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| 00:02.04 | CrazyNorman | I was using firefox, and then everything froze up. Can't switch to virtual console, can't click, but the mouse can still move. I ssh'd in from another machine, and XFree86 was going through 99.9% CPU. |
| 00:02.07 | CrazyNorman | Any ideas what caused this? |
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| 00:02.29 | furrywolf | crazy: X crashed. kill -9 the process and log in again. :) |
| 00:02.39 | Guerin_ | CrazyNorman: things like this happen sometimes |
| 00:02.40 | CrazyNorman | Yes, but any way to figure out what caused it? |
| 00:02.57 | Guerin_ | CrazyNorman: look at the logs |
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| 00:04.25 | Xenguy | furrywolf: it seems to work well on that other OS :-( |
| 00:04.47 | cafuego | neither FF not the flash plugin are stable. |
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| 00:04.57 | cafuego | And the java plugin isn't either. |
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| 00:04.59 | Guerin | Xenguy: flash plugin for linux is a bunch of arse |
| 00:05.01 | Xenguy | riot: stability, yes; interface, no way ;-) |
| 00:05.02 | CrazyNorman | Flash plugin conflicts with KDE sound server |
| 00:05.13 | riot | JAVA... don't talk 'bout Java. GNAAA. |
| 00:05.14 | cafuego | Sane humans do not use KDE. |
| 00:05.16 | Guerin | they're all just dirty hack jobs in the appearance of cross-platform support |
| 00:05.18 | Delph | CrazyNorman: well, your own fault for using KDE./ |
| 00:05.25 | Overfiend | UGH! |
| 00:05.31 | Overfiend | DO NOT kill -9 the X server |
| 00:05.39 | cafuego | Overfiend: Why not? |
| 00:05.40 | Overfiend | not unless you cannot kill it any other way |
| 00:05.41 | riot | Xenguy: Mozilla's interface is by far more logic than FF's.. FF tries to mimic IE.. Thanks, but NO NEED |
| 00:05.44 | gravity | Whoa... surprise face in #debian |
| 00:05.49 | Delph | .oO( whats wrong with kill -9 firefox, anyway ) |
| 00:05.54 | Overfiend | cafuego: because it gobbles up a lot of resources that won't be deallocated otherwise |
| 00:06.03 | cafuego | Overfiend: Never had a problem with it. |
| 00:06.17 | Xenguy | riot: there's no accounting for (my ;-) taste, as they say :-) |
| 00:06.21 | riot | hehe |
| 00:06.41 | cafuego | Unless there is some reason the kernel can't claim back ram used by X, but can for other apps. |
| 00:06.53 | Overfiend | cafuego: you may not have a problem ripping your computer's AC power cord right out of the wall with the machine running all the time either -- that doesn't make it a wise idea (unless it's a laptop, or on a UPS) |
| 00:06.59 | riot | But i for myself see critical operations in firefox are realized far too complicated to be performed well/fast. Like editing cookies. |
| 00:07.05 | Xenguy | riot: anyway, I'm using Moz right now until FF 'ripens' a little more |
| 00:07.12 | Davey | is there any simple, or at least, step-by-step documented way to add IPs to my remote machine (single NIC), with minimal chance of it going offline? :) |
| 00:07.27 | Overfiend | cafuego: look up System V IPC sometime... |
| 00:07.36 | Guerin | minimal force doctrine |
| 00:07.37 | cafuego | Overfiend: That's the only decent way to tyest a journaling FS. |
| 00:07.38 | Xenguy | biab |
| 00:07.42 | cafuego | Overfiend: See 'man ipcs' |
| 00:07.44 | Delph | Davey: bring up eth0:0,1, with another IP. man ifconfig should say how. |
| 00:07.55 | Overfiend | anyway, I was going afk, I'm going |
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| 00:08.04 | cafuego | Overfiend: it's not hard to remove shm and sem |
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| 00:08.10 | Davey | Delph: so I can assign it to an alias, and just bring those up? never taking the regular eth0 down? |
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| 00:08.17 | Delph | Davey: though, saying that, it doesn't actually say =:) |
| 00:08.23 | Guerin | ffs |
| 00:08.24 | Delph | Davey: i think so. |
| 00:08.33 | Guerin | goddamnmotherfucking shitty network here |
| 00:08.41 | Guerin | just drops me every now and then for no reason |
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| 00:09.07 | Delph | Overfiend: at least, killing the X server. You might need to hit firefox with it, but then the X server generally handles the 'my application just died' gracefully. |
| 00:09.09 | cafuego | Guerin: I suggest glueing a large wing to it, might make it speed up too. |
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| 00:09.18 | Davey | Delph: can I put aliases in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:09.28 | Guerin | and it's a static network, where each machine has its own ip... but some other machine took my ip the other day |
| 00:09.37 | Delph | Davey: and at this point i start running the other way |
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| 00:09.45 | Davey | LOL |
| 00:09.49 | Guerin | the network admin has no clue why or which, so I just picked another one at random and am using that |
| 00:10.17 | Davey | thats probably what the other person did to take yours, LOL |
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| 00:10.29 | Davey | now some other poor beggar is going "Who the hell stole my IP!?" |
| 00:10.36 | chope | hi, I'm quite new in linux, and i have this problem, i cannot get to mount the cdrom |
| 00:10.45 | Guerin | Davey: i wonder if that's why I keep getting booted... |
| 00:10.49 | virgomoon | How do I increase the number of loop devices I can mount above 8? |
| 00:10.54 | cafuego | Guerin: undoubtedly |
| 00:10.57 | chope | if i try to mount it from kde it hangs |
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| 00:11.15 | Guerin | cafuego: well, MINE doesn't fucking work, and the admin is stupider than a box of rocks |
| 00:11.19 | jim | chope: what command are you typing into the shell to do the mount? |
| 00:11.28 | cafuego | virgomoon: Either set max_loop=X when you load the module or 9if you have the sme issue I do) recompile the module with a redefined LOOP_MAX |
| 00:11.40 | chope | mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 -r /cdrom |
| 00:11.44 | cafuego | Guerin: I'm a smart admin, buy me a ticket and I'll BOFH your site. |
| 00:11.56 | Guerin | cafuego: hell, if I could speak korean I'D do it |
| 00:12.04 | chope | it starts to hang until I press the eject button on the drive |
| 00:12.05 | Gnea | heh |
| 00:12.16 | cafuego | Guerin: Speaking koreans has nothing to do with assuming command of an out-of-control ship ;-) |
| 00:12.18 | chope | then it says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 00:12.19 | virgomoon | cafuego: This can't be done on the fly then? I've already got 8 mounted to do an iso update and need one more. Is this going to require a restart? |
| 00:12.20 | Guerin | cafuego: but it's a korean win98 network, so it would be more pain than it's worth |
| 00:12.20 | jim | chope: ok has that ever worked? |
| 00:12.23 | chope | or too many mounted file systems |
| 00:12.33 | Gnea | chope: if you type dmesg in another terminal, does it say anyting weird? |
| 00:12.34 | jim | on this machine that is |
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| 00:12.50 | cafuego | virgomoon: *if* the module parms works, you only need to unload and reload the module. |
| 00:13.05 | cafuego | Guerin: Oooh. netbios packet storms? |
| 00:13.13 | virgomoon | cafuego: thank you. This will affect any currently mounted loops, I presume, right? |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | virgomoon: Yes, you'll need to unmount those first |
| 00:13.26 | Guerin | cafuego: probably all sorts of hotrribility. I haven't had the heart to do any snoopery |
| 00:13.28 | chope | dmesg shows everything fine: hdb: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 00:13.31 | virgomoon | cafuego: thank you |
| 00:13.33 | chope | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
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| 00:13.48 | cafuego | Guerin: The way they sued to be dealt with at uni was by disconnecting a cable at the switch :-) |
| 00:13.56 | Gnea | chope: ls -l /dev/cdrom it's properly symlinked to /dev/hdb? |
| 00:13.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:14.00 | chope | The drive has never worked in this install, its a knoppix hd-installation |
| 00:14.02 | jim | chope: ok, so your cdrom is /dev/hdb? |
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| 00:14.08 | chope | it used to work in a mandrake |
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| 00:14.16 | Guerin | chope: talk to #knoppix |
| 00:14.20 | cafuego | Guerin: And when $USER would compalin their network was down, they'd get blasted for being an idiot. |
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| 00:14.28 | jim | btw, is hda your boot drive? |
| 00:14.35 | Guerin | cafuego: heh. Just wait until someone owns up... |
| 00:14.35 | Gnea | Guerin: stir the stick in your ass some more |
| 00:14.45 | Guerin | Gnea: ? |
| 00:14.48 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 00:14.59 | chope | yes, the cdrom is /dev/hdb |
| 00:15.00 | Gnea | Guerin: this is more general than distro-related |
| 00:15.07 | chope | its linked fine |
| 00:15.12 | Guerin | Gnea: so? |
| 00:15.16 | jim | chope: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 00:15.31 | Gnea | chope: are you doing this as user or as root? |
| 00:15.41 | chope | root |
| 00:15.46 | Gnea | ok |
| 00:15.55 | Gnea | what happens if you type this command: eject |
| 00:15.57 | linoleum | hi guys, I got a problem : few month ago, I apt-get upgrade , and debconf asked me if I wanted to move my symlink for cdrom to /media/cdrom ... since this upgrade, if I want to mount my CDrom , I have to create as root : /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 ... the problem is that I need to do that after every reboot... why ?? can you help me, it's boring as hell !! |
| 00:16.01 | Gnea | does it eject? |
| 00:16.06 | rixth | an someone reccomend a good tool to edit ID3 tags? Xmms's built in one is shocking. |
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| 00:16.21 | rixth | If I use Juk's auto tagger, XMMS can't read the lags it puts on |
| 00:16.29 | chope | eject, ejects the drive fine |
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| 00:16.37 | Gnea | ok |
| 00:16.38 | Gnea | and now |
| 00:16.40 | Gnea | eject -t |
| 00:16.42 | Gnea | does it close? |
| 00:16.46 | drac | rixth: apt-get remove --purge xmmd && apt-get install beep-media-player ;) |
| 00:16.46 | rixth | linoleum, edit /etc/fstab |
| 00:16.46 | chope | eject |
| 00:16.56 | soyuz | anyone having problems nmbd? |
| 00:16.58 | drac | s/xmmd/xmms/g |
| 00:17.01 | chope | yes it closes |
| 00:17.04 | jim | so that means what, that /dev/cdrom correctly identifies the drive? |
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| 00:17.08 | Guerin | drac: does beep have the wealth of input plugins xmms has, yet? |
| 00:17.12 | Gnea | alright that's good |
| 00:17.17 | rixth | drac, :) heh, apart from the tagger, I really like it |
| 00:17.26 | jim | soyuz: /msg dpkg ask /msg dpkg sicco |
| 00:17.33 | Guerin | last I used it, it was buggy as a bastard, used ugly-as-hell gnome browse dialogues and had fuckall plugins |
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| 00:17.34 | Gnea | chope: do you have a line in /etc/fstab for the cdrom? |
| 00:17.38 | riot | drac: I'd rather recommend mpd.. but that is just for playing music, maybe some playlist management. |
| 00:17.39 | friendship | fda |
| 00:17.40 | rixth | Just that I have about 100 untagged song so Xmms too is horrible. |
| 00:17.49 | drac | Guerin: nah, true, it doesn't have all those fancy outputs yet ;) |
| 00:17.54 | drac | hrm plugins |
| 00:17.55 | Guerin | use cplay |
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| 00:18.03 | riot | mpd rocks. Best mp3-player i could find so far. (apart from maybe mpeg123) |
| 00:18.06 | chope | yes |
| 00:18.13 | jim | chope, why is there a -r in the line you use to mount? |
| 00:18.18 | Guerin | cplay plays anything you can decode to wave |
| 00:18.22 | Guerin | it's good shit |
| 00:18.29 | Gnea | chope: what is it set to? |
| 00:18.31 | soyuz | gee, thanks jim. that was right on! very informative. |
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| 00:18.33 | cjfp | any way to make acroread 7.0 not use the multi-document interface? |
| 00:18.35 | Gnea | chope: IOW, what's the line? |
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| 00:18.37 | chope | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:18.42 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:18.47 | Guerin | !htfswk cjfp |
| 00:18.47 | riot | Guerin: does it play streams? |
| 00:18.47 | Gnea | that looks right |
| 00:18.47 | dpkg | cjfp: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 00:18.48 | kanzure | How can I get the size of my partition in MB format? |
| 00:18.55 | jim | soyuz: oh goody! now it's your turn |
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| 00:18.59 | Gnea | chope: try just this command: mount /cdrom |
| 00:19.04 | soyuz | jim: :) |
| 00:19.07 | chope | its the same |
| 00:19.11 | Guerin | riot: it plays via shell escapes, so if your chosen backend can play streams, it can. |
| 00:19.14 | Gnea | same cd? |
| 00:19.17 | Gnea | or with any cd? |
| 00:19.17 | cjfp | Guerin: because it's in marillat or whatever |
| 00:19.29 | Guerin | cjfp: so? |
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| 00:20.10 | riot | hmm. still i strongly advise checking out mpd. Its client/server controlled. Veeery handy. |
| 00:20.14 | soyuz | jim: would you like me to be more specific? like nmdb hangs like a dirty shirt and freezes out any process that tries to look at it? |
| 00:20.14 | chope | mount /cdrom also hangs the console until I press eject on the drive |
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| 00:20.18 | cjfp | Guerin: well, smartass, this is a debian channel, and marillat is an unofficial debian repository |
| 00:20.19 | jim | soyuz: the channel is too big for surveys... if you're having a problem, say what it is, don't waste time or space, be INFORMATIVE, someone who thinks they can help and wants to, will |
| 00:20.27 | cjfp | i figured somebody might know. jeez... |
| 00:20.46 | Gnea | chope: right you said that already - what i'm asking is does this happen with the same _CD_ itself or with ANY cd that you toss into the drive? |
| 00:20.48 | soyuz | jim: yeah, yeah, yeah. ok. yeesh |
| 00:21.06 | aum | hi, when X kb mapping is set to dvorak, alt key combos don't work - any ideas? |
| 00:21.12 | cafuego | kanzure: df -h |
| 00:21.16 | jim | soyuz: sorry... but hey, you do want high-quality answers, right? :) |
| 00:21.21 | chope | with any cd |
| 00:21.33 | Gnea | chope: what kernel again? |
| 00:21.45 | resiak | aum: Alt key combos in what sense? |
| 00:22.28 | chope | vmlinuz-2.6.11 |
| 00:22.42 | soyuz | jim: akshully, I was looking to see if anyone *was* having nmdb issues. mostly because I haven't come across anything google-wise, and this is something that has cropped up recently (with an install that has been running quite nicely for some three years) |
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| 00:22.52 | Gnea | that you compiled or apt-get install a kernel-image? |
| 00:23.15 | aum | resiak: alt-f for 'File' for instance |
| 00:23.16 | chope | I installed it from the knoppix live cd |
| 00:23.23 | Gnea | aaaaaaaaah |
| 00:23.25 | Gnea | ok |
| 00:23.43 | Gnea | chope: well with all that we just went over, you definately need to take it to #knoppix |
| 00:23.44 | soyuz | jim: and a smb.conf that has been faithful to me for about five years! |
| 00:23.59 | jim | soyuz: so what has changed? |
| 00:24.10 | chope | ok, but the thing is that after you install it to hd, it turns into a debian |
| 00:25.00 | Gnea | chope: but you're using a knoppix kernel |
| 00:25.00 | Gnea | and that's what matters |
| 00:25.00 | jim | other than the fact you're having the problem (you said something about it a minute ago?) |
| 00:25.01 | Gnea | once it's on the hd |
| 00:25.01 | Gnea | it's still a knoppix-generated |
| 00:25.01 | chope | ok many thanks |
| 00:25.01 | Gnea | it's not woody or sarge or sid |
| 00:25.02 | chope | ill try there |
| 00:25.07 | Gnea | that why it makes the distinction |
| 00:25.09 | soyuz | jim: what has changed is that every so often now, nmdb stops responding, refuses to be killed and generally brings the machine to a grinding slow death |
| 00:25.09 | Gnea | good luck |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | Gnea: you need to be around when all the E people show up :) |
| 00:25.23 | chope | but if i wanted to install a debian kernel, should i apt-get it? |
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| 00:25.28 | Gnea | abrotman: lol wanna pay me? ;0 |
| 00:25.30 | Gnea | ;) |
| 00:25.34 | resiak | aum: Actually, that works fine for me. Are you sure you're not pressing Alt-U (which would be Alt-F if the qwerty keymap was in use)? |
| 00:25.39 | soyuz | jim: and really, nothing has changed...! |
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| 00:25.42 | resiak | chope: An installed Knoppix is still Knoppix. |
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| 00:25.49 | abrotman | Gnea: "Hi .. I'm compiling E17 cvs .. and it barfs . HELLPPPE ME !!?!" |
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| 00:26.02 | jim | chope: maybe /boot/config-* has info about your kernel |
| 00:26.03 | kanzure | How can I check where my swap is located? |
| 00:26.05 | Gnea | abrotman: /join #e :) |
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| 00:26.13 | abrotman | Gnea: they were all sleeping i guess |
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| 00:26.19 | Gnea | abrotman: and let them roll 'em along |
| 00:26.23 | Gnea | ah |
| 00:26.24 | Gnea | nothing new |
| 00:26.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:26.26 | jim | kanzure: look in /etc/fstab |
| 00:26.36 | kanzure | nothin |
| 00:26.43 | resiak | aum: Did I guess right? |
| 00:26.57 | kanzure | jim: nope |
| 00:27.00 | aum | resiak: left alt works, right alt doesn't |
| 00:27.24 | jim | then you don't have swap, or you manually added it, or there is a swap and it's being turned on by some other mechanism |
| 00:27.29 | resiak | aum: Right Alt is normally AltGr or ISO_Level_3 for both QWERTY and Dvorak, so doesn't work in either case for me. |
| 00:27.33 | chope | jim: it says version 2.6.11, date, and then a lot of variables which i dont know what they are |
| 00:27.37 | LinuxMafia | guys gentoo is better of debian? |
| 00:27.39 | kanzure | jim: I did "swapon" once. Did that do it? |
| 00:27.42 | mediovia | Hello. So, I've got a kernel which panics on boot, I found the following (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=124571) and sure enough it boots if I use the vdso=0 command line parameter |
| 00:27.51 | jim | kanzure: could be. try free |
| 00:27.54 | resiak | LinuxMafia: What the fuck do you expect the answer to that to be on a Debian channel? |
| 00:28.18 | mediovia | I'm wondering what libraries I should update in Debian, which are generally around 6 months old? |
| 00:28.32 | LinuxMafia | resiak: because i heared gentoo and debian are mixed |
| 00:28.35 | soyuz | jim: the problem has gotten so bad that I have to give it the freakin ONE-FINGER salute -- OUCH! |
| 00:28.36 | aum | resiak: right alt works for me in qwerty |
| 00:28.43 | mediovia | I tried libc6, but that made no difference |
| 00:28.43 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: dude! i heard you got the best crack in town! can you hook me up?>! |
| 00:29.01 | jim | soyuz: logs don't show anything useful? |
| 00:29.11 | resiak | aum: My right Alt works for me, but doesn't do the same thing as my left Alt. I don't want it to, so I have no idea how to change that behavior. |
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| 00:29.23 | soyuz | jim: nmd.log show normal activity |
| 00:29.44 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: one thing i can say , gentoo users are the nicest ppl , not like You fucking guys with attitude |
| 00:29.51 | resiak | LinuxMafia: Debian and Gentoo are about as mixed as Red Hat and Lindows^H^H^H^Hspire. |
| 00:29.58 | cjfp | LinuxMafia: no kidding |
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| 00:30.03 | ecfx | !start distro war |
| 00:30.09 | ecfx | !start a distro war |
| 00:30.10 | dpkg | Rock rox0rz! |
| 00:30.12 | ecfx | lol |
| 00:30.16 | ecfx | What is rock? |
| 00:30.16 | LinuxMafia | :P |
| 00:30.24 | Xenguy | rock? |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | ecfx: rock linux |
| 00:30.26 | jim | soyuz: what if you were to disconnect the box from the net for a time? |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:30.30 | ecfx | lol |
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| 00:30.32 | ecfx | Is that common? |
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| 00:30.39 | ecfx | !start a distro war |
| 00:30.40 | dpkg | Gentoo rox0rz! |
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| 00:30.56 | jim | soyuz: might be a good test to see if the problem is triggered from something outside |
| 00:31.00 | adobbie | rox0rz your mom maybe |
| 00:31.08 | aum | LinuxMafia: there's a bit of attitude here sometimes |
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| 00:31.16 | LinuxMafia | but i like any linux does not matter what , i hope all of us be nice to each other , no matter the distro , as long as it is linux :P |
| 00:31.19 | soyuz | jim: nmb.log gets rotated normally in the morning... but I noticed today that it was about 48 hours (exactly more or less) that nmb hung again |
| 00:31.24 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: you're the one that walked in with the attitude, so... |
| 00:31.32 | LinuxMafia | aum: You Are right |
| 00:31.33 | kristiank | just installed a sarge ; I am French, I want azerty kbd, I only get qwerty. How to do ? locales are OK, XF86config-4 is OK.... |
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| 00:31.52 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: we didn't have a problem the past half hour till you came in and started talking that shit |
| 00:31.52 | drac | kristiank: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:31.52 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: no i just want to hear the opinions of differnet ppl |
| 00:31.55 | soyuz | jim: it's probably that crummy w2k box spewing shit. |
| 00:32.05 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: that's fine |
| 00:32.26 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.38 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: l am using gentoo , but i should know what other ppl say about gentoo |
| 00:32.46 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: and what they think |
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| 00:32.51 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: i'll tell you what i think about gentoo :) |
| 00:32.54 | jim | LinuxMafia: this is a big place... people are expected to progress so they don't ask the same thing day after day... |
| 00:33.11 | aum | i've asked reasonable questions here sometimes and gotten my head bitten off |
| 00:33.21 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: i will be happy to hear your opinion |
| 00:33.42 | kristiank | drac: thanks, I try right now |
| 00:33.43 | pngwn | aum, seems like your head is still attached ;) |
| 00:34.13 | LinuxMafia | jim: You Are right , but i want to know all good things and bad things about my distro from different point of view |
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| 00:34.35 | myra-bsu | Good evening all |
| 00:34.38 | aum | luckily debian is so well organised that i seldom need help |
| 00:35.08 | soyuz | jim: usually the first sign that there is a problem is when I issue a "ps xa" at console, the console hangs. nothing gets it out of this spooky mode. so... I'm going to keep on watching and ONE-FINGER saluting (OUCH!) until I solve the freakin issue. |
| 00:35.32 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: I think that gentoo is a very good conceptual idea in the idea that everything is compiled for the system. I think it's cool. I think it's flawed for the same reason. I like debian because it has a fast and relatively bug-free package management system. i think it's flawed since the binaries that the packages generally contain are too generalized to not a specific platform like I'd like a i686 set of binaries instead of the standard 386. |
| 00:35.32 | LinuxMafia | jim: if You look at the numbers , gentoo has most users , and next one is debian, freebsd got even less than fedora , i wonder why |
| 00:35.44 | myra-bsu | This might be a bit OT but I was wondering if there is a command i can enter into my command prompt to see what distro of linux a server is running |
| 00:35.45 | cjfp | any non-acroread pdf viewer out there that displays http://www.sable.mcgill.ca/publications/techreports/2004-7/sanjabi-04-algorithmic-TR.pdf properly? |
| 00:36.12 | cjfp | i tried xpdf, kpdf, gdpf |
| 00:36.13 | soyuz | jim: the wierdness of it all, nothing kills the offending process, except a powercycle. |
| 00:36.15 | LinuxMafia | Gnea: thanks so much |
| 00:36.23 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: but as far as how nice people are, i'd have to say that both sides of the fence have nearly equally proportioned amounts of cool people and idiots. |
| 00:36.34 | jim | LinuxMafia: I see gentoo as a reaction to debian's not having a port to every member of the cpu family, when tests reveal that compiling everything optimized for a particular cpu doesn't help much; only a very small number of programs benefit from being optimized for a particular cpu |
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| 00:37.46 | jim | soyuz: so was this win2k box added recently or always been there? |
| 00:37.56 | Gnea | jim: that's a fair analysis, but even the tiniest amounts can make a really massive difference |
| 00:38.02 | LinuxMafia | jim: is there an easy way to compie some package with let's say java support , (gentoo has USE flag what does debian..)? |
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| 00:38.15 | LinuxMafia | s/compile/compile |
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| 00:38.21 | soyuz | jim: the w2k box has been on the net for about 18 months |
| 00:38.33 | jim | LinuxMafia: why would something need java support? |
| 00:38.40 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: the issue there goes back to the way that each distro is oriented - gentoo doesn't care what it gets while debian wishes to remain free. |
| 00:38.57 | LinuxMafia | jim: for example mplayer needs network support , just as an example |
| 00:39.07 | soyuz | jim: but, then again, MS keeps "updating" -- so the issue may be involved with a MS Windows Update |
| 00:39.11 | jim | define the context here; I won't be able to understand well enough to express an opinion otherwise |
| 00:39.23 | LinuxMafia | gravity: LouGh OuT LauD sorry , i leave |
| 00:39.37 | jim | soyuz: aha, that could be the change |
| 00:39.44 | Gnea | LinuxMafia: the example you're stating regarding mplayer goes back to that concept |
| 00:39.44 | LinuxMafia | thanks guys |
| 00:39.55 | Gnea | not a problem |
| 00:39.58 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:40.04 | LinuxMafia | have a good one guys |
| 00:40.05 | kristiank | drac: just rebooted, still qwerty! |
| 00:40.08 | LinuxMafia | take care bye |
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| 00:40.12 | cafuego | And take your lack of spelling ability with you |
| 00:40.19 | Gnea | lol |
| 00:40.26 | gravity | Just what we need. More gentoo trolls. |
| 00:40.43 | Gnea | ok ok |
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| 00:40.45 | soyuz | jim: hmmm... might be worthwhile to accidently-on-purpose wipe the disk and re-install. unfortunately it would have to stay w2k |
| 00:40.47 | Gnea | go back to your bingo games |
| 00:40.57 | davem | Do ati binary drivers work on ppc? |
| 00:41.01 | jim | BINGO! |
| 00:41.04 | jim | yay! |
| 00:41.08 | Gnea | WAS HIS NAME-OH! |
| 00:41.23 | drac | kristiank: damn. then, no idea. out of my league :/ |
| 00:41.23 | Starfire | okay new question.... i installed apm, but now when i try to either use or suspend my laptop i get a "no APM support in kernel" am i SOL and just cant use APM? |
| 00:41.28 | drac | davem: no. |
| 00:41.29 | cafuego | Gnea: it's amazing how many first time linux users try to convice me of the advantage of using 200 GCC flags. |
| 00:41.31 | Gnea | so next time linuxmafia comes in here |
| 00:41.33 | Gnea | just say |
| 00:41.36 | furrywolf | "The source code on this website may damage your hardware." lol! |
| 00:41.37 | Gnea | "wattup dog?" |
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| 00:41.46 | drac | davem: and there is #ati |
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| 00:41.54 | Gnea | cafuego: hehehe |
| 00:42.03 | jim | soyuz: would it make sense to have the linux box ignore the win box for awhile? |
| 00:42.15 | jim | in order to test that is |
| 00:42.22 | rixth | In XMMS, it displays the wrong tags. The tag in the playlist will say 01_Lust_For_Life.mp3 but if I right click on the file and go "File Info" I see all the information, Track, Album, Artist |
| 00:42.26 | rixth | Any iudeas? |
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| 00:42.41 | cafuego | Gnea: My resposne is: I'm sure I would have noticed after 9 years if there was an ACTUAL advantage, rather than an IMAGINARY one. |
| 00:42.46 | axelxxx | i can't start my app.with wine! still get the message Can't open display |
| 00:42.49 | soyuz | jim: unfortunately (or fortunately) "My Documents" is a shared folder on the Debian machine, so not a real option |
| 00:42.49 | Gnea | rixth: wrong tags? do you know what id3 tags are? |
| 00:43.02 | rixth | Gnea, no actually, I do not. |
| 00:43.03 | axelxxx | what shall i do? |
| 00:43.23 | rixth | orafu, I do kinda, but i know nothing technical about them. |
| 00:43.28 | Gnea | rixth: what you see in file info are the id3 tags that are part of the file, not the filename |
| 00:43.47 | Gnea | rixth: if the mp3 doesn't have tags then it's just going to show up as the filename |
| 00:43.52 | kristiank | somebody can help me with my qwerty/azerty problem on a sarge ? |
| 00:43.54 | rixth | Gnea, yes, I know that. But why isn't XMMS displaying the id3 tags? |
| 00:43.57 | mtnman | rixth: i don't remember the exact method, but you can configure what is displayed by xmms. |
| 00:44.05 | Gnea | rixth: because it doesn't have them |
| 00:44.09 | axelxxx | how can i fix it?? |
| 00:44.14 | Gnea | as i just stated |
| 00:44.21 | axelxxx | i have 3 hours left... |
| 00:44.23 | rixth | But it onlt does it for SOME. Gnea, yes it does, I tagged them myself. |
| 00:44.29 | Phu_Bhar | Hi all, can someone please tell me how to make a bootable CD from an ISO image? I'll be using K3b as the burner. |
| 00:44.29 | Gnea | axelxxx: install windows! :D |
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| 00:44.46 | abrotman | Phu_Bhar: is the iso bootable? |
| 00:44.46 | Gnea | rixth: check what version you used |
| 00:44.50 | soyuz | Gnea: ooo, that's mean |
| 00:44.51 | rixth | Of XMMS? |
| 00:44.52 | axelxxx | thanx :)) |
| 00:44.57 | Gnea | rixth: there are a few versions of id3 last i checked |
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| 00:45.23 | Gnea | soyuz: in 3 hours that's going to solve it the fastest |
| 00:45.25 | _P_e_D_r_0_ | Alguem pode me ajudar ????????? |
| 00:45.32 | Gnea | uh |
| 00:45.32 | Phu_Bhar | abrotman: I think so - it's the new demudi distro |
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| 00:45.35 | rixth | I used mp3info to tagg the artist, album and year in one go, then used Xmms's tool to tag the tracks |
| 00:45.35 | jim | !es |
| 00:45.35 | jamie^ | rixth: I noticed that sometimes xmms doesn't show the id3 tags until you actually play the file.. |
| 00:45.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:45.50 | soyuz | Gnea: heh. |
| 00:45.52 | Gnea | !br |
| 00:45.52 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:46.02 | rixth | jamie^, I thought that too, but it doesn't. |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | Phu_Bhar: wrong channel |
| 00:46.33 | rixth | Totem displays the tags fine |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | Phu_Bhar: ask #kde how to make k3b burn an iso .. or man cdrecord |
| 00:46.45 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 00:47.06 | Gnea | lie low |
| 00:47.30 | Xenguy | heh |
| 00:47.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:47.38 | Phu_Bhar | abrotman: sorry, i'm just not very technical. I'll try #kde |
| 00:47.44 | rixth | I guess I'm gonna move to a new media player. Can anyone reccoemnd a good one? |
| 00:48.01 | Xenguy | Gnea: multiple pun quotient =) |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | Phu_Bhar: i honestly don't know how to use k3b .. but if you google `cdrecord ISO` .. should get a result quickly |
| 00:48.13 | soyuz | jim: thanks for your responses -- let's see what happens. I hope Bill-fucking-Gates didn't break my network. |
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| 00:48.19 | soyuz | goodnight people |
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| 00:48.55 | Phu_Bhar | abrotman: thanx again, 'bye now |
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| 00:49.26 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:50.42 | rixth | Since XMMS's tag reading system is faulty (In my opinion) I'm going to move to another application. I use Gnome, can someone reccomend a good alternative?\ |
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| 00:51.02 | toresbe | rixth: I love Rhythmbox |
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| 00:51.29 | rixth | toresbe, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 00:51.38 | toresbe | rixth: It comes with Gnome |
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| 00:53.24 | Gnea | heh it's got DI |
| 00:53.37 | kristiank | somebody can help me with my qwerty/azerty problem on a sarge ? |
| 00:53.51 | Gnea | no |
| 00:53.55 | jim | kristiank: only if you say what it is :P |
| 00:53.58 | Gnea | !tell kristiank about ask |
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| 00:54.29 | kristiank | as far as I can see, XF86config-4 OK, locales OK, console-data OK ! |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | rixth: there is rythmbox and zinf .. and totem .. |
| 00:54.49 | phyrophreak | how do I map my drives by OS, I want to see wich partition I have debian on |
| 00:54.55 | jim | what are the symptoms of the problem? |
| 00:55.02 | Gnea | zinf, that's what i was thinking of |
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| 00:55.16 | kristiank | I just installed a sarge right now, but impossible to get an azerty kb in terminals ! |
| 00:55.26 | kristiank | can you help ? |
| 00:55.27 | pipeline | kristiank: loadkeys |
| 00:55.39 | jim | phyrophreak: I usually mount each partition and see what's on it |
| 00:55.47 | rixth | Rythmbox is not pretty, but it looks powerful |
| 00:56.06 | kristiank | pipeline: is ti differnt than what "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" does ? |
| 00:56.08 | phyrophreak | jim: I cant just type like mapos |
| 00:56.09 | pipeline | kristiank: Look for a keymap in /usr/share/keymaps/i386 that you like |
| 00:56.15 | Gnea | yeah, rythmbox has some nice category features |
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| 00:56.25 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:56.25 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 00:56.44 | pipeline | kristiank: The keymap is only loaded at boot unless you run loadkeys |
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| 00:56.53 | rixth | Is there anyway in rythmbox to find out how many hours of music you have? |
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| 00:56.59 | phyrophreak | jim: or is there a command to find what partition I am in running in right now? |
| 00:57.00 | pipeline | rixth: It says at the bottom. |
| 00:57.11 | Gnea | rixth: dunno my list is still loading :) |
| 00:57.29 | jim | phyrophreak: df? mount? |
| 00:57.47 | phyrophreak | alright |
| 00:57.49 | jim | cat /etc/fstab? |
| 00:57.54 | rixth | Gnea, so it mine ^_^ The tags come up properly now too, I'm solg! |
| 00:57.56 | rixth | sold* |
| 00:58.05 | pipeline | kristiank: What areas of the world use AZERTY, anyway? |
| 00:58.07 | Gnea | yeah i'm diggin' this |
| 00:58.22 | sparr_ | how can i "reset" aptitude so it shows the current state of my system, with no 'to be installed' or 'to be deleted' packages? |
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| 00:58.40 | rixth | 5 days, 16 hours and 30 minutes ^_^ |
| 00:58.50 | quicoju | need help with dpkg segmentation fault |
| 00:58.55 | kristiank | French from France. Usually it is not a problem... first time I get this problem. |
| 00:59.05 | Gnea | !tell quicoju about ask |
| 00:59.29 | quicoju | when i run aptitude or apt-get i get this error |
| 00:59.31 | linoleum | hello , I got a problem : my computer is connecter to a router netgers, with ethernet . the probleme is that if I want internet, I have to do as root : dhclient after every boot... is there a package that lauche a daemon automaticaly to activate the ethernet dhc connection?? |
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| 00:59.43 | jim | quicoju: /msg dpjg sicco |
| 00:59.50 | jim | err |
| 00:59.55 | jim | quicoju: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 00:59.58 | rixth | I have one issue. Is there no plugin to allow control from a keyboard? |
| 01:00.04 | quicoju | ok |
| 01:00.06 | kristiank | Sorry, I am not expert : I must precise I just rebooted after dpkg reconfgure... |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | rixth: for which? |
| 01:00.24 | Gnea | linoleum: there is, lemme find |
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| 01:00.42 | jim | quicoju: your ram good? |
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| 01:00.48 | linoleum | Gnea, cool tkx |
| 01:00.49 | rixth | rhythmbox |
| 01:01.11 | Gnea | one thing i'm noticing about rhythmbox |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | rixth: hrm . try zinf? |
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| 01:01.54 | rixth | abrotman, is that packaged? |
| 01:02.08 | Gnea | is that it doesn't allow changing the DSP device |
| 01:02.13 | Gnea | or any ALSA support for that matter |
| 01:02.20 | Gnea | not easily at any rate |
| 01:02.26 | rixth | Indeed it is |
| 01:02.36 | Gnea | unless i'm missing it... |
| 01:02.49 | rixth | The keyboard control is a pretty big thing to me |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | rixth: yes |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | Gnea: gstreamer-alsa |
| 01:03.27 | Gnea | what? |
| 01:03.33 | abrotman | !stutter |
| 01:03.37 | Gnea | no, it should be built into the client |
| 01:03.51 | pipeline | Gnea: You might as well cut to the chase and just install gstreamer0.8-plugins |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | Gnea: i bet rhythmbox uses gstreamer backend .. so install gstreamer-alsa |
| 01:04.06 | quicoju | i get this error running dpkg (Reading database ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. suggestions? |
| 01:04.10 | kristiank | well, thanks a lot. I prefer waiting till tomorrow to try to understand |
| 01:04.17 | pipeline | abrotman: rhythmbox uses gstreamer 0.8, not 0.6 |
| 01:04.25 | jim | quicoju: why does it do that? |
| 01:04.27 | pipeline | quicoju: That's BAD |
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| 01:04.50 | pipeline | quicoju: If dpkg is segfaulting, that means either you've damaged fundamental system libraries or you have faulty hardware. |
| 01:04.51 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 01:05.15 | quicoju | i really don't know i always use apt-get for installing packages |
| 01:05.15 | pipeline | quicoju: The usual suspects: Are you using ReiserFS? Are you overclocking? Did you try to mix multiple distributions? |
| 01:05.26 | quicoju | yes |
| 01:05.41 | quicoju | testing and unestable |
| 01:05.44 | Gnea | but still |
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| 01:05.44 | jim | quicoju: to what? /msg dpkg sicco |
| 01:05.49 | Gnea | xmms has a lower system impact |
| 01:05.54 | Gnea | ÀÄ[~ ¯ ldd /usr/bin/xmms | wc -l |
| 01:05.57 | Gnea | 16 |
| 01:05.57 | jim | that should be ok |
| 01:05.59 | Gnea | ÀÄ[~ ¯ ldd /usr/bin/rhythmbox | wc -l |
| 01:06.00 | Gnea | 58 |
| 01:06.06 | NeoBREED | hi everyone |
| 01:06.09 | NeoBREED | first timer here |
| 01:06.20 | abrotman | Gnea: please tell me you're not surprised :) |
| 01:06.21 | quicoju | wanted to use rox |
| 01:06.21 | NeoBREED | first time using Xchat |
| 01:06.31 | NeoBREED | man... things are strange with linux |
| 01:06.35 | rox | quicoju: you can try, if you'r female |
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| 01:06.45 | Gnea | wtf |
| 01:06.48 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:06.49 | jim | NeoBREED: welcome... you might want to check out /help newusers |
| 01:06.54 | toresbe | NeoBREED: you get used to it (and love it) |
| 01:07.00 | NeoBREED | :) |
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| 01:07.03 | NeoBREED | thanks |
| 01:07.10 | NeoBREED | I will do that first |
| 01:07.20 | toresbe | NeoBREED: There's a reason for all the differences |
| 01:07.41 | Delph | toresbe: even if it's only copyright. |
| 01:07.48 | NeoBREED | yeah |
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| 01:07.55 | NeoBREED | I like it better than windows |
| 01:08.00 | rixth | abrotman, I'm not seeing any keyboard support in Zinf either. Oh well, guess I'm gonna have to get over it. |
| 01:08.00 | NeoBREED | that's clicheish tho |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | rixth: are you sure? |
| 01:08.10 | jim | true |
| 01:08.15 | NeoBREED | I'm trying to get it to work on my ThinkPad600 |
| 01:08.21 | Gnea | ok gstreamer sucks, there isn't a package that simply explains what it is |
| 01:08.21 | NeoBREED | Knoppix install thing |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | rixth: i know rhythmbox has keyboard controls |
| 01:08.34 | NeoBREED | just some problems I was wondering if anyone care to help |
| 01:08.34 | toresbe | Gnea: gstreamer *rocks* |
| 01:08.40 | toresbe | Gnea: but it isn't mature yet |
| 01:08.44 | toresbe | !knoppix |
| 01:08.45 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 01:08.45 | NeoBREED | I got issues with the USB and sound card |
| 01:08.52 | rixth | abrotman, yeah, it's possible I missed it though. In XMMS I used the keybaord plugin for Logitech's iTouch and customized it for my wireless Belkin |
| 01:08.52 | Gnea | toresbe: if it doesn't explain itself then it's crap, plain and simple. |
| 01:08.56 | toresbe | NeoBREED: We're sort of touchy about that ;) |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | rixth: possible your WM keymaps are overriding the hot keys |
| 01:09.00 | dondelelcaro | NeoBREED: try asking in #knoppix |
| 01:09.08 | rixth | WM keymaps? |
| 01:09.14 | jim | NeoBREED: most of us don't know knoppix |
| 01:09.15 | toresbe | Gnea: no, then the package maintainer has possibly made a whoops. |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | window manager |
| 01:09.19 | NeoBREED | well... I installed it onto HD so that makes it a Debian isn't it? |
| 01:09.23 | toresbe | Gnea: then google. |
| 01:09.26 | jim | no |
| 01:09.30 | quicoju | i tried was mixing testing and unstable can i recover dpkg? |
| 01:09.30 | Gnea | W: Unable to locate package gstreamer |
| 01:09.30 | Gnea | e: No packages found |
| 01:09.36 | toresbe | Gnea: speaking as a programmer, gstreamer is extremely exciting |
| 01:09.37 | jim | it's still knoppix |
| 01:09.42 | toresbe | Gnea: apt-cache search gstreamer, dimwit |
| 01:09.47 | Gnea | i did that |
| 01:09.54 | Gnea | and not one can explain what it is or what it does |
| 01:10.01 | Gnea | "just use it" |
| 01:10.05 | Gnea | fuck that, i need a reason |
| 01:10.07 | abrotman | Gnea: gstreamer-alsa or whatever it is |
| 01:10.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:10.26 | rixth | abrotman, how could I map f1....f6 to control it? (or anyone else :) ) |
| 01:10.40 | toresbe | apt-cache show libgstreamer0.6-0 |
| 01:10.42 | abrotman | rixth: to it? |
| 01:11.04 | kaimis | lolz |
| 01:11.04 | resiak | NeoBREED: No, it doesn't. |
| 01:11.11 | NeoBREED | I see |
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| 01:11.35 | green_earz | NeoBREED: have you used the net installer for debain sarge yet, if not check out the link fornetinst CD image > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:11.37 | rixth | To control rhythmbox |
| 01:11.44 | NeoBREED | in term of sound car set up and usb stuff... there's only one universal way of fixing it isnt it? |
| 01:11.45 | jim | NeoBREED: there is #knoppix here |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | rixth: isn't there a Control menu on yours? |
| 01:12.02 | green_earz | NeoBREED: for netinst |
| 01:12.07 | Delph | NeoBREED: look, you started off with knoppix. Ask people who know about it, not us. |
| 01:12.11 | toresbe | NeoBREED: also, you might want to check out Ubuntu, as an easy-to-install Debian, with a sane set of base packages for a desktop user |
| 01:12.38 | rixth | abrotman, yes, but with XMMS, I could control it even when it wasn't in focus |
| 01:12.40 | jim | one universal way? no; of course there is more than one way to do most things |
| 01:12.40 | abrotman | toresbe: stop advocating that crap |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | !d-i NeoBREED |
| 01:12.44 | dpkg | NeoBREED, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:12.54 | toresbe | NeoBREED: It is Debian-derived, like Knoppix, but is intended to be installed. |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | rixth: uhm .. apparently you've done some weird stuff to xmms :) |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | toresbe: stop advocating that crap |
| 01:13.28 | toresbe | abrotman: why do you think it's crap? |
| 01:13.31 | NeoBREED | I tried to install Debian |
| 01:13.36 | NeoBREED | but it was so hard to get it to work |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | toresbe: it's just bad :) |
| 01:13.45 | rixth | I used the iTouch plugin and customized the keys (using the plugin-prefs dialog box) |
| 01:13.47 | gravity | NeoBREED: You probably tried the older installer |
| 01:13.48 | NeoBREED | I couldn't get it to see the network card |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | NeoBREED: no it's not .. i did it from two floppies today |
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| 01:13.51 | NeoBREED | perhaps |
| 01:13.55 | NeoBREED | yeah??? |
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| 01:14.15 | green_earz | NeoBREED: was it sarge or woody you tryd to install ? |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | and .. that's a big no |
| 01:14.21 | NeoBREED | woody |
| 01:14.28 | rixth | abrotman, I mapped it from Gnome, Applications->Desktop Prefs->Keyboard Shortcuts, problem solved! |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | !d-i NeoBREED |
| 01:14.28 | quicoju | any source for cosulting reasons and solutions for dpkg segfaults? |
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| 01:14.30 | dpkg | NeoBREED, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | rixth: ah . ok |
| 01:14.41 | jim | NeoBREED: you start with these floppies, you get the networking set up, once that's done, it downloads the rest of itself and starts going |
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| 01:14.46 | gravity | NeoBREED: You definitely need to try installing sarge |
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| 01:15.00 | green_earz | NeoBREED: things have change a lot from woody to sarge with the installer, all for the better |
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| 01:15.16 | rixth | green_earz, not that much better |
| 01:15.20 | NeoBREED | I see |
| 01:15.21 | NeoBREED | the thing is |
| 01:15.22 | jim | quicoju: first rule out problesm with your hardware |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | no things! |
| 01:15.27 | NeoBREED | I don't have a floppy |
| 01:15.31 | NeoBREED | only cdrom |
| 01:15.36 | NeoBREED | makes thngs harder |
| 01:15.42 | rogue5 | get a flash drive |
| 01:15.44 | jim | well, then you can get netinst cd |
| 01:15.47 | abrotman | only cdrom makes it harder? |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | !d-i NeoBREED |
| 01:15.54 | dpkg | NeoBREED, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:15.54 | gravity | cdrom is easiest of all! |
| 01:15.58 | jim | no writer? |
| 01:16.01 | gravity | man, kids these days |
| 01:16.15 | NeoBREED | I'm sorry LOL |
| 01:16.23 | NeoBREED | man this is a very intimidating place |
| 01:16.30 | toresbe | NeoBREED: it is. |
| 01:16.35 | NeoBREED | darn it... all I want is to have a simple debian system |
| 01:16.36 | NeoBREED | LOL |
| 01:16.36 | jim | NeoBREED: it can be yes |
| 01:16.39 | NeoBREED | I hate redhat |
| 01:16.40 | quicoju | jim: you mean hardware for memory or any hardware? |
| 01:16.42 | NeoBREED | I hate KDE |
| 01:16.51 | NeoBREED | I hate anything that looks like freakin' windows |
| 01:16.57 | jim | quicoju: yes and yes :) |
| 01:16.59 | rixth | KDE = Krap Dipped in Excrement |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | NeoBREED: so use the netinst image .. and you get debian and then install gnome .. and then world hunger is solved :) |
| 01:17.05 | gravity | NeoBREED: Just check out the URL about the installer above. Read up, give it a try, and then come back when you have more questions |
| 01:17.10 | toresbe | rixth: real mature. |
| 01:17.11 | NeoBREED | I like fluxbox |
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| 01:17.22 | NeoBREED | yeah |
| 01:17.22 | Gnea | rixth: very good analogy |
| 01:17.28 | gravity | rixth: Code something better |
| 01:17.29 | rixth | toresbe, heh, yeah :) just being silly. I don't mind it, but I prefer Gnome |
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| 01:17.36 | toresbe | rixth: me too :) |
| 01:17.42 | Gnea | actually gnome is up there with kde |
| 01:17.49 | Gnea | they're both crap |
| 01:17.52 | Gnea | they both stink |
| 01:17.55 | abrotman | toresbe: you're just sad cause you know it's true :) |
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| 01:17.56 | toresbe | Gnea: no they don't. |
| 01:18.02 | Gnea | toresbe: yes, they do. |
| 01:18.07 | Gnea | toresbe: Enlightenment > * |
| 01:18.08 | toresbe | Gnea: oh really? Why? |
| 01:18.11 | gravity | Wow, how childish is this? |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | Gnea: but you're from the midwest .. you have no taste :) |
| 01:18.25 | gravity | "They stink!" "No they don't!" "Yes they do!" |
| 01:18.26 | Gnea | toresbe: observe how many system libraries each kde or gnome app accesses |
| 01:18.31 | Xenguy | !start a window manager war |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | X blows! |
| 01:18.33 | toresbe | Gnea: yeah, so? |
| 01:18.41 | Gnea | abrotman: actually i'm from the west, east AND the midwest |
| 01:18.53 | toresbe | Gnea: I devel for a Debian-derived educational distro. You don't ask sixth-graders to use a real WM. |
| 01:18.55 | Gnea | toresbe: inefficient. |
| 01:18.56 | jim | I thought the point with gnome or kde was to allow better interaction with the computer,,, and my conclusion is they don't do a whole lot toward that end |
| 01:19.07 | toresbe | Gnea: it does a hell of a lot more than Flux. |
| 01:19.09 | quicoju | jim: hardware was working cool when installed sarge, do you think it could crash later on? |
| 01:19.14 | green_earz | NeoBREED: here a could be use full link for you to get to know apt-get debian package installer tools http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 01:19.17 | sjborch | i like KDE, Gnome, Fluxbox, Icewm, ratpoison(?), xfce, and windows xp. |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | Gnea: sorry about that |
| 01:19.30 | Gnea | toresbe: you're definately onto something there |
| 01:19.32 | mtnman | jim: i think the goal was easier interaction which is not the same as better interaction. |
| 01:19.51 | toresbe | jim: GNOME is starting to get there |
| 01:20.00 | NeoBREED | okay... |
| 01:20.09 | toresbe | jim: in 2.8 a window actually automatically pops up when you insert a USB drive, for example |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | toresbe: if you configure that |
| 01:20.34 | jim | quicoju: ok, how much ram do you have on that machine? |
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| 01:20.39 | NeoBREED | help me: I will look at all those sites... you've suggested... just tell me which installer is the best |
| 01:20.39 | StyXman | hi all |
| 01:20.43 | NeoBREED | or doable |
| 01:20.44 | Gnea | toresbe: i can list many, many more reasons why each suck ass, but the way i see it, if you can get kids to use one, then those reasons are moot for that application |
| 01:20.46 | NeoBREED | I want a clean system |
| 01:20.52 | toresbe | abrotman: nope, right out of the box, default, debian |
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| 01:21.00 | NeoBREED | that recognize the darn network card |
| 01:21.01 | StyXman | I have a game that depends on libXxf86vm.so.1, but there's only trhe .la file... |
| 01:21.03 | quicoju | jim:64M on RAM 128M on SWAP |
| 01:21.05 | NeoBREED | pcami crap |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | toresbe: no it doesn't |
| 01:21.14 | green_earz | NeoBREED: do you have a dsl connection for a net install ? if not check out ebay for a copy of a sarge cd set |
| 01:21.14 | toresbe | Gnea: exactly. It may not be something hackers use, but it was never intended to |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | toresbe: at least the last install i did didn't do that |
| 01:21.22 | toresbe | abrotman: when was that? 2.2? |
| 01:21.30 | Gnea | toresbe: agreed :) |
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| 01:21.45 | abrotman | toresbe: right before windows ate my debian |
| 01:21.50 | jim | quicoju: wow... shouldn't happen... can you try memtest86? |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | toresbe: friday :) |
| 01:21.54 | toresbe | Gnea: so saying it's bad is like saying a bus sucks before it doesn't fit in your garage :) |
| 01:21.58 | StyXman | I tried to compile xfree, but I discover that my knowledge does not allow me to modify the build process to build a .so version |
| 01:22.05 | Gnea | toresbe: HAHAHAHHAHAHA |
| 01:22.05 | toresbe | abrotman: strange, 2.8 is supposed to have it |
| 01:22.07 | StyXman | so, are there any other options? |
| 01:22.11 | NeoBREED | I have T1 |
| 01:22.17 | NeoBREED | I can do the net install |
| 01:22.28 | NeoBREED | I will download an image CD and get it done tonight |
| 01:22.38 | gravity | NeoBREED: Have fun |
| 01:22.39 | jim | but can you burn cds? |
| 01:22.51 | green_earz | NeoBREED: perfect and all the best |
| 01:22.56 | Gnea | toresbe: that's funny, if my garage was about a foot or two taller then i could fit a whole school bus in there - and not a retard bus either ;) |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | toresbe: oh well |
| 01:22.57 | NeoBREED | I've been quite annoyed with the fact that it doesn't recognize my soundcard and usb |
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| 01:23.08 | resiak | toresbe, abrotman: adduser youruser plugdev is all. (*has set up an old keyboard. Now I _will_ sleep*) |
| 01:23.14 | jim | NeoBREED: it is the kernel that would or would not.' |
| 01:23.18 | Gnea | a pair of retard busses perhaps |
| 01:23.19 | toresbe | resiak: that's it, yeah |
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| 01:23.29 | NeoBREED | alsa |
| 01:23.36 | NeoBREED | that's what I've been struggling with |
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| 01:23.54 | NeoBREED | tell me the steps |
| 01:24.03 | NeoBREED | 1. I will get that sarge netinstall CD |
| 01:24.09 | NeoBREED | 2. install the basic craps |
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| 01:24.22 | gravity | NeoBREED: 0. Read the sarge installer manual and follow its instructions to the letter |
| 01:24.22 | quicoj1 | jim: let me see. |
| 01:24.27 | NeoBREED | then if that doesn't solve my soundcard and usb... what will I do |
| 01:24.32 | NeoBREED | okay |
| 01:24.34 | NeoBREED | I will do that |
| 01:24.39 | jim | NeoBREED: it's -possible- you would need to build a kernel image |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | resiak: you lie! |
| 01:24.52 | gravity | NeoBREED: Right now you're just trying to over-prepare for things. Just do the install. |
| 01:24.56 | johnga1t | how do i delimit a * in a regex? (i.e. sed 's/\*//g' to replace all star's with nothing ... but that doesn't work) |
| 01:25.10 | NeoBREED | building a kernel image: this is a very big and intimidating set of words |
| 01:25.11 | gravity | NeoBREED: The installer is pretty good. It recognizes quite a bit. |
| 01:25.20 | quicoj1 | jim: don't have memtest86, should i install? |
| 01:25.23 | NeoBREED | sarge |
| 01:25.25 | NeoBREED | okay done |
| 01:25.31 | NeoBREED | I will be back in a few hours LOL |
| 01:25.32 | NeoBREED | thanks a lot |
| 01:25.36 | green_earz | NeoBREED: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 01:25.36 | NeoBREED | hope this works |
| 01:25.48 | drac | Hmm, trying to learn apt-build. Any pointers how should I proceed with this.. W: Couldn't stat source package list file: apt-build/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_var_cache_apt-build_repository_dists_apt-build_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 01:26.11 | Streetman | hello all. I could use some help with something if you can. I got wine installed today and I think I have it configured, but when I try to run it with mIRC and got a litany of errors. http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xjPCZw33.html Can anyone help? |
| 01:26.23 | jim | NeoBREED: yes, I agree with gravity,,, you could just run the install, get your networking up, install the base, (maybe x and) an irc client... then come here |
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| 01:26.45 | jim | sy chick? |
| 01:26.50 | Delph | jim: uhhm, or maybe just an irc client *then* x. =:) |
| 01:27.03 | Delph | x being historically harder to get working than the console. |
| 01:27.04 | jim | Delph: note parens |
| 01:27.09 | jim | yes |
| 01:27.15 | Psychik | hi |
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| 01:27.27 | Delph | jim: very strange |
| 01:27.28 | Psychik | can someone help me with pure-ftpd ? |
| 01:27.29 | NeoBREED | okay. thank you all. have a good night. I'm gonna go get that cd image |
| 01:27.30 | NeoBREED | later |
| 01:27.35 | Delph | i managed to totally miss them |
| 01:27.45 | StyXman | drac: hmm, apt-get update? |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | Psychik: rephrase your question |
| 01:27.51 | Psychik | okay |
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| 01:28.22 | jim | Psychik: maybe, but only when we have some information about your problem... start by telling us what you know |
| 01:28.27 | whozit | hi all, i'm stuck without GUI, so naturally a browser too, what's the command to un the X config? |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | whozit: which gui do you want? |
| 01:28.41 | whozit | kde |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 01:28.49 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 01:28.58 | mtnman | whozit: you can have a browser w/o X. |
| 01:29.05 | pipeline | whozit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | whozit: and also install x-window-system-core kdm menu |
| 01:29.09 | whozit | i'm in woody, i'm more familiar with sarge, but it did this part for me |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 01:29.18 | whozit | thank you |
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| 01:29.23 | abrotman | woody has kde? |
| 01:29.38 | gravity | yes |
| 01:29.41 | Eclipser | !info woody kdm |
| 01:29.47 | Streetman | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xjPCZw33.html << I'm running woody, but a newer install of wine. Those are the errors I get when I try to run mIRC and wine. Any ideas? |
| 01:29.48 | Eclipser | whops |
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| 01:30.06 | Psychik | i setted him to start in stanalone , with puredb auth and no unix ident , when i lanch it whithout pam ident it dosen't put the swith for puredb , and anyways it says its started, but when i px aux , i see nothing |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | Streetman: why the hell would you do that? |
| 01:30.11 | Psychik | u understood ? |
| 01:30.15 | drac | !pal Streetman |
| 01:30.17 | dondelelcaro | why in *SHAITANS UNHOLY NAME* would you run mIRC under wine? |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:30.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:30.27 | jim | dpkg: hmm? |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: s/under wine// |
| 01:30.33 | FieldySnuts | jej |
| 01:30.41 | Streetman | abrotman: Because it's an mIRC bot that i wrote and i dont want to re-write it. |
| 01:30.42 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: excellent point. i had the same question. |
| 01:30.43 | Eclipser | dondelelcaro, who does that?-o |
| 01:30.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, that for that, I'd just appeal to a lesser deamon... |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | Streetman: i'd rewrite it .. mirc is .. bad |
| 01:31.32 | ledestin | Streetman: try XChat |
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| 01:31.34 | gravity | Oh my god.. |
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| 01:31.46 | Streetman | abrotman: Not really. The bot works great and re-writing it would require me to find a client that I can even write in, install it, and learn how to script in it. |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | Streetman: and you'd probably get more help in #winehq |
| 01:31.51 | Psychik | jim , u understood my pb ? |
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| 01:32.05 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:32.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:32.13 | Silensius | how can i change the hostname please |
| 01:32.23 | Psychik | sorry :p |
| 01:32.28 | dondelelcaro | Silensius: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 01:32.29 | gravity | Silensius: Change /etc/hostname |
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| 01:32.49 | Streetman | that and nobody responds in WineHQ |
| 01:32.50 | dondelelcaro | Streetman: you can script in most unix clients. FE, in irssi-text it's quite trivial. |
| 01:32.51 | gravity | Although the factoid is prbably better |
| 01:33.27 | Streetman | dondelelcaro: But as I said, I'd have to learn it again. And I'm busy enough as a college student. |
| 01:33.39 | gravity | Streetman: Why do you need this particular bot so bad? |
| 01:33.46 | gravity | There's a number of good ones out there for UNIX clients |
| 01:33.50 | jim | Psychik: I'm not sure I understand yet (but maybe someone else does) |
| 01:33.51 | dondelelcaro | Streetman: *shrug* good luck getting help on fixing it in #winehq then. |
| 01:34.05 | Streetman | gravity: It's one I run and specifically wrote for a group of people. |
| 01:34.08 | Psychik | okay |
| 01:34.43 | Psychik | the file 75puredb , i just tell yes in it or not ? |
| 01:34.43 | Eclipser | I'd use a real bot instead of a mIRC script :) |
| 01:34.44 | gravity | Streetman: Well, most people, at least around here, consider mIRC the equivalent of pure pain, so... |
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| 01:35.18 | nuix | how can i extend a window outside of the desktop's upper side in gnome. it seems that gnome allows the operation before |
| 01:35.27 | StyXman | how can I build a dynamic version of a lib from its static version? |
| 01:35.29 | Streetman | gravity: Not when all you've known is windows since 95 came out and all you've used is mIRC when you first got on IRC 5 years ago. |
| 01:35.38 | jim | Psychik, I'm not sure what is puredb |
| 01:36.01 | Eclipser | nuix, try moving the window up with alt+click and then resize? |
| 01:36.07 | Psychik | its a auth type , like ldap , mysql , postgresql |
| 01:36.07 | Eclipser | not sure if this works in gnome |
| 01:36.23 | gravity | Streetman: You act like none of us made the transition |
| 01:36.41 | pipeline | Eclipser: metashitty won't allow you to drag the window title past the top bar. Other window managers will, however. |
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| 01:36.47 | Streetman | gravity: Never said that. But when wine can allow me to use what I've already written, why not? |
| 01:36.53 | Eclipser | pipeline, well that sucks :) |
| 01:36.55 | jim | Streetman: maybe, but you could install linux and some unix irc client and go "maaan, how did I live before!?" |
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| 01:37.02 | pipeline | Streetman: Eh, as soon as I discovered Xchat win32, I had no need for mirc ever again. |
| 01:37.15 | gravity | Streetman: Mainly because mIRC is generally considered insecure, among other things |
| 01:37.16 | pipeline | Streetman: Xchat has actual scripting support. |
| 01:37.27 | jim | Psychik: ok, what does it take to get puredb working? |
| 01:37.31 | Eclipser | putty/irssi if I really have to use windows :) |
| 01:37.37 | Streetman | Again, as I said, the bot is scripted in mIRC. Re-writing it would be a pain because the thing is rather large and I don't have the time. |
| 01:37.46 | pipeline | Streetman: Then delete it. |
| 01:37.52 | nuix | Edipser, it doesnot work now.. gnome does not allow the operation now |
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| 01:38.06 | Streetman | pipeline: Or get it to run with wine |
| 01:38.14 | Streetman | Which is what I'm trying to do |
| 01:38.21 | gravity | Streetman: You should probably just buy crossover office or something. Apparently it's very easy to get it to run all sorts of apps that are more difficult with the free wine |
| 01:38.34 | pipeline | Streetman: mIRC used to work under wine, a looong time ago. I think it's been broken for quite some time. |
| 01:38.38 | gravity | Streetman: Wine has historically been a bit of a pain in the ass |
| 01:38.47 | Streetman | pipeline: Not according to the website |
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| 01:39.01 | jim | of COURSE not according to the website :P |
| 01:39.08 | pipeline | gravity: It's not nearly as bad as it used to be. These days, it's kind of an on-off thing: Does it work with winver 9x? winver xp? no? give up. |
| 01:39.12 | Psychik | jim> normaly just create a file to tell pure-ftpd to use it instead of pam ident, but even if i use pam ident it says ftpserver started , but it doesn't start :/ |
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| 01:39.18 | pipeline | Streetman: sidenet config is your friend. |
| 01:39.32 | Streetman | pipeline: What? |
| 01:39.34 | Psychik | so i think my pb is not with the auth type i use |
| 01:39.38 | jim | oh, puredb and pureftpd are connected |
| 01:39.43 | pipeline | Streetman: You have a web browser and a brain. |
| 01:39.49 | nuix | Edipser, moving windows with ALT+click works with other sides instead of upper one |
| 01:39.51 | pipeline | Streetman: look it up yourself :P |
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| 01:40.09 | Streetman | pipeline: Yes I do. But I can't find the solution there, and Debian has an IRC channel, so i figured what the hell. |
| 01:40.11 | Eclipser | nuix, you should probably consider some other wm then :) |
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| 01:40.20 | pipeline | Streetman: I just gave you the solution. |
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| 01:40.36 | Streetman | what, look it up? |
| 01:40.38 | Eclipser | nuix, as pipeline stated, metacity doesn't allow that for some reason... other wm's do |
| 01:40.40 | Psychik | 03:39:55 <jim> oh, puredb and pureftpd are connected < puredb is especialy for pure-ftpd |
| 01:40.42 | gravity | Streetman: You may just want to google it too. Tons of people have wine questions for apps like that, so it may have been answered |
| 01:40.44 | ledestin | Streetman: Wine is for people that understand how it works, because if the app you want is broken, all you can do is google for errors you get. And there will be many. |
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| 01:40.59 | `Bruno` | alguem usa Lexmark z13? |
| 01:41.07 | shingouz | !br |
| 01:41.07 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:41.25 | `Bruno` | queria configurar ela no debian mais não conseguir.. alguem ja configurou a lexmark z13? |
| 01:41.32 | `Bruno` | ops |
| 01:41.41 | nuix | Edipser, I want to know how to configure it.. kde is also not with the function |
| 01:41.44 | jim | Psychik: ok, go back... what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:42.02 | Streetman | I got one entry for the errors I got, ledestin. I already tried it. I know what google is and I use it often. |
| 01:42.22 | Eclipser | nuix, learn to write my name :< configure what? to use another wm? |
| 01:42.35 | Psychik | jim > i want to start pure-ftpd in standalone mode , with puredb auth |
| 01:42.56 | ledestin | Streetman: that's not the point. The point is that it didn't solve your problem. |
| 01:42.57 | jim | but why? |
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| 01:43.09 | Streetman | ledestin: Not yet. |
| 01:43.10 | jim | what's your actual goal? |
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| 01:43.53 | EvanCarroll | My access string to a mounted nfs directory is 'drw-r--r--' and i still can't list the files it contains, what am i lacking? |
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| 01:44.02 | ledestin | Streetman: the best way for you is to post to newsgroup/mailing list where Wine people go. |
| 01:44.17 | ledestin | EvanCarroll: x |
| 01:44.27 | libpcp | i would like to know what version of glibc im running on my debian woody 3 machine? |
| 01:44.36 | Psychik | jim > to separate system user and ftp user , to make ftp user cant access to shh etc , to securise it fact |
| 01:44.42 | EvanCarroll | ledestin: execute permissions on a directory enable listing? hrm, interestingm thanks. |
| 01:44.50 | ledestin | EvanCarroll: man chmod :) |
| 01:44.59 | j4cbo | i've decided that kernel modules are black magic... i'm trying to compile longhaul.o against a 2.4.24 kernel for which i don't have the .config |
| 01:45.02 | Nurbs | libpcp: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 01:45.06 | jim | Psychik: ok,,, so is it true you want non-shell users? |
| 01:45.06 | Psychik | and pure-ftpd is the ftpd the most configurable |
| 01:45.08 | nuix | Eclipser, sorry , my x-chat fool me.... ;) |
| 01:45.12 | jim | ok |
| 01:45.12 | Psychik | yes |
| 01:45.18 | libpcp | thanks Nurbs |
| 01:45.30 | j4cbo | it complains of two unresolved symbols, create_proc_entry and remove_proc entry... but the kernel image has proc support |
| 01:45.57 | jim | j4cbo: why don't you have the config? |
| 01:45.58 | j4cbo | any idea why it wouldn't find those two? |
| 01:46.16 | j4cbo | it's from thinstation, a mini diskless workstation distro |
| 01:46.25 | j4cbo | i really don't wanna download the 250mb dev tarball |
| 01:46.33 | nuix | Eclipser, i want to know where i can set to let it work |
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| 01:46.43 | nuix | Eclipser, in gnome |
| 01:46.48 | jim | j4cbo: hmm, I dopnt |
| 01:46.53 | Nurbs | libpcp: somewhat more general is for example ldd --version |
| 01:46.57 | jim | know anything about this dist |
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| 01:47.18 | Eclipser | nuix, gnome uses metacity by default and it doesn't allow that... you should change window manager |
| 01:47.34 | j4cbo | basically consists of 2.4 kernel, busybox, and X |
| 01:47.34 | a_monkey | is upgrading to unstable packages a smart thing to do? |
| 01:47.47 | deadcat | is there a way to configure sshd to ignore an ip if it attempts more than 5 failures from 1 ip? like i want to stop those mass ssh attempts |
| 01:47.50 | gravity | a_monkey: Depends on you |
| 01:47.58 | a_monkey | gravity: me? |
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| 01:48.18 | gravity | a_monkey: Yeah. What are your needs? How critical is your machine? How well do you know debian? etc |
| 01:48.38 | jim | j4cbo: it might be that you have to rebuild the kernel... some modules won't fit if the kernel was not built with them |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | deadcat: i think iptables can do that |
| 01:49.16 | j4cbo | that's what i was afraid of... it's weird, because it's a fairly basic function and they're in the System.map |
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| 01:49.37 | nuix | Eclipser, oh,, thanks, |
| 01:49.47 | Xenguy | deadcat: you can try side-stepping the issue by switching sshd to listen on a different port too |
| 01:50.12 | j4cbo | jim: i could see if it was longhaul related, but proc... weird. |
| 01:50.22 | linoleum | hey sorry, I can't find a daemon for the dhcp clien side... I have to run dhclient or pump, at each reboot as root, and it's borrin as helll. I have already tryed dhcpcd , but there is no /etc/init.d/dhcpcd option ..... I dont know how to fix it |
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| 01:50.28 | jim | well, just a possibility |
| 01:50.51 | deadcat | Xenguy: ya. thats too much trouble (= |
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| 01:50.59 | jim | Psychik, what are the names of the debian packages you used to install pureftpd? |
| 01:51.14 | Psychik | pure-ftpd |
| 01:51.17 | Psychik | simple |
| 01:51.24 | zorton | I need to patch iptables, is there a way to do this that will play nice with debian? |
| 01:51.24 | deadcat | abrotman: ok. you know the rule? (= |
| 01:51.26 | Xenguy | deadcat: it's dead easy really, but suit yourself (TIMTOWTDI and all that) |
| 01:51.30 | Psychik | not the package pure-ftpd-common |
| 01:51.38 | jim | Psychik: ok, installing it now |
| 01:51.47 | Psychik | i pass to the common ? |
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| 01:52.02 | abrotman | deadcat: yeah right :) |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | i'm no help |
| 01:52.06 | deadcat | hehe |
| 01:52.11 | AJP | anyone know where the plugins dir is for mozilla firefox in sarge? |
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| 01:52.28 | Xenguy | deadcat: you need some kind of script for that I'd wager... |
| 01:52.45 | Xenguy | deadcat: I seem to recall that some guy in our LUG tried to create one actually... |
| 01:52.47 | gravity | AJP: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 01:52.53 | AJP | gravity: thankies |
| 01:52.53 | Xenguy | deadcat: let me have a look, sec |
| 01:53.00 | deadcat | Xenguy: thanks |
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| 01:53.18 | gravity | AJP: For future reference, dpkg -L packagename will tell you that kind of thing |
| 01:53.22 | jim | Psychik: it looks like it started pureftpd... but I never saw anything about puredb |
| 01:53.28 | gravity | In this case, dpkg -L mozilla-firefox |
| 01:53.45 | Psychik | hmm |
| 01:53.51 | AJP | gravity: ah, thanks again :) |
| 01:53.58 | gravity | You're welcome |
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| 01:54.05 | jim | Starting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l pam -u 1000 -E -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B |
| 01:54.05 | Psychik | jim > do the cmd > pure-pw |
| 01:54.11 | Psychik | yes |
| 01:54.15 | Psychik | i've this too |
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| 01:54.25 | Psychik | but is doesnt start the ftpd |
| 01:54.51 | kupal | anyone know how i can use find to give the oldes filename in a dir structure, as well as a line for the newest, and if i can have it all in one line? |
| 01:55.11 | jim | Psychik: right, pure-pw does not start or stop the ftpd. |
| 01:55.33 | Psychik | pure-pw is for managing users |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | kupal: that doesnt' even make sense |
| 01:55.52 | jim | Psychik: did you set it up standalone? |
| 01:56.00 | Psychik | ues |
| 01:56.01 | Psychik | yes |
| 01:56.07 | Psychik | inetd suxx |
| 01:56.31 | gurubie | No wars please. About Debian, can one convert mepis (98% debian) to 100% Debian? What's are "pure" debian advantages. I do not want to discuss mepis here per se. I'm asking about getting debian without reinstalling from scratch. Repectfull. |
| 01:56.31 | deadcat | kupal: i think you can only use find to find "newer" and "older" |
| 01:57.00 | jim | Psychik: ok... try ftp localhost |
| 01:57.07 | Psychik | k |
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| 01:57.16 | gurubie | ....ly |
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| 01:57.47 | Psychik | -bash: ./ftp: No such file or directory |
| 01:57.48 | deadcat | ok |
| 01:58.03 | jim | Psychik: ./ftp? |
| 01:58.19 | zorton | is equivs still the correct package to use for localy installed programs? |
| 01:58.22 | Psychik | i tryes with ftp and with ./ftp |
| 01:58.36 | deadcat | Psychik: do you knwo what ./ do? |
| 01:58.37 | abrotman | use scp |
| 01:58.43 | Psychik | all makes errors |
| 01:58.44 | a_monkey | gravity: is there a big change of me coming across a big problem using the sid packages? |
| 01:58.46 | kupal | deadcat thankx, i will check into something else..... |
| 01:58.50 | Psychik | yes deadcat |
| 01:58.50 | jim | ok, try this as root: apt-get install ftp |
| 01:58.57 | a_monkey | gravity: or is it pretty ok |
| 01:58.57 | Psychik | okay |
| 01:58.59 | deadcat | Psychik: do you have ftp in your current dir? |
| 01:59.06 | gravity | a-atwood: Big chance of a problem, yes, Depends on what you consider a big problem. |
| 01:59.17 | gravity | a_monkey: ^ |
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| 01:59.30 | gurubie | Many have gone the Debian way via conversion. Could you please help me with installing debian by conversion? |
| 01:59.38 | a_monkey | gravity: hmm. what kind of problems woudl these be? |
| 01:59.43 | Psychik | package ftp wasn't installed :/ |
| 01:59.45 | gravity | a_monkey: Apps do break and you need to be prepared. You also need to know how to prevent these in trivial ways |
| 01:59.45 | a_monkey | gravity: would* |
| 01:59.52 | gravity | a_monkey: Random app breakage |
| 01:59.52 | Psychik | i apt get it now |
| 01:59.56 | jim | Psychik: I think: you have your ftpd running but you don't have a client |
| 01:59.58 | deadcat | gurubie: nobody does that. just use the d-i |
| 02:00.17 | deadcat | phaethon: answer me. do you have "ftp" in your current dir? |
| 02:00.28 | wwalker | Trying to help a friend build a module for a wifi card. make can't find the /lib/modules/<version>/build directory. what's the name of the .deb that puts the build files in lib/modules for a kernel |
| 02:00.29 | gravity | People have actually seriously used that debian conversion thingy? Wow |
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| 02:00.37 | deadcat | Psychik: answer me. do you have "ftp" in your current dir? |
| 02:00.39 | a_monkey | gravity: i'm just messing around, so if i have to reinstall my whole os it's okay |
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| 02:00.44 | Psychik | no deadcat |
| 02:00.47 | a_monkey | gravity: so i guess i'll take a chance... |
| 02:00.48 | jim | gravity: yeah, used to work good too :) |
| 02:01.00 | jim | I have no idea for now :) |
| 02:01.00 | gravity | a_monkey: Oh, ok. Then go for it. It's pretty unlikely that it'll break your machine. It's pretty unlikely you'll have to reinstall even. |
| 02:01.05 | deadcat | Psychik: then you dont know what ./ means. what the fuck make you think ./ftp will work if "ftp" fails? |
| 02:01.19 | gravity | a_monkey: I've run unstable exclusively for years. It's fine, but I know how to handle small problems and random breakages. |
| 02:01.21 | Psychik | but its weirds , before i used proftpd whitout needing install the package ftp |
| 02:01.29 | gurubie | deadcat" OK thank you. It's just that I've tweaked the heck out of my system and installed many things. |
| 02:01.29 | Xenguy | deadcat: sorry dude, can't find what I was thinking of |
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| 02:01.31 | gravity | a_monkey: Running unstable is a good way to throw yourself in to the fire if you want to learn |
| 02:01.39 | jim | Psychik: from remote machine maybe |
| 02:01.45 | a_monkey | gravity: i'm really good with app breakages, so i think i'll do that |
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| 02:01.49 | Psychik | yes its a jail |
| 02:01.52 | a_monkey | gravity: thx for the tips |
| 02:01.52 | deadcat | Xenguy: its cool. thanks though |
| 02:02.00 | gravity | a_monkey: Good luck |
| 02:02.03 | bykte | why does my shell list another username instead of root when i login the shell as root? |
| 02:02.18 | pisha | hi somebody around |
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| 02:02.20 | dieguito | how can i force the installation of a package when it complains about trying to overwrite another package's files |
| 02:02.20 | gravity | bykte: What name does it list? |
| 02:02.24 | deadcat | gurubie: dpkg --getselections > installed.pkg.list; then cp /etc/ |
| 02:02.37 | gravity | dieguito: They shouldn't be doing that. That's a bug |
| 02:02.41 | bykte | wait let me paste |
| 02:02.47 | jim | bykte: interesting question... do you su or how exactly and to what exactly do you login and give your passwd? |
| 02:02.49 | dieguito | i know it's pure evil, but i want to know how to do that |
| 02:02.59 | bykte | bykte:~# |
| 02:03.00 | gravity | dieguito: Just fix the bug :-p |
| 02:03.05 | deadcat | gurubie: thats dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:03.12 | pisha | I was watching a bit of your discussion |
| 02:03.12 | Guerin | dieguito: dpkg --force-help |
| 02:03.14 | horkinmidget | whats up everyone |
| 02:03.21 | bykte | jim, no i dont su... |
| 02:03.21 | bykte | unless i want to execute a process in another user context |
| 02:03.23 | dieguito | Guerin, thx |
| 02:03.23 | bykte | other than that, i direct login to root |
| 02:03.24 | gurubie | deadcat: Oh cool. Thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 02:03.41 | jim | bykte: ohh, your machine is called bykte |
| 02:03.51 | jim | it's not telling you the user |
| 02:03.58 | jim | it's telling you the machien |
| 02:03.58 | bykte | how do i check the machine name? |
| 02:04.01 | horkinmidget | I'm having a problem with xinetd starting apache |
| 02:04.04 | gravity | bykte: hostname |
| 02:04.05 | pisha | wanted to know just a fact about Sid the kid... |
| 02:04.20 | AJP | omg |
| 02:04.21 | bykte | bykte.is-a-geek.com <-- is my hostname |
| 02:04.24 | AJP | the impossible is possible |
| 02:04.28 | bykte | but why not the full path? |
| 02:04.34 | AJP | im using java... in linux... to play yahoo pool |
| 02:04.45 | gravity | bykte: It's just not set up that way by default. You can set that way if you really want |
| 02:05.04 | bykte | so if i change my hostname to "root" it will be listed as root:~# |
| 02:05.08 | bykte | true? |
| 02:05.09 | pisha | cheers AJP |
| 02:05.11 | Guerin | AJP: you sad bastard |
| 02:05.16 | gravity | bykte: Yes |
| 02:05.18 | AJP | :) |
| 02:05.21 | bykte | i see.. |
| 02:05.29 | jim | bykte: true... then all users might think they are root |
| 02:05.43 | Guerin | jim: that might be a fun april fool joke |
| 02:05.43 | herbi_ | just tell him how to set a new PS1 |
| 02:05.45 | jim | until they realize your machine is called root |
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| 02:05.51 | wwalker | Trying to help a friend build a module for a wifi card. make can't find the /lib/modules/<version>/build directory. what's the name of the .deb that puts the build files in lib/modules for a kernel |
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| 02:05.59 | bykte | so how do i do it in such a way, that it will list the username instead of a fix 1 user? |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | you'd have to alias whoami="echo root" |
| 02:06.10 | bykte | like root, will display root, abc will display abc |
| 02:06.23 | jim | bykte: like herbi said, you can learn to change what your prompt looks like |
| 02:06.29 | gravity | bykte: Google "bash prompt" |
| 02:06.34 | pisha | what's holding back the kid development and release? Would appreciate a couple of comments |
| 02:06.45 | Guerin | pisha: topic |
| 02:06.45 | gravity | pisha: You mean sarge? |
| 02:06.54 | bykte | ah ok |
| 02:06.55 | jim | pisha: sid will -never- release |
| 02:06.57 | Psychik | when i do > ftp localhost it says > ftp: connect: Connection refused |
| 02:07.08 | simonrvn | pisha: sid does not get released |
| 02:07.11 | pisha | omg what did I trigger? |
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| 02:07.22 | jim | Psychik: oh, so you're right, it's not running |
| 02:07.23 | karsten | pisha: adolesence |
| 02:07.27 | gravity | heh |
| 02:07.31 | pisha | hmm |
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| 02:07.37 | simonrvn | and bad speeling |
| 02:07.47 | jim | end bed spalling |
| 02:07.59 | Psychik | you think its a fw matter? |
| 02:08.00 | simonrvn | ind bid sepleing |
| 02:08.03 | Psychik | ( i dont) |
| 02:08.04 | gravity | in bed sprawling? |
| 02:08.09 | pisha | yes , I mean Sarge (would never like such a character for a debian impersonator) |
| 02:08.13 | bykte | lol jim, i fixed it, set hostname to "" :D |
| 02:08.15 | jim | Psychik: no |
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| 02:08.32 | gurubie | deadcat: Ok so it would be hell compared to d-i? Is that right? |
| 02:08.45 | gravity | pisha: Check the debian-devel-announce mailing list archives for info on why sarge isn't out yet |
| 02:08.57 | karsten | simonrvn: Everybody's a critik. |
| 02:09.10 | simonrvn | everone's a critique |
| 02:09.12 | quicoju | jim: i'm about to run memtest86, which tests do i need to do for the segfatlt problem? |
| 02:09.15 | jim | bykte: ok, set your host name back and then try this: export PS1="$ " |
| 02:09.26 | simonrvn | fatlip |
| 02:09.32 | pisha | well, I just wanted to know what's the critic |
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| 02:09.38 | Silensius | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/news/archives/2005/04/munich_picks_it.html |
| 02:09.52 | jim | quicoju: just let it run for awhile, 5 mins or so |
| 02:09.57 | pisha | itx Silensius |
| 02:10.00 | jim | see if you get any problems |
| 02:10.12 | quicoju | ok |
| 02:10.21 | pisha | tx gravity |
| 02:10.41 | simonrvn | prescription? oh, that's Rx |
| 02:10.45 | jim | got it set up in your boot loader properly? memtest is something you boot |
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| 02:12.08 | abrotman | Silensius: we know .. |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | a long time ago |
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| 02:12.17 | Silensius | :) |
| 02:12.29 | Silensius | sorry :) |
| 02:13.18 | Silensius | a long time ago , itwas a project now it's going to be |
| 02:14.37 | ledestin | the news is that Munich picked Debian |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | it was in DWN |
| 02:15.01 | Silensius | ok |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | and slashdot i think |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | and planet.d.n :) |
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| 02:16.31 | Psychik | jim so you have no idea for my matter |
| 02:16.32 | Psychik | ? |
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| 02:16.56 | jim | Psychik: try... |
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| 02:17.10 | FieldySnuts | @lart doubleclick.net |
| 02:17.33 | jim | Psychik: try /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 02:17.45 | Psychik | okay |
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| 02:18.03 | jim | then try ftp to localhost from the SAME machine |
| 02:18.22 | simonrvn | how come i hear about things 2 days in advance that slashdot hears way late? |
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| 02:18.40 | FieldySnuts | because slashdot is lagging these days |
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| 02:18.53 | FieldySnuts | @smite cowboyneal |
| 02:20.21 | Psychik | 04:17:50 <jim> Psychik: try /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start < i've the same msg that you had ( without the pam i removed) , and it doesn't start |
| 02:20.39 | FieldySnuts | heh i drunk |
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| 02:23.40 | zumbi | Psychik, what is your problem ? |
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| 02:23.55 | jim | Psychik: ok, try watching tail -f /var/log/daemon.log while you try starting it |
| 02:23.57 | zumbi | you can't connect to your ftp server ? |
| 02:24.04 | FieldySnuts | probably user error |
| 02:24.09 | Psychik | okay jim |
| 02:24.19 | jim | zumbi: can't start it |
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| 02:24.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: annoy jim |
| 02:24.45 | ravenbird | jim: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 02:25.09 | jim | ravenbird: your master needs a lart... deliver it swiftly! |
| 02:25.09 | ravenbird | jim: no idea |
| 02:25.37 | Psychik | jim i've only the logs of proftpd i removed |
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| 02:25.49 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadgerbadger |
| 02:25.54 | ledestin | FieldySnuts: you're not funny |
| 02:26.03 | FieldySnuts | ledestin: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* all |
| 02:26.49 | ledestin | FieldySnuts: agreed. but, heh, who finds you funny? |
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| 02:27.16 | jim | Psychik: but are you watching the output while you start the server? |
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| 02:27.45 | slyphon | anyone know how to unpackage a deb? |
| 02:27.54 | Psychik | yes jim |
| 02:27.56 | Silveira | is there a deb-src for samba? |
| 02:27.57 | kanzure | slyphon: They're not meant to be unpackaged; Just eat them. |
| 02:28.02 | slyphon | i want to inspect one to see how it was put together |
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| 02:28.06 | slyphon | kanzure: :) |
| 02:28.07 | kanzure | dpkg-unpack perhaps. i forget exacpt, I just apt everything :P |
| 02:28.13 | slyphon | kanzure: teach a man to fish |
| 02:28.15 | jim | a .deb is a .ar containing a text file and two tarballs |
| 02:28.22 | kanzure | slyphon: nah, just set him on fire |
| 02:28.24 | slyphon | jim: no need to get dirty |
| 02:28.34 | slyphon | kanzure: :) |
| 02:28.38 | Psychik | is non-root it says it starts but in the logs there"s nothing |
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| 02:28.45 | Psychik | in |
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| 02:29.16 | slyphon | ah |
| 02:29.23 | Danar | if you were to disable root login for all ttys and then have your user's account be disabled due to the password expiring, would you no longer be able to log in at all? |
| 02:29.24 | slyphon | dpkg-deb -x |
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| 02:29.28 | jim | Psychik: ok, dpkg --purge pure-ftpd ; apt-get install pure-ftpd |
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| 02:29.40 | Psychik | l |
| 02:29.41 | Psychik | k |
| 02:29.58 | jim | and I'm going to go eat food... maybe I'll be back :) |
| 02:30.12 | zumbi | Psychik, i start it like this : /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l puredb:/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.pdb -l pam -u 1000 -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -A -H -F /etc/motd -t 10:7 -d -B |
| 02:30.34 | Danar | anyone know? |
| 02:30.35 | slyphon | hmm, that wasn't it |
| 02:30.47 | jim | a .deb is a .ar containing a text file and two tarballs |
| 02:31.04 | CasaNova | Installing very first time from sarge installer (ran woody for some time. When I get to install grub I have an error on 3rd console no space left on devide and teh installer fails on grub install. Is 'device' the HD mbr? How do I clear it? |
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| 02:31.26 | jim | if you want to take one apart, you can use that info :) |
| 02:31.27 | simonrvn | Danar: no. still possible to do stuff |
| 02:31.33 | CasaNova | "no space on device" not devide |
| 02:31.39 | Psychik | thx zumbi , i try this |
| 02:31.52 | slyphon | jim: yeah, i'm figuring that out now |
| 02:31.54 | zumbi | Psychik, you could try to run with your configs |
| 02:31.56 | Danar | simonrvn: how? who would you log in as, and how? |
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| 02:32.01 | user01 | is homepna technology any good? |
| 02:32.09 | Psychik | yes |
| 02:32.09 | Oskilian | how do I check ssh logs, or how do I activate them? |
| 02:32.16 | simonrvn | Danar: init=/bin/bash |
| 02:32.20 | Psychik | i wont put the motd :p |
| 02:32.28 | zumbi | :-) |
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| 02:32.47 | user01 | has anyone tried homepna? |
| 02:32.48 | Danar | simonrvn: at the bootloader prompt? |
| 02:32.52 | CasaNova | I thought grub installed to the mbr and grub install shoudl overwrite anything in the mbr (i thought) |
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| 02:33.13 | simonrvn | Danar: no, at the terminal... where else? |
| 02:33.56 | slyphon | jim: specifically, i was interested in what this person's "rules" file looked like |
| 02:33.59 | simonrvn | it was a silly question, frankly. which you knew the answer to already |
| 02:34.03 | Danar | alright. thx |
| 02:34.22 | Psychik | zumbi , i've already this type of cmd before , its do the same , no error msg , but anything start |
| 02:34.24 | CasaNova | Is there a better channel to discuss the Sarge installer? or grub install on debian in particular> |
| 02:34.26 | user01 | trying to do a network from one room with rj-11 jack to another room with rj-11 jack... |
| 02:34.38 | jim | slyphon: ohh, ok |
| 02:34.50 | zumbi | did you update the user data base ? |
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| 02:34.57 | jim | CasaNova: maybe #debian-boot |
| 02:35.02 | zumbi | is the service running ? ps -auxf |
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| 02:35.20 | CasaNova | jim: The thing is - the grub installer is failing during Sarge install.... |
| 02:35.24 | user01 | instead of running a cat-5 cable all the way down the hallway... |
| 02:35.26 | whozit | hey all thanks for the help before, got almost everything workin |
| 02:35.31 | CasaNova | due to lack of space on device!? |
| 02:35.39 | Psychik | 04:35:07 <zumbi> did you update the user data base ? < i put the -m at each user i add |
| 02:35.46 | jim | CasaNova: oh... |
| 02:35.56 | jim | but still I gotta get food |
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| 02:36.29 | Danar | simonrvn: er, what if your bootloader's delay time were set to 0? |
| 02:36.39 | whozit | nyone know if there is an argument for startx or someting that will allow me to boot into x without a mouse? it doesnt recogznize my USB mouse, and i need to get the nforce2 drivers before it's going to |
| 02:36.42 | zumbi | Psychik, pure-pw mkdb [<puredb_database_file> [-f passwd_file]] |
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| 02:37.11 | Psychik | its updated |
| 02:37.34 | Psychik | the switch -m auto update the pwd files |
| 02:37.35 | kanzure | Is there a way to add an entry to fstab without manually editing it? |
| 02:37.39 | ledestin | whozit: why, X works whether you have mouse or not |
| 02:37.42 | zumbi | well, then check iptables |
| 02:37.45 | simonrvn | Danar: a) spank yourself for setting it to such a setting b) boot from another medium, chroot, edit it, run it if need be c) then do the changes you were going to do anyway |
| 02:37.49 | zumbi | or any other firewall |
| 02:37.51 | IoG[hilikus] | echo " " > /etc/fstab |
| 02:37.58 | Psychik | yes |
| 02:38.02 | kanzure | loG: In other words, I don't know how to edit fstab |
| 02:38.07 | kanzure | for proper inclusion of mount points |
| 02:38.09 | Danar | lol |
| 02:38.09 | whozit | ledestin: then why does it freak out and not start X, when the only error is that it cant start the mouse? |
| 02:38.18 | furrywolf | whozit: mouse errors are usually non-fatal, and the server still starts... shure there's no other errors? |
| 02:38.33 | Psychik | like my error with ftp localhost , when a get a connection refused |
| 02:38.34 | whozit | arg... yes |
| 02:38.44 | Danar | alright, thx again |
| 02:38.57 | kanzure | Nevermind; I have it. |
| 02:39.05 | hilikussss | just make a dir in /mnt/ for the device you want to mount, im sure you can look at the other entrys in fstab to get a general feel for a entry |
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| 02:39.10 | Oskilian | what happens if I have a partition usually mounted at /home, I unmount it and write data in the directory "home" of the partition mounted as /, then I re-mount /home? |
| 02:39.22 | shingouz | whozit: i think there is something along the lines of "ignore mouse" in the XF86Config. check the manpage |
| 02:39.22 | whozit | hrm... what's the graphical setup for x called? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | !drxx whozit |
| 02:39.41 | dpkg | whozit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | if you think ncurses is a gui :) |
| 02:39.58 | whozit | no, the graphical one, not the ncurses one |
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| 02:40.07 | shingouz | eww :) |
| 02:40.07 | whozit | there is one that runs an actual gui |
| 02:40.21 | ledestin | whozit: and it sucks |
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| 02:41.10 | whozit | i'd be looking this up, but i have no gui and my term paper is now 8 hrs late because my MBR was fuckt, this is the only distro i have that the cd still works (thanks to the X-gf who decided that putting all my cds on the speaker was a good idea) |
| 02:41.23 | CasaNova | Anyone able to give me iedas why grub cant write to mbr on install of Sarge? I complete partition setup and turned off Virus protect in BIOS. |
| 02:41.31 | furrywolf | since when did speakers damage CDs? |
| 02:41.41 | gberardi_ | Recently apt stopped working properly for me. I presume my apt repository has changed, but where can I find more info on it? |
| 02:41.43 | hilikussss | what does linux have to do with your term paper |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | maybe he put the speaker near his MBR |
| 02:41.52 | whozit | fury: since they were made with magnets (this is a house stereo) |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | whozit: really .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:42.14 | shingouz | whozit: cd's are not magnetic media |
| 02:42.28 | furrywolf | and the fact that CDs are optical, not magnetic, and have nothing mangetic nor magnatizable in them...? |
| 02:42.34 | gberardi_ | http://mirror.debian.org/debian.mirrors.pair.com.html This says it is up, which it is, but apparently non-free and contrib aren't |
| 02:42.36 | jim | whozit: cds aren't magnetic,,, but if the speakers have enough bass, it might make them fall off :) |
| 02:42.36 | CasaNova | during Sarge install I fail at grub install. Looking at console I see it attemtps to write but gets no space available on device Error |
| 02:42.41 | whozit | thanks for the help asswads |
| 02:42.47 | hilikussss | <3 |
| 02:42.51 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:42.56 | ledestin | lol |
| 02:42.58 | shingouz | sigh |
| 02:43.08 | simonrvn | what an idiot |
| 02:43.11 | furrywolf | that was worth it just for the laugh |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | yay .. we're asswads! |
| 02:43.19 | shingouz | hehe |
| 02:43.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're my favorite asswad! |
| 02:43.28 | simonrvn | magnet damaging cds... |
| 02:43.29 | CasaNova | The top of the speaker was actually covered in sandpaper - No slip! |
| 02:43.32 | jim | does that mean we walk backasswad? |
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| 02:43.33 | simonrvn | aaaw geee |
| 02:43.33 | gberardi_ | Did anyone have to update their sources.list file? |
| 02:43.38 | gberardi_ | recently, I mean |
| 02:43.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:43.38 | Cone | you could scratch a cd with a magnet |
| 02:44.00 | simonrvn | scratch yes. but not because it's a magent |
| 02:44.10 | simonrvn | gnet* |
| 02:44.12 | mtnman | cone: you could break a cd with a big enough magnet. |
| 02:44.17 | Cone | true |
| 02:44.22 | Cone | then again |
| 02:44.27 | simonrvn | you could break a cd with your bare hands |
| 02:44.28 | jim | oh, he's mad because his term paper is late |
| 02:44.28 | Cone | if there were lots of tiny blades nearby |
| 02:44.29 | Cone | and it was a powerful magnet |
| 02:44.33 | CasaNova | Could REALLLLY strong magnets pull the silver coating right off the 'top' of the CD? |
| 02:44.34 | Cone | .. |
| 02:44.38 | Cone | hah |
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| 02:45.01 | shingouz | CasaNova: they'd probably pull the fillings out of your teeth first |
| 02:45.04 | furrywolf | casanova: unlikely, since I don't think it's ferrous... |
| 02:45.05 | mtnman | you could smash the cd to smithereens with a big enough magnet. |
| 02:45.08 | CasaNova | hahahha' |
| 02:45.13 | simonrvn | it's aluminum. i don't think so, unless it was alloyed with a magnetic metal - which i haven't seen |
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| 02:45.23 | furrywolf | a big AC electromagnet, on the other hand, might be able to melt the coating |
| 02:45.30 | rixth | Is there a converter for wma to mp3? |
| 02:45.38 | furrywolf | rixth: mencoder |
| 02:45.44 | simonrvn | ugh. convert from one crappy format to another? |
| 02:46.11 | rixth | simonrvn, ogg fan? flac fann? |
| 02:46.18 | CasaNova | Oh so magnets must be why sarge installer cant write grub to mbr (joking! - really do need to know why I can;t write grub to mbr!) |
| 02:46.28 | furrywolf | if it's aluminium, a high-strength high-frequency electromagnet should be able to induce enough current in the cd to vaporize the coating and/or melt the plastic. :) |
| 02:46.29 | Cone | so I'm looking for suggestions as to the best way to gather email from multiple pop accounts so I can view them all in mutt or something of that nature |
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| 02:46.34 | rixth | furrywolf, mencoder is a bitch to use |
| 02:46.37 | simonrvn | nothing to do with being a fan, but just common sense (IMO) |
| 02:46.49 | mtnman | cone: fetchmail will do that. |
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| 02:46.56 | Cone | *nod* |
| 02:47.01 | Cone | 's the direction I thought I should go |
| 02:47.06 | furrywolf | fetchmail works well |
| 02:47.12 | simonrvn | fetchmail, mutt |
| 02:47.20 | Cone | just figured I'd ask and see if any other major possibilities eluded me |
| 02:47.25 | Cone | sounds good |
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| 02:47.27 | Cone | thanks guys |
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| 02:47.36 | rixth | simonrvn, then waht format is 'best' in your opinion? |
| 02:47.39 | green_earz | CasaNova: do you download the cd and have you md5sum check it. you can run a integrity check on the cd |
| 02:47.47 | simonrvn | best for what? |
| 02:47.59 | rixth | audio codec |
| 02:48.09 | simonrvn | what kind of audio? |
| 02:48.10 | green_earz | CasaNova: sorry did not do |
| 02:48.28 | CasaNova | green_earz- darn no MD5 sum yet. How to run integrity check on CD |
| 02:48.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: lemme guess a 64 bit box? |
| 02:48.28 | Equinox | Cone-fetchmail |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: lots of moaning! |
| 02:48.38 | rixth | songs, with file size in mind |
| 02:48.40 | simonrvn | speex |
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| 02:48.46 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^ |
| 02:48.50 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yes. last attempt at gcc 4 didn't even get as fara s 'make menuconfig' before it bombed <heh> |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:49.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: ouch |
| 02:49.08 | zignig | cafuego: use gcc 5 then , much more stable. |
| 02:49.21 | cafuego | simonrvn: This one not only compiled, but also booted AND mounted an HFSplus partition! |
| 02:49.23 | simonrvn | rixth: depends, ogg for size, and flac for editing |
| 02:49.26 | CasaNova | green_earz: I have an error in console that there is no space available on device (when it tries to cp /path\grub |
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| 02:49.40 | simonrvn | or raw for editing. but i'm not a pro or anything |
| 02:49.44 | rixth | simonrvn, what about for portability? (mp3 players etc) |
| 02:49.47 | rixth | Acc |
| 02:49.53 | rixth | *snigger* |
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| 02:49.55 | fixprint | hi, what sarge packages are needed to get a USB printer to work for local use only? |
| 02:49.57 | simonrvn | i wouldn't *get* an mp3 player |
| 02:50.00 | rixth | aac* |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | cups? |
| 02:50.09 | rixth | simonrvn, what are the other options? |
| 02:50.14 | cafuego | fixprint: A supported printer and cupsys/cupsys-bsd |
| 02:50.23 | green_earz | CasaNova: boot the cd and let it run up to the network config part of the install. and the use the go back option to get to the main menu. and the intregrity check option is there |
| 02:50.43 | simonrvn | hold on something came up, and my mail is non-functional until i fix it |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's broken perhaps? |
| 02:51.01 | fixprint | ok, it dont find the printer... is supported though... any symlinks in /dev or adduser commands needed? |
| 02:51.15 | CasaNova | green_earz _ Oh I did see that - when it bombs out at grub install it drops me at menu. I went back and forth a few steps but grub fails evertime with no space availabel error. I'll try that. |
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| 02:51.43 | |XO| | anyone of a good hosting manager type program(ie cpanel) that works well with debian? |
| 02:51.52 | simonrvn | fixed. i come prepared ;) |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | vi! |
| 02:52.06 | cafuego | |XO|: ssh/vim |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org |
| 02:52.29 | green_earz | CasaNova: so just check the cd to see if its ok. if so ??? |
| 02:52.45 | simonrvn | rixth: well, i'm not up on the "latest and greatest", but i'd use those and some others depending on what i was doing, and try to avoid converting as much as possible. |
| 02:53.02 | |XO| | cafuego i want to allow non-tech users to be able to manage thier own "site" |
| 02:53.28 | cafuego | |XO|: Why would they need to do that? Set one up and allow them .htaccess |
| 02:53.49 | green_earz | CasaNova: have you tryed lilo to see if will install ? |
| 02:54.04 | fixprint | cafuego: hey... thanks... I have usblp driver loaded and shows printer detecting at boottime but dont work in xwindows apps |
| 02:54.50 | cafuego | fixprint: install cupsys, go to http://lcoalhost:621 to set it up. |
| 02:55.09 | fixprint | cafuego: ok.. |
| 02:55.48 | zignig | |XO|: http://freshmeat.net/redir/dtc/22759/url_homepage/www.gplhost.com |
| 02:55.54 | fixprint | cafuego: says connection refused |
| 02:56.20 | cafuego | fixprint: start it |
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| 02:56.45 | fixprint | cafuego: Starting printing system service: cupsd |
| 02:56.50 | CasaNova | green-earz: I ran check and CD came back OK |
| 02:57.00 | Cyis | anyone running openAFS? |
| 02:57.05 | fixprint | cafuego: same error |
| 02:57.05 | CasaNova | I wrote down exact error in console when I ran grub install from installer |
| 02:57.30 | zignig | Cyis: tried twice, it's spozed to be really good , if you can set it up ;/ |
| 02:57.32 | CasaNova | green-earz: "Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time" |
| 02:57.54 | Guerin | CasaNova: that's not an error |
| 02:58.01 | Guerin | it DOES take a long time |
| 02:58.03 | Cyis | zignig: that seems to be the problem for me right now... the docs in /usr/share/doc/openafs-server are not exactly up to date |
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| 02:58.13 | CasaNova | green-earz: "cp: writing '/boot/grub/minix_stage1_5': no space left on device" |
| 02:58.29 | CasaNova | green-earz: I just copied last 2 lines since they repeated every time I tried. |
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| 02:58.58 | jon_ | ok, i got debian all installed on my computer |
| 02:58.59 | green_earz | CasaNova: try install lilo instead |
| 02:58.59 | CasaNova | I created hda1 as /boot while partitioning and made it 8MB. |
| 02:59.03 | fixprint | cafuego: you there? cant connect... im usng firefox as a regular user... whats goin on? |
| 02:59.06 | jon_ | but, its all pixally |
| 02:59.26 | CasaNova | green-earz: OK I'll give it a whirl, is it hard to overwrite LILO with grub after install? |
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| 02:59.28 | Cyis | zignig: so far I'm having issues with bosserver |
| 02:59.30 | jim | CasaNova: 8 mb?! you probably need about 20 |
| 02:59.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi all, how do I check for errors on my hard drive? |
| 02:59.39 | zignig | Cyis: have a look on the net, IBM use it internally so it _got_ to be good. |
| 02:59.48 | CasaNova | jim: For /boot? I thought 64K was sufficient? |
| 03:00.02 | jon_ | can anyody help me with some stuff |
| 03:00.08 | simonrvn | what? to put a kernel on it? |
| 03:00.09 | jon_ | gnome is all pixally |
| 03:00.59 | zignig | jon_: oh no ! not pixels ! |
| 03:01.05 | CasaNova | '/boot is all alone on its own partition what is sufficient size for 2-3 kernels.... |
| 03:01.31 | CasaNova | I made it 8.2MB thinking it only needed 1-2 MB!? |
| 03:01.41 | Guerin | CasaNova: 20-30 |
| 03:02.06 | Guerin | 16M /boot |
| 03:02.16 | jon_ | i think i selected the wrong video driver or whatever when i installed debian |
| 03:02.16 | CasaNova | Guerin : OOppps then I really probably dont have space -- Oh well off to farmat drive again (I'm getting good at setting up LVM!:-) |
| 03:02.28 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Does anybody know how to check hard drive for errors / problems/ bad sectors and such? |
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| 03:02.48 | CasaNova | green_earz: I'll change partition first then try it again. |
| 03:02.51 | Silveira | Tweak`TG-Owner fsck /dev/hda1 |
| 03:02.59 | green_earz | ok |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | !tell Tweak`TG-Owner about repeat |
| 03:03.13 | CasaNova | Hey Can I jsut delete hda1 and make a hda6 and moutn as /boot? so I don;t have to recreate all my partitions? |
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| 03:03.24 | CasaNova | (I have some free space at end of drive) |
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| 03:03.26 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abrotman re re re remix |
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| 03:03.32 | abrotman | idiot |
| 03:03.36 | jon_ | urrrrrr can anybody help me? |
| 03:03.38 | Guerin | CasaNova: sure |
| 03:03.48 | fixprint | anyone get a USB printer to work? what did you have to do |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | !drxx jon_ |
| 03:03.55 | dpkg | jon_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:03.58 | CasaNova | Guerin: Thanks for the info I'll make it 30 and try grub install again... |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | fixprint: what cafuego told you |
| 03:04.17 | CasaNova | fixprint: make sure device shows up when you plug it in.... |
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| 03:04.20 | fixprint | Guerin: did... its not letting me login |
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| 03:04.28 | fixprint | ok |
| 03:04.30 | CasaNova | I have a USB printer (epson) on this machine,,,, |
| 03:04.32 | Guerin | fixprint: why not? |
| 03:04.42 | fixprint | havent the dlightest why not... sry |
| 03:04.51 | Guerin | fixprint: does it ask you for a login/pass prompt? |
| 03:05.01 | fixprint | Guerin: no |
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| 03:05.14 | Guerin | fixprint: use a sane browser which will, then. Like lynx |
| 03:05.26 | fixprint | Connection refused when atempting to contact |
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| 03:05.37 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 03:05.38 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 03:05.38 | danikata | where i find and download debian sarge d-i rc3 ? |
| 03:05.45 | Guerin | !d-i danikata |
| 03:05.46 | dpkg | danikata, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:05.52 | fixprint | Guerin: do i need lpd installed? |
| 03:06.00 | Guerin | fixprint: no, you need cupsys |
| 03:06.03 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abroto man can I ask again? no one answered, and its off screen. |
| 03:06.09 | fixprint | gotcha... its installed.. |
| 03:06.10 | Guerin | and cupsd must be running, which it does by default |
| 03:06.24 | jon_ | What driver should i choose for a IBM PC Server 330? |
| 03:06.27 | jon_ | yes its old |
| 03:06.34 | fixprint | alright... let me reload the usblp and restart |
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| 03:06.59 | stew | jon_: what video card does it have? |
| 03:07.04 | CasaNova | I'm sorry for that - I went to console 2 and did 'df-h' and sure enough all 8MB are used DOH.. guess I should realized I could use real linux tools to check state of system and save a bunch of time :-) |
| 03:07.07 | Guerin | fixprint: just do /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 03:07.08 | jon_ | i have no clue |
| 03:07.13 | jon_ | how could i check on linux? |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: someone did answer .. use fucking tab completion .. and maybe try asking ##linux |
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| 03:07.17 | stew | jon_: lspci |
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| 03:07.47 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: and your question is kind of vague |
| 03:07.48 | stew | jon_: the vesa driver should pretty much always work |
| 03:07.49 | fixprint | Guerin: done |
| 03:07.58 | Guerin | fixprint: now try again |
| 03:08.01 | Tweak`TG-Owner | tab completion? |
| 03:08.06 | green_earz | CasaNova: so it look like it the partion size |
| 03:08.07 | fixprint | connection refused again....argh |
| 03:08.34 | CasaNova | green_earz, I'll whack hda1 and create a hda5 and mount /boot. |
| 03:08.37 | Guerin | fixprint: what url are you going to? |
| 03:08.45 | fixprint | Guerin: http://localhost:621 |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | !nick completion |
| 03:08.46 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. |
| 03:08.57 | Guerin | fixprint: that's not the url you were given |
| 03:08.59 | CasaNova | hda2 is swap, hda3 / (225MB) and all others are in hda4 LVM part... |
| 03:09.04 | fixprint | Guerin: 127.0.0.1:621 dont work either |
| 03:09.07 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Silveria how do I do it for ext3? |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | how about you read a single man page? |
| 03:09.34 | Guerin | fixprint: netstat plaunt |grep cups |
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| 03:09.40 | fixprint | http://lcoalhost:621 |
| 03:09.45 | fixprint | thats was the url |
| 03:10.08 | fixprint | Guerin: nothing |
| 03:10.19 | CasaNova | fixprint - pretty sure 621 isnt right ...631 ! |
| 03:10.41 | fixprint | ok... brb |
| 03:10.54 | fixprint | 631 work :) |
| 03:11.09 | fixprint | anything in detail i need to do here? |
| 03:11.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:11.13 | CasaNova | fixprint: configurable in cup.conf |
| 03:11.18 | CasaNova | cups.conf I think |
| 03:11.21 | Guerin | no |
| 03:11.25 | Guerin | use the web ui' |
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| 03:11.45 | jon_ | ok i just did the xserver config thing |
| 03:11.48 | jon_ | do i need to restart? |
| 03:11.56 | CasaNova | Follow the prompts... google your printer and Linux and check DB for driver and compatibility.... |
| 03:12.18 | CasaNova | jon_ Restart ! Did you add a video card (just kidding) |
| 03:12.19 | Guerin | jon_: restart X? yes. Reboot? No. |
| 03:12.19 | jon_ | i have an S3 video card |
| 03:12.29 | fixprint | CasaNova: you lost me... sry... first time print setup in linux |
| 03:12.30 | jon_ | how do i restart x? |
| 03:12.31 | Guerin | jon_: you poor bastard |
| 03:12.35 | stew | !s3 |
| 03:12.35 | jon_ | im new to this |
| 03:12.35 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
| 03:12.37 | CasaNova | jon_ Hey me too 4MB is great for Doom III! |
| 03:12.38 | jon_ | :) |
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| 03:12.40 | Guerin | jon_: ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 03:12.54 | jon_ | lol, yes im a newb |
| 03:13.00 | jon_ | thanks for all the help though |
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| 03:13.20 | jon_ | Yes 4MB does own! Im on a Pc server 330, lol very very old |
| 03:13.25 | CasaNova | fixprint. I cant recall the name of the site - but its a Database of pritners and hwo they work under Linux and what Driver to select in Cups.... |
| 03:13.25 | stew | isn't s3 the one that makes you possibly have to go back to x3? |
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| 03:13.51 | CasaNova | Just follow prompts in WEb UI and see if your printer is there - if not search goolgoe for "<your printer> Linux cups" |
| 03:13.51 | jon_ | ok, how to i restart xserver again, sorry lol |
| 03:14.04 | Guerin | jon_: wtf |
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| 03:14.18 | Guerin | 12:12:14 < Guerin> jon_: ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 03:14.29 | kanzure | Guerin: back space |
| 03:14.41 | Guerin | kanzure: what is bksp? |
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| 03:14.51 | fixprint | CasaNova-AFK: thx.. its a HP Deskjet 648C, apt-get install hpijs ? |
| 03:14.54 | kanzure | Guerin: I honestly don't know. I think it's back space |
| 03:15.09 | Guerin | kanzure: my backspace key has 'BkSp' on it |
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| 03:16.28 | Thaiger | Is there a CSV to QIF converter for linux? |
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| 03:18.13 | fixprint | Guerin and CasaNova thx for help :).... one more thing... when i print in Abiword it wants lpr |
| 03:18.26 | Guerin | fixprint: cupsys provides lpr |
| 03:18.40 | fixprint | lpr: lp: unknown printer |
| 03:18.58 | Guerin | that's lpr working |
| 03:19.11 | Guerin | it's erroring, but it's there |
| 03:19.11 | fixprint | ok |
| 03:19.21 | fixprint | let me try to print test page in abi |
| 03:19.26 | danikata | can i update debian sarge rc2 to rc3 ? |
| 03:19.49 | Guerin | danikata: no, because the rc only refers to the installer, not the actual distro |
| 03:19.52 | poonj | hey guys...I have a cups printer setup. do I use lp or lpr to print a file from the console? |
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| 03:20.55 | fixprint | Guerin: abiwork crashin (disappears) when clicking print |
| 03:21.01 | danikata | that mean is im not necessary to replace my debian sarge rc2 to rc3, if i want to go update |
| 03:21.09 | Guerin | fixprint: that's abiword for ya |
| 03:21.18 | heviarti | anyone here use cups with an HP LaserJEt? |
| 03:21.23 | fixprint | Guerin: great... |
| 03:21.26 | Guerin | danikata: not necessary. If rc2 works, use it. |
| 03:21.32 | abrotman | is'nt there a #cups ? |
| 03:21.37 | heviarti | i need to make it buffer for small memory.. |
| 03:21.40 | ecfx | heviarti, yea |
| 03:21.43 | ecfx | works great |
| 03:21.47 | ecfx | Everything autoconfigured |
| 03:21.48 | danikata | oke, thanks Guerin |
| 03:21.55 | Guerin | yeah, we have all manner of printer hassles in here today |
| 03:22.10 | heviarti | ecfx: right, but i've got a LaserJet... so it has small memory |
| 03:22.20 | heviarti | ecfx: overflows every time |
| 03:22.32 | heviarti | abrotman: yeah.. noone there is alive |
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| 03:23.43 | fixprint | Guerin: just tryed to print a web apge an no go :( |
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| 03:27.08 | abrotman | hey .. if you install .. like .. german linux .. is root still root? |
| 03:27.13 | abrotman | err linux in german |
| 03:27.34 | streuner | heh? |
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| 03:28.16 | streuner | valdyn_: you never sleep? |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | streuner: you do? |
| 03:28.50 | streuner | abrotman: just awake :-) |
| 03:29.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:29.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:37.22 | tictac | got a bit of a problem. for some reason my fluxbox menu isnt the normal debian menu, yet its the fluxbox default menu with xterm, restart, and exit |
| 03:37.25 | tictac | any ideas? |
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| 03:38.19 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 03:38.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:38.19 | daye | in kde terminal session, there are selections for Linux Console, Root Console. What's the diff? |
| 03:38.46 | Guerin | daye: one is presumably a user shell, the other a root shell |
| 03:39.20 | bonez41 | the KGB? |
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| 03:39.39 | daye | but one can also login to kde as root, what's the use of root console then? |
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| 03:39.55 | Guerin | never log into kde as root |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | ever, for any reason, under any circumstance |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | s |
| 03:40.31 | Guerin | kdm should actually PREVENT you from logging in as root |
| 03:40.31 | daye | why? |
| 03:40.32 | tictac | .fluxbox/init points to .fluxbox/menu hmm. |
| 03:40.37 | Guerin | daye: security |
| 03:40.43 | johnga1t | is there a way to disable the need for user's PW when issuing a sudo? |
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| 03:40.55 | Guerin | johnga1t: man sudoers; don't. |
| 03:41.00 | daye | as long as i'm offline, no security problem, right? |
| 03:41.09 | htaccess | i seem to be using xdm how do i switch to xdm? |
| 03:41.15 | Guerin | daye: no. |
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| 03:41.26 | johnga1t | (how can i make :: ssh user@host1 "ssh user@host2 \"sudo somecommand\" " :: be non-interactive ?) |
| 03:41.30 | htaccess | er gdm |
| 03:41.38 | daye | what security problem then? |
| 03:41.46 | johnga1t | Guerin: yea, i know it's not safe. but i need to restart a remote service via a script |
| 03:42.11 | Guerin | johnga1t: log in as root |
| 03:42.16 | streuner | htaccess: apt-get install gdm? |
| 03:42.20 | johnga1t | Guerin: no way. not enabling root over ssh. |
| 03:42.27 | Danar | can anyone tell me why i can't make outgoing web connections with the following firewall rule implemented: Accept if protocol is TCP and input interface is eth0 and TCP flags SYN (of SYN) are not set and source port is 80 |
| 03:42.33 | Guerin | daye: security is as much you being stupid enough to to delete your whole /var dir by an inadvertant click of the mouse |
| 03:42.36 | Guerin | johnga1t: why not? |
| 03:42.49 | Danar | though it works when i remove the part about SYN flags |
| 03:42.52 | htaccess | is there some debconf thing i can run? |
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| 03:43.13 | jamie^ | johnga1t: use private keys without a passphrase for ssh, sudo to run the command (restrict it to only the command you want run) - man sudoers |
| 03:43.16 | Guerin | johnga1t: anyway, in the case of one particular command, you can use the NOPASSWD directive in sudoers. |
| 03:43.24 | daye | ah, but that is unavoidable unless you never operate as root, which is not possible for a single user system. |
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| 03:44.06 | johnga1t | Guerin: it's for a user who has sudo priveleges on this command. |
| 03:44.06 | Guerin | daye: it is much easier to break things when everything in your gui is root than when you specifically have to open a shelll for it |
| 03:44.07 | Guerin | johnga1t: man sudoers; the answer really is in there. |
| 03:44.26 | Danar | anyone? |
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| 03:44.49 | johnga1t | Guerin: thanks. sorry for not RTFMing a bit more thoroughly |
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| 03:45.13 | Guerin | lunchi! |
| 03:45.37 | jamie^ | Danar: source port 80? if it's outgoing, it won't be 80.. you should have dest port 80.. |
| 03:45.56 | daye | does root have to operate in command-line mode (clm) only? |
| 03:46.06 | Danar | jamie^: "and INPUT interface is..." ;) |
| 03:46.26 | Danar | it's an input rule |
| 03:46.26 | bob2 | daye: no |
| 03:47.03 | Danar | if i specify that the syn flag must not be set, the connection doesn't work |
| 03:47.09 | daye | not also in X, then how? |
| 03:47.11 | jamie^ | Danar: "tell me why i can't make outgoing web connections" |
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| 03:47.27 | Danar | jamie^: meaning, i'm initiating the connection |
| 03:47.54 | Danar | so i'm sending the syn, not them. and they're replying from that port, so it should be accepted, no? |
| 03:48.10 | johnga1t | Guerin: thanks. all is good. |
| 03:48.17 | bob2 | daye: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:48.22 | Danar | or does that rule block a SYN/ACK as well? |
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| 03:49.47 | Danar | hm, i suspect it does. anyone know for sure? |
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| 03:49.54 | Poseiden | anybody got any ideas of something cool to do out in Alaska? |
| 03:50.16 | Danar | Poseiden: ride a skidoo? :p |
| 03:50.16 | streuner | IRC? |
| 03:50.41 | Danar | Poseiden: visit the pole? |
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| 03:51.00 | Danar | and be in multiple time zones at once |
| 03:51.38 | daye | bob2, nothing much, just a single user system, i have been using root for almost everything, i have been told it is wrong (not secure), but when i set up another user, i notice i can't initiate a connection to web. |
| 03:51.50 | bob2 | then something else is wrong |
| 03:52.00 | bob2 | unless you mean "can't connect via ppp or pppoe" |
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| 03:54.25 | daye | bob2, nothing wrong it ppp, it works fine in root, the driver was set up as root, now non-root cannot start it, it got to do with privilege. my problem is i find it difficult not to work as root. |
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| 03:55.13 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 03:55.31 | bob2 | it'd be cool if you just said that |
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| 03:55.50 | NeoBREED | hi |
| 03:55.51 | bob2 | "I can't connect using ppp or pppoe as a non-root user" is a very simple problem for us yo help you with |
| 03:56.02 | NeoBREED | I was here earlier |
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| 03:56.14 | NeoBREED | I got the installation of Debian with the sarge netCD |
| 03:56.15 | Guerin | adduser yourusername dip |
| 03:56.20 | Guerin | daye: ^^ |
| 03:56.34 | NeoBREED | besides the base system... |
| 03:56.39 | NeoBREED | I installed wmaker |
| 03:56.42 | NeoBREED | and fluxbox |
| 03:56.45 | NeoBREED | bash |
| 03:56.50 | NeoBREED | I can't do startx |
| 03:56.53 | Guerin | NeoBREED: just use one line per thought |
| 03:57.05 | Guerin | NeoBREED: you also need to install x-window-system-core |
| 03:57.06 | NeoBREED | sorry |
| 03:57.09 | bob2 | NeoBREED: try to use complete sentences |
| 03:57.10 | NeoBREED | thanks |
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| 03:57.22 | NeoBREED | haha... jeez... you guys are pretty mean eh |
| 03:57.31 | NeoBREED | alright |
| 03:57.33 | NeoBREED | I will try that |
| 03:57.37 | NeoBREED | brb |
| 03:58.53 | Tweak`TG-Owner | debian 64 sux |
| 03:58.56 | daye | let's work with a scenario. say now i want to install a package. my system boot-up to kde. how now? do i have to ctrl-alt-f1 to go to text mode to do apt-get? |
| 03:59.24 | notty | no |
| 03:59.28 | notty | you can open a console |
| 03:59.34 | Guerin | daye: you open a konsole, type su <enter> and enter your root pass |
| 03:59.34 | notty | like "konsole" program |
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| 04:00.18 | daye | that would be in X, right? |
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| 04:00.24 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:00.37 | Guerin | i'm stupid |
| 04:00.42 | Guerin | daye: yes. |
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| 04:01.02 | daye | i thought root cannot use X. |
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| 04:01.24 | Guerin | daye: you run a shell as a user, then you use 'su' to assume root privileges |
| 04:02.09 | Guerin | the terminal emulator itself is still owned and run by the user. |
| 04:02.30 | doleyb | daye: in kde, push alt-f2, then type "kdesu synaptic" |
| 04:02.56 | doleyb | daye: that's if you like to use X gui things to install |
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| 04:04.07 | daye | let's start from kde login screen, i login as a non-root user, right? |
| 04:04.25 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:04.41 | daye | after this, i open a terminal screen? |
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| 04:05.15 | Guerin | yes... konsole |
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| 04:05.40 | daye | ok, fater this, can i run the apt-get command? |
| 04:06.05 | doleyb | daye: before apt-get, you must "su" |
| 04:06.38 | BullWeivez | anyone any good with modems? Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A So that should mean I have a device at ttyS00 but in /dev/tty i dont have a S00 Nor can I get minicom to connect to it...what am i doing wrong ??? |
| 04:06.43 | Guerin | !tell daye about fundamentals |
| 04:06.46 | daye | ok, login as su. |
| 04:06.50 | Guerin | no |
| 04:07.08 | Guerin | su is a program which allows you to Switch User |
| 04:07.15 | Guerin | that's what it means, see |
| 04:07.21 | daye | you say you must "su" |
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| 04:07.33 | daye | ok, fine. |
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| 04:07.42 | Guerin | if you do 'su' without any other parameters, it presumes you want root and asks for the root password |
| 04:08.41 | daye | technically inaccurate. once, i am su, i am root, once i complete what i want to do as root, return to non-root. right? |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | once you su, THAT SHELL ONLY is root. |
| 04:09.24 | Guerin | once you're finished, type 'exit' and you'll be back out to your user login |
| 04:09.43 | Guerin | while you do this, all other shells and apps you open are run as your user |
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| 04:09.59 | Guerin | this is all about the minimal force doctrine |
| 04:10.05 | Guerin | it's simple stuff really |
| 04:10.11 | daye | ok, i am clear now, thanks a lot. |
| 04:10.52 | Guerin | daye: ok, you need to go and read up a bit on unix permissions and so on. The fundamentals thing in the factoid I sent you is a good start. |
| 04:10.56 | donavan | anyone have recommendation for a good general purpose password manager? -- with copy to clipboard, etc.... |
| 04:11.06 | daye | other case about not irc as root, why? security again? |
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| 04:12.07 | Guerin | daye: the main reason to do NOTHING as root is security. |
| 04:12.13 | jamie^ | donavan: try kwallet maybe? you could try searching on freshmeat, p.d.o / apt-get search .. |
| 04:12.46 | donavan | I've tried freshmeat they all stink |
| 04:12.51 | Guerin | daye: this is particularly true for internet-connected apps - if you irc as root and someone exploits a vulnerability in your irc client, they have root. if they do it as a user, they only get user privileges. |
| 04:12.59 | jamie^ | donavan: well roll your own.. |
| 04:13.39 | donavan | :) too busy with other projects :) |
| 04:13.43 | jamie^ | donavan: or supply patches, suggestions etc. |
| 04:13.53 | donavan | ditto |
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| 04:13.59 | jamie^ | donavan: tough luck then. |
| 04:14.18 | donavan | I was using pwmanager, but it's eating my x86_64 boxes for some reason :( |
| 04:14.29 | _zardoz | seems i have a bit of a noob question but when i install a app it says cant find mysql.h and i have mysql 4.1 installed seems i need something else what is it ? |
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| 04:14.45 | Guerin | donavan: a good general purpose password manager is called 'brain' |
| 04:14.57 | donavan | har har |
| 04:15.05 | streuner | _zardoz: you need the dev packages of it |
| 04:15.05 | Guerin | it's installed by default, but you might have to hack it to get full functionality |
| 04:15.07 | jamie^ | _zardoz: probably the mysql*-dev package |
| 04:16.11 | streuner | donavan: yeah, store them in your brain |
| 04:16.32 | _zardoz | apt-get worx for that ? |
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| 04:16.34 | streuner | !find mysql |
| 04:16.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mysql' (15 of 88): acidlab-mysql ;; alamin-mysql ;; aspseek-libmysqldb ;; bacula-director-mysql ;; cl-sql-mysql ;; courier-authmysql ;; cvm-mysql ;; dbf2mysql ;; dbmail-mysql ;; dpsyco-mysql ;; freeradius-mysql ;; gambas-gb-db-mysql ;; gda-mysql ;; gda2-mysql ;; gnokii-smsd-mysql. |
| 04:16.44 | jamie^ | _zardoz: yes |
| 04:16.47 | streuner | _zardoz: which distro do you use? |
| 04:16.55 | _zardoz | sarge |
| 04:17.13 | streuner | _zardoz: apt-cache search mysql dev? |
| 04:17.16 | _zardoz | seems i cant find it in apt-cache search |
| 04:17.26 | daye | Guerin: thanks for the lessons on root and security. I'll have to go set up my system to connect up and surf as non-root. |
| 04:17.45 | _zardoz | ohh now i found |
| 04:17.49 | _zardoz | libmysqlclient ? |
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| 04:18.27 | streuner | !find mysql.h |
| 04:18.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.h' (6 of 26): (/usr/share/doc/roundup/doc/mysql.html) in web/roundup ;; (/usr/share/doc/gnade-doc/mysql.html) in doc/gnade-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/cl-sql/html/mysql.html) in devel/cl-sql ;; (/usr/include/postfix/dict_mysql.h) in devel/postfix-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.mysql.html) in doc/phpdoc ;; (/usr/share/doc/cvm-dev/cvm-mysql.html) in libdevel/cvm-dev. |
| 04:18.41 | streuner | !tell _zardoz about search |
| 04:18.43 | bucky | _zardoz, libmysqlclient10-dev i think |
| 04:18.59 | _zardoz | well i took 14 |
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| 04:19.16 | NeoBREED | hi |
| 04:19.27 | bucky | good |
| 04:19.39 | NeoBREED | things are working with my debian installer |
| 04:19.49 | NeoBREED | however, there's an issue with the graphics |
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| 04:20.35 | NeoBREED | where do I go to fix the video mode? |
| 04:21.08 | Overand | NeoBREED: xwindows graphics, graphics in the installer, console 'graphics' ? |
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| 04:21.23 | bucky | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:21.28 | vorpit | ok, i'm in a bad situation - my (linux) router decided it doesn't want to boot up, and i can't seem to find the bios boot menu key |
| 04:21.45 | Overand | vorpit: try escape, delete, f1, f2, spacebar |
| 04:21.50 | Overand | also, control-alt-escape sometimes |
| 04:21.56 | Skrot | Hi, how can I tell debian to run the command "echo 1 >> /prod/drivers/acerhk/wirelessled" each time I start it? :) |
| 04:21.59 | Overand | and sometimes f10, 11, or 12 |
| 04:22.30 | Overand | Skrot: learn about /etc/init.d and the /etc/rc0.d/ - /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 04:22.36 | irreverentrevere | if i plugged an external firewire dvd drive in, what /dev/ should it be under if it is recognized? sda? |
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| 04:23.18 | Skrot | Overand: are there any debian-specific tutorials about it? As far as I've heard there are different runlevels for different things on different distros? |
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| 04:25.09 | vorpit | Operand: ahh, i didn't think of c+a+esc |
| 04:26.02 | vorpit | operand: that's it! I tried all the others in singles about a hundred times each. =) thanks |
| 04:26.09 | Guerin | Skrot: pretty easy: runlevels 2-5 are all the same in debian. you change them if you want to. Use rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf or update-rc.d to do so. |
| 04:26.29 | vorpit | although i still have no idea why it's not booting... gets past the RAM test and then stops |
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| 04:28.06 | hilikussss | is ssh via xinetd possible? |
| 04:28.24 | NeoBREED | hi everyone, I have such an issue with my graphic. I tried the reonfigure the xserver like someone suggested, however, the minotor is not very crisp... it looks like something without the anit-alias on |
| 04:28.31 | NeoBREED | I don't know how to describe it |
| 04:28.39 | NeoBREED | I have a Thinkpad600 |
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| 04:30.00 | vorpit | NeoBREED: how does your config compare to the one on: http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm |
| 04:30.07 | Guerin | NeoBREED: what native resolutions does the lcd have? |
| 04:30.26 | Guerin | hilikussss: ugh. |
| 04:30.39 | hilikussss | why ugh? |
| 04:30.44 | irreverentrevere | what does it take to get a new .deb into the apt repository? |
| 04:30.45 | NeoBREED | I used: 31.5-57.0 H and 50-100 V and I put on the 1024 and the 800 resolutions |
| 04:31.01 | bucky | NeoBREED, that's a NeoMagic video ? |
| 04:31.03 | Guerin | inetds are yucky |
| 04:31.09 | NeoBREED | I think so |
| 04:31.21 | Guerin | NeoBREED: what NATIVE resolution is the screen? |
| 04:31.30 | NeoBREED | I don't understand |
| 04:31.31 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: you're going to need a sponsor, and the package has to meet policy. |
| 04:31.40 | Guerin | 800x600, 1024x768, or what? |
| 04:31.46 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: have you read the NM guide yet? |
| 04:31.52 | NeoBREED | I guess it's 800x600 |
| 04:31.57 | NeoBREED | how would I be able to tell |
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| 04:32.04 | irreverentrevere | dondelelcaro NM guide? no, not yet |
| 04:32.14 | Guerin | NeoBREED: have you run anything else on it before? have you got a manual? |
| 04:32.15 | NeoBREED | I think 1024x768 is possible as well |
| 04:32.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell irreverentrevere -about nm guide |
| 04:32.27 | NeoBREED | I ran stuff like knoppix before |
| 04:32.37 | NeoBREED | and it seems like 1024 is possible |
| 04:32.42 | hilikussss | is it possible Guerin |
| 04:32.44 | irreverentrevere | Thank You |
| 04:32.50 | doleyb | NeoBREED: laptops can only do one resolution well, all other resolutions look bad |
| 04:32.58 | Guerin | NeoBREED: an lcd screen has a set number of pixels. If you choose a resolution which differs from this number, it'll look like shit |
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| 04:33.07 | NeoBREED | yeah |
| 04:33.12 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: if you don't want to actually package it yourself, and just wish someone else would, use reportbug to file an RFP. |
| 04:33.12 | NeoBREED | I think that's the issue |
| 04:33.32 | NeoBREED | should I reonfig the thing and choose only one resolution at a time? |
| 04:33.34 | NeoBREED | to test out |
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| 04:33.38 | Guerin | NeoBREED: use xdpyinfo to find out what it is, and hwinfo to find out what's available |
| 04:34.12 | Guerin | !possible |
| 04:34.13 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 04:34.25 | NeoBREED | how do I display one page at a time again? |
| 04:34.35 | NeoBREED | the command to display one page a t a time |
| 04:34.45 | NeoBREED | more? |
| 04:34.47 | Guerin | |less |
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| 04:35.09 | Guerin | you can alsu use shift-pgup/pgdn to scroll |
| 04:35.11 | streuner | pager? |
| 04:35.28 | vorpit | memory test, "Internal Cache Enabled", "External Cache Enabled", "256k Cache Installed" then that's all she gives me. just quits |
| 04:35.39 | vorpit | any clue what i can do from here? |
| 04:35.53 | NeoBREED | it's 800x600 |
| 04:35.57 | NeoBREED | on th e0 |
| 04:36.02 | hilikussss | is ssh via xinetd possible? |
| 04:36.08 | NeoBREED | I think it's using that.. is that correct? |
| 04:36.28 | peterS | hilikussss: because of the nature of ssh, it's highly inefficient to run it from any inetd |
| 04:36.33 | peterS | hilikussss: so there's not much point |
| 04:36.36 | NeoBREED | screen #0: 800x600 |
| 04:36.45 | hilikussss | what do you sugust to start it up during boot? |
| 04:36.52 | Guerin | NeoBREED: try 1024x768 if hwinfo -monitor says it's available |
| 04:37.01 | peterS | hilikussss: yes |
| 04:37.05 | doleyb | NeoBREED: only if your laptop is like 7 years old should it be 800x600 |
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| 04:37.14 | hilikussss | what do you reccoment? |
| 04:37.20 | hilikussss | reccomend* |
| 04:37.24 | Guerin | hilikussss: run sshd with default settings |
| 04:37.30 | peterS | hilikussss: the debian package asks you during installation whether to start it up at boot time. just answer yes. |
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| 04:38.36 | NeoBREED | I can't see where it says availiable... the only resolution set of numbers are 800x600 |
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| 04:39.26 | Guerin | NeoBREED: then this is an 800x600 display |
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| 04:39.48 | NeoBREED | what can I do to make it look better? |
| 04:40.02 | NeoBREED | do I reconfigure and only choose 800x600? |
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| 04:41.46 | vorpit | oh, dear sweet jesus. the reason my box wasn't booting up? the hdd cable was not plugged into the hdd |
| 04:41.52 | NeoBREED | what's the command to reconfigure the graphic? |
| 04:42.02 | vorpit | that tends to hinder the pc's ability to comunnicate with the drive |
| 04:42.05 | Starfire | nice one vorpit |
| 04:42.14 | peterS | vorpit: yeah, that does make a difference |
| 04:42.18 | __felipe_ | NeoBREED dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:42.26 | Starfire | haha |
| 04:42.35 | NeoBREED | thanks |
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| 04:42.52 | _zardoz | anyone here knows sql good ? and could help me in pm ? |
| 04:43.05 | vorpit | ok, well, thanks all |
| 04:43.18 | streuner | _zardoz: try #mysql |
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| 04:43.49 | simonrvn | ++ for having a snese of humour |
| 04:44.31 | simonrvn | sense* |
| 04:44.47 | streuner | simonrvn: apt-get moo? |
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| 04:46.50 | aldug | I want to setup up three debian servers for webhosting with one central server that has a form that I can pick one of the tree servers and username and domain and it will create a username and apache virtualhost on that server. Is the best way to securely do this with xml-rpc? |
| 04:47.10 | simonrvn | about the hdd cable |
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| 04:48.10 | quicoju | jim: i gave one pass with memtest86, got 0 errors |
| 04:48.57 | aldug | anyone? |
| 04:49.08 | ecfx | Does someone audit all the debian code on debian.org? |
| 04:49.17 | streuner | simonrvn: use a whole sentence |
| 04:49.41 | simonrvn | fartfish |
| 04:50.17 | streuner | that wasn't a whole sentence :-) |
| 04:50.46 | zeeble | put a period at the end, and it is. |
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| 04:51.16 | stouset | Anyone know if there have been any status updates on testing-security and testing-proposed-updates? |
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| 04:52.30 | debiand00d | how do I start a program with a .desktop file from the command line in a terminal window |
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| 04:52.50 | streuner | gdesklets? |
| 04:53.05 | debiand00d | yeah |
| 04:53.12 | streuner | use nautilus |
| 04:53.20 | debiand00d | ok |
| 04:53.27 | streuner | in GNOME |
| 04:53.36 | debiand00d | what about kde |
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| 04:54.36 | edward_ | good day... |
| 04:54.44 | simonrvn | @fartfish streuner |
| 04:54.47 | ravenbird | streuner: fartfish |
| 04:55.33 | quicoju | i got dpkg segfault, appartently not a hardware error, any suggestion? |
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| 04:56.03 | streuner | quicoju: what does BTS say? |
| 04:56.27 | quicoju | sorry, what's the BTS? |
| 04:56.39 | streuner | !bts |
| 04:56.40 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 04:59.28 | quicoju | streuner: Let me check, thanx! |
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| 04:59.45 | crb | I'm trying to find the simplest way to move a local cache of .deb's into a pool dir structure, for remastering an install CD. I've looked at mini-dinstall and apt-move, which both seem to do a bit too much. |
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| 05:00.22 | NeoBREED | hello |
| 05:00.46 | NeoBREED | I have been trying to configure the graphic on my Thinkpad 600 |
| 05:00.49 | NeoBREED | no luck |
| 05:00.53 | streuner | that wasn't a whole sentence :-) - my crystal-thinge is in low stat |
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| 05:01.40 | zeeble | NeoBREED: have you checked linux-laptop.net for your laptop model? |
| 05:01.46 | doleyb | NeoBREED: you set 1024x768, right? |
| 05:01.49 | NeoBREED | it looks really weird.... when I do the switch to another monitor(even though there isn't one), it returns with much better graphic... except that it's not full screen |
| 05:01.57 | NeoBREED | I set it to 800x600 |
| 05:02.00 | NeoBREED | I tried both |
| 05:02.05 | NeoBREED | didn't work |
| 05:02.12 | NeoBREED | now it looks nice... but not full screen |
| 05:02.18 | NeoBREED | dont know what the hell is going on |
| 05:02.19 | NeoBREED | haha |
| 05:02.28 | doleyb | NeoBREED: it should be 1024x768. And did you read http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm ? |
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| 05:02.32 | zeeble | NeoBREED: is it a thinkpad 600 or 600e? |
| 05:02.37 | NeoBREED | 600 |
| 05:02.47 | Gnea | oh how nice, a new way to hijack someone's desktop |
| 05:02.58 | Gnea | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12971/discussion/ |
| 05:03.08 | NeoBREED | ? |
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| 05:03.39 | zeeble | Gnea: hehe. |
| 05:03.55 | Gnea | zeeble: this's gonna be an interesting week :) |
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| 05:04.17 | mngrif | is fuse not in the debian 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:04.22 | zeeble | NeoBREED: as doleyb told you, follow this howto - http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm |
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| 05:04.56 | britt | hi, using sarge...is there any easy way to manually config a USB sound card |
| 05:04.58 | britt | ? |
| 05:05.06 | mngrif | britt: what card? |
| 05:05.18 | britt | well, it's actually a stereo USB interface thing |
| 05:05.24 | mngrif | ah |
| 05:05.31 | britt | but as far as i know its a standard USB interface |
| 05:05.48 | britt | i think ALSA almost had it.... |
| 05:05.54 | britt | but it didnt quite work out |
| 05:05.56 | mngrif | with my soundblaster USB card i had to give it 44800khz input |
| 05:06.15 | britt | see, how do i get alsa to config usb cards? |
| 05:06.23 | britt | or does it "just work" |
| 05:06.27 | mngrif | modprobe usb_audio |
| 05:06.32 | britt | ah |
| 05:06.37 | mngrif | snd_usb_audio* |
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| 05:07.26 | britt | it F'd up |
| 05:07.40 | britt | how does one copy/paste from another console |
| 05:07.51 | mngrif | gpm |
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| 05:08.10 | mngrif | every other package in debian tends to depend on it, so it should be there |
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| 05:08.25 | NeoBREED | lemme retry something |
| 05:08.44 | britt | chernobyl:~# modprobe snd_usb_audio |
| 05:08.44 | britt | usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio |
| 05:08.45 | britt | Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card Set'. done. |
| 05:08.48 | skel_home | is there any tool for debian that will record what I'm doing and allow me to export it to some common compatible format like mpeg for demos? |
| 05:08.56 | mngrif | britt: from now on, #flood and warn us |
| 05:09.03 | britt | yeah sorry |
| 05:09.16 | mngrif | 3 lines is fine, i wouldn't push your luck vs. the bots though :P |
| 05:09.29 | britt | so join #flood and paste there |
| 05:09.31 | britt | ? |
| 05:09.41 | mngrif | from now on |
| 05:09.45 | britt | ok |
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| 05:09.55 | skel_home | britt: or just use something like rafb.net/paste |
| 05:10.13 | britt | i'll write that down |
| 05:10.19 | mngrif | very useful site |
| 05:10.23 | britt | so does anybody know what that means |
| 05:10.24 | britt | ? |
| 05:10.25 | skel_home | that way it doesn't get lost in a sea of coversation |
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| 05:10.41 | mngrif | i've never seen that before |
| 05:10.46 | britt | me either |
| 05:10.53 | skel_home | its mainly for developers |
| 05:10.59 | skel_home | but logs and whatever works |
| 05:11.11 | mngrif | britt: #alsa might know whats causing it |
| 05:11.21 | britt | okay |
| 05:11.26 | slackd00d | !java |
| 05:11.26 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 05:11.37 | britt | can you tell me the right way to paste stuff then? |
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| 05:11.55 | bykte | !u |
| 05:11.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 05:12.20 | NeoBREED | hey everyone, thanks for all your help tonight |
| 05:12.24 | mngrif | britt: whatever is easiest for you |
| 05:12.25 | NeoBREED | I finally got it right |
| 05:12.36 | britt | i dont know how to do the flood thing |
| 05:12.38 | skel_home | so anyone on recording demos in linux? |
| 05:12.41 | NeoBREED | I just changed the depth from 24 to 16 |
| 05:12.43 | britt | i'll try |
| 05:12.44 | nite613 | Heh, that just reminded me of when I was really young and thought that 'you' realy was spelled U but that it needed to be capital like I. I used to underline the U as well, for effect I guess |
| 05:12.45 | NeoBREED | sigh... |
| 05:12.49 | NeoBREED | that was tough |
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| 05:14.01 | doleyb | skel_home: have you tried xvidcap? |
| 05:14.23 | hilikussss | how do i install a .deb file |
| 05:14.29 | doleyb | skel_home: vnc2swf looks cool too. |
| 05:14.30 | mngrif | dpkg --help |
| 05:14.38 | hilikussss | thanks |
| 05:15.06 | skel_home | doleyb: cool thanks :) |
| 05:15.52 | doleyb | skel_home: depending on your system's speed and disk, it might be better to record as PNG and then convert to AVI later... it takes experimentation to get decent speed/size results. |
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| 05:17.15 | skel_home | doleyb: png can be animated? |
| 05:17.26 | skel_home | heh learn something new every day :-P |
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| 05:21.22 | mngrif | skel_home: a series of png images can be converted into avi |
| 05:21.46 | skel_home | ah |
| 05:21.50 | mngrif | skel_home: keep in mind the fps when doing the conversion |
| 05:22.15 | skel_home | well for a desktop demo for something like ethereal.. should be fine.. not worried about a high fps |
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| 05:22.24 | skel_home | but I'll test it out |
| 05:22.49 | mngrif | skel_home: as in you'll need the same fps number when you're encoding to png AND when converting to avi or whatever |
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| 05:24.36 | skel_home | mngrif: ah. I see |
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| 05:24.43 | skel_home | mngrif: ty |
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| 05:25.22 | britt | hey, anybody know how to mount a RAID arraw and what dev device it is listed as? |
| 05:25.25 | sparr_ | how do i get XMMS to play video files? |
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| 05:25.46 | doleyb | skel_home: no, png doesn't animate. You can run mencoder over pngs to create an avi. |
| 05:25.57 | streuner | sparr_: install the plugin |
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| 05:27.12 | doleyb | sparr_: xmms isn't real good for that, though. mplayer or xine are better. |
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| 05:27.45 | quicoju | streuner: i didn't see any similar segfault to the one i get, should i post it as a bug? |
| 05:28.00 | quicoju | in the BTS |
| 05:29.00 | streuner | quicoju: Did you reboot the box and the same error occurs? |
| 05:29.17 | quicoju | streuner: yes |
| 05:30.00 | britt | hello? can someone tell me how to mount a RAID 1 array |
| 05:30.01 | britt | ? |
| 05:30.10 | streuner | quicoju: what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 05:30.13 | britt | or what its called |
| 05:30.29 | britt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:30.48 | quicoju | streuner: pentium III 64M RAM 11G hd |
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| 05:31.16 | streuner | quicoju: just use memtest86 |
| 05:31.56 | quicoju | streuner: yes, i gave 1 pass with memtest86 got 0 errors on memory |
| 05:32.53 | streuner | quicoju: what distro do you use? |
| 05:33.06 | Guerin | memtest86 needs to run for ages ... 24 hours is standard |
| 05:33.27 | mngrif | quicoju: it's also given me false positives |
| 05:33.29 | quicoju | streuner: debian sarge testing/ustable |
| 05:33.46 | streuner | debian sarge testing/unstable? |
| 05:33.47 | Guerin | xmms has a plugin which can call mplayer to play vide files |
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| 05:34.07 | quicoju | streuner sarge testing |
| 05:34.17 | streuner | quicoju: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 05:34.27 | quicoju | streuner: with kernel 2.6 |
| 05:34.38 | quicoju | streuner: let me check |
| 05:36.12 | quicoju | streuner: do i paste it here? |
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| 05:36.25 | streuner | only the version |
| 05:37.04 | quicoju | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 05:37.08 | sparr_ | whats the parameter for gcc to make it ignore newlines inside string constants? |
| 05:37.27 | xerophyte | what is the good DVD burner for linux ? |
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| 05:37.43 | streuner | quicoju: run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
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| 05:38.26 | streuner | quicoju: /j #flood |
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| 05:38.51 | ledestin | xerophyte: dvd+rw-tools |
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| 05:39.26 | Bytewalker | is there anything i should know about installing loonix on a hp laptop before i try? |
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| 05:40.00 | tvn | it's not going to work |
| 05:40.09 | Bytewalker | ha. haw |
| 05:40.11 | __felipe_ | xerophyte : you can use k3b a nice kde frontend to cdrecord, cdrdao and growisofs |
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| 05:40.35 | __felipe_ | xerophyte : growisofs |
| 05:40.35 | xerophyte | thx |
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| 05:42.30 | Starfire | bytewalker, how old is the laptop |
| 05:43.10 | Starfire | ? |
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| 05:44.08 | Starfire | how old is the laptop byte |
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| 05:48.27 | Starfire | anyone home? |
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| 05:49.19 | tvn | :P |
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| 05:50.32 | Starfire | byte how old is your laptop |
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| 05:53.13 | Bytewalker | oh hey, its brand new |
| 05:53.16 | tvn | I think he no longer considers loonix on his hp laptop |
| 05:53.27 | Bytewalker | i just burned woody to a cd |
| 05:53.45 | Bytewalker | WISH ME LUCK K BYE |
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| 05:54.00 | tvn | woahhh .... brand new |
| 05:54.01 | joe666 | hi, in Debian, how can I protect my computer against a code like this one: main(){for( ; ; ){malloc(100000);fork();}} |
| 05:54.05 | britt | can someone tell me how to view dev entries |
| 05:54.12 | britt | ? |
| 05:54.32 | dondelelcaro | joe666: by being intelligent, and setting appropriate ulimits. |
| 05:54.37 | Starfire | ..... |
| 05:54.47 | Starfire | dude hes installing woody?! |
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| 05:54.56 | Starfire | on a brand new laptop!? |
| 05:54.57 | joe666 | dondelelcaro, ok, great, man ulimits ? |
| 05:55.03 | Starfire | thats SO not gonna work...... |
| 05:55.08 | LinuxNIT | can you forward X from a debian machine to a windows machine through ssh? |
| 05:55.11 | dondelelcaro | joe666: help ulimits; actually, also, see /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 05:55.23 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: yes. |
| 05:55.33 | dondelelcaro | s/ulimits/ulimit/ |
| 05:55.56 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: you'll need a X server running on the windows machine as well. xfree via cygwin, or xwin32 |
| 05:55.56 | joe666 | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks a lot, I'll read about it |
| 05:55.59 | britt | please can somebody help me |
| 05:55.59 | britt | ? |
| 05:56.01 | jm_ | joe666: also make sure PAM security module is enabled |
| 05:56.06 | dondelelcaro | (setrlimit and getrlimit may also be useful) |
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| 05:56.12 | jm_ | britt: ls ... |
| 05:56.26 | LinuxNIT | zeeble, is it difficult? |
| 05:56.28 | joe666 | jm_, pam ?, how will pam help me on this ? |
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| 05:56.49 | dondelelcaro | joe666: because pam is what sets up the initial limits using /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 05:56.59 | britt | jm_: no i mean i want to see what /dev entry my RAID array is under....liek /dev/hda1 for example |
| 05:57.01 | dondelelcaro | joe666: which is presumably what you wnat to do at some point in time.. |
| 05:57.10 | dondelelcaro | britt: look at /proc/devices |
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| 05:57.18 | jm_ | joe666: PAM sets it when someone logs into the system, that's how |
| 05:57.23 | raf256 | what should I apt-get to start playing with mono? |
| 05:57.28 | dondelelcaro | (alternatively, /proc/partitions) |
| 05:57.37 | NeoBREED | how do I configure sound for my Thinkpad600? |
| 05:57.39 | jm_ | britt: ahh, /proc/partitions, dmesg, ... |
| 05:57.42 | NeoBREED | I just install alsa |
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| 05:58.03 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: not at all. download xwin32 for windows. it will install a x server, plus you can set it to connect to the remote linux machine and export the x session. alternatively, run xwin32, login to your linux machine with putty(check the options for x forwarding via ssh). |
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| 05:58.05 | joe666 | jm_, ok, thanks a lot |
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| 05:58.41 | quicoju | streuner: do you mean i have to reinstall the whole opterating system? |
| 05:58.53 | streuner | quicoju: yes |
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| 05:59.30 | quicoju | streuner: look here's the error: After unpacking 1278kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 05:59.30 | quicoju | Get:1 http://nisamox.fciencias.unam.mx testing/main dpkg 1.10.27 [1732kB] |
| 05:59.30 | quicoju | Fetched 1732kB in 2m13s (13.0kB/s) |
| 05:59.30 | quicoju | (Reading database ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
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| 05:59.49 | LinuxNIT | zeeble, would it be at all reason able to set up debian machine to act like a server for a home network and allow 2-3 windows machines to run internet programs in this manner to prevent the windows machines from getting viruses? or am i way out in left field? |
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| 06:01.06 | dondelelcaro | quicoju: please don't paste here. |
| 06:01.13 | dondelelcaro | quicoju: see /topic |
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| 06:01.40 | streuner | quicoju: if you fscked your dpkg and thus the package system in debian i don't help to puzzle that out |
| 06:01.42 | quicoju | dondelelcaro: i'm sorrry |
| 06:02.14 | streuner | quicoju: if you using ar and cp those file into folder you have serious issues... |
| 06:02.15 | dondelelcaro | quicoju: as far as your problem goes, most likely one of the databases is corrupted. rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and try again. |
| 06:02.16 | daye | earlier on, i was advised to do 'adduser username dir' to allow a non-root to execute files in a dir. when i do that the err msg was : group 'dir' not found. what is th right way? |
| 06:02.18 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: well yes, it can. and it would work. How about setting up your windows machines to be a little more secure than having to worry about viruses all the time? |
| 06:02.36 | kreg | so are you a Lursa kind of guy, or a Betor kind of guy? |
| 06:02.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: he downloaded dpkg and used ar.... |
| 06:03.23 | quicoju | steuner: i read it in the debian's manual |
| 06:03.43 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that won't refresh apt's databases |
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| 06:04.12 | daye | basically, what to do to make non-root user execute command which is otherwised executable by root only? |
| 06:04.24 | quicoju | dondelelcaro: i'll try it |
| 06:04.25 | dondelelcaro | daye: what command are you talking about? |
| 06:04.26 | LinuxNIT | zeeble, well we run nortons-anitvirus plus firewalls and pop-up blockers and stuff but thing still get though some times just thought this might be a fix for it |
| 06:04.51 | daye | it is my own command script file, created under root. |
| 06:04.52 | LinuxNIT | zeeble, i use debian but the parents cant make the change as easily |
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| 06:05.13 | dondelelcaro | daye: so make it a+rx (755) |
| 06:05.30 | daye | by chmod? |
| 06:05.37 | streuner | dondelelcaro: <quicoju> streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:05.56 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ? |
| 06:06.09 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: 555 |
| 06:06.22 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, I assume it's already u+w |
| 06:06.22 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that make no sense to me |
| 06:06.33 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: ok. Make them use Firefox by default. If most of the work is related to browsing. On Debian, install the new KDE 3.4 or Gnome 2.10. They're pretty easy to use. |
| 06:06.40 | NeoBREED | can someone tell me how to get sound on my thinkpad600? |
| 06:06.49 | daye | the permission of the file is already rwxr-xr-x |
| 06:06.54 | zeeble | LinuxNIT: and yeah, with xwin32, it is very easy to setup the connections. |
| 06:06.54 | _biovore_ | !kde3.4 |
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| 06:07.12 | daye | i mean rwxr-xr-x |
| 06:07.16 | dondelelcaro | daye: well, then the user can execute it. |
| 06:07.21 | Starfire | whats xwin32 lol |
| 06:07.24 | LinuxNIT | well my mom uses quick books and the parents font learn new programs very well |
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| 06:07.28 | LinuxNIT | zeeble, thanks for the help. its much appreciated |
| 06:07.39 | jm_ | NeoBREED: load the modules for it |
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| 06:08.10 | daye | it complain that command 'x' is not found, where 'x' it is program within the script. |
| 06:08.23 | dondelelcaro | daye: why not just tell me that to start with? |
| 06:08.40 | daye | i don't get you. |
| 06:08.45 | quicoju | dondelelcaro, streuner: too bad for me, removing the *bin didn't work, is there anything else i could try? |
| 06:08.51 | dondelelcaro | daye: if you're calling a program, it has to be in your PATH. |
| 06:09.09 | streuner | dondelelcaro: if he puzzled with dpkg who knows what he done... |
| 06:09.12 | daye | everthing works fine under root. |
| 06:09.12 | dondelelcaro | quicoju: run strace -o out apt-get install dpkg; or whatever you're running. paste the last few hundred lines using the paste bot. |
| 06:09.29 | streuner | !flood |
| 06:09.29 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 06:09.30 | dondelelcaro | daye: yes, because the command you're calling isn't in the user's path. |
| 06:09.42 | dondelelcaro | daye: specify the absolute path to the utility. |
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| 06:10.15 | quicoju | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:10.18 | daye | donde, the trouble is there are many programs in the script file. |
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| 06:10.43 | dondelelcaro | daye: what is the *exact* error that you are getting? |
| 06:10.55 | daye | command 'x' not found. |
| 06:10.58 | muwu | Is it possible to have 58% free Real RAM free, while having almost full swap? 50% of 512M RAM free, while 96% of 2 gig swap is full. |
| 06:11.09 | daye | where x is a program in the script. |
| 06:11.20 | dondelelcaro | daye: don't interpret the error. Give me the exact message. |
| 06:11.25 | dondelelcaro | muwu: yes. |
| 06:11.50 | daye | '/usr/sbin/x': command x not found. |
| 06:12.12 | dondelelcaro | !+find usr/sbin/x |
| 06:12.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/x' (9 of 25): (/usr/sbin/xteld) in comm/xtel ;; (/usr/sbin/xtelld) in net/xtell ;; (/usr/sbin/xringd) in comm/xringd ;; (/usr/sbin/xttpd) in science/xtide ;; (/usr/sbin/xqmstats) in admin/quota ;; (/usr/sbin/xmcdconfig) in sound/xmcd ;; (/usr/sbin/xferstats) in net/wu-ftpd ;; (/usr/sbin/xjdicconfig) in text/xjdic ;; (/usr/sbin/xresprobe) in x11/xresprobe. |
| 06:12.19 | muwu | dondelelcaro, that's bad right? I thought linux is supposed to be responsible... |
| 06:12.24 | streuner | LSorensen: /usr/sbin/x: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 06:12.25 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# |
| 06:12.48 | dondelelcaro | muwu: pages get swapped out when they aren't being actively used... basically the system should be using memory as efficiently as possible. |
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| 06:13.12 | dondelelcaro | muwu: but before I go any further, paste the output of free; using the paster bot. |
| 06:13.14 | muwu | while downloading documentaries using Amule/emule on a different hard drive using diff. ide chan, and merely watching high quality documentary through mplayer with -vo xv channel, my system was crawling occationary. |
| 06:13.39 | muwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.39 | muwu | Mem: 516500 504724 11776 0 4528 241140 |
| 06:13.39 | muwu | -/+ buffers/cache: 259056 257444 |
| 06:13.39 | muwu | Swap: 1951856 1743440 208416 |
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| 06:14.01 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... reading comprehension strikes again... |
| 06:14.06 | daye | donde: no, no. i type in my script 'modemgo'. response is: /usr/bin/modemgo: line 10: amload.sh: command not found. |
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| 06:14.30 | karthik_2000b | Greetings :) |
| 06:14.38 | jm_ | maybe he thought he's the paster bot ;))) |
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| 06:14.57 | NeoBREED | jm_: how do I load the sound modules? |
| 06:14.57 | cafuego | 2GB swap? |
| 06:14.58 | streuner | muwu: don't flood the channel, thanks. |
| 06:15.06 | muwu | sorry.. |
| 06:15.10 | muwu | forgot about #flood |
| 06:15.16 | poco | hi don't known if anyone could help me but i've got a little problem with apt/dpkg |
| 06:15.22 | jm_ | NeoBREED: tried modconf? |
| 06:15.26 | muwu | but it was only four short lines~~! |
| 06:15.32 | dondelelcaro | muwu: you've got close to 2G worth of crapola loaded into memory. There's no way that's not going to be slow. |
| 06:15.38 | jm_ | NeoBREED: do you have hotplug installed? |
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| 06:15.47 | poco | something like: dpkg: parse error, ... near line 2 package value for `status' field not allowed |
| 06:15.48 | furrywolf | hrmm. can't mount one of my drives. /me doesn't know why. |
| 06:15.51 | NeoBREED | I don't know |
| 06:15.53 | streuner | muwu: 2 lines are usually enough |
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| 06:15.59 | muwu | dondelcaro, but what stuff? |
| 06:16.04 | NeoBREED | jm_: I just installed debian with alsa |
| 06:16.04 | furrywolf | mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 06:16.07 | poco | after an apt-get which reboot me (on hurd k8) |
| 06:16.08 | dondelelcaro | muwu: run ps axfu; and see what you've got loaded. |
| 06:16.09 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Well, if that's 2GB of KDE that's just swapped out and not moving, it's fine ;-) |
| 06:16.11 | furrywolf | yet it isn't mounted and /mnt isn't busy! |
| 06:16.11 | jm_ | NeoBREED: well find out |
| 06:16.18 | NeoBREED | so it's just the basic kernel and alsa |
| 06:16.47 | Zibar | im having trouble getting my sound system to work - i have an onboard sound system (intel high definition audio) based on the Realtek ALC880 codec .... |
| 06:16.53 | NeoBREED | jm_: I'm installing modconf now |
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| 06:17.07 | Zibar | im running debian sarge - 2.6.8-2-2-686-smp |
| 06:17.17 | peterS | Zibar: should be the snd-intel8x0 driver, no? |
| 06:17.19 | furrywolf | no mention of it in mtab either. wtf. |
| 06:17.25 | muwu | just flooded #flood with my top |
| 06:17.31 | daye | donde: no, no. i type in my script 'modemgo'. response is: /usr/bin/modemgo: line 10: amload.sh: command not found. |
| 06:17.35 | Zibar | it doesnt show up in modconf |
| 06:17.59 | muwu | dondelelcaro, barely anything.. |
| 06:18.21 | peterS | Zibar: look under kernel/sound/pci/ |
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| 06:18.44 | jm_ | NeoBREED: you should also try using snd-intel8x0 module at first |
| 06:18.49 | peterS | Zibar: note also, there are both snd-intel8x0 and snd-intel8x0m. the latter is actually for a winmodem, not a sound chip |
| 06:18.52 | furrywolf | any ideas? I'm stumped. :) |
| 06:18.59 | dondelelcaro | muwu: there's no way that's everything |
| 06:19.02 | Zibar | ok thx |
| 06:19.18 | muwu | dondelelcaro, it basically is... |
| 06:19.28 | dondelelcaro | "basically" |
| 06:19.46 | dondelelcaro | you've got pids in the 19ks... |
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| 06:19.57 | NeoBREED | jm_: it said can't find it |
| 06:20.00 | muwu | dondelelcaro, though I might have done something kinda extreme.. I tried to load 50M RTF document file using Kwrite... I left it over night and it haven't finished loading after 12 hours. |
| 06:20.09 | furrywolf | mount says it's already mounted and/or mountpoint is busy... but it's not mounted, mount point isn't busy, and there's no mention of either in mtab... and mount -v gives nothing extra. |
| 06:20.20 | NeoBREED | jm_: and I can't install any module into kernel with modconf |
| 06:20.27 | muwu | I wonder if there is a way to read a 50meg uncompressed txt file. :( |
| 06:20.41 | dondelelcaro | muwu: uh... that's probably it. |
| 06:20.42 | jm_ | NeoBREED: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:20.50 | NeoBREED | I believe so |
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| 06:21.09 | muwu | dondelelcaro, i don't get it.. loading 1 gig divix file doesn't crap the system, but loading 50 meg text file does? |
| 06:21.32 | jrr | muwu: video players expect to have huge files, and thus only read a bit of it at at ime |
| 06:21.36 | jrr | *time |
| 06:21.37 | Zibar | ok found it - ive also added mmy user to audio group and installed aumix .... still no sound though .... kmix doesnt have any options in the mixer field .... |
| 06:21.40 | NeoBREED | jm_: on my gkrellm it says hta tI have linux 2.4 |
| 06:21.41 | muwu | also, how do I clear my swap manually? is this necessary? Normally in windows XP, as soon as I kill offending program, swap goes down. |
| 06:21.42 | dondelelcaro | muwu: you need to actually look at how much memory kwrite is actually using... |
| 06:21.45 | jrr | i'd imagine most text editors just read the whole thing into a buffer |
| 06:21.52 | dondelelcaro | muwu: you don't need to touch your swap at all. |
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| 06:22.00 | dondelelcaro | muwu: just murder off whatever is using all of your memory. |
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| 06:22.01 | jm_ | NeoBREED: 2.4 doesn't have ALSA |
| 06:22.17 | cafuego | jm_: As external packages, it certainly does. |
| 06:22.18 | muwu | ic... so in linux, swap doesn't get flashed until it is needed. |
| 06:22.18 | jm_ | unless Debian kernels are patched |
| 06:22.20 | NeoBREED | jm_: so I installed Alsa with apt-get... |
| 06:22.31 | jm_ | NeoBREED: right, and modconf doesn't show any modules? |
| 06:22.37 | NeoBREED | no |
| 06:22.50 | jm_ | NeoBREED: are they in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ? |
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| 06:23.48 | daye | my gnome settings cannot stay. when an application window font is small, i'll go to gnome control center to set it right. but after re-boot, it goes back to the original small size. why? |
| 06:23.50 | Guerin | muwu: you basically never need to manage memory in a linux os... the kernel does it very well. the most you might need to do is kill something which has run away |
| 06:23.54 | muwu | another question... why does my computer get slowed down when Amule/Emule is downloading a lot of stuff (usually over 100kiloBytes) or combining bits of stuff to finish downloading... ? I mean if the hard drive I am using for bittorrent/amule is on the same EIDE, I would understand, but it's not.. Linux is supposed to be robust.. |
| 06:24.06 | NeoBREED | jm_: there's only a folder that says 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 06:24.11 | Guerin | daye: ask #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 06:24.19 | NeoBREED | jm_: should I try to update my kernel to 2.6? |
| 06:24.28 | Starfire | is there a better p2p program than gtk-gnutella? just wondering |
| 06:24.36 | Guerin | muwu: what's slow? disk access or cpu? |
| 06:24.44 | Guerin | Starfire: lftp |
| 06:24.54 | daye | if anyone knows, why not just answer it? |
| 06:25.02 | Starfire | guerin hmm.... |
| 06:25.12 | muwu | i am surprised that linux cannot do what Windows XP used to do.. have a bittorrent client, emule client running, Thunderbird in the background, while watching full sized divx. |
| 06:25.14 | Guerin | daye: I don't; someone else might, but in any case you're liable to get more help there. |
| 06:25.15 | jm_ | NeoBREED: no, run "cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) && ls -lR > /tmp/lst.out" and paste the result somewhere (not in this channel, "/msg dpkg paste") |
| 06:25.29 | Starfire | guerin peer to peer, not ftp lmao |
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| 06:25.38 | daye | have you try it, most of the groups are dead. |
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| 06:25.51 | patad | could someone help me bypass the schools blocked ports? |
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| 06:26.08 | muwu | Guerin, both... DMA is turned on.. but it seems slow.. but most importantly, Mplayer -vo xv -pp 3 takes up more than 30% of my cpu cycles... on AMD XP 2500... I am using the default ATI driver from Xorg... |
| 06:26.15 | Guerin | muwu: trolling isn't going to help you. There are a shitload of reasons why that might be; from graphic driver accelleration to background services, to directx to different apps and ... |
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| 06:26.41 | Guerin | muwu: then you're not running debian, so I'm not sure why you're complaiuning to us. |
| 06:26.43 | daye | guerin: i still have this problem about starting a program in non-root. earlier i had a chat with you on that. |
| 06:27.05 | muwu | Guerin, true... but since I made complete switch three weeks ago.. I kinda want to optimize system... forget games..but at least I want to have a robust system. |
| 06:27.14 | Guerin | and it's well known that ATI's linux support is shite... I'm not sure about that specific driver, but that's a likely cause/. |
| 06:27.22 | NeoBREED | jm_: /msg dpkg pate |
| 06:27.29 | NeoBREED | jm_: /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:27.31 | NeoBREED | ? |
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| 06:27.37 | NeoBREED | ah gosh darn it |
| 06:27.38 | Guerin | daye: which program do you want to start as non-root? |
| 06:27.40 | NeoBREED | I'm an idiot |
| 06:27.43 | muwu | btw, glxgears is giving me 1100 FPS... |
| 06:27.50 | dondelelcaro | ah, paté |
| 06:27.51 | Guerin | muwu: that's pretty shit |
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| 06:27.54 | shuveb | hi, are separate packages for us and non-us still maintained? |
| 06:27.59 | Guerin | shuveb: no |
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| 06:28.04 | muwu | Guerin, I know.. but I dread fglrx... |
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| 06:28.21 | tkooda | anyone here know if selinux will work in sarge? (either with/without russell's "newselinux" debs?) |
| 06:28.23 | Guerin | muwu: i expect that's your problem, though. |
| 06:28.40 | Guerin | tkooda: selinux is in debian kernels, it just needs to be activated. |
| 06:28.41 | muwu | with the newest official ATI drive... i cannot get proper XV output (black screen), and I don't really feel like SETUID mplayer or doing sudo everytime. |
| 06:29.08 | daye | this program, modemgo, is a shell script. when i login as non-root to start it, i got this err msg: "/usr/bin/modemgo: line10: amload.sh: comand not found". now amload.sh is itself a shell script. |
| 06:29.10 | shuveb | Guerin: thanks |
| 06:29.13 | tkooda | Guerin, do all the nessicary sarge packages have the selinux patches already, or do I need to use russell's? |
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| 06:29.33 | Guerin | muwu: go put $30 on a geforce 2 or something if you really care |
| 06:29.33 | jm_ | daye: isn't it self explanatory? it's not in PATH |
| 06:29.46 | erps | Ok, now install, how do I install the drivers for my network cards? |
| 06:29.59 | muwu | Guerin, I might.. people are telling that xcomposite actually works well with Geforce... |
| 06:30.05 | Guerin | daye: where is that script? |
| 06:30.10 | muwu | also, nforce drivers are easy to install.. |
| 06:30.17 | daye | jm_: no, sorry, not to me, what is PA.. |
| 06:30.23 | shuveb | Guerin: so are the US restrictions gone, or Debian cares not to maintain separate sets? |
| 06:30.38 | muwu | i guess at this rate, even Unichrome might be better than ATI..since they supposedly open uped their driver. |
| 06:30.45 | Guerin | shuveb: well, it was decided that it wasn't a meaningful legal liability. |
| 06:30.58 | daye | guerin: modemgo is in dir /usr/bin, amload.sh is in /usr/sbin |
| 06:31.02 | Guerin | muwu: yeah, maybe. One of the driver devs is a sometime regular here. |
| 06:31.03 | shuveb | Guerin: ok... |
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| 06:31.44 | Guerin | daye: then you need to add /usr/sbin to the path of that modemgo script |
| 06:31.50 | daye | i seem to be losing characters at the end of the line. why? |
| 06:31.57 | Guerin | daye: edit it; there should be a PATH declaration near the top |
| 06:32.05 | Zibar | which mixer should i install in kde ? kmix is just a frontend ? |
| 06:32.16 | Guerin | Zibar: alsamixer if you use alsa |
| 06:32.26 | jm_ | NeoBREED: did bot tell you what to do? |
| 06:32.29 | dondelelcaro | alsamixer or aumix... that's it. |
| 06:32.30 | paster | "quicoju" at 148.245.246.167 pasted "strace apt-get install dpkg" (200 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/38 |
| 06:32.36 | Zibar | ok |
| 06:32.48 | tkooda | does anyone here use selinux with sarge? |
| 06:32.49 | daye | i mean in this chat, the lines are incompletely displayed. |
| 06:33.08 | muwu | well, thanks for your tips..... bed time for me.. asta la vista.. |
| 06:33.10 | Guerin | daye: that'd be your irc client, probably |
| 06:33.22 | NeoBREED | jm_: I'm sorry man, I don't know what to do |
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| 06:33.56 | jm_ | NeoBREED: you need to run the command I gave you, it will produce /tmp/lst.out file, then you should paste this file at the page dpkg tells you about so I can read it |
| 06:34.21 | daye | guerin: about the PATH, i don't have to do this for executing in root, why is it necessary in non-root? |
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| 06:35.15 | Guerin | daye: the 's's in 'sbin' means that it should onnly be used by super-user - root. Normal users don't have /usr/sbin or /sbin in their PATH because they almost never need to run such apps. |
| 06:35.52 | NeoBREED | jm_: I ran the command |
| 06:36.13 | Zibar | when i have installed the snd-intel8x0 - it should load automatically yes ? |
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| 06:36.22 | simonrvn | system binaries |
| 06:36.26 | Zibar | module |
| 06:36.27 | yoc | any guy've done qtss? |
| 06:36.27 | jm_ | NeoBREED: so what's left to do is to paste |
| 06:36.32 | Guerin | daye: the script is either badly written, or intended to be run only by root. Are you sure it can/should be run by a user? what does it do? |
| 06:36.36 | yoc | i can't find the html interface |
| 06:36.36 | yoc | help |
| 06:36.51 | streuner | yoc: /msg dpkg enter |
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| 06:37.55 | yoc | streuner, any guy've done qtss? i can't find the html interface of qtss. plz help me. |
| 06:38.00 | daye | it is a script to connect the adsl. |
| 06:38.28 | streuner | yoc: no, what package is that? |
| 06:38.45 | yoc | streuner, qtss from apple |
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| 06:38.47 | yoc | !qtss |
| 06:39.02 | daye | i cannot connect as root, due to security reason, right? |
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| 06:40.00 | streuner | yoc: why not just using icecast? |
| 06:40.01 | daye | in fact i have been connecting up as root all along, until this discusion about security. so i am trying to connect up as non-root. |
| 06:40.07 | Guerin | daye: well, I don't know exactly what it does. It might be ok to run this as root, since it likely doesn't run a service, so much as actoiovates a device, then terminates, leaving the device connected. |
| 06:40.19 | yoc | streuner, i want the client side use realplayer |
| 06:40.45 | yoc | streuner, icecast no video |
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| 06:41.04 | Guerin | daye: do you understand that distiction? if the program runs, connects and terminates, there's a minimal risk from having it run as root. If the program remains active, monitoring a port or something, it's probably worth running it as a user. |
| 06:41.06 | simonrvn | yoc: try #osx or #opendarwin |
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| 06:42.28 | simonrvn | -cArMiNiLLo- VERSION xchat 2.4.3 Linux 2.6.10-gentoo-r6carminillo [i686/1,54GHz] |
| 06:42.35 | Guerin | daye: in any case, the person who wrote it should either specify that it must be run as root, or proivided some option to make it work as a user |
| 06:42.51 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: uh... you've got some broken script running |
| 06:43.00 | daye | after the connection, i'll do all the usual stuff like surfing. |
| 06:43.06 | simonrvn | no, that's a paste |
| 06:43.11 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah |
| 06:43.23 | yoc | any qtss user here? |
| 06:43.30 | Guerin | yoc: clearly not. |
| 06:43.35 | streuner | yoc: we told you |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | yoc: try #osx or #opendarwin |
| 06:43.54 | Guerin | daye: but you can surf and so on as a user once the machine is connected. |
| 06:44.01 | daye | one way i am getting around now is to connect up as root, then end session and login in as none root to surf or irc, as i am doing now. |
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| 06:44.19 | daye | right, it is troublesome. |
| 06:44.43 | Guerin | daye: better to log into kde or whatever as user and run the connection script as root using su, like we showed you earlier |
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| 06:45.24 | Guerin | daye: better still would be to run the script on boot, if you want to be connected automatically at boot time... |
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| 06:45.57 | NeoBREED | jm_: are you still availiable for help? |
| 06:46.00 | jm_ | NeoBREED: yes |
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| 06:47.17 | NeoBREED | jm_: I'm really new at linux, I just got debian installed.... earlier |
| 06:47.29 | NeoBREED | jm_: I don't know a lot of the regular stuff |
| 06:47.34 | daye | doing it on boot is not so good because connection sometimes goes through only after several re-try. the first idea is better. will try it right now. |
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| 06:47.46 | NeoBREED | jm_: so it would be really nice if you could spoonfeed me just this one time |
| 06:47.48 | simonrvn | apt-get install rutebook |
| 06:47.58 | NeoBREED | jm_: so I can get the sound working |
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| 06:48.07 | NeoBREED | jm_: the sound and the usb... |
| 06:48.18 | NeoBREED | jm_: those are the only two things that aren't working |
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| 06:51.00 | jm_ | NeoBREED: right, we're doing that - but I need to see the output of ls -lR command to figure out what is going on |
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| 06:57.48 | calljair | hello guys |
| 06:58.21 | calljair | I am trying to find the latest apt- server from where to install the freenx package for sarge? |
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| 06:58.51 | streuner | !info freenx sarge |
| 06:59.12 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'freenx' does not exist. |
| 06:59.21 | calljair | streuner, do you remmeber the web site? |
| 06:59.41 | calljair | I know it is the package available for debian |
| 06:59.52 | calljair | if will work with sarge? |
| 07:00.17 | streuner | what does 'freenx' do? |
| 07:00.30 | simonrvn | @tell calljair -about pdo |
| 07:00.50 | calljair | streuner, you have to check the web site nomachine.com |
| 07:01.13 | jm_ | calljair: http://archive.kalyxo.org experiment |
| 07:01.14 | jm_ | al main |
| 07:01.18 | Zibar | that thing just wont play : Intel®High Definition Audio (Azalia) based on the Realtek ALC880 codec ... ive installed the snd-intel8x0 module and aumix, but aumix throws an "error opening mixer" exception ... im running kde on debian sarge .... soundsystem is set to autodetect in kde control center ... |
| 07:01.23 | calljair | simonrvn, do you know the web site that tells me the apt-server from where I will get the package? |
| 07:01.50 | jm_ | they also have them on http://kanotix.com/files/debian/, but both are probably not well suited for Sarge |
| 07:01.57 | calljair | jm_, ohh on this apt-server I will be able to use apt-install? |
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| 07:02.20 | jm_ | calljair: yes, but you're on your own if things break |
| 07:02.30 | calljair | jm_, so what do you mean ? that this packages will not work well on sarge? |
| 07:02.53 | zeeble | Cant you download the tarball from their website? |
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| 07:04.27 | jm_ | calljair: probably not |
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| 07:05.06 | Nwallins | any suggestions for non-X debconf interface? what is the default? |
| 07:05.14 | calljair | jm_, crap if that package do not work I am dead |
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| 07:05.30 | Nwallins | calljair: easy, now.. put down the gun |
| 07:05.35 | daye | Guerin: this one is login as non-root, execute su and connect up and chat. |
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| 07:05.40 | calljair | jim, I think that server is down the one you just mentioned. |
| 07:05.48 | streuner | calljair: that's a deb |
| 07:06.01 | calljair | Nwallins, what do you mean? |
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| 07:06.11 | MichaelSaunders | does anyone have xen working |
| 07:06.13 | Nwallins | calljair: no one's gonna die.. say it with me |
| 07:06.22 | calljair | Nwallins, ok why? |
| 07:06.41 | calljair | I need to install the freenx on the sarge distribution I have. |
| 07:06.57 | DaCa | Nwallins: dialog? |
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| 07:07.26 | Nwallins | DaCa: ok, but if I don't like it, i'm coming after you with calljair's gun |
| 07:07.46 | DaCa | Nwallins: readline? |
| 07:07.48 | simonrvn | calljair: so get the tarball, unpack it, configure it for /usr/local, and be happy |
| 07:07.49 | liable | last night I tried to download something and got a permission denied for my home directory, I ended up having to chown my home directory, but I'm buggered if I know why it happened, no update and I wasnt doing anything like changing permissions to anything either. Ideas? |
| 07:07.55 | daye | my gnome setting won't stay. whatever setting i do for fonts is lost after re-boot. why? |
| 07:07.56 | calljair | streuner, did you find out what is freenx? |
| 07:08.05 | streuner | calljair: apt-get install samba |
| 07:08.23 | calljair | streuner, what the hell are you asking me to install? |
| 07:08.35 | calljair | samba is totally different |
| 07:09.08 | streuner | calljair: "Windows file sharing support |
| 07:09.08 | streuner | Share a file, folder or entire disk from your local Linux computer and let it be accessed by remote access applications running on NX server. Full support of industry standard SMB protocol. " |
| 07:09.18 | calljair | simonrvn, the tar ball will be on the nomachine web site? |
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| 07:09.37 | simonrvn | wherever you get this thing |
| 07:09.48 | calljair | streuner, my friend you are wrong |
| 07:09.50 | streuner | calljair: and samba do anything different |
| 07:10.01 | simonrvn | i also suggest you go do some reading at newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 07:10.05 | streuner | calljair: explain please. |
| 07:10.11 | calljair | streuner, you have to check the "nomachine.com" site |
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| 07:10.23 | cafuego | !popesmite streuner |
| 07:10.27 | streuner | calljair: that's from their site ^^^^^ |
| 07:10.28 | Nwallins | calljair: that website is full of marketing |
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| 07:10.44 | streuner | !lart cafuego |
| 07:11.08 | calljair | ok |
| 07:11.27 | streuner | calljair: so why the fuck you wanna that, just use samba - its in debian |
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| 07:11.30 | streuner | and supported |
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| 07:11.42 | cafuego_ | omg, it's an act of god! |
| 07:11.59 | calljair | streuner, forget it never mind be happy |
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| 07:12.49 | cafuego | typical, the moment I typed that, my DSL disconnected <heh> |
| 07:13.40 | idnar | $pop? |
| 07:13.44 | idnar | I think there's a letter missing there |
| 07:13.52 | cafuego | idnar: Fixed already |
| 07:13.58 | cafuego | !popesmite streuner |
| 07:14.07 | Nwallins | heh, the subtitle of nomachine.com is "Building the network computing on the power of X" engrish, anybody? |
| 07:14.20 | cafuego | Nwallins: WHAT YOU SAY!! |
| 07:14.42 | streuner | cafuego: Stop that |
| 07:15.52 | MichaelSaunders | cafuego: You have tried most things do you have xen working |
| 07:16.03 | cafuego | MichaelSaunders: what? |
| 07:16.06 | cafuego | !info xen |
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| 07:16.14 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 657 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 07:16.24 | cafuego | No. |
| 07:16.36 | nixbox | how can i force sed to change the same file that is being passed as an argument rather than printing the changed output on the stdout |
| 07:16.40 | MichaelSaunders | cafuego: Does that mean I can apt it |
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| 07:16.46 | cafuego | MichaelSaunders: Indeed it does. |
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| 07:16.53 | jm_ | nixbox: noticed the nifty -i switch? |
| 07:17.33 | nixbox | jm_, its only in GNU sed? |
| 07:17.51 | jm_ | nixbox: yes |
| 07:17.53 | cafuego | nixbox: P |
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| 07:18.08 | cafuego | nixbox: You can do it in a portable fashion with perl. |
| 07:18.18 | MichaelSaunders | cafuego: do you have a special xen. My apt doesnt have it |
| 07:18.28 | streuner | cafuego: you did a mistake. |
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| 07:18.30 | cafuego | MichaelSaunders: No, I have no xen whatsoever. |
| 07:18.41 | cafuego | streuner: I said "perl", that's bad, yes. |
| 07:18.45 | Nwallins | MichaelSaunders: it's in the misc section.. change /etc/apt/sources.list i think |
| 07:19.00 | cafuego | Nwallins: misc in under main. Did you mean contrib? |
| 07:19.10 | Nwallins | oh, i dunno then |
| 07:19.18 | streuner | cafuego: you said more then that |
| 07:19.22 | MichaelSaunders | how do I add that |
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| 07:20.18 | Zibar | the best msn client or x ? |
| 07:20.22 | Zibar | for even |
| 07:20.35 | tuxmaster | msn and x can not be compaired |
| 07:20.52 | Zibar | the best msn client for x ? :) |
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| 07:21.16 | tuxmaster | you talkinga bout msn IM |
| 07:21.29 | tuxmaster | s/talkinga/talking |
| 07:21.30 | Zibar | yes |
| 07:21.33 | tuxmaster | gaim |
| 07:21.40 | _biovore_ | gaim or amsn |
| 07:21.41 | danikata | hi... i fail to add debian sarge rc3 #8 in my rc2 ? the message is "E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)" ? what should i do ? |
| 07:21.43 | tuxmaster | gaim |
| 07:21.46 | Zibar | ok, ill try it - thx |
| 07:21.56 | tuxmaster | yw |
| 07:21.59 | tuxmaster | danikata |
| 07:22.05 | tuxmaster | please explain more |
| 07:22.13 | liable | so there really is no sensible answer as to how my home directories permissions changed mysteriously, apart from 1. I did it, 2. have been rooted, 3. wtf! |
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| 07:23.08 | gothtec | How can I tell the IP addresses of users that are connected so my sshd? |
| 07:23.34 | streuner | via syslog? |
| 07:23.40 | liable | tuxmaster: such as |
| 07:23.47 | tuxmaster | gothec finger |
| 07:23.49 | tuxmaster | try finger |
| 07:23.51 | scr3m | Hello. is anyone from poland?? |
| 07:23.55 | gothtec | liable: someone else did it? rootkit? |
| 07:23.58 | cafuego | gothtec: 'w' |
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| 07:24.24 | gothtec | cafuego: ooh. nice |
| 07:24.36 | scr3m | i have installation problem... |
| 07:24.44 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 07:24.48 | cafuego | gothtec: See also 'last' |
| 07:24.52 | tuxmaster | hi linuxas |
| 07:25.06 | gothtec | scr3m: Explain your problem, and we might be able to help you :) |
| 07:25.12 | scr3m | thanks |
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| 07:25.26 | scr3m | i haved install kernel, droivers to my netcard |
| 07:25.34 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 07:25.39 | scr3m | and when im trying to connect with APT |
| 07:25.42 | danikata | i was add debian rc3 cd number 8 in my debian sarge rc2, but the error message come in. was my debian cd rc3 number 8 is bad or i can't add rc3 in rc2 ? |
| 07:25.58 | tuxmaster | danikata please refraze |
| 07:25.58 | scr3m | it tels me something that he can't fetch |
| 07:26.06 | scr3m | (-3) something like that |
| 07:26.07 | tuxmaster | s/refrase |
| 07:26.14 | gothtec | scr3m: please... one line. use periods '.' between sentences |
| 07:26.19 | simonrvn | rephrase |
| 07:26.27 | liable | gothtec: up to date system (unless they managed it through whatever are the firefox issues) and fuck all services running |
| 07:26.30 | scr3m | ok |
| 07:26.42 | scr3m | i know that i'm lame |
| 07:26.59 | simonrvn | do you need a cane? |
| 07:27.04 | tuxmaster | liable rooted is always possible port 80 is just one of the many ports someone can get in though |
| 07:27.39 | tuxmaster | did you check your logs liable |
| 07:27.47 | tuxmaster | linux logs basicly everything |
| 07:27.49 | liable | yeah well ran chkrootkit, nothing, looked in logs, roots bash logs still there |
| 07:28.03 | tuxmaster | what about your firewall logs |
| 07:28.08 | tuxmaster | or your ssh logs |
| 07:28.15 | liable | no sss |
| 07:28.21 | liable | s/sss/ssh |
| 07:28.25 | tuxmaster | do you have telnet running |
| 07:28.30 | tuxmaster | or even a ftp |
| 07:28.33 | liable | bah, no |
| 07:28.43 | tuxmaster | is it connected to the internet |
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| 07:28.58 | liable | come on, I may be silly but im not stupid |
| 07:29.26 | tuxmaster | i am not saying you are stupid. |
| 07:29.40 | tuxmaster | the fact that you are using linux tells me one thing' |
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| 07:30.07 | liable | tuxmaster: well nothing in syslog, messages, kernel log, user log |
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| 07:30.55 | tuxmaster | nothing find that odd there is always someting |
| 07:31.12 | tuxmaster | it is just what you interpet from the logs is what it useful |
| 07:31.32 | tuxmaster | anotherwords a access or a attempt to access at a wierd time |
| 07:32.56 | tuxmaster | becouse honestly permitions do not change miseriously 1 you changed them and just did not know it 2 somone elce change them or 3 a program changed them while you were using root |
| 07:33.01 | _biovore_ | how do you brake into a box when its running any services? Got to buffer overflow something.. |
| 07:33.19 | cafuego | 'weird' |
| 07:33.21 | liable | well, last night I had irssi running (as user), firefox (as user) and hotwayd, hotsmtp the only othere services |
| 07:33.25 | simonrvn | 'break' |
| 07:33.53 | cafuego | 'in other words, an' |
| 07:33.55 | _biovore_ | smtp.. :-/ |
| 07:34.06 | tuxmaster | biovore not nessesarly |
| 07:34.13 | _biovore_ | true |
| 07:34.19 | liable | some one nmap me then and see what you get |
| 07:34.24 | simonrvn | cafuego: we'll be here all night... |
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| 07:34.48 | cafuego | _biovore_: Go to the keyboard, ctrl-alt-delete it, boot with init=/bin/sh, install root hole; reboot. |
| 07:34.52 | simonrvn | magpie has returned |
| 07:35.06 | cafuego | Guerin: Look! Shiny things! |
| 07:35.20 | simonrvn | *CAW* *CAW* |
| 07:36.07 | erps | How do I install my network drivers? I can compile a kernel on my own, but is there an aptitude way or something basic to Debian to do this? I haven't used debian much so am not familiar with its tools -- and am not finding what i"M looking for .. |
| 07:36.20 | tuxmaster | but honestly liable changing permitions is rather easy |
| 07:36.20 | simonrvn | cafuego: or, "will bee hear al nite..." ;p |
| 07:36.24 | tuxmaster | you could have done it by mistake |
| 07:36.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: well not be heir all nyt |
| 07:36.49 | tuxmaster | statisticly the odds are agenst you |
| 07:36.51 | simonrvn | or "well", or "wel", or... |
| 07:36.55 | _biovore_ | yeah ptrace bug.. alot of 2.4 kernels have it.. |
| 07:37.11 | Guerin | quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle is all I have to say |
| 07:37.14 | simonrvn | cafuego: that's even worse =) |
| 07:37.14 | liable | tuxmaster: yeah I know, but I know I didnt do it, all I was doing last night was irc and email |
| 07:37.21 | quicoju | see you all, regards! |
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| 07:37.27 | jm_ | erps: they get installed together with the kernel ... |
| 07:37.31 | simonrvn | mmm, eyeballs |
| 07:37.34 | cafuego | simonrvn: s/not/nod/ |
| 07:37.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:37.57 | Guerin | we used to have a running battle with magpies on the way to high school |
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| 07:38.09 | nayyares | hi |
| 07:38.14 | WorkerII | OK, here is the question: When I use dh_make, isn't it supposed to unpack the tar.gz thingy? (I cannot find the unpack). |
| 07:38.20 | Guerin | i have enough respect for them that I used to brin a tennis racquet to school despite never playing tennis |
| 07:38.44 | WorkerII | bring |
| 07:38.48 | cafuego | Guerin: They're smaller and less tasty than chickens. |
| 07:38.55 | tuxmaster | dh make not to my knowlage |
| 07:39.01 | simonrvn | magpies are cool. if you don't piss them off ;). then they'll kick your ass if you do |
| 07:39.03 | WorkerII | tuxmaster: IC |
| 07:39.03 | Guerin | WorkerII: i think you're supposed to unpack the tarball and run dh_make on the source tree |
| 07:39.04 | nayyares | how to open "fpm" extention files, i mean is there any tool for editing it? |
| 07:39.19 | erps | jm_, ok.. for some reason they didn't, bleh.. |
| 07:39.20 | Guerin | simonrvn: even if you have a tennis racquet... |
| 07:39.23 | cafuego | WorkerII: dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 07:39.25 | Guerin | i still have the scars |
| 07:39.28 | jm_ | erps: then you didn't do it correctly |
| 07:39.29 | simonrvn | WorkerII: man dh_make... |
| 07:39.29 | WorkerII | Guerin: What does this mean .. "source tree" ? The root of the unpacked stuff? |
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| 07:39.34 | Guerin | WorkerII: yup |
| 07:39.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: no doubt |
| 07:39.41 | WorkerII | tahnks |
| 07:39.46 | streuner | hm |
| 07:39.48 | tuxmaster | workerII do this |
| 07:39.49 | cafuego | WorkerII: Are you attempting to compile a debian source? |
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| 07:39.54 | tuxmaster | tar -xvzf file |
| 07:39.57 | WorkerII | magpies? They're so scared of people? |
| 07:39.58 | tuxmaster | go to folder |
| 07:40.00 | tuxmaster | ./configure |
| 07:40.01 | tuxmaster | make |
| 07:40.02 | Guerin | WorkerII: shit no. |
| 07:40.03 | tuxmaster | make install |
| 07:40.11 | cafuego | tuxmaster: Stop giving people bad advice. |
| 07:40.15 | Guerin | tuxmaster: and wipe your existing files. Great idea. |
| 07:40.26 | simonrvn | tuxmaster: plsstfukthx |
| 07:40.27 | WorkerII | cafuego: I tried to rebuild a package yesterday. It failed, so now I will build a new package. |
| 07:40.33 | zorton | is there a way to match a paticular protocol with iptables? |
| 07:40.37 | streuner | cafuego: stop saying that use gentoo :-) |
| 07:40.37 | zorton | not based on ports? |
| 07:40.48 | liable | fuck, now it looks like my logs stopped logging last night too, nothing for today, fuck |
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| 07:40.49 | simonrvn | zonyes. use a number instead of letters |
| 07:40.51 | cafuego | WorkerII: if it's already debianised source, simply run 'dpkg-buildpackage -b' |
| 07:40.54 | WorkerII | cafuego: Its a package for emacs. |
| 07:40.56 | Guerin | tuxmaster: can you explain again what exactly it is you're master of? Because it's clearly not unix, spelling or intellect, and I bet you don't have a penguin in a gimp suit |
| 07:41.00 | simonrvn | zorton: yes. use a number instead of letters |
| 07:41.11 | WorkerII | cafuego: Its "jdee" (package name jde) |
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| 07:41.25 | WorkerII | cafuego: So I downloaded the new upstream source. |
| 07:41.26 | simonrvn | zorton: /etc/protocols |
| 07:41.28 | zorton | simonrvn: perhaps I should rephrase |
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| 07:42.06 | nayyares | please help me :( |
| 07:42.06 | CyzarX | guys, i made a video using my digicam. now the filesize is too large for 2minutes movie. any program in linux i can compress with? like virtualdub in widnows |
| 07:42.06 | simonrvn | or, you could use letters too, just make sure you pick the right ones ;) |
| 07:42.06 | cafuego | WorkerII: Unpack it with 'tar xfz foo.tar.gz', then copy the debian/ subdirectory from the DEBIANISED source across. |
| 07:42.06 | zorton | the port might not be the paticular port it's typicaly run on, so match p2p traffic where they change the port they use |
| 07:42.06 | WorkerII | nayyares: No, ;-) |
| 07:42.06 | streuner | cafuego: you need more personality - you did an mistake and just can't say sorry. |
| 07:42.06 | nayyares | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.08 | Guerin | CyzarX: mencoder? |
| 07:42.14 | simonrvn | nayyares: what's an fpm ? |
| 07:42.20 | simonrvn | 'extension' |
| 07:42.21 | cafuego | streuner: I didn't do any mistake, mate. |
| 07:42.22 | Guerin | !fgi nayyares fpm+linux |
| 07:42.24 | dpkg | nayyares: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fpm+linux |
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| 07:42.42 | WorkerII | cafuego: I think the patches and stuff in the debianized package doesn't work for the new source. |
| 07:42.51 | CyzarX | okay Guerin ty. is there any other? |
| 07:43.01 | Guerin | CyzarX: probably. |
| 07:43.01 | cafuego | WorkerII: Just edit the ruiles file and tell it to not apply the patches. |
| 07:43.06 | CyzarX | Guerin, preferable with GUI + many functions |
| 07:43.07 | cafuego | s/ruiles/rules/ |
| 07:43.11 | Guerin | CyzarX: hahaha |
| 07:43.41 | WorkerII | cafuego: The package has always appeared rather borken to me, actually. |
| 07:43.48 | nayyares | simonrvn: font file. |
| 07:43.49 | WorkerII | s/ork/rok/ |
| 07:43.49 | CyzarX | Guerin, dont laugh:P suggest me , iwll ya? hehj |
| 07:43.51 | cafuego | WorkerII: Just don't use it then. |
| 07:44.03 | Guerin | CyzarX: I don't know, really. |
| 07:44.15 | erps | jm_, how the hell do I not do an automated process correctly? |
| 07:44.15 | streuner | cafuego: so its normal for you when somebody asking for help in pm (about Perl) you saying in channel, why do you use gentoo in #debian? |
| 07:44.19 | WorkerII | cafuego: Right . thats why I am considering building a new package. :) |
| 07:44.27 | cafuego | streuner: What? |
| 07:44.30 | Guerin | CyzarX: video construction, encoding and editing is one area where free software sorely lacks |
| 07:44.37 | WorkerII | cafuego: s/considering/going to be/ |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | partly because it's extremely hard to make such software good |
| 07:44.46 | cafuego | streuner: Nobody askes me for anything in pm. I ignore them. Always. |
| 07:44.57 | Guerin | tuxmaster: don't message me |
| 07:45.02 | CyzarX | Guerin, i see |
| 07:45.03 | simonrvn | zorton: there's special modules for that kind of thing. iptables_p2p or something of the sort. you'll need POM though |
| 07:45.08 | jm_ | erps: what automated process are you talking about? |
| 07:45.10 | CyzarX | Guerin, but virtualdub is good |
| 07:45.11 | simonrvn | ah, thanks |
| 07:45.15 | cafuego | streuner: Also, I don't use Gentoo. |
| 07:45.20 | erps | jm_, used the debian installation cd's 1 and 2. |
| 07:45.22 | Guerin | CyzarX: is it free software? |
| 07:45.25 | zorton | simonrvn: kay, i'll take a look at it |
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| 07:45.37 | streuner | cafuego: me either. |
| 07:45.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: there's a site with a whole collection of them. sadly in rpm format |
| 07:45.39 | WorkerII | find . -type type trolls -exec "rm -rf {}" ";" |
| 07:45.39 | Guerin | I've only used adobeware for macs when it comes to film editing... and then not much |
| 07:45.48 | Guerin | despite four years of film school :) |
| 07:45.50 | simonrvn | zorton: google should find it |
| 07:46.07 | zorton | simonrvn: got it on netfilter.org |
| 07:46.10 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:46.13 | cafuego | streuner: My comment about portability when using 'sed -i' was a referral to 'perl -pi -e "s/foo/bar/g" *.txt' |
| 07:46.22 | jm_ | erps: right, so you're using Debian's kernel image and network drivers don't load, is that the problem? |
| 07:46.27 | simonrvn | cafuego: fartfish |
| 07:46.28 | cafuego | streuner: ie: perl will do that on all platforms, whereas sed doesn't. |
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| 07:46.48 | zorton | simonrvn: only matches specificly kazza and ed2k |
| 07:46.54 | zorton | :( trying to match bittorrent |
| 07:47.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: eh? |
| 07:47.13 | simonrvn | is bt just an http based proto? |
| 07:47.17 | simonrvn | isn't* |
| 07:47.22 | zorton | yeah, think so |
| 07:47.45 | simonrvn | could probably use snort and some creative scripting |
| 07:47.46 | CyzarX | Guerin, yes it is. search for it :) |
| 07:48.00 | WorkerII | Guerin: This is a magpie, right? http://www.nysted-efterskole.dk/groen-linie/natur/natur-skade-web.gif |
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| 07:48.06 | cafuego | You know the cats are hungry when they sit 1) on the screen and 2) on the keyboard. |
| 07:48.19 | simonrvn | that's the general idea |
| 07:48.41 | simonrvn | WorkerII: yes |
| 07:48.43 | Guerin | WorkerII: not the ones I know. |
| 07:48.51 | cafuego | simonrvn: creative scripting never ends well, you saw what happened to bob2 ;-) |
| 07:48.52 | simonrvn | in n. america |
| 07:48.59 | erps | jm_, correct |
| 07:49.05 | simonrvn | cafuego: no. what happened? |
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| 07:49.15 | WorkerII | Guerin: Maybe your magpies are not really magpies? |
| 07:49.16 | cafuego | simonrvn: he went sentient and bugs this channel now. |
| 07:49.32 | WorkerII | Guerin: Or does the word include several animals? |
| 07:49.48 | Guerin | WorkerII: oh, it's a term applies to moad black and white birds |
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| 07:49.57 | Guerin | but these are the bad motherfuckers I'm on about |
| 07:50.00 | Guerin | http://www.solanum.net/images/birds/Magpie1.jpg |
| 07:50.12 | CyzarX | mencoder-k7 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed <== what does this means? transitional dummy package which can be safely removed? this result is search using apt-cache search mencoder |
| 07:50.21 | jm_ | erps: man modules |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | note stout and wickedly sharp beak |
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| 07:50.30 | simonrvn | i think we have some of those too |
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| 07:50.38 | WorkerII | Guerin: Red eyes? |
| 07:50.48 | WorkerII | Guerin: White beak? |
| 07:50.59 | Guerin | WorkerII: variable. Black eyes usually. |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | WorkerII: you'd know one if you saw one |
| 07:51.10 | WorkerII | Guerin: Thats not the bird that translates from magpie .. I think. |
| 07:51.11 | Guerin | or heard one |
| 07:51.21 | streuner | cafuego: the reason why i asked you for help were that those packages aren't in debian |
| 07:51.36 | WorkerII | Guerin: It looks a bit like the bird I showed you though. |
| 07:51.39 | Guerin | WorkerII: well, that's the first fucking hit on australian magpie, which are the kind we have in NZ, and that's what I know as a fucking magpie, mate |
| 07:51.44 | zorton | simonrvn: cool: http://ipp2p.org/ |
| 07:51.50 | zorton | matches most fashionable protocls |
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| 07:51.57 | WorkerII | Guerin: But they have black beaks. |
| 07:52.01 | simonrvn | zorton: that's the one |
| 07:52.03 | tuxmaster | streuner what are you trying to install |
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| 07:52.12 | WorkerII | Guerin: Maybe its called Magpie.nz ? :) |
| 07:52.17 | Guerin | ffs |
| 07:52.26 | streuner | tuxmaster: i tried torsmo to manage me to show xmms-infos |
| 07:52.28 | ircdevil | cups say server-error-not-accepting-jobs . what to do? how to fix? |
| 07:52.35 | Guerin | all animals have this thing called 'natural variation' |
| 07:52.40 | simonrvn | wtf is this torsmo stuff? |
| 07:52.46 | Guerin | ircdevil: tell it to accept jobs |
| 07:52.57 | streuner | simonrvn: torsmo.sf.net |
| 07:52.58 | _cd_ | I changed my dist from fedora to sarge. Don't make any changes on /home partition (ext3) . When I'm booting the system I got a message like your fsck version doesn't support this version. I do Ctrl+D to bypass and using the part. with out problems. Does this make problems to me in the future? |
| 07:53.05 | WorkerII | Guerin: Easy .. I am merly joking ... I don't doubt you call them magpies. |
| 07:53.13 | Guerin | CyzarX: it means what it says. use mencoder-k6 or something |
| 07:53.28 | Guerin | if you have an amd machine |
| 07:53.33 | ircdevil | Guerin: hmmm this seem to be the printer. lemmy restart the damn thing |
| 07:53.40 | WorkerII | Guerin: But that bird doesn't look much like the ones we call "skader", which is what you get from a dictionary when you look up magpie. |
| 07:53.52 | CyzarX | Guerin, i have athlon 2400+, is k6 compliant with k7 ? |
| 07:53.55 | Guerin | _cd_: hrm, interesting. |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | CyzarX: yes. |
| 07:54.03 | WorkerII | Guerin: Ours are very afraid of humans, but like to steal shiny stuff. |
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| 07:54.33 | tuxmaster | looks like a x top program |
| 07:54.41 | _cd_ | Guerin, does sarge support reiserfs , and can I convert my ext3 to reiserfs? |
| 07:54.43 | Guerin | WorkerII: ours make humans, cats, dogs and livestock fear them. They're not pigeon-like, as your pic seemed, they're more raven-like. |
| 07:54.48 | tuxmaster | I know there is a program like it in debian |
| 07:54.53 | streuner | tuxmaster: its similar to gkrellm |
| 07:55.02 | streuner | !info torsmo |
| 07:55.15 | dpkg | torsmo: (system monitor that sits in the corner of your desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.18-5 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 07:55.16 | WorkerII | Guerin: Ours are somewhat raven like .. but a tad smaller. Black beaks. |
| 07:55.21 | Guerin | _cd_: it does, but you can't without erasing the filesystem. I'd try convering it from ext3 to ext2 using the debian tools, then back to ext3 again. |
| 07:55.44 | WorkerII | Guerin: Not fat like pigeon. |
| 07:56.06 | _cd_ | Guerin, what is the meaning then :) |
| 07:56.49 | Guerin | !tell _cd_ about ext3->ext2 |
| 07:56.49 | tuxmaster | i do not know if this is the debian way but sreuner in fadora i am just merging all my knowlage to debian do you know how to compile a program |
| 07:56.55 | Guerin | !tell _cd_ about ext2->ext3 |
| 07:57.03 | Guerin | !tell _cd_ about backups |
| 07:57.09 | Guerin | _cd_: :) |
| 07:57.14 | WorkerII | Guerin: I guess that the white beak, red eyes and the size is the main difference .. oh also the white and black is placed somehwhat differently on "our mapies" .. but that varies somewhat with the birds. |
| 07:57.25 | simonrvn | might as well install a dictionary while you're at it... |
| 07:58.00 | simonrvn | Guerin: um, they're corvidae |
| 07:58.03 | erps | jm_, heh, I am familiar with what modules are, and already tried listing them, but yah. |
| 07:58.08 | erps | and tried loading the right ones. |
| 07:58.16 | Guerin | tuxmaster: it's very unwise to randomly install shit on a debian box. At the very least you need to make sure it honours /usr/local |
| 07:58.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: oh, that makes sense. |
| 07:58.35 | WorkerII | Guerin: apt-get shit # ? |
| 07:58.36 | _cd_ | Guerin, thnx :) |
| 07:58.42 | WorkerII | :o) |
| 07:58.50 | Zibar | Guerin : oops |
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| 07:59.53 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:00.17 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:00.52 | tuxmaster | guerin i know that it is unwize to randomly install stuff wherever on linux |
| 08:01.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: I once saw someone offer to make someone terrine de corvus corax |
| 08:01.51 | simonrvn | eew |
| 08:01.54 | jm_ | erps: that man page tells you where to put it so it's loaded on boot |
| 08:01.55 | Guerin | simonrvn: which I think is american crow? |
| 08:02.03 | simonrvn | raven |
| 08:02.19 | Guerin | you know the saying 'to eat crow', though, right? |
| 08:02.30 | Guerin | it's a foodie joke which stuck in my head |
| 08:02.48 | WorkerII | no? |
| 08:02.51 | WorkerII | What does that mean? |
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| 08:03.03 | cmug | does any1 know about pariscs + terminals here? |
| 08:03.04 | Guerin | fgi |
| 08:03.17 | Guerin | it means something like to eat one's words |
| 08:03.24 | jm_ | cmug: maybe |
| 08:03.27 | cmug | fgi = fucking google it? |
| 08:03.37 | Guerin | cmug: fgi |
| 08:03.42 | tuxmaster | i think there is a debian package out there that you can make .deb pagages out of tgz files |
| 08:03.43 | cmug | jm_, http://ota.tr.spt.fi/~gumfire/kuvat/hprisc/ can I use these to connect a 700/96 terminal to a 9000parisc? |
| 08:03.45 | tuxmaster | i do not know though |
| 08:03.48 | WorkerII | cmug: its an evil joke. |
| 08:03.54 | eye69 | tuxmaster: alient |
| 08:03.54 | simonrvn | Guerin: ah yes. too tired to parse jokes =) |
| 08:03.56 | eye69 | alien |
| 08:03.56 | WorkerII | dpkg, tell cmug about fgi |
| 08:03.59 | tuxmaster | ah i was right |
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| 08:04.07 | tuxmaster | thanks eye89 |
| 08:04.13 | tuxmaster | alient |
| 08:04.15 | Guerin | eye69: that will work for slackware packages, but not for undebianised source |
| 08:04.23 | cmug | WorkerII, i guessed right then |
| 08:04.36 | tuxmaster | but that was not the one |
| 08:04.38 | simonrvn | anyway, later. need sleep |
| 08:04.38 | eye69 | Guerin: Yeah. |
| 08:04.38 | Guerin | for raw source, you probably want to use dh_make and friends |
| 08:04.39 | WorkerII | cmug: ya |
| 08:04.39 | jm_ | cmug: all you need is a standard serial cable with rx/tx lines crossed |
| 08:04.40 | tuxmaster | i was thinking off |
| 08:04.49 | Guerin | simonrvn: laters |
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| 08:04.58 | WorkerII | Guerin: yeah |
| 08:05.11 | cmug | jm_, but the pariscs behind only has a parallel port? serial & parallel cables == ? |
| 08:05.12 | evo_ | does anybody have experience with ndiswrapper, a pcmcia card and correctly configuring them at boot? |
| 08:05.12 | eye69 | Guerin: I tend to think of .tgz as slackware packages, and .tar.gz as vanilla stuff |
| 08:05.22 | Guerin | eye69: yeah, but both can be both, right? |
| 08:05.24 | cmug | serial cable == parallel cable even |
| 08:05.33 | eye69 | Guerin: Sure they can. |
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| 08:05.47 | eye69 | Guerin: Well, .tar.gz isn't generally a slackware package. |
| 08:05.48 | tuxmaster | Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into Debian packages, which can be installed |
| 08:05.48 | tuxmaster | with dpkg. |
| 08:05.52 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 08:05.59 | tuxmaster | nope not tgz |
| 08:06.05 | Guerin | tuxmaster: thanks mate, we know |
| 08:06.11 | jm_ | cmug: all parisc machines we have have serial port |
| 08:06.25 | Guerin | tuxmaster: you clearly don't since a slackware package is typically a .tgz |
| 08:06.31 | cmug | jm_, http://ota.tr.spt.fi/~gumfire/kuvat/hprisc/pariscperse.jpg |
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| 08:06.45 | cmug | only parallel there |
| 08:06.55 | tuxmaster | no acculy i told info from eye69 |
| 08:07.01 | tuxmaster | i was not thinking of that one |
| 08:07.22 | WorkerII | Guerin: Why are you angry with tuxmaster ? |
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| 08:07.42 | eye69 | WorkerII: Who says he's angry? |
| 08:08.02 | WorkerII | eye69: Dunno. I merely suggested it, because I'm seen what I interpret as implications. |
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| 08:08.30 | jm_ | cmug: how old is that? |
| 08:08.35 | WorkerII | eye69: Don't mind my english tongue, its not native. |
| 08:08.39 | Guerin | WorkerII: I'm not angry, I'm frustrated, because he keeps spouting shit and seems reluctant to believe he's wrong |
| 08:08.43 | Guerin | anyway |
| 08:08.43 | Guerin | I'm out |
| 08:08.59 | cmug | jm_, some years |
| 08:09.04 | WorkerII | Guerin: Laters .. thanks for thehelp. |
| 08:09.06 | cmug | jm_, its a e45 |
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| 08:09.21 | cmug | e45/9000 |
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| 08:11.18 | jm_ | cmug: well are there any manuals for it? |
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| 08:11.32 | cmug | jm_, ofcourse not |
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| 08:12.16 | WorkerII | cmug: How is that obvious? |
| 08:12.31 | cmug | WorkerII, :/ |
| 08:12.42 | shingouz | cmug: parallel to parallel? the terminal seems to have such a connector and the leftmost parallel on the parisc looks like it might be able to take such a connector |
| 08:12.55 | yixuan | hello,I have a problem with installing kde. I type startkde,the screen say "kpersonalizer cannot connect to X server",how can i do ?thank you! |
| 08:13.07 | tuxmaster | reconfigure X |
| 08:13.21 | cmug | shingouz, yes, but what pinout for the cable |
| 08:13.49 | shingouz | no frigging idea. did you check the hp website already? with a fine toothed comb? |
| 08:14.42 | shingouz | (mummblegrummble.... huge out ofo focus pics... grumble ;) |
| 08:14.44 | tarzeau | did i tell how damend crappy galeon and mozilla are? |
| 08:14.47 | Zibar | ive downloaded a kernel source package, but when i try to compile a sound driver it says /usr/src/linux..../version.h is missing .... and it is.... why is that file not included in my kernel source ? |
| 08:14.54 | jm_ | cmug: http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2000-April/008710.html |
| 08:15.01 | shingouz | s/out ofo /out of ;) |
| 08:15.11 | cmug | jm_, most kind |
| 08:15.19 | cmug | the keyword here was "console" which I did not use |
| 08:15.25 | yixuan | tuxmaster,you mean use the command like "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
| 08:15.27 | jm_ | yeah |
| 08:17.16 | cmug | jm_, did you read the next message on that thread :D |
| 08:17.22 | nipplesrulz | goodnight all |
| 08:17.34 | jm_ | cmug: yes, read the last one, it's translated |
| 08:17.39 | cmug | yeah |
| 08:17.40 | WorkerII | Wow .. packaging can be a lot of trouble.. |
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| 08:17.56 | tuxmaster | yes yixuam |
| 08:18.04 | PerfDave | Zibar: How did you download the kernel source package, where from and what did you do with it afterwards? |
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| 08:18.16 | tuxmaster | i am not shure about that package in perticular |
| 08:18.23 | Zibar | i got it through apt-get |
| 08:18.33 | tuxmaster | might want to ask somone elce in the channel but dpkg-reconfigure would take care of it |
| 08:18.38 | Zibar | i made a symbolic link in /usr/src |
| 08:18.55 | PerfDave | Zibar: Which package? |
| 08:19.08 | Zibar | kernel-source-.6.8.2 |
| 08:19.22 | tuxmaster | need to upgrade my kernel myself |
| 08:19.29 | erps | jm_, it seems the problem is that no modules are available on this system that support my network cards.. which aren't exactly that far off the beaten path. . Intel 82545EM (gigabit) and Intel 82551QM 10/100 |
| 08:19.50 | PerfDave | Zibar: That doesn't seem to be a valid package. |
| 08:20.00 | jm_ | erps: e100 and e1000 don't support it? |
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| 08:20.13 | cmug | jm_, thanks, that gives me some insight |
| 08:20.22 | cmug | i wonder if our company has such cables somewhere |
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| 08:20.33 | jm_ | cmug: no worries |
| 08:20.39 | Zibar | valid ? |
| 08:21.04 | Zibar | 2.6.8 |
| 08:21.05 | PerfDave | Zibar: There is no package called kernel-source-.6.8.2 |
| 08:21.07 | Zibar | im sorry |
| 08:21.08 | erps | jm_ doesn't appear to... trying again. |
| 08:21.55 | jm_ | erps: there are several options how to proceed |
| 08:21.55 | yixuan | tuxmaster,I have reconfigured the x server,but the problem also exist. |
| 08:21.55 | tuxmaster | yixuan did you chose the right video drivers |
| 08:21.55 | yixuan | I can startx with gnome. |
| 08:21.55 | PerfDave | Zibar: Did you unbzip2 and untar the kernel source tarball in /usr/src? |
| 08:22.01 | Zibar | yes |
| 08:22.06 | erps | no such device, invalid perameters, and e100/e1000 aren't listed, just eepro100 .. and eepro |
| 08:22.17 | jm_ | you have old kernel |
| 08:22.19 | Zibar | and made a link from /usr/source/linux |
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| 08:22.28 | tuxmaster | i could say the windows answer but that would not be right |
| 08:22.37 | tuxmaster | reinstall reconfigure try again |
| 08:22.50 | erps | jm_, I used the 3.4 disc.. |
| 08:22.54 | tuxmaster | hum well it is not someting wrong with the program |
| 08:22.59 | tuxmaster | are you missing some dependencys |
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| 08:23.04 | PerfDave | Zibar: Why did you make that link? |
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| 08:23.13 | erps | just downloaded it, burnt it.. and went for install |
| 08:23.35 | erps | err 3.0 |
| 08:23.36 | westward | hi,all. I have found my /var/cache rather big. How to clean it? |
| 08:23.36 | erps | :p |
| 08:23.37 | yixuan | i just type apt-get install kde ,that's enough? tuxmaster? |
| 08:23.37 | erps | not 3.4 |
| 08:23.37 | Zibar | i dunno - old habit .... i had linux installed some years back, and i remembered i used to do that ... :) |
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| 08:23.48 | erps | 3.0r5 is what I'm using |
| 08:23.52 | PerfDave | Zibar: It's generally a bad idea to do things when you don't know why. |
| 08:23.52 | tuxmaster | yixuan not allways |
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| 08:24.14 | jm_ | erps: that's why it has old kernel ;) |
| 08:24.14 | tuxmaster | i have acculy had apt-get not get dependencys before that dselect caught |
| 08:24.28 | Zibar | i guess i presumed the system would always look in /usr/src/linux for the surce code |
| 08:24.33 | PerfDave | !install kde |
| 08:24.33 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 08:24.50 | erps | jm_, ok so what do I do? Because I don't see no new kernel sitting around either. |
| 08:24.55 | PerfDave | westward: man apt-get will give you a couple of ways to clear up your cache of apt packages. |
| 08:24.59 | erps | that is a new installation version for new kernel |
| 08:25.10 | tuxmaster | you have to install the new kernel |
| 08:25.11 | PerfDave | erps: Whihc kernel are you using? |
| 08:25.12 | jm_ | erps: grab it off of kernel.org and compile it? |
| 08:25.13 | erps | suppose I could do a network install if I grab the network install disc... |
| 08:25.19 | tuxmaster | when upgrading from woody to sarge |
| 08:25.24 | westward | PerfDave: got it. thank you a lot |
| 08:25.27 | tuxmaster | be shure to follow all instructions |
| 08:25.32 | tuxmaster | and be varry carful |
| 08:25.42 | erps | not an upgrade, now install. |
| 08:25.51 | erps | How the hell am I supposed to grab it off onto it when the issue is I can't connect it to the net, heh |
| 08:25.58 | PerfDave | erps: What kernel are you using? |
| 08:26.06 | jm_ | CD, floppies, ... |
| 08:26.12 | erps | whatever it default installed for me, 2.4.18 I think. |
| 08:26.24 | tuxmaster | how new is your drivers erps |
| 08:26.29 | PerfDave | erps: What is the output of "uname -r" |
| 08:26.33 | tuxmaster | not dirvers |
| 08:26.36 | tuxmaster | videocard |
| 08:26.49 | erps | 2.4.18 |
| 08:26.58 | tuxmaster | ah ya as high as me |
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| 08:27.06 | PerfDave | erps: What is the output of "uname -a" |
| 08:27.08 | tuxmaster | i got a old machine |
| 08:27.21 | Zibar | so there shouldnt be a link in usr/source pointing at the folder with the kernel source ? |
| 08:27.36 | liable | whats a line in messages log with 'linux --MARK' about, I hadnt seen this previously |
| 08:27.45 | PerfDave | liable: It just puts it there once an hour. |
| 08:27.47 | Zibar | . /usr/src even |
| 08:27.58 | PerfDave | Zibar: Not if there's no good reason to. |
| 08:28.00 | valdyn | Zibar: should? for what? theres no need for you to create one link there. |
| 08:28.02 | erps | Linux SPListen 2.4.18 date time i686 unknown |
| 08:28.13 | PerfDave | erps: So you've installed a new kernel since you did the install? |
| 08:28.26 | Zibar | the system knows where to find the current source code ? |
| 08:28.36 | erps | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 08:28.42 | erps | and no |
| 08:28.43 | PerfDave | Zibar: That depends entirely on what you're trying to do. |
| 08:28.58 | PerfDave | erps: The bf2.4 thing is what I was looking for. That's an installation kernel, with little driver support. |
| 08:29.07 | PerfDave | erps: You want to install a more recent kernel-image package. |
| 08:29.13 | valdyn | Zibar: "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" points to current source |
| 08:29.19 | liable | PerfDave: right, almost, mines every 20 mins, I havent noticed it before |
| 08:29.21 | erps | Correct |
| 08:29.24 | erps | ok I have CD1 and CD2 |
| 08:29.30 | jethro | moin |
| 08:29.30 | tuxmaster | that is enough |
| 08:29.34 | erps | how do I install, from this point, a newer image? |
| 08:29.37 | PerfDave | erps: Do you have the CDs added to your apt sources? |
| 08:29.52 | tuxmaster | i never got that working |
| 08:29.54 | Zibar | im trying to compile a driver- i get the error : /usr/src/linux/....version.h is missing. please install the full kernel source ..... |
| 08:29.55 | tuxmaster | nither did i care |
| 08:29.57 | PerfDave | erps: Reading the Installation Manual would be a good start. Or the APT HOWTO. |
| 08:30.10 | yixuan | !install gnome |
| 08:30.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, install gnome is in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 08:30.12 | Zibar | ok |
| 08:30.15 | PerfDave | erps: If the CDs are in your apt sources, then do "apt-cache search kernel-image" and install one. |
| 08:30.23 | erps | thanks |
| 08:30.24 | PerfDave | Zibar: What driver are you trying to install? |
| 08:30.38 | Zibar | alsa-driver |
| 08:30.51 | Zibar | for for alc880 |
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| 08:31.16 | jm_ | erps: you won't find anything newer on CD-s |
| 08:31.25 | Zibar | -for |
| 08:31.39 | PerfDave | Zibar: Is that not already included in kernel-image packages? |
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| 08:31.59 | tuxmaster | i wonder when they will officaly relice sarge |
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| 08:32.08 | PerfDave | tuxmaster: When it's ready ;) |
| 08:32.14 | Boulate | Hi all |
| 08:32.15 | Zibar | i ant find it on the list when i do modconf .... |
| 08:32.16 | ghatak | Hi, i need some help regarding vnc, my question is, can vnc keep running desktop applications even if get disconnected ? |
| 08:32.18 | JonasNZ | hi, im having problems with exim4, (just did an install on a machine that is for now networkless) and on boot it hangs for about 3 min before continuing, any ideas? |
| 08:32.19 | Zibar | cant even |
| 08:32.30 | erps | PerfDave, thanks. |
| 08:32.38 | Boulate | Anyone saw me ? |
| 08:32.44 | tuxmaster | perfDave is that a tm from somewhere |
| 08:32.46 | b33r | Which is more robust: Free S/wan or buit in 2.6 kernel ipsec? |
| 08:32.53 | Zibar | well, there is snd-intel8x0 ... but ive installed that, and still got no sound ... |
| 08:32.57 | Boulate | I dont know if i'm connecting |
| 08:33.06 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: Are you running sarge? |
| 08:33.09 | shingouz | Boulate: nope, you are all alone in the universe ;) |
| 08:33.09 | Zibar | so ive downloaded the newest for my chipset (onboard sound) |
| 08:33.16 | JonasNZ | PerfDave, yes rc3 |
| 08:33.20 | tuxmaster | ghatak the answer is not to my knowlage |
| 08:33.22 | Boulate | loooooooool, oki, thanks !!! |
| 08:33.26 | shingouz | :) |
| 08:33.30 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and tell it not to "Dial on Demand" |
| 08:33.37 | JonasNZ | k |
| 08:33.40 | tuxmaster | can someone make the bot tell me about ext2 =>ext3 |
| 08:33.48 | Boulate | Anyone can help me for a dhcpd.conf ? |
| 08:33.58 | PerfDave | tuxmaster: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 08:34.09 | streuner | tuxmaster: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 08:34.15 | JonasNZ | PerfDave, is it because fo the networkless setup? |
| 08:34.28 | erps | jm_, ok fine.. I won't find anything newer, then how do I get something newer onto this. |
| 08:34.29 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: Yes, it's trying to do DNS lookups at boot time and they're timing out. |
| 08:34.57 | PerfDave | erps: Ignore jm_ - you'll find more fully featured kernels on your CD. bf2.4 is a minimal kernel used for installation. |
| 08:35.01 | JonasNZ | oh ok, well im getting an NIC for it tommorrow, so should i then leave the setting to not dial on demand or change it back |
| 08:35.07 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: Up to you. |
| 08:35.19 | Boulate | Nobody for help me to configure my dhcp-server ??? I have just a little probleme |
| 08:35.33 | JonasNZ | PerfDave, whats the diff, any were i can read up on it |
| 08:35.52 | tuxmaster | Boulate what is the question |
| 08:35.54 | tuxmaster | say it in chat |
| 08:35.54 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, it will tell you about the option. Or install the Exim documentation. |
| 08:35.58 | tuxmaster | so all can help |
| 08:36.05 | JonasNZ | PerfDave, k |
| 08:36.12 | PerfDave | !tell Boulate about ask |
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| 08:37.06 | Boulate | Ok, i want to configure my dhcpd.conf for giving a range of IP only for some mac adress ... |
| 08:37.10 | jm_ | PerfDave: trust me, it doesn't support newer eepro100 cards, let alone e1000 ... |
| 08:37.24 | erps | PerfDave, ok |
| 08:37.42 | Boulate | i know how to give a fixed-ip to a mac adress, but i don't know how to give a range ip for some mac adress |
| 08:37.43 | jm_ | but it's OK, I'll let you handle it |
| 08:38.00 | PerfDave | jm_: *shrug* It's a good thing to try first. |
| 08:38.16 | PerfDave | Boulate: How or why would you want to give a range of IPs to the same MAC address? |
| 08:38.27 | tuxmaster | boulate what dhcp server client you using |
| 08:38.28 | jm_ | PerfDave: yes, he'll learn about apt-cdrom and apt-get, but that's it ;) |
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| 08:39.01 | PerfDave | jm_: *shrug* Well, if people will go buying hardware that's not compatiable with the version of the distro they're trying to install... :) |
| 08:39.02 | Boulate | I start a new work in an society (in france) and i have to configure a DHCP |
| 08:39.13 | jm_ | PerfDave: heh |
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| 08:39.15 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 08:39.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:39.40 | Boulate | my dhcpclient is dhclient |
| 08:39.56 | jethro | Boulate: man dhcpd.conf see the hosts stanzas |
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| 08:40.19 | directhex|work | PerfDave, oh, he needs e100? woody is useless, part of why i've never wasted time myself with it |
| 08:40.54 | ecfx | !bo |
| 08:40.55 | dpkg | it has been said that bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 08:41.00 | PerfDave | directhex|work: There's a 2.4.27 on backports.org :) |
| 08:41.04 | tuxmaster | woody is running on 2000 technology |
| 08:41.36 | sml | !woody |
| 08:41.36 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 08:41.37 | directhex|work | PerfDave, yeah, but getting a .deb from backports.org onto the system in question is a pain. and not covered by debian-security |
| 08:41.39 | sml | 2002 |
| 08:41.44 | Zibar | so any idea why /$PathToSource/include/linux/version.h is missing ? ive installed kernel-source-2.6.8 via apt-get ... |
| 08:41.55 | tuxmaster | i stand corrected |
| 08:41.59 | PerfDave | directhex|work: No, but better to have one package not covered by the security team than an entire system. |
| 08:42.11 | directhex|work | woody was released in mid 2002, but the kernel was frozen in january 2002, so has late 2001 hardware support |
| 08:42.12 | sml | Zibar: you have done "locate version.h" or something to that effect ? |
| 08:42.36 | Zibar | i dont have such a file on my system at all |
| 08:42.38 | tuxmaster | not much you can do with 2001 hardware nowdays |
| 08:42.42 | PerfDave | Zibar: This kernel source version matches the version of the kernel you're running, right? |
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| 08:42.46 | PerfDave | tuxmaster: Bullshit :) |
| 08:42.55 | tuxmaster | besides runa a server |
| 08:42.55 | directhex|work | tuxmaster, you can make a handy firewall |
| 08:42.58 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 08:43.00 | sml | tuxmaster: on this particular box i have it here : /usr/include/linux/version.h |
| 08:43.01 | tuxmaster | or a firewall |
| 08:43.18 | Zibar | well ... source is kernel-source-2.6.8 and kernel is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 08:43.22 | sml | tuxmaster: which is where you includes are NOT your kernel source. |
| 08:43.45 | sml | Zibar: that kernel image is with SMP support you do know that right? |
| 08:44.02 | tuxmaster | true perfdave |
| 08:44.09 | Zibar | yes |
| 08:44.18 | sml | Zibar: try where I said , look there |
| 08:44.24 | PerfDave | Zibar: I *think* (though I might be wrong on this) that you need to copy your /boot/config-$(uname -r) file to the top directory of the kernel source, rename it as .config, and run make. |
| 08:44.39 | sml | Zibar: have you installed kernel headers ? |
| 08:44.43 | sml | Zibar: you will need those too |
| 08:44.47 | tuxmaster | mainly becouse most hardware chips stay the same but they change just a little bit of it marketing my friends marketing |
| 08:44.47 | Zibar | oh |
| 08:44.50 | sml | Zibar: ;) |
| 08:44.51 | Zibar | no i havent |
| 08:44.52 | directhex|work | Zibar, kernel-source-2.6.8 contains a tarball. change to /usr/src, extract the tarball |
| 08:44.58 | sml | since it's a *header* file you are looking for |
| 08:45.07 | PerfDave | directhex|work: We've been over extracting the tarball ;) |
| 08:45.10 | Zibar | aha |
| 08:45.12 | Zibar | :) |
| 08:45.16 | directhex|work | PerfDave, so why's he in /usr/include? |
| 08:45.33 | PerfDave | sml: He's not, sml is. |
| 08:45.41 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 08:45.42 | PerfDave | directhex|work: ^^ |
| 08:45.52 | sml | PerfDave: /usr/include is where linux/version.h lives |
| 08:45.54 | Zibar | i though kernel-source package was a complete source and kernel-headers only header files |
| 08:45.56 | sml | PerfDave: which is what he's looking for |
| 08:45.57 | Zibar | thought even |
| 08:46.14 | directhex|work | i give up. /me goes back to napping on his desk |
| 08:46.26 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 08:46.27 | PerfDave | sml: His ALSA driver thing is looking for it in /usr/src :/ |
| 08:46.34 | sml | Zibar: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.16-686-smp |
| 08:46.44 | sml | oops... get the 2.6 ones |
| 08:46.44 | sml | ;) |
| 08:46.47 | Zibar | yes |
| 08:46.49 | Zibar | thx |
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| 08:47.06 | sml | Zibar: im on a woody box so i dont have 2.6 headers in my apt-sources ;) |
| 08:47.25 | nksen | which font-packages should I install? |
| 08:47.39 | tarzeau | nksen: ttf-junicode |
| 08:47.48 | Zibar | heh ok ... |
| 08:47.57 | Bebabo | is there a way to restrict a source in sources.list to a single package ? |
| 08:47.59 | Zibar | woody wouldnt support my sata drives so .... |
| 08:48.04 | tarzeau | nksen: ttf-f500 is cool too, and ttf-gentium |
| 08:48.23 | nksen | tarzeau: well, asking because the fonts in my browser somehow look weird |
| 08:48.29 | nksen | tarzeau: I'll install those, thx |
| 08:48.30 | tarzeau | nksen: which browser? |
| 08:48.36 | tarzeau | nksen: install a real browser: links2 |
| 08:48.39 | nksen | tarzeau: the new opera |
| 08:48.44 | PerfDave | Bebabo: How do you mean? |
| 08:48.46 | tarzeau | nksen: haha |
| 08:48.57 | nksen | tarzeau: heh. never managed to compile framebuffer support in, so I'm missing the pictures on the sport sites ;) |
| 08:49.09 | Zibar | yep, problem solved :) |
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| 08:50.01 | Bebabo | PerfDave: i'd like to get authfail which isn't yet in any of woody/sarge/sid but there is a .deb source for it, but that archieve has other .deb's as well i do not want |
| 08:50.08 | tuxmaster | yixuan your problem with your kde is kde is not configured properly what is the error again |
| 08:50.29 | PerfDave | Bebabo: What is this other source? |
| 08:50.44 | Bebabo | http://olivier-lemaire.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/ |
| 08:51.04 | tarzeau | nksen: use the debian package it has fb and svgalib |
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| 08:51.20 | PerfDave | Bebabo: You can either grab the .deb by hand and "dpkg -i" it, or you can dick around with priorities and pinning in apt_preference |
| 08:51.21 | Zibar | hmmz, the instructions just says : Edit your /etc/modules.conf .... i take it i should know what to add/remove to this file ? |
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| 08:51.59 | micke | hi, i'm running woody, and after installing gd library by apt-get install gd, i got this error: |
| 08:52.01 | micke | PHP Fatal error: Unable to start session mm module in Unknown o |
| 08:52.03 | sml | Zibar: that fixed it ? |
| 08:52.19 | Zibar | yes ... ive compiled the driver now |
| 08:52.28 | sml | Zibar: good :) I'll go get a coffee now then |
| 08:52.33 | Zibar | :) |
| 08:52.36 | Zibar | have a good one |
| 08:52.40 | sml | Zibar: echo "name of kernel module" >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 08:52.44 | sml | Zibar: oh it will be ;) |
| 08:52.46 | PerfDave | micke: The package "gd" does not exist in woody. |
| 08:52.47 | Bebabo | thx, i'll go for dpkg -i for now... actually evaluating that thingy, have to many sshd brute force attacks on all "my" servers in the net |
| 08:52.48 | Zibar | sweet |
| 08:52.50 | sml | I'm a jedi on the coffee machine |
| 08:52.51 | Zibar | :) |
| 08:52.55 | Zibar | hehe |
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| 08:53.19 | micke | it installed, and i have in my apt-soruce only stable... |
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| 08:53.30 | _Scream78_ | hi |
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| 08:53.51 | sml | Zibar: you really *should* use update-modules since that's the *proper* way of doing it though |
| 08:53.55 | sml | Zibar: man update-modules |
| 08:53.56 | _Scream78_ | can you help me? |
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| 08:54.08 | Zibar | ok thx |
| 08:54.24 | PerfDave | micke: You're either mistaken or lying. There is no package called "gd" in Woody, according to http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:54.52 | PerfDave | !tell _Scream78_ -about ask |
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| 08:54.58 | ircdevil | libgd |
| 08:55.08 | abashuta | whats the name of the email server package that comes with debian? |
| 08:55.13 | WorkerII | How do you fix errors, in the postinstall file? |
| 08:55.13 | PerfDave | abashuta: exim |
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| 08:55.17 | micke | why should i be lying? i can gladly give you my apt-get sourcelist... i did apt-get install php4-gd2 |
| 08:55.19 | WorkerII | abashuta: sendmail. |
| 08:55.30 | PerfDave | micke: Then you were lying, since you said you did "apt-get install gd". |
| 08:55.33 | _Scream78_ | how can i remove a program without use apt? |
| 08:55.41 | WorkerII | abashuta: You have to install it .. exim is default, I guess. |
| 08:55.43 | PerfDave | _Scream78_: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 08:55.54 | sml | WorkerII: sendmail lol |
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| 08:56.10 | _Scream78_ | i've installed a program by tar.gz archive |
| 08:56.19 | micke | i did? i said gd |
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| 08:56.19 | PerfDave | _Scream78_: What program? |
| 08:56.24 | _Scream78_ | kvirc 3.0.1 |
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| 08:56.31 | sml | abashuta: you can use sendmail if you like it really is very good, however something tells me you'll be using exim before long even if you dont choose it as the default. |
| 08:56.40 | micke | are there more packadge named gd? |
| 08:56.55 | PerfDave | _Scream78_: Go to the source tree and type "make uninstall", as a first attempt. |
| 08:57.05 | sml | abashuta: in a word, sendmail is one HUGE MTA and has a fairly high learning curve even if you use m4. |
| 08:57.34 | _Scream78_ | Is that all? |
| 08:57.47 | micke | do you know how to fix it then? |
| 08:58.00 | PerfDave | _Scream78_: If it's a well-behaved piece of software, that should be all you need to do. |
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| 08:58.31 | PerfDave | _Scream78_: It's not relevant to your removal problem, but for future reference when hand-compiling software, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 09:00.41 | _Scream78_ | ok thanks, now i try to remove kvirc |
| 09:00.46 | _Scream78_ | hi |
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| 09:02.53 | Araldit | I run the apt-get upgrade nearly every day, I noticed that acroread gets upgraded every day, its a rather large file, so I just wonder. Anyone know where I can find some info or release notes on the program. It worked fine 14 days ago, so why keep ugrading??? |
| 09:02.56 | abashuta | okaythx |
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| 09:03.13 | WorkerII | Araldit: You don't read / .? |
| 09:03.22 | WorkerII | Araldit: /., even. |
| 09:03.54 | Araldit | WorkerII: What are you talking about..... |
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| 09:04.29 | WorkerII | Araldit: I know not if its related directly to your problem, but there was posted an article lately about acroread on /. I think. |
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| 09:05.07 | Araldit | Ok, thx.. I will search /. then.. |
| 09:05.17 | WorkerII | Araldit: Cool. |
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| 09:06.55 | nksen | lo. anyone has problems with the nvidia drivers and SHUTTING down the system? bootup works okay, but if I wanna shutdown the system crashes. any suggestions? |
| 09:07.05 | Ilusiv | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.28 | nksen | Ilusiv: quick answer: use scp instead of ftp |
| 09:07.49 | Ilusiv | nksen: i would, but i specifically need to use ftp |
| 09:08.00 | WorkerII | nksen: And slow answer? |
| 09:08.07 | WorkerII | nksen: :) |
| 09:08.10 | WorkerII | nksen: sftp? |
| 09:08.19 | jethro | nksen: when you don't have an answer, you can avoid answering |
| 09:08.42 | WorkerII | jethro: :) |
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| 09:09.04 | WorkerII | jethro: You still get councel "from below" ? :-) |
| 09:09.06 | nksen | WorkerII: heh |
| 09:09.10 | PerfDave | nksen: Are you sure the problem is related to your nvidia drivers? Do you not have this problem if you're using nv? |
| 09:09.15 | Ilusiv | so i take it no=one has any ideas |
| 09:09.23 | WorkerII | Ilusiv: How come? |
| 09:09.34 | jethro | !dict councel |
| 09:09.36 | dpkg | could not find definition for councel |
| 09:09.42 | WorkerII | oh sorry |
| 09:09.54 | nksen | PerfDave: nope. I do not have those problems if I run the system with nv. I installed the nvidia driver with the one-liner from dpkg. worked okay on one system (running enlightenment, dunno if this matters) on the other system it also worked, but does not run properly |
| 09:10.03 | Ilusiv | because my box is running a ftp daemon and if i just scp it to the location it won't register with the zip scripts or site commands |
| 09:10.07 | WorkerII | Seems my spelling needs some help |
| 09:10.13 | jethro | WorkerII: I wasn't getting the point yesterday, looked at some dictionnaries, still didn't find councel :) |
| 09:10.26 | PerfDave | nksen: Which version of Debian are you running? It may be worth checking a BTS and filing a bug if nobody else has. |
| 09:10.54 | WorkerII | council |
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| 09:11.11 | nksen | PerfDave: hm. it's sarge, dunno the exact release. running kernel-image 2.4.27-2 |
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| 09:11.29 | PerfDave | nksen: Have you checked the BTS for the nvidia-* packages? |
| 09:11.33 | jethro | WorkerII: and yes, my ass is wise :) |
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| 09:11.48 | WorkerII | jethro: advisory council |
| 09:11.52 | WorkerII | jethro: hehe :) |
| 09:13.09 | nksen | PerfDave: BTS? |
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| 09:13.22 | WorkerII | nksen: Read the topic, if possible. |
| 09:13.29 | WorkerII | !tell bts about nksen |
| 09:13.32 | jethro | !topicsmite nksen |
| 09:13.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nksen. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:13.41 | WorkerII | !tell nksen about bts |
| 09:13.44 | jethro | :) |
| 09:13.48 | nksen | WorkerII: hm. you're right. topic seems to have changed the last weeks ;) |
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| 09:13.57 | jethro | I don't think bts cares that much about nksen :) |
| 09:13.59 | nksen | and please do not spam me guys ;) |
| 09:14.11 | WorkerII | !shoot nksen |
| 09:14.25 | Starfire | pfft shotguns are so 90's |
| 09:14.27 | Agrajag- | hey all. for some reason, my XFree86 is constantly using about 3-6% cpu, and loads are higher than normal (always about 0.3 when machine is idle, top doesn't report anything but xfree86 using cpu). I can't figure out why this is, any ideas? |
| 09:14.27 | Starfire | we use gats now |
| 09:14.40 | Starfire | as in, gattling. as in like, u better start runnin dude |
| 09:14.44 | WorkerII | Starfire: dpkg is from the 90's, actually. |
| 09:14.45 | jethro | !any ideas |
| 09:14.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 09:14.53 | Starfire | workerII figures |
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| 09:15.33 | WorkerII | Starfire: At least it was double-barreled, right? |
| 09:15.36 | Agrajag- | that's great jethro, how about an idea related to my problem? |
| 09:15.37 | Starfire | nah |
| 09:15.46 | Starfire | SPAS-12's where its at for the shotguns |
| 09:15.57 | sml | Agrajag-: Because XFree86 is a cpu and memory hog perhaps. Use a vt. |
| 09:16.11 | nksen | PerfDave: well... anyway. I'll have a look at the bts then |
| 09:16.15 | nksen | PerfDave: thx so long |
| 09:16.19 | Agrajag- | sml: it didn't used to do this. i can't figure out whyi t's doing it now |
| 09:16.28 | WorkerII | nksen: um |
| 09:16.37 | Starfire | did you mess with it? |
| 09:16.40 | WorkerII | nksen: apt-get install something |
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| 09:17.02 | WorkerII | nksen: apt-get install querybts |
| 09:17.04 | WorkerII | or something |
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| 09:17.25 | priest | what happens when the mysql-bin logs turns over *.999? |
| 09:17.30 | WorkerII | Robinson won the election? |
| 09:17.31 | sml | Agrajag-: well I dunno, I dont use X. but if top says it's using 3-6% then it is. |
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| 09:18.17 | Agrajag- | sml: im not doubting that top is giving me incorrect values... |
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| 09:20.52 | ibshna | hi can you tell me, what do i have to do to have the 3rd section of the manpages ? |
| 09:20.57 | ecfx | checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 09:21.02 | ibshna | whatever i do, i get nothing on any functions |
| 09:21.11 | sml | ibshna: not even "man 3 foo" ? |
| 09:21.21 | ibshna | nothing |
| 09:22.00 | ibshna | sml: i have woody, just installed c/c++ from tasksel, maybe that would install it, but nothing |
| 09:22.12 | sml | sml: try "man 3 zlib" |
| 09:22.23 | ibshna | nil |
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| 09:22.35 | ibshna | sml: nothing |
| 09:22.35 | knoppel | sta diala |
| 09:22.44 | sml | hmmm section 3 of the manual is : 3 Library calls (functions within system libraries) |
| 09:22.51 | sml | so you would need to install those libraries.. |
| 09:23.14 | jm_ | ibshna: install manpages-dev |
| 09:23.16 | ibshna | sml: but im an active coder, i gotta have those libs |
| 09:23.24 | ibshna | jm_: i did, still nothing |
| 09:23.36 | sml | ibshna: you have /usr/share/man/man3 ? |
| 09:23.44 | jm_ | ibshna: ll /usr/share/man/man3 |
| 09:24.08 | sml | s/ll/ls |
| 09:24.09 | ibshna | no such file |
| 09:24.22 | ibshna | or directory |
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| 09:24.33 | sml | ibshna: *strange* |
| 09:24.40 | ibshna | sml: i know ! |
| 09:24.44 | Starfire | dooo-dooo-doooooooOOOooo |
| 09:25.06 | jm_ | ibshna: well reinstall the package |
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| 09:26.01 | ibshna | i dont have a man-3 but i have a man3, and it seems to have lots of stuff |
| 09:26.34 | jim | ls /usr/share/man |
| 09:26.35 | ibshna | strange |
| 09:26.45 | jim | well actually |
| 09:26.53 | jim | ls /usr/share/man | wc -l |
| 09:26.54 | ibshna | but not many functions are there |
| 09:26.58 | jim | for starterd |
| 09:27.14 | ibshna | 17 |
| 09:27.33 | jim | man3 is where the -3 stuff goes |
| 09:27.43 | ibshna | i figured that |
| 09:27.52 | jim | oh, ok, I get it I think |
| 09:28.03 | ibshna | there is some stuff here, mainly perl, but i dont want that |
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| 09:28.16 | jim | it's when you install lib*-dev packages you get stuff there |
| 09:28.20 | jm_ | reinstall the package |
| 09:28.24 | ibshna | ah |
| 09:28.34 | ibshna | ok |
| 09:28.48 | jm_ | manpages-dev doesn't have everything, just some man pages, you need to install the rest separately, like jim said |
| 09:29.05 | ibshna | ok, thanks |
| 09:29.31 | jm_ | your description lead me to believe it doesn't show anything for section 3 ;) |
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| 09:29.46 | jim | what do you mean by "i don't want that" |
| 09:29.58 | ibshna | well, it didnt show the ones you suggested, and what i searched |
| 09:29.59 | jim | you should not delete files there |
| 09:30.04 | ibshna | of course not |
| 09:30.14 | ibshna | its just i didnt want to install those |
| 09:30.28 | ozzloy | ok, so i have some questions about compiling. when you go from C to an object file, this is called "compiling", what's it called when you go from assembly to object? |
| 09:30.34 | ozzloy | assembling? |
| 09:30.41 | ibshna | linking |
| 09:30.44 | ibshna | i think |
| 09:30.52 | jim | reason: packages put files there, if you mess with that, you challenge the stability debian tries to give |
| 09:31.08 | PerfDave | ibshna: linking is from object to executable |
| 09:31.10 | ibshna | jim: i dont want do erase anything at all, nor uninstall |
| 09:31.20 | ibshna | yeah, sorry |
| 09:31.29 | ozzloy | ibshna, what's it called to go from C to assembly? |
| 09:31.31 | jim | of course, rming a man page isn't going to make your system segfault everytime you move the mouse or something... |
| 09:31.53 | jim | but the packaging system might find it weird to see something missing |
| 09:31.57 | ibshna | ozzloy: i dont know, i never did assembly, i thought you asked object to exec |
| 09:32.07 | PerfDave | ozzloy: I'd guess "translating". Actually, it's probably still "compiling", since AIUI assembly is a one-to-one mapping of machine code. |
| 09:32.10 | ibshna | sure jim |
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| 09:32.25 | ozzloy | ibshna, yeah, i did, but i'm asking about other parts as well |
| 09:32.31 | ibshna | ok |
| 09:32.36 | cafuego | first the preprocessor runs to handle includes & macros |
| 09:33.09 | sml | PerfDave: depends what type of assembly it is it might not be AIUI. |
| 09:34.02 | sml | gas/nasm etc |
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| 09:35.08 | ozzloy | thanx PerfDave ibshna and cafuego |
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| 09:35.23 | cafuego | don't thank me, pay my bills! |
| 09:35.28 | ibshna | heheh |
| 09:35.30 | PerfDave | sml: Fair enough. I'm no assembler expert, I started with C. |
| 09:35.31 | ibshna | bye |
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| 09:35.57 | sml | PerfDave: I was forced to do some assembler and BCD (binary coded decimal on macs) once |
| 09:36.00 | jim | learning forth will make learning asm easier |
| 09:36.08 | sml | bcd was fun. |
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| 09:36.34 | sml | PerfDave: IMAO one need only learn C. all other languages are toys. |
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| 09:36.59 | jim | sml: sometimes compile time sucks :P |
| 09:37.33 | jim | sometimes you jsut want to write a program and have it run |
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| 09:38.02 | ozzloy | cafuego, how much for the line "first the preprocessor runs to handle includes & macros"? |
| 09:38.10 | directhex|work | sml, SQL is a toy? |
| 09:38.16 | cafuego | ozzloy: $165/hour or part thereof. |
| 09:38.17 | petemc | or perl |
| 09:38.31 | cafuego | ozzloy: $165 (includes 10% GST) |
| 09:38.37 | ozzloy | hehehe |
| 09:38.39 | directhex|work | sml, and i'd much rather hack things together in perl than in godawful c |
| 09:38.44 | ozzloy | that's a tad steep |
| 09:38.52 | cafuego | Seems to work |
| 09:39.13 | ozzloy | i'm gonna hafta go ahead and steal and not pay for the help you've given me |
| 09:39.20 | ozzloy | because i'm shady like that |
| 09:39.31 | jim | C is for writing these other languages tho, and kernels and system-level stuff like that |
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| 09:40.28 | tarzeau | can i remove a pgp signature from a file using gpg? |
| 09:40.41 | tarzeau | (a text signature) |
| 09:40.48 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I doubt it. |
| 09:40.58 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Use $EDITOR :) |
| 09:41.16 | ozzloy | isn't a text signature just a bunch of text at the end of the message? |
| 09:41.36 | ozzloy | that you could delete? |
| 09:41.47 | PerfDave | ozzloy: Yeah, and a line at the top. |
| 09:41.49 | micke | hi, i have tried to fix the problem that occured when i did an apt-get install php4-gd2, i have used google a bit, and this seems as an cooomn problem in debian, does someone know how to solve it? |
| 09:41.49 | micke | PHP Fatal error: Unable to start session mm module in Unknown on line 0 |
| 09:41.56 | ozzloy | using any text... wait that's what PerfDave was saying |
| 09:42.05 | gothtec | Which package contains "top"? |
| 09:42.11 | PerfDave | gothtec: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:46.05 | sml | directhex|work: SQL isn't a programming language. |
| 09:46.33 | b33r | is ipsec an availible kernel module or do i need free s/wan? |
| 09:46.36 | directhex|work | sml, i see you've not done much with SQL, then |
| 09:47.00 | sml | directhex|work: I've used it for querying databases. What have you done with it? Written an OS? If that's the case I'd point you towards C. |
| 09:47.04 | PerfDave | b33r: Depends what kernel version you're running, AIUI. |
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| 09:47.13 | b33r | aiui? |
| 09:47.21 | b33r | 2.6.8 |
| 09:47.33 | zms | hello folks |
| 09:47.37 | sml | tarzeau: if it's plain-signed just use sed to remove the signature. |
| 09:47.42 | PerfDave | IIRC SQL is Turing-complete, but I could be mistaken about that. |
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| 09:48.20 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i believe it is. but it's not C. go query your databses in C. then write some shell scripts in C. |
| 09:48.38 | directhex|work | buffer overflows wouldn't be the problem they are today if it wasn't for all the people using sodding C |
| 09:49.06 | sml | tarzeau: sed -e 's+^- -+-+' \ -e '/BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE/d' \ -e '/BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE/,/END PGP SIGNATURE/d' \ -e '/BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK/,/END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK/d' |
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| 09:49.30 | saverio- | i have a problem with maildir, i would like to setup a maildir subfolder to be a link on a different directory that is going to be backupped, but if i create a new maildir subfolder called .Backup than its subfolders won't be inside the linked directory because they will be .Backup.Subfolder1 and .Backup.Subfolder2 and not .Backup/.Subfolder1 as i wuold like, can anybody help me? |
| 09:50.16 | sml | PerfDave: erm so is sendmail touring complete. someone solved the towers of hanoi problem in a sendmail.cf does that make it good for writing software though? |
| 09:50.46 | liable | where are the bash logs when you just log into console |
| 09:51.14 | sml | directhex|work: erm i do agree with the way C program put code on teh stack however. |
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| 09:51.39 | sml | directhex|work: however if people just useed boundary checking and safe versions of function calls then we'd be better off too. |
| 09:52.08 | directhex|work | sml, that depends whether it produced readable, logical, secure code. personally, having written my degree thesis in C, i'm planning on avoiding it like the plagie for the next forever or so |
| 09:52.12 | sml | directhex|work: we've had these problems ever since day one it's shocking that not a day goes by when someone doesn't execute code on the stack through a non-checked buffer. |
| 09:53.57 | liable | anyone? |
| 09:54.08 | petemc | liable: logs of what? |
| 09:54.09 | sml | directhex|work: i've never had the return value changed on any function i've ever written and pointed back to overflown memory. There are tools to check your code for you if you're a muppet-coder so there really is no excuse. |
| 09:54.12 | WorkerII | liable: Me? |
| 09:54.18 | zeeble | WorkerII: heh |
| 09:54.31 | liable | petemc: bash commands, WorkerII heh bah :) |
| 09:54.50 | petemc | liable: ~/.bash_history - gets written when you logout |
| 09:55.27 | liable | petemc: hmm, when I use a term it does, but console doesnt |
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| 09:55.50 | petemc | liable: look at the invocation section of the bash manpage |
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| 09:56.07 | liable | petemc: ok cheers |
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| 09:57.17 | sml | is there a linux version of itunes ? |
| 09:57.36 | PerfDave | sml: Who said anything about it being a good language for every task? No language is a good language for every task. That doesn't mean that SQL isn't a programming language. |
| 09:57.40 | PerfDave | sml: I bloody hope not :) |
| 09:57.54 | petemc | PerfDave: why not? |
| 09:57.55 | sml | how do i fill up my iPod then ? |
| 09:58.01 | sml | well "the iPod that i have yet to buy" |
| 09:58.07 | petemc | sml: dont buy an ipod |
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| 09:58.16 | sml | petemc: but i want one boohoo :'( |
| 09:58.24 | sml | petemc: why do you hate yours ? |
| 09:58.24 | petemc | sml: get an iriver or something |
| 09:58.31 | petemc | its shite from hell |
| 09:58.32 | PerfDave | sml: Same as any other music player. Download MP3s or rip them off CDs. Or get a proper music player that supports real formats and doesn't support DRM. |
| 09:58.36 | idnar | or a Neuros |
| 09:58.52 | sml | is the iRiver technically superior ? |
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| 09:59.01 | petemc | wrt formats, yes |
| 09:59.40 | sml | To be honest I usually listen to music on mp3 in the car, however since the weather is getting nicer and nicer by the day I'm going to be cycling in and it's a *long* way. SO I was thinking of getting an iPod or a shuffle |
| 09:59.46 | sml | are those sony "shuffles" out yet ? |
| 09:59.53 | Gnea | I'm working on this machine that's got an ATI Radeon 9500 dual head video card but we only need to use the first head. It's not running X, we just want to run something like fbtv on it as a framebuffer television on a bttv card. Both radeonfb and vesafb fail to hook the device up, has anyone here ever gone this route and if so, have any tips? |
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| 10:00.37 | sml | petemc: What software do you use for linux for your iPod ? |
| 10:00.54 | petemc | sml: none, my main work machine is a powerbook |
| 10:01.05 | Starfire | i used gtkpod |
| 10:01.13 | sml | Starfire: Is it good? |
| 10:01.18 | Starfire | yea works pretty well |
| 10:01.19 | Gnea | this is in sid |
| 10:01.27 | PerfDave | sml: I don't see why you'd want an Apple player for cycling with. |
| 10:01.29 | Starfire | very easy GUI |
| 10:01.33 | sml | Starfire: Don't you have to use a firewire card for that ? |
| 10:01.36 | Starfire | nope |
| 10:01.38 | sml | PerfDave: the capacity |
| 10:01.44 | Starfire | get a USB/iEEE cable |
| 10:01.45 | sml | PerfDave: 60GB |
| 10:01.59 | Starfire | they make usb cables for them now |
| 10:02.11 | sml | That's why I want the player, however I can see your point why not use a portable CD player. |
| 10:02.21 | sml | in fact I might just get an MD player. |
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| 10:02.27 | PerfDave | sml: You can't get that capacity from non-Apple players? |
| 10:02.36 | Starfire | guys |
| 10:02.38 | sml | PerfDave: Haven't seen any non-iPod players with 60GB |
| 10:02.39 | Starfire | get an ipod hands down |
| 10:02.42 | Starfire | heres why |
| 10:02.46 | Starfire | if you dont fill it all for songs |
| 10:02.48 | sml | PerfDave: lmao. Well its only 10km. |
| 10:02.51 | Starfire | just read part of it as a disk |
| 10:02.56 | Starfire | and u can use it like a hard drive |
| 10:02.58 | PerfDave | sml: Wow, you must cycle *really* slowly ;) |
| 10:03.04 | Starfire | i use a folder on my ipod for a hard drive |
| 10:03.06 | Starfire | works great ^_^ |
| 10:03.10 | PerfDave | Starfire: What, like every other music player? |
| 10:03.11 | petemc | Starfire: theres nothing unique about that |
| 10:03.16 | Starfire | x_x |
| 10:03.16 | directhex|work | creative had a 60gb player on the market about a year before apple |
| 10:03.20 | sml | PerfDave: ok ok ok I get your point! but i Really really really want one and I dont know why and I cant justify it! There! you happy! :-) |
| 10:03.21 | idnar | sml: you can get the Neuros with a 60GB player afaik |
| 10:03.23 | Starfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.28 | Starfire | gimme a break |
| 10:03.31 | idnar | er, not player :P |
| 10:03.40 | Starfire | i live in a small works, confined to this house. i dont know everything ._. |
| 10:03.41 | petemc | ipods crash |
| 10:03.42 | directhex|work | PerfDave, sml's drunk the kool-aid |
| 10:03.51 | sml | PerfDave: I can do it in 20-30 minutes that journey depending on wind/rain. |
| 10:03.55 | directhex|work | all apple kit crashes, just as i try to use it |
| 10:03.59 | petemc | and every fucker has one, you'll be embarassed to take it in public |
| 10:04.04 | idnar | sml: ah yes, they go up to 80GB |
| 10:04.06 | PerfDave | sml: Not really. I don't recomend people support Apple's DRM and lock-in attempts. |
| 10:04.11 | Starfire | ipods do not crash what the fuck |
| 10:04.20 | sml | directhex|work: I quite like the apple laptop too (is it the G4?) I've never owned any apple kit but , never say never! |
| 10:04.28 | sml | PerfDave: DRM ? |
| 10:04.30 | micke | any suggestions anyone? or ami the only one with the describe prob? |
| 10:04.31 | directhex|work | petemc, you'd think that, but nobody has an ipod in their pocket, they hold t in their hands and wave it about as they walk down the street. i call it "podwalking" |
| 10:04.33 | PerfDave | sml: Be aware that Apple has locked out third-party software in the past, so there's no guarantee that your Linux iPod software will contine to work. |
| 10:04.42 | Starfire | im not a mac fan, i dont use their OS's but i like my ipod thanks very much -_- |
| 10:04.43 | kneet | Running a creative here (both music and disk) - no problems whatsoever - and was a lot cheaper than the equiv ipod |
| 10:04.46 | petemc | directhex|work: ive seen them wear them as medallions :( |
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| 10:04.47 | sml | PerfDave: OK well that's worth bearing in mind. |
| 10:05.03 | PerfDave | sml: Digital Restrictions Management - basically encryption which removes your legal rights of fair use, and destroys interoperability. |
| 10:05.04 | sml | PerfDave: Did they "invent" ACC or whatever it's called ? |
| 10:05.08 | Starfire | yea |
| 10:05.13 | Starfire | its an apple codec |
| 10:05.13 | petemc | every ipod firmware update cripples some functionality |
| 10:05.17 | directhex|work | petemc, i need to get some t-shirts made with a big arrow pointing armwards saying "look at my ipod, i am cool" |
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| 10:05.42 | directhex|work | sml, aac is licensed from dolby. m4p (protected aac) is their own layers of encryption on aac |
| 10:05.50 | PerfDave | sml: AAC is the same as MP4, it's a patent-encumbered format. Apple have "FairPlay" DRM wrapped around it. |
| 10:06.01 | directhex|work | aac is not an apple codec, but only the ipod bothers to support it |
| 10:06.04 | sml | directhex|work: Is there anyway to remove the encryption without putting it through analogue ? |
| 10:06.11 | Starfire | MP4 is video, m4p is a protected ACC perfdave |
| 10:06.13 | directhex|work | sml, not legally |
| 10:06.24 | PerfDave | sml: You can remove the encryption, but you're still funding it. |
| 10:06.27 | gothtec | What's the least processor intensive program that can return a value in percent for the current load on the cpu? |
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| 10:06.54 | jm_ | gothtec: cat /proc/loadavg |
| 10:06.59 | PerfDave | sml: Do a search on http://www.boingboing.net/ for "ipod" and see how many horror stories about people being locked out of their music collections, unilateral change of TOS and locking out third-party software show up. |
| 10:07.02 | sml | you know...... if they come up with portable dvd players that play mp3's then that'll be adequate for me. |
| 10:07.09 | sml | like I have in my car. but a portable one. |
| 10:07.12 | petemc | sml: get a psp |
| 10:07.20 | PerfDave | sml: You can get portable CD players which play mp3s off data CDs. |
| 10:07.33 | sml | PerfDave: Yeah I know my bro has one, but do they have DVD ones yet ? |
| 10:07.39 | PerfDave | sml: No idea. |
| 10:07.44 | Starfire | perfdeave, i use an ipod. my moron brother uses an ipod. my dad who cant even work WINDOWS, has an ipod... and they all work just fine.... i dont see whats to complane about |
| 10:07.45 | sml | PerfDave: Because then we're talking 4.7GB on the cheap! |
| 10:08.05 | sml | Starfire: Apple trying to be microsoft I think is the problem. |
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| 10:08.17 | Starfire | sml, apple has always been a monopoly |
| 10:08.23 | PerfDave | Starfire: Then you're a moron :) |
| 10:08.37 | sml | Starfire: Creating non-open standards subject to change at short notice and break things plus control over the spreading of music, which they really should be for not against, if im getting this argument correct. |
| 10:09.06 | Starfire | sml lets bag on GE, and Nextel, and even Albertsons, cause you know, everyones running the corperate rat race... so theyre fare game |
| 10:09.22 | PerfDave | http://www.boingboing.net/2004/01/27/protect_your_investm.html is a good read on why you shouldn't buy into AAC or WMA |
| 10:09.23 | Starfire | i just dont get it. its a music player. pick the one you like, and use it. |
| 10:09.40 | Starfire | perfdave = parrinoid |
| 10:09.49 | PerfDave | Starfire: But if the way the player works changes constantly, out of your control, then how do you know it's the one you like? |
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| 10:10.02 | micke | i belive not. This is a very friendly chanel = not |
| 10:10.10 | Starfire | perfdave.... i belive this is called OVER-ANNALYZING! |
| 10:10.13 | PerfDave | Starfire: I'm not paranoid. I'm a sensible consumer. I look at what I'm going to buy, see what the implications of that purchase are, and make my decision. |
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| 10:10.31 | Starfire | perfdave, you buy a playstation 2.... 5 god damned years later, it STILL PLAYS GAMES! |
| 10:10.34 | saverio- | i have a problem with maildir, i would like to setup a maildir subfolder to be a link on a different directory that is going to be backupped, but if i create a new maildir subfolder called .Backup than its subfolders won't be inside the linked directory because they will be .Backup.Subfolder1 and .Backup.Subfolder2 and not .Backup/.Subfolder1 as i wuold like, can anybody help me? |
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| 10:10.41 | sml | micke: It is friendly! You just need to accept that people here have very strong feelings on certain topics and that's a *good* thing not a bad one! |
| 10:10.56 | Noda | hello has anyone here had any exp with putting debian on a mac 64k ? |
| 10:10.58 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i heard some online music stores are changing their back-end provider. i think under the TOC, that means all their old tracks which aren;t licensed by the new back-end will be locked down & unplpayable |
| 10:11.02 | PerfDave | Starfire: Yes, but Playstations won't stop you playing new playstation games unless you update the firmware which breaks your old games :) |
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| 10:11.24 | micke | sml: please explain them to me then. Private or in the main, do as u like. |
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| 10:11.44 | Silveira | how to apply patch on samba? |
| 10:11.47 | directhex|work | e.g. if $foo_record_label is on od2 but not musicnet, all $foo_record_label .wma files become digital paperweight |
| 10:11.54 | Guerin | micke: explain #debian's pet topics? Impossible! |
| 10:11.55 | sml | micke: What would you like explaining? In what way do you find this channel unfriendly? |
| 10:12.00 | Silveira | the files are patch......diffs.gz |
| 10:12.07 | Starfire | perfdave ive written custom firmware for my ps2 that allows me to play ISO image burnt cd-r's... and my old games work fine. tell me why sony would release an update of firmware, so that their old games that were still selling, would become deffective... its an income massicre!! |
| 10:12.09 | sml | Guerin: hey just a quick question is your first name Justin? |
| 10:12.09 | Jim__ | is there anyone french here ? |
| 10:12.10 | streuner | Silveria: apt-get source samba - /msg dpkg patch |
| 10:12.13 | PerfDave | Starfire: No, it's not over-analysing. By buying an iPod, I would be supporting things I ethically dislike, I'd be tying myself in to a device whose behaviour can change at any time, and I'd be running the risk of having my iPod rendered unusable when they block the third-party Linux software. |
| 10:12.26 | PerfDave | Starfire: Sony wouldn't. Apple would, and have done. |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | this channel is friendly... it's just picky about who its friends are |
| 10:12.31 | streuner | Jim__: #debian-fr |
| 10:12.37 | Guerin | sml: this is not the first time I've been asked; but no |
| 10:12.40 | Jim__ | ok thanks streuner |
| 10:12.55 | Noda | can any1 here help me put debian on my mac 64k ? |
| 10:12.58 | PerfDave | Starfire: Really, I suggest you read up on Apple's anti-competitive tactics concerning the iPod. |
| 10:12.59 | sml | Guerin: hehe ok. It's just I saw someone called "Justin Guerin" on the debian-user mailing list and just wondered if it was you! |
| 10:13.02 | Starfire | perfdave...i used to be an asshole, im not anymore. would you refuse to talk to me now, because i could turn into an utter asshole again? come on, this is messed up |
| 10:13.04 | PerfDave | Noda: #debianppc may be a better bet. |
| 10:13.13 | Noda | ok thanks |
| 10:13.24 | Guerin | Starfire: but apple are STILL assholes |
| 10:13.27 | PerfDave | Starfire: No, because if you start being an asshole again, I don't lose any benefit from conversations we've already had. |
| 10:13.38 | Starfire | apple believes in running their business that way |
| 10:13.42 | Starfire | and it works for them. good for them! |
| 10:13.47 | Guerin | Starfire: so fuck 'em. |
| 10:13.56 | micke | sml: do not take it that serious, i'm only getting frustrated, since this s*it machine with debian/woody don't work... and got accused of lying instead... that i don't like |
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| 10:14.21 | Guerin | micke: please swear instead of obfuscating |
| 10:14.23 | PerfDave | Starfire: Yes, and people buy their products without realising what they're actualy buying. So I'm happy to give people the full skinny on Apple so they can make informed decisions. |
| 10:14.24 | sml | micke: lol. ok tell me what it's doing either here or in private and i'll see if I can help you. |
| 10:14.24 | directhex|work | consumers, however, are idiots. things are already starting to bite them in the ass, thanks to the joys of DRM (and pro-DRM companies like apple) |
| 10:14.24 | Guerin | :) |
| 10:14.27 | Starfire | i hate import cars. my parents have nissans. i have a ford myself. i refuse to drive their imports. be the way u wanna be is what im saying. buy what you want. its your money. i just dont see how arguing is gonna solve it.. |
| 10:14.59 | PerfDave | Starfire: I'm not arguing. I'm advocating a point of view, and I'm giving information which isn't widely known. |
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| 10:15.20 | Starfire | perfdave, then give good information aswell. dont just bombard and verbally rape apple. thats not giving the fully skinny (oxymoron) thats belitteling the company and imposing your will on others -_- |
| 10:15.21 | Silveira | streuner do i have to patch one by one? cause my version is 3.0.10 and the latest is 3.0.14a |
| 10:15.38 | PerfDave | Starfire: In what way am I not giving good information? What have I said that is false? |
| 10:15.40 | streuner | Silveria: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 10:16.12 | Starfire | your mis-understood me perfdave. i said give the pro's AND con's, not just con's.... |
| 10:16.27 | directhex|work | the pros? having an ipod makes you cool |
| 10:16.33 | Starfire | people are more apt to listen to you if your fair and ballenced. |
| 10:16.44 | Starfire | and dont stick up for other people thats like, way 2nd grade dude lol |
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| 10:17.15 | PerfDave | Starfire: Apple's marketing department are quite capable of giving arguments in favour of buying an iPod themselves without my support. |
| 10:17.20 | pinks | i6 |
| 10:17.34 | Starfire | perfdave: missed my point again -_- |
| 10:17.42 | liable | petemc: well, all that did was make my head hurt :) I executed some commands last night, and cannot for the life of me find them in the logs |
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| 10:18.05 | directhex|work | what? that's the main selling factor for the ipod, it's "cool". as a player, it has average audio quality, above average interface, below average codec support, average build quality. taking it more circumspect, though, apple can, will, and have enforced firmware updates to lock out content they don';t want people playing anymore |
| 10:18.18 | PerfDave | Starfire: To be honest, I don't see any advantage to buying an iPod, so it's hard for me to advocate doing so. |
| 10:18.19 | Guerin | Starfire: as far as I can figure, your only point is "Hey, apple are nice guys who make shiny stuff for me to buy. Don't diss!" |
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| 10:19.01 | Starfire | it has nothing to do with apple's oppinion. ofcourse they want you to buy it. they put months of R&D into it. MY point is, if you feel strongly, and you wish to inform people, as you say; then tell people whats good about an ipod, its features, and what it does thats worthwhile, and then what you happen to belive. people will listen and wont end up pushing back like i am, if your more levelheaded |
| 10:19.05 | mosty | directhex: what's available with better audio quality? |
| 10:19.09 | Starfire | guerin that was totally uncalled for... |
| 10:19.18 | Guerin | Starfire: no, it was completely called for. |
| 10:19.30 | Starfire | ipods are not shiny |
| 10:19.37 | Starfire | and i dont buy them |
| 10:19.39 | Starfire | try again |
| 10:19.41 | Guerin | Starfire: you haven't made another point thus far, other than the null "Everyone's allowed their opinion". |
| 10:19.43 | directhex|work | mosty, creative or rio players. |
| 10:19.45 | PerfDave | Starfire: I'm being perfectly level-headed. I don't see anything good about an iPod. You're "pushing back" because you don't want to admit that you have no good reason for liking Apple :) |
| 10:20.02 | Starfire | i dont like apple |
| 10:20.08 | mosty | directhex: are those iriver players any good? |
| 10:20.20 | directhex|work | mosty, the apple player can be counted as having above average audio quality if & only if you never plan on listening to an album of some kind on it, only use shuffle |
| 10:20.23 | Guerin | my mum's about to buy a rio karma |
| 10:20.25 | PerfDave | Starfire: Then stop whining about people pointing out the technical and ethical flaws in their products :) |
| 10:21.09 | Silveira | is there a difference between *.diff and *.diffs? |
| 10:21.24 | PerfDave | Starfire: Remember, it's "down the hall" not "across the street". |
| 10:22.00 | Guerin | PerfDave: that was cold. |
| 10:22.06 | Guerin | and not in a good way |
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| 10:22.24 | PerfDave | Guerin: *shrug* |
| 10:22.34 | PerfDave | Guerin: One less Apple fangirl in the world ;) |
| 10:23.04 | SuperSox | to be honest (I haven't scrolled back) anyone who announces that they are going to comit suicide should be given all the help they require to sucessfully complete it |
| 10:23.27 | Guerin | spoken like someone who's never had a friend commit suicide |
| 10:23.40 | SuperSox | I have, thats exactly why I said it. |
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| 10:23.52 | directhex|work | Guerin, i have a rio karma. it plays flac and vorbis. |
| 10:23.53 | SuperSox | Guerin: I know someone who tried it proeprly, and I've known people who have done it for attention |
| 10:24.12 | SuperSox | Those that do it for attention stop people who really have issues from getting the help they need |
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| 10:24.29 | Guerin | SuperSox: i'm not going to get into this argument. |
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| 10:24.43 | SuperSox | Guerin: its not an argument, its only my point of view ;) |
| 10:24.52 | Guerin | directhex|work: yeah, I know. Is there a firmware fix which allows it to read filenames instead of tags? |
| 10:24.58 | SuperSox | Guerin: no one said it was correct, but I wont push further, I respect your reasoning. |
| 10:25.03 | Guerin | SuperSox: it would be an argument if I joined in. |
| 10:25.06 | rixth | What (in #debain's opinion) is the best harddisk based mp3 player? In terms on Linux compatibility |
| 10:25.09 | rixth | of* |
| 10:25.10 | Araldit | I want to install phonegaim, but it is only availible for unstable... Is it possible to port it to debian testing ? |
| 10:25.19 | directhex|work | Guerin, filenames aren't part of the file system |
| 10:25.24 | directhex|work | Araldit, it might justwork(tm) |
| 10:25.25 | Guerin | Araldit: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:25.26 | streuner | rixth: there is an easy way |
| 10:25.27 | liable | bash commands from virtual console, wheres the logs, in x open a term there logged, console not, how can I get t to log |
| 10:25.32 | SuperSox | Guerin: *zzzzip* /me 's mouth sealed. |
| 10:25.37 | streuner | rixth: groups.google.com ;-) |
| 10:25.40 | Guerin | directhex|work: oh, ok. It organises everything by tags? |
| 10:25.50 | directhex|work | rixth, any MSC-compatible player gives the best linux compatability |
| 10:26.05 | Guerin | directhex|work: so if a file has bad or no tags, it won't find it, or will misorganise it? |
| 10:26.06 | rixth | streuner, now now. I'd get an iPod but they battery life is crap! |
| 10:26.12 | rixth | directhex|work, MSC? |
| 10:26.14 | directhex|work | Guerin, the file system is basically a big sql database, with the actual music as a BLOB. dirty way of looking at it, but fairly good as an analogy |
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| 10:26.31 | SuperSox | the whole battery life thing on the ipod is blown out of proportion, and rather untrue |
| 10:26.38 | directhex|work | rixth, mass storage controller, it defines driverless fat32 removable storage |
| 10:26.41 | SuperSox | I've got an ipod and I've no problems with its battery life. |
| 10:26.42 | Starfire | i agree supersox |
| 10:26.49 | directhex|work | i never said anything about battery life |
| 10:26.52 | Guerin | directhex|work: eew |
| 10:26.58 | SuperSox | directhex|work: no, but rixth did |
| 10:26.59 | rixth | directhex|work, you mean the type that just shows up as a harddisk? |
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| 10:27.18 | directhex|work | rixth, yes. if you can just drop files on with cp, it's pretty linux-happy |
| 10:27.34 | Starfire | thats what ive been trying to say -_- |
| 10:27.39 | directhex|work | rixth, in terms of more ethical choice, the neuros player has open-source firmware and hardware schematics |
| 10:27.50 | Guerin | heh, is the ESS maestro 3 considered to be a decent soundcard? |
| 10:27.55 | Guerin | </troll> |
| 10:27.56 | SuperSox | I've heard the ipod works quite well in linux, but I haven't tried it yet |
| 10:28.05 | Starfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.10 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 10:28.18 | SuperSox | Guerin: I've got one, it works quite well.... o_O |
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| 10:28.33 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Try reading the pscrollback for the last half hour or so ;) |
| 10:28.36 | Starfire | supersox i use my ipod mainly on here (my linux box laptop) and it works just fine. i use gtkpod for a proggie |
| 10:28.38 | Guerin | Starfire: i stole one outta a box from work, and all I can say is that it's better than the onboard... |
| 10:29.02 | Starfire | guerin, granted yours isnt 11 years old |
| 10:29.09 | rixth | directhex|work, I'm also looking for reliability, I will be buying from the USA and bringing it back to NZ so I want no problems! |
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| 10:29.12 | Guerin | (my other option was a yamaha opl3-based isa evilness |
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| 10:29.14 | SuperSox | PerfDave: nah, I'm just having a coffee then I'm off to my flat to get some windows work done |
| 10:29.21 | Guerin | Starfire: nope, it's PCI |
| 10:29.26 | SuperSox | Guerin: I've got one on my laptop it seems to work ok :) |
| 10:29.32 | Starfire | guerin wasnt expecting that -_- |
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| 10:29.49 | Guerin | SuperSox: I have an opl3 card in my laptop, and it's great ... IF you can get it working |
| 10:29.58 | Guerin | which I can now, though it took me 7 days the first time |
| 10:29.58 | SuperSox | the only thing thats not working on my laptop at the moment is the GPRS card |
| 10:30.06 | Starfire | ive got a sound blaster 2 audigy for my windows box so i dont know how it works for desktops |
| 10:30.31 | SuperSox | I hardly use the sound card on my laptop - the speakers are shot |
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| 10:30.44 | Starfire | my right speaker is shot too supersox :( |
| 10:30.56 | SuperSox | Starfire: both of mine are :( |
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| 10:31.04 | Starfire | supersox, guess im not far behind |
| 10:31.13 | directhex|work | rixth, currently the player i'd get if my karma died tomorrow is the cowon iaudio m3, which is sexy & plays vorbis & is MSCish |
| 10:31.14 | Guerin | ok, dinnah |
| 10:31.27 | SuperSox | Starfire: well, I'm on a rather old Dell Latitude, I didn't buy it for it's multimedia capabilities |
| 10:31.29 | streuner | at this time? :-) |
| 10:31.36 | e2e | hi, is there anybody from Germany, i have a question (it's off topic i know :() |
| 10:31.36 | Starfire | supersox your kidding me |
| 10:31.41 | SuperSox | Starfire: no, why? |
| 10:31.46 | Guerin | streuner: 19:30 is a perfectly reasonable hour for dinnah :) |
| 10:31.48 | Starfire | supersox: im on a latitude C600! |
| 10:31.54 | streuner | e2e: we don't like OT questins, so bye |
| 10:31.57 | SuperSox | Starfire: thats exactly what I'm using.. |
| 10:32.04 | Starfire | supersox ROFl |
| 10:32.08 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Quick synopsis: <PerfDave> iPods work in Linux currently, but Apple have a history of locking out third-party applications. And changing their TOS. They're unscrupulous, DRM-supporting bastards, see http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod&sitesearch=boingboing.net for details <Starfire> Wah j00 suxx |
| 10:32.26 | SuperSox | PerfDave: ah :) |
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| 10:32.45 | streuner | Guerin: hm, 7hrs. difference, thanks. |
| 10:32.53 | SuperSox | PerfDave: I couldn't care less, my parents bought me my iPod for my 21st, its shiney and it plays music, I don't really ask any more of it |
| 10:32.59 | Starfire | i do not suck..... ive had absolutely no sexual encounters in my almost-17 years of existance so i resent that comment... |
| 10:33.18 | Guerin | SuperSox: typical apple geek, then? |
| 10:33.20 | rixth | directhex|work, MSC-ish? heh |
| 10:33.21 | SuperSox | mine worked first time, although I need to toy with it a bit more, tapping the pad gives a double click where I only want a single |
| 10:33.24 | PerfDave | Starfire: Who said anything about you sucking? |
| 10:33.25 | mosty | you should get out more |
| 10:33.29 | SuperSox | Guerin: its the only apple bit of hardware that I own |
| 10:33.29 | Starfire | YOU!!! |
| 10:33.30 | rusko | Starfire: it'd suck to be you |
| 10:33.39 | Starfire | -_- |
| 10:33.41 | PerfDave | Starfire: I suggest you read what I said again, more carefully. |
| 10:33.46 | Guerin | eh |
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| 10:33.51 | PerfDave | Mmm, Starfire being 17 explains everything ;) |
| 10:33.55 | Starfire | .... |
| 10:33.58 | Guerin | all these people with names starting with S are doing me in |
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| 10:34.07 | Guerin | Starfire: typical apple geek, then? |
| 10:34.12 | Starfire | i know a heck of a lot more about computers than you did at 17 you hippie flower child -_- |
| 10:34.12 | SuperSox | lol |
| 10:34.20 | Starfire | IM NOT AN APPLE GEEK!!! |
| 10:34.25 | Guerin | they didn't have computers when I was 17 |
| 10:34.32 | SuperSox | There is nothing wrong with being an apple geek |
| 10:34.34 | Guerin | oh wait, yeah they did... and I had one |
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| 10:34.55 | e2e | streuner: I've bought a web server in germany, and installed debian woody on it, but now there is a problem with ISP related, so i need help about this case |
| 10:34.56 | Starfire | lets get this straight ok |
| 10:35.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:35.00 | PerfDave | Hmm, someone with the nick "Starfire" calling me a hippie flower child. I may choke to death on irony :) |
| 10:35.01 | Guerin | straight |
| 10:35.04 | Guerin | suuuure |
| 10:35.08 | mosty | e2e, contact the isp? |
| 10:35.08 | Starfire | the only apple product i have, is a gosh darned ipod |
| 10:35.22 | Guerin | Starfire: no iBrator? |
| 10:35.25 | SuperSox | Starfire: 4th Gen? |
| 10:35.25 | Starfire | you dont watch teen titans do you. i fail to see your point |
| 10:35.34 | Starfire | 2nd gen |
| 10:35.39 | SuperSox | mines 4th ;D |
| 10:35.45 | Starfire | 4th is gay |
| 10:35.47 | SuperSox | but I only got it in Feb |
| 10:35.50 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 10:35.59 | Starfire | my dads U2 ipod is 4th gen |
| 10:36.08 | Starfire | stupid scroll push button wheel thing.... messed up |
| 10:36.09 | xelam | Starfire: does it fit up your bum? |
| 10:36.14 | Starfire | ............. |
| 10:36.20 | xelam | "gay" |
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| 10:36.21 | SuperSox | Starfire: I like that scroll wheel |
| 10:36.26 | liable | if syslog isnt running, no bash commands get logged I spose? does syslog look after bash logs too |
| 10:36.27 | Guerin | 'Oldskool crapple drm-based glamware is way leeter than newskool!!!1' |
| 10:37.02 | xelam | use the word gay properly then |
| 10:37.24 | PerfDave | There's nothing wrong with anal stimulation, kids, regardless of your sexuality. |
| 10:37.26 | Starfire | i sense a homosexual has become enraged by my misuse of his sexuality -_- |
| 10:37.37 | SuperSox | gay can mean happy :) |
| 10:37.39 | xelam | damn right |
| 10:37.42 | PerfDave | Even straight people can enjoy having iPods rectally inserted. |
| 10:37.46 | Starfire | it did... back when perfdave was 17 |
| 10:37.48 | streuner | e2e: use google to find forums where they discuss experiences... |
| 10:37.48 | xelam | PerfDave: good good |
| 10:38.02 | SuperSox | gay still means happy in my little world ;'( |
| 10:38.02 | Guerin | well, if I had an ipod up my bum, how could I not be happy? |
| 10:38.06 | PerfDave | Starfire: It still does, according to the OED :) |
| 10:38.08 | Guerin | best place for it, right? |
| 10:38.15 | PerfDave | Actually, I think it may be the best use for an iPod, because I'd get to shit on it :) |
| 10:38.17 | directhex|work | Guerin, it has no vibrate functions though |
| 10:38.26 | Starfire | oxford blows. urbandictionary.com's where its at dave. get out of the 50's |
| 10:38.29 | Guerin | directhex|work: bah, easy firmware hack |
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| 10:38.52 | PerfDave | Starfire: Hah, I work opposite the Oxford University Press :) |
| 10:39.07 | Starfire | good, heres some C4. bomb it for me |
| 10:39.11 | Starfire | i'll pay ya ^_^ |
| 10:39.13 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:39.22 | Starfire | paweeeeez :) |
| 10:39.28 | PerfDave | Starfire: Well, they did turn me down for a job, so I'm kinda tempted... |
| 10:39.40 | PerfDave | Starfire: But it's a very pretty building, it would be a shame to reduce it to rubble. |
| 10:39.40 | Starfire | ive got a few more blocks here if u want em |
| 10:39.46 | Starfire | oh it wont do that |
| 10:39.52 | Starfire | you wont even know it was there |
| 10:39.53 | Starfire | trust me ^_^ |
| 10:40.05 | Guerin | !u |
| 10:40.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:40.40 | liable | !anal-retentive |
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| 10:40.44 | SuperSox | the only time I use the letter u instead of 'you' is if I've cut my fingers and it physically hurts to type |
| 10:40.48 | ecfx | !start a distro war |
| 10:40.48 | dpkg | Mandrake is lame! |
| 10:40.56 | Guerin | gwaan |
| 10:40.59 | SuperSox | thats a given |
| 10:41.01 | PerfDave | !start a nuclear war |
| 10:41.01 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 10:41.03 | tarzeau | sml: thakns, but gpg the.signed.file removes it :) |
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| 10:41.04 | Starfire | ill even get you ear plugs so you dont have to hear the pain-filled distant screams of the past workers inthe building as they vanish |
| 10:41.09 | PerfDave | dpkg++ |
| 10:41.37 | Starfire | !start a bonfire |
| 10:41.44 | Starfire | -_- |
| 10:42.02 | SuperSox | I don't see what you could possibly have against the the Oxford dictionary |
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| 10:42.12 | SuperSox | I also note that you missed the wargames ref |
| 10:42.14 | SuperSox | tut-tut |
| 10:42.20 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 10:42.21 | dpkg | turkey is crappy |
| 10:42.27 | Starfire | bawk? |
| 10:42.30 | SuperSox | Wargames isn't a book |
| 10:42.47 | PerfDave | They have the OED online now. |
| 10:42.54 | Starfire | goodie |
| 10:42.59 | Starfire | something for me to hack ^_^ |
| 10:43.20 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:43.21 | SuperSox | hack? try a gibson! |
| 10:43.26 | Starfire | .... |
| 10:43.26 | directhex|work | hax teh gibson! |
| 10:43.30 | Guerin | everyone knows applettes can't hack |
| 10:43.34 | Starfire | guitars... how do u hack guitars wtf |
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| 10:43.42 | directhex|work | Guerin, but don't forget, risc is good. |
| 10:43.44 | Guerin | Starfire: showing your age... |
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| 10:43.53 | Starfire | guerin go back to the 50's pls ^_^ |
| 10:43.54 | Guerin | directhex|work: hah |
| 10:43.55 | SuperSox | dude, risc is good, I just bought a U60 |
| 10:44.17 | Guerin | PerfDave: own up, you're kidding about the dvds... |
| 10:44.22 | Guerin | ... heh. kidding... |
| 10:44.22 | SuperSox | damn Cisc, damn it to hell! |
| 10:44.37 | PerfDave | Guerin: Shit, she saw straight through me. |
| 10:44.41 | SuperSox | Starfire: 17 is over the legal age of consent. |
| 10:44.45 | directhex|work | what's paedophilic about tying down 17 year olds? AOC's 16 in this country |
| 10:44.45 | SuperSox | at least in the UK |
| 10:44.46 | Guerin | PerfDave: that never happens! |
| 10:44.46 | Starfire | sick people |
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| 10:45.07 | PerfDave | Guerin: Anyway, I *do* have a number of classic geek movies on DVD. |
| 10:45.09 | Guerin | is at least moderately healthy |
| 10:45.16 | Guerin | PerfDave: oh, I know... |
| 10:45.22 | directhex|work | of course, by international law, you are bound by the AOC of your home country or visiting country, whichever is higher, to prevent sex tourism |
| 10:45.24 | Starfire | its 14 in idaho and 21 in california. wtf is 16, and average of all the states? |
| 10:45.35 | SuperSox | I've got Wargames on DVD heh :) |
| 10:45.41 | SuperSox | Starfire: UK isn't a state |
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| 10:45.47 | PerfDave | SuperSox: ...yet |
| 10:45.51 | Starfire | ROFL |
| 10:45.52 | Guerin | that dows pwn |
| 10:45.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:45.59 | SuperSox | PerfDave: in the great words of some rapper "Word." |
| 10:46.09 | SuperSox | directhex|work: me too |
| 10:46.12 | yoc | can i convert .avi files into .rm or .mp4 ? |
| 10:46.17 | yoc | with what tools? |
| 10:46.19 | Guerin | hackers was shit, sorry. |
| 10:46.26 | SuperSox | Guerin: good comedy though. |
| 10:46.32 | directhex|work | yoc, the former for money, the latter doesn't mean anything |
| 10:46.33 | Guerin | SuperSox: not even good comedy. |
| 10:46.44 | PerfDave | o/~ You can say what you want, it won't change anything because the corridors of power are an ocean away o/~ - New Model Army, "51st State" |
| 10:46.44 | directhex|work | Guerin, try it when drunk |
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| 10:46.51 | Guerin | directhex|work: i *DID* |
| 10:46.56 | Guerin | in TOKYO |
| 10:46.58 | yoc | directhex|work, i want to boradcasting movies |
| 10:46.59 | directhex|work | Guerin, MORE drunk! MORE! |
| 10:47.06 | Guerin | while hung over |
| 10:47.07 | yoc | what format should i convert .avi to? |
| 10:47.11 | Guerin | and jetlagged as a bastard |
| 10:47.15 | yoc | what format should i convert .avi to? directhex|work |
| 10:47.15 | Starfire | WMV yoc |
| 10:47.16 | Guerin | and it was STILL shit |
| 10:47.16 | directhex|work | yoc, so buy a license to the realnetworks helix system |
| 10:47.18 | PerfDave | yoc: Broadcast how? Look at vls |
| 10:47.22 | Starfire | yoc: or mpg |
| 10:47.37 | Starfire | yoc: mpg is pretty much well-known and universal |
| 10:47.38 | yoc | Starfire, how to convert .avi to .mpg? |
| 10:47.45 | Starfire | yoc: www.google.com |
| 10:47.47 | yoc | directhex|work, i'm running qtss |
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| 10:47.56 | directhex|work | yoc, use transcode. or mencoder. or avidemux, which is user-friendly |
| 10:47.59 | Guerin | yoc: for a start, file extensions mean exactly 0 |
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| 10:48.06 | yoc | Starfire, are there some debian packages to convert? |
| 10:48.07 | SuperSox | yoc: http://www.bash.org/?478519 |
| 10:48.08 | directhex|work | yoc, so use quicktime pro to convert to quicktime files? |
| 10:48.24 | Starfire | yoc: apt-cache search .avi .mpg |
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| 10:49.00 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Nah, Hitler created RealPlayer, in secret laboratories underneath Berlin, as a plague to destroy the West. |
| 10:49.11 | sml | PerfDave: mwafaahha |
| 10:49.14 | Starfire | !murder starfire |
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| 10:49.30 | SuperSox | PerfDave: personally I belive he created Active Server Pages 3. |
| 10:49.40 | PerfDave | SuperSox: No, that was Goerring |
| 10:49.44 | sml | SuperSox: and Visual Basic. |
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| 10:50.03 | Guerin | i'm pretty sure it was korean cellphone software |
| 10:50.10 | PerfDave | sml: Actually, Visual Basic was a product of Himmler and the Thule Society doing a deal with Satan. |
| 10:50.12 | mosty | yoc: use transcode |
| 10:50.12 | SuperSox | sml: nah VB6 is good for Win32 RAD GUI development (wow, how many b-s buzzwords in one sentence?) |
| 10:50.12 | Guerin | but hell, I can understand why that might seem far-fetched |
| 10:50.22 | yoc | mosty, thanks |
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| 10:50.28 | directhex|work | SuperSox, try delphi |
| 10:50.31 | yoc | <shane> there is a special place in hell, down the hall from hitler, for real player |
| 10:50.34 | Guerin | SuperSox: s/goog/the superior solution/ |
| 10:50.39 | sml | SuperSox: delphi is vastly superior from an OO point of view. |
| 10:50.45 | SuperSox | directhex|work: delphi is nice too |
| 10:50.56 | SuperSox | I've just had more exp with VB6, blame the education system :) |
| 10:50.58 | sml | vb6 isn't even supported anymjore thank god. |
| 10:51.18 | SuperSox | VB.NET is a mess ;( |
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| 10:51.21 | Starfire | wow that was stupid |
| 10:51.21 | sml | SuperSox: Well yeah , here they teach you pascal for two years. However.. at least it's a good learning language! |
| 10:51.40 | SuperSox | sml: so far the languages I've learned have been VB6 and JAva |
| 10:51.50 | SuperSox | thing is, I've done Vb6 for about 7 years now |
| 10:52.03 | SuperSox | haven't touched it since last year howver |
| 10:52.03 | sml | SuperSox: does java still do multiple inheritance ? /me cringes. |
| 10:52.08 | tarzeau | SuperSox: try Objective-C |
| 10:52.22 | sml | tarzeau: now O-C !!!! a real oo c based language! |
| 10:52.24 | directhex|work | sml, foo inherits bar implements baz? |
| 10:52.25 | SuperSox | sml: I'm not sure, i think so |
| 10:52.38 | sml | directhex|work: inheriting from more than one base class. disgusting. |
| 10:52.46 | sml | tarzeau: or Smalltalk! nice language. |
| 10:52.49 | tarzeau | sml: smalltalk :) |
| 10:53.01 | SuperSox | I'm doing a lot of PHP work at the moment |
| 10:53.03 | landslide | under debian, where do i install my ttf fonts? |
| 10:53.09 | directhex|work | actually, try UnrealScript. it may require you have $unreal_based_game running to be able to use anything you code, ubt unrealscript itself is the most pleasant OO language i've toyed with |
| 10:53.10 | WorkerII | OK .. I have asked the question - in #Emacs - I will try here? |
| 10:53.13 | tarzeau | landslide: /usr/share/fonts |
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| 10:53.22 | WorkerII | emacs-package-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/jde emacs21 emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install line 30, <TSORT> line 6. |
| 10:53.23 | WorkerII | dpkg: error processing jde (--install): |
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| 10:53.25 | SuperSox | WorkerII: only if its debian specific/ |
| 10:53.33 | WorkerII | SuperSox: Very. |
| 10:53.34 | tarzeau | WorkerII: checked bugs.debian.org ? |
| 10:53.46 | tarzeau | WorkerII: wanna try Emacs.app ? |
| 10:53.47 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Oh .. its a package i build using uupdate. |
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| 10:53.57 | WorkerII | Emacs.app? |
| 10:54.03 | landslide | thanks, how do i regenerate the cache? |
| 10:54.10 | tarzeau | WorkerII: the better Emacs :) |
| 10:54.12 | SuperSox | I wonder |
| 10:54.14 | SuperSox | !vim |
| 10:54.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
| 10:54.17 | Starfire | !murder starfirewith a magic wand landslide |
| 10:54.32 | Starfire | !kill starfire |
| 10:54.35 | Starfire | lol fun |
| 10:54.42 | SuperSox | !emacs |
| 10:54.42 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 10:54.47 | sml | directhex|work: lol. vim pisses me off. i prefer vi. just plain vi. |
| 10:55.10 | Starfire | !bulldozer starfire |
| 10:55.16 | WorkerII | tarzeau: It seems to be a very mysterious error. |
| 10:55.16 | Starfire | awwwww.... |
| 10:55.26 | SuperSox | sml: pshaw, I have cursor keys and I'm going to use them! ;) |
| 10:55.28 | sml | directhex|work: or just override all the default settings in my .vimrc, another alternative. my main problem is the synatax highlighting and highlighting of last matched reg-exp which on this terminal *blinds* me |
| 10:55.41 | Starfire | !shutdown starfire |
| 10:55.50 | PerfDave | !tell Starfire about botmsg |
| 10:55.59 | directhex|work | !dachs Starfire |
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| 10:56.00 | dpkg | Starfire: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 10:56.05 | SuperSox | anyway, I've got to run! laters all |
| 10:56.10 | sml | later SuperSox |
| 10:56.12 | PerfDave | Tata SuperSox |
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| 10:56.48 | sml | well it's almost time for me to go down the pub for lunch. my favorite part of the day! |
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| 10:57.03 | Starfire | your so lovable dave -_- |
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| 10:57.46 | PerfDave | Starfire: I know :) |
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| 10:58.10 | feng-_- | I do not know if i should install linux |
| 10:58.11 | Shane^ | yoc: thanx |
| 10:58.18 | PerfDave | feng-_-: You probably should. |
| 10:58.27 | yoc | Shane^, it's you, lol |
| 10:58.29 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Does that emacs run jde? |
| 10:58.38 | feng-_- | PerfDave, ? |
| 10:58.38 | PerfDave | Starfire: I was choosing to ignore your sarcasm, on the grounds that I *am* terribly loveable, and generally awesome to boot. |
| 10:58.39 | Shane^ | yoc: heh |
| 10:58.57 | Starfire | feng-_-: install a GUI like kde or gnome and u'll be right at home. trust me i did the same thing |
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| 10:59.07 | yoc | Shane^ do you like it show up at http://kernelplanet.org ? |
| 10:59.10 | PerfDave | feng-_-: Installing Linux is good for you and makes the world a better place. It also makes you more attractive to your gender of choice, and increases the size of any body part you want increasing. |
| 10:59.11 | torc | can i set a proxy for apt-get somehow? |
| 10:59.11 | tarzeau | WorkerII: what's jde? something with java? |
| 10:59.20 | WorkerII | feng-_-: Well .. HURD isn't really ready yet, so unless you wanna try your luck with a BSD-something, I guess you're out of sensible choices . . . |
| 10:59.22 | Shane^ | yoc: but the staement is realy old, since mplayer fixes the symtom |
| 10:59.31 | PerfDave | torc: Yes, man apt.conf |
| 10:59.34 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Its the jdee packaged for debian. |
| 10:59.35 | torc | PerfDave: thanks. |
| 10:59.42 | tarzeau | WorkerII: no idea, check yourself: http://emacs-on-aqua.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:59.47 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Its an IDE for debian yeat. |
| 10:59.54 | feng-_- | hmm |
| 11:00.08 | Shane^ | yoc: never been there before |
| 11:00.11 | tarzeau | WorkerII: why do you want to run another IDE when you are IN A IDE already? |
| 11:00.49 | Starfire | feng-_- i wouldnt suggest using your main computer to install linux to, until you learn it fairly well. use some junk box. for two reasons: 1 the drivers are more likely to work with the older box, and two, you can still use your main until you get linux down. |
| 11:00.55 | yoc | Shane^, i know some kernel hacker there |
| 11:01.01 | PerfDave | tarzeau: You might be in a sucky IDE and want a better one :) |
| 11:01.21 | feng-_- | Starfire, but the problem is,i only have 1 monitor |
| 11:01.25 | yang | With bittorrent i get error error(s): [12:58:53] rejected by tracker - Port 6881 is blacklisted, use another port, what causes that? |
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| 11:02.06 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Thanks for the link, but it seems like its just another skin for GNU/Emacs really. |
| 11:02.10 | feng-_- | Starfire, i have a spare PC,but it needs a monitor,i am thinking maybe install linux on this current one ?or find a monitor for that machine then install linux .... :/ |
| 11:02.10 | Starfire | feng-_- its worth it to go to a junk computer store and get a spare one for 25 bucks to learn linux. im a windows pro, and i made the switch to linux by using my old laptop. trust me on this, its worth it -_- |
| 11:02.14 | PerfDave | yang: Probably the tracker is blacklisting port 6881? |
| 11:02.30 | yang | PerfDave: yes, but i get that for all torrents from that site |
| 11:02.33 | PerfDave | feng-_-: You could set up a Linux / Windows dual boot pretty trivially. |
| 11:02.47 | Starfire | feng-_- whatever you do, dont use your main pc lol. u need to communicate with the people here to get it setup... if you find you need help anyways |
| 11:02.51 | PerfDave | yang: The torrents on one site will probably be on one tracker. Try changing the port range you're using for bittorrent so it doesn't include 6881? |
| 11:02.52 | feng-_- | PerfDave, but my current partition is NTFS |
| 11:02.53 | jm_ | yang: tell bittorrent to use another port then? |
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| 11:03.15 | PerfDave | feng-_-: Buy a copy of Partition Magic, or stick a spare hard drive in there to install Linux to. |
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| 11:03.45 | feng-_- | PerfDave, wait, yes i have a spare HDD hmm |
| 11:03.47 | Shane^ | yoc: Seen this? http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/ |
| 11:04.09 | tarzeau | WorkerII: no it's not another skin |
| 11:04.10 | feng-_- | PerfDave, my current HDD is 7200RPM,but that one is 5400RPM ,its okay to put them together ? |
| 11:04.15 | PerfDave | feng-_-: Yes |
| 11:04.29 | tarzeau | WorkerII: it's integrated very well into GNUstep which is not just the look, but also consistency and usability |
| 11:04.31 | feng-_- | how about RAM ? now 256MB |
| 11:04.33 | PerfDave | feng-_-: RPM just refers to how quickly the disk spins in the drive. |
| 11:04.35 | Starfire | feng-_-: just buy the moniter man. its a small investment and its easier, and your better off... use two computers at once, talk to people who know what theyre doing real-time while you have the problem. instead of turning off your linux box, rebooting to windows, talking, going back to linux.... meh |
| 11:04.45 | PerfDave | feng-_-: You can install Linux easily on 256MB RAM. |
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| 11:05.05 | PerfDave | Though obviously 8GB RAM is preferable ;) |
| 11:05.10 | tarzeau | WorkerII: read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep-manual.rtf |
| 11:05.16 | feng-_- | hmm |
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| 11:05.29 | yoc | Shane^, where's this? white house? http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/1.html |
| 11:05.33 | nksen | anyone has experience in resizing reiserfs partitions? resize_reiser says there are too many fragments used already or s.th. like that |
| 11:05.44 | feng-_- | if i install linux on another HDD,how do i switch ? from BIOS ? |
| 11:05.51 | cockroach | in kernel 2.4 you can chose whether you want to have support for > 2GB memory. i can't seem to find that option in 2.2 - does that mean that 2.2 is limited to 2GB or can it simply use all the memory without that option? |
| 11:06.01 | Starfire | custom boot menu feng-_- |
| 11:06.12 | mr_claus | hi, i have a big problem with my /var, if i use "df" i can see a usage of 95% which means 3,5gb, but if i use "du /var -ks" i can see only 400mb |
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| 11:06.25 | mr_claus | what could be the reason for that difference? |
| 11:06.37 | sml | why doesn't /list work in irssi how I'd expect. i.e. /list *linux* |
| 11:06.44 | PerfDave | feng-_-: The Debian installer will set it up for you, so you can select between Linux and Windows at boot time. |
| 11:06.46 | cockroach | mr_claus: maybe some file which has been deleted is still in use |
| 11:06.46 | WorkerII | mr_claus: Oh .. there could be many differences.. |
| 11:06.54 | PerfDave | mr_claus: Because df and du measure different things. |
| 11:06.57 | feng-_- | oh |
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| 11:07.04 | WorkerII | mr_claus: many reasons, even. |
| 11:07.08 | PerfDave | sml: /list in irssi is a bit shit, there's a script to improve it. |
| 11:07.13 | sml | PerfDave: ok. |
| 11:07.13 | Starfire | feng-_- trust me. having two computers on, running two different OS's; one that your familiar with and one that your learning, is definately the perferable way to do it... |
| 11:07.23 | sobersabre | any ideas how can i take mail from thunderbird into evolution ? |
| 11:07.24 | WorkerII | mr_claus: Probably its because some of the file system is reserved for root though. |
| 11:07.25 | mr_claus | ok, new question, i need to get free room without rebooting or remountin my partition |
| 11:07.27 | yoc | Shane^, good pics, thanks |
| 11:07.33 | sml | PerfDave: was trying to find a newbie linux channel for someone here but couldn't get a channel listing lol. |
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| 11:07.45 | PerfDave | sml: ##linux, at a guess. Or ##debian! :) |
| 11:07.48 | sml | yar. ok. |
| 11:07.53 | mr_claus | WorkerII: we're talking about 3gb which is more then 75% of the whole partition |
| 11:07.59 | sml | PerfDave: Why the double hash ? |
| 11:08.08 | Starfire | feng-_-: rather than shutting down and rebooting every time to try something different, when getting help awhen your first starting out |
| 11:08.13 | PerfDave | sml: Politics. |
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| 11:08.18 | feng-_- | Starfire, i would accept your advices in that way it wouldnt have any problem once in trouble with either linux/win |
| 11:08.26 | sml | PerfDave: Obviously it's never bad having twice as much hash as you need but.. ;) |
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| 11:09.13 | Starfire | feng-_-: does that mean your going to buy a moniter lol |
| 11:09.14 | PerfDave | sml: ##debian started as a result of http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg02821.html but never really took off |
| 11:09.22 | PerfDave | Buy a KVM switch! |
| 11:09.28 | feng-_- | Starfire, i am thinking |
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| 11:09.58 | feng-_- | Starfire, because i am having a server running on my windows now..hmm |
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| 11:10.10 | renegad3 | how can I set apt to use my repos off my machine? |
| 11:10.11 | Starfire | perfdave, my dad uses a KVM switch, and its either because he uses wireless mice and keyboards that he has issues or its the switch but doubt its the switch... anyways he has issues with KVM. im not a big fan of them |
| 11:10.42 | mosty | i have linkchecker checking one of my websites, it seems to be extracting links that are commented out (eg <!-- <a href..etc>foo</a> -->), anyone know of a link checker that won't do that? |
| 11:10.56 | Starfire | feng-_-: atleast you would have an OS that you already know how to use to fall back on if, 1) you dont like linux, 2) its hard to learn, or 3) you need help |
| 11:11.00 | jm_ | renegad3: you can sprecify file://, but you'll need to create it first |
| 11:11.08 | Starfire | 1 and 2 are highly unlikely i might add feng-_- |
| 11:11.23 | renegad3 | ahh ok, thanx jm_ |
| 11:11.29 | PerfDave | Starfire: *shrug* They're useful when dealing with multiple boxen simultaneously. The fact that your dad's KVM doesn't work doesn't change that :) |
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| 11:11.46 | sml | PerfDave: Hrm. It's not the 1st time I've read about this channel being unfriendly and unwelcoming lol. It came a close contender for thumbs down for irc channels in 2004 on some online linux journal. Is ##debian the "official" channel then? |
| 11:11.53 | feng-_- | Starfire, hey,i have used linux for little time before,i liked it,i hated it too :D |
| 11:11.54 | landslide | is it safe to upgrade from sarge to sid? |
| 11:11.59 | landslide | i want to start playing with mono... |
| 11:11.59 | Starfire | perfdave one again, back to oppinions. ive never had a need/use for one, ive only seen them used and not very well at that. |
| 11:12.00 | PerfDave | landslide: It's rarely a good idea. |
| 11:12.04 | PerfDave | landslide: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 11:12.05 | SuperSox | I don't find #debian that unfriendly |
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| 11:12.16 | Starfire | feng-_-: did you use a GUI? gnome, kde...? |
| 11:12.33 | _rene_ | landslide: if you need to ask - no :) |
| 11:12.39 | feng-_- | Starfire, yes,but it was windows maker |
| 11:12.42 | SuperSox | there are just a bunch of questions that are really stupid or un-debian related that get asked |
| 11:12.47 | PerfDave | sml: There is no official channel. But obviously, I don't have a problem with #debian being allegedly unfriendly. |
| 11:12.55 | landslide | hehe |
| 11:13.02 | torc | can i place the tmp to swap? |
| 11:13.03 | renegad3 | jm_, say for eg; my mate needs to download alot of deb packages, how could I make my machine a local repository? is this complicated? |
| 11:13.05 | Starfire | feng-_-: hmm... IF you install linux. get sarge, and use gnome... i highly reccomend it. |
| 11:13.11 | PerfDave | renegad3: apt-proxy, apt-move |
| 11:13.19 | PerfDave | sml: If anything, #debian is the official channel. I think it's the one referenced in Debian documentation. |
| 11:13.22 | sml | PerfDave: It's sometimes quite "terse" lol and people read into that what they want to. :-) I obviously have no problem with it. |
| 11:13.38 | cockroach | in kernel 2.4 you can chose whether you want to have support for > 2GB memory. i can't seem to find that option in 2.2 - does that mean that 2.2 is limited to 2GB or can it simply use all the memory without that option? |
| 11:13.51 | jm_ | renegad3: see above, there are also howtos for creating your own repositories, but it would make sense to create a http repository if your friend has another machine, or file:// over NFS |
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| 11:13.56 | PerfDave | sml: I was quoted in that thread making a couple of points about the inverse relationship between friendliness and competence ;) |
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| 11:14.00 | sobersabre | guys. help: I want to import thunderbird mail folders into evolution. how do i do it ?! |
| 11:14.08 | Starfire | feng-_-: gnonme has several teplates to choose from, easily customizable, two bars to put wherever you like (think of them as taskbars) easy access to the terminal.... make folders and files change wallpaper... you will like it if you are a windows user |
| 11:14.12 | PerfDave | cockroach: I'd guess the former... |
| 11:14.20 | scr3m | Hi. My problem is like this: After installation of base system from miniCD-Vannilia i haved reboot system. Then i haved set time, root password. After that i decide to not use PPP, so in ATp i haved select FTP debian.mps.krakow.pl. This mesage came to me: FAILED TO FETCH debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP PACKAGES, SOMETHING WICKED HAPPENED RESOLVING debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP (-3) |
| 11:14.22 | renegad3 | thanks jm_ |
| 11:14.29 | mosty | sobersabre: use an imap mail server? that's always easy if both mail clients support imap |
| 11:14.37 | PerfDave | feng-_-: Try different window managers and see which one you like. The good thing about Linux is choice :) |
| 11:14.38 | torc | does sparc businesscard cd have some kind of 'expert' setup? |
| 11:14.51 | mr_claus | is there any way now to find out whats reason for 95% usage of my /var, what things i should check? |
| 11:15.07 | PerfDave | mr_claus: Large apt cache? |
| 11:15.10 | cockroach | PerfDave: hrm, too bad. so i'll really have to upgrade my kernel :( |
| 11:15.32 | PerfDave | cockroach: I'm surprised that 2.2 runs on the kind of hardware that has >2GB RAM, to be honest. |
| 11:15.32 | mr_claus | PerfDave: then i should see it with "du" too |
| 11:15.40 | SuperSox | my current advice upon a window manager is XFCE 4.2 |
| 11:15.42 | sobersabre | mosty, hmmm... I have 111M of mail. |
| 11:15.43 | cockroach | PerfDave: heh :) |
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| 11:15.55 | scr3m | Hi. My problem is like this: After installation of base system from miniCD-Vannilia i haved reboot system. Then i haved set time, root password. After that i decide to not use PPP, so in ATp i haved select FTP debian.mps.krakow.pl. This mesage came to me: FAILED TO FETCH debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP PACKAGES, SOMETHING WICKED HAPPENED RESOLVING debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP (-3) |
| 11:16.03 | PerfDave | mr_claus: Probably. Look for large, sparse files with find? |
| 11:16.07 | mosty | sobersabre: setup a temporary local imap server. courier-imap is much less than 111M :) |
| 11:16.09 | mr_claus | du /var/cache -ks is "17648 cache/" |
| 11:16.25 | Starfire | feng-_-: im afraid perfdave is right on that one thing there. linux is all about choice. when people say linux is free they mean FREEDOM. freeing you from the salave-driven-microsoft world you've come from...... |
| 11:16.26 | sobersabre | mosty, ok. |
| 11:16.31 | mr_claus | i looked for these files but i didn't find one |
| 11:16.54 | PerfDave | mr_claus: Have you fscked the partition recently? Could be an error, I guess. |
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| 11:17.09 | feng-_- | Starfire, i liked debian,yes,but ... i lost in debian as well :D |
| 11:17.26 | POVaddct | scr3m: there is no host "debian.mps.krakow.pl" |
| 11:17.52 | Starfire | feng-_-: if you force yourself to use it, and with an open mind -- try to enjoy it, you will find it fairly decent |
| 11:17.53 | scr3m | povADDC:i'ts in list |
| 11:17.58 | sml | What the hell is debian.mps.krakow.pl ? |
| 11:18.07 | sml | is that an official mirror ? |
| 11:18.09 | mr_claus | PerfDave: i have to unmount the partition before running fsck and the server is running now, there is no way to unmount /var |
| 11:18.11 | POVaddct | scr3m: then the list is wrong |
| 11:18.12 | mr_claus | :( |
| 11:18.16 | scr3m | povADDCT: other servers don't work |
| 11:18.19 | feng-_- | Starfire, i am asking here because i was checking online about the most uptime domains that most of them running non-windows system ,this is amazing |
| 11:18.25 | Starfire | feng-_-: it does not play all your PC games like doom III or half-life 2, but its best for everything else |
| 11:18.32 | feng-_- | longest uptime* |
| 11:18.33 | PerfDave | mr_claus: Oh well, sucks to be you. |
| 11:18.41 | PerfDave | Starfire: Uhm, Doom 3 runs nicely on my Debian system. |
| 11:18.54 | Starfire | perfdave we have to talk about that sometime |
| 11:19.13 | feng-_- | Starfire, no,i bought a domain,i just want to hook the server up |
| 11:19.34 | feng-_- | does not play games |
| 11:19.41 | Starfire | feng-_-: yes alot of web-based anything, especailly servers, is GNU/Unix/linux |
| 11:19.44 | PerfDave | Starfire: It's not hard, if you've got your video drivers sorted out. Just bittorrent the Doom 3 Linux software from http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ and run it. |
| 11:19.51 | sml | debian.mps.krakow.pl is on the mirror list ftp is /mirror/debian/ http is /debian/ |
| 11:19.57 | PerfDave | GNU/Unix/linux? :) |
| 11:20.05 | SuperSox | PerfDave: I was litterally just about to ask you how you did that ;) |
| 11:20.16 | Starfire | feng-_-: this because linux is so stable and reliable, that its perfect for internet hosting |
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| 11:20.35 | SuperSox | Solaris on sparc is even more stable and reliable </troll> |
| 11:20.40 | PerfDave | SuperSox: I followed the instructions on idsoftware.com funnily enough ;) |
| 11:20.49 | SuperSox | PerfDave: I'm not a big gamer ;) |
| 11:20.53 | genix_ | How can I add "-YYYY-MM-DD" at the end of the line that include "EXTRAVERSION =" in /usr/src/linux/Makefile? |
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| 11:21.06 | Starfire | feng-_-: if you want to use a computer for a server linux is definately the way to go |
| 11:21.11 | genix_ | with a command |
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| 11:21.23 | jm_ | genix_: sed |
| 11:21.23 | SuperSox | PerfDave: the only game I'd be interested in is HalfLife 1/Counterstrike, and at a push HL2 |
| 11:21.27 | PerfDave | SuperSox: But http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/ is the server for Linux-oriented stuff and the BitTorrent tracker. You can download Enemy Territory for Linux from there, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein game files to use with the CDs. |
| 11:21.29 | feng-_- | Starfire, my spare PC has 196mb ram |
| 11:21.34 | directhex|work | genix_, don't. use the --append-to-version facility of make-kpkg |
| 11:21.47 | SuperSox | PerfDave: at the moment, when I play games its almost always Halo2 on my xbox |
| 11:21.59 | PerfDave | SuperSox: The HL team are Windows weenies, so they don't have Linux versions of their software. I understand that you can hack it to run under Cedega, but I'm not interested in buying non-Linux games. |
| 11:22.02 | directhex|work | or liflg.org for installers for games under linux |
| 11:22.02 | Starfire | feng-_-: doesnt matter, thats the awesome thing about linux. its very basic running, but deep and advanced when your using it. it has minimal system requirements ^_^ |
| 11:22.11 | jm_ | genix_: config interface also lets you add local version string, but I guess you want to automate it |
| 11:22.33 | PerfDave | 196Mb RAM is plenty for a Linux desktop. |
| 11:22.35 | SuperSox | PerfDave: aye, ID have always been fairly open minded though :) |
| 11:22.46 | feng-_- | Starfire, 196MB for a server is okay ? it provides only the bbs/forum and irc service |
| 11:22.51 | genix_ | directhex|work: I usr "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image", should it be "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image --append-to-version" ? |
| 11:23.04 | jm_ | ahh using make-kpkg, then use its switch |
| 11:23.04 | Starfire | feng-_-: it never hurts to upgrade it, but im sure you will be fine |
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| 11:23.08 | PerfDave | feng-_-: You could do that on 32Mb, easily. |
| 11:23.09 | SuperSox | humm, I think I have Q3 somewhere, unless I deleted it :x |
| 11:23.20 | SuperSox | didn't enjoy Doom 3 though |
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| 11:23.36 | directhex|work | genix_, --append-to-version -$(datecommandofsomesort) |
| 11:23.41 | Starfire | never played doom three.... spent money on HL2 which was more than worth it. fucking awesome game if you ask me. |
| 11:24.04 | directhex|work | Starfire, at least doom 3 is a linux game |
| 11:24.04 | torc | anybody running a sparc64? how do i turn off the default behaviour of locking up on console break signal? |
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| 11:24.22 | Starfire | directhex|work, i dont care if it is or not, i love half-life ^_^ |
| 11:24.23 | jm_ | torc: I only know how to do that in Solaris ;) |
| 11:24.43 | torc | jm_: like? some eeprom commands? or is that an os issue? |
| 11:24.48 | PerfDave | Doesn't console break take you to the firmware? |
| 11:24.59 | torc | yeah, can this be turned off? |
| 11:25.17 | jm_ | torc: well you set it in kbd config file |
| 11:25.19 | directhex|work | there's no excuse for using solaris |
| 11:25.41 | Starfire | g'night guys its like 4 am so i gotta get goin |
| 11:25.50 | torc | hm, seen that on redhat also. so it might be a firmware issue then :/ |
| 11:26.04 | torc | need to plug 2 servers to the each-other consoles. |
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| 11:26.24 | torc | but when one of them boots up - the other one is locked at the `ok`. |
| 11:26.25 | jm_ | torc: maybe try asking #sparc, they told me about kbd stuff |
| 11:26.29 | PerfDave | Oh yeah, USia. My brain's not working. |
| 11:26.36 | torc | jm_: looks like 4am there, nobody's alive ;) |
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| 11:26.50 | Starfire | g'night anyways -_- |
| 11:26.52 | genix_ | directhex|work: I usr "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image", should it be "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image --append-to-version -$(YYYYDDMM)" ? |
| 11:26.58 | PerfDave | Starfire: Sweet dreams. |
| 11:27.02 | Starfire | wtf |
| 11:27.07 | SuperSox | PerfDave: what about Unreal*? |
| 11:27.18 | feng-_- | Starfire, thanks for your advices,good night |
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| 11:27.36 | Starfire | feng-_- you're welcome. hope you decide to go with the moniter! |
| 11:27.39 | PerfDave | SuperSox: IIRC from directhex|work, UT2k4 has a Linux client on the retail CD, and UT2k3 has a Linux client available on the Intarweb. |
| 11:27.41 | Starfire | !kill starfire |
| 11:27.42 | directhex|work | genix_, you seem to be missing things here. --append-to-version foo does _EXACTLY_ what you want it to - foo replaces the extraversion parameter of the config |
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| 11:27.51 | feng-_- | i will think it over:) |
| 11:27.54 | Starfire | yay knoppix! |
| 11:27.59 | directhex|work | PerfDave, 2k3 has a slightly iffy linux client on the cd, with no advertising to the fact |
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| 11:28.05 | directhex|work | ut2004 has a penguin on the box |
| 11:28.27 | Shorty` | wow |
| 11:28.29 | SuperSox | PerfDave: huzzah, I'll look into it, I've got an AMD64 box which is getting converted to either FSBSD or Debian (haven't decided which) and it'd be nice to play the odd game on it |
| 11:28.30 | Shorty` | it must be good then *grin* |
| 11:28.47 | jm_ | torc: yup, just ask later - I don't see anything relevant in eeprom output, also check /proc |
| 11:28.55 | SuperSox | I'd prefer debian, but I don't know much about its x86_64 port |
| 11:28.57 | Shadur | 2K4 also had a DVD edition, which meant not having to swap six CDs in and out during the install. That was good. |
| 11:29.06 | directhex|work | insert ut2004 dvd, mount, sh /media/dvd/linux_installer.sh |
| 11:29.11 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Ask on #debian-amd64 ? |
| 11:29.18 | torc | jm_: ttya-ignore-cd or ttya-rts-dtr-off might be ;) |
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| 11:29.38 | jm_ | torc: might be |
| 11:29.40 | SuperSox | PerfDave: didn't realise there is such a channel, I was just inteding to read everything about it on debian.org :) |
| 11:30.03 | torc | jm_: found nothing in the service manuals or openboot prom docs ;) |
| 11:30.06 | SuperSox | the system is running Win2K at the moment, but as of monday, it won't need it any longer so I can but a decent operating system on it |
| 11:30.21 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Since amd64 is not *yet* official, there's not much on the site about it last I checked. |
| 11:30.32 | torc | jm_: ok, thanks :) |
| 11:30.39 | jm_ | torc: we have cd option set to true, the other one to false |
| 11:30.50 | torc | jm_: yeah, thats the default one. |
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| 11:30.56 | gothtec | How do you read these numbers? "load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00" |
| 11:31.14 | jm_ | gothtec: man uptime |
| 11:31.16 | torc | jm_: if you set ignore-cd option to false - then the box is locked when there is no CD on console - which is completely bizarre ;) |
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| 11:31.25 | Gathond | gothtec: average number of processes in ready queue over the last 1, 5, 15 min |
| 11:31.40 | jm_ | torc: yeah |
| 11:31.55 | gothtec | Gathond: ah. thanks |
| 11:32.02 | torc | jm_: the interesting is the rts one, cause break signal depends on those. |
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| 11:33.03 | xophEr | Can I make a .deb-file of a .run-file? e.g. americas army's installation file |
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| 11:33.11 | directhex|work | xophEr, not trivially |
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| 11:33.50 | EkolSucram | how do i start my actisys220+L irda? i have the essential drivers installed but cannot seem to get it to work |
| 11:34.22 | Delph | xophEr: make sure to email the makers to say they should have released a .deb |
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| 11:35.15 | xophEr | ok |
| 11:35.20 | scr3m | Hi. My problem is like this: After installation of base system from miniCD-Vannilia i haved reboot system. Then i haved set time, root password. After that i decide to not use PPP, so in ATp i haved select FTP debian.mps.krakow.pl. This mesage came to me: FAILED TO FETCH debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP PACKAGES, SOMETHING WICKED HAPPENED RESOLVING debian.mps.krakow.pl:FTP (-3) teh same error is when i'm trying to connect other mirror/server, iven by http. |
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| 11:35.30 | directhex|work | xophEr, it's a loki install package. there may be material on google on loki_installer -> .deb processes |
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| 11:35.51 | petemc | scr3m: thats a scary way of saying you have no network access as i recall |
| 11:36.05 | jethro | hah |
| 11:36.15 | petemc | scr3m: could be lack of working dns servers too |
| 11:36.17 | directhex|work | scr3m, desktop box or server box? |
| 11:36.18 | pro | hey guys, anyone have or know a good doc to read how to make an ipip tunnel from a PC with dynamic IP to a server with static IP ? |
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| 11:36.36 | scr3m | what box |
| 11:36.51 | scr3m | i't my 1st linux |
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| 11:37.07 | directhex|work | !box |
| 11:37.08 | dpkg | well, box is that on which debian is housed |
| 11:37.17 | petemc | scr3m: there is a new debian installer that is much more up to date/easy to use - /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:37.28 | scr3m | i've install realtek card, and set IP, DNS bla bla bla |
| 11:37.38 | EkolSucram | hmmzz how do i get my actisys irda to work on serial i did a modprobe serial .. returned a FATAL |
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| 11:38.17 | EkolSucram | i got it hook up to my serial comm 1 |
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| 11:38.17 | scr3m | this installer is 3 days old |
| 11:38.17 | scr3m | .. |
| 11:38.17 | directhex|work | lord almighty |
| 11:38.24 | directhex|work | IS THIS A DESKTOP COMPUTER OR A PRODUCTION-LEVEL SEREVR |
| 11:38.32 | pinks | on sarge with xfce - How do I get a radio stream to play in a player |
| 11:38.37 | scr3m | desktop PC |
| 11:39.33 | directhex|work | scr3m, you have woody. woody is from 2002, and useless for a desktop. if you want to install a desktop, install sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 11:39.47 | jethro | pinks: /msg dpkg marillat and apt-get install mplayer is a solution |
| 11:39.47 | scr3m | yhyyy |
| 11:40.01 | directhex|work | mplayer-386 |
| 11:40.11 | scr3m | i've readed that i'ts stable fersion.... |
| 11:40.11 | scr3m | version :P |
| 11:40.17 | jethro | !tell hahaghost -about awayt |
| 11:40.20 | jethro | !tell hahaghost -about away |
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| 11:40.23 | pinks | jethro - I have a couple of players installed - just can't get the stream to them |
| 11:40.25 | jethro | darn |
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| 11:40.30 | jethro | thanks caphuso |
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| 11:41.04 | scr3m | how i can erase Woody? lilo is installed on EXT2 patritoin.. |
| 11:41.11 | jethro | pinks: with mplayer it's as simple as "mplayer http://site/path/to/stream.pls |
| 11:41.12 | directhex|work | install sarge. |
| 11:41.22 | xelam | scr3m: and have what instead? |
| 11:41.24 | EkolSucram | scr3m : get sarge and install it from CD |
| 11:41.27 | scr3m | WInXP |
| 11:41.28 | EkolSucram | boot up and WAHLA |
| 11:41.31 | jethro | scr3m: as you were told, /msg dpkg d-i, it gives you evertthing you need to install debian sarge |
| 11:41.50 | xelam | scr3m: just install xp; it'll let you wipe the disk |
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| 11:42.04 | jim | you probably don't need a cd image |
| 11:42.08 | jethro | holy fscking lag making me type like a retard |
| 11:42.11 | scr3m | i have to install again XP :| |
| 11:42.17 | EkolSucram | no u dont |
| 11:42.25 | EkolSucram | scr3m : as long as u have 2 partitions |
| 11:42.26 | scr3m | i't 1 week old... |
| 11:42.27 | jim | !u |
| 11:42.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:42.30 | jethro | scr3m: why would you _have to_ install xp again? |
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| 11:42.40 | sobersabre | what's /etc/courier/shared/index for in courier-imap and WTF i cannot create folder in ~/Maildir now ? |
| 11:42.41 | EkolSucram | scr3m : and it doesnt touch thde partition ur win xp is in .. as is well |
| 11:42.49 | petemc | i find that u factoid more annoying than someone using u |
| 11:42.53 | pinks | Jethro - I really don;t want to install anything more than I have to - and i have three players already, realplayer for linux works fine, but i can't get the others to :-/ |
| 11:42.55 | krotz | Could anyone give me a simple manual for apt-get, I'm new to debian. |
| 11:43.00 | SuperSox | jethro: I _have to_ use Windows 2000 |
| 11:43.03 | SuperSox | krotz: man apt-get |
| 11:43.05 | SlayerXP | krotz: "man apt-get" |
| 11:43.08 | krotz | k. |
| 11:43.09 | mosty | sobersabre: you have to create folder in there using a mail client, not with mkdir... right? |
| 11:43.10 | jethro | EkolSucram: would you mind typing words correctly ? it's a bore to read you |
| 11:43.11 | krotz | :) |
| 11:43.12 | sobersabre | krotz: apt-get install proname - installs... |
| 11:43.13 | krotz | Forgot man.. |
| 11:43.14 | krotz | Hehe |
| 11:43.18 | jethro | SuperSox: Icouldn't care less |
| 11:43.18 | jim | krotz: man apt-get |
| 11:43.22 | sobersabre | mosty, i've tried this. |
| 11:43.24 | krotz | Thanks SuperSox, SlayerXP and jim |
| 11:43.33 | mosty | sobersabre: what error fo you get? |
| 11:43.35 | jim | also man 5 sources.list |
| 11:43.39 | jethro | pinks: what is this stream you're trying to listen to ? |
| 11:43.41 | SuperSox | jethro: I know, but you said "why" to someone else, just pointing out that sometimes its a sad fact of life. |
| 11:43.44 | gothtec | Anyone with a current uptime less than 1d who could message me the output from "uptime"? |
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| 11:44.00 | SuperSox | jethro: #include 2cents.h |
| 11:44.03 | SuperSox | or whatever ;) |
| 11:44.04 | directhex|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.14 | gothtec | thanks |
| 11:44.16 | pinks | jethro - it's a .asx stream radio station |
| 11:44.19 | sobersabre | mailserver responded: unable to open this mailbox. |
| 11:44.26 | jethro | SuperSox: useless comment, thanks anyway |
| 11:44.38 | landslide | i'm thinking about running a dist-upgrade to unstable on my current sarge install. |
| 11:44.52 | directhex|work | landslide, i wouldn't |
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| 11:45.42 | EkolSucram | trying to get my actisys 220+L irda to wrok ... modprob return a FATAL ... any other ways to start it>? |
| 11:45.44 | landslide | i'm trying to point my apt sources.list to 'deb httpsecurity.debian.org unstable/updates main |
| 11:45.56 | EkolSucram | looking through my dmesg |
| 11:46.01 | landslide | really? i want to try out mono... |
| 11:46.01 | jethro | pinks: .asx is just a way to describe the stream, parse the asx file and get the actual URL for the radio you want to listen to |
| 11:46.03 | directhex|work | landslide, unstable has no security updates |
| 11:46.09 | mosty | sobersabre: touch $HOME/Maildir/IMAPDEBUGFILE , then try again and check the contents of that file for some debugging info |
| 11:46.13 | jethro | pinks: then feed your player with this URL |
| 11:46.17 | directhex|work | !tell landslide about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 11:46.24 | sobersabre | mosty, thanks.. |
| 11:46.27 | krotz | How do I search for a package with apt-get? |
| 11:46.29 | pinks | jethro - okay |
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| 11:46.31 | krotz | Can't seem to find it in the manual. |
| 11:46.33 | jim | landslide: that won't work for one, and would work if you corrected it, -only- for released debians |
| 11:46.35 | directhex|work | krotz, apt-cache search foo |
| 11:46.40 | SuperSox | whee, anyway, directhex|work, PerfDave yeah, I'll probably try Debian on the AMD64, especially because directhex|work mentioned a 64bit build of UT :) |
| 11:46.41 | krotz | ok |
| 11:46.44 | krotz | thx directhex|work |
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| 11:47.21 | mosty | sobersabre: actually, when you have courier-imap working, you may want to keep it. that way you can read your mail using any imap mail client you like on that particular day |
| 11:47.24 | directhex|work | SuperSox, AMD used unreal tournament 200x on linux as part of their original press conferences about x86-64 being the future of gaming |
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| 11:47.49 | landslide | directhex: so should i just install sid from scratch? |
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| 11:47.56 | directhex|work | there is no amd64 ut2004 for windows, just linux |
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| 11:48.03 | directhex|work | landslide, why would that gain you anything? |
| 11:48.10 | landslide | so that i can run mono... |
| 11:48.23 | directhex|work | landslide, did you even read the factoid dpkg told you about? |
| 11:48.30 | mosty | sobersabre: i just want to check this- you ran "maildirmake" as your user, not as root, right? |
| 11:48.51 | Gremlin[ | need some help to debug a network problem, i need someone to do some telnet, ssh , ping, traceroute in my ip |
| 11:48.58 | jim | landslide: I don't think you can install sid from scratch... btw, you are very good at locating and solving your own problems, right? if you run sid, people here won't support you |
| 11:49.09 | Gremlin[ | seems like geant is dropping some network traffic of myne |
| 11:49.20 | EkolSucram | arghhh what the hreak stupid irda cannot start stack |
| 11:49.21 | EkolSucram | fook |
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| 11:49.38 | landslide | ok... i undestand.. i can run sid packages from within sarge.. |
| 11:49.46 | axelxxx | how to restart ssh from ssh? |
| 11:50.01 | Silveira | axelxxx /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 11:50.32 | axelxxx | shall i restart it if i change config? |
| 11:50.44 | Sunblade | axelxxx: or invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 11:50.46 | Guerin | if you want the config to change |
| 11:50.48 | sobersabre | mosty, no. only now i have. removed prev. dir. ran maildirmake |
| 11:50.50 | hellz | hi, in syslog remote forwarding can i use a different port other than the default 514 |
| 11:50.51 | sobersabre | moment. |
| 11:50.53 | jim | yes, but remember that people on sid are trying to keep compatible with testing at THIS moment... the second testing is released as sarge, all bets are off, and sid might go in a number of different directions |
| 11:50.53 | sobersabre | of truth |
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| 11:51.02 | SuperSox | directhex|work: well considering WindowsXP/64 still sucks more than XP/32, its not really surprising ;) |
| 11:51.05 | hellz | i mean in syslog.conf (@ipaddress) |
| 11:51.25 | SuperSox | anyway, I'm really gone this time |
| 11:51.34 | directhex|work | SuperSox, it's surprising from a "major chip company, gpu manufacturer & game maker using linux as a showcase" perspective |
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| 11:52.29 | jm_ | hellz: try chainging it in /etc/services on both sides |
| 11:52.45 | hellz | ok, let me check |
| 11:52.59 | EkolSucram | Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 14 ports, IRQ sharing disabled |
| 11:52.59 | EkolSucram | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 11:53.03 | jim | that won't change things unless you restart the services involved |
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| 11:53.14 | EkolSucram | .... cant start irda ... whats the prob? |
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| 11:53.44 | axelxxx | hey guys thanx to U all. KISS |
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| 11:53.57 | jim | !u |
| 11:53.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:54.04 | hellz | jm_: how do i restart the services |
| 11:54.09 | Handyman | hi. could any of you be so kind as to send me the init.d/sendmail-script? would really apreciate it |
| 11:54.18 | axelxxx | sorry. anyway thanx! |
| 11:54.28 | jm_ | hellz: there's an init script in /etc/init.d |
| 11:54.37 | jim | Handyman: purge sendmail and install it again |
| 11:54.38 | hellz | ok |
| 11:54.40 | Handyman | ive kind of deleted it |
| 11:54.41 | jim | then you will get it |
| 11:55.34 | Handyman | jim: dont know what purge is. i think it would be easyer for me to just get the script |
| 11:55.35 | jm_ | or unpack the package and copy it over, or install it with dpkg with apropriate options |
| 11:55.42 | EkolSucram | =.= ok so no one has an answer for IrDA probs? ... the tips and scripts on9 does not work too man ... arrgghghhh |
| 11:55.47 | jim | Handyman: man dpkg |
| 11:56.35 | Handyman | jim: have reinstalled it using the graphical packetmanager. It complains that there is no sendmail-file in init.d, and does nothing to replace it |
| 11:56.36 | jim | jm_: that last one sounds good... what options does he need for replacing the config files? |
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| 11:57.00 | jm_ | jim: --force-help ;) |
| 11:57.04 | jim | Handyman: you gotta purge it |
| 11:57.20 | jim | then reinstall |
| 11:57.48 | jim | (well, that's one of several ways) |
| 11:57.48 | Handyman | jim: ok. Ill read up on purging then |
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| 11:58.38 | diepes | anyone here go Ipsec running in 2.6 kernel ? my racoon startup is giving errors >>ERROR: /etc/racoon/racoon.conf:43: "c" syntax error |
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| 11:59.31 | Silveira | anyone know if is better to compile samba from source? |
| 11:59.57 | petemc | Silveira: better for what? |
| 12:00.20 | jethro | Silveira: if you need specific compile time given options, then rebuild your own package, if not, just apt-get install existing packages |
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| 12:01.11 | Silveira | jethro cause in sarge the latest samba is 3.0.10 and the real latest is 3.0.14a |
| 12:01.45 | Silveira | well.. i can unpack the tar.gz and make a .deb, no? |
| 12:01.52 | petemc | Silveira: what features do you need that are missing? out of interest |
| 12:01.53 | jethro | Silveira: of course you can |
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| 12:01.57 | usn | hi folx |
| 12:02.33 | Silveira | petemc i'll use samba with win2k clients, so i dont want to give any chance for bugs |
| 12:03.01 | Silveira | jethro how to build .deb? i don't remember right now |
| 12:03.10 | petemc | Silveira: strangely enough, newer software can have more bugs, |
| 12:03.14 | petemc | bah |
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| 12:04.05 | Silveira | petemc but better management with xp/win2k (i think), i'm telling just what i read |
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| 12:05.07 | Handyman | jim: sendmail didnt want to be purged (purge error), and now it wont be reinstalled either |
| 12:05.09 | petemc | Silveira: fair enough, it wouldnt be my place to dictate what software you use - tho managing your own compiled s/w requires more effort than using debian packges |
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| 12:05.33 | jm_ | Handyman: touch th efile you deleted, then purge it again |
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| 12:06.00 | Silveira | petemc do you know how to build .deb from src? |
| 12:06.26 | jethro | Silveira: you want to read the package maintainer guide |
| 12:07.14 | jethro | Silveira: and as petemc told you, if you don't _need_ features lacked by the debian packages, and provided by the latest version of samba, just stick to using debian packages, for it's less of a pain in the ass to maintain |
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| 12:07.41 | sobersabre | mosty, BTW... why would I leave an imapd on my machine after the import-export ? |
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| 12:08.21 | douglas | which pkgs should I install to switch a Sid box from fixed IP address to dhcp (smoothwall will be the server) and allow automatic dns updates? |
| 12:08.31 | clemente | anyone has a toshiba tecra a4? I have it but I can't configure the NIC yet |
| 12:08.44 | PerfDave | clemente: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 12:09.14 | clemente | thanks |
| 12:09.19 | mosty | sobersabre: because you don't really need to do the export part |
| 12:09.23 | EkolSucram | ok any tips on how to connect my IrDA to Nokia mobile phone 6260? |
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| 12:11.54 | petemc | douglas: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:12.05 | pinks | what's the recommended DVD player for Sarge these days? |
| 12:12.16 | mosty | mplayer or xine? |
| 12:12.37 | pinks | ?? is that for me? |
| 12:12.48 | kanzure | yes, they are DVD players, pinks |
| 12:12.59 | petemc | or totem |
| 12:13.09 | pinks | kanzure - tks |
| 12:13.19 | kanzure | ..? |
| 12:13.20 | directhex|work | i find ogle is best for dvd |
| 12:13.27 | sobersabre | mosty, i don't want to serve imap. i use other machines to serve me. why would i want to serve imapd ?! |
| 12:13.32 | kanzure | ogle's worked more times than xine for me. |
| 12:13.41 | Silveira | what's the name of the program that keeps the clock up to date? |
| 12:13.49 | petemc | Silveira: ntp |
| 12:13.51 | directhex|work | ntpdate? |
| 12:14.06 | petemc | running a ntpd is pretty simple |
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| 12:15.22 | Guerin | ok, so I can start a local X session, then run ssh -X, then from there run startxfce4 or somesuch to get a desktop environment. But if I close the initial terminal, the whole shop dies. When I do ssh -X in a terminal and try to do startx, it fails with user not auhorised to run the x server, which is pure BS |
| 12:15.22 | mosty | sobersabre: because a local imap server is just an ultra-portable/interoperable mail folder |
| 12:15.46 | Guerin | so, either, how do I get my user authorised to run a remote X server? |
| 12:15.52 | mosty | sobersabre: eg, i can login remotely and read all my mail with mutt, or use a gui mail client when i'm sitting at the machine |
| 12:15.55 | EkolSucram | anyone got his infrared to work with nokia phones with obex? |
| 12:15.56 | jm_ | Guerin: it's not BS, it's right |
| 12:15.56 | pinks | kanzure - would that be the basic ogle pkg or the ogle-mmx pkg? |
| 12:16.03 | Guerin | jm_: ok, how? |
| 12:16.08 | kanzure | pinks: I don't know, I'm sorry. I forget. |
| 12:16.14 | Guerin | jm_: I can run a LOCAL X server as that user... |
| 12:16.21 | PerfDave | EkolSucram: Isn't obex a bluetooth thing rather than an infra-red thing? |
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| 12:16.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: xhosts / xauthority stuff? |
| 12:16.37 | petemc | obexftp is bluetooth, afaik |
| 12:16.43 | Guerin | PerfDave: don't think so. Individual apps on a local X server work fine. |
| 12:16.44 | EkolSucram | i have no idea ... |
| 12:17.03 | mikeX | how does a hub share the connection between it's nodes? is it fair? does it depend on each specific hub? |
| 12:17.15 | sobersabre | mosty... i am on a laptop. i think we have different needs :-) |
| 12:17.18 | jm_ | Guerin: I know, wait |
| 12:17.20 | petemc | mikeX: broadcasts |
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| 12:18.03 | EkolSucram | PerfDave : http://www.saunalahti.fi/~laakkon1/linux/3650_ir.php <---- seems like it works with irda too |
| 12:18.03 | Guerin | jm_: :) |
| 12:18.03 | mikeX | petemc, meaning? |
| 12:18.03 | petemc | mikeX: it fires shit everywhere |
| 12:18.03 | jm_ | Guerin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 12:18.03 | mikeX | petemc, so it's fair in a way? |
| 12:18.10 | petemc | mikeX: fair in that it doesnt have the intelligence to be anything other |
| 12:18.12 | mikeX | petemc, cause it appears that a certain node gets more bandwith in my setup |
| 12:18.18 | mosty | sobersabre: it was only a suggestion, ignore it if you like |
| 12:18.32 | Silveira | petemc do you use samba? |
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| 12:18.42 | Guerin | jm_: anybody? |
| 12:18.48 | petemc | mikeX: even if you swap the cables round etc? |
| 12:18.54 | petemc | Silveira: lil' bit |
| 12:19.03 | jm_ | Guerin: right |
| 12:19.06 | mikeX | petemc, i think it's cable place related |
| 12:19.21 | petemc | mikeX: well, theres an easy way to find out... |
| 12:19.24 | WorkerII | mr_claus: OK, lets talk about 3 GB. |
| 12:19.27 | Shorty` | http://dev.gentoo.org/~lewk/img/vim.gif |
| 12:19.27 | Shorty` | ahahah |
| 12:19.30 | mikeX | petemc, : ) |
| 12:19.32 | Silveira | petemc do you know if the 3.0.10 has important bugs? |
| 12:19.43 | petemc | Silveira: havent a clue |
| 12:19.45 | jm_ | Guerin: but keep in mind X server will still use the display where you're running it, that's remote one to you |
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| 12:19.47 | WorkerII | Shorty`: haha? |
| 12:19.49 | mikeX | petemc, but what if i use a switch (and connect that to the hub?) |
| 12:19.49 | sobersabre | :) thanks, man. so far this is the 2nd time in my life i am doing this ( tb2evo ) [last time it was evo2tb :) ] and i don't intend to switch anymore... unless something like evo will happen to mozilla. |
| 12:19.51 | petemc | Silveira: check the bts |
| 12:20.10 | streuner | Silverira: Did you try #samba? |
| 12:20.29 | jethro | Silveira: read samba's changelog and see there by yourself |
| 12:20.41 | Guerin | jm_: ehh? |
| 12:21.07 | jm_ | Guerin: X server will start up and display things on the monitor where you have run it |
| 12:21.20 | WorkerII | Shorty`: Hahaha! |
| 12:21.24 | mikeX | the switch is smarter, right? |
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| 12:21.33 | Guerin | jm_: oh... I need to specify an IP for another machine to display on, right? |
| 12:21.52 | petemc | mikeX: right, but all switches are not equal |
| 12:22.07 | jm_ | Guerin: no, what do you want to do? |
| 12:22.17 | mikeX | petemc, oh ic, well i'll look into my model, thx a lot : ) |
| 12:23.23 | Guerin | jm_: i have a computer which I want to install as little as possible on, and I have a computer with the whole shop installed on it. I want to run an X server and apps from the main box to display on the minimal box. |
| 12:23.45 | mr_claus | WorkerII: i have errors on my filesystem, i have done fsck.ext3 -f -n /dev/sda6 and there are a lot of errors, perhaps thats the reason |
| 12:23.51 | jethro | Guerin: if you want to display on the minimual box,run X there |
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| 12:24.06 | carlos | buen dia |
| 12:24.07 | jethro | Guerin: sorry if you meant that, and I didn't get thepoint :) |
| 12:24.26 | jm_ | Guerin: install dm on the whole shop computer, let it accept remote connections, then startx -- -query wholeshop |
| 12:24.27 | pinks | what's the default sound mixer for sarge? |
| 12:24.27 | Delph | Guerin: the X server is the thing that displays; X clients are what talk to X servers. |
| 12:24.38 | Guerin | jethro: ok. How do I run a whole DE there, from the main box, without having a terminal emulator which will cause the whole lot to die if I kill it? |
| 12:24.44 | Guerin | Delph: I know this. |
| 12:24.55 | Delph | just checking; why run the X server on the main box then? |
| 12:24.55 | jethro | Guerin: aaah then xdmcp is what you want I'd say |
| 12:24.58 | Guerin | jm_: oh, I need a dm? |
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| 12:25.10 | Guerin | *duh* |
| 12:25.15 | jm_ | Guerin: yup |
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| 12:26.11 | jethro | I should try that someday |
| 12:26.16 | streuner | pinks: aumix is pretty popular |
| 12:26.37 | pinks | streuner - thanks |
| 12:27.00 | Silveira | petemc i think i'm staying with 3.0.10 cause the bugs found on it was compilation error on dgux and first access (dgux too) |
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| 12:32.18 | WorkerII | !tell root about geert0501 |
| 12:32.27 | WorkerII | !tell geert0501 about root |
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| 12:34.51 | pinks | streuner - any idea how to get that to make my microphone work in Skype? |
| 12:35.06 | jethro | pinks: check wether it's muted or not |
| 12:35.08 | jethro | pinks: using alsa? |
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| 12:35.30 | pinks | jethro - yes alsa How do I know if it is muted? |
| 12:35.37 | jethro | pinks: run alsamixer |
| 12:35.47 | Dforge | This is a newb question, but what is the debian equivilent of chkconfg / rc-update? |
| 12:35.54 | geert0501 | help /nick |
| 12:36.00 | Shorty` | do the sarge netinst discs have a rescue image? |
| 12:36.02 | jm_ | Dforge: update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:36.02 | Shorty` | anyone? |
| 12:36.05 | Guerin | in alsamixer, hi f5 for ALL controls |
| 12:36.06 | jethro | Dforge: rc-update, I guess, is update-rc.d in debian |
| 12:36.14 | Guerin | the default display only lists playback controls |
| 12:36.28 | Dforge | ahh - thanks |
| 12:36.30 | jethro | Guerin: ha that's nice to know that, I never figured it out |
| 12:36.42 | jethro | Guerin: thanks for this tip |
| 12:36.56 | jm_ | it does? I could swear it lists some mic controls for me |
| 12:37.17 | jethro | indeed, I have mic controls by default as well |
| 12:37.20 | jm_ | I'll compare the list after pressing F5 |
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| 12:37.54 | raf256 | how can I always have also ~/bin/ in my path? |
| 12:38.01 | Daedeloth | Hello, where can I get the latest boot image (cd rom) for network installation? |
| 12:38.11 | raf256 | like echo "export path=~/bin/" >> ~/.bashrc ? |
| 12:38.12 | jethro | raf256: set $PATH in your shell rc file |
| 12:38.26 | raf256 | "export PATH=~/bin/" >> ~/.bashrc ? |
| 12:38.27 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 12:38.27 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:38.28 | pinks | Guerin there's no mike control in alsamix |
| 12:38.29 | jethro | raf256: should be $PATH=/some/path:$PATH |
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| 12:38.31 | Shorty` | ffs |
| 12:38.31 | jm_ | raf256: read your default bash_profile, duh |
| 12:38.38 | raf256 | ok |
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| 12:39.00 | AciD | hi |
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| 12:39.09 | jethro | hi AciD |
| 12:39.33 | AciD | anybody got some problem upgrading to the newer kdevelop3 package ? (3.2) |
| 12:39.54 | Daedeloth | dpkg: tnx, but one more questioin: I have amd ahtlon xp (k7 I guess), so I install with 386? |
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| 12:40.08 | jethro | AciD: you checked bts yet? |
| 12:40.12 | AciD | it keeps asking far a "right" kde directory |
| 12:40.14 | AciD | yes |
| 12:40.17 | AciD | nothng on it |
| 12:40.20 | AciD | +i |
| 12:40.26 | jethro | AciD: sarge? |
| 12:40.32 | AciD | sid |
| 12:40.32 | streuner | Daedeloth: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 12:40.42 | lvdz | hi |
| 12:40.50 | streuner | Daedeloth: use those isos, i386 is fine. |
| 12:40.54 | Daedeloth | k, tnx |
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| 12:41.06 | jethro | AciD: I didn't read any similar case today, maybe you should file a bug |
| 12:41.21 | raf256 | how can I calculate the CRC32 summ of a file? |
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| 12:41.46 | AciD | it's just it never asked me any $KDEDIRS env variable before, it's surely me that can't find whichi dir its looking for |
| 12:41.53 | jethro | !fgi raf256 crc32+compute |
| 12:41.54 | dpkg | raf256: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=crc32+compute |
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| 12:42.14 | raf256 | jethro: I ment whats the application for it in debian |
| 12:42.19 | jethro | AciD: sorry I can't help much |
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| 12:42.40 | jethro | raf256: how bout you search a bit? heard of apt-cache and apt-get ? |
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| 12:43.36 | jethro | !literal cmd: fgi (.*?) (.*?) |
| 12:43.36 | dpkg | CMD: fgi (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2): <reply>$1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=$2 |
| 12:43.58 | hellz | jm_: its not working |
| 12:44.16 | kanzure | Can deb use a swapfile on a vfat fs? |
| 12:44.26 | hellz | i changed in services syslog entry , restarted the syslog daemon |
| 12:44.49 | Althaser | when i write startx in user it give me this error xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority |
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| 12:45.05 | Althaser | someone could help me ? plz |
| 12:45.10 | jethro | !plz |
| 12:45.10 | dpkg | plz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
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| 12:45.40 | streuner | kanzure: man mkswap |
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| 12:46.33 | Gremlin[ | need some help related to sasl |
| 12:46.37 | WorkerII | !tell Althaser about windows 95 |
| 12:46.45 | Gremlin[ | any volunteer ? |
| 12:46.50 | jm_ | hellz: what isn't? |
| 12:47.01 | jethro | !tell Gremlin[ -about ask |
| 12:47.51 | Gremlin[ | so, a have debian woody and i'm reading some tutorials related to postfix and sasl and ldap |
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| 12:48.15 | Gremlin[ | but i don't see anyware searchind with apt the sasl authd deamon package |
| 12:48.25 | Gremlin[ | thinks this is kind of weird |
| 12:48.26 | Althaser | WorkerII: :P |
| 12:48.28 | hellz | jm_: the syslog remote port forwarding , u adviced me to change it in services for some other port |
| 12:48.33 | streuner | Gremlin[: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 12:48.39 | jm_ | hellz: on both sides, yes |
| 12:48.42 | Gremlin[ | or wasn't authd part of the sasl 1.x brangh ? |
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| 12:49.30 | Gremlin[ | streuner: i know that stuff ... i have done a mail server with imap +ssl, pop3 +ssl,antispam, antivirus, content filtering, etc. |
| 12:49.41 | jethro | Gremlin[: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search saslauthd |
| 12:49.46 | Gremlin[ | the thing is that debian sasl packages are ancient |
| 12:49.57 | hellz | yes |
| 12:49.59 | Gremlin[ | jethro: you don't get the point |
| 12:50.05 | jethro | Gremlin[: use backports.org or backport sid's packages |
| 12:50.15 | jethro | I got the point, saslauthd is in sasl2-utils, in sid |
| 12:50.24 | hellz | jm_:yes |
| 12:50.30 | Gremlin[ | jethro: that's pointless in this casem using backports |
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| 12:50.45 | jethro | Gremlin[: what is pointless? |
| 12:50.47 | hellz | i tried to see using ettercap also, no messages though |
| 12:50.52 | Gremlin[ | instead of that it would be simpler just tu change to gentoo :)) |
| 12:51.01 | Gremlin[ | if i use sasl2 from backports |
| 12:51.05 | jethro | yeah then fucking install gentoo, and leave this chan, troll |
| 12:51.06 | Gremlin[ | i will have to change postfix too |
| 12:51.16 | jethro | then backport yourself |
| 12:51.20 | Gremlin[ | i mean the postfix version |
| 12:51.24 | jethro | and tailor made your packages |
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| 12:51.30 | jethro | so you can keep postfix as is |
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| 12:51.49 | jm_ | hellz: did you restart them on both sides? is it listening on new port? |
| 12:51.54 | Gremlin[ | jethro: yeah, and i was asking if anyone knew where the saslauthd daemon is located .. in which package |
| 12:52.02 | jethro | Gremlin[: or get a gentoo system, as you sugested, and don't bother us with your inhability to deal with your problems |
| 12:52.23 | jethro | Gremlin[: and I told you something you could've found out on packages.debian.org without bothering anyone here |
| 12:52.25 | Pappa | hoho, he should be able to deal with problems if he runs gentoo. |
| 12:52.25 | Gremlin[ | jethro: i think you have the urge to answer anything , even if saying not realted stuff |
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| 12:52.49 | Gremlin[ | jethro: do a apt-cache search |
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| 12:53.01 | Gremlin[ | and if i find something i will say nothing more |
| 12:53.02 | hellz | yes, i restarted both the machines |
| 12:53.04 | jethro | Gremlin[: I told you to do an apt-file search |
| 12:53.12 | jethro | Gremlin[: can't you fucking read? |
| 12:53.17 | beeblebrox87 | mooded: i've been using this nick for 5 years, when were the good old days? |
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| 12:53.50 | jethro | Gremlin[: apt-cache != apt-file, you want to find which package contains a given file, that's apt-file's duty |
| 12:54.07 | Gremlin[ | jethro: ok, my mistake here , sorry |
| 12:54.17 | jethro | Gremlin[: I think you have the urge to troll and bullshit, more then I have the urge to answer anthing |
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| 12:54.51 | mooded | beeblebrox87, the good old days were before the movie came to cinemas.. |
| 12:54.52 | hellz | jm_: yes, i restarted bot the machnines |
| 12:55.06 | beeblebrox87 | mooded: the movie hasn't come to cinemas |
| 12:55.17 | beeblebrox87 | has it? certainly hasn't here |
| 12:55.23 | jm_ | hellz: and the other questions? |
| 12:55.39 | saabin | hello |
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| 12:55.46 | Gremlin[ | seems like i'm gonna make a packe myself |
| 12:55.47 | jethro | !sing wednesday |
| 12:55.48 | dpkg | Nothing here to fear / I'm just sitting around / Being foolish when / There is work to be done |
| 12:55.49 | mooded | beeblebrox87, not ? thought so.. since i just see a strong increase in ppl wearing hitchhiker-related nicks.. |
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| 12:56.04 | saabin | someone help me here , something is not working. |
| 12:56.05 | slushpupie | where can I find older versions of packages for sarge? |
| 12:56.05 | hellz | yes it is listening perfectly |
| 12:56.05 | saabin | I have string "-n abc=" at the end of the line. I use " sed -e 's/\-n abc.*//' " to erase it. String is "-n abc=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt" How to make a variable myvar=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt? |
| 12:56.22 | hellz | jm_:yes it is listening properly |
| 12:56.25 | stew | slushpupie: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 12:56.27 | jethro | Gremlin[: make sure you went through all available docs before you come back here and ask about building custom packages |
| 12:56.46 | Gremlin[ | jeff: hmm, you do have that urge , i see |
| 12:57.08 | Gremlin[ | jethro: hmm, you do have that urge , i see |
| 12:57.15 | jethro | Gremlin[: well not at all |
| 12:57.17 | Gremlin[ | sorry jeff |
| 12:57.20 | Gremlin[ | :) |
| 12:57.31 | jethro | Gremlin[: I answer things I know about that's all |
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| 12:57.42 | toresbe | asg: ping? |
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| 12:58.19 | LordFrith | Ok, any specific reason why "sudo grep -r something *" would cause a machine to lock up? |
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| 12:58.55 | jm_ | hellz: so the problem is it's not sending it? |
| 12:59.40 | Gremlin[ | jethro: well, you don't know about this specific problem related to the sasl package, wich is really ancient |
| 13:00.05 | hellz | jm_: in the sending machine, there's no such port, but in the receiving it's listening |
| 13:00.24 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.33 | jethro | Gremlin[: that's what you asked |
| 13:00.41 | jethro | Gremlin[: and I told you how to find the package |
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| 13:00.59 | jethro | Gremlin[: now where did I miss something? what's this problem of which you speak? |
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| 13:01.42 | jethro | Gremlin[: I think it's time you take a nice cup of stfu and some round slices of rtfm too |
| 13:02.07 | pinks | jethro - I have the microphone live and I can get feedback but I can not be heard by people I phone on Skype. Any ideas? |
| 13:02.14 | jethro | pinks: no |
| 13:02.20 | pinks | :-( |
| 13:02.34 | jethro | pinks: double check your skype settings |
| 13:02.38 | jm_ | hellz: well sending machine doesn't have to listen on port for it to work |
| 13:02.41 | PerfDave | pinks: Don't use propriatery software? :) |
| 13:02.42 | pinks | yea- did that too |
| 13:02.46 | pinks | :-p |
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| 13:02.51 | jethro | :) |
| 13:03.01 | WorkerII | pinks: Don't phone folks on Skype, its a lousy quality. Use /real/ VoIP instead .. hook up asterix or something. :-) |
| 13:03.07 | jethro | thanks Gremlin[ |
| 13:03.14 | WorkerII | !tell pinks about voip |
| 13:03.31 | WorkerII | Who is dan2? |
| 13:03.36 | WorkerII | !voip |
| 13:03.36 | dpkg | hmm... voip is voice over ip and the voip master is dan2 |
| 13:03.37 | Gremlin[ | jethro: it's weird, but in the end it's kind of obvious that i'm mistaking :)) |
| 13:03.43 | pinks | dan2?? |
| 13:03.47 | directhex|work | WorkerII, phonegaim! it's linspiretastic |
| 13:03.48 | Gremlin[ | so i'm gonna take that cup and slice |
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| 13:04.06 | WorkerII | pinks: I think someone smashed the entry, or its a joke I don't get, because I know not dan2. |
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| 13:04.15 | pinks | LOL |
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| 13:04.25 | geertian | just installed sarge, alsa seems to work accept there is no soundxmmhowto make sure my asound.state is ok |
| 13:04.25 | WorkerII | pinks: or maybe dan2 is really an expert *shrug* :) |
| 13:04.34 | jethro | !dan2 |
| 13:04.34 | dpkg | methinks dan2 is the Athletic Geek (TM) and is going to kick r0's ass if he changed my factoid again, or a dumbass, or a C++ weenie |
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| 13:04.51 | stew | dpkg: voip =~ s/and the voip master is dan2/for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org/ |
| 13:04.57 | pinks | geertian - run amixer |
| 13:05.00 | stew | err |
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| 13:05.14 | stew | dpkg: voip =~ s,and the voip master is dan2,for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org, |
| 13:05.14 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 13:05.15 | pinks | geertian or alsamix |
| 13:05.25 | geertian | <pinks>did that |
| 13:05.42 | axelxxx | hello. when i start wine in Debby, it says:X connection to localhost:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Why does it happen? |
| 13:05.48 | WorkerII | dpkg: voip is also pulver.com and gratissip.dk |
| 13:05.48 | dpkg | okay, WorkerII |
| 13:05.48 | geertian | still nothing... |
| 13:06.01 | jethro | stew: does dpkg support s/foo.*$// or similar stuff and if yes, how do you do it? s/foo.*$// isn't valid |
| 13:06.21 | stew | jethro: it does, its just that my entry also had http:// |
| 13:06.26 | pinks | http://voip-info.com does not resolve |
| 13:06.27 | WorkerII | darn |
| 13:06.34 | WorkerII | oh .. wrong channel |
| 13:06.35 | axelxxx | anybody solved such problems? |
| 13:06.39 | jethro | stew: and read that, but never managed to get it parse $ or ^ correctly |
| 13:06.40 | stew | pinks: did you try .org like i said? |
| 13:06.43 | hellz | jm_: yes that's what, |
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| 13:06.52 | hellz | jm_: what would be the solution then |
| 13:07.04 | pinks | http://voip-info.org does not resolve |
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| 13:07.18 | stew | jethro: ohh, hmm, i'm not sure |
| 13:07.34 | jethro | dpkg: foo =~ s/bir.*$// |
| 13:07.34 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'bir.*$', jethro |
| 13:07.37 | jethro | !foo |
| 13:07.37 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
| 13:07.45 | jethro | stew: see what I mean? :) |
| 13:07.48 | stew | dpkg: voip =~ s,$,or ask me about <asterisk> and <sip>, |
| 13:07.48 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '$', stew |
| 13:07.53 | stew | guess not then |
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| 13:08.00 | jethro | ok |
| 13:08.01 | pinks | http://www.voip-info.org is what you meant |
| 13:08.03 | jm_ | hellz: well the problem might be that this is not enough for sending it, one would have to look at the code to see if it uses /etc/services for that too, alternatively it might be your configuration - does it work with default ports? |
| 13:08.28 | jethro | anyways, back to my ldap schemas |
| 13:08.41 | stew | pinks: thats what i said |
| 13:08.47 | stew | !voip |
| 13:08.47 | dpkg | voip is probably voice over ip for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org, or pulver.com and gratissip.dk |
| 13:09.06 | hellz | yes, it's working fine with default ports |
| 13:09.10 | axelxxx | anybody likes to drink wine? |
| 13:09.18 | pinks | LOL - no it's not 15:05:59) stew: dpkg: voip =~ s,and the voip master is dan2,for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org, :-p |
| 13:09.32 | hellz | jm_:my problem rose as i wanted to receive logs from two different machine |
| 13:09.44 | hellz | jm :onto a single machine |
| 13:09.44 | saabin | I have this variable thing. Someone gives me a tip |
| 13:09.49 | pinks | dpkg is wrong !!! |
| 13:09.55 | saabin | " sed -e 's/\-n abc.*//' " to erase it. String is "-n abc=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt" How to make a variable myvar=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt? |
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| 13:10.06 | stew | pinks: wtf are you talking about? |
| 13:10.07 | saabin | sed, grep, wak how to start it |
| 13:10.08 | jm_ | hellz: why is that a problem? |
| 13:10.25 | pinks | teh url in dpkg is wrong - that's all |
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| 13:10.30 | stew | pinks: no its not |
| 13:10.32 | saabin | string is at the end of the line |
| 13:10.40 | pinks | stew - try it...... |
| 13:10.40 | axelxxx | drinking wine coctail with Debby isn't really fun i supose... |
| 13:10.44 | stew | pinks: i did |
| 13:10.53 | pinks | doesn;t resolve from here |
| 13:11.03 | hellz | jm_: that is not a problem, but the c program that i have written is blocking some messages from one of the pc |
| 13:11.10 | pinks | did you type it or click the link? |
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| 13:11.26 | stew | pinks: i get to a page entitled "a reference guide to all things VOIP", and its the EXACT URL you paasted |
| 13:11.33 | stew | pinks: i copied it and pasted it |
| 13:11.38 | hellz | jm_:it is probably the high rate of data transfer and secondly since it is udp |
| 13:11.38 | pinks | yea - the one *I* pasted |
| 13:11.45 | stew | pinks: plonk |
| 13:11.46 | pinks | *not* the one from dpkg |
| 13:12.01 | stew | pinks: they are exactely the same |
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| 13:12.11 | SiliconViper | For anyone who uses it, my little installscript has been updated. As usual, I caution you not to use the default settings, unless you want bloat on-par with Knoppix. It's easy to mod. Enjoy! |
| 13:12.12 | pinks | one has www and the other hadn;t |
| 13:12.13 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/ |
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| 13:12.34 | Guerin | thanks jm_ and jethro |
| 13:12.36 | jethro | pinks: they're the same IP address in the end |
| 13:12.47 | Guerin | it does work lovelely |
| 13:12.47 | jm_ | hellz: but how will changing ports help? |
| 13:12.50 | jm_ | Guerin: enjoy |
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| 13:12.55 | jethro | Guerin: glad to hear that :) |
| 13:13.10 | Guerin | worth ssling it if I restrict it to 10.0.0.*? |
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| 13:13.30 | jethro | only you can answer, since it'll depend on how paranoid you are |
| 13:13.35 | k3k0 | how i can update 2.2 kernel to 2.6 in debian woody |
| 13:13.39 | Guerin | bear in mind that this is a three-computer home lan :) |
| 13:13.46 | hellz | jm_:things will be dedicated then |
| 13:13.48 | jethro | I d say no need for ssl then :) |
| 13:13.49 | k3k0 | do i have to configure sources.list ? |
| 13:13.49 | saabin | I must refrase it and I am sorry did not made the request clearly last times. |
| 13:14.08 | jm_ | hellz: how so? |
| 13:14.11 | saabin | How to make a variable myvar=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt? from string "-n abc=/usr/tmp/text.00433.txt" at the end of the line |
| 13:14.29 | hellz | jm_: a single socket will listen to a single port |
| 13:14.33 | jethro | saabin: /j #bash |
| 13:14.53 | saabin | jethro: I did there are asleep. |
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| 13:14.59 | jm_ | hellz: well another option would be to send it over tcp with a custom tool |
| 13:15.17 | maxxle | j |
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| 13:15.33 | k3k0 | how i can update the fucking kernel!! |
| 13:15.45 | iceman | just fucking apt-get a newer one |
| 13:15.51 | jethro | saabin: then wait |
| 13:15.54 | k3k0 | aaight |
| 13:15.56 | k3k0 | =) |
| 13:16.00 | PerfDave | k3k0: You don't want a 2.6 kernel in Woody, it's not properly supported. |
| 13:16.02 | hellz | yes, that is true and then again custom changes needs to made across each of the pc's it listens |
| 13:16.23 | k3k0 | PerfDave: ok i update it first to sarge |
| 13:16.28 | k3k0 | PerfDave: is that ok |
| 13:16.32 | PerfDave | k3k0: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:16.40 | PerfDave | k3k0: It's OK, if you don't mind having security updates. |
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| 13:17.17 | k3k0 | PerfDave: thnx |
| 13:17.39 | PerfDave | s/having/not having/ # duh |
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| 13:20.33 | t-ray | anybody mind to help me? |
| 13:20.55 | Guerin | t-ray: mind to ask a question? |
| 13:21.01 | t-ray | ok |
| 13:21.04 | iceman | t-ray: I don't mind trying |
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| 13:21.22 | t-ray | I need to get a bt more newer python installed |
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| 13:21.41 | t-ray | now i have 2.1.3 |
| 13:21.49 | iceman | t-ray: newer python ey? are you running woody? |
| 13:21.50 | t-ray | and i need atleast 2.3 |
| 13:21.54 | t-ray | yes |
| 13:22.03 | iceman | t-ray: go fish at apt-get.org |
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| 13:22.29 | stew | t-ray: look at backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:22.32 | Guerin | backports.org has some... they work for me. |
| 13:22.44 | t-ray | ok? |
| 13:22.56 | PerfDave | t-ray: Woody is the stable branch. The stable branch doesn't get newer versions of anything, only security fixes. To install more recent software, you need a backport, which isn't supported by the security team. /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:23.13 | qwertz | Hi! Got mail and an attachment from an outlook user and the attachment changed to winmail.dat. So is there a way to get the attachment out of the winmail.dat file with linux? |
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| 13:23.32 | F-Lelo | hello guys... what can I use to open sxw extensions on debian? |
| 13:23.41 | Guerin | qwertz: tell them to send a real fucking attachment |
| 13:23.48 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, openoffice.org |
| 13:23.48 | Delph | F-Lelo: sounds like openoffice |
| 13:23.54 | F-Lelo | hmmm alright |
| 13:23.56 | F-Lelo | thanks guys =D |
| 13:23.57 | Guerin | F-Lelo: openoffice.org writer, the app which creates them itfp |
| 13:24.06 | directhex|work | sxw is StarOffice Writer, the default file format of openoffice.org writer |
| 13:24.15 | F-Lelo | I was wondering if koffice has some program to read it |
| 13:24.36 | Guerin | it should, since the whole shootin' box is lgpl... |
| 13:24.41 | directhex|work | but doesn't |
| 13:24.46 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:24.47 | F-Lelo | hmmm damn :( |
| 13:24.48 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 13:24.52 | F-Lelo | I'll have to download openoffice then |
| 13:24.54 | directhex|work | the new file format of OOo 2 is the same as the format of the next version of koffice |
| 13:25.06 | F-Lelo | nextgen? hmmm... |
| 13:25.10 | directhex|work | and next abiword i expect |
| 13:25.11 | Guerin | and we complain about proprietary software not being able to open strange file formats |
| 13:25.12 | tzafrir | F-Lelo, OOo is a zip of XML. If you just want to read the text from it, that's easy |
| 13:25.18 | F-Lelo | not even koffice from kde 3.4? (don't really know if it is different, tho) |
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| 13:25.33 | F-Lelo | hmm |
| 13:25.34 | tzafrir | Look at contents.xml inside the zip |
| 13:25.39 | F-Lelo | my problem is sxw |
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| 13:25.43 | F-Lelo | sxw extensions |
| 13:25.44 | directhex|work | sxw is transitory as a file format. ooo 2+ won't use it except for backwards-compatability |
| 13:25.46 | TimbrWolf | Any one have experience using a tv-out card? |
| 13:25.58 | jm_ | qert;doesn't tnef work for that? |
| 13:25.59 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 13:25.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:26.00 | directhex|work | TimbrWolf, plug it in, it works. where's the issue? |
| 13:26.02 | PerfDave | Guerin: At least it's techincally possible in the Free Software world. |
| 13:26.04 | jm_ | qwertz: doesn't tnef work for that? |
| 13:26.05 | iceman | TimbrWolf: I have |
| 13:26.06 | F-Lelo | hmmmm I see |
| 13:26.07 | quitte | how much traffic does this channel cause when connected to it for a month? |
| 13:26.10 | tzafrir | ooo 2's format is bascially the same, AFAIK |
| 13:26.10 | adughep | how can i insert a video module because i got an error with insmod foo.o |
| 13:26.10 | Guerin | PerfDave: :) |
| 13:26.15 | F-Lelo | alright guys |
| 13:26.17 | F-Lelo | thanks for the info ;) |
| 13:26.21 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 13:26.21 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 13:26.28 | directhex|work | tzafrir, the xml schemas have changed |
| 13:26.36 | SiliconViper | k3k0, http://wiki.debian.net/?AptPinning |
| 13:27.21 | TimbrWolf | iceman: I plug it in and text works on boot up, but graphics cause tv to show lots of lines |
| 13:27.21 | adughep | i used an modprobe too i got a fatal error |
| 13:27.34 | takatumi | TimbrWolf: ain't it working? |
| 13:27.42 | directhex|work | TimbrWolf, ati? |
| 13:27.58 | TimbrWolf | yes, ati radeon 7000/VE |
| 13:28.06 | directhex|work | TimbrWolf, use the vesa driver, not the ati driver |
| 13:28.30 | TimbrWolf | ok, try that |
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| 13:28.53 | adughep | dpkg how to load the module with modprobe? |
| 13:28.58 | adughep | or guerin |
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| 13:29.06 | adughep | dpkg is a bot:P |
| 13:29.34 | asg | !botsnack |
| 13:29.34 | dpkg | :), asg |
| 13:29.41 | takatumi | adughep: man modprobe |
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| 13:29.58 | adughep | i did modprobe savage.o and didnt work |
| 13:30.04 | asg | adughep: s/.o// |
| 13:30.05 | iceman | remove .o |
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| 13:30.27 | geertian | ok everything seems to bee fine with alsa but no sound!!!??? |
| 13:30.38 | takatumi | geertian: unmute |
| 13:30.41 | iceman | geertian: alsamixer, check the mutings |
| 13:30.44 | Guerin | geertian: turn your mixer volume up |
| 13:30.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:30.53 | Guerin | did anyone file a bug against that yet? |
| 13:31.02 | geertian | nope it's unmuted... |
| 13:31.07 | takatumi | Guerin: thought it was fixed. |
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| 13:31.48 | stouset | Hey. |
| 13:32.09 | asg | Jude |
| 13:32.31 | takatumi | geertian: "everything seems to bee fine with alsa" how? |
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| 13:33.22 | peanut | At which stage in the package build process (from a source package) should compile time flags be passed? |
| 13:33.26 | joenp | I just had a new video card installed. How can I find out information about it on my Debian unstable system? |
| 13:33.32 | Guerin | takatumi: not as of this afternoon, when I installed a new sound card |
| 13:33.37 | asg | peanut: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:33.40 | PerfDave | joenp: lspci, dmidecode |
| 13:33.46 | adughep | iceman it didnt work i got a FATAL error savage.o not found |
| 13:33.46 | Guerin | joenp: lspci |grep -i vga |
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| 13:33.50 | axelxxx | i got a great dev. work 1.2$/hour. i pay 70% if anyone helps! |
| 13:34.01 | adughep | and without .o |
| 13:34.09 | adughep | only modprobe savage |
| 13:34.12 | takatumi | Guerin: actually I enjoyed that experience. :) |
| 13:34.30 | sml | Are sybase datatypes still roughly compatible with SQL server or have the diverged even more-so since the version MSSQL was based on? |
| 13:34.59 | joenp | PerfDave, Guerin: Thanks. Now I found out it's an ATI card "unknown device". Can I find out more? |
| 13:35.02 | sml | I remember being able to port data quite easily between the two , but this was half a decade ago, things may have changed. |
| 13:35.23 | adughep | k then another question how i install savage.o module in the kernel |
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| 13:35.36 | directhex|work | joenp, apt-get install hwinfo |
| 13:35.52 | sml | OK I guess there are no Sybase users in da house. |
| 13:35.53 | asg | adughep: what error does 'modprobe savage' print? |
| 13:36.00 | directhex|work | joenp, then hwinfo --gfxcard |
| 13:36.00 | asg | sml: not in a long time, no ;) |
| 13:36.15 | takatumi | joenp: apt-get install pciutils and run update-pciids as well. |
| 13:36.23 | adughep | FATAL: Module savage_drv.o not found |
| 13:36.27 | peanut | asg, thanks |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | NeoBREED: did you get debian installed? |
| 13:36.31 | asg | peanut: you're welcome |
| 13:36.40 | adughep | FATAL: Module savage_drv not found |
| 13:36.40 | jm_ | abrotman: he did ;) |
| 13:36.41 | abrotman | NeoBREED: or are you still running knoppix ? |
| 13:36.43 | abrotman | ah .. good |
| 13:36.58 | NeoBREED | abrotman: yes I did, thank you. Have issues with USB and sound |
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| 13:37.00 | takatumi | directhex|work: neat, didn't know that. |
| 13:37.01 | sml | asg: Hmmm I have a program that runs on SQL server and Oracle and it USED to work on Sybase however i've not supported it on that for many many years. we've got a potential sale to a Sybase user, I guess I'm going to have to catch up on the last few years very quickly. |
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| 13:37.15 | adughep | asg? |
| 13:37.17 | abrotman | NeoBREED: eww .. |
| 13:37.21 | abrotman | ?gsa |
| 13:37.22 | directhex|work | takatumi, --framebuffer will give you framebuffer console mode lines |
| 13:37.30 | NeoBREED | abrotman: no more knoppix or any othe nock-off crap.... pure Debian from now on |
| 13:37.32 | asg | sml: well, it depends, I guess, on how close to SQL-92 they both are at this point (or SQL-99) |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | NeoBREED: yay :) |
| 13:37.40 | asg | adughep: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 13:37.41 | NeoBREED | abrotman: yeah... I know... |
| 13:37.44 | abrotman | NeoBREED: why doesn't your sound/usb work ? |
| 13:37.46 | adughep | nope |
| 13:37.55 | takatumi | directhex|work: Mode 0x0323: 1024x768 (+4096), 32 bits |
| 13:37.58 | asg | adughep: what does 'uname -r' print? |
| 13:37.58 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I have never been able to figure that out |
| 13:38.04 | sml | asg: True. I dont have a copy of Sybase to play with. I *used* to run it on Linux ( I wrote the how-to for windows to linux connectivity and pissed off sybase at the time) |
| 13:38.11 | abrotman | NeoBREED: did you possibly load the wrong usb hub type .. ? |
| 13:38.14 | NeoBREED | abrotman: don't know where to start.... I've done it a few times |
| 13:38.14 | asg | sml: hehe |
| 13:38.15 | adughep | linux 2.6.11.4 |
| 13:38.15 | sml | asg: Guess I better quit IRC,and do some work! |
| 13:38.20 | sml | a sale! |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | NeoBREED: lspci .. and googe :) |
| 13:38.24 | Guerin | sml: what a stupid idea |
| 13:38.25 | abrotman | er google |
| 13:38.25 | s-toned | are there any recommendations about notebook hardware for debian? |
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| 13:38.31 | Guerin | s-toned: ibm |
| 13:38.38 | takatumi | or apple. |
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| 13:38.42 | stew | adughep: then you did compile your own kernel, or you are lying |
| 13:38.44 | mosty | s-toned: www.linux-laptop.net |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | s-toned: linux-laptop.net .. and IBM |
| 13:38.48 | directhex|work | takatumi, 1600x1200 consoles are where it's at |
| 13:38.59 | adughep | no i didnt somoene else did |
| 13:39.00 | Guerin | apple = eew, broadcom? |
| 13:39.04 | asg | adughep: are you trying to install the savage framebuffer code? |
| 13:39.06 | abrotman | yeah .. pretty much |
| 13:39.11 | adughep | i got minislack with already compiled kernel |
| 13:39.15 | adughep | yes |
| 13:39.21 | takatumi | directhex|work: my ati won't take it any further. |
| 13:39.23 | stew | adughep: minislack? |
| 13:39.23 | asg | adughep: try savagefb then |
| 13:39.29 | adughep | i want to install it from weeks |
| 13:39.31 | asg | stew: we've been duped |
| 13:39.33 | NeoBREED | does gdesklets work with fluxbox without gnome? |
| 13:39.39 | drac | NeoBREED: yes. |
| 13:39.40 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 13:39.46 | asg | NeoBREED: should do though why you want to run it is anyone's guess. |
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| 13:39.52 | adughep | yes minislack with 2.6.11.4 kernel |
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| 13:40.01 | asg | adughep: this is #debian though, not #slackware |
| 13:40.04 | drac | dpkg: minislack |
| 13:40.14 | adughep | i know |
| 13:40.20 | stew | adughep: /part |
| 13:40.25 | NeoBREED | I want to cutsomize fluxbox a bit |
| 13:40.28 | adughep | but this is a linux question not only debina |
| 13:40.30 | NeoBREED | where do I start? |
| 13:40.31 | abrotman | NeoBREED: shouldn't you be working on sound/usb first? :) |
| 13:40.35 | stew | adughep: ##linux then |
| 13:40.41 | Guerin | NeoBREED: fluxconf |
| 13:40.43 | adughep | and here a got many answers |
| 13:40.54 | NeoBREED | alright alright.... sound/usb |
| 13:40.54 | jethro | adughep: linux questions in ##linux, debian specific problems in #debian |
| 13:41.12 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I've been working on it all night.... I fell asleep around 5AM |
| 13:41.22 | NeoBREED | abrotman: help. |
| 13:41.24 | NeoBREED | LOL |
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| 13:41.28 | adughep | not exactly if i think is a general question i will ask but thanks anyway |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | NeoBREED: help? |
| 13:41.38 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I googled... and do all the other stuff... |
| 13:41.43 | NeoBREED | abrotman: no luck |
| 13:41.55 | stew | hah, not sure if its a general question, but its definately a debian question |
| 13:41.59 | AciD | what's the package name for tho console coloriser already ? |
| 13:42.04 | abrotman | NeoBREED: what kind of sound card? |
| 13:42.07 | geertian | howto change my Mix volume? |
| 13:42.07 | marowiliams | sorry an help please; today i cannot log in my sarge starting with runlevel2, so i logged starting in recory mode runlevel1 singleuser and then i've done passwd root ... but if i try to login in runlevel2 is always impossible with all users. |
| 13:42.09 | jm_ | console colorizer? |
| 13:42.12 | AciD | it broke the libc6 installation process |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | AciD: you need more colors? |
| 13:42.24 | AciD | no, i need to disable it |
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| 13:42.27 | NeoBREED | first of all... I'm in fluxbox..... now I wouldn't be able to know if usb is working unless I mount it... is that right? mount /dev/sda1? |
| 13:42.28 | axelxxx | how can i allow opening X session for ssh client? |
| 13:42.31 | Guerin | 16 colours should be enough for anyone |
| 13:42.31 | abrotman | AciD: too many colors? |
| 13:42.37 | AciD | can't remember the pkg name.. |
| 13:42.39 | AciD | yep |
| 13:42.39 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. 52! |
| 13:42.40 | Guerin | axelxxx: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 13:42.45 | Guerin | abrotman: bah. |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | AciD: you mean ls --color ? |
| 13:42.55 | AciD | it automatically add some sh color codes |
| 13:42.57 | AciD | no |
| 13:43.04 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I have THinkpad 600 and I think the sound card is Crystal something |
| 13:43.14 | AciD | color codes to usual cmd like ping, etc.. |
| 13:43.23 | Guerin | eew |
| 13:43.27 | abrotman | NeoBREED: this is where lspci helps |
| 13:43.27 | jm_ | haha |
| 13:43.49 | NeoBREED | abrotman: should I apt get that then? |
| 13:43.52 | stew | NeoBREED: cs4232 |
| 13:43.56 | mosty | is it just me, or is mozilla-firefox's xul and/or javascript broken in every other sid update? ie i get javascript errors when i try to save a file, print a page etc |
| 13:43.57 | bwbettin | I'm trying to get Xterm to work with 256 colors. From the tinkering I've done with a few programs, I'm getting the impression that Xterm as installed from the sources for Debian Sarge does not support 256 color as is? Do I need to compile it myself from sources on the Xterm website, or is there a Debian package I can install from the sources? Of the packages in my sources only three looked relevant; xterm, xtermcontrol, and xtermset |
| 13:43.57 | bwbettin | . I have all 3 installed. |
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| 13:44.20 | abrotman | NeoBREED: quite comprehensive .. http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm |
| 13:44.32 | axelxxx | Guerin: are you sure? |
| 13:44.35 | marowiliams | sorry an help please; today i cannot log in my sarge starting with runlevel2, so i logged starting in recory mode runlevel1 singleuser and then i've done passwd root ... but if i try to login in runlevel2 is always impossible with all users. |
| 13:44.41 | abrotman | NeoBREED: but please make sure your machine type is at least close |
| 13:44.43 | NeoBREED | abrotman: the sound card is Crystal 4237b |
| 13:44.52 | Guerin | axelxxx: yes. |
| 13:45.07 | a_monkey | i installed xfonts-terminus, but i can't find any extra fonts in the fontlist for gnome-terminal. |
| 13:45.09 | Guerin | axelxxx: of course, if you feel like being more specific... |
| 13:45.10 | joenp | directhex|work, takatumi: Thanks, now I'm a little bit wiser :) |
| 13:45.15 | a_monkey | i've even restarted X |
| 13:45.16 | stew | NeoBREED: its a cs4232 if its a thinpad 600 |
| 13:45.42 | NeoBREED | okay |
| 13:46.09 | NeoBREED | abrotman: that page and along with others give intensive info on sound with ALSA, but nothing much about USB |
| 13:46.23 | axelxxx | Guerin: it shall be run on server? |
| 13:46.34 | abrotman | NeoBREED: because usb should just work .. what about your usb doens't work? |
| 13:46.49 | stew | !wayttd NeoBREED |
| 13:46.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NeoBREED? |
| 13:47.12 | s-toned | linux-laptops.net is an american and US state flag shop |
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| 13:47.31 | abrotman | s-toned: www.linux-laptop.net ? |
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| 13:48.03 | abrotman | s-toned: i think you're stoned |
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| 13:48.32 | s-toned | abrotman: maybe, there was an s too much |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:48.45 | joenp | Now that I know that ATI produced my graphics card, which is then most likely a Radeon card, can I apt-get the drivers? E.g. from a custom source? |
| 13:48.53 | NeoBREED | abrotman: with lspci it says: USB Controller: Intel Corp. 8237AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev01) |
| 13:49.06 | directhex|work | joenp, depends on exactly which model of radeon it is |
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| 13:49.16 | abrotman | NeoBREED: seems fairly common .. sohuld just work i imagine |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | NeoBREED: is discover installed? |
| 13:49.38 | joenp | directhex|work: I don't know that, hwinfo wasn't able to tell me. |
| 13:49.45 | NeoBREED | abrotman: how do I mount the usb flash drive? I don't think discover is installed |
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| 13:49.54 | axelxxx | Guerin: so what you say: cient or server? |
| 13:49.54 | directhex|work | joenp, what's written on the card? |
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| 13:50.16 | abrotman | !tell NeoBREED about usb-storage |
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| 13:50.21 | joenp | directhex|work: I wish I knew. The box is closed. Literally :/ |
| 13:50.31 | directhex|work | joenp, get a screwdriver! |
| 13:50.38 | greycat | or a blowtorch |
| 13:50.48 | directhex|work | or an angle grinder |
| 13:50.53 | abrotman | hammer! |
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| 13:50.58 | stew | x-ray goggles! |
| 13:50.58 | greycat | or a really powerful laser |
| 13:51.07 | Guerin | !wayttd axelxxx |
| 13:51.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, axelxxx? |
| 13:51.11 | jethro | x-ray goggles is a good idea |
| 13:51.15 | abrotman | or really smart ants to go in and bring back the info! |
| 13:51.28 | greycat | <slashdot> nanites! </slashdot> |
| 13:51.39 | LordFrith | Ok, so I'm attempting to get NIS running as a siomple client. I did apt-get insteall nis, gave it the domain name, configured the passwd and groups file accoring to the nis.howto, stopped and started the server, but yet I have no joy. It doesn't know what files belong to which users. What am I not doing correctly? |
| 13:52.03 | axelxxx | i need to run wine in ssh, but it causes error when connecting to X |
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| 13:52.11 | axelxxx | the same thing with xterm |
| 13:52.14 | jm_ | lordfi;did you add the + line to /etc/passwd? |
| 13:52.15 | NeoBREED | abrotman: forgive me, but I don't understand it too much. |
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| 13:52.22 | LSorensen | axelxxx: and the error is? |
| 13:52.22 | LordFrith | Obviously, it was waiting for me to ask this question, since it has now decided to start working. |
| 13:52.24 | Guerin | axelxxx: you want to run a remote wine on a local X server? |
| 13:52.26 | greycat | LordFrith: what does "ypwhich" say? |
| 13:52.27 | NeoBREED | abrotman: how do I load the modules? |
| 13:52.34 | abrotman | NeoBREED: modconf |
| 13:52.50 | axelxxx | i connect to debian from widows |
| 13:53.07 | NeoBREED | abrotman: getting that now |
| 13:53.07 | abrotman | necrophiliac |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | NeoBREED: ok |
| 13:53.14 | greycat | axelxxx: putty |
| 13:53.20 | LordFrith | greycat: The nis server's name. |
| 13:53.20 | LSorensen | axelxxx: running an X app through ssh bescaily requires: remote server has X forwarding allowed, remote server has xauth installed, you run ssh -X or have X forwarding enabled in in the ssh client config as default |
| 13:53.24 | axelxxx | Guerin: yes! |
| 13:53.37 | greycat | LordFrith: good... does "ypcat passwd" show you the list of users and their hashes and so on? |
| 13:53.43 | LSorensen | axelxxx: and of course you have to be running an X server locally with the right env set before starting ssh |
| 13:53.43 | NeoBREED | abrotman: in the future, will I have to load the modules each time? |
| 13:53.45 | Guerin | axelxxx: LSorensen said it |
| 13:53.46 | axelxxx | LSorensen: the forwarding is enabled |
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| 13:53.55 | abrotman | NeoBREED: not if you use modconf you shouldn't |
| 13:53.59 | LordFrith | For some reason, it has decided that it can now run. |
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| 13:54.04 | LSorensen | axelxxx: are you running X on windows? |
| 13:54.11 | geertian | HOWTO change the volume of mix for alsa?? |
| 13:54.18 | LSorensen | geertian: alsa-utils package, alsamixer |
| 13:54.22 | Guerin | geertian: alsamixer!!! |
| 13:54.29 | LordFrith | It's doing uid <-> username translation, so I guess it's happy now. |
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| 13:54.44 | axelxxx | LSorensen:i connect from windows, but i need to start app that uses X |
| 13:54.49 | geertian | alsamixer is not capable of changing the mix thingy... |
| 13:54.53 | LordFrith | Now my main concern is: su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 13:54.59 | Guerin | geertian: what is the mix thingy? |
| 13:55.01 | jm_ | LordFrith: otherwise use ypcat to fetch the data from the server |
| 13:55.06 | LSorensen | axelxxx: then you have to be running an X server on windows first, and have your ssh client configured properly to forward connections to your X server |
| 13:55.20 | LordFrith | But that probably has something to do with the way I was logged into this machine, so that's acceptable. |
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| 13:55.29 | axelxxx | is there any X server from wnd? |
| 13:55.34 | LSorensen | axelxxx: X applications can only display on an X server, so you have to run one. cygwin has one for example |
| 13:55.46 | Guerin | axelxxx: woah, you haven't even got that far? |
| 13:55.57 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I'm in modconf, but the kernel/drivers/usb/storage has a '.' next to it |
| 13:56.01 | geertian | <Guerin> alsactl says : Simple mixer control 'Mix',0 |
| 13:56.04 | LSorensen | axelxxx: the other option is to run Xvnc on the server, and run a vnc client instead |
| 13:56.05 | axelxxx | LSorensen: you mean Ms Windows? |
| 13:56.08 | directhex|work | install cygwin, the xserver in that is pretty good since they dumped xfree86 for xorg |
| 13:56.10 | NeoBREED | abrotman: and there's no sn_mod |
| 13:56.15 | LSorensen | axelxxx: then run the aplpication inside Xvnc |
| 13:56.21 | abrotman | NeoBREED: sg_mod ? |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | oh .. sd_mod |
| 13:56.29 | takatumi | sd_mod |
| 13:56.31 | NeoBREED | sd |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | just load sd_mod |
| 13:56.32 | NeoBREED | sorry |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | err sd |
| 13:56.36 | NeoBREED | sd_mod |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | i think that's it |
| 13:56.39 | LSorensen | axelxxx: cygwin is unix tools for win32 |
| 13:56.40 | Guerin | geertian: sounds to me like your alsa system is fucked. |
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| 13:56.58 | axelxxx | LSorensen: maybe i should better use some linux to connect (RedHat, Knopp, etc?) |
| 13:57.01 | greycat | cygwin is really more of a unix-like environment that runs on top of win32. |
| 13:57.05 | LSorensen | geertian: what cards are listed in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 13:57.11 | Guerin | axelxxx: would be easier |
| 13:57.15 | LSorensen | greycat: well poxis environment emulator for windows |
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| 13:57.24 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I don't see sd_mod |
| 13:57.29 | axelxxx | Guerin: thanx. i'll try that now |
| 13:57.33 | abrotman | NeoBREED: how about just 'sd' ? |
| 13:57.36 | geertian | is fucked?? what do you mean by fucked?? |
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| 13:57.43 | LSorensen | axelxxx: simplest solution is to dump windows and run linux instead |
| 13:57.51 | directhex|work | cygwin is a posix compatability dll for windows, and a bunch of unix apps compiled for that posix environment |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | geertian: you see .. you insert the ... |
| 13:57.59 | NeoBREED | abrotman: where would it be listed under? in modconf |
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| 13:58.11 | abrotman | NeoBREED: try just loading usb-storage |
| 13:58.16 | Mwnci | anybody know of a good tool to connect a debian laptop using a pcmcia card to connect to an access point |
| 13:58.26 | geertian | <VIA 8235 at 0xe000, irq 193>I'ts |
| 13:58.28 | axelxxx | LSorensen: how does linux connect to ssh. in windows i use putty. |
| 13:58.31 | Guerin | Mwnci: an ethernet cable |
| 13:58.39 | greycat | axelxxx: man ssh |
| 13:58.39 | directhex|work | axelxxx, with ssh |
| 13:58.39 | LSorensen | Mwnci: wirelesstools package or something? assuming you have a supported wireless card and a driver for it |
| 13:58.39 | asg | Mwnci: apt-get install wireless tools ; man 7 wireless |
| 13:58.43 | Mwnci | yes well that does work Guerin |
| 13:58.55 | Mwnci | got them tools LSorensen asg |
| 13:59.07 | axelxxx | greycat: and do i need any additional installs to use X? |
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| 13:59.16 | NeoBREED | abrotman: in the usb/storage... there's a dot... I went in... and it says: usb-storage +USB Mass Storage support |
| 13:59.16 | directhex|work | you can compile unix tools for windows which either reply on cygwin1.dll, or compile larger binaries which include the required layers in the executable using mingw |
| 13:59.18 | LSorensen | axelxxx: linux uses ssh client program. if run inside X on linux, using ssh -X it will forward the X connection |
| 13:59.27 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I'm assuming it's already loaded |
| 13:59.28 | abrotman | NeoBREED: sounds like it's already loaded |
| 13:59.38 | Mwnci | tried sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid NetworkName channel 10 sudo ifup wlan0 |
| 13:59.41 | axelxxx | LSorensen: ok i got it now i'll try |
| 13:59.53 | axelxxx | See ya around |
| 13:59.57 | NeoBREED | abrotman: should I worry about sd_mod? |
| 13:59.59 | Mwnci | that trys to dhcp but never finds the network |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | NeoBREED: did you try plugging in a device? |
| 14:00.02 | gothtec | What's the simplest command that outputs the name of a box with as little other information as possible? |
| 14:00.09 | NeoBREED | abrotman: haha yeah I did. |
| 14:00.15 | joenp | directhex|work: It was closed, but not locked. I was able to open it, and had to pull the card out to read anything on it. The only reasonable numbers I could see were written on the bottom: 8960 and 1.30. AFAIK there is no ATI model 8960? ;) |
| 14:00.21 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it has been in for a while |
| 14:00.21 | tzafrir | godsmoke, hostname ? |
| 14:00.33 | NeoBREED | abrotman: the green LED isn't flashing though |
| 14:00.34 | gothtec | godsmoke.. |
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| 14:00.44 | abrotman | NeoBREED: did you mount it ? |
| 14:00.48 | directhex|work | joenp, MSI MS-8960. Radeon X300SE. |
| 14:00.51 | geertian | LSorensen:<VIA 8235 at 0xe000, irq 193> is in /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:00.52 | gothtec | tzafrir: thanks :) |
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| 14:01.11 | directhex|work | joenp, google for "flavio ati" and follow the instructions to the letter, to the pixel, to the electron. |
| 14:01.13 | LSorensen | geertian: well it found something. I imagine that is snd-via82cxx or something like that right? |
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| 14:01.32 | greycat | directhex|work: why are we not telling people to /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 14:01.33 | geertian | LSorensen:yeaps |
| 14:01.52 | greycat | directhex|work: if the <ati drivers> factoid is obsolete (quite probable), let's fix it |
| 14:02.04 | directhex|work | !ati drivers |
| 14:02.04 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 14:02.07 | Mwnci | any tools that can detect and connect to a wireless network? |
| 14:02.22 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 14:02.26 | asg | Mwnci: iwlist <interface> scan ; man iwconfig or man 7 wireless |
| 14:02.30 | NeoBREED | abrotman: do I just create a directory in et/fstab? (dev/sda1 and then make another directory (/mnt/usb) in it? |
| 14:02.36 | directhex|work | think the no worky bit is obsolete, otherwise seems fine. factoids i don't create myself i try to avoid in case someone's tampered with them |
| 14:02.52 | asg | Mwnci: wavemon can also be used for some cards, but not all. |
| 14:02.53 | qwertz | jm_ thanks looks like the right tool |
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| 14:03.02 | Mwnci | ok asg |
| 14:03.03 | directhex|work | dpkg, ati drivers =~ s/ ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'.// |
| 14:03.03 | dpkg | directhex|work: OK |
| 14:03.06 | greycat | well, we no longer recommend custom kernels, for one. it also fails to mention module-assistant, for two.... |
| 14:03.23 | directhex|work | don't think the ati stuff suports module-assistant does it? |
| 14:03.27 | LSorensen | geertian: well it works ok on this board here (snd-via82xx is in /etc/modules to make sure it loads before the crappy oss driver) |
| 14:03.27 | greycat | dunno. |
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| 14:03.32 | directhex|work | a while since i had the misfportune to use an ati on debian |
| 14:03.41 | LSorensen | geertian: Asus A8V-DX board |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | NeoBREED: that's one way .. |
| 14:03.43 | greycat | I have one at home, but I don't bother with fglrx |
| 14:03.53 | NeoBREED | abrotman: what's a good way to do it |
| 14:03.55 | LSorensen | directhex|work: it's been a while since I had the misfortune of using an ati at all |
| 14:04.01 | greycat | I also have a custom kernel, so I'm leery of trying m-a with it |
| 14:04.02 | asg | directhex|work: 2d with the X ati driver is decent. |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | NeoBREED: the way you listed is just fine |
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| 14:04.16 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I just learn that etc/fstab isn't a directory |
| 14:04.18 | Mwnci | asg I tried wavemon but it couldnt detect it |
| 14:04.21 | directhex|work | technically i could run fglrx on here, but it was freezing as x started when i tried. plus, no amd64 binaries from flavio |
| 14:04.23 | LSorensen | geertian: using 2.6.8 kernel from sarge |
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| 14:04.30 | asg | Mwnci: did you install the kernel module for your card? |
| 14:04.33 | directhex|work | oh hold on |
| 14:04.36 | NeoBREED | abrotman: so does that mean I have to edit the content in vi or emacs? |
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| 14:04.45 | directhex|work | no, crossed wires, ignore me |
| 14:04.46 | greycat | NeoBREED: any editor. |
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| 14:05.11 | directhex|work | infact, sod it. |
| 14:05.15 | abrotman | NeoBREED: yes .. with an editor |
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| 14:05.29 | Mwnci | asg, yes. if I do iwconfig gives me the full details on my card |
| 14:05.46 | asg | Mwnci: does iwlist <interface> scan list your AP? |
| 14:05.47 | karsten | abrotman: Sometimes you can get by with an associate editor. |
| 14:05.56 | asg | Mwnci: if not, is your AP broadcasting its essid? |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | karsten: copy editor ? |
| 14:06.18 | karsten | abrotman: That's only if you're editing a copy. |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:06.23 | abrotman | vipw! |
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| 14:06.24 | directhex|work | dpkg, no, ati drivers is <reply>If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 14:06.25 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
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| 14:06.32 | karsten | abrotman: If you're editing bread, you use a proof editor. |
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| 14:06.41 | karsten | abrotman: ...and if it's old-time rowing ships.... |
| 14:06.43 | directhex|work | there, i think that's better. |
| 14:06.44 | asg | karsten: rising to the challenge again? |
| 14:06.45 | karsten | abrotman: ...you need a galley editor. |
| 14:06.47 | Mwnci | asg, it cant find iwlist as a command |
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| 14:07.01 | saabin | hello again |
| 14:07.04 | saabin | in ksh how do you check a variable? if [ "$myvar" = "" ] ; then eval "blah1" else eval "blah2" fi ? |
| 14:07.10 | saabin | for empty |
| 14:07.14 | asg | Mwnci: it's in the wireless-tools package (at least on sid) |
| 14:07.18 | LSorensen | saabin: if [ -z "$var" ] |
| 14:07.30 | LSorensen | saabin: man [ |
| 14:07.33 | drac | I want to browse rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage, from debian sid, but never used rsync and don't know where to start. |
| 14:07.36 | LSorensen | saabin: simpler that way |
| 14:07.37 | drac | any pointers? |
| 14:07.49 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I did vi /etc/fstab, but when I'm inside... the text file just flashed when try to enter |
| 14:07.58 | LSorensen | drac: rsync is for syncing files, not browsing |
| 14:08.06 | saabin | if [ -z "$MYVAR" ] ; then |
| 14:08.10 | saabin | got it |
| 14:08.10 | Mwnci | asg, it found my network |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | karsten: ew |
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| 14:08.28 | abrotman | NeoBREED: you need to learn how to use vi first :) |
| 14:08.34 | TBBle | I really don't recommend editing system files with an editor you don't know how to use... Or in fact running such an editor as root at all. |
| 14:08.35 | NeoBREED | okat |
| 14:08.38 | NeoBREED | okay |
| 14:08.40 | NeoBREED | I will go do that |
| 14:08.41 | asg | Mwnci: good, then use iwconfig to fill in the appropriate information (or hardcode it in /etc/network/interfaces using man 7 wireless as an example) |
| 14:08.47 | geertian | aaaargh!! back in a sec.... |
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| 14:09.07 | asg | Mwnci: if you aren't using wep, then set at least 'essid, mode = Managed (most likely), and key off' |
| 14:09.10 | geertian | aaaargh!! back in a sec.... |
| 14:09.29 | Mwnci | asg would WPA stop it? |
| 14:09.56 | asg | Mwnci: yes, if that's what you are using. You'll need wpa_supplicant iirc to use that. |
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| 14:10.12 | mrwill | proftpd on stable is giving me a lot of 'no such user' errors for a user that exists! could this be a PAM problem? |
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| 14:10.23 | directhex|work | y'know, the sad thing is, there isn't a single graphics card on the new PCI Express interface with open-source 3D drivers |
| 14:10.32 | drac | LSorensen: hmm, i'm trying to get gentoos ati fglrx patches.. to create patch against 2.6.12-rc2, allready got it compiled by it won't load correctly. just to look around. so it syncs files, err.. so there is no way i can just download these files i want? |
| 14:10.32 | karsten | abrotman: There's nothing like running a pair (or triplet) of aptitude dist-upgrades, a mess of webpage loads, and IRC, to make on realize just how much Realplayer sucks eggs. |
| 14:10.34 | asg | !info wpasupplicant |
| 14:10.41 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 14:10.45 | abrotman | karsten: right ... .. i think |
| 14:11.01 | karsten | abrotman: Fscking client won't cache more than a few seconds of play, if you go back to the start, it has to start downloading all over again. Even flash gets _that_ part right. |
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| 14:11.08 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:12.34 | karsten | abrotman: OTOH, if you want to watch the same ten seconds of video, in jerk-cam, with 20 seconds between each two seconds of play, it's most excellent. |
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| 14:13.31 | LSorensen | drac: they must have a non rsync way to browse |
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| 14:13.55 | geertian | <LSorensen> I've got alsamixer running without a problem, so the card/driver seem ok.. |
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| 14:15.51 | geertian | <LSorensen> Oh mu card is a Asus A7v8X |
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| 14:16.31 | greycat | geertian: if you're talking *to* LSorensen please don't put <anglebrackets> around his name as if you were quoting him |
| 14:16.51 | geertian | oooh oooops sory... |
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| 14:17.51 | karsten | So... If sarge isn't out ... |
| 14:18.03 | stouset | karsten: Sarge isn't out? ;( |
| 14:18.19 | karsten | ...does that mean it's gay, but in the closet? |
| 14:18.36 | asg | karsten: it might just be in watching the telly |
| 14:18.42 | karsten | stouset: That's what I here... |
| 14:18.49 | stouset | karsten: since when? |
| 14:19.00 | stouset | karsten: when was sarge not released? :-( |
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| 14:19.15 | karsten | stouset: I hear sarge wasn't released yesterday. |
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| 14:19.29 | stouset | karsten: crap. I am always the *last* person to hear about this shit. |
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| 14:19.47 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 14:20.07 | maxxle | What is the first available serial port? /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1? |
| 14:20.17 | karsten | stouset: It also wasn't release March 4. |
| 14:20.22 | karsten | maxxle: 0 |
| 14:20.28 | maxxle | karsten: ok |
| 14:20.30 | stouset | karsten: Now that's a shock :-( |
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| 14:20.38 | solemnwarning | im planning on buying a copy of debian but the shop dosnt have debian 3.1 |
| 14:20.58 | solemnwarning | the only version they have is 3.0r4 |
| 14:21.01 | stew | solemnwarning: 3.1 hasn't been released yet |
| 14:21.11 | greycat | karsten: draw it. post it. |
| 14:21.13 | solemnwarning | but im running 3.1 on my lan server :S |
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| 14:21.18 | stouset | solemnwarning: Ew, 3.0r4? I don't remember a Windows with that version... |
| 14:21.33 | asg | stouset: 3.0r5 was released on the 16th |
| 14:21.33 | stew | stouset: wtf are you talking about? |
| 14:21.33 | greycat | !d-i solemnwarning |
| 14:21.34 | dpkg | solemnwarning, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:21.38 | stouset | solemnwarning: let me recommend XP |
| 14:21.46 | stew | !troll stouset |
| 14:21.50 | stouset | :-) |
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| 14:21.58 | geertian | can somebody help with my "VIA 8235" sound card using alsa?? |
| 14:22.06 | stouset | geertian: what's the problem? |
| 14:22.19 | solemnwarning | is 3.0r4 the same as 3.1 roughly? |
| 14:22.23 | greycat | no. |
| 14:22.24 | stew | solemnwarning: no |
| 14:22.26 | asg | solemnwarning: not by a long shot |
| 14:22.27 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 14:22.28 | greycat | not even Close. |
| 14:22.31 | stew | solemnwarning: 3.0 is woody, 3.1 is sarge |
| 14:22.36 | caphuso | geertian: snd-via82xx, assuming you're using alsa |
| 14:22.43 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 14:22.49 | stouset | solemnwarning: 3.0r4 is still the same Woody packages with some security updates and bugfixes |
| 14:22.52 | greycat | stew> solemnwarning: 3.0 is woody, 3.1 is sarge |
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| 14:23.04 | geertian | no sound!! ok, I've got alsamixer running without a problem but nothing |
| 14:23.04 | Virtual | Virtual:~# /usr/sbin/apache start |
| 14:23.04 | Virtual | Syntax error on line 8 of /etc/apache/modules.conf: |
| 14:23.04 | Virtual | Cannot add module via name 'mod_php4.c': not in list of loaded modules |
| 14:23.10 | Virtual | what can I do to fix this? |
| 14:23.11 | citral | solemnwarning: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 14:23.13 | geertian | using snd-via82xx |
| 14:23.17 | asg | Virtual: apt-get install php4 |
| 14:23.34 | Virtual | php4 is already the newest version. |
| 14:23.35 | solemnwarning | does any1 know any sites in the uk with 3.1? |
| 14:23.44 | asg | Virtual: what debian? |
| 14:23.48 | Virtual | Sarge |
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| 14:23.53 | stew | solemnwarning: www.uk.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:24.09 | stouset | Virtual: Apache 2? |
| 14:24.12 | asg | Virtual: paste line 8 |
| 14:24.17 | stouset | Virtual: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 14:24.40 | solemnwarning | i already burned a cd |
| 14:24.52 | dippo | is there any reason not to use the default "backup" user in debian for other backup-related purposes |
| 14:24.54 | NeoBREED | abrotman: the file is read only, I'm having trouble writing to it |
| 14:24.55 | stouset | Oh hell. |
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| 14:24.59 | Virtual | apache 1.3.33 |
| 14:24.59 | dippo | if only for the fact that it's named backup |
| 14:25.01 | solemnwarning | but i want to get a cd with all the stuff like cheep linux has |
| 14:25.04 | Virtual | should I get apache 2? |
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| 14:25.11 | stouset | Apache2's PHP4 implementation isn't thread safe :-( |
| 14:25.15 | caphuso | no, it's not |
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| 14:25.19 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I tried the :w command... and :! but it's weird... |
| 14:25.23 | asg | stouset: you can use the mpm-prefork model |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | NeoBREED: are you root? |
| 14:25.39 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I am |
| 14:25.40 | grendal_prime | but what exactly does that mean caphuso |
| 14:25.41 | stouset | asg: evidently not |
| 14:25.44 | caphuso | grendal_prime: ignore it |
| 14:25.57 | abrotman | NeoBREED: :w! |
| 14:26.08 | stouset | asg: "This package provides the PHP4 module for the Apache 2.0 webserver (as found in the apache2-mpm-prefork package). Please note that this package ONLY works with Apache's prefork MPM, as it is not compiled thread-safe." |
| 14:26.19 | budluva | ok, so im currently running fedora core 3 rrright now, just finished downloading the debian dvd, what are the chances of me being able to keep my /home when i install debian? |
| 14:26.28 | asg | stouset: right, that's what I said |
| 14:26.34 | stouset | budluva: Is /home a separate partition? |
| 14:26.37 | directhex|work | budluva, where is you $home, and what debian dvd? |
| 14:26.42 | citral | budluva: if it's on a separate partition, all the chances |
| 14:26.46 | stouset | asg: *blink* It explicitly says it's not thread-safe, does it not? |
| 14:26.51 | grendal_prime | furrywolf, |
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| 14:27.02 | asg | stouset: yes, that's why I said it has to use the prefork model |
| 14:27.04 | stouset | budluva: If it's not on a separate partition, your chances are high |
| 14:27.14 | stouset | asg: aaaaah, the prefork mpm provides thread-safing? |
| 14:27.34 | asg | stouset: no, it just provides what apache 1.3 provides obviating the need for thread safety |
| 14:27.34 | stouset | asg: *thwacks self* never mind |
| 14:27.38 | asg | stouset: ;) |
| 14:27.43 | NeoBREED | abrotman: is it okay if the line is not right under the old content? cause I'm writing to the place where the command line is |
| 14:27.54 | asg | Virtual: did you install libapache-mod-php4 yet? |
| 14:27.54 | stouset | asg: Yeah :-) It just launches bunches of daemons rather than threads. I assume there's a performance impact? |
| 14:27.56 | Mwnci | asg, sorry about that I had to reset my AP. what was that about wpa? |
| 14:28.04 | budluva | hdc1 = / hdc2 = /var hdc5 = /home |
| 14:28.16 | abrotman | NeoBREED: say what? .. |
| 14:28.22 | asg | stouset: it is probably as performant as apache 1.3, though I haven't benched it. |
| 14:28.31 | citral | budluva: so just be careful with the installer, choose to custom patition and it's all good |
| 14:28.31 | asg | Mwnci: check into the wpasupplicant package. |
| 14:28.33 | stouset | asg: Fair enough. Thanks. |
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| 14:28.46 | budluva | cool |
| 14:28.49 | karsten | budluva: You can keep /home. |
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| 14:29.16 | karsten | budluva: If it's *not* a seperate partition, tar it up, then recreate it. |
| 14:29.28 | citral | he just said it is |
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| 14:29.45 | citral | but he could do it just in case |
| 14:29.52 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I see, I can't use [enter] like i use it with other editors.... so I used space to move down the next line |
| 14:29.56 | stouset | budluva: Why the switch? |
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| 14:30.11 | geertian | why can't I change the mix volume using alsamixer??? |
| 14:30.17 | greycat | ask #alsa |
| 14:30.28 | karsten | budluva: You'll also want to copy your _user_ accounts (not system accounts) from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, so that account #s add up. Otherwise, just chwon the user trees when you restore/remount it. |
| 14:30.30 | budluva | well the only reason why i installed fc3 is because there was a dvd copy |
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| 14:30.44 | budluva | now i found the debian dvd, so im going back to deb |
| 14:30.51 | stouset | budluva: that works |
| 14:31.02 | directhex|work | budluva, this isn't woody i hope? |
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| 14:31.21 | abrotman | NeoBREED: i odn't think that will work |
| 14:31.23 | budluva | yeah, only dvd available wass woody |
| 14:31.30 | budluva | no biggy |
| 14:31.34 | citral | hrm |
| 14:31.36 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I did it |
| 14:31.39 | NeoBREED | abrotman |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | did what? |
| 14:31.52 | directhex|work | budluva, erm... good luck runnign woody on any hardware made since early 2001 |
| 14:32.00 | budluva | ? |
| 14:32.08 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 14:32.08 | dpkg | from memory, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 14:32.11 | citral | budluva: woody is old, very old |
| 14:32.14 | budluva | i used to have a woody netinst cd that worked fine on this machine |
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| 14:32.17 | NeoBREED | abrotman: where do I do mkdir /mnt/usb? |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | anywhere you want |
| 14:32.32 | greycat | citral: hardly that. |
| 14:32.33 | abrotman | as long as you type it like that |
| 14:32.34 | budluva | only thing new on this is the 200g seagate hdd |
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| 14:32.46 | greycat | budluva: then you'll need 2.4.21 or higher. |
| 14:33.05 | budluva | well there is no other debian dvd |
| 14:33.14 | budluva | and i have 0 cdrs :P |
| 14:33.26 | citral | budluva: do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 14:33.27 | greycat | go fucking BUY SOME. |
| 14:33.28 | greycat | my god. |
| 14:33.31 | budluva | yeah |
| 14:33.38 | greycat | or do a floppy install. |
| 14:33.42 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it saids can't find /nt/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 14:33.46 | citral | budluva: ... so you don't NEED a dvd |
| 14:33.46 | NeoBREED | :( |
| 14:33.49 | NeoBREED | darn it |
| 14:33.50 | greycat | oh wait, you're going to tell us you don't have floppies either, now, right? |
| 14:33.52 | budluva | im not goin to go buy a pack of cdrs that i'll use 4 cds out of it and have it sitt there and rot :P |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | NeoBREED: read what you just typed |
| 14:34.08 | Rydekull | budluva: buy one and use one then? |
| 14:34.10 | NeoBREED | mnt |
| 14:34.14 | greycat | buy a CD-RW then |
| 14:34.17 | Rydekull | or that |
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| 14:34.23 | abrotman | NeoBREED: then sounds like somehting is wrong with fstab |
| 14:34.27 | greycat | or buy 3 floppies and use those. |
| 14:34.37 | budluva | so your all saying that woody dvd will not work for me at all? but my old woody netinst cd used to work fine? |
| 14:34.44 | Rydekull | greycat: wouldnt two suffice? heck one suffice if you have another computer :D |
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| 14:35.00 | greycat | Rydekull: yeah, I've done it with one floppy in rotation :) |
| 14:35.00 | budluva | once i install woody cant i dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 14:35.04 | _linuxAS_ | hi |
| 14:35.13 | citral | budluva: yes. |
| 14:35.18 | Rydekull | greycat: yeah, installed my old 486 laptop with 1 disk in rotation :D |
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| 14:35.25 | greycat | budluva: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 14:35.27 | budluva | so whats wrong with woody dvd then? |
| 14:35.31 | Rydekull | greycat: it took a while, but I made it, couldnt connect it to the net either :P |
| 14:35.32 | greycat | budluva: don't use apt-get for it. |
| 14:35.49 | solemnwarning | if i get woody 3.0r4 will it be the same to configure and setup as sarge basicly? |
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| 14:36.19 | caphuso | on a very basic level all linux distributions are the same to configure and setup... |
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| 14:36.36 | citral | solemnwarning: basically it's the same |
| 14:36.40 | solemnwarning | k |
| 14:36.56 | NeoBREED | abrotman: where do I go from here? |
| 14:36.58 | peanutpeanut | Hello. Does anyone here a script to block automated attacks on ssh servers? |
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| 14:37.15 | directhex|work | solemnwarning, very different to install, harder to configure & set up. |
| 14:37.20 | greycat | it's the same except that woody gives you LILO and leaves your kernel and its modules just lying around scattered in the file system without being in a package. sarge gives you GRUB and the kernel-image is packaged so it can be updated/deleted normally. |
| 14:37.34 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 14:37.35 | abrotman | NeoBREED: fix your fstab |
| 14:37.40 | LSorensen | peanutpeanut: how does one detect an automated attack on ssh? |
| 14:37.47 | petemc | peanutpeanut: a debian developer posted something on planet.debian.net about doing that with iptables, cant remember who or when tho |
| 14:37.48 | greycat | woody is also a more "newbie hostile" installer, expecting you to read things (GASP!!) |
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| 14:38.00 | solemnwarning | i guess i should wait untill cheeplinux gets hold of sarge3.1 |
| 14:38.03 | peanutpeanut | petemc, thanks |
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| 14:38.04 | FarrisG | I have a really dumb question: Is there any debian-packaged calendar server that is compatible with M$ Outlook's calendaring features? |
| 14:38.21 | Rydekull | greycat: I miss the time when I didnt have to bring up the menu to select lilo as bootloader :( |
| 14:38.29 | peanutpeanut | LSorensen, large number of failed logins from same ip using different non-existant usernames |
| 14:38.36 | stew | solemnwarning: didn't you say you already burned a d-i cd? do you have a slow internet connection? |
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| 14:38.45 | syntaxis | peanutpeanut: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17/ |
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| 14:39.06 | LSorensen | peanutpeanut: some kind of log checker? |
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| 14:39.09 | NeoBREED | abrotman: freak it... I'm gonna try xemacs.. vi seems to be a bit advance for me right now |
| 14:39.16 | citral | peanutpeanut: just put the ip in /etc/hosts.deny d'oh |
| 14:39.17 | LSorensen | NeoBREED: no, vim! |
| 14:39.18 | peanutpeanut | LSorensen, yes |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | NeoBREED: ok |
| 14:39.25 | peanutpeanut | syntaxis, thanks just looking |
| 14:39.35 | petemc | syntaxis: did you have that bookmarked or is your google fu strong? |
| 14:39.36 | Mwnci | asg, I installed wpasupplicant via apt but bash doesnt regonise it so i cant man it. any ideas why? |
| 14:39.41 | greycat | NeoBREED: "nano -w" is fine for many newbies |
| 14:39.55 | asg | Mwnci: dpkg -L wpasupplicant ; /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
| 14:40.01 | greycat | if -w were the default, I'd have no qualms about recommending nano more widely |
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| 14:40.02 | NeoBREED | I've used emacs before.... it seems easier |
| 14:40.04 | syntaxis | petemc: I remembered that Andrew Pollock was the bloke that wrote it, so Google found it no problem :-) |
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| 14:40.11 | petemc | syntaxis: nice one :) |
| 14:40.32 | NeoBREED | abrotman: when you said fix my fstab, you did me edit it, right? |
| 14:40.46 | peanutpeanut | citral, I have lots of different ips. I'd like to use a script to automate it. |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:41.02 | peanutpeanut | citral, I have lots of different ips >scanning me< |
| 14:41.05 | peanutpeanut | heh |
| 14:41.08 | citral | peanutpeanut: ok, the url that syntaxis gave seems fine :) |
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| 14:42.20 | Mwnci | asg, it had an error. is a directory |
| 14:42.24 | citral | peanutpeanut: if you can do that, the best way would be to accept only from trusted ips and reject the rest... |
| 14:42.34 | geertian | howto install a experimental package on a testing release? |
| 14:42.35 | asg | Mwnci: what had an error? |
| 14:42.36 | citral | not that ips can be really trusted but... |
| 14:42.44 | Virtual | Any idea why WINE give me the error message : "Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x003c002f at address 0x401c8fa7. Do you wish to debug it ?" when I try to open an app that worked before my last linux reinstall ? |
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| 14:42.50 | Althaser | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority, can someone help me ? please |
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| 14:43.05 | Mwnci | asg, that command you gave me |
| 14:43.08 | eaumechant | Hey |
| 14:43.14 | eaumechant | I'm thinking of switching from Mandrake to Debian |
| 14:43.20 | citral | you win |
| 14:43.20 | petemc | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 14:43.22 | Mwnci | asg, dpkg bash threw an error |
| 14:43.22 | petemc | gah |
| 14:43.24 | asg | Mwnci: dpkg -L wpasupplicant? |
| 14:43.30 | petemc | geertian: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 14:43.35 | gypsymauro | petemc: ? |
| 14:43.44 | petemc | gypsymauro: tab completion gone wrong |
| 14:43.53 | geertian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.53 | petemc | if you couldnt see that already.. |
| 14:44.12 | NeoBREED | abrotman: OKAY it works |
| 14:44.14 | gypsymauro | :) |
| 14:44.16 | Mwnci | asg, that worked but it still wont let me man it |
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| 14:44.26 | NeoBREED | thanks to whoever suggested nano -w |
| 14:44.27 | s-toned | hp will support ubuntu for their notebook models nx6110 nc6120 nc6220nc6230 nc6000 shortly (interesting, though not debian) |
| 14:44.28 | bwbettin | anyone familiar with getting 256 color support working in Xterm for Sarge? |
| 14:44.38 | abrotman | NeoBREED: good |
| 14:44.49 | asg | Mwnci: it might not have a manpage, dpkg -L <foo> lists what the package installed. /usr/share/docs/<pkg> is always a good start on where to find documentation |
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| 14:45.13 | asg | Mwnci: also, dpkg -L <foo> | grep man |
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| 14:45.28 | petemc | s-toned: hp made a big song and dance about supporting debian, when i approached them for support, i got messed about for 6 months and eventually just got phil hands to give me a support contract |
| 14:45.28 | geertian | petemc:what should I do then... stop enjoying music/movies ?? |
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| 14:45.50 | petemc | geertian: i dont see how the two are related |
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| 14:45.58 | NeoBREED | abrotman: that's a major step. thanks. Now, about the sound... I've tried a lot of things... but I think I don't have a clue where to go... that's the problem.... should I check in modconf for the sound driver? |
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| 14:46.07 | abrotman | NeoBREED: you can |
| 14:46.34 | eaumechant | Mandrake is really good for networking - it's very easy to set up network connections, internet connections, etc. in Mandrake |
| 14:46.44 | eaumechant | I'm worried that if I switch to Debian, I'll lose that |
| 14:46.48 | petemc | eaumechant: its trivial in debian too |
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| 14:47.22 | eaumechant | lol |
| 14:47.22 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it seems that user don't have permission to access the usb |
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| 14:47.32 | eaumechant | ok so what are the disadvantages of Debian? |
| 14:47.40 | NeoBREED | do I use chmod? |
| 14:47.43 | petemc | eaumechant: long release cycle |
| 14:47.52 | eaumechant | and what of the 8 images should I download? |
| 14:47.56 | abrotman | NeoBREED: man fstab;man mount |
| 14:47.58 | eaumechant | on the 'net there are 8 CD images to download |
| 14:47.59 | petemc | tho thats not a disadvantage to everyone |
| 14:48.04 | eaumechant | which of them should I download? |
| 14:48.08 | geertian | petemc:It's not supported/recomended to install experimental packages... #alsa told me to install this experimental package if I want to solve my sound problem... |
| 14:48.09 | eaumechant | or, should I pay money? |
| 14:48.14 | stew | eaumechant: you only need the first or a netinst. |
| 14:48.23 | eaumechant | k |
| 14:48.24 | stew | eaumechant: is this for a server or workstation? |
| 14:48.28 | eaumechant | both |
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| 14:48.45 | syntaxis | eaumechant: at this point, you might want to install Sarge as opposed to Woody |
| 14:49.15 | petemc | geertian: ok, well all you need to do is add a source for experimental, but a the factoid says, if you cant find that out for yourself, you're unlikely to be able to fix any problems that may arise from using experimental |
| 14:49.26 | petemc | and there almost certainly will be problems |
| 14:50.07 | peanutpeanut | syntaxis, thanks! |
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| 14:51.17 | seldon | Depends. If you use just a package or two, you may be lucky. I wouldn't upgrade my whole system to experimental, though |
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| 14:51.32 | caphuso | experimental doesn't contain a whole system |
| 14:51.57 | solemnwarning | any idea when shops will sell sarge? |
| 14:51.59 | petemc | caphuso: you can upgrade against experimental |
| 14:52.19 | caphuso | petemc: yeah, but most of your system will stay sid |
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| 14:52.32 | seldon | sid/experimental, then |
| 14:52.35 | seldon | You know what I mean |
| 14:52.37 | neight | Hey guys, i've got a copy of debian 3.0 r1 on cd.. i know its fairly outdated now is it possible if i installed the base system to upgrade it fully to the latest stable version using apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:52.40 | slushpupie | experimental is like an addon to sid |
| 14:52.41 | johnJ | hi |
| 14:52.47 | caphuso | neight: sure |
| 14:52.51 | syntaxis | solemnwarning: some already are |
| 14:53.01 | solemnwarning | url? |
| 14:53.06 | solemnwarning | are they uk? |
| 14:53.14 | directhex|work | neight, yes. r5 is r1 with security updates. same versions of apps etc |
| 14:53.17 | neight | caphuso sweet |
| 14:53.17 | neight | been awhile since i used debian |
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| 14:53.26 | neight | prefer it overall |
| 14:53.27 | syntaxis | solemnwarning: e.g. http://www.uselinux.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=71 |
| 14:53.34 | neight | caphuso what is the laes stable release now? |
| 14:53.35 | NeoBREED | abrotman: thanks. |
| 14:53.39 | johnJ | i'm new with linux which version of debian is best? home pc. |
| 14:53.46 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I got the USB thing done |
| 14:53.51 | abrotman | NeoBREED: yay |
| 14:53.51 | greycat | johnJ: sarge. |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | NeoBREED: still no sound? |
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| 14:53.58 | NeoBREED | phew |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | NeoBREED: try alsa maybe |
| 14:54.06 | johnJ | i have heard that it is very un stable |
| 14:54.07 | stew | solemnwarning: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 14:54.16 | asg | johnJ: sarge (/msg dpkg di-i) |
| 14:54.23 | NeoBREED | abrotman: that's what I've been trying |
| 14:54.31 | johnJ | thanks very much :D |
| 14:54.35 | asg | grrr |
| 14:54.41 | syntaxis | johnJ: no, that's Unstable/Sid. *Sarge's* problem is that it still doesn't get timely security updates |
| 14:54.41 | asg | johnJ: /msg dpkg d-i (rather) |
| 14:54.54 | johnJ | okay thanks a lot :DD |
| 14:55.08 | neight | is debian 3.0 r5 latest stable |
| 14:55.10 | neight | ? |
| 14:55.15 | s-toned | is it possible to select text in xterm with the keyboard? (inserting is with shift+insert) |
| 14:55.15 | syntaxis | neight: yes |
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| 14:55.22 | greycat | neight: if you follow stable, /msg dpkg security |
| 14:55.27 | neight | thanks |
| 14:55.30 | petemc | s-toned: screen can do that |
| 14:55.42 | greycat | 3.0r* is irrelevant because you should be getting security updates as they come out |
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| 14:56.41 | cyphedude | quick question: ne1 know how many packages are maintained in Debian? |
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| 14:56.48 | stew | !dstats |
| 14:56.49 | NeoBREED | abrotman: btw, I installed xemacs21 ... now I want to uninstall it... is there a way to do it with apt-get remove and remove the whole bunch of crap that came with xemacs? |
| 14:56.52 | petemc | cyphedude: apt-cache stats |
| 14:56.58 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16720 packages, 1504 maintainers, 33421 MB installed size, 10763 MB compressed size. |
| 14:57.00 | greycat | no, ne1 doesn't know. |
| 14:57.15 | stew | cyphedude: ^^^ |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | NeoBREED: there is .. but you have to use it before hand i think |
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| 14:57.41 | TU | can you use Apache2 with SSL? |
| 14:57.44 | NeoBREED | ? |
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| 14:57.54 | TU | there dosn't seem to be an apache 2 ssl module |
| 14:58.01 | cyphedude | petemc - thanks! |
| 14:58.03 | asg | TU: it comes with apache2 |
| 14:58.14 | TU | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:58.15 | TU | Thank you. |
| 14:58.19 | tilix | does somebody know if the scripts for packages.debian.org are open sourced? |
| 14:58.21 | TU | mod_perl come with it too? |
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| 14:58.32 | asg | TU: apt-cache search apache2 mod perl |
| 14:58.34 | petemc | cyphedude: man apt-cache , it can do other useful things too |
| 14:58.45 | TU | ii didn't know you could do that. |
| 14:59.25 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I will try aptitude |
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| 14:59.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:59.36 | TU | aptitude scares me. |
| 14:59.45 | TU | it is too complicated it is easier to use command line. |
| 15:00.25 | TU | granted i like vi so what do i know. |
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| 15:01.02 | syntaxis | TU: aptitude has both a command line interface and a text console GUI |
| 15:01.21 | TU | is it as simple as apt? |
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| 15:01.38 | karsten | !tell TU about aptitude |
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| 15:01.44 | karsten | TU: Read the mailing list post. |
| 15:01.58 | TU | okie. |
| 15:02.04 | _Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:02.06 | NeoBREED | aptitude is a friendly kind of thing... in fact... I'm using it now :) |
| 15:02.25 | syntaxis | TU: there are various differences (e.g. aptitude installs "recommended" packages by default whilst apt-get does not) but basically yes |
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| 15:02.33 | TU | ahh the horror |
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| 15:02.38 | TU | i don't want more packages on my system |
| 15:02.39 | TU | i want less :P |
| 15:03.10 | TU | !! |
| 15:03.10 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:03.23 | TU | how can you delete unused packages with aptitude? |
| 15:03.29 | TU | it says it can but not how. |
| 15:03.36 | syntaxis | TU: the behaviour is configurable, but basically most people will want "recommended" packages - they shouldn't *be* recommended if the maintainer didn't consider them to signifantly enhance the users' experience |
| 15:03.48 | syntaxis | s/signifantly/significantly |
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| 15:04.11 | s-toned | petemc: I tried screen xterm, and read man screen, but didn't find anything about text-selection (only selecting diffrerent screen-windows) |
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| 15:04.37 | TU | and aptitude looks like crap in SecureCRT hehe |
| 15:04.50 | syntaxis | TU: by default, aptitude removes unused packages automatically whenever it is invoked |
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| 15:05.37 | Virtual | Any idea why WINE give me the error message : "Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x003c002f at address 0x401c8fa7. Do you wish to debug it ?" when I try to open an app that worked before my last linux reinstall ? |
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| 15:06.24 | karsten | TU: Then remove them ;-) |
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| 15:06.28 | karsten | TU: aptitude remove <foo> |
| 15:06.33 | syntaxis | Virtual: unless it's the exact same version, looks like you've found a regression |
| 15:06.43 | petemc | s-toned: ^a[ to start copying , select text, ^a] to paste |
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| 15:07.33 | TU | hrm. |
| 15:07.40 | NeoBREED | abrotman: It seems the modconf sees the cardcs4281 but it wouldn't install the module |
| 15:07.53 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it seems like I need to enter in some parameter |
| 15:07.56 | abrotman | NeoBREED: i think that's the wrong module |
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| 15:08.02 | NeoBREED | okay |
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| 15:08.07 | abrotman | NeoBREED: lspci .. what kind of sound card od you have? |
| 15:08.15 | laxdragon | how do you use dpkg to get just the list of installed packages? I want to pipe that list to a text file, then use that list on a new machine to install the exact same list of packages. dpkg -l gives me extra cols I don't need, and worse yet, truncates the package name column when it is too long. |
| 15:08.30 | petemc | laxdragon: --get-selections - man dpkg |
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| 15:08.51 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I don't see it |
| 15:09.00 | karsten | TU: You can also use deborphan to track what libs aren't in use. If you use aptitude exclusively, they'll be removed when the packages requiring them are removed. |
| 15:09.03 | abrotman | NeoBREED: is it an isa sound card? |
| 15:09.34 | TU | nifty |
| 15:09.46 | TU | does aptitude just piggy back apt |
| 15:09.49 | NeoBREED | abrotman: Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01) |
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| 15:09.50 | TU | or isi it entirely new |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | NeoBREED: no |
| 15:09.59 | NeoBREED | abrotman: that line has isa |
| 15:10.01 | NeoBREED | that's it |
| 15:10.05 | abrotman | that's not your card |
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| 15:10.37 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I don't see anything that has soundcard related |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | NeoBREED: hrm .. it could be isa |
| 15:10.54 | Virtual | where can I find a source list to add to sources.list ... I need sources from romania |
| 15:10.56 | NeoBREED | especially nothing that says cs4 something |
| 15:11.09 | NeoBREED | abrotman: what direction should I take now? |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | NeoBREED: ISAPnP |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | ewww |
| 15:11.26 | ecivo | Hey guys, can anyone tell me if the ddns3-client works with an dnydns.org account? |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | NeoBREED: /j #flood |
| 15:11.33 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it's a thinkpad 600.. that's what I've been reading about |
| 15:12.00 | POVaddct | NeoBREED: lspci -n | grep 0401 |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | NeoBREED: it says you ahve PCI sound |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | NeoBREED: lsmod .. see anyhting sound related ? |
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| 15:13.25 | NeoBREED | smc? |
| 15:13.38 | humbolt | what do I have to change in my apt configs when sarge becomes stable? |
| 15:13.49 | asg | humbolt: s/testing/sarge/ |
| 15:13.51 | ecivo | Virtual, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:13.57 | asg | humbolt: you can do it now with no ill effects if you wish. |
| 15:14.02 | NeoBREED | abrotman: nothing that jumps at me |
| 15:14.05 | ecivo | has an romania antry ;) |
| 15:14.06 | humbolt | can I change all testing to sarge already? |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | humbolt: yes |
| 15:14.12 | asg | humbolt: yes |
| 15:14.18 | petemc | add a g to what asg said |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | NeoBREED: you see no like snd_blah ? |
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| 15:14.43 | ecivo | Hey guys, can anyone tell me if the ddns3-client works with an dnydns.org account? |
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| 15:14.52 | NeoBREED | abrotman: no. the only thing with an s is smc91c92_cs but I don't think thats anything |
| 15:14.59 | asg | ecivo: why don't you try it and see |
| 15:15.04 | humbolt | even here? Pin: release a=testing |
| 15:15.37 | ecivo | asg, because maybe you could tell me that it doesn't and I could save time... |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | NeoBREED: it could be isa .. install discover .. run alsaconf |
| 15:16.03 | NeoBREED | discover |
| 15:16.09 | asg | ecivo: you could have already tried it in the time you've been in here. |
| 15:16.14 | NeoBREED | abrotman: is discover a package? |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | libdiscover iirc |
| 15:16.32 | EdibleText | ecivo, ddclient werks with dyndns.org |
| 15:16.35 | TU | should obsolete packages be removed? |
| 15:16.55 | asg | ecivo: according to 'apt-cache show ddns3-client' it should work. |
| 15:17.06 | NeoBREED | abrotman: okay got it doing it now |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | NeoBREED: you might want to reboot .. and make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 15:17.34 | ecivo | Thank you very much :) |
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| 15:18.04 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I can reboot... but I don't know how to make sure if user is in audio group |
| 15:18.06 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a way to set up two monitors on the same machine? |
| 15:18.19 | EdibleText | !idea |
| 15:18.20 | dpkg | idea is, like, meaning you don't know. |
| 15:18.23 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: certianly. it's been done before. |
| 15:18.29 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I need to apt-get install alsa as well, right? |
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| 15:18.51 | grendal_prime | i mean x2x is cool but i would love to be able to move a running x application to the other machine...or at least have it display the results of it on the second machine |
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| 15:19.21 | abrotman | NeoBREED: and alsaconf |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | !tell NeoBREED about audio\ |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | !tell NeoBREED about audio |
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| 15:19.59 | grendal_prime | im certain it has been done as well |
| 15:20.13 | Supaplex | then why do you need an idea if so? |
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| 15:21.27 | grendal_prime | Supaplex ? |
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| 15:21.47 | tilix | does somebody know if the scripts for packages.debian.org are open sourced? |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | tilix: which scripts |
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| 15:22.19 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: are you looking for a survey if it's possible, or are you looking for info on how to do it? |
| 15:22.19 | sgeigerbot | What would be the grep/egrep incantation for searching all directories that have names starting with a "." ? egrep "vpn" -i -r \.* <-- does not work |
| 15:22.42 | sgeigerbot | hmmm...maybe I spoke too soon. |
| 15:23.08 | maxxle | Is there something like minicom in the debian-reps? |
| 15:23.11 | NeoBREED | abrotman: everything is all set... I will be right back. rebooting |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | maxxle: apt-cache search minicom ? |
| 15:23.40 | maxxle | I don't want minicom - I wanna try another software |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:23.49 | abrotman | kermit ? |
| 15:23.52 | sgeigerbot | No. That isn't working. It is searching the current directory...so it is searching much more than it needs to search. |
| 15:24.56 | maxxle | abrotman: will try it. |
| 15:25.06 | abrotman | erm .. that was a guess |
| 15:25.06 | tilix | abrotman: that are used to show the packages. |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | tilix: used to show? |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | tilix: like which command ? |
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| 15:26.06 | tilix | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl |
| 15:26.11 | tilix | like these |
| 15:26.12 | abrotman | oh .. tohse |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | tilix: you want those scripts exactly ? .. or jsut a way to do that ? |
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| 15:27.04 | abrotman | tilix: afaik .. you'd have to email the webmaster for those scripts |
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| 15:27.13 | tilix | ok. thanks |
| 15:27.36 | grendal_prime | supaplex...well what i was wondering...here is the hardware situation...i have this extra machine just sitting here...sure it runs a few minor tasks on rare occation...but i would love to be able to use the monitor to display the results of...like network monitoring software that i am running from my laptop..so basically i want something similar to x2x but..i want it to display the running app from the laptop..sort of exporting |
| 15:27.37 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.37 | NeoBREED | abrotman: rebooted. now do I run alsaconf? |
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| 15:27.44 | jpeg | anyone else get spammed from yEsiL? |
| 15:27.47 | abrotman | yeah |
| 15:27.50 | TU | where is aptitudes config file? |
| 15:27.59 | abrotman | jpeg: on join? |
| 15:28.04 | jpeg | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:28.18 | abrotman | !ops yEsiL spambot |
| 15:28.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yEsiL spambot |
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| 15:28.40 | LoRez | klined |
| 15:28.43 | Glanzmann | Hello. |
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| 15:29.01 | Glanzmann | Where can I get the pubkey which is used to sign the RELEASE files on the mirrors and stuff? |
| 15:29.01 | jpeg | anyway, is there a way to tell which package a file came from with apt-cache? |
| 15:29.11 | NeoBREED | abrotman: nothing is found |
| 15:29.14 | Glanzmann | jpeg: apt-cache policy package |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | caphuso: thanks |
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| 15:29.31 | abrotman | NeoBREED: nothing at all? |
| 15:29.32 | grendal_prime | Supaplex, so i could litterally drag a window in the windowmanager to the other machine...that sounds crazy at first but i mean why the couldnt ya just eport the apps to a different x screen on another machine? |
| 15:29.41 | abrotman | NeoBREED: all i can think is that it is an ISA card |
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| 15:29.50 | NeoBREED | I think it is |
| 15:29.52 | PerfDave | jpeg: dpkg -S filename |
| 15:30.04 | NeoBREED | no module by that name found... were all the repsonses |
| 15:30.05 | samdret | i'm installing an pci ide-controller and i'm wondering if drivers that'll work with red hat will work with debian? |
| 15:30.11 | PerfDave | Glanzmann: You need to get it from somewhere you can trust. |
| 15:30.21 | s-toned | petemc: ^a[ and ^a] in the screen window say 'copy mode' and 'empty buffer', but, how do I select text with the keyboard? |
| 15:30.25 | grendal_prime | or...is there a way to fire up an app on my laptop and export its progress to a second machines xdesktop? |
| 15:30.26 | Glanzmann | PerfDave: Okay I trust you. Give me the key. :-) |
| 15:30.35 | petemc | s-toned: space bar |
| 15:30.37 | Glanzmann | Could you give me the damn keyid? |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | NeoBREED: uname -r |
| 15:31.04 | Glanzmann | Got it thanks. |
| 15:31.07 | NeoBREED | abrotman: all snd-XXX: are responded with no modules by that name found |
| 15:31.09 | LoRez | Glanzmann: looking at the signature should give you the keyid, at which time you should be able to download it from a keyserver |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | NeoBREED: uname -r |
| 15:31.18 | jpeg | PerfDave, Glanzmann, thanks. |
| 15:31.23 | NeoBREED | 2.4 |
| 15:31.31 | NeoBREED | 2.4.27 kernel |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | NeoBREED: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 15:31.53 | NeoBREED | upgrading to new kernel? |
| 15:31.55 | NeoBREED | okay |
| 15:32.45 | NeoBREED | abrotman: kernel-image-2.6 has no installation candidate |
| 15:32.54 | gpm | NeoBREED: use apt-cache search |
| 15:32.58 | TU | where is aptitudes config file? |
| 15:32.58 | NeoBREED | okay |
| 15:32.59 | abrotman | NeoBREED: apt-setup .. pick an http source |
| 15:32.59 | gpm | NeoBREED: it is your friend |
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| 15:34.02 | Glanzmann | LoRez: I got it. |
| 15:34.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 15:34.07 | gpm | TU: $HOME/.aptitude |
| 15:34.24 | asg | go go gadget caphuso |
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| 15:34.34 | gpm | TU: $HOME/aptitude/config, more precisely |
| 15:34.39 | caphuso | damn, i missed a few :-/ |
| 15:35.10 | abrotman | caphuso: give me ops .. i'll get em!:) |
| 15:35.11 | deego | if debian releases a "2" or "3" advisory, where does it show up on its webpage? for example, the currently released 661-2 advisory: you don't find it anywhere at http://www.debian.org/security/2005/ |
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| 15:36.05 | abrotman | deego: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-661 |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | all the way at the bottom |
| 15:37.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: these will be fixed for testing too, in the future? |
| 15:37.39 | NeoBREED | abrotman: do I get the kernel-image-2.6-386? |
| 15:37.47 | deego | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | NeoBREED: what's your CPU ? |
| 15:37.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: huh .. ? |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: after they trickle in sarge i guess |
| 15:38.08 | NeoBREED | abrotman: PII |
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| 15:38.16 | abrotman | NeoBREED: 686 should be fine |
| 15:38.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah only temporarily to be able to release? |
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| 15:38.25 | NeoBREED | okay |
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| 15:38.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i guess .. nto sure .. that would be an RC bug to release with security issues i'm pretty sure |
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| 15:40.27 | pinks | anyone any ideas what I can do to make my sessions be saved and restored on reboot? |
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| 15:42.25 | rw | Does anyone know why when I set the date in my system either using date -s or ntpdate the xscreensaver is activated? |
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| 15:42.31 | NeoBREED | abrotman: okay I am done with the kernel download |
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| 15:43.01 | abrotman | NeoBREED: did it install ? |
| 15:43.05 | NeoBREED | yes |
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| 15:43.13 | NeoBREED | abrotman: thats wha tI meant sorry |
| 15:43.16 | sgeigerbot | rw: the screensaver probably looks for a period of activity in such a way that it gets triggered by your change of the time. |
| 15:43.49 | rw | sgeigerbot, hmmm, makes sense. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | NeoBREED: reboot? |
| 15:43.55 | s-toned | petemc: thanks |
| 15:44.06 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I will do it now. brb |
| 15:44.09 | ruied | can I export sound from windows (ex: winamp) to an esound server? |
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| 15:44.26 | nopcode | hey |
| 15:44.31 | rw | sgeigerbot, I think that won't bother me if I keep my date not very "late" |
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| 15:44.46 | nopcode | why the f*ck does cryptoloop from one version to the next suddenly not accept passwords < 20 chars in length?! |
| 15:45.38 | henry | how do you generate a Releases file using woody? apt-ftparchive doesn't support the "release" option, even though versions >=0.5 are supposed to |
| 15:46.18 | sgeigerbot | rw: why don't you reset the date automatically from cron? |
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| 15:46.38 | asg | henry: dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 15:47.05 | sml | yoyoyoyo everybody. :-) |
| 15:47.06 | rw | sgeigerbot, that's what I am going to do... |
| 15:47.10 | rw | sgeigerbot, thanks |
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| 15:47.18 | drac | ruied: maybe you should ask windoze people that. |
| 15:47.25 | NeoBREED | abrotman: okay, rebooted |
| 15:47.32 | abrotman | NeoBREED: uname 0r |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | err |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | NeoBREED: uname rr |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | god |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | NeoBREED: uname -r |
| 15:47.44 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 15:47.51 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 15:48.06 | NeoBREED | abrotman: 2.6.8-x |
| 15:48.14 | adexta | my fonts look like shit |
| 15:48.17 | adexta | how can i fix them? |
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| 15:48.23 | asg | adexta: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 15:48.26 | NeoBREED | abrotman: I'm running alsaconf again |
| 15:48.27 | abrotman | NeoBREED: no -x .. what is it ? |
| 15:48.43 | NeoBREED | abrotman: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:48.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:49.24 | sml | Hmmmm mocheeba are playing in my home town. wohooo. |
| 15:49.29 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it's probing ISA |
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| 15:49.36 | sml | s/mocheeba/morcheeba |
| 15:49.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:49.39 | abrotman | i think |
| 15:50.29 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it didn't find anything on the first try... now doing the legacy ISA thingie... I think it's gonna take a bit... since I chosed all combinaton possible....hm. maybe that wasn't a good idea |
| 15:50.41 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:50.49 | NeoBREED | abrotman: since a lot of peolpe are saying it's a crystal something sound card |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | NeoBREED: and you may wish to ask #alsa also |
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| 15:51.30 | arturaz | Hmmhesays, anyone made custom debian iptables package here? |
| 15:51.33 | NeoBREED | abrotman: it's probing cs cards... I'm hoping |
| 15:52.04 | NeoBREED | is kernel 2.6 "stably" released, btw? |
| 15:52.26 | NeoBREED | abrotman: found nothing. :( |
| 15:52.40 | drac | define "stably" ? |
| 15:52.48 | NeoBREED | is it official? |
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| 15:52.53 | NeoBREED | or still in testing? |
| 15:53.02 | drac | 2.6.11.7 is latest stable. |
| 15:53.13 | greycat | finger @kernel.org |
| 15:53.13 | NeoBREED | oh. I see |
| 15:53.20 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 15:53.21 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 15:53.40 | NeoBREED | I see |
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| 15:54.48 | NeoBREED | abrotman: yeah, it couldn't find anything.... there's no one chatting in #alsa |
| 15:54.52 | EdibleText | heh hurd.com 'hurd windows' |
| 15:55.07 | aliumalik | anyone tred patches from bootsplash.org? |
| 15:55.15 | aliumalik | *tried |
| 15:55.18 | pahvi | i'm still using 2.4 kernels. i don't know why i should use 2.6 kernels... |
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| 15:55.58 | LordFrith | So, I have a weird nfs issue. We have an nfserver, and from it we export /home. Now, most can see their /home just fine. One guy, however, cannot. His directory continunally complains of "stale NFS filehandle", and won't allow him to see any files opn it. On the actual server it is reachable. His direcory does not seem reachable from -any- machine that uses this nfserver, despite all other directories being reachable. Furthermore, we have rebo |
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| 15:57.35 | henry | asg: I'm having trouble figuring out how to get it to generate the Releases file. Can you point me at an FAQ or Wiki entry? |
| 15:57.51 | aliumalik | what is the default splash provided with the debian fficial package? |
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| 15:58.09 | NeoBREED | abrotman: someone noted that I should use isapnp |
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| 16:00.16 | asg | henry: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
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| 16:02.49 | EdibleText | NeoBREED, http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/03/msg00113.html |
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| 16:05.39 | henry | asg: thanks |
| 16:05.48 | abrotman | NeoBREED: isapnp sucks .. but it's worth a shot |
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| 16:06.50 | NeoBREED | abrotman: okay I tried everything... nothing seems to work.. I think I might have to do some manual stuff from tutorials |
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| 16:07.19 | EdibleText | NeoBREED, id you follow the url i posted? |
| 16:07.50 | EdibleText | NeoBREED, it may be what you want.. |
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| 16:08.36 | abrotman | !tell NeoBREED about isanpn |
| 16:08.39 | abrotman | !tell NeoBREED about isapnp |
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| 16:08.56 | Waggie | Hey folks.. |
| 16:09.05 | FarrisG | Anyone heard any success/horror stories about Kolab? |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | ask #kde maybe .. or isn't there a #kolab ? |
| 16:09.27 | Waggie | Am I smoking crack or did a crapload of updates just get pushed out yesterday? |
| 16:09.31 | asg | !hug synergy |
| 16:09.37 | abrotman | synergy2 ? |
| 16:09.49 | NeoBREED | I think the link I got from EdibleText is for Thinkpad600E I have Thinkpad600 .... I'm assuming they're different |
| 16:09.52 | Mwnci | asg, i turned the wpa off to try and get it to connect but I still cant get it to work. I have however got the lights on the card to light up. i used the command iwconfig wlan0 essia ByteNet channel 10 mode managed ap any key off |
| 16:09.55 | Waggie | And BTW, I just got sex-spammed by RHino |
| 16:09.59 | FarrisG | abrotman: I'm asking in #kolab, but there aren't any debian users in there. Wanted to know if there were any here. |
| 16:10.03 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 16:10.11 | asg | Mwnci: s/essia/essid/ |
| 16:10.40 | NeoBREED | abrotman: thanks for all your help man. have a good eatin' |
| 16:10.41 | Mwnci | asg, how ever now when i do ifup wlan0 it says ERROR while getting interface flags no such device |
| 16:10.58 | adexta | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 16:11.02 | adexta | how do i fix that? |
| 16:11.04 | asg | Mwnci: did you define a wlan0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:11.11 | EdibleText | NeoBREED, I follow the thread . the guy lists his pci and isa devices.. it uses a crystal sound hardwares for what its worth |
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| 16:11.13 | asg | adexta: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 16:11.36 | Mwnci | asg, im still learning. I bought the laptop off a friend and it was ment to be configured already |
| 16:11.40 | EdibleText | NeoBREED, IBM may have just put on an E for marketing. |
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| 16:11.45 | Mwnci | asg, just not for ap |
| 16:12.13 | resiak | abrotman: The project does call itself synergy. |
| 16:12.35 | agabus | could someone please tell me how to exit X so i can install my nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:13.14 | resiak | !tell agabus -about nvidia howto |
| 16:13.14 | greycat | agabus: exit normally. then ctrl-alt-f1, /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
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| 16:13.37 | WillR | is there such thing a s a daemon watcher.. something that will tell me by email or jsut restarting freeradius when it dies? |
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| 16:13.50 | agabus | resiak - i just wanna know how to exit X not install the drivers. |
| 16:13.54 | Virtual | An error has occurred during installation |
| 16:13.56 | Virtual | The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose |
| 16:13.58 | Virtual | any idea why this error ocured? |
| 16:14.00 | agabus | greycat - what do u mean exit normally? |
| 16:14.14 | EdibleText | Virtual, you donthave the correct db |
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| 16:15.13 | stew | agabus: he means quit your window manager |
| 16:15.13 | Mwnci | somebody ircing as root tisk tisk |
| 16:15.13 | agabus | k thanks |
| 16:15.13 | Mwnci | bibix2, id suggest you dont use irc as root :) |
| 16:15.43 | EdibleText | In #debian, as root, ne1 cant hear you scream |
| 16:15.46 | Mwnci | asg, its auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp name Wireless LAN card |
| 16:16.03 | sgeigerbot | !+root |
| 16:16.03 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 16:16.11 | WillR | anyone? is there a daemon watcher to use? |
| 16:16.29 | Virtual | EdibleText: how can I fix this? |
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| 16:16.44 | EdibleText | Virtual, get the correct backend for your app |
| 16:16.45 | greycat | WillR: inittab, runit, daemontools, while true; do freeradius; sleep 3; done |
| 16:16.47 | karsten | greycat: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/sarge-not-out.png |
| 16:17.07 | greycat | karsten: not found |
| 16:17.20 | greycat | ditto with lower-case i |
| 16:17.26 | WillR | thx |
| 16:17.26 | Virtual | EdibleText: well i`m actually tryin` to install phpbb2 |
| 16:17.28 | karsten | greycat: Give it a sec. |
| 16:18.12 | EdibleText | !depends phpbb2 |
| 16:18.17 | dpkg | phpbb2: depends on libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 (>= 4.1.0) | php4-cgi (>= 4.0.6), php4-mysql | php4-pgsql | php4-odbc, apache2 | httpd, debconf (>= 1.2.0) |
| 16:18.20 | karsten | greycat: ...I just bumped the size up to 400x400 from 200x200. |
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| 16:18.47 | EdibleText | Virtual, so you need to use one of php4-mysql | php4-pgsql | php4-odbc |
| 16:19.29 | drac | Is there more applications like torsmo, and gdesklets? |
| 16:19.29 | sussudio | php4-badger php4-mushroom |
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| 16:19.41 | greycat | karsten: mozilla says the image contains errors |
| 16:19.44 | Virtual | php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 16:19.45 | Virtual | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 16:20.00 | retupmoc | hello all |
| 16:20.15 | greycat | xv gives me a libpng: read error, then shows the top half of it |
| 16:20.15 | karsten | greycat: Again in a minute. I'm uploading now. Dialup. |
| 16:20.25 | asg | Virtual: make sure 'extension=mysql.so' is uncommented an exists in /etc/php4/*/php.ini |
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| 16:21.40 | Mwnci | asg, thanks for your help but ive had enough of it for now. im off to pick a mate up |
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| 16:23.11 | retupmoc | could u say me how can i desactive "line in" with debian sarge ? Please, sorry for my english i'm french |
| 16:23.34 | asg | !fr |
| 16:23.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:23.48 | retupmoc | yes thanks a lot |
| 16:23.52 | retupmoc | aurevoir |
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| 16:25.20 | WillR | (greycat): what exactly does " freeradius; sleep 3; " do ? |
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| 16:25.53 | karsten | greycat: Got it? |
| 16:26.24 | bwbettin | I installed Xterm and GNU Screen from sources, configuring them both with 256-color support. I have some XTerm*color#: definitions in my .Xdefaults. Xterm works fine with them. However, when I start up screen it appears to ignore those settings and shows the old colors. Any thoughts? |
| 16:26.28 | EdibleText | WillR, invokes 'freeradius' then sleeps for 3 seconds |
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| 16:27.14 | WillR | what happens after 3 seconds? |
| 16:27.18 | phaedral | hi all; my alt key doesn't seem to work except in konsole under kde; what docs should i be looking at? |
| 16:27.21 | Studiosus | hi, all! Which deb can I find INSTALL file referenced from cedet-common.deb files in? This file seems to be quite important and it's missed from cedet-common. |
| 16:27.24 | greycat | karsten: yes. |
| 16:27.27 | WillR | does it continue to chck it and run it if isnt running? |
| 16:27.28 | EdibleText | WillR, ???; Profit |
| 16:27.33 | karsten | WillR: 4 seconds. |
| 16:27.58 | elcuco | hdoes anyone know what happened to phpdoc? |
| 16:28.07 | asg | elcuco: for what debian? |
| 16:28.21 | karsten | greycat: Well? An immortal masterpiece? |
| 16:28.29 | elcuco | asg, testing |
| 16:28.36 | asg | elcuco: /msg dpkg why is phpdoc not in testing |
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| 16:29.02 | asg | karsten: replacing tux with Bucky Katt from Get Fuzzy would be better ;) |
| 16:29.52 | karsten | asg: Bucky Katt? |
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| 16:30.09 | asg | karsten: http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20050420.html |
| 16:30.18 | karsten | asg: I _think_ I know the script... |
| 16:30.20 | greycat | dpkg, sargeisnotout is http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/sarge-not-out.png |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 16:31.13 | EdibleText | tux needs some chevrons on his shoulder |
| 16:31.22 | EdibleText | an perhaps an M1 |
| 16:31.25 | jethro | tux needs to look less stupid |
| 16:31.33 | flosch | hi |
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| 16:32.20 | greycat | jethro: can't change that one. |
| 16:32.44 | jethro | :) |
| 16:33.11 | BadMan | EdibleText: 3 up and crossed rifles is always good..... |
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| 16:34.10 | greycat | karsten: pretty good work, by the way. |
| 16:34.15 | Studiosus | anybody? |
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| 16:35.00 | karsten | greycat: thanks. |
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| 16:35.06 | asg | Studiosus: probably cedet |
| 16:35.09 | karsten | greycat: Mostly squares, with distortion applied. |
| 16:35.25 | asg | Studiosus: or cedet-contrib |
| 16:35.42 | EdibleText | BadMan, http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/images/3434600.jpg ;) |
| 16:35.47 | asg | karsten: yeah but yours go to 11 |
| 16:36.13 | Studiosus | no cedet in unstable and no INSTALL in cedet-contrib |
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| 16:36.55 | karsten | asg: Why thank you ;-) |
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| 16:37.06 | WillR | i did freeradius; sleep 3; and i added freeradius to the services directory..... when i kill freeradius it doesnt restart tho.... |
| 16:37.10 | linoleum | hi guys, how can I read quicktime video plugin with firefox?? |
| 16:37.17 | WillR | shouldnt it? |
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| 16:37.38 | asg | Studiosus: then I don't know. File a bug if the package references a file that doesn't exist. |
| 16:37.52 | jethro | laters guys |
| 16:38.06 | linoleum | jethro, bye :) |
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| 16:39.28 | aliumalik | what is the default splash provided with the debian official package? |
| 16:39.40 | EdibleText | linoleum, get a working media player, eg mplayer, then apt-get install mozplugger |
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| 16:40.54 | Studiosus | where to find info how to file a bugreport? |
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| 16:41.27 | asg | Studiosus: apt-get install reportbug ; follow instructions |
| 16:41.49 | Studiosus | thank you |
| 16:42.29 | linoleum | EdibleText, cool , it's working, tkx ! |
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| 16:43.06 | indypende | someono know a starter guide to woody install for newbies |
| 16:43.19 | indypende | (like ubuntu starter guide) |
| 16:43.39 | valdyn | indypende: you sure you want woody? what for? |
| 16:44.07 | indypende | not woody?what's the alternatives? |
| 16:44.16 | valdyn | !d-i indypende |
| 16:44.17 | dpkg | indypende, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:44.36 | valdyn | !tell indypende about woody |
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| 16:45.54 | kickino | hey guys |
| 16:45.59 | indypende | dpkg: i'm looking for a configuration guide after installing the system |
| 16:46.24 | valdyn | !bot |
| 16:46.24 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:46.55 | indypende | like what are the package that i need to have a woddy with multimedia... etc etc |
| 16:48.15 | valdyn | indyken: woody is from 2002, it might not even support your gfx card. |
| 16:49.01 | EdibleText | indypende, you may find that different multimedia may needed to have a woody. Experiment. |
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| 16:52.05 | valdyn | indyken: if you still insist on using woody, and need help, ask a specific question. |
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| 16:52.24 | valdyn | indyken: i dont know about a guid as the one your are searching for |
| 16:52.31 | gilead | hello, I have problem with connecting my Debian notebook to Palm using irda; tried all howtos I could find but still nothing works; so sorry, I can't ask specific question because *nothing* seem to work; any help (here or in private) would be highly appreciated; both sides of hardware are tested and work fine |
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| 16:53.01 | valdyn | !irda |
| 16:53.01 | dpkg | from memory, irda is (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
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| 16:53.19 | linoleum | Is there a way to have the auto mount under debian SID ? |
| 16:53.30 | asg | linoleum: install autofs |
| 16:53.31 | valdyn | linoleum: various |
| 16:53.58 | valdyn | linoleum: gnome does something like that by default. |
| 16:54.19 | linoleum | asg, ok tkx mate |
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| 16:55.08 | linoleum | valdyn, yea actualy, it's show the CDrom when it's mounted on the desktop, but I have to do manualy : mount /cdrom ... so I would like an automount do have nothing to do (because I'm lazy) :) |
| 16:55.29 | grendal_prime | bummer i got a porn spam and ...well it was broken |
| 16:55.30 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 16:56.30 | valdyn | linoleum: you need a line like this in /etc/fstab ( for cdrom ): /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:56.32 | phoenix_ve2 | hi folks, i'm problems authenticating users debian in clients to my LDAP database, i'm tring to connect with pamtest and get the following error "Failed to authenticate: Error in service module". The server is up and running and I have loged in from gentoo and mandrake clients. Any ideas? |
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| 16:56.48 | emullen | hi |
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| 16:58.05 | emullen | finaly got my wireless card "linksys 801.11G" working under debian :D |
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| 16:59.42 | greycat | oooh, I haven't heard the song yet. or preordered. |
| 16:59.53 | asg | greycat: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song37.ogg |
| 16:59.54 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 17:00.08 | grendal_prime | anyone use bochs? |
| 17:00.15 | Arg30 | why is it that any mixer app I launch has no "Record" sources available? (Audigy2) |
| 17:00.28 | greycat | WOAH! 10 minutes! |
| 17:00.32 | asg | greycat: the begining is a little odd but once past it, it's really well done |
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| 17:00.55 | greycat | "monkeys and laughing by Ty Semaka," |
| 17:01.03 | asg | hehe |
| 17:01.23 | furrywolf | all in all... *nix is just another brick in the wall... of internet security. |
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| 17:01.57 | EdibleText | thats an appropriate action for a furry ;) |
| 17:02.09 | furrywolf | and isn't it gilmour? :) |
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| 17:02.19 | asg | furrywolf: yeah, quite possibly |
| 17:02.20 | paulswm | furrywolf: Yeah well "We don't need no education" is something we get a lot of from cluebies here :) |
| 17:02.21 | greycat | doesn't matter, he's not on the song |
| 17:02.25 | asg | EdibleText: pick fleas off him? |
| 17:02.37 | asg | furrywolf: the song is very floydish though |
| 17:02.37 | greycat | "guitar by Reed Shimozawa" |
| 17:03.02 | furrywolf | paulswm: LOL. too true. :) |
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| 17:03.14 | EdibleText | asg, grooming is an important activty for healthy animals. |
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| 17:03.23 | asg | EdibleText: indeed |
| 17:03.31 | paulswm | Oh, yeah the well known Floyd band member "Shimozawa" |
| 17:03.57 | phaedral | wasn't their best work anyway |
| 17:04.18 | phaedral | good-bye, blue skies was vastly superier |
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| 17:04.32 | furrywolf | lol! one of my cats is staring at the speaker. I don't think he likes it. :) |
| 17:04.43 | paulswm | Ummagumma! |
| 17:04.46 | furrywolf | set-the-controls-for-the-heart-of-the-sun-ish. |
| 17:04.46 | asg | furrywolf: you have to get past the odd techno bit |
| 17:04.56 | LordFrith | Ok, what the hell is pipefs, why does fedora core run it, and why does it screw up an nfs-kernel-derver on debian? |
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| 17:06.02 | Crasp | it's a piped filesystem? |
| 17:06.09 | agabus | please someone i just need a quick hand in mounting my fat32 drive |
| 17:06.22 | Crasp | agabus: you need a hand? |
| 17:06.23 | EdibleText | !clap agabus |
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| 17:06.30 | asg | Crasp: /msg vfatrw |
| 17:06.32 | asg | bah |
| 17:06.35 | asg | Crasp: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 17:06.45 | furrywolf | lord: pipefs, aka crackpipefs, is what fedora core programmers use while writing code. :P |
| 17:06.58 | Crasp | nothing wrong with crackpipes! |
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| 17:07.21 | seldon | agabus: mount -t vfat /dev/foo /path/to/mountpoint |
| 17:07.26 | LordFrith | Well, that very well could be, and it explains why it's causing a whole bunch of stale filehandles in the nfs server. |
| 17:07.39 | Crasp | killall pipefs |
| 17:07.52 | seldon | What does this pipefs thing do? |
| 17:07.55 | furrywolf | definitely floydish. |
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| 17:08.15 | LordFrith | seldon: I have no idea. |
| 17:08.35 | LordFrith | Crasp: It appears to be some sort of rpc-service that's running. |
| 17:08.48 | Crasp | pipefs is a kernel module |
| 17:08.49 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 17:08.58 | furrywolf | (and if anyone needs more pink floyd to compare it to, I have about 65 albums...) |
| 17:09.02 | elephantman | What readable font can i use on my konsole ? |
| 17:09.12 | gilead | back after reboot -- if anyone could help me with irda problem I mentioned, please speak |
| 17:09.13 | Crasp | but i have no idea what it is used for |
| 17:09.19 | Crasp | read Documenation of a kernel source |
| 17:09.34 | phaedral | furrywolf: atom mother heart ROCKS |
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| 17:10.02 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 17:10.03 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 17:10.25 | greycat | !applaud agabus |
| 17:10.26 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, agabus |
| 17:10.36 | seldon | Weird. I can't find it in the kernel tree - are you sure it's not a third party module? |
| 17:10.43 | Crasp | dunno |
| 17:10.58 | Crasp | that's what i found on google |
| 17:11.09 | seldon | weirder still, I can't get a decent link from google |
| 17:11.10 | furrywolf | phaedral: want it off dark side of the sky, live in london 1971, live 3-2-98, or the complete atom heart mother suite album? |
| 17:11.29 | Crasp | try yagoohoogle.com |
| 17:11.45 | agabus | ok so i mounted the drive with 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb/' however when i go into /mnt/hdb i cannot see my folders, only can i see some files in the topmost directory?? |
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| 17:11.53 | phaedral | furrywolf: uh, if you're serious, i've only heard the studio version twice, should start there |
| 17:12.00 | FoadJok | hi, probably off-topic: is there a 'active' channel to talk about software-patents? |
| 17:12.04 | Crasp | folders |
| 17:12.05 | Crasp | brrr |
| 17:12.07 | phaedral | not much to offer in return but undying gratitude :) |
| 17:12.19 | Crasp | agabus: you definately used too much windows to call directories folders ;) |
| 17:12.21 | furrywolf | I've got broadband. I don't mind sending you some "non-free packages". :) |
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| 17:12.48 | agabus | actually, i can see the directories, but it sees them not as directories for some reason |
| 17:12.50 | phaedral | fair use demo version prior to intended purchase from authorized retailer |
| 17:12.53 | phaedral | B^) |
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| 17:13.45 | StR | hi all |
| 17:13.49 | quitte | how can i create a release file for a apt-source? |
| 17:14.04 | Crasp | agabus: i haven't had any problem with fat32 drives |
| 17:14.21 | StR | how can I add a mounting point with a witespace in the /etc/fstab? |
| 17:14.21 | Crasp | agabus: do you get any specific errors? |
| 17:14.30 | asg | StR: ewwwww |
| 17:14.38 | phaedral | furrywolf: embarassed to say, dunno how to make irssi accept file |
| 17:14.49 | StR | asg: what? |
| 17:14.53 | furrywolf | phaedral: hrmm. try /dcc accept |
| 17:15.02 | Crasp | /dcc autoget on |
| 17:15.04 | Crasp | ehm |
| 17:15.04 | asg | StR: why in all that is holy would you have a mountpoint with a space in it? |
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| 17:15.29 | Crasp | /set dcc_autoget on |
| 17:15.30 | StR | asg: it is a ms-windows share |
| 17:15.33 | furrywolf | I've never used ircssi, so can't help. :) |
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| 17:15.48 | stew | quitte: /msg dpkg repository |
| 17:15.52 | asg | StR: man fstab |
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| 17:16.12 | phaedral | furrywolf: Crasp neither did the trick |
| 17:16.17 | phaedral | i'll google |
| 17:16.21 | StR | asg: i read it and didn't find about the spaces |
| 17:16.35 | Crasp | phaedral: i think you're natted or firewalled or something |
| 17:16.43 | Crasp | phaedral: can you see a fileoffer? |
| 17:16.53 | phaedral | doh; yeah, behind gatewayrouter |
| 17:16.57 | phaedral | forget sometimes... |
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| 17:17.05 | phaedral | yeah, saw offer of 22mg file |
| 17:17.07 | asg | StR: of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as `\040'. |
| 17:17.12 | StR | thanks |
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| 17:17.43 | Virtual | does samba have visual interface or something like network neighborhood on windows? |
| 17:17.48 | quitte | stew thanks |
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| 17:18.03 | Crasp | Virtual: there are some programs that provide that kind of behaviour |
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| 17:18.14 | schelm | Virtual, do you use gnome? |
| 17:18.14 | Crasp | Virtual: konquerer and nautilus can both do that |
| 17:18.21 | Virtual | KDE |
| 17:18.30 | Crasp | Virtual: type smb:// |
| 17:18.52 | Virtual | smb not found |
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| 17:19.40 | Crasp | Virtual: try smb://machine/share |
| 17:19.45 | grendal_prime | i guess thats a no on bochs |
| 17:20.07 | StR | Virtual: remote:/ |
| 17:20.21 | Virtual | command not found |
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| 17:20.44 | Crasp | well i'm sure konquerer can do what i just typed |
| 17:21.15 | Virtual | Crasp: but what if I want to see all the computers in the network so I can know which one is on and has share? |
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| 17:21.53 | stew | Virtual: wait, where did you type smb:// that you got command not found? into a shell? |
| 17:22.03 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i locked a package to a version number using kynaptic, how do i unlock it (i cant boot so its command line only) |
| 17:22.10 | jair_11 | guys If I have a card reader, usb which have like four ports for different types of memory and flash cards what could be the name for mount it? |
| 17:22.13 | EdibleText | grendal_prime, bochs rocks. but a little slow. |
| 17:22.35 | furrywolf | jair: check syslog, messages, or dmesg for what name it gave it |
| 17:22.36 | schelm | jair_11, fdisk -l |
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| 17:22.42 | Crasp | !tell Super_Cat_Frog about hold |
| 17:23.06 | jair_11 | schelm, that will shows me if is already detected? |
| 17:23.15 | schelm | jair_11, yes |
| 17:23.18 | jair_11 | schelm, I have "sarge" RC3 |
| 17:23.22 | Virtual | stew: yes |
| 17:23.26 | phaedral | cause i'm too slow for irssi |
| 17:23.35 | Crasp | too slow? |
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| 17:23.45 | stew | Virtual: they were telling you to type that into the location in konqueror or nautilus |
| 17:23.49 | furrywolf | phaedral: wget <url I messaged to you> :P |
| 17:23.51 | iceman | Im too fast for irssi |
| 17:23.58 | phaedral | thx |
| 17:24.02 | schelm | jair_11, did you already tried it? |
| 17:24.08 | jair_11 | schelm, then after that If I get the name I should do: mount /dev/flash /mnt/flash? |
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| 17:24.23 | EdibleText | phaedral, hit 'page up' key for the buffer |
| 17:24.32 | jair_11 | schelm, I tried but now I do not have the flash card to test it again. |
| 17:24.36 | jair_11 | but later I will |
| 17:24.53 | jair_11 | schelm, but what I do have do is my palm |
| 17:24.58 | grendal_prime | ya there is qemu as well its supposed to be faster |
| 17:25.03 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks crasp |
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| 17:25.10 | Virtual | stew: if I type only smb in konqueror it apears: "Mafolrmed URL" |
| 17:25.14 | schelm | jair_11, fdisk -l gives you the devices |
| 17:25.22 | grendal_prime | EdibleText, how difficult is bochs config file? |
| 17:25.41 | schelm | jair_11, if noone is detacted you have to load some more modules |
| 17:25.43 | Crasp | Virtual: try to search for kde stuff that might provide that behaviour using apt-cache search |
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| 17:25.55 | Crasp | Virtual: might be some module or plugin of konquerer |
| 17:25.58 | jair_11 | schelm, perfect good to know that |
| 17:26.03 | schelm | np |
| 17:26.04 | jair_11 | thank you very much |
| 17:26.04 | EdibleText | grendal_prime, I am not sure if bochs does virtualization. only emulation. config is very easy and straight forward |
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| 17:26.37 | stew | Virtual: apt-get install konq-plugins then i think |
| 17:26.42 | EdibleText | grendal_prime, you can boot damnnear enything |
| 17:26.47 | Virtual | Crasp: if I try : smb://hostname/share it works but I want to see all the computers in the workgroup |
| 17:27.15 | Virtual | stew: konq-plugins is already the newest version. |
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| 17:27.25 | Crasp | Virtual: hmm ok |
| 17:27.34 | Crasp | Virtual: nautilus can browse |
| 17:27.35 | k-dog | mwilson: Hi, from class. |
| 17:27.46 | Crasp | Virtual: but it requires you install a lot of gnome libs and stuff |
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| 17:27.53 | abrotman | k-dog: shouldn't you be learning something? |
| 17:28.00 | stew | Virtual: dunno then |
| 17:28.05 | Virtual | well i`ll give it a shot Crasp |
| 17:28.08 | k-dog | abrotman: I'm teaching. Be scare. Real scared. |
| 17:28.30 | Crasp | Virtual: my workstation at work uses nautilus and can browse perfectly |
| 17:28.33 | furrywolf | k-dog: lab TA? |
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| 17:28.39 | abrotman | k-dog: i am :) |
| 17:28.46 | Delph | win 6 |
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| 17:29.59 | abrotman | k-dog: hopefully you're not teaching typing class :) |
| 17:30.05 | EdibleText | Virtual, does any computer, ie Windows, have a list of computers in the network nieghborhood |
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| 17:30.34 | Virtual | Crasp: i`ll give it a shot |
| 17:30.40 | Virtual | EdibleText: I didn`t understand the question |
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| 17:31.35 | EdibleText | Virtual, you want a list of all the computers in the network like windows network places, if I understand correctly, right? |
| 17:31.49 | Crasp | that's what i thought ;) |
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| 17:32.15 | Crasp | "network neighbourhood" behaviour |
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| 17:32.28 | Crasp | sounds like showing all workgroups/domains and all hosts in it |
| 17:32.31 | Virtual | EdibleText: yes. |
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| 17:33.07 | EdibleText | Virtual, if there is a windows computer on the network, does it have the expected result, ie list of computers in the 'hood |
| 17:33.10 | working_pourr | I need help installing debian ... I have an 80-gig sata drive that I am using as a boot drive and 4x300 gig satas on a linux friendly sata raid controller. The 4 300 gig drives are setup as a raid5 volume (which seems to show up as 4 devs anyway) install goes as normal, but when I reboot I get GRUB 21 (no such device) |
| 17:33.45 | Crasp | working_pourr: grub appears to have different devicenumbering then linux |
| 17:33.47 | Virtual | EdibleText: yes, I still have windows installed and if I boot into windows I can see all the computers in network neighborhood |
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| 17:34.18 | working_pourr | Crasp, yes it does |
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| 17:34.47 | EdibleText | Virtual, do you have any windows servers on the network. WINS server and/or domain controller either samba or MS brand? |
| 17:34.47 | Crasp | working_pourr: try setting up grub from the grub bootconsole instead of from linux |
| 17:35.32 | Virtual | there are other computers in the network and about all are on Windows OS, the gateway is Linux I think... |
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| 17:36.44 | zulkifar | Hi. How is the name of a tool which creates fonts.dir from ttf fonts? Hell my head camI forgot it and cant find in apt-cache >:( |
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| 17:36.53 | zulkifar | cant remeber it |
| 17:36.59 | working_pourr | Crasp, I have tried from a knopppix cd , but I don't get as far as bootconsole on my actual install (I think I am misunderstanding your suggestion there) |
| 17:37.11 | zulkifar | mkttfdir? no... |
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| 17:37.52 | Virtual | EdibleText: why do you ask this? do you know a good way to see what computers are on my workgroup? |
| 17:37.54 | Crasp | zulkifar: i could be mistaken, but for me it works to just put ttf's in a directory and add it to my fontpath :) |
| 17:38.10 | Virtual | Crasp: after I donwload nautilus I just type : smb in the address bar? |
| 17:38.11 | Crasp | zulkifar: install msttfcorefonts |
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| 17:38.20 | zulkifar | Crasp: hm.. really? Let my try |
| 17:38.21 | Crasp | Virtual: yeah smb:// should do the trick |
| 17:38.28 | Crasp | working_pourr: well this is not really a knoppix channel |
| 17:38.36 | Crasp | working_pourr: i suggest you better try #grub |
| 17:38.51 | Crasp | working_pourr: they probably know more about it than me |
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| 17:39.01 | EdibleText | Virtual, ask the WINS server or localmaster browser. they will have a list of all windowsesq computers |
| 17:39.04 | sgeigerbot | Does someone have a good way of doing something like "locate" to find files that might be on one of several servers? I'm not especially interested in using shfs or nfs to mount remote systems just so I can use updatedb to update the locate database. Aren't there more elegant solutions? Maybe I could just use find and put the entries into a database, but it seems as if there must be programs specifically designed to deal with |
| 17:39.04 | sgeigerbot | this situation. |
| 17:39.04 | dennis_ | hi, i have got a horrible problem with hotplug an usbmgr...can u helb me? |
| 17:39.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:39.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:39.21 | sgeigerbot | dennis_: ask the question and people might answer. |
| 17:39.31 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: no, I'm not mad. |
| 17:39.33 | Virtual | EdibleText: how do I do that? |
| 17:39.46 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you should use nfs .. or smb |
| 17:39.58 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ...and then run updatedb?? |
| 17:39.59 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'm not sure yu can merge locate dbs |
| 17:40.00 | sgeigerbot | bleh. |
| 17:40.42 | working_pourr | Crasp, I see what is happening .... both volumes want to be hd0 ... I will go ask the grub guys |
| 17:40.52 | EdibleText | Virtual, smbclient -L <netbiosname> |
| 17:41.04 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: any better ideas? |
| 17:41.12 | abrotman | nope ... |
| 17:41.22 | Virtual | EdibleText: this will sound a bit dumb but how do I know what the netbiosname is ? |
| 17:41.55 | zulkifar | Crasp: no such package |
| 17:42.01 | dennis_ | I use hotplug in the moment. it works well, but i tried to mount usb devices and that does not work. I look through the log files but i didn't get a clue. So I installed usbmgr (deinstalled hotplug) but than my snd card and my mouse do not work any more... |
| 17:42.02 | EdibleText | Virtual, its like a hostname, but specific to microsoft |
| 17:42.07 | EdibleText | !netbios |
| 17:42.08 | dpkg | worst protocol ever |
| 17:42.08 | Crasp | zulkifar: apt-cache search ttf |grep ms |grep core |
| 17:42.11 | dennis_ | but all USB devices |
| 17:42.19 | zulkifar | Ahh!!! fttools!!! :))) |
| 17:42.27 | zulkifar | I'm dumb ass |
| 17:42.28 | abrotman | dpkg: netbios =~ s/ever/evar!/ |
| 17:42.28 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 17:43.06 | nuix | i use two vim in different terminals at the same time. can i use register of vim to copy a string from one vim to another? |
| 17:43.14 | EdibleText | Virtual, so I want to ask my windows box about its shares and stuff. I do 'smbclient -L wintendo' |
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| 17:43.26 | Virtual | EdibleText: I tryed smbclient -L 192.168.40.1 which is the gateway and it returned me a list... I wonder if it`s complete |
| 17:43.42 | valdyn | nuix: use gpm or screen |
| 17:43.42 | Crasp | nuix: yes, it's called gpm :) |
| 17:43.42 | EdibleText | Virtual, paste it in #flood |
| 17:43.48 | EdibleText | ill cheque it out |
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| 17:44.17 | nuix | valdyn, yes, i know |
| 17:44.21 | manuc66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.26 | valdyn | nuix: vim can write the copied text into a file that you could insert into the other vim too, but that seems relatively ugly |
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| 17:45.47 | pahvi | nuix: if you user xterm or similar you can copy and paste with mouse |
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| 17:45.56 | dennis_ | how to say hotplug to load the right usb module to mount usb-devices? |
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| 17:46.16 | EdibleText | virtual was flooding in flood and got kicked... |
| 17:46.19 | nuix | valdyn, i know i can save a selected string in visual mode into register in vim by the command "xy |
| 17:46.28 | zulkifar | Crasp: nothing. We use different apt sources |
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| 17:46.45 | Crasp | zulkifar: could be indeed |
| 17:47.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart flooding #flood |
| 17:47.27 | zulkifar | Crasp: mkttfdir - is exact name of a tool which can read just _any_ ttfs to get their correct descritions and place it in fonts.dir |
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| 17:47.38 | zulkifar | Crasp: thats how I understand it |
| 17:47.40 | Crasp | zulkifar: ok, i don't need it :) |
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| 17:47.48 | nuix | valdyn, but in another vim , the string saved into the register x is not available |
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| 17:48.01 | valdyn | nuix: well, sure not |
| 17:48.15 | zulkifar | Crasp: ok, don't use it :) |
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| 17:49.12 | valdyn | nuix: i dont really know how its implemented, i guess its just a buffer in vims memory, no other program or instance of vim can have access to such memory |
| 17:49.27 | working_pourr | Crasp, btw ... I wasn't suggesting that I am installing Knoppix ... I use it as a diagnotic cd ... I am installing from the official sarge netinst :) sorry for not being clear |
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| 17:49.39 | nuix | valdyn, whether there exists a command which can sync the registers of vim, then i can see the contents of registers in another vim at the same time? |
| 17:49.54 | Crasp | working_pourr: no problem, i configged it once and i remembered that was pretty unclear |
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| 17:49.57 | _linuxAS_ | re |
| 17:49.58 | Teemu_K | what's broken with my xfree86 when fonts sucs |
| 17:50.00 | Teemu_K | sucks |
| 17:50.03 | dennis_ | what does I have to put into /etc/hotplug/usb to mount my usb devices? |
| 17:50.05 | Crasp | working_pourr: so i don't really remember how to do it |
| 17:50.08 | Teemu_K | I can't see any text :/ |
| 17:50.36 | Crasp | Teemu_K: fontpath? |
| 17:50.42 | valdyn | nuix: you arent supposed to run multiple vims in the first place |
| 17:50.50 | valdyn | nuix: for that purpose vim has "buffers" |
| 17:50.50 | Teemu_K | mm |
| 17:51.11 | zulkifar | If I add new dir with fonts to XFS config and SIGUSR1 to it - will I need to restart X server to use new fonts? |
| 17:51.22 | EdibleText | Virtual, what box is 192.168.40.1? |
| 17:51.23 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy xfs |
| 17:51.38 | nuix | valdyn, it seems it is not a buffer. because after the vim is terminated , when you open vim again, all the contents in registers is also available. |
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| 17:51.59 | simonrvn | the registers are different from the paste buffer |
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| 17:52.48 | nuix | simonrvn, how can i sync registers in different vims? |
| 17:53.02 | Virtual | Crasp: I downloaded nautilus, how exactly do I use it cause I don`t have an address bar |
| 17:53.27 | simonrvn | :help register |
| 17:53.34 | nuix | valdyn, you open two vims and type the command :reg |
| 17:53.49 | Crasp | Virtual: hmm, dunno, try to config it so that you have an addressbar? :) |
| 17:54.20 | Crasp | Virtual: i use gnome and it was showing an addressbar for me |
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| 17:54.51 | Virtual | EdibleText: gateway |
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| 17:56.15 | nuix | simonrvn, i mean whether it is possible to transfer a string via registers in different vim |
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| 17:57.16 | nuix | simonrvn, i put a string into register in one vim, and at the same time i get it in another vim by the same register |
| 17:57.53 | nuix | simonrvn, just like the function of copy |
| 17:58.14 | Virtual | Crasp: I tryed nautilus smb:// and it displayed me Windows Network with the workgroups but if I try to enter a workgroup it gives me error |
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| 17:58.52 | EdibleText | Virtual, you need to have a machine account and a user account to access those |
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| 17:59.14 | Crasp | EdibleText: well it should popup to ask for a username and password |
| 17:59.26 | Virtual | this is so complicated ... |
| 17:59.30 | EdibleText | user account is the user name you were assignef by the windows admin |
| 17:59.34 | tarzeau | Virtual: what is the error exactly? |
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| 18:00.02 | EdibleText | machine account is becuase linux box isnt part of the domain/s |
| 18:00.11 | tarzeau | Virtual: full ack! nfs is so much easier+ |
| 18:00.17 | Virtual | tarzeau: Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dec-sud". |
| 18:00.41 | Virtual | tarzeau: I try anything just to be able to see the computers and access them via an interface |
| 18:00.41 | Crasp | well nfs isn't all about palmtree's and coconuts either :) |
| 18:01.09 | tarzeau | Crasp: i can configure it with one config line |
| 18:01.17 | tarzeau | Crasp: try that with samba |
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| 18:01.24 | tarzeau | Virtual: try use smbclient/smbmount in the shell? |
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| 18:02.00 | sudo|chmod | have you tried smb4k |
| 18:02.01 | Crasp | tarzeau: i can configure it without a configfile :) |
| 18:02.05 | Crasp | tarzeau: it's called smbclient ;) |
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| 18:02.21 | tarzeau | Crasp: are we talking the same? a server? |
| 18:02.31 | Overand | hm |
| 18:02.37 | Virtual | tarzeau: I need something with gui or something |
| 18:02.40 | Crasp | tarzeau: ehm no, i was talking in relation to the problem of Virtual :) |
| 18:02.44 | Overand | should a vt-220 terminal be capable fo sending pageup + pagedown |
| 18:02.47 | tarzeau | Virtual: you need mac os x or windows then. or OPENSTEP |
| 18:02.55 | greycat | Overand: infocmp vt220 |
| 18:02.57 | tarzeau | Crasp: file sharing? me too |
| 18:03.06 | Crasp | tarzeau: well he doesn't want to run a server :) |
| 18:03.12 | Crasp | tarzeau: so the relation was to a client |
| 18:03.17 | phaedral | furrywolf: might be a while before i get this working; :( |
| 18:03.19 | tarzeau | Crasp: but he complains about how hard this samba shit is |
| 18:03.20 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: are you trying to browse network shares on your windows machines via a debian machine? |
| 18:03.32 | tarzeau | Crasp: i was relating to the nfs server configuration part |
| 18:03.35 | Virtual | sudo|chmod: something like that |
| 18:03.38 | Overand | greycat: wow that's arcane |
| 18:03.41 | tarzeau | Crasp: client side is easy on both (well more or less) |
| 18:03.58 | Crasp | i never had any problems with samba, to be honest i don't even use nfs |
| 18:04.09 | Crasp | tho that's mainly because it had a very bad perfomance last time i used it |
| 18:04.13 | tarzeau | Crasp: have you ever used nfs? |
| 18:04.15 | sudo|chmod | smb4k - A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE |
| 18:04.20 | sudo|chmod | Virtual |
| 18:04.23 | tarzeau | Crasp: haha, you did something majorly wrong then |
| 18:04.24 | Crasp | which was about... 6 or 7 years ago i think :) |
| 18:04.29 | sudo|chmod | if you use kde |
| 18:04.35 | tarzeau | Crasp: oh well wait, on linux? |
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| 18:04.41 | Crasp | tarzeau: eh yeah |
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| 18:05.05 | Overand | i have to say, nfs is great, but on my 100baseT network, i pull > 30 megabits down from a win2k box to my debian box over samba |
| 18:05.06 | Virtual | sudo|chmod: sounds too good 2 be true, I`ll give it a show |
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| 18:05.18 | sgeigerbot | Since a few of here weren't here before when I asked (quite some time ago): Does someone have a good way of doing something like "locate" to find files that might be on one of several servers? I'm not especially interested in using shfs or nfs to mount remote systems just so I can use updatedb to update the locate database. Aren't there more elegant solutions? Maybe I could just use find and put the entries into a database, |
| 18:05.18 | sgeigerbot | but it seems as if there must be programs specifically designed to deal with this situation. |
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| 18:05.22 | Overand | samba *is* fast enough, but it's kinda 'fragile' and flaky |
| 18:05.23 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: it's really easy to use and configure |
| 18:05.31 | tarzeau | Overand: pain to configure |
| 18:05.31 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: gui configuration and browsing |
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| 18:05.51 | Overand | tarzeau: yes |
| 18:06.18 | Overand | just saying that performance isn't horribly doggish, at least on the samba client side. |
| 18:06.22 | Crasp | samba performs pretty well with a lot of small files tho |
| 18:06.27 | valdyn | nuix: registers get saved in ~/.viminfo, i dont see how you could get one started vim to reload that though |
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| 18:06.31 | EdibleText | Virtual, I suspect youll beable to browse, but will get the same error upon trying to browse DEC-SUD or others |
| 18:06.48 | tarzeau | Crasp: at least it doesn't need RPC |
| 18:06.57 | Overand | sgeigerbot: how about using the databases that updatedb makes on the *other* servers |
| 18:07.16 | Crasp | tarzeau: well i don't care about rpc :) |
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| 18:07.49 | EdibleText | Crasp, but how do expect to reboot a machine remotly when its gui is frozen ;) |
| 18:08.00 | nuix | valdyn, whether there is a command which can refresh ~/.viminfo? |
| 18:08.10 | valdyn | nuix: exactly |
| 18:08.12 | Crasp | EdibleText: what are you talking about? |
| 18:08.38 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 18:08.46 | tarzeau | EdibleText: a gui can freeze? |
| 18:08.51 | nuix | valdyn, if we know which command can do this, i think we can copy strings by registers |
| 18:08.52 | EdibleText | Crasp, RPC exploit^H^H^H^H^H features |
| 18:08.56 | tarzeau | EdibleText: well you need a mobile heater then... |
| 18:09.03 | Crasp | ehm |
| 18:09.07 | Teemu_K | whats, wrong with my X, when I start gdm or mozilla or something, I can't see those buttons, and text :/, well i see those but there's no text |
| 18:09.10 | Crasp | ok i lost all idea's of what you guys are talking about |
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| 18:09.46 | EdibleText | tarzeau, the hot pr0n works too |
| 18:09.47 | Crasp | EdibleText: and consider using ^W ;) |
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| 18:09.52 | valdyn | nuix: well, yes, but .viminfo stores session/history, so reloading it would break that |
| 18:09.56 | Teemu_K | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found |
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| 18:10.10 | Teemu_K | and many samekind error/ |
| 18:10.10 | simonrvn | ignore that |
| 18:10.24 | Teemu_K | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found |
| 18:10.25 | abrotman | i have no desire to see X in a speedo |
| 18:10.28 | Teemu_K | :I |
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| 18:10.35 | RzR | hi |
| 18:10.38 | RzR | I am having serious probleme when trying to use IDE mode w/ my cdrw |
| 18:10.43 | stew | abrotman: i'm sure your co-workers are thankful for that |
| 18:10.46 | pzn | I'm using gdm with xdmcp. xdmcp server has UPS, client no; If power fails at xdmcp client, can I recover the session and continue working with it? |
| 18:10.52 | RzR | can you check my logs : http://rzr.online.fr/q/IDE |
| 18:10.56 | abrotman | stew: they wouldn't even notice |
| 18:11.00 | nuix | valdyn, if we open two vims, how can vim deal with this situations ? |
| 18:11.21 | FieldySnuts | by not opening two? |
| 18:11.36 | valdyn | nuix: then it breaks too |
| 18:11.36 | FieldySnuts | apt: pal nuix |
| 18:11.43 | FieldySnuts | brb |
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| 18:12.12 | simonrvn | your logs are nice and dry |
| 18:12.15 | Virtual | which do you think is better? KDE or GNOME ? |
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| 18:12.27 | BucWheat | hey all |
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| 18:12.37 | greycat | Virtual: neither. |
| 18:12.45 | seldon | Virtual: Oooh, I smell jihad over that one... ;P |
| 18:12.47 | Teemu_K | Virtual: XFCE |
| 18:12.49 | Crasp | Virtual: i don't think either of the 2 is better, they both have their pro's and cons |
| 18:12.50 | BucWheat | is there some sort of splash screen that would be displayed while linux is booting up? |
| 18:12.56 | BucWheat | is there a package for this? |
| 18:13.11 | simonrvn | how many times a day do you reboot? |
| 18:13.13 | EdibleText | !start a desktop war |
| 18:13.13 | dpkg | KDE owns you and your dog. |
| 18:13.15 | seldon | I like KDE. I got used to it. |
| 18:13.15 | asg | BucWheat: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 18:13.20 | nuix | valdyn, i wander there must be a tmp .viminfo in /tmp |
| 18:13.21 | BucWheat | asg k |
| 18:13.30 | valdyn | nuix: if you need these features from vim, you shouldnt run multiple vim, if you use X or screen or gpm, then you do not need it |
| 18:14.10 | Virtual | Crasp: greycat: Teemu_K: can you tell me a website when I can check reviews on kde and gnome and maybe other apps like this, i`ve heard about openbox or something like this |
| 18:14.25 | Teemu_K | :o |
| 18:14.33 | Teemu_K | no idea |
| 18:14.39 | Crasp | Virtual: don't listen to other peoples opinions |
| 18:14.43 | EdibleText | Virtual, try KDE and GNOME then use fluxbox |
| 18:14.54 | Crasp | Virtual: install kde, use that for a week, after that install gnome, use that for a week, and see which one you like most |
| 18:14.54 | Delph | Virtual: really. install them yourself, try them out yourself. |
| 18:14.57 | abrotman | use blackbox |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | jeez |
| 18:14.59 | nuix | valdyn, yes, i just interest in the powerful functions of vim and want to find whether vim can do such copy... hehe,,,just for fun |
| 18:15.01 | Delph | openbox! |
| 18:15.02 | abrotman | don't use ripoffs |
| 18:15.06 | Delph | !start a *box war |
| 18:15.08 | seldon | Virtual: I think you'd best just try them yourself, then decide which one you want. |
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| 18:15.13 | valdyn | nuix: yea, i guessed as much ) |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | admittedly .. it was because blackbox dev stopped for about 2 years .. but whatever |
| 18:15.23 | Virtual | EdibleText: if I install another I have to remove KDE first and if I do install my apps will not work anymore? |
| 18:15.24 | Henning | Is make-kpkg supposed to take care of making an initrd image as well? |
| 18:15.29 | Delph | abrotman: sign that it's perfected, no? |
| 18:15.30 | greycat | Henning: yes, if you pass --initrd |
| 18:15.37 | Henning | Ah, thanks :) |
| 18:15.41 | seldon | KDE and gnome are both feature rich, but somewhat bloated. If you want a lean DE, I recommend xfce, but opinions vary widely there. |
| 18:15.46 | greycat | isn't that one of the first things in the man page? |
| 18:15.52 | Hercules | is php5 available in debian mirrors? |
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| 18:15.59 | asg | greycat: who reads man pages? |
| 18:16.03 | EdibleText | Virtual, last I knew you could have both and others.. not sure if that has changed. probably not... |
| 18:16.04 | asg | Hercules: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 18:16.09 | seldon | Virtual: You can have multiple desktop environments on your system |
| 18:16.14 | greycat | oh, no, that's --rootcmd |
| 18:16.17 | Hercules | I am using mepis linux |
| 18:16.18 | Virtual | seldon: and how do I change between them ? |
| 18:16.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: you have a question? |
| 18:16.21 | asg | Hercules: #mephis |
| 18:16.31 | abrotman | #mepis |
| 18:16.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: i read man pages |
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| 18:16.39 | nuix | valdyn, actually, in vim, use the command "*p to paste the contents copied from other place |
| 18:16.44 | seldon | Easiest way would be to install kdm or gdm, they let you choose what DE to start when you log on |
| 18:16.47 | asg | abrotman: it won't make any difference, nobody will be in either one |
| 18:16.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh .. i do |
| 18:16.54 | Hercules | asg i asked folks there and they said it not available, thats why here |
| 18:16.59 | Virtual | I have kdm :P |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | asg: that's because everyone moved to ubuntu .. but still .. no help there :) |
| 18:17.05 | asg | Hercules: then no, it isn't available. |
| 18:17.10 | seldon | If you want more, you can start multiple x servers with different DEs from the shell |
| 18:17.27 | Virtual | seldon: would kdm do fine? |
| 18:17.30 | Hercules | even if i change source to some other debian mirrors? |
| 18:17.32 | seldon | Sure |
| 18:17.55 | asg | Hercules: the point of the term 'mirror' is that it has a copy of what the main debian servers have |
| 18:17.58 | stew | Hercules: since they are all MIRRORS they all have the same thing |
| 18:17.59 | EdibleText | Virtual, then try that smb4k app and see if it works as you expect it too |
| 18:17.59 | asg | Hercules: and debian doesn't have php5. |
| 18:18.01 | Henning | greycat: Yes, I'm sorry. A bit stressed right now. |
| 18:18.17 | Hercules | ok, thanks asg |
| 18:18.26 | Virtual | EdibleText: I already am trying... it doesn`t display the workgroup i`m in .. DEC-SUD |
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| 18:19.17 | nuix | valdyn, ~/.viminfo is updated after a vim is terminated |
| 18:19.20 | EdibleText | virtual your in a workgroup or domain? |
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| 18:19.36 | valdyn | nuix: yep |
| 18:20.06 | EdibleText | virtual you will have to join your linux box to the domain. for that you need the administrator password o nthe dec-sud box |
| 18:20.19 | k-dog | a |
| 18:20.30 | miernik | hi. how can I make a custom package of xterm without downloading tetex and other stuff like that? anuone wants to help me, join #flood |
| 18:20.42 | Hercules | asg what do you think about this :: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story31809.html |
| 18:21.09 | asg | Hercules: you aren't running woody, you're running Mepis |
| 18:21.23 | asg | Hercules: (that's what the /msg dpkg php5 factoid says anyway.) |
| 18:21.26 | nuix | valdyn, it's really interesting how vim manipulates the information |
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| 18:22.02 | Hercules | asg but mepis is debian based right, is it not compatible? |
| 18:22.25 | valdyn | Hercules: compatible is such a wrong word for this |
| 18:22.45 | valdyn | Hercules: for supporting it the right word is "identical" ) |
| 18:22.53 | Hercules | ah i see |
| 18:22.54 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: did smb4k work for you |
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| 18:23.09 | sgeigerbot | Overand: How would I go about using the databases that locate makes on other servers? You mean to just manually run the locate command on each machine? |
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| 18:23.29 | valdyn | Hercules: so that said, debian packages may work flawless on mepis and vice versa, but if they do not, then no one can really help you |
| 18:23.56 | miernik | szrenica:/tmp# apt-get build-dep xterm |
| 18:23.58 | Gumby | does anyone here happen to know of a network monitoring tool that will provide graphic images of local network traffic via either MAC or IP? |
| 18:24.02 | miernik | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 18:24.11 | caphuso | I was classifying XML as "fad". :-) -- larry wall |
| 18:24.12 | miernik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.14 | Virtual | sudo|chmod: nope, it doesn`t display the workgroup i`m in |
| 18:24.14 | jcb | { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } and { DriveStatusError SectorIdNotFound } in my kernel log. can someone tell me those messages are about? |
| 18:24.20 | miernik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.25 | stew | jcb: you hd is dying |
| 18:24.25 | asg | caphuso: hehe |
| 18:24.27 | miernik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.39 | miernik | do I really need all that just tto compile xterm? |
| 18:24.54 | miernik | what is tetex for? |
| 18:25.01 | Hercules | ah valdyn i get your point, you might end up breaking it right |
| 18:25.08 | asg | miernik: documentation (TeX) |
| 18:25.27 | geit | My exim use 20 sec to respond on port 25 on public ip, and no time on private ip. What can be the problem? |
| 18:25.27 | jcb | stew: oh its part of a software raid5 partition, so hopefully nothing will happen? |
| 18:25.35 | caphuso | miernik: are you trying to recompile xterm from the debian package? |
| 18:25.41 | caphuso | err, debian source package |
| 18:25.43 | miernik | asg: is there a clean debian way of compiling xterm without it? |
| 18:25.43 | asg | geit: identd lookups |
| 18:25.51 | asg | miernik: why do you want to compile xterm? |
| 18:26.06 | valdyn | Hercules: no, breaks can happen w/ anything, but you will end up with a system that is unique, no one knows it, no bug tracking database fits it. |
| 18:26.07 | miernik | asg: to compile it with --enable-256-colors |
| 18:26.11 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: it does for me ... go up to the file menu and go to Network then select rescan |
| 18:26.17 | caphuso | miernik: you do realize that you need to compile the whole xfree86 for that? |
| 18:26.19 | stew | jcb: hopefully. you better have a replacement, you should replace it asap |
| 18:26.22 | caphuso | miernik: right? |
| 18:26.26 | asg | geit: rfc1413_query_timeout = 0s (should prevent that) |
| 18:26.30 | miernik | caphuso: what? |
| 18:26.39 | miernik | crazy |
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| 18:26.51 | asuffield | miernik: xfree86 has the worst build system ever invented. famous for it. |
| 18:26.54 | geit | asg: ok, I'll check. Thanx |
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| 18:27.04 | caphuso | miernik: if you want to recompile the xterm package, you either know _very well_ how to edit a debian/rules file or you end up compiling the complete xfree86 |
| 18:27.08 | Virtual | sudo|chmod: already tryed that |
| 18:27.15 | valdyn | Hercules: if a new debian package breaks debian installs, it will be in the bts within an hour and everyone will know, such is not the case with random distro mixes |
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| 18:27.29 | caphuso | miernik: and based on the questions you've asked so far, i don't think "very well" applies to you |
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| 18:27.40 | Unskill3d | hi! ive forgotten how to change the tiny fonts in the xmms options menu. can u help me? |
| 18:27.46 | Unskill3d | it was something with GTK |
| 18:27.46 | asuffield | caphuso: it's worse, you need a complete understanding of imake |
| 18:27.47 | Unskill3d | right ? |
| 18:28.02 | caphuso | asuffield: oh, right, i forgot about that one |
| 18:28.05 | Hercules | I see thanks for the info valdyn |
| 18:28.20 | Unskill3d | i tried gtk-theme-switch but it didnt helped |
| 18:28.23 | caphuso | miernik: so, in short, you're far better of getting the xterm sources from upstream and compile those instead |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | or not muck with it :) |
| 18:28.45 | jcb | stew: ok, ill get my hands on one asap then |
| 18:28.51 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: have you tried messing around with some of your samba settings in Control Center(in the kde menu) |
| 18:28.53 | caphuso | i.e. the standalone version, not the one xfree86 included |
| 18:29.02 | abrotman | or use another term that has 256 colors ? |
| 18:29.34 | jcb | stew: do you know a place where i can read the technical information about what those error messages indicate? |
| 18:29.39 | miernik | is there another x terminal, which has good unicode support, is light, and can support 256 colors? no stuff like transparency or antialiasing wanted. |
| 18:29.58 | sudo|chmod | Virtual: it's under Internet & Network |
| 18:29.59 | Virtual | sudo|chmod: i`ll give that a shot as well |
| 18:30.04 | valdyn | miernik: uxterm? |
| 18:30.16 | miernik | valdyn: it's just a wrapper for xterm |
| 18:30.28 | travisat | urxvt is the best x terminal imo |
| 18:30.29 | valdyn | miernik: so? |
| 18:30.38 | phaedral | furrywolf: how you feel about ogg? |
| 18:30.38 | greycat | travisat: too bad it won't compile on hp-ux 10 :( |
| 18:30.52 | travisat | it won't? |
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| 18:31.40 | miernik | valdyn: it'll take too long to download build dep's and compile |
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| 18:32.00 | stew | jcb: i dunno, google? source code? |
| 18:32.07 | Oryn | ogg rocks :) |
| 18:32.38 | golya | Hi! I want to backup a copy-protected dvd, but even dvdbackup cannot do it. Any ideas? |
| 18:32.43 | valdyn | miernik: whats the purpose of this? |
| 18:32.57 | Oryn | golya: dvd::rip? |
| 18:33.11 | caphuso | miernik: get the xterm source from thomas dickey and compile that |
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| 18:33.30 | caphuso | miernik: it probably been already finished if you had done that the first time i told you so |
| 18:33.39 | directhex | golya, are you american? |
| 18:33.51 | golya | directhex: no, I'm in Hungary |
| 18:34.10 | directhex | golya, that's okay then. /msg dpkg marillat, add the marillat sources, apt-get update, apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 18:34.11 | miernik | caphuso: I have a 32 kbps link and a Pentium 166 MMX CPU, how much it might take? |
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| 18:34.29 | sussudio | 32kbps? 4K per second? |
| 18:34.43 | golya | directhex: I think I have libdvdcss |
| 18:34.56 | caphuso | miernik: and you wanted to compile the whole xfree86? |
| 18:35.06 | caphuso | wow... that's masochism |
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| 18:35.27 | miernik | caphuso: no, I thought it can just recompile xterm |
| 18:35.29 | caphuso | miernik: i don't think the source tarball is more than a MiB |
| 18:36.28 | quitte | xterm is still in the big xfree86 source afaik |
| 18:36.41 | Unskill3d | plz help: where to set te font size of the xmms options menu? its gtk1 right ? |
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| 18:36.47 | simonrvn | afaik no |
| 18:36.51 | caphuso | quitte: not if you don't get the version xfree86 incorporated |
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| 18:37.25 | quitte | caphuso: i was talking about debian source |
| 18:37.38 | caphuso | quitte: but nobody else is anymore |
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| 18:37.44 | valdyn | Unskill3d: you want to set the fontsize? |
| 18:37.49 | quitte | ok missed that |
| 18:37.53 | Unskill3d | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:38.17 | Unskill3d | valdyn: or the font type. i think it will fix it too. cuz i cant read it |
| 18:38.21 | valdyn | Unskill3d: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch |
| 18:38.35 | pzn | Hi! I already enabled parport at bios, but /dev/lp0 does not exists. (debian sarge 2.6.8-2-k7) any hints? |
| 18:38.40 | jetx | and apt-cache search gtk-engines |
| 18:38.53 | valdyn | !dpi |
| 18:38.53 | dpkg | dpi is probably your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 18:38.56 | Unskill3d | valdyn: hmm yes did that. so i have to try some more themes ? maybe i was just unluky with picking one |
| 18:38.56 | caphuso | pzn: load the lp module |
| 18:38.58 | jetx | load the parport module? |
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| 18:39.13 | valdyn | Unskill3d: you can explicitely pick a font too |
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| 18:39.37 | pzn | caphuso, worked. thanks! |
| 18:39.42 | jetx | iirc gtk2-engines also |
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| 18:42.07 | apfel | I'm getting this error when I'm trying to start amule: Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation). Any ideas what could be wrong there? |
| 18:42.51 | valdyn | apfel: iirc that is a thing that appears when you have a certain or some certain themes selected, try a different theme |
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| 18:43.24 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 18:43.34 | nipplesrulz | do yall ever use gftp by chance? |
| 18:43.59 | nipplesrulz | i was wondering why the server was reporting its sending to me at ~430KB where gftp says ~160 |
| 18:44.01 | valdyn | pzn: try "modprobe parport" |
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| 18:44.26 | mikeX | is qemu ok for testing out sarge installations? |
| 18:44.30 | nipplesrulz | are there any programs for debian where i can see the bw going in and out seperate for all that? |
| 18:44.31 | valdyn | pzn: you need these 3 modules loaded : parport_pc,parport,lp |
| 18:44.33 | jetx | gftp rox, but no idea |
| 18:45.01 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, gkrellm has a nice network monitor with separate in - out |
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| 18:45.13 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, but not on an aplication level |
| 18:45.16 | jetx | nipplesrulz: not sure, but maybe the qos on your dsl provider is eating up the diff |
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| 18:45.22 | nipplesrulz | i dont need an application level |
| 18:45.23 | emullen | hi |
| 18:45.30 | nipplesrulz | qos? |
| 18:45.31 | pzn | valdyn, thanks. just loading "lp" solved the problem |
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| 18:45.41 | nipplesrulz | that would be a rediculous overhead id think |
| 18:45.42 | valdyn | pzn: yea, i saw |
| 18:45.43 | jetx | quality of service, aka bandwidth limiter |
| 18:45.46 | emullen | can some one help me with this problem Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:45.49 | nipplesrulz | 300% overhead? |
| 18:45.52 | nipplesrulz | oh no |
| 18:45.56 | nipplesrulz | i got 5mb dl |
| 18:45.57 | apfel | valdyn: I've never used amule before. Hence I guess that it uses the default theme. Anyway, do you know how I can change the theme? |
| 18:46.03 | valdyn | emullen: when you do what? |
| 18:46.05 | mikeX | emullen, did you su? |
| 18:46.10 | jetx | oh then no idea might be gftp |
| 18:46.10 | emullen | yes |
| 18:46.17 | emullen | i get it ive i use su |
| 18:46.22 | nipplesrulz | ok so i just apt-get install gkrellm ? |
| 18:46.22 | pzn | can I recover a xdmcp session that had the client power energy cut? |
| 18:46.27 | Unskill3d | valdyn: the fonts dont change. i think i dont have gtk1 installed. do you know the name of the packet ? |
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| 18:46.33 | emullen | i get it with airsnort |
| 18:46.34 | valdyn | apfel: it uses your set gtk theme, which can be triggered by various things, do you use "gnome" ? |
| 18:46.36 | apfel | valdyn: However, I can't start amule to make the changes there because the program crashes immediately with the above error message |
| 18:46.37 | emullen | and other progs |
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| 18:46.52 | valdyn | apfel: that theme isnt set in or from amule |
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| 18:47.13 | apfel | valdyn: I don't but now I seem to remember that I did some changes to gtk some while back... |
| 18:47.13 | rempresent | how hard is it to install an ati graphics card? |
| 18:47.14 | emullen | like i wana install quake 3 arena 1.32 also says connection to 0.0 refused by server |
| 18:47.18 | jetx | !find gtk2-engines |
| 18:47.19 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gtk2-engines' (13 of 20): gtk2-engines-cleanice ;; gtk2-engines-clearlooks ;; gtk2-engines-crux ;; gtk2-engines-geramik ;; gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ;; gtk2-engines-highcontrast ;; gtk2-engines-industrial ;; gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue ;; gtk2-engines-magicchicken ;; gtk2-engines-metal ;; gtk2-engines-mist ;; gtk2-engines-pixbuf ;; gtk2-engines-qtpixmap. |
| 18:47.23 | Unskill3d | rempresent: not hard |
| 18:47.32 | valdyn | apfel: try gtk-theme-switch |
| 18:47.37 | jetx | see also gtk-engines |
| 18:47.48 | Unskill3d | rempresent: just follow this: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:47.50 | vosti | is it possibile to set root's xauthority once (and not every time) to avoid to login as root using sux and be able to run graphic sw by an xterm? |
| 18:47.52 | jetx | those are what gtk theme switch switches |
| 18:47.58 | jetx | aka those are themes |
| 18:48.07 | mikeX | emullen, http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#specquest |
| 18:48.12 | streuner | rempresent: how hard do you think? |
| 18:48.12 | emullen | ok ty |
| 18:48.22 | jetx | :::streuner::: |
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| 18:48.24 | nuix | valdyn, i find a way to copy strings by registers. we can open differet files in a vim. then they will share the same registers....haha .... |
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| 18:48.27 | valdyn | apfel: however IF you also run gnome and alsa switch theme settings by unknown to me methods then i cant tell which of all 3 triggers will finally be responsible for your current theme settings |
| 18:48.38 | streuner | jetx: J E T S C R E A M E R ! |
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| 18:48.47 | mikeX | emullen, http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#authorerror |
| 18:48.52 | valdyn | nuix: yea, thats vims buffers.. i said that earlier ) |
| 18:49.08 | valdyn | nuix: one buffer per file to edit, not one vim per file to edit.. |
| 18:49.13 | Unskill3d | what package is gtk1 ? |
| 18:49.35 | mikeX | is qemu ok for testing out sarge installations? |
| 18:49.36 | streuner | Unsill3d: libgtk1.2 or such |
| 18:49.44 | Unskill3d | stratoca1ter: k thx |
| 18:49.45 | geit | asg: No effect. But it is 30 sec. |
| 18:49.46 | nuix | valdyn, registers is different from buffers |
| 18:49.47 | streuner | Unskill3d: libgtk1.2 or such |
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| 18:50.01 | nipplesrulz | mikeX, that thing looks kinda kewl ;) |
| 18:50.11 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, it is : ) |
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| 18:50.22 | rempresent | Unskilld: what guide did you use |
| 18:50.26 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, especially if you put the 'invisible' theme on : ) |
| 18:50.29 | nuix | valdyn, one buffer per file to edit, but a set of registers per vim to record info |
| 18:50.32 | Omniflux | Is there a mirror of http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ anywhere? |
| 18:50.35 | nipplesrulz | so the one that says eth0 is the ethernet card? |
| 18:50.41 | nipplesrulz | oooooooo invisible XD |
| 18:50.53 | jetx | !find gtk-themes |
| 18:50.57 | valdyn | nuix: yep |
| 18:51.00 | jetx | ooops |
| 18:51.02 | asg | geit: then a firewall is blocking idents |
| 18:51.02 | nipplesrulz | does it have an "always on top" option? |
| 18:51.04 | jetx | !find gtk-engines |
| 18:51.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gtk-engines' (14 of 20): gtk-engines-begtk ;; gtk-engines-eazel ;; gtk-engines-geramik ;; gtk-engines-geramik-data ;; gtk-engines-icegradient ;; gtk-engines-industrial ;; gtk-engines-lighthouseblue ;; gtk-engines-mac2 ;; gtk-engines-metal ;; gtk-engines-mist ;; gtk-engines-notif ;; gtk-engines-pixmap ;; gtk-engines-qtpixmap ;; gtk-engines-raleigh. |
| 18:51.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gtk-themes' returned no results. |
| 18:51.11 | pzn | any recommendation of a cheap PXE capable network card to use with debian? |
| 18:51.21 | jetx | begtk eh |
| 18:51.21 | nuix | valdyn, different buffers share one set of registers in a vim.... hehe,, |
| 18:51.28 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, yes |
| 18:51.33 | rempresent | well, i tried it once, and i don't think it was fully installed, the system looked like it still chugged. |
| 18:51.35 | nipplesrulz | holt shit~ |
| 18:51.35 | jetx | raleigh? |
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| 18:51.49 | rempresent | anyway, i am going to put ubuntu back on and install cedega... |
| 18:51.50 | nipplesrulz | why would i show 5 users mikex any clue? |
| 18:51.53 | nuix | valdyn, another powerful way for copy in vim... |
| 18:52.12 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, gnome-terminal sessions count for 1 user |
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| 18:52.17 | apfel | valdyn: I tried all available themes but amule still doesn't work :( |
| 18:52.29 | jetx | try emule |
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| 18:52.33 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, i think any xterm should count as a user |
| 18:52.34 | nipplesrulz | oh ok |
| 18:52.37 | jetx | try edonkey |
| 18:52.38 | Lee__ | how come dpkg asked me if I wanted to configure su_exec for apache the first time I installed it but won't when I reinstall it? |
| 18:52.43 | valdyn | apfel: i would try to remove gtk config files and try amule again |
| 18:52.44 | jetx | try bittornado |
| 18:52.48 | nipplesrulz | i was all freaked out for a second there mikeX |
| 18:52.50 | nipplesrulz | XD |
| 18:52.50 | jetx | try giFT |
| 18:52.55 | rempresent | like right now, I have an Nvidia card, and it is a geforce440mx, and i would rather use my ati card... what would you guys do |
| 18:53.02 | streuner | rempresent: i see no reason why you do this, but just do it |
| 18:53.02 | mikeX | : D |
| 18:53.07 | nuix | valdyn, sorry,,,, another way to copy in vim... hehe |
| 18:53.07 | jetx | put the ati card in |
| 18:53.23 | mikeX | Lee__, maybe run dpkg-reconfigure apache? |
| 18:53.24 | jetx | no wait, i want the ati so of course i wouldn't put it in |
| 18:53.27 | rempresent | streuner: what do you mean, will the ati card installation go smoothly or not... |
| 18:53.28 | jetx | i'd buy a new box... |
| 18:53.36 | streuner | rempresent: easy |
| 18:53.42 | jetx | with dos 6.22 on it |
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| 18:54.02 | rempresent | streuner: it's easy, you swear |
| 18:54.11 | nuix | valdyn, bye.. |
| 18:54.12 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, http://users.ntua.gr/el01707/screen.png |
| 18:54.16 | jetx | erp |
| 18:54.30 | jetx | s/ stratoca1ter / streuner / |
| 18:54.32 | Lee__ | mikeX: hrumph, how come synaptic doesn't run that by choosing the "reinstall" option? |
| 18:54.45 | streuner | rempresent: spend some time to read what /msg dpkg ati tell you, done. |
| 18:54.48 | rempresent | streuner: i don't use debian exclusively, i use unbuntu... will that have some type of problem or nto... |
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| 18:55.09 | valdyn | rempresent: /j #ubuntu |
| 18:55.11 | streuner | rempresent: i have no idea about ubuntu |
| 18:55.21 | Lee__ | I don't use Debian exclusively, I also use drugs, OS X and Windows |
| 18:55.26 | mikeX | Lee__, reconfigure is not run evey time you update... i think i also has to do with the level you choose for debconf questions, maybe you changed that in the meantime |
| 18:55.45 | Lee__ | mikeX: thanks, kinds annoying but nothing major. |
| 18:55.46 | rempresent | valdyn: last time they were no help |
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| 18:56.16 | rempresent | streuner: debian doesn't find any of my screens whenever i load it |
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| 18:56.30 | rempresent | streuner: install it excuse me... |
| 18:56.40 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, yep, look at the 'info' tab in the configuration dialog |
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| 18:56.45 | streuner | rempresent: because you didn't read what dpkg told you |
| 18:56.55 | mikeX | nipplesrulz, so see how you can customize it to display in/out traffic |
| 18:57.01 | mikeX | instead of total |
| 18:57.02 | rempresent | streuner: wha... |
| 18:57.02 | nipplesrulz | yeah, im seeing it |
| 18:57.09 | nipplesrulz | its fine i only have a little bit out |
| 18:57.12 | streuner | rempresent: but keep in mind, ubuntu use xorg, debian xfree |
| 18:57.15 | nipplesrulz | it seems that gftp is a lier |
| 18:57.18 | nipplesrulz | *liar |
| 18:57.22 | mikeX | XD |
| 18:57.29 | rempresent | streuner: is that a problem |
| 18:57.41 | streuner | rempresent: uhm, yes :-) |
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| 18:57.51 | rempresent | streuner: how so |
| 18:58.55 | emullen | ok thx for all the help guys |
| 18:58.57 | emullen | cu :) |
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| 18:59.27 | rempresent | streuner: should i just install debian then, will i have gnome, or how hard is debian to install... |
| 18:59.39 | nipplesrulz | well off to the gftp forums/pplz to yell at them |
| 18:59.45 | mike_X | nipplesrulz, as you can see on the screenshot |
| 18:59.58 | mike_X | nipplesrulz, gkrellm can display a handfull of useful info : ) |
| 19:00.20 | streuner | rempresent: 5-10 minutes to install base-system, if you want GNOME that's about 200 MB - depends how fast you i-net connection is |
| 19:00.25 | nipplesrulz | yeah XD |
| 19:00.36 | rempresent | streuner: it be fast |
| 19:00.36 | nipplesrulz | i need to set up voltage and temp daemons apparently lol |
| 19:00.38 | streuner | rempresent: + about 70-80 MB to install X |
| 19:00.39 | nipplesrulz | but this is great! |
| 19:00.46 | mike_X | nipplesrulz, look at the lm-sensors package |
| 19:00.52 | rempresent | streuner: is there like some guide that i can follow |
| 19:01.18 | streuner | rempresent: d-i (debian installer sarge) is very intuitive |
| 19:01.21 | rempresent | streuner: i want a debian system, but i am afraid to install because i don't want to f- anything up |
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| 19:01.28 | mike_X | bye |
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| 19:01.46 | i3dmaster | anyone knows how to get a better compress ratio when making cloop filesystem? |
| 19:02.11 | caphuso | i3dmaster: put nothing but ascii text files in it |
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| 19:02.23 | Gumby | is there a flag with apt-cache that will also show me the package version that is available to install? |
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| 19:02.25 | rempresent | streuner: so like, it is pretty straight forward. |
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| 19:02.45 | rempresent | streuner: or what would i install, i do want gdm... |
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| 19:02.51 | apfel | valdyn: Even if I can't get it to work my xchat looks quite good with the new gtk theme ;) Thanks |
| 19:03.03 | travisat | xchat sucks |
| 19:03.05 | i3dmaster | caphuso: I wish but normally its more than that. |
| 19:03.08 | streuner | rempresent: debian |
| 19:03.13 | Lee__ | i3dmaster: set the compression higher. from what I read it's not that much better but takes much longer. |
| 19:03.18 | apfel | travisat: Life does too |
| 19:03.19 | EvilSporkMan | slightly OT: i'm building my first comp - i have my Athlon 64 installed in the socket and i'm ready to put the heatsink (retail model) on. I have taken the giant plastic cover off the heatsink. is that little square on the bottom of the heatsink the thermal compound or paper backing that i need to peel off? |
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| 19:03.38 | travisat | apfel: use irssi |
| 19:03.43 | i3dmaster | caphuso: do you know why most of cloop filesystem is using 65536 for blocksize? Can I use some other value? |
| 19:03.53 | apfel | travisat: which wm do you use? |
| 19:03.55 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: prod it with your finger |
| 19:04.02 | i3dmaster | Lee__: how? |
| 19:04.03 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: it should be sticky, right? |
| 19:04.04 | Delph | if it rubs off it was thermal compound. |
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| 19:04.08 | furrywolf | evil: most likely it's thermal compound. I've heard rumors those suck and $$$$ thermal paste is better, but everyone else says they work fine. |
| 19:04.10 | rempresent | streuner: yeah, i am going to install debian... but like how hard is the installation, i have install ubuntu and whenever i install debian it f-s up so like wha did i do wrong if it says the screens can't be fround |
| 19:04.13 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: bah, i don't want to put more on @_@ |
| 19:04.17 | travisat | apfel: gnome, right now, but normally fvwm or ion3 |
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| 19:04.44 | streuner | rempresent: just /msg dpkg ati |
| 19:04.45 | apfel | travisat: Well, in analogy I could say "gnome sucks, use fluxbox" |
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| 19:04.53 | caphuso | i3dmaster: yes, you can |
| 19:05.02 | apfel | travisat: I have no problems with xchat. Why should I change? |
| 19:05.06 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: thermal compound is not sticky? |
| 19:05.07 | travisat | apfel: and I would agree |
| 19:05.14 | apfel | travisat: ;) |
| 19:05.18 | Lee__ | i3dmaster: read the manual. I don't remember off hand. The knoppix remastering docs should have it written down. |
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| 19:05.25 | i3dmaster | Lee__: I cutomized a livecd and it take about 800Mb, nothing can delete though, so I want to see if I can use some other params to make it compressed higher |
| 19:05.35 | i3dmaster | Lee__: oh ok |
| 19:05.45 | furrywolf | evil: it's probably a piece of paper (remove!) over a thermal pad. |
| 19:05.49 | Lee__ | i3dmaster: don't waste your time. Remove some files from that livecd |
| 19:06.00 | Lee__ | cloop is magic but not that much magic |
| 19:06.01 | travisat | apfel: irc doesn't need a gui to be useful. |
| 19:06.02 | misfitx7 | where is the hostap default configuration file? |
| 19:06.06 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: mmkay...hopefully it's not a thermal pad with no paper :X |
| 19:06.06 | Wendy | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 19:06.06 | Skrot | Just a quick question: If i've got x.org installed from source, I won't be able to install QT using apt-get, right? |
| 19:06.13 | Wendy | what library file is it looking for? |
| 19:06.22 | greycat | Wendy: zlib1g-dev |
| 19:06.25 | Wendy | ty |
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| 19:06.30 | abrotman | Skrot: how would we know .. xorg isn't in debian |
| 19:06.45 | i3dmaster | Lee__: ya I tried. but I have to put some speicific apps in, so it is hard to low the size down now |
| 19:06.47 | geit | asg: To me it looks like identd is not running. No prosecc, no init.d/ident, no respons on port 113 on local ip. |
| 19:06.47 | streuner | Skrot: why do you not use xfree86? |
| 19:07.05 | apfel | travisat: I agree. I guess the only GUIs I'm using are xchat, xmms, and firefox |
| 19:07.06 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: it is certainly thermal compound |
| 19:07.09 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: there is paste and pads to conduct thermal, you probably have a pad sticking there, leave it |
| 19:07.21 | Skrot | streuner: I've got xfree, from apt. I was just woundering :) |
| 19:07.25 | i3dmaster | Lee__: If I get rid of gnome, that would do. |
| 19:07.26 | Lee__ | i3dmaster: good luck. I'd recommend the Knoppix Hacks book if you want to get more out of remastering a livecd |
| 19:07.27 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn, furrywolf: i rubbed off a tiny fleck in the corner just now (say, 1%) |
| 19:07.28 | rempresent | steuner: so, lets do the rundown. i want debian, gdm, and what do i want for a visual environment.... |
| 19:07.37 | travisat | apfel: why use a gui for irc, use irssi in a virtual terminal, its great |
| 19:07.37 | rempresent | xfree86? |
| 19:07.39 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn, furrywolf: is that cause for concern? |
| 19:07.40 | tarzeau | i3dmaster: or look at morphix.org #morphix ? |
| 19:07.40 | Delph | i said that =:/ |
| 19:07.43 | streuner | Skrot: playing with X isn't helpful... |
| 19:07.48 | Lee__ | rempresent: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 19:07.49 | furrywolf | evil: no. :P |
| 19:07.49 | tarzeau | travisat: better in gnu screen |
| 19:07.52 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: thats not a problem as long as that "corner" does not cover your cpu die |
| 19:07.54 | Skrot | streuner: I know :) |
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| 19:08.02 | travisat | tarzeau: I am use screen |
| 19:08.05 | i3dmaster | tarzeau: oh.. good idea |
| 19:08.07 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: great |
| 19:08.07 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: those pads are normally alot bigger than the cpu die, so np |
| 19:08.07 | furrywolf | they always squish anyway when they warm up... |
| 19:08.16 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn: great, thanks very much |
| 19:08.18 | tarzeau | i3dmaster: you want to do a live cd? |
| 19:08.27 | nipplesrulz | ok i know im not being normal >< but how do i use the bot to search again? !search lm-snesors >? |
| 19:08.27 | streuner | Skrot: if you haven't a good reason just stay with xfree86 in debian |
| 19:08.35 | i3dmaster | tarzeau: yep. |
| 19:08.37 | Skrot | streuner: allrighty |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | !tell nipplesrulz about search |
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| 19:08.50 | tarzeau | i3dmaster: with what? what will be so cool about it? |
| 19:08.51 | tarzeau | hi panthera |
| 19:09.00 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed nipplesrulz |
| 19:09.16 | panthera | tarzeau: re :) |
| 19:09.29 | panthera | tarzeau: when do we want to meet friday? |
| 19:09.32 | apfel | travisat: There's no actual reason why I'm using xchat. I just installed it because it seemed to be popular and I've had no problems with it |
| 19:09.32 | rempresent | streuner: thanks, i am goign to get started now |
| 19:09.33 | nipplesrulz | XD |
| 19:09.39 | i3dmaster | tarzeau: there are some packages that I need to put in for livecd so that we can work anywhere we want. but once I put them in, the cd is too big to burn |
| 19:09.46 | tarzeau | panthera: arf! it got canceled due to coloring the rooms |
| 19:09.59 | panthera | tarzeau: umpf |
| 19:10.02 | tarzeau | panthera: so it'll be may when i'll talk about GNUstep ;) |
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| 19:10.22 | doub | hi all |
| 19:10.31 | tarzeau | doub: bonsoir |
| 19:10.34 | travisat | apfel: why don't you try something else |
| 19:10.37 | panthera | tarzeau: can you keep me informed about it? |
| 19:10.41 | panthera | +please :) |
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| 19:10.53 | apfel | travisat: lack of time, I guess |
| 19:10.54 | tarzeau | panthera: yes of course. were you on the mountain today? |
| 19:11.03 | doub | tarzeau: bien le bonsoir |
| 19:11.11 | tarzeau | panthera: hey i got finally a monitor that works with my hp pa-risc ;) |
| 19:11.18 | apfel | travisat: An IRC program is nothing I would consider important |
| 19:11.18 | valdyn | nothing wrong with xchat anyway |
| 19:11.21 | panthera | tarzeau: congrats ;) |
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| 19:11.33 | travisat | apfel: you are most correct |
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| 19:11.45 | adexta | how do i remove kde? |
| 19:11.52 | tarzeau | adexta: apt-get --purge remove kde |
| 19:11.53 | prodope | how do i reset a users password? |
| 19:11.54 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 19:11.55 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 19:11.58 | tarzeau | prodope: passwd users |
| 19:11.59 | furrywolf | nipplesrulz. it's not. and I'm straight. but anyone who has the word "nipples" in their nick is just asking for it. :P |
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| 19:12.26 | tarzeau | adexta: you want to try gnome? gnustep? no more gui? |
| 19:12.39 | adexta | gnome |
| 19:12.40 | nipplesrulz | :P true dat! *steals furrywolf's female friends for a nippleparty* |
| 19:12.42 | i3dmaster | tarzeau: #morphix seems very quiet... |
| 19:12.49 | tarzeau | i3dmaster: wrong time |
| 19:13.02 | valdyn | adexta: no reason to remove anything if all you want is use gnome |
| 19:13.03 | tarzeau | adexta: why not gnustep? |
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| 19:13.19 | adexta | tarzeau: haven't heard of it |
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| 19:13.39 | furrywolf | nipplesrulz: most of the female friends I have would think tying you to the bed and getting out their favorite strap-on would be a fun idea... |
| 19:13.53 | nipplesrulz | oh my |
| 19:13.58 | tarzeau | adexta: www.gnustep.org or http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 19:13.59 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 19:14.02 | nipplesrulz | ill take the other |
| 19:14.03 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 19:14.06 | nipplesrulz | actually |
| 19:14.10 | nipplesrulz | >.> |
| 19:14.18 | nipplesrulz | i suppose i could get 2 of them |
| 19:14.30 | Lee__ | i3dmaster: making a livecd is a pretty big job. I'm getting one off the ground but it's highly specialized. http://www.auppix.org |
| 19:14.31 | adexta | i'm currently running irssi on a tty |
| 19:14.32 | nipplesrulz | get tied up and watch the show while munching a little clam? >.> |
| 19:14.47 | furrywolf | nipplesrulz: the strap-on would be for use on you. |
| 19:14.58 | tarzeau | Lee__: it's easy with morphix and ibuild |
| 19:15.04 | tarzeau | Lee__: kinda like a "mouse click" |
| 19:15.20 | adexta | and kde is removing itself in the background on a different tty |
| 19:15.22 | smhar | hi guys |
| 19:15.23 | nipplesrulz | dam |
| 19:15.33 | greycat | sire |
| 19:15.34 | nipplesrulz | that's not a great idea furrywolf |
| 19:15.37 | nipplesrulz | >< |
| 19:15.39 | tarzeau | smhar: not everyone here is a guy |
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| 19:16.07 | smhar | I want to use mplayer but when I issue mplayer in konsole I get a text interface |
| 19:16.21 | tarzeau | smhar: #mplayer or gmplayer |
| 19:16.21 | greycat | smhar: and the problem is...? |
| 19:16.30 | Lee__ | tarzeau: the last time I tried to make completely customized morphix builds it was quite specific and I spent just as much time figuring out their terminology as remastering a full knoppix disk. |
| 19:16.31 | greycat | mplayer _filename_ |
| 19:16.34 | greycat | gee, that's so hard. |
| 19:16.50 | travisat | I like vlc |
| 19:16.50 | tarzeau | smhar: you mean kde terminal or console? |
| 19:16.55 | furrywolf | greykat: he probably wants gmplayer, and forgot to compile it and/or follow the (long, annoying) instructions for making it work. |
| 19:16.57 | tarzeau | travisat: i don't. so? |
| 19:17.12 | tarzeau | Lee__: hehe ;) |
| 19:17.23 | tarzeau | Lee__: you haven't used "ibuild", have you? |
| 19:17.29 | smhar | tarzeau, kde termibal |
| 19:17.30 | doub | i'm trying to have sound to work on a new nvidia nforce2 chipset. the only thing that "works" so far is the official nvidia module, nvsound, which i would'nt even compare to crap. the snd-intel8x0 seems like not working, dmesg says nothing when loaded, and it's not listed in the module.pcimap file. lspci says "unknown device". is there any hope ? |
| 19:17.32 | valdyn | !tell smhar about marillat |
| 19:17.43 | Lee__ | guess not. ibuild is the magic grail of livecds? |
| 19:17.55 | tarzeau | Lee__: well it's for morphix, but yes, it's quite some magic stuff |
| 19:18.11 | tarzeau | Lee__: i have no idea, but i was able to produce gnustep live cd with it ;) |
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| 19:18.36 | prozureus | valdyn, can you tell me about marillat too? |
| 19:18.38 | Lee__ | tarzeau: I'm mostly concerned with JACK support, which will require some kernel hacking. |
| 19:18.38 | nipplesrulz | ok how do i find out if i have this i2c bus im seeing in the ls-sensors package? |
| 19:19.05 | streuner | nippelsrulz: did you run 'sensors-detect'? |
| 19:19.07 | tarzeau | Lee__: i see. oh that'll be hard thing then (not with ibuild) |
| 19:19.21 | syntaxis | prozureus: just do: /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 19:19.22 | streuner | nippeli_: did you run 'sensors-detect'? |
| 19:19.27 | prozureus | syntaxis, thanks. |
| 19:19.30 | valdyn | prozureus: "/msg dpkg marillat" <- type that in your irc client |
| 19:19.31 | prozureus | been a while since I was in here. |
| 19:19.34 | prozureus | thanks valdyn |
| 19:19.50 | Lee__ | dpkg is ver nice |
| 19:20.04 | streuner | dpkg, thanks |
| 19:20.04 | dpkg | streuner: de nada |
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| 19:21.07 | smhar | valdyn, I already have marillant in my sources.list |
| 19:21.20 | chicken_man | want to learn C++ ? then take a look at my fast and easy free C++ guide part 1 out NOW. http://chickenman.zapto.org/apache2-default/pro/cpp.php |
| 19:21.30 | Ronin | bah more spammers |
| 19:21.37 | tarzeau | chicken_man: who wants to learn it? |
| 19:21.41 | valdyn | smhar: and still have not started "gmplayer" ? |
| 19:21.51 | tarzeau | chicken_man: we want to learn Objective-C |
| 19:21.53 | chicken_man | tarzeau, lot's of people |
| 19:21.58 | tarzeau | chicken_man: bullshit |
| 19:22.05 | chicken_man | tarzeau, :O |
| 19:22.30 | tarzeau | chicken_man: and it's a c++ compiler, not a windows or unix compiler |
| 19:22.37 | tarzeau | chicken_man: and can't you put your stuff as html? |
| 19:22.40 | smhar | valdyn, ohh :-) sos it is gmplayer.. I was searching for kmplayer cus I use kde :-) |
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| 19:22.46 | spiekey | hello |
| 19:22.52 | chicken_man | tarzeau, ehhhh |
| 19:22.57 | tarzeau | chicken_man: or RTF, because pdf and openoffice sucks |
| 19:23.03 | spiekey | i just installed hylafax, and when i want to send a fax, it asks for a passwd :/ |
| 19:23.10 | adexta | who has any thoughts here on ubuntu? |
| 19:23.11 | adexta | because i'm looking at it seriously |
| 19:23.19 | tarzeau | adexta: it doesn't belong here. nobody cares |
| 19:23.30 | chicken_man | tarzeau, i don't have time to do it in HTML maby .RTF though |
| 19:23.44 | smhar | valdyn, plus.. I didn't see it in the kde menu |
| 19:23.46 | travisat | openoffice doesn't suck |
| 19:23.50 | tarzeau | travisat: yes it sucks badly |
| 19:24.00 | travisat | no it doesn't |
| 19:24.01 | doub | !start an editor war |
| 19:24.02 | dpkg | xemacs is known to cause ulcers |
| 19:24.02 | chicken_man | i agree openoffice is very good |
| 19:24.07 | travisat | it has its purposes |
| 19:24.09 | chealer | heh, an editor |
| 19:24.16 | tarzeau | worst editor ever |
| 19:24.17 | doub | !start an office suite war |
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| 19:24.22 | travisat | openoffice isn't an editor |
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| 19:24.33 | tarzeau | doub: that should be half assed office suite |
| 19:24.36 | chicken_man | it is |
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| 19:24.40 | abrotman | travisat: yes it is |
| 19:24.42 | abrotman | part of it is |
| 19:24.47 | doub | travisat: just searching for the factoid |
| 19:24.50 | chicken_man | i like Kate editer for KDE :P |
| 19:25.04 | chealer | kate is for coding |
| 19:25.09 | travisat | is Microsoft |
| 19:25.15 | travisat | Office an editor |
| 19:25.17 | chicken_man | yea i do a lot of codeing |
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| 19:25.32 | tarzeau | chicken_man: i think kate is for other things... http://images.google.ch/images?q=kate&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=de&btnG=Google-Suche |
| 19:25.34 | doub | tarzeau: are you angry at office suites in general, or just openoffice? |
| 19:25.42 | valdyn | !dict edit |
| 19:25.43 | tarzeau | doub: just bad ones, like openoffice |
| 19:25.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'edit' Edit \Ed"it\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Edited; p. pr. & vb. n. Editing.] [F. ['e]diter, or L. editus, p. p. of edere to give out, put forth, publish; e out + dare to give. See Date a point of time.] To superintend the publication of; to revise and prepare for publication; to select, correct, arrange, etc., the matter of, for publication; as, to edit a newspaper. |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | travisat: it can be .. you use word to edit documents don't you? |
| 19:26.09 | chicken_man | HA HA lol |
| 19:26.13 | abrotman | just like you use OO.o writer to edit docs |
| 19:26.18 | doub | tarzeau: what would be a good one then ? i'd tend to bash the whole idea, but that's not the point |
| 19:26.25 | tarzeau | that's an office suite: http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications#Lighthouse_Design |
| 19:26.27 | travisat | I use vim to write stuff |
| 19:26.29 | Lee__ | I use strings to read MS Word docs |
| 19:26.39 | tarzeau | Lee__: i use antiword |
| 19:26.59 | travisat | openoffice allows one to format,present,publish |
| 19:27.06 | chicken_man | yes :P |
| 19:27.09 | tarzeau | travisat: it's very bad presenting tool |
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| 19:27.29 | travisat | compared to what |
| 19:27.34 | tarzeau | travisat: http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications#Lighthouse_Design |
| 19:27.36 | chicken_man | yea lol |
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| 19:28.15 | NeoBREED | hello |
| 19:28.58 | tarzeau | dpkg ubuntu chicken_man |
| 19:28.59 | BadMan | what package would I need to get "equivs-build" |
| 19:29.02 | pipeline | travisat, tarzeau : I hate to feed tarzeau the troll, but NeXT really did have an obscene number of applications given how small the platform was. |
| 19:29.07 | tarzeau | BadMan: packages.debian.org |
| 19:29.14 | greycat | BadMan: equivs |
| 19:29.26 | BadMan | greycat: thanks... |
| 19:30.08 | pipeline | travisat, tarzeau : At its peak, the NeXTstep installed base was probably less than fifty thousand seats, but it had literally thousands of ISV applications. We're talking an application for every ten users here. Totally nuts. |
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| 19:30.31 | tarzeau | pipeline: why do you call me troll? |
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| 19:30.43 | pipeline | tarzeau: Because you love GNUstep to an irrational extent :P |
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| 19:30.49 | chicken_man | LOL |
| 19:30.59 | pipeline | tarzeau: Speaking of GNUstep, have you heard about Cocoa# ? |
| 19:31.08 | tarzeau | chicken_man: www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 19:31.17 | Rawplayer | http://img246.echo.cx/img246/1931/emperorbenedict6lw.jpg |
| 19:31.18 | Rawplayer | :? |
| 19:31.24 | travisat | hmm looks interesting, but how is it different from openoffice |
| 19:31.27 | tarzeau | pipeline: i know Cocoa , but Cocoa# is a joke, if you mean the .net stuff... |
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| 19:31.45 | tarzeau | pipeline: you tried objective-c and cocoa (application and foundation kits)? |
| 19:31.56 | chicken_man | HA HA |
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| 19:32.07 | pipeline | tarzeau: I have no interest in objective C. |
| 19:32.14 | chicken_man | C++ mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:32.27 | tarzeau | pipeline: but .net and c# ? |
| 19:32.31 | mwelsh | speaking of macochism |
| 19:32.37 | mwelsh | masochism |
| 19:32.56 | pipeline | tarzeau: C# is a pretty nice language. It's like a less brain-damaged java. And calling out to C with p/invoke is a great deal easier than JNI. |
| 19:33.28 | pipeline | It's not my favorite language, but it's garbage collected, there's lots of libraries, and there's a large installed base. |
| 19:33.32 | abrotman | pipeline: have you tried java5? |
| 19:33.32 | chicken_man | im trying to learn tcp\ip :O |
| 19:33.33 | tarzeau | pipeline: but what good does you a language if you don't have some fantasticly, well designed, excellent frameworks? |
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| 19:33.53 | pipeline | tarzeau: I *do* have good frameworks, that's why I'm willing to use C# at all. |
| 19:34.20 | tarzeau | pipeline: and you write what kind of stuff with it? not graphical applications, is it? |
| 19:34.22 | pipeline | abrotman: Java 1.5? I didn't manage to get very excited about java generics. I don't do this for a living, you know. I don't /have/ to use java, therefore I rarely use java. |
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| 19:34.26 | pipeline | tarzeau: But of course. |
| 19:34.37 | tarzeau | pipeline: top secret or can you show off something? |
| 19:34.44 | abrotman | pipeline: so what you're saying is that you're not really qualified to talk about the subject :) |
| 19:34.45 | chicken_man | :) |
| 19:34.50 | tarzeau | pipeline: have you read the booz-allen study about nextstep? |
| 19:34.51 | pipeline | abrotman: Yup. |
| 19:34.59 | abrotman | pipeline: but you're spouting anyway? |
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| 19:35.22 | pipeline | abrotman: JNI is a pain in the ass, and there's no reason for it to be as complex as it is. |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | pipeline: why are you telling me about JNI? |
| 19:35.57 | paulswm | We used NextStep fro a project about 10 years ago. It's difficult to say which sucked most, NextStep itself or the awful aupport |
| 19:36.08 | pipeline | abrotman: That was my complaint about java just a minute ago that raised your hackles |
| 19:36.08 | paulswm | s/aupport/support/ |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | pipeline: oh .. just that i've heard both sides many times .. but even c# devs say java5 is pretty damn nice |
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| 19:36.47 | abrotman | i've used both .. didn't really care for either of them |
| 19:36.58 | Althaser | can someone help me ? please xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 19:37.00 | chicken_man | Java = rubbish (mind you i haven't tryed it) |
| 19:37.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh -- for the purpose I have in mind (writing an actual end-user application) java would be highly unsuitable, as not very many people have java-gnome installed. |
| 19:37.10 | pipeline | chicken_man: I assure you that Java is not rubbish. |
| 19:37.16 | chicken_man | hmmm |
| 19:37.29 | chicken_man | if it's any easyer than C++ ill try it lol |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | pipeline: not very many people have GTK# installed |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:37.44 | abrotman | or mono |
| 19:37.45 | tarzeau | chicken_man: i'd just like to put you on the grill |
| 19:37.45 | pipeline | chicken_man: It's certainly better than C++. That is Java's explicit purpose: To be harder to fuck up. |
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| 19:37.56 | paulswm | C++ is an awful hack |
| 19:37.59 | pipeline | abrotman: Yes, but it's very easy to install it. You don't have to register for a Sun account or fuck with a click-through license. |
| 19:37.59 | doub | pipeline: you can try python with wxwidgets |
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| 19:38.15 | chicken_man | i use python :P |
| 19:38.17 | pipeline | doub: Python is a comedy option. |
| 19:38.25 | Nunez | im trying to install Debian 3.0 Testing on my Dell Inspiration 8000 and when the dvd boots, and goes to "Starting PC card services" it freezes? |
| 19:38.26 | tarzeau | chicken_man: i've got a python in my pants! |
| 19:38.27 | paulswm | HAH |
| 19:38.27 | abrotman | pipeline: i suppose .. but java-gtk is probably pretty damn nice .. why not just write it in python? .. or use wxwindows? |
| 19:38.32 | chicken_man | he he |
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| 19:38.36 | mwelsh | haskell |
| 19:38.44 | mwelsh | just try it |
| 19:38.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: wxwindows hehe ;) |
| 19:38.45 | pipeline | abrotman: I do not like wxwindows and python is totally unsuitable. |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | not really .. but whatever |
| 19:39.06 | doub | pipeline: you prefer java? |
| 19:39.06 | pipeline | I have fooled with python more than I would care to fool with python. Good lord do I hate it. |
| 19:39.17 | chicken_man | i prefer things that are easy to learn ;) |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | pipeline: you've already stated you're unqualified in this area :) |
| 19:39.39 | kevin06 | I am having an issue with my display resolution. It is currently at 800x600, but I am able to support 1280x1200. Can someone help me change this? |
| 19:39.45 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm unqualified to hate java. I've done the python thing and I don't want to do it again :P |
| 19:39.46 | abrotman | i could show you all a language that would make you fear for your lives :) |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | ask paulswm |
| 19:39.53 | pipeline | abrotman: What language is that? |
| 19:40.02 | doub | chicken_man: being easy won't help you doing serious things |
| 19:40.08 | paulswm | pipeline is obiously qualified to hate python, though |
| 19:40.10 | chicken_man | i know that lol |
| 19:40.12 | pipeline | doub: Python and java are not in the same class of languages, dude. |
| 19:40.23 | doub | pipeline: in what respect ? |
| 19:40.36 | chicken_man | i like C++ |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | pipeline: it's a proprietarty language .. i'm sure you've never seen it |
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| 19:41.05 | Pappa | java is this utterly crappy over-verbose annoying language, while python may be sort of neat. |
| 19:41.10 | Pappa | !start a language war |
| 19:41.10 | dpkg | BASIC is more efficient than C |
| 19:41.11 | mwelsh | C++ is very good at taking a simple problem and making it really hard and time consuming |
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| 19:41.21 | chicken_man | BASIC HA HAHA |
| 19:41.22 | pipeline | C++: Just enough rope to hang yourself. |
| 19:41.38 | Pappa | basic rocks |
| 19:41.43 | abrotman | c++ : makes it harder to shoot yourself in the foot .. but when you do .. you take your whole leg |
| 19:41.45 | Pappa | my c64 is still kickin' |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | see |
| 19:41.54 | pipeline | QBasic is pretty damn useful inside a limited problem domain. |
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| 19:42.10 | chicken_man | basic to simple i walked over that and made a number of games :P |
| 19:42.12 | pipeline | It's less painful than batch files, it runs on DOS, and there's lots of support for it. |
| 19:42.12 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 19:42.13 | paulswm | doub: C is easy to learn, and I don't suppose that you think that one can't do serious things in C |
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| 19:42.45 | mwelsh | in .net, all languages have the same efficiency |
| 19:42.47 | pipeline | chicken_man: I suggest you learn a less hilariously bad language than C++. |
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| 19:42.57 | doub | paulswm: some people object to this that C uses pointers, and they seem to be religiously against pointers. sounds like satan to them |
| 19:43.00 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 19:43.00 | dpkg | Python is more readable than Haskell |
| 19:43.01 | mwelsh | so vb.net actually is the same performance as vc++ |
| 19:43.06 | pipeline | doub: Pointers aren't C's problem. |
| 19:43.24 | abrotman | doub: that's because they don't know how to use them |
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| 19:43.26 | chicken_man | python not bad but it's still no where near as good as C |
| 19:43.32 | gds | hi |
| 19:43.32 | pipeline | doub: Pointers aren't a problem until you get into C++ :P |
| 19:43.40 | chicken_man | c++ is a fast language |
| 19:43.43 | pipeline | chicken_man: Python and C are not used in the same problem domains. At least they shouldn't be. |
| 19:43.45 | gds | Can i add sarge repository to my ubuntu? |
| 19:43.51 | abrotman | not a good idea |
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| 19:43.55 | pipeline | gds: #ubunt |
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| 19:44.11 | pipeline | gds: You should probably upgrade entirely to debian or entirely to ubuntu. MIxing the two is painful. Ask the #ubuntu folks. |
| 19:44.19 | chicken_man | as long as you can take the hours debugging C++ you should be fine :) |
| 19:44.25 | paulswm | doub: Using pointers is in many cases like giving a small child a loaded gun: sooner or later, it's going to go off, and someone is probably going to get hurt :) |
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| 19:44.52 | gds | pipeline, I want to add just argouml |
| 19:44.54 | chicken_man | lol |
| 19:44.54 | doub | abrotman: i've spend 2 years in a CS technical school. first language : C. 177 people out of 180 never ever wanted to use C or C++, because of pointers. but they were by and large taught what a pointer is. |
| 19:45.25 | doub | abrotman: that's what makes me think this is more a religious hate than a rational one |
| 19:45.31 | abrotman | doub: that's thier problem .. prejudice is bad .. even in programming languages .. i've used a lot of them .. and there are only a few that truly suck .. |
| 19:45.37 | paulswm | doub: But I have alsways loved C and FORTRAN, but I'm an old programmer, so my preference is not often for new fangled pinko computer science languages :) |
| 19:45.54 | abrotman | doub: it's religious .. not rational .. people properly trained to use pointers .. do very well with them |
| 19:45.56 | chicken_man | ewww FORTRAN |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | paulswm: i learned RPG :) |
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| 19:46.14 | chicken_man | rpg :\ |
| 19:46.16 | gds | How can I install fonts for gtk 1.x applications? |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | and i'm not nearly as old as paulswm |
| 19:46.19 | Nunez | i need to learn C, but damn, does it take time! |
| 19:46.24 | paulswm | abrotman: I did too, but didn't get to use it that much |
| 19:46.37 | valdyn | gds: same as for any other framework |
| 19:46.38 | chealer | gds: this is a debian support channel |
| 19:46.41 | abrotman | paulswm: it was for uni .. cobol/rpg/snobol .. all kinds of fun stuff |
| 19:46.44 | prozureus | It's like they say... Rome - total war wasn't built in a day. |
| 19:47.02 | abrotman | gds: if you need ubuntu support .. go to #ubuntu .. otherwise .. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:47.06 | paulswm | abrotman: Oh, and thanks for the age plug :) |
| 19:47.08 | valdyn | gds: apt-get install <fonts> |
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| 19:47.18 | abrotman | paulswm: yes .. but admit it .. RPG is old .. |
| 19:47.20 | doub | Nunez: take the reference "the c programming language" book by its creators k&r, and follow instructions |
| 19:47.27 | doub | Nunez: that's not that long |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't think anyone has bothered with a compiler for linux |
| 19:47.35 | Nunez | doub: I have it |
| 19:47.49 | dambodog_ | is there a way to install rpm's on a debian machine (understood that it is a bad way to go) |
| 19:47.50 | chicken_man | C++ is easy once you get your head around the code |
| 19:47.59 | doub | dambodog_: alien is your friend |
| 19:48.01 | Nunez | paulswm is like 75 |
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| 19:48.13 | paulswm | Nunez: Nooooooo |
| 19:48.13 | gds | abrotman, I joined also #ubuntu... Ubuntu and debian are brothers :-) |
| 19:48.15 | Nunez | lol |
| 19:48.24 | kevin06 | dambodog: Convert it using Alien. |
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| 19:48.31 | abrotman | gds: not quite |
| 19:48.48 | abrotman | more like the uncle noone talks to |
| 19:49.07 | prozureus | heh |
| 19:49.12 | doub | abrotman: they do share most of their code, so that makes them brothers, doesn't it ? |
| 19:49.23 | abrotman | doub: share with who? |
| 19:49.27 | gds | abrotman, what's differences, after installing them? |
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| 19:49.38 | chicken_man | ubuntu |
| 19:49.38 | abrotman | gds: see ian murdocks recent rants |
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| 19:49.42 | abrotman | among others |
| 19:49.43 | Danjer | n |
| 19:49.44 | chealer | doub: do you really share stuff with your brother? |
| 19:49.45 | prozureus | Humans share the fact that they have arms and legs with most other humans.. that makes them the same right? |
| 19:49.56 | abrotman | i was born |
| 19:50.00 | chealer | I can talk with experience that my sister won't do that :) |
| 19:50.01 | abrotman | nothing exciting .. that i know of anyways |
| 19:50.05 | doub | chealer: yes, what's the problem ? |
| 19:50.13 | mwelsh | how do you configure a new sound card in sarge? |
| 19:50.29 | mwelsh | the card is in the machine |
| 19:50.29 | gds | abrotman, could you pass me the link? |
| 19:50.37 | chicken_man | http://chickenman.zapto.org/apache2-default/pro/cpp.php |
| 19:50.41 | drac | mwelsh: apt-get install alsa-base && alsaconf ? |
| 19:50.46 | doub | chealer: i bet going older resolves these issues |
| 19:50.55 | abrotman | gds: it was on slashdot iirc .. if not .. uhm .. planet.debian.net ... look on the right side for Ian Murdock .. go to his site |
| 19:51.17 | dambodog_ | doub, thanks. |
| 19:51.18 | chealer | abrotman: you should have added it to the factoid :) |
| 19:51.24 | abrotman | chealer: noone wanted me to |
| 19:51.26 | abrotman | i still can |
| 19:51.28 | chealer | doub: you're too old :) |
| 19:51.34 | mwelsh | ok, i got that |
| 19:51.42 | mh_le | what is the name of the X11 development package? |
| 19:52.10 | paulswm | gds: re. ubuntu and debian: a water melon is 99% water, but that does not make it only 1% different from a cloud |
| 19:52.10 | doub | chealer: not that much. i bet if i'd be more mature, i would not stay here long =) |
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| 19:52.32 | abrotman | gds: http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html |
| 19:52.33 | gds | abrotman, philosophical questions don't concern me :-) |
| 19:52.35 | prozureus | paulswm, better analogy than mine ;) |
| 19:52.35 | abrotman | chealer: feel free |
| 19:52.36 | chealer | doub: ok, then your sister is too old |
| 19:52.43 | abrotman | chealer: he also has a newer response today |
| 19:52.48 | paulswm | doub: You have to grow old, but you *don't* have to grow up :) |
| 19:52.55 | chealer | abrotman: oh, on slashdot too? |
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| 19:53.04 | doub | chealer: brother. but maybe you're right |
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| 19:53.23 | paulswm | prozureus: Naaah, yours was good |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | chealer: i don't think it made it to slashdot yet |
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| 19:54.09 | gds | paulswm, I use debian on server and I used debian for many years on my laptop... since one month I use ubuntu |
| 19:54.18 | doub | streuner: how did you feel by then ? |
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| 19:54.57 | abrotman | erm .. Ian is calling for a time based release cycle for debian |
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| 19:55.18 | paulswm | gds: I don't have anything against ubuntu, but it doesn't correspond to a debian release |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000258.html |
| 19:55.55 | streuner | doub: at the moment? like Kennedy and Hendrix together ;-) |
| 19:55.56 | doub | abrotman: i've heard people say that ian murdock is only anoyed about sarge because of business issues with progeny |
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| 19:56.29 | gds | paulswm, you're right, but debian packages fit on ubuntu |
| 19:56.30 | abrotman | doub: could be possible .. i'd more advocate a base freeze cycle .. .. like say .. 9 months after a release .. we freeze base .. and release asap |
| 19:56.45 | greycat | gds: you're on your own with it, though. we can't support it. |
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| 19:57.11 | chealer | so, Ian is saying Ubuntu is a son |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | i guess |
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| 19:57.27 | doub | abrotman: like, hum, ubuntu does ? :) |
| 19:57.32 | abrotman | doub: well .. not really |
| 19:57.34 | paulswm | abrotman: That's a very good link, thanx |
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| 19:57.57 | abrotman | doub: they just freeze and release afaik .. i mean .. freeze base .. get your shit in ... fix bugs .. but if it takes 2 years after a base freeze .. then that's what it takes |
| 19:58.00 | gds | ok greycat |
| 19:58.12 | chealer | will the father die earlier that the son? O_o |
| 19:58.33 | paulswm | gds: As long as they work, and no dependencies are broken by installing packages from debian distros on ubuntu, that's great. |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | paulswm: which ? or both? |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | doub: you disagree? |
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| 19:59.16 | paulswm | abrotman: The Ian one |
| 19:59.20 | doub | abrotman: no |
| 19:59.33 | paulswm | abrotman: ubuntu vs debian, reprise |
| 19:59.36 | prozureus | let's hope there is some filicide involved. |
| 19:59.36 | valdyn | gds: ubuntu use a different compiler - if that works thats merely coincidence or luck |
| 19:59.50 | chealer | abrotman: yeah. you remember that sarge was supposed to take even longer... |
| 19:59.55 | doub | abrotman: i was thinking about the DPL chats i've heard about, where quite every candidate stated that debian's size is not a problem |
| 20:00.11 | greycat | !overfiendsphallus |
| 20:00.12 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 20:00.22 | doub | abrotman: but having a base freeze, as you point out, would really make things simpler, i guess |
| 20:00.23 | valdyn | gds: for example, if you mix debian / ubuntu c++ coded things, youll run into problems ( i think ) |
| 20:00.26 | kromagg | does anybody know why exim4 might not be using /etc/email-adresses? |
| 20:00.27 | chealer | doub: what do you mean by debian's size? |
| 20:00.39 | kromagg | I just can't seem to get the rewriting to work |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | paulswm: there were two :) |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | chealer: it did :) |
| 20:00.59 | doub | chealer: number of packages, mainly. i don't know enough about debian people/relationship to say anything about this |
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| 20:01.33 | abrotman | no .. i don't mean sections are frozen .. i mean .. freeze the base ... then pull the other portions together (no RC bugs) for a formal release |
| 20:01.52 | chealer | doub: hum, I don't understand how that would be a problem. you mean for releasing? |
| 20:02.08 | gds | valdyn, paulswm, I want to install a java package :-) |
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| 20:02.10 | doub | chealer: yes, and for security updates |
| 20:02.29 | doub | chealer: monitoring 13000 package for vulnerabilities is a huge task |
| 20:02.35 | chealer | doub: security updates...because it takes more security responsibles? |
| 20:02.54 | chealer | yes, that's quite obvious |
| 20:02.55 | KinxofSepluv | "apt-get install java-common" I think should install it Gds |
| 20:03.03 | doub | chealer: i don't think the problem can scale to the number of people in the security team |
| 20:03.29 | chealer | doub: ah, I guess I don't understand then |
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| 20:04.01 | doub | chealer: because there will obviously be quite unused packages in those 13000, where it's harder to find vulnerabilities |
| 20:04.44 | doub | chealer: so vulnerability exposure, if any, will be narrower, i bet, than that of apache, for example |
| 20:04.51 | chealer | it's not a matter of finding vulnerabilities, it's to fix known ones timely. after all, it's not OpenBSD :) |
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| 20:06.10 | doub | chealer: of course. but going back to the general size problem, i think it would be better to have a rock solid base, where everyone concentrate its efforts, because it benefits everyone |
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| 20:06.24 | chealer | doub: hah |
| 20:06.33 | doub | chealer: and leave specialized packages unsupported |
| 20:06.45 | chealer | open source development doesn't really work like that |
| 20:06.52 | doub | chealer: or not guaranteed to work |
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| 20:07.34 | nite613 | ls |
| 20:07.37 | nite613 | doh! |
| 20:07.52 | valdyn | doub: each debian package exists b/c someone wanted to package it. Each security fix happens for the same reason. Disallowing someone to support its favourite unused application will *not* help any other app get more support |
| 20:08.05 | chealer | doub: that's pretty much the current situation anyway. no package is guaranteed to work |
| 20:08.09 | furrywolf | anyone else having problems with .11.7 using 100% cpu to read cds (from ide drives) for no reason? I can burn them at 52x, but can't read cds or dvds at over 0.5x or so, with 100% cpu used... |
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| 20:08.38 | chr1s | hey, does anyone know how I can downstep my processor? |
| 20:08.47 | kristiank | can anybody help me installing nvidia video driver on a sarge ? Where are the kernel source ? |
| 20:08.50 | chealer | doub: I've seen a package with "This software is alpha, don't expect it to work" in the README |
| 20:08.55 | furrywolf | chr1s: send me yours; I'll send you back a slower one. |
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| 20:09.00 | chealer | !tell kristiank about nvidia-howto |
| 20:09.08 | valdyn | chr1s: does it support frequency scaling? |
| 20:09.15 | chr1s | yeah, I think so |
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| 20:09.22 | doub | valdyn: that's not my point. what i mean is, have a released, triple checked, rc-less base system, and another not so formally endorsed. but where anyone can triple check if he wants or has to |
| 20:09.24 | KinxofSepluv | !tell KinxofSepluv about tvtuners |
| 20:09.32 | valdyn | chr1s: do you want to scale manually or let a daemon do it automatically |
| 20:09.39 | KinxofSepluv | Worth a try |
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| 20:09.41 | KinxofSepluv | =\ |
| 20:09.43 | chr1s | well, my system gets too hot |
| 20:09.48 | chealer | !tell KinxofSepluv about msg the bot |
| 20:09.50 | chr1s | but only when compiling |
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| 20:10.09 | chr1s | so I want to do it manually before I'm going to compile something |
| 20:10.24 | gothtec | How can I get the ip addresses of the users currently connected to an sshd on my box? |
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| 20:10.42 | Nosf3ratu | gothtec, w |
| 20:10.43 | furrywolf | goth: netstat |
| 20:10.46 | chr1s | valdyn: how do I do it? |
| 20:10.46 | chealer | kristiank: and you don't need kernel sources |
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| 20:12.03 | gothtec | Nosf3ratu: I tried that... some of the lines have appropriate ip addresses, but others are like this one: "nwadmin pts/2 ktv21-246-96:S.0 Sat13 3:36m 2days 0.00s /bin/bash" and that ktv21-246-96:S.0 doesn't really help a lot :( |
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| 20:12.15 | ignatz | does anyone know a good howto for serial console ? im trying to connect 2 servers via serial line but cant find any decent documentation |
| 20:12.29 | doub | ignatz: serial howto on tldp.org |
| 20:12.34 | ignatz | thx |
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| 20:13.04 | doub | ignatz: wait, i think it's even 'serial console howto' |
| 20:13.19 | chealer | doub: I don't really understand what you mean about triple-checked stuff |
| 20:13.23 | ignatz | i found it doub |
| 20:13.26 | ignatz | thanks :) |
| 20:13.28 | valdyn | chr1s: load the appropriate modules from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpufreq and additionally from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/cpufreq the cpufreq_userspace module |
| 20:13.29 | mihaly | I compiled a kernel and made it into a debian package and installed it and later discovered that i missed a litle thing in the kernel that i had to add.... I wanto uninstall the old kernal in some way or will it just be overwriten by the new one? |
| 20:13.44 | kristiank | chealer: I am surprised, but I'll read the doc you indicate first. thanks |
| 20:13.50 | doub | chealer: RC bug-free, and as bug free as possible |
| 20:13.53 | valdyn | chr1s: look into these directories, the names of the modules are quite verbose for the most part |
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| 20:14.15 | chr1s | valdyn: there is no cpufreq module |
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| 20:14.31 | valdyn | chr1s: what i gave you was _directories_, not modules |
| 20:14.31 | chr1s | valdyn: when I try to manually compile my kernel the system shuts down |
| 20:14.49 | britt | can anybody tell me what the best way to get a photosmart 1315 printer to work in debian |
| 20:14.59 | chealer | doub: of course it will be as bug-free *as possible* |
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| 20:15.14 | streuner | britt: inkjet USB? |
| 20:15.16 | chr1s | valdyn: there are 2 modules in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel# |
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| 20:15.19 | britt | yup |
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| 20:15.27 | chr1s | valdyn: those are apm.o and edd.o |
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| 20:15.35 | streuner | !tell britt about hpinkjet install |
| 20:15.37 | joeschmoe | I have bf2.4 and kernel 2.6 i386 installed on another machine, and the mouse works fine, however when i switch over to the a64 kernel the mouse jumps around and randomly hits buttons |
| 20:15.55 | britt | did that...and it wouldnt install either |
| 20:15.58 | valdyn | chr1s: and a folder called "cpufreq" |
| 20:16.03 | mihaly | anyone? |
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| 20:16.23 | streuner | britt: so what doesn't work? |
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| 20:16.36 | britt | streuner: it won't detect the printer |
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| 20:16.41 | CyL | How do I make my mouse wheel work? |
| 20:16.46 | streuner | britt: vis syslog? |
| 20:16.47 | britt | i even downloaded the hpijm too |
| 20:16.58 | Overfiend | greycat: it's a damn good thing I mentioned the version number when I said that, or people'd think it was a recent quote :) |
| 20:16.58 | valdyn | chr1s: oh, i oversaw this, frequency scaling may not be supported on 2.4.x kernels, i dont know that |
| 20:17.01 | Overfiend | oh, wait |
| 20:17.03 | joeschmoe | anybody have any ideas for me? |
| 20:17.05 | Overfiend | that would imply Debian released recently |
| 20:17.10 | Overfiend | which everyone knows it hasn't. |
| 20:17.12 | Overfiend | So no fear :) |
| 20:17.12 | streuner | britt: what does 'lsusb' say? |
| 20:17.18 | chr1s | Is it possible to install a 2.6 kernel with apt-get |
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| 20:17.32 | Paganist | Hi everyone, i need to compile iproute2 but i get a bunch of errors, i have read the README file but it is not clear to me. there is no configure file, may someone help me to determine which lib or so is missing ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/aasJlf89.html |
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| 20:17.44 | valdyn | chr1s: sure, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 20:17.47 | britt | so there IS a way to get my printer working? |
| 20:17.49 | thingfish | Hey Overfiend, congratulations on getting elected. |
| 20:17.51 | streuner | Overfiend: if you act like the last time i have no fear then :-P |
| 20:17.51 | doub | chealer: that's not obvious (think about quick and dirty programming). but thats not the point anyway |
| 20:17.59 | valdyn | chr1s: and pick one that suits you |
| 20:17.59 | britt | i just wanna keep debian on my machine |
| 20:17.59 | gothtec | How can I get the ip addresses of the users currently connected to an sshd on my box? I need some kind of a list output I can use in the program I'm making. |
| 20:17.59 | Delph | win 2 |
| 20:18.00 | britt | brb |
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| 20:18.03 | Overfiend | thingfish: thanks! |
| 20:18.10 | joeschmoe | I have bf2.4 and kernel 2.6 i386 installed on another machine, and the mouse works fine, however when i switch over to the a64 kernel the mouse jumps around and randomly hits buttons |
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| 20:18.48 | overflow | Hi, I installed TUTOS on Sarge and works fine but I cann't access from other address than localhost |
| 20:19.00 | Paganist | joeschmoe: i had this too and i installed gpm then, since i had no problem |
| 20:19.09 | Overfiend | streuner: Oh, I'm sure that if I can sarge to release on my watch I will definitely strut and preen a bit :) |
| 20:19.15 | Overfiend | s/can/& get/ |
| 20:19.19 | greycat | preening is permitted. |
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| 20:19.36 | valdyn | gothtec: the info given by "who" isnt good enough? |
| 20:19.36 | Ovidio_ | hola |
| 20:19.37 | dondelelcaro | overflow: you probably only have totus listening on localhost. Modify it's configuration file to bind to 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:19.42 | joeschmoe | Paganist, I'll give that a shot, maybe it'll map my mouse for me automatically, thanks:) |
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| 20:19.53 | Paganist | yw |
| 20:19.55 | Overfiend | waaiiit a second |
| 20:20.06 | Henning | When typing "dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules source" I see no option to select the atiusb driver that I want to use. Where does dpkg save it's files, perhaps I can hack it so that the right module gets compiled? |
| 20:20.12 | Overfiend | people have to type SIX characters to disambiguate my nick? |
| 20:20.13 | Henning | lirc-modules-source I mean. |
| 20:20.23 | directhex | Henning, atiusb? |
| 20:20.24 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: nah... three... O<tab><tab> |
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| 20:20.29 | gothtec | valdyn: doesn't seem like it... "nwadmin pts/2 Apr 16 13:43 (ktv21-246-96:S.0)" <-- that's one of the lines. the guy logs in from somewhere in hungary, and his ip address shows up as a bunch of letters... |
| 20:20.36 | Overfiend | dondelelcaro: quiet! I'm trying to be intimidating! |
| 20:20.37 | greycat | Overfiend: you just have to talk more than he does. |
| 20:20.39 | overflow | Overfiend, he |
| 20:20.40 | Henning | directhex: Yes, I have a usb remote control that needs the lirc_atiusb driver. |
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| 20:20.48 | directhex | Henning, an ati remote wonder? |
| 20:21.00 | Overfiend | dondelelcaro: what, ya think I'm gonna like, all, *humanize* this channel and stuff? |
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| 20:21.04 | valdyn | gothtec: who --lookup |
| 20:21.13 | Henning | directhex: No, sapphire remote bob II, the ati_remote kernel module won't work. |
| 20:21.13 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: oh, right. BRING ON THE SODOMOTRON! |
| 20:21.14 | greycat | you can't humanize us. we're all bots. |
| 20:21.18 | streuner | Overfiend: haha |
| 20:21.25 | mihaly | exit |
| 20:21.29 | overflow | dondelelcaro, I got a forbidden access ... but the apache.conf that tutos installed seems tobe ok |
| 20:21.29 | gothtec | valdyn: no difference :( |
| 20:21.45 | furrywolf | :P |
| 20:21.53 | Henning | directhex: I checked the source for the lirc_atiusb driver and it seems to define the device codes listet by lsusb, so I assume my device will be recognized if I get that module to build. |
| 20:21.57 | dondelelcaro | overflow: ok... you probably have an Allow/Deny statement that is only allowing things from localhost then. |
| 20:22.06 | greycat | furrywolf: sounds... expensive. |
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| 20:22.12 | greycat | and perhaps a bit painful |
| 20:22.29 | dondelelcaro | overflow: that's the typical method of restricting access on apache... (the other is by having the script return a 403 itself... dunno if tutos does that.) |
| 20:22.35 | Henning | directhex: The problem is I'd like to follow the make-kpkg procedure as listet in the documentation, but I have no idea where it finds out what modules to actually compile. |
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| 20:23.02 | gothtec | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 20:23.06 | directhex | Henning, buggered if i know, i like module-assistant for my non-kernel module compilation |
| 20:23.11 | overflow | dondelelcaro, can I paste the apache.conf in priv? it's only 10 lines long .. |
| 20:23.12 | dondelelcaro | Henning: anything that's unpacked in the MODULES_DIR gets compiled... |
| 20:23.17 | dondelelcaro | overflow: use the paster bot |
| 20:23.19 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 20:23.20 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 20:23.21 | k-dog | Anyone know if calamaris will run reports on < 24h of data? |
| 20:23.26 | overflow | !paster |
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| 20:23.46 | valdyn | gothtec: nope, lookup works for me ( shows the complete dns name ) |
| 20:23.55 | citral | where does this way to write papers with female pronouns like "A user is free to clutter up _her_ own desktop as much as _she_ likes" ? Is it to say "Don't think I'm gay, I prefer women as men" or what ? |
| 20:24.12 | citral | I forgot <comes from> |
| 20:24.14 | gothtec | valdyn: i just want ip's :( |
| 20:24.19 | overflow | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/39 |
| 20:24.26 | prodope | can someone point me to some docs about patching the kernel in debian? (i want to go from 2.6.11.6 to 2.6.11.7) |
| 20:24.37 | prodope | instead of doing a full upgrade |
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| 20:25.21 | Henning | dondelelcaro: I have no idea how I can get it to actually install the lirc_atiusb module in my modules directory though |
| 20:25.24 | overflow | dondelelcaro, what do u think ? |
| 20:25.39 | Wendy | Setting up libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.10-12) ... Error: mod_shapvh.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 20:25.53 | dondelelcaro | overflow: you probably need an Order Allow,Deny\nAllow from all\n or similar. |
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| 20:26.22 | dondelelcaro | Henning: do you have the source tarball for it? |
| 20:26.32 | phaedral | clue request: trying to use nice -n -10 xmms as root gets me some barf about Unable to open display |
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| 20:26.45 | phaedral | man nice didn't help |
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| 20:27.12 | greycat | phaedral: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:27.20 | Henning | dondelelcaro: I have installed the lirc-modules-source, which does install the source tarball yes, I've unpacked it, and tried to follow the instructions in the README. |
| 20:27.22 | overflow | dondelelcaro, nothing :'( |
| 20:27.50 | citral | ok, I'll assume it's simply one of this "politically correct" thing then. |
| 20:27.55 | phaedral | thx greycat |
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| 20:28.10 | furrywolf | phaedral: 1) contemplate if you really want to run xmms as root. 2) as your user account, xhost +LOCAL: 3) as root, export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 20:28.18 | dondelelcaro | Henning: ok, and does make-kpkg module_config; do stuff properly? (it's in /usr/src/modules/foobarbaz, right?) |
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| 20:28.48 | greycat | furrywolf: NOT xhost. |
| 20:28.54 | Wendy | Setting up libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.10-12) ... Error: mod_shapvh.so does not have a corresponding .info file. <-- anyone knows whats wrong here? |
| 20:28.59 | greycat | furrywolf: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:29.07 | greycat | Wendy: check the BTS |
| 20:29.13 | furrywolf | greycat: on a single-user system, that should be safe, and is nice and lazy. :) |
| 20:29.16 | dondelelcaro | citral: no, that just means that you're refering to a female. Typically you just avoid using gendered pronouns when they're not actually useful. |
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| 20:29.21 | resiak | furrywolf: No, it's totally unnecessary. |
| 20:29.39 | phaedral | don't really want to run as root, want to nice it so as to reduce hangs and skips |
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| 20:29.50 | phaedral | those are technical terms, of course ;) |
| 20:29.50 | Henning | dondelelcaro: Hmm, hang on. |
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| 20:30.10 | xam | phaedral: so your real problem is that xmms hangs and skips then? |
| 20:30.18 | directhex | greycat, you read my interview with the linspire ceo, where he gave his opinions on running as root, i hope? |
| 20:30.20 | furrywolf | and not using su - means you have to set your path, etc. |
| 20:30.25 | phaedral | furrywolf: learning about the joys of abcde, and toolame :) |
| 20:30.36 | greycat | directhex: no, I skipped that one |
| 20:30.48 | greycat | directhex: I saw the /. first-paragraph summary though |
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| 20:31.24 | phaedral | xam: yes |
| 20:31.28 | directhex | greycat, that was a bit out of context but it was the best way to guarantee the ./, and ./ makes for happy advertising revenue |
| 20:31.33 | directhex | bah |
| 20:31.35 | phaedral | and that i'm not very good at this stuff yet |
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| 20:31.43 | phaedral | ah, but I aspire |
| 20:31.51 | directhex | /., even |
| 20:31.55 | citral | dondelelcaro: but I noticed a lot of papers this last time using "she" instead of "one"... like security ebooks and so, saying "you must understand the reasons why she whould try to hack your box" and so |
| 20:31.59 | kromagg | hmm can anybody tell me how to enable header rewriting in exim4? |
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| 20:32.16 | overflow | dondelelcaro, any other idea? |
| 20:32.21 | furrywolf | ./ -- news for queer geeks? :) |
| 20:32.23 | will | whats the difference between the SMP kernels and non smp kernsl? |
| 20:32.36 | furrywolf | will: SMP is for multiple CPUs. |
| 20:32.39 | streuner | !smp |
| 20:32.40 | dpkg | i guess smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ |
| 20:32.46 | p0p3y3 | somebody can help me, to install gnome 2.8? (debian testing) |
| 20:32.56 | streuner | apt-get install gnome |
| 20:33.04 | will | oh k thx |
| 20:33.20 | furrywolf | if you don't know what SMP is, you probably don't have multiple CPUs. :) |
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| 20:33.23 | citral | so that bringed me to think that it was welcome to use "she" instead of "he" when speaking generally, in english. |
| 20:33.32 | directhex | he might have a hyperthreaded p4 |
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| 20:33.49 | Henning | dondelelcaro: Appearently, yes. I get a good message from that, then I run make-kpkg modules_image, and install the image |
| 20:34.00 | Henning | dondelelcaro: But the module that I'm pretty sure I need isn't in that image.. |
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| 20:34.22 | sorcre | My screen resoltion is stuck at 800x 600. And there are no other options when I try to change it. Any idea how to reconfigure it? |
| 20:34.32 | resiak | !drxx sorcre |
| 20:34.33 | dpkg | sorcre: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:34.41 | l1nux | hi |
| 20:34.41 | citral | sorcre: you have an nvidia? |
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| 20:34.48 | xam | phaedral: what kind of computer are you using (CPU) and what kernel? |
| 20:34.50 | sorcre | thanks |
| 20:35.51 | Varg__ | how do I set up pmount and hal to automatically mount usb sticks? |
| 20:35.59 | phaedral | xam: i should know how to answer that easily, but i don't |
| 20:36.04 | phaedral | intel, fer sure |
| 20:36.20 | xam | phaedral: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:36.21 | phaedral | intel pentium iii |
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| 20:36.31 | l1nux | i have problem, Debian won't umount my reiserfs root on halt |
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| 20:36.39 | monil | hi |
| 20:36.52 | phaedral | pentuim iii coppermine |
| 20:36.58 | xam | phaedral: that should be more than fast enough to play mp3 without skipping ... |
| 20:37.00 | monil | sorry i'm new to debian, when i apt-get install wget i get: |
| 20:37.00 | monil | Need to get 0B/332kB of archives. After unpacking 1233kB will be used. |
| 20:37.00 | monil | Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20031201)' in the drive '/cdrom/ |
| 20:37.01 | l1nux | same problem here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/02/msg00131.html |
| 20:37.05 | monil | can anyone tell me how to make it get it from the net? |
| 20:37.09 | xam | phaedral: what do you do to make it skip? |
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| 20:37.34 | furrywolf | phaedral: are your drives using DMA? |
| 20:37.45 | furrywolf | (hdparm /dev/hda) |
| 20:37.46 | l1nux | i try umont |
| 20:37.50 | CyL | how do I enable the extra buttons in my mouse? |
| 20:37.50 | phaedral | xam: nada, i can be away from the machine and nothing else visible on desktop; doesn't skip so much as give 1/2 second buzz |
| 20:37.57 | l1nux | i try ummount /proc |
| 20:38.00 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 20:38.03 | l1nux | but same :/ |
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| 20:38.35 | l1nux | any idea ? |
| 20:38.45 | furrywolf | oh, and I've discovered that freecraft brakes the .11.7 kernel, so when freecraft is running, you can't mount anything. figure THAT one out. :) |
| 20:38.48 | furrywolf | breaks |
| 20:38.50 | citral | phaedral: did you try to play mp3s with mpg321, to see if it also skips? if not, then it's an xmms problem |
| 20:38.55 | phaedral | yes, using_dma = 1 |
| 20:39.13 | phaedral | citral: no; will try |
| 20:39.17 | furrywolf | or, at least, breaks something on my system... lol |
| 20:39.49 | r00tz | hi |
| 20:39.49 | greycat | furrywolf: hahaha |
| 20:39.54 | r00tz | i apt-get remove php5 |
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| 20:39.57 | r00tz | Error: libphp5.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 20:39.59 | NeoBREED | hi everyone |
| 20:40.00 | r00tz | this error... |
| 20:40.03 | NeoBREED | I was wondering |
| 20:40.03 | r00tz | have some form? |
| 20:40.05 | NeoBREED | bsetbg |
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| 20:40.14 | NeoBREED | is that part of base system? |
| 20:40.16 | freanoad | to get the torrents for the latest stable release i go to "/debian-cd/torrents/current/i386" right? also what is NONUS doing in there only for cd1, is that a mistake or do i need it too? |
| 20:40.20 | Androwz1822 | test |
| 20:40.20 | greycat | r00tz: you installed it. you broke it. you get to keep the pieces. |
| 20:40.22 | NeoBREED | I want to change a theme in fluxbox |
| 20:40.22 | monil | hi can anyone help me with apt-get? |
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| 20:40.34 | greycat | r00tz: that's why we tell people not to mix unofficial sources with their debian systems |
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| 20:40.45 | streuner | monil: just ask |
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| 20:40.52 | NeoBREED | !tell NeoBREED about fluxbox |
| 20:40.53 | r00tz | greycat: yes; but how i remove this now? |
| 20:40.54 | freanoad | i386 is the right one for amd athlon's? |
| 20:40.54 | citral | NeoBREED: bsetbg has nothing to do with the theme... only the background |
| 20:41.01 | NeoBREED | yeah |
| 20:41.05 | greycat | freanoad: yes |
| 20:41.05 | NeoBREED | I need that part |
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| 20:41.09 | directhex | r00tz, you tell us. you're not using debian packages, god knows. |
| 20:41.09 | NeoBREED | to run the background |
| 20:41.13 | phaedral | mpg321 fires right up |
| 20:41.16 | phaedral | sounds fine |
| 20:41.22 | greycat | r00tz: find the support forum for whatever place you got it *from*. |
| 20:41.24 | freanoad | grey cat 'yes' to which of my 3 questions? :P |
| 20:41.30 | greycat | 16:40 freanoad> i386 is the right one for amd athlon's? |
| 20:41.33 | NeoBREED | !tell monil about apt-get |
| 20:41.56 | directhex | unless it's an amd athlon 64 |
| 20:41.57 | freanoad | greycat do you know if i need the NONUS torrent too |
| 20:41.59 | NeoBREED | how do I get bsetbg for debian? |
| 20:42.04 | freanoad | its not |
| 20:42.07 | phaedral | wildly opening stuff, no bad effect |
| 20:42.08 | greycat | freanoad: "need"? certainly not. |
| 20:42.17 | freanoad | thanks |
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| 20:42.18 | monil | when i try to install wget using apt-get on a newly installed debian machine, i get: |
| 20:42.18 | monil | 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 20:42.18 | monil | Need to get 0B/332kB of archives. After unpacking 1233kB will be used. |
| 20:42.18 | monil | Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20031201)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 20:42.26 | monil | is there any way to make it plugg the file off the internet? |
| 20:42.30 | monil | pull the file** |
| 20:42.33 | greycat | monil: run apt-setup |
| 20:42.40 | directhex | freanoad, i doubt woody will run on an athlon xp system, especially with nfoce2 or similar modern motherboard chipset |
| 20:42.41 | streuner | NeoBREED: sounds like blackbox stuff - apt-file search bsetbg would tell you |
| 20:42.44 | NeoBREED | I couldn't seem to find bsetbg on apt-cache |
| 20:42.46 | citral | NeoBREED: listen, fbsetbg comes with fluxbox, it's looking for a supported app that chenges the background. the best one is provided by eterm, so apt-get install eterm, and you can use fbsetbg nicely. |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | monil: and possibly, at your option, edit sources.list and comment out the cdrom lines |
| 20:42.56 | monil | greycat: ok- thanks |
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| 20:43.00 | Henning | Any suggestions as to where lirc-modules-source determines what modules should be included when executing make-kpkg modules_image ? |
| 20:43.03 | ignatz | directhex i got a woody running here with nforce2 onboard sound, onboard net and athlon xp 1700+ |
| 20:43.07 | ignatz | works quite fine :p |
| 20:43.18 | directhex | ignatz, using the nforce drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 20:43.19 | freanoad | directhex i have an amd athlon xp 2400+ :( i need a unix like o/s right now to test some software i wrote in windows that should also run in *nix |
| 20:43.28 | directhex | !d-i freanoad |
| 20:43.29 | dpkg | freanoad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:43.36 | ignatz | nope standard drivers that were found during install |
| 20:43.45 | freanoad | and it has to support latest liibraries of some sdks |
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| 20:43.49 | paster | "furrywolf" at 68.105.23.171 pasted "freecraft breaking mount" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/40 |
| 20:43.51 | directhex | ignatz, woody does _NOT_ support nfoce2 ethernet (forcedeth) |
| 20:44.05 | furrywolf | http://channels.debian.net/paste/40 <== figure that one out. :) |
| 20:44.07 | directhex | the driver only existed ad of 2.4.23, woody has 2.4.18 or 2.2.20 |
| 20:44.12 | phaedral | maybe this is dumb, but is there a way to dump all of dpkg's wisdom into a browsable file? |
| 20:44.16 | will | ok so how do i get my radeon card working? |
| 20:44.23 | directhex | will, radeon _WHAT_? |
| 20:44.27 | greycat | will: run sarge |
| 20:44.30 | directhex | will, 7000? X850PE? |
| 20:44.37 | will | radeon 9000 laptop thing |
| 20:44.43 | directhex | will, run sarge. |
| 20:44.44 | will | im running unstable |
| 20:44.45 | ignatz | hmm any way to tell which raid controllers are supported in a kernel image ? |
| 20:44.46 | citral | phaedral: you mean dpkg -l > mypackages.txt ? |
| 20:44.49 | will | wh? |
| 20:44.58 | Androwz1822 | hu |
| 20:44.59 | ignatz | except finding out via kernel panic on boot |
| 20:44.59 | greycat | furrywolf: perhaps freecraft mounts an image on /mnt. Did you check df or mount? |
| 20:45.12 | phaedral | citral: sorry, mean the infobot on #debian |
| 20:45.12 | greycat | oh wait... you tried /mnt2 also |
| 20:45.37 | furrywolf | greycat: nothing in df or mount, and a cat /etc/mtab shows nothing mounted |
| 20:45.41 | will | ok so how do i get my radeon 9000 thing working in unstable |
| 20:45.41 | streuner | citral: he surely means, how to get the factoid db |
| 20:45.46 | abrotman | ignatz: check the /boot/config-kernelyourerunning |
| 20:45.49 | citral | phaedral: no, there isn't... ask dondelelcaro for the mysql db? |
| 20:45.56 | Androwz1822 | lusers |
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| 20:46.12 | freanoad | why does debian have such hardware issues. are there other linux's that would run fine on an amd athlon xp ? i need somethin stable like yesterday :D |
| 20:46.13 | phaedral | nah, don't wanna bother anyone if it isn't already a quick grab |
| 20:46.15 | ignatz | ah thx |
| 20:46.26 | greycat | freanoad: debian runs fine on an amd athlon XP. |
| 20:46.29 | directhex | freanoad, you're being obtuse. GO TO THE URL YOU'VE BEEN TOLD TO USE |
| 20:46.30 | setuid | Anyone know how to get dovecot to create a new cert? Mine is expired, and the standard openssl commands to create a new cert are rejected by dovecot. |
| 20:46.36 | directhex | !d-i freanoad |
| 20:46.37 | dpkg | freanoad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:46.51 | greycat | will: don't run unstable. run sarge. |
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| 20:46.55 | setuid | The doc/mkcert.sh that comes with dovecot's source makes an imapd.pem, which is rejected by dovecot |
| 20:46.57 | greycat | !d-i will |
| 20:46.58 | dpkg | will, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:47.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell phaedral -about your factoids |
| 20:47.09 | citral | freanoad: debian doesn't have hardware issues. the kernel can have. |
| 20:47.13 | KinxofSepluv | I'm just currious which kernel is better to use on an Antholon XP : k7 or 686? |
| 20:47.20 | citral | k7 |
| 20:47.21 | greycat | KinxofSepluv: k7 |
| 20:47.29 | directhex | will, definitely radeon 9000? that has 3d acceleration out of the box on a sarge install |
| 20:47.30 | KinxofSepluv | k good thats what I have installed |
| 20:47.30 | directhex | !k7 |
| 20:47.31 | dpkg | i heard k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 20:47.35 | freanoad | i'm at that url but i dont get it, someone said that woody wouldnt run on an amd athlon xp, but i initially said i wanted the lastest stable version of debian, isnt that sarge? which is what i was plannin to get off BT anyway |
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| 20:47.54 | greycat | freanoad: they lied. |
| 20:47.56 | will | yea, but i want sid cause i dont want to use old crap |
| 20:47.57 | furrywolf | greycat: and fuser doesn't show anything using /mnt... |
| 20:47.57 | directhex | freanoad, no. sarge hasn't been released yet. woody was released years ago. |
| 20:48.02 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 20:48.03 | dpkg | hmm... woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 20:48.09 | will | if its in sarge why wouldnt it be in sid |
| 20:48.16 | setuid | hrm, guess now |
| 20:48.18 | setuid | s/now/not |
| 20:48.18 | greycat | furrywolf: an strace of the attempted mount might be interesting |
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| 20:48.25 | directhex | will, how did you install sid? |
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| 20:48.42 | furrywolf | greycat: 'tis a funky bug, eh? :) |
| 20:48.50 | greycat | furrywolf: it's 2.6. 'nuff said... |
| 20:48.55 | freanoad | oh, well i installed woody about a year ago and it didnt support the latest programming stuff i needed so i gave up on it and im tryin again now and debian still isnt upgraded? :( |
| 20:49.02 | will | i installed woody with a 10mb net install disc then put unstable in sources.list and apt dist-upgraded |
| 20:49.10 | will | i just installed the 2.6 kernel but havent rebooted yet |
| 20:49.10 | streuner | will: you have ohter lines in sources.list, other than official sources? |
| 20:49.21 | directhex | freanoad, exectly. have you installed sarge yet? |
| 20:49.31 | will | i have non us contrib non-free |
| 20:49.32 | furrywolf | mount("/dev/hdc1", "/mnt", "ext3", 0xc0ed0000, 0) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) |
| 20:49.39 | freanoad | this is too confusing |
| 20:49.47 | greycat | freanoad: just install sarge. |
| 20:49.54 | freanoad | you just said sarge isnt out :/ |
| 20:49.55 | furrywolf | doesn't seem to be in the mount executable... |
| 20:49.55 | directhex | freanoad, how is "install sarge" 6 times confusing? |
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| 20:50.00 | greycat | freanoad: install it anyway. |
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| 20:50.04 | freanoad | i heard sarge isnt out like 4 times |
| 20:50.06 | l1nux | same problem here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/11/msg00009.html |
| 20:50.10 | greycat | it's not *released* yet. |
| 20:50.12 | directhex | freanoad, not's not officially branded "stable". |
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| 20:50.18 | l1nux | but i dont have any smp or nfs ! |
| 20:50.23 | l1nux | smb* |
| 20:50.23 | freanoad | well hows that not confusing :P |
| 20:50.25 | phaedral | !give dondelelcaro a beer |
| 20:50.30 | phaedral | thx |
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| 20:50.57 | Andrownz182 | ! |
| 20:50.58 | citral | freanoad: "not out" doesn't mean it's not available, just that it's not labeled 'the official stable debian version" |
| 20:51.05 | furrywolf | greycat: not sure how to get an strace of the mount function it calls... haven't had much experience deubugging things that go into libraries. :) |
| 20:51.31 | furrywolf | and/or system calls |
| 20:51.37 | freanoad | this is all i want to know then, is this 'sarge' able to run python 2.3 (without any whacky dist-upgrades, and can i get it off Bittorent |
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| 20:51.50 | greycat | furrywolf: that's about as far as I can go, too |
| 20:52.06 | directhex | !info python2.3 sarge |
| 20:52.09 | greycat | furrywolf: it's in the kernel after that. |
| 20:52.19 | Rawplayer | !qos |
| 20:52.19 | dpkg | qos is, like, Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://www.ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/ |
| 20:52.21 | dpkg | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2835 kB, Installed size: 9392 kB |
| 20:52.26 | citral | freanoad: it has python 2.3 and 2.4 |
| 20:52.30 | greycat | freanoad: so that would be a "yes". |
| 20:52.39 | directhex | !info python2.4 sarge |
| 20:52.43 | freanoad | ok cool :) now im set, thanks guys |
| 20:52.44 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4+2.4.1rc2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3414 kB, Installed size: 10948 kB |
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| 20:52.53 | furrywolf | greycat: lsof | grep mnt doesn't find anything, so I don't think freecraft is trying to open it for some reason, and it doesn't work with any mountpoint I've tried... so I do think it's a kernel bug. |
| 20:52.57 | freanoad | a year ago with woody everything was alll screwed up :P |
| 20:53.00 | gothtec | How can I get the ip addresses of the users currently connected to an sshd on my box? I need some kind of a list output I can use in the program I'm making. |
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| 20:53.33 | furrywolf | but it's very, very odd that freecraft, a program that has nothing to do with disks or anything else related, running as a user, breaks mounting. lol |
| 20:53.34 | systemadmin | how do i store the output of a command to a varible? |
| 20:53.49 | furrywolf | systemadmin: set foo=`command` |
| 20:53.59 | freanoad | gothtec cant you just parse 'who' |
| 20:54.02 | systemadmin | ok |
| 20:54.11 | systemadmin | will try thanks |
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| 20:54.23 | greycat | furrywolf: no "set " |
| 20:54.34 | greycat | systemadmin: just foo=`command` |
| 20:54.41 | KinxofSepluv | !info saa7134 |
| 20:54.48 | gothtec | freanoad: who gives me outputs like "nwadmin pts/2 Apr 16 13:43 (ktv21-246-96:S.0)" with no real ip address in them. I have no idea what ktv21-246-96:S.0 means |
| 20:54.50 | systemadmin | ok thought i tried that |
| 20:54.50 | furrywolf | or export instead of set, depending on what you're doing. :) |
| 20:54.51 | smhar | is the amd athlon 1000MHz same as K7? |
| 20:54.58 | systemadmin | but will do again |
| 20:55.01 | greycat | !k7 |
| 20:55.01 | dpkg | hmm... k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 20:55.06 | paulswm | gothtec: You'll also find it in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:55.15 | streuner | !k6 |
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| 20:55.19 | greycat | furrywolf: it's never "set". |
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| 20:55.27 | Ahewes | Looking for some documentation I didn't see in the wiki. What is the debian recommended method (in debian testing) to tell a module to load or not load? |
| 20:55.31 | freanoad | yeah i guess parse the logs |
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| 20:55.47 | greycat | Ahewes: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:55.54 | smhar | dpkg, so for the kernel, which is better to choose for me, a 386 or k7? as an amd athlon 1000MHz |
| 20:55.55 | dpkg | smhar: what are you talking about? |
| 20:55.55 | mh_le_ | is there anyway I can change the audio sync while playing the video? |
| 20:56.02 | greycat | smhar: k7 |
| 20:56.10 | streuner | smhar: what greycat said |
| 20:56.15 | flow | the last thing i see in my syslog before my system crashed was 24:28 mail kernel: vmscan.c:164: bad pmd 378001e3. Does anyone know what this means? |
| 20:56.21 | bni | how can i make xyz.domain.com point to the same virtual host as domain.com in my apache config? |
| 20:56.21 | systemadmin | that isnt working, i am trying to do user='whoami' to sotttre ucurrent user as var $user |
| 20:56.23 | citral | Ahewes: if you don't use hotplug, discover and all this crap, just put what you WANT to be loaded in /etc/modules |
| 20:56.26 | greycat | it means your kernel's gone tits up. |
| 20:56.26 | streuner | smhar: k6 would be prolly about 400-500Mhz |
| 20:56.30 | smhar | thanks everybody |
| 20:56.31 | flow | theres hundreds of lines of that err |
| 20:56.47 | greycat | flow: which kernel? |
| 20:56.54 | furrywolf | greycat: I'm used to csh. :) |
| 20:56.56 | directhex | k6 should cover 233-450mhz |
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| 20:57.04 | greycat | !csh |
| 20:57.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, csh is http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or BSD's standard shell, and very useful, or perverse, or considered harmful |
| 20:57.04 | streuner | ok |
| 20:57.14 | flow | greycat 2.4.18 |
| 20:57.19 | Teemu_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.21 | Teemu_K | cannot open root device hda1 |
| 20:57.21 | greycat | flow: wow. |
| 20:57.25 | Teemu_K | kernel panic ./ |
| 20:57.34 | Teemu_K | whats wrong in my kernel 2.6.11.7 |
| 20:57.42 | greycat | flow: well, it's either a kernel bug, or some obscure hardware error. run memtest86 if you can to rule out the latter. |
| 20:57.49 | directhex | Teemu_K, you compiled it badly |
| 20:57.50 | phaedral | furrywolf: but what's that in human years? |
| 20:58.06 | furrywolf | old enough that I learned *nix on csh. :P |
| 20:58.13 | greycat | !comfort furrywolf |
| 20:58.14 | dpkg | There, there, furrywolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:58.18 | Teemu_K | directhex: how so |
| 20:58.22 | flow | greywolf is memtest a cd only program? I |
| 20:58.23 | xelam | furrywolf: how old? |
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| 20:58.30 | phaedral | furrywolf: hah, i learned basic on an hp card reader |
| 20:58.31 | flow | haha slip there greycat sorry |
| 20:58.34 | greycat | flow: /msg dpkg memtest86 apt-get install memtest86 etc. |
| 20:58.37 | phaedral | :p |
| 20:58.38 | Teemu_K | I copied 2.4.27 kernel konfig, and just deleted something unuseful |
| 20:58.46 | greycat | !pal Teemu_K |
| 20:59.02 | furrywolf | phaedral: I first learned to program on a trs-80 model III... with DUAL floppy drives, 48k ram, and a mapper board so I could run CP/M. :) |
| 20:59.04 | Teemu_K | greycat: you lasy bastard |
| 20:59.10 | Teemu_K | lazy |
| 20:59.11 | Teemu_K | :I |
| 20:59.12 | greycat | furrywolf: floppies?!? LUXURY! |
| 20:59.26 | citral | dual floppies !! |
| 20:59.30 | directhex | !debian kernel image |
| 20:59.30 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 20:59.34 | greycat | we had the TRS-80 CoCo with an audio tape deck |
| 20:59.38 | phaedral | we didn't get the trash 80s ' |
| 20:59.43 | furrywolf | greycat: yep, it was fully loaded... I also has my trs-80 coco II with a tape deck. :) |
| 20:59.45 | phaedral | until second semester |
| 20:59.52 | smhar | I cann't see nvidia kernel packages for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 20:59.59 | tvn | I just learn how to program ..... |
| 21:00.04 | greycat | smhar: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 21:00.10 | phaedral | yeah, floppies came later; it was a radio shack tape player for storage |
| 21:00.12 | phaedral | :) |
| 21:00.24 | tvn | I am a philosopher .. |
| 21:00.28 | paulswm | TRS-80s are new fangled stuff with ICsd |
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| 21:00.36 | systemadmin | that isnt working, i am trying to do user='whoami' to store the current user as var $user |
| 21:00.48 | furrywolf | and later I upgraded one of the floppies to a DOUBLE-SIDED floppy. trs-dos, of course, treated it as two separate disks, but pro-dos was smarter. |
| 21:01.05 | Mage____ | what's the difference between OpenVPN and Openswan ? |
| 21:01.08 | systemadmin | sorry to repast |
| 21:01.11 | nopcode | pts-dos is da bomb |
| 21:01.14 | citral | systemadmin: $USER already contains that... |
| 21:01.15 | Mage____ | they both do VPN with encryption ... |
| 21:01.21 | iceman | systemadmin: user=`whoami` |
| 21:01.38 | citral | systemadmin: echo $USER |
| 21:01.41 | furrywolf | systemadmin: you're not using the quotes I told you to use. you're using forward ticks, not backwards ticks. |
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| 21:01.48 | systemadmin | right buts iwhen i echo $user to see if it worked it comes out blank |
| 21:01.52 | greycat | systemadmin: 'whoami' and `whoami` are two VERY different things. |
| 21:01.54 | phaedral | double-sided? WOW! |
| 21:01.56 | systemadmin | oh sorry |
| 21:01.58 | smhar | greycat, do I have to have packages from unstable to use nvidia? |
| 21:01.59 | furrywolf | systemadmin: it's case sensative. |
| 21:02.01 | directhex | !nvidia-kernel |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-image && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:02.02 | citral | systemadmin: $USER not $user |
| 21:02.02 | systemadmin | i see now |
| 21:02.06 | systemadmin | will try |
| 21:02.11 | systemadmin | thanks for pointing that out |
| 21:02.11 | greycat | systemadmin: $user and $USER are two VERY different things. |
| 21:02.12 | directhex | oops |
| 21:02.13 | joeschmoe | I have bf2.4 and kernel 2.6 i386 installed on another machine, and the mouse works fine, however when i switch over to the a64 kernel the mouse jumps around and randomly hits buttons |
| 21:02.35 | phaedral | just not happy with a box that ain't case sensitive |
| 21:02.35 | directhex | dpkg, nvidia-kernel =~ s/module-image/module-assistant/ |
| 21:02.35 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
| 21:02.37 | iceman | you can also use $(whoami) to avoid confusion between the two ticks |
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| 21:02.45 | systemadmin | sorry for my ignorance |
| 21:02.47 | furrywolf | phaedral: god that was a long time ago... /me didn't own any faux fur ears back then. :) |
| 21:02.51 | systemadmin | wil try harder next time |
| 21:02.53 | systemadmin | it works |
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| 21:03.34 | furrywolf | [PATCH] USB: Prevent hub driver interference during port reset WOOT! about bloody time! |
| 21:03.41 | joeschmoe | anybody have any ideas for me? |
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| 21:04.00 | citral | yes, spring |
| 21:04.33 | furrywolf | [PATCH] USB: fix uhci irq 10: nobody cared! error double-woot! |
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| 21:05.42 | furrywolf | kingsley: haven't heard of any problems with that. best solution, however, is just to delete the M$ partitions and leave it at that. :P |
| 21:05.47 | citral | kingsley: ask microsoft's hotline :D |
| 21:06.01 | furrywolf | citral: you mean the $20/question one? |
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| 21:06.20 | citral | yeah, the one with the right answer |
| 21:06.23 | raf256 | does linux/debian support EAX? |
| 21:06.26 | kingsley | citral: It would be entertaining to hear what they have to say, but I doubt it would be enlightening. |
| 21:06.39 | phaedral | citral: only one answer from m$: reboot, if that doesn't work, re-install |
| 21:06.40 | citral | "we don't support anything else than windows" |
| 21:07.07 | l1nux | hmm... |
| 21:07.12 | furrywolf | last I checked m$ charged either $20 or $25 "per incident" to ask questions... |
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| 21:07.31 | kingsley | Or, if you call Epson's support: "Buy one of our ink cartridges." |
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| 21:07.59 | kingsley | raf256: Perhaps you could find out by Googling. |
| 21:07.59 | citral | oh no, that was the answer of german telekoms, it's normal that microsoft only supports windows after all. |
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| 21:08.16 | joeschmoe | I have bf2.4 and kernel 2.6 i386 installed on another machine, and the mouse works fine, however when i switch over to the a64 kernel the mouse jumps around and randomly hits buttons |
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| 21:08.26 | nopcode | joeschmoe: brainfuck? |
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| 21:08.47 | furrywolf | I got REALLY pissed at ATI over their tech support... a friend spent $250 on a new, shiny, all-in-wonder card. it didn't work. they _refused_ to give him free tech support, insisting he pay either by the minute or per incident. for the $250 card he just bought from them. we sent the card back for a refund. |
| 21:08.47 | nopcode | there are buttons on your screen? |
| 21:08.48 | joeschmoe | thats normal |
| 21:09.16 | joeschmoe | well.. inputting characters from the axis when i move the mouse |
| 21:09.21 | JeffWilson12 | I changed 'su' permissions to make it only executable by me, and now I see that doing so was a bad idea, because now im getting 'Authentication failure'...I assume that su has to be run setuid root....ive chowned it to root and set the 's' permission flag...did I miss anything? |
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| 21:09.34 | phaedral | there's lots of reasons to go open source and legacy hardware |
| 21:09.37 | kingsley | joeschmoe: I'd check which mouse module(s) is (are) installed. |
| 21:09.43 | qumran | I'm having trouble with running gmplayer as a normal user. what's the procedure to change permission for a program like that? |
| 21:09.56 | joeschmoe | kingsley, ok i'll check it |
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| 21:10.09 | furrywolf | gumran: mplayer = LOTS of security problems. do NOT make it suid root. |
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| 21:10.29 | furrywolf | mplayer runs perfectly fine as a user... |
| 21:10.44 | citral | JeffWilson12: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 27744 Mar 15 16:31 /bin/su |
| 21:10.44 | qumran | furrywolf, oh, didn't know that ... thnx |
| 21:11.12 | doubleh1 | I broke the beginning of my partition ... the FS is unusable ( it was ext3 ), but the DATA themself are not over written yet ... how to try to recover files ? |
| 21:11.29 | furrywolf | qumran: what's the exact problem you're having running it as a user? |
| 21:11.33 | JeffWilson12 | citral: I've tried everything, including chmod +s .... what am I doing wrong? The file is also 755 now. |
| 21:11.47 | furrywolf | doubleh1: how'd you break it? |
| 21:11.50 | citral | JeffWilson12: show us 'ls -l /bin/su' |
| 21:11.52 | qumran | but i've installed is with apt-get and now i can only run is as root. When i start it as normal user the player just doesn't start ... |
| 21:12.06 | kingsley | doubleh1: Hold on... |
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| 21:12.38 | JeffWilson12 | citral: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23416 2005-03-15 06:59 /bin/su ... where did my 's' flag go? |
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| 21:13.13 | qumran | I get this: Failed to open /dev/rtc: Device or resource busy (it should be readable by the user.) |
| 21:13.25 | citral | JeffWilson12: how should I know? try to install sudo to correct this |
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| 21:13.33 | furrywolf | try fsck'ing it with a backup superblock or something... -b 32768 (or 16384 or 8193 depending on the block size) |
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| 21:13.55 | furrywolf | qumran: it should still function with that error; timing is just slightly less accurate. and the manual tells you how to fix that, anyway. |
| 21:14.21 | JeffWilson12 | citral: are sudo and su in the same package? |
| 21:14.33 | furrywolf | jeff: no |
| 21:15.07 | citral | JeffWilson12: no |
| 21:15.20 | citral | JeffWilson12: oh wait... you can't install anything |
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| 21:15.38 | kingsley | doubleh1: I suggest checking out these packages: gpart, lde, parted and testdisk and the command fsck. |
| 21:15.41 | beeblebrox87 | regarding siyh: how can i help? |
| 21:15.46 | qumran | hmm ... darn, i had some troubles before with gmplayer not finding the default skin. I fixed that by reinstalling it. Can it be that when i run as a user mplayer is executed from another place than when i run it as root? |
| 21:15.54 | JeffWilson12 | citral: yes I can. I have physical access to the server. |
| 21:16.02 | citral | JeffWilson12: now you'll remember one of unix's rules: when you make changes as root, NEVER LEAVE your root shell BEFORE you tested the changes |
| 21:16.13 | furrywolf | lol |
| 21:16.18 | JeffWilson12 | citral: ... I have physical access ... |
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| 21:16.28 | JeffWilson12 | If I didn't, I definately wouldn't have exited. |
| 21:16.40 | furrywolf | I tested my funky-pam-setup about 50 times before I logged out. :) |
| 21:16.49 | citral | JeffWilson12: so you want to boot a rescue cd now or what do you mean? |
| 21:17.00 | JeffWilson12 | citral: no ... I want to fix these su permissions. ;) |
| 21:17.10 | JeffWilson12 | I can login as root because I have physical access. |
| 21:17.36 | spowers | if anyone's got any sage advice on what to do, or what not to do, when one discovers that his mail server has been compromised, i would like to hear it |
| 21:17.45 | JeffWilson12 | my SSH config disallows remote root logins, but I can logni locally via physical access to the server. |
| 21:17.57 | JeffWilson12 | spowers: compromised how? |
| 21:17.58 | nopcode | spowers: plane to tibet |
| 21:18.02 | nopcode | spowers: delete all trails |
| 21:18.04 | nopcode | *g* |
| 21:18.08 | spowers | haha. |
| 21:18.12 | spowers | compromised as in rooted |
| 21:18.13 | spowers | well |
| 21:18.15 | spowers | maybe not rooted |
| 21:18.17 | citral | <JeffWilson12> because now im getting 'Authentication failure' |
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| 21:18.23 | furrywolf | spowers: go to the machine, physically unplug the network connection, boot it off a rescue disk, and start from there. |
| 21:18.25 | nopcode | well "plane to tibet" as in "run" ;) |
| 21:18.25 | JeffWilson12 | citral: using su, Yes I am. |
| 21:18.38 | spowers | i logged in and found a bunch of stuff in /var/www |
| 21:18.38 | cheal | beeblebrox87: check http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 21:18.38 | JeffWilson12 | because su has to run setuid root iirc. |
| 21:18.40 | spowers | bots, exploits |
| 21:18.44 | citral | JeffWilson12: so how the fuck do you want to become root to fix the perms now? |
| 21:18.47 | furrywolf | do NOT do ANYTHING while it's running off the installed system. |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:18.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:18.57 | JeffWilson12 | citral: You aren't following me! |
| 21:19.10 | citral | I must admit, I fail to understand |
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| 21:19.37 | JeffWilson12 | citral: i AM root now. I have phyiscal access and have logged in as root via physical access. I can NOT become root from SSH because I screwed up su permissions. I get auth failures. get me? :) |
| 21:19.40 | spowers | furrywolf: before i do that, i need to set up a new mail server and switch my mail exchanger over in dns |
| 21:19.49 | citral | JeffWilson12: yes. :) |
| 21:19.56 | JeffWilson12 | citral: :) |
| 21:20.00 | furrywolf | chances are, if it was rooted, there's a rootkit. the new ones are not detectable easily since they modify the _kernel_. boot off a rescue disk/cd before looking at anything... |
| 21:20.21 | JeffWilson12 | if you are rooted .. you are best off to format. :( |
| 21:20.23 | spowers | that's what i was worried about, the ones that go in through /dev/kmem |
| 21:20.31 | spowers | and show nothing in lspci |
| 21:20.32 | spowers | and ps |
| 21:20.35 | spowers | and utmp |
| 21:20.51 | nopcode | furrywolf: yeah he ougtha read the last few issues of phrack ;) |
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| 21:20.56 | JeffWilson12 | what the hell is /dev/kmem used for though? |
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| 21:21.12 | furrywolf | jeff: nothing, which is why it can be disabled on new kernels IIRC... |
| 21:21.18 | nopcode | ehrm |
| 21:21.21 | nopcode | kernel debugging maybe? |
| 21:21.32 | nopcode | injecting malware? |
| 21:21.33 | citral | !tell furrywolf about nick completion |
| 21:21.36 | nopcode | lots of legitimate uses |
| 21:21.56 | furrywolf | citral: I'm stuck on a broken, OLD ircii install. there is no tab completion. |
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| 21:22.05 | JeffWilson12 | nopcode: Negative uses override the positive ones. If it can be used in more malicious ways than positive ones, it's best to get rid of it. |
| 21:22.06 | citral | furrywolf: poor you :) |
| 21:22.14 | JeffWilson12 | Which is why we should destroy windows ^ ;) |
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| 21:22.30 | citral | yay |
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| 21:23.19 | cvt | anyone have a screenshot of debian? |
| 21:23.33 | citral | uh |
| 21:23.36 | JeffWilson12 | cvt: Mine is blinking at me saying: 'login:' |
| 21:23.47 | cvt | i'm interested in getting it soon. |
| 21:23.58 | Ronin | im sure google images will help cvt |
| 21:24.02 | JeffWilson12 | it doens't come with a GUI by default - you gotta install it ;) |
| 21:24.05 | cvt | i saw some on google. |
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| 21:24.13 | spowers | if you're the type of user who is looking for a screenshot of debian, perhaps what you are really looking for is ubuntu |
| 21:24.26 | lef | which package provides the 'less' command |
| 21:24.32 | citral | lef: less |
| 21:24.34 | iceman | lef: less |
| 21:24.37 | spowers | lef: less |
| 21:24.37 | beardy | lef: less |
| 21:24.39 | lef | erm..lol |
| 21:24.39 | JeffWilson12 | Heh you guys beat me. |
| 21:24.41 | citral | lef: less |
| 21:24.44 | lef | lol |
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| 21:24.47 | iceman | hehe |
| 21:24.54 | lef | I thought it was part of coreutils or somethign |
| 21:25.01 | spowers | it ought to be |
| 21:25.03 | furrywolf | spowers: what you may want to do, if you're planning on a forensic investigation, is disconnect the machine from the internet, reconnect it to a private lan, WITHOUT powering the box off, then netcat the raw hard drive (i.e. /dev/hda1 or whatever) to another box. then power it off, reformat, and save the analysis for later. gets the box back in service quicker. |
| 21:25.06 | citral | lef: no, its in "less" ;) |
| 21:25.11 | lef | or part of some other base-utils package |
| 21:25.17 | citral | lef: no, its in "less" :) |
| 21:25.18 | baserose | hi all.. any alsa guru around ?! I can't record the mic using alsa |
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| 21:25.41 | citral | baserose: checked with alsamixer if the volume is set, and the channel unmuted? |
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| 21:25.52 | spowers | furrywolf: good idea, thanks. i have a spare debian system i can move services to, but it's a matter of waiting for my DNS admin at this point |
| 21:25.55 | astronut | what's the ssl-wrapped-telnet like program? |
| 21:25.56 | baserose | citral: yes.. it is |
| 21:26.06 | spowers | astronut: ssh |
| 21:26.07 | iceman | astronut: ssh |
| 21:26.09 | spowers | or stelnet? |
| 21:26.10 | cvt | how did some of you aquire debian--ordered it or dl, burn cd from net? |
| 21:26.10 | paulswm | astronut: ssh |
| 21:26.12 | astronut | stelnet |
| 21:26.13 | citral | astronut: ssh |
| 21:26.18 | astronut | no |
| 21:26.19 | astronut | not ssh |
| 21:26.19 | spowers | don't waste your time with stelnet though |
| 21:26.20 | astronut | lol |
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| 21:26.21 | Ronin | cvt: netinstall |
| 21:26.24 | spowers | i mean really |
| 21:26.27 | astronut | i mean to connect to https sites, etc |
| 21:26.32 | spowers | oh, well |
| 21:26.33 | spowers | ok |
| 21:26.36 | lef | thank you |
| 21:26.39 | valdyn | !tell cvt about polls |
| 21:26.41 | furrywolf | if you're planning on a really fancy investigation, save the contents of memory too (kmem is useful for that. :) |
| 21:26.51 | lef | oh..one more thing, any good turorial regarding exim4? |
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| 21:27.11 | baserose | citral: do you know any app I can use to test my setup ?! |
| 21:27.12 | citral | astronut: that's something different. you connect to https sites with e.g firefox in X, or elinks in console |
| 21:27.26 | astronut | cvt: desktop: woody flopy disks, network install base, upgrade to sid with apt server: base install off cd, apt over network |
| 21:27.29 | spowers | i lack the patience for going through hundreds of megs of vm in hd |
| 21:27.32 | astronut | citral: RAW connect |
| 21:27.32 | citral | baserose: no, what are you using actually to record? |
| 21:27.34 | spowers | unforunately |
| 21:27.38 | furrywolf | keep in mind that if the kernel is tweaked, _every_ command that runs on the kernel will be reporting faked results. |
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| 21:27.43 | Henning | Could someone tell me what version of automake is in unstable? |
| 21:27.46 | astronut | trying to diagnose an ecrypted pop server |
| 21:27.55 | spowers | furrywolf: in short, trust no one |
| 21:27.56 | citral | ssh |
| 21:28.02 | furrywolf | spowers: exactly. :) |
| 21:28.03 | abrotman | Henning: packages.debian.org |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | !tell Henning about search |
| 21:28.10 | paulswm | astronut: telnet-ssl maybe is what you are meaning |
| 21:28.10 | spowers | furrywolf: you sound like you've been through this before |
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| 21:28.20 | astronut | paulswm: prob |
| 21:28.20 | Henning | Isn't `apt-cache show automake/unstable` supposed to work if I have a unstable in my sources-list? |
| 21:28.31 | astronut | gah |
| 21:28.33 | astronut | don't have that |
| 21:28.38 | astronut | now |
| 21:28.42 | astronut | wait |
| 21:28.49 | furrywolf | that's why netcat and the raw hard drive is used... I don't know of any rootkits that fuck with reading the raw device, so it's the only way to get an accurate copy... and scp and everything else ssh related is probably sniffing passwords. |
| 21:28.52 | baserose | citral: sound recorder fpr gnome |
| 21:29.04 | citral | !info telnet-ssl sarge |
| 21:29.06 | cheal | !tell astronut about enter |
| 21:29.12 | dpkg | telnet-ssl: (The telnet client with SSL encryption support), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17.24+0.1-7.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 21:29.22 | spowers | furrywolf: you suggest doing a raw copy of the hard drive while the system is running? or like everything else, after powering off |
| 21:29.34 | spowers | i guess the effect on the hd image would be similar to a power cut |
| 21:29.39 | cvt | I burned this image to cd but couldn't install it successfully: ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/3.0_r1/ |
| 21:29.39 | cvt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.41 | furrywolf | and, of course, if you used the same password on anything else, change it. most all rootkits these days sniff ssh passwords... and email passwords... |
| 21:29.48 | spowers | unless the filesystem changes tremendously while the image is being taken |
| 21:29.53 | valdyn | !d-i cvt |
| 21:29.54 | dpkg | cvt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:29.59 | furrywolf | spowers: I'd do it while it's still running, to make sure any files that get automagically clobbered don't get clobbered. |
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| 21:30.20 | cvt | ok |
| 21:30.34 | citral | baserose: I'd try a console app like ecasound, because they display MUCH MORE (debugging/useful) infos than guis |
| 21:31.14 | citral | usually use -v and it will speak |
| 21:31.19 | OleMoudi | how can I select substrings from output with bash? |
| 21:31.21 | baserose | citral: okay.. thanks |
| 21:31.39 | furrywolf | all depends on how much work you want to put into investigating it... if your just want to figure out what rootkit they installed, booting off a rescue cd will do that. but seeing what they've been sniffing, where it's been sent, how they got in, etc, is a major project. |
| 21:31.50 | JeffWilson12 | citral: someone in ##linux helped me fix the su problem. chmod 750 /bin/su; chmod u+s /bin/su; chown root:williew /bin/su |
| 21:32.10 | LoRez | JeffWilson12: that's not a proper solution. |
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| 21:32.14 | jim | OleMoudi: by using other programs |
| 21:32.24 | JeffWilson12 | LoRez: What is? |
| 21:32.27 | spowers | furrywolf: i can imagine that it would be. but also somewhat instructional. |
| 21:32.39 | citral | JeffWilson12: I thought about changing the group, but didn't said anything because it's REALLY dirty. |
| 21:32.44 | cheal | did I imagine that there was a way to select if you wanted framebuffer or not with drxx, or another package's config...? |
| 21:32.49 | spowers | and maybe worth the time to do it at least once in my life |
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| 21:33.01 | LoRez | JeffWilson12: it's supposed to be root:root. use sudo if you want to grant special powers to others. |
| 21:33.03 | citral | JeffWilson12: I think the way to go is pam, but I don't know anything about it |
| 21:33.03 | JeffWilson12 | citral: heh....well this way works. there isn't an 'suers' file or anything is there? |
| 21:33.15 | JeffWilson12 | LoRez: I want to PREVENT other people from using su. |
| 21:33.33 | LoRez | there is a pam setting for making su require wheel group access iirc |
| 21:33.38 | furrywolf | I still have images of some of my servers that got compromised... took about a week to figure out they got in through a zero-day lprd exploit. |
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| 21:33.49 | cvt | dpkg, do I install this first one? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/alpha/ |
| 21:33.49 | valdyn | JeffWilson12: why would you prevent anyone from using it? |
| 21:33.53 | jim | OleMoudi: I'm not saying bash isn't right, it's good you're using it... but bash by itself probably doesn't do what you want (but I'm speculating, because you haven't actually been specific or informative about what you actually want) |
| 21:34.08 | LoRez | if they don't have passwords, su doesn't do them any good |
| 21:34.31 | JeffWilson12 | heh ... your probably right, but I was thinking along the lines of if a hole was found in su...not likely though. |
| 21:34.51 | furrywolf | another box was rooted by a normal user through the ext2fs-race-condition bug the day it was announced... |
| 21:35.02 | OleMoudi | jim, I only want to remove a string I get from a head command. It's something like "Title: Song - Artist - Album" and I would like to display the string without "Title:" |
| 21:35.10 | furrywolf | (privledge escalation, not remote exploit) |
| 21:35.12 | LoRez | JeffWilson12: if you're trying to solve that problem, you probably should be looking at selinux or something similar |
| 21:35.22 | jim | OleMoudi: ok. |
| 21:35.46 | JeffWilson12 | LoRez: Ive never tried selinux myself, but I've heard it's nothing more than a pain in the ass, and I don't have time to deal with any more pains right now. |
| 21:35.49 | spowers | what i really want is to find out if the box has been rooted or if it went that far. so far, i've found a smattering of files in /var/www owned by a normal user |
| 21:35.55 | OleMoudi | Im currently man'ing cut command |
| 21:35.59 | jim | so does each and every line you get like this have "(some title and then a colon like this):"? |
| 21:36.06 | JeffWilson12 | I've heard it is *too* specific. |
| 21:36.08 | spowers | with a particularly weak password |
| 21:36.09 | furrywolf | jeff: set up a usermodelinux kernel, and lock all your users inside of it. then they have to gain root inside the uml kernel, compromise the uml kernel, gain root on the real machine,... |
| 21:36.21 | citral | JeffWilson12: methinks you could also totally disable the root account, and just use sudo, that permits only certain user(s) to gain root privilieges |
| 21:36.33 | OleMoudi | no jim, it has the word "Title" followed by ":" |
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| 21:36.40 | jeff | furrywolf: pardon me? |
| 21:36.45 | furrywolf | spowers: the rootkits hide all their files. you will not find the snuiffer, sniffer logs, etc, even if they're installed, using commands available on the box. |
| 21:36.55 | jim | ok |
| 21:36.55 | furrywolf | s/nu/n |
| 21:37.09 | k-dog | spowers: ...though you could try using sash. Unless they've patched the kernel. |
| 21:37.18 | furrywolf | jeff: for extra security. lock all your users in a uml. |
| 21:37.31 | JeffWilson12 | citral: the only question I have is ... I have no problem with doing that, BUT what if I can't login any other way? I suppose I could always use a rescue CD or another box and get a showed pass. |
| 21:37.35 | doublehp | PLZ any one was giving me a tip to recover ext3 ???? |
| 21:37.37 | k-dog | furrywolf: I prefer padded cells with bread and water. |
| 21:37.38 | jim | you could also use sed to do this, with the sed command s/// (where you put stuff between the /s) |
| 21:37.39 | spowers | i'd just as soon use a rescue disk than sash |
| 21:37.53 | JeffWilson12 | showed=shadowed |
| 21:37.57 | k-dog | spowers: Depends on whether you can reboot the system immediately. |
| 21:37.59 | furrywolf | spowers: if you boot off a rescue cd, or copy the hard drive image to another box, then you'll be able to see the files... but the patched kernels make finding the files difficult. |
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| 21:38.12 | jim | how can I pad a cell with bread and water? |
| 21:38.16 | cvt | I'm not trying to joke about this, but is there a place where mildly retarded people like myself can learn to install debian? seriously. |
| 21:38.32 | furrywolf | cvt: do you want an honest answer? :) |
| 21:38.35 | k-dog | jim: I prefer ballistic applique myself. |
| 21:38.36 | cvt | yes |
| 21:38.37 | spowers | there is a user guide |
| 21:38.40 | valdyn | cvt: whats hard about the site dpkg told you? |
| 21:38.41 | JeffWilson12 | cvt: You could just use windows. :x |
| 21:38.43 | furrywolf | no, there's not. |
| 21:38.44 | JeffWilson12 | Sorry that was mean. |
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| 21:38.55 | k-dog | cvt: Read the install manual. |
| 21:39.04 | JeffWilson12 | You could learn like the rest of us did - the manual and experience. |
| 21:39.09 | valdyn | cvt: quote what you dont understand, if you are lazy or unable to read, no one here can help |
| 21:39.21 | pink1 | cvt: just do a network install - it talks you through it |
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| 21:39.37 | jim | cvt: where is the problem you're experiencing? but first, are you using boot-floppies or debian-installer (named for really a version of the installer; both can be on floppies or other media) |
| 21:39.38 | spowers | furrywolf: thanks for the advice, i've gotta dig in now. |
| 21:39.39 | cvt | valdyn, I'm dl this one at the top: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/alpha/ |
| 21:39.55 | Ronin | cvt: are you running an alpha machine? |
| 21:40.04 | furrywolf | spowers: have fun. and now is a VERY good time to start a mp3 site, so you can blame it on the h4x0rs. |
| 21:40.06 | cvt | I'm really sorry, but I don't know. |
| 21:40.15 | jim | valdyn: he's obviously able to read :) |
| 21:40.21 | spowers | hah. |
| 21:40.23 | directhex | cvt, you have an alpha system? |
| 21:40.26 | cvt | my system: p4 3GHz 1GB ram |
| 21:40.28 | valdyn | cvt: click on the link saying "386" or "i386", NOT alpha |
| 21:40.33 | cvt | ok |
| 21:40.39 | directhex | cvt, alpha is a series of 64 bit processors from the mid 1990s |
| 21:40.40 | valdyn | !d-i cvt |
| 21:40.41 | dpkg | cvt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:40.50 | citral | JeffWilson12: mmmm. I think you are just paranoid. Set up a long-and-hard-to-find root password, use shadow, eventually configure pam to accept su only from the "wheel" group. If that's enough for the most picky admins, that should be enough for you. |
| 21:40.50 | valdyn | cvt: and try not to use the weekly image but rc3 |
| 21:40.52 | jim | cvt: do you have a second system you can install on? |
| 21:41.18 | furrywolf | citral: I still prefer locking users in uml jails. :) |
| 21:41.22 | cvt | no second system, but i'm ready to git rid of winxp. |
| 21:41.22 | JeffWilson12 | citral: alright...I think I'm good with that. Thanks. =) |
| 21:41.24 | freanoad | just to be clear before i started downloading, 'debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent' is sarge right? |
| 21:41.31 | pink1 | cvt: are you tryng to make a dual boot system? |
| 21:41.39 | cvt | no dual. |
| 21:41.40 | directhex | freanoad, no, of course not |
| 21:41.43 | jim | cvt: also, I want to zoom out and have you say some things about your background, so I can target correctly... |
| 21:41.43 | cvt | full install of debian. |
| 21:41.51 | cvt | sure... |
| 21:41.53 | directhex | freanoad, and it's not from the site you were linked to 7 times either |
| 21:42.01 | qumran | I've tried and tried but i can't fix the problem with gmplayer. I start it from a terminal as a user, it starts to load but then it stops when i get the message: get_path('Skin') -> '/home/qumran/.mplayer/Skin' |
| 21:42.02 | qumran | SKIN dir 1: '/home/qumran/.mplayer/Skin' |
| 21:42.02 | qumran | SKIN dir 2: '/usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin' |
| 21:42.05 | jim | cvt: do you have any unix/linux experience? |
| 21:42.05 | furrywolf | jeff: uml jails are fun... even if people manage to get root, all they've managed to do is get root inside of the jail, and still have no access to the machine. |
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| 21:42.21 | directhex | freanoad, 3.0r5 is the latest version of roody, i.e. the 2002 version with security updates included |
| 21:42.25 | cvt | jim, yes, I had mepis for about an hour. |
| 21:42.26 | freanoad | ah |
| 21:42.36 | freanoad | ok im back at that other site |
| 21:42.38 | directhex | *woody |
| 21:42.45 | jim | heh, ok :) so a tiny little bit |
| 21:42.47 | freanoad | i just thought that other site was to read about it not get it |
| 21:42.49 | pink1 | furrywolf - I am about to install a uml on my Sarge - any gotchas? |
| 21:43.02 | jim | ok, next, why do you want a unix-alike? |
| 21:43.10 | valdyn | !i386 |
| 21:43.10 | dpkg | it has been said that i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
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| 21:43.20 | furrywolf | pink1: sadly, I've mostly used other people's setups rather than installed my own uml system... it's on my to-do list. |
| 21:43.29 | pink1 | :-) |
| 21:43.39 | jim | sarge drops support for 386s? |
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| 21:43.50 | jim | how does it do that? kernel issue? |
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| 21:44.03 | freanoad | so the only way to get sarge is with debian-installer |
| 21:44.05 | cvt | jim, I heard many good things about linux, and I saw an advertisement that said, "Debian: Do you want fries with your elitism?" And I liked that and the screenshots and some of my friends have been urging me to get some form of linux. |
| 21:44.09 | directhex | jim, kernel issue. insecure unsupported 486 emulation patches needed to run on 386 |
| 21:44.09 | caphuso | jim: kinda. there's some kernel patching trickery, but that makes the kernel insecure |
| 21:44.11 | valdyn | jim: compiler issues afaik, assuffield knew this pretty well |
| 21:44.22 | valdyn | caphuso: ah |
| 21:44.23 | caphuso | actually it's a libc6 issue |
| 21:44.25 | jim | ok |
| 21:44.28 | jim | thanks... |
| 21:44.30 | directhex | close enough |
| 21:44.32 | furrywolf | jim: probably is compiled using instructions that weren't available on the 386. might also assume you have a math coprocessor. |
| 21:44.44 | directhex | either way, who the hell has a 386 these days anyway? |
| 21:44.45 | cvt | I'm dl this first one now: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
| 21:44.46 | Blissex | cvt: if only Debian had some elitism :-) |
| 21:44.50 | stew | furrywolf: no it runs on 486sx |
| 21:45.03 | furrywolf | directhex: somewhere in storage I have a 386 laptop with debian. :P |
| 21:45.05 | jim | well, you don't need a cd image first of all... |
| 21:45.05 | cvt | i have a 6Mbps 768 Kbps connection now. |
| 21:45.08 | ethics | <freanoad> : you can load woody then dist-upgrade but its easier to install fresh |
| 21:45.15 | cvt | jim, oh |
| 21:45.22 | freanoad | id rather install fresh |
| 21:45.26 | sammy | anyone here used phpmyadmin and have an idea why I keep getting "mysql: unable to register functions" errors? |
| 21:45.30 | foobared | directhex: I do :) |
| 21:45.41 | valdyn | cvt: i wouldnt recommend using the weekly, but that may just be fine |
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| 21:46.11 | cvt | valdyn, so the net install? |
| 21:46.17 | citral | cvt: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:46.20 | citral | netinstall |
| 21:46.27 | cvt | ty |
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| 21:46.54 | freanoad | directhex that site people gave me still has a link to that same bittorent page too thats why im also confused as to if debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent is sarge or not |
| 21:46.56 | jim | cvt: ok, so you've heard good things... that's nice to hear. the elitism thing as far as I do it, is I usually expect a person to progress... I don't really care how they start or what they come with knowledge-wise, as long as they want to progress, that's fine by me. that ok? |
| 21:47.11 | freanoad | because that link is under the 'sarge' part of that page |
| 21:47.11 | simonrvn | freanoad: no, it isn't |
| 21:47.17 | cvt | jim, yes, definitely. |
| 21:47.28 | simonrvn | it says pretty obviously "3.0r5" |
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| 21:48.03 | freanoad | i have debian 2.0 (woody) written on some cds i made a year ago so i assumed 3.0 would be sarge |
| 21:48.07 | Seb | what conf file do I edit so that my system automatically 'ifup wlan0" when I insert the corresponding PCMCIA card in my laptop ? |
| 21:48.16 | directhex | freanoad, you have to work HARD, and ignore the obvious link fivew times, to get to 3.0 r5 images from that page |
| 21:48.24 | jim | cvt: ok, -maybe- you'd want to start with stable? given your connection, you can upgrade easy enough once you have the base of stable debian installed |
| 21:48.26 | directhex | freanoad, 2.0 isn't woody |
| 21:48.37 | cvt | ok |
| 21:48.41 | simonrvn | freanoad: you're very confused i think |
| 21:48.46 | directhex | !hamm |
| 21:48.47 | dpkg | [hamm] Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 21:48.49 | jim | cvt: what is your networking like? I need a fairly complete picture |
| 21:49.03 | freanoad | i think so too :p |
| 21:49.13 | cvt | jim, I don't know... can you give me a hint? |
| 21:49.18 | valdyn | !tell cvt about woody |
| 21:49.49 | valdyn | cvt: if your computer is somewhat recent ( made after 2002 ), then woody may not support your hardware |
| 21:49.52 | jim | not your password or anything like that, but I do need to know things like what kind of networking you have (t1? dsl? cable? modem? (well you ruled that one out before actually)) |
| 21:49.55 | freanoad | i just wish i could go to debian.org and it'd make it easy to understand/get. just say 'this is woody', 'this is sarge' have at it |
| 21:50.08 | cvt | yes, my laptop is about 6 months old. |
| 21:50.14 | jim | and, do you have your building ethernet wired? |
| 21:50.21 | jim | or is it just one computer? |
| 21:50.22 | simonrvn | it does. you're just incapable of comprehending what you're reading it seems |
| 21:50.23 | doublehp | PLZ any one was giving me a tip to recover ext3 ???? |
| 21:50.29 | cvt | one computer, no router. |
| 21:50.33 | directhex | freanoad, we did, almost nine times now. |
| 21:50.34 | citral | freanoad: http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 21:50.46 | jim | so the computer is the router for itself |
| 21:50.53 | cvt | oh |
| 21:50.58 | jim | is it dsl? |
| 21:51.02 | cvt | cable |
| 21:51.07 | jim | ok |
| 21:51.21 | freanoad | citral thanks that link was what i needed |
| 21:51.21 | jim | so you have a separate box? |
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| 21:51.32 | NeoBREED | hi everyone |
| 21:51.35 | cvt | no, just one laptop pc. |
| 21:51.36 | freanoad | so testing is sarge |
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| 21:51.40 | citral | yes |
| 21:51.49 | freanoad | now i get it :D |
| 21:51.50 | NeoBREED | can someone help me with the sound on a Thinkpad600 labtop |
| 21:51.54 | NeoBREED | can't seem to get it working |
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| 21:52.13 | jim | freanoad: yes, at the moment... testing has been others (like woody was testing before it became stable) |
| 21:52.25 | Nevat_Nohara | thinkpad600 or thinkpad600e ? |
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| 21:52.33 | citral | NeoBREED: what version of debian, what kernel, using oss or alsa? |
| 21:52.34 | NeoBREED | 600 |
| 21:52.56 | Nevat_Nohara | neobreed, the soundcar is a crystal sound ? |
| 21:53.09 | NeoBREED | citral: alsa kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:53.09 | jim | cvt: is there any way you can borrow a computer to put on the network temporarily? |
| 21:53.25 | cvt | no, unfortunately. |
| 21:53.27 | NeoBREED | Nevat_Nohara, yeah I think so |
| 21:53.40 | jim | ok... does the laptop have a floppy drive? |
| 21:53.54 | jim | does the laptop have a burner? |
| 21:54.02 | cvt | no, but it does have a usb port which I have a 2.2GB thumbdrive. |
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| 21:54.11 | citral | NeoBREED: apt-get install mpg321; mpg321 -v -o alsa foo.mp3 |
| 21:54.23 | NeoBREED | k |
| 21:54.24 | cvt | and cd burner/dvd player. |
| 21:54.25 | Nevat_Nohara | neobreed.. argh, year ago I have a thinkpad600e with crystal sound card... only OSS driver works. With alsa driver sound not load. |
| 21:54.41 | jim | ok, so you do in fact need a cd image |
| 21:54.43 | simonrvn | ffs don't people read man pages ... (don't bother answering....) |
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| 21:54.58 | jim | simonrvn: people do. |
| 21:55.05 | jim | [tm] |
| 21:55.07 | citral | simonrvn: who? people? no. just men do. |
| 21:55.09 | CyL | How do I force the icons in my desktop to be every time in the same place? |
| 21:55.30 | citral | real men. (and women, sorry) |
| 21:55.34 | simonrvn | and people don't bother reading what i type either... figures |
| 21:55.35 | valdyn | CyL: in gnome? |
| 21:55.36 | cvt | i have isohunt and nero cd rom burner. |
| 21:55.41 | CyL | valdyn<=- kde |
| 21:55.50 | simonrvn | @lart jim citral |
| 21:55.51 | nopcode | hmm, can a reiserfs filesytem be extended? |
| 21:55.52 | jim | who were you directing toward? |
| 21:55.52 | Nevat_Nohara | neobreed, sorry but I don'r remember driver... I think that is CS4212 or similar |
| 21:55.54 | citral | simonrvn: you must be +q ;) |
| 21:56.03 | Gregory | I want to connect to a Windows Network. When I wanted to activate Windows Networking form Networking it tells me that the SMB Support hasn't started. How can I install it? |
| 21:56.07 | valdyn | CyL: dont know exactly then, rightclick on your desktop and have a look |
| 21:56.18 | NeoBREED | Nevat_Nohara, it's cs4232 I think |
| 21:56.19 | jim | nopcode: watch out for reiser... |
| 21:56.26 | qumran | Solved the problem .... thnks for the help |
| 21:56.35 | nopcode | jim: hm? |
| 21:56.41 | NeoBREED | someone send me a song |
| 21:56.49 | NeoBREED | I need an mp3 file |
| 21:57.03 | NeoBREED | I hope xchat is set up for accepting files |
| 21:57.04 | Nevat_Nohara | neobreed, I think that it is... cs4232... remember, use OSS driver not ALSA driver |
| 21:57.12 | Delph | NeoBREED: google |
| 21:57.14 | jim | nopcode: reiser has a history of complete data loss... back up and you'll be fine tho |
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| 21:57.51 | NeoBREED | Delph, thanks man... if only it's that simple.... I've been searching on google for a few monts... tried many methods |
| 21:57.58 | Delph | for an mp3 file? |
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| 21:58.09 | jim | cvt: ok, maybe you should install sarge (aka testing, currently) |
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| 21:58.23 | citral | NeoBREED: http://www.badgerband.com/songs/badger.mp3 |
| 21:58.25 | cvt | jim, yes, sounds right. |
| 21:58.28 | jim | cvt: but are you sure you want to -replace- what you have? |
| 21:58.29 | nopcode | jim: i heard about those horror stories but i hoped that'd be fixed by now? |
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| 21:58.41 | jim | nopcode: dunno, maybe |
| 21:58.58 | cvt | jim, yes, but i'd like to demo it until i'm completely read to make the switch, if possible. |
| 21:59.05 | cvt | ready |
| 21:59.12 | lef | any good turorials regarding exim4? |
| 21:59.15 | CyL | How do I keep the desktop icons in the same place? |
| 21:59.43 | directhex | CyL, that depends on what's drawing the desktop |
| 22:00.20 | jim | cvt: do you have a way to write the entire HD contents to cd or dvd such that you can restore it later? like norton ghost? |
| 22:00.22 | NeoBREED | citral, it couldn't play man |
| 22:00.25 | CyL | directhex<=- what should be a good default? |
| 22:00.38 | cvt | jim, yes. a 120 GB external hd. |
| 22:00.42 | citral | NeoBREED: that's not very usefull. what error? |
| 22:00.47 | directhex | CyL, eh? |
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| 22:01.14 | cvt | my data is back up now. |
| 22:01.15 | NeoBREED | citral, snd_func_card_driver returned error: no such device |
| 22:01.16 | CyL | directhex<=- I'm usign KDE... Does this clarifies something? |
| 22:01.30 | jim | ok, so you have the media... good... but do you have the imaging program necessary to create and write the image, and (important!) later restore it? |
| 22:01.47 | citral | NeoBREED: run "alsaconf" as root. |
| 22:01.49 | cvt | yes, isohunt and nero cd rom burning. |
| 22:01.54 | cvt | jim. |
| 22:02.02 | jim | one sec phone |
| 22:02.05 | NeoBREED | citral, I did that earlier no luck.... but here we go again |
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| 22:02.22 | cvt | isobuster. i'm sorry. |
| 22:02.27 | cvt | not isohunt. |
| 22:02.28 | Gregory | I want to connect to a Windows Network. When I wanted to activate Windows Networking form Networking it tells me that the SMB Support hasn't started. How can I install it? |
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| 22:02.43 | cicleon | how can i make frame buffer support for my savage 3 card? |
| 22:03.13 | NeoBREED | sigh. my friend is convincing me to go back to windows xp so the sound can work.... but I worked so hard on this thing... got the USB to work... everything to work.... but no sound |
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| 22:03.37 | citral | NeoBREED: alsaconf doesn't detect the sound card? |
| 22:03.47 | directhex | CyL, yes, it does. ask in a kde channel, that's a kde question |
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| 22:04.03 | directhex | Gregory, apt-get install smbclient smbfs |
| 22:04.19 | Unskill3d | does somebody know why the gdm-themes dont work? i can switch to whatever theme but nothing happens |
| 22:04.26 | tvn | NeoBREED: laptop ? |
| 22:04.39 | NeoBREED | tvn, Thinkpad600 |
| 22:04.52 | Nevat___ | neobreed, doesn't work ? |
| 22:04.53 | NeoBREED | no... nothing detects the darn thing... I've tried so many methods.. |
| 22:04.57 | NeoBREED | nah |
| 22:04.57 | valdyn | Unskill3d: theres 2 gdm modes, one simple mode and one graphical mode, you dont need to only switch theme, but you need to use the graphical mode |
| 22:05.12 | CyL | directhex<=- okay.. let me try this.. |
| 22:05.14 | dondelelcaro | NeoBREED: what type of sound card is it? |
| 22:05.18 | Unskill3d | valdyn: where do i find this option? |
| 22:05.19 | CyL | directhex<=- thanks |
| 22:05.44 | tvn | NeoBREED: checked at http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ or tuxmobil.org |
| 22:05.49 | NeoBREED | dondelelcaro, I believe it to be a cs4232 |
| 22:05.56 | Unskill3d | valdyn: ah got it |
| 22:05.57 | citral | NeoBREED: it is |
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| 22:06.05 | Unskill3d | valdyn: thx a lot again! =) |
| 22:06.19 | citral | NeoBREED: is the module loaded? "lsmod | grep cs4232" |
| 22:06.51 | immo | NeoBREED, maybe thats your problem |
| 22:07.02 | Nevat___ | neobreed, don't have modules similar to 4212 or 4216 ? |
| 22:07.17 | astronut | what's the tool used to open raw ssl connections (pop over ssl, https, etc) |
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| 22:07.37 | Delph | astronut: stunnel? |
| 22:07.51 | astronut | not installe |
| 22:07.51 | astronut | d |
| 22:07.52 | astronut | hmm |
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| 22:08.15 | jim | ok, I'm off the phone |
| 22:08.21 | jim | cvt: still here? |
| 22:08.26 | cvt | yes |
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| 22:09.10 | jim | ok, so you should first back up your system such that you'd be able to restore it with NOTHING but the imaging program |
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| 22:09.37 | jim | (i.e., you wouldn't have xp available to restore the xp) |
| 22:09.44 | hklv | I have only one kernel installed on my system, and I lost its initrd. So I cant' boot anymore. How can I fix this problem? |
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| 22:09.47 | NeoBREED | nothing is shown on that lsmod |
| 22:10.14 | citral | NeoBREED: so try "modprobe cs4232" as root, the re-run alsaconf |
| 22:10.21 | citral | s/the/then/ |
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| 22:10.29 | holo | hi, i want to implement something that allows people to remotly browse their personal areas on my computer with such a transparency as they were on their computer, what is the best solution? |
| 22:10.40 | jim | cvt: also, I have some more background questions, the first of which is what do you actually do with your computer, and what do you see yourself learning to do? |
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| 22:10.48 | cvt | jim, I think I've done that, not sure; i have saved my music, documents, and programs that I wanted to back up and put them on an external hd. right. |
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| 22:11.00 | cvt | jim, ok..... |
| 22:11.04 | doub | hklv: brute force idea : apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 22:11.12 | k-dog | With smbclient how do I list available shares / networks w/o knowing specifics of domain and w/o a user auth? |
| 22:11.16 | jim | ok, so you have at least material you originally created saved |
| 22:11.16 | stew | citral: you are telling him to modprobe the oss driver then run alsaconf? |
| 22:11.23 | doub | hklv: but there's obviously some other graceful way |
| 22:11.27 | NeoBREED | citral, doing it (althought I've done it many times today) |
| 22:11.31 | citral | oh shit |
| 22:11.53 | cvt | jim, I play movies, music, work with a simple word processor like Notepad, use irc or xchat, and use mozilla, and work with pictures. |
| 22:11.57 | stew | NeoBREED: modprobe -r cs4232 ; modprobe snd-cs4232 |
| 22:11.59 | hklv | doub: I can't boot into my system, so I can't apt-get... |
| 22:12.08 | nopcode | cvt: notepad? |
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| 22:12.10 | jim | ok... |
| 22:12.11 | nopcode | cvt: rotfl |
| 22:12.14 | doub | hklv: boot with the install cd |
| 22:12.25 | hklv | doub: then? |
| 22:12.35 | drac | Can anyone tell me what generates these: /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/fonts.cache-1 and similar fonts.cache-1 files? |
| 22:12.46 | citral | NeoBREED: sorry, do what stew says |
| 22:12.46 | jim | so you could use something like nano for your text editing needs |
| 22:12.52 | drac | I have them, but my friend doesn't and strace on one program we compiled shows it's crashing on it. |
| 22:13.02 | jim | what programs do you use for the pictures |
| 22:13.14 | doub | hklv: then alt-f2, you'll be on the rescue term. "mkdir /mnt&& mount <root partition> /mnt && chroot /mnt" then apt-get or whatever you want |
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| 22:13.31 | doub | hklv: if you have several partition, "mount -a " in the chroot first |
| 22:13.57 | NeoBREED | Error inserting snd_cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.8yadiya/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko): no such device |
| 22:14.06 | jim | there is a program called "The Gimp" that is sorta like photoshop... but many people say they like the feel of photoshop better... |
| 22:14.08 | Nevat___ | er... |
| 22:14.13 | cvt | jim, the default application for winxp, to view .jpg, .gif pictures.... I think it's photosmart maybe. |
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| 22:14.22 | Nevat___ | neobreed look for a cs4212 or cs4216 modules |
| 22:14.25 | hklv | doub: thanks! |
| 22:14.38 | jim | how do you "work with pictures"? just view and comment on them? |
| 22:14.42 | alexmcc | how do I re-install lilo while I am in knoppix? |
| 22:14.44 | NeoBREED | Nevat___, I will try |
| 22:14.54 | cvt | jim, yes. |
| 22:14.56 | citral | there's also a snd-cs4281 I see |
| 22:14.57 | jim | alexmcc: run /sbin/lilo |
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| 22:15.00 | furrywolf | jim: view them, shut the door, view more of them... |
| 22:15.01 | doub | hklv: beware that the d-i install cd uses devfs _only_ device names (/dev/ide/target0/bus0/ ... blah) |
| 22:15.15 | cvt | jim, just viewing them. |
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| 22:15.20 | astronut | Delph: it was openssl s_client -connect host:port |
| 22:15.20 | NeoBREED | Nevat___, none found |
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| 22:15.37 | citral | NeoBREED: snd-cs4281? |
| 22:15.48 | jim | cvt: ok, so much for what you do now... linux -could- replace all that. |
| 22:15.51 | Nevat___ | Neobreed, here is http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html |
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| 22:15.55 | Delph | astronut: s_client ? |
| 22:15.57 | astronut | ya |
| 22:16.01 | Nevat___ | neobreed, is for 600e but the soundcare are the same |
| 22:16.02 | NeoBREED | OH SHIT |
| 22:16.03 | astronut | arguement to openssl |
| 22:16.08 | Delph | hmm. |
| 22:16.24 | jim | I'm not saying it would do it in a way you like... maybe in a way you can get used to (but that's true no matter what: you will have to get used to what you end up with) |
| 22:16.24 | NeoBREED | snd-cs4281: setting up ALSA.... done |
| 22:16.27 | NeoBREED | does that mena it works? |
| 22:16.28 | Delph | and that just gives you stdin and stdout to the socket? |
| 22:16.34 | Nevat___ | it's possible |
| 22:16.40 | astronut | ya |
| 22:16.44 | Delph | aah |
| 22:16.49 | chr1s | hi |
| 22:16.55 | Delph | yeah, stunnel does ssh-type bind local port to remote port thing |
| 22:16.57 | cvt | jim, great. that's fine. |
| 22:17.06 | NeoBREED | *sigh, nope |
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| 22:17.11 | citral | NeoBREED: looks fine, run alsaconf to be sure |
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| 22:17.30 | NeoBREED | citral, doing that |
| 22:17.30 | chr1s | I've done a fresh debian install, but now my font is very weird on my lcd |
| 22:17.51 | chr1s | It's quite sharp on my CRT, but on my LCD it's really messy |
| 22:18.05 | chr1s | Has anyone got any idea what the problem could be? |
| 22:18.08 | jim | cvt: ok... beyond this point I assume you have everything backed up, and are ready to -replace- your operating system, -wiping- your laptop -clean-. (as you know, this is an -extreme- action.) |
| 22:18.16 | cvt | jim, yes. |
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| 22:18.37 | mightytharos | Hi |
| 22:18.40 | NeoBREED | chrls: maybe it's your depth... you set it to 24? try 16 |
| 22:18.53 | NeoBREED | chrls: happened to me |
| 22:18.54 | furrywolf | woot! tracked down the freecraft-breaks-mount bug ( http://channels.debian.net/paste/40 ) -- freecraft attempts to open the cdrom, but in the process, leaves file handles open, including /dev/hdc... thus making the kernel not want to mount /dev/hdc1. |
| 22:19.00 | chr1s | NeoBREED: In my previous install it worked fine on 24 |
| 22:19.03 | jim | what you can do is get a sarge d-i cd image, write it to a cd and try booting it |
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| 22:19.19 | cvt | jim, ok.... |
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| 22:19.23 | NeoBREED | chrls: couldn't hurt to try... LOL |
| 22:19.41 | cvt | jim, I have this on my hd now: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
| 22:19.43 | cvt | the first one. |
| 22:19.46 | jim | I'm -still- curious about what you see yourself doing in the future... anything different from now? |
| 22:19.57 | NeoBREED | believe me... I'm like a whore without protection... I try everything... and nothing has worked for me |
| 22:20.03 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 22:20.11 | NeoBREED | man... someday... perhaps... some day my sound will work |
| 22:20.13 | cvt | jim, videos, pictures, documents, firefox with extensions, and music. |
| 22:20.15 | NeoBREED | then it is good |
| 22:20.27 | jim | sarge-i386-1.iso? |
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| 22:20.47 | cvt | jim, and I hear linux is generally safer and more dependable. yes the first one. |
| 22:20.48 | Nevat___ | neobreed look that url, works for me... http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html |
| 22:20.59 | jim | you could try booting that |
| 22:21.14 | jim | well writing it to a blank cd then trying to boot that cd |
| 22:21.20 | hklv | doub: I'm using knoppix now. I chrooted into my root partition. When I run apt-get update, I get this error: FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor |
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| 22:21.58 | cvt | ok.... I hate to say this, but I couldn't understand the instructions on how to install it, but I could try again with this new image. |
| 22:22.01 | cvt | jim. |
| 22:22.31 | cvt | ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/3.0_r1/ |
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| 22:22.34 | citral | Nevat___: excepted that nobody wants to add these stupid Added these lines to /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99local: |
| 22:22.36 | cvt | that's what I tried first. |
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| 22:23.43 | doub | hklv: is strace installed on your system ? you can try to strace it and see what goes wrong |
| 22:23.55 | citral | NeoBREED: I'm curious, can you try to do "lspci" to see _exactly_ what your sound card is? |
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| 22:24.02 | jim | cvt: ok, the basic overall process is: |
| 22:24.07 | doub | hklv: if it's not installed, and if knoppix has one, copy knoppix's over to your system |
| 22:24.15 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.17 | systemadmin | tring to do an if staement and it not being happy with me |
| 22:24.24 | systemadmin | lol |
| 22:24.34 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.38 | citral | curious because modprobe snd-4232 failed, but snd-4281 worked |
| 22:24.42 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.54 | citral | and it *should* be snd-4232 |
| 22:24.55 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.07 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.10 | stew | citral: if 4281 worked and 4232 didn't then he lied when he said he had a thinkpad 600 |
| 22:25.10 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.15 | stew | afaik |
| 22:25.19 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.20 | citral | I think so |
| 22:25.23 | cvt | ok, equal size of both partitians? |
| 22:25.31 | hklv | doub: it's probably because of knoppix. Is there a rescue mode with the netinstall cd? |
| 22:25.34 | Nevat___ | citral, when I have thinkpad 600e sound only works with this "modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0" |
| 22:25.40 | jim | no, the swap is more related to your ram sized |
| 22:25.57 | stew | jim: linux doesn't care about the bootable flag |
| 22:26.08 | cvt | jim, so make the swap about 1.256 GB? |
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| 22:26.16 | stew | jim: oh nm i misread what you were saying |
| 22:26.21 | cvt | that's what I have. |
| 22:26.33 | jim | stew: "make bootable" would involve somethign like "put lilo on there" |
| 22:26.37 | stew | yeah |
| 22:26.47 | doub | hklv: as i told you, boot on the install cd. once you see the first menu "select language...", alt-f2, you'll be on the rescue console |
| 22:26.52 | stew | jim: i thought you were talking about partitions there for a second. |
| 22:26.55 | sussudio | i see a spambot |
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| 22:27.05 | NeoBREED | citral, I can't see anything that deals with sound card |
| 22:27.20 | sussudio | go on, Life... |
| 22:27.21 | citral | NeoBREED: where? |
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| 22:27.23 | cvt | jim, I suppose I'm ready to go try it. Is there anything else I should try to read? I tried searching. |
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| 22:27.34 | citral | ah, lspci |
| 22:27.40 | sussudio | meh... must be a time-delayed spambot. |
| 22:27.59 | doub | hklv: if you need disk tools (fdisk, mkfs...), back to the installer, "detect and mount cdrom", until you're at configure network |
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| 22:28.05 | stew | NeoBREED: 'multimedia controller'? how about lspci | grep -i crys ? |
| 22:28.18 | doub | hklv: then go back to the rescue console, you should have them at hand |
| 22:28.39 | jim | cvt: the basic deal is we should get the basic debian on there, get your networking going, install an irc client, come back here |
| 22:28.43 | NeoBREED | stew, nothing came out? |
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| 22:28.53 | cvt | jim, ok. |
| 22:29.05 | jim | now about your networking again... how does the cable get to your laptop? |
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| 22:29.26 | cvt | jim, ethernet cable, port. |
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| 22:30.02 | jim | ok, do you have to run a special program to get your networking going? or plug it in and that's all? |
| 22:30.12 | hklv | doub: ok, I'll restart using the netinstall cd and I will folow your instructions. |
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| 22:30.31 | cvt | jim, just plug in. |
| 22:30.47 | jim | ok... do you have a static ip? |
| 22:31.06 | jim | or is it different every time? |
| 22:31.17 | cvt | jim, static. |
| 22:32.04 | bltzfsck | is there a way for a user to view his login password? |
| 22:32.16 | jim | 68.52.241.56? |
| 22:32.21 | Guerin | bltzfsck: no. |
| 22:32.27 | doub | bltzfsck: no. you can just change it |
| 22:32.34 | jim | bltzfsck: nope. no way at all. |
| 22:32.34 | cvt | jim, yes. |
| 22:32.35 | bltzfsck | that's what i thought |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | bltzfsck: nor should there be, for if a user can view it, anyone can. |
| 22:32.43 | bltzfsck | right |
| 22:32.50 | cvt | jim, should I write that down? |
| 22:32.56 | jim | yep. |
| 22:33.03 | jim | and at least one nameserver IP |
| 22:33.17 | cvt | like comcast? |
| 22:33.44 | cvt | oh |
| 22:33.45 | jim | well, yes, whichever nameserver comcast gave you to use |
| 22:33.49 | bltzfsck | on a different note, is 64bit linux ready for prime time? I'm thinking about building a new box. |
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| 22:34.03 | bltzfsck | looking at athlon64 or opteron |
| 22:34.21 | dondelelcaro | bltzfsck: if you can handle a little bit of reading of documentation on your own, yes. |
| 22:34.28 | cvt | jim, i see dhcp server, dns servers, and wins server. |
| 22:34.40 | cvt | jim,... in network connection details. |
| 22:34.51 | bltzfsck | documentation gives me mild nausea, but if i have to... |
| 22:34.54 | jim | cvt: so there is a dhcp? hmm |
| 22:35.00 | cvt | yes |
| 22:35.03 | NeoBREED | IT WORKED!!!! |
| 22:35.06 | NeoBREED | MY GOSH |
| 22:35.06 | bltzfsck | what docs should i look at? |
| 22:35.27 | NeoBREED | music Have neversounded so beautifully |
| 22:35.27 | jim | ok, so when you try connecting to the network, tell the installer to try obtaining an ip |
| 22:35.46 | cvt | ok |
| 22:36.04 | jim | and it -should- get its name, ip, nameservers, netmask, etc automatically |
| 22:36.05 | citral | it wikll try from alone |
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| 22:36.31 | citral | *itself |
| 22:36.35 | chr1s | has anyone else experienced a freezed system when upgrading to the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:36.35 | cvt | jim, ok |
| 22:36.58 | chr1s | after about 30 seconds in X the system just freezes |
| 22:36.58 | jim | cvt: one thing you might try, is going just that far... don't change the disk, just try to get networking going... if you can do that much, you're good to go on |
| 22:37.13 | cvt | ok |
| 22:37.14 | bltzfsck | dondelelcaro, are you running 64 bit ? |
| 22:37.50 | jim | one thing that might be important (well, -is- important, but maybe handled already) is what kind of net interface card you have |
| 22:38.14 | bltzfsck | i only build a box every several years, so i don't want to be TOO far behind the wave |
| 22:38.26 | jim | same here |
| 22:38.31 | systemadmin | iam trying to compare 2 vars $user and $root , my line is if $user = $root then echo "is root" else echo "is not root" fi |
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| 22:38.35 | cvt | jim, realtek tls8139/810x family fast e. |
| 22:38.36 | cvt | ? |
| 22:38.37 | Quag7 | Chris, what videocard do you have? |
| 22:38.48 | chr1s | a radeon |
| 22:38.50 | chr1s | maybe that's it |
| 22:39.00 | jim | cvt: you could boot to determine if it sees your net card |
| 22:39.02 | nopcode | atisux *cough* |
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| 22:39.10 | Quag7 | Whenever X freezes, if I had to bet, I always blindly bet it's something videocard related. |
| 22:39.20 | systemadmin | i get this erro |
| 22:39.20 | Quag7 | I'm not always right but usually I am :) |
| 22:39.22 | jim | if it does, can you get the networking going via dhcp |
| 22:39.25 | systemadmin | line 32: =: command not found |
| 22:39.33 | cvt | jim, can I boot just from cd without actually installing it? |
| 22:39.36 | chr1s | Quag7: it's not only X, it's the _whole_ system |
| 22:39.53 | Quag7 | chr1s, I've been through that and it had to do with acceleration not working. |
| 22:39.58 | Quag7 | Meaning, the whole system |
| 22:40.05 | Quag7 | Can't get a console, can't even ssh into it. |
| 22:40.12 | Quag7 | But I had a crappy old nvidia card. |
| 22:40.33 | Quag7 | Now as to why that would just stop with a kernel upgrade I cannot say. |
| 22:40.45 | jim | yes, but I'm not sure what you could try... I think D-I (debian-installer, the new installer software) will try to let you get your networking going as early as possible |
| 22:41.25 | jim | anyone know which netinst cd image would or would not support cvt's net card? |
| 22:41.35 | dondelelcaro | bltzfsck: no, I'm not... but there is Debian amd64 port, where you can read about people's experiences who are. |
| 22:41.50 | cvt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.53 | Guerin | just download the businesscard d-i |
| 22:42.09 | bltzfsck | dondelelcaro, on debian.org? |
| 22:42.13 | jim | !d-i |
| 22:42.13 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:42.24 | Guerin | boot into expert or expert26 and try to detect the card... if it works, continue, if it doesn't, don't. |
| 22:42.25 | jim | from ^^^^ here ^^^^? |
| 22:42.43 | chr1s | well thanks Quag7, I'll try to make some adjustments to my XF86Config |
| 22:42.46 | nopcode | bltzfsck: why is that? |
| 22:42.54 | Guerin | the businesscard is less than 40mb, it's not a big deal |
| 22:43.20 | lef | any good turorials regarding exim4? |
| 22:43.20 | Quag7 | It is disturbing that a search on "tls8139" on google turns up nothing. |
| 22:43.20 | jim | he has about an hour's worth of experience with linux/unix at the moment... and he can't talk to us while he does this |
| 22:43.29 | nopcode | bltzfsck: what is gnometris? |
| 22:43.47 | bltzfsck | nopcode, a dumbass game, like tetris. it was a joke |
| 22:43.52 | drac | Quag7: What's tsl8139? |
| 22:43.57 | jim | his reasons for installing: he wants something different/maybe better |
| 22:44.11 | Quag7 | It is a Realtek network card |
| 22:44.12 | nopcode | bltzfsck: i was just looking for an opportunity to bitch about guis and gui users |
| 22:44.24 | Guerin | realtek are pretty well supported... what model? |
| 22:44.29 | Quag7 | I see in the kernel modules |
| 22:44.32 | drac | Quag7: Ah, like I suspected. I have same 8139. |
| 22:44.34 | bltzfsck | nopcode, i'm a cli'er at heart |
| 22:44.36 | Guerin | 90% of cheap eth out thee is 8139 |
| 22:44.39 | drac | Quag7: module names aer: 8139too and 8139cp |
| 22:44.42 | drac | are |
| 22:44.55 | Guerin | oh yeah, that'll be automatically detected by anything |
| 22:44.57 | Quag7 | Yes |
| 22:45.07 | Quag7 | cvt, I wasnt following your issue |
| 22:45.14 | Quag7 | have you tried insmodding the modules drac mentions? |
| 22:45.19 | bltzfsck | a rodent driver i'll never beeeeeee |
| 22:45.21 | nopcode | bltzfsck: very well, but at whom should i direct my hate then? |
| 22:45.24 | jim | Quag7: this is a new install by a new person |
| 22:45.28 | Quag7 | OK |
| 22:45.30 | Quag7 | I see |
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| 22:45.48 | jim | he is adventurous tho |
| 22:45.50 | Quag7 | Is Debian already fully installed except, no network access? Or is this a problem during the install (installing from the net)? |
| 22:45.53 | marla | nopcode, i love pretty pictures, where can i find some??????? |
| 22:46.01 | nopcode | marla: *G* |
| 22:46.16 | jim | Quag7: no, not at all yet... he has only one machine |
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| 22:46.29 | jim | it has xp, he's looking to replace it |
| 22:46.29 | gass | hello |
| 22:46.56 | gass | there was a package that crete a cd for auto instalation, but i can't find it now |
| 22:47.01 | gass | create* |
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| 22:47.09 | nopcode | hm i wonder if one could submit a law that whipping gui-users in public is considered legal |
| 22:47.10 | jim | cd-image? |
| 22:47.10 | cafuego | gass: fai |
| 22:47.12 | gass | does anyone know it? |
| 22:47.13 | sTone_heAd | gass, fai? |
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| 22:47.17 | Quag7 | That is a really common network card; that should just work. |
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| 22:47.31 | stew | resiak: do you have a tail? |
| 22:47.32 | cafuego | resiak: oi, get a room! |
| 22:47.35 | jim | Quag7: cool :) so he's ready to try it |
| 22:47.39 | resiak | stew: Several. |
| 22:47.41 | gass | cafuego: nop ... i was a settle of scripts, where we could select packages to install, kernel, etc |
| 22:47.42 | bltzfsck | nopcode, let's get 'em good, and start spelling it GOOEY |
| 22:47.43 | resiak | cafuego: CHANNEL! |
| 22:47.45 | furrywolf | stew: I don't think he does, but I do. :P |
| 22:48.03 | cafuego | !popesmite resiak |
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| 22:48.07 | Quag7 | jim: I thought he was having problems with that card :) -- that card should be autodetected I should think; it is common and basic. |
| 22:48.10 | resiak | Hahahah. |
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| 22:48.27 | Quag7 | Thanks drac |
| 22:48.59 | gass | it was auto-install |
| 22:49.00 | jim | Quag7: well, the real issue is he's not quite sure he wants linux... so we're trying to think of ways he can preview |
| 22:49.04 | bltzfsck | thingfish, you stink of GALOOT |
| 22:49.06 | gass | or something like that |
| 22:49.11 | Quag7 | The question is games. |
| 22:49.18 | Quag7 | And whether or not he likes to dig around |
| 22:49.21 | Quag7 | in his system |
| 22:49.23 | Quag7 | :) |
| 22:49.27 | Quag7 | There is always cygwin, also Knoppix |
| 22:49.32 | cafuego | jim: Probably a livecd. I suggest 9k)ubuntu. |
| 22:49.37 | nopcode | bltzfsck: *g* |
| 22:49.39 | Quag7 | Knoppix isn't a bad bet, you can boot right off of CD and play with it |
| 22:49.44 | Quag7 | I havent used it though |
| 22:49.49 | Quag7 | But people on Slashdot SWEAR BY IT |
| 22:49.52 | Quag7 | Maybe thats not saying much :) |
| 22:49.52 | jim | so I had him back up his hd, and he said he did |
| 22:50.01 | bltzfsck | my FAVRIT CULAHGNUH |
| 22:50.06 | cafuego | Quag7: There are no people on slashdot, only retarded children. |
| 22:50.21 | Quag7 | That is rather cynical :) |
| 22:50.23 | furrywolf | people on slashdot swear by slashdot. need I say more? :P |
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| 22:50.29 | jim | Quag7: and purposeful, racist trolls |
| 22:50.46 | Quag7 | Not everyone on slashdot is bad. It's too bad a bunch of people have ruined what can be a really interesting site. |
| 22:50.53 | Quag7 | Need to read +3 :) |
| 22:50.57 | gass | cafuego: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/autoinstall/news/1.html |
| 22:51.19 | cafuego | gass: found 'im? good. |
| 22:51.22 | jim | cvt: so you could give it a shot now if you want |
| 22:51.27 | bltzfsck | nopcode, can you complete the sentence "Did a vehicle come from somewhere out there just to land in the ____?" |
| 22:51.54 | nopcode | bltzfsck: mh |
| 22:51.57 | cvt | jim, yes, I will. and if I can't get it to work I'll reinstall winxp. no problem. |
| 22:51.59 | nopcode | bltzfsck: "pool"? |
| 22:52.04 | bltzfsck | ANDES |
| 22:52.05 | nopcode | bltzfsck: wait |
| 22:52.17 | nopcode | bltzfsck: is this some kind of pycho-analysis shit? ;) |
| 22:52.23 | Quag7 | good attitude cvt. Debian is really easier to install now than ever before; hope you have luck cvt |
| 22:52.29 | cvt | jim, if I follow the instructions I'll end up with a desktop similar to the screenshots on google, rigth? |
| 22:52.34 | bltzfsck | nah, it's a zappa recognition test |
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| 22:52.38 | r00tz | hi |
| 22:52.46 | r00tz | upgrade my postfix for 2.2.2 |
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| 22:52.55 | bltzfsck | i thought you were picking up on the GALOOT reference.... |
| 22:52.58 | r00tz | and my auth smtp stop |
| 22:52.59 | r00tz | Apr 20 19:51:25 gw postfix/smtpd[6503]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 22:52.59 | r00tz | Apr 20 19:51:25 gw postfix/smtpd[6503]: warning: unknown[200.102.97.210]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed |
| 22:53.00 | gass | cafuego: but it was removed from debian |
| 22:53.03 | furrywolf | bltzfsck: and the answer, obviously, is the boilivian navy on maneuvers in the northern pacific. |
| 22:53.08 | r00tz | someone knows this? |
| 22:53.16 | cafuego | gass: That's OK, just use 'fai'. |
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| 22:53.27 | NeoBREED | Thank you everyone for all your help today. |
| 22:53.33 | cafuego | gass: That sets up automagic install CDs. |
| 22:53.34 | furrywolf | whoops, that should be south pacific, shouldn't it? |
| 22:53.46 | NeoBREED | Thanks Nev___ for helping witht he sound |
| 22:53.47 | gass | cafuego: it does? |
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| 22:53.53 | stew | r00tz: if we did it would be in the bts |
| 22:53.58 | cafuego | !info fai |
| 22:54.01 | dpkg | fai: (Fully Automatic Installation), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.8 (sid), Packaged size: 582 kB, Installed size: 1916 kB |
| 22:54.03 | Nevat___ | neo, that's nothing :) |
| 22:54.09 | gass | cafuego: i thought that fai would mount an nfs to install it |
| 22:54.18 | NeoBREED | now everything is all set |
| 22:54.20 | NeoBREED | I can finally sleep |
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| 22:54.27 | NeoBREED | and enjoy my birthday |
| 22:54.29 | jim | cvt: you'll first end up with a command-line system... we have to install the graphic stuff afterwards, and there are irc clients that work with text-only/non-graphic |
| 22:54.36 | NeoBREED | welcome to club 22 for me :) |
| 22:54.40 | jim | like... irssi, bitchx |
| 22:54.47 | NeoBREED | with a new Debian Thinkpad600 ... nice and sexy LOL |
| 22:54.57 | Nevat___ | happy birthday neo |
| 22:55.06 | cvt | jim, oh. so it'll show me the commands? |
| 22:55.06 | NeoBREED | thank you. |
| 22:55.11 | phaedral | i prefer irssi even when x is running and i could use gaim |
| 22:55.14 | phaedral | $.02 |
| 22:55.15 | bltzfsck | too bad turdferguson is too long to be a nickname. |
| 22:55.18 | nopcode | phaedral: ack! |
| 22:55.32 | NeoBREED | it's hitler's birthday as well... so I'm kind of scared... there's always some stupid shit happening on my birthday |
| 22:55.34 | cafuego | gass: Hmm, you're right. |
| 22:55.38 | bltzfsck | sounds montypythonish to me, furrywolf, or maybe |
| 22:55.48 | furrywolf | bltz: nope |
| 22:56.02 | bltzfsck | what's the peter sellers one about the mad general? |
| 22:56.08 | Quag7 | You know it occurs to me I've never seen a really good doc for Linux users coming from Windows, explaining what X is vs. the command line, and sort of... |
| 22:56.10 | furrywolf | close, though. it's a british comedy... |
| 22:56.13 | Quag7 | Dr Strangelove |
| 22:56.20 | doub | NeoBREED: as is the case for everyone, hitler or not, i bet |
| 22:56.24 | jim | no, you'd have to install it (apt-get install irssi (run this as root) for example, and then irssi (run this as normal user)) |
| 22:56.29 | NeoBREED | haha |
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| 22:56.33 | phaedral | Quag7: in the beginning was the command line |
| 22:56.33 | NeoBREED | doub, true. |
| 22:56.33 | bltzfsck | quag, thats tha one |
| 22:56.34 | gass | cafuego: thanks |
| 22:56.42 | phaedral | stephenson, at www.crytponomicon.com |
| 22:56.45 | cvt | jim, just type that in? |
| 22:56.47 | jim | NeoBREED: so you got your machine going? |
| 22:56.48 | cvt | irssi |
| 22:56.59 | furrywolf | Red Dwarf.... |
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| 22:57.17 | jim | cvt: after you do the initial install and reboot into your new system |
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| 22:57.18 | Quag7 | When you are done installing your system, log in as root (it will ask you to set up your root account). Type: apt-get install irssi -- when this is done, type irssi and then /server irc.freenode.net then /join #debian |
| 22:57.28 | stew | Quag7: you mean irssi-text |
| 22:57.30 | Quag7 | oh |
| 22:57.31 | Quag7 | yeah |
| 22:57.31 | Quag7 | thanks |
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| 22:57.35 | cvt | jim, ok. |
| 22:57.43 | Quag7 | I have Gentoo on the brain |
| 22:57.47 | bltzfsck | somebody regale me with tips on building an amd64 box |
| 22:57.52 | jim | What Quag7 said too. |
| 22:58.01 | nopcode | bltzfsck: what kinda tips? |
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| 22:58.01 | cafuego | bltzfsck: Building as in hardware? |
| 22:58.07 | bltzfsck | hardware |
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| 22:58.19 | nopcode | bltzfsck: well i can only say i'm pretty happy with my asus a8v deluxe |
| 22:58.24 | bltzfsck | like is it worth holding out for pciexpress video? |
| 22:58.24 | nopcode | bltzfsck: just the wlan-stuff doesn't work |
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| 22:58.35 | Quag7 | We were somewhere outside of Da Nang on hill 437 when Jonesy brought up the CPU and motherboard. We were 32 bit men living in a 64 bit world, and we wanted a leg up on Charlie. And our ace in the hole...was AMD. |
| 22:58.49 | nopcode | bltzfsck: i don't think it is, yet.. but i'm not too sure.. i bought this box on xmas and then i decided it wasn't worth it |
| 22:58.54 | cafuego | bltzfsck: 1) Gigabyte mobos rock. 2) Non-FX chips are cheaper. 3) 512MB ram minimum. 4) Nforce is faster. 5) SATA works fine. WDs are nice and quiet. 6) nvidia gfx card. Seriously. |
| 22:59.02 | bltzfsck | quag7 i'm right there with ya brotherman |
| 22:59.03 | nopcode | cafuego: nforce wtf? |
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| 22:59.18 | nopcode | cafuego: nforce doesn't even have drivers afair |
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| 22:59.19 | cvt | jim, ok. I wrote all that down. |
| 22:59.21 | shingouz | Quag7: Hamburger HIll? |
| 22:59.31 | cafuego | nopcode: I must be imagining my machine working, then. |
| 22:59.40 | bltzfsck | how does sata stack up to scsi? |
| 22:59.41 | stew | cvt: it should be apt-get install irssi-text, not irssi |
| 22:59.42 | nopcode | cafuego: nonfree drivers? |
| 22:59.44 | Quag7 | In my example, cvt, I said to type apt-get install irssi -- as stew pointed out, you should type: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 22:59.48 | cafuego | nopcode: No, just in the kernel. |
| 22:59.48 | Quag7 | So make sure you fix that in what you wrote down |
| 22:59.54 | cvt | ok |
| 23:00.00 | cvt | done. |
| 23:00.06 | jim | cvt: what I would do if I were you, is explore first... and also, you might get another installer in this place... |
| 23:00.07 | cafuego | bltzfsck: It's about as fast and as hell of a lot cheaper. |
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| 23:00.09 | jim | !d-i |
| 23:00.09 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:00.10 | Quag7 | This will get you back here where you can get some more help, if all goes right |
| 23:00.13 | NeoBREED | Nevat___, sorry to bother you again. I was wondering.... to play mp3 files... do I need anything else besides xmms? |
| 23:00.13 | nopcode | cafuego: and the chipset on the a8v deluxe is supposed to be equally fast |
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| 23:00.19 | nopcode | cafuego: according to tomshardware |
| 23:00.20 | jim | see where dpkg said? |
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| 23:00.33 | nopcode | cafuego: exception being gigabit ethernet |
| 23:00.34 | Nevat___ | neobreed, of course... KDE or Gnome ? |
| 23:00.36 | matsuo | Hey, anyone here have ndiswrapper/wifi experence? Especially with a Netgear WG111? |
| 23:00.38 | bltzfsck | cafuego, what about the nvidia gfx. that agp? |
| 23:00.53 | cafuego | bltzfsck: Mine's AGP yes. I got a fairly low-end box. |
| 23:01.00 | NeoBREED | Nevat___, I am only running fluxbox |
| 23:01.03 | cvt | jim, yes. |
| 23:01.11 | donw | Odd problem with NFS; I have a directory owned by root and a group that exists on both the client and the server, yet a user in 'group' can't create any files in this directory. Directory perms are 775, and a 'tcpdump' didn't help much -- any ideas? |
| 23:01.13 | PerfDave | NeoBREED: You can play mp3 files with xmms with any X display, or from the command line with mp3blaster or something. |
| 23:01.14 | Nevat___ | Neobreed, sorry... only need xmms... nothing more... |
| 23:01.15 | cafuego | bltzfsck: When I got mine, ATI had no 64bit drivers at all. |
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| 23:01.24 | cafuego | bltzfsck: .. the nvidia ones compile and work just fine. |
| 23:01.31 | PerfDave | donw: Do the groups and users have matching IDs? |
| 23:01.34 | nopcode | and ati are nazis |
| 23:01.45 | bltzfsck | cafuego, i'm having fits getting the nvidia driver to work with my card |
| 23:01.53 | bltzfsck | gave up and stuck with nv |
| 23:01.55 | cafuego | bltzfsck: Which card? |
| 23:02.03 | bltzfsck | lemme think |
| 23:02.12 | bltzfsck | (two beers after work) |
| 23:02.16 | cafuego | They apaprently broke support for older cards |
| 23:02.18 | doub | cafuego: isn't nforce a 32 bit chipset ? |
| 23:02.19 | matsuo | Anyone have a moment to try and help me out with a USB wifi card? |
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| 23:02.45 | donw | PerfDave: Yes. |
| 23:02.50 | cafuego | doub: nforce3/4 aren't |
| 23:02.57 | Eclipser | bleh |
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| 23:02.59 | cvt | jim, I suppose I'm ready to get started. anything else for now? |
| 23:03.04 | Eclipser | sarge libfox is awfully old |
| 23:03.15 | bltzfsck | phone call, back in a flash |
| 23:03.33 | Eclipser | sid one isn't very new either though |
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| 23:04.35 | jim | cvt: not that I can think of. debian is a fairly modular system; once you have the "base" installed, you can install what you want from there |
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| 23:04.43 | PerfDave | donw: Anything in /var/log/daemon.log about it? |
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| 23:05.23 | cvt | jim, great. I'll get started now. bbl, hopefully. ty, btw. |
| 23:05.29 | jim | welcome |
| 23:05.29 | donw | PerfDave: Nope; nothing in any of the system logs (kern, syslog, etc.) |
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| 23:05.59 | PerfDave | donw: Can you create files as the relevant user on the NFS server? |
| 23:06.12 | Quag7 | There he goes... |
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| 23:06.20 | matsuo | Anyone have a moment to try working on a USB wifi card? |
| 23:07.19 | donw | PerfDave: Yes (as a background, I've been adminning Linux in the workplace for about four years). I can create on the server, and any directory with a non-user owner, but a user-is-a-member-group, gives a 'Permission Denied' on the client. |
| 23:07.22 | donw | It's bloody odd. |
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| 23:07.50 | jim | Quag7: hopefully he has enough info to at least explore and kinda know what he's looking at] |
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| 23:08.21 | PerfDave | donw: Is it anything to do with the mount options in /etc/exports? |
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| 23:08.48 | donw | PerfDave: Mount options are just (rw). |
| 23:09.14 | donw | PerfDave: And I can modify data in a directory owned by the user, so it's like the NFS server is ignoring group memberships. |
| 23:09.43 | PerfDave | donw: The GIDs are matched? Does no_root_squash help? I don't see why it should but it's the only thing I can think of. |
| 23:10.18 | donw | PerfDave: GIDs are matched, haven't tried un-squashing root, because This Should Work. *grin* |
| 23:10.52 | michal_ | how can i concatenate a file in the correct order when it's split into file.1 - file.131 ?? i know i could make a for loop but isn't there any way to make the shell order them numerically? |
| 23:10.52 | PerfDave | donw: It Should, but it might be worth trying. |
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| 23:12.05 | donw | PerfDave: Nope. |
| 23:12.22 | PerfDave | donw: Well, that's me fresh out of ideas. |
| 23:12.32 | caphuso | michal_: "cat file.? file.?? file.???" should do the trick |
| 23:12.39 | donw | PerfDave: Yeah. I hate troubleshooting NFS problems like this. |
| 23:12.44 | we_R_DNA | w |
| 23:12.44 | we_R_DNA | The attack used a bug in GForge 3.x "scm" subsystem. |
| 23:13.47 | michal_ | caphuso: hmm.. doesn't happen to on this system :/ guess i'll go for a for loop |
| 23:13.54 | Quag7 | jim, re: hopefully he has enough info to at least explore and kinda know what he's looking at ... I am more concerned he has the curiosity and endurance to stick with it once he realizes how different it is from Windows. |
| 23:14.21 | Quag7 | It's not some herculean task to get into Linux, but it requires slightly more than a minimal investment of brainpower and patiencsd. |
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| 23:14.24 | Quag7 | erps, patience. |
| 23:14.24 | caphuso | michal_: how are you testing it? |
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| 23:14.37 | michal_ | caphuso: doing the same thing with ls -1 |
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| 23:15.11 | caphuso | michal_: ls resorts the damn list if you don't specify --sort=none |
| 23:15.22 | michal_ | caphuso: what? :) i thought it was reasonable.. AHH!! thanks for that |
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| 23:17.58 | PerfDave | What's so wrong with a for loop anyway? :) |
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| 23:18.14 | michal_ | PerfDave: unnecessary complexity |
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| 23:18.33 | karamelos | can I create/get a .config file from a kernel installed from a kernel-image-xxx package? |
| 23:18.40 | caphuso | karamelos: /boot/config-* |
| 23:18.46 | PerfDave | karamelos: Yes, it's /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 23:19.19 | PerfDave | (for the kernel you're running) |
| 23:19.26 | karamelos | thx |
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| 23:21.03 | gass | witch groupware you think is the best? |
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| 23:21.38 | cafuego | One that does what YOU need it to do. |
| 23:22.37 | donw | PerfDave: For the future, NFS can only read the first 16 groups a user belongs to. After that, good luck. Ergo, problem solved. :) |
| 23:22.41 | elirips | hello people. because of my cable-company is so stupid i have now two cable-modems at home. both connect and have a downstream of 2mbit/sec, so i thought it would be nice to connect them both to my router so that i would have a 4mbit connection. is there anything available to do so? i'm using debian sarge as router at the moment. |
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| 23:23.39 | gberardi | I just apt-get installed gedit and gedit-common. I don't have any tools, however, like word count. Where can I get it? |
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| 23:24.17 | donw | PerfDave: Looks like NFSv4 solves the problem, but I'm running 3. |
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| 23:25.23 | donw | elirips: Erm, since they're on the same pipe, I doubt that would give you a 4mbit/s connection. |
| 23:25.44 | PerfDave | donw: Ah, that'll be why I've not seen it. |
| 23:25.54 | PerfDave | donw: Time to migrate to 4, or Samba? :) |
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| 23:26.33 | donw | PerfDave: Have they fixed the issues with Samba and not being able to do UNIX permissions to UNIX clients properly? |
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| 23:26.39 | PerfDave | donw: No idea, I don't use it :) |
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| 23:27.16 | donw | PerfDave: I'll probably bump up to v4 when I've got more free time; as is, I'm coding, doing homework, job-searching, and spending time with my girlfriend before she moves back to Japan. |
| 23:28.20 | tvn | busy schedule |
| 23:28.34 | elirips | donw: i connected them to two different cable-connecters, and attached at each cable-modem one pc and was able to download with a speed of ~ 240kbyte with both at the same time. |
| 23:28.42 | ixi | Hi, can I work with native FreeBSD disks under linux? Is there something which I need to compile into the kernel to do that except Partition Types/BSD disklabel? |
| 23:28.42 | r00tz | someone see this error in sasl with postfix ? |
| 23:28.43 | r00tz | arning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 23:28.44 | r00tz | ?? |
| 23:29.09 | donw | elirips: Uncompressed data? Hrm; well then, you can bind the interfaces together, but it's not a terribly easy thing to do. |
| 23:29.23 | donw | ixi: Whatever FS you're using for BSD. |
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| 23:30.02 | r00tz | someone see this error |
| 23:30.03 | r00tz | arning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 23:30.05 | r00tz | ????? |
| 23:30.14 | r00tz | i using postfix+sasl here |
| 23:30.19 | furrywolf | r00tz: don't repeat |
| 23:30.35 | furrywolf | and don't ask if we've seen the error, ask if we know what the error is |
| 23:30.39 | aardvark | fucking moron |
| 23:30.43 | furrywolf | and have you checked google yet? |
| 23:30.49 | donw | r00tz: You probably don't have your SSL certs set up right for SASL. |
| 23:30.50 | r00tz | yep; |
| 23:31.03 | elirips | donw: i just downloaded oppenoffice.org on one and did and apt-get upgrade on the other. but what do i need to google for to get a howto how to bind the interfaces together? i dont know the keyword.. |
| 23:31.18 | r00tz | donw: what? |
| 23:31.29 | ixi | donw: cfdisk said its code is $AC. Or this is just a partition type? |
| 23:31.35 | donw | aardvark: Just because he asked a stupid question twice in a row is no reason to be rude. Only murder at three iterations. :) |
| 23:31.50 | ixi | donw: $AC == freeBSD according to cfdisk's database |
| 23:31.50 | elirips | donw: i think it shouldnt be a problem to use both.. if not the speed should also go down if all the appartements in the house would use cable at the same tiem, not? |
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| 23:32.37 | donw | elirips: To be honest, I don't know of any HOWTOs on how to do it, and I've never done it. |
| 23:32.53 | aardvark | donw: not only did he repeat within 2 minutes, he also pasted the same 4 idiotic lines, 1 of which contained multiple questionmarks. |
| 23:32.58 | donw | ixi: That doesn't sound right. |
| 23:33.00 | cafuego | r00tz: Check whether postfix is running chrooted. if so, you need to either disble the chroot or copy saslauthd's mux into the chroot. |
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| 23:33.13 | cafuego | s/copy/link |
| 23:33.17 | karamelos | do you know if kernel-image and kernel-source packages of a same kernel version come with identical default setups/configs? |
| 23:33.27 | donw | aardvark: We already established he was an idiot. |
| 23:33.31 | ixi | donw: is there a standard filesystem on freebsd? I sure - yes |
| 23:33.37 | gass | cafuego: do you know how to take the 2nd column of dpkg -l , using dpkg or awk? |
| 23:33.39 | gass | or both |
| 23:34.00 | donw | ixi: I think UFS, but I'm not sure. Check the help notes in the kernel -- it should mention which one is for FreeBSD by default. |
| 23:34.02 | gass | dpkg --get-selections turns a column with install |
| 23:34.29 | ixi | donw: thanks |
| 23:34.56 | elirips | donw: the problem is i then have 2 different ips (wan) + one for the lan, and i have absolutly no idea how to make the router to split up the traffic to both ips.. |
| 23:34.59 | cafuego | gass: awk '{print $2}' |
| 23:35.14 | ixi | is there a channel about freebsd on this irc net? |
| 23:35.21 | cafuego | gass: Note that you WILL want to run 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' |
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| 23:36.04 | gass | cafuego: yes ... thx |
| 23:36.08 | donw | Now that I've fixed my perms problem, I'm off to restart X... |
| 23:36.40 | Overand | donw should use a console irc client |
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| 23:37.21 | gowap | Bonjour |
| 23:37.23 | ccamacho | i have a question... when i start x, my keyboard doesn't work... the problem begun after the update of this afternoon |
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| 23:38.10 | ccamacho | does anyone know what's up? |
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| 23:38.26 | cafuego | The sky? |
| 23:38.37 | hulu | how to tell which CC a kernel was built with? |
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| 23:38.52 | ralf | hi all |
| 23:38.54 | aardvark | ccamacho: the direction opposite the center of gravity. |
| 23:38.57 | gowap | Il y a du francais ici ? |
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| 23:39.04 | aardvark | !fr |
| 23:39.04 | cafuego | hulu: 'modinfo <modulename>' normally tells you. |
| 23:39.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 23:39.08 | aardvark | @blaireau gowap |
| 23:39.10 | thingfish | french is so pretty. |
| 23:39.10 | ravenbird | gowap: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 23:39.16 | ralf | how can I open a whishlist for a package? |
| 23:39.20 | gowap | oki |
| 23:39.21 | cafuego | gowap: Non, seulement les hollandais |
| 23:39.29 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:39.49 | cafuego | !hi5 aardvark |
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| 23:40.59 | green_earz | ccamacho: have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i think the key config there ? |
| 23:41.07 | ccamacho | aardvark: it is possible... or maybe the uncertainty principle |
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| 23:41.28 | aardvark | !lose ccamacho |
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| 23:41.29 | dpkg | ccamacho: You Lose. |
| 23:41.30 | green_earz | ccamacho: sorry not key key board |
| 23:41.32 | Montecristo | orale... |
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| 23:41.54 | ccamacho | green_earz: yes, but the keyboard, doesn't work |
| 23:41.57 | Montecristo | Voy a instalar en un PowerEdge 1800 con discos SCSI... el netinstall si lo levanta ??? |
| 23:41.58 | elirips | so noone knows how i can tell my sarge-router to split the traffic that comes from the land to the two internet-ips (on two different nics) the router has, so i can use them both? |
| 23:42.01 | aardvark | !br |
| 23:42.01 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:42.08 | Montecristo | jajajaja si. |
| 23:42.11 | aardvark | !es |
| 23:42.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:42.19 | aardvark | now off you go. |
| 23:42.27 | ixi | well, general question. I got sarge iso's and have them all on a disk (as .iso's indeed). Now I want to install debian on a machine from LAN. Is there a way to get a tree which apt can use as source another from mounting every ISO and copying files? |
| 23:42.46 | ccamacho | dpkg: en espanol o en ingles |
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| 23:43.06 | NewpZ | hi, i'm a moron, i accidenty pointed to sid packages and got a bunch of updates and after manualy removing kde 3.4 and manualy installing 3.3, there is still stuff from sid...... how do i upgrade (really downgrade) everything to match sarge? |
| 23:45.15 | ccamacho | dpkg: tiene alguna idea de que pueda ser el problema... have you any idea about what could be the problem? |
| 23:45.26 | ixi | NewpZ: backup and install from start.. Thats what I would do. |
| 23:45.49 | atrus | !downgrade |
| 23:45.49 | NewpZ | uhhh |
| 23:45.49 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 23:45.52 | green_earz | ccamacho: but work out x server running its ok ? so its a xserver config |
| 23:45.54 | ixi | ccamacho: dpkg appretiated your thoughts :) |
| 23:46.23 | green_earz | ccamacho: buts works ok with out xserver |
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| 23:46.52 | ccamacho | green_earz: yes the problem it is with X |
| 23:47.16 | NewpZ | ixi, thanks |
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| 23:47.43 | ccamacho | ixi: yes I know it... ;) |
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| 23:48.42 | ixi | NewpZ: last year I switched to sid.. and got some problems with it. Then I switched to sarge and now they are almost equal :) |
| 23:48.52 | green_earz | ccamacho: if you want i will paste the Section "InputDevice" from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in #flood so you can conpare. it may be of some help |
| 23:48.54 | sun_ | hi im tring to install from a sarge image that i dl'd using btorrent. linux26, then it asks for hostname etc but then it says that some modules cant beloaded but to continue since they may become available. however when it gets to partitioning, then it says it doesnt see my harddrive (there's an 80g on it). ? |
| 23:49.24 | Talnakh_ | is it sata? |
| 23:49.36 | sun_ | probably, dont know. its a new laptop |
| 23:49.55 | ixi | Well, does anybody know what how to use debian ISOs as apt source? |
| 23:50.02 | ixi | s/what/ |
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| 23:50.05 | Talnakh_ | u mount them |
| 23:50.15 | ixi | Talnakh_: in 15th dirs? |
| 23:50.16 | Talnakh_ | then add to the sources list |
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| 23:50.23 | cinix | Yea if you use dselect, doesn't that take care of most of the grunt work? |
| 23:50.25 | Talnakh_ | why not? |
| 23:50.33 | ixi | Talnakh_: thanks |
| 23:50.40 | ixi | Talnakh_: I mean ok |
| 23:51.01 | Talnakh_ | i use the same thing with suse sles 9. Takes time to install but works |
| 23:51.26 | sun_ | does the sarge installer not work with sata? |
| 23:51.35 | Talnakh_ | guess not |
| 23:51.51 | ixi | Talnakh_: So if I want to have this source available all the time then I need to mount it permamently in fstab, right? |
| 23:52.00 | Talnakh_ | I ve seen that there are some problems reported. |
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| 23:52.06 | Talnakh_ | IXI, not really |
| 23:52.19 | Talnakh_ | u can make a small script which will do work for you |
| 23:52.27 | Talnakh_ | when u need it |
| 23:52.41 | cinix | ixi, type dselect, and add the cdrom as a source through that. should mount it for you |
| 23:52.50 | Teemu_K | what's wrong with my nfs server, and client, when i try to use nfs it crashes, but if i Only list what nfs share contains, it works |
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| 23:53.39 | ixi | cinix: cdrom? but it is a device with single name and I have 15 isos on disk |
| 23:53.54 | cinix | err |
| 23:53.59 | ccamacho | seems the problem is xkbcomp |
| 23:54.05 | ccamacho | seems the problem is xkbcomp |
| 23:54.14 | ixi | cinix: sure I don't want to type mount and a dir whenever apt asks to insert new one :) |
| 23:54.15 | cinix | ;) didn't read that close enough. should be able to mount them |
| 23:54.24 | cinix | heh |
| 23:54.30 | ixi | cinix: ok |
| 23:54.35 | Talnakh_ | ixi, make a script to mount isos and then add it to apt sources |
| 23:55.00 | cockroach | is there a way to find out which font a terminal (wterm and/or xterm) is using? |
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| 23:55.16 | ixi | Talnakh_: add what, sorry? I'm not apt guru :) What source should I specify to apt? Would you provide an example please? |
| 23:55.23 | ixi | s/add/and |
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| 23:56.30 | Talnakh_ | ixi, dont have debian in front of me. AFAIR it is in /etc/sources.list or something like that. |
| 23:56.57 | ixi | Anybody knows is apt-cdrom suit to use with mounted isos? |
| 23:57.39 | Talnakh_ | man apt-cdrom |
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| 23:58.04 | ixi | Talnakh_: I'm reading |
| 23:58.22 | Trev__ | a |
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| 23:59.22 | Equinox | Anyone around Tampa? |
