| 00:00.07 | bucky | i'm in the wrong business |
| 00:00.10 | FieldySnuts | oh stop already, you're trying to use logic on him |
| 00:00.25 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I know. Cluebies never understand logic. |
| 00:00.27 | michal_d | i don't understand the software raid setup in the debian-installer.. am i supposed to partition both drives then build the raid? am i supposed to partition one drive and then create software raid? how am i supposed to partition them?i just want one partition and swap with mirroring.. does that mean i create both partitions on both drivees with xactly the same sizes or just one? |
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| 00:00.32 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: or morals |
| 00:00.39 | HeavyD | ok guys |
| 00:00.43 | cheal | start with logic |
| 00:00.43 | HeavyD | I buy everything i freakin use ok |
| 00:00.48 | FieldySnuts | don't put swap on raid (like i said before) |
| 00:00.48 | mwilson | Sure you do. |
| 00:00.50 | FieldySnuts | @stfu HeavyD |
| 00:00.52 | HeavyD | music, games parts.. you name |
| 00:00.52 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP HeavyD! |
| 00:01.01 | michal_d | it tells me once software raid is enabled i can't change the partitioning so i'm very confused.. usually it's the other way around.. enable mirroring and then partition |
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| 00:01.11 | bucky | you can't buy debian |
| 00:01.11 | budluva | dpkg woody dvd |
| 00:01.14 | mwilson | No, actually, it's never the other way around. |
| 00:01.23 | Shorty` | yes you can |
| 00:01.26 | Shorty` | wel |
| 00:01.30 | Shorty` | you used to be able to |
| 00:01.32 | bucky | how much |
| 00:01.34 | TechDawg | But you can buy the media it's stored on bucky |
| 00:01.36 | Shorty` | I bought a debian boxed set once |
| 00:01.43 | bucky | exactly |
| 00:01.45 | Shorty` | it had a debian sticker and was very neat. |
| 00:01.46 | FieldySnuts | am I just pissy, or is this place more idiotic than usual right now |
| 00:01.50 | michal_d | mwilson: always has been on the hardware i've used.. turnr on mirroring in the firmware and then partition with linux |
| 00:01.50 | mwilson | Who says you can't buy Debian? SPI would love to sell you all the box sets you want. |
| 00:01.53 | HeavyD | and no I don't have debian.. I just came here because i have been given good advice here in the past. |
| 00:01.53 | TechDawg | Oh and a friggin manual thats useless. |
| 00:01.57 | bucky | FieldySnuts, yup |
| 00:02.08 | cheal | !tell budluva about msg the bot |
| 00:02.21 | mwilson | michal_d: But we're not talking about hardware RAID that's underneath and unknown to the OS, now are we? |
| 00:02.24 | FieldySnuts | HeavyD: ah. so you don't use debian, therefore, we are not obligated to waste another reply to you. bye now. go bother whoever makes it. |
| 00:02.38 | golya | Hi! I've reinstalled my windows, it of course overwrites MBR. Now I need to say lilo under linux. I have an old bootcd with my own kernel. Everything loads, even linux (despite a lot of warning about modules), even the mouse works, but the keyboard is dead after the display switches to X. |
| 00:02.39 | golya | I have unusual HW, SATA HD. |
| 00:02.39 | golya | Any ideas? |
| 00:02.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 00:02.45 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of sex-crazed oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:02.58 | budluva | does anyone know of a way i can download debian dvd not by jigdo? jigdo keeps crashin on me |
| 00:03.03 | michal_d | mwilson: that's why i'm saying i'm confused.. it's back to front with software raid.. i can understand why that's necessary but i don't know how to achieve the goal of a single partition + swap mirrored with 2 identical drives |
| 00:03.06 | DDRP | I'll sell you Debian >B) |
| 00:03.13 | mwilson | michal_d: So, no, nothing has changed with respect to hardware RAID, and no, nothing has changed with respect to software RAID. |
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| 00:03.32 | TechDawg | What would be the general recommendation for a kernel version to run, 2.4.18 or 2.6.x? |
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| 00:03.40 | mwilson | michal_d: How many times do people have to tell you not to mirror swap? |
| 00:03.40 | PDani | hi |
| 00:03.41 | golya | budluva: I've no luck without jidgo. I'd problems with 4 Gb limit, Don't know why. |
| 00:03.48 | cheal | TechDawg: woody? |
| 00:03.50 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: i told em 2 times myself. |
| 00:03.56 | michal_d | mwislon: fact is i was comparing hardware raid to software raid.. it's the only comparison I could make having had no experience with software raid |
| 00:03.56 | TechDawg | Yes |
| 00:03.58 | PDani | how can i set the gtk interface? (fonts, etc..) |
| 00:04.00 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I saw. |
| 00:04.02 | shingouz | TechDawg: 2.4.18 is ancient in anycase |
| 00:04.09 | FieldySnuts | you can raid swap, but the performance will be utter dung |
| 00:04.10 | PDani | is there a utility for this purpose? |
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| 00:04.26 | golya | budluva: I've tried different ftp programs, but still jidgo was the best (one and only) way |
| 00:04.27 | cheal | TechDawg: depends what you want to do. how do you use debian? |
| 00:04.30 | budluva | golya, well what mirror were you using? the us mirror i used just crashes |
| 00:04.34 | TechDawg | But the woody dist is 2.2.20 so I'm trying to build the kernel. |
| 00:04.46 | TechDawg | I plan on using it for Asterisk cheal |
| 00:05.00 | golya | budluva: Well, a Hungarian one, cause I'm living there... |
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| 00:05.25 | mwilson | evocrap can't even do mail folder expiry? |
| 00:05.34 | mwilson | And this is supposed to be the high-end tool? |
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| 00:05.34 | FieldySnuts | yes it can. user error. |
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| 00:05.45 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I'm all ears. |
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| 00:05.49 | FieldySnuts | he left yay. bbl |
| 00:05.53 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.06 | nichos | Hi all, im trying to get my libdav working on apache, i have the following line in my modules.conf: LoadModule libdav_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libdav.so, but its not starting - any ideas? |
| 00:06.12 | cheal | TechDawg: for security, keep what woody has, unless you have something 2.4 lacks and you're ready to track security problems on 2.6 |
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| 00:06.43 | TechDawg | The woody dist has 2.2.20 but Asterisk needs 2.4.x |
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| 00:06.55 | Guerin | TechDawg: the woody has 2.4 as well |
| 00:06.57 | TechDawg | So you're recommending I continue with 2.4.x? |
| 00:07.05 | Guerin | as you'd know if you'd read he install guide |
| 00:07.09 | TechDawg | Which rc is it? |
| 00:07.16 | TechDawg | I installed r3 |
| 00:07.18 | Guerin | what? |
| 00:07.21 | karamelos | does the kernel-image-2.6.8 include the debianlogo patch? if not, can I add that patch without recompiling the kernel-source? |
| 00:07.32 | Guerin | all of them support and are shipped with 2.4 kernels |
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| 00:07.35 | michal_d | am i correct in assuming that software raid mirroring with 2 drives requires that the swap be mirrored also? |
| 00:07.48 | mwilson | Huh, even *Mutt* can keep a folder clean. |
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| 00:08.18 | shingouz | michal_d: do *not* mirror the swap! that has been pointed out to you at least two times before this |
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| 00:08.36 | FieldySnuts | more like six. |
| 00:08.36 | Guerin | why would you? |
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| 00:08.45 | michal_d | shingouz: it seems IMPOSSIBLE not to according to the documentation on software raid i am finding |
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| 00:08.46 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: sorry, i lost count |
| 00:09.03 | michal_d | "Partition the disks - Both disks need to be identically partitioned " |
| 00:09.05 | Mask | is there any way I can get a list/remove all library packages which are not required by anything else installed? |
| 00:09.07 | shingouz | michal_d: you just need to partition the drives correctly |
| 00:09.24 | Guerin | !deborphan |
| 00:09.24 | dpkg | from memory, deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge'...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 00:09.32 | michal_d | shingouz: if they both NEED to be partitioned identically then I don't have much of a choice |
| 00:09.45 | michal_d | it's either no swap or mirrored swap |
| 00:09.53 | shingouz | michal_d: make two separate swaps and do not mirror them |
| 00:10.08 | FieldySnuts | idiot. |
| 00:10.28 | michal_d | shingouz: is that an option? the documentation I'm looking at doesn't mention it as a possibility.. in fact it just mirrors the swap |
| 00:10.30 | Mask | thanks, Guerin |
| 00:11.10 | shingouz | michal_d: not sure, i run hardware raid. try it, shouldnt hurt too bad if the install goes bad and you have to reinstall? |
| 00:11.47 | michal_d | shingouz: i just don't want to ship a system to china only to find out it's fucked upp because i didn't follow instructions |
| 00:12.15 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 00:12.27 | FieldySnuts | give it to somebody who knows what the hell they're doing, then. |
| 00:12.28 | shingouz | michal_d: uh.. after installing you really should test the system for a short time before shipping it that far |
| 00:12.55 | FieldySnuts | i just shipped my first system to be remote out the door today (i'll be admin), kinda nervous |
| 00:13.10 | FieldySnuts | thankfully they have an admin who is cluefull enough to help if anything fubars |
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| 00:13.38 | michal_d | there will be no admins where i'm shipping |
| 00:13.51 | michal_d | i'll have to admin through an accountant or secretary if i can't access remotely |
| 00:14.00 | FieldySnuts | no way i'd be invovled with that. but you show shitty judgement / lack of clue anyway, not surprised. i see this all the time. |
| 00:14.16 | shingouz | michal_d: even a better reason to test the system *real* good. |
| 00:14.32 | PDani | i've a problem: i've too big fonts in sylpheed... the folders containing new mails are displayed with big red and disgusting fonts, and the unread mail also. any idea? |
| 00:14.32 | michal_d | why don't you just get fucked? some people have to work for a living. and they don't get to choose their work |
| 00:14.55 | bucky | yeah.. so there |
| 00:15.46 | michal_d | shingouz: well I won't have the opportunity. I don't work tommorow and the boss WILL be taking the system to China tomorrow regardless. He makes all the stupid decisions. |
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| 00:18.21 | TheMoebius | how to a check what init level my server is currently running in? |
| 00:18.37 | seldon | runlevel |
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| 00:19.10 | TheMoebius | ok, it returns "N 2" does that mean it's in init 2? |
| 00:19.17 | ding | I'm having trouble on sid with the nvidia drivers. Anyone else have a version mismatch problem? |
| 00:19.18 | seldon | yes |
| 00:19.29 | seldon | that was addressed to TheMoebius |
| 00:19.35 | mwilson | Define "version mismatch problem"? |
| 00:19.47 | BlackJudas | When I upgrade a package and it asks me what to do, I want to merge the package maintainers .conf file but I don't want to lose the changes I've made, if I answer, keep my version, will it throw out the new conf file config.conf.dpkg or such? |
| 00:20.00 | ding | it says my kernel module is 7167, but the X module is 7164... |
| 00:20.06 | cheal | ding: make sure all your nvidia packages are up to date |
| 00:20.09 | mwilson | BlackJudas: It'll leave it in the same dir as the conf file. |
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| 00:20.22 | mwilson | ding: And are they? |
| 00:20.22 | michal_d | shingouz: I wasn't telling you to get fucked. you weren't being rude. sorry |
| 00:20.25 | ding | cheal, I've done that... but I still can't get it to work... |
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| 00:20.43 | cheal | ding: paste dpkg -l nvidia* to #flood |
| 00:20.57 | BlackJudas | mwilson, right, thanks, I've seen it before but I wanted to make sure that happens if I answer "Keep my version" |
| 00:20.57 | mngrif | damn the creators of who's line is it anyway |
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| 00:21.28 | seldon | I am under the impression that the newest nvidia-kernel-source in sid is 1.0.7164...I don't even think there is a 1.0.7167... |
| 00:21.53 | seldon | makefiles messed up? |
| 00:22.01 | cheal | it's 7174 |
| 00:22.02 | ding | cheal, can't really paste right now :-(. How do you do that in bitchx? |
| 00:22.14 | shingouz | michal_d: i am not sure what the software raid will do there but try installing it with two separate swaps and make it run crashme for a couple of hours. if it does not work you still should have time to install it with the mirrored swap even if it will be pig slow when running |
| 00:22.15 | TechDawg | Okay, how do I force apt-get to reinstall a package that I deleted? |
| 00:22.17 | cheal | ding: no idea. |
| 00:22.57 | drac | TechDawg: apt-get --reinstall install package ? |
| 00:22.57 | mwilson | Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/non-free nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.7174-3 [1394kB] |
| 00:22.57 | shingouz | michal_d: hmm... unless you can slap a separate drive for swap there that is |
| 00:22.58 | mwilson | Seems rather obvious that there is a 7174. |
| 00:23.10 | michal_d | shingouz: i hit an earlier problem.. the debian installer doesn't seem to allow for the root partition on raid |
| 00:23.13 | seldon | Yeah, cheal's right. I just misread or something |
| 00:23.16 | ding | cheal, the source package is 7174-3 |
| 00:23.21 | TechDawg | Ahh, okay, forgot to add install. |
| 00:23.26 | TechDawg | that worked drac |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | cheal: you lost your 'er' ? |
| 00:23.46 | WolfCub | Here's the one-liner to install GLX: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nVidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nVidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nVidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:23.55 | chealer | abrotman: disconnections are frequent at my place :/ |
| 00:24.03 | chealer | I registered both nicks |
| 00:24.10 | shingouz | michal_d: oops. root on a separate partition then? or better yet on a separate drive? maybe install with hardware raid or leave the software raid out |
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| 00:24.16 | chealer | ding: the problem will be with nvidia-glx most likely |
| 00:24.36 | mwilson | Wow, what a messed-up one-liner. No wonder cluebies get screwed up. |
| 00:24.47 | WolfCub | Nope it works every time. |
| 00:24.58 | directhex | ah, there's a known issue with upgrading nvidia, easiest to --purge nvidia-glx, build a new kernel module, then install nvidia-glx |
| 00:25.08 | ding | chealer, the glx package is also 7174-3 for me |
| 00:25.11 | luke234 | Anyone know of a bitchx apt source? |
| 00:25.13 | michal_d | shingouz: most of that isn't an option.. it's an off the shelf ibm server with 2 scsi hdd's which are supposed to be mirrored.. that's the system I get to work with :/ |
| 00:25.18 | ecivo | Hey guy's |
| 00:25.25 | seldon | ding: What is nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) on your system? |
| 00:25.26 | mwilson | luke234: There's something wrong with the one in the main package archive? |
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| 00:25.29 | vincent | i'm building an appliance for one of our customers, i'm thinking about making a cron script to run apt-get dist-upgrade every week (and only have the security updates in sources.list), can anyone think of why this would be a bad idea ? |
| 00:25.30 | chealer | ding: it's your kernel module that must cause the problem as directhex says |
| 00:25.31 | michal_d | shingouz: also what happens with swap split across the 2 drives if one drive fails? system goes down? |
| 00:25.49 | mwilson | vincent: Machines should never run unattended updates. |
| 00:25.50 | luke234 | I can't find it? |
| 00:25.54 | shingouz | michal_d: and you are sure the drives are on normal scsi and not hardware raid? |
| 00:26.05 | luke234 | i am pointing at testing |
| 00:26.08 | seldon | vincent: Depends on the debian revision you're using |
| 00:26.09 | chealer | luke234: it's just not in sarge |
| 00:26.11 | ding | chealer. Yes, but every time I make-kpkg modules-image, it creates a 7167 versioned deb file... |
| 00:26.14 | shingouz | michal_d: you can use as many swap partitions you like afaik |
| 00:26.14 | mwilson | luke234: You mean you didn't look. Go on, it's OK to admit it. |
| 00:26.22 | seldon | With sid, there may be a problem, since some packages sometimes mess up their scripts |
| 00:26.32 | luke234 | apt-get search bitchx |
| 00:26.33 | luke234 | null |
| 00:26.35 | chealer | ding: hum, I never used make-kpkg, it's module-assistant you need to rerun |
| 00:26.36 | vincent | seldon: well i haven't built the machine yet, testing would be a bad idea i take it ? |
| 00:26.40 | michal_d | shingouz: they support hostraid but that's just raid in firmware and requires drivers which were added in 2.6.10 (and i don't really know how well it works) |
| 00:26.42 | mwilson | Oooh, it's been dropped from testing? I didn't know that. |
| 00:26.48 | chealer | luke234: get sid sources if you really want it |
| 00:26.52 | vincent | yea bitchx is gone from testing |
| 00:26.54 | mwilson | Can't they just drop the whole thing completely? |
| 00:26.56 | michal_d | shingouz: so yanking out a swap partition from under linux doesn't cause problems? |
| 00:26.59 | luke234 | ok thanks |
| 00:27.06 | shingouz | michal_d: nope on the swap |
| 00:27.08 | directhex | dpkg, upgrade nvidia is apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) && apt-get dist-upgrade && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings |
| 00:27.08 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
| 00:27.11 | seldon | sarge should be ok, though you're running somewhat of a risk that you'll have to look on it every few months. |
| 00:27.26 | vincent | hrm, what sort of things would go wrong ? |
| 00:27.29 | mwilson | Cluebies use xchat, intelligent people use epic or irssi, so what's the need for BX? |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | mwilson: what do morons use? |
| 00:27.42 | seldon | package maintainers could mess up their scripts |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | mwilson: now you see the need :) |
| 00:27.50 | chealer | hehe |
| 00:27.59 | luke234 | well none are in testing for a start ;) |
| 00:27.59 | myren | what tools are theer for debugging Bind & DNS? |
| 00:27.59 | vincent | yeah hrmmm |
| 00:28.01 | shingouz | michal_d: so is that scsi software or hardware? if it is "supposed" to be mirrored under windows who cares, just install with separate drives without raid |
| 00:28.04 | vincent | epic4 is in testing |
| 00:28.12 | abrotman | myren: debugging? .. how about dig/nslookup ? |
| 00:28.14 | seldon | This happens with sid sometimes. Usually it`s ironed out when packages enter testing, but I won't depend on that on production systems |
| 00:28.15 | Delph | myren: uhhm, host, whois, and dig =:) |
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| 00:28.34 | vincent | myren: rndc |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | doesn't whois just check registrar crap ? |
| 00:28.39 | mwilson | xchat isn't in testing? |
| 00:28.44 | seldon | Also, you'll gather some corpse packages over the ages. |
| 00:28.51 | myren | vincent: rndc annoys the hell out of me, i cant find any way to get it to list loaded zones |
| 00:28.53 | seldon | That is, packages that aren't used by anything anymore |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | mwilson: yes it is |
| 00:28.57 | luke234 | I am on xchat now - just used to bx |
| 00:28.58 | Delph | abrotman: presumably at some level you'll want to find some crap out about your domains. |
| 00:29.06 | mwilson | abrotman: Yep, easy way to find out who's supposed to be authoritative for a domain. |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | Delph: yeah right :) |
| 00:29.09 | shingouz | mwilson: xchat is in testing. at least it was the day before yestarday |
| 00:29.19 | seldon | That won't be a problem though, as long as you use debfoster or something like it |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | !info xchat-common sarge |
| 00:29.29 | vincent | myren: have you setup the shared key that rndc needs ? |
| 00:29.33 | luke234 | it is just pulled it down to ask you guys the question |
| 00:29.46 | shingouz | damn i tpyo too mcuh |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | shingouz: fortunate accident? |
| 00:30.24 | michal_d | shingouz: no you don't understand.. it's firmware raid.. linux got drivers to support it in 2.6.10 .. the installer is only 2.6.8 and building your own doesn't work at the moment |
| 00:30.26 | pseubodot | there he is! |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | ack |
| 00:30.32 | shingouz | abrotman: the previous line? nope. that was on purpose this time |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | !eat pseubodot |
| 00:30.35 | michal_d | shingouz: which is why i am trying software raid |
| 00:30.40 | pseubodot | nice try :) |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | no way! |
| 00:31.03 | shingouz | michal_d: firmware is not the same as hardware |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | but you can flash firmware on a hardware controller :) |
| 00:31.31 | shingouz | true :) |
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| 00:32.13 | shingouz | michal_d: the installer sees the drives now, doesn't it? just install as you'd do on two separate drives and screw the raid |
| 00:32.27 | dpkg | xchat-common: (Common files for X-Chat), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 947 kB, Installed size: 2836 kB |
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| 00:32.38 | abrotman | aw crap |
| 00:32.40 | pseubodot | :) |
| 00:32.44 | michal_d | shingouz: it says it can't continue without a root partition.. and the partitions can't be marked root as they're marked raid.. catch-22 |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so god damned slow |
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| 00:33.16 | mwilson | Is d-i supposed to support root-on-raid? |
| 00:33.22 | shingouz | michal_d: i am really confused now. what the hell marks them as raid? didnt you just partition the damn thing |
| 00:33.29 | lunaphyte | what's the point of disabling PasswordAuthentication in sshd_config if keyboard-interactive allows ssh to override this on a whim? |
| 00:33.36 | mwilson | Seems a singularly useless thing to do, but someone somewhere no doubt wants it. |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | mwilson: if it's hardware i htink it does . dunno about software |
| 00:33.58 | mwilson | lunaphyte: Because you have to CORRECTLY disable it. |
| 00:34.02 | pseubodot | I like abrotman |
| 00:34.10 | mwilson | lunaphyte: You're also allowing sshd to use PAM. |
| 00:34.10 | michal_d | shingouz: forget what I just said.. i just went back and did it again and this time it worked |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | !love pseubodot |
| 00:34.28 | shingouz | michal_d: now cross your fingers :p |
| 00:34.34 | lunaphyte | mwilson: yes - what am i missing? |
| 00:34.42 | michal_d | shingouz: you need to mark them aas linux raid type partitions in order for the debian-install to let you make md devices out of them |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | pseubodot: ok! |
| 00:34.44 | mwilson | lunaphyte: That you're allowing it to use PAM. |
| 00:35.06 | raf256 | !love me |
| 00:35.07 | mwilson | lunaphyte: Hence it can authenticate interactively through PAM. |
| 00:35.13 | shingouz | michal_d: what particular IBM server is it you are working on if i may ask |
| 00:35.24 | lunaphyte | mwilson - ok - the haze is starting to clear.. :) |
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| 00:35.47 | pseubodot | and what better way to show it than to vote for abrotman on www.itsallpetesfault.org :) |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | ack .. no .. vote for pete! |
| 00:36.07 | abrotman | pete pete pete |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | pete wants to be naked . he wants to be freeeee .. like debian |
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| 00:36.48 | lunaphyte | mwilson: so sshd kind of says "i know you said password disabled, but you also said UsePAM, which is only password, so i'll 'sort-of' turn it back on"..? |
| 00:36.48 | pseubodot | abrotman: now, now, don't be modest ... you deserve the honour. :) |
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| 00:36.50 | michal_d | shingouz: well now i'm just confused.. a semingly totally unrelated error.. hasn't happened before.. doesn't make sense.. says it can't find any install media (including the cdrom from which i'm installing and haeve installed on this machine before) |
| 00:37.03 | michal_d | shingouz: x226 |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | pseubodot: i think noone cares . luckily |
| 00:37.28 | shingouz | michal_d: wooo.. maybe you can mount the cd manually somehow |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | pseubodot: stil only 56 votes! |
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| 00:37.59 | mwilson | lunaphyte: No, you told ssh not to do interactive, so it's not, but you told it to use PAM, so it did, but it doesn't know what PAM is doing, it just knows that it got a 'OK' response back. |
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| 00:38.06 | abrotman | slacker |
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| 00:39.10 | chealer | shingouz: sleep is non-free |
| 00:39.59 | mwilson | Stupid firehol... |
| 00:40.01 | michal_d | shingouz: actually had an error reading hda :/ |
| 00:40.01 | lunaphyte | mwilson: what i've been reading seems to indicate passwordauthentication is different from keyboard-interactive (even though they seem to be the same, in practice). |
| 00:40.11 | michal_d | shingouz: rebooting and retrying now |
| 00:40.11 | daffy-pkf | did someone already installed gaim-vv ? |
| 00:40.28 | abrotman | i'm sure someone has |
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| 00:40.55 | ravigehlot | How do I change the path of SUEXEC from its original to /home ? |
| 00:40.58 | z | how come i need to mount the hdds everytime i reboot ? |
| 00:41.06 | ravigehlot | How do I change the path of SUEXEC from its original to /home ? without recompiling the whole thing. (OF COURSE) |
| 00:42.39 | streuner | z: man fstab, man mount |
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| 00:43.57 | michal_d | shingouz: i think it's going this time |
| 00:44.01 | streuner | z: which distro you use? |
| 00:44.06 | xerophyte | does anybody know where can i find Cisco IOS emmulators for linux just wondering that exits |
| 00:44.20 | pseubodot | abrotman: 'parrently not, abrotman |
| 00:44.20 | z | debian :) |
| 00:44.29 | pseubodot | abrotman: seems you;re popular here too. :) |
| 00:44.29 | streuner | ravigehlot: your are prolly in the wrong channel? |
| 00:44.43 | vincent | michal_d what ibm's are you trying to run software raid on ? |
| 00:44.46 | abrotman | this isn't fair .. |
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| 00:45.31 | lunaphyte | mwilson: thanks for the kick in the head. i wasn't thinking about pam. |
| 00:45.42 | streuner | z: typo, i meant ravigehlot |
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| 00:46.28 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:47.23 | z | the "testing" |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | ok .. everyone shoudl vote for pete! |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | z: man fstab ; man mount .. |
| 00:47.58 | z | yeh i/k |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | 12? |
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| 00:48.09 | z | just need to bind em to a dir |
| 00:48.29 | jniehof | I can't get the sarge boot floppy to boot on a Powerbook G3 "Wall Street"--trying to boot straight just spits out the floppy, and boot fd2: in openfirmware gives a "DEFAULT CATCH!" error. Any ideas? |
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| 00:48.57 | CompBrain | jniehof: have you tried the latest buisnesscard CD?? |
| 00:49.00 | streuner | z: change the nick, its irritating in IRC, especially if you wanna using /lastlog z ;-) |
| 00:49.09 | jniehof | CompBrain: Old World, can't boot from CD |
| 00:49.19 | CompBrain | True, didnt read the model |
| 00:49.19 | CompBrain | heh |
| 00:49.20 | CompBrain | sorry |
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| 00:50.11 | jniehof | 'sokay. The boot floppy looks empty in OS9...that makes me suspicious (yes, I did dd it correctly) |
| 00:50.29 | need-to-get-a-bj | better |
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| 00:50.43 | streuner | yes |
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| 00:52.49 | abrotman | jniehof: #debianppc |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | or #debian-boot |
| 00:52.56 | jniehof | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 00:54.33 | abrotman | streuner: good job :) |
| 00:55.07 | streuner | nah, a good job would be that s(he) use debian ;-) |
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| 00:57.41 | BlackJudas | need-to-get-a-bj, :o Careful.. I'm expensive |
| 00:57.50 | need-to-get-a-bj | lol |
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| 00:58.00 | need-to-get-a-bj | nothing i cant handle ^^ |
| 00:58.51 | bykte | to add a user and to prevent that user from logging in through shell, i issue "useradd -g test123 -c "test account" -d /home/test123 -f" <-- correct? |
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| 00:59.22 | abrotman | bykte: what kind of access do you want them to have? |
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| 00:59.56 | streuner | hm |
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| 01:00.11 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.32 | bykte | abrotman, normal access |
| 01:00.39 | abrotman | bykte: that would be shell access |
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| 01:00.52 | abrotman | humbolt: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:00.54 | bykte | i mean i just create the user for a process, but a person should not be able to login into shell using that account |
| 01:01.00 | MrRagga | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/05/18/186228.shtml?tid=123&tid=155&tid=99 |
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| 01:01.15 | abrotman | bykte: you can either pick an invalid shell .. or possibly passwd -l account |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | bykte: i think |
| 01:01.50 | bykte | if u use invalid shell, u still able to login i tried that |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:01.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | bykte: /bin/false ? |
| 01:02.06 | TBBle | a~[6~[6~[6~/window 13 |
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| 01:02.18 | TBBle | Ooops. Sorry. |
| 01:02.22 | bykte | ah thanks |
| 01:02.27 | bykte | i think the -l is useful |
| 01:02.33 | bykte | the manual said it can be locked |
| 01:02.33 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.35 | TheMoebius | does courier basically serve the same purpos as postfix? |
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| 01:03.37 | abrotman | doublehp: man Eterm! |
| 01:03.47 | doublehp | abrotman: 20mn I am in |
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| 01:03.57 | abrotman | doublehp: erm .. ? |
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| 01:05.03 | doublehp | abrotman: scrollbar_width 0 has NO effect ...( non NULL value do ) |
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| 01:05.29 | brimstone | is there a package that will allow me to redirect anything coming in port 1081 to port 81 ? |
| 01:05.34 | brimstone | and not iptables |
| 01:05.49 | bykte | ipchains :D |
| 01:05.59 | Rez | there are redirection programs, yes. try redir |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | doublehp: i thought there was an option to toally turn off |
| 01:06.43 | brimstone | ok, thanks Rez |
| 01:06.53 | swatikiss | what palm utility programs can sync with evolution ? |
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| 01:07.06 | macdo | Hey, I cant get my new debian (sarge, Gnome desktop) to give me any screen resolution above 800x600. Any pointers? |
| 01:07.32 | chealer | macdo: is X configured to do it? |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | swatikiss: apt-cache search evolution palm |
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| 01:07.49 | abrotman | nope .. that's not it |
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| 01:07.57 | abrotman | swatikiss: apt-cache search evolution sync |
| 01:08.01 | adexta | !dpkg java |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
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| 01:08.19 | macdo | chealer: this sounds stupid, but I have no idea... |
| 01:08.25 | adexta | !dpkg install java |
| 01:08.25 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 01:08.26 | chealer | !drxx macdo |
| 01:08.27 | dpkg | macdo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:08.38 | swatikiss | abrotman, thanks, ive had a lot of problems with gnome-pilot :P |
| 01:08.39 | chealer | !tell adexta about msg the bot |
| 01:08.50 | adexta | chealer: thx |
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| 01:09.08 | ^Trixy | hey guys |
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| 01:09.31 | macdo | euh, tia, but what will that do? |
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| 01:09.54 | chealer | macdo: it will reconfigure X |
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| 01:10.09 | abrotman | swatikiss: if that fails .. try #gnome on irc.gnome.org maybe |
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| 01:10.25 | swatikiss | thanks |
| 01:10.33 | ^Trixy | can anyone answer a real general off-topic question? I heard some stuff about Compact Flash cards being really bad for mounting filesystems on, because they wear out when written to too often. Is that true? Does anyone have experience with having done a silly thing like making a compact flash card your root drive? |
| 01:10.34 | poser | I have set up my system to have a bootsplash, but when I boot it is stuck in verbose mode even though I have append="splash=silent" in menu.lst |
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| 01:11.23 | doublehp | ^Trixy: I agree that using FLASH technology as / is bad idea |
| 01:11.25 | poser | anyone know how to fix it to actually be in silent mode or know what I screwed up.. |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | ^Trixy: yes .. it's OT .. and i believe that is true |
| 01:11.47 | doublehp | ^Trixy: FLASH memories can only endorse 1000 writing cycles |
| 01:12.04 | doublehp | ^Trixy: 10 000 in the best case |
| 01:12.26 | macdo | okay, cheers. One other thing, ATI for an ATI card, right? |
| 01:12.37 | doublehp | ^Trixy: and since flash cant support relocation of bad zones, once a byte is dead, your whole flash is unusable |
| 01:13.36 | doublehp | poser: verbose != splash |
| 01:13.37 | bykte | are there any free dns nameservers service where u can have control over a free domain or subdomain such as the PTR records? |
| 01:14.00 | doublehp | bykte: yes ... 1s |
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| 01:14.24 | bykte | doublehp, thanks |
| 01:14.27 | doublehp | bykte: www.granitecanyon.com |
| 01:14.30 | PenjejakNeraka__ | Hi guys, is there any simplest way I can enable my Oronoco wi-fi card to be in monitor mode? |
| 01:14.51 | poser | doublehp: I don't get what you mean.. verbose doesn't mean splash... so what do I want then to get silent mode? |
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| 01:15.05 | doublehp | PenjejakNeraka__: dont use orinoco ... use HostAP drivers and tools |
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| 01:15.16 | doublehp | PenjejakNeraka__: then you can enjoy Kismet |
| 01:15.25 | ^Trixy | doublehp thanks |
| 01:15.35 | nse | Hello everybody, I'm having problems when trying to connect throught TCP 4662. I recently installed Debian Sarge so I'm sure there is no firewall program running and I didn't create any iptables rule, but TCP test on that port tells me that it is unavailable (I'm running aMule configured to work on 4662, aMule is also connected to a server). There's no router hardware and I have phoned my internet provider in order to know if there's any limitation to my |
| 01:15.35 | nse | PS: Don't know if it is the case, but I don't have any succes with any of the p2p clients under Linux, even MLDonley and giFT. Under Windows just Kazaa worked well, Shareaza didn't work (TCP port unavailable too, without antivirus or firewalls). That's it. |
| 01:15.50 | nse | I've tried several different TCP port numbers. I've searched the web for help but can't find anything that helps. Is there anything i'm missing? Could somebody point me out any url where i can find some helpful information? |
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| 01:16.05 | doublehp | poser: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html says to use option 'quiet' |
| 01:16.21 | ^Trixy | nse how do you connect to the internets |
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| 01:16.26 | doublehp | poser: splash are oabout nice piturces as background of console |
| 01:16.37 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.43 | nse | ^Trixy: cable modem 128 |
| 01:17.12 | nse | WolfCub: the port specifications are correct |
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| 01:17.21 | doublehp | nse: whats does 'iptables -L' say ? |
| 01:17.24 | ^Trixy | nse: do you have a router? |
| 01:17.30 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.33 | nse | ^Trixy: no router |
| 01:17.42 | doublehp | ^Trixy: de said no |
| 01:17.58 | doublehp | nse: do you use wireless APs ? |
| 01:18.03 | ^Trixy | nse: who is your internet provider, and do they block the major P2P sharing ports? Some colleges, for example, do |
| 01:18.18 | nse | doublehp: all the chains are with ACCEPT policy |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | in brasil .. hardly :) |
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| 01:18.55 | poser | doublehp: what do I need to get a picture and progress bar? |
| 01:18.57 | pder | I TRY THE DEBIAN AND IT IS GOOD |
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| 01:19.14 | ^Trixy | pder: congratulations, you win an internet |
| 01:19.16 | poser | doublehp: I read some doc where it calls it a bootsplash |
| 01:19.21 | nse | ^Trixy: if you read the post you'll se, no blocks |
| 01:19.24 | zignig | all hail the debian. |
| 01:19.27 | pder | Trixy you are an internet |
| 01:19.27 | vincent | nse: use tcpdump to see what is happening to traffic on that port |
| 01:19.29 | nse | doublehp: no |
| 01:19.46 | doublehp | poser: splash screen, or boot splast homto |
| 01:20.07 | doublehp | poser: bootsplash != quiet |
| 01:20.10 | DDRP | Of course Debian is good. God bless it. Now chill. end of line. |
| 01:20.41 | pder | DDRP: dont you mean The Debian? |
| 01:20.50 | DDRP | _The_? |
| 01:20.55 | poser | doublehp: yeah.. I think I got it now |
| 01:20.55 | doublehp | DDRP: pder GNU/Debian !!!! |
| 01:20.56 | poser | thanks |
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| 01:21.22 | abrotman | debian gnu/linux.. is part of debian |
| 01:21.31 | doublehp | any one forgot what a GNU system is ??? |
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| 01:21.53 | doublehp | abrotman: no .. GNU/Linux is part of GNU/Debian ! |
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| 01:22.06 | caphuso | GNU/Debian is definitely wrong |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | right |
| 01:22.37 | vincent | i'm trying to harden a sarge testing install, something is running on 653, any ideas ? |
| 01:22.38 | caphuso | it wouldd imply a deeper connection between debian and GNU, and there isn't one |
| 01:22.47 | caphuso | ^dd^d |
| 01:22.47 | nse | Debian is a GNU OS that runs with Linux kernel, afaik |
| 01:23.09 | PenjejakNeraka__ | doublehp; will try it. thanks :) |
| 01:23.10 | caphuso | nse: really? then explain the free-/nsdbsd and hurd ports |
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| 01:23.25 | caphuso | err, free-/netbsd |
| 01:23.30 | pder | I run GNU Linux/Debian |
| 01:23.42 | caphuso | pder: "Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 01:23.52 | pder | caphuso: i know |
| 01:23.53 | nse | caphuso: ...or hurd, bsd kernel, afaik :) |
| 01:24.04 | pder | lol |
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| 01:24.35 | Delph | doublehp: why do i get this picture of one of those little plastic troll things with the flurocent hair? |
| 01:24.35 | WW | "There is no Debian." |
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| 01:24.47 | xnotte | why can't i see my inbox after logged in gmail ? i only see a blank page... |
| 01:24.48 | pder | is it acceptable to call it Debian Lignux? |
| 01:24.52 | ^Trixy | netbsd on legacy hardware is a pain in the ass |
| 01:24.53 | drac | debain? |
| 01:24.55 | doublehp | Delph: not sure ... |
| 01:25.18 | doublehp | Delph: ever used Suze ? |
| 01:25.20 | caphuso | just "debian linux" is enough so, you can drop the "gnu/" if RMS isn't listening and thus won't start whining while you're near him |
| 01:25.36 | ^Trixy | rms really whines about that? |
| 01:25.38 | Delph | nope, but i hear she's great in bed. |
| 01:25.56 | Delph | do you mean suse? (that distro with the gecko?) |
| 01:26.00 | ^Trixy | Delph: ba-dum ching |
| 01:26.12 | caphuso | trig: nobody except him and his followers does |
| 01:26.13 | smacnay | does libdirectfb offer much to a generic framebuffer user on a standard desktop system? |
| 01:26.21 | khanman | you cant drop the GNU though...coz linux is only the kernel...cant do much without tools and apps |
| 01:26.24 | zignig | Delph: it's not a gecko |
| 01:26.40 | doublehp | Delph: yep ... that stuff which used to claim to be free, and is now in an undeterminable state ... |
| 01:26.42 | Delph | green lizard of some kind then =:) |
| 01:26.51 | Delph | i'm sure it was a gecko |
| 01:26.55 | caphuso | khanman: show me where in the GPL it says that |
| 01:26.58 | ^Trixy | Suse is not free? |
| 01:27.20 | caphuso | ^Trixy: it contains some non-free software |
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| 01:27.29 | zignig | Delph: Chameleon |
| 01:27.56 | ^Trixy | inneresting |
| 01:28.09 | zignig | caphuso: didn't they GPL yast ? |
| 01:28.19 | caphuso | zignig: yes |
| 01:28.35 | zignig | caphuso: but there is other non-free in it / |
| 01:28.47 | caphuso | zignig: things like java and such |
| 01:28.50 | doublehp | "caphuso: ^Trixy: it contains some non-free software" => still now ? other stuff than yast ? |
| 01:29.00 | Delph | shock as linux distribution releases common software not approved by debian central =;) |
| 01:29.05 | doublehp | java ...lol :D |
| 01:29.09 | khanman | Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as ?Linux,? they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems |
| 01:29.19 | khanman | www.gnu.org |
| 01:29.24 | xnotte | why can't i see my inbox after logged in gmail ? i only see a blank page... |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | xnotte: wrong channel |
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| 01:29.45 | doublehp | xnotte: did you try using lynx ? |
| 01:29.47 | caphuso | khanman: i can put the complete opposite on my web page, but that doesn't make it authorative either |
| 01:30.01 | xnotte | abrotman, what channel then |
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| 01:30.08 | doublehp | xnotte: does your browser allow js ? |
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| 01:30.20 | doublehp | xnotte: email the G support |
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| 01:31.06 | khanman | caphuso, ive seen similar definitions in many reference books including Linux Cookbook for one.......could you be right and they all wrong? |
| 01:31.10 | GoKu | nat ...server debian...how enable msn in the others pcs ? |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | xnotte: certainly not this one ... |
| 01:31.21 | caphuso | khanman: you don't get my point |
| 01:31.28 | khanman | yeah i do |
| 01:31.29 | GoKu | in the server not problem but the others pcs no connect to msn |
| 01:31.30 | caphuso | khanman: you don't _have to_ call it GNU/linux |
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| 01:31.55 | caphuso | khanman: you can, if you feel like giving the GNU project some credit, but it's not a requirement |
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| 01:32.44 | michal_d | what would be the recommended imap/pop3 server under sarge if I wanted a pop3/imapv4/squirrelmail/postfix system? easy maintanence would be the top requirement |
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| 01:33.27 | abrotman | michal_d: look at dovecot or courier or cyrus |
| 01:33.40 | khanman | caphuso, well actually i usually refer to my boxes as Debian Linux....was just being a smart ass i guess :) |
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| 01:35.18 | Seb | hi fellows |
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| 01:35.27 | khanman | so whatever you wanna call it...debian rocks hard...played with Fedora C3 and gentoo...so far Debian is my favorite |
| 01:35.29 | michal_d | abrotman: thanks.. i don't much like cyrus from past experience.. will compare the other two |
| 01:35.29 | Seb | using gimp 2.2.6, I cannot quite set the dynamic keyboard shortcuts: i highlight the menu item I want to define a shortcut for, then hold the keys for the shortcut I want, but it doesn't do anything :\ |
| 01:35.38 | Seb | am I missign something obvious ? |
| 01:35.41 | vincent | what in /etc/init.d would be running rpc.statd |
| 01:35.51 | Seb | michal_d: courier is nice |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | michal_d: i prefer courier .. but many use dovecot |
| 01:35.59 | Seb | vincent: nfs-common ? portmap ? |
| 01:36.30 | michal_d | abrotman: what's the cause for your preference? just familiarity or something more? |
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| 01:37.15 | abrotman | michal_d: i guess .. i knew about courier long before dovecot |
| 01:37.26 | michal_d | if using courier is it better to use the courier mta instead of postfix? |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | now . postfix i actually picked after trying others |
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| 01:38.29 | zignig | abrotman: you found it better than exim ? |
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| 01:38.53 | zignig | abrotman: I used it for a while but found exim4 much more flexible. |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | zignig: certainly better than sendmail and exchange and qmail |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | qmail is horrible |
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| 01:39.12 | zignig | abrotman: yep. |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | but i like postfix |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | it makes sense to me |
| 01:39.24 | zignig | abrotman: qmail is good on big installs. |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | zignig: no it's not |
| 01:40.07 | zignig | abrotman: but otherwise it bites the big weasel, and the lic. is a pain in the ring. |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | it's just a horrible piece of crap |
| 01:40.25 | zignig | abrotman: heh , mmm ok. |
| 01:40.42 | michal_d | abrotman: what about webmaill.. there's sqwebmail which seems to be intended for courer while squirrelmail works with any imap mail server.. never tried sqwebmail personally so I have no idea if it's worth switching to |
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| 01:40.59 | abrotman | michal_d: i write PHP as part of my job .. horde/imp was good enough |
| 01:41.02 | zignig | michal_d: Ilohamail is light and complete. |
| 01:41.28 | michal_d | sqwebmail also supports the courier-pcp personal calendaring protocol whatever that is |
| 01:41.32 | zignig | michal_d: i'm running exim4+dovecot+ilohamail , its working for me. |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | i run postfix/courier/imp/horde/mailman .. what a lovely combo :) |
| 01:42.16 | michal_d | i'm going to be administering from FAR away so I don't want to make the wrong choice :P |
| 01:42.38 | bykte | anyone used shorewall? |
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| 01:43.11 | zignig | abrotman: if it works for you , then goodo. |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | zignig: yes .. it is :) |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | zignig: did you try hula ? |
| 01:43.43 | zignig | michal_d: make some test boxes locally , and hammer the crap out of them. |
| 01:43.55 | zignig | abrotman: hula ? |
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| 01:44.25 | abrotman | !hula |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | oh come on |
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| 01:44.49 | abrotman | zignig: #hula-project or #hulaproject on freenode |
| 01:44.58 | netbug | :) |
| 01:45.02 | systemadmin | how do i determinif a linux operating system is debianor redhat? |
| 01:45.14 | PenjejakNeraka__ | doublehp; how can i disable hermes/orinoco driver and use hostap driver? |
| 01:45.18 | netbug | cat /proc/version |
| 01:45.28 | systemadmin | tried uname and uname -a |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | netbug: no |
| 01:45.33 | zignig | abrotman: what does it do ? |
| 01:45.49 | doublehp | PenjejakNeraka__: grep -nri "orinoco" /etc/* |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | systemadmin: cat /etc/redhat_release or /etc/debian_version |
| 01:45.54 | doublehp | PenjejakNeraka__: grep -nri "hermes" /etc/* |
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| 01:46.09 | abrotman | systemadmin: or try to run `apt-cache search blah` |
| 01:46.13 | bykte | which ftp server is recommended for debian? |
| 01:46.17 | abrotman | none |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | use sftp or scp |
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| 01:46.52 | andax | i have an usb wlan adapter, i use the drivers from linux-wlan.org. when i plug in the wifi dongle in the usb port, the modules get loaded, config files gets read, CONNECTED appears in syslog, happiness and all.. except one thing. wlan0 interface appears but i have to manually ask for an ip using /sbin/dhclient wlan0 to get it up and running. How can I skip this step, and tell linux i want the wlan0 interface to look for a dhcp server and ask for an |
| 01:46.56 | humbolt | who has kde 3.4? please try something for me: browse a dir via fish:// ioslave in konquerer. click a file and open it in kate. tell me what happens? change something and save. what now?browse a dir via fish:// ioslave in konquerer. click a file and open it in kate. what does happen. |
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| 01:47.34 | abrotman | humbolt: #debian-kde |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | or #kde |
| 01:47.46 | zignig | abrotman: looks cool , i'll keep an eye on it. |
| 01:47.53 | PenjejakNeraka__ | doublehp; ok, i found. so, what's next? |
| 01:47.53 | humbolt | I am there as well |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | zignig: i thought so |
| 01:48.14 | humbolt | #kde is talking about os2 and #debian-kde not at all |
| 01:48.35 | zignig | abrotman: novell have done some very cool stuff historicly , and they are putting themself on the line by backing linux. |
| 01:48.35 | doublehp | PenjejakNeraka__: change it to hostap ... |
| 01:48.39 | Hamled|Erp | I'm terribly confused... what configuration option would I use in exim4 so that my SMTP server can send mail anywhere? Should the Relay_to_server be * ? |
| 01:48.42 | zignig | abrotman: I hope they pull it off. |
| 01:48.59 | bucky | andax, put this in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | zignig: it is nice .. i did get it to compile |
| 01:49.23 | bucky | auto wlan0 |
| 01:49.25 | andax | bucky: can I use that file even if the wlan0 interface does not exist at boot time? |
| 01:49.29 | bucky | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 01:50.11 | bykte | abrotman, are you refering to "vsftpd - The Very Secure FTP Daemon"? |
| 01:50.22 | bucky | andax, just put iface wlan0 inet dhcp and type ifup wlan0 when it's booted up |
| 01:50.42 | andax | bucky but i don't want to type anything that's the point |
| 01:50.57 | andax | typing /sbin/dhclient wlan0 and ifup wlan0 is the same to me |
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| 01:51.08 | bucky | you just want it to asign an ip when you hotplug your card in? |
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| 01:51.15 | andax | yes |
| 01:51.24 | bucky | i dont know how to do that |
| 01:51.34 | andax | ip can be static or from dhcp... anything |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | bykte: no .. scp and sftp |
| 01:52.32 | andax | bucky: using crontab that runs a script that checks the syslog and executes dhclient looks a bit weird :))) |
| 01:52.39 | nipplesrulz | bbiab |
| 01:54.07 | a_monkey | can anybody help? when i run the autogen.sh file of enlightenment's engage's source tarball, i get this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XHBmmg97.html |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | #enlightenment? |
| 01:54.52 | a_monkey | already tried |
| 01:55.01 | a_monkey | noone's answered for the longest time |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | that doens't amek this the right place |
| 01:55.20 | a_monkey | well, i use debian |
| 01:55.52 | a_monkey | the errors might have been due to a weird debianized aclocal or something |
| 01:55.55 | mwilson | a_monkey: <shrug> What version of automake do you have and what version of automake does it expect? |
| 01:55.55 | a_monkey | i didn't know |
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| 01:56.13 | a_monkey | mwilson: how do i know what it expects? |
| 01:56.44 | mwilson | a_monkey: Amazingly enough, this is why there's that mystical thing called... (wait for it...) *documentation*! |
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| 01:57.09 | herbi_ | can someone help me with nfs? i want to be able to mount my home directory over nfs, from one computer to another... my /etc/exports on the server says: /home/sourselin thalamus(rw,all_squash,sync) |
| 01:57.32 | herbi_ | but when i do mount thalamus:/home/sourselin /tmp/mnt |
| 01:57.45 | a_monkey | mwilson: Amazingly enough, the... (wait for it...) *documentation* doesn't explain that! |
| 01:57.55 | herbi_ | i get permission denied |
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| 01:58.11 | humbolt | is there a switch so i can apt-get install --reinstall file and all deps of file? |
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| 01:58.16 | phaedral | hi all |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | a_monkey: that's why you read mailing lists .. irc channels . or ask Gnea |
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| 01:58.33 | abrotman | a_monkey: also . did you check apt-get.org for unofficial packages? |
| 01:58.45 | herbi_ | nevermind, i figured the error |
| 01:59.03 | ShadowMaster1 | does any here run zaptel on debian? (part of the asterisk PBX)? |
| 01:59.08 | bucky | andax, http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-trigger-hotplug |
| 01:59.09 | phaedral | got an infobot that ran fine from cygwin, but chokes when transferred to my linux box |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 01:59.14 | dpkg | methinks asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 01:59.22 | phaedral | dies with gdbm fatal: read error |
| 01:59.25 | ShadowMaster1 | yes it is... |
| 01:59.29 | mtnman | humbolt: apt-get install foo will install foo and all its dependencies. |
| 01:59.48 | humbolt | --reinstall |
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| 02:00.00 | humbolt | I wanna reinstall all those files |
| 02:00.00 | Lanani | Hi! |
| 02:00.13 | ShadowMaster1 | I'm having trouble getting the zaptel module to compile under debian. |
| 02:00.18 | humbolt | even when they are already installed |
| 02:00.19 | mtnman | humbolt: --reinstall does not change the behavior as far as grabbing dependencies. |
| 02:00.26 | humbolt | I know |
| 02:00.41 | humbolt | I want to know if there is something that can do it! |
| 02:00.51 | mtnman | humbolt: your question is unclear. |
| 02:01.11 | mtnman | humbolt: are you asking how to reinstall all of the dependencies? |
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| 02:02.21 | humbolt | I want to type something in my console that reinstalls package and all the deps eventhough they all are already installed! thats what I understand as reinstall. |
| 02:02.35 | ShadowMaster1 | apt-get upgrade ?? |
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| 02:02.40 | phaedral | suggestions for a good place to find an infobot guru? :) |
| 02:03.02 | doublehp | will ntpd set up the universal time at the precision of a second, or just keep it shifted as it is ? |
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| 02:03.08 | ShadowMaster1 | er, apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade |
| 02:03.20 | mtnman | humbolt: then the answer to my last question was "yes" ? |
| 02:03.26 | caphuso | doublehp: more like millisecond precision |
| 02:03.43 | humbolt | ShadowMaster1: will not install any files that are already on the system in the same version |
| 02:03.51 | doublehp | caphuso: do you use ntp ? |
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| 02:04.02 | caphuso | doublehp: yeah |
| 02:04.03 | mtnman | humbolt: if so, then look up the dependencies, apt-get reinstall foo dep1 dep2 .... |
| 02:04.04 | ShadowMaster1 | if you include the --force will it not force an upgrade even if the same version? |
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| 02:04.23 | doublehp | caphuso: whats the time for you ? (with sec plz ) |
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| 02:04.32 | ShadowMaster1 | or remove and reinstall <grin> |
| 02:04.37 | caphuso | Tue Apr 19 04:04:37 CEST 2005 |
| 02:04.41 | mtnman | humbolt: excuse me... apt-get --reinstall install foo dep1 dep2... |
| 02:05.07 | doublehp | caphuso: why does my box keep 25s late since 1 week ? |
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| 02:05.26 | humbolt | mtnman: thats what I want to prevent |
| 02:05.28 | chealer | caphuso: mine takes about 6 minutes a month |
| 02:05.32 | ShadowMaster1 | do a cron job to force it to sync one a day.. (or every hour) |
| 02:05.39 | mtnman | humbolt: what are you trying to prevent? |
| 02:05.42 | humbolt | I want a piece of software doing that |
| 02:05.43 | caphuso | doublehp: try stopping ntpd, running ntpdate and restarting ntp |
| 02:05.48 | chealer | doublehp: : mine takes about 6 minutes a month |
| 02:05.55 | mtnman | humbolt: write one. |
| 02:05.58 | caphuso | chealer: with ntp? |
| 02:06.06 | doublehp | caphuso: ntpdate : no servers can be used, |
| 02:06.08 | Delph | humbolt: there are tools that get the dependencies of a package |
| 02:06.10 | humbolt | that I have to look up the whole sh!t myself and type it in a line |
| 02:06.11 | chealer | caphuso: no, I thought he meant without |
| 02:06.12 | caphuso | doublehp: use pool.ntp.org |
| 02:06.23 | darthdavid | does anyone know how to write a while loop for a shell script so that it'll run as long as a specific program is running? |
| 02:06.25 | doublehp | caphuso: how can your take 6mn if you run ntp ? |
| 02:06.25 | chealer | if with ntp I guess there's a problem |
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| 02:06.35 | Delph | though i think it quite strange that someone would want to reinstall libc... if they buggered up their irc client. |
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| 02:06.38 | mtnman | humbolt: a simple script can check the deps and do that for you. should take about ten minutes. |
| 02:06.40 | chealer | doublehp: this was me, but I don't run it |
| 02:06.46 | mtnman | (to write) |
| 02:07.08 | Delph | apt-depends foo | perl magic | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:07.14 | Delph | fsdo magic |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | darthdavid: #bash |
| 02:07.31 | darthdavid | thanks |
| 02:07.37 | humbolt | well it also takes 10 minutes to apt-get remove and install again |
| 02:07.50 | humbolt | and that's what I am about to do now |
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| 02:09.18 | mtnman | humbolt: you seem to be saying that it is too much work to look up the dependencies. that it is too much work to type a long command line. that it is too much work to write a script. am i reading you correctly? |
| 02:09.57 | Delph | apt-get install magic wand |
| 02:10.08 | jim | mtnman: he's not reading you correctly at the moment :) |
| 02:10.09 | Overand | heh |
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| 02:10.15 | mtnman | hi jim |
| 02:10.22 | jim | hiya mtn |
| 02:10.35 | bykte | is only root allowed to do changes to the datebase for mysql? |
| 02:10.36 | mtnman | jim: so, exactly what do you think he _is_ reading? |
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| 02:10.55 | jim | mtnman: nothing here; his client isn't present |
| 02:11.04 | mtnman | jim: aha. |
| 02:11.09 | bourne_again | Hi, before I install debian, which is somthing I'm seriously considering, I just need to know two things that are very important to me. |
| 02:11.24 | jim | Brittney is a singer |
| 02:11.32 | cafuego | bourne_again: Sorry, we can't read minds |
| 02:11.35 | mtnman | bourne_again: feel free to skip the background and just ask the question. |
| 02:11.41 | bourne_again | cafuego: damn! |
| 02:11.47 | bourne_again | ok questions are |
| 02:11.50 | jim | what't the other one? |
| 02:12.11 | bourne_again | Does it have MP3 support built in (unlike redhat), and does the package management do dependency checking |
| 02:12.15 | mtnman | jim: britney is an actess who pretends to be a singer. |
| 02:12.32 | mtnman | bourne_again: yes and es. |
| 02:12.32 | cafuego | bourne_again: What do you mean by 'MP3 support built-in' ? |
| 02:12.39 | caphuso | bourne_again: mp3 decoding yes, encoding no. and debian invented dependancy checking |
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| 02:12.54 | bourne_again | Will it download the deps automatically? |
| 02:12.59 | jim | the package management does do dependency checking, and "mp3 support" can be added for several definitions thereof |
| 02:13.00 | jim | yes |
| 02:13.01 | cafuego | bourne_again: yes |
| 02:13.06 | caphuso | bourne_again: ever since the early 1990'ies |
| 02:13.09 | mtnman | bourne_again: you have many choices of mp3 players and dependency checking is so good it has been ported to other distros. |
| 02:13.23 | jim | such as... redhat :) |
| 02:13.32 | jim | well, conectiva |
| 02:14.06 | bourne_again | Redhat dependancy checking is really annoying though |
| 02:14.22 | cafuego | bourne_again: the debian one is fully automated |
| 02:14.27 | bourne_again | so it downloads them? |
| 02:14.30 | bourne_again | or just says theyre missing |
| 02:14.31 | cafuego | bourne_again: Yes |
| 02:14.34 | bourne_again | Ok cool |
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| 02:14.35 | jim | bourne_again: if you're unsure, have someone give you an older pentium box and install on that |
| 02:14.40 | mtnman | bourne_again: if you use the standard redhat pkg management, perhaps, but apt has been ported. |
| 02:14.40 | cafuego | bourne_again: it fetches them and installs them. |
| 02:14.48 | YaleR | how do I compile things into .deb? make-kpkg? |
| 02:14.56 | bourne_again | cuz what happens in redhat, it just spits out some missing dependancy and it can sometimes be near impossible to find |
| 02:14.57 | caphuso | YaleR: /msg dpkg mg |
| 02:15.28 | jim | YaleR: things? well you could get the debian packaging for things that have been packaged |
| 02:15.35 | mtnman | bourne_again: you are talking about the standard redhat way (of which i know nothing). however, debian's "apt" |
| 02:15.41 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.44 | jim | or you can try creating your own packagings |
| 02:15.53 | bourne_again | ok |
| 02:15.54 | cafuego | bourne_again: Debian will only complain about depends when a file is mising from the repository. This happens on occasion on 'unstable'. |
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| 02:16.12 | jim | bourne_again: there are times like that in debian |
| 02:16.29 | mtnman | bourne_again: so it seems that the answers to your two questions are "yes" and "yes". |
| 02:16.54 | YaleR | jim: yeah, I'm making my own |
| 02:16.57 | jim | I thought they were "Britney" and "42" |
| 02:16.59 | bourne_again | cool |
| 02:17.06 | bourne_again | I'll just use stable then |
| 02:17.13 | bourne_again | Oh yeah one last thing then I have to go. |
| 02:17.17 | bourne_again | BSD or SysV? |
| 02:17.20 | jim | YaleR: look at debhelper |
| 02:17.38 | cafuego | bourne_again: Debian is SysV |
| 02:17.43 | mtnman | jim: well, if you consider dependency checking to be "life, the universe, and everything" i suppose... |
| 02:17.44 | cafuego | bourne_again: Linux always is. |
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| 02:17.53 | bourne_again | cafuego: No it isnt. Slackware is BSD init |
| 02:18.11 | bykte | how do i check whether my apache supports php? |
| 02:18.17 | bourne_again | you have ot play with slackware to get SysV init to work |
| 02:18.21 | bourne_again | to* |
| 02:18.25 | cafuego | bourne_again: Oh, you meant init. That's a VERY SMALL part of bsd/sysv |
| 02:18.29 | jim | which is a collection of executables each meant to do a piece of the packaging, and each one has a man page |
| 02:18.34 | bourne_again | well thats what i meant |
| 02:18.40 | bourne_again | I know its not BSD |
| 02:18.41 | cafuego | bourne_again: Then again, my slackware 3.0 machine uses sysvinit. |
| 02:18.51 | bourne_again | if debian was BSD it wouldnt be linux |
| 02:19.06 | bourne_again | Ok . . . but slackware is up to 10.1 |
| 02:19.06 | LucienLacombe | bourne_again: never ever run ubnuntu |
| 02:19.10 | cafuego | bourne_again: Well, Debian/FreeBSD isn't Linux ;-) |
| 02:19.28 | cafuego | bourne_again: I've not had reason to migrate away from 3.0 on that machine. |
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| 02:19.35 | bourne_again | cafuego: How is Debian not linux |
| 02:19.36 | cafuego | bourne_again: it's stable and does what it's supposed to. |
| 02:19.49 | jim | bourne_again: not precise. if one of the choices of kernels debian had was BSD, then people could choose linux, hurd or bsd |
| 02:19.52 | enola | cafuego: hi there |
| 02:19.53 | cafuego | bourne_again: Where did i say that? |
| 02:20.16 | jim | bourne_again: there is a hurd port, I believe |
| 02:20.28 | bourne_again | cafuego bourne_again: Well, Debian/FreeBSD isn't Linux ;-) |
| 02:20.28 | jim | so debian is "not always linux" |
| 02:20.32 | bourne_again | oh ok |
| 02:20.32 | bourne_again | well |
| 02:20.37 | Overand | awesome. irc on a terminal |
| 02:20.45 | Overand | now i just need to figure out what i can use instead of pageup =] |
| 02:20.45 | bourne_again | overand: BitchX? |
| 02:20.50 | cafuego | bourne_again: yes, of course freebsd isn't Linux. |
| 02:20.56 | jim | Overand: that's how it all began :P |
| 02:21.02 | bourne_again | you said Debian/BSD not BSD |
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| 02:21.16 | enola | cafuego: back to my iptables again, how do automate loading iptables script |
| 02:21.19 | Overand | yeah no kidding jim |
| 02:21.19 | LucienLacombe | he he |
| 02:21.23 | Overand | wish my WYSE-60 was usable |
| 02:21.33 | cafuego | bourne_again: I saud Debian/FreeBSD. Which is not linux. (Unlike Debian GNU/Linux, which IS linux) |
| 02:21.33 | jim | bourne_again: ok, so maybe people weren't precise on stuff, but these are fairly small things |
| 02:21.35 | Overand | but it freaks if i try to use it on this box, i'll figure it out eventually |
| 02:21.37 | zignig | Overand: hehe, I've got a working one. |
| 02:21.45 | Overand | yeah it WORKS |
| 02:21.49 | Overand | it's just a configuration thing |
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| 02:21.58 | Hamled|Erp | I'm rather new to exim (and MTAs in general), and I'm not sure what is causing this: "2005-04-18 21:54:31 H=[my ip]:2503 I=[server ip]:25 F=<cellis@sypherion.com> rejected RCPT <rd@rmbaker.net>: relay not permitted" I was getting this when I first setup the server, because I didn't have sypherion.com listed in the local hostnames list, but I'm not sure what is causing this problem now |
| 02:22.02 | zinx | Overand: bad cable, wrong bps, wrong parity/bits/stop bits |
| 02:22.02 | Overand | now that i've spent sme more time with a more modern terminal (COLOR!) i might be able to get it to go |
| 02:22.06 | Overand | bourne_again: irssi |
| 02:22.07 | pi__ | Hola. |
| 02:22.08 | pi__ | Okay, |
| 02:22.10 | Overand | zinx: nothing that simple |
| 02:22.22 | Overand | zinx: more like anything-curse-based-is-horribly-messed-up |
| 02:22.25 | zinx | Overand: well, define "freaks out" |
| 02:22.27 | jim | Hamled|Erp: maybe someone is trying to use you as a spam relay? |
| 02:22.31 | zinx | Overand: oh |
| 02:22.37 | Overand | zinx: anything not-dumb-terminalsh is 'bad' |
| 02:22.39 | zinx | Overand: that's wrong terminfo/termcap :) |
| 02:22.40 | jim | or do you recognize the recipient address? |
| 02:22.44 | pi__ | I want to setup my serial connection on my debian server (PC) so I can use a null-modem and console into it instead of hooking up a keyboard/monitor... |
| 02:22.45 | Overand | zinx: nope =] |
| 02:22.46 | pi__ | how do I do that? |
| 02:22.47 | Overand | wish it was that |
| 02:22.48 | Hamled|Erp | jim, I was the one trying to send the email :P |
| 02:22.49 | Overand | however |
| 02:22.50 | zinx | Overand: it is that. |
| 02:22.54 | Overand | i might be able to get it set |
| 02:22.59 | LucienLacombe | pi__: minicom |
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| 02:23.01 | Overand | now that i have some more expeirence, on this terminal |
| 02:23.06 | dama | hi |
| 02:23.16 | zinx | Overand: it's entirely possible the terminfo entry you have that is designed for that terminal is incorrect. |
| 02:23.16 | mtnman | pi__: there is a serial console howto at tldp.org |
| 02:23.24 | Hamled|Erp | jim, not sure what config I need to use to be able to send messages out to anywhere |
| 02:23.29 | jim | Hamled|Erp: oh, ok... well as you might imagine, spam annoys some people... so the mta people turned on a few things by default |
| 02:23.36 | Overand | zinx: ah. well i tryed wyse60, wyse50, and vt102, and a few others |
| 02:23.43 | Hamled|Erp | jim, aye |
| 02:23.45 | Overand | it doesn't support vt220 though, iirc |
| 02:24.13 | Overand | i mean i'm using a 'Unisys DU 2000' terminal right now, which was apparently made by WYSE, and has a 486-66 chip in it, using soem nonstandard settings |
| 02:24.16 | mtnman | overand: vt220 should emulate vt100 without a problem. |
| 02:24.23 | enola | can somebody tell me, the default place for iptables config file |
| 02:24.25 | zinx | Overand: wyse60 wyse60-25 wyse60-25-w wyse60-316X wyse60-42 wyse60-42-w wyse60-43 wyse60-43-w wyse60-AT wyse60-PC wyse60-vb wyse60-w wyse60-wvb |
| 02:24.27 | Overand | mtnman: i mean the TERMINAL doesn't support vt220 |
| 02:24.48 | Overand | zinx: i used wyse60, wyse60-25, wyse60-w, and a few others |
| 02:24.56 | mtnman | overand: use vt100? |
| 02:24.57 | Overand | but i'll come back and complain more when i put some more time into it |
| 02:25.01 | Overand | mtnman: bad issues |
| 02:25.08 | dama | i have a couple of scripts which i initiated through the console. how to turn them into KDE menu items? |
| 02:25.12 | Overand | but i'll try again, like i said, now that i have more experience |
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| 02:25.27 | bourne_again | anybody know where I can find a list of which debian CDs contain which packages? I dont want to do a netinst but I dont want to download 8 isos either |
| 02:25.28 | LucienLacombe | Overand: experience is a good thing i hear |
| 02:25.40 | Overand | LucienLacombe yeah WHERE DO I GO DO DOWNLOAD THAT?!111 |
| 02:25.44 | Overand | (heh) |
| 02:25.44 | mtnman | overand: when i setup a serial console (to my firewall) the serial console howto was invaluable. |
| 02:25.58 | LucienLacombe | www.moreexperiences.org |
| 02:26.16 | mtnman | bourne_again: net install is the preferred method when possible. |
| 02:26.21 | Overand | mtnman: yeah, i looked through that a while ago. but i'm working now on this terminal with eveything but, say, pageup pagedown, and 'alt' |
| 02:26.29 | Overand | but i use escape for meta |
| 02:26.48 | bourne_again | mtnman: Ok but I don't want to do it that way cuz i may be installing on a few machines, and bandwith is limited, and i just like having the CDs |
| 02:26.57 | Overand | terminal + ncpmc + mpd == <3 |
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| 02:27.05 | Overand | bourne_again: apt-proxy |
| 02:27.17 | bourne_again | ? |
| 02:27.18 | mtnman | bourne_again: what overand said. |
| 02:27.30 | Overand | got one working debian machine? |
| 02:27.33 | bourne_again | No. |
| 02:27.42 | mtnman | bourne_again: at your console, type apt-cache show apt-proxy for an explanation. |
| 02:27.45 | Overand | apt-proxy is exactly what it sounds like |
| 02:27.54 | Overand | it's *great* |
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| 02:28.44 | Overand | however, some advanced features are a little broken in the 'testing/sarge' version, but nothing you'd encounter in normal use |
| 02:28.57 | Overand | just don't try to use apt-proxy-import until it gets fixed... it's broken |
| 02:29.26 | bourne_again | Ok, but right now I dont have a debian box |
| 02:29.33 | bourne_again | i have found a webpage that listed it in the past |
| 02:29.38 | bourne_again | i just cant remember waht it is |
| 02:29.47 | dama | i have a couple of command scripts which i now run via the console. how to turn them into KDE menu items? |
| 02:30.00 | bourne_again | dama: use the KDE menu editor |
| 02:30.28 | dama | have you tried it before? |
| 02:30.45 | bourne_again | no, but im pretty sure it can be done through that |
| 02:31.05 | mtnman | bourne_again: see packages.debian.org and look for apt-proxy. |
| 02:31.12 | jim | bourne_again: all I can say is you would be the one to decide whether to try debian or not... again, I suggest a separate box so you don't have to do much should you decide against it |
| 02:31.19 | dama | i'll check it out. thanks. |
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| 02:33.45 | laggerzero | i need some help with an alps touchpad |
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| 02:33.58 | DoppelGanger | i need some mental help |
| 02:34.03 | laggerzero | don't we all |
| 02:34.11 | mtnman | doppelganger: wrong channel. |
| 02:34.24 | DoppelGanger | damn |
| 02:34.41 | mtnman | doppelganger: unless mental is a debian package of which i have not heard. |
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| 02:35.07 | laggerzero | its actually an ubuntu question (which is debian based) but no one in the other channel can help me it seems |
| 02:35.14 | mtnman | !find mental |
| 02:35.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mental' (2): doc-rfc-experimental ;; icewm-experimental. |
| 02:35.30 | mtnman | doppelganger: i sit self-corrected. |
| 02:35.39 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 02:35.41 | DoppelGanger | w00t |
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| 02:36.21 | laggerzero | had the same problem in Debina |
| 02:36.26 | DoppelGanger | one day i will get tht spelling correct |
| 02:36.26 | laggerzero | debian |
| 02:36.33 | bbmj | i'm planning on registering a domain that someone has allowed to expire. it expired yesterday but it still unavailable. what good is an expiration date if it doesn't actually expire at that time. how does this work? |
| 02:36.33 | Guerin | laggerzero: this is ont of the problems with using a poorly-supported distro |
| 02:36.58 | jim | laggerzero: the consensus of helpers and probably helpees feel that debian-based dists that are not debian are unsupportable here |
| 02:36.59 | DoppelGanger | bbmj: www.google.com |
| 02:37.00 | laggerzero | i got it to work in their 2.6.11 kernel |
| 02:37.04 | laggerzero | but it keeps panicing on me |
| 02:37.04 | Guerin | bbmj: the registrar typically holds it over for a while. It'll free up sometime. |
| 02:37.09 | jim | just so you know... |
| 02:37.42 | jim | well that sounds like the kernel more than anything else |
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| 02:38.08 | DoppelGanger | bad compilation |
| 02:38.16 | laggerzero | its a prebuilt |
| 02:38.28 | laggerzero | every kernel compilation i've tried in ubuntu has failed |
| 02:38.30 | DoppelGanger | my least favorite compound word |
| 02:38.32 | laggerzero | don't know why |
| 02:38.34 | jim | lack of ram? bad ram? |
| 02:38.51 | laggerzero | ram is not the issue |
| 02:38.54 | jim | failing motherboard? failing video card? failing agp slot? |
| 02:38.54 | DoppelGanger | bad off shoot distro |
| 02:38.56 | mtnman | doppelganger: a compound word is one word, not two. |
| 02:39.13 | jim | have you tested your ram lately? |
| 02:39.23 | maher | laggerzero: why are youtrying to compile a kernel |
| 02:39.33 | laggerzero | i'm not |
| 02:39.39 | laggerzero | i'm just trying to get my touchpad working |
| 02:39.49 | jim | maher: he's saying he's having problems with a prebuilt kernel |
| 02:39.56 | mtnman | laggzero: in X or console? |
| 02:39.59 | DoppelGanger | A compound word is made when two words are joined to form a new word |
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| 02:40.01 | laggerzero | console |
| 02:40.09 | laggerzero | gam_server causes a kernel panic |
| 02:40.10 | bourne_again | debian stable uses kernel 2.4.x right? |
| 02:40.19 | mtnman | doppelganger: that would be a single new word. |
| 02:40.27 | laggerzero | seeing that it is a dependency to everything it seem to be a problem |
| 02:40.35 | jim | laggerzero: or 2.2 |
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| 02:40.46 | Guerin | bourne_again: your choice od 2.2 or 2.4 series |
| 02:40.48 | DoppelGanger | hmmm |
| 02:41.12 | jim | laggerzero: you need to rule out your machine as being the problem, or your installation |
| 02:41.15 | laggerzero | 2.6.11 |
| 02:41.24 | laggerzero | its fine in other distros |
| 02:41.26 | jim | before complaining here |
| 02:41.37 | laggerzero | I've compiled many kernels in other distros |
| 02:41.40 | laggerzero | all have worked fine |
| 02:41.43 | jim | it is? so you use the same exact image? |
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| 02:41.49 | maher | laggerzero: does it not compile or not run |
| 02:41.53 | biotech | can someone help me i want to run knoppix and winxp on one system, how should i partion the drive and which should i install first? |
| 02:41.59 | mtnman | jim: complaining is largely useless. better to ask a question. :) |
| 02:42.01 | jim | rule out your situation before complaining here. |
| 02:42.07 | jim | yes |
| 02:42.08 | laggerzero | wait hang on. a guy in the forum told me a wrong command |
| 02:42.12 | laggerzero | brb |
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| 02:42.40 | bykte | http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_debian_server_setup/ <-- the perfect woody setup :D nice :> |
| 02:42.51 | jim | biotech: #knoppix |
| 02:42.58 | biotech | thanks |
| 02:43.46 | Lanani | I have got a problem ... I need to install a driver for my modem, and before I have got installed them I cannot connect to the internet using Debian .... I need to install the follwing things: 1) kernel-source 2) ppp 3) libpcap0 4) ppp-pppoatm 5) rp-pppoe 6) libusb 7) libusb-dev 8) linux-atm ..... I am under windows at the moment .... PLEASE what may I do to install them on the offline(!!!) Debian system |
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| 02:44.47 | jim | Lanani: put a gateway inbetween |
| 02:44.50 | mtnman | lanani: i suppose you could download the packages you need to the windoze box, burn to cd, and mount the cd on the debian box. |
| 02:45.05 | mtnman | lanani: or what jim said. |
| 02:45.58 | mtnman | lanani: does your windoze os have internet connection sharing or whatever bill and co. call it? |
| 02:46.06 | jim | Lanani: are you using debian-installer to install? |
| 02:46.53 | Lanani | Let me answer to all your questions |
| 02:47.00 | Lanani | Jim: WQhat gateway? |
| 02:47.11 | Lanani | mtnman, Whats about the dependencies? |
| 02:47.29 | jim | what modem is this exactly? |
| 02:47.29 | Lanani | mtnman, yes, my windows has internet ... I am using it at the moment |
| 02:47.45 | mtnman | lanani: can the windoze os do internet connection sharing? |
| 02:47.50 | jim | what modem is this exactly? |
| 02:47.57 | Lanani | it is a Zyxel Prestige 630-11 |
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| 02:48.12 | jim | ok, is it external or internal? |
| 02:48.13 | Lanani | thats a not supported USB modem for XDSL |
| 02:48.20 | Lanani | XDSL is an internet connection here is austria |
| 02:48.35 | pi__ | so. |
| 02:48.39 | Lanani | jim: the modem is extern, so it is located on the top of my PC |
| 02:48.47 | Lanani | but there is some kind of card in the PC |
| 02:48.47 | jim | it's still dsl, is it not? |
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| 02:49.13 | Lanani | k forget about the card |
| 02:49.27 | Lanani | my father just told me that it does not deal with the modem |
| 02:49.35 | Lanani | jim, dsl .. well ... |
| 02:49.41 | Lanani | lemme searech some infos about it |
| 02:49.43 | Lanani | mopl |
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| 02:50.35 | bykte | what is someone from mit doing here? |
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| 02:50.38 | jim | tell your ISP you want an ethernet modem, and exchange |
| 02:50.49 | Lanani | jim the connection has a downstream of 2048 and an upstream of 384 KB |
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| 02:51.16 | Lanani | jim, my ISP does not have something like that |
| 02:51.22 | Lanani | jim I found a driver for my modem |
| 02:51.27 | jim | Lanani: of course they do' |
| 02:51.45 | Lanani | BUT: I need to dowenload the stuff I posted before to get the driver work |
| 02:51.56 | jim | tell them it turns out you don't have usb, but you do have ethernet |
| 02:52.04 | Lanani | in my PC are 3 harddrives. Linux is installed on hdb2 |
| 02:52.09 | Lanani | windows is on hda1 |
| 02:52.15 | Lanani | how should I share the connection?! |
| 02:52.25 | Lanani | apt-get could install everything easily |
| 02:52.47 | Lanani | jim, is there no other way? |
| 02:52.53 | Lanani | jim: the modem was very expensive |
| 02:52.56 | jim | maybe you should get an iso image |
| 02:53.02 | jim | you bought it? |
| 02:53.02 | mtnman | lanani: that is even easier. you can download the files with windoze, and install them with debian. |
| 02:53.20 | Lanani | mtnman, and whats about the dependencies? |
| 02:53.27 | Lanani | jim, ISO image for what? |
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| 02:53.35 | mtnman | lanani: you can download all of the dependencies too, if you want. |
| 02:53.36 | jim | PLEASE stop going in circles!! |
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| 02:54.08 | Lanani | mtnman, ok ... last question: How can I download something with ALL dependencies? |
| 02:54.16 | jim | Lanani: I'm recommending you do two things before you do any of this: |
| 02:54.20 | mtnman | lanani: you can look them up. |
| 02:54.30 | jim | (1) back up all your drives |
| 02:54.39 | jim | (2) read all of the installation manual |
| 02:55.07 | mtnman | jim: i'd put (2) as (1) |
| 02:55.31 | jim | if you don't do (1), that would be your problem if you lose anything and you must agree to that before continuing here |
| 02:55.32 | mtnman | (although backing up drives is rarely a bad idea) |
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| 02:55.42 | Lanani | ok I will do so |
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| 02:55.51 | Guerin | don't back up your drives |
| 02:55.56 | Guerin | just remove them from the machine |
| 02:56.16 | Guerin | naturally enough, excluding the one you need to use |
| 02:56.18 | Lanani | lol |
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| 02:56.28 | Lanani | hey please where are the dependencies listed? |
| 02:56.37 | jim | if you don't do (2), that would cause problems while trying to help you install |
| 02:56.49 | Guerin | Lanani: packages.debian.org |
| 02:56.52 | jim | read the install manual |
| 02:56.56 | Lanani | thats where I am |
| 02:57.04 | jim | good, read the whole thing |
| 02:57.07 | mtnman | lanani: apt-cache show foo will show you all kind of info on the package foo, including dependencies. or packages.debian.org as guerin suggested. |
| 02:57.10 | Guerin | Lanani: recursive deps are a pain in the arse |
| 02:57.12 | Lanani | I entered the name "kernel-source" into the searech field |
| 02:57.17 | jim | that way you'll see the different possibilities |
| 02:57.28 | Vamp|Man| | I've attempted to install the sarge i386... and it keeps stopping at 81% with "Error while running "modprobe -v ide-generic" .. i've tried 4 cdroms... 1 that actually worked on p2 500mhz... changed cables... just can't seem to see the answer... bad controller? |
| 02:57.30 | jim | and we can continue after that |
| 02:57.57 | Vamp|Man| | i've switched the cdrom to primary and hdd to secondary.. same thing |
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| 02:58.01 | jim | Vamp|Man|: floppies? |
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| 02:58.10 | Guerin | Lanani: to build a kernel you'll need all the deps of build-essential, plus libncurses5-dev, plus the kernel source and patches you want, plus all the deps of kernel-package |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | Vamp|Man|: you tried 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 02:58.22 | Vamp|Man| | yeh its the netinst 2.6 |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | did you try 2.4? |
| 02:58.32 | Vamp|Man| | i have it installed on like 3 other machines |
| 02:58.33 | jim | so it's a cd |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | ok .. don't answer the question |
| 02:58.45 | Vamp|Man| | i've tried 2 diff types of media |
| 02:58.51 | Vamp|Man| | yes i did abrotman |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | and expert modes? |
| 02:59.03 | Vamp|Man| | yep |
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| 02:59.07 | abrotman | and woody? |
| 02:59.20 | Vamp|Man| | it's already installed on there |
| 02:59.27 | jim | then upgrade it |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | so just dist-upgrade |
| 02:59.28 | Vamp|Man| | but theres no good reason why this 2.6 netinst wont work |
| 02:59.28 | maher | Vamp|Man|: a quick hack is to just pull the disc from the dud machine and put it in a working machine |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | !tell Vamp|Man| about woody->sarge |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | Vamp|Man|: ask #debian-boot .. file a bug |
| 02:59.49 | Guerin | Vamp|Man|: is that an ide controller module or a linux ide support module? |
| 03:00.41 | Vamp|Man| | abrotman, ok.. Guerin it dosn't get passed trying to mount the drive.. and i've always ran ide-scsi emu |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | but you don't need that to install |
| 03:01.37 | Guerin | Vamp|Man|: just answer the question... if it's a chipset driver module, boot into expert and deselect it; just load the linux ide support modules |
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| 03:02.26 | Vamp|Man| | right |
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| 03:02.43 | ArdomusMorty | is there any other program besides driverloader thats good for setting up a wireless card? |
| 03:02.48 | doublehp | my clock is about 2mn late ... will ntpd make it exact ? |
| 03:03.11 | bykte | what's the diff if it's 2mn late |
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| 03:03.20 | jim | yes, assuming the thing you're syncing to is accurate |
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| 03:03.55 | Guerin | 2 minutes is a long time |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | doublehp: ntp will . ntpd is for others to sync to you |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | doublehp: you want ntpdate |
| 03:04.09 | doublehp | bykte: if a computer is 5mn late, and an other 5mn early .. thats a shift of 10mn ... |
| 03:04.23 | jim | but ntpd is the client and the server |
| 03:04.39 | jim | unless they changes that |
| 03:04.40 | doublehp | abrotman: bash: ntp: command not found |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | sure |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:04.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | jim: sure .. but no reason to run a daemon oif you don't need it |
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| 03:05.05 | doublehp | Guerin: then why does thpd try to sync with servers ? |
| 03:05.22 | mwilson | Typical Gnome... they don't think you need to do it, therefore they don't provide any documentation of how it's doine. |
| 03:05.27 | jim | true... but if he wants to keep his time synced, he should run it |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | no he shouldn't |
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| 03:05.40 | abrotman | he should just run the daemon |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | err |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | the client |
| 03:05.56 | ddfire | hi |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | you know what i meant damn it |
| 03:06.04 | jim | they're the same program |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | there is ntp .. and ntpdate .. which don't include ntpd |
| 03:06.19 | maher | ntpdate suffices for most people |
| 03:06.27 | jim | ntpdate is a oneshot |
| 03:06.34 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 03:06.34 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 03:06.38 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 03:06.41 | jim | ntpd is the one that keeps it synced |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | i giv eup |
| 03:07.06 | esno | iahfleik difkweijfk |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | you want the client . not the daemon |
| 03:07.31 | ddfire | i need to install windows on my pc on a partition and i need to back up grub and then install it again but i dont know how do tat help please |
| 03:07.31 | esno | what'd |
| 03:07.33 | esno | d |
| 03:08.18 | robert__ | Anybody have a good howto on how to set up a machine with two ips? |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | should be able to install grub to a floppy .. then use that to boot back into debian .. then reinstall grub(with entry for win32) |
| 03:08.54 | jim | only if you're putting it on a horse with no name... |
| 03:08.56 | Guerin | robert__: man interfaces is pretty clear |
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| 03:09.58 | ArdomusMorty | is there any other program besides driverloader thats good for setting up a wireless card? |
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| 03:10.07 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 03:10.08 | esno | kasper? is that your last name? |
| 03:10.11 | robert__ | Guerin, yep. Standard debian answer:) |
| 03:10.30 | maher | ArdomusMorty: did you check what driver your card needs on the linux-wlan site |
| 03:10.48 | mlots | Does the sarge 2.4 kernel still prematurly enable cruft mode on iso9660's? |
| 03:10.51 | jim | s/ and gives them to Gueren/ |
| 03:11.03 | jim | forgot the other . |
| 03:11.06 | ArdomusMorty | no, whats that site im was only told about driverloader and its a pos |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | jim: thanks for helping :) |
| 03:11.41 | Guerin | robert__: it's pretty simple. You need to put them on separate networks, Sorting out the routes can be tricky. It helps to draw a diagram. |
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| 03:12.11 | Nexus | So is it normal to go 3 weeks and have apt-get update not turn up anything? |
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| 03:12.33 | maher | ArdomusMorty: i have never heard of driverloader: google linux wlan |
| 03:12.35 | ddfire | i need to install windows on my pc on a partition and i need to back up grub and then install grub again but i dont know how do tath help please |
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| 03:13.06 | robert__ | Guerin, why do I have to do that. The ips are on the same subnet. Its just to ease the migration of a domain. |
| 03:13.14 | mlots | ddfire: mbr, config or what? |
| 03:13.33 | robert__ | Guerin, it should just be to alias them, right? |
| 03:13.58 | Nexus | So is it normal to go 3 weeks and have apt-get update not turn up anything? Anyone not get updates lately? |
| 03:13.59 | ddfire | mlots, i dont know i have grub working now adn i need to install windows and then put grub to work again so i can enter to linux |
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| 03:14.13 | abrotman | Nexus: using what? |
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| 03:14.50 | Nexus | abrotman: WhenI do apt-get update |
| 03:14.53 | mlots | ddfire: If you trust it you could try the rescue disk after installing windows, and then re-install grub. |
| 03:14.54 | Nexus | I get nothing. |
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| 03:14.57 | abrotman | Nexus: which os? |
| 03:15.09 | Nexus | debian. sarge net-install |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | Nexus: did you choose an http sourcE? |
| 03:15.23 | llama32 | anyone know why firefox wont pick up my JRE? i installed j2re (seems to be the proper sun version, but doesnt actually say that), and firefox keeps telling me i need java to view whatever... would it have something to do with my old version of firefox (0.8) |
| 03:15.24 | Nexus | I've gotten updates in the past, but for about 3 weeks, I get no updates at all. |
| 03:15.36 | mlots | ddfire: You'd want to have the same kernel as whatever boot disk you're using, or at least close to it. |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | Nexus: your mirror could be out of sync |
| 03:15.41 | ddfire | mlots, i have a knoppix disck whit me now so i can use it but what files i need to back up? |
| 03:15.52 | Nexus | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 03:15.52 | Nexus | deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 03:16.12 | abrotman | Nexus: so try another one |
| 03:16.13 | mlots | ddfire: Probably just the master boot record (mbr). I dunno how so maybe try google. |
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| 03:16.36 | Nexus | abrotman You can have more than one, right? |
| 03:16.44 | ddfire | and mune.lst ??? or another file? |
| 03:16.45 | mlots | ddfire: Personally I'd just nuke the mbr and use knoppix to run grub. You might want to try installing grub using knoppix before installing windows. |
| 03:16.49 | Nexus | Got any suggestions for one that doesn't go out of sync? This is the second one that has done this for me. |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | Nexus: yep |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | ftp.us.debian.org . or maybe the psu one |
| 03:17.30 | Nexus | Ok. I"ll give it a shot. Thanx. |
| 03:17.59 | mlots | ddfire: I think backing up the mbr might require some hackery... dd on the device twice could be used to do it, but it'd be very dangerous |
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| 03:18.46 | abrotman | none .. just boot into debian .. and rerun grub .. but you will need a speical bootdisk .. either a grub floppy or a live CD of some sort |
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| 03:19.00 | mlots | ddfire: I don't know grub well, but for lilo I'd just reinstall. |
| 03:19.22 | mlots | ddfire: You're leaving a linux partition intact right? |
| 03:19.31 | jim | why would /var be busy (can't unmount) in maint mode? |
| 03:19.45 | abrotman | logging ? |
| 03:19.55 | mlots | jim: lsof or ps say anything? |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | utmp ? |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | badgers? |
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| 03:20.30 | jim | can lsof search/recurse the dirs? |
| 03:21.14 | mlots | Well since no one can answer my cruft question, maybe someone can tell me if there's any issues I may run into backporting a sarge x86 kernel to woody? |
| 03:21.21 | jim | there's nothign on /var/run |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 03:21.28 | jim | in even |
| 03:21.45 | abrotman | mlots: why would you want to do that? |
| 03:21.50 | jasonkb | yo yo yo |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | oy oy oy |
| 03:22.00 | mlots | I want to read >2G files on iso9660 images. |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | and which kernel does that? |
| 03:22.11 | mlots | I've checked and it seems the woody kernel can't do that. |
| 03:22.22 | mlots | abrotman: I dunno, just a hope. |
| 03:22.24 | ddfire | mlots, yes |
| 03:22.29 | maher | mlots: the 2.6 kernel can't do that either cos iso9660 doesn't support >2g |
| 03:22.41 | mlots | arg |
| 03:22.46 | jim | so that he too can be "just like a yoyo" |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | maher: that would make it impossible to make a DVD wouldn't it ? |
| 03:22.56 | abrotman | a 4.7GB dvd |
| 03:23.07 | maher | abrotman: mount your dvd - note the files are all under 2G |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | maher: what dvds? |
| 03:23.18 | mwilson | abrotman: UDF is also your friend. |
| 03:23.23 | maher | abrotman: all dvds |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | maher: i think i only have movie dvds .. and i have a dvd player for that |
| 03:23.45 | mlots | I read iso level 3 'r something could spread the file size over several somethings... I suppose I should go re-read the reference. |
| 03:23.45 | maher | abrotman: movie dvds work too |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | maher: please don't make me get up :) |
| 03:24.55 | maher | abrotman: mlots: i found out the hard way |
| 03:25.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | llama32: read what you just typed |
| 03:25.56 | mlots | maher: the interesting thing is that one of the util's that comes with mkisofs shows the proper file sizes, but Linux enables cruft mode so it doesn't. |
| 03:26.32 | maher | mlots: i think its worse than that -i couldn't get the data off at all - maybe i wasn't clever enough |
| 03:27.07 | jim | abrotman, bootlogd was it |
| 03:27.09 | jim | thanks |
| 03:27.15 | mlots | maher: luckily I'm working with images right now. |
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| 03:27.24 | kasper | how do i remove gdm as the default and add a different login manager? (its already installed and working just can't figure out how to get it to startup) |
| 03:27.41 | llama32 | abrotman: you got a problem with me wanting mandrake so i can wipe over my debian hd only to find mandrake thinks my sound card is a mouse and doesnt have a working vesa x server like the last version (excuse exhaduration and bad/non-existant spelling) |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | llama32: apparently from your statement . i can infer you like crap :) |
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| 03:28.05 | mlots | kasper: check with someone else, but I'd guess change the "alternative" |
| 03:29.02 | mlots | K, here's an easier one, how do I bridge two interfaces using iptables? |
| 03:29.05 | jim | reason it took me so long was I checked for badgers first |
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| 03:29.42 | abrotman | jim: sorry to confuse :) |
| 03:29.46 | llama32 | i got debian off a magazine :D:D only os i didnt was windows (my friends keep giving me windows discs, they must get bored of them eventually) and freebsd (ebay) |
| 03:29.53 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any cisco network simulator for linux need it for exam ? |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | mlots: netfilter.org |
| 03:30.07 | mlots | abrotman: good enough I suppose. thanks |
| 03:30.10 | abrotman | llama32: you paid someone on ebay for fbsd cds ? |
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| 03:30.15 | abrotman | mlots: also #iptables |
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| 03:32.31 | llama32 | abrotman: yep... im on dialup and [until recently] had no cd burner or a hd that could even fit a .iso |
| 03:32.36 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | you sohuld upgrade :) |
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| 03:33.11 | llama32 | abrotman: i did :) |
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| 03:36.59 | llama32 | i hate it when u say something very wrong and everyone else goes quiet |
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| 03:37.41 | Cybodog | I need to run the set up after you first boot into debian, it tells you you can re-run this command at any time by running X. what is X? |
| 03:38.16 | jim | llama32: we're busy nodding, smiling and backing away slowly ;) |
| 03:38.39 | Cybodog | I can not remember the name of the program, you set up time, prioirty for diologe and such with it? |
| 03:38.46 | llama32 | lol |
| 03:38.53 | maher | Cyanophytes: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 03:39.15 | maher | Cybodog: : dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 03:39.19 | Cybodog | maher, I think that is right, but will not do what I want. |
| 03:39.24 | jim | in my case I'm converting away from reiser |
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| 03:39.28 | Cybodog | I need to set up the hwclock to utc. |
| 03:39.36 | maher | Cybodog: tzconfig |
| 03:39.37 | Cybodog | I though debconf would do that. |
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| 03:39.40 | Cybodog | ahhh |
| 03:39.43 | Cybodog | bing! |
| 03:40.27 | doublehp | what the hell happens tonight ? |
| 03:40.29 | Cybodog | maher thank you |
| 03:41.24 | doublehp | where are all Debians talking about debian ? |
| 03:41.24 | doublehp | do 300 ppl less make such a difference ? |
| 03:41.24 | Cybodog | 300 ppl less? |
| 03:41.25 | Cybodog | why 300 ppl les? |
| 03:41.28 | jim | les claypool? |
| 03:41.51 | doublehp | Cybodog: this chan is usually close to 950 or 980 ppl |
| 03:42.04 | llama32 | in some ways, freebsd is so much nicer than debian... you just do sysinstall or something and it lets u do all that and install software and shit all menu driven, and you dont have to download 3mb+ files just in order to install more software off the net... |
| 03:42.09 | Cybodog | humph, never noticed. |
| 03:42.19 | jim | I haven't seen > 900 yetr |
| 03:42.24 | mngrif | after upgrading to 2.6.x from 2.4.x, do i need to install udev? (my sound quit working) |
| 03:42.41 | Cybodog | mngrif sounds more like alsa (no pun) |
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| 03:44.01 | doublehp | mngrif: not mandatory for the system |
| 03:44.17 | doublehp | mngrif: whidely recommended for the user |
| 03:44.23 | jim | but necessary for the human |
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| 03:44.39 | doublehp | jim: was about 1150 end of last week |
| 03:44.46 | jim | wow |
| 03:44.50 | mngrif | doublehp: thanks |
| 03:45.03 | llama32 | how many vds do most ppl in here have? |
| 03:45.16 | llama32 | ehh as in virtual desktops not venerial disease |
| 03:45.27 | jim | llama32: you mean like aids and chlamidya? |
| 03:45.29 | jetx | venereal diseases? |
| 03:45.29 | jetx | ah |
| 03:45.31 | mngrif | and now, how do i add /etc/init.d/whatever to various runlevels? (specifialy, the One True Debian Way) |
| 03:45.55 | jim | update-rc.d |
| 03:46.02 | jim | manit |
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| 03:46.09 | jim | itsagas |
| 03:46.36 | doublehp | llama32: vds ??? |
| 03:46.52 | llama32 | virtual desktop |
| 03:46.56 | jetx | yeah syphillis, gonerrea.. |
| 03:46.57 | doublehp | llama32: Enlightnement16: 4 of 2*3 ... thats 24 |
| 03:47.00 | llama32 | s |
| 03:47.29 | llama32 | or venereal diseases, whichever is a higher number |
| 03:47.30 | doublehp | llama32: when idleling, I use 8 of them .... when I work, at least 20 |
| 03:47.35 | jetx | the default # of venereal diseases in debian is usually 4 |
| 03:47.40 | llama32 | wow |
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| 03:47.52 | llama32 | :o |
| 03:48.03 | llama32 | rofl |
| 03:48.16 | jetx | also virtual desktops are usually 4 by default it would seem |
| 03:48.31 | jetx | ymmv |
| 03:48.32 | doublehp | llama32: 6 with 4 Eterm each ... plus 6 for PDf ... plus 2 for the browser and online docs ... |
| 03:48.35 | llama32 | windows has a much higher venereal disease:virtual desktop ratio... |
| 03:48.40 | jim | I don't use vds |
| 03:48.53 | suifur | I've installed XFce4 and using XDM as a display manager, could anyone point me in the direction of how to get things like aumix and xscreensaver to start automagically. Should I just use .xinitrc, I've tried editing the "xinitrc" file in /etc/X11/xfce4/ and it seems to work with aumix but not xscreensaver. Anyone directions someone can point me to? |
| 03:49.02 | jim | in fact |
| 03:49.03 | mlots | iptables -N forward0to1;iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1;iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 #this line to connect two network segments? |
| 03:49.07 | jim | I find vd kinda useless |
| 03:49.25 | maher | mlots: isn't there specific bridging stuff to do this/ |
| 03:49.44 | llama32 | 3 terms, 2 browsers, 1 irc, 3 nedit... i think thats all i got |
| 03:49.54 | llama32 | ooh and 2 rox filer windows |
| 03:49.59 | mlots | maher: it looks like it's binding two interfaces together when I was reading about "bridging". |
| 03:50.30 | jetx | ' |
| 03:50.30 | mlots | maher: doh, I suppose that's what I want. |
| 03:50.30 | jetx | that was a psa when i grew up |
| 03:50.30 | jetx | always stuck in my mind |
| 03:50.31 | doublehp | jim: when I chat, I need 8 windows ... whan I work, where do I put my 10 terms + at least 4 PDF ? |
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| 03:51.18 | T-o-L | hello all |
| 03:51.21 | jetx | i find 4 or 5 to be useful |
| 03:52.09 | jim | my thing is, I just pile all my windows up, and I use either fvwm2 or sawfish, which lets me grab windows by their edge; clicking sends them all the way forward or all the way back |
| 03:52.10 | mngrif | llama32: what wm did you use? |
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| 03:53.09 | T-o-L | in Totem Movie player I have in the preferences: "Tv-out in fullscreen by Nvidia" but I cant push on it, why? |
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| 03:53.22 | llama32 | mngrif: afterstep, amiwm (in which only a few vd's were suitable), and some other minimalistic one |
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| 03:53.36 | T-o-L | and I'm using Tv out from the XF86Config-4 file... |
| 03:53.42 | ArdomusMorty | maher does that stuff need pcmcia-cs? |
| 03:53.51 | jim | T-o-L: you don't have that ability/ |
| 03:54.08 | jim | oh, you do? |
| 03:54.09 | T-o-L | jim, so how can I enable it please? |
| 03:54.22 | kittonian | i think i''m losing it. i just downloaded qmail-patches.bz2 and ran bunzip2 on it. it decompresses but all I get it a file called qmail-patches. what am i supposed to do with that in order to actually get the files out of the archive so I can use them to patch qmail? |
| 03:54.24 | jim | dunno, check the readmes and such |
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| 03:54.34 | T-o-L | yes, my computer is connecting to the TV, and I can see the screen on my Tv |
| 03:55.08 | doublehp | T-o-L: maybe your drivver doesnt support it |
| 03:55.17 | doublehp | T-o-L: or X was not configured to use it |
| 03:55.19 | jim | if you can also see your tv on the screen, there's a feedback loop! |
| 03:55.27 | drummer87 | hey, what's a good channel to ask about modding and electronics? (ie tft lcd screens) |
| 03:55.50 | jim | there's a #electronics |
| 03:55.56 | drummer87 | thanks |
| 03:56.00 | jim | btw, what kinds stuff do you play? |
| 03:56.09 | technos | drummer87: If you have a laptop display you're hoping to hook to a PC, forget about it. :) |
| 03:56.10 | T-o-L | sec I will show u the X config setting |
| 03:56.12 | doublehp | drummer87: #hardware ? |
| 03:56.45 | kittonian | hello, anyone? |
| 03:56.49 | drummer87 | it's a mini lcd screen from a digital camera that's died |
| 03:56.53 | T-o-L | how called the site that I can past there please? |
| 03:57.02 | kittonian | anyone know how to properly extract a bz2 file? |
| 03:57.11 | jim | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 03:57.26 | jim | man bzip2 |
| 03:57.27 | peterS | kittonian: use 'bzip2 -d' |
| 03:57.27 | Overand | ok, what's a quick command to just list directories? |
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| 03:57.35 | peterS | Overand: ls -d */ |
| 03:57.46 | jim | find . -type d |
| 03:57.49 | doublehp | welsh salted butter + honney on home made bread .... |
| 03:57.54 | peterS | jim: yeah but that recurses |
| 03:57.58 | technos | drummer87: Not worth worrying about. By the time you put together what's required to run it, you're out $100 |
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| 03:58.13 | jim | ls -l | grep "^d" |
| 03:58.23 | doublehp | kittonian: tar -xvjf |
| 03:58.25 | peterS | jim: 'ls -d */' is still faster to type |
| 03:58.32 | T-o-L | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sytIvY43.html |
| 03:58.39 | jim | -d doen't get you dirs only |
| 03:58.46 | peterS | jim: try what I said |
| 03:58.46 | WillySilly | is there a way to generate a new status file for apt? |
| 03:58.52 | kittonian | doublehp: it's not a tar.bz2 so that doesn't work |
| 03:58.59 | peterS | jim: the -d does not, but */ is expanded by the shell into all directories |
| 03:59.10 | kittonian | peterS: I just ran that and got the same qmail-patches file, not a directory with any files |
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| 03:59.18 | doublehp | kittonian: bunzip2 ? |
| 03:59.26 | kittonian | doublehp: I tried that too |
| 03:59.28 | jim | ahh, looky dat, it does work |
| 03:59.37 | peterS | kittonian: no, you got an uncompressed file. what is in that file, I don't know |
| 03:59.44 | doublehp | kittonian: what dose file say ? |
| 04:00.06 | jim | peterS doesn't know -and- you didn't say :) |
| 04:00.16 | kittonian | i need the qmail-patches file so I went to the sourceforge site and they have it posted in bz2 format (why I have no clue). so i downloaded it and now i must extract it. |
| 04:00.22 | T-o-L | someone know what should I do please? |
| 04:00.34 | kittonian | thhe file doesn't say anything. it was qmail-patches-5.bz2 and now it's qmail-patches-5 |
| 04:00.38 | kittonian | but it's not a dir |
| 04:00.43 | peterS | kittonian: at a guess, it's a tar file. use 'tar xf filename' or 'tar xjf filename.bz2' |
| 04:00.47 | maher | kittonian: bunzip2 foo.bz2 |
| 04:00.53 | jim | kittonian: file qmail-patches-5 |
| 04:00.55 | doublehp | kittonian: what dose file say ? |
| 04:00.55 | peterS | kittonian: oh, it's probably a patch file then. use 'patch' with it |
| 04:01.06 | doublehp | kittonian: file IS A COMMAND |
| 04:01.29 | doublehp | kittonian: file foo.bz2 |
| 04:01.43 | doublehp | kittonian: bunzip2 may not say, but JUST extract stuff |
| 04:01.47 | jim | "compressed file with bzip" |
| 04:01.55 | kittonian | here's the result of file |
| 04:02.01 | Overand | heh |
| 04:02.08 | kittonian | qmail-patches-5: 'diff' output text |
| 04:02.10 | Overand | if it's multi-line, don't paste it. |
| 04:02.22 | Overand | yeah somehow that's not surprising |
| 04:02.26 | jim | kittonian: that confirms that it is in fact a patch |
| 04:02.29 | BlackJudas | What package modifies /etc/motd? |
| 04:02.38 | jim | emacs |
| 04:02.41 | BlackJudas | Or rather.. which script? |
| 04:02.45 | Overand | nano |
| 04:02.45 | Overand | vi |
| 04:02.46 | BlackJudas | jim, ;) |
| 04:02.49 | Overand | wine notepad.exe |
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| 04:02.52 | BlackJudas | :o |
| 04:02.53 | peterS | BlackJudas: grep for it in /etc/rcS.d/* |
| 04:03.00 | kittonian | ok, then i've got the wrong thing. |
| 04:03.00 | doublehp | BlackJudas: none |
| 04:03.01 | BlackJudas | Overand, That's hardcore! |
| 04:03.07 | kittonian | that makes more sense at least |
| 04:03.11 | kittonian | thought i was losing it there |
| 04:03.22 | jim | wow, my /home is still being tarred |
| 04:03.38 | peterS | doublehp: yes it does. as an option anyway - you can disable the option |
| 04:03.39 | BlackJudas | peterS, k will do. |
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| 04:03.39 | k0walski | How can I get apt to install all the suggested packages? |
| 04:03.53 | BlackJudas | doublehp, I dunno, after an install there's always that Linux hostname etc etc... "The programs included with Debian.... " and it goes on. |
| 04:04.02 | doublehp | k0walski: use your mouse :) |
| 04:04.08 | ozzloy | i have two firefox windows open, each on a separate virtual desktop, and i can't give focus to the second one. <ctrl>L highlights the location bar of the first one, even when i'm on the second virtual desktop... wtf?? |
| 04:04.19 | k0walski | doublehp, use my mouse? |
| 04:04.25 | jim | BlackJudas: see what package owns /etc/motd |
| 04:04.27 | doublehp | k0walski: copy, past :D |
| 04:04.34 | jim | or future |
| 04:04.38 | ozzloy | even clicking on the location bar doesn't help... any takers? |
| 04:04.38 | k0walski | ahhh |
| 04:04.46 | BlackJudas | jim, good idea... but I'd assumed no package would. |
| 04:04.58 | doublehp | k0walski: but ... I recommend not to install recommended packages blindly |
| 04:05.00 | jim | then you won't have that file |
| 04:05.07 | peterS | BlackJudas: anyway, you probably discovered /etc/rcS.d/S55bootmisc.sh by now |
| 04:05.08 | k0walski | doublehp, ok.. thanks |
| 04:05.13 | ArdomusMorty | is there any other program besides driverloader thats good for setting up a wireless card? |
| 04:05.19 | k0walski | y |
| 04:05.20 | doublehp | k0walski: sometimes apt gives bad ideas |
| 04:05.23 | Overand | yeah, if you install mpc you don't neccesarily want mpd |
| 04:05.26 | peterS | jim: not always true. many packages create and update files (especially config files) they do not own |
| 04:05.44 | doublehp | ozzloy: ALT+TAB ? |
| 04:05.44 | BlackJudas | peterS, :) |
| 04:05.50 | k0walski | doublehp, thanks |
| 04:06.03 | llama32 | notepad on wine is a pretty desent editor imho... sure it doesnt have syntax highlighting, but its pretty fast (maybe not as fast as nedit which has syntax highlighting but no real word wrap) |
| 04:06.04 | ozzloy | double_c, nada |
| 04:06.06 | doublehp | BlackJudas: dpkg -S motd |
| 04:06.15 | ozzloy | er, doublehp |
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| 04:06.36 | doublehp | ArdomusMorty: whats your chipset ? |
| 04:06.43 | peterS | doublehp: you're not being helpful. no package owns it. |
| 04:06.54 | BlackJudas | doublehp, yep that turned up nothing. |
| 04:06.59 | peterS | doublehp: it's created by base-files, but it doesn't belong to that |
| 04:07.01 | BlackJudas | peterS, yep, looking through it now. |
| 04:07.23 | ArdomusMorty | texas instrument |
| 04:07.36 | jim | chile stirrer |
| 04:08.01 | peterS | BlackJudas: you probably see the test for $EDITMOTD. This is something you can set in /etc/default/rcS |
| 04:08.19 | doublehp | peterS: thats what I just said: (05:02:26) doublehp: BlackJudas: none |
| 04:08.24 | Overand | one of my friends from high school just rememinded me that we had a teacher named Mr. Root |
| 04:08.27 | doublehp | ArdomusMorty: arg :( |
| 04:08.27 | peterS | doublehp: that's when he asked which script updates /etc/motd. you said none. that wasn't right |
| 04:08.27 | Overand | *heh* |
| 04:08.39 | ArdomusMorty | its for USR-5416 |
| 04:08.39 | BlackJudas | Yep, I found it :) Thanks for the pointers! |
| 04:08.45 | jim | !info freemind |
| 04:08.49 | doublehp | peterS: or, say the install CD ? |
| 04:08.52 | dpkg | freemind: (A Java Program for creating and viewing Mindmaps), section contrib/text, is optional. Version: 0.7.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 604 kB |
| 04:08.57 | ozzloy | doublehp, got fed up with it, just killed and restarted both firefox windows, seems to be working fine now. |
| 04:09.18 | llama32 | how do i set up an incredibly old (Epson LX-400) lpt printer? |
| 04:09.22 | maher | ArdomusMorty: did you look at the linux-wlan site? |
| 04:09.39 | ozzloy | doublehp, thanx anyways |
| 04:09.39 | technos | Overand: Does that mean a substitute is a chroot'ed FS? |
| 04:09.39 | doublehp | ozzloy: I use TBE, and set it up never to use several windows, but just tabs |
| 04:09.43 | ozzloy | tbe? |
| 04:09.53 | doublehp | ozzloy: 1s |
| 04:09.58 | ArdomusMorty | yes maher but i've no idea what to do with it, i installed pcmcia-cs then installed it and now im stuck heh |
| 04:10.09 | maher | ArdomusMorty: what driver does it want? |
| 04:11.21 | llama32 | what browsers do most ppl use? Overand - dont say wine iexplore.exe or whatever it is :P |
| 04:11.50 | doublehp | ozzloy: http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/tabextensions/index.html.en ... it takes 30 to 40 minutes to configure the first time .... but I sware it worth it |
| 04:11.50 | Overand | technos: heh |
| 04:11.53 | Overand | haha |
| 04:11.54 | llama32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.54 | Overand | i use links and firefox mostly |
| 04:11.54 | Overand | wait wait |
| 04:11.56 | Overand | wget |
| 04:11.57 | ArdomusMorty | it doesn't say any drivers on that site |
| 04:11.59 | doublehp | ArdomusMorty: TI works with ACX drivers ? |
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| 04:12.18 | ArdomusMorty | huh |
| 04:12.23 | maher | ArdomusMorty: on the linux-wlan site there is a hardware compatibility list - did you llokat that |
| 04:12.41 | hdkiller | <-- telnet |
| 04:12.41 | Overand | wget http://www.google.com && wine notepad.exe index.html |
| 04:12.52 | ozzloy | doublehp, i have one window open up to fill everything but the text-editor session and the other open up full screened, i'm thinking the tbe might be cool but not what i'm looking for |
| 04:13.01 | mngrif | elinks + fbi |
| 04:13.01 | ArdomusMorty | yes |
| 04:13.01 | ArdomusMorty | US Robotics802.11gUSR5416PCI TI |
| 04:13.03 | llama32 | rofl |
| 04:13.14 | hdkiller | btw galeon it's k for gui |
| 04:13.18 | hdkiller | lynx for terminal |
| 04:13.31 | mngrif | although i don't know how to set elinks up to auto-open fbi on an image when i "click" on one |
| 04:13.51 | doublehp | ozzloy: firefox have options to catch all request, and group them in one window ... but TBE really adds value to FF |
| 04:14.05 | maher | ArdomusMorty: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 04:14.46 | doublehp | hdkiller: there are many casse where I prefer lynx to any other browser ... |
| 04:14.46 | ozzloy | doublehp, i'll give it a whirl, thanx. right now i'm coding for a class deadline though |
| 04:14.54 | ArdomusMorty | yes i know i just pasted the result from it |
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| 04:15.16 | popmonkey | hi, i'm currently running sarge and would like to switch to woody. i'm having trouble finding authorative information on how to do this |
| 04:15.39 | PumpkinPie | popmonkey: you have a CD rom ? |
| 04:15.51 | Overand | ew. |
| 04:15.52 | jim | popmonkey: that would be downgrading, which debian is not designed to do automatically |
| 04:15.53 | popmonkey | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 04:15.55 | Overand | sarge --> woody? |
| 04:15.58 | PumpkinPie | popmonkey: and a burner? |
| 04:16.02 | jim | you can reinstall. |
| 04:16.08 | popmonkey | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 04:16.11 | michal_d | anyone here use courier-webadmin ? |
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| 04:16.13 | michal_d | i can't figure out how to make it accessible from anywhere but localhost |
| 04:16.13 | PumpkinPie | popmonkey: burn the ISO... put the CD into the computer you want woody on |
| 04:16.15 | popmonkey | jim: i realize that :) |
| 04:16.20 | jim | got stuff you want to save from your sarge? back it up |
| 04:16.20 | Overand | Hey, I'm running windows XP, and I would like to install MS-DOS 3.3 and keep my settings. =] |
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| 04:16.24 | ecliptik | are there any livecds that have reiser4 support? |
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| 04:16.39 | maher | ArdomusMorty: http://sourceforge.net/projects/acx100/ |
| 04:16.42 | ArdomusMorty | ;\ |
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| 04:17.02 | jim | do that first, then the question becomes "how do I install woody from a totally blank hd", because you're backed up |
| 04:17.09 | popmonkey | PumpkinPie: will the installer downgrade stuff like mysql? |
| 04:17.17 | _gentgeen_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:17.28 | ArdomusMorty | that project hasn't released any files |
| 04:17.42 | wayne_ | how to install the network shared printer ? |
| 04:17.52 | maher | ArdomusMorty: http://lisas.de/~andi/acx100/ |
| 04:17.53 | Overand | llama32: odd. do you not have a fake_windows dir? |
| 04:18.06 | maher | ArdomusMorty: as indicated on the most recent news item |
| 04:18.16 | popmonkey | jim: true, but what i would like to do ideally is to keep as much of the config as possible |
| 04:18.34 | Overand | popmonkey: not likely to happen smoothly |
| 04:18.55 | Overand | you can at the very least expect a lot of things to get broken |
| 04:19.08 | jim | popmonkey: if you were -up-grading, that would be possible |
| 04:19.09 | popmonkey | hmmm... i can't afford too much downtime |
| 04:19.22 | llama32 | Overand: i had that, and it created the windows directory and start menu and stuff, only when id install something (and id pick a folder to install to inside my fake windows folder) no files would be there |
| 04:19.22 | jim | why do you want woody? |
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| 04:19.44 | Overand | llama32: that's *odd* |
| 04:19.53 | popmonkey | jim: it's not my decision unfortunately :( |
| 04:20.02 | Overand | popmonkey: tell whoever it is that they're a fuckwit. |
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| 04:20.13 | popmonkey | overand: i know, i tried all day :) |
| 04:20.13 | Overand | although you might want to business-world-ize that first |
| 04:20.23 | jim | popmonkey: what is the box being used for? |
| 04:20.23 | maher | popmonkey: can you stall for a month or so? sarge will be stable soonish |
| 04:20.32 | Overand | popmonkey: tell them that it would be a FAR better investment in terms of time to install woody and migrate things over |
| 04:20.36 | popmonkey | jim: database applications and apache2 |
| 04:20.46 | Davey | OK, so I finally have my newest server running Debian Testing (instead fo FreeBSD 4.9)... I warn you now, I'm going to have questions :D |
| 04:20.48 | Overand | is there even an apache2 package on sarge? |
| 04:20.48 | jim | and why do they want woody? |
| 04:20.57 | jim | apache2 is not in woody iirc |
| 04:21.12 | popmonkey | jim: because someone somewhere told them it's less likely to get hacked. i know, i was at a loss for words too |
| 04:21.16 | dondelelcaro | Overand: yes. |
| 04:21.18 | llama32 | Overand: i might reinstall wine (i dont have it any more) and try again with a real fat partition |
| 04:21.33 | Overand | llama32: i've had no problems with using the fake_windwos dir |
| 04:21.35 | popmonkey | jim: exactly, neither is mysql4 which is what we need. so i have to force upgrade those anyway |
| 04:21.41 | dondelelcaro | if you're running in production, you're best of running stable... |
| 04:21.52 | jim | so this box is what, a production web server? |
| 04:21.59 | michal_d | damn.. courier-webadmin sucks.. there's no way to make it accessible on the local network :/ |
| 04:22.03 | Overand | yeah, but you're probably MUCH better off runnign sarge than running sareg then DOWNGRADING to stable |
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| 04:22.16 | popmonkey | jim: yes, production |
| 04:22.26 | popmonkey | but really, woody is what, 2.5 years old? |
| 04:23.05 | jim | yeah |
| 04:23.09 | jim | something like that |
| 04:23.24 | jbAU | popmonkey: more like 3 |
| 04:23.26 | popmonkey | overand: so the problem is that the current install has some issues and that's why the demand to downgrade. could i "upgrade" from sarge and fix things like broken library installations, softlinks, etc? |
| 04:23.26 | Overand | yeah, but it *does* have security.debian.org |
| 04:23.27 | mtnman | !woody |
| 04:23.27 | dpkg | i guess woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 04:23.30 | jim | Overand: cannot downgrade. |
| 04:23.37 | ecliptik | windows xp is 4 years old |
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| 04:23.50 | jim | debian is not designed for downgrading |
| 04:23.53 | Overand | ecliptik: 2005 - 2002 = 4? |
| 04:23.59 | jbAU | ecliptik: yes but windows xp is not a distro |
| 04:24.16 | jim | (if it were, maints would have to work A LOT harder than they do already) |
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| 04:24.53 | mtnman | popmonkey: you can always compile a more current version of mysql on a woody system. |
| 04:24.53 | jim | mysql?? |
| 04:24.56 | jim | you're kidding, right? |
| 04:24.59 | jbAU | mtnman: but then why use debian if you can't get packages? |
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| 04:24.59 | popmonkey | i actually think that i could get away with keeping sarge if only i could bring the server back from it's current state |
| 04:24.59 | ecliptik | the press release I saw on winxp was oct 2001 |
| 04:24.59 | Overand | hm |
| 04:24.59 | Overand | could be |
| 04:25.07 | popmonkey | exactly |
| 04:25.21 | popmonkey | i'd just force apt-get to get the mysql version we need |
| 04:25.27 | jbAU | ecliptik: yes it's 2001 for xp |
| 04:25.28 | mtnman | jbau: for a stable base system. |
| 04:25.34 | jim | popmonkey: they're not using mysql, are they? |
| 04:25.38 | WillySilly | is there a way to generate a new status file for apt? |
| 04:25.49 | Overand | jim: let's fight over what database system is better, it'll really help us solve the whole sarge --> woody problem |
| 04:25.59 | popmonkey | jim: i don't want to get into a flame war about mysql. for our uses it's fine. lets leave it at that :) |
| 04:26.06 | bykte | come on let's fight |
| 04:26.33 | bykte | so what will it be? bitch slap or cat fight? |
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| 04:26.33 | popmonkey | meow |
| 04:26.33 | ecliptik | sorry to bring XP into it, I just find it funny how Woody is a newer release than XP |
| 04:26.33 | Overand | !start a sql war |
| 04:26.33 | jbAU | i'm sitting at debconf in linux conf au 2005 |
| 04:26.36 | Overand | hrmph |
| 04:26.37 | popmonkey | alright, what about sarge->sarge update from cd? |
| 04:27.07 | Overand | popmonkey: you're dancing around the problem aren't you |
| 04:27.07 | jbAU | popmonkey: yes that will work, |
| 04:27.07 | Overand | did this box get rooted or something? |
| 04:27.23 | bykte | which box? |
| 04:27.28 | popmonkey | no, not rooted. some of the libraries got messed up during an aborted gcc upgrade |
| 04:27.43 | Overand | sweet |
| 04:27.51 | popmonkey | and the guy who owns the box is blaming sarge |
| 04:27.54 | wayne_ | Does any body tried to develop Symbian mobile program in Debian ? |
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| 04:28.03 | jbAU | ecliptik: yes but XP is just an OS. You can use current software on it -fine- . |
| 04:28.19 | mtnman | popmonkey: if you want to run debian stable (which is a good idea for a production box) and you need a more recent version of a particular package, you can always compile a more recent version on the woody box. |
| 04:28.26 | jbAU | ecliptik: but Debian is a distro, and as thus you use software that it was originally distributed with |
| 04:28.26 | Overand | jbAU: a little lagged? |
| 04:28.43 | jbAU | Overand: always lagged |
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| 04:29.00 | Overand | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.00 | popmonkey | mtnman: not even, i can just use aptitude and force to grab something later. that's not a problem |
| 04:29.23 | Overand | Oh great, there goes my apt-proxy being screwy |
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| 04:29.39 | Overand | why would apt-proxy EVER throw a 404? |
| 04:29.40 | jbAU | Overand: god apt-proxy is crap, so is apt-cache |
| 04:29.56 | jbAU | Overand: see above |
| 04:30.02 | Overand | jbAU: apt-proxy is great *when it works* |
| 04:30.02 | Overand | and frankly i'd say it's worth the flakyness |
| 04:30.02 | popmonkey | alright, i've got logs from this convo that i can use as ammunition against sarge->woody |
| 04:30.04 | popmonkey | i think that's a start :) |
| 04:30.15 | popmonkey | thanks folks |
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| 04:30.24 | Overand | most of the problems with apt-proxy are in non-standard scenarios |
| 04:30.30 | jim | popmonkey: and one sec, I'll get you ammo against mysql |
| 04:30.36 | Overand | apt-proxy-import being broken, etc |
| 04:30.38 | popmonkey | lol |
| 04:30.43 | jbAU | popmonkey: if you really want to tear your hair out, try and go from testing -> woody |
| 04:31.04 | popmonkey | <shudder/> |
| 04:32.15 | popmonkey | jbAU: that would be sarge->woody - which is what we were talking about. did you mean unstable->woody? |
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| 04:32.25 | jim | http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 04:32.36 | jbAU | popmonkey: err yes... that's exactly what i meant./.... |
| 04:32.39 | Overand | ah, it was just my mirror |
| 04:32.40 | Overand | apt-proxy itself is fine |
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| 04:32.59 | jim | popmonkey: tell them that postgres can do multitasking/multiuser |
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| 04:33.12 | popmonkey | omg, i was just waiting for you to say postgres |
| 04:33.14 | popmonkey | ahahahah |
| 04:33.21 | popmonkey | hilarious stuff jim, thanks for the laughs |
| 04:33.34 | jbAU | ok - i need to ask mako something whitty and anti-debian |
| 04:33.41 | popmonkey | you can't go into a geeky chat room these days with someone blasting mysql |
| 04:33.41 | jim | popmonkey: what db are you using? |
| 04:33.43 | jbAU | anyone have any idea's? |
| 04:33.55 | |^JaMeS^| | anyone tried makejail to chroot apache before? |
| 04:33.57 | popmonkey | s/with/without/ |
| 04:34.06 | peterS | popmonkey: wait ... he didn't mention mysql, he mentioned postgres. why did you think he was bashing mysql? |
| 04:34.16 | Overand | peterS: because he bashed it earlier =] |
| 04:34.18 | jim | popmonkey: aside from it being not acid-compliant... |
| 04:34.21 | jim | yes I was :) |
| 04:34.25 | popmonkey | peterS: he's pro postrgres |
| 04:34.27 | jim | I bashed it hard :) |
| 04:34.30 | Overand | HEY. I LIKE LSD WITH MY DATABASE BACKEND. |
| 04:34.36 | popmonkey | therefore hates mysql. QED |
| 04:34.42 | jim | well |
| 04:34.44 | peterS | popmonkey: why do you assume that means he's anti-mysql? can't someone be pro-both? |
| 04:34.49 | dama | i have put a command script file as a KDE menu item but cannot execute it from the menu. i suspect i have not put it in as a menu item correctly. in the menu editing, what sh0uld i fill in for "command" and "work path"? |
| 04:34.50 | popmonkey | peterS, not to my knowledge :) |
| 04:34.53 | Overand | peterS: he specifically bashed mysql earlier, heh |
| 04:35.03 | mtnman | peters: he was pretty blatantly anti-mysql |
| 04:35.03 | jbAU | i live sqllite |
| 04:35.04 | peterS | not that *I* can see the redeeming value of mysql, but that has nothing to do with whether I'm a fan of postgresql |
| 04:35.14 | Overand | MS SQL 2005 |
| 04:35.17 | jim | peterS: but I'm not, and he's right, I did bash it pretty good |
| 04:35.23 | stew | popmonkey: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:35.27 | Overand | .NET FRAMEWORK EMBEDDED IN YER SQL SERVER BIATCHES |
| 04:35.34 | popmonkey | jim has a mysql alert. whenever someone says mysql in this channel i bet it beeps and he immediately responds: "why are you using mysql???" |
| 04:35.34 | Overand | stupid flame wars |
| 04:35.39 | peterS | popmonkey: oh, I see |
| 04:35.49 | jbAU | Overand: can i get a binary for that? |
| 04:35.54 | popmonkey | ;) |
| 04:35.59 | jim | popmonkey: all you had to say was "database: :P |
| 04:36.05 | Overand | jbAU: sure, if you're an MSDN subscriber |
| 04:36.08 | popmonkey | jim: heh |
| 04:36.11 | peterS | Overand: oh, right, postgres probably doesn't have mono-based C# server side language support yet |
| 04:36.28 | Overand | piss all over MS all you want, their SQL sever, while being bloated, is still a fairly decent server re: performance |
| 04:36.31 | jim | but seriously, you're using mysql? |
| 04:36.34 | popmonkey | stew: ideally, repaid a couple of libs. and avoid having to downgrade because of a paranoid server owner |
| 04:36.35 | Overand | just... huge and closed |
| 04:36.46 | popmonkey | jim: the topic is closed (on my end) |
| 04:36.48 | stew | popmonkey: downgrade what? mysql? |
| 04:37.01 | stew | popmonkey: which libs? |
| 04:37.06 | Overand | stew: his boss him to go from sarge --> woody |
| 04:37.14 | popmonkey | stew: that's the problem. i'm not sure |
| 04:37.22 | popmonkey | i'm gathering info now |
| 04:37.22 | stew | popmonkey: sarge -> woody? |
| 04:37.28 | WillySilly | is there a way to generate a new status file for apt? |
| 04:37.28 | peterS | Overand: oh, I won't bash ms sql server. compared to mysql it's great (: |
| 04:37.51 | Overand | peterS: haha |
| 04:38.05 | popmonkey | stew: ideally, i'd like to re-install sarge |
| 04:38.05 | mwilson | WillySilly: Restore your backup. |
| 04:38.14 | WillySilly | backup doesnt work |
| 04:38.27 | dama | i have put a command script file as a KDE menu item but cannot execute it from the menu. i suspect i have not put it in as a menu item correctly. in the menu editing, what sh0uld i fill in for "command" and "work path"? |
| 04:38.28 | jim | Overand: (according to Phil Greenspun, at the time an admitted oracle salesman), ms sql has the locking mechanism that a sophmore cs student could have written |
| 04:38.40 | mwilson | WillySilly: Oh? No backups? |
| 04:38.48 | WillySilly | yes, i got one |
| 04:38.51 | kittonian | ok, this is going to sound odd, but i did a new deb install today and didn't do the "package installations" so as to keep a stripped down system. What exactly is needed in order to properly compile and configure qmail? |
| 04:38.51 | Overand | jim: *which* MS sql? |
| 04:38.52 | popmonkey | stew: and prove that it's a fine platform. but i think i'm going to be forced to downgrade to woody |
| 04:38.52 | WillySilly | but it doesnt work |
| 04:38.53 | Overand | i didn't say SQL 97 was good |
| 04:38.54 | Overand | heh |
| 04:39.06 | peterS | Overand: maybe he meant jet |
| 04:39.11 | Overand | hahah |
| 04:39.13 | popmonkey | hehe |
| 04:39.16 | Overand | JET > * |
| 04:39.16 | jim | not sure which one he was referring to |
| 04:39.21 | mwilson | kittonian: You ask a question like that, but think you should be using qmail? |
| 04:39.26 | popmonkey | pg is a funny guy |
| 04:39.27 | kittonian | i apt installed maked, g++3, etc. but i probably missed a bunch of stuff because make setup check isn't giving me the right output |
| 04:39.33 | Overand | Of course, there's the world's largest database application |
| 04:39.38 | Overand | MICROSOFT EXCEL |
| 04:39.43 | peterS | popmonkey: took me a moment to parse 'pg' as 'phil greenspun' there |
| 04:39.43 | jim | but I think Greenspun is working for MS now |
| 04:39.58 | peterS | popmonkey: it looked like 'postgres' for a second |
| 04:39.58 | Overand | "What do you mean it doesn't go past 65,000 rows?" |
| 04:40.04 | popmonkey | the photo.net guy??? |
| 04:40.07 | jim | right |
| 04:40.10 | popmonkey | workign for MS? |
| 04:40.16 | jim | right again |
| 04:40.17 | popmonkey | ugh |
| 04:40.29 | popmonkey | alright, now i'm tired AND depressed |
| 04:40.30 | Overand | heh |
| 04:40.31 | popmonkey | thanks jim |
| 04:40.53 | Davey | does anyone know of any PostgreSQL 8.0.2 .debs? |
| 04:41.11 | jim | the same guy that had aol buy a web application server, rename it to aolserver then release it using sorta a daisy chain licens the end of the chain being GPL |
| 04:41.24 | Overand | i should watch my tongue |
| 04:41.25 | Overand | A chunk of my paycheck is Blue-screen Money |
| 04:41.25 | Overand | "BSood Money" |
| 04:41.25 | mwilson | Overand: Excel is a good application. |
| 04:41.25 | mwilson | Overand: It's the only part of Office that is. |
| 04:41.25 | popmonkey | aight, i'm out. cya guys |
| 04:41.25 | Overand | mwilson: i didn't say it wasn't good. |
| 04:41.25 | Overand | it's just misused and abused a lot |
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| 04:41.26 | Overand | just like access |
| 04:41.28 | Overand | and jet |
| 04:41.31 | Overand | and... need i continue? |
| 04:41.33 | jim | and it cost 5000/machine |
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| 04:41.43 | peterS | Davey: I seem to remember hearing postgres8 was going into experimental.. |
| 04:41.46 | stew | popmonkey: sarge -> woody is not possible |
| 04:41.54 | Davey | peterS: not there yes, I don't think |
| 04:42.01 | Davey | least not so far as I can see |
| 04:42.02 | Overand | i'm GLAD ms is releasing stuff like SQL Express... thank god |
| 04:42.13 | jim | stew: he knows that now, and probably then too |
| 04:42.18 | Overand | maybe the access abuse will stop, at least a bit |
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| 04:42.24 | peterS | Davey: right, just 8.0.1 |
| 04:42.29 | peterS | Davey: is that close enough for you? |
| 04:42.44 | Davey | peterS: yup |
| 04:42.50 | Davey | how to install it? :) |
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| 04:43.10 | peterS | Davey: '/msg dpkg experimental' to see how to set up experimental in /etc/apt/* |
| 04:43.16 | peterS | Davey: then 'apt-get install postgresql-8.0' |
| 04:43.29 | Davey | I assume it's not advisable to install this on sarge? :) |
| 04:43.31 | jim | I guess you could get the .debs and install them, but note that experimental is an "addon" to sid |
| 04:43.40 | jim | not sure if you can |
| 04:43.42 | peterS | Davey: it'll probably work fine on sarge, frankly |
| 04:43.49 | jim | Davey: HOWEVER |
| 04:44.00 | peterS | Davey: insofar as anything from experimental is likely to "work fine" anywhere (: |
| 04:44.06 | jim | you can probably get the debianized source and build a package of it in sarge |
| 04:44.06 | Davey | I think I'll stick with 7.4.whatever till my Debian guru is back :) |
| 04:44.22 | peterS | hmm, '/msg dpkg experimental' doesn't actually say what to put in sources.list |
| 04:44.31 | jim | Davey: you ever know a guy named karl asha aka billy? |
| 04:44.38 | Davey | nope |
| 04:44.47 | peterS | jim: well, sarge and sid aren't diverged far enough yet - most things will move straight over |
| 04:45.12 | jim | peterS: that because sarge is the current testing? |
| 04:45.18 | peterS | jim: this'll change rather violently, I suspect, when sarge releases. people are being careful about changes in sid at the moment because of the possibility of needing to support sarge |
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| 04:45.26 | peterS | yeah |
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| 04:46.14 | mtnman | llama32: ifconfig ? |
| 04:46.53 | iLLf8d | anyone here play zelda windwaker on the gc? if so message me please |
| 04:47.04 | llama32 | thanks mtnman |
| 04:47.14 | mtnman | llama32: you're welcome. |
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| 04:47.39 | peterS | King_Brad: dpkg -L swat |
| 04:47.39 | peterS | King_Brad: as for how it starts up, that's up to /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 04:47.40 | peterS | llama32: or 'ip addr' if you have 'iproute' or 'iproute2' installed |
| 04:48.03 | King_Brad | okay |
| 04:48.25 | King_Brad | it says /usr/share/samba/swat would i put that in my inetd config file to start swat? |
| 04:49.06 | peterS | King_Brad: it doesn't already put anything in there? it ought to, if only commented out |
| 04:49.14 | King_Brad | umm |
| 04:49.17 | King_Brad | i am unsure |
| 04:49.20 | King_Brad | lemme look |
| 04:49.28 | peterS | it'll be pretty easy to spot, it will say "swat" at the beginning of the line |
| 04:49.47 | jim | King_Brad: note, the packaging should start it; you don't need to edit anything |
| 04:50.02 | King_Brad | #<off># swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat <--- thats whats in the inetd.conf |
| 04:50.18 | jim | ok, take off the off! |
| 04:50.24 | King_Brad | okay |
| 04:50.24 | jim | then restart inetd |
| 04:50.30 | King_Brad | kool |
| 04:50.40 | King_Brad | and the command to restart inetd? |
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| 04:50.57 | jim | you send it a signal |
| 04:51.15 | King_Brad | got it :) |
| 04:51.40 | King_Brad | ./etc/init.d/inetd restart Right? |
| 04:51.49 | bykte | wrong |
| 04:51.56 | jim | sure, you could do it that way |
| 04:51.58 | King_Brad | yup yup |
| 04:51.58 | King_Brad | sweeeet |
| 04:51.59 | King_Brad | thx |
| 04:51.59 | peterS | without the . |
| 04:52.05 | peterS | well, /etc/init.d/inetd force-reload |
| 04:52.11 | jim | is inetd in there? |
| 04:52.17 | peterS | 'force-reload' means "reload if you support that, otherwise restart" |
| 04:52.46 | bykte | bloody hell, some faggot ddos me |
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| 04:53.16 | peterS | a piece of firewood can run a DDOS network? |
| 04:53.17 | peterS | impressive |
| 04:53.53 | bykte | must have ddos me when i told him that his root for nasa.gov was fake |
| 04:53.59 | PF_ | a fag-a-tino |
| 04:54.04 | bykte | pathetic low life loser |
| 04:54.40 | jim | bykte: well, ok. but note, pissing people off is going to get responses, on the average. |
| 04:54.58 | bykte | well, he's a fake alright |
| 04:55.14 | jim | and if you piss an idiot off, the response could be bigger |
| 04:55.22 | bykte | imagine telling me telnet://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov:6775 is root on nasa.gov |
| 04:55.51 | bykte | jim, nvm |
| 04:55.54 | bykte | i dont care :> |
| 04:55.57 | jim | good idea. |
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| 04:57.28 | bykte | jim, u ever tried apf before? |
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| 04:57.30 | fusQuanto | what do i edit to make my window manager be windowmaker instead of gnome? |
| 04:57.36 | jim | wha't apf |
| 04:57.46 | bykte | some free firewall peopel ask me to use |
| 04:57.47 | mwilson | Gnome isn't a window manager. |
| 04:58.00 | fusQuanto | mwilson: i donno what it is but i just want my windowmaker back! |
| 04:58.26 | jim | I like debian's ipmasq as firewall |
| 04:58.46 | mwilson | <shrug> So undo whatever made it go away. |
| 04:59.05 | fusQuanto | i apt-got abuncha gnome stuff |
| 04:59.12 | fusQuanto | like 100s |
| 04:59.24 | fusQuanto | i did a dpkg-reconfigure wmaker |
| 04:59.29 | mwilson | So what you're saying is that you installed gnome, and now you don't like it. |
| 04:59.43 | peej | I have a gateway box on 2.2.26 kernel, with 2 nics (via-rhine eth0 and rtl8139 eth1). sometimes eth1 freezes up if snort and ipfm are running. I stop snort and ipfm and restart networking and the system runs again. currently I am having a cron job handle it because it happens once a day or every few days. Any clues as to what may be going on? |
| 04:59.46 | mwilson | Good for you. :) |
| 05:00.02 | mwilson | More people should have that opinion. |
| 05:00.04 | mtnman | fusquanto: tried update-alternatives --config x-window-manager? |
| 05:00.29 | mwilson | mtnman: Please don't tell people that damned alternative exists. |
| 05:00.50 | mtnman | mwilson: i shall tell people if i so desire. |
| 05:00.55 | jim | peej: not really... was it more solid with this same hardware ever? |
| 05:01.04 | mwilson | It was a request, not an order. |
| 05:01.09 | fusQuanto | im running metacity |
| 05:01.13 | fusQuanto | thanks mtnman ! |
| 05:01.24 | mtnman | mwilson: i request that you not ask that of me. thank you. |
| 05:01.33 | fusQuanto | mwilson: whats your purpose here? |
| 05:01.43 | llama32 | rofl |
| 05:01.53 | jim | conjunction junction... what's yo function? |
| 05:01.56 | mwilson | fusQuanto: The alternative isn't the way to fix your problem. |
| 05:02.09 | mwilson | fusQuanto: It's a Debian-ism that causes many more problems than it ever solves. |
| 05:02.20 | BlackJudas | hmm i asked dpkg about ssh... meh what's the tidbit about setting passwordless ssh logins? |
| 05:02.42 | mwilson | BlackJudas: You don't have to set anything to HAVE them, only to force them. |
| 05:02.51 | peej | jim : it is actually a rock solid machine without snort and ipfm. I get "dirty entry" messages on eth1 when it switches to promiscuous mode. |
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| 05:03.16 | mtnman | fusquanto: another option would be to specify the window manager in .xsession. |
| 05:03.21 | llama32 | how can i count the lines in every text file in a directory (and directories inside that)? im guess its find blahblahblah > some other tool? |
| 05:03.27 | buu | Is there some sort of 'dictionary' type package in debian? Not just a word list, but words and their types of speech and such? |
| 05:03.50 | fusQuanto | thats what i was looking for, i dotn even have an .xsession |
| 05:03.53 | fusQuanto | brb |
| 05:04.01 | jim | BlackJudas: the not-recommended way: make your keys with blank passphrases... the recommended way: use a passphrase, and later use ssh-add |
| 05:04.13 | fusQuanto | mwilson: but you werent even gonna help me with how to fix the problem... oh well too late now |
| 05:04.15 | fusQuanto | brb |
| 05:04.28 | mwilson | I wasn't? Who says? |
| 05:04.40 | mwilson | He got a solution he apparently liked, I dropped out. |
| 05:04.44 | BlackJudas | jim... i've done it before I just don't remember how ... it was a key i added to some file to both server and client |
| 05:04.57 | jim | BlackJudas, and ssh-agent if you're not running x (debian x wraps an ssh-agent around the x server once you log in) |
| 05:05.26 | mwilson | BlackJudas: Are you trying to enable them, to force them, or to Do them? |
| 05:05.36 | jim | oh, right... you have to copy the public key to the remote |
| 05:05.58 | BlackJudas | mwilson, i'm trying to enable them... ie i want to ssh to a server and have it skip the password 'cuz the key matches |
| 05:06.17 | BlackJudas | jim, yeah, i just don't remember the exact steps :) |
| 05:06.26 | llama32 | how do i count lines in files? say ive got a list of ten files... its ok if it counts seperately or all files at once... |
| 05:06.28 | jim | those are the overall ones |
| 05:06.34 | mwilson | BlackJudas: Then you're in luck, because they are by default. Just move your key around. |
| 05:06.37 | jim | probably not in order |
| 05:07.01 | BlackJudas | mwilson, yep, heh I just don't remember _how_ |
| 05:07.08 | mtnman | llama32: um, have you looked at wc? |
| 05:07.13 | peterS | BlackJudas: generate your key with 'ssh-keygen'. then append the *.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. and set up ~/.ssh/config to use that key for that server, on the client |
| 05:07.29 | jim | BlackJudas: locate your public and private keys |
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| 05:07.34 | peterS | BlackJudas: also, use ~/.ssh/config on the client to force protocol 1 or 2, whichever matches the key type you created |
| 05:07.41 | peej | jim : also I ended up using an older 2.2.18 code for the viarhine in the 2.2.26 kernel - else I could not get the gatewaying to work. I'm not so bothered about fixing it, because I don't need to touch the machine nowaday, but I am curious as what the possible problem may be - network code? hardware screwy? electrical spike in ethernet wire? |
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| 05:08.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell BlackJudas about ssh without password |
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| 05:08.23 | mwilson | oooh, i can actually see my desk. Can my heart stand the strain. :) |
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| 05:09.06 | jim | peej: you're essentially closer to the machine than I am... well, you know where it is, I don't... so I can only guess... you've done so, and the guesses look ok to me (ymmv of course)] |
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| 05:10.45 | fusQuanto | mtnman: ok adding "wmaker" to .xsession worked but that other way didnt |
| 05:10.45 | mwilson | fusQuanto: It only does under narrow circumstances. |
| 05:10.46 | fusQuanto | o |
| 05:10.46 | BlackJudas | peterS, thanks! |
| 05:10.47 | nichos | has anyone got webdav to work with debian and ical/sunbird? I have webdav up, but i cant connect any calendars to the machine. Nothing is printing in the apache-ssl logs |
| 05:10.47 | BlackJudas | dondelelcaro, excellent! |
| 05:10.53 | mwilson | nichos: Sure. Then I took it out again. |
| 05:11.20 | mtnman | hi don |
| 05:12.04 | peterS | dondelelcaro: 'ssh without passwd' should be updated to tell people how to use protocol 2. doing so now.. |
| 05:12.05 | mwilson | fusQuanto: As for whether I was going to help you or not... you had an answer you approved of. I dropped out. |
| 05:12.05 | nichos | mwilson ? you took webdav off? howcome? |
| 05:12.05 | mwilson | nichos: Didn't need it. |
| 05:12.05 | dondelelcaro | peterS: eh? |
| 05:12.09 | nichos | ah well - any idea about my problem? What cal. were you connecting with? |
| 05:12.15 | mwilson | nichos: There's only ME, and my calendar is on my laptop, and my laptop is with me. |
| 05:12.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it mentions identity.pub which is the default protocol 1 key name |
| 05:12.24 | fusQuanto | mwilson: lol i had no alternative |
| 05:12.40 | mtnman | mwilson: in the time i suggested two alternatives, you only berated the two of us. |
| 05:12.48 | nichos | mwilson theres only ME too, but theres me at work (no laptop) and me out and about locally, (no laptop) |
| 05:13.03 | mwilson | mtnman: I didn't berate either one of you. |
| 05:13.08 | mtnman | mwilson: in spite of the fact that you know much more about debian than i do. |
| 05:13.12 | mtnman | mwilson: yes you did. |
| 05:13.17 | nichos | i can connect to my server locally |
| 05:13.17 | mwilson | mtnman: I asked you *nicely* to please not mention the alternative. |
| 05:13.17 | nichos | like using firefox |
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| 05:13.40 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.45 | dondelelcaro | peterS: all that really matters is the key that is actually in the file. |
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| 05:14.08 | nichos | mwilson ive read doc after doc - does the cal. program create the ics file if it doesnt exist? |
| 05:14.15 | mwilson | nichos: Yes. |
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| 05:14.25 | nichos | mwilson hmmm - then im having other issues |
| 05:14.25 | llama32 | thanks mtnman (about the wc thing) mision accomplished :D |
| 05:14.30 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, it also matters whether the ssh connection negotiates the same protocol level as the key |
| 05:14.38 | mtnman | llama32: you are most welcome. |
| 05:14.41 | mwilson | nichos: It's really not at all difficult once you get the permissions set correctly. You have to be able to write to the DAV share. |
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| 05:14.57 | mwilson | nichos: That was the only thing that bit me. |
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| 05:15.42 | mwilson | nichos: If you're out and about, how are you going to access the shared calendar without a laptop or equiv? |
| 05:15.45 | nichos | mwilson it seems like it would be a permission error, so i log into my machine as www-data, and i can 'touch foo' |
| 05:15.55 | nichos | mwilson but nothing is getting reporting in the logs, which is weird |
| 05:16.06 | nichos | mwilson friends machine |
| 05:16.07 | mwilson | Oh, no, you have to set passwords and everything. |
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| 05:16.18 | mwilson | Now you're going to make me dig out my notes on how this works. |
| 05:16.35 | mtnman | mwilson: no one is making you do anything. |
| 05:16.36 | mwilson | I used a RH reference and modified it appropriately. |
| 05:16.44 | nichos | mwilson yep:) Even if i don't use it, its pissing me off, and may be nothing more than a challenge |
| 05:16.47 | PF_ | hahaha |
| 05:17.05 | nichos | mwilson http://www.twilight-systems.com/flacco/mozcal/mozcal-webdav-apache2-rh9.html ? |
| 05:17.07 | nichos | thats what i was doing |
| 05:17.09 | peterS | dondelelcaro: indeed. I have separate IdentityFile lines for lots of hosts, in ~/.ssh/config |
| 05:17.18 | mwilson | yeah, that was the one. |
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| 05:17.40 | mwilson | But I didn't use Apache2, or SSL. It was just an exercise. |
| 05:17.55 | nichos | yeah, i must be missing something, and the damn ical error is "could not be published, there was an unknown network error (-3001)" real hellpful |
| 05:18.05 | mwilson | That means you don't have permissions. |
| 05:18.05 | nichos | im using apache 1.3, with ssl |
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| 05:18.17 | mwilson | I think. |
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| 05:18.19 | nichos | mwilson wouldnt that be reported in the logs? |
| 05:18.37 | nichos | and if im logged in as www-data and can "touch foo" perms should be good? yes? |
| 05:18.51 | mwilson | nichos: Don't ask me what Apache will and won't log... I'm no web server guru and don't claim to be one. |
| 05:19.03 | mwilson | nichos: You're not connecting to the DAV share as www-data. |
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| 05:19.47 | mwilson | Does the test work? If you put a file in the DAV share, can you authenticate and read it with the browser? |
| 05:19.50 | slappy11 | newb question. i copied a good /var/backup/dpkg.status.* file to /var/lib/dpkg/status and i still get , " dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support " ? all suggestions appreciated.. |
| 05:19.54 | nichos | right, but apache passes the connection through |
| 05:20.36 | nichos | good question...(checks...) |
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| 05:22.17 | mwilson | Huh, mine still works. |
| 05:22.22 | mwilson | I thought I'd shot it. |
| 05:22.42 | mwilson | I made mine all /var/webdav/<username> |
| 05:23.04 | mwilson | But they're www-data:www-data, yes. |
| 05:23.27 | mtnman | slappy11: putting a question mark at the end of a statment doesn't make it a question. rephrase as a concise question for the best response. |
| 05:23.27 | nichos | im getting a 404 |
| 05:23.46 | mwilson | You get prompted for the authentication? |
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| 05:24.13 | nichos | no, i wasnt |
| 05:24.20 | mwilson | That's your first problem. |
| 05:24.25 | mwilson | --> http://mailhost/webdav/mwilson/test.txt |
| 05:24.38 | mwilson | I get asked for name and password. |
| 05:25.06 | nichos | i do via the browser, but not via sunbirdr |
| 05:25.22 | mwilson | You can read the test file with the browser? |
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| 05:26.02 | nichos | yep |
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| 05:26.55 | PF_ | mtnman: I know more than Mike Wilson |
| 05:27.10 | mtnman | pf_: good for you! |
| 05:27.15 | nichos | im going to give it a try w/out ssl, though i cant imaging ical, and sunbird dont do ssl |
| 05:27.16 | mwilson | nichos: Then your problem is sunbird. |
| 05:27.47 | PF_ | mtnman: Damn skimppy ! |
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| 05:28.29 | nichos | and ical? i find that hard to believe |
| 05:28.29 | mwilson | nichos: You have to give the COMPLETE path to the calendar, including the filename. |
| 05:28.38 | mtnman | pf_: you lost me.... |
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| 05:28.54 | mwilson | Not just the path to the DAV share. |
| 05:29.01 | mwilson | Hm, mine still works with calendar |
| 05:29.07 | mwilson | bbiaf |
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| 05:29.25 | PF_ | mtnman: It was a phrase from a movie....passenger 51, I blieve |
| 05:29.30 | nichos | k thanks |
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| 05:32.39 | wnaLinux | hi |
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| 05:34.20 | user____ | hrm.. anyone has problems runing gdb? i get Program exited with code 0120. Error while running hook_stop: Invalid type combination in ordering comparison. Everytime i try to disasms somehting with gdb :( |
| 05:34.42 | cef | sunbird will do webdav.. you just specify the path and when it accesses it, it'll ask you the user/password |
| 05:34.43 | bob2 | are you using gcc 4.0? |
| 05:34.53 | cef | it's just a pain in the rear |
| 05:35.01 | user____ | bob2 gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
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| 05:39.10 | mwilson | nichos: Figure it out? |
| 05:39.12 | nichos | mwilson think im close, getting access forbidden error since i switched OFF of the SSL server |
| 05:39.14 | fusQuanto | ever since i reinstalled debian, my internet has not been the same. resolving IP's takes along long time, adn browsign is just overall very slow. just to test i got another NIC and it is just as slow. there are slower machines on my lan sharing hte same inet that loadup much faster (two winboxes) what gives? what can i do? im running debian unstable 2.6 kernel |
| 05:39.16 | nichos | someone wants to steal my work sched. let 'em;) |
| 05:39.35 | mwilson | nichos: Are you giving calendar a file name? |
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| 05:39.53 | nichos | mwilson no, im trying to publish it right now |
| 05:40.14 | mwilson | No, you have to give it a filename when you publish it. |
| 05:41.20 | nichos | mwilson yeah, same error |
| 05:41.45 | michal_d | is there any way to have adduser run makemaildir Maildir in the users home directory when a new user is added? |
| 05:42.09 | michal_d | I had a look in /etc/adduser.conf but didn't see anything about such a capability |
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| 05:42.53 | mwilson | nichos: Dunno, maybe you have read but not write permissions. |
| 05:43.06 | jond3rd | michal_: just create Maildir in /etc/skel |
| 05:43.11 | nichos | mwilson as www-data i can mkdir and stuff - atleast its showing up in the logs now |
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| 05:43.36 | michal_d | jond3rd.. hmm.. didn't consider that.. thanks |
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| 05:45.40 | belracu | does Linphone support video streaming ? |
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| 05:46.07 | mwilson | Huh, evolution will only use that damned webcal:// syntax crap |
| 05:46.25 | nichos | im not please w/evolution at all |
| 05:46.35 | gpm | why would anyone use evolution? |
| 05:46.50 | gpm | for mail gui's, i'd much rather use mozillamail/thunderbird |
| 05:46.55 | mwilson | gpm: Because it's another application that supposedly supports this standard, so it's a decent test. |
| 05:47.03 | pw | gpm: that's a foolish question. |
| 05:47.16 | gpm | pw: i honestly didn't intend for it to be one. |
| 05:47.28 | mwilson | As far as comparing it to thundercrap, it's so far beyond thundercrap... |
| 05:47.28 | mwilson | As in it actually works correctly. |
| 05:47.35 | pw | gpm: Evolution is the best IMAP mail client, full stop. <-- one reason right there. |
| 05:47.36 | gpm | mwilson: huh? |
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| 05:48.05 | mwilson | pw: Nah, Mozilla Mail is. |
| 05:48.59 | gpm | pw: meh, it's too bloated for me to care. i prefer thundercrap |
| 05:49.00 | mwilson | Thundercrap is everything that's wrong with a GTK application. |
| 05:49.00 | gpm | mwilson: yeah, i should've scrolled up before joining the conversation, my mistake. |
| 05:49.00 | mwilson | Hell, you can watch the winddows repaint. |
| 05:49.17 | pw | Thunderbird is a reasonable basic newsreader, however. |
| 05:49.31 | pw | But for proper news, you want Pan. |
| 05:49.42 | gpm | mwilson: still beats having weather, news, calendar in one |
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| 05:50.17 | mwilson | gpm: evocrap has those things, same as thundercrap. |
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| 05:50.39 | pw | mwilson: mutt 4 lyfe, right? |
| 05:50.54 | gpm | mwilson: no, my point is that thundercrap is better for NOT having news,weather,calendar in the same program as mail |
| 05:50.59 | mwilson | pw: Mutt is a horrid IMAP client, but it fits the way I work, otherwise. |
| 05:51.27 | mwilson | gpm: It's incredible how big thundercrap is, and yet the only thing it does is mail. |
| 05:51.30 | nichos | mwilson thanks for your help, but this just became tomorrows problem, not a big deal |
| 05:51.37 | gpm | mwilson: you've got a point there. |
| 05:51.43 | mwilson | nichos: You'll figure it out. |
| 05:51.59 | gpm | mwilson: but i like how its addressbook works though. :P |
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| 05:52.11 | mwilson | Its addressbook works? |
| 05:52.21 | nichos | mwilson yeah, its likely, and then do what you did, never use it, like my phpgroupware install:) |
| 05:52.21 | gpm | mwilson: in one way |
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| 05:52.55 | belracu | does Linphone support video streaming ? |
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| 05:53.19 | gpm | it's a little like gmail in that it automagically adds people once you send them an email, so next time you just type a few letters of their email and hit enter |
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| 05:53.39 | Steven_Young | hi all |
| 05:53.51 | gpm | hi |
| 05:54.13 | PF_ | Hi Steven......Aaahhh, whats a happening |
| 05:54.18 | llama32 | theres something seriously wrong with my aterm... when i move it around or resize, it picks a random background colour :| any ideas? it only started happening when i logged out and back in... |
| 05:54.18 | mwilson | if everyone I sent mail to ended up in the book, the book would be unmanageable. |
| 05:54.44 | llama32 | the bg colour is meant to be black, and i think it mostly goes blue |
| 05:55.10 | Steven_Young | everything is ok :) |
| 05:55.56 | gpm | mwilson: you are more social than me it seems |
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| 05:56.29 | llama32 | Steven_Young: is that your real name? use some imagination :) |
| 05:56.41 | fusQuanto | ever since i reinstalled debian, my internet has not been the same. resolving IP's takes along long time, adn browsign is just overall very slow. just to test i got another NIC and it is just as slow. there are slower machines on my lan sharing hte same inet that loadup much faster (two winboxes) what gives? what can i do? im running debian unstable 2.6 kernel |
| 05:57.13 | peterS | wait, -W warns about unused parameters? that's crap even in C |
| 05:57.25 | maher | fusQuanto: check you dns settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:57.30 | Steven_Young | llama32, no . ah... I'm chinese. :) |
| 05:57.33 | mwilson | You don't want to know about them? :) |
| 05:57.51 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: most likely your name resolution is screwed up. |
| 05:57.53 | fusQuanto | maher: its set to "search satx.rr.com; nameserver 192.168.0.1" |
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| 05:58.13 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: the nameserver is correct because thats what hte other boxes are set to... but what is that search line? |
| 05:58.23 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: how quickly does ping $(hostname); return? |
| 05:58.24 | maher | fusQuanto: find out what nameserver you should really be using |
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| 05:59.55 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: quickly enough... one after hte other spitting out |
| 05:59.55 | ncp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.55 | fusQuanto | maher: do you mean from my isp? the 192.168.0.1 is my router... should i put the isp oen there |
| 06:00.50 | maher | fusQuanto: try that and see if its faster |
| 06:01.11 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: you can see how logn it takes by going to my page, www.shahidmalik.net |
| 06:01.27 | maher | fusQuanto: the dhcp info on the router should have the addresses of your isp's dns servers |
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| 06:02.27 | fusQuanto | maher: yah im looking it just says get automatically from ISP, or "use these" but it doesnt tell me what htey are :( |
| 06:03.09 | fusQuanto | maher: but my winboxes are quick with the routers address... my previous install of debian was fine too... i reinstalled after HD crashes |
| 06:03.23 | maher | fusQuanto: most routers have that info somewhere - if the router really won't tell you pluf the linux box directly into the net connection |
| 06:03.54 | maher | fusQuanto: in theory the router should probably act as a dns proxy server - but it doesn't seem to be working for you |
| 06:03.56 | fusQuanto | k ill do that real quick brb |
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| 06:04.23 | Lanani | Was anyone of you able to get the Live Linux CD of Debian (knoppix) word with QEMU please? |
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| 06:06.24 | tuxmaster | hi all |
| 06:06.32 | tuxmaster | what is the debian way to configure the network |
| 06:07.16 | jond3rd | man interfaces |
| 06:07.38 | maher | tuxmaster: or use etherconf |
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| 06:07.45 | fusQuanto- | wow this is so much faster |
| 06:07.45 | fusQuanto- | but it doesnt make sense, maher |
| 06:07.45 | fusQuanto- | cuz why are my winboxes just as fast |
| 06:07.45 | fusQuanto- | maher: just as fast thru the router |
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| 06:07.45 | fusQuanto- | maher: while only hte linux one is slow. now that hte linux one is straight into the modem, it is fasttt |
| 06:08.21 | maher | fusQuanto: who knows - maybe the windows boxes are better at using the real dns server, or better at talking to the router |
| 06:08.34 | tuxmaster | maher etherconf does not work |
| 06:08.42 | tuxmaster | just upgraded my kernel |
| 06:08.43 | maher | fusQuanto: look in resolv.conf - does it list the dns servers? |
| 06:08.48 | maher | tuxmaster: install it |
| 06:09.18 | tuxmaster | can not install it |
| 06:09.23 | tuxmaster | no inernet to install from |
| 06:10.20 | maher | tuxmaster: edit /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 06:10.50 | mud | i need to add some options to bt878 module to get my tv card to work (kernel2.6.10) where do i add? |
| 06:10.53 | tuxmaster | ok htanks |
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| 06:11.28 | LandSlide | if i'm ssh'd into a client and i want to run an application on it's display... my box currently says somethign about Invalid XPM_AUTHENTICATION... how can i rectify this? |
| 06:11.30 | fusQuanto- | maher: so what should i do? keep the resolv.conf the way it is? doesnt it autochange when i put it back itno the router? |
| 06:11.33 | fusQuanto- | yes it does, maher |
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| 06:11.36 | fusQuanto- | maher: ? |
| 06:12.16 | bykte | how do i multi kill process at one go? |
| 06:12.26 | maher | fusQuanto: remember what the right dns servers are and manually add them to resolv.conf |
| 06:13.34 | fusQuanto- | maher: ok do i have to re-pump after adding them? and wont that autochange them to 192.168.0.1? |
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| 06:13.43 | jm_ | I thought lilo is from Europe - ohh wait, he's from that isolated island up north :D |
| 06:13.46 | jond3rd | fusQuanto: if your nic is configured or dhcp, then yes resolv.conf will change when the network start/restart |
| 06:14.14 | bykte | how do i multi kill process at one go? |
| 06:15.03 | LakersFan | you mean like 'kill pid1 pid2 pid3' |
| 06:15.04 | LakersFan | ? |
| 06:16.13 | bykte | no.. |
| 06:16.54 | bykte | erm like there are multiple instances of the same process running |
| 06:16.54 | LakersFan | killall |
| 06:16.54 | LakersFan | killall bitchx |
| 06:16.54 | LakersFan | for instance |
| 06:16.54 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 06:17.29 | bykte | ok |
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| 06:17.55 | JohnnyST | I am trying to find out what PasswordAuthentication yes in the sshd configuration is about? is it dangerous to put it to yes? I have an application that needs that. |
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| 06:27.01 | llama32 | what was with thyat? |
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| 06:27.53 | dondelelcaro | llama32: netsplit |
| 06:27.56 | furrywolf | "IT industries should regulate the chat rooms and the transmission of harmful pictures and video should be banned." one day, someone is going to start shooting these relgious nutjobs, and I'm going to cheer them on... "harmful pictures", eh? "my daughter saw a nipple on TV and now she's going to grow up corrupt and immoral!"... |
| 06:28.02 | llama32 | anyone know of a good tut on sockets? i cant seem to get them working |
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| 06:28.19 | jm_ | llama32: info libc has basic examples |
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| 06:28.21 | Brill | hi people |
| 06:28.22 | dondelelcaro | llama32: what specifically about them? |
| 06:28.25 | LakersFan | hello |
| 06:28.36 | Brill | hi everybody |
| 06:28.40 | LakersFan | hello |
| 06:28.45 | paster | "jasz" at 68.223.6.13 pasted "Help with X and three devices (1st one is onboard)" (150 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/33 |
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| 06:28.58 | Brill | t |
| 06:29.18 | llama32 | dondelelcaro: anything... i need to know how to get basic use of them |
| 06:29.25 | fusQuanto | in windowmaker, the XTerm dockapp by default can only be clicked once, then it is greyed out. how do i make it so i can click on it over and over again , adn thus open more and more shells? |
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| 06:29.48 | Brill | k |
| 06:30.06 | furrywolf | jasz: that config looks ok... what isn't working? |
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| 06:30.09 | dondelelcaro | llama32: besides info libc6; socket(2) also has some basic information. |
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| 06:30.48 | furrywolf | jasz: that config looks ok... what isn't working? |
| 06:30.48 | Gothic17 | someone wants to talk?? |
| 06:30.56 | dondelelcaro | Gothic17: ? |
| 06:31.00 | furrywolf | (repeat on assumption jasz missed it) |
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| 06:31.23 | michal_d | i need to (ordered by boss) install some web based thing to add and remove users (via adduser).. is there anything that does just that and doesn't include a kitchen sink packaged for debian? |
| 06:31.44 | michal_d | i was hoping to avoid webmin |
| 06:31.46 | Gothic17 | yes? |
| 06:31.49 | torc | what is the difference between businesscard and netinst image? |
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| 06:31.59 | dondelelcaro | torc: the size and the packages that they ahve. |
| 06:32.02 | llama32 | i think i have socket working, i just cant get connect working (and i dont really understand what it does - hence why i want a tut) |
| 06:32.04 | maher | michal_d: install a java ssh client :) |
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| 06:32.19 | torc | dondelelcaro: so, its like an extended netinst, a one-cd set? |
| 06:32.22 | peterS | torc: the businesscard is smaller. it doesn't include the whole debian base system, it downloads a lot of it at install time |
| 06:32.26 | michal_d | maher: no that won't do. |
| 06:32.47 | jasz1 | ok, i need some help configuring X with 3 video cards (and 3 monitors) .. the 1st card is an onboard one and works properly (the chip is a S3 ProSavage PCI:1:0:0) .. the 2nd one is an ATI 3D Rage (this is the one that does not work PCI: 0:8:0) .. and the third one is a S3 Trio64 (also works fine) .. does anyone know what could be wrong with my config? http://channels.debian.net/paste/33 |
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| 06:33.09 | torc | thanks peterS, dondelelcaro. |
| 06:33.10 | peterS | torc: basically, the businesscard includes everything needed for the initial bootstrap. but not everything installed by the base system after the first reboot. the netinst has both of the above |
| 06:33.15 | peterS | torc: ...I think |
| 06:33.17 | maher | michal_d: the only thing i know of ofhand is webmin - you can probably configure it so onlt the adduser module works |
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| 06:33.26 | michal_d | hmm.. will try that then |
| 06:33.28 | doublehp | where are the prebuild snapshots of Xorg (those including DRM ) ? |
| 06:33.44 | peterS | doublehp: from ubuntu, is probably your best bet |
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| 06:33.53 | cat | is there anyway i can download emacs? |
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| 06:34.24 | jm_ | llama32: info libc, search for socket, read all of it |
| 06:34.29 | furrywolf | jasz: random guess would be the busid of 1:0:1 should be 0:8:0 |
| 06:34.30 | maher | cat: apt-get install emacs? |
| 06:34.35 | dondelelcaro | michal_d: best method is to be able to add them straight from the shell, because its more secure and easier to do auditing |
| 06:34.35 | Crasp | cat: apt-get install emacs |
| 06:34.38 | Crasp | damnit |
| 06:34.42 | Brill | lol |
| 06:34.42 | doublehp | peterS: no .. I am looking for those of Xorg site ... |
| 06:34.56 | jasz1 | furrywolf, ... already tried that :( ... |
| 06:34.58 | peterS | doublehp: oh, dunno if debian packages are distributed by x.org directly |
| 06:34.59 | cat | Package emacs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:34.59 | cat | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 06:35.02 | dondelelcaro | michal_d: but baring that, webmin or a custom app may be the easy method |
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| 06:35.05 | michal_d | dondelelcaro: that may be true.. but it's not a method my boss will accept |
| 06:35.09 | Crasp | cat: apt-cache search emacs |
| 06:35.10 | furrywolf | jasz: try deleting the busid line from the ATI card and try again |
| 06:35.11 | dondelelcaro | cat: packages Provides: emacs |
| 06:35.21 | michal_d | i know there are perl libs for adduser type stuff |
| 06:35.23 | furrywolf | since it's the only ati card, the driver should find it without help |
| 06:35.27 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, Provides: emacsen) |
| 06:35.32 | jasz1 | furrywolf, .. ok.. brb |
| 06:35.32 | michal_d | might be able to find something decent non-packaged when I have time later |
| 06:35.40 | michal_d | but for now I think I'll defer to webmin :/ |
| 06:35.42 | peterS | cat: if you actually want emacs, you want 'emacs21' or 'xemacs21-nomule' or similar |
| 06:35.56 | directhex | lspci -X gives busids in dfree86 format |
| 06:36.11 | dondelelcaro | michal_d: well, non-logical bosses are a big warning sign... may be time to get the resume circulating |
| 06:36.28 | cat | oh ok, |
| 06:36.29 | cat | thn |
| 06:36.29 | cat | x |
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| 06:36.48 | peterS | directhex: oh, interesting, I never noticed that option. you'd think 'lspci -X' would filter only things that were graphics cards (: |
| 06:37.02 | michal_d | dondelelcaro: nobody would hire me at the moment.. i can only woork some days of the week and I can give little warning about what those may be.. so stuck here for the moment.. and yes this is an AWFUL place to work :P |
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| 06:37.37 | Crasp | spam :/ |
| 06:37.39 | directhex | peterS, what if you want to use a sound card as a display device though? :o |
| 06:37.59 | peterS | directhex: I don't think text-to-speech synthesis is quite *that* easy |
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| 06:40.30 | directhex | peterS, you underestimate X.org! |
| 06:40.39 | peterS | directhex: hehe |
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| 06:41.38 | Brill | lol |
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| 06:45.00 | tuxmaster | updateing a kernel is fun |
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| 06:45.42 | Crasp | updating a kernel == work |
| 06:45.44 | Crasp | work != fun |
| 06:45.53 | furrywolf | updating a kernel = easy work |
| 06:45.54 | directhex | Crasp is right |
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| 06:46.27 | sobersabre | hey... can somebody help me with bind (named) ? |
| 06:46.32 | directhex | especially in cases where it's not a mere update, it's a question of crafting a new kernel, like a master blacksmith or sometrhing |
| 06:46.37 | peterS | sobersabre: maybe. what's the problem? |
| 06:46.42 | furrywolf | copy your old .config, run menuconfig if you want to change anything, make -j 13 (well, -j 13 with my distcc farm), wait 5 minutes,... |
| 06:47.02 | directhex | you assume what you're compiling is "known good" and not "known bad" |
| 06:47.07 | Crasp | lol |
| 06:47.08 | sobersabre | i have machines with 2 NICs. each nic in other DNS domain. |
| 06:47.16 | Crasp | you have a farm and still have to wait for 5 minutes? :) |
| 06:47.18 | directhex | i.e. most 2.6 kernels have modules which don't compile |
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| 06:47.41 | raghu | Gumby: u there? |
| 06:47.41 | furrywolf | crasp: my main box is a dual p3-866. the other two in the "farm" are a dual p3-800 and a p3-733.... |
| 06:47.47 | sobersabre | one of them is internal and the other external |
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| 06:48.03 | furrywolf | not the world's fastest boxes |
| 06:48.08 | sobersabre | the internal domain is maintained by me. external... out of my reach. |
| 06:48.08 | Crasp | you could replace them all with a single p4 or amd >2ghz :) |
| 06:48.21 | furrywolf | you want to buy me said machine? :P |
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| 06:48.37 | directhex | no, a 2ghz p4 wouldn't be faster than all of those |
| 06:48.44 | furrywolf | if I had spare cash, it would go to far more useful things... rent, the $200 past due phone bill,... |
| 06:48.56 | furrywolf | I only made $250 last month. I need a new job... |
| 06:48.58 | Crasp | well my amd 3000+ does it in at least the same time |
| 06:49.00 | sobersabre | what shall I write in resolv.conf to be able to resolve external addresses with ext. named, and internal with internal one... |
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| 06:49.25 | furrywolf | sobersabre: set up your copy of bind to use forwarders |
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| 06:49.47 | sobersabre | so i will have only 1 nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf on client machine ? |
| 06:49.49 | teun | I just upgraded postfix on my unstable box, and I'm seeing this error when restarting postfix: Apr 19 08:47:33 stardust postfix/master[28016]: fatal: setsockopt(IPV6_V6ONLY): Protocol not available |
| 06:49.57 | teun | anyone any idea what might cause this |
| 06:50.01 | furrywolf | sober: correct |
| 06:50.19 | maher | teun: did you check the bts |
| 06:50.20 | sobersabre | teun, you don't have ipv6 .... |
| 06:50.41 | sobersabre | and you're trying to use postfix on ipv6 |
| 06:50.42 | teun | sobersabre: i definately do |
| 06:50.56 | Crasp | perhaps it's the other way around |
| 06:51.01 | Crasp | you try to use ipv6 |
| 06:51.07 | Crasp | while postfix doesn't support it? |
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| 06:51.14 | Crasp | not sure about it tho :) |
| 06:51.24 | teun | postfix does, my box does |
| 06:51.48 | Crasp | well, something is not right :) |
| 06:51.55 | sobersabre | teun, look at /etc/protocols file... and see if it's changed lately... |
| 06:51.57 | teun | yeah i figured that out :) |
| 06:52.13 | teun | sobersabre: nope it hasn't |
| 06:52.53 | teun | bts has nothing relevant, google also |
| 06:53.04 | teun | time to ask people on the postfix mailinglist i guess |
| 06:54.08 | directhex | Crasp, i'm not convinced an amd 3000+ is a 2ghz pentium 4. i may be wrong, of course. |
| 06:54.22 | teun | thanks for the suggestions |
| 06:54.42 | to_ | somebody could explain me why, being behind a NAT router which doesn't make any port redirections, i allways observe some attacks on 33437 port(ICMP), with my local firewall? |
| 06:55.33 | sobersabre | maybe because somebody .. attacks you ... ? |
| 06:55.46 | peterS | to_: uh, ICMP doesn't use port numbers |
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| 06:56.24 | sobersabre | to_, what kind of attacks ? |
| 06:56.26 | jm_ | he probably means UDP, I have seen that too lately |
| 06:56.55 | to_ | not attacks but dropped 'packets' |
| 06:57.14 | sobersabre | teun, try to get latest source of postfix, compile and run it, and see if the problem persists. |
| 06:57.32 | maher | to_: what excatly do the logs say? |
| 06:57.42 | teun | sobersabre: the weird thing is: another unstable box running postfix works like a charm |
| 06:57.45 | teun | same versions, etc |
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| 06:58.47 | sobersabre | teun, can you see ipv6 address in ifconfig output of that interface you're binding to ? e.g. if localhost isn't setup to have an ipv6 addr. you'll fail to bind to local ipv6 port... |
| 06:59.10 | sobersabre | right ? |
| 06:59.13 | sobersabre | ;-) |
| 06:59.46 | teun | sobersabre: no probs there |
| 06:59.48 | to_ | in fireApr 19 07:34:54 localhost kernel: Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:50:8d:fb:65:6b:00:07:cb:15:00:aa:08:00 SRC=212.27.50.5 DST=192.168.0.2 LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=252 ID=29859 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=11 CODE=0 [SRC=192.168.0.2 DST=202.139.79.3 LEN=64 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=37819 PROTO=UDP SPT=37816 DPT=33437 LEN=44 ] |
| 07:00.23 | sobersabre | all the ifaces are with an ipv6 addr.. and you can ping etc. ? |
| 07:00.29 | teun | yups |
| 07:00.34 | maher | to_: icmp is pings and suchlike - most probably harmless |
| 07:00.36 | sobersabre | maybe iptables blocks it ... ? |
| 07:00.41 | teun | nope |
| 07:00.56 | sobersabre | teun, there must be something different. |
| 07:00.59 | teun | the weird thing is that it worked (also on ipv6) until i upgraded it |
| 07:01.06 | sobersabre | can you diff of sysctl -a of the 2 systems ? |
| 07:01.15 | sobersabre | teun, |
| 07:01.19 | sobersabre | ? |
| 07:01.32 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.46 | simonrvn | what daily build? |
| 07:01.49 | sobersabre | teun, can you ifdown->ifup or even ... reboot ? |
| 07:01.57 | teun | i'm actually considering that |
| 07:02.09 | teun | *sigh* |
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| 07:02.19 | sobersabre | teun, i am keeping this to the last stage too usually. |
| 07:02.40 | teun | thank god it's not a production box, just my private |
| 07:02.49 | streuner | daily build? |
| 07:03.04 | sobersabre | i guess on a production box you'd not have sid |
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| 07:03.12 | teun | nope |
| 07:03.18 | teun | mostly stable, some testing |
| 07:03.27 | jm_ | to_: ahh that's not the same I've been seeing, that's an ICMP destination unreachable |
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| 07:03.55 | doublehp | simonrvn: those from CVS, patched with DRI .... |
| 07:04.11 | mwilson | doublehp: Where did you get the idea that Debian was doing anything like that? |
| 07:04.14 | tarzeau | anyone else got ubuntu cds that he didn't order? |
| 07:04.15 | simonrvn | doublehp: and a) why are you asking here? b) why would we know? |
| 07:04.16 | to_ | jm_: sorry?.. |
| 07:04.31 | tarzeau | (old versions even!) |
| 07:04.32 | mwilson | tarzeau: You must have... how would they have your address otherwise? |
| 07:04.43 | tarzeau | mwilson: from a public lug page? |
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| 07:04.54 | doublehp | mwilson: I did not expect DEbian to provide any ... |
| 07:04.56 | tarzeau | mwilson: other lug presidents in my country also received them, without ordering |
| 07:05.10 | stew | doublehp: #xorg |
| 07:05.11 | doublehp | simonrvn: some one has to know ... maybe this guy is around here now .... |
| 07:05.21 | mwilson | tarzeau: Wow, I didn't think it was possible for my opinion of Ubuntu to go any lower... |
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| 07:05.31 | tarzeau | mwilson: cheap, eh? |
| 07:05.36 | simonrvn | didn't bother actually asking the right channel... |
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| 07:05.45 | tarzeau | mwilson: they probably pressed too much cds |
| 07:06.04 | mwilson | Spamming Cd's, huh? |
| 07:06.05 | deadcat | simonrvn: my kernel problem is fix. the tree was own by a regular user thats why it failed. |
| 07:06.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:06.20 | tarzeau | mwilson: anyways i tried it (because they all say it's so cool, in those reviews), and on a damn fast computer it was slow as hell, had almost no software, and was missing essential most important software! |
| 07:06.27 | furrywolf | now here's an X question... I want to display the same thing that's on one screen, scaled down, on another screen. :) |
| 07:06.32 | tarzeau | mwilson: complain where? |
| 07:06.40 | simonrvn | tarzeau: like vim |
| 07:06.51 | mwilson | tarzeau: Ubuntoobie fora, maybe. |
| 07:06.59 | tarzeau | simonrvn: like nethack, jumpnbump and gnustep software and GCC!!! (didn't check for zsh) |
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| 07:07.09 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:07.20 | jm_ | to_: it's not destination unreachable but TTL exceeded, look here http://www.cymru.com/Documents/icmp-messages.html |
| 07:07.22 | doublehp | stew: they dont know .... |
| 07:07.25 | simonrvn | ubuntubie? |
| 07:07.35 | streuner | haha |
| 07:07.37 | tarzeau | simonrvn: btw i've got a damn good game of nethack running (entered the valley of the dead yesterday): www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/welcome.txt |
| 07:07.50 | mwilson | Supposedly Ubuntu is so great, but they have to spam LUGs with CD's? |
| 07:07.50 | simonrvn | nice |
| 07:08.03 | streuner | great |
| 07:08.04 | jm_ | I forgot that Seifried has type and code mixed, so you always get a wrong one when looking at his list |
| 07:08.32 | doublehp | simonrvn: mwilson http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ |
| 07:08.51 | simonrvn | doublehp: tell someone who cares, ok? thanks |
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| 07:09.35 | simonrvn | oh yummy, rotting flesh. ... |
| 07:09.53 | jm_ | furrywolf: xtv, but it doesn't do scaling |
| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | deadcat: and why do you compile your kernel as root, if i may ask? |
| 07:10.58 | streuner | simonrvn: that even sound better to me vs. installing ubuntu packages? ;-) |
| 07:11.21 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 07:11.54 | streuner | what would you prefer cvs binaries or ubuntu packages if you need xorg? |
| 07:12.22 | simonrvn | i've done both, admittedly. using debian's xfree now |
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| 07:13.36 | furrywolf | jm_ scaling shouldn't be too hard to hack in... I want to get an old, crappy, 640x480 wacom lcd tablet (since they cost 1/50th a new one), and use it for input, with the main display being my monitor, and a crap-quality image on the tablet just to get my hand in the right place. :) |
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| 07:14.16 | simonrvn | though i had to compile the cvs myself.... |
| 07:14.44 | fjgh | how do i transfer the look-and-feel of root over to an ordinary user? |
| 07:14.53 | fusQuanto | heh |
| 07:15.01 | furrywolf | lol |
| 07:15.04 | simonrvn | first time was out of curiosity, second time was out of necessity (or i thought so at the time, turned out to be something else) |
| 07:15.05 | deadcat | sym link |
| 07:15.07 | Guerin | fjgh: root doesn't have a look and feel |
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| 07:15.15 | simonrvn | fjgh: wtf |
| 07:15.16 | maher | fjgh: change the bash prompt to #? |
| 07:15.27 | Guerin | unless, by 'look and feel' you mean 'grey text on a black background' |
| 07:15.30 | torc | does debian/sparc have native java? |
| 07:15.46 | furrywolf | fjgh: export PS1='# ' :P |
| 07:15.51 | fjgh | look-and-feel means the colors and the fonts |
| 07:15.52 | maher | torc: if kaffe / gcj count - use java-package... |
| 07:16.01 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 07:16.10 | fjgh | shat's wtf |
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| 07:16.25 | maher | torc: ignore that - no idea about sparc support |
| 07:16.30 | Guerin | fjgh: root's default look-and-feel in debian is grey text on black. |
| 07:16.41 | deadcat | export PS1='\$ ' |
| 07:16.46 | deadcat | oh nevermind |
| 07:16.55 | Guerin | fjgh: much like any other user, with one small detail, as maher pointed out |
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| 07:17.00 | streuner | simonrvn: How did it take? |
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| 07:17.04 | furrywolf | simon: if you had a bofh hat on, you'd tell him about the Record Meta-Feel command, rm -f, to set the look and feel. :) |
| 07:17.06 | fjgh | as root, i have set up a look-and-feel and i want it to be the same for non-root. |
| 07:17.12 | sunrise | hi all; where are archived bugs to find ? |
| 07:17.13 | simonrvn | streuner: worked ok. |
| 07:17.22 | streuner | simonrvn: How many hours? |
| 07:17.33 | simonrvn | hours of what? |
| 07:17.42 | Guerin | fjgh: why did you set ANYTHING up in X as root? Do you run linspire? |
| 07:17.42 | streuner | simonrvn: compiling |
| 07:17.55 | Guerin | sunrise: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:18.01 | simonrvn | about 4, give or take |
| 07:18.11 | simonrvn | probably more... |
| 07:18.35 | simonrvn | linspire doesn't do the root thing anymore. they grew a bit of clue |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin | they don't? |
| 07:18.47 | Guerin | I believe they do, as of 5 |
| 07:19.05 | Guerin | sachin: don't message me; ask the channel. |
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| 07:19.20 | fjgh | guerin: u mean i can't choose a look-and-feel is i am root? |
| 07:19.21 | simonrvn | hm, i could be wrong (frequently am ;p) |
| 07:19.23 | jm_ | torc: even Sun doesn't seem to have Java for Sparc Linux |
| 07:19.25 | streuner | !tell sachin about msg |
| 07:19.45 | Guerin | fjgh: you should never run x applications as root. |
| 07:19.51 | simonrvn | fjgh: you never even gave a a) context b) valid reason for this "look-and-feel" crap |
| 07:20.16 | furrywolf | bbl... tired wolfy needs sleep |
| 07:20.20 | Thanatermesis | any person from #SF ? |
| 07:20.21 | torc | jm_: i see. dont feel like running solaris on that box ;) |
| 07:20.25 | deadcat | what the hell is he trying to do? look at feel. what the fuck |
| 07:20.27 | simonrvn | c) ever even question the wisdom of this dumb idea |
| 07:20.38 | simonrvn | must be smoking crack |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin | fjgh: also, look-and-feel is application, environment and toolkit-specific - are you using kde, gnome, or what the fuck? |
| 07:20.51 | sachin | umm could sum1 tell me how to install abi or antiword ?? i typed apt-get install abiword but it said pakage not found, wat am i doing wrong ? |
| 07:20.54 | fjgh | look, i run kde. it comes with color, font type, font size. i don't like them, i change them, worng? |
| 07:21.07 | Guerin | sachin: apt-cache search |
| 07:21.09 | deadcat | fjgh: then just copy the .kde dir |
| 07:21.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:21.29 | Guerin | the .kde dir will be owned by root, iinm |
| 07:21.32 | fjgh | cp to where? |
| 07:21.38 | Guerin | fjgh: ~ |
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| 07:21.49 | simonrvn | if you have to ask, you shouldn't even be considering this |
| 07:21.50 | deadcat | fjgh: the regular user's account. then chown -R on it |
| 07:22.03 | jm_ | I wouldn't do that |
| 07:22.10 | deadcat | fjgh: ya. asking to put where is just plain DUMB |
| 07:22.11 | Guerin | i wouldn't either |
| 07:22.16 | jm_ | fjgh: maybe first try by renaming your .kde dir and see if it's OK |
| 07:22.18 | fjgh | can't cp a dir to an account, got to be dir of the account. |
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| 07:22.30 | jm_ | s/by// |
| 07:22.37 | sachin | i typed apt-cache search and it says 'you must give xactly one pattern' ?? |
| 07:22.39 | Guerin | fjgh: just go set it up again as the user, and never log into kde as root again, ever, for any reason. |
| 07:22.48 | Guerin | sachin: so give a pattern |
| 07:22.49 | deadcat | fjgh: just dont do it. you are not qualify to use cp/mv |
| 07:23.21 | streuner | haha |
| 07:23.22 | simonrvn | furrywolf: agreed |
| 07:23.29 | sachin | eg. ? |
| 07:23.31 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 07:23.32 | Nwallins_ | any of the php4 maintainers around? |
| 07:23.42 | deadcat | Nwallins_: nope |
| 07:23.42 | streuner | deadcat: how are things? :-P |
| 07:23.58 | Guerin | fjgh: I don't mean to be hard on you... but dude, before doing things like this it's wise to get oriented with your OS. |
| 07:24.17 | deadcat | streuner: not bad. (=. had to stay up all night to do my essay which was due today. )=. 2hr sleep only |
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| 07:24.35 | streuner | deadcat: damn |
| 07:24.36 | fjgh | guerin: set it up all over again as user!? i don't have to be told to do that. i want a more efficeint way. |
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| 07:24.47 | Guerin | fjgh: copying the .kde from root's homedir to your user's may be unwise because it will have root-specific settings. |
| 07:24.52 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.54 | sachin | fair enuf, thx for that |
| 07:24.59 | Guerin | fjgh: the more efficient way would be to have done it right the first time |
| 07:25.07 | LandSlide | i've installed xdm and gdm (it's using gdm) but i don't get a selection for the windowmanager (it just defaults to gnome)... is there something i'm not installing? |
| 07:25.13 | deadcat | simonrvn: i am about to do that soon (= |
| 07:25.25 | fjgh | what is the right way the first time? |
| 07:25.29 | deadcat | LandSlide: cus you only have gnome? |
| 07:25.33 | Guerin | fjgh: you could ask #kde or #debian-kde if they know... |
| 07:25.38 | LandSlide | actually it's using xdm.. |
| 07:25.41 | LandSlide | nah i have kde and gnome. |
| 07:25.42 | Guerin | fgto have done it as user in the first place |
| 07:25.53 | LandSlide | i had kde installed first, then installed gnome, then installed gdm. |
| 07:25.54 | deadcat | LandSlide: /etc/X11/default-window-manager |
| 07:25.57 | LandSlide | but selected xdm. |
| 07:26.01 | fjgh | you don't know what you are talking about. |
| 07:26.02 | Guerin | fjgh: since root should never log into X |
| 07:26.06 | LandSlide | yeah but i want to select it at startup. |
| 07:26.10 | Guerin | fjgh: yes, I fucking well do. |
| 07:26.13 | fjgh | why not? |
| 07:26.15 | furrywolf | LOL! |
| 07:26.15 | deadcat | LandSlide: or i think you can just dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 07:26.21 | fjgh | how to do admin? |
| 07:26.25 | Guerin | fjgh: this pesky little thing called 'security' |
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| 07:26.53 | fjgh | you got to start off as root to set up users!! |
| 07:26.54 | deadcat | hehe. /ignore'ed his ass |
| 07:27.02 | Guerin | fjgh: from a root terminal or by using kdesu and the other tools provided which mean you can easily escalate privileges from user to root |
| 07:27.25 | fjgh | terminal when there is gui? |
| 07:27.30 | Guerin | fjgh: the install process sets up a user |
| 07:27.38 | Guerin | fjgh: yes. |
| 07:27.52 | alexrait1 | hello, I have debian kernel-image-2.6.11 installed on my sid. I can't hear sound but with the oss driver. To use Alsa I have to reconfigure it time after time, since after reboot my configuration disappears... what can I do? |
| 07:27.53 | fjgh | one has to know how to operate as admin. |
| 07:27.57 | Guerin | many aspects of unix admin can only be effectively and properly done from a terminal |
| 07:28.12 | PerfDave | fjgh: You clearly don't know how to operate as an admin ;) |
| 07:28.18 | Nwallins_ | fjgh: exactly. running X is not part of that |
| 07:28.19 | fjgh | bullshit |
| 07:28.26 | Guerin | fjgh: if you're unaware of this or don't believe it, I guess you're not qualified to operate as an admin |
| 07:28.40 | fjgh | i have been running it for years |
| 07:28.43 | deadcat | alexrait1: remove --purge all the alsa tools and reinstall it. i had to do that myself |
| 07:28.44 | simonrvn | i was just told the QOTD of: |
| 07:28.49 | Guerin | then why don't you KNOW |
| 07:28.54 | simonrvn | "<fjgh> you don't know what you are talking about." |
| 07:28.57 | PerfDave | fjgh: It's amazing that in all that time you never learned anything ;) |
| 07:29.05 | Guerin | !thomas_adam's theorem |
| 07:29.06 | dpkg | methinks thomas_adam's theorem is a debian user's uselessness is directly proportional to the probability that s/he will mention "I've been using debian for X years, but I still can't..." |
| 07:29.10 | fjgh | bullshit, you know nuts. |
| 07:29.24 | alexrait1 | deadcat, you mean alsautils, alsabase and alsa-headers? |
| 07:29.30 | furrywolf | anyone ever consider fjgh is just a troll, and should be kickbanned for it? |
| 07:29.31 | deadcat | alexrait1: ya |
| 07:29.41 | PerfDave | fjgh: You know, insulting people isn't going to get you any help ;) |
| 07:29.42 | Guerin | furrywolf: naw, I think he truly believes this shit |
| 07:29.47 | fjgh | fuckoff bye, |
| 07:29.51 | deadcat | furrywolf: no need. /ignore'ed already |
| 07:29.55 | simonrvn | t_a's theorem: addendum: "i still can't type my root pass without looking at my post-it notes" |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | word |
| 07:29.57 | PerfDave | \m/ I win |
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| 07:30.04 | Guerin | simonrvn: hehe |
| 07:30.18 | furrywolf | deadcat: awww... but kicking is so much more satisfying. :) |
| 07:30.35 | streuner | furrywolf: not in any case... |
| 07:30.45 | deadcat | furrywolf: ya... i agree on that. i dont want to taint my settings by using /ignore hehe |
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| 07:31.49 | simonrvn | dama is fjgh |
| 07:31.51 | Guerin | i don't ignore people, I make them ignore me |
| 07:32.02 | simonrvn | dama (hja123@bb219-74-19-72.singnet.com.sg) has joined #debian |
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| 07:32.09 | simonrvn | (hja123@bb219-74-19-72.singnet.com.sg): fjgh |
| 07:32.20 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Now, that's just lame ;) |
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| 07:32.27 | Guerin | !win simonrvn |
| 07:32.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 07:32.29 | simonrvn | didn't even bother changing IP nor username |
| 07:32.35 | furrywolf | still don't think he's a troll? :) |
| 07:32.39 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:32.45 | simonrvn | s/he is |
| 07:32.46 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Probably didn't know how to. |
| 07:32.49 | Guerin | if he was a troll he'd not have left |
| 07:32.51 | simonrvn | haha |
| 07:33.08 | simonrvn | Guerin: hmm, possible |
| 07:33.16 | streuner | Guerin: true |
| 07:33.16 | Thunder000 | does anyone know a good Help Desk Software (Open SOurce or low cost) that supports LDAP or AD authentication ? |
| 07:33.31 | PerfDave | Thunder000: "Help Desk Software"? |
| 07:33.34 | deadcat | PerfDave: bet he is running windows with vmware |
| 07:33.46 | PerfDave | Thunder000: Request Tracker might be configurable to run with LDAP authentication, but I haven't tried. |
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| 07:34.25 | simonrvn | Thunder000: there's a couple, i think the relevant horde app might, the others might too. you gotta look |
| 07:34.43 | Thunder000 | simonrvn: do you have a link ? |
| 07:34.53 | simonrvn | @tell Thunder000 -about search |
| 07:34.59 | PerfDave | Thunder000: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 07:35.50 | furrywolf | oh well. bbl. need sleep. :) |
| 07:35.58 | simonrvn | so do i |
| 07:36.07 | furrywolf | cyas simon |
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| 07:37.29 | Guerin | i need beer |
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| 07:37.49 | SlayerXP | !debiansolution guerin drink beer |
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| 07:38.01 | streuner | out* |
| 07:38.03 | SlayerXP | !ds guerin drink beer |
| 07:38.06 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 07:38.17 | Guerin | #debian solution isn't likely to be beer |
| 07:38.30 | streuner | vodka? |
| 07:38.31 | Guerin | more like watered down urine mixed with drool and a bit of bile |
| 07:38.42 | simonrvn | s/bit/lot/ |
| 07:39.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:39.32 | streuner | Guerin: you are a troll :-P |
| 07:39.45 | deadcat | streuner: HAHAHA |
| 07:39.56 | Guerin | streuner: i keep trying, but nobody realises |
| 07:40.00 | deadcat | i have it | xmessage -file - |
| 07:40.08 | Guerin | sometimes I just have to be blatant about it |
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| 07:41.49 | streuner | deadcat: Do you use termperatures in torsmo? |
| 07:42.19 | deadcat | streuner: nah. |
| 07:42.25 | streuner | hm |
| 07:43.10 | streuner | deadcat: why not? |
| 07:43.47 | streuner | deadcat: its pretty important what temperatures you have on your mobo or CPU? |
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| 07:44.23 | kynes | hi |
| 07:44.28 | kynes | I have a question |
| 07:44.30 | deadcat | streuner: not for me. i have hdtemp send my laptop hd temp to root-tail |
| 07:44.50 | kynes | I'm on Windows Xp with HP nx5000 now.. |
| 07:44.54 | deadcat | kynes: i have your answer |
| 07:44.59 | kynes | I've downloaded debian netinst |
| 07:45.08 | kynes | sarge |
| 07:45.11 | streuner | deadcat: so you have no idea at all what temp. your CPU or your mobo have? |
| 07:45.19 | kynes | now I want to build it "with my intel wireless card" |
| 07:45.20 | deadcat | streuner: nope (= |
| 07:45.27 | kynes | how can it be done? |
| 07:45.28 | kynes | thanks |
| 07:45.30 | Guerin | graah |
| 07:45.33 | Guerin | get real ethernet |
| 07:45.51 | kynes | you say it can't be done? |
| 07:46.03 | deadcat | kynes: you have to install the driver afterward. its ipw2100 or ipw2200 |
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| 07:46.43 | Guerin | no, I say there's no excuse for any machine with a pci or pcmcia slot to not have ethernet in this day and age |
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| 07:47.03 | Guerin | why you'd even buy a laptop without ethernet nowadays I do not know. |
| 07:47.05 | kynes | I'm in campus now |
| 07:47.31 | deadcat | kynes: the intel wireless driver is not in the sarge kernel |
| 07:47.38 | kynes | and university bandwith is too good |
| 07:47.47 | kynes | where can I find? |
| 07:47.50 | kynes | and how can I use? |
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| 07:47.59 | kynes | I'm not an expert user you see.. |
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| 07:48.16 | deadcat | kynes: apt-cache search ipw |
| 07:48.26 | kynes | Guerin: I didn't buy a laptop w/o ethernet.. stop it |
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| 07:48.53 | kynes | deadcat: .. and I need internet for that, too.. ? |
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| 07:49.16 | kynes | can't I just d/l it with Windows and make Debian basic installation read it from disk |
| 07:49.18 | kynes | ? |
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| 07:50.20 | deadcat | kynes: you cant do it on widnows |
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| 07:50.53 | kynes | you say deb can't read from win partition |
| 07:50.59 | kynes | with its basic install |
| 07:52.04 | deadcat | kynes: all i am telling you is that sarge doesnt have ipw2[12]00, you have to install it afterward. you can interpret that whatever you like |
| 07:52.32 | kynes | ok ok |
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| 07:52.54 | kynes | I just hypothetically thought it could be done |
| 07:52.58 | kynes | thanks |
| 07:53.29 | deadcat | kynes: you can i think. ask someone here with the default sarge kernel to compile the driver for you |
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| 07:54.58 | kynes | I'll try something |
| 07:55.02 | kynes | thanks for the help though |
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| 07:59.18 | netbug | ´ó¼ÒºÃ |
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| 08:00.24 | gsp | can anyone tell me how to get rid of this error in APT? debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 08:00.24 | gsp | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 11.) |
| 08:00.24 | gsp | debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 08:00.46 | jm_ | reconfigure it to use another front-end? |
| 08:00.53 | gsp | I'd like to use that front end |
| 08:01.02 | gsp | I just want to find the file it wants |
| 08:01.11 | jm_ | ahh /msg dpkg search |
| 08:01.14 | soph | hey, how can i launch 2 apache servers, without having to make virtual host ? |
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| 08:01.26 | idnar | gsp: apt-cache search qt perl |
| 08:01.30 | jm_ | or apt-cache search perl qt |
| 08:01.39 | idnar | jm_ ;) |
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| 08:04.24 | gsp | that fixed it thanks! |
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| 08:09.48 | b33r | anyone using debian as a PDC in a mixed OS network? |
| 08:10.08 | streuner | try #samba |
| 08:10.22 | b33r | did |
| 08:10.24 | b33r | just wondering |
| 08:10.31 | b33r | not going to ask any tech questions |
| 08:10.31 | sanxiyn | This is very strange: http://opendildonics.org/ |
| 08:10.42 | sanxiyn | Perhaps it is ha ha only serious thing. |
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| 08:11.33 | sanxiyn | "Open Dildonics is a project started by Brum2600 group to bring Open Source/GNU technology to Cyber Dildonics" |
| 08:12.01 | streuner | sure ;-) |
| 08:13.12 | zorton | is there a right way to handle kernel patches that will play nice with make-kpkg? |
| 08:13.42 | streuner | zorton: just patch the kernel and run make-kpkg? |
| 08:14.07 | zorton | well i'm thinking I may want to build a kernel-patch package out of this paticular one |
| 08:14.28 | zorton | i'm refering to the Intermediate Queueing Device at http://www.linuximq.net |
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| 08:16.07 | buu79 | Hrm. Is there a dictionary with "parts of speech" type stuff in the debian repo someplace? |
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| 08:19.24 | sanxiyn | buu79: I think Festival, text-to-speech engine includes one, but I don't think it's generally usable outside of Festival... |
| 08:19.37 | buu79 | Hmph. |
| 08:21.20 | sanxiyn | Hm, it looks like ("audit" ((nn -8.751) (nnp -10.709) (vb -10.141) ) () ). |
| 08:21.33 | sanxiyn | (It's under /usr/share/festival/dicts/ after installing Festival.) |
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| 08:21.58 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: you awake? |
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| 08:23.26 | grin | hello; someone please try to apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11 and check whether apt rejects it that the md5sum mismatches? it does for me. thanks. |
| 08:24.09 | Rawplayer | ohoho |
| 08:24.13 | Rawplayer | sec :) |
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| 08:24.51 | Rawplayer | i dont even have it |
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| 08:27.06 | VoX | how do i remove root-reserved filespace on a drive? |
| 08:27.20 | sep | VoX: i think you set it when you make the filesystem |
| 08:27.31 | peterS | VoX: tune2fs |
| 08:27.34 | inu | vox, tune2fs if it's ext2/3 |
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| 08:27.44 | VoX | peters/inu: cheers |
| 08:28.08 | cafuego | Don't remove ALL of it on / |
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| 08:28.48 | VoX | nono |
| 08:28.56 | VoX | it's on an additional hd |
| 08:29.04 | VoX | which is purely storage |
| 08:29.13 | cafuego | ok |
| 08:29.39 | VoX | so it'd be tune2fs -m 0 /dev/foo ? |
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| 08:29.59 | grin | Rawplayer: sid |
| 08:30.31 | grin | so far never seen an md5mismatched file from main archives, so I suspect my machine plays tricks on me |
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| 08:30.35 | VoX | or -r ? |
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| 08:35.07 | VoX | ..anyone? |
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| 08:36.03 | jm_ | VoX: one is in blocks, the other in percentage |
| 08:36.22 | VoX | *nods* so it doesnt matter which? |
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| 08:36.36 | jm_ | right |
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| 08:36.49 | poptix | any reiserfs zealots want to help me with an 8TB raid array? |
| 08:37.07 | VoX | just wanted to check |
| 08:37.07 | tosh| | reiserfs |
| 08:37.10 | tosh| | thats very brave of you |
| 08:37.23 | poptix | i need good delete performance |
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| 08:37.39 | peterS | apparently he is testing a backup strategy to see how well it works on 8 TB arrays |
| 08:37.42 | poptix | ext3 can't handle 8TB, as far as I can tell |
| 08:37.51 | poptix | and XFS has the worst delete performance on our existing arrays |
| 08:37.56 | peterS | reiserfs is an ideal way to test such things because you'll probably need to use it sooner or later |
| 08:38.08 | peterS | the backup strategy, that is |
| 08:38.19 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:38.47 | cafuego | poptix: If it's a backup drive, the last thing in the world you want is reiserfs. |
| 08:38.55 | zorton | is patch-o-matic from the netfilter group dead? I can't find a manual regarding it or how to use it |
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| 08:39.13 | cafuego | On such a large device, the chances of failure are pretty much 100% I think |
| 08:39.14 | poptix | it's actually a backup of a backup |
| 08:39.16 | poptix | shrug |
| 08:39.21 | tosh| | cafuego if ext3 can't handle 8TB, then he doesn't really have a choice? |
| 08:39.32 | poptix | what else supports 8TB? |
| 08:39.35 | poptix | besides xfs |
| 08:39.42 | peterS | ibm jfs should |
| 08:39.45 | cafuego | poptix: Let's have a look. |
| 08:39.46 | peterS | but I haven't read the specs |
| 08:40.00 | jethro | mornin |
| 08:40.24 | SiliconViper | So, the sarge installer kernel panics on boot. 'attempted to kill init'. Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong? |
| 08:40.27 | hoe | jethro: even better! ;) |
| 08:40.29 | tosh| | whats the maximum ext3 can do? |
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| 08:40.42 | peterS | used to be 2 TB. might or might not still be that |
| 08:40.44 | streuner | SiliconViper: custom kernel? |
| 08:40.48 | SiliconViper | Nope. |
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| 08:40.55 | SiliconViper | The install disc. |
| 08:41.02 | streuner | ah |
| 08:41.06 | cafuego | Recentish kernel have additional stuff for huge blockd evices |
| 08:41.09 | SiliconViper | Trying to install on a new system. |
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| 08:41.39 | streuner | SiliconViper: did you verify the iso? |
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| 08:41.49 | SiliconViper | I'll try that. |
| 08:41.51 | raf256 | hi there |
| 08:42.08 | raf256 | hi can I create an 64 MB ram disc and mount is as /mnt/ram1/ ? |
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| 08:42.22 | poptix | raf256: yes. |
| 08:42.26 | valdyn | raf256: sure but what for |
| 08:42.28 | peterS | poptix: so we've established that you want to use reiserfs because it might be the fastest fs for deleting stuff, that can do 8 TB arrays. what's your question then? |
| 08:42.31 | raf256 | s/hi/how |
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| 08:43.06 | raf256 | valdyn: I wonder if it will speed up a bit compilation of my C++ program perhaps |
| 08:43.07 | peterS | raf256: normally you just use a tmpfs. it takes up almost no memory until you fill it with files, then it takes up the amount of memory you'd expect for each file |
| 08:43.13 | cafuego | ext2 has a *file size* limit of 2TB |
| 08:43.18 | valdyn | raf256: nope |
| 08:43.33 | jm_ | raf256: read ramdisk.txt |
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| 08:43.40 | raf256 | valdyn: realy? shit |
| 08:43.40 | peterS | raf256: but as valdyn says, it's unlikely to speed up anything related to compiling |
| 08:43.47 | poptix | peterS: mounting a freshly created reiserfs claims that there's no more space available when writing files |
| 08:44.01 | poptix | peterS: running reiserfsck claims to fix something, then it won't even mount =) |
| 08:44.04 | valdyn | raf256: linux caches everything, you would be trying to "double" that, no use |
| 08:44.08 | cafuego | poptix: That pretty much sums up how broken it is ;-) |
| 08:44.10 | raf256 | ok.. |
| 08:44.10 | peterS | poptix: oh, lovely. yeah, I have no clue. |
| 08:44.20 | raf256 | can I precompile headers somehow? |
| 08:44.28 | poptix | yeah, i was hoping to find an uber reiserfs zealot that would die before giving up on making it work |
| 08:44.34 | raf256 | .c -> .o and .h -> some .ho ? |
| 08:44.34 | valdyn | raf256: with ccache |
| 08:44.36 | poptix | or at least crush their ego with failure |
| 08:44.49 | raf256 | valdyn: how exacly I do this? |
| 08:44.50 | peterS | raf256: header precompiling exists in gcc 3.4 (I think) but it's a hack and is more trouble than it's worth most of the time |
| 08:44.56 | raf256 | any readme and/or example? |
| 08:45.11 | valdyn | raf256: /usr/share/doc/ccache |
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| 08:45.17 | cafuego | poptix: As far as I can tell, 8TB is the ext3 partition size AND file size limit. |
| 08:45.22 | raf256 | peterS: I have several own *.h that I do not change but they are included everywhere in files that do change |
| 08:45.27 | raf256 | valdyn: ok |
| 08:45.33 | cafuego | s/partition/filesystem/ |
| 08:45.51 | jc-denton | http://cytosine.org/~helix/lemonade/blog/lca_video.html |
| 08:46.02 | jc-denton | but where can i download that video? |
| 08:46.07 | valdyn | raf256: that will reuse everything already compiled once, not just headers ( as long as the cache is big enough ) |
| 08:46.21 | poptix | cafuego: yeah, well this is debian |
| 08:46.39 | raf256 | valdyn: how big is the speed up, is it owrth it? |
| 08:46.47 | poptix | cafuego: |
| 08:46.50 | poptix | giants:/# mke2fs -j /dev/md0 |
| 08:46.51 | peterS | jc-denton: from the lca web site, presumably |
| 08:46.52 | poptix | Segmentation fault |
| 08:47.00 | poptix | debian++ |
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| 08:47.20 | poptix | i'm sure it has something to do with largefile support |
| 08:47.27 | valdyn | raf256: i dont know, google ccache benchmark i guess |
| 08:47.49 | peterS | jc-denton: are you attending lca or something? |
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| 08:49.00 | jc-denton | let me check again? |
| 08:50.03 | raf256 | valdyn: so basicly I change CXX into "cache g++" and thats it? |
| 08:50.08 | raf256 | ccache g++ |
| 08:50.53 | jc-denton | linux.conf.au? |
| 08:51.01 | jc-denton | i don't see it there |
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| 08:52.39 | raf256 | valdyn: it dont seem to work, 0,0,0 - cache hit/miss/files in |
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| 08:53.23 | tercerob11 | hello |
| 08:53.38 | peterS | jc-denton: http://150.203.247.2:8830/ and surrounding ports. 8820 through I don't know what. you apparently would get different feeds. where did you read this stuff, btw, planet debian? |
| 08:54.11 | jc-denton | yes |
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| 08:55.02 | jc-denton | stream seems to work |
| 08:55.07 | jc-denton | but where are the others |
| 08:55.16 | jc-denton | google only finds 2004 videos for me |
| 08:56.15 | poptix | ho hum |
| 08:56.20 | peterS | I don't know. that's the address people were passing around earlier. apparently different port numbers gave you different things, like slides-only or whatever |
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| 08:56.51 | peterS | I had no interest in trying to get streaming software to work and hogging my share of Australia's country-wide one megabit of bandwidth |
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| 08:56.59 | peterS | (slight exaggeration) |
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| 08:57.19 | valdyn | raf256: what are you trying to compile? |
| 08:57.40 | raf256 | valdyn: my project having meany .cpp and .h files |
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| 08:57.44 | valdyn | raf256: if setting CXX has any effect depends on the build system |
| 08:57.48 | jc-denton | peterS: but nothing happens onthe video ol |
| 08:57.50 | raf256 | valdyn: I changed CXX into "ccache g++" |
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| 08:58.09 | raf256 | valdyn: can YOu please join #flood? |
| 08:58.26 | valdyn | raf256: im there |
| 08:58.30 | peterS | jc-denton: maybe it's just a live stream and the conference day is over (it *is* 19:00) |
| 08:58.54 | jc-denton | ah lol |
| 08:58.56 | peterS | jc-denton: you can order the CDROM when the conference is finished. I'm sure the web site will have information on that |
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| 08:59.11 | peterS | if it doesn't have that info now I imagine it will in a few days |
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| 08:59.32 | seed- | can someone do a favour for me? |
| 08:59.41 | seed- | create an empty mp3, and send it to me |
| 08:59.50 | jc-denton | peterS: nah i dont want to order a cdrom |
| 08:59.56 | jc-denton | i want to download them now ;0 |
| 08:59.58 | jc-denton | ;) |
| 08:59.59 | streuner | seed-: do you have any other problems? |
| 09:00.04 | seed- | no |
| 09:00.09 | streuner | ok |
| 09:00.22 | seed- | ? |
| 09:00.35 | seed- | i really need an empty mp3 file, and i'm on win |
| 09:00.48 | seed- | can someone do it for me, it takes lik 2 sedonds |
| 09:00.58 | seed- | seconds* |
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| 09:01.17 | henk | if i want to jail an application, how can i find out on wich libs it depends? is there some linkertool that will find that out for me? |
| 09:01.31 | raf256 | henk: hexedit the binary, |
| 09:01.42 | raf256 | henk: ..or use AFAIR ld (or ldd?) program ;) |
| 09:01.47 | peterS | jc-denton: note, I have *no* idea where erinn got the URL for the live stream. she knows a lot of people there, I suppose it's just one of those word-of-mouth things only people like her hear about |
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| 09:01.52 | jm_ | henk: ldd |
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| 09:02.35 | jc-denton | :( |
| 09:02.45 | jc-denton | or i won't buy the next debian release :P |
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| 09:03.48 | jc-denton | humm there is the ubuntu logo in the video |
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| 09:05.10 | streuner | jc-denton: what's the filename? |
| 09:06.19 | valdyn | is that just me or does "which" not understand ~/ |
| 09:06.32 | henk | jm_ thank you |
| 09:06.42 | peterS | streuner: apparently the stream is http://150.203/247.2:8830/ |
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| 09:06.46 | raf256 | valdyn: oh, so I want to create g++-3.4-ccache... |
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| 09:07.20 | raf256 | valdyn: I just should create script /usr/local/bin/g++-3.4-ccache that is "ccache g++-3.4 {@0}" ? |
| 09:07.56 | raf256 | echo "ccache g++-3.4 {$@}" > /usr/local/bin/g++-3.4-ccache && chmod 777 ... will do it? |
| 09:08.17 | valdyn | raf256: i use symlinks: valdyn@master:~$ ll ~/bin/g++ |
| 09:08.17 | valdyn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 valdyn valdyn 15 2005-01-20 23:11 /home/valdyn/bin/g++ -> /usr/bin/ccache |
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| 09:08.55 | jc-denton | streuner: it's a strem |
| 09:09.14 | valdyn | raf256: and /home/valdyn/bin in my path, b/c obvious the '~' is not treated properly by everything |
| 09:09.19 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 09:09.20 | streuner | jc-denton: i got no connection via wget |
| 09:09.25 | valdyn | raf256: and /home/valdyn/bin in my $PATH, b/c obvious the '~' is not treated properly by everything |
| 09:09.30 | jc-denton | i used xine |
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| 09:09.46 | kittonian | hi all |
| 09:10.15 | kittonian | i am trying to get qmail-scanner to compile and install and it keeps erroring out on this reformime issue of maildrop being too old of a version |
| 09:10.17 | gsp | ok... I'm having a brainfart... and lost my Linux for Dummies book, so how do I pipe something through "more" in the terminal? |
| 09:10.26 | kittonian | this is a new install of woody so it's the latest stable releases |
| 09:10.42 | kittonian | gsp: | more |
| 09:10.49 | gsp | thanks! |
| 09:10.55 | resiak | gsp: But try |less |
| 09:10.58 | holycow | okay so esd is gnomes *official* sound server, if that is so, how come system/prefs/multimedia has different default choices for 'sink' and 'source' settings? sink is esd and source is oss by default i think? how come? |
| 09:10.58 | resiak | :( |
| 09:11.13 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 09:11.31 | holycow | hey streuner :) |
| 09:11.33 | kittonian | so i tried compiling maildrop from source but it's erroring out during make |
| 09:11.44 | kittonian | any idea how I get around this? |
| 09:11.47 | holycow | sorry post to wrong chan |
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| 09:12.49 | valdyn | holycow: that tool is not part of official gnome afaik, its gstreamer-properties |
| 09:12.57 | manchot | there is an installation media callled business card, what is this for? |
| 09:13.04 | manchot | why it is called business card? |
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| 09:13.37 | jm_ | because it fits on business card CD-s |
| 09:13.46 | valdyn | manchot: theres cdroms which are just the size of form of a business card |
| 09:13.50 | gsp | can anyone recommend a good ANSI telnet client? for old school BBS systems? |
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| 09:14.26 | sotanez | hi |
| 09:14.28 | jm_ | gsp: what's wrong with telnet itself? |
| 09:14.29 | Chameleon22 | does anyone know of any gui client to connect to a remote vpn via ipsec (shared secrets) |
| 09:14.42 | manchot | valdyn: yes but can that be used to do a net-install? what's the difference between it and netinstall.iso? |
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| 09:14.47 | gsp | it seems to use weird chars... when drawing ANSI screens |
| 09:14.59 | caiqian | Hi all, how can I convert something like прилож in my file to Unicode characters? |
| 09:15.20 | CaT_MaN | I have dual procesor Xeon |
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| 09:15.50 | valdyn | manchot: business card will download more stuff i guess, thats it |
| 09:15.54 | CaT_MaN | I use this computer for traffic shaping |
| 09:15.58 | manchot | I see. |
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| 09:16.06 | vortek | hello :) |
| 09:16.08 | sotanez | i can't enter kde, it shows me the message: Could not read network connection list /home/sotanez/.DCOPserver_KarmaPolice_0, check if program "dcopserver" is running |
| 09:16.19 | valdyn | manchot: ( if it works, the netinstall was the first image that was made to work decently on most computers ) |
| 09:16.21 | vortek | Does any one know any compiler for debian in C that is c99 compliant ? |
| 09:16.26 | sotanez | and then it backs to the login screen |
| 09:16.30 | valdyn | vortek: gcc |
| 09:16.39 | jm_ | gsp: ahh wrong character set is probably selected; try echo -e '\e(U' and then run telnet |
| 09:16.53 | gsp | ok |
| 09:16.57 | vortek | valdyn: any specific version cause my boss wants proof :( |
| 09:17.09 | CaT_MaN | what kind of packet i can install for work distributing between procesors |
| 09:17.09 | vortek | valdyn: i got him to run debian on the servers though :) |
| 09:17.13 | valdyn | vortek: i cant give you proofs |
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| 09:17.23 | valdyn | vortek: gcc -std=C99 |
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| 09:18.28 | PenjejakNeraka__ | Hi guys, is there any simplest way I can enable my Oronoco wi-fi card to be in monitor mode? |
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| 09:18.59 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka__: iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor <- tried that? |
| 09:19.12 | gsp | jm_ that screwed it up worse! |
| 09:19.34 | raf256 | valdyn: if You just symlinked g++ into ccache, then will ccache know to call g++-3.4 (or how can I tell it to do so.. using export CCACHE_CC="g++-3.4" ? |
| 09:19.38 | Crasp | what happens if i produce output in a logrotate.d config? |
| 09:19.39 | PenjejakNeraka__ | valdyn; the problem is my default kernel doesn't support that |
| 09:20.02 | raf256 | valdyn: btw, how can I make g++-3.4 default g++ compiler (instead of 3.3) - just symplink g++ into g++-3.4 ? |
| 09:20.10 | vortek | thanxs :) |
| 09:20.58 | gsp | jm_ it's telnet x-bit.org... |
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| 09:21.07 | gsp | you'll see what I'm talking about right away |
| 09:21.11 | jm_ | gsp: can't try it now, I'm at work |
| 09:21.15 | gsp | lol soory |
| 09:21.21 | gsp | sorry... |
| 09:21.28 | gsp | is there a different Char set I can try? |
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| 09:21.31 | valdyn | raf256: use dpkg-divert to make apt aware of each link you change, then change the link |
| 09:21.39 | gsp | one that has the good old ANSI blocks? |
| 09:21.40 | raf256 | ok |
| 09:21.58 | jm_ | gsp: also make sure your font has the right characters |
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| 09:22.23 | gsp | I'm using the console |
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| 09:22.40 | Crasp | what happens if i produce output in a logrotate.d config? |
| 09:22.41 | gsp | can I change the console font? |
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| 09:22.58 | jm_ | sure, are you on a PC? |
| 09:23.03 | gsp | yeah |
| 09:23.25 | jm_ | well (U should work then, the choices are B 0 U and K |
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| 09:23.36 | hellz | hi, i am facing some problem with syslog. i have send my kernel syslog messages to a remote machine but then in the remote log file that is created there is no time stamp and host file |
| 09:23.40 | gsp | ok |
| 09:23.52 | jm_ | hellz: there is, remote syslogd adds those |
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| 09:24.24 | hellz | jm_: but how do i identify that in the remote machine |
| 09:24.35 | jm_ | hellz: what do you mean? |
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| 09:24.57 | hellz | i mean in the remote machine, there's no machine info and time stamp added |
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| 09:25.07 | hellz | while generating the log file |
| 09:25.11 | jm_ | there sure is on my system |
| 09:25.43 | hellz | means |
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| 09:29.26 | gsp | jm_ It still doesn't work right... I'll just give up... I just wanted to play silly old door games anyway!! |
| 09:30.38 | jm_ | gsp: well let me see if I can ssh to some place to test it |
| 09:31.51 | gsp | jm_ It asks me if my terminal supports extended IBM extended ASCII |
| 09:31.52 | jm_ | so just telnet x-bit.org on standard port? |
| 09:31.57 | gsp | yeah |
| 09:32.11 | jm_ | say Y |
| 09:32.20 | gsp | that's when it get's goofy |
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| 09:33.14 | jm_ | ahh doh, I am in X, can't use console right now |
| 09:34.00 | DonDiego | hi, i'm trying to install a few machines in parallel with sarge, there is fai for that, but i want to keep them in sync afterwards so they stay identical, i'm looking for something like a common package database between machines or a way to install packages in parallel together with configuration files, any pointers? thx |
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| 09:35.33 | gsp | like I said... it's no big deal... |
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| 09:37.18 | PerfDave | DonDiego: I know one exists, can't remember what it's called though :/ |
| 09:37.48 | jm_ | gsp: (U should really work, but I doubt I'll remember to test it later at home ;) |
| 09:37.50 | darkskiez | is there a kernel parameter you can use to allow a k7 built kernel to boot on a xeon ? |
| 09:38.02 | darkskiez | disabiling cpu optimisations or something ? |
| 09:38.11 | PerfDave | darkskiez: I really doubt it. |
| 09:38.37 | DonDiego | darkskiez: compile for pentium or pentium 2, that should work on both machines, if in doubt you 386 ;-p |
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| 09:39.20 | JonasNZ | i may just be blind but i cant find a sarge network install iso for x86 anywhere |
| 09:39.30 | darkskiez | the install cd we have put on the wrong kernel, its a pita to change via knoppix etc. |
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| 09:39.58 | PerfDave | !d-i JonasNZ |
| 09:39.59 | dpkg | JonasNZ, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:40.00 | darkskiez | JonasNZ, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:40.13 | DonDiego | PerfDave: :-(, i'm sure somebody must have solved that problem before, that's why i'm asking here.. |
| 09:40.44 | darkskiez | DonDiego, what u looking for? |
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| 09:41.34 | DonDiego | darkskiez: a way to keep several machines in sync, installation-wise |
| 09:41.52 | DonDiego | basically (un)install packages on multiple machines at once |
| 09:42.06 | DonDiego | same config files, etc, the machines are identical |
| 09:42.06 | darkskiez | oh, that'd be nice |
| 09:42.43 | JonasNZ | is the business card iso capable of doing a full net install? |
| 09:43.33 | peterS | JonasNZ: it wouldn't be very useful if it were not |
| 09:43.45 | JonasNZ | ok |
| 09:43.53 | peterS | or, what do you mean by 'full net install'? |
| 09:43.56 | darkskiez | the business card does more of a netinstall than the net-install disk. |
| 09:43.57 | JonasNZ | so is it just a net install with base stripped out |
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| 09:44.18 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: The netinstall CD will give you a bootable base system if you have no network. The businesscard CD won't. |
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| 09:44.23 | peterS | yeah, from what I understand, it's just like the netinst images except without the base packages |
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| 09:44.24 | PDani | hi |
| 09:44.40 | JonasNZ | ok PerfDave can you boot off the business card and ssh in to do the install? |
| 09:44.56 | PDani | what can i do, if the jumpnbump fucked up my resolution? (ctrl-alt-+/- doesn't help) |
| 09:45.10 | PerfDave | JonasNZ: I doubt it, it would waste a huge amount of disk space to have sshd on the businesscard ISO. |
| 09:45.32 | peterS | PerfDave: sshd is available on the netinst ISO though |
| 09:45.37 | JonasNZ | ok |
| 09:45.46 | peterS | PerfDave: I mean as something you can load into your ramdisk |
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| 09:48.18 | kittonian | anyone know where I can find maildrop 1.3.8 in a deb package? |
| 09:48.50 | streuner | !tell kittonian about search |
| 09:49.27 | kittonian | streuner, thank you very much. i'm not stupid |
| 09:49.40 | kittonian | it doesn't exist in stable, testing, or unstable |
| 09:49.51 | kittonian | the version i'm looking for is in between stable and testing |
| 09:50.02 | kittonian | testing's version has unmet deps in the stable distro |
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| 09:50.07 | kittonian | so i need to find 1.3.8 |
| 09:50.12 | PerfDave | kittonian: So backport it. |
| 09:50.12 | kittonian | which is why I asked the question |
| 09:50.18 | kittonian | backport doesn't have it |
| 09:50.18 | PerfDave | kittonian: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:50.21 | kittonian | already tried |
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| 09:50.28 | PerfDave | kittonian: Backport it yourself. |
| 09:50.41 | kittonian | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 09:50.57 | PerfDave | kittonian: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 09:51.08 | PerfDave | kittonian: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 09:51.28 | kittonian | perfdave: that's not helpful |
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| 09:51.50 | kittonian | i thought someone might know where I could grab it |
| 09:51.51 | darkskiez | kittonian, the droids ...err binaries you are looking for are not here. |
| 09:52.01 | darkskiez | kittonian, get the source code and build it yourself. |
| 09:52.06 | kittonian | already tried that too |
| 09:52.28 | darkskiez | kittonian, what was the problem ? |
| 09:52.34 | PerfDave | kittonian: What's not helpful about it? It's telling you how to install the version from testing or unstable on your stable system without dependency problems or trashing your system! |
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| 09:53.10 | kittonian | the problem is i can't install qmail-scanner without having a later version than 1.3.7-2 of maildrop. so it recommends 1.3.8 which is nowhere to be found and the next version i can find has unmet deps |
| 09:53.21 | jond3rd | does all packages in backports came from sid? |
| 09:53.31 | kittonian | perfdave: i was speaking of the bobbitt command |
| 09:53.52 | PerfDave | kittonian: It's useful advice. |
| 09:53.54 | valdyn | jond3rd: that depends on the backporter, but in a way _any_ debian package comes from sid |
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| 09:54.09 | kittonian | perfdave: true, always useful to remember that incident |
| 09:54.12 | JonasNZ | is it actually possible to do a debian install via ssh |
| 09:54.14 | jond3rd | kittonian: don't use maildrop.deb for qmail-scanner, you may need to install maildrop from source |
| 09:54.58 | kittonian | jond3rd: all i need to do is get this going. everything else is done. this is taking forever to finish this last piece. i figured if i could get beyond the reformime error i'd be good to go |
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| 09:55.40 | petemc | JonasNZ: http://wiki.debian.net/?action=diff&page_name=DebianInstallerNetworkConsole&revision_id=-1 |
| 09:56.39 | jond3rd | kittonian: qmailrocks.org can help you |
| 09:57.26 | Guerin | nothing can help you if you want to use qmail |
| 09:57.40 | Guerin | jond3rd: yes. |
| 09:57.51 | Guerin | ehh |
| 09:57.54 | Guerin | JonasNZ: |
| 09:58.02 | JonasNZ | ? |
| 09:58.07 | JonasNZ | oh |
| 09:58.30 | JonasNZ | is there an image sumwhere for it or do i need to build my own |
| 09:58.44 | Rawplayer | what is a partition id? |
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| 09:59.07 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 09:59.07 | dpkg | methinks chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
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| 10:02.08 | kittonian | jond3rd: thanks for that link |
| 10:02.36 | Guerin | jethro: who's the bigger moron: the moron, or the moron who gave them root? |
| 10:02.56 | streuner | Guerin: in other words, why does he have root access? |
| 10:02.57 | jethro | Guerin: the moron who hired him has the award I'd say |
| 10:03.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:03.16 | Guerin | yeap |
| 10:03.31 | jethro | and that's funny how he tries to bullshit me when I look at the logs |
| 10:03.51 | jethro | it's been the second time in 2 weeks he crashes a box, then lies :) |
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| 10:05.10 | ruski | i work with a guy that likes to edit bind zone files by hand, then 'rndc reload' the zone full of errors so it gets propigated through out the world in a jiffy ... then he waits around 4 hours for the refresh to kick in and tries again.. so sad |
| 10:05.13 | Guerin | jethro: can he type 'performance review' with the one hand that's actually on the keyboard? |
| 10:05.50 | jethro | Guerin: I m not sure I got your point, what are you talking about? |
| 10:06.07 | jethro | Guerin: are you asking if he can type properly? |
| 10:06.34 | Guerin | jethro: well, what he's doing is clearly not becoming good at his job, so I can only presume he's just sitting around wanking to goat porn all day... just speculation, but... |
| 10:07.09 | jethro | Guerin: well I wish he were, but actually he *wants* his hands in the mud, and work on the servers |
| 10:07.28 | jethro | Guerin: that's clearly the worst of his being such a moron |
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| 10:07.55 | jond3rd | don't give him roo powers then |
| 10:07.59 | jond3rd | s/roo/root |
| 10:07.59 | Guerin | well, once again, the great weight of moronitude lies on the person who put 'administering important servers' in his JD |
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| 10:08.36 | Guerin | definitely not roo powers either |
| 10:08.48 | Guerin | goat powers are clearly bad enough in his case |
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| 10:10.37 | sml | Guerin: lol |
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| 10:10.46 | jethro | well I ain't his boss, I don't decide what he does or not |
| 10:11.19 | jond3rd | but at least you can educate those goats how destructive a root can be |
| 10:12.33 | jethro | educating morons |
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| 10:12.35 | jethro | now that's funny |
| 10:12.50 | sml | jethro: SOme people here wanted root. I said sure you can have root, but if you do you can have it all to yourself. They said "why?" I said coz I'm not going to fix the damage your ignorance and misuse of that account, causes. |
| 10:13.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:13.32 | jond3rd | for goats root == weeds |
| 10:13.34 | Guerin | some people I know wanted root. I told them to fuck off :) |
| 10:13.50 | sml | jethro: Only one other person has root here, and although he has a habit of just kicking users off the system rather than warning them, he at least uses the account with caution. |
| 10:13.54 | sml | Guerin: lol |
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| 10:14.08 | jethro | sml: well, you're lucky |
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| 10:14.43 | Guerin | i have a co-root as well, because he pays for half the server, and actually runs Important Stuff on it, but he never does anything much without asking me, thank goodness. |
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| 10:15.06 | sml | jethro: Not really. My work know that I simply would resign rather than give someone else root. Basically the downtime on my system is *TINY* and that makes my life simpler. Giving root to someone else would make my life hell and a misery and so therefore i'd be forced to go work with a company that have a clue. |
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| 10:15.44 | sml | jethro: I'm on call one week in two, and thankfully I hardly ever get called out and if I do it's nearly always a hardware issue. |
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| 10:16.15 | sml | BTW, I'm not a unix sysadmin the role was given to me just because they knew I use linux at home. |
| 10:16.41 | sml | but I'm proud to say that I've mangaged to save our asses more than a few times in the last 8 years. |
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| 10:17.16 | sml | Lot's of people with ipv6 addresses in here. |
| 10:17.26 | sml | Lucky bastards! |
| 10:18.07 | jc-denton | hehe |
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| 10:18.56 | sml | Anyone here know how hard it is to aquire a .ca domain ? |
| 10:19.08 | sml | I mean.. if you're not resident in Canada obviously. |
| 10:19.21 | Guerin | sml: have a friend in canada -> no problem |
| 10:19.26 | Ronin_ | why want one then if your not one of the chosen ;) |
| 10:19.44 | sml | Guerin: Well i've been looking along that line of enquires.. I have a friend who's family live there and I'm pursuing that at the moment. |
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| 10:19.49 | Ronin_ | ok its offical my isp sucks today |
| 10:19.55 | sml | Guerin: Just a lil' bit of a pain when it comes up for renewal |
| 10:20.03 | sml | Ronin: mine sucks all the time |
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| 10:21.44 | rocky23 | before i ring up lovely dell i wondered if someone could help me, ive got a poweredge sc420 and its got one ide controller on it and a sata controller, i want to copy data from one of out pata drives to the sata, so i disconnected the cdrom drive and put in the pata drive on cable select the same as the cdrom was and the cable in the black master slot in to the hard drive now the hard drive doesnt get picked up in the bios but does in the os. if |
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| 10:24.11 | darkskiez | theres not a bittornado/bittorrent exploit out is there, my client just crashed unexpectedly. I've not had that before. |
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| 10:24.43 | sml | darkskiez: That's not an exploit that's a DoS. |
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| 10:25.18 | darkskiez | sml: yes, a dos, but it could be an exploit with DoS effects, has my client been DoS'd or has it been exploited, thus the question. |
| 10:25.21 | sml | darkskiez: <conspiracy>Perhaps it's hollywood?</conspiracy> |
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| 10:25.37 | sml | darkskiez: RIAA and MIAA ? |
| 10:25.43 | sml | or whatever they're called. |
| 10:25.47 | inu | MPAA |
| 10:25.55 | Guerin | MIAA, hah |
| 10:25.59 | Guerin | one wishes they were |
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| 10:26.04 | sml | Guerin: LOL |
| 10:26.12 | darkskiez | TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'copyfrom' |
| 10:26.21 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.23 | sml | darkskiez: cant you just strace it |
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| 10:26.45 | sml | darkskiez: oh its written in python. |
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| 10:29.33 | inu | because all those russian hackers are out to get me |
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| 10:30.13 | sml | inu: I thought they were romanian hax0rs. |
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| 10:31.21 | inu | sml, according to some /. post, russian hackers are the smartest *ever* or something |
| 10:31.29 | sml | so .. marcomedia merge with adobe. the fish tank gets more sparse. |
| 10:31.55 | darkskiez | how can I make a package overwrite config files of another without dpkg getting upset ? |
| 10:31.58 | sml | inu: no it's just if "Smirnoff made hackers" |
| 10:32.05 | Siropel | btw, most of "romanian hax0rs" are script kidies ... |
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| 10:32.43 | jethro | haha |
| 10:32.44 | newbie21 | what do you recomend woody or sarge on a server? |
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| 10:32.57 | sml | newbie21: is that an internet facing machine ? |
| 10:33.02 | petemc | newbie21: depends what you want to do with it |
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| 10:33.11 | jethro | according to my ass, romanian pimps are the best at hacking nasa.gov |
| 10:33.14 | sml | oh look a debian security announcement has JUST been made |
| 10:33.18 | sml | ! conspiracies ! |
| 10:33.22 | jethro | quit trolling about things you have no clues about, and stop the FUD |
| 10:33.24 | WorkerII | I have a general UNIX/Linux/ext[23] question, but I'll try my luck here, unless that is going to make someone loose their temper and/or sanity.... :-) |
| 10:33.24 | sml | jethro: lol |
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| 10:33.42 | WorkerII | jethro: May I advise that you seek better counceling? ;-) |
| 10:33.51 | darkskiez | WorkerII, 'sup ? |
| 10:34.02 | sml | jethro: Oh c'mon my Smirnoff line must have made you smile ? |
| 10:34.07 | WorkerII | darkskiez: Its the different time recordings of the files.. |
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| 10:34.33 | jethro | sml: no even a second |
| 10:34.36 | Siropel | jethro, vorbesti prostii |
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| 10:34.42 | darkskiez | WorkerII, wow, drag this one out... whats up? |
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| 10:34.51 | WorkerII | darkskiez: :-) |
| 10:34.56 | jethro | Siropel: is that latin? |
| 10:35.09 | rocky23 | anyone got any cluesa bout my pata drive and bios problem ? :) |
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| 10:35.13 | WorkerII | Well, my files have a ctime, a mtime, and a atime or ??? |
| 10:35.14 | newbie21 | sml, i am going to run a web, fil and print server... and CRM |
| 10:35.24 | newbie21 | yes it will be on the internet |
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| 10:35.49 | ayman | command or interface to set up FQDN |
| 10:35.52 | rocky23 | newbie: id use stable with backports if really needed |
| 10:35.59 | sml | newbie21: I would recommend woody then since it gets the security updates quicker than testing. |
| 10:36.12 | sml | jethro: party pooper! |
| 10:36.25 | Siropel | lame |
| 10:36.35 | petemc | rocky23: what makes you think stable with backports is better than sarge? |
| 10:36.38 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
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| 10:36.53 | WorkerII | (If my question implies that "I'm an f'ing f, who needs to get a f'ing clue!", I would appreciate a pointer or even an URL .. I've seeked councel withing the "ls --help" text ..) |
| 10:37.03 | tarzeau | rocky23: non-official debian packages are worse than official ones |
| 10:37.06 | rocky23 | petemc: i said any backports if really needed so if he add to run a bleeding age version of apache then he could back port |
| 10:37.08 | streuner | rocky23: those backports are usually _NOT_ maintained... |
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| 10:37.26 | streuner | rocky23: you don't have support then |
| 10:37.28 | petemc | rocky23: bleeding edge? wtf, if you want software that isnt over 3 years old you mean |
| 10:37.40 | sml | woody is about a thousand years old, sarge is very robust but if it's a mission critical internet facing box then i'd err on the side of caution unless you really need something that's in sarge. |
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| 10:38.10 | rocky23 | petemc: ok if you want something thats not 3 years old :) |
| 10:38.10 | WorkerII | sml: You're trolling, woody isn't even 10 years old yet! I don't even think its 5 years old! |
| 10:38.13 | tzafrir | I've just found out about /etc/mailcap.order . reading mail has sudenlly become saner :-) Editing that file with vim gives a strang eerror, if you configured your system properly. |
| 10:38.27 | streuner | !woody |
| 10:38.27 | dpkg | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 10:38.32 | sml | WorkerII: That was a hyberbolic statment incase you didn't notice. |
| 10:38.44 | WorkerII | sml: Don't make hyberbolic statements, then. |
| 10:38.46 | streuner | 2002, in july 2005 its _3_ years old |
| 10:38.50 | WorkerII | !dict hyberbolic |
| 10:38.52 | dpkg | could not find definition for hyberbolic |
| 10:38.54 | sml | WorkerII: sorry didn't want to confuse you. |
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| 10:39.09 | Guerin | !dict hyperbole |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hyperbole' (1 of 2): Hyperbole \Hy*per"bo*le\, n. [L., fr. Gr?, prop., an overshooting, excess, fr. Gr. ? to throw over or beyond; "ype`r over + ? to throw. See Hyper-, Parable, and cf. Hyperbola.] (Rhet.) A figure of speech in which the expression is an evident exaggeration of the meaning intended to be conveyed, or by which things are represented as much greater or less, better or worse, than they really are; a statement ... |
| 10:39.11 | WorkerII | sml: sokay. Thanks for the appology. :) |
| 10:39.36 | WorkerII | conveyed? |
| 10:39.50 | rocky23 | if you were running woody and wanted to use a newer ip tables would you then compile from source or use a backport then ? |
| 10:39.51 | sml | I do love these bots in here you know. |
| 10:40.03 | sml | rocky23: get the source package. |
| 10:40.10 | chechu | HELLO |
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| 10:40.31 | Guerin | chechu: http://fixyourcapslock.com |
| 10:40.44 | chechu | HELLO |
| 10:40.45 | rocky23 | do backports not include security updates ? |
| 10:40.49 | chechu | HELLO |
| 10:40.56 | streuner | rocky23: nope |
| 10:40.56 | chechu | HI=? |
| 10:41.08 | WorkerII | chechu: Hi .. your capslock seems to have stuck ... |
| 10:41.10 | chechu | T PTA MDR |
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| 10:41.20 | streuner | rocky23: as i said you have usually no support with those packages |
| 10:41.27 | PerfDave | !es |
| 10:41.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:41.29 | WorkerII | !dict rima tard |
| 10:41.30 | dpkg | could not find definition for rima tard |
| 10:41.42 | Guerin | WorkerII: message the bots, svp |
| 10:41.44 | WorkerII | !rima |
| 10:41.49 | chechu | BONJOUR WORKER11 |
| 10:41.52 | rocky23 | streuner: same with compiling from source though really |
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| 10:43.01 | WorkerII | petemc: What is a "rima tard" ? |
| 10:43.04 | sep | rocky23: when you compile from source you can update the package as soon as a fix is out, with backports the fix can be in source for ages before someone makes a new backport and packages it and puts it on the web for you |
| 10:43.07 | sml | rocky23: there are maintainers for source packages ;) |
| 10:43.26 | chechu | LOS TULLOS POR SI ACASO |
| 10:43.33 | petemc | WorkerII: chechu |
| 10:43.35 | WorkerII | !tell chechu about french |
| 10:43.47 | WorkerII | petemc: Oh .. his name is Rima Tard? |
| 10:43.54 | WorkerII | his or her name, even. |
| 10:43.56 | Guerin | WorkerII: you're almost as stupid as he is |
| 10:44.02 | crashbg | anyone that uses ogg: which is the bes encoder from mp3/wma to ogg? |
| 10:44.11 | sanso | WorkerII, /whois chechu |
| 10:44.18 | WorkerII | Guerin: You sound as if you assume that to be a hard accomplishment? |
| 10:44.22 | Guerin | crashbg: that question makes less sense than chechu |
| 10:44.25 | sml | crashbg: OGG is quite a good musical format, I use mplayer. |
| 10:44.29 | Guerin | WorkerII: it does take some doing. |
| 10:44.31 | streuner | Don't feed the troll |
| 10:45.06 | WorkerII | Guerin: I'll rephrase my question, in the hope I don't get a new fancy label. |
| 10:45.20 | WorkerII | Guerin: What is rima-tde - a university, or something? |
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| 10:45.37 | Guerin | WorkerII: fgi |
| 10:46.09 | sml | crash : ogg123, amd mp32ogg |
| 10:46.14 | sml | s/amd/and |
| 10:46.17 | WorkerII | OK .. back to my original question... |
| 10:46.22 | sml | crashbg: not sure about wma. |
| 10:46.50 | Guerin | never encode to wma |
| 10:46.56 | chechu | OLA ALGUIEN DE ESPAÑA |
| 10:47.04 | sml | isn't wma windows media ? |
| 10:47.05 | Guerin | !es |
| 10:47.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:47.15 | WorkerII | Do files in an ext3 file-system have a ctime, a mtime, an atime and a "regular time" or what do they have, and where can I read about them??? |
| 10:47.27 | sml | WorkerII: of course they do. |
| 10:47.42 | sml | WorkerII: ext3 is only ext2 with journalling. |
| 10:47.46 | WorkerII | sml: 4 different timestamps? |
| 10:47.50 | chechu | OLA |
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| 10:47.59 | chechu | OLA |
| 10:48.00 | chechu | OAL |
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| 10:48.07 | streuner | good bot |
| 10:48.12 | WorkerII | chechu: Watch it .. you're flooding a little! |
| 10:48.40 | crashbg | too late :) |
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| 10:49.34 | Guerin | !ops chechu is a fucking imbecile |
| 10:49.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: chechu is a fucking imbecile |
| 10:49.46 | chechu | HELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 10:49.56 | sep | WorkerII: what a file on a filesystem have for time's or flags is filesystem spesific, look for info in the filsystem you use's documentation |
| 10:49.58 | chechu | TU PUTA MADRE GUERIN |
| 10:50.08 | PerfDave | crashbg: Encoding mp3 to vorbis will result in loss of quality, because they're both lossy formats. Better to re-rip from upstream in Vorbis in the first place. |
| 10:50.19 | chechu | TURBA MASH |
| 10:50.31 | streuner | Guerin: ignore... |
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| 10:50.43 | Guerin | streuner: yeah, because that'll make him go away |
| 10:50.57 | crashbg | PerfDave, too late; i have to downsample the mp3s and reduce the size |
| 10:51.01 | streuner | *Plonk* |
| 10:51.13 | chechu | LOS MUERTO DE TU PADRE STEREUNER AND GUERIN VERY MARICON |
| 10:51.21 | PerfDave | crashbg: Well, a Vorbis from the same original source would probably be smaller *anyway* |
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| 10:51.49 | crashbg | PerfDave, yes but i have only mp3s downloaded from the net and very little original cd's |
| 10:52.05 | streuner | ElectricElf: can you help? |
| 10:52.14 | chechu | LIITLE TIENES LA POLLA |
| 10:52.24 | crashbg | doesn't matter, i'll continue googling for it |
| 10:52.28 | Shadur | Hmm. Valid characters in DNS names are [:alnum:] and -, right? |
| 10:52.44 | petemc | you can also have unicode characters |
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| 10:53.16 | PerfDave | crashbg: Where are they downloaded from? |
| 10:53.28 | chechu | HELLO IMBECILE |
| 10:53.30 | PerfDave | Shadur: Read the DNS RFC. |
| 10:53.37 | Shadur | petemc: Erm, last I checked bind doesn't accept 'em yet. |
| 10:53.42 | Shadur | PerfDave: Good idea, thanks. |
| 10:54.02 | petemc | Shadur: i didnt realise bind constituted the dns system |
| 10:54.13 | InitMass | does 'urxvt -bl' give you a borderless window? |
| 10:54.13 | petemc | s/system// |
| 10:54.17 | chechu | VUESTRAS MADRES ESTAN FINE O NO? |
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| 10:54.42 | Guerin | InitMass: depends on your window manager, I believe |
| 10:54.45 | chechu | YOUR MOTHER VERY FINE |
| 10:54.48 | petemc | PerfDave: underscores arent valid i believe, just ms thinks they are |
| 10:54.51 | darkskiez | !dpkg smite chechu |
| 10:55.01 | crashbg | PerfDave, why? :) Does it matter? There are 10000 ways to download all you want |
| 10:55.05 | chechu | LAMEMELA TU |
| 10:55.40 | chechu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.24 | InitMass | Guerin, i'm using fluxbox |
| 10:56.41 | chechu | GUERIN QUE TE FOLLE TU PADRE |
| 10:57.35 | Guerin | InitMass: i expect you'll need to tell fluxbox to use a borderless theme - I don't know if it can be done from within urxvt |
| 10:57.45 | PerfDave | crashbg: I was curious. |
| 10:58.02 | InitMass | Guerin, i want to have borders on my other windows |
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| 10:58.46 | jm_ | that's easily doable with icewm |
| 10:59.51 | jm_ | however urxvt -bl just gives me usage |
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| 11:01.04 | PerfDave | crashbg: There are a couple of music paysites now which do Ogg Vorbis. |
| 11:02.13 | WorkerII | sep: Where do I find that? |
| 11:02.20 | directhex|work | PerfDave, any legal ones? allofmp3 is far from legal |
| 11:02.36 | WorkerII | sep: /usr/share/doc/ext3 ?!?? |
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| 11:02.47 | directhex|work | how do i split up a 760mb text file into more bite-sized chunks of about 150mb? |
| 11:02.53 | WorkerII | sep: (dir doesn't exist) |
| 11:03.21 | crashbg | PerfDave, yea, maybe, but i have siemens sx1 symbian and 128 MMC - i have to downsample most of the files from 44800 to 44100 Hz and reduce the size - often from more than 6-7 MB to 2-3... |
| 11:03.42 | PerfDave | directhex|work: IWW is it "far from legal"? |
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| 11:03.50 | Guerin | directhex|work: split - but it won't respect prose laws of splitting :) |
| 11:03.51 | WorkerII | And don't tell me to google it .. the system has to contain some information on this - or else the machine without internet-connection wont be documented!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:04.10 | Gathond | directhex|work: split perhaps? |
| 11:04.10 | bayamo | www.turquino.com cuba website |
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| 11:04.15 | Guerin | WorkerII: you fucking twat |
| 11:04.17 | WorkerII | s/!*$/!/ |
| 11:04.26 | crashbg | so i need a good encoder who can do it :) i don't liked mp32ogg and dir2ogg, now i'll try audacity |
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| 11:05.15 | cafe_roy | s |
| 11:05.21 | Guerin | crashbg: write a shell loop to decode them to wave, then re-encode |
| 11:05.27 | directhex|work | PerfDave, in the "the music is unlicensed, not a penny goes to any artists" way |
| 11:05.42 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Not true. |
| 11:05.46 | Guerin | althought that's all I expect mp32ogg etc. do |
| 11:05.48 | directhex|work | PerfDave, true. |
| 11:06.01 | PerfDave | directhex|work: *shrug* Not according to everything I've read about it. |
| 11:06.10 | WorkerII | (Besides, google doesn't help me .. so the idiots who redirect me to google, just don't have a clue themselves). |
| 11:06.20 | Guerin | i've read that they obey russian law, fwtw |
| 11:06.34 | directhex|work | they obey russian law, natch, a slight loophole |
| 11:06.37 | PerfDave | Guerin: Indeed. |
| 11:06.38 | badblody | in enlightenment how can i change between aplications? |
| 11:06.48 | crashbg | Guerin, i guess there is already some tool to do it |
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| 11:07.17 | Guerin | crashbg: those tools have been explained to you |
| 11:07.26 | Guerin | !htfswk badblody |
| 11:07.27 | directhex|work | they're licensed for radio broadcast of russian theatre and opera, and pay royalties to the societies that handle it. they haven't paid any money to any international artists or special interest groups to do with said artists for about 2-3 years |
| 11:07.27 | dpkg | badblody: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 11:07.31 | crashbg | yea, audacity doest it :) |
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| 11:07.50 | crashbg | it's great tool, something like cooledit(adobe audition) |
| 11:07.59 | Guerin | directhex|work: what's your point, then? According to what I've read they DO pay royalties. |
| 11:08.05 | raf256 | where are mouse cursors thames stored? |
| 11:08.15 | raf256 | and can I view them as bitmap? |
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| 11:08.18 | crashbg | Guerin, noone here told me about audacity, i've searched google |
| 11:08.18 | Guerin | crashbg: why the fuck would you want to do that individually for evrry file? |
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| 11:08.31 | crashbg | Guerin, it has batch processing |
| 11:08.37 | Guerin | if you just want to convert and downsample them, use a shell script |
| 11:08.40 | resiak | InitMass: Debian's urxvt is built without the frills compile-time option, so -bl doesn't work unless you recompile it. |
| 11:08.49 | sep | WorkerII: http://www.nongnu.org/ext2-doc/ it was by the way in the first page of hits on google |
| 11:08.50 | directhex|work | Guerin, my point is that not a penny you pay goes towards the artists, and their limited loophole in russial law applies only to russian law. if you're gonna get illegal music, at least get it free from kazaa |
| 11:08.59 | crashbg | and i don't want to convert all of them, just 10% maybe |
| 11:09.14 | crashbg | only what i choose |
| 11:10.24 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Nobody pays royalties directly to artists. |
| 11:10.41 | InitMass | resiak, oh that's why. i am using ubuntu and i guess the same goes for ubuntu |
| 11:10.49 | InitMass | as for debian |
| 11:10.51 | PerfDave | InitMass: #ubuntu |
| 11:10.54 | directhex|work | PerfDave, nor, in this case, to record labels |
| 11:11.08 | PerfDave | directhex|work: \/\/hatever |
| 11:11.09 | InitMass | PerfDave, i'm in there too |
| 11:11.12 | resiak | InitMass: Why are you asking on here? |
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| 11:11.17 | InitMass | PerfDave, but people in here are more skilled |
| 11:11.26 | InitMass | resiak, ^^ |
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| 11:11.33 | Delph | you're paying the russian company so you're legal; you should seperatley pay the artists because it's moral. |
| 11:11.37 | resiak | InitMass: See #ubuntu. |
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| 11:11.51 | PerfDave | InitMass: Yes, we're skilled enough to be running Debian. Failure of #ubuntu to support Ubuntu doesn't make it #debian's problem. |
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| 11:12.19 | streuner | InitMass: /j #ubuntu |
| 11:12.36 | resiak | 12:12 < InitMass> resiak, ok but often i get faster answer in debian |
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| 11:12.39 | InitMass | PerfDave, :P |
| 11:12.46 | resiak | kurumin: #kurumin |
| 11:12.50 | ruski | wow .. ipv6 was easy for debian .. apt-get install freenet6 |
| 11:12.57 | Mash | hallo |
| 11:12.58 | kurumin | ola |
| 11:13.14 | Guerin | the russian company is supposedly legal. They claim to be, and they've not been shut down or sanctioned by anyone meaningful. Our responsibility is discharged at this point. If the company fails to pay royalties or whatever to those to whom they're due, that's not our issue as consumers. |
| 11:13.18 | kurumin | protugues brasil |
| 11:13.28 | streuner | talk english |
| 11:13.44 | PerfDave | !br |
| 11:13.44 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:13.45 | PerfDave | !kurumin |
| 11:13.46 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 11:13.57 | directhex|work | Guerin, they were stormed by the russian police a few months back, and in court argued they're allowed to sell music on a technicality specific to domestic russian law |
| 11:14.09 | Guerin | directhex|work: oh, linkage? |
| 11:14.11 | PerfDave | Guerin: We may have a moral responsibility to support vendors who better reward artists, but not a legal one. |
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| 11:14.35 | Guerin | PerfDave: and then there's the **AA |
| 11:14.56 | PerfDave | It's not like you can actually buy major label music in a way that rewards artists, so I'm quite happy not giving money to the record labels and buying merch at gigs. |
| 11:14.58 | kurumin | hello! |
| 11:15.19 | Guerin | PerfDave: yeah. |
| 11:15.26 | directhex|work | http://slate.msn.com/id/2115868/ |
| 11:15.28 | kurumin | i am rrazilian |
| 11:15.38 | kurumin | brasilian |
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| 11:15.45 | PerfDave | Or just buying music from decent independent labels like Wasp Factory. |
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| 11:16.21 | kurumin | Alguem fala portugues? |
| 11:16.35 | Guerin | kurumin: #debian-br |
| 11:16.45 | sussudio | !kurumin |
| 11:16.45 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 11:16.47 | PerfDave | !tell kurumin -about kurumin |
| 11:16.51 | PerfDave | !tell kurumin -about br |
| 11:17.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:17.15 | Guerin | #debian-br no ood either |
| 11:17.22 | directhex|work | the only digital music i buy online is directly from warp records' online store, due to its DRM-free LAME --alt-preset standard tracks |
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| 11:20.38 | PerfDave | Mmm, convincing. "allofmp3.com isn't legal because the music industry say it isn't" :) |
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| 11:23.54 | torc | what is the package name of the microsoft ttf fonts for X? |
| 11:24.09 | WorkerII | sep: Thank you very much! What keywords did you give google? I only get manure when I search! |
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| 11:24.21 | Josh__ | urrrr, i did the ftp install |
| 11:24.25 | Guerin | WorkerII: manure in, manure out |
| 11:24.27 | Josh__ | and updated and installed everything |
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| 11:24.34 | Josh__ | but there is no like desktop |
| 11:24.35 | Josh__ | i did |
| 11:24.38 | WorkerII | sep: (maybe because I wrote ext3) |
| 11:24.39 | Josh__ | apt-get install gnome |
| 11:24.50 | directhex|work | torc, msttcorefonts |
| 11:24.50 | Guerin | !tell Josh__ about enter |
| 11:24.56 | Josh__ | but i dont know how to start it |
| 11:25.00 | torc | directhex|work: thanks. |
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| 11:25.21 | PerfDave | Josh__: You probably want to install X as well. |
| 11:25.29 | resiak | !faq Josh__ |
| 11:25.30 | dpkg | Josh__: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 11:25.39 | WorkerII | sep: Nope .. the same if I use "ext2 time atime mtime ctime". |
| 11:26.01 | WorkerII | sep: (Well, not exactly the same, but I still don't get your good link). |
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| 11:28.25 | Josh__ | o ok, im figureing it out |
| 11:28.26 | Josh__ | thanks |
| 11:29.08 | sep | WorkerII: ext2 documentation |
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| 11:32.15 | sep | WorkerII: that's what your searching for and it's the first hit. google is the best :) |
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| 11:32.51 | WorkerII | dpkg: support is also http://www.gnu.org/prep/service.html |
| 11:32.52 | dpkg | is also http://www.gnu.org/prep/service.html is the BEST |
| 11:33.12 | resiak | Hahaha. |
| 11:33.16 | WorkerII | sep: I really suck at using google. |
| 11:33.25 | sep | WorkerII: affermative |
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| 11:33.56 | WorkerII | http://www.nongnu.org/ext2-doc/ext2.html#I-ATIME |
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| 11:34.02 | WorkerII | Thats the exact answer. |
| 11:34.24 | WorkerII | sep: Are you really norwegian, or are you just using a norwegian hostmask? |
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| 11:34.54 | sep | I'm norwegian |
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| 11:38.17 | WorkerII | sep: Just wondered .. because usually its mostly native english people who are skilled as google searchers. |
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| 11:38.56 | WorkerII | sep: I assume you're quite skilled with english language yourself! |
| 11:39.02 | kikaz | i need install rcd, and i didnt find it frouth the dselect |
| 11:39.15 | kikaz | where is rcd? |
| 11:39.17 | sep | WorkerII: norwegians have english from 3rd grade |
| 11:39.25 | s-toned | kmail on my first installation keeps the passphrase for a minute or so, the other installation on the other machine does not |
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| 11:39.41 | s-toned | where is the config to settle this? |
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| 11:40.06 | s-toned | kgpg isn't it |
| 11:40.07 | WorkerII | sep: Ahh! That explains a few things! |
| 11:40.43 | WorkerII | sep: Still .. thanks for doing my googling .. I don't think I would have guessed the magic words myself today. ;-) |
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| 11:43.03 | bato_29 | bonjour |
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| 11:47.02 | bato_29 | quelqu'un peut il m'aider pour une installation i386? |
| 11:47.03 | Putiikki | !fr |
| 11:47.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:47.04 | erfalko | hi, what's the file of library's path? |
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| 11:47.04 | _flosch | hi |
| 11:47.04 | bato_29 | merci dpkg |
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| 11:47.05 | erfalko | hi, what's the file of library's path? |
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| 11:47.15 | erfalko | ..the file that list all the library directory |
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| 11:49.25 | InitMass | if i have downloaded like this apt-get sources appname. edited the debian/rules. and what's the next step? |
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| 11:51.16 | timo | InitMass, make sure you have build dependencies satisfied |
| 11:51.37 | timo | InitMass, then e.g. 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' to make a deb out of it |
| 11:51.43 | InitMass | timo, how? |
| 11:51.45 | timo | there are other ways, but I can't remember them |
| 11:51.57 | InitMass | timo, why fakeroot? |
| 11:51.58 | timo | InitMass, apt-get builddep appname |
| 11:52.00 | WorkerII | timo: debbuild? |
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| 11:52.07 | WorkerII | InitMass: because :) |
| 11:52.20 | timo | WorkerII, maybe. I use the fakeroot approach |
| 11:52.39 | WorkerII | timo: debbuilder requires fakeroot - so I think it uses it. |
| 11:52.48 | WorkerII | s/think/guess/g |
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| 11:52.56 | WorkerII | ;) |
| 11:53.00 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 11:53.22 | timo | WorkerII, 'apt-cache search debbuild' returns nothing for me |
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| 11:53.34 | WorkerII | timo: Hmm .. lemme check |
| 11:53.45 | InitMass | WorkerII, debian/rules binary timo |
| 11:53.58 | InitMass | timo, WorkerII make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make'. Stop. |
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| 11:54.04 | timo | WorkerII, debian-builder? |
| 11:54.17 | ribnitz | I have a printer (HP Laserjet 2100M) thats connected to my comp using parallel interface. However that printer has too little memory for some print jobs. What screws can I turn in cups to remedy the situation? |
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| 11:55.10 | sep | lower resolution would be obvious i guess |
| 11:55.12 | timo | InitMass, install dpatch |
| 11:55.22 | ribnitz | timo: dpatch? |
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| 11:55.36 | WorkerII | timo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 11:55.55 | ribnitz | sep: no way of doing the preprocessing on the comp? |
| 11:55.59 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Doesn't it understand postscript? |
| 11:56.07 | ribnitz | WorkerII: it does. |
| 11:56.17 | WorkerII | ribnitz: I have the 2200d :) |
| 11:56.22 | timo | ribnitz, dpatch |
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| 11:56.42 | ctmnz | what is the best way to make load balancing on dual procesor xeon ? |
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| 11:56.50 | ribnitz | WorkerII: its just that for "heavier" jobs it has too little mem (with 8mb) |
| 11:56.50 | WorkerII | ribnitz: If its like mine, you can tear off the side, and plug in more ram --- be sure to avoid statical electiricity and turn off the power first though. |
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| 11:57.21 | ribnitz | WorkerII: Ever looked at what kinda ram you need? |
| 11:57.33 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Looks like standard 72 pins to me. |
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| 11:57.43 | ribnitz | WorkerII: its not. its 100 pins. |
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| 11:58.06 | jason_123 | are there any basic video editing free packages for linux? I'm looking for something just to string together a bunch of bitmaps/pngs into an avi or mpeg file |
| 11:58.09 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Oh? Thats odd .. I thought they upgraded the pins to 160 when they upgraded? |
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| 11:58.51 | ribnitz | WorkerII: they went from 72 to 144 then to 160, and finally 200. however there's also a 100 pin variant around. |
| 11:58.53 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Anyhow .. I would guess that 8 MB should be plenty for any job fitting on one page .. |
| 11:59.27 | ribnitz | WorkerII: It aint, since of that 8mb, about 3 mb is taken by the postscript. |
| 11:59.41 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Sometimes a PCL job takes up less memory than a postscript one, esp. if the source is really a bitmapped picture file. |
| 12:00.04 | ribnitz | WorkerII: you mean having it print pcl might work? |
| 12:00.52 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Don't switch for the general case though .. in most cases you'll prefer postscript .. but in case of heavy graphics, you might want PCL5 or whatever PCL version the 2100 supports. |
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| 12:01.31 | ribnitz | WorkerII: if it was for me, I'd prefer two 16 mb ram chips |
| 12:01.34 | jason_123 | does anyone know the name of the gimp companion program for animations? |
| 12:01.35 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Actually your HP might support the HP plotter language .. I dunno if thats better in your case. |
| 12:01.49 | ribnitz | WorkerII: hpgl? |
| 12:01.59 | WorkerII | ribnitz: Possibly .. can't recall the name off hand. |
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| 12:02.41 | quitte_ | how can i extract the content of a deb, change the control files and pack it together again? |
| 12:03.04 | jm_ | quitte_: ar |
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| 12:03.16 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 12:03.20 | qpee | hi i've installed a new kernel, edited the grub.conf, but how should i make grub take the new information out of its config-file? i mean for lilo i just ran /sbin/lilo and done; but what about grub? |
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| 12:03.49 | quitte_ | jm_ thanks |
| 12:03.49 | InitMass | what's wrong with this command apt-get sources aterm ? |
| 12:03.49 | jm_ | qpee: GRUB does that automatically, no need to run anything |
| 12:03.53 | WorkerII | quitte: apt-get source $package ; cd $package$version ; change files ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ; cd .. ; dpkg -i $package$new_version |
| 12:04.01 | jm_ | quitte_: be careful when packing it together though |
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| 12:04.31 | qpee | jm_: hmm, then i did something wrong as in the boot menue i don't see the new linux-kernel, although i configured it |
| 12:04.52 | PitchForkLinux | morning all. need a little help. Had running sarge system with 2.6 kernel... then did an apt-get upgrade. Now xserver won't start. shows mouse device pointer error. /dev/input/mice. reran dpkg-reconfig and still a no go.. any help here |
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| 12:05.29 | bluedwarf | moin :) |
| 12:05.42 | qpee | jm_: hmm, i right now see that there is a menu.lst in the /boot dir besides a grub.conf which obvisoulsy is not being used |
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| 12:05.50 | WorkerII | bluedwarf: Moin :) |
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| 12:06.03 | WorkerII | bluedwarf: Are you a genuine synnejyde? |
| 12:06.48 | WorkerII | bluedwarf: Hmm .. judging from your hostmask, I guess not. ;-) |
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| 12:07.04 | jm_ | qpee: grub.conf is a symlink, but it looks for /boot/grub/menu.lst by default |
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| 12:08.33 | qpee | jm_: well it's no ln for my system :( . but i've edited the menue.lst right now. thanks for the hint, i found the problem faster like that |
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| 12:08.59 | bluedwarf | WorkerII: caught, i'm not |
| 12:09.12 | zulkifar | Hi. Is there an mp3 player with windowed UI for text mode? (frontend for mpg123 for example) |
| 12:09.13 | quitte_ | jm_ how do i pack it together? |
| 12:09.33 | jethro | quitte_: man ar |
| 12:09.41 | WorkerII | bluedwarf: Do you also say "moin" in .ch ? (Wherever that might be). ;-) |
| 12:09.46 | WorkerII | !ch |
| 12:09.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, ch is Switzerland |
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| 12:09.52 | jm_ | quitte_: ar |
| 12:10.05 | WorkerII | !jl |
| 12:10.23 | WorkerII | !gl |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gl is Graphics Language or -Generation Language.(ask me about openGL), or good luck |
| 12:10.40 | jethro | WorkerII: /msg the bot please |
| 12:10.43 | s-toned | jason_123: man animate (belongs to imagemagick) |
| 12:10.50 | WorkerII | !gl is also the contry code for Grønland |
| 12:10.51 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, WorkerII |
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| 12:10.53 | dhuv | hello all |
| 12:10.54 | bluedwarf | WorkerII: yes, we do...-> CH |
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| 12:11.13 | WorkerII | bluedwarf: Cool :-) |
| 12:11.15 | dhuv | i was wondering how i can remove all setting for ximian evolution |
| 12:11.25 | dhuv | i want to basically start from scratch |
| 12:11.36 | WorkerII | !gl is also the contry code for Groenland - and oslash is by no means "illegal"! |
| 12:11.37 | dpkg | okay, WorkerII |
| 12:11.38 | jethro | dhuv: remove the .evolution folder in your $HOME or whatever they named it |
| 12:11.44 | maxxle | Can someony tell me what a System.map File is used for with simple words?? |
| 12:11.59 | sussudio | !fgi maxxle System.map |
| 12:12.00 | dpkg | maxxle: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=System.map |
| 12:12.00 | dhuv | jethro: tried that, but evolution still remmebers what accounts i setup before |
| 12:12.41 | WorkerII | dhuv: which version of evolution did you have? |
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| 12:12.58 | maxxle | sussudio: I think that is really usefull - thx ;)) |
| 12:13.15 | dhuv | i have 2.0.4 but i upgraded by accident to 2.2 before |
| 12:13.22 | dhuv | i removed everything and setup 2.0.4 |
| 12:13.25 | WorkerII | dhuv: The current version is Novels rather than Ximian, but they had different versions .. |
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| 12:13.44 | dhuv | basically i am having problems with the exchange plugin |
| 12:14.10 | dhuv | and wanted to start from scratch, i removed evolution completely and reinstalled |
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| 12:14.28 | WorkerII | dhuv: Try make a new user ... |
| 12:14.40 | sceig | which file must be modified in order to change the default directory for ftpd ? (i'm on sarge) |
| 12:14.41 | WorkerII | dhuv: save its homedir .. to compare .. |
| 12:14.43 | dhuv | but i have lots of other stuff setup for this user :) |
| 12:14.48 | dhuv | oh ok |
| 12:14.59 | dhuv | ok i will try that |
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| 12:15.25 | Guerin | sceig: if you don't know this, and aren't able to find it out for yourself, you're not qualified to run a ftp server |
| 12:15.31 | jethro | dpkg: gl =~ s/contry/country/ |
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| 12:15.32 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
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| 12:15.40 | WorkerII | dhuv: Good luck :) |
| 12:15.40 | dhuv | does anyone know when the latest evolution with exchange plugin will be available for unstable? |
| 12:15.53 | WorkerII | dhuv: Its available in a seperate package. |
| 12:15.55 | Guerin | dhuv: when it's ready |
| 12:16.32 | WorkerII | dhuv: apt-get install evolution-exchange |
| 12:16.52 | WorkerII | dhuv: and "apt-get install evolution-plugins" while you're at it. ;-) |
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| 12:19.10 | WorkerII | dhuv: I'm not quite sure why it was decided to put it in a seperate package. |
| 12:19.29 | WorkerII | dhuv: I don't use the thing myself. |
| 12:19.38 | WorkerII | dhuv: (Exchange, that is) |
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| 12:19.47 | dhuv | WorkerII: the problem is that evolution is at 2.2 but evolution-exchange is at 2.0 |
| 12:19.56 | dhuv | it doesnt work the way it is right now |
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| 12:20.36 | WorkerII | dhuv: The dependency says it accepts evolution 2.0.something or greater? |
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| 12:20.50 | PerfDave | "packages in unstable with broken dependencies". Film at 11. |
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| 12:21.05 | WorkerII | dhuv: Maybe its a bug.. |
| 12:21.18 | dhuv | WorkerII: definetly |
| 12:21.26 | dhuv | PerfDave: you are right, i expect it from unstable |
| 12:21.36 | dhuv | but i need to report it and get it fixed |
| 12:21.40 | dhuv | but i dont know where or how |
| 12:21.47 | WorkerII | PerfDave: Are you brittish or us-american? |
| 12:21.51 | dhuv | i have been asking here |
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| 12:22.24 | WorkerII | dhuv: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303647&archive=False&mbox=no |
| 12:22.35 | dhuv | i have also emailed the maintainers of the evolution-exchange package but no luck |
| 12:23.13 | WorkerII | dhuv: Maybe try the evolution in experimental? |
| 12:23.30 | dhuv | WorkerII: tried that, the dependencies are all screwed up |
| 12:23.32 | Guerin | dhuv: wait. It'll get fixed given time. |
| 12:23.43 | DonDiego | bye |
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| 12:23.50 | dhuv | Guerin: thats the thing, how much is given time |
| 12:23.50 | Guerin | if there are bugs filed against it, there's fuck all you can do. |
| 12:24.02 | Guerin | dhuv: why, enough time, naturally |
| 12:24.10 | WorkerII | dhuv: Using an exchange server would be considered experimental under all circumstances. The maintainer of this package, is not known for his ability to fix bugs quickly, I'm afraid... |
| 12:24.19 | Guerin | |<---------->| this much, maybe |
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| 12:24.38 | jethro | Guerin: Id say about 13,78 worth of time |
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| 12:24.51 | Guerin | jethro: that's not very much of my time |
| 12:25.03 | Guerin | though i'm guessing the unit |
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| 12:25.10 | Delph | dhuv: you could go and fix the bug yourself, or hire someone to fix the bug for you. |
| 12:25.12 | jethro | heh |
| 12:25.14 | WorkerII | dhuv: Maybe do your own install from a fresh novel download? |
| 12:25.51 | dhuv | WorkerII: i tried to compile but so many dependencie errors, i will try to compile everything when i get a chance |
| 12:25.58 | WorkerII | dhuv: I guess I'm using the unstable evolution, but only because I'm not hit by any serious bugs. |
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| 12:26.55 | dhuv | WorkerII: evolution itself is great, just the plugin, and just in debian |
| 12:26.55 | WorkerII | dhuv: Check the dependencies for evolution .. install all the "-dev" packages of the libraries it needs. Also try auto-apt or what its called. |
| 12:26.55 | dhuv | a while ago i tried a live cd from some distro and they have evolution with the exchange plugin working just fine |
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| 12:27.01 | WorkerII | There is a program that will tell you what libs you need. |
| 12:27.15 | dhuv | WorkerII: i will check out auto-apt, thanks |
| 12:27.51 | dhuv | i am surprised that there are no package for debian, it is supposed to be widely used no? |
| 12:28.06 | PerfDave | dhuv: Download the source package, cut out the 2.0 upstream source, stick in the 2.2 upstream source, built the package. |
| 12:28.06 | dhuv | the ubuntu packages wont work i think |
| 12:28.06 | WorkerII | dhuv: debian people generally don't care much about evolution. They tend to think that everybody who does not use mutt or Gnus should be tortured and shot. |
| 12:28.12 | conrad10781 | In the bootcd package, the bootcdwrite.conf has a line FLOPPY_RUNTIME_DEV. It seems I can't just #comment it out. The system I am on doesn't have a floppy, and if /dev/fd0 is selected it won't boot past it. Is there any idea to what i can do |
| 12:28.13 | Guerin | jesus fucking christ on a pogo stick |
| 12:28.21 | Guerin | there are no packages, deal |
| 12:28.27 | PerfDave | WorkerII: No, people who don't use mutt should be shot ;) |
| 12:28.35 | WorkerII | PerfDave: :) |
| 12:28.46 | PerfDave | (he says, using Thunderbird) |
| 12:28.49 | dhuv | WorkerII: lol, i personally like webmail, but we have excahnge at work (which sucks) and the outlook web access sucks even more |
| 12:28.58 | WorkerII | dpkg: shoot PerfDave |
| 12:29.05 | CrypticSquared | hey can anyone help with debian and a powerbook (oldworld) |
| 12:29.15 | WorkerII | :) |
| 12:29.25 | WorkerII | dpkg: revive PerfDave |
| 12:29.26 | directhex|work | snake! |
| 12:29.40 | WorkerII | oh well :-P |
| 12:30.36 | WorkerII | dhuv: Ok .. hope I wont get shot for this .. but you could ask in #ubuntu if ubuntu has a working evolution 2.2 with exchange plugin! |
| 12:31.28 | dhuv | does anyone know of a toturial that introduces aptitude to beginners, i am new to debian and would like to use it on my servers, but i dont have synaptic package manager like i have on my laptop |
| 12:31.34 | jharrisonwk | wow |
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| 12:31.35 | WorkerII | dhuv: Chances are you can install in the package on your debian system .. but the result would off course be unsupported. |
| 12:31.38 | jharrisonwk | its good not to live in canada |
| 12:31.41 | conrad10781 | nevermind i think i got it just use FLOPPY_RUNTIME_DEV="" if anyone else runs into that |
| 12:31.41 | jharrisonwk | Canadians May Face 25% Download Tariff |
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| 12:31.51 | Guerin | dhuv: man aptitude? |
| 12:32.02 | jm_ | dhuv: aptitude-doc-en |
| 12:32.03 | dhuv | Guerin: anything besides that |
| 12:32.04 | evo_ | hmmm... my ndiswapper module won't load correctly during boot.... it doesn't see the pcmcia I think. Anyone else had that problem? |
| 12:32.10 | Guerin | WorkerII: actually, chances are he can't |
| 12:32.20 | dhuv | jm_: i recently saw that in the updates, i will try that |
| 12:32.29 | WorkerII | Guerin: How come? |
| 12:32.32 | Guerin | WorkerII: recommend asking about ubuntu, fine. Don't recommend people use ubuntu packages. |
| 12:32.47 | Guerin | WorkerII: because ford parts don't fit a mazda? |
| 12:33.10 | WorkerII | Guerin: Still .. debian is the pebble that ubuntu is build on, right? |
| 12:33.15 | PerfDave | !debian based |
| 12:33.15 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 12:33.29 | PerfDave | WorkerII: More like Debian is the granite from which Ubuntu is carved, smaller and more delicate ;) |
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| 12:33.37 | WorkerII | PerfDave: :) |
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| 12:33.54 | Guerin | WorkerII: yeah, and mandrake is based on red hat... are they package-compatible? |
| 12:34.02 | WorkerII | Guerin: No idea. |
| 12:34.05 | Chameleon22 | does anyone know of any GUI app I could use to connect to checkpoint vpn using shared secrets rather then certificates? or anything really besides open swan. |
| 12:34.13 | WorkerII | Guerin: I would suppose that they are somewhat. |
| 12:34.15 | Guerin | WorkerII: s/ /idea.// |
| 12:34.24 | WorkerII | Guerin: Heck, debian can install rpm's. |
| 12:34.31 | Guerin | WorkerII: any compatibility is coincidental. |
| 12:35.19 | WorkerII | Guerin: Well .. a system that works by coincidnece still works, right? |
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| 12:35.27 | WorkerII | coincidence. |
| 12:35.44 | Guerin | WorkerII: but you told him it would probably work, knowing nothing about whether it would. |
| 12:35.48 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 12:35.48 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 12:35.58 | Guerin | WorkerII: in other words, you're full of shit. |
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| 12:36.05 | dhuv | Guerin: i know it wont work |
| 12:36.12 | WorkerII | dhuv: You tried? |
| 12:36.32 | tarzeau | wtf are .desktop files ? |
| 12:36.39 | tarzeau | i don't use gnome. |
| 12:36.40 | Guerin | tarzeau: stupid little scriptlets |
| 12:36.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: like symlinks |
| 12:36.54 | dhuv | WorkerII: i tried to install evolution 2.2 from debian and get evolution-exchange from somewhere else but dependencies were broken |
| 12:36.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: why do idiots ask me to create that shit when i do debian menu files already? |
| 12:36.58 | WorkerII | Guerin: No, I'm not full of anything physically disgusting, I am giving my thoughts on this .. |
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| 12:37.24 | Guerin | WorkerII: and your thoughts on this matter are worth ... shit. You're guessing. Don't. |
| 12:37.25 | lnxgrl | anyone an idea if there is some hidden lynx option to set the ip it uses ? |
| 12:37.26 | WorkerII | dhuv: You would need both packages from same source, I guess. But maybe it would be better if you could switch to Ubuntu .. I don't know your millage. |
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| 12:37.31 | libpcp | hi all |
| 12:37.32 | libpcp | in the command top, i would like to dump the result to a file, how can i do that? |
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| 12:37.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: hell if I know. In your packages? |
| 12:37.58 | WorkerII | Guerin: Well .. you can't offer a solution, so maybe my guessing is worth more? |
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| 12:37.59 | PDani | hi |
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| 12:38.07 | PDani | WARNING: XFree86 VMODE extension not found, Wine will be built without it |
| 12:38.21 | WorkerII | Guerin: mutt happens to not support exchange, afaik. |
| 12:38.23 | PDani | what's that "VMODE xtension"? |
| 12:38.25 | PerfDave | libpcp: You want to look for a shell tutorial |
| 12:38.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: yeah |
| 12:38.34 | greycat | PerfDave: he asked #qmail first, and then #bash |
| 12:38.38 | Guerin | WorkerII: no, it's not. He's been told solutions. Wait; build your own, change distros, fix the bug yourself, or do without. |
| 12:38.38 | dhuv | WorkerII: i dont mind the guess, this is after all an experiment, i am on unstable |
| 12:38.55 | greycat | god only knows why he asked #qmail |
| 12:39.02 | tarzeau | Guerin: some users also want icons added, hahah it's hilarious |
| 12:39.14 | lnxgrl | anyone an idea if there is some hidden lynx option to set the ip it uses ? |
| 12:39.16 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'm glad my window manager doesn't use ugly icons (xpm, yuck) |
| 12:39.30 | tarzeau | like 16 colors, 32x32 and no alpha .. hahaha, like 1989 |
| 12:39.54 | WorkerII | dhuv: Thats what I thought .. beware that my suggestions might break your system badly though. |
| 12:40.05 | Guerin | tarzeau: echo "contributions welcome :)" |mailx -s "thanks for your requests" complaining@bastards.org |
| 12:40.10 | greycat | lnxgrl: sounds like a LARTC thing to me. http://lartc.org/ |
| 12:40.16 | dhuv | i know, i work with unstable, it can break anytime |
| 12:40.19 | WorkerII | dhuv: Guerin is right in correcting me .. generally its bad to give advise like I did. |
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| 12:40.28 | dhuv | i just come here for suggestions, not someplace to cry |
| 12:40.38 | lnxgrl | thanks gonan check that |
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| 12:41.18 | dhuv | WorkerII: well perhaps if a hack works it would be good for now :) dont want to go through the trouble of switching distros, and i like debian |
| 12:41.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: i mean if they could at least provide a patch or the .dsktop file by themselves |
| 12:41.55 | sergio | ols |
| 12:41.58 | sergio | ola |
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| 12:42.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah. |
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| 12:42.28 | sergio | hello, bonjour, hi, hola |
| 12:42.32 | directhex|work | dhuv, i come here for someplace to cry, not for suggestions |
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| 12:42.40 | tarzeau | directhex|work: heh |
| 12:43.49 | dhuv | directhex|work: lol |
| 12:43.57 | lnxgrl | hm is ther eno easier way? |
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| 12:44.10 | dhuv | sergio_: arent hello and hi in the same language? |
| 12:44.19 | dhuv | or is one british english and the other american |
| 12:44.29 | resiak | lnxgrl: What do you mean, set the IP that lynx uses? |
| 12:44.34 | quitte_ | is there a way to slice a disk for a bsd install with a linux tool? |
| 12:44.39 | greycat | lnxgrl: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 12:44.43 | PerfDave | lnxgrl: What are you actually trying to do? lynx will use the IP of the correct interface for connecting to the site you want. |
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| 12:45.36 | Darkslide | whew |
| 12:45.43 | Darkslide | i need some help here guys |
| 12:45.46 | lnxgrl | hmm |
| 12:45.49 | lnxgrl | i have 200 ips |
| 12:45.53 | lnxgrl | and want to use different ones |
| 12:45.57 | streuner | Darkslide: just ask |
| 12:46.00 | lnxgrl | so the connect() should just choose another one |
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| 12:46.03 | Darkslide | mmmk |
| 12:46.08 | Darkslide | so this my first time |
| 12:46.09 | Darkslide | installing |
| 12:46.10 | Darkslide | it |
| 12:46.19 | lnxgrl | in principe very easy task (i thought) |
| 12:46.21 | resiak | lnxgrl: Your ethernet interface is using 200 ips? |
| 12:46.30 | kanzure | Does anybody know of some good linux telephony software? |
| 12:46.33 | PerfDave | !enter |
| 12:46.33 | resiak | !tell Darkslide -about enter |
| 12:46.33 | lnxgrl | ye |
| 12:46.33 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 12:46.35 | jm_ | no, you don't do that with connect() |
| 12:46.37 | lnxgrl | eth0:1-200 |
| 12:46.39 | PerfDave | kanzure: To do what? |
| 12:46.46 | resiak | lnxgrl: Why, pray? |
| 12:46.56 | cafuego | lnxgrl: See if lynx uses a bind() call to use a specific IP. if not, yout'r SOL. |
| 12:47.00 | kanzure | PerfDave: Voice Mail, "menus" (Press 1 to do x... etc), .. ? |
| 12:47.07 | Darkslide | and im having a lil bit of scatching my head, because i cant find out how to make the desktop |
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| 12:47.10 | Darkslide | or whatever |
| 12:47.12 | PerfDave | kanzure: Asterisk is probably what you want to do. |
| 12:47.14 | Darkslide | its always in dos |
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| 12:47.16 | resiak | !tell Darkslide -about enter |
| 12:47.17 | Darkslide | mode |
| 12:47.19 | PerfDave | Darkslide: "make the desktop"? |
| 12:47.20 | resiak | !faq Darkslide |
| 12:47.21 | dpkg | Darkslide: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:47.24 | lnxgrl | ye you'r right jm, it's the routing;/ |
| 12:47.34 | lnxgrl | how do you do that? |
| 12:47.38 | kanzure | PerfDave: I looked at the side, it doesn't seem to be that helpful; Do you know of a tutorial or a site that shows how to config and what it can do once installed? |
| 12:47.39 | lnxgrl | aah bind |
| 12:47.39 | lnxgrl | yes |
| 12:47.50 | resiak | Darkslide: As root, apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment gdm x-window-system |
| 12:47.52 | jm_ | lnxgrl: no, bind() |
| 12:47.58 | PerfDave | kanzure: Nope. I've not used it. |
| 12:47.58 | cafuego | man 2 bind |
| 12:48.04 | lnxgrl | hmm no bind() |
| 12:48.09 | Darkslide | that the exact command? |
| 12:48.11 | PerfDave | Darkslide: Did you select the "Desktop Environment" option while installing? |
| 12:48.27 | Darkslide | yes, all the 3 times |
| 12:48.30 | PerfDave | Darkslide: apt-get install x-window-system kdm kde |
| 12:48.31 | cafuego | it's not that hard to add. |
| 12:48.33 | Darkslide | and it didnt work |
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| 12:48.36 | Darkslide | imnoob |
| 12:48.38 | PerfDave | Darkslide: Then you've probably got it installed, but it's not working. |
| 12:48.38 | Darkslide | O.o |
| 12:48.42 | PerfDave | Darkslide: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 12:49.13 | jonz | hi - does anyone happen to know what device the drive will show up as on a SATA drive? will it still be hda, sda,... ? i'm getting some new machines in later and trying to provision an install script. |
| 12:49.32 | PerfDave | I think SATA drives are handled by SCSI drivers, from what I've been reading |
| 12:49.34 | Darkslide | alright i go try those |
| 12:49.35 | lnxgrl | anyone knows a simple browser that can be bound to a specific ip ? |
| 12:49.40 | greycat | lnxgrl: why? |
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| 12:50.03 | cafuego | lnxgrl: Why don't you just use an SNAT rule in your firewall? |
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| 12:50.30 | cafuego | SNAT tcp to remote port 80,433 |
| 12:50.53 | cafuego | Or even easier, bind squid to the IP you want, use squid as proxy. |
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| 12:51.24 | lnxgrl | cafuego: for non root users |
| 12:51.42 | lnxgrl | i want it very easy to chose an ip for the acutal user |
| 12:51.53 | cafuego | lnxgrl: That's trivial. |
| 12:52.02 | cafuego | lnxgrl: SNAR based on owner matching. |
| 12:52.06 | cafuego | SNAT too |
| 12:52.23 | jonz | so in the installer, sata would show up in /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 right? but after install will be mapped to /dev/sda ? |
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| 12:53.08 | cafuego | lnxgrl: That way, any packets outgoing owned by any specific user can be NATed to a specific address. |
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| 12:53.26 | Darkslide | wow thanks you guys rock. |
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| 12:54.14 | Darkslide | Turns out i was missing both things, the x-window-system and the gnome environment |
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| 12:54.28 | PerfDave | *sigh* Another one subjected to the horror that is Gnome. |
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| 12:54.34 | cafuego | PerfDave: oi. |
| 12:54.36 | PerfDave | I tried to save him. |
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| 12:54.39 | WorkerII | greycat: Well, I guess there a chance (a slight one, I agree), that he knows himself. ;-) |
| 12:54.59 | Darkslide | gnome is that bad? |
| 12:55.04 | systemadmin | how can i change a users shell permently from the command line? |
| 12:55.07 | cafuego | Darkslide: No, Gnome is fine. |
| 12:55.10 | WorkerII | Darkslide: To some it is. Not to me though. |
| 12:55.13 | resiak | Darkslide: So you didn't pick the desktop environment task? |
| 12:55.18 | PerfDave | Darkslide: It's a matter of opinion. Don't get put off Linux entirely if you don't like it, there are other options. |
| 12:55.18 | cafuego | systemadmin: 'chsh' |
| 12:55.24 | systemadmin | cool |
| 12:55.30 | Darkslide | mmm k |
| 12:55.31 | treestone | systemadmin: vi /etc/passwd should Just Work too. |
| 12:55.31 | systemadmin | KDE baby! |
| 12:55.33 | WorkerII | resiak: Don't! It reocommends the famine horror! |
| 12:55.38 | cafuego | treestone: BAD |
| 12:55.40 | cafuego | treestone: 'vipw' |
| 12:55.40 | icydragonclaw | how I find out vertical and horizontal refresh rates for a dell latitude l400? this laptop has 12.1" xga tft screen |
| 12:55.47 | treestone | cafuego: Why? |
| 12:55.49 | icydragonclaw | and ati mobility 4mb |
| 12:55.53 | cafuego | treestone: File locking |
| 12:55.53 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 12:55.53 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 12:56.01 | Darkslide | i go check if its done. |
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| 12:56.04 | systemadmin | treestone, yea i uualy do that but want to do it from shell script |
| 12:56.05 | icydragonclaw | thanks Guerin |
| 12:56.08 | resiak | WorkerII: Famine horror == udev? |
| 12:56.15 | cafuego | treestone: 'vipw' operates on a copy, then repalces when done. |
| 12:56.18 | lnxgrl | cafuego hmm ok, i'll think about it. but still snat is bound to root |
| 12:56.19 | WorkerII | treestone: Because you don't want to ruin a real system, if you're ever going to touch one. |
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| 12:56.24 | WorkerII | resiak: famd |
| 12:56.26 | lnxgrl | so users are bound to a ip and can't choose freely |
| 12:56.33 | treestone | cafuego: It's not particularly likely that there's a fight for editing /etc/passwd (or if it is, you have a problem..) |
| 12:56.37 | cafuego | lnxgrl: Root puts the rules in place yes. |
| 12:56.37 | PerfDave | famd > udev |
| 12:56.38 | WorkerII | resiak: It depends on something broken. |
| 12:56.40 | Shorty` | anyone know how to turn auto indent and syntax highlighing on/off in vim? :) |
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| 12:56.54 | PerfDave | Shorty`: Yes |
| 12:56.57 | jm_ | Shorty`: yes, many people do |
| 12:56.58 | WorkerII | Shorty`: nvi |
| 12:57.00 | cafuego | treestone: any user could be changing their password at any time |
| 12:57.03 | Guerin | Shorty`: you can too, if you read the help |
| 12:57.03 | Pappa | icydragonclaw: eXtended Grid Array. only one res ;) |
| 12:57.06 | WorkerII | !tell Shorty` about nvi |
| 12:57.07 | dhuv | is anyone using the 2.6.x kernel? i am having problems with apm and standby |
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| 12:57.15 | jharrisonwk | dudes |
| 12:57.18 | icydragonclaw | what's that Pappa ? |
| 12:57.25 | dhuv | it wont come back from standby |
| 12:57.30 | cafuego | Shorty`: via ;set <option> in ~/.vimrc or ~/.exrc |
| 12:57.30 | jharrisonwk | whats the difference between the athlon64 FX and the athlon64 |
| 12:57.32 | resiak | WorkerII: Ah, yes, the joyous famd. |
| 12:57.41 | cafuego | Shorty`: That's ':' not ';' |
| 12:57.43 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: FX |
| 12:57.49 | Darkslide | awww crap! |
| 12:57.50 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: price |
| 12:57.56 | icydragonclaw | fx better i think |
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| 12:58.03 | Shorty` | FX has more cache doesn't it? |
| 12:58.03 | Darkslide | how do i know what my mouse port is :( |
| 12:58.03 | cafuego | icydragonclaw: faster anyway |
| 12:58.05 | icydragonclaw | selling point is what's different maybe :) |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: a lot of money |
| 12:58.08 | Guerin | icydragonclaw: that's what they want you to think |
| 12:58.13 | icydragonclaw | ahah |
| 12:58.14 | jonz | woah i did a 'grep -r hda' / and it completely crashed my system |
| 12:58.18 | resiak | Shorty`: :set autoindent/noautoindent and :syntax enable/disable in .vimr |
| 12:58.23 | streuner | Darkslide: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 12:58.23 | icydragonclaw | I have regular athlon 64 at home ^^ |
| 12:58.24 | resiak | Shorty`: :set autoindent/noautoindent and :syntax enable/disable in .vimrc |
| 12:58.29 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: if you don't know what the difference is .. you'd be silly to get the FX :) |
| 12:58.29 | jharrisonwk | price? |
| 12:58.30 | jharrisonwk | thats it? |
| 12:58.32 | Darkslide | not usb |
| 12:58.34 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: if you're buying, the 64 vanilla will amaze you with speed and cheapidity ;-) |
| 12:58.34 | jonz | must have been from reading something in /dev |
| 12:58.36 | jm_ | does anyone else see fucked up fonts in firefox on http://w3m.sourceforge.net/index.en.html? |
| 12:58.36 | Shorty` | resiak: apreciated :) |
| 12:58.41 | streuner | Darkslide: /dev/psaux |
| 12:58.46 | Darkslide | thnx |
| 12:58.47 | jharrisonwk | im looking at the amd site and I dont see much of a difference between the two |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no .. IIRC .. the cache on the FX is a lot more .. but the price doesn't justify it IMO |
| 12:59.03 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: no, you buy extra performance for the exctra money on an FX, I'm just not conviced it's worth it for desktop users. |
| 12:59.14 | Guerin | jm_: 0 |
| 12:59.22 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: Do a google search on benchamrks and compare for yourself |
| 12:59.30 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the cache looks the same |
| 12:59.31 | jm_ | Guerin: is that "no"? |
| 12:59.32 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: what is this box for? |
| 12:59.37 | Pappa | jm_: yes, they are very fucked. |
| 12:59.38 | Guerin | jm_: 1 |
| 12:59.46 | resiak | Guerin++ |
| 12:59.50 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the 4000 athlon 64 has the same cache as the FX |
| 12:59.53 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:59.58 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im just looking |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: but wahat about the 4000 FX ? |
| 13:00.18 | jethro | jm_: fucked up as in ugly looking? |
| 13:00.21 | jm_ | seems to be content="text/html; charset=euc-jp", remove that and it displays fine (in a local file) |
| 13:00.23 | jm_ | jethro: indeed |
| 13:00.31 | jethro | jm_: you can count me then :)à |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9488^9532,00.html |
| 13:00.46 | Guerin | oh right |
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| 13:01.13 | icydragonclaw | jm_, fonts kosher for me |
| 13:01.32 | Guerin | i love the fact that the preferred fonts for asian charsets have ugly as sin latin characters |
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| 13:01.54 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: From what I can see, it gives you a 7% edge in 3D games |
| 13:02.07 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: if you look at the stuff for athlon64 .. it says 512 and 1MB models |
| 13:02.08 | jm_ | maybe it's because I have shitload of fonts installed, including many japanese ones |
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| 13:02.33 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: more than likely .. unless you're doing some intensive crap .. not worth the $$ |
| 13:02.47 | cafuego | jharrisonwk: For TWICE the price, according to this site. |
| 13:02.50 | icydragonclaw | i agree with abrotman |
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| 13:03.04 | icydragonclaw | you aren't going to be limited by the 64 bit processor I don't believe |
| 13:03.09 | icydragonclaw | it'll be ram video card etc |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | or disk |
| 13:03.37 | cafuego | yes, be sure you get an nvidia card with that |
| 13:03.39 | icydragonclaw | i have a desktop running fedora linux that I play world of warcraft in and my athlon 64 3000+ cranks it out |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | get a real video card .. Revolution #9! |
| 13:04.12 | cafuego | abrotman: Do those toys even HAVE 64bit drivers? |
| 13:04.15 | abrotman | Cirrus Logic! .. the best of the best .. S3!!!! |
| 13:04.29 | icydragonclaw | man voodoo was cool :) |
| 13:04.35 | PerfDave | World of Warcraft has a Linux client? |
| 13:04.41 | icydragonclaw | no PerfDave |
| 13:04.46 | cafuego | PerfDave: cedega in 32bit chroot |
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| 13:04.55 | PerfDave | Oh, cedega schmedega |
| 13:04.56 | icydragonclaw | I'm using transgaming.com's cedega |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | cafuego: i guess you'd have to ask the xfree or xorg people . i really don't know .. i haven't seen one in a long long time |
| 13:04.59 | icydragonclaw | yep :) |
| 13:05.00 | cafuego | PerfDave: (still outperforms windows) |
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| 13:05.14 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yeah, but I'm not going to buy a game if it doesn't have a Linux version. |
| 13:05.14 | icydragonclaw | yah I can vouge for that; it runs better in linux for me |
| 13:05.25 | abrotman | vouch |
| 13:05.27 | icydragonclaw | put ur foot down PerfDave :) |
| 13:05.30 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: apparently Athlon64 4000 is what was once Athlon64 FX-53 |
| 13:05.32 | jethro | !ur |
| 13:05.33 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 13:05.38 | icydragonclaw | thx abrotman |
| 13:05.39 | cafuego | PerfDave: I do. I buy games if they're made by Sid Meyer. |
| 13:05.41 | jharrisonwk | jm_: ah I see |
| 13:05.48 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/athlon64-fx55/index.x?pg=1 |
| 13:05.49 | PerfDave | cafuego: I've got Alpha Centauri for Linux :) |
| 13:05.59 | icydragonclaw | nothin against ur jethro :) |
| 13:06.04 | Guerin | sid meier made WoW? |
| 13:06.10 | icydragonclaw | ?! |
| 13:06.16 | cafuego | Guerin: No, but then, i don't run WoW. |
| 13:06.20 | Guerin | shit man |
| 13:06.23 | Guerin | i didn't think so |
| 13:06.37 | Guerin | despite being shit at it |
| 13:06.49 | cafuego | Guerin: You need to set reasonable goals. |
| 13:06.59 | icydragonclaw | i'm a blizzard fanboi so I played warcraft and starcraft but no civ :) |
| 13:07.12 | cafuego | Guerin: 1) World domination. 2) If the computer is playing the Americans, nuke the Americans. |
| 13:07.12 | systemadmin | lol |
| 13:07.17 | Guerin | all my students want me to play *craft |
| 13:07.20 | PerfDave | Blizzard schmizzard. |
| 13:07.23 | Guerin | cafuego: hehe |
| 13:07.23 | icydragonclaw | lol |
| 13:07.28 | systemadmin | blizzard battlenet sucks |
| 13:07.31 | cafuego | Those are my rules. |
| 13:07.35 | icydragonclaw | no way man that's free |
| 13:07.35 | jm_ | Guerin: they want to beat you ;) |
| 13:07.39 | icydragonclaw | b.net owns |
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| 13:07.50 | systemadmin | i have my own bnet |
| 13:07.56 | systemadmin | why play there |
| 13:08.02 | Guerin | jm_: oh, I know. They want to play me at soccer too... half of them are bigger than me, and they're only in middle school. |
| 13:08.12 | Guerin | the next generation of koreans are going to be giants |
| 13:08.13 | resiak | FreeCiv! |
| 13:08.25 | icydragonclaw | b/c their network has lots more ppl |
| 13:08.27 | jm_ | Guerin: football, not soccer ;) |
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| 13:08.38 | Guerin | jm_: in this country, it's soccer... sadly. |
| 13:08.39 | cafuego | Guerin: That's right, the dude whose parents live next to my relatives coached the Koreans eh! |
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| 13:08.46 | jm_ | Guerin: really? how silly |
| 13:08.48 | PerfDave | There was a Free port of Colonisation around, but it's non-Free because it requires Sun Java :/ |
| 13:08.51 | systemadmin | yea, but no login in 11 month lose all diablo 2 chars |
| 13:08.51 | Ra3eha | http://www.q8see.ws/ex/ra3eha.exe |
| 13:08.55 | Guerin | jm_: they learn everything from americans. |
| 13:09.03 | sussudio | Ra3eha: fuck off |
| 13:09.09 | Ra3eha | lopl |
| 13:09.11 | Ra3eha | lol |
| 13:09.12 | Ra3eha | :> |
| 13:09.23 | Guerin | cafuego: eh? |
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| 13:09.27 | sussudio | !ops Ra3eha |
| 13:09.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Ra3eha |
| 13:09.32 | cafuego | Guerin: Guus Hiddink |
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| 13:09.35 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:09.42 | Guerin | he's a household name here |
| 13:09.53 | Ra3eha | http://www.q8see.ws/ex/ra3eha.exe <----- Sex kuwait and usa |
| 13:09.59 | cafuego | Guerin: he's from where I'm from. His parents in Varsseveld live next to my cousin. |
| 13:10.10 | icydragonclaw | exe? |
| 13:10.12 | Guerin | whenever I toll people I'm from new zealand, they think I said 'netherlands', and ask me if I know Hiddink |
| 13:10.14 | cafuego | Ra3eha: please go spam and troll somewhere else. |
| 13:10.20 | biggi_mat | it a ddos bot |
| 13:10.22 | biggi_mat | drone |
| 13:10.23 | biggi_mat | whatever |
| 13:10.33 | biggi_mat | and yes, Ra3eha is lamer |
| 13:10.38 | icydragonclaw | lol |
| 13:10.40 | jethro | Ra3eha: 404! |
| 13:10.44 | sussudio | alindeman: can you remove Ra3eha? |
| 13:10.44 | Ra3eha | :) |
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| 13:10.45 | Guerin | hahah |
| 13:10.48 | Ra3eha | hahaha |
| 13:10.51 | streuner | jethro: haha |
| 13:10.53 | Ra3eha | fuck u |
| 13:10.55 | Ra3eha | :) |
| 13:11.09 | icydragonclaw | ahah |
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| 13:11.13 | Guerin | Ra3eha: too late, mate... you're already fucked |
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| 13:11.19 | jethro | Ra3eha: if you're going to provide malware, make sure it's there before you give any link moron |
| 13:11.50 | Ra3eha | see FLooD Ok |
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| 13:12.55 | sussudio | LoRez: can you get rid of Ra3eha? |
| 13:13.12 | systemadmin | anyone know a nice programin editor for kde? |
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| 13:13.16 | Guerin | systemadmin: emacs |
| 13:13.17 | mwelsh | has anyone here put debian on a system with a microATX motherboard? |
| 13:13.17 | suifur | !fuck kde |
| 13:13.19 | jethro | LoRez: taht would be very nice, and would prevent him for spreading links to malware file which give you a 404 when you try to get them |
| 13:13.20 | mikeX | systemadmin, kate |
| 13:13.21 | systemadmin | like for writing shell scripts? |
| 13:13.24 | LordFrith | systemadmin: kdevelop is reasonable. |
| 13:13.36 | cafuego | haha |
| 13:13.36 | sussudio | ktnx. |
| 13:13.42 | Guerin | nothing is better for shell scripting than emacs |
| 13:13.42 | suifur | mmmm Emacs, its a nice OS but lacks a decent editor. :( |
| 13:13.51 | systemadmin | cool, will look that them, using kwrite right now |
| 13:13.51 | streuner | thanks LoRez |
| 13:13.52 | jethro | hah |
| 13:13.52 | mikeX | systemadmin, then again there is always vim (kvim) |
| 13:14.01 | LordFrith | suifur: Just use vi inside emacs, and your problem is solved. ;) |
| 13:14.04 | jethro | thanks LoRez |
| 13:14.05 | LoRez | welcome |
| 13:14.08 | Guerin | bah, not this stupid shit again. Emacs has plenty of editors, it just lacks a kernel. |
| 13:14.11 | cafuego | !beverage LoRez |
| 13:14.18 | sussudio | LoRez: it was spamming into the channel |
| 13:14.19 | suifur | lol |
| 13:14.28 | suifur | !fuck editors |
| 13:14.36 | suifur | mmm nifty |
| 13:14.41 | Guerin | never become dependednt on an editor which requires X to use |
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| 13:14.55 | Guerin | because one day, you'll need to use it to fix X, and then you'll be fucked |
| 13:15.01 | mikeX | lol |
| 13:15.02 | Darkslide | mannn |
| 13:15.04 | Darkslide | thnx guys |
| 13:15.06 | Darkslide | it works |
| 13:15.14 | suifur | real l33t users use cat and less |
| 13:15.15 | Darkslide | it kinda looks gay right now |
| 13:15.20 | cafuego | And on that note I'm buggering off to bed. |
| 13:15.25 | Darkslide | all grey |
| 13:15.27 | suifur | DarkFame: cuz you touched it, you've made it gay. |
| 13:15.27 | Darkslide | and ghey |
| 13:15.31 | sussudio | in soviet russia, bed buggers you. |
| 13:15.32 | Guerin | !gay |
| 13:15.32 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 13:15.44 | Darkslide | yes sir |
| 13:15.49 | suifur | devoiced? |
| 13:15.52 | streuner | Darkslide: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 13:15.56 | Guerin | grey isn't what I'd term 'gay' - I'd think bright colours |
| 13:15.56 | streuner | Darkslide: /msg dpkg wm |
| 13:16.10 | Guerin | like 'happy and gay' colours, perhaps |
| 13:16.21 | Darkslide | yeah im in |
| 13:16.24 | Darkslide | schooltime tho |
| 13:16.26 | suifur | Guerin: are you from Australia/Britain? You can spell 'colour' properly |
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| 13:16.36 | greycat | !ghey |
| 13:16.36 | dpkg | it has been said that ghey is the same as "gay", you homophobe |
| 13:16.40 | Guerin | suifur: no, and yes. |
| 13:16.47 | suifur | Guerin: ah nifty |
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| 13:16.57 | Agrajag- | hey all, i have a 'whiptail' process using all my cpu on a debian box, can't figure out how it got started or what it's doing. any ideas? it's running as root too. :/ |
| 13:17.02 | mtnman | pmsg dpkg spell color |
| 13:17.17 | suifur | I like it when people can spell words like 'colour' and 'behaviour' and other such words. |
| 13:17.20 | chealer | Agrajag-: try to kill it |
| 13:17.28 | Guerin | whiptail is an ncurses UI lib, innit? |
| 13:17.29 | Agrajag- | im sure i can kill it |
| 13:17.37 | resiak | Yes, it is. |
| 13:17.39 | Agrajag- | that's not the problem.. i want to konw how it started/why it's running |
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| 13:17.48 | Guerin | are you using any ncurses programs? |
| 13:17.51 | chealer | Agrajag-: check what depends on whiptail |
| 13:17.57 | Agrajag- | not that i can see |
| 13:18.03 | Agrajag- | ppid is init |
| 13:18.06 | chealer | might be dpkg-reconfigure, pppoeconf for example |
| 13:18.11 | Darkslide | ride not here yet |
| 13:18.13 | Darkslide | yay |
| 13:18.13 | Guerin | suifur: favourite... centre... cheque |
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| 13:18.15 | Darkslide | ok |
| 13:18.19 | Darkslide | so once im in |
| 13:18.20 | suifur | Guerin: yessir |
| 13:18.25 | Darkslide | the current setup. |
| 13:18.38 | resiak | Guerin, suifur: I know someone who actually pronounces centre "Cent-rer" |
| 13:18.39 | Darkslide | what do i do open the command promp thing |
| 13:18.39 | Darkslide | ? |
| 13:18.45 | CyrilB | anyone connected with AOL here can you ping jexiste.fr ? |
| 13:18.48 | streuner | Darkslide: are you in debian actually? |
| 13:18.51 | suifur | resiak: hmmm lol |
| 13:19.02 | streuner | Darkslide: CTRL-F2 |
| 13:19.02 | Guerin | resiak: they clearly don't go to Oxford... |
| 13:19.03 | Darkslide | yes, i just installed xwindow sys |
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| 13:19.05 | jharrisonwk | ok debian dudes another question |
| 13:19.10 | Darkslide | alright thnx |
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| 13:19.15 | jethro | CyrilB: they took the site down for excessive stupidity |
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| 13:19.21 | resiak | Guerin: Heh. |
| 13:19.28 | suifur | jharrisonwk: debian dudes? what about the dudettes? |
| 13:19.33 | streuner | Darkslide: you need an WM (window-manager) too - /msg dpkg window manger |
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| 13:19.39 | jharrisonwk | will debian run on a 4-way opteron system with 2TB of space and 32GB of memory? |
| 13:19.49 | Guerin | yeah, i'm off to bed now... i have a very dull book that I've been told I must read |
| 13:19.50 | jharrisonwk | suifur: I dont know what dudettes are |
| 13:19.55 | suifur | jharrisonwk: if you configure it properly |
| 13:20.10 | streuner | Guerin: later |
| 13:20.17 | suifur | ;) |
| 13:20.18 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: do you know how the opteron architecture works? |
| 13:20.18 | chealer | jharrisonwk: jeez, can't you get a decent system? :-P |
| 13:20.29 | suifur | abrotman: probly not |
| 13:20.30 | mikeX | what's the deal with Xorg now that it got into Ubuntu? will we see it in unstable anytime soon? |
| 13:20.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: uh sure |
| 13:20.39 | Guerin | mikeX: no. |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | mikeX: ubuntu is not debian! |
| 13:20.44 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: uh .. no? :) |
| 13:20.47 | greycat | mikeX: why the fuck would anything ubuntu does affect debian in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER? |
| 13:20.50 | myren | how do i jump to a line in vim? |
| 13:20.53 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: never touched one in my life but if I can build other servers why would this be much more difficult? |
| 13:20.57 | Guerin | myren: by reading the help |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | myren: :linenumber |
| 13:20.58 | resiak | myren: [linenumber]gg |
| 13:21.12 | suifur | jharrisonwk: lol, you have much to learn young padawan |
| 13:21.25 | jharrisonwk | ok like what? |
| 13:21.28 | mikeX | greycat, cause they built a fucking package, why do you have to get so worked up whenever you hear Ubuntu? |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you should really read some docs |
| 13:21.45 | resiak | mikeX: Because you can't read the fucking topic. |
| 13:21.50 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: about what? |
| 13:21.52 | greycat | that's one. |
| 13:21.59 | jethro | mikeX: because we get a lot of tards here making us wonder about the point in mentionning stuff in the topic |
| 13:22.05 | streuner | mikeX: we don't support ubuntu here. |
| 13:22.06 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I have been reading docs about opterons for a long time |
| 13:22.11 | suifur | jharrisonwk: Like detailed knowledge of the opteron arch, how to mesh your hardware properly |
| 13:22.17 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: then why you ask about 32GB ram etc? |
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| 13:22.36 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I have never installed debian on this type of machine before |
| 13:22.40 | mikeX | i dont' care about ubuntu |
| 13:22.46 | mikeX | are you stupid?? |
| 13:22.49 | suifur | anyone know a good place to get a "pro internet censorship" editorial or where to look, need an opposing side to the "against-internet censorship" argument:? |
| 13:22.50 | greycat | that's two. |
| 13:22.58 | systemadmin | what is ubuntu? |
| 13:23.03 | greycat | systemadmin: another distro |
| 13:23.04 | mikeX | so i missed a line in the topic, big deal : P |
| 13:23.08 | abrotman | mikeX: are you? .. you asked a question about ubuntu and how it affects debian .. guess what .. it doesn't |
| 13:23.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: its not like I havent been building computers for the past 10 years you know |
| 13:23.11 | systemadmin | ok... |
| 13:23.13 | suifur | jharrisonwk: if you'd read at the debian site you'd know its possible |
| 13:23.15 | streuner | mikeX: if you meant, why is xorg not in sid, sarge has to be first stable. |
| 13:23.19 | jethro | mikeX: why do you fucking think that ubuntu's ability to package xorg will make xorg in debian any quicker? |
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| 13:23.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: 9 1/2 maybe? :) |
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| 13:23.28 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 13:23.36 | mikeX | jethro, i didn't think, i just wondered |
| 13:23.42 | jharrisonwk | I guess I really should be asking the athlon64 people |
| 13:23.42 | mikeX | ... |
| 13:23.56 | suifur | jharrisonwk: no, you should be reading the debian site |
| 13:23.56 | jethro | mikeX: oh myyyyy pardon, me, you just wondered |
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| 13:24.05 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: there are things that say .. a 4-way can do taht at a 2-way cannot .. that's why i suggested to read .. memory is a big thing to make sure you understand with opteron |
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| 13:24.28 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: like what |
| 13:24.30 | systemadmin | jharrisonwk, Try it! cant be scared! Buy the ticket, take the ride! |
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| 13:24.41 | WorkerII | OK .. I'll quite and leave, or the other way around. |
| 13:24.42 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: bandwidth .. amonut you can use etc .. |
| 13:24.43 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: opterons only use ECC memory |
| 13:24.47 | pavel-simerda | Hi people, is it possible to convince midnight commander to be in a local language with debian? |
| 13:24.48 | mikeX | jethro, : P |
| 13:24.48 | WorkerII | Stay happy! |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: registered ECC |
| 13:25.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes |
| 13:25.02 | WorkerII | jethro: I hope you found a better councelor ;-) |
| 13:25.06 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: registered ECC |
| 13:25.10 | abrotman | that's what i said :) |
| 13:25.21 | jethro | WorkerII: I still didn't get your point about the councelor |
| 13:25.24 | suifur | jharrisonwk: not true :) The lowerend 24x's can be used with regular memory, I have a tyan mobo that uses that |
| 13:25.33 | pavel-simerda | I know I can use any of other distos but I quite like debian now... |
| 13:25.33 | jethro | wondering if there is any |
| 13:25.34 | WorkerII | jethro: Ahh .. lemme cite you then. :) |
| 13:25.36 | suifur | at work that is, its a dual |
| 13:25.40 | streuner | pavel-simerda: did you read the docs about? |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | suifur: is that the CPU or the chipset playing .. because afaik .. even the 240 requires it .. |
| 13:25.50 | jethro | I m afraid I m not understanding councelor the way I should |
| 13:25.56 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: is that what you meant by memory being a big thing to understand with opterons? |
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| 13:26.03 | takatumi | hmm, never thought it would come to this. /dev/hda5 13G 12G 480M 97% / |
| 13:26.04 | mikeX | streuner, yes thx |
| 13:26.05 | WorkerII | jethro: "<jethro> according to my ass, romanian pimps are the best at hacking nasa.gov" |
| 13:26.09 | systemadmin | debian grows on you like a crack addiction |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: interleaving .. bandwidth .. amount you can address etc |
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| 13:26.17 | streuner | pavel-simerda: the support is there to switch for another language in mc |
| 13:26.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes as far as I know all opterons need reg ecc |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | but less healthy |
| 13:26.28 | suifur | abrotman: its probly chipset, I don't recall what specifically it is but we bought that mobo by accident and noticed we didn't need ECC for it so it became my workstation at work lol |
| 13:26.28 | jethro | WorkerII: I was just making fun of some tard on FUD |
| 13:26.31 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: any docs? |
| 13:26.44 | streuner | pavel-simerda: oh wait. |
| 13:26.45 | pavel-simerda | streuner: I tried to read many documents about it... but normaly It's enough to switch the locale... |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i can look if you really want .. but google should know more than me |
| 13:26.50 | WorkerII | jethro: I know, I was extending the joking. :) |
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| 13:26.55 | CyrilB | anyone connected with AOL here ? can you ping jexiste.fr please ? |
| 13:26.57 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what to google for? |
| 13:27.02 | pavel-simerda | in slack or even in fedora |
| 13:27.02 | streuner | pavel-simerda: yes, of course, works like a charm here |
| 13:27.06 | jethro | !tell CyrilB -about repeat |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: opteron memory .. maybe ? |
| 13:27.19 | streuner | pavel-simerda: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:27.31 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: so its not as simple as buying a motherboard for 4-way and buying registered ecc memory? |
| 13:27.38 | streuner | pavel-simerda: and take a look at /etc/enviroment |
| 13:27.50 | jharrisonwk | surely there is not such a thing as opteron memory |
| 13:27.56 | CyrilB | jethro: sorry |
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| 13:28.08 | jharrisonwk | ddr registered ecc memory will not work? |
| 13:28.15 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: are different applications displaying text in your language? |
| 13:28.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: just registered ECC DDR |
| 13:29.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: thats what I said |
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| 13:29.58 | pavel-simerda | streuner: I think I saw some czech writings in some app |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you said *not* |
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| 13:30.16 | pavel-simerda | streuner: I'll try now |
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| 13:30.24 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you said "opteron memory" |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: to google for .. to read docs |
| 13:30.39 | jharrisonwk | oh ok |
| 13:30.47 | streuner | pavel-simerda: .cz isn't supported in mc |
| 13:31.23 | pavel-simerda | streuner: why it's not supported in mc in debian? |
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| 13:31.43 | pavel-simerda | streuner: OK, I'll use slack instead for that machine |
| 13:31.45 | streuner | pavel-simerda: well, nobody wrote a translation for loacles |
| 13:32.12 | pavel-simerda | streuner: does debian need a special one? |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | pavel-simerda: you could offer to write one :) |
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| 13:32.45 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: whats your locale called? |
| 13:32.57 | streuner | cz |
| 13:33.01 | pavel-simerda | abrotman: I'll rather switch to slackware which support c in mc... |
| 13:33.14 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: cs_CZ.utf8 |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | isn't cz swiss ? |
| 13:33.28 | streuner | no, ch is swiss |
| 13:33.30 | abrotman | oh . that's ch |
| 13:33.34 | valdyn | swiss speak german |
| 13:33.40 | Crasp | they don't |
| 13:33.41 | streuner | ch is china |
| 13:33.42 | Br3tt0 | sorry i'm a newb, and not quite sure how to use this |
| 13:33.47 | pavel-simerda | abrotman: No, cz is CZech Republic |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:33.51 | resiak | !ch |
| 13:33.52 | dpkg | somebody said ch was Switzerland |
| 13:33.56 | abrotman | !china |
| 13:33.57 | dpkg | methinks china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays |
| 13:34.00 | abrotman | nice |
| 13:34.01 | resiak | !lose streuner |
| 13:34.03 | dpkg | streuner: You Lose. |
| 13:34.11 | valdyn | theres a difference between coutry code and language code |
| 13:34.16 | streuner | resiak: bah :-) |
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| 13:34.29 | PerfDave | What do people eat from not on holidays? |
| 13:34.39 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: Yes, language is cs, country is cz |
| 13:34.40 | abrotman | dirt |
| 13:34.42 | streuner | there is cs |
| 13:34.57 | Guerin | PerfDave: yes, who are our holidays, perfdave? |
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| 13:35.03 | streuner | pavel-simerda: so just switch to cs |
| 13:35.05 | resiak | PerfDave: Takeaway boxes ;) |
| 13:35.16 | Br3tt0 | who is on holiday's where |
| 13:35.18 | PerfDave | resiak: Speak for yourself, student scum ;p |
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| 13:35.21 | valdyn | valdyn@master:/usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES$ ll mc.mo |
| 13:35.21 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64987 2005-02-26 03:32 mc.mo |
| 13:35.22 | pavel-simerda | streuner: Sorry, I don't catch |
| 13:35.44 | streuner | /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES |
| 13:35.44 | streuner | /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/mc.mo |
| 13:36.12 | streuner | pavel-simerda: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:36.21 | streuner | pavel-simerda: and use 'cs' |
| 13:36.27 | pavel-simerda | streuner: yeah, so you mean cs instead of cs_CZ |
| 13:36.28 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: and log in and back out |
| 13:36.36 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: and log out and back in |
| 13:36.38 | Br3tt0 | where is the best place to learn debian???\ |
| 13:36.53 | streuner | pavel-simerda: sounds ok to me |
| 13:36.56 | Crasp | Br3tt0: www.debian.org :) |
| 13:37.04 | Crasp | Br3tt0: read some docs, click around a bit |
| 13:37.08 | pavel-simerda | I am not going to do a half-an-hour reconfigure for just one variable... |
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| 13:37.19 | pavel-simerda | streuner: but I'll try to switch |
| 13:37.21 | Abe | hi all |
| 13:37.25 | newbie21 | where can i get something like this on english? and maybe free http://www.b1gmail.de/ |
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| 13:38.16 | Guerin | newbie21: something like a website? |
| 13:38.23 | Guerin | newbie21: there are lots of them out there! |
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| 13:38.57 | newbie21 | Guerin, doh.. ;9 |
| 13:39.00 | Abe | anyone has suggestion on inventory management (for a lab) stuff? :) |
| 13:39.04 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: are you done reading? |
| 13:39.16 | Guerin | Abe: box |
| 13:39.36 | Abe | box? the name of the app? |
| 13:39.42 | Guerin | Abe: acquire new box as old box becomes unsuitable |
| 13:39.45 | Guerin | nope |
| 13:39.52 | Guerin | square thing what you put stuff in |
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| 13:39.58 | Guerin | great for managing all kinds of stuff |
| 13:40.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 13:40.05 | pavel-simerda | Hmm seems I'll maybe have to or it is maybe totally broken in debian and I can't do this with dpkg |
| 13:40.22 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: it works for me. |
| 13:40.29 | Abe | Guerin, sorry I don't really get what you mean :( |
| 13:40.32 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: how? |
| 13:40.49 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: as you were told "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 13:40.56 | Guerin | Abe: unless you're more specific about your requirements, I suggest you use a box. |
| 13:41.06 | Guerin | in any case, I'm off to bed now |
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| 13:41.15 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: OK, I |
| 13:41.16 | jethro | good night |
| 13:41.21 | Abe | oh ic. just wanna get some web-based inventory management |
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| 13:41.25 | Abe | for chemicals etc |
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| 13:41.36 | Abe | and stuff in a fridge etc |
| 13:41.56 | jethro | Abe: LDAP server + custom php/perl |
| 13:41.59 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: I'll try to... hmm, it'll take half an hour before it makes the locales |
| 13:42.04 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: thanks |
| 13:42.07 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: i have no idea why this should take half an hour for you, maybe a minute if you have a very very slow computer |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | Abe: you mean you didn't take all the chemicals yet? |
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| 13:42.18 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: are you trying to generate ALL locales? |
| 13:42.29 | Abe | abrotman, for storage I mean |
| 13:42.32 | jethro | hah |
| 13:42.43 | Abe | keep track of the quantity, location etc |
| 13:43.11 | abrotman | Abe: put them all in your belly!! |
| 13:43.12 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: 3-4 seconds for 1 locale |
| 13:43.13 | Abe | and ppl who use it could possible alter the inventory to reflect the change... |
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| 13:43.20 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: i need to do this on an old pentium with 32M ram... |
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| 13:43.29 | Abe | abrotman, well, not quite possible.....too much lol |
| 13:43.33 | jethro | Abe: use a directory server, and some custom php/perl code for the web interface |
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| 13:43.42 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: and debian takes at least quarter an hour for each |
| 13:43.48 | abrotman | Abe: you're talking about a pretty simple database/flatfile |
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| 13:43.57 | Crasp | :wq |
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| 13:44.06 | Crasp | argh |
| 13:44.08 | Crasp | :) |
| 13:44.13 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: so if I regenerate at least three locales (en_US, en_US.utf8) |
| 13:44.15 | jethro | no such command ) |
| 13:44.18 | Abe | jethro, that's an option though, but I was wondering if there exist projects/app similar to this |
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| 13:44.33 | jethro | Abe: I don't know of any, sorry |
| 13:44.35 | Crasp | jethro: ;) |
| 13:44.41 | Abe | I was looking at phpgroupware, which has an inventory module, but the removed it in the newest version |
| 13:44.46 | Abe | jethro, thx anyway :) |
| 13:44.52 | outlier | Has anybody had problems getting vlc going on Debian/Sarge (2.6 kernel) ? apt seems to install it, but it doesn't run. |
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| 13:45.00 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: well, let it run, not like it hurts i suppose |
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| 13:45.21 | jethro | outlier: look for useful error messages, then once you found them, come back and ask more precisely |
| 13:45.23 | abrotman | Abe: i know .. a .. wait for it .. spreadsheet! |
| 13:45.36 | nkuttler | Abe: you may want to search sourceforge or google for "erp" |
| 13:45.36 | streuner | outlier: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:45.42 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: and still I wonder why is debian the only distro which doesn't support czech as cs_CZ.utf8.. I will see if I can make even a cs.utf8 instead |
| 13:46.02 | outlier | jethro: OK - didn't want to be too wordy. In a terminal, I get: VLC media player 0.8.2-svn Janus |
| 13:46.02 | outlier | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 13:46.04 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: it certainlt DOES support that locale |
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| 13:46.08 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: it certainly DOES support that locale |
| 13:46.09 | Abe | nkuttler, thx |
| 13:46.09 | sotanez | hi |
| 13:46.52 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: I don't understand it... in dpkg there really is ONLY cs_CZ and cs_CZ.utf8 (the second one is what I wanted) |
| 13:47.09 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: so use the 2nd one |
| 13:47.28 | jethro | outlier: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289312 |
| 13:47.31 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: And that's exactly what I did on Sunday and it is NOT working |
| 13:47.36 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: its irrelevant for the language in mc anyway, only the first 2 letters matter for the language of applications text display |
| 13:47.58 | sotanez | when i try to initializate a kde session as normal user i get the message: "Could not read network connection list /home/sotanez/.DCOPserver_KarmaPolice__0, check if dcopserver program is running |
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| 13:48.08 | jethro | outlier: they have a workaround there, and possibly a fix too (didn't read the whole page) |
| 13:48.10 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: you only set that locale probably, you have to generate it first though, thats what dpkg-reconfigure locales does |
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| 13:48.45 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: OK.... nono, I did generate it and I also checked to see it with locale and locale -a |
| 13:48.47 | mwelsh | has anyone here ever put debian on a microATX system? any problems with it? |
| 13:49.01 | outlier | jethro: Thanks - I'm reading through it now. Obviously, I need to learn how to use that facility. |
| 13:49.30 | jethro | outlier: you want to know about packages.debian.org and bugs.debian.org, for they are usefull sites |
| 13:49.31 | sotanez | well, dcopserver doesn't run and when i try to run it as normal user, it says: |
| 13:49.48 | sotanez | ./usr/bin/X11/iceauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/sotanez/.ICEauthority |
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| 13:49.58 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: ok, let me see |
| 13:50.01 | sotanez | ICE Connection rejected! |
| 13:50.15 | sotanez | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 13:50.16 | sotanez | ICE Connection rejected! |
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| 13:51.50 | outlier | jethro: Sorry for beating a dead horse here, but in newbie terms, what does "A workaround seems to be: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 vlc" mean I'm supposed to do? |
| 13:52.10 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: a moment, please, i'll make the network run |
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| 13:52.23 | LSorensen | outlier: run that as the command. it sems a variable in the environment before running the vlc command |
| 13:52.31 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: you're right, that doesnt make mc display in czech language |
| 13:52.37 | Gathond | outlier: set that environment variable before you run vlc, or just put that entire thing in one command |
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| 13:53.22 | outlier | thanks guys, I'll give it a try. |
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| 13:53.54 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: hmm |
| 13:54.13 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: And what do you think is the problem... utf8? |
| 13:54.15 | daye | iwant to set up a multi-user debian system, where to begin? |
| 13:54.27 | TBBle | outlier: Out of curiosity, where'd you hit that workaround? |
| 13:54.29 | petemc | daye: install debian |
| 13:54.35 | jm_ | daye: you begin by installing it |
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| 13:54.37 | jethro | outlier: it means you need to read the bug report and answers more carefully :) |
| 13:54.40 | daye | which version? |
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| 13:55.14 | jm_ | that depends on your requirements |
| 13:55.15 | PerfDave | daye: What do you want it for? |
| 13:55.36 | outlier | Hmmm.. Speaking of carefully,.. I'm actually using kernel 2.6.x is the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 command likely to cause other problems? |
| 13:55.49 | daye | i want to run a multi-user system for surfing the net. |
| 13:55.51 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: no |
| 13:55.53 | jm_ | outlier: no, use it for vlc only just as stated above |
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| 13:55.58 | directhex|work | sarge then |
| 13:56.01 | jethro | outlier: in short words, it tells you to set an environment variable ``LD_ASSUME_KERNEL'' just for vlc not to bug with your 2.6 kernel |
| 13:56.05 | directhex|work | !d-i daye |
| 13:56.06 | dpkg | daye, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:56.15 | de4dline | hi, whats the IRC command to change password at nickserv ? |
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| 13:56.25 | outlier | TBBle: jethro pointed me to the bug report at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289312 |
| 13:56.26 | jethro | outlier: and no it won't hurt |
| 13:56.31 | jm_ | de4dline: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:56.32 | petemc | de4dline: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:56.43 | outlier | jethro: thanks |
| 13:56.47 | de4dline | hi, whats the IRC command to change password at nickserv ? |
| 13:56.56 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.58 | greycat | /msg nickserv help |
| 13:57.00 | jm_ | hi, how to read my screen? |
| 13:57.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: done |
| 13:57.03 | outlier | jethro: and btw, it seems to have worked. |
| 13:57.09 | greycat | jm_: open your eyes and look at it |
| 13:57.12 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: something like a missing font - maybe |
| 13:57.14 | jethro | outlier: I m glad it did, enjoy your movies :) |
| 13:57.17 | daye | i think this is a more sociable way to work, chatting with people, rather than working out everything quietly by myself. |
| 13:57.22 | de4dline | help doesnt spit out the change password option |
| 13:57.56 | jethro | de4dline: even with the set command? |
| 13:58.11 | daye | if everybody who comes here is referred two somewhere else, what's this place for then? |
| 13:58.11 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: You mean missing from distro or just uninstalled... I tried to install all the fonts I need |
| 13:58.15 | jm_ | you identify, you change password - that doesn't work? |
| 13:58.22 | jm_ | change=set new |
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| 13:58.33 | jethro | de4dline: /m nickserv help set |
| 13:58.49 | jethro | damnit |
| 13:58.50 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: and the 8859-2 one works? |
| 13:59.16 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: i dont know yet |
| 13:59.33 | daye | seriously, where do i begin? get a sarge installation cd, will everything roll from there? |
| 13:59.49 | jm_ | daye: read its install manual too |
| 13:59.51 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: type "df", you will notice not even that is translated ( at least its not for me ) |
| 14:00.10 | petemc | daye: theres a well written install guide |
| 14:00.29 | daye | where is the install quid? |
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| 14:00.43 | petemc | !tell daye about d-i |
| 14:00.44 | jm_ | on the URL you were given earlier |
| 14:00.49 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 14:00.58 | PerfDave | daye: Get a sarge installation CD, read the installation manual. Install. |
| 14:01.04 | greycat | !tell sotanez about away |
| 14:01.05 | PerfDave | !tell sotanez -about away |
| 14:01.08 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with cups + remote cups printer (fedora core cups server) |
| 14:01.33 | greycat | only 6 people in #cups? |
| 14:01.33 | Mazingaro | I'm using kdeprint to configure the client on debian... |
| 14:01.51 | abrotman | greycat: at least there is one now :) |
| 14:02.11 | Mazingaro | tx gents |
| 14:02.20 | daye | ok, that webpage is going to tell me how to install the cd. what to expect? what it the limit of the no. of users? |
| 14:02.37 | PerfDave | daye: I think 64,000 but this may have increased. |
| 14:02.58 | streuner | greycat: the same amount were 1 week ago... |
| 14:03.00 | daye | wow, too many for me, i am impressed. |
| 14:03.06 | greycat | adding UIDs over 65534 will be perilous. I wouldn't try it. |
| 14:03.15 | jethro | heh |
| 14:03.24 | sotanez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.26 | PerfDave | daye: This ain't XP Home, kid ;) |
| 14:03.44 | daye | don't insult, ok? |
| 14:03.48 | greycat | Dr. Seuss would KILL to be able to spell Kevorkian. |
| 14:03.56 | PerfDave | daye: That wasn't an insult. That was friendly banter. |
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| 14:04.03 | daye | ok |
| 14:04.03 | petemc | persiflage |
| 14:04.11 | PerfDave | daye: "This isn't XP Home, you fucking retard" would have been an insult ;) |
| 14:04.30 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: I |
| 14:04.52 | daye | now, when i install the system, i'll doing everything as root, right? |
| 14:05.14 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: I'll leave it for now and try slack for this one... I had other problems with czech |
| 14:05.31 | valdyn | pavel-simerda: google debian czech howto ( and try not to follow completely outdated things ), i cant read czech.. |
| 14:05.36 | directhex|work | daye, just pop in the install cd, it's pretty simple, and it'll set up a non-root user as part of installation |
| 14:05.57 | PerfDave | daye: Reading the Installation Manual would be useful for you. |
| 14:06.04 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: On my own computer I use Fedora because of problems with caron dead key in KDE apps |
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| 14:06.42 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: thanks I know these howtos, newest is from 2001 but still I found some things there |
| 14:06.46 | daye | there will be a root and non-root user. someone forewarn me about not using X as root, is that right? |
| 14:07.00 | PerfDave | daye: You shouldn't run *anything* as root without very good reasons. |
| 14:07.12 | Ireul | hi |
| 14:07.25 | directhex|work | daye, for the kind of end-user you sound like, you'd install a graphical login manager. i think both gdm and kdm don't allowd root to log in by default |
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| 14:07.32 | daye | i thought you require to be root to do anything. |
| 14:07.59 | directhex|work | you require root to install or delete things to non-public areas |
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| 14:08.09 | directhex|work | i.e. to install aplications, or to delete everything by accident |
| 14:08.13 | daye | can i install a multi-user system without being root first? |
| 14:08.15 | directhex|work | you don't need root for much else |
| 14:08.24 | greycat | you will be root during the installation |
| 14:08.32 | directhex|work | no, only root has the permissions to add users to the system for one thing |
| 14:08.47 | directhex|work | as a regular user, "su" allows you to temporarily gain root's superpowers |
| 14:08.50 | PerfDave | daye: You install the system. When the installation is finished, you will have a user account and a root account, and you can use the root account to add new user accounts. But you don't need to run X as root to do that. |
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| 14:09.09 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 14:09.10 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 14:09.43 | daye | what about adding devices, that requires root? |
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| 14:10.02 | PerfDave | daye: Shouldn't do. You should just need to plug them in. |
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| 14:10.33 | daye | say i want to install a broadband, i need to be root? |
| 14:10.43 | PerfDave | "install a broadband"? |
| 14:10.44 | jethro | greycat: you would've appreciated my collegue's typing kill -9 -1 in a root shell on a prod box, right after he did a man kill .. I ll tell him about (6) :) |
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| 14:11.07 | daye | ye, plug in a broadband device, install the driver. |
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| 14:11.12 | PerfDave | daye: You will occasionally need root privileges to perform some system administration tasks. These will not require you to run user programs such as X as root. |
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| 14:11.20 | PerfDave | daye: Depends on the broadband device. |
| 14:11.21 | greycat | what the hell is a "broadband device"? |
| 14:11.28 | greycat | is he talking about *wireless*? |
| 14:11.31 | pavel-simerda | valdyn: Thanks for now and bye |
| 14:11.34 | daye | modem |
| 14:11.47 | directhex|work | greycat, possibly a usb adsl "modem" |
| 14:11.56 | pavel-simerda | /leave |
| 14:11.59 | greycat | setting up a cable modem or a DSL modem is part of the base system installation |
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| 14:12.01 | PerfDave | daye: Like I said, it depends on the device. You may need root privileges. Suck it and see. |
| 14:12.02 | daye | no, not wireless, a modem or some prefer bridge. |
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| 14:12.06 | TBBle | It'd be a device that communicates with analogue signalling, as opposed to Baseband. |
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| 14:12.25 | greycat | is Abba a broad band? |
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| 14:12.38 | PerfDave | greycat: Nah, those girls were pretty uptight. |
| 14:12.39 | daye | exactly, a adsl modem. |
| 14:12.41 | directhex|work | daye, connected via ethernet, or usb? |
| 14:12.48 | daye | usb |
| 14:12.55 | greycat | *cringe* |
| 14:13.35 | PerfDave | 15:12 < PerfDave> daye: You will occasionally need root privileges to perform some system administration tasks. These will not require you to run user programs such as X as root. |
| 14:13.35 | directhex|work | daye, _some_ usb adsl modems are supported by debian sarge as standard. some. being green and manta-ray-shaped should help |
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| 14:13.53 | queuetue | I have a hosting priver I like quite a bit, but .. they only offer RHEL... Anyone have a clever (and very, very trustworthy) way to get a machine running debian? |
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| 14:14.15 | directhex|work | queuetue, stay with what is supported by your service contract |
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| 14:14.37 | daye | if i set up the usb adsl as root, then a non-root will be able to start a connection too? |
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| 14:14.42 | queuetue | Ok, one troll down. Does anyone have useful advice? |
| 14:14.43 | PerfDave | daye: Yes |
| 14:14.45 | greycat | daye: yes. |
| 14:14.48 | petemc | directhex|work: the green fish things are supported directly now? |
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| 14:14.58 | greycat | queuetue: directhex|work was not trolling you. |
| 14:14.59 | maxxle | queuetue: This was usefull |
| 14:15.18 | PerfDave | queuetue: He's not trolling. That's sensible advice. Changing the OS may be a violation of your TOS. You have also not made it clear what kind of hosting you are being provided with. |
| 14:15.21 | petemc | directhex|work: when i used that, you needed some firmware that couldnt be freely distributed |
| 14:15.37 | daye | when i set up a system, won't it come as with a gui or it will be command line mode? |
| 14:15.44 | queuetue | Oh, right. This is #debian. I keep forgetting why people are leaving for Ubuntu in droves.:) |
| 14:15.46 | TBBle | queuetue: Change providers. Your personal feelings for them should not interfere with your disdain of their non-Debian product. ^_^ |
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| 14:15.55 | flip | anyoen know the -trigger to make LS order the dot files on top and the others on bottom? |
| 14:16.00 | PerfDave | daye: It will have a GUI if you choose to install one. |
| 14:16.15 | jethro | hah |
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| 14:16.22 | jethro | !troll queuetue |
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| 14:16.37 | PerfDave | Yes, people are leaving for Ubuntoy in droves because they can't handle being given straight answers to their questions :) |
| 14:16.47 | TBBle | flip: Probably -a? |
| 14:16.50 | jethro | PerfDave: indeed |
| 14:16.56 | flip | TBBle, nope |
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| 14:16.56 | directhex|work | nah, they're leaving in droves because their colo server needs xorg and gnome 2.10 |
| 14:16.57 | maxxle | PerfDave: What a good answer! |
| 14:17.02 | jethro | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:17.03 | stew | directhex|work: hah |
| 14:17.08 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Doesn't everything? |
| 14:17.12 | TBBle | flip: In that case I don't know what you mean. |
| 14:17.15 | jethro | !directhex|work++ |
| 14:17.17 | flip | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-02-11 18:23 sites-available |
| 14:17.17 | flip | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2005-01-07 13:26 .spamassassin |
| 14:17.28 | daye | that means it could come up in X, but i don't login as root, right? |
| 14:17.36 | PerfDave | daye: Yes |
| 14:17.37 | flip | TBBle, normally... ls -al will show all the dot files.. then the non dot files... now ls -al is mixmatching them |
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| 14:17.52 | PerfDave | They're leaving for Ubuntu in droves because they have an unhealthy fascination with the colour brown. |
| 14:18.00 | daye | okie dokie, i am off to work. |
| 14:18.02 | TBBle | flip: Have you changed to a locale which collates differently? |
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| 14:18.08 | flip | TBBle, no :F |
| 14:18.19 | stew | flip: how about ls -l .* * |
| 14:18.25 | foXclone | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 14:18.31 | foXclone | anyone know where to get the driver for my wifi PCI card (SMC2602W V.3) for 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 14:18.41 | flip | stew, shows the contents of every directory |
| 14:18.49 | directhex|work | foXclone, that depends as to what it actually is, and what it uses as a chip |
| 14:18.56 | directhex|work | foXclone, what does lspci identify it as? |
| 14:19.01 | PerfDave | foXclone: Is it supported by Linux? You might want to try installing a more up-to-date kernel (and getting an arch-optimised one at the same time) |
| 14:19.08 | TBBle | That's whacky. 'ls -ld trick .gnupg' (both directores) gives .gnupg before trick. |
| 14:19.33 | foXclone | RF controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Am 1771 MBW [Alchemy] |
| 14:19.43 | greycat | flip: how about "LANG=C ls -al"? |
| 14:19.48 | scarynetworkguy | Whoever picked that colour needs to be stabbed in the eye. |
| 14:19.54 | foXclone | AMD chipset |
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| 14:20.07 | flip | greycat, absolutely PERFECT |
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| 14:20.12 | flip | greycat, :) :) |
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| 14:20.19 | sml^ | bollox. someone else has the nick sml :'(. boo hoo. |
| 14:20.20 | directhex|work | scarynetworkguy, http://www.mgh0.modded.me.uk/images/Ubuntu/Screenshot3%20(Medium).png ? |
| 14:20.58 | TBBle | flip: So what's LC_COLLATE say when you run locale? |
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| 14:21.16 | flip | en_us |
| 14:21.16 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: Now I have to find a rusty spoon to scoop my eyes out with. |
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| 14:21.43 | flip | TBBle, en_us.. everything in there is set to this |
| 14:21.44 | TBBle | Oh well. I'm in en_AU.UTF-8 so I can't help much. |
| 14:21.53 | TBBle | Maybe it should be en_US ? |
| 14:22.09 | foXclone | directhex|work can you help me? |
| 14:22.12 | PerfDave | Ubuntu manage to make pr0n look brown and uninteresting. |
| 14:22.27 | directhex|work | PerfDave, scat? |
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| 14:22.40 | PerfDave | Nah, that's brown and interesting. |
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| 14:23.01 | taddeus | hi all |
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| 14:23.29 | taddeus | anyone can help me ti fix a problem on my website ? |
| 14:24.03 | zulkifar | I got a strange problem with viewing tar.gz-ed archive with MC. I create archive, open it via RET and see all files are in place. Then I add a file to a dir which I archived, recreate archive, open it again - and see no just added files. There are 2 'workarounds' which I found: 1) restart MC 2) wait for sometime (2 minutes). Wtf? :) |
| 14:24.08 | Crasp | taddeus: how much debian related do you think it is yourself? ;) |
| 14:24.09 | greycat | !tell taddeus about ask |
| 14:24.23 | directhex|work | foXclone, there's a buggy brazialan module for 2.4 kernels, at http://wireless.emota.com.br/am1772.html |
| 14:24.29 | greycat | zulkifar: uh.... tar tzvf foo.tar.gz |
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| 14:24.50 | foXclone | i will check that since i've got no other options... ty |
| 14:24.51 | zulkifar | greycat: ? |
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| 14:25.25 | taddeus | Crasp: i need someone that can help me with html code, maybe OT, i know.. i'm using debian sid, i can't find a solution :\ |
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| 14:25.47 | greycat | taddeus: just *ask*. Or ask #web or #html. |
| 14:25.48 | Crasp | i don't think html has anything to do with debian :) |
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| 14:25.52 | PerfDave | http://www.webmonkey.com/ |
| 14:25.59 | taddeus | Crasp: here's my website: http://82.51.43.69/webcam/index.html |
| 14:26.03 | drac | I have this SS2.BIN file, it should be some sort of image, for some windoze CD burning software. Is there way to change it to ISO, mount it, or burn it? It has no CUE file, so I guess bchunk is out of question. |
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| 14:26.19 | zulkifar | greycat: look, the files _are_ in archive but MC don't shows them |
| 14:26.19 | PerfDave | System Shock 2 warez? :) |
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| 14:26.21 | greycat | drac: file SS2.BIN |
| 14:26.28 | greycat | zulkifar: does tar see them |
| 14:26.30 | taddeus | i don't like that cgi go create a new blank form anytime user click to light lamp |
| 14:26.32 | drac | SS2.BIN: data |
| 14:26.34 | drac | PerfDave: no :) |
| 14:26.35 | Crasp | drac: you could try to mount it on local loopback |
| 14:26.37 | taddeus | how ca i fix it ? |
| 14:27.00 | zulkifar | greycat: hm, at least it successfuly extracted them. But, wait I test it with -t |
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| 14:27.04 | PerfDave | "user click to light lamp"? *crack* |
| 14:27.08 | luulis | drac: there is bin2iso, it can convert some .bin files to .iso |
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| 14:27.28 | Crasp | i think most .bin files can be burned directly without converting |
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| 14:27.32 | taddeus | PerfDave: what's ? |
| 14:27.48 | PerfDave | taddeus: What you said makes no sense. |
| 14:27.52 | gamjah | does anybody knows how to do a "dir -s" with ls or another command? |
| 14:27.54 | drac | Crasp: sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 SS2.BIN /mnt -> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 ? |
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| 14:28.01 | PerfDave | taddeus: Really, #html or somewhere will give you better answers than #debian. |
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| 14:28.06 | drac | luulis: not in debian. |
| 14:28.11 | Crasp | drac: did you load the loopback module? |
| 14:28.12 | greycat | gamjah: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:28.26 | taddeus | PerfDave: have no reply from #html :\ |
| 14:28.42 | valdyn | drac: any idea what is on that image? |
| 14:28.47 | gamjah | search for a file |
| 14:28.49 | Crasp | taddeus: well not getting a reply doesn't mean that you can ask in #random channel :) |
| 14:28.51 | greycat | my first guess is that he meant "DIR /s" |
| 14:28.53 | greycat | gamjah: man locate; man find |
| 14:29.07 | luulis | drac: yes but you can download it yourself if you dont want to burn it |
| 14:29.07 | gamjah | thanx |
| 14:29.07 | directhex|work | vorsprung, on winnt? lists all files in the current folder or subfolders |
| 14:29.11 | Crasp | taddeus: it would be like writing microsoft a mail and ask them how to read a .doc file on linux |
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| 14:29.12 | taddeus | Crasp: right.. sorry.. it drive me crazy :\ |
| 14:29.12 | gamjah | man locate |
| 14:29.15 | gamjah | sorry |
| 14:29.16 | greycat | directhex|work: surely you mean dir /s |
| 14:29.23 | PerfDave | taddeus: Failure of #html to fix your HTML problem doesn't make it #debian's problem ;) |
| 14:29.37 | directhex|work | greycat, i specified winnt not msdos |
| 14:29.38 | drac | valdyn: some data files, extensions for game called serious sam, levels and stuff. |
| 14:29.40 | taddeus | PerfDave: ok, tnx |
| 14:29.51 | drac | valdyn: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. (in dmesg) |
| 14:29.56 | drac | ^ Crasp |
| 14:30.03 | drac | and yes, it's loaded |
| 14:30.04 | Crasp | hmm |
| 14:30.05 | PerfDave | taddeus: Try googling, http://www.w3.org/ or http://www.webmonkey.com/ |
| 14:30.09 | directhex|work | greycat, of course, it's a long time since i've used windows for anything other than playing games |
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| 14:30.16 | Crasp | drac: is there a cue file provided with it? |
| 14:30.23 | drac | Crasp: no :/ |
| 14:30.33 | directhex|work | erm... |
| 14:30.34 | zulkifar | greycat: yes, tar tjvf shows file, but MC is not |
| 14:30.40 | drac | hmm, maybe.. idea.. is there tool to generate .cue? |
| 14:30.41 | vorsprung | directhex|work, I never used winnt. Luckily I was working with AIX/HPUX/Solaris/other unix when it was current |
| 14:30.43 | directhex|work | bin/cue is a global hawk technologies cdrwin image |
| 14:30.47 | valdyn | drac: could be that utf fileformat or whatever it was called |
| 14:30.49 | greycat | zulkifar: file a bug. |
| 14:30.51 | directhex|work | it can be converted to a .iso with bchunk |
| 14:30.51 | valdyn | drac: udf ? |
| 14:30.59 | vorsprung | directhex|work, that dir -s thing doesn't work with w2k either |
| 14:31.08 | luulis | drac: IIRC bin2iso can generate a .cue |
| 14:31.14 | drac | valdyn: UDF-fs: No partition found (1) |
| 14:31.17 | TBBle | Maybe it's a linux system with dir aliased to ls ? |
| 14:31.18 | drac | valdyn: but it's size of CD. |
| 14:31.32 | drac | 650mb.. |
| 14:31.38 | directhex|work | what use is a cue, since you still can't mount it? use bloody bchunk |
| 14:31.43 | taddeus | bye |
| 14:31.47 | Crasp | it's probably ripped with some strange software on windoze |
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| 14:32.01 | drac | directhex|work: but bchunk needs .cue with .bin to generate .iso ? |
| 14:32.11 | chrysopa | Hi, I have two identicals HDs. Both are OK in BIOS. But, only the HDA work in debian. HDB is not showed. |
| 14:32.12 | drac | or can it generate .cue out of nowhere? |
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| 14:32.21 | directhex|work | drac, a cue has bugger all in it for a data cd |
| 14:32.21 | Crasp | drac: did you even try it yet? :) |
| 14:32.23 | chrysopa | Anybody have any idea about this? |
| 14:32.40 | directhex|work | you can come up with the cue yourself in notepad, just google for & download ANY cue file & change it |
| 14:32.41 | Crasp | chrysopa: are you sure it is hdb? |
| 14:32.47 | kwoot | Hello, can anybody help me getting hostfs to work? I can't seem to find the config setting for switching it on. |
| 14:32.49 | TBBle | chrysopa: Did you maybe plug the drive in as HDC instead? |
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| 14:32.58 | TBBle | Gah. hdc I mean. ^_^ |
| 14:33.00 | PerfDave | chrysopa: Maybe it's not on hdb. Read /var/log/dmesg and see if it's mentioned? |
| 14:33.05 | drac | bchunk Example: bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo |
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| 14:33.17 | chrysopa | Yes. This is the slave of the firt IDE, HDC is the CDRW drive. |
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| 14:33.37 | Crasp | chrysopa: take a look at the output of dmesg |
| 14:33.39 | drac | bchunk foo.bin sorry_no_cue_this_time.cue foo ? :/ |
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| 14:34.27 | Crasp | drac: try bin2iso? |
| 14:34.28 | kwoot | anyone? |
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| 14:34.42 | mtnman | chrysopa: have you checked the drive's jumpers? |
| 14:34.43 | chrysopa | I have looked this, but only HDA and HDC is showed. |
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| 14:35.05 | PerfDave | chrysopa: What sort of drive is it? Just a bog-standard IDE? |
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| 14:35.15 | drac | Crasp: Yeah, i'll try it now.. |
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| 14:35.28 | chrysopa | No yet, but, with the jumpers error the bios dont work. |
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| 14:35.43 | chrysopa | Is an IDE 120GB 7200 RPM |
| 14:35.54 | chrysopa | hda: SAMSUNG SP1203N, ATA DISK drive |
| 14:35.58 | PerfDave | chrysopa: Might be worth unplugging the undetected drive and plugging it in where the CDRW is, see whether it's picked up then. |
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| 14:36.03 | chrysopa | The another HD is identical |
| 14:36.04 | Ragan | drac, just create your cue file yourself |
| 14:36.04 | mtnman | chrysopa: i assumne your "Not yet..." response was for me, but i didn't understand it. |
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| 14:36.21 | valdyn | drac: i can only imagine one common format that you could not mount via loopback, that is a vcd |
| 14:36.22 | daye | hi, in isntalling a multi-user system, how can root specify a common theme for all users? |
| 14:36.33 | PerfDave | daye: What do you mean by "common theme"? |
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| 14:36.44 | daye | i mean appearance, like color, fonttypem, fontsize... |
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| 14:36.57 | daye | fonttype |
| 14:37.06 | chrysopa | I cannot open the computer to check it. I try to resolve with software. |
| 14:37.08 | PerfDave | daye: It would be very hard to force that on users. Let them choose their own! |
| 14:37.26 | daye | can it be doen? |
| 14:37.34 | mtnman | chrysopa: diagnosing hw problems w/o opening the case is an exercise in futility. |
| 14:37.42 | daye | i mean done, technically. |
| 14:37.47 | PerfDave | daye: Hard to say. It would be nearly impossible, certainly. |
| 14:38.02 | zulkifar | greycat: just checked with gzip - the same. (Before it was actually bzip2) I've never filed any bug reports in debian. Is there any facility which unifies this process? |
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| 14:38.05 | Bebabo | we have a intruder, the user he logs in got bin/false as shell now, how is it possible then that a ssh session can always be > 3min ? |
| 14:38.15 | bsims | zulkifar: reportbug |
| 14:38.15 | valdyn | daye: via /etc/skel/ |
| 14:38.17 | PerfDave | chrysopa: Well, if it's not showing up in dmesg, that would indicate that the kernel doesn't recognise the device. Are your two hard drives *totally* identical? |
| 14:38.31 | zulkifar | bsims: thnx |
| 14:38.42 | PerfDave | daye: You can set *defaults* using /etc/skel, but you can't stop users from changing them. |
| 14:38.42 | [Cadet] | nice |
| 14:38.43 | chrysopa | Yes, totally identical. |
| 14:38.48 | bsims | zulkifar: not a problem |
| 14:38.56 | daye | checking on skel.. |
| 14:38.57 | chrysopa | I can open the machine to look the problem |
| 14:38.59 | mtnman | chrysopa: are the jumpers set correctly? |
| 14:39.00 | Crasp | Bebabo: if your system is compromissed then i'd go for a complete reinstall |
| 14:39.13 | Crasp | Bebabo: anything is possible cause you are not in control of the box anymore |
| 14:39.21 | mtnman | chrysopa: is the second drive plugged in correctly? |
| 14:39.24 | PerfDave | Bebabo: If you've got an intruder, the first thing to do is turn off the machine, yank out the hard drive. |
| 14:39.45 | daye | so it is difficult to enforce, since root can't set and lock those appearances? |
| 14:39.58 | Crasp | daye: it is possible but it' |
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| 14:40.07 | Crasp | daye: s pretty hard to do |
| 14:40.11 | chrysopa | I can made some test. The problem is that this is a server. But... |
| 14:40.13 | PerfDave | daye: You could forbid the users from writing to their own config files, maybe. But that might break other things. |
| 14:40.15 | chrysopa | Thanks |
| 14:40.17 | PerfDave | daye: Why do you want to do this? |
| 14:40.34 | Crasp | sounds like windows administrator :) |
| 14:40.43 | chrysopa | If the problem was not solved, I try again. |
| 14:40.53 | Roolianer23 | always when i use tab in console and there a several choices, my pc-speaker is beeping. how can i turn that off? |
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| 14:41.15 | bsims | If @world+dog has root on your box it isn't yours anymore |
| 14:41.16 | caphuso | Roolianer23: "set bell-style none" in your ~/.inputrc |
| 14:41.29 | daye | actually, i am trying to save some time doing it for the initial setup of root and one non-root user. |
| 14:41.51 | Crasp | you mean like having a default to start with? |
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| 14:41.56 | Crasp | usually default configs go in /etc |
| 14:42.03 | PerfDave | daye: But you shouldn't be running X as root, so setting the default X appearance for root would be *bad* ;) |
| 14:42.11 | Roolianer23 | caphuso, thx. works fine |
| 14:42.18 | drac | Ah, aliened fedora's bin2isoxxx.rpm to .deb, dpkg -i'd it. and.. bin2iso SS2.CUE -c SS2.BIN, and then bchunked it. Now I have .ISO! :-) |
| 14:42.21 | drac | thanks all. |
| 14:42.24 | daye | ye, right. |
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| 14:42.44 | daye | so not a good idea, to start with. |
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| 14:43.16 | daye | bye. |
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| 14:43.31 | bsims | nope, and un-needed KDE/Gnome both will let you run $GUI_TOOL under sudo |
| 14:43.34 | drac | ah, now it even mounts without problems.. :) |
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| 14:44.21 | Crasp | bsims: too late ;) |
| 14:44.47 | CyL | Every time I try to open a file system mounted under /mnt with nautilus, it sees the directorries as files... with the command line everything is ok... what could be happening? |
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| 14:44.55 | Teemu_K | how i can make my router/firewall computer to be like inside lan "nameserver", I wanna to have this router make enable connecting other lan computers by using their hostname, not ip :I |
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| 14:45.24 | jethro | Teemu_K: apt-get install bind9 or any other dns server/dns cache daemon |
| 14:45.31 | PerfDave | Teemu_K: Do you want to run a nameserver on your firewall for your internal LAN, or do you want your firewall to use an internal nameserver? |
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| 14:46.28 | Teemu_K | well, I think that what jethro said would be that |
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| 14:47.05 | Teemu_K | but there is quite problem, my router is linksys wtr54G :I |
| 14:47.10 | Teemu_K | I know that contains linux |
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| 14:47.46 | jethro | Teemu_K: why do you come here to ask about it then? I thought your router was a debian box |
| 14:48.26 | Teemu_K | well, I think I need something to my debian boxes to get that information from that box |
| 14:48.42 | jethro | Teemu_K: then install a dns server on one of your debian boxes in the lan |
| 14:48.46 | bsims | hrm I am wanting to use a different driver for my laserjet4+ in just the gimp. whats the best way to do this? |
| 14:49.00 | jethro | Teemu_K: and configure other boxes in your lan to use the first one as the dns server |
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| 14:49.16 | CyL | Every time I try to open a file system mounted under /mnt with nautilus, it sees the directorries as files... with the command line everything is ok... what could be happening? |
| 14:49.27 | kwoot | Hello, can anybody help me getting hostfs to work? I can't seem to find the config setting for switching it on in the kernel compile. |
| 14:49.31 | Teemu_K | jethro: or.. I'l put that to that there router dhcpd config and then it works everytime :) |
| 14:49.36 | Crasp | bsims: setup a second printer and use that in the gimp? |
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| 14:50.01 | Teemu_K | mm |
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| 14:50.09 | Crasp | Teemu_K: perhaps it's just me, but i'm having a very hard time understanding what you are talking about.. sorry |
| 14:50.11 | jethro | Teemu_K: yes you can set the dns servers to query with dhcpd |
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| 14:50.18 | vorsprung | keep watching the skies (near airports) |
| 14:50.24 | jethro | Crasp: I m kind of confused too, but I think I got the point |
| 14:50.37 | Teemu_K | sorry for my english :(, |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | he wants a local internal DNS server |
| 14:51.05 | bsims | Crasp: hrm thats one way but the gimps print-dialog sucks... for example I don't see how one deletes printers |
| 14:51.27 | Teemu_K | well, I want to connect my lan boxes by using hostname's not ip's |
| 14:51.44 | Crasp | bsims: well i'm not even sure the gimp can do that |
| 14:51.55 | pahvi | Teemu_K: use hosts-file if you only have couple of machines |
| 14:51.57 | Delph | Teemu_K: run dnsmasq. |
| 14:51.59 | Crasp | bsims: besides that there are quite a few ways to configure your printer on linux |
| 14:51.59 | PerfDave | Teemu_K: Install a dns server on a machine, instruct your other machines to use it. dnsmasq is a good, simple to use small DNS server for lans. |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | Teemu_K: either uses your /etc/hosts .. or setup a local DNS server |
| 14:52.05 | jethro | Teemu_K: you can either fill each box's /etc/hosts (or equivalent) or use a DNS server on one of the boxes in the lan, and tell the others to use that one for dns resolving |
| 14:52.10 | bsims | Crasp: heh it lets you add a printer to use in Gimp though |
| 14:52.13 | greycat | yay! 4 different answers! |
| 14:52.15 | jethro | Delph: dnsmasq won't help much on the LAN |
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| 14:52.20 | Teemu_K | pahvi: well, if I have 100 computers in my lan, it would be slow |
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| 14:52.26 | Crasp | bsims: oh, can't you just use the lpr command or something? |
| 14:52.31 | Delph | jethro: why not? |
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| 14:52.33 | pahvi | Teemu_K: you have 100 computers? |
| 14:52.37 | valdyn | jethro: why not? it works fine |
| 14:52.42 | jethro | Teemu_K: would you mind reading? INSTALL A DNS SERVER |
| 14:52.42 | Teemu_K | pahvi: not right now :I |
| 14:52.46 | Crasp | bsims: cause i think you can pass a parameter containing the printer |
| 14:52.50 | pahvi | Teemu_K: but in future? |
| 14:52.54 | Teemu_K | pahvi: maby :P |
| 14:52.55 | jethro | valdyn: ain't it like ipmasq? |
| 14:52.56 | bsims | Crasp: thats what the gimp really is calling but I suppose I could simply play some |
| 14:52.57 | Teemu_K | if I won lottery |
| 14:52.57 | valdyn | jethro: it just uses the servers /etc/hosts as db |
| 14:53.07 | jethro | my bad then |
| 14:53.09 | valdyn | jethro: no |
| 14:53.12 | Delph | jethro: it serves DNS out of the hosts file, supplimented by an upstream DNS server. |
| 14:53.13 | jethro | apologies |
| 14:53.24 | valdyn | jethro: its a small dns and dhcp server |
| 14:53.37 | bsims | FYI if you are using something like teh old acroread that uses lpr as a print command kprint works much better <g> |
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| 14:53.50 | pahvi | Teemu_K: how many you have now? |
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| 14:53.59 | Teemu_K | 4 |
| 14:54.00 | Teemu_K | :D |
| 14:54.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ping |
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| 14:54.35 | pahvi | Teemu_K: yep.. /etc/hosts is best for you |
| 14:54.43 | Crasp | bsims: i use cupsys and that replaces your lpr command and works like a charm |
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| 14:54.50 | Teemu_K | :< |
| 14:54.57 | pzn | Hi! how to install usb mouse with debian 2.4 kernels? |
| 14:55.17 | directhex|work | which version of debian? |
| 14:55.21 | directhex|work | and which kernel? |
| 14:55.23 | mtnman | dpkg tell pzn about usbmouse |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: pong |
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| 14:56.00 | Fred21 | hello |
| 14:56.05 | CompBrain | hi |
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| 14:56.14 | CompBrain | -_- |
| 14:56.23 | pzn | directhex|work, mtnman thanks. dpkg message supplier me with all the details needed! |
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| 14:56.37 | mtnman | pzn: you are most welcome. |
| 14:56.43 | onre | hello. how would i go about creating a bootdisk to boot debian off a hard disk that bios can't support? i'd prefer to use the kernel from debian/unstable with as little modification to the system as possible. |
| 14:56.53 | abrotman | party time .. excellent |
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| 14:57.05 | sml^ | Is Guerin's first name justin ? |
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| 14:57.18 | onre | or, even better: can i somehow force grub to think that a disk has certain geometry? |
| 14:57.21 | TBBle | That seems unlikely. |
| 14:57.30 | pzn | onre, you mean that you need to boot debian without hard disks (remote) or with one unsupported bios harddisk? |
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| 14:57.58 | onre | pzn from a harddisk (80GB) the bios doesn't recognize. |
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| 14:58.14 | pzn | onre, you can use grub with floppy. do you want me to send you a grub bootdisk image? |
| 14:58.29 | onre | pzn i've got one, but does grub do its own c/h/s detection? |
| 14:58.43 | onre | pzn my experiments led me to believe that it just asks the bios. |
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| 15:01.49 | directhex|work | !depends pptview |
| 15:01.49 | sml | hmmm three debian security related announcements today |
| 15:01.51 | dpkg | pptview: depends on wine |
| 15:01.55 | directhex|work | ^^ resiak |
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| 15:03.47 | alexrait1 | hello... every time I restart my pc, I have to reconfigure alsa... why is that? |
| 15:04.05 | alexrait1 | I have kernel 2.6.11-1-686 ... the one from debian sid repositories.. |
| 15:04.12 | resiak | directhex|work: Figures :) |
| 15:04.17 | alexrait1 | I tried to reinstall alsa packages, but it didn't help |
| 15:04.45 | valdyn | alexrait1: install discover |
| 15:04.56 | gregory | I have updated a lot of packages on one Debian box, and have installed Debian from the same CDs on another. Is it possible to use the first box's apt cache, and how? |
| 15:05.10 | alexrait1 | valdyn, what is it? |
| 15:05.21 | alexrait1 | valdyn, I have it already |
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| 15:05.33 | valdyn | alexrait1: thats to autoload h/w drivers |
| 15:05.40 | jethro | gregory: use apt-move / apt-zip |
| 15:05.46 | foXclone | can anyone advise me which wifi pci card to use compatible with 2.6 since my current card with the AM1771 chipset is not going to work |
| 15:05.53 | alexrait1 | valdyn, so what should I do with it if I already have it? |
| 15:06.00 | valdyn | alexrait1: ok - try if instead of reconfiguring alsa the same can be achieved by just "modprobe <your sound driver>" |
| 15:06.13 | onre | anyone know of a bootloader that can boot linux and does it's own ide drive detection? |
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| 15:06.25 | darkskiez | onre, err grub ? |
| 15:06.30 | valdyn | !tell alexrait1 about alsa 2.6 |
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| 15:06.39 | onre | grub doesn't do it's own detection as far as i can tell |
| 15:06.40 | nimb | quickly, how do I find the IP address of someone sshed into me? |
| 15:06.40 | valdyn | make sure you have all these packages, alsa-base is important too |
| 15:06.52 | darkskiez | foXclone, I have an rt2500 card that came with my abit, it works. |
| 15:06.59 | jethro | nimb: someone logged in? |
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| 15:07.07 | onre | in order to have grub even see the disk, i have to enter some sort of fake geometry to bios |
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| 15:07.22 | foXclone | darkskiez : is that a realtech chipset? |
| 15:07.29 | gregory | jethro: do I have to use both or any one of them? |
| 15:07.33 | directhex|work | foXclone, ralink |
| 15:07.46 | jethro | gregory: I d say at least one |
| 15:07.46 | onre | and this newest-and-greatest bios for this wreck has the fun feature of not allowing to enter c/h/s as numbers but instead to use pgup/pgdn to modify them. try entering 16383 on that. |
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| 15:07.49 | darkskiez | foXclone, what directhex|work said |
| 15:07.56 | directhex|work | foXclone, ralink provide fully GPL'd drivers and appls for their chips, though they're not in the kernel |
| 15:08.18 | FarrisG | Two Samba servers: Both on the 192.168.100.x subnet. One is browsable (via windows) by IP or hostname on both the 192.168.100.x subnet and the 192.168.51.x subnet. The other, however, is fine on the 51 subnet, but only browsable by IP on the 100 subnet |
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| 15:08.30 | darkskiez | foXclone, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
| 15:08.42 | Ireul | hi |
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| 15:08.57 | Ireul | please help: cannot login in my kde user session :( |
| 15:09.11 | foXclone | darkskiez : he pointed my to a website and it's buggy for 2.4 and not working with debian |
| 15:09.27 | foXclone | darkskiez : it's the only website available on 1771 chipsets |
| 15:09.33 | foXclone | darkskiez : i will have a look |
| 15:10.09 | ircdevil | i have a printer that may be capable of printing doublesided. how do i print doublesided?= |
| 15:10.45 | jethro | FarrisG: you need a master browser on the .100 subnet, which is aware of hosts in the .51 subnet, since netbios broadcasts won't pass the router |
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| 15:11.23 | foXclone | darkskiez : by any change do you have a page with wireless cards using this chipset? |
| 15:11.28 | onre | so what i basically need is something that fits on a floppy and is capable to detect ide drives and boot from them. grub can do it except for the "detect" part according to docs. do i have to roll my own kernel with built-in ide driver and stuff that on floppy? how'd i go about making that work with discover? |
| 15:11.34 | nkuttler | ircdevil: try a google for duplex |
| 15:11.51 | foXclone | darkskiez : found it |
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| 15:12.38 | ircdevil | nkuttler: more info needed |
| 15:12.51 | gregory | jethro: if I can't boot the system with the cache, but have access to its filesystem, can I copy the packages to my cache? |
| 15:12.54 | FarrisG | jethro: That was my hunch. Why would the one work and the other not work, though? |
| 15:12.58 | ircdevil | hmmm duplex printing faq |
| 15:13.14 | FarrisG | jethro: I messed with the election numbers |
| 15:13.31 | valdyn | onre: can grub see that harddisk? |
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| 15:14.14 | onre | valdyn, well it sort-of can if i enter fake geometry in bios. |
| 15:14.31 | onre | not sure whether it'd agree on booting from it, though |
| 15:14.39 | onre | have to experiment that next |
| 15:15.04 | jethro | FarrisG: unless you run a DC or a PDC, have very high values for the os level setting of your samba server, it'll help them become master browsers |
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| 15:15.06 | terr | I've just upgraded to Sarge and there is a major problem here. How to I report it? |
| 15:15.15 | valdyn | onre: nothing wrong with a fake geometry, as long as all files that grub needs are within that area ( including the kernel you want to boot ) |
| 15:15.22 | jethro | terr: what is 'the major problem' ? |
| 15:15.25 | resiak | terr: Can you be any less vague? |
| 15:15.39 | jethro | !vagueness |
| 15:15.39 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 15:15.40 | FarrisG | jethro: What do you mean by "os level setting"? |
| 15:15.42 | Ireul | please I've deleted /var/tmp files and I can't login as normal user on kde |
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| 15:15.53 | terr | Sure I can be. Some deamons are not wait()ing their children. |
| 15:15.54 | nomed^ | hi |
| 15:16.00 | onre | valdyn ack, great. i'll go to bios and jam "page down" for some ten minutes to get cylinders at 16383. :) |
| 15:16.00 | greycat | Ireul: mkdir /var/tmp; chmod 1777 /var/tmp |
| 15:16.06 | ircdevil | is duplex printing and debian woody cups a bad mixup? |
| 15:16.08 | mwelsh | to get a copy of the kernel source, is it 'apt-get source _' and if so, what should i replace _ with? |
| 15:16.11 | jethro | FarrisG: read smb.conf |
| 15:16.18 | nomed^ | where can i find more infos about dpkg.cfg? |
| 15:16.19 | xam | !vaguenesssmite terr |
| 15:16.21 | resiak | terr: File a bug against the daemons in question. man bugreport |
| 15:16.24 | greycat | mwelsh: apt-get install kernel-source-.... |
| 15:16.30 | valdyn | onre: http://btmgr.webframe.org/ <- that one can do some thing, not sure if it can help you |
| 15:16.34 | resiak | mwelsh: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 (say) |
| 15:16.35 | Ireul | Grey: there are still files in /var/tmp |
| 15:16.35 | terr | The docs say this is innocent and just leaves entries in the process stack - this is not true - these processes max out and die. |
| 15:16.39 | mwelsh | greycat: is the ... the version? |
| 15:16.42 | mwelsh | ok |
| 15:16.45 | Ireul | greycat: there are still files in /var/tmp |
| 15:16.47 | greycat | mwelsh: but this begs the question: WHAT are you trying to do, and WHY do you think you want kernel source? |
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| 15:17.03 | valdyn | onre: well, already on first page it sais it can "search drives and partitions" so maybe that is it |
| 15:17.10 | greycat | Ireul: then what is preventing your login? |
| 15:17.17 | terr | resiak: well - the issue is why did they work in woody and why was this not already caught in testing? |
| 15:17.19 | mwelsh | im installing an app called comedi and thats the first step in the INSTALL fine |
| 15:17.24 | mwelsh | fine = file |
| 15:17.27 | resiak | terr: This is why you file the bug |
| 15:17.28 | Ireul | Grey: there was numeric name files in /var/tmp/ |
| 15:17.32 | FarrisG | jethro: Oh, ok. So how did my other samba server become a master browser if it had a low os level and did not have a bridge or interface on the 51 subnet? |
| 15:17.35 | mwelsh | 1) Get a copy of the kernel source that matches the kernel you are |
| 15:17.35 | mwelsh | running. Unpack it and copy your kernel config file to '.config' |
| 15:17.35 | mwelsh | in the top directory of your kernel source. |
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| 15:17.38 | nomed^ | is it possible to use apt-get and dpkg on a not mounted root? |
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| 15:17.42 | Ireul | greycat: there was numeric name files in /var/tmp/ |
| 15:17.47 | js | i got a drive which has a partition table that wont be changed.. i edited with fdisk and cfdisk and rebooted a couple of times, but it just resets to the old table all the time.. what can be wrong? |
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| 15:17.54 | terr | resiak: do you have any idea why this would crop up now? |
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| 15:18.02 | Ireul | greycat: there were numeric name files in /var/tmp/ like 42... |
| 15:18.05 | onre | valdyn thanks for advice. i'll try that if the faking-geometry approach fails. |
| 15:18.16 | terr | resiak: why would this not ave showed up in woody? |
| 15:18.30 | resiak | terr: Not a smegging clue. This is why I keep telling you to file a bug: that way someone who understands will see it. I've never even used Woody. |
| 15:18.31 | nomed^ | think you have a debian on /mnt/debian ... and you want to upgrade or install anew deb ...but it's not your actual root .. |
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| 15:18.39 | jethro | FarrisG: master browser is only valid per subnet, so you need your browsers in sync |
| 15:18.50 | nomed^ | how can you customize apt to work on it? is it possible? |
| 15:18.52 | jethro | FarrisG: there is a setting for that,don't recall on top of my head though |
| 15:18.57 | terr | resiak: what do you use? |
| 15:18.59 | valdyn | nomed^: chroot |
| 15:19.02 | resiak | terr: Saaarge. |
| 15:19.30 | terr | resiak: DO a ps fax for me please - tell me if you have tonnes of defunct processes? |
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| 15:20.14 | resiak | terr: For what should I grep? |
| 15:20.33 | resiak | terr: And what daemons does this affect in your experience |
| 15:20.41 | terr | resiak: don't grep anything - let it stream by and see if there are 100's of defunct processes |
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| 15:20.50 | jethro | FarrisG: I suggest you /j #samba and ask there, for they proly have the answer I lack |
| 15:20.52 | resiak | terr: Not a single one. |
| 15:20.52 | terr | for instance privoxy. |
| 15:20.55 | pzn | OT; does anyone here already published a internet-draft or rfc? I need some help... |
| 15:20.59 | resiak | terr: /me doesn't use privoxy |
| 15:21.10 | ray99 | hi, how can I add my DNS-server with CLI on Debian? |
| 15:21.13 | terr | but there are many others ansd this includes apps like kpdf |
| 15:21.28 | FarrisG | jethro: Unfortunately, you've offered more help here than I've gotten in 2 years of asking questions in #samba :) |
| 15:21.35 | resiak | terr: Not a single one, as I just said. |
| 15:21.35 | foXclone | gonna buy the Edimax EW-7128g thx directhex|work and darkskiez |
| 15:21.35 | terr | resiak: but there are many others ansd this includes apps like kpdf |
| 15:21.48 | terr | resiak: then this is something that broke. |
| 15:21.53 | jethro | heh |
| 15:21.56 | EdibleText | ray99, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:22.19 | resiak | terr: Broke on your system, you mean? |
| 15:22.23 | terr | resiak: I suspect that fileing a bug report to the privoxy group for instance is not where the problem lies. |
| 15:22.26 | greycat | mwelsh: so you're ultimately trying to build some sort of 3rd party kernel module? |
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| 15:22.47 | terr | resiak: exactly - there is something broken in the upgrade from woody to sarge. |
| 15:22.50 | greycat | mwelsh: if the 3rd party module is NOT FUCKED UP (hah, right!) then you do *NOT* want kernel-source. You want to install kernel-headers-$(uname -r), and use module-assistant. |
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| 15:23.00 | resiak | terr: Then file a bug report against that. I forget where you should do that. |
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| 15:23.05 | greycat | mwelsh: but if it *is* fucked up, then ... good luck. |
| 15:23.33 | terr | resiak: see if you can remember. If you have an idea where I should go look for this info then that will help. |
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| 15:23.53 | resiak | terr: Why not ask the channel as a whole? |
| 15:23.54 | jethro | FarrisG: I got the option, it's remote browse sync |
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| 15:24.10 | jethro | FarrisG: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html, then look for remote browse sync |
| 15:24.14 | ray99 | EdibleText while trying to ping a server like google.com, I get a : host name lookup failure ? |
| 15:24.20 | terr | resiak: I did - yesterday - you are the only one who has responded. |
| 15:24.23 | ravigehlot | no perl .pl script reads on my webbrowser...suexec is pointing to /home....scriptalias is there on httpd.conf...mod_perl is installed...permissions seem to be ok on the perl files....but I keep getting 500 Internal Server Error. The error logs don't tell me anything....what the heck is going on? |
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| 15:24.48 | terr | resiak: before I can file a bug report I have to understand the bug. You have been very helpful |
| 15:24.48 | jethro | FarrisG: it's a samba only feature though |
| 15:24.52 | resiak | Where should one report problems occuring after upgrading from Woody to Sarge? |
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| 15:26.07 | streuner | resiak: pretty unusual |
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| 15:26.27 | Jaccon | Hi, Debian Gnu/Linux ... the best distribution |
| 15:26.28 | streuner | resiak: you get no problems or you just fix them ;-) |
| 15:26.35 | js | where on a hard drive is the partition table located? |
| 15:27.10 | valdyn | !mbr |
| 15:27.17 | resiak | terr: *shrug* I try. Your report will be more helpful if you can find the cause. :) |
| 15:27.18 | FarrisG | jethro: I don't think that will be a problem, as I don't have any non-Samba file servers that are very important. Yeah, everybody has shares on their own machines, but they are all on the same segment |
| 15:27.20 | terr | streuner: possibly. This upgrade did not run smoothly - the scritps were broken. Ihave filed that report already |
| 15:27.22 | resiak | streuner: I'm asking on behalf of terr, actually :) |
| 15:27.26 | js | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 15:27.32 | terr | resiak: i think I know the cause. |
| 15:27.33 | directhex|work | Jaccon, is that a question or a statement? |
| 15:27.37 | valdyn | js: i dont know where exactly |
| 15:27.46 | jethro | FarrisG: as long as your samba are the master browsers on both subnet, everyone should be able to see everyone |
| 15:27.56 | EdibleText | Jaccon, you askin or you tellin> |
| 15:27.57 | terr | resiak: I sure hope apt kept a log. |
| 15:28.15 | resiak | terr: /var/log/ might contain those |
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| 15:28.41 | terr | resiak: I'm aware of /var/log I am a professional |
| 15:28.41 | streuner | terr: if you can't fix them, just remove that package and install it in sarge then |
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| 15:28.50 | FarrisG | jethro: The plan is to get rid of one of these samba servers, as well |
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| 15:29.06 | nipplesrulz | goes to afds98asfdQWERQ@#$%#@QRFDAEW work >< |
| 15:29.06 | resiak | terr: Sure. |
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| 15:29.13 | dpkg | [mbr] the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 15:29.25 | terr | streuner: I do not think this ahs anything to do with the packages in question. I've already tried that and apt says they are up to date. |
| 15:29.37 | jethro | FarrisG: you'll have to use dns based resolving or get rid of the multiple segments to do that |
| 15:29.54 | terr | streuner: this is something more obscure and it was caused by the broken upgrade scripts. |
| 15:30.25 | streuner | terr: about what packages do you talking? |
| 15:30.42 | gamjah | hello!, somobody using stage.deb and player.deb with KDEVELOP?? |
| 15:30.48 | resiak | !somebody |
| 15:30.48 | dpkg | methinks somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 15:31.00 | resiak | !tell gamjah -about ask |
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| 15:31.49 | ircdevil | hmmm printing have clogged my netconnection. cups and lpr shows no jobs in que, but the netstat-meter is running high. how do i locate the process responsible? |
| 15:31.53 | terr | streuner: privoxy, kpdf, artsd, xmms, firefox, eog |
| 15:32.14 | terr | it appears to me basically processes that (re)fork() |
| 15:32.36 | gamjah | do you use it resiak:? |
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| 15:32.58 | resiak | gamjah: Hell no. If you have a problem with it, why not ask about that. |
| 15:32.59 | terr | streuner: I have 100's of defunct processes |
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| 15:33.26 | streuner | terr: sounds to me rather like an kernel issue |
| 15:33.35 | shadow00 | hey guys im using vsftp on sarge...i have a small problem when I connect through ie or command line ftp it works fine but when I connect through smartftp it tells me 521 Illegal PORT command, 425 Can't open data connection, 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV |
| 15:33.45 | terr | streuner: KDE's system guard says there are 574736 processes |
| 15:33.50 | gamjah | coz i think if you havent use it you cant help me?? |
| 15:33.54 | gamjah | thanx anyway |
| 15:33.56 | gregory | I have a lot of .apt package files. Many depend on one another. How do I install them all or add them to my apt cache? |
| 15:34.00 | terr | streuner: what kernel should I be using in sarge? |
| 15:34.09 | resiak | gamjah: I can't. Of course not. Someone else might be able to help if you ask a smegging question. |
| 15:34.23 | directhex|work | terr, 2.4.27-2-*. what ARE you using? |
| 15:34.28 | streuner | terr: desktop system, new hardware? i would use 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:34.36 | resiak | shadow00: Why not read the end of the message? |
| 15:34.41 | terr | Linux io.terralogic.net 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.41 | terr | [ |
| 15:34.54 | ircdevil | network is running wild. is there no "top" for network? |
| 15:34.55 | resiak | !real kernel |
| 15:34.55 | dpkg | from memory, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 15:34.57 | resiak | terr: ^^ |
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| 15:35.19 | ray99 | hi while trying to ping a server like google.com, I get a : host name lookup failure, how could I fix this problem ? |
| 15:35.20 | gamjah | sure |
| 15:35.21 | streuner | terr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2. |
| 15:35.22 | greycat | terr: you have a woody kernel. |
| 15:35.30 | gamjah | ill try again |
| 15:35.39 | terr | greycat: ya - I noticed that yesterday. |
| 15:35.41 | greycat | terr: I'd suggest "kernel-image-2.4-686" |
| 15:35.56 | terr | so why would the upgrade scritps not update the kernel.? |
| 15:35.56 | directhex|work | greycat, or k7 |
| 15:36.07 | greycat | directhex|work: going by the i686 GNU/Linux in terr's uname -a output |
| 15:36.08 | gamjah | does anybody knows how to simulate a stage with the robots and all the stuff in KDEvelop?? |
| 15:36.09 | shadow00 | resiak: end of what messages? |
| 15:36.12 | directhex|work | terr, no, your 2.4.18-bf2.4 is up to date |
| 15:36.20 | resiak | shadow00: That error message. Have you considered using PASV? |
| 15:36.41 | gamjah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:36.51 | terr | directhex|work: are you in sarge or woody - I just upgraded to sarge and the problem came up. |
| 15:37.03 | shadow00 | resiak: I tried...but it doesn't work...is there a way to accept any mode |
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| 15:37.19 | resiak | shadow00: It clearly does work, since that's what IE and ftp are doingl. |
| 15:37.27 | ircdevil | netstat -pant doesnt show any pid for the printing process, just the process name? |
| 15:37.34 | ircdevil | not even that. |
| 15:37.40 | directhex|work | terr, i run amd64 sarge |
| 15:38.11 | terr | directhex|work: that will not tell me much then because I'm in a 1.3 gHX tualatin CPU. |
| 15:38.40 | terr | directhex|work: also - this is an upgraded MB - its on a BX440 chipsset. |
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| 15:38.44 | gregory | I have a lot of .apt package files. Many depend on one another. How do I install them all or add them to my apt cache? |
| 15:39.11 | resiak | terr: The point still stands -- you're using a kernel that you were only meant to use when you installed Woody. |
| 15:39.11 | terr | directhex|work: I wonder if this has anything to do with the hardware? |
| 15:39.11 | resiak | gregory: You have .deb files, not .apt files. dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:39.11 | ircdevil | i dont have time for this crap |
| 15:39.15 | resiak | ircdevil: What crap/ |
| 15:39.23 | terr | resiak: I would expect the upgrade scripts to replace the kernel - and they didn't. |
| 15:39.30 | resiak | terr: Theya ren't meant to. |
| 15:39.33 | jethro | gregory: apt-get install <package>, then apt-get will install the dependencies |
| 15:39.44 | resiak | terr: That's your domain. You might have a hand-rolled kernel for some obscure hardware or something. |
| 15:39.47 | directhex|work | terr, as i said, your kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 package is up to date |
| 15:39.48 | terr | resiak: I never saw that in the docs. |
| 15:39.52 | resiak | terr: *shrug* |
| 15:40.19 | terr | resiak: directhex|work says the kernel is ok - you say it is not - who is right? |
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| 15:40.49 | directhex|work | terr, i never said the kernel is okay |
| 15:40.54 | gregory | resiak: it works, thanks a lot!!! |
| 15:40.58 | resiak | terr: -bf2.4 kernels are _not_ okay. directhex|work didn't say what you think he did. Either that, or he's been snorting crack since I last heard him. |
| 15:41.04 | terr | directhex|work: you said it is up-to-date. |
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| 15:41.10 | resiak | terr: That's not the same thing. |
| 15:41.11 | directhex|work | terr, i said your 2.4.18-bf2.4 package is up to date |
| 15:41.21 | streuner | terr: just install the kernel you want |
| 15:41.24 | resiak | terr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.27; pick one, apt-get install it, reboot. |
| 15:41.27 | directhex|work | terr, that's not the package you want, but it _IS_ an up to date versionof that package |
| 15:41.40 | terr | streuner: what kernel should I use for sarge? |
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| 15:41.53 | streuner | terr: i told you, scroll up |
| 15:41.59 | terr | directhex|work: that is a very fine line you are walking. |
| 15:42.01 | directhex|work | terr, any 2.4.27-2- kernel or 2.6.8-2- kernel shown by apt-cache search |
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| 15:42.18 | streuner | <streuner> terr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2. |
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| 15:42.32 | terr | directhex|work: what am I going to run into installing a 2.6 kernel. |
| 15:42.34 | directhex|work | terr, not really. i wouldn't want an upgrade to decide to replace $foo with $bar if $foo and $bar are completely different applications |
| 15:42.36 | streuner | terr: i prefer 2.6.x kernels |
| 15:42.48 | drac | This is life. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
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| 15:43.11 | directhex|work | terr, run into? god knows. nothing bad if you're lucky. personally i only install 2.6 systems, 2.4 kernels don't get on at any point |
| 15:43.40 | drac | ;p |
| 15:43.40 | terr | directhex|work: 2.4 is an old kernel - I knew that. |
| 15:44.03 | resiak | terr: No, 2.4.27 is a new kernel, technically. :) |
| 15:44.03 | terr | directhex|work: if the upgrade requires a new kernel then it shoudl say so. |
| 15:44.26 | resiak | terr: It doesn't _require_ a new kernel! |
| 15:44.29 | directhex|work | terr, but you might already have a hand-rolled 2.4.30 |
| 15:44.33 | terr | resiak: I see no reason to be in 2.4 when 2.6 is available. I'll run into GCC problems with that 2.4 |
| 15:44.40 | resiak | terr: Bullshit. |
| 15:44.46 | directhex|work | terr, and the woody install guide says to replace your bf kernel after installation. you did read the woody install guide, right? |
| 15:44.51 | shadow00 | resiak: but I don't want to force people to have to use pasv I want it to work no matter what mode they are coming in with.. |
| 15:44.51 | resiak | terr: GCC doesn't care about your kernel. |
| 15:45.01 | resiak | shadow00: *shrug* I was only making a suggestion. |
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| 15:45.20 | terr | resiak: will all due repect. The kernel I have is clearly not compatible because I have 100's of defunct processes |
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| 15:45.25 | shadow00 | resiaK: I understand.. |
| 15:45.50 | resiak | terr: You don't _know_ it's the kernel that's at fault. It's just a good suspect. Hell, you were supposed to install a new one right after your Woody install. |
| 15:46.11 | terr | resiak: I know gcc does not care about the kernel - but I read many moons ago about some library incompatibilities and I think that might be related to the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:46.35 | resiak | terr: I think not, TBH, since 2.4 is still the default on Sarge. |
| 15:46.36 | terr | resiak: if so - where was tht information hidden? |
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| 15:46.59 | terr | resiak: ok - but not 2.4.18... |
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| 15:47.04 | resiak | terr: 16:44 < directhex|work> terr, and the woody install guide says to replace your bf kernel after installation. you did read the woody install guide, right? |
| 15:47.09 | shadow00 | anybody know how I can setup vsftp to allow post port and pasv connections |
| 15:47.09 | xk | any reason why this would happen after a apt-get upgrade in the context of apache/php/mysql: "Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" |
| 15:47.10 | raf256 | any chance for gcc 4 to be in Sarge before gcc 4 becomes non-beta? |
| 15:47.17 | resiak | raf256: Not a chance. |
| 15:47.23 | greycat | raf256: nope |
| 15:47.26 | raf256 | damn |
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| 15:47.42 | resiak | We need a gcc4 factoid. |
| 15:47.44 | terr | resiak: where is the woody install guide? I did a net install and it worked and I went on to other things. |
| 15:47.49 | greycat | nothing stops you from compiling it yourself into /usr/local though |
| 15:48.09 | raf256 | greycat: it sounds like challanging and time-consumming task ;) |
| 15:48.18 | resiak | terr: http://www.google.com/search?&q=woody%20install%20guide # The first result. |
| 15:48.20 | directhex|work | /usr/badger/snake |
| 15:48.21 | terr | xk - ya - broken scripts. Report it. |
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| 15:48.30 | xk | terr: broken scripts where? |
| 15:48.34 | directhex|work | i expect gcc 4.0 is compy compilable with the 4.1 alpha |
| 15:48.42 | directhex|work | *only |
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| 15:49.00 | terr | xk - the upgrade scripts are not 100% correct. |
| 15:49.01 | raf256 | so where can we wexpect usable release of gcc 4... |
| 15:49.04 | raf256 | like few months probably? |
| 15:49.11 | terr | resiak: thanks - let me go read that. |
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| 15:49.19 | greycat | !when will gcc4 debs be released |
| 15:49.20 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, gcc4 debs should be out by Christmas. |
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| 15:49.27 | xk | terr: ok. what is there to fix? |
| 15:49.39 | resiak | greycat: I was about to ask whether such a factoid existed :) |
| 15:49.41 | raf256 | !when will be the end of the world |
| 15:49.44 | greycat | !when will gcc4 debs be released |
| 15:49.45 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, gcc4 debs should be out by Easter. |
| 15:49.53 | greycat | see a pattern yet? |
| 15:50.12 | directhex|work | gohometime \o/ |
| 15:50.26 | raf256 | !when will saddam be released |
| 15:50.27 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, saddam should be out by Christmas. |
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| 15:50.35 | terr | xk: the mysql upgrade probably. I found two other scritps that are broken and I did report them. Then the bots bounced them and said I didn't identify the packages but not only did I idenitfy the packages I also identified how to fix them. |
| 15:50.46 | raf256 | greate \o/ so he will kick bush'es ass in the NewYear \o/ |
| 15:50.54 | terr | xk: the bots are broken too. |
| 15:51.19 | xk | broken is one thing... but how do you fix it... what is the exact problem |
| 15:51.19 | terr | xk: now I do not even know if the maintainers got the bug report. |
| 15:51.21 | directhex|work | terr, use the "reportbug" tool |
| 15:51.23 | conrad10781 | BaNaNa is spamming on join |
| 15:51.31 | resiak | !topicsmite conrad10781 |
| 15:51.32 | terr | directhex|work: I did that. |
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| 15:51.56 | terr | directhex|work: give me your email addy and I'll forward the bounce message ok? |
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| 15:52.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o+b BaNaNa *!*Necrom@*.netvigator.com] by xk |
| 15:52.06 | *** kick/#debian [BaNaNa!rfc1413@l3-202-89-186-51.arach.net.au] by xk (go eat a banana) |
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| 15:52.14 | directhex|work | terr, why the hell is that useful to either of us? |
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| 15:52.24 | directhex|work | i'm goig home now. |
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| 15:52.53 | terr | directhex|work: because if you see the message then you may be able to tell me what I did worng. In which case the report will get in if its not there now. |
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| 15:53.17 | resiak | terr: Have you got your MTA set up to send mail to the wider world? |
| 15:53.37 | terr | resiak: I sendmail for over 200 ppl. |
| 15:53.54 | resiak | terr: Just checking. That's a common reason reportbug fails. |
| 15:54.21 | terr | resiak: good point. |
| 15:54.28 | resiak | tu |
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| 15:54.35 | resiak | *autosmite* |
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| 15:55.04 | ruied | can I send the output sound of winamp to a pc running esound server ? |
| 15:55.10 | debian | ddd/last banana |
| 15:55.17 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon conrad10781. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:55.28 | resiak | dpkg: welcome back |
| 15:55.28 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 15:55.34 | xk | undefined symbol: core_glob |
| 15:55.35 | xk | als |
| 15:55.48 | ruied | I can do it wuth xmms but I cant find any info for doing that with winamp... is it possible? |
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| 15:56.35 | raf256 | how can I write simple IRC bot? |
| 15:56.46 | caphuso | raf256: you can't |
| 15:56.50 | raj | anybody familiar with KMFL? |
| 15:56.52 | raf256 | I just need function like Read() and Write() |
| 15:56.53 | caphuso | it's either simple or IRC bot |
| 15:57.07 | resiak | raf256: apt-get install libnet-irc-perl, read its docs, write one in Perl. |
| 15:57.23 | raf256 | or, is there an posisiblity to do something like: |
| 15:57.33 | raf256 | ./boot < irc-inout > irc-output |
| 15:57.37 | PerfDave | Oh god, don't use Net::IRC when there's POE::Component::IRC available ;) |
| 15:57.43 | raf256 | and inside the program cin/cout will be connected to irc |
| 15:57.48 | xk | fucking hell. |
| 15:57.48 | xk | bah, POE is ugly as ass |
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| 15:58.08 | PerfDave | It's ugly as ass, but it's much nicer than Net::IRC :) |
| 15:58.12 | caphuso | i've never managed to grok what POE actually is |
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| 15:58.21 | greycat | edgar allen? |
| 15:58.25 | resiak | raf256: You really should go read up on sockets, IPC and your nearest IRC library for your language of choice. |
| 15:58.28 | resiak | greycat: EDGAR ALLEN, you mean. |
| 15:58.38 | greycat | allan*, sorry |
| 15:58.50 | greycat | I knew it was an unusual spelling of "Alan" |
| 15:58.56 | raf256 | resiak: yeah, I even got book about linux sockets \o/ |
| 15:58.59 | caphuso | greycat: nah, i quothed that one a long time ago |
| 15:59.00 | xk | so how am I supposed to fix this mysql.so issue? |
| 15:59.02 | resiak | raf256: \o/ indeed. |
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| 15:59.12 | resiak | xk: You have checked the BTS, i presume? |
| 15:59.17 | xk | resiak: nope. |
| 15:59.26 | resiak | !bts |
| 15:59.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:59.46 | xk | I have never touched bts in the last 8 years ;o |
| 15:59.54 | resiak | xk: You using Sarge? |
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| 16:00.04 | sussudio | in soviet russia, BTS touches you (in the bad way) |
| 16:00.13 | xk | resiak: yes |
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| 16:00.24 | streuner | haha |
| 16:00.26 | resiak | xk: Just checking whether I should shoot you orn ot :) |
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| 16:00.34 | terr | ok - I found it - here is the subject of the bug report: Subject: bug in deb package install for nano_1.2.4-3_i386.d |
| 16:00.36 | soccos | how do I make aptitude install a package with an [UNAVAILABLE] dependency (java)? |
| 16:00.37 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.38 | xk | zts/mysql.so |
| 16:00.41 | streuner | resiak: stop it or i have to lart you :-) |
| 16:00.42 | resiak | soccos: You install java. |
| 16:00.48 | xk | fucking hell, can't paste wrapped lines from screen |
| 16:00.53 | soccos | resiak: it is install |
| 16:00.56 | resiak | streuner: Stop touching him? |
| 16:01.02 | resiak | !tell soccos about install java |
| 16:01.06 | resiak | soccos: Installed like that? |
| 16:01.10 | terr | The reponce from the bot: Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start |
| 16:01.25 | terr | IMHO it sure does have a package... |
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| 16:01.49 | terr | streuner: what is "lart" |
| 16:01.50 | Delph | is your mail config munging the outgoing mail? |
| 16:01.54 | jethro | !wtf lart |
| 16:01.56 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 16:01.59 | jethro | damn dpkg |
| 16:02.00 | streuner | !lart foo |
| 16:02.13 | jethro | terr: it's a Luser Attitude Readjustement Tool |
| 16:02.22 | terr | jethro: thanx |
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| 16:02.43 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.56 | jethro | one should apt-get install bsdgames on the host dpkg is on |
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| 16:03.07 | terr | I have this kink in my left shoulder that feels like a knife has been jabbed in and this comes from installing sarge. |
| 16:03.17 | terr | !kink |
| 16:03.17 | dpkg | well, kink is a crazy dawg |
| 16:03.32 | soccos | resiak: so have to get java from sun and package it into a .deb and install it? |
| 16:03.35 | terr | !kinky |
| 16:03.35 | dpkg | [kinky] FOODLUBE AIR-FLO - http://www.rocol.com/english/product/maintainence/product_info/technicalsheets/1541.html |
| 16:03.36 | eps_ | apple hates me |
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| 16:03.55 | eps_ | my ipod always gets a power warning when I plug it in to a usb port under linux |
| 16:04.03 | resiak | soccos: You can also set up symlinks yourself and tell dpkg that it's there. I don't know how -- I haven't installed Java. |
| 16:04.04 | eps_ | under windows it is fine :| |
| 16:04.14 | eps_ | is linux not outputting 500ma to the usb ports? |
| 16:04.28 | Gathond | eps_: might not be |
| 16:04.47 | PerfDave | I like Linux even better if it doesn't work with iPods ;) |
| 16:04.48 | xk | eps_: usb 1.1 or 2.0? which ipod? |
| 16:04.52 | eps_ | gah, I don't want to boot into windows just to charge my ipod |
| 16:04.53 | soccos | resiak: arg, I think I'll just get argouml from elsewhere -- thanks for the tips |
| 16:05.04 | eps_ | xk 1.1 and 2.0, g4 ipod (40gig) |
| 16:05.04 | PerfDave | That'll teach people to buy overhyped shit from their DRM overlords. |
| 16:05.16 | terr | directhex|work: what is wrong with this bug report subject line: Subject: bug in deb package install for nano_1.2.4-3_i386.deb |
| 16:05.21 | eps_ | I don't even need it to sync, just charge (without the dock as I am out of power points) |
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| 16:05.58 | greycat | terr: you didn't say what the bug is. |
| 16:06.16 | caphuso | terr: a lot of things. 1) you don't need to put package name and version in the subject and 2) it's not descriptive at all because it doesn't say what the bug is |
| 16:06.17 | FarrisG | new twist in my samba problem: The offending samba server on the offending segment IS browsable using \\F.Q.D.N, but not by hostname alone. This confuses me even more. Any ideas? |
| 16:06.21 | seldon | PerfDave: Chance has it that'll rather teach people to use crappy systems that work with overhyped shit from drm overlords. |
| 16:06.24 | terr | greycat: that is the SUBJECT line. In the body of the email I told them how to fix it. |
| 16:06.58 | greycat | terr: example of a good Subject: Subject: install fails (/usr/lib/foo: No such file or directory) |
| 16:06.59 | terr | caphuso: the bot should be able to accept the exact script |
| 16:07.06 | PerfDave | seldon: Oh well, we'll just have to round them up and shoot them ;) |
| 16:07.24 | caphuso | terr: huh? |
| 16:07.26 | seldon | I doubt they'll be able to use Linux after that... |
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| 16:07.34 | caphuso | terr: what have bots to do with it? |
| 16:07.40 | PerfDave | seldon: But they won't be able to use iPods either. |
| 16:07.51 | terr | Pakage: nano |
| 16:07.51 | terr | Version: 1.2.4-3_i386.d |
| 16:08.01 | eps_ | welp, night all :) |
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| 16:08.21 | terr | caphuso: because a bot send me a message and I do not know if the bug report is filed or not.: |
| 16:08.41 | terr | caphuso: Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start |
| 16:08.41 | greycat | what does the message *say*? |
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| 16:08.52 | terr | greycat: Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start |
| 16:09.13 | seldon | They won't be able to complain either, but I still don't think they'll like being rounded up and shot... |
| 16:09.18 | greycat | then off hand I'd say your bug report was rejected |
| 16:09.25 | PerfDave | seldon: That'll teach them to use iPods ;) |
| 16:09.33 | PerfDave | reportbug |
| 16:09.35 | sml | FarrisG: looks like SMB broadcasting isn't working |
| 16:09.50 | greycat | terr: make sure the Package: line is the very first line of the body of the bug-report email (after the blank line after the header). |
| 16:09.57 | caphuso | terr: out of curiousity, how do you jump from "missing Package: line" to "what's wrong with this Subject: line"? |
| 16:09.57 | sml | FarrisG: all this stuff is documented quite nicely in the Samba docs. |
| 16:09.58 | terr | greycat: ya - I thought so too - but the bot doesn't say that! |
| 16:10.10 | greycat | terr: 12:08 terr> greycat: Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start |
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| 16:10.14 | jethro | FarrisG: you used the remote browse sync directive as I told you earlier? |
| 16:10.20 | greycat | terr: it *does* say that. I just made it a bit more verbose. |
| 16:10.27 | terr | greycat: it is. If you send me your addy I'll forward the bounce report. |
| 16:10.51 | greycat | terr: put it on rafb.net |
| 16:11.00 | terr | greycat: wht computer people have is a real problem in knowing how to communicate. |
| 16:11.22 | EdibleText | FarrisG, is the samba on the offending segment the Prefered Master Browser and the Local Master (and is the OS strength up high) |
| 16:11.30 | terr | greycat: what is rafb.net? |
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| 16:12.04 | greycat | terr: um. 1) if you feel the bug tracking system is flawed, you can file a bug against it. 2) the communication seems clear to *us* because we have 25 years of working experience with computer systems. if it's unclear to *you*, it's not because we're trying to be obtuse. |
| 16:12.14 | geit | When I installed exim, internet site was selected. Mail to local users are delivererd with the fqdn. Is this normal? |
| 16:12.24 | greycat | terr: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 16:12.33 | terr | greycat: I have more than 25 years of experiance son. |
| 16:12.37 | seldon | PerfDave: Well...I guess this works, if all you care about is having nobody use iPods. It's a rather maniac approach to the problem, though... |
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| 16:12.53 | greycat | terr: then how come you can't manage to grok "your email didn't begin with a Package: line"? |
| 16:13.03 | greycat | terr: and how come you can't grok "put it on rafb.net"? |
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| 16:13.17 | caphuso | and how come you managed to delete the Package: line reportbug inserted? |
| 16:13.20 | simonrvn | of what, misspelling 'experience'? |
| 16:13.34 | greycat | simonrvn: I decided not to go there. |
| 16:13.45 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 16:13.53 | greycat | there were plenty of serious flaws already, without adding spelling mistakes |
| 16:13.57 | terr | greycat: because it does begine with a package line. If there is some particular syntax that needs to be used this the bug report mechanizm should specify same |
| 16:14.31 | terr | greycat: the bot doesn't say if or if not the message was accepted. It is totally vague. |
| 16:14.44 | FarrisG | jethro: Yes, I used the remote browse sync option, still no change. |
| 16:15.00 | Gathond | resiak: dont know, but I think I will get some experience with driving my bike home :) |
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| 16:15.14 | FarrisG | EdibleText: Yes, the samba server is the master browser |
| 16:15.28 | FarrisG | EdibleText: Or at least it is supposed to be |
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| 16:15.44 | terr | greycat: it goes off on a tangent about 69 degrees and says the subject line makes it "harder for us" |
| 16:15.44 | EdibleText | FarrisG, and is the 'main' samba the DOmain Master Browser? |
| 16:15.49 | FarrisG | Is there any way to get a list of master browsers from a windows client? |
| 16:16.10 | greycat | terr: put the whole thing on rafb.net/paste so we can see it |
| 16:16.19 | greycat | terr: then tell us the URL |
| 16:16.22 | terr | greycat: ok. just a sec. |
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| 16:16.48 | FarrisG | EdibleText: Yes, but I intend for the currently misbehaving one to take over. This is why it's so confusing -- neither one of these machines is even "on" the 51 segment, which is where every machine can browse both servers fine |
| 16:17.04 | ecliptik | how do I tar up a dir with the exact permissions for a backup? tar --preserve? |
| 16:17.13 | PerfDave | seldon: Nah, after the first few the others will be encouraged ;) |
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| 16:18.03 | greycat | ecliptik: --preserve is "like -p -s" and both -p and -s are options that are only used on *extraction*. |
| 16:18.26 | seldon | Think about it - you may scare people away from the iPod, but the week after that, they'll start buying the newest MS PowerPod XP 2005, and you'll have to start all over again. |
| 16:18.45 | ecliptik | greycat, so after I untarred them and some files lost their x permission it could because I ommited that tag on extraction? |
| 16:18.51 | terr | greycat: its posted. |
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| 16:19.11 | greycat | ecliptik: what does "tar tvf _tarball_" show it to be? |
| 16:19.15 | ecliptik | greycat, even though the owners are correct |
| 16:19.19 | greycat | terr: you have to tell us the URL now... |
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| 16:19.43 | EdibleText | FarrisG, the crosssubnet browsing works by collecting a list of shares and then sharing it with other servers. What you want to happend is to choose a server to be the Domain Master Browser that will eventually have _ALL_ the lists from all the remote Local Masters. YOu then use this 'main' server as your WINS server. |
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| 16:20.04 | PerfDave | seldon: That's OK, ammunition is cheaper than music players ;) |
| 16:20.06 | greycat | 25 years of experience. and he can't work a paste site. |
| 16:20.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 16:20.38 | *** mode/#debian [+e _cd_!*@*] by greycat |
| 16:20.43 | terr | greycat: that is a very explicit bug report - thankyou!!! seriously - I was trying to find out hoe RAFO.net works.... http://rafb.net/paste/results/K0No9Z50.html |
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| 16:21.07 | ecliptik | greycat, it shows it without the x, so it looks like the original command wasn't correct |
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| 16:21.30 | caphuso | terr: urgh, you put stuff _before_ the Package: line |
| 16:21.40 | terr | rafo b=put this under c++ |
| 16:21.49 | seldon | PerfDave: But there are more music player users than maniacs that shoot music player users |
| 16:21.58 | FarrisG | EdibleText: This appears to be how the original server was configured. But configuring the new one (which will replace the original) the same way, and configuring the old one NOT to be the Domain/Local Master Browser any longer, does not have the desired effect |
| 16:22.06 | ecliptik | I'm trying to move my /home partition to a new drive, so I figured a big tar ball would be best, maybe I'll just try a cp -R |
| 16:22.12 | greycat | caphuso: is this guy for real, or is he trolling us? |
| 16:22.21 | terr | caphuso: I would assume they scan the whole subject line. They certainly do nto say they do not scan it - they do not say what format the subject line should be in. |
| 16:22.23 | greycat | terr: don't worry about the C++ thing. not important. |
| 16:22.26 | caphuso | terr: fuck |
| 16:22.34 | caphuso | terr: stop talking about the SUBJECT line |
| 16:22.34 | PerfDave | seldon: But one maniac can shoot more crap music player owners than crap music player owners can own crap music players ;) |
| 16:22.35 | EdibleText | FarrisG, is the newone now tht WINS server and the DMB as well? |
| 16:22.48 | greycat | terr: you inserted text before "Package:". That's why it's rejected. |
| 16:22.49 | valdyn | terr: why not use 'reportbug' ? |
| 16:22.50 | terr | caphuso: it shold be pretty obvious that if they have a syntax requirment they shold indicate what it is. |
| 16:22.52 | caphuso | greycat: i thin he's just really stupiud |
| 16:22.55 | EdibleText | !browsing.txt |
| 16:22.57 | Delph | terr: they *do* |
| 16:22.58 | caphuso | ^iu^i |
| 16:23.00 | riot | there's a new pope.. (DAMN!!) |
| 16:23.12 | caphuso | terr: the subject line is for _humans_ |
| 16:23.18 | riot | i was hoping, they'd abolish that.. |
| 16:23.20 | greycat | riot: is there a new Gnu? |
| 16:23.22 | EdibleText | !pope |
| 16:23.24 | seldon | I think it'd be easier to shoot the players rather than the owners, though. Someone may pick up the player afterwards and you'll have gained nothing. |
| 16:23.31 | terr | valdyn: I was up for 18 hours when I filed this and I thought I did use the bug report system. |
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| 16:23.38 | terr | Delph: tell me where? |
| 16:23.40 | riot | greycat: There's only one gnu. Long live the Gnu. |
| 16:23.42 | Delph | terr: there's a very nice link in that email |
| 16:23.50 | Delph | to a page called HOW TO REPORT A BUG IN DEBIAN |
| 16:24.03 | Delph | it includes explicit details on sending the bug report via e-mail |
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| 16:24.10 | greycat | valdyn: he used reportbug but he screwed up the report by sticking crap before the Package: line. Then the bounce-bot told him he screwed up, by putting stuff before the Package: line. But he didn't understand the bot. |
| 16:24.13 | FarrisG | EdibleText: Yes, according to its smb.conf. I don't know how to tell if it actually took or not. |
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| 16:24.41 | greycat | It also says "Please _resubmit_ ..." |
| 16:24.58 | greycat | so his whine that he didn't know whether it was accepted or not is *also* nonsensical. |
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| 16:25.28 | caphuso | greycat: i think he left out a decimal dot in his 25 years of experience |
| 16:25.51 | greycat | caphuso: he's 250 years out of date? that might explain it. |
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| 16:26.23 | terr | Delph: I read that before: Here is the first non-specific blunder: Please don't report several unrelated bugs. What does several mean? If they want individual reports then why not say so? |
| 16:27.02 | FarrisG | Samba 3's docs do not appear to come packaged with BROWSING.txt on Debian |
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| 16:27.02 | greycat | terr: several means *more than one*. |
| 16:27.02 | terr | Delph: all they need to say is "Please file individual bug reports. then a quick explanation why. |
| 16:27.02 | greycat | terr: put each bug in a separate report. |
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| 16:27.09 | PerfDave | FarrisG: Is there a seperate samba-doc package? |
| 16:27.17 | greycat | terr: file a bug report against the BTS if you want it to be improved. |
| 16:27.19 | valdyn | terr: sure it could be more foolproof, but you just probably oversaw: screwed up, by putting stuff before the Package: line. But he |
| 16:27.20 | Delph | terr: if you can work out the bug system, file a bug against the BTS |
| 16:27.22 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.26 | terr | greycat: several can mean more than ten as well. It is a non-specific word. |
| 16:27.35 | valdyn | terr: *** Please type your report below this line *** |
| 16:27.43 | PerfDave | !dict several |
| 16:27.45 | dpkg | Dictionary 'several' (5 of 15): 2. Persons oe objects, more than two, but not very many. ;; Each might his several province well command, Would all but stoop to what they understand. --Pope. ;; Several \Sev"er*al\, adv. By itself; severally. [Obs.] ;; Four several armies to the field are led. --Dryden. ;; Habits and faculties, several, and to be distinguished. --Bacon.. |
| 16:27.48 | greycat | terr: so file a bug report. we're USERS here. we can't do anything about it. |
| 16:27.49 | terr | greycat: the email bounce is so non specific that it does not say how to do this. |
| 16:27.52 | Delph | terr: it's a non-specific word which means more than one. |
| 16:28.19 | Delph | hence, don't file more than one -> file only one |
| 16:28.26 | jasz | is there a channel dedicated to X problems? |
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| 16:28.39 | Delph | jasz: there might be one for your variety of X |
| 16:28.44 | Delph | eg xfree xorg |
| 16:29.09 | simonrvn | ##xfree86 |
| 16:29.10 | terr | greycat: well - I know what you are saying. I'll be talking with Stallman in a month and probably pass on some of my feelings. |
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| 16:29.29 | terr | greycat: we have him comming in to town in May18. |
| 16:29.30 | greycat | oh dear god. |
| 16:29.33 | greycat | *troll* |
| 16:29.35 | caphuso | terr: yes, do that |
| 16:29.38 | valdyn | terr: stallman is not affiliated with debian |
| 16:29.49 | caphuso | terr: while you're on it, the new pope might want to hear about it too |
| 16:29.54 | thomas_adam | This sounds like one big ego-boost. |
| 16:29.59 | terr | valdyn: he uses it and he is influential. |
| 16:30.10 | caphuso | terr: he doesn't use it and he has no influence at all |
| 16:30.20 | simonrvn | yeh, how to piss off the project |
| 16:30.25 | terr | caphuso: ok - I'll tell my uncle who is a bisphop. thanks - good idea. |
| 16:30.34 | caphuso | terr: now get your ego out of this channel |
| 16:30.48 | terr | caphuso: ok... it was just a passing thought. I'll have forgotten about this by then. |
| 16:30.57 | terr | caphuso: LOL. |
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| 16:31.48 | Dforge | Hello - Is there a good faq for setting up sarge to work with the 2.6.11.7 from source? |
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| 16:31.59 | greycat | Dforge: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:32.20 | terr | caphuso: do we have a new pope? |
| 16:32.24 | resiak | terr: We do. |
| 16:32.29 | caphuso | terr: _I_ don't |
| 16:32.44 | terr | resiak: its been on the news but I didn't hear anything. |
| 16:32.47 | Dforge | greycat: What isn't doing anything for me. |
| 16:32.51 | simonrvn | *i* don't either. haven't been catholic since i apostated |
| 16:32.52 | resiak | terr: Being announced at :45 |
| 16:32.52 | js | how can i set the default ulimit for all users, shell and not? |
| 16:32.53 | Dforge | s/what/that |
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| 16:33.14 | caphuso | js: check /etc/security/limits.conf and the pam_limits stuff in /etc/pam.d/* |
| 16:33.22 | js | caphuso: great, thanks |
| 16:33.35 | terr | caphuso: well - you must be a non-catholic then. WHen I was a kid they told me you guys were all banned from Heaven. Only true catholics could get into heaven. |
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| 16:33.50 | Dforge | I'm used to setting up the 2.6.x kernel in gentoo - Debian is just giving me a cannot open root device sda1. udev is installed and the module for my SATA controller exists |
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| 16:34.00 | terr | resiak: did you get this infor from slashdot? haha |
| 16:34.10 | resiak | terr: No, I got this info from IRC, just like you just did. |
| 16:34.12 | Dforge | There is a new pope |
| 16:34.19 | greycat | Dforge: you built your disk controller as a MODULE? no wonder. |
| 16:34.25 | simonrvn | doh |
| 16:34.26 | seldon | Well then, who is it? |
| 16:34.32 | simonrvn | ledet is |
| 16:34.32 | Dforge | greycat.... okay... I'll try native |
| 16:34.33 | pipeline | terr: You're uncle's a bishop and you know RMS? Holy guacomole, you must be l33t and important! |
| 16:34.36 | resiak | seldon: It's being announced at :45 |
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| 16:34.39 | terr | resiak: boy I just love modren communications. haha |
| 16:34.41 | greycat | Dforge: if your disk controller is a module, you must build an initrd-capable kernel and an initrd to contain the modules, etc. |
| 16:34.46 | christor | Please I have added a second hard disk in my linux and I can t write on it? |
| 16:34.56 | greycat | Dforge: use a debian kernel image |
| 16:35.07 | dvst | hi, has anybody ever use htdig for use with mailman? |
| 16:35.10 | seldon | Whew. That means they won't interrupt star trek for the announcement ;P |
| 16:35.12 | Dforge | greycat: The debian image is old |
| 16:35.14 | resiak | !anyone |
| 16:35.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:35.22 | greycat | Dforge: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:35.24 | resiak | Dforge: Higher number != better |
| 16:35.46 | Dforge | Sigh - I've had way too many issues with < 2.6.10 DVD burning |
| 16:36.03 | greycat | !find kernel-image-2.6.10 sid |
| 16:36.04 | terr | pipeline: two of my uncles are preists and an aunt is a num. it runs in the family. I considere it but dropped the idea when I found out that non of my friends who weren't catholic could get into their heaven. I wanted an open-heaven |
| 16:36.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.10' (10): kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-9-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-9-em64t-p4-smp. |
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| 16:36.09 | jasz | i have a system with 3 the following video cards: 1st: A S3 Savage OnBoard on PCI:1:0:0 - 2nd: An ATI Rage 3D on PCI:0:8:0 - 3rd: a S3 Trio64 on PCI:0:10:0 ... I've tried to configure the three but only two of them will work at the same time depending on my BIOS Setting, when I make AGP(Savage) as primary boot display, only the Savage and the Trio will work and I'll get an error saying that there is a problem assigning memory .... whe |
| 16:36.09 | jasz | n I make PCI as primary boot display only the ATI and the Trio will work and I'll get an error saying that the Savage can't start (Cannot Read V_BIOS) ... any ideas on how to fix this problem? |
| 16:36.21 | resiak | /j #religion# |
| 16:36.24 | jasz | wow... 2 lines... long question :P |
| 16:36.29 | Dforge | nm. I'll just keep using make-kpg until I figure this out |
| 16:36.31 | valdyn | Dforge: afaik the 2.6.11 kernel image in sid contains _all_ the patches including 2.6.11.7 |
| 16:36.33 | terr | we should set up an www.openheaven.org organisation |
| 16:36.45 | Petro | Hi, I'm using Debian Sarge, how do I see what devices in /dev/ could eventually be mounted? |
| 16:36.46 | simonrvn | oh ffs, please shut up |
| 16:36.47 | anhi | just build the kernel from source with the patches you need |
| 16:36.52 | resiak | Petro: You use udev |
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| 16:37.00 | Dforge | valdyn: Is it save to mix sid packages w/ sarge? |
| 16:37.03 | simonrvn | that's better |
| 16:37.06 | Dforge | s/save/safe |
| 16:37.06 | resiak | !tell Dforge -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 16:37.13 | valdyn | Dforge: not generally, but in this case, yes |
| 16:37.16 | anhi | Dforge: i mix sid with ubuntu :D |
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| 16:37.25 | Dforge | good lord. |
| 16:37.27 | resiak | anhi: Dare I scream #ubuntu at you? |
| 16:37.37 | resiak | anhi: You're not even in there! |
| 16:37.44 | anhi | resiak: no since i run debian/sid with xorg from ubuntu :D |
| 16:37.55 | Petro | resiak: Do I just have to install the package or do I need to recompile my kernel? |
| 16:38.01 | resiak | anhi: Oh. Phrases such as "FTLOGMW?" spring to mind. |
| 16:38.02 | PerfDave | resiak: #ubuntu are shit at supporting Ubuntu, let alone weird-ass debian/ubuntu hybrids. |
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| 16:38.22 | resiak | Petro: Are you using a 2.6? |
| 16:38.36 | Petro | resiak: 2.6.8 stock debian testing |
| 16:38.38 | resiak | godsmoke: What an appropriate nick. |
| 16:38.42 | resiak | Petro: apt-get install udev |
| 16:38.48 | simonrvn | for once |
| 16:38.51 | Petro | and then reboot? |
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| 16:38.53 | godsmoke | resiak: wha? |
| 16:38.57 | resiak | Petro: In this single case, yes. |
| 16:39.03 | resiak | godsmoke: The smoke has just emerged from the Vatican. |
| 16:39.07 | Petro | Ok, tata for now |
| 16:39.10 | godsmoke | resiak: a long time ago |
| 16:39.11 | Dforge | yeah. |
| 16:39.16 | godsmoke | they only confirmed it, but ok |
| 16:39.17 | simonrvn | the big fart |
| 16:39.20 | ecliptik | how come apache is giving mr "forbidden" errors when the permissions are set correctly? |
| 16:39.32 | resiak | ecliptik: Because they aren't? ;) |
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| 16:39.52 | stew | ecliptik: thats not permissions is that the directory doesn't have indexes turned on in apache |
| 16:40.02 | ecliptik | resiak, they're -rw-r--r-- owner www-data |
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| 16:40.42 | jasz | ecliptik, you need to configure /etc/apache/httpd.conf and add "Options Indexes" to the config of that directory you want to browse... |
| 16:41.16 | ecliptik | jasz, I have that enabled |
| 16:41.36 | ecliptik | and I don't want to browse them, here's an example: http://skankingbart.ecliptik.com/gallery/index.php |
| 16:41.54 | PerfDave | ecliptik: Have you read /var/log/apache/error.log ? |
| 16:42.04 | ecliptik | notice how all the images and style sheets aren't working? I was getting forbidden till I changed all .php files to x |
| 16:42.27 | greycat | CGI programs must be executable, yes. |
| 16:42.47 | greycat | it's hard to execute things that don't have execute permissions |
| 16:42.52 | _cd_ | is it enough to change stable to testing in sources.list to go from woody to sarge? |
| 16:43.05 | ecliptik | greycat, but they executed fine before I moved it to a new partition |
| 16:43.10 | FieldySnuts | or like i learned, if they are on a partition that is using the noexec option |
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| 16:43.25 | greycat | ecliptik: they lost their +x permissions during your move? |
| 16:43.42 | FieldySnuts | @lart resiak |
| 16:43.43 | stew | .php files don't need +x |
| 16:43.43 | jasz | :( .... i cant get to work my 3rd monitor :( |
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| 16:43.51 | greycat | stew: depends on what you're doing with them. |
| 16:44.00 | greycat | stew: if you're running them as standalone CGIs, they do. |
| 16:44.06 | stew | yeah |
| 16:44.08 | stew | but he's not |
| 16:44.20 | greycat | stew: which you know because...? |
| 16:44.26 | ecliptik | greycat, it appears that way, hence the tar question earlier |
| 16:44.32 | stew | oh i guess i don't |
| 16:44.36 | greycat | ecliptik: you used tar to do the move? |
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| 16:44.53 | FieldySnuts | next time use rsync, makes life a lot easier |
| 16:45.09 | ecliptik | greycat, yes, I tarred up my /home on an old drive with --preserve, then untarred them onto the new partition |
| 16:45.23 | resiak | ecliptik: Did you untar with --preserve? |
| 16:45.39 | ecliptik | resiak, no, I didn't think I had to, and the man page didn't say much on that |
| 16:45.49 | resiak | ecliptik: That's the only time that you need to, AFAIK; |
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| 16:46.10 | greycat | 12:18 greycat> ecliptik: --preserve is "like -p -s" and both -p and -s are options that are only used on *extraction*. |
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| 16:46.54 | ecliptik | eh, wonderful, guess I'll have to wait to get home and do this all over again |
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| 16:47.09 | jason_123 | is there any way to capture the standard output of an already running program? (not executed from terminal) |
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| 16:47.31 | greycat | jason_123: no. |
| 16:47.50 | ecliptik | resiak, wait, even though when I do a tar -tvzf to view the contents of the archive the permissions are the same for when they are untarred? |
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| 16:48.19 | jasz | system with 3 video cards: 1st: S3 Savage OnBoard on PCI:1:0:0 - 2nd: ATI Rage 3D on PCI:0:8:0 - 3rd: S3 Trio64 on PCI:0:10:0 ... only two of them will work at the same time depending on my BIOS Setting, when I make AGP(Savage) as primary, only the Savage and the Trio will work and I'll get an error saying that there is a problem assigning memory .... when I make PCI as primary only the ATI and the Trio will work and I'll get an error |
| 16:48.20 | jasz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.29 | resiak | ecliptik: *shrug* I'm not sure. I generally use rsync |
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| 16:49.00 | OBcecado | hi ppl, i need help here: http://www.linux-m68k.org/debian-mac.html |
| 16:49.11 | resiak | OBcecado: Could you be any more specific? |
| 16:49.28 | OBcecado | where can i get the files ? install.sit.hqx resc1440.bin drv1440.bin |
| 16:49.32 | OBcecado | sorry i was still writing |
| 16:49.37 | resiak | !tell OBcecado -about enter |
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| 16:49.57 | ecliptik | resiak, with rsync, what is it? rsync -a /mnt/hda3 /mnt/hdb3 ? |
| 16:50.01 | simonrvn | OBcecado: use megatron from netatalk to convert the hqx file |
| 16:50.35 | OBcecado | i got a quadra 800, and i was reading stuff about how to install debian there, but i came into that problem |
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| 16:50.42 | OBcecado | i cant find the files :'/ |
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| 16:50.53 | Radiance | hm, after some script is ran related to apcupsd i get these messages: wall: /dev/ttyp2: Input/output error |
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| 16:50.55 | resiak | ecliptik: I use -avt, but yes, -a./ |
| 16:51.06 | ecliptik | resiak, thanks |
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| 16:51.40 | ecliptik | I wonder if it would have anything with me using resier4 on the new partition instead of ext3.... |
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| 16:52.09 | Smerdyakov | What are the easiest command-line ways to get the following information, for use by a program: (1) The one-line short description of an apt package by name; (2) Whether or not a particular apt package is installed. |
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| 16:52.31 | PerfDave | Smerdyakov: dpkg -l |
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| 16:54.05 | Smerdyakov | That doesn't work for uninstalled packages. |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | Smerdyakov: COLUNMS=200 dpkg -l | awk '....' |
| 16:54.12 | greycat | Smerdyakov: why not? |
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| 16:54.50 | Smerdyakov | "dpkg -l <uninstalled package>" yields "No packages found matching <uninstalled package>." |
| 16:55.23 | PerfDave | Smerdyakov: Which tells you that the package is not installed. |
| 16:55.24 | greycat | Smerdyakov: oh, and you *wanted* the description on not-installed packages? apt-cache, then. |
| 16:55.28 | Smerdyakov | I guess all I need now is the one-line short description, though, because this definitely tells me if the package is instaleld. |
| 16:55.35 | Unskill3d | what window system do u use? will xfree die? |
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| 16:55.44 | PerfDave | Unskill3d: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 16:55.49 | Smerdyakov | greycat, shortest command line to give just the short description? |
| 16:55.51 | greycat | u doesn't use x. professional rivalry. |
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| 16:56.04 | greycat | Smerdyakov: man apt-cache |
| 16:56.34 | Farhan | i try too dule boot a dell and it won't like it much. grub gos weird and it gives me an error 21... |
| 16:56.43 | greycat | I've heard that u has tried c a few times, though. |
| 16:56.47 | abrotman | greycat: i'd like to use u :) |
| 16:56.48 | seldon | dpkg -s packagename | grep Status | cut -d " " -f 4 should do the trick |
| 16:56.49 | dpkg | cut -d " " -f 4 should do the trick: Status: install ok installed |
| 16:56.52 | Smerdyakov | greycat, I did, and I don't see a way to get just the description. Do I need to parse the output some? |
| 16:57.02 | greycat | Smerdyakov: probably |
| 16:57.31 | OBcecado | can i please get some help about how to get those files ? (Debian-m68k-2.1-Mac.img.hqx resc1440.bin drv1440.bin base2_1.tgz) i cant find them in any server, that slink directory (as its in the howto http://www.linux-m68k.org/debian-mac.html) |
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| 16:58.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart hqx |
| 16:58.17 | abrotman | OBcecado: did you read the install guide? |
| 16:58.29 | Smerdyakov | OK, thanks. Final question: is there a uniform URL scheme at debian.org for info on a package name in a particular distribution (testing, in this case), without requiring determining which section the package is in? |
| 16:58.31 | OBcecado | i did, but i cant pass that stage, i cant find the files |
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| 16:59.12 | simonrvn | Smerdyakov: packages.debian.org, the search boxes near the bottom |
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| 16:59.35 | shadow00 | anybody on that works with vsftp? |
| 16:59.37 | abrotman | OBcecado: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-m68k/ there? |
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| 16:59.46 | Smerdyakov | simonrvn, this is for a programmatic interface. I don't want to _find_ the package; I want to generate a link to it with the minimal hassle. |
| 16:59.53 | Zibar | opera.com is overloaded - anyone have a source for opera 8 deb package ? |
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| 17:00.06 | simonrvn | Smerdyakov: yes, that would work |
| 17:00.21 | yildirim | hi, i want to reinstall lib pakages of mysql.. how can i do that ? apt-get install --reinstall mysql4.1 packname does not work :S |
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| 17:00.36 | Smerdyakov | simonrvn, wouldn't it require an extra click by the user on the search results page? |
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| 17:00.58 | shadow00 | I have set port_enable=YES and pasv=YES and I can't get port mode to work this is using vsftp |
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| 17:01.15 | js | is there a kernel variable or something that i can set to disable or enable coredumps? |
| 17:01.17 | OBcecado | abrotman ive been there but the filenames arent the same, should i do that anyways ? |
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| 17:01.21 | Smerdyakov | I guess I will get the section from apt-cache and generate the URL's that way. A shame! |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | OBcecado: i don't own an m68k machine .. it was a guess .. which are you trying ot install woody or sarge? |
| 17:01.43 | OBcecado | woody |
| 17:02.10 | simonrvn | Smerdyakov: not with this sort of thing: http://packages.debian.org/somepackagenamehere |
| 17:02.14 | notty | hello, if i have a bridge... br0 is the interface and eth0 and eth1 the real interfaces.... how can i filter traffic that comes only from eth1 for example ? |
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| 17:02.36 | abrotman | OBcecado: i've never installed an m68k .. so i can't help too much .. but the files you need should be there .. |
| 17:02.45 | OBcecado | ok, thanks for your help |
| 17:02.52 | OBcecado | i will try to do that |
| 17:03.08 | abrotman | OBcecado: the install guide says http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-m68k/current/mac/images-1.44/ |
| 17:03.13 | abrotman | !tell OBcecado about ig |
| 17:03.17 | Smerdyakov | simonrvn, I don't want the list of the versions in different releases. I want to go right to a page like http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/mlton |
| 17:03.19 | abrotman | read the one for woody m68k |
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| 17:03.46 | absence | is it possible to disable selection pasting in x? |
| 17:04.00 | abrotman | OBcecado: i'm not sure if there are subfamilies for m68k .. os please do read the install guide |
| 17:04.00 | OBcecado | sure thing, thanks again |
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| 17:04.28 | jasz | *sigh* |
| 17:04.35 | OBcecado | as far as i understood there are specific woody distros for m68k |
| 17:04.46 | OBcecado | its what im downloading atm |
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| 17:06.10 | Zibar | noone has an apt source for opera ? :) |
| 17:06.35 | yildirim | hi, i want to reinstall lib pakages of mysql.. how can i do that ? apt-get install --reinstall mysql4.1 packname does not work :S |
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| 17:06.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:07.21 | abrotman | Zibar: they allow you to download directly from thier site in .deb format .. and static even! |
| 17:07.27 | loocek | hi! where in debian is set for root mail account ? |
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| 17:07.39 | caphuso | loocek: /etc/aliases |
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| 17:08.00 | Zibar | yes i know - but the server is overloaded |
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| 17:08.18 | carmine | Hello |
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| 17:08.22 | abrotman | Zibar: did you try via ftp? |
| 17:08.27 | carmine | Where is the newbies chan please ? |
| 17:08.30 | loocek | caphuso: should I type any command for reload some alias base ? |
| 17:08.33 | Zibar | will do |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | carmine: this is |
| 17:08.41 | OBcecado | abrotman sorry to bother you again, just that i dont know the channel, is there any specific channel for different distros ? one for m68k would be ncie for me |
| 17:08.41 | carmine | Ok. |
| 17:08.44 | abrotman | carmine: you mean debian newbie right? |
| 17:08.52 | carmine | Yes, sort of. |
| 17:08.58 | thingfish | ruh roh |
| 17:09.02 | caphuso | loocek: depends on your MTA |
| 17:09.11 | abrotman | OBcecado: i don't think there is a channel for m68k anymore .. either ask here .. or read hte install guide |
| 17:09.17 | carmine | I did an apt-get upgrade today, and mozilla switched to 1.7.7, and did not works any more |
| 17:09.32 | OBcecado | ok, thanks |
| 17:09.39 | carmine | I've got an error message : /usr/bin/mozilla: line 75: syntax error near unexpected token `elif' |
| 17:09.39 | carmine | /usr/bin/mozilla: line 75: `elif [ "$MOZILLA_DSP" = "none" ];then' |
| 17:09.40 | Zibar | i cant get nothing from opera.com atm :( |
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| 17:10.07 | simonrvn | looks like a script bug |
| 17:10.07 | loocek | caphuso: how to check what MTA I have ? |
| 17:10.24 | carmine | I tried to use --reinstall, but... |
| 17:10.25 | greycat | carmine: file a bug report |
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| 17:10.35 | greycat | !which mta |
| 17:10.35 | dpkg | To see which MTA you have installed: dpkg -l sendmail exim\* postfix qmail\* |
| 17:10.37 | jetscreamer | if you have to check you probably have exim(woody) or exim4(sarge) |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | Zibar: you could wait? |
| 17:10.49 | carmine | Greycat : THAT is the point where i show that i'm a newbies. |
| 17:10.52 | Zibar | i could try :) |
| 17:11.03 | carmine | How could i do that ? |
| 17:11.07 | greycat | carmine: THIS is the point where we tell you to /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 17:11.24 | abrotman | Zibar: shared or static ? |
| 17:11.25 | carmine | Uh ? |
| 17:11.33 | greycat | carmine: are you running sid or sarge? |
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| 17:11.56 | simonrvn | carmine: dpkg is a bot. the command greycat showed will tell the bot to tell you somethin |
| 17:12.03 | simonrvn | g |
| 17:12.06 | Zibar | i am guessing you are talking about libraries, im pretty new here - i dunno really :) |
| 17:12.11 | carmine | Oh ! Ok. |
| 17:12.13 | Zibar | pros and cons ? :) |
| 17:12.21 | carmine | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.23 | greycat | Package: mozilla-browser |
| 17:12.25 | abrotman | Zibar: if you use shared .. you'll have to download supporting libraries .. static is pretty much all in one packaging |
| 17:12.25 | greycat | Version: 2:1.7.6-1 |
| 17:12.37 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:12.37 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:12.40 | Zibar | ah - static sounds nice :) |
| 17:12.52 | abrotman | Zibar: if it works .. http://ftp.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.opera.com/linux/800/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_8.0-20050415.1-qt_en_i386.deb |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | Zibar: i assume that to be the final release for 8.0 |
| 17:13.10 | carmine | How can i know if i use Sid ou Sarge ? |
| 17:13.13 | abrotman | Zibar: if it is not .. i apologize |
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| 17:13.15 | Zibar | thanks a lot |
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| 17:14.16 | carmine | How can i know if i use Sid ou Sarge ? |
| 17:14.33 | simonrvn | sources.list |
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| 17:14.36 | carmine | ok |
| 17:15.03 | carmine | Erf !sources.list: command not found |
| 17:15.27 | simonrvn | um, in /etc/apt |
| 17:16.27 | Tempus2 | hello all, i'm trying to install AIM (the real one) on my woody installation. I actually have it installed now and I'm getting an error when running it. http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HUED6U86.html Any ideas? |
| 17:16.46 | abrotman | Tempus2: man ln |
| 17:17.42 | Tempus2 | abrotman: The website said do a command with ln, and i did it. Still no go. |
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| 17:18.23 | abrotman | Tempus2: locate libstdc++-libc6 .. are there any that look similar? |
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| 17:18.58 | chrysopa | Hi, when I use fdisk -l , the hdb give-me a dma error. |
| 17:19.19 | Tempus2 | abrotman: Yes |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | Tempus2: how many? |
| 17:19.39 | MoneyMan | Sorry newb here... anyone wana tell me what apt-get command to run to get most updated debian ? |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 17:19.52 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 17:19.53 | MoneyMan | stable package |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | oh .. stable |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:20.02 | Tempus2 | abrotman: There were two matches, but one is .a.3 at the end and the other is .so.3 at the end. I'm guessing use the latter. |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | silly me .. jumps to conclusions :) |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | Tempus2: show me the full filename for the so.3 ? |
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| 17:20.21 | MoneyMan | abrotman: im newb |
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| 17:20.29 | abrotman | MoneyMan: you're running woody? |
| 17:20.30 | MoneyMan | its been established.. thanks |
| 17:20.39 | MoneyMan | dont know.. |
| 17:20.54 | Tempus2 | abrotman: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 17:21.10 | MoneyMan | let me check... |
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| 17:21.29 | dvst | MoneyMan, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | Tempus2: ok .. we're gonna try .. dunno if this will work .. `ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2` |
| 17:21.50 | MoneyMan | 3.0 |
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| 17:22.01 | Zibar | just add deb file:/$path to sources.list ; apt-get update & apt-get install $local-package ? |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | MoneyMan: apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade |
| 17:22.10 | Zibar | or is there an easier way ? :) |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | Zibar: dpkg -i opera-blah.deb |
| 17:22.25 | Tempus2 | abrotman: It said the file exists |
| 17:22.32 | Zibar | ok |
| 17:22.41 | abrotman | Tempus2: well .. try to start aim again i guess |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | Tempus2: same error ? |
| 17:23.20 | Bebabo | is there a tool grepping auth.logs for bruteforce attacks ("failed pw for root from 99.99.99.99") goes to RIPE gets the isp of the IP and mails to abuse ? |
| 17:23.22 | MoneyMan | abrot: neither one of the command installed anything |
| 17:23.22 | saintiss | hi |
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| 17:23.33 | Tempus2 | abrotman: Same error as before |
| 17:23.34 | saintiss | is it normal that, standard, normal users aren't even allowed to read a dvd drive? |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | Tempus2: /j #flood |
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| 17:24.11 | Zibar | works like a charm, thx again |
| 17:24.46 | abrotman | Zibar: enjoy |
| 17:25.00 | saintiss | also: what's the best way to change these device permissions? just chmod? |
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| 17:25.37 | abrotman | saintiss: more than likely .. you don't want to change permissions |
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| 17:26.04 | MoneyMan | Well... okay my question comes from trying to run Bittorrent... so I figure if I upgraded maybe it will tkae care of the problem... everytime I run "btdownloadcurses.py"I get the error File "/usr/bin/btdownloadcurses.py", line 16 from __future__ import division SyntaxError: future feature division is not defined |
| 17:26.18 | MoneyMan | anyone here know what that means? |
| 17:26.30 | MoneyMan | I goggled and no real hits |
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| 17:26.30 | saintiss | abrotman: you don't? you'd rather add users to the "disk" group? |
| 17:26.40 | abrotman | saintiss: uhm .. |
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| 17:26.50 | jurt | hi all |
| 17:26.57 | jurt | has anyone installed muine on debian? |
| 17:27.37 | emperor_solli | hello! I'm new to linux, and I wondered if there's any way to change my resolution to 1280x1024, even though I don't get the option on the screen res. thing... ? |
| 17:27.42 | resiak | !drxx emperor_solli |
| 17:27.43 | dpkg | emperor_solli: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:27.50 | resiak | saintiss: Yes, that's what you should do. |
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| 17:28.07 | saintiss | resiak: thx |
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| 17:28.13 | furrywolf | god. someone ought to edit the wikimedia code to automagically ignore people trying to load pages in preference of people trying to edit them. I have been trying to save some changes for 10 minutes now... |
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| 17:28.22 | resiak | jurt: Do you have a question about it? |
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| 17:28.46 | MoneyMan | Anyone wana take that bittorrent question of mine? |
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| 17:29.13 | resiak | MoneyMan: How did you install bittorrent? |
| 17:29.14 | jurt | jurt: well, when compiling, it asks me about mono and i dont know if there is any package? |
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| 17:29.22 | jurt | resiak, : well, when compiling, it asks me about mono and i dont know if there is any package? |
| 17:29.24 | emperor_solli | I don't know which driver I should use? anyone? |
| 17:29.50 | resiak | jurt: There's a version of mono in Sid, but it's almost certainly too old. There's been a bit of a cock-up with Debian and Mono. |
| 17:30.04 | MoneyMan | resial: used links went to www.bittorrent.com downloaded then dpkg -i filename.deb... that's it.. |
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| 17:30.10 | resiak | emperor_solli: What kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 17:30.19 | emperor_solli | nvidia geforce something... |
| 17:30.22 | MoneyMan | resiak: used links went to www.bittorrent.com downloaded then dpkg -i filename.deb... that's it.. |
| 17:30.32 | resiak | MoneyMan: Why didn't you do apt-get install bittorrent ? |
| 17:30.38 | jurt | bufff |
| 17:30.40 | loocek | should I have installed MTA on my debian which is just desktop computer..not server ? |
| 17:30.46 | resiak | emperor_solli: Choose the nv driver. |
| 17:30.49 | resiak | loocek: Yes. |
| 17:30.52 | jurt | MoneyMan, or use azureus |
| 17:30.57 | resiak | MoneyMan: Or bittornado |
| 17:31.01 | furrywolf | I give up. if wikimedia is going to give anonymous readers priority over active editors, they don't need the typos fixed. not going to keep trying for another 15 minutes to get an edit to go through... |
| 17:31.02 | loocek | why ?? |
| 17:31.09 | MoneyMan | resiak: didnt find the package... |
| 17:31.10 | furrywolf | s/wikimedia/wikipedia |
| 17:31.11 | resiak | loocek: For local messages. |
| 17:31.15 | resiak | MoneyMan: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:31.22 | MoneyMan | dude.. apt-get is missing HELLA packages I think |
| 17:31.25 | MoneyMan | 3.0 |
| 17:31.31 | resiak | MoneyMan: Upgrade. |
| 17:31.36 | resiak | MoneyMan: Did you just install? |
| 17:31.40 | MoneyMan | yeah |
| 17:31.44 | emperor_solli | is there anyway to see the name of my graphical card in linux? I'm not shure about it... |
| 17:31.44 | MoneyMan | virtual server |
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| 17:31.52 | LSorensen | MoneyMan: bittornado is much better, check if backports.org has it for woody |
| 17:31.54 | resiak | MoneyMan: Virtual server? |
| 17:31.55 | furrywolf | emperor: lspci -v |
| 17:32.05 | MoneyMan | resiak: yeah |
| 17:32.08 | resiak | emperor_solli: Do you know that it's an nvidia or some description. |
| 17:32.10 | resiak | MoneyMan: What does that mean? |
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| 17:32.52 | MoneyMan | nada... its a Virtual Server... http://www.spry.com/vps-hosting/ |
| 17:32.56 | emperor_solli | I only know that it is a nvidia card... and I neither know the bus identifier... what should I do? |
| 17:33.17 | resiak | emperor_solli: You don't need to fill in that field. Or didn't you read the previous page? |
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| 17:33.52 | MoneyMan | resiak: so how do i upgrade? |
| 17:34.02 | MoneyMan | apt-get upgrade? |
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| 17:34.07 | emperor_solli | I know I don't have to... read it :-) but it hadn't hurt to do it..? If i only knew it .. |
| 17:34.22 | MoneyMan | apt-get upgrade doesnt do shit.. |
| 17:34.22 | jethro | !tell MoneyMan -about woody->sarge |
| 17:34.24 | resiak | !tell MoneyMan -about woody->sarge |
| 17:34.35 | resiak | MoneyMan: But if you want to use it as a server, you should stick with Woody until Sarge releases. |
| 17:34.47 | resiak | emperor_solli: It doesn't hurt to leave it out |
| 17:34.50 | jethro | or pay attention to DSAs |
| 17:34.51 | n3x | Im planning to install a new mail server, which MTA do you recommend ? (I have been using qmail on other machines, but it's just a lot of work to put everything together in a nice way - vpopmail, smtp-auth, etc, etc) |
| 17:34.52 | resiak | emperor_solli: I've _never_ filled one in. |
| 17:34.58 | resiak | !polls |
| 17:34.59 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:35.03 | resiak | n3x: exim |
| 17:35.04 | jethro | n3x: I d recommend postfix |
| 17:35.05 | emperor_solli | ok ;-D |
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| 17:36.39 | n3x | why should choose exim ? right now, I guess I would do postfix... (I'm going to install it tonight :) |
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| 17:37.12 | resiak | n3x: worksforme |
| 17:37.52 | n3x | but, hey resiak, have you used postfix and still recommend exim, I would be glad to give it a try. |
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| 17:37.56 | jethro | n3x: exim is the default mta if you use debian, so installing and configuring postfix takes a bit longer |
| 17:38.01 | Zibar | opera wont run any lame away scripts or similar will it ? |
| 17:38.04 | Zibar | :) |
| 17:38.06 | resiak | n3x: No, I haven't. Exim was the default, it works for me, etc. |
| 17:38.06 | LSorensen | n3x: exim4 works great for me. I havent' used postfix although it sounds nice too |
| 17:38.18 | LSorensen | Zibar: opera does irc? |
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| 17:38.29 | n3x | ok, cool... thanks anyway |
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| 17:38.36 | Zibar | yeah' |
| 17:38.36 | jethro | n3x: postfix is more flexible than exim, but exim is enough if you have small needs |
| 17:38.36 | resiak | LSorensen: Yes. So does Mozilla, though :p |
| 17:38.47 | Zibar | it looks good to |
| 17:38.57 | LSorensen | Zibar: hmm, I prefer irssi-text |
| 17:39.02 | Zibar | hehe |
| 17:39.05 | resiak | Zibar: But why not use irssi or xchat, as nature intended? |
| 17:39.08 | LSorensen | Zibar: I can leave it in 'screen' and connect over ssh from anywhere |
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| 17:39.27 | n3x | this will be a small host , w/ 2 domain and 10 to 15 users on each... |
| 17:39.29 | LSorensen | Zibar: gui's don't improve tools for text based protocols at all. |
| 17:39.34 | Zibar | i like having mail,news,web and chat in one app |
| 17:39.44 | resiak | *shrug* Each to his own. |
| 17:39.54 | LSorensen | Zibar: I like having tools that do one job very well. |
| 17:39.57 | jethro | n3x: then either take exim and save your butt from some extra work, or install postfix and learn, just pick what suites you |
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| 17:40.09 | Zibar | :) |
| 17:40.18 | LSorensen | Zibar: and I can write scripts in perl for irssi |
| 17:40.28 | Zibar | well, just kick the h** out of me if my client acts up |
| 17:40.30 | jcb | do someone know a decentralized and distributed filesystem that can be mounted in the traditional way? |
| 17:40.37 | LSorensen | Zibar: I also think mice are a crappy interface to be avoided whenever possible |
| 17:40.42 | Zibar | yes, irssi is cool i know ;) |
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| 17:40.52 | Zibar | i get your drift LS |
| 17:40.54 | Zibar | :) |
| 17:41.08 | LSorensen | Zibar: I also manage to work with computers all day and have no sign of rsi or anything |
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| 17:41.56 | LSorensen | Zibar: a couple of hours playing a game with a mouse on the ohter hand, and ouch my hand is cramping and all |
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| 17:42.17 | resiak | LSorensen: Trackball! |
| 17:42.26 | LSorensen | resiak: I HATE trackballs. |
| 17:42.29 | tug | does anyone know where I can find kernel patches for my laptop's function keys or are they built in by default? |
| 17:42.32 | Zibar | been holding me mouse constantly for 30 years now without an itch ;) |
| 17:42.36 | resiak | tug: What breed of laptop? |
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| 17:42.42 | resiak | LSorensen: So do I :) |
| 17:42.51 | LSorensen | resiak: If I have to use a pointing device it has to allow me to in one move get the pointer excactly where I want it |
| 17:43.00 | tug | HP evo n620c |
| 17:43.03 | LSorensen | resiak: and trackballs make my thumb sore |
| 17:43.09 | MoneyMan | jethro and resiak : thanks in the middle of updating : ) something is working |
| 17:43.22 | jethro | MoneyMan: you're welcome |
| 17:43.28 | tug | I remember there was a site where people posted their experiences with linux laptops but I cannot find it though :( |
| 17:43.32 | LSorensen | resiak: they are great for photo editing and graphics where you need precise movement by the pixel (although I still find a quality high res mouse better) |
| 17:43.39 | resiak | tug: linux-laptop.net night know. |
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| 17:45.18 | loocek | resiak: I've heard that MTA can send message to some account at once (sorry for my english), without connecting with SMTP, is it wright ?? |
| 17:45.43 | resiak | loocek: In theory, but you're a hell of a lot better off just telling it your SMTP server details and being done with it. |
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| 17:46.18 | loocek | resiak: ok , thx |
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| 17:46.25 | kbs | suggestions for a powerpoint viewer for debian? I tried ppthtml (something i pulled out from apt-cache search powerpoint) but it looks rather unusable |
| 17:46.28 | Emperor_Solli | do I have to restart X or something to change resolution after the dpkg thing? |
| 17:46.47 | tzafrir | kbs, openoffice? |
| 17:47.03 | kbs | tzafrir: ah, ok. I haven't tried that, will do so. Thanks |
| 17:47.07 | resiak | kbs: If you're on Sid, pptview in non-free is the MS ppt viewer on Wine. |
| 17:47.20 | kbs | resiak: great, thanks for that pointer as well. |
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| 17:48.42 | tzafrir | I'm trying to connect to a certain ftp server. with lftp I can't establish data connection (e.g: 'ls' hangs). Works fine with the standard ftp |
| 17:48.52 | Emperor_Solli | anybody? |
| 17:49.01 | tzafrir | Server is "CentOS 3.4" with cPanel |
| 17:49.29 | furrywolf | tzaf: debug 9 in lftp, then ls, and see what's going wrong. |
| 17:49.30 | tzafrir | Emperor_Solli, you can always try running a different X server to see if it made a difference |
| 17:49.40 | resiak | Emperor_Solli: Yes, you do need to restart X |
| 17:49.48 | Emperor_Solli | ok... |
| 17:49.59 | tzafrir | I tried setting ftp:passive-mode to "on" and "off" |
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| 17:50.22 | Emperor_Solli | then I'll give it a try :-) but I'm running a Live CD right now... |
| 17:50.23 | furrywolf | tza: just type debug 9, then ls again, and see what it's doing. |
| 17:50.27 | Emperor_Solli | does it work anyway? |
| 17:50.44 | resiak | Emperor_Solli: Let me guess. Ubuntu? |
| 17:50.50 | Emperor_Solli | no... mepis |
| 17:50.52 | resiak | !mepis |
| 17:50.53 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 17:51.16 | Azar | umode does not work anymore? |
| 17:51.17 | Azar | hi |
| 17:51.27 | resiak | Azar: It does not work any more? |
| 17:51.45 | Azar | resiak , i get :*** Unknown command : UMODE |
| 17:51.54 | resiak | Azar: In what? |
| 17:51.59 | Emperor_Solli | hmm.. I'll try restarting x... |
| 17:52.03 | resiak | Azar: In irssi? |
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| 17:52.07 | Azar | in like /umode +E |
| 17:52.08 | resiak | Azar: What have you been doing to your bindings? |
| 17:52.14 | stew | Azar: /mode Azar +E |
| 17:52.22 | Azar | thank you stew |
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| 17:52.51 | Azar | Student offers porn spam at join |
| 17:52.56 | resiak | !topicsmite Azar |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Azar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:53.09 | Azar | :) |
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| 17:53.49 | Azar | anyways if you guys have the time for a leisure question: who what thinks about splitting kernel versions? |
| 17:53.52 | resiak | caphuso: Out of interest, would you rather that people initally do as Azar just did (ie not name the ops) and only invoke !ops if no-one shows up? |
| 17:54.14 | yildirim | what's wrong in this command ? : apt-get install --reinstall mysql4.1 libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 17:54.21 | Azar | resiak, I read the topic but I am not familiar with calling ops |
| 17:54.28 | resiak | Azar: Sure. |
| 17:54.31 | caphuso | resiak: !ops is better, because i get to see that even if i'm not looking at the channel atm (thanks to osd.pl) |
| 17:55.01 | resiak | caphuso: Yeah, but in case someone _is_ looking at the channel, it saves hilighting all ~12 of you |
| 17:56.22 | stew | yildirim: there is my mysql4.1 package |
| 17:56.27 | stew | s/my/no |
| 17:56.33 | Azar | Members of the open-source community are expressing concern over rapid feature changes in the Linux 2.6 kernel, which they say are too focused on the desktop and could make the kernel too large. |
| 17:56.39 | stew | yildirim: you probably meant mysql-server-4.1 or somehting |
| 17:56.51 | abrotman | !beer stew |
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| 17:56.58 | caphuso | resiak: well, i can only speak for myself |
| 17:56.59 | abrotman | oh .. wrong choice! |
| 17:57.02 | EmperorSolli | !ubuntu |
| 17:57.02 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 17:57.04 | Azar | personally I am in for not bloating the kernel with gadgets, but hmm a kernel split would be a solution |
| 17:57.10 | stew | abrotman: thats a good choice for me |
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| 17:57.24 | abrotman | stew: nice warm day .. hefe weissen! |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | wait . i spelled that wrong .. i think |
| 17:57.34 | EmperorSolli | well.. that f***ed up the computer... |
| 17:57.35 | caphuso | Azar: what members of what are that? |
| 17:57.36 | resiak | caphuso: Fair enough. Perhaps I should call "!ops Would you rather I didn't hilight you all?" ;) |
| 17:57.44 | caphuso | resiak: heh |
| 17:57.58 | Azar | caphuso, reading http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1787112,00.asp |
| 17:58.05 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 17:58.28 | freewoody | What is the version of GCC in Debian Woody 3.0 ? |
| 17:58.34 | Azar | 2.95 |
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| 17:58.50 | freewoody | What is the Kernel version used in Woody ? |
| 17:58.59 | stew | freewoody: either 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 17:59.02 | Azar | 2.6.8 |
| 17:59.02 | freewoody | Why is Woody so outdated ? |
| 17:59.05 | pinks | I'm using sarge on a laptop with KDE, but KDE is a bit bloated. Ay advice on what to use instead? |
| 17:59.05 | Azar | 2.6.18 |
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| 17:59.12 | stew | freewoody: it was released 3 years ago |
| 17:59.17 | Azar | err damn 2.4.18 |
| 17:59.28 | freewoody | So Debian Sarge is better |
| 17:59.33 | Azar | hm |
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| 17:59.35 | Azar | maybe |
| 17:59.39 | stew | freewoody: for what? server or desktop? |
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| 17:59.54 | EmperorSolli | I dont got the command to configure the x graphical-stuff.. |
| 18:00.03 | stew | !drxx EmperorSolli |
| 18:00.03 | freewoody | Well can Debian Sarge be used for a Server ? |
| 18:00.04 | dpkg | EmperorSolli: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:00.07 | caphuso | Azar: well, they could simply delete most of the subdirectories in the source tree, couldn't they? |
| 18:00.12 | stew | freewoody: its not recommended at this time |
| 18:00.18 | stew | freewoody: but yes |
| 18:00.21 | freewoody | Why is that so ? |
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| 18:00.29 | stew | freewoody: it currently doesn't get any security updates |
| 18:00.40 | Azar | caphuso I guess they could, but I think a split choice of kernels wold be a good idea |
| 18:00.45 | freewoody | Well 3 years, I think that Sarge is OK |
| 18:00.55 | Azar | like in Debian " stable, testing and unstable |
| 18:01.01 | pinks | hang on - I've been using sarge as a server for almos t ayea rnow |
| 18:01.07 | stew | freewoody: you win a free subscription to the debian-security-announce mailing list then |
| 18:01.09 | freewoody | I think that Debian Sarge is more stable than RedHat ES |
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| 18:01.39 | Azar | buy commercial, get commercial, install stable have stable |
| 18:01.44 | EmperorSolli | which mouse port is usb ? |
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| 18:01.49 | EmperorSolli | psaux? |
| 18:01.59 | stew | EmperorSolli: /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:02.08 | freewoody | I have manged to persuade my System Admins to use Debian Sarge instead of RedHat ES |
| 18:02.13 | jonz | i'm moving an ide install to a SATA drive, and naturally it doesn't recognize the drive (panic on boot /dev/sda1). where exactly should i modprobe the sata_via driver? modules.init? |
| 18:02.25 | Azar | I miss woody, I will reinstall. |
| 18:02.45 | freewoody | Debian Sarge Vs. RedHat ES |
| 18:03.03 | freewoody | So which should I go for ? |
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| 18:03.24 | stew | freewoody: do you honestly think that someone in #debian is going to recommend you go with redhat? |
| 18:03.25 | resiak | freewoody: What the hell do you expect us to say? |
| 18:03.38 | Azar | freewoody: go RedHat they got proper tech support for newbies |
| 18:03.38 | jonz | or modules.conf ? |
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| 18:03.56 | stew | freewoody: i recommend debian woody |
| 18:04.03 | greycat | jonz: it would have to be inside the initrd |
| 18:04.03 | freewoody | Well I am a bit nervous about Debain Sarge because it is still in the Testing phase after 3 years or so |
| 18:04.09 | micheal | is the NFS bug that was in 2.6.8 fixed in the debian source package? I don't see a 2.6.8.1 package or anything higher in testing |
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| 18:04.16 | freewoody | But Debian Woody is too tooo old |
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| 18:04.28 | jonz | greycat is there no kernel option i can set in grub? |
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| 18:04.29 | greycat | micheal: debian's kernel sources are heavily patched |
| 18:04.32 | stew | freewoody: too old for what? |
| 18:04.33 | freewoody | Debian Woody is like RedHat 6.2 |
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| 18:04.41 | Azar | freewoody, at RedHat you pay for tech support so you can afford to bitch at them |
| 18:04.44 | freewoody | Everything in the system |
| 18:04.51 | mutante | Student: stop sending pr0n queries to people joining this chan |
| 18:04.55 | jonz | where exactly would you set it in the initrd? |
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| 18:05.05 | Azar | mutante you are speaking to a bot |
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| 18:05.09 | freewoody | Well I really need some good advice |
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| 18:05.13 | paulswm | nby ops here, onjoin pr0n spam from Student |
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| 18:05.17 | paulswm | Any |
| 18:05.18 | mutante | Azar: i know, i just had to mention it,you know |
| 18:05.26 | paulswm | Thanks Grey |
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| 18:05.28 | greycat | !lagsmite paulswm |
| 18:05.31 | paulswm | thatns gryec |
| 18:05.32 | freewoody | I have already installed Debian Sarge in one of our Servers today |
| 18:05.32 | micheal | greycat, I figured as much, I just wanted to be certain, thanks |
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| 18:05.36 | paulswm | Fuck |
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| 18:05.47 | freewoody | So I need some advice |
| 18:05.49 | paulswm | Thanks greycat :P |
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| 18:06.02 | freewoody | Can Debian Sarge be rolled back to Debain Woody ? |
| 18:06.07 | caphuso | freewoody: no |
| 18:06.07 | stew | freewoody: no |
| 18:06.08 | streuner | no |
| 18:06.16 | greycat | dpkg, lagsmite $1 is <action> goes to the kitchen, puts on a pot of coffee, takes a leak, scratches (his|her|its) head, and then smites $1. |
| 18:06.16 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:06.28 | Azar | reinstall is a breeze |
| 18:06.32 | freewoody | What is I change all the sources.list to point to Woody stable |
| 18:06.37 | greycat | !tell jonz about msg |
| 18:06.41 | mutante | i came because i am missing "xkbmap", it seems to have disappeared in testing? i used to use "xkbmap de" to switch to german layout, now i can only find "xxkb" which has no manpage and docs only in koi8 :/ |
| 18:06.43 | caphuso | freewoody: nothing |
| 18:06.55 | Azar | freewoody: reinstall Debian 3.0 |
| 18:06.59 | streuner | freewoody: well, that would be a waste of your time ;-) |
| 18:07.02 | greycat | jonz: use a debian kernel image. do a fresh sarge install on the new disk and then move things over to it. |
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| 18:07.16 | jonz | greycat i'd like to use the existing kernel without recompiling is that possible |
| 18:07.26 | tzafrir | One difference I see between the netkit ftp and lftp is that lftp issues PROT P |
| 18:07.37 | freewoody | I can't reinstall Debian Woody now |
| 18:07.49 | freewoody | So what is the best thing to do now |
| 18:07.50 | Azar | the only inconvenience, of me going back to Woody is not having a desktop at all |
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| 18:07.57 | greycat | freewoody: go run red hat, then. |
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| 18:08.17 | Azar | ..which I actually never had |
| 18:08.23 | freewoody | Well can't Debian Sarge be used in a Sever |
| 18:08.26 | ipfisdghi | Hello everybody where can i ask a mIRC question? |
| 18:08.36 | mutante | xkbmap used to be part of "xbase-clients" , apt-cache search xkbmap reports a hit on that package still, but even though its installed i dont have a "xkbmap" command anymore |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | yeah, woody didn't have desktop software!!!!!! oh wait, yes it did. I've been using X on Debian since bo. |
| 18:08.46 | streuner | ipfisdghi: troll somewhere else |
| 18:08.51 | freewoody | Has anyone of you used Debian Sarge in Servers and got trouble ? |
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| 18:09.15 | jonz | isn't there just a way to set it as a grub argument or something? |
| 18:09.25 | greycat | jonz: isn't there a way for you to be less stupid? |
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| 18:09.37 | ipfisdghi | streuner for example where |
| 18:09.37 | jonz | greycat stop being an asshole |
| 18:09.40 | paulswm | Wow, looks like another early Sunday |
| 18:09.41 | jonz | how bout that |
| 18:09.50 | freewoody | So can I use Debian Sarge in my Server or should I really have to reinstall Debian Woody |
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| 18:09.53 | velho | Hi, i am in brasil |
| 18:09.55 | streuner | ipfisdghi: that's not our problem |
| 18:09.58 | greycat | freewoody: your choice. |
| 18:10.20 | paulswm | jonz: SOme free advice: it's not a good idea to call an op an asshole |
| 18:10.21 | tzafrir | hmmm, the difference seems to be that netkit ftp uses EPSV, whereas lftp simply uses PASV |
| 18:10.21 | ipfisdghi | streuner sorry i asked if someone knows |
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| 18:10.32 | jonz | paulswm i don't care if he runs freenode. he's still being an asshole. |
| 18:10.38 | streuner | ipfisdghi: why not just install debian? |
| 18:10.49 | jonz | you think getting kicked from debian will hurt my feelings? |
| 18:10.51 | Azar | jonz it is not nice to insult people |
| 18:10.55 | jonz | Azar: i agree |
| 18:10.56 | ipfisdghi | streuner i dont understand nothing about linux |
| 18:10.58 | jonz | so perhaps he should stop |
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| 18:11.13 | streuner | ipfisdghi: well, everybody starts somewhere... |
| 18:11.26 | freewoody | Which version of SSH does Debian Woody use ? |
| 18:11.42 | streuner | !info ssh |
| 18:11.42 | tzafrir | http://packages.debian.org/ssh |
| 18:11.47 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (sid), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 18:11.48 | streuner | !info ssh woody |
| 18:11.52 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 (woody), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB |
| 18:11.56 | MoneyMan | Who's being rude... I am a linux god... dont believe me watch this !tell MoneyMan -about woody->sarge |
| 18:11.58 | ipfisdghi | streuner yeah you are right but is debian a good distribution to a newbie in linux? |
| 18:12.04 | MoneyMan | ohh |
| 18:12.09 | MoneyMan | didnt work |
| 18:12.10 | MoneyMan | ;P |
| 18:12.13 | streuner | ipfisdghi: yes |
| 18:12.33 | greycat | MoneyMan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:12.34 | Azar | ipfisdghi: Debian is the best learning tool for a newbie |
| 18:12.38 | streuner | ipfisdghi: you need a brain, that's all |
| 18:12.41 | mutante | ipfisdghi: i would even say yeah, why learn something else before and then start later |
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| 18:12.54 | freewoody | OpenSSH 1.3 for Woody |
| 18:13.02 | MoneyMan | greycat: I am a l33333t hacker dont try and outdo me! |
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| 18:13.04 | greycat | freewoody: wrong. |
| 18:13.10 | MoneyMan | greycat: just kidding i lub u |
| 18:13.14 | streuner | ipfisdghi: you should be able to handle an editor and read some doc or man-pages |
| 18:13.19 | Azar | !lub |
| 18:13.31 | freewoody | So Woody use GCC 2.95 |
| 18:13.46 | greycat | like the version of gcc matters on a server. |
| 18:14.07 | paulswm | ipfisdghi: debian sarge is fairly easy to install, also read the debian reference. |
| 18:14.08 | MoneyMan | is "!lub" really a command? |
| 18:14.19 | Azar | greycat hmm it matters when you want to upgrade a video driver for example |
| 18:14.22 | MoneyMan | !lub |
| 18:14.22 | greycat | MoneyMan: did you see a response? no? then it's not a known factoid. |
| 18:14.34 | MoneyMan | rgr that... |
| 18:14.35 | greycat | Azar: on a server. |
| 18:14.38 | green_earz | ipfisdghi: here a intro in to apt-get > it should be of help > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 18:14.43 | Azar | greycat: oh |
| 18:14.45 | greycat | yeah, everyone needs 3d accelerated X on a server. |
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| 18:14.50 | servibancos | Gatenhow |
| 18:14.53 | freewoody | Ok how many of you are using Woody |
| 18:15.03 | greycat | freewoody: I have 2 woody boxes here at work. why? |
| 18:15.06 | freewoody | How many of you are using Sarge |
| 18:15.09 | ipfisdghi | thank you everybody |
| 18:15.10 | greycat | probably more than that, but only 2 that matter |
| 18:15.13 | MoneyMan | jesus christ... my debian is still updateing.. been like freaking 30 minutes...! |
| 18:15.14 | Azar | freewoody are you some kind of internet reporter? |
| 18:15.28 | paulswm | freewoody: I have 5 sarge boxes here at home |
| 18:15.36 | streuner | !tell ipfisdghi about d-i |
| 18:15.37 | ipfisdghi | i think that i'll mess up with the instalation |
| 18:15.56 | freewoody | What is the exact benefit of Sarge against Woody and vice versa |
| 18:15.59 | MoneyMan | Get:240.. Get:241.. Get:242.. Get:243... weeeeeeeee....... |
| 18:16.17 | streuner | ipfisdghi: just come into the channel again... ;-) |
| 18:16.20 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.24 | greycat | freewoody: woody has security updates and is guaranteed *not* to change. |
| 18:16.31 | greycat | freewoody: sarge has 3-years-newer packages. |
| 18:17.08 | ipfisdghi | sure you are very kindly people |
| 18:17.08 | freewoody | When is Sarge going to be Stabe ? |
| 18:17.16 | EdibleText | !wir |
| 18:17.17 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:17.17 | freewoody | in the next 3 months or so ? |
| 18:17.23 | greycat | we do not know. |
| 18:17.24 | MoneyMan | 3 years newer huh... maybe thats why updating takes so long.. |
| 18:17.36 | mutante | uhh, 36 ftpds to choose from, hard to pick, but i know "which is the best" is not a valid question ,so i wont even try ;) |
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| 18:17.46 | toresbe | 3 years newer? Wasn't Woody frozen in late 2001? |
| 18:17.56 | toresbe | s/late/early |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | mutante: thank you. |
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| 18:17.59 | freewoody | Ok, I am using Sarge on my Server |
| 18:18.02 | toresbe | at least 4 years |
| 18:18.06 | freewoody | Forget Woody |
| 18:18.10 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 18:18.10 | dpkg | woody hardware support is probably firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 18:18.16 | paulswm | Hi toresbe! |
| 18:18.18 | toresbe | aha |
| 18:18.21 | toresbe | paulswm: hey man |
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| 18:18.43 | freewoody | Ok Sarge will be my choice |
| 18:18.47 | freewoody | thanks all |
| 18:18.48 | slappy16 | so is it correct to say that no one is patching security in woody? |
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| 18:18.58 | toresbe | freewoody: If you want a recent frozen release with security updates for it you *could* try Ubuntu |
| 18:18.59 | EdibleText | slappy16, no |
| 18:19.06 | slappy16 | ok.. |
| 18:19.09 | slappy16 | thanks |
| 18:19.09 | MoneyMan | well... sometimes in the morning I get woody... but cant seem to get a connection to woman.. so I run woody /kill command |
| 18:19.14 | toresbe | slappy16: no, that's the *only* branch getting security patches |
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| 18:19.18 | davis | hello |
| 18:19.18 | paulswm | !ubuntusmite toresbe |
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| 18:19.24 | freewoody | I installed Sarge in our Server today and I notice a very strange thing |
| 18:19.33 | toresbe | paulswm: hehe |
| 18:19.35 | streuner | !lart toresbe for being a fuckwit |
| 18:19.36 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:19.43 | paulswm | toresbe: :P |
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| 18:20.19 | freewoody | I am getting a packet loss of over 25 % while pinging to another Server in the same network |
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| 18:20.49 | MoneyMan | freewoody: get a new connection or router or enet card... or all of the bove.. |
| 18:20.58 | freewoody | I am facing the same problem of packet loss in all my 3com NIC cards |
| 18:21.00 | MoneyMan | or firewall |
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| 18:21.09 | streuner | toresbe: we are pro-debian NOT anti-ubuntu ;-) |
| 18:21.13 | davis | I am trying to get an intel x86 computer to boot with pxe/dhcpd. I have done plenty of dhcpd network installs for ppc and sparc based linux. I am pretty sure my dhcp3 server is setup ok. pxe daemon confuses me. Do i need multicast ip address to do this? the x86 client box is trying to contact the multicast server specified in the pxe.conf file. |
| 18:21.29 | Azar | hey! my graphic card is GeForce2 MXMX how come is not supported? |
| 18:21.31 | MoneyMan | davis: U go to UCDavis? |
| 18:21.34 | green_earz | freewoody: or have a look at mtu size the package size, |
| 18:21.34 | pipeline | davis: You don't need a special daemon for PXE. |
| 18:21.36 | greycat | freewoody: that makes it a hardware or kernel issue. |
| 18:21.44 | greycat | freewoody: try a different kernel or a different NIC or a different cable. |
| 18:21.45 | pipeline | davis: Use the ISC dhcpd and the hpa tftpd. |
| 18:21.48 | davis | my last name is davis |
| 18:21.51 | freewoody | mtu size is 1400 |
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| 18:22.10 | davis | pipeline: is ISC dhcpd different from version3 dhcpd? |
| 18:22.16 | pipeline | davis: the "PXE daemon" is for crippled vendor-specific DHCP daemons. |
| 18:22.22 | davis | pipeline: i have tftpd installed. |
| 18:22.23 | MoneyMan | davis: ohh.. that wasnt too interesting... I was about to tell you that I'm going to UC Davis next year.. weeee |
| 18:22.27 | freewoody | Well I tried using a differnet cable |
| 18:22.31 | davis | MoneyMan: np |
| 18:22.32 | freewoody | no result |
| 18:22.32 | Virtual | do you guys recomend upgrading to Sid ? |
| 18:22.33 | pipeline | davi: Version 3 is the current version of the ISC DHCPD, and most linux distributions use the ISC version. |
| 18:22.39 | pipeline | davis: You have to have the RIGHT tftpd. |
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| 18:22.45 | sussudio | !tell Virtual about sid upgrade |
| 18:22.47 | freewoody | For the router, it is working fine |
| 18:22.49 | green_earz | freewoody: on a ping -s 1400 you are lossing packages ? if bring it down a touch |
| 18:22.49 | paulswm | !tell Virtual abut sid |
| 18:22.54 | Azar | Virtual, an adventure in sid is instructive |
| 18:22.54 | pipeline | davis: namely, tftpd-hpa, solaris tftpd, or FreeBSD tftpd. OpenBSD tftpd and netkit tftpd will not work. |
| 18:23.02 | pipeline | Virtual: If you have to ask, no. |
| 18:23.07 | paulswm | !sid |
| 18:23.07 | dpkg | sid is, like, the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 18:23.07 | davis | pipeline: ok. |
| 18:23.16 | davis | pipeline: I am confused. |
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| 18:23.23 | davis | pipeline: this is what I have installed: |
| 18:23.38 | green_earz | freewoody: the same mtu on the router and the linux box |
| 18:23.49 | Azar | Virtual, if you do not hate doing reinstalls, try nose around with sid |
| 18:23.58 | pipeline | davis: What OS is the host system? |
| 18:24.00 | MoneyMan | uhhhh... anyone know I ran the "aptitude dist-upgrade" command.. is it going to install xserver? |
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| 18:24.13 | pipeline | MoneyMan: aptitude and apt-get aren't the same program. |
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| 18:24.23 | davis | ii tftpd 0.17-12 Trivial file transfer protocol server |
| 18:24.23 | davis | ii pxe 1.4.2-1 A free PXE daemon |
| 18:24.23 | davis | ii dhcp3-server 3.0.1-2 DHCP server for automatic IP address assignm |
| 18:24.23 | davis | bic:/usr/src/linux# |
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| 18:24.29 | Azar | :) |
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| 18:24.38 | davis | whoops |
| 18:24.52 | freewoody | ping -s 1000 -c 500 gives 31% packet loss |
| 18:24.53 | pipeline | davis: Remove the "tftpd" and "pxe" packages -- you don't want or need them. |
| 18:24.57 | n3x | Does Woody come w/ Mysql 3 or 4 ? |
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| 18:25.06 | paulswm | I could see *that* coming a mile off |
| 18:25.10 | pipeline | davis: the "tftpd" package is actually the netkit tftpd, and it won't work. |
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| 18:25.30 | davis | pipeline: ok. |
| 18:25.32 | pipeline | davis: The "pxe" package is just worthless, as you're using a DHCP server that supports PXE natively and doesn't require any weird shit. |
| 18:25.45 | pipeline | davis: I assume you have a Debian server, then |
| 18:25.47 | green_earz | freewoody: thats bad, is a dsl connection ? |
| 18:25.52 | davis | pipeline: correct |
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| 18:26.10 | pipeline | davis: You want to install tftpd-hpa, then, and make sure that tftp is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 18:26.20 | davis | right doing it now. |
| 18:26.24 | davis | its installed. |
| 18:26.25 | pipeline | davis: On fedora/RHEL, I'm pretty sure the hpa tftpd is the default one. Debian is weird and uses netkit. |
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| 18:26.35 | freewoody | No it's inside a 100Mbps Ethernet |
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| 18:26.40 | davis | pipeline: i have replaced the tftpd |
| 18:26.48 | pipeline | davis: For future reference, FreeBSD and Solaris have perfectly good dhcpd/tftpd combinations out-of-the-box |
| 18:27.24 | pipeline | davis: Yeah, well, that's all there is to it then. Make sure that dhcpd and inetd are running, and add appropriate "filename" and "next-server" directives to the appropriate entry for the victim system in dhcpd.conf |
| 18:27.37 | slappy16 | ubuntusmite? |
| 18:27.37 | n3x | How can I get mysql 4.x on debian ? woody comes w/ 3.23 |
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| 18:27.38 | davis | pipeline: bummer. |
| 18:27.40 | greycat | !ubuntusmite slappy16 |
| 18:27.44 | pipeline | davis: Bummer? |
| 18:27.45 | freewoody | What could be the problem with the NIC cards |
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| 18:27.47 | green_earz | freewoody: have a look at the net work cards it may be where the problem is ?? |
| 18:27.53 | slappy16 | whats that? that project is depressing me |
| 18:27.54 | MoneyMan | pipeline: I know its updateing the kernel/packages right? so I'm wondering by default does surge install xserver or no.. dude.. just tell me to fuck off if my question doesnt make sense ;) |
| 18:27.55 | pipeline | freewoody: Bad cabling, probably. |
| 18:28.04 | dfadel | hi... I got trouble when trying to access an external FTP from my internal network (behind a NAT). can someone tell me how to solve this, without change ftp client to passive mode? |
| 18:28.04 | davis | pipeline: without pxe, the client box would try to load via port 4011 |
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| 18:28.09 | freewoody | Well I am getting the same problem in all 4 NIC cards |
| 18:28.20 | pipeline | davis: I have no idea what you're talking about now :P |
| 18:28.24 | EdibleText | freewoody, have you tried a new cable? |
| 18:28.27 | davis | pipeline: now that i have removed pxe and restarted everything. it is still trying port 4011 again. |
| 18:28.35 | freewoody | I have tried more that 10 different cables |
| 18:28.36 | pipeline | davis: Is that unusual behaviour? |
| 18:28.51 | Unskill3d | dfadel: what auth mode do u use ? |
| 18:28.54 | davis | pipeline: supposedly pxe use port 4011 |
| 18:28.57 | valdyn | freewoody: grep ethX /var/log/syslog.0 | grep down ( on both computers ) |
| 18:29.01 | freewoody | Could it be due to some driver problem |
| 18:29.25 | dfadel | Unskill3d: plain user and password |
| 18:29.40 | Unskill3d | dfadel: u tried others ? |
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| 18:29.47 | valdyn | freewoody: grep ethX /var/log/syslog | grep down ( on both computers ) |
| 18:29.56 | dfadel | Unskill3d: I cannot change the FTP server. Isn't mine. |
| 18:30.10 | pipeline | davis: As they depend upon ARP, tftp/pxe/dhcp aren't routable, if that's what you're planning. |
| 18:30.19 | EdibleText | freewoody, do you havce multiple dhcp clients running? perhaps you're sharing an identical IP with another box.. |
| 18:30.21 | green_earz | freewoody: have you try a box to box over twisted wired, just to see if its the router thats the problem |
| 18:30.32 | Unskill3d | dfadel: i hab similar probs and finally it worked with user@host NOAUTH on the client |
| 18:30.40 | KinxofSepluv | !rules |
| 18:30.40 | dpkg | i heard rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 18:30.46 | dfadel | Unskill3d: I have a little program that connects on that server each hour and transfer some log files... All I can do is change my firewall |
| 18:30.51 | green_earz | freewoody: twisted wire |
| 18:30.59 | freewoody | No I am using a Static IP address |
| 18:31.09 | davis | pipeline: i have the initial part of the dhcp transaction working. |
| 18:31.15 | MoneyMan | Ohhh... not on this server but on another server I ran the apt-get command and halfway thorugh a install I had to cancel install... so now apt-get doesnt work anymore I guess it locks itself to make sure it isnt run in 2 places at once? anyone know how to get it to continue again or cancel the install so i can use the command again? |
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| 18:31.18 | freewoody | All the computers have their own Static IP address |
| 18:31.24 | EdibleText | freewoody, what green_earz sez, eliminate the routers/switching/hubs with a crossover cable |
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| 18:31.39 | davis | pipeline, the dhcpserver gives out the address to the network boot box. |
| 18:31.50 | green_earz | EdibleText: thanks |
| 18:32.00 | valdyn | MoneyMan: is it still running? |
| 18:32.02 | davis | pipeline: then it tries to use port 4011 to get the pxe screen. |
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| 18:32.23 | EdibleText | green_earz, its like trying to get an old lawnmower running. |
| 18:32.28 | freewoody | Well I don't do the cable wiring thing |
| 18:32.36 | davis | pipeline: with the pxe demon installed, it would show a screen on the remote computer where it would liist boot choices like boot local or pxelinux. |
| 18:32.38 | furrywolf | lawnmowers are easy to fix |
| 18:32.39 | pipeline | davis: The tftp daemon needs to be running on the boot server, and you need to have an appropriate next-server directive in the DHCP configuration on your DHCP server if it is not the boot server. |
| 18:32.40 | green_earz | y |
| 18:32.41 | MoneyMan | valdyn: I dont think so... I mean I ran init 6 so try and fix it but still doesnt work.. |
| 18:32.43 | Unskill3d | dfadel: but the authorization is on ur client, isnt it? |
| 18:32.45 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:32.51 | davis | pipeline: i have that. |
| 18:32.53 | Azar | is official woody 3.0r5 is out |
| 18:32.59 | valdyn | MoneyMan: look into /var/lock/ |
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| 18:33.10 | pipeline | davis: Don't use the PXE daemon. That's all I can say, I'm afraid. You're being pretty vague about your problem. |
| 18:33.14 | freewoody | Could the packet loss be due to some old driver problem ? |
| 18:33.18 | dfadel | Unskill3d: yes... I think that it has a config.ini file where I can change that |
| 18:33.18 | davis | pipeline: sorry. |
| 18:33.24 | davis | pipeline: let me look some more. |
| 18:33.24 | valdyn | MoneyMan: or /var/run |
| 18:33.27 | pipeline | freewoody: No, it's some kind of hardware problem. |
| 18:33.27 | streuner | Azar: if that's an question, yes. |
| 18:33.34 | freewoody | How do I see the driver version for the NIC card ? |
| 18:33.37 | green_earz | EdibleText: two cans and a pace of string. the first phone |
| 18:33.45 | Unskill3d | dfadel: and when ur firewalls allows ftp it must be that. yes try to mess around with it ,) |
| 18:33.50 | Azar | :) streuner, thanks I was just bumped into debian woody news |
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| 18:34.01 | davis | pipeline: whoops. tftpd-hpa was disabled. |
| 18:34.05 | Azar | !ur |
| 18:34.06 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 18:34.11 | davis | pipeline: still does not solve problem though. |
| 18:34.11 | raf256 | what is good to pixel-by-pixel drawing? |
| 18:34.18 | pipeline | davis: Restart inetd. |
| 18:34.31 | pipeline | davis: PXE is pretty simple to set up. It's probably something dead obviou.s |
| 18:34.32 | EdibleText | furrywolf, you must have enjoyed Slingblade ;) |
| 18:34.40 | davis | pipeline: can you join #flood, i'll show you a tcpdump. it shows what's working and what's not. |
| 18:34.46 | furrywolf | raf: gimp is good for all. |
| 18:34.47 | pipeline | davis: Nah. |
| 18:34.52 | furrywolf | edible: slingblade? |
| 18:35.02 | MoneyMan | valdyn: What am I looking for? |
| 18:35.14 | valdyn | MoneyMan: or are you getting an error pointing to a specific lock? show the error please |
| 18:35.14 | pipeline | davis: Use a pastebin. |
| 18:35.22 | dfadel | Unskill3d: thereis 3 lines. line1: [config] line2: user=xxx <mailto:xxx> line3: password: xxx |
| 18:35.23 | EdibleText | EdibleText, excellent movie involving a small engine repairman |
| 18:35.24 | davis | pipeline: ok. |
| 18:35.37 | dfadel | Unskill3d: what exactly have you done to work? |
| 18:35.38 | furrywolf | dunno, neve heard of it. |
| 18:35.44 | EdibleText | EdibleText, directed and starring Billy Bob Thorton |
| 18:35.48 | MoneyMan | [root@vps138238 lock]# apt-get -bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 18:35.58 | greycat | MoneyMan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:36.02 | Unskill3d | sry im not familiar with that app. btw which app is it ? |
| 18:36.10 | EdibleText | bah |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | MoneyMan: now that is a very explicit error |
| 18:36.15 | jim | MoneyMan: are you running debian? :) |
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| 18:36.22 | furrywolf | I just happen to be the only one in the family capable of fixing them, so every time someone's lawnmower/weedwhacker/chainsaw/whatever dies, it ends up in my garage. :) |
| 18:36.33 | jim | maybe you just have to install apt |
| 18:36.40 | streuner | heh |
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| 18:36.43 | pipeline | MoneyMan: Is /usr/bin in your path variable? Did you mount /usr? Are you using a new enough version of debian to even have apt? |
| 18:36.48 | MoneyMan | No... not on thius one... i think its FEdora? |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | MoneyMan: then go away. |
| 18:36.56 | streuner | if you haven't apt you haven't debian :-) |
| 18:36.57 | furrywolf | last project was a lawnmower with a 7hp briggs.... THAT was a piece of work. about 50 simultanious problems. :) |
| 18:37.04 | jim | oh... heh, no wonder |
| 18:37.04 | pipeline | MoneyMan: Use debootstrap to install debian. |
| 18:37.10 | greycat | streuner: or he has debian 2.0 or earlier. |
| 18:37.13 | dfadel | Unskill3d: I don't know the application cause is not in my company. I'm trying to help a friend. I think that is a satellite monitoring system |
| 18:37.17 | yildirim | how can i delete my myqls? |
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| 18:37.21 | pipeline | greycat: He just said it's Fedora. |
| 18:37.22 | yildirim | *mysql |
| 18:37.26 | MoneyMan | okay.. whatever.. that server is fine.. ill just leave it alone |
| 18:37.26 | streuner | greycat: how he could get 2.0? ;-) |
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| 18:37.35 | EdibleText | furrywolf, you should watch slingblade then. |
| 18:37.37 | Roldyx | hi |
| 18:37.40 | pipeline | yildirim: apt-get remove --purge mysql |
| 18:37.40 | greycat | streuner: it would take some effort. |
| 18:37.48 | jim | MoneyMan: yeah, you don't have to change it if it's working and what you want |
| 18:37.55 | furrywolf | edible: I'm not a movie/tv fan... don't own a tv. |
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| 18:38.05 | jim | (just avoid reiser for now) |
| 18:38.08 | stew | pipeline: there is no such package |
| 18:38.11 | MoneyMan | jim: agreed... its uploading so im fine with it... |
| 18:38.16 | dwu | why does debian come with shitfonts like bitstream? god damn it i hate them |
| 18:38.27 | Azar | jim :) nice seeing you |
| 18:38.28 | eggy | reo |
| 18:38.35 | pipeline | dwu: Because the Bitstream fonts are the best free truetype fonts available |
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| 18:38.39 | jim | Heya Azar :) |
| 18:38.47 | Roldyx | maeglin_artarin, ??? |
| 18:38.50 | pipeline | dwu: In that they're just about the only free truetype fonts available :P |
| 18:38.52 | dwu | pipeline i dont mind that, but having apps depend on them? |
| 18:39.13 | pipeline | dwu: What application depends upon having a specific font? Do you mean a metapackage? |
| 18:39.16 | yildirim | pipeline i want to keep my data?:S |
| 18:39.29 | dwu | why cant they have a meta package that says "truetype font" |
| 18:39.31 | pipeline | yildirim: oh, then just use "remove" without the "--purge" switch. |
| 18:39.32 | jim | ok, MoneyMan: your original question had to do with getting newest debian... that still interest you? |
| 18:39.38 | pipeline | yildirim: --purge removes the configuration files and shit |
| 18:39.40 | EdibleText | furrywolf, I hear that. My 'tv' is a woodburning stove. The yule log channel is always on. |
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| 18:39.58 | furrywolf | edible: lol |
| 18:40.00 | dwu | yildirim dpkg -P --force-all mysql when you as last resort |
| 18:40.02 | MoneyMan | jim: Weeeeeee..... 99% downloaded ... I think its running fine... for now... |
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| 18:40.16 | pipeline | EdibleText, furrywolf: How do you live without TV? I don't think I could survive without using mine as a table. |
| 18:40.35 | pipeline | EdibleText, furrywolf: An old cabinet-style TV is often cheaper than well-built wood furniture :P |
| 18:40.36 | MoneyMan | Enable suExec? |
| 18:40.37 | furrywolf | I own a table. :P |
| 18:40.40 | MoneyMan | nahhh |
| 18:40.42 | jim | MoneyMan: out of curiousity, what was it brought you to the conclusion you might want debian? |
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| 18:40.48 | yildirim | pipeline i cant do that?:S |
| 18:41.02 | jim | furrywolf: put table salt on it! |
| 18:41.03 | pipeline | yildirim: You can use "apt-get remove" without doing --purge |
| 18:41.03 | MoneyMan | jim: hahahaha apt-get... cause its the only command I know... hahahahhaah |
| 18:41.08 | furrywolf | tv hasn't shown any sign of improving... 350 channels and nothing on. |
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| 18:41.20 | EdibleText | pipeline, I use some big wood cabinet speakers and a plank :) |
| 18:41.26 | jim | MoneyMan: ohh... want to fix that part (knowing only that command) |
| 18:41.28 | jim | ? |
| 18:41.30 | streuner | MoneyMan: you'll love that command ;-) |
| 18:41.38 | streuner | MoneyMan: for sure :-) |
| 18:41.44 | MoneyMan | rgr that |
| 18:41.51 | hikenboot | anyone able to tell me how i determine which usb port i have a printer on? Somthing to do with /proc??YES/NO? |
| 18:42.11 | pipeline | EdibleText: A waste of good cabinet speakers. You could buy new speakers to put in it on the cheap and build yourself some nice speakers :P |
| 18:42.11 | MoneyMan | jim: it works find on my debian system but its screwed up on my fedora system... but fedora system already setup so ill leave it alone |
| 18:42.17 | furrywolf | kikenboot: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 18:42.17 | Active2 | furrywolf, well Norway has 3 public senders and every f*cking there is something i like, but i live in the Netherlands and it's bad over here :X |
| 18:42.20 | furrywolf | or use lsusb |
| 18:42.26 | hikenboot | thanks so much |
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| 18:42.34 | pipeline | MoneyMan: Wouldn't it be more useful to install debian, in case you need to mess with it in the future? |
| 18:42.34 | davis | pipeline: http://channels.debian.net/paste/34. |
| 18:42.35 | Active2 | furrywolf, every day (sorry) |
| 18:42.41 | jim | MoneyMan: ok,,, but I'm talkin about your knowledge... want to expand it? |
| 18:42.45 | \sh | g'evening |
| 18:42.45 | EdibleText | pipeline, hey thats on the 'do' list :P |
| 18:42.51 | streuner | MoneyMan: the point is, what services do you running actually? |
| 18:43.01 | EdibleText | pipeline, thats why they didnt become fuel |
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| 18:43.08 | furrywolf | I've yet to ever miss tv. :) |
| 18:43.10 | \sh | guys, is bugs.debian.org accepting mail attachments? |
| 18:43.13 | MoneyMan | jim: sure... but debian and linux in general are hardcore to learn |
| 18:43.17 | pipeline | davis: It looks like you're trying to boot the Solaris installer |
| 18:43.18 | Delph | furrywolf: what is it about furries and random pieces of technology =:/ |
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| 18:43.24 | pipeline | davis: That requires a bunch of vendor-specific DHCP options |
| 18:43.28 | davis | pipeline: correct. |
| 18:43.29 | furrywolf | delph: ? |
| 18:43.38 | PerfDave | Delph: Wood chippers? >:) |
| 18:43.40 | davis | pipeline: but at this point, I have not gotten that far. |
| 18:43.42 | pipeline | davis: I think you can do it with ISC DHCP, but you'll need to consult the Sun reference. |
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| 18:43.54 | Delph | PerfDave: and lawnmowers, and bifuricating dual fan'ed heat pipes |
| 18:43.54 | MoneyMan | streuner: the only commands I really run are screen and the bittorrent one.. |
| 18:43.56 | Active2 | MoneyMan, if you don't learn the hardcore, you don't learn it at all (debian is a bit hard to learn but if you know, you won't something else) |
| 18:43.57 | davis | pipeline: its still at the broadcom nic part where its trying to boot. |
| 18:44.04 | streuner | \sh: i would guess no, why do you think you need some jpgs to show how messed up your system is ? ;-) |
| 18:44.12 | dwu | Active2 debian is easy |
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| 18:44.19 | davis | pipeline: with pxe installed, I would at least get a response at port 4011. |
| 18:44.19 | slappy16 | ya..apt is great |
| 18:44.20 | streuner | MoneyMan: no problem, just install debian |
| 18:44.21 | Roldyx | Nahuel, ??? |
| 18:44.25 | Delph | gaah, and they get so enthusiastic about it as well =:/ |
| 18:44.27 | Active2 | dwu, hehe i know ;) (for me it's easy) |
| 18:44.30 | davis | pipeline: as is now, it does not get that far. |
| 18:44.31 | dwu | Active2 what are you saying, why would anyone make a hard distro? |
| 18:44.33 | seldon | debian is easy once you know it. Until then, it's hard. |
| 18:44.54 | hikenboot | one last question the line Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 means its on USB port #1???? |
| 18:44.58 | Nahuel | Roldyx, ? |
| 18:44.59 | Active2 | dwu, it's not saying hard, but if someone wants to get involved it's hard, even by other distro's |
| 18:45.01 | EdibleText | !be debian barbie |
| 18:45.01 | dpkg | Debian's install is hard! |
| 18:45.21 | pipeline | davis: I would give up, as you'll probably end up using a Solaris server for this anyway. |
| 18:45.24 | furrywolf | delph: I'm more of a jack-of-all-trades... somehow every time ANYTHING needs doing, I'm the one people try to con into doing it. |
| 18:45.25 | valdyn | hikenboot: what are you trying to do? you normally do not need to know your usb devices port |
| 18:45.28 | MoneyMan | well lets see if I can setup the one thats already installed and well go from there ;) |
| 18:45.33 | davis | pipeline: hmm. |
| 18:45.37 | Roldyx | Nahuel, what do you want here?? |
| 18:45.38 | hikenboot | install it into cups it doesnt detect it |
| 18:45.42 | jim | MoneyMan: it would -seem- that knowing a few different commands would help... I usually suggest this order: first, cd and ls... then, get to know a little of where things are by maybe starting with cd / ; ls |
| 18:45.49 | green_earz | furrywolf: do you bittornet. for the video stuff you need. if so chech out > may be some goodie that you will like >http://www.mininova.org/ |
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| 18:45.52 | pipeline | davis: But it's odd that your dhcpd isn't responding to PXE requests. Configuration error, I suppose. |
| 18:45.54 | valdyn | hikenboot: then you're missing a driver |
| 18:45.56 | GrayThunder | my keyboard hangs when i try to install using the default kernel. |
| 18:46.00 | davis | pipeline: ok. so I should just use a solaris server to netboot the box? i can do that. |
| 18:46.01 | dwu | Active2 i think windows is hard. because registry is as far as you get. |
| 18:46.04 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 18:46.04 | Delph | furrywolf: aye, that happens as well. it's the fox syndrome. |
| 18:46.09 | pipeline | davis: Using a Solaris server will just be easier |
| 18:46.10 | GrayThunder | sarge install |
| 18:46.11 | valdyn | hikenboot: try lsusb to see the devices, but i doubt that will help w/ cups |
| 18:46.14 | greycat | GrayThunder: try another kernel. file an installation report. |
| 18:46.18 | pipeline | davis: As the Sun docs will hold your hand and explain all of the vendor-specific options. |
| 18:46.20 | davis | pipeline: yah, i'll take your advice and do that. |
| 18:46.22 | seldon | Depends on what you want with it, really - it's my first choice for servers, but I usually don't recommend it to users that want to try linux but not get involved too much. |
| 18:46.24 | furrywolf | green: why would I want to download video? I don't have a tv for a reason, you know. :P |
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| 18:46.28 | jim | then cd around, look at what files and dirs are in ther... you know, sorta get to know where things seem to be |
| 18:46.37 | pipeline | davis: I tried getting ISC DHCP to do it once, and I don't remember whether I was successful, but I remember that it was a bit of a pain. |
| 18:46.43 | davis | pipeline: the sun docs are pretty sun specific. ie. run setup. |
| 18:46.52 | furrywolf | delph: fox syndrome? |
| 18:47.03 | jim | next few commands, cat, head, tail, echo |
| 18:47.05 | Delph | furrywolf: everyone's a sub =:) |
| 18:47.13 | furrywolf | delph: ? |
| 18:47.14 | pipeline | davis: BTW, PXE is an Officially Supported Yada Yada method of installing Solaris x86, and Solaris comes with the right daemons and shit out of the box |
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| 18:47.16 | davis | pipeline: but no joke? this should respond to pxe boot dcommands. |
| 18:47.20 | GrayThunder | greycat: i was able to install using a 2.6.7 kernel, but cdrecord fials when using that kernel |
| 18:47.27 | pipeline | davis: ISC dhcp server should work fine with it with no bull |
| 18:47.30 | pipeline | apt-cache show dhcp3 |
| 18:47.32 | pipeline | apt-cache show dhcp3-server |
| 18:47.35 | pipeline | doh |
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| 18:47.37 | green_earz | furrywolf: then streamtuner for net radio |
| 18:47.38 | pipeline | forgot the /exec part |
| 18:47.42 | Delph | hah, i do declare he's not furry =:) |
| 18:47.44 | valentinos | hello |
| 18:47.50 | EdibleText | furrywolf, curiousity+technical aptitude+generous spirit= fix other peoples stuff ;) |
| 18:48.03 | furrywolf | edible: sounds about right. :) |
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| 18:48.20 | hikenboot | thanks again |
| 18:48.32 | hikenboot | that shows clearly its on bus 0 device 2 |
| 18:48.40 | pipeline | davis: Yeah, dhcp3-server is definitely ISC DHCP 3, and I've used that many, many times for PXE. Hmm. |
| 18:48.52 | furrywolf | delph: last I checked I was furry? :P |
| 18:49.06 | davis | pipeline: I have used this dhcp3-server to netboot a ton of powerpc and sparc boxes. |
| 18:49.11 | pipeline | davis: This may sound silly, but is the dhcpd finding the configuration file OK? |
| 18:49.22 | valentinos | i have problem with my sound i used the oss way added the modules ok, test the /dev/sound ok but i am not be able to use it with xmms/totem |
| 18:49.25 | yildirim | pipeline my mysql will be downgrade how can i fix them ? |
| 18:49.25 | yildirim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.26 | yildirim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.26 | yildirim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.26 | yildirim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.29 | davis | pipeline: I even used it to boot a windowsxp embedded bot before. |
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| 18:49.46 | yildirim | sorry |
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| 18:49.53 | greycat | GrayThunder: don't attempt to use ide-scsi emulation with 2.6.x kernels. you must use that new dev=ATAPI:... crap. |
| 18:49.59 | davis | pipeline: believe so. let me tail syslog when i restart it. |
| 18:50.10 | pipeline | davis: Hmm. Long shot: Multiple IP addresses on an adaptor? |
| 18:50.10 | streuner | yildirim: don't flood here - /msg dpkg flood |
| 18:50.17 | davis | pipeline: no |
| 18:50.20 | nicedreams | how and where can I change or make it so with my joypad that the analong and directional buttons do the same thing? |
| 18:50.33 | seldon | valentinos: My guess is you're using the wrong output plugin. Click on the tiny O in the upper left corner of the xmms window and set it to OSS |
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| 18:50.41 | davis | dhcpd: wrote three messages to syslog. |
| 18:50.50 | seldon | Or, even better, install alsa |
| 18:50.53 | furrywolf | delph: and why would you think I'm not furry? :P |
| 18:50.53 | pipeline | davis: Funny, port 4011 is a port for DHCP proxying |
| 18:50.59 | pipeline | davis: I don't see why it should be contacting it at all |
| 18:51.04 | PerfDave | furrywolf: You're not a paedophile sociopath? :) |
| 18:51.05 | davis | 0 deleted host decls, 0 new dynamic, 0 leases. |
| 18:51.07 | GrayThunder | greycat: looking that up. thanks |
| 18:51.19 | valentinos | seldon, nope no luck |
| 18:51.19 | valdyn | valentinos: kill esd |
| 18:51.32 | davis | pipeline: the x86 server I am trying to network boot is choosing port 4011 |
| 18:51.35 | pipeline | davis: Here's another weird one -- is bootp enabled in dhcpd.conf ? |
| 18:51.36 | streuner | PerfDave: should that been said? |
| 18:51.38 | yildirim | http://channels.debian.net/paste/35?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
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| 18:51.43 | MoneyMan | does anoyone know do I need GUI .. aka Xserver to run azureus? |
| 18:51.46 | yildirim | look ;) |
| 18:51.49 | Delph | paedonphillic, surely. |
| 18:51.54 | MoneyMan | or is java good enough? |
| 18:51.55 | davis | pipeline: on a diff x86 workstation, it uses std port. |
| 18:51.56 | streuner | yildirim: stop it |
| 18:52.05 | yildirim | what? |
| 18:52.08 | PerfDave | streuner: I don't see why not. |
| 18:52.08 | davis | pipeline: bootp is enabled. |
| 18:52.11 | streuner | yildirim: don't flood the channel |
| 18:52.12 | smo_ | no money |
| 18:52.21 | yildirim | i donno flood |
| 18:52.21 | seldon | valentinos: Have you got the permissions to write to /dev/sound/dsp then? |
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| 18:52.28 | MoneyMan | smo_: so java is enough? |
| 18:52.33 | smo_ | y |
| 18:52.38 | davis | allow bootp; |
| 18:52.38 | valdyn | MoneyMan: you need an X server |
| 18:52.38 | MoneyMan | heh? |
| 18:52.41 | streuner | !tell yildirim about flood |
| 18:52.41 | furrywolf | perfdave: you seem to have furry confused with the bullshit the media says furry is... media = sensationalism. "there's people that have a connection with animals" doesn't get ratings. "look at the freaks who fuck each other in fursuits!" does. even though they invented in... |
| 18:52.47 | MoneyMan | valdyn: kk thanks |
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| 18:52.58 | MoneyMan | then ill stick to bittorrent.. |
| 18:53.05 | davis | valdyn: #alsa-user is good for sound help. |
| 18:53.10 | PerfDave | furrywolf: I have never paid attention to what the media has to say. I have observed things for myself, thank you. |
| 18:53.12 | yildirim | streuner i have past it.. |
| 18:53.21 | bonez41 | when running apt-get what's the switch to use with 'unstable' i.e., apt-get -? unstable install application.x |
| 18:53.22 | Delph | furrywolf: you need to go to more cons, mate =:) |
| 18:53.22 | valentinos | sorry :) i was able to test it with /dev/audio |
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| 18:53.25 | pipeline | davis: Well, I don't know what to tell you. There's no reason that the dhcpd shouldn't be responding. Have you tried restarting it? :P |
| 18:53.30 | Azgalor | HI |
| 18:53.31 | valdyn | davis: who needs alsa sound help? |
| 18:53.36 | valentinos | seldon, /dev/sound/ it not there |
| 18:53.38 | davis | pipeline: yes. |
| 18:53.39 | pipeline | davis: Or possibly starting the dhcp daemon by hand, in debug mode? |
| 18:53.44 | streuner | yildirim: we saw it already, to tell you the truth, its you own decision |
| 18:53.52 | seldon | /dev/dsp then |
| 18:53.54 | furrywolf | perfdave: and where, exactly, have you observed this? :P |
| 18:53.59 | davis | pipeline: I have not tried manual mode. |
| 18:54.09 | Azgalor | SO |
| 18:54.13 | davis | valdyn: sorry, i thought you were asking for sound assistance. |
| 18:54.14 | resiak | I should have done /nick furrybunnygirl... |
| 18:54.16 | Azgalor | can u vote for me plz |
| 18:54.19 | streuner | yildirim: in most case its ok |
| 18:54.19 | Azgalor | =) |
| 18:54.21 | Azgalor | http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441 |
| 18:54.26 | Azgalor | thank u so much |
| 18:54.30 | PerfDave | furrywolf: I know of an awful lot of furs IRL, sadly. |
| 18:54.31 | pipeline | davis: It just stops it from going into the background as a daemon, outputs errors to stdout or stderr instead of the log. |
| 18:54.31 | valentinos | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 19 13:27 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
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| 18:54.44 | pipeline | davis: perhaps it has reasonable output |
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| 18:55.05 | valdyn | valentinos: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 18:55.12 | davis | pipeline: do you happen to have a working dhcp3server config for pxe boot? |
| 18:55.17 | furrywolf | perfdave: hrmm. my only guess would be that you attract furverts, then. I've yet to meet one. :P |
| 18:55.28 | valentinos | valdyn, static |
| 18:55.40 | valdyn | valentinos: so your sound works |
| 18:55.47 | seldon | valentinos: so what permissions does /dev/dsp0 have? |
| 18:55.55 | seldon | Does that urandom stuff work as user or only as root? |
| 18:55.55 | PerfDave | furrywolf: *shrug* I don't go out of my way to interact with them. Quite the opposite. |
| 18:56.06 | helix | PerfDave: where do you meet them? |
| 18:56.09 | valentinos | seldon, crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Apr 19 13:27 /dev/dsp0 |
| 18:56.13 | helix | I've never met one IRL that I know of |
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| 18:56.17 | valdyn | valentinos: xmms default should work too, whats the problem with it? |
| 18:56.24 | khanman | wtf happened? |
| 18:56.26 | khanman | attack? |
| 18:56.27 | seldon | valentinos: Is the user in group audio? |
| 18:56.37 | furrywolf | perfdave: heh. are you sure they're actually furverts, or are you just applying stereotypes on them? |
| 18:56.41 | caphuso | what the hell is a "furvert" and does discussion of it really belong into #debian? |
| 18:56.42 | PerfDave | helix: There seems to be an unhealthy number of the little shits who hang around in goth clubs making the place look untidy. |
| 18:56.49 | helix | ah |
| 18:56.56 | valentinos | seldon, i must check , valdyn xmms does not work |
| 18:56.56 | PerfDave | caphuso: People who like to think they're animals to justify fucking little kids. |
| 18:56.56 | davis | pipeline: maybe I should try to reinstall pxe and figure out how to get it to work with the dhcp sever since it at least talks on port 4011. |
| 18:56.59 | pipeline | davis: http://pastebin.ca/9835 |
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| 18:57.04 | helix | caphuso: furries! |
| 18:57.08 | caphuso | PerfDave: so it's not a #debian topic |
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| 18:57.15 | PerfDave | caphuso: No, but I didn't start it ;) |
| 18:57.19 | pipeline | davis: And no, you shouldn't do that. That's a really old way of doing things. I'm pretty sure even ISC DHCP 2.x did PXE natively. |
| 18:57.19 | mngrif | i used to know a few hardcore furries.... scarey group they were, at least online |
| 18:57.21 | helix | caphuso is a party pooper |
| 18:57.22 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 18:57.43 | streuner | helix: scroll up, and read what PerfDave said |
| 18:57.50 | valdyn | valentinos: do I look like a prophet? "doesn't work" is nothing useful to work with |
| 18:57.52 | streuner | helix: that's OT |
| 18:57.52 | mngrif | out and about they were quite cool, but i did learn to never trust a link from a furry :P |
| 18:57.54 | davis | pipeline: where did hyou get the pxelinux.0 file? |
| 18:58.04 | helix | streuner: we're always OT in here |
| 18:58.15 | streuner | helix: mostly not |
| 18:58.21 | pipeline | davis: "pxelinux.0" is the name of the file that it will download from the boot server specified in the "next-server" directive. |
| 18:58.32 | mngrif | streuner: topics are ment to be off! |
| 18:58.35 | streuner | helix: but that's OT in every channel |
| 18:58.37 | paulswm | !win caphuso and streuner |
| 18:58.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso and streuner! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:58.47 | streuner | no thanks :-) |
| 18:58.50 | davis | pipeline: that secondary server is not the same server. |
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| 18:58.54 | EdibleText | streuner, well except #furverts |
| 18:58.59 | davis | pipeline: is it perhaps a windows box? |
| 18:59.00 | streuner | :-) |
| 18:59.02 | bonez41 | when running apt-get what's the switch to use with 'unstable' i.e., apt-get -? unstable install application.x |
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| 18:59.16 | valentinos | valdyn, Well xmms says that my sound card is not configured properly or its in use |
| 18:59.23 | paulswm | streuner: Well you know what I mean :) |
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| 18:59.51 | pipeline | davis: In this case, it is the same server as the DHCP server. I made it explicit so that I wouldn't confuse myself in the future if I moved the DHCP server. |
| 18:59.52 | PerfDave | bonez41: man apt-get |
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| 19:00.13 | pipeline | davis: Also, the Windows DHCP and TFTP daemons are seriously brain-damaged. AVOID. |
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| 19:00.24 | tiekam | hallo zusammen |
| 19:00.29 | valdyn | valentinos: maybe it was in use, i cant know, but the other test worked, so it was free then, try xmms again |
| 19:00.32 | valentinos | seldon, thanks :) i change the permision of dsp0 and i have sound :) |
| 19:00.35 | streuner | tiekam: sprich englisch |
| 19:00.36 | davis | pipeline: dude. you may have helped me considerably. |
| 19:00.42 | tiekam | hello together |
| 19:00.49 | valdyn | !permissios |
| 19:00.49 | valdyn | !permissions |
| 19:00.49 | dpkg | well, permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 19:00.53 | seldon | Don't change the permission, add the user to group audio |
| 19:00.58 | davis | pipeline: I commented out all the vendor specific stuff and now it is trying to tftp |
| 19:01.11 | seldon | You'll have to re-logon, but I still think access control is a good idea |
| 19:01.18 | green_earz | valentinos: have you got the output plugin set in xmms to oss it thats what you are using |
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| 19:01.23 | davis | heh. now tftpd does not work. lol. |
| 19:01.27 | tiekam | i have a Problem with DSL on Debian Sarge. Who can me help |
| 19:01.39 | valentinos | boys i its fixed now thanks all :) |
| 19:01.49 | seldon | you're welcome |
| 19:01.50 | valdyn | valentinos: you dont want to fuck with permissions. |
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| 19:03.02 | valentinos | i have an almost 100% setup on a portege tablet p3500 :) |
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| 19:03.19 | streuner | tiekam: man, why do you don't follow any rules? |
| 19:03.20 | seldon | plus, the audio group thing will solve the problem forever. Otherwise, you'll have the same problem once you decide to upgrade to alsa |
| 19:03.20 | davis | pipeline: hmm. nobody 3563 0.0 0.0 2056 576 ? S 15:00 0:00 in.tftpd /tftpboot |
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| 19:03.26 | MoneyMan | hahahaa... my server is going nuts and every like 20 pages of test is ask me something to upgrade and I just hit Y.. im soo l33333t! |
| 19:03.37 | davis | but tftp localhost and then get inetboot.sun just times out. |
| 19:03.39 | streuner | tiekam: just ask your questions in channel |
| 19:03.44 | tiekam | sorry i am new here |
| 19:03.48 | noah | is it possible to mount a .iso (loopback) read-write? |
| 19:03.49 | pipeline | davis: That's normal. That's the process spawned by inetd. |
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| 19:04.07 | seldon | noah: No. iso9660 doesn't allow for that. |
| 19:04.15 | davis | pipeline: in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, i set it for RUN_DAEMON="yes" |
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| 19:04.27 | bonez41 | PerfDave, how about the -t option...... |
| 19:04.28 | davis | pipeline: and OPTIONS -l -s /tftpboot |
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| 19:04.38 | PerfDave | bonez41: S'got to be worth a go. |
| 19:04.40 | noah | seldon: so the only thing to do is extract it and create a new iso when you’re done... |
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| 19:04.49 | abashuta | I need some advice - to set up an email server on my machine, whats the best 'no brainer' software to install for the non-technically inclined? |
| 19:04.49 | pipeline | davis: Running the tftpd manually? Weeird. Whatever works, eh? |
| 19:04.50 | seldon | Yes |
| 19:04.54 | davis | pipeline: and I put the inetboot.sun file in the /tftpboot direcotry. |
| 19:04.56 | noah | seldon: k, thx |
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| 19:05.09 | seldon | You may have better luck with UPF, though |
| 19:05.13 | tiekam | when i restart the System i can not make pon dsl-provider. It can not connected to the Internet. I must make pppoeconf and than are ok. why? |
| 19:05.20 | noah | seldon: what’s that? |
| 19:05.22 | bonez41 | PerfDave, that's just the thing..it's not listed in the manpage or at --help |
| 19:05.31 | seldon | package writing |
| 19:05.41 | bonez41 | PerfDave, must be an undocumented switch... |
| 19:05.44 | PerfDave | bonez41: Uhm, which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:05.58 | davis | pipeline: whoops. group of nobody does not exist. maybe that is it. |
| 19:06.01 | bonez41 | I have 1.1.2 operoffice on this machine, but my office machine runs 1.1.3... |
| 19:06.03 | seldon | I haven't tried that loopback, though |
| 19:06.10 | pipeline | davis: How could the "nobody" group not exist? And why should it matter? |
| 19:06.12 | bonez41 | PerfDave, debian 3.0..on both machines.. |
| 19:06.17 | noah | seldon: url? |
| 19:06.21 | davis | Apr 19 15:00:52 bic in.tftpd[3566]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
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| 19:06.27 | pipeline | davis: As long as it's r--r--r-- and /tftpboot is r-xr-xr-x, you should be fine |
| 19:06.28 | tiekam | kernel version are 2.6.8 |
| 19:06.28 | PerfDave | bonez41: Hmm, I don't have a Woody machine handy, but -t is definitely in the manpage for apt-get on Sarge. |
| 19:06.40 | PerfDave | bonez41: I'd be very surprised if it weren't documented in Woody. |
| 19:06.41 | davis | pipeline: do you have an group nobody in /etc/groups? |
| 19:06.43 | bonez41 | ok...I'll check again |
| 19:06.44 | gsp | can someone recomend a good package manager for KDE? |
| 19:06.52 | abashuta | anyone know what email server package is easiest to use? |
| 19:06.54 | PerfDave | gsp: synaptic or kpackage |
| 19:06.56 | streuner | gsp: apt-get |
| 19:07.02 | PerfDave | abashuta: exim, since it's installed by default. |
| 19:07.02 | seldon | Uh...ask google. If your kernel has upf support, you can mount it with -t upf, iirc |
| 19:07.10 | pipeline | davis: Nope. |
| 19:07.11 | gsp | apt-get... I'm looking to get away from the terminal |
| 19:07.13 | abashuta | thanks |
| 19:07.16 | gsp | thanks PerfDave |
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| 19:07.23 | green_earz | gsp: kpackage |
| 19:07.28 | noah | seldon: google thinks it’s a secret :P |
| 19:07.53 | luulis | gsp: what's wrong with terminal? :-) |
| 19:07.54 | seldon | wait a sec. I'm looking it up in menuconfig...I often get that name confused |
| 19:08.03 | MoneyMan | WTF.... My webmin just went down... ;( Error - Access denied for 68.126.193.153 anyone know how to get me access in again? |
| 19:08.05 | streuner | gsp: yeah, kpackage was good for me, if i switch from SuSE to debian, but learn how to use dpkg and apt-get |
| 19:08.11 | green_earz | gsp: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 19:08.15 | streuner | s/if/when/ |
| 19:08.27 | seldon | Yeah, it's called UDF |
| 19:08.28 | noah | seldon: udf? |
| 19:08.30 | seldon | my bad |
| 19:08.32 | noah | k |
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| 19:09.12 | tiekam | german people are here? |
| 19:09.14 | noah | seldon: udf will work on a cd? |
| 19:09.29 | streuner | tiekam: #debian.de - /msg dpkg nickserv |
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| 19:09.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@62.215.27.104] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:09.40 | tiekam | thanks @streuner |
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| 19:09.52 | seldon | Hm. It works on DVDs, and I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work with CDs |
| 19:09.58 | streuner | !tell sound about root |
| 19:10.01 | MoneyMan | Can I run bittorrent-gui without XServer? |
| 19:10.18 | dondelelcaro | MoneyMan: you'll need an XServer somewhere. |
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| 19:10.28 | MoneyMan | kk |
| 19:10.29 | dondelelcaro | s/XServer/X server/ |
| 19:10.29 | noah | MoneyMan: use bittorrentcurses |
| 19:10.31 | drac | MoneyMan: Yes, and no. You can run bittorrent, curses based. |
| 19:10.33 | green_earz | MoneyMan: ssh to the box and use lynx to chech whats up with webmin |
| 19:10.41 | seldon | Haven't tried it, though - I back my stuff up with a usb disk, so the need didn't arise yet |
| 19:10.55 | MoneyMan | everyone: kk will try and thanks |
| 19:11.17 | noah | seldon: ah yes, appears it’s commonly used with cd-rw |
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| 19:11.44 | seldon | Doesn't make sense with cd-r, does it? ;P |
| 19:11.58 | valdyn | seldon: it does |
| 19:12.18 | seldon | Hm. Yeah, but it should work way better with rw |
| 19:12.20 | slushpupie | did anyone else have problems upgrading slapd on sarge recently? |
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| 19:12.29 | seldon | What with being unable to delete stuff and all |
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| 19:14.24 | streuner | slushpupie: yes |
| 19:14.56 | Azar | streuner, what exactly was enhanced in sarge vs woody? |
| 19:15.05 | slushpupie | streuner: after we got over the data corruption, we are having issues with queries.. you? |
| 19:15.06 | streuner | Azar: soory? |
| 19:15.15 | streuner | sorry* |
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| 19:15.36 | Azar | um what comes in sarge that woody does not have? |
| 19:15.48 | seldon | Lots of stuff |
| 19:15.58 | streuner | slushpupie: it wouldn't take any influcences to my main services so i just ignored it... |
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| 19:16.06 | Azar | seldon, like what? |
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| 19:16.19 | seldon | like more programs, newer versions, debian-installer |
| 19:16.30 | seldon | It is a couple of years newer than woody, after all |
| 19:16.43 | Azar | seldon I see my gcc stays at same version number in sarge |
| 19:17.00 | seldon | Also, sarge is based on gcc 3 where woody is based on gcc 2.95 |
| 19:17.07 | valdyn | !info gcc woody |
| 19:17.09 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler.), section devel, is standard. Version: 2:2.95.4-14 (woody), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 19:17.10 | valdyn | !info gcc sarge |
| 19:17.13 | valdyn | Azar: hardly |
| 19:17.22 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 19:17.34 | Azar | hmm I upgraded to sarge last week and watched: gcc stays at 2.95 |
| 19:17.56 | seldon | Do you have the gcc metapackage installed, or just gcc-2.95? |
| 19:18.07 | streuner | Azar: just change the symlink /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 19:18.13 | Azar | seldon I used aptitude to climb to sarge |
| 19:18.28 | Azar | streuner, thanks :) |
| 19:19.39 | seldon | btw, sarge will be based on gcc 3.3, right? I notice that gcc 3.4 uses a new libstdc++, so I figured it would be too much work to compile everything against it...just want to make sure. |
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| 19:22.02 | greycat | seldon: correct |
| 19:22.04 | seldon | I wonder about the gcc versioning, too - seems to me that gcc 3.4 was a greater leap than 4.0 will be (especially in C++), and 4.1.0 will be a greater leap than 4.0 (seeing as the C parser is completely rewritten...) |
| 19:22.29 | bonez41 | PerfDave, thanks...that solved the problem...is it possible my ~/.gnome* files were corrupted somehow? or my ~/.gconf? |
| 19:22.55 | PerfDave | bonez41: I don't see what your Gnome config files have o do with your apt manpage :/ |
| 19:22.56 | js | can i pass an argument to the kernel via lilo to load a module for me without initrd? |
| 19:23.13 | js | i assume the pdc202xx_new module needs to be loaded earlier than i do |
| 19:23.26 | PerfDave | seldon: The big leap in 4.0 is the tree-SSA stuff. |
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| 19:23.34 | thefly | seldon: leap quantification is an ability that doesn't exist. nobody says that otherwise IT journalist wouldn't be able to write a line. |
| 19:24.08 | seldon | The tree-ssa stuff...touche. |
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| 19:24.39 | seldon | As for quantification - I didn't try to quantify it, I can't be that exact. Still, the changelogs allow for an at least roundabout evaluation of progress |
| 19:24.55 | thefly | bah |
| 19:25.00 | thefly | i don't really think so |
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| 19:25.13 | Fosten | hi, i'm using a regular ps2 mouse with 2.6.8-2 kernel, which module do i need to enable? psmouse, evdev, mousedev? |
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| 19:25.22 | seldon | psmouse |
| 19:25.37 | seldon | mousedev is for usb mice, afaik |
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| 19:25.49 | streuner | !listkeys 2.6 |
| 19:25.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.6' by key (15 of 24): 2.6 ;; 2.6 help ;; 2.6 mouse ;; 2.6 pool ;; 2.6 ps2 ;; 2.6.0 ;; 2.6.8 burning ;; 2.6.9+nv ;; 2.6.x ;; alsa 2.6 ;; bunk 2.6 ;; gnome2.6 ;; linux2.6 users ;; new_in_2.6 ;; nvidia + 2.6. |
| 19:26.00 | streuner | !2.6 mouse |
| 19:26.01 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 19:26.17 | seldon | psmouse uses mousedev? |
| 19:26.28 | seldon | OK, then you need both. |
| 19:27.22 | bonez41 | PerfDave, sorry, I am getting things mixed up...clearly....my gnome stuff has nothing to do with my apt-get..you are right.... |
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| 19:27.46 | stroebi | ist es möglich treiber für die avm fritz dsl karte per apt-get zu installieren ? |
| 19:28.21 | streuner | stroebi: talk english |
| 19:28.28 | streuner | stroebi: no |
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| 19:28.42 | seldon | He's asking about the avm dsl cards. And I think the module is in the vanilla kernel tree |
| 19:29.01 | streuner | stroebi: you need the sources of their website which is SuSE based |
| 19:29.09 | bwlang | i need to delete every 3rd file in a directory (they're named like this 00001.out 0000n.out) what's the easiest way to do that? |
| 19:29.11 | Fosten | psmouse didn't work |
| 19:29.15 | streuner | stroebi: google for avmdsl.txt |
| 19:29.27 | stroebi | ok - thanks streuner |
| 19:29.56 | streuner | stroebi: its on a lycos server, IIRC |
| 19:29.57 | stroebi | by the way - is there a german debian channel ? |
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| 19:30.02 | PerfDave | !de |
| 19:30.03 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 19:30.12 | streuner | stroebi: #debian.de - /msg nickserv help |
| 19:30.35 | stroebi | thx! |
| 19:30.54 | PerfDave | bwlang: Using seq to generate the numbers you want, tied in with for and rm. |
| 19:31.18 | bwlang | PerfDave: thanks ... i'll check out seq |
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| 19:33.56 | seldon | bwlang: for i in $(seq -f %04g 1 3 9999); do rm ${i}.out; done |
| 19:34.29 | streuner | stroebi: http://mitglied.lycos.de/Dsazta/avmdsl.txt |
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| 19:34.42 | greycat | seldon: PerfDave: for the record, I answered him in #bash. |
| 19:34.44 | greycat | let n=0; for i in *; do ((++n % 3 == 0)) && echo rm "$i"; done |
| 19:35.30 | seldon | is * required to expand to the files in alphabetic order? |
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| 19:36.01 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 19:36.17 | IcE-bOy | are there any Russian debian channel ? |
| 19:36.40 | streuner | !ru |
| 19:36.40 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 19:38.07 | seldon | Heh. I'm starting to like that bot. There's nothing more enerving than "hi, ru their, ne1 can help me??" |
| 19:38.16 | greycat | unnerving? |
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| 19:38.20 | Gremlin | how can i copy some documents from the linux-partition to the win-partition? |
| 19:38.22 | seldon | uh...yeah |
| 19:38.29 | seldon | cut me some slack for not being a native speaker ;P |
| 19:38.31 | greycat | Gremlin: NTFS or FAT? |
| 19:38.37 | Gremlin | ntfs |
| 19:38.41 | furrywolf | seldon: "ne1 can sum1 help me" :) |
| 19:39.08 | greycat | Gremlin: copy them across the network to another machine, run samba on that machine, boot into windows, and then pull the files onto the NTFS partition in windows. |
| 19:39.20 | dondelelcaro | seldon: so long as that sort of thing doesn't innerve you, it's ok. |
| 19:39.26 | Petro | furrywolf: sounds like a gentoo user |
| 19:39.32 | furrywolf | lol |
| 19:39.42 | greycat | analogously, you could use FTP, HTTP, SCP, etc. to get them onto the windows partition |
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| 19:39.57 | budluva | G2, i have a q |
| 19:40.06 | budluva | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 19:40.17 | Gremlin | what was that about ftp etc? |
| 19:40.18 | budluva | thats for masquerading to a modem correct? |
| 19:40.23 | G2 | budluva: switch pp0 for ethX |
| 19:40.26 | budluva | so if i want to share net with eth0, |
| 19:40.29 | budluva | yeah, exactly |
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| 19:40.31 | budluva | just making sure |
| 19:40.35 | davis | pipeline: you still here? |
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| 19:40.43 | G2 | budluva: get back to #fedora ;-) |
| 19:40.52 | budluva | ohhh |
| 19:40.52 | budluva | hehe |
| 19:40.56 | furrywolf | bbl, food time |
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| 19:41.41 | bourne_again | Hey I'm just curious, I downloaded ISOs for Debian 3.0r1, to get it up to 3.0r5 do I need to use each update cd in order or just the 3.0r5 cd alone |
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| 19:42.05 | phr34ky | does anyone have experience running debian on a powerpc? |
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| 19:42.14 | seldon | dondelelcaro: Uh...I'm afraid I can't make sense of "innerving"...tried to look it up, but babelfish doesn't know it - what does it mean? |
| 19:42.21 | streuner | phr34ky: #debianppc |
| 19:42.26 | phr34ky | oh ok thanks |
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| 19:42.42 | greycat | 15:42 DCC CHAT from Gremlin [10.41.1.55 port 1233] |
| 19:42.42 | greycat | !pal Gremlin |
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| 19:42.59 | dondelelcaro | !dict innerving |
| 19:43.01 | dpkg | could not find definition for innerving |
| 19:43.02 | bourne_again | anybody know about the upgrade cds? |
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| 19:43.08 | dondelelcaro | bah... |
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| 19:43.35 | greycat | bourne_again: all you have to do is apt-get the changed packages from the security.d.o server. |
| 19:43.39 | greycat | bourne_again: you don't need any CDs at all. |
| 19:43.41 | seldon | My first guess was something involving a sanatorium, but that guess may or may not be a rather wild one... |
| 19:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Innerve \In*nerve"\ ([i^]n*n[~e]rv"), v. t. To give nervous energy or power to; to give increased energy, force, or courage to; to invigorate; to stimulate. |
| 19:43.54 | seldon | Oh, I see. Like in japanimation. |
| 19:43.56 | bourne_again | greycat: i'm doing an install off the CDs not a netinst |
| 19:44.04 | greycat | bourne_again: then just install the newest thing you have. |
| 19:44.10 | greycat | bourne_again: /msg dpkg security |
| 19:44.36 | seldon | Well, I have yet to meet a kid able to fire ki blasts through the wire to me... ;P |
| 19:44.43 | bourne_again | ok so follow those instructions then apt-get the updates? |
| 19:45.08 | bourne_again | greycat: Whats the difference between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 19:45.50 | seldon | apt-get update gets the packages lists from the apt repository, upgrade gets the actual packages |
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| 19:46.02 | bourne_again | seldon: cool thanks |
| 19:46.03 | greycat | bourne_again: man apt-get |
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| 19:46.39 | bourne_again | greycat: i will, but i dont have debian installed yet |
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| 19:47.29 | seldon | I usually use dist-upgrade though. The man page says it's more intelligent. |
| 19:47.37 | seldon | I'd have to look the actual difference up |
| 19:47.41 | bourne_again | anyway thanks for the help guys |
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| 19:47.56 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/manstep/index.cgi?man=apt-get |
| 19:48.08 | wonkwonk | I removed password authentication from vsftpd through pam, but does anyone know how to force the current user as the ftp user so that my users can't specify another user? (I know it's not necessarily debian specific) |
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| 19:49.01 | bourne_again | seldon: i looked it up, dist-upgrade is better |
| 19:49.01 | seldon | wonkwonk: That's not possible. The server can't enforce client side restrictions. |
| 19:49.16 | bourne_again | seldon: apt-get upgrade doesnt install packages that require new dependancies |
| 19:49.28 | bourne_again | seldon: dist-upgrade will install them and download the new deps |
| 19:49.37 | bourne_again | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/02/msg00480.html |
| 19:49.39 | seldon | bourne_again: You may also want to use something like debfoster |
| 19:49.44 | seldon | keeps your system clean |
| 19:49.45 | bourne_again | whats that? |
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| 19:49.56 | bourne_again | oh like defroster? |
| 19:50.07 | bourne_again | ill man it later |
| 19:50.07 | wonkwonk | thx seldon |
| 19:50.09 | seldon | debfoster keeps track of the packages you want on your system and deinstalls those you don't need anymore |
| 19:50.09 | bourne_again | after i install debian |
| 19:50.18 | bourne_again | cool |
| 19:50.24 | bourne_again | ill talk to you guys later, after I install debian |
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| 19:50.33 | bourne_again | thanks for everybodys help |
| 19:50.43 | seldon | sure, you're welcome. |
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| 19:51.24 | jetx | hey i want to suck in a website (import). the entire thing. would/could i use wget, and if so what might a sample command line look like? |
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| 19:51.37 | c01100011 | how do i setup my xf86config to run dual monitors (clone) at different resolutions ? |
| 19:51.40 | wonkwonk | I use lynx -dump |
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| 19:51.54 | guylhem1 | hello |
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| 19:52.31 | guylhem1 | is there an intermezzo package for sarge ? |
| 19:52.33 | seldon | jetx: does wget -m what you want? |
| 19:52.36 | tarzeau | YAY |
| 19:52.39 | jetx | c01100011: that's a neat question. |
| 19:52.45 | tarzeau | i've got a working monitor on my HP PA-RISC! |
| 19:52.58 | streuner | jetx: J E T S C R E A M E R ! |
| 19:52.59 | c01100011 | jetx : ive heard of xinerma |
| 19:53.14 | jetx | seldon: not sure, but i'll give it a go. thankee. |
| 19:53.25 | jetx | :::streuner::: |
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| 19:53.32 | streuner | :-) |
| 19:54.00 | jetx | c01100011: nvidia may have a different answer than ati |
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| 19:55.02 | c01100011 | hmm right now i have clone working but they are running at the same resolution 1280x1024, the second "montor" is a tv running off svideo, |
| 19:56.06 | c01100011 | and when i have the svideo out turned on , gnome resolution changer doesn't let me make the resolution anything except the 1280 |
| 19:56.27 | Althaser | when i do startx, it give me this xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority why ? |
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| 19:56.53 | cahoot | Althaser: check who owns the file |
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| 19:57.22 | Althaser | cahoot the user |
| 19:57.33 | Zibar | no sound in kde after sarge netinstall = recompile kernel ? |
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| 19:57.51 | streuner | Zibar: /msg dpkg sound |
| 19:58.13 | jetx | seldon: seems to be, or a variation of it that will let me use the -nc directive also. (iirc importing an ms fp web gives good dupe) |
| 19:58.16 | Zibar | ah yes - nice chap this dpkg fella :) |
| 19:58.33 | jetx | dpkg is your god |
| 19:58.40 | streuner | Zibar: yeah - i love it too ;-) |
| 19:58.46 | Ahewes | This is probably a common question, but I couldn't find it in the #debian wiki: How can I see what critical bugs remain in the Sarge release? |
| 19:58.47 | Zibar | hehe :) |
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| 19:59.31 | Seanfeld | hi I need to configure USB mass storage support I'm using 2.6.8 kernel image do I need a custom kernel or are the kernel drivers compiled in |
| 19:59.49 | streuner | Seanfeld: the kernel is fine |
| 19:59.55 | fflush_CA | Seanfeld: modprobe usb-storage |
| 20:00.14 | fflush_CA | apt-get install hotplug |
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| 20:00.40 | Ahewes | oh, never mind, I found it. |
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| 20:01.04 | jetx | Ahewes: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:01.13 | jetx | oh nm then :/ |
| 20:01.22 | Ahewes | I'll add it to the wiki. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 20:01.56 | jetx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=tag&data=d-i&archive=no |
| 20:02.01 | Seanfeld | Do I need scsi support as well? Is that usb-storage or usb_storage? |
| 20:02.05 | gsp | anyone know if there is a linux version of Kazaa? |
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| 20:02.29 | jetx | gsp: think so. did you google? |
| 20:02.50 | gsp | on the way there.... |
| 20:02.53 | jetx | Seanfeld: don't think you need scsi, i could be worng |
| 20:03.02 | gsp | just wondering if there was a deb package I could download |
| 20:03.21 | cahoot | Seanfeld: sd_mod (scsi disk) should be pulled in if you modprobe usb-storage |
| 20:03.24 | jetx | gsp: there are many p2p packages, i 'think' i've seen something say kazaa, not sure |
| 20:03.27 | rhe | Hi, got some serious problems installing ivtv-0.3.3c on debian sid (kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386). Running "modprobe ivtv" gives me "FATAL: Module tuner not found." and "FATAL: Module msp3400 not found" and so on. Any ideas? |
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| 20:03.49 | jetx | you need to compile some modules maybe |
| 20:03.54 | jetx | got source? |
| 20:04.11 | streuner | rhe: very odd - msp3400 should be in the kernel |
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| 20:04.40 | c01100011 | seanfeld, not kazza it's self but there are a few p2p apps that run on the Gift and guenitilla file sharing systems |
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| 20:04.50 | c01100011 | appollon is a good kde one |
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| 20:04.58 | rhe | streuner: i followed the howto from http://dipper.info/project/ivtv/ |
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| 20:05.42 | streuner | rhe: custom kernel? |
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| 20:05.55 | Ahewes | you have to make a request of some kind to add to the wiki? |
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| 20:06.17 | rhe | streuner: no i used the debian kernel |
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| 20:06.34 | rhe | streuner: didn´t made any changes on the kernel |
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| 20:07.12 | jetx | according to those docs you need to d/l the module source and compile |
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| 20:07.27 | streuner | rhe: "rm /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko" |
| 20:07.44 | streuner | rhe: read the HOWTO again |
| 20:08.01 | rhe | streuner: ok thanks a lot |
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| 20:08.20 | streuner | rhe: we have no idea about, you should just read that another time |
| 20:08.45 | rhe | streuner: which howto do you recommend ? |
| 20:09.00 | streuner | rhe: the same URL you posted |
| 20:09.13 | rhe | streuner: ok .. |
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| 20:10.12 | tarzeau | dpkg unix |
| 20:10.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
| 20:10.17 | tarzeau | dpkg unix ist als http://members.cox.net/pfiore7/nerd.jpg |
| 20:10.27 | tarzeau | is also , oh well |
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| 20:11.51 | c01100011 | how do i setup my xf86config to run dual monitors (clone) at different resolutions on a nividia card? , ive heard about using xinerma for this sort of thing |
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| 20:14.05 | Vyrus001 | can sombody help me with mips-as syntax ??? i keep getting syntax errors |
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| 20:14.22 | setuid_w00t | Are there any Mozilla Sunbird .debs available? I don't see anything in unstable, but maybe a third party .deb |
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| 20:15.14 | c01100011 | setuid_woot: none that i know of. just download it right from mozilla and extract it into a directory |
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| 20:16.25 | Seanfeld | hey with usb-storage, after installing hotplug, light on the drive is on ... how do i figure out which scsi device to create the mount point for? |
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| 20:17.05 | slushpupie | Seanfeld: check dmesg |
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| 20:18.14 | doleyb | c01100011: have you played around with nvtv? |
| 20:18.16 | beowu1f | anyone here connected to a wireless AP but cannot get there dhcpcd to start but yet can still connect to the net? |
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| 20:21.26 | who0o | how do I set the sources apt use when retrieving a package? |
| 20:21.44 | dondelelcaro | who0o: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:22.00 | d03boy | you can also run the apt config tool I think |
| 20:22.06 | who0o | dondelelcaro: isn't there a way to do this with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:22.15 | dondelelcaro | who0o: no, but you can do it using apt-setup. |
| 20:22.29 | b33r | dondelelcaro can you give me some linkage to your perl sript for monitoring apple laptops please |
| 20:22.37 | b33r | battery life* |
| 20:22.48 | who0o | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:22.54 | dondelelcaro | oh... let me get viewcvs back up and working |
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| 20:24.34 | dambodog_ | can anyone recommend a good dedicated hosting provider (i need about 200gigs of hard drive and about 1000gigs of bandwidth) |
| 20:24.36 | dambodog_ | ? |
| 20:25.02 | sussudio | dambodog_: no. bye. |
| 20:25.03 | b33r | hmmmm |
| 20:25.18 | dambodog_ | sussudio, bye, it was nice seeing you. have a nice day |
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| 20:27.04 | streuner | dambodog: it should be running debian in any case, right? |
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| 20:27.21 | slummer | *********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** |
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| 20:27.29 | crashbg | OK, let's say i have PC1 with good GF5 video card and PC2 with bad video... how can i make thath PC2 uses the rendering power of PC1 over the 100mb network? I know there is something common with glx routing from PC2 to PC1 and back to PC2 but how? |
| 20:27.44 | slummer | damn, sorry. |
| 20:28.17 | randyg | I think I'm going to have to give up on acpi... too many random IRQ-related problems that seem to go away with pci=noacpi... |
| 20:28.55 | Zibar | hmmz - my sound system doesnt show up with lspci -v .... windows tells med its a Realtek Advanced sound system (onboard), any clue which driver to use ? |
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| 20:29.28 | crashbg | Zibar, run alsaconf |
| 20:29.34 | Zibar | ok |
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| 20:30.04 | luulis | crashbg: i dont think you can do that |
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| 20:30.29 | crashbg | someone told me he did it |
| 20:31.06 | streuner | those 2.6.x kernels have ALSA by default... |
| 20:31.22 | tarzeau | how can i tell palo how to boot linux? |
| 20:31.36 | dondelelcaro | b33r: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/da_perl/scripts/powerbook_util/pb?rev=1.3&root=Don+CVS&view=auto |
| 20:31.36 | prodope | any way i can see someones command line history when they're using screen? |
| 20:31.56 | Zibar | dang - alsaconf couldnt find a supported pnp or pci sound card .... |
| 20:32.08 | Zibar | i miss me old comp :) |
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| 20:32.27 | peterS | prodope: ~/.bash_history or equivalent for other shells |
| 20:32.35 | streuner | Zibar: do you have an free slot (PCI)? |
| 20:32.39 | peterS | prodope: or just 'su username -c "screen -x"' and follow along |
| 20:32.42 | Zibar | sure |
| 20:32.52 | streuner | Zibar: get a emu10k1 |
| 20:32.56 | prodope | peterS: ahh, cool |
| 20:32.56 | peterS | wait, screen may not work with 'su', I can't recall offhand |
| 20:33.11 | Zibar | thats a sound card ? :) |
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| 20:33.47 | streuner | Zibar: of course, SB live, or you just use 'Usenet' (groups.google.com) if somebody have any idea about |
| 20:33.48 | peterS | Zibar: emu10k1 is a Soundblaster Live! series card |
| 20:33.58 | Zibar | oh, sry |
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| 20:34.28 | Zibar | well yeah, they aint very expensive |
| 20:34.44 | streuner | about 10 buck second hand |
| 20:34.49 | streuner | bucks* |
| 20:35.29 | Zibar | but i kinda like my onboard system - got surround built in and all ..... if i coould just get me grubby hands on a driver :) .... i think ill try searching for it on usenets as you suggest before throwing in the towel on this one |
| 20:35.34 | crashbg | Zibar, 1st google for the motherboard sound shipset |
| 20:35.41 | Zibar | y |
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| 20:35.57 | crashbg | then in google search for linux kernel <mainboard-sound> |
| 20:36.07 | Zibar | thx |
| 20:36.10 | crashbg | to find which module you should modprobe |
| 20:36.16 | crashbg | then run alsaconf |
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| 20:36.47 | crashbg | replace <mainboard-sound> with the sound chipset :) |
| 20:36.48 | peterS | Zibar: very odd that 'lspci' would not list it |
| 20:36.50 | DebianMasta | hey how can i disable an account only to ssh access quickly and easily, i changed the accounts shell to /bin/false but that disables ftp and mail for that account also, i just want to disable ssh |
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| 20:36.59 | Zibar | thanks |
| 20:36.59 | peterS | Zibar: unless your motherboard is several years old, in which case it might have been ISA PnP |
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| 20:37.07 | Zibar | my system is brand new |
| 20:37.15 | Zibar | thats my problem |
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| 20:37.23 | Zibar | having hard time finding all the drivers |
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| 20:37.31 | prodope | peterS: i'm trying to do the screen -x thing, but i get this error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/10' - please check. |
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| 20:37.38 | DebianMasta | account=/etc/passwd |
| 20:37.45 | DebianMasta | accounts=/etc/passwd |
| 20:37.47 | DebianMasta | * |
| 20:37.59 | peterS | prodope: yeah, screen and su don't always get along, because of having to open the terminal device, which is owned by your logged-in user |
| 20:38.05 | Zibar | cant recognize anything in the output from lspci as a sound thingie .... :S |
| 20:38.24 | Zibar | well, google it is - best let it slide until tomorrow though, getting kinda late |
| 20:38.27 | prodope | peterS: any other way i can screen -x the user? |
| 20:38.29 | Zibar | nn all |
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| 20:38.43 | crashbg | lspci -vv | grep audio |
| 20:38.49 | Zibar | oooh |
| 20:38.52 | Zibar | gotta try that one |
| 20:38.54 | Zibar | ;) |
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| 20:39.23 | peterS | prodope: well, change permissions on /dev/pts/0 to allow screen -x to open it. you can change them back after you've started screen |
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| 20:40.00 | Zibar | almost forgot there was a thing called grep - well no results on that one either .... thx anyways |
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| 20:40.28 | prodope | peterS: any idea what permissions it would need? |
| 20:40.34 | peterS | prodope: read and write |
| 20:40.43 | prodope | peterS: thanks |
| 20:40.44 | crashbg | Zibar, i think your kernel does not load all the pci stuff |
| 20:40.53 | Zibar | still here |
| 20:40.58 | crashbg | so try searching for the exact module and load it |
| 20:41.15 | Zibar | but how do i id which module i need |
| 20:41.22 | Zibar | google ? |
| 20:41.27 | crashbg | with the mainboard model and google :) |
| 20:41.32 | Zibar | ok |
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| 20:41.59 | Zibar | first thing tomorrow :) ( even though ill prolly spend half the night worrying about that sound system ) :D |
| 20:42.05 | ecfx | Can the debian/sarge installer format onto an external usb hdd? |
| 20:42.22 | ecfx | And after the format/base install...I can boot from the usb hdd? |
| 20:42.56 | pingouin | i've by mistake :/ destroy my second DVD device, i'am trying to MAKEDEV /dev/hdd but : don't know how to make device "/dev/hdd" , any clue ? |
| 20:43.10 | crashbg | can your mainboard boot from usb device? |
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| 20:43.41 | bourne_again | Just to make sure, cuz some distros are different, is Debian Disk 1 of 7 bootable or do I need a seperate boot disk. |
| 20:43.42 | bourne_again | ? |
| 20:44.09 | pingouin | just grab the CD1 |
| 20:44.11 | PerfDave | bourne_again: It's bootable. |
| 20:44.13 | pingouin | you can boot on it |
| 20:44.20 | crashbg | pingouin, mknod /dev/hdd b 22 64 |
| 20:44.22 | PerfDave | bourne_again: Read the Installation Manual? |
| 20:44.29 | bourne_again | pingouin: i already DLd and burned all 7 discs |
| 20:44.31 | DebianMasta | hey how can i disable an account only to ssh access quickly and easily, i changed the accounts shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd , but that disables ftp and mail for that account also, i just want to disable ssh |
| 20:44.34 | crashbg | i'm not sure it will work :) but devices are made with mknod |
| 20:44.40 | bourne_again | PerfDave: I only read the overview |
| 20:44.52 | DebianMasta | disable only ssh even |
| 20:44.57 | PerfDave | bourne_again: If you read the manual, it will tell you what you need to know. |
| 20:45.00 | bourne_again | ok |
| 20:45.02 | bourne_again | cool |
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| 20:45.07 | pingouin | crashbg: ok, i think i understand thx |
| 20:45.46 | crashbg | pingouin, ups i mean mknod /dev/hdb b 3 64 |
| 20:46.04 | crashbg | you wanted hdb (primary master) |
| 20:46.09 | crashbg | you wanted hdb (primary slave) :) |
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| 20:46.45 | crashbg | oh shit /\ |
| 20:46.49 | ecfx | crackhead, yes |
| 20:46.52 | ecfx | it can. |
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| 20:46.56 | beowu1f | anyone here connected to a wireless AP but cannot get there dhcpcd to start but yet can still connect to the net? |
| 20:46.58 | ecfx | I can put debian on a usb thumb drive right? |
| 20:47.03 | ecfx | sarge |
| 20:47.05 | ecfx | or a usb hdd |
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| 20:47.48 | PerfDave | ecfx: Read the Installation Manual |
| 20:47.50 | pingouin | crashbg: i was looking in the man, for the explain of b 3 64...can't find...other place to have explain of those options ? |
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| 20:48.27 | PerfDave | pingouin: b is for block device, IIRC |
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| 20:48.51 | pingouin | ok |
| 20:49.04 | crashbg | google pingouin :) |
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| 20:49.11 | zorton | b is block vs. c for character |
| 20:49.29 | zorton | 3 is the major or minor number and 64 is the major or minor number |
| 20:49.35 | zorton | can't remeber which is which |
| 20:49.50 | pingouin | ok, thx zorton |
| 20:50.11 | crashbg | zorton, how can i find the right numbers for my devices? |
| 20:50.29 | pingouin | i was not wonder this one ;) |
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| 20:50.49 | pingouin | i hate google |
| 20:50.53 | pingouin | google is not free |
| 20:50.53 | zorton | I think the right numbers are oftne listed in the start of the source for the driver |
| 20:51.08 | zorton | I would check the Kernel HOWTO is it's still around and updated |
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| 20:51.27 | zorton | also check the ./Documentation directory for further information regarding the paticular driver your trying to use |
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| 20:53.47 | crashbg | zorton, is it of any hekp to boot with knoppix to see the minor and major numbers? |
| 20:53.53 | ep | How can I eject CD? device is busy -- root is using some 'famd' process. What's this ? |
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| 20:54.22 | crashbg | ep, su to root |
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| 20:54.38 | zorton | I suppose so, it would be dependent on the paticular driver and kernel version to a certain extent |
| 20:54.45 | zorton | but I doubt the major and minor numbers would change |
| 20:54.47 | pingouin | famd is an deamon apps to check the change on file i guess |
| 20:54.55 | raf256 | wtf is my debian looking up domain name with each request?? |
| 20:54.58 | ep | Ok to kill it? |
| 20:54.58 | zorton | I seem to recall there was a file somewhere that listed all the major and minor numbers and such |
| 20:55.10 | suifur | Is anyone using/has used Debian with a D-Link DP-300U print server? I'm having some trouble getting it setup properly |
| 20:55.11 | pingouin | why do you run it ? |
| 20:55.16 | raf256 | instead of cache domains, like google.com -> 1.2.3.4 - its not like it will change each 5 seconds |
| 20:55.25 | pingouin | ep: why do you run famd is you dont know what it does ? |
| 20:55.47 | zorton | fam is required for stuff like gnome's file manager and such |
| 20:55.57 | mwelsh | does anyone here know of any apps that can generate a pure frequency tone? |
| 20:55.59 | pingouin | ep: try /etc/init.d/f«TAB» to stop it maybe |
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| 20:56.04 | ep | i didn't run it. doing stuff in kde |
| 20:56.06 | kenboo | oops |
| 20:56.10 | Delph | raf256: google is probably not the best example. |
| 20:56.24 | ecfx | PerfDave ecfx: Read the Installation Manual |
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| 20:56.41 | ecfx | PerfDave, When I installed sarge on an eide drive..it was simple as hell..Just pop in a disc and answer some questions... |
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| 20:56.46 | ep | as a normal user |
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| 20:56.52 | ecfx | Is it the same concept with installing sarge on a usb thumb drive or usb hdd? |
| 20:56.57 | ecfx | Or it it much harder then that? |
| 20:57.10 | Delph | raf256: as they'll most likely be doing crazy dns so that they don't fall over if a server dies. |
| 20:57.15 | ecfx | Because there are like 200 pages in instructions...even for like x86/eide |
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| 20:57.31 | zorton | nwelsh: a couple of them, gstreamer has some ways of doing that, also look at jack's homepage at http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:57.35 | PerfDave | ecfx: So read the bits that are relevant to you. |
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| 20:59.27 | zorton | nwelsh: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-editor.html |
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| 21:00.51 | Althaser | how can i have /home/user/.Xauthority ? plz |
| 21:01.09 | mwelsh | thanks |
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| 21:03.27 | smazzvibe | hi, I've moved my /usr directory an ata disk drive ext3 formatted using tar |
| 21:03.57 | smazzvibe | now If I try to run sudo it complains about not being setuid root |
| 21:04.18 | smazzvibe | gnome & kde applications runs fine |
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| 21:04.40 | smazzvibe | I don't have any clue about that issue |
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| 21:05.33 | kenboo | smazzvibe, how did you "move" /usr ? |
| 21:05.49 | kenboo | uh using tar |
| 21:05.49 | kenboo | ok |
| 21:06.18 | smazzvibe | yes... The first time I did it by doing a cp -R |
| 21:06.39 | smazzvibe | but kde applications complained about the impossibility to talk with klauncher |
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| 21:07.12 | smazzvibe | my box is running a woody release upgrade to testing |
| 21:07.14 | DebianMasta | hey how can i disable an account only to ssh access quickly and easily, i changed the accounts shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd , but that disables ftp and mail for that account also, i just want to disable ssh for the account |
| 21:07.57 | tzafrir | DebianMasta, /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
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| 21:08.43 | DebianMasta | tzafrir: yes? |
| 21:08.50 | smazzvibe | perhaps I did move the /usr directory the wrong way.... How would you do it? |
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| 21:09.13 | mwelsh | zorton: do you know the package name for gstreamer editor? |
| 21:09.23 | matsuo | Hey |
| 21:09.25 | tzafrir | DebianMasta, this will only be effective if the user doesn't use public key authentication, of course |
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| 21:09.31 | ecfx | What is the code name for debian 1.3? |
| 21:09.44 | mwelsh | you mean 3.1? |
| 21:09.49 | ecfx | no |
| 21:09.50 | ecfx | 1.3 |
| 21:09.53 | ecfx | 3.1 is sarge |
| 21:09.56 | ecfx | 3.0 is woody |
| 21:10.08 | matsuo | I though 4.0 was sarge |
| 21:10.11 | ecfx | 1.3 is? |
| 21:10.15 | tzafrir | ham? |
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| 21:10.18 | smazzvibe | isn't it listed on debian.org? |
| 21:10.22 | Zta | Anyone here who's got the joydev module work with x64? I've got the hardware, I've loaded joydev (modprobe joydev db9=0,1), but when x64 starts, it doesn't find any joystick: Joystick: Warning - Cannot open joystick device `/dev/input/js0'. |
| 21:10.24 | ecfx | I couldn't find it. |
| 21:10.27 | tzafrir | Now probably someone will correct me |
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| 21:10.32 | ecfx | Debian Linux 1.3 , 2.0 , 2.1 , 2.2 , 3.0 , 3.1 |
| 21:10.37 | ecfx | Those are all debian versions |
| 21:10.38 | ecfx | I think |
| 21:10.44 | matsuo | I could be wrong, but I thought 2.0=potato, 3.0=woody and 4.0=sarge.. |
| 21:10.54 | tzafrir | potato: 2.2 |
| 21:11.00 | ecfx | lol |
| 21:11.02 | tzafrir | woody: 3.0 |
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| 21:11.08 | matsuo | I ment 2.x, 3.x, 4.x |
| 21:11.09 | ecfx | Should just be able to message dpkg with each version number |
| 21:11.13 | ecfx | and spit back a story |
| 21:11.17 | idnar | 2.0 was hamm, 2.1 was slink |
| 21:11.27 | ecfx | I know |
| 21:11.29 | ecfx | What was 1.3 |
| 21:11.30 | matsuo | What's the official number of sid then? |
| 21:11.30 | ecfx | lol |
| 21:11.34 | Quag7 | What is the command to generate an appropriate public key for a system's authorized_hosts file? On Gentoo ssh-keygen -t rsa does it, but when I do that in Debian it gives me a multiline keyblock, which isn't much use. |
| 21:11.48 | tzafrir | DebianMasta, are you familiar with pam configuration? |
| 21:11.51 | ecfx | !sarge |
| 21:11.52 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 21:11.54 | mwelsh | does anyone know the package name for gstreamer and gst-editor? |
| 21:12.01 | zorton | mwelsh: good way to find the gstreamer packages is 'apt-cache search gstreamer' |
| 21:12.03 | ecfx | !woody |
| 21:12.03 | dpkg | well, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 21:12.14 | paulswm | matsuo: sid is *always unstable, never is going to be released |
| 21:12.19 | idnar | matsuo: sid does not release |
| 21:12.20 | zorton | mwelsh: or look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 21:12.25 | GrayThunder | is it possible to install using a 2.6.7 kernel then install a 2.4 kernel after the initial install? |
| 21:12.30 | smazzvibe | Quag7, it works for me |
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| 21:12.31 | mwelsh | thanks |
| 21:12.33 | toresbe | What's a good SVG drawing tool? |
| 21:12.34 | sussudio | !tell G2 about away |
| 21:12.34 | idnar | ecfx: 1.3 was Bo |
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| 21:12.41 | paulswm | GrayThunder: Yes |
| 21:12.43 | matsuo | Sit gets renamed, but before the rename would sid be considered 3.3? |
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| 21:12.53 | ecfx | !bo |
| 21:12.54 | dpkg | methinks bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 21:12.57 | ecfx | awesome |
| 21:12.59 | ecfx | thanks idnar |
| 21:13.03 | paulswm | matsuo: sid does not get renamed |
| 21:13.16 | GrayThunder | paulswm: using apt-get kernel-image? |
| 21:13.18 | toresbe | matsuo: Sid stays at sid. |
| 21:13.20 | llahm | I was investigating threads and pthread_t is defined as unsigned long int. What does this number mean to the scheduler? Is it like a kernel process ID? |
| 21:13.22 | simonrvn | matsuo: no. never. it's never going to be released |
| 21:13.23 | paulswm | GrayThunder: yes |
| 21:13.23 | ecfx | yea, sid is always sid |
| 21:13.25 | ecfx | no matter what |
| 21:13.28 | matsuo | sid eventually trickled down into sarge, correct? |
| 21:13.37 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:13.41 | toresbe | matsuo: the Testing distros become stable, and a new Testing branch gets a new name. |
| 21:13.44 | cureless | matsuo: no |
| 21:13.44 | simonrvn | the packages are |
| 21:13.56 | idnar | packages propagate from sid into testing according to certain rules |
| 21:14.00 | tzafrir | matsuo, sid's nick is "Still In Development". And always will be. |
| 21:14.01 | asuffield | llahm: probably nothing, it's most likely a pointer of some kind |
| 21:14.03 | paulswm | mathieu_: NO, packages go from unstable to testing, but not the whole distro. SID IS NEVR TO BE RELEASED |
| 21:14.08 | toresbe | Sid and Scud, unstable and experimental, are Sid and Scud, period. |
| 21:14.15 | asuffield | I can't remember what is actually stored in there |
| 21:14.17 | toresbe | It's a developers playground. |
| 21:14.20 | llahm | asuffield: ah so the fact that it's defined as int is just a typical C red herring? |
| 21:14.21 | idnar | since when is experimental called scud? |
| 21:14.25 | paulswm | How many times must one explain |
| 21:14.32 | simonrvn | since it was just made up |
| 21:14.36 | toresbe | idnar: Scud is Sid's dog, the only thing better at breaking toys :) |
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| 21:14.46 | asuffield | llahm: it's historical. should probably be void * |
| 21:14.50 | toresbe | better than sid |
| 21:14.58 | llahm | asuffield: ah |
| 21:15.01 | simonrvn | @better |
| 21:15.05 | toresbe | idnar: I have it from a debian developer |
| 21:15.06 | ravenbird | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 21:15.15 | paulswm | It's also a pretty unreliable and inaccurate former Iraqi missile |
| 21:15.19 | idnar | toresbe: well yes, I know the significance of scud, I just wasn't aware that the name had been attached to experimental :P |
| 21:15.20 | matsuo | Does anyone here have a suggestion for getting PCMCIA on a Toshiba Satellite A65 working properly? |
| 21:15.21 | llahm | asuffield: where could i go to find out more about how it's implemented |
| 21:15.26 | asuffield | the source |
| 21:15.31 | llahm | asuffield: lol |
| 21:15.33 | toresbe | simonrvn: I was fixing a sentence miswrite |
| 21:15.35 | Quag7 | argh, my own big stupid. |
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| 21:15.48 | llahm | asuffield: true enough |
| 21:16.00 | llahm | asuffield: but would it be libc or the kernel |
| 21:16.06 | asuffield | both |
| 21:16.10 | idnar | toresbe: you weren't fixing a sentence miswrite the first time you used "better" ;) |
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| 21:16.20 | llahm | asuffield: alright i'll go on a grep spree after work |
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| 21:16.27 | toresbe | idnar: It's better at breaking toys. |
| 21:16.36 | smazzvibe | ci sono italiani qui? |
| 21:16.39 | idnar | toresbe: that's a matter of personal taste! |
| 21:16.40 | toresbe | !italian |
| 21:16.40 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:16.42 | matsuo | Is there a way to tell a sid system to start reading sarge packages without it getting confused by previously installed sid packages? |
| 21:16.42 | Gnurdux | linux isnt seeing my usb printer, it doesnt even load the usb printer module automatically |
| 21:16.49 | toresbe | smazzvibe: :) |
| 21:16.56 | simonrvn | wtf would you want to do that? |
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| 21:17.25 | smazzvibe | grazie toresbe |
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| 21:17.39 | toresbe | smazzvibe: no problem |
| 21:17.42 | matsuo | I was installing a copy of Kanotix for some drivers and configurations automaticly, but Kanotix is based off Sid and I'd perfer to go back to the sarge drivers |
| 21:18.12 | matsuo | Or rather, go to the sarge packages, however I know that some of the packages on the system don't have sarge copies. |
| 21:18.33 | G2 | sussudio: sorry |
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| 21:18.34 | Gnurdux | unless hp printers dont use usblp |
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| 21:18.55 | Eclipser | umm |
| 21:18.57 | Eclipser | funny |
| 21:19.27 | Eclipser | dist-upgrade just installed libusb which said that my kernel doesn't have USB support... I wonder how my mouse works... |
| 21:19.27 | simonrvn | not getting anyone else food, go get it yourselves ;p |
| 21:19.28 | Gnurdux | plz i need help :( |
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| 21:19.49 | Gnurdux | Eclipser: you must have kernel 2.4 |
| 21:20.07 | clemente | Where can I find help about a network interface Marvell 88E8036? |
| 21:20.17 | Gnurdux | ah the jobs are pending |
| 21:20.28 | clemente | yes |
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| 21:20.47 | Gnurdux | but they arent SENDING |
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| 21:21.29 | peterS | clemente: I think that's a syskonnect compatible |
| 21:21.32 | peterS | clemente: driver 'sk98lin' |
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| 21:22.48 | clemente | I try with that driver, but it doesn't work, then I downloaded the kernel-2.6.11-7 with the patches but |
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| 21:22.55 | toresbe | okay, everyone panic - I can't find my left slipper |
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| 21:23.10 | clemente | it give me an i8042 error |
| 21:23.17 | toresbe | no, no, calm down, no panic, I found it, it was in my bed |
| 21:23.24 | Eclipser | Gnurdux, libusb needs 2.4 or are you suggesting that I'm using 2.4?-p |
| 21:23.25 | CyL | My mouse wheel isn scrolling.. what could that be? |
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| 21:23.37 | CyL | s/isn/isn't |
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| 21:23.47 | Gnurdux | im suggesting you using it |
| 21:23.53 | Gnurdux | i think it needs sysfs |
| 21:23.55 | peterS | clemente: well, I didn't check when that chip was added to the sk98lin driver. might require kernel 2.6 indeed |
| 21:23.57 | Gnurdux | im not usre |
| 21:23.57 | Eclipser | well you're wrong :< |
| 21:24.01 | Oryn | CyL: you need your mouse driver to be imps2 |
| 21:24.14 | toresbe | CyL: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 - is the mouse driver there specified as PS/2 or ImPS/2? |
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| 21:24.18 | aldug | is there an easy way to get mysql 4.1 packages for debian stable? |
| 21:24.37 | CyL | toresbe<=- You mean the protocol? |
| 21:24.44 | toresbe | CyL: that's it |
| 21:24.51 | aldug | anyone? |
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| 21:24.58 | toresbe | !backports |
| 21:24.58 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:25.09 | toresbe | aldug: ^^ |
| 21:25.10 | CyL | toresbe<=- It is ExplorerPS/2 |
| 21:25.32 | toresbe | CyL: yeah, all scrolwheel mice go under "ImPS/2", iirc. |
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| 21:26.11 | CyL | toresbe<=- it also has aditional buttons, this portocol supports them? |
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| 21:26.20 | CyL | s/portocol/protocol |
| 21:26.27 | axelxxx | hello |
| 21:26.33 | clemente | some had installed debian on a Toshiba Tecra A4, and had configured the Network adapter (Marvell Fast Ethernet 88E8036)? |
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| 21:26.46 | clemente | someone |
| 21:27.03 | Gnurdux | i need to get my usb printer working |
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| 21:27.18 | axelxxx | has anyone tried to use Wine with debian? |
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| 21:27.45 | clemente | i have |
| 21:27.47 | cj_ | Hi all. I'm having tremendous problems installing from the sarge iso here, anyone available to guide me some? |
| 21:27.52 | jair_11 | guys I have a laptop IBM R51 brand new, running sarge RC3 installed using the "expert26" mode |
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| 21:28.01 | saskwach | Does anyone know why most of the stuff in X on my laptop is white when it's supposed to be black? I'm using a trident graphics chipset. |
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| 21:28.11 | jair_11 | and each time I try to shut down the system the computer remain on |
| 21:28.19 | jair_11 | it do not turn off completely |
| 21:28.24 | Gnurdux | yeh just turn it off |
| 21:28.32 | Gnurdux | or compile a kernel with acpi support |
| 21:28.34 | axelxxx | do apps work with sockets? |
| 21:28.36 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 21:28.44 | Gnurdux | i need help :) |
| 21:28.52 | cj_ | The installer (after the netinst disc failed to recognize my pcmcia card) just claims it's not a valid debian disc with any packages... but I'm /pretty/ sure it ought to be. |
| 21:29.11 | zorton | has anyone done a downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 21:29.12 | toresbe | cj_: strange. |
| 21:29.21 | cj_ | toresbe: Indeed. I |
| 21:29.26 | jcb | i have a couple of neighbours that each have their own ip network and wifi access point. i could buy a wifi netcard for each access point, but i would rather have one device that can communicate with them all. can someone recommend such a product that also have a great range? |
| 21:29.26 | cj_ | ... sorry about that. |
| 21:29.36 | jair_11 | Gnurdux, yes that is what I heard about. how can I make the kernel 2.6 enable acpi? |
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| 21:29.52 | Gnurdux | you might be able to install acpi modules |
| 21:29.53 | zorton | jcb: check out seattlewireless's pages |
| 21:29.58 | Gnurdux | apt-cache seacrh acpi |
| 21:30.03 | zorton | jcb: they have a good listing of wifi card comparisons |
| 21:30.06 | toresbe | !svhg |
| 21:30.07 | toresbe | !svh |
| 21:30.08 | cj_ | toresbe: Indeed, I'm thinking it /might/ be related to the probing of the pcmcia which I've heard of with this dell latitude... but still odd. |
| 21:30.11 | jair_11 | Gnurdux, cool I will |
| 21:30.12 | toresbe | argh |
| 21:30.13 | toresbe | !smite me |
| 21:30.14 | takatumi | Gnurdux: it's built-in for 2.6 |
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| 21:30.16 | toresbe | !svg |
| 21:30.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, svg is Scalable Vector Graphics, an up and comming vector graphics format backed by many graphics companies. More info available at http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/ |
| 21:30.18 | saskwach | jcb: my cisco aironet card has 2 antenna connections and you can hook up whatever antenna you want to them |
| 21:30.19 | Gnurdux | is it? |
| 21:30.36 | jair_11 | then after I installed what I suppouse to do? some command like "acpi config"? |
| 21:30.37 | toresbe | !svg is ~=s/comming/coming |
| 21:30.37 | dpkg | ...but svg is already something else... |
| 21:30.50 | toresbe | how do you apply regexps to bots again..? |
| 21:30.58 | cj_ | toresbe: It's not that the installer gives much feedback, just "no, I don't like this disc", is there any good way for me to force-feed it the sarge packages or something? |
| 21:31.00 | jcb | saskwach: can u also be connected to several access points at the same time? |
| 21:31.03 | clemente | Anyone had a notebook toshiba tecra a4 with debian sarge? |
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| 21:31.16 | toresbe | cj_: *apologetic shrug* |
| 21:31.20 | saskwach | jcb: I'm not sure but I don't see why not. There's probably documentation on it somewhere. |
| 21:31.35 | jcb | zorton: thanks, ill check it out |
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| 21:31.46 | jcb | saskwach: ok |
| 21:31.53 | smazzvibe | exit |
| 21:32.05 | cj_ | But... do these actually work for people? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
| 21:32.10 | takatumi | jair_11: check dmesg for acpi errors. |
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| 21:33.01 | CyL | ImPS/2 as the protocol set in XF84Config-4 just didn't the mouse wheel work... another suggestion? |
| 21:33.02 | cj_ | (the image should also really include killall and rmmod, otherwise there is no pretty way to /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart) |
| 21:33.08 | jair_11 | takatumi, I shuld do it before install the modules? |
| 21:33.17 | CyL | ImPS/2 as the protocol set in XF84Config-4 just didn't do the mouse wheel work... another suggestion? |
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| 21:33.26 | saskwach | CyL: you have to put in the zaxismapping |
| 21:33.29 | toresbe | Is it possible to bind a keyboard shortcut to the mouse paste? |
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| 21:33.46 | CyL | saskwach<=- how do I do that? |
| 21:33.49 | Oryn | CyL: add this option |
| 21:33.50 | drac | CyL: Yes. Add this to your mouse section: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 21:33.52 | Oryn | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 21:33.59 | drac | Oryn, you're slow. |
| 21:34.00 | drac | ;) |
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| 21:34.19 | Oryn | drac: had to look the file up :P |
| 21:34.21 | axelxxx | hello. i try to use wine with Debian. It says x11drv:cannot open display, what can i do? |
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| 21:34.28 | saskwach | CyL: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 21:34.30 | takatumi | jair_11: if it's a debian kernel-image-2.6.x, you don't need to install any third party acpi modules. |
| 21:34.38 | Gnurdux | hey i need help :( |
| 21:34.46 | CyL | thanks Oryn drac saskwach |
| 21:34.54 | takatumi | jair_11: search for yourself. |
| 21:34.57 | jair_11 | takatumi, ohh then I should have them installed |
| 21:34.59 | deadcat | how do i know i am using acpi? /proc/acpi exist? |
| 21:35.07 | CyL | is there a way to enable the 5th and 5th buttons in my mouse? |
| 21:35.12 | jair_11 | takatumi, I should look running the command dmes? |
| 21:35.18 | CyL | sorry, 4th and 5th |
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| 21:35.54 | alcorrr | anyone versed in exim4? |
| 21:36.14 | italianFlex | Hi , How can I have 1280x1024 resolution on my console ? |
| 21:36.17 | Gnurdux | help plz i really need it |
| 21:36.23 | deadcat | italianFlex: vga=791 |
| 21:36.27 | alcorrr | i'm trying to set it up to relay mail that's coming from php through smtp |
| 21:36.31 | sussudio | Gnurdux: nein! |
| 21:36.35 | deadcat | italianFlex: oh no. higer number |
| 21:36.43 | italianFlex | deadcat: vga=795 |
| 21:37.01 | deadcat | italianFlex: ya |
| 21:37.10 | italianFlex | deadcat: but it isn't enought .... I tried it |
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| 21:37.17 | deadcat | 794 then |
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| 21:37.38 | italianFlex | deadcat: when I boot I have a blank screen and after my console is 640x480 :-( |
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| 21:38.09 | deadcat | italianFlex: your mon dont support? card dont support? |
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| 21:38.35 | italianFlex | deadcat: I have a Matrox G550 with DVI LCD monitor |
| 21:38.42 | deadcat | ah |
| 21:38.46 | cj_ | Anyone have any idea why the sarge iso wouldn't be recognized as a proper debian disc? |
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| 21:38.56 | italianFlex | deadcat: under Xfree I can use 1280x1024 |
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| 21:39.32 | deadcat | no clue. |
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| 21:39.38 | shadow98 | can someone help me a little with nfs....on my windows machine i do \\server2 and it prompts me for the password and i enter in all users that are on the machine and it doesn't work.. |
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| 21:39.51 | deadcat | shadow98: isnt that samba? |
| 21:39.59 | takatumi | italianFlex: try 792, not 1280 but should be better than 640x480 |
| 21:40.13 | shadow98 | deadcat: yes |
| 21:40.22 | deadcat | you said nfs |
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| 21:40.47 | shadow98 | i look at loger file and it says write failure error = connection reset by peer |
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| 21:41.28 | shadow98 | well isn't that what im creating a network file system |
| 21:41.32 | italianFlex | takatumi: I tried also 790 , but nothing ... is it possible that I had to set anything in kernel ? |
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| 21:41.42 | shadow98 | samba is what is used to configure it right? |
| 21:41.46 | takatumi | italianFlex: self-compiled? |
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| 21:42.04 | deadcat | shadow98: nfs is network file system. |
| 21:42.14 | italianFlex | takatumi: yes |
| 21:42.37 | takatumi | italianFlex: which version? |
| 21:42.58 | shadow98 | deadcat: so do you configure a nfs different than samba? |
| 21:43.00 | italianFlex | takatumi: 2.6.11.7 now,but I tried also 2.6.9 |
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| 21:43.23 | deadcat | shadow98: they are 2 diff protocol i believe |
| 21:43.23 | jair_11 | takatumi, this is the result of my /proc/scpi caracas:/proc/acpi# ls |
| 21:43.23 | jair_11 | alarm dsdt embedded_controller event fadt info power_resource sleep |
| 21:43.23 | jair_11 | caracas:/proc/acpi# |
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| 21:44.09 | Danar | anyone wager a guess as to why i'd suddenly be unable to play sounds/music? |
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| 21:44.23 | axelxxx | help me to fight the wine |
| 21:44.33 | deadcat | Danar: speaker blewout |
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| 21:44.40 | deadcat | axelxxx: no |
| 21:44.46 | Danar | i listened to a song, then tried another, and now i can't hear anything |
| 21:44.53 | Danar | deadcat: wasn't playing it loud |
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| 21:45.03 | deadcat | try another song |
| 21:45.11 | Danar | deadcat: ^ |
| 21:45.30 | deadcat | try another. the one that was working |
| 21:45.31 | Danar | even tried another player |
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| 21:45.37 | Danar | deadcat: i did that too |
| 21:45.56 | takatumi | italianFlex: try this, http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.11.7 diff it with yours. |
| 21:45.57 | furrywolf | do a ps ax and see what else could be using the audio device |
| 21:45.58 | Danar | also, i checked and mplayer (what i was using) isn't running... |
| 21:46.10 | deadcat | Danar: fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 21:46.13 | shadow98 | deadcat: well what i want to create is a way to jump on my debian machine and pull files off to windows machine... |
| 21:46.16 | Danar | furrywolf: nothing that i can see... |
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| 21:46.21 | nomeata | Hi. I try to get exim4 with exiscan get going with clamd. Debian's default has the user Debian-exim for exim, and clam for clamav. Is it possible that both daemons have to run under the same userid? |
| 21:46.29 | pl0nk | python2.3 backport for woody? |
| 21:46.40 | paulswm | If my sound goes I always first clap my hands to make sure it's not my ears |
| 21:46.41 | Danar | deadcat: ah, that seems to be it. thx |
| 21:46.45 | deadcat | shadow98: then why the hell you want nfs, you want samba. so config samba. smbpasswd -a username |
| 21:46.48 | takatumi | jair_11: does dmesg report anything on acpi? try dmesg |grep -i acpi |
| 21:47.05 | deadcat | paulswm: HAHAHAH |
| 21:47.13 | italianFlex | takatumi: Great idea , now I try to do it ... |
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| 21:47.23 | paulswm | deadcat: XD |
| 21:47.26 | nomeata | nevermind, found it in the README |
| 21:47.27 | Danar | deadcat: for some reason the foxytunes extension in firefox is using it. even though i wasn't playing it through foxytunes... |
| 21:47.49 | furrywolf | danar: firefox sucking is news? :) |
| 21:48.01 | Danar | furrywolf: 'scuse me? |
| 21:48.03 | deadcat | Danar: hehe.. you have a bad card eh? my sblive5.1 can handle multi input at the same time |
| 21:48.12 | Danar | deadcat: er, so can i |
| 21:48.22 | shadow98 | well that worked |
| 21:48.25 | shadow98 | thank a lot |
| 21:48.25 | Danar | i've played two songs at once |
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| 21:48.47 | Danar | furrywolf: for one, yeah that'd be news, for another, it's not firefox it's an extension |
| 21:49.24 | cj_ | Ok, I've got some more info here... my sarge install (from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/) dies due to nonexistent /cdrom/dists//Release (which of course exist in the sarge subdirectory) |
| 21:49.36 | daft | xine is from one moment to the other unable to play some files (xdiv) knows some one what hapend? |
| 21:49.44 | furrywolf | danar: firefox crashes daily, tabextensions has never worked, it eats memory like a pig, and has a 1-second UI lag on my dual p3-866 with 2gb ram, never mention page rendering time... I count that as sucking. :) |
| 21:49.56 | takatumi | italianFlex: do you have this checked in? CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT |
| 21:50.15 | mikeX | is there another filesystem i could use to move files from winxp to linux (via usbdisk) besides FAT? udf maybe? |
| 21:50.19 | cj_ | Any debian-boot people here I can ask to get their act together? |
| 21:50.49 | deadcat | furrywolf: ya. its slow on my 800mhz with 1.5gig as well. so is oo.org though |
| 21:50.51 | cureless | mikeX: why don't you want to use fat? |
| 21:50.59 | Danar | furrywolf: doesn't crash for most people. hasn't crashed for me since 1.0. which tab extension are you talking about? there's a memory leak, and i think they're working on it. page rendering time is configurable |
| 21:51.20 | deadcat | mikeX: no. since windows only knows fat and ntfs |
| 21:51.29 | mikeX | cureless, mainly cause of the 4GB file size restriction. Or is there a way i could work around that? |
| 21:51.35 | christor | Hello I have a problem of write on a disk, I have added in my linux a hard disk sata , and I can t write on it? |
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| 21:51.53 | deadcat | mikeX: install ext3 software or stuff on windows |
| 21:52.08 | furrywolf | crashes often here, in random and interesting ways. last time was every widget, page, etc got opened in a new titleless X window. time before that no dialog boxes would open. often just instantly vanishes. sometimes corrupts all its files for the fun of it. |
| 21:52.23 | cureless | mikeX: hmm, divide the file in chunks? |
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| 21:52.34 | mikeX | deadcat, well if it was gonna be on my win box that would be fine, but i would like something more 'out of the box' |
| 21:52.35 | dondelelcaro | cj_: ? |
| 21:52.37 | Danar | furrywolf: wtf are you doing to cause that? |
| 21:52.47 | deadcat | mikeX: then you're fucked. |
| 21:52.53 | mikeX | deadcat, lol |
| 21:52.57 | takatumi | furrywolf: it's very stable here. |
| 21:52.57 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: "Ok, I've got some more info here... my sarge install (from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/) dies due to nonexistent /cdrom/dists//Release (which of course exist in the sarge subdirectory)" |
| 21:53.03 | furrywolf | deadcat: oo.org, for me at least, is probably 10-20 times faster than firefox. |
| 21:53.12 | mikeX | cureless, do you know of way to do that? |
| 21:53.27 | furrywolf | takatumi: ebay seems to trigger its various bugs more than other sites |
| 21:53.30 | christor | For my problem, I can t write on my disk added with the message : Read-only file system |
| 21:53.31 | caoilte | Hi, this is a part Java question, but i hoped someone could help. I get an UnknownHostException when I do getLocalHost() on some (but not other) debian boxes in a java program. Apparently it's a DNS issue, but I can't work out what's wrong let alone how to fix it. Can anyone offer any advice? |
| 21:53.35 | cureless | mikeX: well, you could use dd, but I think there's another util that does just that... |
| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | cj_: have you filed a bug or checked the BTS yet? Is this using the most recent weekly? |
| 21:53.52 | cureless | mikeX: some of the rar/zip things can also split on request. |
| 21:54.07 | cureless | mikeX: oh yeah, the command is called split |
| 21:54.08 | Danar | furrywolf: have you bothered with any of the speed tweaks? how many extensions do you have? any potentially conflicting extensions? did you ever install more than one at a time? what version of firefox are you using? |
| 21:54.14 | mikeX | cureless, oh ic, cuase i tried dd with little success |
| 21:54.22 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: No, no (bugtracking system?), yes. |
| 21:54.22 | mikeX | cureless, thx a bunch |
| 21:54.33 | deadcat | cureless: how you gonna put it back together on windows? |
| 21:54.42 | cureless | mikeX: how come, dd is the basic system, it should work. |
| 21:54.45 | takatumi | furrywolf: which part of ebay? |
| 21:54.47 | cureless | deadcat: copy file1 + file2 etc... |
| 21:54.56 | deadcat | oh |
| 21:55.02 | mikeX | cureless, i dont' think it was dd's fault, my miscalculation |
| 21:55.10 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: "If you just need an installation that /works/, we recommend you use the rc3 release of the installer"... |
| 21:55.18 | caoilte | if it's any help i've just discovered that "hostname -i" also returns "unknown host" which doesn't make sense for me (ifconfig has the ip address) |
| 21:55.23 | cureless | deadcat: or if you use rar then rar will join them for you. |
| 21:55.30 | dondelelcaro | cj_: yes... that's the one that should actually be working, everything else is a development release. |
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| 21:55.32 | furrywolf | only extension is tabextensions, no others, no plugins. never installed any other extensions or any plugins. versions of firefox and tabextensions are whatever is in debian testing. all bugs except for the tab-related ones (WHY MUST THE TAB LIST BE BROKEN _EVERY SINGLE_ TIME?!) still happen without tab extensions installed. new profiles, fresh install, etc makes no change. |
| 21:55.35 | mikeX | christor, what filesystem do you have on the disk? |
| 21:55.48 | Arnaud | hi everyone |
| 21:55.48 | dondelelcaro | cj_: it's possible that that bug has already been fixed. Check the most recent netinst daily. |
| 21:56.02 | deadcat | cureless: ya. rar would be a nice way to go. dont know how "copy" works |
| 21:56.11 | mikeX | well i dont' mind putting it back together on win, just on linux |
| 21:56.31 | deadcat | mikeX: you have a laptop? |
| 21:56.32 | Danar | furrywolf: TBE is known to be buggy. that's probably the cause. try tabbrowser prefs instead. if you getting it from deb testing that's also a likely cause. the deb package has a mangled extension system. get the official version of 1.0.3 |
| 21:56.33 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: I downloaded the netinst yesterday or so, it had problems with our Netgear FA411, so I downloaded iso-1 today... |
| 21:56.35 | cureless | deadcat: copy like cp copies files. You can copy multiple files to 1 file (concatenating them) with the + |
| 21:56.37 | mikeX | deadcat, nope |
| 21:56.43 | cureless | or do man copy ... I mean, copy /help |
| 21:56.46 | deadcat | cureless: ah... |
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| 21:56.58 | deadcat | cureless: no windows around |
| 21:57.08 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: Seriously, if this occur for many, it's a /huge/ bug? Umm... I'm just trying to track it down here... |
| 21:57.12 | cureless | deadcat: me neither, it's just what I remember from my BBS days. |
| 21:57.26 | deadcat | hehe |
| 21:57.31 | takatumi | furrywolf: I haven't tried any extensions, the earlier versions were unusable, 1.0.1-2 so far has been very stable, haven't seen any errors yet. |
| 21:57.33 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: Also, I'm not usually a debian person, I left it for MacOS X, WinXP and Ubuntu, in about that order. :-) |
| 21:57.40 | furrywolf | I think you can also use type like cat to concatenate files on dos... |
| 21:57.49 | dondelelcaro | cj_: it's possible that something just broke on the weekly iso. However, if you're not seeing the same problem on the daily, then the problem has already been fixed. |
| 21:57.53 | mikeX | too bad win can't read udf, it seemed like a nice idea, didn't need any partitions on the disk either : ( |
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| 21:58.06 | furrywolf | takatumi: dunno. all I know is I've never gotten it to be stable. |
| 21:58.07 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: he's just trolling. |
| 21:58.07 | cj_ | furrywolf: *bursting in* You can use copy /b foo.a+foo.b or something... |
| 21:58.08 | cureless | furrywolf: dos/windows doesn't have "cat" it has "type". |
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| 21:58.14 | dondelelcaro | cj_: far better to figure out what the problem is with your netgear fa411. |
| 21:58.15 | christor | mikeX: ext3 |
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| 21:58.32 | deadcat | hes a gentoo guy |
| 21:58.36 | deadcat | lynch him |
| 21:58.37 | furrywolf | cureless: isn't that what I just said? "you can also use type like cat".... |
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| 21:58.49 | lvdz | hello |
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| 21:59.00 | Danar | on DOS it's: type 'blah' | more |
| 21:59.01 | Arnaud | Hi everyone. I will ask my question in beetween the flood of the other ones, just hoping that someone will answer me : i have to do a dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_3.14.120132.dsc and the shell tell me the file or directory doesn t exist, but i m sure the file is in the good directory. Where could be my mistake ? |
| 21:59.03 | cureless | furrywolf: haha, sorry, misread you. |
| 21:59.15 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: Hmm... are you sure? You saw my message up there.... there's a double '/' before the "Releases", perhaps the check (anna?) just lost the release name ("sarge")?... |
| 21:59.23 | lvdz | my tty1 is blocked after i tried to launch bitchx. How can I recover it ? |
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| 21:59.41 | doleyb | lvdz: maybe Control-Z, "bg" |
| 21:59.51 | lvdz | doleyb ok let me try that |
| 21:59.52 | lanchow | lvdz: maybe reset |
| 21:59.53 | mikeX | christor, what's the output of 'mount', does it say it's mounted ro? |
| 21:59.59 | deadcat | lvdz: block? kill it |
| 22:00.06 | lvdz | nice it worked thanks for the tip |
| 22:00.09 | Arnaud | plz answer me |
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| 22:00.12 | cj_ | dondelelcaro: netinst didn't have ... whatever the _cs-module was named user by FA411... |
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| 22:00.17 | johnga1t | how can i make an alias that has single quotes in it? |
| 22:00.19 | johnga1t | (in bash) |
| 22:00.21 | Arnaud | i m sure the file is is in the good place |
| 22:00.25 | deadcat | lvdz: you would want to use screen and a irc client together. |
| 22:00.26 | furrywolf | john: \' |
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| 22:00.41 | johnga1t | furrywolf: doesn't work ... cause my alias already has single quotes around it |
| 22:00.44 | lvdz | deadcat what you mean ? |
| 22:00.55 | Danar | Arnaud: type whereis fglrx<tab> from in that dir and see if it autocompletes it |
| 22:01.03 | furrywolf | john: i.e. alias fnord='foo\'bar' |
| 22:01.12 | deadcat | lvdz: theres a really nice program called "screen", it allows you to attach/detach a shell |
| 22:01.28 | christor | mikeX: how to see that? when I mount it I have no message |
| 22:01.29 | lvdz | deadcat oh ok, ill check that out ! thx |
| 22:01.30 | Danar | er, that was screwy. two trains of thought got merged into one sentence |
| 22:01.38 | furrywolf | john: hrmm, maybe it doesn't. thinking. :) |
| 22:01.43 | christor | mikeX: ok the command mount show me rw |
| 22:01.52 | furrywolf | john: '\'' :) |
| 22:02.04 | johnga1t | furrywolf: trying alias ipext='lynx -dump whatismyip.com | grep "Your IP" | awk \'{print $4;}\'' |
| 22:02.06 | Arnaud | it does Danar |
| 22:02.26 | christor | mikeX: /dev/hdc1 on /export type ext3 (rw) |
| 22:02.29 | johnga1t | furrywolf: that doesn't work ... |
| 22:02.42 | Danar | Arnaud: then when you do dpkg-source, try specifying the complete path |
| 22:03.08 | Arnaud | still doesn t work Danar |
| 22:03.09 | Danar | and use tabs for autocompletion to avoid typos |
| 22:03.17 | furrywolf | alias ipext="lynx -dump whatismyip.com | grep \"Your IP\" | awk '{print $4;}'" |
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| 22:03.21 | Arnaud | i use tab |
| 22:03.24 | mikeX | christor, and you still can't write? weird... don't know much about sata, but could it be that the driver you are using only has read only support (although that sounds weird too) |
| 22:03.27 | Arnaud | the tab works |
| 22:03.33 | furrywolf | or alias ipext='lynx -dump whatismyip.com | grep "Your IP" | awk '\''{print ;}'\''' |
| 22:03.35 | Danar | what shell are you using? |
| 22:03.38 | Arnaud | but still can t find the file |
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| 22:03.43 | Arnaud | Konsole |
| 22:03.44 | citral | johnga1t: or make it simple, alias getip='elinks -dump http://ipid.shat.net/iponly/' |
| 22:03.49 | deadcat | johnga1t: nice trick |
| 22:03.52 | christor | mikeX: I have the same problem with an ide disk |
| 22:03.54 | Danar | er, that's not the shell |
| 22:04.02 | christor | mikeX: /dev/hdc1 on /export type ext3 (rw) |
| 22:04.09 | Danar | nvm. try 'sudo updatedb' |
| 22:04.14 | Danar | then try again |
| 22:04.20 | furrywolf | johngalt: both those should work |
| 22:04.41 | mikeX | christor, hmmm, maybe you are trying to write on it as an unprivileged user? |
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| 22:04.48 | christor | mikeX: as root |
| 22:05.02 | johnga1t | citral: hmmm ... nice. still curious how to do it in bash tho |
| 22:05.12 | mikeX | christor, hands up : ( |
| 22:05.17 | deadcat | johnga1t: lynx -dump whatismyip.com | awk '/Your IP/ {print $4}' |
| 22:05.41 | johnga1t | deadcat: even sexier. but can i throw that in an alias? |
| 22:05.47 | furrywolf | gah, left out the $4. alias ipext='lynx -dump whatismyip.com | grep "Your IP" | awk '\''{print $4;}'\'' |
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| 22:06.04 | citral | johnga1t: just put that line in your .bashrc |
| 22:06.09 | furrywolf | johngalt: that one I tested to make sure it works. :) |
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| 22:07.15 | furrywolf | or alias ipext='lynx -dump whatismyip.com | awk '\''/Your IP/ {print $4}'\''' |
| 22:07.22 | Skyblaze | anyone who use wget to fetch a full website copy for offline review? |
| 22:07.34 | citral | Skyblaze: httrack |
| 22:07.43 | Skyblaze | citral, i don't like that |
| 22:07.52 | crashbg | Skyblaze, wget -r ? |
| 22:07.54 | furrywolf | ARGH! what is it with people who ask "anyone who use/do/etc foo", rather than asking their question? |
| 22:07.59 | Skyblaze | cinix, i tried with wget but it gets only the index |
| 22:08.01 | deadcat | johnga1t: ya you can |
| 22:08.12 | cinix | ;) k |
| 22:08.13 | johnga1t | furrywolf: thanks |
| 22:08.13 | johnga1t | citral: thanks. |
| 22:08.20 | furrywolf | john: that one work? |
| 22:08.34 | furrywolf | quoting in bash is a pain. :) |
| 22:08.34 | Skyblaze | crashbg, i've tried with -r and other options for full fetch but it only gets the index.htmol and then stops |
| 22:08.42 | johnga1t | furrywolf: yeppers. |
| 22:08.51 | johnga1t | furrywolf: much appreciated. |
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| 22:09.07 | cinix | Skyblaze, it probably adheres to robot.txt, maybe they don't want you grabbing more |
| 22:09.11 | furrywolf | skyblaze: does it say anything about robots.txt? use -v and see what it says it's doing. the links might also be to different hosts, in which case you hae to tell it to span hosts. |
| 22:09.36 | deadcat | citral: just create a link with php to display just the ip. hehe deadcat.freeshell.org |
| 22:10.23 | Skyblaze | i'm trying to fetch www.w3schools.com |
| 22:10.27 | cinix | mhmm. I second what citral said, httrack makes nice mirrors of websites, and gives you a cool index to start off with |
| 22:10.30 | deadcat | johnga1t: alias whatsmyip="lynx -dump whatismyip.com | awk '/Your IP/ {print \$4}'" |
| 22:10.31 | citral | deadcat: :) |
| 22:10.32 | Skyblaze | i'll check |
| 22:10.34 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 22:10.39 | faiper | Hi, i'm search for a free software to edit ( modify) ISO files. Some one know some software to do this ? |
| 22:10.43 | johnga1t | deadcat: werd. |
| 22:10.44 | furrywolf | hrmm. so with pci=noacpi, my two dead pci slots return to life... what should I fill them with? :) |
| 22:10.49 | deadcat | citral: been using that for a while. cant remember other people's website hehe |
| 22:11.31 | furrywolf | faiper: not sure that's easy. might want to just loopback mount the iso, copy it somewhere, then re-mkisofs it. |
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| 22:11.49 | jdhutchin1 | faiper, mkisofs |
| 22:11.51 | cinix | w3schools robot doesn't look too limiting, should grab the beef of it |
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| 22:11.52 | axelxxx | hello how shall i specify x11drv display variable for Debian in wine config? |
| 22:12.02 | Indigo_ | knows anyone a good tool to edit partitions via commandline |
| 22:12.09 | mikeX | fdisk? |
| 22:12.14 | ApEtc | cfdisk? |
| 22:12.14 | deadcat | cfdisk |
| 22:12.14 | faiper | thanks |
| 22:12.17 | furrywolf | indigo: fdisk, cfdisk if you have curses |
| 22:12.20 | Skyblaze | Last-modified header missing -- time-stamps turned off. |
| 22:12.27 | Skyblaze | it says that |
| 22:12.27 | Indigo_ | thanks |
| 22:12.39 | Skyblaze | and than it says: Nothing to do |
| 22:12.46 | Skyblaze | and then it fetches nothing |
| 22:12.54 | furrywolf | skyblaze: check and make sure the links aren't to a different host |
| 22:12.59 | mikeX | Indigo_, you can also try GNU parted, you can even make filesystems from within it |
| 22:12.59 | axelxxx | hello how shall i specify x11drv display variable for Debian in wine config? |
| 22:13.12 | furrywolf | i.e. you fetch www.foo.com/index.html, and all the links go to bar.foo.com/whatever... |
| 22:13.26 | furrywolf | axel: don't repeat. |
| 22:13.54 | axelxxx | furrywolf:sry |
| 22:14.49 | deadcat | my cvs file is currently: $Id: .bashrc,v 1.12 2005/04/18 16:28:44 deadcat Exp $, how can i make it to go 2.0? |
| 22:14.53 | Skyblaze | furrywolf, i understood you...but how can i check taht? |
| 22:15.09 | Skyblaze | in the browser window i don't see any other url |
| 22:15.35 | cinix | Skyblaze, do this: wget -m -U "Mozilla/5.001 (windows; U; NT4.0; en-us) Gecko/25250101" www.w3schools.com |
| 22:15.42 | cinix | seems they block wget |
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| 22:15.57 | darxeth | is there any sound program like "Reason" and "fruity loops" that i can work on it on linux? |
| 22:16.02 | Arnaud | dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_3.14.120132.dsc |
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| 22:16.17 | deadcat | darxeth: what the hell are those? |
| 22:16.27 | citral | darxeth: unfortunately, no. but they may work in wine. |
| 22:16.41 | darxeth | citral: wine? |
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| 22:16.58 | PerfDave | darxeth: Yes, there's freebirth, and a few others whose names escape me |
| 22:17.02 | citral | wine is a winbloze emulator |
| 22:17.10 | Arnaud | Hi everyone. I will ask my question in beetween the flood of the other ones, just hoping that someone will answer me : i have to do a dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_3.14.120132.dsc and the shell tell me the file or directory doesn t exist, but i m sure the file is in the good directory. And i always use tabs for the typos .Where could be my mistake ? |
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| 22:17.23 | deadcat | citral: Wine Is Not |
| 22:17.29 | Skyblaze | cinix, it seems it is working |
| 22:17.30 | darxeth | what exactly is wine? |
| 22:17.31 | citral | I know |
| 22:17.35 | Skyblaze | what did ya do? |
| 22:17.44 | cinix | Changed the agent name. could have been "you suck" if you want |
| 22:17.52 | PerfDave | !wine |
| 22:17.52 | dpkg | wine is, like, at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:17.52 | cinix | anything but wget |
| 22:17.53 | axelxxx | a buggy appie |
| 22:18.00 | cj_ | darxeth: What he meant was it's emulating a windows sytem under unix... |
| 22:18.04 | cj_ | system. |
| 22:18.08 | citral | darxeth: with wine, you can run some windows apps inside linux |
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| 22:18.37 | cinix | defaults to Wget/VERSION, they probably don't want tons of people downloading their entire site |
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| 22:18.41 | furrywolf | with wine, you can run m$ office faster than windoze can run m$ office, if rumors are true. :P |
| 22:18.44 | tarzeaupu | Linux happa 2.4.17-32 #1 Sat Mar 16 17:09:00 MST 2002 parisc unknown |
| 22:18.45 | darxeth | citral: that means, it lets you run .exe files? |
| 22:18.56 | axelxxx | sometimes |
| 22:19.02 | Skyblaze | cinix, good trick |
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| 22:19.19 | citral | darxeth: yeah, google for it, and look for the compatibilty list |
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| 22:19.33 | citral | !wine |
| 22:19.33 | dpkg | [wine] at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:19.36 | darxeth | ok, thanks |
| 22:19.52 | cj_ | Crap, how isolationist are you people?... anyone of you ever used anything other than debian? |
| 22:20.06 | Ronin | cj_: well seeing as we're in #debian... |
| 22:20.09 | citral | I did, but I didn't like it |
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| 22:20.29 | cinix | I guess this way it keeps the average joe from grabbing it, but google spiders still can index it. who knows, I think it's silly to block by agent, but I think i don't see muhc point in downloading the entire website either |
| 22:20.52 | tarzeau | cj_: i'm still using OPENSTEP |
| 22:20.53 | citral | I still do... I use XP for my study, and I HATE it |
| 22:20.54 | cj_ | Ok, I just get the chills hearing people talk like that about their opinions in other operating systems... it's rather uneducated. |
| 22:21.14 | cj_ | tarzeau: Is it close to as good as NeXTSTEP? |
| 22:21.15 | tarzeau | cj_: i've used (well had to) Solaris (at old werkplace alot) |
| 22:21.16 | Arnaud | Hi everyone. I will ask my question in beetween the flood of the other ones, just hoping that someone will answer me : i have to do a dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_3.14.120132.dsc and the shell tell me the file or directory doesn t exist, but i m sure the file is in the good directory. Where could be my mistake ? |
| 22:21.29 | tarzeau | cj_: it's the same , improved alot |
| 22:21.38 | tarzeau | cj_: binary backwards compatible. |
| 22:21.42 | cj_ | tarzeau: Ok, cool. :-) |
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| 22:21.58 | tarzeau | cj_: NeXTSTEP didn't have FoundationKit (NSString etc...) |
| 22:22.11 | cj_ | tarzeau: Of course, this is written under OS X, so... I know where you're from. :-) |
| 22:22.22 | tarzeau | cj_: i don't like OS X. but i like GNUstep |
| 22:22.32 | phaedral | hola friends; a little ot but...anyone able to help me get why killing java_vm kills firefox? |
| 22:22.44 | tarzeau | cj_: Cocoa might be fine, but they screwed alot of usability for the sake of their moron users |
| 22:23.22 | cj_ | tarzeau: Heck, I don't think they screwed much for me anyhow... but then I haven't used *STEP except as window managers... |
| 22:23.43 | tarzeau | cj_: you really used NeXTSTEP or only Window Maker? |
| 22:23.49 | tarzeau | cj_: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 22:24.12 | cj_ | tarzeau: I know, windowmaker... |
| 22:24.13 | tarzeau | cj_: between Window Maker and NeXTSTEP there is a HUGE GAP! |
| 22:24.31 | cj_ | tarzeau: Have you got the clip of Jobs demoing NeXTSTEP? It's brutal. |
| 22:24.33 | tarzeau | cj_: well that's zero, niente, null, void compared to what NeXTSTEP is , feels like and does |
| 22:24.50 | tarzeau | cj_: sure. actually i run two OPENSTEP boxen ;) |
| 22:24.59 | cj_ | Mhmm.. |
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| 22:25.12 | heavy | how do i install rar support in deb? |
| 22:25.16 | tarzeau | heavy: you don't |
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| 22:25.21 | heavy | tarzeau: uh, ok |
| 22:25.23 | dondelelcaro | heavy: apt-get install unrar; |
| 22:25.37 | phaedral | if i liked afterstep in 99 am i likely to want NeXSTEP now? |
| 22:25.44 | tarzeau | cj_: check these: http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications |
| 22:25.51 | tarzeau | phaedral: no |
| 22:25.53 | heavy | dondelelcaro: no dice |
| 22:26.01 | cj_ | phaedral: ask tarzeau, it's more than the wm... |
| 22:26.12 | tarzeau | phaedral: afterstep is a window manager for x |
| 22:26.15 | cj_ | But just an opinion, I learned to love OS X, WinXP works very well for me and I work efficiently enough there, Ubuntu seems really promising, I've scrapped redhat... but debian need to stop giving me this terrible headache each time I try to install it... it sucks badly. |
| 22:26.24 | dondelelcaro | heavy: it's in non-free. |
| 22:26.30 | dondelelcaro | !info unrar |
| 22:26.34 | phaedral | and NeXSTEP is an OS? |
| 22:26.36 | phaedral | my bad |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 22:26.36 | cj_ | tarzeau: Will do that. |
| 22:26.43 | dondelelcaro | heavy: see above. |
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| 22:27.01 | heavy | dondelelcaro: i see that, but how do i access nonfree packages? |
| 22:27.11 | tarzeau | phaedral: NeXTSTEP is a complete system: the hardware (m68k, see http://gnu.ethz.ch/nextstep/ ), a microkernel (Mach), BSD tools, lots of fantastic graphical software and graphical development environment |
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| 22:27.17 | dondelelcaro | heavy: rrr,, actulaly, unrar is in main, rar is in non-free. |
| 22:27.25 | dondelelcaro | heavy: what version of Debian are you actually running? |
| 22:27.27 | phaedral | hardware too? cool |
| 22:27.33 | Gabe_ | greetings. |
| 22:27.37 | heavy | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:27.37 | heavy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:27.38 | heavy | is only available from another source |
| 22:27.43 | cj_ | tarzeau: Ok, I can see the benefit of the framework... but is still *STEP so goddamn ugly? :-) |
| 22:27.47 | tarzeau | phaedral: yes NeXTSTEP is an OS, so is OPENSTEP, it runs on hppa, sparc, i386, Solaris, WinNT and m68k |
| 22:27.55 | furrywolf | heavy: unrar is non-free |
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| 22:28.04 | citral | hmmm only unrar-nonfree works for sarge |
| 22:28.06 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: actually, it's not. |
| 22:28.07 | tarzeau | phaedral: AND you can take your application source, throw it at cocoa, build and voilà it also runs on Mac OS X |
| 22:28.07 | furrywolf | or, at least, rar is |
| 22:28.14 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to find out why mu computer do not turn off completely when I run the command "shutdow -h now" |
| 22:28.16 | phaedral | very nice |
| 22:28.24 | heavy | ok, so how do i get nonfree packages? |
| 22:28.25 | tarzeau | phaedral: and if you kick your source a bit into shape, it'll even run on any unix/linux with GNUstep |
| 22:28.26 | dondelelcaro | pool/main/u/unrar/unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 22:28.30 | Gabe_ | i've got an annoying problem, i answered a wrong question while configuring a package, and that broke the package install. now i can't for the life of me make dpkg forget about this package and take me through the configure screens. |
| 22:28.32 | furrywolf | jair: no apm/acpi? |
| 22:28.36 | jair_11 | and even the command "halt" or "power off" |
| 22:28.37 | heavy | errr, i'm thinking nonOSS |
| 22:28.37 | dondelelcaro | heavy: what version of Debian are you actually using? |
| 22:28.37 | citral | jair_11: I had that too, had to apt-get install apmd |
| 22:28.43 | Gabe_ | this is a contributed package, so i'm installing it through dpkg -i |
| 22:28.56 | jair_11 | citral, what was your situation? |
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| 22:28.58 | cj_ | Gabe_: dpkg-reconfigure foo.deb? |
| 22:29.00 | tarzeau | phaedral: check this: http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/OpenTrack/Downloads/batschkus.pdf |
| 22:29.10 | heavy | dondelelcaro: sarge |
| 22:29.22 | Gabe_ | cj_: it's not installed. |
| 22:29.32 | jair_11 | citral, I have an R51 IBM brand new laptop running sarge RC3 and installed with expert and kernel 2.6 |
| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | heavy: then you need to add a non-free source line and install unrar-nonfree or rar |
| 22:29.40 | Gabe_ | cj_: it breaks during the install. |
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| 22:29.50 | citral | jair_11: installed debian for a friend on an old PII, and "halt" didn't shut down completely, had to press the power button for two seconds to finish |
| 22:30.05 | Gabe_ | presumably there's a flag somewhere that says "this package is already configured". |
| 22:30.07 | cj_ | Gabe_: Ah, sorry, I don't know the gory details of dpkg.... |
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| 22:30.30 | ruied | Hi! which fax server should I use to receive faxes in my debian machine... |
| 22:30.32 | ruied | ? |
| 22:30.41 | citral | jair_11: look at the power management type of your laptop, like I said if it's apm install apmd |
| 22:30.53 | phaedral | tarzeau: ich sprechen keine deutsche |
| 22:30.59 | jair_11 | ok |
| 22:31.00 | phaedral | as that feeble attempt will show |
| 22:31.06 | tarzeau | phaedral: try the google translator |
| 22:31.08 | phaedral | but pretty pictures |
| 22:31.12 | jair_11 | citral, how can I check if the apm is installed? |
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| 22:31.25 | citral | jair_11: dpkg -l | grep apm |
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| 22:32.01 | tarzeau | phaedral: pity it had bad marketing |
| 22:32.10 | tarzeau | phaedral: and all who copied parts of it, did it wrong and cheap |
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| 22:32.20 | phaedral | tarzeau: marketing, the only reason windoze is still an issue |
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| 22:32.22 | tarzeau | phaedral: actually everyone copied from NeXT |
| 22:32.41 | jair_11 | citral, this means is not installed right? caracas:/proc/acpi# dpkg -l |grep apm |
| 22:32.41 | jair_11 | caracas:/proc/acpi# |
| 22:32.49 | heavy | dondelelcaro: arg, i put in some nonfree sources and still nothing |
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| 22:33.31 | citral | jair_11: it's not installed. but that doesn't either means that your laptop does apm... look at tuxmobile or other linux laptops site for more infos etc. |
| 22:33.40 | Gabe_ | aha, i think i solved my own problem. |
| 22:33.45 | Gabe_ | dpkg-reconfigure foo.deb |
| 22:33.52 | cj_ | Curious, I get basicallyt his error with the latest sarge iso: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/12/msg00235.html |
| 22:33.52 | n | How does one force the removal of a module that thinks it still has dependencies sitting around? |
| 22:33.54 | Gabe_ | well, uh. thanks :) |
| 22:34.02 | cj_ | basically... |
| 22:34.08 | tarzeau | n: what module is it? |
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| 22:34.13 | jair_11 | citral, hmmm ok |
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| 22:34.32 | n | tarzeau: pcmf502rd, for my wireless pcmcia card |
| 22:34.37 | matt__ | just a quick comment. On Distrowatch there is a little flamefest going on about Ubuntu vs Debian. How stupid is that? |
| 22:34.46 | tarzeau | matt__: ubuntu sucks |
| 22:34.57 | Eclipser | ... |
| 22:35.14 | citral | ubuntu doesn't suck. It's not debian. |
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| 22:35.16 | matt__ | it would arbitrarily shut down on me. super lame. sarge never does that. |
| 22:35.44 | tarzeau | citral: the live cd i tried sucked very damn badly |
| 22:35.44 | Paganist | citral: meaning debian sucks ? |
| 22:35.46 | ruied | hylafax efax vsi-fax. which of this fax servers is the best to be used? have anyone tried one of this fax servers? |
| 22:35.56 | matt__ | the whole shortcut to debian through other distros built off it with easier install paths is a moot point anymore. |
| 22:36.15 | mikeX | matt__, how come? |
| 22:36.15 | citral | Paganist: no, my sentence was bad :) I mean it has no place in this chan. |
| 22:36.19 | jair_11 | I really do not like ubuntu eaither hate it, could not make the xmms works fine, it have some nice things though and it was the only distro that recognize the dual gigabit ethernet I have on my asus motherboard |
| 22:36.27 | matt__ | the new sarge install image is waaay easy. |
| 22:36.28 | cj_ | I can install ubuntu, debian is broken... that's the experience from this week... |
| 22:36.37 | Paganist | citral: then i agree :P |
| 22:36.38 | tarzeau | cj_: PEBKAC |
| 22:36.43 | Eclipser | woody install isn't any harder |
| 22:36.45 | cj_ | tarzeau: Pardon? |
| 22:36.47 | matt__ | true. |
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| 22:37.04 | tarzeau | cj_: "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" |
| 22:37.06 | Eclipser | but what I really liked in sarge install was the ssh client :p |
| 22:37.06 | jim | cj_: he's telling you where the problem is |
| 22:37.08 | mikeX | matt__, well ubuntu compares to sid in terms of package versions |
| 22:37.14 | cj_ | Seriously, anyone claiming the sarge install works come here and help me then! |
| 22:37.21 | axelxxx | please help! anyone's using Debian now. Can You watch the Wine config and send me the x11drv display variable value. please! |
| 22:37.25 | tarzeau | mikeX: with 2/3 of the packages removed |
| 22:37.27 | cj_ | tarzeau: Oh no it doesn't. |
| 22:37.30 | matt__ | where does it hang up cj_ ? |
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| 22:37.43 | mikeX | tarzeau, well yeah |
| 22:37.48 | grendal_prime | ok has anyone every gotten x2x working? |
| 22:37.54 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: yes it works |
| 22:37.55 | axelxxx | i owe U all! |
| 22:37.56 | jim | cj_: plane ticket and $2000, charge to leave out my door. Then, $80/hour |
| 22:37.57 | cj_ | matt__: let me catch my breath... |
| 22:37.59 | grendal_prime | really... |
| 22:38.07 | cj_ | *whine* smug fscks... |
| 22:38.10 | daft | axelxxx: pm or ftp? |
| 22:38.13 | furrywolf | grendal: yep. I'm typing this through x2x right now in fact... |
| 22:38.13 | tzafrir | cj_, Sarge install works here. It will work if you just come over :-p |
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| 22:38.24 | grendal_prime | well what the hell do i have to do to get it there...i mean i can get x2vnc working..but jesus..why do that slow ass app when i chould just x2x |
| 22:38.28 | tzafrir | Now what was your problem? |
| 22:38.34 | cj_ | matt__: Basically it's this error http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/12/msg00235.html , except on a simple dell latitude... |
| 22:38.42 | furrywolf | ssh -X 192.168.0.215 x2x -buttonblock -west -resurface -from ":0.1" <== the line I use. |
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| 22:38.50 | grendal_prime | i have two deb systems...same kernel even.. |
| 22:38.52 | matt__ | laptop? |
| 22:38.58 | cj_ | matt__: yep. |
| 22:39.06 | furrywolf | you'd probably want -from to be :0.0 instead of :0.1 unless you have a triple-head setup. |
| 22:39.39 | grendal_prime | tarzeau, computer a i would run x2x -from 192.168.1.11 -to 192.168.1.197 |
| 22:39.45 | grendal_prime | opps |
| 22:39.51 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: i didn't say *i* run it, i have seen it run |
| 22:39.53 | matt__ | oh, dude quit. yeah. I can's see any reason to finish reading the problem |
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| 22:39.53 | grendal_prime | x2x -from 192.168.1.11:0 -to 192.168.1.197:0 |
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| 22:40.07 | cj_ | Oops, that was entirely unintentional! |
| 22:40.07 | furrywolf | the command I gave, ran on the box without the keyboard/mouse, connects it to the box with the primary keyboard/mouse and tells it that when the mouse goes off the left (west) side send it over the x2x link. |
| 22:40.18 | cj_ | Please repeat any shouting at me the last minute. :-) |
| 22:40.21 | zorton | how does debian handle iptables patches? |
| 22:40.24 | tzafrir | cj_, that post was about an unsupported platform |
| 22:40.36 | grendal_prime | zorton, very well |
| 22:40.39 | Darkslide | hmm |
| 22:40.48 | furrywolf | grendal: you could do it that way, but you'd have to first set X up to allow connections from the other computers... |
| 22:40.49 | cj_ | tzafrir: I know... but I had similar problem, "anna" didn't pick up "sarge" or something... |
| 22:40.56 | furrywolf | using it over SSH is more secure and less work |
| 22:41.00 | zorton | well i've got a patch I would like to apply to iptables, but i'm not too sure how to proceed |
| 22:41.00 | cj_ | But /then/... (and this is solving no, so bear with me...) |
| 22:41.03 | grendal_prime | furrywolf, i keep getting an error about |
| 22:41.06 | grendal_prime | umm hold on |
| 22:41.07 | tzafrir | This could be a simple media problem. |
| 22:41.10 | cj_ | I was just dumbfounded at that things seemed to work as I turned around here... |
| 22:41.11 | grendal_prime | well how do you do it? |
| 22:41.16 | Darkslide | does anyone know how to resize your screen |
| 22:41.22 | Darkslide | like resolution |
| 22:41.25 | tzafrir | Have you tried debugging it a bit from the shell (ctrl-alt-f2) ? |
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| 22:41.53 | Darkslide | me? |
| 22:41.55 | cj_ | After manually unmounting the cd, remounting it and stuff, trying to run cdrom-checker... I notice it segfaults. |
| 22:41.56 | matt__ | so you run a costom kernel like that cat does cj_ ? |
| 22:42.00 | cureless | Darkslide: : Ctrl-Alt-+ |
| 22:42.08 | Darkslide | thanks |
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| 22:42.14 | cj_ | matt__: No, I just see similar symptoms. |
| 22:42.19 | furrywolf | grendal: I know the line I gave works. I copied+pasted the very one I'm typing this over. :P |
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| 22:42.24 | d22 | any idea why do I see some of this bullshit in my query log? 19-Apr-2005 14:53:51.373 queries: client 207.218.192.79#58700: query: partners.mygeek.com.peakclick.com IN A -E. is my dns returning this or what? Why is this partners.mygeek.com.peakclick.com, not partners.mygeek.com (peakclick.com is my domain). sometime when my scripts ask for partners.mygeek.com it gets partners.mygeek.com.peakclick.com |
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| 22:42.33 | cj_ | matt__: It's the fresh netinst/sarge-1 isos I've tried here... |
| 22:42.34 | d22 | this is a query log of named |
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| 22:42.53 | tzafrir | cj_, the installer seem to have had a problem mounting the CD, right? |
| 22:43.05 | tzafrir | cj_, or is it reading from a mounted CD? |
| 22:43.07 | cj_ | tzafrir: Nope, it could mount it without a problem... |
| 22:43.12 | furrywolf | d22: first guess, you're missing a "." somewhere, and/or it's not finding it the first time and trying the search domain list. |
| 22:43.14 | cj_ | tzafrir: Yep. |
| 22:43.42 | cj_ | Anyway... as I unmount the cd, go back to the install and ask it to check again, I think it fail once or so, but now things seem to have fallen into place and I'm going to continue the install! |
| 22:43.45 | tzafrir | cj_, have you tried the other kernel? (linux26 at boot time for kernel 2.6) |
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| 22:43.49 | matt__ | if the cd could mount the cd then what is the problem. looked to me like the cd wouldn't mount in that post |
| 22:43.59 | d22 | furrywolf I thonk your second guess is right (the dot is not missing), but I dont understand why it not finding it the first time (sometimes), what might be the reasons for that. also what is a domain list? |
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| 22:44.31 | cj_ | matt__: Well, the cd was claimed to be "not a debian cd" even after it was successfully mounted by the installer... which is what seriously bothers me. |
| 22:44.45 | truth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.53 | truth | how can i reconfigure and install php4 with apt-get? |
| 22:44.53 | tarzeau | truth: hail |
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| 22:44.56 | cj_ | tzafrir: Haven't had time for that yet, don't know if the same problem occur... |
| 22:45.00 | truth | hello |
| 22:45.04 | cj_ | tzafrir: Might as well right away. |
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| 22:45.20 | tuxracer66 | Hi@All ! |
| 22:45.24 | Delph | d22: if you've got a lot of machines inside one domain eg alice.me.com bob.me.com then it's usual to put "me.com" as your search domain, then just use "alice" and "bob" to refer to the machines. It's just mostly a nice timesaver when typing. |
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| 22:45.44 | Delph | d22: you can have arbitary numbers of search domains, so you get a search domain list. |
| 22:45.47 | cj_ | I was just really upset, didn't have drivers for a Netgear FA411 in netinst, and this error in RC3... it /worried/ me. |
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| 22:45.48 | tzafrir | truth, apt-get source php4 (as a user) to get the sources. as root: apt-get build-dep php4 |
| 22:46.01 | d22 | Delph ahh I see, but I dont have the search domain set up. I have big problems with this dns right now and tried everything to resolve it and I am not able to :( |
| 22:46.10 | truth | thx tzafrir i will read up on that and do it |
| 22:46.12 | uli_ | hi!!! can anyone help me with a little mouse problem in linux? |
| 22:46.19 | d22 | I cannot understand why it sometimes cannot find the IP of lets say partners.mygeek.com |
| 22:46.23 | tarzeau | uli_: we can't read mind |
| 22:46.36 | uli_ | ok, but wif i am explain the problem? |
| 22:46.37 | Delph | d22: has some random spyware come in and is redirecting all your requests through a third party site to add advertsing urls / track movements? |
| 22:46.45 | grendal_prime | ok soooo furrywolf your pipeing itthrough ssh?? |
| 22:46.49 | grendal_prime | that is totally cool |
| 22:46.52 | d22 | Delph no this is in linux lol :) no spyware here |
| 22:46.52 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 22:47.00 | grendal_prime | whats all the other crap in there? |
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| 22:47.15 | tuxracer66 | Problem: Old Package "frozen-bubble-data" cannot be deinstalled (dpkg -P) as package is empty ! - no deinstall-scripts ... |
| 22:47.18 | uli_ | or is there an extra channel for mouse? |
| 22:47.27 | tarzeau | uli_: haha, /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:47.42 | cj_ | Hey, just flashing some ad: http://www.mdstud.chalmers.se/~dp04-11/ <-- debian package coming in a month or so.... |
| 22:47.43 | Delph | d22: well, start a tcpdump as you try to go to your website, and see what your machine is producing. |
| 22:47.51 | jim | grendal_prime: you could find out yourself quite easily |
| 22:48.12 | cj_ | ... same problem with linux26... |
| 22:48.23 | grendal_prime | ya....jim i have looked for house...maned it...im just dead tired at this point |
| 22:48.39 | uli_ | oke, i am running knoppix 3.8 and it works fine, and also the mouse does. but the mous pointer makes some graphical error some times. i guess its becuase of the standart mouse driver... but i dont know, i am noob |
| 22:48.53 | d22 | Delph this is on linux server, I have a script running there which needs and IP addres of some domains including partners.mygeek.com. from time to time the script finds the IP of this domain as a main IP of my server. Reason for that is that I saw in the logs that it finds a domain partners.mygeek.com.peakclick.com |
| 22:49.10 | furrywolf | grendal: ssh -X 192.168.0.215 x2x -buttonblock -west -resurface -from ":0.1" -X is forward X11 connections. the IP is the IP of the machine that has the primary mouse/keyboard (the command is ran from the machine without them) -buttonblock means don't switch between monitors while a mouse button is held down (keeps you from going off the screen when dragging scroll bars), -west means the slave system is on the west of the master, |
| 22:49.11 | tzafrir | cj_, In terminal 3 (alt-3) you should see messages from the kernel. Anything that looks like read errors or such? |
| 22:49.15 | grendal_prime | and damn it jim..im just a pilot...i dont know how to birth no babies |
| 22:49.32 | cj_ | tzafrir: Moment mal... (BTW, unmount and retry worked here too) |
| 22:49.36 | jim | grendal_prime: but reading is within your grasp? :) |
| 22:49.44 | furrywolf | grendal: -resurface keeps programs from breaking x2x, and -from is which display on the master (0.1 in this case, meaning my second screen. you want 0.0) to use. |
| 22:49.58 | matt__ | sorry --- had an important phone call |
| 22:50.34 | grendal_prime | Look..ive looked ive maned..im still having a hard time with this...its why i came here...the information i have does not seem to work |
| 22:50.35 | jim | grendal_prime: tired I can understand... so get some rest and do it later :) |
| 22:50.43 | Xenguy | grendal_prime: excuse my interuption, but are you not the person who once solved how to print from GIMP? |
| 22:51.01 | cj_ | tzafrir: Hard to tell... all I see is anna failing. |
| 22:51.11 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 22:51.22 | uli_ | what is dpgk in here means? |
| 22:51.25 | grendal_prime | hu printing from gimp... |
| 22:51.32 | Xenguy | grendal_prime: and perhaps not :-) |
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| 22:51.47 | grendal_prime | there is a package for that |
| 22:51.55 | tuxracer66 | uli_ do you talk to me ? |
| 22:52.10 | alcorrr | is anybody familiar with exim 4 ? i want to know how i can set up routing from ph pproperly |
| 22:52.12 | furrywolf | grendal: I'm very sure the command I gave works with no additional setup on either box. :) |
| 22:52.16 | alcorrr | from php, i mean |
| 22:52.16 | uli_ | i dont know, but you can answer too :-) |
| 22:52.16 | tzafrir | cj_, that log should be at /var/log/kernel or something |
| 22:52.23 | cj_ | tzafrir: Do you want me to restart all over again with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, or will it do without it? |
| 22:52.24 | uli_ | i am glad for all help |
| 22:52.25 | Xenguy | grendal_prime: if you are the one who solved this (problems printing from GIMP), then I'm interested in what your solution was :-) |
| 22:52.36 | cj_ | tzafrir: /var/log/syslog...? |
| 22:52.46 | furrywolf | xenguy: I have 4 printers printing from gimp... what's your question? |
| 22:52.53 | tzafrir | in the shell you should have more, nano and maybe a vi |
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| 22:52.56 | grendal_prime | printing from gimp?? exactly |
| 22:52.56 | tuxracer66 | uli_ can you repeat your question |
| 22:53.00 | uli_ | oke |
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| 22:53.09 | cj_ | tzafrir: I'm in my good mood today, I'll turn on all debugging and fail again... |
| 22:53.24 | uli_ | here is my problem: i am running knoppix 3.8 and it works fine, and also the mouse does. but the mous pointer makes some graphical error some times. i guess its becuase of the standart mouse driver... but i dont know, i am noob |
| 22:53.45 | Xenguy | furrywolf: GIMP does not play nice, and prints garbage instead of images - that is the current state; I'd like to correct that, and I think grendal_prime has crossed this bridge before :-) |
| 22:53.49 | uli_ | and its only the mouse pointer that causes this errors i think |
| 22:53.56 | tuxracer66 | uli_ what type of mouse do you have ? |
| 22:53.58 | grendal_prime | oh ya... |
| 22:53.58 | tzafrir | uli_, better ask that at #knoppix |
| 22:54.03 | cj_ | tzafrir: Are you a maintainer of some sort? It would be great if I can just email you the log and dump the problem onto you... |
| 22:54.05 | grendal_prime | well what printer are you trying to print to? |
| 22:54.08 | uli_ | logitech click optical mouse |
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| 22:54.15 | matt__ | what doesn't make sense cj_ is that you can mount any other cd just not the sarge installer. have you checked to make sure the cd is ok? |
| 22:54.17 | furrywolf | xenguy: hrmm, never had that problem. what printer, print server, etc? |
| 22:54.17 | grendal_prime | ps ? |
| 22:54.19 | jim | grendal_prime: being tired might be bad for solving problems... also, the time factor is involved, if you try to solve on deadline, that might not work out |
| 22:54.22 | tzafrir | ~knoppix |
| 22:54.23 | apt | tzafrir, Knoppix != Debian, and #debian != #knoppix. /join #knoppix if you run Knoppix and have questions |
| 22:54.26 | uli_ | no infrared, still with cable |
| 22:54.41 | grendal_prime | jesus... |
| 22:54.43 | tuxracer66 | uli_ usb ? 3 buttons with scroll ? |
| 22:54.48 | uli_ | exactly |
| 22:54.56 | grendal_prime | jim...did i do something to you in a previouse life or something? |
| 22:55.05 | Xenguy | grendal_prime: no, it's a 'Brother' is all I know, and I'm certain it's not a 'PS printer' (please prepend my nick before replying, tx) |
| 22:55.10 | tuxracer66 | uli_ you have installed knoppix on hd ? |
| 22:55.15 | uli_ | yes |
| 22:55.23 | uli_ | and my graphics driver too |
| 22:55.24 | tuxracer66 | ok solution easy: |
| 22:55.29 | uli_ | it works 3D |
| 22:55.45 | furrywolf | xenguy: can you print to it from other programs? |
| 22:55.46 | tzafrir | cj_, no, I'm not a maitainer. There's also #debian-boot for the debian-installer Try asking there. |
| 22:55.49 | jim | grendal_prime: no... I want everyone to be independent, and I'm trying to help you toward that end |
| 22:55.51 | grendal_prime | furrywolf, thank you for the help i think that was the right direction...i was asking what the other options are for...just cause i thought you might throw some more lite on problems i might have..if you ever need any help from me.. Im game |
| 22:56.00 | Xenguy | furrywolf: OK, suppertime, gtg - but I will come back later to see what information I can provide - thanks (yes to your last question) |
| 22:56.04 | cj_ | tzafrir: *whine* Ok... |
| 22:56.05 | uli_ | ok, i am listening |
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| 22:56.09 | cj_ | AFK here then... |
| 22:56.12 | tuxracer66 | uli_ put into /etc/X11&XFree86-4: |
| 22:56.21 | uli_ | yep |
| 22:56.29 | furrywolf | in gimp, select postscript 2, and make sure there is NOT something like "-o raw" or the like in the command it's using. if so, delete it. |
| 22:56.31 | grendal_prime | Jim..sorry bro i dont understand your problem...it sounds personal |
| 22:56.42 | uli_ | iva already opened |
| 22:56.45 | tzafrir | Knoppix still uses xfree? didn't they move to xorg? |
| 22:56.49 | tuxracer66 | uli_ Section "ServerLayout" : InputDevice "USB Mouse" "CorePointer" |
| 22:56.54 | tarzeau | tzafrir: who cares? |
| 22:57.06 | uli_ | oke, ill trying |
| 22:57.15 | tuxracer66 | uli_ Section "ServerFlags" |
| 22:57.15 | tuxracer66 | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
| 22:57.22 | tzafrir | uli_ and maybe tuxracer66 |
| 22:57.38 | matt__ | I tried knoppix. hated it. |
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| 22:57.47 | tarzeau | matt__: tried livecd.gnustep.org too? |
| 22:57.54 | tuxracer66 | uli: |
| 22:57.57 | tuxracer66 | Section "InputDevice" |
| 22:57.58 | tuxracer66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.58 | tuxracer66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.59 | tuxracer66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.59 | tuxracer66 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.01 | grendal_prime | knoppix has a snazzy distro for cluster servers... |
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| 22:58.05 | matt__ | no, I havent't tried that one. |
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| 22:58.16 | phaedral | muuuuuch better |
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| 22:58.20 | tzafrir | matt__, it it pretty useful as a demo CD. Not that I'd use it as an installed system or something. |
| 22:58.21 | uwp | hello |
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| 22:58.26 | grendal_prime | that distro is sort of....task centered...meaning there is an iso for specific things it seems |
| 22:58.31 | uli_ | i looked, and saw that these options are already, as you said |
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| 22:58.45 | matt__ | that's the dope scoop there tuxracer. had to tweak my usb mouse once. |
| 22:58.46 | uli_ | ah wait, i forgot that one above, wait |
| 22:58.48 | sussudio | !moron tuxracer66 |
| 22:58.50 | dpkg | tuxracer66: You are moron #42 |
| 22:58.59 | tarzeau | sussudio!! |
| 22:59.01 | tuxracer66 | no |
| 22:59.05 | tarzeau | sussudio: where's the snake? |
| 22:59.12 | tarzeau | and mushroom? |
| 22:59.17 | sussudio | :-| |
| 22:59.52 | tuxracer66 | uli_ : all ok ? |
| 22:59.52 | jim | grendal_prime: if you can't read up on your own, then what, you'll come in here and ask for solutions you could have worked out yourself? be independent. if you are too tired to think, that's understandable; the thing to do there is sleep. berating people trying to help you learn to solve your own problems is not going to help you |
| 23:00.01 | ViaD | is it much diferense between a debian woody install, and a knoppix old way debian install? |
| 23:00.21 | uli_ | i am checking still |
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| 23:00.24 | tuxracer66 | viad : oh yea |
| 23:00.34 | tarzeau | ViaD: knoppix debootstrap or knoppix knx-hdinstall? |
| 23:00.41 | phaedral | arrgh, except my alt button doesn't seem to be working now; guess i'll have to live with kde until i have time to diddle |
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| 23:00.45 | tarzeau | ViaD: if first one, which stable, testing or sid? |
| 23:00.49 | grendal_prime | dude...again this sounds like some problem you have with teaching people to be independent... Something that is not computer ralated |
| 23:00.59 | ViaD | tarzeau: knx |
| 23:01.17 | ViaD | tarzeau: sid |
| 23:01.26 | tarzeau | ViaD: no knx or knoppix is not sid |
| 23:01.28 | jim | grendal_prime: the problem is yours, and it affects helpers here. |
| 23:01.29 | tarzeau | ViaD: it's not debian at all |
| 23:01.32 | tarzeau | ViaD: it's #knoppix |
| 23:01.40 | grendal_prime | again we are arguing about something for now aparent reason... furrywolfls info helped..in fact it worked... |
| 23:01.41 | tarzeau | ViaD: it's not supported here. nobody cares. stop whining |
| 23:01.52 | grendal_prime | right jim... |
| 23:01.54 | grendal_prime | thanks.. |
| 23:02.01 | tarzeau | ViaD: one more word or i will drown you in the milk of the blessed nipples of dpkg |
| 23:02.02 | phaedral | ViaD: there's a small bit in the debian docs about keeping a mixed system; that's as close as you're likely to get here |
| 23:02.08 | grendal_prime | furrywolf, thank you even more.. |
| 23:02.10 | ViaD | hm. must read debian bible |
| 23:02.11 | furrywolf | grendal: got it working? |
| 23:02.15 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 23:02.20 | furrywolf | glad to help. :) |
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| 23:02.57 | phaedral | tarzeau: this is first i've heard of debootstrap |
| 23:03.12 | grendal_prime | amazing your 2 lines of info worked...compaired to jims pages of bitching how he didnt want to be botherd by someone in this chat that was asking for information that could be gotten somewhere else |
| 23:03.13 | tuxracer66 | tarzeau: dont be so hard ! |
| 23:03.14 | tarzeau | phaedral: then there's plenty more you can learn here |
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| 23:03.25 | phaedral | heh; could've toldja that! |
| 23:03.33 | tarzeau | tuxracer66: it must be back into the /topic |
| 23:03.35 | clojster | how can I put artwiz fonts back into Xft? |
| 23:03.35 | grendal_prime | hmmm..makes grendal wonder why we have this chat |
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| 23:03.57 | grendal_prime | News flash ...READ YOUR MAN PAGES...DO NOT USE CHAT..ITS FOR....UMMMM.....WELL......SOMETHING ELSE |
| 23:04.05 | jim | grendal_prime: you don't have to come here |
| 23:04.14 | grendal_prime | HEHEHE |
| 23:04.18 | grendal_prime | im done with youdude |
| 23:04.28 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: this is not the place where people read manual pages to you like fairy tales |
| 23:04.29 | uli_ | eh weird |
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| 23:04.50 | tuxracer66 | uli_ : doesnt work ? |
| 23:04.51 | matt__ | such an argumentative place |
| 23:05.12 | phaedral | well, it's been nice having the afterstep look for a minute, but i can't switch channels in irssi cause the alt key isn't mapped right |
| 23:05.17 | cafuego | matt__: no it's not |
| 23:05.17 | grendal_prime | again... furrywolf DUDE you totally rock.....the TWO LINES OF HELP WAS AMAZING!!! |
| 23:05.24 | matt__ | LOL |
| 23:05.43 | jim | can we quiet him for awhile now? |
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| 23:05.53 | grendal_prime | any time you need anything....just ask |
| 23:05.58 | tarzeau | phaethon: afterstep problem. tried window maker? |
| 23:06.04 | tarzeau | s/phaethon/phaedral/ |
| 23:06.05 | uwp | anyone knows about a channel with user-mode-linux ? |
| 23:06.08 | furrywolf | grendal: just trying to help. :) |
| 23:06.08 | uli_ | it is all activated already the way you described it. so i dont know... i mean... the mouse wrks, but this grpahical errors it causes are damned.. |
| 23:06.21 | uwp | I need some help with bridging/uml/dsl |
| 23:06.26 | tarzeau | uwp: they merged with ubuntu? |
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| 23:06.33 | tarzeau | uwp: nice, but not here |
| 23:06.43 | uli_ | i had that problem in suse 9.2 too |
| 23:06.45 | uli_ | i remmeber |
| 23:06.46 | tuxracer66 | uli_: did you a restart of X ? |
| 23:06.49 | tarzeau | uwp: you could have the help here, but you'd want to install debian first |
| 23:06.53 | tarzeau | uli_: #suse |
| 23:07.07 | uwp | tarzeau: indeed, I'm using debian since several years :) |
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| 23:07.33 | uwp | tarzeau: but I'm not an expert with user-mode-linux, I started virtualizing some days ago |
| 23:07.36 | tarzeau | uwp: sid? testing? more-than-two-years-old? |
| 23:07.43 | uli_ | @tuxracer: i didnt change a setting, because, they already are the way you described, so a restart of X wouldnt change anything |
| 23:07.56 | tarzeau | uwp: ahh uml |
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| 23:08.05 | uwp | tarzeau: testing, unstable had problems sometimes so I stay with testing |
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| 23:08.14 | uwp | tarzeau: it seems quite ok |
| 23:08.18 | alcorrr | anybody here have a clue how routers work with exim4 ? |
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| 23:08.21 | jim | uwp: heh :) that mostly goes without saying :) |
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| 23:08.29 | tarzeau | alcorrr: huh? |
| 23:08.38 | dondelelcaro | alcorrr: routers have almost nothing to do with exim4 |
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| 23:08.42 | uwp | tarzeau: right now one of my pcs is doin'g firewall but with a uml I could do it much safer |
| 23:08.56 | alcorrr | tarzeau, routers and transports <- used in config file, have nothing to do with "cisco routers" |
| 23:09.01 | uwp | I can let a uml run read-only |
| 23:09.06 | tarzeau | alcorrr: don't tell ME! |
| 23:09.13 | uwp | and if an attacker cracks it, he cannot do anything |
| 23:09.21 | alcorrr | tarzeau, so do you know how exim4 works? |
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| 23:09.23 | uwp | I only need the idea how to bridge over it |
| 23:09.33 | tarzeau | uwp: haha why would anyone want to pawn YOUR box? |
| 23:09.36 | uwp | I found several howtos on the net |
| 23:09.43 | tuxracer66 | uli_ something in /var/log/messages or /Var/log/XFree86 ? |
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| 23:09.51 | GrayThunder | routers have to pass ports 25 and 110 for any MTA to work |
| 23:09.56 | tarzeau | alcorrr: why do i have to? i know how smtp works and how router work |
| 23:10.00 | jim | uwp: read-only linux dists are one thing... supporting them is another |
| 23:10.01 | uwp | tarzeau: :) at least they do it as a sport out there |
| 23:10.04 | uli_ | ehm, what do you mena exactly? |
| 23:10.07 | tarzeau | alcorrr: can you just /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:10.07 | uli_ | mean* |
| 23:10.07 | jim | GrayThunder: 110? |
| 23:10.14 | uwp | and i'm doing it as a sport to hide myself :) |
| 23:10.28 | uli_ | but i guess XFree86 |
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| 23:10.38 | uwp | jim: at least the uml is a debian installation with only some packages |
| 23:10.50 | uwp | it's not a full distrbution |
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| 23:10.58 | uwp | the problem isn't the distribution |
| 23:10.58 | dondelelcaro | alcorrr: if you have just general questions about exim, try asking in #exim. |
| 23:11.07 | GrayThunder | yes 110, if users are to pick up their mail |
| 23:11.09 | uwp | my problem is the understanding of tun/tap devices and bridge |
| 23:11.11 | uwp | devices |
| 23:11.13 | alcorrr | dondelelcaro, nobody's said anything there for the last 4 hrs |
| 23:11.15 | jim | uwp: ok, well... as long as you're not asking help questions about it :P |
| 23:11.17 | cj_ | Ok, g'night folks... I can report it probably was a DMA issue... installation seem to be running nicely now. |
| 23:11.30 | uwp | right now i have 2 NICs in my PC: one for the internet and one for my internal network |
| 23:11.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: hey, do youi have a url for a more recent blootbot download? Mine corrupts package file downloads |
| 23:11.45 | uli_ | well i guess, i better get some sleep and try tomorrow again |
| 23:11.58 | uli_ | thanks folks, gud night |
| 23:11.59 | uwp | and now I don't know how to build such a beast inside a uml |
| 23:12.12 | jim | cafuego: bloot is on sf.net |
| 23:12.26 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?root=Blootbot has my version, and it's also on blootbot.sourceforge.net |
| 23:12.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: give me a sec to fix the permisions though... |
| 23:12.37 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Your cvs is borken <heh> |
| 23:12.50 | matt__ | borken... LOL |
| 23:13.13 | tarzeau | matt__: www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:13.33 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: oooher, i see on SF that there is already a php port. |
| 23:13.44 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 23:14.19 | cafuego | 'As of 2004-09-28 11:04, this project is no longer under active development' |
| 23:14.20 | cafuego | poo |
| 23:14.39 | matt__ | don't get it really. unless it is some joke on the lol acronym. in that case why not just say - "folks that use "lol" suck." |
| 23:14.39 | jim | which project? |
| 23:14.51 | cafuego | titanium-bot |
| 23:15.02 | dondelelcaro | why would anyone use php to write an IRC bot? the mind boggles. |
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| 23:15.18 | Petro | dondelelcaro: because they can |
| 23:15.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: anyway, it should be working now. |
| 23:15.30 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *nod* 't is - thanks :-) |
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| 23:15.41 | tarzeau | matt__: www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
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| 23:17.49 | tuxracer66 | tarzeau: i have a very big prob with this shitty package : can even not do a "dpkg --force-overwrite -i PACKAGE" -- exit status 1 |
| 23:17.50 | matt__ | Hey, I know what I can do. I can use cartoons to poke fun at people like a gay ass troll. hmm that would be neat. whatever Chauncey McChaunce. |
| 23:18.01 | tarzeau | tuxracer66: what is the package called? |
| 23:18.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell matt__ about gay |
| 23:18.16 | truth | i cant seem to get the same source version with apt-get source that i have installed from apt-get install, so can I download the source package and just ./configure with new flags and make && make install? |
| 23:18.23 | tarzeau | tuxracer66: did you try read up bugs.debian.org/package and add some cursing mail to it? |
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| 23:18.41 | tarzeau | matt__: come on ;) |
| 23:18.50 | tarzeau | matt__: yes "lol" usage sucks |
| 23:18.54 | tarzeau | !lolstats |
| 23:18.55 | tuxracer66 | frozen-bubble-data - the old broken package did have a install/deinstall script which the ne version does not have |
| 23:18.57 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 23:18.58 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19763 |
| 23:19.05 | tarzeau | heh |
| 23:19.43 | mikeX | ha |
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| 23:19.53 | tuxracer66 | tarzeau: since i have installed i cannot do a apt-get upgrade ! |
| 23:19.53 | matt__ | so what would like to see in place of "lol"? /me laughs? |
| 23:20.03 | jim | tuxracer66: why? |
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| 23:20.15 | tarzeau | matt__: heh |
| 23:20.29 | tarzeau | matt__: can i post a last funny picture? |
| 23:20.41 | tuxracer66 | jim as apt-get upgrade wants to reinstall / or deinstall the package and fails |
| 23:20.43 | shingouz | tarzeau: the n00b pic is nice :) |
| 23:20.55 | jim | tuxracer66: why? |
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| 23:21.15 | jim | why does it fail that is? |
| 23:21.22 | matt__ | now, to me that is lame. it sounds like the smug chuckle of some high horse riding dillhole. not a very genuine laugh really. |
| 23:21.46 | tuxracer66 | jim: package prozen-bubble-data does not contain anymore file - reinnstall is no more possible |
| 23:22.07 | dondelelcaro | matt__: yes, we all ride clydesdales here. |
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| 23:22.14 | tarzeau | matt__: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg is funny too, and www.linuks.mine.nu/magiceye.jpg |
| 23:22.15 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 23:22.15 | ecliptik | is del.icio.us down for anyone else? |
| 23:22.19 | jim | tuxracer66: what's prozen-bubble-data? |
| 23:22.22 | matt__ | not that lol is any better. but at least it is only the acronym describing the act of laughing and not some weak attempt at sounding out laughter. |
| 23:22.31 | cartel_ | anyone know where there are the full changelogs for 2.6 if any? |
| 23:22.41 | cartel_ | kernel 2.6 |
| 23:22.44 | tuxracer66 | jim: old package had a deinstall script which must de registered in the dpkg- database |
| 23:22.47 | shingouz | ...a clydessdale looks like a falabella under me... |
| 23:22.51 | truth | i cant seem to get the same source version with apt-get source that i have installed from apt-get install, so can I download the source package and just ./configure with new flags and make && make install? or should i apt-get remove php4 first? |
| 23:22.52 | ecliptik | cartel_, for debian kernels or vanilla? |
| 23:22.56 | tuxracer66 | frozen-bubble-data |
| 23:22.58 | cartel_ | vanilla |
| 23:23.14 | dondelelcaro | truth: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 23:23.21 | ecliptik | cartel_, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 23:23.35 | cartel_ | ecliptik, i want a full changelog file, not a bunch of small files |
| 23:23.42 | truth | dondelelcaro: i need to recompile php4 with java support basically |
| 23:23.47 | jim | tuxracer66: ahh, one thing you could try to do is alter the prerm and postrm scripts so they do what they can and don't fail |
| 23:24.05 | dondelelcaro | php4 has java support? |
| 23:24.08 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
| 23:24.17 | tuxracer66 | jim: should i build the package by myself ? |
| 23:24.21 | jim | tuxracer66: seems like this problem will keep you from installing packages |
| 23:24.22 | truth | someone told me apt-get source php4 ; the apt-get build-dep php4 |
| 23:24.33 | tuxracer66 | jim: yes |
| 23:24.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: You can call inline java in php, yes |
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| 23:25.12 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: insanity... |
| 23:25.15 | caphuso | that's slightly worse than calling inline brainfuck in perl |
| 23:25.17 | truth | basically apt-get install php4 didnt have the flags i needed ...when i do php -i it shows configure flags used which dont include --with-mysql or --with-java |
| 23:25.19 | jim | tuxracer66: no, you don't have to build the package, but you somehow have to get rid of it (you do want it gone, yes?) |
| 23:25.37 | truth | I assume thats my problem with awstats not working of course it could be my java install.... |
| 23:25.45 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: maybe, also handy for DBs that have jdbc but no php connectivity |
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| 23:26.02 | furrywolf | caphuso: what's that language where code flow can go left-right, right-left, up-down, or down-up? looks like brainfuck, but in 2d. :) |
| 23:26.05 | Delph | how can you run java... within... php? |
| 23:26.12 | Delph | egegegegeg *brainpop* |
| 23:26.21 | tuxracer66 | jim: thats my prob !!!!!!! |
| 23:26.28 | dondelelcaro | truth: yes, basically, you're going to apt-get source php4; apt-get build-dep php4; then change the configure options in debian/rules; rebuild the package, and install the java ld.so into a new package that you've defined in debian/control. |
| 23:26.30 | RichiH | furrywolf: neat idea |
| 23:26.41 | furrywolf | richih: not my idea, sadly |
| 23:26.53 | truth | well apt-get source gets a newer version that i do not want |
| 23:26.57 | tuxracer66 | jim : dpkg -P says: i have to reinstall it - even that fails |
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| 23:27.13 | dondelelcaro | truth: then get the older version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:27.20 | jim | tuxracer66: so you're presently stuck with trying to get the scripts to work |
| 23:27.26 | truth | done that follow from there ? |
| 23:27.33 | dondelelcaro | truth: you'll need the orig.tar.gz, the diff.gz, and the dsc. |
| 23:27.41 | truth | ok |
| 23:27.48 | jim | does it say "very bad inconsistant state"? |
| 23:27.49 | cafuego | truth: There might be a reason (bugs?) there is a new version. |
| 23:27.56 | furrywolf | if I recall correctly, it was brainfuck, but with characters to change code flow direction on a 2d layout... so it starts going left-right, then you get some character that makes code flow go down, etc. :) |
| 23:27.57 | dondelelcaro | truth: then dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd php4-*; fix things. |
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| 23:28.12 | tuxracer66 | jim: i think i will try tomorrow to build the package by myown |
| 23:28.15 | truth | cafuego: i understand but as things work now i dont want to mess it up at this time |
| 23:28.17 | caphuso | furrywolf: no idea |
| 23:28.37 | PerfDave | furrywolf: circuit |
| 23:28.51 | jim | tuxracer66: one moment... what is it you're trying to accomplish? |
| 23:28.56 | tuxracer66 | thanks for all suggestions - specially jim ! |
| 23:29.02 | dondelelcaro | truth: not that this has anything to do with awstats, since awstats (at least the version in debian) doesn't require java or php... |
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| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | !depends awstats |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | awstats: depends on perl, perl (>= 5.8.0-7) | libstorable-perl, perl (>= 5.8.0-7) | libtime-hires-perl |
| 23:29.37 | furrywolf | perfdave: hrmm. this looked more like a 2d brainfuck than what circuit seems to be. |
| 23:29.39 | truth | yes i was thinking maybe the problem is with my java install |
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| 23:29.49 | truth | i grabbed the sun java package |
| 23:29.50 | tuxracer66 | jim: i_ll try to build the package with a new install - script which is ignoring missing old files |
| 23:29.55 | truth | maybe i should look into that first |
| 23:30.00 | furrywolf | it could, in fact, have just been brainfuck with 2d additions... |
| 23:30.03 | truth | thx for the help dondelelcaro |
| 23:30.06 | tuxracer66 | jim : and then deinstall it propperly |
| 23:30.08 | jim | you're talking about building packages, and I'm talking about editing files... somehow we're getting our wires crossed, and my guess is it's me not understanding what you want to do overall |
| 23:30.39 | matt__ | java sucks |
| 23:30.45 | truth | the awstats page loads but the applets do not init |
| 23:30.47 | dondelelcaro | matt__: that's great. |
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| 23:30.57 | tuxracer66 | jim: which files should i edit ? the installed package does no more contain any files |
| 23:30.59 | matt__ | it really is isn't it? |
| 23:31.10 | dondelelcaro | truth: that's a function of your browser and the java install there, not awstats |
| 23:31.22 | jim | tuxracer66: one sec |
| 23:31.25 | truth | no instance needs to be running on the server? |
| 23:31.33 | dondelelcaro | truth: not for an applett, no. |
| 23:31.49 | jim | tuxracer66: the system does say the package exists and is installed? |
| 23:31.53 | truth | i will try connecting on another machine thx |
| 23:32.13 | tuxracer66 | jim mom ... |
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| 23:32.27 | jim | ? |
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| 23:32.42 | tuxracer66 | jim: iHR frozen-bubble-data 1.0.0-4 frozen-bubble-data spacesaver package |
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| 23:33.32 | Starfire | hi guys i had a quick question. my computer turns off after about 2 or 3 days of being on... can i fix this? |
| 23:34.25 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: depends why it's turning off. most likely culprit is bad hardware |
| 23:34.29 | furrywolf | starfire: might be a hardware problem. check power supply voltages, cpu temps, and if it's a p3 system, check for buldging capacitors. |
| 23:34.29 | chealer | a quick question, eh? :) |
| 23:34.31 | amorphix | hi guys, can anyone explain this to me.. I'm running an ftpd server, and when adduser they're able to move out of their home directory and view files on the system when using ftp.. how can i restrict them to their home directory? |
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| 23:34.58 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: you don't, typically speaking. If it's a big deal, use virtual users. |
| 23:35.39 | truth | thx dondelelcaro i see the java console error is class not found, i used java to create the class file but i think i need to figure out where to tell the server the classpath |
| 23:35.40 | Starfire | dondelelcaro, furrywolf: hmm... my laptop is old and probably has bad parts. i know it doesnt charge batterys properly but it just abruptly turns off sometimes.... your sure its not an OS option i can configure? |
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| 23:35.57 | tuxracer66 | jim: dpkg -L frozen-bubble-data gives no result (no files !) |
| 23:36.04 | furrywolf | starfire: I've very sure linux doesn't have an option for "randomly shut down every few days" |
| 23:36.13 | chealer | Starfire: haha |
| 23:36.24 | furrywolf | you're getting linux confused with windows |
| 23:36.39 | chealer | Starfire: if you're using winbloze, you could ask |
| 23:36.50 | Starfire | furrywolf, lol im sure your right, but might it have an option to shut down after x ammount of time... or not? |
| 23:36.51 | furrywolf | my laptop shuts down every time I pick it up from the right side without also supporting the left side. :) |
| 23:36.52 | chealer | sorry didn't read you furrywolf :) |
| 23:36.52 | jim | tuxracer66: look yourself at the output of: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/frozen-bubble-data* |
| 23:37.19 | Althaser | how can i reconfigure the .Xauthority ?? plzz |
| 23:37.22 | jim | furrywolf: damn, and I need that one! |
| 23:37.47 | furrywolf | jim: I'd guess the battery contacts are marginal. I have an easy fix: don't do that! :) |
| 23:38.11 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: there's not a OS option to control that... I'd suggest possibly replacing the battery or similar. |
| 23:38.16 | amorphix | dondelelcaro: but you cant have users reading your data files! |
| 23:38.22 | jim | Althaser: reconfigure? try logging out and back in again |
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| 23:38.43 | Althaser | jim i have erase it ;( |
| 23:38.46 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: uh, then you set the permisions on those datafiles correctly so that they can't. |
| 23:38.55 | amorphix | oops |
| 23:38.57 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: this is basic unix system administration here. |
| 23:39.06 | Starfire | chealer, dondelelcaro: its wierd because i always leave it plugged in and sometimes it just shuts off, and its usually after being on for a few days. i rarely turn it off... |
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| 23:39.09 | jim | Althaser: it will create again if you log in again, I think |
| 23:39.15 | tuxracer66 | jim: ah ok ! postrm and preinst are the scripts and *.list contains here nothing ! |
| 23:39.17 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: that's not even administration, that's user level |
| 23:39.37 | jim | tuxracer66: yes :) they get saved for you... |
| 23:39.43 | jim | try altering postrm |
| 23:39.53 | chealer | Starfire: and you have no clue? like how many times it happened, or what's going on when it happens? |
| 23:39.59 | Davey | how can I tell which IPs are bound to my NIC? |
| 23:40.08 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: well, not all that strange. Can your laptop work without its batter present? |
| 23:40.10 | jim | for one, try to get it to print stuff about what it's doing |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | valdyn: how does that font thing work again? |
| 23:41.07 | Davey | do I need to add a new "virtual NIC" for each IP? |
| 23:41.07 | Althaser | jim it not created ;( |
| 23:41.07 | tuxracer66 | jim: yes i see ... that will be the solution ! thanks jim a lot - will do that tomorrow- I am very tired now ( 1:40 local time here ) |
| 23:41.07 | jim | Althaser: what's it for? |
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| 23:41.31 | Starfire | dondelelcaro: yes it works on A/C power, and on battery power... i find my batterys drain rather quickly though. it is an old computer. by no means abused though. And it has happened about 6 or 8 times fyi chealer. |
| 23:41.38 | Althaser | when i do startx it does timedout because haven't .Xauthority |
| 23:41.41 | tuxracer66 | jim: i have no problems with scripts |
| 23:41.47 | jim | tuxracer66: like I was saying earlier... sleep first if you're tired... |
| 23:41.51 | tuxracer66 | bye at all ! |
| 23:42.01 | jim | tuxracer66: I was sensing that |
| 23:42.06 | tuxracer66 | jim: thanks a lot ! |
| 23:42.07 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: no, I mean, does it work if you physically have the battery removed? |
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| 23:42.49 | Starfire | dondelelcaro: hmm you mean does it still shut off, if im only using A/C? |
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| 23:43.01 | Starfire | in that case, yes. |
| 23:43.06 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: no. Take out the battery. Plug the laptop in. Does it work? |
| 23:43.21 | Starfire | yes >_< |
| 23:43.40 | gothtec | ... |
| 23:43.40 | cj_ | G'night all of you, thanks for the help. |
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| 23:43.52 | dondelelcaro | Starfire: ok... see if it switches off suddenly without the battery present. |
| 23:44.34 | Starfire | my power supply is fine, i believe... i didnt have the issue a few months ago with windows, but it was worth the reformat to linux, to spite this issue |
| 23:44.58 | shingouz | Starfire: your bios up to date? |
| 23:45.30 | Starfire | shingouz: most likely. no new BIOS for this old of a computer |
| 23:46.11 | shingouz | Starfire: have you actually checked on the manufacturers website, you may be surprised |
| 23:46.26 | gothtec | Starfire: if you have never, ever updated the BIOS, a new one might have come out a few years after it was made |
| 23:47.25 | Starfire | shingouz, gothtec, i update the BIOS every time a new one is released.... and i'll check, but im pretty sure this is the latest version. i know they have "fixed" power issues before with this model o_O |
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| 23:48.31 | Xenguy | er, GIMP printing problem |
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| 23:49.36 | shingouz | Starfire: iirc the IBM thinkpad 560 had some weirdness going on with the very latest bios if used with linux and IBM themselves suggested using the previous version in that case. maybe your computer has a similar problem then? do a careful google just in case |
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| 23:54.11 | sgeigerbot | Ah, ctrl-alt-end |
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