| 00:00.16 | Grant2 | ok so why aint none of my perl apps in the cgi-bin loading? |
| 00:00.30 | Grant2 | some one please care to explain? |
| 00:00.53 | travisat | they aren't executable? |
| 00:00.57 | dondelelcaro | Grant2: you're going to have to provide a whole lot more detail than that |
| 00:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Grant2: what does your log file say? |
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| 00:01.24 | Xenguy | Grant2: provide more details, and check yer permissions |
| 00:02.06 | Vme- | how can i get it so when I plug a USB device in or put a CDROM in, it automatically puts an icon on my desktop?? |
| 00:02.10 | EfaistOs | with proftp how to restart the ftp after a ftpshut ? |
| 00:02.13 | Xenguy | Grant2: and possibly your web server configuration |
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| 00:03.08 | travisat | Vme-: what desktop, |
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| 00:03.37 | m0r3 | hi all night |
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| 00:04.09 | brynjarh | Vme-, are you using stable, testing or unstable? |
| 00:04.32 | m0r3 | why my flight gear is not running very well...? its working very very vey slowlly |
| 00:04.34 | zno | I downloaded the kernel-source and kerne-patch-debian for the source, how do I apply the patch? |
| 00:04.42 | travisat | Vme-: in gnome in testing, it should do that |
| 00:05.04 | Vme- | SID |
| 00:05.12 | Vme- | well, i have one with Sarge as well |
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| 00:05.30 | anhi | zno: they shoud be @ /usr/src, go there, unpack them, patch them, compile em |
| 00:05.32 | brynjarh | travisat, after installing testing plus X plus GNOME, automatic mounting does not work without doing any extra configurations. |
| 00:05.44 | brynjarh | Vme-, try putting your user into the plugdev group. |
| 00:05.47 | m0r3 | ok back later |
| 00:05.55 | Sontek | Are there any good Linux Control panels that are free? I want to setup a Free Server where people can register and tell the server their domain and have freehosting and email. |
| 00:05.55 | zno | anhi: there's a "debian" shell script, I assume I run that? |
| 00:05.55 | m0r3 | ~s~ |
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| 00:05.57 | brynjarh | Vme-, if your using SID, it should work. |
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| 00:06.23 | anhi | zno: couldn't tell, allways built my kernels from vanilla source + patches |
| 00:06.48 | osric | What's the package name I should be using with dpkg-reconfigure to configure X? |
| 00:06.51 | travisat | well thats what I did on my dads box and the cd worked like a charm |
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| 00:07.15 | Vme- | also, i don't have a monitor hooked up to one of my boxes, is there anyway i can get some sort of Xclient for windows? |
| 00:07.29 | foob4rt | osric: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 00:07.35 | foob4rt | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:07.40 | osric | Thanks |
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| 00:07.49 | nevyn | Vme-: there are several |
| 00:07.53 | travisat | Vme-: vnc |
| 00:07.59 | Vme- | is it freen? |
| 00:08.00 | Vme- | free? |
| 00:08.12 | anhi | i would have said xserver-common :/ |
| 00:08.20 | nevyn | Vme-: however it might be easier to use a vnc xserver on your linux machine and a vnc client on your windows machine |
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| 00:08.25 | alus | so how do I get modules.conf to be processed on boot? |
| 00:08.35 | alus | because it doesn't seem like it is right now |
| 00:08.37 | nevyn | Vme-: xfree86 is free and availible from the cygwin people. |
| 00:08.40 | anhi | osric: while you are working on your X consider upgrading to xorg |
| 00:08.54 | nevyn | Vme-: the windows port that is. |
| 00:08.56 | EfaistOs | with proftp how to restart the ftp after a ftpshut ? |
| 00:09.17 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/blah restart sometimes |
| 00:09.37 | RedPenguin | Just out of curiousity, if I have two NIC cards configured with ifconfig and I download something, is it using just eth0 or both of them? |
| 00:09.37 | jetscreamer | unless that's not what you mean |
| 00:09.50 | jetscreamer | RedPenguin, for both, see bridge |
| 00:09.53 | Vme- | if i do a 'apt-cache search vnc' i get quite a few option |
| 00:09.54 | osric | anhi: Yeh? How? |
| 00:09.54 | Vme- | s |
| 00:09.56 | Vme- | options |
| 00:10.01 | Vme- | which one should i be looking for? |
| 00:10.23 | PR- | can anybody help me with my tv card? (pvtv with saa7134) |
| 00:10.23 | anhi | osric: either build xorg from the source or try the ubuntu packages, there are plenty howtos around if you look at google |
| 00:10.35 | anhi | i built mine from the CVS, works fine |
| 00:10.42 | osric | anhi: Sounds far to much like hard work, but thanks anyway |
| 00:10.43 | PR- | saa7134[0]/audio: audio carrier scan failed, using 5.500 MHz [default] |
| 00:10.54 | foob4rt | Vme-: sudo apt-get install vncserver; sudo /usr/bin/vncpasswd; sudo /usr/bin/realvncserver; dpkg --listfiles vncserver; ps aux | grep vnc; sudo lsof -i :5900 |
| 00:11.39 | travisat | Vme-: you need to put the vnc server on the linux box, and a vnc viewer/client on the windows box |
| 00:12.01 | RedPenguin | jetscreamer, I am getting many results for bridging, including ebtables |
| 00:12.08 | RedPenguin | I just want to make sure I am on the right track |
| 00:12.49 | RedPenguin | Oh wait, it must be NetFilter bridge |
| 00:13.27 | x-256 | i have this Ubuntu desktop that's running off of debian. what tool should I use to change the Xserver from running on Vesa/FB, to the native hardware drivers? (as opposed to editing XF86COnfig by hand) |
| 00:13.59 | travisat | x-256: errr, edit XF86Config-4 by hand |
| 00:14.01 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite x-256 |
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| 00:14.02 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon x-256. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:14.40 | Kbyte | x-256: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you use debian... |
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| 00:16.12 | alus | is there a way to get sudo to never prompt me for a password? |
| 00:16.21 | RedPenguin | I think I found it under kernel/net/bridge |
| 00:16.22 | alus | me a specific user |
| 00:16.25 | MobyTurbo | alus: yes |
| 00:16.36 | alus | awesome |
| 00:16.53 | alus | oh hey I forgot to ask: what is it? |
| 00:17.11 | MobyTurbo | alus: if you need to ask then you shouldn't |
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| 00:17.32 | paulswm | alus: man sudoers |
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| 00:17.53 | im_ka | hi |
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| 00:18.10 | alus | paulswm: thanks |
| 00:18.15 | paulswm | alus: yw |
| 00:18.38 | alus | MobyTurbo: that's a strange policy you have there |
| 00:18.59 | Vme- | ps aux | grep vnc |
| 00:18.59 | Vme- | root 13007 0.3 1.8 9008 4812 pts/0 S 18:12 0:00 Xvnc :1 -desktop debian:1 (root) -auth /root/.Xauthority -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 -rfbwait 30000 -rfbauth /root/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5901 -pn -fp unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dp |
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| 00:19.10 | Vme- | i see that it is running |
| 00:19.12 | im_ka | for some reason, my netgear router doesnt get an ip assigned from my isp. i changed my laptops mac to match the one of the netgear router, and im online now (with dhcp). does anyone have a clue what could cause this? |
| 00:19.13 | Vme- | but i can't connect |
| 00:19.24 | MobyTurbo | alus: it is only one that I use for questions about losening security and the like |
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| 00:20.09 | callipygous | hey, I updated my woody to testing, and now when I boot I get multiple "mount wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on empfs, or too many mounted file systems" cus if anybody knows why i get this annoying message, i'd be relieved |
| 00:20.17 | pureone | im_ka did they have the same mac? |
| 00:20.22 | Vme- | is it because i'm logged in as root? |
| 00:21.07 | im_ka | pureone not originally. but i changed the mac of this machine to verify that the internet connection here is okay. the isp provides the service for one mac only |
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| 00:23.22 | pureone | if your nated your isp shouldnt be able to see the mac of your machine but only that of the router |
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| 00:24.34 | aestik | If I am on DeMuDi, is there a program that I can use to access AIM |
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| 00:24.58 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 00:24.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:25.30 | Kbyte | mmm lindows is debian based? |
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| 00:25.41 | PR- | can anyone give me a and with my tv card? |
| 00:25.59 | aestik | even so, does anywhere have an idea for me. I wasn't sure were else to go |
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| 00:26.42 | tull | hello |
| 00:26.50 | tull | how do i set kde to be my default window manager? |
| 00:26.54 | tull | i keep coming into gnome |
| 00:27.27 | michal_ | i'm having trouble creating a passwordless user for samba under latest stable debian |
| 00:27.37 | michal_ | anyone know if this is possible? |
| 00:27.50 | aestik | Perhaops an alternate place I should be looking for an AIM client for demudi? |
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| 00:28.43 | abrotman | aestik: apt-cache search aim |
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| 00:28.47 | abrotman | it may have something already |
| 00:29.01 | michal_ | setting password to none seems to act like disabling the account |
| 00:29.02 | aestik | will do |
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| 00:29.40 | blue_ | what about gaim? |
| 00:29.49 | pureone | mmm gaims good |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | blue_: he's using demudi .. no way to tell if gaim is available |
| 00:30.08 | blue_ | just suggesting, i have no clue what demudi is |
| 00:30.12 | aestik | I tried gaim but I saw nothing for debian based |
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| 00:30.20 | abrotman | it's a media centered debian derivative |
| 00:30.27 | d3s | When I tried a theme using gtk-themes-switch.. I found this error (gtk-theme-switch2:2592): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | W1thdraw: gonna stay this time ? |
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| 00:31.14 | blue_ | there definatly a gaim for debian though |
| 00:31.25 | aestik | oh? I will check again. |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | blue_: yes .. we know .. but it's not debian .. it's demudi |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | apt-cache search aim |
| 00:31.34 | aestik | heh |
| 00:31.42 | blue_ | im telling him "I tried gaim but I saw nothing for debian based" |
| 00:31.43 | aestik | how exactly |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | heh nothing .. it's not debian |
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| 00:31.53 | abrotman | aestik: in a terminal |
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| 00:32.01 | thorie | hi |
| 00:32.02 | aestik | I'm rather new to this whole linux deal |
| 00:32.09 | thorie | how do i install a perl module? |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | #perl |
| 00:32.16 | pipeline | aestik: You're not going to the gaim site, are you? |
| 00:32.23 | aestik | no |
| 00:32.30 | thorie | nobody wants to help me in #perl |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | aestik: apt-cache search aim |
| 00:32.37 | aestik | I'm not currently going anywhere. heh. |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | thorie: it's the right place to ask .. this is not |
| 00:32.48 | stew | thorie: pretty much any perl module installable from cpan is apt-gettable |
| 00:32.52 | stew | thorie: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:32.55 | blue_ | aestik: click around and find a console or terminal |
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| 00:33.31 | shika | I've a situation where I need to edit /etc/passwd as non root in my script.. How do I do that?? |
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| 00:33.33 | blue_ | if your not root try su root password |
| 00:33.38 | robin_z | aestik: if you are "currently not going anywhere" .. have you considered registering yourself as a project on sourceforge? |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | he doesn't have to be root to search |
| 00:34.06 | nevyn | shika: you don't |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | blue_: oh .. sorry .. i thought you were telling aestik |
| 00:34.35 | aestik | Meh. I'll get this worked out. Thanks for the help. |
| 00:34.49 | nevyn | shika: you write a small change manager that is suid root and call it from your script with the change which it then sanity checks and applies |
| 00:34.54 | shika | The script is now owned by 'root'.. Bu tI need to somehow edit passwd file.. using some SETUID mechanism?? |
| 00:35.18 | nevyn | what are you trying to do. |
| 00:35.27 | nevyn | why are you manually modifying the passwd file? |
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| 00:35.47 | blue_ | abrotman: whats the point of searching if you can't download........ |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | blue_: maybe he doesn't know root and he has to have his mom install his software? |
| 00:36.25 | shika | Am trying to control Root access to the user.. User can enable/disable Root access... For this I should be able to edit the /etc/passwd file from ym script |
| 00:36.40 | PerfDave | shika: What are you ultimately trying to do? |
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| 00:36.52 | blue_ | well in that case i would suggest windows |
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| 00:37.35 | abrotman | blue_: why .. it's better than sharing root ... |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | which is .. just like windows :) |
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| 00:38.24 | shika | guys.. I just want to be able to edit /etc/passwd as non root from my script |
| 00:38.38 | blue_ | isn't it much better to take the likely road than the 99% not road |
| 00:38.44 | nevyn | shika: WHY ARE YOU EDITING /etc/passwd? |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | shika: we know .. you already told us |
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| 00:39.14 | shika | Just answer if you know.. |
| 00:39.18 | nevyn | so you want normal users to do stuff as root? |
| 00:39.20 | nevyn | use sudo |
| 00:39.38 | doneill | or just su -c |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | shika: #bash |
| 00:39.48 | dbron | hi all, I am using mondo in stable and get this question "Which boot.b file do you want to use?" I am using lilo but don't really know how to answer that question and also don't want cron to fail on that, anyone know what to do with that? |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | #bash is the correct place to ask |
| 00:39.54 | nevyn | shika: you need to be aware that /etc/passwd on most sane system is interdependant with /etc/shadow and that if you make it inconsistant that's bad. |
| 00:40.15 | doneill | dbron, install |
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| 00:40.25 | doneill | err menu |
| 00:40.28 | doneill | buh. |
| 00:41.33 | PerfDave | shika: You're trying to do something which is impossible and is likely to break your system. There are almost certainly existing alternative methods to achieve what you're trying to achieve. |
| 00:41.41 | shika | well.. I 've a sitiuation where the user wants "root" access for a while and disable it after use... .. Am trying to write a script.. |
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| 00:41.43 | abrotman | #bash |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | #bash |
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| 00:41.51 | xenwryly` | I'm trying to send logs from multiple zope instances on the same host to a remote log server and still be able to easily browse just one instances log entries. What software would you all recommend for the log server? |
| 00:42.08 | nevyn | shika: sudo is the correct answer. |
| 00:42.12 | dbron | xenwryly`: sysklogd |
| 00:42.15 | PerfDave | shika: Why does your user want root access? Do you trust them? Do they need it for a specific time or for a specific purpose? |
| 00:42.31 | PerfDave | shika: as nevyn said, sudo is almost certainly what you want. |
| 00:42.42 | dbron | xenwryly`: sorry syslog-ng |
| 00:42.56 | PerfDave | shika: How were you planning on temporarily granting root access by hand-editing /etc/passwd? |
| 00:43.01 | shika | It's purely needed for debug purposes.. Once they are done, they need to disable the root access.. |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | they need root to debug ? |
| 00:43.21 | blue_ | why not just change the password... |
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| 00:43.23 | nevyn | shika: to debug an application? |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | and what does that have to do with /etc/passwd ? |
| 00:43.28 | xenwryly` | dbron: ok, that's what its currently running, but I can't find a way to differentiate between the log messages from different instances coming from the same host. Any suggestions? |
| 00:43.30 | nevyn | shika: to read log files? |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | shika: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:43.46 | BhaalWK | Anyone got opinions on the best PCI PATA RAID card to use with linux? Thats fully supported? |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | PCI pata ? |
| 00:44.03 | BhaalWK | ATA |
| 00:44.04 | shika | guys.. please.. just let me know a way to edit /etc/passwd being not root in my script.. |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | shika: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:44.08 | BhaalWK | Parrallel ATA |
| 00:44.10 | BhaalWK | PATA |
| 00:44.16 | abrotman | i know what it is .. thanks |
| 00:44.40 | PerfDave | shika: THERE IS NO WAY TO EDIT /etc/passwd WITHOUT ROOT |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | shika: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:44.49 | PerfDave | shika: YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM IF YOU TRY |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | PerfDave: i don't think he's on debian |
| 00:44.53 | PerfDave | shika: USE SUDO |
| 00:44.53 | nevyn | shika: if you asked for a knife and we knew you were going to stab yourself in the face with it would it be really responcible for us to give it to you? |
| 00:44.56 | shika | setuid way?? |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | shika: are you using debian? |
| 00:45.07 | nevyn | setuid is using root. |
| 00:45.13 | buckfunk | folks what do people use to burn dvd's ? for cd recording i use xcdroast |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | !dvdrwtools |
| 00:45.24 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:45.40 | jetscreamer | dvd+rwtools isn't it |
| 00:45.47 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 00:45.49 | PerfDave | PATA is the new name for what used to be called IDE, to differentiate it from SATA which also uses IDE. Drives previously referred to as "IDE drives" are now known as "PATA drives". This is confusing and annoying. |
| 00:45.50 | buckfunk | but the situation gets kinda comlicated with all this cdrecordprodvd stuff it requires |
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| 00:45.51 | abrotman | !info dvdrwtools sid |
| 00:45.52 | jetscreamer | !listkeys dvd |
| 00:45.52 | dbron | xenwryly`: not sure about that, a unique ip has been enough for me, you might be able to specify custom classes for the alerts on the log client, then syslog-ng can break it out from there |
| 00:45.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dvd' by key (12): dvd+rw ;; start a dvd war ;; dvd ;; dvd-linux ;; dvdrecord ;; dvd cca ;; xine-dvd-css ;; dvd-audio ;; rip dvd ;; libdvdcss ;; dvdripping ;; dvda. |
| 00:46.05 | EricNeon | hi all! |
| 00:46.09 | cat | EricNeon: hi there |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | !info dvdtools |
| 00:46.13 | PerfDave | !hi EricNeon |
| 00:46.14 | dpkg | Many greetings, EricNeon, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | i give up |
| 00:46.29 | buckfunk | and the only frontend is k3b ? |
| 00:46.29 | xenwryly` | dbron: k, thanks |
| 00:46.39 | EricNeon | hey PerfDave |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | PerfDave: see .. don't think he was using debian :) |
| 00:46.54 | jetscreamer | dvd+rw-tools: (DVD+-RW/R tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.21.4.10.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 00:46.57 | cat | !Http |
| 00:46.57 | dpkg | well, http is Hypertext Transfer Protocol (RFC 2616), the protocol used between a web browser and a web server. |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: make the name a wee bit more confusing eh ? |
| 00:47.09 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm done caring ;) |
| 00:47.26 | jetscreamer | Noid, but the mostly best front end is k3b, ymmv, sic transit gloria mundi |
| 00:47.34 | jetscreamer | errr no, not noid |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:48.10 | jetscreamer | nononono |
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| 00:50.59 | Vme- | how do i change windows manager with VNC? if i use 'vncserver' it gives me gnome with a small screen, if i use vnc4server i get some other WM and a big screen?? |
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| 00:56.08 | serialkiller | i need to write a script to addusers to my box, but i havent had any success. i habe tried adduser but it doesnt have a password switch, useradd i can get to add the user, but i cannot log in to ftp, newusers works but you have to type newusers then enter the information. I want 1 command line that does it all... any ideas? |
| 00:56.43 | WiFiTux | Hi, someone in Canada here? Ottawa? |
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| 00:56.55 | doneill | kelowna bc... |
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| 00:57.23 | WiFiTux | doneill, Can i go to quebec and go in bus to Ottawa? |
| 00:57.46 | WiFiTux | OLS |
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| 00:57.57 | doneill | no idea |
| 00:58.08 | WiFiTux | doneill, !?!!! |
| 00:58.11 | WiFiTux | k |
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| 00:58.46 | abrotman | WiFiTux: fly right to ottaaw |
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| 00:59.13 | WiFiTux | abrotman, $$ |
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| 00:59.22 | abrotman | WiFiTux: time |
| 00:59.26 | Ronin | ya but teh bus WiFiTux? ewww |
| 00:59.28 | WiFiTux | who cares |
| 00:59.36 | WiFiTux | Ronin, $$ |
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| 00:59.44 | sgeigerbot` | !+lart abrotman |
| 00:59.46 | WiFiTux | I'm flying from Costa Rica |
| 00:59.56 | WiFiTux | Hey Solaris is good |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: you're still mad eh? |
| 00:59.57 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: your english is horrible |
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| 01:00.01 | Ronin | what the heck are you coming up here for then? its still winter up here |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: f off |
| 01:00.10 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: no. |
| 01:00.11 | WiFiTux | Ronin, OLS |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | WiFiTux: did you even check the price of a bus? |
| 01:00.27 | WiFiTux | abrotman, no |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: the price of bus+plane could be more than plane to ottawa |
| 01:00.45 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: No, I'm not. You weren't very nice, though. I think this means no more Kentucky-fried kitten for you. |
| 01:00.47 | dambodog | i am trying to upgrade from woody to unstable. i just got the following error when trying to upgrade |
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| 01:00.56 | dambodog | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 01:00.59 | dambodog | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
| 01:01.03 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: works for me |
| 01:01.23 | dambodog | i have tried to apt-get -f install |
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| 01:01.55 | dambodog | that did not work. just ran again and told me that a bunch of pkgs will be install i chose Y and still rec. the same error |
| 01:02.12 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you going? |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | WiFiTux: dunno yet |
| 01:02.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I'll give you $$ |
| 01:02.25 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: why would you do that instead of flying right to ottawa |
| 01:02.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman, $$$$$$$ |
| 01:02.57 | WiFiTux | NY ticket $400 Ottawa ticket $700 |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it can't be that much more |
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| 01:03.14 | abrotman | WiFiTux: montreal? |
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| 01:03.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I'll rather give you $120 |
| 01:03.18 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:03.41 | WiFiTux | abrotman, well, that's what I'm looking a close place to Ottawa that might be cheaper |
| 01:04.03 | WiFiTux | abrotman, Montreal or Toronto are near ottawa |
| 01:04.04 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 01:04.19 | WiFiTux | sgaygerbot |
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| 01:04.37 | brk | abrotman: train to toronto, rent a car... much cheaper!! |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | WiFiTux: remember .. my boss isn't paying for me |
| 01:04.54 | WiFiTux | brk, you should be telling me |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | brk: smuggle drugs .. make money! |
| 01:05.03 | WiFiTux | abrotman, mine niether! |
| 01:05.42 | WiFiTux | ws |
| 01:05.44 | WiFiTux | es |
| 01:06.06 | brk | lessie, 120 seats on a plane... |
| 01:06.08 | sgeigerbot` | !+srt WiFiTux |
| 01:06.14 | brk | 40 mule teams |
| 01:06.17 | WiFiTux | uuyy |
| 01:06.19 | brk | what a haul! |
| 01:06.28 | WiFiTux | brk, you going to OLS |
| 01:06.29 | serialkiller | anyone good with adduser? |
| 01:06.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, where are you again |
| 01:06.34 | brk | nope |
| 01:06.39 | WiFiTux | brk, buu |
| 01:06.45 | serialkiller | i need help figurign out how to pass a password to it |
| 01:06.50 | WiFiTux | serialkiller, "adduser" |
| 01:07.01 | WiFiTux | brk, uuh |
| 01:07.03 | brk | kids |
| 01:07.05 | brk | wife |
| 01:07.06 | serialkiller | no, that asks for password |
| 01:07.10 | brk | no funds |
| 01:07.19 | sgeigerbot` | serialkiller: echo "sgeiger:foobar" | chpasswd |
| 01:07.27 | WiFiTux | brk, geez and I'm going from Costa Rica |
| 01:07.31 | serialkiller | i need to do it from the command line |
| 01:07.41 | serialkiller | when the account is created |
| 01:07.54 | sgeigerbot` | serialkiller: use what I gave you on the next line of your script. |
| 01:07.56 | WiFiTux | peace |
| 01:08.10 | brk | We all have time off, just don't think they want to spend spring vacation that close to the arctic circle. |
| 01:08.16 | serialkiller | ok |
| 01:08.18 | serialkiller | will try |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | he just runs |
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| 01:09.12 | brk | woof |
| 01:09.20 | brk | are that maNY? |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | brk: english! |
| 01:09.31 | NaRCoT | When I start KDE I get an error: 'cannot load applet' What should I do ? |
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| 01:09.36 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 01:09.37 | dambodog | ideas how to resolve this one? : Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-2_i386.deb |
| 01:09.38 | dambodog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.15 | brk | i NOW HAVE ONE CORE3 SYSTEM LEFT TO GET RID OF. |
| 01:10.16 | abrotman | need a better error |
| 01:10.27 | brk | crappy kb too! |
| 01:10.31 | dambodog | abrotman, are you talking to me? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:11.14 | NaRCoT | dambodog: I just got rid of this error couple of hours ago. just update your 'sources.list' then 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get upgrade' 'apt-get dist-upgrade'... |
| 01:11.19 | dambodog | abrotman, hmm.. error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdbm3_1.8.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
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| 01:11.38 | abrotman | dambodog: better error needed :) |
| 01:11.54 | Sero | Someone told me to copy the X86 file from Knoppix intoo Debian because I couldn't get X configured right can anyone tell me what file that is? |
| 01:11.56 | dambodog | abrotman, :) |
| 01:11.57 | NaRCoT | dambodog: I forgot before all of that, run 'apt-get clean' & 'apt-get autoclean' |
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| 01:12.41 | Big_Wolf | abrotman: ah, you live near me |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | Big_Wolf: i do :) |
| 01:12.53 | Big_Wolf | where at? |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | Big_Wolf: i even worked at the capital building for a while ... between KoP and Reading |
| 01:13.10 | NaRCoT | When I start KDE I get an error: 'cannot load applet' What should I do ? |
| 01:13.17 | sgeigerbot` | Sero: Very Easy X Setup (video, mouse, keyboard): Use Knoppix to boot your machine and then do: "sudo su; mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt; mv /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4-backup-on`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p`; cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4; umount /mnt; reboot" ...and take the CD out before you reboot. ;-) |
| 01:13.25 | dambodog | NaRCoT, i am getting the error that there depnd: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:13.32 | brk | is there a way to download a debian setup image on this core3 and tell grub to boot to it instead of core3? |
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| 01:13.39 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: #knoppix :) |
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| 01:13.48 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: #ass |
| 01:13.48 | Sero | sgeigerbot', thanks. |
| 01:13.52 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: you love me :) |
| 01:13.53 | sgeigerbot` | Sero: np |
| 01:14.03 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: Yes, master. |
| 01:14.14 | dambodog | abrotman, i have tried to upgrade from woody to unstable. after the upgrade i tried to reinstall openwebmail. it had lots of depnd. |
| 01:14.39 | NaRCoT | dambodog: Try running 'apt-get -f install' |
| 01:14.41 | dambodog | abrotman, i started installing all the various pkgs that were needed and it craped out in the middle of the install |
| 01:14.50 | dambodog | NaRCoT, i ahve tried that. |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | dambodog: you really should have gone to testing frst |
| 01:14.58 | Flimzy | I want to do a password-less SSH between two machines with NFS-shared /home directories. Is there anything bad about putting the pub key of both machines in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file? There won't be any silly problems caused by the local pub key appearing there, will there? |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | dambodog: try aptitude upgrade |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | err |
| 01:15.07 | vladster | does sarge use oss or alsa by default |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | dambodog: try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:15.19 | dambodog | NaRCoT, i am getting the following error.. |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | vladster: depends on the kernel you use i think |
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| 01:15.38 | puff | So I'm shopping for a thinkpad, to run debian. |
| 01:15.47 | puff | Thinking about the new T43p. Any coments/ |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | puff: i love my G40 |
| 01:15.57 | vladster | it install with the 2.4 but I put in the 2.6 after the install |
| 01:15.59 | puff | comments or suggestions on the machine, pricing, etc? |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | puff: if that's what you want .. talk to wifitux .. i think he just bought one |
| 01:16.16 | dambodog | abrotman, well.. it is going to take about an hour now... :./ |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | dambodog: ok |
| 01:16.26 | puff | One thing... I keep hearing different stories on screen size, I want 15", is that doable? |
| 01:16.32 | abrotman | Big_Wolf: hehe |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | puff: that's what i have .. works fine |
| 01:17.05 | puff | What I *want* is a milspec ruggedized thinkpad with multi-mode clamshell/tablet configuration, but I can't have that :-). |
| 01:17.12 | abrotman | Big_Wolf: i don't think he gets it |
| 01:17.18 | dambodog | abrotman, would that keep my conf. files that i have already setup prior to the upgrade? |
| 01:17.20 | vladster | from as nears as I can tell, I think it is running oss |
| 01:17.30 | dambodog | abrotman, or would that erase/remove them>? |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | dambodog: it should . i don't use aptitude |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | dambodog: it should at least keep a backup |
| 01:17.57 | puff | So far I'm thinking the best price I can get is at the CMU computer store, but I'm getting conflicting reports on whether that's 15" or 14". |
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| 01:18.05 | dambodog | abrotman, ok |
| 01:18.16 | alfi | hi |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | puff: just find an IBM employee |
| 01:18.24 | alfi | is there anyone alive? |
| 01:18.25 | vladster | what is the way to check if you are running alsa or not |
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| 01:18.35 | abrotman | puff: or go to the Church Brewery and get drunk .. |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | decisions .. decisions |
| 01:19.07 | toresbe | heh |
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| 01:19.24 | abrotman | toresbe: yu're not allowed |
| 01:19.34 | puff | http://www.pastebin.com/248612 |
| 01:19.46 | puff | abrotman: Church Brewworks? Nah, I prefer beer. |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | puff: they make beer |
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| 01:20.00 | abrotman | and not that IC light crap |
| 01:20.03 | puff | abrotman: :-) Actually their brew ain't bad, but not as good as their prices. |
| 01:20.14 | puff | abrotman: You're in the burgh? |
| 01:20.22 | puff | I'll invite you by for a homebrew, one of these days. |
| 01:20.23 | bizarro_paco | hi everyone |
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| 01:20.36 | toresbe | it would have.... 16 registers... and would be reeeeally CISC |
| 01:20.42 | puff | toresbe: I want to build a magic 8-ball. |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | puff: my brother is .. lives in moon or whatever it is .. my other brother owns a house off blvd of the allies .. |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | puff: i'm on the other side of the state |
| 01:21.21 | bizarro_paco | trying to get my lights going on my wpc54g wireless card....i installed the correct drivers using ndis wrapper, but the message says "hardware not present." |
| 01:21.29 | puff | With an LCD screen, voice recognition, 802.11 so it takes your questiod, feeds it to google's "I feel lucky", then does a text analysis on the resulting page to boil it down to one of the eight 8-ball answers. |
| 01:21.37 | alfi | does anyone have experience mountin a pen-drive? |
| 01:21.47 | nevyn | sure |
| 01:21.51 | puff | abrotman: I'm just a hop, skip and a jump from there... off baum. So the brew works isin my back yard (about ten blocks away). |
| 01:22.04 | puff | http://www.pastebin.com/248612 |
| 01:22.05 | Ronin | win 11 |
| 01:22.09 | Ronin | oops |
| 01:22.09 | puff | That's the CMU store prices. |
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| 01:22.16 | puff | Unless somebody has an IBM employee in their back pocket... |
| 01:22.19 | puff | Hm. |
| 01:22.37 | abrotman | puff: can you get the +T43 with 15" and 1GB ? |
| 01:22.42 | alfi | nevyn: that "sure" was for me? |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | puff: i know one :) |
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| 01:23.10 | nevyn | alfi: yeah usually I just plug it in and it works tho. |
| 01:23.35 | puff | abrotman: I'm not sure about those specs, I keep hearing yes, then no. |
| 01:23.49 | gurran | hi ppl does any one know the name of the mass deployment tool alike "Total commander" for debian ? |
| 01:23.49 | chocobobby | Does anyone know about the default isa support in the sarge 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:23.50 | puff | abrotman: Oh, good, can he get me a discounted price? |
| 01:23.50 | alfi | nevyn: when i mount it i get an input/ouput error |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | puff: be nice if you could get a spec on that a/b/g card |
| 01:24.03 | alfi | nevyn: what kernel do you have? |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | puff: it's like 6% off i think |
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| 01:24.12 | nevyn | alfi: 2.6.10 |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | puff: your school might do better |
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| 01:24.48 | puff | abrotman: Hm... might, yeah. What I'm wondering on that pastebin spec... if I can a) get 15" screen and b) drop the RAM and buy some reasonably-priced RAM through Crucial. |
| 01:24.58 | puff | I've heard IBM gouges on their RAM prices. |
| 01:25.03 | alfi | nevyn: i have an 2.4.7, do you that's maybe the problem? |
| 01:25.10 | gurran | hi ppl does any one know the name of the mass deployment tool alike "Total commander" for debian ? |
| 01:25.10 | nevyn | alfi: probably not. |
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| 01:25.26 | abrotman | puff: dunno . i got a 512MB stick for like 70$ at best buy to upgrade mine |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | maybe it was .. 90$ |
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| 01:25.45 | bizarro_paco | i saw this sweet hp laptop at cicruit city today...but the 2500 dolla price tag made me continue to walk. |
| 01:25.48 | alfi | nevyn: mi device is not a pen drive, is an mp3 player/pen diver |
| 01:25.48 | gurran | NOBODY ? |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | gurran: FAI ? |
| 01:26.02 | nevyn | alfi: and? |
| 01:26.02 | gurran | thx ill check that out |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | i don't know what total commander is |
| 01:26.08 | nevyn | alfi: it'll be usb mass storage. |
| 01:26.11 | alfi | nevyn: but that does not make any diference, don'y they? |
| 01:26.19 | gurran | were can i get FAI |
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| 01:26.30 | abrotman | !fai |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | i guess fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/, or at #fai |
| 01:26.31 | tzafrir_home | apt-cache search fai |
| 01:26.38 | ghast | how many floppies do you need for floppy install of debian? |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | ghast: if you're lucky .. 2 |
| 01:27.07 | jcole | anyone here use anjuta with cvs? |
| 01:27.10 | chocobobby | ghast but you probably need 4 more for the the driver set also so a total of 6 |
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| 01:27.17 | ghast | thanks |
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| 01:27.20 | puff | Okay, time to roll. |
| 01:27.22 | tzafrir_home | anybody here uses mini-installd ? |
| 01:27.29 | clcont | has anyone used amavisd-new+spamassassin+clamav+postfix and done any benchmarks? |
| 01:27.34 | alfi | nevyn: i know, i'm juts saying, y don't know how to interpretate this input/ouput error |
| 01:27.36 | bizarro_paco | how are you abrotman? are you still suffering the archaic computer blues? |
| 01:27.37 | puff | abrotman: Thanks for the advice. I'll be back when I have the hardware :-). |
| 01:27.39 | jcole | i'm trying to figure out how to checkout a project with out logging in... sam as i do with eclipse |
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| 01:27.50 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: i think you have me confused with someone else |
| 01:28.06 | Xenguy | bizarro_paco: linux is the cure for that ;-) |
| 01:28.07 | nevyn | alfi: an input output error is a bit vague. show me the actual error in a pastebin of your choosing. |
| 01:28.12 | NaRCoT | Is there a chance anyone here might know how to fix KDE applets (teskbar, etc') cause they don't know on #KDE..... |
| 01:28.24 | bizarro_paco | abrotman..oops, sorry... |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: what kind of archaic hardware do i have ? |
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| 01:29.18 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, i thought you were telling me a ,onth ago that you had a really old box...sorry, it must have been someone else. |
| 01:29.21 | alfi | nevyn: i dont have the drive here, but it's just /dev/sda1 input/ouput error |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: definitely not me |
| 01:29.34 | nevyn | alfi: what happened before that. |
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| 01:29.50 | NaRCoT | exit |
| 01:29.52 | nevyn | alfi: without the specifics from the log (not your memory) it's difficult to help. |
| 01:29.52 | Thaiger | I'm looking for software that will let me fillin PDFs, any advice? |
| 01:30.10 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, i think this ndis wrapper has been driving me soooo crazy, i get people confused...LOL |
| 01:30.11 | nevyn | Thaiger: if you find something let me know? :) |
| 01:30.13 | chocobobby | ghost script maybe |
| 01:30.18 | Xenguy | Thaiger: "fillin" ? |
| 01:30.24 | nevyn | Xenguy: pdf forms |
| 01:30.28 | Thaiger | s/fillin/fill in |
| 01:30.28 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 01:30.31 | Thaiger | ^_^ |
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| 01:30.47 | nevyn | ghostscript can't do forms |
| 01:30.54 | nevyn | xpdf maybe.. but I don't think so. |
| 01:30.55 | chocobobby | oh sorry my bad |
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| 01:31.03 | alfi | nevyn: ok. thanks anyway |
| 01:31.11 | nevyn | acrobat reader 5 |
| 01:31.42 | nevyn | apparently there's a new acrobat for linux comming based on the v7.x renderer and gtk . |
| 01:31.53 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, i am so frustrated..i have don everything i can think of to get ndiswrapper set up properly.. i followed wikis step by step, i changed OSs twice...I gues ndis wrapper just isn't for me. |
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| 01:32.14 | encolpe | Hi |
| 01:32.20 | nevyn | hello |
| 01:32.25 | encolpe | Is there some zope products debian mainteners here ? |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | puff: i just looked at the IBM EPP .. the specific models you're looking at aren't in there |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | !maint zope |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: never used it |
| 01:32.38 | dpkg | zope: Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <luca@debian.org> |
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| 01:33.03 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, so, you don't do the wireless internet thing? |
| 01:33.13 | yxa | how do i use dd to clone the mbr (where grub resides) to another harddisk? |
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| 01:33.34 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: mine works ... i've never used ndiswrapper |
| 01:33.57 | bizarro_paco | abrotman: which wireless card do u use? |
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| 01:34.25 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:34.25 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: a 11b card ... |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | minipci |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 01:35.09 | encolpe | !moo |
| 01:35.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:35.11 | PRO1 | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 2d 3h 21m 49s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium 4, 3053MHz, 512KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 297/512MB (58.01%) [||||||----] [Hard Drive] C:\ (9.67GB Free, 35.25GB Total) |
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| 01:35.32 | encolpe | hehe |
| 01:35.33 | mrhemlock | wow xp up for 2 days |
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| 01:35.34 | dondelelcaro | PRO1: turn whatever the fuck that is off |
| 01:35.42 | bizarro_paco | abrotman: is 'minipc' the brand name..or is prism the brandname? |
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| 01:36.15 | sgeigerbot` | bizarro_paco: prism is the brand |
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| 01:37.02 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: minipci is a type .. like ISA or PCI or AGP |
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| 01:37.09 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:37.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:37.10 | PRO1 | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 2d 3h 23m 48s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium 4, 3053MHz, 512KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 297/512MB (58.01%) [||||||----] [Hard Drive] C:\ (9.67GB Free, 35.25GB Total) |
| 01:37.16 | Xenguy | PRO1: die |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | PRO1: turn it off |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | !shit |
| 01:37.26 | dpkg | somebody said shit was fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 01:37.34 | encolpe | !zope |
| 01:37.35 | dpkg | somebody said zope was a free, Open Source application server for building high-performance, dynamic web sites. http://www.zope.org;; available with a few updated packages at deb http://debian.oftheInter.net/ codecafe/, or written in python |
| 01:37.45 | dondelelcaro | you can /msg the bot... |
| 01:37.49 | chocobobby | bye |
| 01:37.52 | bizarro_paco | abrotman: it is wireless, right? |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was trying to see if PRO1 was a real bot .. i guess not |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: yes |
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| 01:38.42 | Ronin | good uptime for windows though :) |
| 01:38.43 | encolpe | It's not a bot, just a script on mirc |
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| 01:40.28 | OpenRealty | could ipv6 over ipv4 be slowing down my debians internet connection |
| 01:40.51 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: is the internet connection slow or just the resolving (as is usually the complaint) |
| 01:40.56 | FieldySnuts | my isp is forcing me to route all outgoing smtp through their smtp server, even if I run my own email server. i'm running exim4, anyone know how I accomplish this? i.e. sent mail goes to my mta, then to theirs, then to the world. |
| 01:40.56 | ws[7c0] | i'm trying to run configure for gtkpod and configure dies with error message configure: error: *** id3tag >= 0.15 lib not found (0.14 will not work!). anyone else getting this even though libid3tag is installed? |
| 01:40.59 | OpenRealty | the resolving |
| 01:41.02 | OpenRealty | the host lookup |
| 01:41.39 | EvanCarroll | FieldySnuts: add their MX to your TLD's MX |
| 01:41.39 | travisat | ws[7c0]: just apt-get install gtkpod, why compile it? |
| 01:41.44 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: web browsing is slow but I get apt-get upgrades at 162 kbps |
| 01:41.47 | EvanCarroll | !tell OpenRealty about resolv |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: smarthost ? |
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| 01:42.07 | ws[7c0] | travisat: hmn, i suppose I could do that.. |
| 01:42.22 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: you need to edit /etc/resolv.conf, and delete the crap it has and add a valid nameserver |
| 01:42.31 | Thaiger | This is probably a stupid question, but I don't suppose anyone knows how to close WorkSpace Switcher in gdesklets? |
| 01:42.36 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: I am using another machine as a dnsmasq server |
| 01:42.41 | FieldySnuts | evancarr[too many of you]: I was under the impression I had to modify the config of exim? |
| 01:42.48 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: ie, 'nameserver 001.002.003.004' |
| 01:42.50 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: haven't heard the term, is that what it is? |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | Thaiger: killall gdesklets ? |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 01:42.56 | dpkg | methinks smarthost is an SMTP relay |
| 01:43.05 | FieldySnuts | yeah okay, that sounds like what they're running |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: from what i remember .. you tell your mail system that the other system is your real smtp server |
| 01:43.20 | jcole | Thaiger: killall python |
| 01:43.25 | sgeigerbot` | !smarthost is also Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 01:43.26 | dpkg | sgeigerbot`: okay |
| 01:43.43 | FieldySnuts | thanks, i'll look |
| 01:43.46 | Thaiger | My problem isn't that gdesklets won't close, its that that one desklet is a pain in the ass |
| 01:43.53 | jcole | Thaiger: (provided there are no other python processes running...) |
| 01:43.54 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: well make sure that dns server is listed at the top 'nameserver DNSADDRESS' |
| 01:43.55 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: I think I figured out my problem, changed dnsmasq/apache server to orange dmz nic on ipcop gateway and so ip address changed and the delay was in going to the secondary dns server |
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| 01:44.08 | Thaiger | lol, new profile and never open that desklet extension again ^_^ |
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| 01:44.12 | eric__ | hi all |
| 01:44.19 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: grats |
| 01:44.25 | AngelsDemon | does anyone know about working with wireless USB adapters, or about the ATI all-in-wonder TV tuner? |
| 01:44.27 | axiom242 | how do I get /etc/init.d/local to execute upon bootup? |
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| 01:44.41 | tomb0y | axiom242: man update-rc.d |
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| 01:45.01 | sgeigerbot` | axiom242: "sudo apt-get install update-rc.d" To add apache to startup: "sudo update-rc.d apache defaults" To remove apache: "sudo update-rc.d -f apache remove" An ncurses app called rcconf might be even easier, but sometimes that program has been broken, so you will want to keep this one in mind, as well. "sudo update-rc.d -n apache defaults" would just show what would be done. man 8 update-rc.d |
| 01:45.24 | Pirigoso_BRA | hi all |
| 01:45.27 | yxa | how do i use dd to clone the mbr (where grub resides) to another harddisk? |
| 01:45.43 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: dd bs=16 count=32 if=/dev/hda of=/root/mbr.backup |
| 01:45.44 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: should I have ipv6 over ipv4 tunnelling though |
| 01:45.47 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, which debian do u like the best? |
| 01:45.48 | Pirigoso_BRA | please help me install IPTABLES 130 and Patch Poom |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:45.50 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:46.01 | Pirigoso_BRA | Patch to block Kazza |
| 01:46.04 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: not if you don't need it |
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| 01:46.10 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: ...but why not use grub to write the mbr?? |
| 01:46.18 | toresbe | !kde34 |
| 01:46.21 | toresbe | !kde3.4 |
| 01:46.27 | yxa | sgeigerbot` coz it seg faults when i try to :) |
| 01:46.28 | axiom242 | tomb0y, update-rc.d local default ? |
| 01:46.29 | Pirigoso_BRA | i use Debian Kernel 2.6 |
| 01:46.32 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: I tried removing module with modconf but it wouldnt let me as it was in use |
| 01:46.38 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: The MBR is the first 512 bytes of the first sector of the first partition on the drive. It contains the partition table and the first-stage bootloader. The first-stage loader is a wee bit of code stored in the first 446 bytes of the BMR, which points th eway to the second-stage loader, which is stored in teh /boot directory. The remaining 66 bytes are for the partition table. |
| 01:46.41 | yxa | sgeigerbot` the command only makes a backup doesn it? |
| 01:47.01 | EvanCarroll | OpenRealty: I don't have it things work fine, you might be useing it somewhere down the line, X even calls for it somewhere and has to be disable explcitily if you don't want to use it |
| 01:47.09 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: use grub to write the mbr. |
| 01:47.16 | Pirigoso_BRA | yes fd |
| 01:47.23 | yxa | sgeigerbot` i cant! it segfaults |
| 01:47.27 | Pirigoso_BRA | fd disk to disk |
| 01:47.34 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: install lilo |
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| 01:47.41 | callipygous | me waits for the spam |
| 01:47.42 | bizarro_paco | which debian do you guy like the best? |
| 01:47.46 | toresbe | does anyone know of any experimental kde 3.4 packages? |
| 01:47.46 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: ...or install a newer version of grub. |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | toresbe: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:48.02 | toresbe | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 01:48.04 | callipygous | hey, how do you set what window manager XDM uses? |
| 01:48.06 | yxa | sgeigerbot` tried new version. didnt help. this is last resort |
| 01:48.06 | eric__ | nite all |
| 01:48.14 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: try lilo. |
| 01:48.19 | Pirigoso_BRA | please good repository to upodate my source.list? |
| 01:48.19 | tomb0y | axoim242: update-rc.d local defaults |
| 01:48.20 | jager | i've confused apt, it tells me that i can't overwrite /usr/lib/libFLAC++.so.4.0.1 because it's in libflac++2c102, but it won't let me remove libflac++2c102 because i need to install libflac++4 before i can do anything |
| 01:48.27 | sgeigerbot` | LiLo Works Every Time(tm) |
| 01:48.28 | Pirigoso_BRA | please good repository to update my source.list? |
| 01:48.28 | OpenRealty | evancarroll: thanks |
| 01:48.30 | jetscreamer | jeesus |
| 01:48.38 | axiom242 | tomb0y: I just did update-rc.d local start 80 2 3 4 5 . |
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| 01:48.51 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: except when it doesn't |
| 01:48.52 | yxa | sgeigerbot` let me try brute force dd clone first :) |
| 01:48.53 | jetscreamer | Pirigoso_BRA, fpt.us.debian.com |
| 01:48.56 | jager | where do i go to tell it to ignore libflac++4 for a while? |
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| 01:49.05 | TCW | there is something which anoyes me since... maybe yesterday or the day before yesterday... everytime I restart my computer and Gnome starts, a "evolution-alarm-notify crash" messagebox appears, but if I check if it is running with ps aux for instance, it is still running... debian sarge and I don't see any bugreports which would match... am I really the only one? :) |
| 01:49.08 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: wait! |
| 01:49.10 | dwango | jager, you can force actions |
| 01:49.11 | Pirigoso_BRA | dont have iproute2 packege |
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| 01:49.13 | AngelsDemon | anyone know how to set up the tv tuner on an ATI all-in-wonder video card? |
| 01:49.13 | jetscreamer | err ftp not fpt |
| 01:49.26 | jetscreamer | bttv |
| 01:49.28 | yxa | sgeigerbot` so how do i write mbr.backup |
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| 01:49.40 | jager | dwango, like apt-get -f install? |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | every day is sunday |
| 01:49.47 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: I think you really want just the first 446 bytes in this case. Do this instead: dd bs=446 count=1 if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 01:49.49 | jager | because that fails similarly |
| 01:49.50 | struct | how can i add limits on the number of processes a user can own in debian? |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | struct: man ulimit |
| 01:50.00 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: ...and, be aware: you are playing with fire. |
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| 01:50.40 | yxa | sgeigerbot` i just did. let me try it out |
| 01:50.55 | callipygous | hey, how do you set what window manager XDM uses? |
| 01:50.59 | struct | abrotman: it says " Warning: This routine is obsolete." |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | .xsession |
| 01:51.07 | AngelsDemon | jetscreamer: was the bttv in response to my question on the ATI? |
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| 01:51.12 | abrotman | struct: info ulimit ? |
| 01:51.19 | callipygous | abrotman: thanks, I was wondering why .xinitrc had no effect |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | struct: oh .. wrong man page |
| 01:51.28 | sanxiyn | "Although sometimes it's hard to tell, Debian actually has a purpose" -- Anthony Towns (in Platform) |
| 01:51.29 | sgeigerbot` | jetscreamer: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation...and so that they know your conversation isn't part of another. ...and so that my regexes can copy the conversation. |
| 01:51.37 | sanxiyn | Astonishing. |
| 01:51.44 | callipygous | tis |
| 01:51.51 | sgeigerbot` | sanxiyn: that's even more true for #debian |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | !ulimit |
| 01:52.06 | yxa | sgeigerbot` actually i need all 512 bytes. since they are the same |
| 01:52.07 | sanxiyn | sgeigerbot`: Indeed. |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | struct: that is what you want to learn about |
| 01:52.21 | yxa | sgeigerbot` making a mirror of the hdd actually |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | struct: man limits.conf |
| 01:52.34 | struct | abrotman: oh ok |
| 01:52.45 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: Are the hard drives identical? |
| 01:52.49 | yxa | sgeigerbot` yep! |
| 01:53.03 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: then just do: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
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| 01:53.24 | struct | abrotman: couldn't I use PAM to do this? |
| 01:53.36 | yxa | sgeigerbot` takes too long. besides i know i am only missing the mbr |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | struct: pam does use limits.conf |
| 01:53.43 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: ok |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | or can .. you need to tell it to |
| 01:53.45 | struct | ohh ok |
| 01:54.06 | struct | abrotman: what is the relation between ulimit and PAM? |
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| 01:54.24 | AngelsDemon | anyone know about the ATI all-in-wonder? or at least could someone direct me to another room that may be more suitable for this question? |
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| 01:54.37 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: i just decided to reread my limits.conf does your have blacked out segments in it too? |
| 01:54.47 | stew | AngelsDemon: /msg dpkg ati |
| 01:54.57 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: If it works, you have to (re-)name your first born "sgeigerbot." |
| 01:54.58 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: err thats the man page for limits.conf |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: the man page or the actual file ? |
| 01:55.16 | michal_ | is there any RIGHT way to set up iptables nat/masquarading ? |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | struct: you can set pam to obey the new limits |
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| 01:55.28 | abrotman | michal_: netfilter.org |
| 01:55.34 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: mine says The __________ file where _ is blacked out, and when i have screen on and i exploit the redraw fucntioality i can see that those are auctually blacked out characters |
| 01:55.39 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: man page |
| 01:55.45 | AngelsDemon | stew: thanks |
| 01:55.47 | fragster | anybody here willing to answer some newb questions? |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: sid or sarge? |
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| 01:56.24 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: sid |
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| 01:56.32 | michal_ | abrotman: jesus.. that's barely readable. light blue text on a white background? |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: i'm on sarge |
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| 01:56.40 | abrotman | michal_: i didn't design it |
| 01:56.42 | DavidH | Hi folks. |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | !info passwd sid |
| 01:57.12 | dpkg | passwd: (change and administer password and group data), section base, is required. Version: 1:4.0.3-30.10 (sid), Packaged size: 506 kB, Installed size: 1187 kB |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | !info passwd sarge |
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| 01:57.14 | Raptor22x | debian newbie here, is there a way to change the files that are all in capital letters to lowe-case letters |
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| 01:57.16 | clcont | how do you forward a port with ssh? what is the syntax? -L 8080:hostname:80 ? |
| 01:57.17 | dpkg | passwd: (change and administer password and group data), section base, is required. Version: 1:4.0.3-30.9 (sarge), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 1187 kB |
| 01:57.23 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: hrm the problem is specific to sid, i have sarge sshed in on one comp, sid on this comp all the sections that are bold don't show up in sid |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: different versions ? |
| 01:57.31 | DavidH | Which packages do I need to install to get support for configuring the 2.6.10 kernel with 'make gconfig'? |
| 01:57.37 | struct | abrotman: what's the difference between the type hard and soft? |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | Raptor22x: the letters or the file name ? |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | struct: i think it explains it |
| 01:57.52 | FieldySnuts | heh. ok i set up a smarthost with exim4. unfortunately the mta it's using as a smart host is using smtp authentication. I have a username/pass but how do I use it in exim's config? |
| 01:58.03 | struct | abrotman: not that i can tell |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you're just all kinds of fucked :( |
| 01:58.21 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: not all the letters that are bolded, just a large portion of them its kind of funny really |
| 01:58.27 | Raptor22x | the file names are in capital letters and i need them to be in lower-case |
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| 01:58.30 | MobyTurbo | DavidH: the last time I heard about gconfig it was considered buggy. Just run make menuconfig - it's not so hard. |
| 01:58.46 | phil_ | Hi! Can anybody help me configure my printer. I've already posted this but ran out of luck. |
| 01:58.48 | FieldySnuts | well i can request to opt out of the outbound port 25 blocking, i just need a legitmate reason. running an mta on a business line is a legitmate reason, I just didn't want to bother. |
| 01:58.51 | docgnome | Are there any font packages that include either the Courier or Courier New font? |
| 01:58.56 | EvanCarroll | Anyone else here using sid have the time to check man pages? man limits.conf, tell me if you can read the second word in the description |
| 01:59.00 | phil_ | my computer is: /exec uname -s |
| 01:59.14 | phil_ | on a debian machine |
| 01:59.17 | MobyTurbo | docgnome: msttcorefonts |
| 01:59.24 | FieldySnuts | filtering outbound port 25 traffic on business networks is definately stupid. |
| 01:59.30 | docgnome | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: did you ask #exim how to? |
| 01:59.33 | DavidH | MobyTurbo: OK. What package(s) do I need to install to get ncurses? |
| 01:59.34 | yxa | sgeigerbot` works like a charm. |
| 01:59.35 | aestik | I need repostorys so that I can install gaim |
| 01:59.35 | kyncani | EvanCarr1ll: looks ok |
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| 01:59.39 | FieldySnuts | nah, i will right now |
| 01:59.41 | aestik | ideas? |
| 01:59.47 | dob | Hi, someone use openvpn ? it is right to add that rules with iptables to get the traffic from a subnet to the tunnel to work ? iptables -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT, iptables -A FORWARD -i tun+ -j ACCEPT, iptables -A FORWARD -o tun+ -j ACCEPT |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you actually on a totally business netowrk? .. or is it shared with residential ? |
| 01:59.54 | phil_ | anybody willing to help? |
| 02:00.04 | phil_ | my printer is an HP Deskjet 710C |
| 02:00.07 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it's seperate, so I don't understand this lame reasoning. |
| 02:00.07 | EvanCarroll | DavidH: apt cache search ncurses or install any ncurses package to have the dependencies filled |
| 02:00.15 | EvanCarroll | DavidH: (like centericq) |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i can guess a few .. all originating from Redmond :) |
| 02:00.50 | MobyTurbo | DavidH: libncurses5-dev |
| 02:00.52 | FieldySnuts | i'm just really annoyed that i'm paying for a business line and they're doing any filtering without asking, that's crap |
| 02:00.55 | FieldySnuts | anyway, time to solve this |
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| 02:01.04 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: honestly . it makes sense |
| 02:01.06 | AngelsDemon | stew: i did what you said "/msg dpkg ati", and tried going to linuxvideo.org, but it said that it couldn't be found...? |
| 02:01.26 | FieldySnuts | it's my block of IP's, I own it, it's my responsibility to stop outgoing spam, not theirs </rant> |
| 02:01.49 | aestik | I need repostorys so that I can install gaim. can anyone help? |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: at my office we have two different /27 networks external .. we dont control all the machines .. and more than once our bandwidth has been fucked by another server |
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| 02:02.49 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: or if you have a full windows network with lots of viruses and spam bots |
| 02:02.55 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: that's probably not entirely true from a legal standpoint |
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| 02:03.05 | FieldySnuts | well i just believe very strongly in the owner of even a small block of ip's being held 100% responsible, but i'm old school |
| 02:03.16 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: your ISP's upstream provider might be nasty to your ISP if they don't take reasonable measures to stop spam or other abuse. |
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| 02:03.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you don't own .. you lease |
| 02:03.41 | FieldySnuts | anyway in the end I don't much care, if they don't lift this block i'll be switching |
| 02:03.43 | aestik | I need repostorys so that I can install gaim. can anyone help???? |
| 02:03.46 | clcont | how do i forward port 80 for ssh? |
| 02:03.56 | Ronin | aestik: apt-get gaim is all you need |
| 02:04.06 | Ronin | crap apt-get install gaim even |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | Ronin: he's using demudi |
| 02:04.27 | HoraceF | I'm sorry if this is an obvious question, but I've looked all over. Is there a howto on changing KDE to the default WM on debian. I created a new .xinitrc but I have to run startx after a console login now. |
| 02:04.27 | jager | apt-get moo |
| 02:04.35 | Ronin | ahh well in that case ... |
| 02:04.36 | aestik | yes. demudi it is |
| 02:04.40 | Flimzy | aestik: that's part of Debian. Use any official mirror. |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | Flimzy: no it's not .. it's a separate project iirc |
| 02:05.14 | FieldySnuts | bleh and #exim is idle. i suppose i can just use their smart host temporarily to send. |
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| 02:05.17 | spowers | gaim is part of debian |
| 02:05.23 | aestik | uses debian kernel |
| 02:05.26 | DavidH | MobyTurbo: Thanks. I had all sorts of other ncurses packages installed, but I was missing that one crucial one. |
| 02:05.28 | aestik | demudi |
| 02:05.30 | Ronin | yes but demudi isn't |
| 02:05.33 | Flimzy | clcont: ssh doesn't use port 80 |
| 02:05.33 | Flimzy | clcont: well, not by default, anyway. And I can't imagine why you would want to use port 80 for ssh |
| 02:05.35 | abrotman | Raptor22x: don't msg me |
| 02:05.40 | FieldySnuts | @topicsmite aestik |
| 02:05.44 | Raptor22x | oops sorry |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | Raptor22x: ask here |
| 02:05.50 | Flimzy | abrotman: ? |
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| 02:05.57 | aestik | ..? |
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| 02:06.05 | Flimzy | abrotman: I've always installed GAIM from official Debian mirrors. |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | Flimzy: http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | Flimzy: demudi isn't debian |
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| 02:06.31 | Flimzy | abrotman: why wouldn't it be part of Debian? It's free... and it doesn't contain any patented software that would cause issues |
| 02:06.33 | FieldySnuts | Flimzy: if you are not using debian, then this channel cannot and will not support you. that's official stance. |
| 02:06.39 | abrotman | Flimzy: demudi isn't debian |
| 02:06.42 | Raptor22x | Abrotman: do you know of a command or way to change file names that are in capital to lower-case ex. FILES.HTM to files.htm |
| 02:06.42 | Flimzy | abrotman: Why do I care about demudi or agnula.org? |
| 02:06.43 | directhex | !info gaim woody |
| 02:06.45 | dpkg | gaim: (GPL multi-protocol instant messenger client - Gtk+ version), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.58-2.4 (woody), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | Flimzy: you're telling aestik to install it .. |
| 02:06.53 | Flimzy | abrotman: Are we even talking about the same thing? |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | probabl ynot |
| 02:07.13 | shingouz_ | this is annoying, i got myself a sweex webcam vendor:device 0x0c45:6005 that is supported by sn9c102. i can even cat from /dev/video0 but xawtv or camorama do not get any picture out of it. am i missing something here? |
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| 02:07.17 | aestik | well...:/ |
| 02:07.27 | jcole | are there any other useful linux development ides (gtk based) with cvs support besides anjuta and eclipse? |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | jcole: what kind of dev ? |
| 02:07.50 | directhex | !info gaim sarge |
| 02:07.53 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3549 kB, Installed size: 9688 kB |
| 02:07.55 | jcole | eclipse is very old in deb sid and i don't want to use visual studio in wine |
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| 02:08.08 | abrotman | jcole: install your own eclipse .. it works quite well |
| 02:08.16 | jcole | abrotman: oh |
| 02:08.23 | aestik | any help with the repostorys? |
| 02:08.25 | Flimzy | abrotman: aestik asked for a repository. He didn't specify that he's not using Debian. On #Debian, it seems reasonable to assume that he is using Debian (and if he's not, it's his own damn fault if my correct answer doesn't apply) |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | jcole: the eclipse team is holding off for some reason |
| 02:08.34 | jcole | abrotman: java, cgi, bash, ksh and perl mostly |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | Flimzy: you're here enough to know not to assume :) |
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| 02:08.43 | jcole | abrotman: oh and sql |
| 02:08.56 | jcole | abrotman: o_O |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | jcole: i'd install my own eclipse i think .. |
| 02:08.58 | aestik | I didnt know where I should go for support |
| 02:09.02 | aestik | so i went here |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | aestik: apt-cache search aim |
| 02:09.31 | jcole | abrotman: thanks, maybe i'm stupid, but i can't figure out anjuta... eclipse works for me |
| 02:09.36 | directhex | aestik, so what linux distribution are you running? |
| 02:09.37 | Flimzy | abrotman: yeah, I guess so |
| 02:09.41 | aestik | demudi |
| 02:09.47 | bob2 | eeeeeeeeeeeeeemacs. |
| 02:09.48 | Ronin | tried #demudi? |
| 02:09.52 | gradzac | jcole: as long as you have a Java JDK installed, just download eclipse from their site, unpack, and run |
| 02:09.56 | directhex | !not supporting Demudi |
| 02:09.57 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Demudi too. Try #Demudi or donating money to charity. |
| 02:10.03 | callipygous | damn, how many linux distro's does there have to be? |
| 02:10.11 | callipygous | gah, haven't even heard of that one! |
| 02:10.34 | Flimzy | aestik: If you're not using Debian, then you're SOL here |
| 02:10.34 | Flimzy | aestik: Either find support from someone else, or install Debian then come back here. |
| 02:10.37 | FieldySnuts | why are we still talking about this? see what I last said that is THE STANCE OF THIS CHANNEL now quit wasing our fucking time |
| 02:11.19 | aestik | Okay calm down man. Thanks for the try guys. Later. |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | aestik: apt-cache search aim |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | bahhh |
| 02:11.40 | FieldySnuts | why do we get extremely upset? because we have to repeat this mantra 50 times a day, and 3 - 10 times per person before they get it |
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| 02:11.43 | directhex | we didn't try, we told him to swivel on something painful |
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| 02:11.56 | directhex | i'm insulted he thought that was trying |
| 02:12.05 | dambodog | abrotman, done. now i got the following errors: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:12.05 | dambodog | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.14 | EvanCarroll | I have accidently deleted a conf file from an important package, how do i extract just it, what is the syntax for dpkg to extract just one file?? |
| 02:12.16 | abrotman | i avoid perl |
| 02:12.26 | directhex | !perl |
| 02:12.26 | dpkg | perl is, like, the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 02:12.34 | directhex | !bedtime |
| 02:12.34 | dpkg | hmm... bedtime is set to be 02:12:35 2005 directhex so get to bed! |
| 02:12.48 | directhex | dpkg, ok |
| 02:12.48 | dpkg | hmm... ok is okay |
| 02:12.57 | alus | !gtk |
| 02:12.57 | dpkg | from memory, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 02:13.09 | directhex | dpkg, goodnight |
| 02:13.09 | dpkg | gnight, or something said when a person is leaving for the night |
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| 02:13.34 | Thaiger | How do I see how much space a folder takes up? |
| 02:13.36 | jbAU | dpkg, what is apt? |
| 02:13.37 | dpkg | jbAU: what are you talking about? |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:13.48 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:13.49 | Xenguy | Thaiger: du -h . |
| 02:13.59 | Thaiger | Thanks |
| 02:14.08 | Xenguy | Thaiger: or perhaps just -> du -h |
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| 02:14.16 | Xenguy | Thaiger: yw |
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| 02:15.07 | abrotman | aestik: apt-cache search aim |
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| 02:15.13 | hernan_ | Hi, can anybody tell me if it's possible to downgrade to debian stable? |
| 02:15.14 | fragster | have you ever gotten so confused that you don't even know what questions to ask? |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:15.19 | hernan_ | From Testing. |
| 02:15.27 | maher | hernan_: not easily |
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| 02:15.30 | jbAU | hernan_ very difficult |
| 02:15.31 | mikeeusa | hi |
| 02:15.32 | Thaiger | OK another question: I have files that arenamed like 0111-en 0112-en, is there any easy way to take out the -en like just 0111 |
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| 02:15.44 | kyncani | Hi, in grep manpage, i see -P is supposed to interpret the regex as a perl regex. However, "grep -P ." gives me the error message "grep: The -P option is not supported" ... does anyone know why ? grep compiled without perl support ? |
| 02:15.46 | mikeeusa | someone kicked me from here for no reason |
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| 02:15.56 | hernan_ | maher, jbAU: these config files are all over the place and make it hard for me to set up my home server. |
| 02:15.57 | Xenguy | hernan_: generally, I don't think so, but Sarge will become stable RSN ;-) |
| 02:15.58 | mikeeusa | <-- xk has kicked brainZzZ from #debian (Banned) |
| 02:15.58 | mikeeusa | <-- xk has kicked irc_ from #debian (Banned |
| 02:15.59 | livingtm | anyone know how to add modules to /etc/modules.conf? |
| 02:15.59 | jbAU | hernan_ would be easier to backup your config files and re-install |
| 02:15.59 | studioonedj | anyone using xampp? |
| 02:16.02 | maher | Thaiger: try rename or mmv |
| 02:16.03 | mikeeusa | --- You have been kicked from #debian by xk (Banned) |
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| 02:16.20 | deadcat | my $HOSTFILE never seem to work for bash completion. |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | mikeeusa: so what? |
| 02:16.39 | jbAU | hernan_ essentially you have to unininstall and reininstall every piece of software though |
| 02:16.41 | hernan_ | jbAU, the thing is, my config files are the problem. I don't know how to set up sarge properly. I know how to use woody tho. |
| 02:16.44 | maher | hernan_: the config files are probably in the same places more or less in stable/testing |
| 02:16.45 | mikeeusa | well why was i banned for no reason? |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | ask xk |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | not me |
| 02:16.51 | mikeeusa | (for awhile) |
| 02:16.53 | Thaiger | maher: I'm looking for an easy way to do a whole lot of them, like using a regex but I don't know how to do that with mv |
| 02:17.03 | mikeeusa | tell xk: death to women's rights |
| 02:17.06 | hernan_ | maher, jbAU, any easy way to downgrade from apache2 to 1? |
| 02:17.07 | maher | Thaiger: rename takes perl regex's |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | he's not on |
| 02:17.16 | mikeeusa | well if you see him |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | mikeeusa: you fucktard .. do you want banned again you asshole? |
| 02:17.29 | maher | hernan_: apache1 should still be in testing |
| 02:17.33 | mikeeusa | <abrotman> mikeeusa: you fucktard .. do you want banned again you asshole? |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:17.38 | mikeeusa | wtf was that for? |
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| 02:17.39 | hernan_ | maher: installed? |
| 02:17.40 | Xenguy | Thaiger: there's an app called 'krename' - it's a more 'bloated' solution, but it might come with GUI ease :-) |
| 02:17.47 | Xenguy | Thaiger: haven't tried it myself |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | <mikeeusa> tell xk: death to women's rights |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | what do you think it was for idiot? |
| 02:17.54 | jbAU | hernan_ so you want to go to sid ? |
| 02:17.55 | mikeeusa | abrotman: so? |
| 02:18.02 | abrotman | mikeeusa: you're a fucking moron |
| 02:18.05 | mikeeusa | abrotman: fuck you you feminist piece of shit |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | mikeeusa: go away |
| 02:18.12 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 02:18.16 | hernan_ | jbAU: from testing to stable, actually. but all i want is to be able to set up my server the woody way :P |
| 02:18.16 | Xenguy | I'm ignoring both of you |
| 02:18.23 | deadcat | how many distro can 1 hd handle? |
| 02:18.27 | mikeeusa | abrotman: https://cat2.dynu.ca/cat2/programs.html <-- not a moron |
| 02:18.31 | abrotman | mikeeusa: go away |
| 02:18.33 | mikeeusa | no |
| 02:18.35 | mikeeusa | fool |
| 02:18.35 | Thaiger | Xenguy:Thanks again |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | mikeeusa: go away |
| 02:18.39 | maher | hernan_: just uninstall apache2 and isntall apache |
| 02:18.44 | deadcat | !start a civil war |
| 02:18.45 | madthinker | haha. |
| 02:18.46 | Xenguy | Thaiger: yw - have fun |
| 02:18.47 | mikeeusa | abrotman: so what have you coded? |
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| 02:18.55 | hernan_ | maher: would you mind telling me the package names? apt-get remove apache2 says it cant be found |
| 02:18.59 | madthinker | this is the best. |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | mikeeusa: i don't .. i chose not to .. it's fucking boring as hell |
| 02:19.10 | maher | hernan_: well - it's not there |
| 02:19.12 | mikeeusa | also I contribute maps and archtypes to the opensource RPG crossfire |
| 02:19.16 | jbAU | hernan_ eek - are you sure you're using apache2? |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | mikeeusa: not impressed |
| 02:19.24 | mikeeusa | abrotman: I contribute to opensource, you do not |
| 02:19.32 | hernan_ | jbAU: im pretty sure i am, since i restart it with the command apache2ctl restart |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | mikeeusa: bullshit |
| 02:19.36 | jrelics | anyone know how to configure debian on dell inspiron 8100 with ati videocard? |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | mikeeusa: just shut up |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | moron |
| 02:19.41 | mikeeusa | Not trying to impress a feminist emasculated bitch like you. |
| 02:19.44 | madthinker | i don't think that makes you a nicer person, mikeeusa. |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | mikeeusa: are you going to stop? |
| 02:19.52 | jbAU | hernan_ ok - did u install apache2 without a dpkg ? |
| 02:20.00 | asg | abrotman: making friends again I see |
| 02:20.01 | mikeeusa | abrotman: look at the developer list on crossfire's sf area |
| 02:20.07 | mikeeusa | you'll see my name |
| 02:20.10 | FieldySnuts | somebody wants a medal |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | mikeeusa: do i care? |
| 02:20.12 | EvanCarroll | I have accidently deleted a conf file from an important package, how do i extract just it, what is the syntax for dpkg to extract just one file?? |
| 02:20.14 | Sero | Is there a way to put a splash screen up when Gentoo is booting and loading up? |
| 02:20.15 | hernan_ | jbAU: i installed it from the system install, so no. |
| 02:20.15 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: I sure don't |
| 02:20.16 | Sero | I mean Debian. |
| 02:20.24 | asg | Sero: google for bootsplash |
| 02:20.32 | maher | !ops mikeeusa excessive misogyny |
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| 02:20.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mikeeusa excessive misogyny |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you don't? |
| 02:20.38 | mikeeusa | abrotman: the point is you don't do shit for the community and I do, so go fuck yourself |
| 02:20.43 | abrotman | mikeeusa: do i care? |
| 02:20.53 | jbAU | EvanCarroll dpkg -x packgename |
| 02:20.54 | helix | maher: give me a moment.. |
| 02:20.57 | helix | mikeeusa: please calm down |
| 02:20.59 | mikeeusa | !ops maher stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS |
| 02:21.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: maher stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS |
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| 02:21.07 | Ronin | damn how come every time i look away someone opens the can o'whoop ass here |
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| 02:21.09 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | i can't belivee that |
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| 02:21.28 | mikeeusa | !ops abrotman stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS either... at all |
| 02:21.29 | helix | haven't we banned mikeeusa before? |
| 02:21.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: abrotman stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS either... at all |
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| 02:21.35 | maher | i'm still laughing... |
| 02:21.36 | FieldySnuts | bob2: thanks |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | helix: yes .. he's evading |
| 02:21.39 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 02:21.41 | madthinker | haha. |
| 02:21.45 | madthinker | that was awesome. |
| 02:21.52 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: mikeeusa is evading bans |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | helix: lastlog him .. he started bashing xk |
| 02:21.52 | asg | helix: you have now :) |
| 02:21.55 | madthinker | that was a rampage. |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | and i'm not even sure why |
| 02:22.11 | hernan_ | jbAU: any idea? |
| 02:22.24 | maher | we need some loser of the week award |
| 02:22.31 | jbAU | hernan_ is it possible you've installed apache2 without using apt-get ? |
| 02:22.33 | asg | maher: we have several |
| 02:22.38 | helix | he programs RPGs for god's sake |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | i feel bad . i'm a whore .. and apparently bad at it |
| 02:22.46 | madthinker | that was my favourite part. |
| 02:22.47 | asg | helix: and not even good ones |
| 02:22.48 | abrotman | helix: i have too ... it's not hard |
| 02:22.52 | madthinker | RPG maps! |
| 02:22.55 | helix | abrotman: you really need to chill out with trolls |
| 02:22.57 | hernan_ | jbAU: i installed it with the system. so i used the dpkg in the debian cds |
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| 02:23.08 | helix | abrotman: you're coming dangerously close to being banned yourself for simply exacerbating these situations |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | helix: he has been here before .. not trolling .. he just started off immediately |
| 02:23.23 | helix | abrotman: maybe I suggest you learn to *ignore* people or call ops instead of trying to piss them off more? |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | helix: that only works when ops are around |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | which isn't always the case |
| 02:23.44 | helix | gee, as soon as you called ops, we appeared |
| 02:23.48 | helix | it was this time |
| 02:23.50 | maher | i am ashamed of my lack of contributions to oss - how do i make these maps? |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | i didn't call them at all tonight |
| 02:23.58 | helix | no, you chose to berate a troll |
| 02:24.05 | jbAU | hernan_ ok - but when you remove apache2 it says it doesn't exist... try dpkg --purge apache2 then apt-get install apache |
| 02:24.06 | Hamled | I just upgraded this computer from 2.4 to 2.6.10, and when it boots, fsck says that it can't find /dev/hda3 (my root drive) |
| 02:24.07 | helix | that's like beating up a 5 year old to prove your superiority |
| 02:24.13 | madthinker | it's beyond you, maher. |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | helix: i didn't think he was seriously pissed .. but apparently he was .. as i said . he's been here before without issue |
| 02:24.15 | jbAU | i'm off to lunhc |
| 02:24.17 | hernan_ | okay, one sec, jbAU |
| 02:24.23 | helix | abrotman: you're not understanding me |
| 02:24.35 | kaplanfx | I saw a note somewhere that 2.6.11 breaks the most recent nvidia drivers, is this true/is there a patch? |
| 02:24.40 | hernan_ | jbAU: heh, it says it's not isntalled. |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | helix: sure i am .. i'm a pain in the ass .. i need to stop |
| 02:24.46 | maher | madthinker: oh well - i guess i will manage to go on living... |
| 02:24.51 | helix | abrotman: the point is this: you have a history of arguing with trolls, which does no good and actually escalates the situation. stop it. |
| 02:24.57 | dambodog | abrotman, how can i force a remove dpkg --purge pkg? is it not removing it |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | that's what i just said :) |
| 02:25.04 | madthinker | maher: you better go back to using windows. |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | dambodog: why not ? |
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| 02:25.44 | Puppster | lol |
| 02:25.50 | dambodog | abrotman, dpkg: error processing abiword-common (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:25.57 | fragster | U guys are a hoot |
| 02:26.00 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | dambodog: what's the real error |
| 02:26.11 | Xenguy | abrotman: if yer feeling angry/frustrated, listen to 'Refused' while yer doing debian support -- works for me (that, and /ignore ;-) |
| 02:26.18 | Puppster | hey guys, i'm trying to apt-get update on a debian unstable box and i'm getting the following error: |
| 02:26.21 | dambodog | abrotman, /var/lib/dpkg/info/abiword-common.prerm: /usr/bin/defoma-app: No such file or directory |
| 02:26.26 | Puppster | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 02:26.27 | Puppster | E: Error occured while processing python-gadfly (NewVersion1) |
| 02:26.27 | Puppster | E: Problem with MergeList /var/state/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 02:26.27 | Puppster | E: Unable to write mmap - msync (14 Bad address) |
| 02:26.27 | Puppster | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 02:26.31 | asg | ffs |
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| 02:26.37 | Puppster | sorry |
| 02:26.38 | asg | Puppster: /msg dpkg sid fac |
| 02:26.43 | asg | Puppster: s/fac/faq/ |
| 02:26.51 | Puppster | thanks |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: i don't tend to /ignore .. if it's bad enough that i shold ignore .. i should either be kicked .. or the other person |
| 02:26.53 | Xenguy | Puppster: try a different mirror ? |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | isn't that the normal mmap error ? |
| 02:27.21 | dli | recommend a minipci wireless card for dell inspiron laptop? |
| 02:27.28 | asg | abrotman: doesn't look like it |
| 02:27.32 | Puppster | i really don't know what it means |
| 02:27.51 | hernan_ | how can i get a list of my installed packages, so i can check which apache packages are installed? |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | dambodog: install defoma ? |
| 02:27.54 | hernan_ | something | grep apache |
| 02:28.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: I have things configured to /ignore for .5 hours -- in 95% of the cases that's enough silence to enable the 'annoyance' to pass on - YMMV :-) |
| 02:28.06 | abrotman | dli: you didn't say b or g |
| 02:28.13 | maher | hernan_: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 02:28.14 | asg | abrotman: from the looks of it, it might be screwy memory |
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| 02:28.23 | hernan_ | thank you, maher |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | Xenguy: yes .. i agree .. but it still affects the rest of the channel |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | Xenguy: which is why i shouldn't |
| 02:28.39 | asg | spoopin: you still on dialup or has Earthlink finally got things in order? |
| 02:28.41 | FieldySnuts | wow. their smarthost only supports windows email clients, and not mtas. i'm getting real close to dumping them for this idiocracy |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | err shouldn't argue |
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| 02:28.48 | hernan_ | maher: and how can i check if i have apache1 or 2? because i seem to have the apache2 utils, but not apache2 itself |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: exemption? |
| 02:29.03 | spoopin | asg: still on dialup. Bastards. |
| 02:29.07 | seba | the passwd format is in the manpages? |
| 02:29.09 | asg | spoopin: wtf? |
| 02:29.11 | madthinker | dialup rules! |
| 02:29.15 | madthinker | word! |
| 02:29.16 | maher | hernan_: then you have apache2-utils but not apache2 or apache |
| 02:29.17 | spoopin | asg: ... but it's fast enough for irc :) |
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| 02:29.27 | asg | spoopin: has been since '92 or so |
| 02:29.31 | jcole | abrotman: you're right, much better :) |
| 02:29.37 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: we'll see, they say 24 hour response time for that. wankers |
| 02:29.41 | Puppster | different apt source doesn't seem to fix it |
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| 02:29.49 | hernan_ | maher: let's see: apache-common, apache-utils, apache2-common, apache2-utils and 2 more that got cut off. |
| 02:29.53 | Xenguy | abrotman: one person's 'noise' is another person's 'signal' -- so I evaluate people's scribblings on that basis -- people are not allowed to waste my time/attention with noise. If they do, they get /ignored, and my stress levels stay sane -- but I know everyone has there own ways of making sense of IRC babble ;-) |
| 02:29.55 | madthinker | the best is when you have to go from broadband to living in the country and using dialup. |
| 02:30.01 | madthinker | it's great! |
| 02:30.09 | asg | Puppster: try running memtest86 to see if you have some bad memory |
| 02:30.17 | maher | hernan_: try running an apt-front end like aptitude and choosing apache |
| 02:30.19 | spoopin | asg: I'm canning them. They seem disinterested in solving the problem - they just want to throw equipment at it, at my expense. |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | jcole: what is ? |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: doubtful |
| 02:30.28 | hernan_ | maher: okay |
| 02:30.39 | spoopin | asg: I'll be joining you, Ty and D on Monday :) |
| 02:30.40 | asg | spoopin: ah |
| 02:30.45 | FieldySnuts | they'll lose a rather high paying customer then, their loss. till then, my loss as I can't send fucking email. |
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| 02:30.49 | asg | spoopin: :) |
| 02:31.10 | spoopin | asg: less cost for 6 months, too |
| 02:31.16 | seba | sorry... the passwd format is in the manpages? |
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| 02:31.21 | abrotman | Xenguy: you're right .. i just think that putting people on /ignore is only detriemtnal the rest of the channel(my arguing with them certainly doesn't help) |
| 02:31.27 | asg | spoopin: yeah, I saw there was a new special on |
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| 02:31.50 | spoopin | asg: quite. at least my ppp/NAT setup is working well |
| 02:32.05 | hernan_ | can someone tell me a regular expression that'll select apache-* ? |
| 02:32.12 | asg | seba: man 5 passwd |
| 02:32.36 | asg | spoopin: yeah, it seems to be. I talked to K earlier, he seemed in good spirits. |
| 02:32.45 | maher | hernan_: what do you actually want to do? |
| 02:32.58 | seba | thanks asg! |
| 02:33.01 | hernan_ | maher: im going to remove all the apache software and start from scratch. |
| 02:33.03 | asg | seba: you're welcome |
| 02:33.06 | hernan_ | maher: it's the only way i'll learn :) |
| 02:33.11 | Xenguy | abrotman: in olden times if a person offended the community, they were banished. This was serious cos it meant one's survival (which depended on community) was threatened. In IRC, if people waste others' time, and enough people /ignore them on that basis, then they are effectively 'banished', which seems like a reasonable and just solution to me -- anyhoo, nuff said :-) |
| 02:33.14 | bob2 | hernan_: apache-.* |
| 02:33.14 | spoopin | asg: that's because he's taking a vacation, then putting in his notice |
| 02:33.20 | hernan_ | bob2: thanks |
| 02:33.27 | asg | spoopin: oh, didn't hear about the last bit. |
| 02:33.32 | maher | hernan_: i'm sure aptitude has some search function |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | Xenguy: ban them all! |
| 02:33.49 | spoopin | asg: without finding a new job first - nothing makes him happier than living recklessly |
| 02:33.49 | Xenguy | heh |
| 02:33.52 | hernan_ | bob2: that expression selects way too many packages |
| 02:33.55 | asg | spoopin: he said march 14 to 21 (I might take a few days myself for gaming during that time.) |
| 02:34.00 | hernan_ | maher: hold on, i dont know if i have aptitude installed |
| 02:34.01 | bob2 | hernan_: ok, but it does what you asked |
| 02:34.07 | vladster | banish me then |
| 02:34.10 | spoopin | asg: cock |
| 02:34.14 | hernan_ | bob2: there's other packages that i dont want to remove |
| 02:34.15 | asg | spoopin: smoker |
| 02:34.25 | spoopin | asg: sorry |
| 02:34.32 | asg | spoopin: :) |
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| 02:34.38 | maher | hernan_: use aptitude - it has an interactive selction thingy |
| 02:34.41 | bob2 | hernan_: ok |
| 02:34.45 | Xenguy | vladster: I need more noize first =) |
| 02:35.26 | spoopin | asg: how'd things go with the firewall vendor? |
| 02:35.52 | asg | spoopin: pretty good. I have a conference call on Friday to finalize a few things (and 2k pages of documentation to read through.) |
| 02:36.21 | spoopin | asg: ouch. |
| 02:36.22 | asg | spoopin: rule #1 of jam club) don't try to play 'Loneliness ...' at speed |
| 02:36.38 | hernan_ | maher: okay, i got it, installing apache |
| 02:37.02 | spoopin | asg: the verse rhythm's a killer |
| 02:37.21 | asg | spoopin: yeah, I didn't remember how fast it was. |
| 02:37.29 | asg | spoopin: got Purgatory down though |
| 02:37.32 | hernan_ | maher: yay! old-style httpd.conf :P |
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| 02:38.28 | Ether_Man | To load the drivermodule for a non-pnp isa I must specify io and irq right? Is there any way to like probe for those values cz I have no idea what they are. |
| 02:38.29 | Hamled | I just upgraded this computer from 2.4 to 2.6.10, and when it boots, fsck says that it can't find /dev/hda3 (my root drive) |
| 02:38.31 | spoopin | asg: cool.. I spent 2.5 hours on the phone w/tech supposrt last night so I didn't get a chance to play... maybe later in the week, I hope |
| 02:38.55 | asg | spoopin: ah, what version of Windows did you tell them you had at the time? |
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| 02:39.08 | maher | Ether_Man: there used to be some tool called isapnp to do that - i thought modern kernels were able to do it automagically |
| 02:39.14 | kaplanfx | anyone on sid do a dist-upgrade today and have kdelibs-data break? |
| 02:39.21 | asg | kaplanfx: the bts would know |
| 02:39.30 | hernan_ | Anyone: If i have the line Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks MultiViews |
| 02:39.31 | kaplanfx | asg: it doesn't know yet |
| 02:39.33 | Ether_Man | maher: I just said it wasnt a pnp enabled card.. |
| 02:39.36 | asg | kaplanfx: and if it doesn't, bravo, you are the first and should file a bug report |
| 02:39.40 | hernan_ | and I add a - before Indexes, will it - everything else? |
| 02:39.40 | kaplanfx | asg: I just checked |
| 02:39.42 | FieldySnuts | ask #apache |
| 02:39.43 | spoopin | asg: XP - that's what's on Emily's computer. We just hook it up directly when we have to call them.. |
| 02:39.45 | hernan_ | okay |
| 02:39.51 | asg | spoopin: hah :) |
| 02:39.58 | maher | Ether_Man: sorry - read the hw docs |
| 02:40.04 | kaplanfx | asg: im filing it now |
| 02:40.12 | kaplanfx | asg: just wondering if someone knew a fix |
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| 02:40.16 | spoopin | asg: TW asked me that when I called them tonight, too |
| 02:40.17 | asg | kaplanfx: you might want to check with #debian-kde first also |
| 02:40.23 | Ether_Man | maher: There are no hardware docs avail. It's a used laptop and it is very old.. p133.. |
| 02:40.29 | Hamled | I just upgraded this computer from 2.4 to 2.6.10, and when it boots, fsck says that it can't find /dev/hda3 (my root drive). Anyone know what might cause this? I do have ext3 setup in my kernel, and devfs |
| 02:40.33 | asg | spoopin: you should have said OpenBSD just for the hell of it. |
| 02:40.37 | maher | Ether_Man: pick numbers at random till some work? |
| 02:41.01 | spoopin | asg: haha |
| 02:41.09 | Ether_Man | maher: erm.. considering how many io adresses there are.. That wasnt even funny.. |
| 02:41.10 | bob2 | Hamled: is it a sata drive? |
| 02:41.10 | bob2 | or are you on ppc? |
| 02:41.18 | dambodog | abrotman, i keep getting the msg that i have to run apt-get -f install first |
| 02:41.23 | Hamled | bob2, nope, and nope |
| 02:41.28 | maher | Ether_Man: i wasn't being funny |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | dambodog: you can edit the prerm or which ever it says the error is in |
| 02:42.04 | kaplanfx | asg: yeah tried that |
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| 02:42.10 | asg | kaplanfx: ah, okay |
| 02:42.13 | kaplanfx | asg: no response yet |
| 02:42.19 | asg | spoopin: brb |
| 02:42.21 | kaplanfx | asg: I poked calc around a bit |
| 02:42.21 | asg | kaplanfx: *nod* |
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| 02:42.34 | Ether_Man | maher: ok.. then you have no knowledge of io even is and thus shouldnt be answering to my question in the first place |
| 02:42.45 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: Whether you have to probe for IO/IRQ, etc, depends on the hardware |
| 02:42.54 | madthinker | FieldySnuts: where in your exim conf did you put that code block? |
| 02:42.58 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: some ISA hardware can be auto-detected, some can't. |
| 02:43.03 | maher | Ether_Man: i have no knowledge of how you find the right numbers for an isa card without the docs - that this correct |
| 02:43.04 | FieldySnuts | Ether_Man: troll |
| 02:43.06 | dambodog | abrotman, can i msg you? |
| 02:43.17 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: what kind of ISA hardware is it? |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | dambodog: i'd rather you didn't .. many people here may catch something i don't |
| 02:43.31 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: An onboard soundcard |
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| 02:43.42 | dambodog | abrotman, pretty please? |
| 02:43.59 | dambodog | abrotman, :) |
| 02:44.17 | madthinker | i think dambodog is mikeeusa. |
| 02:44.25 | hernan_ | Quick question. Whenever I upload files into my public_html, my user has access to them, but my www-data doesn't. How can I make them so they both have access to it without having to make the files public? or how can I make it so the files I put in that directory have public read access automatically? |
| 02:45.01 | abrotman | madthinker: he's been here a while |
| 02:45.10 | Ether_Man | FieldySnuts: troll smoll.. He asked me to try to load a module basicly about 15k times since that's the amount of diffrent combinations possible for io and irq.. That clearly shows he has no idea what he's talking about.. |
| 02:45.11 | madthinker | i was just joking anyway. :) |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | dambodog: it's just as easy to talk here |
| 02:45.18 | FieldySnuts | Ether_Man: yeah yea. |
| 02:45.30 | FieldySnuts | Ether_Man: are you done yet? |
| 02:45.32 | dambodog | abrotman, i get the following error : You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: defoma: Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16) but it is not going to be installed psfontmgr: Depends: perl but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution) |
| 02:45.38 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: Do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 02:45.44 | Xenguy | hernan_: I seem to recall that 'www-data' isn't supposed to own any web files (but I could be quite wrong with that - be warned) |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | dambodog: and if you run just `apt-get -f install` ? |
| 02:46.05 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: I know it's ess but not which version |
| 02:46.10 | hernan_ | Xenguy, the thing is, if I dont give public read access to my files, apache will yell Forbidden. |
| 02:46.18 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: Actually there are usually less than a dozen possible combinations for a sound card |
| 02:46.18 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: And you can usually get it right within 2-3 guesses if you're smart. |
| 02:46.23 | dambodog | abrotman, The following packages will be REMOVED: abiword-common gsfonts psfontmgr |
| 02:46.25 | hernan_ | literally, yell it out |
| 02:46.27 | dambodog | abrotman, then... |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | dambodog: ok ... |
| 02:46.32 | Xenguy | hernan_: who do you want to be able to read those files? |
| 02:46.46 | dambodog | abrotman, /var/lib/dpkg/info/abiword-common.prerm: /usr/bin/defoma-app: No such file or directory |
| 02:46.47 | hernan_ | Xenguy the user itself and apache |
| 02:46.55 | kaplanfx | asg: ok before I report this bug, its a conflict between kdelibs-data and knetworkconf which both want to write to /usr/share/icons/default.kde |
| 02:46.56 | maher | hernan_: in order for the files to be served they need to be world readable - that's different form being owned by www-data |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | dambodog: fix that file |
| 02:47.13 | dambodog | abrotman, Removing psfontmgr .../var/lib/dpkg/info/psfontmgr.prerm: /usr/bin/defoma-app: No such file or directory |
| 02:47.14 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Standard there are only a few possible yes.. but still about 30 combinations and that's only if the soundcard is a standard one.. Dell aint exactly known for using standard equipment.. |
| 02:47.17 | kaplanfx | asg: so I know this is all meta-package stuff, I looked at kdelibs-data there is no report there |
| 02:47.21 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: I've only used one or two ESS chipsets... not sure if I've used any ISA ones (BTW, what makes you think it's ISA? If it's onboard, it's likely PCI, even in an old system) |
| 02:47.24 | hernan_ | maher the thing is, whenever i ftp new files, they get a default chmod access, and i have to change them. |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | dambodog: touch /usr/bin/defoma-app |
| 02:47.31 | dambodog | abrotman, i tried to install it but it won't let me |
| 02:47.33 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: did you look at lspci to see if it's listed there? |
| 02:47.35 | Thaiger | How would I compress a lot of jpegs at once? |
| 02:47.37 | kaplanfx | asg: but bugs.debian.org claims its never heard of knetworkconf package |
| 02:47.51 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Because it doesnt show up on any scans of the pci bus |
| 02:47.57 | Xenguy | hernan_: AFAIK apache will have access to the files without 'www-data' being explicitly assigned to any permissions... |
| 02:48.00 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: ESS is pretty standard. |
| 02:48.03 | asg | kaplanfx: well dpkg --force-overwrite will allow you to fix it locally I think. Still I'd file a bug nontheless. |
| 02:48.19 | Flimzy | Thaiger: you mean you have a bunch of image files, and you want to convert them all to jpegs? |
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| 02:48.31 | NaRCoT | HI, I just upgraded from woody to sareg, I think I left tons of garbage while doing it. For Ex: Now I reinstalled KDE and I have lots of things Twice, applets, properties etc' How can I clean it all even if it says removing KDE, Clean & Reinstall ? |
| 02:48.32 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: perhaps. nothing I know about. Never had any ess cards before |
| 02:48.36 | Flimzy | Thaiger: Or you have a bunch of jpegs that you want to somehow (magically) compress again? |
| 02:48.36 | Xenguy | hernan_: but you could simply firewall off port 80 if you are concerned about outsiders seeing files via your web server |
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| 02:48.59 | dambodog | abrotman, now i am getting the following error: Unregistering PostScript fonts.../var/lib/dpkg/info/gsfonts.prerm: defoma-font: command not found |
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| 02:49.05 | Thaiger | Flimzy: I have a bunch of jpegs that are high quality, I'm looking for a way to convert them to lower quality, preferably all at once |
| 02:49.07 | hernan_ | Xenguy then how can I make it so any new files in my public_html get chmodded automatically? |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | dambodog: jeez .. you really need defoma :) |
| 02:49.45 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: Well you have two basic options, then. 1) Start modprobing random ISA ESS modules with random IO/IRQ settings. 2) Search Dell's web site and/or google to determine which chipset is in that model laptop. That will at least narrow down which module to use, and may reveal other useful info, too. |
| 02:49.46 | abrotman | dambodog: you can edit the prerm files .. and take out the parts referring to defoma |
| 02:49.48 | NaRCoT | anyone knows how to do it? |
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| 02:49.56 | Flimzy | Thaiger: look at 'convert' in the ImageMagick package. I'm sure it can do what you want. |
| 02:49.57 | dambodog | abrotman, i won't allow me to install it:/ |
| 02:49.58 | Xenguy | hernan_: probably setting the sgid permission e.g. -> chmod g+s |
| 02:50.01 | asg | NaRCoT: try #debian-kde |
| 02:50.06 | dambodog | abrotman, ok |
| 02:50.11 | NaRCoT | asg, thanks |
| 02:50.12 | hernan_ | xenguy chmod g+s public_html? |
| 02:50.13 | Xenguy | hernan_: if I understand you correctly - try some testing with that maybe |
| 02:50.14 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: I |
| 02:50.15 | Flimzy | Thaiger: Then just write a quick bash script (or command line) to do it for all files in a directory, or whatever |
| 02:50.18 | madthinker | what's a good shell email program? |
| 02:50.24 | asg | madthinker: mutt |
| 02:50.27 | Flimzy | Thaiger: it can resize, too. |
| 02:50.27 | madthinker | thanks. |
| 02:50.31 | asg | madthinker: you're welcome |
| 02:50.44 | Xenguy | hernan_: wherever you set that should inherit group permissions of the parent directory (IIRC -- it's been awhile) |
| 02:50.46 | Thaiger | Flimzy: Thanks a lot! |
| 02:50.49 | Flimzy | madthinker: You probably mean 'console' not 'shell'... try mutt. |
| 02:50.50 | kaplanfx | asg: hmm just did apt-cache policy knetworkconf, its not a debian package (its from a special repository) so why if I try to remove it is aptitude attempting to remove kde-core and kdelibs, they can't possibly be dependent on a package that is not part of the debian repositories??? |
| 02:50.59 | hernan_ | Xenguy okay, i'll try that, thank you |
| 02:51.14 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: I've tried option 2 but get diffrent answers as to what chipset it is.. |
| 02:51.21 | Xenguy | hernan_: yw - let me know how you make out :-) |
| 02:51.37 | madthinker | Flimzy: I never knew that. :) |
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| 02:51.44 | msg43 | does anyone use ndiswrapper? |
| 02:51.46 | asg | kaplanfx: aptitude has some smart processing. Try just using 'apt-get remove --purge <pkg>' and see if that doesn't work better |
| 02:51.50 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 02:51.51 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:51.52 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Guess I'll try option 1 for awhile. Thanks for your help anyway |
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| 02:52.14 | Flimzy | madthinker: ? |
| 02:52.25 | msg43 | well I mean any debian use use slakcware |
| 02:52.29 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: How many different answers? |
| 02:52.37 | asg | msg43: in '96 or so, why? |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 02:52.40 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: It may be that Dell released more than one motherboard in that model |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | #slackware ? |
| 02:52.43 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: 4 diffrent ones |
| 02:52.45 | hernan_ | Xenguy: i just typed chmod a+r public_html/ and it works now :) |
| 02:52.46 | hernan_ | thank you |
| 02:52.54 | msg43 | asg, well I'm considering switching distros once again |
| 02:52.56 | madthinker | Flimsy: I didn't know it was called a console, it thought it was a shell. |
| 02:52.59 | travisat | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:53.01 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 02:53.02 | NaRCoT | asg, there is no one there, Do you know another chan ? |
| 02:53.08 | asg | msg43: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 02:53.14 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: If you can't tell based on your model # alone, your S/N may help (if Dell's web site is that specific for something that old) |
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| 02:53.20 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Could be. Any way to check? dell no longer lists this old comps on their page |
| 02:53.20 | msg43 | I want to learn linux and I've been using slack but it seems there a lack of support for stuff |
| 02:53.24 | Xenguy | hernan_: OK, but I'm pretty sure g+s (not a+s) is the usual method -- YMMV |
| 02:53.29 | msg43 | like I have to use an old version of ndiswrapper |
| 02:53.30 | kaplanfx | asg: damnit, apt-get is complaining that I have to run apt-get -f install to fix kdelibs-data, can I dpkg -P the knetworkconf package, is that safe? |
| 02:53.34 | asg | NaRCoT: that's the best one for dealing with debian/kde issues. You can ask here again in a few if you get no info from them. |
| 02:53.38 | hernan_ | Xenguy: it was a+r |
| 02:53.40 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: What are the 4 answers you got? (Chances are they're very similar, and may use the same driver) |
| 02:53.44 | msg43 | I can't get a game to install which I know I installed what the game wanted |
| 02:53.45 | kaplanfx | asg: im not even sure what it is |
| 02:54.01 | asg | kaplanfx: dpkg -P should be safe |
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| 02:54.07 | ifup | help :) how do I clear out my apt cache ? |
| 02:54.13 | Dull404 | is it hard to get xorg working with debian? if i install base debian, and then apt-get install xorg ? |
| 02:54.17 | NaRCoT | I just need help with cleaning up my system... It's full of garbage... |
| 02:54.18 | Xenguy | hernan_: Ahh, I misread -- so what are the file permissions now then? (ls -l) |
| 02:54.19 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: They don't even have reference docs any more? |
| 02:54.27 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: not that I can find :/ |
| 02:54.29 | kaplanfx | asg: gonna try that. apt-cache show reports that knetworkconf is a kde network configuration program, something I don' |
| 02:54.33 | kaplanfx | don't even need |
| 02:54.37 | asg | kaplanfx: if not, dpkg --force-overwrite kdelibs-data (to fix things), then try removing the errant package. |
| 02:54.41 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: what model is your laptop? |
| 02:54.46 | hernan_ | Xenguy: basically, all users now have read access to my public_html |
| 02:54.57 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Dell Latitude XPi P133ST |
| 02:54.58 | asg | s/e k/e -i k/ |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | ifup: apt-get clean |
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| 02:55.11 | hernan_ | Xenguy: a = all, +r = read :) |
| 02:55.21 | Xenguy | hernan_: funny, I didn't even understand your real problem -- that's the way solutions are found sometimes ;-) |
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| 02:55.32 | ifup | thanks abrotman ! |
| 02:55.34 | Leimy | ban abrotman |
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| 02:55.39 | gradzac | kaplanfx: can you even remove that package? There are a lot of KDE packages that I never use, but are installed because the base KDE packages depend on them. |
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| 02:55.42 | hernan_ | Xenguy: dont worry, the thing is, you pointed me the right way (chmod something+something) |
| 02:55.51 | Dull404 | anyone know? or can point me to a howto/faq ? |
| 02:55.51 | asg | Leimy: no, he is our friend |
| 02:55.54 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: and dont remember the diffrent answers right now but I can find quick I think.. |
| 02:55.56 | Leimy | oh wait |
| 02:55.57 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: I have a similar laptop... only older (486DX2/50) |
| 02:55.59 | Leimy | I remember |
| 02:56.06 | kaplanfx | gradzac: dpkg doesn't care about dependencies |
| 02:56.11 | Xenguy | hernan_: yah, typical perms for files are 644 (or rw-r-r) |
| 02:56.12 | Leimy | he's argumentative |
| 02:56.18 | asg | Leimy: so, welcome to irc |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | asg: we'll see .. it could happen :) |
| 02:56.27 | asg | abrotman: apparently |
| 02:56.28 | Xenguy | hernan_: or sometimes 664 (rw-rw-r) |
| 02:56.31 | kaplanfx | gradzac: and since its not from a debian repository I removed the other repositories |
| 02:56.37 | kaplanfx | I tell you if it works in a moment :) |
| 02:56.37 | Leimy | yeah... but you don't know abrotman like I know abrotman |
| 02:56.40 | hernan_ | Xenguy i see |
| 02:56.47 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: ess too? if so then perhaps they use the same settings |
| 02:56.51 | Dull404 | hm... never mind then |
| 02:56.52 | gradzac | kaplanfx: hmmm....maybe I can get rid of some of the KDE garbage on my system then :) |
| 02:57.07 | NaRCoT | Anyone ? Is there a way to clean up old ( un needed ) files & folders... I think my system is full of them and it gives me trouble.... |
| 02:57.12 | dambodog | abrotman, more errors.... |
| 02:57.16 | kaplanfx | gradzac: be careful |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | dambodog: i bet |
| 02:57.19 | asg | Leimy: /j #roast-abrotman |
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| 02:57.31 | kaplanfx | gradzac: this is not part of kde, it came from kylaxo.org |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | asg: should i too? :) |
| 02:57.45 | Leimy | I was just there no one was there |
| 02:57.49 | dambodog | abrotman, can i msg you please? |
| 02:57.50 | kaplanfx | asg: well aptitude isn't complaining anymore, and installed kdelibs-base |
| 02:57.55 | asg | abrotman: you can but it would be mano-a-mano and a bunch of lurkers |
| 02:57.56 | kaplanfx | asg: thanks for the help |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | dambodog: really .. i'd rather you didn't |
| 02:58.04 | asg | kaplanfx: you're welcome |
| 02:58.04 | Xenguy | Leimy: awww, you wrecked it |
| 02:58.11 | Xenguy | Leimy: ;-) |
| 02:58.11 | gradzac | kaplanfx: oh, well I'm sure that the KDE games are necessary for the system run, right? :) |
| 02:58.13 | dambodog | abrotman, ok |
| 02:58.14 | Leimy | Xenguy: ??? |
| 02:58.16 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: think I found the specs on the jp dell site right now ^_^ |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | dambodog: it's almost bed time .. so keep it here .. and when i go .. others can lastlog and cathc up |
| 02:58.24 | Xenguy | Leimy: j/k, nm |
| 02:58.30 | kaplanfx | gradzac: next time you upgrade they will be reinstalled if you installed the kde packge |
| 02:58.36 | kaplanfx | gradzac: what you wanted was kde-core instead |
| 02:58.44 | dambodog | abrotman, Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_1.16.3.1_i386.deb |
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| 02:58.46 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Ess 1888 |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | dambodog: error is ? |
| 02:59.13 | Leimy | AAAAAAAA! |
| 02:59.16 | Leimy | ENOBEER! |
| 02:59.20 | Leimy | SIGTHIRSTY! |
| 02:59.31 | dambodog | abrotman, error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_1.16.3.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 02:59.45 | gradzac | kaplanfx: the KDE on my system is whatever the debian installer put there....I've only unsuccessfully tried to remove kde packages I don't use. I guess I should get rid of the whole thing and try kde-core by itself |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | dambodog: that's not an error |
| 03:00.06 | dambodog | abrotman, subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
| 03:00.16 | kaplanfx | gradzac: the debian installer? you mean tasksel? |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | dambodog: what in god's name did you do to your system ? |
| 03:00.28 | gradzac | kaplanfx: yes |
| 03:00.39 | Puppster | i'm trying to use apt-get in debian stable to do apt-get upgrade on an old system... and i am getting an error that the file /bin/chgrp is also in coreutils when it is trying to install fileutils... any way to fix this? |
| 03:00.40 | dambodog | abrotman, upgrade from stable to unstable. |
| 03:00.42 | hernan_ | yet another question: whats the stable version of exim? |
| 03:00.53 | dambodog | abrotman, now it's screwed |
| 03:01.11 | maher | Puppster: how old? |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | dambodog: yeah .. you're braver than me |
| 03:01.15 | hernan_ | nevermind, i'll google it :) |
| 03:01.22 | kaplanfx | gradzac: an experianced debian user will install no additional packages at installation, then just apt-get install from your base system. you get only the packages you want (plus dependencies of course) its good! |
| 03:01.24 | Puppster | kernel 2.2 |
| 03:01.25 | Puppster | old |
| 03:01.27 | maher | Puppster: is it running woody or something before? |
| 03:01.30 | dambodog | abrotman, not to mention the upgrade you told me to perform |
| 03:01.33 | Puppster | woody i think |
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| 03:01.37 | Xenguy | Puppster: that's weird - try installing 1 package at a time (?) |
| 03:01.39 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: I only see two possible modules for ESS ISA cards anyway... ESS16xx, and ESS18xx |
| 03:01.46 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: So that should be pretty easy. |
| 03:01.53 | abrotman | dambodog: your system is pissed :( |
| 03:01.54 | maher | Puppster: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:02.04 | Puppster | 3.0 |
| 03:02.10 | Puppster | if i try to install coreutils it says it's already current |
| 03:02.14 | maher | Puppster: that's potato |
| 03:02.17 | Puppster | and if i try to install fileutils it gives me the same error |
| 03:02.18 | Puppster | ah ok |
| 03:02.19 | gradzac | kaplanfx: well I have considerably more experience with debian now then when I installed the system....I don't think I would have known how to figure that out when I built this box |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | dambodog: i wonder why defoma didn't install |
| 03:02.27 | Puppster | any way to fix without reinstalling? |
| 03:02.33 | maher | Puppster: what does sources.list point to |
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| 03:02.46 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: I didnt have any of those modules. Prob due to using 2.2 kernel but it said it was sb compat and ESS is listed under the sb module so gonna try loading that for awhile ^_^ Thank you very very much for your help |
| 03:03.04 | Puppster | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 03:03.06 | Puppster | just that file |
| 03:03.17 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: If you're using OSS, I think you use the standard SB module |
| 03:03.18 | Xenguy | Puppster: for me (running sid/unstable), 'coreutils' is where /bin/chgrp originates |
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| 03:03.24 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: If you're using ALSA, you'll use the ESS18xx module. |
| 03:03.32 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: If you have the ESS1868, you can use isapnptools to detect it. |
| 03:03.49 | Puppster | rgr... i don't really care what package gets it |
| 03:03.54 | madthinker | if my email works through mutt, does that stand to reason i have exim running properly? |
| 03:03.54 | Puppster | but this is preventing me from doing any more apt-get stuff |
| 03:03.56 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: it was 1888 ;_; |
| 03:03.57 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: look at /Documentation/sound/oss/ESS and ESS1868 (in the kernel source tree) for documentation on the ESS sound modules |
| 03:03.58 | Puppster | as far as updating |
| 03:04.02 | Flimzy | (those docs relate to the OSS drivers only) |
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| 03:04.07 | maher | Puppster: ok - that's not so good - it was a potato system and you've just attempted to upgrade it to woody - find the release notes for potato->woody upgrade and see what you should have done |
| 03:05.07 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: and ALSA documenation exists in Documentation/sound/alsa |
| 03:05.13 | Flimzy | Ether_Man: there's ESS info in there, too. |
| 03:05.14 | doneill | i went from slink to sarge |
| 03:05.24 | Flimzy | doneill: in one step? |
| 03:05.30 | doneill | for me, yeah. |
| 03:05.36 | Ether_Man | Flimzy: Ok. Thank you once again |
| 03:05.37 | Flimzy | I wonder if I have my hamm CD around here anywhere... I could try hamm -> sarge |
| 03:05.37 | doneill | well, no, two.. or three |
| 03:05.39 | Flimzy | 8-) |
| 03:05.48 | doneill | does hamm have apt? |
| 03:05.54 | doneill | s/does/did/ |
| 03:06.07 | doneill | hammy |
| 03:06.08 | Flimzy | I think it had a backported version |
| 03:06.09 | Flimzy | or was that slink? |
| 03:06.16 | Flimzy | specifically to allow upgrading |
| 03:06.19 | doneill | slink had it out of the box |
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| 03:06.33 | doneill | yeah, i don't think apt has changed drastically since |
| 03:06.37 | doneill | or i simply haven't noticed |
| 03:06.40 | Puppster | maher: i tried those commands but they also lead me to the same fileutils problem |
| 03:06.44 | madthinker | maybe what i wrote got lost: if mutt works, does that mean exim is configured properly? |
| 03:06.50 | doneill | slink is where i think debian got popular |
| 03:06.59 | doneill | this channel used to have 75, now it's 755 |
| 03:07.04 | doneill | :D |
| 03:07.20 | doneill | little debian's all growed up.. *sniff* |
| 03:07.50 | Flimzy | Debian got popular in my house with bo |
| 03:07.55 | maher | Puppster: what commands? have you tried using dselect or aptitude toresolve conflicts |
| 03:08.09 | Puppster | i haven't... i haven't ever used them before... |
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| 03:09.26 | hernan_ | okay, ive got my incoming mail working, whats the easiest way to check outgoing, because it seems like it's not working. |
| 03:09.37 | calin | will someone please /msg me? I have a screen problem and i can only see the top of it |
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| 03:10.36 | RedPenguin | What would cause an auto disconnection from SSH right after you correctly login? |
| 03:10.44 | benjamindees | what kind of goat must I sacrifice to get the driver-?.bin files to work? |
| 03:10.51 | roo9 | what is a good MTA with virtual user support? |
| 03:10.55 | benjamindees | (for a floppy install I mean) |
| 03:10.59 | hernan_ | maher, do you know? |
| 03:11.05 | hernan_ | maher knows everything |
| 03:11.07 | asg | roo9: postfix, qmail, even exim |
| 03:11.16 | Deep7 | RedPenguin, check perms on your home dir |
| 03:11.41 | madthinker | can anyone recommend a channel for imap help? |
| 03:11.42 | bob2 | calin: ctrl-a F |
| 03:11.46 | RedPenguin | Can't, it worked before |
| 03:11.48 | asg | RedPenguin: the user's shell is /bin/false or not listed in /etc/shells |
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| 03:11.53 | bob2 | madthinker: you actually want help with the protocol? |
| 03:11.57 | calin | Whoever said anything in here to me, /msg it, I can't see what oyu said |
| 03:11.58 | RedPenguin | asg, I thought that was what it had to be |
| 03:12.00 | bob2 | madthinker: you're not using a particular daemon? |
| 03:12.20 | hernan_ | anyone? how can i test my outgoing mail? |
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| 03:12.30 | madthinker | well, i'd like to mirror an imap store on my local server. |
| 03:12.33 | mrGenixus | has anyone gotten nvidia-kerenel installed? |
| 03:12.34 | Flimzy | hernan_: Send an email to your hotmail account. |
| 03:12.42 | hernan_ | Flimzy :how? |
| 03:12.44 | bob2 | madthinker: offlineimap, baybe |
| 03:12.45 | Flimzy | !tell mrGenixus about ask |
| 03:13.03 | Flimzy | hernan_: If you don't know how to send an e-mail, I'm afraid you shouldn't be using Debian. |
| 03:13.09 | maher | hernan_: try to send some mail and see if it works? |
| 03:13.21 | hernan_ | Flimzy: then im doing it right, but it's not working |
| 03:13.35 | Flimzy | hernan_: You might call your local library... they might have classes on how to use a mouse, open files, and send e-mail to your grandma. |
| 03:13.46 | hernan_ | Flimzy, maher: i'm doing "mail <email>", a local user will work, but anything else won't |
| 03:13.56 | hernan_ | Flimzy: why dont you calm down? |
| 03:13.56 | madthinker | ok, while we're on simple mail questions, if i can send mail through mutt, does that mean exim's working? |
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| 03:14.18 | asg | madthinker: that's a good sign that it is, yes |
| 03:14.26 | mrGenixus | why does my installation of nvidia-kerenl fail according to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html fail? I get unkown error, am refered to log |
| 03:14.28 | Flimzy | hernan_: Congrats, your test was a success. You determined whether or not outoing mail works! |
| 03:14.29 | madthinker | thanks a lot asg. |
| 03:14.31 | madthinker | :) |
| 03:14.48 | mrGenixus | I am using kernel version 2.6.8-2 |
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| 03:15.05 | hernan_ | Flimzy: okay, calm down, i dont need you attitude. and is "mail asdf@asdf.com" supposed to work as expected? |
| 03:15.06 | mrGenixus | I have an nVidia Geforce 4 440 go |
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| 03:15.13 | MobyTurbo | madthinker: you can test for if it's made it out of the que by typing mailq (for exim do it as root) |
| 03:15.14 | calin | Thank you EvanCarr1ll |
| 03:15.15 | asg | madthinker: of course, checking /var/log/exim/mainlog will tell you also (as will 'exim -bt <address>' (at least for routing verification.)) |
| 03:15.44 | gradzac | hernan_: look at exim's logs in /var/log/exim4 and see what it puts there when you try to send a message |
| 03:15.59 | madthinker | bob2, that's exactly what i want, thanks a lot! |
| 03:16.43 | mrGenixus | would someone be willing to help me get hardware acceleration working with nVidia graphics hardware? (flimsy, is this a quesion? or what?) |
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| 03:16.55 | Flimzy | hernan_: I'm not sure if I've ever used 'mail' like that (I'm not trying to suggest it wouldn't work... just that I don't have experience using it that way). |
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| 03:17.15 | hernan_ | Flimzy: i see. |
| 03:17.15 | MobyTurbo | mrGenixus: what problem are you having? |
| 03:17.28 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: my GF4 440 MX works fine... using standard Debian installation procedures. |
| 03:17.44 | mrGenixus | Flimzy: um. . . acceleration? |
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| 03:17.59 | godsmoke | mrGenixus: just install the nvidia drivers |
| 03:18.14 | mrGenixus | MobyTurbo: module-assistant says that nvidia-lernel can't be installed becuase riva driver installed in stock kernel blocks it |
| 03:18.14 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source, then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
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| 03:18.26 | mrGenixus | godsmoke: would be pleased to. . . can you assist me? |
| 03:18.29 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: that may not be the only way to get it working, but it's how *I* have mine working |
| 03:18.31 | ResPiDeR | where do I disable MTA on boot? |
| 03:18.36 | CyzarX | greetings to all, here is my question at ==> http://undernetlinuxnewbie.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:CyzarX |
| 03:18.39 | MobyTurbo | mrGenixus: if you have a TNT[2] card be aware that the latest nvidia binary drivers don't work on some people's systems. |
| 03:18.40 | maher | hernan_: do you normally send mail via your isp? |
| 03:18.44 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: I'm using my own custom kernel, altho I believe there are instructions there for using a Debian kernel as well. |
| 03:18.55 | mrGenixus | MobyTurbo: nv gf4 440 go |
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| 03:19.03 | hernan_ | Flimzy: okay, my test didn't work, exim's logs are empty (no error logs) and my email hasnt arrived yet, any ideas? |
| 03:19.06 | TCW | mrGenixus, if the rifafb driver is staically linked in the kernel... bad luck... recompile your kernel without rivafb support or as module and don't load it! |
| 03:19.08 | maher | ResPiDeR: you may prefer to configure your mat for local delivery only so that cron can still send mail |
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| 03:19.13 | hernan_ | maher: i use gmail. |
| 03:19.18 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: If that's the problem, then the solution is fairly obvoius... don't use a stock kernel |
| 03:19.22 | shika | How do I capture combinational Keyboard inputs in my Bash shell sccript( I need monitor for Ctrl+Alt+6+3 input).. |
| 03:19.23 | maher | hernan_: use a web browser then |
| 03:19.27 | madthinker | G-UNIT. |
| 03:19.28 | ResPiDeR | maher: I will not send emails |
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| 03:19.31 | mrGenixus | Flimzy: I believe last time I discussed a custom kernel in this # i was insulted by several members, since debian's stock kernel is supposed to support *everything* |
| 03:19.34 | hernan_ | maher: what do you mean? |
| 03:19.37 | MobyTurbo | mrGenixus: then it should work perhaps, some people report problems with older geforces too, but I don't think you've gotten to the point where you can find out hardware compatability problems yet. |
| 03:19.43 | maher | ResPiDeR: yes - but maybe cron will want to email you its errors |
| 03:19.46 | Flimzy | ResPiDeR: That depends entirely on what MTA you're using. Altho normally disabling your MTA is a Really Bad Idea (tm). If you don't want to send mail to the outside world, a better solution is to configure your MTA for local delivery only (exim has a simple default config for this functionality) |
| 03:20.04 | shika | How do I capture combinational Keyboard inputs in my Bash shell sccript( I need monitor for Ctrl+Alt+6+3 input).. |
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| 03:20.11 | TCW | mrGenixus, grep -i riva /boot/config-<version> |
| 03:20.19 | maher | hernan_: isn't gmail web based? or do they give you pop/imap access? |
| 03:20.19 | shika | Are there anyt channels for Shell scripting?? |
| 03:20.28 | ggl_6 | hi folks, how can I uncompress a regular windoze .zip file in linux? what utility do I use? |
| 03:20.29 | ResPiDeR | when I boot my pc it "freezes" for a moment in "Starting MTA" because I dont connect automatically... |
| 03:20.31 | Flimzy | hernan_: telnet localhost 25, send a mail manually, learn exactly what's happening. Perhaps increase exim's verbosity (if possible) to log more info, too. |
| 03:20.34 | gradzac | maher: gmail has pop access |
| 03:20.36 | kyncani | maher: you can have pop3 access |
| 03:20.38 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: I'm the type to insult people who don't use a custom kernel. |
| 03:20.45 | hernan_ | maher: both, i sent the email to my gmail addy |
| 03:20.50 | hernan_ | Flimzy: good idea, i'll try that |
| 03:20.53 | benjamindees | when was the last time anybody installed stable from floppies, using the driver disks? |
| 03:20.54 | mrGenixus | Flimzy: then I suggest you set me to ignore |
| 03:20.59 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: The problem with the default kernel is that it supports everything. I'd rather not run a bloated kernel. |
| 03:20.59 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: even if most of the cruft is modular. |
| 03:21.11 | maher | ResPiDeR: that's a time out - you can fix that by managing the network interfaces with ifplugd |
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| 03:21.32 | Flimzy | ResPiDeR: It's trying to do a DNS lookup. Perhaps you can disable that. |
| 03:21.39 | TCW | mrGenixus, do you ignore what I am saying? |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why does dpkg shorten all the factoids? |
| 03:21.43 | ResPiDeR | Flimzy: how? |
| 03:21.51 | mrGenixus | TCW: no, I was pay precisely attention to you |
| 03:21.57 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: I'm not prepared to ignore you... I'm just letting you know that not everyone shares the same opinion about custom kernels |
| 03:21.58 | mrGenixus | and running posted command |
| 03:22.01 | mrGenixus | thank you TCW |
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| 03:22.03 | maher | hernan_: usually you just configure a random client to send/receive pop - i don't know how to get your mta to do that offhand |
| 03:22.08 | hernan_ | Flimzy, maher: do I need my dns records set up correctly before i can send mail from my computer? |
| 03:22.17 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: At the very least, a custom kernel is never _bad_ |
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| 03:22.37 | cg0def | when you compile a custom kernel what do you need to do so that it creates initrd file |
| 03:22.37 | TCW | mrGenixus, huh? I think you don't know what I was trying to say.... |
| 03:22.38 | madthinker | hernan_: are you trying to send through your isp's smtp? |
| 03:22.41 | mrGenixus | it says CONFIG_FB_RIVA=m i assume that means modular |
| 03:22.45 | gradzac | hernan_: your MTA needs to be able to resolve hostnames |
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| 03:23.00 | shingouz | what is the problem with my webcam, caminfo doesnt see any v4l devices, xawtv tells me "ioctl: VIDIOC_G_STD(std=0x0 []): invalid argument". i do have /dev/video0 at 777 for testing purposes and the correct driver seems to be loaded according to lsmod. how do i get the thing working, google turns up zilch |
| 03:23.00 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: If someone here insulted you for trying to compile your own kernel, it was probably b/c your reason for compiling it was (in their eyes) silly. But if you have to recompile to get nvidia to work, that would hardly be considered a silly reason. |
| 03:23.00 | Flimzy | ResPiDeR: that depends on your MTA |
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| 03:23.09 | TCW | mrGenixus, ahh... ok... yes... now look if it is loaded (lsmod |grep -i riva) |
| 03:23.11 | hernan_ | madthinker, gradzac: im sending the test email from my shell |
| 03:23.13 | mrGenixus | TCW: please explain further |
| 03:23.15 | struct | how can i securely login to a plaintext ftp server like proftpd? |
| 03:23.15 | Kupal[] | how can i forward all the ports going to my eth1 iface to an ip somewhere on my net using iptables? |
| 03:23.27 | Flimzy | hernan_: maybe, maybe not |
| 03:23.27 | Flimzy | hernan_: That kinda depends on your setup |
| 03:23.32 | mrGenixus | TCW: not loaded |
| 03:23.38 | gradzac | hernan_: doesn't matter, the MTA will still need to be able to get the MX record for the domain you want to send an email to |
| 03:23.39 | doneill | shiner840_ZZzz, what webcam |
| 03:23.44 | doneill | err shingouz |
| 03:23.46 | CyzarX | greetings to all, here is my question at ==> http://undernetlinuxnewbie.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:CyzarX |
| 03:23.58 | shingouz | doneill: sweex. reports as a microdia |
| 03:24.07 | hernan_ | gradzac: for the domain i want to send the email _to_. |
| 03:24.12 | doneill | is that a model number? |
| 03:24.15 | shingouz | doneill: 0x0c45:6005 |
| 03:24.17 | hernan_ | gradzac: im talking about dns record for my new domain. |
| 03:24.17 | Flimzy | hernan_: If you're using your machine's name for your outgoing mail domain (i.e. hernan@mymachine.foo.bar.com), then you do. |
| 03:24.17 | Flimzy | hernan_: If you're using your ISP mail account (hernan@myisp.com), then probably not. |
| 03:24.20 | struct | how can i securely login to a plaintext ftp server like proftpd? can i use something like netcat? |
| 03:24.27 | doneill | is THAT a model number? |
| 03:24.27 | mrGenixus | TCW: what does that mean. . . that it didn't detect? |
| 03:24.32 | TCW | mrGenixus, ok, so THAT is not your problem... the nvidia-installer complains if the rivafb module is compiled but that is not a problem (if that module is not loaded) |
| 03:24.35 | Flimzy | hernan_: In the latter case, you probably want exim to use your ISP's mail server as a smarthost |
| 03:24.51 | clueless | Hi. about the stuffs under /proc, is it created when proc file system is mounted or are there some directory? (The harddrive debian was installed is going bad, so I have to move it...) |
| 03:24.58 | gradzac | hernan_: are you sure that your ISP will let you use port 25? |
| 03:25.01 | shingouz | doneill: doesnt have a model number but according to the driver readme sn9c102 is the correct module |
| 03:25.02 | hernan_ | Flimzy: what's are the advantages of using a smarthost? |
| 03:25.09 | hernan_ | gradzac: i've done this before, somehow. |
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| 03:25.17 | doneill | shingouz, does dmesg say anything? |
| 03:25.28 | shingouz | doneill: sec |
| 03:25.35 | gradzac | hernan_: a smarthost will forward all of your outgoing mail to another MTA that you specify |
| 03:25.40 | Flimzy | hernan_: If DNS is broken/misconfigured, you should be able to send mail... BUT... many mail servers may reject your mail if it's forward and reverse lookups on your IP don't match. (You'll only worry about this if you control DNS for your IP... i.e. not on a typical consumer-grade Internet connection) |
| 03:25.41 | hernan_ | gradzac: i had to format my pc, and i installed sarge while i was at it, and now im confused :/ |
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| 03:25.53 | TCW | mrGenixus, no... it just means that this is not your problem ;) IF the module was loaded, then that would explain your problem... but it is not loaded, so you do have another problem which is somewhat unrelated to the rivafb thing. |
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| 03:26.09 | Flimzy | hernan_: Do you control your own domain? |
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| 03:26.17 | mrGenixus | TCW I am researcing the problem further, will return in a moment with more details |
| 03:26.20 | hernan_ | Flimzy: im using dynamic dns (afraid.org) |
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| 03:26.40 | shingouz | doneill: yes, tells me that the /dev/video0 is registered with the sn9c102 driver |
| 03:26.51 | doneill | shingouz, it probably has fixed resolutions |
| 03:27.09 | doneill | shingouz, try bttvgrab with some preset resolutions, starting with QCIF |
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| 03:27.14 | shingouz | doneill: probably... how do i make the software understand it? |
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| 03:27.24 | Flimzy | hernan_: So you want hernan@afraid.org to work, basically? |
| 03:27.25 | gradzac | hernan_: you want to be able to get email send to afraid.org? or you are just trying to send email from your machine? |
| 03:27.26 | ggl_6 | afraid.org? is that better than dyndns.org? |
| 03:27.29 | doneill | shingouz, it doesn't it just needs to set a supported res before trying to capture |
| 03:27.37 | hernan_ | Flimzy: afraid.org is a free dynamic dns provider |
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| 03:27.50 | hernan_ | ggl_6 afraid.org lets you use your own domains for free. |
| 03:27.51 | shingouz | doneill: hmm... bttvgrab is what you mentioned. lemme apt-get |
| 03:27.53 | mrGenixus | TCW: it seems that even though the module is not being loaded, module-assistant fails due to sanity-check |
| 03:27.58 | doneill | shingouz, try 180x160, 160x120, 320x200, 320x240, 640x480, 720x480 |
| 03:28.02 | Flimzy | hernan_: dynamic DNS is something I've never had a reson to mess with (I've always used static IPs for my mail servers). |
| 03:28.09 | doneill | in that order.. |
| 03:28.20 | ggl_6 | oh yeah? lemme check it out thanks.. |
| 03:28.22 | mrGenixus | TCW: what this means, is, apparently I have to create a custom kernel, just to get fid of rivafb support? |
| 03:28.25 | gradzac | hernan_: are you using exim4? |
| 03:28.26 | hernan_ | ggl_6 np |
| 03:28.29 | Flimzy | hernan_: I'm not exactly sure what complications that may add |
| 03:28.29 | Flimzy | hernan_: ah... so... foo@hernan.afraid.org |
| 03:28.29 | hernan_ | gradzac yes |
| 03:28.35 | TCW | mrGenixus, lets start all over... what exact steps did you perform to get where you are right now? |
| 03:28.35 | mrGenixus | TCW: does that make sense to you? |
| 03:28.44 | TCW | mrGenixus, no :) |
| 03:28.48 | mrGenixus | um, installed/upgraded to 2.6.8-2 |
| 03:28.49 | hernan_ | Flimzy hernan@myowndomain.com |
| 03:28.54 | Flimzy | hernan_: You don't want a smarthost in that case, tho |
| 03:28.54 | Flimzy | hernan_: I can tell you that much :) |
| 03:28.57 | shingouz | doneill: bttvgrab? apt-cache search doesnt seem to find that? |
| 03:28.59 | mrGenixus | installed appropriate headers for compile reference |
| 03:29.01 | gradzac | hernan_: you should set up exim as a smarthost and tell it to forward outgoing mail to your ISP's server |
| 03:29.01 | hernan_ | Flimzy : afriad.org is my dns host |
| 03:29.02 | yxa | what is the best way to mass-create user accounts? |
| 03:29.03 | mrGenixus | um.. . |
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| 03:29.20 | doneill | shingouz, not sure what package it's in, search by contents at packages.debian.org |
| 03:29.20 | hernan_ | gradzac, Flimzy, you guys are contradicting yourselves :/ |
| 03:29.29 | shingouz | doneill: ok, brb |
| 03:29.33 | mrGenixus | TCW: aquired nvidia-kernel and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 03:29.45 | mrGenixus | attempted module-assistant autoinstall nvidia |
| 03:29.49 | EvanCarroll | oh dear god shit |
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| 03:29.53 | mrGenixus | failure produced error log |
| 03:29.57 | EvanCarroll | i just killed my user Debian-exim now apt won't work |
| 03:30.04 | cg0def | I installed a custom kernel (for a laptop) with make-kpkg but it didn't create an initrd file |
| 03:30.06 | EvanCarroll | wtf does Debian-exim have to do with apt |
| 03:30.10 | TCW | mrGenixus, paste that log somehwere online |
| 03:30.11 | cg0def | is this the way it ususally works |
| 03:30.13 | madthinker | do i have to configure php to explicitly use exim or does pointing it to /usr/sbin/sendmail suffice? |
| 03:30.14 | TCW | !paste |
| 03:30.15 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 03:30.19 | gradzac | Flimzy is correct in a technical sense, but if you are on a residential connection you most likely will not be able to run an SMTP server from your machine |
| 03:30.22 | mrGenixus | error log reads:Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support! |
| 03:30.26 | jim | EvanCarroll: examine the situation and see |
| 03:30.34 | mrGenixus | TCW: The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver, please. . . |
| 03:30.43 | EvanCarroll | uknown group 'Debian-exim' in status override file |
| 03:30.44 | TCW | mrGenixus, the complete log... please! |
| 03:30.44 | clueless | yxa: there's solaris package out there that creats user with list of names and ssn.... |
| 03:30.46 | EvanCarroll | that is not good. |
| 03:30.49 | mrGenixus | reconfigure kernel. . . |
| 03:30.57 | mrGenixus | tcw pm? |
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| 03:31.04 | mrGenixus | I do not wish to food channel? |
| 03:31.04 | EvanCarroll | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 03:31.08 | TCW | mrGenixus, no! See what dpkg said! |
| 03:31.27 | TCW | mrGenixus, /msg paster help |
| 03:31.29 | jim | if you get rid of users or groups that packages establish, you're messing with packaging |
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| 03:31.44 | hernan_ | gradzac: im doing all this because my web hosting provider is pure crap (netfirms.com), and i managed to get my domain out of their servers. what would be the easiest, most reliable way of getting my email from my new domain? |
| 03:31.46 | maher | EvanCarroll: remake the user/group |
| 03:31.56 | EvanCarroll | jim: I got rid of the package, i felt it only apropriate to get rid of the user |
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| 03:32.05 | EvanCarroll | jim: No more exim at all on my system |
| 03:32.22 | benjamindees | hernan_, find a new, reliable web hosting provider |
| 03:32.35 | mrGenixus | TCW: dpkg was not run |
| 03:32.35 | gradzac | hernan_: first you need to find out if your ISP blocks inbound port 25 (which they probably do) |
| 03:32.36 | EvanCarroll | maher: i dont remember the username/groupname and uid and gid, so i don't see how that would be usefull |
| 03:32.44 | TCW | mrGenixus, what? |
| 03:32.55 | shingouz | doneill: bttvgrab doesnt seem to be on sid :( |
| 03:32.58 | mrGenixus | TCW: i guess I also tried to install a prebuild modules, but it didn't work at all |
| 03:33.02 | hernan_ | gradzac : the thing is, my server was working before i formatted it and messed everything up :/ |
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| 03:33.10 | hernan_ | gradzac: so port 25 is open. |
| 03:33.22 | mrGenixus | TCW: dpkg was not, at any time, run (did not run dpkg) |
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| 03:33.34 | FieldySnuts | other isps like mine just started doing, block outgoing port 25 (not inbound) |
| 03:33.36 | gradzac | hernan_: you should have saved the config files :) |
| 03:33.36 | mrGenixus | TCW: when should I have run dpkg ? |
| 03:33.46 | TCW | mrGenixus, I was thinking of "dpkg" the bot here! |
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| 03:34.08 | hernan_ | gradzac: if i could have had that oportunity, i wouldnt have had to format :) but yeah, i'll make a backup as soon as i get everything up and running. |
| 03:34.10 | gradzac | hernan_: have you tried googling for how to configure exim? I know there are a couple of good pages out there since I used them to get my server working |
| 03:34.21 | mrGenixus | TCW oh? what would I ask it? |
| 03:34.22 | TCW | mrGenixus, omg, just go to http://nopaste.php.cd and paste the FULL log |
| 03:34.34 | benjamindees | FieldySnuts, mine did too, and I had to bitch at them for a half hour to get it fixed :( |
| 03:34.46 | hernan_ | gradzac: google ! good idea |
| 03:34.47 | TCW | mrGenixus, and after you've done that, provide the link to what you did paste |
| 03:34.56 | hernan_ | brb 1 sec |
| 03:35.06 | clueless | The harddrive debian was installed is dying. I tried to use 'dd' command but it gets stuck for some reason. Any suggestions? |
| 03:35.08 | gradzac | I gave up trying to run a mail server on my home network and use gmail exclusively now |
| 03:35.08 | mrGenixus | ok, TCW, how do I get the log, it's in an ncusers pager interface |
| 03:35.20 | mrGenixus | TCW: *or ncurses |
| 03:35.42 | jim | maybe it's also in some file |
| 03:35.43 | clueless | The harddrive debian was installed is dying. I tried to use 'dd' command to move the whole thing to another hdd but it gets stuck for some reason. Any suggestions? |
| 03:35.48 | EvanCarroll | maher: jim: solution found: remove /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 03:35.50 | mrGenixus | TCW: one sec |
| 03:35.53 | mrGenixus | m |
| 03:36.05 | maher | clueless: maybe you're hard drive is dead? |
| 03:36.09 | TCW | mrGenixus, uh... is there something in /var/log/ called nv...? Upper or lowercase |
| 03:36.15 | maher | s/you're/your |
| 03:36.18 | benjamindees | clueless, try 'partition image' |
| 03:36.29 | TCW | clueless, try dd-rescue |
| 03:36.31 | jim | EvanCarroll: now you;;re removing parts of the debian packaging database |
| 03:36.41 | Xenguy | clueless: do you have a data backup? |
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| 03:37.15 | clueless | maher: it's dying... not totally dead... the defect is in swap partition so I can boot up... |
| 03:37.25 | mrGenixus | TCW: http://pastebin.com/248655 |
| 03:37.31 | mrGenixus | TCW: whole log |
| 03:37.38 | maher | clueless: just grab the stuff that's not in swap then |
| 03:37.51 | maher | clueless: what's wrong with cp? |
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| 03:38.19 | TCW | clueless, but if the contents of the drive are not important to you or just binaries... throw that disk away (maybe check first if it is really broken), plug a new disk in, reinstall... I would not count on a good restore from such a broken disk |
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| 03:38.45 | EvanCarroll | jim: yea im on a roll aren't i, when someone makes a good case why i need to have a remnant file of exim, ill get fix my packaging database |
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| 03:39.22 | shika | How do I capture combinational Keyboard inputs in my shell sccript( I need to monitor for Ctrl+Alt+6+3 input).. |
| 03:39.25 | maher | EvanCarroll: deleting random dpkg files isn't a good ieda |
| 03:39.29 | EvanCarroll | jim: however i truly doubt the user Debian-exim will play a roll on a file fully devoid of exim, its like forcing emac confs on a vim user's machine =/ |
| 03:39.48 | EvanCarroll | system fully* |
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| 03:40.13 | EvanCarroll | maher: anyway, no need to flame exim for being inferior, it just has no place on my system, and im going to dinner, ttyl all |
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| 03:40.51 | TCW | mrGenixus, $ ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 03:41.21 | mrGenixus | TCW no such file or dir? |
| 03:41.43 | TCW | mrGenixus, you lack a compiler... install gcc |
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| 03:41.58 | mrGenixus | ok, I will, but will that fix the riva error? |
| 03:41.59 | brady | what is the difference between imagemagick and graphicsmagick? |
| 03:42.00 | jim | you should have the choice of doing anything you want to, to your machine... we're just letting you know what the consequences of your choice might be (could include: no one would recognize your system as being a debian and so not want to help you out) |
| 03:42.03 | CyzarX | when the server is directly connected to the internet, then the client can surf the net using URL but when the server is connected to another router/gateway ip, the client cant surf the net using url. instead client must use ip instead. why is that so? |
| 03:42.10 | TCW | mrGenixus, am I Jesus? |
| 03:42.37 | mrGenixus | TCW: um, sorry, let me try and I'll answer my own question, sorry |
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| 03:42.46 | mrGenixus | TCW: you could just take it as a compliment |
| 03:42.53 | TCW | mrGenixus, it is obvious that you NEED a gcc to compile *things* and it is more obvioas that it is NOT installed... so I bet THAT is the true problem |
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| 03:43.48 | mrGenixus | TCW: ok, trying again WITH gcc |
| 03:44.17 | themolester | are linksys kvm switches any good? |
| 03:44.18 | clueless | TCW: isn't gcc installed by default on debian??? |
| 03:44.22 | mrGenixus | TCW: hail nmaster |
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| 03:44.31 | mrGenixus | clueless: true to your name |
| 03:44.47 | mrGenixus | TCW: thank you |
| 03:44.51 | TCW | clueless, have a look at mrGenixus... obviously not. Lets not think he did delete it intentionally |
| 03:44.53 | mrGenixus | it seems to have worked |
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| 03:45.03 | mrGenixus | TCW: heaven forbit |
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| 03:45.10 | brady | twm, woo. |
| 03:45.55 | mrGenixus | TCW: ok, will be back |
| 03:46.01 | TCW | clueless, and... btw. the normal user won't need a gcc because he will not compile anything... so why should it be installed in the base system (which is "default" everything is highly optional) |
| 03:46.25 | TCW | s/everything/everything else/ |
| 03:47.07 | dhruv | Hi, I'm trying to setup x forwarding using ssh. It works fine when iptables on the server is inactive(no rules), but if turn the firewall on(allow all to a single host), ssh console works, but no x apps pop up. Any ideas? |
| 03:47.26 | mrGenixus | exit |
| 03:47.58 | TCW | dhruv, the ports you need fpr X11 forwarding are blocked by the paketfilter? Firts guess ;) |
| 03:48.08 | TCW | First even |
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| 03:48.15 | clueless | themolester: an experienced sys admin told me all kvms have dark under belly..... |
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| 03:49.03 | dhruv | TCW: but using ssh, shouldn't the only port needed be the ssh port? isn't that how people circumvent firewalls at work/schools? |
| 03:49.06 | johnsu01_ | I'm trying to do a new install from a USB stick. I followed the directions at http://d-i.pascal.at/, but I just get MBR: Boot Failed. |
| 03:50.00 | johnsu01_ | The stick is formatted as FAT16, with one partition marked bootable in cfdisk. |
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| 03:50.17 | abrotman | johnsu01_: did you read the docs at www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer ? |
| 03:50.19 | TCW | dhruv, good point ;) I must say I have never used X11 forwarding, so... no further idea :) |
| 03:50.33 | abrotman | i guess os |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | so |
| 03:50.35 | jim | johnsu01_: can you boot with a floppy and then do the stick? |
| 03:50.37 | dhruv | TCW: oh well, thanks anyway |
| 03:51.14 | johnsu01_ | jim: No floppy or CD drive on this little laptop. |
| 03:51.34 | mboso | a |
| 03:51.41 | johnsu01_ | abrotman: Any particular one? I'm pretty sure I've read the important bits out of all of them. I've done a few debian installs before this one. |
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| 03:51.52 | johnsu01_ | Never from USB though. |
| 03:52.14 | abrotman | johnsu01_: you just said you read the link .. |
| 03:52.20 | TCW | johnsu01_, the laptop is usb-boot-capable? |
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| 03:52.47 | johnsu01_ | TCW: Yes, and it sees the USB stick and identifies it. USB is in the boot order, and USB support in the BIOS is on. |
| 03:53.48 | TCW | dhruv, but for sure... have a look in the active iptables rules... maybe you see what could be the problem (iptables -L) |
| 03:53.57 | TCW | funny :) |
| 03:54.06 | johnsu01_ | abrotman: Not following you, sorry. |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | johnsu01_: ignore me :) |
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| 03:55.22 | shika | How do I capture combinational Keyboard inputs in my shell sccript( I need to monitor for Ctrl+Alt+6+3 input).. |
| 03:55.33 | clueless | what will happen if I do 'find /dev -print | cpio -padm /newhdd/dev'? |
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| 03:56.22 | TCW | clueless, something that does not make sense I suppose |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | shika: #bash |
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| 03:56.39 | maher | clueless: what do you want to do? |
| 03:56.41 | callipygous | heh |
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| 03:57.01 | abrotman | the funny thing is .. clueless is such an apt nick :) |
| 03:57.02 | clueless | TCW: it seems to work splendidly for /usr..... |
| 03:57.04 | shika | None could answer me BASH |
| 03:57.25 | callipygous | BASH |
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| 03:57.41 | TCW | clueless, but that does not change the sense behind that if you use it for /dev |
| 03:57.47 | dhruv | TCW: the problem I had was that I needed to add a rule for localhost ->localhost |
| 03:57.53 | travisat | shika: and you think people on #debian know more about bash than those on #bash? |
| 03:57.55 | dhruv | TCW: in case you care |
| 03:58.15 | TCW | dhruv, I do care... thanks :) |
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| 03:59.05 | callipygous | SCSI transfer rates should be faster than an equivalent vintage IDE drive, right? |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:59.31 | stew | depending on the vintage of the scsi of course |
| 03:59.39 | callipygous | thought so... |
| 03:59.39 | manu | but usually |
| 03:59.42 | manu | they are |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | stew: dunno .. scsi has always been faster afaik |
| 03:59.46 | manu | anyway |
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| 03:59.58 | manu | correct abrotman |
| 03:59.59 | callipygous | well assuming that the SCSI is a 1996 vintage, and the IDE the same |
| 04:00.04 | abrotman | stew: at least top of the line scsi |
| 04:00.09 | setuid | Can someone explain to me where in this mess of Debian Apache2 configs, I'm supposed to put my mod_perl startup environment? |
| 04:00.12 | clueless | if the scsi card came with zip drive..... |
| 04:00.15 | stew | callipygous: the scsi will almost definately be faster |
| 04:00.31 | callipygous | cool, is hdparm -t an accurate way to test this? |
| 04:00.39 | stew | callipygous: bonnie== |
| 04:00.40 | stew | err |
| 04:00.41 | stew | ++ |
| 04:00.42 | Bobf | why caudium is require for updating apache2? |
| 04:00.45 | stew | damn shift key |
| 04:00.48 | callipygous | bonnie??? |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | Bobf: i dont know .. but if you find out . let me know |
| 04:00.55 | callipygous | is that some kinda benchmark program? |
| 04:00.56 | abrotman | Bobf: i removed it right after |
| 04:00.56 | stew | !bonnie== |
| 04:00.59 | stew | err |
| 04:01.01 | stew | grr |
| 04:01.06 | stew | !bonnie++ |
| 04:01.14 | abrotman | !stew-- |
| 04:01.18 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:01.24 | stew | !info bonie++ |
| 04:01.30 | stew | oh i give up |
| 04:01.32 | callipygous | hahah :P |
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| 04:01.36 | Bobf | abrotman, i just remove it from my runlvl and shutdown it. i didnt know if it would break somme thing |
| 04:01.47 | zach_ | how do i setup a dual head |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | bob2: i just `apt-get --purge remove caudium` |
| 04:02.07 | abrotman | Bobf: |
| 04:02.08 | callipygous | well anyway, I did hdparm -t for this scsi drive, and was only getting 3KB/Sec transfer :( |
| 04:02.12 | Bobf | dist-upgrade often install unrelated pakage |
| 04:02.15 | travisat | zach_: step one, find new head. step two attach head at neck. |
| 04:02.24 | stew | callipygous: seriously try to figure out the package name i can't type |
| 04:02.26 | zach_ | nice |
| 04:02.31 | zach_ | im serious |
| 04:02.34 | zach_ | two monitors |
| 04:02.36 | callipygous | tho on an IDE of the same age, I was able to get about 7KB/Sec with DMA |
| 04:02.38 | abrotman | Bobf: not in my experience |
| 04:02.38 | zach_ | on one comp |
| 04:02.44 | callipygous | (this is testing with DMA) |
| 04:02.44 | travisat | zach_: xinerama |
| 04:02.49 | stew | !info bonnie++ |
| 04:02.51 | zach_ | whats that |
| 04:02.51 | dpkg | bonnie++: (Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.03a (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 99 kB |
| 04:02.52 | callipygous | stew: okay, thanks, i'll search for it |
| 04:02.55 | callipygous | oh |
| 04:03.10 | travisat | !xinerama |
| 04:03.10 | dpkg | hmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 04:03.12 | clueless | !info dd-rescue |
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| 04:03.52 | findme | if I have a windows printer how can i print through linux ? |
| 04:04.00 | setuid | sigh |
| 04:04.01 | abrotman | smbprint ? |
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| 04:04.15 | findme | abrotman, won't it need linux drivers though? |
| 04:04.21 | zach_ | how do i get xinerama |
| 04:04.24 | abrotman | findme: dunno . i don't own a printer :) |
| 04:04.44 | findme | abrotman, bought a new dell 962 for 100 usd |
| 04:04.45 | maher | findme: check linuxprinting.or to see if it works |
| 04:04.50 | findme | k |
| 04:04.57 | zach_ | ???????????????????????????/ |
| 04:05.06 | stew | easy there zach |
| 04:05.29 | stew | zach_: google for xinerama |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | findme: i still don't owna printer .. and certainly not any dell crap |
| 04:05.56 | callipygous | tho I guess testing the SCSI is useless unless there is a way to tweak its performance, ie DMA (tho I don't think this computer will do DMA) etc |
| 04:05.58 | findme | k, no worries |
| 04:05.58 | travisat | findme: get HP printers, they usually work great with linuyx |
| 04:06.00 | Xenguy | I think Refused were pioneer/innovative types -- precursors to 'screamo' punk stuff |
| 04:06.03 | Xenguy | heh |
| 04:06.05 | Xenguy | ww |
| 04:06.08 | findme | what the heck is a print server ? |
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| 04:06.25 | findme | travisat, for the price dell beats it with a yard. |
| 04:06.25 | callipygous | HP are just alright for linux |
| 04:06.38 | abrotman | callipygous: check dmesg |
| 04:06.42 | CyzarX | printing in linux is a nightmare |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | callipygous: and scsi doesnt' have dms |
| 04:06.47 | deepfrze | anyone know if there is going to be a kernel image released for K7 ?? |
| 04:06.47 | abrotman | dma |
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| 04:06.58 | travisat | findme: until you start playing around with ink cartridges. |
| 04:06.59 | callipygous | Linux printing recommends EPSON |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | deepfrze: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 04:07.09 | travisat | Epson is also good |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | deepfrze: apt-cache search kernel-image k7 |
| 04:07.15 | clueless | nah, cheap HP ink jets sux |
| 04:07.18 | findme | travisat, now that is different. ink jet is expensive |
| 04:07.23 | deepfrze | errr, 2.6.9 or above |
| 04:07.33 | callipygous | yes, cheap HP's do suck, even epensive ones aren't that great |
| 04:07.34 | abrotman | deepfrze: for sarge? |
| 04:07.38 | stew | printing is so 20th century |
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| 04:07.52 | findme | what the heck is a print server for ? |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | eeep .. helix has a tick! |
| 04:07.59 | deepfrze | abrotman: yes, but even unstable doesn't have one |
| 04:08.01 | callipygous | I'd go with EPSON, and DEFINATELY avoid Canon |
| 04:08.01 | travisat | serving printers |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | deepfrze: for k7? |
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| 04:08.17 | abrotman | deepfrze: i don't run sid .. so ican't say |
| 04:08.17 | callipygous | but check out what linuxprinting.org says |
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| 04:08.20 | callipygous | i think that is the url |
| 04:08.26 | deepfrze | abrotman: yes, 2.6.9 or above |
| 04:08.31 | CyzarX | when the server is directly connected to the internet, then the client can surf the net using URL but when the server is connected to another router/gateway ip, the client cant surf the net using url. instead client must use ip instead. why is that so? |
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| 04:09.06 | jasz | !rss |
| 04:09.07 | travisat | CyzarX: sounds like something is wrong with your dns |
| 04:09.20 | callipygous | so if you can't use DMA on SCSI, what can you do to get some performance out of it? |
| 04:09.22 | deepfrze | abrotman: is K7 compatible with K8? |
| 04:09.24 | findme | dns is messed up |
| 04:09.27 | CyzarX | travisat, both server and client using my ISP dns ip |
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| 04:09.41 | asiwiec | hello |
| 04:09.46 | clueless | findme: print server let network users share a printer easily..... |
| 04:09.47 | abrotman | callipygous: you don't tune scsi ... it just is .. it's a much better system than ide/pata/sata |
| 04:09.54 | travisat | CyzarX: is bind and all that good stuff setup |
| 04:09.59 | findme | clueless, thanks |
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| 04:10.01 | asiwiec | Can any one help me |
| 04:10.03 | [ZoPeNkO] | o |
| 04:10.03 | jasz | damn chicken soup is making me fart like crazy... and it's all wet.. ew... |
| 04:10.09 | CyzarX | travisat, bind?? |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | callipygous: you can tune scsi arrays .. but i'm pretty sure a single scsi drive doesn't get tuned |
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| 04:10.31 | findme | clueless, would you know if i can buy a print server and print it through linux ? |
| 04:10.35 | mwilson | callipygous: Where did you get the idea that a SCSI host adapter couldn't do DMA? |
| 04:10.38 | Nicckk | I changed /etc/passwd file to disable ROOT Access in my Shell script. which ran from Root shell... what should I do to ahve the immediate effect on disabling ROOT??? |
| 04:10.49 | deepfrze | jasz: that's a mental image I didn't need to have... |
| 04:10.51 | callipygous | yup |
| 04:10.53 | callipygous | dunno |
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| 04:11.02 | [ZoPeNkO] | Hello, I Want to know about Any MultiTrack Audio editing Software. Compatible with a Debian Sarge- ( PII 128 Ram) |
| 04:11.02 | travisat | !bind |
| 04:11.02 | callipygous | im dumb to SCSI |
| 04:11.02 | dpkg | from memory, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | mwilson: i didn't think they could |
| 04:11.12 | Nicckk | Now I need to logout and Log back in to see Root shell is disabled |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | mwilson: i told him |
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| 04:11.24 | mwilson | abrotman: Where'd you get a silly idea like that? |
| 04:11.27 | abrotman | mwilson: i had tried before .. and been told it wasn't possible |
| 04:11.56 | callipygous | Im just thinking, hoping that some way I can get a bit better transfer rates with this SCSi drive |
| 04:12.10 | stew | without dma scsi would suck and tie down the entire system |
| 04:12.11 | abrotman | mwilson: this was quite some time ago ... |
| 04:12.16 | Nicckk | I changed /etc/passwd file to disable ROOT Access in my Shell script. which ran from Root shell... what should I do to ahve the immediate effect on disabling ROOT??? |
| 04:12.20 | clueless | findme: if you are trying to get a printer working under linux, the answer is NO. |
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| 04:12.43 | abrotman | mwilson: maybe i was told i couldn't change it with hdparm ? |
| 04:12.45 | abrotman | who knows |
| 04:12.51 | mwilson | clueless: Uh, why wouldn't he be able to do what he suggested? |
| 04:12.52 | travisat | findme: printers work great in linux if you have ppd file |
| 04:12.58 | abrotman | it was a while ago when i had a dual box with SCSI drives |
| 04:13.27 | Nicckk | I changed /etc/passwd file to disable ROOT Access in my Shell script. which ran from Root shell... what should I do to ahve the immediate effect on disabling ROOT??? |
| 04:13.39 | callipygous | okay, how would I get DMA with this SCSI drive, if it is possible with such an old system |
| 04:13.40 | findme | clueless, ah ok. I am trying different options as to how to make that work. |
| 04:13.41 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Nicckk about repeat |
| 04:13.45 | findme | travisat, ok thanks |
| 04:13.48 | stew | hdparm manpage does mention scsi |
| 04:13.53 | mwilson | Nicckk: Donate the box to someone who has a clue? |
| 04:14.03 | [ZoPeNkO] | mwilson, lol |
| 04:14.10 | abrotman | mwilson: i think i was basically told you couldn't tune scsi with hdparm .. |
| 04:14.10 | callipygous | hdparm can't do much with SCSi drives |
| 04:14.23 | callipygous | about all hdparm can do is -t -T and get some info |
| 04:14.31 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 04:14.41 | clueless | mwilson: I think he's trying to make GDI printer work under linux.... a print server wont help... unless he sets up a whole windows machine and call it 'print server'.... |
| 04:14.44 | Nicckk | you just see smartasses everywhere.. wils |
| 04:14.56 | mwilson | clueless: He didn't say that, why would you think that? |
| 04:14.58 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 04:15.10 | TCW | cya folks, I am gone |
| 04:15.20 | callipygous | ta ta |
| 04:15.22 | mwilson | Nicckk: You see clueless people everywhere, too. What made you think you should mess in any way with /etc/passwd? |
| 04:15.29 | daww | Do I need initrd.img if I have IDE support as modules in a compiled kernel? |
| 04:15.43 | mwilson | daww: What do you think? |
| 04:15.49 | scarynetworkguy | I see stupid people everywhere. They don't even know they're stupid. |
| 04:15.59 | [ZoPeNkO] | Hello, I Want to know about Any MultiTrack Audio editing Software. Compatible with a Debian Sarge- ( PII 128 Ram) |
| 04:16.00 | asiwiec | does any body know how to install j2sdk |
| 04:16.14 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Oh, they do... they just think everyone else is like them. |
| 04:16.19 | abrotman | Nicckk: are you even running debian? |
| 04:16.19 | callipygous | stupidity is different to ignorance |
| 04:16.21 | scarynetworkguy | daww: apt-get install kernel-package and then read the readme. |
| 04:16.26 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Heh. |
| 04:16.34 | abrotman | Nicckk: you were here before as shika |
| 04:16.50 | abrotman | [shika] (~cgiirc@67.19.211.218) : CGI:IRC User |
| 04:16.59 | asiwiec | can anybody help me get eclipse up and running? |
| 04:17.04 | callipygous | ooh, he's been found out! |
| 04:17.10 | scarynetworkguy | !tell asiwiec about smart questions |
| 04:17.13 | abrotman | and still can't tell us he's running debian |
| 04:17.20 | daww | mwilson, well, I don't know, can you maybe tell me |
| 04:17.26 | Ether_Man | cgi irc.. it doesnt have to be him as the webserver is actually what connects to irc.. |
| 04:17.44 | abrotman | Ether_Man: asking the same question? |
| 04:17.56 | Ether_Man | oh.. Then it's prob him ^_^ |
| 04:18.05 | scarynetworkguy | Duh. |
| 04:18.23 | callipygous | back to my SCSI issue... how do I find out about DMA for it? or some other way of improving performance |
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| 04:18.56 | scarynetworkguy | callipygous: What do the SCSI docs, google and the how to on http://www.tldp.org say? |
| 04:18.58 | abrotman | and every time .. as soon as i question him running debian ... he goes |
| 04:19.05 | moodsoft | hi all, can someone tell me what I need to tell apt-get I want to get: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2? |
| 04:19.40 | callipygous | hahaha |
| 04:19.44 | scarynetworkguy | moodsoft: dpkg -l *libstdc* |
| 04:19.53 | daww | I have followed this howto: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, it just tells that Ext3 file systems should be build into the kernel and not as modules |
| 04:20.05 | callipygous | dunno, i'll check that last one |
| 04:20.10 | scarynetworkguy | callipygous: You did look at the docs before coming in here asking shit, right? |
| 04:20.22 | callipygous | yup, haven't looked on tldp tho |
| 04:20.23 | scarynetworkguy | !tell callipygous about smart questions |
| 04:20.25 | moodsoft | scarynetworkguy: wouldn't I need to get it via apt-get first? |
| 04:20.31 | Ketter_ | moodsoft: is that "to get" or "to install" what you mean ? |
| 04:20.45 | stew | daww: anything you need to mount your filesystems should be compiled in, not as modules |
| 04:20.51 | madthinker | moodsoft: apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
| 04:20.57 | moodsoft | Ketter_: using apt-get |
| 04:21.01 | moodsoft | thanks mad |
| 04:21.09 | madthinker | i think. (blush) |
| 04:21.15 | scarynetworkguy | moodsoft: Never ever ever run anything that some random monkey on IRC tells you to. But read about what that will do. Then when you grok it do what it says. |
| 04:21.31 | [ZoPeNkO] | No one here does Audio Editing ??? |
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| 04:21.42 | scarynetworkguy | Unless of course you have a really good idea of what it is going to do. |
| 04:21.42 | madthinker | i'd prefer not to be referred to as a monkey though. |
| 04:21.50 | Ketter_ | moodsoft: let me put it this way.. "to download" or "to install" with the use of apt ? |
| 04:21.51 | daww | stew, thank you (one that respond =), so that would be the file system, root device, anything more? |
| 04:21.58 | scarynetworkguy | :bofhsmite madthinker |
| 04:22.10 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite madthinker |
| 04:22.13 | callipygous | well that site had nothing about scsi when i searched for it |
| 04:22.22 | scarynetworkguy | madthinker: Did anybody say anything about you? |
| 04:22.24 | moodsoft | Ketter_: to install |
| 04:22.26 | scarynetworkguy | callipygous: And google? |
| 04:22.33 | clueless | [ZoPeNkO] yes. I plug my ears when things get too noisy. |
| 04:22.51 | [ZoPeNkO] | Congrats clueless |
| 04:22.54 | madthinker | not specifically. |
| 04:22.55 | [ZoPeNkO] | Hello, I Want to know about Any MultiTrack Audio editing Software. Compatible with a Debian Sarge- ( PII 128 Ram) |
| 04:22.57 | madthinker | :) |
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| 04:23.08 | Ketter_ | moodsoft: then apt-cache search libstdc yourself a list of possible candidates, and then apt-get install package. |
| 04:23.15 | stew | daww: filesystem and disk controller, whatever you need to mount the root drive so it can load other modules from /lib/modules/ |
| 04:23.18 | scarynetworkguy | !tell [ZoPeNkO] about smart questions |
| 04:23.18 | callipygous | tried google ages ago, oh maybe its search feature is shagged rotten, is has howto's there |
| 04:23.20 | astronut | is there anyway to make dpkg keep a log of all installs/uninstalls/upgrades with times? |
| 04:23.25 | moodsoft | Ketter_: thanks |
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| 04:23.43 | maher | astronut: use aptitude |
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| 04:24.07 | scarynetworkguy | astronut: What does the apt manpage say? |
| 04:24.09 | daww | stew, ok, then I know what to do |
| 04:24.43 | scarynetworkguy | "That dingo ate my belly!" |
| 04:25.06 | astronut | maher: aptitude sucks for quickly installing stuff.... |
| 04:25.11 | astronut | scarynetworkguy: nothing that i saw...did i miss it? |
| 04:25.13 | [ZoPeNkO] | scarynetworkguy, well i'f i'm asking here is because i Found gmurf and BroadCast 2000 and Didnt Run at all.... so i think i searched, Found, tried and Failed, so That's why i'm here and i dont see where is the "Stupid" thing about my Question |
| 04:25.28 | maher | astronut: you can do aptitiude install blah |
| 04:25.37 | stew | daww: too bad you didn't know what to do the last 2 times i told you the same exact thing... |
| 04:25.44 | simonrvn | yet more inappropriate capitalisation... |
| 04:25.53 | astronut | maher: where does it log? |
| 04:26.07 | scarynetworkguy | [ZoPeNkO]: It's way too vaque. What do you want to know? What do you want to do? Details man details. |
| 04:26.19 | mono | hi, i'm in pretty big mess. i have tried to upgrade from stable -> unstable. I've leaned my mistake. My upgrade never really eneded (lots of pkgs that were broken and never really ended unpkging). I am trying to upgrade now to testing.. |
| 04:26.23 | moodsoft | well, thought I found it, and installed it. but vncpasswd says it doesn't see it ;-( |
| 04:26.24 | scarynetworkguy | astronut: I dunno never looked myself. Did you google? |
| 04:26.30 | [ZoPeNkO] | scarynetworkguy, I want a Multi Track Software That works with debian Sarge ... that's all |
| 04:26.35 | CyzarX | travisat, if you dont mind, can you please look at http://undernetlinuxnewbie.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:CyzarX |
| 04:26.43 | scarynetworkguy | [ZoPeNkO]: What did google say? |
| 04:26.47 | daww | stew, well, I've tried many ways now, I've started with linux 2 weeks ago so... |
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| 04:27.00 | astronut | what i'd really like is dpkg having a way to log...so if you install a .deb lcoally, it logs that too |
| 04:27.03 | mono | i was upgrading initially because openwebmail was using a broken perl module |
| 04:27.08 | daww | stew, but this should do it |
| 04:27.09 | scarynetworkguy | [ZoPeNkO]: And did you look at p.d.o? |
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| 04:27.33 | jadoogar | which program to use for reading *.ps files in windows ? |
| 04:27.49 | [ZoPeNkO] | Google said ,,, gmurf, broadcast2000 .... i did apt-cache search ... wasn't there. found the source page, downloade it followd instalation instructions and didnt work .. |
| 04:27.50 | scarynetworkguy | jadoogar: /j #windows |
| 04:27.51 | Ether_Man | O_o |
| 04:27.55 | astronut | jadoogar: acrobat? |
| 04:27.59 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 04:28.00 | [ZoPeNkO] | scarynetworkguy, i dont know what p.d.o. is |
| 04:28.04 | SingleTrackMind | jadoogar : emacs |
| 04:28.09 | scarynetworkguy | [ZoPeNkO]: Ask the bot. |
| 04:28.14 | callipygous | okay, well the stuff on ldtp.org had no relavence to my SCSI problems |
| 04:28.31 | jadoogar | astronut: acrobat is not reading this. :( |
| 04:28.32 | callipygous | nor did anything google showed up, earlier today or just now |
| 04:28.38 | greg_work | mdadm keeps forgetting my raid array.. if i use mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/hdb1 it shows up in /proc/mdstat, and i can then mkfs.ext3 it and mount it .. but then when I reboot, /proc/mdstat is empty and /dev/md0 is not mountable .. md and raid1 are in /etc/modules, i'm using stock kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 on sarge |
| 04:28.43 | scarynetworkguy | jadoogar: If I tell you will you go away? |
| 04:28.51 | greg_work | what else can i check? where does mdadm store the raid arrays? |
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| 04:28.55 | Xenguy | kill die stab :P |
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| 04:29.22 | greg_work | oh wait a sec, i told it NOT to start on startup |
| 04:29.40 | jadoogar | scarynetworkguy: what shit you are doing here, that i cant stay here |
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| 04:30.08 | callipygous | this is what im using for SCSI : CONFIG_SCSI_MAC53C94 |
| 04:30.14 | scarynetworkguy | jadoogar: I'm just a scary networkguy. But I know the answer and I'll cut you a deal. |
| 04:30.25 | Xenguy | la la la :-) |
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| 04:30.40 | scarynetworkguy | jadoogar: I loathe people who ask about windows. It seems to be a good way to convince you to go. |
| 04:31.01 | hernan_ | What does "550 relaying to <mygmail@account.com> prohibited by administrator (failed to find host name from IP address)' really mean? |
| 04:31.05 | johnsu01_ | Ok, slight change in my situation. Now I see MBR 1234F: |
| 04:31.09 | Xenguy | wrong channel = clueless = general loathing |
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| 04:31.26 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy: No it's a very specific loathing. |
| 04:31.31 | ireverentReveren | how do you explicity state DNS servers in debian? |
| 04:31.32 | johnsu01_ | But it just sticks at that prompt. |
| 04:31.34 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: yeah :-) |
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| 04:31.45 | stew | hernan_: maybe the reverse mapping is not set/ |
| 04:31.50 | johnsu01_ | This was after using dd to write the boot image to the usb stick. |
| 04:31.55 | hernan_ | stew: mind explaining to me? :P |
| 04:31.59 | johnsu01_ | And then running install-mbr. |
| 04:32.05 | scarynetworkguy | Although I *do* loathe %99.999 of all humanity. |
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| 04:32.22 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: you'll mellow with time <g> |
| 04:32.30 | maher | scarynetworkguy: what have all those chinese people ever done to you? |
| 04:32.31 | SingleTrackMind | scarynetworkguy : I am sorry. |
| 04:32.37 | Servo888 | Here's a good question to ask: Printer fonts are stored in the? | RAM of the computer system. | ROM of the printer. | RAM of the printer. | ROM of the computer system. |
| 04:32.39 | stew | hernan_: type "host 1.2.3.4" where the 1.2.3.4 is the ip that the mail was coming from, that needs to map to a name that when you say "host name" maps back to the same ip |
| 04:32.40 | Paco | i did a fresh debian install, and i installed gnome...when i did "start x," it says "fatal 10 error 104 on x server. can anyone help? |
| 04:32.45 | Xenguy | maher: just an easy majority to pick on :-) |
| 04:32.51 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy: Haven't yet and I'd dare bet I have a few years on you. |
| 04:32.53 | callipygous | scarynetworkguy: have you ever considered becoming a hermit? |
| 04:33.03 | scarynetworkguy | callipygous: I basically am. |
| 04:33.07 | scarynetworkguy | SingleTrackMind: Yeah yeah yeah. |
| 04:33.11 | callipygous | real hermits don't have computers :P |
| 04:33.20 | callipygous | atleast not with adsl |
| 04:33.23 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: <voice of Neo>Ok.... I'll go </voice> |
| 04:33.29 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy: Heh. |
| 04:33.44 | callipygous | got to have a hermit hut |
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| 04:33.49 | CharlieSu | does anyone remember a movie a few years back where this teacher took his students and caged them up and electrocuted them to make them study? what was the name? |
| 04:33.59 | Paco | btw, i am running sid |
| 04:34.06 | callipygous | was he a nazi? |
| 04:34.06 | hernan_ | stew: im setting up my exim srv, and i cant send mail from it, im new to linux, mind explaining that again? :D |
| 04:34.15 | Paco | (CharlieSu): that was my high school |
| 04:34.16 | SingleTrackMind | CharlieSu : clockwork orange????? |
| 04:34.22 | callipygous | now way |
| 04:34.23 | scarynetworkguy | hernan_: apt-get install postfix |
| 04:34.24 | shingouz | CharlieSu: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 04:34.28 | callipygous | that wasn't clockwork orange |
| 04:34.43 | callipygous | shingouz: everything and anything |
| 04:34.53 | stew | hernan_: type "host 1.2.3.4" where the 1.2.3.4 is the ip that the mail was coming from, that needs to map to a name that when you say "host name" maps back to the same ip |
| 04:34.55 | shingouz | callipygous: 42? |
| 04:34.56 | hernan_ | scarynetworkguy: i'd rather stick to exim, i have some experience with it |
| 04:35.03 | callipygous | yes |
| 04:35.12 | scarynetworkguy | hernan_: Bah. Postfix is teh win. |
| 04:35.25 | hernan_ | Host 107.171.233.64.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 04:35.25 | callipygous | hmm maybe i should ask sn9 |
| 04:35.31 | astronut | how hard would it be to have dpkg make a log of anytime a package is installed/uninstalled/upgraded/etc |
| 04:35.34 | CharlieSu | SingleTrackMind, not clockwork, these were highschool kids who were caged and shocked if they didnt study |
| 04:35.43 | mono | after finishing the download i got the following error dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 04:35.52 | mono | ideas how to resolve this ? this is really bad i know |
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| 04:36.07 | Xenguy | hernan_: postfix is best, but lazy people (like me :-) stick with Exim |
| 04:36.09 | SingleTrackMind | CharlieSu : high school in north korea? |
| 04:36.19 | stew | hernan_: thats your problem i'd guess, talk to your ip |
| 04:36.25 | hernan_ | stew: ? |
| 04:36.32 | stew | hernan_: ? |
| 04:36.36 | mono | error- dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam0g_0.76-22_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
| 04:36.37 | mono | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam0g_0.76-22_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:36.57 | stew | hernan_: you need that ip to resolve, tell your isp what you want it to resolve to, assuming its your ip |
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| 04:37.07 | hernan_ | stew: it's not |
| 04:37.26 | stew | hernan_: so this is someone elses and you want to know why your are denying it? |
| 04:37.27 | mwilson | Well, Debian's exim4 is so screwed up, often times people are better off with postfix. |
| 04:37.59 | hernan_ | mwilson: the thing is, i already got incoming mail working. |
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| 04:38.09 | hernan_ | mwilson: and imap |
| 04:38.32 | mwilson | hernan_: What does IMAP have to do with exim or postfix? Other than nothing? |
| 04:38.34 | hernan_ | stew: im just trying to send a test email to my gmail account, but it gets rejected with that error. |
| 04:38.50 | hernan_ | mwilson: i got the command that makes exim use Maildir ^^ |
| 04:38.50 | stew | hernan_: then you need to talk to your isp and get your ip reverse mapped |
| 04:39.11 | hernan_ | stew: im pretty sure that's not the problem, since it worked before i had to format. |
| 04:39.17 | mwilson | hernan_: How is that relevant? Hint... it's not. |
| 04:39.18 | mono | any ideas how to recover tar? |
| 04:39.19 | hernan_ | stew: but i was using woody back then, im now using sarge. |
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| 04:39.37 | Paco | does anyone know how to troubleshoot a gnome install? |
| 04:39.38 | mono | this is my error- dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Segmentation fault) dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam0g_0.76-22_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
| 04:39.39 | moodsoft | I forget, what command do you use to update the slocate db? |
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| 04:40.21 | SingleTrackMind | mono: spoke many cig. scrape your throat? |
| 04:40.41 | jbAU | mono how did tar be deleted? |
| 04:40.43 | mono | SingleTrackMind, thanks:) |
| 04:40.56 | MobyTurbo | moodsoft: updatedb |
| 04:40.57 | stew | hernan_: (failed to find host name from IP address) seems pretty unambiguous to me, i dunno |
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| 04:41.05 | jbAU | #windows hi |
| 04:41.07 | moodsoft | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 04:41.19 | MobyTurbo | moodsoft: np |
| 04:41.21 | mono | jbAU, it shows as if it is still there... but in the upgrade from stable to unstale (i know - bad) |
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| 04:41.30 | hernan_ | stew, mwilson: i'll try postfix, then. |
| 04:42.27 | jbAU | mono err ok - does tar ? give u anything |
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| 04:42.47 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 04:42.47 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:42.49 | mono | jbAU, tar Segmentation fault |
| 04:43.12 | jbAU | MobyTurbo thanks for the english lesson |
| 04:43.15 | gonzo | mono: try 'df' |
| 04:43.21 | hernan_ | stew: quick question, considering that my ip is dynamic, should i use a smarthost? |
| 04:43.32 | pSycoRe | !faq |
| 04:43.32 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 04:43.34 | Xenguy | you you you |
| 04:44.17 | MobyTurbo | !aolify jbAU |
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| 04:44.41 | jbAU | no no it's kthx bye |
| 04:44.50 | Xenguy | "Let's take the first bus outta here..." |
| 04:44.53 | hernan_ | jbAU: it's kthxbai |
| 04:45.04 | jbAU | or even kthxbi! |
| 04:45.09 | hernan_ | hah |
| 04:45.18 | hernan_ | anyway, should i use a smarthost,since my ip is dynamic? |
| 04:45.23 | jbAU | yes |
| 04:45.30 | hernan_ | what are the advantages? |
| 04:45.43 | jbAU | otherwise you'll loose your address, it won't match up with your ip |
| 04:46.09 | CharlieSu | does anyone remember a movie a few years back where this teacher took his students and caged them up and electrocuted them to make them study? what was the name? |
| 04:46.13 | hernan_ | can someone explain to me what a smarthost really does? |
| 04:46.26 | jbAU | hernan_ check out dyndns.org |
| 04:46.26 | bob2 | hernan_: forwards mail for you |
| 04:46.27 | moodsoft | it always sucks when root can run something but a user can't lol |
| 04:46.34 | MobyTurbo | CharlieSu: was the movie made using Debian? |
| 04:46.36 | hernan_ | jbAU: im using afraid.org |
| 04:46.39 | bob2 | moodsoft: that's a feature not a bug |
| 04:46.46 | hernan_ | jbAU: with my own domain |
| 04:46.46 | jbAU | hernan_ excellent |
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| 04:47.25 | moodsoft | bob2: yeah I know, I just have to edit my path so I can find the file it can't find when it runs as me |
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| 04:47.50 | starman | anybody know how to get engage working with e17? |
| 04:48.00 | Gotmet | how can I compress (gzip) a file but keeping the original file? |
| 04:48.02 | bob2 | starman: #e |
| 04:48.08 | bob2 | Gotmet: copy it |
| 04:48.10 | Gotmet | I don't want it deletes the uncompressed |
| 04:48.17 | Gotmet | bob2: can't I do it only using gzip ? |
| 04:48.20 | starman | enlightenment |
| 04:48.44 | bob2 | Gotmet: of course you can |
| 04:48.47 | hernan_ | uh oh.. if my mx records are pointing to mail.mydomain.com, but mail.mydomain.com isn't set up, could this be causing the problem? |
| 04:48.49 | bob2 | starman: #e |
| 04:48.56 | bob2 | hernan_: um, duh |
| 04:48.58 | starman | downloaded the files and tried to compile but without success |
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| 04:49.07 | bob2 | hernan_: people will try to deliver mail to it, and it will refuse |
| 04:49.16 | hernan_ | bob2: let's try again :P |
| 04:49.22 | bob2 | starman: #e |
| 04:49.39 | starman | e17 |
| 04:49.45 | bob2 | Gotmet: cat blah | gzip - > ./blah.gz |
| 04:49.46 | hernan_ | so, even if im using dynamic dns, and i keep my dns records up to date, i should still use a smarthost? |
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| 04:50.06 | bob2 | hernan_: a smarthost has nothing to do with incoming email |
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| 04:50.23 | Vme | what is the default WM with Debian? |
| 04:50.26 | hernan_ | bob2: exactly, so should i use it? |
| 04:50.26 | stew | hernan_: no matter what is going on with your forward dns, you reverse dns isn't setup which is your current problem, dyndns is just forward dns |
| 04:50.27 | bob2 | hernan_: if you're on a dynamic ip, tho, I'd use a more stable machine to receive incoming mail and relay it to you |
| 04:50.28 | Vme | gnome-wm? |
| 04:50.38 | pipeline | Vme: There is none. |
| 04:50.42 | bob2 | hernan_: it doesn't matter if you do or not, it only affects outgoing mail |
| 04:50.47 | gonzo | Vme: depends on distribution.... |
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| 04:50.53 | Vme | i'm running SID |
| 04:51.00 | stew | bob2: he's currently having a problem with outgoing mail |
| 04:51.00 | hernan_ | bob2: okay, i'll use a smarthost then |
| 04:51.02 | moodsoft | how do you set the PATH? |
| 04:51.03 | MobyTurbo | Vme: X is not even installed by defalut |
| 04:51.06 | bob2 | hernan_: if you're on a dynamic ip, tho, people like hotmail will refuse to take your outgoing mail anyway, so you need a smarthost |
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| 04:51.17 | bob2 | moodsoft: set it in /etc/profile or anywhere else |
| 04:51.24 | Vme | well, i picked desktop enviornment when i installed |
| 04:51.27 | bob2 | note that gdm and kdm will ignore that |
| 04:51.42 | moodsoft | bob2: I just need it set differently temporarily |
| 04:51.57 | bob2 | moodsoft: then set it like you set any other variable |
| 04:51.59 | hernan_ | it's asking me for the smtp relay host, what should i type? any host? no host? |
| 04:52.02 | hernan_ | my isp? |
| 04:52.03 | bob2 | export PATH=/blah:$PATH |
| 04:52.03 | Vme | i'm pretty sure its the gnome WM, i'm running gdm as well |
| 04:52.06 | pipeline | moodsoft: In bash, "export PATH=<foo>" in tcsh, "setenv PATH <foo>" |
| 04:52.06 | MobyTurbo | Vme: if you installed sid, rather than sarge or woody, you should already understand these things. |
| 04:52.09 | bob2 | hernan_: your isp's mail server |
| 04:52.15 | bob2 | Vme: then metacity if you're using gnome 2 |
| 04:52.29 | hernan_ | bob2: my isp uses authentication, do you think this will be a problem? |
| 04:52.35 | gonzo | Vme: if you install gnome, it's gnome default wm. |
| 04:52.41 | bob2 | hernan_: yes, it will be a massive pain in the arse |
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| 04:52.44 | greg_work | how do you check where swap is mounted? |
| 04:52.51 | bob2 | greg_work: swapon -s |
| 04:52.53 | pipeline | Vme: metacity is pretty useless without the full gnome environment; run "gnome-session" instead of a window manager. |
| 04:52.56 | bob2 | tho it's not mounted at all |
| 04:52.58 | hernan_ | bob2: so, should i use another smtp server? |
| 04:53.12 | MobyTurbo | Vme: if tasksel does the same thing as it does in Woody, you'll get *both* KDE and GNOME installed. |
| 04:53.18 | bob2 | hernan_: if you have one that will auth you by ip, yes |
| 04:53.28 | greg_work | bob2: thanks. well, yeah, i guess thats why I wasn't sure ;) |
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| 04:54.23 | hernan_ | bob2: would you recommend me an smtp host that'll work for this? |
| 04:54.37 | Paganist | Hi everyone, i can't get to remember how to set :0 as my display and so when i start an X app it'll start on :0 .... anyone please ? |
| 04:54.38 | bob2 | hernan_: er |
| 04:54.38 | bob2 | no |
| 04:54.38 | Paganist | thanks |
| 04:54.41 | bob2 | you have to have your own |
| 04:54.53 | bob2 | no random smtp server is going to relay for you |
| 04:55.21 | hernan_ | bob2: so what should i do, then? |
| 04:55.46 | bob2 | hernan_: if you have a dynamic ip, you'll have to learn how to relay through your isp |
| 04:55.52 | bob2 | #exim or whatever |
| 04:56.03 | hernan_ | heh, i just installed postfix |
| 04:56.09 | bob2 | if you have your own smtp server somewhere else, use that |
| 04:56.17 | greg_work | i have a system running with raid root, but i never setup the swap space.. it's in the partition table but type is linux swap, not raid autodetect .. is it safe to change on a running system? |
| 04:56.21 | bob2 | or you can do noting and deal with some people refusing your email |
| 04:56.22 | greg_work | (with cfdisk) |
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| 04:56.33 | hernan_ | bob2: does it have to be set up to relay my mail? |
| 04:56.48 | bob2 | hernan_: the external mail server? |
| 04:56.50 | bob2 | of course |
| 04:57.04 | bob2 | think what would happen if a random machine relayed mail for anyone who asked |
| 04:57.08 | hernan_ | bob2: what about my isp's? is it set up that way? |
| 04:57.17 | bob2 | you said it requires SMTP AUTH |
| 04:57.22 | hernan_ | it does |
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| 04:57.23 | greg_work | hernan_: when you dpkg-configure postfix, it'll ask how you want to set it up - use a smarthost to send is how you would relay it through your isp |
| 04:57.25 | bob2 | which postfix can do, but it's a pain in the arse to setup |
| 04:57.27 | jetscreamer | whoa, 2.6.11 went stable.. anybody try it yet? |
| 04:57.39 | bob2 | greg_work: he/she needs to use smtp auth |
| 04:57.44 | hernan_ | he :P |
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| 04:58.00 | greg_work | even on their network? well, annoying but i guess it's a good thing |
| 04:58.00 | Vme | the reason i'm asking is because i'm trying to get gnome running with VNC |
| 04:58.11 | Vme | it keeps bringing up that twm or whatnot? |
| 04:58.16 | jetscreamer | guess there are no bold adventurers here! |
| 04:58.16 | hernan_ | it's sbc yahoo (flame shield) |
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| 04:58.34 | jetscreamer | hernan_, as long as you use pppoe it's just fine |
| 04:58.46 | jetscreamer | sbc has quality svc |
| 04:58.52 | jetscreamer | aol buys from sbc |
| 04:58.56 | jetscreamer | and resells |
| 04:59.05 | hernan_ | i'll try that, then |
| 04:59.07 | Paco | i just had an interesting conversation with someone about bootloaders, and someone said that i should use SUSE because thats the only distro i can use GRUB. |
| 04:59.28 | Paco | what is so good about GRUB, that i should abandon debian? |
| 04:59.40 | jetscreamer | OH |
| 04:59.47 | shingouz | Paco: debian has grub |
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| 04:59.55 | jetscreamer | yeah sbc blocks port 25 unless you send in a request for them not to |
| 05:00.05 | FieldySnuts | another suse moron. grub is not specific to suse. |
| 05:00.06 | jetscreamer | with dynamic ips |
| 05:00.09 | stew | Paco: apt-get install grub |
| 05:00.10 | Paco | i know, BUT, grub won't work on my box with debian, only suse. |
| 05:00.21 | greg_work | jetscreamer: thats a GOOD thing |
| 05:00.22 | jasz | anyone here knows what about making rss files? |
| 05:00.26 | Thaiger | Has anyone used Synce here? |
| 05:00.30 | jasz | i dont even know where to ask :( |
| 05:00.36 | ifup | Has anyone built cisco's vpn client 4.6 with kernel 2.6.10? I never had do this but I apt-get'd the source and headers do I need anything else? |
| 05:00.44 | jbAU | Paco: you do have to configure grub ofcourse when you install it |
| 05:00.45 | hernan_ | okay, my postfix is set up, do i need to make any config changes before i can get it to work? |
| 05:01.09 | jetscreamer | hernan did yu see wha ti typed about port25? (i wasn't folling your conversation) |
| 05:01.10 | Paco | what happens is that whenever i install a new distro for the first time and i try to use grub, the OS fails to install. |
| 05:01.13 | jetscreamer | folowing |
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| 05:01.34 | jetscreamer | lilo>grub |
| 05:01.42 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: i dont think i did. did you ask me if port 25 was blocked? |
| 05:01.43 | greg_work | jetscreamer: what's bad is when your isp randomly one day decides to start blocking 25, lies to you about it.. then when their mail server dies under the load of spam refuses to open port 25 -- even to one specific ip -- and instead says "wait a while, it'll come back up eventually" ... *cough*bell*cough*... |
| 05:01.48 | jbAU | Paco well that's a pitty, i'm not sure why because i can use grub on virtually any debian machine i've had |
| 05:01.50 | Paco | u guys like lilo better?? |
| 05:01.51 | jetscreamer | sbc blocks port 25 unless you send in a request for them not to |
| 05:01.59 | jetscreamer | with dynamic ip's |
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| 05:02.11 | jbAU | i prefer grub, but have no issue with lilo |
| 05:02.24 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: but i've had my mail server work before, before i formatted my hdd. |
| 05:02.37 | jetscreamer | hernan_, all i know. |
| 05:02.42 | jbAU | in fact, in my RHCE exam in the first part there was a problem with the grub config file, and since i didn't know grub all that well i didn't see. So my solution was to install lilo |
| 05:02.44 | jetscreamer | and it's a semi recent change |
| 05:02.50 | jetscreamer | month, i dunno |
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| 05:03.05 | daww | How do I know If I have a "PCI system which use IDE drive(s)"? |
| 05:03.32 | stew | daww: did you pay extra for a scsi hard drive? |
| 05:03.35 | jetscreamer | daww, usually that's what it is... open the box and look is one way |
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| 05:03.58 | greg_work | ..made even worse when you call back 15 minutes later (after arranging new service with another company) to cancel, and they tell you you can't, you're on a contract. of course, they can't produce said contract (signed or otherwise), eventually saying it was a verbal contract, but can't say who agreed, or when.. starting a several-month long stint in their internal collections agency.. |
| 05:03.58 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: if i connect to my domain, through port 25, it connects |
| 05:04.11 | arkaoss | i forget how do i make a folder that's a symlink to another folder? |
| 05:04.15 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: through telnet |
| 05:04.23 | jbAU | arkaoss ln -s |
| 05:04.27 | jbAU | !ln |
| 05:04.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ln is 'man ln' |
| 05:04.30 | daww | stew, I Use a Seagate Barracude 160G IDE |
| 05:04.43 | stew | daww: then you have ide. do you happen to have a ibm ps2 model 50? then you have pci. |
| 05:04.52 | greg_work | is it safe to change the partition type of a disk that's being used (the partition is not being used) ? |
| 05:05.00 | jetscreamer | ln -sn /path/to/directory /symlink |
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| 05:05.15 | shingouz | stew: ps/2 :) |
| 05:05.17 | arkaoss | see importnt stuff like that I usually write on my monitor with permanent marker.. but my marker's lost |
| 05:05.27 | jetscreamer | greg_work, i have done that w/o problems |
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| 05:05.29 | stew | actually i think the model 30s had mca as well |
| 05:05.31 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 05:05.31 | arkaoss | err.. .. my monitor frame |
| 05:05.35 | fatA | how would one escapet the characters in the password of a wget ftp command? |
| 05:05.57 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.00 | shingouz | stew: most of the ps/2 line is MCA as a matter of fact |
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| 05:06.10 | jetscreamer | pw\ morepw |
| 05:06.11 | stew | shingouz: the 25s weren't |
| 05:06.23 | stew | shingouz: i don't think they were at least |
| 05:06.23 | fatA | jetscreamer: trying .. |
| 05:06.31 | jetscreamer | not sure, might be |
| 05:06.36 | stew | shingouz: well actually maybe they were with no expansion slots available |
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| 05:07.39 | shingouz | stew: well.. the computer i am on at the moment is the pcserver 320 eisa version. the other version was done with mca. most of the ps/2 line was mca, there are even a couple of laptops with mca |
| 05:07.42 | fatA | jetscreamer: nope |
| 05:07.46 | fatA | no worky |
| 05:08.12 | jetscreamer | i've done it once but i forgot how... |
| 05:08.20 | shingouz | additionally at least NCR made a lot of mca boxen. the IBM RS/6000 used to be mca too.... |
| 05:08.22 | jetscreamer | i mighta resorted to a front end |
| 05:08.39 | stew | shingouz: i just remember that the 25 i had was much different than the 30 and 50 that i had |
| 05:08.48 | fatA | jetscreamer: you mean like a gui? |
| 05:08.52 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: this is what i got from my gmail to server test: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 10): 554 <user@myserver.com>: Relay access denied |
| 05:08.54 | jetscreamer | yeah :/ |
| 05:08.56 | stew | shingouz: but that was long enough ago that who knows for sure |
| 05:09.06 | fatA | no! :) |
| 05:09.15 | shingouz | stew: news://comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware |
| 05:09.20 | shingouz | and a few other places |
| 05:09.21 | fatA | jetscreamer: can you rec one? |
| 05:09.23 | jetscreamer | hernan_, beyond me, i have a webhost i use, and i have static ip's |
| 05:09.27 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: but the thing is, i got a message to go all the way through (gmail -> server) |
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| 05:09.37 | d03boy | hello humans |
| 05:09.39 | jetscreamer | !wayttd fatA |
| 05:09.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fatA? |
| 05:10.07 | jetscreamer | ok you're not auth'd to relay then hernan_ ... it's settable on the server |
| 05:10.14 | fatA | dpkg: i have funny characters in my password, namely a leading @ and trying to wget ftp: |
| 05:10.42 | jetscreamer | fatA, i like gftp.. and this is exactly what i had the problem with, and what i used |
| 05:10.44 | hernan_ | jetscreamer: mind helping me out? |
| 05:10.52 | jetscreamer | hernan_, that was all i know |
| 05:10.54 | stew | shingouz: yeah, model 25 didn't have mca |
| 05:11.08 | fatA | yum gftp |
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| 05:11.16 | fatA | oops, wrong crowd |
| 05:11.25 | hernan_ | hwo can i make sarge install exim3 instead of 4? |
| 05:11.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gftp gftp-text |
| 05:11.33 | hernan_ | im just gonna go back to exim |
| 05:11.34 | jetscreamer | yum eh |
| 05:11.38 | stew | shingouz: http://tinyurl.com/4cvpb |
| 05:11.49 | mwilson | exim3 is un-maintained upstream. |
| 05:11.51 | fatA | jetscreamer: needed to use CentOS on this box |
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| 05:11.57 | jetscreamer | hernan_, i tried to uninstall exim4 and put exim back.... got weird |
| 05:12.08 | Paco | well, thankyou everyoen for helping me |
| 05:12.08 | hernan_ | heh |
| 05:12.10 | jetscreamer | i put exim4 back |
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| 05:12.12 | jasz | !liferea |
| 05:12.12 | dpkg | methinks liferea is an abbreviation for Linux Feed Reader. apt-get install liferea or http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:12.32 | shingouz | stew: could very well be. not all ps/2's were mca. for mca specialists, google "ardent tool of capitalism" "mca mafia" |
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| 05:13.35 | d03boy | i just freshly installed debian (woody 2.4.18) on my computar machene. It doesnt have driver support for my ethernet card though. I have those drivers on a CD, which cant be installed because I need kernel source inorder to compile. What are my options? (I also have the 2.4.29 source on a CD) |
| 05:13.40 | d03boy | and I'm out of CDRs |
| 05:13.53 | ifup | Has anyone built cisco's vpn client 4.6 with kernel 2.6.10? it needs the source for the kernel. should I apt headers? |
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| 05:14.58 | jetscreamer | d03boy, is this a server or a desktop? |
| 05:15.39 | d03boy | desktop machine |
| 05:15.42 | d03boy | laptop actually |
| 05:16.00 | jetscreamer | you should have just used d-i in the first place.. little late now. what nic? |
| 05:16.06 | shingouz | stew: maybe i should go get some caffeine and start hacking on my ibm pcserver 520 mca instead of this lameass eisa ;) |
| 05:16.09 | d03boy | d-i? |
| 05:16.20 | jetscreamer | !tell d03boy about d-i |
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| 05:16.30 | jetscreamer | sarge installer |
| 05:16.50 | d03boy | ya :\ |
| 05:16.55 | d03boy | i blame leprykaun |
| 05:17.06 | d03boy | from another irc channel |
| 05:17.09 | jetscreamer | what/which nic ? |
| 05:17.12 | Ether_Man | I just updated my kernel to stock 2.4.18 but now I've lost pcmcia :/ Im guessing it's there somewhere as a module but I cant find any pcmcia modules in modconf :/ |
| 05:17.17 | d03boy | broadcom bcm4400 is the driver i use |
| 05:17.23 | jetscreamer | pcmicia-cs loaded? |
| 05:17.26 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 05:18.25 | Ether_Man | jetscreamer: no module by that name found.. and neither with pcmcia-cs if it was a misprint |
| 05:18.40 | jetscreamer | errr yeah typo |
| 05:19.28 | shingouz | Ether_Man: yenta-socket and ds. |
| 05:20.20 | d03boy | should I just ... recompile the kernel to my new one that i actually have the source for? |
| 05:20.27 | fatA | gftp n i i i i c e |
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| 05:20.35 | d03boy | then later on recompile again to 2.6.x |
| 05:20.40 | jetscreamer | d03boy, i'm not sure how you should proceed.... you can go to packages.debian.org and d/l the kernel-headers (or kernel-source) and dpkg -i it/them, and compile... you could also go sarge, but no nic... |
| 05:20.46 | Ether_Man | shingouz: dont know what that is but no modules by those names.. and since my nic is pcmcia I cant install anything if those are packages |
| 05:21.13 | d03boy | i dont currently have internet on the machine though... that is my biggest setback :\ |
| 05:21.21 | jetscreamer | d03boy, putting a > 2.4.18 kernel into woody is a ... little tricky or something |
| 05:21.32 | jetscreamer | and i've never done it |
| 05:21.33 | d03boy | hrm |
| 05:21.44 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:22.08 | shingouz | Ether_Man: oh. 2.4... you need the pcmcia-modules too i think. i was thinking of 2.6 here.. the same module names apply in anycase |
| 05:22.29 | jetscreamer | Ether_Man, you can d/l the .debs from packages.debian.org and get them to the machine and dpkg -i them |
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| 05:23.29 | jetscreamer | d03boy, everybody wil think this is lame, but if it was me i'd burn a sarge netinst iso and install sarge from scratch |
| 05:23.38 | Nwallins | my Geforce MX 440 is buggy with the latest nvidia driver from unstable. I need to go down a version. can i do this with a package? |
| 05:23.39 | jetscreamer | and be done in an hour at most |
| 05:23.43 | Ether_Man | Well I can reboot the comp to the 2.20 kernel and thus get pcmcia and get packages on it.. but why is it not working in 2.4 when it is in 2.2? Not using the same modules anymore? |
| 05:23.43 | hernan_ | how long does a nameserver change usually take? |
| 05:23.50 | d03boy | i'd love to... i just need some CDRs.. hrm |
| 05:24.05 | jetscreamer | 24 hours or sooner is what they tell me d03boy |
| 05:24.11 | shingouz | Ether_Man: of course not. a new kernel need new modules |
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| 05:24.18 | jetscreamer | d03boy, there are boot floppy images as well |
| 05:24.27 | d03boy | laptops = no floppy drives .. .:\ |
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| 05:24.42 | duranain | when i log into x as root, firefox works fine, but if i su to my account from an eterm and run it, i get a connection to x server refused message. likewise, if i log into x as me, and su to root, i get the same error |
| 05:24.43 | shingouz | Ether_Man: i do not think you need more than the pcmcia-modules for the specific kernel you have there |
| 05:24.55 | jetscreamer | d03boy, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 05:24.57 | Ether_Man | shingouz: Didnt mean it like that.. I meant why would the modules come with the standard 2.20 kernel but not with the standard 2.4 one |
| 05:25.04 | duranain | i tried xhost + and xhost +localhost, neither worked |
| 05:25.07 | d03boy | i've got cdrs, but they seem to be smudged and cracked and stuff... maybe i'll just try some |
| 05:25.18 | jetscreamer | ah... |
| 05:25.26 | jetscreamer | usb stick? |
| 05:25.30 | d03boy | yep |
| 05:25.31 | jetscreamer | many options |
| 05:25.32 | shingouz | Ether_Man: im not sure, maybe the 2.2 you have there is an installer kernel |
| 05:25.38 | jetscreamer | there's a usbstick image |
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| 05:25.44 | Ether_Man | shingouz: aye it is. |
| 05:25.48 | d03boy | hrm... that'd be viable maybe |
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| 05:25.53 | shingouz | Ether_Man: there you go then |
| 05:25.58 | duranain | xhost +local:duranain worked, but only until i logged out, then it returned an error about identical keys |
| 05:26.10 | sketchy | hi, whats the package that contains all the system libraries, eg stdio.h, etc? for use with compilers eg gcc ? |
| 05:26.25 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/ |
| 05:26.40 | Ether_Man | shingouz: So I should reboot to the 2.2 kernel and install pcmcia-modules package for the 2.4 kernel.. correct? |
| 05:26.43 | stew | !b-e sketchy |
| 05:26.43 | dpkg | sketchy: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 05:26.52 | shingouz | Ether_Man: just boot into the older kernel and apt-get the pcmcia-modules in place. should work that way as long as you take care you get the same version |
| 05:26.56 | shingouz | Ether_Man: yes |
| 05:27.03 | d03boy | i'm going to try the usbstick |
| 05:27.08 | Ether_Man | ok. thanks |
| 05:27.13 | shingouz | np |
| 05:27.14 | sketchy | stew: apt-ing, thanks :) |
| 05:27.14 | jetscreamer | or this might be better http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 05:27.24 | jetscreamer | a daily as opposed to rc2 |
| 05:27.39 | nevyn | what is writing /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:27.50 | d03boy | well, ive got no idea what might be better :P... mind just suggesting a usbimage? |
| 05:27.52 | shingouz | when, oh when will sarge get stable.... :p |
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| 05:28.19 | nevyn | something is _helpfully_ writing to /etc/fstab for devices in /media how do I stop it? |
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| 05:28.50 | holycow | hey all |
| 05:29.00 | bucky | moo |
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| 05:29.15 | holycow | how do i reconfigure the sound system for debian? i thought the installer let me choose, and now totem has no sound ... |
| 05:29.30 | MobyTurbo | nevyn: to the best of my knowledge neither sarge nor woody, and I assume not sid, have "/media" by default. Are you using Debian or something based on it? |
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| 05:29.31 | holycow | yet xmms does |
| 05:29.35 | jetscreamer | is this totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 05:30.00 | jetscreamer | sarge seems to have /media by default |
| 05:30.02 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 05:30.08 | jetscreamer | via d-i |
| 05:30.22 | jetscreamer | and don't let discover manage mount points |
| 05:30.22 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: maybe it's because I install using dist-upgrade. |
| 05:30.34 | holycow | jetscreamer, well totem-gstremer crashes saying something is buys, totem-xine has no sound |
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| 05:30.54 | holycow | is there a preffered debian way for this? i presume on gnome gstreamer is supposed to be it? |
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| 05:31.18 | stew | MobyTurbo: i believe that /media was added with fhs 2.1 or 2.2 |
| 05:31.26 | nevyn | MobyTurbo: sid installed yesterday it's part of the FHS |
| 05:31.46 | jetscreamer | fhs ? |
| 05:31.48 | nevyn | sarge definitly has /media |
| 05:31.55 | nevyn | filesystem heirachy standard |
| 05:31.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:32.04 | stew | !fhs |
| 05:32.04 | dpkg | i heard fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 05:32.13 | MobyTurbo | nevyn: well, it doesn't here - but I don't use d-i because it doesn't include ppp. |
| 05:32.24 | nevyn | it doesn't? |
| 05:32.24 | jetscreamer | my /media/cdrom kept disappearing with discover |
| 05:32.26 | holycow | jet .. discover managing mount points interferes with sound? |
| 05:32.28 | holycow | ha! |
| 05:32.36 | MobyTurbo | nevyn: right, this is a known bug. |
| 05:32.37 | stew | i guess it wasn't until 2.3 |
| 05:32.40 | jasz | i leave |
| 05:32.43 | nevyn | discover.. may be the culprit. |
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| 05:32.47 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 05:32.55 | jetscreamer | holycow, no that wasn't for you |
| 05:33.10 | jetscreamer | holycow, you got w32codecs? not that it should matter |
| 05:33.11 | holycow | lol oh okay |
| 05:33.15 | holycow | yep |
| 05:33.16 | stew | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT |
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| 05:33.56 | jetscreamer | holycow, not sure, i had a problem with totem-* and just never used it again... xine-ui seems better. |
| 05:34.18 | jetscreamer | mine was a dual head screen bork problem though |
| 05:34.21 | holycow | i need to read up on how the sound works in debian again |
| 05:34.24 | jetscreamer | and a sound come to think of it |
| 05:34.33 | holycow | i don't know where to begin debugging it |
| 05:34.42 | jetscreamer | some sound formats didn't work.. ac3 or something i forget |
| 05:34.54 | jetscreamer | but it worked in xine-ui |
| 05:36.07 | d03boy | jet, was that link for sarge installer or what? |
| 05:36.25 | d03boy | sarge is still 2.4 or is it 2.6? |
| 05:36.41 | stew | d03boy: its both |
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| 05:36.59 | stew | d03boy: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 05:37.35 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/ |
| 05:37.58 | d03boy | is hp-media the usbimage? |
| 05:38.00 | jetscreamer | d03boy, if you want 2.6 type linux26 at the boot: prompt when the cd boots |
| 05:38.06 | jetscreamer | i think so |
| 05:38.12 | d03boy | hopefully :\\ |
| 05:38.14 | jetscreamer | d03boy, hit F3 |
| 05:38.22 | jetscreamer | at the boot: prompt |
| 05:38.29 | d03boy | gotcha |
| 05:41.27 | Nwallins | I am trying to stop agpgart from loading. lsmod shows it, but it is not in /etc/modules. lsmod shows agpgart even when it is on the hotplug blacklist. |
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| 05:42.38 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: are you using nvidia's binary drivers? If so, there is a parameter to choose which agpgart to use. |
| 05:43.06 | Nwallins | yes, but the nvidia agp is off-lmiits when agpgart is loaded |
| 05:43.48 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: it is by default, but you can choose if it's auto mode, the default, or if it loads one or the other. |
| 05:44.21 | Nwallins | the parameter i am thinking of is in the xfconfig file.. which one are you talking about? |
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| 05:44.58 | Gumby | I havnt had much experience compile kernel modules in debian so I am wondering if I am doing it the right way. I have downloaded the kernel-source that matches my kernel and I extracted the .bz2 un /usr/src/ Is there anything else I need to do before I try to build the module? |
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| 05:45.01 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: I don't remember it well - since nvidia dropped support for the TNT2, my card, I uninstalled the drivers. |
| 05:45.06 | jadoogar | is there pdf 2 ppt convertor available? |
| 05:45.21 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: read the nvidia docs in /usr/share/doc - its documented there. |
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| 05:47.56 | jbAU | anyone had any selinux experience? |
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| 05:49.12 | PhoenixGI | Brand new to Debian (well any Linux for that matter) got it install, fired up x, but my mouse pointer jumped to the upper left hand cornor |
| 05:49.12 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
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| 05:49.44 | PhoenixGI | How can I get it to work right? |
| 05:50.31 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/ <-- might help, PhoenixGI |
| 05:50.34 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: what type of mouse do you have? |
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| 05:50.47 | RainbowW | i'm trying to get boinc (used for climateprediction.net) to dump its output to /dev/tty7 ... how do i do a redirect of the output and background the task? boinc 2>&1 isn't doing what i expected (backgrounding the task) ... |
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| 05:51.54 | PhoenixGI | MobyTurbo: It's a "Memorex" it worked under Freebsd KDE as a microsoft mouse just fine, |
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| 05:52.13 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: what type of interface does it use? |
| 05:52.37 | PhoenixGI | PS2 |
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| 05:53.17 | deadcat | mwilson: can you send or email me the vimrc file? |
| 05:54.21 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: hmm, mine is USB so I'm not sure. Try the mouse port /dev/psaux |
| 05:55.15 | PhoenixGI | MobyTurbo: That's the device I use to get the mouse to work (only took me 2 hours to figure that one out bsd was /dev/mouse) |
| 05:55.44 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: BSD is doing the same thing behind the scenes, /dev/mouse is a symlink in fbsd |
| 05:56.21 | sketchy | how do you update all the man pages .. there seems to be alot missing from my man |
| 05:56.22 | PhoenixGI | MobyTurbo: ahh, ok |
| 05:56.55 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: of course in BSD some of the actual device names are different. |
| 05:58.11 | MobyTurbo | sketchy: looking for sections 2 and 3? apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 05:58.17 | PhoenixGI | MobyTurbo: Still doesn't explain why my mouse is going balistic on me. |
| 05:58.48 | stew | sketchy: whats an example of something that you think is missing? |
| 05:58.49 | sketchy | MobyTurbo: thanks |
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| 05:59.01 | amahbod | help. |
| 05:59.04 | cat | ask |
| 05:59.06 | sketchy | stew: .. pipe, select ... but i just got manpages-dev, and i have them now |
| 05:59.12 | amahbod | my computer freezes when i try to mount my cdrom drive now |
| 05:59.14 | struct | how do i get the faillog command to work in debian? |
| 05:59.22 | cat | amahbod: any errors? |
| 05:59.29 | cat | struct: man faillog |
| 05:59.34 | struct | cat: done that |
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| 05:59.45 | Stereo | hi everyone |
| 05:59.47 | cat | or read a faq about, faillog |
| 05:59.51 | cat | Stereo: hi there |
| 06:00.03 | struct | cat: can you point me to one? |
| 06:00.13 | amahbod | cat, no |
| 06:00.14 | cat | struct: go into google |
| 06:00.28 | cat | amahbod: try ejecting the cdrom, it must be mounted it then |
| 06:00.38 | amahbod | cat, it just freezes my computer. if a sound is playing, the last .5ish seconds of music loop |
| 06:00.44 | Stereo | I'd like to create a shutdown account to make a box easy to shut down if it needs to be moved. Is the usual way of doing this just creating a normal account with uid 0 and setting its shell to be `halt`? |
| 06:00.49 | cat | it must be mounted |
| 06:01.04 | cat | Stereo: adduser user halt |
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| 06:01.15 | cat | wait hold up |
| 06:01.20 | amahbod | cat, ok i ejected it |
| 06:01.22 | daesotho | debian kicks ass!! |
| 06:01.23 | MobyTurbo | Stereo: the usual way is to use sudo and give a user(s) permission to run the relevant shutdown command. |
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| 06:01.32 | struct | /var/log/faillog: No such file or directory |
| 06:01.33 | amahbod | now if i try to mount it it should work, no/ |
| 06:01.37 | amahbod | cat, ? |
| 06:01.44 | cat | amahbod: try playing you'r cdrom, |
| 06:01.49 | Stereo | MobyTurbo: that's way too complicated for the person who's going to do that :) |
| 06:01.49 | cat | it should be mounted it |
| 06:01.51 | amahbod | cat, playing? |
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| 06:02.04 | MobyTurbo | Stereo: he can't type "halt"? |
| 06:02.20 | Stereo | he could |
| 06:02.20 | cat | are u playing you'r cdrom? with xmmms? |
| 06:02.27 | amahbod | cat, no |
| 06:02.50 | cat | what ya trying to do? |
| 06:02.53 | Stereo | but sudo halt and password again would be a bit compliated, although I could remove the password thing |
| 06:02.56 | MobyTurbo | Stereo: you could make a script file with "sudo halt" in it and give him permission in sudoers to execute halt without asking for a password. |
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| 06:03.02 | poo5555 | hey |
| 06:03.10 | Stereo | yeah, could do |
| 06:03.14 | amahbod | cat, i just wanted to mount it to a folder |
| 06:03.18 | amahbod | cat, so i could access the files |
| 06:03.23 | cat | Stereo: try chroot, |
| 06:03.26 | cat | it should work |
| 06:03.38 | Nwallins | is there a way to get an old version of a debian package? like the previous version of the nvidia packages? |
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| 06:03.42 | suni | hi |
| 06:03.46 | poo5555 | I really need a bit of what should be simple help with setting up my monitor with X and KDE. The only available options are 800x and 640x, with 73hz refresh (which my monitor displays as 60). my eyes are dying and there's no res. I tried editing XF86Config-4 and adding more options but it maden o difference in what is available. please help? |
| 06:03.48 | cat | amahbod: try mount -t type device dir |
| 06:03.52 | suni | anyone got any hints to be able to dcc send? |
| 06:03.57 | suni | er sorry |
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| 06:04.12 | cat | !tell poo5555 about set up x |
| 06:04.13 | Stereo | Nwallins: you might still have it in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:04.22 | mwilson | suni: What about it? |
| 06:04.23 | amahbod | cat, its a dvd |
| 06:04.30 | amahbod | cat, what is the exact syntax |
| 06:04.36 | Nwallins | Stereo: no, this is a fresh install unfortunately |
| 06:04.36 | cat | what's you'r dvd device? |
| 06:04.46 | helix | cat: how old are you? |
| 06:04.52 | cat | 29 |
| 06:04.52 | Stereo | Nwallins: other boxes maybe? |
| 06:05.00 | amahbod | cat, how do i find out? |
| 06:05.02 | Nwallins | nope |
| 06:05.06 | amahbod | cat, its /dev/cdrom |
| 06:05.11 | amahbod | cat, if thats what you mean |
| 06:05.13 | cat | nope that's you'r cdrom |
| 06:05.20 | PhoenixGI | Any other Thoughts MobyTurbo? |
| 06:05.22 | amahbod | cat, thats what i have always been mounting |
| 06:05.22 | suni | anyone got any hints to be able to dcc send, i'm behind a NAT firewall, i've modprobed ip_nat_irc and have this --> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 45000:46000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2, client has those ports set up..still not working any ideas? |
| 06:05.24 | Nwallins | poo /j #flood |
| 06:05.26 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: I remember reading of a Debian wayback machine |
| 06:05.27 | amahbod | cat, and it used to work |
| 06:05.27 | Nwallins | poo5555: |
| 06:05.41 | amahbod | cat, i dont know what my dvd device is. i always thought it was the same thing |
| 06:05.42 | Stereo | Nwallins: afraid you're sol then. If it's older than 6 months, archive.org maybe |
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| 06:05.44 | mwilson | suni: What's that supposed to do? |
| 06:05.53 | Nwallins | i'll take a look, thanks |
| 06:05.55 | cat | amahbod: is you'r dvd and cdrom the same? |
| 06:05.58 | poo5555 | is using the ATI driver a bad idea? I just did a 'testing' netinst like an hour ago, I should have up to date packages |
| 06:06.09 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: not really the wayback machine - a particular website that has old Debian packages going back a few years. |
| 06:06.11 | amahbod | cat, its a cdrw/dvdrw |
| 06:06.16 | cat | oh ok, |
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| 06:06.21 | cat | then it should be /dev/cdrom |
| 06:06.32 | amahbod | cat, ok question |
| 06:06.35 | cat | ask? |
| 06:06.45 | amahbod | cat, when initially installing, i set my computers time to GMT |
| 06:06.49 | amahbod | cat, and it wasnt GMT |
| 06:06.49 | Nwallins | MobyTurbo: any particular keywords? |
| 06:06.54 | cat | ok, |
| 06:06.54 | amahbod | cat, my bios time rather |
| 06:07.00 | amahbod | cat, how can i change it back |
| 06:07.02 | cat | so u want to changed it huh? |
| 06:07.10 | amahbod | cat, yes |
| 06:07.12 | cat | ok |
| 06:07.13 | poo5555 | should I use VESA or ATI? sorry to ask, this ios probably a bad question, but I've heard of troubles with the drivers, but nothing specific |
| 06:07.52 | cat | amahbod: tzconfig as root |
| 06:08.09 | amahbod | cat, its set to pacific |
| 06:08.11 | cat | follow the steps and you'r done |
| 06:08.20 | cat | amahbod: that's how you set you'r time zone |
| 06:08.35 | amahbod | cat, but it was something about my bios time... like if my bios was set to GMT or not |
| 06:08.44 | amahbod | cat, and mine wasnt, but i accidentally said it was |
| 06:08.56 | cat | changed bios time? |
| 06:08.57 | stew | poo5555: if you don't need 3d acceleration use the 'ati' driver if you do, then /msg dpkg ati |
| 06:09.34 | MobyTurbo | Nwallins: I've been googling for it myself. Sorry that I haven't been of more help today. |
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| 06:09.55 | cat | timeconfig |
| 06:09.57 | Nwallins | i appreciate everything |
| 06:10.13 | amahbod | cat, not found |
| 06:10.31 | poo5555 | OK thanks stew. now how do I restart X? or do whatever it is I need to do to tell KDE that htere's other options available |
| 06:10.35 | Gumby | could anyone lend a hand. I am trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com. I have kernel-source-2.6.8 and I am running kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 but when I run the installed it tells me that I dont have a matching kernel-source installed. I have unpacked the .bz2 in /usr/src and did ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:10.39 | calin | night y'all |
| 06:11.08 | poo5555 | I open the screen resize and rotate utility and it still only has those options |
| 06:11.10 | poo5555 | my eyes are about to die, by the way |
| 06:11.14 | cat | weird |
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| 06:11.27 | poo5555 | do I need to restart X? or something? |
| 06:11.32 | stew | poo5555: kill X is ctrl-alt-bksp, but you probably have some kde menu item that exits more gracefully |
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| 06:11.37 | cat | poo5555: killall pid |
| 06:11.41 | cat | or kill -9 |
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| 06:11.49 | poo5555 | how do I restart it after |
| 06:11.49 | cat | or just exit you'r kde gnome or fluxbox |
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| 06:11.55 | suni | no one? |
| 06:11.59 | MobyTurbo | poo5555: then once you're at the command line, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:12.00 | stew | poo5555: how did you start it this time? |
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| 06:12.30 | suni | anyone behind a NAT router than can send dcc? |
| 06:12.34 | cat | amahbod: do this then ntpdate otherntp.research.gov |
| 06:12.37 | suni | i just can't do it. |
| 06:12.39 | cat | if u dont have it apt-get install ntpdate |
| 06:12.42 | suni | :( |
| 06:12.47 | cat | suni: can't do what? |
| 06:12.52 | jetscreamer | time.nist.gov |
| 06:12.52 | zno | my /proc/version says my kernel is at 2.4.27-1-386 although I did apt-get install a kernel image version 2.4.27-2 what's going on? |
| 06:12.54 | suni | anyone got any hints to be able to dcc send, i'm behind a NAT firewall, i've modprobed ip_nat_irc and have this --> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 45000:46000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2, client has those ports set up..still not working any ideas? |
| 06:12.54 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 06:12.54 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 06:13.16 | stew | zno: have you rebooted? |
| 06:13.17 | cat | suni: check you'r routers ports |
| 06:13.19 | mwilson | suni: Since you don't answer questions that anyone asks you, you don't actually want to fix the problem you think you have, right? |
| 06:13.20 | skip_ | help please: what could be causing my PC to not shut down properly, It appears to be random, and sometime hangs on a blank screen, or sometimes I get a lot of video garbage on the screen. I can't confirm yet, but it seems to occur if I've had to "xhost +" during the session |
| 06:13.23 | amahbod | cat, but it only changes it until the next time i restart |
| 06:13.30 | struct | do i have to edit /etc/syslog.conf to get faillog to work? /var/log/faillog currently does not exist. |
| 06:13.36 | zno | stew: yes I have |
| 06:13.41 | cat | then amahbod edit this /etc/ntp.conf |
| 06:13.44 | suni | cat: that is the router. |
| 06:13.50 | MobyTurbo | !aolify jetscreamer |
| 06:13.52 | mwilson | skip_: There is never a reason to use 'xhost +'. If you think you have found one, you are mistaken. |
| 06:13.52 | cat | suni: restart the router, |
| 06:13.55 | stew | zno: which bootloader do you use? |
| 06:14.00 | suni | i have |
| 06:14.13 | cat | suni: go to #ipstables then or to a faq |
| 06:14.16 | suni | oh |
| 06:14.19 | zno | stew: I forgot which one I installed (lilo I believe) |
| 06:14.19 | stew | skip_: you should never, ever, ever be using xhost |
| 06:14.19 | suni | ok thanks :) |
| 06:14.19 | amahbod | cat, doesnt exist |
| 06:14.25 | suni | mwilson: i'm sorry:) |
| 06:14.26 | cat | did u installed the software? |
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| 06:14.30 | skip_ | mwilson: excellent, I was hoping someone would say that. So how do I "kedit xxxfilename" as su then? |
| 06:14.38 | MobyTurbo | !tell skip_ about sux |
| 06:14.44 | cat | is apt-get install ntp |
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| 06:15.12 | mwilson | skip_: "as su"? First, you actually bother to learn correct terminology. Second, you don't run X applications as root. |
| 06:15.13 | cat | skip_: kedit file |
| 06:15.19 | cat | lol, |
| 06:15.24 | zno | normally if I install a kernel image and reboot, it should come up with that version regardless of the bootloader right? |
| 06:15.32 | mwilson | zno: No. |
| 06:15.33 | amahbod | cat, ok i am going to try mounting the cdrom |
| 06:15.39 | amahbod | cat, if i leave, it crashed my computer |
| 06:15.47 | stew | zno: depends on your bootloader |
| 06:15.49 | cat | oh ok, |
| 06:15.53 | zno | so what further steps do I need to take? |
| 06:15.54 | cat | if not just eject it |
| 06:15.56 | skip_ | cat: nope, gives me an Xlib error |
| 06:15.58 | stew | zno: depends on your bootloader |
| 06:16.16 | zno | actually I think I have grub |
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| 06:16.21 | zno | I have /boot/grub |
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| 06:16.49 | stew | zno: head /dev/hda | grep strings (or whatever dev you boot from) |
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| 06:17.00 | jetscreamer | zno, the bootloader is 'supposed' to get updated automagically.. |
| 06:17.12 | jetscreamer | when you do it the debian way |
| 06:17.12 | stew | zno: one of the first strings you see will be either GRUB or LILO |
| 06:17.22 | struct | how do i get a /var/log/faillog file? i enabled it in /etc/login.defs. |
| 06:17.27 | amahbod | WOOT |
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| 06:17.29 | jetscreamer | just touch it struct |
| 06:17.29 | amahbod | it mounted |
| 06:17.30 | poo5555 | hey |
| 06:17.39 | poo5555 | that worked, except what was the config? my horizontal refresh is too low |
| 06:17.45 | struct | jetscreamer: i've done that, and it doesn't record failed login attempts |
| 06:17.51 | stew | !drxx poo5555 |
| 06:17.52 | dpkg | poo5555: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 06:17.53 | jetscreamer | ah.. no idea then sorry |
| 06:18.02 | poo5555 | thanks |
| 06:18.12 | skip_ | ok, so if I should be using xhost and can't "kedit filename" as root, then what do you suggest I do? |
| 06:18.16 | jetscreamer | choose medium unless you know the v & h refresh rates |
| 06:18.23 | cat | skip_: try nano as root |
| 06:18.25 | cat | best editor, |
| 06:18.30 | jetscreamer | make that nano -w |
| 06:18.38 | cat | yeah nano -w forgot about that |
| 06:18.39 | stew | zno: whoah s/grep// |
| 06:18.39 | mwilson | skip_: Why do you think you need to run this X application as root? |
| 06:18.44 | Myren | how can i dns lookup an ip address? |
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| 06:18.56 | skip_ | mwilson: I'm trying to edit files like fstab |
| 06:19.00 | stew | Myren: 'host 1.2.3.4' |
| 06:19.00 | jetscreamer | nslookup ip.ip.ip,ip ? |
| 06:19.05 | cat | Myren: host ip |
| 06:19.24 | Myren | skip_: generally there's almost NO applications which need to be run X as root, its very dangerous, but if you /really/ need to, there's sux. its su /w x. |
| 06:19.27 | Myren | thanks all |
| 06:19.49 | cat | Myren: np, |
| 06:19.55 | PhoenixGI | MobyTurbo: Got it, For somereason, even though it worked just fine in BSD's KDE/X had to change the protocol from "Microsoft" to "PS/2" |
| 06:19.56 | skip_ | Myren: thanks. So how do most people edit fstab and similar files? |
| 06:20.09 | cat | skip_: /etc/fstab ? |
| 06:20.14 | simonrvn | vim |
| 06:20.14 | cat | that's the stab config file |
| 06:20.15 | sgeigerbot` | skip_: why? |
| 06:20.15 | zno | having a hard time greping for info in my /dev/hdc1 device file |
| 06:20.19 | simonrvn | nano |
| 06:20.21 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: that makes sense. |
| 06:20.22 | skip_ | cat: yes |
| 06:20.23 | cat | zno: any errors? |
| 06:20.23 | simonrvn | cat: um, no |
| 06:20.25 | zno | what am I supposed to be looking for |
| 06:20.27 | stew | skip_: /usr/bin/editor /etc/fstab |
| 06:20.30 | simonrvn | cat: FS tab |
| 06:20.33 | MobyTurbo | PhoenixGI: glad you fixed it. |
| 06:20.42 | skip_ | stew: ok. |
| 06:20.49 | cat | that's what i say |
| 06:20.56 | stew | skip_: if you don't liek that update-alternatives --config editor |
| 06:20.57 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.00 | simonrvn | Mar 3 06:09:02 pylon slapd[10302]: conn=523 op=2 UNBIND |
| 06:21.04 | zno | I see "ReadBoot error" |
| 06:21.12 | simonrvn | cat ) that's the stab config file |
| 06:21.14 | jetscreamer | sounds like grub |
| 06:21.16 | sgeigerbot` | yxa: great. :-) |
| 06:21.17 | mwilson | It's bad enough that he's using KDE, but he wants to run KDE applications as root. |
| 06:21.25 | cat | oh ok, |
| 06:21.28 | simonrvn | freaking dufus |
| 06:21.37 | amahbod | cat, still have that time problem |
| 06:21.43 | skip_ | stew: thanks. So could using xhost cause X to crash on shutdown? |
| 06:21.43 | amahbod | cat, ntupdate is an init.d thing? |
| 06:21.45 | zno | was grub a mistake? |
| 06:21.49 | cat | amahbod: did u update it with ntp? |
| 06:21.51 | sgeigerbot` | simonrvn: that's a word I don't hear every day (anymore) |
| 06:21.56 | sdlinuxgeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.56 | cat | amahbod: yeap is a deamon |
| 06:22.03 | MobyTurbo | !tell cat about u |
| 06:22.05 | jetscreamer | zno, not really, but you need to fix it i guess |
| 06:22.05 | amahbod | cat, but every time i restart, i have the same problem |
| 06:22.13 | simonrvn | "daemon" |
| 06:22.18 | cat | amahbod: did you edit? the ntp config? |
| 06:22.21 | jetscreamer | fuck u !!! ( :) ) |
| 06:22.25 | stew | skip_: not by itself, but using xhost on a not *completely* trusted netowrk can cause you to get rooted fast |
| 06:22.32 | amahbod | cat, the file doesnt exist in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 06:22.41 | amahbod | cat, it doesnt exist on my system |
| 06:22.47 | cat | ok, |
| 06:22.54 | stew | skip_: bad memory could cause just about anything, you might try memtest86 |
| 06:23.17 | cat | let me check it out |
| 06:23.37 | jetscreamer | why do i smoke more when i have few cigs left? |
| 06:23.57 | moa3333 | i was forced to downgrade to kernel 2.4, nead some help to make alsa work again |
| 06:23.58 | Myren | i'm trying to grep for 129.2 or 128.2, i cant get the fraking syntaxes right htough |
| 06:24.01 | Myren | any help please |
| 06:24.02 | skip_ | stew: I'be googled my problem but there doesn't seem to be an obvious solution. Not sure if it's a coincidence, but it only happens when I run >2.6.7 kernels |
| 06:24.18 | cat | try apt-get install ntp-server |
| 06:24.20 | cat | that;s why |
| 06:24.46 | Capricous | to install X do I "apt-get install x-window-system-core" or is something else recommended? |
| 06:24.54 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 06:25.18 | cat | yeah amahbod that's what you need |
| 06:25.21 | zno | any bad consequences to doing apt-get install grub. I believe I have the grub from my original cd net install |
| 06:25.21 | Capricous | I was wondering because of all the X.org and all I have seen listed |
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| 06:25.36 | MobyTurbo | Capricous: if you do it that way you'll need to specify a window manager and terminal emulator. |
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| 06:25.45 | simonrvn | you won't get x.org stuff that way. it isn't in debian yet |
| 06:25.46 | jetscreamer | Capricous, apt-get install x-window-system is one method |
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| 06:26.02 | jetscreamer | yeah no xorg |
| 06:26.15 | jetscreamer | !tell Capricous about xorg |
| 06:26.28 | Capricous | I see, thank you |
| 06:26.30 | jetscreamer | zno shouldn't be |
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| 06:26.45 | cat | amahbod: u found it? |
| 06:26.46 | jetscreamer | there is also update-grub |
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| 06:27.00 | MobyTurbo | !tell cat about u |
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| 06:27.08 | amahbod | cat, no |
| 06:27.10 | cat | !hurt MobyTurbo |
| 06:27.18 | amahbod | cat, oh ntp-server |
| 06:27.19 | simonrvn | !fuck cat |
| 06:27.20 | amahbod | cat, ? |
| 06:27.22 | helix | uhh |
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| 06:27.26 | cat | yeah installed that, |
| 06:27.26 | helix | calm down, retards |
| 06:27.28 | amahbod | !fuck amahbod |
| 06:27.29 | poo5555 | this is seriously getting annoying |
| 06:27.37 | cat | and then edit the config that i told you |
| 06:27.45 | jetscreamer | speaking of ppl all caught up in their own importance |
| 06:27.45 | poo5555 | I manually edited /etc/X11/XF86-config-4 |
| 06:27.46 | amahbod | cat, the config didnt exist! |
| 06:27.51 | jetscreamer | hi helix |
| 06:27.51 | cat | now it does |
| 06:27.55 | cat | when you installed ntp-server |
| 06:28.00 | poo5555 | to edit in up to 100khz horizontal refresh and up to 85 vertical |
| 06:28.08 | poo5555 | the KDE screen resize/rotate tool says its going at 76hz |
| 06:28.08 | amahbod | cat, ah! |
| 06:28.15 | poo5555 | but my monitor's own on-screen menu says its running at 60hz |
| 06:28.18 | poo5555 | and its killing my eyes |
| 06:28.19 | poo5555 | what do I do? |
| 06:28.29 | amahbod | cat, what do i edit? |
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| 06:28.33 | cat | poo5555: apt-get remove xfonts-100dpi |
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| 06:28.40 | cat | /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 06:28.58 | jetscreamer | poo5555, did you google your vert refresh and horiz refresh rates for you monitor? |
| 06:29.00 | amahbod | cat, i am in the file, i meant what to edit... it looks like it just connects @ startup and will fetch the current time from some server |
| 06:29.02 | simonrvn | cat: poo5555 isn't even talking fonts |
| 06:29.03 | jetscreamer | or know them? |
| 06:29.08 | simonrvn | about* |
| 06:29.14 | cat | oh ic, |
| 06:29.15 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 06:29.36 | cat | amahbod: oh well, that's what you need to edit for the time so when u reboot it goes back to the time you want |
| 06:30.03 | poo5555 | jetscreamer, no, but I know it can handle 1024x768x85 since that's what i use in winblows |
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| 06:30.22 | amahbod | cat, thanks for the help. one last thing... i installed mysql-server and mythtv and now i cannot remove them with apt-get remove |
| 06:30.28 | amahbod | cat, suggestions? |
| 06:30.36 | cat | amahbod: any errors? |
| 06:30.36 | jetscreamer | poo5555, did you choose the medium option when you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? and restarted X ? |
| 06:31.04 | poo5555 | I tried that yes, it wouldn't goover 61hz even though I selected "1024x768x75" in the configure tool, and my monitor shows it at 60hz. |
| 06:31.21 | poo5555 | I'm thinking I need to go into windows, write down my exact horizontal refresh rate, and lock that in as the only available for X? grrr |
| 06:31.56 | MobyTurbo | poo5555: X can use a whole range of rates for the typical multisync monitor. |
| 06:32.02 | jetscreamer | poo5555, then go to monitorworld.com and find your monitor's refresh rates (that's vert&horiz, not exactly the same as @85) or google the model... then redo the reconfigure and choose advanced |
| 06:32.03 | d03boy | anyone happen to know how the hell to make a usb key bootable from windows? |
| 06:32.05 | simonrvn | poo5555: nah, there's stuff on the web to help you with that |
| 06:32.28 | amahbod | cat, i didnt know you could do regular expressions for apt-get... thats f****** awesome |
| 06:32.36 | amahbod | cat, like apt-get remove myth* |
| 06:32.41 | stew | poo5555: now that you have edited the config by hand you better /msg dpkg x md5sum ; or read the comments at the top of XF86Config-4 |
| 06:32.46 | simonrvn | amahbod: be careful with that though |
| 06:32.46 | cat | yeah |
| 06:32.47 | cat | u can |
| 06:32.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge kde* is very useful |
| 06:32.55 | simonrvn | "you" |
| 06:33.00 | libpcp | anyone can help me with bind dns, im setting up a new dns server, what should i set on the serial as a default setting? |
| 06:33.13 | jetscreamer | d03boy, i dunno how |
| 06:33.18 | cat | stupid shit i'm lag |
| 06:33.21 | libpcp | from the sample it is 2002061308 ; Serial |
| 06:33.25 | d03boy | its damn near impossible |
| 06:33.27 | simonrvn | libpcp: people usually put the date, plus a 2 digit number. starting at 00 |
| 06:33.32 | d03boy | especially since I dont have a floppy drive |
| 06:33.38 | jetscreamer | d03boy, 'should' be a bios thing, not a windows thing |
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| 06:33.42 | stew | libpcp: the date plus 01, so 2005030301 |
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| 06:34.05 | libpcp | okay thanks alot |
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| 06:34.16 | stew | libpcp: the second revision for today would be 2005030302 |
| 06:34.18 | stew | etc |
| 06:34.23 | Capricous | MobyTurbo: Is there a guide or way to determine what I need to do when setting window manager, terminal emulator, etc. when installing X? |
| 06:34.39 | amahbod | what is the syntax for adding a samba share to fstab |
| 06:34.43 | cat | Capricous: check out debian.org/doc |
| 06:34.44 | amahbod | do i put //computername first? |
| 06:34.48 | amahbod | /computername/share |
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| 06:34.50 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives, Capricous |
| 06:34.59 | cat | amahbod: huh? |
| 06:35.04 | libpcp | stew: and if i made some changes on the primary name server i will change the 2 digit so it will update the secondary name server? |
| 06:35.10 | amahbod | cat, i want to add a samba share to fstab |
| 06:35.14 | amahbod | cat, so it mounts on startup |
| 06:35.31 | amahbod | does the share go first |
| 06:35.37 | MobyTurbo | Capricous: check out xinman.org |
| 06:35.38 | amahbod | like //computername.com/sharename |
| 06:35.44 | amahbod | and then mountpoint? |
| 06:36.07 | cat | amahbod: look at the /etc/fstab options, |
| 06:36.08 | stew | libpcp: if you cange primary and the new serial is greater than the previous, all other nameservers named in NS entries will get notified automatically when you 'rndc reload domain.com' |
| 06:36.16 | cat | or the file looks easy enough |
| 06:36.45 | libpcp | okay thanks stew |
| 06:36.59 | cat | !info xmms |
| 06:37.07 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1943 kB, Installed size: 6024 kB |
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| 06:37.20 | d03boy | jetscreamer, does sarge have support for broadcom nic's built in? |
| 06:37.41 | jetscreamer | d03boy, i would think so, but i have no idea... |
| 06:37.56 | cat | !Broadcom |
| 06:37.57 | dpkg | from memory, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody |
| 06:38.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:38.07 | d03boy | "from memory" lol |
| 06:38.09 | amahbod | cat, how do i mount everything that is in my fstab? i thought there was like a mountall command like in freebsd |
| 06:38.11 | stew | d03boy: depending on which broadcom nic you might have to fetch non-free firmware from somewhere else |
| 06:38.20 | cat | amahbod: man mount |
| 06:38.22 | cat | should help |
| 06:38.29 | jetscreamer | amahbod, mount -a |
| 06:38.46 | amahbod | TY |
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| 06:38.51 | amahbod | you guys are THE BEST |
| 06:38.54 | poo5555 | jetscreamer may I message you? |
| 06:38.55 | amahbod | thanks for all the help |
| 06:38.56 | cat | of course |
| 06:39.11 | jetscreamer | poo5555, why? |
| 06:39.13 | cat | t-shirts debian cups debian hats, |
| 06:39.15 | jetscreamer | but sure |
| 06:39.22 | jetscreamer | it might not work |
| 06:39.27 | jetscreamer | i have +E |
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| 06:39.29 | deadcat | cat: where at? |
| 06:39.35 | cat | here, in my house, |
| 06:39.36 | damog | why do people would like to use mutt? |
| 06:39.40 | deadcat | cat: got pics? |
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| 06:39.59 | cat | deadcat: nope i'm gonna buy a webcam tomorrow, tomorrow i'm getting pay |
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| 06:40.06 | deadcat | cat: (= |
| 06:40.07 | cat | damog: nice simple, and good |
| 06:40.18 | cat | paycheck tomorrow, |
| 06:40.20 | deadcat | cat: i want to see what kind of tshirts you got. |
| 06:40.22 | damog | cat: do you use it? |
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| 06:40.30 | cat | damog: yes i do, |
| 06:40.39 | cat | deadcat: is just says debian and the debian sign |
| 06:40.42 | MobyTurbo | damog: "all mail clients suck, this one just sucks less" - mutt.org |
| 06:40.52 | deadcat | cat: the one from linuxworld expo? |
| 06:41.00 | cat | yeap the same |
| 06:41.11 | cat | but i'm gonna make my self a nice debian t-shirt |
| 06:41.19 | deadcat | hehe |
| 06:41.25 | cat | custom made |
| 06:41.28 | deadcat | cat: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/IMG_0045.JPG |
| 06:41.41 | damog | MoDaX: I don't think evo sucks ;) |
| 06:41.52 | cat | let's see |
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| 06:42.15 | cat | is that you'rs? |
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| 06:42.33 | deadcat | cat: ya. got it from linxuworld 2004 |
| 06:42.41 | cat | how much? |
| 06:42.58 | deadcat | $10. dondelecaro was selling thema t the debian booth. |
| 06:43.31 | cat | oh |
| 06:43.38 | cat | where do they do those expo? |
| 06:43.53 | deadcat | cat: san francisco,ca,usa |
| 06:43.58 | deadcat | august. |
| 06:44.00 | cat | oh every year? |
| 06:44.04 | cat | oh nice, how much is it? |
| 06:44.06 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:44.16 | deadcat | free exhibit hall pass |
| 06:44.16 | poo5555 | OK. so, here's a summar yof my issue. My monitor only displays at 60Hz. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, and manually editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , with no luck. the screen resize thing says whatever it want, my monitor is still at 60hz. I'm stuck and my eyes are killing me. |
| 06:44.24 | poo5555 | if anyone has any advice please feel free to share |
| 06:44.29 | cat | i'm gonna be there this august then |
| 06:44.30 | d03boy | there is a penguin on my screen :| |
| 06:44.32 | deadcat | cat: feb in boston, aug in sf |
| 06:44.47 | Phated | You know, most people like the penguin. |
| 06:44.50 | deadcat | cat: cool. linuxworldexpo.com sign up in few month. |
| 06:45.03 | deadcat | Phated: i found the ob3 theme (= |
| 06:45.08 | Phated | deadcat: Woo! |
| 06:45.14 | deadcat | and its hot hot hot! |
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| 06:45.15 | Phated | deadcat: Screenshot! |
| 06:45.18 | stew | Phated: my wife gets really goofy over penguns now |
| 06:45.29 | deadcat | Phated: yes sir: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ |
| 06:45.36 | Kvant | poo5555, what did you enter for HorizSync & VertRefresh? |
| 06:45.39 | Phated | And this, gents, is why Linux is a babe magnet. |
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| 06:45.57 | deadcat | Phated: amen to that. |
| 06:45.58 | Phated | So run Linux! |
| 06:46.00 | cat | deadcat: how did ya do that logo? |
| 06:46.12 | Phated | deadcat: Whoa, haaawt. |
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| 06:46.41 | stew | Phated: are you sure he is actually a babe magnet? |
| 06:46.49 | Phated | stew: I said Linux was. |
| 06:46.58 | stew | oh, i read that as linux |
| 06:47.00 | Phated | I have no idea who this "he" you refer to is. |
| 06:47.02 | stew | err linus |
| 06:47.14 | deadcat | Phated: you want it? |
| 06:47.19 | deadcat | cat: what logo? |
| 06:47.23 | Phated | deadcat: Oh yeah, sure. |
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| 06:47.41 | cat | this one |
| 06:47.42 | cat | hold up |
| 06:47.43 | AlexW | hey guys |
| 06:47.53 | AlexW | when i type shutdown -h now |
| 06:47.56 | cat | deadcat: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/2005-02-24-130301_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 06:48.06 | AlexW | it goes through kill and stuff then just says Power Down! |
| 06:48.08 | stew | AlexW: try /sbin/poweroff |
| 06:48.10 | AlexW | and doesnt actually turn off |
| 06:48.12 | Phated | deadcat: Love the electra backdrop. |
| 06:48.18 | cat | looks, nice |
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| 06:48.41 | deadcat | Phated: thanks. sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/ the ob3 tar |
| 06:48.50 | stew | AlexW: if that doens't work you can try passing apm=poweroff (or something similar) to your kernel (look it up) |
| 06:48.51 | Phated | deadcat: Thanks. :) |
| 06:48.55 | deadcat | cat: dont msg me. just here it ok |
| 06:49.02 | cat | oh ok sorry |
| 06:49.07 | cat | so deadcat how you did that logo? |
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| 06:49.26 | deadcat | cat: thats linux_logo (= |
| 06:49.30 | deadcat | apt-get the mofo hehe |
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| 06:49.54 | Zvpun | where is the \e[~ key? I got a .inputrc line stating "\e[~": paste-from-clipboard but I dont know how to find out where it is |
| 06:49.55 | deadcat | Phated: i modified the theme a little for my need. |
| 06:49.58 | Phated | deadcat: What're those things across the top of the right side monitor in the screenie with the Elektra backdrop? |
| 06:50.05 | cat | deadcat: and how did u put you'r kernel that name? |
| 06:50.08 | igraltist | hi |
| 06:50.08 | cat | do u have to compile a new one? |
| 06:50.16 | deadcat | Zvpun: thats escape+~ |
| 06:50.24 | Phated | cat: It does it automatically from the output of uname or something. |
| 06:50.41 | deadcat | Phated: idesk |
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| 06:50.46 | Phated | deadcat: Oh, cool. |
| 06:51.13 | deadcat | cat: --append-to-version +${HOSTNAME}+${DATE}${OPTION} |
| 06:51.15 | cat | so u can changed you'r kernel name with out ? |
| 06:51.32 | MobyTurbo | !tell cat about u |
| 06:51.35 | cat | deadcat: uname right? |
| 06:51.50 | igraltist | how can i see wich driver i has actuell loding, because my new kernel does not boot |
| 06:51.53 | deadcat | cat: when i compile, i use those option. and yes uname -r == 2.6.7+hades+20041020++catherine |
| 06:52.04 | cat | oh so i have to compile a new one? |
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| 06:52.13 | deadcat | cat: ya. |
| 06:52.30 | deadcat | Phated: i am gonna rm the tar |
| 06:52.41 | cat | is there any way i can do it with out, compile? |
| 06:52.53 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah, go ahead. I'm done. |
| 06:52.55 | deadcat | cat: nope. |
| 06:53.19 | cat | oh ic |
| 06:53.22 | deadcat | Phated: when you use the theme. mouse over the close button on the window (= |
| 06:53.32 | Phated | deadcat: Hm, let's see... |
| 06:54.57 | Zvpun | deadcat: and what about the [? |
| 06:55.14 | Phated | deadcat: Heh, cool. |
| 06:55.33 | Phated | deadcat: Those are really nice colours. |
| 06:55.36 | deadcat | Zvpun: that is escape, do this, control v, then press escape |
| 06:55.36 | daww | Finaly the compiled kernel works! But the kernel doesn't know iso9660 and a Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit network card that is compiled as a modules, what can I do about it? |
| 06:55.46 | helix | what colors are nice? |
| 06:55.47 | deadcat | Phated: ya. and i LOVE the maximize button hahahahah |
| 06:56.02 | Phated | deadcat: Hell yeah. |
| 06:56.11 | deadcat | helix: this theme: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/2005-02-24-130019_1024x768_scrot.png the ob3 theme |
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| 06:56.16 | jm_ | helix: tired of pastels? |
| 06:56.21 | helix | never |
| 06:56.22 | Phated | deadcat: Man, you should do something with the minimise button too. |
| 06:56.24 | helix | pastels hasta la muerte |
| 06:56.38 | Phated | Pastels till I die? |
| 06:56.50 | deadcat | Phated: i did the maximize button but i couldnt figure how to make the - to | when i mouse over. |
| 06:57.00 | Phated | deadcat: I see. |
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| 06:57.32 | deadcat | Phated: let me post the max_hover.xbm |
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| 06:57.46 | Phated | deadcat: No, I got that already, you shoud post iconify-hover. |
| 06:57.54 | Phated | Or, well, iconify_hover. |
| 06:57.56 | helix | I don't think I really see what's so great |
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| 06:58.06 | Scribey | 'lo |
| 06:58.24 | inc|freaky | how can i get a cardreader to work? |
| 06:58.29 | deadcat | helix: the buttons, especially the button the maximize the window |
| 06:58.44 | helix | what's up with your prompt |
| 06:58.49 | Phated | They wiggle! :) |
| 06:58.57 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 06:59.05 | deadcat | which one? |
| 06:59.21 | Zvpun | deadcat: What would I have to write if I want to bind something to shift+INS? Ctrl-V says ^[[2~ regardeless if I press shift or not. |
| 06:59.28 | jm_ | all that white must be horrible on your eyes |
| 06:59.32 | deadcat | Phated: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/max_hover.xbm |
| 06:59.49 | Phated | deadcat: Y'know, I can't tell how to make it change either. |
| 06:59.56 | helix | ~--<<!!!omfgdeadcat@hostname!!!>>---<(>^_^)>--~ |
| 06:59.57 | helix | that one |
| 07:00.03 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 07:00.21 | deadcat | Zvpun: no clue. bind -x '"\C-p"':'mutt <- this how i bind ^P to mutt |
| 07:00.29 | jm_ | helix: you forgot the line above it, with time and pts ;) |
| 07:00.40 | helix | oh god, yeah |
| 07:00.51 | deadcat | helix: ya. username@hostname (= == exist status 0 |
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| 07:02.08 | deadcat | Phated: put that xbm in the ob3 dir and restart the theme. heheh |
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| 07:02.17 | stew | becuase i have such a hard time rembering exactly which tty i'm on |
| 07:02.21 | stew | heh |
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| 07:02.48 | trogger | where are the ttys configured again, and is there any (even a slight) performance disadvantage having spare ones which you aren't using on a resource constrained system? |
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| 07:03.05 | bucky | is VA is marketing debian in japan and china ? |
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| 07:03.44 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 07:04.02 | Gumby | could anyone lend a hand. I am trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com. I have kernel-source-2.6.8 and I am running kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 but when I run the installed it tells me that I dont have a matching kernel-source installed. I have unpacked the .bz2 in /usr/src and did ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:04.25 | deadcat | Phated: it was trial and error to get that icon to point the opposite side. but cant figure the | |
| 07:04.30 | Gumby | I am really stuck here |
| 07:04.34 | Phated | deadcat: Ah. |
| 07:04.36 | daww | File system iso9660 is compiled as a module in my new kernel but when I boot a CD the kernel doesn't know the file system, how can I solve this? |
| 07:04.49 | deadcat | Gumby: have you tried the debian nvidia pkg? |
| 07:04.50 | trogger | daww: modprobe iso9660 |
| 07:05.27 | stew | daww: what do you mean "boot a cd" |
| 07:05.28 | Gumby | deadcat: um, no. I never knew there was one :( |
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| 07:05.43 | deadcat | !tell Gumby about nvidia |
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| 07:05.53 | stew | Gumby: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
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| 07:06.25 | stew | Gumby: err /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:06.32 | Gumby | deadcat/stew" thx. I'll give it my best shot |
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| 07:07.36 | linux_Tux | i'm using debian sarge and i want to share a windowsXP internet connection from Debian , can anyone point me to how to do that ? |
| 07:07.57 | deadcat | !tell linux_Tux about nat |
| 07:08.21 | trogger | linux_Tux: you need to enable internet connection sharing on your windows box, then use dhclient to get an ip address on your debian box from your windows box. |
| 07:08.39 | trogger | (or similar) |
| 07:09.31 | linux_Tux | trogger: i have a connected network between the 2 boxes |
| 07:09.42 | trogger | ok, have you enabled internet connection sharing on your windows box? |
| 07:09.44 | linux_Tux | trogger: i can share files |
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| 07:10.25 | dafen | a function f=e^x if x is rational, 0 otherwise, is it integrable? |
| 07:10.31 | dafen | surely in lebesugue sense |
| 07:10.39 | linux_Tux | i tried , i got this error , the specified service are not installed ... ? |
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| 07:10.46 | trogger | dafen: yes it is integrable. |
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| 07:10.54 | Gumby | "warning: /usr/src/linux seems to contain and unconfigured kernel-source" did I forget to do something? |
| 07:11.06 | dafen | ok, how about f(x)=1/x for x is rational, zero otherwise |
| 07:11.09 | trogger | dafen: depending on what kind of function x is to some extent. |
| 07:11.10 | dafen | is it integrable? |
| 07:11.13 | deadcat | Gumby: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:11.21 | drp | dafen: yeah |
| 07:11.26 | linux_Tux | trogger: ok suppose that i'll solve the Inet sharing on Windows , what to do after that ? |
| 07:11.29 | trogger | dafen: are we assuming that x is a scalar real rational variable? |
| 07:11.35 | dafen | still integrable?? I wonder how yoo construct the step functions |
| 07:11.41 | Gumby | deadcat: I have that as well. should I symlink that ? |
| 07:11.50 | dafen | so we have m(0)<e, but f(0)=oo |
| 07:11.58 | dafen | m(0)*oo <e? |
| 07:12.00 | deadcat | Gumby: then export KVERS=`uname -r` KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`; cd /usr/src/module*/nvidia*/; binary_modules |
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| 07:12.06 | trogger | dafen: do you know the dirac delta function? |
| 07:12.16 | dafen | trogger.. no |
| 07:12.18 | trogger | dafen: sorry, the dirac delta "function" |
| 07:12.30 | trogger | dafen: this is what you need to have a look at, I think. |
| 07:12.34 | linux_Tux | trogger: .. hello ? |
| 07:12.39 | dafen | but I think Lebesgue integral defined to be step functions |
| 07:12.41 | dafen | ok |
| 07:13.21 | Gumby | deadcat: I am getting that error before the modules are compiled |
| 07:13.37 | trogger | linux_Tux: sorry, getting carried away with the maths. simplest way is to enable the internet connection sharing, then use dhcp to setup your debian box. or... if you're comfortable, just check that your default route is set to your windows box (e.g. use route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) |
| 07:14.13 | deadcat | Gumby: try cd to the nvidia dir and run debian/rules binary_modules |
| 07:14.42 | dafen | so basically it implies that 0* oo =0? |
| 07:14.46 | Gumby | deadcat: I dont have a /usr/src/modules dir |
| 07:14.57 | dafen | coz it's oo*m(0) for step functions |
| 07:15.10 | deadcat | Gumby: did you install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx build-essential ? |
| 07:15.36 | linux_Tux | trogger: i already gave IP manualy to debian box i didn't use dhcp , and what do u mean by default route |
| 07:15.50 | trogger | dafen: the dirac delta function is theoretically oo at 0, but has unit area when integrated from -oo to +oo. |
| 07:16.14 | Gumby | deadcat: no I didnt. I just tried to run the "one-liner" that was msged to me |
| 07:16.18 | dafen | trogger, I am talking about lebesgue |
| 07:16.31 | deadcat | Gumby: le me see what the one-liner say |
| 07:16.32 | Gumby | it seems that its choking before getting that far |
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| 07:16.35 | jamie | hello, trying to set up dnscache. i can get to it fine if i do dig www.yahoo.com @10.1.0.20 (local ip) but not 127.0.0.1 or localhost, even though files named 10, 127.0.0.1, and localhost are in /etc/dnscache/root/ip/. I can't resolve a name from any other machine on the local 10.* network either. Oddly, I get no failures in the logs. |
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| 07:16.55 | trogger | linux_Tux: the debian box needs to know how to connect to the outside world. if you type route, it will tell you how it gets there. basically the above route command will tell your debian box to connect to the outside world by going through your windows box. |
| 07:17.05 | dafen | oopss!!!!! |
| 07:17.09 | Gumby | deadcat: "package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package." I am guessing thats the issue |
| 07:17.13 | dafen | wrong channel... I thought it 's #math :( |
| 07:17.24 | dafen | what a ixxx I am |
| 07:17.32 | Gumby | nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 07:17.41 | deadcat | Gumby: i guess they changed the way of install the nvidia module now. |
| 07:17.48 | jamie | gumby, deadcat : module-assistant |
| 07:17.49 | trogger | dafen: I'm not familiar with lebesgue, so excuse me if I'm talking out of a hole in my head... I was taking a different approach. |
| 07:17.57 | jamie | deadcat: module-assistant is new way |
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| 07:18.09 | jamie | deadcat: it'll build modules for just about anything for you |
| 07:18.16 | deadcat | jamie: cool.. i usually build it when i compile the kernel. |
| 07:18.23 | jamie | deadcat: although you could always use the good old nvidia installer ;-) |
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| 07:18.29 | Gumby | I jumped the gun. I dont have unstable apt sources |
| 07:18.35 | deadcat | jamie: fuck that shit (= |
| 07:18.41 | konsol | pang disk sarge-i386-10.iso ang downlaod ko 4 disk to go |
| 07:18.42 | linux_Tux | trogger: suppose i gave the Windows box 10.0.0.1 and the debian 10.0.0.2 and both netmask 255.255.255.0 , what should i do now |
| 07:18.57 | trogger | say to the debian box "route add default gw 10.0.0.1" |
| 07:19.13 | jamie | anyone have any dnscache expertise? (djbdns) |
| 07:19.29 | linux_Tux | trogger: then .. ? |
| 07:19.41 | miyo | jamie: Not djbdns... but I have used dnsmasq. |
| 07:19.55 | Gumby | jamie: I tried installing from the nvidia-install.run but it kept telling me my kernel and kernel-source didnt match |
| 07:20.21 | trogger | linux_Tux: then, if you have enabled it properly under windows (which you need to do explicitly), you need to add the dns server address to /etc/resolv.conf, and you should be away laughing. |
| 07:20.26 | jamie | miyo: oh, yes? good stuff? |
| 07:20.37 | jamie | Gumby: did you build your own kernel? |
| 07:20.57 | Gumby | jamie: no. I just picked the 2.6.8-2.k7 kernel |
| 07:21.10 | thesaboteur | jamie try #dns maybe. |
| 07:21.20 | Gumby | how do I "configure" my kernel-source ? |
| 07:21.25 | miyo | jamie: It has been fine for me. |
| 07:21.27 | Gumby | ./configure? |
| 07:21.30 | trogger | Gumby: use make menuconfig inside /usr/src/linux |
| 07:21.31 | linux_Tux | trogger: suppose i'm using a dialup connection on windows what'll be the DNS server to put it in the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:21.34 | trogger | Gumby: or make xconfig |
| 07:21.41 | jamie | miyo: i'll check it out, thx! |
| 07:21.44 | miyo | jamie: Before using dnsmasq, I used bind9 for "caching" *grin* |
| 07:21.48 | deadcat | Gumby: no. my way is fine you you use debian kernel. just do the export |
| 07:21.54 | jamie | Gumby: you need the right kernel headers |
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| 07:22.06 | miyo | jamie: Don't forget resolvconf, which works nice in co-operation with dnsmasq |
| 07:22.09 | jamie | Gumby: although I think building a kernel is sometimes easier ;-) |
| 07:22.18 | thesaboteur | I avoid anything bind related like the plague :) |
| 07:22.19 | jamie | miyo: how does resolvconf work? |
| 07:22.20 | trogger | linux_Tux: actually, your windows box should forward those requests for you, so you could just use "echo nameserver 10.0.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 07:22.39 | Gumby | jamie: I have the matching kernel-headers in /usr/src (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7) |
| 07:22.58 | trogger | linux_Tux: are you using win XP? |
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| 07:23.02 | jamie | thesaboteur: thanks! didn't catch the #dns until just now ;-) |
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| 07:23.13 | jamie | thesaboteur: bind sucks ;-) i use mydns |
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| 07:23.58 | linux_Tux | togger: echo "nameserver" nameserver is the windows box computer name or just i have to type nameserver .. ? |
| 07:24.09 | jamie | Gumby: hm don't know ;-) build the kernel yourself mebbe? i prefer that route. be sure to build initrd OR just build your ide controller and filesystem (ie reiserfs) right into the kernel or your new kernel won't be bootable -- "can't mount root fs" |
| 07:24.16 | miyo | jamie: apt-cache show resolvconf |
| 07:24.24 | trogger | linux_Tux: nope, nameserver is what you want. |
| 07:24.36 | linux_Tux | trogger: anyname |
| 07:24.38 | linux_Tux | ? |
| 07:24.46 | jamie | thanks miyo, thesaboteur!!! |
| 07:24.48 | trogger | linux_Tux: type exactly what I typed above. |
| 07:25.02 | PRO1 | sup?im not a bot lol |
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| 07:25.17 | thesaboteur | jamie: no problem, good luck. |
| 07:25.28 | linux_Tux | togger: then .. ? |
| 07:25.34 | trogger | test it! |
| 07:25.41 | DeaLER34 | how can I go about using my own kernel for installing debian? |
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| 07:25.56 | jm_ | DeaLER34: read the install guide |
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| 07:26.12 | linux_Tux | togger: ok thanks i'll check |
| 07:26.43 | Gumby | deadcat: ok, I have tried what you said (made sure nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx build-essential were all installed) then I did export KVERS=`uname -r` and KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`. I still have issues with the cd /usr/src/module.... part. I still dont have a /usr/src/modules* dir |
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| 07:27.21 | deadcat | Gumby: untar the nvidia pkg in /usr/src |
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| 07:27.42 | Gumby | man I am daft tonigh |
| 07:27.43 | Gumby | t |
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| 07:28.14 | DeaLER34 | jm_: does it say in there? |
| 07:28.18 | jm_ | DeaLER34: yes |
| 07:29.11 | jm_ | DeaLER34: 10.3 Replacing the Rescue Floppy Kernel |
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| 07:29.45 | helix__ | ugh |
| 07:29.56 | jarmo | what was the search tool with apt again? |
| 07:30.01 | mono | hi, i am interested in setting up a linux cluster. meaning i am interested in having two machines, one as the primary and one as the failover. Once the primary drops (for any reason) the failover will take over containg the same data and configuraiton (obviously) the primary server had. any good docs? |
| 07:30.03 | trogger | jarmo: apt-cache search |
| 07:30.07 | jarmo | thanks =) |
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| 07:30.38 | helix | fucking christ |
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| 07:31.07 | ggl_6 | hi anyone knows how to make grep show you results that doesn't match a regexp? |
| 07:31.14 | trogger | ngrep ? |
| 07:31.19 | jm_ | ggl_6: man grep |
| 07:31.26 | deadcat | ggl_6: -v |
| 07:31.31 | trogger | ignore me. |
| 07:31.42 | deadcat | trogger: ngrep is for network |
| 07:31.46 | daww | "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/hdc/" gives me "mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel". iso9660 is compiled as a module into my kernel (2.6.8). How can I solve this? |
| 07:31.47 | ggl_6 | duh, i see it now -v thanks |
| 07:31.50 | TinoW | I wonder where the spammers hide here |
| 07:31.57 | trogger | deadcat: see above comment "ignore me." |
| 07:32.01 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:32.04 | jm_ | daww: cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 07:32.56 | ggl_6 | regular expression doesnt have a not operator? or does it? |
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| 07:33.12 | deadcat | ggl_6: [^x] |
| 07:33.13 | TinoW | mono: thats hairy and depends a lot on the services your server should provide |
| 07:33.55 | jm_ | ggl_6: there are various regex types, man 7 regex |
| 07:34.17 | ggl_6 | i see it now in the book, god! i feel stupid! |
| 07:34.51 | DeaLER34 | jm_ I'm reading it now.. sounds difficult |
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| 07:35.06 | jm_ | DeaLER34: why do you want to use a different kernel? |
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| 07:35.53 | DeaLER34 | i used dd to copy a 10 gig drive to a 150 gig raid 5 set and when I ran df it showed that my partition was the same size as the drive I cloned.. any ideas on how to avoid this? |
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| 07:36.02 | DeaLER34 | im trying to do an install using the aacraid.o module |
| 07:36.03 | jesse | Anyone know much about mysql? |
| 07:36.11 | ggl_6 | jm_:t i'll read up on that. thanks |
| 07:36.12 | trogger | DeaLER34: don't use dd. |
| 07:36.12 | dondelelcaro | jesse: no, no one does. |
| 07:36.26 | jesse | dondelelcaro, smart ass. |
| 07:36.29 | daww | jm_, That just list mounted file systems, right? I need to know why the new kernel doesn't support some of the modules (iso9660, Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet)? |
| 07:36.30 | jm_ | DeaLER34: don't use dd, you need to mkfs it and copy it over |
| 07:36.31 | DeaLER34 | is there another program for backing up a filesystem? |
| 07:36.37 | jm_ | daww: no, it lists supported filesystems |
| 07:36.39 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. smart ass (= |
| 07:37.03 | dondelelcaro | yes, my ass is smart. I've installed a tertiary brain there in the adipose tissue |
| 07:37.20 | DeaLER34 | I tried to copy everything and it used more space then the original :(.. is that because it was copying through the links? |
| 07:37.35 | dondelelcaro | it currently has taken over a few third world nations |
| 07:37.41 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I went to try to login today.. and my root password iddn't seem to be working.. so I've followed some instructions on how to reset it.. I started it in --skip-grant-tables mode and tried korrupt:/home/jesse# mysqladmin -u root password newpass |
| 07:37.41 | jesse | mysqladmin: unable to change password; error: 'You must have privileges to update tables in the mysql database to be able to change passwords for others' |
| 07:37.41 | jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.42 | jm_ | yes, you copied it incorrectly, use cp -a for example |
| 07:37.46 | trogger | linux_Tux: were you successful? |
| 07:37.46 | jesse | sorry for the flood. |
| 07:38.11 | DeaLER34 | yeah thats the command I used |
| 07:38.12 | daww | jm_, if I run cat /proc/filesystem when no cd is mounted iso9660 is not listed, when I mount a cd and run cat /proc/filesystem iso9660 is listed |
| 07:38.23 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you need to start the msyql with --skip-grant-tables, then use mysqladmin to specify the password (or better, use mysql to modify the mysql table) |
| 07:38.43 | jm_ | daww: that means the modules gets loaded |
| 07:38.45 | jesse | dondelelcaro, That's what i did...... I started it with mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
| 07:38.51 | dondelelcaro | jesse: until you can login as root using mysql *WITHOUT* specifying a password, you haven't started up mysqld with --skip-grant-tables. |
| 07:39.00 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I can. |
| 07:39.13 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Thats the thing.. and I've tried changing it with the mysql client |
| 07:39.19 | dondelelcaro | jesse: and/ |
| 07:39.22 | jesse | dondelelcaro, and then i quit and try to recoonect .. |
| 07:39.24 | jesse | and the password doesnt work |
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| 07:39.50 | dondelelcaro | jesse: it won't work until you restart mysqld or flush grant privelidges; or whatever the hell the command is |
| 07:39.53 | DeaLER34 | is it possible to use the sarge installer on floppy and use the woody cds? |
| 07:39.59 | jm_ | DeaLER34: cp -a has always preserved symlinks for me |
| 07:40.02 | dondelelcaro | DeaLER34: no. |
| 07:40.02 | jesse | dondelelcaro, yes. i flushed them.. and i've tried restarting them |
| 07:40.04 | jm_ | DeaLER34: no |
| 07:40.07 | jesse | dondelelcaro, which leads me to why i'm stumped. |
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| 07:40.15 | dondelelcaro | jesse: how did you change your password? |
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| 07:40.48 | DeaLER34 | I compiled aacraid on kernel 2.4.18 and used bf24 for installing and loaded aacraid off the floppy but i got a stupid error message!! |
| 07:40.50 | avida | is debian sarge going to be released in a finalize form anytime soon ? |
| 07:40.51 | daww | jm_, Do you have a clue why iso9660 is not supported by the kernel even if it's compiled as a module? |
| 07:40.58 | jesse | dondelelcaro, mysql> UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('newpwd') |
| 07:40.58 | jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.58 | jesse | mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
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| 07:41.06 | jm_ | daww: it is supported, but there's some other problem with mounting your CD |
| 07:41.08 | DeaLER34 | and I tried using compact because it said it had scsi features |
| 07:41.10 | daww | jm_, Im not running that kernel right now |
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| 07:41.15 | DeaLER34 | damn.. |
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| 07:41.29 | kevinz | how can i get started if i want to program with gtk, what to install |
| 07:41.35 | dondelelcaro | jesse: that cannot be the syntax you used. |
| 07:41.36 | daww | jm_, I'd tried it on the current running kernel (the old one) |
| 07:41.55 | jesse | dondelelcaro, It is.... |
| 07:42.09 | jm_ | daww: and it works? I think lots of people have had problems with 2.6.8 kernel and CD-s, why not try 2.6.10 or .11 (which is very new, so not sure how good it is)? |
| 07:42.11 | dondelelcaro | jesse: no, it can't, since that would have given an error. The column is password, not Password. |
| 07:42.18 | dondelelcaro | s/column/field/ |
| 07:42.29 | DeaLER34 | i have the raid array running stable after bios updates and etc.. now just getting the operating system to install on it! I used cp -a to copy all the data (even tho i think it copied wrong) but I had trouble loading lilo onto /dev/sda1 |
| 07:42.33 | daww | jm_, well it says (on the new kernel) "mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel" |
| 07:42.36 | DeaLER34 | I get LILO 01010101010101 |
| 07:43.18 | jm_ | daww: wait, it says just that, and not something more like "or there are too many mounted filesystems"? |
| 07:44.02 | daww | jm_, Another one "My kernel doesn't find my Intel PRO/1000 Desktop MT Adapter, 'Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet support' is compiles as a module into my kernel (2.6.8). How can I solve this?" |
| 07:44.28 | daww | jm_, Are you sure this has nothing to do with modules that is not loaded? |
| 07:45.10 | DeaLER34 | did u enable intel pro in the kernel? |
| 07:45.25 | DeaLER34 | Becuase I have a Intel pro card and it worked when i compiled it in 2.6.9 |
| 07:45.26 | daww | DeaLER34, yes |
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| 07:45.44 | DeaLER34 | with 2.4.18 im using the drivers from ASUS |
| 07:45.45 | daww | DeaLER34, as a module, but the kernel not find it |
| 07:45.58 | DeaLER34 | make modules; make modules_install? |
| 07:46.08 | DeaLER34 | then u gotta put e100 in your /etc/modules |
| 07:46.31 | tay | using testing, 2.6 series trying to make my own kernel using make_kpkg but the blasted thing insists on using 386 instead of 686 and I dont know how to set it not to (the man pages arent helpful) |
| 07:46.37 | jm_ | daww: wait, one problem at a time - did you try loading the module? |
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| 07:46.41 | DeaLER34 | I hate modules :( compile it in.. bloat the kernel a little more :) |
| 07:46.46 | ggl_6 | what's the difference bet. egrep and grep? |
| 07:47.04 | jm_ | daww: the thing is, you said that after mount attempt, the file /proc/filesystems shows iso9660 as supported, that's pretty strange |
| 07:47.31 | jesse | dondelelcaro, any ideas? |
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| 07:47.51 | Stereo | hello again |
| 07:47.53 | dondelelcaro | jesse: again, the column is password, not Password. What is the update command you actually ran? (just change the password) |
| 07:48.06 | DeaLER34 | Is there something special I need to know for lilo and /dev/sda devices |
| 07:48.15 | Stereo | I'm having a very strange procmail problem. The procmailrc works fine with one user, but not the other |
| 07:48.15 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I tried it the other way.. I private messaged you my commands word for word. |
| 07:48.24 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you have not restarted mysqld yet. |
| 07:48.29 | daww | jm_, that was on my currently running kernel not the new |
| 07:48.55 | DeaLER34 | I messed with mysqld this morning for 2 hours and was able to link and export tables from microsoft access to a linux server |
| 07:48.59 | dondelelcaro | jesse: and don't /msg me. Read /topic |
| 07:49.03 | DeaLER34 | table linking is the slowest thing i've ever seen |
| 07:49.09 | jm_ | daww: ahh yes, that won't help us debug the problem ;) |
| 07:49.15 | jesse | dondelelcaro, doesn't work if I restart it.. or flush privs.. |
| 07:49.26 | jesse | infact.. after I do that.. and flush prives. I no longer can login as root at all. |
| 07:49.30 | Stereo | so I have this: |
| 07:49.31 | Stereo | MAILDIR=/home/carin/Mail |
| 07:49.32 | Stereo | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.Carin.Inbox/ |
| 07:49.36 | daww | jm_, anyway after I'd configured the kernel I'd did "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image" and then "cd ..; dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.6_custom.1_i386.deb" |
| 07:49.41 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you need to restart mysqld *WITHOUT* --skip-grant-tables; otherwise you won't be able to login with a passowrd. |
| 07:49.44 | dondelelcaro | s/ow/wo/ |
| 07:49.47 | Stereo | and my emails end up in ~carin/.Carin.Inbox |
| 07:49.48 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I did. |
| 07:50.00 | daww | jm_, then I'd rebooted with the new kernel |
| 07:50.05 | Stereo | as if MAILDIR were overwritten to HOME |
| 07:50.22 | jesse | dondelelcaro, korrupt:/var/www/virtual/korrupt/html# mysqld |
| 07:50.22 | jesse | mysqld: ready for connections |
| 07:50.22 | jm_ | daww: did you check if your kernel image includes the module? |
| 07:50.24 | DeaLER34 | sometimes windows is easier.. uninstall/reinstall mysqld |
| 07:50.33 | DeaLER34 | haha |
| 07:50.36 | DeaLER34 | like everything else |
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| 07:51.17 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you start mysqld with /etc/init.d/mysql start; |
| 07:51.35 | daww | jm_, how? |
| 07:51.35 | Putiikki | how to change my debian's language? |
| 07:51.41 | jesse | dondelelcaro, that doenst work either.. beleive me . i've been trying everything i can think of |
| 07:51.54 | jm_ | daww: dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.6blabla |
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| 07:52.08 | dondelelcaro | jesse: and does the password for root match the output of PASSWORD('foopass') that's present in the grant table? |
| 07:52.14 | jesse | dondelelcaro, the part that throws me off about the script is.. this Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 07:52.19 | jesse | dondelelcaro, But it's running |
| 07:52.28 | dondelelcaro | jesse: /etc/init.d/mysql stop; /etc/init.d/mysql start; |
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| 07:52.35 | daww | jm_, /lib/modules/2.6.82005-03-03 (the new kernel) exist, w |
| 07:53.00 | jesse | dondelelcaro, stop starts it.. not in ps aux... start starts it.. but says failed.. but the process is running. |
| 07:53.05 | kuru | quickie question on bind.. how do I list a bunch of ip's for allow-transfer { ip1, ip2, ip3; } or is it { ip1; ip2; ip3; } ? |
| 07:53.10 | jm_ | daww: yes, but does it include your iso9660 module? |
| 07:53.12 | dondelelcaro | jesse: does stop stop mysqld? |
| 07:53.14 | kuru | I can't seem to find anythin gin the docs about the delimiter used |
| 07:53.34 | dondelelcaro | jesse: if not, kill off whatever mysqld is running, start one using the initscript, and check what is actually in the grant table |
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| 07:53.44 | dondelelcaro | jesse: make sure it matches what you think is the password |
| 07:53.51 | DeaLER34 | I have a 2 U server sitting in my bedroom and i've been trying to get linux on it for 2 days |
| 07:53.56 | DeaLER34 | newbie or what? |
| 07:53.59 | dondelelcaro | (also make sure there's a entry for localhost) |
| 07:54.23 | dondelelcaro | DeaLER34: get a sarge netinst CD, and install. If you have questions, read the install manual. |
| 07:54.35 | jm_ | DeaLER34: it might prove problematic with Debian stable, because of lack of hardware support, but you can always install from knoppix using debootstrap |
| 07:54.43 | jm_ | DeaLER34: or use Sarge like dondelelcaro said |
| 07:54.57 | daww | jm_, "dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1_i386.deb" gives me "Package `kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1_i386.deb' is not installed." |
| 07:55.01 | d03boy | !sarge-netinstall |
| 07:55.04 | DeaLER34 | ok one more question then.. i read about debootstrap.. how do I invoke that from command line |
| 07:55.05 | jesse | dondelelcaro, alright. so if i completely stop all of it.. and run the start. it still says FAILED.. but its running.. and the stop won't stop it. |
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| 07:55.16 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.19 | jesse | dondelelcaro, korrupt:/var/www/virtual/korrupt/html# ps aux |grep mysqld |
| 07:55.20 | jesse | root 25401 0.0 0.0 2052 968 pts/1 S 07:54 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/safe_mysqld |
| 07:55.30 | dondelelcaro | gah. Please don't suggest going from knoppix->debian unless you're willing to support whatever is currently broken with that transition |
| 07:55.41 | jm_ | daww: yes, you don't use it like that - 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep kernel-image-2.6' to get actual package name |
| 07:55.58 | jm_ | it's not knoppix to debian, it's just using knoppix's kernel |
| 07:56.00 | dondelelcaro | jesse: ok, that's most likely because you've totally munged your grant tables for some reason, removing the Debian maintenance user. |
| 07:56.19 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Well.. How can I go about fixing this without loosing clients mysql data? |
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| 07:56.56 | dondelelcaro | jesse: run mysql with --skip-grant-table and dump the contents of the user table, and paste it using the paster bot. |
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| 07:56.57 | dondelelcaro | jesse: strip out anything that isn't the root or debian-sys-maint user |
| 07:57.06 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Could you please tell me how to dump the contents of the user table. |
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| 07:57.46 | daww | jm_, "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1_i386.deb"? |
| 07:58.02 | jm_ | daww: no, use the command I gave you, don't modify it according to your ideas |
| 07:58.38 | dondelelcaro | jesse: mysql -u root -e "SELECT * from mysql.user WHERE User='debian-sys-maint' OR User='root';" |
| 07:58.55 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you should see two lines returned (at least), both with Host='localhost' |
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| 07:59.16 | jesse | dondelelcaro, the results care me... |
| 07:59.18 | daww | jm_, ok that give me "ii kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03 custom.1" |
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| 07:59.35 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Its a lot of... crap.. How do i go about using this paster bot .. |
| 07:59.39 | daww | jm_, and the next line "Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.82005-03-03." |
| 07:59.43 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 07:59.44 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 07:59.49 | jm_ | daww: right, so dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1 |
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| 08:00.00 | DeaLER34 | well thats not good! :( I checked the modules.tgz in the disks folders and there is no aacraid :( |
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| 08:00.25 | paster | "jesse" at 66.188.222.221 pasted "mysql user table" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/303 |
| 08:00.34 | DeaLER34 | probably because its experiment |
| 08:00.42 | daww | jm_, that give me "Package `kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1' is not installed." |
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| 08:01.15 | jm_ | daww: well use the second word from dpkg -l output with dpkg -L |
| 08:01.29 | dondelelcaro | jesse: ok, that looks reasonable... and does the output of mysql -e "SELECT PASSWORD('yourpassword')" match what's in the password table? |
| 08:01.59 | DeaLER34 | do you have to have raid-5 suport in the kernel for a kernel to use a scsi raid-5 card.. or do you just need the driver for the card? |
| 08:02.04 | daww | jm_, "Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files," and next line "and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents." |
| 08:02.08 | dondelelcaro | DeaLER34: you just need the driver for the card |
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| 08:02.20 | dondelelcaro | DeaLER34: real hardware raid just looks like a disk to the kernel |
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| 08:02.58 | daww | jm_, then dpkg --contents kernel-image... |
| 08:02.59 | jesse | dondelelcaro, korrupt:/var/lib/mysql# mysql -e "SELECT PASSWORD('newpwd')" |
| 08:03.00 | jesse | +--------------------+ |
| 08:03.00 | jesse | | PASSWORD('newpwd') | |
| 08:03.00 | jesse | +--------------------+ |
| 08:03.00 | jesse | | 43adcaeb639dab47 | |
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| 08:03.15 | DeaLER34 | I got a non linux question.. whoever built this server used an adaptec 2410 card but didn't use the same brand enclosure kit.. the activity lights don't blink. Is this just because it was put together wrong? |
| 08:03.23 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you didn't need to paste it... just saying that it matched would do... |
| 08:03.55 | jesse | dondelelcaro, sorry.. yes it matches |
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| 08:04.57 | dondelelcaro | jesse: ok, that should be ok... and then you still can't connect if you kill off mysqld and restart it? is there anything interesting in /var/log/mysql/mysql.err or /var/log/mysql/mysql.log?: |
| 08:04.58 | sketchy | how do you rebuild the locate database? |
| 08:04.59 | daww | jm_, why not just check /boot/config-2.6.82005-03-03? |
| 08:05.18 | DeaLER34 | well im gonna try sarge.. im gonna crap my shorts if it works |
| 08:05.41 | jm_ | daww: well that will tell you if you enabled it, but also check if the module is actually there, come on, this is 30s job ;) |
| 08:06.13 | dondelelcaro | sketchy: run updatedb... but it should be run by one of the standard cronjobs |
| 08:06.24 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Not really. just said acceping connections. the second /var/log/mysq/mysql.log doesnt exist. |
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| 08:06.49 | daww | jm_, ok, anyway config-2.6.82005-03-03 had CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=m |
| 08:06.53 | d03boy | there are 15 sarge cd's?? |
| 08:07.01 | jm_ | daww: good, now check if the module is in your image |
| 08:07.06 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: 15 binary, and ~15 source |
| 08:07.27 | DeaLER34 | trying to get linux working properly is addicting |
| 08:07.31 | DeaLER34 | but its impossible |
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| 08:07.33 | jesse | dondelelcaro, and no.. still cant connect.. and it still says failed on start. |
| 08:07.38 | d03boy | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ <-- so if I get the first one here, I can basically do a netinstall? |
| 08:07.43 | jesse | dondelelcaro, but the process is running.... |
| 08:07.43 | daww | jm_, I'm on my way |
| 08:07.53 | hanasaki | trying to build the nvida dirvers with 2.6.11 and getting the follwoing error.. works fine on 2.6.10 /tmp/selfgz8085/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1/usr/src/nv/os-agp.c:445: erro |
| 08:07.53 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.53 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.53 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:08.10 | hanasaki | ug.. sorry .. was supposed to be one long line |
| 08:08.18 | daww | jm_, you are a helping hand right now my friend |
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| 08:08.55 | hanasaki | anyone got nvidia drivers runnign on kernel 2.6.11? |
| 08:09.06 | DeaLER34 | anyone here know anything about cisco 7111 UBR's? |
| 08:09.35 | dondelelcaro | jesse: have you changed anything in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? are you sure you only have one database directory and that it's /var/lib/msyql? |
| 08:09.45 | sion | anyone know how to do a net install on USB thumb drive? |
| 08:09.46 | jesse | dondelelcaro, hmm.. If this helps at all. recenetly my previous server got a rootkit.. So my other administartor moved the server over while I was on vacation.... Maybe something wasn't moved right.. or permissions? |
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| 08:10.10 | jm_ | sion: read the Sarge install guide |
| 08:10.17 | DeaLER34 | lol |
| 08:10.20 | d03boy | sion, I just researched that, and it seems nearly impossible |
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| 08:10.27 | dondelelcaro | jesse: could be... the mysql tables should all be owned by mysql.mysql |
| 08:10.31 | jesse | dondelelcaro, The only thing I know of was that.. and that was about 2 weeks ago.. I just tried to add a new user to mysql earlier.. and ran into this.. |
| 08:10.39 | dondelelcaro | jesse: check the permissions on /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 08:10.39 | DeaLER34 | linuz travolds couldn't even do it |
| 08:10.42 | jesse | dondelelcaro, yeap.. they are |
| 08:10.58 | daww | jm_, Ok "dpkg --contents kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1_i386.deb" is for checking all modules in the package, right? |
| 08:11.10 | dondelelcaro | jesse: and everything in /var/lib/mysql/mysql/* is mysql:mysql, right? |
| 08:11.18 | jesse | dondelelcaro, correct. |
| 08:11.20 | DeaLER34 | rebuild ur database with ISAM or whatever. |
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| 08:11.45 | DeaLER34 | jesse, how fast is the connection to the server that got hacked? |
| 08:11.47 | jm_ | daww: yes, that's also one way of doing it |
| 08:11.47 | jesse | dondelelcaro, oh.. the old server was testing.. different mysql versions maybe have something to do with this mess/ |
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| 08:11.53 | jesse | DeaLER34, 10 megabit.. |
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| 08:11.55 | vaq | How do i install java into my apache server? |
| 08:12.04 | faca | hello |
| 08:12.15 | daww | jm_, the list is very long, I can't copy everything, what can I do? |
| 08:12.22 | jesse | dondelelcaro, this is now woody. |
| 08:12.45 | dondelelcaro | jesse: they're not compatible in that direction. |
| 08:12.54 | idealbsd | How to use openmcu and gnomemeeting in the same debian box? |
| 08:12.55 | jm_ | daww: never heard of grep? or pager? |
| 08:12.57 | jesse | dondelelcaro, well... that might explain it then.... Do i have any options at this point? |
| 08:13.00 | dondelelcaro | jesse: use mysqldump and dump the data out of all the databsaes. |
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| 08:13.18 | DeaLER34 | Im curious as to whether or not if you pay for a 10mbit burstable.. what you do if someone is flooding you with packets? do you pay? |
| 08:13.22 | dondelelcaro | (after starting with --skip-grant-tables) |
| 08:13.36 | dondelelcaro | s/not compatible/likely not compatible/ |
| 08:13.42 | jesse | DeaLER34, Well....Flooding *you* with packets.. I guess that's a good point. I've never had an issue.. It would depend on your pvoider |
| 08:13.54 | jesse | DeaLER34, I'm with serverbeach.. and in their history.. they have *never* charged someone a bandwidht overage |
| 08:13.59 | trogger | what's the fastest imap server? security doesn't matter. |
| 08:14.03 | jesse | DeaLER34, And I get 2000 gigaBYTE a month.. I've never worried about it. |
| 08:14.03 | DeaLER34 | we want to go dual t1 but I want them to go 3 mbit burstable to 10 |
| 08:14.16 | dondelelcaro | trogger: they're all fairly similar in speed, but some of them have very distinct disadvantages |
| 08:14.29 | jesse | dondelelcaro, mysqldump -A ? |
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| 08:14.38 | dondelelcaro | jesse: yerp |
| 08:14.39 | jm_ | daww: so dpkg --contents blabla|grep 9660 |
| 08:14.40 | DeaLER34 | well im up north in the boondocks and bell canada is a little expensive.. lookin at about 5000 a month for 5 mbit |
| 08:14.46 | DeaLER34 | 1000 per mbit over |
| 08:14.54 | jm_ | daww: or iso instead of 9660 (let me check how the module is actually named) |
| 08:15.01 | jesse | dondelelcaro, All of this because of a jhead binary that somehow got executed as root with a linux.osf.2729 or something virus i beleive. |
| 08:15.02 | daww | jm_, I just did that |
| 08:15.11 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you probably also want -a |
| 08:15.17 | dondelelcaro | jesse: heh |
| 08:15.21 | DeaLER34 | 6000 for 10 mbit sorry.. 3 thousand for 3 mbit |
| 08:15.22 | daww | jm_, hmm, nothing is being list =( |
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| 08:15.39 | DeaLER34 | canadian dollars |
| 08:15.41 | jm_ | daww: it's called isofs so grep for that |
| 08:15.45 | jesse | this is a sad sight going by my eye. |
| 08:15.50 | trogger | dondelelcaro: what' |
| 08:15.53 | dondelelcaro | jesse: yeah, then I'd just move away the /var/lib/mysql folder, and recreate it. |
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| 08:15.58 | simonrvn | 57 works. thanks |
| 08:16.00 | simonrvn | 2 |
| 08:16.05 | trogger | dondelelcaro: s your favourite? bearing in mind resource constrained device... avoiding mysql is good :) |
| 08:16.07 | simonrvn | ECHAN |
| 08:16.12 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I'll do that |
| 08:16.13 | dondelelcaro | trogger: I like dovecot |
| 08:16.19 | daww | jm_, ok, that exist "./lib/modules/2.6.82005-03-03/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.k" |
| 08:16.36 | Gumby | hrm, ok... now that I have got the nvidia module built, when I startx I get nothing but a black screen. I have to either ctrl+alt+fX out of it or ctrl+alt+bckspc. I do see a "failed to load GLX module, but even when I comment that out in XF86Config-4 I still get the error. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 08:16.39 | jm_ | daww: ok, the next logical step would be to boot that kernel and load the module and see how it goes |
| 08:16.42 | DeaLER34 | do any of you run a netenforcer on your network? |
| 08:17.01 | dondelelcaro | it has the advantage of having sane UID support that many other IMAP servers lack. However, it's a bit wierd, and still undergoing very rapid development. |
| 08:17.06 | daww | jm_, and how do I load the module? |
| 08:17.13 | jesse | dondelelcaro, alrigth.. moved old one.. made new one..set permissions anything special i have to do now? |
| 08:17.29 | jm_ | daww: well the kernel should be smart enough to do it - did you enable it in config? did you install module-init-tools? |
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| 08:17.47 | dondelelcaro | jesse: the only thing special you have to do is make sure that the debian-sys-maint user gets added, and that its password is the same as /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 08:17.48 | jm_ | daww: grep CONFIG_KMOD /boot/configblabla again |
| 08:18.04 | trogger | dondelelcaro: do you use a webmail server at all? if so, which do you prefer there? |
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| 08:18.23 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Could you tell me how to add it.. Or is there a way I can just tell debian to redo all the mysql stuff with dpkg or something? |
| 08:18.25 | dondelelcaro | trogger: no, I use offlineimap+mutt+dovecot+archivemail+procmail+emacs |
| 08:18.37 | trogger | dondelelcaro: aha. cheers. |
| 08:18.40 | dondelelcaro | jesse: you could just purge mysql-server and reinstall it |
| 08:18.41 | helix | your mail setup isn't complicated or anything :P |
| 08:19.02 | dondelelcaro | jesse: that's probably the simplist thing to do... just make sure you've backed up /var/lib/mysql before you do that |
| 08:19.07 | daww | jm_, "CONFIG_KMOD=y" |
| 08:19.18 | jm_ | daww: that's nice, so verify if module-init-tools is installed |
| 08:19.22 | Belping-- | can anyone recommend me a program to get the network statistics (like total up/download speed etc) |
| 08:19.29 | jesse | dondelelcaro, I did.. Is all the content in /var/lib/mysql worthless for me.. or Can I use it somehow? (the clients databases and what not) |
| 08:19.41 | mike | how do you make maildir's? |
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| 08:20.07 | dondelelcaro | jesse: well, you probably still can access them, but something funky has happened to the grant table which I really don't understand. |
| 08:20.24 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Yeah... |
| 08:20.24 | daww | jm_, I use Sarge, I got depmod version 2.4.26 |
| 08:20.29 | dondelelcaro | jesse: since what you've done should have enabled you to connect to it... most likely it's because of the downgrading. |
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| 08:20.37 | jesse | dondelelcaro, whats the default root password? |
| 08:20.41 | dondelelcaro | jesse: there isn't one |
| 08:20.48 | jm_ | daww: no wonder it doesn't work |
| 08:21.03 | jesse | dondelelcaro, alright.. it works..... can i ask you a few questions about mysql? |
| 08:21.04 | dondelelcaro | jesse: iirc, it prompts you for one... but I may be misremembering |
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| 08:21.12 | dondelelcaro | jesse: sure, but #mysql is better. |
| 08:21.18 | daww | jm_, 2.15 i'd mean |
| 08:21.43 | jesse | dondelelcaro, basically.. At one point someone told me about three commands I could type to add a new user and a database for that user and set their password.. since then I've forggten this and have a war with phpmyadmin every single time.. |
| 08:21.44 | TinoW | dondelelcaro: .-) |
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| 08:22.08 | jm_ | daww: install recent modutils and module-init-tools, they can coexist |
| 08:22.15 | dondelelcaro | jesse: GRANT INSERT, SELECT, UPDATE, YADA YADA KITCHEN SINK TO 'foouser@foohost' IDENTIFIED BY 'foopassword'; |
| 08:22.23 | dondelelcaro | jesse: that's it. |
| 08:22.38 | dondelelcaro | jesse: it's covered in the administration/users|passwords chapter of the mysql manual |
| 08:22.39 | daww | jm_, depmod -V gives me "depmod version 2.4.26" |
| 08:22.43 | jesse | dondelelcaro, for regular web stuff.. How many of those yada yada and blah blahs do they need... |
| 08:22.52 | dondelelcaro | jesse: depends on the user and what they're doing. |
| 08:22.54 | daww | jm_, depmod is module-init-tools, right? |
| 08:22.58 | jm_ | daww: ok, so install just module-init-tools then, show some adventurous spirit |
| 08:23.06 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Well. What's *safe* to give them? |
| 08:23.12 | dondelelcaro | jesse: basically, you grant as few permissions as you can grant and still have the user work. |
| 08:23.27 | daww | jm_, =), but it's allready installed |
| 08:23.43 | dondelelcaro | jesse: in most cases, they only need insert,select,update,delete; unless they're going to be creating tables or databases... but that's something you'll have to figure out. |
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| 08:23.53 | jesse | dondelelcaro, They will be. |
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| 08:24.03 | jesse | dondelelcaro, tables that is. |
| 08:24.24 | jm_ | daww: ok, so you seem to be all sorted |
| 08:24.42 | dondelelcaro | jesse: then you probably need whatever the right permision is to create tables, and to drop them, but probably no databsae or user creation permisions. |
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| 08:25.00 | daww | jm_, modutils is installed |
| 08:25.17 | daww | jm_, so how can I check the version of modutils? |
| 08:25.18 | jm_ | daww: yes, I know that by now :) |
| 08:25.35 | jm_ | daww: dpkg -s <packagename> - you need to read some docs |
| 08:26.04 | daww | jm_, I use Sarge 3.1 RC 2 so I think most of the programs are up to date |
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| 08:26.23 | jesse | dondelelcaro, Alright.. Thanks for everyhting.. I know *jack* about mysql..The guy that normally does this isn't going to be around for a week... |
| 08:26.44 | jm_ | daww: yes, they are |
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| 08:27.07 | dondelelcaro | jesse: np |
| 08:27.16 | daww | jm_, "dpkg -s kernel-image-2.6.82005-03-03_custom.1_i386.deb" or what? |
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| 08:28.25 | jm_ | daww: didn't you say you want to check the version of mdutils? |
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| 08:28.35 | Soltek | hi |
| 08:28.50 | Belping-- | what is debian sid? |
| 08:28.57 | daww | jm_, If I need to |
| 08:28.59 | Belping-- | does it come before woody? |
| 08:29.04 | Soltek | anyone can help me with ati radeon and GL setup? :) |
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| 08:29.34 | Sontek | Hey, I'm installing Sarge Netinst on a Sparc Ultra 5. During the installation I get a redscreen with the message: Running "/sbin/silo" failed with error code "1" what causes this? |
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| 08:30.35 | helix | Sontek: silo sucks |
| 08:30.36 | jm_ | daww: no, it's OK |
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| 08:30.53 | daww | jm_, what could be the next logical problem? |
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| 08:31.08 | daww | jm_, We can't be far from... |
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| 08:31.24 | Sontek | helix, That doesn't answer the question :P |
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| 08:31.40 | jm_ | daww: well just boot with it and get on irc |
| 08:31.49 | helix | Sontek: heh. what happens when you reboot it? I think I had that problem once and when I rebooted it was fine |
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| 08:32.39 | helix | hmm |
| 08:32.44 | helix | Sontek: which filesystem did you choose? |
| 08:32.58 | Sontek | helix, reiser |
| 08:33.06 | helix | why? |
| 08:33.09 | dondelelcaro | !reiser |
| 08:33.10 | dpkg | from memory, reiser is filed in my brain under "reiserfs". http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week19/0069.html |
| 08:33.11 | daww | jm_, you know what, I can't ;), the Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet support module is not finding my Intel PRO/1000 Desktop Adatpter RJ45 |
| 08:33.13 | dondelelcaro | !reiserfs |
| 08:33.13 | dpkg | [reiserfs] a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 08:33.46 | daww | jm_, but boot with the new kernel and borrow my friends computer next to me |
| 08:33.48 | Sontek | I've been using reiser in gentoo for about a year and haven't had any problems |
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| 08:33.59 | Sontek | so I figured i'd use it in debian |
| 08:34.08 | jm_ | daww: hmm you might try loading both of the modules (isofs and the one for your NIC) with modprobe and check logs for messages (or dmesg, it should do) |
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| 08:34.53 | jim | Sontek: it's your choice of course... but don't you think you ought to so some more research given this info? |
| 08:35.44 | maelcum | Sontek: The Sparc Improved Boot LOader ( SILO ), is the boot loader that is used in the SPARC architecture. It allows you to boot Linux, Solaris or SunOS. It can load a Linux kernel from ext2, iso9660, UFS or ROMFS. From the SILO's README |
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| 08:35.54 | helix | is maelcum a bot? |
| 08:35.57 | helix | oh |
| 08:35.59 | maelcum | nope |
| 08:36.09 | maelcum | i'm on ultrasparc too |
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| 08:36.13 | Haruko | !faq |
| 08:36.13 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 08:36.16 | Haruko | Thanks! |
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| 08:36.41 | jim | so reiser isn't a good choice for silo booting? |
| 08:36.42 | helix | anyway, Sontek, when I had that problem it was because I tried to use xfs which silo doesn't support or something |
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| 08:36.56 | helix | Sontek: so it couldn't install the bootloader or something equally insane; use ext3 |
| 08:37.11 | jim | yeah, grub doesn't support xfs either |
| 08:37.17 | helix | jim: are you serious?! |
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| 08:37.25 | helix | that's sorta crazy |
| 08:37.28 | helix | at least silo sucks |
| 08:37.31 | helix | what's grub's excuse? |
| 08:37.45 | bucky | grub sucks more |
| 08:37.45 | ambycrao | jm_, ok, daww here |
| 08:37.54 | Haruko | lol |
| 08:37.58 | jim | the d-i grub widget warned me away from xfs, so I changed /boot to ext2 |
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| 08:38.12 | ambycrao | jm_, not I've booted with the compiled kernel |
| 08:38.33 | jim | this was several days ago... so I guess it's a current problem |
| 08:38.40 | ircdevil | i have a problem with ttf. i need courier-new or some other monospaced ttf in galeon. i installed msttcorefonts, but they dont show up in galeon? |
| 08:38.43 | peterS | if anyone wants xfs support in grub or silo, you'll have to write it yourself |
| 08:38.52 | peterS | that's the disadvantage of boot loaders that know how to read filesystems (: |
| 08:38.57 | Haruko | Is there a guide to help Intermediate Windows users switch to debian? |
| 08:39.02 | d03boy | I just read a page that said the Broadcom 440x NIC doesnt work with the 2.6 kernel........ i'm really confused to which kernel I need and stuff......... /me bangs head |
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| 08:39.03 | jm_ | grub supports xfs |
| 08:39.25 | jim | jm_: then why did the widget warn me away from it? |
| 08:39.26 | jm_ | but there may be some limitations, so hence the warning |
| 08:39.30 | bucky | grub wouldn't boot my pII with an intel board |
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| 08:39.38 | helix | grub ate my babies |
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| 08:39.51 | kneet | normally babies eat grubs? |
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| 08:39.56 | ardy | Is there a program to test how much memory a program is consuming? |
| 08:40.07 | ircdevil | ardy: top |
| 08:40.09 | jim | ps? |
| 08:40.17 | peterS | ardy: 'ps x', pay attention to the RSS and VSZ columns |
| 08:40.19 | ambycrao | jm_, daww ask you: how can I then test if iso9660 fs works on the new kernel |
| 08:40.25 | mike | a grub bit off my foot once |
| 08:40.26 | jm_ | jim: you can't install it into MBR of the partition |
| 08:40.41 | jim | partitions don't have mbrs :) |
| 08:40.42 | ardy | ircdevil: top splits it up and if you have more programs than can be fit on the screen ... |
| 08:40.45 | jm_ | ambycrao: first try to mount the CD, see if module is loaded and check /proc/filesystems again |
| 08:40.49 | jim | they have boot sectors :) |
| 08:40.58 | jm_ | well first sector of the partition if you want to call it that |
| 08:41.13 | ircdevil | ardy: man top -> you can track whatever program running by pid, user, etc |
| 08:41.32 | jim | I mean, I -guess- you could call it that... but doing so would encourage confusing communication |
| 08:41.58 | jm_ | yes, it shouldn't really be called MBR |
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| 08:42.04 | maelcum | Sontek: have a look at http://ldp.rtin.bz/HOWTO/SPARC-HOWTO-17.html - www.sparc-boot.org seems down to me |
| 08:42.17 | ardy | peters: oh |
| 08:42.23 | jim | I guess that's an ibm terminology? |
| 08:42.27 | ardy | ircdevil: oh.. ok thanks |
| 08:42.33 | jm_ | no, it's jm_ terminology ;) |
| 08:43.06 | jim | you were the first to call the first sector of an entire driver the MBR?! |
| 08:43.13 | ircdevil | am stuck with this installing extra tt fonts. where to read? |
| 08:43.45 | ambycrao | jm_, ok, "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/hdc/" gives me "mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel" |
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| 08:43.46 | jm_ | probably not |
| 08:43.51 | jim | it' |
| 08:43.54 | jim | err |
| 08:43.55 | jm_ | ambycrao: so do the other thing I said |
| 08:44.25 | jim | it's a small issue as long as you make a small /boot partition |
| 08:44.25 | ambycrao | jm_, "cat /proc/filesystems" is not list iso9660 |
| 08:44.32 | Haruko | I am currently following this guide (http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l2/lesson2c.html) Im am stuck at deciding if I need the partions to be primary or logical drives I cant remember the difference :( |
| 08:44.40 | jm_ | ambycrao: then load it by hand and see what it says |
| 08:45.04 | ambycrao | jm_, how? |
| 08:45.07 | jim | you would format that partition according to what will work with the boot loader |
| 08:45.14 | ambycrao | jm_, ok I mean |
| 08:46.30 | ircdevil | dpkg factinfo bobfont |
| 08:46.30 | dpkg | bobfont -- created by debian <~mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk> at Sun Oct 26 06:41:43 2003 (494 days); it has been requested 25 times, last by ircdevil, 1m 10s ago. |
| 08:47.06 | ircdevil | bob2: ? |
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| 08:47.22 | ambycrao | jm_, load it in /proc/filesystem? iso9660 worked fine in the old kernel... |
| 08:47.30 | bob2 | ? |
| 08:47.44 | Steven_ | how can I check what configure options a package was built with ? |
| 08:47.58 | bucky | ambycrao, modprobe iso9660 |
| 08:47.58 | bob2 | Steven_: download the source package and read debian/rules |
| 08:48.14 | Steven_ | bob2 : is there an easier way ? :) |
| 08:48.15 | bob2 | ircdevil: I didn't create that... |
| 08:48.23 | bob2 | Steven_: how else could you find it out? |
| 08:48.37 | bob2 | debian/rules is a makefile, there's no automatic way to extract options out of it |
| 08:49.19 | jm_ | Steven_: some packages will mention it in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>, but there are very few of those |
| 08:49.31 | Steven_ | bob2 : I thought that there might be a site with that info |
| 08:49.32 | jm_ | some binaries will also have their own way of reporting this |
| 08:49.40 | Steven_ | bob2 : but apt-get source will do fine :) |
| 08:49.47 | ambycrao | bucky, "modprobe iso9660" gives "modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented (new line) modprobe: Can't locate module iso9660" |
| 08:49.51 | Steven_ | jm_ : thx |
| 08:50.01 | jm_ | ambycrao: so you don't have module-init-tools installed |
| 08:50.10 | bucky | ambycrao, did you build your own kernel? |
| 08:50.14 | ircdevil | can someone confirm that this stuff is neaded for ttf on woody: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 08:50.18 | ambycrao | bucky, yes |
| 08:50.19 | jm_ | ambycrao: and I told you that moduel is called isofs, not iso9660 |
| 08:50.24 | bucky | ic |
| 08:50.25 | jm_ | module |
| 08:50.39 | deadcat | bash doesnt seem to read my $HOSTFILE when i try to tab completion. |
| 08:50.54 | jim | why would it? |
| 08:51.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: that's more appropriate for Sarge |
| 08:51.30 | bob2 | ircdevil: that's only for sarge/sid |
| 08:51.37 | jm_ | ircdevil: /msg dpkg xf4 ttf |
| 08:51.38 | bob2 | ircdevil: since fontconfig et al didn't exist when woody released |
| 08:51.44 | ambycrao | jm_, "depmod -V" to check version of module-init-tools, right? |
| 08:51.46 | ircdevil | jm_ i think it is a aweful lot of hacking for something that should be more or less automagical |
| 08:51.48 | bob2 | ircdevil: (I didn't create the factoid, but I did write that txt file) |
| 08:52.08 | ircdevil | bob2: aaah :o) |
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| 08:52.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: it's simple, there was a decent guide under xf4 ttf, but it's no longer there |
| 08:52.20 | jetscreamer | how the hell do you turn off macromedia in mozilla |
| 08:52.45 | jetscreamer | about:config maybe |
| 08:53.32 | TinoW | jetscreamer: just disable the plugin |
| 08:53.33 | jm_ | there's an extension that mighe help you with this |
| 08:53.39 | ircdevil | bob2: so my problem with msttcorefonts not showing in galeon (woody) has nothing to do with the guide of yours? |
| 08:54.00 | jm_ | ircdevil: read the post to debian mailing list, that is what you need to do |
| 08:54.21 | bob2 | ircdevil: yes |
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| 08:54.29 | ambycrao | jm_, anyway, if I run "depmod -V" I get "depmod version 2.4.26 (new line) depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" Again! What is QM_MODULES, and how do I implement them? |
| 08:54.32 | bob2 | ircdevil: just make sure the dir they are in is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:54.40 | bob2 | !+qm_modules |
| 08:54.41 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 08:54.49 | bob2 | ambycrao: ^ |
| 08:54.54 | jm_ | ambycrao: I told you |
| 08:54.56 | bob2 | ircdevil: and that you ran mkttfdir etc |
| 08:55.06 | bob2 | god I'm glad I don't use woody anymore |
| 08:55.15 | zeeble | what do you use? |
| 08:55.20 | zeeble | ubu? |
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| 08:55.39 | bob2 | ubuntu hoary and sid |
| 08:55.59 | bob2 | so much less pain in the arse |
| 08:56.03 | zeeble | neat. i'll prolly put one of those on the laptop when i get a new disk. |
| 08:56.28 | bob2 | the advantage of ubuntu is that you install it and it boots into a useful desktop right away |
| 08:56.36 | bob2 | whereas with sarge I end up playing around too much |
| 08:56.39 | jetscreamer | why is there xpinstall.*.* at the bottom... |
| 08:56.41 | bucky | whois egads.ertius.org.. anyone in here? |
| 08:56.49 | bob2 | bucky: me |
| 08:56.58 | deadcat | bob2: which machine you talking about? |
| 08:57.03 | ircdevil | jm_ bob2 is this the post i should go by? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/11/msg01817.html |
| 08:57.06 | bob2 | deadcat: hrm? |
| 08:57.06 | bucky | thought that's what you said |
| 08:57.07 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes |
| 08:57.14 | ircdevil | good |
| 08:57.33 | jetscreamer | TinoW, where do i do that is the question though |
| 08:57.34 | deadcat | bob2: with ubuntu |
| 08:57.38 | d03boy | how can I figure out if the netinstall of debian sarge will allow me to use my broadcom nic or not? I think it has to be enabled in teh kernel... do I get a chance to config the kernel during the install? |
| 08:57.40 | jetscreamer | settings is greyed out |
| 08:57.42 | ncp | i want to change the colors of my terminal to something like gentoo, what should i look after on google? |
| 08:57.46 | bob2 | ircdevil: looks right to me too |
| 08:57.57 | bob2 | deadcat: it's on my laptop and desktop |
| 08:58.02 | deadcat | o |
| 08:58.12 | bucky | bob2, your /cgi-bin/test-cgi works |
| 08:58.15 | bob2 | d03boy: how could you "configure" the kernel at install time? |
| 08:58.20 | d03boy | i've got no idea |
| 08:58.24 | d03boy | that is why I asked |
| 08:58.40 | d03boy | i think the bcm4400 driver needs to be enabled though |
| 08:58.46 | bob2 | d03boy: if it's anything other than a tg3, it should work |
| 08:58.46 | jetscreamer | d03boy, no, you don't config the kernel exactly, but either discover runs, or you load modules... it autodetects pretty well... you need to find out about the kernel version it supplies, and if it supports your nic |
| 08:58.48 | bob2 | bucky: indeed |
| 08:58.49 | zeeble | d03boy is it a broadcom 440? |
| 08:58.55 | d03boy | yes |
| 08:59.04 | bucky | bob2, any relation to the grateful dead? |
| 08:59.07 | zeeble | d03boy yeah, it will work. |
| 08:59.11 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 08:59.17 | d03boy | ok |
| 08:59.17 | A-abc | i f i start an application at start-up like that..screen -A -m -d -S app ./app , how could i stop that fom bash, without stopping other applications started like that? |
| 08:59.30 | d03boy | had to make sure because I found a site that the guy says it didnt work |
| 08:59.54 | bob2 | bucky: it's my dad |
| 09:00.02 | bucky | lol |
| 09:00.09 | bob2 | ok, that's not actually true |
| 09:00.10 | zeeble | d03boy just select the driver. when it comes to the kernel config part, select your driver from the list of available modules. it is either called bcm440 or b4400 |
| 09:00.19 | bob2 | A-abc: half life server? |
| 09:00.28 | zeeble | d03boy just use one of the recent sarge build ISOs |
| 09:00.29 | bucky | bob2, well he's going to be on tv friday |
| 09:00.32 | d03boy | should be bcm440 |
| 09:00.35 | zeeble | d03boy or netinstall images |
| 09:00.38 | d03boy | zeeble, k, just gotta find one |
| 09:00.42 | bob2 | bucky: oh, I didn't even know he was still alive |
| 09:00.49 | jetscreamer | i know i spammed that link a lot |
| 09:00.49 | A-abc | bob2 : yeah :D |
| 09:01.05 | ambycrao | jm_, but get a version when I run depmod -V "depmod version 2.4.26" So module-init-tools is installed |
| 09:01.13 | A-abc | bob2: how did you know that? |
| 09:01.21 | Sontek | I think you guys were right about reiser. Its working so far :P |
| 09:01.30 | maelcum | nice :) |
| 09:01.34 | bob2 | A-abc: because only people trying to run half life servers jump through such pointless hoops |
| 09:01.41 | zeeble | haha |
| 09:01.56 | bob2 | there's some howto out there written by a monkey with no fingers |
| 09:02.04 | bob2 | which tells people to run the half life server in screen |
| 09:02.08 | d03boy | lol @ the hl server thing |
| 09:02.24 | d03boy | i installed a cs server using the screen thing on slack once :\ |
| 09:02.25 | bob2 | A-abc: why do people want to run it in screen instead of as a normal daemon? |
| 09:02.38 | d03boy | bob2, because thats what the directions say! |
| 09:02.41 | bob2 | but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? |
| 09:02.42 | A-abc | bob2: it doesn't work as a normal daemon |
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| 09:02.48 | bob2 | A-abc: why not? |
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| 09:03.05 | d03boy | if it crashes, it wont restart? |
| 09:03.11 | bob2 | zoof. |
| 09:03.22 | A-abc | bob2: it produces some errors..i 've some mods that i've just installed |
| 09:04.02 | A-abc | d03boy: please STF |
| 09:04.15 | d03boy | *stfu |
| 09:04.23 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:04.25 | A-abc | yeah, stfu, sry |
| 09:04.27 | A-abc | :P |
| 09:04.29 | bob2 | come on. |
| 09:04.30 | d03boy | lol |
| 09:04.51 | Haruko | Wow my first time installing Linux I think its going quite well |
| 09:05.11 | bob2 | A-abc: there's no easy way to do what you want |
| 09:05.16 | bob2 | A-abc: how often are you really stopping it? |
| 09:05.27 | A-abc | bob2: seldom actually |
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| 09:05.51 | A-abc | bob2: 1 or 2 times a year proably |
| 09:06.02 | A-abc | bob2: but i want to know how |
| 09:06.31 | A-abc | i've looked into man screen..but i didn't find out |
| 09:06.52 | bob2 | it has nothing to do with screen |
| 09:06.59 | Haruko | Is Woody the Stable build atm? |
| 09:07.05 | bob2 | Haruko: yes |
| 09:07.10 | Haruko | Thanks |
| 09:07.14 | bob2 | but it's also old and annoying if you're using a desktop |
| 09:07.24 | Haruko | Its just running on an old p2 |
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| 09:07.31 | Haruko | I want to experiment with it |
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| 09:07.48 | osric | How do I find out how hot my CPU is? |
| 09:07.49 | Haruko | Poke around :) didnt want to lose my windows box right away |
| 09:07.52 | A-abc | bob2: why it's that..if i have a command screend -A -..parameters to start it..it whould exist one to stop it.. |
| 09:08.00 | bob2 | A-abc: no |
| 09:08.01 | Penix | osric: set up lm-sensors |
| 09:08.06 | osric | Penix: Thansk |
| 09:08.07 | bob2 | A-abc: you're forgetting how unix works |
| 09:08.21 | bob2 | A-abc: you don't make every program do every possible thing |
| 09:08.37 | A-abc | hmm..so with other words, i sould use kill with that |
| 09:08.37 | deadcat | osric: touch it |
| 09:08.42 | bob2 | A-abc: yes |
| 09:08.52 | A-abc | bob2 : ok, thanks |
| 09:08.56 | osric | deadcat: My fingers arent' that sensitive :-) |
| 09:09.00 | bob2 | but running a daemon in screen is getting away from how every other program on unix works |
| 09:09.12 | deadcat | osric: with your dick (= |
| 09:09.57 | jm_ | ambycrao: sorry, I have some work to do now |
| 09:10.34 | bob2 | ambycrao: you installed it wrong then |
| 09:10.50 | bob2 | it should print: |
| 09:10.50 | bob2 | module-init-tools 3.1 |
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| 09:11.54 | Haruko | Hmm why does Debian make a more friendly installer, I mean I figured it out but most computer users I dont think would understand how to set it up? |
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| 09:12.18 | bob2 | most computer users couldn't figure out how to use it, even if they did set it up |
| 09:12.24 | bob2 | sarge has a better installer |
| 09:12.33 | bob2 | but installing is only half the problem |
| 09:12.37 | Haruko | Hah but isnt that the goal of Debian to try and get more users on it? |
| 09:12.45 | Haruko | And the other half is? |
| 09:13.00 | notPoncha | bob2, not true.. once you set everything up, average user will be ok from that point :) |
| 09:13.04 | helix | the goal of debian is to produce a free operating system |
| 09:13.06 | bob2 | the goal of Debian is to produce a technically excellent Free Operating System |
| 09:13.11 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:13.17 | bob2 | no one cares if anyone else uses it |
| 09:13.18 | Haruko | that was fast :P |
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| 09:13.24 | bob2 | as much as 1000 people have any single goal |
| 09:13.28 | helix | wait, the goal of debian is to package everything under the sun too! |
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| 09:13.32 | ncp | i want to change the colors of my terminal to something like gentoo, what should i look after on google? |
| 09:13.32 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:13.39 | bob2 | Haruko: *cough*roman latin*cough* |
| 09:13.42 | bob2 | er, helix |
| 09:13.49 | helix | word to perl in latin |
| 09:13.58 | deadcat | ncp: which part of the terminal? you mean the prompt? |
| 09:14.03 | notPoncha | ncp, colors of *terminal* or bash shell prompt? :) |
| 09:14.06 | TinoW | ncp: Gentoo is a color? |
| 09:14.15 | A-abc | the goal of debian is to make me loose my time |
| 09:14.15 | notPoncha | :)) |
| 09:14.20 | deadcat | TinoW: greenish (= |
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| 09:14.35 | TinoW | deadcat: black on black? ;) |
| 09:14.39 | zeeble | ew |
| 09:14.40 | deadcat | hahh |
| 09:14.41 | deadcat | shit |
| 09:15.01 | Haruko | Should make it like a windows xp installer :)> |
| 09:15.17 | bob2 | Haruko: ubuntu asks less questions than XP does |
| 09:15.21 | bob2 | so I assume sarge is about the same |
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| 09:15.22 | notPoncha | ncp, see privmsg :) |
| 09:15.24 | zeeble | Haruko you are the person do "makes it" if you can do it, good. |
| 09:15.26 | thesaboteur | the 2003 installer has nicer colors |
| 09:15.28 | resiak | Sarge is about the same. |
| 09:15.28 | d03boy | anyone know where I can find a netinstall of sarge? |
| 09:15.33 | resiak | !d-i d03boy |
| 09:15.36 | bob2 | d03boy: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 09:15.37 | dpkg | d03boy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:15.46 | Haruko | Hehe |
| 09:15.57 | d03boy | lol... thats the 4th time I've been given that msg toda |
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| 09:16.03 | resiak | d03boy: ...and? |
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| 09:16.13 | d03boy | ofcourse earlier I wasnt planning on getting the sarge installer |
| 09:17.06 | trogge1 | how do you tell exim to forward messages corresponding to ANY username to a particular user? |
| 09:17.29 | holycow | *hmmm* just reinstalled sarge fresh, volume is not responding to volume control, anyone know if theres something in flux right now and things are broken? |
| 09:17.30 | deadcat | trogge1: /etc/aliases |
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| 09:17.42 | bob2 | trogge1: @blah.com: foo |
| 09:17.55 | bob2 | trogge1: that may or may not work, it might require virtual magic |
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| 09:18.52 | trogge1 | bob2: thank you. |
| 09:19.01 | bob2 | oh, in /etc/aliases |
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| 09:19.31 | turkcan | . |
| 09:19.50 | Haruko | Man where do all these free projects get their bandwidth from Im sure it costs a bundle |
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| 09:20.06 | bob2 | Haruko: most get it donated |
| 09:20.09 | deadcat | Haruko: sf.net |
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| 09:20.20 | Haruko | haha good old sf :) |
| 09:20.49 | luctor | I installed phpbb2 and I have mysql-server4.1 installed but get this message. You need to have mysql-server installed if you want the MySQL |
| 09:20.55 | Haruko | Now If a testing build comes out into stable would it require a total reinstall of the new build or could I preform an upgrade? |
| 09:21.07 | bob2 | Haruko: upgrade, of course |
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| 09:21.32 | Haruko | kk :) thanks for answering all my questions Im sure you get these same ones all the time |
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| 09:21.43 | bob2 | luctor: that wasn't the error, please paste what it really said to #flood |
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| 09:22.05 | spf | what version of apache should I install? |
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| 09:22.14 | bob2 | whichever one you want |
| 09:22.17 | trogger | spf: what are you using it for? |
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| 09:22.25 | bob2 | apache.org don't really support 1.x anymore, tho |
| 09:22.27 | spf | just private website |
| 09:22.50 | trogger | does apache2 have better performance than apache1.3, esp. for php rendering? |
| 09:22.51 | spf | I heard there where some versions that could crash |
| 09:23.04 | spf | yea, with php |
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| 09:23.18 | bob2 | php makes anything crash |
| 09:23.33 | cg0def | is there anything special that I have to do so that custom kernels would boot? |
| 09:23.33 | Gumby | I am trying to build a module and I am getting an error that complains about a missing "/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h". I do however have a "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-k7/include/config/modversions.h". Have I missed a step with setting up my kernel-headers? |
| 09:23.36 | jim | cgi is usually slow, and is an old technology |
| 09:23.38 | spf | so, it's the php version I should look at? |
| 09:23.47 | bob2 | cg0def: why are you building it? |
| 09:23.54 | bob2 | spf: no, all php versions have crash bugs |
| 09:24.02 | bob2 | you just use whatever debian has and file a bug if it crashes |
| 09:24.07 | cg0def | because there is a probelem with the default one |
| 09:24.18 | bob2 | cg0def: what problem is that? |
| 09:24.28 | spf | all versions? hmm |
| 09:24.36 | jim | you could try aolserver, but it's very different and designed for serving web applications |
| 09:24.39 | cg0def | cpu freq scaling is set to performance rather than userspace and several other small things |
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| 09:25.29 | bob2 | cg0def: I'm pretty sure you can customise that |
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| 09:25.46 | TinoW | jim: AOLserver uses TCL... |
| 09:25.53 | resiak | cg0def: That's just the _default_ governor. If you're running cpufreqd it will change that. |
| 09:26.02 | bob2 | that's what I thought |
| 09:26.06 | jim | TinoW: yes, that's right |
| 09:26.19 | bob2 | (ew) |
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| 09:26.41 | cg0def | man there is no way that you can change kernel stuff unless you have access to it |
| 09:26.43 | jim | blows apache into the weeds performancewise |
| 09:26.48 | cg0def | and you do not for cpu freq |
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| 09:26.55 | cg0def | I've tried that already |
| 09:26.57 | TinoW | jim: not in every case |
| 09:27.02 | cg0def | it stays stuck at full speed |
| 09:27.09 | MorphDK | Hey.. I once found a guide on how to setup Debian as a "Anti-Spam Relay Server".. Anyone know where to find it again? |
| 09:27.09 | resiak | cg0def: Trust me, it works. |
| 09:27.36 | TinoW | MorphDK: this should be default config for every MTA |
| 09:27.38 | trogger | what's the fastest way of getting php scripts served on a debian box? I'm using apache, and I'm not particularly impressed with its performance. |
| 09:27.39 | resiak | cg0def: No sane kernel dev would require a recompile to switch something like that. |
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| 09:27.57 | Haruko | hehe KDE reminds me of windows |
| 09:27.58 | TinoW | trogger: just dont use PHP if you want performance |
| 09:28.07 | cg0def | resiak: have you ever used that feature? |
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| 09:28.10 | TinoW | trogger: and/or enable heavy caching |
| 09:28.10 | jim | TinoW: apache is good at serving static pages |
| 09:28.12 | resiak | cg0def: Right now. |
| 09:28.18 | trogger | TinoW: any suggestion for a webmail client without php ?? |
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| 09:28.34 | resiak | cg0def: I have a self-rolled kernel, but I left that particular section of the config well alone, since I don't understand it. |
| 09:28.37 | jim | webmail client? |
| 09:28.41 | cg0def | ok well I can't switch freq at all on an amd64 with asus notebook |
| 09:28.45 | trogger | jim: server |
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| 09:28.53 | resiak | cg0def: At least, I don't understand it well enough to change things. But the CPU frequency scaling works perfectly. |
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| 09:28.57 | TinoW | trogger: webmail? I doubt PHP is the performance problem here |
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| 09:29.09 | jetscreamer | hey what's the thing to build from source and roll a .deb? |
| 09:29.11 | trogger | TinoW: seems to be - it's a quite slow machine |
| 09:29.18 | jetscreamer | i don't mean build a kernel but a part of gnome |
| 09:29.22 | trogger | TinoW: I'm pretty confident it's not the imap server. |
| 09:29.32 | TinoW | trogger: how "does it seem" ? Did you actually measure? |
| 09:29.33 | jim | jetscreamer: that's called a "debian developer" :) |
| 09:29.35 | cg0def | resiak: well anyway how did you compile the kernel so that it boots |
| 09:29.49 | jetscreamer | jim yeah but there's a program to do that isn't there |
| 09:29.53 | jetscreamer | i forgot the name |
| 09:30.00 | trogger | TinoW: this is a fair comment. I did informal tests with an imap client on my machine as opposed to the server, imap seems quick. |
| 09:30.00 | bob2 | cg0def: the powernowd init script loads the userspace module and configures the kernel to use it |
| 09:30.05 | bob2 | you don't need to recompile |
| 09:30.07 | resiak | cg0def: With make-kpkg, following the instructions in teh |
| 09:30.11 | resiak | cg0def: With make-kpkg, following the instructions in the Debian Reference. |
| 09:30.42 | trogger | TinoW: also, a tiny php application with imap runs well, just slower clients like squirrelmail really suck. |
| 09:30.54 | jim | jetscreamer: never heard of that, but that doesn't mean it doesnt' exist... see, different programs have different packaging requirements |
| 09:30.56 | cg0def | resiak: I did use make-kpkg with 2.6.11 but it crashes with some error so I had to do manual make |
| 09:31.07 | jim | jetscreamer: there's debhelper |
| 09:31.09 | cg0def | then make-kpkg works |
| 09:31.12 | TinoW | trogger: there are projects like dbmail which put the mail data into relational database - this is faster to access via web frontend, there also must be perl and whatever webmail scripts |
| 09:31.22 | jetscreamer | thankee jim |
| 09:31.22 | bob2 | cg0def: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 09:31.32 | jim | but it's not an autopackager, it's a lot of tiny helper apps |
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| 09:31.59 | trogger | TinoW: hmmm. |
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| 09:32.23 | jim | there might be a webmail for openacs, but not sure if it's ready |
| 09:32.27 | jetscreamer | well when i build it it goes in /usr/local/bin/ ... it's gnome-media. i know that's where locally built stuff goes, but will it matter to gnome? |
| 09:32.55 | cg0def | bob2: is says performance (just like it should) |
| 09:33.21 | bob2 | cg0def: cool. if you want to use a different one, echo it into that file. |
| 09:33.31 | jim | jetscreamer: official debian packages meant to be distributed by debian are not allowed to touch /usr/local/ |
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| 09:35.02 | jetscreamer | yeah.. i know that one, but that's not exactly what i mean... more like i don't know wtf i'm doing and just wondering if building gnome-media and the rest of gnome coming from apt-get will work and play well together |
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| 09:35.14 | rixth | Can anyone tell me where the Samba logs are? |
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| 09:35.24 | jetscreamer | i know about apt-build, i think |
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| 09:35.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.43 | jim | in the samba fireplace! |
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| 09:35.52 | kensuke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.55 | kensuke | *samba |
| 09:36.04 | rixth | I thought that'd be the logical choice, but they aren't there |
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| 09:36.24 | kensuke | mine are ... :-) ? |
| 09:36.26 | cg0def | bob2: so how would I set this to change on demand? |
| 09:36.32 | Haruko | Hmm... it keeps chuging along :) |
| 09:36.38 | Haruko | Im so happy my first linux install! |
| 09:36.39 | rixth | For some reason, I can't connect to my XP machine now, either file sharing or printing. Cups fails with NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL |
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| 09:36.52 | jetscreamer | nt loves you |
| 09:36.52 | rixth | How ever, if I go network:/// I see the other machine listed |
| 09:36.55 | bob2 | cg0def: what do you mean? it's a text file, you just "echo blah > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" to it |
| 09:37.06 | kensuke | rixth .... sounds windowsy ... :-) |
| 09:37.09 | bob2 | cg0def: tho the powernowd/cpufreqd scripts do that already |
| 09:37.19 | bob2 | rixth: samba is the server side |
| 09:37.22 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Haruko |
| 09:37.23 | dpkg | Huzzah Haruko, you did it! |
| 09:37.33 | jetscreamer | !beer Haruko |
| 09:37.43 | jetscreamer | that aint beer |
| 09:37.46 | cg0def | bob2: ok but the thing is that the scripts seem not to work on my computer for some reason |
| 09:38.04 | bob2 | cg0def: then debug that instead of immediately reaching for the tactical nuke of recompiling your kernel |
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| 09:38.17 | rixth | I can't think why it would just stop working like that though |
| 09:38.17 | Haruko | Wait quick question I selected X Window System in that one script.. the one in the installer forgot it did it install KDE because I see it grabing parts of KDE from the ftp like KDE base and what not? |
| 09:38.31 | cg0def | bob2: that's not why I was recompiling the kernel |
| 09:38.41 | jetscreamer | it's getting what it needs |
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| 09:38.50 | bob2 | 19:24:40 cg0def | cpu freq scaling is set to performance rather than userspace and several other small things |
| 09:38.54 | cg0def | bob2: by setting the variable to userspace you can manually change the frequency |
| 09:38.57 | jetscreamer | don't sweat it |
| 09:39.02 | Haruko | kk |
| 09:39.03 | bob2 | right... |
| 09:39.12 | Haruko | Im reading up more faqs so much information! |
| 09:39.21 | resiak | bob2: I'd give up if I were you. I've just confirmed that it all works perfectly with a stock kernel. |
| 09:39.39 | luctor | bob2: that was what the phpbb2-conf-mysql package came up with, |
| 09:39.48 | jetscreamer | Haruko, modprobe mousedev is a commonly needed cure for x-wont-start woes |
| 09:40.20 | Haruko | for USB mouse? |
| 09:40.30 | Haruko | Thats the first google hit that came to me :0 |
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| 09:41.10 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/ |
| 09:41.12 | sdlinuxgeek-work | Hello everyone what is the fastest way to change home directory for /dev/hdb1 |
| 09:41.16 | rixth | Oh, duh, sharing is working as the other machines IP has changed. Duh. |
| 09:41.21 | jetscreamer | for? or to? |
| 09:41.57 | jetscreamer | in fstab, tell it to mount /dev/hdb1 as /home |
| 09:42.00 | Haruko | Your channel ahs a very nice faq :) |
| 09:42.07 | jetscreamer | cp -a first |
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| 09:42.44 | sdlinuxgeek-work | jetscreamer thanks, all done and added.. |
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| 09:42.57 | valdyn | sdlinuxgeek: first get your terminology right, what do you want to do? Make /home be on /dev/hdb1? Or mount /dev/hdb1 somewhere else? |
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| 09:43.46 | jetscreamer | mount the hd somewhere else and cp -a /home /mnt/hdb1/ then mount it as home |
| 09:44.39 | lnielsen | I have an apt question; I have an Athlon64 computer. How do I make apt select amd64 packages where avaliable, and ordinarry x86 packages otherwise? |
| 09:44.49 | kikinovak | Hi. Is there some app to automagically check a PCs integrity, like memtest86 does for RAM, but like a bootable CD? Sort of Linux equivalent for WinBench? |
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| 09:44.52 | d03boy | 96% |
| 09:44.54 | valdyn | lnielsen: you cant do that |
| 09:45.02 | bob2 | lnielsen: you can't |
| 09:45.06 | d03boy | i hope i can find a rewritable cd :\ |
| 09:45.08 | bob2 | lnielsen: you run one architecture |
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| 09:45.54 | valdyn | lnielsen: read that amd64 howto, "multiarch" does not exist ( yet ): http://users.idf.de/~fs/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 09:45.57 | bob2 | can someone 'dig ertius.org soa' and give me the serial number? |
| 09:46.22 | kneet | 2005030103 |
| 09:46.32 | luctor | bob2: I dont find any error messages from the phpbb install, but I thought that mysq-server4.1 and mysql-server didnt both have to be isntalled for it to work |
| 09:46.38 | bob2 | kneet: thanks |
| 09:46.42 | kneet | np |
| 09:47.08 | resiak | !tell lnielsen about amd64 |
| 09:47.18 | kneet | bob2, nice to do something for one of the guys that has had to answer lots of odd questions from me over time .-) |
| 09:47.22 | Haruko | maybe !amd64? |
| 09:47.26 | Haruko | !amd64 |
| 09:47.27 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 09:47.27 | bob2 | kneet: heh :-) |
| 09:47.49 | valdyn | kikinovak: not really, but compiling your kernel does that job pretty good |
| 09:47.58 | valdyn | kikinovak: not really, but compiling a kernel does that job pretty good |
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| 09:48.14 | Haruko | lol |
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| 09:48.20 | kikinovak | valdyn thanks |
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| 09:49.31 | Zrin | hi. in aptitude - why are all packages automatically markes as being held at current version? |
| 09:49.54 | bob2 | it does weird shit like that |
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| 09:50.33 | lnielsen | OK, thank you. Does anyone know when multiarch will be enabled? |
| 09:50.40 | bob2 | a while |
| 09:50.42 | bob2 | not before sarge |
| 09:50.57 | valdyn | lnielsen: one guy is working on it as his masters thesis or somesuch |
| 09:51.04 | valdyn | lnielsen: and hes planning 1 year for that |
| 09:51.17 | resiak | Nice thesis! |
| 09:51.19 | rixth | Egah. Now CUPS gives me NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. Joy. |
| 09:51.20 | bob2 | Tollef? |
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| 09:51.34 | lnielsen | weel it sounds like it will be done right at least :) |
| 09:51.37 | rixth | vncviewer |
| 09:51.45 | DelEat_ | hi all |
| 09:51.53 | valdyn | lnielsen: xcdroast was something like that too, and it sucked always ) |
| 09:52.07 | directhex|work | i dunno. my degree thesis sucked :) |
| 09:52.22 | DelEat_ | I want the 'quota' command to be run (and later parsed) when I log on to a specific server (bash), how do I do that?? |
| 09:52.27 | bob2 | lnielsen: tho, even now, almost everything for i386 is built for amd64, too |
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| 09:52.35 | bob2 | about the only thing I can think of is OpenOffice |
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| 09:52.45 | bob2 | but that's an upstream problem |
| 09:52.51 | valdyn | lnielsen: actually xcdroast was a "Diplomarbeit" |
| 09:52.55 | bob2 | DelEat_: echo quota >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 09:53.33 | bob2 | haha |
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| 09:53.38 | bob2 | sweep! |
| 09:53.51 | Haruko | Slashdot doing their own ads now? |
| 09:53.52 | DelEat_ | bob2: thanx |
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| 09:54.53 | valdyn | bob2: "problem" is that much amd64 stuff just performs horribly bad compared to i386 compiled things |
| 09:55.25 | TinoW | resiak: sox |
| 09:55.28 | spamhog | valdyn: where's the problem? poor compilers? |
| 09:56.05 | resiak | TinoW, bob2: I'm investigating. |
| 09:56.06 | valdyn | spamhog: inline assembly for i386 using extensions like sse2 vs C code on amd64 |
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| 09:56.29 | rixth | I need a program to stress test my CPU, used to use Prime95 but *cough*Windows |
| 09:56.40 | valdyn | spamhog: 128 bit code vs 64 bit code, amd64 looses ) |
| 09:57.08 | bob2 | valdyn: like what? |
| 09:57.14 | nolf | which ones the better mta "sendmail or qmail" |
| 09:57.20 | resiak | TinoW: That really wasn't the kind of thing I was looking for. |
| 09:57.22 | resiak | !better |
| 09:57.22 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 09:57.23 | streuner | !better |
| 09:57.23 | bob2 | every benchmark and anecdote I've heard has amd64 spanking i386 |
| 09:57.24 | valdyn | bob2: video codecs |
| 09:57.38 | streuner | !lart resiak for beating me |
| 09:57.38 | bob2 | nolf: anything is better than sendmail |
| 09:57.42 | Haruko | arg |
| 09:57.46 | Haruko | Im stuck :-\ |
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| 09:57.49 | Gumby | any ivtv users in here? I am trying to build the ivtv module and I am getting an error that complains about a missing "/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h". I do however have a "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-k7/include/config/modversions.h". Have I missed a step with setting up my kernel-headers? |
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| 09:58.04 | bob2 | valdyn: ffmpeg seems plenty fast for me |
| 09:58.10 | ircdevil | i dont get it. i still dont get msttcorefonts in galeon ? |
| 09:58.17 | Haruko | Its asking me to configure locaes how to I select them? |
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| 09:58.27 | bob2 | ircdevil: is the dir they are in listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as a FontPath? |
| 09:58.32 | resiak | bob2: It's not a multitracker. |
| 09:58.41 | bob2 | resiak: hm |
| 09:58.44 | nolf | k let me put this way which ones the more practically employed one... |
| 09:58.55 | spamhog | valdyn: sheesh... seems a pretty basic block missing... |
| 09:58.57 | TinoW | resiak: well, it has no widgets at all ;) |
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| 09:59.04 | bob2 | nolf: postfix and exim are more popular than either |
| 09:59.16 | resiak | TinoW: I suppose it fitted the requirement for "no non-standard widgets" :) |
| 09:59.20 | bob2 | nolf: if you have to choose one of those, sendmail is the lesser of two evils, but you need to know what you're doing |
| 09:59.22 | valdyn | bob2: sure its "fast enough", i don't know about ffmpeg specifically |
| 09:59.41 | ircdevil | bob2: yes |
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| 09:59.47 | spamhog | Haruko: what language do you use? J or english or? |
| 09:59.47 | bob2 | valdyn: does it actually come out slower than contemporary i386? |
| 09:59.59 | nolf | bob2: thnx for the update |
| 10:00.08 | valdyn | bob2: divx does, ffmpeg, no idea |
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| 10:00.10 | Haruko | spam> English |
| 10:00.11 | drac | Gumby: If I remember correctly, ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-k7 /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/build |
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| 10:00.22 | spamhog | if it |
| 10:00.30 | Haruko | if? |
| 10:00.34 | ircdevil | bob2 when i start galeon it sas in terminal: font /usr/share/fonts/truetype/courier_new.ttf 1258 glyphs -> i guess that is good |
| 10:00.37 | Haruko | Sorry Im a total newb |
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| 10:00.46 | bob2 | ircdevil: does "xfontsel" show the font? |
| 10:00.54 | bob2 | ircdevil: are you really using the galeon from woody? |
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| 10:01.40 | cromd | greetings all ... i don't want a "fix" for this, just want to know if it's possible: Is there a Debian solution to taking audio-tapes of my church's sermons and convert them to CDs to burn for the old dears who can't make it, then convert them to MP3s for their website? |
| 10:01.42 | spamhog | Haruko: if it's just a matter of selecting, "C" is OK, defaults to English, may later ask u if u want UK or US dictionary (ate u in the installer or where?) |
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| 10:02.05 | Haruko | Yea it just downloaded the security updates and the packages I asked it to install |
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| 10:02.17 | jetscreamer | oh no it's woody |
| 10:02.21 | bob2 | cromd: sure...record fro myour soundcard line in |
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| 10:02.26 | benh | hello all. |
| 10:02.34 | Haruko | and my cat decided to hit the power switch so now its checking the drives because of an unclean dismount ^.^ |
| 10:02.35 | cromd | you'll keep jetscreamer :) |
| 10:02.39 | ircdevil | bob2 i dont think so (playing with xfontsel for the first time) |
| 10:02.57 | ircdevil | bob2 but the font is not in the gnome utility font selector widget |
| 10:02.57 | spamhog | Haruko: Newb, for lack of a better word, is Good. |
| 10:03.05 | Haruko | lol |
| 10:03.09 | Haruko | Thanks :) |
| 10:03.11 | cromd | bob2, so there's recording, converting and burning software for Debian? (i don't usually run desktops) |
| 10:03.19 | benh | is there any easy way to replicate one server to another with out removing drives? |
| 10:03.32 | jetscreamer | cromd, yeah lots |
| 10:03.38 | spamhog | Haruko: poor neko - didn't get electrocuted, I hope! |
| 10:03.47 | jetscreamer | see also marillat |
| 10:03.51 | Haruko | No only hit the power button |
| 10:03.53 | cromd | thanks jetscreamer, any good lit. you'd reccomend? |
| 10:04.08 | Haruko | oh snaps.... |
| 10:04.28 | jetscreamer | tldp.org is my stock answer when i don't know anything... |
| 10:04.39 | jetscreamer | make me look very wise |
| 10:04.46 | cromd | i suppose i asked for that jetscreamer :) |
| 10:04.47 | cromd | LOL |
| 10:04.59 | jetscreamer | !tell cromd about marillat |
| 10:05.07 | jetscreamer | much a/v stuff |
| 10:05.23 | cromd | thanking thee jetscreamer, greatly indeed |
| 10:05.25 | valdyn | benh: boot something like knoppix on the target server and copy stuff over, that gets everything but the mbr |
| 10:05.34 | ircdevil | bob2 i do notice i dont have a /etc/X11/fs dir. only /etc/X11/fs-xtt |
| 10:05.38 | Haruko | :( |
| 10:05.45 | Haruko | Its redownloading the updates :( |
| 10:05.46 | cromd | i just can't stand seeing charities spend good money on evil corporations :) |
| 10:05.56 | Haruko | Im sad |
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| 10:06.48 | jetscreamer | it's only re-d/l'ing what got fuxored in the powerloss, if it was written to disk cleanly it shouldnt be re-d/l'ing |
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| 10:07.15 | bob2 | ircdevil: ignore both of those |
| 10:07.23 | bob2 | ircdevil: add the dir to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:07.24 | Haruko | Hmm but it was reasking me to run that one script the one where it has prebuilt packages for me to select from |
| 10:07.28 | bob2 | font servers are a waste of time |
| 10:07.34 | Haruko | I selected no although because I finished downloading them :-\ |
| 10:07.36 | spamhog | Haruko: apt-get gets messed up if it crashes during unpacking/installing, but it's pretty solid if comp crashes during download - what was it doing when your cas saw it fit to interrupt? |
| 10:07.49 | ircdevil | bob2 i did |
| 10:07.55 | Haruko | It was asking me what my locale was |
| 10:08.20 | Haruko | I was trying to figure out how to select en_US somthing cant remember atm |
| 10:08.30 | Haruko | UTF8 |
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| 10:08.33 | Haruko | I think it was |
| 10:08.53 | Haruko | Yes it was that is the char set for US isnt it? |
| 10:08.57 | Sontek | How do I tell ssh to start on boot? |
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| 10:09.07 | bob2 | ircdevil: how about "xlsfonts | grep -i courier"? |
| 10:09.12 | bob2 | Sontek: it already starts by default |
| 10:09.33 | spamhog | Haruko: I think it was the charset too, AFAIK it should not be a problem if it restarsts |
| 10:09.51 | Haruko | Hmm looks like another 20min download normal for a clean install? |
| 10:10.07 | ircdevil | bob2 shows only the adobe and bitstream couriers. no courier-new |
| 10:10.21 | jetscreamer | Sontek, rename /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 10:10.21 | Haruko | I mean the first download grabed everything I asked it to like X window Server File Server and Web Server |
| 10:10.29 | Sontek | bob2, Well, what does debian use for startup items? I've been using gentoo and I did rc-update add blah default |
| 10:11.01 | bob2 | Sontek: sysv init |
| 10:11.09 | Haruko | this one just seems to be grabing updates from ftp.us.debian.org stable/main looks like fonts and other apps such as telnet time (clock?) |
| 10:11.10 | bob2 | Sontek: and every installed daemon runs by default if it's installed |
| 10:11.18 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 10:12.26 | Haruko | So... where is everyone from? |
| 10:12.32 | jetscreamer | Haruko, is this a server? |
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| 10:12.57 | Haruko | No, but I would like to be able to throw up some test pages on it like I use to do in W2k3 with IIS this is apache no? |
| 10:13.22 | Haruko | and maybe store a few files, if I can get the hang of it i have a HP netserver sitting out from that was given to me as a gift that would be my new file server |
| 10:13.26 | jetscreamer | you might want to consider cancelling the d/l and changing to sarge... your decision. |
| 10:13.27 | d03boy | installing sarge... hope this scratched, smudged, crap cdr pulls through |
| 10:13.33 | cromd | thanks for your tips bob2, jetscreamer |
| 10:13.48 | cromd | fare the well good peoples |
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| 10:13.50 | Haruko | Sarge is? testing build or expermiental? |
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| 10:14.06 | Haruko | forgive my spelling product of Hawaii Public education :) |
| 10:14.09 | d03boy | testing |
| 10:14.11 | jetscreamer | it says testing, but you'd probably be happier with it as a desktop |
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| 10:14.36 | spamhog | Haruko: sarge=testing (ALMOST stable), woody=stable (very! but a bit old) |
| 10:14.37 | Haruko | Meh I just want something to give a first spin around in something other than windows that might be useful later on... |
| 10:14.47 | jetscreamer | woody is very very very old |
| 10:15.04 | jetscreamer | for a desktop |
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| 10:15.08 | jetscreamer | it rocks as a server |
| 10:15.22 | spamhog | Haruko: go sarge! |
| 10:15.25 | Haruko | Meh nothing mission critical |
| 10:15.35 | Haruko | Well ok how would I upgrade to sarge download iso's again? |
| 10:15.36 | jetscreamer | then you probably want sarge |
| 10:15.45 | Haruko | or can I use get to pickup a package? |
| 10:15.49 | gary | How do i reconfigure x. When i try to do it using dpkg it never writes the configuration file as it should. I'm having a lot of problems with my mouse, as i installed a 2.6 kernel and now it doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions ? |
| 10:15.57 | jetscreamer | how about if you hit ctrl c and change to sarge and not reinstall |
| 10:16.08 | ircdevil | !lart ttf |
| 10:16.09 | gary | I've also tried manually editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:16.14 | jetscreamer | gary have you ev... yes you have |
| 10:16.22 | jetscreamer | gary read line 17 of it |
| 10:16.30 | gary | of the config file? |
| 10:16.32 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 10:16.39 | jetscreamer | look for md5sum |
| 10:16.41 | spamhog | Haruko: if you have a good connection, just use the net-install, don't bother with full ISO images |
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| 10:16.55 | Haruko | canceled the retry whats next? |
| 10:16.56 | gary | i found md5sum |
| 10:17.05 | Haruko | Yea this pulls aright I will just leave it on overnight |
| 10:17.08 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 10:17.25 | jetscreamer | Haruko, all you have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change stable or woody to sarge and do apt-get update |
| 10:17.29 | elephantman | What is the best tool on debian to detect available WLAN networks ? |
| 10:17.31 | jetscreamer | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:17.34 | gary | jetscreamer: what was the point in that? |
| 10:17.50 | DelEat_ | bob2: back with the .bash_profile quota thing |
| 10:17.53 | jetscreamer | gary you have to do the command it tells you to do to update the md5sum |
| 10:17.54 | Haruko | lol You dont realise how far over my head you went :) |
| 10:17.54 | elephantman | Is there a tool to scan unprotected networks ? |
| 10:18.06 | jetscreamer | before dpkg-reconfigure will work |
| 10:18.09 | gary | I just want to fix my mouse. I have done, insmod mousedev, and set the mouse device as /dev/input/mice and tried /dev/psaux but niether work |
| 10:18.13 | DelEat_ | bob2: I'm grepping for "*", and if it's there, the line is printed |
| 10:18.14 | gary | i'll do that command then |
| 10:18.24 | DelEat_ | bob2: (* = quota exceeded) |
| 10:18.27 | spamhog | elephantman: nmap |
| 10:18.31 | jetscreamer | it tells you al lthat |
| 10:18.32 | bob2 | elephantman: netsaint, nmap |
| 10:18.39 | jetscreamer | Haruko, it's very easy to do |
| 10:18.39 | spamhog | elephantman: behave! |
| 10:18.41 | bob2 | DelEat_: so make it work on the command line first |
| 10:18.46 | Haruko | ok Im in the directory |
| 10:18.53 | bob2 | DelEat_: hint: quota | grep \* |
| 10:19.01 | DelEat_ | bob2: how do I check the "grep-boolean" (if it's positive and prints, then I want to echo a text line |
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| 10:19.12 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:19.16 | d03boy | it actually detected my eth card, wonderful |
| 10:19.17 | gary | jetscreamer: cool, i'll try playing again and doing the md5sum command |
| 10:19.26 | DelEat_ | bob2: or: quota | grep "*" |
| 10:19.32 | Haruko | do I need to give it the full path even if im at the file atm? |
| 10:19.34 | bob2 | DelEat_: hint: quota | grep \* > /dev/null && echo "quote exceeded" |
| 10:19.52 | jetscreamer | Haruko, no |
| 10:19.58 | gary | hmm |
| 10:20.00 | Haruko | ok Im in the editor |
| 10:20.07 | Haruko | change stable to testing? |
| 10:20.08 | DelEat_ | bob2: but won't it output "quota exceeded" no matter what, then? |
| 10:20.09 | elephantman | spamhog: shure - its just for information |
| 10:20.09 | gary | ./dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice don't work at all for me |
| 10:20.20 | DelEat_ | the && just requires it to finish, right? |
| 10:20.20 | jetscreamer | Haruko, to sarge |
| 10:20.21 | bob2 | DelEat_: grep returns 0 to the shell if it matched, 1 if it did not |
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| 10:20.26 | Haruko | nano is notepad? :P |
| 10:20.26 | bob2 | DelEat_: er, ||, not && |
| 10:20.37 | DelEat_ | bob2: thanks, what I needed |
| 10:20.40 | bob2 | DelEat_: no, it requires it to finish and return true |
| 10:20.41 | tcp|p | how would I go about troubleshooting why my soundcard isnt recognized by debian? |
| 10:20.48 | tcp|p | it's a sound blaster audigy |
| 10:20.56 | jetscreamer | Haruko, and comment out the security one, the sarge line is a little different |
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| 10:21.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.37 | Sontek | If I want to run my sparc without a keyboard/monitor and just shell in what all do I have to do? |
| 10:21.39 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 10:21.40 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 10:21.45 | gary | Does anyone know if mousedev is the correct module required for ps2 mice in 2.6 ? |
| 10:21.49 | Haruko | Ok |
| 10:21.55 | jetscreamer | you need mousedev and psmouns |
| 10:22.00 | gary | hmm |
| 10:22.03 | gary | ill try inserting that |
| 10:22.04 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to exit and save |
| 10:22.04 | Haruko | Im sorry delete the #? |
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| 10:22.14 | gary | i don't have that driver anywhere |
| 10:22.14 | samer | hi |
| 10:22.15 | jetscreamer | no, put a # infront of the security one |
| 10:22.20 | gary | jetscreamer: says it can't find it |
| 10:22.23 | bob2 | Sontek: have ssh running |
| 10:22.23 | Haruko | There is already one there? |
| 10:22.23 | jetscreamer | gary, 2.4? |
| 10:22.27 | samer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.29 | gary | 2.6 |
| 10:22.30 | jetscreamer | oh ok nm |
| 10:22.34 | Haruko | wait |
| 10:22.35 | samer | any one can solve this plz |
| 10:22.36 | jetscreamer | you should have one gary |
| 10:22.39 | drac | Is there ready package for small TCP daemon, only job it would have is to display banner and disconnect after it. |
| 10:22.43 | gary | my mouse was fine in 2.4, but 2.6 just doesn't work at all |
| 10:22.45 | DelEat_ | bob2: quota | grep \* > /dev/null || echo "CHECK QUOTA!" |
| 10:22.46 | Haruko | there is also for a non-free contra |
| 10:22.48 | ircdevil | bob2: hah! the "xset fp rehash" didnt do what i thought. a restart of x fixed the font problem. (but somehow courier new still looks ugly. A's are not symmetrical) |
| 10:22.49 | bob2 | samer: time to install shorewall |
| 10:22.52 | DelEat_ | bob2: returns positive every time |
| 10:23.00 | jetscreamer | non-free contrib at the ends is ok |
| 10:23.01 | bob2 | ircdevil: right, rehash doesn't look at new paths |
| 10:23.11 | jetscreamer | jsut change the woody or stable words |
| 10:23.21 | bob2 | ircdevil: X core font rendering often looks like ass |
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| 10:23.30 | Haruko | its not allowing me to over wright |
| 10:23.30 | ircdevil | bob2 what can i do? |
| 10:23.35 | Haruko | write* |
| 10:23.39 | nagual | write |
| 10:23.45 | calamari | anyone know which package has this library? libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 Thanks :) |
| 10:23.49 | bob2 | ircdevil: use sarge |
| 10:23.56 | jetscreamer | did you do this as root, Haruko |
| 10:23.57 | nagual | calamari: apt-cache search / apt-file search |
| 10:23.57 | bob2 | calamari: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 10:23.57 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 10:23.59 | samer | shorewall? |
| 10:24.01 | ircdevil | bob2: wwsr? :o) |
| 10:24.09 | Haruko | Meh nm it went |
| 10:24.13 | bob2 | ircdevil: hm? |
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| 10:24.16 | Haruko | I pressed to exit |
| 10:24.18 | Haruko | then to files |
| 10:24.22 | jetscreamer | ok now do apt-get update Haruko |
| 10:24.25 | Haruko | wait wait |
| 10:24.27 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 10:24.31 | ircdevil | !wwsr |
| 10:24.32 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 10:24.37 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:24.39 | Haruko | Could not open file or writing permission denied |
| 10:24.39 | edward_ | how can I check the nat table on my linux box |
| 10:24.42 | Haruko | Im not in root though |
| 10:24.46 | Haruko | Im in my account that I made |
| 10:24.51 | Haruko | I should be root no? :-\ |
| 10:24.52 | bob2 | edward_: iptables -L -v -t nat |
| 10:24.54 | DelEat_ | bob2: it echos no matter the output of grep... |
| 10:24.56 | jetscreamer | Haruko, you need to be root... type su |
| 10:25.00 | Haruko | yes |
| 10:25.15 | toukitsune | does anyone know what swf_play is? It was running on my system as 2 instances and I wasnt even playing swfs and I never started it and it was takeing up almost 100% of my CPU |
| 10:25.18 | ircdevil | bob2: why should sarge render better than woody? |
| 10:25.20 | DelEat_ | bob2: I guess it should be && |
| 10:25.23 | Sontek | bob2: I unplugged monitor/keyboard and booted it up and then tried to ssh in and I couldn't |
| 10:25.26 | jetscreamer | shockwave flash |
| 10:25.28 | bob2 | DelEat_: maybe I mean && |
| 10:25.29 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 10:25.29 | bob2 | I'm tired |
| 10:25.30 | Sontek | bob2, So I ran a ipscan and its not there |
| 10:25.34 | DelEat_ | bob2: ;-) |
| 10:25.39 | bob2 | Sontek: I have no idea what ipscan is |
| 10:25.40 | DelEat_ | bob2: got it working now - thanks |
| 10:25.42 | calamari | bob2: thanks |
| 10:25.45 | samer | <bob2> can you solve my problem |
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| 10:25.51 | bob2 | Sontek: if you installed ssh on the sparc, then you have sshd running |
| 10:25.54 | edward_ | bob2, 58815 3519K MASQUERADE all -- any eth0 192.168.10.0/24 anywher |
| 10:25.58 | bob2 | Sontek: maybe you setup a firewall and forgot |
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| 10:26.06 | bob2 | edward_: I don't know why you're telling me that |
| 10:26.08 | Haruko | ok hold up brb |
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| 10:26.13 | Haruko | need to scroll up :) |
| 10:26.14 | jetscreamer | Sontek, was there an /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run ? |
| 10:26.23 | toukitsune | but why would swf_play be running and I cannot even kill it when I didnt even start it in the first place |
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| 10:26.28 | bob2 | ircdevil: everything uses fontconfig with freetype, so it does AA goodness |
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| 10:26.33 | jetscreamer | Haruko, /lastlog <nick> |
| 10:26.37 | DelEat_ | bob2: is it possible to include an 'else' statement that correlates with &&?? |
| 10:26.37 | fabietto | Hi at all. Someone can suggest me a good bluetooth manager for kde? |
| 10:26.44 | bob2 | ircdevil: this requires fontconfig and gtk2/qt3, ie gnome2/kde3 level stuff |
| 10:26.54 | DelEat_ | bob2: or do I need to do it properly with if? |
| 10:26.58 | edward_ | bob2, well.. I want to know how many packets my box can handle... |
| 10:27.08 | bob2 | edward_: oh, right |
| 10:27.10 | edward_ | bob2, So can you tell me how I can check thats... ? |
| 10:27.24 | ircdevil | bob2: i see. thanks |
| 10:27.26 | DelEat_ | edward_: disk wise or number wise? |
| 10:27.34 | edward_ | number wise... |
| 10:27.43 | edward_ | DelEat_, disk howcome disk... ? |
| 10:27.55 | jaro | How can I obtain image of an entire disk device? Or better just a root filesystem (including owners, access rigts, symlinks)? |
| 10:28.00 | bob2 | edward_: I dunno |
| 10:28.08 | bob2 | edward_: I know there's some way to get it, maybe iftop? |
| 10:28.19 | jetscreamer | jaro, you mean make an image? dd |
| 10:28.21 | bob2 | DelEat_: I thin kyou need an if |
| 10:28.31 | Haruko | haha I knew it was because I wasnt root :P |
| 10:28.35 | samer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.36 | bob2 | DelEat_: unless adding a ' || blah ' to the end works |
| 10:28.43 | Haruko | actually the first time I used linux I was using Gentoo |
| 10:28.43 | bob2 | samer: install shorewall |
| 10:28.45 | jetscreamer | k apt-get update Haruko |
| 10:28.55 | Haruko | Tryed a stage 3 install or was it 1 |
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| 10:29.01 | Haruko | either was it was compile it all again |
| 10:29.08 | Haruko | lol |
| 10:29.11 | samer | and ??? what next |
| 10:29.11 | jaro | jetscreamer: oh, thx. I just haven't been able to remember the name ;) |
| 10:29.15 | Haruko | took for ever I said forget it |
| 10:29.21 | bob2 | samer: and read the instructions |
| 10:29.23 | Haruko | ok its updating |
| 10:29.33 | Haruko | gives me back to my command prompt |
| 10:29.42 | jetscreamer | then do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:29.46 | Sontek | bob2, I think its just booting up to the "OK" prompt and sitting there.. or does it only do that when keyboard is plugged in? |
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| 10:30.00 | DelEat_ | edward_: my bad - thought you wrote packages not packets |
| 10:30.00 | jetscreamer | oh solaris |
| 10:30.02 | bob2 | Sontek: it's possible your hardware insists on having a keyboard |
| 10:30.03 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 10:30.05 | bob2 | my indy does |
| 10:30.24 | edward_ | DelEat_, ah.. ok.. tnx |
| 10:30.25 | Sontek | bob2, its an ultra5 |
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| 10:30.32 | Haruko | Ok going now |
| 10:30.35 | bob2 | Sontek: ok, I have no idea |
| 10:30.42 | thesaboteur | I think most slowlaris boxes require a keyboard |
| 10:30.42 | bob2 | I've never even seen one of them |
| 10:30.48 | bob2 | Sontek: #sparc might know |
| 10:30.48 | DelEat_ | bob2: I think || works as an else statement |
| 10:30.52 | Haruko | Thanks for all your help jetscreamer I know what its like to have to help newbies :( thanks for your time though! |
| 10:31.00 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 10:31.19 | Haruko | 6mins left |
| 10:31.23 | jetscreamer | Haruko, remember to /msg dpkg xwontstart if x wont start |
| 10:31.32 | Haruko | Ok |
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| 10:31.52 | jetscreamer | and you should upgrade your kernel too |
| 10:31.52 | edward_ | 430K 29M MASQUERADE all -- any eth1 anywhere anywhere |
| 10:31.57 | jetscreamer | know thy initrd |
| 10:32.05 | bob2 | edward_: please stop pasting crap |
| 10:32.08 | Haruko | what command would I need to run? |
| 10:32.42 | bob2 | edward_: try netstat -M |
| 10:32.47 | Haruko | lol |
| 10:32.53 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 (or 2.6 your choice) and apt-get install one ... add module-init-tools if it's a 2.6 you choose |
| 10:33.05 | Haruko | But wouldnt netstat -n give you outgoing connections with their host names? :P |
| 10:33.25 | jetscreamer | Haruko, man aptitude also |
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| 10:33.37 | jetscreamer | you might need to apt-get install aptitude also |
| 10:33.41 | holycow | how do i check if i have gl acceleration? blender seems to work, but neverball doesn't ... any other tests i can try? |
| 10:33.50 | jetscreamer | glxgears |
| 10:33.52 | Gathond | holycow: glxinfo |
| 10:33.56 | holycow | oh! |
| 10:33.59 | holycow | thx! |
| 10:34.09 | jaro | apropo, is there any simple way how I can mark routed packet for later recognition and classification by 'tc' (qos on external interface)? I'm especially curious about source ip based classification. |
| 10:34.13 | edward_ | bob2, no support for that... on that system |
| 10:34.24 | bob2 | edward_: ok! |
| 10:34.25 | Haruko | jet> so man aptitude then apt-get install aptitude? |
| 10:34.33 | sml | jaro: man iptables. look at mangle table. |
| 10:34.36 | jetscreamer | other way around Haruko |
| 10:34.41 | Haruko | ahh ok |
| 10:34.57 | jetscreamer | won't work, no manpage till you install it |
| 10:35.07 | Haruko | hehe thats what I figured |
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| 10:36.53 | samer | if i install a new linux and i still had my bzimage on my cd and my lib can i replace them and all run normally |
| 10:37.10 | EvanCarroll | samer: probably not |
| 10:37.21 | EvanCarroll | samer: almost definintly, infact. |
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| 10:37.27 | bob2 | eh? |
| 10:37.27 | Haruko | Hmm |
| 10:37.34 | bob2 | if it's a monolithic kernel, it will work fine |
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| 10:37.40 | jaro | sml: well. So I have to work with iptables after all. Problem is, that I use standard script ipmasq which I'm not able to understand well (a lot of confusing rules). I tried firehol but somehow, final results were differing from my intentions :-/ |
| 10:37.42 | Haruko | Asking me what interface shoudl be used for configuring packages Can I use KDE? |
| 10:38.00 | jetscreamer | what are the choices |
| 10:38.02 | jm_ | Haruko: a stupid choice |
| 10:38.04 | Haruko | or should I stick with Dialog |
| 10:38.11 | jetscreamer | ah. yes dialog |
| 10:38.15 | EvanCarroll | samer: Your modules would still be linked to the symbols in the other kernel, in addition you might not have ALL of the libs the kernel wants, and you might have libs that rely on the kernel build your replacing |
| 10:38.18 | samer | what's the diffrence compiling a kernel with modules and without modules and did modules load automatically ? |
| 10:38.18 | Haruko | Dialog, readline, gnome, kde, editor, noninteractive |
| 10:38.25 | TinoW | jaro: just google on "NAT iptables" |
| 10:38.51 | jetscreamer | dialog is good imo, ymmv |
| 10:38.51 | Haruko | lol I should pick criticial for config debconf because Im newbie correct? |
| 10:39.00 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 10:39.10 | Haruko | Im a newbie I believe the installer |
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| 10:39.27 | A-abc | i want that when i select some text in bash, that text should go to buffer (irc-style), and when i right-click in bash, that text should be pasted..how can i do that? |
| 10:39.32 | EvanCarroll | samer: modules are chunks of the kernel that are loaded on demand, so they are portable, and proprietary modules can be made availble without having the HW manufacture to make your kernel, the setback is modules require additional time to load |
| 10:39.48 | jaro | TinoW: ok :-) I did a lot, but I'm still a beginner in the networking suff and it takes me quite a long time to understand these things well enough. |
| 10:39.49 | jetscreamer | A-abc, you mean like screen does? |
| 10:40.02 | A-abc | something like that.. |
| 10:40.03 | EvanCarroll | samer: and if you *bake* the modules in, (build into the kernel) you don't have the option of rmmoding them, which is occasionally usefull |
| 10:40.22 | samer | aha |
| 10:40.37 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: is console equal to x-term? |
| 10:40.45 | inc|freaky | im drinking some beer and its 11:41AM ;D |
| 10:40.53 | jetscreamer | freaky |
| 10:40.55 | inc|freaky | sup? |
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| 10:40.58 | Haruko | Its 12:40am here where are you? |
| 10:41.03 | inc|freaky | germany |
| 10:41.04 | jetscreamer | no i was making a comment on your beer |
| 10:41.16 | jetscreamer | very punny eh |
| 10:41.16 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : i don't know..it only says Terminal..how can i find that? |
| 10:41.16 | inc|freaky | jetscreamer: ah, awkay ;p |
| 10:41.19 | Haruko | You are 23 hours ahead of me? |
| 10:41.34 | inc|freaky | i aint no alcoholic just bored like hell and nothing to do - no school, nothing to work and my system is running :) |
| 10:41.43 | A-abc | jetscreamer: it's this possible? |
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| 10:41.45 | Haruko | I have school in 5 hours... |
| 10:41.48 | inc|freaky | Haruko: seems like oO |
| 10:41.49 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: type echo $TERM |
| 10:41.53 | Haruko | lame I want to get this going though... |
| 10:41.57 | inc|freaky | Haruko: where r u from? |
| 10:42.02 | Haruko | Hawaii here :P |
| 10:42.07 | inc|freaky | kewl ^^ |
| 10:42.08 | Haruko | Are you sure its AM? |
| 10:42.16 | inc|freaky | yea, 11:43 AM |
| 10:42.20 | inc|freaky | CET |
| 10:42.22 | Haruko | lol |
| 10:42.24 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : echo $TERM -> xterm |
| 10:42.25 | Haruko | Nm :P |
| 10:42.30 | Haruko | Thats right :P wtf am I thinking |
| 10:42.38 | Haruko | Im thinking 11am = night :P |
| 10:42.42 | Haruko | Its too late lol |
| 10:42.44 | inc|freaky | heh ;p |
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| 10:43.03 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: type 'man xterm', what your asking is almost avaialbe now just highlight the text left mouse click for copy hit middle mouse button for paste |
| 10:43.20 | Haruko | man Im going to be so wasted tomorrow |
| 10:43.26 | Haruko | I mean today.... |
| 10:43.32 | EvanCarroll | Haruko: ... wow fascinating thanks for sharing |
| 10:43.37 | Haruko | lol sorry :) |
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| 10:43.55 | inc|freaky | heh ;p |
| 10:44.03 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : thanks man, you saved my day :) |
| 10:44.49 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: Thats what im here for, clad in a superman leotard saving days |
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| 10:45.13 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : because i've hundreds of copy-paste operations for today.. |
| 10:45.16 | kneet | EvanCarroll, could say - thanks for sharing ;-) |
| 10:45.29 | Haruko | lol, burn :) |
| 10:45.29 | EvanCarroll | kneet: hahaha! i deserve that. |
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| 10:45.43 | EvanCarroll | yes, nice show of wit kneet |
| 10:45.55 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: learn perl. |
| 10:45.59 | Haruko | Ever Played Tontie? |
| 10:46.31 | Zrin | in aptitude - why are all packages automatically markes as being held at current version? |
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| 10:46.35 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : it's not something that could be made automatically..that's the problem.. |
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| 10:47.21 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: ,,, as i have learned, *anything* that involves copy and paste can be helped with some form of automation |
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| 10:48.02 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: Perl can modify the copy paste buffers in 1 line of code, if nothing else it can manage that for you |
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| 10:48.22 | qwertz | Hi! Is there another possibility to add a user to a group than usermod ( don't want to specifiy all groups everytime)? |
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| 10:49.02 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : it involves sql database, but you gave me a good idea..maybe i could do something with php |
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| 10:49.15 | inc|freaky | damn im so bored :\ |
| 10:49.20 | sdogi | anyone, what's wrong with this line? find /tmp/ -atime +7 -exec /bin/rm -rf {} |
| 10:49.29 | inc|freaky | (no, i dont wanna fix bugs ;p) |
| 10:49.29 | sdogi | inc|freaky: then solve my problem :) |
| 10:49.34 | sdogi | lol |
| 10:49.35 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: perl can access databases as well fyi. |
| 10:49.44 | inc|freaky | sdogi: no idea, sry :\ |
| 10:49.51 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: you need a \; at the end |
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| 10:50.01 | resiak | EvanCarroll: Could you point me at a doc mentioning the altering the paste buffers? I don't have time to read them now, but I'm very interested. |
| 10:50.04 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: i do? heh, thanks |
| 10:50.14 | sdogi | nah |
| 10:50.14 | cahoot | qwertz: can use vigr |
| 10:50.19 | sdogi | it didn't work |
| 10:50.30 | sdogi | ahh it did |
| 10:50.35 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: ... you miss typed '\;' thats skill |
| 10:50.40 | inc|freaky | ill listen to some music and watch ppl talking |
| 10:50.40 | sdogi | didn't put space |
| 10:50.42 | inc|freaky | oin here |
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| 10:50.59 | EvanCarroll | resiak: i sure can, hold one sec |
| 10:51.07 | Haruko | wow its done |
| 10:51.12 | samer | how can i compile my kernel 2.4.27. on debian like mandrake ??????? |
| 10:51.17 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: when did this come in? i have like tons of scripts where there isn't \; |
| 10:51.19 | resiak | EvanCarroll: ta. |
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| 10:51.42 | sdogi | actually i saw ; in manual and i tried that too, but i didn't know i had to escape that ; |
| 10:51.52 | Haruko | jet you still here? |
| 10:52.19 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : ok, fine man, you convinced me, i'll learn perl.. |
| 10:52.25 | sdogi | lol |
| 10:52.27 | sdogi | wtf |
| 10:52.34 | sdogi | yeah perl is nice |
| 10:52.48 | qwertz | cahoot, thanks that's it! |
| 10:52.52 | Haruko | Hmm |
| 10:52.57 | sdogi | get used to man perl and perldoc -f function or perldoc Something::Something |
| 10:53.16 | Haruko | Im grabbing KDE to install think I could run it overnight and wake up the in morning to finish the setup or will it get antsy? |
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| 10:53.43 | samer | what's the difference between debian and slackware ? |
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| 10:53.56 | resiak | EvanCarroll: I'm heading out. Make sure you highlight me when you find the appropriate perldoc to hand me :) |
| 10:54.02 | resiak | EvanCarroll: Thanks in advance. |
| 10:54.08 | sdogi | samer: well, slackware needs yuo do a lot of stuff manually |
| 10:54.09 | Haruko | Well Im going to gamble with it night everyone! thanks for all your help man! |
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| 10:54.31 | sdogi | samer: slackware is great learning tool actually, i would have never learned scripting without it i think |
| 10:54.56 | samer | :p |
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| 10:55.12 | A-abc | samer: my first linux was a slack , now i am on debian; i'm evolving :P |
| 10:55.16 | Overand | how do a get a list of directories only? |
| 10:55.20 | sml | my first linux was slack. |
| 10:55.23 | sml | Overand: find -type d |
| 10:55.27 | Overand | thanks |
| 10:55.29 | A-abc | sml: sry |
| 10:55.32 | Overand | i always, always forget that |
| 10:55.43 | sml | that was back in 1996 |
| 10:55.44 | samer | and why all now debian ???????? |
| 10:55.44 | kikinovak | Hi. Is there some app to check the integrity of 1) CPU 2) Motherboard 3) HardDrive? |
| 10:56.00 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
| 10:56.00 | A-abc | sml: not a native speaker, i make some mistakes |
| 10:56.00 | sml | samer: because debian is hte best distribution. everyone sometime sooner or later see's the light. |
| 10:56.10 | sml | A-abc: dont worry about that :) |
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| 10:56.24 | samer | hte? ?? |
| 10:56.29 | jim | Overand: better read man page of find... the posted solution is a syntax error |
| 10:56.31 | thesaboteur | sml: the path to enlightenment is through debian? ;) |
| 10:56.31 | Overand | sml: i wouldn't say 'it's the best' becuase that's largely subjective. it's certainly the best for me for almost everything i do |
| 10:56.33 | sml | kikinovak: There are but I dont remember the name I'm afraid. |
| 10:56.34 | kikinovak | samer the |
| 10:56.44 | Overand | jim: yeah, i noticed =] |
| 10:56.47 | sml | Overand: I would say its the best IMHO. |
| 10:56.48 | kikinovak | sml bit like memtest86 for RAM, ya see? |
| 10:57.03 | sml | kikinovak: In fact memtest86 was exactly what i was trying to remember! |
| 10:57.22 | fabietto | I've got some problems with kbluetooth. When i try to launch kbluetoothd i get this error message: "ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting." During the kernel boot i get a similar error, but without any consequence... |
| 10:57.31 | sml | kikinovak: but you are looking for a hardware testing suite kind of thing ? |
| 10:57.33 | kikinovak | sml now how would you google for that? |
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| 10:57.38 | kikinovak | sml yes |
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| 10:58.24 | sml | jim: find . -type d |
| 10:58.31 | sdogi | samer: anyway, when it comes to handling like 10 slackware servers then it's a lot of scripting, specially when there are very alternative configurations |
| 10:58.31 | sdogi | samer: so debian is much better in that case, but debians stable seems to be well behind from slackwares |
| 10:58.31 | sdogi | samer: actually ask something specific |
| 10:58.31 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: you don't happen to know if i need to escape ; in crontab too? |
| 10:58.31 | Ulti | sml: can u help me again with my 3com nic ? |
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| 10:58.42 | sml | Ulti: What's wrong with it now ? |
| 10:58.50 | Ulti | hehe |
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| 10:59.03 | samer | aha |
| 10:59.06 | jim | sml: yep :) |
| 10:59.08 | EvanCarroll | sdogi your problem was related to the {} there is another way of doing it, i believe you can do '{}' and it will work fine too |
| 10:59.10 | Ulti | sml: when i try to insmo 3c509 i get an wierd error |
| 10:59.17 | sml | Ulti: what is the error ? |
| 10:59.31 | pro | hey guys, im tring to dpkg -i a package, and i get this.... dpkg: error processing nvu_0.70-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 10:59.31 | Ulti | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_Rdae0a346 |
| 10:59.31 | Ulti | hakkelaar:~# insmod isapnp |
| 10:59.32 | pro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.40 | Ulti | sml: Using /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o |
| 10:59.50 | petemc | Ulti: use modprobe |
| 10:59.53 | pro | im sure there was an argument to tell it to overwrite the one with the other? |
| 11:00.05 | Ulti | sml: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_Rdae0a346 |
| 11:00.06 | sml | Ulti: like petemc said |
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| 11:00.32 | sml | Ulti: did you compile those modules from your current kernel source or from another ? |
| 11:00.45 | sml | Ulti: did you enable kernel version compatability ? |
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| 11:00.59 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: your problem was related to the {} there is another way of doing it, i believe you can do '{}' and it will work fine too |
| 11:00.59 | sdogi | argh, my cat pulled out the cat cable |
| 11:01.02 | samer | any one use mikrotik ?? |
| 11:01.05 | Ulti | sml: how do i do that |
| 11:01.15 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: i'll try it out |
| 11:01.18 | Ulti | sml: they came with the defaul install |
| 11:01.36 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: doesn't |
| 11:01.43 | uraclea_laptop | sdogi: just watch out for the mouse pulling out your mouse |
| 11:01.47 | sdogi | was like everybodys first linux slackware?, lol |
| 11:01.47 | sevenoak | i have installed the 2.6.10 kernel with CIFS as module, but without POSIX and XATRE |
| 11:01.59 | sdogi | uraclea_laptop: it's a good think i have a touchpad :D |
| 11:02.04 | samer | cifs ??? |
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| 11:02.09 | inc|freaky | im using 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 11:02.12 | sml | Ulti: oh ok. you didn't compile your own kernel? well in that case just modprobe the module. |
| 11:02.19 | Ulti | sml: nope |
| 11:02.20 | sevenoak | yes, CONFIG_CIFS=m |
| 11:02.28 | Ulti | oke |
| 11:02.33 | sevenoak | the smb successor |
| 11:02.39 | sevenoak | smbfs |
| 11:02.41 | samer | aha |
| 11:02.46 | sml | Ulti: coz it has a dependency on another module. |
| 11:02.52 | sml | Ulti: and modprobe will load them all :) |
| 11:03.00 | Ulti | aha oke |
| 11:03.03 | sml | Ulti: otherwise you have to load them using insmod in the right order :) |
| 11:03.15 | fusion | Anyone know how to have proftp use md5 passwords from an SQL database? I have the sql part all set up but I dont know how to tell it the passwords are in md5 format.... I've looked in the docs and asked in #proftpd but nobody seems to be awake |
| 11:03.21 | sevenoak | i am missing the POSIX AND XATTR options, can i enable them without building my own kernel? |
| 11:03.27 | sdogi | irssi should also slow down the text when there are like 3 lines already, i think ksirc did it, was pretty cool |
| 11:03.32 | uraclea_laptop | modprobe loads named modules with all dependencies, insmod loads named module only |
| 11:03.37 | Ulti | sml: oke then i'll just modprobe it :D |
| 11:03.39 | samer | hey any one know how to make a pppoe server ? |
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| 11:03.52 | sml | uraclea_laptop: there is an echo ? |
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| 11:04.07 | uraclea_laptop | echo.... |
| 11:04.09 | uraclea_laptop | yup |
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| 11:04.33 | Ulti | sml: or is there a way to find out wich modules it depents on |
| 11:04.48 | uraclea_laptop | sry, switching between channels, didnt see your timely response |
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| 11:05.01 | EvanCarroll | stupid screen took a shit on me |
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| 11:06.42 | skip_ | apologies for this dumb question...how do I get the KLaptop applet on the panel? |
| 11:07.00 | sdogi | double click on the panel |
| 11:07.08 | sdogi | st |
| 11:07.11 | sdogi | right click |
| 11:07.40 | skip_ | sdogi: can't find the applet, but it is installed |
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| 11:08.43 | sdogi | maby ask #kde |
| 11:08.48 | sdogi | don't know |
| 11:08.56 | skip_ | sdogi: already tried that, thanks anyway |
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| 11:10.54 | Nem[Laptop] | er, what's this new resolvconf thing? where do I put nameservers now??? |
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| 11:11.28 | sdogi | ahh, always wanted to ask, when i want to know which programs use swap what command should i use? ps aux really shows memory usage, doesn't really show swap or does it? |
| 11:11.38 | sdogi | Nem[Laptop]: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:11.47 | samer | in debian compiling kernel like slackware ? or different ? |
| 11:11.50 | bob2 | sdogi: don't think it's possible to work out |
| 11:11.56 | bob2 | samer: you can do it that way if you like |
| 11:11.59 | Nem[Laptop] | sdogi: i usually use 'top' |
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| 11:12.11 | samer | or ??? |
| 11:12.17 | Nem[Laptop] | sdogi: but there was some debconf message saying not to use /etc/resolv.conf now... |
| 11:12.17 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: by my understanding swap can only be used after the program exhausts ram, and it can have no knowledge of the fact its using swap |
| 11:12.19 | sdogi | Nem[Laptop]: but it doesn't show which programs consume swap |
| 11:12.31 | bob2 | EvanCarroll: the program won't know |
| 11:12.40 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: can't be true |
| 11:12.42 | bob2 | EvanCarroll: he/she's wondering if the kernel does, and how to find out |
| 11:12.43 | Nem[Laptop] | sdogi: and the top of /etc/resolv.conf says (in caps, no less), not to use this file anymore. |
| 11:12.45 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: swap should be abstracted at a low level right above the kernel, and way before any programs |
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| 11:12.58 | bob2 | sdogi: applications have no idea if they're swapped in or out |
| 11:13.02 | bob2 | and shouldn't |
| 11:13.08 | bob2 | Nem[Laptop]: just purge resolvconf |
| 11:13.10 | samer | <bob2> is there another way to compile kernel in debian |
| 11:13.10 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: use 'top' to determine swap useage |
| 11:13.11 | bob2 | it's crack anyway |
| 11:13.14 | sdogi | but shouldn't they show up at least with memory usage ? |
| 11:13.16 | bob2 | samer: yes, /msg dpkg kp |
| 11:13.45 | bob2 | sdogi: also, it's not that defined |
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| 11:13.50 | bob2 | pages could be in swap, or just thrown out |
| 11:13.54 | Gathond | EvanCarroll: the program does not know, but it might have parts of it swapped out independently of the ammount of free memory in the machine (mostly if it have not been accessed for some time) |
| 11:13.57 | samer | is it new ? or only in debian |
| 11:13.58 | sdogi | yeah i know how much swap is consumes i was just wondering if it's possible to detect which programs are using, i actually even know but the funny thing is that ps aux %MEM line shows that those programs don't take anything |
| 11:14.07 | bob2 | samer: it's just for Debian |
| 11:14.17 | sdogi | s/is/it/ |
| 11:14.23 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: yes top will tell you a programs memmory useage, and swap useage, so will just running df on the swap parition however i think the problem will be finding what program is using how much of swap, i guess you could deduce the majority of what you need to now with top if you were determined |
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| 11:15.20 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: that's the problem, finding programs which use swap, i can't determine it |
| 11:15.38 | mono | i am trying to view php4 on my apache. for some reason after apt-get install php4, libapache-mod-php4 and php4-common i still can't view php4 documents. i get the option to save them. does anyone know what i am missing? |
| 11:15.46 | sdogi | i actually know which ones are, because there are few programs running and i have tried to kill some down and made my observatsions |
| 11:15.52 | sdogi | but thought that maby there is a better way |
| 11:15.52 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: im not sure its possible, another guru can buz in and correct me though |
| 11:16.19 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: should ask #kernel hehe :) |
| 11:16.25 | thesaboteur | mono: need to edit your .htaccess file most likely, ask in #apache |
| 11:16.36 | bob2 | mono: did you read the README? |
| 11:16.44 | mono | bob2, which one? |
| 11:16.56 | bob2 | mono: the php4 README.Debian. |
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| 11:17.00 | A-abc | i've 512Kbits fiber optical connections from the same provider and two debian servers, and one network; it's possible that i sum up my 2 bandwidths? (2x512=1Mb channel) |
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| 11:17.08 | mono | bob2, nope:( |
| 11:17.13 | sdogi | A-abc: not exacly like that |
| 11:17.13 | A-abc | 512-> 2*512 |
| 11:17.17 | sml | mono: you need to add a line to your apache config file to tell it what files to recognise as php files |
| 11:17.20 | bob2 | mono: then go do so |
| 11:17.22 | sdogi | A-abc: but load balacing is possible yes |
| 11:17.30 | sdogi | A-abc: check out iproute2 stuff, it's really cool |
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| 11:17.41 | bob2 | A-abc: if you want a 1024kbit/s pipe, you need your isp to do "channel bonding" |
| 11:17.48 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can access a windows computer in the same lan? |
| 11:17.53 | Belping-- | do i need samba for that? |
| 11:17.57 | sml | mono AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps |
| 11:17.58 | bob2 | A-abc: another option is "equal cost multi path routing", where alternate connections go on different pipes |
| 11:18.08 | bob2 | Belping--: nope |
| 11:18.17 | sml | mono: AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3 .html |
| 11:18.30 | sdogi | A-abc: been messing with those for some months now, one linux server two adsl connections, dirty, but well it was cheap :) |
| 11:18.34 | sep | A-abc: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html ,, or realy easy with shorewall |
| 11:18.46 | thesaboteur | AddType application/x-filter-ext-php .php |
| 11:18.48 | Belping-- | bob2: do i need any special programs for it then? or are they included in the debian install? |
| 11:18.49 | nanok | Belping--: smbclient |
| 11:19.01 | A-abc | bob2: if my ISP does channel bonding; it's more expensive for me..so i prefer doing channel bonding myself, it's that possible? |
| 11:19.02 | bob2 | Belping--: by "access" you mean "mount windows shares"? |
| 11:19.08 | bob2 | A-abc: no |
| 11:19.19 | Belping-- | bob2: yes |
| 11:19.23 | bob2 | A-abc: unless you use equal-cost-multi-path and layer a vpn on top of that |
| 11:19.24 | Belping-- | nanok: thanks |
| 11:19.30 | sml | sdogi: its easy if they're from the same provider however.. i managed to get it working with different ip ranges and different providers lol. Was hard work. |
| 11:19.39 | bob2 | Belping--: 'mount -t smb //machine/share /mnt' |
| 11:19.50 | Belping-- | ok thanks! |
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| 11:19.54 | sml | bob2: how long has mount bean able to do that ? |
| 11:20.04 | bob2 | sml: I don't know |
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| 11:20.10 | sml | That's v. nice. |
| 11:20.10 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: you might find swapon -s, or /proc/swaps usefull while not the answer to your question =/ |
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| 11:21.48 | Belping-- | bob2: could you tell me how i can list the network computers? i forgot the name :s |
| 11:21.50 | EvanCarroll | sml before you read to much into samba, you should add cifs to the list of things to research, as it is a more evolved for of samba, with extra error protection |
| 11:22.00 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: asked in #kernel, maby i they know.. such thing should be implemented somehow, some protocol for kernel which you can use to get information about swap |
| 11:22.12 | sdogi | right now i have plenty of free mem but very few swap |
| 11:22.36 | bob2 | Belping--: smbclient, I guess, I've never used it |
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| 11:22.40 | sdogi | i have 51m ram used but swap is used like 110m |
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| 11:22.48 | Belping-- | ok thanks again |
| 11:23.23 | A-abc | bob2: so, if i use equal-cost-multi-path and layer a vpn, i will have my 1mbit/s channel? |
| 11:23.27 | linux_Tux | i have a network connection between debian-sarge box and winXP box i have shared directory on winXP i tried samba-client mount the shared dir. when i used mount -t smbfs i got , wrong fs and when i tried smbmount got , command not found .. so what's wrong |
| 11:23.29 | Sontek | On the Debian Apache it defaults to a directory apache2-default where can I change this? its not in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 11:23.31 | bob2 | A-abc: more or less |
| 11:23.36 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: thats not supposed to happen, you have lsof, which will tell you open files, not sure if that registers with those located on swap (swap is abstracted in a funny fashion) |
| 11:23.42 | bob2 | Sontek: you'll notice nothing is in that file |
| 11:23.49 | Miter | 8-) |
| 11:23.51 | bob2 | Sontek: look in that dir for another obvious-looking file |
| 11:23.52 | A-abc | bob2 : what do you mean by more or less? |
| 11:23.55 | Gathond | sdogi: that memory that is swaped out have probbaly not been accessed in days, so the VM decided to use that memory for cache's instead |
| 11:24.07 | bob2 | A-abc: I mean try it and see, I don't know how well it will balance |
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| 11:24.15 | bob2 | A-abc: something like tinc will probably work |
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| 11:24.34 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: i personally haven't utilized swap in along time, it takes a memmory leak or a big video game or a complex web application to eat through 512megs of memmory |
| 11:24.35 | linux_Tux | hello anybody there |
| 11:24.41 | A-abc | bob2: tinc? |
| 11:24.47 | bob2 | A-abc: apt-cache show tinc |
| 11:25.15 | sdogi | Gathond: hm, well you see this swap place is freed when i close program called bandwitdhd which is something like mrtg, it creates graphs for lan boxes |
| 11:25.19 | linux_Tux | i have a network connection between debian-sarge box and winXP box i have shared directory on winXP i tried samba-client mount the shared dir. when i used mount -t smbfs i got , wrong fs and when i tried smbmount got , command not found .. so what's wrong |
| 11:25.24 | Nem[Laptop] | heh, tinc's overhead will diminish most of the advantage you gain |
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| 11:25.39 | sdogi | Gathond: i know it for sure, anyway when looking at ps aux bandwitdhd doesn't seem to consume like anything |
| 11:25.42 | sep | bob2: linux equal cost balance does per flow balancing, if the vpn is considered one flow then it wont balance. if it's considered many flows it may balance |
| 11:25.45 | bob2 | Nem[Laptop]: it kills latency but doesn't seem to hurt bandwidth so much |
| 11:25.54 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: true |
| 11:25.59 | bob2 | sep: right, hence why I'm suggesting tinc, which uses udp )by default) |
| 11:26.09 | linux_Tux | no one can help |
| 11:26.18 | EvanCarroll | linux_Tux: do you have samba-common? |
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| 11:26.21 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: even on my shitty laptop which has 256 ram i actually created freebsd partition from swap :-) |
| 11:26.33 | linux_Tux | EvanCarroll: yes |
| 11:26.40 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: this laptop is like 566 mhz and is too slow anyway to run something that would consume much memory |
| 11:26.41 | bob2 | linux_Tux: installing smbmount might help |
| 11:26.43 | bob2 | just a guess |
| 11:26.44 | holycow | i'm googling zilch on how to remove the debian launcher at the bottom of the applications menu in gnome 2.8 ... can this be done? |
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| 11:26.57 | bob2 | holycow: it involves hacking the source, aiui |
| 11:27.04 | linux_Tux | bob2: isn't it installed with samba-client ? |
| 11:27.05 | bob2 | holycow: #gnome-debian on irc.gimp.org |
| 11:27.06 | EvanCarroll | linux_Tux: copy and paste your line you used from mount to mount your network share? |
| 11:27.08 | holycow | eeep |
| 11:27.10 | holycow | ! |
| 11:27.13 | bob2 | linux_Tux: aparently not |
| 11:27.13 | holycow | oka danke |
| 11:27.18 | jim | holycow: what happens when you right click it? |
| 11:27.20 | sdogi | even right now i'm running more then my usual stuff and i still have like 50 mb free |
| 11:27.27 | holycow | jim, nothing :/ |
| 11:27.32 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2 / A-abc: I know on Solaris there's some weird way that if you have three public IPs, you assign one to each NIC, and have a third as a "virtual" nic |
| 11:27.35 | linux_Tux | bob2: so what's the package name |
| 11:27.47 | bob2 | linux_Tux: nfi, http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:27.53 | Nem[Laptop] | it then uses the virtual nic as the source/destination, and routes packets through the actual nic's |
| 11:27.57 | holycow | thanks bob |
| 11:28.21 | EvanCarroll | linux_Tux: or man mount.cifs |
| 11:28.28 | bob2 | Nem[Laptop]: linux lets you do something similar, but in the routing layer. you assign each interface to have the same route cost, and it round-robins between them |
| 11:28.31 | sep | Nem[Laptop]: sounds like lvs |
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| 11:28.50 | Nem[Laptop] | Seb__: lvs? |
| 11:28.55 | Nem[Laptop] | sep: lvs? |
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| 11:29.25 | Belping-- | ok thanks again |
| 11:30.31 | sml | bob2 mount -t smb is just a front end interface to smbmount. |
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| 11:30.39 | bob2 | I know |
| 11:30.45 | bob2 | which is why it failed for linux_Tux |
| 11:30.47 | sml | bob2: lol. I didn't |
| 11:30.56 | sep | Nem[Laptop]:hmm no you were talking about balancing, i thougt you were talking high availibillity |
| 11:31.14 | sml | I mean I knew about smbmount obviously but I thought that mount had been given a new lease of life |
| 11:31.19 | Nem[Laptop] | sep: ah.. well, another nice side-effect is high availability ;) |
| 11:31.31 | sep | http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/HighAvailability.html this dosnt balance just provides redundancy |
| 11:31.54 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : yes, but i don't think that's my case because i've two servers, not one |
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| 11:32.34 | bob2 | anyway, the tinc-over-equal-cost-routes thing is just an idea Nem[Laptop] and came up with |
| 11:32.39 | bob2 | I've not actually tried it |
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| 11:32.59 | Nem[Laptop] | haha blame me for it ;) |
| 11:33.10 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: are they both with the same ISP? |
| 11:33.21 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : yes |
| 11:33.35 | bob2 | it seems fairly shit that they charge extra for channel bonding |
| 11:33.43 | bob2 | since I'm pretty sure they just have to enable an option on their router |
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| 11:33.53 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2: unless they have a shit router... |
| 11:33.55 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : and my two external ip's are in the same subnet mask |
| 11:34.07 | bob2 | hah, yeah |
| 11:34.08 | linux_Tux | bob2: how to install this smbmount ? |
| 11:34.16 | bob2 | so, this idea won't work if you're using Netspeed |
| 11:34.21 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: hmm, so it's like ISP-----Server_A----Your_machine----Server_B-----ISP ? |
| 11:34.24 | sep | linux_Tux: apt-get install samba-client i belive |
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| 11:34.35 | bob2 | linux_Tux: the website I gave you will tell you the packagename |
| 11:34.40 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : yes, thats right |
| 11:34.40 | Nem[Laptop] | linux_Tux: you'll need to apt-get install smbfs too, afaik |
| 11:34.51 | fusion | Does /etc/hosts.deny HAVE to be hostnames or can it be IP addresses? |
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| 11:35.09 | linux_Tux | bob2: i got smclient is already the newest version |
| 11:35.15 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: so, both Server_{A,B} are doing NAT now ? |
| 11:35.31 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : yes |
| 11:35.34 | cafuego | oh yea verilym, a set of vnc servers under vmware :-) |
| 11:36.14 | mono | well bob2 the doc. did not help. other ideas? |
| 11:36.21 | sml | fusion: you are better off using IP addresses in case someone DNS spoofs you. |
| 11:36.30 | bob2 | mono: sure it did |
| 11:36.30 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: hmm, have you tried bob2's equal-cost idea? add a route on your machine to both Server_{A,B}, equal cost |
| 11:36.36 | sml | fusion: also dont forget the tcp wrappers only work for wrapped services :) |
| 11:36.37 | mono | bob2, i have restarted apache and i still get the prompt on saving the php doc |
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| 11:36.46 | bob2 | mono: then you didn't enable it correctly |
| 11:36.53 | reNegad3 | i'm thinking of using zebra as a routing daemon, is there anything else that is recommended? |
| 11:37.03 | bob2 | mono: double check the module is loaded and the AddType lines are uncommented |
| 11:37.05 | sep | reNegad3: quagga |
| 11:37.09 | linux_Tux | bob2: can you point me to a guide on how to share winxp net connection..? |
| 11:37.14 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: hmm, actually, now that I come to tihnk of it, it won't work. |
| 11:37.18 | sep | reNegad3: there is a #quagga on freenode also |
| 11:37.18 | bob2 | quagga is the replacement for zebra, right? |
| 11:37.23 | petemc | yes |
| 11:37.25 | reNegad3 | thanks sep |
| 11:37.26 | sml | quagga is a deceased animal |
| 11:37.33 | sml | extinct even! |
| 11:37.37 | bob2 | linux_Tux: no idea, that sounds like a windows question |
| 11:37.46 | sep | quagga is a fork of zebra becouse the quagga people found it hard to get patches included in zebra |
| 11:37.48 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: I think you'll need a routable public IP from your ISP for 'Your_Machine' |
| 11:37.48 | petemc | mm, paul jakma doesnt think its deceased |
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| 11:37.54 | A-abc | bob2: if i want a 384/512 conection i have to pay 290$+70 $ for the extra connection; now i have 2x 256/384 for 2x200$; so it's less expensive if i find something to do about that |
| 11:38.06 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : i have that |
| 11:38.07 | mono | bob2, there two are clean AddType application/x-httpd-php .php AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 11:38.10 | Nem[Laptop] | the packets need to appear to be coming from the _ONE_ IP |
| 11:38.13 | sml | A-abc: iproute2 dude. |
| 11:38.17 | mono | bob2, no comment there |
| 11:38.18 | bob2 | mono: and the module is loaded? |
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| 11:38.31 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : each server has it's own routable subnet |
| 11:38.33 | mono | bob2, php4? libapache-mod-php4? which one? |
| 11:38.39 | bob2 | mono: php4. |
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| 11:38.43 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: routable subnet ?? |
| 11:38.47 | bob2 | !+find mod_php.so |
| 11:38.56 | mono | bob2, i have apt-get install php4 |
| 11:38.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mod_php.so' returned no results. |
| 11:39.00 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : each server has it's own routable class |
| 11:39.05 | reNegad3 | would zebra be sufficient? or is it not good compared to quagga? |
| 11:39.15 | bob2 | reNegad3: it just has stalled development |
| 11:39.20 | sml | A-abc: ip route add default scope global equalize nexthop via adsl1 dev eth1 nexthop via adsl2 dev eth1 |
| 11:39.28 | reNegad3 | ahh ok |
| 11:39.29 | sml | and voila you're in business. |
| 11:39.29 | bob2 | oh, nice |
| 11:39.58 | sep | reNegad3: i have used both they also work together, new patches go into quagga faster. |
| 11:40.06 | bob2 | tho both interfaces probably have the same gateway |
| 11:40.13 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : i have 128 routables public ip on the #1 server and 256 for the second one.. |
| 11:40.22 | linux_Tux | i want to run debian bash shell from winXP how to do so |
| 11:40.22 | Nem[Laptop] | *choke* |
| 11:40.27 | reNegad3 | ok thanks |
| 11:40.34 | linux_Tux | i'm connected on a network |
| 11:40.39 | sml | linux_Tux: google for cygwin. |
| 11:40.40 | Nem[Laptop] | they've given you a class C for a 512k connection??? |
| 11:40.47 | bob2 | linux_Tux: please stop it |
| 11:40.49 | mono | bob2, well.. did not find mod_php.so why is it no there. i have php4 installed |
| 11:40.53 | bob2 | linux_Tux: you need to go buy a basic linux book |
| 11:40.56 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : i've bouth them |
| 11:41.05 | bob2 | mono: ok |
| 11:41.11 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop] : *bought |
| 11:41.18 | mono | bob2, i also have /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 11:41.29 | bob2 | mono: that's presumably the module |
| 11:41.34 | bob2 | mono: now make sure it loads |
| 11:41.41 | bob2 | which the README.Debian explained |
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| 11:41.42 | A-abc | sml: i will try that.. |
| 11:41.43 | Nem[Laptop] | Don't you need to justify what you're using the IPs for to have more than a /27 ?? |
| 11:41.49 | linux_Tux | bob2: i'm i know but just me this |
| 11:41.57 | sml | A-abc: good. |
| 11:41.59 | bob2 | linux_Tux: what's your native language? |
| 11:42.00 | fusion | sml, is there some way to block certain IPs fully from the system? |
| 11:42.01 | mono | pt-get install php4 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, php4 is already the newest version.0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 11:42.08 | sml | fusion: yes. iptables |
| 11:42.13 | bob2 | mono: yes, you have that installed |
| 11:42.21 | linux_Tux | bob2: french |
| 11:42.21 | A-abc | Nem[Laptop]: yes..i have more than 200 pcs in my network |
| 11:42.28 | sml | fusion: packest can be blocked from many layers from network to application. |
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| 11:42.34 | mono | bob2, how do i make sure it loads? should i kill ir and restart it? which one am i missing then? |
| 11:42.44 | bob2 | linux_Tux: try #debian-fr |
| 11:42.46 | mono | bob2, mod_php.so? |
| 11:42.50 | bob2 | mono: dude |
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| 11:43.00 | bob2 | mono: have you read the README.Debian or not? |
| 11:43.04 | bob2 | I'm 99.9999% sure it explains this |
| 11:43.09 | mono | bob2, couldn't find that dude-er |
| 11:43.13 | mono | bob2, i have. |
| 11:43.21 | mono | bob2, 2ice |
| 11:43.22 | sml | or even the php page on the apache website which gives you STEP BY STEP instructions! |
| 11:43.23 | bob2 | blah |
| 11:43.24 | Nem[Laptop] | A-abc: i figured ARIN would just say "use NAT" or something, lol |
| 11:43.27 | bob2 | "2ice" is not a word |
| 11:43.29 | k00z | does anyone know a lot about different linux distros? |
| 11:43.35 | bob2 | k00z: no, go away |
| 11:43.44 | bob2 | or ask a specific question about Debian |
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| 11:43.47 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2: hah, bitter. |
| 11:43.49 | EvanCarroll | k00z: most people do, why would you ask such a thing |
| 11:44.05 | bob2 | Nem[Laptop]: the idiots burn |
| 11:44.08 | linux_Tux | bob2: i think that not me only who asking basics question .. !! |
| 11:44.08 | k00z | hey uh... im not exactly new to linux, but im not all that knowledgeable either... im looking for a fairly easy to setup distro that has a lot of commandline based utilities/extra stuff installed (browser, irc client, chat clients [aka aim/msn/jabber], ftp server, web server, ect) but would also support going into say fluxbox for graphical browsing and a bit of gaming... but not much after that, any suggestions? |
| 11:44.12 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2: heh, and they multiply |
| 11:44.20 | mono | bob2, i have enabled LoadModule in my httpd.conf dude |
| 11:44.26 | bob2 | mono: good |
| 11:44.32 | sml | k00z: pretty much all distributions will provide that. |
| 11:44.32 | linux_Tux | bob2: and i said i need to know that and that's all ? |
| 11:44.33 | mono | bob2, dude.. it still didn't work. |
| 11:44.37 | EvanCarroll | k00z: debian. |
| 11:44.40 | bob2 | mono: now run 'HEAD http://hostname/' and look at the version |
| 11:44.44 | bob2 | mono: for fuck's sake |
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| 11:44.50 | bob2 | I'm downloading the fucking module to look at it for you |
| 11:44.54 | Nem[Laptop] | k00z: perhaps Fedora Core 3 would be more suited to your uses. |
| 11:44.56 | bob2 | so drop the attitude while I'm helping you or fuck off |
| 11:44.57 | k00z | but most ive seen have like kde or gnome and a bunch of excess utils already installed? |
| 11:45.14 | mono | bob2, i go the msg that the modules were already loaded. |
| 11:45.20 | EvanCarroll | k00z: install base then type thing, 'apt-get install links2 centericq irssi proftpd apache-perl;' |
| 11:45.24 | pureone | www.distrowatch.com |
| 11:45.43 | sml | k00z: Most distributions only have what you choose to install. you dont like gnome / kde then remove it. apt-get purge .. |
| 11:45.54 | holycow | okay so bob, you are right, the Debian entry in the Applications menu is hard coded |
| 11:45.55 | holycow | but |
| 11:46.25 | holycow | if it helps anyone, you can remove all the subentries in the Debian menu by deleting /var/lib/gnome/Debian |
| 11:46.33 | EvanCarroll | and some distributions give you no control over what you have installed, debian is limited control, ubuntu is no control, gentoo is too much control, etc etc |
| 11:46.34 | bob2 | k00z: use ubuntu |
| 11:46.35 | igraltist | hi |
| 11:46.38 | holycow | and at least empty that portions of the menu |
| 11:46.45 | mono | bob2, there's z0 attitude here |
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| 11:46.49 | igraltist | i have this problem http://channels.debian.net/paste/305 |
| 11:46.51 | Nem[Laptop] | <bob2> k00z: use gentoo |
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| 11:46.59 | Nem[Laptop] | <bob2> k00z: and be sure to post on the forums |
| 11:47.00 | bob2 | mono: stop using stupid "words" like "z0" |
| 11:47.09 | bob2 | I'm downloading the stupid thing |
| 11:47.11 | mono | bob2, now how do i kill these mod's so i can restart them. each time i restart apache i get the msg that the mods are already loaded |
| 11:47.19 | bob2 | Nem[Laptop]: don't make me beat you |
| 11:47.19 | toad_ | when will we get X.org? and a gnopernicus build that can use damages/fixes? |
| 11:47.20 | EvanCarroll | gentoo is really a joke btw its not a distro its a learning excercise |
| 11:47.25 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2: *grins* :) |
| 11:47.29 | holycow | toad_, when the time is right |
| 11:47.31 | bob2 | toad_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 11:47.37 | toad_ | ok |
| 11:47.38 | k00z | evancarroll: i think that might be what i need |
| 11:47.39 | mono | bob2, what? what is this? |
| 11:47.44 | bob2 | mono: you're using apache2? |
| 11:47.51 | mono | bob2, nope, 1.3 |
| 11:48.05 | k00z | evancarroll: ;) |
| 11:48.21 | EvanCarroll | k00z: gentoo probably will require another comp, you need good comunication with someone that has used it because the docs are flawed, and every gentoo install has some degree of chaos |
| 11:48.32 | bob2 | the world would be a far better place if php didn't exist |
| 11:48.42 | bob2 | I can't even remember the last time someone asked for help with mod_perl |
| 11:48.49 | Nem[Laptop] | bob2: *sniff* |
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| 11:49.03 | PerfDave | Gentoo is a learning exercise in the same way that cutting your feet off is a learning exercise. You learn it's not worth doing and you were bloody stupid to do it in the first place. |
| 11:49.18 | k00z | so uh... why gentoo or why ubuntu or why fedora? |
| 11:49.23 | EvanCarroll | k00z: but i must say being a long time debian user, i still stood to learn alot from gentoo, i installed it because it was a buz word, and after having removed debian found out i was into 500pages of manuels before i could boot v. nasty, relize there is *no installer* for a stage 1 debian install |
| 11:49.28 | jim | bloody AND stupid you mean :) |
| 11:49.30 | bob2 | k00z: dude |
| 11:49.32 | PerfDave | k00z: Because people are too stupid to use Debian ;) |
| 11:49.34 | bob2 | no one can tell you what to use |
| 11:49.41 | bob2 | you need to take a guess and try one |
| 11:49.48 | bob2 | if you're new and like the idea of Debian, use ubuntu |
| 11:49.50 | mono | bob2, i asked a mod_perl question today |
| 11:49.52 | A-abc | PerfDave : :) |
| 11:49.58 | jim | you need to try a few |
| 11:50.16 | sml | EvanCarroll: portage is very nice.. that's about all i can say :) |
| 11:50.25 | k00z | haha... well i managed to get through a slack install and finagle through getting it online with 2 network cards installed... |
| 11:50.29 | bob2 | mono: so does it show up in the output of HEAD or not? |
| 11:50.37 | jim | read the distribution-howto and see if something there intrests you |
| 11:50.38 | sml | I wonder how good slack is these days. I've not used it in five years. |
| 11:50.38 | A-abc | k00z: it's something like that, try another easier distribution and after that..come here |
| 11:50.41 | k00z | but... ive only used mandrake before this... |
| 11:50.43 | EvanCarroll | k00z: ubuntu is faster at releases then debian, they have xorg in their repository (Btw you can use the hoary repository on debian and install xorg at the expense of borking sid), fedora is redhat, its the beta of their commercial product |
| 11:50.43 | A-abc | :) |
| 11:50.44 | sml | or more infact... about 7.. |
| 11:50.47 | mono | bob2, how do i kill this one : warn] module config_log_module is already loaded, skipping [Thu Mar 3 00:30:28 2005] [warn] module mime_module is already loaded, skipping |
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| 11:50.59 | bob2 | mono: find where it's being loaded and stop it |
| 11:51.04 | sml | PerfDave: "gentoy" lol |
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| 11:51.13 | bob2 | mono: I would guess 'grep -r config_log /etc/apache/' |
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| 11:51.43 | k00z | yea... rpms remind me too much of windows... |
| 11:51.57 | sml | I have a gentoy too. My laptop. Coz I watch dvd's and divx's on it and I like to use bleeding edge just release yesterday audio/video software. |
| 11:52.02 | inc|freaky | k00z: same here, before i used debian - and i must say, debian is really kewl ... it doesnt have some tools, but i just love it now lol |
| 11:52.03 | EvanCarroll | k00z: redhat is shit, its like mandrake or suse, i hope to some day be able to say rpm distros are a thing of the past, however marketining seems to keep them alive |
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| 11:52.15 | sml | EvanCarroll: you mean DeadRat |
| 11:52.52 | EvanCarroll | k00z: if you have 50computers, each with 2 processers, running archaic hp processers, and need an operating system supported, your stuck with redhat. |
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| 11:52.52 | k00z | well if debian is going to give me a headache then that might be a good thing.. |
| 11:53.06 | A-abc | k00z : i've used redhat,mandrake, suse, slackware and the debian |
| 11:53.15 | PerfDave | There's nothing inherently wrong with RPM, now we have apt-rpm et al. It's just that no distro, RPM or otherwise, has the QA of Debian. |
| 11:53.22 | bob2 | right |
| 11:53.28 | bob2 | Policy is what's special, not dpkg |
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| 11:54.08 | k00z | whats the app--get deal? |
| 11:54.08 | sml | very wise words |
| 11:54.08 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: i would argue there is alot wrong with rpms, like the inability to check dependencies. |
| 11:54.08 | sml | Its debians mentality and policy that seperate it. :) |
| 11:54.08 | bob2 | EvanCarroll: I'm pretty sure rpm has package dependencies nowadays |
| 11:54.09 | inc|freaky | k00z: it did for me at the beginning, i was sittin in front of it night and day, now it just ownz :D well, got a few problems at the beginning, at the moment im having some probs with apt, cuz i needed the nvidia installer from sid, someone in here told me to add the sources of sid, and add something like APT::Default-Release "sid" in apt.conf but then packages got confused i wanted to use sarge |
| 11:54.09 | inc|freaky | though |
| 11:54.09 | bob2 | k00z: apt-get. |
| 11:54.34 | sml | adherence to the FSH etc. |
| 11:54.34 | bob2 | k00z: it makes it easy to instll software: apt-get install blah, and blah gets downloaded and installed |
| 11:54.34 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Comparing rpm with apt isn't fair. rpm is equivalent to dpkg. There are apt-equivalent tools for RPM-based distros. |
| 11:54.37 | k00z | after you download the tarball? |
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| 11:54.42 | bob2 | k00z: no |
| 11:54.43 | inc|freaky | and i still dont understand why "Default-Release "sid"" when iw atn to use sarge |
| 11:54.46 | bob2 | k00z: that's the whole command |
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| 11:54.56 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: That's very wrong. |
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| 11:55.00 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: or the fact that extracting an rpm requires you run rpm2cpio, and pipe to cpio with some odd sequence of arguements, just to acomplish what dpkg -x does |
| 11:55.00 | bob2 | inc|freaky: er, don't do that |
| 11:55.03 | A-abc | k00z ; you don't have to download the tarball |
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| 11:55.04 | PerfDave | !tell inc|freaky about nvidia oneliner |
| 11:55.06 | bob2 | it will horibbly confuse apt |
| 11:55.19 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: it didnt tell me anything |
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| 11:55.23 | k00z | thats rather nice... downloads and installs everything for you? |
| 11:55.33 | A-abc | yes |
| 11:55.43 | k00z | rad - debian have that? |
| 11:55.44 | PerfDave | !nvidia one liner |
| 11:55.45 | A-abc | and configures some conf files.. |
| 11:55.45 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick ... |
| 11:55.47 | fusion | Is there a list somewhere of official "unused" IP ranges? |
| 11:55.53 | bob2 | fusion: yes |
| 11:56.01 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: i did exactly that :D |
| 11:56.06 | bob2 | on the IANA website |
| 11:56.11 | fusion | ahh thanks |
| 11:56.12 | PerfDave | fusion: Do you mean "unused", or "reserved for private networks"? |
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| 11:56.17 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: and it told me about the sid-sources ... etc. |
| 11:56.19 | fusion | PerfDave, unused |
| 11:56.22 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: i dont see how thats true, dpkg has 'dpkg -l' a listing of all installed rpms, dpkg creates a database of installed files isolated from apt, i have yet to see 'rpm' do such a thing |
| 11:56.32 | EvanCarroll | err installed debs* |
| 11:56.34 | A-abc | fusion: why do you need that? |
| 11:56.34 | bob2 | fusion: oh |
| 11:56.42 | bob2 | fusion: you might want the "bogon list' instead then |
| 11:57.11 | bob2 | fusion: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/ |
| 11:57.15 | bogon | heh |
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| 11:57.17 | EvanCarroll | hrm that one line could be better written |
| 11:57.24 | mono | bob2, tried to stop these mods with no success.. help? |
| 11:57.25 | PerfDave | !simple sid/sarge mix |
| 11:57.26 | dpkg | hmm... quick sid/sarge mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge (e.g. nvidia-glx) |
| 11:57.27 | fusion | I'll have to keep it up to date obviously |
| 11:57.33 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: for the moment i have just removed all sid sources but its strange - apt-get update && apt-get upgrade doesnt upgrade anything anymore even it downloads some packages updates but im not sure if thats just since yesterday and tomorrow there are new packages for me - hopefully im not running sid because i got kde3.3.2 which was also said to be in sid and not in sarge im just confused about |
| 11:57.34 | inc|freaky | everything now |
| 11:57.36 | fusion | but I get a LOT of spoofing attacks |
| 11:57.36 | k00z | so... the apt-get - where does it pull stuff from? a debian server or..? |
| 11:57.42 | bob2 | fusion: is this for firewalling? |
| 11:57.46 | fusion | yes |
| 11:57.49 | bob2 | fusion: right, the bogon list sounds like just what you want |
| 11:57.51 | inc|freaky | thats what i did :D |
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| 11:57.56 | bob2 | mono: you didn't answer me |
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| 11:58.09 | inc|freaky | im currently using "APT::Default-Release "sarge" instead of testing if thats ok |
| 11:58.14 | PerfDave | k00z: It pulls things from the sources you specify. |
| 11:58.16 | inc|freaky | because i changed the testing to sarge sources |
| 11:58.18 | jim | k00z: apt-get can pull from net or other media (like cdrom or hd) |
| 11:58.34 | bob2 | inc|freaky: just don't have that line at all |
| 11:58.38 | EvanCarroll | k00z: the sources you have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:58.44 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Uhm, currently testing *is* sarge, so they're equivalent. testing should be a symlink to sarge on the repositories. |
| 11:58.51 | k00z | so if you find some random program on say sourceforge you can just point it at that and it will install for you? |
| 11:58.59 | jim | no |
| 11:59.07 | inc|freaky | yea, i know ... i just hope it didnt upgrade to sid since ... |
| 11:59.14 | jim | BUT you can get its source and build it |
| 11:59.22 | A-abc | k00z ; you can do an apt-cache search before to see if exists |
| 11:59.27 | inc|freaky | when i edited /etc/apt/apt.conf i instered testing, then suddenly it was sid without me doing anyhting |
| 11:59.28 | EvanCarroll | k00z: not unless the sourceforge project has published a deb, or a deb pkg mainter has made one for it |
| 11:59.39 | EvanCarroll | maintainer* |
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| 11:59.52 | k00z | er... oh dear. this is starting to go over my head |
| 12:00.05 | inc|freaky | k00z: and apt-file search lets you search for specific files, and it will tell you in what packages the file youre searching for is (aww yea, my perfect english and alc ;D) |
| 12:00.09 | PerfDave | k00z: Try reading the #debian FAQ, or the Debian Installation Manual, or the APT HOWTO. |
| 12:00.10 | EvanCarroll | k00z: however an interface to sourceforge is called for, someone needs to write an deb-src interface to source forge, i wonder how difficult that would be in perl |
| 12:00.20 | k00z | sooooo... is the apt-get the only way to install stuff? |
| 12:00.22 | jim | producing a .deb isn't enough for there to be an aptable repository... but people have set up their own |
| 12:00.33 | inc|freaky | k00z: yea, like rpm with mandrake |
| 12:00.36 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: It would be near impossible. Just stick stuff in /usr/local if you're installing it from sourcefarce. |
| 12:00.39 | inc|freaky | k00z: of course you can compile things yourself |
| 12:00.52 | k00z | ok good |
| 12:00.53 | PerfDave | k00z: No, but it's the easiest and best way. |
| 12:00.54 | inc|freaky | apt-get works like urpmi with mandrake |
| 12:00.56 | jim | k00z: no, not the only way... you can also build stuff |
| 12:00.58 | mono | bob2, grep: warning: /etc/apache/conf: recursive directory loop |
| 12:00.58 | mono | /etc/apache/httpd.conf:LoadModule config_log_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config.so /etc/apache/httpd.conf:LoadModule config_log_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config_ssl.so |
| 12:01.04 | EvanCarroll | k00z: no you can alien a non-native-to-debian rpm, which is hopefull at best, or you can compile from sources |
| 12:01.13 | bob2 | mono: lord |
| 12:01.29 | bob2 | mono: is it loading the module in that file twice? |
| 12:01.35 | bob2 | if so, haha, and delete one of them. |
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| 12:01.46 | bob2 | mono: also, you haven't answerd my last question, still |
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| 12:01.50 | k00z | evancarroll: er... not looking to install rpms - just tarballs |
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| 12:01.57 | inc|freaky | k00z: and debian got a nicer community ... ppl in here help you a lot, while ppl in #mandrake here and on other networks dont help you that good as in here ... (imho) |
| 12:01.59 | mono | bob2, it seems to be loading them 3 times |
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| 12:02.13 | EvanCarroll | k00z: then extract the tarball to source, apt-get install build-essential and make it |
| 12:02.15 | bob2 | 21:44:40 bob2 | mono: now run 'HEAD http://hostname/' and look at the version |
| 12:02.20 | k00z | inc|freaky: so im noticing :D |
| 12:02.25 | bob2 | mono: that's nice |
| 12:02.27 | inc|freaky | k00z: :D |
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| 12:02.38 | bob2 | mono: are there 3 LoadModule lines for it? |
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| 12:03.35 | k00z | evancarroll: when you say extract it to source... you just mean extract it into a regular folder? (sorry im a n00b) |
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| 12:03.45 | EvanCarroll | mono: grep -r LoadModule /etc/apache | grep config_log_module |
| 12:04.19 | k00z | goodness... 4 years of working professionally with computers and now i feel like im 15 again |
| 12:04.39 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 12:04.43 | sep | computers keep you forever young! |
| 12:04.48 | k00z | hahaha |
| 12:04.53 | mono | bob2, Stopping web server: apacheNo /usr/sbin/apache found running; none killed. |
| 12:04.54 | Gul | i have done a `apt-get install libintl-gettext-ruby1.8` but when i do a require 'gettext' i get a /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/irb/init.rb:218:in `require': No such file to load -- gettext (LoadError), what else do i need to run gettext under ruby? |
| 12:05.14 | EvanCarroll | k00z: yes, see command line utilities gunzip, and tar |
| 12:05.18 | bob2 | mono: ok, you're going to have to ask on the debian-user list or hire a consultant, I guess |
| 12:05.19 | inc|freaky | damn im drunk and its 1:06pm |
| 12:05.34 | inc|freaky | and i still luv debian lo |
| 12:05.35 | inc|freaky | l |
| 12:05.36 | pureone | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/03/021246&from=rss |
| 12:05.40 | bob2 | inc|freaky: it's after midday, it's ok |
| 12:05.41 | inc|freaky | but its boring atm, everything working |
| 12:05.44 | mono | EvanCarr1ll, grep -r LoadModule /etc/apache | grep config_log_module |
| 12:05.46 | inc|freaky | bob2: lol ;p |
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| 12:06.01 | inc|freaky | everything but my webcam oO |
| 12:06.08 | k00z | evancarroll: yea you just threw me off with the whole "to source" part... i normally say just flat out "unzip it" didn't know if there was somethin else to it.. |
| 12:06.19 | k00z | evancarroll: but thanks :) |
| 12:06.20 | mono | bob2, listen buddy, i haven't slept from 730am yesterday. give me a break |
| 12:06.32 | EvanCarroll | mono: yes i said that =D will tell you where the module is being loaded from, if its being loaded three times from say your httpd.conf and your virtual directories your problem is very simple, otherwise your problem might be complex =/ |
| 12:06.34 | k00z | and thanks everyone else... |
| 12:06.45 | bob2 | mono: ok |
| 12:06.55 | bob2 | mono: that was my polite way of saying "I don't think I can help you, sorry" |
| 12:07.07 | mono | bob2, thank you and goodbye |
| 12:07.22 | EvanCarroll | k00z: no 'to source' is a commonly used preposition, bad habbit and redundant though i would stick with your way |
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| 12:07.41 | mono | bob2, that was my way of saying i apprecaite your help but not the attitude |
| 12:07.51 | k00z | evancarroll: lol ok |
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| 12:07.58 | inc|freaky | is there any way i can find out what release of debian im using? ... because of the APT::Default-Release and i hope it didnt upgrade to sid ... (though, if i change it back to sarge, would that downgrade packages?) |
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| 12:08.15 | bob2 | inc|freaky: no, it won't downgrade |
| 12:08.30 | k00z | evancarroll: much like my own hated habit of saying nic card *sigh* |
| 12:08.33 | EvanCarroll | k00z: it probably has its roots, in being the proper way to install something would be to unzip to /usr/src/pkg_name but following folder hierarchy is tiresome |
| 12:08.49 | mono | EvanCarr1ll, there are basically two other cp's of that file. i am not assuming that it is taking all of them |
| 12:08.59 | mono | EvanCarr1ll, when starting |
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| 12:09.19 | k00z | evancarroll: oohhh... i always just made my own folder and never really touched most of the prebuilt stuff... |
| 12:09.22 | jim | debian developers decided long ago to not actively support downgrading individual packages, much less full downgrade capability |
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| 12:11.00 | EvanCarroll | k00z: thats what /usr/src is for, its that folder isolated from the prebuilt stuff, that all usrs belonging to group src have access to |
| 12:11.07 | toad_ | !tell toad_ about nvidia oneliner |
| 12:11.20 | EvanCarroll | k00z: think of it like a scratch pad for building packages |
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| 12:11.33 | Xpasswd | annenizi sikmek istiyorum mümkünati var midir ki acep? |
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| 12:12.00 | EvanCarroll | k00z: you unzip to that folder, enter folder, make config, make, and then if you like what you have you make install, then you can delete the folder or just keep it there (as i do) |
| 12:12.17 | k00z | evancarroll: *nod* yea i... *blush* use my home directory... but now i know theres a good place to put stuff... so yea |
| 12:12.31 | Ashtars_fanclub | hi, i'm having alot of problems with my debian (testing) suddenly, i dont know what caused it, firefox became insanely unstable and crashes alot when i am to download some files, atleast it stops responding, totem takes extreemly long time to load maybe 5 minutes, and starting nautilus doesnt seem to be dooing much at all |
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| 12:12.33 | inc|freaky | ok, so, does anyone know of a package which is in sid and sarge, and those two are installed on almost every system? |
| 12:12.39 | inc|freaky | so i can find out if im using sid or sarge |
| 12:12.41 | k00z | evancarroll: make install installs it elsewhere?! |
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| 12:12.47 | EvanCarroll | k00z: well i too use my home directory thats where the shit goes from mozilla and links2 ,and thats where i unzip and build from =D |
| 12:13.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | the only thing i can think of is iptables blocking things but that shouldnt cause any trouble with totem and, nautilus right? |
| 12:13.10 | EvanCarroll | k00z: make install installs it in /usr/bin |
| 12:13.12 | EvanCarroll | k0z |
| 12:13.13 | mono | EvanCarr1ll, any other suggestions.. i even tried to reboot my computer.. still didn't work |
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| 12:13.33 | Xpasswd | hello |
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| 12:13.44 | Xpasswd | how r u? |
| 12:13.57 | k00z | evancarroll: everything that a program needs gets put in /usr/bin? |
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| 12:14.29 | EvanCarroll | mono: no, this is very late for me, im sure your problem is pretty trivial though no offense, i need to bathe and go to sleep, you can private message me tomorrow ill take a look at it |
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| 12:14.41 | cahoot | inc|freaky: glibc differs IIRC |
| 12:14.45 | pureone | binarys go to the bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin and where ever else |
| 12:14.47 | cwhsky | fine ,thank you ,and you? |
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| 12:15.15 | inc|freaky | cahoot: glib-config --version returns: 1.2.10 |
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| 12:15.26 | EvanCarroll | k00z: no and thats the problem with make install, it will install astray, as pureone said, thats also the problem with rpms -- no means to apt-get --purge remove |
| 12:16.18 | EvanCarroll | k00z: of coarse a good make install, installs to /usr/local/bin which apt won't touch that makes the uninstall much easier |
| 12:16.26 | k00z | evancarroll: but the program doesn't need the file that you unzipped to after you make install? |
| 12:16.48 | EvanCarroll | k00z: this is also the problem faced by cuurent folder sturcture in linux i like the MS way better =/ |
| 12:16.53 | inc|freaky | k00z: many sources also include a remove or uninstall in their makefile which removes the installed files |
| 12:16.55 | StartBuck | I seem to recall there being a package similar to "stow" that would instead create a deb of the installed files....does anyone know what the name is of that package? |
| 12:17.01 | EvanCarroll | k00z: correct after you make install you can dump the source folder |
| 12:17.21 | k00z | evancarroll: k... lol. |
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| 12:17.34 | cahoot | inc|freaky: 'dpkg -l libc6' returns 2.3.2.ds1-20 on my sarge |
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| 12:17.43 | k00z | inc|freaky: that uninstall is accessed how if you dont use apt-get? |
| 12:17.57 | inc|freaky | cahoot: same here, thx :D |
| 12:18.24 | EvanCarroll | k00z: you should read the logic behind the linux folder structure, for the time it was incredibly advanced |
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| 12:18.29 | inc|freaky | k00z: to compile a program you do make and to install it (move the files to its locations) make install - to remove (if in makefile) you can do: make uninstall or make remove |
| 12:19.23 | k00z | ah - soo its better to keep the folder that you unzipped it to or at least the tarball for purposes of uninstalling... |
| 12:19.42 | EvanCarroll | k00z: it revolves around the idea of backing up /etc/ to save all of your config files (where they are ALL placed theoretically) |
| 12:20.02 | EvanCarroll | k00z: i keep the whole folder who cares about 10megs of source on a modern system |
| 12:20.17 | EvanCarroll | k00z: if you ever delete a conf file or want to reset it, just run another make install |
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| 12:20.33 | EvanCarroll | anyway shower time |
| 12:20.39 | k00z | evancarroll: very good points... |
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| 12:21.10 | k00z | evancaroll: and where would i read about the logic behind the filesystem? |
| 12:21.27 | EvanCarroll | someone ask dpkg the 3 letter analgy for the linux file system |
| 12:21.29 | EvanCarroll | i forgot it |
| 12:21.31 | k00z | evancaroll: is there something i should search for other than "linux filesystem?" |
| 12:21.38 | bob2 | "analgy"? |
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| 12:21.43 | EvanCarroll | yes someone should spam dpkg with it around now |
| 12:21.48 | Dark-Schneider | hi !! |
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| 12:21.57 | toad_ | FHS? |
| 12:22.04 | inc|freaky | is there any debian 64-bit channel? |
| 12:22.22 | bob2 | inc|freaky: do you mean "amd64"? |
| 12:22.29 | inc|freaky | bob2: yea |
| 12:22.33 | bob2 | I wish people would learn to distinguish "amd64" from "64-bit" |
| 12:22.34 | EvanCarroll | yes |
| 12:22.36 | bob2 | inc|freaky: #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:22.38 | EvanCarroll | !fhs |
| 12:22.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 12:22.41 | inc|freaky | thx :D |
| 12:22.43 | peet | whats a business card CD |
| 12:22.47 | EvanCarroll | thanks toad, appreciated. |
| 12:23.00 | bob2 | peet: a very small install disk that gets everything off the network |
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| 12:23.48 | peet | ok after i installed the netinstall cd and rebooted first time |
| 12:23.49 | pureone | i really love debian netinstall |
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| 12:23.56 | peet | it hangs when loading the usb.c |
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| 12:24.03 | peet | i have usb hub with all the devices attached |
| 12:24.05 | peet | =\ |
| 12:24.30 | peet | anyone know why? |
| 12:25.33 | sep | peet: unplug your usb devices see if you can boot then , if you can, then update and upgrade your debian to the newest available especialy your kernel-image then reboot and try again your usb stuff |
| 12:25.48 | peet | ok |
| 12:26.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | it seems iptables is giving me a headache, causing nautilus not to start, making totem start in 5 minutes and, making firefox crash for example when following some dl links for example |
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| 12:26.57 | sml | Ashtars_fanclub: iptables will not cause firefox to crash. firefox aint that crap. |
| 12:27.21 | k00z | evancarroll: word. i got the doc - ill check that out later |
| 12:27.32 | EvanCarroll | I believe you Ashtars_fanclub, no faith in firefox =/ |
| 12:27.33 | Ashtars_fanclub | sml: maybe it doesnt crash rather wating for response that doesnt come |
| 12:28.08 | sml | Ashtars_fanclub: well check your iptable logs to see what its trying to do (and it being blocked) and if its harmless but a rule in to allow oit |
| 12:28.11 | bob2 | Ashtars_fanclub: you didn't do something stupid like put firewall rules on localhost, did you? |
| 12:28.12 | k00z | random question: any theories on having konqueror and firefox crash after hitting the back button a bunch? |
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| 12:28.31 | sml | bob2: or iptables -P OUTPUT DROP lol |
| 12:28.43 | EvanCarroll | k00z: bad xmodmap |
| 12:28.58 | bob2 | k00z: file a bug |
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| 12:29.06 | bob2 | assuming your ram is ok |
| 12:29.13 | EvanCarroll | k00z: or keyboard module |
| 12:29.39 | EvanCarroll | k00z: or a problem specific to the way the two cache the history, there are 3 theories |
| 12:29.49 | Ashtars_fanclub | -A INPUT --in-interface lo --source 127.0.0.0/8 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:30.04 | bob2 | EvanCarroll: why would you think xmodmap? |
| 12:30.11 | k00z | evancarroll: it works if i wait for everything to load each time i hit the back button - not if i queue it i guess.. |
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| 12:30.55 | mono | hey bob2 - i have a perl question for you |
| 12:31.00 | k00z | it doesn't really matter though - ill be switching to deb here the moment i can find a blank cd (i know i have one hanging around somewhere) |
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| 12:31.05 | mono | bob2, what does - Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail-main.pl mean? |
| 12:31.13 | bob2 | mono: that your script is broken |
| 12:31.14 | mono | bob2, i could never find that out |
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| 12:31.33 | mono | bob2, it is a brand new pkg that i downloaded. |
| 12:31.37 | bob2 | mono: apache expects scripts to print some standard stuff before they start spitting out html or whatever |
| 12:31.47 | bob2 | and that error means it didn't get it |
| 12:31.51 | thesaboteur | could be permissions |
| 12:32.21 | bob2 | thesaboteur: pretty sure that would give a different error |
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| 12:32.35 | thesaboteur | bob2: why? |
| 12:32.39 | mono | bob2, ideas how to resovle this one? |
| 12:32.45 | thesaboteur | bob2: it's happened before. |
| 12:32.46 | JAVI | maricones |
| 12:32.50 | bob2 | mono: fix the script |
| 12:32.57 | bob2 | mono: it may just be misconfigured |
| 12:33.24 | thesaboteur | premature end of script errors is a very misleading error message the majority of the time it has nothing to do with what's in the script. |
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| 12:33.33 | DocTrax__ | hi everybody |
| 12:33.48 | bob2 | thesaboteur: it says "Premature end of script headers", which is exactly what happened |
| 12:33.55 | bob2 | the headers the script emited were incomplete |
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| 12:34.00 | DocTrax__ | my debian says that there is a file called capiplugin.so missing |
| 12:34.11 | DocTrax__ | i am using pppd 2.4.3 |
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| 12:34.33 | DocTrax__ | which package contais that capiplugin.so? |
| 12:34.39 | JAVI | jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:34.42 | quitte | DocTrax__: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:34.43 | JAVI | colgaos |
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| 12:34.52 | Le_Vert | bonjour |
| 12:34.56 | DocTrax__ | i made a dist-upgrade |
| 12:35.06 | thesaboteur | k I still say its permissions |
| 12:35.09 | AMD_ | how do i tell bind to ONLY use tcp when doing dns lookups? i can't find an option for it. Reason is because my isp has a fubared dns server that most times responds in +500ms when using UDP, when i tell dig to use +tcp it responds in 20ms all the time. |
| 12:35.36 | bob2 | AMD_: I'm pretty sure that's not possible |
| 12:36.00 | DocTrax__ | i tried to copy the capiplugin.so from an older version of pppd but it failed |
| 12:36.10 | AMD_ | bob2, gotta be a way...else why would dig have the option to use tcp only ? |
| 12:36.12 | bob2 | !+find capiplugin.so |
| 12:36.14 | sevenoak | can i use the new cifs version 1.28 with POSIX support to get/set directory or file permission on shares from a w2k server? |
| 12:36.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'capiplugin.so' (1): (/usr/lib/pppd/2.4.0/capiplugin.so, /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.1/capiplugin.so, /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.2/capiplugin.so) in net/pppdcapiplugin. |
| 12:36.29 | bob2 | AMD_: doesn't dig include it's own resolver? |
| 12:36.33 | quitte | DocTrax__: of course it did. so you are using isdn for internet? |
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| 12:36.35 | bob2 | sevenoak: #samba or something |
| 12:36.46 | DocTrax__ | i am using fritz dsl |
| 12:36.48 | AMD_ | bob2: don't think so |
| 12:37.01 | DocTrax__ | /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.3 exactly/capiplugin.so |
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| 12:37.14 | quitte | DocTrax__: there - bob2 gave you the answer. install pppdcapiplugin |
| 12:37.22 | bob2 | DocTrax__: so, install pppdcapiplugin |
| 12:37.24 | mono | bob2, do you know what do i need to fix in that file (by any chance)? |
| 12:37.38 | DocTrax__ | ok thx |
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| 12:37.54 | sevenoak | bob2, good to know, i will ask there... |
| 12:37.55 | thesaboteur | mono: what are the permissions on your .pl file? |
| 12:38.41 | bob2 | mono: you need to fix the script |
| 12:38.43 | bob2 | it's broken |
| 12:38.47 | bob2 | maybe it's misconfigured |
| 12:38.48 | bob2 | maybe it's buggy |
| 12:38.57 | bob2 | look at your apache logs for a hint |
| 12:39.09 | mono | thesaboteur, -rwsr-xr-x |
| 12:39.17 | bob2 | haha |
| 12:39.18 | casper_ | Hi there. |
| 12:39.21 | bob2 | setuid cgi script |
| 12:39.22 | bob2 | ? |
| 12:39.32 | thesaboteur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.42 | thesaboteur | mono change to 755 |
| 12:39.44 | StartBuck | I seem to recall there being a package similar to "stow" that would instead create a deb of the installed files....does anyone know if such a package exists and what the name is? |
| 12:39.44 | mono | bob2, this is what my apache log tells me - Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail-main.pl |
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| 12:39.57 | bob2 | StartBuck: checkinstall |
| 12:40.21 | StartBuck | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 12:40.26 | casper_ | Can somebody soggest how to get and keep Sarge current with ability to update a number local machines? |
| 12:40.37 | bob2 | casper_: dsh. |
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| 12:40.52 | Kurniady | what line should I add to the /etc/apt/sources.list to use the current official online debian packages? |
| 12:40.55 | casper_ | bob2: ? |
| 12:40.56 | mono | thesaboteur, still get the same error |
| 12:41.02 | bob2 | casper_: apt-cache show dsh. |
| 12:41.08 | bob2 | casper_: or phrase your question better. |
| 12:41.16 | bob2 | ie be more specific. |
| 12:41.58 | thesaboteur | mono: who is the user/group of that .pl file? |
| 12:42.18 | k00z | so for the most minimal install i can get of debian imma supposed to download what and do which? |
| 12:42.24 | lzsilva | I have a list of 100 users, but all the names are in uppercase. there is any way to just leave the firts letters os name and last name in uppercase ? |
| 12:42.30 | lzsilva | using sed, ou awk... |
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| 12:42.52 | thesaboteur | lzsilva yes |
| 12:43.08 | lzsilva | ie: LINCOLN SILVA -> Lincoln Silva |
| 12:43.13 | _BIJ_ | hi @ all |
| 12:43.22 | _BIJ_ | how are you guys? |
| 12:43.59 | casper_ | bob2: Sarge is being rebuild every week. I can d/l CD1 install it on 10 computers in LAN. Can I then put this CD in public directory and update it to the entire recent Sarge version? And then update my 10 Debians from shared dir? I mean how this could be done? |
| 12:44.02 | lzsilva | thesaboteur, how ? |
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| 12:44.09 | mono | thesaboteur, root and root |
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| 12:44.56 | thesaboteur | mono: chown the file to webuser: webgroup, I don't know what they are you would have configured it at some point or you can find it in a config file. |
| 12:45.09 | bob2 | casper_: sarge is updated daily, yes. you can use the cd to seed apt-cacher, and then it will only download new packges as they appear. |
| 12:45.16 | bob2 | thesaboteur: er, no |
| 12:45.31 | bob2 | making cgi scripts owned by www-data is stupid |
| 12:45.38 | meggs | jo |
| 12:45.48 | thesaboteur | bob2 he should leave them as owned by root? |
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| 12:45.56 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:46.08 | _BIJ_ | i've got a problem starting up my mysql database... it crashs sayin error 2002 ... can anybody pleas help me? |
| 12:46.11 | casper_ | bob2: do I need to do this for every computer, or I can't update one and update others from it? |
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| 12:46.24 | thesaboteur | bob2: erm.. ok |
| 12:46.51 | bob2 | _BIJ_: no |
| 12:46.56 | bob2 | no one can help with such little information |
| 12:47.15 | bob2 | casper_: you run apt-cacher on one central machine and configure all the others (in /etc/apt/sources.list) to use it as their apt source |
| 12:47.26 | bob2 | if the package they ask for is downloaded, they get it right away |
| 12:47.31 | bob2 | if not, they get it when it's downloaded |
| 12:47.44 | Gathond | _BIJ_: the mysql manual |
| 12:47.52 | casper_ | bob2: Thanks |
| 12:47.57 | _BIJ_ | bob2: i know but before i flood this chat with my problem i wanted to know if there's someone willing to help me :-) |
| 12:48.04 | Gathond | _BIJ_: one would assume they have a description of what error 2002 is |
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| 12:48.22 | Gathond | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/can-not-connect-to-server.html actually |
| 12:48.31 | thesaboteur | lol |
| 12:48.41 | _BIJ_ | my mysql database was running until i ve apt-get distupgraded my system... |
| 12:48.56 | Gathond | _BIJ_: well apparently that is no longer the case |
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| 12:49.09 | Gathond | _BIJ_: or at least whatever tries to connect cant |
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| 12:49.19 | Kurniady | how can I upgrade to a new kernel with apt-get? (i.e running 2.4.18 and looking to update it to 2.4.28) |
| 12:49.34 | _BIJ_ | i get 2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/opt/lampp/var/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 12:49.35 | Zrin | in aptitude - why are all packages automatically markes as being held at current version? |
| 12:49.39 | bob2 | Kurniady: on woody? www.backports.org |
| 12:49.45 | bob2 | _BIJ_: you compiled it yourself? #mysql. |
| 12:49.56 | qwertz | Trying to get a connection to my firms exchange server using evolution with connector. but everytime I enter the password evolution locks up for ever not even redrawing it's screen - any suggestions? |
| 12:49.58 | Jacco | Hai. |
| 12:50.01 | jim | Kurniady: you can build it yourself, or try to find out if there is a 2.4.28 packaged |
| 12:50.02 | _BIJ_ | bob2: no i use lampp |
| 12:50.15 | bob2 | _BIJ_: right, so you're not even using mysql from Debian |
| 12:50.18 | bob2 | _BIJ_: #mysql |
| 12:50.21 | bob2 | it's not a Debian problem |
| 12:50.23 | Gathond | _BIJ_: and that socket file exists? mysqld is running? |
| 12:50.39 | Jacco | isn't there some kind of auto-detect I can use?? |
| 12:50.41 | _BIJ_ | no the socketfile is not created |
| 12:50.53 | jim | jacco: /msg apt sicco |
| 12:51.01 | Gathond | _BIJ_: then mysql is 1. not running 2. not having the socket file in that location |
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| 12:51.20 | Gnea | meh.. this is so frustrating.. i can't seem to find the right POSTROUTING rule for iptables to make it do what i need it to do |
| 12:51.20 | _BIJ_ | bob2: apparently the debian mysql database wont even startup with the same error message |
| 12:51.20 | Jacco | jim, what's that do? |
| 12:51.22 | Jacco | Nothing happeneing here. |
| 12:51.22 | blue_ | how do you see what version apt has |
| 12:51.28 | Jacco | oh,t |
| 12:51.30 | Jacco | there it goes. |
| 12:51.36 | _BIJ_ | Gathond: yes |
| 12:51.44 | Gnea | blue_: apt-get --version |
| 12:52.00 | Kurniady | jim : what should the packaged binary of the kernel package named? |
| 12:52.02 | Jacco | what is sicco? |
| 12:52.14 | Gnea | sicco? |
| 12:52.17 | Jacco | Yes. |
| 12:52.20 | Gnea | ... |
| 12:52.23 | blue_ | Gnea: no what version of a certain file |
| 12:52.28 | _BIJ_ | in the sql errorfile the following is written: 050228 10:23:08 mysqld started |
| 12:52.28 | _BIJ_ | 050228 10:23:08 [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied |
| 12:52.28 | _BIJ_ | 050228 10:23:08 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /opt/lampp/var/mysql/mysql.sock ? |
| 12:52.28 | _BIJ_ | 050228 10:23:08 [ERROR] Aborting |
| 12:52.29 | _BIJ_ | 050228 10:23:08 [Note] /opt/lampp/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete |
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| 12:52.39 | jim | Kurniady: kernel-image-2.4.28* |
| 12:52.43 | Gnea | blue_: file or package? |
| 12:52.47 | Jacco | Gnea: I don't know what it is! |
| 12:52.47 | blue_ | package |
| 12:52.50 | Jacco | I'm new! |
| 12:52.55 | idimmu | why use lampp and not debian packages? |
| 12:52.59 | Gnea | apt-cache show <packagename> |
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| 12:53.04 | Jacco | oh, and btw last time I used apt-get to install alien it removed all my packages. |
| 12:53.05 | blue_ | thanks |
| 12:53.12 | jim | Jacco: ask the apt bot about sicco |
| 12:53.16 | _BIJ_ | sorry i forgot not to flood |
| 12:53.16 | bob2 | _BIJ_: er |
| 12:53.23 | bob2 | _BIJ_: read the log message |
| 12:53.24 | Kurniady | jim: okay, thanks :) |
| 12:53.25 | Jacco | <apt> Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 12:53.27 | jim | _BIJ_: hah. |
| 12:53.32 | Jacco | oooh. |
| 12:53.33 | Jacco | lol |
| 12:53.36 | Jacco | I'm slow to day. |
| 12:53.38 | Jacco | sorry. |
| 12:53.38 | Jacco | ; |
| 12:53.39 | Gnea | so yeah |
| 12:53.40 | jim | yesssss |
| 12:53.40 | Jacco | *;x |
| 12:53.49 | Gathond | _BIJ_: so it does not have permission to make that socket, fix that :) |
| 12:53.49 | jim | that's being sicco |
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| 12:54.08 | _BIJ_ | Gathond: how can i fix this? |
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| 12:54.19 | Jacco | I am running Debian (woody) on my virtual PC. It is choking on the video drivers. I'm using Connectix Virtual PC. What driver should I use? |
| 12:54.27 | bob2 | Jacco: vesa |
| 12:54.34 | _BIJ_ | i ll post the mysql errorlogfile into flood |
| 12:54.38 | Jacco | bob2: I already tried that. |
| 12:54.38 | bob2 | Jacco: also, presumably MS gives you support in exchange for your cash |
| 12:54.52 | Gnea | guess i should follow that advice as well ;P got this server i'm working on and it has multiple ip's to multiple routes - there's a default route but we don't want SMTP traffic to head out from it, rather we want it to head out of the destination ip that relates to the MX record |
| 12:55.12 | Gnea | now, obviously, getting the ip from the MX isn't a problem since we're also handling the DNS |
| 12:55.13 | bob2 | Gnea: configure your MTA thusly |
| 12:55.35 | Gnea | bob2: it's running exim4 and is only *listening* on those ip's, as well as localhost |
| 12:55.42 | Gathond | _BIJ_: you have pasted enough all ready, reasons that pop into mind: not having write access to the directory, not having access to enter the directory, not having access to make unix sockets (probably unlikely), perhaps others |
| 12:56.01 | bob2 | Gnea: it doesn't take an option for which ip to use outgoing? |
| 12:56.29 | Gnea | NAFAIK unless it's a new feature i hadn't read about |
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| 12:56.40 | bob2 | you can use iptables + iproute2 to do it |
| 12:56.44 | bob2 | as a last resort |
| 12:57.00 | _BIJ_ | Gathond: i've set the directory to 777 :-/ |
| 12:57.04 | Jacco | It died. |
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| 12:57.26 | Jacco | (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 12:57.44 | Jacco | (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a |
| 12:57.46 | streuner_ | well, got a bug in bittornado-gui, no bug-report yet? |
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| 12:57.50 | Kurniady | jim: if I'm using Pentium 4, then I should take the i686 version of the kernel, right? |
| 12:57.59 | Jacco | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 12:58.03 | Jacco | :( |
| 12:58.08 | Jacco | That didn't work. |
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| 12:58.12 | bob2 | Jacco: /msg dpkg lazy x |
| 12:58.16 | idimmu | any ideas when php5 is going to be released as an official package? |
| 12:58.19 | bob2 | Jacco: but really, you don't get support from MS? |
| 12:58.23 | streuner_ | Jacco: what videocard do you have? |
| 12:58.25 | idimmu | or is 'when its less shit' a likely answer? |
| 12:58.27 | bob2 | idimmu: search the debian-devel list archives |
| 12:58.31 | Jacco | bob2: Are you kidding? |
| 12:58.31 | idimmu | ok |
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| 12:58.34 | bob2 | piotr posted his plans |
| 12:58.39 | idimmu | cheers |
| 12:58.39 | Gnea | bob2: well i would like to figure out how to do that as well - i've tried various routing mechanisms in conjunction with marks and have come up with nothing but /dev/null'd packets |
| 12:58.40 | bob2 | Jacco: MS owns Connectix |
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| 12:59.09 | _BIJ_ | Gathond: the error could really be that i have no rights to create sockets... but i've logged in as root... hmm |
| 12:59.09 | Gnea | rather, emails that wind up just sitting there going nowhere |
| 12:59.20 | bob2 | Gnea: hm, I don't know the specifics, but aiui setting marks using iptables and then iproute's policy routing wis the way to go |
| 12:59.31 | Jacco | bob2: I'm not even sure M$ supports this old version of vpc. |
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| 12:59.33 | Jacco | ;x |
| 12:59.41 | DocTrax | it worked |
| 12:59.46 | DocTrax | tx |
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| 12:59.58 | Gnea | bob2: is there a document that explains this in great detail? i haven't been able to find one via google at all :/ |
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| 13:00.09 | bob2 | Gnea: if there was, it'd be on www.lartc.org |
| 13:00.20 | bob2 | Gnea: #lartc on irc.oftc.net has smart if quiet folks |
| 13:00.30 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:00.38 | Gnea | smart, but are they intelligent? ;) |
| 13:01.30 | jarmo | is jetscreamer online? |
| 13:01.33 | jarmo | or nearby =D |
| 13:01.38 | xk | bloody great... I bought an athlon64 setup... but eventually realized my PSU from my 1999 box doesn't have the 12V lead for the CPU. |
| 13:01.43 | Gnea | !seen jetscreamer |
| 13:01.44 | dpkg | jetscreamer is currently on #debian (3h 3m 51s) #debian-bots (3h 3m 51s). Has said a total of 29138 messages. Is idling for 2h 20m 29s |
| 13:01.51 | jarmo | yepyep |
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| 13:02.33 | Jacco | hmm.... |
| 13:02.39 | Jacco | it appears to be installing well |
| 13:02.41 | jarmo | does dcgui_qt anymore install with apt-get, I just couldn't get it working, says that package not available |
| 13:02.44 | Jacco | *knocks on shell* |
| 13:02.50 | Gnea | kumnaa: with a hostname like that, that's just asking for it ;) |
| 13:02.57 | Jacco | Thanks, bob2 |
| 13:03.01 | kumnaa | :( |
| 13:03.01 | Gnea | j/k |
| 13:03.04 | Gnea | heh |
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| 13:03.39 | bob2 | package names never ever contained _ in them |
| 13:03.40 | _BIJ_ | does anyone know how to set permissions to create sockets? |
| 13:03.43 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 13:03.54 | bob2 | _BIJ_: dude |
| 13:03.58 | jarmo | well even if it ever dcgui-qt still not working |
| 13:03.59 | bob2 | this is normal unix permission stuff |
| 13:04.06 | rdancer | in a fresh sarge install, /dev contains only few dozen entries; in particular, /dev/tty* are missing -- what's wrong? |
| 13:04.08 | bob2 | blah |
| 13:04.11 | jarmo | and couldn't find it with search |
| 13:04.27 | jarmo | so it doesn't exist anymore or? |
| 13:04.38 | _BIJ_ | bob2 ok so what=! |
| 13:04.41 | bob2 | or or or or ! |
| 13:04.41 | rdancer | !tell jarmo about search |
| 13:04.45 | bob2 | do my work for me! |
| 13:04.52 | Jacco | uhoh. |
| 13:04.58 | xk | I miss t font from the slackware days :( |
| 13:05.03 | Jacco | It exited out of the configurer. |
| 13:05.09 | bob2 | dcgui-qt - graphical client for Direct Connect |
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| 13:05.15 | bob2 | it's in Debian |
| 13:05.21 | bob2 | if you can't get it, fix your apt setup |
| 13:05.27 | xk | which package contains console fonts that can be set by setfont? |
| 13:05.54 | jarmo | and how's that? |
| 13:05.59 | Kurniady | is it a way to convert a reiserFS 3.6 filesystem to 4.* ? |
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| 13:06.02 | _BIJ_ | hey bob2 i've never asked you to do my work! ok?!! |
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| 13:06.16 | xk | Kurniady: no. other than backing up, formatting, and moving it back. |
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| 13:06.25 | jarmo | howto fix it =) |
| 13:06.28 | Jacco | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 13:06.46 | bob2 | god |
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| 13:06.53 | Jacco | ;O |
| 13:06.53 | jarmo | .. |
| 13:07.02 | Jacco | ... |
| 13:07.04 | _BIJ_ | i just have no clue how to get mysql running after apt-get distupgrade messed it! |
| 13:07.16 | Jacco | Did he leave because of me? |
| 13:07.18 | Jacco | o_O |
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| 13:07.26 | directhex|work | yes. |
| 13:07.27 | jarmo | well, maybe someone is too genious to help me newbie |
| 13:07.49 | jarmo | have to stop using then this.. |
| 13:07.55 | jarmo | bye then \o |
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| 13:08.10 | _BIJ_ | bob2 seems to be very arrogant |
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| 13:08.43 | xk | t font! I want it back! |
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| 13:08.57 | Kurniady | xk : which version of kernel does support ReiserFS 4? |
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| 13:09.22 | PerfDave | !seen PerfDave |
| 13:09.23 | dpkg | perfdave is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 19082 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 13:09.27 | quitte | Kurniady: none so far afaik. you have to patch a kernel yourself |
| 13:09.27 | Marijn | Kurniady: is Reiser4 Stable ? |
| 13:09.32 | xk | Kurniady: a recent 2.6.x kernel maybe |
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| 13:10.17 | Kurniady | so.. 2.4.27 still use ReiserFS 3.6? |
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| 13:10.45 | quitte | Kurniady: reiser3 and 4 are not compatible. |
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| 13:11.00 | quitte | Kurniady: even 2.6.10 still supports reiser3 |
| 13:11.28 | Kurniady | then I'll stick with reiser3 :) |
| 13:11.47 | xk | where can I change the flush interval for block devices on 2.6.x? |
| 13:11.52 | quitte | i will switch - as soon as a resize.reiser4 exists |
| 13:11.58 | Kurniady | oh yes, which version of the kernel support bluetooth? |
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| 13:12.20 | quitte | somewhere in 2.6. just use .10 |
| 13:12.26 | xk | .11 is out |
| 13:12.31 | quitte | oh? |
| 13:12.47 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.58 | quitte | hehe i believe you. |
| 13:13.00 | xk | looks like timriker fixed it up. |
| 13:13.01 | stew | or just use 2.6.8-2 |
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| 13:13.05 | quitte | but i do not use vanilla |
| 13:13.09 | XeLoN | Hi guys, how can i see the installed programs on debian? |
| 13:13.18 | xk | XeLoN: dpkg --list |
| 13:13.21 | e2e | Hi, after an upgrade i have a problem with one of my machines ssh daemon, i can't connect that machine, it gives Permission denied (publickey) error, i've google'd, but couldn't find any solution |
| 13:13.27 | XeLoN | xk : thanks |
| 13:13.49 | nevyn | e2e: are you trying to ssh as root? |
| 13:13.52 | e2e | It don't asks any pasword just gives Permission denied (publickey) error |
| 13:14.17 | e2e | nevyn: It doesn't matter, i've tried both, as user and as root, both same |
| 13:14.17 | xk | are you using ssh1 client on an ssh2 only server? |
| 13:14.26 | Gumby | does anyone in here know much about Logical Volume Management? I have one setup right now with two full disks and one partition on another. I will be changing the OS of this pc. Will I run into any issues anywhere with data loss on the LVM for any reason? |
| 13:14.32 | XeLoN | xk : well, is there any commands after "dpkg --list" to save the output in a file? |
| 13:14.32 | stew | e2e: try ssh -v and see it gives you any clues |
| 13:14.33 | e2e | xk: ssh2 only |
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| 13:14.48 | Nermal | any idea what package I need to install to get /usr/share/dict/words ? |
| 13:14.54 | xk | XeLoN: standard unix knowledge.... "dpkg --list > blah.txt" |
| 13:15.00 | tinkerer | please people: |
| 13:15.10 | XeLoN | xk : thanks again. I'm a beginner :) |
| 13:15.11 | stew | !debug sshd |
| 13:15.11 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 13:15.11 | xk | Nermal: /msg dpkg find dict/words$ |
| 13:15.23 | tinkerer | how can I search for file XYZ in packages to know which package |
| 13:15.23 | Nermal | xk, ah :) |
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| 13:15.30 | tinkerer | have file XYZ in it? |
| 13:15.33 | tinkerer | with apt |
| 13:15.50 | xk | tinkerer: installed package or not? |
| 13:15.58 | tinkerer | xk: not installed |
| 13:16.15 | tinkerer | I want to know answer for question: |
| 13:16.25 | tinkerer | "which pkg to install if I want file XYZ?" |
| 13:16.33 | xk | tinkerer: well... only way I know is with dpkg the bot on this channel... but I'm sure there is a debian system way |
| 13:16.35 | e2e | stew: http://paste.phpfi.com/53112 |
| 13:16.51 | xk | tinkerer: /msg dpkg find FILE |
| 13:17.00 | tinkerer | thx |
| 13:17.02 | stew | Nermal: apt-cache rdepends dictionaries-common, you need to pick a language from there, maybe wamerican-large |
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| 13:17.30 | quitte | tinkerer: apt-file |
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| 13:17.51 | tinkerer | quitte: ok, I will try to read man |
| 13:18.06 | stew | e2e: are you intending to use publickey or password? |
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| 13:18.36 | quitte | tinkerer: no - don't try to read. Read. and try to understand. |
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| 13:19.29 | e2e | stew: It's not important, since this box in LAN, i can use publickey or password, so any of them doesn't work, or i can't get it work |
| 13:19.51 | tinkerer | quitte: you're right :) |
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| 13:22.30 | stew | e2e: it seems that the servers ssh is not allowing password for some reason, you probably changed something in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, it also seems like you have a permissions problem, probably in ~/.ssh, the .ssh directory should be 700 and the files in there should be 600 |
| 13:22.43 | Nermal | thanks stew |
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| 13:22.53 | Kurniady | is it generally a good idea to compile a kernel myself rather than using the available kernel-image? |
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| 13:23.00 | bob2 | no |
| 13:23.08 | bob2 | if you have to ask, don't bother |
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| 13:24.12 | d0rt | unless of course you see it as an opportunity to learn something |
| 13:24.27 | jarmo | bob2, how was that fix thingy to apt ? |
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| 13:24.32 | muep | how do I renew a dhcp connection? |
| 13:24.37 | tub | or some device doesn't work with available kernel-image |
| 13:24.37 | bob2 | jarmo: I don't know what that sentence means |
| 13:24.43 | e2e | stew: I have set ~/.ssh permissions to 755 but it couldn't do any changes, and also /dev/tty's permissions... As i said, this happened after an upgrade, so sshd should be changed the conf file |
| 13:25.00 | jarmo | you said "fix your apt" when I asked why can't I install with apt-get dcgui-qt |
| 13:25.13 | greycat | apt-get needs a verb after it. |
| 13:25.20 | bob2 | yes, your apt config is broken |
| 13:25.20 | jarmo | .. |
| 13:25.25 | bob2 | no, I can't fix it, since I can't see it |
| 13:25.25 | quitte | jarmo no, he asked you to fix apts sources.list |
| 13:25.34 | jarmo | so how's that? |
| 13:25.34 | bob2 | perhaps you forgot to paste it to #flood |
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| 13:25.42 | greycat | jarmo: man sources.list |
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| 13:25.49 | jarmo | not that smart.. |
| 13:25.54 | jarmo | can be found from? |
| 13:25.59 | greycat | jarmo: man sources.list |
| 13:26.06 | bob2 | 23:25:35 bob2 | perhaps you forgot to paste it to #flood |
| 13:26.08 | jarmo | just type that? |
| 13:26.10 | Lonely | hello guys, can anyone running testing with php Version: 4:4.3.10-8 try this for me ? |
| 13:26.17 | bob2 | that's as obvious as I get, sadly |
| 13:26.19 | quitte | d'oh |
| 13:26.26 | Lonely | echo "<a href=\"(\"\")\">\n"; |
| 13:26.39 | Lonely | i'm getting a wrong output and i'm afraid i'm hitting a bug |
| 13:26.57 | bob2 | that url is broken, anyway |
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| 13:27.09 | bob2 | href="("")" is stupid |
| 13:27.14 | greycat | <a href="("")"> |
| 13:27.19 | greycat | what the hell is that supposed to do? |
| 13:27.41 | xk | greycat: I got the athlon64 hardware... but I didn't realize I needed a new PSU with a 12V power cable for the CPU, heh. |
| 13:27.41 | Lonely | i know it's stupid, but i'm getting <a href="(")> |
| 13:27.53 | Lonely | i donno what's the problem |
| 13:28.04 | greycat | Lonely: try #php or file a bug |
| 13:28.19 | Lonely | greycat: no one there helped |
| 13:28.23 | greycat | xk: ugh. sorry to hear that. |
| 13:28.29 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 13:28.29 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:28.34 | Lonely | i don't think it's a bug since i'm the only one affected by the problem |
| 13:28.44 | xk | lol |
| 13:28.45 | Lonely | i'll get mod php from unstable ! |
| 13:28.47 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:28.47 | xk | there's a factoid for everything. |
| 13:28.49 | quitte | Lonely why is there no \ before (? |
| 13:28.51 | bob2 | feel the love |
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| 13:29.02 | Lonely | quitte: it's not required! |
| 13:29.08 | greycat | !factstats author |
| 13:29.11 | jarmo | so what kinda url should I add and how.. sorry for beign such an asshole, but I really don't know.. |
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| 13:29.23 | bob2 | jarmo: ffs |
| 13:29.24 | greycat | jarmo: just run apt-setup and then read the man pages if you need to modify it. |
| 13:29.30 | bob2 | jarmo: paste it to #flood |
| 13:29.35 | pureone | !version |
| 13:29.35 | dpkg | version is probably Debian = Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r4 "Woody" | dpkg = blootbot |
| 13:29.36 | Kurniady | other than BlueZ, is there any simpler bluetooth driver for linux? |
| 13:29.51 | xk | greycat: I think an index on the author column would speed it up dramatically ;) |
| 13:30.00 | Lonely | ok thanks guys |
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| 13:30.08 | bob2 | Kurniady: simpler in what sense? |
| 13:30.11 | xk | unless it went to /msg |
| 13:30.14 | greycat | xk: I don't even know whether it accepted that, or whether I misspelled it, or whether it's just broken |
| 13:30.22 | greycat | xk: it didn't reply to me at all |
| 13:30.35 | sKaBoy | !ops DeLta is spamming |
| 13:30.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DeLta is spamming |
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| 13:30.41 | jarmo | well that was enough easy even for me to understand =) |
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| 13:30.58 | bob2 | hm |
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| 13:30.58 | bob2 | that's interesting |
| 13:31.18 | greycat | xk: the ident/username responses are random. |
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| 13:31.32 | xk | hrm... |
| 13:31.38 | Kurniady | bob2 : i.e it don't require kernel re-building or kernel-upgrade, because I'm using it only for dialing a bluetooth modem |
| 13:31.45 | bob2 | greycat: and that's a dynamic hostname |
| 13:31.54 | greycat | we've been getting these spambots for at least half a year now. they seem to be centered in Turkey. |
| 13:32.03 | xk | if they're spamming.. they're probably a zombie host anyway. |
| 13:32.08 | directhex|work | we had complaints when all of turkey was +b |
| 13:32.17 | bob2 | very few |
| 13:32.20 | pureone | god damn zombies |
| 13:32.26 | bob2 | less than the complaints about spambots we get now |
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| 13:32.59 | da_bon_bon | is there any way to run visual studio 6 undr linux, with say, wine ? |
| 13:33.04 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: bah |
| 13:33.18 | greycat | da_bon_bon: try it. if it didn't work, then ask #winehq. |
| 13:33.29 | pureone | why would you want to do that bon bon? |
| 13:33.29 | bob2 | this "OMG LOLZ LETS ASK THE SAME QUESTION IN #DEBIAN AND #UBUNTU WHILE BOB2 IS ALREADY ANSWERING IN ONE OF THEM LOLZ" thing is fucking stupid |
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| 13:33.40 | greycat | bob2: they do it to me in #bash/#debian too. |
| 13:33.44 | Gnea | KTHXBBQ |
| 13:33.45 | da_bon_bon | bob2: u r here too :) |
| 13:33.51 | xk | ahaha |
| 13:33.56 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:33.58 | jim | da_bon_bon: why bother? there are better compilers in linux anyway |
| 13:34.14 | bob2 | greycat: I believe that's reason #433423 to use zsh ;-) |
| 13:34.20 | greycat | oh, "visual studio" is a compiler? sheesh. |
| 13:34.22 | Gnea | oo! oo! eye yam nawt hunting wabbits today! |
| 13:34.31 | Gnea | eye yam hunting twolls! |
| 13:34.32 | bob2 | it's an IDE with a compiler |
| 13:34.39 | bob2 | since everything on windows has to be monolithic |
| 13:34.40 | da_bon_bon | jim: our stupid school uses visual basicc |
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| 13:34.44 | Gnea | ok |
| 13:34.48 | greycat | bob2: probably for an object oriented language, right? *shudder* |
| 13:34.52 | pureone | even if you managed to get it to work in linux it would compile win32 exec files.... |
| 13:34.55 | greycat | OO is a fucking disease. |
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| 13:35.10 | bob2 | greycat: hah, it is now |
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| 13:35.17 | jim | da_bon_bon: ask them what's so visual about it... and what's so basic about it... |
| 13:35.19 | bob2 | for years VB was "I-can't-believe-it's-not-OOP" |
| 13:35.25 | Gnea | da_bon_bon: have you installed wine? |
| 13:35.29 | xk | sit on this object and orientate yourself sideways |
| 13:35.32 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: just dual boot, or try qemu with windows inside |
| 13:35.43 | bob2 | well-deployed OOP can work well |
| 13:35.55 | bob2 | but not "OMG LETS MAKE THIS DERIVE FROM YO MOMMAM" crap |
| 13:36.12 | da_bon_bon | bob2: i will try vmware |
| 13:36.15 | bob2 | I think the trick is to make people read the Patterns book first |
| 13:36.17 | Gnea | but we're so GOOD at reinventing the wheel |
| 13:36.24 | bob2 | then they can't do so much damaga |
| 13:36.34 | Gnea | i wouldn't be so sure about that |
| 13:36.40 | Gnea | damage is relative |
| 13:36.50 | jim | OMG YO MOMMAM ISN"T A GOOD DERIVER... she got a speeding ticket... |
| 13:36.58 | Gnea | lol |
| 13:37.04 | bob2 | well, they'll either snap out of it and become useful, or spend so long finding the right pattern to use that they don't write any code |
| 13:37.28 | Gnea | jim: a ticket is one thing, getting her license taken away is completely different :) |
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| 13:37.59 | Gnea | bob2: that is a fair assessment |
| 13:38.09 | jim | Gnea: yeah, then no one has to worry about her deriving anymiore |
| 13:38.31 | Gnea | jim: unless she decides to get drunk or cracked out and steal someone's keys |
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| 13:38.39 | bob2 | but python made me into an OO-hippie :/ |
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| 13:38.46 | WageSlave | laff I'm investigating the proxy attempts on my apache installation... and it ends up leading back to the proxy scan from this irc server. |
| 13:39.10 | WageSlave | duh |
| 13:39.11 | WageSlave | lolo |
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| 13:39.40 | ircdevil | is png compression "lossy" ? |
| 13:39.44 | Gnea | WageSlave: sounds like you've got the situation contained. nice |
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| 13:39.54 | jim | WageSlave: how do you mean? |
| 13:39.56 | RichiH | WageSlave: our proxyscanners rdns to proxyscanner.freenode or something |
| 13:40.02 | bob2 | ircdevil: no |
| 13:40.06 | ircdevil | k |
| 13:40.07 | xk | png is lossless |
| 13:40.13 | WageSlave | Yea I just had the IP in my logwatch reports. |
| 13:40.21 | WageSlave | I don't reverse the logs. |
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| 13:40.36 | WageSlave | I just thought it was funny. |
| 13:40.56 | WageSlave | I use mod proxy on my apache, so I was worried I hadn't locked it up right. |
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| 13:41.10 | jim | oic... so you discoveed that attempts to use an open proxy on your box came from freenode |
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| 13:41.17 | WageSlave | yea |
| 13:41.22 | Lonely | it's a firefox bug |
| 13:41.23 | Gnea | bob2: this is amusing. they finally updated the version number from 0.16.999.001 to 0.16.999.002 |
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| 13:41.34 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:41.35 | Lonely | konqueror and wget are getting it correct |
| 13:41.38 | WageSlave | pretty obvious is you whois 82.96.96.3 |
| 13:41.47 | Gnea | freshly compiled |
| 13:41.52 | Gnea | and running like a champ |
| 13:41.59 | inc|freaky | hi all. im trying to install debian-amd64 ... but whichever mirror i use (selected from the menu after selecting ftp as medium (netinstall)) it tells me it cant find the directories and files it is looking for. i even tried editing sources.list by hand and insterted debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/gcc3.4 sarge main contrib non-free but it doesnt work - always the same error that it cant find the |
| 13:42.02 | inc|freaky | directories and files :\ |
| 13:42.11 | Gnea | inc|freaky: #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:42.18 | RichiH | WageSlave: ah, so they are running on jonas' boxen |
| 13:42.20 | jarmo | why's this : "changing the attributes of files is not supported with protocol devices" haven't got enough permissions or? |
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| 13:42.47 | xk | inc|freaky: I'll be messing around with that tomorrow, once I get my PSU with the 12V cable, heh. |
| 13:42.59 | inc|freaky | xk: heh ;) |
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| 13:43.50 | inc|freaky | i got another question: when i installed another grub from another debian install (one 32-bit (Default, first installed) then 64-bit ... how can i use the configuration of the 32-bit version? ... well, i just want to change the order of the items appearing in the menu ... 32 should be default, not 64 |
| 13:44.31 | xk | inc|freaky: that's something I'd like to know about... grub. |
| 13:44.44 | Gnea | inc|freaky: that'd be the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and just read it, it's self-explanatory |
| 13:44.55 | inc|freaky | Gnea: k, thx ;D |
| 13:44.58 | xk | is there only one grub installed, irrelevent if it's 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 13:45.12 | inc|freaky | i dont know which configuration file its reading |
| 13:45.32 | xk | inc|freaky: change one config... reboot, see if it changed or not. |
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| 13:45.50 | Gnea | inc|freaky: it's always going to read /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:45.58 | RichiH | inc|freaky: i have a hunch your sources.list is broken or it is referring to a different repo. the debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/gcc3.4 should work |
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| 13:46.25 | Gnea | RichiH: that's why i directed him to the proper channel. |
| 13:46.25 | RichiH | inc|freaky: oh wait, did you do debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/gcc3.4 or debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/gcc3.4/ ? |
| 13:46.30 | inc|freaky | RichiH: there is nothing broken and some other guy from #debian-amd64 said he was running into the same problem with another guy yesterday and they didnt get it to work |
| 13:46.39 | inc|freaky | without the trainling / |
| 13:46.48 | xk | inc|freaky: so what's the deal with grub... will a 32bit one work irrelevent if it's 32/64 bit? |
| 13:46.51 | RichiH | inc|freaky: that would by why, then |
| 13:47.02 | inc|freaky | RichiH: what do you mean? |
| 13:47.10 | RichiH | Gnea: well, there is no rule against helping him in here ;) |
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| 13:47.18 | inc|freaky | Gnea: umm, in that file is no entry for the 64-bit version? |
| 13:47.19 | RichiH | inc|freaky: try with a trailing slash |
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| 13:47.46 | Gnea | inc|freaky: if there isn't then create one - all you're doing is telling it what kernel to boot |
| 13:47.48 | inc|freaky | RichiH: did that allready - it doesnt work ... its looking for some files in binary-amd64 and some other leading directories in front of it |
| 13:48.13 | inc|freaky | Gnea: but the 64-bit version is displayed - i think grub is currently using the config file from the 64-bit version |
| 13:48.17 | Snowdog | Anybody here ever get one of those Compact Flash IDE devices to work? |
| 13:48.41 | Snowdog | I've got a colleague who is trying to set up a firewall, but its complaining about hard drive geometry. |
| 13:48.44 | aphisone | I'm trying out Screem to edit websites, there is a feature using CVS to manage site update... but I don't know how to use CVS... it's asking for CVS Root... what data is it asking for? |
| 13:49.19 | WageSlave | I've gotten several usb card readers to work... never seen an ide one. |
| 13:49.23 | simonrvn | man if i could take a BFG 9000 to every zombified host out there.... |
| 13:49.23 | inc|freaky | Gnea: the 32-bit sarge is under "other operating systems" |
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| 13:49.39 | Gnea | inc|freaky: have you heard of vim? |
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| 13:49.59 | RichiH | inc|freaky: paste your sources.list to #flood |
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| 13:50.14 | xk | WageSlave: compactflash is basically an ide interface, heh. |
| 13:50.37 | Chest | guys, I have a certance ide-tape drive installed that I *thought* was using /dev/st0, but it isnt. Is there anyway to find out to which device in /dev it's attached too? |
| 13:50.38 | Gnea | xk: funny, it's scsi here |
| 13:50.45 | aphisone | dose anyone know anything about CVS |
| 13:50.51 | Marciano | debian in spanish ??? |
| 13:50.54 | xk | Gnea: I meant the physical socket. |
| 13:51.01 | Gnea | xk: oh, that'd be usb |
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| 13:51.13 | arthur | on a mix of testing-unstable with additional source, when i do a dist-upgrade apt says a large number of paquets should be removed, does anyone know how to find the problematic package? |
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| 13:51.20 | xk | no... the compactflash card itself... has an ide interface plug |
| 13:51.26 | xk | just a different size. |
| 13:51.34 | Gnea | o.O |
| 13:51.44 | xk | and integrated power.... like a laptop hd. |
| 13:51.45 | Marciano | debian in spanish ??? |
| 13:51.55 | Gnea | Marciano: #debian-es |
| 13:51.55 | jm_ | Chest: IDE tape devices are /dev/ht* |
| 13:52.01 | simonrvn | !spanish |
| 13:52.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:52.06 | jm_ | Chest: and obviously nht* |
| 13:52.06 | inc|freaky | RichiH: i have only a deb and a deb-src added by hand, the entry im using is deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.org/gcc3.4 sarge main contrib non-free <-- and deb-src ... umm, im using the netinstall.iso it just cant find the directories on the mirros when you use netinstall, it asks you for a method to use - ftp/http etc. when i select ftp it shows me a list of mirrors i select my country and it |
| 13:52.07 | Marciano | grax |
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| 13:52.15 | WageSlave | I would guess thats why you have to mount them, but when someone sez IDE I think of how it connects to the machine. |
| 13:52.16 | Chest | jm:so it should be /dev/ht0? |
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| 13:52.28 | jm_ | Chest: I wouldn't know, check dmesg, or /proc/devices |
| 13:52.28 | inc|freaky | shows me the mirrors ... no matter which i select, it says that the files arent on the mirrors |
| 13:52.33 | greycat | Chest: dmesg | grep ht |
| 13:52.39 | inc|freaky | i tried using the above one then |
| 13:52.47 | inc|freaky | and it doesnt work either because it cant find the files |
| 13:52.49 | minimec | Hi folks. I have a problem with my modem connection. I can connecct to my provider but I have no data transfer. It seems to be a problem with the default route. |
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| 13:52.53 | inc|freaky | or even the directories |
| 13:53.01 | Gnea | WageSlave: yeah, the lines can get blurry at times |
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| 13:53.40 | XeLoN | which way is best? installing kernel by compiling from source? or by apt-get install? |
| 13:53.51 | Gnea | XeLoN: define 'best' |
| 13:53.54 | WageSlave | hehe |
| 13:53.57 | Gnea | :) |
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| 13:54.14 | Chest | greycat: ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: Seagate STT3401A rev 310A |
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| 13:54.21 | greycat | well there ya go then. |
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| 13:54.21 | XeLoN | Gnea : I dont know :) . what should I do? |
| 13:54.29 | WageSlave | if you have to ask that XeLoN you should prolly stick with apt-get install |
| 13:54.32 | WageSlave | ;-) |
| 13:54.35 | Chest | thanks |
| 13:54.35 | Gnea | XeLoN: have you ever configured & compiled a kernel before? |
| 13:54.39 | greycat | XeLoN: run sarge and use a Debian kernel. |
| 13:54.46 | XeLoN | Gnea : yes |
| 13:54.59 | Gnea | XeLoN: then i would recommend the compilation method then |
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| 13:55.02 | inc|freaky | RichiH: do you know what i mean? |
| 13:55.03 | Gnea | -then |
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| 13:55.12 | sa_ | are there any alternatives to ntop for displaying traffic graphs by protocols? mail, web etc |
| 13:55.22 | minimec | don`t you have a hint for me? |
| 13:55.24 | Gnea | oh |
| 13:55.28 | Gnea | i forgot about ntop |
| 13:55.40 | RichiH | inc|freaky: yes. and i still would want to look at your sources.kist myself |
| 13:55.42 | sa_ | Gnea, what instead? |
| 13:55.43 | WageSlave | One of my favorite things about switching to debian, is that I've found I nearly never *have* to compile a kernel. |
| 13:55.44 | simonrvn | i also wish linux had a null interface... |
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| 13:56.05 | inc|freaky | RichiH: im currently in the 32-bit version and i told you above what i have in there :\ |
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| 13:56.19 | Chest | greycat: actually, there is no /dev/ht0 device |
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| 13:56.26 | Chest | greycat: not according to ls |
| 13:56.29 | Gnea | sa_: well ntop would probably be the best one, but there's also mrtg, webalizer and iog |
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| 13:56.45 | greycat | Chest: then you get to read devices.txt in the kernel tree, or the MAKEDEV script, and figure out how to make it. |
| 13:57.03 | Chest | sweet |
| 13:57.08 | Chest | :( |
| 13:57.10 | sa_ | Gnea, unfortunately, we need a solution without hard manual configuration |
| 13:57.15 | XeLoN | Gnea : thanks, but what is the advantage of compiling rather than installing? I'm a curious guy :) |
| 13:57.22 | sa_ | so mrtg is not an answer |
| 13:57.34 | greycat | XeLoN: you get to apply patches of your choice, or make the kernel less huge. |
| 13:57.36 | greycat | XeLoN: that's about it. |
| 13:57.38 | sa_ | i'll find iog, thank |
| 13:57.41 | pureone | sa_ have you used darkstat ? |
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| 13:58.01 | XeLoN | greycat : got that, thanks again guys :) |
| 13:58.06 | sa_ | pureone, no. thank also, will try. |
| 13:58.12 | simonrvn | 37 char IDE tape; 0 = /dev/ht0 First IDE tape |
| 13:58.24 | simonrvn | hint ^^ |
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| 13:58.31 | greycat | or you get to have simonrvn read devices.txt for you. |
| 13:58.39 | Gnea | XeLoN: tighter codebase taylored for a specific machine to run more efficiently and a better understanding of what various kernel versions do and don't support |
| 13:58.43 | Chronoz` | how do I stop/start a pppoe connection? |
| 13:58.53 | greycat | Chronoz`: pon, poff |
| 13:58.56 | Chronoz` | ok |
| 13:59.03 | inc|freaky | RichiH: btw, im at the very beginning of the netinstall ... oO |
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| 13:59.35 | inc|freaky | after rebooting |
| 13:59.55 | aphisone | dose anyone know anything about CVS? |
| 13:59.56 | Gnea | pureone: does darkstat output html? |
| 13:59.58 | aphisone | I'm trying out Screem to edit websites, there is a feature using CVS to manage site update... but I don't know how to use CVS... it's asking for CVS Root... what data is it asking for? |
| 14:00.01 | XeLoN | Gnea : well, is 2.4.27 good for PII-300MHz? I think it is good, I'm not asking ok thanks :D |
| 14:00.08 | Gnea | !cvs |
| 14:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 14:00.10 | anhi | inc|freaky: you are following me, right? ;) |
| 14:00.23 | inc|freaky | anhi: umm, sorry no? |
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| 14:00.39 | Gnea | XeLoN: you're telling me you're not asking by asking? get the fuck out :) |
| 14:00.41 | inc|freaky | i didnt see you talking, anhi |
| 14:01.06 | Gnea | XeLoN: lol, 2.4.27 will do fine |
| 14:01.06 | inc|freaky | lol, or what do you mean? ;p |
| 14:01.13 | anhi | inc|freaky: everywhere i turn i see you, spooky ;) |
| 14:01.23 | XeLoN | Gnea : thanks again and again :) |
| 14:01.40 | Gnea | anhi: you're not alone, this dude's all over the place ;) |
| 14:01.56 | pureone | Gnea yes it does |
| 14:02.03 | Gnea | pureone: sweet! |
| 14:02.14 | pureone | when its active just point your browser at http://localhost:666 |
| 14:02.24 | pureone | and you will get current updates of stats |
| 14:02.33 | inc|freaky | anhi: lol, its probably always here ;) |
| 14:02.41 | pureone | etherape is ok as well but it doesnt save stats sadly |
| 14:02.56 | anhi | Gnea: do you know discworld? there are millions of ppl on this world, but only a few real characters, so it's really a shocking experience whenever two or more of them meet ;) |
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| 14:03.07 | Gnea | etherape rocks for seeing what's going on in real-time |
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| 14:03.34 | Gnea | anhi: no, but i am familiar with various virtual communities and reality :) |
| 14:03.43 | pureone | apt-cache search sniffer |
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| 14:06.01 | inc|freaky | brb, rebooting into the 64-bit version ;D |
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| 14:07.43 | brynjarh | Hey I'm wondering how mailing lists work, like if you look at this message --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2005/03/msg00007.html , if I want to reply directly to that message and make it show up on the mailing list as a reply to this message should I send an email to the message id or something? Cause if I only send a reply to the mailing list with the subject and a Re: it will look like a reply to the first message, if you know what I |
| 14:07.43 | brynjarh | mean.. |
| 14:08.01 | greycat | brynjarh: you want to use the In-Reply-To: header. |
| 14:08.11 | greycat | brynjarh: with the Message-ID from the original message |
| 14:08.23 | k00z | this might sound kind of dumb, but ive never burned a cd using linux, and i want to burn a debian mini-cd to switch from slack, but im in slack right now... how would i go about burning the iso? |
| 14:08.46 | greycat | k00z: cdrecord dev=X,Y,Z image.iso |
| 14:08.50 | Gnea | k00z: got cdrecord installed? |
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| 14:08.55 | greycat | possibly with driveropts=burnfree |
| 14:10.00 | Ulti | can anyone help me, i'm getting this error "checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found" when i trying to install mqsql |
| 14:10.10 | greycat | !curses.h |
| 14:10.10 | dpkg | If you're getting "curses.h: No such file or directory", apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:10.32 | Ulti | greycat: thanx alot |
| 14:10.39 | k00z | gnea: i do... but which dev letter do i use? |
| 14:11.02 | k00z | gnea: or what can i do to find out* |
| 14:11.06 | greycat | k00z: depends on whether you're using ide-cd or ide-scsi. |
| 14:11.21 | greycat | (or an literal SCSI burner, which is rare) |
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| 14:11.50 | k00z | its just a regular pos 48x ide drive... not scsi |
| 14:12.06 | mwilson | Ulti: Why are you building that yourself? |
| 14:12.16 | Kurniady | what cause |
| 14:12.30 | Kurniady | what cause "unresolved symbol" when doing "insmod" ? |
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| 14:13.00 | greycat | !insmod |
| 14:13.00 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 14:13.00 | asg | Kurniady: what are you doing to get such a result? |
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| 14:13.28 | greycat | asg: using "insmod", apparently. Cthulhu only knows why. |
| 14:13.50 | brynjarh | greycat, I'm not sure I understand, I have To: Cc: Bcc: and Subject: to fill in, where should I put the In-Reply-To? Which I think is "1109825494.15870.21.camel@localhost.localdomain".. |
| 14:13.53 | asg | greycat: or a kernel update w/o a reboot |
| 14:14.11 | greycat | brynjarh: time to read some RFCs. |
| 14:14.55 | sdogi | need an opinion, is there any point of giving spindown delay to first hdd.. i mean is it bad if it goes to sleep and comes back again constantly |
| 14:15.00 | stew | brynjarh: In-Reply-To: can go anywhere in the header of the message |
| 14:15.11 | Kurniady | asg : I compiled an openBT driver and load it with insmod (my kernel was 2.4.18-bf.2.4). it was stated that the .o file was for 2.4.18 (without bf2.4) and when I do the insmod (-f), it gives me "unresolved symbol" |
| 14:15.14 | sdogi | can it damage something? so it's better to keep it running all the time |
| 14:15.15 | k00z | greycat: i have a dvd drive as well, but neither are scsi... |
| 14:15.21 | xk | sdogi: probably kill it prematurely. |
| 14:15.22 | asg | Kurniady: then see what greycat said above |
| 14:15.28 | greycat | k00z: so it's either ide-cd or ide-scsi. |
| 14:15.30 | asg | Kurniady: and install a proper kernel |
| 14:15.32 | aphisone | dose anyone know anything about CVS? |
| 14:15.34 | sdogi | xk: wha? |
| 14:15.49 | greycat | aphisone: no. |
| 14:15.54 | nevyn | aphisone: other than it shouldn't be used for new projects :) |
| 14:15.58 | asg | aphisone: I buy cigs there |
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| 14:16.02 | xk | sdogi: depends what you mean by constantly... if it's every 5 minutes... sure... if it's like few times a day... it's not a problem. |
| 14:16.02 | k00z | greycat: cdrecord dev=ide-cd image.iso? |
| 14:16.14 | greycat | FUCKING christ. |
| 14:16.17 | aphisone | asg: good.. thankx.. :) |
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| 14:16.19 | xk | sdogi: I've done both on an 8 year old harddrive... and it's still running to this day. |
| 14:16.26 | stew | k00z: you better reread the cdrecord manpage |
| 14:16.26 | asg | aphisone: try #cvs |
| 14:16.31 | greycat | !wikifaq UseCdBurner k00z |
| 14:16.32 | dpkg | UseCdBurner: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/k00z or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:16.35 | greycat | fuck. |
| 14:16.38 | k00z | alright... sorry |
| 14:16.41 | greycat | !wikifaq k00z UseCdBurner |
| 14:16.42 | dpkg | k00z: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:16.47 | sdogi | xk: it's like 5 minutes yeah, it sleeps 5 minutes and then wakes, actually i'm not that kind a powersaver but was just wondering |
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| 14:17.06 | xk | sdogi: laptop or desktop? |
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| 14:17.18 | sdogi | xk: it would be cool though to make all hdd's sleep, though i guess it's a bit impossible |
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| 14:17.21 | sdogi | xk: desktop |
| 14:17.38 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 14:17.45 | brynjarh | stew, okay I don't want to get this wrong, so when you say In-Reply-To what are you talking about? Like if we look at this message --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2005/03/msg00007.html , what information am I looking for? And when I have the information I should put it in the header? Like in the actual message? |
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| 14:17.54 | sdogi | xk: it's actually pretty old box too, just for testing stuff, like lpt programming |
| 14:17.58 | xk | sdogi: hrm... there was some laptop-mode patch integrated into 2.6.x... but I haven't read into it. |
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| 14:18.21 | jonbgud | does anyone have any suggestions for installing debian on a sata hard drive? |
| 14:18.25 | xk | that makes a better attempt at not waking up a sleeping hd. |
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| 14:18.43 | sdogi | xk: writing stuff to ram i guess |
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| 14:19.03 | greycat | jonbgud: try sarge. if it doesn't work, Google. |
| 14:19.07 | stew | brynjarh: if you were going to reply to that message you would add a header: In-reply-to: <1109825494.15870.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> ; <-- that is the message-id you are replying to |
| 14:19.10 | xk | sdogi: that always happens ;) it's a matter of when to flush it to disk. |
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| 14:19.11 | jonbgud | done that |
| 14:19.26 | Chest | greycat: apparently if I remove ide-tape and insert ide-scsi, it creates a devices at /dev/st0 for the tape drive. it works now. |
| 14:19.26 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 14:19.26 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! |
| 14:19.31 | jonbgud | the debian installer doesnt recognize a sata hard drive |
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| 14:19.32 | stew | yow |
| 14:19.35 | sdogi | xk: yeah actually i mean that |
| 14:19.48 | sdogi | xk: i guess it's matter of setting flush cycle delay longer |
| 14:19.55 | stew | jonbgud: #debian-boot |
| 14:20.04 | jonbgud | thanks |
| 14:20.06 | greycat | jonbgud: no. you mean "it doesn't recognize MY sata controller". |
| 14:20.14 | jonbgud | yes thats what i mean |
| 14:20.19 | greycat | jonbgud: but of course you couldn't be BOTHERED to tell us WHICH controller it is. |
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| 14:20.22 | greycat | Oh, no. |
| 14:20.26 | greycat | That would require intelligence. |
| 14:20.42 | sdogi | xk: so it would wake only let's say 30 minutes or something, it would be cool to make it "space dependable" so it would like check how much is written to ram and if it's enough it would write it on hdd, this way it could maby even delay hours :) |
| 14:20.43 | greycat | It's probably one of these fucking "software RAID" things. |
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| 14:21.03 | sdogi | lol |
| 14:21.05 | jonbgud | greycat maybe you should get laid for once, then you wouldnt be so stressed out |
| 14:21.05 | jonbgud | haha |
| 14:21.22 | greycat | maybe you should read a book once, then you wouldn't be so ignorant |
| 14:21.30 | jonbgud | haha |
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| 14:21.37 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 14:21.37 | dpkg | well, smart questions is Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer ... |
| 14:21.37 | xk | sdogi: yeah... i'll have to find out for myself... but it doesn't actually bother me... the extra drives I have partitions that I use for data (media files) only. |
| 14:21.39 | jonbgud | almost a nice comeback |
| 14:21.44 | brynjarh | stew, Okay, I understand that now, but I don't get what you mean by "header:", the application I'm using (gmail) only has To: Cc: Bcc: Subject: and then a message box. |
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| 14:21.50 | greycat | !lose brynjarh |
| 14:21.51 | dpkg | brynjarh: You Lose. |
| 14:21.59 | xk | need a <REPLY> on smart questions? |
| 14:22.07 | greycat | xk: looks like it. |
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| 14:22.18 | greycat | dpkg, smart questions =~ s/Go/<reply>Go/ |
| 14:22.19 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:22.24 | sdogi | xk: just thinking if it's possible to build ultimate powersaving server :) |
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| 14:22.31 | sdogi | xk: when it's not being used ofcourse |
| 14:22.42 | petemc | while you're at it, the tar factoid has an error |
| 14:23.02 | sdogi | extra drivers are poweroff 'd anyway when they aren't being used actively |
| 14:23.16 | stew | brynjarh: sounds like you need to hope that hitting reply in gmail will do the right thing and don't worry about it, or use a better mailer, normally you shouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing, your mua should take care of it for you |
| 14:23.19 | ea8946 | if I need to compile a patched kernel with a module not in the stock kernel, do I have to give any special directions to make-kpkg? |
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| 14:23.49 | stew | ea8946: have you looked at module-assistant? |
| 14:23.57 | sdogi | gotta run |
| 14:24.02 | ea8946 | stew, no, is it a package? |
| 14:24.13 | stew | yes |
| 14:24.26 | pureone | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php :) |
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| 14:25.06 | notJOnAS | how do I list all packages installed without getting the packagenames truncated? |
| 14:25.11 | ea8946 | stew, I see, but does that mean that make-kpkg is not suffient? |
| 14:25.16 | notJOnAS | dpkg -l truncates long names |
| 14:25.17 | dpkg | ii truncates long names 1.1-11.1 notjonas's private porn collection |
| 14:25.20 | rpetre | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 14:25.34 | stew | ea8946: no, it means its probably unnecessary |
| 14:25.35 | xk | what about with tcsh? |
| 14:25.48 | rpetre | sau dpkg --get-selections (or smth like that) |
| 14:25.54 | notJOnAS | rpetre: thanks |
| 14:25.58 | rpetre | np |
| 14:26.09 | ea8946 | stew, okay thanks a lot, i'll take a look at module-assistant |
| 14:26.29 | greycat | xk: env COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 14:28.21 | xk | tcsh still despised? ;) |
| 14:28.40 | omniwork | anyone know of / have a script that makes rm less 'permanent' by moving files into a .Trash, or renaming them to something hidden like .#filename automatically? |
| 14:28.41 | xk | it's the only shell that doesn't stuff up with xterm + ansi colors. |
| 14:29.31 | greycat | omniwork: DO NOT alter the semantics of the "rm" command. If you want to make a function "del" to do "mv blah blah", fine. But NEVER change rm. |
| 14:29.44 | omniwork | greycat: yes, i just plan on aliasing it |
| 14:29.55 | ea8946 | stew, ah, it's not available in woody |
| 14:30.14 | greycat | an alias can't do it. use a function or a script. |
| 14:30.18 | stew | ea8946: ahh, ok in that case reread the make-kpkg manpage and look for modules |
| 14:30.23 | asterix_de | Hallo , does someone have debian 3.1 on a amd64 runing |
| 14:30.44 | omniwork | greycat: huh? why |
| 14:30.45 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:30.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:30.57 | omniwork | greycat: i meant i'm making another separate script, and aliasing rm to that scrit |
| 14:30.58 | greycat | omniwork: it will become obvious as soon as you try. |
| 14:31.14 | greycat | omniwork: DO. NOT. CHANGE. HOW. rm. WORKS! |
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| 14:31.23 | sdlnxgk|wrk | ok it's that time again gotta crunch before I get off in 30 mins see ya when I get home...l8r |
| 14:31.25 | sysdef | !anyone use sarge on amd64 |
| 14:31.29 | greycat | omniwork: MAKE IT CALLED **ANYTHING** OTHER THAN "rm"! |
| 14:31.32 | xk | asterix_de: that's my plan for tomorrow ;) |
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| 14:31.41 | ea8946 | stew, okay, thanks! |
| 14:31.42 | callipygous | well twm in 'testing' is as dead as a doorstop |
| 14:31.48 | stew | asterix_de: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:31.52 | greycat | gods, why do I even bother? |
| 14:31.53 | omniwork | i won't trust me heh |
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| 14:32.00 | FieldySnuts | also don't make files named "-rf /" |
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| 14:32.04 | FieldySnuts | greycat: :( |
| 14:32.06 | greycat | he's obviously dead set on breaking something dramatically, and I can't prevent him. |
| 14:32.08 | asterix_de | xk: so i have to install the i386 version or |
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| 14:33.49 | omniwork | greycat: for the 4th time i'm not renaming or moving rm |
| 14:33.55 | omniwork | i'm aliasing it for a user account |
| 14:34.01 | omniwork | any automated scripts will be unaffected |
| 14:34.21 | xk | asterix_de: no idea... I'll find out tomorrow |
| 14:34.36 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 14:35.12 | bender-RW- | public plonk is sooo 90s ;) |
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| 14:35.24 | Coke | what's a "plonk"? |
| 14:35.35 | greycat | !*plonk* |
| 14:35.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
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| 14:36.21 | Coke | oh. what name made the plonk sound this time? |
| 14:36.58 | greycat | bender-RW-: sorry. I "grew up" on the internet in the 90s, when september used to be merely one month long. |
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| 14:38.03 | bender-RW- | greycat: all i know is that it is discouraged on todays usenet |
| 14:38.27 | bender-RW- | greycat: as in 'don't feed the trolls' |
| 14:38.30 | greycat | bender-RW-: I gave up on usenet a few years ago. |
| 14:38.34 | abrotman | why is immortalsinger /msg'ing me ? |
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| 14:38.57 | bender-RW- | greycat: there are still a _very few_ groups worth reading |
| 14:39.07 | abrotman | greycat: it wasn't on join .. he just did it after he joined |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | greycat: and all he said was "hi" |
| 14:39.17 | zamolxes | abrotman: probably the same reason he /msged me |
| 14:39.18 | greycat | abrotman: dunno, then. |
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| 14:45.24 | ezra-s | hello |
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| 14:46.38 | inc|freaky | how do i reinstall grub? i know it works with grub-install, but i dont know which dev i should put it on ... |
| 14:46.46 | inc|freaky | i got a sata drive |
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| 14:46.49 | inc|freaky | afaik |
| 14:46.59 | inc|freaky | whats the dev for the first partition then? |
| 14:47.10 | inc|freaky | as i didnt install to mbr before |
| 14:47.11 | jarmo | hda1? |
| 14:47.15 | inc|freaky | no, hda is ide |
| 14:47.31 | jarmo | for me it's hde1 |
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| 14:48.06 | Kvant | inc|freaky, /dev/sda ? |
| 14:48.30 | jarmo | oh, it was sata =) |
| 14:48.34 | jarmo | then dunno |
| 14:49.00 | stew | inc|freaky: dmesg should tell you which dev |
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| 14:49.06 | greycat | it will be either hda1 or sda1 |
| 14:49.10 | inc|freaky | thx ;D |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | or fstab ? ... where / is mounted ? |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | i guess not .. |
| 14:49.21 | stew | inc|freaky: and generally you want to install grub on the mbr, not the first partition |
| 14:49.43 | inc|freaky | stew: i did grub-install /dev/sda |
| 14:49.56 | abrotman | so does it work? |
| 14:50.03 | inc|freaky | didnt reboot yet but it reported no errors |
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| 14:51.01 | WiFiTux | I don't get it why my java isn't working... I already installed jr2 and jre2 1.5.0 and limewire works, but I can't get a browser to use Java... |
| 14:52.14 | xk | java is so portable between versions. |
| 14:52.15 | WiFiTux | someone? :) |
| 14:52.30 | WiFiTux | xk, what? I even had 1.4.1 before |
| 14:52.46 | xk | sun suffering the same problems as with tcl, heh. |
| 14:52.49 | stew | WiFiTux: make a symlink in the browsers plugin directory that points to the plugin supplied by the jre |
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| 14:53.05 | WiFiTux | stew, :| how is that? |
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| 14:53.28 | WiFiTux | stew, I don't even know where java was installed with make-jpkg |
| 14:53.28 | stew | WiFiTux: fine thanks |
| 14:53.43 | WiFiTux | stew, hehe, really. |
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| 14:53.49 | stew | WiFiTux: read the apt howto |
| 14:53.51 | stew | WiFiTux: man dpkg |
| 14:54.03 | WiFiTux | stew, come on.. |
| 14:54.26 | jetscreamer | shit stew when do you sleep.. and/or not be on irc |
| 14:54.48 | k00z | is there a command that i can list what cd drives that i have on my computer? |
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| 14:55.20 | k00z | (i tried to search for the command myself but i dont really know where to look/what to search for) |
| 14:55.23 | Coke | WiFiTux: that is the beauty of LSB, everything is installed according to a specification |
| 14:55.24 | stew | WiFiTux: cmon you've been hanging around this channel long enough that you should know about the -L option to dpkg |
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| 14:55.42 | Coke | WiFiTux: not LSB, but the filesystem standard |
| 14:55.59 | stew | jetscreamer: :) can you tell my most recent project at work has been boring |
| 14:56.27 | WiFiTux | stew, I just don't know what I'm looking for... |
| 14:56.31 | WiFiTux | hold on |
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| 14:56.54 | jetscreamer | cat /roc/devices wil give yo something |
| 14:56.59 | Coke | k00z: dmesg | grep CD |
| 14:57.01 | jetscreamer | errr /proc |
| 14:57.02 | veruus | WiFiTux: copy or link the java plugin to your browser's plugin directory |
| 14:57.05 | greycat | !faq WiFiTux |
| 14:57.06 | dpkg | WiFiTux: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:57.17 | greycat | !wikifaq veruus InstallJava |
| 14:57.18 | dpkg | veruus: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:57.30 | Coke | jetscreamer: no, that just gives him ide as devices. |
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| 14:57.50 | k00z | coke: that doesn't do anything? |
| 14:57.52 | jetscreamer | yes but it's somehting... :/ |
| 14:58.03 | veruus | !donuts veruus |
| 14:58.08 | veruus | blast! |
| 14:58.10 | veruus | :( |
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| 14:58.29 | Coke | k00z: sure it does. it lists all kernel output since last boot, including any loaded CD-ROM drivers and what device they have. |
| 14:58.43 | Coke | k00z: devices in POSIX systems are not the same as hardware devices. |
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| 14:59.20 | abrotman | are you joking? |
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| 14:59.23 | k00z | coke: i just get another bash prompt... im using slack right now (trying to burn a mini-cd) does that make a difference? |
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| 14:59.33 | Coke | k00z: no |
| 14:59.34 | abrotman | greycat: can you kill him? or let him speak? |
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| 14:59.41 | Coke | k00z: dmesg | grep ATAPI |
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| 15:00.01 | abrotman | not that i know why he was banned |
| 15:00.02 | jetscreamer | yay grey |
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| 15:00.18 | jetscreamer | soooooow |
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| 15:00.19 | greycat | abrotman: I don't know either, but based on what he just did, I can guess. |
| 15:00.29 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 15:00.36 | abrotman | greycat: the ip looks familiar .. but i don't know why |
| 15:00.55 | k00z | coke: it says SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices, then like 15 lines of "pg: No ATAPI device detected" |
| 15:01.09 | greycat | someone needs to tell Epilog that blondes are overrated. |
| 15:01.35 | jarmo | hi |
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| 15:01.42 | jarmo | what do I need to play mp3's with xmms? |
| 15:01.58 | jarmo | it tells me that something is blocking it or check your soundcard settings.. |
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| 15:02.04 | jarmo | and it's impossible =) |
| 15:02.05 | greycat | jarmo: xmms, an mp3 file, an audio driver, and some speakers. |
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| 15:02.10 | greycat | oh, and a sound card. |
| 15:02.11 | xk | lsof -n | grep dsp |
| 15:02.16 | jarmo | but doesn't play it |
| 15:02.18 | Coke | jarmo: is it impossible to check your soundcard settings? |
| 15:02.24 | k00z | coke: and the drives should be working fine... i was burning cds in xp before i installed slack, and have been using my dvd drive to play music... i just wanted to burn a cd... but it says for 2.4 to append something into the lilo and reboot, but it said hdc... and im pretty sure my burner isn't hdc, probably d or something else to that effect since i have more than one drive... |
| 15:02.25 | greycat | jarmo: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 15:02.28 | greycat | or lsof, of course. |
| 15:02.36 | greycat | jarmo: /msg dpkg sound |
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| 15:02.38 | jarmo | don't be too specific.. |
| 15:02.49 | jarmo | I'm not a genious with this os.. |
| 15:03.04 | greycat | WHY, god, WHY? |
| 15:03.08 | Coke | k00z: if dmesg doesn't reveal a driver for CD-ROM's binding to a device you are simply not loading the CD-ROM driver. |
| 15:03.23 | jarmo | what why.. |
| 15:03.41 | greycat | I'll forgive the misspelling because you're in .fi, but the intentional ignorance is just appalling. |
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| 15:03.48 | x-256 | hi |
| 15:03.57 | Coke | jarmo: do what XMMS suggests; check your soundcard configuration |
| 15:04.14 | x-256 | where should I put modprobe apm so that it auto-loads on boot up?? /etc/modutils/apm exists, but apm is not loaded automagically |
| 15:04.23 | greycat | x-256: echo apm >> /etc/modules |
| 15:04.24 | asg | x-256: put it in /etc/modules |
| 15:04.34 | k00z | coke: so what would i need to look into doing? |
| 15:04.46 | Coke | k00z: load the cd/atapi driver |
| 15:04.49 | x-256 | thank u |
| 15:05.17 | x-256 | another quick question: which is a good gui tool for starting/stopping unneeded services/daemnons ? |
| 15:05.18 | ddmdd | when I input "dpkg -s <pkgname>", it shows the status "deinstall or config-files", and list some config files, but after I deletes them , dpkg -s shows the same infomation. |
| 15:05.21 | k00z | coke: er... is this something i need to install, or just a command to run? |
| 15:05.25 | greycat | who wants to bet that k00z STILL hasn't read the god damned faq that I pointed him to? |
| 15:05.33 | veruus | x-256: xterm |
| 15:05.34 | veruus | :) |
| 15:05.35 | Coke | x-256: there isn't one |
| 15:05.37 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the oracle 9i install status is "So far so good" |
| 15:05.40 | k00z | greycat: its because of the faq that im dealing with this |
| 15:05.40 | asg | greycat: I don't bet on things I know won't make me money |
| 15:05.43 | x-256 | veruus, heh |
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| 15:05.43 | greycat | x-256: rcconf |
| 15:05.51 | veruus | ;) |
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| 15:06.02 | greycat | k00z: so, is your kernel 2.4 or 2.6? are you using ide-cd or ide-scsi? |
| 15:06.05 | greycat | !DETAILS |
| 15:06.05 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 15:06.07 | x-256 | well what i did is I went into /etc/init.d and chmod a-x the things i didn't want, but i don't like that.. gives tons of errors on boot |
| 15:06.08 | k00z | greycat: i read that through, and skimmed the other "how to ask good questions" and went through ze 7 steps before coming back here |
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| 15:06.33 | Coke | k00z: and still can't ask good questions. |
| 15:06.40 | greycat | x-256: NEVER do that. you won't be able to remove the packages. |
| 15:06.41 | k00z | greycat 2.4, and i dont even know where my cd-drive is - thats why i came back here... for 2.4 i was supposed to append that command in lilo correct? |
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| 15:06.50 | veruus | do 10 Hail Ians |
| 15:06.53 | greycat | x-256: man update-rc.d; less /etc/init.d/README; apt-cache show rcconf; etc. |
| 15:06.54 | k00z | coke: sorry... im very lost when it comes to linux. |
| 15:06.56 | Coke | k00z: you don't NEED to know |
| 15:06.56 | x-256 | greycat, oh great! well, how should I ? rcconf ? |
| 15:07.16 | x-256 | greycat, thnx |
| 15:07.19 | Coke | k00z: modprobe ide-cd; modprobe ide-scsi |
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| 15:07.33 | greycat | Coke: HUH? Why the hell would you want BOTH at the same time? |
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| 15:07.44 | Coke | greycat: I don't know which one he needs |
| 15:07.52 | greycat | for 2.4 he should be using ide-scsi |
| 15:07.52 | Coke | greycat: if one fails to load, no biggie |
| 15:07.55 | dpblnt | hi, how is that i'm subscribed to @bugs.debian.org, but recieved no mail since 13:00? are you having plroblems with that too? |
| 15:07.57 | k00z | coke: for 2.4 it said add "append="hdc=ide-scsi"" into lilo - i have 2 optical drives, is my cd burner hdc or hdd or hdz or what? |
| 15:08.17 | greycat | Coke: and since he's NOT running Debian, we can't be more specific than that. We have no idea what his kernel config looks like. |
| 15:08.19 | Coke | k00z: not if you don't have the driver. |
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| 15:08.26 | ddmdd | anyone can help me? how to remove the "rc" status flags of some packages when run "dpkg -l" |
| 15:08.29 | greycat | k00z: you FUCKING MORON. |
| 15:08.34 | greycat | GODS, please someone make him die. |
| 15:08.39 | k00z | ... |
| 15:08.40 | k00z | fuck it |
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| 15:08.53 | Coke | greycat: hey man. |
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| 15:09.03 | greycat | how can he not know what his god damned device is? |
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| 15:09.04 | xk | greycat: MORE PROFANITY! |
| 15:09.15 | PTH_ | xk r u a person? |
| 15:09.21 | Coke | greycat: he was a pain in the ass, granted, but wishing death upon him is a tad to much. |
| 15:09.23 | xk | PTH_: you think I'm not? |
| 15:09.33 | asg | xk: a bot writing a bot, interesteing |
| 15:09.34 | PTH_ | i thought u was chinese |
| 15:09.59 | RichiH | xk: and everybody knows chinese are not persons ;) |
| 15:10.03 | greycat | xk [foobar@l3-202-89-186-13.arach.net.au] |
| 15:10.06 | xk | eheheh |
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| 15:10.13 | greycat | Yeah. Really easy to see why he'd be Chinese. |
| 15:10.16 | PTH_ | female bots fucking female bots is way more interesting |
| 15:10.25 | xk | greycat: I could be chinese living in .au ;p |
| 15:10.25 | PTH_ | some human type reproduction ;) |
| 15:10.38 | xk | but it would be incorrect. |
| 15:10.38 | *** part/#debian kunnar (~kunnar@213-219-90-246-dsl.lsn.estpak.ee) |
| 15:11.01 | greycat | !thursday |
| 15:11.01 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 15:11.06 | jharrisonwk | wow |
| 15:11.09 | x-256 | what is dbus-1 used in/for ? |
| 15:11.11 | jharrisonwk | is today racism day? |
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| 15:11.23 | asg | jharrisonwk: no, just another moron day |
| 15:11.26 | notJOnAS | x-256: IPC |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: good |
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| 15:11.39 | PTH_ | damn chinese |
| 15:11.44 | xk | greycat: you need a break from #debian like me, it will calm you down. |
| 15:11.47 | x-256 | notJOnAS, any big users of it? do I need it for a simple desktop machine? |
| 15:11.47 | greycat | PTH_: stop tro;lling. |
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| 15:12.01 | PTH_ | this aint no bridge greycat |
| 15:12.05 | notJOnAS | x-256: gnome is using it more and more |
| 15:12.09 | greycat | PTH_: which is why you trolls are not welcome here. |
| 15:12.13 | PTH_ | if it was id be charging u $$$ to cross |
| 15:12.34 | x-256 | notJOnAS, ok, then maybye its needed |
| 15:12.46 | PTH_ | lol i wonder he starts these nerd words |
| 15:12.48 | xk | looks like this channel went downhill after I left. |
| 15:12.49 | stego | Is it possible to non-destructively resize an ext3 partition? |
| 15:12.53 | PTH_ | ur acting like a dragon! |
| 15:12.54 | xk | or maybe I started it |
| 15:13.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 15:13.06 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@68.199.105.157] by greycat |
| 15:13.09 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 15:13.11 | Coke | "tight underwear day" sounds sceary |
| 15:13.36 | asg | xk: it's had ups and downs (mostly downs) |
| 15:13.43 | Coke | stego: the partition is not ext3 |
| 15:13.53 | greycat | xk: Overfiend showed up a couple times. |
| 15:14.13 | dpblnt | stego, parted |
| 15:14.15 | asg | greycat: and vorlon is in quite a bit these days |
| 15:14.30 | xk | what happened to angel? :o |
| 15:14.35 | greycat | xk: left long ago |
| 15:14.41 | Coke | dpblnt: will that automatically ajust the filesystem too? |
| 15:14.49 | stego | thanks dpblnt. |
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| 15:15.21 | dpblnt | Coke, no, i dont think so |
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| 15:15.27 | xk | I'll probably only last here for a week |
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| 15:15.50 | dpblnt | Coke, you'll need resize2fs before that |
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| 15:16.14 | darkskiez | is there a command line tool to edit ogg tags? |
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| 15:16.21 | kaleb | Does anyone know what the xmodmap name is for the russian letter 'jo' the 'e' with two dots? |
| 15:16.26 | darkskiez | apt-cache search is giving me no love. |
| 15:16.45 | bogon | darkskiez: iirc vorbiscomment |
| 15:16.51 | greycat | darkskiez: vorbiscomment, in vorbis-tools |
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| 15:17.04 | greycat | I use a wrapper script around it |
| 15:17.34 | darkskiez | to do what? |
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| 15:18.00 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/vivc-0.2 |
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| 15:18.19 | darkskiez | cheers dudes |
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| 15:19.44 | TinoW | interesting. with sid you dont have deb-make - what do I use instead? |
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| 15:20.43 | stew | TinoW: debhelper |
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| 15:21.07 | irreverentrevere | test |
| 15:21.24 | greycat | !test |
| 15:21.24 | dpkg | Yes, greycat, you're still online. |
| 15:21.32 | irreverentrevere | thanks |
| 15:21.34 | irreverentrevere | Laughs Out Loud |
| 15:22.06 | kensuke | !test |
| 15:22.06 | dpkg | No, kensuke, you're not online any more. |
| 15:22.11 | kensuke | lol |
| 15:22.12 | kensuke | hehehe |
| 15:22.19 | irreverentrevere | !test |
| 15:22.20 | dpkg | No, irreverentrevere, you're not online any more. |
| 15:22.22 | irreverentrevere | Dang ! |
| 15:22.28 | irreverentrevere | better go reboot the router |
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| 15:25.04 | WiFiTux | Is the java.jar the plugin? |
| 15:25.46 | asg | WiFiTux: plugin for what? |
| 15:25.53 | WiFiTux | asg, java |
| 15:26.03 | asg | WiFiTux: the java plugin for java? |
| 15:26.10 | WiFiTux | asg, limewire works, but not mozilla |
| 15:26.27 | asg | WiFiTux: /msg dpkg install java (the plugin intructions are listed in there) |
| 15:26.27 | stew | WiFiTux: something like libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 15:26.37 | cuse | Hi! Maybe a bit off topic; can anybody recommend me a good RAID controller? It should have good support under Linux, so I can setup e.g. email notification in case there is a problem with the RAID (e.g. one HD failed). Anybody? |
| 15:26.45 | WiFiTux | asg, is already installed |
| 15:26.45 | stew | cuse: 3ware |
| 15:26.46 | asg | WiFiTux: or /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 15:26.50 | WiFiTux | ok |
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| 15:27.04 | cuse | stew: wow, that was fast :) |
| 15:27.19 | hbd | Hi, i need to get what to write to be able to limit the mount of my cd for particular group |
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| 15:28.04 | asg | hbd: it's already configured to be mountable by the 'cdrom' group |
| 15:28.37 | hbd | asg: i create a new group with 1200 id and i want it to be abole to mount the cd |
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| 15:29.24 | MoonPrincess | When I want to get something off a tape drive, will this work: tar -xvf /dev/st1 /path/to/file/on/tape/ /where/to/resore/the/file ? |
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| 15:29.41 | asg | hbd: why not just add the users who need to mount the cdrom to the 'cdrom group'? |
| 15:30.18 | greycat | MoonPrincess: no. man tar. |
| 15:30.30 | abrotman | is there an s390 channel ? |
| 15:30.30 | hbd | asg: well it's very complex, i made many things that needed that group would be the one that could mount the cd |
| 15:31.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: there is |
| 15:31.24 | abrotman | where? |
| 15:31.30 | jharrisonwk | #s390 |
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| 15:31.35 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: it wont be around for long though |
| 15:31.48 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: noone there eh? |
| 15:31.50 | asg | hbd: then make that group the group owner of whatever the cdrom device is. (You'll have to manually find what else is in the 'cdrom' group and add them as appropriate to your new group) |
| 15:31.57 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: there are |
| 15:32.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: there is rather |
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| 15:32.09 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no |
| 15:32.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :) |
| 15:32.25 | MoonPrincess | argh, don't make sense to me. |
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| 15:32.30 | WiFiTux | asg, stew libjavaplugin.so is already there... but is a different filename... |
| 15:32.35 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no there doesnt seem to be an #s390 channel |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | i realize this |
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| 15:32.44 | abrotman | or #debian-s390 |
| 15:33.03 | suifur | s390... aren't those the huge IBM mainframes? |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:33.13 | abrotman | z series |
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| 15:33.17 | suifur | k, just checking |
| 15:33.21 | asg | WiFiTux: then create a symlink to it with the name required. |
| 15:33.23 | abrotman | suifur: a friend of mine is getting ready to do a debian install on one |
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| 15:33.44 | suifur | abrotman, heh, a guy in my LUG runs a couple of those and is trying to figure out some stuff w/ it |
| 15:33.47 | stew | WiFiTux: i belive it must be a symlink in the plugin directory and not a file |
| 15:33.53 | suifur | is s390 support on Debian good abrotman? |
| 15:33.55 | abrotman | suifur: my friend works for PSU |
| 15:33.59 | abrotman | suifur: dunno .. i don't have one |
| 15:34.07 | asg | abrotman: I'm waiting for ours to become available so I can do the same, or, at least, try to. |
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| 15:34.21 | abrotman | asg: well .. thiers already runs suse .. so i don't know how much more difficult it could be |
| 15:34.29 | abrotman | he's gonna do sarge on it |
| 15:34.50 | asg | abrotman: yeah, we were supposed to have converted to a new system 4 years ago but that is lagging so we still run the 390 in parallel. |
| 15:35.13 | who2 | anyone know why php somehow seems to depend on caudium now in Sarge? |
| 15:35.24 | mastertet | Hi, I'm using Unbuntu now and I thinck it is ok, but I would like to go with Debian.Sould I install Sarge or Sid? If I understand correctly, Sid is a bit like Gentoo in the sens that it is very up to date. But Sarge, I don't know why I should try it? |
| 15:35.32 | asg | mastertet: sarge |
| 15:35.35 | who2 | I couldn't find out where the dependency is in, but dist-upgrade wants to install it |
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| 15:35.53 | tweekken_ | Use Sarge! |
| 15:36.15 | mastertet | Most of you use Sarge?, why not Sid? |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | !sid |
| 15:36.25 | dpkg | well, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 15:36.30 | asg | mastertet: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | mastertet: ^^ |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | mastertet: so unless you are skilled enough .. we recommend you don't run sid |
| 15:37.30 | mastertet | ok, so the broken package thing doesn't happen is Sarge, that is a good advantage :) |
| 15:37.37 | who2 | ugh, php4-gd and php4-mysql both depend on caudium-php4, that can't be correct |
| 15:38.02 | asg | mastertet: broken packages can still enter sarge, they just don't very often. |
| 15:38.09 | omry | I have kernel version 2.6.8-1-386, which headers package is the correct one for me? |
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| 15:38.13 | asg | mastertet: for ultimate stability, woody is always an option. |
| 15:38.37 | suifur | mastertet, think Sid from Toy Story, the kid who breaks/destroys every toy he gets. Thats what Debian Sid will do to you if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 15:38.47 | mastertet | asg, I used woody in the past but it is now too old for my laptop |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | who2: it's not .. you can safely remove them after they install |
| 15:38.54 | abrotman | who2: as to why they install to begin with .. no idea |
| 15:38.56 | asg | mastertet: then use sarge, you'll be fine. |
| 15:39.23 | kalila | a module in python is a class/a function/a collection of functions? |
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| 15:39.36 | asg | kalila: #python |
| 15:39.41 | mastertet | thanks guys, you are not has bad as they say on the web (Ubuntu review) ;) |
| 15:39.44 | sussudio | #snake? |
| 15:39.52 | asg | mastertet: you're welcome |
| 15:40.00 | kensuke | ooh ooh .... I say C :-) |
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| 15:40.06 | sussudio | mastertet: try again on sunday |
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| 15:40.15 | kalila | asg: no, thank you. |
| 15:40.33 | suifur | mastertet, heh Ubuntu review eh? I'm an ubuntu user for desktops, but a debian user for my servers and no they're pretty nice as long as you're not being vague. |
| 15:40.36 | suifur | !VAGUENESS |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 15:40.38 | asg | kalila: then it's a file with a .py ending that contains classes, functions, and statements. |
| 15:41.16 | who2 | abrotman: my copy of apt-cache does tell me that php4-gd and php4-mysql depend on caudium-php4, using ftp.de.debian.org |
| 15:41.17 | kalila | thanks, simple, being nice is easy |
| 15:41.26 | abrotman | who2: hmm |
| 15:41.48 | who2 | just update and see for yourself |
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| 15:42.21 | who2 | btw, what's the difference between "|Depends:" and "Depends:"? |
| 15:42.35 | kensuke | an "|" |
| 15:42.43 | panda | xfce4-session listens on tcp port 1025, anything wrong? |
| 15:42.44 | mastertet | suifur, in fact, I would recommend Ubuntu to a new Linux user but when you can't live with Gnome (like me), it is not the best choice. |
| 15:43.02 | who2 | kensuke: yep '|' |
| 15:43.07 | kensuke | :-) |
| 15:43.31 | who2 | kensuke: ok, I don't get the insider joke but am happy you're amused |
| 15:43.32 | tweekken_ | all I did was install openbox3 and rox-filer each person has their own preference |
| 15:43.44 | qwertz | Does anybody know where to set the login timeout of phpmyadmin? |
| 15:43.52 | panda | is there any security problem? |
| 15:44.01 | kensuke | no insider joke... Im just kidding around. Just finished a project... so my brain has turned to mush |
| 15:44.09 | asg | qwertz: just change the php session timeout (/etc/php4/apache{2}/php.ini) |
| 15:44.24 | suifur | mastertet, heh, I dunno, my friend has it installed on his box and he just uninstalled gnome and threw fluxbox on there ;) Though gnome runs quite fast on my box and I'm lazy... I've played too much with too many different distros and DM's to care anymore. I just leave it default anymore ll |
| 15:44.26 | asg | qwertz: or tweak it in phpmyadmin's .htaccess file if you don't want to do it globally |
| 15:44.35 | who2 | abrotman: so, does it happen at your site too? |
| 15:45.01 | Vladi | what is a good fast firewall for debian short of writing the scrip ur self ( mostly for routing an internet connection ) ? thx! |
| 15:45.02 | mastertet | suifir, :) |
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| 15:45.10 | sml | Vladi: smoothwall |
| 15:45.13 | suifur | mastertet, i've used linux for 5 years... im a lazy user now lol |
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| 15:45.17 | asg | who2: same here |
| 15:45.29 | sml | suifur: s/lazy/efficient ;) |
| 15:46.04 | qwertz | asg, thanks will try it! |
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| 15:46.27 | Vladi | sml: how does taht compare to shorewall? based off it ? |
| 15:46.34 | who2 | asg: I will first contact adam before filing bugs for such trivial errors |
| 15:46.51 | asg | who2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297702 |
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| 15:46.58 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 15:47.09 | solemnwarning | what port does bind run on? |
| 15:47.11 | asg | who2: someone beat you. |
| 15:47.11 | suifur | sml: heh true that, I just need something I can email, surf the web, program, hack around on and build packages... lol I'm just lazy/efficient ;) |
| 15:47.17 | WageSlave | solemnwarning 53 |
| 15:47.22 | solemnwarning | thanks |
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| 15:47.59 | asg | solemnwarning: udp and tcp (for zone transfers and large data returns) |
| 15:48.13 | panda | anyone good at security here? |
| 15:48.19 | nevyn | is maximum filename length fs dependant? |
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| 15:48.27 | Andre | oiiiiiiiiii |
| 15:48.32 | asg | !anyone |
| 15:48.33 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:48.34 | Andre | alguem do brasil?????? |
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| 15:48.35 | Andre | alguem do brasil?????? |
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| 15:48.45 | pureone | panda im not very good but ill try my best |
| 15:48.58 | kensuke | panda: I carry a 9mm para and have a black belt in ass kicking |
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| 15:49.03 | pureone | i* |
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| 15:49.12 | who2 | asg: ok, I'll monitor the br |
| 15:49.13 | asg | !tell Andre about flood |
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| 15:49.34 | solemnwarning | what port is ping on? |
| 15:49.41 | pureone | hehe |
| 15:49.45 | solemnwarning | iptables blocks pings to my internel server |
| 15:49.49 | asg | solemnwarning: man ping |
| 15:49.54 | panda | pureone, xfce4-session listens on tcp port 1025, i thought it's a security hole |
| 15:49.57 | greycat | ICMP has no ports. |
| 15:50.04 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 15:50.05 | pureone | panda rcconf |
| 15:50.06 | who2 | exatlcy |
| 15:50.07 | solemnwarning | oh |
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| 15:50.12 | kensuke | what greycat says |
| 15:50.13 | pureone | then disable nfs common |
| 15:50.14 | who2 | ICMP is its own protocol |
| 15:50.20 | solemnwarning | i just set it to allow protocol ICMP? |
| 15:50.27 | kensuke | yip |
| 15:50.36 | asg | solemnwarning: or certain parts of ICMP you feel comfortable allowing |
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| 15:50.46 | pureone | look up icmp codes |
| 15:50.56 | anhi | damn, i (again) have the problem that the XV video driver only spits out a solit blue window after switching fullscreen/windowed in xine |
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| 15:51.18 | WolfDSL | hi |
| 15:51.39 | suifur | hi |
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| 15:52.20 | pureone | http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/inet-pages/icmp-code.html |
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| 15:52.23 | bushwakko | hey |
| 15:52.32 | solemnwarning | samba is 338,339,445 TCP isnt it? |
| 15:52.32 | asg | pureone: /sbin/iptables -p icmp -h (also works) |
| 15:52.40 | bushwakko | I just installed webmin, but after loggin in, all I se is the webmin logo, and the page is blank |
| 15:52.52 | solemnwarning | u get webmin through apt? |
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| 15:53.10 | kensuke | (personal opinion) thats cause webmin blows |
| 15:53.14 | kensuke | :-) |
| 15:53.15 | bushwakko | uhm |
| 15:53.18 | suifur | solemnwarning, its 337, 338, 339 and 445 ;) |
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| 15:53.21 | pureone | asg yes it does thanks for sharing :) |
| 15:53.25 | asg | pureone: :) |
| 15:53.27 | setnf | whats the package name for print screen(screen shots) ? |
| 15:53.35 | solemnwarning | actaully the version of webmin in apt has no moduals included for some reason |
| 15:53.36 | bushwakko | it stops after a wile |
| 15:53.41 | pureone | learn something new everyday |
| 15:53.43 | Blackvel | hi, anyone has debian on a vServer with confixx? I have a little email/webmail problem |
| 15:53.48 | WolfDSL | [smile i'm takin a screenshot ;)] |
| 15:53.55 | Ether_Man | Anyone know if it's possible to have framebuffer on a dell latitude xpi p133st? It uses a neomagic 2070.. From what I've found on google there are framebuffer modules available for the 2.6 kernels but I cant find any for 2.4.. Is it that there are no neomagic fb support in 2.4 or is it just that I have to manually get/compile that module myself? |
| 15:53.59 | asg | !screenshot |
| 15:53.59 | dpkg | screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 15:54.01 | solemnwarning | samba is 338,339,445 TCP isnt it? |
| 15:54.06 | solemnwarning | is it? |
| 15:54.17 | pureone | nope shouldnt be |
| 15:54.21 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 15:54.28 | pureone | 135-139 455 tcp/udp |
| 15:54.30 | suifur | solemnwarning, i told you its 337, 338, 339 and 445 man |
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| 15:54.32 | kensuke | dpkg rules |
| 15:54.32 | dpkg | rules is probably 1) Don't ask to ask. Just say your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 15:54.34 | suifur | errr 1* |
| 15:54.38 | suifur | 137-139* |
| 15:54.38 | kensuke | oops |
| 15:54.45 | setnf | asg only if i install imagemagick or gimp ? |
| 15:54.52 | suifur | stupid laptop keyboard |
| 15:55.00 | bushwakko | does webmin have problems being used through an ssh tunnel ? |
| 15:55.05 | asg | setnf: no, xwd is part of the standard X core |
| 15:55.15 | setnf | asg ok w8 |
| 15:55.16 | suifur | webmin is trash </end rant> |
| 15:55.25 | greycat | that's not a rant. it's just the truth. |
| 15:55.36 | anhi | well, it might help beginners... |
| 15:55.40 | kensuke | bushwakko .... what u using webmin for ? |
| 15:55.42 | suifur | greycat, true ;) |
| 15:55.46 | asg | anhi: get pwned, yes |
| 15:55.51 | setnf | asg.. how to use xwd for a simple screenshot ? |
| 15:56.05 | abrotman | who2: it idd |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | did |
| 15:56.24 | zinx | asg: naw, that's what all the php scripts are for |
| 15:56.24 | nevyn | on unix systems do we like 101 keys or 104 keys on our keyboards? |
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| 15:56.37 | greycat | nevyn: personal pref. |
| 15:56.38 | zinx | nevyn: 74 |
| 15:56.50 | sobersabre | :) |
| 15:57.01 | sobersabre | i have 86 |
| 15:57.06 | nevyn | I personally like having more modifiers but I'm interested in consensis. |
| 15:57.07 | suifur | asg, I learned how to manually edit config files by hand as a beginner, so should every other beginner ;) The only thing webmin will do is make them lazy and reliant on insecure software |
| 15:57.18 | tweekken_ | I have a happy hacker keyboard so I have less physical keys |
| 15:57.19 | zinx | nevyn: there is no consensus, this is linux |
| 15:57.22 | asg | suifur: agreed |
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| 15:57.30 | nevyn | zinx: you make an excellent point. |
| 15:57.53 | bushwakko | fixed it |
| 15:57.53 | bushwakko | it was opera that was acting up :/ |
| 15:57.53 | WolfDSL | suifur : agreed |
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| 15:58.13 | WolfDSL | webmin does not help newbs, man does. |
| 15:58.18 | kensuke | opera and webmin ... ;-) |
| 15:58.23 | bushwakko | hehe |
| 15:58.26 | bushwakko | it doesn't work? |
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| 15:58.37 | kensuke | sounds like a recipe for a headache |
| 15:58.41 | Random832 | isn't there a webmin man2html plugin? or am i imagining it? |
| 15:58.48 | suifur | WolfDSL, meh, man pages are kind of a pain too, http://tldp.org is their best bet :) |
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| 15:59.08 | Random832 | suifur: if the manpages were better-written |
| 15:59.27 | setnf | asg.. how to use xwd for a simple screenshot ? |
| 15:59.32 | zinx | WolfDSL: it helps win32 users feel at home.. makes their box every bit as fast, reliable, and secure as windows, and provides every bit as much power. |
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| 15:59.40 | gypsymauro | hello.I've problem burning cd with kernel 2.6.8 it seems there is incompatibility, any hint? |
| 15:59.49 | greycat | gypsymauro: use 2.6.7. |
| 16:00.08 | WolfDSL | zinx : lol :] |
| 16:00.09 | suifur | zinx, webmin is a gaping pile of crap that does nothing to help... it only botches up config files, not edit them properly. |
| 16:00.09 | valdyn | gypsymauro: try as root |
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| 16:00.24 | stew | greycat: are there problems with burning in 2.6.8-2 that don't exist in 2.6.7? |
| 16:00.25 | valdyn | gypsymauro: or do what greycat said |
| 16:00.29 | greycat | stew: yes. |
| 16:00.38 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 16:00.38 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
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| 16:01.10 | nanok | btw, is there a general lack in the stock sarge/unstable kernels (or just 2.6.x on sarge), about dma support? |
| 16:01.12 | lzsilva | how I can generete md5 passwords based on normal words ? |
| 16:01.16 | nanok | or is it just me? :) |
| 16:01.16 | gypsymauro | valdyn: I tried as root now I'll try with 2.7:) |
| 16:01.17 | zinx | suifur: exactly |
| 16:01.21 | nevyn | great. |
| 16:01.24 | Random832 | setnf: why you wouldn't use import, i don't know, but xwd -root > sshot.xwd |
| 16:01.31 | zinx | suifur: hence, my statement holds ;) |
| 16:01.36 | Random832 | converting this file requires imagemagick anyway, so why not just use import |
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| 16:01.39 | ea8946 | lzsilva, use htpasswd |
| 16:01.55 | ea8946 | lzsilva, included in the apache |
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| 16:02.19 | setnf | Random832: i want use import... but not present on my system... needs install what ? |
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| 16:02.43 | WolfDSL | if you have php the md5() works great for this ;o |
| 16:02.45 | WolfDSL | bye |
| 16:03.00 | asg | setnf: just install imagemagick and use import |
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| 16:03.16 | setnf | asg thanks! |
| 16:03.22 | suifur | zinx, heh, i missed the "as windows" lol |
| 16:03.37 | suifur | i just skimmed it cuz im doing calculus as we speak |
| 16:04.01 | Random832 | setnf: imagemagick |
| 16:04.37 | nix000 | i have my (secured) home wifi network and my (securee) work wifi network. anyone has idea how i can configure /etc/network/interfaces so i can disconnect from one and connect/disconnect between work/home by issuing a simple ifup/ifdown ? |
| 16:04.38 | lzsilva | teste:$apr1$Kk50q...$n99o2CBck60dM5FNjbmgW/ |
| 16:04.57 | zinx | apr? o_O |
| 16:05.20 | asg | !kernel of instability is also http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme) |
| 16:05.21 | dpkg | asg: okay |
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| 16:06.31 | nix000 | i also have only one wifi interface. i tried virtual interface to no avail. maybe i am missing something. |
| 16:06.34 | Random832 | heh - funny... for a long time lots of people believed the kernel versions did that when it didn't |
| 16:07.06 | gypsymauro | tanx |
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| 16:07.56 | asg | nix000: write a wrapper script to switch different versions of /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup or ifdown. |
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| 16:08.34 | petemc | asg: one already exists :) |
| 16:08.40 | petemc | network switcher or some such |
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| 16:09.04 | asg | petemc: yes but it might be more full featured than he needs and, besides, it will give him a fun project to hack on. |
| 16:09.10 | petemc | true |
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| 16:11.01 | nix000 | petemc: where did you see it ? |
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| 16:11.17 | petemc | nix000: ive used it, cant remember the name otomh |
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| 16:13.08 | petemc | nix000: switchconf |
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| 16:14.50 | nix000 | thanks |
| 16:14.55 | miib | Hi.. I wanna run a command at boot (/usr/sbin/tp-scroll /dev/mouse /dev/imouse &). Where do I add it ? |
| 16:15.10 | dezuria_ | when im trying to install the nvidia drivers, it says kernel tree source cant be found ? what is wrong ? |
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| 16:16.01 | asg | miib: add a sysv init script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) |
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| 16:16.14 | PerfDave | dezuria_: How are you trying to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:16.23 | dezuria_ | sh NVIDIA ..... |
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| 16:16.39 | PerfDave | dezuria_: Don't do that, you'll fuck your system. |
| 16:16.43 | PerfDave | dezuria_: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
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| 16:17.11 | dezuria_ | okey tnx! |
| 16:17.12 | stew | !fuck the system |
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| 16:17.29 | PerfDave | !nvidia one liner |
| 16:17.29 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. ... |
| 16:17.53 | miib | asg: okie.. There is not a more simple way ? |
| 16:17.55 | PerfDave | Uhm, why is dpkg cutting that factoid off? |
| 16:18.08 | greycat | PerfDave: because dondelelcaro made it act funny, again. |
| 16:18.19 | asg | miib: /msg dpkg rc.local (for other potential options and an explanation) |
| 16:18.20 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Please fix dpkg |
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| 16:18.30 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 16:18.38 | miib | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.45 | PerfDave | dezuria_: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 16:18.58 | miib | asg: okie .. Thanks |
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| 16:19.52 | Blackvel | cool |
| 16:19.55 | Blackvel | i found the confixx bug |
| 16:20.05 | Blackvel | the email password has to be only 12 characters, not 13 :) |
| 16:20.19 | zinx | hah, i love password limits |
| 16:20.43 | drp|lab | anyone ever use exceed here ... just wanted to know what you needed on the server side of that app (on the linux machine) to work |
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| 16:21.59 | Blackvel | well the problem with it is, you can just change it for /etc/passwd, then at least the postfix outlook or any other pop3 check works |
| 16:22.06 | Blackvel | but of course no webmail confixx check works |
| 16:22.23 | Blackvel | anyways, I'll have to get this IMAP + squirrelmail solution running :) |
| 16:23.36 | greycat | drp|lab: exceed *is* the server side. it's the X server. |
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| 16:25.24 | drp|lab | greycat: does it have to be running on both the host and client machine |
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| 16:26.18 | drp|lab | greycat: I use it mostly to connect to linux machines in the same building as I from a windows machine so that I have a virtual X desktop |
| 16:26.38 | asplodzor | why not use vnc? |
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| 16:27.08 | drp|lab | asplodzor: exceed is just what our school uses |
| 16:27.11 | greycat | !tell drp|lab about x faq |
| 16:27.15 | greycat | !tell drp|lab about xfaq |
| 16:27.22 | greycat | dpkg, no, x faq is <reply> see xfaq |
| 16:27.22 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:27.30 | asplodzor | drp|lab: ah ok |
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| 16:28.32 | drp|lab | asplodzor: I might try vnc as well |
| 16:28.44 | drp|lab | thanks greycat |
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| 16:29.03 | asplodzor | drp|lab: what port / port range does exceem use? |
| 16:29.16 | micker | anyone know of any otjer tools besides rar for linux that will uncompress a rar file? the actual rar program _will not_ be able to be used on the system.... |
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| 16:29.37 | drp|lab | asplodzor: not sure ... was wondering the same |
| 16:30.05 | Photar | how do I configure ftpd? |
| 16:30.34 | pingouin_ | Photar: with time and experiences |
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| 16:31.12 | greycat | Photar: and a man page. |
| 16:31.21 | Photar | pingouin_: I mean where is the config for it. |
| 16:31.40 | greycat | what does "man ftpd" say? |
| 16:31.59 | pingouin_ | Photar: i dont know, if i need ftpd, i run vsftpd |
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| 16:32.46 | micker | Photar: why not 'locate ftpd' |
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| 16:33.05 | greycat | micker: yeah, that would turn up the man page too. |
| 16:33.14 | jarmo | what's the command in debian to add things to start automagically? |
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| 16:33.36 | pingouin_ | abracadastart «apps» |
| 16:33.44 | jarmo | thanks |
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| 16:34.43 | micker | so no ideas on how to crack open a rar file? |
| 16:34.46 | jarmo | aw it wasn't that? |
| 16:35.00 | pingouin_ | :D |
| 16:35.02 | jarmo | .. |
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| 16:35.05 | jarmo | biaatch |
| 16:35.08 | jarmo | so what is it |
| 16:35.15 | greycat | my god. |
| 16:35.16 | Photar | I see options for ftpd but I cant find how its being started or a config file. |
| 16:35.23 | greycat | Photar: inetd.conf |
| 16:35.24 | pingouin_ | greycat: :D |
| 16:35.29 | hellman | Q? can i search for a usb device and finde de connection point too it .. like /dev/input/mice . |
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| 16:35.49 | justin | !wayttd hellman |
| 16:35.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hellman? |
| 16:35.51 | hellman | de = the ... even |
| 16:36.01 | hellman | find my MX700 |
| 16:36.11 | jarmo | rc-update add mysql default <--- so that's it for gentoo, what is it in debian? |
| 16:36.16 | pingouin_ | jarmo: that depends, some can be lauch throught ~/.xinitrc some have to be done with the debian system start |
| 16:36.19 | Photar | greycat: thanks |
| 16:36.31 | justin | jarmo: the default is the default. unless you broke it, it already starts by itself. |
| 16:36.37 | jarmo | .. |
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| 16:37.01 | jarmo | I said that's the command which is in gentoo, I wanna know howto add it to debian |
| 16:37.04 | zahod | jarmo, look at /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:37.07 | jarmo | k |
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| 16:37.50 | Photar | why isnt ftpd in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 16:38.12 | PaStIlleRo | ingleses¿??¿ |
| 16:38.13 | PaStIlleRo | JAJAJAJA |
| 16:38.16 | PaStIlleRo | joderos |
| 16:38.19 | PaStIlleRo | ijoputasssss |
| 16:38.24 | pingouin_ | ok |
| 16:38.27 | zahod | also man update-rc.d |
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| 16:38.49 | SonnyChiba | does intel GMA 900 have good support/drivers under linux? |
| 16:39.38 | stew | Photar: is your ftp server being controlled by [x]inetd? |
| 16:39.48 | greycat | Photar: because the traditional unix ftpd is run from inetd. |
| 16:40.19 | Photar | heck if I know I'm a noob |
| 16:41.23 | sml | Photar: netstat -pantl |
| 16:41.43 | sml | phorce1: or better netstat -pantl | grep ftp |
| 16:42.09 | stew | Photar: did you install an ftp server? which one? |
| 16:42.13 | stew | Photar: man inetd ; man inetd.conf |
| 16:42.34 | Photar | I've got the bsd one |
| 16:43.10 | greycat | Photar: grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 16:43.59 | Photar | greycat: yeah its in there |
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| 16:46.57 | ezra-s | anyone here has managed to install any debian into an s/390 machine? |
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| 16:47.21 | patrick_star | hello guys |
| 16:47.28 | ea8946 | ezra-s, ah, missed that. i have on PA-RISC, SPARC and DEC ALPHA |
| 16:47.31 | Photar | score I fixed it. I was trying to change the default umask to 022 from 027. |
| 16:47.34 | patrick_star | has anyone from you guys know how to manage tape drive ? |
| 16:47.40 | ezra-s | ea8946, wow |
| 16:48.11 | ezra-s | ea8946, Id like to install debian on one, so I would be able to stop using suse |
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| 16:48.31 | ea8946 | ezra-s, it's so convenient to be able to run the same OS on such a variety of architectures |
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| 16:48.47 | patrick_star | hello guys |
| 16:48.53 | asplodzor | hello |
| 16:48.54 | ezra-s | ea8946, yeap, although in my case i just need x86 and s/390 |
| 16:48.58 | patrick_star | has anyone from you know how to manage a tape drive ? |
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| 16:49.10 | patrick_star | how can i check if my media is working ? |
| 16:49.11 | ea8946 | ezra-s, actually i did have suse on that SPARC before i installed debian |
| 16:49.27 | ezra-s | ea8946, did you like it? |
| 16:49.53 | ea8946 | ezra-s, sorry, you mean if i liked debian? |
| 16:50.23 | ezra-s | ea8946, if you liked having suse |
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| 16:50.35 | ezra-s | ea8946, I take for granted you liked debian :) |
| 16:51.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: oracle database configuration management assistant failed |
| 16:51.08 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: everything else looks good |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: why? |
| 16:51.13 | petemc | jharrisonwk: you need to edit the script |
| 16:51.20 | jharrisonwk | petemc: which script? |
| 16:51.22 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: did you read all the instructions? |
| 16:51.26 | petemc | jharrisonwk: vim `which omca` |
| 16:51.30 | petemc | gah |
| 16:51.32 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: there is a section about that one iirc |
| 16:51.42 | petemc | i installed oracle 9i last week |
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| 16:51.55 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: then gentclsh ? |
| 16:51.58 | abrotman | rer the |
| 16:52.05 | ea8946 | ezra-s, yes indeed, i liked debian much more |
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| 16:52.30 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what? |
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| 16:52.49 | ezra-s | ea8946, im having kind of a nightmare handling packages dependencies on suse and redhat, debian owns them by far |
| 16:52.52 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: in the thing i gvae you .. there's a section about removing a line in the bin/gentclsh file |
| 16:52.59 | abrotman | err .. that's right |
| 16:53.02 | abrotman | bin/genclntsh |
| 16:53.04 | abrotman | there we go |
| 16:53.10 | jharrisonwk | ah |
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| 16:53.27 | jrift00 | hi. does anyone know anything about power management? I have a problem with standby on my laptop |
| 16:53.30 | CyzarX | where can i create a dir as a user? |
| 16:53.36 | asg | CyzarX: in your $HOME |
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| 16:53.45 | CyzarX | i mean other than home |
| 16:53.46 | jrift00 | ~ |
| 16:53.49 | asg | CyzarX: /tmp |
| 16:53.49 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.56 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: had you done that step ? |
| 16:54.00 | CyzarX | other than tmp ? |
| 16:54.00 | jharrisonwk | no |
| 16:54.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: missed that for some reason |
| 16:54.08 | Noid | CyzarX: broadly speaking, anywhere you have right to |
| 16:54.08 | valdyn | jrift00: vagueness kills ( every laptop acts different.. ) |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | !punish jharrisonwk for not following instructions |
| 16:54.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:54.18 | asg | jrift00: if it's ACPI based, try tuxmobile.org for info on your model and if it works at all. Also, see acpi.sourceforge.net |
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| 16:54.29 | jrift00 | i wanted to see if anyone knew anything at all before going into detail... |
| 16:54.32 | CyzarX | Noid, however, when i try /usr/share/ i cant create there |
| 16:54.35 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: and don't forget the awk part |
| 16:54.39 | petemc | jharrisonwk: is this 9i? |
| 16:54.54 | CyzarX | how do i know where dir i have priviledge to create dir ? |
| 16:54.55 | greycat | !tell jrift00 about ask |
| 16:54.58 | abrotman | petemc: check this url .. is this close to your steps ? http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4853&15 |
| 16:55.03 | Noid | CyzarX: there is a reason for that, it being that you are not supposed to |
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| 16:55.09 | vhuren | is there a way to share a directory using apache where users are required to authenicate before they gain access and it can be mapped in windows as a share? |
| 16:55.13 | jrift00 | Dell Inspiron 1000, Mobile C-2200, 256Mb, Sis650, Debian, Kernel 2.6.9 |
| 16:55.14 | jharrisonwk | petemc: yes |
| 16:55.22 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I figured that out on my own |
| 16:55.23 | greycat | vhuren: that's two separate questions. yes, and yes. |
| 16:55.30 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: but I see it is in your doc |
| 16:55.38 | greycat | vhuren: of course, the SECOND part has nothing at all to do with the FIRST part. |
| 16:56.06 | jrift00 | When I close the lid, the laptop enters standby, but when I open it and press the power button, the lights flash as if it's about to restart, like in windows, but the screen stays blank |
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| 16:56.10 | petemc | abrotman: not really, some of the steps are there, but for the helper tools, like odca, you need to edit the scripts and change the path to the jre |
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| 16:56.23 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: trying it again |
| 16:56.24 | abrotman | petemc: i used thier jre i guess .. not my own |
| 16:56.24 | Noid | CyzarX: check the permissions of the dirs where you want to create other dirs |
| 16:56.27 | valdyn | jrift00: what are you using for standby? custom script? |
| 16:56.29 | jrift00 | the only way to restart it to hold the button until power off then start up again |
| 16:56.41 | abrotman | petemc: notice the part where i say i never got the OCS actually working :) |
| 16:56.44 | petemc | jharrisonwk: if you need the agent to work, you'll have to download another 330 meg to take you up a revision |
| 16:56.54 | KernelSanders | hi, i installed woody with kernel 2.4.18-686 but my soundcard isn't recognized, i tried running sndconfig, but that didn't work either, however, if i boot dyne:bolic live cd, which is debian-based, i have sound...so how do i figure out what's going right in dyne:bolic, then apply/tweak it to woody? |
| 16:56.56 | jrift00 | at the moment, just the behaviour setting in kde's control setting for the lid button. |
| 16:56.59 | petemc | agent segfaults otherwise |
| 16:57.05 | asg | jrift00: apparently, that model supports apm. Try passing acpi=off to the kernel at boot and see if you get better functionality. |
| 16:57.11 | abrotman | petemc: but .. we talked to some oracle people .. apparently OCS is nearly impossible to get working with out 27 oracle engineers :) |
| 16:57.23 | petemc | i got it going :) |
| 16:57.25 | jrift00 | ok, thanks. i'll try that on the next reboot |
| 16:57.32 | abrotman | petemc: OCS or oracle9i ? |
| 16:57.43 | jharrisonwk | petemc: which revision?? |
| 16:57.46 | petemc | 9i and 10g |
| 16:57.52 | abrotman | petemc: what about OCS ? |
| 16:58.04 | vhuren | greycat: i've done it with htaccess but like i want files on there to be editable and uploadable etc.. ;) |
| 16:58.10 | abrotman | petemc: i got the database working fine .. and the app server .. but the OCS wouldn't work right |
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| 16:58.14 | jharrisonwk | what does the configuration assistant allow me to do? |
| 16:58.18 | jharrisonwk | is it required |
| 16:58.18 | petemc | abrotman: never even heard of it, thought you were talkign about the helper tools |
| 16:58.23 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: it failed by the way |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | petemc: no .. |
| 16:58.27 | jrift00 | as i've found myself in a linux chatroom, i thought i'd ask. After spending ages getting wireless networking going, i'm not so stubborn anymore :) |
| 16:58.37 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: some of those .. if oyu miss the step .. you have to start over |
| 16:58.39 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: maybe I need to start over? |
| 16:58.42 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok |
| 16:58.47 | mcv | ola |
| 16:58.50 | abrotman | petemc: http://www.oracle.com/collabsuite/index.html |
| 16:59.09 | abrotman | petemc: but if you can get that OCS working .. let me know . i'd be interested |
| 16:59.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I will start over |
| 16:59.21 | KernelSanders | please, for the love of god, someone please help me |
| 16:59.27 | jarmo | which mysql should be for verlihub? |
| 16:59.29 | petemc | abrotman: i dont have a requirement for it |
| 16:59.30 | greycat | !tell KernelSanders about ask |
| 16:59.33 | jrift00 | i'm gonna go and do some testing. thanks for your help |
| 16:59.37 | jarmo | just paste me that apt-get install thing.. |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | KernelSanders: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 16:59.47 | abrotman | petemc: i just gave you one!! |
| 16:59.51 | petemc | heh |
| 16:59.52 | valdyn | jrift00: try google for your model and the usual websites, laptops needing _alot_ of customisation is just normal - in your case, as in most - some driver is not resuming properly from standby |
| 16:59.53 | stew | KernelSanders: what kind of sound card? |
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| 17:00.04 | KernelSanders | c-media |
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| 17:00.18 | stew | KernelSanders: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:00.22 | greycat | KernelSanders: run modconf, load the driver. |
| 17:00.37 | KernelSanders | i'm not at the computer right now...can't uname |
| 17:00.38 | greycat | usually cmipci |
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| 17:00.39 | jarmo | just do apt-get install alsaconf |
| 17:00.44 | abrotman | petemc: i sppent a lot of time trying to get OCS workign .. i got pretty good at getting oracle going :) |
| 17:00.46 | jarmo | and let it do the business |
| 17:00.47 | greycat | jarmo: he said *woody*. |
| 17:00.48 | abrotman | but not that damn OCS |
| 17:00.51 | jarmo | k |
| 17:00.54 | jarmo | not listening =P |
| 17:00.57 | jarmo | but for me? |
| 17:01.01 | KernelSanders | ok greycat...thanks too abrotman |
| 17:01.02 | jarmo | which mysql for verlihub |
| 17:01.12 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, its not too bad when you get your head round it |
| 17:01.15 | greycat | what the FUCK is a verlihub? and what does "which mysql" mean? |
| 17:01.22 | jarmo | k |
| 17:01.26 | robin | I just installed AMD64-gcc4.0 debian instead of the pure64 version, but my KDE is got corrupted images..(konqueror with empty screen etc) |
| 17:01.27 | qwertz | Can anybody tell me how I can centralize the authorization of my user accounts (ftp, samba, maybe ssh)? |
| 17:01.28 | abrotman | petemc: and the fact they assume RHAS2.1 .. which sucks greatly :) |
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| 17:01.40 | jarmo | just let it be then if it's too painfull |
| 17:01.41 | greycat | robin: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 17:02.03 | greycat | qwertz: samba and (everything else) can't share a common authentication mechanism. |
| 17:02.03 | patrick_star | qwerty: put all the authentication on ldap |
| 17:02.52 | abrotman | qwertz: ldap |
| 17:03.02 | abrotman | samba has ldap .. as do the rest iirc |
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| 17:03.10 | abrotman | qwertz: ask #openldap if it's possible |
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| 17:03.17 | nevyn | greycat: ldap |
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| 17:03.38 | greycat | nevyn: did they HAVE to choose something that hurts so badly? |
| 17:03.55 | greycat | nevyn: why couldn't they have made it... oh, what's that word I'm looking for... oh, yeah, SIMPLE?!? |
| 17:04.00 | fugit | trying to get cronjob to access my keychain, works fine when I'm logged in |
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| 17:04.18 | nevyn | greycat: well most things can use PAM and you could use PAM_mysql if you wanted to. |
| 17:04.19 | fugit | but cron never seems to use my keychain |
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| 17:04.40 | greycat | nevyn: "most things" don't include the dozens of HP-UX 10 boxes we have. :) |
| 17:04.53 | nevyn | true. |
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| 17:05.09 | gust1 | :) |
| 17:05.17 | ggl_6 | I want to dynamically allocate memory to char *foo. is there a better way than using malloc? |
| 17:05.19 | micker | anyone with any ideas about hw to open a rar archive? |
| 17:05.19 | nevyn | while simplicity is admirable.. not using pam takes it too far. |
| 17:05.23 | asg | ggl_6: #c will know |
| 17:05.28 | nevyn | micker: use unrar |
| 17:05.52 | asg | greycat: does HPUX even have pam? |
| 17:05.54 | nevyn | it might be in non-free or you may have to find it on the net yourself. |
| 17:06.08 | fugit | keith@fugit:~$ apt-cache search unrar |
| 17:06.08 | fugit | unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 17:06.08 | fugit | unrar-nonfree - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
| 17:06.15 | ggl_6 | oops wrong channel |
| 17:06.15 | greycat | nevyn: all I know about LDAP is "it's got a syntax too ugly to live" and "why the HELL does everyone in #qmail think they need special qmail patches to use it? what the fuck kind of unix authentication mechanism can't interact with libc?" |
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| 17:06.34 | micker | nevyn: debian/sparc.. the binary isnt supported... looking for another solution |
| 17:06.36 | greycat | asg: HP-UX 11 might. 10 doesn't. |
| 17:06.39 | BR_ | ggl_6: malloc is the way... |
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| 17:07.24 | rug | What is the purpose of sarge...would you recommend it for a normal user who wants to get things to work? |
| 17:07.26 | nevyn | micker: the unrar package should be availible on sparc |
| 17:07.33 | greycat | rug: yes |
| 17:07.34 | asg | rug: yes |
| 17:07.37 | nevyn | micker: what version of rar is the archive? |
| 17:07.46 | micker | fugit: i'm an idiot... I just tried from the tarball at rar labs, I didnt even think to look for it in the repository... its there... thanks! |
| 17:07.51 | nevyn | rug: for a desktop absolutely |
| 17:08.00 | fugit | micker: np |
| 17:08.27 | rug | but I heard some packages like mplayer havent been added to the repositories of sarge... |
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| 17:08.33 | greycat | rug: never will, either. |
| 17:08.36 | asg | rug: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 17:08.39 | greycat | rug: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:08.40 | asg | rug: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:08.41 | asg | bah |
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| 17:09.01 | nevyn | greycat: it might be in a very crippled form |
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| 17:09.15 | stew | greycat: its in the new queue currently, do you think it will be rejected? |
| 17:09.29 | nevyn | stew: it's happened before. |
| 17:09.32 | stew | i know |
| 17:09.46 | Seldo | Installing debian for the first time: if I don't configure any network devices at install, will it still be possible to add the drivers for my wireless card later without reinstalling? |
| 17:09.47 | greycat | nevyn: all I know is that if I can't call getpwnam(3) on an LDAP account and get EXACTLY the same thing I'd get if it were on NIS, then LDAP is shit and I shall continue ignoring it. |
| 17:09.47 | nevyn | but then ffmpeg got in but it's now worthless. all the good stuff is off. |
| 17:09.55 | qwertz | abrotman, thanks will have a look |
| 17:09.59 | rug | thanks for the help |
| 17:10.02 | rug | ciao |
| 17:10.03 | PerfDave | Seldo: Yes |
| 17:10.20 | nevyn | greycat: umm doesn't that use the normal libc nsswitch stuff? |
| 17:10.21 | Seldo | perfdave: yay! thanks. |
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| 17:10.40 | nevyn | NIS is crap. 8char passwords are so 15 years ago. |
| 17:10.45 | stew | greycat: oh nevermind i didn't see that he was saying sarge, yes it will never be in sarge |
| 17:10.51 | greycat | nevyn: nsswitch.conf has no references to ldap on any system I've ever used. |
| 17:10.55 | PerfDave | LDAP isn't too hard to get sorted, LDAPS is significantly trickier. |
| 17:11.01 | fugit | any ideas on using keychain from a cronjob? |
| 17:11.07 | asg | greycat: libnss-ldap - NSS module for using LDAP as a naming service |
| 17:11.12 | snoke | how discard default route what server gives dhclient ? |
| 17:11.19 | greycat | stew: oh? that's news to me. I didn't know it was going into sid. |
| 17:11.36 | asg | snoke: delete the route using 'route' |
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| 17:11.40 | nevyn | bleh not 8char non-shadow |
| 17:11.42 | sml | snoke: route del default |
| 17:11.43 | greycat | asg: then: 1) why isn't that part of the base system? 2) why doesn't man nsswitch.conf contain the string "ldap"? |
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| 17:12.08 | greycat | !depends libnss-ldap sarge |
| 17:12.16 | asg | greycat: 1) it isn't used enough to justify it's inclusion I expect, 2) you have to add that string |
| 17:12.19 | stew | greycat: its been sitting in the new queue on ftp-master for a week now it could very likely still get rejected, or course |
| 17:12.30 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
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| 17:12.45 | dpkg | libnss-ldap: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), debconf |
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| 17:14.00 | asg | greycat: I'd rather use NIS if it weren't so damn insecure. |
| 17:14.22 | nevyn | yay for world readable passwords. |
| 17:14.31 | greycat | password *hashes*. |
| 17:14.38 | snoke | asg: sml: i know that, but i need conf dhclient discard default route |
| 17:14.39 | greycat | but yes, the point is valid. |
| 17:14.44 | nevyn | greycat: it's almost the same thing. |
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| 17:15.00 | asg | snoke: then use a dhclient that allows you to do that. man dhclient or try dhcp3 |
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| 17:15.12 | nevyn | greycat: consider most passwords suck and you can brute force 10 char passwords in what. a week? |
| 17:15.17 | snoke | i have dhclient3 |
| 17:15.32 | greycat | nevyn: on HP-UX 10, there's no shadow anyway, so if you have a local shell, you can read all the password hashes even if you *don't* use NIS. |
| 17:15.32 | pestilence | could somebody tell me why i get this error: "growisofs is being executed under sudo, aborting!", when i am not running under sudo? |
| 17:15.33 | asg | snoke: then read it's manual and, if it doesn't do what you want, try a different client |
| 17:15.59 | nevyn | greycat: see I wouldn't want to have students using such a system |
| 17:16.09 | nevyn | or anyone that I didn't trust completely |
| 17:16.10 | asg | !fear the portmapper |
| 17:16.18 | greycat | nevyn: fortunately most of our users are lucky if they can find the other two mouse buttons. |
| 17:16.43 | sml | greycat: has no one at HP thought that's a bad idea(tm) ? |
| 17:16.59 | greycat | sml: HP-UX 10 is past end of life. it's from around 1994. |
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| 17:17.15 | nevyn | greycat: ummm.. most. you only need one who knows what they're doing to create a real world of suffering for you. |
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| 17:17.25 | sml | greycat: oh right... i assumed it was the latest version of HPUX. the only commerical unix i've used is SunOS. |
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| 17:17.32 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 17:17.49 | nevyn | I've run a 30 desktop linux shop with ldap and nfs and it wasn't so bad. |
| 17:17.52 | nevyn | better than nis |
| 17:17.57 | solemnwarning | how can i make sendmail allow routing to any domain? |
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| 17:18.06 | vahid | hi |
| 17:18.07 | greycat | nevyn: and then someone added an IRIX box, or... |
| 17:18.09 | sml | solemnwarning: add your domain to the Cw macro |
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| 17:18.12 | asg | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 17:18.22 | solemnwarning | Cw macro? |
| 17:18.27 | sml | solemnwarning: man sendmail |
| 17:18.30 | greycat | my mail tutorial does *not* get into sendmail configuration |
| 17:18.30 | nevyn | greycat: never happened. but yes it doesn't solve the legacy unix problem |
| 17:18.36 | solemnwarning | i need sendmail to accept routing to ANY domain |
| 17:18.47 | solemnwarning | not just listed ones |
| 17:18.48 | sml | solemnwarning: or better buy the batbook if you *really* want to use such an esoteric mta |
| 17:18.49 | greycat | solemnwarning: you mean you want to be an open relay? |
| 17:18.52 | nevyn | solemnwarning: why are you using sendmail? |
| 17:19.02 | sml | solemnwarning: thats a BAD idea. |
| 17:19.11 | nevyn | no he said to not from. |
| 17:19.16 | solemnwarning | cos postfix is too hard and i cant even get qmail downloaded and installed |
| 17:19.16 | KLBS_smeagol | I need help with the LVM, if anybody can help my, please open a private with my |
| 17:19.23 | nevyn | accept from localnetwork to * |
| 17:19.30 | asg | solemnwarning: then use exim |
| 17:19.32 | vahid | is it possibe i install debian from ftp( local ftp ), i need install sarge on 10 PCs, |
| 17:19.41 | nevyn | PerfDave: samba as pdc? |
| 17:19.41 | PerfDave | vahid: Read the Installation Manual |
| 17:19.43 | solemnwarning | exim? |
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| 17:19.50 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Are you running Debian? |
| 17:19.50 | solemnwarning | whats exim? |
| 17:19.55 | asg | !exim |
| 17:19.55 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue ... |
| 17:19.59 | solemnwarning | no the external server is fedora |
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| 17:20.07 | solemnwarning | but internal and router is deb |
| 17:20.08 | greycat | asg: nothing is harder to use than sendmail. |
| 17:20.11 | PerfDave | nevyn: Using LDAP as a backend, yes. |
| 17:20.12 | daww | How can I check version for modutils? |
| 17:20.14 | asg | greycat: agreed |
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| 17:20.15 | solemnwarning | i did sendmail easy |
| 17:20.16 | sussudio | !be sendmail barbie |
| 17:20.16 | dpkg | sendmail.cf is HARD! |
| 17:20.18 | greycat | daww: man dpkg |
| 17:20.21 | solemnwarning | cant figure postfix out |
| 17:20.23 | nevyn | asg: some people wonder how ANYTHING could be harder to use than sendmail. |
| 17:20.28 | nevyn | then I saw openldap |
| 17:20.30 | nevyn | ;) |
| 17:20.32 | asg | nevyn: hah |
| 17:20.34 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: So you're not trying to configure sendmail on a Debian box? |
| 17:20.39 | solemnwarning | sendmail.mc + make = easy |
| 17:20.40 | sml | solemnwarning: You'll have fun with m4 then |
| 17:20.48 | solemnwarning | m4? |
| 17:20.52 | nevyn | but seriously most of the time openldap just worked. |
| 17:21.04 | nevyn | had more issues with nfs and 2.2/2.4 than with openldap |
| 17:21.04 | solemnwarning | i would install deb on external server but i dont know enough about deb yet |
| 17:21.05 | greycat | solemnwarning: what the hell are you doing running sendmail? |
| 17:21.07 | sml | solemnwarning: yes it is easy but you wont understand a single line in the sendmail.cf file that way. and when you need to do something tricky you'll be fscked! |
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| 17:21.28 | sml | I should know I used sendmail for ten years. I now use exim. |
| 17:21.30 | slocate | is anywhere to control the "terminal font" in gnome terminal? |
| 17:21.34 | sion | How do I clean the mbr and reinstall lilo on it? |
| 17:21.39 | greycat | sion: lilo |
| 17:21.40 | asg | nevyn: at least you don't have to work with AD from your linux boxes |
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| 17:21.58 | nevyn | asg: hrm AD doesn't strike me as a terrible idea |
| 17:22.00 | ea8946 | slocate, right click on the window, edit current profile |
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| 17:22.15 | sion | thx |
| 17:22.22 | asg | nevyn: no, unless your windows admins update the AD boxes from 2000 to 2003 and kill your libpam-krb5 authentication. |
| 17:22.24 | nevyn | I kinda wanted to play with makeing samba a AD member server but I don't have any windwos machines |
| 17:22.28 | nevyn | OW. |
| 17:22.34 | greycat | AD is not useful because you have to have an admin-level account to get samba to use it. |
| 17:22.46 | slocate | ea8946: well to change whatever font that one resolvs to |
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| 17:22.51 | sml | I have a question :-) If I want to have a raw socket bound to an SSL socket , say I want to use netcat to port 443, can I use stunnel ? |
| 17:23.14 | asg | nevyn: also, you have to extend its schema to use nsswitch and such which the Windows admins refuse to do. |
| 17:23.24 | ea8946 | slocate, you need to add fonts or something? |
| 17:23.27 | sml | i.e. is there something that will do the SSL handshake and then let me control the endpoint ? |
| 17:23.31 | asg | sml: sure |
| 17:23.44 | solemnwarning | does any1 know a postfix tutorial that also says how to allow all mail |
| 17:23.50 | nevyn | asg: they're afraid. |
| 17:24.01 | asg | nevyn: yes and apparently have good reason to be from what I've heard. |
| 17:24.05 | nevyn | asg: I just did the MOC stuff I'm afraid. |
| 17:24.08 | greycat | solemnwarning: DO you want to be an open relay? If so, WHY? |
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| 17:24.15 | nevyn | gpo's are shiny |
| 17:24.17 | asg | nevyn: also, the standard windows tools are completely useless for managing 120K accounts |
| 17:24.19 | sml | greycat: Perhaps he's a spammer :) |
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| 17:24.23 | nevyn | solemnwarning: allowing all mail is BAD |
| 17:24.30 | slocate | ea8946: i would like it to use sabvga for instance |
| 17:24.30 | solemnwarning | for my mail server |
| 17:24.31 | greycat | sml: I have no doubt that he's going to become one. |
| 17:24.42 | nevyn | asg: slow as? |
| 17:24.45 | sml | greycat: Certainly going about it the right way. |
| 17:24.45 | greycat | he's completely beyond hope. |
| 17:24.49 | jak | hello folks... im still trying to get my cpudynd to run... ran into some problems, because /sys/dev./[...]/cpufreq does not exist... |
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| 17:24.52 | slocate | ea8946: which i happen to like.... |
| 17:24.57 | solemnwarning | every time i send mail to a new domain i have to ssh into server and add it to list <_< |
| 17:25.06 | nevyn | jak: what kernel are you running? |
| 17:25.12 | asg | nevyn: yes, slow...very sloow. |
| 17:25.16 | jak | nevyn: 2.6.9 self compiled |
| 17:25.22 | webuser | anyone knows the best place for help on wireless ? |
| 17:25.36 | nevyn | solemnwarning: that's stupid don't specify any outgoing domains. just specify the networks you accept mail FROM and send to anywhere |
| 17:25.43 | nevyn | !ask |
| 17:25.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 17:25.53 | nevyn | webuser: that's for you. |
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| 17:26.16 | greycat | !tell me about ask |
| 17:26.17 | A-abc | i have an application where i have to set the destination ip as a pcap filter..any ideas how ca i do that? |
| 17:26.23 | greycat | Very, very interesting. |
| 17:26.42 | asg | greycat: is it cutting everything off? |
| 17:26.46 | greycat | "!tell me about ..." appears to be the ONLY known way to get the full output of a factoid that exceeds dpkg's new length threshold. |
| 17:26.53 | greycat | asg: "/msg dpkg ask" cuts it off. |
| 17:27.01 | greycat | asg: "!tell me about ask" splits it in to two /msgs. |
| 17:27.03 | nevyn | hrm |
| 17:27.06 | jak | webuser: what is your problem with your wlan? |
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| 17:27.29 | aula | ola |
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| 17:27.47 | webuser | i'm gettin an error |
| 17:27.49 | asg | greycat: very odd |
| 17:27.49 | jak | when i when i try to insert speedstep-lib it seems to work... dmesg tells me that "Access to /proc/cpufreq is deprecated and will be removed from (new) 2.6. kernels soon after 2005-01-01" |
| 17:27.50 | webuser | make[1]: *** Sem regra para processar o alvo `modules'. Pare. |
| 17:27.52 | bluefox83 | can anyone recommend an alternate package to bootsplash? |
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| 17:27.55 | stew | /msg dpkg tell me about... works |
| 17:27.57 | aula | hijos de putaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:28.02 | greycat | webuser: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:28.04 | asg | bluefox83: not using it? |
| 17:28.08 | greycat | aula: go away. |
| 17:28.20 | webuser | when following the spteps to get my intel2100 wqorking |
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| 17:28.30 | greycat | webuser: *WHAT* steps? |
| 17:28.30 | resiak | !tell webuser -about enter |
| 17:28.31 | nevyn | the kernel build is i18n'd that's cool. |
| 17:28.36 | bluefox83 | asg, i'd like a nice little boot screen, but bootsplash is b0rked |
| 17:28.43 | greycat | nevyn: no, that's just make(1). |
| 17:28.53 | nevyn | damn. |
| 17:28.56 | jak | webuser: what steps/what is the error... im speakin english :) |
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| 17:29.04 | nevyn | everything should be i18n'd |
| 17:29.09 | troubl1 | me and my friend have just setup debian as a router for a small network but... when i bootup dhcpdiscove cannot get an ip address from my modem, any suggestions ? |
| 17:29.15 | dgarcia | I have a problem with ssh... it is a delay problem when logging |
| 17:29.23 | nevyn | troubl1: what kind of modem? |
| 17:29.28 | troubl1 | cable |
| 17:29.47 | nevyn | it's straight dhcp usually? |
| 17:29.56 | troubl1 | thats what we thought |
| 17:30.09 | stew | troubl1: pull the power cord from the modem to force it to reset |
| 17:30.10 | nite613 | troubl1: Is it a cable modem or DSL? |
| 17:30.18 | asg | bluefox83: close your eyes and imagine naked women or men for the 20 seconds it takes to boot. |
| 17:30.19 | troubl1 | cable modem |
| 17:30.29 | asg | bluefox83: that's what I do, or go get a beer or take a piss |
| 17:30.34 | nite613 | troubl1: Some cable modems are set to talk only to one MAC address unless you properly release the DHCP lease before switching NICs |
| 17:30.49 | dgarcia | when I do dig it said me: "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"... any idea? |
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| 17:30.59 | troubl1 | yes the modem does use a mac address |
| 17:31.03 | nite613 | troubl1: Plug in whatever machine was working, issue a proper DHCP release (I don't remember how offhand), then try |
| 17:31.16 | stew | troubl1: some cable modems won't give out a new lease unless they reset, and some don't reset when you simply turn them off you have to pull the plug on them |
| 17:31.18 | asg | dgarcia: does 'dig @somenameserver.you.know.exists foo.com' also return the same error? |
| 17:31.25 | troubl1 | nite: we tried that |
| 17:31.32 | nite613 | Alright, dunno then |
| 17:31.36 | troubl1 | ty |
| 17:31.42 | nite613 | that's a common trouble though, I was screwed by it when a NIC died on me |
| 17:32.06 | PerfDave | troubl1: You could use /etc/network/interfaces to change the MAC address of the NIC in your Debian card into that of the machine that was working. |
| 17:32.06 | nite613 | stew is right. The cable modem Rogers gave me needed to be unplugged for 24hrs to clear the MAC association. |
| 17:32.07 | troubl1 | yeah its a bummer to workaround |
| 17:32.09 | dgarcia | asg: yes |
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| 17:32.18 | nite613 | At least, that's what they told me and it did work :P |
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| 17:32.23 | asg | dgarcia: any firewall in place? |
| 17:32.32 | troubl1 | the comp that is working is a windoze |
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| 17:32.36 | asg | dgarcia: can you ping the nameserver in question? |
| 17:32.50 | dgarcia | asg: yes is the same machine |
| 17:32.51 | troubl1 | no |
| 17:32.52 | nite613 | troubl1: I'm off to visit a customer. Good luck with your problem |
| 17:33.02 | troubl1 | ok ty nite |
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| 17:33.23 | dvs | troubl1: It's 12:30 ;-) |
| 17:33.25 | asg | dgarcia: oh, the nameserver is localhost? does 'dig @localhost foo.com' work? |
| 17:33.43 | troubl1 | dvs: your point is ?? |
| 17:33.51 | msn | I am facing a peculiar probloem with my audio/sound output, while xmms/mpg123 is running sound breaks while the song is being played, I checked the process table for any heavy duty processes but all processor is about 9% most of the time. but sound breaks frequently |
| 17:33.59 | dvs | troubl1: It's not night ;-) |
| 17:34.04 | greycat | msn: ALSA or OSS? |
| 17:34.10 | msn | ALSA |
| 17:34.16 | dgarcia | asg: no, the same problem! |
| 17:34.16 | troubl1 | the guy i was talking to was called nite |
| 17:34.29 | greycat | msn: AHA! YAY, it's not just me who couldn't get ALSA to work! |
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| 17:34.38 | greycat | msn: I just went back to 2.4.x and OSS and stayed happy. |
| 17:34.38 | msn | lol |
| 17:34.38 | asg | dgarcia: then it isn't configured properly (your nameserver that is) |
| 17:34.50 | msn | well I am using alsa with 2.4 |
| 17:35.01 | resiak | !start a sound system war |
| 17:35.03 | resiak | :( |
| 17:35.04 | msn | 2.6 is still a big no no for me. I love 2.4 |
| 17:35.27 | dgarcia | dgarcia: but if i do a ping to a machine it´s works, for example ping a1.domain.com |
| 17:35.43 | dgarcia | asg: but if i do a ping to a machine it´s works, for example ping a1.domain.com |
| 17:35.43 | asg | dgarcia: that's because /etc/resolv.conf is correctly configured. |
| 17:35.52 | msn | well I have no qualms in using any of them. just that it should work |
| 17:35.54 | msn | :) |
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| 17:37.03 | dgarcia | asg: the problem start when i change the IP of the server to another network |
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| 17:37.47 | dgarcia | asg: and I detect a ssh logging dalay when ssh 192.168.x.x |
| 17:38.10 | asg | dgarcia: that's probably a reverse lookup timing out |
| 17:39.03 | dgarcia | asg: Ok, you know that is a DNS problem? |
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| 17:40.05 | asg | dgarcia: I suspect that is the reason for the delay, yes. |
| 17:40.07 | sussudio | "Vegetarians were burnt to death during the Inquisition as it was thought heretical to refuse to kill and eat animals." |
| 17:40.10 | sussudio | damn catholics. |
| 17:40.23 | asg | sussudio: they don't taste good anyway |
| 17:40.24 | pengol | hi there is there a way to get a channel key inside the channel? |
| 17:40.37 | dgarcia | dgarcia: what is the first item to atack the problem? |
| 17:40.57 | asg | dgarcia: figure out why your dns resolution is broken |
| 17:41.04 | bluefox83 | wish i could figure out what the name of that boot splash package was.. |
| 17:41.08 | greycat | asg: which don't? the animals, or the vegetarians? |
| 17:41.12 | asg | pengol: n n w s s /kill shiriff |
| 17:41.12 | dgarcia | asg: thanks! |
| 17:41.18 | asg | greycat: the catholics |
| 17:41.28 | greycat | asg: some of them do. |
| 17:41.39 | pengol | asg: wht does that mean? |
| 17:41.47 | asg | greycat: none that I've ever met, though I haven't met all of them |
| 17:41.47 | pureone | lol |
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| 17:41.54 | asg | pengol: google for DikuMUD |
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| 17:43.13 | jak | any suggestions concerning cpu frequency scaling? |
| 17:43.31 | greycat | uh... "don't do it"? |
| 17:43.49 | pengol | asg: I don't understand |
| 17:44.26 | pengol | no way? |
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| 17:44.44 | asg | pengol: nevermind, since you didn't specify any context to your question, I assumed you were talking about Muds. No worries. |
| 17:45.33 | PerfDave | Bah, they shuold burn vegetarians these days. MORE MEAT FOR THE MEAT EATERS! |
| 17:46.10 | jak | greycat: throttling your cpu to save power... and it wont work on my lovely ibm :( |
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| 17:46.25 | tweekken_ | I fear Prion disease a bit U.S. Beef is randomly tested |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | jak: oh, that. uh... I heard openbsd can do it on some arches. dunno anything about it in linux. |
| 17:47.01 | PerfDave | tweekken_: Oh, I wouldn't eat meat in the USA. But I'm not planning on going to the USA any time soon, so it's not a problem ;) |
| 17:47.11 | pengol | sorry I meant: is there a way to get a irc channel key inside the channel? |
| 17:47.12 | PerfDave | jak: Is it not done on the BIOS level? |
| 17:47.15 | jak | greycat: nou? hummm.. ive read so much about it and everybody tell how easy it is to set up :) |
| 17:47.22 | jak | PerfDave: dunno... |
| 17:47.37 | bluefox83 | i eat steak here every monday at applebee's i'm still kickin.. |
| 17:47.47 | jak | PerfDave: i dont think, because i have power for 2 hours... |
| 17:47.58 | jak | with an accu whoich is supposed to give me 4! |
| 17:48.02 | resiak | jak: It's really not too hard. |
| 17:48.09 | resiak | jak: They always claim longer times than you get |
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| 17:48.34 | jak | resiak: but only 50%??? |
| 17:48.38 | jak | i want moooore :) |
| 17:48.42 | resiak | jak: apt-cache show cpufreqd |
| 17:48.45 | greycat | jak: demi? |
| 17:48.56 | asg | greycat: roger? |
| 17:48.57 | jak | resiak: installed... bur wont work |
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| 17:49.05 | jak | greycat: demi? |
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| 17:49.12 | resiak | jak: Won't work?# |
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| 17:49.32 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 17:49.43 | TinoW | re |
| 17:49.50 | sussudio | oooh... http://www.adoption.co.uk/badger/ |
| 17:50.04 | TinoW | *bwahaha* stat64("/lib/grub/*-*/stage1", 0xbffff2f0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 17:50.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:50.09 | jak | resiak: tells me, that it has nothing to do... |
| 17:50.13 | TinoW | genius at work :) |
| 17:50.21 | resiak | jak: How does it tell you? |
| 17:50.40 | trouble | dpkg vim |
| 17:50.40 | dpkg | [vim] the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs ... |
| 17:50.46 | jak | i type in cpydynd/cpufreqd and then there appear theese lines... |
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| 17:51.03 | jak | cpudynd: CPU frequency control disabled |
| 17:51.04 | jak | Error: Nothing to do, exiting |
| 17:51.11 | resiak | jak: Have you a home-made kernel? |
| 17:51.21 | jak | resiak: yes... |
| 17:51.31 | jak | resiak: i have to use speedstep-lib as control module |
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| 17:51.34 | resiak | jak: ...and so you have not enabled the appropriate bits, have you? |
| 17:51.35 | greycat | dpkg, slain by lag. |
| 17:51.38 | jak | which is inserted without problems |
| 17:51.45 | jak | resiak: yes. |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | ~mourn dpkg |
| 17:51.54 | apt | ACTION lights some candles for dpkg |
| 17:51.54 | resiak | jak: Well, all I know is that it works perfectly with a stock 2.6.8 |
| 17:52.04 | Seldo | First debian install: I have a really old laptop with not a lot of information about the video card except that it does 800x600 resolution. The configuration screen is asking for my desired X server driver. What's a safe thing to pick, or where should I start looking to find out what driver to use for my card? |
| 17:52.04 | resiak | jak: Compare your .config to its, and see what you're doing wrong. |
| 17:52.10 | greycat | resiak: "stock" debian you mean? |
| 17:52.16 | resiak | greycat: Yes. |
| 17:52.25 | resiak | jak: Stock Debian kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 17:52.32 | greycat | Seldo: in another tty, run lspci |
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| 17:52.45 | jak | resiak: to which .config? |
| 17:52.47 | Seldo | How do I switch to another tty? |
| 17:52.55 | greycat | Seldo: alt-f2, alt-f1 |
| 17:52.59 | Pekka | Anybody heard of "fd cache inconsistency" ? |
| 17:52.59 | Seldo | cheers |
| 17:53.02 | resiak | jak: Compare your .config to kernel-image-2.6.8-2's .config |
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| 17:53.05 | resiak | jak: Oh, are you on 2.4? |
| 17:53.13 | jak | resiak: nono, 2.6 |
| 17:53.20 | resiak | jak: So do what I said :) |
| 17:53.51 | jak | resiak: where to get this config? do i have to install this package? |
| 17:54.25 | Seldo | greycat: cheers, that worked perfectly. |
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| 17:55.21 | bwlang_ | anybody know where /dev/log comes from ? dpkg -S /dev/log produces no result |
| 17:55.31 | resiak | jak: install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 17:56.01 | jak | resiak: ok, i got it... comparing... |
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| 17:58.00 | jak | resiak: seems as if all bits are set... |
| 17:58.19 | jak | i get a /proc/cpufreq... |
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| 17:58.42 | bluefox83 | does anyone know anything about the booticons package? |
| 17:58.57 | greycat | !anyone know |
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| 17:59.09 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of greycat) |
| 17:59.13 | greycat | !anyone know |
| 17:59.16 | bluefox83 | greycat, are you familiar with the booticons package? |
| 17:59.18 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 17:59.29 | Seldo | First installer again: it wants to know what mouse port to use. Is there a way I can detect what "port" this ancient laptop's trackpad is on? /dev/input/mice seems to obvious to be right :-) |
| 17:59.38 | bluefox83 | i don't have a specific question, i want to know what that package does |
| 17:59.47 | jak | dpkg: are you a chatbot? ive never seen someone typing that fast :)) |
| 17:59.55 | TinoW | Seldo: mdetect |
| 17:59.57 | fabietto | Hi at all. Someone can help me to setting up my bluetooth adapter? I'm using a Broadcom BCM2033 USB bluetooth adapter with a 2.6.10 kernel... |
| 17:59.59 | greycat | Seldo: if you're on sarge, use /dev/input/mice no matter what. but you may have to manually load mousedev. |
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| 18:00.21 | Seldo | tinow: how do you run mdetect? |
| 18:00.32 | greycat | the only exception would be if you plan to use an exteral usb mouse and a builtin touchpad interchangably |
| 18:00.46 | Seldo | greycat: thanks |
| 18:00.56 | TinoW | Seldo: man mdetect ;) usually x configuration takes it in account if available |
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| 18:01.25 | TinoW | greycat: while this works here perfectly via /dev/input/mice |
| 18:01.28 | zbychuk | test |
| 18:01.28 | fabietto | i installed the kbluetoothd, but i've got probably some problems with bluez... the adapter is not shown when i try hciconfig from the root console... |
| 18:02.39 | sussudio | dpkg: where did you go |
| 18:02.40 | resiak | jak: Of course he's a bot. Anyway, I don't know any more than that it works perfectly on that kernel. Try booting with that. |
| 18:02.40 | Seldo | tinow: man doesn't have an entry for mdetect (I only installed the first CD, 'cause the others are still downloading. will /usr/sbin/base-config allow me to add the other 6 cds later? And is there any point in doing so? |
| 18:02.56 | jak | yeah, right ill do... |
| 18:02.59 | bluefox83 | hrm, someo of the packages listen on the debian unstable list are not in my unstable source :/ |
| 18:03.00 | TinoW | Seldo: which version are you installing? woody? |
| 18:03.11 | Seldo | 3.0 stable; I think that's Sarge? |
| 18:03.28 | bluefox83 | *listed |
| 18:03.40 | bluefox83 | sorry for bad typing, was sneezing :X |
| 18:03.42 | TinoW | Seldo: 3.0 is woody iirc. the sarge installer works better for configuration and hardware detection |
| 18:04.09 | Seldo | tinow: assume that I don't want to switch horses in mid-stream ;-) |
| 18:05.32 | TinoW | Seldo: after install, you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 until it works |
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| 18:08.53 | FieldySnuts | anyone know of a cli (console) ftp client that can do tls? ncftp doesn't seem to |
| 18:09.06 | Seldo | tinow: thanks |
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| 18:10.53 | jak | resiak: hum... does not work with the standard kernel |
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| 18:12.06 | trouble | i am logged in as root but every time i try to execute a command it says permission denied, any suggestion ?? |
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| 18:13.32 | resiak | jak: Do you have an appropriate processor? |
| 18:13.42 | RomanK | Hi all! |
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| 18:14.51 | RomanK | i'd like to rebuild kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 with a small patch applied... but i don't want to apply all the debian-packages manually again... isn't there a way to get the build-script for kernel-image-2-6-10-1-686? unfortunately it isn't in kernel-source-2-6-10 |
| 18:15.02 | jak | resiak: Pentium (M) |
| 18:15.12 | resiak | jak: Worksforme. |
| 18:15.13 | jak | with bios-enabled speedstep... |
| 18:15.20 | resiak | RomanK: Yes, it is. |
| 18:15.23 | resiak | RomanK: /boot/ |
| 18:15.25 | dreamlogi | To which package does the "apachectl" command belong to? |
| 18:15.38 | asg | dreamlogi: dpkg -S apachectl |
| 18:15.44 | dreamlogi | thanks. |
| 18:15.46 | aylee | I have been having trouble getting speedstepping to work on my T40. I am running sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 and the cpufreq_userspace kernel module has been inserted but cpudynd that CPU frequence control is disabled and there is nothing in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0. Please help? |
| 18:15.56 | RomanK | resiak: i don't understand... what means /boot/? |
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| 18:16.13 | luctor | anyone had this one ? cvs [import aborted]: attempt to import the repository |
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| 18:16.39 | RomanK | resiak: in /boot only the .config of my kernel is located, not the buildscript nor the patches |
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| 18:17.00 | asg | luctor: #cvs might have had that one |
| 18:17.02 | kab | hi, I have a apache-perl, but I don't found the perl direcotry, where is the perl directory to put my perl scripts? |
| 18:17.09 | cjohnson | Hi. This isn't 100% Debian related, but does anyone know how to get a SB Audigy2 ZS working? I've installed the alsa packages and have emu10k1 in my kernel (2.6.8) in a fresh install of Sarge |
| 18:17.26 | asg | kab: dpkg -L apache-perl | pager |
| 18:17.46 | bushwakko | newest opera 8.0beta2 works with webmin now :) |
| 18:18.09 | asplodzor | cjohnson: using sarge? ...sounds debian enough for me ;) |
| 18:18.21 | cjohnson | :) |
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| 18:18.36 | asplodzor | can't be much more help than that though |
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| 18:19.36 | TinoW | cjohnson: you plugged the speakers in the right socket? ;) |
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| 18:21.38 | aylee | I have been having trouble getting speedstepping to work on my T40. I am running sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 and the cpufreq_userspace kernel module has been inserted but cpudynd reports that CPU frequence control is disabled and there is nothing in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0. Can anyone help me? I did a lot searching online but I couldn't find an answer. |
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| 18:22.27 | cjohnson | TinoW: Yes. |
| 18:23.00 | kab | asg, tnks |
| 18:23.19 | asg | kab: you're welcome |
| 18:23.58 | cahoot | cjohnson: see if enabling Analog audio (in alsamixer) does it |
| 18:24.08 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 18:25.38 | dreamlogi | asg; I cant locate the command 'apachectl' at my computer except in some doc references with "dpkg -S apachectl". Do you know which package to install to get this command? (I would have thought apache2-utils, but apperently it isnt there). |
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| 18:26.09 | aylee | dreamlogi: usually it comes with apache |
| 18:26.28 | cjohnson | Where is that setting in alsamixer, cahoot ? |
| 18:26.28 | asg | dreamlogi: apache |
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| 18:26.55 | PerfDave | dreamlogi: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:26.55 | ezra-s | dreamlogi, anytime you need to find which package has certain file, www.debian.org has a nice package search which rocks |
| 18:27.04 | dreamlogi | Thanks guys :) |
| 18:27.09 | ezra-s | www.debian.org has many cool stuff in it |
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| 18:29.08 | nix000 | anyone use whereami here ? |
| 18:29.23 | cahoot | cjohnson: got an option named "Audigy A"? |
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| 18:30.04 | aylee | I guess nobody can help me with my problem... Maybe its a kernel issue. |
| 18:31.05 | nix000 | if anoyone who uses whereami can show how /etc/interfaces look like i'll apreciate |
| 18:31.37 | dossi81 | does anyone know a good how tow for using a transparent squid with an iptables firewall (not running an the proxy machine)??? |
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| 18:32.14 | helix | why is screen such a hater? |
| 18:32.57 | helix | hmm |
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| 18:35.09 | peng | hello |
| 18:35.23 | Seb__ | how do you create a partition table when you get "sda: unknown partition table" ? |
| 18:35.26 | CheloX | hola peng |
| 18:35.31 | Yaroon | Does anyone know how to send mail from postfix to spamassassin via webmin? wembin-postfix and webmin-spamassassin are installed. |
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| 18:37.27 | Seb | no one :) |
| 18:37.50 | peng | How do you get that error? |
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| 18:38.03 | peng | fdisk? |
| 18:38.33 | andax | how can I rebuild the dev filesystem so I have /dev/hdh ? i only have the files until /dev/hde.. there was a command that could rebuild the /dev/hdXX files so all disks become visible but I forgot :) |
| 18:38.41 | greycat | andax: man MAKEDEV |
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| 18:38.48 | andax | greycat thanks |
| 18:38.54 | Seb | peng: nope, in dmesg |
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| 18:39.07 | Seb | peng: when I try to run fdisk I get "Unable to open /dev/sda" |
| 18:39.55 | LSorensen | Seb: do you have a scsi or sata drive? |
| 18:40.09 | Seb | what's interesting is that the kernel say "SCSI device sda: 35566478 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB)", then "sda: unknown partition table" |
| 18:40.19 | Seb | yet on my filesystem there is no /dev/sda |
| 18:40.21 | Seb | :\ |
| 18:40.26 | Seb | LSorensen: SCSI |
| 18:40.37 | greycat | Seb: udev? devfs? |
| 18:40.51 | LSorensen | Seb: does it have a partition table yet or is it a new blank drive |
| 18:40.52 | Seb | greycat: none of those |
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| 18:41.03 | LSorensen | Seb: try: cd /dev; MAKEDEV sda |
| 18:41.13 | Seb | LSorensen: I got it from an old box that was to be recycled. I'd imagine the previous owner wiped it out before releasing the box for recycling |
| 18:41.15 | LSorensen | Seb: maybe you just don't have the device nodes for it created yet |
| 18:41.21 | helix | urgh, I need music at work |
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| 18:41.35 | Seb | LSorensen: that worked |
| 18:41.40 | topro | hi, is there a special channel for debian-installer? |
| 18:41.46 | greycat | topro: #debian-boot |
| 18:41.48 | PerfDave | topro: #debian-boot |
| 18:41.49 | LSorensen | Seb: well that would explain the 'can't open' error |
| 18:41.53 | topro | thx |
| 18:41.53 | helix | topro: wait a minute :) |
| 18:41.57 | helix | topro: what's the question? |
| 18:41.57 | Seb | LSorensen: it's strange, /dev/sda was there before, I know I've mounted a USB key on this box |
| 18:41.57 | topro | ? |
| 18:42.16 | LSorensen | Seb: well if you are using udev or devfs, you might just have to load sd_mod to make them appear |
| 18:42.24 | helix | greycat, PerfDave: some of the people in #d-b have mentioned we shouldn't send everyone over there |
| 18:42.45 | topro | helix: I have a promise sataII tx4 controller which is supported by linux-2.6.11, wanted to know if there is a chance to get a debian installer with 2.6.11 |
| 18:42.51 | Seb | LSorensen: i'm not using devfs, that I'm sure of (ps aux | grep dev doesn't return anything). How do I check for udev ? |
| 18:43.01 | greycat | Seb: if /.dev exists, it's udev. |
| 18:43.12 | PerfDave | helix: Fair enough. |
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| 18:43.30 | Seb | hmm, /.dev: No such file or directory |
| 18:43.36 | helix | topro: afaik, d-i is shipping with 2.6.8, but I'm sure there's a way to get it to use 2.6.11 |
| 18:43.48 | Seb | so no devfs, no udev, yet my /dev/sda disappeared, that's in interesting... |
| 18:43.52 | directhex | !fgi htpc |
| 18:43.57 | topro | helix: do you know of a way? ;) |
| 18:43.58 | helix | PerfDave: annoyingly, they didn't really say what manner of question was ok |
| 18:43.58 | Seb | s/in / / |
| 18:44.01 | directhex | :/ |
| 18:44.06 | helix | topro: I've never done it before, but someone here might |
| 18:44.23 | topro | gonna check #debian-boot, but thanks so far |
| 18:44.29 | PerfDave | helix: I tend to send people there if they (a) have a problem with the actual installation process and (b) haven't been able to fix it with the Installation Manual. |
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| 18:45.08 | helix | PerfDave: yeah, afaik it's considered a mostly development channel |
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| 18:45.24 | edwind | hola |
| 18:45.43 | PerfDave | helix: Fair enough then. |
| 18:48.49 | Seldo | Okay, so I've configured X but it can't find core pointer: no mouse. I've configured it for /dev/input/mice. Anybody got suggestions on how to find out where my mouse really is? (It's a trackpad on a really old laptop) |
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| 18:49.55 | Seldo | "/dev/input/mice" doesn't exist. I'm running woody. |
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| 18:50.23 | PerfDave | Seldo: /dev/psaux might be a good guess for a tracpad. |
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| 18:50.44 | sussudio | asg: badger-ass makes its re-appearance |
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| 18:51.28 | greycat | Seldo: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 18:51.31 | greycat | Seldo: man MAKEDEV |
| 18:51.42 | greycat | DAMN, dpkg is truncating it. |
| 18:51.53 | greycat | !/dev/input/mice |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | somebody said /dev/input/mice was mkdir /dev/input; mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
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| 18:53.27 | asg | sussudio: oh oh |
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| 18:53.40 | Jah_Raztah | is this the latest version of debain --> Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 updated (r4) |
| 18:53.49 | markl | from the lilo prompt, how do you tell linux to load the aic7xxx module? |
| 18:53.52 | Seldo | greycat: making a node in that position with those parameters does what exactly? |
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| 18:54.11 | valdyn | Jah_Raztah: no but the latest stable release |
| 18:54.26 | Jah_Raztah | where can i obtain it |
| 18:54.40 | greycat | Seldo: it's a character device. |
| 18:54.46 | stew | Jah_Raztah: are you installing a server or desktop? |
| 18:54.53 | Jah_Raztah | desktop |
| 18:54.55 | stew | !d-i Jah_Raztah |
| 18:54.55 | dpkg | Jah_Raztah, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:55.33 | Seldo | greycat: and what, pray tell, is a character device? Feel free to tell me to fuck off and google it :-) |
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| 18:56.25 | Jah_Raztah | how do i kno which one to download.. like there is x86 and i386 |
| 18:56.32 | Jah_Raztah | and so fourth |
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| 18:56.52 | drac | Jah_Raztah: 386 is x86 |
| 18:57.04 | drac | Jah_Raztah: cat /proc/cputype |
| 18:57.18 | drac | info |
| 18:57.19 | Jah_Raztah | i |
| 18:57.20 | drac | damn typo |
| 18:57.28 | drac | cpuinfo |
| 18:57.31 | Jah_Raztah | AMD Thunderbirb |
| 18:57.42 | Jah_Raztah | Thunderbird 1400 ghz |
| 18:57.50 | Ghetek | nobody in the knoppix channel seems to be talking im sorry to bother but are there any knoppix people in here? |
| 18:57.51 | drac | k7 |
| 18:57.56 | Jah_Raztah | athlon |
| 18:57.57 | greycat | !they don't nkow |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 18:57.59 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:58.12 | drac | Jah_Raztah: that's k7 |
| 18:58.16 | greycat | !k7 |
| 18:58.16 | dpkg | it has been said that k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 18:58.24 | Jah_Raztah | ye |
| 18:58.31 | Ghetek | dpkg, are you talking to me? |
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| 18:59.04 | valdyn | !bot |
| 18:59.04 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:59.20 | dreamlogi | hehe |
| 18:59.26 | Ghetek | oh hahaha ok |
| 18:59.32 | Jah_Raztah | is there a website where i can check and see if my hardware will be complatible with debain.. my hardware was compatible with the latest kernel 2.6 for the Knoppix live cd |
| 18:59.35 | Ghetek | i feel stupid |
| 18:59.57 | valdyn | Jah_Raztah: it should be |
| 19:00.01 | Jah_Raztah | ok |
| 19:00.09 | valdyn | Jah_Raztah: just try sarge as you were told |
| 19:00.21 | Jah_Raztah | sarge? |
| 19:00.30 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 19:00.30 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:00.40 | valdyn | Jah_Raztah: ^^ sarge ^^^ |
| 19:00.43 | PerfDave | Jah_Raztah: Hardware compatiability is a function of the kernel, not the distribution. |
| 19:00.58 | Jah_Raztah | ok |
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| 19:01.04 | Jah_Raztah | is debain kernal 2.6 |
| 19:01.11 | Skaag | is there a tool that graphs connectivity to a certain ip? |
| 19:01.18 | Jah_Raztah | debian* |
| 19:01.21 | greycat | kernel* |
| 19:01.37 | greycat | Jah_Raztah: sarge has both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. |
| 19:01.40 | Ghetek | ok so i will assume that there are no willing knoppix help takers? |
| 19:01.50 | Jah_Raztah | where do i get sarge |
| 19:01.52 | valdyn | !tell Ghetek about ask |
| 19:02.01 | Jah_Raztah | !sarge |
| 19:02.02 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 19:02.10 | andax | sata drives should also appear as /dev/hdXX right? |
| 19:02.21 | PerfDave | Ghetek: Yes, we don't support Knoppix here, because this is a channel for Debian, not for Knoppix. |
| 19:02.22 | valdyn | andax: no, /dev/sdXX |
| 19:02.36 | greycat | andax: depends on the kernel. |
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| 19:02.56 | valdyn | andax: no, /dev/sdXX on 2.6.x |
| 19:02.59 | andax | 2.4.29 with Promise SATA TX2/TX4 support |
| 19:03.47 | Jah_Raztah | sarge-i386-netinst.iso <--- is that the one I'm suppose tog et? |
| 19:03.53 | Ghetek | perf dave ok thanks anyway, i dont know the difference between debian and knoppix. I am just a microsoft user trying to get away from windows. |
| 19:03.54 | Jah_Raztah | get* |
| 19:04.16 | Jah_Raztah | same i'm on microsoft too |
| 19:04.31 | Ghetek | i like linux, free and open office is nice |
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| 19:04.46 | valdyn | !knoppix |
| 19:04.46 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:04.59 | valdyn | !debian |
| 19:04.59 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:05.01 | Jah_Raztah | but i plan on gettin debian workin, then getting VMware and running windows 98se |
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| 19:05.49 | couloum | hello. Does anyone have a problem with kernel 2.6.11 and fglrx drivers ? |
| 19:05.57 | greycat | lemme guess... you? |
| 19:06.01 | PerfDave | Jah_Raztah: You can also run Win98 in qemu. It's slower, but may be acceptable if you have a reasonably fast machine, and qemu is Free. |
| 19:06.01 | couloum | lol |
| 19:06.05 | valdyn | couloum: yes, unsurprisingly they dont compile |
| 19:06.20 | Jah_Raztah | ohh ic |
| 19:06.24 | Jah_Raztah | thanks |
| 19:06.39 | Jah_Raztah | i taught Vmware was the only one that did that |
| 19:06.39 | couloum | valdyn: yes, and i applied a patch i found on internet but it still don't work :( |
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| 19:06.53 | doneill | nope |
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| 19:06.55 | valdyn | couloum: why must you use 2.6.11? |
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| 19:06.58 | doneill | there's also bochs and feaux |
| 19:07.00 | doneill | and others |
| 19:07.04 | Jah_Raztah | qemu has website? |
| 19:07.07 | Jah_Raztah | !qemu |
| 19:07.07 | dpkg | i guess qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 19:07.25 | Jah_Raztah | wow ur bot is really good |
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| 19:07.38 | doneill | !ur |
| 19:07.38 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 19:08.02 | couloum | valdyn: it was just to try, but i would like fglrx work on this kernel |
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| 19:08.23 | PerfDave | Jah_Raztah: apt-cache search qemu |
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| 19:09.32 | couloum | valdyn: and if it was a known problem i could have fix it easily |
| 19:09.51 | zahod | it's not only a german prefix, it's a swedish prefix too |
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| 19:10.04 | zahod | for the same thing |
| 19:10.20 | greycat | I doubt we can program the aggregate meaning of a syllable in all natural languages into a single factoid. |
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| 19:10.35 | zahod | bah ;) |
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| 19:13.14 | Jah_Raztah | i need jigdo to download the full cd to install debian right? |
| 19:13.46 | trogger | I'm having trouble with courier-imap not allowing me to logon. It has worked before on this machine, but doesn't any more. It says "login failed" - how do I get more information about what is going wrong? |
| 19:13.54 | greycat | what did you change? |
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| 19:14.14 | edwind | hola quienes soys |
| 19:14.18 | greycat | !es |
| 19:14.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:14.40 | trogger | unfortunately, many things - I tried other mail clients and then came back to courier-imap. Haven't changed anything specific about courier-imap though |
| 19:14.53 | trogger | greycat: good question, but don't know the answer |
| 19:14.59 | edwind | bete a la mierda |
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| 19:16.54 | simonrvn | looks who's the shit-beast now |
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| 19:17.04 | trogger | courierauthtest shows that authentication failed - how would I fix this? |
| 19:17.11 | skeenn | Hi everyone. What is the command to output the contents of a file into another file? |
| 19:17.16 | trogger | cat |
| 19:17.16 | Phated | We need stats for witty comebacks too. |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | skeenn: cp, cat |
| 19:17.29 | skeenn | Thanks. :) |
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| 19:18.22 | holycow | hey guys |
| 19:18.26 | Rawplayer | moo cow |
| 19:18.34 | simonrvn | hello |
| 19:18.47 | fabietto | Hi at all. I'm trying to install an usb bluetooth adapter, in a linux box running with a 2.6.10 kernel. The support for my adapter (Broadcom 2033, as the KDE information center says) should be integrated in this kernel, but when i insert the adapter into the usb slot, i can see this error message via dmesg: "bcm203x_probe: Mini driver request failed;bcm203x: probe of 3-1:1.0 failed with error -5; usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.1 (config #1, |
| 19:18.47 | fabietto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.10 | holycow | is there a way i can run 'sudo gnome-ppp' without the requirement for the users to type in their password again? |
| 19:19.27 | valdyn | holycow: man sudo |
| 19:19.31 | holycow | lol |
| 19:19.32 | holycow | doh! |
| 19:19.34 | holycow | sorry |
| 19:19.41 | skeenn | OK. New, but related, question. I have a PHP file, I want to output the parsed file to a new file. Does anyone know how I can do that? |
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| 19:19.58 | Phated | > |
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| 19:20.20 | simonrvn | uh |
| 19:20.33 | greycat | fabietto: it's not a Debian kernel, is it? |
| 19:20.39 | greycat | probably not even a Debian system. |
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| 19:20.47 | tchmnkyz | hey al |
| 19:20.49 | tchmnkyz | l |
| 19:20.56 | tchmnkyz | having a prob with my nvidia drivers |
| 19:21.02 | tchmnkyz | compile fails on 2.6.11 |
| 19:21.07 | tchmnkyz | anyone else? |
| 19:21.10 | handbrain | hey, anyone know what happens if you up the RAM for debian, well, speed from PC 3200 to PC 4000 and leave CPU the same ? |
| 19:21.19 | fabietto | greycat: yes, i'm using a debian sarge... i simply recompiled the 2.6.10 kernel-sources downloaded from apt-get |
| 19:21.28 | handbrain | is there anything BAD about making RAM faster than it was, and leaving CPU speed alone ? |
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| 19:21.33 | handbrain | I know you can get into trouble the other way |
| 19:21.39 | handbrain | with too much CPU and bottlenecking |
| 19:21.40 | Phated | Didn't hurt anything here. |
| 19:21.53 | handbrain | I have this MB that lets me really offset the ratio |
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| 19:22.08 | handbrain | I'm just wondering what will happen - OS wise. heh |
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| 19:22.15 | handbrain | scream city hopefully |
| 19:22.37 | prock | man stty says I can do 'stty switch CHAR' but when I do that stty complains that 'switch' is an invalid argument. what gives? |
| 19:22.44 | handbrain | stopwatch in hand, compile kernel, heh. best way to time. |
| 19:23.18 | greycat | fabietto: well, make sure you included the driver for that device in your custom kernel, preferably as a module |
| 19:23.20 | sussudio | handbrain: s/best/stupidest/ |
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| 19:23.32 | greycat | prock: what are you trying to do> |
| 19:24.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.02 | trogger | anyone got experience with aeromail? |
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| 19:24.05 | greycat | note the spelling. |
| 19:24.41 | johnsu01_ | My pcmcia-cs package in testing is "in a very bad inconsistent state". dpkg recommends re-installing it before attempting to remove it. However, it hangs the machine during the install (which is how the package state got ugly). How should I deal with this? |
| 19:24.45 | Mithsir | Hi! I have a linux router that already has 2 NIC (LAN and WAN). Now I want to connect a WLAN AP to a third NIC. Does the AP have to be config'ed as Bridge? Should the third NIC be a different subnet? |
| 19:24.51 | prock | greycat: play with my terminal... my goal is to (while ssh'd into some host), send a file through the terminal to a daemon waiting on my local system |
| 19:24.58 | prock | greycat: oops, thanks =) |
| 19:25.10 | fabietto | greycat: yes, the module should be "bcm203x.ko" and it's correctly modprobed... |
| 19:25.40 | greycat | fabietto: oh? then just edit interfaces(5) and you're done. |
| 19:25.51 | greycat | fabietto: I have no idea what you're trying to do, if the module's already loaded... |
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| 19:26.10 | johnsu01_ | Or, alternatively, is there a way to install other packages while ignoring the broken pcmcia-cs? That's my main concern atm. |
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| 19:26.26 | fabietto | greycat: where i should edit this interfaces? |
| 19:26.40 | greycat | interfaces(5) |
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| 19:26.43 | greycat | man 5 interfaces |
| 19:27.36 | fabietto | greycat: stop, stop... this is a bluetooth adapter... |
| 19:27.48 | yalu | does anyone have experience zith smartmontools? I am running a long test on the drive but the red light does not show much activity. is that normal? Is it possible to get status information while the test is running? |
| 19:28.16 | cire | sorry, no debian related question: do I need an eatx power adapter, for a mainboard with eatx power connector, or is it possible to connect the atx power adapter (20 pins) with the eatx (24 pins) slot on the mainboard? |
| 19:28.19 | greycat | fabietto: I don't do wireless. |
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| 19:28.45 | brynjarh | How can I get information on what text encoding a text file is using? Preferably from the command line. |
| 19:28.45 | fabietto | greycat: ok... np |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | brynjarh: file(1) is your best bet |
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| 19:29.32 | brynjarh | greycat, okay thanks, I'll go check that out. |
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| 19:32.23 | johnsu01_ | Is there a way that I can replace the broken pcmcia-cs package with on older version? Like, the version just before the upgrade that caused the problem? |
| 19:32.27 | johnsu01_ | s/on/an |
| 19:32.40 | asg | johnsu01_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:33.24 | vhuren | when using webdav does the directory i want to share need to be located inside htdocs? |
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| 19:36.08 | simonrvn | vhuren: um, what would that change with webdav? |
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| 19:36.36 | johnsu01_ | asg: Ah, thanks, but will it work to just dpkg -i the snapshot, or will I need to do something to remove the problematic version first? |
| 19:36.44 | asg | johnsu01_: no, just dpkg -i it |
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| 19:37.22 | E-bola | Have anybody tried firewire with debian? |
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| 19:37.52 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no go |
| 19:38.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: que? |
| 19:38.12 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the reinstall gives the same problems with the configuration assistant |
| 19:38.20 | BucWheat | ughh... debian doesn't include a module i need. how can i get it for my box ? |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i think i mispoke .. normally .. when i would have an error .. i would have to reinstall everything .. including debian |
| 19:38.39 | greycat | BucWheat: module-assistant |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i have no idea of the root cause .. but damn .. oracle sucks |
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| 19:39.36 | BucWheat | greycat module-assistnat what? cpan ? |
| 19:39.47 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: oracle sucks huh |
| 19:39.50 | greycat | it's... a *perl* module? not a kernel module? |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: good DB .. fucking horrible install |
| 19:40.06 | greycat | dh-make-perl - Create debian packages from perl modules |
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| 19:40.49 | JediMaster | can anyone give me a hand setting up quotas on a debian box? I've added usrquota,grpquota to the fstab options, remounted / (shows up when mount is run) and run touch /quota.user and quota.group etc. |
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| 19:41.25 | JediMaster | and quotacheck -avugm.... |
| 19:41.35 | JediMaster | but quotaon doesn't seem to work =( |
| 19:41.44 | asg | JediMaster: did you do /etc/init.d/quota start? |
| 19:42.05 | cuse | Sorry again a bit offtopic; I can't find a mainboard for AMD 8x Opteron CPUs (e.g. for Opteron 846), are there none on the market yet? |
| 19:42.13 | JediMaster | I tried that as well, but that gives errors too, one sec, will see what it says again |
| 19:42.16 | BucWheat | greycat k. i'm using cpan to locate module now then i'll use dh-make-perl against that module to get .deb hopefully |
| 19:42.28 | JediMaster | it's weird, I got it working fine on 3 other machines |
| 19:43.03 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 19:43.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: is the configuration assistant necessary? |
| 19:43.19 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: reinstall debian .. dude .. really .. the oracle installer is a pain |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: maybe see if petemc has an idea |
| 19:43.28 | jharrisonwk | reinstall debian? |
| 19:43.48 | TinoW | abrotman: I can second that :) |
| 19:44.05 | abrotman | TinoW: why does your nick look familar? |
| 19:44.05 | jharrisonwk | petemc: you around? |
| 19:44.17 | abrotman | TinoW: oh .. from #postgresql :) |
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| 19:44.22 | TinoW | abrotman: :) |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | i think |
| 19:44.26 | LSorensen | cuse: probably only in complete systems. |
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| 19:44.54 | abrotman | TinoW: does this mean i have to help you now? :) |
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| 19:45.07 | TinoW | abrotman: err... why? ;) |
| 19:45.17 | abrotman | TinoW: dunno .. i feel i sohuld trade services :) |
| 19:45.23 | TinoW | hehe |
| 19:45.27 | LSorensen | cuse: tyan has quad boards for opteron 8xx |
| 19:45.29 | abrotman | TinoW: unless you hang out in #gnome on gimpnet too |
| 19:45.47 | TinoW | abrotman: not yet #gnome and pimpnet ;) |
| 19:45.56 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 19:45.58 | johnsu01_ | asg: Bleh, dpkg -i is hanging on "Preparing to replace..." At least this time, though, the machine is not frozen completely. |
| 19:46.05 | TinoW | abrotman: but #xon on oftc ;) |
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| 19:46.09 | TinoW | xen I mean |
| 19:46.12 | ThreeDayMonk | I'm in the middle of upgrading to testing, and all the questions (keep or replace config files) have started coming up in curses mode (blue screen with dialog boxes rather than a prompt). How do I change it back to the text prompts? |
| 19:46.13 | JediMaster | asg: weird, works now |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | tinow: that's not me .. maybe Leimy |
| 19:46.26 | asg | JediMaster: must have just needed some mojo. |
| 19:46.55 | asg | johnsu01_: are there any terminal warnings showing up in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 19:48.53 | eric | i all |
| 19:49.00 | johnsu01_ | asg: There are some very nasty looking errors from the kernel involving USB modules.. |
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| 19:49.39 | Coily | using variables http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/1_hi.html?wm managed to obscure the source of the video, can someone tell me what it is? |
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| 19:50.08 | asg | johnsu01_: hmmm, that should cause dpkg to lock up. Have you run memtest86 on your memory recently? |
| 19:50.12 | asplodzor | Hey, I read about a new type of vnc a while ago that somehow allowed you to use aplications running on the local and remote systems side-by-side |
| 19:50.18 | asplodzor | anyone have any idea what that was? |
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| 19:50.33 | FieldySnuts | anyone know of a cli (console) ftp client that can do tls? ncftp doesn't seem to |
| 19:50.33 | asg | johnsu01_: something else to try is 'strace -s 512 dpkg -i <pkg>' and see what it is doing, or waiting for. |
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| 19:51.06 | ThreeDayMonk | Coily: mms://video.pbs.org/general/windows/media4/frontline/2305/windows/ch1_hi.wmv (page info in firefox) |
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| 19:51.55 | Coily | ThreeDayMonk, wow i totally missed that feature, thanks |
| 19:52.01 | johnsu01_ | asg: Ok. I haven't tried memtest86. The first set of errors seems to conclude with "EIP is at hcd_panic+0x13/0x80 [usbcore]" |
| 19:52.21 | prock | is there a way to start lrz in the background and wait for a lsz to connect and transfer a file? |
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| 19:53.59 | johnsu01_ | asg: Perhaps when I get home I will try with all of the USB modules unloaded and devices unplugged and see what happens. |
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| 19:55.58 | KLBS_smeagol | hiu |
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| 19:57.00 | johnsu01_ | asg: It's waiting for the preinst upgrade process according to the strace. |
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| 19:57.42 | cuse | LSorense: haha, found one :) |
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| 19:58.06 | LSorense | cuse: I can't remember what you were looking for :) |
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| 19:58.38 | asg | johnsu01_: hmmm, you could look at the preinst file in /var/lib/dpkg/info and see what it is doing (or supposed to be doing.) |
| 19:58.59 | cuse | LSorense: oh i was looking for a mainboard which supports an 8x AMD Operon, hard to find (yet) |
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| 19:59.56 | doub | hi there |
| 19:59.59 | LSorense | cuse: oh right. who makes one? |
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| 20:00.44 | KLBS_smeagol | hi, anyone can help mi to problems with LVM¿?? |
| 20:00.48 | cuse | LSorense: Tyan Thunder K8QS Pro (S4882) |
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| 20:02.13 | cuse | LSorense: oh shit, but I did not expect such a price actually :o |
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| 20:02.31 | cuse | LSorense: 1349 Eur :) |
| 20:02.50 | LSorense | cuse: seems reasonable |
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| 20:03.27 | lpep | :q |
| 20:03.33 | johnsu01_ | asg: There doesn't seem to be a .preinst file in /var/lib/dpkg/info for it. |
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| 20:04.50 | RichiH | greycat: you play idlerpg? |
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| 20:06.43 | greycat | RichiH: first time today. |
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| 20:06.57 | johnsu01_ | asg: Assuming I'm looking for something like pcmcia-cs.preinst. |
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| 20:08.57 | RichiH | greycat: yes, i see you are still pretty small |
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| 20:10.11 | asuffield | progress quest is better |
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| 20:11.18 | slak- | hey anyone know if it is possible to spin down a firewire drive when its idle |
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| 20:11.38 | riv | Hi all |
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| 20:12.26 | kyrhasdf | alguien me puede ayudar?? no me va el apt |
| 20:12.29 | greycat | !es |
| 20:12.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:13.05 | slak- | how do you say i fucked my donkey in spanish |
| 20:13.11 | slak- | or i want to |
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| 20:13.44 | johnsu01_ | When are the .preinst files created in /var/lib/dpkg/info, and would you expect to see one there for the package being upgraded while running dpkg -i ? |
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| 20:14.31 | minimike | hello |
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| 20:15.34 | kimo | guys anyone know of a good #ebooks channel ? |
| 20:15.42 | riv | right here |
| 20:15.49 | riv | but not in form of ebooks. |
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| 20:15.55 | riv | in form of wisdom |
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| 20:16.25 | kimo | riv :) |
| 20:16.28 | minimike | anyone from UK here ? I have a Question about an Joboffer in UK |
| 20:17.09 | riv | anyone familiar with tomcat / java who might help me verify and repair my setup? |
| 20:17.12 | pureone | im from london but i dont know if i could help |
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| 20:17.20 | minimike | Salary: £20k |
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| 20:17.30 | XeLoN | II cant compile kernel, when I run make menuconfig, it prompts "You must have Ncurses in order to use make menuconfig" |
| 20:17.31 | minimike | is that per Houer or per Day |
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| 20:17.37 | XeLoN | But I installed libncurses5 |
| 20:17.40 | pureone | per year |
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| 20:17.45 | riv | nah |
| 20:17.49 | riv | I take that per minute |
| 20:17.54 | pureone | £20,000 |
| 20:17.57 | riv | yep |
| 20:18.15 | pureone | would be nice per hour |
| 20:18.16 | minimike | without Tax oO |
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| 20:18.25 | pureone | i think i would retire after a week |
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| 20:18.57 | fugit | XeLoN: did you install ncurse-base? |
| 20:19.01 | valdyn | XeLoN: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 20:19.12 | Esaj | argh how do I kill a zombie process? |
| 20:19.27 | minimike | pureone realy Thank you! |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | !faq xelon |
| 20:19.31 | dpkg | xelon: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:19.52 | XeLoN | I installed base, but not headers :) |
| 20:19.57 | XeLoN | thanks I'm trying |
| 20:20.26 | simonrvn | eeeeeew |
| 20:20.35 | riv | anyone familiar with tomcat / java who might help me verify and repair my setup? |
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| 20:20.56 | simonrvn | greycat: best way to edit frontpage: either rm the file, or rm the app (the latter works better) |
| 20:21.05 | fugit | riv: there is a tomcat channel, you could try there |
| 20:21.06 | greycat | simonrvn: no no. |
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| 20:21.15 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/FrontPage |
| 20:21.23 | simonrvn | oooh, ok :) |
| 20:21.28 | simonrvn | *phew* |
| 20:21.43 | riv | fugit, thats where i come from. They cant help me... |
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| 20:22.08 | streuner_ | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ <-- lol |
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| 20:22.54 | fugit | riv: its been a long time since I have setup tomcat |
| 20:23.11 | greycat | streuner_: he needs the 64-bit PCI |
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| 20:23.39 | tarzeau | and SBUS |
| 20:23.46 | sussudio | streuner_: ? |
| 20:23.52 | greycat | and the 645 different SCSI connectors |
| 20:24.01 | streuner_ | greycat: well, you think that's what he thought when he created it? |
| 20:24.07 | dgarcia | a question... i am in the net 192.168.1 and a have an ADSL-router in the 192.168.0 network, bridging is the solution of the problem to access internet from the 192.168.1 net? |
| 20:24.25 | sussudio | streuner_: it's target towards the "why won't my old soundcard fit into my pci slot"-audience |
| 20:24.36 | streuner_ | oh |
| 20:24.56 | tarzeau | streuner_: and i still collect pc rom dumps |
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| 20:27.34 | streuner_ | Should be working as RAID for his server... |
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| 20:27.50 | Coily | does anyone have long load times for compusa.com in Fx? im guessing it has something to do with the asp protocol... or something else? |
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| 20:28.26 | takatumi | Withdrawals |
| 20:28.30 | valdyn | dgarcia: no, routing is |
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| 20:29.27 | simonrvn | asp AFAIK isn't a protocol. it's a file type |
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| 20:29.48 | LSorense | simonrvn: yeah it usually lists an mms url in it |
| 20:29.55 | streuner_ | How many times would join and quit 'Withdraw' this evening? :-) |
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| 20:30.06 | simonrvn | LSorense: i see |
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| 20:37.32 | ayecee | hi! anyone have any insights on strengths and weaknesses of jfs vs. xfs? I'm told that xfs has good performance for large files in particular, but i'm not sure how it compares to jfs |
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| 20:38.04 | tom74 | is ftp.debian.org down? whats causing the 'bad header line' in apt-get update? |
| 20:38.27 | streuner | just try another mirror |
| 20:38.52 | tom74 | I am, but this has been for a few days now.. |
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| 20:39.27 | streuner | what mirror do you use in .be? |
| 20:39.29 | minimike | i am running xfs it's working realy stable |
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| 20:39.37 | minimike | and fast too |
| 20:40.09 | ayecee | minimike, ever used jfs for anything? |
| 20:40.21 | streuner | tom74: isn't there an .be mirror? |
| 20:40.28 | minimike | yes for / |
| 20:40.43 | jCesaro | check out Smooth Debian Wallpaper 1280x1024 @ http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21420&PHPSESSID=4452f9a17d744735f74979b166f701e1 |
| 20:40.49 | minimike | but i think ext3 is better for me |
| 20:40.54 | cureless | somebody else had mentioned a "bad header line" error on one of the local mirrors but said it went away. |
| 20:40.57 | ayecee | minimike, any impressions on jfs vs xfs? |
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| 20:41.12 | tom74 | i use .nl, and ftp.belnet.be |
| 20:41.16 | ayecee | whether or not they're backed up by any data :) |
| 20:41.37 | tom74 | no .be mirror afaik |
| 20:41.43 | streuner | tom74: and you got the same when you use .de or .fr mirror? |
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| 20:42.02 | minimike | i tried jfs after i have unmontet uncleany a device you have to make an fsck |
| 20:42.10 | tom74 | nope, only errors on debian.org |
| 20:42.12 | minimike | by jfs |
| 20:42.28 | streuner | tom74: heh? |
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| 20:42.52 | streuner | tom74: you mean 'ftp.debian.org'? |
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| 20:43.07 | minimike | that is bad when your root is JFS because you cant boot correcley |
| 20:43.08 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:43.46 | ayecee | minimike, i see. it won't mount at all until it's been checked? |
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| 20:44.03 | simonrvn | minimike: um, only if the kernel you're booting doesn't support jfs =;) |
| 20:44.08 | ThreeDayMonk | I just installed exim4, but in /etc/exim4 I have only exim4.conf.template which contains some DEBCONF tokens. How do I make it into a proper conf file? |
| 20:44.08 | tom74 | streuner: that's what it looks like, eys |
| 20:44.15 | ribnitz | I have a slignlhlty off-topic request. I need an english synonym for "student", that reflects basically there's a lower fee for low-incomes, students, the elderly,... |
| 20:44.44 | ThreeDayMonk | ribnitz: "concessions" |
| 20:44.44 | minimike | yes ayecee and xfs has god nuch more fetures |
| 20:44.52 | ayecee | minimike, such as? |
| 20:44.58 | ayecee | what comes to mind? |
| 20:45.06 | simonrvn | what language is that? |
| 20:45.12 | ribnitz | ThreeDayMonk: thanks. |
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| 20:45.37 | minimike | resizing the Filesystem and many rescue and Admin tools |
| 20:45.40 | takatumi | simonrvn: boozetalk |
| 20:45.43 | valdyn | ThreeDayMonk: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ( apt-get install exim4-config if you don't have it ) |
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| 20:45.48 | minimike | apt-get install xfsprogs |
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| 20:46.22 | ThreeDayMonk | valdyn: thanks. I was expecting exim4config or something |
| 20:46.40 | ayecee | minimike, jfsutils package seems to have the same tools for jfs |
| 20:47.00 | ayecee | jfs can definitely be resized. |
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| 20:47.10 | minimike | ayecee i use it three years along and i am realy happy with them |
| 20:47.19 | ayecee | minimike, fair enough. |
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| 20:48.44 | minimike | so i have to go eat |
| 20:48.51 | minimike | afk |
| 20:48.56 | Marticus | afternoon |
| 20:49.12 | valdyn | greycat: one config tool, several 2+ different daemons |
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| 20:50.07 | doub | i was thinking about a likely to be useful rescue tool, a knoppix-like minimal system of which a copy would be on HD, but which would be copied in RAM upon boot to allow HD partition changes. Does it already exist, or should I hack this myself? |
| 20:50.25 | Ether_Man | I need help with a firewall problem and please read this through to the end and dont have hasty judgement for usage as it will perhaps sound strange but I assure you that it will not be used for what it might sound as.. I want to make my laptop be able to take over a specified ip adress (like that of a nat router). this is easily done using fake but after that I also want traffic to get passed through if the firewall settings allow it |
| 20:50.26 | Ether_Man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.07 | ayecee | doub, as opposed to booting from a cd? |
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| 20:51.20 | holycow | doub, sounds like your reinventing dual boot? |
| 20:51.38 | doub | ayecee: yes, so that you can have this choice on boot anytime, without bothering with a CD |
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| 20:51.49 | doub | holycow: that's not reinventing, just using it another way |
| 20:52.40 | holycow | why not dual boot a second debian and force it to ram maybe? |
| 20:53.09 | ayecee | why not boot from other media? |
| 20:53.15 | TinoW | doub: I have such a tool as PXE image |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn | why limit your system by forcing it to be in ram? |
| 20:53.35 | holycow | i think he's thinking for emergencies |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn | that doesnt make it reasonable either |
| 20:53.58 | holycow | what ayacee, i would boot from a usb stick if i could |
| 20:54.10 | doub | TinoW: so you have another debian install via netboot, correct? |
| 20:54.16 | TinoW | doub: which is more usefull then CD for me because I have no physical access to the boxes |
| 20:54.18 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 20:54.27 | holycow | mr. streuner :) |
| 20:54.30 | ribnitz | is there a policically correct term for "poor" (as in little money)? |
| 20:54.31 | TinoW | doub: yes, a debian with all the tools, sshd etc |
| 20:54.42 | holycow | yes, brokeass |
| 20:54.47 | TinoW | ribnitz: underprivilegued |
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| 20:55.00 | simonrvn | robbed from by the rich |
| 20:55.10 | ThreeDayMonk | the proletariat! |
| 20:55.12 | Mawbid | no-money-having |
| 20:55.24 | Phated | Freelance bum. |
| 20:55.36 | ribnitz | ThreeDayMonk: no, those are the target group of communism. |
| 20:55.49 | holycow | 'sparechange!' |
| 20:55.51 | stew | impoverished |
| 20:55.57 | doub | valdyn: as a rescue/admin system, to be able to partition disks and such, it should not obviously be on disk |
| 20:56.02 | ribnitz | Phated: greets to where its warm and sunny all year long. |
| 20:56.03 | greycat | ribnitz: how about "economically challenged"? |
| 20:56.05 | ThreeDayMonk | ribnitz: only in the first stage of the revolution, comrade :-) |
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| 20:56.20 | Phated | ribnitz: It's hot and frigging humid, sucks to be here, BAH, HUMBUG. |
| 20:56.25 | TinoW | doub: for what you want, an average debian netinstall CD should do |
| 20:56.27 | doub | valdyn: the ideal would be having such a system on a single-HD, no network machine, so no netboot |
| 20:56.28 | greycat | ribnitz: although really, I think I've heard "people living below the poverty line" a few times. |
| 20:56.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 20:56.44 | holycow | greycat, which usually leads to 'bathing challenged' in short order |
| 20:56.51 | nvz | Phated, yeah well, its freezing and has been snowing here. |
| 20:56.56 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:56.57 | simonrvn | try 2 times below the poverty line for kicks ;) |
| 20:56.58 | TinoW | doub: or just download knoppix |
| 20:57.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart tinow |
| 20:57.09 | Phated | nvz: I WANT SNOW YOU FUCKING *BLEEEP* |
| 20:57.10 | greycat | hygenically challenged |
| 20:57.11 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 20:57.15 | ribnitz | Phated: We had the coldest day yesterday, they measured something like minus 32 during the night. |
| 20:57.16 | greycat | Phated: come to Ohio then. |
| 20:57.16 | simonrvn | still not here |
| 20:57.22 | FieldySnuts | aw, is he dead? |
| 20:57.31 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: temporarily |
| 20:57.34 | FieldySnuts | or just resting, or pining for the fjords? |
| 20:57.35 | Phated | greycat: I hear it's cold in Britland too. I might go there. |
| 20:57.35 | TinoW | FieldySnuts: what? |
| 20:57.47 | greycat | Phated: can't blame you for avoiding the US. |
| 20:57.50 | FieldySnuts | TinoW: wanna play vampire? |
| 20:58.03 | sdogi | lol |
| 20:58.03 | Phated | greycat: Can blame you for still being there. :) |
| 20:58.06 | TinoW | FieldySnuts: I'm not understanding I fear ;) |
| 20:58.08 | tarzeau | Phated: russia has got alot of snow |
| 20:58.12 | sdogi | debian is the funniest channel ever |
| 20:58.19 | Phated | I don't speak the lingo. |
| 20:58.21 | ribnitz | greycat: anyone in a reasonable mindset would do it, unless they were already catalogued? |
| 20:58.26 | simonrvn | Phated: cold here too FYI. have the coldest capital in the world now (used to be moscow) |
| 20:58.29 | streuner | Phated: most people in europe are really pissed off from the snow... |
| 20:58.31 | Phated | Except "razsch"... Which... not very useful. |
| 20:58.32 | TinoW | here is snow as well. Unfortunately |
| 20:58.33 | abrotman | Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
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| 20:58.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: what are those pills called? |
| 20:58.47 | sdogi | here too! |
| 20:58.51 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 20:58.55 | sdogi | snow sucks |
| 20:58.55 | ribnitz | TinoW: where? |
| 20:58.57 | streuner | Phated: and the cold - it wasn't that cold the last 20 years here |
| 20:58.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: cloud seeding |
| 20:59.01 | TinoW | ribnitz: germany |
| 20:59.08 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd54 is <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 20:59.08 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:59.13 | Phated | HAHA |
| 20:59.14 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/54 // |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:59.16 | ribnitz | TinoW: yeah. definitely. |
| 20:59.18 | abrotman | oh .. what was wrong with the old one? |
| 20:59.20 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:59.24 | greycat | abrotman: 15:59 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] qotd54 is <reply>qotd54 has been purged by g4lt |
| 20:59.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:59.31 | Phated | Go greycat. |
| 20:59.33 | abrotman | he's been here? |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 20:59.39 | FieldySnuts | bot nazi |
| 20:59.39 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 147d 20h 22m 57s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 20:59.42 | Phated | streuner: Heh. |
| 20:59.42 | greycat | abrotman: I didn't check the factinfo on it |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | guess not |
| 20:59.49 | abrotman | greycat: ah .. gotcha |
| 20:59.55 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.00 | doub | thinking about another way to do such a thing, is it possible to boot debian installed on a usb key, with a no-USB key boot aware BIOS machine? like, having a floppy to instruct it where to boot from? |
| 21:00.12 | FieldySnuts | rube goldberg install? |
| 21:00.17 | streuner | Phated: most people wish that the winter is as soon as away :-) |
| 21:00.25 | sdogi | damn this channel is mess, i always get dizzy when i try to follow text on these hours :) |
| 21:00.30 | greycat | doub: just do a floppy net install. |
| 21:00.32 | doneill | !seen chaoscon |
| 21:00.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'chaoscon', doneill |
| 21:00.32 | tarzeau | streuner: is spring what they all want? |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | most people don't like snow |
| 21:00.33 | Phated | streuner: Most people aren't melting in sticky heat! |
| 21:00.40 | greycat | doub: can be done with 2-5 floppies in sarge, depending on which drivers you need. |
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| 21:00.42 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | Phated: i'll trade you |
| 21:00.44 | Phated | I want autumn all year round. |
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| 21:00.54 | TinoW | doub: yes, this is all possible |
| 21:00.58 | Phated | abrotman: No way, you're in that weird place. |
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| 21:01.07 | sdogi | it was like, on reasons why linus torvalds went away from finland |
| 21:01.07 | simonrvn | sdogi: quiet now |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | Phated: philly ? |
| 21:01.14 | simonrvn | damn lag |
| 21:01.15 | sdogi | cold and snow |
| 21:01.16 | defsy | Hi, how can I search at http://lists.debian.org/search.html for "G4 NVidia", glimpse returns an error? |
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| 21:01.23 | Phated | abrotman: US, |
| 21:01.24 | doub | greycat: that's not install i want to do, just booting an installed debian on usb key |
| 21:01.28 | abrotman | Phated: could be worse |
| 21:01.32 | settledown_debia | how hard is it to get sound working on Debian? |
| 21:01.39 | tarzeau | settledown_debia: not at all |
| 21:01.40 | abrotman | !tell settledown_debia about audio |
| 21:01.40 | TinoW | settledown_debia: not hard |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | settledown_debia: not very, in sarge, with normal non-bleeding audio chipsets. |
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| 21:01.54 | Phated | abrotman: Not by much. |
| 21:01.54 | sdogi | !tell me about something |
| 21:01.57 | sdogi | lol |
| 21:02.01 | settledown_debia | this is a stock dell, and i am using sarge |
| 21:02.01 | Thanatermesis | how big can be a file in reiserfs¿? |
| 21:02.06 | streuner | settledown_debia: usually modprobe the module, log out and back in, done. |
| 21:02.08 | TinoW | doub: dont talk about it - just do it :) |
| 21:02.10 | sdogi | 23:01 <dpkg> telling yourself: something is probably description |
| 21:02.11 | FieldySnuts | sdogi: !lart sdogi |
| 21:02.12 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: very big |
| 21:02.22 | Thanatermesis | tarzeau, +/- ? |
| 21:02.30 | FieldySnuts | 2TB or something, maybe more |
| 21:02.31 | directhex | Thanatermesis, you're talking terabytes. |
| 21:02.32 | TinoW | doub: nothing new or exciting in your ideas yet ;) |
| 21:02.33 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: i have no idea, what do you need? |
| 21:02.35 | chealer | defsy: BTW what are you looking for? |
| 21:02.58 | settledown_debia | modprobe which module? |
| 21:03.06 | settledown_debia | im soooooo noob |
| 21:03.07 | defsy | chealer: how to get backlight control into my Powerbook G4 12" (With NVidia :-() |
| 21:03.18 | simonrvn | !noob |
| 21:03.18 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:03.22 | TinoW | settledown_debia: apt-get install hotplug |
| 21:03.31 | streuner | settledown_debia: run 'lspci -v | grep Audio' and tell us the output |
| 21:03.32 | settledown_debia | haha |
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| 21:04.01 | doub | TinoW: sorry about that, i'll try to do better next time :) |
| 21:04.01 | Thanatermesis | Is only for me information tarzeau, the ext2 are only 2GB, for a security copies are very small :( |
| 21:04.08 | Thanatermesis | directhex, 1 terbyte? |
| 21:04.12 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: no that is wrong |
| 21:04.18 | chealer | defsy: I don't know what's backlight, but maybe #nvidia can help you. there are nvidia linux forums too |
| 21:04.20 | FieldySnuts | it's far more than 1TB on reiserfs3.6 |
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| 21:04.42 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: what linux kernel and arch are we talking about on ext2 now? |
| 21:04.44 | defsy | chealer: thanks, will try there |
| 21:04.48 | aXp | hi! |
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| 21:05.20 | simonrvn | !tell bb25_ -about root |
| 21:05.50 | settledown_debia | streuner: no result from thatr command, it just went to the next line |
| 21:06.02 | Thanatermesis | tarzeau, I have a friend to test copy a all system (copy security) and have the problem of the max size of files... |
| 21:06.05 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: 16 TB, unless you are on a 32 bit system, then its 2 TB.. |
| 21:06.14 | valdyn | settledown_debia: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 21:06.19 | Thanatermesis | Im talk to use reiserfs.. only is for my information |
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| 21:06.55 | streuner | settledown_debia: try 'lspci -v | grep audio' |
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| 21:07.05 | settledown_debia | valdyn: same |
| 21:07.06 | directhex | use XFS for large files. or JFS |
| 21:07.06 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: though with a 32 bit number you can only address 4 GB elements at a time. |
| 21:07.21 | ribnitz | directhex: how large can they grow? |
| 21:07.21 | TinoW | Reisefs, the germans say ;) |
| 21:07.39 | streuner | settledown_debia: so an onboard-chip? |
| 21:07.39 | settledown_debia | streuner: same |
| 21:07.45 | settledown_debia | on mobo |
| 21:07.47 | settledown_debia | no card |
| 21:07.48 | streuner | yep |
| 21:07.51 | ribnitz | TinoW: the filesystem you take when you know you need a backup anyway. |
| 21:08.21 | TinoW | ribnitz: hehe ;) while it is very solid on solid hardware |
| 21:08.47 | Empty | I've been running ResierFS for months on 16 boxes w/ no issue |
| 21:08.47 | ribnitz | TinoW: I dont use it, but I heard horrible stories. urban legends? |
| 21:08.59 | Empty | ribnitz, it used to be unstable I think |
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| 21:09.09 | TinoW | ribnitz: well if you use it on dying hard drives, it dies too |
| 21:09.10 | Empty | ribnitz, dpkg even gossips |
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| 21:09.14 | Empty | !reiserfs |
| 21:09.14 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 21:09.16 | streuner | settledown_debia: what's the exact name of the mobo? |
| 21:09.18 | settledown_debia | in modconf? which driver is mine? |
| 21:09.26 | Thanatermesis | !xfs |
| 21:09.27 | dpkg | methinks xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you ... |
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| 21:09.34 | TinoW | ribnitz: if you however use it on raid, it does not have any problems according to my experience |
| 21:09.38 | settledown_debia | it is a dell optiplex g1 |
| 21:09.45 | greycat | settledown_debia: you have to tell us what audio chipset lspci showed. |
| 21:09.58 | greycat | settledown_debia: if it's ISA, try "pnpdump" instead of lspci. |
| 21:10.00 | settledown_debia | lspci did nothing |
| 21:10.11 | ribnitz | TinoW: no fs has probs on a raid. except for max filesiz,e and getting slow with many small files in a dir. |
| 21:10.22 | greycat | !find bin/pnpdump$ woody |
| 21:10.30 | Empty | ribnitz, many small files is where Reiser excels |
| 21:10.45 | Thanatermesis | XFS provides full 64-bit file capabilities that scale easily to handle extremely large files and file systems that grow to 1 terabyte. |
| 21:10.45 | tarzeau | who has ever thought about writing a display manager? |
| 21:10.50 | PerfDave | Many small files which you don't care about, like bastard offspring ;) |
| 21:10.54 | TinoW | ribnitz: ext2/ext3 have when it comes to a crash. ext2 looses a bit, ext3 scans very long time :) |
| 21:10.57 | streuner | greycat: i got nothing too, and i have a SiS mobo with i810 audio |
| 21:11.03 | ribnitz | Empty: I have a case here of like slightly under 15k files (in a directory) |
| 21:11.03 | settledown_debia | 'pnpdump command not found' |
| 21:11.06 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, directhex reiserfs are more big files ? |
| 21:11.18 | settledown_debia | sorry it is an optiplex gx1 |
| 21:11.21 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: what you are listing isnt "special" at all.. |
| 21:11.38 | Empty | ribnitz, reiser will be much happier with that than ext2/3, dunno much about xfs though |
| 21:11.51 | aXp | how to just patch the debian source package and not build it? |
| 21:11.54 | TinoW | reiser3 is good for lots of small files where xfs is good for large files |
| 21:12.20 | aXp | TinoW, reser4 is better ;-) |
| 21:12.20 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: My personal ratings of (jounrnalling FSES) 1) jfs 2) xfs 3) ext3 (no hands on with reiser). |
| 21:12.23 | Thanatermesis | TinoW, what are the max size in XFS ? |
| 21:12.25 | FieldySnuts | don't consider xfs unless you have a good power backup, xfs reacts badly to it |
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| 21:12.34 | Empty | reiser on scsi drives for my qmail queue makes qmail a little slower than when I was running the queues in a ramdisk |
| 21:12.37 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, jfs? hum... |
| 21:12.41 | settledown_debia | lspci -v | grep audio gave me nothing, no info returned |
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| 21:12.51 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: larger then every disk you are probably able to buy let allone to put into your box for the next time |
| 21:12.56 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: JFS is from IBM, XFS is form SGI |
| 21:12.59 | FieldySnuts | Empty: gee, something on physical disks is slower than a ramdisk. big surprise! |
| 21:13.02 | streuner | settledown_debia: just test it with 'discover' discover would install the right modules for you |
| 21:13.21 | settledown_debia | type 'discover' into terminal? |
| 21:13.22 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: 64 TB? |
| 21:13.24 | streuner | settledown_debia: you could discover remove latter then |
| 21:13.26 | Thanatermesis | humm... |
| 21:13.34 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, in what FS 64 TB ? |
| 21:13.34 | streuner | settledown_debia: apt-get install discover |
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| 21:13.42 | ThreeDayMonk | what the? exim4 configuration seems totally messed up. In /etc/exim4, I have exim4.conf.template, passwd.client, and update-exim4.conf.conf ... but no exim4.conf to be found |
| 21:13.58 | Empty | FieldySnuts, slightly slower, not the orders of magnitude that ext2/3 was |
| 21:14.01 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: did you lately heard of such a thing called "google" ? ;) |
| 21:14.03 | PerfDave | ThreeDayMonk: You probably asked it to split its configurations into smaller files. |
| 21:14.14 | ThreeDayMonk | PerfDave: nah, I specifically told it not to! |
| 21:14.18 | valdyn | ThreeDayMonk: but a conf.d directory? |
| 21:14.23 | ThreeDayMonk | yeah |
| 21:14.27 | Seb | does 'dd if=/dev/hda of=- bs=1M | ssh blankbox "dd if=- of=/dev/hda"' sound like a reasonable to duplicate a linux install if the machines have identical disks ? |
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| 21:14.36 | valdyn | ThreeDayMonk: nothings messed up with that, thats how it is |
| 21:14.44 | Seb | a reasonable *wa* |
| 21:14.47 | Seb | way, even |
| 21:14.55 | ThreeDayMonk | so, it asks you if you want small files, and gives them to you anyway |
| 21:15.01 | nvz | I cant get this Xchat to not look like shit in windows.. heh |
| 21:15.15 | TinoW | Seb: yes, you can put gzip in the pipe too |
| 21:15.23 | partially | i would like to configure dual moitors on debian with one console on one and one on another, but i wanted to know if both monitors could act independently of eachother, anyone have any information |
| 21:15.23 | greycat | Seb: only if blankbox is not running with any file systems mounted from /dev/hda |
| 21:15.33 | Seb | greycat: yep, I thought about that |
| 21:15.33 | greycat | TinoW: gzip may slow it down. |
| 21:15.38 | Seb | heh |
| 21:15.39 | streuner | nvz: only the fonts |
| 21:15.46 | TinoW | greycat: depends |
| 21:15.47 | Seb | :> |
| 21:16.07 | Seb | i'm on a very fast LAN, but the boxes themselves are fast ones too, so I dunno what's best |
| 21:16.13 | settledown_debia | ok discover worked, what do you need to know |
| 21:16.15 | streuner | nvz: which make a big difference, but anyway i use still 1.8.9 |
| 21:16.15 | TinoW | Seb: I once did this a couple of years ago to mirror a slowlaris box :-) |
| 21:16.21 | greycat | Seb: if the LAN is fast, don't gzip |
| 21:16.26 | Seb | greycat: k |
| 21:16.41 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, in what FS 64 TB? in JFS ? |
| 21:16.43 | Seb | TinoW: starting with Sol. 10, it ain't Slowaris no more, though, you're ware of that ? :> |
| 21:16.51 | Seb | aware |
| 21:16.52 | TinoW | Seb: without gzip you copy every block, even if it contains only 0000000 |
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| 21:17.18 | TinoW | Seb: well, because Sol 10 only works on large boxes ;) |
| 21:17.22 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: read that with jfs its 4 to 16 Petabyte (depending on block size), 2^44 blocks. |
| 21:17.27 | Seb | ah, in this case it might matter, cause I only have a 75G partition, and right after the fresh isntall i doubt more than 500M is actually used |
| 21:17.42 | TinoW | yeah |
| 21:17.42 | Thanatermesis | XFS: For example, XFS directories have been tested with up to 32 million files in a single directory. |
| 21:17.42 | settledown_debia | intel chipset |
| 21:17.48 | TinoW | so mild gzip does indeed matter |
| 21:17.50 | Seb | greycat: so in case of a ver ylarge aprtition that's almost not used at all, gzip still would help, though, right ? |
| 21:17.51 | nvz | streuner, well I tried changing the font.. I am using arial right now I think.. but its just hard for me to read I am used to irssi in an aterm |
| 21:17.52 | Thanatermesis | woooow |
| 21:17.55 | streuner | settledown_debia: just run 'lsmod' and look for the sound module |
| 21:18.06 | greycat | Seb: hmm.. maybe. |
| 21:18.08 | TinoW | Seb: you dont have to go for -9 or so. -2 shoud suffice |
| 21:18.27 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: XFS is actually faster than JFS, but reacts badly to power failures. |
| 21:18.33 | Seb | that'd be 'dd if=/dev/hda of=- bs=1M | gzip -2 | ssh blankbox "gunzip | dd if=- of=/dev/hda"' then |
| 21:18.40 | streuner | settledown_debia: do you see a module like 'i810-'? |
| 21:18.43 | greycat | I'd use gzip -1, if anything. |
| 21:18.45 | TinoW | ribnitz: well, it just looses the last open files :) |
| 21:18.53 | Seb | greycat: you're not convinced by the 0000 thing TinoW mentioned, or ? |
| 21:18.55 | settledown_debia | sound 75308 2 ad1848,uart401 |
| 21:18.59 | settledown_debia | that it? |
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| 21:19.04 | streuner | nope |
| 21:19.06 | greycat | Seb: still too many variables (disk speeds, etc.) |
| 21:19.11 | Thanatermesis | hummm... this is interesant ribnitz ... in actually I have all my system in XFS for test it |
| 21:19.15 | greycat | Seb: you can't be sure except by trying it |
| 21:19.18 | ribnitz | TinoW: itz doesnt loose them. it (may) corrupt the contents. |
| 21:19.22 | Seb | greycat: k, makes sense |
| 21:19.24 | TinoW | Seb: also watch out for the nice kill -USR1 <pid of dd> |
| 21:19.47 | Seb | greycat: matter of fact I have 2 boxes to replicate, so I'll time it using both ways :) |
| 21:19.58 | Seb | TinoW: what do you mean ? |
| 21:20.05 | streuner | settledown_debia: /j #flood and show us the whole output of 'lsmod' |
| 21:20.06 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: as a very short gist, do your own research and decide whats best for you.. |
| 21:20.11 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, humm.. what GB are one petabyte? xD |
| 21:20.11 | settledown_debia | this paste may flood so i apologize in advance |
| 21:20.13 | settledown_debia | snd_vx_lib 29568 0 |
| 21:20.14 | settledown_debia | snd_hwdep 9092 1 snd_vx_lib |
| 21:20.14 | settledown_debia | snd_dummy 10308 0 |
| 21:20.14 | settledown_debia | snd_pcm 85384 2 snd_vx_lib,snd_dummy |
| 21:20.14 | settledown_debia | snd_timer 23172 1 snd_pcm |
| 21:20.14 | settledown_debia | snd 50660 5 snd_vx_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_dummy,snd_pcm,snd_timersoundcore 9824 2 sound,snd |
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| 21:20.16 | FieldySnuts | dick. |
| 21:20.24 | Phated | Moron. |
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| 21:20.36 | Seb | hah |
| 21:20.41 | streuner | settledown_debia: in #flood not here :-) |
| 21:20.44 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: 2^10 |
| 21:20.51 | Seb | "I apologize in advance", very good, heh |
| 21:20.55 | settledown_debia | damn |
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| 21:21.17 | FieldySnuts | that reminds me of monty python's announcements before offensive sketches "the BBC wishes to appologize for the following sketch." |
| 21:21.19 | Phated | SHould have given some time for people to say "don't, you fucking idiot." |
| 21:21.21 | Jacco | I hav an idea. |
| 21:21.25 | TinoW | Seb: just try it while dd is running |
| 21:21.30 | Seb | "this will surely piss you off but I can't help so here it comes" :D |
| 21:21.32 | Jacco | I'm going to run DSL. |
| 21:21.33 | nvz | settledown_debia, are you from Morgantown? |
| 21:21.38 | Seb | TinoW: hrm I'm not sure I wanna do that |
| 21:21.42 | Jacco | and nab the xf86cfg from it. |
| 21:21.45 | Jacco | and use it with debian. |
| 21:21.54 | cafuego | settledown_debia: /topic. |
| 21:22.00 | TinoW | Seb: oh, why not? |
| 21:22.02 | Phated | And learn to put a sentence on one line, golly gee whiz! |
| 21:22.09 | Seb | TinoW: what'd it do ? :> |
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| 21:22.31 | TinoW | Seb: it tells you how many blocks have been copied to stderr |
| 21:22.33 | ThreeDayMonk | damn my flaky connection |
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| 21:22.42 | Jacco | xD |
| 21:22.44 | Blissex | Jacco: today I saw a wonderful quote: in the sixties cool kids did LSD, now they do DSL :-) |
| 21:22.46 | takatumi | Jacco: why? |
| 21:22.55 | Jacco | Haha, nice one Blissex. |
| 21:23.05 | Seb | heh |
| 21:23.07 | settledown_debia | ok ok, i got it, back off |
| 21:23.10 | ThreeDayMonk | OK, my problem is that I am trying to follow some exmi4/cyrus integration instructions, but since I have no exim config file, I can't! |
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| 21:23.19 | Jacco | takatumi: Because X on Debian is badly configured for me and I need to get a valid configuration to get it to start. |
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| 21:23.20 | Seb | TinoW: ah, ok. I guess I could have man dd rather than get scared :) |
| 21:23.36 | nvz | we got flaky connections here, cause my family for whatever reason replaced the wired Cat5 network I left them with, with a Wireless 802.11b/g network.. when most systems are desktops and in the same locations I ran wires to. |
| 21:23.44 | Phated | takatumi: "Because I am incapable of configuring X on my own." |
| 21:23.53 | ribnitz | Seb: have fun with dd, it can royally screw your system. |
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| 21:24.01 | Jacco | Phated: I did configure it. |
| 21:24.04 | takatumi | Jacco: checked the errors? |
| 21:24.04 | settledown_debia | streuner: any good? |
| 21:24.08 | ThreeDayMonk | nvz: yeah, wireless is involved. But badly-filtered ADSL is the real problem |
| 21:24.10 | Jacco | I'm using a virtual pc though, so it's uber-hard. |
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| 21:24.13 | Phated | Not properly, obviously. |
| 21:24.13 | Jacco | settledown_debia: yes. |
| 21:24.15 | Jacco | of course. |
| 21:24.21 | Jacco | Phated: ;x |
| 21:24.25 | Jacco | >o |
| 21:24.27 | takatumi | Phated: yeah, that's where its pointing. |
| 21:24.35 | Jacco | I used that auto-config tool. |
| 21:24.39 | Jacco | and vesa for the driver. |
| 21:24.39 | Phated | takatumi: Mmhm, he's all yours, deary. |
| 21:24.44 | Jacco | vesa doesn't work as a driver. |
| 21:25.04 | streuner | settledown_debia: that looks like ALSA |
| 21:25.06 | Thanatermesis | humm... thanks all |
| 21:25.14 | ThreeDayMonk | Seb: I used that dd-over-ssh trick with Windows before now. Someone brought me an infected laptop, so I booted it with Knoppix, dd'd the drive over to a hard disk, and reinstalled from scratch, with the data still recoverable |
| 21:25.15 | Seb | ribnitz: not in the way I intedn to use it ;) |
| 21:25.16 | settledown_debia | ok |
| 21:25.18 | nvz | when I get myself a system setup here, I am going wired. |
| 21:25.30 | takatumi | Jacco: if vesa doesn't work, then stick with CLI |
| 21:25.32 | Seb | ribnitz: that's what they all say, right ? ;) |
| 21:25.39 | Jacco | takatumi: what's cli? |
| 21:25.41 | slocate | i get an error when trying to open a link from gnome-terminal |
| 21:25.45 | Seb | ThreeDayMonk: yeah, makes sense |
| 21:25.46 | ribnitz | Seb: true, but it can be a lethal weapon in the hand of a n00b.. :) |
| 21:25.53 | ThreeDayMonk | nvz: oh, yes, wired is the way to go |
| 21:25.53 | Seb | ribnitz: it sure can :> |
| 21:25.56 | slocate | Could not open the address "http:www.kkk.com": |
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| 21:26.00 | holo | hi |
| 21:26.03 | streuner | settledown_debia: well, 'alsaconf' should configure auto your card then... |
| 21:26.09 | ThreeDayMonk | slocate: maybe they are a .org ... |
| 21:26.10 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, what are your FS recomend me for a simple computer? I test reiser and Im like very good, in this moments Im testing the XFS... |
| 21:26.15 | ribnitz | Seb: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 21:26.18 | settledown_debia | heh |
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| 21:26.26 | slocate | Could not open the address "http:www.kkk.com": |
| 21:26.28 | slocate | There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location. |
| 21:26.38 | streuner | settledown_debia: yep, apt-get remove discover and run 'alsaconf' then |
| 21:26.41 | TinoW | slocate: this is not an URL |
| 21:26.41 | settledown_debia | should i not be using alsa |
| 21:26.44 | takatumi | Jacco: the black screen where you get to type stuff. |
| 21:26.49 | Thanatermesis | slocate, http:// <-- |
| 21:26.57 | slocate | TinoW: that was a test |
| 21:27.05 | streuner | settledown_debia: why not? but i have no idea what's the name in OSS |
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| 21:27.09 | Seb | ribnitz: even typing this ni a public channel could be construed as wicked trickery :> |
| 21:27.12 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: I use ext3 for boot partition, XFS for /usr and /var, and JFS for anything containing valuable data. I also do a daily backup to JFS disk. |
| 21:27.29 | ribnitz | Seb: "act of terrorism"? |
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| 21:27.47 | slocate | TinoW: it happens with all urls |
| 21:27.48 | Seb | hah |
| 21:27.53 | TinoW | Seb: this is the usual preparement when you are going to use that disk encrypted |
| 21:28.00 | cepheus | I'm trying to run a script whenever I get a new IP from dhcp, and it seems best to do that with an "up" command |
| 21:28.07 | takatumi | Jacco: what lines with EE are there in /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 21:28.13 | cepheus | Does ifup provide the IP in a env variable? |
| 21:28.22 | Thanatermesis | ribnitz, you are tested reiserfs? |
| 21:28.23 | Seb | TinoW: ? |
| 21:28.26 | Thanatermesis | cepheus, error |
| 21:28.27 | holo | i can't start X as non root user.. cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log|grep EE tells nothing.. any idea? |
| 21:28.30 | settledown_debia | ok, removing discover....installing alsaconf |
| 21:28.33 | TinoW | Seb: the /dev/random part |
| 21:28.43 | ribnitz | Thanatermesis: no, the setup I have does all I want. |
| 21:28.47 | Seb | TinoW: oh yeah |
| 21:29.00 | cepheus | Thanatermesis, Are you saying it doesn't? |
| 21:29.02 | TinoW | holo: wild guess - you are not on a console when you try? |
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| 21:29.15 | ribnitz | TinoW: how good are the /dev/urandom numbers? |
| 21:29.33 | holo | TinoW: too wild :) |
| 21:29.38 | greycat | ribnitz: man 4 random |
| 21:29.38 | Phated | holo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, select "root and console users" instead of "root only". |
| 21:29.42 | TinoW | ribnitz: not too, but they are fast ;) |
| 21:29.53 | Phated | holo: When it asks who should be allowed to start X. |
| 21:30.15 | holo | Phated: oops :S i deactivated that from boot at the runlevel i'm running |
| 21:30.25 | Phated | WTF... |
| 21:30.33 | streuner | settledown_debia: alsaconf is in alsa-utils |
| 21:30.35 | Phated | No idea why you would, but heck, you fixed it. |
| 21:30.40 | holo | Phated: i mean xserver-common init script :S |
| 21:30.42 | holo | :X |
| 21:31.18 | holo | but .. strange, i did it days ago and nothing unusual happened |
| 21:31.24 | holo | ok.. checking |
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| 21:32.16 | TinoW | holo: if you use a ?dm, you probably do not notice |
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| 21:32.55 | holo | TinoW: ?dm's complain in same manner when i try to login as user |
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| 21:33.18 | settledown_debia | it is now probing isa legacy |
| 21:33.26 | settledown_debia | alsaconf that is |
| 21:33.29 | FieldySnuts | heh isa |
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| 21:33.55 | settledown_debia | legacy cards |
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| 21:34.13 | settledown_debia | this will take forever |
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| 21:34.18 | nvz | holo, how about not grepping the log and actually reading it, especially the end of it |
| 21:34.22 | cafuego | ISA is great for cheap non-shite modems. |
| 21:34.32 | nvz | holo, there is no point in us guessing endlessly |
| 21:34.41 | TinoW | cafuego: M$-ISA-Server? ;) |
| 21:34.51 | takatumi | nvz: he says no EE |
| 21:35.01 | cafuego | TinoW: What does MS have to o with *anything* ? |
| 21:35.04 | maher | [OT] what is the best ps2 ddr game? |
| 21:35.06 | settledown_debia | i think it is working |
| 21:35.13 | holo | nvz: i did read it of course.. hang on just a moment while i try what phated suggested |
| 21:35.15 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 21:35.16 | cafuego | maher: [OT] /j sony |
| 21:35.20 | nvz | takatumi, I know what he said, that grep EE shows nothing, but without grep EEit surely shows the whole log |
| 21:35.42 | Jacco | How do I kill teh X server?!! |
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| 21:35.57 | maher | cafuego: i am so ignorant i don't know what channel to ask that in.... |
| 21:36.01 | settledown_debia | thx streuner |
| 21:36.04 | doub | Jacco: with a knife ? |
| 21:36.06 | FieldySnuts | wrong network i'd say |
| 21:36.11 | Jacco | doub: x |
| 21:36.13 | Jacco | :x |
| 21:36.19 | Jacco | the keyboard shortcut. |
| 21:36.23 | streuner | Jacco: if you start X via (x)dm, kill (x)dm then |
| 21:36.23 | doub | Jacco: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:36.30 | Phated | You learn to ask a question without looking completely incompetent, Jacco, or do C-A=BkSp. |
| 21:36.33 | cafuego | maher: [OT] well, we wouldn't know either. |
| 21:36.37 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok I have oracle installed I think |
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| 21:36.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: minus the configuration assistant |
| 21:37.13 | doub | Jacco: but be shure to be face to face with Him, killing Him in the back would be cowardice |
| 21:37.14 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: uhm .. don't you kind of need that? |
| 21:37.16 | cafuego | maher: Not to mention /msg dpkg best ;-) |
| 21:37.34 | ThreeDayMonk | Does anyone use exim4 ? |
| 21:37.54 | settledown_debia | dang still no sound |
| 21:38.03 | settledown_debia | i give up for today |
| 21:38.08 | PerfDave | ThreeDayMonk: I do |
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| 21:38.14 | kab | which server of LDAP recomend you? |
| 21:38.17 | Thanatermesis | any person is posible to scan my ports please ? |
| 21:38.32 | streuner | settle: Did 'alsaconf' detect any soundcard? |
| 21:38.33 | Deathscythe071 | does the linux network install support wifi? |
| 21:38.33 | kab | I found this LDAP server slapd - OpenLDAP server (slapd) |
| 21:38.53 | ThreeDayMonk | PerfDave: I'm trying to integrate it with cyrus. I found instructions ( http://anfi.homeunix.net/exim/rtvcyrus.html ) but I can't edit the "exim configuration file" because I can't find it! |
| 21:38.54 | holo | Phated: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common with option all users enabled /etc/init.d/xfree86-common start and still users can't login except root |
| 21:39.09 | PerfDave | ThreeDayMonk: I've not tried integrating it with Cyrus. |
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| 21:39.13 | greycat | holo: cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 21:39.17 | PerfDave | kab: That's probably what you want. |
| 21:39.20 | d03boy | from the gui login screen, how can I go to a term so X isnt running? or is th elogic screen not an X interfae? |
| 21:39.25 | Phated | holo: Yeah now greycat will take over. |
| 21:39.27 | PerfDave | ThreeDayMonk: dpkg -L exim4* |
| 21:39.32 | greycat | holo: and what do you mean "can't login"? |
| 21:39.36 | nvz | amen |
| 21:39.37 | TinoW | holo: and check if your partition is full |
| 21:39.38 | greycat | Phated: I have to leave shortly. |
| 21:39.40 | prock | d03boy: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 21:39.40 | nvz | what _do_ ou mean |
| 21:39.44 | Phated | d03boy: c-a-F1, |
| 21:39.44 | d03boy | k |
| 21:39.55 | nvz | I am still waiting to understand the issue |
| 21:40.02 | kab | PerfDave, I want a LDAP server to do some test's but I don't know if exist another better |
| 21:40.02 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: if you're willing to switch MTAs, postfix is preconfigured for cyrus. |
| 21:40.10 | holo | greycat: it just exits when i make startx, leaving no errors, just some warnings regarding fonts |
| 21:40.14 | d03boy | hrm... that didnt seem to work :\ |
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| 21:40.22 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: Or, if you're sane, for courier <heh> |
| 21:40.23 | Deathscythe071 | anyone> when doing the linux install for debian, is there a way to get it to pick up my wifi card? |
| 21:40.27 | greycat | holo: then it's your .xsession or your .xinitrc or your X server config, duh. |
| 21:40.30 | Phated | greycat: You involved yourself! I've given the simplest solution, I'm willing to bet he has a funky config, and someone else can help him. |
| 21:40.31 | PerfDave | kab: slapd is probably what you want. |
| 21:40.33 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: I'll go with anything. It just has to work! |
| 21:40.33 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I dotn know |
| 21:40.35 | d03boy | c-a-f1 shuts down the X server? |
| 21:40.37 | asuffield | Phated: you picked up the idiot, you get to feed it :P |
| 21:40.39 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I have no idea about oracle |
| 21:40.40 | greycat | d03boy: no |
| 21:40.41 | PerfDave | Deathscythe071: Have a wifi card that's supported by Linux? |
| 21:40.44 | ThreeDayMonk | why is mail config so bleeding hard...? |
| 21:40.47 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i'm pretty sure you need that .. go to #sql and ask :) |
| 21:40.50 | Phated | asuffield: Someone else did as well. |
| 21:40.52 | greycat | ThreeDayMonk: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 21:40.55 | PerfDave | ThreeDayMonk: It isn't, really. |
| 21:40.58 | prock | d03boy: no, it takes you to the first virtual terminal |
| 21:40.59 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok |
| 21:41.00 | kab | PerfDave, yeap; http://www.openldap.org/ |
| 21:41.02 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: Install postfix, edit main.cf (There are two cyrus delivery lines in there, just enable the one you need) |
| 21:41.05 | Phated | asuffield: I merely prodded him a little. |
| 21:41.07 | kab | PerfDave, Thank you |
| 21:41.09 | prock | d03boy: which should be a console login screen |
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| 21:41.23 | holo | TinoW: still plenty of space remaining in / |
| 21:41.31 | holo | greycat: allowed_users=anybody :\ |
| 21:41.34 | Deathscythe071 | PerfDave> not sure, I didn't see any wifi cards supported at all. it's a linksys card |
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| 21:41.38 | holo | greycat: i guess you found it |
| 21:41.38 | prock | d03boy: if you have a fancy keyboard you may need to make sure 'flock' is on |
| 21:41.40 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: the other teensy detail I want is to have mail accounts divorced from system accounts |
| 21:41.53 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: it said in the install that it was optional |
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| 21:41.56 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: store 'em in ldap or sql? |
| 21:41.56 | serialkiller | anyone use sudo alot? i need some helpwith -H -u commands |
| 21:42.00 | greycat | holo: fix your dot files. |
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| 21:42.04 | greycat | !wikifaq holo DotFiles |
| 21:42.05 | dpkg | holo: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:42.22 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: yeah, that's be great. I'm trying to work out how! |
| 21:42.33 | PerfDave | Deathscythe071: If it's supported by Linux, it should be autodetected. |
| 21:42.43 | superCow007 | hey, I am running testing and looking for package, php4-dbase, but when I run "aptitude show php4-dbase" it says, "State: not a real package" - how can I install this php extension then? |
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| 21:42.54 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: Well. |
| 21:43.01 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 21:43.10 | d03boy | i need to install the nvidia drivers... so I need to shutdown X... how would one do this without just killing the process? |
| 21:43.12 | holo | greg_work: strange, isn't this file edited when dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common is ran? |
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| 21:43.18 | holo | *greycat |
| 21:43.21 | ThreeDayMonk | every mail config article I find has a different combination of packages... |
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| 21:43.22 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: I run a similar setup with about 150 domains. Works fine. |
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| 21:43.37 | Deathscythe071 | PerfDave> I see, well I'll go to thier site and see if they don't have a driver for it. cuz I'm having to do the network install from this old laptop cuz it doesn't boot from cd-rom :( |
| 21:43.42 | ThreeDayMonk | that's a recommendation, then |
| 21:43.49 | petemc | jharrisonwk: hey |
| 21:43.50 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: option perhaps .. but do you need it .. i think you can have that CA on another machine |
| 21:43.51 | PerfDave | Deathscythe071: Try putting a real NIC in it. |
| 21:44.01 | tarzeau | say i am a display manager, how would i launch /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
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| 21:44.13 | holo | *xserver-common |
| 21:44.24 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: ooh, nice tutorial |
| 21:44.45 | Deathscythe071 | PerfDave> excuse my ignorance, but whats a NIC? |
| 21:44.48 | Paco | i just did a sarge install, and i tried to install the x-window system. i inputed the wrong info by accident. is there any way i can REMOVE the x-server package and re-install it? |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | !nic |
| 21:44.50 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 21:44.50 | TinoW | Deathscythe071: some cards require firmware to load |
| 21:45.00 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: There's a million postfix/courier/mysql tutorials out there :-) |
| 21:45.00 | Deathscythe071 | Tinow> I see |
| 21:45.03 | PerfDave | Deathscythe071: A Network Interface Card |
| 21:45.10 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: yeah - and none of them work! |
| 21:45.18 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: Oh, yes they do <heh> |
| 21:45.19 | prock | d03boy: I would have thought you could install them while X is running... but in any event, '/etc/init.d/<display_manager> stop' will shutdown your display manager (substituting <display_manager> with gdm, xdm, or kdm) |
| 21:45.26 | TinoW | Deathscythe071: its easier of you have a running system, with hotplug and yada...yada... |
| 21:45.30 | d03boy | ok |
| 21:45.30 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: if you have the same configuration |
| 21:45.37 | PerfDave | Paco: You can probably just reconfigfure it with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 21:45.38 | Deathscythe071 | kk, thnx for the help, peace |
| 21:45.44 | abrotman | heehee |
| 21:45.56 | cafuego | ThreeDayMonk: Youy start off with the same config, so it works. Then you make changes. |
| 21:46.02 | ribnitz | ThreeDayMonk: http://slett.net/spam-filtering-for-mx/ |
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| 21:46.10 | d03boy | woohooo |
| 21:46.22 | holo | someone: what is the third option in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common ? my option is translated |
| 21:46.37 | jethro | wow |
| 21:46.45 | TinoW | holo: dpkg-reconfigure locales first :) |
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| 21:46.50 | PerfDave | holo: LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 21:47.11 | cafuego | And SPF/dns blacklists and regex filtering are trivial in postfix too (as is smavis/spamassassin/clamd) |
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| 21:47.23 | holo | yep that would work too |
| 21:47.25 | dgarcia | a question... I recompile my kernel (2.6.8) thats worked fine... but when I restart the System display the message: ran out of input data --System Halted..... any idea? |
| 21:47.25 | jethro | spamd(8) uber alles! |
| 21:47.33 | vladster | I think I am currently using oss, what is involved in setting up alsa without breaking things? |
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| 21:48.10 | ribnitz | cafuego: I think its more about getting ot know a tool, whether its exim, postfix or sendmail in the end, doesnt matter that much. |
| 21:48.12 | doub | vladster: remove oss driver, in the module config files and from running kernel, and then configure alsa |
| 21:48.14 | vladster | I am a little paranoid at this point since everything else is working well but now I am running apps that are looking for alsa |
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| 21:48.23 | jethro | danke schön darlin danke schön |
| 21:48.31 | TinoW | jethro: ;) |
| 21:48.32 | ShadowLord | Hiya... |
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| 21:48.36 | ShadowLord | I'm looking to install Debian (net install)... Now I have finally found the CD Images, but there are 4 flavours. Bf2.4, compact, idepci and vanilla. Now I;m not sure which one to use... I can remember the bf2.4 is the 'standard' one an dteh compact is (how amazing) a compact kernel... But I'm puzzeled by the other 2. |
| 21:48.36 | TinoW | well, goodnite |
| 21:48.40 | vladster | is there a howto on this somewhere |
| 21:48.42 | ShadowLord | an anyone tell me what the differences are bewteen de bf2.4, idepci and vanilla? |
| 21:48.42 | jethro | nite TinoW |
| 21:48.51 | cafuego | ribnitz: You don't want to be in the position where you discover AFTER the fact that another tool is better suited to the task. |
| 21:48.59 | PerfDave | dgarcia: Why did you compile your own kernel? We have kernel-image packages. |
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| 21:49.15 | Varg_ | Can anyone think of a reason why I would get a "VFS: Unable to mount root" error if I've built my FS and IDE drivers into the kernel, and set up grub properly? |
| 21:49.15 | jethro | running a custom kernel is l33t |
| 21:49.22 | dgarcia | PerfDave: i need rtl8139 |
| 21:49.24 | ribnitz | cafuego: Mail setup was a days work. |
| 21:49.37 | ShadowLord | Or is there is stable release with the 2.6 kernel somewhere? |
| 21:49.38 | dgarcia | PerfDAve: what can I do now? |
| 21:49.40 | PerfDave | dgarcia: You shouldn't need to recompile your kernel for that. |
| 21:49.58 | ribnitz | Varg_: are they modularised? |
| 21:50.06 | Varg_ | ribnitz: No, built-in |
| 21:50.11 | cafuego | ribnitz: Here too, but writing the user tools (admin-my-own-domain-via-squirrelmail-plugin) took a bit longer. |
| 21:50.14 | Varg_ | ribnitz: No need for an initrd |
| 21:50.20 | doub | vladster: maybe you did not mention the root= parameter correclty |
| 21:50.27 | jethro | initrd is the root of all sins |
| 21:50.28 | ribnitz | Varg_: anything special, like sata? |
| 21:50.31 | Varg_ | doub: Its the same as the default image parameter |
| 21:50.36 | ribnitz | Varg_: or scsi? |
| 21:50.36 | Varg_ | Noid, no sata |
| 21:50.39 | Varg_ | No scsi |
| 21:50.41 | PerfDave | dgarcia: What you can do now is boot back into your old kernel ;) |
| 21:50.48 | doub | s/ vladster/Varg_ |
| 21:50.49 | ribnitz | Varg_: if so you need those drivers as well. |
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| 21:50.59 | doub | Varg_: what's written before? |
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| 21:51.03 | saluteme | !source |
| 21:51.03 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" ... |
| 21:51.05 | dgarcia | PerfDAve: the new kernel write by old kernel |
| 21:51.28 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: it said in the installer that it was not required and to continue past it just click next |
| 21:51.39 | Varg_ | doub: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11 root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 21:51.44 | vladster | doub: you lost me on the root= pameter? |
| 21:51.48 | jharrisonwk | petemc: do you know if the oracle config management assistant is required? |
| 21:51.49 | vladster | parameter |
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| 21:52.21 | PerfDave | dgarcia: Surely you used make-kpkg to install the kernel, thus letting the two co-exist nicely. |
| 21:52.29 | doub | vladster: i was talking to Varg_ but did not type tab sufficient times, sorry |
| 21:52.38 | PerfDave | dgarcia: Because of course you read the Debian Installation Manual which tells you this. |
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| 21:52.45 | Varg_ | So I only have IDE devices, which I built-in, I builtin the FS drivers as well, and my root is the same as the debian image |
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| 21:52.47 | vladster | no worries bruce |
| 21:52.52 | doub | Varg_: i mean on the boot console, before "unable to mount root" |
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| 21:53.07 | dgarcia | PerfDave: Lilo only show me the new kernel, I cant boot |
| 21:53.13 | Paco | perfdave, thanx, that helped |
| 21:53.24 | ribnitz | Varg_: why are you building your own kernel? |
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| 21:53.35 | Varg_ | ribnitz: Because I'm controlling like that |
| 21:53.37 | PerfDave | dgarcia: Then you screwed up. You'll need a rescue floppy or CD to recover your system. |
| 21:53.39 | petemc | jharrisonwk: its not required per se, but it makes it easier to set up your db |
| 21:53.56 | serialkiller | the sudo -H -u allows you to run a program with as another user and use fiels in thier home directory right? |
| 21:54.09 | Varg_ | doub: hdc1: unknown device, Unable to mount root on (hd0,0) |
| 21:54.09 | cafuego | vladster: hahahaha! |
| 21:54.11 | petemc | jharrisonwk: its easy to get going, its just a script that loads java stuff, you can edit it and change the path to the jre |
| 21:54.16 | Paco | perfdave, its just that my x-server still won't load up |
| 21:54.19 | cafuego | vladster: People actually drink that stuff? |
| 21:54.31 | PerfDave | Paco: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 21:54.32 | dgarcia | PerfDAva: the HD is SATA, what recover CD can be usefull? |
| 21:54.33 | ribnitz | Varg_: you can trust the debian folx to build reasonable kernels (kernel-image-...) |
| 21:54.55 | Paco | perfdave,u want me to type that in here? |
| 21:55.03 | ribnitz | Varg_: even a firewall of mine uses a stock debian kernel. |
| 21:55.06 | PerfDave | dgarcia: No idea, I don't have SATA and I never get my system in an unbootable state, because I read the instructions. |
| 21:55.12 | PerfDave | Paco: Yeah |
| 21:55.16 | vladster | Yep and wrestle a crock right after |
| 21:55.17 | Paco | okay |
| 21:55.17 | Varg_ | ribnitz: I know; I'm using one now; but I honestly don't why this error would occur, and it's a matter of pride anyway =) |
| 21:55.18 | PerfDave | !tell Paco -about msgdpkg |
| 21:55.38 | dgarcia | PerfDAve: i am human, help me |
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| 21:55.53 | nvz | xchat 2.4.1 in windows Restores the window size from maximized instead of minimizing when I click on it in the taskbar.. :P |
| 21:56.00 | vladster | and once brused and battered go home for a cuddle with the shiela |
| 21:56.06 | PerfDave | dgarcia: I'm human too. I don't know which rescue discs or whatever will work with SATA. Maybe Google will help. |
| 21:56.11 | PerfDave | Wow, dpkg is lagged. |
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| 21:56.47 | doub | Varg_: look for lines begining with hd[something]. if there's no hdc, then your root= is not correct |
| 21:56.48 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ok .. but i'd still try to get it installed |
| 21:56.49 | peter___ | anyone know of an accelerated framebuffer for nvidia cards? google doesn't return anything useful |
| 21:57.20 | cafuego | vladster: Seriously though, aussies don't drink foster's. At all. (it's a "tinny" btw, not a "can") |
| 21:57.23 | Varg_ | doub: I only have one laptop HDD, and for some reason its located at /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hda |
| 21:57.53 | ribnitz | Varg_: what version fo the init tools are you using, also woody, sarge, or sid? |
| 21:57.56 | Varg_ | doub: And as before, the root= is identical to the default linux parameter |
| 21:57.59 | PerfDave | cafuego: VB! |
| 21:58.01 | Varg_ | ribnitz: sarge |
| 21:58.01 | doub | Varg_: this depends on the kernel, maybe that's not the case with the new one |
| 21:58.08 | cafuego | PerfDave: Now we're talking. |
| 21:58.17 | doub | Varg_: though that sounds unlikely |
| 21:58.22 | vladster | that is true, I can't get black swan here |
| 21:58.42 | puff | Hm, /proc/loadavg contains 5 numbers... the first three are obviously load numbers, but what are the last two? 0.22 0.21 0.18 4/161 3497 |
| 21:58.52 | Varg_ | doub: 2.6.11? Should be the same....well I mean if there isn't any other obvious error, then it must be some sort of software conflict in the kernel or something |
| 21:58.55 | vladster | a 1 litre bottle goes nicely |
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| 21:59.05 | cafuego | puff: if 4th one is processes. active/total |
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| 21:59.18 | cafuego | puff: Not sure about the last one, it's not immediately obvious |
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| 21:59.35 | doub | Varg_: what are the hd lines in boot console looking like? |
| 21:59.48 | quittt | where can I get xmms-wma plugin? |
| 21:59.52 | cafuego | vladster: "stubby" not "bottle". |
| 22:00.13 | PerfDave | quittt: It might be in marillat. |
| 22:00.19 | cafuego | Kota Kinabalu! |
| 22:00.39 | ribnitz | quittt: xmms webpage, marillat/nerim? |
| 22:01.12 | superCow007 | how can I force a package to install despite a dependency not being met? |
| 22:01.21 | abrotman | superCow007: man dpkg |
| 22:01.35 | quittt | PerfDave, Marillat? |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | !tell quittt about marillat |
| 22:01.55 | vladster | the 2.6 kernel in sarge already has the support for alsa built in right? |
| 22:01.58 | Varg_ | doub: Sorry, I don't have them saved, All I remember is that it was 'unknown device hdc1: unable to mount root on (hd0,0), invalid root= option' |
| 22:01.59 | PerfDave | !wayttd superCow007 |
| 22:02.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, superCow007? |
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| 22:02.06 | cafuego | vladster: yes |
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| 22:02.20 | doub | puff: from the proc man page, the last is the PID of the last created process |
| 22:02.30 | vladster | then I can skip that part |
| 22:02.31 | quittt | thank you abrotman |
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| 22:03.39 | superCow007 | hrmm.. there is a non-official package php4-mapscript.. that is dependent on a special cgi version of php4 called php4-cgi-mapscript.. but I am installing the libapache2-mod-php4 package so I don't need php4-cgi-mapscript, since php is provided for by that package.. |
| 22:03.40 | Klowner | could anyone suggest a URL which might instruct me how to install debian on a brand spanking new AMD64 machine? |
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| 22:03.51 | PerfDave | Klowner: #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:04.02 | Klowner | thanky PerfDave |
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| 22:04.06 | quittt | how do I send a file someone using HTTP? |
| 22:04.12 | puff | doub: Really? Thanks, I dind't see that in my "man proc" |
| 22:04.13 | quittt | is there any way to do it? |
| 22:04.16 | quittt | easy way |
| 22:04.18 | puff | quittt: Yes. |
| 22:04.22 | PerfDave | quittt: DAV |
| 22:04.25 | puff | quittt: Oh, you want an *easy* way :-). |
| 22:04.27 | PerfDave | superCow007: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:04.33 | puff | quittt: From a java program? |
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| 22:04.45 | quittt | PerfDave, DAV |
| 22:04.48 | quittt | PerfDave, what is that? |
| 22:04.54 | doub | superCow007: if you have the source of the package, you can change the dependency in the control file |
| 22:05.07 | PerfDave | quittt: It lets you send files to people over HTTP :) |
| 22:05.18 | PerfDave | quittt: Or you can use CGI uploads. |
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| 22:05.22 | pureone | POST |
| 22:05.30 | d03boy | i cant seem to stop the xserver :\ |
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| 22:06.18 | quittt | PerfDave, easy of use? |
| 22:06.29 | puff | RFC 1867 http uploading (multipart/form-data). |
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| 22:06.40 | PerfDave | quittt: Never tried it, but that's what it's for. |
| 22:06.40 | superCow007 | ok.. I'll read up on equivs |
| 22:06.42 | puff | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=rfc+http+upload&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images |
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| 22:06.56 | peter___ | d03boy: *dm? |
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| 22:07.03 | d03boy | what do you mean? |
| 22:07.20 | quittt | PerfDave, is there Debian packages for it? |
| 22:07.23 | d03boy | gdm I think? |
| 22:07.27 | peter___ | d03boy: do you mean the login screen on bootup? |
| 22:07.38 | pureone | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html |
| 22:08.01 | ShadowLord | is it possible to use a install CD, but boot from a SINGLE floppy (just to get to the CD)? |
| 22:08.03 | puff | Damn, i'm short on sleep today. |
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| 22:08.22 | puff | quittt: If all you want to do is upload a file via HTTP to a cgi script that is expecting a file, I think lynx or links support that. |
| 22:08.26 | PerfDave | quittt: libapache-mod-dav |
| 22:08.43 | puff | quittt: If what you want is to *accept* a file upload, then you eihter need a custom CGI that implements rfc1867, or something like webdav. |
| 22:08.44 | superCow007 | hrmm.. rather than using equivs, how would I edit the package to change the dependency? |
| 22:08.53 | peter___ | d03boy: put something random in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 22:08.56 | puff | rfc1867 cgis are fairly easy to come by. |
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| 22:09.10 | quittt | puff, isnt a *easy* way for that? |
| 22:09.20 | PerfDave | superCow007: Read DNM, probably. |
| 22:09.24 | superCow007 | I just need to set the version number conditional from = to >=.. it is locked to a particular version a slightly newer revision is being forced in by another dependency.. |
| 22:09.25 | puff | quittt: first answer my question, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:09.34 | puff | Accept an upload, send an upload, what? |
| 22:10.07 | Varg_ | What is the kernel-tree that is downloadable from apt-get? |
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| 22:10.28 | pureone | http://uk.php.net/features.file-upload |
| 22:10.41 | superCow007 | ok |
| 22:10.43 | abrotman | pureone: hold off until you know what he's trying to do |
| 22:10.44 | quittt | puff, I want to send a file to a friend |
| 22:10.52 | abrotman | quittt: using HTTP ? |
| 22:10.52 | quittt | puff, but in MSN it is SOOOOOO SLOW |
| 22:11.05 | pureone | use ftp |
| 22:11.06 | abrotman | quittt: they make email for that :) |
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| 22:11.17 | abrotman | or ftp .. or downloads .. whatever |
| 22:11.19 | quittt | pureone, how? |
| 22:11.24 | quittt | I want a easy way |
| 22:11.29 | abrotman | quittt: email!! |
| 22:11.29 | quittt | to using apache |
| 22:11.44 | quittt | abrotman, email... |
| 22:11.52 | abrotman | quittt: use PHP .. have it mimeenc the file .. then mail it to him .. then watch as his ISP rejects it :) |
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| 22:11.55 | quittt | abrotman, I use GMAIL but my friend has hotmail |
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| 22:12.00 | abrotman | quittt: so what? |
| 22:12.06 | abrotman | quittt: send him a file .. |
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| 22:12.07 | quittt | abrotman, no space |
| 22:12.07 | pureone | send him a invite ;) |
| 22:12.13 | d03boy | sorry, im back, yes I was referring to the login screen at bootup |
| 22:12.20 | abrotman | quittt: then use one of those file services |
| 22:12.38 | Varg_ | What exactly is installed from the kernel-tree as opposed to kernel-source? |
| 22:12.46 | peter___ | d03boy: put something random in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 22:13.12 | nvz | Varg_, apt-cache show kernel-tree |
| 22:13.23 | superCow007 | what's DNM? |
| 22:13.43 | superCow007 | doub - you still there? |
| 22:13.45 | PerfDave | !nmg |
| 22:13.45 | dpkg | from memory, nmg is see dnm |
| 22:13.49 | PerfDave | !dnm |
| 22:13.49 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 22:13.53 | d03boy | peter___, what will that do? |
| 22:13.57 | Varg_ | nvz: thanks |
| 22:14.13 | superCow007 | dah, I just want to change dependency |
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| 22:14.29 | akusarujin | i reconfigured a kernel from scratch, 2.6.11-rc5, but i have one problem afterword: i am able to use it right now, but everything in general has an extremely long startup time... this kernel just seems sluggish.. anyone know something that might cause that? or if it's just a problem in this release? |
| 22:14.40 | superCow007 | tell the package to take >= to the version it is insisting on having.. |
| 22:14.42 | peter___ | the startup scripts /etc/int.d/?dm will check the contents of that file to check which window manager to start, if it doesn't match what ay are looking for nothing will start up |
| 22:14.45 | ThreeDayMonk | cafuego: can you give me a hand? In step 6 of that tutorial you showed me, under virtual_alias_maps, how do I configure that line? Both the mysql... parts separated by a space? |
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| 22:14.54 | peter___ | s/window manager/display manager/ |
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| 22:15.04 | PerfDave | superCow007: And you'll need to know how to unpack a .deb, change its meta information and rebuild it. |
| 22:15.19 | superCow007 | dah |
| 22:15.57 | quittt | PerfDave, damn... BeOS had a easy tool for that |
| 22:16.00 | quittt | PoorMan hehe |
| 22:16.03 | quittt | it was so EASYYY |
| 22:16.18 | nvz | I was thinking about taking this 486 we got here and installing debian on a floppy and booting my 120GB hd in there. but then I realized that there is no network card in it.. heh |
| 22:16.20 | PerfDave | So easy, which is why everybody uses BeOS these days ;) |
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| 22:16.22 | karsten | quittt: BeOS: the operating system for people who don't need applications. |
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| 22:16.32 | quittt | karsten, no way |
| 22:16.32 | PerfDave | nvz: NICs are hardly expensive ;) |
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| 22:16.40 | quittt | karsten, see www.bebits.com |
| 22:16.40 | doneill | $6 a piece |
| 22:16.47 | quittt | karsten, lots of apps |
| 22:16.50 | quittt | dont say shit plz |
| 22:16.54 | superCow007 | these docs aren't so bad |
| 22:16.55 | superCow007 | heh |
| 22:16.58 | fooz | yeah. linux has no apps either |
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| 22:17.09 | superCow007 | the new maintainers guide looks good |
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| 22:18.42 | bob2 | "someone" needs to write the "new maintainer's guide for slackers" |
| 22:18.46 | bob2 | which features cdbs |
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| 22:18.59 | nvz | PerfDave, I have some 6 pcs and a whole shoebox of expansion cards I left in dallas, cause I coulndt carry it all back on a bus.. its not my style to pay _any_ ammount of money for things I dont need |
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| 22:20.08 | nvz | gawd this spewing names into the chat when I tab-complete ambigously in xchat is grounds for removal and a fuck-you letter to the developers, I had better find a way to turn this off in the prefrences/settings |
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| 22:20.59 | fooz | nvz, use irssi |
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| 22:21.22 | nvz | fooz, I normally do when I am on debian, I would have to install cygwin on my mothers PC for that |
| 22:21.23 | Gathond | nvz: think you need to edit the file manually to get rid of that, then again I fought to enable that :) |
| 22:21.45 | d03boy | peace outside |
| 22:21.49 | yoo | Good night |
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| 22:21.56 | fooz | nvz, choosy moms choose cygwin |
| 22:22.08 | nvz | Gathond, I wouldnt even know where to find a config file in windows, its not like there is a /home/nvz/.xchat |
| 22:22.10 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:22.22 | Gathond | nvz: you are talking about the showing a bash like completion options thingy? |
| 22:22.26 | cafuego | Surely they're not all in here |
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| 22:23.17 | nvz | Gathond, I am talking about it poping up every name with a G on G<Tab> instead of just cycling them inline.. it takes up 40 lines of my chat screen and doesnt even bother to erase it after I complete the nick successfully |
| 22:23.32 | Gathond | nvz: there might be an c:/documents and settings/usersomethingorother/programdatafilethingybloodysomething/something thingy :) |
| 22:23.57 | nvz | Gathond, sounds confusing.. |
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| 22:24.15 | sin | where does debian keeps its ip information for boot? |
| 22:24.16 | Gathond | nvz: excatly:) i fought xchat to make it consistently behave that way instead of just taking the first and showing that :) |
| 22:24.19 | paulswm | Only with the slashes the other way round |
| 22:24.36 | holo | sin: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:25.04 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi |
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| 22:25.11 | Gathond | nvz: actually what pissed me of the most is that its default baheviour is inconsistent, it does the irssi inline thingy if there is less than 5 matches and the bash thing otherwise ... which confused me alot |
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| 22:25.27 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need info about md5 from all packages instaled in my bin and sbin |
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| 22:25.35 | Aragorn_Guardian | where can i get this info? |
| 22:25.46 | nvz | Gathond, yeah I think I might use something terrible like gaim or mIRC until I get my debian installation back into a PC |
| 22:25.52 | Aragorn_Guardian | i hav a woody |
| 22:25.55 | bob2 | Aragorn_Guardian: if you think you've been rooted, you have to reinstall |
| 22:26.07 | Aragorn_Guardian | 8( |
| 22:26.12 | petemc | Aragorn_Guardian: debsums |
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| 22:26.17 | Aragorn_Guardian | no md5 info? |
| 22:26.20 | Aragorn_Guardian | hum...good |
| 22:26.21 | Python | hi |
| 22:26.21 | nvz | Gathond, I figured out a long time ago I hated Xchat, its just when I googled for an IRC client for windows it was the only one I seen that didnt seem like it would have spyware. |
| 22:26.23 | bob2 | eh? |
| 22:26.35 | valdyn | Aragorn_Guardian: md5 can be broken too ), its only to verify downloads |
| 22:26.37 | Python | can someone tell me how to burn a cd through command line |
| 22:26.39 | Aragorn_Guardian | where i get this? i am a slack user. 8) |
| 22:26.44 | bob2 | Aragorn_Guardian: think about it. if you run 'md5sum' on your machine, how do you know it's giving you correct info? |
| 22:26.54 | Aragorn_Guardian | valdyn: good...is true... |
| 22:26.56 | bob2 | Aragorn_Guardian: also, it's possible for someone to make a trojaned binary give the correct md5sum |
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| 22:27.10 | Aragorn_Guardian | anyone know about r0nin? |
| 22:27.20 | Aragorn_Guardian | i got this in awstats bug |
| 22:27.45 | Python | is there any command line cd burning software for debian |
| 22:28.07 | paulswm | Python: cdrecord |
| 22:28.21 | valdyn | Python: Python various, apt-get install cdrtools |
| 22:28.24 | nvz | I just got done removing a ton of spyware from my mothers pc.. everytime she would type something in the web, it was being sent to some 15 or more companies |
| 22:28.48 | grivell | Anyone know if the iPod Shuffle works under Linux? |
| 22:28.49 | valdyn | Python: Python various, apt-get install cdrecord ( oops ) |
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| 22:29.25 | Aragorn_Guardian | petemc: thanks about debsums... 8) is a good place |
| 22:29.39 | Python | i am looking at the man file is there a way to burn iso's with cdrecord |
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| 22:29.45 | Aragorn_Guardian | bob2: thanks too |
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| 22:30.31 | valdyn | Python: cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 22:30.51 | Python | ok i will try that thanks |
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| 22:34.51 | zno | I think I installed grub by mistake, if I do apt-get install lilo, will it automatically replace grub and I can reboot fine? |
| 22:35.32 | valdyn | zno: wont remove grub, will ask to write the mbr ( grub and lilo _packages_ dont conflict last i checked ) |
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| 22:35.43 | zno | thanks |
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| 22:36.42 | valdyn | zno: you must have had a boot manager before you installed grub? |
| 22:36.45 | belus | krax: eres un cagaluta |
| 22:37.00 | krax | jare moolll?? |
| 22:37.01 | brynjarh | If I'm running the X Window System and I upgrade X to the latest version, I wont be running the latest version of X untill I restart it will I?? |
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| 22:37.12 | zno | valdyn: I think I chose grub to be the default manager when I installed debian from cd |
| 22:37.12 | valdyn | brynjarh: correct |
| 22:37.48 | valdyn | zno: why not stick to grub then? |
| 22:37.49 | brynjarh | valdyn, okay then. :) |
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| 22:38.01 | valdyn | zno: nothing against lilo, but it seems risky no matter what to switch boot loader |
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| 22:38.29 | vladster | what is the command to make a grub boot floppy? |
| 22:38.33 | dli | which daemon to provide local dns? like 172.16.0.1 -> node001 |
| 22:38.46 | cafuego | vladster: grub-install /dev/fd0 |
| 22:38.50 | Aragorn_Guardian | j #gaim |
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| 22:38.54 | vladster | tnx |
| 22:38.55 | Aragorn_Guardian | ops...sorry |
| 22:38.56 | bob2 | dli: bind9. |
| 22:39.01 | dli | bob2: thanks |
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| 22:40.12 | Gnurdux | why does anyone use woody? |
| 22:40.21 | dli | bob2: what about named? |
| 22:40.23 | paulswm | Secure server |
| 22:40.23 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: security/stability |
| 22:40.28 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:40.30 | bob2 | Gnurdux: because it's supported and stable |
| 22:40.32 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: say you have 100+ machines to administer |
| 22:40.33 | HobNob | hey guys, when i do lspci -v i have two modules for my nic, both with the same IRQ, how can i remove one? |
| 22:40.35 | valdyn | Gnurdux: extremely well documented bugs |
| 22:40.39 | Gnurdux | it is so old |
| 22:40.39 | bob2 | dli: named sounds like a name for bind |
| 22:40.42 | tarzeau | bob2: it's supported? |
| 22:40.46 | tarzeau | bob2: oh well... |
| 22:40.47 | Gnurdux | Sarge is great |
| 22:40.50 | bob2 | HobNob: lspci doesn't say anything about modules |
| 22:40.56 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: sid is excellent |
| 22:41.01 | HobNob | erm sorry two pci devices with the same irq |
| 22:41.03 | Gnurdux | never used it |
| 22:41.03 | HobNob | not modules |
| 22:41.06 | Gnurdux | debian says that |
| 22:41.16 | Gnurdux | sid has problems with dependencies |
| 22:41.21 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: who? |
| 22:41.22 | Gnurdux | unfulfilled deps |
| 22:41.25 | HobNob | is there a way i can disable one? |
| 22:41.25 | bob2 | no, debian does not say that |
| 22:41.25 | tarzeau | debian: you say that? |
| 22:41.28 | Gnurdux | the webiste |
| 22:41.30 | bob2 | it says it might break |
| 22:41.30 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: and sarge not? |
| 22:41.32 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: crap |
| 22:41.36 | Gnurdux | yeh |
| 22:41.38 | YamahaRx800 | is there a word counter in open office? |
| 22:41.40 | YamahaRx800 | ? |
| 22:41.44 | Gnurdux | well, i have had problems with sarge installation |
| 22:41.46 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: works perfect here (but then i don't use gnome or kde meta packages) |
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| 22:42.02 | Gnurdux | once, the netinstall didnt install half the stuff it was supposed too |
| 22:42.10 | tarzeau | YamahaRx800: file, document properties? maybe |
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| 22:42.13 | Gnurdux | it installed gnome-games but not gnome |
| 22:42.24 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: but that's a problem of gnome. not debian or sid |
| 22:42.25 | bob2 | Gnurdux: that's not a problem with the installer |
| 22:42.35 | JoeSchmoe | If I want to see Japanese/Chinese etc. characters on Debian in Mozilla, IRC and whatnot, how do I do that? |
| 22:42.43 | Gnurdux | ive installed sarge two other times |
| 22:42.46 | Gnurdux | and ti installed fine |
| 22:42.58 | Gnurdux | i think they were upgrading the server |
| 22:43.22 | tarzeau | JoeSchmoe: get the fonts for it |
| 22:43.35 | tarzeau | JoeSchmoe: you're jap/cn? |
| 22:43.37 | YamahaRx800 | ok thanks |
| 22:43.54 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: maybe your mirror is not official? |
| 22:44.00 | Gnurdux | yeah it is |
| 22:44.01 | JoeSchmoe | tarzeau: No, I just want to read Japanese web sites |
| 22:44.02 | Gnurdux | Progeny |
| 22:44.12 | Gnurdux | they mirror debian as well as progeny debian |
| 22:44.18 | Gnurdux | and they are REALLY fast |
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| 22:44.29 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: what is the mirror fqdn? |
| 22:44.34 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: progeny.what.what.com ? |
| 22:44.36 | Gnurdux | i donno |
| 22:44.41 | Gnurdux | ftp.progeny.org |
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| 22:44.47 | Gnurdux | .com |
| 22:44.48 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: that is NOT official debian stuff |
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| 22:44.52 | Gnurdux | ftp.progeny.com |
| 22:44.58 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: official debian stuff is alwasy stuff.debian.org |
| 22:45.13 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: unofficial stuff is known to break your fine debian |
| 22:45.15 | greg_work | any idea why i would get this? #mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 mdadm: hot add failed for /dev/hda1: Invalid argument .. its of type fd, should have no problems |
| 22:45.29 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: no way you can blame sid for that! |
| 22:45.32 | vladster | /dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. <== I get this error when I try? |
| 22:45.34 | Gnurdux | that was sarge |
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| 22:45.37 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: whatever |
| 22:45.41 | Gnurdux | and ti isnt unofficial |
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| 22:45.57 | valdyn | greg_work: dont you need to add disks to a raid instead of partitions? |
| 22:46.00 | Python | for some reason i typed in cdrecord dev=/dev/hda <my-iso> and it didnt work |
| 22:46.10 | greg_work | valdyn: no, it uses partitions |
| 22:46.17 | Python | it told me that /dev/hda is a read only file system |
| 22:46.18 | Gnurdux | Progeny is a company |
| 22:46.27 | gary | Hey guys, i installed a 2.6 kernel and now, when i startx my mouse doesn't work, well i can not control it. I can't seem to get it to work either. mousedev is loaded and working, and i've tried using /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice, but niether work. Can anybody please help me? |
| 22:46.30 | Gnurdux | that makes a debian based distro called progeny Debian |
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| 22:46.39 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: so what? |
| 22:46.41 | valdyn | Python: you sure that /dev/hda is not a harddisk? |
| 22:46.42 | Python | i know hda is correct becoulse that is what k3b is using |
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| 22:47.08 | Gnurdux | they have woody and sarge and sid |
| 22:47.09 | cafuego | Is there a trick for sending ctrl-alt-del in a VNC session? |
| 22:47.20 | greg_work | i actually had it in the array, but i was getting errors (on /dev/hdb, i think) and it was continously resyncing .. so i did mdadm --fail on it, then shutdown -F to fsck the disk, and now i can't add it |
| 22:47.20 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: that's old news... |
| 22:47.21 | Gnurdux | are they gonna put GNOME 2.10 in Sarge when it comes out? |
| 22:47.23 | HobNob | hmm if i have two NIC's how can i fix an irq conflict? |
| 22:47.30 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: who cares? it's not debian |
| 22:47.34 | khanman | cafuego: f8 |
| 22:47.38 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: you want to talk about it in #progeny |
| 22:47.41 | Gnurdux | no |
| 22:47.42 | cafuego | khanman: Nee, thanks. |
| 22:47.46 | Gnurdux | im not USING progeny |
| 22:47.46 | cafuego | Neet even |
| 22:47.54 | khanman | nps |
| 22:47.56 | Gnurdux | progeny website has a mirror for dbeian |
| 22:48.02 | Gnurdux | ftp.progeny.org |
| 22:48.12 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: but only mirrors that have debian.org in the name are official |
| 22:48.13 | Gnurdux | has both progeny AND debian apt repositories |
| 22:48.17 | Gnurdux | and i use hte debian one |
| 22:48.19 | bob2 | that's nice |
| 22:48.19 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: ualot of websites have mirror for debian |
| 22:48.22 | bob2 | but off topic |
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| 22:48.31 | Gnurdux | and in the mirror selections screen it was #2 |
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| 22:48.35 | Gnurdux | after ftp.debian.org |
| 22:48.42 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: that doesn't make it official |
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| 22:48.49 | Gnurdux | or maybe ftp.debian.org wasnt first |
| 22:48.55 | Gnurdux | debian lists it |
| 22:48.57 | soth` | is it possible to get apache2 running on debian stable? |
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| 22:48.57 | Gnurdux | oh whateevr |
| 22:48.58 | Gnurdux | bue |
| 22:49.03 | Gnurdux | run testing |
| 22:49.10 | Gnurdux | testing runs great |
| 22:49.11 | bob2 | soth`: www.backports.org |
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| 22:49.20 | gary | When i startx, i also get the warning message: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: error: can't find "pc/xfree86" for symbols include. Any ideas? |
| 22:49.26 | bob2 | what a pointless person |
| 22:49.38 | bob2 | gary: make sure you have x-window-system-core installed |
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| 22:50.11 | gary | bob2: yes i do. I'm having mouse problems, but i also get that keyboard error too. |
| 22:50.24 | gary | bob2: This was fine in 2.4 but in kernel 2.6 it now doesn't work |
| 22:50.27 | Bizarro_paco | does it matter which order to install gnome or x-server-system? does it matter which one i install first? |
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| 22:50.57 | valdyn | Bizarro_paco: no, and you probably mean "x-window-system" |
| 22:50.57 | bob2 | Bizarro_paco: no |
| 22:51.18 | paulswm | Bizarro_paco: the beauty of the apt system is that it will look after dependencies for you |
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| 22:52.50 | Bizarro_paco | thanx |
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| 22:53.17 | lqgusso | hello folks |
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| 22:54.34 | darkgamer20 | hey everyone |
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| 22:55.05 | abrotman | !hi everyone |
| 22:55.08 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai everyone! |
| 22:55.44 | lqgusso | hello again abrotman |
| 22:55.46 | riv | hi all! |
| 22:55.46 | darkgamer20 | i got a little snag here, I mounted my windows partition in debian sarge and I can't switch to Program Files directory in windows? |
| 22:56.05 | darkgamer20 | so how do i do that? |
| 22:56.06 | riv | could anyone with some nasty compiler errors? http://rafb.net/paste/results/xkr0fI88.html |
| 22:56.26 | abrotman | darkgamer20: cd "Program Files" |
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| 22:56.36 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
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| 22:57.17 | darkgamer20 | abrotman: thanks i didn't know about the quotes |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | darkgamer20: \ works too |
| 22:57.25 | lqgusso | hello dpkg |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | as in Program\ Files |
| 22:57.48 | paulswm | darkgamer20: you can also use backslash, like: cd Program\ Files |
| 22:57.57 | darkgamer20 | oh thanks for the tips you guys |
| 22:57.58 | abrotman | win me! |
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| 22:58.02 | jbrand | interesting - http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 |
| 22:58.07 | darkgamer20 | learning something everyday |
| 22:58.12 | darkgamer20 | see yall |
| 22:58.20 | paulswm | :kill abrotman |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | !eat paulswm |
| 22:58.39 | paulswm | !kill abrotman |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | jbrand: that fucking sucks |
| 22:59.02 | sdogi | arghh |
| 22:59.06 | abrotman | god fucking damn it .. |
| 22:59.10 | sussudio | !eat muffins |
| 22:59.13 | sdogi | abrotman nooo, i only knew you for some days !!! |
| 22:59.14 | abrotman | why can't they just stop fucking with the god damned kernel |
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| 22:59.25 | sdogi | abrotman: what kernel |
| 22:59.32 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where the proper place is to change my hostname |
| 22:59.33 | abrotman | !punish linus for fucking with kernel numbering |
| 22:59.46 | swatikiss | is there a way to ignore depencies when apt-get installing ? |
| 22:59.59 | caphuso | abrotman: like making the kernel hackers develop open solaris instead? |
| 23:00.02 | abrotman | swatikiss: man dpkg |
| 23:00.10 | sussudio | Gumby: yes |
| 23:00.10 | abrotman | caphuso: like .. fucking a development kernel |
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| 23:00.12 | stew | swatikiss: why do you want to? |
| 23:00.15 | abrotman | gah .. bastards |
| 23:00.20 | sdogi | Gumby: /etc/HOSTNAME |
| 23:00.23 | abrotman | like idiots weren't confused enough .. fucking christ |
| 23:00.27 | caphuso | abrotman: we've got one, it's called 2.6.x |
| 23:00.37 | swatikiss | stew, well, i have jre installed - but apt-get says i dont.... |
| 23:00.47 | stew | swatikiss: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:00.48 | sdogi | lol, what did linux do with kernel |
| 23:00.50 | abrotman | caphuso: did oyu read that link ? |
| 23:00.52 | stew | swatikiss: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 23:00.53 | sdogi | st linus do with kernel |
| 23:00.53 | abrotman | http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 |
| 23:00.58 | sdogi | checking |
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| 23:01.01 | caphuso | abrotman: nope, i read the initial post on lkml instead |
| 23:01.09 | abrotman | caphuso: you're such a geek :) |
| 23:01.13 | caphuso | sounds quite sensible to me |
| 23:01.26 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 23:01.29 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 23:01.29 | dpkg | buckabeer is, like, time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
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| 23:01.55 | caphuso | the old scheme was pretty enforced upon a development model not really fitting in that scheme |
| 23:02.20 | caphuso | (at least since 2.4.0) |
| 23:02.25 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | i'm sure it will hit slashdot and cause a riot .. |
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| 23:02.40 | sdogi | how many people here like very complicated stuff and are friggin stubborn and must solve them? :) |
| 23:02.47 | caphuso | abrotman: that's true for almost anything |
| 23:03.09 | sdogi | paulswm: auch |
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| 23:04.36 | superCow007 | hrmm.. some might consider that an nhealthy obsession sdogi.. |
| 23:04.52 | paulswm | If yoy create a partition for use as a Windows boot in 2.6, Windows probably won't boot because 2.6 reports incompatible disk geometry, which will probably hang the Windows boot loader |
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| 23:05.38 | paulswm | That was a pisser to find |
| 23:05.39 | sdogi | superCow007: yeah i guess it is, just wondering... well it doesn't have to be that complicated, but i mean how many people feel challenged |
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| 23:06.57 | paulswm | All along I thought it was XP screwing up, but noooo, it was the Linux kernel |
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| 23:07.06 | sdogi | hell, it isn't so bad idea what linus has proposed actually |
| 23:07.14 | cafuego | paulswm: How can linux screw up when you run XP? |
| 23:07.32 | paulswm | cafuego: by creating screwed up partitions |
| 23:07.49 | vladster | if it tries to install the drive you loinux boot is on? |
| 23:07.51 | cafuego | paulswm: But the kernel doesn't create partitions. |
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| 23:08.24 | sdogi | actually linus has a pretty good idea |
| 23:08.32 | extropy | hi all, i mistakenly installed some packages which i want to remove... they are sitting in the todo list of apt with unmet dependencies. anyone know what the command to remove them is? (i also have older version of the packages which I want to keep so i can't just apt-get remove them) |
| 23:08.39 | vladster | maybe XP tries to auto allocate new or unfamiliar disk space |
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| 23:09.26 | vladster | it would not surprize me in the least |
| 23:09.48 | travisat | extropy: dpkg -r -a |
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| 23:10.00 | Mithsir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:11.17 | asplodzor | Hey, I read about a new type of vnc a while ago that somehow allowed you to use aplications running on the local and remote systems side-by-side |
| 23:11.18 | valdyn | lsmod |
| 23:11.23 | valdyn | ops |
| 23:11.26 | asplodzor | anyone have any idea what that was? |
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| 23:12.26 | paulswm | cafuego: The kernel reports disk geometry. I created a partition using cfdisk and 240 heads, which is what the BIOS (an old box) wants. cfdisk was happy to do it, but, when it came to writing the partition table, the 2.6 kernel uses the extended int13 instead of the legacy int13 and writes 255 heads into the table instead of 240 heads. |
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| 23:12.40 | jbAU | asplodzor nope haven't heard of anything like that, but if you find it let me know! |
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| 23:13.07 | Mithsir | can anyone help? |
| 23:13.21 | paulswm | And it's been know for months but nobody seems to give a crap |
| 23:13.28 | quittt | one of these days I am going to cut you into little pieces |
| 23:13.28 | valdyn | Mithsir: gnome-volume-manager can do that |
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| 23:14.09 | Mithsir | hmm, thanks. is there a kde equivalent? i don't relly use gnome. |
| 23:15.07 | paulswm | The attitude of Linux people towards Windows sometimes seem sto be as as superior and dismissive as that of WIndows people towards Linux, and I must say that I find that very disappointing |
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| 23:15.47 | raf256 | Mithsir: most gnome-apps run in other WM |
| 23:15.54 | raf256 | like, I run gnome-terminal in KDE |
| 23:15.57 | karsten | paulswm: Well, we both make up with it in our attitudes toward Mac OS, BeOS, and VMS. |
| 23:16.08 | raf256 | it calls gnome-libraries AFAIK, but it can run in other managers |
| 23:16.11 | jCesaro | linux is superior |
| 23:16.17 | cafuego | quittt: get your filthy hands off my desert |
| 23:16.31 | Thanatermesis | any person is posible to send me the image of memtest ? |
| 23:16.32 | jCesaro | its free ;) |
| 23:16.37 | quittt | cafuego, hehehe =P |
| 23:16.39 | helix | cafuego: you have your own desert? |
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| 23:17.29 | cafuego | kids these days... |
| 23:17.30 | helix | I don't know what to do with that much sand |
| 23:17.47 | karsten | helix: ...it's a tad crumbly and sand-strewn, but it's a nice little hell-on-earth. |
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| 23:17.49 | Mithsir | raf256, but gnome-volume-manager sounds so "low level", will probably want nautilus running, won't it? |
| 23:18.04 | raf256 | donno... try it :) |
| 23:18.10 | cafuego | http://www.google.com/search?q=get+your+filthy+hands+off+my+desert |
| 23:18.20 | valdyn | Mithsir: i wouldnt use it in kde, but it might work - no idea |
| 23:18.36 | infodroid | !chocolate |
| 23:18.36 | dpkg | methinks chocolate is the food of the gods |
| 23:18.46 | lqgusso | anyone knows where can i learn shell script? |
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| 23:19.12 | madthinker | anyone here familiar with offlineimap? |
| 23:19.17 | mrhemlock | lqgusso, start with the FAQ |
| 23:19.24 | Mithsir | ok. are there alternatives? |
| 23:19.27 | jCesaro | paulswm: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804 ;) |
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| 23:19.37 | jCesaro | favorite link for that kind of newbs |
| 23:20.17 | lqgusso | where i see it mrhemlock? |
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| 23:20.58 | mrhemlock | /usr/share/doc/bash/FAQ |
| 23:21.30 | paulswm | karsten: actually, I've been thinking about running VMS and DOS/360 emulators :) |
| 23:21.55 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 23:22.17 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 23:22.27 | jCesaro | huh |
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| 23:22.50 | Mithsir | dpkg, yeah, thats the way I'm doing it now, and all windows users laugh at me :-( |
| 23:22.56 | jCesaro | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804 check it out paulswm |
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| 23:23.32 | jCesaro | Mithsir: start from 0 dont care about others |
| 23:23.46 | paulswm | jCesaro: So? |
| 23:24.01 | Mithsir | hmm, that doesn't sound cool... |
| 23:24.15 | jCesaro | follow the instructions :) |
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| 23:25.26 | infodroid | jCesaro: that link is pretty freaky |
| 23:25.35 | paulswm | karsten: I will try out the VMS emulator, because I had some years of real fun with VMS, FMS and FORTRAN :) |
| 23:25.39 | jCesaro | hahahaha |
| 23:25.46 | valdyn | Mithsir: write a hotplug script ( don't ask me how, man hotplug ) |
| 23:26.04 | karsten | paulswm: FMS? |
| 23:26.09 | valdyn | Mithsir: and that still doesn't free you from unmounting i think |
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| 23:26.58 | Mithsir | hmm, i see. maybe I will try gnome then :-) |
| 23:27.09 | jCesaro | l0l |
| 23:27.25 | paulswm | jCesaro: predating the MS link to posted: http://www.tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/July1999/article101.html |
| 23:27.34 | ThreeDayMonk | I have a problem - the courier startup script isn't starting authdaemond.mysql any ideas? |
| 23:27.36 | paulswm | s/to/you/ |
| 23:28.21 | jCesaro | |*_*| |
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| 23:29.59 | paulswm | karsten: FMS is Forms Management System, which was a tool for designing and displaying screens with input and output variables on the Vax |
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| 23:31.00 | karsten | paulswm: Ah... |
| 23:31.11 | karsten | paulswm: ...HTML ~1984, eh? |
| 23:31.44 | paulswm | jCesaro: this is a funnier one, though, a spoofed verion of the MS one: http://www.hinterlands.f9.co.uk/removewin.html |
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| 23:33.42 | paulswm | karsten: Yes, I suppose you could say 25 year old php, as you could also hang subroutines off the form's display/input variables |
| 23:34.01 | paulswm | It was pretty good for its time |
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| 23:36.06 | paulswm | karsten: While we are in that era, if you have never read it, I heartily recommend Tracy Kidder's book "The Sould of a New Machine": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316491977/104-0240772-1616743 |
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| 23:36.16 | paulswm | Soul |
| 23:36.22 | april | waz up room |
| 23:36.38 | april | waz paulswm |
| 23:37.17 | lqgusso | mrhelmlock i did not find |
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| 23:42.18 | karsten | paulswm: Not familiar with it... |
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| 23:43.13 | paulswm | karsten: It is excellent, he followed them through all the work, so it's a first hand account. |
| 23:43.44 | Farris1 | I've got a tar.gz file that I gunzipped and then tar xvzf'd. It extracted the entire directory structure, all the files/dirs. But the files themselves are corrupt some how. Any idea how I might figure out what happened? |
| 23:43.45 | karsten | paulswm: Um. Followed whom? |
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| 23:44.02 | karsten | Farris1: Howso corrupt? |
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| 23:44.25 | karsten | Farris1: ...and 'tar xzvf <archive>' will extract it in one swell foop. |
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| 23:44.50 | travisat | swell foop? |
| 23:45.28 | deadline | hi, i just installed gcc 3.4 by apt-get install. how can i now configure gcc to use the new version by default instead of 3.3. gcc --version gives me 3.3, not the new one. how can i fix that? |
| 23:45.36 | bob2 | deadline: don't |
| 23:45.39 | bob2 | deadline: just use gcc-3.4 |
| 23:45.48 | Farris1 | karsten: What I know should be readable text is nothing but ascii garbage, and what I know should be working PDFs won't open in AcroRead |
| 23:45.50 | holo | "swell foop", to concepts i a row that i don't know :s |
| 23:45.58 | karsten | travisat: One step. "swell foop" => "fell swoop". |
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| 23:46.25 | paulswm | karsten: Oh, thought you'd followed the link. Followed a team as Data General as they designed and built a 32 bit minicomputer in less than a year. A quote from the book, about learning assembly language: "I could talk to God, just like IBM." |
| 23:46.25 | deadline | bob2: bob2, but when building apps from source, then the default compiler will be used right? so not the new one. |
| 23:46.27 | karsten | Farris1: Hrm. Multiple directories or a flat structure? |
| 23:46.33 | Farris1 | multiple dirs |
| 23:46.50 | karsten | paulswm: Ah. I've followed the link but haven't got there yet (reading other stuff). |
| 23:47.00 | bob2 | deadline: so make them use gcc 3.4 |
| 23:47.05 | travisat | deadline: 3.4 isn't stable enough to use unless you have good reasons |
| 23:47.07 | bob2 | deadline: ./configure CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=gcc-3.4 |
| 23:47.20 | bob2 | deadline: changing the default is bad, because 3.4 changes the C++ ABI |
| 23:47.22 | paulswm | karsten: Well I don't mean to push it down your throat but it is a very good read. |
| 23:47.44 | karsten | Farris1: Anyhow, 'file <filelist>' should tell you what kind of files you've got. It's possible there's issues. |
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| 23:48.08 | Farris1 | I have a sneaking suspicion the guy having the problem with this file had it emailed to him. It's possible postfix didn't encode it properly |
| 23:48.11 | karsten | Farris1: Otherwise, you'll want to go back to the source. Could be several things. FTPing with wrong settings can do bad things. |
| 23:48.21 | bob2 | postfix doesn't encode anything, ever |
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| 23:48.31 | deadline | bob2: ok. i have another problem also. upgraded to kernel 2.6.8-2 from 2.6.8-1. xmms keeps crashing after that, even after reinstalling xmms. get some errors that several libmodules are not found. any idea? |
| 23:48.31 | karsten | Farris1: Generally, the closer you can get to the source the better. |
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| 23:48.48 | bob2 | deadline: let me guess, you use the binary-only nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:49.09 | TheLittleWitch | http://tryll.net/erik/hjemmenett.png I have a pc on 172.16.1.23 and i can ping 192.168.2.10 but i can't ping 192.168.2.9 Why ? |
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| 23:49.42 | travisat | TheLittleWitch: it isn't there? |
| 23:49.58 | TheLittleWitch | its there i can ping it from the router |
| 23:50.09 | Jacco | no ideeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa. |
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| 23:50.13 | deadline | bob2: i don't know if they are binary only. i use nvidia indeed, installed the drivers by executing a shell script from the nvidia page |
| 23:50.24 | bob2 | deadline: there you go |
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| 23:50.29 | bob2 | deadline: install libmikmod3 |
| 23:50.47 | deadline | bob2: are there bad things in such a nvidia method? |
| 23:50.55 | TheLittleWitch | if i use tcpdump i see ping req and answer on the interface to the 192.168.2.0 net but they are not routed to the interface that goes to 172.168.1.0 net :/ |
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| 23:50.57 | Jacco | pants? |
| 23:50.58 | bob2 | deadline: the nvidia driver is buggy |
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| 23:51.09 | bob2 | deadline: no one but them can fix it, and they have so far failed to do so |
| 23:51.11 | khorne | Is this where I need to be to get help with getting my neew Debian Linux system working properly? |
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| 23:51.27 | deadline | bob2: can i apt-get some package which contains libmikmod3 |
| 23:51.40 | bob2 | deadline: er, the name of the package is libmikmod3 |
| 23:51.46 | bob2 | or 2 if you're on woody, iirc |
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| 23:52.50 | blue_ | Bah, adidaS is sending Free Porno Videos |
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| 23:53.18 | deadline | bob2: there is no package called libmikmod3 |
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| 23:53.36 | blue_ | thanks :) |
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| 23:53.40 | khorne | Can anyone help me to get my external hard drive working? |
| 23:54.17 | bob2 | libmikmod2 - A portable sound library |
| 23:54.20 | bob2 | deadline: ^ |
| 23:54.20 | khorne | I just installed Debian on a laptop and I need the external for storage. Currently it's not being recognized at all. |
| 23:54.31 | infodroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.39 | deadline | bob2: i did number 3 |
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| 23:54.45 | bob2 | deadline: awesome |
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| 23:54.54 | bob2 | blah |
| 23:54.59 | bob2 | if you want magic, don't use debian |
| 23:55.02 | bob2 | or learn how to configure it |
| 23:55.07 | karsten | khorne: What kind of drive? |
| 23:55.09 | deadline | bob2: installing atm |
| 23:55.28 | khorne | 80 gig maxtor |
| 23:55.29 | karsten | khorne: What interface? |
| 23:55.36 | idimmu | i think he means, usb, firewire? etc |
| 23:55.40 | karsten | khorne: USB, ATA, Firewiare? |
| 23:55.44 | khorne | USB. |
| 23:56.01 | idimmu | usb mass storage device fun? |
| 23:56.04 | karsten | khorne: Plugged in currently? |
| 23:56.22 | karsten | khorne: modprobe usb_storage. Should load most of your modules, otherwise I've got a l ist... |
| 23:56.32 | dpkg | There are some Magic Questions that will unravel any problem. #1 is WAYTTD. #2 is WDYC. Ask me about those. |
| 23:56.32 | khorne | Yup. I haven't touched it since I ridded myself of the plague that is Windows, and it worked fine there. |
| 23:56.36 | deadline | bob2: libvorbis.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:57.00 | bob2 | deadline: riiiight |
| 23:57.14 | bob2 | deadline: you are using Debian, right? and the Debian xmms package? |
| 23:57.19 | karsten | khorne: OK. 'modprobe' loads modules. Usually works out deps. You need 'usb_storage'. Command is: modprobe usb_storage |
| 23:57.20 | gusto | :) |
| 23:57.21 | deadline | bob2: yes |
| 23:57.27 | karsten | khorne: Please run that, report any response/errors. |
| 23:57.41 | khorne | Thanks, I'll try it now. |
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| 23:58.40 | khorne | karsten: Can't locate module usb_storage |
| 23:58.49 | karsten | khorne: 'uname -r' |
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| 23:59.19 | khorne | I got some numbers from that command. |
| 23:59.56 | karsten | khorne: I hope so. |
| 23:59.56 | karsten | khorne: Care to share? |
| 23:59.56 | karsten | khorne: 'man uname' for your own info. |
| 23:59.56 | khorne | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 23:59.56 | deadline | bob2: any suggestions? |
