| 00:00.11 | Toy_aburrido | cafuego so u mean is the easiest? |
| 00:00.14 | javi | hi people, I have a question for you ... How should I use 'find' command into a 'for' when 'find' command return file paths with space characters? |
| 00:00.17 | jim | zetho: it also starts bind for you, and arranges for it to be started on boot |
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| 00:00.32 | FieldySnuts | Luas: that's a good question. frankly i'd rename the windows directory with an underscore or something, because I have no idea how to get around that otherwise |
| 00:00.39 | resiak | Luas: '' it? |
| 00:00.46 | jim | unless you want to, you don't have to configure anything about bind |
| 00:00.59 | javi | do you know about how can 'find' manage this filename type ? |
| 00:01.14 | Luas | resiak: No, quoting it doesn't help |
| 00:01.15 | zetho | jim please, i know how debian works really :P.. i only dont have a clue about postfix and Named.. so you claim that default installation will work for me fine ? |
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| 00:01.28 | resiak | Luas: Then listen to FieldySnuts :) |
| 00:02.15 | Lee__ | is there any other difference when booting a system from an XFS partition than updating /etc/fstab with a partition type of XFS? |
| 00:02.16 | FieldySnuts | I rule! |
| 00:02.19 | Luas | FieldySnuts: I have renamed it also :) but it is not the best solution. |
| 00:02.31 | jim | postfix will use the resolver to get names... if you have a named on the same box, all you have to do is put nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:02.53 | FieldySnuts | Luas: yeah it's kind of a collision of worlds, windows world has no probs with spaces, *nix world does in some places |
| 00:02.57 | jim | then EVERYTHING on that box will use the bind |
| 00:03.00 | FieldySnuts | gotta compromoise somewhere there |
| 00:03.04 | zetho | thank you jim.. this is some light in a tunnel :) really thanx :) |
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| 00:04.26 | Luas | FieldySnuts: I think it is a problem of that dirty config-file design of fstab, it understands every whitespace as field separator, without even trying to think if it is escaped or not |
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| 00:04.34 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 00:04.55 | FieldySnuts | nobody had spaces in names at all till win came along, fstab's been that way for a real real long time |
| 00:04.59 | Lee__ | I wasn't following but are you talking about including spaces for a Windows partition in /etc/fstab? |
| 00:05.23 | Luas | FieldySnuts: normally every filename can be used under linux, even with whitespace: the mount command-line had no problem mounting it |
| 00:05.34 | resiak | Lee__: Well, if your /boot is on an XFS partition then Grub (if you use it) needs support for XFS, and in any case your kernel either needs XFS built in or as a module in the initrd. |
| 00:05.44 | FieldySnuts | yeah i'm aware, it's just annoying |
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| 00:06.13 | Lee__ | resiak: I have XFS support in the kernel, but I'm not aware of how to verify if it's supported in grub. would you know? |
| 00:06.55 | Lee__ | or would it just be simpler to format /boot as ext3 and everything else as XFS? |
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| 00:07.20 | drac | Lee__: I'm not sure at all, but when you look at dpkg -L grub, you'll see /lib/grub/i386-pc/xfs_stage1_5 |
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| 00:07.42 | drac | Lee__: I believe Stage1_5 is "for booting" |
| 00:07.51 | resiak | Lee__: That would be _much_ easier, and is what one of my boxen does. |
| 00:07.53 | FieldySnuts | i keep /boot ext3, rest reiserfs3.6 , mainly because i heard about issues with grub and reiserfs, but i don't even know if that's true |
| 00:08.26 | doneill | i have one partition. |
| 00:08.29 | Lee__ | keeping a 30 meg /boot as ext3 is no big deal. I'll just stick with that. |
| 00:08.31 | doneill | it's ext3 :D |
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| 00:08.45 | jim | FieldySnuts: it apparantly is true: |
| 00:08.46 | doneill | and, swapd. |
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| 00:09.13 | jim | when I did a fresh sarge install, the grub install widget kept warning me |
| 00:09.21 | Lee__ | doneill: XFS is for dealing with large files quickly. I'm building a DAW. |
| 00:09.33 | FieldySnuts | hm ok |
| 00:09.35 | alus | Lee__: really? |
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| 00:09.42 | Lee__ | alus: yes, really. |
| 00:09.46 | alus | Lee__: is this an open project, looking for devs? |
| 00:09.49 | Flimzy | Is it possible to encode using VBR with ffmpeg? |
| 00:09.59 | jim | Lee__: what are you using for the recorder? |
| 00:10.04 | Lee__ | alus: no it's a hardware project. All the software is already in Sarge. |
| 00:10.10 | Lee__ | jim: Ardour. |
| 00:10.28 | jim | I hjave that on this box |
| 00:10.36 | doneill | what's a daw? |
| 00:10.43 | Lee__ | Digital Audio Workstation |
| 00:10.54 | jim | digital audio work *%^% you're too fast! |
| 00:10.55 | doneill | cool |
| 00:11.02 | Lee__ | fancy name for hard disk recorder :) |
| 00:11.03 | alus | ah, Ardour |
| 00:11.08 | alus | the protools clone |
| 00:11.09 | doneill | yeah, i had a PVR |
| 00:11.19 | doneill | i think the concept is similar, just, a PVR is stupider. |
| 00:11.38 | Lee__ | and isn't designed for recording 8 channels of audio at once :) |
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| 00:12.07 | doneill | well, it plays 2, and a video channel.. |
| 00:12.07 | alansp | anybody know how to add a network card in debian? I'm a newbie |
| 00:12.17 | thenuke | argh, does someone know where gdesklets store info about what desklets it starts on startup? |
| 00:12.19 | Lee__ | alansp: besides plug it in? |
| 00:12.23 | doneill | alansp, you plug it into the motherboard |
| 00:12.31 | doneill | make sure the computer is off. |
| 00:12.32 | alansp | hahaha |
| 00:12.32 | resiak | thenuke: ~/.gdesklets/ ? |
| 00:12.34 | cuse | Hi! Does anybody know how to create a port alias with iptables? I just want to make a port which points to port 80 (on the same machine) |
| 00:12.38 | alansp | i meant assign ip address |
| 00:12.46 | Lee__ | resiak: there's one written in wxWindows called Wired. |
| 00:12.46 | doneill | oh, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:12.53 | resiak | Lee__: There is? |
| 00:12.57 | alansp | it says file is read only |
| 00:13.01 | doneill | as root. |
| 00:13.16 | alansp | yes, logged in as root |
| 00:13.18 | Lee__ | resiak: check the "applications" section of http://jackit.sourceforge.net |
| 00:13.22 | thenuke | resiak: did not see anything like that :I |
| 00:13.30 | jim | cuse: there's #networking and maybe #netfilter here |
| 00:13.32 | resiak | thenuke: What? |
| 00:13.47 | doneill | eum.. |
| 00:14.01 | doneill | your motherdisc must need a good defraggle. |
| 00:14.02 | thenuke | resiak: there was now ~/.gdesklets/ |
| 00:14.18 | Lee__ | defraggle, that sounds dirty |
| 00:14.18 | resiak | thenuke: Have you run gdesklets, ever? |
| 00:14.51 | thenuke | resiak: yup |
| 00:15.04 | resiak | Lee__: More to the point, why do they all have dials? Dials are useless with a mouse. Sadly, Wired is no better. |
| 00:15.22 | thenuke | resiak: tried some desklets, they did not work, and now gdesklets wont start at all anymore, because those problematic desklets try to start on startup |
| 00:15.25 | Lee__ | resiak: cause most audio engineers have an analog fetish. |
| 00:15.29 | doneill | lee__, http://www.datadocktorn.nu/us_frag1.php |
| 00:15.35 | Lee__ | part of that "ease of use" cult. |
| 00:15.47 | resiak | thenuke: I dunno. man gdesklets? |
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| 00:16.06 | resiak | Lee__: Yeah, well, they suck :) |
| 00:16.19 | alansp | I edited, but I think I need to install the driver for the nic |
| 00:16.20 | Chest | any squirrel mail/cyrus users here? |
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| 00:16.51 | Lee__ | doneill: !!!! |
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| 00:16.56 | Lee__ | that's awesome |
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| 00:18.23 | thenuke | resiak: man-page did not tell anything about it. darn |
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| 00:18.31 | doneill | hehe |
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| 00:19.31 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 00:19.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:19.57 | A-abc | how could i add in cron to repeat one action avery minute? |
| 00:19.57 | Lee__ | does anyone use Windows? |
| 00:20.02 | A-abc | *every |
| 00:20.10 | Lee__ | A-abc: man cron |
| 00:20.12 | Chest | i do |
| 00:20.27 | doneill | i bought a bass today. |
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| 00:20.29 | doneill | at the pawn shop |
| 00:20.35 | doneill | a fender squire |
| 00:20.41 | doneill | i'm gonna install debian on it. |
| 00:20.48 | Chest | lol |
| 00:20.51 | Chest | i used to have a squire |
| 00:20.55 | Chest | tbut it was a guitar |
| 00:20.59 | doneill | i had a tursen |
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| 00:21.09 | resiak | Lee__: #windows ? |
| 00:21.11 | doneill | fender makes guitars? |
| 00:21.16 | doneill | j/k. |
| 00:21.16 | Chest | lol |
| 00:21.17 | Lee__ | it was a joke |
| 00:21.17 | A-abc | Lee__ : it doesn't say anything about that in man cron |
| 00:21.29 | themolester | is there a type of video card, which works with a serial or rj45 cable for remote console? |
| 00:21.40 | Lee__ | A-abc: then you have to read more closely |
| 00:21.40 | themolester | like a cisco router or something |
| 00:21.49 | doneill | heh...heheh....heh... |
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| 00:22.37 | Lee__ | backup's done. see you later. |
| 00:22.53 | themolester | i know i can add serial console into the bootloader, and linux ... but that doesn't help me if i need to go into bios |
| 00:23.21 | doneill | molester |
| 00:23.25 | doneill | your bios does that |
| 00:23.29 | doneill | what you want |
| 00:23.33 | themolester | oh, it does? |
| 00:23.37 | doneill | get a higher-end motherboard |
| 00:23.39 | doneill | yeah |
| 00:23.41 | themolester | heh |
| 00:23.43 | doneill | ask for a server board |
| 00:23.45 | themolester | i dont have a higher end mobo |
| 00:23.50 | doneill | with rs232 console on chip |
| 00:23.50 | themolester | i have a old pos cele |
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| 00:24.00 | themolester | i need one i can add on |
| 00:24.05 | Lee__ | themolester: use minicom |
| 00:24.05 | doneill | then you're teh skrue'd. |
| 00:24.22 | doneill | euh |
| 00:24.32 | doneill | so you want a card that can talk to the bios over rs232 |
| 00:24.43 | doneill | you realize how ridiculous that is |
| 00:24.52 | doneill | actually |
| 00:24.55 | doneill | i bet one exists somewhere |
| 00:24.57 | themolester | doneill pretty much heh |
| 00:24.59 | doneill | i should shut my headhole |
| 00:25.11 | themolester | or... a replacement bios heh |
| 00:25.14 | doneill | well |
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| 00:25.21 | doneill | even if you had that, it would have to be for THAT hardware |
| 00:25.27 | doneill | effectively, THAT board |
| 00:25.28 | themolester | i heared linuxbios is pretty snazzy... but i dont think my mobo is supported |
| 00:25.49 | doneill | so if the board could do it, and was wired for it, it would probably already be in your bios |
| 00:26.12 | doneill | you can have linux boot into your rs232 port though |
| 00:26.30 | doneill | y'know, with grub and init running on there, and a login prompt. |
| 00:26.37 | themolester | hrmm |
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| 00:26.45 | themolester | i suppose if thats the best i can do, its the best i can do |
| 00:27.08 | themolester | do you know of a good howto, and if grub boots into the rs232, does that make all subsequent shit happen there too? |
| 00:27.14 | doneill | no clue |
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| 00:27.41 | themolester | oh, and would i have multiple tty's to do stuff in... |
| 00:27.49 | doneill | not over serial, no. |
| 00:27.55 | WillySilly | whats the path to kde in debian? |
| 00:27.58 | doneill | you would have screen at your disposal |
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| 00:28.03 | doneill | WillySilly, /usr |
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| 00:29.20 | themolester | hrmm |
| 00:29.29 | themolester | heres a desprate idea |
| 00:29.36 | doneill | get another monitor? |
| 00:29.48 | doneill | or... a kvm? |
| 00:29.53 | themolester | how many pins are actually used on a monitor cable, and keyboard cable |
| 00:29.54 | themolester | heh |
| 00:30.01 | npx | You could get another computer and use x2x! |
| 00:30.03 | doneill | 15 on a monitor |
| 00:30.11 | doneill | keyboard, depends |
| 00:30.16 | doneill | AT, PS2, or USB? |
| 00:30.18 | stew | themolester: 4 on a kb cable |
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| 00:30.21 | themolester | and do you think a cat5e would hold up |
| 00:30.24 | doneill | AT is 5, plus ground |
| 00:30.31 | doneill | cat5 is intended for .5 volts |
| 00:30.35 | themolester | don_inlab i meant how many are USED not how many are there... |
| 00:30.35 | doneill | it would do fine. |
| 00:30.45 | npx | A question: VGA cables have like, what, 5 grounds? |
| 00:30.50 | themolester | unless its the same number |
| 00:30.56 | npx | Think a VGA cable would work if none of the grounds were connected? |
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| 00:31.03 | doneill | only 5 pins are actually used |
| 00:31.07 | themolester | and those 5 grounds could probobly be combined, right? |
| 00:31.09 | doneill | i don't remember which ones |
| 00:31.24 | doneill | no, it wouldn't |
| 00:31.27 | themolester | hrmm, so 5 pins for vga, and 5 for keyboard.... |
| 00:31.28 | doneill | but you only need one ground |
| 00:31.37 | doneill | cat5 has 8 lines |
| 00:31.43 | themolester | i know |
| 00:31.44 | stew | 12 pins for gva |
| 00:31.47 | stew | err vga |
| 00:31.53 | EvanCarroll | ,,, why would a vga cable need 5 grounds |
| 00:31.58 | doneill | pfft |
| 00:32.00 | EvanCarroll | that makes no sense |
| 00:32.04 | npx | Is there some tool you can use to connect a VGA cable to a VGA connector? |
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| 00:32.18 | EvanCarroll | npx: your hand |
| 00:32.21 | doneill | heh. |
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| 00:32.26 | doneill | evan, you cheeky monkey |
| 00:32.28 | doneill | gimmie a kiss |
| 00:32.30 | doneill | c'mon. |
| 00:32.32 | doneill | do it. |
| 00:32.37 | doneill | just kiddin. |
| 00:32.40 | themolester | npx you can buy a hood kit for it at radioshack |
| 00:32.44 | EvanCarroll | ... had me worried there for a second |
| 00:32.52 | EvanCarroll | =/ |
| 00:32.53 | npx | themolester, hood kit? |
| 00:32.55 | doneill | heh |
| 00:32.58 | themolester | take off two screws and solder the pins |
| 00:33.01 | doneill | starsky and hutch |
| 00:33.04 | doneill | do it. |
| 00:33.05 | npx | Oh, wicked! |
| 00:33.10 | npx | themolester, thanks a lot man |
| 00:33.12 | themolester | np |
| 00:33.21 | themolester | just make sure you put the pins in right order |
| 00:33.23 | themolester | ;-) |
| 00:33.26 | npx | I want to give my mom my old 19" monitor with a broken VGA cable =P |
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| 00:33.32 | npx | save her a few bucks |
| 00:33.35 | themolester | question... |
| 00:33.44 | themolester | does teh cable undo at both ends? |
| 00:33.50 | doneill | some do |
| 00:33.52 | doneill | some don't |
| 00:33.58 | themolester | npx i know |
| 00:33.58 | npx | themolester, mine doesn't |
| 00:34.02 | themolester | thats why im asking :) |
| 00:34.14 | themolester | err doneill i know |
| 00:34.17 | themolester | :) |
| 00:34.19 | stew | themolester: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:34.22 | EvanCarroll | we need an organization to standardize linux conf files |
| 00:34.25 | EvanCarroll | this is so damn sad |
| 00:34.30 | doneill | npx, stop talking to npx instead of me |
| 00:34.35 | doneill | npx, it's probably annoying for him. |
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| 00:34.36 | ptlis | Could somebody tell me how to compress documents into the .zip format? |
| 00:34.43 | npx | No, I don't mind |
| 00:34.45 | stew | ptlis: man zip |
| 00:34.51 | ptlis | Thanks. |
| 00:34.51 | npx | makes me feel important, you should do it all the time |
| 00:34.55 | EvanCarroll | ptlis: 'zip' |
| 00:34.58 | doneill | <3 |
| 00:35.12 | ptlis | I was trying to use tar -_- |
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| 00:35.36 | themolester | stew well im tlking about two things, but what im trying to do is make a "console" like cable.. like cisco routers... but connect it directly to the vga/kb pins |
| 00:35.50 | themolester | since the software solutions do not allow bios access |
| 00:35.50 | stew | themolester: google for "kvm extender" |
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| 00:36.04 | stew | themolester: or search ebay, whatever |
| 00:36.13 | stew | themolester: cybex makes makes nice ones |
| 00:36.19 | stew | err made, they got bought by someone |
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| 00:36.34 | themolester | WHOA |
| 00:36.44 | stew | themolester: or on the high end find a bios that supports console on serial (my asus board from a few years ago does) |
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| 00:36.49 | themolester | that looks like what i want |
| 00:36.50 | themolester | but http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/0dt23008a.html |
| 00:36.53 | themolester | not the price |
| 00:36.59 | stew | themolester: or for the best solution, get a compaq with ilo |
| 00:37.08 | themolester | im looking for a home made rig |
| 00:37.09 | themolester | heh |
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| 00:37.27 | stew | themolester: you should be able to get a cybex longview for not too much money on ebay |
| 00:37.30 | torqq | .ç |
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| 00:37.47 | themolester | if i wanted to trash 600 bucks i'd find better things to spend it on than 3 sets of cables |
| 00:37.49 | themolester | :0 |
| 00:38.53 | dan2 | !qotd numbers |
| 00:38.59 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 00:38.59 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 00:39.15 | dan2 | dpkg: literal qotd0 |
| 00:39.15 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply> see ... |
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| 00:39.57 | dan2 | dpkg: qotd56 is The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | ...but qotd56 is already something else... |
| 00:39.58 | EvanCarroll | 1 |
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| 00:40.07 | dan2 | dpkg: qotd75 is The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | ...but qotd75 is already something else... |
| 00:40.20 | dan2 | dpkg: qotd92 is The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. |
| 00:40.21 | dpkg | ...but qotd92 is already something else... |
| 00:40.23 | dan2 | jesus |
| 00:40.33 | dan2 | dpkg: qotd98 is The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. |
| 00:40.33 | dpkg | ...but qotd98 is already something else... |
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| 00:40.46 | sdogi | aren't the testing and sarge exacly the same thing |
| 00:40.49 | sdogi | !sarge |
| 00:40.49 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | right now they are |
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| 00:41.06 | abrotman | sdogi: they will not stay that way .. when sarge is released .. it becomes stable |
| 00:41.12 | sdogi | i wonder how to fill that out /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:41.14 | abrotman | !literal qotd0 |
| 00:41.14 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply> see ... |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | fucking dpkg is broken |
| 00:41.21 | sdogi | i guess i should add sarge there |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | so god damn broken |
| 00:41.35 | abrotman | sdogi: here's how you do it .. |
| 00:41.37 | sdogi | it had deb http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ sarge main commented out and some other line with testing in it |
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| 00:41.52 | sdogi | i shouldn't mix them i guess, better choose sarge, because testing always changes |
| 00:41.59 | odin19 | alguien que hable español |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | sdogi: do you want to continue to track sarge .. or testing .. ie .. after sarge is released .. do you want to become 'stable' .. or would you like to continue with testing ? |
| 00:42.11 | odin19 | (una mujer) |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:42.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:42.31 | sdogi | abrotman: yeah i know what you mean :) i guess i'll follow testing actually then |
| 00:42.35 | sdogi | so i'll leave sarge commented |
| 00:43.13 | helix | odin19: porque quieres una mujer? |
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| 00:43.31 | rosen | Please I need help to configure an apache2 on debian, I have done a link but I need to use the Full URL to access to the website how to do to ahve the index.html automatically |
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| 00:43.35 | sdogi | also what about that line: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main , you said something yesterday that on same branches those security patches won't be applyed, is it true for testing branch too? |
| 00:43.49 | sdogi | rosen: what |
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| 00:43.55 | helix | sdogi: the security.d.o thing only applies to stable |
| 00:44.05 | abrotman | sdogi: i am tracking sarge .. and probably will until a bit after testing starts to flow again |
| 00:44.06 | komseh | how do i install php w/ mysql/socks/ftp/zlib support? |
| 00:44.07 | odin19 | por que soy un hombre ¿eres una mujer? |
| 00:44.08 | rosen | sdogi: sorry |
| 00:44.26 | cafuego | komseh: apt-get install php4 php4-mysql |
| 00:44.28 | sdogi | abrotman: oh |
| 00:44.29 | EvanCarroll | !tell odin19 about es |
| 00:44.35 | helix | odin19: this isn't a dating channel |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | sdogi: it's just a personal preference |
| 00:44.39 | sdogi | helix: sure about it? i wonder why it wasn't commented out |
| 00:44.44 | cafuego | omg |
| 00:44.48 | cafuego | !helixsmite helix |
| 00:44.49 | komseh | cafuego: are socks/ftp/zlib enabled by default? |
| 00:44.51 | rosen | I have configured a website using an alias. to access to the website I need to use http://localhost/index.html instead of http://localhost |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | sdogi: it works ... just doesn't do anything |
| 00:44.59 | cafuego | komseh: yep |
| 00:45.04 | rosen | How do that? |
| 00:45.09 | sdogi | abrotman: ahh, this security link yes? |
| 00:45.13 | cafuego | komseh: Well, ftp and zlib are, not certain about socks. |
| 00:45.19 | odin19 | your speak spanish |
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| 00:45.20 | sdogi | actually i guess i'll follow sarge then |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | sdogi: yeah .. it's basically worthless if it's pointing at testing .. at least at this point |
| 00:45.28 | sdogi | very nice system indeed |
| 00:45.31 | EvanCarroll | rosen: add in your httpd.conf or apache2.conf the directive to host index.html |
| 00:45.52 | peterS | which is correct, but less useful than reporting local time (: |
| 00:46.00 | rosen | EvanCarroll: ??? I have the line DirectoryIndex index.html.... is it that? |
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| 00:46.07 | EvanCarroll | rosen: i believe so |
| 00:46.13 | sdogi | thanks |
| 00:46.13 | abrotman | sdogi: am i less amusing tonight? |
| 00:46.28 | rosen | EvanCarroll: because I have this line but it s not working |
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| 00:46.32 | sdogi | abrotman: haven't noticed, just arrived here, was busy consuming antibiotics :) |
| 00:46.38 | EvanCarroll | rosen: did you restart apache? |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | sdogi: ah . sounds fun |
| 00:46.44 | rosen | yes of course |
| 00:47.08 | EvanCarroll | rosen: ... make sure your virtual directories don't override, it thats all i can think of |
| 00:47.09 | cafuego | if only it was "of course". |
| 00:47.10 | sdogi | yeah, world seems like totally different, makes me feel that i must have been very sick all the time until now |
| 00:47.24 | helix | sdogi: what's wrong with you? |
| 00:47.30 | WillySilly | anyone here use knoppix hd install? |
| 00:47.42 | cafuego | WillySilly: No, that would be #knoppix |
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| 00:48.25 | themolester | ooh |
| 00:48.26 | sdogi | helix: well i don't know actually, i had some very strange thing in my throat, i couldn't even drink water, it hurted so much, actually even more |
| 00:48.27 | themolester | i found something |
| 00:48.38 | themolester | its called the pc weasel 2000 |
| 00:48.50 | cafuego | themolester: Don't let sussudio hear that... |
| 00:48.52 | sdogi | helix: so, i like waited two days, trying to warm this place with different kind of stuff |
| 00:49.01 | themolester | for serial console emulating keyboard and vid card |
| 00:49.02 | themolester | woo |
| 00:49.07 | themolester | cafuego what? |
| 00:49.14 | cafuego | themolester: he's weasel-mad |
| 00:49.17 | sdogi | helix: went to doctor, and he somehow wrote my strongest antibiotics for respiratory stuff mostly |
| 00:49.27 | helix | sdogi: so you got antibiotics without getting a diagnosis? |
| 00:49.37 | sdogi | helix: anyway i took one of these and it went away the same day, now year after it came back |
| 00:49.45 | themolester | pc weasel, or the-wah-ee-zull |
| 00:49.54 | themolester | :) |
| 00:49.54 | sdogi | helix: he wrote something on paper but i couldn't read it out, it was some strange latin stuff |
| 00:50.34 | sdogi | helix: i just gave it to apothecary clerk and she looked me very strangely |
| 00:50.41 | rosen | EvanCarroll: i HAVE this in the log attemp to serve directory... |
| 00:50.41 | helix | ah |
| 00:50.43 | sdogi | helix: like i was going to die :D |
| 00:50.48 | helix | nice |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | apothecary .. heh |
| 00:51.37 | sdogi | didn't really know how you call this place you buy medicine :) |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | pharmacy |
| 00:51.47 | sdogi | ahh |
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| 00:51.53 | sdogi | but why not apothecary |
| 00:51.57 | peterS | 'apothecary clerk' probably sounds better than 'drug dealer' |
| 00:52.00 | sdogi | pharmacy is familiar actually yes |
| 00:52.00 | helix | apothecary works |
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| 00:52.03 | sdogi | also drugstore |
| 00:52.09 | sdogi | peterS: haha |
| 00:52.11 | abrotman | to me .. apothecary is the guy who mixes your meds |
| 00:52.14 | helix | sdogi: pharmacy is just more common in the US (dunno about elsewhere) |
| 00:52.19 | sdogi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | not gets them out of big containers .. and puts them in little orange bottles |
| 00:52.29 | sdogi | helix: oh |
| 00:52.39 | alele | hi i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.10 but my x is not working right now "no screen found" my board is a savage prosavage ddr and im using debian 3.1... how can i fix? |
| 00:52.43 | sdogi | drug dealer is good too :) |
| 00:52.45 | idnar | abrotman: some here |
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| 00:53.10 | abrotman | sdogi: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apothecary |
| 00:53.54 | sdogi | pharmacist |
| 00:54.01 | sdogi | strange |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | helix: odd question . what kind of salad dressing can you have? |
| 00:54.15 | sdogi | i wrote a word that means pharmacy in estonian to my est-eng script |
| 00:54.19 | helix | depends. |
| 00:54.27 | helix | usually vinegar and oil are enough |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | i assume ranch is out :) |
| 00:54.34 | helix | yeah :) |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | helix: how was NYC(other than the foot)? |
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| 00:54.55 | helix | fantastic |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | helix: you got out before another storm :) |
| 00:55.17 | helix | I left during the storm |
| 00:55.24 | abrotman | oh .. even better! |
| 00:55.30 | helix | yeah :/ |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | from JFK? |
| 00:55.40 | helix | lga |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | at least you didn't have to drive to newark too :) |
| 00:55.57 | helix | true |
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| 00:56.16 | alus | so: apt-file search `which glxgears` doesn't return anything |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | apt-file search glxgears |
| 00:56.31 | EvanCarroll | which is a program |
| 00:56.39 | EvanCarroll | glxgears is an arguement in that syntax |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | and would imply it was installed :) |
| 00:57.07 | alus | apt-file search glxgears also returns nothing |
| 00:57.19 | helix | do you mean to use apt-cache search? |
| 00:57.27 | alus | yes it is installed - I'm trying to find out which package it belongs to |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:57.39 | helix | xbase-clients |
| 00:57.47 | abrotman | dpkg -S `which glxgears` iirc |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | Package: `which glxgears` iirc: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:57.50 | sdogi | btw what can you do with apt-file? i like messed around with it and it seemed to not work at all |
| 00:57.51 | alus | helix: apt-cache search glxgears returns xbase-clients, but downloading the source for xbase-clients I don't see any source to make glxgears |
| 00:57.56 | helix | hum |
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| 00:58.09 | abrotman | sdogi: did you update it first? |
| 00:58.15 | sdogi | oh, lol |
| 00:58.31 | alus | hah, same here |
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| 00:58.45 | EvanCarroll | ... i like apt-file =/ |
| 00:58.55 | sdogi | abrotman: i'll check it out right now, anyway is this ok: deb http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | sdogi: apt-file update |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | sdogi: it looks ok .. as long as you want to track sarge |
| 00:59.09 | peterS | alus: please tell me you didn't just download the source for xbase-clients. that's *huge* |
| 00:59.17 | alus | 50mb or so |
| 00:59.30 | peterS | yeah, you got all of XFree86 |
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| 00:59.33 | alus | wee |
| 00:59.36 | hhhdsf | hi |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | tell us you're on 56k! |
| 00:59.41 | hhhdsf | what's one feature of lisp? |
| 00:59.46 | alus | alI want is the glxgears source |
| 00:59.48 | hhhdsf | i'm riting an assignment |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 00:59.52 | abrotman | #lisp ? |
| 00:59.55 | sdogi | abrotman: apt-file does also use that file right? it seems my mirror won't recognize sarge or something, it gives me forbidden error |
| 00:59.57 | alus | it took a very small amount of time |
| 00:59.57 | hhhdsf | ok |
| 01:00.07 | peterS | alus: it's in there. upstream/tarballs/something.tar.gz |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | sdogi: mine just grabbed it via wget |
| 01:00.24 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: regexes very confusing ones at that |
| 01:00.38 | jeebers | quick question.. anyone have any ideas why the flash plugin would play fine in gnome but not in kde 3.3 .. this machines only purpose is to play flash vidoe file in a browser in fullscreen.. gnome won;t allow me to set the window to full screen like i can in kde..(unless somone knows something i don't) so any thoughs why in kde i can view flash video file and in gnome i can.. wouldn't have thought the destop enviroment would control something like that |
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| 01:01.35 | abrotman | jeebers: #debian-kde |
| 01:01.47 | jeebers | yea |
| 01:01.55 | jeebers | working of sarge |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | helix: do you realize how many things you can't eat? |
| 01:02.49 | helix | abrotman: of course |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | like .. potato salad |
| 01:03.10 | helix | eh? potatoes are fine |
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| 01:03.26 | abrotman | potatoes are .. but not potato salad |
| 01:03.29 | jeebers | ok that's weird.. just logged on as a different user and it worked fine |
| 01:03.32 | helix | what's in potato salad? |
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| 01:03.45 | abrotman | i think butter and mayo |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it is ok |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | i don't eat a lot of it ... |
| 01:04.26 | EvanCarroll | why does exim4 suck |
| 01:04.27 | EvanCarroll | hrm? |
| 01:04.43 | EvanCarroll | does. not. work. |
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| 01:04.52 | jeebers | different.. is there a way to hide the mouse pointer while it's not moving or some thing of even to move it ot the corner automatically.. ther eis no user interaction on this machine |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | helix: sorry to spook you :) |
| 01:05.01 | doneill | exim4 is the shindigs. |
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| 01:05.28 | helix | abrotman: well, mayo and eggs, I know of, but there is vegan mayo and it's easy to do without eggs |
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| 01:06.15 | EvanCarroll | exim4 is the priapsim of my life |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | helix: i'd like to try a vegan meal .. that isn't soy stuff .. but you know .. tastes good :) |
| 01:06.25 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 01:06.27 | EvanCarroll | dear god. |
| 01:06.30 | helix | abrotman: go to an indian restaurant |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | helix: i have .. some of it is ok |
| 01:06.41 | sdogi | lol, no way my debian mirror doesn't let my download that file for apt-file |
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| 01:06.46 | sdogi | it's forbidden |
| 01:06.47 | helix | we had some horrible mock meat one day |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | and my bro had an indian g/f for a while |
| 01:06.50 | sdogi | should write them |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | helix: i remember .. you said .. in NYC .. at the place stew couldn't make it to |
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| 01:07.19 | abrotman | helix: but you didn't order it .. so it's ok :) |
| 01:07.25 | EvanCarroll | im going to file a bug report, exim4: broken. i like it. has a ring of usefullness |
| 01:07.28 | helix | yeah |
| 01:07.33 | helix | I met stew another day |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | helix: you can't even eat cheese :( |
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| 01:07.54 | abrotman | helix: i've not met stew .. but he keeps coming to philly :) |
| 01:08.06 | peterS | stew is another thing she can't eat |
| 01:08.08 | helix | abrotman: yeah, I miss cheese |
| 01:08.09 | jjazz_ | NYC has some really great veggie restaurants. |
| 01:08.12 | doneill | joyballs, my new d-link antenna is in. |
| 01:08.13 | helix | jjazz_: indeed |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | peterS: veggie stew ? |
| 01:08.17 | helix | _all over the place_! |
| 01:08.27 | peterS | wouldn't be the same |
| 01:08.29 | helix | there's a vegetarian restaurant on like every corner |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | helix: i couldn't give up cheese i don't think .. i think i could do vegetarian .. but not vegan |
| 01:08.30 | clusty | I need two programs that I can from the console and get the current bandwidth usage and free memmory |
| 01:08.38 | rosen | PLease nobody can help me to configure the apache2? I explain again: I have a website and to access it I need |
| 01:08.41 | rosen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.42 | jjazz_ | helix: Yep. Have you been to hangawi? |
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| 01:08.46 | helix | abrotman: well, whenever I am tempted to eat cheese, I'm reminded of the digestive problems it causes |
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| 01:08.52 | abrotman | helix: not for me! |
| 01:08.59 | helix | jjazz_: no! we didn't go there -- we went to vatan, the candle cafe, and this ethiopian place called massawa |
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| 01:09.12 | helix | and the house of vegetarian (what a crap name :) |
| 01:09.17 | jjazz_ | helix: I've been to all of those... like them all except vatan |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | helix: i eat a lot of it .. but i guess it's probably like most other foods .. if you don't eat a lot of it .. it can hurt you when you do |
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| 01:09.31 | clusty | rosen: you could make a symbolic link from /var/www |
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| 01:09.36 | helix | jjazz_: what didn't you like about vatan? |
| 01:09.42 | helix | abrotman: maybe |
| 01:09.56 | jjazz_ | helix: I just felt like the food was expensive for what was not such standout fare. |
| 01:10.13 | jjazz_ | helix: But I haven't been there in about 5 years, so it might have improved. |
| 01:10.15 | helix | jjazz_: yeah, I dunno much about indian food, so I thought it was excellent. and all you can eat. :) |
| 01:10.21 | swatikiss | how do I tell LCDd to display certain information? ... I tried "lcdproc C" but this command is not on my system??! |
| 01:10.56 | thingfish | man I could use some indian food right now, I'm feeling a little under the weather. |
| 01:11.01 | jjazz_ | helix: If you're into the veggie stuff, check out Counter. Great, creative veggie food. I went to dinner with 5 friends there and we gorged ourselves silly, trying everything on the menu. It was a beautiful night. |
| 01:11.09 | thingfish | the heat and spice would do me good. |
| 01:11.14 | helix | jjazz_: oh, and we went to galaxy as well |
| 01:11.22 | jjazz_ | helix: Galaxy diner? |
| 01:11.22 | doneill | ...it'll give me a 266% signal boost :\ |
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| 01:11.31 | helix | jjazz_: yeah |
| 01:11.31 | daww | Well, Now I have compiled and installed kernel 2.6.8 (from apt-get) and still have kernel panic "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)", I've followed http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm from scratch... |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | helix: these restaurants are wholy vegan ? |
| 01:11.54 | jjazz_ | helix: I haven't been to one of thsoe in a bit. |
| 01:12.04 | helix | abrotman: usually they're vegetarian with vegan plates |
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| 01:12.15 | abrotman | helix: ah .. gotcha |
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| 01:12.23 | helix | some of them serve meat too, like massawa |
| 01:12.35 | jjazz_ | helix: I think Counter is vegan with some raw plates. |
| 01:12.41 | helix | oh wow |
| 01:13.38 | jjazz_ | helix: They do great things with seitan and sprouts... totally crunchy, but without you ever feeling like you're eating anything less than full on tasty food. |
| 01:13.56 | helix | jjazz_: I wish I'd known about it beforehand -- I would've liked eating there |
| 01:14.11 | thingfish | seitan is good stuff |
| 01:14.18 | jjazz_ | helix: You get to NY often? |
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| 01:14.56 | helix | jjazz_: a minimum of once a year, but it varies |
| 01:15.18 | swatikiss | how do i pass information to LCDproc ? ? |
| 01:15.23 | jjazz_ | Well, something to look forward to, then. :) |
| 01:15.27 | helix | indeed |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | philly!! |
| 01:16.07 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Who's in Philly? |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | jjazz_: me :) .. dan2 and Wyzard are nearby too |
| 01:16.38 | helix | jjazz_: we basically had a foodconf up there last week :) |
| 01:16.52 | jjazz_ | damn... Sounds like good times |
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| 01:17.51 | jjazz_ | What'd you all eat? |
| 01:17.57 | helix | tons of vegan food :) |
| 01:18.01 | helix | well, some people ate tons of cheese |
| 01:18.04 | jjazz_ | heh |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | i love swiss! |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman | and gjesost actuallyt |
| 01:18.30 | abrotman | which i can spell |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | err can't |
| 01:18.35 | jjazz_ | I love the cheese too, but I'm trying to cut back... my gf is worried about my heart. |
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| 01:18.49 | komseh | how do i get php to work with apache? i uncommented lines "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" and "AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps" in my httpd.conf, and php module is listed in modules.conf. |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | heart? |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | komseh: restart apache ? |
| 01:19.09 | peterS | LDL cholesterol, y'know |
| 01:19.09 | komseh | did :( |
| 01:19.18 | jjazz_ | Heart attacks run in my family and so now my gf wants me to quit smoking and eat a leaner diet. |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | bah .. overrated :) |
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| 01:20.05 | eleazar- | hi, i just installed Sarge, and i dont have sound, can someone tell me how to setup my audigy? thx |
| 01:20.08 | jjazz_ | I agree with her that since I don't eat meat, I compensate with cheese. |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | jjazz_: switch to chocolate ? |
| 01:21.17 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:21.26 | jjazz_ | Maybe I'll switch to pork instead... ;) |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | turkey!! |
| 01:21.36 | dan2 | abrotman: my moh application was a huge success |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:21.45 | dan2 | abrotman: bonus + free tickets to von |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | medal of honor ? |
| 01:21.50 | dan2 | abrotman: music on hold |
| 01:21.53 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:22.11 | jjazz_ | abrotman: I miss the savory pork and duck products I ate as a kid... mmm... |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | liver!! |
| 01:22.24 | helix | eat gluten mock meat |
| 01:22.29 | helix | it tastes just like gristle |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:22.35 | eleazar- | anyone? |
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| 01:24.10 | jjazz_ | helix: I have some fake meats I like. |
| 01:24.24 | jjazz_ | helix: gimme lean sausage was just recommended to me quite highly, but I haven't tried it yet. |
| 01:24.35 | helix | yeah, that stuff is good if you're into sausage |
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| 01:24.54 | EvanCarroll | gimme lean? cheap pun on jimmy dean? |
| 01:25.03 | jjazz_ | I miss fatty Chinese sausage. Sometimes I go to my aunt's house and she makes it for herself while I stand in the kitchen and inhale. |
| 01:25.22 | Fluten | i have debian installed on a pentium 2, and in the bios it says 333mhz, and in cat /proc/cpuinfo it says 133 |
| 01:25.29 | Fluten | how would i know which one is correct? |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | i miss some of my mom's cooking .. like lasagna with ricotta .. because i'm lazy :) |
| 01:25.33 | jjazz_ | EvanCarroll: It might just be. |
| 01:25.39 | dondelelcaro | ah, you can't live without sausage. Good bratwurst, knockwurst, chorizo... |
| 01:25.47 | jjazz_ | abrotman: I love to cook. |
| 01:25.47 | helix | dondelelcaro: morcilla! |
| 01:25.58 | eleazar- | ok, thx anyway |
| 01:25.59 | EvanCarroll | Fluten: bios, p2s didn't start untill like 233 |
| 01:26.00 | NarCoT | Hi, I get this next error when run 'apt-get update' - E: Error occured while processing mozilla-firefox-locale-uk (NewVersion1) |
| 01:26.01 | NarCoT | el`: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 01:26.01 | NarCoT | el`: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 01:26.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: bratwurst rules :) |
| 01:26.08 | jjazz_ | mmm... kielbasa |
| 01:26.26 | jjazz_ | I have a friend whose personal motto is "A day without swine is a day without sunshine." |
| 01:26.27 | doneill | i had this girlfriend... |
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| 01:26.34 | doneill | nevermind. |
| 01:26.34 | dondelelcaro | helix: I haven't had morcilla yet... but it looks good |
| 01:26.55 | EvanCarroll | doneill: hahaha, very nice - why try to stand out if you dont have to? |
| 01:27.02 | helix | jjazz_: heh |
| 01:27.08 | lqgusso | hello folks |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what's wrong with that ? |
| 01:27.20 | lqgusso | anyone can help me? |
| 01:27.31 | EvanCarroll | !asl |
| 01:27.32 | dpkg | evancarroll, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 01:27.34 | EvanCarroll | err |
| 01:27.35 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 01:27.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 01:27.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nothing, really. It just makes for some rather interesting food choices... |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it does |
| 01:28.02 | lqgusso | do you know where i can to download Suse? |
| 01:28.08 | NarCoT | anyone knows if ftp.de.debian.org is down ? I can't use it for 'apt-get update'.... |
| 01:28.09 | dondelelcaro | lqgusso: ask #suse |
| 01:28.16 | EvanCarroll | !suse |
| 01:28.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. not completely opensource, see yast for example |
| 01:28.21 | lqgusso | yes |
| 01:28.23 | EvanCarroll | or ask your god, dpkg! |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | lqgusso: again ? .. you're back again? |
| 01:28.38 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: I can ping it... so it's probably up |
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| 01:28.43 | peterS | !suse =~ s/ not completely opensource, see yast for example// |
| 01:28.43 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
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| 01:28.51 | lqgusso | hello abrotman |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 01:29.04 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: so do I get errors when I try 'apt-get update'? |
| 01:29.05 | dondelelcaro | peterS: oh, they finally released the sourcecode for yast or whatever it was? |
| 01:29.10 | EvanCarroll | wow does dpkg take that syntax |
| 01:29.12 | EvanCarroll | thats pretty sexy |
| 01:29.22 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I heard they were doing so. I didn't check to see if they actually had. |
| 01:29.25 | peterS | dondelelcaro: didn't someone ITP it? |
| 01:29.26 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: well, only you can know it. |
| 01:29.36 | lqgusso | Suse is a commercial distro and just have for download the live cd |
| 01:29.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I really hope not. But there are some cluebies ITPing things |
| 01:29.48 | EvanCarroll | peterS: the regex didn't make much sense, your searching for a nonexistant string to replace it with a string? |
| 01:30.00 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: but I don't. I get 'E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room' |
| 01:30.01 | dondelelcaro | lqgusso: well, then ask #suse. We have no clue, nor do we care where you can download suse. |
| 01:30.04 | dondelelcaro | !mmap |
| 01:30.05 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 01:30.10 | lqgusso | hello dpkg |
| 01:30.15 | EvanCarroll | *err to repalce it with a nonexistant string |
| 01:30.19 | peterS | EvanCarroll: what regex? what I did had the effect I intended it to have |
| 01:30.26 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: in the future, give us the error... then we can help you much more rapidly. (see what dpkg said) |
| 01:30.55 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: thanks, and I did paste it earlier in the chat |
| 01:31.27 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: ah, I must have missed it. The ftp.de.debian.org thing was just a red herring then. |
| 01:31.39 | EvanCarroll | peterS> !suse =~ s/ not completely opensource, see yast for example//; shouldent that read peterS> !suse =~ s/opensource/ not completely opensource, see yast for example// |
| 01:31.50 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: :) thankx anyway |
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| 01:31.58 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: eh? no, it shouldn't. perldoc perlretut |
| 01:32.09 | peterS | EvanCarroll: no. what I did worked. |
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| 01:32.33 | libpcp | hi all |
| 01:32.37 | EvanCarroll | ...confusion, its s/searchpatern/replacepater/ |
| 01:33.12 | lqgusso | Abrotma, how are you doing? |
| 01:33.16 | daww | Can I set "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y" at kernel "/boot/kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.8" without having to recompile it? |
| 01:33.28 | EvanCarroll | !suse |
| 01:33.28 | dpkg | methinks suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. |
| 01:33.38 | EvanCarroll | doesn't look like it took it.. |
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| 01:34.14 | libpcp | i would like to ask how to rename a file with a space in between, ex: file name.sh |
| 01:34.18 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: yes, which is exactly what peterS used. |
| 01:34.26 | libpcp | it was a ms filename |
| 01:34.26 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: review your scrollback and be enlightened. |
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| 01:34.36 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: use mv foo\ file barfile; |
| 01:34.57 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: or mv 'foo file' barfile; or rename 's/\ /_/g' *; |
| 01:35.31 | EvanCarroll | oh shit, i mis read the original quote, sry peterS I thought you wanted to add that it wasn't all open sourced |
| 01:35.40 | EvanCarroll | did suse release the source for yast? |
| 01:36.08 | libpcp | dondelelcaro: yeah it works with ' ' |
| 01:36.14 | libpcp | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:36.22 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: it works with *all* of those. They're just different ways to do it. |
| 01:36.25 | peterS | EvanCarroll: that was the plan. I didn't care enough about YaST to ever check to see if they actually did it. |
| 01:36.39 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: I made a file called 'apt.conf' inside /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and I changed the value to '422582912' and it still won't work... |
| 01:36.46 | EvanCarroll | oh news to me |
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| 01:36.53 | komseh | how can i re-install apache with mysql support? |
| 01:37.07 | dondelelcaro | komseh: apache doesn't have mysql support. |
| 01:37.08 | peterS | komseh: what did you want apache to use mysql for? |
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| 01:37.15 | komseh | err uhmm |
| 01:37.17 | komseh | maybe it was php |
| 01:37.17 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: when I add '#' to the line of this server I stop getting this Error |
| 01:37.18 | komseh | ogshg |
| 01:37.27 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: which error? |
| 01:37.43 | WE_R_DNA | "We are given Consciousness for this Soul Experience." |
| 01:37.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell ptlis about away |
| 01:37.46 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: 'E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room' |
| 01:38.02 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: then you need to increase that value even more, or don't have quite so many things listed in your sources.list file |
| 01:38.17 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: what exactly is the contents of the file that you created? |
| 01:38.34 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: I only have 4 servers in the list |
| 01:39.02 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: 'APT::Cache-Limit 422582912;' |
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| 01:39.10 | tony | doesn't matter, has to do with the size of the archives those 4 servers offer |
| 01:39.30 | tony | you can have 1 server listed and get that error |
| 01:40.28 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: does it work if you go apt-get -o APT::Cache-Limit=422582912 update; ? |
| 01:40.58 | dondelelcaro | (although, it's quite possible that you can't allocate that much memory) |
| 01:41.09 | dondelelcaro | 80000000 is much more reasonable. |
| 01:41.37 | daww | is it just to edit /boot/config-2.6.8 manage the kernel? |
| 01:41.44 | dondelelcaro | daww: no, it's not. |
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| 01:41.54 | tony | I'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-1, is there any reason to upgrade ? |
| 01:42.05 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 01:43.06 | Reformed | Anyone know of any good Debian auth LDAP guides? I've followed some of the howto's and I get talk to my LDAP directory (getent passwd user retruns the correct infromation) but authentication doesn't work. |
| 01:43.10 | daww | dondelelcaro, ok, do I really need to RECOMPILE the whole kernel just to apply one changes simple changes? |
| 01:43.15 | man_in_shack | i want to set up an irc server. what's the easiest one to configure? |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | Reformed: #openldap .. shold be the same |
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| 01:43.26 | Reformed | Ahhh, thanks! |
| 01:43.30 | mee | hey guys |
| 01:43.34 | mee | whats up? |
| 01:43.43 | mee | had a question... |
| 01:44.29 | mee | i have an old 5gig hdd lying around, i wanted to hook it up to my comp (that i'm on now) and load debian on it |
| 01:44.45 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: how can I fix it? |
| 01:44.45 | man_in_shack | why not? |
| 01:44.47 | mee | can i boot off of that hdd |
| 01:44.57 | mee | or is there something special i need to do? |
| 01:45.08 | tony | mee, really depends on where you are in your learning curve |
| 01:45.15 | dan2 | abrotman: btw, I completely nuked the ipc problem for music on hold |
| 01:45.16 | mee | beginning |
| 01:45.21 | debian | mee: of course |
| 01:45.28 | daww | dondelelcaro, I'll be glad if you answer my question, it would save me some time |
| 01:45.34 | tony | mee, you might be challenged then... |
| 01:45.39 | mee | yea? |
| 01:45.43 | dondelelcaro | daww: depends on what the changes you want to make are. |
| 01:45.52 | tony | mee, eh, well, you've gotta learn sometime |
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| 01:45.55 | mee | because, i have debian at school too, so i try to learn as much as i can there |
| 01:45.58 | dondelelcaro | daww: if you're running a Debian kernel, almost anything you'd ever want to use can be loaded as a module. |
| 01:46.05 | mee | but i like linux and would like to have it at home 2 |
| 01:46.18 | tony | 5GB disk isn't much to work with |
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| 01:46.35 | mee | oh ya? |
| 01:46.39 | tony | mee, ya |
| 01:46.43 | mee | crap |
| 01:46.54 | mee | what if i use a live distro |
| 01:46.58 | daww | dondelelcaro, yes, I want to enable "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y" in the running kernel |
| 01:47.10 | tony | mee, sure... you can always do that |
| 01:47.12 | dondelelcaro | NarCoT: add APT::Cache-Limit 80000000; to /etc/apt/apt.conf; instead of sticking it in apt.conf.d |
| 01:47.24 | dondelelcaro | daww: uh, that already should be loaded. |
| 01:47.25 | mee | but i'd like it installed on the hdd |
| 01:47.37 | mee | too much trouble trying to restore information and everything |
| 01:47.40 | daww | dondelelcaro, no, it's an module right now |
| 01:47.51 | dondelelcaro | daww: sure, but it's loaded, which is just fine. |
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| 01:47.55 | tony | my /etc/apt/apt.conf reads APT::Cache-Limit 25165824; |
| 01:47.59 | tony | works fine |
| 01:48.00 | mee | but i've heard there are too many problems trying to load em to hdd |
| 01:48.17 | tony | mee, sounds like you've got some learning to do |
| 01:48.18 | NarCoT | dondelelcaro: sticking it in apt.conf.d is what dpkg said. anyway, thank you ! |
| 01:48.27 | tony | mee, ever installed linux/unix/bsd? |
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| 01:48.39 | mee | because i'm using DSL (damn small linux) at the moment by booting off the cd |
| 01:48.40 | daww | dondelelcaro, I don't want it as a module, then I need initrd stuff witch I don't have a clue how to fix =( |
| 01:48.43 | mee | never tony |
| 01:48.50 | tony | mee, time to learn |
| 01:48.56 | mee | any good links? |
| 01:48.56 | tony | here's what I would do |
| 01:48.59 | mee | ya |
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| 01:49.21 | tony | put that 5GB disk in your machine so it's the only disk (take out the good disk) |
| 01:49.29 | mee | ok |
| 01:49.47 | tony | you've already got a debian net-install cd burned, right? |
| 01:49.56 | daww | dondelelcaro, do you use initrd? |
| 01:50.00 | mee | not yet - but i'm taking notes |
| 01:50.09 | tony | go get a copy, burn it |
| 01:50.18 | mee | then |
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| 01:50.22 | tony | put the 5GB disk into position and see how far you get |
| 01:50.41 | Darien | cacn anyone think of any quick and easy way to duplicate a Debian installation from one system to another? |
| 01:50.45 | tony | wait... do you have a broadband net connection? |
| 01:50.57 | mee | ofcourse |
| 01:50.58 | tony | Darien , man dd? |
| 01:51.04 | Darien | not that hardcore |
| 01:51.09 | Darien | just the packages |
| 01:51.15 | tony | mee, then yes, use a net-install |
| 01:51.19 | tony | Darien, dpkg -l |
| 01:51.26 | Darien | oh |
| 01:51.28 | tony | shows all installed packages |
| 01:51.34 | mee | k, but do i not need to setup an access manager to connect? |
| 01:51.37 | Darien | dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:51.42 | tony | cat that to a file, use it as the basis of a simple script |
| 01:51.56 | tony | mee, wtf is an access manager? |
| 01:51.58 | x|e | hey im getting an error when trying to run cfdisk... here is the message " FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap".. I searched google and from what i read it says its because the partitions arent set in disk order... is there a way to fix this without losing any data? |
| 01:52.00 | cg0def | I just installed debian and I can't startx |
| 01:52.13 | cg0def | reconfiguring doesn't help |
| 01:52.14 | mee | a connection program |
| 01:52.14 | tony | cg0def , welcome to the club |
| 01:52.23 | tony | mee, no idea at all, sorry |
| 01:52.36 | tony | x|e prolly not |
| 01:52.38 | rosen | Please the DirectoryIndex not work on my configuration someone can help me? |
| 01:52.43 | rosen | on apache |
| 01:52.47 | doneill | rosen: #apache |
| 01:52.50 | tony | cg0def , do you prefer gnome or kde? |
| 01:53.05 | cg0def | gnome |
| 01:53.06 | rosen | doneill: already on Apache |
| 01:53.10 | mee | tony: its a lil program thing that came from my isp to connect to the net |
| 01:53.11 | jim | mee: 5g for just learning linux/unix is fine |
| 01:53.13 | x|e | tony, only problem is that hda6 comes before hda5... no way to flip it around without reformatting? |
| 01:53.15 | doneill | then why are you asking here? |
| 01:53.17 | daww | is there anyone here who can tell me how to make "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8" so I can use modules? |
| 01:53.17 | mee | i guess to initiate everything |
| 01:53.23 | tony | cg0def , hmm, i haven't used gnome in many years now |
| 01:53.24 | mee | but i do have dsl and everything |
| 01:53.26 | rosen | because no answer on apache |
| 01:53.30 | tony | mee, no idea |
| 01:53.34 | cg0def | x cant load up stuff like speedo and any of the opengl stuff and crashes |
| 01:53.36 | doneill | rosen, no answer here ;/ |
| 01:53.36 | mee | =\ |
| 01:53.42 | mee | how do u connect on the net |
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| 01:53.50 | mee | when u start up ur comp |
| 01:54.00 | rosen | doneill: why? |
| 01:54.03 | jim | mee: yes, you can boot the debian from that drive, and yes, you have to do soemthing special (the first time) to get the boot working |
| 01:54.11 | tony | mee, my systems are always on & i have static ips |
| 01:54.14 | cg0def | is there a way to reinstall all the stuff that xfree86 depends on |
| 01:54.20 | cg0def | not manually |
| 01:54.23 | mee | jim: what thing special |
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| 01:54.26 | mee | oh |
| 01:54.26 | jim | mee: you tell me... how do you connect to the net? |
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| 01:54.32 | david | hello |
| 01:54.37 | tony | cg0def , apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:54.43 | mee | i click a lil thing called the access manager after starting |
| 01:54.47 | jim | mee: arrange for either lilo or grub to boot one of your two oses |
| 01:54.53 | mee | its under my connections menue |
| 01:55.02 | tony | jim, are you the bass playing Laney College Gent? |
| 01:55.03 | cg0def | tony:yeah but that won't work because xfree is already installed |
| 01:55.03 | mee | *menu |
| 01:55.10 | jim | mee: or -better-: get an old crappy machine and put linux on it |
| 01:55.13 | tony | cg0def , then remove and re-install |
| 01:55.18 | jim | tony: yeah :) |
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| 01:55.28 | tony | Jim, AWESOME!!!! |
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| 01:55.34 | jim | is? ok :) |
| 01:55.40 | mee | k, so i gotta old crappy machine 2, just didn't wanna use it since i didn't have that much space |
| 01:55.55 | jim | oh really... tony miller? |
| 01:55.59 | mee | but if its a lot easier than dual booting, i guess i'll rearrange some furniture |
| 01:56.01 | tony | jim, really glad to see you're still using debian and supporting the community! |
| 01:56.14 | mee | debain rules |
| 01:56.14 | jim | which tony? |
| 01:56.18 | tony | no, not miller, you prolly won't remember me |
| 01:56.24 | jim | :P |
| 01:56.26 | jim | try me |
| 01:56.53 | jim | what class did we take? |
| 01:57.00 | mee | hehe |
| 01:57.06 | tony | jim, i can't remember any of my teachers names |
| 01:57.15 | NarCoT | How do I search & view Linux documentation ? |
| 01:57.18 | jim | ok, but what was the class? |
| 01:57.31 | daww | Should I build all drivers right into the kernel, instead of into modules? |
| 01:57.32 | tony | jim, hmm... I think we met in a piano class maybe? |
| 01:57.39 | jim | NarCoT: you could install dwww |
| 01:57.43 | jim | and a web server |
| 01:57.44 | tony | or, perhaps in choir |
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| 01:57.58 | tony | anyway, great to see you online |
| 01:58.00 | tony | :) |
| 01:58.02 | pipeline | NarCoT: the "apropos" command will search the titles of the manual pages. The "man" command will bring up any man page you want. |
| 01:58.06 | jim | you in oigc? |
| 01:58.07 | this_is_a_new_ni | sorry, ignore me, just testing something |
| 01:58.25 | NarCoT | pipeline: thanks :) |
| 01:58.28 | pipeline | NarCoT: When you are viewing a man page, you can use / to search inside it. You'll need to search inside the man pages because they're usually rather densely written. |
| 01:58.29 | petemc | this_is_a_new_ni: /join #testing |
| 01:58.39 | tony | jim, i've been back in Santa Cruz for many many years now |
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| 01:58.41 | jim | Lucy Kinchen's choir? |
| 01:58.45 | tony | YEAH! |
| 01:58.53 | NarCoT | pipeline: again, 10x :) |
| 01:58.53 | tony | Mrs. Kinchen! |
| 01:58.55 | {uzi} | yea |
| 01:58.55 | jim | Lucy is baaad |
| 01:59.00 | tony | she was really talented |
| 01:59.13 | tony | we had a great time in the choir |
| 01:59.23 | jim | so maybe we had a voice class; I never did her choir |
| 01:59.49 | jim | D'Amante hired her |
| 01:59.58 | jim | and Jay Lehman |
| 01:59.58 | {uzi} | one last question - if i install a live distro onto the hdd, am i going to be missing out on A LOT of linux stuff? |
| 02:00.13 | tony | jim, hmm, could be... or perhaps you played bass with the choir once or twice? |
| 02:00.15 | NarCoT | pipeline: It seems like I don't have these two commands... |
| 02:00.25 | tony | anyway, we were compatriots there |
| 02:00.31 | jim | tony: vague possibility |
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| 02:00.55 | jim | did I tutor theory then? |
| 02:01.02 | pipeline | NarCoT: If you're using debian, you have "man" |
| 02:01.15 | jim | that and ear training is/was my specialty |
| 02:01.16 | tony | not sure man, was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away |
| 02:01.30 | tony | rad |
| 02:01.31 | {uzi} | ? |
| 02:01.32 | NarCoT | pipeline: r:/# man |
| 02:01.33 | NarCoT | bash: man: command not found |
| 02:01.36 | {uzi} | ? |
| 02:01.41 | {uzi} | one last question - if i install a live distro onto the hdd, am i going to be missing out on A LOT of linux stuff? |
| 02:01.51 | jim | {uzi}: I don't think you'd miss much |
| 02:01.51 | doneill | NarCoT, apt-get install mandb |
| 02:01.54 | NarCoT | pipeline: Should I install 'man-db'? |
| 02:01.55 | {uzi} | k, thanks |
| 02:01.58 | {uzi} | see ya |
| 02:02.00 | doneill | or, yeah, man-db |
| 02:02.06 | NarCoT | doneill: :) thanks |
| 02:02.28 | NarCoT | pipeline: what about 'apropos' ? |
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| 02:02.48 | guest-linux | alguem fala portugues?? |
| 02:02.50 | doneill | i've never had to install man or apropos |
| 02:02.51 | jim | tony: did we talk here or on another chat awhile back? |
| 02:03.01 | jim | !br |
| 02:03.01 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:03.03 | tony | jim, i'm here every now and again |
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| 02:03.41 | guest-linux | valeu |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 02:03.58 | dpkg | methinks portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:04.06 | libpcp | is it possible to search a word in a files inside a directory? |
| 02:04.19 | EvanCarroll | libpcp: grep? |
| 02:04.21 | abrotman | grep <blah> * |
| 02:04.21 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.38 | NarCoT | Anyone knows how to install Netscape font? I can't even view www.google.com |
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| 02:04.46 | EvanCarroll | grep -r blah * auctually |
| 02:04.58 | libpcp | okay i will try that |
| 02:05.01 | EvanCarroll | if you want to recurse through the directory |
| 02:05.05 | doneill | <3 egrep |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | he didn't say recursive! |
| 02:06.28 | doneill | i want to search cursively. |
| 02:06.34 | doneill | find my shit, dammit. |
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| 02:07.14 | abrotman | look in th etoilet |
| 02:07.37 | mathieu_ | he might have flushed |
| 02:07.57 | doneill | then i'll recurse into it. |
| 02:08.04 | anhi | can you find out the correct /dev/sdxX entry from "new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6" ? |
| 02:08.09 | doneill | dodging the alligators, turtles, and father's wallets |
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| 02:08.53 | doneill | successful defraggle, lee-kun? |
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| 02:09.06 | Lee__ | yeah |
| 02:09.11 | doneill | stellar. |
| 02:09.18 | Lee__ | but now I forgot the dpkg command to reconfigure xfree |
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| 02:09.27 | abrotman | anhi: dmesg ? |
| 02:09.29 | Lee__ | dpkg-reconfigure x-windows-system does nothing |
| 02:09.37 | Lee__ | *window |
| 02:11.55 | Lee__ | nm, the bot had the answer |
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| 02:12.13 | anhi | abrotman: allready found out, i mounted the cable for the additional usb slots upside down and just fried my stick :/ |
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| 02:12.27 | doneill | xserver-xfree86 isn't it |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | anhi: they only go in one way |
| 02:12.40 | doneill | x-window-system is just a meta |
| 02:12.44 | anhi | i mean the cable connector on the motherboard |
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| 02:13.08 | anhi | from the slots to the pins on the board :/ |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | anhi: oh .. i don't think it fries them |
| 02:13.27 | Lee__ | would anyone know the best xfree driver for a video chipset that identifies itself as "S3 UniChrome Integrated Video"? the options seem to be "s3, s3virge, and savage" |
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| 02:13.44 | doneill | savage, i say. |
| 02:13.56 | Lee__ | kewl |
| 02:14.16 | doneill | safest might be s3 though |
| 02:14.35 | Lee__ | I'll live on the edge |
| 02:14.41 | doneill | you rubble. |
| 02:15.23 | EvanCarroll | !s3 |
| 02:15.23 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
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| 02:15.39 | doneill | !nvidia |
| 02:15.40 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun ... |
| 02:15.47 | Lee__ | yeah, and the price is that of quality |
| 02:15.50 | Lee__ | !ati |
| 02:15.50 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. ... |
| 02:16.12 | Lee__ | getting that one configured was an epic adventure |
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| 02:16.24 | doneill | yeah, i hear ya man |
| 02:16.27 | Lee__ | which is still in progress |
| 02:16.37 | doneill | i traded in my Radeon 9800Pro for an FX5600, same day. |
| 02:16.49 | EvanCarroll | i have a radeon 9600pro |
| 02:16.51 | EvanCarroll | i hate it |
| 02:16.55 | doneill | was the most unstable Point Of Sale i ever wasted $450 on |
| 02:16.55 | EvanCarroll | i hope it dies |
| 02:17.03 | Lee__ | radeon 9000 here. need TV output and 3d for the phat gamez, y'know :) |
| 02:17.16 | doneill | my 5600fx does that too |
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| 02:17.21 | doneill | i play NWN on my tv |
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| 02:17.25 | matheus_ | Boa noite! |
| 02:17.40 | doneill | !es (i guess) |
| 02:17.44 | EvanCarroll | french. |
| 02:17.47 | matheus_ | Estou recebendo o seguinte erro quando tento rodar o jogo alephone |
| 02:17.49 | Lee__ | !br |
| 02:17.49 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:17.50 | doneill | euhh.. yeah? |
| 02:17.53 | EvanCarroll | !fr |
| 02:17.53 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:17.56 | doneill | !es |
| 02:17.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:18.01 | doneill | whichever |
| 02:18.03 | matheus_ | Segue o erro: alephone: error while loading shared libraries: liblua.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:18.15 | Lee__ | brazil == portugues |
| 02:18.18 | doneill | !jp |
| 02:18.18 | dpkg | [jp] Japan |
| 02:18.20 | doneill | heh. |
| 02:18.23 | EvanCarroll | !jp |
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| 02:18.28 | doneill | Nanda kore? |
| 02:18.30 | EvanCarroll | damn that would be amusing |
| 02:18.49 | Alex_ | http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1358602 |
| 02:18.53 | Alex_ | How does that look? |
| 02:18.55 | NarCoT | how do I get the list of pid so I could kill a proccess ? |
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| 02:19.03 | EvanCarroll | !ps |
| 02:19.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ps is a command that reports a snapshot of active processes (`man ps' for more info). Try: `ps auxw' which will report all processes with username in wide format. or ps is fixed in 2.0.3-3, no more segfaults. |
| 02:19.12 | Alex_ | I'm putting together an order for an übercheap PC to compliment my PPC. |
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| 02:19.49 | doneill | euh, you realize a high end IA PC is still a penny compared to a PPC? |
| 02:19.49 | Alex_ | Any comments on it? |
| 02:20.03 | Lee__ | ia64 in die haus! |
| 02:20.09 | EvanCarroll | !gr |
| 02:20.09 | dpkg | i guess gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
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| 02:20.13 | pngwn | EvanCarroll, please /msg the bot |
| 02:20.13 | doneill | um, you mean amd64. |
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| 02:20.22 | Lee__ | no, Itanium |
| 02:20.27 | EvanCarroll | whats german =/ |
| 02:20.28 | doneill | oh, unobtanium. |
| 02:20.32 | pipeline | doneill: Eh, IBM OpenPower is only about 25,000$ |
| 02:20.39 | NarCoT | EvanCarroll: thanks |
| 02:20.41 | doneill | sweet deal. |
| 02:20.50 | Lee__ | exactly. last place I worked they droped $15,000 on it and never used it. |
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| 02:20.55 | Alex_ | doneill: I don't think it's possible to "realize" that, seeing that it's not true. |
| 02:21.07 | Alex_ | But that's beside the fact. |
| 02:21.08 | pipeline | doneill: It's pretty sweet compared to Itanium. HP used to charge 15,000$ for a system that used PC100 RAM for its main storage. |
| 02:21.12 | doneill | oes gnoes, the debianers attacking me |
| 02:21.14 | pipeline | doneill: err, main memory |
| 02:21.23 | doneill | hehe yeah |
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| 02:21.36 | doneill | my roomy paid like $1200 for a 1GB HD back in the day, too. |
| 02:21.45 | doneill | suckerrrr |
| 02:21.45 | Lee__ | sweet. that's storage! |
| 02:21.58 | doneill | whatever man, i paid $180 for a TNT2 not long ago |
| 02:22.10 | doneill | but you can build a decent AMD64 for around $500 |
| 02:22.26 | doneill | board, cpu, case, fan, ram, disk, nic, video, audio |
| 02:22.30 | stew | doneill: my dad has a pcword issue #1 that has 5mb hard drives for $4995 |
| 02:22.35 | stew | pcworld* |
| 02:22.39 | doneill | hehe |
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| 02:22.46 | ssj4conejo | how can i hcieck if acpci is on? |
| 02:22.49 | doneill | damn, sign me *up* |
| 02:23.00 | doneill | ssj4conejo, check in the bi-os. |
| 02:23.13 | Lee__ | build the best Linux box http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm |
| 02:23.25 | NarCoT | Which is better aMule or xMule ? any other suggestions ? |
| 02:23.48 | Lee__ | I prefer aHorse to aMule |
| 02:23.59 | doneill | hehe |
| 02:24.02 | doneill | aWoman |
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| 02:24.10 | doneill | that's my preference. |
| 02:24.16 | doneill | then again, i'm not a wacky american. |
| 02:24.17 | Lee__ | aLoser |
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| 02:24.26 | doneill | aHorseHumper |
| 02:24.46 | plasmatic1 | i've recently the link because I reinstalled my system, but there was a command to meessage the bot in this channel (dpkg) that would show how to fix errors with apt-get install. Does anyone know what the command was? |
| 02:24.48 | NarCoT | now really... |
| 02:24.51 | doneill | for mp3s i use nicotine |
| 02:24.57 | doneill | mule kinda bugs me. |
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| 02:25.05 | simonrvn | i just use nicotine ;p |
| 02:25.05 | plasmatic1 | *i've recently lost the link |
| 02:25.07 | stew | plasmatic1: what problem are you having? |
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| 02:25.33 | cafuego | plasmatic1: apt-get -f install |
| 02:25.37 | plasmatic1 | stew: with alsa-utils i came in here a couple of days ago with the same problem, but i have forgoten the link (i should have written it down) |
| 02:25.48 | plasmatic1 | cafuego: tried it, doesn't work |
| 02:25.52 | stew | !alsa bork |
| 02:25.54 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 02:25.55 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 02:26.00 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 02:26.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:26.02 | NarCoT | doneill: simonrvn: is it working on bittorent? ed2k? |
| 02:26.10 | plasmatic1 | cafuego: oh nvm, i just did it again and it worked :S |
| 02:26.22 | stew | uh huh |
| 02:26.25 | cafuego | Hmm, Nicholas Cage is wandering around town, filming stuff. |
| 02:26.27 | mxldr | hey- is there really a program out there called "ndos" |
| 02:26.35 | Lee__ | doneill: it wasn't savage :) |
| 02:26.48 | jetscreamer | norton dos iirc |
| 02:26.50 | cafuego | !fgi mxldr ndos |
| 02:26.51 | dpkg | mxldr: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ndos |
| 02:27.01 | plasmatic1 | nvm, it's still broken |
| 02:27.17 | simonrvn | NarCoT: i was talking about cigarettes |
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| 02:27.36 | Lee__ | simonrvn: your cigarettes can play mp3s! OMG!! |
| 02:27.38 | jetscreamer | that was back in the norton utilities glory days, 6.0 |
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| 02:27.47 | jetscreamer | and prev |
| 02:27.57 | plasmatic1 | stew: how do you remove the package, apt-get -f install didn't seem to work... |
| 02:28.06 | mxldr | i already tried that, but nothing came up |
| 02:28.08 | stew | plasmatic1: apt-get remove pkgname |
| 02:28.14 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Bah, Nortun Utilities 10 for Win2k3 ROCK!! |
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| 02:28.21 | jetscreamer | see also remove --purge |
| 02:28.23 | wrk | hi all |
| 02:28.26 | stew | mxldr: then there is probably not such a program |
| 02:28.42 | plasmatic1 | stew: a broken package though |
| 02:28.54 | mxldr | # ndos |
| 02:28.54 | mxldr | Ndos 0.04 Usage: ndos [options] target_host portnum |
| 02:28.54 | mxldr | Supported options: |
| 02:28.54 | mxldr | -D <filename> Send all data from given file into the opened connection |
| 02:28.54 | mxldr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.54 | stew | plasmatic1: if you gave us an error message we could be more helpful |
| 02:28.59 | jetscreamer | finish intstalling it |
| 02:29.12 | stew | and he is asking us if such a program exists? |
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| 02:29.32 | mxldr | is that program real? |
| 02:29.36 | cafuego | "NDOS: Provides 200 additional DOS prompt commands including color-enhanced directory listings g color-enhanced directory listings and 40+ character file descriptions" |
| 02:29.43 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 02:29.48 | cafuego | mxldr: Either you can't use google, or you're trolling. |
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| 02:29.54 | stew | mxldr: you think it might be a halucination? |
| 02:29.54 | jetscreamer | ndos rocked though |
| 02:30.04 | wrk | sorry, where can i find something like Debian New Maintainers' Guide but that speaks about multiple binary and library packages ? tnx |
| 02:30.09 | jetscreamer | and nu baby |
| 02:30.11 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 02:30.29 | peterS | wrk: by the time you're ready for *those*, just read Policy and RTFM on some of the tools like debhelper |
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| 02:30.44 | plasmatic1 | stew: ok, error message: "Unpacking alsa-utils" "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/alsamixer', which is also in package knx-alsa dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe). Errors were encountered while processing:" "sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 02:31.00 | mxldr | when i google it, nothing about computers comes up |
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| 02:31.09 | cafuego | mxldr: So you can't use google. |
| 02:31.21 | mxldr | apparently so |
| 02:31.27 | cafuego | Coz then *I* search, it does. |
| 02:31.40 | stew | wrk: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html, for multible binaries, just look at other packages, and hopefully you have memorized policy by now |
| 02:31.43 | mxldr | okay- this is what comes up when i google it |
| 02:31.45 | NarCoT | Anyone knows a good webbrowser? communicator? firefox? |
| 02:31.52 | mxldr | http://www.google.com/search?q=Ndos+&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 02:32.03 | cafuego | mxldr: Search for ndos+norton |
| 02:32.11 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename.deb |
| 02:32.12 | arkaoss | I apt-get installed php4 a while after i installed apache.. i've been picking over my apache files to make sure my httpd.conf has what it needs but i feel i am missing something.. is there an apt-get command to re-configure apt-gotten things? |
| 02:32.12 | wrk | ok tnx stew |
| 02:32.23 | mxldr | how was i supposed to know that? |
| 02:32.44 | cafuego | mxldr: Someone here mentioned norton. |
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| 02:32.51 | vile_maxim | arkaoss, dpkg-reconfigure goo |
| 02:33.00 | jetscreamer | lies, nobody said norton utilities |
| 02:33.15 | mxldr | that does seem like: Ndos Denial of Service |
| 02:33.16 | vile_maxim | arkaoss, I seem to remember having to uncomment out php by hand |
| 02:33.24 | cafuego | jetscreamer: strstr("norton utilities", "norton") > 1 |
| 02:33.31 | NarCoT | How do I configure my mail Client ? |
| 02:33.43 | vile_maxim | arkaoss, is this on a stable machine? |
| 02:33.54 | jetscreamer | [20.33.48] [20.27.03] <jetscreamer> norton dos iirc <--- i NEVER said that!!! |
| 02:33.59 | cafuego | NarCoT: with software |
| 02:34.00 | jetscreamer | lies! |
| 02:34.13 | vile_maxim | NarCoT, I think you would do better using all caps |
| 02:34.19 | cafuego | jetscreamer: You KNOW you run DOS!!! |
| 02:34.39 | jetscreamer | sure, everytime i use that hacker bios flash baby |
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| 02:35.00 | jetscreamer | if you need a w98ebd floppy image i got one fer ya |
| 02:35.13 | mxldr | it says there is a simple program to run a DDoS attack using "ndos" |
| 02:35.16 | mxldr | http://www.insecure.org/stc/ |
| 02:35.18 | cafuego | My config.sys is nicer then your .xsession |
| 02:35.37 | jetscreamer | my msdos.ini is a work or art |
| 02:35.43 | cafuego | mxldr: Check the channel topic. |
| 02:35.44 | arkaoss | yeah.. my main PITA is it seems i can't really tell if i need mod_php to be recognized and to show up in webmin.... I am a whuss when it comes to keeping track of where config files are, and i only barley got some CGI work to run on this install, now a program I pulledin that uses PHP isn't running |
| 02:35.49 | jetscreamer | (or whatever it was) |
| 02:35.51 | NarCoT | vile_maxim: How do I do it? |
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| 02:35.57 | Lee__ | !inslut mxldr |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | cafuego: dos4gw ? |
| 02:36.05 | Lee__ | !annoy mxldr |
| 02:36.06 | dpkg | mxldr: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 02:36.13 | anhi | re..sorry, my provider is currently working on my con :/ |
| 02:36.16 | jetscreamer | yeah! quake action! |
| 02:36.42 | cafuego | arkaoss: /etc/apache/httpd.conf and /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 02:36.51 | jetscreamer | god i miss pre-windows, there should have been linux instead of windows dammit |
| 02:36.56 | helpmeplz | does any one help me with a raidtools problem? i made 2 softraids and now its mounted ok.. the problem is to add these partitions /de/md0 and md1 to lilo.. |
| 02:37.10 | cafuego | arkaoss: it pays to be able to admin for REAl, as opposed to via web browser. |
| 02:37.26 | plasmatic1 | thanks jetscreamer for the dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename.deb |
| 02:37.27 | dpkg | plasmatic1: my pleasure |
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| 02:38.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:38.17 | dli | should modem present in "lspci" ? |
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| 02:38.18 | jetscreamer | been there and with that package iirc |
| 02:38.27 | jetscreamer | is it a pci modem? |
| 02:39.00 | vile_maxim | helpmeplz, does your kernel support raid |
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| 02:39.05 | arkaoss | thanks, that's why this is my hobby box, and why i don't currently have an IT job.... just a self taught gear monkey getting lost in the sea of computers ;-) |
| 02:39.11 | vile_maxim | helpmeplz, i.e. are you trying to do a root raid |
| 02:39.12 | jjazz | Is there any way to use the fish protocol from windows (or even better, from a dos command line)? |
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| 02:39.58 | jetscreamer | i don't see my amr modem that's turned off in bios, unless it's this unknown one |
| 02:40.11 | vile_maxim | arkaoss, I started out that way... it helps to see a working system sometimes :) |
| 02:40.17 | cafuego | helpmeplz: 'man lilo.conf', see raidâ€extraâ€boot= ... and you can just add boot=/dev/mdX and root=/dev/mdX to lilo.conf |
| 02:41.01 | arkaoss | while I'm at it .. i ought to look at the php config's and make sure I'm turning on the mysql stuff i'll need for the other half of this app eh? |
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| 02:42.13 | vile_maxim | arkaoss, I think it does it automaticly apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 02:42.21 | helpmeplz | cafuego i did it |
| 02:42.30 | helpmeplz | boot = /dev/md0 |
| 02:42.40 | helpmeplz | raid-extra-boot = /dev/sda |
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| 02:42.53 | helpmeplz | image = /boot/vmlinuz |
| 02:43.02 | helpmeplz | map = /boot/map |
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| 02:43.08 | helpmeplz | root = /dev/md0 |
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| 02:43.26 | helpmeplz | label = linux |
| 02:43.30 | helpmeplz | read-only |
| 02:43.33 | helpmeplz | thats all |
| 02:43.42 | vile_maxim | helpmeplz, is this a stable machine? |
| 02:43.43 | helpmeplz | try lilo.. so i get the msg |
| 02:43.50 | helpmeplz | vile_maxim yeah |
| 02:44.04 | helpmeplz | Fatal: map file must be on the boot RAID partition |
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| 02:45.06 | NarCoT | doneill: I installed nicotine, but I can't get it to connect... |
| 02:45.12 | arkaoss | vile that did a little somethin somethin |
| 02:45.21 | helpmeplz | i boot from cd and mount /dev/md0 in /raid and /dev/md1 on /boot |
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| 02:47.12 | omi | I'm having an issue with promise fastTrack 100 controller: I have two 100GB drives set up to do raid 0, fdisk sees entire 200 GB 'drive' but when I create a reiserfs partition on it, mount only sees 25 GB |
| 02:48.05 | vile_maxim | omi, I had that same problem... and it kept crashing... I switch over to 3ware... which does true hardware raid |
| 02:48.17 | stew | 3ware rocks |
| 02:48.28 | Flimzy | When encoding video at a VBR, does it make sense to specify both a minimum and maximum bitrate (as suggested by practically every online forum I've read), or is it better just to set a max bitrate (as suggested by ffmpeg)? |
| 02:48.40 | omi | vile_maxim, that's nice but I cannot buy anything at this moment since the promise cards were free |
| 02:48.42 | omi | :) |
| 02:48.54 | vile_maxim | helpmeplz, I'm not sure what's causing that problem, but I've googled it and it seems others are talking about it.... have you tried that route yet? |
| 02:49.17 | helpmeplz | vile_maxim just a few tries |
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| 02:50.08 | NarCoT | I have another PC in my network which runs Win. how do I communicate with it? |
| 02:50.18 | vile_maxim | omi, well, I would look for the latest drivers for promise... I seem to remember running accross the project recentily |
| 02:50.22 | maher | omi: if its fake raid is the driver source or binary? |
| 02:50.45 | pipeline | Flimzy: I see no reason to impose a minimum bitrate. |
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| 02:51.02 | nevyn | NarCoT: what do you mean by communicated |
| 02:51.03 | vile_maxim | omi, but you could always software riad... which some have told me is better anyway... those promise cards... at least when I tried then, were not real hardware raid anyway |
| 02:51.08 | helpmeplz | vile_maxim they had the same problem and i didnt find solution |
| 02:51.09 | omi | yeah |
| 02:51.21 | pipeline | omi: Don't use fasttrack cards RAID functionality -- it's terrible |
| 02:51.25 | omi | that's what I was thinking since I see hde and hdg as 100 gb |
| 02:51.31 | pipeline | omi: If you want RAID-0, use LVM. |
| 02:51.41 | Lee__ | kernel raid is fine |
| 02:51.46 | pipeline | It's better than fine |
| 02:51.50 | vile_maxim | helpmeplz, I've never had luck with root raids.... I would try creating a smallish /boot partition |
| 02:51.51 | pipeline | It actually performs pretty well |
| 02:51.59 | NarCoT | nevyn: I want to copy files from one to another |
| 02:51.59 | pipeline | and it's much easier to set up than hardware RAID |
| 02:52.05 | nevyn | I have root raid working. |
| 02:52.16 | nevyn | /boot is seperate tho. |
| 02:52.17 | Lee__ | and if yr really paranoid about data use raid-5 with three disks and make backups |
| 02:52.34 | nevyn | NarCoT: install and configure samba (assuming tcp/ip is working already) |
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| 02:53.01 | pipeline | NarCoT: Sometimes nicotine is slow to connect |
| 02:53.03 | helpmeplz | nevyn raid1? |
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| 02:53.06 | tomb0y | is it suggested to not do this? have a hardware raid card, setup 2 raid 0 arrays on it, then use lvm to merge them into one device. |
| 02:53.14 | nevyn | helpmeplz: raid0 |
| 02:53.15 | omi | is metadisk (MD) have anything to do with LVM or they are separate ? |
| 02:53.17 | pipeline | NarCoT: Try triggering the drop-down box and using one of the alternate servers. |
| 02:53.22 | nevyn | two 3.2gig disks |
| 02:53.32 | NarCoT | nevyn: TCP/IP is ok and I can ping the Win PC |
| 02:53.33 | peterS | tomb0y: raid 0 is a waste of a hardware raid card |
| 02:53.42 | pipeline | tomb0y: Is it actual hardware RAID, or is it software-assisted RAID? |
| 02:54.02 | arkaoss | i am looking at php.net's config page for an apache system of similar level as mine, and i seem to have everything set correctly, apache has all the lines for mod_php4 and php this and that.. and I have php.ini in .etc/php/apache is there some sort of "turn OFF" line in php.ini i need to comment? |
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| 02:54.04 | NarCoT | pipeline: I only have 2 servers is there any update list? |
| 02:54.07 | tomb0y | pipeline: rocketraid 454, so i believe its more software assisted raid |
| 02:54.31 | pipeline | NarCoT: That's all there should be. |
| 02:54.34 | vile_maxim | peterS, huh, why? |
| 02:54.44 | pipeline | tomb0y: Setting it up is a waste of your time, then. It will be no faster than doing it in software. It's just a headache. |
| 02:54.56 | peterS | vile_maxim: raid 0 doesn't require much processing beyond just sending data to the disk. no reason it can't be done in software |
| 02:55.02 | pipeline | tomb0y: Set it up to use LVM in the first place. |
| 02:55.18 | pipeline | tomb0y: I'm saying, use it as a dumb IDE controller (which is what it is anyway) |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | arkaoss: did you ask #php ? |
| 02:55.36 | arkaoss | kick me on my way out! |
| 02:55.43 | arkaoss | well not off the server! |
| 02:55.51 | Flimzy | pipeline: The only reason I'd see to impose a mimimum bitrate (and this comes from my vast lack of knoweldge of the subject) would be if the encoder for some reason was not good at mantaining a reasonable quality for some reason at low bitrates. i think I remember reading about early VBR MP3 encoders having problems like that, so ppl being encouraged to set a minimum bitrate of something like 64-128kbit |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | arkaoss: huh ? |
| 02:55.59 | peterS | vile_maxim: for the other raid levels, there *is* reason it makes sense to use a hardware raid card - CPU in some cases, I/O bandwidth in all cases - but raid 0 doesn't need any more CPU or I/O bandwidth than JBOD |
| 02:56.12 | tomb0y | pipeline: ive used lvm a lot, and just kinda annoys me after sometime. but what is advantage of just using lvm over raid0 via the card, and then lvm on top? |
| 02:56.22 | vile_maxim | peterS, gotcha.. I had set it up for my girlfriend who is a graphic designer... but that is on windows so.... |
| 02:56.28 | peterS | tomb0y: do you know what raid 0 is? |
| 02:56.31 | arkaoss | my channel name search on trillian gave me lip earlier when i went to search for chan's... thanks for tryin everyone! |
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| 02:56.47 | abrotman | raid0 is the closest to death your data could get other than a single drive :) |
| 02:57.03 | peterS | abrotman: raid 0 is closer to death than a single drive |
| 02:57.06 | vile_maxim | abrotman, lol |
| 02:57.07 | jetscreamer | irssi ate trillian for breakfast |
| 02:57.12 | peterS | abrotman: you've multiplied your vulnerability to disk failure by 2 |
| 02:57.29 | abrotman | peterS: i guess .. espeically if you just get one set of bad sectors .. you lose half of your files :) |
| 02:57.34 | jetscreamer | but there's a great chance they both won't go out |
| 02:57.38 | jetscreamer | at the same time |
| 02:57.39 | tomb0y | peters: yes and redundancy for my purpose is not needed |
| 02:57.41 | peterS | abrotman: no, you lose *all* your files |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's raid0 .. doesn't matter |
| 02:58.05 | jetscreamer | ah... i'm not good with numbers but i get your drift |
| 02:58.10 | tomb0y | peters: jbod is prob be fine for my purpose |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | peterS: i meant say 1 bad sector .. you wouldn't lose all your files |
| 02:58.21 | peterS | abrotman: ahh. perhaps. |
| 02:58.33 | peterS | tomb0y: so don't do any raid levels at all, just LVM |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: raid0 is striping with no parity .. no checksum .. no integrity |
| 02:58.39 | abrotman | no spell checker! |
| 02:58.51 | jetscreamer | no spell checker? well shit |
| 02:58.55 | simonrvn | oh no. raid with no spell checking. that sucks |
| 02:59.06 | alus | might as well be riad |
| 02:59.07 | peterS | tomb0y: you *can* put raid 0 underneath that, for speed, but it's simpler not to bother |
| 02:59.14 | moega | hi is there a linux equivalent to adobe professional where you can edit images layer by layer ? |
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| 02:59.20 | simonrvn | alus: exactly! |
| 02:59.20 | jetscreamer | gimp |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: anyone who runs RAID0 better have a damn good backup system .. or not value thier data |
| 02:59.27 | listen3r | how do i modify a files attribs? |
| 02:59.28 | alus | you mean adobe photoshop? |
| 02:59.34 | cafuego | fscking telstra |
| 02:59.38 | tomb0y | peters: yea a whole 5 min simpler lmao |
| 02:59.41 | jetscreamer | !tell moega about gimp |
| 02:59.43 | ApEtc | moega: Gimp |
| 02:59.53 | moega | adobe acrobat |
| 02:59.59 | jetscreamer | ah shit that's a bum factoid sorry moega |
| 02:59.59 | moega | not just reader |
| 03:00.03 | jetscreamer | use gimp |
| 03:00.09 | jetscreamer | !gimp |
| 03:00.09 | dpkg | [gimp] IF YOU WANT 2.0, INSTALL gimp1.3 IN SID! Even if it's called gimp 1.3, it's actually gimp2.0 pre4. Gay Indian Midget Pr0n. |
| 03:00.11 | cafuego | moega: Gimp opens Photoshop fielsa dn can edit by layer. |
| 03:00.11 | peterS | what's with people saying 'yea' in this day and age? That's Elizabethan English, I didn't expect to see people so educated here |
| 03:00.22 | cafuego | peterS: Verily. |
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| 03:00.25 | jetscreamer | !forget gimp |
| 03:00.25 | dpkg | i forgot gimp, jetscreamer |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | moega: gimp/inkscape/sodipodi .. depending on your needs |
| 03:00.41 | Thaiger | Is there a j2me sdk for linux? |
| 03:00.43 | simonrvn | blender |
| 03:00.48 | listen3r | how do i modify a files attribs? |
| 03:00.49 | maher | peterS: maybe they are just very old |
| 03:00.56 | peterS | maher: perhaps that's it |
| 03:01.01 | peterS | forsooth |
| 03:01.02 | simonrvn | !tell listen3r -about repeat |
| 03:01.02 | cafuego | peterS: I think it's more a matter of not knowing how to spell 'yeah'. |
| 03:01.15 | simonrvn | listen3r: explain |
| 03:01.19 | cafuego | !fsck tesltra again |
| 03:01.20 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/tesltra again : warning! filesystem contains morons! |
| 03:01.27 | tomb0y | peters: 1 question about lvm, is it recommened to create a partition first ie /dev/hdc1 then run pvcreate on top? or to just do pvcreate /dev/hdc ? |
| 03:01.28 | peterS | cafuego: I thought you were basically telstra-free |
| 03:01.30 | cafuego | How true! |
| 03:01.30 | jetscreamer | dpkg, gimp is <reply> The GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/ |
| 03:01.31 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 03:01.35 | moega | jetscreamer: the file has .pdf extension when i opened in gimp it only has one layer |
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| 03:01.45 | jetscreamer | moega, no idea |
| 03:01.50 | peterS | tomb0y: partition first. tools tend to understand your setup better. |
| 03:01.53 | jetscreamer | pdf? |
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| 03:01.57 | cafuego | peterS: Routing from my ISp to my hosting provider uses their infrastructure, and they're dicking around wit it atm. |
| 03:01.59 | jetscreamer | pdf is acrobat |
| 03:02.07 | rixth | Is there anyway to force apt-get to use Web sources? |
| 03:02.13 | NarCoT | nevyn: I installed samba, I can't figure how to configure it... |
| 03:02.16 | jetscreamer | web sources? |
| 03:02.21 | vile_maxim | jetscreamer, you got somehting against midget porn? |
| 03:02.21 | cafuego | peterS: couple of mins ago my screen session stopped and I got bounced in between adelaide and melbourne for 30 hops |
| 03:02.29 | omi | pipeline, where's some decent LVM doc for debian (right now I have a separate drive to boot from and 100 gig drives are just for storage, but I think soon I will boot just from the soft raid0) |
| 03:02.29 | peterS | cafuego: oh, lovely |
| 03:02.30 | maher | moega: do pdf's have layers? |
| 03:02.31 | nevyn | NarCoT: install swot |
| 03:02.34 | rixth | jetstreamer: ie, not CDs |
| 03:02.42 | NarCoT | nevyn: thanks |
| 03:02.42 | jetscreamer | vile_maxim, no i collect it and dont' want all the good stuff taken |
| 03:02.58 | moega | maher, i'm not familiar with filetypes |
| 03:02.58 | cafuego | omi: raid0 is bad. |
| 03:02.58 | vile_maxim | ;) |
| 03:03.01 | listen3r | i need to change the attributes of a file |
| 03:03.04 | pipeline | omi: The standard lvm howto explains it nicely. Alternatively, the sarge installer's partition editor will allow you to set up and boot from LVM graphically. |
| 03:03.12 | cafuego | listen3r: lsattr/chattr |
| 03:03.21 | NarCoT | nevyn: I 'apt-cache search swot' gave me nothing |
| 03:03.31 | pipeline | omi: The great thing about LVM is that it allows you to move the fuck away from striping later when you get the money to set up a RAID-5 or RAID-1 array. |
| 03:03.37 | cafuego | NarCoT: Comes with samba, runs from inetd. |
| 03:03.42 | NarCoT | pipeline: Nicotine still 'Listening on port 2234...' |
| 03:03.49 | cafuego | NarCoT: Actually, never mind, I'm blind ;-) |
| 03:03.51 | jetscreamer | rixth, yeah, try apt-spy, or backup your /etc/apt/sources.list and check out http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt |
| 03:03.52 | pipeline | NarCoT: Do you have the ports forwarded? |
| 03:04.12 | maher | moega: you can add new layers - but i don't know if pdf's are layerd in the way you want |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | stew: how much snow did you get? |
| 03:04.13 | jetscreamer | try swat not swot? |
| 03:04.20 | NarCoT | cafuego: what ? |
| 03:04.31 | NarCoT | pipeline: yes |
| 03:04.34 | jetscreamer | ooo col i didn't know pdf's had layers |
| 03:04.36 | rixth | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 03:04.41 | cafuego | NarCoT: Actually, it was YOUR typo not my mistale. use swat, runs from inetd. |
| 03:05.28 | NarCoT | pipeline: I opened them in my Router. Do I have to do something in Linux too ? |
| 03:05.37 | NarCoT | cafuego: :) ok |
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| 03:05.43 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah, pdf is a vector format at heart, so stuff is drawn onto a page piece by piece. in that sense you can overlay several images on top of each other and call it 'layers' |
| 03:05.56 | jetscreamer | oh rixth do apt-get update after you edit it |
| 03:06.08 | pipeline | NarCoT: Nope. The server just must not be answering. |
| 03:06.18 | pipeline | NarCoT: It goes down for maintenance often. |
| 03:06.38 | moega | peterS: is there a way to edit that ? |
| 03:06.47 | pipeline | NarCoT: I'm connected to server.slsknet.org:2240 |
| 03:07.01 | maher | moega: probably not - where did you get this pdf from? |
| 03:07.03 | peterS | moega: I don't know how to edit a PDF. tools exist but I don't know if any good ones are free |
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| 03:07.11 | NarCoT | pipeline: But only 2 servers? Isn't amule better ? |
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| 03:07.50 | pipeline | NarCoT: They're both networks of servers. And amule is a mule network, meaning it's crap. |
| 03:08.04 | moega | peterS, maher, ic i m gonna search a little bit more then |
| 03:08.08 | moega | peterS, maher, thx |
| 03:08.13 | travisat | moega: convert the pdf to ps and then edit the ps and then convert it back to pdf |
| 03:08.29 | NarCoT | pipeline: Do I have to enter something in User:PWD ? |
| 03:08.42 | moega | travisat, using ps2pdf ? |
| 03:08.43 | listen3r | i do ls -l and one of the files returns -rw-r--r-- how can i change it to be -rwxr-xr-x |
| 03:08.50 | arkaoss | is there a debian package that installs mod_php for apache? |
| 03:08.55 | maher | moega: travisat that probably won't help |
| 03:08.56 | travisat | moega: just an idea, never tried it |
| 03:09.21 | maher | arkaoss: yes |
| 03:09.25 | moega | travisat, i'll try that thx |
| 03:09.33 | stew | abrotman: about 6 inches, its all gone now though |
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| 03:09.39 | jazzmans | I can't seem to get the syntax of scp down, if I have a machine named john-stewart, with a user name of bob; and a machine named daily-show, with a user name of bill, how do I scp files from john-stewart to daily-show? |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | stew: mine isn't! |
| 03:10.07 | stew | abrotman: well its not *all* gone, but it sure doens't look like we got 6 inches |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | stew: i had a snow day today |
| 03:10.23 | arkaoss | maher... can you name it for me? i've just tried googling it.. and i've installed a zillion php related things tonite.. and nothing seems to add that.. |
| 03:10.35 | stew | i was hoping to go skiing today but it looking bad by afternoon |
| 03:10.45 | Lee__ | arkaoss: apt-get install php4 |
| 03:10.52 | maher | arkaoss: did you try going to packages.debian.org and searching there |
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| 03:11.06 | jazzmans | i have no problem ssh -l into any machine, I just can't seem to copy files with scp. |
| 03:11.22 | maher | jazzmans: scp file user@host:path |
| 03:11.33 | Lee__ | !tell arkaoss about php |
| 03:11.38 | listen3r | i do ls -l and one of the files returns -rw-r--r-- how can i change it to be -rwxr-xr-x |
| 03:11.39 | jazzmans | that's it? thanks maher. |
| 03:12.10 | maher | jazzmans: assuming you're logged in to one of the machines |
| 03:12.24 | Lee__ | jazzanova_: if you have a fance desktop system like gnome or kde you can give the file browser sftp://user@host URLs |
| 03:12.26 | NarCoT | cafuego: about swat, how exectly should I use it ? |
| 03:12.36 | Lee__ | NarCoT: by reading the instructions |
| 03:12.41 | jetscreamer | heh they packaged azureus |
| 03:12.53 | arkaoss | lee the php guys tell me its an apache problem, the apache guys say i don't have all my modules(or is it marbles) |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | stew: bummer |
| 03:12.54 | Lee__ | !tell NarCoT about samba |
| 03:13.04 | maher | arkaoss: have you installed php4 |
| 03:13.09 | jetscreamer | holy fuck java |
| 03:13.12 | Lee__ | arkaoss: then reinstall and try it again |
| 03:13.20 | arkaoss | yea and php4-mysql |
| 03:13.38 | maher | arkaoss: did you read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php4 |
| 03:13.49 | NarCoT | Lee__: thank you ! |
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| 03:13.56 | karsten | </troll> ;-) |
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| 03:14.13 | sciboy | How do i clear my DNS cache? |
| 03:14.21 | Lee__ | !start an os war |
| 03:14.22 | dpkg | HURD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 03:14.38 | karsten | sciboy: SWAG: stop & retart? |
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| 03:14.45 | karsten | sciboy: s/tart/start/ |
| 03:14.47 | Lee__ | sciboy: stop the daemon and delete the files or just wait until the TTL expires on cached names. |
| 03:14.57 | karsten | Lee__: _what_ files? |
| 03:14.59 | sciboy | Ok... =/ |
| 03:15.07 | sciboy | Restart. |
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| 03:15.35 | arkaoss | maher.. forgot to finish reading that, plz excuse me while i go do that... thanks for reminding me |
| 03:15.37 | Lee__ | the cached files. they are there somewhere. I just never looked. |
| 03:15.47 | factor | is anyone else having problems with debian unstable not working in xinerama mode? |
| 03:16.12 | factor | This is the line running X |
| 03:16.14 | factor | /usr/X11R6/bin/X +xinerama -nolisten tcp vt7 -auth/var/run/xauth/A |
| 03:16.19 | karsten | abrotman: 56 A, if you need to know. |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:16.23 | factor | I use KDE |
| 03:16.38 | factor | does kde need certian xinerama options? |
| 03:16.42 | abrotman | though . it probably wasn't funny at all :) |
| 03:16.50 | Segers_J | how do I translate from lspci output to XFree86config-4 form? I've got my gfx card on 0000:01:00.0 according to lspci. |
| 03:17.00 | karsten | abrotman: Well, now that you mention it.... |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | yeah .. didn't think so |
| 03:17.25 | maher | Segers_J: you on;y need to if you have ppc or more than one card |
| 03:17.31 | rixth | Does anyone know of a driver/how to get TDK's range of Mojo MP3 players working/showing up as a USB disk? |
| 03:17.35 | Fluten | hmm, i encoded an audio file on my pentium 166, which ends up taking 121 seconds. i then do it on my pentium 2 333, that says 133mhz in /proc/cpuinfo, but 333 in the bios, and comes out to 125 seconds. should the pentium 2 be much higher than the pentium 1? |
| 03:17.44 | karsten | abrotman: ...though I've had more cleavage than several grilfs... |
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| 03:17.53 | Fluten | (er, much lower encoding time) |
| 03:17.55 | Segers_J | maher: ok, deleting. brb. |
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| 03:18.18 | karsten | Fluten: Depends. What's load, disk i/o, utilization. |
| 03:18.20 | jetscreamer | which/what jre |
| 03:18.25 | rbrenart | Everytime I suspend my laptop it wakes up with the clock fast. It's exactly as fast as the amount of time the laptop was suspended... it's only the system clock, the hwclock stays correct. |
| 03:18.31 | Fluten | karsten, i'm doing it based on the times given in top |
| 03:18.33 | karsten | Fluten: ...though encoding should be CPU intensive. |
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| 03:18.41 | [7s]komseh | what package is smbmount located in> |
| 03:18.53 | karsten | rbrenart: I've heard of that one, don't recall the fix.... |
| 03:18.57 | jetscreamer | rbrenart, i've seen somebody say that before.. idunno how to fix it, but it's a known-ish thing |
| 03:18.58 | maher | [7s]komseh: if you go to packages.debian.org you can search for it |
| 03:18.58 | abrotman | karsten: ok .. i think TMI . not sure :) |
| 03:18.59 | karsten | !tell [7s]komseh about search |
| 03:19.01 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 03:19.01 | Segers_J | maher: many thanks, that's just what I needed to know :) |
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| 03:19.08 | arkaoss | this doc says my apache is configured right.. i'm gonna go bug the guys in PHP some more... |
| 03:19.11 | [7s]komseh | thx |
| 03:19.19 | rbrenart | Only happens with the 2.6.10 kernel... is fine with my 2.6.8 kernel (but alot of other stuff is broken there) |
| 03:19.33 | maher | Segers_J: it dos say that on somewhere (maybe on the screen before) |
| 03:19.39 | karsten | abrotman: That was *before* I started taking hormone treatments.... |
| 03:19.42 | jetscreamer | !jre |
| 03:19.42 | factor | [7s]komseh:smbfs |
| 03:19.42 | dpkg | it has been said that jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says ... |
| 03:19.48 | karsten | abrotman: ...in fact, now that I think about it... |
| 03:19.53 | karsten | abrotman: ...I still haven't started... |
| 03:19.59 | karsten | abrotman: ...nor do I really have plans to do so. |
| 03:20.13 | Lee__ | let's say I'm removing xfree from my system. After doing that there are still files in /etc/X11 would it be stuipd to remove them? |
| 03:20.18 | abrotman | karsten: my brother had a housemate they used to joke around and call 'tits' .. nice kid . funny joke .. much funnier when they found out he had been accidentally taking his mother's estrogen pills |
| 03:20.30 | Thaiger | Lee__ did you apt-get remove or purge it? |
| 03:20.39 | karsten | abrotman: Oh shit. |
| 03:20.45 | Lee__ | Thaiger: purge |
| 03:20.48 | abrotman | karsten: indeed :) |
| 03:20.53 | maher | abrotman: how can you accidentally take your mum's oestrogen pills? |
| 03:21.00 | karsten | abrotman: There's a blog page up about a woman (SF dyke) who's been experimenting with T for a few weeks. |
| 03:21.04 | EvanCarroll | i was just about to ask the same thing.. |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | maher: notice ..i said nice kid .. not smart kid .. he also discharged a firearm inside my brother's house |
| 03:21.19 | karsten | abrotman: Most of mine was just a hell of a lot of competitive swimming. |
| 03:21.46 | karsten | abrotman: was it an honorable or dishonorable discharge? |
| 03:21.47 | jetscreamer | what do i use for a jre |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | karsten: that will do it |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | karsten: drunken |
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| 03:22.05 | Lee__ | !tell jetscreamer about java |
| 03:22.20 | karsten | abrotman: ...and was he disrepecting hospital workers? |
| 03:22.26 | karsten | abrotman: ...diss orderly? |
| 03:22.36 | karsten | abrotman: ...I'll be here all week. |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | wrong wrong wrong |
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| 03:22.49 | pipeline | karsten: Don't forget "other than honourable" |
| 03:22.58 | dell | I'm having a problem loading an linux system on my laptop. I have a e-machines with a amd 64 processor..help. |
| 03:23.18 | abrotman | it's a dell .. they suck |
| 03:23.25 | maher | dell: shouldn't your nick be emachines then? |
| 03:23.29 | karsten | pipeline: If you're on her, ah, bull, you're *way* wilder than I ever was. |
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| 03:23.42 | Segers_J | dell: try stating your actual problem. |
| 03:24.01 | Lee__ | I hate when Linux won't load on a laptop |
| 03:24.03 | dell | no its just my name is dale.. |
| 03:24.20 | jetscreamer | we have a street named dell dale |
| 03:24.25 | EvanCarroll | dear god, what is the abosolute simplist MTA to set up? |
| 03:24.26 | jetscreamer | do you live on it? |
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| 03:24.29 | jetscreamer | exim |
| 03:24.30 | EvanCarroll | and so god help me if you answer exim |
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| 03:24.31 | Lee__ | EvanCarr1ll: none! |
| 03:24.33 | EvanCarroll | bastard. |
| 03:24.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:24.38 | Lee__ | !start an mta war |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | postfix has an evil license |
| 03:24.42 | jetscreamer | not exim4 |
| 03:24.58 | EvanCarroll | ive been trying to set up exim now for 10hrs |
| 03:25.00 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Um. There's some simple SMTPs which basically just find your smarthost. |
| 03:25.01 | jazzmans | maher: thanks a lot, I always seem to miss the (username@) part of the man page for scp. |
| 03:25.25 | maher | EvanCarroll: do you have a complicated setup? |
| 03:25.28 | jetscreamer | i tried to uninstall exim4 and install exim... it seems to not be loading now... i'll get around to messin with it one day |
| 03:25.29 | EvanCarroll | all i want exim to do, is catch from smtp and dump to /${home}/Maildir |
| 03:25.31 | Lee__ | EvanCarr1ll: I'd recommend sendmail but I'm weird. |
| 03:25.35 | EvanCarroll | not to complex, won't work though |
| 03:25.53 | listen3r | i do ls -l and one of the files returns -rw-r--r-- how can i change it to be -rwxr-xr-x |
| 03:25.53 | karsten | EvanCarroll: exim should be pretty basic. 3 or 4? |
| 03:25.57 | EvanCarroll | 4 |
| 03:25.57 | Lee__ | It's got devent docu and can do anything |
| 03:26.08 | EvanCarroll | its not basic at all, the conf file in exim is so absolutly shitty. |
| 03:26.15 | Lee__ | *decent |
| 03:26.16 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Take a look at ssmtp |
| 03:26.29 | Lee__ | !tell listen3r about chmod |
| 03:26.45 | karsten | EvanCarroll: AFAIU, exim's config utility pretty much walks you through, holds your hand, and rubs you special if you ask. |
| 03:26.47 | listen3r | thanks Lee__ |
| 03:27.32 | Lee__ | and Sendmail's charges at you with a giant spear and smacks you on the ass if you dodge it. |
| 03:27.44 | factor | how do I check kde to see if it has the xinerama option compiled in? |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 03:27.55 | rbrenart | So I think I found the solution to my clock problem posted here... http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00609.html but I have no idea how to implement it, can anyone help? |
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| 03:28.45 | factor | thanks abrotman |
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| 03:28.53 | EvanCarroll | karsten: you mean the debian exim config thing? that consists of 3 questions |
| 03:29.18 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Yeah. Though I haven't dealt with exim4 yet, just exim3 |
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| 03:29.32 | maher | EvanCarroll: : did you try editting the local delivery stanza |
| 03:29.33 | EvanCarroll | karsten: no its useless |
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| 03:29.58 | EvanCarroll | maher: yes about 15times, my conf files are live on evancarroll.com i sym linked them |
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| 03:30.52 | EvanCarroll | update-exim4.conf.conf (two .confs don't ask me) exim4.conf.template |
| 03:31.05 | WE_R_DNA | What type of yahoo client would i need to hear sound? |
| 03:31.21 | EvanCarroll | ...yahoo client? |
| 03:31.24 | karsten | rbrenart: Sounds like you either want to patch your kernel or find a patched one.... |
| 03:31.24 | EvanCarroll | you mean y! |
| 03:31.38 | EvanCarroll | gaim has sound support |
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| 03:31.43 | [FRE | hola |
| 03:31.45 | [FRE | a todos |
| 03:31.54 | [FRE | pribando el kanopxxis |
| 03:31.55 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: Um. Pardon? Chat client? |
| 03:31.58 | EvanCarroll | !tell [FRE about es |
| 03:31.59 | [FRE | algun hispano que |
| 03:32.14 | rbrenart | karsten: Would that require a recompile? |
| 03:32.29 | karsten | rbrenart: Yes. |
| 03:32.34 | WE_R_DNA | yes karsten I would like to listen to people spinning live music in chatrooms |
| 03:32.44 | karsten | rbrenart: ...well, not if a stock Debian kernel's been backported. |
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| 03:33.02 | maher | EvanCarroll: did you see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/06/msg04010.html |
| 03:33.02 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: Gaim's your client. Not sure of its capabilities. |
| 03:33.08 | rbrenart | karsten: screw it, I'll just wait for 2.6.11... thanks |
| 03:33.34 | WE_R_DNA | karsten, it doesn't allow it :( |
| 03:33.35 | WE_R_DNA | sucks |
| 03:34.09 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: File a wishlist bug. |
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| 03:34.22 | karsten | rbrenart: Yeah. I don't see 2.6.10 in Debian yet. |
| 03:34.31 | rbrenart | It's in sid |
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| 03:34.42 | karsten | rbrenart: Alternatively, get the latest sources, get the patch, apply it, and use your current config to build. |
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| 03:34.56 | karsten | rbrenart: I haven't done an apt-get update for a couple days.... |
| 03:35.23 | EvanCarroll | mahar, yes i have ill do it again and restart exim though - didn't work last time =/ |
| 03:35.31 | rbrenart | karsten: I have the 2.6.10 compiled for at least a month... but from apt-get'd source... either way, I don't have the energy to figure out how to patch a kernel tonight... at least I know what I need to do if i want to though. Thanks |
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| 03:35.50 | karsten | rbrenart: NP. |
| 03:36.07 | mike2423 | i can't ssh to my debian computer, i restarted sshd and still doesn't work, i can transfer files via samba just fine though |
| 03:36.15 | mike2423 | anything else i can try |
| 03:36.19 | EvanCarroll | maher: m pretty sure thats exim3 or even 2 =/ |
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| 03:36.42 | maher | EvanCarroll: i assumed you were on exim3 - never mind |
| 03:36.45 | Lee__ | I have no device called /dev/psaux but I have a PS/2 mouse. To make it more fun, I have udev. Any advice where to point XF86Config to find a mouse? |
| 03:37.12 | maher | mike2423: use netstat -pant on to see if sshd is listening |
| 03:37.18 | mike2423 | k |
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| 03:38.13 | EvanCarroll | maher: any other ideas? |
| 03:38.47 | maher | EvanCarroll: i'm using exim3 - but i've never changed the local delivery stuff |
| 03:39.16 | maher | EvanCarroll: turn on max log level and stare at the output |
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| 03:40.23 | cygout | Lee__: /dev/MAKEDEV psaux ? |
| 03:40.32 | mxldr | hey- where can i find libssh.h? |
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| 03:40.39 | abrotman | !tell mxldr about search |
| 03:40.50 | abrotman | i can make a guess |
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| 03:41.19 | EvanCarroll | maher: tried that, i just want it to work with courier-imap |
| 03:41.27 | resiak | Lee__: modprobe mousedev |
| 03:41.38 | resiak | Lee__: In any case, /dev/input/mice |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | mxldr: shouldn't that be libssl.h ? |
| 03:41.43 | resiak | !/dev/input/mice |
| 03:41.44 | dpkg | /dev/input/mice is probably mkdir /dev/input; mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 03:41.52 | resiak | !dev-input-mice |
| 03:41.55 | abrotman | !bed resiak |
| 03:41.56 | EvanCarroll | maher: its to bad a system as powerfull as exim coulden't spend 5minutes to design a resonable conf file that thing is rediciolus |
| 03:41.57 | resiak | Where is it... |
| 03:42.02 | simonrvn | !sleep resiak |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 03:42.04 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, ... |
| 03:42.08 | abrotman | resiak: that one ? |
| 03:42.16 | resiak | abrotman: No |
| 03:42.21 | mxldr | I already did apt-cache search libssh |
| 03:42.23 | mxldr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.24 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 03:42.24 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 03:42.35 | sdogi | damn, i talked 2 hours with smartasses who wanted to bash me on every corner |
| 03:42.42 | abrotman | mxldr: that file isn't in debian afaict ... |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | mxldr: are you sure that's what you need ? |
| 03:42.49 | simonrvn | resiak: hint: listvals or listkeys. keys is a factoid search, vals is a factoid content search |
| 03:42.59 | cafuego | Hmm. OSX is my friend :-)) |
| 03:43.07 | resiak | simonrvn: I just did that, and in fact run my own blootbot, but thanks :) |
| 03:43.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: good for you |
| 03:43.20 | simonrvn | resiak: :) |
| 03:43.28 | mxldr | abrotman: because i am HaXXoring your box |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | cafuego: #osx |
| 03:43.36 | abrotman | mxldr: not likely .. |
| 03:43.36 | maher | EvanCarroll: how about http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.html |
| 03:43.40 | simonrvn | am not |
| 03:43.42 | cafuego | resiak: Pfff. |
| 03:43.43 | mxldr | j/k |
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| 03:44.00 | ryan_ | Is there any way to get linux to honor the SUID bit on shell scripts? |
| 03:44.01 | simonrvn | but thanks anyway :) |
| 03:44.07 | cafuego | abrotman: I am h4x00rz|ng y00r box. |
| 03:44.09 | simonrvn | ryan_: no |
| 03:44.13 | mike2423 | maher: SSHD is running on port 22. The weird thing is, I can't ping the computer but I can transfer files to it with samba |
| 03:44.25 | abrotman | cafuego: oh good ... i need a reason to visit .au and kick your damn ass! :) |
| 03:44.28 | mike2423 | both comps are on the same linksys router |
| 03:44.30 | cafuego | ryan_: No, you can run them through a (protected) suid shell, though. |
| 03:44.38 | cafuego | abrotman: My ass isn't damned, thanks. |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | cafuego: it will be when i'm done :) |
| 03:44.49 | ryan_ | cafuego, such as? |
| 03:44.50 | karsten | What are some cool graphics apps, *other* than the GIMP? Demo for HS kids. |
| 03:44.51 | simonrvn | haha |
| 03:44.57 | karsten | PoVRay, other raytracers? |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | karsten: sodipodi! |
| 03:45.05 | simonrvn | karsten: ends in paint IIRC |
| 03:45.15 | simonrvn | karsten: kpovmodeler |
| 03:45.34 | cafuego | ryan_: copy bash to /usr/local/sbin/suidshell; make sure it's mode 4750; owned by root:groupwithsuidaccess; make your script run through 8that* shell. |
| 03:45.34 | karsten | abrotman: Wozzat? |
| 03:45.36 | travisat | karsten: inkscape is good |
| 03:45.39 | karsten | abrotman: ...and what's it's bra size? |
| 03:45.43 | ryan_ | I'd use sudo, but I need to run commands as a specific user, instead of root. |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | !info sodipodi |
| 03:45.49 | dpkg | sodipodi: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.34-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 965 kB, Installed size: 3572 kB |
| 03:45.49 | cafuego | ryan_: Mind you, it means that in theory ANYONE in that group magically gets root. |
| 03:45.57 | abrotman | karsten: lots of fun to play with |
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| 03:46.15 | karsten | abrotman: Is there a demo mode? |
| 03:46.20 | cafuego | ryan_: 'sudo su - user -c command.sh' |
| 03:46.23 | abrotman | karsten: you drawing :) |
| 03:46.24 | karsten | abrotman: ...and how badly will it choke on 96 MB RAM? |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | karsten: oh jeez .. dunno |
| 03:46.35 | abrotman | karsten: it's a gnome app |
| 03:46.38 | ryan_ | cafuego, that seems convoluted |
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| 03:46.52 | cafuego | ryan_: sudo -u command.sh |
| 03:46.52 | abrotman | karsten: but it is damn fun to play with :) |
| 03:46.53 | karsten | abrotman: You *don't* want to see me drawing.... |
| 03:46.55 | ryan_ | I'd rather have a script that's suid the user I want |
| 03:47.01 | cafuego | ryan_: sudo -u user command.sh even |
| 03:47.13 | karsten | abrotman: I do my best work wearing... um.... nevermind. |
| 03:47.20 | ryan_ | oh, sudo allows specifying users? |
| 03:47.28 | karsten | abrotman: Well, ok, I'll tell but just you... |
| 03:47.29 | ryan_ | I did not know that |
| 03:47.32 | ryan_ | that would work. |
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| 03:47.37 | cafuego | ryan_: Then you need to have a shell that suid that user (or maybe try suidperl, just write a wrapper) |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
| 03:47.41 | karsten | abrotman: ...fleece sweats. |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | karsten: it's actually quite a fun app to play with IMO .. |
| 03:48.01 | mike2423 | ok |
| 03:48.04 | mike2423 | got it |
| 03:48.05 | karsten | Um. layout program. S... ? |
| 03:48.10 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 03:48.16 | mike2423 | ip changed from .103 to .105 |
| 03:48.16 | bourne_again | Hey I looked on the debian site and couldn't find this info, otherwise I wouldn't ask, but I'm just wondering . . . what kernal version does the newest debian version come with? |
| 03:48.24 | mike2423 | old router never did that |
| 03:48.27 | abrotman | bourne_again: which debian ? |
| 03:48.27 | karsten | abrotman: It's the Adobe / Quark killer |
| 03:48.36 | bourne_again | abrotman: Whatever the newest stable release is. |
| 03:48.37 | karsten | abrotman: My mind is going, going.... |
| 03:48.41 | ryan_ | cafuego, my intermediary solution was to copy bash to /usr/local/bin/suid-svn and chmod 4750 it. |
| 03:48.42 | resiak | bourne_again: You don't mean that. |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | karsten: dunno if i'd go that far .. also lok at inkscape |
| 03:48.46 | karsten | bourne_again: Yes. |
| 03:48.48 | abrotman | and scribus |
| 03:48.53 | jetscreamer | bourne_again, that would be 2.4.18 :) |
| 03:48.57 | ryan_ | sudo is better though, as it has logging. |
| 03:48.59 | karsten | bourne_again: Up through 2.6.8 currently, 2.6.10 in sid. |
| 03:49.01 | abrotman | bourne_again: newest stable is woody .. 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 03:49.03 | jetscreamer | but sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 03:49.05 | karsten | abrotman: scribus, thanks. |
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| 03:49.20 | bourne_again | k thanks guys. |
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| 03:49.35 | jetscreamer | bourne_again, d-i for desktop, woody for server |
| 03:49.35 | ryan_ | nice bit of CYA if out programmers manage to break our svn repositories. |
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| 03:49.42 | jetscreamer | !tell bourne_again about d-i |
| 03:49.48 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 03:49.51 | CrazyTB | People!!!! I have one good thing I just discovered!!!!! |
| 03:49.59 | resiak | !ep |
| 03:50.00 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | CrazyTB: super low prices at wal-mart ? |
| 03:50.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge discover ? |
| 03:50.20 | karsten | CrazyTB: Bangs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | pauly shore is not the best actor of the 20th century ? |
| 03:50.26 | CrazyTB | You can run FireFox even with glibc 2.3.1! |
| 03:50.39 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 03:50.42 | resiak | OMFGLOLLYROFL!!!!11111111onceonze111 |
| 03:50.46 | helix | um |
| 03:50.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:50.51 | ryan_ | wow. |
| 03:50.54 | helix | stop, kthx |
| 03:50.57 | karsten | abrotman: Oh my *ghod*, I, like, so *wanted* to *totally* die! |
| 03:51.07 | ryan_ | did the average IQ in here just drop 20 points? |
| 03:51.08 | resiak | karsten: Get back to LiveJournal :) |
| 03:51.10 | jetscreamer | !stop |
| 03:51.11 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 03:51.11 | abrotman | every time helix goes "um" .. i feel like i just burped at the dinner table |
| 03:51.17 | karsten | helix: as you wish. |
| 03:51.25 | listen3r | how do you update kernel? ive got 2.4 |
| 03:51.26 | karsten | resiak: Muwah! |
| 03:51.28 | helix | well, I look in here sometimes and it's turned into kindergarten |
| 03:51.29 | CrazyTB | What do you think about this? |
| 03:51.40 | resiak | listen3r: Are you on Sarge? |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | helix: sometimes .. it does |
| 03:51.46 | listen3r | yes |
| 03:51.50 | karsten | listen3r: aptitude install kernel-image-<version> |
| 03:51.51 | jetscreamer | listen3r, apt-cache search kernel-image , apt-get install one |
| 03:51.51 | abrotman | helix: but it's not my fault this time! |
| 03:51.52 | helix | resiak is currently listening to NIN - head like a hole and feeling: empty |
| 03:51.59 | ryan_ | listen3r: apt-cache search kernel-imagel, then apt-get install the one you want. |
| 03:52.15 | resiak | helix: Right band, actually. |
| 03:52.18 | resiak | :) |
| 03:52.23 | helix | haha |
| 03:52.25 | FUF | !find makeinfo |
| 03:52.30 | resiak | !win helix |
| 03:52.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, helix! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:52.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'makeinfo' (5 of 7): (/usr/bin/makeinfo) in text/texinfo ;; (/usr/share/sendmail/cf/sh/makeinfo.sh) in mail/sendmail-cf ;; (/usr/share/emacs/21.3/lisp/textmodes/makeinfo.el) in editors/emacs21-el ;; (/usr/share/emacs/21.3/lisp/textmodes/makeinfo.elc) in editors/emacs21-common ;; ... |
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| 03:53.40 | resiak | (Collective #debian IQ) += 30 |
| 03:53.45 | listen3r | i got -speakeasy now with sarge what should i be updating to? i don't know which to pick |
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| 03:54.25 | ryan_ | resiak: that doesn't help much, there's 750 people in here. |
| 03:54.29 | cg0def | in order to get pcmcia sound card working do I have to apply any patches? |
| 03:54.35 | karsten | resiak: It's improved! |
| 03:54.36 | cg0def | it is supported by alsa |
| 03:54.53 | listen3r | i got -speakup now with sarge what should i be updating to? i don't know which to pick (kernel) |
| 03:55.00 | karsten | helix: If you want to feel like we're acting all mature and stuff, hang out in #ubuntu for a while. |
| 03:55.01 | EvanCarroll | between exim and dpkg being fucktarded i swear im going to kill someone |
| 03:55.05 | EvanCarroll | this is horseshit |
| 03:55.22 | helix | karsten: heh, no kidding |
| 03:55.22 | simonrvn | helix: hello :) |
| 03:55.22 | helix | #ubuntu is a nightmare |
| 03:55.22 | helix | hey simonrvn :) |
| 03:55.28 | harryvv | been a while reading floppy media from fat and ext2 what format should i format the floppy so both Os can read it. |
| 03:55.38 | karsten | EvanCarroll: wait, I'll overnight you my ex. |
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| 03:55.53 | EvanCarroll | karsten: you fix exim4 and we have a deal |
| 03:55.54 | resiak | harryvv: Think about it for a few moments. Does Win32 do ext2? Does Linux do vfat? |
| 03:55.54 | cg0def | harryvv: vfat |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | EvanCarr1ll: postfix! |
| 03:56.05 | harryvv | k |
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| 03:56.09 | karsten | harryvv: w/ 'auto' in /etc/fstab, search order is first existing of /etc/filesystems or /proc/filesystems |
| 03:56.10 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: considering it |
| 03:56.34 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Hrm. Does "too broken to worry about" count as fixed? |
| 03:56.34 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: however replacing bad with worse only sounds like a sound decision when your fed up with 'bad' |
| 03:56.35 | cg0def | resiak: oh yeah and there is a tool for win32 that reads ext2 |
| 03:56.37 | karsten | EvanCarroll: What's not working? |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | EvanCarr1ll: i find postfix to be better |
| 03:56.59 | resiak | cg0def: Yes, I know, but can it _write_ it? |
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| 03:57.06 | cg0def | resiak: yes |
| 03:57.09 | EvanCarroll | karsten: ok simple job, get mail from smpt, move it to $HOME/Mailfolder, and exim4, keeps giving me the middle finger =/ |
| 03:57.13 | resiak | cg0def: News to me. |
| 03:57.15 | cg0def | resiak: but it's slow as hell |
| 03:57.19 | karsten | harryvv: Otherwise, typically floppies get vfat for portability between Linux, Windows, and Mac systems. Otherwise, you could format minix or even ext2 if you wanted, though there's no real win. |
| 03:57.24 | resiak | cg0def: More to the point, is it installed in general? :) |
| 03:57.26 | simonrvn | EvanCarroll: like this? ,.|.. :P |
| 03:57.52 | karsten | EvanCarroll: nn!nn |
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| 03:57.59 | cg0def | resiak: well I'm not arguing plus I have only seen one of the people that I work with using it |
| 03:58.03 | harryvv | karsten i have it as ext2 |
| 03:58.06 | karsten | simonrvn: Bunchajokahs. |
| 03:58.09 | resiak | cg0def: Heh, fair enough. |
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| 03:58.24 | karsten | harryvv: You've formatted the floppy as, or /etc/fstab specifies? |
| 03:58.25 | simonrvn | karsten: ratha' |
| 03:58.25 | listen3r | i got 2.4.27-speakup now with sarge what should i be updating to? i don't know which to pick (kernel) |
| 03:58.51 | EvanCarroll | simonrvn: more like this: Conf file ok! Syntax ok! You clearly communicate what you want me to do, good job user! NONONONONONONO NOT DOING IT! |
| 03:58.51 | d03boy | I get the lilo error "LI" on boot, but it was working fine before. How could lilo all of a sudden take up more than 1024 cylinders on the hd? |
| 03:58.51 | karsten | harryvv: For most purposes, 'auto' in /etc/fstab, and 'vfat' for the disk itself. |
| 03:58.51 | resiak | listen3r: kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 03:58.51 | simonrvn | EvanCarroll: hehehe |
| 03:58.51 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Logs? |
| 03:58.52 | simonrvn | !li |
| 03:58.53 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try ... |
| 03:59.05 | harryvv | kar, no but i know what your talking about. this is only a one time thing. |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | EvanCarr1ll: sendmail ? :) |
| 03:59.22 | EvanCarroll | karsten: i go them just a bunch of fun ips and msg headers my panic log is empty |
| 03:59.23 | cg0def | resiak: the guy loves VS6 and had to be able to read files from the linux partitions so he was saying that it works fine for small tasks |
| 03:59.23 | d03boy | ha... |
| 03:59.28 | d03boy | maybe I should run lilo |
| 03:59.34 | karsten | d03boy: My current pref is GRUB. For LILO you've got some options to specify large drive support, etc. |
| 03:59.39 | harryvv | karsten im going to edit it as it is ext2 |
| 03:59.43 | d03boy | its no a large drive though |
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| 03:59.58 | abrotman | define large |
| 04:00.12 | karsten | harryvv: Start defining "it" or losing "it" from your vocabulary. |
| 04:00.15 | EvanCarroll | it was about exim4 being a prick |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | the floppy!! |
| 04:00.26 | karsten | harryvv: Remind me to tell you the story about that guy from that place. |
| 04:00.35 | karsten | EvanCarroll: /var/log/mail.err? |
| 04:00.51 | karsten | abrotman: "large" and "floppy" don't compute. |
| 04:00.57 | EvanCarroll | hrm i haven't checked that one in a while been in /var/log/exim brb |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | abrotman: different people ? 8" ? |
| 04:01.34 | EvanCarroll | karsten: nah that one only has the output from courier which is running fine *thank the goat lord* |
| 04:01.52 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Not sure where exim4's hiding stuff. Suggest you do 'tail -40f <file>' on the appropriate logfile. Hammer the <enter> key for a bit. Then see what it spews on startup. |
| 04:01.54 | karsten | EvanCarroll: You're welcome. |
| 04:02.09 | ejlozon | ²/wlk |
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| 04:02.37 | karsten | abrotman: Well.... |
| 04:02.49 | EvanCarroll | karsten: i have tailed everything in log files =/ even created fun perl scripts to spam mail status and such, this is just god showing his love for me |
| 04:03.16 | karsten | abrotman: ...there's a grilf who was mentioning a guy _she'd_ known who was both endowed and, well, had trouble filling his own shoes, so to speak. |
| 04:03.31 | Souza10 | Does anybody know why this comand doesn't work? mail -s "assunto" my@email.com <enter> texto texto . <enter> |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | karsten: is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 04:03.49 | karsten | EvanCarroll: ...but did you make dog-smelling prints and color photographs with circles and arrows... |
| 04:04.00 | karsten | abrotman: I don't know, abrotman.... |
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| 04:04.09 | abrotman | karsten: i think you lost me on that one |
| 04:04.28 | karsten | !asdf |
| 04:04.28 | dpkg | [asdf] one of the best players on Team USA |
| 04:04.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:04.42 | karsten | abrotman: It's the standard bot response, reversed. |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | buy a different pair of shoes ? |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: define "it" |
| 04:04.59 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:05.32 | travisat | bunch of idiots |
| 04:05.38 | EvanCarroll | karsten: no, no i didn't and if that isn't troubleshooting i don't know what is |
| 04:05.40 | abrotman | we are .. what are you gonna do about it ? |
| 04:05.47 | simonrvn | travisat: fuck off. |
| 04:05.47 | resiak | Heh. |
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| 04:05.59 | simonrvn | travisat: pogue matone |
| 04:06.09 | travisat | do what? |
| 04:06.21 | simonrvn | to troll |
| 04:06.26 | resiak | Oh, I see. |
| 04:06.29 | karsten | EvanCarroll: There's a song about Alice.... Do you remember Alice? |
| 04:06.36 | abrotman | karsten: hahha |
| 04:06.45 | travisat | I just hang out here, and pop in every so often to see whats happenen |
| 04:07.00 | abrotman | karsten: circles and arrows .. and a paragraph on the back of each one! |
| 04:07.06 | EvanCarroll | song alice.. no, no i must have missed that one =/ |
| 04:07.07 | karsten | travisat: Damnit, we're _certified_ idiots, and don't forget it. |
| 04:07.17 | abrotman | !alicekill karsten |
| 04:07.18 | karsten | abrotman: But it was a case of blind justice... |
| 04:07.33 | FieldySnuts | wow |
| 04:07.41 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 04:07.42 | karsten | abrotman: You're our boy! |
| 04:07.43 | EvanCarroll | well thats not very nice dpkg. |
| 04:07.43 | abrotman | what? |
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| 04:07.51 | travisat | karsten: no I am the certified idiot. and I have the dummy's guide to being an idiot to prove it |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | karsten: heh .. "And the all moved away from me on the bench" :) |
| 04:07.56 | listen3r | i see alot of people doing s/something/something whats that mean? |
| 04:08.09 | travisat | substitute |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: simonrvn: you don't like alicekill? |
| 04:08.15 | d03boy | how can I tell apt-get to only check the cdrom for installations? |
| 04:08.15 | simonrvn | listen3r: replace first with last |
| 04:08.16 | d03boy | temporarily |
| 04:08.27 | listen3r | thanks |
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| 04:08.31 | karsten | EvanCarroll: http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml |
| 04:08.39 | EvanCarroll | !alicekill =~ s/kill/flowers rainbows love/ig |
| 04:08.39 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'alicekill' to modify, EvanCarroll |
| 04:08.41 | karsten | EvanCarroll: This here's a song about Alice... |
| 04:08.55 | EvanCarroll | bah =[ |
| 04:08.59 | abrotman | karsten: and i'm entirely too young to know that song that well .. espeically since i haven't heard it in about 5 years |
| 04:09.12 | peterS | /kick karsten [flood - that song is a *little* bit too long to paste in #debian] |
| 04:09.15 | abrotman | EvanCarr1ll: don't change it . it's a god damn song |
| 04:09.18 | deadcat | now how do i rsync a 4gig file without using scp but i dont have rcp? |
| 04:09.26 | karsten | abrotman: I was only introduced to it myself _really_ about the time of the Sklyarov protests. |
| 04:09.28 | abrotman | peterS: i did it |
| 04:09.33 | karsten | abrotman: I sort of missed it the first time around. |
| 04:09.33 | peterS | abrotman? |
| 04:09.35 | abrotman | karsten: oh.. jeez |
| 04:09.41 | karsten | deadcat: netcat! |
| 04:09.41 | abrotman | peterS: i called !alicekill |
| 04:09.47 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't make it though |
| 04:09.55 | deadcat | karsten: does it do error checking? |
| 04:10.09 | arkaoss | wtf?!?!?!? damnit.. besides the big huge MISSING FOLDER!! is there any other ways to tell for sure weather i was hacked or did i delete a folder of my own stupidity? |
| 04:10.12 | abrotman | peterS: blame g4lt |
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| 04:10.21 | peterS | abrotman: convenient target |
| 04:10.23 | EvanCarroll | arkaoss: ask god |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: alicekill (.*?) |
| 04:10.31 | dpkg | CMD: alicekill (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Jun 2 06:43:40 2004 by g4lt!galt@news.publicrelations.pdpc. |
| 04:10.36 | simonrvn | which one if any |
| 04:10.40 | abrotman | peterS: feel better? |
| 04:10.41 | travisat | arkaoss: check access dates |
| 04:10.42 | karsten | arkaoss: After the fact, it's rather difficult. |
| 04:11.07 | karsten | arkaoss: AIDE, tripwire, debsums, and chkrootkit can provide some level of assurance. |
| 04:11.09 | harryvv | ark /var/log files |
| 04:11.14 | peterS | abrotman: I wasn't worried about alicekill, I was joking that karsten was about to paste the whole alice's restaurant song, which would kind of be flooding (: |
| 04:11.20 | karsten | peterS: Pardon? |
| 04:11.24 | EvanCarroll | !alicekill =~ s/.*/we all love alice/ |
| 04:11.24 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'alicekill' to modify, EvanCarroll |
| 04:11.28 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. yeah .. but funny .. in a sick way :) |
| 04:11.29 | EvanCarroll | god why doesn't that work =/ |
| 04:11.45 | travisat | try two !! |
| 04:11.50 | EvanCarroll | !!alicekill =~ s/.*/we all love alice/ |
| 04:11.50 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '!alicekill' to modify, EvanCarroll |
| 04:11.57 | peterS | EvanCarroll: please. stop. that. |
| 04:11.59 | FieldySnuts | @lart evancarr |
| 04:12.00 | FieldySnuts | oll |
| 04:12.01 | abrotman | EvanCarr1ll: leave it alone .. |
| 04:12.04 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Leave it alone. |
| 04:12.04 | FieldySnuts | enough Evan* nicks |
| 04:12.05 | abrotman | god ... fucking idiot |
| 04:12.14 | EvanCarroll | haha |
| 04:12.19 | abrotman | not funny |
| 04:12.19 | dgc | abrotman: hey, don't talk about god that way |
| 04:12.21 | abrotman | moron |
| 04:12.24 | FieldySnuts | people try to use nick complete you know |
| 04:12.24 | dgc | abrotman: he can't help it |
| 04:12.28 | abrotman | dgc: which one? |
| 04:12.58 | jetscreamer | mmm swiss melt |
| 04:13.09 | dgc | abrotman: good question; I'm a pantheist, but whichever one you were refferencing, I think they all deserve a little respect |
| 04:13.11 | karsten | arkaoss: Still here? |
| 04:13.15 | FieldySnuts | heh makes me think of fear and loathing in las vegas when the guy is passenger in a convertable, opens a container of cocaine and it blows away "hey!! did you just see what god did to me!" "GOD didn't do that, YOU did! you're a f*cking narcotics agent, YOU PIG!!" |
| 04:13.24 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: there'll be no talking of *food* in this channel ;-) |
| 04:13.25 | abrotman | dgc: doubtful |
| 04:13.32 | karsten | arkaoss: ...what makes you think you've been hacked? And 2: there's a a few really nasty PHP vulns floating around. |
| 04:13.57 | karsten | FieldySnuts: I've only got one problem with that book. |
| 04:14.05 | Xenguy | FieldySnuts: I have to read that book again, now that HST pulled the trigger |
| 04:14.05 | karsten | FieldySnuts: The first sentence is the best. |
| 04:14.11 | FieldySnuts | easy to have a few dozen problems with that book/movie adaptation |
| 04:14.20 | arkaoss | i am not sure.. i doubt i was hacked.. but i put a folder 1 place, and it's no longer anywhere's in my FS... |
| 04:14.36 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Never saw the flick. |
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| 04:14.39 | FieldySnuts | "we can't stop here... this is bat country!" |
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| 04:14.42 | arkaoss | i think i have this stupid box setup fairly securly... but i could be wrong |
| 04:14.54 | karsten | arkaoss: Well... That sort of sucks. |
| 04:15.13 | arkaoss | i can re-install the app fairly easily |
| 04:15.25 | dgc | abrotman: well, in the common vernacular, I hear the word "god" most often in the phrase "Go ask god" which means "go google it", so that would mean google is god; I think google deserves a little respect if only for the mindshare they employ |
| 04:15.32 | karsten | arkaoss: What I said about PHP. Some nastiness with awstats IIRC. |
| 04:15.32 | FieldySnuts | "there's some kind of electric eel in the sky!" "shoot it." "not yet. I want to study its habbits." |
| 04:15.36 | Xenguy | arkaoss: download/install/run 'rkhunter'; also apt-get chkrootkit <-- these will search for 'rootkits' and maybe set your mind more at ease |
| 04:15.41 | arkaoss | just wasted the whole night thinking PHP wasnt installed correctly |
| 04:15.52 | Xenguy | arkaoss: they're good tools to have around anyway |
| 04:15.54 | abrotman | dgc: uhm .. too much to think about at 11:15? |
| 04:16.18 | travisat | holy shit its 11:15 |
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| 04:16.30 | abrotman | in my timezone it is .. and at least one other |
| 04:16.39 | holycow | no its not it's 8:14 |
| 04:16.43 | travisat | it is in mine too |
| 04:16.43 | dgc | no it's not, it's 4:16 |
| 04:16.45 | karsten | travisat: Somewhere, certainly. |
| 04:16.50 | karsten | travisat: ...actually, two somewheres. |
| 04:16.51 | resiak | Let's all play the timezone game. |
| 04:16.55 | Xenguy | no, it really is 23:16 |
| 04:16.56 | karsten | $LOCALTIME.... |
| 04:16.58 | abrotman | resiak: god damn you .. go to bed! |
| 04:17.01 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 04:17.06 | resiak | abrotman: I'm working! |
| 04:17.13 | abrotman | resiak: what's her name ? |
| 04:17.19 | travisat | I am serious its 11:15, look at the clock dammit, LOOK AT THE CLOCK!!! were did the last 4 hours go??? |
| 04:17.27 | abrotman | travisat: #debian |
| 04:17.33 | jetscreamer | no it's 10.17.49 |
| 04:17.37 | arkaoss | linux help forums do that to the spacetime continuum |
| 04:17.42 | resiak | abrotman: You know what you're supposed to answer... |
| 04:17.43 | Mefdahl | I swear its only 10:17 |
| 04:17.45 | dgc | darned internet time people |
| 04:17.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: bonus points if you can convert to swatch time :) |
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| 04:17.54 | karsten | travisat: If you wait long enough, it'll come around again. |
| 04:17.54 | simonrvn | mar mar 1 23:17:54 EST 2005 |
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| 04:18.02 | jetscreamer | [22.17.48] <jetscreamer> no it's 10.17.49 (missed it by THAT much) |
| 04:18.10 | dgc | well, the sun says it's 8:15; but all my servers swear it's 04:16 |
| 04:18.15 | simonrvn | how often do you think *that* happens? ;) |
| 04:18.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: currently 221 via swatch.com |
| 04:18.39 | karsten | Damnit, if you want to know what time it is, it's |
| 04:18.41 | karsten | 1109737117 |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: http://swatch.com/internettime/home.php |
| 04:18.56 | karsten | simonrvn: Epoch time ;-) |
| 04:18.59 | simonrvn | epoch 1109737117 |
| 04:19.05 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:19.07 | travisat | damnit and I don't even believe in time |
| 04:19.19 | karsten | time is a theif. |
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| 04:19.21 | dgc | darn it, when did it get past eleven hundred million... |
| 04:19.25 | abrotman | karsten: women |
| 04:19.47 | dgc | abrotman: evil |
| 04:20.02 | abrotman | word association in #debian |
| 04:20.13 | travisat | lets make a hash (: |
| 04:20.15 | karsten | abrotman: While you appear fixated upon that, I assure you I'm not. |
| 04:20.15 | cafuego | It's 15:21 actually |
| 04:20.21 | abrotman | karsten: not you! |
| 04:20.53 | dgc | travisat: how about an octothorpe? |
| 04:21.20 | helix | travisat: you are not allowed to use that smiley by order of the high court of peterS |
| 04:21.20 | karsten | abrotman: Everything I ever needed to know about women, I learned here: http://www.ohiou.edu/~linguist/marmo/script1.htm |
| 04:21.23 | travisat | dgc: a whatcthothorpe? |
| 04:21.57 | dgc | !octothorpe |
| 04:21.57 | dpkg | it has been said that octothorpe is ASCII character 35: #; AKA hash, pound<shift> 3 |
| 04:22.00 | harryvv | mkdosfs does not exits on this system. |
| 04:22.06 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 04:22.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 04:22.16 | abrotman | karsten: good plan |
| 04:22.28 | dgc | I love it when dpkg has all the answers |
| 04:23.30 | travisat | dgc: but I like hash though |
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| 04:24.36 | resiak | Anyone who calls # pound should be shot on sight |
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| 04:24.51 | resiak | (Yes, this means most of the world.) |
| 04:24.54 | jetscreamer | that does mean pound |
| 04:24.54 | stew | resiak: what do you call it? |
| 04:25.09 | resiak | Hash, as nature intended. This is a pound sign: £ |
| 04:25.11 | jetscreamer | no, the l is pound |
| 04:25.16 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
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| 04:25.28 | karsten | resiak: No, that's an Aie! |
| 04:25.38 | resiak | karsten: You're not using UTF-8 :-) |
| 04:25.40 | jetscreamer | you..you... you're unamerican!!! (yajj) |
| 04:25.53 | karsten | resiak: ;-) |
| 04:26.06 | karsten | jetscreamer: He's a committee of 'em. |
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| 04:26.23 | resiak | karsten: Name a good reason to not be using urxvt. |
| 04:26.28 | arkaoss | i figured it out.. apparetnly my missing package relied on php 3 so when i went up to php4 it went back and killed the app i want.. damn thing |
| 04:26.33 | travisat | hmm urxvt, so thats why it showed up right |
| 04:26.34 | shek | this is the first time I am trying to install a wireless usb adapter on my debian machine, when I plug it in it doesnt even detect the adapter. There are lights that are suppsed to blink that act dead, any ideas? |
| 04:26.41 | karsten | resiak: Hrm... |
| 04:26.45 | karsten | resiak: *Inertia* |
| 04:26.52 | jetscreamer | !any idea |
| 04:26.53 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 04:26.54 | karsten | resiak: ...which is, of course, strongly correlated to... |
| 04:27.00 | gratuit | I'm having a problem with a text file, when I open it with vim, I see lots of ^Ms where line breaks should be but there are no linebreaks according to vim, when I do a 'cat <file>' it displays nothing at all, I've tried dos2unix, but that doesn't change a thing, any ideas on how to get a file like this to work as expected? |
| 04:27.06 | karsten | resiak: ...pounds. |
| 04:27.10 | resiak | karsten: Heh. |
| 04:27.23 | simonrvn | lftp (3.1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low; + http DAV support added (PROPFIND, MKCOL, DELETE, MOVE) # w00t |
| 04:27.29 | kenboo | shek did you try wlan-ng ? |
| 04:27.40 | karsten | gratuit: vim file. Then: :s/^M//g |
| 04:27.47 | resiak | karsten: urxvt > *. What are you using now? |
| 04:27.48 | jetscreamer | open it with something like abiword? |
| 04:27.52 | karsten | gratuit: Where ^M == ctrl-M keystroke. |
| 04:27.56 | karsten | resiak: rxvt |
| 04:28.00 | resiak | karsten: Well then. |
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| 04:28.03 | dgc | karsten: you forgot the % |
| 04:28.05 | travisat | urxvt>rxvt |
| 04:28.05 | shek | it is a D-link DWL-G132 and I called dlink tech support and the guy didnt have a clue about linux does anyone know if dlink works under debian at all? or should I go get another usb wireless adapter? I dont have free pcmcia slots |
| 04:28.19 | karsten | dgc: Point |
| 04:28.25 | kenboo | DWL-122 works here :) |
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| 04:28.27 | shek | kenboo: yes |
| 04:28.33 | dgc | gratuit: :%s/^M//g |
| 04:28.34 | karsten | shek: Well, do you have USB support? |
| 04:28.35 | resiak | !fgi shek D-link+linux |
| 04:28.36 | dpkg | shek: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=D-link+linux |
| 04:28.43 | shek | karsten: yes |
| 04:29.06 | dgc | gratuit: or porbably :%s/\r//g will work, depending on the original author of the file |
| 04:29.19 | shek | I have already googled it and it shows posts on forum by people who are asking for drivers |
| 04:29.42 | karsten | shek: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 04:29.49 | abrotman | shek: ask #wireless |
| 04:29.50 | sdogi | damn |
| 04:29.55 | karsten | shek: ...should list what's on the USB bus. |
| 04:29.57 | travisat | fgi should at least have a working link, I mean damn. |
| 04:30.01 | sdogi | wtf is is that non-us package |
| 04:30.05 | sdogi | s |
| 04:30.06 | karsten | shek: ...and if you don't see your device, youv'e got an issue. |
| 04:30.12 | resiak | travisat: Have you tried that one? |
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| 04:30.18 | travisat | it didn't work |
| 04:30.37 | karsten | resiak: No package for urxvt |
| 04:30.51 | resiak | karsten: rxvt-unicode, as I said. |
| 04:30.51 | sdogi | if it's illegal to import crypto stuff out from USA then why won't they just make them a mirror and develop crypto soft outside the US or something |
| 04:31.00 | resiak | !non-free |
| 04:31.00 | dpkg | non-free is, like, always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and ... |
| 04:31.01 | sdogi | i don't get at all that non-US concept |
| 04:31.09 | resiak | !hit me |
| 04:31.10 | travisat | karsten: but it runs as urxvt. strange huh |
| 04:31.11 | resiak | !non-US |
| 04:31.12 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me ... |
| 04:31.20 | resiak | sdogi: ^^ That's exactly waht they did. |
| 04:31.21 | karsten | resiak: Dig. |
| 04:31.32 | resiak | NO! |
| 04:31.44 | resiak | karsten: Why do I get a card?# |
| 04:31.50 | sdogi | so i shouldn't really care about it then |
| 04:31.54 | karsten | resiak: I hit you. |
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| 04:32.10 | shek | karsten: it shows up as an ATheros COmmunication device when I did the cat /proc/usb.... |
| 04:32.27 | resiak | I see. |
| 04:32.30 | karsten | shek: Good. You've got a detected wireless card. |
| 04:32.34 | travisat | shek: you need madwifi |
| 04:32.53 | karsten | resiak: "hit me" is a phrase I remember from about 20 years ago and some card game we used to play.... |
| 04:33.01 | karsten | resiak: I think it's 21. |
| 04:33.11 | Irenical | black jack!!! |
| 04:33.17 | Irenical | :P |
| 04:33.23 | shek | travistat: I did an aptitude search madwifi and didnt get any results |
| 04:33.31 | jetscreamer | AltGr+ [ <--- what is altGr |
| 04:33.39 | travisat | shek google for madwifi and debian howto |
| 04:33.55 | shek | gotcha thanks |
| 04:34.12 | Irenical | yawn |
| 04:34.38 | Irenical | what is this crazy place for! |
| 04:34.50 | resiak | karsten: Ah, yeah. |
| 04:34.56 | resiak | jetscreamer: The key marked AltGr. |
| 04:35.05 | arkaoss | damint imdfinievmn |
| 04:35.06 | arkaoss | fev |
| 04:35.16 | jetscreamer | resiak, and if i don't have one, what is it? :) |
| 04:35.23 | jetscreamer | i have 2 alts though |
| 04:35.26 | resiak | jetscreamer: The alt key to the right of your spacebar. |
| 04:35.29 | resiak | AFAIK. |
| 04:35.29 | arkaoss | had php workin what the ??R@?R??T#$Y$?&^ whyzit gotta do this to me? |
| 04:35.31 | jetscreamer | ahh thankee |
| 04:36.04 | resiak | jetscreamer: Check in xev. AltGr is ISO_Level3_Shift on mine. |
| 04:36.31 | travisat | gotto go to sleep |
| 04:36.57 | jetscreamer | ooo xev cool |
| 04:37.20 | resiak | jetscreamer: Yes, xev cool. xev very useful for trying to hax new Tuxboard into full life. |
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| 04:37.50 | Irenical | hello! |
| 04:38.15 | draconian | hi |
| 04:38.16 | Irenical | does any one know how to make there own irc server??? |
| 04:38.26 | arkaoss | wish i could CURSE in 10 languages right now... |
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| 04:38.42 | resiak | Irenical: apt-cache search irc server |
| 04:39.01 | draconian | wish i could curse in more than 1 |
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| 04:39.29 | Irenical | would i have to dl things and set it up on a website right? |
| 04:39.37 | resiak | arkaoss: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=462564 |
| 04:39.39 | resiak | Irenical: A website? |
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| 04:39.59 | Irenical | lol nvm |
| 04:40.04 | resiak | Irenical: No, you need an always-on box that you have access to. What version of Debian are you running?| |
| 04:40.11 | Irenical | i dont know what i was thinking |
| 04:40.25 | Irenical | lol kay kay |
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| 04:41.04 | mono | I have been using openwebmail for a while now. Today i did dist-upgrade |
| 04:41.04 | mono | and now i have Internal Server Error (500) from my server. From error log thre is "Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl" |
| 04:41.12 | mono | ideas how to resolve this problem? |
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| 04:41.24 | ArtVandalae | For Sarge to release, would there have to be 0RC bugs? |
| 04:41.40 | resiak | ArtVandalae: As I understand it, just "few enough". |
| 04:41.41 | arkaoss | someone just slap me... call me ugly and stupid and tell me to give up and become a burger flipper! |
| 04:41.56 | arkaoss | i am sick of computers and their crap! |
| 04:42.00 | resiak | !call arkaoss a burger flipper |
| 04:42.04 | Vme- | I've recently migrated from a 2003 IIS Webserver to a Debian with Apace, now all my ASP files don't work...i understand they are meant microsoft, but can you get them to work in debian? |
| 04:42.06 | FieldySnuts | user error. the computers are sick of you. |
| 04:42.18 | resiak | Vme-: Google for mono. |
| 04:42.44 | FieldySnuts | asp in apache. possible but tough and fraught with security problems. i gotta say, nice researching that move, pal. |
| 04:43.08 | FieldySnuts | hehe nice quit |
| 04:43.19 | Vme- | lol |
| 04:43.26 | Vme- | its just a personal website... |
| 04:43.29 | Vme- | i really dont' care |
| 04:43.36 | resiak | Vme-: Learn Perl. |
| 04:43.37 | Vme- | not an enterprise server |
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| 04:43.56 | arkaoss | whats the command line to show me all the freaking commands i've entered into a command line? |
| 04:44.04 | mono | resiak, i have googled. found something that did not work for me |
| 04:44.05 | dondelelcaro | arkaoss: history |
| 04:44.06 | resiak | arkaoss: You mean your history? |
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| 04:44.27 | resiak | mono: I can't remember what I told you to google. |
| 04:44.35 | arkaoss | yeah that.. :..... |
| 04:45.18 | FieldySnuts | how do I exit mc when 1) mouse doesn't work 2) F10 is ignored (fucking gnome terminal) 3) viewing a zip archive so "exit" doesn't work |
| 04:45.44 | resiak | ^C? |
| 04:45.50 | resiak | ^Z? |
| 04:45.50 | jla | FieldySnuts edit>keyboard |
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| 04:45.59 | resiak | Then poke things? |
| 04:46.17 | sdogi | anyone done an X forwarding with debian over ssh? i have enabled x11forwarding from sshd conf file did restart sshd daemon, well it doesn't seem to work still |
| 04:46.19 | FieldySnuts | edit trashed the screen. i'll just kill it |
| 04:46.21 | sdogi | any ideas? |
| 04:46.24 | resiak | !tell sdogi about sshx |
| 04:46.29 | sdogi | thanks |
| 04:46.30 | resiak | sdogi: Everything that you need to know is therel |
| 04:46.34 | jla | gnome-terminal: Edit>Keyboard Shortcuts; Check disable F10 |
| 04:46.42 | FieldySnuts | oh good let me try that |
| 04:47.00 | sdogi | ahh, lol just wanted to ask where is xauth file, very good.. thank you again :) |
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| 04:48.21 | sdogi | had xauth missing, at first i thought it wouldn't need it because it only told me debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 04:48.29 | sdogi | so i thought screw the spoofing :) |
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| 04:49.11 | jla | sdogi some day I'll care enough to look for a lighter package (or build my own) to get xauth on a server. |
| 04:49.39 | dondelelcaro | jla: it's not that difficult to make an xauth-static package. I made one at one point in time. |
| 04:49.41 | sdogi | 13 mb for one file is pretty heavy yeah |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | jla: however, nowdays there's really no point. |
| 04:49.54 | sdogi | but well i don't have any space problems right now fortunately |
| 04:50.55 | jla | dondelecaro: Cool. Why do you not use it any more? |
| 04:51.10 | sdogi | resiak: well, first line was about spoofing, this line also, cannot forward with spoofing... you see |
| 04:51.12 | dondelelcaro | jla: because I need most of the things that xbase-clients depends on anyway |
| 04:51.21 | resiak | sdogi: Fair enough. :) |
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| 04:51.50 | Miuifgs | hi, whatis the -o option in the groupadd ? |
| 04:52.03 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: use addgroup instad |
| 04:52.41 | Miuifgs | why? |
| 04:52.46 | dondelelcaro | (or, read the manpage and see that "-g gid The numerical value of the group's ID. This value must be unique, unless the -o option is used." |
| 04:52.55 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: because addgroup is a sane frontend to groupadd. |
| 04:52.55 | jla | dondelecaro: I find I'm usually just trying to get gvim or emacs gui to pop up over ssh. Most of the x* stuff seems excessive for that. |
| 04:53.01 | Miuifgs | i read it |
| 04:53.09 | Miuifgs | but i dont get what is the -o |
| 04:53.15 | Miuifgs | i get the -g but not the -o |
| 04:53.24 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: then you should understand what an GID is and why -o allows you to have a GID that is not unique. |
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| 04:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: if you don't understand it, you should just use addgroup. |
| 04:53.54 | Miuifgs | man i want to learn not just write things |
| 04:54.06 | sdogi | hm let's try |
| 04:54.09 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: do you understand what a GID is? |
| 04:54.14 | sdogi | !S.M.A.R.T |
| 04:54.20 | sdogi | nah |
| 04:54.36 | Miuifgs | yes |
| 04:54.39 | sdogi | !power management |
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| 04:54.50 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: ok, so what's a GID. |
| 04:55.01 | Miuifgs | the id number of every group of users |
| 04:55.08 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: why would it be bad to have GIDs overlapping? |
| 04:55.22 | Miuifgs | what is overlapping? |
| 04:55.29 | sdogi | any ideas why won't my 3 hdd's poweroff themself? didn't know it's controllable by software |
| 04:55.35 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: two groups with the same GID. |
| 04:55.54 | sdogi | they did before but not with debian somehow, no input/output going on, no anything |
| 04:55.56 | jla | sdogi because they a) don't have a poweroff timeout or b) keep getting accessed? |
| 04:56.00 | Miuifgs | dondelelcaro: cuz then it wont be a special id |
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| 04:56.25 | sdogi | jla: this poweroff timeout is software controllable then? i hope hdparm solves it |
| 04:56.26 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: no, not special. It won't be unique. This causes all sorts of problems unless you know exactly what you're doing, and why you're doing it. |
| 04:56.50 | Miuifgs | dondelelcaro: ok i got it, so the -o make it not unique? |
| 04:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: no, the -o *allows* you to have a GID that is not unique. |
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| 04:57.32 | Miuifgs | dondelelcaro: ok i wrote addgroup -g 444 and it's telling me its not ok |
| 04:57.42 | sdogi | ahh |
| 04:57.42 | Miuifgs | and there is no 444 group |
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| 04:57.54 | jla | sdogi yes, hdparm. I also use noflushd to delay writes. Doesn't work perfectly but my 2nd disk powerers off since I hardly ever access it. |
| 04:57.56 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: because you need to use addgroup --gid 444 groupname; man addgroup; |
| 04:57.57 | sdogi | hdparm -S ...strange how did they got resetted before |
| 04:58.15 | Miuifgs | ok ill read the man |
| 04:58.55 | jla | sdogi checked /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
| 04:59.00 | Miuifgs | ok i made a new group :) |
| 04:59.09 | Miuifgs | cool thanks man |
| 04:59.35 | sdogi | jla: lol, i didn't know there was one, in slack i don't have that |
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| 04:59.58 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: in the future, you don't even need to specify the gid. You normally could care less. Just use addgroup groupname; and let addgroup do the work. |
| 05:00.08 | jla | sdogi I don't know about that. RH has some similar setup to keep hdparm settings and restore them on boot |
| 05:00.13 | dondelelcaro | Miuifgs: this sort of stuff is also covered in the Debian Reference. /msg dpkg debian reference |
| 05:00.29 | Miuifgs | cool thanks much man |
| 05:00.36 | toukitsune | hello. Does anyone know if Bochs or wine support directx? |
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| 05:01.47 | sdogi | jla: i wonder where slackware keeps them |
| 05:01.55 | peterS | toukitsune: directx is made of multiple components. wine supports some, and has partial support for direct3d |
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| 05:02.03 | jla | toukitsune wine does but not perfectly. Some games work, many dont. Bochs is hardware emulator, so I guess if you installed windows on it it would work? Never tried it. |
| 05:02.21 | jla | sdogi grep -R 'hdparm' /etc/* :) |
| 05:02.24 | sdogi | grep -R hdparm /etc/* doesn't show anything |
| 05:02.25 | sdogi | lol |
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| 05:03.21 | jla | sdogi *shrug* |
| 05:03.22 | sdogi | weird, anyway i guess i have to think some timeout numbers now |
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| 05:04.28 | Kerr | err.. top reports that my cpu is being eaten 67% by the system, but nothing shows up in the process list... anyone know what is going wrong? the cpu usage meter in icewm is maxed out :-/ |
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| 05:05.45 | jetscreamer | you sure it's the cpu and not the net? :) |
| 05:05.49 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: i/o of some sort is eating processor time, most likely. |
| 05:06.05 | jetscreamer | j/k |
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| 05:06.26 | jetscreamer | you might try the sort feature in top btw |
| 05:06.30 | toukitsune | thanks peterS and jla |
| 05:06.44 | jetscreamer | nm it's that by default |
| 05:06.57 | Kerr | Cpu(s): 29.3% us, 70.7% sy and i'm not doing anything.. |
| 05:07.13 | budluva | anyone know the newest stable kernel image off the top of their head? |
| 05:07.22 | dondelelcaro | budluva: 2.4.18-something |
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| 05:07.34 | Kerr | xfree is using 1.1 cpu, 6.5 mem, that's the biggest hog. |
| 05:07.42 | jetscreamer | 2.4.18-something |
| 05:07.44 | budluva | 2.6 is still in testing? |
| 05:07.49 | jetscreamer | if you mean debian stable |
| 05:07.51 | Agrajag_ | anyone know how to get galeon to view .wmv files embedded in web pages? |
| 05:08.00 | jetscreamer | if you mean kernel.org stable, 2.6.10 |
| 05:08.03 | budluva | yeah, debian stable is 2.4.18 |
| 05:08.03 | budluva | ? |
| 05:08.10 | jetscreamer | stable is woody |
| 05:08.17 | solomonn | peterS: around? |
| 05:08.31 | peterS | maybe |
| 05:08.37 | jetscreamer | no he's not |
| 05:08.39 | Agrajag_ | I looked in the source for the page and I'm trying to look at a file breakdance.wmv |
| 05:08.40 | alus | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:08.42 | jetscreamer | that's his autobot |
| 05:08.49 | jetscreamer | alus that's the installer |
| 05:09.03 | jetscreamer | there's a secure version to upgrade to in woody |
| 05:09.06 | alus | pardon? that's what uname -r says |
| 05:09.11 | jetscreamer | there's a secure version to upgrade to in woody. |
| 05:09.17 | jetscreamer | that's the install kernel |
| 05:09.27 | alus | oh |
| 05:09.30 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: how couldi figure out what it is? |
| 05:09.31 | Agrajag_ | if anyone can view things requiring such plugins, take a look at http://www.compfused.com/directlink/621/ to see some really amazing dancing |
| 05:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: not trivially, no. Look at the output of top, and see how much is Sys: |
| 05:10.01 | jetscreamer | !real kernel |
| 05:10.01 | dpkg | hmm... real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, ... |
| 05:10.10 | budluva | you sure 2.4.18- is the newest stable? |
| 05:10.14 | alus | jetscreamer: so 2.4.18-1 is newer? |
| 05:10.24 | budluva | i've been away from my computer for 5 weeks and im running 2.4.27-1-686 |
| 05:10.45 | budluva | so i dont see how 2.4.18- is the latest stable |
| 05:11.13 | Phated | It the kernel you get when you install woody, isn't it? 2.4.27 is sarge. |
| 05:11.20 | jla | budluva and your sorting by cpu (P)? it looks like some process or tons of forked processes are using a lot of time in system calls (reading/writing disk/network access) |
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| 05:11.46 | budluva | bah, your right, i forgot i went to sarge before i left :P |
| 05:11.53 | jetscreamer | alus, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:11.57 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: 71.8% sy, |
| 05:11.59 | alus | yeah I did that |
| 05:12.09 | alus | 2.4.18-1 seems like the highest number ;) |
| 05:12.13 | godsmoke | heh |
| 05:12.14 | budluva | jla? i think your talkin to the wrong person |
| 05:12.15 | jetscreamer | should be a bigger one |
| 05:12.16 | godsmoke | it is for i386 |
| 05:12.17 | F-Lelo | I have a server with 2 valid IP adresses and I --need- to put (DNS) master and slave on the same server... How to proceed? |
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| 05:12.23 | jla | sorry that was for Kerr |
| 05:12.30 | budluva | :P |
| 05:12.39 | godsmoke | budluva, why are you running 2.4, if you run sarge? |
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| 05:13.07 | budluva | godsmoke i havent been around much, havent had time to sort stuff out, thats why i was askin what newest kernel image was |
| 05:13.09 | Kerr | jla: tried both mem and cpu, for my user, and root. |
| 05:13.20 | budluva | i should have stated sarge in the beginning, but forgot i was running sarge |
| 05:13.24 | godsmoke | budluva, just for future reference -- apt-cache will do that for you |
| 05:13.27 | Miuifgs | how can i add use to a group? |
| 05:13.36 | jetscreamer | adduser user group |
| 05:13.41 | jla | I'd do for all users. How about time (T)? |
| 05:13.52 | budluva | godsmoke yeah i know, and it showed a bunch of 2.6 stuff, and ppl here were saying 2.4 :P i got confused :P |
| 05:14.11 | Miuifgs | jla: what do you mean How about time? |
| 05:14.24 | godsmoke | budluva: sarge has 2.4 kernels as well |
| 05:14.28 | jetscreamer | sort by time |
| 05:14.35 | jla | That was also for Kerr |
| 05:14.40 | jetscreamer | 2.4 is the default for d-i you have to ask for 2.6 |
| 05:14.45 | godsmoke | budluva: woody = 2.2 & 2.4 -- sarge = 2.4 & 2.6 |
| 05:14.46 | F-Lelo | I have a server with 2 valid IP adresses and I --need- to put (DNS) master and slave on the same server... How to proceed? |
| 05:14.56 | budluva | 2.4 is stable, 2.6 is testing, correct? |
| 05:14.59 | Kerr | it should be on about 95% idle , judging by what top tells me. |
| 05:15.00 | jetscreamer | just alias one ip |
| 05:15.01 | Miuifgs | jetscreamer: it's not working |
| 05:15.01 | godsmoke | budluva: no |
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| 05:15.03 | Kerr | but isn't. |
| 05:15.07 | godsmoke | budluva: that's what I was telling you |
| 05:15.11 | jetscreamer | Miuifgs, okie...? |
| 05:15.14 | budluva | woody is stable, sarge is testing then? |
| 05:15.20 | jetscreamer | yes budluva |
| 05:15.31 | Miuifgs | jetscreamer: i made adduser Miuifgs newgroup |
| 05:15.33 | jetscreamer | but supposedly sarge will be in stable soon |
| 05:15.39 | budluva | ok, so my 2.4 kernel isnt stable |
| 05:15.39 | godsmoke | yeah |
| 05:15.49 | godsmoke | hahaha |
| 05:15.52 | jetscreamer | Miuifgs, you need an existing group to add the user too |
| 05:15.54 | jetscreamer | to |
| 05:15.56 | jla | Kerr not if it says Cpu(s): 29.3% us, 70.7% sy |
| 05:15.59 | budluva | so whats the advantages to running either a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel if both are still in testing? |
| 05:15.59 | godsmoke | "stable" does not mean "the application is stable -- and nothing else is" |
| 05:16.10 | Miuifgs | jetscreamer: newgroup is existing group |
| 05:16.13 | godsmoke | budluva: 2.6 has MAJOR improvements over 2.4 -- years and years of work |
| 05:16.17 | budluva | oh |
| 05:16.24 | godsmoke | but 2.4 is kept around for legacy purposes |
| 05:16.35 | godsmoke | in some production environments, people think it's dangerous to upgrade kernels |
| 05:16.45 | jetscreamer | should work then Miuifgs ... try it with adduser user games or something |
| 05:16.48 | budluva | well im running debian on some old hardware, so no need to go to 2.6 yet then |
| 05:16.52 | Kerr | jla: ps aux shows nothing eating cpu, either. |
| 05:17.05 | godsmoke | well, 2.6 is going to improve performance -- but no need to upgrade, no |
| 05:17.14 | jla | Kerr what is the top status line now? Cpu(s): ... |
| 05:17.18 | rixth | How do I start Java .jar files (I've forgotten) |
| 05:17.20 | godsmoke | 2.6 is like linux getting closer to bsd :) |
| 05:17.24 | budluva | 2.6 will improve performance on a 333 celeron? :P |
| 05:17.32 | budluva | ill stay with 2.4 |
| 05:17.33 | budluva | :P |
| 05:17.44 | jetscreamer | you can o/c that celeron to 500 easy, with a big fan... i did for years |
| 05:17.47 | godsmoke | it'll improve performance on anything |
| 05:17.57 | godsmoke | 2.6 is massively more efficient than 2.4 |
| 05:18.01 | budluva | godsmoke oh yeah? hrmm.... |
| 05:18.12 | jetscreamer | hell i had dual 333@500 cellys |
| 05:18.16 | godsmoke | haha |
| 05:18.18 | godsmoke | dual celerons |
| 05:18.18 | Kerr | top - 05:16:22 up 4 days, 1:51, 1 user, load average: 1.16, 1.06, 1.06 |
| 05:18.18 | Kerr | Tasks: 57 total, 1 running, 56 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 05:18.18 | Kerr | Cpu(s): 29.3% us, 70.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 05:18.19 | budluva | hehe |
| 05:18.20 | Nwallins | after installing nvidia-kernel-common, the nvidia howto presumes that i have a /usr/src/modules dir, which I don't. why not? |
| 05:18.20 | godsmoke | that's so wrong |
| 05:18.28 | jla | rixth java -jar <file>.jar? |
| 05:18.30 | jetscreamer | hey back then, it was so right |
| 05:18.31 | Miuifgs | how can i see the user list in the system? |
| 05:18.42 | godsmoke | jethro: no, celerons were never 'right' |
| 05:18.43 | deadcat | Miuifgs: w |
| 05:18.53 | jetscreamer | maybe users, Miuifgs |
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| 05:18.54 | jla | rixth I've always wondered why they couldn't figure out the -jar bit and not require the option |
| 05:19.02 | jetscreamer | that might be logged on though |
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| 05:19.12 | godsmoke | Miuifgs: "w" or "who" or "users" |
| 05:19.18 | Nwallins | where does /usr/src/modules come from? |
| 05:19.21 | Miuifgs | not only the online, list of the users and the uid and all |
| 05:19.26 | EvanCarroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.27 | jla | Kerr you'r 30% user processes are making 70% more work in system calls |
| 05:19.32 | EvanCarroll | down with exim up with courier-mta |
| 05:19.34 | godsmoke | Nwallins: come from? |
| 05:19.40 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, that's where you put the third party modules you want to compile |
| 05:19.50 | Nwallins | yeah, the nvidia howto says to cd in there, but i don't have that dir |
| 05:19.53 | rixth | jla: apparently I don't have Java installed, yet I used a Java based BitTorrent client (Azereus) |
| 05:19.56 | mono | Hi, I have been using openwebmail for a while now. Today i did dist-upgrade and now i have Internal Server Error (500) from my server. From error log thre is "Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl" |
| 05:19.58 | Miuifgs | like the etc/group but for users |
| 05:20.08 | Nwallins | i apt-get installed nvidia-kernel-common per the howto |
| 05:20.09 | Kerr | ugh |
| 05:20.13 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, what nvidia howto.. not the .run eh but the .deb? |
| 05:20.14 | jla | rixth maybe it's not in your path? locate java *shrug* |
| 05:20.21 | Kerr | i killed java_vm and wham. |
| 05:20.24 | jetscreamer | ah yeah i know nothing |
| 05:20.34 | Miuifgs | godsmoke: like the etc/group but for users |
| 05:20.36 | Nwallins | jetscreamer: dpkg pointed me to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:20.38 | dondelelcaro | mono: premature end of script headers can be caused by almost anything. |
| 05:20.54 | Kerr | Cpu(s): 2.0% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 97.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% s |
| 05:20.55 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, okie... i've never used the .deb ones |
| 05:21.06 | dondelelcaro | mono: most likely you can't perl -c /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl; |
| 05:21.10 | jla | Kerr I bet that feels much better. java_vm can run away |
| 05:21.15 | Kerr | yeah |
| 05:21.19 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how do i rsync a 4gig file without using scp but i dont have rcp? |
| 05:21.29 | Nwallins | module assistant was hosed. it was looking for /usr/src/modules too i believe |
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| 05:21.45 | dondelelcaro | mono: see http://perlmonks.thepen.com/24447.html as well |
| 05:21.45 | jla | deadcat rsync server |
| 05:21.47 | Kerr | jla: is there a way to stop stuff running away like that? |
| 05:21.52 | jetscreamer | sometimes you have to explicitly install module-assitant |
| 05:21.53 | F-Lelo | WELL... I have a server with 2 valid IP adresses and I --need- to put (DNS) master and slave on the same server... How to proceed? |
| 05:22.10 | dondelelcaro | F-Lelo: why in *DEITY's* name would you bother to do that? |
| 05:22.17 | deadcat | jla: i just want to do a user to user |
| 05:22.21 | dondelelcaro | F-Lelo: just have the same dns server bound to both interfaces. |
| 05:22.37 | mono | dondelelcaro, :perl -c /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl Args must match #! line at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl line 1. |
| 05:22.38 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro, i think that's what he wants to know how to do... |
| 05:22.41 | jla | Kerr depends on what started it. You could look into ulimit(ing) processes. I've never tried that for stuff like java_vm from a browser. I don't know if I'd want to ulimit my browser |
| 05:22.46 | Nwallins | jetscreamer: when i did `module-assistant auto-install nvidia` the program itself seems alright, but it couldn't open the buildlog though either |
| 05:22.53 | jla | deadcat on the same file system? |
| 05:23.00 | deadcat | jla: diff host |
| 05:23.01 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, got build-essential ? |
| 05:23.05 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro: yes, but named complains about it ;( |
| 05:23.14 | Kerr | jla: java_vm was only 10026 kerr 17 0 224m 13m 47m S 0.0 5.2 0:00.64 java_vm |
| 05:23.21 | Nwallins | installing |
| 05:23.26 | jla | deadcat well you have to get the data across the network somehow. I was just giving a non-ssh non-rsh option. |
| 05:23.30 | Kerr | jla: i just thought 'blame it on java' and killed it anyway. |
| 05:23.39 | deadcat | jla: ah. i guess nfs. |
| 05:23.54 | Myren | how do i restrict find to a depth? |
| 05:23.57 | jla | Kerr there is usually more than one java_vm running. |
| 05:24.03 | deadcat | jla: ya. i tried but it still uses scp because i dont have rcp and rcp is pointing to scp |
| 05:24.10 | jetscreamer | shfs is one way, only thing i could figure out quickly |
| 05:24.16 | Kerr | jla: ps aux only showed me one :-/ |
| 05:24.18 | jla | deadcat rsync over nfs is very inefficient but if that's what you have, that's what you use. |
| 05:24.18 | jetscreamer | buyt it's ssh basec |
| 05:24.18 | Myren | i've man'd through find dozens of times looking for how to do --max-depth=2 or somehting like that for find, i have no idea what to do |
| 05:24.25 | Kerr | jla: I think limewire did it.. |
| 05:24.46 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro: Mar 02 02:24:19.380 /etc/named.conf:13: zone 'domain.com.br': already exists |
| 05:24.47 | Kerr | though i closes lime hours ago |
| 05:24.53 | jla | Kerr never used that *shrug* |
| 05:25.09 | rixth | Jla, when I try and run Java now (i foudn it) I get |
| 05:25.10 | rixth | debian:/home/rixth# java -jar gun.jar |
| 05:25.10 | rixth | Unrecognised command line option: -jar |
| 05:25.11 | dondelelcaro | F-Lelo: no, have the named bind to *:53, not just one interface. |
| 05:25.19 | rixth | (sorry for the semi flood :)) |
| 05:25.34 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro: okay... let me check how to do that |
| 05:25.59 | jla | rixth try without -jar then. What java is that? |
| 05:26.02 | Myren | how do i make find stop recursing after it recurses past two subdirectories? |
| 05:26.26 | Kerr | that was strange, but; thanks for your help; jla |
| 05:26.29 | jla | Myren man find, maxdepth |
| 05:26.42 | Kerr | 5:25am.. time for bed |
| 05:26.57 | jla | Kerr np. wierd indeed. Sys X% is important to watch. Means somethign is using a lot of sys calls |
| 05:26.58 | rixth | debian:/home/rixth# java gun.jar |
| 05:26.59 | rixth | java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: gun/jar |
| 05:26.59 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.03 | rixth | It's jamvm |
| 05:27.06 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro: don't know how to do that ;9 |
| 05:27.08 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro: don't know how to do that ;( |
| 05:28.06 | jla | rixth hmm. does gun.jar require other jar's? Does it work with another java interpreter (like blackdown or sun or ...) |
| 05:28.38 | dondelelcaro | F-Lelo: use listen-on port 53 {somenetmask;} |
| 05:28.45 | dondelelcaro | F-Lelo: it's all described in the bind documentation |
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| 05:29.29 | flurdoing | hmm.. can someone help me out -- cpu usage is at 90% according to top but no item is above 1%, same thing in ps... my system is unbelievably slow.. is there a 'better' way to list running process - i fear a rouge program may be lurking |
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| 05:29.41 | Vme- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.08 | Vme- | most of them don't come up, but i don't see any differences....i.e. permissions, size, etc.. |
| 05:30.30 | jla | flurdoing 90 processes at a constant 1% could do that too. |
| 05:30.41 | deadcat | Vme-: what software you use for your photo album? |
| 05:31.02 | Vme- | i believe it was called Jalbulm |
| 05:31.09 | F-Lelo | dondelelcaro; ok! Thanks mate |
| 05:31.17 | flurdoing | jla: i really dont think thats the case... :( the system was fine last month and there hasnt been anything significant added |
| 05:31.19 | Vme- | i believe it was called Jalbum |
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| 05:32.03 | jla | flurdoing desktop system, or server? has it been slow for a month, or just since booting today, or for the last week. ("was fine last month" implies it didn't start doing this 10 minutes ago) |
| 05:32.16 | flurdoing | actually, all processes in ps --auxww are listed as using 0.0 - 0.1% yet cpu usage is so high as reported by top or the kicker thingy in kde.. |
| 05:32.21 | flurdoing | yea it didnt start doing this 10 mins ago... |
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| 05:32.40 | flurdoing | no GUI atm... |
| 05:32.53 | flurdoing | and yet its still maxing out the proc |
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| 05:33.48 | jla | flurdoing if youre logged into the console there should only be a handful of processes for your user. Are there more? |
| 05:33.48 | mrGenixus | hello. . . what's required to get nvidia hardware accel running/ |
| 05:33.50 | mrGenixus | ? |
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| 05:34.21 | flurdoing | nope, just the usual ones for my user... and nothing odd when listing for all users |
| 05:34.55 | flurdoing | ok i just did the math and i'm missing about 20% cpu :/ |
| 05:35.33 | jla | start stopping services to make the math easier/cleaner |
| 05:35.46 | mrGenixus | hello? anybody can help me get nvidia hardware acceleration? |
| 05:35.56 | rixth | jla: sorry, I went away for a little. What I'm trying to run is the game Flying Guns |
| 05:36.23 | jla | rixth where from? I could see if it works with sun's jvm |
| 05:36.37 | mrGenixus | k, thanks, nite! |
| 05:36.56 | Miuifgs | why it's not working useradd -u 1200 -g blabla ?? |
| 05:37.04 | rixth | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/drts/FlyingGunsComplete0.1.jar?download |
| 05:37.22 | flurdoing | hmm is there a quick debian way to raw read wtmp? would a lkm trojan be able to hide from wtmp? i'm really worried about the problem being related to some malware :/ |
| 05:38.41 | cg0def | what pkg is make-kpkg part of? |
| 05:38.41 | jla | rixth probably need other stuff installed as per their site, like java3d |
| 05:39.41 | dondelelcaro | cg0def: kernel-package |
| 05:39.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell cg0def about search |
| 05:40.18 | jla | flourdoing lastlog? |
| 05:40.38 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:41.28 | Myren | why does lib6-dev require linux-kernel-headers, and why are the only ones available 2.5.99? |
| 05:41.28 | jla | flourdoing or last |
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| 05:41.53 | jla | flourdoing there is a root kit checking package. |
| 05:41.53 | rixth | Oh yes, I'll check that out. |
| 05:42.15 | flurdoing | chkrootkit? |
| 05:42.58 | FieldySnuts | that and/or rkhunter |
| 05:42.59 | jla | flurdoing that sounds right. Have you killed off all unnecessary processes to get your ps list down to a screenful yet? |
| 05:43.14 | flurdoing | hehe not exactly a screenfull, but i did some pruning :) |
| 05:43.32 | flurdoing | there are a few that wont go away, like getty... which i dont need... /me apt-get removes |
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| 05:43.51 | Xenguy | flurdoing: I quite like rkhunter |
| 05:44.15 | flurdoing | Xenguy: cool, i've not tried it.. i'll give it a shot next :) |
| 05:44.40 | jla | flourdoing you use some other tty controller? |
| 05:44.40 | Xenguy | flurdoing: there's no deb yet AFAIK, but quite easy to install/maintain without that |
| 05:45.01 | flurdoing | Xenguy: I noticed :) |
| 05:45.10 | flurdoing | Xenguy: np tho |
| 05:45.35 | rbrenart | A few moments ago my system just started hitting the hard drive pretty consistently... it's now finishing up whatever it was doing and stopping... but I was wondering, if it starts up again, is there a simple command to find out what processes are accessing the filesystem? |
| 05:45.45 | Xenguy | rbrenart: top |
| 05:45.46 | deadcat | mwilson: line 349 of what? autocmd? |
| 05:45.55 | inc|freaky | what kde does sarge have? |
| 05:45.59 | rbrenart | Xenguy: Which fields would be useful in top for that? |
| 05:46.34 | flurdoing | rbrenart: try lsof too-- it tells u what processes are accessing what files |
| 05:46.42 | Xenguy | rbrenart: try playing with '>' and '<' to change the sort field (e.g. CPU, memory) |
| 05:47.01 | Xenguy | rbrenart: top defaults to CPU AFAIK |
| 05:47.27 | Xenguy | rbrenart: you can filter output by user also |
| 05:48.22 | jla | rbrenart what is your local time? |
| 05:48.32 | rbrenart | 11:48 |
| 05:48.33 | Vme- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.43 | Vme- | is someting like this possible? |
| 05:49.09 | Vme- | i want to make all my files that end in 'jpg' end in 'JPG' |
| 05:49.10 | rbrenart | jla: 11:48 PM, why do you ask? |
| 05:49.20 | jla | rbrenart hmm. not cron.daily then |
| 05:49.38 | rbrenart | oh, my system is off, it did just cross midnight |
| 05:49.45 | Xenguy | Vme-: it is possible, and yes it should be easier :-) |
| 05:50.02 | rbrenart | jla: It's a laptop, and every time it suspends, it comes up way fast, so it just crossed midnight on the last wakeup |
| 05:50.14 | jla | rbrenart default for cron.daily run is 6:25am on debian |
| 05:50.33 | jla | rbrenart cron.hourly? |
| 05:50.52 | luulis | Vme-: rename 's/.jpg$/.JPG/' *.jpg |
| 05:51.02 | rbrenart | jla: Actually I think it was just cleaning up some temp files after doing some photo work... I'm curious in how I'd find out than what was going on this particular time |
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| 05:51.28 | Xenguy | Vme-: another way: instal 'mmv', then do something like -> mmv '*.html' '#1.shtml' |
| 05:51.28 | jla | cool |
| 05:53.04 | Xenguy | Vme-: luulis' idea seems simplest (requires perl) |
| 05:54.56 | peterS | Xenguy: indeed, but lots of things require perl, so very few debian systems won't have it |
| 05:55.11 | Xenguy | peterS: true enough |
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| 05:55.32 | deadcat | mwilson: your vimrc on your page? |
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| 05:56.24 | jond3rd | is imp part of horde in debian package? or I really need to install imp separetely? |
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| 06:00.25 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to set up my "vsftpd" server |
| 06:00.40 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, how are you? |
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| 06:01.17 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I am trying to configure my ftp server "vsftpd" have you heard of it? |
| 06:02.01 | jetscreamer | jair_11, i heard of it but i know nothing... btw, way to stick to it |
| 06:02.02 | Myren | is the stlport the stl distro? isnt the stl included in libstdc++6? |
| 06:02.26 | Myren | i can get rid of libstlport-dev and still devel stl apps right? |
| 06:02.27 | jair_11 | guys If I had on my computer only 1 HD = hda and when I install Linux the partitions created were hda1 "/" and hda2 swap |
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| 06:02.36 | jetscreamer | to it, with it... |
| 06:02.45 | jetscreamer | jair_11, yes, or the other way around |
| 06:03.23 | jair_11 | now I have another HD IDE internal |
| 06:03.34 | jetscreamer | there was some guy stuck his swap on hda1, and / on hda2, but i forget who |
| 06:04.06 | jair_11 | I added the second HD = hdb1 and I mount it on a folder "/storage2" |
| 06:04.18 | jetscreamer | which ribbon cable did you connect this second drive to .. ok ok same as the first hd |
| 06:04.52 | jetscreamer | what fs and don't hit that enter key as much :) |
| 06:04.55 | jair_11 | then I add the line on the sftab |
| 06:04.57 | jair_11 | already |
| 06:05.22 | jair_11 | but I will need now to do some changes on the OS |
| 06:05.34 | jetscreamer | why |
| 06:05.48 | jair_11 | for example I need to install Kinux again on the hda1 hda2 |
| 06:05.58 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:06.03 | jla | jair_11 reinstalling the whole system? |
| 06:06.06 | jair_11 | because I have knoppix on it and I want to have all fresh debian |
| 06:06.15 | jair_11 | jla, kind of |
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| 06:06.18 | jetscreamer | jair_11, knoppix on the second hd? |
| 06:06.35 | jla | jair_11 do you need the space on hdb, or do you want to preserve /storage2? |
| 06:06.41 | jair_11 | nope I need to remove knoppix from my system to install sarge debian |
| 06:06.51 | jair_11 | yes |
| 06:06.52 | jetscreamer | which hd is knoppix on.. hda1? |
| 06:07.17 | jla | yes what. yes you need the space, yes you want to preserve the stuff in /storage2 |
| 06:07.21 | jetscreamer | err partition |
| 06:07.23 | jair_11 | jla, I want to preserve for 100% the hdb1 = '/storage2" |
| 06:07.35 | jetscreamer | ok don't do anything to hdb1 |
| 06:07.45 | inc|freaky | can linux still only mount ntfs partitions read only? |
| 06:07.46 | jetscreamer | and don't tell the installer to 'format' it |
| 06:07.48 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, knoppix in on the hda1 |
| 06:08.02 | jetscreamer | jair_11, ok np just dont tell it to use hdb |
| 06:08.02 | jla | jair_11 re-install with sarge debian installer, only format hda and then mount hdb1 as custom mount /storage2 |
| 06:08.06 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 06:08.06 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 06:08.13 | jetscreamer | wht jla said |
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| 06:08.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg, s/should/probably/ |
| 06:08.54 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 06:08.55 | cg0def | I have and amd64 kernel running on a 32 bit debian should I install the 64 bit ati drivers or the 32bit ones? |
| 06:08.57 | jla | I wouldn't trust rw ntfs still though |
| 06:09.02 | inc|freaky | ro-ntfs = read only ntfs? |
| 06:09.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:09.11 | jetscreamer | i didn't tell the rw one :) |
| 06:09.22 | figfig | what is the purpose of the --nocheck option in dpkg-deb (I know what it does, but why would you want to use it)? |
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| 06:09.46 | jetscreamer | err didn't teach dpkg the rw one |
| 06:10.11 | jla | cg0def I'd guess 64b w/ a 64bit kernel, but try both and let us know. Then I'll know when I get a 64 bit processor :) |
| 06:10.11 | Angelsdemon | anyone have experience with wireless usb adapters? |
| 06:10.21 | jetscreamer | yeah in xp for a bud |
| 06:10.24 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 06:10.35 | jetscreamer | can't even get him off aol... sheesh |
| 06:10.43 | helix | cat: how old are you? |
| 06:10.44 | jla | inc|freaky it seems that knoppix allows a rw mount of ntfs |
| 06:10.50 | cg0def | jla: well the driver should be 32bit but I am not sure about the kernel module |
| 06:10.58 | inc|freaky | i dont want knoppix ;) |
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| 06:11.05 | inc|freaky | i luv debian ;DD |
| 06:11.12 | cg0def | jla: it is a 32 bit kernel even though it supports a 64 bit processor |
| 06:11.15 | jetscreamer | !captive |
| 06:11.15 | dpkg | captive is probably The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 06:11.19 | Myren | i need to stop adding ubuntu packages very badly. but theres so many stupid tempting things, half of them i built straight from CVS now. |
| 06:11.22 | cg0def | jla: so I suppose it should be 32 bit too |
| 06:11.25 | jla | inc|freaky "can linux still only mount ntfs partitions read only?" |
| 06:11.30 | alus | jla: probably rw NTFS4, but r NTFS5 |
| 06:11.30 | jair_11 | jla, so what about if now I remove the line: /dev/hdb1 /storage2 ext3 defaults 1 1 from fstab file then umount or reboot the system, the the hdb will not even appear anymore on the "/storage2" folder. and I can then format the hda an install sarge with no problem then later use again the moun command and add the line back to the fstab? |
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| 06:11.42 | jla | cg0def makes sense |
| 06:11.50 | jetscreamer | ahh.. oops i didn't read that correctly then |
| 06:12.06 | jetscreamer | yes jair_11 |
| 06:12.07 | jla | alus probably. I didn't dare write :) |
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| 06:12.32 | jair_11 | I can delete this line then: /dev/hdb1 /stuff ext3 defaults 1 1 |
| 06:12.35 | jetscreamer | jair_11, but if you erase the hd on install no need to remove and umount |
| 06:12.41 | jla | jair_11 the installer will ignore /etc/fstab since you're re-formatting. It will auto-detect hda and hdb. Just don't format hdb |
| 06:12.42 | cg0def | jla: yeah but the ati build scripts are being a bitch |
| 06:12.47 | jetscreamer | it won't read your old settings or anything |
| 06:12.48 | inc|freaky | jla: thx ;) |
| 06:13.00 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 06:13.05 | jair_11 | jla, clear |
| 06:13.14 | jair_11 | I have a lot of important information |
| 06:13.44 | Angelsdemon | you know.... debian is great.... just fyi ^^ |
| 06:13.46 | jetscreamer | if you're REALLY worried about it, unplug the power to the hd while installing |
| 06:13.56 | Angelsdemon | although ati doesn't seem to like it too mcuh |
| 06:14.16 | jetscreamer | disabling stuff in bios doesn't work in linux btw |
| 06:14.28 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 06:14.44 | figfig | does anyone know what dpkg-deb --nocheck does? |
| 06:14.58 | Angelsdemon | jair_11: if you plan on wiping your hda... why bother with the fstab? |
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| 06:15.16 | jair_11 | Angelsdemon, thnak you I understand now |
| 06:15.32 | jair_11 | thank you jla and jetscreamer :) |
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| 06:15.49 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 06:15.54 | jair_11 | jla, have you ever set up vsftpd? |
| 06:15.58 | jla | jair_11 np, good luck. do expert or expert26 and don't partition or format stuff on hdb and you'll be set |
| 06:16.11 | jair_11 | cool |
| 06:16.11 | figfig | jair_ll it is actually --nocheck |
| 06:16.18 | Lee__ | big weird problem: my PS/2 mouse will not be detected by xfree. If I 'cat /dev/input/mice' it says 'no such device' yet there clearly is a file called /dev/input/mice |
| 06:16.28 | jetscreamer | --nocheck |
| 06:16.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.28 | jair_11 | figfig, --nocheck? |
| 06:16.34 | jetscreamer | hey you're right :) |
| 06:16.35 | jla | jair_11 I am normally opposed to ftp, but I think I did just last week, if it's the one that configures like apache with <bla> directives. Pretty flexible and easy whatever it was |
| 06:16.56 | jetscreamer | jair he meant me |
| 06:17.02 | figfig | jair_ll yup, that is what it is. |
| 06:17.02 | jla | Lee__ cat /dev/psaux ? |
| 06:17.04 | jair_11 | ohh |
| 06:17.05 | kaplanfx | is there a telnet client packaged for debian that will display old school ansi color bbs' correctly (with the color blocks instead of funky chars)? |
| 06:17.12 | Lee__ | 2.6 kernel, /dev/psaux is gone. |
| 06:17.15 | kaplanfx | I tried using telnet and putty so far |
| 06:17.21 | jair_11 | because I would like to know how to configure apache as well |
| 06:17.29 | gekkito | i'm trying to mount my usb key....mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb...but i get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock....", why? |
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| 06:17.43 | jetscreamer | lee, a common thing in 2.6 that i've seen is the need to modprobe mousedev a lot |
| 06:17.45 | Lee__ | gekkito: give mount a -t vfat probably |
| 06:17.49 | jetscreamer | Lee__, rather |
| 06:18.02 | figfig | gekkito: are you using the correct type option? |
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| 06:18.07 | gekkito | Lee__: tried that and didn't work either |
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| 06:18.19 | jair_11 | the 4 projects where I am working right now are: 1- vsftpd 2- postfix 3- openvpn 4- apache server |
| 06:18.32 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: well hell. thanks. |
| 06:18.42 | harryvv | BTW, is there a way to barge in on a call to interupt it if needed? In a case say in the States if a called party is tied up with a call and somone else is trying to break into the call for a emergency reason can that be done on asterisk? That is not permited here in canada. |
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| 06:18.46 | jair_11 | and I am like crazy looking for manuals, howt0, tutorials. etc. |
| 06:18.48 | gekkito | figfig: what is the correct type option? |
| 06:18.53 | Lee__ | gekkito: maybe just /dev/sda? |
| 06:18.54 | jla | jair_11 I think it was proftpd. I tried vs and didn't like it for some reason. It was making it difficult to do the custom stuff I wanted and proftpd did the trick |
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| 06:18.54 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 06:19.07 | peet | hey can i install the rpm packages for ati drivers? |
| 06:19.12 | maher | how do i execute a script as tho I were cron? |
| 06:19.34 | jetscreamer | Lee__, you seem to be knowing so you know to add it to /etc/modules for load_on_boot eh |
| 06:19.39 | jair_11 | jla, but I was reading and heard about "vsftpd" the best right now |
| 06:19.44 | alus | !tell peet about alien |
| 06:19.44 | Angelsdemon | Lee__ : do "fdisk -l" |
| 06:19.44 | gekkito | Lee__: nop, same error |
| 06:19.54 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: ya, thanks though. |
| 06:19.56 | jla | Lee__ interesting. 2.6.8-2-k7 crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 1 Mar 1 19:09 /dev/psaux |
| 06:19.57 | figfig | peet: I think there is a rpm to deb conversion util, but I don't know anything about it. |
| 06:20.22 | Angelsdemon | Lee__ : that will show it's file system... |
| 06:20.27 | alus | !tell figfig about alien |
| 06:20.30 | jla | jair_11 many people say it's very secure (maybe the name sticks in their heads). It seemed good, but not flexible enough for what I needed |
| 06:20.54 | Lee__ | woah, this is weird. so X starts now and gives me a mouse pointer but...it doesn't move!! |
| 06:20.54 | Angelsdemon | Lee__ : then just do: "mount -t xxxx /dev/sda......" |
| 06:20.57 | peet | figfig: well i looked in synaptic and RPM is installed, so does taht mean i can use rpmss? |
| 06:20.58 | jla | jair_11 proftp was very apache like to config, a plus for me. Someday I expect that apache2 will do ftp. |
| 06:21.14 | Lee__ | Angelsdemon: wrong guy, gekkito asked the question |
| 06:21.24 | peet | alus: i have an rpm package installed in apt-get does that mean im rpm ready? |
| 06:21.31 | Angelsdemon | Lee__ : oops... sorry... |
| 06:21.46 | jair_11 | jla, ohh ok |
| 06:21.48 | Angelsdemon | gekkito : read what i wrote to Lee__ |
| 06:21.51 | jetscreamer | ps2 i guess, or is it usb? maybe modprobe psmouse, but that one usually works by itself |
| 06:21.54 | alus | peet: no clue |
| 06:22.05 | Lee__ | it's PS/2 |
| 06:22.11 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: not supported by kernel |
| 06:22.11 | jair_11 | jla, do you know a very easy to follow apache tutorial that I can get? |
| 06:22.22 | figfig | peet: I don't know much about rpms in debian. |
| 06:22.39 | jetscreamer | alien+rpm functions, i dunno what rpm by itself does |
| 06:22.55 | jla | jair_11 hmm. not offhand. I just read the config file comments and looked up how directives worked on apache.org. |
| 06:22.56 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: psmouse was the one. thanks. this seems almost like a bug... |
| 06:22.57 | Angelsdemon | gekkito :what kernel you running? |
| 06:23.07 | jetscreamer | Lee__, yeah i know |
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| 06:23.24 | jetscreamer | on discover or hotplug though i guess |
| 06:23.27 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 06:23.34 | gekkito | 2.6.8-2 |
| 06:23.41 | dilku | exit |
| 06:23.57 | Lee__ | Maya 6 is only shiped via RPM, and Alien does convert the RPM to a .deb but I don't have a licence so I don't know if it actually runs :) |
| 06:24.25 | jair_11 | jla, ok |
| 06:24.27 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 06:24.28 | cafuego | Lee__: Does it whine about missing libs or depends after installation? |
| 06:24.48 | jair_11 | jla, do I need to set up a real domain name at the installaetion? |
| 06:25.00 | Lee__ | it needs some arcane version of some IRIX GUI library |
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| 06:25.12 | Angelsdemon | gekkito : try "cfdisk /dev/sda" |
| 06:25.14 | cafuego | peet: *do not* use 'rpm' to install software. Convert it to a deb in 'alien' |
| 06:25.19 | jair_11 | jla, or I can configure it with a fake one then later apply the static IP and the real stuff |
| 06:25.24 | jla | jair_11 it is easiest that way if you don't know where to go to change stuff, but it can all be changed later |
| 06:25.25 | cafuego | Lee__: libXm? |
| 06:25.32 | Lee__ | but they appear to have updated version 6 to actually use a modern libstdc++ :) |
| 06:25.33 | jla | how long is later? |
| 06:25.40 | jair_11 | jla, ok |
| 06:25.40 | Lee__ | ya, libXm |
| 06:25.42 | jair_11 | nice |
| 06:25.55 | cafuego | Lee__: Just use lesstiff, should be compatible. |
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| 06:26.10 | jair_11 | jla, 1 week |
| 06:26.10 | Lee__ | that's it OpenMotif |
| 06:26.15 | jla | jair_11 you could use a private ip and make up your own hostname like server.jair |
| 06:26.16 | soren9580 | i'm trying to run ircd and i keep getting this error: do not run ircd setuid root. |
| 06:26.22 | Lee__ | but Alias says that's a no-no :) |
| 06:26.30 | soren9580 | but when i try to run it as a regular user it says permission denied |
| 06:26.34 | soren9580 | how do i start ircd? |
| 06:26.40 | cafuego | Or the acual payware Motif source is available somewhere too, I used to have a copy <heh> |
| 06:26.41 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: Fatal Error, bad primary partition 0: partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 06:26.45 | jair_11 | jla, until I figure put all the network parameters, static IP, web site on place, etc. |
| 06:26.53 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: but on sda1 works |
| 06:27.00 | Angelsdemon | ok |
| 06:27.08 | Angelsdemon | gekkito :what file sys does it claim? |
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| 06:27.09 | Lee__ | I love it. Linux warez! |
| 06:27.18 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: fstype: FAT16 |
| 06:27.20 | jla | soren9580 how about invoke-rc.d ircd as root? |
| 06:27.32 | jair_11 | jla, you mean a share server on my intranet? |
| 06:27.57 | cafuego | Lee__: it's l33+! |
| 06:28.07 | soren9580 | invoke-rc.d? not found |
| 06:28.11 | Lee__ | !warez |
| 06:28.11 | dpkg | i guess warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?strip_id=275, or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 06:28.16 | jla | jair_11 if you have an intranet I mean use a name appropriate for it while configuring. Then you have a domain name to work with for the next week |
| 06:28.19 | cafuego | Lee__: Well, it used to be back when I was half my current age <heh> |
| 06:28.44 | jair_11 | ohhh ok |
| 06:28.59 | Angelsdemon | gekkito :did you try "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /...."? |
| 06:29.04 | Lee__ | Alias won't even endores any distros except Fedora (maybe RHEL) and Suse |
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| 06:29.17 | Lee__ | s/endorse/support/ |
| 06:29.31 | soren9580 | how do i identify myself in IRC so i can join certain channels |
| 06:29.39 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: yep....tried it with "-t vfat", and "-t msdos"...no luck |
| 06:29.52 | AngelsDemon | gekkito : what error did it give? |
| 06:30.03 | bob2 | soren9580: /msg nickserv help |
| 06:30.13 | AngelsDemon | gekkito are you doing this as root? |
| 06:30.22 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: yep |
| 06:30.26 | soren9580 | thanks |
| 06:30.49 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: error: "wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock...." |
| 06:30.49 | AngelsDemon | gekkito this is a flash drive... correct? |
| 06:30.54 | AngelsDemon | gekkito usb? |
| 06:31.07 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: correct...usb flash drive kingston |
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| 06:31.15 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: 128 MB |
| 06:31.22 | AngelsDemon | gekkito :hmm... good namebrand at least.... |
| 06:31.35 | AngelsDemon | gekkito do you have another comp to try it on? |
| 06:31.36 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: :) |
| 06:31.57 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: yep, but with windows |
| 06:32.00 | Lee__ | what are the big differences between hotplug and discover? |
| 06:32.13 | Lee__ | gekkito: what's dmesg say? |
| 06:32.13 | AngelsDemon | gekkito did you try it on there? |
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| 06:32.58 | Lee__ | pr, is it a Bad Idea to have both hotplug and discover installed at once? |
| 06:33.02 | valdyn_ | Lee__: discover runs once to detect hardware, discover gets called from the kernel when new hardware is plugged in |
| 06:33.19 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: i just double checked right now...working perfectly in windows |
| 06:33.20 | valdyn_ | Lee__: discover runs once to detect hardware, *hotplug* gets called from the kernel when new hardware is plugged in |
| 06:33.29 | jetscreamer | holy fuck ubuntu donated 96 bucks to freenode and debian only donated 48? that's pathetic |
| 06:33.43 | jetscreamer | and we're waaaay down on the list |
| 06:33.48 | Lee__ | valdyn_: so they do the same thing? |
| 06:33.56 | mwilson | Ubuntu has a sugar daddy. |
| 06:33.57 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: ok... well there goes the corrupted part table i was thinking of..... |
| 06:34.05 | gekkito | Lee__: dmesg says: "can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1" |
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| 06:34.26 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: corrupted part table? |
| 06:34.26 | AngelsDemon | gekkito : try -t autofs |
| 06:34.28 | valdyn_ | Lee__: initially, rougly, yea, i suppose, but hotplug gets called each time you plug a hotplug device |
| 06:34.29 | jetscreamer | discover also tries to load stuff on_boot, which is still exactly what valdyn_ said |
| 06:34.37 | jetscreamer | err s/discover/hotplug/ |
| 06:34.37 | Lee__ | perhaps hotplug + discover will conflict then looking for the mouse driver and not load any at all? |
| 06:34.41 | AngelsDemon | gekkito : yeah.... |
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| 06:35.01 | jetscreamer | Lee__, *usually* psmouse does get loaded htough |
| 06:35.07 | Lee__ | gekkito: you didn't format it NTFS, did you? |
| 06:35.11 | AngelsDemon | gekkito i've seen it happen before... the partition table (granted it usually contains only one entry for the whole thing) sometimes gets corrupted |
| 06:35.14 | Nwallins | dmesg | grep nvidia - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. Is the nvidia module installed correctly? |
| 06:35.18 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: -t autofs gives the same error as if i do a -t vfat |
| 06:35.25 | valdyn_ | Lee__: not normally. |
| 06:35.27 | AngelsDemon | gekkito ok... |
| 06:35.42 | jetscreamer | yes that license thing doesn't affect the modules functionality Nwallins |
| 06:35.49 | jetscreamer | unless you installed it wrong |
| 06:35.50 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: this system is kind of fucked, I built a custom kernel before 2.6.8 was in sarge and removed it just today. Don't know how that broke it but something did. |
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| 06:36.12 | Nwallins | jetscreamer: yeah it's not that.. X is hanging and i'm trying to check things off the list |
| 06:36.13 | spowers | holy wow there are a lot of people in here |
| 06:36.13 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: so....i guess i'll have to reformat it or something |
| 06:36.25 | Lee__ | Nwallins: that means if your system dies cause of your video driver there is nothing you can do except complain to Nvidia |
| 06:36.26 | unknown_lamer | spowers: not really |
| 06:36.29 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, /var/log |
| 06:36.48 | valdyn_ | Lee__: the purpose is entirely different, discover is to load drivers for devies it finds, hotplug gets told by the kernel if something is found. ( after the initial setup ). The kernel actually calls /sbin/hotplug |
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| 06:36.59 | jetscreamer | and the nvidia stuff works fine when you do it right... but doing it right, that's the trick |
| 06:37.03 | gekkito | Lee__: well...NTFS not that I know....but cfdisk /dev/sda1 states fstype=FAT16 |
| 06:37.16 | AngelsDemon | gekkito : plug it in your windows machine, copy the data, format it as a fat sys... then copy data back |
| 06:37.17 | spowers | unknown_lamer: well, idling at least. it's an interesting case for the IRC protocol |
| 06:37.24 | Nwallins | yeah. all the nvidia-kernel packages got bumped into unstable, which threw off module-assistant |
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| 06:37.31 | Lee__ | !tell Nwallins about nvidia |
| 06:37.34 | peet | cafuego: ok i wanted to install ati drivers that were provided in rpm form, so can i just alien that? |
| 06:37.46 | Nwallins | thanks Lee, but that's out of date because of above issue |
| 06:37.48 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: ok, thankx |
| 06:37.49 | jetscreamer | yes peet |
| 06:37.56 | Lee__ | !tell peetabout ati |
| 06:37.57 | valdyn_ | peet: /msg dpkg ati |
| 06:38.02 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:38.33 | Lee__ | Nwallins: I got nvidia drivers installed that way with a Quadro on 2.6.8 + sarge |
| 06:38.47 | jetscreamer | i don't know what it's like now, but i found the nvidia-installer a lot easier to deal with |
| 06:38.52 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: let me know if that works |
| 06:38.58 | jetscreamer | back then |
| 06:39.03 | Lee__ | I'm fond of module-assistant |
| 06:39.08 | molo | anyone know anything about GTK 1.2 breakage in sarge? |
| 06:39.25 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: you might have to recompile your kernel with more devices added |
| 06:39.28 | Nwallins | module-assistant worked great once nvidia-kernel-source was installed from sid |
| 06:39.28 | jetscreamer | !b.d.o |
| 06:39.33 | jetscreamer | boooo |
| 06:39.36 | peet | jetscreamer: ok so if i alien it it should work right? |
| 06:39.41 | jetscreamer | yes peet |
| 06:39.45 | valdyn_ | peet: NO |
| 06:39.45 | EvanCarroll | nothing aliened works right |
| 06:39.46 | jetscreamer | so it says |
| 06:39.46 | peet | jetscreamer: i tried following hte tutorial to no avail |
| 06:39.47 | EvanCarroll | =/ |
| 06:40.00 | Lee__ | Do I want to entrust font management to defoma? i never really knew what that question was for. |
| 06:40.02 | jetscreamer | peet, no idea i'm a diehard nvda fan |
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| 06:40.07 | jetscreamer | yes Lee__ |
| 06:40.09 | peet | valdyn_: the tutoral no work for me |
| 06:40.10 | jetscreamer | you do |
| 06:40.12 | EvanCarroll | Lee__: yes |
| 06:40.24 | Lee__ | what could be some cases to not? |
| 06:40.28 | valdyn_ | !doesn't work |
| 06:40.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:40.29 | jetscreamer | Lee__, don't let discover manage mount points btw |
| 06:40.34 | jetscreamer | if you're a font god? |
| 06:40.43 | Lee__ | I am not a font god |
| 06:41.04 | Nwallins | i said yes once and found out later that i had no applicable fonts |
| 06:41.25 | EvanCarroll | fonts are for newbs |
| 06:41.29 | jetscreamer | that sounds difficult to do, Nwallins :) |
| 06:41.35 | Lee__ | I gave up on automounting stuff and just stuck to Gnome's "computer" window. Got cdroms and a USB drive to mount that was :) |
| 06:41.44 | Crow- | Fuck! Why does the installer not support usb keyboards? |
| 06:41.52 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: sure, another question...where can i see a list of all packages available to download with apt-get...i mean sometimes i want to install software but i just don't know the package's name |
| 06:41.54 | Nwallins | well.. so i've said no ever since and my fonts are completely satisfying in every way |
| 06:41.59 | jetscreamer | Crow-, turn on dos usb supoprt in bios |
| 06:42.00 | Lee__ | !fuck |
| 06:42.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 06:42.09 | Nwallins | !fuck himself |
| 06:42.22 | Crow- | jethro: i have... i'll try again. |
| 06:42.30 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 06:42.31 | gekkito | Angelsdemon: recompiling the kernel....that 'd be a fun ride |
| 06:42.45 | Lee__ | gekkito: apt-get install synaptic |
| 06:42.54 | jetscreamer | oh Nwallins .. #nvidia |
| 06:43.04 | Nwallins | yeah.. thanks for the help though |
| 06:43.08 | jetscreamer | compiling a kernel is easy |
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| 06:43.16 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: have you tried aptitude? |
| 06:43.21 | Lee__ | compiling a kernel makes me want to die |
| 06:43.22 | jetscreamer | i thought it'd be a lot harder |
| 06:43.31 | Lee__ | cause it takes so long |
| 06:43.42 | cat | how can u see wvm? |
| 06:43.44 | Crow- | jetscreamer: btw, usb keyboard is enabled in bios.. it doesnt work with bf2.4 |
| 06:43.51 | cafuego | Does php4 work with apache2-mpm-threaded these days? |
| 06:43.53 | cat | wmv |
| 06:43.57 | Nwallins | it seems like every time i stray off the path for software X, it hoses the installation for package Y |
| 06:43.57 | jetscreamer | Crow-, is this a server? get d-i man! |
| 06:44.01 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: i tend to use it alot because it makes it easier on dependencies |
| 06:44.07 | cat | is any way that u can see wvm/ |
| 06:44.14 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:44.44 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: otherwise... you can use: apt-get update;apt-cache search xxxxxxxxx |
| 06:44.57 | jetscreamer | they need to put a disclaimer type link on the woody download page to d-i dangit |
| 06:45.27 | gekkito | Angelsdemon, Lee__: aptitude, synaptic ...both package managers i guess? |
| 06:45.33 | jetscreamer | that was if it's not a server get d-i |
| 06:45.41 | Crow- | jetsreamer: yes it is. ahh nice. It's been over a year since ive used debian.. glad to see bootfloppies is not the only answer anymore |
| 06:45.51 | jetscreamer | yes gekkito but... |
| 06:45.54 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 06:45.55 | dpkg | [dselect] a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: ... |
| 06:45.56 | jetscreamer | is your god |
| 06:46.01 | jetscreamer | err their god |
| 06:46.10 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: i prefere aptitude (although i know a few people that want to kill me for saying that) but you can just hit "u" and it updates, and tells you all the new packages and updated packages, then just hit "g" twice to get the files |
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| 06:46.25 | jetscreamer | actually no aptitude is the new default |
| 06:46.28 | Lee__ | !tell gekkito about synaptic |
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| 06:47.23 | jetscreamer | it depends on the depends... |
| 06:47.24 | sysdrum_ | hola |
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| 06:48.12 | jetscreamer | i found out recently this guy i've known for a long time has had to wear depends for a long time... |
| 06:48.19 | AngelsDemon | dpkg yeah... dselect is good... but aptitude is much easier i find for newer people to linux.... |
| 06:48.19 | dpkg | okay, AngelsDemon |
| 06:48.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg, forget yeah... |
| 06:48.37 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'yeah...' to forget, jetscreamer |
| 06:48.39 | gekkito | i'll have a look at those 3...although dselect was a little bit ackward...i tried during debian install |
| 06:48.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg, forget yeah... dselect |
| 06:48.44 | dpkg | i forgot yeah... dselect, jetscreamer |
| 06:49.20 | jetscreamer | aptitude for console, and it's the new d-i default package manager.. synaptic for gui |
| 06:49.58 | Lee__ | yea! X is working again! with a mouse! |
| 06:50.03 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:50.09 | jetscreamer | !X |
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| 06:50.29 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:50.34 | gekkito | i see |
| 06:50.52 | jetscreamer | !X en es wtf is this! |
| 06:50.54 | dpkg | ¡el wtf es éste! |
| 06:50.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:51.11 | Lee__ | time to load the christina aguliera GDM login screen and make friends cringe and laugh |
| 06:51.31 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf for a few tweaks |
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| 06:51.39 | jetscreamer | but you probably know that |
| 06:51.57 | AngelsDemon | gekkito ... i would recomed aptitude if you want a nice easy setup |
| 06:51.58 | Lee__ | a friend and I made our own theme. it's not online but it's hidious. |
| 06:52.18 | Coke | Every day I logon to freenode, someone has taken my nick so I have to recover and release it. Is it any way to prevent people from using it while I'm not online? |
| 06:52.38 | jetscreamer | Coke, it's called /msg nickserv help |
| 06:52.44 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 06:52.50 | AngelsDemon | gekkito unless you know what you want, then it's "apt-get install xxxx" all the way |
| 06:52.53 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: thanx for the tip |
| 06:53.07 | jetscreamer | not sure about keeping it free when not in use.. you could autoidentify, i do |
| 06:53.40 | Coke | jetscreamer: or /msg nickserv set secure on |
| 06:53.56 | Coke | I already did that, but it seems that setting has been lost. |
| 06:54.17 | Coke | a long time ago. |
| 06:54.17 | jetscreamer | somebody in #freenode would know |
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| 06:54.34 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: i just formatted usb key....same errors as before...cfdisk states fstype is now "W95 FAT32" |
| 06:54.40 | Coke | yeah, well, I turned secure on again. i hope it stays secure. |
| 06:55.00 | peet | ok so i have 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel image on my setup but i want the sources and there are none listed in apt-cache? |
| 06:55.14 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: tried -t vfat ... autofs |
| 06:55.19 | Lee__ | gekkito: what does 'lsmod | grep fat' say? |
| 06:55.24 | Coke | peet: you're not looking for -k7 in the sources? |
| 06:55.31 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: ok.. well that's a start |
| 06:55.36 | Coke | peet: just 2.6.8 sources |
| 06:55.42 | AngelsDemon | gekkito both failed? or did they work? |
| 06:55.47 | Lee__ | peet: apt-cache search kernel-sources |
| 06:56.17 | peet | ok cuz i want to build the ati drivers (again) and they need the sources |
| 06:56.21 | gekkito | Lee__: vfat 1, fat 2 msdos, vfat |
| 06:56.26 | peet | so the 2.6.8 sources shoudl work with the -2-k7 image right? |
| 06:56.30 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: both failed |
| 06:56.41 | Coke | peet: no |
| 06:56.51 | A-liyaoshi | anybody try or have run the apt tools in redhat ? |
| 06:56.51 | Coke | peet: the source and the image don't work together in any way |
| 06:56.51 | AngelsDemon | gekkito hmm.... |
| 06:56.53 | peet | =[ |
| 06:56.57 | Coke | peet: the sources are for building an image |
| 06:57.04 | Lee__ | peet: yes, I did it this afternoon |
| 06:57.20 | disasm | A-liyaoshi: what does that have to do with debian out of curiosity? |
| 06:57.26 | Lee__ | but you end up making your own kernel so the -k7 is kind of irrelevant |
| 06:57.30 | peet | Lee__: ok so i can use the 2.6.8 sources with -2-k7 image? cool |
| 06:57.31 | A-liyaoshi | just have fun |
| 06:57.36 | Coke | peet: NO |
| 06:57.38 | Lee__ | I named my kernel *-ati |
| 06:57.42 | Coke | peet: you DON'T use the source with the iamge |
| 06:57.48 | Coke | peet: the image is the produce of the sources |
| 06:57.54 | Coke | Lee__: quit messing with his head |
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| 06:58.02 | Lee__ | sorry. I didn't fully understand. |
| 06:58.11 | A-liyaoshi | disasm :have you try it? |
| 06:58.12 | Coke | peet: if you install the sources and build your own kernel you won't need the kernel image you are currently using. |
| 06:58.13 | disasm | A-liyaoshi: no i haven't avoid rpm distros like the plague, i'd use lfs before fc or mdk |
| 06:58.15 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: try doing: mount /dev/sd*1 /.... |
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| 06:58.22 | peet | Coke: well my point is that the ati drivers need the source to compile and there is no source for the image im using |
| 06:58.24 | AngelsDemon | gekkito it should autodetect it |
| 06:58.31 | Coke | peet: no, it needs the headers |
| 06:58.51 | peet | Coke: i have the headers but the tutorial calls for the source |
| 06:59.03 | Coke | peet: but if you use the sources it will be a NEW kernel which is probably not compatible with the image you are currently using and it's modules. |
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| 06:59.11 | shingouz | !kp |
| 06:59.11 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 06:59.13 | AngelsDemon | gekkito if that doesn't work... try doing -t msdos |
| 06:59.23 | Lee__ | I had to rebuild the source cause the dude recommended to set CONFIG_FB=NO |
| 06:59.37 | Coke | peet: I don't know about ATI, I use nvidia, but let's say you need the sources, that's ok. |
| 06:59.53 | abrocadabro | I have a php file which uses mysql_connect(), and the error says it's undefined, which package do I need to install to get it? |
| 06:59.58 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: no luck...did -t msdos, -t vfat, -t autofs |
| 07:00.03 | Coke | peet: but the sources and the image you build from those sources have nothing to do with the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 you are currently running. |
| 07:00.16 | shingouz | !tell peet about ati |
| 07:00.17 | peet | Coke: i dont want to makea new kernel image |
| 07:00.18 | AngelsDemon | gekkito did you try just NOT specifying a type? |
| 07:00.23 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: but yesterday a friend tried his usb and it worked perfectly |
| 07:00.25 | disasm | abrocadabro: mysql and php-mysql probly |
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| 07:00.36 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: yes I did...it says I must specify one |
| 07:00.38 | peet | Coke: i just want to install the drivers which require the source for the image im using |
| 07:00.46 | disasm | abrocadabro: err php4-mysql |
| 07:00.57 | peet | shingouz: yes that is the tut im using |
| 07:00.57 | AngelsDemon | gekkito is there a light on the flash drive? for when it's working? |
| 07:01.03 | Coke | peet: ok. you want to know if building the ATI-driver using the 2.6.8 source will provide a kernel module compatible with the 2.6.8-2-k7 image? |
| 07:01.08 | EvanCarroll | Anyone here know how to fix a error 513 relaying delayed, i'm using courier-mta |
| 07:01.17 | peet | Coke: yes |
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| 07:01.32 | EvanCarroll | peet: yes, just make k7 your acheticture when you compile |
| 07:01.50 | EvanCarroll | peet: if you use menuconfig it will be under general options i believe |
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| 07:01.55 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: yes and it's on |
| 07:02.02 | abrocadabro | disasm:I did have php4-mysql installed according to dpkg |
| 07:02.02 | peet | EvanCarroll: im not compiling a new kernel, im jus tocmpiling ati drivers |
| 07:02.04 | AngelsDemon | on solid? or flashing? |
| 07:02.07 | Coke | EvanCarroll: no, he doesn't want to compile the kernel |
| 07:02.11 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: solid |
| 07:02.21 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: do you thinks it's just my usb key? |
| 07:02.25 | Coke | peet: ok. I'm not sure. it sounds weird that ATI would require the sources to the kernel. |
| 07:02.25 | AngelsDemon | gekkito is that what its usually doing? |
| 07:02.27 | roo9 | for some reason even setting "Advertise this list" to yes does not cause the list to show up on the listinfo page, mailman 2.0.11, any ideas how to get mailman to show the list? |
| 07:02.30 | peet | Coke: is there a patch that i can patch the sources to -2-k7 |
| 07:02.31 | EvanCarroll | ... the ati drivers have nothing to do with k7 |
| 07:02.38 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: it usually flashes |
| 07:02.41 | AngelsDemon | gekkito not really.... |
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| 07:02.46 | peet | EvanCarroll: they require the source config i guess or something |
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| 07:02.55 | Coke | peet: try installing kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 07:02.56 | peet | EvanCarroll: which my current image lacks |
| 07:02.57 | abrocadabro | disasm: I have php4, php4-common, php4-mysql |
| 07:02.59 | AngelsDemon | gekkito my wireless usb adapter does the same thing.... it just stays on |
| 07:02.59 | EvanCarroll | peet: but k7 referrs to AMD |
| 07:03.02 | Coke | peet: no |
| 07:03.12 | AngelsDemon | gekkito it means that it detects it... just isn't quite sure what to do with it |
| 07:03.19 | Coke | peet: the patches are already applied and the -k7 indicates the target architecture which is determined during compile! |
| 07:03.32 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: I see |
| 07:03.32 | peet | Coke: i have tried it but i dont' really understand how to implement it with the tutorial |
| 07:03.38 | Coke | peet: try installing the package I mentioned and try installing ati's drivers again |
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| 07:03.54 | shingouz | peet: all 2.6.8 kernels are built of the same source. it doesnt matter if the kernel itself is named i386 or k7 or whatever. still the same source.. |
| 07:03.54 | peet | Coke: i have tried it already =\ |
| 07:04.04 | abrocadabro | disasm: this page used to be hosted by FC3 since we were attacked due to outdated phpbb , I switched it to debian sarge |
| 07:04.05 | AngelsDemon | gekkito most likely.... the "drivers" for it aren't being loaded |
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| 07:04.08 | chocobobby | Anyone have experience troubleshooting isapnp cards (i.e. modems)? |
| 07:04.11 | EvanCarroll | peet: not to shoot you off topic here, but ati drivers are a myth - i can't get mine working =/ |
| 07:04.13 | peet | shingouz: so then i should be fine using the 2.6.8 source right? |
| 07:04.15 | AlexPerry | who |
| 07:04.20 | shingouz | peet: yes |
| 07:04.28 | peet | EvanCarroll: ill keep trying =\ |
| 07:04.32 | peet | EvanCarroll: been at it for a week |
| 07:04.35 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: maybe the kernel needs a new module? |
| 07:04.39 | abrocadabro | disasm: do you reckon it has incompability problems? |
| 07:04.43 | Coke | peet: unfortunately, you have to know a thing or two when compiling kernels. I don't think you need the compile the kernel or even have the sources for the ATI driver, that would be insane, but I don't know for sure since I use nvidia. |
| 07:04.52 | AlexPerry | Anybody here happen to be familiar with the mailing list rules - in practice? |
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| 07:04.56 | Coke | peet: and nvidia (and any other proprietary driver I've used) just need the headers. |
| 07:04.57 | fester | hi i cant manage to get libXrandr to install |
| 07:05.05 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: did you make your kernel? or download the img already made? |
| 07:05.10 | EvanCarroll | Coke: ati only need headers now too |
| 07:05.20 | peet | Coke: the ati drivers need something from the source or headers but im not sure how to use headeres since the tutorial calls for source |
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| 07:05.25 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: downloaded the img already made |
| 07:05.31 | Coke | peet: you don't need to USE them |
| 07:05.38 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: do you know how to make a kernel? |
| 07:05.40 | peet | Coke: i meant have them |
| 07:05.43 | AlexPerry | ATI just needs the kernel headers, but if you alien the rpm, you need some soft links and a dpkg-divert |
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| 07:05.52 | Coke | peet: just install the headers |
| 07:05.57 | peet | Coke: i have |
| 07:06.10 | peet | Coke: and i can't figure out what to do wiht them |
| 07:06.27 | Coke | peet: i think you might need ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8 /usr/src/linux |
| 07:06.27 | AlexPerry | peet: Did you alien the rpm and install it ? |
| 07:06.41 | Lee__ | oh crap, a module I need in sarge is out of sync with the kernels in sarge so it's un-useable |
| 07:06.47 | peet | AlexPerry: im using the debian provided on the tutorial site |
| 07:06.55 | AlexPerry | peet: yeah, coke is right. You want to have a softlink for /usr/src/linux to the _correct_ version header. |
| 07:06.57 | peet | Coke: perhaps let me try tha |
| 07:06.58 | Coke | peet: sometimes people just assume the linux headers and/or sources are in /usr/src/linux. it's a stupid thing. |
| 07:07.14 | peet | Coke: tryign now |
| 07:07.27 | AlexPerry | peet: I didn't do that ... I just fetched the rpm directly from the ATI website and then used alien to convert it into a deb. Works fine for me. |
| 07:07.29 | chocobobby | I've got supraexpress modem upon looking at dmesg its set to /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 but when I used pppconfig to set it to that port and pon it won't connect to the modem any suggestions? |
| 07:07.31 | Coke | peet: what does ls -l /usr/src/linux say? |
| 07:07.38 | cafuego | AARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 07:07.54 | simonrvn | cafuego: HHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGRRRRRRAAAAAA |
| 07:07.56 | peet | debian-ixce:/usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel-src# ls -l /usr/src/linux |
| 07:07.59 | peet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 34 Mar 1 23:10 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 07:08.00 | AlexPerry | cafuego: Kindly wear a gag when you say that 8-) |
| 07:08.03 | shingouz | cafuego: need caffeine? |
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| 07:08.09 | cafuego | They booked me on a 1am depart 6am arrive flight |
| 07:08.10 | Coke | peet: good. try installing ati drivers now. |
| 07:08.19 | Lee__ | cafuego: awesome |
| 07:08.28 | shingouz | cafuego: aauugh is about right :( |
| 07:08.31 | Lee__ | hope the movie is good |
| 07:08.34 | simonrvn | cafuego: wassup? |
| 07:08.48 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: no...last week when I tried to install woody....woody didn't recognize my ethercard, soundcard, video card... so I was trying to compile a module for my ethercard...and tried to compile the kernel....at the end i just gave up and installed sarge :) |
| 07:09.01 | cafuego | simonrvn: 2-day job in Malaysia |
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| 07:09.08 | peet | Coke: debian-ixce:/usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel-src# module-assistant -k /usr/src/linux build fglrx-kernel |
| 07:09.09 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: Yeah, but the money they saved on the plane will go towards your yearly bonus. |
| 07:09.11 | peet | gives and error of sorts |
| 07:09.12 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: sarge works great...except for this usb key issue |
| 07:09.13 | peet | but finishes? |
| 07:09.15 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: Try using MINICOM (same named package) and make sure you can get responses from the modem. |
| 07:09.23 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: contractors don't get a bonus |
| 07:09.26 | simonrvn | ow. 2 days there, then back? yikes. at least you're close :/ |
| 07:09.28 | AngelsDemon | gekkito i'm running sarge now... it works just fine for me.... |
| 07:09.32 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: it was a joke anyway :) |
| 07:09.34 | AngelsDemon | gekkito i just try doing to much |
| 07:09.34 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: they NORMALLY get business class flights, though |
| 07:09.35 | chocobobby | alexperry: I've tried wvdial and it wouldn't detect anything |
| 07:09.39 | AngelsDemon | ^^ |
| 07:09.58 | AlexPerry | gekkito: A popular thing people do is to try to use VFAT filesystem without having the NLS available. Check the dmesg. |
| 07:10.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: Doing funky computer stuff at a Coca Cola conference |
| 07:10.03 | Coke | peet: what the heck is that that you just pasted? |
| 07:10.15 | Coke | cafuego: Coca Cola conference? |
| 07:10.23 | AlexPerry | cafuego: So become a consultant ... that way you pay yourself a bonus. |
| 07:10.26 | chocobobby | alexperry thanks for the suggestion but im not sure how to install it without a connection |
| 07:10.28 | peet | Coke: part of the tutorial thing ok so the error is that make[1]: *** No rule to make target `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 07:10.31 | simonrvn | eew, coca-cola. hope you have fun at least |
| 07:10.52 | Coke | peet: what command did you run to produce that error? |
| 07:10.55 | peet | Coke: there is a problem wiht the makefile in the kenrel-headers |
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| 07:11.05 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: Sounds to me like you don't have a working modem. I prefer to use minicom because I get more control over the process. BTW. |
| 07:11.10 | Coke | peet: I don't think there is a makefile in the headers |
| 07:11.15 | peet | Coke: I built the module |
| 07:11.18 | Coke | peet: you are using the makefile wrong it seems |
| 07:11.22 | Coke | peet: ok... ? |
| 07:11.35 | peet | Coke: im just following the steps in the tutorial |
| 07:11.41 | AlexPerry | peet: There is no makefile for that ... stand by |
| 07:11.51 | chocobobby | alexperry the modem is working....It works in another box and I've tested all the isa slots with other cards and they work |
| 07:11.51 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: i have good instructions on how to compile the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 07:12.05 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: let me quick grab the site for you... |
| 07:12.10 | shingouz | all this talk about coke and coca-cola... i need caffeine *now* :) |
| 07:12.11 | cafuego | simonrvn: it's in the northern tip of Borneo, should be ok. (IF I get to go, as I'm waiting for a new passport...) |
| 07:12.13 | peet | AlexPerry: ok, if you can't help me im gonna downgrade to regular 2.6.8 kernel |
| 07:12.14 | gekkito | AlexPerry: dmesg says "FAT invalid media value (0xb9), VFS: can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1" |
| 07:12.29 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: great! |
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| 07:12.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: capiche |
| 07:13.05 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: It's a 200kB packet, fits easily on a floppy if desperate. |
| 07:13.32 | AlexPerry | gekkito: Try looking at /dev/sda as well as /dev/sda1 ... some devices do not have a partition table. |
| 07:13.35 | chocobobby | alexperry I'll have to ready up on apt from a local drive...thanks for the suggestion |
| 07:14.20 | AlexPerry | peet: On my machine I have a directory /lib/modules/fglrx that is created by the package (from alien). That's where you have to do the work. |
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| 07:14.31 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: damn... i think the site might be down.... |
| 07:14.46 | peet | AlexPerry: have you gotten your setup to work using alien? |
| 07:14.46 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: try going to: http://logicerror.dyndns.org |
| 07:15.10 | AlexPerry | peet: You need to run the command bash make_install.sh |
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| 07:15.34 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: did you get there? |
| 07:15.38 | AlexPerry | peet: You cannot just invoke the script using "./name" because they didn't set the execute bit. When you do that, it'll complain that the appropriate module is not already available. |
| 07:15.54 | peet | AlexPerry: see here, Im following the guide that dpkg ati gives, but if its easier to use alien i will |
| 07:16.04 | cafuego | simonrvn: www.nexusresort.com (flash) |
| 07:16.08 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: i get "connection refused" |
| 07:16.16 | AngelsDemon | damn... |
| 07:16.18 | AlexPerry | peet: That's how I did all my machines, both debian/woody/x86, debian/sarge/x86 and debian/sid/amd64 ... |
| 07:16.19 | AngelsDemon | sites down then.... |
| 07:16.38 | peet | AlexPerry: do you think you can walk me through the steps then? |
| 07:16.43 | AlexPerry | The latter I've got trouble with devices drivers (unrelated to ATI) for the mouse on the new kernel (sigh). |
| 07:16.47 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: my friend is actually the one who wrote it.... |
| 07:16.49 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: anyway i just put it on my bookmarks |
| 07:16.56 | EvanCarroll | Anyone here know how to fix a error 513 relaying delayed, i'm using courier-mta |
| 07:17.02 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: cool |
| 07:17.14 | AlexPerry | peet: If you get stuck, send me an e-mail at work alex.perry@qm.com and I'll try to help more in the morning. Returning to the topic at hand ... |
| 07:17.24 | peet | AlexPerry: Let me downgrade to 2.6.8 image and try that and if that fails ill come to you for help =] |
| 07:17.26 | roo9 | my mailman listinfo page only displays lists that are associated with the current domain. IE. a list that uses the domain "xyz.com" won't show up on the listinfo page if the url to the listinfo page is "abc.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo" |
| 07:17.29 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: ok... when you get there... click on "KC" (knowledge center) at the top... then go to the "debian testing, kernel 2.6.8 from source |
| 07:17.35 | simonrvn | cafuego: oh i won't bother then. --purged the flash player i had =) |
| 07:17.44 | AngelsDemon | otherwise... |
| 07:17.44 | fusion | How do you remove a .conf file from being enabled in the .deb's of apache, anyone? I've asked in apache and they said to ask here cause thats debian specific |
| 07:17.45 | AlexPerry | peet: I doubt it will help unless you have a prebuilt module. |
| 07:17.47 | AngelsDemon | do you have gaim? |
| 07:17.56 | AlexPerry | peet: On the other hand, no harm trying, right ? |
| 07:18.31 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: you have gaim? or aim? or whatever? |
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| 07:18.56 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: yep...i have gaim |
| 07:19.04 | peet | AlexPerry: yea but now i can't find the 2.6.8 vanilla image |
| 07:19.08 | peet | AlexPerry: -\ |
| 07:19.08 | AngelsDemon | gekkito im me: srg924 |
| 07:19.19 | AlexPerry | peet: When you run that script make_install.sh and it complains, it tells you to go into the subdirectory build_mod and run bash make.sh to make the image specific to your needs. |
| 07:19.40 | ferris | is there an landscape design programs for linux.... like autocad for landscaping? |
| 07:19.49 | AngelsDemon | gekkito (that's using aim) |
| 07:19.52 | AlexPerry | peet: That's when you find out whether you have all the sources and headers done correctly. It makes sarcastic comments if you don't. |
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| 07:20.03 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: ok |
| 07:20.18 | peet | AlexPerry: well ok let me see |
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| 07:20.57 | AlexPerry | I'm on PST8PDT over here, and am normally checking e-mail from 9am onwards. |
| 07:22.09 | Lee__ | ferris: blender |
| 07:22.14 | gekkito | AngelsDemon: brb |
| 07:22.21 | peet | Ok does anyone know wher the vanilla 2.6.8 kernelimage wnet? |
| 07:22.23 | AngelsDemon | gekkito: OK |
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| 07:23.00 | AlexPerry | All: Is there anywhere I can post a work opportunity that is vaguely Debian related ? The web page for "consultants" lets me contact them individually but doesn't seem to have a mailing list associated with it. I could webtrawl all the 100 email addresses off the page and mailshot, but it seems to be the wrong way to go about it. |
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| 07:23.35 | Lee__ | or you can just give me the job if it's in nyc :) |
| 07:23.35 | AlexPerry | peet: Sorry, can't help you there. I almost never end up running the standard kernels because I need to have too many workaround for buggy hardware. |
| 07:23.48 | jetscreamer | ferris, there are autocad-like programs |
| 07:23.57 | AlexPerry | Lee: I'm in San Diego, but you're welcome to telecommute 8-) |
| 07:24.19 | peet | AlexPerry: =} |
| 07:24.25 | Lee__ | do you specifically want a Debian developer? |
| 07:24.51 | lnxduk | I tried to install debian and failed |
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| 07:25.01 | jetscreamer | did you try with d-i ? |
| 07:25.04 | lnxduk | why are there no official minimal iso's? |
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| 07:25.08 | jetscreamer | there are |
| 07:25.15 | lnxduk | I didn't find any |
| 07:25.16 | jetscreamer | well kinda official beta |
| 07:25.16 | AlexPerry | Lee: Mostly we're looking for people who're comfortable with Debian when working on various other things that we need doing. Right now, for example, the primary skillset need is for python, libpcap and SQL databases. |
| 07:25.21 | chocobobby | Alexperry I installed minicom but I still don't get the modem to get a dial tone...any chance that there's an interrupt conflict or something like that? |
| 07:25.22 | lnxduk | the one I got was 2.2 kernel |
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| 07:25.25 | jetscreamer | !tell lnxduk about d-i |
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| 07:25.41 | jetscreamer | much better for a desktop |
| 07:25.48 | Lee__ | AlexPerry: have you tried craigslist? |
| 07:25.56 | AlexPerry | Lee: Nope; formal developer status doesn't benefit the project. |
| 07:26.02 | cafuego | simonrvn: It's the usual, deep blue sea, white beach, rainforest... |
| 07:26.13 | AlexPerry | Lee: What's that ? |
| 07:26.27 | Lee__ | woah. http://www.craigslist.org |
| 07:26.30 | AlexPerry | chocobby: Sounds like an excellent time to look through dmesg and then /proc/interrupts |
| 07:26.40 | Lee__ | tons of talent and tons of un-talent. |
| 07:27.00 | simonrvn | cafuego: pretty scenery |
| 07:27.04 | AlexPerry | Lee: That does _not_ sound like fun. Ok, in the morning ...! |
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| 07:27.20 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't post me there |
| 07:27.27 | jetscreamer | that's fugly |
| 07:27.33 | chocobobby | alexperry thanks yeah I've looked at those dmesg give two settings for the modem both ttyS0 and ttyS1 and /proc/interrupts has nothing for the modem |
| 07:27.37 | AlexPerry | lnxduk: I most recently used the DFS CDROM to do install (2.6 kernel). |
| 07:28.02 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: Do you have any serial ports on the machine ? (DB9 connectors) |
| 07:28.16 | Lee__ | if m-a warns me about unconfigured kernel source, am I required to configure it to install modules? |
| 07:28.23 | jetscreamer | aka com1 sometimes |
| 07:28.34 | chocobobby | alexperry yeah two and in the bios I've tried disabling them but it makes no different (right now their set to auto) |
| 07:28.45 | jetscreamer | linux bypasses bios |
| 07:28.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: Still a crap flight though |
| 07:29.21 | simonrvn | cafuego: it's what, 6-8 hours? (gueestimate) |
| 07:29.32 | AlexPerry | All: Stand by while I watch the Star wars IV fight scene 8-) |
| 07:29.49 | simonrvn | no we won't |
| 07:29.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: 8 hours to Kuala Lumpur, then 2 1/2 hours to Borneo |
| 07:29.58 | peet | AlexPerry: i think if i copy the config from the /boot insto the vanilla source folder i should be set |
| 07:30.08 | chocobobby | thanks jetscreamer |
| 07:30.24 | simonrvn | cafuego: and to borneo is probably some little cesna type plane, heh |
| 07:30.41 | cafuego | simonrvn: nah, 777 |
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| 07:31.00 | cafuego | no, I lie. it's a 737 |
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| 07:31.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: there's a big enough city there? |
| 07:31.29 | AlexPerry | Back again |
| 07:31.35 | cafuego | simonrvn: Borneo is 4 times the size of holland, dude ;-) |
| 07:31.41 | cafuego | (at least) |
| 07:31.42 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 07:31.48 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 07:31.53 | AlexPerry | Nothing wrong with a Cessna (providing it _exceeds_ minimum maintenance) |
| 07:32.00 | chocobobby | brb gonna try something |
| 07:32.14 | cafuego | AlexPerry: They're a bit too susceptible to turbulence for my liking. |
| 07:32.27 | cafuego | AlexPerry: I did muchly enjoy the learjet, though. |
| 07:32.28 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: The problem with having real serial ports present is that they confuse you when you're trying to find the modem. |
| 07:32.36 | simonrvn | they're like paper planes made of metal |
| 07:33.12 | AlexPerry | cafuego: If you think those are susceptible to turb, try something that's even slower with lighter wing loading. It's like sitting on a leaf when it falls off the tree. |
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| 07:33.29 | A-liyaoshi | I think the debian boot kernel should have the less function of acpi and apic |
| 07:33.30 | cafuego | AlexPerry: I *loved* the glider trip i had |
| 07:33.34 | eric | any SCSI RAID gurus here? |
| 07:33.38 | cafuego | Maybe it's just props. |
| 07:34.01 | AlexPerry | cafuego: Maybe. I have to admit that it's not as much fun if I'm not doing the driving. |
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| 07:34.27 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: Are you sure you're not stuck with a winmodem, which is why the kernel hasn't actually patched it through to you properly yet ? |
| 07:34.34 | cafuego | AlexPerry: :-) |
| 07:34.57 | AlexPerry | erik: Not me. |
| 07:35.09 | eric | heh.. |
| 07:35.10 | chocobobby | alexperry: Im sure its a hardware modem...it works with the same kernel on a different box (different motherboard) |
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| 07:35.27 | eric | I just need a recommendation on a SCSI RAID PCI card that will work with the default debian install CD |
| 07:35.33 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: Odd. |
| 07:35.43 | eric | (banging my head against the wall w/ an Adaptec 29320A-R) |
| 07:35.44 | chocobobby | I know |
| 07:36.17 | cafuego | eric: Which cd are you using? |
| 07:36.22 | AlexPerry | eric: All I can say is that most of the ones that state they are hardware RAID are really software raid where the hardware can deliver writes to two channels at once. |
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| 07:36.33 | chocobobby | alexperry thanks for trying to help...I've been through the modem howto on tlpd.org and I'm coming up short |
| 07:36.45 | eric | alex: yea, I know.. I'm totally frustrated, thinking this adaptec card was HW-based. |
| 07:36.57 | eric | oh how I wish 3Ware made SCSI raid.. |
| 07:37.06 | peet | AlexPerry: YAY!!!! i modproged fglrx and its loaded now to configure X |
| 07:37.10 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: If you're still stuck by my morning, try sending me the lspci -n and lspci lists ... |
| 07:37.12 | cafuego | eric: sata is cheaper and faster |
| 07:37.18 | chocobobby | alexperry: the only thing I can come up with is some sort of conflict with another card I have but I'm not sure how to check that |
| 07:37.30 | eric | tell that to my hosting client who insisted on SCSI.. (Grr) |
| 07:37.31 | jetscreamer | peet, add that to /etc/modules to have it load when you boot |
| 07:37.31 | cafuego | eric: ANyway, which kernel and debian version are you using? |
| 07:37.34 | directhex | peet, you're only part of the way through that battle. modprobing fglrx is easy |
| 07:37.36 | chocobobby | alexperry: oh its an isa card not a pci |
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| 07:37.59 | AlexPerry | peet: KEEP YOUR OLD XF76CONFIG FILE AROUND |
| 07:38.06 | simonrvn | 86 |
| 07:38.11 | chocobobby | grin |
| 07:38.13 | directhex | 92 |
| 07:38.15 | peet | ok |
| 07:38.17 | eric | cafuego: using the Hilux debian install CD, (2.4.26 with a bunch of mods) |
| 07:38.17 | cafuego | 104 |
| 07:38.21 | eric | woody |
| 07:38.23 | simonrvn | 69 |
| 07:38.25 | cornSCOlio | anyone know of any software to hotsync an hx2415 ipaq to deb? |
| 07:38.26 | jetscreamer | 42 |
| 07:38.26 | AlexPerry | peet: The automatic configurator does a good job, but there is always something you'll want to copy over. |
| 07:38.31 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 07:38.34 | directhex | not using ati's xf86config app is a good step |
| 07:38.38 | cafuego | eric: Does that explicitly support scsi and/or raid? |
| 07:38.46 | directhex | i.e. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:38.57 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: You might have a kernel that doesn't have ISA support in it. |
| 07:39.16 | eric | cafuego: dunno.. It doesn't seem to find the card, grr.. but 3Wares come up every time.. It's a new Penguin Computing box, (no floppy drive to install foreign modules) |
| 07:39.27 | jetscreamer | with my isa nic, i had to specify irq and io |
| 07:39.33 | chocobobby | alexperry: do you know if the default 2.6 kernel for sarge has isa support? |
| 07:39.34 | AlexPerry | directhex: I like using the app, then merging its suggested file with my original one, cos it's quicker than typing that stuff in again. |
| 07:39.39 | jetscreamer | and turn plug&play off |
| 07:39.41 | peet | AlexPerry: it says not to use the automatic configurator |
| 07:39.41 | cafuego | eric: Will the client be extremely upset if you moved them to Sarge with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:39.42 | jetscreamer | in bios |
| 07:39.51 | idnar | !ops SoS is privmsg spamming |
| 07:39.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS is privmsg spamming |
| 07:39.53 | eric | nope, not at all.. |
| 07:40.05 | jetscreamer | damn, +E kicks ass |
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| 07:40.12 | nomed^ | hi |
| 07:40.16 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: I think the 2.6 series has inferior ISA support to 2.4 |
| 07:40.33 | cafuego | eric: Then I'd go that way. fetch the rc2 netinst iso, install that with 'linux26'. |
| 07:40.36 | chocobobby | alexperry I'll check out the 2.4 series for that box |
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| 07:40.49 | eric | cafuego: okay, I"ll give that a shot.. |
| 07:40.51 | cafuego | eric: *do* keep in mind that doesn't have security updates as of yet. |
| 07:40.51 | chocobobby | alexperry: thanks again for the assistance |
| 07:40.58 | eric | off of the debian.org site? |
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| 07:41.06 | AlexPerry | chocobobby: you're welcome. |
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| 07:41.21 | directhex | !d-i eric |
| 07:41.21 | dpkg | eric, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:41.29 | eric | cafuego: hrmm.. this will be a production server.... not sure if that's a good idea then.. |
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| 07:41.39 | nomed^ | i'm trying to use apt-get -b source and the host arch is i386 |
| 07:41.45 | nomed^ | how can i change this |
| 07:41.46 | nomed^ | ? |
| 07:41.48 | yxa | is there a command to monitor /proc/mdstat on my screen instead of having to cat it everytime? |
| 07:42.08 | cafuego | eric: I run sarge 9and 2.6) on my production machines, but I do manually port security related stuff. |
| 07:42.10 | AlexPerry | yxa: while sleep 10s; do cat /proc/mdstat; done |
| 07:42.23 | cafuego | yxa: watch -n 2 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
| 07:42.28 | cafuego | AlexPerry: pff |
| 07:42.40 | eric | cafuego: I'll do that then.. hopefully sarge will be stable someday before I die.. :) |
| 07:42.44 | AlexPerry | cafuego: 8-) |
| 07:42.52 | yxa | cafuego yours is nicer :) |
| 07:42.53 | eric | thx for the tip.. I haven't tried out the new debian installer yet... |
| 07:43.02 | cafuego | eric: If you're under 12 years of age now, there's a good chance of that... |
| 07:43.07 | cafuego | yxa: Indeed ;-) |
| 07:43.30 | eric | cafuego: heh.... no kidding... |
| 07:43.34 | AlexPerry | yxa: hrmph! |
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| 07:43.49 | cafuego | yxa: Note that you can bind that command to inittab as well and magically run it on a spare tty at bootup. |
| 07:44.13 | yxa | cafuego why would i want to do that? |
| 07:44.22 | cafuego | yxa: karma? |
| 07:45.10 | AlexPerry | cafuego: you can pipe the repeating command into netcat as well. |
| 07:45.38 | cafuego | AlexPerry: Run mdstatd on a tcp port eh :-) |
| 07:46.02 | peterS | !cafuego++ |
| 07:46.04 | yxa | cafuego you familiar with md? |
| 07:46.21 | cafuego | yxa: I use it on two production boxes |
| 07:46.31 | AlexPerry | Nope; I prefer to use a udp packet to a broadcast address on an idle port. |
| 07:46.40 | cafuego | peterS: Put down the pills... |
| 07:46.45 | nomed^ | is the arch of a pentium 4 i686? |
| 07:46.50 | cafuego | nomed^: yes |
| 07:46.55 | cafuego | nomed^: No |
| 07:46.57 | cafuego | nomed^: i386 |
| 07:46.59 | yxa | cafuego cool. got a question: do i need to setup grub on the mirrored volume? coz mine cant boot after i plug out the main one. (raid 1) |
| 07:47.12 | nomed^ | and what is i686? |
| 07:47.13 | AlexPerry | yxa: I use it MD, but with IDE, on R&D servers (not production really). However, we didn't bother with raiding the root filesystem so it was trivial. |
| 07:47.15 | peterS | nomed^: in what context? it's "i386" for debian's purposes, other things for other purposes |
| 07:47.39 | cafuego | yxa: I use lilo, with the special raid-extra-boot options set in lilo.conf |
| 07:47.51 | peterS | nomed^: certainly if you see 'i686' as a choice somewhere, Pentium 4 is compatible with that |
| 07:48.17 | cafuego | nomed^: 686 is the cpu type. The arch is i386 for debian purpuses (but normally known as x86 or ia32) |
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| 07:48.29 | nomed^ | cafuego: peterS ... using apt-get -b source ..is not better to set the arch as i686 for a pentium4? |
| 07:48.38 | cafuego | nomed^: You want the i686 kernel from the debian i386 repository. |
| 07:48.46 | cafuego | nomed^: No, that's gentoo logic. |
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| 07:49.06 | nomed^ | ahh ok ... and to optimize package for my arch ? |
| 07:49.18 | cafuego | nomed^: It's not worth the time and effort. |
| 07:49.50 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: emacs loads like 3x faster on my athlon when I compile it for the k7 ... but that is the only app that I noticed an improvement in with apt-fu |
| 07:49.50 | ctmnz | somebody with ip tunnels experience ? |
| 07:49.52 | peterS | cafuego: it was originally Mandrake logic. they got their start as "red hat recompiled for i586" |
| 07:50.14 | AlexPerry | nomed: Don't bother optimizing anything for arch, unless you're willing to build at least four different versions and benchmark them. There are a depressing number of articles showing that it is unobvious what the correct optimization options are, for a given app and cpu. |
| 07:50.27 | cafuego | nomed^: Spending 20 minutes compiling something so it starts 0.02 seconds faster is just silly. |
| 07:50.45 | directhex | there's a 686 libc6 package, which can help |
| 07:50.54 | AlexPerry | nomed: If you're after startup speed, you're better off forcing everything you plan to use into the disk cache. Saves you a _lot_ more time. |
| 07:50.58 | peterS | the low-hanging fruit is 'prelink' in any case, not recompiling |
| 07:51.03 | Lee__ | probably makes a difference for multimedia, especially video. i.e. the G4's altivec instructions. |
| 07:51.10 | nomed^ | cafuego: i don't spend any energy ... i just wait :) |
| 07:51.12 | cafuego | Yeah, just get an optimised kernel and libc6. (Most apps IDLE 99% of the time anyway, waiting for user input) |
| 07:51.13 | AlexPerry | cmtnz: Do you mean in terms of the tun device, or in terms of VPN ? |
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| 07:51.18 | nomed^ | doing something else :) |
| 07:51.21 | unknown_lamer | nomed^: prelink + libc6-i686 + i686 kernel = good speed boost |
| 07:51.30 | cafuego | nomed^: Your cpu eats power whilst it compiles. That power is made by burning fuel. |
| 07:51.32 | yxa | cafuego i guess there should be an equivalent of that in grub |
| 07:51.34 | AlexPerry | Lee: Yeah, but those packages normally have architecture swappable libraries. |
| 07:51.35 | peterS | Lee__: multimedia apps that use SSE / Altivec / whatever often compile support for all of the above and detect what it can do at runtime |
| 07:51.44 | Lee__ | kewl |
| 07:51.50 | peterS | Lee__: not always, but that's a common trend |
| 07:51.51 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: x86_64 = speed boost |
| 07:52.06 | cafuego | yxa: perhaps, I don't know... not looked for one ever. |
| 07:52.12 | Coke | How come rxvt can get colors from IRSSI, but xterm cannot? xterm has colors from ls -l, but not in IRSSI's text-mode. I've only find a switch to enable/disable bold font color so far. |
| 07:52.30 | cafuego | Coke: check $TERM |
| 07:52.37 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: meh, I was going to get a dual athlonFX system but, at least a year ago, it would have required too much work on my part to get Debian to run :) Thus I have 2xAthlonMP 2800+ instead. SMP = speed boost too :) |
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| 07:52.58 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: On Linux, yes, for some apps. |
| 07:52.59 | Coke | cafuego: xterm |
| 07:53.06 | directhex | unknown_lamer, athlon fx doesn't do smp |
| 07:53.11 | cafuego | Coke: Set that to 'linux' and check again. |
| 07:53.17 | nomed^ | unknown_lamer: so i just need libc6-i686 and the arch will be i686? |
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| 07:53.44 | peterS | nomed^: no, but your libc6 will have been compiled for i686, and that makes about as much difference as anything that is worth the trouble |
| 07:53.49 | Coke | cafuego: yeah man. why does it think that "xterm" doesn't have colors? |
| 07:53.51 | unknown_lamer | nomed^: No. Just the libc. But the libc optimized for the 686 will give you an quick and easy small speed boost (since everything uses it) |
| 07:53.51 | ctmnz | i have 2 real ip addresses |
| 07:54.11 | cafuego | nomed^: No, but that will give you an optimised libc6 library, which will give you a better speed boost than recompiling EVERYTHING else on the system would. |
| 07:54.12 | ctmnz | and i wont first ip to be gateway to the second ip |
| 07:54.12 | Coke | cafuego: and where is the appropiate place to set the TERM env var? |
| 07:54.13 | AlexPerry | ctmnz: Ok ... ? |
| 07:54.25 | cafuego | Coke: .$SHELLrc normally |
| 07:54.26 | ctmnz | with ip tunneling |
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| 07:54.42 | Coke | cafuego: the manual says "termcap file" |
| 07:54.59 | cafuego | Coke: it lies. 'export TERM=linux; irssi' |
| 07:55.04 | ctmnz | between ip1 and ip2 i internet |
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| 07:55.10 | AlexPerry | ctmnz: If the two IPs are on the same network card, you want to use eth0:1 |
| 07:55.11 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: It gives a good boost for the things I run. ardour is nicely multithreaded and mencoder/ffmpeg do multi-threaded encoding so I get ~1.8x spped boost when ripping DVDs. |
| 07:55.19 | ctmnz | no no Alex_ |
| 07:55.22 | ctmnz | AlexPerry |
| 07:55.34 | ctmnz | between ip1 and ip2 is internet |
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| 07:55.45 | Coke | cafuego: you are now in full color. :) |
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| 07:55.48 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: Those bastards don't come in x86_64 flavour as of yet :-( |
| 07:56.11 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: Ardour isn't 64-bit clean? Weird. |
| 07:56.13 | AlexPerry | ctmnz: Oh. You want to create a virtual network interface on one computer that apparently delivers traffic directly to the other one. |
| 07:56.16 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: Just wait for 1.1 :) |
| 07:56.25 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: Dunno about ardour, mencoder wasn't last I checked. |
| 07:56.46 | Lee__ | unknown_lamer: what do you mean by "64-bit clean"? |
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| 07:56.54 | cafuego | Probably full of ugly hand-tweaked x86 asm |
| 07:56.58 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: ah. At least you can run it as a 32-bit binary and still get better performance than on a vanilla athlon. |
| 07:57.02 | ctmnz | yes.. |
| 07:57.06 | cafuego | with inferior 32bit integers |
| 07:57.10 | AlexPerry | lee: In the same way as there is a good reason why OpenOffice is 32 bit only. The code isn't 64 bit clean and fails to run when compiled. |
| 07:57.18 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: In the 32bit chroot, yes. |
| 07:57.20 | Lee__ | awesome |
| 07:57.43 | Lee__ | guess that answers if I'll be getting an opteron soon. |
| 07:57.49 | unknown_lamer | Lee__: The ability of the program to handle longs being replaced by 64-bit ones (since x86_64 is I32L64) and pointers being 64-bit and stuff |
| 07:57.53 | AlexPerry | ctmnz: You want an encrypted tunnel, or just forward the traffic ? If the former, I suggest you look into the PPP/SSH documentation. |
| 07:58.02 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: oh, so Debian doesn't have /lib32 and /lib64 for x86_64 :-\ |
| 07:58.13 | cafuego | Lee__: The debian packages run fine in their auto-chroot, it's fully transpareny. |
| 07:58.15 | ctmnz | i dont want to encrypt :) |
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| 07:58.52 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: no, just /lib (with /lib64 link that points at it) and /emul/lib |
| 07:58.52 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: shouldn't x86 asm still work fine in LONG mode ? |
| 07:58.52 | AlexPerry | Lee: The nice thing is that Debian uses separate environments for 32 bit and 64 bit, so you can control exactly how the application runs. |
| 07:58.52 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: I mean, ints are still 32-bit ... |
| 07:58.54 | ctmnz | i just wont to make first real ip addres to be gateway to the second real ip address |
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| 07:59.05 | mousex | hi! how do i configure lircd? |
| 07:59.08 | Lee__ | the only reason I'd get an Opteron is for DSP at this point. |
| 07:59.11 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: No idea, just mocking 32bit users in general ;-) |
| 07:59.26 | Lee__ | so if the big audio app I need for the studio I'm building doesn't even care it's kind of moot :) |
| 07:59.29 | AlexPerry | ctmnz: The vtun package can do that for you, but I've not used it personally. |
| 07:59.30 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: I'm going to have to go and buy a 4-way Alpha system now just to regain my manhood. |
| 07:59.31 | cafuego | Lee__: they transcode video at a very nice speed indeed. |
| 07:59.37 | Lee__ | I'll bet |
| 07:59.50 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: How about a cheaper, faster Dual G5 box? |
| 08:00.15 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: meh, I have no money now. I decided to take the semester off (from work, 19 credits at the university) |
| 08:00.20 | mousex | cafuego, G5 cheaper than Alpha? |
| 08:00.23 | Lee__ | yeah, Apple's are more fashionable. you'll get mad play with a dual G5. |
| 08:00.28 | cafuego | mousex: Surely |
| 08:00.43 | mousex | :? |
| 08:00.45 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: when I can get a 4-way dual-core opteron rig (8 cores) with 16GiB of RAM for less than $2000 I'll upgrade :) |
| 08:00.47 | cafuego | Lee__: I have a handy remote shell into my mother in law's G5 imac ;-) |
| 08:01.28 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: an alpha is more useful because I could run opengenera on it ;) |
| 08:01.32 | ctmnz | AlexPerry: tanks, i will see |
| 08:01.34 | mousex | this lirc remote thingy really sucks! it's zero user-friendly |
| 08:01.42 | AlexPerry | cafuego: How about a chroot that contains debian ? |
| 08:01.42 | EvanCarroll | Anyone here know how to fix a error 513 relaying delayed, i'm using courier-mta |
| 08:01.50 | directhex | unknown_lamer, there si no way to put "alpha" and "useful" in the same sentance |
| 08:01.58 | cafuego | AlexPerry: Tha's pretty much what fink is. |
| 08:02.01 | EvanCarroll | mousex: try iirc |
| 08:02.08 | AlexPerry | Evan: Sorry, I use Exim, but that sounds like you've got a remote host that is refusing to accept the message handoff. |
| 08:02.09 | cafuego | AlexPerry: Just recompiled for the Darwin BSD arch |
| 08:02.13 | mousex | !iirc |
| 08:02.14 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 08:02.18 | nomed^ | what is the Hesiod domain for searches ? |
| 08:02.19 | unknown_lamer | directhex: it's useful for running Symbolics OpenGenera if you don't want to track down a NuBus Mac |
| 08:02.20 | AlexPerry | cafuego: I didn't think it actually went into a chroot ? |
| 08:02.27 | nomed^ | what should i write ? |
| 08:02.35 | unknown_lamer | directhex: with system 7 |
| 08:02.36 | cafuego | AlexPerry: Not literally, no. |
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| 08:02.48 | mousex | EvanCarroll: lirc is for infrared remote controls, not an IRC client :) |
| 08:02.58 | cafuego | AlexPerry: it's just an install into a subdir, which is sourced via ,shellrc (that sets PATH etc) |
| 08:03.20 | cafuego | AlexPerry: As long as all apps know they live in a subdir, it doesn't much matter. |
| 08:03.42 | AlexPerry | cafuego: That's what I thought it did. A chap at work seems happy ... 8-) |
| 08:03.46 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: I have a few of those sitting around |
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| 08:04.20 | cafuego | (nubus macs ANd various System 7.x install floppies/cds) |
| 08:04.23 | EvanCarroll | AlexPerry: I think i know whats causing the problem, i just don't know how to impliment a fix through the conf file in couier - I plan on writing a tutorial for it later =/ its my class A name registered via godaddy redirects to no-ip which redirects to this computer, so when a message is sent to the fqdn evancarroll.com it resolves to evancarroll.no-ip.com and my implimentaiton of courier wont take a relay from them |
| 08:04.56 | mousex | is there any good software to monitor Amazon or eBay listings in Debian? |
| 08:05.12 | mousex | or do I have to write my own with their APIs? |
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| 08:05.22 | unknown_lamer | mousex: bidwatcher for ebay |
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| 08:05.36 | AlexPerry | Evan: Sounds reasonable to me. I know that'd work in Exim. I suspect you've got a problem with someone trying to do a reverse lookup on the IP addresses and not liking the host name that comes back. |
| 08:05.40 | mousex | unknown_lamer, bidwatcher has too many bugs right now |
| 08:05.40 | aum | hi - is there any way to foreground a background process that was /not/ started with the current bash? |
| 08:05.51 | unknown_lamer | mousex: then you have to write your own. or fix bidwatcher. |
| 08:06.01 | mousex | unknown_lamer, ha, ha :) thanks |
| 08:06.14 | unknown_lamer | mousex: the latter is probably more productive :) |
| 08:06.31 | EvanCarroll | AlexPerry: nothing works in exim and it with a passion =/ |
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| 08:06.52 | mousex | unknown_lamer: for some reason, bidwatcher doesn't sign in into eBay's servers. |
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| 08:07.16 | AlexPerry | Evan: is the error being generated by your machine or by the remote machine? I assume you're talking about _incoming_ e-mail ?! |
| 08:07.42 | AlexPerry | Evan: I have to admit I tried Exim4 and rapidly went back to Exim3. |
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| 08:08.47 | AlexPerry | Evan: It occurs to me to suggest that you check that the MX record is properly delegated and visible to the remote machine. If they are getting something silly for the MX record, that'd also explain it. |
| 08:09.15 | karamelos | is there a console based calculator in Debian? |
| 08:09.44 | AlexPerry | karamelos: man dc |
| 08:11.03 | eric | cafuego: just downloaded, burned and booted off of the new deb-installer |
| 08:11.08 | eric | it found the adaptec card..woohoo! |
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| 08:12.25 | EvanCarroll | AlexPerry: the error is being generated by my machine, ie a remote machines sends me an email and it hits my machien and bounces |
| 08:12.25 | EvanCarroll | Alex_: MX records are good =/ |
| 08:12.55 | EvanCarroll | host -t mx evancarroll.com > evancarroll.no-ip.com; host -t mx evancarroll.no-ip.com > evancarroll.no-ip.com; |
| 08:14.37 | EvanCarroll | that works, i have had this working before i just had problems with my imap conf and exim so i switched over after comming to the conclusion that exim isn't worth the trouble i refuse to use a program that has less than 5minutes going into conf design |
| 08:14.37 | EvanCarroll | exim4.template.conf.conf what in the hell where they thinking |
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| 08:17.25 | nomed^ | the difference between autofs and autofs4? |
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| 08:18.07 | nagual | EvanCarroll: yea, they must be totally retarded. :) |
| 08:18.08 | nagual | haha |
| 08:18.17 | KilrInstk | anyone know any linux junkies for hire? |
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| 08:18.25 | nagual | KilrInstk: me. |
| 08:18.36 | EvanCarroll | i think so |
| 08:18.44 | EvanCarroll | KilrInstk: me |
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| 08:19.46 | hjc | HI, i have a problem with mounting some HD, the fstab is "/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,gid=102 1 0"and the use that i want to mount with is in group 102,when i try to "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" its write "mount: only root can do that |
| 08:19.54 | hjc | " why is that? HELP me thanks! |
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| 08:20.43 | AlexPerry | hjc: If it is listed in FSTAB, you only need to provide the first (or just the second if you prefer) parameter. |
| 08:21.09 | hjc | what do you mean?] |
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| 08:21.55 | AlexPerry | hjc: The information that is in /etc/fstab is a series of mounts that are preapproved by root. |
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| 08:22.03 | shingouz | hjc: man mount. also /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 08:22.06 | darkhack | anybody knows where the right IRC channel for asking noob's exim4 question ? |
| 08:22.22 | hjc | AlexPerry:ok so what do i need to do? |
| 08:22.26 | AlexPerry | hjc: If the options do not have "noauto", the system knows to add them at boot with root's permission. |
| 08:22.40 | EvanCarroll | having an imap server and ldap running in your house serving one computer definintly gives you some degree of bragging rights though |
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| 08:22.52 | AlexPerry | hjc: As shingouz says, read the man page. |
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| 08:23.18 | hjc | AlexPerry: iread them and wrote the fstab and its still not working |
| 08:23.31 | AlexPerry | hjc: If you're getting the "only root can do that" error, then you're trying to do it as a normal user. The fstab only permits that if you have either the option "user" or "users" depending on what you want to achieve. |
| 08:23.36 | shingouz | hjc, AlexPerry ntfs has a few quirks too. /msg dpkg ntfs |
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| 08:24.06 | AlexPerry | hjc: Yeah. Go read the specialist bit on ntfs. |
| 08:24.23 | TinoW | .oO(__what_not_even_god_should_do) |
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| 08:24.28 | hjc | its not only on ntfs, its also if i try to mount a data cd |
| 08:24.46 | AlexPerry | Evan: Sorry, I'm back (had to switch to a different station). |
| 08:25.04 | AlexPerry | hjc: Are you root when you're trying to do that ? |
| 08:25.09 | shingouz | hjc: you need ro,user in fstab |
| 08:25.21 | hjc | AlexPerry: no, as root i can mount it |
| 08:25.35 | hjc | so i made a group 102 and added it |
| 08:25.37 | AlexPerry | Then go and read the bit in the man page about the "user" and "users" options. |
| 08:25.44 | hjc | so i could mount it not as root too |
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| 08:25.52 | hjc | and put my user in 102 group |
| 08:26.15 | AlexPerry | hjc: No the gid parameter is not for that purpose; it determines what rights are available to the contents of the mount point _after_ the mount has succeeded. |
| 08:26.32 | hjc | oh! |
| 08:26.34 | hjc | i got it |
| 08:26.39 | xcyborg | what does the "dfsg" stand for in the name of some packages ? |
| 08:26.52 | cat | !dfsg |
| 08:26.52 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 08:27.00 | cat | !tree |
| 08:27.00 | dpkg | it has been said that tree is a plant made from wood |
| 08:27.10 | hjc | so i need to read about what if i want to tell it about premossion *before* ? |
| 08:27.15 | AlexPerry | xcyborg: it means that this is modified from the distribued version in order to be compliant with the DFSG. See the changelog. |
| 08:27.28 | xcyborg | AlexPerry: I see, thanx |
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| 08:27.35 | AlexPerry | hjc: Yes. |
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| 08:27.56 | shingouz | hjc: most of the time you do not need the gid at all. man fstab again |
| 08:28.00 | emergo | Im trying to configure my sound card to use alsa and installed alsa-base and some other stuff and alsa base is added under modutils. snd_ens1371 is also loaded as a module but I still dont get sound in xmms. |
| 08:28.19 | hjc | AlexPerry: so i need to read about what if i want to tell it about premossion *before* ? |
| 08:28.38 | shingouz | hjc: man fstab |
| 08:28.47 | thesaboteur | !dns |
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| 08:29.59 | AlexPerry | hjc: Yes, as shingouz says, the man fstab |
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| 08:30.09 | hjc | only fstab? |
| 08:30.49 | karamelos | how can I make 2/4 in bc to output 0.5? |
| 08:30.54 | thesaboteur | koolness, apt still has in its database what I told it like 3 or 4 years ago :) |
| 08:30.57 | AlexPerry | hjc: Yeah |
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| 08:31.37 | shingouz | hjc: fstab and mount. you might get something out of this for the cd: "<device> <mountpoint> iso9660 ro,user 0 0" |
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| 08:32.02 | hjc | ok thnks bye |
| 08:32.25 | qwertz | Hi! When I do "useradd xxx" and "passwd xxx" login to vsftp running on the same machine fails with "530 Login incorrect." although login of local users is enabled (using my account works without problems) - any ideas? |
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| 08:33.18 | thesaboteur | can you login via ssh or telnet with a user you created via useradd? |
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| 08:33.36 | AlexPerry | qwertz: Did you remember to make the home directory point somewhere legal? |
| 08:33.47 | nomed^ | is there someone using autofs? |
| 08:34.02 | AlexPerry | nomed: [unhelpful answer] yes. |
| 08:34.08 | nomed^ | it doesn't work anymore for me |
| 08:34.25 | EvanCarr3ll | !doesn't work |
| 08:34.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:34.31 | AlexPerry | nomed: It doesn't work for me either. Whenever my blood pressure gets up to about 200, I disable it. 8-) |
| 08:34.39 | carrett | hey, anyone know which package you need to make gconfig? |
| 08:34.46 | carrett | package(s) |
| 08:34.47 | shingouz | AlexPerry: 200psi? |
| 08:34.59 | AlexPerry | That's what it feels like. 8-) |
| 08:34.59 | EvanCarr3ll | carrett: gtk dev packages |
| 08:35.03 | shingouz | :) |
| 08:35.08 | nomed^ | AlexPerry: when autofs demon start it should create the mount points i have in my file auto.mnt |
| 08:35.21 | AlexPerry | nomed: Yeah. |
| 08:35.29 | nomed^ | !nopaste |
| 08:35.29 | dpkg | nopaste is, like, http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/ |
| 08:35.47 | carrett | EvanCarr1ll: would you spell out exactly which pacakges those are? or one that'll get the others through deps or something? thanks. |
| 08:35.48 | EvanCarr3ll | carrett: i believe libgtk2.0 |
| 08:35.52 | nomed^ | AlexPerry: i'll show you my configs |
| 08:35.55 | carrett | EvanCarr1ll: thanks |
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| 08:36.19 | qwertz | AlexPerry, yes /home/ftp/xxx exists and is in /etc/passwd |
| 08:36.37 | EvanCarr3ll | carrett: err libgtk2.0-dev rather |
| 08:36.47 | thesaboteur | qwertz: may seem odd, but you certain vsftp is using the same authentication you think it is? |
| 08:36.54 | AlexPerry | qwertz: Did you try the [scrolled off] suggestion of logging in with ssh? |
| 08:36.54 | carrett | EvanCarr1ll: right |
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| 08:37.56 | nomed^ | what is the debian nopaste? |
| 08:38.10 | shingouz | nomed^: you can paste in #flood |
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| 08:38.43 | siimo | anyone know if wget can do multi-threaded downloads like some windows clients can? |
| 08:39.08 | nomed^ | AlexPerry: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/1978. could you take a look? |
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| 08:39.47 | jm_ | siimo: lftp can |
| 08:41.07 | qwertz | AlexPerry, ssh xxx@localhost works with the given password and is going to /home/ftp/xxx |
| 08:41.58 | EvanCarr3ll | siimo: i don't believe so but wget can be used for multithreaded mirroring |
| 08:42.05 | EvanCarr3ll | siimo: see httrack |
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| 08:42.26 | EvanCarr3ll | siimo: Also see webhttrack for a v. sexy interface |
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| 08:44.08 | qwertz | thesaboteur, there is no specific config entry in vsftpd.conf so I think it uses standard authentication |
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| 08:45.10 | thesaboteur | qwertz: I haven't messed with vsftpd in a long time, I just remember that some ftpd's use a .cdb IIRC? |
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| 08:46.48 | emergo | I just ran alsaconf and it says everything is fine, and xmms found the es1371 name in the oss driver section now, but it ask me to check the sound card I have plenty of modules loaded with snd in from. Isnt that a sign for alsa ? |
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| 08:47.45 | nullvoid | I had set postfix-tls and everything is working fine, my remote users able to send through secure-smtp, but the problem is that only our local users email able to be delivered, for other users (different domain) email was rejected with error code 554 relay access denied. How do I solve this |
| 08:47.49 | siimo | thanks. |
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| 08:48.44 | Chameleon22 | what deb provides traceroute? and also dig? |
| 08:48.55 | shingouz | emergo: if you used to run oss before you installed alsa you may still have the es1371 module installed too along with snd-es1371 (or whatever the names are). the ones with snd are alsa while the plain version is oss. they do not work together |
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| 08:49.15 | nullvoid | Chameleon22: ask google |
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| 08:49.25 | peterS | Chameleon22: dig is in dnsutils, traceroute is its own package |
| 08:49.42 | nullvoid | peterS: do you use postfix-tls? |
| 08:49.43 | Zero_Dogg | shingouz: apt-cache search whatyouwanttofind :) |
| 08:50.00 | peterS | nullvoid: yes, but I only use the tls portion for outgoing mail to my smarthost, not for incoming |
| 08:50.04 | Chameleon22 | thanx |
| 08:50.06 | shingouz | Zero_Dogg: huh? |
| 08:50.10 | peterS | nullvoid: errr, not the tls part, but the sasl part |
| 08:50.20 | peterS | (which also requires postfix-tls) |
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| 08:50.40 | emergo | shingouz: its a new isntall so then its autocnfigured and the only one without snd in from is soundcore |
| 08:50.46 | Zero_Dogg | shingouz: good away to find packages, apt-cache search followed by waht you are loking for |
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| 08:50.51 | Zero_Dogg | s/away/way |
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| 08:51.05 | shingouz | Zero_Dogg: i know about apt-cache, it is not like i was even asking |
| 08:51.49 | Zero_Dogg | sorry, nevermind me, I just confused myself, it was aimed at Chameleon22 |
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| 08:51.57 | nullvoid | peterS: I also use it for outgoing, it only work for my local users and not for external users |
| 08:52.03 | emergo | shingouz: and snd 57188 8 snd_ens1371,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 08:52.14 | Chameleon22 | Zero_Dogg: i tried that, didnt get results hence asked here |
| 08:52.19 | peterS | nullvoid: you want to be an open relay? |
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| 08:52.37 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:52.39 | Zero_Dogg | Chameleon22: really? apt-cache search traceroute gave 19 packages here :o |
| 08:52.45 | nullvoid | no |
| 08:52.52 | shingouz | emergo: check if your mixer has been turned to actually let sound through, after that i am a bit stumped :( |
| 08:52.55 | nullvoid | I am using sasl as well |
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| 08:52.59 | nullvoid | postfix-tls |
| 08:53.09 | peterS | nullvoid: how do you intend to distinguish *your* users from other users, then? |
| 08:53.11 | thesaboteur | qwertz: Controls whether local logins are permitted or not. If enabled, normal user accounts in /etc/passwd may be used to log in. default=no |
| 08:53.32 | emergo | shingouz: xmms complains about it cant reach the sound device |
| 08:53.39 | nullvoid | peterS: all outgoing mail require smtp auth |
| 08:53.44 | thesaboteur | qwertz: check local_enable= |
| 08:54.03 | peterS | nullvoid: right, you said that. however, your users will be sending mail *to* your postfix install. that's incoming. |
| 08:54.06 | shingouz | emergo: did you configure xmms to actually use alsa? if you did, try setting it to oss or vice versa |
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| 08:54.25 | peterS | nullvoid: what you probably want is to use sasl for incoming as well as outgoing mail. and that's something I haven't done. |
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| 08:54.41 | shingouz | emergo: check the permissions on the sound devices too while youre at it |
| 08:55.25 | nullvoid | peterS: my users able to use smtp-auth to send out email, but for email outside my domain, it will be rejected with relay access denied |
| 08:55.41 | karamelos | using a bash script, I want to launch gcalctool and firefox, but this one just loads when I close the calculator. How can I launch both with the script? |
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| 08:55.58 | emergo | shingouz: I did and it still complains but in the oss section it says es1371 and that worries me :-) |
| 08:56.03 | nullvoid | peterS: eg. user1@domain.com able to send user2@domain.com but not to user1@google.com |
| 08:56.13 | emergo | shingouz: what should they be ? |
| 08:56.17 | EvanCarr3ll | karamelos: have the script fork "| mozilla-firefox" |
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| 08:56.27 | Guerin | karamelos: #bash, read the faq |
| 08:56.46 | peterS | nullvoid: right, that's incoming mail |
| 08:56.52 | streuner | nullvoid: what does the people in #postfix say? |
| 08:56.57 | peterS | nullvoid: your users are sending mail *to* your postfix install. that's incoming. |
| 08:56.57 | emergo | shingouz: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 Mar 2 09:34 mixer |
| 08:56.58 | shingouz | emergo: you need to have rw access for the sound devices either by making them a+rw or adding yourself to the audio group |
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| 08:57.34 | shingouz | emergo: and when it comes to why xmms still sees pure oss there.. no idea |
| 08:57.57 | emergo | shingouz: im in audio |
| 08:58.20 | shingouz | emergo: you did logout/login after you added yourself to the group |
| 08:58.34 | emergo | shingouz: no |
| 08:58.39 | shingouz | do so |
| 08:58.42 | emergo | dont think so |
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| 08:59.14 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know if there are any *dvd audio* player packages in debian? |
| 08:59.37 | redcliffe | like ones that play the actual DVD-A 5.1 tracks, rather than the lower quality compressed stream? |
| 08:59.45 | jm_ | redcliffe: gstreamermaybe |
| 08:59.48 | jm_ | gstreamer even |
| 09:01.01 | tarzeau | good morning |
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| 09:01.59 | peterS | yeah, check the usual suspects like gstreamer and the libxine ones |
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| 09:02.30 | redcliffe | haven't spotted any mention of it anywhere yet |
| 09:02.45 | redcliffe | but will try those two, thanks jm_, peterS, all |
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| 09:04.43 | qwertz | thesaboteur, local_enable=YES is set in /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 09:05.27 | thesaboteur | qwertz how are you running vsftpd , standalone or via (x)inetd? |
| 09:05.51 | nullvoid | peterS: Mar 2 17:01:10 mail postfix/smtpd[30163]: fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit |
| 09:05.59 | qwertz | thesaboteur, standalone |
| 09:06.03 | nullvoid | peterS: what does this mean |
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| 09:06.35 | peterS | nullvoid: I told you I did not use sasl for incoming mail |
| 09:07.08 | thesaboteur | qwertz I would restart vsftpd and try to login again, if that doesn't work post the line for whatever user is trying to login from /etc/passwd |
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| 09:07.28 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
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| 09:07.56 | ik-ppc | any knows how can i install xfce? =/ |
| 09:08.07 | nullvoid | peterS: sorry :) |
| 09:08.08 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: sid? sarge? woody? |
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| 09:08.35 | ik-ppc | is debian installer ppc |
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| 09:09.56 | ik-ppc | its posible tarzeau? |
| 09:10.11 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: i think so, do you know how to use apt-cache search xfce ? |
| 09:10.35 | ik-ppc | nop =/ |
| 09:10.37 | thesaboteur | qwertz are you using vsftpd debian package or did you /configure your own? |
| 09:10.41 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: type it in the shell |
| 09:11.16 | ik-ppc | xfce package not found |
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| 09:11.26 | jabba | hallo |
| 09:11.44 | jabba | ich wollte grade debian auf ein laptop installieren... |
| 09:11.57 | jabba | habe mir dazu eine net-install-cd runtergeladen |
| 09:11.59 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: what did you type? not what i told you! |
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| 09:12.05 | tarzeau | !deutsch |
| 09:12.05 | dpkg | [deutsch] #debian.de |
| 09:12.12 | ik-ppc | ok |
| 09:12.13 | jabba | oh .. |
| 09:12.14 | jabba | sorry |
| 09:12.18 | jabba | worng chan |
| 09:12.19 | jabba | :D |
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| 09:13.09 | ik-ppc | i think there is |
| 09:13.27 | ik-ppc | it shows xfce things |
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| 09:13.46 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: good |
| 09:13.49 | ansong | does anyone know if captive has been packaged for debian? |
| 09:13.56 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: do you know how to use apt-get install xfce things ? |
| 09:14.05 | Guerin | ansong: you can, if you search |
| 09:14.14 | tarzeau | ansong: packages.debian.org |
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| 09:14.59 | ik-ppc | nop , i just type, apt-get install xfce |
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| 09:15.11 | ik-ppc | but it says its not there |
| 09:15.14 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: you have to type one from the results of apt-cache search xfce |
| 09:15.23 | tarzeau | ik-ppc: it isn't there, it's called slightly different |
| 09:15.26 | fatal_ | ik-ppc: try xfce4 |
| 09:15.38 | ik-ppc | ok =) |
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| 09:16.38 | ansong | tarzeau, Guerin, apparently it isn't officially packaged |
| 09:17.01 | ansong | thanks though |
| 09:17.04 | tarzeau | ansong: did you search the wnpp page if it was itpd or rfpd? |
| 09:17.16 | tarzeau | anyway, what is captive? url? |
| 09:17.28 | Guerin | !captive |
| 09:17.28 | dpkg | it has been said that captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 09:17.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:17.40 | Guerin | free if you squint |
| 09:17.49 | jbAU | !squint |
| 09:17.54 | Guerin | of course, it ain't |
| 09:18.00 | ansong | Guerin, i checked dpkg already, i guess i'll use the rpm |
| 09:18.05 | jbAU | !dpkg |
| 09:18.05 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 09:18.13 | Guerin | well, it is, but not without a fairly crucial non-free component |
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| 09:19.10 | ansong | luckily ms has provided my college with an enormous amt of 'free' crap. xp-pro is included. |
| 09:19.23 | Guerin | how is that lucky? |
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| 09:19.36 | d03boy | i would definetly do marsha brady |
| 09:19.45 | G400 | A really boring one for you ... why is there a locale called en_GB.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 (sic) as well as just en_GB.ISO-8859-15 if I look at dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 09:20.16 | Sikik | hi |
| 09:20.18 | EvanCarroll | Only bother answer if your sure of your answer, when i get an error that reads as such 'SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<melazyboy@evancarroll.com>:\n host evancarroll.no-ip.com [67.77.195.138]: Relaying denied.' the relaying denied comes from evancarroll.no-ip.com i take it right? |
| 09:20.25 | qwertz | thesaboteur, using debian package, just experienced that when I set the login shell to /bin/bash it works but the user should only have ftp account, setting it to /bin/false provokes the failure |
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| 09:21.13 | Guerin | qwertz: add /bin/false to /etc/shells or something |
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| 09:21.25 | ansong | Guerin, because some people need full compatibility with visio & other ms office stuff (which ms also gave the school, part of their MSDNAA thing). i can't tell my customers what they can & can't send me. and i better be able to read it. |
| 09:21.26 | thesaboteur | qwertz yeah that's why I wanted to check that, I've ran into that before when setting up ftpd's :) |
| 09:21.43 | Guerin | ansong: heh |
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| 09:22.02 | Guerin | ansong: I fear I am going to feel that pain in the next couple weeks |
| 09:22.09 | ik-ppc | i think is install xfce now, but how can i start it? =/ |
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| 09:22.14 | ansong | Guerin, no! |
| 09:22.45 | thesaboteur | qwertz IIRC you can create a fake one like /bin/foo and add to /etc/shells maybe? |
| 09:22.54 | ansong | need to install win or deal with customers (both can be painful) |
| 09:22.58 | Guerin | ansong: I live in an even bigger software monoculture than the usa |
| 09:23.13 | Guerin | nah, it'll be other workmates and things |
| 09:23.15 | ansong | Guerin, uh, the soviet union? |
| 09:23.34 | ik-ppc | any one knows how can i start xfce? |
| 09:23.39 | Guerin | ansong: closer than you might think |
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| 09:23.46 | Guerin | ik-ppc: startxfce4 |
| 09:23.52 | ik-ppc | okis =) |
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| 09:24.00 | Guerin | !helpfile |
| 09:24.01 | dpkg | For help with foo, look in /usr/share/doc/foo There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 09:24.17 | thesaboteur | qwertz and/or if you plan to create alot of ftp only accounts then changing your ftpd authentication might work out better in the long run. |
| 09:24.22 | ansong | ik-ppc, what dm are you using? when i installed it, gdm put it into a nice dropdown menu... |
| 09:24.44 | ansong | Guerin, from spain? /guessing |
| 09:25.12 | ik-ppc | ansong what is that dm? |
| 09:25.16 | qwertz | thesaboteur, thanks for your help adding /bin/false to /etc/shells worked! |
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| 09:25.26 | ik-ppc | gdm? |
| 09:25.35 | Guerin | ansong: heh, in KOrea |
| 09:25.45 | ansong | ik-ppc, gdm handles my logins |
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| 09:26.04 | Flain | hi, can anyone point me at a howto on setting up exim4 with mysql and webmail on Debian? |
| 09:26.06 | ik-ppc | i just type apt-get install gdm? |
| 09:26.14 | Guerin | where, if whois didn't indicate otherwise, I'd presume you were, too |
| 09:26.29 | EvanCarroll | Flain: exim4 is impossible to set up, i spent 10hrs today |
| 09:26.39 | EvanCarroll | trying |
| 09:26.40 | ansong | Guerin, why did you think that? |
| 09:26.45 | Flain | EvanCarroll: i know.. i spent 3 hours RTFMing heh |
| 09:26.54 | Guerin | your nick is a place in South Korea |
| 09:27.00 | Guerin | ansong: ^^ |
| 09:27.00 | ansong | ik-ppc, yeah, that should work |
| 09:27.05 | EvanCarroll | Flain: i spent much much longer =/ it's a horralbe program that sucks balls |
| 09:27.09 | ansong | heh |
| 09:27.16 | EvanCarroll | Flain: exim4.template.conf.conf i mean wtf now? |
| 09:27.17 | thesaboteur | qwertz np, although im unsure as to the security implications that might have. Try adding /bin/foo to /etc/shells and see if that works instead? |
| 09:27.31 | ik-ppc | oki ansong =) thanks |
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| 09:27.36 | EvanCarroll | Flain: courier has been very easy to set up i just have one more problem with it =/ |
| 09:27.40 | Flain | EvanCarroll: did you get anything else setup as an alternative? |
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| 09:27.49 | EvanCarroll | Flain: courier-mta |
| 09:28.19 | Flain | EvanCarroll: cool, does it support mysql and allow you to manage virtual domains easily? :) |
| 09:28.21 | ansong | it's actually the username the cs dept. at school gave me many years ago. i wonder if mapquest covers korea? |
| 09:29.02 | saintiss | hi, can I "kill" a connection which is in the SYN_SENT state and blocked by the firewall? |
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| 09:29.13 | EvanCarroll | Flain: i think so, atleast the conf files for the courier swete are logically configured |
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| 09:29.29 | EvanCarroll | Flain: i don't need virtual domains, i just need users, and imap |
| 09:29.43 | EvanCarroll | Flain: and excluding my error 513 everything is working fine |
| 09:30.15 | Guerin | EvanCarroll: #courier |
| 09:30.19 | EvanCarroll | im in there. |
| 09:30.32 | EvanCarroll | so are 20 others afk |
| 09:30.40 | Guerin | ansong: it does, but not very well |
| 09:31.55 | Dewi | my routing / ip masquerading seems to be automatically prioritising interactive traffic. Is there a way I can control what types of traffic gets priority? |
| 09:32.13 | cafuego | Phated: You awake? |
| 09:32.14 | nagual | Dewi: wondershaper or some other qos |
| 09:32.18 | Phated | cafuego: Yeah? |
| 09:32.31 | Dewi | nagual: well, there already seems to be some shaping |
| 09:32.33 | cafuego | Phated: the trip to Malaysia is go, but I won't be going through SG. |
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| 09:32.39 | Phated | cafuego: Aww, bomb. |
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| 09:32.50 | cafuego | Phated: it's at a resort on Borneo |
| 09:32.55 | Phated | cafuego: Sweet. |
| 09:33.06 | cafuego | Phated: *nodnod* |
| 09:33.16 | qwertz | thesaboteur, using non-existent /bin/ftp and adding it to /etc/shells works too |
| 09:33.20 | Phated | cafuego: :) Well, have fun. :) |
| 09:33.29 | cafuego | Phated: prolly will <hehe> |
| 09:33.36 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. True. :) |
| 09:33.47 | thesaboteur | qwertz kool, you should be good to go then :) |
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| 09:34.42 | ansong | damn, it's 3:30 here. home for me. Guerin, thanks for the help |
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| 09:36.29 | nksen | is there a way to check out in which resolution my x-server is running? i somehow got the feeling that it does not give me the resolution that I set in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 09:36.50 | Guerin | nksen: xpdyinfo |
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| 09:39.09 | streuner | !find xpdyinfo |
| 09:39.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xpdyinfo' returned no results. |
| 09:39.33 | Guerin | it's in xbase-clients |
| 09:39.44 | nksen | i see. nice nice. thx a lot, I'll try |
| 09:39.48 | streuner | command not found |
| 09:40.09 | Guerin | !find xdpyinfo |
| 09:40.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xdpyinfo' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xdpyinfo) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 09:40.18 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:40.20 | Guerin | typo |
| 09:40.22 | Guerin | my bad |
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| 09:40.47 | nksen | hm. but xbase-clients is installed |
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| 09:41.06 | yxa | cafuego you there? |
| 09:41.27 | yxa | is software raid and lvm mutually exclusive? |
| 09:41.53 | netic | hi. where is the file that is beeing written when i use crontab located? |
| 09:42.30 | hexxeh | yxa, no, they're usually combined. |
| 09:43.31 | valdyn_ | netic: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username> |
| 09:43.38 | yxa | hexxeh how do i do that? a partition can only be marked software raid or lvm |
| 09:43.57 | netic | valdyn_: thank you |
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| 09:45.35 | hexxeh | yxa, erm... chapter 11 of the software raid howto |
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| 09:46.50 | valdyn_ | yxa: lvm logically will operate on your raids partition, not on a harddisks partition? |
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| 09:47.06 | myfilika | hi every body |
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| 09:47.47 | Skiver | hi people |
| 09:48.00 | Skiver | anyway to make a CD password protected ? |
| 09:48.04 | yxa | yeah i know lvm was invented to overcome partitioning on a md |
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| 09:48.28 | yxa | but when i tried using the installer to set it up it wouldnt let me |
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| 09:48.46 | emergo | shingouz: hey, that was it. after I logged in again sound is working :-) thx. (alsa xmms etc) |
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| 09:50.39 | zahod | so, does anyone know an easy way to check which packages are dependent on a certain package? |
| 09:51.04 | valdyn_ | !rdepends |
| 09:51.11 | hexxeh | zahod, apt-cache rdepends foo |
| 09:51.13 | streuner | zahod: man apt-cache |
| 09:51.25 | huliganz | apt-get moo :) |
| 09:51.33 | streuner | zahod: or just use /msg dpkg depends foo |
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| 09:53.53 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:54.04 | mike | hi |
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| 09:55.36 | gypsymauro | I'm using apt-proxy but for an error a new user downloaded a lot of packages directly from network, now I've all that packages in /var/cache/apt/archives..how can I import them in apt-procy archive? that menas split them in pool/a pool/b ecc and update the dists/testing/.. there is a tool? |
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| 09:56.28 | valdyn_ | gypsymauro: apt-proxy-import, but that script does not seem to respect /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf properly, so it may work for you or not |
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| 09:56.41 | brisling | how can i chance the rights for a libary, so that apache can read from it.. ? |
| 09:56.42 | lnxgrl | hi |
| 09:56.49 | TURKHS | hi |
| 09:56.50 | tommi^ | Who said that dont thank yet, until youve installed debian again, few days ago? |
| 09:56.52 | gypsymauro | valdyn_: great! |
| 09:56.55 | TURKHS | ýnxgrl |
| 09:57.01 | zahod | hexxeh, thanks |
| 09:57.02 | lnxgrl | can i get the woody gcc (2.95.4) into my sarge distribution ? |
| 09:57.05 | lnxgrl | as alternative ? |
| 09:57.19 | zahod | apt-cache --installed rdepends was what I was looking for |
| 09:57.22 | gypsymauro | valdyn_: I've v1 :) |
| 09:57.25 | Zeit|idle | File: LATEST-IS-2.6.11 02.03.2005 8:00:00 Uhr ... grrr compiled rc5 yesterday.. ^^ |
| 09:57.46 | valdyn_ | lnxgrl: why the hell use "woodys" gcc, when 2.95 is in sarge too? |
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| 09:58.14 | lnxgrl | gcc 3.3 is in sarge |
| 09:58.25 | lnxgrl | i'm just doing a distupgrade and need the old one for compatibility |
| 09:58.26 | valdyn_ | lnx: as is 3.4 and 2.95 |
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| 09:58.35 | valdyn_ | lnxgrl: as is 3.4 and 2.95 |
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| 09:58.44 | lnxgrl | how can i compile with 2.95 ? |
| 09:58.46 | valdyn_ | !info gcc-2.95 sarge |
| 09:58.49 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 915 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 09:59.00 | valdyn_ | lnxgrl: compile what? |
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| 09:59.16 | lnxgrl | ah so i can just install gcc-2.95 in sarge ? |
| 09:59.19 | lnxgrl | as package? |
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| 09:59.39 | streuner | !info gcc-2.95 sarge |
| 09:59.41 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 915 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 09:59.51 | lnxgrl | alright, thanks |
| 10:00.24 | streuner | just change the symlink to 2.95 - gcc is an symlink |
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| 10:00.28 | valdyn_ | !divert |
| 10:00.34 | valdyn_ | !equivs |
| 10:00.34 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 10:00.44 | valdyn_ | aww, ffs |
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| 10:01.30 | valdyn_ | lnxgrl: recommended to use dpkg-divert on each symlink you change for gcc, but what streuner said always worked for me too |
| 10:02.14 | hexxeh | and cpp, g++, i386-linux-gcc, i386-linux-g++, i386-linux-cpp |
| 10:02.16 | brisling | if i use chmod on catalog/libary on my webserver, which number is the right then i want apache to read from it? |
| 10:02.42 | lnxgrl | hm |
| 10:03.05 | lnxgrl | thanks, i'll try it ;) |
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| 10:04.42 | valdyn_ | brisling: why not just read chmod(1) ? |
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| 10:07.25 | JYL57 | hello, how to configure mc to stay after exist in the displayed directory ?! |
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| 10:09.52 | mike | ~ |
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| 10:13.19 | rixth | When ever I double click an mp3 I get: |
| 10:13.33 | sky_ | ? |
| 10:13.37 | rixth | Couldn't display ___.mp3 |
| 10:13.38 | rixth | There was an error launching the application. |
| 10:13.47 | rixth | (trying to open in xmms) |
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| 10:14.05 | rixth | But I know Xmms is ok, as I can play mp3s if I open them from there |
| 10:14.32 | brisling | valdyn_: cant find anything otherwise i wouldnt have asked.. |
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| 10:15.35 | valdyn_ | brisling: who owns that file? |
| 10:15.41 | myfilika | hi |
| 10:16.07 | brisling | it was set to have a+r for the directory |
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| 10:16.26 | sml | student and NeScHe`mUziK`diN spam |
| 10:16.35 | sml | (on join) |
| 10:16.36 | jm_ | JYL57: man mc, read about -P |
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| 10:17.03 | sml | !ops Student and NeScHe`mUziK`diN are naughty naughty lil' spam bots |
| 10:17.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Student and NeScHe`mUziK`diN are naughty naughty lil' spam bots |
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| 10:17.47 | lnxgrl | hmm and can i use the old libc ? |
| 10:17.53 | valdyn_ | !permissions |
| 10:17.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 10:18.17 | valdyn_ | lnxgrl: if you install it |
| 10:18.24 | lnxgrl | i did a distupgrade |
| 10:18.37 | brisling | some have suggested chmod 777 but as i can se it will give all users the right to write to the directory |
| 10:18.38 | lnxgrl | to be honest i don'T know how compatible the two libc versions are |
| 10:18.40 | valdyn_ | !depends gcc-2.95 |
| 10:18.43 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), cpp-2.95 (>= 1:2.95.4), cpp-2.95 (<< 1:2.95.5), binutils (>= 2.11.90.0.1-1) |
| 10:18.45 | lnxgrl | i have to compile for the older libc |
| 10:18.45 | JYL57 | thanks jm_ |
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| 10:19.49 | valdyn_ | brisling: so why dont you run chmod a-w <file> ? |
| 10:20.13 | brisling | hmm going to try that.. |
| 10:20.36 | valdyn_ | brisling: you really want to understand how this works, nothing difficult about it |
| 10:20.44 | valdyn_ | brisling: instead of blindly copying numbers |
| 10:21.18 | ricky_clarkson | brisling: man chmod; info chmod; google chmod |
| 10:21.26 | sml | ciao ricky_clarkson |
| 10:21.43 | ricky_clarkson | buongiorno sml. |
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| 10:22.16 | ricky_clarkson | sml: tu parli italiano? |
| 10:22.18 | sml | I went to the dentist yesterday and today my cheek is like a spanked penguins ass :( |
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| 10:22.29 | sml | ricky_clarkson: si' so parlare l'italiano :) |
| 10:22.37 | ricky_clarkson | el show-offio. |
| 10:22.41 | sml | =] |
| 10:22.42 | thesaboteur | sml mmmm..... spanked penguin's ass |
| 10:22.51 | sml | thesaboteur: lol |
| 10:22.52 | henric | whats the command for searching for files? |
| 10:22.57 | sml | henric: lol. find. |
| 10:23.09 | SonnyChiba | is it enaugh "cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso" to create an iso file from cd |
| 10:23.14 | sml | also "locate" is a good one :) |
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| 10:23.32 | sml | SonnyChiba: better to use dd. coz there might be errors on the cd |
| 10:23.35 | shingouz | SonnyChiba: you can also dd it |
| 10:23.41 | valdyn_ | SonnyChiba: yea |
| 10:23.42 | protoloc0 | I have setup my iptables, and added some rules to LOG some ports... Where they go?? i cant see them in /var/log ... |
| 10:23.49 | EvanCarroll | SonnyChiba: dd is by far better |
| 10:23.50 | protoloc0 | ?? where do i have to specify ? |
| 10:23.52 | haddock | Hey, is there anyway to install Xorg with apt-get ? |
| 10:23.53 | sml | proto: depends |
| 10:23.58 | protoloc0 | sml, of :S |
| 10:24.02 | henric | thx sml |
| 10:24.04 | sml | protoloc0: whats the log level set to ? |
| 10:24.08 | SonnyChiba | so, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso |
| 10:24.10 | SonnyChiba | trnx |
| 10:24.10 | protoloc0 | warning.. says.. |
| 10:24.12 | protoloc0 | sml, |
| 10:24.16 | protoloc0 | LOG tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh LOG level warning |
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| 10:24.30 | sml | protoloc0: where is the warn set to go to in the syslog conf ? |
| 10:24.34 | sml | probably /var/log/syslog |
| 10:24.43 | valdyn_ | !xorg debs |
| 10:24.43 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 10:24.45 | protoloc0 | sml, how can i make a warning ? a conection of ssh ? |
| 10:24.49 | EvanCarroll | SonnyChiba: yes, you can add bs= too if you want to specify the byte size, like 1MB or such and it will show you as it reads in and writes out |
| 10:24.50 | valdyn_ | no idea if this works from sweden ^^^ |
| 10:24.56 | protoloc0 | sml, better, when it will LOG ? |
| 10:25.24 | sml | protoloc0: the rule you have will log all ssh connections to syslog and alos to the terminal. |
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| 10:25.37 | sml | protoloc0: I use log leve debug so that it doesn't go to the terminal. |
| 10:25.59 | protoloc0 | where it goes ? |
| 10:26.16 | sml | protoloc0: LOG level debug prefix 'My rule:' , will help you see the rules in the syslog and aid grepping. |
| 10:26.30 | sml | protoloc0: i just told you. /var/log/syslog. |
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| 10:28.37 | jon273 | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <- does this use the new installer i keep readng about? |
| 10:29.05 | valdyn_ | jon273: yea |
| 10:29.24 | jon273 | great. I can't work the package selection thingie |
| 10:29.39 | valdyn_ | jon273: eh? |
| 10:29.52 | sml | protoloc0: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j LOG --log-prefix "[ssh logged connection]:" --log-level 7; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT |
| 10:29.55 | valdyn_ | jon273: that installer does certainly not make selecting packages obsolete |
| 10:29.56 | brisling | hmm it still wont work, i have postet my error_log here http://www.pastebin.com/248245 |
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| 10:30.02 | sml | protoloc0: try that. |
| 10:30.25 | jon273 | lol, i was trying to select apache form the list, next thing i know, it's starting to download the stuff. I prob got a bit trigger happy, i'll try again. |
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| 10:31.29 | protoloc0 | sml, thanks |
| 10:31.55 | protoloc0 | sml, leve 7 what means.. ? |
| 10:32.06 | sml | protoloc0: log level debug. man iptables dude. |
| 10:32.29 | ricky_clarkson | No manual entry for dude |
| 10:32.42 | sml | ricky_clarkson: LOL |
| 10:34.56 | sml | Oh well I have to setup a couple of CISCO's <sigh>, back later |
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| 10:35.22 | gilles | some people say ubuntu is the future of debian, does it make sense ? |
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| 10:36.23 | valdyn_ | gilles: no |
| 10:36.35 | valdyn_ | gilles: ubuntu cant exist w/o debian |
| 10:36.35 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: We're not likely to be objective here. |
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| 10:37.16 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: do you really think objectivity exists? |
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| 10:38.28 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: Yes. PI is 3.142..., objectively. |
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| 10:38.37 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: PI doesn't depend on your point of view. |
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| 10:39.04 | RedGlow | nagual: put it this way - surely we are much less objective than in other places :-) |
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| 10:40.05 | gilles | when debian will be as easy to install and configure as mandrake is, then will there still be a future for ubuntu ? |
| 10:40.28 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:40.41 | valdyn_ | gilles: very much doubt that debian is even trying to accomplish that |
| 10:41.05 | EvanCarroll | debian is just as easy to install as any other linux distro, imho excluding the bit abuot usb keyboards that i keep hearing |
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| 10:41.22 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: you just gave me your subjective view of what pi is. if that even has anything to do with 'objectivitiy' i dont know. |
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| 10:41.44 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: How is what I said subjective? |
| 10:41.49 | jetscreamer | debian's easy, if you already have the slightest clue how shit works |
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| 10:41.55 | EvanCarroll | I have personally never spent much time installing debian, its like hitting the enter key 7 times or something not difficult |
| 10:41.57 | gilles | EvanCarroll: i'm talking about install *and* configuration |
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| 10:42.00 | jetscreamer | and can think |
| 10:42.01 | simonrvn | nagual: usually apple, with ice cream (or "plain") |
| 10:42.16 | EvanCarroll | gilles: try gentoo. |
| 10:42.37 | jetscreamer | gentoo docs are kickass... gentoo is a pain in the ass... |
| 10:42.49 | jetscreamer | well for my limited n00b skills it was |
| 10:42.52 | jon273 | eh? |
| 10:43.00 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: by saying exactly what you did. PI is 3.142...,. one could claim thats your subjective experience of pi. |
| 10:43.01 | gilles | EvanCarroll: i guess mandrake would be better than gentoo... |
| 10:43.04 | nagual | simonrvn: exactly. |
| 10:43.08 | simonrvn | yeh. docs are ok, a little short on detail, but ok |
| 10:43.10 | jon273 | why did it install lilo last time, and grub this time? |
| 10:43.21 | jetscreamer | they cahnged the default |
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| 10:43.35 | jetscreamer | i hated that when i found out the hard way |
| 10:43.39 | jetscreamer | grub borked, too |
| 10:43.39 | asuffield | I can get a box from bare to woody deployed with exim and apache, in a shade under 11 minutes |
| 10:43.47 | jon273 | but i just used the same install cd |
| 10:43.47 | asuffield | anybody who can't do it in under half an hour isn't trying |
| 10:43.52 | EvanCarroll | i don't think the docs are that kick ass they still have bugs in them, i just burned a new iso last week, see the htmlsdocs-section about appending mirrors to your /etc/mirror.conf, the syntax is wrong and will append binary data if you follow it |
| 10:44.03 | jetscreamer | i was thinking 15-20 for me on woody, but i take my time |
| 10:44.22 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: How could you justify that claim? |
| 10:44.31 | asuffield | that's the only meaningful comparison of installation that I know of |
| 10:44.32 | simonrvn | EvanCarroll: net/sys admin/set up docs that i've seen are ok. i guess they need to vette them more |
| 10:44.38 | gilles | Is there a configuration tool for debian than would configure all my hardware : wifi card, radeon 9600, webcam... ? |
| 10:44.44 | EvanCarroll | of i remember correctly the quickest fix i could find was to grep for GENTOO_MIRRORS, but i could see how 95% of the people would never think of that |
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| 10:45.00 | miyo | gilles: apt-get install discover |
| 10:45.00 | jetscreamer | hmmm.... jon273 did you type expert26 last time and linux26 this time? |
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| 10:45.14 | jetscreamer | don't let discover manage mount points! |
| 10:45.22 | miyo | gilles: It will configure hardware that it supports. |
| 10:45.27 | simonrvn | it mangles them... |
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| 10:45.35 | jetscreamer | unless they fixed that disappearing /media/cdrom thing |
| 10:45.41 | emergo | how can I get ensure my disk are use dma ? and at its fastest :-) |
| 10:45.41 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: i dont need to justify anything at all. |
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| 10:45.44 | gilles | miyo: i have ran it, but i didn't see what it did |
| 10:45.55 | valdyn_ | emergo: use a debian kernel |
| 10:46.10 | jon273 | jetscreamer, the only difference was that i chose to manually set up the partitions.. |
| 10:46.15 | jetscreamer | emergo, man hdparm |
| 10:46.18 | miyo | emergo: hdparm |
| 10:46.28 | emergo | chii: ;-) |
| 10:46.30 | miyo | gilles: How did you ran it? |
| 10:46.36 | emergo | hdparm yes |
| 10:46.37 | fatal_ | emergo: hdparm can show the settings. They should be set properly if your ide-controllers driver was loaded.... |
| 10:46.40 | valdyn_ | emergo: and dont just set dma on in hdparm |
| 10:46.55 | miyo | gilles: /etc/init.d/discover start ? |
| 10:46.56 | emergo | valdyn_: ok why ? |
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| 10:47.02 | jetscreamer | don't jack around with hdparm, know wtf you are doing |
| 10:47.05 | jon273 | also, does the sarge netinst have kernel-2.6? |
| 10:47.17 | valdyn_ | emergo: debian kernels will enable dma by default, only if theres a good reason not to, then they wont |
| 10:47.18 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: If you can't justify a claim, the claim is invalid. |
| 10:47.25 | jetscreamer | if you tell it to install it it will, but you have to tell it |
| 10:47.29 | miyo | jon273: Yes... start with linux26 |
| 10:47.35 | emergo | valdyn_: ok im running a debian kernel |
| 10:47.40 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: i dont have a problem with you having that opinion. |
| 10:47.41 | jon273 | beutiful |
| 10:47.49 | valdyn_ | emergo: and? is dma on? |
| 10:47.51 | jon273 | *beautiful |
| 10:47.57 | jetscreamer | at the boot: prompt.. hit f3 |
| 10:48.05 | emergo | valdyn_: installing hdparm to test now |
| 10:48.10 | jetscreamer | and 2 & 4 and... |
| 10:48.16 | valdyn_ | emergo: yea, use it to look at settings is fine |
| 10:48.19 | emergo | valdyn_: or can I see in proc maybe |
| 10:48.20 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: Try learning about structured thought at some point. |
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| 10:48.52 | valdyn_ | emergo: /proc/ide/hda/settings |
| 10:49.21 | emergo | valdyn_: hdparm has a "speed test" doesnt it |
| 10:49.27 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: try making a valid point at some time if you ever end up in a discussion. like if you talk about something you could make a good example, not something that could impossibly be a part of it. |
| 10:49.33 | emergo | cat /proc/ide/hda/settings |
| 10:49.44 | valdyn_ | emergo: yea, but its not a benchmark, not really meaningful |
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| 10:50.11 | EvanCarroll | emergo: hdparm -Tt |
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| 10:50.27 | emergo | valdyn_: never tried any benchmark tools, can you recommend any |
| 10:50.28 | Space_NL | morning people .. have set up postfix and stuff, now i would like imap/pop3 to run .. someone pointed me to imap from the washington university .. but i cant seem to find the correct package name for apt .. any one got a clue for me ? |
| 10:50.30 | miyo | emergo: bonnie++ - Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite. |
| 10:50.51 | mr_ | "Lorenzo" is spamming with a porn site |
| 10:50.53 | EvanCarroll | Space_NL: try courier-imap |
| 10:50.58 | valdyn_ | emergo: ^^^ , hdparm -tT tests your kernel ) |
| 10:51.05 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: I did make a good example. |
| 10:51.13 | Space_NL | EvanCarroll: thats a different popper i guess ? |
| 10:51.24 | valdyn_ | emergo: ^^^ , hdparm -T tests your kernel and your interfaces speed, not your disk really |
| 10:51.45 | valdyn_ | s/T/Tt/ |
| 10:52.00 | EvanCarroll | Space_NL: its just an smtp server, there is courier-mta as well, it can replace exim |
| 10:52.12 | mr_ | and my problem is: debian doesn't see my CDROM (combo), kernel 2.6.10, one SATA hdd and one IDE CDROM |
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| 10:52.24 | miyo | Space_NL: Use dovecot. |
| 10:52.37 | petemc | EvanCarroll: but it doesnt have the same functionality as exim |
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| 10:53.13 | EvanCarroll | petemc: no but it works. |
| 10:53.13 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: yea, i know that you think so. well, one could claim the only 'objective' way of describing what pi is by simply calling it pi, since pretty much everything else is limited, either by mans knowledge about it, or by limited space or unclear rules about how long you want it to be after the dot. so you made my point for me actually, since you gave your subjective view of what pi is. |
| 10:53.16 | emergo | miyo: Ill look at bonnie |
| 10:53.21 | petemc | EvanCarroll: exim works too |
| 10:53.49 | EvanCarroll | petemc: no, exim, doesn't, and it does for the most part what exim can do -- ( I can't think of anything it can't do ) |
| 10:54.01 | emergo | valdyn_: /dev/hda: |
| 10:54.02 | emergo | could not allocate sharedmem buf: No space left on device |
| 10:54.08 | mr_ | noone have an idea? i'm trying to get this cd working since yesterday :( |
| 10:54.24 | emergo | valdyn_: running hdparm -Tt |
| 10:54.24 | petemc | EvanCarroll: exim does, you blatantly didnt read any docs, and then started trolling saying exim was broken when the real problem was user error |
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| 10:55.04 | emergo | valdyn_: in proc using_dma 1 0 1 rw |
| 10:55.24 | emergo | valdyn_: guess one means on |
| 10:55.47 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: PI is the ratio between the length of a circle and its diameter. How is that ratio subjective? |
| 10:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | s/length/circumference/ |
| 10:56.22 | EvanCarroll | petemc: I uploaded both of my docs to the webserver, and told the chat room of the different solutions i tried, none of those kids lended a hand, the docs in exim are ass backwards, exim4.template.conf.conf -- WTF, and after 10hrs of reading the docs on the cambridge site i gave up. And i will personally never use exim, on any of my systems again, nor will i suggest it to anyone. those configs are absolute bull shit |
| 10:56.25 | valdyn_ | emergo: yea |
| 10:56.32 | EvanCarroll | uploaded both of my configs * |
| 10:57.00 | jon273 | Will it mind if I install qmail etc. instead of exim? |
| 10:58.00 | petemc | EvanCarroll: i tried to help you, i told you what your problem was, its not anyones fault if you cant understand that |
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| 10:58.17 | valdyn_ | emergo: i dont know that error message, it *might* have to do w/ /dev/shm, try google ( http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2001/01/msg00150.html ) |
| 10:58.19 | jon273 | I know bugger all about MTA'sreally, and have just spent ages trying to figure out how to use qmail, i don't wanna learn another mta |
| 10:58.26 | daxxar | Why does apt-get dist-upgrade want to install "caudium caudium-modules caudium-php4"? |
| 10:58.36 | daxxar | On Debian Testing. |
| 10:58.50 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll does this mean you will now become a proud Qmail user? ;) |
| 10:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | jon273: I know very little about MTAs, I just installed exim4 and left it to it. |
| 10:59.01 | EvanCarroll | petemc: i knew what my problem was, it failed to do one thing. write to Maildir something that any decent mta would do easily |
| 10:59.23 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: no i think i sided with courier-mta but i will still encourage anyone to move away from exim4 |
| 10:59.27 | daxxar | Oh, let me rephrase. Why does php4 depend on caudium-php4 on Debian Testing? :p |
| 10:59.39 | daxxar | (and that recently changed, afact) |
| 10:59.40 | mooded | jon273, and its not worth learning exim if one knows qmail.. |
| 10:59.42 | daxxar | afaict* |
| 10:59.46 | valdyn_ | daxxar: it does not, apt-cache show php4 |
| 10:59.54 | MobyTurbo | !ops LoreNZo and Linda^is^a^geniu are porn spambots |
| 10:59.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: LoreNZo and Linda^is^a^geniu are porn spambots |
| 10:59.59 | helix | ugh |
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| 11:00.05 | EvanCarroll | I was able to understand the structure of the courier set of products, by reading the faq... thats stcuture and design. |
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| 11:00.08 | daxxar | valdyn_: zevs:~# apt-cache show php4 |
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| 11:00.10 | daxxar | Depends: libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-8) |
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| 11:00.29 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll close enough, I like courier. |
| 11:00.30 | MobyTurbo | helix: thanks. the problem is getting worse, isn't it |
| 11:00.31 | valdyn_ | daxxar: see, "|" is an OR |
| 11:00.45 | helix | MobyTurbo: indeed |
| 11:01.12 | daxxar | valdyn_, hm. why did this trigger when i did apt-get dist-upgrade, and not when i installed php4? o_0 |
| 11:01.34 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: I might be trying qmail here soon, while i feel i have made progress understanding courier, and i'm extremly happy with its design model, it still gives me this error 513 and bounces when i try to send mail to it from outside the domain |
| 11:01.38 | kM0ti0n_ | trying to upgrade testing - > unstable. I have changed the sources.list but I get a 404 some of the lists |
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| 11:01.48 | kM0ti0n_ | where can I find correct sources? |
| 11:02.02 | daxxar | valdyn_, and, heh, libapache-mod-php4 is installed. |
| 11:02.05 | valdyn_ | daxxar: b/c you ran apt-get update in between? i dont know.. |
| 11:02.23 | valdyn_ | daxxar: the wrong version? |
| 11:02.37 | mr_ | please help with cdrom: debian doesn't see my CDROM (combo), kernel 2.6.10, one SATA hdd and one IDE CDROM, debian unstable, in dmesg about cd is only some "ata2" lines |
| 11:02.39 | EvanCarroll | '513 Relaying Denied' |
| 11:02.49 | daxxar | 4.3.10-2, so yes. but apt-get dist-upgrade wants to update it, as well as install caudium. |
| 11:03.33 | daxxar | Why would it try to satisfy two of the OR-dependencies in one apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:04.04 | ricky_clarkson | daxxar: Try apt-get upgrade, then apt-get install all the extra packages individually. |
| 11:04.06 | jim | EvanCarroll: if you didn't get that error your mta would be operatiing as the antisocial thing called an open relay |
| 11:04.08 | valdyn_ | daxxar: try apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 11:04.13 | valdyn_ | daxxar: see if it does the same |
| 11:04.45 | daxxar | apt-get upgrade only wants to update grub, and holds back libapache-mod-php4 php4-common php4-gd. |
| 11:04.56 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll Sounds like it's not configured to accept email for your domain, or maybe it doesn't know what your domain is, I don't know i've never used courier-mta |
| 11:04.59 | daxxar | valdyn_, nope, that only takes libapache-mod-php4 |
| 11:05.13 | EvanCarroll | jim: could you explain what you mean by 'open' rely and what i can do for a solution, i have googled, for error 513 and viewed the first 10 pages of results =/ |
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| 11:05.22 | valdyn_ | !depends libapache-mod-php4 |
| 11:05.25 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache-common (>= 1.3.33), php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-8), libmagic1 |
| 11:06.21 | jim | EvanCarroll: an open relay can be used by anyone to transport mail... therefore (and this is the larger problem) it can be used by spammers to transpiort mail |
| 11:06.32 | jim | UserJill! |
| 11:06.35 | mr_ | hobody knows how to setup cdrom on debian?? |
| 11:06.46 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: I have a quite confusing MX situation that might add to that, evancarroll.com points to evancarroll.no-ip.com but they both resolv to different ips, evancarroll.no-ip.com resolvs to my ip (the no-ip service) however i know this works because i had it working with exim4, and i haven't chagned the MX records |
| 11:06.47 | valdyn_ | daxxar: having multiple sources for the same software in /etc/apt/sources.list *can* fuck up some things |
| 11:07.11 | valdyn_ | daxxar: now thats not supposed to happen with official mirrors, i don't know if it can |
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| 11:07.26 | daxxar | I have http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates and http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing, latter for deb and deb-src. |
| 11:07.28 | EvanCarroll | jim: so then theoretically you would think that courier would have an option to enable open relay and my problem would be solved |
| 11:07.41 | jim | mr_: what cdrom do you have? what do you mean by setup? have you read your logs? |
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| 11:07.45 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll so you get 513 when someone sends email to anything@evancarroll.com? |
| 11:07.50 | cafuego | daxxar: Yes, 'upgrade'c an hold back stuff if depends change. 'dist-upgrade' will pull in more. |
| 11:07.59 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: right |
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| 11:08.10 | valdyn_ | cafuego: problem is its pulling to much ( dist-upgrade ) |
| 11:08.23 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: So tell courier it also needs to accept mail for evancarroll.com. |
| 11:08.25 | daxxar | cafuego, it's pulling two dependencies that are |'ed. |
| 11:08.29 | mr_ | jim: it's a combo (dvd reader + cd-rw), nothing in logs else some ata2:... lines |
| 11:08.32 | jim | EvanCarroll: and while your problem would be solved, the spam problem of everyone else in the world would be just beginning |
| 11:08.46 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll you have 2 mx's listed, it should go to pref 10 first which is set to 10 evancarroll.com. |
| 11:08.48 | cafuego | daxxar: Peculiar. |
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| 11:08.52 | mr_ | jim: no hd*, scd*, cdrom devices, when I MAKEDEV them, I can't mount them |
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| 11:09.00 | daxxar | !depends php4 |
| 11:09.02 | valdyn_ | daxxar: i'd remove the testing security part . try to install individually instead of dist-upgrade ( just apt-get install ) |
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| 11:09.05 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-8) |
| 11:09.06 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll so courier-mta should be set to recieve email for domain evancarroll.com |
| 11:09.07 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: Well i have evancarroll, and evancarroll.no-ip.com in my locals/default file |
| 11:09.16 | jim | mr_: does the output of dmesg show your device? |
| 11:09.19 | valdyn_ | daxxar: but im as clueless as you now, O_O |
| 11:09.28 | daxxar | I can just use dselect-upgrade, valdyn_. that pulls the right stuff. |
| 11:09.35 | cafuego | daxxar: Ah yes, caudium. I noticed that too earlier today. I'm holding off on the update for now. |
| 11:09.37 | valdyn_ | daxxar: oh does it? |
| 11:09.45 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll but your mx records are a little strange. |
| 11:09.45 | daxxar | valdyn_, indeed. |
| 11:09.50 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: ? I thought MX prefrences worked in reverse order, 0 first than 5, than 10 and so on |
| 11:09.51 | valdyn_ | daxxar: i think you should file a bug report then |
| 11:09.52 | mr_ | jim: no, only lines that there is ata2, but without any name |
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| 11:10.15 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: yes, the lower numbers have preference. |
| 11:10.20 | daxxar | The following packages will be upgraded: grub libapache-mod-php4 php4-common php4-gd |
| 11:10.24 | daxxar | The following NEW packages will be installed: libzzip-0-12 |
| 11:10.28 | daxxar | (for dselect-upgrade) |
| 11:10.37 | daxxar | valdyn_, hm. what info should i include? |
| 11:10.45 | Remjey | hi, please can somebody explain me what Minimize-Cost means precisely when applied to a packet in iptables? |
| 11:10.52 | EvanCarroll | right so mail should bounce from the mx record at evancarroll, to the one at evancarroll.no-ip.com which is this box and valid |
| 11:10.56 | cafuego | daxxar: Just report that it wants to install caudium and that you don't think that's right. |
| 11:10.57 | Zap-W | nvidia-kernel-source is gone from sid |
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| 11:11.06 | jim | mr_: is the device connected to power and data correctly? |
| 11:11.07 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good program which can monitor diskspace and others service if they are down it will restart the service on the server? |
| 11:11.09 | EvanCarroll | or so i would think |
| 11:11.19 | daxxar | cafuego, ok. |
| 11:11.26 | mr_ | jim: yes |
| 11:11.30 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: just add evancarroll.no-ip.com as MX for evancarroll.com. The MX doesn't HAVE to be on the same domain. |
| 11:11.46 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: thats the way it should be now |
| 11:11.57 | jim | mr_: look more carefully at the output of dmesg |
| 11:12.10 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: yea just checked thats how i have it =D |
| 11:12.26 | mr_ | jim: I can paste you some |
| 11:12.34 | daxxar | Should I upgrade, though? Or leave it, in case they want more info.. |
| 11:12.41 | jim | I don'[t want to look at it... |
| 11:13.05 | mr_ | jim: of course not the whole dmesg |
| 11:13.09 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: I can send mail out fine, i just can't receive it because it bounces from box with the wonderfull 513 Relaying denied. |
| 11:13.25 | jim | that doesn't change anything :) |
| 11:13.36 | jahi | Hi, is there a simple midiplyer? seems that alsaplayer cant play midi, nor does xmms or mplayer |
| 11:13.48 | mr_ | jim: there are only lines like "ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/44", nothing else |
| 11:13.50 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: *nod* So that box doesn't know it's supposed to accept mail for said domain, even though you added it to that file. |
| 11:14.09 | jim | mr_: make sure the device is connected properly |
| 11:14.22 | mr_ | jim: and dmesg | grep CD returns nothing |
| 11:14.22 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: if error 513 implies that then I would say you are right |
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| 11:14.46 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll I can't connect via smtp to either of those Ip addresses. |
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| 11:14.57 | mr_ | jim: ok, so i'll go :) thanks for [trying to] help :) |
| 11:14.58 | jim | that's not gonna get you any?thing necessarily... pipe to less |
| 11:15.11 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: does the mail bounce with error 513? |
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| 11:15.16 | Zap-W | how do i see on what other modules a module depends on |
| 11:15.18 | jim | I didn't say that... I'm just saying make sure your hardware works |
| 11:15.22 | xk | zap-w :) |
| 11:15.30 | Bobf | hi |
| 11:15.42 | jim | Zap-W: one of the files in your installation has that info |
| 11:15.44 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll it never gets that far, neither one responds with an smtp greeting. |
| 11:15.59 | Bobf | why dist upgrade keep pushing me useless pakage? |
| 11:16.02 | cahoot | Zap-W: modinfo |
| 11:16.07 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll hold on its just really slow |
| 11:16.14 | daxxar | Hm. Do I report it on apt-get or on php4? :o |
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| 11:16.26 | EvanCarroll | hrm thats odd, so when you email melazyboy@evancarroll.com you don't even make it to the 513 bouce? |
| 11:16.26 | Bobf | today i got caudium installed will upgrading apache2 |
| 11:16.45 | mr_ | jim: i don't know what shall i do with this, maybe there is a conflict between SATA driver for hdd and IDE cd? |
| 11:16.56 | emergo | Im trying to run limewire and get this (.:29034): Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 28 (No space left on device) |
| 11:17.01 | jim | is this a sata drive? |
| 11:17.02 | Zap-W | right on |
| 11:17.08 | Bobf | what the big deal whit caudium and why it is require for updating ? |
| 11:17.09 | mr_ | jim: HDD is, CD isn't |
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| 11:17.33 | emergo | I have 42gb left |
| 11:17.33 | Gathond | emergo: so it fails to allocate some shared memory, iirc that is not a critical error for Gdk |
| 11:17.56 | emergo | Gathond: it stops |
| 11:18.04 | Gathond | emergo: shm is iirc shared memory, so it is not diskspace it talks about |
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| 11:18.08 | jim | I guess that's vaguely possible... but I dont' think the driver would last long if that were the case... the kernel people would get flooded if that were allowed to stay like that |
| 11:18.42 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll I get 513's its really slow to. Somewhere in the config for courier-mta it should let you set like a default domain? |
| 11:18.43 | jim | this sata drive, how does it show up in dmesg |
| 11:18.45 | Zap-W | why cant i find nvidia-kernel-source in sarge |
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| 11:18.50 | emergo | Gathond: strange then |
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| 11:19.03 | hexxeh | Zap-W, it isn't in sarge anymore. pull it from sid. |
| 11:19.04 | jim | Zap-W: you haven't looked yet? |
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| 11:19.11 | hexxeh | !tell Zap-W about non-free sources |
| 11:19.11 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: i have already set it in /etc/courier/locals |
| 11:19.16 | hexxeh | !tell Zap-W about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 11:19.21 | hexxeh | !tell Zap-W about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:19.23 | jim | zap-w: saw you coming a mile away :) |
| 11:19.24 | Zap-W | why |
| 11:19.25 | xk | ;) |
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| 11:19.34 | hexxeh | Zap-W, ask the package maintainer. |
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| 11:19.37 | hexxeh | !maint nvidia-glx |
| 11:19.38 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: Randall Donald <rdonald@debian.org> |
| 11:19.48 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll I dunno then I never used courier-mta, did you restart courier after you made the config file change? |
| 11:19.49 | mr_ | jim: ata1: SATA..., scsi0 : ata_piix |
| 11:20.00 | Zap-W | oh that's more than 2 lines to read |
| 11:20.02 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: yar i always restart |
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| 11:20.15 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll Qmail.org :) |
| 11:20.16 | jim | mr_: so the sata shows up on ata1? |
| 11:20.29 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: considering it |
| 11:20.31 | mr_ | jim: looks like that |
| 11:20.38 | mr_ | jim: and something on ata2 - i think cd |
| 11:20.48 | jim | ok, howbout ide0? |
| 11:20.54 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll yeah it's really slow to connect even if it does start working. |
| 11:21.02 | jim | what do you have the cd connected to? primary master? |
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| 11:21.14 | mr_ | jim: sec. master |
| 11:21.24 | jim | ok, then ide1 |
| 11:21.24 | mr_ | and dmesg | grep ide0 returns nothing |
| 11:21.32 | mr_ | ide1 too |
| 11:21.37 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: don't know why its slow to connect |
| 11:21.41 | jim | look without grep |
| 11:21.43 | jim | use less |
| 11:21.44 | EvanCarroll | thesaboteur: im not torrenting at the momment |
| 11:21.50 | jim | look at the whole thing |
| 11:22.00 | mr_ | i have looked |
| 11:22.16 | jim | you won't understand everything, you won't understand most of it probablyu |
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| 11:22.26 | mr_ | it looks like it wants to treat CD with ata_piix driver |
| 11:22.27 | jim | that's ok, just see what it says |
| 11:22.53 | jim | piix, is that a motherboard chipset? |
| 11:23.05 | mr_ | jim: yes, ICH5 |
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| 11:23.31 | thesaboteur | EvanCarroll yeah It's most likely the daemon itself that's slow, it may be trying to do hostname lookups, etc. |
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| 11:23.35 | jim | mr_: rafb.org/paste |
| 11:23.49 | jim | put all of output of dmesg there |
| 11:24.03 | mr_ | rafb.org? |
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| 11:24.11 | jim | mr_: rafb.org/paste |
| 11:24.17 | Xer | ho guys |
| 11:24.20 | Xer | hi guyes |
| 11:24.25 | mr_ | jim: it is a http link? |
| 11:24.29 | jim | yes |
| 11:24.47 | jim | what, you can't browse yet? |
| 11:24.53 | Hybridized_ | Hi Xer |
| 11:24.53 | mr_ | jim: my browser says the domain name could not be found |
| 11:25.02 | Xer | can anyone tell me why i get this |
| 11:25.03 | Xer | bash: ./bootsplash-3.1.3-2.6.0-test9.diff: Permission denied |
| 11:25.03 | Xer | [im rooot] |
| 11:25.10 | Xer | hi hybrid |
| 11:25.11 | jim | ok, I got it wrong then |
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| 11:25.17 | jim | let me check |
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| 11:25.24 | haffalump | Hello |
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| 11:25.40 | Zap-W | too bad there isnt a console ver of Skype |
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| 11:25.59 | thesaboteur | Xer what are the permissions on that file? |
| 11:26.05 | Hybridized_ | ^^ |
| 11:26.05 | mr_ | Zap-W, good that there is a linux version :) |
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| 11:26.15 | Xer | i think its about kernel thinges |
| 11:26.18 | ricky_clarkson | Xer: Because you are trying to run a file that isn't for running. |
| 11:26.21 | haffalump | I got the following error by installing kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8: cpio: (0x00000000): Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 11:26.24 | ricky_clarkson | Xer: man patch |
| 11:26.26 | Xer | http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
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| 11:26.32 | Xer | im trying to install this |
| 11:26.33 | Zap-W | mr_: yes |
| 11:26.34 | haffalump | cp: Aufruf von stat für ,,(0x00000000)" nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 11:26.34 | Xer | its look cool :) |
| 11:26.38 | Zap-W | mr_: atleast that.. |
| 11:26.43 | haffalump | run-parts: /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/e2fsprogs exited with return code 1 |
| 11:26.46 | xk | haffalump: you have an athlon 64 chip? |
| 11:26.52 | mr_ | jim: so? what with this address? |
| 11:26.54 | haffalump | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 11:26.59 | haffalump | xk: yes |
| 11:27.14 | haffalump | What should I do now ?! |
| 11:27.15 | jim | patience grasshopper |
| 11:27.15 | xk | haffalump: cool - I getting one tomorrow. |
| 11:27.27 | xk | s/I/I'm/ |
| 11:27.30 | ricky_clarkson | Xer: http://www.bootsplash.org/kernel.html |
| 11:27.33 | mr_ | jim: there is rafb.net/paste |
| 11:27.34 | jim | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 11:27.38 | mr_ | :) |
| 11:27.41 | jim | yes that's the one |
| 11:27.56 | Xer | root@errorlinux:/home/error # patch -pnum bootsplash-3.1.3-2.6.0-test9.diff |
| 11:27.56 | Xer | patch: **** strip count num is not a number |
| 11:28.02 | Xer | whats the wrong?!!! |
| 11:28.25 | ricky_clarkson | Xer: The user! |
| 11:28.34 | ricky_clarkson | Xer: From that site: "yourbox:~ # cd /usr/src/linux" |
| 11:28.37 | xk | -p<num> where <num> is 0 or 1, |
| 11:28.38 | Zap-W | xk: you are the australian xt? |
| 11:28.38 | hexxeh | Xer, you run a 2.6.0-test9 kernel? |
| 11:28.38 | Xer | whats about it? |
| 11:28.48 | xk | Zap-W: yeah. |
| 11:28.51 | Xer | noo |
| 11:28.52 | Xer | :P |
| 11:28.54 | Zap-W | oh , |
| 11:28.54 | xk | Zap-W: are you the israeli zap-w? |
| 11:28.56 | xk | ;) |
| 11:29.01 | Zap-W | ofcourse |
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| 11:29.06 | ricky_clarkson | !ricky_clarkson |
| 11:29.06 | dpkg | you are probably english |
| 11:29.21 | mr_ | jim: ok, pasted |
| 11:29.25 | Zap-W | i still remeber when how pissed you were when i changed your factoid heh |
| 11:29.42 | mr_ | jim: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cOaJ8332.html |
| 11:29.42 | ricky_clarkson | Heh, drunk IRC. |
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| 11:31.05 | xk | mr_: dual 3.0ghz? |
| 11:31.40 | jim | mr_: look at line 170 |
| 11:31.47 | mr_ | xk: one 3.0 with HT :) |
| 11:31.59 | mr_ | jim: yes, it is my hdd |
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| 11:32.04 | jim | ok |
| 11:32.09 | Zap-W | $$$ |
| 11:32.25 | haffalump | Nobody could help me ? |
| 11:32.28 | jim | the thing is on ata2 |
| 11:32.40 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.43 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.53 | Xer | can i just install it to /user/src ? |
| 11:32.53 | dossi81 | Hallo. Wie kann man herausfinden mit welchen installationsoptionen debian pakete bereitgestellt werden (speziell squi)? |
| 11:33.14 | mr_ | Xer: do you have other folders in /usr/src ? |
| 11:33.21 | jim | otherwise known as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 to the scsi emu driver |
| 11:34.46 | Xer | brb |
| 11:34.50 | Xer | i cant read any thinges |
| 11:34.52 | sepski | haffalump, well i for one have no idea what your error message means since its not english... maybe #debian.de would understand it. but it sounds like a issue with the kernel image. i may be both silly and stupid, but i have had success with apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-yadaydad in such cases |
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| 11:34.55 | Xer | i do /list in here ;) |
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| 11:35.11 | sepski | i mean with the initrd cration of the kernel image install |
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| 11:35.27 | Xer | i finshed |
| 11:35.34 | mr_ | jim: any ideas? :/ |
| 11:35.35 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.38 | Xer | can i just install it to /user/src ? |
| 11:35.40 | Xer | ? |
| 11:35.50 | jim | mr_: you didn't read what I just posted? :) |
| 11:35.54 | jim | the thing is on ata2 |
| 11:35.54 | daxxar | hm. When I've reported a bug with reportbug, but mailing failed, so it stored it in a local file; how can I send it when I fixed mailing? =) |
| 11:35.57 | jim | otherwise known as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 to the scsi emu driver |
| 11:36.01 | Xer | anyone can help me? |
| 11:36.02 | mr_ | Xer: if you have /usr/src/kernel* you can make a symlink |
| 11:36.13 | Xer | linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 minifo.tar.bz2 rpm |
| 11:36.14 | Xer | linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 modules |
| 11:36.18 | Xer | i have that folders |
| 11:36.18 | Xer | :D |
| 11:36.23 | Xer | ha!! |
| 11:36.27 | sepski | Xer, /usr/src/linux is usualy a symlink to /usr/src/linux-version-whatever |
| 11:36.31 | Xer | symlink? i dont know whats this for? |
| 11:36.36 | mr_ | jim: and if ls /dev/scsi/ returns no such file or dir? |
| 11:36.47 | Xer | can anyone tell me how to do the link? |
| 11:37.03 | jim | and no /dev/sga? |
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| 11:37.22 | mr_ | jim: no sga, there is sg0 |
| 11:37.26 | haffalump | I got the following error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uztyB228.html |
| 11:37.47 | valdyn_ | Xer: cd /usr/src && ln -s kernel-source-2-blah linux |
| 11:37.59 | Xer | ok |
| 11:38.03 | Xer | here is new problem |
| 11:38.07 | Xer | i have to kernel folders ;) |
| 11:38.14 | Xer | tp = two |
| 11:38.17 | Xer | to = two |
| 11:38.56 | mr_ | jim: and.. this /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0... isn't it HDD? |
| 11:38.58 | Xer | linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 <- folders and -> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 |
| 11:39.01 | valdyn_ | Xer: what are yu trying to do? |
| 11:39.15 | Xer | trying to find wich folder is my kernel :P |
| 11:39.18 | valdyn_ | Xer: /usr/src/linux is not required for much at all.. |
| 11:39.22 | jim | mr_: no, don't think so |
| 11:39.23 | emergo | ls usb give me this, but vlc cant stream : Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08b2 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 4000 |
| 11:39.27 | mr_ | Xer: try 'uname -a' |
| 11:39.32 | valdyn_ | Xer: you don't have any kernel-source folder |
| 11:39.35 | jim | do you have scsi general built into your kernel? |
| 11:39.38 | xk | haffalump: would be understandable for us if it wasn't in german. |
| 11:39.50 | Xer | Linux errorlinux 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux <<<-- i found it thx :) |
| 11:40.15 | Xer | to get* |
| 11:41.07 | mr_ | jim: as a module |
| 11:41.24 | mr_ | jim; and sg is loaded |
| 11:41.27 | Xer | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 # /usr/src && ln -s linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 linux |
| 11:41.28 | Xer | bash: /usr/src: is a directory |
| 11:41.40 | daxxar | I get sent a "confirmation email" or similar when I report a bug to the btw, right? |
| 11:41.45 | daxxar | bts* |
| 11:41.46 | mr_ | Xer: cd before /usr/src |
| 11:41.46 | xk | Xer: forgot a cd? |
| 11:41.47 | valdyn_ | Xer: cd /usr/src |
| 11:41.52 | haffalump | xk: How could I change the output to english ? |
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| 11:42.30 | xk | haffalump: "unset LANG". try again. |
| 11:42.39 | jim | mr_, do you have any /dev/sd* ? |
| 11:42.42 | xk | or maybe unset C |
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| 11:43.03 | valdyn_ | Xer: youre trying to do something silly probably, as i said, that symlink is not required for much at all |
| 11:43.05 | mr_ | jim: sda, sda1 sda2 sda3 - this is hard disk |
| 11:43.11 | Xer | nah |
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| 11:43.18 | Xer | i like to use linux folder |
| 11:43.19 | jim | ok, howbout /dev/sg* |
| 11:43.33 | Xer | [maybe i will get new patch and use it to upgrade to kernel 3 |
| 11:43.54 | jim | I'm thinking your thing can be read as /dev/sda |
| 11:43.59 | Xer | and i will not write kernel-src-2..000000.000000 ;) |
| 11:43.59 | valdyn_ | Xer: kernel 3? in 2015? |
| 11:44.09 | Xer | i dont know ;) |
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| 11:44.16 | Xer | uh wait |
| 11:44.19 | Xer | tis 2.10 |
| 11:44.23 | Xer | or 2.6.10 |
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| 11:44.55 | Xer | how long the patch neeed to work? |
| 11:44.58 | Xer | :D |
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| 11:45.21 | mr_ | jim: sg0 |
| 11:45.49 | jim | maybe that's how you refer to the writer |
| 11:46.12 | jim | got a cd with a data track? |
| 11:46.16 | mr_ | yes |
| 11:46.26 | mr_ | "/dev/sg0 is not a block device" |
| 11:46.26 | jim | iso filesystem? |
| 11:46.32 | haffalump | I've got a Problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/IyX5it19.html (now in english) |
| 11:46.42 | jim | no, it's not a block device, so that's normal |
| 11:46.49 | Xer | how long the patch neeed to work? 4 patching thinges? |
| 11:46.55 | Zap-W | SunOS 2.4 - 40Mhz" |
| 11:47.03 | Xer | 40 mhz?!! |
| 11:47.15 | Xer | whats the date of today? |
| 11:47.39 | mr_ | jim: so how should I mount it? |
| 11:47.54 | Xer | rm -r /dev |
| 11:48.02 | Xer | now how long its will take? |
| 11:48.35 | mr_ | Xer: try :p |
| 11:48.54 | Xer | lol |
| 11:48.58 | nksen | anyone using aterm? starting it with 'aterm +tr' does not set it transparent on enlightenment. any ideas? |
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| 11:49.29 | jim | try: mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 11:49.35 | jim | with a cd in the drive |
| 11:49.36 | xk | haffalump: hrm... looks like a parsing error. I'd put an " -x" after the shell in the postinst script to enable verbose level (/var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst) |
| 11:49.43 | Melsen | Is there a command to see what modules that is currently loaded? |
| 11:49.47 | xk | haffalump: then dpkg --pending --configure |
| 11:49.53 | jim | lsmod |
| 11:49.56 | Melsen | thanks |
| 11:50.17 | mr_ | jim: without -t it doesn't work, with: sda already mounted or /mnt/s2 busy [and it is ot busy] |
| 11:50.41 | jim | what type is the cd? |
| 11:50.48 | mr_ | iso9660 |
| 11:50.49 | haffalump | xk: These pending is still not working... it occours the same error |
| 11:51.01 | jim | type: mount |
| 11:51.03 | mr_ | jim: from a computer magazine |
| 11:51.09 | jim | is sda mounted? |
| 11:51.18 | Xer | User@linux:/usr/src/linux $ patch -p1 /home/User/bootsplash-3.1.3-2.6.0-test9.diff |
| 11:51.32 | Xer | how many days i need to wait? |
| 11:51.37 | Xer | [ages |
| 11:51.51 | mr_ | jim: no, but... /dev/hda2 is and i don't have /dev/hda2 :) |
| 11:52.03 | jim | ohh |
| 11:52.07 | xk | haffalump: what I said still stands... you need to do it to see what happens. |
| 11:52.10 | jim | so it -is- busy |
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| 11:52.34 | mr_ | jim, why if it is NOT mounted? |
| 11:52.34 | jim | hda2 is your cd as seen by ide driver |
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| 11:52.40 | xk | haffalump: eg: "bash -x /etc/init.d/ssh"... you should get that type of info. |
| 11:53.14 | mr_ | jim: so change in fstab hda* to sda* and try to mount /dev/sg0 and /dev/sda ? |
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| 11:53.29 | jim | wait, hda2? |
| 11:53.36 | valdyn_ | mr_: sgX cannot be mounted |
| 11:53.42 | jim | sorry, I'm not thinking straight |
| 11:53.57 | jim | hda2 is second partition of primary master |
| 11:54.06 | mr_ | valdyn_ thanks :) |
| 11:54.06 | Xer | how to mount a hardisk? |
| 11:54.07 | jim | hdc is secondary master |
| 11:54.08 | mathieu_ | Xer, it's patch -p1 < /home/... |
| 11:54.14 | mr_ | jim: yes |
| 11:54.15 | Xer | hda1 ? |
| 11:54.19 | Xer | ha |
| 11:54.27 | mr_ | and i don't have any hd* devi |
| 11:54.28 | Xer | mathieu_ , i know |
| 11:54.29 | Xer | i write it |
| 11:54.30 | mr_ | devices |
| 11:54.33 | Xer | then its didnt work |
| 11:54.35 | mathieu_ | Xer, whatever |
| 11:54.38 | Xer | soo i change and remove the > |
| 11:54.48 | valdyn_ | !tell Xer about enter |
| 11:54.58 | Xer | now how to mount a driver? |
| 11:55.01 | Xer | btw |
| 11:55.05 | Xer | i know im trolling ;) |
| 11:55.20 | Xer | my last before before before g-line was annoying trolling :P |
| 11:55.24 | jim | you do? |
| 11:55.37 | haffalump | xk: "bash -x /etc/init.d/ssh". what sould that mean... ? |
| 11:55.39 | mathieu_ | .ae |
| 11:55.50 | Xer | emirates |
| 11:55.56 | mathieu_ | i know |
| 11:55.57 | Xer | !country .ae |
| 11:55.58 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 11:56.05 | PerfDave | Wow, it's #tards in here today |
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| 11:56.15 | Xer | bad script ;) |
| 11:56.15 | jim | self-described troll? |
| 11:56.18 | Melsen | I'm having a problem recompiling a new kernel... I can't figure out what network driver to use... How do I see what network driver is used on a running dist? |
| 11:56.26 | xk | haffalump: it means run it... that's an example of output you should get when you modify the postinst script of the intended package you want to setup... I want to see what is executed because it's failing at some command. |
| 11:56.27 | Xer | @tell xer about mounting |
| 11:56.33 | Xer | |!tell xer about mounting |
| 11:56.33 | Xer | !tell xer about mounting |
| 11:56.38 | mr_ | isn't that strange that my system works and according to fstab /dev/hda2 is mounted on / and there is no hda2 ? :) |
| 11:56.41 | Xer | !tell xer about mount |
| 11:56.55 | Xer | !tell xer about how to mount |
| 11:56.55 | mr_ | Melsen, try lsmod |
| 11:56.59 | jim | ok, can we silence this guy? |
| 11:57.01 | Melsen | doesn |
| 11:57.06 | valdyn_ | mr_: does /.dev exist? |
| 11:57.06 | Xer | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'how to mount'. |
| 11:57.08 | Melsen | doesn't show anything mr_ |
| 11:57.19 | mr_ | Melsen, as a root |
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| 11:57.28 | mr_ | valdyn_ : no |
| 11:57.29 | Melsen | I am logged in as root =) |
| 11:57.34 | ctmnz | !country .bg |
| 11:57.35 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 11:57.54 | jim | you ware -glined-? on what net? |
| 11:58.13 | Melsen | lsmod shows me lockd, sunrpc, af_packet and thats it |
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| 11:58.22 | Xer | jim, do you mean me? |
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| 11:58.45 | jim | of course... there's no other self-described troll here that I know about :) |
| 11:58.53 | Error_ | lol |
| 11:59.06 | Error_ | <- if you dont know me this nick will remmber you ;) |
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| 11:59.52 | xk | Error_: you're starting to annoy me ;) |
| 11:59.52 | mr_ | valdyn_, so i don't have /.dev, what is it for? |
| 12:00.01 | Error_ | lol |
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| 12:00.14 | jim | Error_: so you say you were glined for annoyingly trolling? on what net? |
| 12:00.23 | Error_ | ;) |
| 12:00.32 | Error_ | i think i saw ur nick sameone where :P |
| 12:00.36 | Error_ | soo i wont tell you |
| 12:00.37 | Error_ | :D |
| 12:00.44 | Error_ | try to GUESS |
| 12:00.45 | Error_ | :D |
| 12:00.50 | xk | efnet |
| 12:00.56 | jim | I'm done... let's get rid of him |
| 12:00.58 | Pomax | I'm still reasonably new to debian, but I'm trying to install wacom-kernel-source, and can't find my kernel headers anywhere. if I tell it to use /usr/include/linux/, it claims that's nota valide kernel headers location =/ |
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| 12:01.23 | Error_ | lol |
| 12:01.31 | Error_ | efnet correct |
| 12:01.33 | Error_ | and dalnet |
| 12:01.37 | jim | thanks for telling us you troll on purpose |
| 12:01.40 | Error_ | and few others servers ;) |
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| 12:01.45 | Error_ | lol |
| 12:02.11 | mr_ | Error_: could you click enter rarer? |
| 12:02.12 | valdyn_ | Pomax: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 12:02.42 | mr_ | valdyn_, what with this /.dev? |
| 12:02.59 | valdyn_ | mr_: dont worry about it if it does not exist |
| 12:03.17 | Error_ | noo i cant my enter stick and now im useing script to prece enter if i write more then 20 words then my enter will be enable soo i can prece it [ nice script fot stoping me from trolling ;) hahahah] |
| 12:03.40 | valdyn_ | Pomax: did that work? |
| 12:03.45 | Pomax | up to a degree, |
| 12:03.53 | valdyn_ | !vagueness |
| 12:03.53 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 12:04.01 | Pomax | the comma implied more =) |
| 12:04.02 | Melsen | How do I check what network drivers is used specifically on a running debian. All 'lsmod' is showing me is lockd, sunrpc and af_packet... and I am logged in as root on that machine. |
| 12:04.05 | mr_ | hmm, ok, maybe I'll give up and rip this dvd under 2.4 :D |
| 12:04.06 | xk | ;) |
| 12:04.09 | jim | is it any clearer now that this person should be +q? |
| 12:04.18 | jm_ | Melsen: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 12:04.22 | Pomax | the wacom installer still refuses /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8.2/ as a valid kernel headers location |
| 12:04.23 | Melsen | thanks |
| 12:04.36 | jm_ | Melsen: or maybe not |
| 12:04.45 | valdyn_ | Pomax: is that wacom source off a debian package? |
| 12:04.49 | *** mode/#Debian [+o xk] by ChanServ |
| 12:04.54 | jm_ | Melsen: also try /proc/ioports |
| 12:04.59 | Error_ | ahem |
| 12:05.03 | Error_ | xk do u know i like you |
| 12:05.05 | Zap-W | procinfo |
| 12:05.06 | Error_ | you are good friend |
| 12:05.10 | Error_ | you the best |
| 12:05.12 | xk | Error_: you're annoying. |
| 12:05.20 | xkFriend | ;) |
| 12:05.24 | valdyn_ | Pomax: if that is the case, apt-get install module-assistant - and run it, if not, then I cant support you |
| 12:05.30 | Melsen | jm_: I think what you said first works.. it shows me 'PCnet/PCI II 79C970A' |
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| 12:05.38 | xkFriend | you wont kick ban your friend , doo you? |
| 12:05.43 | Melsen | jm_: looks right.... doesn't it? |
| 12:05.47 | mr_ | Error.. go back to Arabia :) |
| 12:05.48 | Pomax | yeah, it's the one retrieved through aptitude. |
| 12:06.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@lac065.emirates.net.ae] by xk |
| 12:06.20 | nagual | whats +q? |
| 12:06.22 | Pomax | alright, module assistant installed. |
| 12:06.27 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
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| 12:06.37 | nagual | hehe |
| 12:06.38 | valdyn_ | nagual: _q_uiet |
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| 12:07.02 | xk | it should keep him quiet :) |
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| 12:07.13 | nagual | hm. nice |
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| 12:07.16 | xk | unless he nick floods. |
| 12:07.29 | nagual | that a regular dancer, or have you modified it? |
| 12:07.38 | nagual | (the ircd) |
| 12:07.53 | nagual | nice feature, they dont have that on q-net or efnet |
| 12:08.14 | xk | I wouldn't know. |
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| 12:08.25 | grmbl | hello |
| 12:08.35 | Melsen | hey grmbl |
| 12:08.38 | jm_ | Melsen: yes |
| 12:08.47 | Melsen | thanks jmspeex |
| 12:08.48 | xk | ircd servers have been custom modified since pretty much from the beginning. |
| 12:08.49 | Melsen | err |
| 12:08.51 | Melsen | thanks jm_ |
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| 12:09.24 | grmbl | is there a debian package of the blackdown java jre version 1.4? im using 1.3 now, bit i need 1.4 |
| 12:09.51 | jim | grmbl: there's java-package |
| 12:10.04 | grmbl | for woody i should add |
| 12:10.16 | jim | debian package? dunno./ |
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| 12:11.10 | grmbl | jim: did you install the binary from sun? |
| 12:11.19 | ricky_clarkson | grmbl: java-package works on woody, reportedly. |
| 12:11.26 | kn0t | grmbl: did you take a look at www.apt-get.org/search ? |
| 12:11.29 | jim | I don't have a woody anymore |
| 12:11.40 | xk | get some viagra |
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| 12:12.04 | jim | (and before all of you laugh, I stick my tongue out in your general direction :P ) |
| 12:12.07 | Pomax | valdyn_, I'm running the module assistance, but it seems to be missing some text =) |
| 12:12.07 | xk | and some porn videos. |
| 12:12.24 | Pomax | 'the source package may not be installed. Woul you' and then a yes/no choice. |
| 12:12.33 | Pomax | I hope that asks me if I'd like to install it. |
| 12:12.33 | MobyTurbo | grmbl: you can search for it at apt-get.org. Incidentally, its available |
| 12:12.46 | grmbl | just saw it. thatnks |
| 12:12.53 | karamelos | when I launch nano with gksu the arrow keys return code like ^[OD instead of moving the cursor. What is wrong? |
| 12:13.02 | grmbl | apt-get.org ... i didnt even know that |
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| 12:14.17 | MobyTurbo | grmbl: it |
| 12:14.28 | makx | guessnet ignores the dns-search home.loc stanzas in my interfaces file |
| 12:14.33 | MobyTurbo | grmbl: it's the best place for finding third party repositories |
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| 12:14.49 | makx | alos the dns-nameservers one, no entry change of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:15.03 | grmbl | MobyTurbo: indeed. i was always looking at backports.org |
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| 12:15.11 | tommy2 | anyone know of software that can extract barcodes from flatbed scaner images??? |
| 12:15.24 | sussudio | !!! |
| 12:15.24 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 12:15.50 | MobyTurbo | grmbl: backports.org is OK, one of the few repositories that makes a serious attempt to provide security fixes |
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| 12:19.04 | nksen | is there a way to run access programs (.mdb) under linux? |
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| 12:19.21 | jim | what';s an access program |
| 12:20.00 | jim | if this is some microcrap database, you might consider postgres instead |
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| 12:20.27 | nksen | it's a database program at our university |
| 12:20.40 | nksen | i have to use this program |
| 12:20.51 | nksen | so no way on changing the structure or database |
| 12:21.02 | jim | ok, run windows |
| 12:21.03 | zinx | nksen: no, but you can probably run access if you try hard enough. |
| 12:21.05 | jim | and access |
| 12:21.14 | zinx | nksen: it's probably better to use windows for it, though |
| 12:21.20 | nksen | zinx: you mean running it with wine |
| 12:21.25 | nksen | yeah, i see |
| 12:21.50 | jim | no I mean run it under real windows |
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| 12:22.09 | nksen | jim: see the 'zinx: ' in front of my question |
| 12:22.15 | jim | it might be possible under sine |
| 12:22.32 | daxxar | What do I need to get DMA-support, except the IDE-controllers driver? |
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| 12:23.17 | shiner840 | nksen you could try http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:23.29 | jim | see the "go away, run microsoft if you have to, it's non free, why should you be supported here" in front of mine :) |
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| 12:24.29 | jm_ | so 2.6.11 is out then |
| 12:24.48 | infodroid | nksen: you got problem with access? |
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| 12:24.53 | arturaz | hi |
| 12:24.53 | Zap-W_ | what's wrong with : exec twm & in .xinitrc ,it quits X right after running startx |
| 12:25.03 | jm_ | Zap-W: & is wrong |
| 12:25.29 | nksen | infodroid: no, no probem. just thinking about running this program under linux |
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| 12:25.43 | nksen | infodroid: meanwhile i have to switch between two computers with a kvm-switch |
| 12:25.52 | Zap-W_ | it dosent work with & eithr dosent run twm |
| 12:25.59 | Zap-W_ | without |
| 12:26.07 | infodroid | nksen: oh, i had to migrate an access db to postgresql under debian. was best achieved in pgaccess in windows. rather than mdbtools. |
| 12:26.09 | jm_ | then it's not in your PATH |
| 12:26.29 | jim | Zap-W_: full path to twm |
| 12:26.53 | infodroid | nksen: thats my meme for the day |
| 12:27.10 | nksen | ok, i see |
| 12:27.12 | tommy2 | anyone know of software that can extract barcodes from flatbed scaner images??? |
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| 12:27.26 | Zap-W_ | wait it works , it's just invisible cause of the huge nvidia LOGO |
| 12:27.48 | jm_ | nvidia logo goes away after a while |
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| 12:28.10 | jm_ | but your X server probably quits before that because of & |
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| 12:31.11 | Zap-W_ | jm_: no & dosent quit thought now i removed the logo and it'sall blackA |
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| 12:35.47 | Zap-W_ | i dont understand why my desktop background is black |
| 12:35.51 | Zap-W_ | mice cursor appears |
| 12:35.56 | Zap-W_ | and moves |
| 12:36.02 | valdyn_ | Zap-W_: you are using Xorg? |
| 12:36.10 | Zap-W_ | no |
| 12:36.15 | valdyn_ | Zap-W_: are you even on debian? |
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| 12:36.43 | Zap-W_ | no on windows |
| 12:37.43 | xerophyte | could somebody recommend any linux good magazine which is good for system and network admins ?? |
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| 12:38.23 | Pomax | hm, right. I hate the wacom installer. it refuses any headers location I throw at it, except the obviously bogus /usr/src/kernel-headers-*/ location. then it proceeds but discovers there's no such location |
| 12:38.37 | miyo | xerophyte: LWN.net |
| 12:38.45 | valdyn_ | Pomax: youre not supposed to use a wacom installer in debian |
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| 12:39.08 | Pomax | suppositions aside, my wacom is not properly processed, so I don't quite see another way |
| 12:39.15 | Pomax | is there a better way? |
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| 12:39.41 | valdyn_ | Pomax: module-assistant, make-kpkg ( /msg dpkg kernel-package ) |
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| 12:39.57 | valdyn_ | Pomax: or /msg dpkg kp |
| 12:40.03 | Pomax | module-assistant misbehaves quite a bit though |
| 12:40.18 | Pomax | it doesn't write fail logs, and sends me incomplete question dialogs |
| 12:40.39 | valdyn_ | Pomax: type: module-assistant update <enter> |
| 12:40.44 | Pomax | I did |
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| 12:40.58 | valdyn_ | Pomax: now type module-assistant build wacom <enter> |
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| 12:41.39 | petemc | Pomax: its not just looking for you kernel source in /usr/src/linux ? |
| 12:41.55 | Pomax | dies with a totally misplaced line about a 'no such location' for my kernel headers, |
| 12:42.04 | Pomax | and then asks me to view the fail log, continue, or stop |
| 12:42.09 | Pomax | but it hasn't written a fail log. |
| 12:43.05 | valdyn_ | Pomax: you're doing this as root? |
| 12:43.14 | Pomax | hmm, no, it flashed by too fast so I didn't properly read it. |
| 12:43.15 | Pomax | yes. |
| 12:43.24 | Pomax | it can't find the wacom-kernel-buildlog |
| 12:43.47 | xerophyte | miyo, do you have any promotion code :) |
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| 12:44.13 | panda | how to specify a single port in iptables? |
| 12:44.33 | zamolxes | panda: #iptables , --dport |
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| 12:44.36 | valdyn_ | Pomax: i just build it, it worked, so m-a is fine, something else is wrong |
| 12:44.37 | petemc | Pomax: --dport |
| 12:44.39 | petemc | gah |
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| 12:44.47 | zamolxes | panda: don't forget about -p |
| 12:44.55 | BobbyBT | hello |
| 12:45.13 | BobbyBT | is there somebody familiar with Knoppix's customization ? |
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| 12:45.48 | valdyn_ | Pomax: try cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ to see if your tree is ok there ( m-a needs it ) |
| 12:45.49 | zamolxes | BobbyBT: well, the guys on #knoppix might |
| 12:45.49 | xk | !#knoppix |
| 12:45.49 | dpkg | knoppix is not debian, and #debian is not #knoppix. go there |
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| 12:46.28 | Pomax | well, the location exists and has content, I'm not sure how to verify it's an intact source tree |
| 12:46.40 | panda | <PoWeR> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:46.40 | panda | !op |
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| 12:46.57 | khanman | how do i keep resolve.conf from being updated everytime the lease on my ip address is renewed? im using a linksys router for dhcp but i would like dns resolution from dns servers in my win2k domain |
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| 12:47.33 | miyo | khanman: What is your dhcp-client? |
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| 12:47.54 | khanman | miyo: dunno whatever was installed by default in sarge |
| 12:47.57 | petemc | khanman: look in /etc/dhclient.conf , or use resolvconf, the package |
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| 12:48.25 | khanman | tnx guys...ill look into that petemc |
| 12:48.38 | sakis | kANENAS APO ELLADA? |
| 12:48.54 | valdyn_ | Pomax: somehow I suspect that you messed with /usr/src/modules/wacom/ |
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| 12:49.07 | ricky_clarkson | !greek |
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| 12:49.36 | miyo | khanman: To find out what it is that you have installed 'apt-show-versions | grep -i dhcp' |
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| 12:49.46 | Pomax | being pretty new to debian, that's not unlikely. |
| 12:49.47 | ricky_clarkson | sakis: Nobody seems to speak Greek who uses Debian. You could start a #debian-gr if you like. |
| 12:49.50 | miyo | khanman: But most likely it is dhcp-client, in which case follow what petemc said. |
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| 12:49.56 | psychologizer | what should i read to tune my init as best and as fast as possible? :) |
| 12:50.05 | Pomax | Anyway to revert the wacom module to a working set? |
| 12:50.09 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.09 | Pomax | *Any way |
| 12:50.50 | miyo | xerophyte: No, I don't have any promotion code. |
| 12:51.07 | khanman | sudo: apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 12:51.09 | xerophyte | miyo is it really good for 10$/month just wondering |
| 12:51.09 | valdyn_ | Pomax: rm -r /usr/src/modules/wacom && apt-get --reinstall install wacom-kernel-source && m-a clean wacom && m-a build wacom ( cut and paste this ) |
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| 12:52.13 | Pomax | it does all the cleaning and regetting, then m-a fails in the same way. |
| 12:52.35 | miyo | xerophyte: Well... "LWN.net has been covering the Linux and free software communities since 1998. Our aim is to provide complete information from the development community in a concise, well-written, and objective manner." |
| 12:52.37 | Pomax | still without writing a fail log |
| 12:53.04 | xk | miyo: set that as the factoid on dpkg. |
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| 12:54.16 | miyo | xk: Wouldn't know how to do that =) |
| 12:54.19 | valdyn_ | Pomax: ok - going one level lower: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make-kpkg modules-image |
| 12:54.35 | xk | miyo: "/msg dpkg no lwn is ...." |
| 12:54.42 | miyo | xerophyte: And don't forgot to read their FAQ which might actually answer to your questions (after all it is FAQ) - http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn |
| 12:55.04 | Pomax | make-kpkg or make-dpkg? |
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| 12:55.28 | valdyn_ | Pomax: kpkg ( kernel package ) |
| 12:55.31 | Pomax | because make-kpkg isn't found as command |
| 12:55.39 | miyo | xk: Hmm... what parts of that are required as 'lwn is lwn.net has been..." does not really make sense. |
| 12:56.09 | xk | miyo: all of it. since the factoid already exists, it needs to be overwritten (hence the "no" bit) |
| 12:56.10 | valdyn_ | Pomax: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 12:56.10 | panda | is this correct? iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -dport 80 -s ! xx.xx.xx.xx -j DROP |
| 12:56.42 | Pomax | alright, running the modules-image make |
| 12:56.47 | xk | pando: --dport |
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| 12:57.16 | xk | pando: I usually use -A instead of -I |
| 12:57.32 | Pomax | hmm, I get a few make errors on /usr/src/modules/wacom, "No targets specified and no makefile found." |
| 12:57.32 | valdyn_ | Pomax: i dont expect it to work, but to produce a more meaningful error message |
| 12:57.33 | petemc | panda: iptables -A INPUT -s ipaddr --dport 80 -j REJECT |
| 12:58.00 | xk | and you need -p <protocol> |
| 12:58.08 | petemc | do you need it? |
| 12:58.35 | xk | hrm... I prefer to set it. in some cases you do. |
| 12:58.48 | valdyn_ | Pomax: pwd |
| 12:59.11 | miyo | xk: Done =) |
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| 12:59.14 | valdyn_ | !m-a |
| 12:59.14 | dpkg | methinks m-a is your daddy. use it, especially for nvidia kernel module creation |
| 12:59.15 | Pomax | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/build |
| 12:59.30 | petemc | xk: you're right, it doesnt like the --dport argument there either |
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| 13:00.03 | valdyn_ | Pomax: did you do stuff in the directory too? |
| 13:00.11 | Pomax | no. |
| 13:01.14 | Pomax | I haven't actively modified anything in any dirs myself, other than updating my Xconfig trying to get Japanese input to work. |
| 13:01.15 | valdyn_ | Pomax: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && make oldconfig |
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| 13:03.29 | zahod | Pomax, do you have a nice guide for making japanese input work? :) |
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| 13:03.55 | macondo | hi all, i need to know exactly the amount of ram i'm using for a session, i tried 'memstat', 'top' doesn't give me that information, is there another program |
| 13:04.31 | panda | petemc, xk thanx |
| 13:04.39 | Pomax | zahod, I've been told iiimf-htt-le-canna is the works, but the old way of installing canna, kinput2, and using that instead seems the most reliable. |
| 13:04.53 | Pomax | there's a few googlable pages out there that can help you better than I can probably =) |
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| 13:05.04 | valdyn_ | macondo: free, but what info are you not getting? |
| 13:05.32 | Pomax | hmm, valdyn_, how long ish will the crc32c test take? =) |
| 13:05.53 | valdyn_ | Pomax: eh? which crc32c test? |
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| 13:06.28 | Pomax | it's stuck on "CRC32c (Castagnoli, et al) Cyclic Redundancy-Check (LIBCRC32C)" |
| 13:06.33 | macondo | valdyn_, 'free' gives me the same as top, which tells me the same information in general, no the EXACT one |
| 13:06.47 | Pomax | ah wait, no it just didn't print a prompt. |
| 13:06.49 | panda | nmap shows 80/tcp filtered http, how could i set some iptables rule to not let it show up this? |
| 13:06.49 | Pomax | nifty. |
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| 13:07.03 | Pomax | right, finished the make without errors |
| 13:07.26 | xk | great. 2.6.11 has broken dvb drivers |
| 13:07.35 | valdyn_ | Pomax: now try: make-kpkg modules-image |
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| 13:07.58 | valdyn_ | macondo: _which_ info else do you need? |
| 13:07.58 | nagual | xk: you know what they say about linux being free :) |
| 13:08.08 | Pomax | still the make error for wacom |
| 13:08.20 | valdyn_ | Pomax: ok fuck, im out of clues then |
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| 13:08.34 | xk | nagual: :) |
| 13:08.45 | xk | nagual: I'll hack it so it will compile |
| 13:08.54 | Pomax | hmm. |
| 13:09.08 | Pomax | worst comes to worst, I'll have to ditch debian then =( |
| 13:09.18 | Active2 | annoying.. people trust me without checking if i'm ok and i get root passwords on their colocated servers |
| 13:09.22 | nagual | xk: no doubt about that here. |
| 13:09.48 | thesaboteur | lol |
| 13:10.10 | Pomax | ohwell, thanks valdyn_ |
| 13:10.10 | macondo | valdyn: i want to know exactly how much memory is icewm, and 2 terminals plus xchat are using |
| 13:10.16 | xk | nagual: it's funny... it was broken (in a different way) on 2.6.10 aswell |
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| 13:11.10 | xk | ahhh... no wonder... it _still_ requires that patch. |
| 13:11.44 | nagual | heh |
| 13:11.52 | nagual | well, they cant do it all at the same time i guess |
| 13:12.15 | makx | xk: which patch? |
| 13:12.23 | xk | makx: enable-dvico-dvb-2.6.11-rc4.diff |
| 13:13.13 | makx | where does it sit? |
| 13:13.17 | valdyn_ | macondo: top shows exactly what memory the process needs _but_ processes cause X to allocate memory too ( xrestop ) |
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| 13:13.24 | xk | makx: you have a digital tv card? |
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| 13:14.11 | makx | xk: no, ahh that was the one that got disabled in 2.6.11 process. |
| 13:14.21 | macondo | valdyn_, thx |
| 13:14.34 | xk | makx: I guess the problem won't affect you ;) |
| 13:14.35 | makx | it caused some troubles afair. |
| 13:14.37 | jak | hello everybody. im having trouble setting up cpudynd on my debian system... it tells me that he has nothing to do... |
| 13:14.59 | makx | xk: no not yet. ;-) |
| 13:15.10 | makx | just curious about kernel stuff, as usual. :) |
| 13:15.15 | xk | hehehe |
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| 13:15.18 | infodroid | jak: do you have a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 13:15.43 | nagual | hm, sunet hasnt been updated yet, it hurts me to steal bw from kernel.org |
| 13:15.47 | jak | infodroid: no, but /proc/cpufreq is existing and i enabled all the necessary options in the kernel i think... |
| 13:16.03 | nagual | that machine is under enough strain as is :) |
| 13:16.08 | infodroid | jak: like exactly what did you enable in the kernel |
| 13:16.14 | xk | nagual: kernel.org has 800mbit/s to spare :) |
| 13:16.26 | nagual | hehe |
| 13:16.32 | nagual | yea, but still, its one extra process :) |
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| 13:16.51 | jak | infodroid: ive enabled nearly everything... 3 governors, the depraced interface... |
| 13:16.53 | nagual | i only get 300K/s from it at home :( |
| 13:16.54 | infodroid | jak: sounds like you didn't modprobe something |
| 13:16.57 | xk | I'd send it to you...but 128kbit/s upstream is hopeless. |
| 13:17.06 | jon273 | hm, why can't i get qmail with apt? |
| 13:17.11 | nagual | its ok, i got it now |
| 13:17.12 | nagual | thanks anyway |
| 13:17.15 | jak | do i need a "CPUFreq processor drivers" ? |
| 13:17.25 | xk | jonmasters: qmail-src? |
| 13:17.29 | xk | jon273 rather. |
| 13:17.30 | jak | ive compiled everything into the kernel |
| 13:17.38 | streuner | jon273: /msg dpkg qmail |
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| 13:17.44 | nagual | jon273: you need to add some sources in sources.list? |
| 13:17.55 | nagual | its in the non-free sources iirc |
| 13:17.56 | streuner | jon273: you can get the source from the mirrors |
| 13:17.59 | infodroid | jak: you're missing something, it depends on your processor and setup |
| 13:18.05 | xk | nagual: qmail-src is in debian... no need for external repository |
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| 13:18.11 | nagual | ok. |
| 13:18.28 | xk | I think it actually downloads the source with the package. |
| 13:18.29 | jak | infodroid: ive an ibm x40 with intel speedstep... |
| 13:18.32 | valdyn_ | jak: that or acp support |
| 13:18.36 | valdyn_ | jak: that or acpi support |
| 13:18.58 | jak | valdyn_: acpi works just fine, i can suspend and everything, so i dont think the problem is acpi... |
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| 13:19.15 | jon273 | k, how do i find which sources have qmail-src? |
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| 13:19.27 | ricky_clarkson | jon273: What does that mean? |
| 13:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | !info qmail-src woody |
| 13:19.37 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-24 (woody), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
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| 13:19.50 | ricky_clarkson | Woody has it, everything else probably does. |
| 13:20.07 | ricky_clarkson | It's in non-free if that's what you mean. |
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| 13:20.29 | maLKoc | i want to install any *.deb file |
| 13:20.31 | infodroid | jak: try lsmod | grep freq_table |
| 13:20.32 | valdyn_ | jak: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling |
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| 13:20.39 | maLKoc | but i don't do |
| 13:20.42 | maLKoc | ? |
| 13:20.43 | spiff_ | is courier-imap-ssl 3.0.8 broken? I'm getting weird errors |
| 13:20.52 | ricky_clarkson | maLKoc: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 13:21.01 | maLKoc | ok ty. |
| 13:21.03 | jak | valdyn_: that gives me something... |
| 13:21.07 | xk | hrm. |
| 13:21.16 | jak | T[0-7] with [00-87]% |
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| 13:21.30 | ddmdd | Hello, everyone. I need dpkg-source, but I don't know which package I should install. |
| 13:21.37 | jak | infodroid: freq_table is compiled into the kernel... should one try to load it as a module |
| 13:21.49 | thesaboteur | spiff_ have you installed courier-imap-ssl previously? |
| 13:21.50 | PerfDave | ddmdd: "dpkg-source"? |
| 13:21.59 | infodroid | jak: no i was trying to see what other modules there were |
| 13:22.10 | XTF | Hi. What should one do if one would like a bug to be fixed or package to be updated, but the maintainer is MIA? |
| 13:22.20 | PerfDave | !tell jon273 about qmail |
| 13:22.22 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: apt-cache search dpkg-source |
| 13:22.29 | jak | infodroid: nothing that has something to do with power management/acpi... drivers for wlan, etc |
| 13:22.31 | PerfDave | XTF: Read the Debian Reference which details the procedure |
| 13:22.39 | valdyn_ | jak: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 13:22.52 | jak | valdyn_: this file does not exist... (?) |
| 13:23.01 | ddmdd | but no such package |
| 13:23.10 | jak | valdyn_: the path exists till "cpu0" after that: nothing... |
| 13:23.10 | infodroid | valdyn_: thats the problem, methinks he's missing out a module |
| 13:23.12 | PerfDave | !wayttd ddmdd |
| 13:23.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ddmdd? |
| 13:23.15 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: search, not show. |
| 13:23.58 | spiff_ | thesaboteur: yes, I just apt-get upgrade'd |
| 13:24.04 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd ddmdd |
| 13:24.04 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, ddmdd: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 13:24.07 | jak | isnt it possible to do something with /proc/[...]/throttling? |
| 13:24.21 | ddmdd | apt-cache search dpkg-source ,, and I can only see debnest and dpkg-dev |
| 13:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: ok, apt-cache show debnest, read it. If that fits, install it. |
| 13:24.43 | valdyn_ | jak: you might have to setup cpudyn to use that, i never used cpudyn |
| 13:24.52 | jak | ddmdd: do you mean apt-get source <package> ? |
| 13:24.55 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: then apt-cache show dpkg-dev, read it. If that fits, install it. |
| 13:25.01 | ricky_clarkson | jak: There is something called dpkg-source. |
| 13:25.02 | thesaboteur | spiff_ ah ok I dunno I always built those from source. |
| 13:25.05 | PerfDave | XTF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Post_Office_Railway |
| 13:25.07 | jak | valdyn_: what do i want then? |
| 13:25.25 | ddmdd | yes, I want get a source, but, it doesn't work |
| 13:25.30 | jak | cpufreqd? |
| 13:25.33 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: Get source of what? |
| 13:25.39 | infodroid | jak: post the output of lsmod | grep speedstep |
| 13:25.53 | jak | infodroid: nothing... |
| 13:25.58 | valdyn_ | jak: try to use /proc w/ cpudyn or enable the sysfs interface for frequency scaling in your kernel config |
| 13:25.59 | MobyTurbo | ddmdd: apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get source -b foo |
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| 13:26.06 | infodroid | jak: try modprobe speedstep_lib |
| 13:26.06 | ddmdd | libsasl2 |
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| 13:26.18 | [Gbillou] | hi |
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| 13:26.34 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: What happens when you try? |
| 13:26.36 | jak | valdyn_: d you know where to find it in menuconfig? |
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| 13:26.50 | ddmdd | sh: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 13:26.55 | jak | infodroid: FATAL: Module speedstep_lib not found. |
| 13:27.01 | ricky_clarkson | ddmdd: apt-get source libsasl2 |
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| 13:27.03 | ddmdd | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x cyrus-sasl2_2.1.19-1.5.dsc' failed. |
| 13:27.05 | infodroid | jak: you're using some custom compiled kernel? |
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| 13:27.14 | Gbillou | i'd like to compile linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2 |
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| 13:27.21 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: Why? |
| 13:27.22 | XTF | PerfDave: What's that about? |
| 13:27.24 | Gbillou | but when i'm doing make modules_install |
| 13:27.24 | jak | infodroid: as i said, ive enabled all the options to be build in into the kernel. |
| 13:27.29 | Gbillou | there's some errors |
| 13:27.40 | Gbillou | <ricky_clarkson> Gbillou: Why? <- coz i'm installing my debian ^^ |
| 13:27.46 | Gbillou | and i want a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:27.48 | Gbillou | and i thought |
| 13:27.50 | Gbillou | te lastest |
| 13:27.52 | Gbillou | is better |
| 13:27.52 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-something |
| 13:27.55 | PerfDave | Gbillou: Don't do it. |
| 13:27.58 | infodroid | jak: at the top of /etc/cpudyn.conf, is there a variable to control the mechanism [acpi, pmu, ...] |
| 13:28.01 | Gbillou | 2.6.7 is avaible |
| 13:28.02 | spiff_ | thesaboteur: the error I'm getting is: couriertls: /usr/lib/courier/imapd.pem: error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line |
| 13:28.04 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: Maybe the latest is worse. |
| 13:28.09 | Gbillou | hmm |
| 13:28.30 | Gbillou | so |
| 13:28.30 | PerfDave | Gbillou: You don't need to compile kernels in Debian. And the latest is not the best, especially not with 2.6 kernels. |
| 13:28.34 | Gbillou | i'd better use the lastest .deb kernel? |
| 13:28.45 | Gbillou | official debian one i mean |
| 13:28.46 | bogon | the latest is 2.6.11 btw |
| 13:28.46 | nagual | yeye |
| 13:28.52 | jak | infodroid: hum... nothing happens, the same error |
| 13:28.52 | nagual | grsecurity doesnt patch cleanly |
| 13:28.53 | nagual | :) |
| 13:28.54 | Gbillou | yep but i need to apply patch etc.. |
| 13:28.56 | valdyn_ | jak: no idea, its not an option anymore in my 2.6.10 kernel |
| 13:29.06 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: You could do, yes. Why do you need to apply a patch? |
| 13:29.15 | infodroid | jak: at the top of /etc/cpudyn.conf, is there a variable to control the mechanism [acpi, pmu, ...] |
| 13:29.29 | Gbillou | i've not found |
| 13:29.32 | Gbillou | the full source |
| 13:29.34 | PerfDave | XTF: Whoops, mispaste. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa |
| 13:29.36 | Gbillou | for the 2.6.11 |
| 13:29.45 | TinoW | Gbillou: which patch? |
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| 13:29.58 | Gbillou | hmm |
| 13:29.59 | PerfDave | Gbillou: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:30.01 | Gbillou | i'm stupid |
| 13:30.01 | Gbillou | ^^ |
| 13:30.02 | Gbillou | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
| 13:30.02 | Gbillou | ^^ |
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| 13:30.07 | jak | infodroid: ive set it to acpi... |
| 13:30.08 | jak | no effect |
| 13:30.14 | [Gbillou] | i've not seen it |
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| 13:30.39 | PerfDave | Gbillou: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:30.44 | [Gbillou] | 3r4 |
| 13:30.47 | valdyn_ | jak: no effect what? |
| 13:30.47 | ricky_clarkson | [Gbillou]: That's not a Debian package. |
| 13:30.50 | [Gbillou] | hmm i'm not running it |
| 13:30.53 | [Gbillou] | i'm trying to install it ^^ |
| 13:30.54 | PerfDave | [Gbillou]: Then you won't have 2.6 kernels. |
| 13:30.58 | jak | valdyn_: the same error: Nothing to do |
| 13:31.04 | ricky_clarkson | [Gbillou]: So install it using a sarge ISO. |
| 13:31.12 | [Gbillou] | ha.. |
| 13:31.42 | PerfDave | [Gbillou]: You're failing to comprehend the way that Debian does things. You don't need to hand-compile stuff. Even if you did, you don't need to compile from upstream sources. And even if you did, latest is not always best. |
| 13:31.46 | panda | nmap shows 80/tcp filtered http, how could i set some iptables rule to not let it show up this? |
| 13:31.47 | jak | valdyn_: ive compiled sysfs into the kernel... |
| 13:31.56 | valdyn_ | jak: yea i know |
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| 13:31.59 | [Gbillou] | haha |
| 13:32.00 | [Gbillou] | ok |
| 13:32.00 | [Gbillou] | :) |
| 13:32.10 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: That's a whole load of ignorance. |
| 13:32.23 | valdyn_ | jak: having the cpu scaling interface _was_ once an option, in my kernel it is no more, nor is it in yours, i suppose |
| 13:32.26 | infodroid | jak: did you do like this http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/cpudyn/powersave.png |
| 13:32.32 | PerfDave | [Gbillou]: I suggest you read the Installation Manual for Debian. |
| 13:32.34 | MobyTurbo | [Gbillou]: another thing, quit flooding the channel; unless your terminal really is limited to ten characters per line |
| 13:32.36 | ricky_clarkson | [Gbillou]: Install Debian. |
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| 13:33.01 | jak | infodroid: ive read this already and enabled all the options |
| 13:33.10 | ricky_clarkson | What's that kernel building package called, I can't remember? |
| 13:33.14 | ricky_clarkson | make-kpkg or something |
| 13:33.17 | [Gbillou] | coz i need |
| 13:33.18 | TinoW | MobyTurbo: or maybe MTU too small ;) |
| 13:33.18 | [Gbillou] | to install |
| 13:33.21 | [Gbillou] | ndiswrapper |
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| 13:33.27 | [Gbillou] | in order to have my wireless card |
| 13:33.28 | [Gbillou] | working |
| 13:33.29 | ricky_clarkson | [Gbillou]: /msg dpkg enter |
| 13:33.31 | jak | hum... im wondering what i am mising... got acpi, got cpufreq-interfaces (at least make menuconfig tells me so :) |
| 13:33.33 | [Gbillou] | so i need kernel header |
| 13:33.39 | valdyn_ | jak: dmesg | grep -i speedstep ( if your cpu supports speedstep ) |
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| 13:33.47 | infodroid | jak: i recommend you consult http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~nino/Linux/cpudyn.html |
| 13:33.55 | PerfDave | [Gbillou]: Use hardware that has Linux drivers :) |
| 13:33.56 | [Gbillou] | and that's why i thought i should intall the 2.6 instead the default 2.4 kernel |
| 13:34.01 | MobyTurbo | [Gbillou]: to get 2.6 you need to install Sarge or Sid |
| 13:34.01 | [Gbillou] | haha |
| 13:34.02 | jak | valdyn_: hum.. nothing... |
| 13:34.02 | [Gbillou] | :) |
| 13:34.03 | ricky_clarkson | [Gbillou]: Stop typing in #debian. /msg dpkg enter |
| 13:34.14 | PerfDave | !tell [Gbillou] -about enter |
| 13:34.34 | xk | how do I enable 64bit option for athlon64 in the 2.6.x kernel? |
| 13:34.39 | PerfDave | !tell [Gbillou] -about leading punctuation |
| 13:34.39 | valdyn_ | jak: do it after a reboot, if your system has been up to long then its no longer in dmesg |
| 13:34.40 | jon273 | so everytime i get: couldnt find package qmail-src , apt-get install source qmail doesn't do owt either... |
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| 13:34.56 | jon273 | what aren't i doin? |
| 13:35.07 | infodroid | jak: you need the speedstep module for sure and perhaps the p4 clockmod for good measure |
| 13:35.13 | PerfDave | jon273: You have to have the non-free repositories in your sources.list because qmail is non-free. |
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| 13:35.18 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: /msg dpkg msg |
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| 13:35.24 | valdyn_ | jak: cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i speedstep <- try that |
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| 13:35.34 | petemc | jharrisonwk: you dont have non-free in your sources.list |
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| 13:35.37 | petemc | bah |
| 13:35.41 | petemc | jon273: ^^^ |
| 13:35.50 | jak | valdyn_: there is nothing in my dmesg telling me something about speedstep... |
| 13:35.54 | jharrisonwk | I dont? |
| 13:36.04 | petemc | :) |
| 13:36.07 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
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| 13:36.15 | jak | maybe that is the reason... but i was sure that my intel supports speedstep.. .there is also a bios option (which i turned on) |
| 13:36.19 | jharrisonwk | petemc: howdy |
| 13:36.26 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: ;) |
| 13:36.28 | petemc | hey, hows things? |
| 13:36.31 | infodroid | jak: maybe you need p4 clockmod? |
| 13:36.32 | xk | hrm... |
| 13:36.43 | jak | infodroid: ill give it a try... |
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| 13:36.57 | miib | Any danes in here ? |
| 13:37.04 | petemc | jharrisonwk: eating a bowl of stew atm, very tasty :) |
| 13:37.08 | ricky_clarkson | !danish |
| 13:37.08 | dpkg | danish is, like, better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, or a damn fine pastry, or #debian-dk, or #linux.dk, or and of course it's better than dutch |
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| 13:37.25 | valdyn_ | jak: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model | grep name |
| 13:37.38 | jak | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz |
| 13:38.13 | valdyn_ | jak: well that does support speedstep.. i suppose |
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| 13:38.45 | galgen_ | I got problems playing Realplayer in Debian. I think there some kind conflict of two different sound-servers that Realplayer try to use, how could I fix this? |
| 13:38.59 | revenger | xmllint: relocation error: xmllint: undefined symbol: xmlSAXDefaultVersion .. is there any workaround available? |
| 13:39.08 | zamolxes | erm swedish > finnish > norwegian > swedish .. WTF? |
| 13:39.09 | revenger | (I use debian sid) |
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| 13:39.39 | miib | I was actually looking for a dane that could agree/disagree on the translation of a word |
| 13:39.48 | djg | Hi, is there a simple command to purge all the deleted packages on one's system? |
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| 13:39.57 | spiff_ | configure: error: Cannot find either the gdbm or the db library... how can I install this? |
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| 13:40.07 | LucyMaGoose | is there anyway to reinstall everything thats installed |
| 13:40.14 | revenger | djg: apt-get clean? |
| 13:40.24 | miib | djg: something like debfoster ? |
| 13:40.25 | jak | valdyn_, infodroid thanks for your help... gotta go now... |
| 13:40.45 | djg | revenger: miib: Thanks both, I'll investigate. |
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| 13:40.52 | MobyTurbo | djg: apt-get autoclean |
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| 13:41.16 | PerfDave | revenger: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 13:41.26 | PerfDave | LucyMaGoose: Why would you want to? |
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| 13:41.28 | hever | I'm in big trouble, just installing a kernel: http://rafb.net/paste/results/IyX5it19.html Have you got a idea ? |
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| 13:42.10 | Herodes | hi... |
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| 13:42.21 | ben{} | hi Herodes |
| 13:42.38 | LucyMaGoose | PerfDave: erased several core libs |
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| 13:42.44 | LucyMaGoose | the system still seems to work |
| 13:42.47 | LucyMaGoose | apt works |
| 13:42.49 | apt | rumour has it, works is something I am |
| 13:42.53 | Herodes | anyone who uses azereus with iptables? |
| 13:42.55 | PerfDave | LucyMaGoose: Then reinstall them. |
| 13:43.05 | LucyMaGoose | I don't know what they are though |
| 13:43.09 | PerfDave | hever: Have you checked the BTS? Which version of Debian are you running? It might be worth asking #debian-amd64 about -amd64* kernel-images |
| 13:43.16 | PerfDave | LucyMaGoose: Then how do you know you deleted them? |
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| 13:43.37 | hever | PerfDave, sarge... No other kernel-image is working.... |
| 13:43.44 | ricky_clarkson | apt: works =~ s/am/do/ |
| 13:43.44 | apt | ricky_clarkson: OK |
| 13:43.45 | LucyMaGoose | lets say it was a botched wipe cmd |
| 13:43.47 | ricky_clarkson | apt works |
| 13:43.48 | apt | i guess works is something I do |
| 13:43.48 | daww | When I run "cd /usr/src/linux/; make-kpkg --initrd" I get "You are using the initrd option, that may not work, depending on your kernel version and architecture, unless you have applied the initrd cramfs patch to the kernel, or modified mkinitrd not to use cramfs by default." What should I do (running Sarge 3.1 RC2, /usr/src/linux/ is 2.6.8)? |
| 13:43.51 | superSSS | where is the explanation on updating kernel |
| 13:44.19 | TinoW | superSSS: apt-get install kernel-image...fancy-new ? |
| 13:44.19 | PerfDave | hever: Are you using the "real" Sarge sources or the Alioth ones? |
| 13:44.27 | jm_ | daww: it should be fixed in 2.6.8 |
| 13:44.29 | Gbillou | hmm so, which isos should i download, in order to get a 2.6 kernel, a ndiswrapper working? |
| 13:44.29 | PerfDave | LucyMaGoose: What, exactly, did you do? |
| 13:44.33 | hever | PerfDave, Sarge.... |
| 13:44.39 | LucyMaGoose | inside of home I did wipe -r ./.* |
| 13:44.42 | superSSS | TinoW: but if i want to change some parameters in the kernel... |
| 13:44.43 | PerfDave | hever: OK, have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:44.44 | daww | jm_, ok |
| 13:44.52 | LucyMaGoose | it traversed into all of my home dirs, and then onto lib |
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| 13:44.55 | Herodes | anyone who uses iptables? |
| 13:45.02 | Herodes | *azereus? |
| 13:45.08 | hever | PerfDave, No other kernel is working... |
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| 13:45.15 | hever | PerfDave, Yes I was there... |
| 13:45.16 | PerfDave | hever: What's that got to do with checking the BTS? |
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| 13:45.35 | hever | PerfDave, hmm.... I think nothing... |
| 13:45.36 | MobyTurbo | !lart LucyMaGoose |
| 13:45.43 | LucyMaGoose | :) |
| 13:45.54 | ricky_clarkson | Have we got *.tor on +q or something? |
| 13:46.07 | hever | PerfDave, There are no informationts at the BTS.... |
| 13:46.22 | PerfDave | hever: So file a bug already. |
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| 13:46.42 | hever | PerfDave, What do you mean ? |
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| 13:47.00 | ricky_clarkson | !ops please explain to Mo666 why he is +q in #debian (or -q him) - ricky_clarkson can't read the /bans very well |
| 13:47.00 | LucyMaGoose | so basically, I don't know what was a erased, but a lot was |
| 13:47.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please explain to Mo666 why he is +q in #debian (or -q him) - ricky_clarkson can't read the /bans very well |
| 13:47.02 | PerfDave | hever: I mean file a bug against the package that isn't installing for you. It's how things get on the BTS in the first place. |
| 13:47.07 | LucyMaGoose | so I need to reinstall everything |
| 13:47.18 | LucyMaGoose | apt-get seems to work |
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| 13:47.28 | PerfDave | LucyMaGoose: No, you can use dpkg to fidn out which packages you have instaslled which have files in /lib and reinstall them. |
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| 13:47.52 | LucyMaGoose | ok |
| 13:48.02 | LucyMaGoose | thanks PerfDave, I'll give it a shot |
| 13:48.19 | daww | After "cd /usr/src/linux/; make-kpkg --initrd" I get "make: Nothing to be done for `all'." What could be wrong? |
| 13:48.42 | PerfDave | daww: man make-kpkg |
| 13:48.45 | hever | PerfDave, I don't understand "file a big against a package"... What does this mean? At the BTS there are no informations abount my problem... |
| 13:48.52 | superSSS | where is the explanation on updating kernel in manual |
| 13:49.04 | hever | PerfDave, I think it has something to do with cpio or initrd-tools |
| 13:49.06 | jm_ | superSSS: read the FAQ |
| 13:49.08 | PerfDave | hever: It means "report a bug in the package" |
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| 13:49.46 | PerfDave | hever: You report the bug, the bug goes onto the BTS, the package maintainers (and anybody else) help you to resolve your problem. |
| 13:50.01 | hever | PerfDave, Ok... and then... My Laptop couldn't be so long online until the error is fixed... |
| 13:50.18 | PerfDave | hever: I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me. |
| 13:50.27 | MobyTurbo | hever: apt-get install reportbug |
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| 13:50.52 | infodroid | !tell Mo666 about msg me |
| 13:50.54 | xk | ricky_clarkson: 21:49 2 #debian bob2!rob@b 62419 %*!*@*.tor |
| 13:51.05 | FieldySnuts | @ops DoDo has an onjoin spam msg, it's the same one we've had the past few days. for alindeman, too. |
| 13:51.11 | xk | it's on *.tor |
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| 13:51.15 | Gbillou | what's the best way to get, a 2.6 kernel, and ndiswrapper working, without a working connection (when i'm using debian). i only want to have a woring connection to be able to download lastest package |
| 13:51.23 | FieldySnuts | maybe somebody should contact the domain that web site is hosted at and tell them, this is BS |
| 13:51.25 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Aye, but there's so many and I don't know how to grep them in irssi. |
| 13:51.26 | Rawplayer | FieldySnuts: ! instead of @ |
| 13:51.27 | Rawplayer | ;) |
| 13:51.27 | Gbillou | and actually i've 3 first 3r4 cd |
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| 13:51.36 | hever | I think I remove Debian... the whole day I can't work... because it makes problems and problems... I just make a dist-upgrade and now my system is down... |
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| 13:51.44 | FieldySnuts | Rawplayer: those bots ignore me, and apparently ravenbird (which @ triggers) isn't here, so someone else will have to do it |
| 13:51.49 | xk | ricky_clarkson: yeah... I just did /lastlog <string> in bitchx... third attempt and I got it ;) |
| 13:51.55 | PerfDave | Gbillou: 3.0 doesn't support 2.6 kernels. |
| 13:51.55 | Gbillou | i don't know if it is woody or sarge cds lol.. should be woody i think |
| 13:51.55 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Ah, good idea. |
| 13:52.08 | Gbillou | so which iso should i download? |
| 13:52.08 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: i dont think you can, but you can put them into a file though |
| 13:52.12 | max | Hi all! |
| 13:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: /lastlog can do it. |
| 13:52.22 | Rawplayer | !ops DoDo has an onjoin spam msg, it's the same one we've had the past few days. for alindeman, too. |
| 13:52.22 | Gbillou | where can i found them? |
| 13:52.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DoDo has an onjoin spam msg, it's the same one we've had the past few days. for alindeman, too. |
| 13:52.25 | nagual | yea, lastlog doesnt let you grep though |
| 13:52.27 | FieldySnuts | he should stick to #redhat, they don't take care of their chan |
| 13:52.30 | FieldySnuts | Rawplayer: thanks :) |
| 13:52.33 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: ok, i didnt quite read what you were trying to do .) |
| 13:52.33 | XTF | I was wondering, why do you sometimes get config questions when you do apt-get upgrade? Shouldn't those questions have been asked before? |
| 13:52.40 | PerfDave | Gbillou: If you want 2.6 kernels and ndiswrapper, you want Sarge (which will be 3.1). But then you get no security updates. |
| 13:52.40 | nagual | just saw the 'grep' part |
| 13:52.51 | Rawplayer | np :) |
| 13:52.53 | nagual | unless |
| 13:52.59 | xk | er |
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| 13:53.02 | xk | dodo spamming? |
| 13:53.05 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 13:53.05 | PerfDave | !d-i Gbillou |
| 13:53.06 | dpkg | Gbillou, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:53.23 | Rawplayer | u see? |
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| 13:53.36 | Rawplayer | boom! |
| 13:53.41 | max | I've a problem, can anyone help me, please? |
| 13:53.43 | Gbillou | thx |
| 13:53.49 | PerfDave | !tell max -about ask |
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| 13:54.01 | Rawplayer | :D |
| 13:54.04 | Rawplayer | thanks |
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| 13:54.39 | max | wwell, the problem is about bootsplash |
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| 13:54.57 | Rydekull | hmm, anyone have a nice guide in hand on how to set up a local apt-mirror |
| 13:55.03 | MobyTurbo | max: Debian doesn't have bootsplash |
| 13:55.08 | PerfDave | Gbillou: Your best bet is to use hardware that is supported by Linux, and hence support Linux-friendly manufacturers. |
| 13:55.21 | PerfDave | !tell Gbillou -about msg |
| 13:55.26 | max | when I install a packet, I recive this error: Setting up bootsplash (3.1-8) ... |
| 13:55.26 | max | dpkg: error processing bootsplash (--configure): |
| 13:55.27 | max | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.27 | max | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bootsplash-theme-newlinux: |
| 13:55.27 | max | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.30 | scarynetworkguy | Rydekull: http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=8384 |
| 13:55.31 | FieldySnuts | assrod. |
| 13:55.38 | Rydekull | scarynetworkguy: thank you :) |
| 13:55.47 | xk | !info tor |
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| 13:55.51 | ricky_clarkson | debhelper: I hear you discriminate against fast typists. |
| 13:55.52 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.0.9.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 750 kB, Installed size: 1864 kB |
| 13:55.55 | zinx | that's not even a debian package :x |
| 13:55.58 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: It's a practical consideration, since using ndiswrapper seems to be a PITA. |
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| 13:56.07 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: it's just wrong, as well. |
| 13:56.18 | drp | !AD-HOC |
| 13:56.32 | ricky_clarkson | !cookie PerfDave |
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| 13:56.43 | drp | !DIX |
| 13:56.47 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 13:56.49 | zinx | max: bootsplash is not a debian package |
| 13:56.55 | xk | lol @ broken factoid |
| 13:56.57 | ricky_clarkson | drp: /msg dpkg msg |
| 13:57.04 | ricky_clarkson | !perldave xk |
| 13:57.05 | dpkg | FFS, xk, it's "PerfDave", not "PerlDave". |
| 13:57.10 | max | yes you' right |
| 13:57.11 | ricky_clarkson | That's not broken. |
| 13:57.12 | drp | those are the only two I wanted to do |
| 13:57.35 | MobyTurbo | max: well, we only support Debian in #debian |
| 13:57.38 | xk | ahhhhh. |
| 13:57.48 | xk | I know why... because !cookie does it literal. |
| 13:57.51 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting bootsplash |
| 13:57.52 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support bootsplash too. Try #bootsplash or donating money to charity. |
| 13:58.05 | zinx | that is an excellent factoid |
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| 13:58.30 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo cmd: not supporting (.*?) |
| 13:58.30 | dpkg | CMD: not supporting (.*?) -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky@h-69-3-31-82.snvacaid.covad.net> at Tue Feb 1 18:47:21 2005 (28 days). |
| 13:58.36 | jm_ | isn't cookie an internal command? |
| 13:58.41 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Yes. |
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| 13:58.51 | max | but the really problem is the strange behavior of dpkg |
| 13:58.54 | xk | jm_: correct. |
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| 13:59.24 | zinx | max: that's not the problem at all. the problem lies entirely with the package |
| 13:59.31 | zinx | max: talk to whoever made it. |
| 13:59.31 | max | ok |
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| 13:59.34 | macwheel | how to rescan for scsi devices? |
| 13:59.36 | MobyTurbo | max: the real problem is how dpkg is broken by your non-Debian distro, which is off-topic here. |
| 13:59.49 | max | so I must connect to bootsplash channel isn't? |
| 13:59.59 | xk | is initrd needed for debian kernels? |
| 14:00.04 | daxxar | !not supporting string with spaces in it |
| 14:00.05 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support string with spaces in it too. Try #string with spaces in it or donating money to charity. |
| 14:00.06 | zinx | max: or whatever distribution you're using that has bootsplash |
| 14:00.07 | jm_ | xk: yes |
| 14:00.14 | daxxar | Hmkay. |
| 14:00.15 | max | thanks for all |
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| 14:01.49 | xk | jm_: where can I get initrd.img from since I haven't used initrd ever. |
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| 14:02.19 | xk | I just don't want an unbootable system when I get my athlon64 setup ;) |
| 14:02.38 | PerfDave | xk: Just use a kernel-image package, it should do everything for you. |
| 14:02.58 | Rydekull | scarynetworkguy: excellent guide :) |
| 14:03.02 | xk | PerfDave: /initrd.img doesn't seem to be installed... and it was bitching about lilo when I have grub installed. |
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| 14:03.12 | xk | well... not bitching... just a message about lilo needing initrd |
| 14:03.17 | jm_ | xk: it will be created when you isntall it |
| 14:03.30 | ricky_clarkson | initrd is one of the Dark Arts. |
| 14:03.32 | PerfDave | xk: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:03.39 | xk | "You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image", "This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd" |
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| 14:03.52 | jm_ | xk: /initrd.img is a symlink to /boot/initrd-foo |
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| 14:04.02 | xk | PerfDave: testing. |
| 14:04.14 | srid | where can I find anjuta2 debs? this doesn't seem to have one - deb http://martianrock.com/debian |
| 14:04.20 | xk | PerfDave: finally gave in and upgraded to sarge a couple of months ago |
| 14:04.23 | ircdevil | i have a chunc of text with color codes in html. any ideas to turn that into ansi colored text? |
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| 14:04.36 | Mo666 | why would "cat /etc/mtab | grep '/media/usbstick' 2>&1" give me a status code of 1? |
| 14:04.41 | jm_ | ircdevil: links ;) |
| 14:04.42 | xk | jm_: ahh.. thanks. |
| 14:04.58 | ricky_clarkson | Mo666: Because grep doesn't find /media/usbstick perhaps? |
| 14:05.25 | ircdevil | jm_ i dont get it? |
| 14:05.33 | Mo666 | ricky_clarkson, I expected it would just not give any output then |
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| 14:05.45 | vvlaw | if i set up the debian...which CD i need? |
| 14:05.50 | ricky_clarkson | Mo666: That's right, but it has a return code as well. |
| 14:05.52 | jm_ | ircdevil: links can show the colours |
| 14:05.56 | Mo666 | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
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| 14:06.08 | Araldi1 | What is the command for showing the amount of used harddisk space?? |
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| 14:06.27 | ricky_clarkson | Mo666: man grep - Normally, exit status is 0 if selected lines are found and 1 otherwise. |
| 14:06.28 | sussudio | Araldi1: df |
| 14:06.29 | WageSlave | Araldi1: try df |
| 14:06.30 | DaveAlexander | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.30 | ircdevil | jm_ what version of links is that? and is it working with <FONT COLOR=whatever> ? |
| 14:06.32 | Araldi1 | thx |
| 14:06.35 | PerfDave | xk: Did you dist-upgrade from Woody or reinstall with Sarge? |
| 14:06.52 | jm_ | ircdevil: can I download this and test? |
| 14:06.54 | xk | PerfDave: I think I've used my system since.... slink :) |
| 14:07.06 | ircdevil | jm_ one moment |
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| 14:07.12 | PerfDave | xk: You may need to change your /etc/kernel-image.conf to tell it to use grub instead of lilo for kernel-image packages. |
| 14:07.49 | ircdevil | jm_ http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/henriks_alignment_2.aln.html |
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| 14:08.49 | xk | do_symlinks = No |
| 14:08.52 | xk | ahh... I have that aswell. |
| 14:09.17 | xk | why does apache now require apache2-utils? |
| 14:09.51 | daww | How do I add "--initrd" in "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image"? |
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| 14:10.10 | jm_ | ircdevil: nope, it doesn't work like you would expect it |
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| 14:10.21 | daww | "make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd -rev custom.1 kernel_image" didn't work |
| 14:10.52 | jm_ | daww: tried reading the man page? |
| 14:11.33 | xk | daww: try --revision=... |
| 14:11.35 | daww | jm_, yes, but I'm really not sure where to plase it |
| 14:11.37 | panda | how to know what daemon listening on some port? |
| 14:11.55 | nagual | xk: yea, i noticed that too just did a dist-upgrade. it also need caudium if i understood it correctly. |
| 14:11.57 | jm_ | panda: nestat/lsof/.. |
| 14:12.12 | WageSlave | heh netstat even |
| 14:12.13 | jm_ | daww: why are you building a kernel that requires initrd anyway? |
| 14:12.24 | ircdevil | jm_ stuff needs serious script foo? or some application that can export text with ansi colors |
| 14:12.44 | daww | jm_, I get kernel panic when I boot the compiled kernel |
| 14:12.58 | panda | jm_, what's the whole command? |
| 14:13.02 | jm_ | daww: configure and build it correctly |
| 14:13.18 | daww | jm_, I guess I need initrd.img when I have configured modules |
| 14:13.19 | jm_ | ircdevil: well something needs to generate the colours first |
| 14:13.26 | xk | is grub going to work on an amd/athlon64 system? |
| 14:13.35 | jm_ | daww: yes, so build the stuff that you need for booting and mounting rootfs static |
| 14:13.46 | jm_ | panda: man netstat, see what -a and -p do |
| 14:14.02 | ircdevil | jm_ replace the html font color tags with the appropriate ansi tags ... |
| 14:14.10 | ircdevil | hell of a job |
| 14:14.23 | WageSlave | thats not too tough |
| 14:14.41 | jm_ | ircdevil: it won't work for your example because it uses shades of gray |
| 14:14.57 | daww | jm_, So I don't ever need initrd then |
| 14:14.58 | WageSlave | I did a quake output name colorizer once, that was tough... cause of all the special charaters. |
| 14:15.17 | jm_ | daww: well there are cases when you do, but not for simple setups |
| 14:15.34 | ircdevil | jm_ i actually want bold for the black and normal for the shaded, if possible |
| 14:15.54 | daww | jm_, fine |
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| 14:16.19 | jm_ | ircdevil: that should be a matter of search and replace |
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| 14:18.03 | uraclea_laptop | hello |
| 14:18.03 | alexloves | hii!! someone knows how to sync my hard disk without cache ??? thnx |
| 14:18.29 | nevyn | without cache? |
| 14:18.33 | xk | !depends apache-common |
| 14:18.33 | alexloves | yeah |
| 14:18.34 | dpkg | apache-common: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), mime-support, debconf (>= 1.4.22), apache2-utils, sed (>= 4.0.5-1), ucf (>= 1.06), lynx | www-browser |
| 14:18.35 | daww | jm_, "stuff that you need for booting and mounting rootfs static" what could that be if I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-clock(0,0)", The kernel doesn't find my IDE drive |
| 14:18.35 | nevyn | type sync |
| 14:18.36 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: sync |
| 14:18.51 | xk | why does apache-common (1.3.x) now depend on apache2-utils? |
| 14:18.54 | ricky_clarkson | sync is annoying because you can't cancel it. |
| 14:18.55 | nevyn | but that doesn't include the on-disk cache |
| 14:19.03 | jm_ | daww: hardware drivers (disk), file system support |
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| 14:19.13 | alexloves | ext2 |
| 14:19.16 | nevyn | ricky_clarkson: it also no longer garuntee's that the data has ACTUALLY hit the disk |
| 14:19.24 | jm_ | daww: and the fact that it's trying to mount wrong device (0,0) |
| 14:19.26 | alexloves | i use ext2 |
| 14:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | nevyn: So now it guarantees that the shit hits the fan? ;) |
| 14:19.36 | MaCa | how can i force apt-get to use HTTP 1.0 instead of http 1.1? Some reverse proxies (ibiblio) seems to have issues with http 1.1 requests... |
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| 14:19.42 | alexloves | i try to type in fstab noatime |
| 14:19.43 | jm_ | daww: pass appropriate root= option to the kernel if it was build elsewhere, or use rdev |
| 14:19.47 | ricky_clarkson | nevyn: As of what kernel version? |
| 14:20.09 | nevyn | ricky_clarkson: it can't garuntee the on-disk cache is flushed. |
| 14:20.23 | nevyn | when that's 8mb that's non-trivial |
| 14:20.40 | alexloves | i use my debian like router |
| 14:20.43 | ricky_clarkson | nevyn: Because the drives don't flush when asked to? |
| 14:21.04 | jm_ | MaCa: not sure if you can, at least /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz doesn't list anything |
| 14:21.16 | nevyn | there's an ata command to shut the drive down which flushes that cache. |
| 14:21.24 | alexloves | and sometimes the people turn off the router without poweroff |
| 14:21.26 | nevyn | so possibly the block layer can do it. |
| 14:21.30 | jm_ | MaCa: one way would be to let apt-get use a local proxy that does only http 1.0 |
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| 14:22.14 | daww | jm_, the running kernel use (hd0,0) |
| 14:22.15 | alexloves | poweroff without shutdown apropialy |
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| 14:22.40 | jm_ | daww: that's GRUB's notation, not kernel's |
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| 14:23.08 | alexloves | when the machine starts it make fskext2 |
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| 14:23.12 | daww | jm_, what file should I check then? |
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| 14:23.34 | jm_ | daww: specify the right root device for your kernel in boot loader's config file |
| 14:23.40 | MaCa | jm_: Well that would sorta of be a problem for me: I'd have to settup different proxies for when I'm at home or at the campus.. Ant it's not just me: apt-proxy is not very found of http 1.1 request either |
| 14:23.44 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: Set up your router, then make it mount the partitions read-only. |
| 14:23.56 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: That way when you power off you won't have that issue. |
| 14:24.05 | jm_ | MaCa: apt-proxy? I use squid for apt-get requests |
| 14:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: That might be a problem for /var and /tmp depending on what you need to run. |
| 14:24.19 | alexloves | thanks ricky |
| 14:24.33 | alexloves | i'll use another partition |
| 14:24.37 | alexloves | for tmp and var |
| 14:24.46 | nevyn | jm_: that's a bad idea for a bunch of reasons. |
| 14:24.50 | alexloves | and the rest read-only |
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| 14:24.55 | alexloves | < ricky_clarkson> alexloves: Set up your router, then make it mount the partitions read-only. |
| 14:24.58 | alexloves | 15:23 < ricky_clarkson> alexloves: That way when you power off you won't have that issue. |
| 14:25.01 | settledown | when i type startx, it says command not found |
| 14:25.01 | alexloves | 15:24 < jm_> MaCa: apt-proxy? I use squid for apt-get requests |
| 14:25.04 | alexloves | 15:24 < ricky_clarkson> alexloves: That might be a problem for /var and /tmp depending on what you |
| 14:25.05 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: Stop. |
| 14:25.07 | alexloves | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.10 | jm_ | nevyn: heh if only I'd care |
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| 14:25.28 | nevyn | jm_: mainly because squid throws large things out quite quickly |
| 14:25.28 | sdlinuxgeek-work | Later everyone gotta finish up at work then get home and study... l8r |
| 14:25.32 | alexloves | sorry |
| 14:25.47 | ricky_clarkson | alexloves: de nada |
| 14:25.59 | alexloves | ;-) |
| 14:26.22 | jm_ | nevyn: ahh yes, I know - but there aren't very few big packages that I download often, it's just something to help reduce outbound traffic a bit for me and my bro who use Debian at work |
| 14:26.34 | daww | jm_, and that would be /boot/grub/menu.lst since I use GrUB, Running kernel "root (hd0,0), kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-speakup root=/dev/hdb1 ro" compiled kernel (2.6.8) "root (hd0,0), kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/hdb1 ro" |
| 14:26.39 | settledown | i think i muffed the install, is there a way to rerun the install so it can catch what i missed... |
| 14:26.47 | daww | jm_, That should work but it doesn't |
| 14:26.59 | nevyn | jm_: locales changes often and is 3+mb |
| 14:27.08 | jm_ | nevyn: I don't use sid |
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| 14:27.50 | ricky_clarkson | eminem uses sid. |
| 14:27.53 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 14:27.53 | dpkg | hmm... eminem is < za> I just got back from the eminem gig at Milton Keynes... it rained... constantly.. and he sucked ass. a debian user ("try 'cid [sid] and get fucked up worse than my life is" - My Name Is) |
| 14:27.57 | Th3 | hi |
| 14:28.04 | ricky_clarkson | hola |
| 14:28.10 | Th3 | hola |
| 14:28.14 | Th3 | dnd eres? |
| 14:28.15 | FieldySnuts | "muffed" heh |
| 14:28.17 | daww | jm_, Ext3 support is compiled as module while Ext2 is compiled as a driver in the kernel, do you think that could be the problem, I use Ext3 on my linux boot partition |
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| 14:28.29 | ricky_clarkson | Th3: Manchester. |
| 14:28.41 | jm_ | daww: yes, but it's a bit different if you use initrd, in that case it would tyr to mount 1,0 (ramdisk) |
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| 14:28.47 | asg | ricky_clarkson: spanish l33t? |
| 14:29.07 | daww | jm_, But i'm not using initrd yet |
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| 14:29.15 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I'm guessing so. |
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| 14:29.28 | asg | ricky_clarkson: interesting |
| 14:29.37 | ricky_clarkson | asg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/2000/20002.shtml |
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| 14:30.07 | daww | jm_, so menu.lst should be correct |
| 14:30.09 | jm_ | daww: ok, in that case passing root= is OK as long as kernel knows how to access the device at the time |
| 14:30.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
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| 14:31.05 | daww | jm_, so again: Ext3 support is compiled as module while Ext2 is compiled as a driver in the kernel, do you think that could be the problem, I use Ext3 on my linux boot partition |
| 14:31.17 | asg | ricky_clarkson: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/7293/?cpg=wnrdf (for the gamer who can't /away taking a piss) |
| 14:31.30 | NarCoT | Hi, I installed Samba & Swat. Yet, I can figure how to share files with my other win PC. anyone knows how or knows a good help file/site ? |
| 14:31.37 | settledown | i am getting better dload speeds today |
| 14:31.42 | asg | NarCoT: did you ask #samba yet? |
| 14:31.46 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Just for you: http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/2000/200011.shtml |
| 14:31.48 | settledown | 30kB/s yesterday, 300 today |
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| 14:31.58 | helmi | Hi I'm new. I have a question about NVIDIA graphics card: what is the best driver for it. I am using debian testing. |
| 14:32.02 | NarCoT | ricky_clarkson: no, didn't know there is one... thanks |
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| 14:32.25 | stew | helmi: do you want 3d accelleration or are you just going to use 2d? |
| 14:32.27 | jm_ | daww: well you can mount ext3 as ext2 provided it's clean, but still, the fact that it tries to mount device 0,0 is totally wrong |
| 14:32.29 | asg | helmi: the standard X driver works well for 2D applications with most cards. Otherwise, /msg dpkg nvidia debs && /msg dpkg faq |
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| 14:32.32 | helmi | 2d is fine |
| 14:32.44 | helmi | thank asg |
| 14:32.48 | stew | helmi: use the free "nv" driver then |
| 14:32.49 | helmi | thanks stew |
| 14:32.51 | helmi | ok |
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| 14:32.57 | jeanmi_ | how can I look for what packages contain a given filename ? |
| 14:33.07 | jm_ | jeanmi_: read the FAQ |
| 14:33.17 | xk | jeanmi_: /msg dpkg find <file> |
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| 14:33.26 | jeanmi_ | dpkg ??? not apt ? |
| 14:33.26 | xk | if you don't have the package installed. |
| 14:33.41 | xk | if you do have the package installed, dpkg --search <file> |
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| 14:33.49 | jeanmi_ | thanks works |
| 14:34.13 | jm_ | you can also use Debian tools if it's not installed, it's all in the FAQ :) |
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| 14:34.42 | jeanmi_ | ok thanks |
| 14:34.49 | nock | just did a net install of testing on my server, but I can't seem to get my printer to work (it did under RH) - any good pointers to documentation on setting up printing under debian? |
| 14:35.10 | jm_ | nock: it's basically the same |
| 14:35.28 | ricky_clarkson | jeanmi_: apt and dpkg are the same (bots), but dpkg is the current favourite. |
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| 14:36.13 | ricky_clarkson | jeanmi_: also, apt-file search <file> |
| 14:36.24 | ricky_clarkson | nock: /msg dpkg cups |
| 14:36.38 | nock | jm_: I was using an ancient version of RH, using lpr and sharing via samba - I've never touched cups |
| 14:36.57 | WageSlave | then its exactly the same |
| 14:37.04 | daww | jm_, is it all right with you if I paste some line from menu.lst? My ISP doesn't allow me to use my webbrowser for the moment |
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| 14:37.10 | jm_ | nock: lpr only sends the job to spooler |
| 14:37.22 | Vint_cerf | hello |
| 14:37.38 | Vint_cerf | someone live in canada? |
| 14:37.46 | asg | Vint_cerf: many Canadians do I expect |
| 14:37.47 | jm_ | daww: people doen't like if you paste here, use #flood |
| 14:37.48 | PerfDave | Vint_cerf: Nope, not even the people who live there. |
| 14:37.49 | WageSlave | lol |
| 14:37.51 | Ronin | many folks do Vint_cerf |
| 14:37.55 | ricky_clarkson | NarCoT: I think you thanked me instead of asg. |
| 14:38.16 | xk | eh? |
| 14:38.37 | asg | ricky_clarkson: probably no need, #samba is always asleep or having a raunchy party |
| 14:38.40 | daww | jm_, I mean I would paste to you |
| 14:38.47 | ricky_clarkson | I heard some people live in Canada, but none of those people live around here. |
| 14:38.48 | jm_ | daww: go to #flood, paste it there |
| 14:39.10 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: My old landlady in Manchester was from Toronto. |
| 14:39.47 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Did she live in Toronto while she lived in Manchester though? ;) |
| 14:39.54 | xk | ;) |
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| 14:39.59 | Vint_cerf | asg do you know enteprise shipping packages international??? |
| 14:40.04 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: She lived in Toronto while she owned my flat in Manchester... |
| 14:40.11 | Vint_cerf | asg from Canada |
| 14:40.29 | ricky_clarkson | You can fly from Manchester to Toronto for <tiny><itsy><bitsy>from</bitsy></itsy></tiny> 95 quid. |
| 14:40.47 | asg | Vint_cerf: I'm sorry, I don't. They probably have a website though. |
| 14:40.53 | ricky_clarkson | It gets ridiculous, the fonts on adverts. |
| 14:41.01 | daww | jm_, ok, now it's pasted in #flood |
| 14:41.03 | Vint_cerf | asg ok |
| 14:41.12 | jm_ | daww: can't be, I haven't seen anything |
| 14:41.24 | ricky_clarkson | Fly from Manchester to Milan, £60. The 'FROM' is on the middle 'rung' of the £ sign. |
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| 14:41.43 | ircdevil | how can i generate a high resolution image of a html document? |
| 14:41.50 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: man import |
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| 14:42.04 | neo10-CZE | hello :)- |
| 14:42.17 | neo10-CZE | How can I install .gz file in Linux system please? |
| 14:42.23 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: no more than 72 dpi - right? |
| 14:42.28 | ricky_clarkson | neo10-CZE: You unzip it. |
| 14:42.36 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Depends on the size of your monitor. |
| 14:42.51 | jm_ | ircdevil: tried html2ps? |
| 14:43.02 | Coke | neo10-CZE: gz files aren't installed. |
| 14:43.23 | Coke | neo10-CZE: it usualy means the file is packed using GNU Zip. |
| 14:43.31 | ircdevil | jm_ i tried htmltoedit -> that went really bad |
| 14:44.00 | Coke | neo10-CZE: and if it has the .tar before .gz that means that it is a file archive (Tape ARchive) that contains a lot of files and/or directories. |
| 14:44.01 | ircdevil | jm_ how is html2ps different from printing to a ps file with galeon? |
| 14:44.05 | nock | ok, so I've got cups installed and working, and I've gone to http://localhost:631/admin and I've put my wang in there - but it still won't print! |
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| 14:44.36 | Coke | nock: no, you don't say. |
| 14:44.40 | MaCa | ircdevil: rendering habilities? |
| 14:44.47 | nock | I get a "Printer not connected" error |
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| 14:45.02 | sml | nock: better than "lp is on fire" |
| 14:45.06 | nock | indeed |
| 14:45.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: there's also gnuhtml2latex |
| 14:45.20 | Coke | nock: yes, that can probably occur if your printer isn't connected or configured properly |
| 14:45.22 | jm_ | ircdevil: I wouldn't know |
| 14:45.24 | NarCoT | How do I use 'dpkg' for installing .deb pkgs the right way +configuring ? |
| 14:45.34 | xk | NarCoT: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 14:45.53 | NarCoT | xk: That's all ? |
| 14:46.03 | Coke | NarCoT: why don't you use apt-get instead? |
| 14:46.06 | xk | well... if you have the ".deb" file in question yes. |
| 14:46.10 | xk | otherwise, apt-get install <pkg> |
| 14:46.14 | NarCoT | xk: I thought I should add like '--configure' or somthing.. |
| 14:46.14 | nock | Coke: well, it's definitely connected, and definitely worked |
| 14:46.16 | daww | jm_, Ok, now it's there |
| 14:46.27 | Coke | nock: so that leaves misconfiguration. excellent! |
| 14:46.40 | NarCoT | Coke: But I want to install skype... and it's not in there |
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| 14:46.46 | Coke | nock: now all you have to do is read the CUPS documentation on how to configure it and you'll be printing in no time. |
| 14:47.10 | nock | hmm, what package is the command lpinfo in? |
| 14:47.13 | PerfDave | Skype isn't in Debian because it's non-Free. Skype provide their own .debs. |
| 14:47.25 | nock | and is there a common way to find that sort of thing out? |
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| 14:47.28 | jm_ | nock: read the FAQ |
| 14:47.36 | Coke | NarCoT: yes, that's another case. that means dpkg is needed. I, however, refrain from all packages distributed in half-arsed ways. If they don't have a repository setup I don't use it. |
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| 14:47.53 | nock | reading an FAQ: it tells me nothing about what package lpinfo is in |
| 14:47.57 | jm_ | nock: yes, the FAQ will explain you how to find the package with given file |
| 14:47.58 | nock | it just assumes I have it |
| 14:48.01 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 14:48.05 | RedPenguin | I currently have a NIC in one of my Debs and I want to know what is the way so I can switch it with a new NIC making that eth0 and making the old one eth1 |
| 14:48.31 | Coke | nock: that could depend on the lpr implementation you want to use |
| 14:48.33 | helmi | How come my mic isn't working with skype? It's working on Win98 all right. How can I test it? |
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| 14:48.48 | jm_ | nock: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:48.48 | Coke | What the heck is this Skype? |
| 14:48.56 | jm_ | right under PackageManagement |
| 14:49.02 | daww | jm_, what more entires are you talking about |
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| 14:49.11 | helmi | skype is internet phone |
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| 14:49.24 | PerfDave | Coke: It's a non-free VOIP thing which routes everything through centralised servers to avoid NAT issues. It's a hack, and it uses all kinds of propriatery malarkey. |
| 14:49.36 | Coke | Quit using it already! |
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| 14:49.45 | NarCoT | When I try downloading from Konqueror I can't choose a destination or file name... is there a way to change it? |
| 14:49.53 | PerfDave | Coke: It's for people who can't handle running Gatekeeper on their firewall, or forwarding half a dozen ports. |
| 14:49.57 | helmi | Is there a better thing than skype? |
| 14:50.11 | PerfDave | helmi: http://www.openh323.org/ |
| 14:50.16 | helmi | thanks |
| 14:50.20 | jm_ | daww: those GRUB settings look fine, it should attempt to mount device 3,65 |
| 14:50.26 | Coke | helmi: I don't know about better, but I have used free solutions for video and voice chats |
| 14:50.26 | bvs | PerfDave, or for people with no power over their firewall? :) |
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| 14:50.51 | Coke | PerfDave: why would you need to do all that? |
| 14:51.03 | Coke | PerfDave: the forwarding, that is |
| 14:51.10 | helmi | like what, coke? |
| 14:51.17 | PerfDave | Coke: If you're behind NAT, you can't communicate with other people behind NAT without port forwarding. |
| 14:51.26 | Coke | helmi: I have used p2p chattnig using gnome-meeting |
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| 14:51.27 | daww | jm_, should I change them or just let them be? |
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| 14:51.59 | psychologizer | erm in which package is the "man" command contained? |
| 14:52.00 | helmi | thanks, you guys. |
| 14:52.01 | Coke | PerfDave: I have a NAT and I've used gnome-meeting |
| 14:52.12 | jm_ | daww: well they look OK to me - sorry I have to go now, hopefulyl someone else can help you with it |
| 14:52.21 | thenuke | I cant find gdesklets configs anywhere! and it does not start anymore because of broken desklets |
| 14:52.21 | psychologizer | just figured out i've got the latest man pages installed and no "man" command to view them with |
| 14:52.24 | thenuke | "gDesklets uses the following files and directories for storing data. ..~/.gdesklets/Displays/ Contains desklets installed by the user.." and there is nothing like that on my PC :) |
| 14:52.25 | PerfDave | Coke: Without portforwarding? Have you got some crazy misnomered "DMZ" thing set up? |
| 14:52.26 | xk | dpkg find bin/man$ |
| 14:52.26 | idnar | PerfDave: whoever designed H.232 was smoking liberal amounts of crack |
| 14:52.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/man' returned no results. |
| 14:52.41 | PerfDave | idnar: No, they were just not planning on running it over IP. |
| 14:52.53 | xk | bah @ symlinks. |
| 14:52.59 | ricky_clarkson | !dpkg find /usr/bin/man |
| 14:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | Oops, well, it'll still work. |
| 14:53.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/man' returned no results. |
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| 14:53.11 | xk | ricky_clarkson: it's a symlink. |
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| 14:53.20 | xk | dpkg find man-db/man$ |
| 14:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | Arse. |
| 14:53.25 | Space_NL | ow, ze is al weg .. hmm |
| 14:53.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'man-db/man' (1): (/usr/lib/man-db/man) in doc/man-db. |
| 14:53.27 | ricky_clarkson | Mandy B? |
| 14:53.27 | Space_NL | wrong chan |
| 14:53.36 | Coke | PerfDave: wait, I don't have NAT. |
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| 14:53.42 | PerfDave | Coke: :) |
| 14:54.03 | subopt | Does the new installer for sarge let you choose a 2.6 kernel? Or are you stuck with 2.4 still? |
| 14:54.03 | Coke | PerfDave: I don't know what I was thinking. I only have one machine and it has a public IP. |
| 14:54.09 | daww | Do I need initrd if I've compiled Ext3 support as a module for the kernel to boot a ext3 partition with it? |
| 14:54.29 | xk | daww: you don't need initrd if you compile your own kernel. |
| 14:54.46 | xk | daww: why not compile ext3 into the kernel? |
| 14:54.56 | PerfDave | subopt: Read the Installation Manual. |
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| 14:55.04 | Coke | PerfDave: and you only need the port forwarding if you want to be able to take incomming calls. :) |
| 14:55.13 | nevyn | daww: build support for your root filesystem and your root device into the kernel or use an initrd. |
| 14:55.16 | nevyn | whichever |
| 14:55.28 | Coke | PerfDave: in either case, it sounds way better to port forward than to use some man-in-the-middle solution. |
| 14:55.30 | jharrisonwk | what is the best way to run newer software on woody without compiling it from source? |
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| 14:55.44 | nevyn | jharrisonwk: use sarge :) |
| 14:55.46 | daww | xk, I have, I ment that ext3 is a module and not a driver, is that a problem if I don't use initrd |
| 14:55.58 | nevyn | jharrisonwk: there's also a bunch of backports ok apt-get.org |
| 14:56.20 | Coke | daww: the module is a driver, just that it is a module (loadable kernel object) and not statically compiled into the kernel. |
| 14:56.26 | psychologizer | hm, that man-db did its job well |
| 14:56.27 | psychologizer | 10x |
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| 14:57.52 | PerfDave | jharrisonwk: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 14:57.55 | Coke | jharrisonwk: testing (sarge) is almost stable-ready. it's solid and has more recent updates than woody, which is natural since woody is frozen. |
| 14:58.07 | PerfDave | OTOH, Sarge doesn't have security updates. |
| 14:58.11 | jharrisonwk | Coke: yes im very aware of that |
| 14:58.26 | PerfDave | Coke: Or run Gatekeeper which does the port-forwarding dynamically and automatically (and allows you to run multiple H323 clients behind one NAT) |
| 14:58.32 | Coke | True. And if someone slips in a bug/trojan into the sarge code it will take a while before the fix in sid reaches sarge. |
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| 14:58.55 | Coke | and that sucks |
| 14:58.58 | sml | Coke: trojan/code ? wtf! |
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| 14:59.05 | daww | Coke, ok, im new so I have my own language =), anyway do I need initrd if ext3 support is a module in the compiled kernel? |
| 14:59.10 | ircdevil | monospace fonts? |
| 14:59.23 | jharrisonwk | daww: yes |
| 14:59.46 | Coke | daww: yes. but why not make ext3 static in your kernel if your root filesystem is ext3? that way you can skip the initrd. |
| 14:59.58 | nock | ok, so I've gone through the cups mini-mini-howto to no avail, I've searched newsgroups and forums with the answers either not being in english or ending in "don't know the solution for this one..." - I've even searched the cups web site and found nothing - is there any place left to go for help? |
| 15:00.04 | ggl_6 | hi folks, where can I get a complete reference of C++ functions available.. reference posix stuff + linux native stuff |
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| 15:00.24 | Coke | nock: yes, you can always do it the right way: learn how CUPS works and figure it out. |
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| 15:00.47 | jahi | Hi, can someone help me with pmidi and alsa? |
| 15:00.51 | jharrisonwk | PerfDave: http://www.backports.org/not_finished_yet.html <- whats the deal? |
| 15:01.11 | xam | ggl: there is hardly any or no c++ in posix or in the linux kernel |
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| 15:01.18 | Coke | nock: I mean, we could swing wild guesses at you like "is your printer supported", "have you specified the correct driver", etc, but we just pressume you have already checked those things already. |
| 15:01.21 | daww | Coke, Ok, good! So in xconfig that would be [v]Ext3 journaling file system support (not *Ext3 journaling file system support)? |
| 15:01.28 | PerfDave | jharrisonwk: No idea, I've never seen that page before. |
| 15:01.38 | nock | Coke: since it worked before, under RH, I assme there's no problem there |
| 15:01.43 | Coke | daww: eh, what? |
| 15:01.49 | nock | and the parallel port is being detected, etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:01.53 | Coke | daww: you set it to be included, but not as module. |
| 15:02.01 | jharrisonwk | PerfDave: I would like some documentation about backporting. Do you know of any place before I ask google? |
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| 15:02.43 | PerfDave | jharrisonwk: The APT HOWTO. |
| 15:02.50 | Coke | PerfDave: you mean to do it the easy way? :) I think not. And besides, you want to use the Debian packages, not some lousy non-free crap. |
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| 15:03.10 | jharrisonwk | PerfDave: ok thanks |
| 15:03.13 | PerfDave | Coke: Gatekeeper *is* a Debian package. |
| 15:03.24 | daww | Coke, just to make sure for the last time, in .config: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y not CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m, right? |
| 15:03.25 | PerfDave | Coke: it's Skype that's the lousy non-free crap. |
| 15:03.37 | Coke | PerfDave: oh, I misread. |
| 15:03.44 | Coke | PerfDave: It's OK. I'm on crack. |
| 15:03.55 | Coke | daww: right. |
| 15:03.57 | ircdevil | when i look very closely on the fonts i have in galeon, (make a screenshot and enlarge) it is clear that galeon misrenders. what can be the cause of this? |
| 15:04.00 | petemc | skype may be non free, but its hardly lousy, it works quite well |
| 15:04.01 | daww | Coke, great |
| 15:04.29 | Coke | petemc: all non-free software is lousy. I hardly ever use anything that doesn't apt-get install itself. |
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| 15:04.47 | PerfDave | petemc: It's a hack. It might work for the end user, but it's inelegant :) |
| 15:05.11 | nock | hmm, found more info at linuxprinting.org - but dear god this much work shouldn't be required just to print... |
| 15:05.13 | petemc | Coke: i can give you sources for skype :) |
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| 15:05.55 | PerfDave | petemc: You've got the source code for Skype? |
| 15:06.09 | hexxeh | Coke, mount /media/dvd && sh /media/dvd/linux-installer.sh && ut2004 |
| 15:06.09 | swatikiss | how do you get lcdproc to do useful things like display memory usage, etc ? |
| 15:06.15 | petemc | PerfDave: yeah, guy i know packages it |
| 15:06.27 | petemc | PerfDave: not the, a :) |
| 15:06.29 | Coke | petemc: naw, if it doesn't apt-get install itself with a nice, working debconf I'll skip it. You know... I'm a lazy and stupid fuck. |
| 15:06.52 | Coke | hexxeh: how did you know that I have ut2004? |
| 15:07.11 | Coke | Caught me with my hand in the cookie jar |
| 15:07.14 | hexxeh | Coke, well, is there anything else without a .deb worth using? |
| 15:07.16 | mcmehl | Hy @all i have a new HP Proliant ML150 G2 and want to install Debian but seems that the SATA Raid (Adaptec AIC8130) isn't supported yet. At HP-Page there are only Driver-Disk-Images for Suse und RedHat Enterprise Linux. What can i do? |
| 15:07.35 | Coke | hexxeh: yes, I'm still waiting for a Q3 binary. :) |
| 15:07.43 | Coke | other than that, no. |
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| 15:08.30 | RedPenguin | I just want to make sure I have this write |
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| 15:08.56 | Coke | mcmehl: don't buy unsupported hw |
| 15:09.02 | RedPenguin | I read how to compile a kernel and stuff, so this means that now I can basically just compile a kernel when I need and make it usuable on basically more then one Deb machine? |
| 15:09.26 | RedPenguin | I believe so, I just want to make sure |
| 15:09.32 | Noid | what is the debian way of setting up an infrared remote for a tv card? lirc? another thing? |
| 15:10.01 | Coke | RedPenguin: the kernel will be architecture bound |
| 15:10.05 | resiak | RedPenguin: You know how to use make-kpkg? The other question is why? |
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| 15:10.44 | PerfDave | mcmehl: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? It may be supported in a more modern version. |
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| 15:10.57 | vahid | hello |
| 15:11.37 | vahid | i install debian from network |
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| 15:11.54 | resiak | !tell vahid about enter |
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| 15:13.18 | RedPenguin | Coke, well yeah, I meant that |
| 15:13.22 | nomed^ | it seems it's not possible to optimize packages compilation for i686 ... is it true? |
| 15:13.33 | vahid | i install debian from network |
| 15:13.41 | vahid | and i install x |
| 15:13.43 | vahid | and KDE |
| 15:13.46 | resiak | nomed^: Well, unless you recomile them, no. |
| 15:13.47 | resiak | !tell vahid about enter |
| 15:13.52 | vahid | but how i can start X ? |
| 15:13.57 | RedPenguin | I'm not looking to make a .deb for 450 machines |
| 15:13.59 | resiak | !faq vahid |
| 15:14.02 | dpkg | vahid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:14.06 | RedPenguin | Just curious since I have two fairly similar machines |
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| 15:14.28 | De_Mon | calc 8*2 |
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| 15:14.39 | takatumi | RedPenguin: why not use debian packaged kernel-images? |
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| 15:14.39 | nomed^ | resiak: i'm trying to use apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage ... but dpkg-architecture always says i386 |
| 15:14.43 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 15:14.51 | solemnwarning | i need to edit the partitoning on my internal server |
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| 15:14.58 | solemnwarning | if i move swap from /dev/hda3 to /dev/hda2 and change the fstab file swap to /dev/hda2 will it work? |
| 15:15.17 | RedPenguin | takatumi, well the reason I wanted to compile my own is because no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get ftape working with my Iomega Ditto 2GB Parallel Tape Drive |
| 15:15.19 | resiak | !tell nomed^ about apt-build |
| 15:15.29 | RedPenguin | When I got the ftape sources, it said I needed kernel sources, so here I am |
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| 15:16.13 | resiak | nomed^: But are you planning to recompile everything? |
| 15:16.13 | solemnwarning | im guessing no1 knows? |
| 15:16.20 | takatumi | RedPenguin: try getting the kernel-headers, or try module-assistant |
| 15:16.23 | resiak | solemnwarning: Why wouldn't it? |
| 15:16.32 | solemnwarning | justcheckig |
| 15:16.32 | nomed^ | resiak: step by step ... |
| 15:16.40 | resiak | nomed^: Go use Gentoo... |
| 15:16.45 | resiak | nomed^: Dare I ask why? |
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| 15:16.47 | solemnwarning | wasnt sure if there was another file i had to edit |
| 15:16.51 | nomed^ | nooo |
| 15:17.06 | RedPenguin | And besides, I never compiled a Debian kernel but I did do Gentoo kernels, so I figured, heck I might as well try it |
| 15:17.51 | Zvpun | RedPenguin: I like make-kpkg. I think it is cool once you are used to it. |
| 15:18.17 | takatumi | RedPenguin: with kernel-package the kernel you compile will be a .deb package, you could install it on another similar machine. |
| 15:18.19 | resiak | nomed^: If you start building all of Sarge from source, what will you do when a new release of a package comes out? Build it again? At least wait for Sarge to go stable. In any case, you won't notice any difference, except for maybe libc6, the kernel and X. I must confess that I've tried to build libc6 from source, and failed dismally. YMMV. |
| 15:18.21 | RedPenguin | Yeah, I got to use it when I read what dpkg said about compiling a new kernel |
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| 15:19.07 | nomed^ | resiak: what about libc6-i686? |
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| 15:19.18 | aVallark | hi all |
| 15:19.25 | Deep7 | guys what does setuid and setgid do on directories? |
| 15:19.42 | aVallark | hey all , what does this config option stand for in the 2.6.10 kernel .. "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE" |
| 15:19.52 | RedPenguin | Also, do you need to do anything hardware wise to your stuff to support IPv6? I am curious because I've really only ever used IPv4 |
| 15:19.56 | resiak | aVallark: Try the help? |
| 15:20.01 | nock | well, I've gotten as far as getting my printer to spit out gibberish... which is a start I guess |
| 15:20.05 | resiak | nomed^: I have a Pentium M, and have heard good things about gcc3.4's -march=pentiumm |
| 15:20.14 | aVallark | resiak: help?? |
| 15:20.23 | nock | still, I think things like this should be easier, damnit - thanks to those who've helped |
| 15:20.33 | resiak | aVallark: Are you using menuconfig as nature intended? If so, highlight the option and press h |
| 15:20.51 | resiak | aVallark: Otherwise, your mousey-windey config program will have something similar. |
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| 15:20.53 | nock | and /msg dpkg cups should mention linuxprinting.org! |
| 15:21.01 | nock | goodnight |
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| 15:21.15 | aVallark | resiak: :P |
| 15:21.32 | resiak | aVallark: This is a case of "read the screen". |
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| 15:22.48 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 15:22.58 | RedPenguin | Yes, definatly making a .deb from it makes sense, especially since these are older machines and it would be annoying to always compile it on both |
| 15:23.10 | solemnwarning | i need to make a boot floppy that gives me bash, fdisk and vi |
| 15:23.13 | solemnwarning | how can i make 1? |
| 15:23.27 | resiak | !tell solemnwarning about tomsrtbt |
| 15:23.35 | solemnwarning | oh i 4got about that disk |
| 15:23.38 | solemnwarning | oops |
| 15:23.39 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 15:23.43 | solemnwarning | havnt used it in ages |
| 15:23.53 | resiak | !tell solemnwarning -about enter |
| 15:24.02 | xk | debian-installer doesn't come with fdisk any more? |
| 15:24.04 | ircdevil | where can i find a list of mono space font names? |
| 15:24.24 | RedPenguin | Choosing 386 in the kernel makes it pretty much compatiable with almost all Intel Processors right? |
| 15:24.37 | aVallark | xk: cfdisk |
| 15:24.40 | RedPenguin | For processor type and features that is |
| 15:24.46 | xk | aVallark: I hate it. I prefer good old fdisk. |
| 15:24.56 | xk | I don't need some interface to help me. |
| 15:24.59 | vahid | how can i configure x ? |
| 15:25.04 | aVallark | xf: what way do u think cfdisk is worse than fdisk? |
| 15:25.04 | vahid | !faq vahid |
| 15:25.05 | dpkg | vahid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:25.06 | vahid | :) |
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| 15:25.19 | resiak | !tell vahid -about msgdpkg |
| 15:25.24 | resiak | RedPenguin: Yeah. |
| 15:25.33 | aVallark | vahid: XFree86 --configure |
| 15:25.40 | resiak | aVallark: NO! |
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| 15:25.45 | resiak | !drxx vahid |
| 15:25.46 | dpkg | vahid: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 15:25.56 | aVallark | resiak: what was that for? |
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| 15:26.06 | xk | aVallark: it's worse in that it doesn't give me 100% control. |
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| 15:26.13 | resiak | aVallark: Don't tell people to use XFree86 --configure. It breaks d-r x-x |
| 15:26.30 | aVallark | resiak : oh :( |
| 15:26.46 | ricky_clarkson | Does drxx still fail silently when you have already edited XF86Config-4? |
| 15:26.46 | resiak | !tell aVallark -about x md5 |
| 15:26.52 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Yes. |
| 15:27.05 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: That is a fuckup above the rest. |
| 15:27.11 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: I absolutely agree. |
| 15:27.20 | greycat | People who put README files on ftp servers need to be slapped. |
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| 15:27.38 | LegendLady | Where can i configure the NTPD Servers |
| 15:27.41 | ricky_clarkson | I need a remote control office-door closer. |
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| 15:27.47 | RedPenguin | That was a hell close one |
| 15:27.57 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe I can phone someone and ask them to close my door. |
| 15:28.18 | greycat | That's not as clear as I could have written it. Let's try again: people who put policy documents, that they want end users to read, on ftp servers that don't work properly in *any* NATted browser, instead of using a web server, need to be slapped. |
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| 15:28.21 | RedPenguin | I was going great into compiling the kernel then remember, shout the Processor Type and Features. I don't think the default of PIII is going to work that nice on a Pentium MMX |
| 15:28.23 | RedPenguin | lol |
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| 15:28.36 | Zvpun | is there a channel for irc newbees? |
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| 15:28.39 | greycat | LegendLady: /etc/ntp*.conf |
| 15:28.44 | xk | greycat: haha. |
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| 15:28.57 | LegendLady | hmm i configured that greycat! But it doesnt seem to sync my time! |
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| 15:29.04 | LegendLady | its still Feb, 26 on my box :( |
| 15:29.13 | resiak | LegendLady: It's still Feb 26 in real life. |
| 15:29.15 | greycat | LegendLady: did you stop ntpd, re-run ntpdate, then restart ntpd? |
| 15:29.21 | LegendLady | no resiak |
| 15:29.25 | resiak | Yes LegendLady. |
| 15:29.29 | LegendLady | its 2 march |
| 15:29.41 | resiak | LegendLady: No, it's not. Don't lie to me. |
| 15:29.42 | LegendLady | ntpdate doesnt work greycat |
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| 15:29.45 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 15:29.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:29.56 | stew | ntpdate sits on the couch all day |
| 15:30.02 | xk | greycat: gotta love that factoid ;) |
| 15:30.05 | LegendLady | 26 Feb 22:08:50 ntpdate[1509]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 15:30.06 | resiak | xk: He does. |
| 15:30.06 | aVallark | resiak: thanks |
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| 15:30.12 | greycat | LegendLady: what command did you type? |
| 15:30.23 | LegendLady | ntpdate :P i dunno wat else to type? |
| 15:30.30 | greycat | LegendLady: try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 15:30.34 | xk | rdate -s 171.64.7.77 |
| 15:30.38 | xk | hwclock --systohc |
| 15:30.41 | greycat | or "man ntpdate", sheesh. |
| 15:30.49 | LegendLady | [root@localhost etc]# 2 Mar 16:30:39 ntpdate[1511]: step time server 192.117.105.69 offset 325271.406927 sec |
| 15:30.58 | LegendLady | dont sned me to the manuals |
| 15:31.05 | LegendLady | I dont understand them I m not that good at english |
| 15:31.06 | greycat | LegendLady: read the manuals, or else. |
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| 15:31.14 | LegendLady | make the manuals dutch |
| 15:31.15 | LegendLady | or else! |
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| 15:31.38 | sussudio | !doe LegendLady |
| 15:31.41 | stew | LegendLady: apt-get install manpages-nl |
| 15:31.43 | Phated | They're probably available in dutch. |
| 15:31.51 | resiak | Phated: You're late, dear :) |
| 15:31.53 | LegendLady | anyway now how do i get ntpd to sync my time every 24 hours?? |
| 15:31.54 | Phated | Oh look, they are. |
| 15:31.54 | RoNiS | my kde trash icon doesn't change when i put something on it, how i can fix it? |
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| 15:32.06 | LegendLady | hmhm |
| 15:32.09 | LegendLady | command not found ;p |
| 15:32.10 | greycat | LegendLady: use ntpdate in a cron job instead of ntpd, if you want it to be THAT far behind. |
| 15:32.15 | Phated | resiak: Buzz off. |
| 15:32.21 | oskie | hmm, what happened to tcp_default_win_scale in >2.6.9? It no longer exists in proc! |
| 15:32.25 | resiak | Phated: I'm only poking you. |
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| 15:32.41 | LegendLady | Ok thanks greycat :D |
| 15:32.42 | ircdevil | what package provides the courier new true type monofont ? |
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| 15:33.06 | resiak | !tell ircdevil about msttcorefonts |
| 15:33.34 | Zvpun | are there free fonts too? |
| 15:33.43 | resiak | Zvpun: Bitstream Vera? |
| 15:34.04 | aVallark | brb |
| 15:34.10 | Zvpun | resiak: are these the free replacements for msttcorefonts? |
| 15:34.34 | PerfDave | Maybe we should have "knoooooooooooooooooooooopix has landed!" and "kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurumin has landed!" :) |
| 15:34.35 | resiak | Zvpun: There are other fonts in the world. |
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| 15:34.47 | greycat | PerfDave: *shudder* |
| 15:34.49 | xk | PerfDave: hehehehe. |
| 15:34.56 | resiak | PerfDave: I was thinking along those lines. Or perhaps just !knoppix and !kurumin |
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| 15:35.16 | xk | I think lilo didn't like it when I implemented "ROOT has landed!" |
| 15:35.20 | PerfDave | resiak: Yeah, but this would be /automatic/ :) |
| 15:35.20 | grigora | is there any restrictions on naming cron files in /etc/cron.daily? I have a file called www.domain.com_rsync that does not get executed and I am trying to figure out why. thanks! |
| 15:35.21 | gilles | Where to find a website to put my flood ? |
| 15:35.23 | greycat | xk: I know he didn't. I remember it. :) |
| 15:35.29 | xk | :) |
| 15:35.35 | greycat | gilles: /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:35.37 | PerfDave | xk: Why not? |
| 15:35.39 | xk | no idea why timriker enabled it. |
| 15:35.42 | resiak | PerfDave: So would that. |
| 15:35.46 | resiak | !topicsmite gilles |
| 15:35.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gilles. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:35.55 | PerfDave | resiak: Oh, ISWYM |
| 15:35.59 | solemnwarning | i cant make the disk with a usb drive |
| 15:36.03 | xk | PerfDave: "creates too much attention for them to get hacked" |
| 15:36.11 | resiak | xk: Isn't that kinda the point? |
| 15:36.12 | resiak | :) |
| 15:36.13 | PerfDave | xk: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
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| 15:36.27 | PerfDave | xk: Because any hacker can't just set something up themselves. |
| 15:36.35 | gilles | greycat: i need a website, i know this channel |
| 15:36.49 | greycat | gilles: are you retarded, or just dumb? |
| 15:37.00 | resiak | !topicsmite gilles |
| 15:37.01 | gilles | greycat: ?? |
| 15:37.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gilles. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:37.06 | greycat | !tell gilles about paste |
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| 15:37.20 | greycat | now, do we have to teach him how to use his IRC client too? |
| 15:37.31 | gilles | greycat: thanks |
| 15:37.36 | resiak | o.O |
| 15:37.39 | ricky_clarkson | Anti-Gentoo propaganda: http://bash.org/?464385 |
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| 15:37.57 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg gentoo |
| 15:37.58 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: haha |
| 15:38.03 | gilles | greycat: no, it's still not what i need... |
| 15:38.08 | resiak | gilles: WTF do you need?! |
| 15:38.14 | abrotman | bah .. what's wrong with dpkg abbreviating things? |
| 15:38.17 | Phated | Oh FFS /msg dpkg paster |
| 15:38.21 | abrotman | or sohrtening them rather |
| 15:38.27 | nomed^ | resiak: still dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386 |
| 15:38.31 | nomed^ | is it normal |
| 15:38.32 | nomed^ | ? |
| 15:38.36 | greycat | gilles: explain how http://channels.debian.net/paste/ is not a web site. |
| 15:38.39 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: /msg dpkg say fuck the hell off, abrotman |
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| 15:38.44 | ircdevil | resiak: thanks -> nifty with some ms fonts |
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| 15:38.55 | resiak | nomed^: I DON'T KNOW! Use apt-build. :) |
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| 15:39.04 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: no ? |
| 15:39.18 | gilles | resiak: just a website where i can put my flood, not an irc channel, and with no link to irc channels |
| 15:39.21 | nomed^ | i'm using apt-build o0 |
| 15:39.21 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Forrest? |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | but .. i do wonder why ricky_clarkson is so angry |
| 15:39.28 | greycat | gilles: apt-get install apache |
| 15:39.38 | xk | abrotman: man rags. |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | xk: you're still here? :) |
| 15:39.47 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I'm not angry. |
| 15:39.50 | ricky_clarkson | !cookie ricky_clarkson |
| 15:39.55 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: oh .. you just hate me :) |
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| 15:40.02 | ricky_clarkson | Actually, the above could be a reason. |
| 15:40.13 | greycat | !smite the netsim factoid for omitting the trailing slash on a URL |
| 15:40.13 | xk | abrotman: yeah. people don't want me any more? |
| 15:40.24 | gilles | greycat: if you dont know, just don't care about what i ask, don't be such aggressive, please |
| 15:40.25 | abrotman | xk: i didn't say that .. |
| 15:40.28 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:40.41 | abrotman | xk: i just haven't seen you much before .. always wondered why you were op'ed |
| 15:40.46 | ricky_clarkson | ~netsim =~ s#lavender.cime.net/~ricky#www.netsim.info/# |
| 15:40.46 | apt | ricky_clarkson: i didn't have anything called 'netsim' to modify |
| 15:40.50 | ricky_clarkson | !netsim =~ s#lavender.cime.net/~ricky#www.netsim.info/# |
| 15:40.51 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: OK |
| 15:40.53 | Phated | WTF... It's a http:// address... How isn't that an URL? |
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| 15:41.01 | nomed^ | but cat /etc/apt/apt-build.conf says march = -march=pentium4 ? |
| 15:41.14 | nomed^ | can someone explain me this trick? |
| 15:41.29 | grigora | anyone knows why a valid bash script that runs fine from command line would not get picked up by cron from /etc/cron.daily? |
| 15:41.29 | yang | hi, can anyone help me please, when I run Maple 9.5, i can't make the ^ symbol with Shift+` |
| 15:41.31 | Phated | greycat: Aww, gee, how sweet. :) |
| 15:41.35 | greycat | grigora: man run-parts |
| 15:42.47 | xk | abrotman: because I used to code and maintain the bot apt. |
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| 15:43.03 | abrotman | xk: oh .. gothca |
| 15:43.04 | xk | abrotman: plus dished out abuse here and there :) |
| 15:43.07 | abrotman | gotcha even |
| 15:43.13 | grigora | greycat: thanks, no periods allowed, that's why |
| 15:43.13 | tweekken_ | grigora: my keyboard has ~ with shift+` |
| 15:43.14 | ricky_clarkson | xk: I found it quicker to write my own bot than to get blootbot working. |
| 15:43.38 | jcamel2k5 | how do I mount a physical target from the shell during install? (I need to mount /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/lun0/targetx) |
| 15:43.40 | grigora | tweekken_: what? |
| 15:43.47 | xk | ricky_clarkson: yeah? it's my fault that I didn't bother to fix up the installation process or documentation... but I didn't intend it to be a public project. |
| 15:43.47 | tweekken_ | girgora: the caret or hat is above 6 on my keyboard |
| 15:43.57 | gilles | greycat: (i found what i looked for : http://pastebin.com/) |
| 15:44.05 | nomed^ | i mean when i use apt-build .. it calls dpkg and dpkg-architecture also .... apt-build.conf says march = -march=pentium4 but architecture is i386 |
| 15:44.35 | tweekken_ | grigora: shift+6 gives me a ^ |
| 15:44.38 | nomed^ | it's really making me crazy |
| 15:44.39 | ircdevil | hmmm? i installed all these ms ttf and it looks like it went well (msttcorefonts) but they are not availible to galeon? |
| 15:44.44 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Fair enough. I only documented mine recently, and it's been in use since 2003. |
| 15:44.55 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: You were. |
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| 15:45.02 | resiak | ircdevil: Did you log out and in? |
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| 15:45.44 | grigora | tweekken_: and? |
| 15:46.01 | ircdevil | hmmm ill try to restart x |
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| 15:46.15 | resiak | "Try" to restart X? |
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| 15:46.44 | Phated | He stabs at his keyboard randomly, like so many others. |
| 15:46.46 | xk | oh well... lates. |
| 15:47.02 | yang | hi, can anyone help me please, when I run Maple 9.5, i can't make the ^ symbol with Shift+` |
| 15:47.03 | resiak | Phated: Heh. |
| 15:47.08 | resiak | !tell yang about repeat |
| 15:47.15 | stew | !info maple |
| 15:47.22 | resiak | yang: On most keyboards, ^ is Shift-6. ¬ is shift-`. |
| 15:47.25 | stew | ...does not exist |
| 15:47.29 | jharrisonwk | how do you set the DISPLAY enviroment variable? |
| 15:47.29 | nomed^ | hoping someone will find the time to answer i'll wait .... :P |
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| 15:47.41 | greycat | jharrisonwk: why? |
| 15:47.45 | Phated | resiak: Yeah, see, with non-utf rubbish, we get ~ with shift-`. |
| 15:47.57 | resiak | Phated: No, actually, it's the UK keymap. |
| 15:48.05 | NarCoT | Is it possible I get this error cause 'apt-get' is working : 'dpkg: status database area is locked by another process' ? |
| 15:48.05 | resiak | Phated: But thanks for correcting me. |
| 15:48.05 | jharrisonwk | greycat: installing oracle and the first error out of the box is that DISPLAY is not set |
| 15:48.06 | ricky_clarkson | Is it correct to say "I'm on Linux" and "I'm under Windows", respectively, to imply that using Windows is like being under the influence of something? ;) |
| 15:48.08 | greycat | why on earth did his IRC client spit out a UTF-8 mess instead of a tilde? |
| 15:48.12 | jharrisonwk | greycat: please set DISPLAY and try again |
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| 15:48.12 | resiak | Phated: ~ is Shift-# |
| 15:48.14 | Phated | resiak: See, with non-UK rubbish... |
| 15:48.15 | greycat | jharrisonwk: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 15:48.41 | Phated | It isn't, whatever the fuck it was. |
| 15:48.43 | jharrisonwk | greycat: but this is as root and as a normal user |
| 15:48.44 | ricky_clarkson | ¬ is not in ASCII. |
| 15:48.48 | greycat | resiak: I see a capital A with a ^ over it and then a bent line thingy. |
| 15:48.51 | ricky_clarkson | Neither is £. |
| 15:48.57 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: UTF-8 |
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| 15:49.05 | resiak | greycat: The bent line thing is what I'm after. |
| 15:49.05 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: HP-UX 10 can't *do* UTF-8. |
| 15:49.14 | yang | resiak: shift + 6 doesn't work |
| 15:49.16 | Phated | WTF is the bent-line thing for? |
| 15:49.18 | greycat | resiak: well, it's not in ASCII. |
| 15:49.21 | resiak | Phated: It's logical not. |
| 15:49.23 | greycat | Phated: logical negation symbol |
| 15:49.23 | resiak | greycat: Okay. |
| 15:49.32 | Phated | I see. |
| 15:49.34 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: He was after ¬ and I was after £ (ISO-8859-1) |
| 15:49.43 | ricky_clarkson | Hope that worked. |
| 15:49.46 | greycat | !punish ricky_clarkson for using UTF-8 on IRC |
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| 15:49.56 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: They were both UTF-8 |
| 15:50.05 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Blame your countrymen for ASCII. |
| 15:50.40 | stew | ricky_clarkson: blame your countrymen for using an american standard :) |
| 15:51.00 | tweekken_ | cough transitor invented cough |
| 15:51.00 | Haukkari | I had to change the motherboard for my Debian router, I had compiled the kernel for Pentium III and now it has the old Celeron (the one that was around when Pentium 2 was around)... How much slower it'll be on that kernel? |
| 15:51.01 | ricky_clarkson | Somehow the Americans thought that the ~, #, `, ^, \, { and } symbols were going to be more important than the pound sign and accented vowels. |
| 15:51.24 | ricky_clarkson | [oh, and |
| 15:51.25 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i certainly use those symbos more than the pund or accented vowels |
| 15:51.27 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: why don't you love me anymore? |
| 15:51.27 | tweekken_ | ugh I need coffee |
| 15:51.29 | ricky_clarkson | # is not a pound sign] |
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| 15:51.44 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it is here |
| 15:51.50 | tweekken_ | # is pound, number, hash |
| 15:52.03 | resiak | tweekken_: It's hash. £ is pound. We're right. Shush. :) |
| 15:52.05 | Phated | Hex. |
| 15:52.06 | stew | tictactoe thingy |
| 15:52.18 | ricky_clarkson | So do you weigh, e.g., 200#? |
| 15:52.20 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: some people note it that way .. |
| 15:52.22 | thingfish | it's a sharp sign in music notation. |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | but it's more for another use .. |
| 15:52.26 | Phated | You don't weigh 200£ either. ;) |
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| 15:52.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:52.34 | Fikrann | Hello! Does anyone here know how to change TTL of an incoming packet, using iptables? |
| 15:52.38 | stew | he probably weights 14 stones or something |
| 15:52.45 | ricky_clarkson | I weigh 12 stone. |
| 15:52.51 | tweekken_ | lol |
| 15:52.53 | resiak | thingfish: Actually, the sharp sign is more slanted. |
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| 15:53.00 | tweekken_ | 2.5 score in age? |
| 15:53.05 | thingfish | resiak: it is, isn't it. |
| 15:53.05 | LSorensen | Fikrann: I would guess the mangle target might allow such things |
| 15:53.09 | ricky_clarkson | 1.25 actually, tweekken_. |
| 15:53.13 | resiak | thingfish: Yes. :) |
| 15:53.16 | ricky_clarkson | !1.25*20 |
| 15:53.16 | dpkg | 25 |
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| 15:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | Um, 1.2 rather. |
| 15:53.26 | stew | half a twain tall? |
| 15:53.33 | tweekken_ | hehe |
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| 15:53.47 | greycat | stew: just bust out the furlongs. you know you want to. |
| 15:53.52 | jc-denton | anybody here famliliar with the acpi support under 2.6.11? |
| 15:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | I'm 3 cats and 2 frogs high, and my mouth is one Big Mac wide. |
| 15:54.02 | Fikrann | LSorensen, I was looking at mangle target, but I found no useful clues .. |
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| 15:54.13 | kevinz | any easy software to make gif animation? |
| 15:54.16 | greycat | I'm one greycat high. |
| 15:54.21 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 15:54.34 | resiak | !convert 300000000 m/s to furlongs/fortnight |
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| 15:54.40 | stew | greycat: i haven't gotten one greycat high since high school probably |
| 15:54.47 | aVallark | hi all :) |
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| 15:54.52 | tweekken_ | fortnight love that one |
| 15:54.58 | resiak | tweekken_: Google can do it. try it. |
| 15:55.10 | aVallark | if a parent process is set to nice -10, would all its child process inherit it? |
| 15:55.11 | LSorensen | Fikrann: well I have certainly never wanted to change the TTL |
| 15:55.13 | stew | so can cvs: "cvs update -D "one fortnight ago" works |
| 15:55.14 | tweekken_ | I knew all of these already |
| 15:55.19 | tweekken_ | I am OLDE |
| 15:55.20 | greycat | aVallark: I think so. |
| 15:55.30 | LSorensen | Fikrann: I would just think that would be the most likely target to do such a change |
| 15:55.37 | greycat | aVallark: should be simple enough to test... |
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| 15:55.45 | aVallark | greycat: by child process i mean those processes that are started by this process |
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| 15:55.54 | tweekken_ | I live in a backward nation where the pound is lbs |
| 15:56.01 | greycat | aVallark: nice bash -c 'sleep 60' & |
| 15:56.03 | greycat | aVallark: top |
| 15:56.18 | ricky_clarkson | Imagine if women all conspired to have their period at the same time as each other. |
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| 15:56.25 | ricky_clarkson | No, that's too painful to think about. |
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| 15:56.56 | Fikrann | LSorensen, I know .. I was curious if anyone here knew exact IPtables rules I should use for that .. |
| 15:56.56 | greycat | err, I guess sleep doesn't show up on top very easily. |
| 15:57.01 | greycat | you could use "ps xw" instead of top, though |
| 15:57.13 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: isn't that what happends in convents? |
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| 15:57.16 | ircdevil | i want to install courier-new on this box and i failed. apt-get install msttcorefonts went well. but fonts dont show up in galeon. why? |
| 15:57.18 | ivo_ | hello guys |
| 15:57.30 | Xaqueth | Can someone help me with Belkin Bluetooth USB dongle, I cannot get it to work ... |
| 15:57.32 | ivo_ | can some of you help me, private is easier I think!! |
| 15:57.33 | LSorensen | Fikrann: man iptables has a section called TTL |
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| 15:57.52 | ivo_ | ik have problems with apt-get, (who can help me with that??) |
| 15:58.06 | LSorensen | Fikrann: and it is in the mangle table. it also says to NEVER alter the TTL on packets leaving your own network |
| 15:58.10 | aVallark | there is soemthing wrong.. my memory usage is gr8! |
| 15:58.10 | ricky_clarkson | ivo_: ask |
| 15:58.16 | sussudio | !permasunday |
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| 15:58.17 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 15:58.19 | greycat | ivo_: NOBODY is going to help you in private. |
| 15:58.21 | greycat | SHEESH. |
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| 15:58.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Maybe #debian-friendly if he can't hack the pace of #debian, dunno. |
| 15:58.54 | tdonahue | i have a really stupid question but for some reason I can't find the answer... how do you enable routing between interfaces? |
| 15:59.06 | greycat | tdonahue: enable IP forwarding in /proc/something |
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| 15:59.09 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh, it's dead now. |
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| 15:59.18 | stew | /etc/network/options |
| 15:59.19 | Fikrann | LSorensen, thanks |
| 15:59.25 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I think they switched it to ##debian |
| 15:59.32 | Zvpun | how can I get colored manpages? |
| 15:59.44 | LSorensen | Zvpun: why ever would you want to? |
| 15:59.46 | greycat | Zvpun: printer, paper, crayons. |
| 15:59.46 | stew | Zvpun: change the default pager to most |
| 16:00.00 | ivo_ | ok |
| 16:00.07 | stew | Zvpun: apt-get install most ; export PAGER=most |
| 16:00.10 | tdonahue | stew, i'm guessing I just have to set ip_forward to yes? |
| 16:00.11 | Fikrann | And I need to bump up TTL on incoming packets, the ISP is setting TTL=1 (like it'd change something, except to piss off users) |
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| 16:00.23 | stew | tdonahue: yes, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:00.29 | MattF | How do I split a file into smaller chunks? |
| 16:00.32 | Zvpun | stew: it should work with less too, since it is colored by default on cygwin (with less) |
| 16:00.33 | greycat | MattF: man split |
| 16:00.46 | stew | Zvpun: dunno |
| 16:00.46 | MattF | is it possible to rejoin them in windows? |
| 16:00.48 | ivo_ | i was trying to install shh but it didn't work, so I wanted to remove shh, with the openssh-server but I get errors |
| 16:00.49 | greycat | Zvpun: you can configure rxvt to use colors for bold, etc. |
| 16:00.50 | Zvpun | LSorensen: who are you to decide what people want? |
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| 16:00.53 | ivo_ | likeL |
| 16:00.55 | ivo_ | like: |
| 16:01.05 | greycat | rxvt*colorBD: blue |
| 16:01.05 | MattF | I have a 2GB file I want to copy to a windows PC, if I use FTP it's too large and crashes my server |
| 16:01.09 | ivo_ | /etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found |
| 16:01.11 | MattF | SFTP is too slow |
| 16:01.17 | ivo_ | invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed. |
| 16:01.26 | ivo_ | dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove): |
| 16:01.35 | ivo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.37 | Zvpun | MattF: yes, you should read the windows help for cat or more I dont remember exactly |
| 16:01.38 | greycat | ivo_: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:01.42 | LSorensen | Zvpun: man has only ever had underscores and bold. You would have to come up with rules to decide which part of a man page should have whatever colour and implement some kind of filter. perhaps that is what 'most' does. |
| 16:01.48 | tdonahue | stew, thanks a lot, that worked |
| 16:01.50 | ivo_ | this is a ubunto version |
| 16:01.56 | stew | tdonahue: you're welcome |
| 16:01.58 | Gbillou | hi, is there an ndiswrapper package for debian? |
| 16:02.02 | LSorensen | Zvpun: and why is often a good question when people ask for something that appears to add no useful value to anything |
| 16:02.03 | Gbillou | or should i compile source code? |
| 16:02.03 | ricky_clarkson | MattF: Cygwin is a great environment to pretend you use an OS when you're 'under' Windows. |
| 16:02.04 | greycat | ivo_: /part #debian /join #ubuntu |
| 16:02.10 | LSorensen | Zvpun: perhaps people have a good reason. |
| 16:02.18 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I have seen colored manpages on a BSD box of my friend and on cygwin. |
| 16:02.26 | brosio | anyone known when will be release an official version of xorg? |
| 16:02.28 | ivo_ | ubuntu = debian |
| 16:02.35 | PerfDave | !topicsmite brosio |
| 16:02.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon brosio. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:02.37 | greycat | Zvpun: they probably configured their terminals to display bold/underline as colors, like I do. |
| 16:02.39 | ggi | I'm trying to copy a directory of music files to a vfat-formatted USB hard drive, and for certain ones I get 'cannot create regular file `x.ogg': Invalid argument'. I've tried adding 'utf8' to my mount options, but it doesn't appear to make any difference. What's up with that? |
| 16:02.40 | FieldySnuts | @topic... n/m |
| 16:02.40 | stew | ivo_: false |
| 16:02.41 | thingfish | not hardly, ivo_ |
| 16:02.57 | LSorensen | Zvpun: hmm, neat. I guess they have man set up to use a pager that knows about man pages and does some creative filtering |
| 16:03.06 | PerfDave | !topicsmite ivo_ |
| 16:03.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ivo_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:03.14 | greycat | ggi: are you SURE the file is named "x.ogg"? |
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| 16:03.20 | Gbillou | Is there a ndiswrapper package? |
| 16:03.24 | greycat | ggi: are you SURE it's not actually called "my song.ogg" with a SPACE in it? |
| 16:03.37 | ivo_ | okay, i'll ask somewhere else, thanks for you help!! |
| 16:03.37 | ivo_ | goodbye |
| 16:03.42 | RedPenguin | Wait a minute |
| 16:03.46 | ggi | greycat: Uh, it's not. It was just to shorten the name. |
| 16:03.50 | PerfDave | !tell Gbillou about search |
| 16:03.55 | thingfish | ivo_: come back when you're running real debian. |
| 16:03.59 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 16:04.01 | LSorensen | Gbillou: apt-cache search ndiswrapper (answer is uet) |
| 16:04.05 | LSorensen | er yes |
| 16:04.08 | greycat | ggi: it's the name that CAUSES the problem. |
| 16:04.08 | RedPenguin | Is it possible to put two NICs in a machine, then put a machine on the second NIC to get Internet from the first NIC card? |
| 16:04.12 | Gbillou | <PerfDave> !tell Gbillou about search <- i've already searched |
| 16:04.14 | PerfDave | !tell Gbillou -about ndiswrapper |
| 16:04.16 | Gbillou | and i've not found it |
| 16:04.17 | LSorensen | RedPenguin: yes |
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| 16:04.20 | ivo_ | okay, but in real debian I can't get my ati radeon working, it really sucks!! |
| 16:04.21 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 16:04.30 | LSorensen | Gbillou: assuming you are NOT running woody |
| 16:04.38 | PerfDave | ivo_: Yes, ATI cards do suck. |
| 16:04.46 | ivo_ | but I must go, see you later. |
| 16:04.48 | ivo_ | goodbye |
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| 16:04.53 | RedPenguin | I think I would just need to get a crossover cable thoough |
| 16:04.56 | RedPenguin | So that is about i |
| 16:04.58 | RedPenguin | t |
| 16:05.03 | jonasn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.05 | Gbillou | <LSorensen> Gbillou: assuming you are NOT running woody <- i am |
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| 16:05.25 | grigora | RedPenguin: yes, what you need is IP forwarding enabled in your kernel and /proc//sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:05.27 | PerfDave | Gbillou: You were already told that if you wanted to use a 2.6 kernel, or ndiswrapper, you'd be better off using Sarge. |
| 16:05.29 | ircdevil | where does the fonts end up when install msttcorefonts ? |
| 16:05.29 | ggi | greycat: Well it's occuring with songs with '?' in the name, primarily, and also with ones with Hiragana characters. |
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| 16:05.36 | Gbillou | hmm and can't i just change the sources.list file? |
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| 16:05.41 | greycat | gilles: FAT can't handle ? |
| 16:05.44 | LSorensen | Gbillou: then there is no such thing |
| 16:05.45 | Gbillou | in order to update my woody to a sarge? |
| 16:05.48 | greycat | gilles: you must rename the file |
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| 16:05.57 | LSorensen | Gbillou: if you run sarge there is ndiswrapper support |
| 16:05.58 | ricky_clarkson | Gbillou: Upgrade to sarge. |
| 16:06.01 | PerfDave | Gbillou: Try READING THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION YOU'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO |
| 16:06.18 | RedPenguin | Well IP forwarding I have done |
| 16:06.25 | RedPenguin | But it feels like I still need to do one thing |
| 16:06.31 | LSorensen | Gbillou: after upgrading apt-cache search will find ndiswraper |
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| 16:07.30 | Fikrann | LSorensen, thanks for the pointer! |
| 16:07.36 | FieldySnuts | every time you help an Ub*ntu user here, Jesus kills a kitten. |
| 16:07.42 | stew | !woody->sarge |
| 16:07.42 | Gbillou | <LSorensen> Gbillou: after upgrading apt-cache search will find ndiswraper <- ok, so the only way to apt-get ndiswrapper, is to upgrade my woody to a sarge |
| 16:07.49 | Gbillou | hmm |
| 16:07.51 | Gbillou | thx |
| 16:07.52 | ricky_clarkson | In Soviet Russia, the kitten kills Jesus. |
| 16:07.55 | Gbillou | woody suxx ^^ |
| 16:07.57 | RedPenguin | Is 1.2M a correct .deb file size for a kernel image? |
| 16:08.03 | RedPenguin | It sounds to me, awfully small |
| 16:08.09 | RedPenguin | For a custom made one that is |
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| 16:09.02 | NarCoT | I got this error frmo the 'apt-get install smb4k': Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 16:09.02 | vhuren | can a radius server be used to authenicate ehternet connections other than just ppp ones? |
| 16:09.02 | NarCoT | <NarCoT> /var/cache/apt/archives/knetfilter_3.3.1-1_i386.deb |
| 16:09.02 | NarCoT | <NarCoT> edp: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:09.13 | stew | the woody->sarge factoid should really be updated, it says to use apt-get, which doesn't work |
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| 16:09.47 | stew | yeah, i'm on it |
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| 16:10.54 | abrotman | why doesn't apt-get work ? |
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| 16:11.06 | NarCoT | anyone ? |
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| 16:11.44 | stew | abrotman: apt-get runs over the 1024 limit when calling dpkg and splits it into multiple calls which breaks circular dependencies |
| 16:11.58 | cdc | whats the difference between su - and su -l |
| 16:12.03 | stew | dpkg: woody->sarge =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/g |
| 16:12.03 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 16:12.04 | cdc | is there any difference between the two |
| 16:12.06 | cdc | ? |
| 16:12.12 | abrotman | stew: yay |
| 16:12.23 | RedPenguin | My new .kernel Deb is making lilo say |
| 16:12.23 | RedPenguin | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
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| 16:12.27 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ su -l |
| 16:12.27 | ricky_clarkson | su: invalid option -- l |
| 16:12.30 | ricky_clarkson | cdc: ^^ |
| 16:12.30 | stew | dpkg: woody->sarge =~ s/This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there//g |
| 16:12.31 | WageSlave | I know su - takes that users eviroment |
| 16:12.31 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:12.32 | RedPenguin | Is that a common error or did I miss something in .config? |
| 16:12.35 | stew | dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:12.35 | dpkg | somebody said woody->sarge was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". , or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management. DWN says "use aptitude, not aptitude" for this upgrade |
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| 16:12.53 | PSIplus | hi |
| 16:13.00 | Zvpun | cdc: my su manpage states that -, -l makes the shell a login shell |
| 16:13.01 | WageSlave | wheras us <user> doesn't take the whole user enviroment |
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| 16:13.21 | NarCoT | Help please: I got this error frmo the 'apt-get install smb4k': Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/knetfilter_3.3.1-1_i386.deb edp: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:13.49 | Phated | RedPenguin: Do you have a /proc/partitions/something for your root device instead of /dev/hda1 or something? |
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| 16:13.58 | Zvpun | NarCoT: Do you have a more detailed error report? |
| 16:14.09 | kjetil | does debian woody (bf2.4) have QoS support ? |
| 16:14.20 | abrotman | !tell kjetil about real kernel |
| 16:14.22 | directhex|work | Phated, you any good with debugging nasty kernelly general protection faults? |
| 16:14.26 | NarCoT | Zvpun: not really... |
| 16:14.36 | Phated | directhex|work: Ew, gross. |
| 16:14.49 | PSIplus | got a little problem... |
| 16:14.49 | PSIplus | PC Crashed, since that /var/lib/dpkg/available and available-old are corrupted... (thank god it wasn't the status) ... is there a way to re-build it? |
| 16:14.56 | Phated | RedPenguin: In your lilo config. |
| 16:15.00 | directhex|work | !available |
| 16:15.00 | dpkg | from memory, available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 16:15.05 | RedPenguin | Well |
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| 16:15.12 | cdc | Zvpun, if i give su -l it makes it as a login shell right? |
| 16:15.12 | RedPenguin | It says root=/dev/hda2 in my lilo.conf |
| 16:15.12 | Zvpun | NarCoT: I thought it tells you about where the error occured. (Like in knetfilter.postinst or somwhere else |
| 16:15.31 | Zvpun | cdc: that is what my manpage says -, -l, --login make the shell a login shell |
| 16:15.32 | directhex|work | Mar 2 14:52:47 localhost kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1] |
| 16:15.57 | Phated | Tralala. Do you have /proc/partitions anywhere in your lilo config? But if you're sure everything in it is OK, it's really just a warning. |
| 16:15.58 | PSIplus | directhex|work: thanx :-) |
| 16:15.59 | kjetil | thanks |
| 16:16.42 | directhex|work | Phated, suggest a channel of people who can understand kernel barfing |
| 16:16.46 | telpoch | is there a command i can run to find out what jobs cron has loaded in memory? |
| 16:17.15 | Phated | directhex|work: debian-kernel or debian-<the thing I'm not supposed to say> |
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| 16:17.51 | ircdevil | stupid true type fonts! why dont they show up in any gnome app? |
| 16:18.06 | cdc | i want to enable DMA when the system boots by default how do i do that ? |
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| 16:18.48 | RedPenguin | Damn, I can get used to compiling my own Debian kernels. It is actually fairly easy |
| 16:18.49 | asuffield | cdc: install a vaguely recent kernel, configured to enable DMA at boot time |
| 16:18.52 | cdc | i added hdparm in etc/profile but it is used only by root but the other users get error when they login "hdparm command not found" |
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| 16:19.13 | cdc | asuffield, no all u need is hdparm thats it with that u can enable it |
| 16:19.20 | resiak | !u |
| 16:19.20 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:19.28 | asuffield | cdc: do not do that, and go away until you can speak english intelligably |
| 16:19.42 | resiak | cdc: Of course putting it in /etc/profile only works for root -- you must be root to use hdparm |
| 16:19.45 | Zvpun | cdc: I thought that dma is enabled by default by the BIOS. Did you compile your on kernel? |
| 16:19.53 | cdc | asuffield, i have used it in Red Hat 7.2 |
| 16:19.54 | asuffield | Zvpun: not by the bios, by the kernel |
| 16:20.04 | Zvpun | asuffield: fair enough |
| 16:20.06 | asuffield | cdc: I'm sure you've done all sorts of silly things |
| 16:20.28 | cdc | ok fine how do i enable it by default help me please |
| 16:20.36 | asuffield | already told you, see above |
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| 16:21.16 | cdc | resiak, i want to enable DMA for everyone and not for the root alone |
| 16:21.41 | resiak | cdc: Do as asuffield says.; |
| 16:21.50 | RedPenguin | If the .deb for a newly compiled kernel is only like 1.2M, does that mean it downloads the kernel source as a dependency? |
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| 16:22.23 | cdc | and Morever when i add it etc/profile only after the root logs in that gets affected but i want that to happen when the system gets booted |
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| 16:22.32 | Zvpun | cdc: try installing hdparm and hwtools add it to /etc/init.d/hwtools |
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| 16:24.30 | resiak | cdc: I just told you why it only works for root if you do that. Read what people say. |
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| 16:25.51 | difeta | i need some help with cups. For some reason I can no longer print as a regular user, only root. Anybody know why? |
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| 16:26.13 | cdc | resiak, i can understand what you say but how do i do that globally for all users |
| 16:27.46 | Zvpun | cdc: did you install hwtools? Run hdparm from /etc/init.d/hwtools instead of /etc/profile. hwtools is run during system startup (as root). |
| 16:28.17 | quittt | when Sarge is going to release? |
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| 16:28.25 | quittt | there are 3 years of no releases |
| 16:28.29 | quittt | and Woody is very old |
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| 16:28.37 | Laney | would i have problems installing on a sata drive that is connected through a pci card? |
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| 16:28.55 | Zvpun | quittt: solve some bugs and it will be released sooner |
| 16:29.07 | sorahn | how long after the newest kernel is released before you can apt-get it |
| 16:29.17 | sorahn | or, do i just need a new apt source |
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| 16:29.33 | RedPenguin | Anyone know the file you are to edit to allow connections into Webmin? |
| 16:29.35 | resiak | !tell quittt about wwsr |
| 16:29.38 | RedPenguin | I get access denied from my IP |
| 16:29.59 | Zap-W | is there a problem with the latest nvidia driver? with the logo it draws it , but whatever i load next isnt visible and the background is black if i disable the logo , cursor appears and moves |
| 16:30.08 | Zap-W | works fine with the "nv" driver |
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| 16:31.01 | thingfish | Laney: installing sarge using the 2.6 kernel would give you your best chances of success. |
| 16:31.08 | stew | sorahn: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:31.18 | sorahn | sarge |
| 16:31.20 | Laney | ok, thingfish. will i need to download drivers or anything? |
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| 16:31.38 | directhex|work | sorahn, never. sarge will release wqith 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
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| 16:31.43 | stew | sorahn: sarge is (almost definately) going to release 2.6.8, it will never get 2.6.9 or .10 |
| 16:31.52 | thingfish | Laney: no, if it's going to work or not, you'll find out pretty quick. |
| 16:32.02 | Laney | alright |
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| 16:32.22 | sorahn | so, to get 2.6.11 id just have to do it manually |
| 16:32.23 | sorahn | ? |
| 16:32.33 | resiak | sorahn: You'd pull it from Sid. |
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| 16:32.44 | _rene_ | if it is in sid |
| 16:32.44 | sorahn | oh |
| 16:33.01 | resiak | 11 is not in sid yet. Hell, it was released _today_. |
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| 16:33.14 | _rene_ | which will take some time probably since it was a) released today morning and b) are NEW packages and therefore have to be approved manually |
| 16:33.17 | settledown | startx is giving me a 'fatal server error:' |
| 16:33.25 | cdc | can i upgrade to a newer version of kernel using apt-get ? |
| 16:33.26 | sorahn | one of my friends mentioned that the 2.6.11 kernel was out, so i thought id see if i could apt-get it |
| 16:33.33 | cdc | is that possible? i am using Sarge |
| 16:33.38 | stew | cdc: yes, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 16:33.40 | resiak | cdc: What version are you using? |
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| 16:33.46 | mdg_wk | Does anyone know if there is a log I can look at, to see every connection that comes in to my debian box? I want to see what my mysql connections are doing. |
| 16:33.48 | sorahn | but, i can still just download it and install it right? |
| 16:33.50 | cdc | i am currently using 2.6.8.1 i want to upgrade to a new version |
| 16:33.56 | xabier98 | hi |
| 16:33.59 | resiak | cdc: You mean 2.6.8-1 |
| 16:34.04 | cdc | my system is Celeron 1.7 Ghz and 256 MB SD RAM |
| 16:34.05 | resiak | cdc: 2.6.8-2 is in Sarge. |
| 16:34.05 | stew | cdc: you can get 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:34.06 | cdc | resiak, yes |
| 16:34.06 | settledown | xf86OpenConsole: cannot open /dev/tty0 (no such file or directory) |
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| 16:34.13 | settledown | startx is giving me a 'fatal server error:' |
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| 16:34.21 | xabier98 | how can i redirect conection to a pc to other pc on the lan |
| 16:34.26 | Phated | What functionality would you possibly need to upgrade a kernel for if you already had a working kernel? |
| 16:34.32 | abrotman | xabier98: iptables iirc |
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| 16:34.36 | resiak | Phated, newness! |
| 16:34.40 | stew | Phated: -2 is a security fix |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | !kiwismite resiak |
| 16:34.49 | cdc | but when i say apt-cache search it shows 2.6.8.10 and others |
| 16:34.51 | abrotman | nope .. that's not it |
| 16:34.53 | abrotman | !kiwismite resiak |
| 16:34.57 | abrotman | damn it |
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| 16:35.04 | abrotman | resiak: shiny thing! |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | !kiwismite resiak |
| 16:35.08 | Phated | stew: I meant, up tp stuff like 2.6.11. |
| 16:35.08 | cdc | but in 2.6.8.10 there are many items i dont know which one to install |
| 16:35.10 | abrotman | i give up |
| 16:35.21 | stew | Phated: no idea |
| 16:35.23 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 16:35.27 | abrotman | !kikismite resiak |
| 16:35.30 | resiak | cdc: No, it doesn't. |
| 16:35.34 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:35.40 | resiak | cdc: It definitely doesn't say 2.6.8.10 |
| 16:35.51 | settledown | do i have to be in the home directory to go to the desktop, im stuck in the CLI |
| 16:35.52 | Phated | stew: Exactly. |
| 16:35.55 | cdc | resiak, oops as you say it says 2.6.8.2 also |
| 16:36.06 | cdc | shall i install 2.6.8.2 ? |
| 16:36.08 | stew | cdc: still wrong |
| 16:36.08 | resiak | cdc: No, it says 2.6.8-2 :) |
| 16:36.12 | resiak | cdc: Yes.= |
| 16:36.18 | resiak | cdc: And then leave it and don't worry about it any more. |
| 16:36.23 | xam | !beersmite resiak |
| 16:36.34 | stew | ewww |
| 16:36.34 | resiak | Eww, Corona Light. |
| 16:36.37 | thingfish | eww light beer |
| 16:36.46 | cdc | is it just apt-get install <package name> after installation should i change anything? |
| 16:36.50 | Phated | <sigh> Men. |
| 16:36.54 | settledown | what is the command to start the desktop |
| 16:36.56 | resiak | cdc: Reboot for a kernel. |
| 16:36.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:37.00 | resiak | !faq settledown |
| 16:37.01 | dpkg | settledown: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:37.06 | resiak | Phated: What about men? |
| 16:37.08 | settledown | thx |
| 16:37.12 | resiak | !thx |
| 16:37.13 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 16:37.17 | xam | <sign> Women that expect anything else in this channel |
| 16:37.29 | xam | s/sign/sigh |
| 16:37.45 | sorahn | lol |
| 16:37.46 | FieldySnuts | eh. |
| 16:37.50 | Phated | resiak: Why do you care, I wasn't referring to you. |
| 16:37.54 | difeta | sorry heres a recap. I cannot use the lpr command to print.. Any ideas? |
| 16:38.03 | cdc | resiak, and when you say apt-get there are 2 versions of kernel one for 386 and the other one for P4 and celeron systems but they both have the same package name so how will it differentiate between the two |
| 16:38.06 | sorahn | you guys have more fun with that bot then any other IRC channel ive ever been to |
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| 16:38.16 | resiak | Phated: Okay. |
| 16:38.23 | resiak | cdc: No, they don't have the same package name. |
| 16:38.36 | resiak | Phated: Fair enough. I was just wondering... |
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| 16:38.46 | cdc | resiak, ooops sorry its 386 and 686 sorry didnt notice that |
| 16:39.15 | cdc | resiak, should i back up my data before installation ? |
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| 16:39.37 | resiak | cdc: Not in addition to your regular backups which you of course make. |
| 16:39.44 | MattF | if I want to join together a load of files that I have split, but don't have the space to do it, is it possible? |
| 16:39.46 | stew | of course |
| 16:40.09 | MattF | ie 2.8GB split into 500MB chunks on a 4GB disk |
| 16:40.20 | stew | MattF: you can join them one at a time |
| 16:40.30 | cdc | i hope that my current applications run as it is when i boot into my new kernel :-) |
| 16:40.30 | MattF | good idea |
| 16:40.32 | LSorensen | MattF: you can do one at a time like: cat file2 >> file1; rm file2; cat file3 >> file1; rm file3; cat file4 >> file1; rm file4; etc |
| 16:40.43 | MattF | good idea, thanks |
| 16:41.12 | xam | LSorensen: don't forget a 'rm file1' at the end ;) |
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| 16:41.19 | MattF | :S |
| 16:41.25 | LSorensen | xam: yeah that would be so useful :) |
| 16:41.56 | MattF | so what's the full way of cat'ing two files? |
| 16:42.08 | MattF | I am using GNUwin32 textutils |
| 16:42.20 | resiak | MattF: Then WTF are you asking on #debian? |
| 16:42.28 | MattF | cos i split the file in debian |
| 16:42.35 | xam | hahahaaha |
| 16:42.38 | MattF | and I am merging it together in windows |
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| 16:42.57 | MattF | tried to just FTP the file but it crashed my FTP server cos the file was too big |
| 16:42.59 | resiak | MattF: cat file1 file2 file3 file4 > onehugefile |
| 16:42.59 | MattF | so I had to split it |
| 16:43.04 | MattF | ok |
| 16:43.16 | MattF | so cat file1 file2 > output |
| 16:43.20 | MattF | rm file1 file2 |
| 16:43.31 | MattF | cat output file3 > output2 |
| 16:43.36 | cdc | resiak, should i change anything in Lilo or Grub |
| 16:43.40 | MattF | well, that could get confusing |
| 16:43.46 | cdc | resiak, i am using Grub should i change anything? |
| 16:43.47 | resiak | cdc: Debian does it for you. |
| 16:43.57 | Phated | Not lilo. |
| 16:44.18 | Phated | You need to edit (or at least check) the initrd bits in lilo when you install a kernel-image, don't you? |
| 16:44.20 | resiak | MattF: Cat just prints out the contents of every file you give it. You redirect that to another file. |
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| 16:44.29 | cdc | if its Grub not a problem is it? |
| 16:44.30 | resiak | Phated: Oh, okay. I didn't know. Thanks. |
| 16:44.33 | resiak | cdc: No, it's not. |
| 16:44.43 | Phated | resiak: The joys of lilo. |
| 16:44.48 | resiak | Phated: Use Grub :) |
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| 16:44.56 | Phated | Gross. |
| 16:45.04 | Zvpun | what does the readline key "\e[~" stand for? |
| 16:45.16 | greycat | Zvpun: whichever key sends ESC [ ~ |
| 16:45.25 | greycat | Zvpun: infocmp | less |
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| 16:46.22 | Zvpun | greycat: thanks |
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| 16:46.54 | jasz | damn that guy lipsyncing is good..... |
| 16:46.58 | MattF | resiak, I get that, thanks :) |
| 16:47.06 | alex | quick one, how do I get the space of my HD ? |
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| 16:47.19 | SP | df |
| 16:47.24 | smakks | or df -h |
| 16:47.39 | WageSlave | yea gotta like the human switch |
| 16:47.54 | jasz | question: is there any program that can be comparable to Adobe Illustrator.. for linux? |
| 16:47.58 | WageSlave | amazes me sometimes that people don't know the standard *nix stuff |
| 16:48.18 | WageSlave | didn't they have to deal with it in college? |
| 16:48.18 | MattF | WageSlave, it's rarely documented that well |
| 16:48.20 | WageSlave | heh |
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| 16:48.28 | smakks | I have trouble with tomcat4/ant does anybody have experience in that field? |
| 16:48.41 | stew | smakks: #java |
| 16:48.44 | jasz | smakks, #java |
| 16:48.47 | MattF | trouble with command line is that there's not some options that you can see what does what |
| 16:48.59 | MattF | unless you try every single possible combination of keys |
| 16:48.59 | petemc | MattF: command --help |
| 16:49.04 | MattF | which could take a while :S |
| 16:49.05 | stew | MattF: that's what manpages are for |
| 16:49.14 | MattF | yeah but if you don't know the command... |
| 16:49.17 | petemc | and man/info pages |
| 16:49.17 | MattF | that's what I mean |
| 16:49.33 | MattF | if you didn't know the the program called "df" was disk space free |
| 16:49.36 | stew | MattF: thats what google is for |
| 16:49.38 | MattF | how would you find out? |
| 16:49.41 | MattF | well yeah |
| 16:49.42 | MattF | or IRC |
| 16:49.46 | MattF | hence people ask here |
| 16:50.00 | smakks | well I'm not sure if it's a java problem... I think it's something debian specific. tomcat4 overwrites a config file wich doesn't happen under windows... but I'll try #java |
| 16:50.04 | greycat | WageSlave: the problem is that many of the newbies here haven't even *been* to college yet. |
| 16:50.43 | stew | my college certainly didn't teach us how to use unix stuff |
| 16:50.49 | MattF | u saying you need to go to college to learn how to find out basic things like "df"? |
| 16:50.51 | greycat | (also that many colleges seem to be using Windows instead of Unix) |
| 16:51.03 | SP | my college never taught me df |
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| 16:51.15 | MattF | or that people can't use unix until they go to college?! |
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| 16:52.03 | Phated | No, but one hopes that college would teach some sort of grammar. |
| 16:52.28 | RedPenguin | I know this isn't a smart idea, but has anyone gave Internet access to a machine through a dial-up modem then gave Internet through a NIC? |
| 16:52.30 | MattF | rarely |
| 16:52.32 | stew | Phated: I would hope that grammar would be en entrance requirement |
| 16:52.39 | cire | Do you know some RAID Controllers (SATA or ATA) which are fully supported by linux and don't need a software layer? (raid1 array shall look like one huge disk for linux). Are there any? |
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| 16:53.13 | WageSlave | The perc controller in my dell servers match that |
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| 16:53.25 | Phated | Yeah, but since we know that high school doesn't seem to teach any, I'd hope college did it. I mean, you have to turn in fucking papers, I hope you damn well don't type "u need 2 run this commanz". |
| 16:53.42 | WageSlave | they are just one disk to linux... unless I boot into the management softs to fuzt with the raid 5 |
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| 16:55.16 | Adeene | Hi! 'Debianitas' :) |
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| 16:55.44 | Phated | Do people never get sick of coming up wit collectives that simply -beg- for 800 responses? |
| 16:55.55 | cire | How may I see, which controllers match my criteria, and which don't? Or, does every raid controller work the way I want them to? |
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| 16:56.35 | jasz | is there a gtk/gnome program similar to KIllustrator? (Kontour?) |
| 16:56.36 | settledown | x-window-system-core is already at newest version, but it says samba and swat are not configured yet |
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| 16:56.41 | settledown | how do i configure them |
| 16:56.45 | settledown | properly |
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| 16:56.52 | MattF | I don't even have the space to join two files :( |
| 16:56.58 | MattF | that's annoying. |
| 16:57.41 | stew | MattF: spend 2 dollars on an 8 gig drive |
| 16:57.41 | sussudio | in soviet russia, PC chucks you |
| 16:57.54 | Chronoz | does debian have any special way to install styles, window decors and such stuff through apt-get or do you just compile from source? cuz i compiled some stuff and it just didnt work |
| 16:58.11 | MattF | stew, even then I'm trying to play games on a PC with half the minimum requirements of HL2 |
| 16:58.15 | MattF | which is what I want to play |
| 16:58.43 | Phated | Jeez, just... upgrade. Even -I'm- doing that, and I live in a rubbish country for PCs. |
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| 16:59.12 | settledown | how do i reconfigure samba? dpkg-reconfigure samba? |
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| 16:59.17 | MattF | well, I have a much better PC running debian, hence my presence here, but I can't get games to work in it |
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| 16:59.38 | Rawplayer | msn_immortalsing: stop querying people |
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| 17:00.28 | xabier98 | hi how can i redirect port tcp conection to local machine |
| 17:00.30 | MattF | Anyone got any experience running Half-Life 2 in Debian? |
| 17:01.04 | stew | xabier98: with the prerouting chain in iptables |
| 17:01.06 | WageSlave | probably need to take a step back and work on steam first. |
| 17:01.12 | MattF | got steam working |
| 17:01.15 | MattF | just no games |
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| 17:01.34 | xabier98 | need it restart |
| 17:01.36 | MattF | CS 1.6 gives me an opengl32.dll missing error that I can't work out |
| 17:01.37 | xabier98 | ? |
| 17:01.38 | WageSlave | then your already further than me ;) |
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| 17:01.41 | MattF | and HL2 just opens and closes |
| 17:01.46 | MattF | cvswinex is quite good |
| 17:01.56 | MattF | I've got UT:GOTY working apart from without sound |
| 17:01.59 | greycat | xabier98: man iptables; google.com/search?q=iptables |
| 17:02.02 | Arvind-NL | nvidia one-liner |
| 17:02.18 | Kamus | hola |
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| 17:03.52 | superSSS | Is there only 2.4.18 kernel iamge done for HPPA ? |
| 17:04.06 | settledown | setting up samba (3.0.10-1)... couldn't reopen stdin at /usr/sbin/update-inetd line 29 |
| 17:04.09 | settledown | what does that mean |
| 17:04.12 | nutshell42 | why does debian clean /tmp at boot? It seems much more sensible to do it when shutting down that way you won't lose the directory contents in case of a crash |
| 17:04.29 | greycat | nutshell42: if you need to keep any of it, use /var/tmp |
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| 17:05.24 | nutshell42 | greycat: I have a number of files that I want to be deleted automatically by the system. |
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| 17:05.46 | nutshell42 | It's just stupid if it's done because of a crash although I still wanted/needed that file |
| 17:06.12 | superSSS | Where can I get instructions on building kernel-image the debian way? |
| 17:06.23 | greycat | nutshell42: anything in /tmp is fair game to be deleted in the event of a crash. Deal. |
| 17:06.25 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: The debian way is to *install* kernel-image. |
| 17:06.44 | greycat | superSSS: /msg dpkg kp if you insist on being masochistic |
| 17:06.52 | superSSS | ricky_clarkson: I found only 2.4.18 kernel image for HPPA |
| 17:06.52 | bogon | superSSS: http://georg.f-451.net/debian/kernel.html |
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| 17:07.14 | LSorensen | superSSS: there is also kernel-package's make-kpkg that can be used to build a debian package from kernel source |
| 17:07.14 | nutshell42 | greycat: sorry but that's just stupid. What would you lose by cleaning it during a shutdown? |
| 17:07.15 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: make-kpkg I believe. |
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| 17:07.30 | LSorensen | superSSS: but I tend to avoid doing that unless I have a real good reason to build my own kernel |
| 17:07.38 | greycat | nutshell42: disk space, if you have leftover crud from 17 months of continuous uptime followed by a single crash. |
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| 17:07.52 | greycat | nutshell42: just fucking DEAL WITH IT. |
| 17:07.59 | nutshell42 | (actually I just rewrote the init scripts to do just that but I wanted to know if there's some sensible reason to do it) |
| 17:08.00 | greycat | nutshell42: if you want to change the behavior, cd /etc/init.d && ls && vi * |
| 17:08.09 | nutshell42 | greycat: FUCK U TOO |
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| 17:08.11 | nutshell42 | asshole |
| 17:08.18 | stew | buhbye |
| 17:08.33 | superSSS | LSorensen: I would like IPV6 to be enabled in the next kernel build...probably i cant find that option in kernel-image? |
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| 17:09.22 | Phated | No, but you can probably modprobe it. |
| 17:09.25 | synic | I have a linode running debian, but for some reason when I'm sshed in, I can't use my backspace key - it acts as though it's the delete key |
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| 17:09.28 | synic | how can I fix this? |
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| 17:10.05 | jono | hi all |
| 17:10.17 | cdc | i am installing the kernel 2.6.8.2 should i upgrade XF86 and other packages since i am upgrading my kernel? |
| 17:10.17 | greycat | synic: stty erase ^? |
| 17:10.21 | cdc | is that necessary? |
| 17:10.25 | greycat | there is no 2.6.8.2. |
| 17:10.32 | greycat | and no, it's not necessary. |
| 17:10.40 | jono | I am trying to remove apache2-mpm-prefork and it keeps failing saying invoke-rc.d cannot stop apache2 - it is not running, and I am unable to start it - how can I fix this? |
| 17:10.43 | cdc | its 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:10.44 | LSorensen | superSSS: debian kernels have ipv6 support already |
| 17:10.45 | cdc | right? |
| 17:10.50 | LSorensen | superSSS: at least in sarge they do |
| 17:10.53 | greycat | cdc: yes |
| 17:11.01 | cdc | :-) |
| 17:11.21 | superSSS | LSorensen: hmm, I installed debian with 2.4.17 kernel, and it doesnt have support |
| 17:11.21 | valentinos | can someone convert ext3 to reiserfs without lossing data? |
| 17:11.37 | jono | any clues? |
| 17:11.48 | WageSlave | synic you ssh client is set to the wrong term type... |
| 17:12.01 | synic | WageSlave: $TERM is set to xterm-color |
| 17:12.14 | LSorensen | superSSS: well what architecture is that? |
| 17:12.21 | greycat | WageSlave: term type does not affect the key bindings of the backspace key, or the termios ioctl binding of the "erase" character. |
| 17:12.22 | superSSS | LSorensen: parisc |
| 17:12.24 | LSorensen | superSSS: and which debian version (sounds like woody) |
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| 17:12.36 | superSSS | LSorensen: woody yes |
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| 17:12.39 | WageSlave | I usually use xterm emu over ssh... then the extra keys 'delete pup pdown' etc work |
| 17:12.48 | NaRCoT | I tried to install 'smb4k' on Debian kernel 2.6.10 and now my all system crashed... 'apt-get install smb4k' got the next error:'dpkg: error proccessing /var/cache/apt/archives/knetfilter*.deb trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/stop.png which is also in pkg kdelibs' what should I do |
| 17:12.50 | LSorensen | superSSS: I don't think woody had ipv6 by default, while sarge will. I wouldn't install woody on a machine anymore. Just way too old. |
| 17:12.52 | greycat | I don't know of any Debian release that has a 2.4.17 kernel by default. |
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| 17:12.59 | greycat | unless it's just different on his arch. |
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| 17:13.05 | LSorensen | greycat: 2.4.17 was common on non x86 for woody |
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| 17:13.21 | beeblebrox87 | when using gcj/gij, where is JAVA_HOME? |
| 17:13.34 | cire | okay, now I'll reask my question a little more dteailed. A friend uses a dawicontrol raid controller (the cheapest which was available). He configured a raid1 array with two disks. The problem is, that linux continues to recognize 2 discs instead of the raid array. Is this a cause of misconfiguration, or are there controllers which canot be used with linux? And if yes, how may I sort them out? |
| 17:13.40 | settledown | when in doubt....restart...it fixed my problem |
| 17:14.02 | superSSS | LSorensen: Ah, i found kernel-image-2.6.8-2-32 on sid for HPPA, guess i am gonna upgrade to sid first not to waste time on building my own kernel |
| 17:14.14 | WageSlave | cire sounds like the wrong driver is init the raid |
| 17:14.15 | NaRCoT | help anyone?? |
| 17:14.42 | cire | WageSlave: If you were right, how may he find this out? |
| 17:15.00 | adjacent_ | im having a brainfart. what package provides the standard C headers? |
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| 17:15.24 | greycat | !FAQ adjacent_ |
| 17:15.25 | dpkg | adjacent_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:16.02 | Kamus | alguna mina que hable español????? |
| 17:16.12 | sussudio | Kamus: tejon |
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| 17:16.13 | adjacent_ | haha. i know i _can_ read the FAQ again, but i was hoping to not have to wade through all that dtext to jog my meory ;) |
| 17:16.18 | NaRCoT | HELP: I tried to install 'smb4k' on Debian kernel 2.6.10 and now my all system crashed... 'apt-get install smb4k' got the next error:'dpkg: error proccessing /var/cache/apt/archives/knetfilter*.deb trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/stop.png which is also in pkg kdelibs' what should I do ? |
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| 17:16.52 | Kamus | buuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 17:17.16 | superSSS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.32 | stew | superSSS: how so? |
| 17:17.39 | stew | oh |
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| 17:17.47 | stew | superSSS: woody->sarge |
| 17:18.01 | nutshell42 | adjacent_: libc6-dev I think |
| 17:18.18 | ricky_clarkson | !woody->testing is <reply>see woody->sarge |
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| 17:18.42 | dalecp | hi. ppl, anyone can help me with: "can't see russian filenames in file manager" ? |
| 17:18.45 | adjacent_ | nutshell42: funny, i got it right as you said it. thanks =) |
| 17:18.52 | nutshell42 | np |
| 17:18.57 | sussudio | dalecp: in soviet russia, file manager sees you. |
| 17:18.58 | superSSS | which is more stable sarge or sid? |
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| 17:19.12 | usn | hi all |
| 17:19.18 | Marticus | sarge |
| 17:19.34 | dalecp | kde 3. |
| 17:19.43 | ricky_clarkson | Crazy bot. |
| 17:19.58 | cdc | i ve installed the kernel i ve got the following messages |
| 17:19.59 | cdc | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:19.59 | cdc | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 17:19.59 | cdc | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
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| 17:20.00 | ricky_clarkson | cmd: woody->testing works, but without the cmd: it doesn't. |
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| 17:20.08 | Marticus | hehe |
| 17:20.12 | cdc | is that all? |
| 17:20.22 | Kamus | gueon |
| 17:20.56 | cdc | i know |
| 17:20.58 | cdc | that |
| 17:21.02 | cdc | Marticus, |
| 17:21.48 | EdibleText | Im looking for a lightweight MTA to act as smarthost. It must support smtp auth on remote server. any suggestions? |
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| 17:22.14 | EdibleText | /on/for |
| 17:22.19 | sussudio | http://www.grimstveit.no/albums/fun/real_buffering.jpg |
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| 17:22.52 | thingfish | hehe that's a good one. |
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| 17:23.17 | Marticus | lol |
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| 17:24.11 | Marticus | should have put the tape all the way around it |
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| 17:25.45 | cdc | Marticus, could you help me pls |
| 17:26.03 | cdc | i ve installed the kernel should i install any other packages? |
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| 17:26.17 | cdc | i ve installed 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:26.36 | cdc | i am using Grub should i make some changes in any files? |
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| 17:27.15 | trouble | is there and gui app for configuring routing in debian ? |
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| 17:27.23 | trouble | any* |
| 17:27.42 | xam | trouble: gvim |
| 17:27.52 | xam | ;) |
| 17:27.52 | trouble | ty |
| 17:28.18 | kernalpanic | hey I have a problem...anyone know how to drop into command line from yaboot on an iBook...I'm running hoary btw |
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| 17:28.44 | xam | trouble: nope, that is just a graphical version of the vi editor. To configure your routes you have to edit your /etc/network/interfaces etc.# |
| 17:29.10 | Marticus | cdc find a howto or something |
| 17:29.10 | Guest | i can't get xstart to work |
| 17:29.15 | Marticus | I'm not familiar with grub |
| 17:29.32 | Marticus | and I build my own kernels, so I don't know what you need to go along with the kernel package |
| 17:29.44 | Marticus | most likely modules |
| 17:29.53 | Marticus | but it should pick those for you when you install |
| 17:30.01 | Marticus | at least it would make sense to do so |
| 17:30.14 | Guest | when i type startx (mistake in the last one) it doesn't recognise the command. Any help? |
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| 17:30.31 | DimGR{laptop} | Hello |
| 17:30.36 | setuid | Anyone know when/if autofs is going to be working in Debian? |
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| 17:30.54 | ricky_clarkson | !autofs |
| 17:30.55 | dpkg | well, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting |
| 17:31.03 | setuid | I've just followed 5 separate autofs HOWTO documents, and none of them work at all with the Debian autofs |
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| 17:31.22 | cdc | hey i ve installed the kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:31.27 | kernalpanic | I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the GRUB menu and drop directly recovery/single user mode?? |
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| 17:31.38 | saluteme | somebody told me i should install kernel-image2.6.8-2 but i only see kernel-image2.6.8-2-k7 is that what i want? |
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| 17:31.43 | cdc | its good |
| 17:31.43 | Guest | how does one use this forum? |
| 17:31.46 | cdc | enjoying it |
| 17:31.53 | setuid | Guest: its irc, not a forum |
| 17:31.54 | nutshell42 | setuid: afaik it works just fine. Only the post-install script is fscked up |
| 17:31.56 | trouble | anyone know a routing how for total noobs and i mean total ??? |
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| 17:32.08 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: You ask questions. But read the topic first (type /topic). |
| 17:32.15 | cdc | i want to remove the old Kernel Entry from Grub |
| 17:32.22 | cdc | what file should i edit for that purpose? |
| 17:32.26 | cdc | could anyone tell me ? |
| 17:32.32 | setuid | nutshell42: Funny, I have all of my devices mapped with udev.rules, to say... /dev/backup_X, where 'X' is a number of the partition. I have the right entries in auto.master and auto.removable, and autofs doesn't even _try_ to mount them. |
| 17:32.39 | Guest | what is the topic? where do i read it? |
| 17:32.41 | Phated | Don't. You want to keep it there just in case your new kernel can't boot. |
| 17:32.50 | setuid | For example: |
| 17:32.51 | setuid | backup_1 -fstype=auto :/dev/backup_1 |
| 17:32.51 | setuid | backup_2 -fstype=vfat :/dev/backup_2 |
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| 17:33.12 | setuid | Restarting autofs doesn't even show a single entry in the logs, and I'm cranked up to maximum verbosyt |
| 17:33.14 | Xaqueth | Can someone help me with Belkin Bluetooth USB dongle, I cannot get it to work ... |
| 17:33.14 | setuid | er, verbosity |
| 17:33.19 | cdc | Phated, shouldnt i comment those entries atleast? |
| 17:33.22 | schuler | I got to install and configure Linux with xfree86 4.3.0 on my new notebook MEDION MD 95400 |
| 17:33.23 | nutshell42 | setuid: that's strange, it works for my cdroms, I use devfs though |
| 17:33.38 | setuid | nutshell42: Are you hooking into hotplug to mount them? |
| 17:33.44 | sdogi | does that apt system create full list of installed packages somewhere? i mean i know it creates but where, can't figure it out |
| 17:33.46 | cdc | coz right now i ve got 4 entries 2 for the latest kernel and 2 for the old kernel |
| 17:33.48 | Phated | cdc: Er, no? If you can't boot into your new kernel, you go to the grub menu again and select an old kernel. |
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| 17:34.05 | cdc | oh ok |
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| 17:34.24 | saluteme | how do you tell if you should get 686 or 386 |
| 17:34.33 | sdogi | saluteme: what computer do you have |
| 17:34.39 | nutshell42 | setuid: why should I? |
| 17:34.46 | Guest | how do i change my name? |
| 17:34.50 | sdogi | saluteme: do you have some newer pentium or you have older one |
| 17:35.09 | kimcascone | anyone have time to help a n00b? :) |
| 17:35.15 | sdogi | saluteme: you aren't familiar with stuff like 386 486 etc ? |
| 17:35.16 | setuid | nutshell42: One of the howto documents I googled for said hotplug was required (and explained how, with some custom scripts) to get autofs working |
| 17:35.26 | EvanCarroll | !tell kimcascone about newb |
| 17:35.34 | stew | saluteme: what cpu do you have? |
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| 17:35.56 | sdogi | saluteme: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:36.04 | nutshell42 | setuid: In my case I use symlinks to the autofs locations. If I enter the directory with the symlinks autofs tries to mount the devices |
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| 17:36.18 | stew | saluteme: /msg dpkg 686, /msg dpkg k7, etc |
| 17:36.18 | sdogi | anyway, does someone know where does apt create installed packages list? |
| 17:36.24 | sdogi | the directory |
| 17:36.25 | kimcascone | I tried to load 'netatalk' on my iBook and it rebooted in the middle of the install and now when it tries to reboot it goes into kernal panic |
| 17:36.34 | setuid | hrm |
| 17:36.35 | setuid | Mar 2 12:35:35 angst automount[6615]: bad map format: found indirect, expected direct exiting |
| 17:36.37 | setuid | that's interesting |
| 17:36.37 | bodq | sdogi: use dpkg -l for heaven's sake |
| 17:36.40 | kimcascone | so I need to know how to get to recovery mode from yaboot |
| 17:36.58 | kimcascone | or if this is possible... |
| 17:36.59 | stew | sdogi: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:37.00 | sdogi | bodq: duh, can't you tell me the directory, well i guess i'll strace it then |
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| 17:37.12 | bodq | sdogi: good idea :) |
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| 17:37.14 | trouble | i have setup my debian for routing but everytime i boot it asign's the same ip regardless of wether the modem is pluged in or not, any sugesstions ? |
| 17:37.19 | setuid | oo, i think I got it working now |
| 17:37.34 | sdogi | stew: eh, thanks, there are lot of dirs but i guess i'll figure it out :) |
| 17:37.37 | saluteme | sdogi an old one its a 950mhz |
| 17:37.43 | stew | sdogi: thats a file |
| 17:37.54 | sdogi | ahh |
| 17:37.58 | kimcascone | is there a way to get to recovery mode from yaboot...I'm ppc ubuntu |
| 17:38.01 | sdogi | one file |
| 17:38.15 | stew | kimcascone: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 17:38.20 | setuid | hrm, this is going to suck |
| 17:38.21 | karsten | simonrvn: You awake? |
| 17:38.26 | kimcascone | I tried there and they sent me here... |
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| 17:38.33 | sdogi | ok, no problem, i just really loved slackwares /var/log/packages ,but this suits too |
| 17:38.39 | karsten | stew: I suggested s/he come here 'coz there's more yaboot / PPC types here. |
| 17:38.45 | karsten | kimcascone: Oi. |
| 17:38.48 | tweekken_ | ONE positive thing is they are drawing a TON of attention to debian |
| 17:38.50 | kimcascone | yeah they told me to ask simonrvn |
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| 17:38.52 | stew | kimcascone: check the /topic, try a mailing list |
| 17:38.57 | kimcascone | is she around? |
| 17:39.01 | saluteme | how do i know if i should pick a 386 or a 686 its an old computer 950mhz |
| 17:39.15 | karsten | kimcascone: He. I'm trying to roust him.... |
| 17:39.16 | trouble | routing ? |
| 17:39.21 | trouble | help ? |
| 17:39.23 | sdogi | saluteme: 19:35 < stew> saluteme: /msg dpkg 686, /msg dpkg k7, etc |
| 17:39.26 | karsten | kimcascone: may be asleep or at work... |
| 17:39.28 | stew | saluteme: if its 950mhz then you want 686 |
| 17:39.31 | sdogi | saluteme: try that, i don't know maby it helps |
| 17:39.33 | PerfDave | simonrvn is a she? |
| 17:39.36 | karsten | @seen simonrvn |
| 17:39.43 | saluteme | ok thanks |
| 17:39.44 | karsten | PerfDave: As much as I am. |
| 17:39.51 | sdogi | stew: sure about it? not very familiar but can't 586 be 900 mhz ? |
| 17:39.54 | karsten | !seen simonrvn |
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| 17:39.56 | dpkg | simonrvn is currently on #debian (19h 35m 8s) #debian-bots (19h 35m 8s). Has said a total of 55434 messages. Is idling for 6h 54m 29s |
| 17:39.57 | warty | c.dslextreme.com |
| 17:40.05 | jeebers | hi guys having a bit of a problem with a new installation.. outlined here on this post http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=296741 .. any ideas? |
| 17:40.09 | stew | sdogi: no, 586 maxxed out at 233 or 266 i don't remember which |
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| 17:40.14 | karsten | kimcascone: May be asleep. |
| 17:40.24 | sdogi | stew: ahh, ok |
| 17:40.36 | kimcascone | karsten: yeah I did a '/whois' for simon and he hasb't been on for 6 hrs |
| 17:40.44 | sdogi | actually it makes sense, i have a lot 586's here which are pretty shitty |
| 17:40.54 | quittt | !doom |
| 17:40.54 | dpkg | doom is, like, an old first person shooting game that spawned the likes of Quake and so on. The classic Castle Wolfenstein series spawned Doom. or There are several cool ports of doom, including zDoom (but it has major licensing problems, includes non-free code from Hexen) and DoomForge(doomGL.sourceforge.net) Doom Legacy is also cool. ... |
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| 17:40.57 | asg | kimcascone: he usually sleeps at 6 to 7 am EST |
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| 17:41.07 | karsten | kimcascone: I know his online habits, I think this is downtime. |
| 17:41.09 | rob0 | hey karsten: check out "whois send-safe.com": Status: REGISTRAR-HOLD, updated yesterday :) |
| 17:41.10 | kimcascone | ok thanks! asg |
| 17:41.26 | stew | quittt: /msg the bot |
| 17:41.38 | pipeline | stew: IIRC, all of the kernel packages are /compatible/ with any subset of the x86 ISA. They're just optimized for a particular one. |
| 17:41.38 | kimcascone | karsten: thanks |
| 17:41.38 | karsten | rob0: Yeah. |
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| 17:41.45 | karsten | rob0: Oh... Coolio. |
| 17:41.51 | karsten | rob0: Don's on crack, BTW. |
| 17:41.53 | me | can anyone help with getting an external monitor to run? |
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| 17:42.16 | jeebers | if a program like mozilla crashes.. where would the error logs be for it? |
| 17:42.19 | valentinos | how i can add "Direct Rendering" on my box what should i read to do it ? |
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| 17:42.21 | stew | pipeline: if they use instructions which don't exist on an earlier arch, they won't work on that arch |
| 17:42.21 | rob0 | :) |
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| 17:43.00 | karsten | jeebers: Run from shell with: 'mozilla 1> mozilla.log 2>&1' |
| 17:43.05 | shark_ | hello, can anyone help with freeradius please? |
| 17:43.08 | Guest | is this the place to ask qustions about debian to get some help? |
| 17:43.14 | karsten | jeebers: ...which will log all output. Try also ~/.xsession-errors |
| 17:43.16 | Coke | How come cdrecord can't burn a 4.3GB ISO on a 4.7GB DVD? |
| 17:43.24 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: It is *a* place. |
| 17:43.28 | ricky_clarkson | .. for that |
| 17:43.30 | stew | !tell Guest about ask |
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| 17:43.41 | karsten | Coke: adolescent recalcitrance? |
| 17:43.46 | karsten | !tell Coke about smart questions |
| 17:44.15 | NaRCoT | HELP Please...: I tried to install 'smb4k' on Debian kernel 2.6.10 and now my all system crashed... 'apt-get install smb4k' got the next error:'dpkg: error proccessing /var/cache/apt/archives/knetfilter*.deb trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/stop.png which is also in pkg kdelibs' what should I do ? |
| 17:44.19 | shark_ | hello, can anyone help with freeradius please? |
| 17:44.40 | stew | NaRCoT: check the bts for both packages |
| 17:44.41 | Guest | Can anyone tell me what the topic is - i'm very new |
| 17:44.43 | karsten | !tell shark_ about ask |
| 17:44.56 | NaRCoT | stew: check what ? |
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| 17:44.58 | shark_ | karsten, my radacct table seem to be missing |
| 17:44.58 | stew | Guest: type "/topic" in your irc client |
| 17:44.59 | Coke | karsten: what's wrong about that question? |
| 17:44.59 | jeebers | thanks karsten.. will have a look there |
| 17:45.05 | stew | !btssmite NaRCoT |
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| 17:45.17 | shark_ | karsten, some table are missing ? :S |
| 17:45.24 | karsten | Coke: It tells us nothing about what you did or what went wrong. |
| 17:45.29 | stew | NaRCoT: you failed to read the /topic |
| 17:45.30 | superSSS | wasnt it easier to upgrade a distribution, without the need to install aptitude? |
| 17:45.49 | Guest | thanks but when i type /topic in it says that there are too few parameters |
| 17:45.49 | karsten | shark_: If someone knows the answer and is on channel, they'll help you. Otherwise, try postign to a mailing list. |
| 17:45.55 | NaRCoT | stew: I don't have any browsers... |
| 17:46.06 | Noid | what is the debian way of setting up an infrared remote for a tv card, for a 2.6 kernel? lirc? is there another thing? |
| 17:46.09 | asg | NaRCoT: apt-get install lynx |
| 17:46.11 | stew | NaRCoT: install lynx | w3m | elinks |
| 17:46.12 | Coke | karsten: I have a 4.3GB ISO and cdrecord says a 4.7GB DVD has insufficient space. |
| 17:46.16 | bogon | Guest: try /topic #debian |
| 17:46.18 | beardy | Guest: type "/topic #debian" then |
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| 17:46.51 | karsten | Coke: NFC myself. I'd start googling. I'm not going to do it for you. |
| 17:46.56 | Vme- | when you SSH to your debian box where is the configuation for the banner you recieve after you login? |
| 17:47.04 | ricky_clarkson | Vme-: /etc/motd iirc |
| 17:47.08 | Coke | karsten: did I ask you to? |
| 17:47.14 | Vme- | lol, thanks |
| 17:47.14 | karsten | Vme-: /etc/issue.net |
| 17:47.23 | karsten | Coke: No, I just told you I wouldn't. |
| 17:47.24 | Guest | beardy: i did that and it told me who set the topic but not what it is |
| 17:47.31 | NaRCoT | stew: Is there a way to go back? I mean before smb4k deleted half of my system? |
| 17:47.34 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: What is your IRC client? |
| 17:47.35 | MattF | I appear to have got a 3D game working in Debian. |
| 17:47.35 | karsten | Coke: Some people expect channel to read the Web back to them. |
| 17:47.37 | MattF | w00t. |
| 17:48.06 | Guest | ricky: ircxpro messenger |
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| 17:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: People are always looking for THE answer. Never AN answer. |
| 17:48.24 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: 42. |
| 17:48.24 | stew | NaRCoT: smb4k didn't delete half of your system. you can remove it and install a older version by hand (with dpkg -i) if you download an older version (/msg dpkg sdn), read the apt-howto |
| 17:48.42 | stew | NaRCoT: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:49.06 | EvanCarroll | NaRCoT: /etc/debianversion |
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| 17:49.17 | Guest | i'm trying to install debian on my computer but when i type startx nothing happens |
| 17:49.30 | stew | Guest: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 17:49.40 | quittt | how do I make a .deb package using make install? |
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| 17:49.49 | Guest | stew: is that what i type in? |
| 17:49.51 | alemao | How do I dissble the "shell login"? |
| 17:49.51 | NaRCoT | EvanCarroll: 3.1 |
| 17:50.00 | NaRCoT | stew: 3.1 |
| 17:50.08 | bogon | Guest: yes |
| 17:50.20 | Phated | Guest: You type it in your irc client. |
| 17:50.31 | karsten | alemao: Explain. |
| 17:50.49 | NaRCoT | stew: EvanCarroll: kernel is: 2.6.10 |
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| 17:51.00 | stew | NaRCoT: i mean sid? sarge? ubuntu? |
| 17:51.06 | Guest | Phated: i did that but nothing happened |
| 17:51.12 | bogon | quittt: read the new maintainer's guide |
| 17:51.13 | NaRCoT | stew: Just Pure Debian |
| 17:51.16 | Phated | What irc client are you using |
| 17:51.17 | Phated | ? |
| 17:51.21 | asg | stew: yeah, /etc/debian_version is useless at the moment |
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| 17:51.25 | stew | yeah |
| 17:51.42 | Guest | Phated IRCXpro |
| 17:51.44 | asg | Phated: PhatedX, doesn't everyone? |
| 17:51.53 | stew | dpkg: tell Guest about set up x |
| 17:51.56 | Phated | WTF is IRCXpro? |
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| 17:52.02 | Phated | Oh, FFS. |
| 17:52.11 | alemao | karsten: Every XTERM or GNOME-TERMINAL oppened it is counted that a made a login! I want to disable this |
| 17:52.13 | jeebers | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=296741 |
| 17:52.14 | Phated | asg: I don't code. |
| 17:52.28 | NaRCoT | stew: EvanCarroll: any ideas ? |
| 17:52.36 | asg | Phated: get asuffield to do it then ;) |
| 17:52.36 | karsten | alemao: You don't understand your question. Don't worry about it. |
| 17:52.38 | stew | NaRCoT: i gave you a whole bunch of them |
| 17:52.41 | EvanCarroll | i wasn't paying attention |
| 17:52.49 | EvanCarroll | =[ |
| 17:52.51 | Phated | asg: OK, when he appears and bitches, it was -your- fault, you hear? |
| 17:53.04 | bogon | alemao: do you start xterm with the -ls option? |
| 17:53.12 | stew | NaRCoT: if there is no bug on either of those packages you should be filing one, you also didn't mention if you were on sid or sarge |
| 17:53.25 | jeebers | karsten: 'mozilla 1> mozilla.log 2>&1' you suggested this.. can you tell me what taht does roughly |
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| 17:53.30 | asg | Phated: bah |
| 17:53.31 | alemao | no without any options!! And I want to disable the utmp update by a conf file |
| 17:53.38 | KayJ | hi all |
| 17:53.38 | stew | NaRCoT: and the bts should tell you how to fix it if there is a bug filed |
| 17:53.42 | NaRCoT | stew: how do I know, I thought it's just called Debian. |
| 17:53.53 | KayJ | can i use knoppix to resize my linux swap partition? |
| 17:53.57 | karsten | jeebers: It redirects all standard output and standard error to a file 'mozilla.log' |
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| 17:54.01 | stew | !faq NaRCoT |
| 17:54.02 | dpkg | NaRCoT: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:54.06 | KayJ | i accidentelly left some free room on my hdd |
| 17:54.11 | NaRCoT | stew: and I check bts in 'bugs.debian.org' ? |
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| 17:54.21 | karsten | jeebers: If there's any debugging / error output, you can read that file. |
| 17:54.28 | asg | KayJ: just make another one, both can be used at the same time. |
| 17:54.30 | stew | NaRCoT: did you read the topic yet? |
| 17:54.30 | karsten | KayJ: Yes. 'qparted' is recommended. |
| 17:54.32 | alemao | bogon: no without any options!! And I want to disable the utmp update by a conf file |
| 17:54.50 | stew | NaRCoT: or the faq? |
| 17:54.58 | karsten | KayJ: ...though rather than resizing, just create another swap partition with the free space. It's _far_ easier and works just as well. |
| 17:55.15 | TCW | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296914 <- would anyone suggest a quick-fix (even if it is a "dirty" hack) for this problem? It is gnome-volume-manager related |
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| 17:55.42 | NaRCoT | stew: I'm reading it now... |
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| 17:56.05 | KayJ | karsten, actually i would like to resize several partitions at once |
| 17:56.11 | KayJ | 1: fat32 |
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| 17:56.31 | KayJ | 2. swap and 3. ext3 + ntfs from windows |
| 17:56.36 | jeebers | karsten... hmm thank.. will try that.. only problem is it takes 3 hours or so before it actually crashes.. just been hving a look at kde system guard... looks like the vmsize for mozilla-bin process is getting bigger and bigger all the time.. might this be the reason.. and if so is there a a way i can stop this happening? |
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| 17:57.15 | karsten | KayJ: OK. In which case qparted is your tool. BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST, THIS IS YOUR FIRST, LAST, AND ONLY WARNING. |
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| 17:57.21 | vahid | hello |
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| 17:57.39 | vahid | what is equal of "rpm -qa " in debian ? :) |
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| 17:57.46 | jeebers | moxilla-bin = vmzize 929,628 and rising |
| 17:57.46 | karsten | jeebers: Memory leaks are an issue. You can run your browser under a debugger but it's *really* slow. |
| 17:57.52 | karsten | vahid: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | jeebers: flash in the page ? |
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| 17:58.12 | jeebers | yea |
| 17:58.18 | abrotman | jeebers: i've seen it before |
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| 17:58.23 | jeebers | plays a flash video |
| 17:58.24 | karsten | jeebers: File a bug on memory leak. It's really not enough info for the devs, but it's a datapoint. |
| 17:58.25 | vahid | karsten, i need learn lot of thing in debian |
| 17:58.25 | Coke | karsten: fyi, if you're interrested, cdrecord simply does not record > 100 minute DVD's it seems. answer: use dvdrecord instead. :) |
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| 17:58.34 | vahid | karsten, i still can run X |
| 17:58.36 | jeebers | php file process 5 big videos in a loop |
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| 17:58.53 | karsten | jeebers: Google "click to play flash". There's a stylesheet hack you can use to prevent Flash from automatically playing. |
| 17:58.56 | KayJ | karsten, do i have to adjust my linux distro (suse) prior or after resizing? |
| 17:58.59 | cahoot | Coke: unless you pay |
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| 17:59.04 | karsten | Coke: Interesting. |
| 17:59.07 | llahm | Is there anybody here from Israel who can explain how daylight savings time works in your locale? From what I read the government changes the data every year. |
| 17:59.12 | vahid | i can run X in debian ( netinstall) /usr/bin/X11/X no such file ........... |
| 17:59.14 | abrotman | KayJ: wrong channel |
| 17:59.17 | karsten | vahid: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 17:59.19 | jeebers | karsten: but i want flash to play |
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| 17:59.27 | karsten | vahid: "Debian Reference" and "APT HOWTO" are *strongly* recommended. |
| 17:59.31 | Coke | cahoot: I don't mind paying the authors of dvdrecord, as long as the software remains free. |
| 17:59.42 | abrotman | KayJ: are you asking us how to use parted in suse? |
| 17:59.46 | vahid | karsten, tnx |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | even worse |
| 17:59.55 | cahoot | Coke: was referring to cdrecordprodvd |
| 17:59.56 | abrotman | KayJ: #knoppix |
| 17:59.58 | infodroid | !tell vahid about reference |
| 17:59.58 | karsten | KayJ: Your bootloader should still work, particularly if it's GRUB. If you're using LILO and move your kernel, you'll need to rerun 'lilo' after resizing. |
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| 18:00.19 | karsten | KayJ: lilo directly addresses the kernel offset in disk blocks. GRUB reads the filesystem. |
| 18:00.26 | Coke | cahoot: yeah. like I said, I don't mind paying, but I do mind using non-free software. :) |
| 18:00.33 | KayJ | ok, i am using lilo |
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| 18:00.41 | karsten | jeebers: It *will* play. You just get the option of _not_ playing it unless you want to., |
| 18:00.49 | superSSS | Is there another step, when you update kernel-image with newer, do you have to erase the old one to work? |
| 18:01.09 | abrotman | jeebers: in this channel .. do not /msg people without permission |
| 18:01.09 | karsten | superSSS: No. |
| 18:01.18 | karsten | superSSS: ...unless you're out of space ;-) |
| 18:01.29 | abrotman | jeebers: and no .. i didn't .. i think i took flash out of one of my browsers :) |
| 18:01.33 | karsten | superSSS: Your bootloader needs to know you've got a new kernel, usually Debian handles that for you. |
| 18:01.55 | superSSS | karsten: ok |
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| 18:02.00 | abrotman | jeebers: ask the channel for your browser |
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| 18:02.27 | jeebers | abrotman: sorry i don't follow? ask the channel for your browser? |
| 18:02.29 | zOap | Heres a tip for people struggling with linux and wifi: If you get an ordinary lan card to work, just buy a small(batterydriven) accesspoint. I've a 3COM which runs on both battery and ordinary electricity. It could be a nice option if you have some out of the ordinary setups... |
| 18:02.33 | KayJ | karsten, does qparted edit lilo stuff too? on its own? or do i have to edit lilo manually? |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | jeebers: which browser? |
| 18:02.44 | jeebers | sorry mozilla |
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| 18:02.48 | Ben | hello everybody...i posted a question on the debian-user mailing list and got nowhere...instead of doing a cut and paste (it's a bit lengthy), i will simply send the link to my posting and hopefully, someone here can help me solve this problem..thanks...here's the link: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg00164.html |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | jeebers: so go to irc.mozilla.org and ask on the #mozilla channel |
| 18:02.59 | karsten | KayJ: I don't believe so. |
| 18:03.05 | jeebers | k |
| 18:03.09 | jeebers | will have a look |
| 18:03.23 | KayJ | huh? do i have to do it manually or not??? |
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| 18:04.07 | karsten | KayJ: Well, if it doesn't, then yes, manually. |
| 18:04.10 | priest | after the installation and in the first "apt-get" the system ask which "prompt level" it should be to ask questions about to update configfiles, how do i change this option afterward? |
| 18:04.15 | abrotman | ben: did you add the initrd part to grub ? |
| 18:04.29 | Ben | no |
| 18:04.32 | karsten | jeebers: click-to-play: http://www.squarefree.com/userstyles/xbl.html |
| 18:04.33 | abrotman | priest: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | ben: there's a good place to start |
| 18:04.51 | stew | priest: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 18:04.56 | Ben | i simply pointed to the boot image |
| 18:04.58 | doublehp | I want to compile lirc module; I actually use debian pre-build kernel; I have understand that I must anyway recompile a kernel; I did "apt-get install kernel-package kernel-source-2.6.10" and "make menuconfig"; the conf look OK; how do I build the kernel in the Debian way ? |
| 18:04.58 | karsten | !click to play flash |
| 18:04.59 | dpkg | click to play flash is probably http://www.squarefree.com/userstyles/xbl.html |
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| 18:05.03 | Orfeous | hi everyone! need some help over here :P |
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| 18:05.07 | priest | stew: thanks |
| 18:05.09 | abrotman | stew: oh .. good catch .. i thought he just watned any random package ... |
| 18:05.18 | karsten | !tell Ofabout ask |
| 18:05.19 | Orfeous | when i try to ínstall a new package.. i have an error.. |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | this is why i'm 6 years old |
| 18:05.27 | stew | heh |
| 18:05.31 | abrotman | karsten: failed! |
| 18:05.32 | ricky_clarkson | I knew it! |
| 18:05.32 | Orfeous | files list file for package `libxml1' is missing final newline |
| 18:05.36 | karsten | !tell Orfeous about smart questions |
| 18:05.44 | jharrisonwk | ladjfllqwe wqelrjslafj! |
| 18:05.47 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
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| 18:05.48 | stew | Orfeous: check the bts |
| 18:05.51 | jharrisonwk | @#$ #@$% @#^ @#$^ #$% @#%$! |
| 18:05.54 | Orfeous | bts? |
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| 18:06.01 | karsten | Orfeous: apt-get update |
| 18:06.04 | abrotman | karsten: <karsten> !tell Ofabout ask |
| 18:06.06 | karsten | Orfeous: Reload your package lists. |
| 18:06.13 | stew | Orfeous: read the /topic |
| 18:06.16 | karsten | !tell Orfeous about bts |
| 18:06.22 | abrotman | jharrisonwk has a pussy cat! |
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| 18:06.27 | Orfeous | karsten: i have allready updated list.. |
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| 18:06.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I do? |
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| 18:06.44 | jeebers | karsten.. but this is a machine that just plays flash ads.. "Click to play" does that not mean i'll have to click to play a flash file every time.. this isn't a desktop machine its a kiosk type machine that just plays flash advertisements in a loop there is no human interaction once up and running |
| 18:06.46 | karsten | Orfeous: Re-run. You've got a corrupted package file. |
| 18:06.51 | Ben | abrotman...i used the exact same (cut and paste) stanza in grub that i used to boot the old kernel...in fact, i left the old kernel stanza in there and can still boot into it...so how come that stanza / kernel finds root, but the the stanza doesn't |
| 18:07.01 | Orfeous | karsten: i have re-runned it 5 times |
| 18:07.05 | karsten | jeebers: That's sad. |
| 18:07.08 | abrotman | ben: that doesn't make it right |
| 18:07.12 | jeebers | sad? |
| 18:07.12 | Ben | the new stanza i mean |
| 18:07.16 | cire | how may I get the uptime of my machine? (how long it has been running since now) |
| 18:07.23 | EvanCarroll | cire: uptime |
| 18:07.23 | ricky_clarkson | uptime |
| 18:07.24 | stew | cire: uptime |
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| 18:07.28 | abrotman | ben: when oyu install 2.4.18-1-686 .. it tells you about setting up the initrd .. if you fail to do so .. your system will not boot |
| 18:07.32 | karsten | jeebers: are the flash ads HTML or local? There are standalone players. |
| 18:07.35 | cire | sometimes it's that simple. Sorry. |
| 18:07.38 | jeebers | local |
| 18:07.42 | karsten | Orfeous: Well, you didn't *say* that, did you? |
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| 18:07.43 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes it will |
| 18:07.46 | karsten | !tell Orfeous about esp |
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| 18:07.50 | Coke | karsten: and now dvdrecord says that my 4.7GB DVD is a 700MB CD. |
| 18:07.52 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you dont know what you are talking about |
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| 18:07.55 | ricky_clarkson | cire: "How do I find out which javac I'm using?" which javac |
| 18:07.59 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no more drugs for you |
| 18:08.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :( |
| 18:08.04 | Guest | i installed sarge but when i type startx nothing happens. I tried the following "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" but i got the following message 'Package discover is not available but is refeered to by another package. Package discover has not installation candidate'. Can any one help? |
| 18:08.13 | RedPenguin | I am following the kernel compiling insturctions and did --initrd but I get this after trying to install the .deb |
| 18:08.14 | Orfeous | karsten, i said that i have runned it allready |
| 18:08.15 | karsten | Coke: Are you sure it's a DVD? Is your burner DVD-capable? |
| 18:08.15 | RedPenguin | Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
| 18:08.17 | jeebers | karsten: its dynamic.. managment server updates mysql database telling it what files to play |
| 18:08.21 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it only boots if *everything* you need is in kernel .. which apparently is not his case |
| 18:08.24 | ricky_clarkson | cire: "How do I time apt-get dist-upgrade?" time apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:08.29 | Orfeous | hmmppf.. i dont get any further here.. |
| 18:08.33 | jeebers | karsten: so php does all the donkey work therefore has to be in browser |
| 18:08.35 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: well it should be |
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| 18:08.36 | Orfeous | bye |
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| 18:08.42 | stew | abrotman: but with grub, you shouldn't have to worry about the initrd, right? |
| 18:08.46 | LSorensen | Coke: dvdrecord? what is that? |
| 18:08.47 | karsten | Orfeous: Please don't argue, believe it or not we're trying to help. Re-fetching package lists is a first, easy step. |
| 18:08.50 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you didn't read the problem |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | stew: wrong |
| 18:08.56 | karsten | lamer. |
| 18:08.59 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: of course I didnt |
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| 18:09.08 | stew | abrotman: of course i didn't either |
| 18:09.15 | infodroid | Guest: try apt-get install discover2 |
| 18:09.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im doing actual work unlike some people I know |
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| 18:09.21 | abrotman | stew: check your menu.lst if you're running a debian kernel somewhere |
| 18:09.30 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i'm fucking waiting for shit to finish .. |
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| 18:09.35 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yeah yeah |
| 18:09.36 | Coke | LSorensen: utility in dvdrtools package to replace cdrecord because cdrecord cannot write more than 4GB DVD's. |
| 18:09.37 | Guest | infodroid: what is discover? |
| 18:09.38 | asg | abrotman: eat more fiber |
| 18:09.38 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: me too |
| 18:09.40 | LSorensen | Coke: I know what cdrecord is, and what growisofs is, as well as cdrecord-prodvd. I use cdrecord and growisofs for cd and dvd respectively since they are the best tools for it |
| 18:09.44 | infodroid | Guest: s/discover2/discover1 |
| 18:09.49 | EvanCarroll | !tell Guest about discover |
| 18:09.50 | jharrisonwk | hehe more fibre |
| 18:09.52 | jharrisonwk | thats funny |
| 18:09.55 | abrotman | you try zipping 1.5GB and then uploading it so your boss can download it |
| 18:09.57 | stew | abrotman: and? |
| 18:09.58 | abrotman | karsten: exlax |
| 18:10.05 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok done |
| 18:10.12 | Coke | LSorensen: have you burned a 4.7GB DVD? |
| 18:10.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: wasnt so hard either |
| 18:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Write to a DVD. |
| 18:10.17 | abrotman | took my machine an hour to zip it |
| 18:10.20 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. You're familiar with it ;-) |
| 18:10.23 | Coke | LSorensen: with >4GB of data that is |
| 18:10.29 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i can't .. she's fucking in Detroit . i'm in philly ... |
| 18:10.32 | LSorensen | Coke: if it is the hacky patched cdrecord, don't bother with it. It was meant to work on the pioner a03 and nothing else |
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| 18:10.34 | LSorensen | Coke: growisofs -Z /dev/dvdhdc=someimage.iso |
| 18:10.37 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what are you using, 486? |
| 18:10.37 | LSorensen | Coke: sure many times |
| 18:10.39 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Postal service? |
| 18:10.40 | abrotman | not everything is a 10 minute train ride like it fucking is in england |
| 18:10.42 | stew | abrotman: i checked my menu.list, and there is an initrd line there for my debian kernels that was automatically put there by update-grub... |
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| 18:10.47 | abrotman | it's a fuckign island for christ's sake |
| 18:10.47 | jharrisonwk | she is fuckign in Detroit? |
| 18:10.52 | jharrisonwk | where will she be fucking next? |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | i hope so .. she needs it |
| 18:11.05 | Ben | abrotman, well when i ran dpg -i it did, in fact create the initrd image...keep in mind that when i select the new kernel at the grub menu prompt...it *does* boot the kernel into RAM, it only panics at the point of trying to find / |
| 18:11.05 | Coke | LSorensen: how come growisofs will work? doesn't it just use cdrecord? |
| 18:11.14 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: English trains make a 10 minute journey into a 30 minute wait followed by a 20 minute journey. |
| 18:11.17 | LSorensen | Coke: no. it's a dvd writing tool. it only does dvd. |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | ben: please double check your initrd setting |
| 18:11.28 | LSorensen | Coke: they name is leftover from it's start and a very bad name |
| 18:11.34 | Coke | LSorensen: where is it? apt-file can't find it |
| 18:11.37 | LSorensen | Coke: it comes from dvd+rw-tools |
| 18:11.40 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: right ... now think going on a train from london to rome |
| 18:11.49 | LSorensen | Coke: which now also supports dvd-r, dvd+r and dvd-rw |
| 18:11.54 | LSorensen | Coke: so that name too is bad |
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| 18:12.06 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: 2.5 hours to Paris, 2 hours more to Milan, 2 hours more to Rome. |
| 18:12.14 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ok .. then farther :) |
| 18:12.15 | Coke | LSorensen: oh, but that looks like the ticket. crappy cdrecord and dvdrecord, niether will work properly with large DVD's. |
| 18:12.23 | LSorensen | Coke: but for writing cds, you use cdrecord and/or cdrdao, and for dvd you use growisofs. |
| 18:12.25 | abrotman | i think .. i'd suspect it to be a 8 hour train ride |
| 18:12.34 | jharrisonwk | I love installing oracle |
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| 18:12.38 | ricky_clarkson | Or however it's spelled. |
| 18:12.46 | jharrisonwk | its the most exciting thing I have ever done in my life |
| 18:12.46 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: "TGV", saves hassle. |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: we have no TGV here |
| 18:12.57 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Don't you backward people have aeroplanes? |
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| 18:13.01 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: we have amtrak .. and the acela .. which apparently sucks |
| 18:13.05 | Coke | LSorensen: right on. |
| 18:13.08 | Coke | LSorensen: thanks |
| 18:13.08 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: only biplanes |
| 18:13.12 | Ben | abrotman, unfortunately i'm not at that station...but what i can't figure out is why there are two identical stanzas in menu.1st....one points to the old image, which boots and finds / and the other points to the new image, which also boots, than panics when it tries to mount / |
| 18:13.14 | jharrisonwk | backward people? |
| 18:13.18 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you are backwards? |
| 18:13.19 | LSorensen | Coke: growisofs is also much nicer to work with. you can either do growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J -othermkisofsoption somedir, or use -M instead of -Z to appeand files to an existing dvd, or -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso to burn an existing image |
| 18:13.30 | Coke | karsten: as you can see, both cdrecord and dvdrecord sucks plenty of ass and growisofs is the way to burn DVD's. :) |
| 18:13.33 | tweekken_ | there might not be US inter-city trains anymore in a couple of years if TARDs in US congress get their way |
| 18:13.33 | abrotman | ben: unless oyu show me the lines .. i can't tell you |
| 18:13.41 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: apparently .. ask ricky_clarkson |
| 18:13.42 | greycat | !start a dvd war |
| 18:13.42 | Coke | LSorensen: that = syntax seems weird |
| 18:13.52 | Coke | greycat: my DVD has the most pr0n |
| 18:13.56 | LSorensen | Coke: cdrecord-prodvd works too, but is harder to use and not open source/free |
| 18:13.58 | Ben | ok |
| 18:13.59 | karsten | Coke: Sorry, only following marginally, but noted. |
| 18:14.01 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: are you forwards then? |
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| 18:14.08 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Progressive, I'd say. |
| 18:14.16 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: righteo |
| 18:14.26 | LSorensen | Coke: but I agree the growisofs syntax is odd, but it's so simple to use when you get used to it. |
| 18:14.31 | karsten | jharrisonwk: No, that's leftish. |
| 18:14.33 | LSorensen | Coke: things like k3b supports it too |
| 18:14.41 | jharrisonwk | karsten: lefteo |
| 18:14.48 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: The US just made capital punishment of minors illegal, a *long* time after the UK. |
| 18:14.52 | greycat | dpkg, start a dvd war is <reply> ((DVD+|DVD-) sucks (rotten |) (ass|balls|shit)|(cdrecord|cdrecord-ProDVD|growisofs|dvd+rw-tools|dvdrecord) is the best!!!11!) |
| 18:14.52 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:14.55 | greycat | !start a dvd war |
| 18:14.55 | dpkg | growisofs is the best!!!11! |
| 18:15.10 | greycat | hmm, I think I have an extra space in it. |
| 18:15.15 | Coke | LSorensen: unfortunately, I didn't specify the speed and it set the speed to 2.5x for some reason. :( |
| 18:15.26 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: kill the little rugrats |
| 18:15.26 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: That's hard for mere mortals to read. |
| 18:15.32 | jharrisonwk | thats stupid |
| 18:15.45 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: fixed it in /msg. |
| 18:15.49 | takatumi | stew: iirc, the do_initrd=yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf controls the menu.lst initrd line addition. |
| 18:15.49 | jharrisonwk | I say let the murderers run around free |
| 18:15.57 | jharrisonwk | we ought to pay them |
| 18:16.02 | karsten | jharrisonwk: oreo? |
| 18:16.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Ah, (rotten|) is rotten or nothing. I see. |
| 18:16.23 | stew | takatumi: ahh, ok |
| 18:16.36 | jharrisonwk | we should be at least feeding them for the rest of their lives |
| 18:16.39 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Fix them. |
| 18:16.49 | Coke | LSorensen: have you seen any progress on the dual layer dvdr's lately? here in europe they are so expensive that I can buy five single layer dvdr's for the price of one dual layer. |
| 18:16.56 | jharrisonwk | they should get metals for each person they kill |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | medals |
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| 18:17.06 | jharrisonwk | medals |
| 18:17.19 | ricky_clarkson | Killing them doesn't fix them, it shows that the state doesn't know how to fix them. |
| 18:17.20 | jharrisonwk | and who cares about the victums loved ones |
| 18:17.23 | jharrisonwk | they are stupid |
| 18:17.27 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I used that technique heavily in CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 18:17.36 | jharrisonwk | its too bad the murderers didnt get them too |
| 18:17.37 | jharrisonwk | damn it |
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| 18:18.12 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: dict justice; dict revenge |
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| 18:19.03 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: does that bother you? |
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| 18:19.10 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: what if they cannot be fixed? |
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| 18:19.23 | Guest | i can't apt-get install discover2. anyone know why? |
| 18:19.25 | tweekken_ | so simple just pay a prison gang to eliminate the little murders |
| 18:19.31 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: we have a fix here |
| 18:19.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: its sure to work |
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| 18:19.44 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: That is so unlikely that the state could afford to keep those few in jail. |
| 18:20.07 | jharrisonwk | the problem is no one wants to face the consequences of their actions |
| 18:20.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: If they can't be fixed, they can be conscripted. |
| 18:20.10 | slocate_ | is sid "stable" these days? |
| 18:20.11 | jharrisonwk | they just want to get away with it |
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| 18:20.20 | stew | slocate_: never |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: and give them guns ? |
| 18:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | slocate_: for what meaning of stable? |
| 18:20.29 | jharrisonwk | people dont have the fucking balls to deal with the actions they take |
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| 18:20.36 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Yes. |
| 18:20.41 | tweekken_ | sid is never stable |
| 18:20.41 | mohohaha | anyone familiar with dns bind |
| 18:20.46 | jharrisonwk | people are not machines you can FIX |
| 18:20.49 | slocate_ | ricky_clarkson lol does it run |
| 18:20.59 | stew | !fix jharrisonwk |
| 18:21.01 | jharrisonwk | if you take someones life you forfit your own |
| 18:21.08 | ricky_clarkson | slocate_: Be more specific. |
| 18:21.09 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: good plan |
| 18:21.14 | RedPenguin | When you use the command, make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd, does it not make the initrd, just tell it that it is to have an initrd.img? |
| 18:21.18 | infodroid | Guest: i meant discover1 |
| 18:21.18 | tweekken_ | circumstances of taking a life |
| 18:21.23 | EvanCarroll | Anyone here good with courier-mta that knows how to fix a bouce with 'SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT to <mail_adress_sent_to@evancarroll.com> host evancarroll.no-ip.com [67.77.195.138]: 513 Relaying denied. |
| 18:21.37 | RedPenguin | I made a new kernel like it said but I can't find the new initrd.img |
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| 18:21.51 | RedPenguin | It as in README.gz |
| 18:21.57 | moebius | hi! |
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| 18:22.16 | stew | EvanCarroll: is evancaroll.com in hosteddomains and esmptpacceptmailfor.dir? |
| 18:22.24 | moebius | i recently recompiled my 2.6.10 kernel on laptopt and now when I attach my usb mouse I get this error: khubd timed out on ep0in |
| 18:22.24 | stew | EvanCarroll: did you run makehosteddomains and makeacceptmailfor? |
| 18:22.38 | Guest | infodroid: what if it doesn't work? |
| 18:22.42 | dvs | moebius: Get 2.6.11 ;-) |
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| 18:22.48 | infodroid | Guest: what version debian you running there? |
| 18:23.02 | takatumi | RedPenguin: did you use --initrd with make-kpkg? |
| 18:23.04 | moebius | dvs, debian has only 2.6.10 for the moment |
| 18:23.16 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Check your invite. |
| 18:23.22 | EvanCarroll | stew: evancarroll.com is in locals, and smtpaccess/defaults |
| 18:23.33 | dvs | moebius: Did you compile the kernel from Debian's kernel source? |
| 18:23.41 | moebius | dvs, yep |
| 18:23.45 | dvs | moebius: ok |
| 18:23.52 | stew | EvanCarroll: neither of those matter, you need to do the two i mentioned, the two make commands have manpages |
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| 18:23.58 | Guest | infodroid: i'm on windows at the moment as i don't know very much about debian. I down loaded the first 5 cd's of sarge the other day. Not sure what version |
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| 18:24.10 | EvanCarroll | stew: I dont even have the util makehosteddomains |
| 18:24.20 | EvanCarroll | stew but ill do makeacceptmailfor |
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| 18:24.31 | stew | EvanCarroll: how did you install courier-mta? |
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| 18:24.54 | bony | oops |
| 18:25.16 | stew | EvanCarroll: woody or sarge? |
| 18:25.33 | Steven_ | someone will probably throw a rtfm at me, but is it possible to do a dpkg-buildpackage and not build all packages that it would build otherwise ? I don't want to build x-clients for example |
| 18:25.39 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadgerbadgerrrrrrrrrrrrtm |
| 18:25.45 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadgerbadgerrrrrrrrrrrrtfm |
| 18:25.53 | infodroid | Guest: its crazy that you can't install discover OR discover1 |
| 18:25.59 | EvanCarroll | stew: sarge |
| 18:26.10 | stew | !find bin/makehosteddomains sarge |
| 18:26.14 | EvanCarroll | stew: yes to courier-mta, and courier-imap, and courier-imap-ssl |
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| 18:26.26 | faser | hi all |
| 18:26.41 | abrotman | poor weasel |
| 18:26.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:26.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/makehosteddomains' (1): (/usr/sbin/makehosteddomains) in mail/courier-mta. |
| 18:26.52 | takatumi | poor pants |
| 18:26.55 | stew | EvanCarroll: ^^^ |
| 18:27.14 | stew | EvanCarroll: if you installed courier-mta, you have makehosteddomains |
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| 18:28.19 | EvanCarroll | stew: yea your right, lol its cat thats returning 'no such file or directory' not bash my confusion =/ |
| 18:28.22 | Steven_ | ok |
| 18:28.48 | stew | mkay |
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| 18:29.23 | Bootz | What's the smallest/cheapest qwerty device i could use for webbrowsing and ssh? |
| 18:29.46 | stew | a keyboard out of a local dumpster? |
| 18:29.46 | infodroid | Bootz: you can try an EEG interface |
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| 18:30.31 | LSorensen | Coke: 2.4/2.5x is rather fast given most dvd writers do 4x or 8x max, and it does depend on the type of media. if the drive doesn't support that media well it is likely to drop to 2x or so. I have that problem with some media I bought that is supposed to be 8x, but my 8x drive says it won't go faster than 2x on it. |
| 18:30.32 | greycat | infodroid: uh... if you mean what you literally said, they're not quite up to that level yet in the primate-brainwave-cursor-movement experiments. and it's not qwerty. |
| 18:30.34 | Bootz | i meant a device that could use the cellular network...like pocket pc, etc.. |
| 18:30.43 | quittt | do you know a descent port of Doom for LINUX? |
| 18:30.45 | EvanCarroll | stew: after reading the man page on makehosteddomains, it sounds like locals is a better option is goes on to say that the difference is locals removes the fqdm from the address before the mailbox is looked up which is exactly what im looking for it to do |
| 18:30.57 | LSorensen | Coke: to get full speed you have to make sure your firmware is up to date and you are using media known to work with your drive at that speed |
| 18:31.04 | greycat | quittt: you mean other than the libc4 one from 1995? |
| 18:31.25 | infodroid | greycat: right, i should pull these trodes off and get a reality check |
| 18:31.57 | greycat | infodroid: also, it fails the "cheap" requirement. |
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| 18:32.21 | xarg | hi ... what could possibly be the problem if I can ping a host but when I try and connect to some service the packets do not appear to go out the proper interface |
| 18:32.24 | stew | EvanCarroll: which autthlib are you using |
| 18:33.00 | greycat | xarg: my first guess would be PEBKAC. |
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| 18:33.02 | ralf | Hola |
| 18:33.04 | EvanCarroll | stew: pam i believe |
| 18:33.34 | asg | quittt: there used to be a nice doom hack that allowed you to manage your system processes by fragging them. That was some time ago though. |
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| 18:33.40 | EvanCarroll | stew: im logged in now as a local user via smtp and i didn't add it anywhere, so i just assumed that part was working |
| 18:34.06 | ralf | i'm tryng reiser on my /home just now |
| 18:34.08 | ralf | amazing |
| 18:34.10 | ralf | http://chicca.ath.cx:2005/reiser |
| 18:34.17 | greycat | I think one of the better Doom implementations for Linux is called "Legacy Doom" or simiar |
| 18:34.21 | greycat | similar* |
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| 18:34.25 | ralf | note that i have a slow 2.5hdd (laptop) |
| 18:35.05 | bogon | asg: yes, it's called psdoom |
| 18:35.14 | asg | bogon: that's it |
| 18:35.27 | bogon | http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:35.31 | stew | EvanCarroll: had you run makeacceptmailfor before asking here? |
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| 18:35.44 | stew | EvanCarroll: looks like you might be right about locals, i havne't used pam with courier-mta though |
| 18:35.54 | bony | anyone recommend a weeny mp3/usb flash drive that works with linux usb? |
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| 18:36.51 | Blissex | bony: practically all. Make sure you choose one that handles many write cycles |
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| 18:37.58 | bony | Blissex, thx, they work like mass storage? |
| 18:38.09 | EvanCarroll | stew: no but after having added it and running makeacceptmailfor still no joy |
| 18:38.48 | Blissex | bony: yes. |
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| 18:39.00 | xarg | greycat: ya but what'd I do wrong? iproute stuff? I have 2 interfaces on the box I am trying to connect FROM. I followed the directions in the LARTC doc to have the box respond on the interface it recieved the connection on |
| 18:39.16 | RedPenguin | Do you need to do mkinitrd on a new kernel compile? |
| 18:39.23 | RedPenguin | Oh nvm |
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| 18:39.28 | EvanCarroll | stew: im not getting 513 but the mail isn't being delivered to mailbox =/ |
| 18:39.29 | RedPenguin | takatumi, yes |
| 18:39.30 | rhalff | hi would it be possible to start a bios upgrade disk which I've made, through grub ? |
| 18:39.33 | RedPenguin | But I still can't find initrd.img |
| 18:39.42 | stew | EvanCarroll: well thats progress |
| 18:39.46 | greycat | xarg: unless you *really* used some advanced lartc stuff to route packets differently based on procotol, destination port, etc.... then I'd say you're misreading the results of whatever diagnostic tool you're using. |
| 18:40.11 | EvanCarroll | stew: I agree fully! i spent probably 5hrs trying to get that far |
| 18:40.13 | bony | cool. is it possible to have a mass storage device to come up with a consistent device name? Currently camera or exernal HD comes up as /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:40.27 | Blissex | bony: dream on... |
| 18:40.32 | bony | hehe |
| 18:40.35 | xarg | greycat: I am misreading the results of telnet host 25? |
| 18:40.38 | danuvius | I'm updating my debian testing and apache2 and a lot of php4 were kept back, so I went for the dist-upgrade, but then it sudenly wants to install caudium (I don't need another webserver), how can I find out what package is depending on acudium? |
| 18:40.38 | stew | EvanCarroll: sorry, i had been ignoring #courier today |
| 18:40.46 | RedPenguin | It even asked me before I made it, that it is going to make an initrd and if I was sure I wanted to continue |
| 18:40.53 | Blissex | bony: some people have been working on that kind of stuff, but in a slightly different way. |
| 18:40.54 | greycat | xarg: "telnet host 25" does not say "I am now routing packets out the eth0:23 interface" in my experience. |
| 18:40.57 | jstevens | you all are gonna love this question... for the user account "nobody" ... is there a default password? |
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| 18:41.06 | greycat | jstevens: no |
| 18:41.19 | infodroid | bony: use udev |
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| 18:41.28 | jstevens | greycat: blank doesn't work... |
| 18:41.30 | bogon | danuvius: try apt-cache rdepends caudium |
| 18:41.35 | Blissex | bony: the main problem is how to _identify_ a device, so you can say ''*this* device always comes up as X''. Suppose you have 2 otherwise identical USB sticks.. |
| 18:41.38 | greycat | jstevens: which drugs are you on? |
| 18:41.43 | jstevens | greycat: I can su to nobody |
| 18:41.47 | greycat | jstevens: so? |
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| 18:41.56 | jstevens | greycat: lol... just goofing off, that's all |
| 18:42.02 | robin_sz | ok, so in 'less' when I press v, it invokes some crazy editor instead of vi or vim, despite me installing vim .. how do I make it use vim please? |
| 18:42.05 | greycat | jstevens: man 5 passwd |
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| 18:42.13 | bony | yes, bit of a pain with things in fstab |
| 18:42.16 | Blissex | bony: so there are schemes that instead ensure that the same _partition_ can always be mounted at the same _mountpoint_, not matter which device it comes up as. |
| 18:42.44 | jstevens | lol.. will do |
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| 18:42.57 | Blissex | bony: check the various volume/UUID options in 'man 8 mount'. |
| 18:43.08 | trouble | when i do a netinstall of debian can i connect my cable moden directly to the comp ??? |
| 18:43.20 | bony | Blissex, thanks, looking now... |
| 18:43.21 | infodroid | bony: easy udev guide http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php |
| 18:43.26 | greycat | trouble: try it. |
| 18:43.30 | trouble | i did |
| 18:43.31 | robin_sz | and just what is this crazy editor anyway? nano? should I just rm it and make it a symlink to vi? |
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| 18:43.41 | trouble | says i need a dhcp server |
| 18:43.54 | bony | infodroid, thanks, looking there too |
| 18:44.03 | xarg | greycat of course it doesn't. however the 2 machines in question are on the same subnet. |
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| 18:44.35 | danuvius | bogon: the packages that ar kept back are none of them in that list |
| 18:44.44 | xarg | ip route get smtp_server shows the proper interface |
| 18:44.58 | trouble | so i have to have a dhcp server to do a netinstall ?? |
| 18:45.14 | bogon | robin_sz: did you set VISUAL or EDITOR accordingly? |
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| 18:45.28 | robin_sz | bogon: nope |
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| 18:46.00 | bogon | robin_sz: well, are the defined? |
| 18:46.05 | bogon | s/the/they/ |
| 18:46.22 | robin_sz | bogon: nope |
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| 18:47.37 | robin_sz | bogon: and the 'less' man page says it invokes vi if neither are defined |
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| 18:47.52 | bogon | robin_sz: yes |
| 18:47.58 | mirak | hi |
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| 18:48.08 | robin_sz | bogon: but it doesnt, should I submit it as a bug? |
| 18:48.17 | mirak | with wich tool can I test the hard drive ? |
| 18:48.57 | ralf | mirak: bonnie++ |
| 18:49.17 | ralf | mirak: for performances or for failures? |
| 18:49.25 | settledown | i downloaded firefox and installed it....now how do i start it? |
| 18:49.32 | stew | settledown: "firefox" |
| 18:49.38 | settledown | is ther no icon to start firefox? |
| 18:49.40 | ralf | or mozilla-firefox |
| 18:49.42 | settledown | or desktop alias |
| 18:49.45 | greycat | I'm very afraid of the phrase "downloaded firefox AND INSTALLED IT". |
| 18:49.50 | greycat | That implies he didn't apt-get install mozilla-firefox. |
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| 18:49.54 | stew | settledown: it should be in the debian menu if you wm supports it |
| 18:49.54 | dvs | settledown: make one |
| 18:49.58 | takatumi | RedPenguin: do you have the initrd.img in /boot/ ? |
| 18:50.01 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 18:50.01 | settledown | i did not apt-get it |
| 18:50.06 | greycat | settledown: then you're a fool. |
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| 18:50.08 | stew | settledown: you are on your own then |
| 18:50.08 | jetscreamer | !fool |
| 18:50.08 | dpkg | According to Murphy's law, nothing is fool proof. Also, if you make anything even a fool can use, only fools will use it.. Moses |
| 18:50.12 | settledown | i went to the site with mozilla |
| 18:50.16 | stew | settledown: why? |
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| 18:50.24 | bogon | robin_sz: I think so |
| 18:50.26 | settledown | why what? |
| 18:50.34 | jetscreamer | settledown, try apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 18:50.35 | RedPenguin | Well that is what I was thinking was the problem but I wasn't sure where to look in the kernel source for the correct .img |
| 18:50.36 | ralf | why don't use apt? |
| 18:50.36 | settledown | i went to firefox and dloaded firefox for linux |
| 18:50.39 | stew | settledown: why not use apt-get? |
| 18:50.42 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 18:50.46 | RedPenguin | I see init as a dir but I don't see any initrd.img |
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| 18:50.53 | robin_sz | bogon: 'k .. my chance to try reportbug then :) |
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| 18:50.57 | stew | heh |
| 18:51.06 | asg | !fool =~ s/fool proof/foolproof/ |
| 18:51.06 | dpkg | OK, asg |
| 18:51.28 | settledown | ok im am brand new to linux, but isnt the idea of a gui to make things easy for the non-tech user? |
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| 18:51.57 | asg | settledown: no, it's a different way of working with computers. It doesn't necessarily make it easier. |
| 18:52.04 | infodroid | !tell settledown about mgmt |
| 18:52.18 | Ronin | settledown: its certanly more familiar feeling to new users though |
| 18:52.51 | asg | Ronin: I gave up using GUIs when I learned you had to drag a drive to a trash can. |
| 18:52.56 | jeebers | in kde.. there is kde system guard.. is there a similar program in gnome? |
| 18:53.12 | paster | "niki" at 217.15.96.18 pasted "test" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/301 |
| 18:53.16 | Ronin | asg: think my wife woudl kill me if i dumbed the gui |
| 18:53.22 | Ronin | nice spam psyBNC`tr |
| 18:53.23 | asg | Ronin: :) |
| 18:53.26 | settledown | im trying to get to know linux and learn it and use it, but if i goto a webstie and dload the software, and install it, then how is this a bad thing to do? ignoring the virus type issues |
| 18:53.46 | stew | settledown: you should read the apt howto |
| 18:54.21 | jetscreamer | settledown, you can do it anyway you like, but you need to do things the debian way, mostly, to be able to get help when you need it |
| 18:54.23 | settledown | so what you are telling me is that i can use a gui to dload and install an app, but i then have to go to cli to start it? |
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| 18:54.44 | jetscreamer | settledown, just make you one of those "shortcuts" |
| 18:54.44 | Ronin | settledown: no it should appear in the menu of whatever wm you run |
| 18:54.44 | mirak | ralf for failure |
| 18:54.46 | bogon | robin_sz: can you show me the output of "ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor"? |
| 18:54.50 | stew | settledown: no, if you had used debians package management then the icons and menu items would have been created for you |
| 18:54.51 | settledown | gnome |
| 18:54.54 | jetscreamer | settledown, you should try update-menus |
| 18:55.03 | dvs | settledown: we're saying that you could have downloaded it directory from Debian and it would be supported here |
| 18:55.19 | settledown | hmm |
| 18:55.38 | settledown | my first impression of linux.... |
| 18:55.40 | ralf | mirak: i dunno, try `dd if=/dev/XXX of=/dev/null bs=4M` |
| 18:55.41 | takatumi | !faq settledown |
| 18:55.41 | dpkg | settledown: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:55.42 | robin_sz | bogon: ahh, a symlink to nano |
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| 18:55.52 | emergo | im trying to get a logitech 4000pro webcam working. lsusb shows it and I installed the pwc module. but vlc give me main decoder error: failed to create video output |
| 18:55.52 | robin_sz | I just rm that right? |
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| 18:56.05 | Trograin | How do I mount ntfs disks so that all users get read rights ? /etc/fstab is the file I mount them in so they are automaticly mounted allso. but how should a proper line look like so that ALL users get the rights to read?? |
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| 18:56.21 | bogon | robin_sz: vim is installed? |
| 18:56.26 | robin_sz | yep |
| 18:56.30 | jetscreamer | Trograin, make fstab say users, not user |
| 18:56.31 | tull | hello |
| 18:56.34 | RedPenguin | takatumi, my /boot has initrd.img-2.4.18 which I believe is the one I need but lilo or dpkg wants to use initrd.img |
| 18:56.35 | dwango | Trograin, in fstab, use option "umask=0222" |
| 18:56.38 | Trograin | aaahhhh |
| 18:56.41 | tull | can anyone help me installing ati drivers? |
| 18:56.48 | bogon | robin_sz: then change the link using update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 18:56.53 | Trograin | Thanx people |
| 18:57.03 | jetscreamer | RedPenguin, ln -sn boot/initrd-blah /initrd.img |
| 18:57.04 | robin_sz | bogon: uh, OK .. |
| 18:57.07 | takatumi | RedPenguin: edit it and point to the right one. |
| 18:57.11 | bogon | robin_sz: this will show you a list of all possible alternatives for "editor" |
| 18:57.26 | jetscreamer | !tell tull about ati |
| 18:57.29 | robin_sz | bogon: ahh, cute. |
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| 18:57.51 | mirak | ralf problem is there is no verbose to see where it is |
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| 18:57.59 | stew | robin_sz: you might wanna --config the vi alternative as well |
| 18:58.24 | tull | jetscreamer thanks |
| 18:58.56 | robin_sz | bogon, stew: ta |
| 18:59.02 | jetscreamer | tull, don't thank me yet, some ppl have a hard time w/it :/ |
| 18:59.05 | robin_sz | right ... now back to my original task |
| 18:59.10 | bogon | robin_sz: debian compiled less with --with-editor=/usr/bin/editor but forgot to reflect that change in the manpage |
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| 18:59.19 | robin_sz | ripping out this exim thing ... |
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| 18:59.42 | stew | tull: if you dont' need 3d acceleration you can stick with the free driver |
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| 19:00.11 | tull | stew i do need the 3d acceleration |
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| 19:00.21 | robin_sz | bogon: right, ive always been impressed by the bug-squashing in debain, even in manpages, im sure it will work out down the list eventually |
| 19:00.22 | stew | bogon: file a bug against the documentation |
| 19:00.32 | tull | stew i cant even see openGl screen savers properly |
| 19:00.39 | dwango | tull: then you need ati's drivers |
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| 19:00.52 | robin_sz | bogon: filed a bug about 2 minutes ago |
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| 19:01.01 | LSorensen | dwango: or a non ati video card :) |
| 19:01.01 | tull | dwango ok. |
| 19:01.17 | infodroid | tull: try glxgears to test things out |
| 19:01.28 | bogon | robin_sz: okay |
| 19:01.36 | jetscreamer | somebody send me a radeon9800 so i can learn about how to install ati drivers |
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| 19:01.51 | robin_sz | right, now .. the pain of installing qmail ... presumably there is some way to say "remove exim, install qmail, and dont rip out all the things that depend on a MTA in the process" ?? |
| 19:02.03 | tull | infodroid 190.00 |
| 19:02.16 | jetscreamer | robin_sz, dselect has that functionality |
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| 19:02.17 | LSorensen | robin_sz: like apt-get install qmail-src, and then go follow whatever instructions it requries to build? |
| 19:02.24 | infodroid | tull: the point is, that glxgears is working! |
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| 19:02.30 | Empty | Is there any way from the command line to tell if a box is usung sdram or whatever? |
| 19:02.32 | LSorensen | robin_sz: you can also use dpkg --force-depends -r exim, then dpkg -i qmail |
| 19:02.39 | robin_sz | LSorensen: no, its available from dotdebs |
| 19:02.44 | LSorensen | Empty: maybe using the lm-sensors/i2c eeprom reader |
| 19:02.44 | tull | infodroid still i should be getting at least 1700.00 |
| 19:02.52 | robin_sz | LSorensen: ahh, K, ta |
| 19:02.55 | danuvius | Found the problem package. |
| 19:02.58 | infodroid | tull: you're not running ppc by any chance? |
| 19:02.58 | LSorensen | robin_sz: well it's not supposed to be |
| 19:03.02 | Empty | LSorensen, eek, OK thanks |
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| 19:03.04 | LSorensen | robin_sz: given that would violate the license |
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| 19:03.17 | tull | infodroid no. |
| 19:03.20 | LSorensen | Empty: dimm's have a SPD eeprom on them that can be read that way |
| 19:03.27 | danuvius | does anoyone knows wy php4 depends on caudium-php4??? |
| 19:03.34 | tarzeau | there was this very anti-but-informative(true) debian faq, does someone remember where it is? |
| 19:03.40 | LSorensen | danuvius: I was wondering about that too. seems like a bug. |
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| 19:04.07 | robin_sz | LSorensen: probably .. but I appluade dotdebs for making it easy and djb can just be happy that ive endured the pain of qmail before in the past, ive done my time. |
| 19:04.13 | LSorensen | danuvius: although it appears it depends on either caudiium, apache or apache2 php modules |
| 19:04.24 | LSorensen | robin_sz: or you could use a sensible mailer instead |
| 19:04.33 | robin_sz | LSorensen: no alternatives sadly |
| 19:04.48 | LSorensen | robin_sz: postfix, exim, lots of good mail systems not under such an annoying license |
| 19:05.07 | robin_sz | LSorensen: but I need virtual domains, web based user admin, webmail ... |
| 19:05.07 | tull | installing this cards are much more difficult here than slackware! |
| 19:05.09 | danuvius | LSorensen: true, but I have the apache2-php4 installed (one webserver is enough ;) |
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| 19:05.21 | ggl_6 | hi |
| 19:05.23 | LSorensen | robin_sz: courier does wonder ful webmail, and virtual domains are not hard to do in exim |
| 19:05.35 | infodroid | tull: maybe take a look at this, if you haven't already |
| 19:05.46 | ggl_6 | where can I find gcc's header files? |
| 19:05.47 | RedPenguin | takatumi, I just deleted the lilo stuff from when I used the 2.4.18 kernel image, then dpkg -i'ed mine, and lilo had no errors |
| 19:05.49 | infodroid | !tell tull about ati debs |
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| 19:06.00 | Ronin | robin_sz: not to push qmail but qmailrocks.org has it all set up so even a windows user can follow it |
| 19:06.04 | RedPenguin | I think it saw the old kernel which was the same version just the precompiled one, and got confused |
| 19:06.05 | LSorensen | robin_sz: qmail has no feature good enough for me to even consider running it. |
| 19:06.08 | Ronin | well mostly that is |
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| 19:06.47 | takatumi | RedPenguin: that didn't make sense, but if it works, good. |
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| 19:07.09 | RedPenguin | I think I wored it wrong, but still |
| 19:07.13 | settledown | is apt-get the only way to add software to debian |
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| 19:07.21 | settledown | the debian way |
| 19:07.28 | Ronin | settledown: no but its certainly the best way |
| 19:07.28 | WageSlave | hehe |
| 19:07.37 | tdsfan | is there any way to make Debian limit it's bandwidth usage to some level so my bittorrent doesn't use up my whole connection |
| 19:07.42 | WageSlave | is a gas station the only way to add fuel to an auto? |
| 19:07.47 | LSorensen | settledown: apt-get or dpkg -i blah.deb. there are frontends to apt-get like aptitude and synaptic of course, but they still call apt-get |
| 19:07.53 | infodroid | settledown: you can use unstable and live on the edge |
| 19:07.54 | WageSlave | no but it the easyiest best safest way. |
| 19:07.54 | stew | tdsfan: man btdownloadcurses |
| 19:07.56 | asg | tdsfan: most bt clients support bandwidth limiting |
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| 19:08.09 | LSorensen | tdsfan: you could ask bittornado to limit it's use. that is an option |
| 19:08.17 | bogon | tdsfan: at least bittornado does |
| 19:08.22 | settledown | is that a debian thing or a linux thing |
| 19:08.33 | stew | settledown: debian |
| 19:08.44 | tull | im new at this! can anyone explain me why i need to get the kernel source to install fglrx? |
| 19:08.53 | takatumi | RedPenguin: are you on woody? |
| 19:08.57 | LSorensen | tdsfan: like --max_upload_rate 10 for example |
| 19:08.59 | stew | tull: you don't, you only need the kenrel headers |
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| 19:09.08 | settledown | is there a list of the software available through apt-get |
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| 19:09.18 | stew | settledown: packages.debian.org |
| 19:09.19 | asg | settledown: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 19:09.19 | LSorensen | settledown: apt-cache search can help find stuff |
| 19:09.22 | takatumi | settledown: apt-cache search |
| 19:09.24 | jetscreamer | tdsfan, make bittorrent limit it, it's in settings or what LSorensen said.... man btdownloadgui and btdownloadcurses |
| 19:09.30 | dvs | settledown: aptitude, dselect, synaptic |
| 19:09.32 | tull | stew so just apt-get install kernel-headers-xxxx |
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| 19:09.44 | ggl_6 | wow, nobody uses dselect anymore? |
| 19:09.47 | tull | stew and install the drivers? |
| 19:09.54 | LSorensen | settledown: with btlaunchmanycurses it shares that limit across all torrents at once |
| 19:10.01 | bogon | ggl_6: I do |
| 19:10.01 | LSorensen | ggl_6: no one sane at least |
| 19:10.02 | asg | ggl_6: never used it to begin with |
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| 19:10.07 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 19:10.20 | jetscreamer | you mean nobody who doesn't mind unmet dependencies |
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| 19:10.29 | stew | tull: yes |
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| 19:10.36 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: apt-get and aptitude are far superior to dselct |
| 19:10.39 | stew | tull: make sure you get the headers for your running kernel |
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| 19:10.45 | stew | tull: what does uname -r say |
| 19:10.52 | dvs | LSorensen: What about aptitude? |
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| 19:11.13 | jetscreamer | ggl_6, / to search in dselect |
| 19:11.16 | LSorensen | dvs: it's a nice curses frontend to apt-get that is much better and easier to use than dselect |
| 19:11.18 | settledown | ok then what is the best irc client for debain |
| 19:11.23 | settledown | debian |
| 19:11.26 | tull | stew 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:11.27 | asg | settledown: irssi-text |
| 19:11.29 | PRO1 | has anyone got a decent install guide for debian (as a dedicated server) |
| 19:11.30 | dvs | !best |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:11.35 | tull | stew 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:11.40 | LSorensen | settledown: I second irssi-test |
| 19:11.42 | asg | PRO1: /msg dpkg ig and install the harden-doc package |
| 19:11.43 | LSorensen | er text |
| 19:11.44 | jetscreamer | LSorensen, not really.. they 'may' have repaired aptitude by now |
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| 19:11.52 | settledown | ok noob irc client |
| 19:11.53 | RedPenguin | Yep |
| 19:11.54 | jetscreamer | and apt-get is fine for most things |
| 19:11.56 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: yeah they have. it works very well. |
| 19:11.56 | sepski | settledown, if you want something gui then i like xchat |
| 19:11.59 | stew | tull: then you should be good to go, also check out /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 19:12.05 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: initially it was pretty bad |
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| 19:12.18 | settledown | im using xchat aqua right now |
| 19:12.21 | PRO1 | asac right |
| 19:12.27 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: too bad dselect is still quite bad |
| 19:12.27 | jetscreamer | LSorensen, that's when i used it :/ |
| 19:12.30 | PRO1 | thanks alot |
| 19:12.41 | karsten | settledown: You'll get over it. |
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| 19:12.46 | tull | stew thanks! got to reboot brb |
| 19:12.54 | jetscreamer | dselect has an ugle selection menu, that's the only problem anybody has with it |
| 19:12.55 | chino | if i want to setup ip masqurading and make a linux router do i have to have static ip's or can i have one interface use a dhcp address ? |
| 19:12.58 | jetscreamer | ugly |
| 19:12.58 | settledown | but you see i like gui |
| 19:13.06 | settledown | i dont like cli |
| 19:13.07 | jetscreamer | it FUNCTIONS |
| 19:13.14 | LSorensen | settledown: I like working, fast, efficient, reliably. |
| 19:13.19 | Ronin | settledown: learn it though, it will make your life much easier |
| 19:13.20 | karsten | chino: Either. |
| 19:13.21 | settledown | me too |
| 19:13.22 | jeebers | how to id kill mozilla remotely or from the comand like.. can i do a kill mozilla-bin |
| 19:13.25 | LSorensen | settledown: and working in screen over ssh is handy too |
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| 19:13.41 | karsten | chino: shorewall actually makes this really basic. |
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| 19:13.44 | karsten | jeebers: 'killall' |
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| 19:13.45 | LSorensen | jeebers: look at killall |
| 19:13.46 | asg | settledown: use what you like and works for you. It's easier for *us* to help people who are familiar with CLI because irc is a text medium. |
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| 19:13.55 | jetscreamer | it's mozilla-browser to start it, not sure what it's called when it's running |
| 19:14.11 | jeebers | mozilla-bin in the processor list anyhow |
| 19:14.13 | karsten | jeebers: ps aux | grep [m]ozi |
| 19:14.14 | jetscreamer | err plus ver # |
| 19:14.21 | jetscreamer | k |
| 19:14.38 | karsten | jeebers: You can also kill processes from 'top' |
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| 19:15.07 | jeebers | ps aux just lists it.. i need to kill it |
| 19:15.10 | chino | is there any gui front ends to uif ? |
| 19:15.14 | jeebers | how do i do that |
| 19:15.19 | jetscreamer | apt-get install internet explorer ..... omg! |
| 19:15.29 | dvs | D'oh! |
| 19:15.31 | jeebers | trying to create a script to effectively restart the app |
| 19:15.38 | LSorensen | jeebers: you can either kill the process number listed in ps, or you can killall the process name listed in ps |
| 19:15.41 | karsten | chino: WTF is uif? |
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| 19:15.49 | jetscreamer | kill -HUP or something like that |
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| 19:16.07 | jeebers | k.. so 'killall mozilla-bin' would do it then? |
| 19:16.11 | chino | its a debian package for controlling ip filtering |
| 19:16.12 | karsten | chino: aptitude install shorewall. cd /usr/share/doc/shorewall/default-config/; cp * /etc/shorewall; cd /etc/shorewall. |
| 19:16.22 | chino | i dont want a firewall |
| 19:16.27 | chino | im using uif to control iptables |
| 19:16.28 | karsten | chino: In 'masq': eth1 eth0 |
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| 19:16.45 | karsten | chino: ...masquerades all of eth1 out over eth0 |
| 19:16.54 | robin_sz | LSorensen: I haven't seen any web-based admin packages for exim that give the same functionality as qmailadmin and vpopmail |
| 19:17.04 | karsten | chino: masq *is* a firewall function. If you don't want other rules, don't set 'em up. If you do, it makes 'em easy. |
| 19:17.05 | chino | karsten: are you talking about using shorewall ? |
| 19:17.19 | karsten | chino: ...otherwise, read the Masquerade HOWTO. |
| 19:17.24 | karsten | chino: Because IT WORKS. |
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| 19:17.48 | LSorensen | robin_sz: well have a look at courier then. it has a lot of virtual host stuff and webmail and such. Of course I have never wanted to have a web interface for creating and managing users, so I have no idea what that would take |
| 19:17.49 | karsten | chino: ...I've typically written my own masq configs. I've just started using shorewall. It's good. |
| 19:18.02 | chino | i use slackware and i have like 2 little lines that can configure ip tables i come in here and poeple tell me to use uif in debian to control ip tables easilly and its not working really |
| 19:18.17 | jetscreamer | i don't want a firewall i want iptables... |
| 19:18.20 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 19:18.22 | LSorensen | chino: never heard of uif. I use shorewall |
| 19:18.29 | karsten | chino: TMTOWTDI |
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| 19:18.34 | chino | shorewall is a firewall package |
| 19:18.48 | karsten | chino: Yes, you can just use your own hand-rolled stuff. |
| 19:18.49 | chino | uif just automates iptable setup for you at boot |
| 19:19.02 | chino | in slack i just used a couple simple ip table rules |
| 19:19.16 | karsten | chino: "firewall" == IP filtering. Network masquerading is an iptables function. |
| 19:19.19 | chino | i was gonna use a 3rd party package on my freinds debian box but you guys told me debian had a native version |
| 19:19.29 | sussudio | asg: 3 badgers on the badgercam |
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| 19:19.42 | asg | sussudio: rock! |
| 19:19.45 | karsten | chino: In shorewall, you've got ~4 lines to edit and you're set. |
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| 19:19.51 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerpeanutpeanut |
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| 19:20.11 | karsten | sussudio: sssnnnaaaaaaakkkke! |
| 19:20.12 | asg | sussudio: hungry little critters |
| 19:20.23 | robin_sz | LSorensen: courier is the pop/imap interface, vpopmail is a bulk virtual domain mail hosting thing .. I'll be using courier, but its not an MTA, so its not relevant to the qmail or exim choice surely? |
| 19:20.36 | sussudio | asg: in russia, they get the fattest. like 40 kilo's of fatass badger. |
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| 19:20.47 | LSorensen | robin_sz: courier has pop/imap/pop-ssl/imap-ssl/vhost/authentication/users/smtp/everything |
| 19:20.52 | karsten | chino: If you don't like my advice, you're entitled to a full refund. |
| 19:20.53 | robin_sz | yes |
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| 19:21.15 | asg | sussudio: sizable |
| 19:21.29 | sussudio | asg: i think they called it tubby |
| 19:21.30 | robin_sz | LSorensen: its an interface to an MTA, not an MTA in itself |
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| 19:21.55 | robin_sz | LSorensen: so it doesnt have smtp AIUI, but it does have all the other things youlisted |
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| 19:22.13 | LSorensen | robin_sz: it is also and mta. otherwise I don't know what courier-mta and courier-mta-ssl are for |
| 19:22.15 | asg | sussudio: hehe |
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| 19:22.18 | asg | sussudio: like my cat |
| 19:22.43 | LSorensen | robin_sz: courier-mta - Courier Mail Server - ESMTP daemon |
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| 19:22.56 | robin_sz | LSorensen: hmm, OK, so howcome I can have Courier and Exim installed on this box concurrently then? |
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| 19:23.17 | LSorensen | robin_sz: because courier is modular enough that you can use just parts of it. I tend to run courier-imap together with exim |
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| 19:23.35 | LSorensen | robin_sz: to me it's an indication courier is well designed/written |
| 19:23.39 | robin_sz | and exim works OK for virtual domains? |
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| 19:23.56 | LSorensen | robin_sz: yeah I have done virtual domains with exim. takes a bit of configuring but it's not too bad |
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| 19:24.08 | rdr | If you apt-get install a program and all goes ok but there is nothing in the menus to run it what do you do I am really new at this Thanks |
| 19:24.09 | LSorensen | robin_sz: I wouldn't say it's the easiest mta to do virtual domains with |
| 19:24.26 | LSorensen | rdr: not everything provides an x applicatoin with a menu entry. |
| 19:24.42 | robin_sz | so its pain with qmail now and esy virtual domains thereafter, or easy exim and painful virtual domains ... |
| 19:24.44 | rdr | ahh ok |
| 19:24.46 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 19:24.53 | trouble | karsten ???? |
| 19:24.58 | karsten | rdr: Some WMs require a restart for menus to be updated, some don't. |
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| 19:25.10 | karsten | trouble: ???? |
| 19:25.11 | rdr | i did that |
| 19:25.17 | Ronin | robin_sz: in the time youve been talking about it here the last 2 days you could have had a functioning qmail install with virtual domeains and users :) |
| 19:25.19 | EvanCarroll | I like courier-mta |
| 19:25.22 | EvanCarroll | im setting it up now |
| 19:25.28 | trouble | can u tell me what u just told chino plz ?? |
| 19:25.45 | trouble | he told me to ask u |
| 19:25.48 | EvanCarroll | they could refine the whole 100 letter executable make*s but overall its excelent especially when you comapair it to exim |
| 19:25.54 | johnsu01 | So, my system hangs completely on trying to upgrade pcmcia-cs, in testing. Any ideas what's causing this? |
| 19:25.58 | robin_sz | Ronin: possibl, but "other things" got in the way .. like I tried the dotdebs thing two days ago, the box shat itself and I ran away |
| 19:25.59 | drac | psyBNC`tr: You have to be kidding. |
| 19:26.17 | LSorensen | robin_sz: in exim4 they weren't too painful to setup. But I haven't done it in a while. All i ended up having to do was define a couple of transport handlers in teh exim config, create a file listing my domains and a dir with a passwd and aliases file for each domain. then it just dealt with things. |
| 19:26.24 | Ronin | robin_sz: did you check out the url i told you about? |
| 19:26.26 | LSorensen | robin_sz: I wasn't doing anything too complicated though |
| 19:26.26 | karsten | trouble: Fore network masq through a DHCP-assigned server, shorewall works easily. |
| 19:26.32 | EvanCarroll | exim4 is a piece of shit =/ |
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| 19:26.50 | LSorensen | EvanCarroll: works for my needs, and I can get along with the license just fine |
| 19:26.51 | EvanCarroll | exim4/exim4.template.conf.conf i mean come on |
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| 19:27.06 | robin_sz | Ronin: qmailrocks? yes. ... cant seen any debian instructions though .. its the usual "life with qmail" stuff ... ie compile from source. |
| 19:27.08 | trouble | do u have a morons version of that text for me plz ?? |
| 19:27.11 | stew | psyBNC`tr: have you ever heard of a guy named turing or his test? |
| 19:27.16 | superSSS | anyone runs debian on a 486 :)? |
| 19:27.25 | PerfDave | superSSS: Not any more |
| 19:27.27 | Ronin | yo cant see debain instructions? |
| 19:27.30 | LSorensen | superSSS: yes |
| 19:27.33 | johnsu01 | It hangs after downloading the archive, pretty much immediately on trying to install. |
| 19:27.38 | Ronin | http://www.qmailrocks.org/install_db.htm |
| 19:27.52 | superSSS | LSorensen: how much ram do you have? |
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| 19:27.57 | LSorensen | superSSS: 48M |
| 19:28.02 | Ronin | humm lets count my typos shall we, sad very sad |
| 19:28.10 | EvanCarroll | config file is so jumbled that an automated script has to be made to break it up into an almost abitrary manor just to make it managable, and the conf files have scripting syntex in them |
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| 19:28.15 | EvanCarroll | makes me want to /suicide |
| 19:28.22 | robin_sz | Ronin: thanks !! thats neat |
| 19:28.24 | johnsu01 | It's pcmcia-cs version 3.2.5-3. I'm not sure if that's the new version or the old version since it's in the in-between stage, but I think it's the new one. |
| 19:28.27 | jharrisonwk | Phated: you suck |
| 19:28.37 | superSSS | LSorensen: upgrading woody to sarge takes me 2 hours:) |
| 19:28.57 | LSorensen | superSSS: yeah sounds likely. I had mine going for a few days and I would answer it's questions whenever I came by |
| 19:28.59 | Ronin | robin_sz: ive ran it on woody and currently on sarge with no problems, only tricky part is removing exim and keeping it off but thats not to bad either |
| 19:29.07 | Phated | jharrisonwk: Ho hum. |
| 19:29.16 | karsten | !tell trouble about u |
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| 19:29.39 | trouble | what ? |
| 19:29.47 | stew | !ops psyBNC`tr spammer |
| 19:29.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: psyBNC`tr spammer |
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| 19:30.18 | robin_sz | Ronin: yeah, I was hoping that by installing as a .deb from, err, .debs, it would get the idea about not putting exim back |
| 19:30.28 | LSorensen | robin_sz: it should |
| 19:30.43 | sussudio | mentor forgot rule #1 of "how not to be seen" |
| 19:30.45 | johnsu01 | I don't see any recent similar bugs reported on pcmcia-cs, wondering if I should report it, but I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something first, since I probably am. |
| 19:31.02 | robin_sz | LSorensen: indeed. |
| 19:31.49 | mentor | onjoin spam? |
| 19:31.50 | karsten | trouble: Define what you're trying to do. Using standard English please. |
| 19:31.59 | johnsu01 | The hard drive continues to spin furiously while the rest of the system hangs, but I did let it go for at least 10-15 minutes before giving up on it. |
| 19:31.59 | trouble | ok |
| 19:32.03 | trouble | here goes |
| 19:32.23 | trouble | im trying to setup my linux box as a router |
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| 19:33.26 | trouble | thats about the shot and curly's of it |
| 19:33.34 | trouble | short* |
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| 19:34.01 | Steven_ | does anyone happen to know if there are debian packages for heimdal-kdc, with openldap support ? |
| 19:34.07 | mythsmith | is there a project for a p2p apt system? |
| 19:34.33 | karsten | trouble: OK. You're NATing an internal LAN over a DHCP-assigned connection? |
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| 19:34.58 | stew | Steven_: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:35.01 | trouble | i dont really know what that mean but .... |
| 19:35.03 | LSorensen | mythsmith: someone suggested it, but it never did make much sense |
| 19:35.24 | LSorensen | mythsmith: too many small files. too frequent changes |
| 19:35.29 | jharrisonwk | Phated: I am all broken up about you kicking me since I find that channel to be an abombination to me |
| 19:35.31 | trouble | i want my modem pluged in the linux box then the lin box to the hub |
| 19:35.32 | mythsmith | LSorensen: why? it would be good if all FTP mirrors could share the load... |
| 19:35.44 | Phated | jharrisonwk: Shouldn't have hung around to be kicked, then. |
| 19:35.49 | LSorensen | mythsmith: why, it's more efficient to use one close to you |
| 19:35.53 | jharrisonwk | Phated: I could care less |
| 19:36.11 | jharrisonwk | Phated: did you not sense my sarcasism? |
| 19:36.13 | Phated | Which was why you went to all the trouble to bitch about it. Sure. |
| 19:36.19 | LSorensen | mythsmith: and you would have to invent a new protocol, and worry about routing it, etc for a client to know how to talk to all the servers at once |
| 19:36.20 | trouble | the problem is that when i plaugin the moden and try to get an ip, it get a different ip |
| 19:36.21 | Steven_ | stew: thx, already looked on google and with apt-cache |
| 19:36.31 | jharrisonwk | Phated: I like fighting |
| 19:36.36 | LSorensen | mythsmith: and many servers are simply http and/or ftp and nothing else. they don't want yet another protocol to worry about |
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| 19:36.46 | polytan | hi |
| 19:36.50 | Phated | jharrisonwk: We can tell. |
| 19:36.52 | Phated | *plonk* |
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| 19:37.06 | mythsmith | LSorensen: but if the one close to me is very busy, it would be beautiful to download from all the other FTP mirrors. |
| 19:37.07 | sepski | trouble, use some dynamic host assignment like dyndns or get a real uplink |
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| 19:37.24 | robin_sz | Ronin: I was also hoping that dotdebs might save me from the djb directory stupidity |
| 19:37.27 | trouble | i wish i knew what u ment |
| 19:37.42 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 19:37.42 | nanook | hello all, i want to have user's home directories mounted on a smb share at logon but don't know where to start. does someone have link o just a hint please? |
| 19:37.43 | stew | Steven_: you have found the heimdal-kdc package but you want to know if its got ldap support or you are looking for a different version? |
| 19:37.45 | sepski | §dyndns |
| 19:37.52 | jharrisonwk | Phated: yes well I wont say what I was going to say for fear of hurting the little ladies feelings |
| 19:37.56 | sepski | it provides a static host to a dynamic ip |
| 19:37.56 | mythsmith | LSorensen: it is not necessary to change the server type: just to make an apt that can download from all the sources at the same time. |
| 19:37.59 | sepski | !dyndns |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/ |
| 19:38.01 | tchino | hello, how can i print with a higher solution, my print is so pixelnd |
| 19:38.06 | Skaag | is there a channel dedicated to linux networking? |
| 19:38.08 | jharrisonwk | anyone have oracle experience on debian? |
| 19:38.24 | trouble | ok i see the but haw will that help ? |
| 19:38.25 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: I'm about to install Oracle 10 on debian |
| 19:38.30 | LSorensen | mythsmith: so you can wait while a server on the other side of the planet sends you a 15M file while the other files from a close by server were already downloaded. no thanks. |
| 19:38.31 | Steven_ | stew: it doesn't have ldap support, and I was looking for binary packages. I also tried building the package from the source package, but it would require me to install all kinds of xlibs, which I'd rather not do |
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| 19:38.37 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: wonderful, and good luck to you |
| 19:38.44 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: thanks |
| 19:38.55 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: any advice, problems, solutions etc...? |
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| 19:38.58 | solomonn | in sh, what's the variable for the arguments a script was called with? |
| 19:38.59 | Steven_ | stew : of course, I could build on another system, and then install only the binary packages that I need |
| 19:39.03 | sepski | Skaag, #networking but it's few in there and not very active, if it's debian related ask here |
| 19:39.05 | solomonn | er, what are the variables |
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| 19:39.06 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: If you think it would be useful, I could make a wiki about the process, and write down any gotcha's |
| 19:39.09 | polytan | somebody can help me in private to boot a debian via nfs ? |
| 19:39.10 | mythsmith | LSorensen: well, the priority is given to the lowest ping server |
| 19:39.16 | timo | mythsmith, there's been discussion about it on debian-devel. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/10/msg01715.html |
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| 19:39.27 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: sure sounds good. I have to install 9i unfortunately |
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| 19:39.50 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: I just installed x-window-system because the installer does not seem to run without a GUI |
| 19:39.56 | LSorensen | mythsmith: most of the servers have more bandwidth than my connection anyhow, so one is plenty |
| 19:40.10 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: and there is some library I need from woody but I have sorted all that out |
| 19:40.10 | LSorensen | mythsmith: low ping != fast transfer. no relation |
| 19:40.21 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: Yes, was the same in 8i - the oracle gurus can run the shell scripts themselves but it's rather complex without the GUI |
| 19:40.22 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: which oracle and which debian? |
| 19:40.23 | Techdeck | hey, somehow the lilo menu doesnt come up until I hit ctrl, whats the fix for this one? btw I'm using debian unstable |
| 19:40.24 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: the only problem now is that in x windows I cant seem to execute a shell |
| 19:40.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: 9i and sarge |
| 19:40.38 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i've done 9i and woody |
| 19:40.39 | stew | Steven_: or build, then remove the stuff you don't want... |
| 19:40.50 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: that's a general problem unrelated to oracle, is it not...? |
| 19:40.58 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: but I have not begun to work on why I cannot execute the shell |
| 19:40.59 | robin_sz | anyone tried robomail for bulk mailing? |
| 19:41.00 | boris | hello |
| 19:41.02 | Steven_ | stew: you mean remove the stuff I dont want before the build ? |
| 19:41.05 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: do you have an install guide? |
| 19:41.05 | boris | is php5 still not on the archives? |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4853&15 |
| 19:41.07 | hypo | hi, i want to download the mono package from the unstable release of debian; with apt-get; but how do i put the server in sources.list? |
| 19:41.08 | Techdeck | anyone? |
| 19:41.09 | sepski | trouble, if i misunderstood your question then im sorry, i thougt you had issues with dynamic ip on your uplink |
| 19:41.13 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: some notes i took are in there |
| 19:41.18 | stew | Steven_: no, get the build-deps, build, remove the build-deps |
| 19:41.18 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: yes I believe it to be unreated to oracle |
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| 19:41.34 | trouble | i have troubles thats for sure |
| 19:41.37 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: are you running the x session as user 'oracle'? |
| 19:41.39 | Steven_ | stew : ah, could do that too indeed |
| 19:41.48 | Steven_ | I'll give it a go |
| 19:41.53 | Steven_ | thx |
| 19:41.57 | trouble | my comment was not intended in a nasty way |
| 19:41.57 | stew | Steven_: /msg dpkg source |
| 19:41.58 | jharrisonwk | what I find most dreadful is that I must isntall on debian for testing and later on redhat enterprise |
| 19:42.01 | hypo | i typed deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/debian/ unstable main |
| 19:42.05 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: no |
| 19:42.10 | Skaag | root? |
| 19:42.12 | hypo | deb-src ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/debian/ unstable main |
| 19:42.14 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: no |
| 19:42.16 | trouble | and im sorry if you saw it that way |
| 19:42.18 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: normal user |
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| 19:42.21 | Skaag | I see |
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| 19:42.53 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: good enough notes ? |
| 19:42.55 | sepski | trouble, if we misunderstand your problem try explaining it in a different way |
| 19:42.59 | Skaag | try to do an xhost + thingy |
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| 19:43.18 | Steven_ | stew : ah, handy |
| 19:43.19 | ico2 | hey |
| 19:43.39 | ico2 | i am using gs and apsfilter to install |
| 19:43.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: looks pretty good |
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| 19:44.03 | Erica | omry are you here? |
| 19:44.07 | jetscreamer | ico2, where did you say what model printer |
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| 19:44.12 | Orfeous | hmm.. |
| 19:44.14 | Skaag | I have a box with 80.179.151.100 as its ip, 80.179.151.1 as the gateway, netmask 255.255.255.0, and now I need this box to also have 10.248.28.8 with gateway 10.248.28.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0, which is an internal network, but when I do that, the machine is no longer reachable from the net. Anything i'm missing here? |
| 19:44.15 | Orfeous | unable to open files list file for package `libxml1': Permission denied |
| 19:44.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: from what I read in chapter 2 of the install docs your notes make sense |
| 19:44.18 | jetscreamer | !smart questions |
| 19:44.18 | dpkg | hmm... smart questions is Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer ... |
| 19:44.20 | ico2 | when i run apsfilter and select my printer driver it says your gs version was not compiled with hpijs |
| 19:44.20 | mythsmith | timo: thank you very much for the link!!!! |
| 19:44.22 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: you should still do a wiki or something |
| 19:44.27 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: I will |
| 19:44.30 | ico2 | hp deskjet 810c |
| 19:44.31 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: or use linuxbs.org |
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| 19:44.36 | vahid | hi |
| 19:44.41 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: if you do a wiki please give me the link |
| 19:44.44 | jetscreamer | Orfeous, either you're not root or there's another apt like proggy running |
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| 19:44.55 | ico2 | i installed the debian testing gs version and tried again |
| 19:44.57 | ico2 | same error |
| 19:44.59 | vahid | how can i reconfigure mouse in debian |
| 19:45.01 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: I usually do. I used to have a large wiki for qmail, vpopmail-mysql and qpsmtpd, but spammers killed it for me when they posted their referrer links all over the site |
| 19:45.07 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: did you have to do the install with a x-window system? |
| 19:45.08 | ico2 | i apt-get installed hpijs |
| 19:45.11 | ico2 | same error |
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| 19:45.14 | ico2 | why? |
| 19:45.18 | jetscreamer | ico2, hpijis or something like that and maybe you need pnm2ppa also, not sure but i needed pnm2ppa for my 712c |
| 19:45.20 | Skaag | now I need to find a good wiki software that's more secure than wakkawiki |
| 19:45.21 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: bastards |
| 19:45.24 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:45.25 | ico2 | thanks |
| 19:45.27 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: in X or console? |
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| 19:45.48 | sepski | Skaag, you only want 1 default gw. you add the second ip in /etc/networking/interfaces using a up statement on the interfaces |
| 19:45.49 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, X |
| 19:45.58 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, or console |
| 19:45.59 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: apt-cache search kwiki |
| 19:46.09 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: apt-cache show kwiki is better |
| 19:46.10 | sepski | Skaag, if you need a additional static route to reach the net you do that also with a up statement |
| 19:46.11 | jetscreamer | ico2, apt-cache show pnm2ppa should tell you if it's for the 810 |
| 19:46.32 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:46.37 | ico2 | thanks |
| 19:46.37 | Skaag | jharrisonwk: I'll install it now, let's see how it goes... |
| 19:46.46 | jharrisonwk | Skaag: ok |
| 19:46.49 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: Decide on one. |
| 19:46.49 | Skaag | sepski: fair enough - trying it now |
| 19:46.50 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ? |
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| 19:46.54 | CodeWarrior_ | hello friends |
| 19:46.54 | ico2 | no |
| 19:47.03 | Steven_ | stew: is there a way to pass an option to the configure script, with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 19:47.06 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, X |
| 19:47.09 | jetscreamer | ico2, another thing i didn't know was being in the lp & lpadmin groups |
| 19:47.11 | Steven_ | wait! I read something about it in manpage |
| 19:47.12 | Skaag | sepski: so I add: up route add gw 10.248.28.1 |
| 19:47.16 | sepski | Skaag, if the second net is on a nother nic you dont need the up statement, just avoid the gateway |
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| 19:47.22 | Orfeous | jetscreamer: hmm.. i am root :) |
| 19:47.26 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:47.35 | Orfeous | i cant either install or remove a package |
| 19:47.41 | stew | Steven_: edit debian/rules |
| 19:47.47 | ico2 | pnm2ppa is not for the 810c |
| 19:47.48 | CodeWarrior_ | I'd want to know about what is the best way (faster) to get debian CDs from the Internet: Using Jigdo or using BitTorrent ? |
| 19:47.50 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx vahid |
| 19:47.51 | dpkg | vahid: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:47.52 | ico2 | apparently |
| 19:47.56 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: jigdo. |
| 19:48.01 | Skaag | route add gw 10.248.28.1 |
| 19:48.01 | Skaag | gw: No address associated with name |
| 19:48.14 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: at least if you want them up to date. |
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| 19:48.27 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, how can i ask my self? |
| 19:48.27 | sepski | Skaag, first of all is there 2 nets on 1 nic or separate nics ? |
| 19:48.30 | Steven_ | very cool :) |
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| 19:48.33 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:48.36 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, what i must type ? |
| 19:48.47 | ico2 | gotta download 1.7mb on dialup, this will take a few mins |
| 19:48.48 | jetscreamer | vahid, try modprobe mousedev |
| 19:48.49 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: I don't understand. |
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| 19:48.49 | Skaag | sepski: it's 2 nets on 1 nic, unfortunately. |
| 19:48.52 | jetscreamer | worth a shot |
| 19:48.56 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: yeah, I need to get Testing ISO images... I'll get them trough Jigdo so |
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| 19:49.11 | Skaag | sepski: the physical construction of the motherboards did not allow me to add another nic to the box |
| 19:49.25 | Orfeous | rm -rf *debian* |
| 19:49.25 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: certainly the simplest. of course most people are better off with the netinstall iso than the full jigdo images since you are unlikely to ever need most of it |
| 19:49.26 | jeebers | hey trying to run the folling script : #!/bin/sh ; killall mozilla-bin ; /home/kiosk2/.kde/Autostart/mozilla & ; |
| 19:49.37 | sepski | then you first need to assign the correct second ip for the second nic, using a up statement, the route will fail until it's right |
| 19:49.55 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, my mwan how can i ask question from dpkg bot |
| 19:49.55 | jeebers | but you need to be roo to call the killall command.. is there a way to call this command as root in the script? |
| 19:50.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i just pasted you a link .. did you look at it ? |
| 19:50.02 | greycat | jeebers: no, you do not. |
| 19:50.03 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 19:50.04 | Skaag | sepski: it's up right now, on eth0:200 |
| 19:50.09 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes |
| 19:50.14 | saluteme | i installed kernel-image2.6.8-2-686 but now when i do apt-get upgrade it tries to go back to 2.4.27-speakup |
| 19:50.15 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: not good enoguh ? |
| 19:50.21 | greycat | jeebers: you just need to be root to kill *other* UIDs' processes. |
| 19:50.23 | jetscreamer | Orfeous, what's the exact error again? |
| 19:50.27 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, tnx |
| 19:50.31 | sepski | Skaag, for it to survide reboot you add the ifconfig to a up statement in the interfaces file |
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| 19:50.39 | LSorensen | saluteme: did you uninstall 2.4.27? if not it will upgrade it if a new release of the old kernel comes around |
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| 19:50.54 | adapter | where can i find an ipfm log analyser that generates a grafic in html? |
| 19:50.57 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: do you give your permission to put your instructions in /public/docs on my website? |
| 19:51.02 | Orfeous | jetscreamer: unable to open files list file for package `libxml1': Permission denied |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: they already are public |
| 19:51.10 | jarmo | Hi there =) |
| 19:51.13 | Orfeous | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 19:51.13 | Skaag | sepski: I added it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.14 | saluteme | LSorensen thats the exact kernel it was using before i changed to 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:51.18 | Skaag | (the debian way) |
| 19:51.24 | greycat | Orfeous: ugh. check the permissions on all the dirs in the path /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:51.30 | Skaag | sepski: but how do I set the route? |
| 19:51.33 | greycat | Orfeous: that's five dirs total. |
| 19:51.34 | jeebers | greycat.. though that originally but didn't work.. must have been doing something wrong..did it there and it worked fine |
| 19:51.36 | jeebers | cheers |
| 19:51.37 | jetscreamer | Orfeous, only thing i can think of... what greycat said |
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| 19:51.51 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: in the truth, I can't install trough NetInstall because I need the CDs to install on other machines that don't have Internet access... |
| 19:51.56 | LSorensen | saluteme: sure but if a new release of it comes out (like -5 from -4) to fix a bug, it will try to upgrade it if you didn't uninstall it. with grub it will still default to the newest kernel, but with lilo it will probably default to the most recently installed |
| 19:51.56 | sepski | Skaag, do you want 2 default routes or just a route to a different internal network |
| 19:52.06 | Skaag | sepski: the latter |
| 19:52.07 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: cant hurt to ask though |
| 19:52.11 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: well that's different. I prefer the 2 DVD set personally. :) |
| 19:52.13 | Skaag | not default |
| 19:52.19 | Orfeous | greycat: ok, when i typed "ls" i got Permission denied on all dirs.. but not on the files :) |
| 19:52.24 | jetscreamer | greycat, is / the fifth one? |
| 19:52.24 | jarmo | any ideas about howto get for not root user to get rights to access other hd's than linux partition? it says me "you don't have permission to access.." |
| 19:52.26 | adapter | where can i find an ipfm log analyser that generates a grafic in html? i'm not heading to rrdtools and mrtg, these are hard enough for me |
| 19:52.29 | greycat | jetscreamer: the first ;-) |
| 19:52.33 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: that was actually for OCS .. which i never got working properly .. but the DB worked fine |
| 19:52.34 | jetscreamer | ls -l |
| 19:52.37 | saluteme | LSorensen so i should apt-get remove it? |
| 19:52.44 | Orfeous | greycat: hmm.. |
| 19:52.48 | LSorensen | saluteme: if you don't want to run it anymore then I would suggest doing that |
| 19:52.50 | jetscreamer | jarmo, what fs |
| 19:52.54 | greycat | Orfeous: ls -ld / /var /var/lib ... |
| 19:52.54 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I put by you on my copy |
| 19:52.55 | saluteme | ok thanks |
| 19:52.58 | sepski | Skaag, something like up route add -net 10.0.0.0/24 gw ipaddressofgw in interfaces |
| 19:53.00 | Orfeous | greycat: i mean i got permission denied on all .list-files.. |
| 19:53.01 | greycat | Orfeous: just don't flood us. |
| 19:53.06 | greycat | Orfeous: oh? that's .... weird. |
| 19:53.09 | jarmo | I'm newbie, don't bother me with unknown words =) |
| 19:53.17 | Orfeous | greycat: for example.. |
| 19:53.17 | sepski | replace with the correct ip network for the route and the correct gw ofcourse |
| 19:53.19 | Orfeous | greycat: /bin/ls: libnet-server-perl.list: Permission denied |
| 19:53.21 | jetscreamer | filesystem? |
| 19:53.26 | greycat | Orfeous: ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 19:53.29 | Orfeous | /bin/ls: libxml1.list: Permission denied |
| 19:53.35 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: of what? |
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| 19:53.42 | jetscreamer | you forgot the d Orfeous |
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| 19:53.46 | jarmo | ??? debian? kde? I really don't know what you mean =) |
| 19:53.54 | greycat | jarmo: not amusing. |
| 19:53.58 | jarmo | =D |
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| 19:54.02 | jetscreamer | jarmo, is it fat32? ext3? ntfs? |
| 19:54.02 | Orfeous | jetscreamer: what d? |
| 19:54.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: written by abrotman I put that in my copy |
| 19:54.04 | Skaag | sepski: thanks |
| 19:54.06 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: I guess I can get the 2 DVD set too, because the machines have DVD-ROM drives, but I don't know how much time I take to get 2 DVD trough my Internet access... |
| 19:54.20 | jarmo | fat32 |
| 19:54.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: oh ok . i thought oyu meant OCS |
| 19:54.20 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: so I will always remember you wrote it |
| 19:54.20 | jarmo | and another one is ntfs |
| 19:54.20 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 19:54.20 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 19:54.20 | nanook | hello all, i need a hint on how to mount home directories in a smb share, don't know where to start |
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| 19:54.20 | vile_maxim | saluteme, apt-get remove kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup |
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| 19:54.20 | Orfeous | greycat: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 158848 Feb 24 22:51 /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:54.28 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: the same time as getting 14 CDs |
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| 19:54.42 | Skaag | sepski: route add -net 10.0.0.0/24 gw 10.248.28.1 |
| 19:54.42 | Skaag | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 19:54.58 | jetscreamer | need auto eth0 ? |
| 19:54.58 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorenson: of course :-) but I thought to get just 3 CDs |
| 19:55.03 | jjazz | nanook: smbmount |
| 19:55.05 | jetscreamer | just get cd#1 |
| 19:55.11 | jetscreamer | unless you need the others |
| 19:55.13 | jarmo | as a root I may access to 'em all, but it isn't that what I want.. |
| 19:55.21 | sepski | Skaag, do you have a correct route for your second ip to your device ? |
| 19:55.25 | jetscreamer | jarmo, i just told you how |
| 19:55.32 | jetscreamer | !tell jarmo about rw-vfat |
| 19:55.32 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: well depends what stuff you want. I have found kde stuff on cd 5 in the past, which some people think is important |
| 19:55.35 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorenson: anyway, the best way to get is using Jigdo... later I'll decide how much CDs or DVDs I'll get... thanks a lot friend |
| 19:55.36 | Skaag | sepski: I don't know what you mean... |
| 19:55.54 | jarmo | well it is there but um.. |
| 19:55.57 | jarmo | well I might try |
| 19:56.02 | ico2 | bah |
| 19:56.06 | Skaag | sepski: sorry my bad |
| 19:56.07 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: yeah, you're right... the best is to get all CDs/DVDs |
| 19:56.08 | ico2 | still i get same error |
| 19:56.10 | Skaag | sepski: fixed it |
| 19:56.15 | jetscreamer | jarmo, gid 24 is games... uid, type id in console.... |
| 19:56.17 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: thanks friend ! bye bye |
| 19:56.19 | ico2 | stupid printer |
| 19:56.23 | nanook | jjazz: thanks, but the part of mounting /home/[user] at logon? .bashrc or what? |
| 19:56.25 | LSorensen | CodeWarrior_: you can always get the first few and see what you are missing and get more later |
| 19:56.39 | CodeWarrior_ | LSorensen: yes |
| 19:56.41 | jjazz | CodeWarrior_: jigdo = lots of time waiting for downloads only to have to start over when it fails |
| 19:56.52 | jetscreamer | no 24 is cdrom sorry |
| 19:56.55 | jetscreamer | 60 is games |
| 19:57.00 | ico2 | anything else people can think of? |
| 19:57.13 | ipscgui | i'm looking for graphical frontend for ipsc (IP Subnet Calculator) which is currently mantained and does not depend on gnome or kde, any pointers? |
| 19:57.18 | CodeWarrior_ | jjazz: yeah, I'll use Jigdo |
| 19:57.25 | jetscreamer | is it a usb printer, ico2? |
| 19:57.32 | ico2 | no |
| 19:57.36 | ico2 | parralel |
| 19:57.37 | LSorensen | ipscgui: what improvement would a gui make to that? |
| 19:57.50 | CodeWarrior_ | jjazz LSorensen: bye bye friends, thanks ! |
| 19:57.53 | CodeWarrior_ | bye bye all ! |
| 19:57.54 | jjazz | nanook: /etc/fstab can take smbfs lines to mount the share |
| 19:57.58 | LSorensen | jjazz: no if it fails you can still recover later. |
| 19:58.06 | LSorensen | jjazz: jigdo is rather good that way |
| 19:58.07 | ico2 | is there an alternative to apsfilter about? |
| 19:58.09 | nanook | jjazz: ok |
| 19:58.15 | LSorensen | ico2: cups/foomatic |
| 19:58.19 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:58.22 | jetscreamer | ico2, ^^^ |
| 19:58.26 | LSorensen | ico2: absolute best printing system ever |
| 19:58.53 | jjazz | LSorensen: Hmm... jigdo must have improved, because when I tried it, it downloaded 98% of the data and then told me I was SOL |
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| 19:58.53 | LSorensen | jjazz: on linux or windows? |
| 19:58.53 | jjazz | LSorensen: debian |
| 19:58.53 | PTH_ | LSorensen who r u? |
| 19:58.54 | LSorensen | jjazz: well I have managed before. |
| 19:58.54 | robin_sz | argh ... what was that dpkg thing for removing a package without ripping out all the depends? |
| 19:58.57 | LSorensen | PTH_: what? |
| 19:58.58 | jeebers | is there a combination of keys you can press to do a shutdown.. or is it possible to set this up some how? |
| 19:58.59 | jarmo | btw, if it is ntfs, does it still work? |
| 19:59.01 | jetscreamer | jigdo was very slow for me when i tried it the first time i tried to get debian... |
| 19:59.05 | PTH_ | LSorensen r u franklin? |
| 19:59.08 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 19:59.08 | jjazz | LSorensen: I'd rather use a torrent |
| 19:59.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 19:59.09 | ico2 | which one? |
| 19:59.14 | ico2 | hmmmmm |
| 19:59.16 | LSorensen | jjazz: you can always loopback mount the iso that is partialyl done and use it to read anything already downloaded in to a new image |
| 19:59.18 | ipscgui | LSorensen: why use a window manager when the command line is all you need, right? |
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| 19:59.25 | ico2 | i am not able to apt-get install cups |
| 19:59.25 | LSorensen | PTH_: not that I know of |
| 19:59.26 | settledown | i noticed during startup that appletalkservices are started |
| 19:59.29 | LSorensen | ipscgui: exactly. |
| 19:59.32 | ico2 | Package cups has no available version |
| 19:59.36 | settledown | does that mean it can see appletalk printers? |
| 19:59.37 | LSorensen | ico2: cupsys |
| 19:59.38 | jetscreamer | both ico2, and it's cupsys |
| 19:59.39 | sepski | !cups setup |
| 19:59.40 | dpkg | i heard cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 19:59.41 | ico2 | ok |
| 19:59.47 | Skaag | oh damnit - i can't use cgi scripts because suexec is enabled :-( |
| 19:59.52 | jjazz | LSorensen: Yes, I noted that in the instructions, but that seemed like a pretty crappy replacement for, you know, just giving me the files I had downloaded. |
| 19:59.58 | ico2 | ouch |
| 19:59.59 | ico2 | 11mb |
| 20:00.04 | ico2 | this will take some time |
| 20:00.15 | LSorensen | jjazz: but it makes it easy to get a new cd next week using what you have already. torrent does you no good there in most cases |
| 20:00.24 | solomonn | anyone know the device name for the system speaker? |
| 20:00.25 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 20:00.41 | ico2 | 52min remaining |
| 20:00.51 | ipscgui | LSorensen: who needs a gui anyways, the people at gnome/kde/icewm/xfce, etc are wasting their time. why use nedit when you can use vi, right? yeah righ! |
| 20:00.53 | jetscreamer | 2.6 has it's module for the system speaker |
| 20:00.53 | jjazz | LSorensen: Why would I want a new CD next week? |
| 20:01.03 | jetscreamer | it's own |
| 20:01.03 | LSorensen | ipscgui: vim is better |
| 20:01.09 | sepski | solomonn, are you doing something that beep can't acomplish ? |
| 20:01.18 | PTH_ | when is debian gonna come with reiser4? |
| 20:01.21 | solomonn | sepski: beep doesn't work and i can't figure out why |
| 20:01.23 | LSorensen | jjazz: well maybe next month when you want and updated sarge cd set |
| 20:01.33 | LSorensen | PTH_: when reiserfs4 is stable |
| 20:01.35 | ipscgui | why use ted o abiword when vim is you need, right? yeah right! |
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| 20:01.41 | jetscreamer | pth ask kernel.org, it's a patch on the kernel atm |
| 20:02.04 | schoberth | exit |
| 20:02.08 | jjazz | LSorensen: Maybe I don't reinstall my box often enough and perhaps I'm spoiled by broadband, but I'm pretty happy with apt-get for keeping things up to date. |
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| 20:02.30 | beardy | solomonn: Your user is not in the audio group, or you choosed wrong when you installed it. "dpkg-reconfigure beep" maybe. |
| 20:02.40 | vile_maxim | ipscgui, why use vi when you can use vigor! |
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| 20:02.47 | jjazz | LSorensen: I see why jigdo exists... it just doesn't meet my needs, and torrents are so easy that I would like to see them provided by Debian.org |
| 20:02.54 | LSorensen | jjazz: sure once installed, apt-get is the way |
| 20:02.58 | PTH_ | franklin y u hatin on reiser4? |
| 20:03.01 | solomonn | beardy: nope, i told it to be suid and only available to the audio group, and i am and have been in the audio group |
| 20:03.05 | LSorensen | jjazz: but for that reason torrents make even less sense |
| 20:03.06 | Skaag | anyone successfuly managed suexec + cgi scripts under apache? |
| 20:03.12 | sepski | solomonn, have no idea. your certain your hardware is ok ? |
| 20:03.16 | solomonn | beardy: in fact, beep doesn't work as root :) |
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| 20:03.29 | jeebers | ok have this script.. #!/bin/sh; killall mozilla-bin; /home/kiosk2/.kde/Autostart/mozilla &; i have a crontab that calls this script.. the crontab when it calls the script shuts down the mozilla browser like it should but it does start it aftwards like it shoudl.. if i run the script form the terminal it does what it should.. do i have to put something in to direct it to the right tty or something? any ideas? |
| 20:03.48 | solomonn | sepski: fairly. it functioned before beep was installed, when i was in console doing things that caused beeps. but no more |
| 20:03.51 | jjazz | LSorensen: Why? Torrents seem like a great way to get that first ISO for doing a net install. |
| 20:03.52 | ipscgui | why i18n apps? let the lazy complacent bastards (i.e users) learn English, right? yeah right! |
| 20:03.59 | solomonn | sepski: it could be my kernel but i don't know where to start investigating :) |
| 20:04.00 | caphuso | jeebers: $DISPLAY isn't set inside cron |
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| 20:04.28 | LSorensen | jjazz: there are many more fast http/ftp sites near me than there are torrent users with debian dvd images around. |
| 20:04.31 | greycat | jeebers: cron jobs don't have your $DISPLAY variable. |
| 20:04.35 | jeebers | i have this in the crontab at the moment : */5 * * * * ~/moz_restart.sh.. |
| 20:04.50 | jeebers | this is just a test .. won't be doign it this regularly.. just onece a day eventually |
| 20:05.03 | greycat | jeebers: put "DISPLAY=:0; export DISPLAY" in the script. |
| 20:05.03 | LSorensen | jjazz: and I can update my current image to a new one with only downloading the new stuff. it is far superior for such things. for downloading tv shows, nothing beats torrent |
| 20:05.12 | beardy | solomonn: beep works as root for me. |
| 20:05.13 | enntee | I'm trying to get my iptables rules to run at startup. I've followed the Debian instructions and saved my rules with "/etc/init.d/iptables save active", but the rules still don't load on startup. Any ideas? |
| 20:05.14 | ipscgui | LSorensen: that is why most PC users are reluctanct to use Linux. the attitude: you do not need a gui, use the command line! bolocks! |
| 20:05.16 | Nwallins | how can i disable framebuffer on boot? using grub |
| 20:05.17 | jjazz | LSorensen: Perhaps you're right on that one. I sort of imagined that Debian gets enough constant downloaders that the swarm would always be populated. |
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| 20:05.40 | greycat | bittorrent++ |
| 20:05.43 | greycat | !bittorrent++ |
| 20:05.48 | solomonn | beardy: it probably works for most people :P but not for me |
| 20:05.51 | beardy | solomonn: If you are running a 2.6 kernel, you need the pc-speaker module, built in, or as a module, I guess. |
| 20:06.08 | LSorensen | jjazz: given the fastest and recomended install is the netinstall cd, no not very likely |
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| 20:06.19 | jeebers | ok.. so new script would be #!/bin/sh; DISPLAY=:0; export DISPLAY; killall mozilla-bin; /home/kiosk2/.kde/Autostart/mozilla &; |
| 20:06.19 | sepski | enntee, maybee you dont have a link from rc2.d to init.d/iptables use update-rc.d to create one |
| 20:06.20 | jeebers | ? |
| 20:06.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: uhm .. could you put a note on there that i don't guarantee it will work? |
| 20:06.21 | jjazz | LSorensen: perhaps you are correct |
| 20:06.27 | greycat | "fastest" may vary depending on your setup. |
| 20:06.29 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: sure thing |
| 20:06.35 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you know .. standard disclaimer .. don't kill me if oracle implodes |
| 20:06.38 | solomonn | beardy: i think i have it built in |
| 20:06.38 | enntee | sepski: i checked that. i do =\ |
| 20:06.50 | sepski | solomonn, if you'v made a custom kernel then i guess it might be there |
| 20:07.06 | LSorensen | ipscgui: most PC users shouldn't even be using windows quite honestly. They have no idea what they are doing. |
| 20:07.06 | beardy | solomonn: Are you sure the speaker is working, the cable hasn't "falled out" or something simillar? |
| 20:07.27 | sepski | enntee, if you try stating it manualy using the /etc/init.d/iptables start does it work then ? |
| 20:07.35 | LSorensen | ipscgui: all the gui does is hide most of the options from the user so they are less likely to make a mistake, yet they manage to make them anyhow |
| 20:07.52 | S4nD3r_ | Theres some limit of devices mounted? |
| 20:07.52 | LSorensen | ipscgui: And when something goes wrong you can't see what the reason is, since it's all hidden away |
| 20:07.57 | enntee | sepski: yep. |
| 20:08.20 | S4nD3r_ | How to fix a fstab file, I think my one crashed |
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| 20:08.28 | greycat | S4nD3r_: editor |
| 20:08.37 | S4nD3r_ | I try it |
| 20:08.38 | ipscgui | the attitude: you do not need a gui, use the command line, learn to compile from source! do not use openoffice or abiword, use vim or vigor.bollocks! |
| 20:08.41 | solomonn | beardy: afaik. don't see any displacement and all the led's etc. work |
| 20:08.43 | sepski | enntee, then the link from rc2.d contains some error like missins Sxx insfront or trying to load the iptables before networking or something |
| 20:08.54 | LSorensen | ipscgui: actually compiling from source is something most people should not need to know how to do |
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| 20:08.58 | greycat | ipscgui: use apt-get install instead of compiling. |
| 20:09.03 | greycat | ipscgui: the rest sounds good. |
| 20:09.03 | S4nD3r_ | I tried it greycat |
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| 20:09.11 | greycat | S4nD3r_: man fstab; editor /etc/fstab |
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| 20:09.15 | enntee | sepski: i'll double check it. i used update-rc.d to make the links tho =\ |
| 20:09.23 | LSorensen | ipscgui: and TeX gives way better control over a document than openoffice |
| 20:09.37 | S4nD3r_ | I know that is basic, but it was working good |
| 20:09.42 | LSorensen | ipscgui: and it's scriptable so you can save time on repeated tasks, something gui's are very bad at |
| 20:09.53 | S4nD3r_ | There were no problem to mount another partitions of my HD |
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| 20:09.58 | ipscgui | greycat: i'm looking for graphical frontend for ipsc (IP Subnet Calculator) which is currently mantained and does not depend on gnome or kde, any pointers? i can also use a different similar app (with a gui!) |
| 20:10.02 | S4nD3r_ | But, suddenly it stopped to mount them |
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| 20:10.15 | S4nD3r_ | shows messages as fs is wrong |
| 20:10.22 | LSorensen | ipscgui: calculating ip addresses and subnets is so trivial I can't even imagine what a tool would do for you |
| 20:10.25 | S4nD3r_ | the partitions are VFAT and NTFS |
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| 20:10.51 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: does your kernel have support for those filesystems? check /proc/filesystems |
| 20:11.00 | ipscgui | LSorensen: the developers of gipsc wasted their time, right? |
| 20:11.04 | jeebers | greycat: thanks a mill.. that worked a treat.. not a perfect solution over all but i will do for now anyhow. |
| 20:11.10 | Nwallins | how can i make sure that the agpgart module isn't loaded on boot? |
| 20:11.20 | sepski | enntee, try running the link in /etc/rc2.d/Sxxiptables start manualy to verify the link, if that work try moving the link out later in the boot prossess |
| 20:11.20 | LSorensen | ipscgui: I sure think so. |
| 20:11.26 | S4nD3r_ | If I use the command mount -t vfat /dev/hdXX /XXX it works good. |
| 20:11.28 | LSorensen | ipscgui: they could have written something useful instead |
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| 20:11.39 | superSSS | I installed new kernel-image but now PALO loader doesnt want to start it becouse of error, how do i use an old kernel, what is the escape sequence from palo? |
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| 20:12.01 | ipscgui | LSorensen: they could have written another vi clone, right? |
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| 20:12.10 | S4nD3r_ | LSorensen, yes, the kernel support |
| 20:12.10 | LSorensen | superSSS: hmm, tought question. lilo uses shift, not sure about palo |
| 20:12.11 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: basics of vim are SO simple |
| 20:12.18 | greycat | !vi basics |
| 20:12.18 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 20:12.20 | LSorensen | ipscgui: vim is already perfect. don't need another |
| 20:12.23 | speedy | my local time is set to EST how can i change that? |
| 20:12.29 | superSSS | LSorensen: shift doesnt work :/ |
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| 20:12.39 | LSorensen | superSSS: not surprised. serial console? |
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| 20:12.46 | EvanCarroll | speedy: tzselect |
| 20:12.47 | superSSS | LSorensen: maybe i specify in console what to boot? |
| 20:12.49 | LSorensen | superSSS: control+c maybe, or 'break' |
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| 20:12.53 | enntee | sepski: yep, it all checks out. i wonder if maybe "iptables save active" is not saving some part of my iptables script. |
| 20:12.55 | LSorensen | superSSS: hmm, could be |
| 20:13.03 | ipscgui | tweekken_: you do not need images, and by the way why use bloatware likefirefox when you can use elinks, right? |
| 20:13.03 | LSorensen | superSSS: I haven't used parisc with linux |
| 20:13.11 | S4nD3r_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdf5, |
| 20:13.11 | S4nD3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.17 | S4nD3r_ | Its so strange |
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| 20:13.19 | greycat | hd*f*? |
| 20:13.24 | speedy | EvanCarroll: thanks |
| 20:13.25 | LSorensen | ipscgui: I do use elinks for most of my browsing. |
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| 20:13.26 | greycat | evil PCI IDE adapter things. |
| 20:13.35 | EvanCarroll | S4nD3r_: is it on an expansion card? |
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| 20:13.44 | S4nD3r_ | No |
| 20:13.52 | sepski | LSorensen, people that want to use the computer for writing a letter and paying their bills on the net, dont want to mess with vi or such they use the computer as a tool, use the right tool for the job, vi is awsome for config files, not so good for your letter to you'r grandchild. people have different needs. |
| 20:14.00 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: in order to convince someone of your ideas you must first be sure you know what they are |
| 20:14.00 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: well the wrong fs type, bad option or bad superblock are all possible, and much more likely than the last possibility |
| 20:14.02 | EvanCarroll | S4nD3r_: hrm do you need the data on it? |
| 20:14.03 | ipscgui | LSorensen: firefox and X web browsers are for wimps, right? |
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| 20:14.17 | jetscreamer | Nwallins, take it out of /etc/modules or blacklist it in discover and/or hotplug |
| 20:14.22 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: is a GUI troll? |
| 20:14.26 | LSorensen | sep: sure, they can go use an internet appliance. A PC is probably overkill for their needs. |
| 20:14.27 | travisat | I have used vim to write papers. |
| 20:14.30 | greycat | some sort of troll, to be sure. |
| 20:14.32 | S4nD3r_ | are files from another HD that Im transfering to linux partition |
| 20:14.34 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: #gui ? |
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| 20:14.45 | greycat | S4nD3r_: are you sure hdf is the right designation for it? |
| 20:14.47 | PRO1 | how do i enable ssh on debian?? |
| 20:14.51 | greycat | PRO1: apt-get install ssh |
| 20:14.53 | LSorensen | PRO1: apt-get install ssh |
| 20:14.55 | PRO1 | cheers |
| 20:14.55 | PRO1 | ;D |
| 20:15.04 | jetscreamer | and man hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 20:15.21 | S4nD3r_ | greycat, yes |
| 20:15.24 | EvanCarroll | S4nD3r_: so is that a yes or no? |
| 20:15.25 | greycat | or if it's already installed, dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 20:15.37 | LSorensen | ipscgui: firefox is for when you NEED graphics, which fortunately is not the case most of the time |
| 20:15.38 | S4nD3r_ | YES |
| 20:15.43 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: pershaps your energy could be spent writing white papers on GUIs and their purposes then rewrite EVERYthing to use GUIs |
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| 20:15.51 | ipscgui | i'm not trying to convince anyone about anything, it isjust that when you ask a question here, they do not give you THE answer (there is no such app yet,mate) |
| 20:16.02 | EvanCarroll | !trollfood |
| 20:16.02 | dpkg | i guess trollfood is Substance to feed trolls; Statements worthy for flamewars; Responces to contentius remarks; Remark made in effort to get the last word with a cantankerous unemployeed prepubescent bastard. |
| 20:16.14 | jetscreamer | 'why not just make a gui that's a front end to everything instead? |
| 20:16.15 | greycat | ipscgui: we can't definitively say "nobody has ever done XXXX", because we might be wrong. |
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| 20:16.22 | speedy | exit |
| 20:16.27 | sepski | ipscgui there is web based ip calculator if that helps you i assume the web is considered a gui ? |
| 20:16.32 | greycat | dpkg, trollfood =~ s/contentius/contentious/ |
| 20:16.33 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:16.42 | jetscreamer | use qalculate |
| 20:16.50 | greycat | dpkg, trollfood =~ s/unemployeed/unemployed/ |
| 20:16.50 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:16.50 | ricky_clarkson | Use? I can't even pronounce it. |
| 20:16.57 | jetscreamer | 1INFO QALCULATE |
| 20:17.02 | jetscreamer | OMG |
| 20:17.10 | greycat | jetscreamer: U R TEH FUNNY LOLZ |
| 20:17.13 | jetscreamer | i am the capmonster |
| 20:17.19 | LSorensen | ipscgui: besides there is a package called gipsc in debian (but likely not woody) |
| 20:17.25 | ipscgui | sepski, thanks. does it work on aPC with no internet connection |
| 20:17.42 | sepski | ipscgui, obviously not |
| 20:17.43 | jetscreamer | oh wait... there are no caps |
| 20:17.59 | ipscgui | LSorensen, did you read my question? no gnome dependency! |
| 20:18.07 | jetscreamer | !info qalculate |
| 20:18.12 | solomonn | yeah, i didn't have speaker support in my kernel. hehehehe. |
| 20:18.13 | dpkg | qalculate: (Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.7.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1622 kB, Installed size: 4880 kB |
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| 20:18.46 | jetscreamer | that's a fucked up description, that thing does everything i think |
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| 20:19.00 | LSorensen | ipscgui: too bad. that's what it uses. people writing GUIs don't want to spend forever reinventing the wheel so they use nice toolkits like gnome to save time. After all they have better things to do than writing useless guis |
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| 20:19.05 | jetscreamer | 'probably' has the ipcalc too |
| 20:19.28 | RedPenguin | Darn, my new Deb machine has the two NICs switched |
| 20:19.33 | jetscreamer | i'd crank it up and look but i seem to be hobbled |
| 20:19.38 | ipscgui | LSorensen: i do not consider non gnome guis useless, do you? |
| 20:19.54 | LSorensen | ipscgui: I consider most gui frontends to command line tools useless. |
| 20:19.56 | PRO1 | i've installed debian and its all working but im a little worreid about my partitoins i wanted a couple of seperate partitions for like /home and stuff how can i check what partitions i have?? |
| 20:20.09 | tweekken_ | ipscgui: you can write your own with ANY interface(s) you wish at any time... |
| 20:20.12 | LSorensen | ipscgui: and there is nothing wrong with gnome. |
| 20:20.15 | RedPenguin | What is the easiest way to switch two NICs? |
| 20:20.18 | polytan | can have add help to install debian from nfs !?! |
| 20:20.25 | RedPenguin | Meaning eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth0 |
| 20:20.30 | LSorensen | RedPenguin: swap the order of the modules in /etc/modules? |
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| 20:20.41 | ricky_clarkson | RedPenguin: modprobe -a ne io=0xfirst,0xsecond |
| 20:20.44 | jetscreamer | easiest way is cfdisk /dev/hda (b) PRO1 .. just dont write anything |
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| 20:20.50 | robin_sz | Ronin: that qmailrocks thing? .. its even madder than DJB!! ... and thats saying someting |
| 20:20.50 | ricky_clarkson | s/ne/whatever your module is/ |
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| 20:20.56 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/partitions just gives #'s i think |
| 20:21.06 | PRO1 | ok jetscreamer thanks |
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| 20:22.05 | PRO1 | thats great its automatically given me seperate partitons for everything :)) |
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| 20:22.37 | jetscreamer | that thing will write you new partions so don't write unless you mean it |
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| 20:22.46 | S4nD3r_ | If I use the command mount -t vfat /dev/hde1 /windows/c it works good. |
| 20:23.14 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: do you have an hdf5 partition? cat /proc/partitions to see what the system found on boot |
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| 20:23.46 | S4nD3r_ | yes I have |
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| 20:24.17 | S4nD3r_ | LSorensen, I see hdf5 there |
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| 20:25.11 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: well what does this tell you: file -s /dev/hdf5 |
| 20:25.32 | S4nD3r_ | dev/hdf5: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x5a, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 16, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 16386363, sectors 24579387 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 11996, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x9e9203c, label: "DADOS " |
| 20:25.47 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: well that would be fat32/vfat then |
| 20:25.59 | ipscgui | LSorensen: i do not consider* non *gnome guis useless, do you? write my own interface front end, i am not a programmer! |
| 20:26.22 | LSorensen | ipscgui: well if you can't write one, you will have to use what exists which at the moment (in debian at least) is gnome based |
| 20:26.33 | ipscgui | ok.thanks |
| 20:26.33 | asplodzor_ | what about kde? |
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| 20:26.47 | LSorensen | ipscgui: and in my experience gnome is way nicer for a programer than kde's awful mess |
| 20:26.52 | asplodzor_ | ah |
| 20:27.05 | LSorensen | ipscgui: I have written both kde and gnome stuff, and the gnome stuff is way more sane |
| 20:27.08 | S4nD3r_ | Why doesnt accept that in my fstab file? |
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| 20:27.15 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: wrong syntax? |
| 20:27.18 | S4nD3r_ | /dev/hdf5 /windows/F vfat rw,alunos,gid=alunos,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 20:27.20 | PRO1 | when i try to add a user account i get "groupadd: unable to lock group file" any ideas? |
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| 20:27.37 | Ronin | robin_sz: madder? its a cake walke to install it |
| 20:27.52 | LSorensen | S4nD3r_: the option after rw, looks unvalid. should that be uid= ? |
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| 20:28.13 | robin_sz | Ronin: did you follow all the instructions? |
| 20:28.15 | S4nD3r_ | Oh.... myyyyyy |
| 20:28.26 | S4nD3r_ | I got the error |
| 20:28.33 | vahid | :(( debian can't detect sound card , i'm new in linux ( mandrake and suse and fedora work wel l by sound card , what can i do ? |
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| 20:28.37 | S4nD3r_ | rw, alunos, gid=alunos... its duplicated |
| 20:28.40 | Ronin | robin_sz: yes, well except for clamav, i have no windows machines connecting to the mail server so i don't need the avp |
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| 20:29.03 | greycat | vahid: install sarge. |
| 20:29.09 | greycat | vahid: don't use an Audigy 2. |
| 20:29.14 | greycat | NEXT! |
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| 20:29.28 | asplodzor_ | is the Audigy 2 not supported in sarge? |
| 20:29.31 | robin_sz | Ronin: it starts off with create a /downloads directory. anyone who starts off creating random directories in / for storing install files i as mad as djb |
| 20:29.46 | jetscreamer | ipscgui, why do we need to know these things, btw |
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| 20:29.59 | greycat | asplodzor_: probably not in any version of Linux that uses OSS, which Sarge uses by default. It *might* work in ALSA, which is in sarge, but which is not the default. |
| 20:30.03 | vahid | greycat, i install sarge |
| 20:30.08 | Ronin | then delete the thing when the install is done, its just a repository for when you extract the packages |
| 20:30.13 | vahid | greycat, net install |
| 20:30.18 | tetron | I have a packaging question. there's a debhelper script which is supposed to scan all the binaries in a package and generate dependency info in ${misc:Depends}. what's that program called? |
| 20:30.21 | jarmo | hmm.. it didn't work with that.. another hd says you don't have permissions, and another one says that access denied =D |
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| 20:30.34 | jetscreamer | alsa is the default in sarge d-i, if that wasn't clear |
| 20:30.37 | Zap-W | need examples for configuring ppp device with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:30.46 | RoundQube | i just installed fluxbox and up til about a minute ago, i could start it as reg user but now X only loads as root. Any ideas? I've looked at the log file and no errors. |
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| 20:31.48 | jetscreamer | RoundQube, did you upgrade sometime recently? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common has something that seems similar, might be something different |
| 20:31.52 | RedPenguin | I just want to add in the newest ftape into my precompiled kernel, can I do this without taking tons of time and compiling and stuff? |
| 20:32.05 | robin_sz | Ronin: sigh .. creating things in / is bad. |
| 20:32.10 | jetscreamer | yeah RedPenguin just modprobe it |
| 20:32.10 | valdyn_ | Zap-W: iface ppp0 inet ppp \ provider dsl-provider |
| 20:32.18 | jetscreamer | or use modconf |
| 20:32.33 | Ronin | then dont do it, only takes 30 minutes to get up and runnign but hey to each thier own |
| 20:32.35 | RedPenguin | All I know is that I need at least ftape 4 for my tape drive |
| 20:32.42 | jetscreamer | iirc the ftape modules are compiled as modules by default with stock debian kernels |
| 20:32.54 | RedPenguin | And it doesn't seem to be in the last kernel I used but I selected a slightly newer kernel this time |
| 20:33.11 | jetscreamer | not sure the version though |
| 20:33.27 | NaRCoT | Help Please: Since I've tried to installed 'smb4k' and crached my Xserver I can't use 'apt-get'. always the same error: 'dpkg: error prossecing xxxxxxx.deb trying to overwrite xxxxx.desktop which also in pkg xxxxx E: subproccess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' I found a bug report on it but I can't get rid of it....what Do I have to do? |
| 20:33.41 | jarmo | well, if I'm @ uid:1000 and gid:1000, and those are in fstab, why can't I access those hd's? |
| 20:33.50 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: paste the full output of the dpkg run into #flood |
| 20:34.02 | dondelelcaro | jarmo: what is the output of mount for those harddrives? |
| 20:34.07 | RoundQube | hmm jetscreamer, still didn't work although it looked like it might have |
| 20:34.16 | jarmo | U mean partition or..? |
| 20:34.20 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: How do I do it with ircII? |
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| 20:34.23 | jarmo | newbie still =) |
| 20:34.23 | RoundQube | i know permissions are fine on my xserver because it worked a lil while ago |
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| 20:34.35 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: dunno, if you can't figure it out, use the paster bot. |
| 20:34.36 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 20:34.37 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 20:34.44 | ipscgui | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 20:34.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.01 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: don't EVER run --force-all. |
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| 20:35.07 | RedPenguin | jetscreamer, yeah that is what I mean, I just want to upgrade the version of ftape, but I wasn't sure of what other to do excpet use the ftape sources |
| 20:35.09 | NunyerB | sup all |
| 20:35.13 | RedPenguin | But the ftape sources want the kernel sources |
| 20:35.15 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: if you need specific options, use the exact --force that you need |
| 20:35.21 | RoundQube | sup NunyerB |
| 20:35.21 | NaRCoT | dendelelcaro: I can't use a browser, I'm Xserverless |
| 20:35.26 | Zap-W | iface ppp1 inet ppp |
| 20:35.26 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.30 | Zap-W | good enouth? |
| 20:35.32 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, lynx |
| 20:35.37 | Zap-W | oops |
| 20:35.39 | jarmo | what did you mean by that output of mount? |
| 20:35.41 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: well, then you need to at least fill in what the xxxx stuff is. |
| 20:35.52 | valdyn_ | Zap-W: yes |
| 20:35.52 | POVaddct | NaRCoT: w3m, links |
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| 20:35.54 | dondelelcaro | jarmo: just run mount; and then tell me what it says for the harddrives that you can't access. |
| 20:36.03 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: I'll write the full msg... |
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| 20:36.32 | NunyerB | long time slack user here (off an on) i got a few really old systems here that im gonna combine to make a 1/2 way descent linux box. my question is the powersupply this box has, has only 3 molex connectors. i have 3 3.2gigers and 1 32x cdrom. which way do u think i should go |
| 20:36.46 | NunyerB | should i just toss out the cdrom? |
| 20:36.58 | dondelelcaro | NunyerB: the number of connectors doesn't matter. The wattage of the powersupply does. |
| 20:37.07 | greycat | !dict descent |
| 20:37.11 | valdyn_ | NunyerB: how the fuck should we know |
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| 20:37.19 | RoundQube | NunyerB: just use a power splitter or buy a cheap power supply that has enough connectors because the more wattage one will |
| 20:37.23 | NunyerB | i dont think the box has space for 3 drives and a cdrom |
| 20:37.24 | NunyerB | lol |
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| 20:37.37 | RoundQube | NunyerB: then buy a new case w/ psu |
| 20:37.40 | jarmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.40 | jetscreamer | NunyerB, they sell y adapters for like 2.95 |
| 20:37.41 | dondelelcaro | it's a harddrive. You can tape the thing anywhere you want to |
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| 20:37.44 | jarmo | that's what it says |
| 20:37.56 | jetscreamer | ntfs rw?? |
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| 20:38.01 | sepski | NunyerB, that's ok most of the stuff that's "in" my pc hang from wires on the outside anyway |
| 20:38.02 | jarmo | ohmy |
| 20:38.13 | jarmo | well but still can't connect to that another one |
| 20:38.14 | dondelelcaro | jarmo: ok, then you haven't mounted it with the appropriate uid, gid, fmask ,dmask, and umask options. |
| 20:38.17 | abeco | hello does somebody know about a howto or something well explained about how to install linux on an externel usb disk (20 GB) without usb boot support on the motherboard? (burning a cdrom with boot) |
| 20:38.21 | jetscreamer | don't write to it eh... and if you do, man ntfsfix |
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| 20:38.42 | NunyerB | :) |
| 20:38.43 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 20:38.44 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:39.00 | jarmo | what about that umask thingy? |
| 20:39.16 | sepski | abeco, generaly bootloader+kernel+initrd with the nessesary usb/fs drivers on the cd and filesystem on usb |
| 20:39.16 | jarmo | not needed? |
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| 20:39.19 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: error: 'dpkg: error prossecing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase_4%3a2.2.2-14.9_i386.deb trying to overwrite /usr/share/local/l10n/caribbean.desktop which also in pkg kdebase-data E: subproccess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' |
| 20:39.21 | dondelelcaro | jarmo: you don't need to set it if you set fmask and dmask |
| 20:39.37 | jarmo | well it didn't work last time I tried it.. |
| 20:39.39 | abeco | sepski the problem is that i don't know how to do that... |
| 20:39.41 | jarmo | but gotta try again then |
| 20:39.42 | stew | NaRCoT: did you check the bts yet? |
| 20:39.45 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: file a bug against kdebase-data (or kdebase) and dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase_4%3a2.2.2-14.9_i386.deb; |
| 20:39.50 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: But I get it with other pkgs too, that's why I wrote xxxx before.... |
| 20:39.55 | Nolius | hello can somebody help me to add my appl graphmonkey.sourceforge.net into debian distro? |
| 20:39.56 | PRO1 | do my partitions look OK? > http://www.pastebin.com/248479 i have got nothing installed but im getting drive full errors on boot?? |
| 20:39.59 | jarmo | are those 0222 numbers the one's to be added or something else? |
| 20:39.59 | dondelelcaro | !info kdebase |
| 20:40.03 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 20:40.09 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: which version of Debian is this, by the way? |
| 20:40.16 | dondelelcaro | !info kdebase woody |
| 20:40.19 | Curtman | Is there some way to have a package like samba installed, but not have it added to /etc/rcX.d/ every time I apt-get upgrade? I'd much rather just manually start it when needed. |
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| 20:40.24 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:40.26 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE core applications), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.2-14.8 (woody), Packaged size: 6333 kB, Installed size: 16280 kB |
| 20:40.28 | sepski | abeco, you should also be able to use a floppy i guess. easier to try out stuff before you burn it on cd |
| 20:40.30 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: Ver. 3.1 |
| 20:40.42 | ribnitz | do I need the 75 dpi fonts if my display does 100 dpi? |
| 20:40.43 | abeco | sepski my laptop has no floppy |
| 20:40.43 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: you've still got woody packages kicking around, though. |
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| 20:40.52 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: 2.2.2-14.8 is woody, not sarge. |
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| 20:41.14 | dondelelcaro | NaRCoT: you need to fix your sources.list to point at sarge and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; until these errors stabalize |
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| 20:41.19 | Blackvel | how can I list which packages I have installed on 3.0? apt-get? apt-cache? |
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| 20:41.30 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |
| 20:41.32 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 20:41.32 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^[hi]i|awk '{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 20:41.41 | ribnitz | Blackvel: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 20:42.05 | Blackvel | oh, hadnt known that dpkg (its some vserver with debian) |
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| 20:42.10 | Blackvel | cool stuff! |
| 20:42.12 | NaRCoT | dondelelcaro: How do I fix my sources ? How do I know which ones are ok and which aren't ? |
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| 20:42.29 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: apt-setup |
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| 20:42.29 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, try dselect... |
| 20:42.48 | NaRCoT | But how Do I know which ones to select ? |
| 20:42.52 | Blackvel | anyone using postfix with some webmailer? |
| 20:43.10 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt for a looksee |
| 20:43.11 | Blackvel | is IMAP and squirrelmail really the only way to go? |
| 20:43.14 | ribnitz | Blackvel: exim + horde here. |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | dpkg, installed =~ s#grep ^[hi]i|awk '#awk '/^[hi]i/# |
| 20:43.18 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain 'grep ^[hi]i|awk '' |
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| 20:43.35 | ribnitz | Blackvel: also, how much do you ask from your webmailer? |
| 20:43.42 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: how would I know what to choose ? |
| 20:43.47 | RoundQube | jetscreamer: any clues as to why else X wont start as regular user? |
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| 20:43.54 | greycat | dpkg, installed packages =~ s#grep ^[hi]i|awk '#awk '/^[hi]i/# |
| 20:43.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:43.57 | greycat | !installed |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
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| 20:44.04 | jarmo | should there be some kinda boot or something to be added or done after those lines???? |
| 20:44.10 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, try apt-spy like they said, or apt-setup is another i think |
| 20:44.27 | jarmo | 'cause it didn't work =) |
| 20:44.30 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, or just change the countrycode and change sid to sarge or whatever |
| 20:44.32 | Blackvel | ribnitz: it's a really very basic vServer system with aprox 2 pop3 accounts. that shouldn't get any webmailer into much trouble |
| 20:44.53 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: where can I find the sid ? |
| 20:45.01 | jetscreamer | jarmo, no if you mean that factoid... but that line does work if all else is correct |
| 20:45.06 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, you don't want sid |
| 20:45.09 | ribnitz | Blackvel: but do you want calendaring/addressbook/... or just a basic webmail? |
| 20:45.15 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, are you running sarge or woody |
| 20:45.24 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: debian 3.1 |
| 20:45.26 | jarmo | well they must be if I can access to those hd's on root account.. |
| 20:45.46 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: Where do I have to change it? |
| 20:45.58 | jetscreamer | jarmo, did you change the uid and gid? or are you in the cdrom group if you didn't change the gid? |
| 20:46.07 | ribnitz | Blackvel: ilohamail is about the most basic I can think of, else its horde, or squirrelmail, or whatever. |
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| 20:46.15 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: In 'apt-setup' I have to choose what I want and I won't know the answers for that.... |
| 20:46.16 | jarmo | they're now 1000 both of em as mine uid & gid |
| 20:46.19 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, change what says sid to sarge, using that sources.list as a template |
| 20:46.33 | ricky_clarkson | !install gentoo |
| 20:46.47 | ricky_clarkson | !install gentoo is <reply>It takes three commands to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 20:46.47 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 20:46.53 | jetscreamer | errr change unstable to sarge |
| 20:47.07 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: nothing says sid or sarge in there... |
| 20:47.13 | jarmo | who? |
| 20:47.16 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: ok... |
| 20:47.32 | NunyerB | what proc overclocks better a PII 300 or PII 333 |
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| 20:47.42 | NunyerB | i also have a PII 266 |
| 20:47.43 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: "stable" = woody, 'testing = sarge, 'unstable' 0 sid |
| 20:47.44 | NunyerB | :) |
| 20:48.03 | Kbyte | * |
| 20:48.05 | NaRCoT | ribnitz: thanks |
| 20:48.12 | jarmo | well?? |
| 20:48.18 | jarmo | ideas? |
| 20:48.22 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 20:48.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen sex-crazed dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:48.25 | jetscreamer | RoundQube, one thing happened to me once that did that was ~/.ICEauthority and ~/.Xauthority had their permissions fuxored |
| 20:48.25 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: so change woody to sarge |
| 20:48.37 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, ^^ |
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| 20:48.57 | NaRCoT | ribnitz: so everywhere it says stable needs to be changed to sarge ? |
| 20:49.06 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: yep. |
| 20:49.10 | Curtman | Is there some way to have a package like samba installed, but not have it added to /etc/rcX.d/ every time I apt-get upgrade? I'd much rather just manually start it when needed. |
| 20:49.12 | jetscreamer | jarmo, paste your fstab in a pastebot |
| 20:49.13 | foob4rt | Who runs the top-level domain name zone? |
| 20:49.14 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 20:49.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 20:49.20 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: except for security, which isnt there yet. |
| 20:49.36 | greycat | foob4rt: which one? ;-) |
| 20:49.37 | NaRCoT | ribnitz: ok, I'll try that... |
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| 20:49.45 | jarmo | where's that pastebox =D sorry for my newbie thingy =) |
| 20:49.46 | foob4rt | greycat: "." |
| 20:50.01 | greycat | foob4rt: depends on which root.hints file you use. |
| 20:50.03 | jarmo | something like !paste? |
| 20:50.08 | jetscreamer | !tell jarmo about paste |
| 20:50.10 | greycat | you mean the one that MOST people use? |
| 20:50.20 | ribnitz | I dont need 75 dpi fontas for X do I? |
| 20:50.28 | foob4rt | greycat: ok...I'm curious. Which one is that? |
| 20:50.34 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, i 'think' i read you don't have to, but i don't remember |
| 20:50.37 | stew | foob4rt: type dig, you'll get a list of root servers, then run whois on each |
| 20:50.41 | jarmo | it is there already |
| 20:50.46 | jarmo | no help from it |
| 20:50.47 | jetscreamer | where |
| 20:50.51 | jarmo | on fstab |
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| 20:50.57 | jetscreamer | where is the paste |
| 20:50.57 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: My display does 100 dpi.. |
| 20:51.08 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, i dunno, i just think i remember |
| 20:51.10 | foob4rt | stew: but I assume those are all synchronized from a central registry, which all the registrars update. |
| 20:51.27 | stew | foob4rt: yes, thats what the root servers are |
| 20:51.34 | jarmo | oh damn |
| 20:51.40 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:51.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.58 | jarmo | just can't get any sence from this thingy.. |
| 20:52.01 | Blackvel | ribnitz: I am not sure about calendaring/addressbook. I even do not use outlook 2002 yet. I have to upgrade to it some day so I can syncronize with my PDA. so no, I do not use these functions for the moment and there is no requirement for them in a webmailer |
| 20:52.02 | jarmo | too hard |
| 20:52.02 | greycat | that's *probably* who you wanted me to say. |
| 20:52.08 | jetscreamer | what thingy |
| 20:52.10 | foob4rt | greycat: How did Internic fit in? |
| 20:52.13 | jarmo | linux thingy =P |
| 20:52.18 | stew | foob4rt: i think the answer you are looking for is network solutions |
| 20:52.24 | jetscreamer | jarmo, did you paste your fstab somewhere? |
| 20:52.27 | greycat | foob4rt: I don't know the whole history of the internet, sorry. |
| 20:52.30 | jarmo | not =D |
| 20:52.31 | greycat | foob4rt: I use OpenNIC at home. |
| 20:52.35 | jarmo | just trying.. |
| 20:52.42 | jarmo | was it #flood? |
| 20:52.43 | jetscreamer | can't see it from here dude :) |
| 20:52.50 | jarmo | or |
| 20:52.52 | stew | internic is gone replaced by icann |
| 20:52.52 | jetscreamer | #flood or paste in a bot |
| 20:52.59 | jetscreamer | !tell jarmo about paste |
| 20:53.20 | jetscreamer | jarmo, /msg dpkg paste next time eh :) |
| 20:53.25 | ribnitz | Blackvel: take ilohamail. |
| 20:53.41 | ribnitz | Blackvel: very basic webmailer that does just that. |
| 20:54.23 | omry_ | how do I activate tun module (and have /dev/net/tun) ? |
| 20:54.42 | jarmo | I just can't use this even.. don't be mad to me =/ |
| 20:54.59 | jarmo | I haven't got any usage for irc earlier than this.. |
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| 20:55.03 | EvanCarroll | !tun |
| 20:55.04 | dpkg | i heard tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 20:55.10 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: will it solve the 'apt-get' errors problem? |
| 20:55.15 | jetscreamer | http://www.internic.net/ |
| 20:55.17 | jarmo | did it came through? |
| 20:55.25 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, should.. do apt-get update first |
| 20:55.35 | Curtman | omry_: Check /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt |
| 20:55.56 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: already did, I'm 'apt-get -f upgrade' now... |
| 20:55.56 | jarmo | oh well |
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| 20:56.11 | jarmo | it isn't going to work tho |
| 20:56.23 | stew | NaRCoT: if you are trying to go from woody to sarge, see /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:56.29 | jarmo | why it has to be so f----ing hard |
| 20:56.34 | jetscreamer | jarmo, that's the mount output.. i want to see /etc/fstab , the file |
| 20:56.40 | jarmo | ah |
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| 20:56.50 | jetscreamer | jarmo, it gets easier after the first 1000000000 times... :) |
| 20:56.58 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.23 | jarmo | /msg dpkg /dev/hde1/media/kovo2vfatrw,users,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 |
| 20:57.23 | jarmo | /dev/hdf5/media/kovo3ntfsrw,users,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 |
| 20:57.33 | jarmo | well |
| 20:57.34 | jarmo | hmm |
| 20:57.34 | jetscreamer | nonono not here :) |
| 20:57.37 | omry_ | Curtman, I don't have Documents, what should I install to get it? |
| 20:57.40 | jarmo | I saw too late |
| 20:57.43 | NaRCoT | stew: thank you... |
| 20:57.47 | jarmo | enter was faster than me |
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| 20:57.55 | Skaag | omg i love debian so much |
| 20:57.57 | Skaag | :-) |
| 20:58.00 | jarmo | I don't |
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| 20:58.04 | jarmo | I hate it already |
| 20:58.08 | sepski | Skaag,who dosnt :) |
| 20:58.13 | Curtman | omry_: Documents? It's in the kernel source. |
| 20:58.14 | Skaag | jarmo: you will mature |
| 20:58.17 | jarmo | never |
| 20:58.26 | ricky_clarkson | /part I hate teh Debain! /j #windows |
| 20:58.29 | Skaag | jarmo: seen it, done it.. |
| 20:58.34 | jarmo | and fucked it up |
| 20:58.35 | marcin | could someone help me and tell how to write simple script which will check periodically (cron) if ppp connection exists and restart /etc/init.d/networking when ppp is broken? |
| 20:58.43 | Skaag | :-) |
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| 20:58.55 | RedPenguin | Isn't it usually /dev/eth*? I am using ethernet but /dev/eth* is no where |
| 20:59.09 | NaRCoT | stew: I can't 'apt-get install aptitude' cause my 'apt' doesn't work... |
| 20:59.09 | Curtman | omry_: I can mirror it for you here if you like. ;) http://curtman.mine.nu/~curtis/tuntap.txt |
| 20:59.13 | EvanCarroll | marcin: the ppp dameon should be able to do that |
| 20:59.22 | ricky_clarkson | NaRCoT: sup with apt-get? |
| 20:59.30 | jarmo | well was there any help from that fstab paste? |
| 20:59.43 | jarmo | or should I again format this partition? |
| 20:59.48 | cartel_ | hey guys |
| 20:59.52 | sepski | RedPenguin, it's usualy just eth0 what context ? |
| 21:00.00 | marcin | EvanCarroll: should but it doesn't restart connection |
| 21:00.01 | jarmo | haven't got use for unworking os =P |
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| 21:00.07 | omry_ | Curtman, thanks :) |
| 21:00.11 | stew | NaRCoT: then you need to try repeating apt-get dist-upgrade ;apt-get -f install until it fixes itself i guess |
| 21:00.22 | stew | NaRCoT: or backup your data and start over with d-i |
| 21:00.32 | NaRCoT | ricky_clarkson: I always get the same error about proccessing ***.deb then trying to overwrite - > error, then it ends with errors... |
| 21:00.34 | marcin | EvanCarroll: persist option in pppd script doesnt work |
| 21:00.39 | omry_ | Curtman, just saved me ~40mb download of kernel sources for the wrong kernel :) |
| 21:00.47 | jetscreamer | jarmo, tell me what ls -l /bin/mount returns |
| 21:00.49 | ricky_clarkson | NaRCoT: That's amazingly nonspecific. Do you aim towards vagueness? |
| 21:00.52 | stew | ricky_clarkson: he's running mixed woody/sarge/sid |
| 21:01.03 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Or "sid with some old packages". |
| 21:01.04 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, use dselect |
| 21:01.05 | EvanCarroll | marcin: not using ppd, srry =/ |
| 21:01.14 | jetscreamer | ewwwwww |
| 21:01.23 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | fix-unmet is probably run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 21:01.26 | NaRCoT | ricky_clarkson: that's because I already pasted it twice in the channel and it's long.... |
| 21:01.38 | RedPenguin | sepski, well I should now have /dev/eth0 and /dev/eth1, but I don't see even /dev/eth anything but I don't see how the heck that can be possible if I just SSHed into it on the one Ethernet card |
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| 21:02.04 | sepski | RedPenguin, you never have those, ever. what do you need them for ? |
| 21:02.09 | jarmo | and where you want that paste.. |
| 21:02.15 | ricky_clarkson | NaRCoT: Perhaps you should use a Uniform Resource Locator. |
| 21:02.22 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: Which ones to choose with dselect ? |
| 21:02.22 | jetscreamer | jarmo, here is cool, it's one line right? |
| 21:02.34 | jarmo | aw |
| 21:02.35 | settledown | i got "error while initializing sound driver" at login |
| 21:02.36 | jarmo | yep |
| 21:02.36 | RedPenguin | Well, where would I configure my second ethernet card then? |
| 21:02.38 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, choose nothing, follow instruchtions, hit enter a lot |
| 21:02.39 | RedPenguin | Isn't it still eth1? |
| 21:02.41 | jarmo | it shouldn't be |
| 21:02.44 | jarmo | but is still =P |
| 21:02.44 | stew | NaRCoT: /lastlog dondelelcaro and read his advice, the --force-overwrite will get you past your current woe |
| 21:02.47 | sepski | RedPenguin, in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 21:02.49 | ricky_clarkson | RedPenguin: What makes you think that you should have /dev/eth anything? |
| 21:02.54 | settledown | how do i reconfigure the sound driver |
| 21:03.02 | NaRCoT | ricky_clarkson: what's Uniform Resource Locator ? |
| 21:03.03 | jetscreamer | ok #flood is cool jarmo |
| 21:03.13 | jarmo | it works with that? |
| 21:03.14 | RedPenguin | ricky_clarkson, well, just because I am used to other distros and they usually all had them is all |
| 21:03.16 | jetscreamer | uri, kinda like a url but a little different |
| 21:03.17 | jarmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.21 | jetscreamer | just flood |
| 21:03.23 | dieguito | is something happening with php4-mysql package? or php packages in general? mysql module is not working ... im using lastest version of everything on sid |
| 21:03.28 | jarmo | flood -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 76888 2004-09-24 07:34 /bin/mount |
| 21:03.30 | jarmo | =D |
| 21:03.32 | jarmo | just can't sorry |
| 21:03.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:03.38 | NaRCoT | stew: I'll try that.. |
| 21:03.45 | stew | dieguito: did you check the bts? |
| 21:03.49 | jetscreamer | no while in flood chan, but that's cool your mount permissions are fine :/ |
| 21:03.52 | ribnitz | dieguito: didnt they switch to 4.1? |
| 21:04.07 | RedPenguin | This is very interesting |
| 21:04.10 | RedPenguin | no /etc/networking |
| 21:04.23 | dieguito | ribnitz, then i should install mysql 4.1 server? |
| 21:04.27 | sepski | network sorry |
| 21:04.27 | RedPenguin | If it is supposed to be there, it should, I just installed this machine |
| 21:04.30 | RedPenguin | Oh |
| 21:04.30 | juhov | RedPenguin: it's /etc/network |
| 21:04.46 | jarmo | next idea =) |
| 21:04.51 | ribnitz | dieguito: no idea there, but I heard people fussing about 4.1 |
| 21:04.54 | sepski | RedPenguin, i never remember them exactly i just write the first 3 letters and use the [tab] key |
| 21:05.02 | dieguito | stew, no idea what is bts... |
| 21:05.04 | RedPenguin | Oh I think networking is like RedHat |
| 21:05.06 | stew | !btssmite dieguito |
| 21:05.19 | stew | dieguito: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:05.23 | jetscreamer | jarmo, those lines you have in your fstab should work, (but hey change the fmask on the ntfs one to 0333) so either your uid is wrong (id in console to check) or your filesystem types are worng, or... try chowning the mountpoint directory (while it's not mounted) |
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| 21:05.26 | sepski | RedPenguin, not exactly, this is more sane |
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| 21:05.54 | RedPenguin | lol sep] |
| 21:05.59 | RedPenguin | I mean /etc/networking i think is RedHat |
| 21:06.09 | NaRCoT | stew: what was the exect command? overwrite kdebase_4 with which pkg ? |
| 21:06.18 | Markaci | What does "cat /etc/debian_version" spit out for sid? |
| 21:06.25 | jetscreamer | that whould be chown jarmo:jarmo /media/kovo* or something |
| 21:06.41 | RedPenguin | Just out of curiousity, if you have to functional networking cards running and can both access the Internet, does most stuff just still use eth0 to download stuff? |
| 21:06.44 | ricky_clarkson | Markaci: 3.1 |
| 21:06.53 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, scroll up or type /lastlog dondelelcaro |
| 21:07.09 | sepski | RedPenguin, depends on how your routes are setup |
| 21:07.10 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:07.13 | Markaci | sarge says 3.1 too. >_> |
| 21:07.22 | sepski | RedPenguin, the one that have the default gw is used |
| 21:07.22 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
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| 21:07.43 | RedPenguin | k, second one configured |
| 21:07.51 | RedPenguin | Just need to figure out how to bring it up |
| 21:07.55 | robin_sz | #join #qmail |
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| 21:08.12 | jarmo | they're just correct, as I suspected : uid=1000(jarmo) gid=1000(jarmo) |
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| 21:08.31 | sepski | RedPenguin, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:08.34 | NaRCoT | jetscreamer: lastlog gives me nothing except your msg |
| 21:08.40 | apnea | default compiler doesn't have multibyte support? |
| 21:08.43 | sepski | RedPenguin, or ifup eth1 |
| 21:08.57 | RedPenguin | O |
| 21:08.58 | RedPenguin | h |
| 21:09.14 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to merge several postscript files into one file? |
| 21:09.38 | jarmo | gotta try to change that folder thingy which you told, thanks anyway [thinking windows again =D] |
| 21:09.43 | RedPenguin | Everything looks good |
| 21:09.44 | RedPenguin | ;) |
| 21:10.00 | RedPenguin | I can half SSH in, if it will just hurry up and ask me for the password |
| 21:10.25 | RedPenguin | Done |
| 21:10.26 | RedPenguin | ;) |
| 21:10.27 | RedPenguin | ty |
| 21:10.28 | Skaag | RedPenguin: it might have problems doing reverse dns on you |
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| 21:10.56 | jarmo | g2g, I'll be back to tell if it works \o |
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| 21:11.25 | RedPenguin | Skaag, that might be it |
| 21:11.30 | gary | Hello, i've just installed a new 2.6 kernel. Could someone please remind me what the mouse device is named under this kernel. I got it working yesterday, but i can't remember what it was. The mouse device was /dev/aux under 2.4, but it's now changed. Any ideas? |
| 21:11.48 | RedPenguin | Becuase now it kinda lags logging into SSH on both NICs |
| 21:11.48 | PerfDave | !2.6 mouse |
| 21:11.49 | dpkg | well, 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 21:12.00 | gary | hmmm |
| 21:12.12 | RedPenguin | But after logging into SSH, it is back to normal |
| 21:12.14 | Skaag | gary: I personally use /dev/input/mice or something like that |
| 21:12.17 | WageSlave | ./dev/psaux |
| 21:12.32 | gary | Skaag: thanks |
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| 21:12.39 | gary | WageSlave: i tried that one :-\ |
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| 21:12.47 | Skaag | gary: which version from the 2.6.x branch? |
| 21:12.50 | cartel_ | uh |
| 21:12.53 | Skaag | (just out of curiosity) |
| 21:12.57 | stew | gary: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 21:13.01 | gary | I can't really visit any urls as i am not in X, aww, i guess i'll manually type them into links |
| 21:13.05 | gary | let me just see |
| 21:13.09 | RedPenguin | Skaag, any solution to the rDNS issue? |
| 21:13.19 | PerfDave | gary: use screen to copy and paste URLs from irssi :) |
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| 21:13.24 | WageSlave | ./dev/usb/mouse* |
| 21:13.26 | WageSlave | heh |
| 21:13.33 | Skaag | RedPenguin: not that I know of :-) |
| 21:13.35 | RedPenguin | Oh wait, I think like DNS is messed up on everything now |
| 21:13.43 | WageSlave | Keep guessing all day I guess. |
| 21:13.43 | RedPenguin | It is taking forever to just DNS on a ping |
| 21:13.44 | WageSlave | laff |
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| 21:13.53 | gary | 2.6.10-1-K7 |
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| 21:14.20 | gary | PerfDave: well i can't use my mouse :-\ |
| 21:14.24 | sepski | RedPenguin, check your resolv.conf and test that the servers in there are reachable |
| 21:14.28 | PerfDave | gary: You don't need to |
| 21:14.28 | NaRCoT | jetscream: stew: dondelelcaro: It worked !! thank you all ! :) |
| 21:14.35 | gary | oh |
| 21:14.41 | RedPenguin | I just restarted networking and it went back to normal |
| 21:14.46 | cartel_ | R0AR |
| 21:14.49 | RedPenguin | I only used ifup before |
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| 21:15.03 | sepski | RedPenguin, also check that you only have 1 default gw unless your doing a dual uplink system that is |
| 21:15.09 | gary | how can i check to see if /dev/input/mouse or whatever is my device? |
| 21:15.24 | RedPenguin | Wow, this is so cool to me, I never really had the change to have two addresses for one machine. |
| 21:15.36 | gary | do i have to manually put it into Xfree86Config-4 ? |
| 21:15.37 | RedPenguin | I figured I might as well try it, since my one system was down and I am sicked and tired of trying to fix it |
| 21:15.41 | ribnitz | gary: usually the mouse maps to /dev/psaux |
| 21:15.52 | sepski | gary, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:15.56 | RedPenguin | It has to be overheating or something and on the net I found out Intel recalled the processor but now they say they didn't |
| 21:16.06 | drac | gary: You mean /dev/input/mice ? Try, cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse, if some rubbish appears on your screen it's the right one. |
| 21:16.15 | gary | hmm, let me try it |
| 21:16.17 | sepski | RedPenguin, why you think it's overheating ?? |
| 21:16.55 | gary | drac: i tried it, but it just paused, i moved the mouse and nothing happened |
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| 21:17.13 | gary | so it went from bash# cat /dev/input/mice to just a blank line, i then pressed ctrl + c and it stopped |
| 21:17.16 | gary | i'll try that |
| 21:17.33 | sepski | gary, then try the same with /dev/psaux |
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| 21:17.35 | ribnitz | can you recomment an audio steaming thing over a network? |
| 21:17.40 | RedPenguin | Well, no matter what OS I put on it, it will be find for a while, and all out of the blue just reboot |
| 21:17.43 | doneill | ribnitz, icecast? |
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| 21:17.57 | RedPenguin | And when I took off the processor fan, the heaksink spelled like a barbaque |
| 21:18.02 | bourne_again | Hey does anybody know where I can get an ISO for the netinstall cd for "sarge" |
| 21:18.09 | RedPenguin | Plus my mother thought something was burning in the room |
| 21:18.10 | sepski | RedPenguin, outch.. |
| 21:18.14 | gary | i tried sepski i tried that all ready |
| 21:18.24 | ribnitz | doneill: with a nice web interface, etc? |
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| 21:18.45 | gary | drac, sepski : could it be that the module isn't loaded or something like that? |
| 21:18.54 | sepski | RedPenguin, the coller is rated for that cpu ? then get some cooling paste to aply between cpu and cooler |
| 21:18.57 | drac | gary: yes, you have ps2 or usb mouse? |
| 21:18.58 | doneill | ribnitz, good luck |
| 21:19.08 | gary | ps2 |
| 21:19.08 | sepski | gary, you have loaded the psmouse module ? |
| 21:19.10 | drac | gary: modprobe mousedev |
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| 21:19.15 | drac | gary: and perhaps modprobe psmouse |
| 21:19.17 | ribnitz | doneill: the files are ogg vorbis. |
| 21:19.20 | RedPenguin | Well, I haven't looked into the specifics, but it isn't a computer from a factory |
| 21:19.29 | RedPenguin | My friend made it for a Christmas present |
| 21:19.30 | drac | gary: then try cat /dev/psaux again. |
| 21:19.33 | gary | drac: i done that, but it just went to another bash prompt, didn't output anything |
| 21:19.42 | gary | i tried doing that a few times before actually |
| 21:19.43 | sepski | gary, also possible mousedev |
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| 21:19.50 | drac | gary: it just means they are allready loaded. |
| 21:19.50 | bourne_again | nvr mind |
| 21:20.00 | drac | gary: modprobe should be silent :) |
| 21:20.03 | EvanCarroll | /dev/psaux is depreciated |
| 21:20.04 | ribnitz | RedPenguin: there is very little hw that cannot be gotten to work with the penguins. |
| 21:20.04 | drac | gary: look at lsmod |
| 21:20.07 | gary | yea, i think i did add them to /etc/modules yesterday |
| 21:20.11 | vahid | help me !! the Sarge can't find my sound card |
| 21:20.16 | sepski | gary, lsmod to see if they are loaded. |
| 21:20.17 | gary | drac: just done that :D |
| 21:20.21 | EvanCarroll | use /dev/input/mice on 2.6.x |
| 21:20.30 | gary | yep, it's there |
| 21:20.52 | NaRCoT | ribnitz: DO you know if there's a way to remove all unneeded pkgs/file & folders after all of the mess I made with this woody sarge upgrade...? |
| 21:21.02 | sepski | !tell vahid about alsa |
| 21:21.05 | PerfDave | NaRCoT: "unneeded" how? |
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| 21:21.24 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: apt-get autoclean, otherwise try debfoster/deborphan |
| 21:21.25 | RedPenguin | Holy cow, I accident hit my ban button, and the banlist came up and it is huge |
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| 21:21.49 | gary | hmmm |
| 21:22.10 | NaRCoT | perfdave: I had tons of pkgs I don't need now. and while 'apt-get' worked I saw lot's of couldn't delete lines... |
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| 21:22.17 | sepski | RedPenguin, big channel many assholes |
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| 21:22.37 | RedPenguin | Yeah |
| 21:22.48 | RedPenguin | I just didn't mean to look at it and it was just one big flood |
| 21:22.49 | RedPenguin | lol |
| 21:22.58 | NaRCoT | ribnitz: I already ran 'apt-get clean' & 'autoclean' but I've got lots of files & folders that weren't deleted |
| 21:23.21 | PerfDave | NaRCoT: You might want to look at deborphan and debfoster. |
| 21:23.44 | NaRCoT | thanks |
| 21:23.45 | Rambo3 | i get this error messege :" no core pointer " on start, and x cant start , i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , and it doesnt work , its a tuchpad. help |
| 21:23.51 | ribnitz | NaRCoT: thats uaually what --purge is for |
| 21:23.59 | stew | NaRCoT: whats an example of a file that you think should have been deleted? |
| 21:24.15 | ribnitz | doneill: does this thing also stream video? |
| 21:24.19 | RedPenguin | Just out of curiousity, what is some of the stuff that people do in here with mulitple NICs? |
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| 21:24.25 | RedPenguin | Besides routers and/or firewalls |
| 21:24.36 | doneill | ribnitz, no, your question didn't have 'video' in it.. |
| 21:24.39 | max | I'm trying to set up infrared device, it all seems so easy in the howtos :-/... after I use irattach status of /dev/ttyS2 is busy - where irattach is binding that device to? where should I look for infrared device? udev/2.6.10, Debian unstable |
| 21:24.44 | doneill | look on freshmeat.net |
| 21:25.20 | max | there are no /dev/ir* devices either before or after irattach |
| 21:25.45 | ribnitz | doneill: basically what I want is that through some interface (does not have to be web-frontend), I can clic on a file and it gets opened, either audio or video (dvd..) |
| 21:26.06 | sepski | RedPenguin, multiple uplinks if you need the redundancy. snifferbox with passive nic's. trafic shaping. but routes and firewalls mostly ofcouse |
| 21:26.45 | ribnitz | RedPenguin: securised connections. |
| 21:27.16 | PerfDave | Ooh, sniffer box is a good one, I forgot we had one of those. |
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| 21:28.00 | ribnitz | PerfDave: you mean that legal copying of all packets ot your friendly local authorities? |
| 21:28.05 | sussudio | in soviet russia, box sniffs you |
| 21:28.06 | sepski | snort is good for keeping crap out of your network are there any better ? |
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| 21:28.22 | bourne_again | In soviet russia, linux configures you! |
| 21:28.32 | ribnitz | sepski: snort is an ids, not a firewall. |
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| 21:28.37 | sussudio | bourne_again: reconfigures |
| 21:28.51 | bourne_again | sussudio: Reinstalls |
| 21:28.55 | RedPenguin | SnifferBoxs sound interesting |
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| 21:29.05 | sepski | ribnitz, exactly i want it to detect virus /spam runs and trojans on my /20 |
| 21:29.15 | jetscreamer | NaRCoT, run dselect, scroll down to the header where nothing is installed, (no *'s) highlight the header and hit _ |
| 21:29.19 | jetscreamer | that purges |
| 21:29.19 | mike____ | hi, what MTA is best for setting up virtual domains and accounts? |
| 21:29.22 | gary | darn my mouse |
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| 21:29.34 | vahid | what is equal of "rpm -qa" in debain ? |
| 21:29.40 | sepski | Xsquared, exim is nice |
| 21:29.42 | TiJay | hi all |
| 21:29.55 | beardy | vahid: what does it do? |
| 21:29.59 | sepski | vahid, -qa = show all right ? then dpkg -la |
| 21:30.02 | jetscreamer | man alien |
| 21:30.06 | Xsquared | sepski: i couldn't get virtual domains working in it very easily. :( |
| 21:30.06 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 21:30.07 | vahid | yes |
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| 21:30.23 | jarmo | Hi again =) |
| 21:30.29 | jarmo | it didn't work =/ |
| 21:30.36 | jarmo | but, something else appeared =D |
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| 21:30.53 | sepski | Xsquared, i'v allways used sendmail. but ill migrate when i have spare time... (something that is rare nowadays) |
| 21:31.07 | jarmo | tried to add the line to mtab 'cause told can't find from either one that mount.. but not working even with it |
| 21:31.12 | mixedup | does anyone know where i can find documentation for working with vlans and debian? |
| 21:31.24 | sussudio | mixedup: google? |
| 21:31.25 | jetscreamer | no mtab is generated automagically, you don't want to edit that one |
| 21:31.26 | PerfDave | ribnitz: We use it to detect viruses and worms attacking our LAN |
| 21:31.30 | jarmo | yep |
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| 21:31.41 | jgould | Does any one know what firmware versions are supported using the Cisco Aironet minipci cards? |
| 21:31.42 | ribnitz | PerfDave: I dont use it yet. |
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| 21:31.49 | Xsquared | sepski: at the moment im trying to setup postfix as an alternative. how do you use virtual mail... mysql or something else? |
| 21:31.49 | max | any hints about configuring infrared? |
| 21:31.56 | sussudio | jgould: ask cisco"? |
| 21:31.58 | jetscreamer | did you chown the /media stuff jarmo ? |
| 21:32.16 | sussudio | !polls |
| 21:32.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 21:32.20 | jetscreamer | aka mountpoints? |
| 21:32.20 | sepski | i use mysql on sendmail will have to use some sort of db backend ofcouse |
| 21:32.23 | jarmo | chown? |
| 21:32.32 | jetscreamer | yeah like i typed out for you earlier |
| 21:32.37 | sepski | unless it's only a few domains then flat files are good enouhf |
| 21:32.41 | jarmo | tried to change the folder to /mnt/xxx |
| 21:32.42 | jetscreamer | that whould be chown jarmo:jarmo /media/kovo* or something |
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| 21:32.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:33.04 | Xsquared | sepski: yeah, my experiences with mail havn't been great in the past. |
| 21:33.08 | jetscreamer | that would function, subsiture /mnt for /media |
| 21:33.08 | jgould | sussudio: ask cisco? |
| 21:33.09 | jarmo | or just couldn't understand you =) |
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| 21:33.17 | jetscreamer | substitute |
| 21:33.23 | linux_Tux | hello how to use apt-get to install kernel source from CD i'm using Debian sarge |
| 21:33.29 | jarmo | so what should be done now? |
| 21:33.32 | vahid | alsaconf can't find my sound card , what can i do ?! |
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| 21:33.36 | Rambo3 | what drivers do i need to for touchpad pointer... |
| 21:33.39 | jarmo | [get some sleep I think, but before that..] |
| 21:33.41 | zeeman | w00000w |
| 21:33.42 | jetscreamer | so ls -ld /mnt |
| 21:33.48 | zeeman | nice irc room |
| 21:33.49 | Stoo | Rambo3: synaptics perhaps |
| 21:33.50 | ribnitz | linux_Tux: apt-get install kernel-source... |
| 21:33.55 | jetscreamer | if that's where your fstab points, JarJarBinks |
| 21:33.56 | sepski | vahid, do you use discover ? or did you load your card modules manually ? |
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| 21:34.00 | jetscreamer | or /media |
| 21:34.14 | jarmo | and wanna know what's there? |
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| 21:34.22 | jetscreamer | just does it say YOU |
| 21:34.22 | vahid | sepski, but i don't know name of driver |
| 21:34.43 | linux_Tux | ribnitz: suppose that i'm using sarge what about the kernel version correct name if the kernel is 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 21:34.47 | vahid | sepski, "discover" ? |
| 21:34.50 | WageSlave | vahid do you have and snd* modules loaded already? |
| 21:34.54 | jarmo | what does it say?? ........... |
| 21:35.15 | jarmo | it said total 8 and then those lines |
| 21:35.16 | jetscreamer | yeah, does it say you... are you owner of those mountpoints blah blah.. no details |
| 21:35.20 | sepski | vahid, discover is a package that try to load the modules your hardware needs autmagicaly,. it's the first part of the dpkg output i showed you |
| 21:35.22 | dezuria | how to turn off xserver ? |
| 21:35.27 | sepski | !tell vahid about alsa |
| 21:35.30 | jarmo | root it said =D |
| 21:35.34 | jarmo | why's that |
| 21:35.36 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/?dm stop sometimes |
| 21:36.04 | jetscreamer | jarmo, chown jarmo:jarmo /mnt/whaterveryouuseasamountpoint |
| 21:36.15 | jetscreamer | or your username |
| 21:36.21 | vahid | sepski, tnx , i back again :) |
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| 21:36.37 | zeeman | ahh fluxbox is a biatch to install |
| 21:36.40 | jetscreamer | or just chown -R jarmo:jarmo /mnt |
| 21:36.44 | JarJarBinks | jetscreamer: ? |
| 21:36.57 | jetscreamer | ah shit sorry tabaction |
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| 21:36.59 | jarmo | done both of em |
| 21:37.02 | jarmo | and should work now? |
| 21:37.03 | JarJarBinks | np |
| 21:37.05 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 21:37.06 | sepski | vahid, use lsmod to find out what is already loaded on your system, use lspci to find out what soundcard ytou have. use google to find out what alsa module you'r soundcard needs, or just use discover to try and do it automagicaly |
| 21:37.09 | dezuria | how to turn off xserver ? |
| 21:37.16 | jetscreamer | jarmo, should |
| 21:37.24 | jetscreamer | dezuria /etc/init.d/?dm stop sometimes |
| 21:37.31 | jarmo | actually the folder opens but there's nothing inside =D |
| 21:37.37 | dezuria | tnx :) |
| 21:37.46 | jetscreamer | jarmo, mount /dev/hdb1 or whatever |
| 21:37.49 | jarmo | oh didn't even.. |
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| 21:38.20 | jarmo | says line 8 & 9 are bad |
| 21:38.33 | jarmo | that's where those your told lines exist =) |
| 21:38.35 | jetscreamer | okie.. what are 8&9.. the new ones? |
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| 21:38.41 | jarmo | yep |
| 21:38.44 | jetscreamer | post em in #flood again |
| 21:38.45 | vahid | sepski, how can i run discover , i have not "discover" command |
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| 21:38.55 | jarmo | don't tell me that #flood thingy, I just can't use it =D |
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| 21:38.58 | quittt | do you know a decent port of Doom? |
| 21:39.12 | jetscreamer | quittt, apt-cache search doom |
| 21:39.25 | jetscreamer | jarmo, you just go into that channel and you type |
| 21:39.27 | jetscreamer | or paste |
| 21:39.31 | juhov | jarmo: /join #flood, paste your stuff, /part #flood. now you can |
| 21:39.34 | vahid | sepski, in debian if i want list files of a package what parameter i must use with "dpkg" ? |
| 21:39.44 | sepski | vahid, discover runs at boot check if you have discover and version with dpkg -la | grep discover |
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| 21:40.01 | jetscreamer | or use that pastebin again |
| 21:40.09 | vahid | sepski, version 1.7.7 |
| 21:40.15 | sepski | dpkg -L package |
| 21:40.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 21:40.18 | quittt | jetscreamer, some of them sux! |
| 21:40.40 | Blackvel | ribnitz: that ilohamail, can it access postfix pop3 accounts? |
| 21:40.52 | EfaistOs | do u know how to disable devfs ? |
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| 21:40.57 | jetscreamer | quittt, google dark places |
| 21:41.01 | ribnitz | Blackvel: it accesses it through imap |
| 21:41.10 | Blackvel | hmm |
| 21:41.13 | ribnitz | Blackvel: apt-cache show ilohamail |
| 21:41.17 | sepski | vahid, check with lsmod if you have any sound modules loaded they start with snd_ |
| 21:41.23 | Blackvel | I have no imap server on the vserver yet |
| 21:41.26 | inc|freaky | where can i find a good apt-tools tutorial? |
| 21:41.26 | sepski | and now it's goodnight |
| 21:41.28 | sepski | goodnight |
| 21:41.42 | gary | nighty night |
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| 21:41.52 | Blackvel | i can not find that ilohamail package anyways, probably that 3.0 version is too old |
| 21:42.03 | Desolator | Hi |
| 21:42.04 | ribnitz | Blackvel: yep. |
| 21:42.19 | ribnitz | Blackvel: upgrade to sarge, uless itas real critical |
| 21:42.23 | Desolator | im a complete ass, I just started learning linux, is Debian a good distro for starters? |
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| 21:42.36 | ribnitz | !good |
| 21:42.36 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:42.39 | gary | Desolator: hmm, it's not the best |
| 21:42.39 | Blackvel | not sure |
| 21:42.45 | Blackvel | well it is for homepage and email |
| 21:42.49 | Desolator | what should I choose then? |
| 21:42.54 | Desolator | maybe fedora, or gentoo? |
| 21:42.54 | Blackvel | but I guess sarge won't crash neither |
| 21:42.57 | gary | probably something like Mandrake or Fedora |
| 21:43.03 | jarmo | so was there help from it? |
| 21:43.06 | Blackvel | Desolator: gentoo is nothing for newbiews :) |
| 21:43.07 | Desolator | im sorry for being such a moron |
| 21:43.13 | ribnitz | Blackvel: no, sarge will be fine. |
| 21:43.30 | gary | Desolator: you're not a moron. There are so many distrubutions out there, it's very hard to know what to pick |
| 21:43.31 | tiredbones | Desolator: try ubuntu, it's built on deb |
| 21:43.31 | ribnitz | Desolator: take a debian-installer and see yourself. |
| 21:43.58 | Desolator | ok, let me try |
| 21:44.20 | PerfDave | Debian's a pretty good distro for beginners, because it's largely consistent and largely works without too much hassle. |
| 21:44.21 | vahid | where is module of sound ? sorry i'm new in linux |
| 21:44.24 | gary | Desolator: You said you just "started learning linux". What did you start learning with? |
| 21:44.36 | gary | vahid: i believe it depends on your sound card |
| 21:44.44 | greycat | vahid: install sarge. it should just work. if it doesn't, you have to give us DETAILS. |
| 21:45.03 | vahid | greycat, i install it, netinstall |
| 21:45.20 | quittt | ./lsdldoom: relocation error: ./lsdldoom: undefined symbol: open_music |
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| 21:45.29 | NaturalRoots | download sarge iso? wherE? |
| 21:45.38 | Blackvel | i really know too less about that server stuff |
| 21:45.52 | Blackvel | but will some IMAP server just connect to postfix pop3 account? |
| 21:46.06 | Blackvel | so the imap server functions as an addon to postfix? |
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| 21:46.26 | ribnitz | Blackvel: that thing also does pop3 it seems |
| 21:46.32 | Blackvel | but MX e-mails to my domains still get sent to postfix? |
| 21:46.49 | Blackvel | what thing? postfix? |
| 21:46.54 | Blackvel | oh you mean the webmail? |
| 21:47.08 | ribnitz | 1) Read |
| 21:47.42 | ribnitz | Blackvel: http://www.ilohamail.org/ |
| 21:48.02 | EfaistOs | do u know how to disable devfs ? |
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| 21:48.16 | directhex | !d-i NaturalRoots |
| 21:48.17 | dpkg | NaturalRoots, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:48.39 | macondo | NaturalRoots, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:49.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:49.42 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:51.03 | Varg_ | How do I configure apt to change the default install directory? |
| 21:51.12 | PerfDave | Varg_: Default install directory of what? |
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| 21:51.28 | zeeman | anyone know of any good websites for linux ebooks ? |
| 21:51.29 | Varg_ | PerfDave: I want binaries and libraries to go to /usr/local instead of .usr |
| 21:51.45 | PerfDave | Varg_: Why do you want to do that? apt leaves /usr/local alone for a reason. |
| 21:52.02 | sorahn | trying to play the UT2004 demo on my computer and i get the following error: Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. Running Sarge and a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:52.05 | Varg_ | PerfDave: I just do; is it possible? |
| 21:52.41 | PerfDave | Varg_: Not as such, no. You can manually unpack a .deb and put it in /usr/local, however. |
| 21:52.49 | PerfDave | Varg_: There are lots of reasons why it's a bad idea. |
| 21:53.04 | Varg_ | PerfDave: Alright; well thanks anyway then |
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| 21:53.28 | stew | Varg_: debian tries hard to adhere to fhs: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 21:53.46 | abrotman | every linux tries |
| 21:54.07 | brendan_ | hi |
| 21:54.19 | abrotman | Varg_: why do you want to do this again? .. and why not link /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib etc ? |
| 21:54.21 | brendan_ | is there any info about debians selinux support |
| 21:54.21 | Blackvel | ribnitz: thanx for your suggestion! |
| 21:54.26 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 21:54.27 | dpkg | methinks selinux is the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
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| 21:54.31 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | any of you know what happens if you use a stranded jack on solid cable ? |
| 21:55.07 | valdyn_ | sorahn: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:55.25 | Blissex | abrotman: #electronics perhaps? |
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| 21:55.53 | stew | abrotman: say what? |
| 21:55.55 | abrotman | Blissex: well .. it was just a question .. if noone here has the answer .. i'll just wait til the parts i want are in stock |
| 21:55.57 | stew | abrotman: wayttd |
| 21:56.08 | abrotman | stew: rj45 straned jack on cat5e solid cable |
| 21:56.13 | abrotman | stranded |
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| 21:56.41 | stew | didn't know there was a stranded variety |
| 21:56.57 | vahid | i have sarge with kernel 2.4 , how can i install kernel 2.6 ? |
| 21:57.00 | abrotman | stew: neither did i .. that's why i'm asking if it's bad :) |
| 21:57.06 | kbh | on the debian sarge net install, how to i select what package group to install? |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | vahid: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. find the one you need .. install it |
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| 21:57.27 | abrotman | kbh: tasksel is one way |
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| 21:57.44 | kbh | right, but the installer comes with package groups |
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| 21:57.55 | valdyn_ | kbh: that is tasksel |
| 21:58.00 | kbh | like webserver dns, etc etc |
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| 21:58.22 | valdyn_ | kbh: d-i runs tasksel - what is the problem? |
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| 21:58.39 | abrotman | comprehension apparently |
| 21:58.46 | vahid | abrotman, yes i find it but how can i install it ( i'm new ) |
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| 21:59.00 | abrotman | vahid: apt-get install <theoneyouwant> |
| 21:59.07 | valdyn_ | kbh: <tab> and <space> get you far |
| 21:59.08 | kbh | what to press when the list of package groups come up |
| 21:59.14 | vahid | abrotman, oh, yes tnx |
| 21:59.23 | mixedup | is vconfig a standard command that should be in my debian release? |
| 21:59.26 | kbh | aah, tab and space, i was just hitting entert, not installing packages at all |
| 21:59.37 | EvanCarroll | khb: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude |
| 21:59.50 | inc|freaky | how can i burn a .iso with k3b? |
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| 21:59.57 | inc|freaky | it keeps burning the .iso file instead of the content :\ |
| 22:00.02 | inc|freaky | i think im doing something wrong |
| 22:00.13 | valdyn_ | !win inc|freaky |
| 22:00.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, inc|freaky! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 22:00.15 | abrotman | inc|freaky: #debian-kde |
| 22:00.21 | jetscreamer | burn cd not datadisk |
| 22:00.22 | inc|freaky | thx |
| 22:00.28 | EvanCarroll | inc|freaky: mount the iso, mount -t iso9660 /location/iso /mnt/mntpoint -o loop0 |
| 22:00.39 | kbh | thanks for the help |
| 22:01.16 | kbh | i'm not really a noob with linux, just it bothered me that i had to use aptitude to install all my packages |
| 22:01.30 | EvanCarroll | !tell kbh about newb |
| 22:01.35 | Flimzy | kbh: I've never used aptitude, and I intall pacakges all the time |
| 22:01.44 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: poor advice .. you don't know what's on the CD |
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| 22:02.04 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: so... why do i need to know whats on the cd |
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| 22:02.14 | valdyn_ | kbh: tasksel works "ok" i guess but its not the preferred method. Since it does the same shit that most distros do - install alot of crap that you dont want or need |
| 22:02.23 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: have you considered it's an installer? .. mounting over loopback does no good |
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| 22:03.03 | dorpel | i'm trying to install debian over NFS / SMB using netinstall on PPC.... has anyone every tried it or something like that on x86? |
| 22:03.03 | mixedup | is there a package that would contain vconfig? |
| 22:03.15 | abrotman | !tell mixedup about search |
| 22:03.30 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: ... feel free to tell him another way thats how i've always done it (that i can remember) |
| 22:03.43 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: i told him to ask #debian-kde how to use k3b |
| 22:04.27 | quittt | how do I show the libs that I dont use? |
| 22:04.35 | EvanCarroll | quittt: deborphan |
| 22:04.40 | abrotman | !tell quittt about deborphan |
| 22:04.43 | valdyn_ | kbh: later on, have a look at synaptic if you want a gui package installer |
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| 22:05.09 | quittt | abrotman, nothing thanks! |
| 22:05.29 | Jacco | Ah well, it's for the best. |
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| 22:05.47 | EvanCarroll | Jacco: having problems are we? |
| 22:05.54 | travisat | Jacco: why did it take you that long, it only takes me at most 1 hour, at that was mostly waiting for stuff to download |
| 22:06.14 | abrotman | quittt: huh? |
| 22:06.18 | EvanCarroll | takes me about 5minutes of my time about 30comp minutes |
| 22:06.33 | Jacco | Actually, no. |
| 22:06.35 | quittt | abrotman, I have that app |
| 22:06.41 | quittt | but I didnt remeber its name |
| 22:06.43 | Jacco | It's just taking hours to install all the packages. |
| 22:06.45 | abrotman | quittt: ah .. gotcha |
| 22:06.56 | quittt | and there is nothing |
| 22:06.57 | quittt | hehe |
| 22:07.02 | quittt | abrotman, I love Debian |
| 22:07.05 | quittt | it is so clean |
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| 22:07.12 | quittt | synaptic under Debian rox |
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| 22:07.26 | abrotman | quittt: you may also want to look at debfoster .. though i personally don't like it |
| 22:07.52 | quittt | abrotman, aptitude does it |
| 22:07.54 | EvanCarroll | debfoster does something different than deborphan |
| 22:07.57 | abrotman | quittt: ok |
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| 22:08.09 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: i realize that .. but it can still help you keep your system clean |
| 22:08.21 | abrotman | i didn't suggest he look at it for no reason |
| 22:08.26 | linux_Tux | i installed Kernel-source i'm using ndiswrapper , where can i find the installed kernel source to point the KSRC to it when using make with ndiswrapper |
| 22:08.38 | abrotman | linux_Tux: /usr/src ? |
| 22:08.43 | PerfDave | linux_Tux: dpkg -L |
| 22:08.52 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: do not use make with ndiswrapper |
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| 22:09.11 | linux_Tux | valdyn: so what to use |
| 22:09.16 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: use module-assistant or make-kpkg ( the first if you don't know either ) |
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| 22:09.24 | PerfDave | linux_Tux: You might want to look at module-assistant, I think that automates building ndiswrapper for you. Though really you should just use hardware which is supported by Linux. |
| 22:09.28 | PerfDave | !ndiswrapper |
| 22:09.28 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 22:09.28 | valdyn_ | !tell linux_Tux about kp |
| 22:09.57 | igraltist | !tape |
| 22:10.07 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a update && m-a build ndiswrapper - thats it i think |
| 22:10.13 | igraltist | !dpkg tape |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | igraltist: tape! |
| 22:10.37 | igraltist | streamer mayby better |
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| 22:10.56 | PerfDave | !wayttd igraltist |
| 22:10.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, igraltist? |
| 22:11.00 | linux_Tux | valdyn: what's m-a ? |
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| 22:11.07 | PerfDave | linux_Tux: module-assistant |
| 22:11.45 | igraltist | i am looking for some infos about an ugly onstream ide streamer |
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| 22:11.57 | Kbyte | hi, k3b reports wrong cdrw capability. How I can look if this is a k3b or kernel problem? |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | #kde might know |
| 22:12.38 | sdogi | abrotman: we meet again :) |
| 22:12.44 | Blissex | igraltist: thanks for letting us know about your enquiries. |
| 22:12.56 | Flimzy | Kbyte: what capability is being misreported? |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | sdogi: stop stalkiung me :) |
| 22:13.05 | sdogi | abrotman: in what timezone do you live ?:) |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | sdogi: EST .. GMT-5 or something like that |
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| 22:13.38 | sdogi | Thu Mar 3 00:12:57 EET 2005 |
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| 22:13.43 | sdogi | hm |
| 22:13.44 | igraltist | Blissex, i never use this feature bevor and mayby sometime i find some usefull informations |
| 22:13.45 | sdogi | it's late |
| 22:14.02 | Kbyte | Flimzy: The drive is a dvd/cd writer. k3b report dvd and cd-rw writing, but not cd writing. |
| 22:14.06 | Blissex | igraltist: just ask a question! |
| 22:14.08 | PerfDave | igraltist: You can talk to dpkg in /msg |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | igraltist: what is your native language ? |
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| 22:14.18 | igraltist | german |
| 22:14.18 | sdogi | abrotman: always thinking why you get here so late and still get to sleep before me, well actually i have been up too much lately too though |
| 22:14.21 | abrotman | !german |
| 22:14.22 | dpkg | somebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 22:14.23 | linux_Tux | valdyn: using m-a build ndiswrapper , got Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel headers to use |
| 22:14.40 | abrotman | sdogi: yes .. perhaps youhave .. |
| 22:14.41 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: so install your kernel headers |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | sdogi: i know .. you told me before |
| 22:14.53 | sdogi | oh |
| 22:14.53 | Blissex | igraltist: BTW, I have a !"£$%^ OnStream, so if you ask a question I may be able to answer. |
| 22:14.56 | sdogi | right |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | sdogi: i only remmeber because my grandmother was from lithuania |
| 22:15.11 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: you're using a debian kernel, I assume |
| 22:15.13 | linux_Tux | valdyn: how :) .. i already installed the source for the kernel |
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| 22:15.19 | sdogi | don't remember, have been on antibiotics about 2-3 days |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:15.38 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:15.41 | sdogi | grandmother? you lived in europe before then? |
| 22:15.42 | linux_Tux | valdyn: i'm using sarge with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 22:15.52 | abrotman | sdogi: no .. she did .. i was born in .us |
| 22:15.57 | sdogi | oh |
| 22:16.06 | sdogi | man i would want to see america |
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| 22:16.15 | abrotman | sdogi: fedex has cheap rates :) |
| 22:16.16 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: you *might* have to install a new kernel too since the rc2 installer comes with a kernel that is now unsupported |
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| 22:16.33 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: but try installing headers first.. |
| 22:16.46 | sdogi | abrotman: yeah well, gotta get nice job before :) |
| 22:16.49 | igraltist | Blissex, is not so easyi have made a kernel vor the tape driver support but now i do not have a /dev/ht0 |
| 22:16.49 | PerfDave | linux_Tux: If you're using the same kernel you installed Sarge with, it and its headers are no longer in Sarge. Upgrade your kernel-image. |
| 22:16.58 | abrotman | sdogi: good plan |
| 22:17.01 | bokeoa | so I upgrade my desktop for the first time in a couple months, and then lvm doesn't work anymore... |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | !german |
| 22:17.03 | dpkg | hmm... german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 22:17.13 | bokeoa | anyone know of changes that happened recently there? |
| 22:17.14 | PerfDave | My friend Tal is half Estonian. |
| 22:17.16 | sdogi | !estonia |
| 22:17.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, estonia is a country between finland and russia |
| 22:17.20 | PerfDave | bokeoa: Did you check the BTS? |
| 22:17.21 | sdogi | no estonia |
| 22:17.34 | sdogi | dpkg: yeah rumour has it :) |
| 22:17.38 | ecivo | hey guy's, I'm switching to debian and wanted to get some personal opinions on the diffrent flavors: Which one are u using, why and what in your opinion are its unique stregths and weaknesses? |
| 22:17.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:17.44 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:17.49 | travisat | elbonia? |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | ecivo: workstation or server? |
| 22:17.54 | bokeoa | PerfDave: There something there? |
| 22:17.56 | sdogi | it sound much worse when you say that estonia is little west from russia :) |
| 22:18.04 | mixedup | I am trying to search the debian packages for vconfig .. can someone give me a quick hand... i am new.. this is what i have typed on the CL apt-get install apt-file vconfig |
| 22:18.09 | PerfDave | bokeoa: No idea. But it's the first place to check when you have a problem after an update. |
| 22:18.16 | PerfDave | bokeoa: Of course, you should really be using apt-listbugs. |
| 22:18.17 | abrotman | !find vconfig sarge |
| 22:18.17 | ecivo | abrotman, workstation... |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | !d-i ecivo |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | ecivo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | sysvconfig: (A text menu based utility for configuring init script links), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 22:18.35 | abrotman | i bet that isn't what he wanted |
| 22:18.45 | sdogi | travisat: thank you :) |
| 22:18.45 | bokeoa | PerfDave: will take a look at apt-listbugs |
| 22:18.58 | abrotman | !find bin/vconfig sarge |
| 22:19.02 | PerfDave | bokeoa: it won't fix your problem, the BTS might. apt-listbugs will just help prevent it in future. |
| 22:19.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/vconfig' (1): (/sbin/vconfig) in misc/vlan. |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | mixedup: is this what you want ? |
| 22:19.07 | abrotman | ^^ |
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| 22:19.30 | travisat | sdogi, i'd like to see your mittens on my bedroom floor, baby |
| 22:19.40 | bokeoa | PerfDave: I usually update more often, so I thought it might be something that happened ~1 month ago or more |
| 22:19.41 | mixedup | that is what i need |
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| 22:19.51 | mixedup | i do not know which package to install that would contain vconfig |
| 22:19.52 | sdogi | travisat: wha? :D |
| 22:19.55 | deadline | hi, whats the best way to setup direct rendering with a nvidia geforce4. kernel is 2.6.8-1 on an i686 machine |
| 22:19.59 | linux_Tux | valdyn: what's after installing kernel-headers , try m-a build ndiswrapper ? |
| 22:19.59 | bokeoa | as in daily, just got busy you know... |
| 22:20.02 | abrotman | mixedup: dpkg just told you .. it's in vlan |
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| 22:20.07 | abrotman | !info vlan |
| 22:20.08 | travisat | hmm, nobody reags dilbert |
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| 22:20.12 | ecivo | hm, well I just wanted to know which flavors u guys use and some general statements on useability, special features you love, things u hate and so on... |
| 22:20.13 | dpkg | vlan: (User mode programs to enable VLANs on your ethernet devices), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 22:20.14 | PerfDave | bokeoa: How the fuck should I know? Check the BTS, it's where the bugs are reported. |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | travisat: i do . bad joke |
| 22:20.33 | sdogi | travisat: don't like mittens |
| 22:20.39 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: im surprised that installing headers worked ( is it the right ones? ). m-a build ndiswrapper, yep |
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| 22:21.01 | Jacco | Pondering............................... done. |
| 22:21.03 | Jacco | o_O |
| 22:21.06 | Jacco | wth? |
| 22:21.09 | abrotman | thinking |
| 22:21.10 | Jacco | what does dat mean? |
| 22:21.11 | abrotman | pondering |
| 22:21.13 | Jacco | ah. |
| 22:21.13 | abrotman | working |
| 22:21.14 | Jacco | lol |
| 22:21.24 | mixedup | ok now what do i do with that info you gave me? search the debian site? |
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| 22:21.32 | abrotman | mixedup: apt-get install vlan |
| 22:21.34 | linux_Tux | valdyn: i'm using kernel-2.6.8-2.686-smp .. why you are surprised |
| 22:21.38 | mixedup | thanks |
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| 22:22.21 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: yea, that you are no longer using the default one - then its alright |
| 22:22.21 | Zitter | do you know in which pkg is msgfmt? TIA |
| 22:23.01 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: now, build worked? install the package w/ dpkg -i |
| 22:23.13 | igraltist | Blissex, de-tape: Use drive hdc with ide-scsi emulation and osst. |
| 22:23.13 | igraltist | ide-tape: OnStream support will be removed soon from ide-tape! |
| 22:23.13 | igraltist | ide-tape: hdc <-> ht0: OnStream DI-30 rev 1.09 |
| 22:23.13 | igraltist | ide-tape: hdc <-> ht0: 990KBps, 64*32kB buffer, 10208kB pipeline, 62ms tDSC |
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| 22:23.27 | linux_Tux | valdyn: got , Build of the package ndiswrapper-source failed! How do you wish to proceed? , must i point the m-a build to the path of ndiswrapper ? |
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| 22:24.27 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: no, nothing you have to do extra, is ndiswrapper installed via apt-get? |
| 22:24.45 | abrotman | !tell igraltist about flood |
| 22:24.58 | PerfDave | linux_Tux: Read further back up the errors. |
| 22:25.02 | godsmoke | what package contains 'dig' -- I can't seem to find it? |
| 22:25.15 | PerfDave | godsmoke: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:25.21 | godsmoke | package searches yielded nothing |
| 22:25.23 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search dig or apt-file |
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| 22:25.27 | Zitter | ok, gettext pkg, thanks |
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| 22:25.44 | igraltist | jes too much pasting sorry |
| 22:25.52 | sorahn | valdyn_ : glxinfo | grep direct / direct rendering: No / OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 22:26.00 | linux_Tux | valdyn: i have the ndiswrapper source .. that's all and tried to use make , got no kernel source in /build |
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| 22:26.21 | igraltist | Blissex, http://www.pastebin.com/248522 this i have , but no /dev/ht0 exist |
| 22:26.31 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: look at the error message you got |
| 22:26.37 | directhex | linux_Tux, update your kernel to one currently in sarge, then use m-a |
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| 22:26.47 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 22:26.52 | jetscreamer | so and? |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:26.58 | Blissex | igraltist: then make it. |
| 22:27.10 | linux_Tux | directhex: i'm using kernel-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:27.21 | Blissex | igraltist: however, follow the advice: use the 'ide-scsi' driver plus the SCSI 'osst' driver. |
| 22:27.25 | PerfDave | godsmoke: That factoid tells you what you need to know. |
| 22:27.27 | abrotman | linux_Tux: uname -r |
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| 22:28.24 | valdyn_ | !b-e linux_Tux |
| 22:28.25 | dpkg | linux_Tux: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 22:29.39 | godsmoke | alright ... so unless I'm going to review 10,000 lines of apt-list response |
| 22:29.52 | godsmoke | considering an apt-cache search doesn't yield anything ... |
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| 22:30.54 | deadline | hi, whats the best way to setup direct rendering with a nvidia geforce4. kernel is 2.6.8-1 on an i686 machine |
| 22:31.02 | PerfDave | godsmoke: FFS, if you can't read the dpkg factoid and take the simple steps required to get very specific information about what you want, then there's no helping you. |
| 22:31.11 | deadline | i mean what packages do i have to apt-get install ? |
| 22:31.25 | valdyn_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:31.25 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick ... |
| 22:31.26 | PerfDave | deadline: Running Sarge? Install a later kernel-image package, /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
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| 22:31.39 | vladster | pardon me, but what is the command to make a boot floppy so when I redo my wifes windows partition I can reinstall grub on the boot sector |
| 22:31.41 | pSycoRe | hello |
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| 22:31.50 | pSycoRe | i need some help... |
| 22:32.17 | pSycoRe | after install is no desktop loaded.. but the faq says there is kde as default ??? |
| 22:32.33 | pSycoRe | i have only conole.after install |
| 22:32.34 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: Did you tell the install to install a desktop environment? |
| 22:32.40 | pSycoRe | jes |
| 22:32.51 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:32.57 | linux_Tux | valdyn: what to do after installing ndiswrapper, i tried ndiswrapper in the terminal i got command not found |
| 22:33.15 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: the build worked now? |
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| 22:33.25 | abrotman | pSycoRe: did you install gdm /kdm /gnome or kde ? |
| 22:33.29 | dbron | Hi all, anyone know of a debian specific nfs howto, I am not doing too well on my own and the tldp docs are pretty generic. |
| 22:33.36 | linux_Tux | valdyn: no i used make |
| 22:34.06 | pSycoRe | in the instal routine it only give me x and destop, and i checked both |
| 22:34.15 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:34.25 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: You have probably got X installed, but for some reason it's not working. |
| 22:35.03 | igraltist | Blissex, to make this /dev/ht0 makes me trouble because i do: mknod /dev/ht0 c 22 0, because i think the streamer is on /dev/hdc but aufter chown to tape i get no such device |
| 22:35.03 | pSycoRe | im new to linux and i dont know to open :P ... |
| 22:35.10 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: How to open what? |
| 22:35.20 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: its a kernel module, so you want to modprobe it , but i dont know anything about ndiswrapper specifically |
| 22:35.20 | pSycoRe | the file it says in the query |
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| 22:35.41 | PerfDave | !faq pSycoRe |
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| 22:35.42 | dpkg | pSycoRe: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:35.46 | Blissex | igraltist: 'man MAKEDEV;' |
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| 22:35.48 | Blissex | igraltist: 'man MAKEDEV' |
| 22:35.55 | valdyn_ | linux_Tux: using make wasnt a good idea anyway. if m-a cannot build it then your kernel-headers are likely wrong |
| 22:36.07 | igraltist | ok i will take a look |
| 22:36.08 | Blissex | igraltist: and delete the current 'ht0' |
| 22:36.08 | deadline | valdyn_: thanks |
| 22:36.10 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: Use "less" to scroll through files. "apt-get install less" if you don't have it, "man less" for instructions once you have. |
| 22:36.12 | pSycoRe | sry dudes .. ill read it |
| 22:36.13 | linux_Tux | valdyn: i didn't use it |
| 22:36.22 | tull | hello |
| 22:36.31 | doneill | what's this about ndiswrapper? |
| 22:36.32 | tull | i need some help gettting ati radeon 9000 to work |
| 22:36.38 | doneill | ndiswrapper = the poo :< |
| 22:36.45 | doneill | it locks my system like, every hour. |
| 22:36.45 | gen | negatory |
| 22:36.47 | valdyn_ | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:36.48 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper one-liner] apt-get install build-essential ndiwrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 22:36.54 | tull | i installed apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 22:37.13 | tull | then the fglrx source code, then binaries and still nothing |
| 22:37.14 | wolvie_ | Howto list all users belonging to group foo? |
| 22:37.18 | MobyTurbo | valdyn_: isn't there a typo in that? |
| 22:37.22 | PerfDave | pSycoRe: Best of luck. This stuff isn't hard, hopefully the FAQ will give you some basic pointers. |
| 22:37.50 | deadline | i need to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386, but apt-cache shows me that only kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 is available. how can i get the right headers? |
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| 22:38.00 | resiak | deadline: You upgrade to -2 |
| 22:38.05 | linux_Tux | valdyn: i'm trying to access the /mnt , got this error access denied to /mnt , what to do from terminal after su root ? |
| 22:38.12 | sebux3 | root? |
| 22:38.15 | sebux3 | really? |
| 22:38.44 | valdyn_ | MobyTurbo: thanks. |
| 22:38.50 | valdyn_ | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:38.50 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper one-liner] apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 22:39.03 | MobyTurbo | valdyn_: np |
| 22:39.15 | deadline | how can i apt-get kernel headers which dont show up in apt-cache? |
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| 22:40.13 | valdyn_ | deadline: dont even try that, install a kernel that is supported by debian, like kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2.386 |
| 22:40.15 | resiak | deadline: You don't. |
| 22:40.17 | valdyn_ | deadline: dont even try that, install a kernel that is supported by debian, like kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:40.24 | resiak | deadline: You do what I just told you to do. |
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| 22:40.53 | deadline | resiak: what should i do? |
| 22:41.07 | resiak | deadline: Install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 and its headers, and reboot with it |
| 22:41.11 | fred87 | apologies, i know this is off-topic - is there any official kde packager here? i'm the maintainer of slamd64, a slackware port to x86_64, and no-one seems to have any idea how to get on kde-packagers mailing list? |
| 22:41.17 | MobyTurbo | deadline: it's time for a kernel upgrade |
| 22:41.20 | deadline | valdyn_: then i would have to recompile, right? |
| 22:41.29 | valdyn_ | deadline: no |
| 22:41.35 | resiak | deadline: Did you roll your own kernel? |
| 22:41.41 | Jacco | hi. |
| 22:41.44 | Jacco | I'm sad. |
| 22:41.48 | Jacco | I finished installing. |
| 22:41.48 | doneill | :( |
| 22:41.49 | cafuego | fred87: Give #debian-kde a go, they're more likely to know. |
| 22:41.50 | MobyTurbo | fred87: #kde |
| 22:41.53 | Jacco | and now X is broken |
| 22:41.54 | foob4rt | !+console Jacco |
| 22:41.58 | deadline | valdyn_: so installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2 would do everything for me? even setup the bootloader (grub) ? |
| 22:41.59 | resiak | !faq Jacco |
| 22:42.00 | dpkg | Jacco: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:42.02 | resiak | deadline: Yes |
| 22:42.06 | resiak | deadline: Did you roll your own kernel? |
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| 22:42.37 | deadline | resiak: im usually a gentoo user, trying debian atm, the kernel is installed by the installation proces. its a fresh sarge install |
| 22:42.37 | doneill | hehe, gabor... |
| 22:42.46 | fred87 | mobytubro, already tried and #kde-devel, it's a "secret" list no-one seems to know |
| 22:42.53 | fred87 | cafuego, mobyturbo, thanks for your help |
| 22:42.57 | resiak | deadline: You don't compile anything from source on Debian by default. |
| 22:43.05 | deadline | resiak: ok |
| 22:43.08 | resiak | szgabor99: Don't IRC as root. |
| 22:43.12 | igraltist | Blissex, thats was thanks now i think it will work :) |
| 22:43.15 | deadline | resiak: will apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 install the headers also? |
| 22:43.20 | MobyTurbo | fred87: well, you could switch to developing fvwm ;-) |
| 22:43.31 | resiak | deadline: No. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 22:43.33 | valdyn_ | deadline: as was already said you need to replace that kernel, compiling a kernel is not required unless you explicitely chose to, just apt-get install <kernel> <headers> and evertying ( including grub ) will be setup automatically |
| 22:43.41 | tull | please some help with ati! |
| 22:43.41 | Blissex | igraltist: ideally, however, use 'ide-scsi' and 'osst', not the IDE tape driver. |
| 22:43.44 | doneill | mmm, fvwm... |
| 22:43.45 | resiak | !tell tull about ati |
| 22:43.51 | fred87 | mobyturbo: don't need it for my kde development, need it for my distro :) |
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| 22:44.16 | tull | resiak ive done most of the stuff, still can get the fglrx module to load |
| 22:44.19 | valdyn_ | deadline: apt-get will be pretty verbose too about what its doing so uh, you will see yourself |
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| 22:44.30 | MobyTurbo | fred87: sounds like a cool distro, but we probably can't help in spite of #debian being the smartest IRC channel on freenode. ;-) |
| 22:44.34 | igraltist | Blissex, yes i will do, but first was for me interesting how its work |
| 22:44.34 | resiak | tull: To be honest, I haven't a clue. That was a reflex. |
| 22:44.41 | resiak | szgabor: That's better, eh/ |
| 22:44.47 | tull | resiak fair enough :) thanks |
| 22:44.56 | szgabor | ok i an lamer... |
| 22:45.08 | fred87 | mobyturbo, thanks |
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| 22:45.27 | deadline | resiak: valdyn_ thanks a lot. what about security bugs in 2.6.8 . are they fixed by installing the kernel image or do i have to patch manually? |
| 22:45.53 | resiak | deadline: -2 is a security update. Any bugfixes that were available when it was made will be in it. |
| 22:46.05 | quittt | if I install NVIDIA driver using NIVIDA INSTALLER |
| 22:46.12 | resiak | quittt: DONT |
| 22:46.20 | resiak | quittt: USE THE PACKAGES |
| 22:46.21 | quittt | resiak, I already did |
| 22:46.42 | resiak | quittt: Uninstall it and use the packages. |
| 22:46.47 | resiak | !tell quittt about nvidia howto |
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| 22:46.50 | MobyTurbo | resiak: there are no nvidia driver packages in sarge, they were removed due to bugginess in the latest. |
| 22:46.57 | resiak | MobyTurbo: But they're in Sid |
| 22:47.04 | quittt | resiak, I didnt find THOSE package anywhere |
| 22:47.04 | resiak | !tell quittt -about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:47.22 | Steven_ | if I build a package from source with a special option enabled, how can I make sure it nevers gets updated with the "standard" package when I upgrade ? |
| 22:47.26 | deadcat | anyone know the syntax for an if statement in .Xdefaults? |
| 22:47.34 | Steven_ | I was thinking of putting a suffix in front of the package name |
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| 22:47.44 | valdyn_ | !pinning |
| 22:47.44 | dpkg | it has been said that pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read ... |
| 22:47.45 | Steven_ | and having a Provides: entry in the control file |
| 22:47.56 | valdyn_ | Steven_: ^^^^ what dpkg said |
| 22:47.58 | quittt | resiak, lastest NVIDIA driver doesnt work here too |
| 22:48.01 | Steven_ | hm |
| 22:48.06 | quittt | resiak, what is the problem use NVIDIA setup?: |
| 22:48.09 | deadline | resiak: thanks |
| 22:48.25 | valdyn_ | Steven_: uyh, thats referring to distros, but you can pin packages too |
| 22:48.26 | resiak | quittt: It FUCKS your COMPUTER. WHY are you CAPITALISING random words? |
| 22:48.48 | Steven_ | valdyn_ : I'll look into it, thx |
| 22:48.50 | quittt | resiak, for nothing |
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| 22:49.17 | deadline | i want to unpack about 200 tarballs at once. they are the gkrellm-skins packed in about 200 tarballs. any idea how to solve that. i remember something with 'for...' |
| 22:49.20 | resiak | quittt: Specifically, it puts things outside of /usr/local that apt/dpkg don't know about, and has to be manually re-run whenever you upgrade X or your kernel. |
| 22:49.20 | quittt | resiak, I didnt find the package to install NVIDIA driver! |
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| 22:49.36 | resiak | quittt: Read the stuff at the end of nvidia one-liner that dpkg just told you. |
| 22:49.46 | resiak | !tell quittt -about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:49.57 | quittt | mix Sid and Sarge? |
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| 22:50.05 | quittt | are you kidding? |
| 22:50.39 | resiak | quittt: You need only two packages. |
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| 22:50.58 | resiak | quittt: Read the simple sid/sarge mix stuff |
| 22:51.09 | quittt | resiak, I cant understand |
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| 22:51.13 | PerfDave | deadline: #bash, or "for file in *.tar; do tar xf $file; done" |
| 22:51.24 | resiak | !tell quittt -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 22:51.30 | deadline | PerfDave: thanks |
| 22:51.59 | WiFiTux | I need to replace <body lang=EN-US style='tab-interval:.5in'> for <body style="margin: 7px;">, this the right command? sed index.html s/<body lang=EN-US style='tab-interval:.5in'>/<body style="margin: 7px;">/ |
| 22:52.17 | resiak | WiFiTux: Does this look like #sed? :) |
| 22:52.32 | WiFiTux | resiak, yes |
| 22:52.34 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Try it and see? :) You probably want single quotes around the regexp and to escape the single quotes inside it. |
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| 22:52.58 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, :| |
| 22:53.14 | quittt | resiak, and if I do aptitude update and aptitude upgrade will fuck my system with Sid |
| 22:53.28 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, is there an easier way? or so that I can look for that line in a document? |
| 22:53.31 | Jacco | hi. |
| 22:53.33 | PerfDave | quittt: Not if you set the default release. |
| 22:53.36 | Jacco | I'm getting this error. |
| 22:53.37 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Easier than hat? |
| 22:53.39 | Jacco | for the X server. |
| 22:53.46 | PerfDave | !tell Jacco -about enter |
| 22:53.47 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: well, obviously you need to escape the greater-than lesser-than signs from being interpreted by the shell |
| 22:53.51 | resiak | quittt: But if you do what that factoid I just !told you says, aptitude will only use Sid for packages that aren't in Testing, or that you explicitly install from unstable. |
| 22:53.52 | Jacco | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 22:53.58 | resiak | !drxx Jacco |
| 22:53.59 | dpkg | Jacco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:54.00 | Jacco | Fatal serve error: |
| 22:54.01 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
| 22:54.01 | dpkg | somebody said noscreensfound was probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 22:54.02 | cat | !hurt |
| 22:54.03 | Jacco | no screens found |
| 22:54.03 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo, :| |
| 22:54.04 | Jacco | okay. |
| 22:54.05 | cat | !hurd |
| 22:54.05 | Jacco | thankz. |
| 22:54.05 | dpkg | hurd is, like, a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
| 22:54.11 | PerfDave | (assuming aptitude honours default release, I ahve no idea) |
| 22:54.21 | resiak | PerfDave: It does,. |
| 22:54.35 | Jacco | -i |
| 22:54.39 | PerfDave | resiak: Fair enough, I don't use it. |
| 22:54.42 | Jacco | wth? I'm using perfect punctuation. |
| 22:54.44 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: escape with backslashes |
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| 22:55.01 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo, yeah. |
| 22:55.09 | deadline | PerfDave: that doesnt work, says no such file or directory |
| 22:55.50 | PerfDave | deadline: *shrug* Then ask #bash or read "man bash" or a bash howto. |
| 22:56.19 | Jacco | how do I leave su? |
| 22:56.21 | Jacco | kill su? |
| 22:56.27 | cat | Jacco: exit |
| 22:56.32 | deadline | PerfDave: heh ok |
| 22:56.43 | Jacco | Yay it broke! |
| 22:56.44 | Jacco | :( |
| 22:56.51 | cat | huh |
| 22:57.05 | cat | what did ya brake? |
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| 22:57.18 | szgabor | Jacco: Ctrl-D |
| 22:57.28 | Jacco | szgabor: It's not that. |
| 22:57.28 | cat | exit works fine, two |
| 22:57.32 | Jacco | stil lthe same screen problem. |
| 22:57.39 | cat | are u getting any errors? |
| 22:57.41 | cat | or something? |
| 22:57.44 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 22:57.44 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:57.52 | cat | Jacco: type whoami |
| 22:57.54 | sussudio | !brake |
| 22:57.55 | szgabor | Tacco:my computer :) |
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| 22:58.05 | Jacco | whoami |
| 22:58.09 | Jacco | oh. ;x |
| 22:58.10 | Jacco | lol |
| 22:58.11 | cat | Jacco: terminal |
| 22:58.17 | Jacco | k. |
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| 22:58.18 | MobyTurbo | Jacco: passwd |
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| 22:58.33 | jack__ | hi |
| 22:58.35 | cureless | Jacco: what's wrong with your screen? |
| 22:58.39 | cat | jack__: hello |
| 22:58.44 | jack__ | i'm looking for some printable linux posters |
| 22:58.44 | szgabor | hi |
| 22:58.49 | jack__ | do u know where I can find them? |
| 22:58.50 | Jacco | cureless: I appear not to have one according to XF86cfg. |
| 22:59.02 | cat | jack__: google.com |
| 22:59.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 802] by debhelper |
| 22:59.07 | cat | click on images and you'r set |
| 22:59.09 | jack__ | i searched, but couldn't find any |
| 22:59.16 | Jacco | :() |
| 22:59.18 | Jacco | :( |
| 22:59.26 | Jacco | Well, can anyone help meh? |
| 22:59.26 | jack__ | i want to promote linux to my computer science class |
| 22:59.34 | cureless | Jacco: oh, I thougt you were getting other errors. What kind of screen do you have? How did you configure XFree? |
| 22:59.43 | jack__ | 8' by 11 1/2 preferred |
| 22:59.44 | Jacco | I have a virtual pc screen. :p |
| 22:59.47 | cat | jack__: i'm sure you will find lots of stuff there on google |
| 22:59.48 | foob4rt | jack__: perhaps Linux International has some. |
| 22:59.57 | dondelelcaro | damnit, fucking adjtimex is fucked again |
| 23:00.00 | WiFiTux | jack__, Linux is pretty promoteed already |
| 23:00.20 | cat | lol |
| 23:00.24 | cureless | Jacco: what's a virtual PC screen, vmware? vnc? |
| 23:00.25 | cat | !hurt adjtimex |
| 23:00.44 | jack__ | ok |
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| 23:00.49 | jack__ | thx |
| 23:00.58 | cafuego | virtual pc is virtual pc |
| 23:01.05 | szgabor | Jacco: Find first line in the /var/log/XFree86.0.log with (EE) |
| 23:01.07 | dondelelcaro | tick: 9945 <-- This is not sane |
| 23:01.28 | foob4rt | jack__: not sure. I got a real-life poster from them once. |
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| 23:01.33 | dondelelcaro | it's always good when your clock looses 2 minutes in less than 3 hours |
| 23:01.36 | jack__ | ok |
| 23:01.50 | jack__ | is it free though? |
| 23:02.06 | Jacco | ;x |
| 23:02.11 | WiFiTux | jack__, tell College to pay for it |
| 23:02.12 | Jacco | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 23:02.16 | Jacco | Fatal server error: |
| 23:02.19 | Jacco | no screens found |
| 23:02.27 | jack__ | i'm in highschool, actually |
| 23:02.30 | dondelelcaro | !no screens found |
| 23:02.30 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 23:02.31 | cureless | oh, that virtual pc. |
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| 23:02.51 | WiFiTux | jack__, tell your mom to give you money, or go clean windshields in the street |
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| 23:03.10 | Jacco | Okay.. |
| 23:03.16 | Jacco | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 23:03.18 | szgabor | Jacco: this error message to mouse, keyboard or VGA card? |
| 23:03.26 | Jacco | vga |
| 23:03.30 | Jacco | *card |
| 23:03.30 | cureless | jack__: why don't you create one? |
| 23:03.46 | RedPenguin | Just out of curiousity, did anyone make a download manager or something that can download some from say eth0, some from eth1, etc |
| 23:03.50 | RedPenguin | ? |
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| 23:03.56 | jack__ | I want to print them |
| 23:04.03 | WiFiTux | jack__, come on, don't be a jack |
| 23:04.09 | jack__ | i'm not that good at graphics... |
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| 23:04.17 | jack__ | I didn't learn graphics before |
| 23:04.29 | jack__ | is there any debian posters out there? |
| 23:04.35 | cureless | jack__: download a copy of Tux, put in some text. |
| 23:04.41 | Jacco | :( |
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| 23:04.50 | Jacco | Well, anyone got an idea? |
| 23:04.56 | jack__ | ermm... |
| 23:04.57 | szgabor | Jacco: just write to Driver line "vesa" and restart X server. |
| 23:04.57 | WiFiTux | jack__, google.com type debian then hit enter then click images |
| 23:05.01 | jack__ | iok |
| 23:05.01 | jack__ | ok |
| 23:05.10 | Jacco | szgabor: did that before. |
| 23:05.12 | bai | does anyone know if there are debian-installer cds available without the horribly crippled set of tools that comes with the normal install cd? |
| 23:05.15 | Jacco | it gave me a different error. |
| 23:05.28 | stew | bai: what does that mean? |
| 23:05.47 | bai | stew, it means if you drop to shell in the installer it's practically worthless |
| 23:05.50 | Blissex | bai: Kanotix? Knoppix? :-) |
| 23:05.57 | bai | if you want to do anything other than the extreme basics |
| 23:06.00 | bai | no, debian |
| 23:06.04 | stew | bai: no |
| 23:06.10 | bai | oh, you mean try them, heh |
| 23:06.19 | bai | I tried ubuntu and it uses the same set of busybox tools |
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| 23:06.32 | Blissex | bai: well, they can be used as Debian installers, with some care. |
| 23:06.36 | bai | the biggest problem is I need an installer which understands nfs |
| 23:06.50 | Jacco | :( *cries* |
| 23:06.53 | x-256 | anyone know which kernel module I need to load for Realtek 8180L |
| 23:06.58 | Blissex | bai: the issue here is that the installer is not a recovery CD, it is just meant to install and have some little extra on the side. |
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| 23:07.24 | Blissex | bai: the more stuff is on CD1 that is not installable packages, the less installable package are on CD1. |
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| 23:07.40 | bai | Blissex: yeah I understand....I think with the new modular installer it would be nice to include a module with a decent working environment that could be used for recovery though |
| 23:07.40 | szgabor | x-256: ndiswrapper? |
| 23:07.50 | dezuria_ | how to know wich kernel i should install ? |
| 23:07.54 | lauragpl | Im'trying to compile 2.6 with error unable to open console when booting |
| 23:08.07 | stew | bai: #debian-boot is the channel for d-i, talk to them |
| 23:08.10 | lauragpl | I saw it could be cos i dont have unix 98 support |
| 23:08.11 | deadcat | i just patched the 2.6.11 source with bootsplash, everything is fine but when i make menuconfig and try to select bootsplash. it wont let me go into the submenu. any one having this problem? |
| 23:08.16 | x-256 | szgabor, ugh, is that the only way you think ? |
| 23:08.23 | lauragpl | but i do not find it in char.devices, where is it plz? |
| 23:08.27 | jack__ | what's the size of 1204x768, converted into inches? |
| 23:08.28 | PerfDave | lauragpl: Why are you compiling and not just using a kernel-image? |
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| 23:08.37 | bai | I mean technically right now I'm just talking about using it as what it's meant to be, an installer....with the crippling added in, it makes the install cd all but useless if you're doing anything other than a standard installation |
| 23:08.42 | bai | stew ok, thanks |
| 23:08.42 | PerfDave | x-256: Google? |
| 23:08.45 | Sjimmie | deadcat: i can try, also gonna config 2.6.11 now |
| 23:08.54 | Sjimmie | where do i get the bootsplash patch deadcat ? |
| 23:09.03 | x-256 | PerfDave, i found what szgaabor said... but i'm trying to remain hopeful :) |
| 23:09.06 | deadcat | Sjimmie: cool. bootsplash.de, i am on a ppc though. |
| 23:09.17 | deadcat | Sjimmie: but let me know (= |
| 23:09.21 | Sjimmie | ok, im on amd k6 |
| 23:09.21 | Blissex | bai: remember, the goal is to fit as much as possible on CD1 to make a single-CD install as useful as possible. |
| 23:09.21 | Sjimmie | :) |
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| 23:09.24 | lauragpl | anyone had similiar problem?? |
| 23:09.36 | PerfDave | x-256: It's always worth checking that hardware is Linux compatiable before you buy it ;) |
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| 23:09.46 | Blissex | bai: if you want a complete Live CD, use Knoppix or Kanotix. |
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| 23:10.05 | directhex | no, not kanotix |
| 23:10.05 | deadcat | lauragpl: i think i have that problem on my x86 machine using 2.6.10 as well. but i stop messing with it . still on 2.6.7 for the x86 |
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| 23:10.15 | travisat | it would be cool to have a completely compatible debian live cd |
| 23:10.15 | bai | Blissex: but I don't want a livecd, I want an install cd :P |
| 23:10.18 | szgabor | x-256: it is a workaround and not an solution.. |
| 23:10.24 | lauragpl | it happens to me as w in 2.6.10 |
| 23:10.29 | travisat | !d-i |
| 23:10.29 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 23:10.31 | bai | I just want one that will let me do some of the more tricky install tricks that most people never need to do |
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| 23:10.36 | lauragpl | It could be a problem with that specific kernel then? |
| 23:10.37 | bai | like installing directly to an nfs root |
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| 23:10.41 | Blissex | bai: an *install CD* with an *NFS server*? |
| 23:10.42 | x-256 | szgabor, yeah :( btw I just found something: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:10.48 | bai | not, *SERVER* |
| 23:10.49 | PerfDave | lauragpl: Why are you compiling and not just using a kernel-image? |
| 23:11.04 | bai | it just needs an nfs CLIENT |
| 23:11.05 | cureless | bai: if you want an install CD just use the install CD. If you want to recover a "working" system use the livecd and mount the system. if you want a full recovery CD use a recovery CD (plenty around) and if you want a livecd, well :-) |
| 23:11.10 | bai | just to be able to mount nfs drives |
| 23:11.19 | cureless | that first livecd was meant to be the install cd. |
| 23:11.23 | stew | cureless: you aren't following this conversation very well |
| 23:11.29 | lauragpl | I do not have hostap supported,neither apm, or fat support |
| 23:11.29 | bai | I'm not recovering a system and I don't want a livecd |
| 23:11.36 | linux_Tux | i'm trying to log into the system i got this error, Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. if you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. |
| 23:11.38 | ajjl | linux kernel 2.6.11 was released today. :-) |
| 23:11.48 | bai | I want an install cd that understands some of the more advanced installations linux supports |
| 23:11.55 | Sjimmie | its wednseday here ajjl :) |
| 23:12.02 | szgabor | i read this chipset and amd(SMC), ralink(ASUS) developing to freebsd... |
| 23:12.05 | Sjimmie | i think it is release tomorrow for you :"D |
| 23:12.07 | directhex | bai, such as? |
| 23:12.07 | szgabor | x-256 |
| 23:12.09 | deadcat | am i the only ppc using who is trying to get bootsplash to work? |
| 23:12.11 | Blissex | bai: what's wrong with FTP install? Why NFS? |
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| 23:12.14 | bai | directhex: such as installing onto nfs-roots |
| 23:12.15 | linux_Tux | what is this error... i tried to log in failsafe terminal i got no xterm ..? what to do ? |
| 23:12.30 | bai | Blissex: you can't use an ftp server as the root filesystem for your box :P |
| 23:12.41 | bai | I'm talking about a diskless box |
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| 23:12.52 | bai | the entire system runs off a network drive |
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| 23:12.56 | Blissex | bai: then you are trying to do something very wrong. |
| 23:12.57 | cureless | now I see, installing into nfs-roots... |
| 23:13.06 | lauragpl | ajjl, i know but i have enough with this i look for something very stable |
| 23:13.11 | linux_Tux | hello anybody there |
| 23:13.13 | bai | Blissex: no, it's very right |
| 23:13.14 | cureless | bai: so you want to install the diskless client? |
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| 23:13.25 | Blissex | bai: you seem to be trying to install Debian onto a diskless client... |
| 23:13.26 | lauragpl | anyway is the second time i compile in my life and i am getting crazy |
| 23:13.29 | bai | Blissex: yes |
| 23:13.37 | cureless | bai: or you want to run the diskless client from the CD? (makes more sense) |
| 23:13.37 | bai | which I've done before |
| 23:13.39 | bai | and it works perfectly |
| 23:13.42 | szgabor | Hi all, i go to sleep.. |
| 23:13.44 | ajjl | lauragpl: I wasn't recommending 2.6.11, just sharing the good news |
| 23:13.45 | deadcat | linux_Tux: try console |
| 23:13.51 | Blissex | bai: that's not the way to do it. |
| 23:13.55 | lauragpl | ok then ; ) |
| 23:13.56 | bai | cureless: so there's a diskless client already |
| 23:14.05 | Blissex | bai: you don't do it _on the client_. |
| 23:14.09 | bai | Blissex: heh, worked before, never saw any official diskless client before |
| 23:14.10 | linux_Tux | deadcat: what to in the console ? |
| 23:14.26 | bai | Blissex: yeah before I just extracted base_2.2.tar.gz onto the server and went from there |
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| 23:14.27 | XeLoN | Hi guys, I installed kernel-image-2.4.27 by apt-get install, and I tested lilo. But when I reboot the system, Kernel panic. I cant open the system. And I cant select the old kernel, because the menu didn't come. What can I do??? |
| 23:14.28 | deadcat | linux_Tux: i dont know. install xterm? |
| 23:14.30 | linux_Tux | deadcat: what to do in the console ? |
| 23:14.32 | Blissex | bai: you do the install _on the server_ and then you mount that tree on the client. |
| 23:14.33 | cureless | bai: the diskless client ... does it have a disk? Where is it that you want to put debian? |
| 23:14.36 | bai | but that option is no longer available, since woody |
| 23:14.53 | linux_Tux | deadcat: what to do with error ? |
| 23:14.57 | Blissex | bai: but you can do installs to any arbitrary subtree. |
| 23:15.15 | bai | Blissex: using the normal installer, or using some special tools? |
| 23:15.21 | Blissex | bai: either. |
| 23:15.32 | XeLoN | Blissex : can you recognize me? |
| 23:15.35 | MobyTurbo | XeLoN: the default is not to show the menu unless you press "shift" while it boots |
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| 23:15.43 | Blissex | XeLoN: I'd rather not, but I do :-) |
| 23:15.43 | bai | heh, well I'm kind of wary about executing the installer directly on my server |
| 23:15.58 | bai | since the installer tends to do some hardware stuff as well |
| 23:16.00 | deadcat | linux_Tux: dont know. |
| 23:16.28 | cafuego | bai: Use debootstrap to set up a chroot install, it's easy. |
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| 23:16.38 | bai | hrm, ok I'll check that out then |
| 23:16.39 | Blissex | bai: then use the appropriate tool. I can't remember exactly how to do it, but this is used for example for installs for things like UML clients etc. |
| 23:16.58 | cafuego | bai: Like, REALLY easy - it's a single command to set up a woody or sarge chroot. |
| 23:16.59 | Blissex | bai: yes, as <cafuego> says, it is 'deboostrap'. |
| 23:17.08 | bai | cool, thanks |
| 23:17.25 | alus | how is it that I can add a user to the group with permission to write to the audio device? |
| 23:17.29 | XeLoN | Blissex : I solved my problem by installing fileutils :) . now I can see my harddrive as normal . I said it's a program problem :) |
| 23:17.40 | linux_Tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.51 | Blissex | XeLoN: thats very unlikely, because you had 'df' already installed... |
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| 23:18.12 | XeLoN | Blissex : i think it's a bug or sth. |
| 23:18.15 | Blissex | XeLoN: also note that the 'MySQL' installer had trouble. |
| 23:18.35 | Blissex | XeLoN: as to the new kernel, you can use a live CD, mount the hard disk and run LILO again. |
| 23:18.37 | XeLoN | Blissex : it's solved also by fileutils |
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| 23:18.55 | bai | now, what about using debootstrap with debian-amd64, from a 32-bit system? :P |
| 23:18.58 | bai | will that just work? |
| 23:19.08 | XeLoN | Blissex : i pressed shift key, and load with linuxold |
| 23:19.14 | XeLoN | Blissex : thanks again |
| 23:19.17 | linux_Tux | valdyn_: i'm trying to log into the system i got this error, Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. if you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem (-/.xsession-errors file) , what is this error and how to correct it i tried to log into gnome failsafe and terminal failsafe said .. |
| 23:19.29 | Blissex | bai: probably -- installation after all is just roughly unpacking stuff. |
| 23:19.30 | cafuego | bai: It will install, but I doubt it will run on the 32bit box. The other waya round works fine. |
| 23:19.33 | XeLoN | MobyTurbo : thanks a lot |
| 23:19.38 | MobyTurbo | XeLoN: np |
| 23:19.52 | bai | cafuego: well the server is 32 bit, the client is 64 bit |
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| 23:20.03 | Blissex | bai: fine, fine... |
| 23:20.03 | XeLoN | MobyTurbo : what can i do? Do i have to install another kernel? |
| 23:20.14 | cafuego | bai: *nod* Just serve it a32bit system to get things going. |
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| 23:20.31 | MobyTurbo | XeLoN: make sure everything is OK in your boot loader configuration file would be the first step. |
| 23:20.36 | cafuego | bai: You can always install a second, 64bit chroot (and have the client pick one at bootup!) |
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| 23:20.47 | XeLoN | MobyTurbo : lilo is ok |
| 23:20.54 | XeLoN | MobyTurbo : but kernel panics |
| 23:20.56 | linux_Tux | anyone may help ????? |
| 23:20.59 | cafuego | bai: |
| 23:21.03 | cafuego | bai: http://www.freeos.com/articles/2444/2/1-3/ |
| 23:21.05 | MobyTurbo | XeLoN: if needed, does it have the initrd stanza? |
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| 23:21.14 | cafuego | bai: I used that when setting stuff up here |
| 23:21.18 | MobyTurbo | initrd command in the stanza |
| 23:21.20 | MobyTurbo | rather |
| 23:21.20 | bai | hrm, according to the alioth debian-amd64-howto you have to be running a 64bit kernel before you even start the bootstrap process |
| 23:21.25 | Sjimmie | deadcat: how do i apply the .diff file? |
| 23:21.26 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 23:21.28 | XeLoN | MobyTurbo : I don't think so! |
| 23:21.34 | bai | I'm looking at http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274035 |
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| 23:21.52 | Sjimmie | i have it in the kernel source path now, so patch < bootsplash.blabla.diff |
| 23:21.53 | Sjimmie | ? |
| 23:21.56 | MobyTurbo | XeLoN: well, as the instructions that should have appeared on the screen when you installed the kernel, you need to do that. |
| 23:21.59 | cafuego | bai: Only if you intend to run thise binaries on the host system. |
| 23:22.19 | Sjimmie | deadcat: |
| 23:22.20 | bai | oh ok |
| 23:22.24 | Sjimmie | patch -p0 < bootsplash-3.1.4-2.6.11.diff |
| 23:22.24 | Sjimmie | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
| 23:22.47 | linux_Tux | may anyone answer |
| 23:22.48 | cafuego | bai: Besides, an amd64 runs 32bit stuff happily (and a lot faster then a same speed 32bit cpu) |
| 23:22.53 | drac | Sjimmie: -p1 ? |
| 23:23.31 | Sjimmie | that works drac ! |
| 23:23.32 | Sjimmie | thanks :) |
| 23:23.54 | bai | cafuego: yeah but from what I hear 64bit really helps with things like movie encoding |
| 23:23.54 | deadline | hi, i just updated my kernel from 2.6.8-1 to 2.6.8-2 and xmms results in this error messages: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.and so on. how can i fix that? |
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| 23:24.24 | bai | I'm migrating this diskless box to boot off a different server anyway, I figured now would be a good time to redo the OS and try 64bit anyway |
| 23:24.28 | cafuego | bai: Haha, yes, as soon as the apps get ported to 64bit. For the moment they need to run in a 32bit chroot. |
| 23:24.30 | jim | deadline: go back to -1? |
| 23:24.43 | cafuego | bai: It's bloody annoying. |
| 23:24.45 | Sjimmie | deadcat: where is the bootsplash option? |
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| 23:25.15 | linux_Tux | helloooooooooooooo any one answer my error |
| 23:25.16 | deadline | jim: cannot, this update was required by direct rendering. nvidia... |
| 23:25.36 | bai | cafuego: yeah I know...but really that's not an issue for my application, the only program it'll have a problem with is mozilla |
| 23:25.42 | bai | specifically the flash plugin |
| 23:25.54 | jim | deadline: ok well I guess you'll have to determine the problem |
| 23:26.01 | meff | is there a way to 'dpkg -i name.deb' but, install name.deb and the dependencies that it has? dpkg -i won't autofetch deps.. |
| 23:26.23 | dondelelcaro | meff: dpkg -i it, then apt-get -f install; |
| 23:26.23 | arkaoss | i've installed a deb which for some reason seems to need php4 but in dpkg or by dpkg gets uninstalled when i install php4.... |
| 23:26.33 | linux_Tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.33 | deadline | if i want to upgrade glibc to the latest version, which packages should i get via apt? |
| 23:26.47 | dondelelcaro | meff: or, install it, then use aptitude to resove the dependencies |
| 23:26.52 | dondelelcaro | deadline: just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 23:27.05 | meff | dondelelcaro: you mean dpkg -i --force-deps ? |
| 23:27.09 | deadline | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 23:27.17 | dondelelcaro | meff: no, I mean dpkg -i; then apt-get -f install; |
| 23:27.17 | arkaoss | i am contemplating just dl'ing the latest php and installing/Making it |
| 23:27.25 | bai | 'sup don, long time no see :P |
| 23:27.33 | cureless | linux_Tux: can you log in normally? Do you have a $HOME, do you own the files in your home? are you out of disk? |
| 23:28.11 | dondelelcaro | bai: wait, you're from UCR, right? |
| 23:28.19 | linux_Tux | cureless: how to know if i'm out of disk .. i can't load any terminal |
| 23:28.26 | bai | yeah, I was an RCC, heh |
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| 23:28.38 | dondelelcaro | bai: ah, right... good, my memory hasn't failed me yet. |
| 23:28.50 | bai | haha |
| 23:28.56 | Sjimmie | oh i did it deadcat and it works, i can enable it int he conf |
| 23:29.01 | alus | linux_Tux: sounds like a pretty good indicator |
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| 23:29.07 | deadline | what does that mean? Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified. ./setup.sh: line 260: 2809 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1. im trying to install a game (tactical ops) with a shell script |
| 23:29.12 | cureless | linux_Tux: log in without X, type df. Did you install all the X stuff (xterm and kde/gnome or fluxbox,etc)? |
| 23:29.20 | alus | deadcat: you don't have a GLX implementation installed |
| 23:29.48 | alus | deadcat: what video card do you have? |
| 23:30.09 | cureless | linux_Tux: in case you don't know control-alt-1 will get you a login console. |
| 23:30.11 | Vladi | can someone please explain IRQ load balancing and MSI interupts to me im trying to decide if i need them in my kernel its a dual p3 450 server. thx! |
| 23:30.11 | alus | or, maybe you don't have X started |
| 23:30.22 | deadline | alus: nvidia geforce4 |
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| 23:30.32 | PerfDave | deadline: At a guess, you're running X as a user and the install script as root, and you've used "su" to get to root instead of "sux" |
| 23:30.32 | linux_Tux | cureless: the system was runinng correctly .. but after installing kernel-headers and modules-assisstant and rebooted i got this error , where can i type df to loging without X |
| 23:30.36 | deadline | alus: btw im deadline not deadcat :) |
| 23:30.50 | alus | deadcat: sorry, not you |
| 23:30.56 | alus | deadline: is X11 running? |
| 23:30.56 | deadline | PerfDave: you are right maestro:) |
| 23:31.00 | deadline | alus: yes |
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| 23:31.26 | alus | oh, what PerfDave said I guess |
| 23:31.26 | cureless | linux_Tux: no, you login without X by pressing control-alt-1, then on the console login screen type your username and password. Then you will have a shell and you can type commands and fix your system. |
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| 23:31.57 | MobyTurbo | cureless: control-alt-F1 |
| 23:32.09 | cureless | whoops, yes, that's what I meant. |
| 23:32.17 | d3s | I'm using deb-testing + fluxbox.. how can I use gtk theme. I installed gtk-theme-switch and gtk-mac2 |
| 23:32.21 | cureless | next time I should look at the keyboard. |
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| 23:32.47 | linux_Tux | cureless: i'm now on the X welcome screen , should i reboot and press ctrl-alt-1 after reboot ? |
| 23:32.48 | PerfDave | resiak: It's pretty easy to set it up to work permanently. Either call xauth from root's .bashrc or just symlink your .Xauthority. |
| 23:32.54 | deadline | alus: PerfDave it works now. thanks a million |
| 23:32.57 | jetscreamer | type gtk-theme-switch. or click the menu thing |
| 23:33.01 | cureless | linux_Tux: get that, it's F1 (Crl-Alt-F1) or F2, etc. |
| 23:33.02 | PerfDave | deadline: Good oh :) |
| 23:33.03 | resiak | PerfDave: I didn't even do that. |
| 23:33.11 | PerfDave | resiak: Maybe something did it for you. |
| 23:33.16 | jetscreamer | and it's ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to gui btw |
| 23:33.22 | cureless | linux_Tux: nooo, don't reboot. |
| 23:33.28 | PerfDave | resiak: Or maybe you're running X as root ;) |
| 23:33.29 | PerfDave | !reboot |
| 23:33.48 | linux_Tux | cureless: i'm on now , what to do to check if i don't have a disk space |
| 23:33.55 | cureless | linux_Tux: df |
| 23:34.30 | resiak | PerfDave: Well, the X process is running as root... *worries that he's being moronic* |
| 23:34.39 | linux_Tux | cureless: available 0 :) and i don't know what to remove :) |
| 23:34.40 | d3s | jetscreamer: I did.. but After i installed gtk-themes-mac2... I ran gtk-themes-switch but I did not find anything to use.. it's only default. |
| 23:34.50 | cureless | linux_Tux: apt-get clean |
| 23:34.56 | deadline | PerfDave: maybe you know a solution for my xmms problem. after upgrading to 2.6.8-1 kernel i get errors, it says that for example: es-mac2... I |
| 23:34.59 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.11 | linux_Tux | cureless: still 0 |
| 23:35.12 | deadline | wtf:S |
| 23:35.22 | jetscreamer | d3s, you need to install some gtk themes also |
| 23:35.44 | jetscreamer | d3s, apt-cache search gtk-theme and gtk2-theme iirc |
| 23:35.48 | cureless | linux_Tux: well, time to decide. Remove all those mp3s and next time partition your hard disk in a better way. |
| 23:35.50 | jetscreamer | then install some |
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| 23:36.04 | deadline | PerfDave: i guess you didnt understand my question |
| 23:36.12 | linux_Tux | cureless: how to remove from console |
| 23:36.14 | PerfDave | deadline: I have no idea, I don't use Gnome for starters. |
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| 23:36.27 | d3s | I ran gtk-themes-swtich after I installed gtk-engines-mac2 but only found default theme.. nothing more to use.. I'm using fluxbox |
| 23:36.29 | deadline | PerfDave: i dont use gnome either |
| 23:36.47 | cureless | linux_Tux: rm, but read up on using a unix console first |
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| 23:37.14 | PerfDave | deadline: In that case I definitely didn't understand your question ;) |
| 23:37.36 | jetscreamer | damn dude what part of you need to install some themes also |
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| 23:38.05 | deadline | PerfDave: xmms died after kernel upgrade. libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory...and similar errors; any idea how to fix that one? |
| 23:38.13 | PerfDave | deadline: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 23:38.19 | linux_Tux | cureless: i have dev/hda1 with 0 available and dev/hda6 1% use is it like that the disk doesn't have a free space or it's the boot directory only |
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| 23:38.26 | deadline | PerfDave: what is BTS |
| 23:38.40 | resiak | !bts |
| 23:38.42 | cureless | linux_Tux: your problem is probably the directory /tmp |
| 23:38.43 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or ... |
| 23:38.43 | d3s | Waa. I think i have to install gtk-smooth-themes to see a new gtk themes lists |
| 23:38.51 | jetscreamer | d3s, make that gtk-engine, for themes |
| 23:39.02 | jetscreamer | !find gtk-engine |
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| 23:39.04 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gtk-engine' (14 of 20): gtk-engines-begtk ;; gtk-engines-eazel ;; gtk-engines-geramik ;; gtk-engines-geramik-data ;; gtk-engines-icegradient ;; gtk-engines-industrial ;; gtk-engines-lighthouseblue ;; gtk-engines-mac2 ;; gtk-engines-metal ;; gtk-engines-mist ;; gtk-engines-notif ;; gtk-engines-pixmap ;; ... |
| 23:39.04 | cureless | linux_Tux: so your root directory if you didn't partiton /tmp as a separate thing. |
| 23:39.18 | jetscreamer | see also gtk2-engines i think |
| 23:39.18 | linux_Tux | cureless: so what to do ? |
| 23:39.28 | alus | after running 'sndconfig' my soundcard works, but after I reboot it stops again |
| 23:39.47 | alus | how can I cause /etc/modutils/sndconfig to be considered on boot? |
| 23:40.17 | cureless | linux_Tux: I don't know, erase something. Without knowing you, your system, what you do, what you like and where you live I can't tell you what to erase. You can remove some logs if they are too big, or move them to the partition with free space. (logs in /var/log) |
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| 23:40.29 | d3s | Ok now.. It's OK... but I'm still looking for Aqua-Mac theme for os.. I found gtk-engines-mac2 but not the themes |
| 23:40.40 | deadline | PerfDave: no idea? |
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| 23:40.41 | tull | hello |
| 23:40.50 | tull | how do i boot to console directly> |
| 23:40.57 | resiak | !tell tull about nodm |
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| 23:42.01 | linux_Tux | cureless: how to move from hda1 to hda6 |
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| 23:42.54 | cureless | cureless: hda* are devices, you need to look at the filesystem and where they are mounted. (df would have told you that, mount too). The command to move is mv, but I can't help you with every command. Look up some info on the unix shell on google. |
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| 23:43.16 | zno | ~faq |
| 23:43.17 | apt | hmm... faq is The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:43.58 | tull | resiak thanks |
| 23:44.02 | resiak | tull: No problem. |
| 23:44.05 | PerfDave | directhex: Is there nothing in the BTS? |
| 23:44.07 | PerfDave | Argh |
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| 23:44.11 | PerfDave | deadline: is there nothing in the BTS? |
| 23:44.20 | deadline | PerfDave: what is BTS? |
| 23:44.21 | callipygous | hey, I updated my woody to testing, and now when I boot I get multiple "mount wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on empfs, or too many mounted file systems" |
| 23:44.24 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 23:44.24 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, ... |
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| 23:44.34 | callipygous | thing is, I don't have tmpfs, and im defainately not using tmpfs |
| 23:44.42 | callipygous | my /etc/fstab looks fine... |
| 23:44.49 | deadline | PerfDave: didnt check. will do that |
| 23:45.24 | cg0def | is kernel-image-*-amd64 64 bit or 32? |
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| 23:45.30 | zno | how do I make sure the kernel headers and kernel image are the same version? |
| 23:45.46 | linux_Tux | cureless: sorry last command :) how to delete files ? |
| 23:45.46 | deadline | how can i upgrade to gcc 3.4 version? |
| 23:45.55 | cureless | linux_Tux: rm |
| 23:46.27 | cg0def | zno: hum look at the versions and install matching ones |
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| 23:47.03 | zno | cg0def: they're at the 2.4.27-X but X is different |
| 23:47.04 | callipygous | so what is wrong? |
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| 23:47.43 | cg0def | zno: that shouldn't be a problem the headers are just source code |
| 23:47.52 | Grant | hey guys, got a bit of a issue anything in my cgi-bin aint workn |
| 23:48.09 | Grant | the alias is in the conf and the files are in there but no worky |
| 23:48.17 | zno | cg0def: well I'm trying to compile something against the headers, and it's failing because (I think) the source is out of sync iwth the headers |
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| 23:48.53 | resiak | deadline: apt-get install gcc-3.4 perhaps? |
| 23:49.02 | cg0def | zno: if you are trying to compile modules agains the headers you will need the whole kernel source |
| 23:49.17 | Grant | BTW, when i go to the browser to view the cgi apps my browser try's to download them |
| 23:49.17 | zno | cg0def: that's what I was afraid of |
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| 23:49.18 | Grant | :S |
| 23:49.39 | cg0def | zno: some modules compile agains that headers fine but often they don't |
| 23:49.40 | deadline | resiak: is that all i will need for a full function compiler? |
| 23:49.44 | linux_Tux | cureless: where can i find the installed packages by apt-get , i installed modules-assisstant where can i find it to remove it |
| 23:49.47 | zno | cg0def: should I remove the kernel-headers package when I get the kerne-source? |
| 23:49.56 | resiak | deadline: You may also want g++-3.4 |
| 23:50.01 | cg0def | zno: no you can keep it |
| 23:50.08 | deadline | resiak: ok thanks |
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| 23:50.18 | cg0def | zno: unless you need the extra 15-20mb |
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| 23:50.24 | Grant2 | can anyone help me with my cgi-bin problem? |
| 23:50.26 | zno | cg0def: gonna give it a try thanks |
| 23:50.33 | cg0def | np |
| 23:50.53 | ExxonE | Can anyone help me with the command downloading a torrent in terminal? |
| 23:51.10 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 23:51.10 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:51.33 | Grant2 | Hello? |
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| 23:52.05 | Ronin | ya that always helps |
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| 23:52.13 | quittt | Che is SENDING PORN! |
| 23:52.17 | quittt | ban this asshole! |
| 23:52.19 | resiak | ExxonE: man btdownloadcurses |
| 23:52.24 | resiak | !topicsmite quittt |
| 23:52.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon quittt. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:52.33 | Ronin | sending porn? anythign good too look it quittt ? |
| 23:52.36 | ExxonE | thx resiak |
| 23:52.43 | RichiH | quitte: thanks |
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| 23:53.00 | quittt | Ronin, it is a virus |
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| 23:53.17 | Ronin | ahh no worrys then but no fun either |
| 23:53.21 | alus | so sndconfig makes my soundcard work until I reboot, what should I add to make it work on bootup? |
| 23:53.29 | RichiH | quitte: and klined. thanks again :) |
| 23:53.40 | MobyTurbo | virus porn - naked rna strands? |
| 23:54.58 | travisat | shake those nucleotides |
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| 23:57.19 | RichiH | just so everyone knows - when these spambots surface, /join #freenode and tell staff about it. also, you can do "!ops foo is a spambot" in here to send a message to the ops |
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| 23:58.08 | sussudio | bryan adams? |
| 23:58.13 | callipygous | ahhahah |
| 23:58.19 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:58.24 | callipygous | canadians talk funny |
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| 23:58.53 | callipygous | hey, I updated my woody to testing, and now when I boot I get multiple "mount wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on empfs, or too many mounted file systems" cus if anybody knows why i get this annoying message, i'd be relieved |
| 23:59.05 | callipygous | oh and the filesystems still mount |
| 23:59.17 | Xenguy | callipygous: everybody talks "funny", depending on where you come from =) |
