| 00:00.07 | piem | caphuso: call it a troll, i think this should be discussed. probably not here, so i'll shut up, again.. |
| 00:00.14 | thumbs | yet when ive tried it before, im left with an unbootable computer. im told that means i need to dd the mbr as well. |
| 00:00.43 | dvs | thumbs: that makes sense |
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| 00:00.58 | arango | abrotman: When dealing with X, how do I get 800x480. I know about modelines but I don't know how to calculate them. |
| 00:00.58 | caphuso | ok, let's try piem's way for a while. anybody who wants to answer a question asks me first if he's allowe to :) |
| 00:01.40 | thumbs | PerfDave: can i do that without dding the entire HD? just a single part _and_ the mbr somehow? |
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| 00:02.00 | xitrium | is there a way to ln -s across filesystems/a network? |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | arango: i have no idea .. you can't select it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:02.17 | caphuso | xitrium: yes, by using, err, "ln -s" |
| 00:02.19 | dondelelcaro | xitrium: ln -s works across filesystems, and if you've mounted the remote filesystem, it will work across a network. |
| 00:02.36 | infodroid | thumbs: isn't that the difference between doing a dd of=/dev/hda and a dd of=/dev/hda1? |
| 00:02.37 | xitrium | is there a way to make it work with samba mounting? the remote filesystem is unix-based |
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| 00:02.50 | infodroid | thumbs: i meant if= |
| 00:02.52 | caphuso | xitrium: that doesn't matter |
| 00:03.02 | PerfDave | thumbs: You can dd the MBR seperately from a partition, but I can't remember how ;) |
| 00:03.15 | stew | thumbs: you can dd just the mbr with bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:03.16 | thumbs | infodroid: if i do /dev/hda will it save only the mbr, correct? |
| 00:03.16 | xitrium | caphuso: it says Operation not permitted |
| 00:03.19 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.27 | PerfDave | thumbs: No, /dev/hda is the entire disk |
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| 00:03.32 | thumbs | thx stew, thats what i was missing |
| 00:03.33 | darxeth | how can i add different languages in abiword? |
| 00:03.36 | dvs | PerfDave: dd if=/dev/hda of=filename bs=512 count=1 I think |
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| 00:03.53 | infodroid | thumbs: no, you need to do a /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda1 and then you need to manually compute how many blocks (etc) is your mbr |
| 00:04.00 | caphuso | xitrium: when doing what exact command? |
| 00:04.02 | t0ffel | anyone know if there was a weird version of the irssi snapshot around 10 days ago? That would create a folder in /home/ that wasn't supposed to be there? |
| 00:04.24 | caphuso | t0ffel: directory, not folder, and what's the name of it? |
| 00:04.28 | xitrium | ln -s /root/moo3.rar while in the directory... maybe it has something to do with the fact that i'm in /root? |
| 00:04.33 | xitrium | er, linking to root |
| 00:04.44 | infodroid | thumbs: but easiest thing is to back up the whole disk using dd if=/dev/hda, but mind you can't do this for all parts of a live system for some reason, there are ways around it |
| 00:04.58 | caphuso | xitrium: are you allowed to write in /root? |
| 00:05.13 | xitrium | caphuso: I am root |
| 00:05.14 | thumbs | so i would go, dd if=dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda4/imgfile and then dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/hda4/mbrimgfile |
| 00:05.23 | xitrium | I just moved it to another directory, and the same error resulted |
| 00:05.24 | darxeth | i set lsnguage, for example, arabic, but it doesnt write in arabic. how can i write in different language? |
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| 00:06.02 | t0ffel | caphuso: toni. I figured either the default debian install is very insecure, or the irssi snapshot package was messed up. I deleted it though. It contained a bunch of irssi-related files |
| 00:06.03 | huhlig-winxp | is there a OS mappoint clone? |
| 00:06.16 | t0ffel | and more subdirectories |
| 00:06.17 | thumbs | infodroid: i dont have the space or tools to backup the whole drive (or need) - i have a 250 mb part with everything on it, just want to dd it to another part |
| 00:06.19 | infodroid | thumbs: in theory it would look something like that, but what i do remember when i looked into this is that you can't have the disk mounted when you do this if you want a snapshot of your system |
| 00:06.20 | dvs | thumbs: I'd mount /dev/hda4 and of to the mount point. |
| 00:06.22 | karsten | arango: FB can run an X display. It's slower than a fully accelerated X server. |
| 00:06.30 | stew | thumbs: of= should be pointing to a file on a mounted filesystem |
| 00:06.31 | karsten | arango: ...but if it's the best you can do... |
| 00:06.48 | thumbs | ok, so of=/mnt/hda4/imgfile |
| 00:07.03 | dvs | thumbs: no of=/mnt/imgfile |
| 00:07.26 | caphuso | t0ffel: probably messed up compile |
| 00:07.28 | stew | thumbs: and keep in mind that if you dd a partition, you should be restoring it to a partition of exactly the same size, otherwise you should just be using tar |
| 00:07.48 | infodroid | dvs: why not? /dev/hda4/imgfile? |
| 00:07.51 | stew | thumbs: and maybe you should just be using tar anyway becuase with dd you are also backing up all the unused space |
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| 00:08.06 | thumbs | well maybe tar is the way to go then. jeez. the plot thickens |
| 00:08.09 | stew | infodroid: /dev/hda4 isn't a directory, its a file |
| 00:08.11 | dvs | infodroid: Because you're writing directly to the partition and not the file system. |
| 00:08.15 | t0ffel | caphuso: hoping it was something like that. It's probably the most likely. I think. :P |
| 00:08.25 | thumbs | (the plot always thickens with linux) |
| 00:08.50 | thumbs | so i want to tar the entire partition...any pointers? that ive never done |
| 00:08.55 | infodroid | stew: momentary lapse of visual cortex |
| 00:08.56 | FraterM | anyone know some good links to howtos on the way one would enable php in a default install of debian? |
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| 00:09.25 | caphuso | FraterM: install it. read /usr/share/doc/php*/README* |
| 00:09.30 | PerfDave | FraterM: apt-cache search php, install the relevant packages, if you have any trouble, read the documentation. |
| 00:10.39 | thumbs | is there ever a simple solution? a small script available somewhere? something automated? (whine whine) |
| 00:11.11 | NewpZ | this is weird.. kde and gnome my sound card works fine but when i try to play doom3 or "toddler game" i get this error.. "Cannot load SDL_Mixer...disabling sound" but I have sdl installed.. any pointers? |
| 00:11.37 | resiak | NewpZ: Are you using ALSA? |
| 00:11.39 | PerfDave | thumbs: If you want to back up partitions over the network, use partimage. If you want to back up filesystems, use AMANDA or dump or something. |
| 00:11.55 | arango | I need to dowload individual packages manually and install them offline. Where are the debian packages stored ? |
| 00:12.06 | PerfDave | NewpZ: What happens if you switch off the sound server in KDE or Gnome? |
| 00:12.21 | resiak | NewpZ: In any case, apt-cache search libsdl1.2debian and install the relevant one for the appropriate sound server. |
| 00:12.32 | thumbs | ok PerfDave, ill look into partimage again...it failed me last time tho.. |
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| 00:13.11 | NewpZ | resiak, i am installing -all .. maybe that will do the trick |
| 00:13.25 | gilles | when i try to connect to a computer via ssh, it always says : WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!, what can i do ? |
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| 00:13.40 | NewpZ | resiak: nope guess not! |
| 00:13.43 | gImp | edit the entry in the known_hosts file, gilles |
| 00:13.50 | stew | gilles: edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 00:14.18 | gImp | gilles, you should find a hostname entry for which the key clashes.. |
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| 00:14.46 | gilles | stew: i should edit this on the computer i try to go into, or in my computer ? |
| 00:14.54 | stew | gilles: the client |
| 00:14.54 | kethinov | does anyone know a way to zip every file in a directory with a terminal command? |
| 00:14.58 | gImp | on your computer, gilles |
| 00:15.13 | gImp | zip or gzip |
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| 00:15.59 | gImp | recursively too, kethinov? |
| 00:16.10 | gilles | gImp: but this file is full of non-understandable stuffs |
| 00:16.22 | gImp | yeah, use a text editor and just delete the line.. |
| 00:16.32 | kethinov | gImp, no, i just need an individual zip file for every file in one directory. no subdirs |
| 00:16.38 | darxeth | how can i set a proxy using the terminal? |
| 00:16.43 | gImp | e.g. if the offending hostname was 'bolloxs'.. you'd just delete the entry containing that.. |
| 00:16.53 | kethinov | gImp, zip, not gzip |
| 00:16.56 | gilles | gImp: there are plenty of lines in it |
| 00:16.56 | droopy_ | How do you print a man page? |
| 00:16.58 | resiak | kethinov: man zip |
| 00:17.03 | gilles | gImp: can i delete it all ? |
| 00:17.16 | gImp | you could do.. maybe not a great idea.. gilles.. |
| 00:17.19 | resiak | kethinov: Throw in a smattering of Perl :) |
| 00:17.30 | gilles | i'll just delete the file, and try |
| 00:17.35 | gImp | delete the offending line.. |
| 00:17.43 | kethinov | resiak, ugh i was hpoing i wouldnt have to do that hehe |
| 00:17.43 | gImp | or mv the file to someplace else.. |
| 00:17.49 | gilles | they all look offending to me |
| 00:18.00 | resiak | kethinov: Well, I would say just use bash, but I don't know it too well. |
| 00:18.04 | gImp | know the feeling.. wives turn like that after a few years. |
| 00:18.42 | gImp | it's when they start getting bearded that i feel queasy. |
| 00:18.54 | gilles | gImp, stew: thanks, it works now that i have removed the file |
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| 00:19.09 | breegster | I connected my external serial modem with the smaller 9pin serial connection instead of the 25pin. Things seem a bit slower, but should it make a difference? |
| 00:19.19 | stew | kethinov: cp known_hosts known_hosts.old ; grep -v hostname < known_hosts.old > known_hosts |
| 00:19.41 | resiak | kethinov: It's something to the effect of perl -e 'for (@ARGV) { system "zip", "$_.zip", $_ }' files you want to zip |
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| 00:20.19 | kethinov | stew, huh? |
| 00:20.26 | stew | kethinov: ooops, that was menat for gilles |
| 00:20.29 | breegster | Also, anybody know if I could switch the cable out for a keyboard (roundish plug, smaller than PS2) to a PS2 plug? |
| 00:20.47 | caphuso | oh god |
| 00:21.07 | breegster | this keyboard is evil. |
| 00:21.07 | gImp | shouldn't have thought 25 pin or 9 pin plugs made a difference.. same signals will be used.. |
| 00:21.10 | stew | kethinov: you just want "zip zipfile *" i think |
| 00:21.34 | breegster | gImp: i don't think it does, wvdial is nice and fast, unlike kppp |
| 00:21.42 | caphuso | the "open file" dialog of the nightly firecrap is really a piece of shit |
| 00:21.43 | breegster | just wondering |
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| 00:22.56 | arango | what's in kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8_2.6.8-13_all.deb ? |
| 00:23.00 | NewpZ | is there a way i can switch or test or whatever to get SDL working? |
| 00:23.51 | breegster | Also, anyone know why there's not a 2.6 kernel specifically for AMD (k6 arch)? |
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| 00:24.03 | piem | arango: apt-cache show kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 will give you a hint |
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| 00:24.17 | kethinov | stew, i think that just makes one big zip file. i need separate ones for each file |
| 00:24.23 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: if you compile your own then it will be specifically for AMD ;) |
| 00:24.40 | kethinov | stew, i think resiak is right and that i do need to do a bit of scripting :( |
| 00:24.40 | stew | kethinov: for a in * ; do zip $a.zip $a ; done |
| 00:24.46 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: I'll probably do that |
| 00:24.48 | SerajewelKS | what's the most effective way to set up a Palm-to-PC network over bluetooth (with a USB dongle)? |
| 00:24.59 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: DO IT.......DO IT NOW!!! |
| 00:25.08 | breegster | I'm definetly going to not continue to use xandros+sarge packages |
| 00:25.17 | stew | kethinov: if your filenames have spaces in them that won't work |
| 00:25.27 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: I have to swop the HDDs and get a better keyboard |
| 00:25.34 | kethinov | stew, they do |
| 00:25.46 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: well man, take your time but hurry up! |
| 00:26.01 | breegster | I have to wait till this weekend |
| 00:26.04 | kethinov | stew, could i put quotes in the little bash script to fix that? |
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| 00:26.10 | resiak | kethinov: The way that I said will work with spaces. |
| 00:26.12 | breegster | not good @ switching HDDs myself |
| 00:26.29 | monteiro | anyone knows a tool to recover files from a fat32 floppy ? |
| 00:26.42 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: whats the problem. They come CS by default these days.....IDE anyway...... |
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| 00:26.53 | arango | I am running kernel-image-2.6.8-13_i386. Will the kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-13_all.deb package contain the same source that this image was compiled with ? |
| 00:27.00 | kawaiikune | monteiro, how were they lost? |
| 00:27.10 | dvs | arango: I sure hope so |
| 00:27.30 | stew | kethinov: i think ... zip "$a.zip" "$a" ; would work but i'm not positive |
| 00:27.43 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: I might try it. I've got a i386 kernel on my sarge HDD. I might just boot off that & recompile or just get a fresh netinstall |
| 00:27.45 | NewpZ | is sid extremely unstable now-a-days? |
| 00:27.48 | monteiro | kawaiikune : well , copy files to my floppy and 2 files on that disk works the others says IO/ERROR |
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| 00:28.03 | resiak | kethinov: Guh, what I said works. |
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| 00:28.08 | dvs | NewpZ: sid is always unstable |
| 00:28.24 | andrewski | is this the place to ask about making packages? |
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| 00:29.05 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: if you practice good kernel compiling then it should not be a problem and you should be able to switch back and forth as you want......I do.....I've got lilo setup to run 3 different kernels.....the original a 2.4.18 and a 2.4.29 |
| 00:29.14 | breegster | sweet |
| 00:29.15 | piem | andrewski: try #debian-mentors |
| 00:29.16 | kethinov | got it guys, thanks resiak, thanks stew |
| 00:29.27 | andrewski | piem: thanks! |
| 00:29.35 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: and if you fuck up you can always boot from the installation cd and fix it. |
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| 00:29.55 | kawaiikune | hmm, not sure about that one |
| 00:29.58 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: Isn't it just apt-get install kernel-source-x, make menuconfig, make-kpkg, dpkg -i? |
| 00:30.03 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: google for dwarf's debian guide.....good stuff on building a kernel |
| 00:30.09 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: ok |
| 00:30.11 | NewpZ | hrm... how do i switch kde to use sdl instead of alsa? |
| 00:30.23 | resiak | NewpZ: You don't. |
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| 00:30.37 | resiak | NewpZ: SDL is not a sound system. |
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| 00:30.49 | NewpZ | its just a layer? |
| 00:31.10 | caphuso | it's a bit like MS directfoo |
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| 00:31.42 | ricochet | Question: I ran out of space on /, as a result I cant use man, could someone tell me how to, and if its a good idea, to flush the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:31.53 | stew | ricochet: apt-get clean |
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| 00:32.06 | ricochet | stew, thanks. |
| 00:32.11 | trunks` | when making a new partition, is it better to use ext2 or ext3? |
| 00:32.18 | resiak | !better |
| 00:32.18 | breegster | ext3 methinks |
| 00:32.18 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 00:32.24 | dvs | trunks`: ext3 |
| 00:32.25 | caphuso | trunks`: depends |
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| 00:32.35 | Tman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.38 | NewpZ | http://www.pastebin.com/239920 <-- my latest errors with sdl |
| 00:32.44 | trunks` | i guess my question is, then |
| 00:32.48 | trunks` | what is the advantage of ext2 |
| 00:32.50 | kawaiikune | monteiro, how did you get a fat32 floppy in the first place? |
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| 00:33.10 | breegster | 15MB boot, 8GB root, rest home. Decent partitioning scheme? |
| 00:33.10 | kawaiikune | i thought that floppy's weren't big enough to be formatted as fat 32 to begin w. |
| 00:33.33 | cliechti | what can i do to create the kernel entry in grubs menu.lst that is updated automaticaly by apt-get install kernel-image-xxx? i gues there is a template somewhere? |
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| 00:33.34 | monteiro | kawaiikune : i friend of mine formatted the damn win98 ! and he copied some important files to the floppy, EXCEL files |
| 00:33.47 | u_int32_t | hi, am i supposed to download all of the isos here? http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 00:33.56 | breegster | cliechti: grub-update? |
| 00:33.56 | caphuso | u_int32_t: no |
| 00:34.01 | dvs | cliechti: edit your /etc/kernel-img.conf file |
| 00:34.06 | kawaiikune | and you don't have backup? |
| 00:34.07 | u_int32_t | caphuso, which one then |
| 00:34.21 | caphuso | u_int32_t: the first one is more than enough |
| 00:34.30 | u_int32_t | ok thanks caphuso |
| 00:34.30 | Tman | let me reprhase that.. I'm running a LAN (some WAN) server, it's going to store files.. /usr and / have 25GB allocated to them, so which should get 15GB and which should get 10GB? which takes up more space? |
| 00:34.55 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: unless you're doing production stuff with your linux box I wouldn't worry about partitioning too much I have two partitions / and a swap....thats it. |
| 00:34.56 | caphuso | Tman: depends on what exactly you are going to do with the box |
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| 00:35.07 | darxeth | umm guys |
| 00:35.18 | darxeth | i'm in http://www.astalavista.com//data/ethereal1.10.5.tar.gz how can i save this file to disk? :S |
| 00:35.18 | Tman | caphuso: well does / really take up that much space? |
| 00:35.23 | caphuso | Tman: depends |
| 00:35.37 | dvs | darxeth: wget? |
| 00:35.38 | resiak | !tell u_int32_t about d-i |
| 00:35.38 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: ok. if I swop HDDs, will some of the new hardware be recognized? new soundcard, CDROM drives... |
| 00:35.47 | NewpZ | heh if you do a apt-get remove libsdl it removes gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnomemeeting |
| 00:35.51 | darxeth | dvs: not using the terminal |
| 00:35.55 | Tman | sigh.. |
| 00:35.58 | resiak | NewpZ: Why are you removing libsdl?! |
| 00:36.01 | dvs | darxeth: Using what? |
| 00:36.15 | darxeth | the web browser... Konqueror |
| 00:36.17 | NewpZ | resiak: sounds like fun |
| 00:36.17 | resiak | NewpZ: You merely want to install the appropriate breed for your sound server. |
| 00:36.19 | kawaiikune | so, the files were copied over and then the disk was formatted? |
| 00:36.30 | ^c | darxeth: I just wgetted it |
| 00:36.31 | Tman | caphuso: if it did, would it be mostly /var/log? I wouldn't use /root much at all |
| 00:36.35 | Lo_Meinix | breegster: I guess that depends on the kernel......2.4 probably not....cd will but you'll have to determine what drivers you need for the rest.......definitely not sound......don't get me started about sound. |
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| 00:36.48 | ^c | darxeth: thanks for the link ;) |
| 00:36.50 | caphuso | Tman: /tmp can get quite big, under certain workloads |
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| 00:37.07 | breegster | Lo_Meinix: getting sound to work is tough. always. |
| 00:37.07 | caphuso | Tman: it's really not a question we can answer for you |
| 00:37.10 | kawaiikune | monteiro: the files were copied and then the disk was formatted? |
| 00:37.12 | Tman | caphuso: it won't be used very much |
| 00:37.22 | Tman | I'll go ahead and give /usr 15GB |
| 00:37.22 | NewpZ | i did that.. and still nada... i installed the one for ASAL |
| 00:37.30 | NewpZ | alsa |
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| 00:37.48 | caphuso | Tman: what you can do is leave a big chunk of your disk unpartitioned until you actually need the space |
| 00:37.49 | darxeth | dvs: well it toke about 2 minutes downloading it or less... and when i try to extract it, it just dont do nothing... lets say i wanna get it from the web browser, u know how we do that? |
| 00:37.54 | Lo_Meinix | you know, come to think of it I can't think why linux guides are so big on partitions for this and that......except for scalability......certainly doesn't add any redundancy when you only have one hdd |
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| 00:38.09 | Tman | caphuso: yeah.. forgot about that.. |
| 00:38.23 | dvs | darxeth: Does the file exist on your machine? |
| 00:38.26 | cliechti | breegster, dvs, well i have read somewhere that there need to be special marker comments in menu.lst so that only that enty is automaticaly updated, but i see i have no grub-update binary |
| 00:38.40 | NewpZ | i needed to update gnome anyway |
| 00:38.40 | NewpZ | heh |
| 00:38.44 | caphuso | Lo_Meinix: it's a damn PITA when you don't have a /home partition and fuck up your system to the point where you need to reinstall |
| 00:38.54 | dvs | cliechti: Did you run it as root? |
| 00:38.59 | nevyn | Lo_Meinix: /boot is a historical thing 1024 cyl limit in lilo /home makes sense if you're going to reinstall/try another distro. |
| 00:39.04 | trunks` | Question: i have windows XP currently installed on my computer, im installing debian to a separate partition-- is it safe to install GRUB or will that mess windows up? |
| 00:39.11 | breegster | cliechti: no clue, sorry |
| 00:39.15 | darxeth | dvs: yes, when downloading, it says downloading to a tmp file... |
| 00:39.22 | caphuso | trunks`: you need to configure grub to boot windows, that's all |
| 00:39.26 | darxeth | like /tmp/username/... |
| 00:39.29 | trunks` | allright |
| 00:39.40 | ^c | darxeth: configured just fine |
| 00:39.45 | darxeth | but i want to directly downloaded to lets say the /home file... |
| 00:40.08 | monteiro | kawaiikune : yes, the disk i meant the hard-disk, i copied the files to the floppy and the hard-disk was formatted |
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| 00:40.23 | darxeth | cant it just prompt me to where i wanna place it? |
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| 00:40.33 | kawaiikune | ohhh |
| 00:40.38 | dvs | darxeth: I'd right click on the link and use "Save link as..." |
| 00:40.44 | cliechti | dvs, which grub-update as root returns no results. maybe i need to install something. let me check the package listing |
| 00:40.47 | ^c | darxeth: open a terminal, go to where you want to place it and wget there |
| 00:40.59 | darxeth | ah allright |
| 00:41.01 | darxeth | thanks both |
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| 00:41.19 | dvs | cliechti: I hope you installed grub |
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| 00:41.29 | abrotman | that u_int guy was the one filling the bots with trash |
| 00:42.29 | cliechti | dvs, sure i boot with it. i just used to make the menu.lst manually. its called update-grub not grub-update :-) |
| 00:42.32 | resiak | abrotman: Really? |
| 00:42.37 | trunks` | another question XD: is ftp or http better for downloading in apt-get |
| 00:42.45 | trunks` | or does it not matter |
| 00:42.46 | Lo_Meinix | caphuso: yeah I know, but for a screwing around system.....who cares? If it was a system I depended upon, yeah....things would be a bit different......but most people are here for learning....or so I assume. |
| 00:42.49 | dvs | cliechti: What does update-grub says? |
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| 00:43.21 | abrotman | resiak: hrm .. he changed the dpkg factoid in apt .. |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | ~dpkg |
| 00:43.24 | apt | it has been said that dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | maybe it was apt in dpkg |
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| 00:43.40 | abrotman | whatever it was .. i think sussudio changed it back |
| 00:43.50 | resiak | abrotman: I see. |
| 00:44.35 | alexandre | please, i wat install my web, like i using module-assistant ?? |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | you can't find factoids that people have modified i gather |
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| 00:44.50 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:44.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:45.24 | cliechti | dvs, yep. it created the default entries and said marker comments. i'll now check the man page for kernel-img.conf. thanks |
| 00:45.25 | NewpZ | resiak: can you look at this? http://www.pastebin.com/239930 |
| 00:45.34 | dvs | cliechti: np |
| 00:45.36 | NewpZ | i installed the sdl lib for alsa |
| 00:45.37 | piem | alexandre: how do you mean 'install my web' ? |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | NewpZ: ask #alsa |
| 00:46.05 | stew | !listauth u_int32_t |
| 00:46.05 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'u_int32_t' returned no results. |
| 00:46.07 | cliechti | breegster, update-grub it was ;-) |
| 00:46.09 | alexandre | misoure, is webcam |
| 00:46.16 | breegster | cliechti: ironically enough |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | stew: it doesn't do modifications |
| 00:46.21 | alexandre | please, i wat install my webcam, like i using module-assistant ?? |
| 00:46.38 | Diablo | hmmm www.linuks.mine.nu has been hacked? |
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| 00:46.48 | kawaiikune | monteiro: so, now you're trying to recover the files from the hard drive......well, my friend has this program that is supposed to repair excell files......you're running linux, though, right? do you have a windows machine, or can you dual boot or something? |
| 00:46.52 | piem | alexandre: what's your webcam name? |
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| 00:47.29 | alexandre | is a DSB-C110, D-Link |
| 00:47.42 | resiak | NewpZ: I was only assuming that you're using ALSA: from the look of things, you're not. I'm off, though: sorry. |
| 00:47.53 | alexandre | my lsub say: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 06a5:d800 Divio Chicony TwinkleCam |
| 00:48.09 | FieldySnuts | remembner folks, alexandre is NOT using debian. |
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| 00:48.27 | dvs | !smite alexandre |
| 00:48.43 | piem | dvs: your too kind |
| 00:48.46 | FieldySnuts | playing that whole $mydistro is debian based game |
| 00:48.55 | alexandre | but i using kalango. kalango=debian |
| 00:49.04 | stew | abrotman: false |
| 00:49.06 | mxldr | hey- how do i remove gnome? apt-get remove gnome doesn't do the trick |
| 00:49.12 | stew | err |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | stew: upside-down! |
| 00:49.15 | stew | alexandre: false |
| 00:49.23 | NewpZ | resiak: i am using alsa, i think... how do i tell? |
| 00:49.30 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 00:49.30 | dpkg | well, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 00:49.31 | Lo_Meinix | mxldr: dpkg -p gnome ? |
| 00:49.45 | resiak | NewpZ: Uh... lsmod and look for snd-* modules. |
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| 00:50.14 | alexandre | no, is true ... kalango is derived from debian kanoppix. |
| 00:50.25 | NewpZ | resiak: snd,emu10k1,sound |
| 00:50.29 | dvs | alexandre: read /topic |
| 00:50.37 | alexandre | the packages are equal |
| 00:50.49 | piem | alexandre: i think your webcam is already recognised |
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| 00:51.07 | resiak | NewpZ: No, you're using OSS. |
| 00:51.08 | piem | alexandre: what you need is some software to use it |
| 00:51.14 | vulture | alexandre: if the packages were equal then it wouldn't be "derived from" it would actually _be_ debian |
| 00:51.15 | darxeth | dvs: do you know how to install this ethereal program after gunzipping it? :S |
| 00:51.16 | alexandre | it is the same thing. |
| 00:51.17 | vulture | but it isn't |
| 00:51.18 | resiak | NewpZ: Uh, actually. |
| 00:51.22 | resiak | NewpZ: Is snd_emu10k1 there? |
| 00:51.25 | dvs | darxeth: I have no idea |
| 00:51.28 | vulture | alexandre: debian derived is not debian |
| 00:51.43 | resiak | NewpZ: Sorry, I'm too tired to be helpful. |
| 00:51.43 | alexandre | kalango is devived from debian. |
| 00:51.47 | resiak | !debian based |
| 00:51.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:51.47 | darxeth | dvs: really? how do you install a program usually in linux? |
| 00:51.48 | directhex | !knoppixsmite alexandre |
| 00:51.59 | stew | !knoppixsmite alexandre |
| 00:52.09 | stew | !lost stew |
| 00:52.11 | vulture | alexandre: Debian is debian, things derived from debian are just that _derived from_, but not actually, debian. |
| 00:52.12 | dvs | darxeth: I use debs. I very rarely install tarballs |
| 00:52.19 | NewpZ | resiak: when i do an lsmod | grep sound i see "snd,emu10k1,sound" |
| 00:52.25 | piem | darxeth: apt-get install ethereal |
| 00:52.28 | darxeth | dvs: i see |
| 00:52.30 | Lo_Meinix | oh thats funny.....the ozone thing.....lmao |
| 00:52.37 | dvs | NewpZ: Give the entire line |
| 00:52.46 | NewpZ | resiak: and ... snd_pcm 98728 1 snd_emu10k1 |
| 00:52.54 | darxeth | piem, : i've already downloaded it... and its on my home directory, gunzipped... |
| 00:52.56 | alexandre | it' ok ... but i waint simple install my webcam, as? |
| 00:53.04 | resiak | NewpZ: Yes, you're on ALSA. My bad. |
| 00:53.17 | directhex | resiak, he has emu10k1 loaded, he's on oss. |
| 00:53.26 | piem | darxeth: you don't want to do this, use the package, it is way easier |
| 00:53.29 | dvs | resiak: He has both |
| 00:53.40 | Lo_Meinix | alexandre: at what point are you in the process of installing your webcam? |
| 00:53.40 | resiak | dvs, directhex: Uh, yeah. Sorry. |
| 00:53.59 | resiak | NewpZ: As dvs and directhex say, you have both OSS and ALSA, which is bound to cause problems. |
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| 00:54.21 | NewpZ | ahh how to i toss one? |
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| 00:54.35 | dvs | NewpZ: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 00:54.35 | NewpZ | i dont think i need OSS |
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| 00:54.48 | SerajewelKS | is rfcommd available in testing? |
| 00:54.48 | alexandre | any one |
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| 00:54.57 | Lo_Meinix | NewpZ: or apt-get remove alsa-base ;) |
| 00:54.59 | darxeth | piem, : just for ceriousity man :S |
| 00:55.02 | resiak | alexandre: Us, you're not on Debian. |
| 00:55.05 | alexandre | I do not know what to make |
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| 00:55.39 | alexandre | i using apt-get for install my packages. |
| 00:55.42 | directhex | SerajewelKS, rfcommd is a kernel process now (krfcommd) |
| 00:56.00 | real_ | i got a problem, i use debian sid..... my problem is that i cant connect to any port 25 (smtp) and when i scan another pc that has port 25 open i cant see it on the scan... so i cant send mail from my mailserver.... what can it be? |
| 00:56.02 | Flimzy | alexandre: Make a paper mache dump truck |
| 00:56.02 | vulture | alexandre: so, that doesn't make it debian |
| 00:56.05 | SerajewelKS | directhex, what package does it come in? |
| 00:56.15 | real_ | any ideas..... |
| 00:56.23 | vulture | real_: a firewall.. somewhere |
| 00:56.26 | directhex | SerajewelKS, your kernel. install bluez-utils for some control over your bluetooth, though |
| 00:56.26 | real_ | nop |
| 00:56.29 | real_ | nothing vulture |
| 00:56.32 | piem | darxeth: man tar; tar zxvf ethereal*tar.gz |
| 00:56.37 | stew | real_: your isp is blocking port 25 |
| 00:56.39 | Lo_Meinix | alexandre: ok....most of us here probably haven't a clue about your webcam...so here are some general instructions.....go to the vendor's website and see if they provide drivers, if not google for your camera and see if their is a third party driver out there......then you'll probably have to compile the driver and then modprobe it once thats done to install the driver to see if it works. |
| 00:56.44 | SerajewelKS | directhex, i have bluez-utils |
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| 00:56.50 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to get a palm-to-pc network going |
| 00:56.57 | nevyn | Lo_Meinix: eww vendor drivers |
| 00:56.57 | real_ | vulture: now i try a : iptables -t filter -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT but still dont work... |
| 00:57.00 | SerajewelKS | using this document: http://heddley.com/edd/2002/03/04/linuxBlade-howto.html |
| 00:57.02 | real_ | stew: isp ?? |
| 00:57.13 | stew | real_: whoever you get your internet access from |
| 00:57.16 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: Before either of those, a person should see if there is Linux support in the kernel |
| 00:57.17 | nevyn | Lo_Meinix: how long have you been doing this linux thing? |
| 00:57.25 | darxeth | piem, : i already told you i've unzipped it, i just now need to install it... there's a file called INSTALL and INSTALL.configure, but dont know how to run it |
| 00:57.29 | alexandre | Lo_Meinix: already looked for |
| 00:57.30 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: There may already be V4L drivers available |
| 00:57.36 | stew | s/who/whom/ before abrotman attacks my grammar again |
| 00:57.36 | NewpZ | resiak: (19:55:54) crimsun: NewpZ: (for that version of the kernel and newer versions of ALSA) |
| 00:57.43 | real_ | stew: i dont think so, becouse few minutes ago i had no problem... |
| 00:57.47 | Lo_Meinix | nevyn: about a week |
| 00:57.49 | Lo_Meinix | ;) |
| 00:57.53 | piem | alexandre: Lo_Meinix is quite right, but before trying to compile, have a look if you find a package for it |
| 00:57.53 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: 3rd party drivers for webcams are usually pretty useless in Linux |
| 00:57.55 | SerajewelKS | directhex, what should i put in /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf to enable an automated network connection? |
| 00:57.57 | alexandre | Lo_Meinix: but they do not have suporte |
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| 00:57.57 | resiak | NewpZ: I'm afraid that I'm going to be, so I can't realy help more. Sorry. |
| 00:57.58 | nevyn | Lo_Meinix: vendor drivers are a LAST resort on linux |
| 00:58.01 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: As are manufacturer-provided drivers |
| 00:58.10 | NewpZ | np |
| 00:58.11 | piem | darxeth: less README |
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| 00:58.17 | NewpZ | ill get it from here.. thanks for the help |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | stew: i wasn't watching :) |
| 00:58.45 | Flimzy | alexandre: What kind of webcam is it? |
| 00:58.46 | alexandre | piem: this is problem, as do find package ? |
| 00:58.48 | darxeth | piem, : good idea, hold on till i find out if there's a README file in it... |
| 00:58.50 | Lo_Meinix | Well we must all start somewhere....he's not getting the answers he wants or needs but, at the least he's now got a path to follow albeit treacherous |
| 00:59.07 | NewpZ | is there a newer 2.6 -686 kernel then 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 00:59.10 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: I'd rather stay still than take a trecherous path. |
| 00:59.12 | real_ | anyone knows what else can it be? |
| 00:59.14 | nevyn | alexandre: there are a lot of the quickcam type cameras that are supported out of the kernel tree by a projet on sourceforge whichs name escapes me. |
| 00:59.21 | nevyn | umm.. |
| 00:59.24 | alexandre | Flimzy: my webcam is USB |
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| 00:59.34 | dvs | NewpZ: 2.6.18? |
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| 00:59.35 | stew | real_: if you can't telnet to port 25 on a machine that you know has it open then *someone is filtering it |
| 00:59.41 | nevyn | alexandre: chipset? what does lsusb say when you plug it in? |
| 00:59.42 | Flimzy | alexandre: That's nice. but I need to know more than that, since 99.9% of modern webcams are USB. |
| 01:00.11 | SerajewelKS | directhex? |
| 01:00.18 | alexandre | calm, my English is very slow. |
| 01:00.20 | dave_ | Anyone know why I get a NullPointerException in registerFontPropertiesFonts(X11GraphicsEnvironment.java) when I try to run the Neuros Database Manipulator? What font packages do I need installed for java? |
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| 01:00.36 | directhex | SerajewelKS, you don't need to put anything in there, though i forget what you DO need to do |
| 01:00.39 | piem | Flimzy: alexandre told us his webcam is a DSB-C110, D-Link |
| 01:00.41 | nevyn | Lo_Meinix: you still deserve a whooping. |
| 01:00.49 | Lo_Meinix | nevyn: I know |
| 01:00.51 | Flimzy | piem: I missed that. |
| 01:00.58 | alexandre | my lsubs say: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 06a5:d800 Divio Chicony TwinkleCam |
| 01:01.04 | SerajewelKS | well |
| 01:01.13 | alexandre | my webcam is a DSB-C110, D-Link |
| 01:01.25 | real_ | stew: but howcome i can only connect to my domain with telnet ip 25 ? |
| 01:01.31 | darxeth | piem, : after less README, i rather apt-get install ethereal :P) |
| 01:01.38 | Flimzy | alexandre: You need to determine which chipset your webcam uses. Search google for "DSB-C110" and "chipset" (or similar) and see if you can determine the chipset. The D-link website _may_ tell you what you need. lsusb might also (I've never used this tool, but nevyn suggested it) |
| 01:01.41 | Lo_Meinix | nevyn: I haven't tackled webcams yet..... |
| 01:01.48 | Flimzy | alexandre: Once you determine the chipset, you can determine if it's possible to use it in Linux. |
| 01:01.51 | piem | darxeth: :) |
| 01:01.56 | darxeth | but is it the same one that i'm looking for? the ethereal the packet sniffer, right? |
| 01:01.58 | SerajewelKS | directhex, what should i google for then? |
| 01:02.07 | huhlig-winxp | is there a Open Source mappoint clone? |
| 01:02.10 | samlander | good evening all |
| 01:02.12 | nevyn | mappoint? |
| 01:02.18 | huhlig-winxp | yes |
| 01:02.22 | nevyn | what's it do? |
| 01:02.30 | huhlig-winxp | think gps mapping software bound to excel |
| 01:02.35 | huhlig-winxp | and access |
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| 01:02.37 | nevyn | hrm.. |
| 01:02.46 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, not quite |
| 01:02.51 | huhlig-winxp | thats streets and trips |
| 01:03.00 | alexandre | Flimzy: ok, i go to searching the chipset from may webca, after i go here. |
| 01:03.02 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: like GIS type thing? |
| 01:03.06 | huhlig-winxp | GIS? |
| 01:03.12 | alexandre | thanks for all. |
| 01:03.12 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: I have a copy of MS mappoint 2005 that would beg to differ with you. |
| 01:03.12 | SerajewelKS | directhex, does this look right? http://aquariusoft.org/page/palm/bluetooth_linux/ |
| 01:03.16 | nevyn | Geographic Information System |
| 01:03.18 | alexandre | bye,bye. |
| 01:03.27 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, hmm ok |
| 01:03.41 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, its designed for marketing and map tracking |
| 01:03.50 | huhlig-winxp | its not a directions program(although it will do it) |
| 01:04.05 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: is it map software or not? |
| 01:04.11 | Flimzy | huhlig-winxp: Who says a map program has to provide "directions" in order to be qualified as mapping software? |
| 01:04.16 | directhex | SerajewelKS, not the guide i used, but seems logical |
| 01:04.27 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: so you load a map and can create data points on it and build that into data? |
| 01:04.31 | kawaiikune | hey, does anyone know anything about configuring mods for a wireless card? i have a broadcom bcm94306mp |
| 01:04.35 | SerajewelKS | directhex, okay thanks |
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| 01:04.50 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, yea |
| 01:04.52 | huhlig-winxp | basically |
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| 01:05.02 | asg | kawaiikune: mods? |
| 01:05.04 | huhlig-winxp | its mapping software designed for data building |
| 01:05.10 | huhlig-winxp | rather then direction finding |
| 01:05.12 | kawaiikune | modules... |
| 01:05.25 | SerajewelKS | directhex, it worked! |
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| 01:05.42 | dave_ | Java won't let me start jar files, it throws a nullpointer exception when trying to register fonts. WHat font packages do I need installed? |
| 01:05.45 | kawaiikune | driver might be more accurate....i tried prism54 with no luck |
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| 01:05.50 | asg | kawaiikune: I'd look at ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 01:05.52 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: ok that catagory of software is generally called GIS. |
| 01:05.53 | kawaiikune | thanks |
| 01:05.55 | stew | kawaiikune: last time i looked none of the broadcom chipsets were supported |
| 01:05.58 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, ok |
| 01:06.07 | kawaiikune | great |
| 01:06.09 | stew | kawaiikune: ndiswrapper might work |
| 01:06.24 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: there are a few GIS packages availible for linux but they're probably more technical than you're used to. |
| 01:06.28 | Lo_Meinix | kawaiikune: yeah I've gotten a couple of wireless cards up in linux but, it wasn't pretty. |
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| 01:06.32 | asg | kawaiikune: ndiswrapper works with this BCM4306 card |
| 01:06.38 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, umm... why do you say that |
| 01:06.56 | huhlig-winxp | mobile |
| 01:07.13 | kawaiikune | thanks asg |
| 01:07.19 | asg | kawaiikune: you're welcome |
| 01:07.24 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: which geoid are you using? |
| 01:07.47 | huhlig-winxp | none that im aware of |
| 01:07.52 | huhlig-winxp | I dont have anything yet |
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| 01:08.13 | nevyn | where are you getting your co-ordinates from for locations of things? |
| 01:08.39 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, standard addresses... and a copy of delorme streets and trips currently |
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| 01:08.55 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: that would be MS streets and trips |
| 01:08.56 | r3m | there is a way to take back a file in a directory that i delete with rm -rf |
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| 01:09.07 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: and delorme street atlas |
| 01:09.08 | asg | r3m: restore from backups |
| 01:09.12 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, err no... street atlas rather |
| 01:09.22 | huhlig-winxp | Street Atlas 2005 |
| 01:09.23 | caphuso | r3m: possibly. what filesystem? |
| 01:09.33 | r3m | caphuso ext3 |
| 01:09.37 | caphuso | r3m: forget it |
| 01:09.44 | r3m | ok :( |
| 01:09.54 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: just want to make sure "we're" correct *snicker* |
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| 01:10.02 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: like street addresses? |
| 01:10.05 | r3m | i forgot to move the .conf. 2 hours for config it :( im stupid lol |
| 01:10.07 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, yes |
| 01:10.10 | Rawplayer | in which package is berkeleydb ? |
| 01:10.20 | asg | Rawplayer: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:10.22 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: hrm that's not what I thought you were doing then |
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| 01:10.36 | asg | Rawplayer: and it's libdb* (depending on which version you want) |
| 01:10.38 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: I don't know of anything that deals with that sort of data. |
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| 01:10.59 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, I get service orders with addresses, telephone numbers and I want to find out where the large clientels are coming out of so I can increase coverage in those areas |
| 01:11.01 | Rawplayer | i thought that to |
| 01:11.02 | huhlig-winxp | aim sales in others |
| 01:11.07 | Rawplayer | but it aint working |
| 01:11.08 | huhlig-winxp | mappoint is designed to do that |
| 01:11.11 | asg | Rawplayer: are you compiling something? |
| 01:11.14 | Rawplayer | yes |
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| 01:11.17 | asg | Rawplayer: if so, you need the -dev package |
| 01:11.21 | Rawplayer | i'am compiling squidguard |
| 01:11.25 | Rawplayer | i have installed that already |
| 01:11.36 | dave_ | anyone know why Java can't use my fonts? WHat font packages could I be missing? |
| 01:11.41 | nevyn | huhlig-winxp: you might be stuck with it under wine? |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | java has fonts? |
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| 01:11.52 | stew | Rawplayer: apt-get build-dep squidguard |
| 01:11.58 | huhlig-winxp | I was wondering if there was something besides address->gps and gpsdrive |
| 01:12.02 | dave_ | abrotman: it's attmepting to register some X11 fonts and crashing |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | dave_: #java |
| 01:12.16 | dave_ | abrotman: and that's in the sun library, not the program itself. |
| 01:12.17 | nevyn | gpsdrive? |
| 01:12.21 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, yes |
| 01:12.28 | huhlig-winxp | nevyn, GPS Software |
| 01:12.37 | dave_ | abrotman: can't join #java. THought #debian might know what the standard font packages are that are needed |
| 01:12.40 | nevyn | for actually instructing drivers where to go? |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | dave_: why can't you? |
| 01:13.04 | stew | dave_: you need to be registered with nickserv to join |
| 01:13.05 | dave_ | abrotman: says something about not being an identified user |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | dave_: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:13.16 | stew | dave_: you probably need to edit jdk/jre/lib/font.properties |
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| 01:13.41 | ralf | abrotman: The apt-get dist upgrade worked and My computer is in a functional state again. Thank you. |
| 01:13.50 | jannol | howto screenshot of the whole sliding desktop in enlightenment ? |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | ralf: broken gnome ? |
| 01:13.54 | ralf | yep. |
| 01:13.54 | alexandre | i dont find chipset from my webcam, DSB-C110 at D-LINK, any one using for this? |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:14.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:14.09 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:14.42 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, im a sales/tech manager |
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| 01:14.53 | asg | Lo_Meinix: make money, win awards |
| 01:14.58 | huhlig-winxp | I need to map out clientel for marketing/service upgrade purposes |
| 01:15.25 | piem | huhlig-winxp: where do you live ? |
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| 01:15.33 | nevyn | alexandre: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ov511/cameras.html |
| 01:15.34 | huhlig-winxp | piem california |
| 01:15.36 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: I guess my question is.....what do you need that ANY old mapping software won't do that? |
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| 01:15.48 | mcgrof_ | what's a good ncurses based ncurses reader? |
| 01:15.54 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, something I can plug a openoffice.org database into |
| 01:16.00 | mcgrof_ | I remember I used one once that looked like mutt but I forget its name :( |
| 01:16.03 | asg | mcgrof_: ncurses reader? |
| 01:16.03 | huhlig-winxp | like mappoint can |
| 01:16.05 | mcgrof_ | hey huhlig-winxp ;) |
| 01:16.07 | piem | huhlig-winxp: use the online resources |
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| 01:16.10 | huhlig-winxp | hi mcgrof |
| 01:16.20 | mcgrof_ | asg: ncurses-based reader |
| 01:16.20 | huhlig-winxp | piem, online resources? |
| 01:16.26 | kethinov | can someone help me with xmms? when i try to launch it, i get two odd errors, and it won't run |
| 01:16.28 | asg | mcgrof_: for reading what? |
| 01:16.32 | nevyn | alexandre: the short answer is it looks very NEWly supported. |
| 01:16.33 | mcgrof_ | asg: usnet |
| 01:16.38 | mcgrof_ | asg: bah -- usenet, sorry |
| 01:16.39 | asg | mcgrof_: tin |
| 01:16.42 | jetscreamer | is .mp4 audio or video |
| 01:16.48 | caphuso | mcgrof_: nn or trn |
| 01:17.04 | mcgrof_ | tx { asg caphuso } |
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| 01:17.23 | xam | jetscreamer: mp4 is video |
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| 01:17.25 | piem | huhlig-winxp: there a few dozens of websites with decent maps of this region, pick one that you like |
| 01:17.27 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 01:17.30 | xam | jetscreamer: mp4a is audio |
| 01:17.32 | caphuso | i'd mention slrn too, but that's slang not ncurses... |
| 01:17.43 | Smurg | I hate to say this, but KDE and Gnome are slower than WinXP |
| 01:17.49 | huhlig-winxp | piem, ok... and how does that allow me to integrate with an existing databse of information |
| 01:17.58 | xam | jetscreamer: sorry, I meant 'm4a' is audio |
| 01:18.04 | huhlig-winxp | Smurg, turn off the 3d crap |
| 01:18.04 | nevyn | Smurg: in what way? |
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| 01:18.09 | huhlig-winxp | it will speed up dramatically |
| 01:18.09 | mcgrof_ | caphuso: crap --- that's the one I wanted.. I didn't know it wasn't ncurses. Slang eeh.. hmm |
| 01:18.16 | shingouz | on a fresh custom 2.6.10 configured with the same parameters as my previous working 2.6.9 i get: "hdc: request sense failure: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} hdc: request sense failure: error=0x20 LastFailedSense 0x02" either on boot or when i try to mount the dvd/cd-rw. the atapi driver is statically compiled into the kernel. is this a bad dvd/cd-rw drive, buggy kernel or a misconfiguration? google doesnt seem to give out any r |
| 01:18.17 | shingouz | nformation |
| 01:18.17 | doub | hi there |
| 01:18.21 | nevyn | Smurg: the X server is responcible for most of that. |
| 01:18.24 | SerajewelKS | 192.168.0.0/16 is a private block, right? |
| 01:18.29 | dave_ | yes |
| 01:18.30 | xam | yes |
| 01:18.34 | SerajewelKS | thanks |
| 01:18.37 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: yesish. |
| 01:18.38 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: try googling "map software" "data integration" linux and see what pops up....thats all I can't think of for you. |
| 01:18.41 | Smurg | nevyn : Start up of programs like Open Office takes forever |
| 01:18.46 | jetscreamer | shingouz, that's a smart error message, if that helps any |
| 01:18.52 | jetscreamer | oo sucks |
| 01:18.59 | jetscreamer | well for loading speed |
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| 01:19.04 | asg | Smurg: then use leaner programs |
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| 01:19.09 | Smurg | nevyn : Ive got decent hardware too |
| 01:19.17 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: if you need a /16 it might be better to use something between 172.16.x.x and 172.31.x.x tho |
| 01:19.18 | Smurg | asg : Leaner like? |
| 01:19.19 | alexandre | nevy: I understand, i am seeing this in google. |
| 01:19.30 | asg | Smurg: vi, emacs, abiword |
| 01:19.36 | shingouz | jetscreamer: umm... i'm still noob enough to not know how to solve that one :( |
| 01:19.52 | Smurg | asg: But even stuff like Konsole takes 5-6 seconds to load |
| 01:19.54 | asg | Smurg: some people claim that prelinking oo helps |
| 01:19.56 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: I would think you're going to need to look more towards the marketing market for software to do that and you're probably talking some hefty bucks even if it does run on linux. |
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| 01:20.22 | Smurg | asg : Prelinking ? Whats that? |
| 01:20.37 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.39 | asg | Smurg: ordering library calls to optimize startup or somesuch |
| 01:20.44 | doub | asg: it also makes it crash sometimes |
| 01:20.47 | nevyn | asg: it's more than that. |
| 01:20.50 | asg | Smurg: #debian-oo will know |
| 01:20.57 | asg | nevyn: agreed (hence the somesuch) |
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| 01:21.02 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: that or the real estate industry.....but um....I appraiser real estate and I haven't found anything to do that yet. |
| 01:21.05 | jetscreamer | well shingouz it could be either the hardware or the software, based on what i've seen in the past few days, and beyond my expertise to ts atm |
| 01:21.09 | nevyn | it re-writes the binaries with the address of the library functions removing a lookup |
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| 01:21.13 | asg | doub: *nod* |
| 01:21.31 | alexandre | it seems that it would have that to use kernel 2.6.9 |
| 01:21.59 | nevyn | alexandre: that sentance make sense not. |
| 01:22.03 | shingouz | jetscreamer: that is about what i gathered from google too, something new. better to install another drive on the box and see if it works that way |
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| 01:22.16 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, hmm... as I said... map point does... I just dont want to shell out 300 for it |
| 01:22.20 | Smurg | Ive got 1 gig of RAM but Linux detects only 256! no wonder..How do I set it? |
| 01:22.34 | jetscreamer | shingouz, i've seen both be at fault the past couple days, otherwise i would only say hardware |
| 01:22.44 | bonez39 | I believe my exim4 is broken: telnet localhost 25 shows that it is not running...how might I reinstall exim4 and unbreak it? |
| 01:22.49 | doub | Smurg: is your bios finding it all? |
| 01:23.01 | asg | bonez39: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:23.03 | Smurg | doub : yeah bios says it right |
| 01:23.11 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: why would you have to shell out the money....that sounds like petty cash or a p.o. to get the company to buy it. |
| 01:23.13 | alexandre | nevyn: why not? |
| 01:23.16 | shingouz | jetscreamer: nice to know i am not the only one with the same problem in anycase :) |
| 01:23.22 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, I wish |
| 01:23.27 | huhlig-winxp | Staples is cheap |
| 01:23.31 | doub | Smurg: try setting mem=[quantity] as a kernel parameter then |
| 01:23.31 | asg | bonez39: and check /var/log/exim/* to see why it isn't running |
| 01:23.44 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: then why worry about it? |
| 01:23.57 | polm | I am trying to wrap Esound withing Artsd (for the specific purpose of having the "auto suspend" feautre of ArtsD) . Is this accomplished by running "atrsdsp esd" ? |
| 01:24.09 | huhlig-winxp | Lo_Meinix, cause it means I could stop using the crappy map and pins on the wall |
| 01:24.11 | caphuso | what? |
| 01:24.15 | polm | Does Esound have an auto-suspend feature ? |
| 01:24.19 | caphuso | polm: yes |
| 01:24.20 | bonez39 | asg: is it better to have one large file, or severl smaller files...for the final configuration? |
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| 01:24.39 | asg | bonez39: that's a matter of choice, there is no operational difference. |
| 01:24.42 | alexandre | this what i see |
| 01:24.45 | caphuso | and wrapping one sound server into another is really, really stupid |
| 01:25.01 | mcgrof_ | ok how about a good gui-based usenet reader? |
| 01:25.05 | asg | mcgrof_: pan |
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| 01:25.25 | polm | caphuso: yes, there is auto-suspend support in Esound ? or yes, artsdsp esd is the proper method of wrapping ? |
| 01:25.29 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: yeah well, you know what......if they won't buy it then they don't care about it.....and neither should you....you're just going to beat your head against a wall trying to improve things when they don't want to improve it. |
| 01:25.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search newnet |
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| 01:25.39 | jetscreamer | newsnet even |
| 01:25.39 | caphuso | polm: wrapping esound in arts is STUPID |
| 01:25.49 | polm | caphuso: but I want AutoSuspend. |
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| 01:25.56 | caphuso | polm: so what? |
| 01:26.03 | mcgrof_ | jetscreamer: that doesn't filter out bad software though ;P |
| 01:26.05 | polm | caphuso: can I get that with Esound ? |
| 01:26.12 | caphuso | polm: yes |
| 01:26.13 | balc | im having trouble installing nvidia drivers in sarge, none of the help files i googled seem to help... |
| 01:26.16 | mcgrof_ | hmm we should have rate packages! |
| 01:26.18 | caphuso | it's all in the docs |
| 01:26.22 | mcgrof_ | and sort results based on that ;) |
| 01:26.23 | balc | module-assistant fails |
| 01:26.28 | asdfasdfsadfssad | anyone have suggestions on how to quickly pull out names out of an mbox file ? i have a script that pulls out emails but i want the names too .... |
| 01:26.31 | mcgrof_ | no? |
| 01:26.32 | jetscreamer | !info popularity |
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| 01:26.35 | polm | caphus: oh, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 01:26.38 | Lo_Meinix | huhlig-winxp: thats just my take after having gone through the same thing you're going through....trust me. |
| 01:26.48 | jetscreamer | 19.26.34] <dpkg> Package 'popularity' does not exist. wtf? |
| 01:26.53 | jetscreamer | !info popularity woody |
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| 01:26.58 | asg | jetscreamer: popcon |
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| 01:27.08 | polm | caphuso: is autosuspend in Esound configured with esd.conf ? |
| 01:27.09 | piem | asdfasdfsadfssad, sounds like a good time to get more into regular expression :) |
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| 01:27.16 | asg | jetscreamer: or popularity-contest |
| 01:27.19 | doub | asdfasdfsadfssad: grep 'From: ' maybe? |
| 01:27.20 | caphuso | polm: yes |
| 01:27.21 | jetscreamer | !info popularity-contest |
| 01:27.22 | mcgrof_ | hmm |
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| 01:27.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:27.26 | jetscreamer | nm ooops |
| 01:27.26 | dpkg | popularity-contest: (Vote for your favourite packages automatically), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.26 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 01:27.58 | mcgrof_ | sweet! |
| 01:28.22 | mcgrof_ | I love it when great ideas are already implemented |
| 01:29.21 | citral | xchat is so fucking lame |
| 01:29.21 | polm | caphuso: is there som docs on the esd.conf ? |
| 01:29.25 | citral | bleh |
| 01:29.28 | asg | citral: then use irssi-text |
| 01:29.32 | mcgrof_ | hmm but it seem we don't yet use this to sort out package search results |
| 01:29.35 | caphuso | polm: yes |
| 01:29.35 | jannol | does anyone know howto take a screenshot of the whole sliding desktop in enlightenment ? |
| 01:29.43 | caphuso | surprisingly enough in the esd man page |
| 01:29.45 | citral | asg, I do normally |
| 01:29.58 | asg | mcgrof_: it's used to decide which packages go on which cds at release time |
| 01:30.01 | asg | citral: ;) I know |
| 01:30.50 | citral | asg, stuck with a fuc*ing Winbloze piece of !!///!/"ä##+6t4t4u hf3vjak |
| 01:31.15 | asg | citral: most hated |
| 01:31.20 | citral | XP is worse than I thought |
| 01:31.45 | citral | It's the WORSE OS IN THE WORLD, just after DOS |
| 01:31.52 | jordo23 | Can someone recommend the mp3 player that works best with Debian and KDE? |
| 01:32.00 | asg | citral: dunno, GEOS on the c64 was pretty bad |
| 01:32.17 | asg | jordo23: mpd + mpc + mpg123 + konsole |
| 01:32.17 | citral | I never heard of this one |
| 01:32.20 | stew | jordo23: mpg123 |
| 01:32.27 | citral | mpg321 |
| 01:32.30 | citral | FFS |
| 01:32.37 | asg | citral: 321 is non-free |
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| 01:32.45 | caphuso | asg: no, other way round |
| 01:32.54 | citral | asg you are wrong :9 |
| 01:32.56 | asg | bah |
| 01:32.58 | asg | !moron asg |
| 01:32.59 | dpkg | asg: You are moron #26 |
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| 01:33.10 | mcgrof_ | asg: it'd be come to just get results for packages sorted by popularity too though |
| 01:33.16 | stew | !mpg321 |
| 01:33.16 | dpkg | it has been said that mpg321 is cooler than mpg123 because it isn't non-free |
| 01:33.19 | mcgrof_ | asg: s/come/cool/ |
| 01:33.40 | stew | mcgrof_: popcon.debian.org |
| 01:33.40 | jetscreamer | 123 is the nonfree isn't it? ahh |
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| 01:34.00 | darxeth | why when i type ifconfig it tells me command not found? whats the syntax then? |
| 01:34.10 | jetscreamer | just ifconfig |
| 01:34.25 | citral | darxeth, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:34.26 | jetscreamer | maybe you don't have ifconfig? |
| 01:34.40 | jetscreamer | should be required shouldn't though? |
| 01:34.49 | mcgrof_ | stew: yeah, I saw, but still -- build that into searching |
| 01:34.55 | darxeth | but it have to be installed when installing the system |
| 01:34.58 | citral | darxeth, or just put sbin in your path |
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| 01:35.20 | citral | you didn't read me |
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| 01:35.45 | astronut | is there any way to bruteforce the key for an AES file system? |
| 01:35.56 | astronut | mine won't mount...not sure if it corrupted or i had a typo or what |
| 01:36.02 | jetscreamer | !info net-tools |
| 01:36.04 | astronut | but i can't imagine i got it wrong 20 times in the same way |
| 01:36.07 | dpkg | net-tools: (The NET-3 networking toolkit), section net, is important. Version: 1.60-10 (sid), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
| 01:36.07 | asg | astronut: the NSA? |
| 01:36.19 | citral | astronut, #l77t-crack |
| 01:36.38 | darxeth | citral: yeah thanks it worek. should i lnk it to /etc so i'll just type ifconfig to work? |
| 01:36.44 | astronut | asg: hmm...now to graduate HS, college, grad school, get hired by the NSA, get a job where i hae access to a cray, all very soon, jstu to get back my data |
| 01:36.46 | astronut | grrr |
| 01:36.46 | darxeth | worked* |
| 01:36.50 | astronut | citral: that a joke? |
| 01:36.51 | citral | darxeth, or just put sbin in your path |
| 01:36.51 | asg | citral: hehe, /etc/alternatives/mpg123 -> /usr/bin/mpg321 |
| 01:36.53 | jetscreamer | !path |
| 01:36.53 | dpkg | methinks path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
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| 01:37.03 | jstevens | 'evening all |
| 01:37.07 | darxeth | citral, : how do you mean? |
| 01:37.18 | citral | asg, right :) |
| 01:37.44 | citral | darxeth, man bash |
| 01:37.45 | dli | where to get lm_sensors in kernel? 2.6 ? |
| 01:37.48 | piem | hi jstevens |
| 01:37.49 | darxeth | citral, : as asg did it? |
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| 01:38.12 | jetscreamer | dli i think one thing you need is i2c stuff |
| 01:38.16 | darxeth | citral, : i'm still fresh in using linux, i barely know the commands |
| 01:38.55 | jordo23 | Does anyone know why when I try to install the dependent packages below they say they're not going to be installed? : |
| 01:38.58 | jordo23 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:38.58 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.58 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.59 | jordo23 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 01:39.06 | jannol | darxeth, man man is a great command to start with |
| 01:39.09 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 01:39.09 | dpkg | i guess fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 01:39.12 | dli | ** Packages in archive but missing from override file: ** |
| 01:39.35 | citral | darxeth, that's why I give you some lines... read "man bash" you will know how the command line searches for executables, in what order, and so on |
| 01:39.36 | jetscreamer | why the fuck didn't jordo23 get kicked though |
| 01:39.51 | darxeth | allright |
| 01:39.52 | asg | jetscreamer: his client pasted slower than debhelper's limit |
| 01:39.56 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:40.02 | jordo23 | Why? |
| 01:40.18 | jetscreamer | jordo23, just curious from a technical viewpoint |
| 01:40.25 | jetscreamer | jordo23, it's automatic |
| 01:40.33 | jordo23 | Do you k now a solution for my problem? |
| 01:40.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 01:40.41 | jetscreamer | i told you it |
| 01:40.48 | jordo23 | Which one? |
| 01:40.50 | jetscreamer | or had the bot tell you |
| 01:40.54 | darxeth | is there another man page that explains how to use chain proxies? |
| 01:40.55 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 01:40.55 | dpkg | i heard fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
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| 01:41.00 | jstevens | piem: :-) hey! how's it goin? |
| 01:41.43 | Diablo | ok |
| 01:41.44 | citral | even if I'm not a native speaker, jetscreamer is hurting my grammar |
| 01:41.49 | nicedreams | is there a repository some where for the coaster burning gtk app? |
| 01:41.54 | dli | I want to put my compiled kernel-image in /var/www/ for apt :( how to? |
| 01:41.55 | thenuke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.57 | jetscreamer | i speak texan |
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| 01:42.06 | jordo23 | jetscreamer: what's the entire command? |
| 01:42.06 | abrotman | !yinzersmite jetscreamer |
| 01:42.20 | jetscreamer | jordo23, /lastlog jetscreamer |
| 01:42.25 | Diablo | after i installed apmd yesterday the kernel refuse to boot |
| 01:42.31 | asg | dli: /msg dpkg debian repository |
| 01:42.34 | Diablo | panic unable to mount fs |
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| 01:42.37 | jetscreamer | !tell jordo23 about fix-unmet |
| 01:42.39 | citral | jetscreamer, ah... that explains everything :D |
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| 01:42.55 | Diablo | i managed to boot from a rescue disk |
| 01:42.57 | jetscreamer | Diablo, did you just upgrade kernel from 2.2 to 2.4 or something? |
| 01:42.59 | astronut | citral: that was a joke about the #177t-crackers right? |
| 01:43.03 | jetscreamer | or just install? |
| 01:43.15 | astronut | #leet-crack* |
| 01:43.15 | astronut | w/e |
| 01:43.21 | Diablo | i apt-get install apmd |
| 01:43.42 | citral | astronut, don't ever think I could be serious; Some more anchovies? |
| 01:43.42 | Diablo | he sound like downloaded few kernels to /boot |
| 01:43.47 | jetscreamer | dunno, i purge it and rely on acpi, sorry |
| 01:43.55 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 01:44.02 | jetscreamer | Diablo, eh? |
| 01:44.09 | astronut | citral: dn't like them |
| 01:44.13 | jetscreamer | installing apmd gave you a new kernel? |
| 01:44.21 | Diablo | yeah |
| 01:44.24 | jetscreamer | an upgrade maybe |
| 01:44.27 | Diablo | 5 actually |
| 01:44.32 | citral | astronut, ok, so let's stop RIGHT NOW |
| 01:44.36 | jetscreamer | 5 new kernels... |
| 01:44.41 | Diablo | yeah |
| 01:44.52 | Diablo | there's 5 config |
| 01:44.56 | Diablo | 5 initrd |
| 01:45.03 | astronut | citral: sorry...just really annoyed, lost like 2 years of files |
| 01:45.05 | Diablo | 5 vbmlinuz |
| 01:45.10 | Diablo | in /boot |
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| 01:45.17 | Diablo | so a assume 5 kernels |
| 01:45.17 | jetscreamer | are you sure 4 weren't there before? what kernel were you running? |
| 01:45.29 | Diablo | idepci |
| 01:45.33 | Diablo | 2.2 |
| 01:45.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:45.36 | asg | !idepci |
| 01:45.36 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide (/msg dpkg install guide). Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 01:46.03 | jetscreamer | ok so Diablo what does ls -l /vmlinuz tell you, where does it point? |
| 01:46.10 | Diablo | hang :-) |
| 01:46.10 | jetscreamer | a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:46.29 | dli | asg: strange thing is that I did dpkg-scanpackages, and apt and find one .deb, but couldn't see the other. while only two in Packages.gz |
| 01:47.17 | jetscreamer | and ls -l /initrd.img also Diablo |
| 01:47.29 | Diablo | 2.4.18-1-586tsc |
| 01:47.29 | citral | astronut, uhmmmmmmmmm, that's what backups are made for... every month is less than often you know |
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| 01:47.43 | abrotman | i blame weasel |
| 01:47.54 | astronut | citral: never had a way before...just got a dvd bruner...it's sitting on the table to be installed at next possible chance |
| 01:48.00 | Diablo | but again i booted from a rescue disk |
| 01:48.01 | jetscreamer | Diablo, i ass-u-me you meant /boot/2.4.blah |
| 01:48.50 | jetscreamer | and Diablo how about the /initrd.img .. the version is the same as the /vmlinuz one, right? |
| 01:49.00 | Diablo | is there a link to how to fix it? |
| 01:49.14 | jetscreamer | well if you'll answer me i'll tell you eh |
| 01:49.26 | Diablo | ok |
| 01:49.27 | jetscreamer | initrd.img? |
| 01:49.31 | jetscreamer | got one? |
| 01:49.32 | Diablo | there's 4 |
| 01:49.34 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:49.40 | jetscreamer | ls -l /initrd.img |
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| 01:50.07 | jetscreamer | that symlink should point to /boot/2.4.blah |
| 01:50.15 | jetscreamer | but an initrd |
| 01:50.22 | jetscreamer | same as the vmlinuz one |
| 01:50.25 | citral | astronut, assuming a CD-RW costs as much as what we spend in a saturday fever night, I don't see your point. |
| 01:50.27 | Diablo | 2.4.18-1-586tsc |
| 01:50.56 | Diablo | the box is a simple server |
| 01:50.58 | jetscreamer | ok so you have /initrd.img and /vmlinuz symlinks and they both point at corresponding versions.. good. |
| 01:51.04 | Diablo | does apache and ftp server |
| 01:51.16 | astronut | citral: saturday fever? |
| 01:51.34 | citral | ah ah ah ah staying alive |
| 01:51.39 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/lilo.conf and add initrd=/initrd.img under the portion that says vmlinuz=/vmlinuz then rerun lilo |
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| 01:51.55 | astronut | citral: i'm a kid...i have very little fluid income, nor do i want to spend time swapping 11 gigs worht of CD-RW's (size of /home) |
| 01:52.01 | Diablo | ok |
| 01:52.41 | jetscreamer | image=/vmlinuz |
| 01:52.41 | jetscreamer | # initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:52.45 | citral | astronut, I'm a kid too, and I have 30 G backups on CDs here |
| 01:52.46 | jetscreamer | cept dont' comment it |
| 01:52.52 | robl^ | I used to have a job where we used 5.25" 360K gloppies for backups of servers. :) |
| 01:53.07 | robl^ | floppies, even |
| 01:53.17 | citral | 25 CDs cost about / Euros here |
| 01:53.19 | jetscreamer | i never had a job doing that but i've done that... paper tape, too |
| 01:53.25 | citral | 7 Euros |
| 01:53.34 | citral | My god |
| 01:54.03 | Diablo | so you want me to change image=/vmlinuz to initrd=/initrd.img? |
| 01:54.14 | jetscreamer | no Diablo add the initrd under the vmlinuz |
| 01:54.20 | Diablo | ok |
| 01:54.27 | trunks` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.37 | jetscreamer | then rerun lilo, then reboot |
| 01:54.52 | citral | which one?`web server? |
| 01:54.58 | trunks` | ftp.debian.org |
| 01:55.21 | robl^ | use a mirror |
| 01:55.27 | trunks` | i would but |
| 01:55.37 | trunks` | can i just cancel apt get |
| 01:55.39 | trunks` | rerun tasksel |
| 01:55.45 | trunks` | and have it resume where it left off |
| 01:55.50 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
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| 01:55.59 | trunks` | oh |
| 01:56.00 | trunks` | ok then |
| 01:56.01 | citral | trunks`, of course, just ctrl-c it |
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| 01:56.22 | jetscreamer | sometimes just restarting works, no need to change servers |
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| 01:56.36 | citral | bullshit |
| 01:56.53 | jetscreamer | no, i speak from experience and observation |
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| 01:56.55 | LastLink | "Where do i get this module (it's *should* be for an ATI Radeon 7500)??? "(EE) Failed to load module "rv200" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 01:57.18 | LastLink | I'm obviously very new to Debian |
| 01:57.21 | citral | when connection is established, the speed should go on |
| 01:57.26 | robl^ | citral: he's right.. if you think about it. ftp.debian.org uses round robin DNS to point to muliple boxes. :) |
| 01:57.48 | Diablo | done |
| 01:57.51 | Diablo | reboot? |
| 01:57.54 | citral | robl^, point |
| 01:58.02 | jetscreamer | did you run lilo, Diablo ? |
| 01:58.06 | Diablo | yeah |
| 01:58.11 | jetscreamer | and got no errors eh.. ok reboot |
| 01:58.18 | Diablo | ok |
| 01:58.28 | trunks` | gl hf dd |
| 01:58.50 | gilles | what apt-get option can i run to make my install of gnome complete ? |
| 01:59.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome, if not woody? |
| 01:59.43 | jetscreamer | there is aptitude install --with-suggests i think.. or with-recommends, i forget which they took out |
| 02:00.03 | citral | trunks`, but anyway, it's a better idea to pickup a mirror really near of you than to choose ftp.debian.org, that a lot of beginners are going to choose |
| 02:00.16 | trunks` | yeh |
| 02:00.21 | Diablo | ok |
| 02:00.21 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.ork is cool |
| 02:00.24 | Diablo | booted ok |
| 02:00.29 | Diablo | but kernel 2.2 |
| 02:00.30 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 02:00.34 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 02:01.27 | jetscreamer | Diablo, the lilo.conf points at the symlinks in / ... the symlinks in / point at the initrd and vmlinuz in /boot .... make em match. |
| 02:01.32 | LazloFruvous | does anyone know what package(s) need to be installed on a sarge system to get OpenGL support in wxGTK ? |
| 02:01.43 | jetscreamer | make em point at the one you want |
| 02:01.46 | jetscreamer | and rerun lilo |
| 02:02.10 | jetscreamer | Diablo, 2.2 doesn't use initrd.. 2.4 does (the stock images) |
| 02:02.17 | Diablo | so can i pick up the kernel i want symlinkit and delete the rest ? |
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| 02:02.37 | asg | LazloFruvous: libwxgtk-dev (or apt-cache search opengl gtk) |
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| 02:03.13 | jetscreamer | yeah but you should use apt-get remove --purge or a package manager |
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| 02:04.25 | toresbe | If you burn a CD in TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO mode, can you boot from it, then? |
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| 02:04.29 | toresbe | hah, TAO* |
| 02:04.34 | citral | XCHAT IS SO FUCKING LAME |
| 02:04.43 | toresbe | citral: Irssi! :) |
| 02:04.51 | citral | JUST AS LAME AS WINDOWS |
| 02:04.58 | citral | BOUHOUHOUHOZ |
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| 02:05.15 | caphuso | because it breaks your capslock key? |
| 02:05.34 | citral | SoMeHoW, Yes |
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| 02:06.44 | citral | No real Nick completion, retarded colors and fonts, no standard commands like /window close == bad client |
| 02:07.44 | citral | the best: /quit disconnects you from the server |
| 02:07.54 | caphuso | uhm |
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| 02:08.11 | citral | but you stay in |
| 02:08.20 | |rufius| | !troll |
| 02:08.21 | dpkg | well, troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
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| 02:09.00 | LastLink | Where do i get this module (it's *should* be for an ATI Radeon 7500)??? "(EE) Failed to load module "rv200" (module does not exist, 0)" |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | LastLink: #ati |
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| 02:09.20 | bwalls | hi all, im trying to stop x server but cant, how do i? |
| 02:09.25 | LastLink | Thank-ya! |
| 02:09.30 | bwalls | NOT CTRL ALT BKSPACE |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | !caps |
| 02:09.37 | dpkg | somebody said caps was Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. |
| 02:09.46 | indes | bwalls, go to another console and kill all the processes |
| 02:09.53 | bwalls | how? |
| 02:09.54 | stew | bwalls: do you use a dm? |
| 02:09.56 | bwalls | im a noob |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | bwalls: /etc/init.d/<whiceverdm> stop |
| 02:10.05 | indes | bwalls, alt + ctrl + F2 |
| 02:10.22 | bwalls | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:10.28 | cycom | ahh the virtual consoles. |
| 02:10.39 | bwalls | adios |
| 02:10.52 | cycom | damn. perhaps using this box as a fileserver wasn't such a good plan. It's slower than shit. |
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| 02:10.59 | indes | I wonder if he does run a display manager... |
| 02:11.13 | cycom | maybe I should have a seperate root/storage drive |
| 02:11.36 | Goldfish | I just did an apt-get upgrade, and k3b upgraded. However, with each upgrade, it keeps insisting on upgrading k3b again and again, even thought it is already the lastest version. Anyone else spot this issue with k3b package? |
| 02:11.36 | cycom | thoughts, friends? |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | indes: he thinks he does :) |
| 02:11.45 | Supaplex | What deb package is required for LWP::UserAgent perl scripts? |
| 02:11.50 | indes | abrotman, I guess thats what counts |
| 02:11.59 | abrotman | Supaplex: ask #perl which package it is .. then ask us which file |
| 02:12.03 | caphuso | Supaplex: libwww-perl |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | err |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | that didn't work out .. but oh well .. caphuso knows |
| 02:12.31 | cycom | smbd keeps eating a crapload of CPU. |
| 02:12.32 | stew | Supaplex: apt-cache search LWP::UserAgent |
| 02:12.39 | Supaplex | caphuso: perfect. thanks =) |
| 02:12.54 | Supaplex | stew: yea, did that. only got libcrypt-ssleay-perl ;/ |
| 02:13.06 | caphuso | you have to "apt-file search LWP/UserAgent.pm" to find it |
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| 02:14.03 | Diablo | sorry am bak |
| 02:14.10 | Diablo | i lost the net connectiojn |
| 02:14.17 | Diablo | to the server |
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| 02:15.11 | Diablo | can i apt-get a new kernel ? |
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| 02:15.30 | Diablo | am runing r3 btw |
| 02:15.41 | stew | Diablo: yes, apt-cache search kenrel-image and pick one |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | Diablo: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:15.50 | Diablo | ta |
| 02:16.26 | Diablo | would it fix the problem thouhg? |
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| 02:17.09 | bwalls | ok im back... i need help upgrading my kernel to 2.6 |
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| 02:17.24 | bwalls | 2.6.8* |
| 02:17.29 | huhlig-winxp | apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 02:17.47 | bwalls | that will upgrade everything? |
| 02:17.48 | stew | bwalls: are you on woody or sarge? |
| 02:17.54 | deadcat | bwalls: just do it. |
| 02:17.58 | bwalls | sarge of course |
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| 02:18.21 | bwalls | stew can i PM you? (private message) |
| 02:18.26 | deadcat | sarge is not "of course", sid is |
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| 02:18.37 | bwalls | sid is horrible :) |
| 02:18.44 | stew | bwalls: i'd prefer if you just keep it in the channel |
| 02:18.48 | bwalls | ok cool |
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| 02:18.53 | stew | so everyone can benefit |
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| 02:18.59 | bwalls | so how can i get my kernel to update |
| 02:19.00 | stew | and i can disappear at will |
| 02:19.04 | bwalls | :) |
| 02:19.08 | deadcat | stew: private, hes gonna ask a/g/l |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | bwalls: apt-cache search kernel-image .. pick one |
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| 02:19.36 | stew | bwalls: apt-get install module-init-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-arch |
| 02:19.39 | gberardi | Thunderbird opens Konqueror even though I would prefer Firefox. All solutions I can find involve writing scripts. Isn't there an easier and cleaner way? |
| 02:19.51 | bwalls | i can do it in x right? |
| 02:20.08 | stew | bwalls: sure |
| 02:20.09 | dli | gberardi, apt-get remove konqueror |
| 02:20.11 | hoarycripple | bwalls, this link may help http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 02:20.18 | stew | bwalls: when it starts talking about initrd, you need to pay attention |
| 02:20.26 | bwalls | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-2-arch |
| 02:20.31 | r3v | gberardi: look in prefs.js |
| 02:20.35 | gberardi | dli: do I really have to remove a browser from my system just to get Thunderbird to use a different one? |
| 02:20.38 | stew | bwalls: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, pick one |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | stew: if he installed right from d-i .. no such initrd instructions |
| 02:20.56 | stew | abrotman: if |
| 02:21.02 | dli | gberardi, I don't use thunderbird :( |
| 02:21.03 | stew | abrotman: doesn't hurt to pay attention |
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| 02:21.26 | r3v | gberardi: sorry... /etc/mozilla-thunderbird/global-config.js |
| 02:21.29 | stew | bwalls: arch would be sometihng like i386 or k7 depending on your cpu |
| 02:21.37 | bwalls | im i386 |
| 02:21.50 | dli | abrotman, can make-kpkg generate initrd-img auto? |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | dli: it can .. it's not worth the effort IMO |
| 02:22.10 | manchot | how to give root display right in localhost? |
| 02:22.13 | bwalls | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. so that? |
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| 02:22.42 | manchot | right now I got cannot connect to X server localhost:0.0 |
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| 02:22.48 | gberardi | r3v: Thanks! The first commented out section even refers to firefox! |
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| 02:23.02 | bwalls | ok downloading |
| 02:23.05 | bwalls | thanks man |
| 02:23.06 | stew | bwalls: that will definately work, if you had a p2, p3, p4 you could use 686 alternatively |
| 02:23.17 | dli | abrotman, I don't use initrd now, can I just do "apt-get install kernel-image-" to install a debian precompiled kernel? |
| 02:23.18 | stew | bwalls: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 02:23.19 | bwalls | ive got an AMD 2500+ |
| 02:23.24 | bwalls | lilo |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | dli: yes |
| 02:23.27 | bwalls | pretty sure |
| 02:23.34 | stew | bwalls: then you need to pay attention to initrd |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | k7 |
| 02:23.39 | bwalls | ok cool |
| 02:23.47 | bwalls | when its installing? |
| 02:23.58 | stew | yes |
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| 02:24.07 | bwalls | is it a GUI install or CMD line |
| 02:24.13 | dli | abrotman, oh, that easy, long long ago, when I apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.*, from 2.2 kernel, then, not bootable because of initrd |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | dli: grub or lilo? |
| 02:24.48 | bwalls | crap i use grub lol |
| 02:24.53 | bwalls | how do i find out? |
| 02:24.59 | stew | bwalls: then you shouldn't need to worry about initrd |
| 02:25.23 | dli | abrotman, lilo, at that time, and after that I always compile my kernel |
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| 02:25.31 | bwalls | im 99.9% sure i use grub |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | dli: you realize you had a problem because you failed to follow instructions ? |
| 02:25.42 | bwalls | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . |
| 02:25.43 | bwalls | Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst . |
| 02:25.43 | bwalls | Searching for splash image... none found, skipping... |
| 02:25.43 | bwalls | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 02:25.55 | abrotman | bwalls: don't damn flood |
| 02:26.05 | bwalls | sry |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | it's spelled sorry |
| 02:26.15 | citral | too late |
| 02:26.18 | bwalls | ok so now my kernel is updated? |
| 02:26.20 | dli | abrotman, I got some help here, and with a lengthy list, like "mkcramfs", don't like that way, not for newbies |
| 02:26.24 | stew | bwalls: yeah |
| 02:26.41 | abrotman | dli: i meant with the debian kernel . |
| 02:26.42 | bwalls | so now i restart? |
| 02:27.01 | bwalls | and notice difference? |
| 02:27.03 | bwalls | :) |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | dli: anyways .. if you're going to a debian kernel now .. you still need to make sure your initrd is setup right |
| 02:27.09 | dli | abrotman, yeah, I tried, with "mkcramfs", and I can apt-get install kernel-image- from debian |
| 02:27.14 | stew | you reboot and hopefully don't notice a difference |
| 02:27.24 | bwalls | stew: do u have to restart? |
| 02:27.27 | bwalls | ok cool lol |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:27.30 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:27.38 | Diablo | ok |
| 02:27.38 | bwalls | !lol |
| 02:27.38 | dpkg | i heard lol is Loser On Line, good work bwalls, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 02:27.48 | bwalls | thanks man |
| 02:27.49 | dli | abrotman, the problem is that, I want something as simple as apt, not mkcramfs, even after I did once, still couldn't do it myself |
| 02:27.52 | bwalls | c yall |
| 02:27.57 | Diablo | do i run lilo after the kernel install ? |
| 02:28.16 | Diablo | i already edited kernel-conf lilo.conf |
| 02:28.23 | dli | Diablo, I always run "lilo -v" |
| 02:28.28 | Diablo | ok |
| 02:28.40 | abrotman | dli: are you running lilo or grub? |
| 02:28.48 | dli | abrotman, right now, running grub |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | dli: just make sure that grub knows where your initrd image is *before* you reboot |
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| 02:29.34 | dli | abrotman, one question, "lilo -v" shows the default entry. "upgrade-grub" doesn't, how to check in grub? by command, not in menu.lst |
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| 02:30.00 | abrotman | dli: it damn well should be |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | dli: run `update-grub` and `grub-install` |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | dli: but if after `update-grub` you don't see it . .there's a problem |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | dli: which kernel did you install? |
| 02:30.46 | dli | abrotman, I thought "update-grub" is a way to skip grub-install" |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | dli: not that i'm aware |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | dli: i just started using grub .. so i'm not all up on it |
| 02:31.11 | dli | abrotman, I see it in the list, but not saying which one is the default |
| 02:31.22 | dli | Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.7 |
| 02:31.22 | dli | Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.4.26-om1 |
| 02:31.42 | Diablo | not good |
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| 02:31.50 | abrotman | dli: grep default /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:31.52 | Diablo | it keep loading the 2.2 kernel:-( |
| 02:32.00 | dli | abrotman, here, I know 2.4.26-om1 is the default, but update-grub doesn't show it |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | dli: should say like .. default 0 or 2 or something |
| 02:32.23 | dli | abrotman, I know in menu.list, but anything works like "lilo -v" ? |
| 02:32.36 | abrotman | dli: not that i'm aware .. you could ask #grub real quick |
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| 02:33.01 | bwalls | Stew: THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH :):):) |
| 02:33.04 | dli | abrotman, because it's a cluster, maybe, I should switch to lilo |
| 02:33.16 | abrotman | dli: i wouldn't |
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| 02:33.39 | restrex | how can I put that render of fonts on Debian: http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png I tried dfontmgr, dpkg-reconfigure fontcinfig, etc.. but I can't get that render style on my debian box :( |
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| 02:34.10 | dli | abrotman, okay, I can do a for loop with "update-grub;grep default /boot/grub/menu.lst" |
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| 02:34.15 | abrotman | restrex: hoary is not debian |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | dli: huh? |
| 02:34.40 | chugga | morning abrotman |
| 02:34.42 | restrex | abrotman yes I know friend :) |
| 02:34.44 | hoarycripple | hoary is hoarycripple |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | chugga: what do you want? |
| 02:34.52 | restrex | oops |
| 02:35.01 | dli | abrotman, it's a cluster, so, I need to verify it boots the correct kernel on each node |
| 02:35.01 | restrex | fedora too have that style on his fonts |
| 02:35.02 | restrex | :) |
| 02:35.03 | chugga | abrotman, uh, nothing man. just greeting you geez :P |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | chugga: are you back to troll some more? |
| 02:35.25 | chugga | abrotman, nope, i want to give back |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | please .. don't |
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| 02:35.42 | chugga | ok :( |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | chugga: watch and learn .. best thing you can do |
| 02:36.05 | abrotman | restrex: what's wrong with your fonts ? |
| 02:36.35 | restrex | I wanna get that style for my fonts on debian abrotman :/ |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | what style? |
| 02:37.00 | restrex | somebody said me dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig.. |
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| 02:37.04 | restrex | the 'render' |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | wtf is the render? |
| 02:37.14 | restrex | it's like a fedora render |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | the anti-alias crap ? |
| 02:37.18 | restrex | yea |
| 02:37.20 | restrex | :) |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | restrex: you need to learn what you want before we can tell you how to fix it |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | !antialias |
| 02:37.30 | dpkg | antialias is probably smaller than a breadbox, and feels all fuzzy on the edges, or install anti-aliasing-howto |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | !anti-alias |
| 02:37.34 | dpkg | well, anti-alias is a technique employed to smooth the "stair-stepped" appearance of pixel graphics that include curved or diagonal lines |
| 02:37.36 | restrex | YEAs |
| 02:37.38 | restrex | i know |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | restrex: and that's all i know |
| 02:37.45 | restrex | NOOO |
| 02:37.50 | Tman | why does debian use ext2?? |
| 02:37.52 | restrex | I think that's not an antialias |
| 02:37.58 | restrex | I think is another thing... |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | restrex: sorry .. not something i'm realy after |
| 02:38.11 | dli | Tman: you can choose reiser in sarge |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | restrex: i just read the crap .. doesn't have to be pretty for me |
| 02:38.21 | Tman | sarge..? |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | Tman: woody also has ext3 |
| 02:38.39 | restrex | abrotman you dont understand me :( i'm crying |
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| 02:38.45 | dli | Tman: debian uses ext2, but not ext2 only |
| 02:38.48 | Tman | I got woody |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | restrex: no .. really i don't .. |
| 02:39.04 | aryeh | i'm trying to connect a windows xp client to a samba pdc and keep getting a acess denied error |
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| 02:39.07 | dli | Tman: what do you want? |
| 02:39.09 | Tman | I don't see an option for ext3.. it says to choose a partition for ext2.. |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | restrex: what if you had #debian-es help you explain it? |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | !ext2->ext3 |
| 02:39.20 | jasz | argh.. why are my gnome apps using this bigger font all of a sudden? |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | !tell Tman about ext2->ext3 |
| 02:39.28 | Diablo | so any more ideas?:-( |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | Tman: is this for a workstation ? |
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| 02:40.03 | Tman | abrotman: light LAN/some WAN server |
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| 02:40.04 | mith | Tman: he means tune2fs -j /device |
| 02:40.10 | Tman | abrotman: thx for the info |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 02:40.26 | abrotman | Tman: anyways .. install it as ext2 .. then upgrade to ext3 |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | or convert |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | dunno if it's really an upgrade |
| 02:40.42 | Tman | kk thx |
| 02:40.51 | restrex | abrotman |
| 02:40.54 | restrex | fuck you |
| 02:40.55 | restrex | :) |
| 02:40.55 | dli | abrotman, tweaking |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | restrex: why? |
| 02:41.06 | restrex | it is a option that isn't compiled on debian |
| 02:41.06 | restrex | :) |
| 02:41.14 | restrex | I have to recompile |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | restrex: well .. how the fuck am i to know asshole ? |
| 02:41.21 | mith | what |
| 02:41.22 | restrex | mmm |
| 02:41.24 | restrex | abrotman |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | don't curse at me |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | i don't use that shit .. |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | it's for windows people |
| 02:41.41 | restrex | jajaj |
| 02:41.42 | zarchne | Someone running sarge or sid and zsh: start a new zsh and type "kill -s" (no arg to the -s). Does it segfault like it does in woody? |
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| 02:41.52 | restrex | abrotman |
| 02:41.56 | mith | abrotman: what the hell is he talking about? |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | restrex: and you should really ask #ubuntu |
| 02:41.58 | restrex | daniel stone uses that shit |
| 02:41.59 | restrex | :) |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | mith: i'm not fucking sure |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | restrex: good .. ask him |
| 02:42.14 | mith | restrex: stop hitting enter. It is punctuation. |
| 02:42.15 | restrex | oh ok |
| 02:42.21 | dondelelcaro | restrex: you can already enable it using fontconfig. There's nothing magical about it. |
| 02:42.23 | restrex | mith you're wrong :) |
| 02:42.24 | mith | err It is not punctuation |
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| 02:42.32 | restrex | dondelelcaro I enabled it |
| 02:42.33 | restrex | :) |
| 02:42.41 | restrex | I reconfigured it |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | see .. then why are you yelling at me butthead |
| 02:42.43 | dondelelcaro | restrex: then there you go. Lay off the enter key while you're at it. |
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| 02:43.03 | dli | zarchne, kill: -s: argument expected |
| 02:43.07 | aryeh | I am trying to connect a windows xp box to a samba pdc and i keep geting an access denied error |
| 02:43.20 | dondelelcaro | dli: you need to provide a pid to kill |
| 02:43.21 | zarchne | dli: thanks. I won't bother to file a bug, then. |
| 02:43.21 | mith | aryeh: so look at your longs and fix it. |
| 02:43.25 | restrex | Don Armstrong??? you helped me at apache gallery, thanks guy ;) |
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| 02:43.28 | mith | s/longs/logs/ |
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| 02:43.30 | ncsu | hi |
| 02:43.34 | jasz | how do i set the font (and font size) of gtk2 (gnome) applications? (they now appear huge) |
| 02:43.36 | mith | I just can't spell tonight. |
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| 02:43.39 | jazzanova | hi |
| 02:43.44 | dli | dondelelcaro, not my problem, zarchne's |
| 02:43.46 | zarchne | dondelelcaro: no, -s requires a signal name. |
| 02:43.53 | jazzanova | whats a command line caculator that is comfortable to use ? |
| 02:44.00 | zarchne | dondelelcaro: but causes zsh to segfault in woody. |
| 02:44.02 | aryeh | which logs |
| 02:44.15 | ncsu | something happened with gnome and now i have no desktop switcher windows open toolbar, is there a gnome log or something that might give me a clue why |
| 02:44.15 | dondelelcaro | zarchne: it needs a signal and a pid... |
| 02:44.16 | jazzanova | calculator |
| 02:44.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you hosting your gallery with sid right? |
| 02:44.24 | mith | zarchne: sounds like you have some shitty hardware |
| 02:44.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: testing, actually |
| 02:44.32 | dli | zarchne, woody sounds not as stable as sarge any more |
| 02:44.33 | deadcat | o |
| 02:44.43 | Tman | okay if I want to do netinst with woody, I choose NOT to install anything from the CD (it calls it a manual install)? |
| 02:44.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but if you're being hit with the libimlib2 bug, I have a .deb that fixes it here |
| 02:45.00 | mith | Tman: no, you set your source to http instead of the cd. |
| 02:45.10 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #293815 |
| 02:45.11 | Tman | k |
| 02:45.11 | zarchne | dondelelcaro, it should not segfault. mith: could be the hardware, but I reproduced it on a totally different box. |
| 02:45.14 | dpkg | #293815:S[libimlib2] libimlib2 version 1.2.0 breaks libimage-imlib2-perl (patch) |
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| 02:45.34 | dondelelcaro | zarchne: clearly. Build a version of zsh with -O0 -g; and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" |
| 02:45.35 | mith | zarchne: then report it as a bug. |
| 02:45.53 | dondelelcaro | zarchne: then turn on coredumps, and get the resultant core. [kill may be a builtin in zsh.. don't remember.] |
| 02:45.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. thats the packages thats not loading my images. |
| 02:45.57 | zarchne | If it's fixed in sarge, I don't care. |
| 02:46.08 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 02:46.23 | mith | zarchne: then why didn't you just install sarge? |
| 02:46.24 | dippo_ | anyone ever run into this before? |
| 02:46.25 | dippo_ | [drm:mga_unlock] *ERROR* Process 3066 using kernel context 0 |
| 02:46.26 | Charms | Can anyone help me out wiht my linux problem? I have a Diamond Stealth II S220 (verite 2100 chipset) on a sarge machine, and whenever i try to run any graphical games, the screen freezes up andi have to reboot. Also, xfce4 crashes often too. I had to install xserver version 3.x to get it to run at all. any advice? |
| 02:46.32 | dippo_ | my PC is freezing hard every once in a while |
| 02:46.34 | dippo_ | not sure if it's related |
| 02:46.35 | manchot | how to start another xserver under localhost? |
| 02:46.42 | manchot | startx 0-1? |
| 02:46.47 | manchot | something like that? |
| 02:46.49 | zarchne | mith: I just will avoid typing kill -s without args until I get to that. |
| 02:46.57 | dondelelcaro | manchot: give X another vt... however, that may not work too well. |
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| 02:47.19 | mith | zarchne: why didn't you just install sarge to begin with? The new installer is much better than the woody installer. |
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| 02:47.50 | zarchne | mith: this was orginially a potato box 3 years ago. |
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| 02:48.17 | zarchne | mith: like my servers I reproduced it on. |
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| 02:48.19 | mith | zarchne: and you're JUST NOW finding out kill -s crashes your shell? |
| 02:48.20 | dli | mith: with the sarge installer, maybe I typed one more "Enter", and it chose -k7 kernel for me, then, not bootable |
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| 02:48.35 | manchot | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 02:48.41 | manchot | which command? |
| 02:48.45 | mith | dli: what |
| 02:48.48 | zarchne | mith: it's incorrect input. I meant "kill -l" |
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| 02:49.08 | zarchne | mith: it's a totally minor bug. |
| 02:49.21 | mith | dli: so the installer sucks because you don't have good motor control? |
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| 02:49.58 | dli | mith: right, it should clear all input buffer, before taking critical choices |
| 02:50.16 | Charms | Really frustratiing to be unable to do anything remotely graphical in debian =/ |
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| 02:50.38 | mith | dli: last I checked there's a back button everywhere |
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| 02:50.40 | dondelelcaro | manchot: startx -- :1 vt10; or similar |
| 02:50.45 | zarchne | Now, speaking of bad hardware, I'm getting illegal instruction errors when trying to access my USB devices. Seems to have started when I upgraded my monitor. |
| 02:50.50 | common | maybe debian should take care of these quite small group of people and increase the timeintervall for pushing a button to 2 minutes |
| 02:50.51 | dondelelcaro | manchot: however, that may or may not work. |
| 02:50.53 | mith | dli: stop holding your enter key down for 30 seconds at a time. |
| 02:51.04 | dli | zarchne, still illegal input is the source for security breaches |
| 02:51.27 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: anyway, if you want that .deb, let me know. |
| 02:51.37 | mith | security breeches in the INSTALLER? and enter isn't illegal input. |
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| 02:51.49 | dli | mith: anyway, hope a real GUI installer would be more error-proof |
| 02:51.57 | jasz | how do i set the font (and font size) of gtk2 (gnome) applications? (they now appear huge) |
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| 02:52.27 | dli | mith: I mean security problem for the the zsh segfault |
| 02:52.41 | common | dli if you are unable to press enter without leaving the button, i recommend using gameboy color |
| 02:53.07 | mith | dli: I don't see how a gui installer does anything but make things prettier and require a mouse and a monitor |
| 02:53.52 | dli | mith: just a GUI-able, not GUI-only |
| 02:54.01 | common | but then there are many other problems, mousespeed and mousewheels have to be supported |
| 02:54.22 | mustachio | when I'm installing a stable net install its saying that the bash_2.05a-11_i386.deb file was corrupt, is it the media or the download site? what should I do? |
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| 02:54.28 | mith | dli: I gui installer doesn't solve your problem of hitting enter over and over again, it can still happen in with a pretty interface. Learn how to type and stop blaming your software for doing what you tell it to. |
| 02:54.33 | mith | s/: I/: a/ |
| 02:55.20 | dli | mith: still clear buffered input for readin is a standard |
| 02:56.00 | common | mjith do you get his idea of fixing is level8 error? |
| 02:56.01 | samlander | how do i configure my dvd-burner to use ide-scsi? |
| 02:56.15 | dli | samlander, try k3b |
| 02:56.21 | common | samlander: google linux 2.6 cd burn howto |
| 02:56.26 | samlander | dli: is a vmware issue |
| 02:56.34 | common | k3b wont install scsi emu |
| 02:56.45 | mith | dli: really? I'm pretty sure solaris' installer will behave the same way, and I know freebsd's will, so it would seem that the standard is to not do so .... |
| 02:56.47 | samlander | it says i have set the host os to use ide-scsi for my drive |
| 02:56.57 | samlander | host os is of course deb, so i thought i would try here first |
| 02:57.00 | mith | dli: slackware's will too. |
| 02:57.15 | samlander | su |
| 02:57.18 | mith | dli: so no, it's not a standard, you're a tard that needs to stop hitting enter. |
| 02:57.20 | samlander | oops ~:) |
| 02:57.24 | common | mith: as far as i know all use the same dialog interface? |
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| 02:57.33 | mith | common: that was my point. |
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| 02:57.52 | Omega11 | debian linux sucks compared to windows xp |
| 02:57.55 | samlander | do i just need to modprobe (or edit /etc/modules) to include ide-scsi? |
| 02:58.11 | TheBeast | why doesn't unstable have perl 5.8.6 ? this version has been released some time ago, and sid still uses 5.8.4 |
| 02:58.12 | common | samlander: http://www.pl-forum.de/t_hardware/brenner.html |
| 02:58.19 | common | its in german but you will get the idea |
| 02:58.22 | samlander | ty common |
| 02:58.37 | stew | samlander: what does uname -r say? |
| 02:58.53 | samlander | im using 2.6.8-smp |
| 02:59.12 | stew | samlander: 2.6 doens't need scsi emulation |
| 02:59.17 | mith | first, upgrade, second, ya that |
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| 02:59.28 | dli | mith: it's likely many n00bs would reinstall because they didn't realize they hit enter more than once, while don't know how many experts can benefit from this behavior |
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| 02:59.35 | samlander | stew: not for k3b perhaps, however i am trying to get my burner to work with vmware for my windows emu |
| 02:59.53 | samlander | stew: vmware says i need to configure the host os |
| 03:00.03 | stew | !vmware support |
| 03:00.18 | common | mith: 1:7 he took some drugs an flashes about dialog based installers now, you take the bet? |
| 03:00.23 | stew | !vmware support is for vmware support go to http://vmware.com/support |
| 03:00.23 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 03:00.29 | samuel | just a quick question: if i do a chmod it wont chmod the files under symlinks right? |
| 03:00.38 | mith | dli: no, hitting enter repeatedly when unnecesary is like automatically clicking yes on everything in a gui, a gui does not solve your problem, fine tuning your motor skills does. |
| 03:00.50 | Omega11 | l |
| 03:00.53 | Omega11 | i |
| 03:00.54 | samuel | if the chmod is -R ? |
| 03:00.54 | Omega11 | n |
| 03:00.54 | Omega11 | u |
| 03:00.55 | Omega11 | x |
| 03:00.55 | Omega11 | s |
| 03:00.56 | Omega11 | u |
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| 03:01.02 | Omega11 | linux |
| 03:01.03 | Omega11 | sucks |
| 03:01.04 | Omega11 | ass |
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| 03:01.11 | mith | good to know |
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| 03:01.12 | common | your mother does too |
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| 03:01.19 | samuel | hahaha |
| 03:01.21 | samlander | lol |
| 03:01.43 | caphuso | sorry for the delay, had to finish rolling my cigarette |
| 03:01.55 | arango | Is there a way to print device info about a usb wifi interface ? |
| 03:01.55 | stew | priorities... |
| 03:02.11 | common | arango: /proc/bus/usb/* |
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| 03:02.24 | stew | arango: iwconfig |
| 03:02.31 | stew | arango: ifconfig |
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| 03:02.59 | arango | I mean low level stuff, ala lspci, I want to see if Linux sees the interface |
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| 03:03.07 | arango | I don't have drivers for it yet |
| 03:03.09 | stew | arango: what common said |
| 03:03.13 | eleven | hi |
| 03:03.21 | stew | arango: lsusb |
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| 03:03.40 | eleven | was wondering if i could get some help here |
| 03:03.41 | common | btw |
| 03:03.49 | common | i highly recommend using xxms2 |
| 03:03.51 | stew | eleven: generally not unless you ask a question |
| 03:03.56 | common | best audio player ever |
| 03:04.04 | stew | common: nah, cplay |
| 03:04.16 | eleven | sorry, just trying to be polite |
| 03:04.17 | zarchne | eleven, yeah, it's pretty brutal here. |
| 03:04.19 | common | no real gui but sql databsebackend |
| 03:04.21 | mith | I'll stick with xbmc thanks |
| 03:04.26 | ^c | mpg321 is da best |
| 03:04.41 | common | xmms2 mlib searchadd "artist='Pink Floyd'" |
| 03:04.42 | eleven | im trying to install fedora or mandrake, everytime i try to boot, my pc just restarts... |
| 03:04.46 | samuel | just a quick question: if i do a chmod -R to a directory with symlinks it wont chmod the files under symlinks right? |
| 03:05.01 | common | kicks ass |
| 03:05.05 | SilentBob | Where can I download the kernel source for debian sarge 2.4*? |
| 03:05.10 | mith | common: I hit play on the remote, I win. |
| 03:05.12 | SilentBob | I'm assuming the latest. |
| 03:05.18 | stew | eleven: wrong channel |
| 03:05.20 | SilentBob | I got the devel installer from dpkg |
| 03:05.23 | zarchne | eleven: also, the question should involve debian somehow... |
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| 03:05.47 | eleven | ok, fuck you , thanks |
| 03:05.55 | stew | !customer |
| 03:05.55 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:06.07 | common | !elvis |
| 03:06.08 | dpkg | i guess elvis is king, or an editor, or dead, or elvis lives |
| 03:06.20 | mith | !start an editor war |
| 03:06.24 | mith | damn it |
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| 03:06.36 | arango | stew: Can I make it print human-readable stuff like manufacturer, chipset or model ? |
| 03:06.37 | mith | ~start an editor war |
| 03:06.38 | apt | zile doesn't deserve to be in BSD |
| 03:07.05 | common | arango | hexdump -C |
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| 03:07.28 | jbalz | so, i just got debian all installed, used tasksel to install xwindow and the desktop piece, I wanted to use KDE, that's all installed and working right, but everytime i load KDE the mouse/keyboard stop functioning. ideas? |
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| 03:07.40 | abrocadabro | hi, does any one know the farmat of the access.log in squid 2.4 stable6? or how can i find out |
| 03:08.01 | mith | umm, look at it |
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| 03:08.49 | jbalz | i was reading that it could be messed up in the XF86Config file, but I checked that out, everything looks fine there |
| 03:08.50 | abrocadabro | yesss, i did, don't konw which filed says the bytes |
| 03:08.56 | stew | arango: lsusb -v probably |
| 03:09.07 | zarchne | abrocadabro: did you look in /usr/share/doc/squid |
| 03:09.23 | stew | arango: and cat /proc/bus/usb/* shoudl have some human readable stuff |
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| 03:10.44 | zarchne | abrocadabro: squid FAQ 6.6 access.log |
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| 03:11.14 | _joey_ | Has anyone installed j2ee 1.4 on Debian ? |
| 03:11.21 | mith | where's the documentation for automating d-i? |
| 03:11.41 | TerryMathews | I have a question WRT a Woody install and upgrading the kernel. Should I talk to someone privately or here in-channel? |
| 03:11.42 | mith | _joey_: absolutely not! You are the first to attempt such a thing. |
| 03:11.48 | sussudio | !fai |
| 03:11.48 | dpkg | methinks fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
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| 03:12.41 | mith | The first version of FAI for Solaris is available. |
| 03:12.48 | chealer | I have libc6-i686 installed, but it's showed by deborphan as orphan, is this normal? what exactly uses this? it's use is automatic, right? |
| 03:12.49 | zarchne | TerryMathews: in channel is preferre |
| 03:12.51 | _joey_ | mith: I am not the first not to notice that debian attracts so many #&$%^$*& such as yourself |
| 03:13.03 | sussudio | !mith _joey_ |
| 03:13.07 | mith | the hell is this crap? That's what jumpstart is for ... |
| 03:13.13 | _joey_ | Has anyone installed j2ee 1.4 on debian? |
| 03:13.22 | TerryMathews | gotcha. My question is this: I installed Woody using the provided kerenl (2.2.20). Will installing a 2.4-series kernel break everything due to /devfs? |
| 03:13.35 | zarchne | TerryMathews: no |
| 03:13.43 | TerryMathews | Oh yeah, this is a pmac system if it makes a difference |
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| 03:14.00 | sussudio | !tell _joey_ about repeating |
| 03:14.04 | sussudio | !tell _joey_ about ask |
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| 03:14.25 | stew | _joey_: /msg dpkg java |
| 03:14.33 | TerryMathews | zarachne: do I need to do something special or will it just "work"? I know that devfs is vastly different than the old node-based system |
| 03:14.40 | zarchne | TerryMathews: oh... well, I use 2.4 on i386 precompiled (mostly self-compiled, though) and have never used devfs. |
| 03:14.40 | stew | _joey_: or install java or get blackdown |
| 03:14.47 | _joey_ | TerryMathews I think both stable and testing versions are using makedev script |
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| 03:15.03 | _joey_ | stew why are you telling about blackdown? |
| 03:15.19 | _joey_ | I asked a question about j2ee, a question for those who have installed it |
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| 03:15.25 | honeydew | anyone up? |
| 03:15.29 | honeydew | Im use to using linux.. |
| 03:15.33 | jbalz | all kinds of us are up |
| 03:15.46 | honeydew | and the dhcpcd command to connect to my router. |
| 03:15.49 | TerryMathews | So then I should compile a kernel _without_ devfs support |
| 03:15.50 | TerryMathews | ? |
| 03:15.54 | honeydew | what does debian use |
| 03:15.56 | sussudio | !tell _joey_ about polls |
| 03:16.05 | stew | _joey_: the answer to your question is yes |
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| 03:16.22 | _joey_ | :)) |
| 03:16.24 | robink | Argh, for some reason when I build a kernel with make-kpkg I get a bunch of 'unresolved dependency' errors and nothing seems able to use UNIX sockets |
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| 03:16.37 | jbalz | honeydew: sorry, i'm new to debian as well, i don't know what it uses |
| 03:16.45 | honeydew | no worries. |
| 03:16.50 | honeydew | how did you get online |
| 03:16.50 | honeydew | ? |
| 03:16.54 | honeydew | =P |
| 03:16.55 | zarchne | TerryMathews: you shouldn't have to compile your own. |
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| 03:17.12 | jbalz | honeydew: i'm not on the debian box.. but yeah, it is online too.. lemme see what it uses.. hang on |
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| 03:17.33 | honeydew | thanks |
| 03:17.39 | TerryMathews | zarchne: I want to "roll my own". I've just never done pmac on debian before. |
| 03:17.44 | zarchne | TerryMathews: worst case, you should be able to just back out. |
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| 03:18.32 | zarchne | TerryMathews: Cool, go for it. Are you doing that already, and not having a choice whether you want devfs or not? |
| 03:18.36 | TerryMathews | zarchne: all the kernels available assume a more user-interactive environment than I'm going for - it's a mail server. |
| 03:18.49 | jbalz | honeydew: dhclient |
| 03:18.55 | TerryMathews | zarchne: I'm just now rsyncing the 2.4 tree from penguinppc.org |
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| 03:19.15 | honeydew | *trying* |
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| 03:19.33 | honeydew | hrmm... |
| 03:19.49 | jbalz | honeydew: you have to put eth0 or whatever behind it |
| 03:19.51 | stew | TerryMathews: in what way do they assume a user-interactive environment? |
| 03:19.56 | jbalz | might just man dhclient |
| 03:20.05 | mith | sussudio: doesn't d-i have a method for doing something similar to this directly? I understand how to network boot my machines and already am able to install various versions of windows, redhat/fedora, and freebsd, I don't think fai is what I'm looking for at all and seems like reinventing the wheel for no reason |
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| 03:20.17 | jbalz | course.. it's not much help.. ;) |
| 03:20.20 | kreyszig | I've compiled and installed the last version of XFree from source and I would like to install some apps using apt-get. I've put the following lines in /etc/apt/preferences: |
| 03:20.26 | kreyszig | Package: xfree86-common |
| 03:20.33 | kreyszig | pinkie: release a=stable |
| 03:20.34 | honeydew | hrmm |
| 03:20.43 | kreyszig | Pin-Priority: -10 |
| 03:20.46 | TerryMathews | stew: graphics drivers, sound, USB, floppy, CDROM. It's all extraneous. I just want a lightweight system for running postfix+spamassassin+uw_imap |
| 03:20.47 | jbalz | honeydew: what's the problem? |
| 03:20.49 | honeydew | Im using libranet |
| 03:20.52 | kreyszig | However, when I try apt-get install xterm, it still try to install xfree86-common. Why exactly? |
| 03:20.54 | honeydew | mabey they use something else.. |
| 03:20.57 | kreyszig | What am I doing wrong? |
| 03:21.05 | honeydew | any other comman dhcp clients come to mind |
| 03:21.06 | honeydew | ? |
| 03:21.17 | jbalz | no.. |
| 03:21.17 | stew | TerryMathews: kernel modules that don't ever get loaded don't affect a running system though |
| 03:21.20 | TerryMathews | stew: plus, if I get it down to a specific configuration, I can eliminate module support and shave some more ram off. |
| 03:21.36 | jbalz | those are the only ones i've ever seen in Linux |
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| 03:21.44 | jbalz | i'm not really a linux guy, more of a fbsd guy.. |
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| 03:21.56 | Charms | Can anyone please help me? My machine is destroyed. I went to upgrade from kernel version 2.4 to 2.6 after upgrading from woody to sarge, and now my machine can't mount any of my drives, and fails at loading any daemons or anything during boot.. andi have to go into maintanence.. /usr is on an unmountable partition, so i can't even use a damn text editor.. lilo is not configured to give me boot parameters.. loading linux-old causes a kerne |
| 03:21.59 | jbalz | just needed a desktop to do xwindows stuff on.. so installed debian |
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| 03:22.00 | Charms | Am I officially screwed? |
| 03:22.04 | jbalz | now it's not working.. :) |
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| 03:22.06 | Luisa | it |
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| 03:22.37 | starfish | does any one know of a linux emulator for windows? |
| 03:22.38 | Diablo | ok got the 2.4 kernel working but i guess it doesn't have the 3com driver built in ? |
| 03:22.43 | jbalz | honeydew: you very familiar with xwin? |
| 03:22.54 | Diablo | cause when i boot from the rescue disk the eth0 load |
| 03:22.57 | notchris | evening all, is there an amd64 cd image on debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org that actually WORKS ? I'm a little frustrated after 3 coasters .. mostly network card issues |
| 03:23.22 | stew | Charms: linux-old probably doesn't have a initrd entry in the bootloaded, boot from a boot cd/floppy and fix that. did you compile the new kernel yourself? |
| 03:23.33 | honeydew | nah.. |
| 03:23.40 | honeydew | jabalz: nah |
| 03:23.43 | Charms | stew: I typed apt-get install kernel-image-2.8.6-2-i386... |
| 03:23.44 | jbalz | yeah, me too |
| 03:23.49 | Charms | stew: I think thats a no..? |
| 03:23.59 | jbalz | weird.. keyboard/mouse works fine in the CLI, go into xwin.. they stop working |
| 03:24.00 | jbalz | :( |
| 03:24.01 | starfish | i have a friend that wants to try sarge but doesnt want put another HD in his brand new pc |
| 03:24.11 | honeydew | is xwin... the xwindows system? |
| 03:24.11 | Charms | stew: As for booting from a cd/floppy, i stlll get into maintanence mode only. |
| 03:24.13 | nvz | jbalz: you have gpm running? |
| 03:24.16 | honeydew | I can poke my way around it |
| 03:24.18 | Charms | stew: I can't actually boot from a floppy. BIOS too old |
| 03:24.23 | Charms | stew: err. sorry.. CD |
| 03:24.24 | TerryMathews | jbalz: X4 or X3.3? |
| 03:24.32 | starfish | nvz |
| 03:24.37 | nvz | starfish: |
| 03:24.41 | jbalz | x4 |
| 03:24.45 | jbalz | and no.. kde |
| 03:24.51 | notchris | starfish: theres always VMWare, not sure if theres a free trial though |
| 03:25.01 | TerryMathews | jbalz: have you checked your input settings in your xconfig file? |
| 03:25.06 | jbalz | at least i assume it's x4.. the config file is XF86Config-4 |
| 03:25.10 | stew | Charms: does your bootloader know about the initrd? probably not. If you can boot from a floppy and mount your rootfs, you could fix this |
| 03:25.10 | nvz | yeah vmware beta 5 has a free trial |
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| 03:25.43 | nvz | you sign up and they email you a trial lisc |
| 03:25.50 | Charms | stew: i can get into my root FS through the maintanence mode, but what do i do in there without a text editor? |
| 03:25.55 | jbalz | TerryMathews: yeah, it has a few things in it.. but it says it's looking for a 104key keyboard and a ps2 mouse.. i figured that was the important parts |
| 03:26.37 | stew | Charms: you could mount your root fs but not your /usr partition? |
| 03:26.37 | TerryMathews | jbalz: can you e-mail me your XF86Config-4? |
| 03:26.37 | jbalz | i have the CoreKeyboard option on |
| 03:26.37 | jbalz | umm |
| 03:26.42 | jbalz | maybe.. lemme see if I can ssh into the box and grab it |
| 03:26.44 | jbalz | hang on |
| 03:26.54 | TerryMathews | jbalz: try CoreKeyboard off unless you know that you're running CoreInput support in the kernel. |
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| 03:26.55 | starfish | nvz pingus is way cooler than it used to be |
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| 03:27.01 | Charms | stew: the root FS mounts automatically when the new kernel boots up, but when it ry to my mount my /usr partiion i get a 'not a valid block device' errorl; |
| 03:27.17 | nvz | jbalz: TerryMathews /msg dpkg paste |
| 03:27.31 | jbalz | nvz: what? |
| 03:27.31 | stew | Charms: what fs is on your /usr partition? |
| 03:27.35 | nvz | starfish: I can't figure it out. I like that fillets game though |
| 03:27.38 | Charms | ext2 |
| 03:27.44 | nvz | jbalz: /msg dpkg paste |
| 03:28.02 | jbalz | ah.. yeah.. |
| 03:28.05 | jbalz | thanks |
| 03:28.09 | stu8 | hmmm... if Sarge base and install are frozen... how long till it is released as stable I wonder ? |
| 03:28.22 | nvz | no need to email people logs, there are other ways, pastebin.. etc |
| 03:28.23 | stew | Charms: are you sure you are trying to mount the correct partition? if you are it sounds like you have big problems |
| 03:28.28 | jbalz | TerryMathews: alright, what about ..ohh.. corepointer is on too |
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| 03:28.33 | stew | stu8: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 03:28.36 | jbalz | that could be my problems? |
| 03:28.41 | Charms | stew: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 (i'm 100% this is the right partition). Not a valid block device. |
| 03:28.53 | TerryMathews | jbalz: all the core stuff should be off unless you've got them on in the kernel. |
| 03:29.04 | stew | Charms: then it doesn't sound like a kernel problem, sounds like your partition / partition table is messed up |
| 03:29.10 | jbalz | ok.. do i have to use that dexconf or whatever to fix this? |
| 03:29.12 | zorpit | i know i can scan for /open/ ports via nmap, et al... but how can i figure out which ports my firewall has open (of course, there's the configs, but I mean it more from an empirical perspective) |
| 03:29.16 | Charms | stew: But it was fine just before I installed the new kernel. |
| 03:29.31 | stew | Charms: does the /dev/hda5 entry exist? |
| 03:29.32 | TerryMathews | jbalz: that or use vi/emacs/pico and just change the ons to offs |
| 03:29.51 | stew | Charms: like, ls /dev/hda5 |
| 03:29.52 | Charms | stew: Yes, its in /dev |
| 03:29.55 | zorpit | if i attempt to connect to a port that a firewall blocked, will it be different than if it is unblocked, but without any listening servers? |
| 03:29.56 | nvz | heh, thats what you get for not running screen, you simple ass |
| 03:29.56 | Charms | stew: it does exist. |
| 03:29.59 | jbalz | well, i don't see ons or offs.. i'm editing the config file itself.. so I could just comment the line... |
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| 03:30.10 | stu8 | stew thanks... dpkg knows a lot :) |
| 03:30.38 | bwalls | hi, i need help on how to uninstall a kernel module |
| 03:30.38 | stew | stu8: also, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical is holding up sarge |
| 03:30.44 | bwalls | so that my nvidia drivers work |
| 03:30.48 | TerryMathews | jbalz: earlier you said you saw CoreKeyboard option on. |
| 03:30.50 | stu8 | ah... okey |
| 03:30.54 | bwalls | any help? |
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| 03:31.17 | jbalz | TerryMathews: it's in the section "InputDevices" it says Option "CoreKeyboard" |
| 03:31.20 | jbalz | that's what i meant |
| 03:31.25 | aaron_ | hy |
| 03:31.32 | TerryMathews | jbalz: i see, you're correct comment them out. |
| 03:31.34 | zorpit | if i attempt to connect to a port that a firewall blocked, will it be different than if it is unblocked, but without any listening servers? # sorry for the re-ask, not sure if it got through the first time |
| 03:32.05 | jbalz | TerryMathews: ok, lemme try this out |
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| 03:32.24 | bwalls | can anyone help me uninstall a kernel module? |
| 03:32.27 | michoole | hello there |
| 03:32.27 | Charms | stew: I wonder if this is somehow telling me to throw this machine out. The whole reason i upgraded the kernel in the first place is because NO graphical applications worked in Linux. Like ZSNES for example ran fine in DOS 6.22, but it frezes my screen in Linux. And X crashes constantly.. so something is really bad with the video drivers. |
| 03:32.29 | aaron_ | i have a problem installing debian stable on my ultrasparc. when it is extracting the packages the kernel crashes and it drops to a debugger. i've put as much information re the issue at http://sokar.ath.cx/pastebin.html -- any help would be appreciated |
| 03:32.37 | notchris | zorpit: I'm not an expert (not even close) but I was under the impression that it depends on wether you use "block" or "drop" in your firewall rules. Or I could be getting mixed up with the *bsds |
| 03:32.38 | michoole | lilo, why you are abusing your kids? i can prove it. |
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| 03:32.41 | bwalls | can anyone help me uninstall a kernel module? |
| 03:32.44 | stew | bwalls: modprobe -r modulename will remove it from the running kernel |
| 03:32.50 | stew | bwalls: and stop repeating |
| 03:32.54 | bwalls | THANKYOU AGAIN LOL |
| 03:32.56 | alindeman | Any channel staff around ? |
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| 03:33.05 | jbalz | TerryMathews: it's giving me a 'no core pointer device specified' error now when i do a startx |
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| 03:33.15 | bwalls | will it run ever again? |
| 03:33.18 | stew | bwalls: you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to keep hotplug from adding it if thats whats happening |
| 03:33.22 | bwalls | or do i need to do it every boot |
| 03:33.38 | nvz | caphuso: still awake? |
| 03:33.43 | caphuso | nvz: yes |
| 03:33.50 | bwalls | its just the nVidia drivers dont like a module so they need it uninstalled |
| 03:33.51 | michoole | hello, lilo (or should i say - Robert Levin?), can you please stop harrasing your kids? i can prove that you are doing it |
| 03:33.59 | stew | bwalls: and maybe /etc/discover* |
| 03:34.02 | jbalz | TerryMathews: i commented the "SendCoreEvents" line in Generic Mouse as well.. was that wrong? |
| 03:34.15 | TerryMathews | jbalz: hold on, let me look something up |
| 03:34.19 | jbalz | ok |
| 03:34.27 | notchris | any managed to get the sid-amd64-netinst.iso installed okay ? (btw, is there a #debian64 or anything that I should be pestering about this?) |
| 03:34.36 | nvz | caphuso: cool :P alindeman was looking for "channel staff" I didnt know if he meant you or not .. heh |
| 03:34.42 | stew | Charms: if none of the new kernel / old kernel / kenrel on the boot floppy can mount the ext2 partition, i'd say its not a kernel problem, thats all |
| 03:34.52 | alindeman | We're having some abuse with tor right now |
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| 03:35.01 | caphuso | alindeman: where, what, how? |
| 03:35.02 | Charms | stew: Okay, so my file system got corrupted at the exact same time as my kernel upgrade? |
| 03:35.06 | stew | Charms: if you have a lot of stuff crashing, that might have been a sign that you were having hardware problems to begin with |
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| 03:35.24 | Charms | stew: the machine was stable running win98 and dos6.22 though.. don't undersatnd it |
| 03:35.26 | nvz | there, .tor, who knows |
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| 03:35.35 | mith | sussudio: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed seems to be what I was looking for, btw. |
| 03:35.36 | stew | Charms: do you think its more likely that upgrading your kernel broke your boot floppy? |
| 03:35.39 | holLA | hello |
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| 03:35.44 | garyniger | alindeman is a raving homosexual |
| 03:35.48 | garyniger | www.gnaa.us |
| 03:35.48 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: looks like kawfee is at it again |
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| 03:35.48 | BBearr | My mouse has quit on me, and I don't know any keyboard shortcuts to open a root terminal. Can someone help? |
| 03:35.49 | holLA | alindeman, please stop harrasing me |
| 03:35.50 | nvz | heh |
| 03:35.50 | mith | sussudio: I just couldn't figure out what terminology to search for and missed it in the faq apparently. |
| 03:35.54 | garyniger | alindeman is a raving homosexual |
| 03:35.55 | garyniger | www.gnaa.us |
| 03:35.55 | holLA | alindeman, i am doing nothing wrong |
| 03:36.00 | holLA | alindeman, please stop abuse |
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| 03:36.13 | bwalls | stew: i did modprobe -r rivafb do i need to ever do that again or do i need to do that every boot |
| 03:36.15 | scp2004 | hi everyone: is there kde, a xbrowser and a xircscript in the cd1 of woody? |
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| 03:36.25 | caphuso | damn |
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| 03:36.37 | stew | bwalls: did you read the stuff i said about hotplug and discover? |
| 03:36.38 | jbalz | gah.. morons |
| 03:36.39 | nvz | caphuso: sorry to bring bad news |
| 03:37.00 | bwalls | yea |
| 03:37.06 | bwalls | Server:/home/bwalls# /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 03:37.06 | bwalls | bash: /etc/hotplug/blacklist: Permission denied |
| 03:37.13 | bwalls | thats what i got |
| 03:37.21 | caphuso | nvz: well, there's this old proverb of not hitting the messenger to hard, or something like that, and i actually believe in that ;-) |
| 03:37.22 | stew | bwalls: thats a file to edit |
| 03:37.28 | nvz | haha |
| 03:37.33 | bwalls | ok so i need to chmod? |
| 03:37.49 | stew | bwalls: no |
| 03:38.02 | stew | bwalls: editor /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 03:38.27 | caphuso | hmmm |
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| 03:38.39 | Diablo | can i copy the module from kernel 2.2 to 2.4 folder in lib ? |
| 03:38.48 | jordo23 | Who know's a lot about apt? |
| 03:38.48 | Charms | stew: When I try to boot from my boot floppy, its just like linux-old, it kernel-panics trying to mount the root file system. |
| 03:38.49 | stew | Diablo: no |
| 03:38.58 | nvz | Diablo: sure, I wouldnt recommend it, and it probably won't work like you think\ |
| 03:39.05 | Diablo | ok |
| 03:39.06 | Charms | stew: But the new kernel CAN at least mount that (how else can it get into maintanence mode?) So what on earth is going on? |
| 03:39.13 | stew | Charms: did the boot floppy ever work? |
| 03:39.19 | Charms | stew: yes, it did. |
| 03:39.29 | jordo23 | Can someone look at a few lines of output regarding apt and let me know how to fix this? |
| 03:39.33 | BBearr | Can someone tell me how to get off the desktop and on a root terminal without the use of a mouse? |
| 03:39.51 | nvz | jordo23: read it first, it probably tells you |
| 03:39.59 | jordo23 | nvz: look in #flood |
| 03:40.01 | Diablo | ctrl-alt f1 -f5 |
| 03:40.05 | huhlig-winxp | ctrl+alt+shft+1 |
| 03:40.10 | huhlig-winxp | ctrl+alt+shft+f1 |
| 03:40.13 | caphuso | i think we should just +q *!*@node.tor, and put something in the /topic |
| 03:40.16 | stew | Charms: if you have some kernel that can mount your rootfs then use that and fix your bootloader so the new kernel knows about the initrd |
| 03:40.24 | nvz | wtf is ctrl+alt+shft+f1? |
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| 03:40.47 | Charms | stew: I told you, i don't have a text editor without /usr.. do i use 'cat' or something? c.C |
| 03:40.49 | Diablo | charsm you sound like you having the same problem |
| 03:40.53 | nvz | caphuso: yeah the +q would work better than +b, cause the idiot probably wouldnt notice as quick |
| 03:40.55 | huhlig-winxp | nvz my xterm doesent like leaving the terminal without using shift too |
| 03:41.19 | stew | Charms: there is always ed |
| 03:41.28 | Charms | stew: ed will work when vi doesn't? |
| 03:41.35 | stew | Charms: ed is in /bin |
| 03:41.40 | caphuso | Charms: sure |
| 03:41.54 | Charms | stew: okay.. so i use ed.. what do i edit? and how? i've never used ed before |
| 03:41.54 | nvz | huhlig-winxp: running screen or xbindkeys or something binding those like ion? |
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| 03:42.33 | huhlig-winxp | no |
| 03:42.35 | huhlig-winxp | just x |
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| 03:42.43 | huhlig-winxp | and kde |
| 03:42.46 | nSe | hi everyone: is there kde, a xbrowser and a xircscript in the cd1 of woody? any help? |
| 03:42.56 | TerryMathews | jbalz: sorry about that |
| 03:43.19 | jbalz | TerryMathews: it's ok.. |
| 03:43.24 | Diablo | so the net modules in kern 2.2 wont work in 2.4 ? |
| 03:43.24 | Charms | stew: I already have the line in lilo.conf ---- initrd=/initrd.img |
| 03:43.35 | try_catch_this | does the gcc java compiler produce exe's or .class files (just curious) |
| 03:43.41 | stew | then i don't know whats wrong |
| 03:43.50 | jbalz | TerryMathews: what is this core stuff anyway? i don't really understand it |
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| 03:44.32 | bwalls | ok im editing, where would i put the file i dont want to load though? |
| 03:44.34 | Diablo | mc -c |
| 03:44.38 | Diablo | whoops |
| 03:44.39 | Charms | stew: Guess its reinstalll time =( damnit. |
| 03:44.57 | stew | Charms: but i still assert that if your boot floopy used work, and it doesn't anymore, then its not upgrading the kernel on the hd that broke stuff, but cant mount root fs usually means that it doens't have a driver for your fs /disk controller |
| 03:45.20 | stew | Charms: and if you are getting lots of random crashes then i'd blame the hardware not the software |
| 03:45.21 | Diablo | charms |
| 03:45.30 | Diablo | y don't you use mc? |
| 03:45.35 | Charms | Diablo: MC? |
| 03:45.37 | bwalls | Stew: Im editing the file and i dont know where to put the file i dont want |
| 03:45.39 | stew | Diablo: he doesn't have /usr |
| 03:45.41 | Diablo | midnight commander |
| 03:45.46 | nvz | Charms: no mc |
| 03:45.51 | Charms | stew: I don't get 'random crashes'. I get crashes whenever i try using graphical applications. |
| 03:45.52 | TerryMathews | jbalz: compare your XF86Config-4 with this one: http://nico.f-451.net/setup/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:46.04 | Charms | nvz diablo: You're both telling me different things? |
| 03:46.17 | nvz | Charms: MC: command not found |
| 03:46.21 | Diablo | charms did you boot your rescue disk using the root=/dev/hda1 option ? |
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| 03:46.28 | nvz | Charms: its mc |
| 03:46.32 | Charms | Diablo: Yes. |
| 03:46.33 | nvz | like he said |
| 03:46.44 | nvz | you're the one saying it different |
| 03:46.49 | bwalls | Stew: Im editing the file and i dont know where to put the driver i dont want |
| 03:47.04 | jbalz | TerryMathews: lots different.. other than all the extra commented out stuff |
| 03:47.10 | bwalls | sorry for repeat bu i need the answer soon :( |
| 03:47.14 | bwalls | but* |
| 03:47.15 | Diablo | charms apt-get install mc ? |
| 03:47.18 | stew | !hurry |
| 03:47.19 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 03:47.23 | stew | bwalls: anywhere |
| 03:47.28 | Charms | Diablo: How can i get apt-get things if i can't even mount my file systems? O.o; |
| 03:47.38 | Diablo | gee |
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| 03:47.40 | TerryMathews | jbalz: that's supposed to be a working XF86Config-4 file - I would try to make your input sections look like theirs |
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| 03:47.58 | jbalz | TerryMathews: ok.. lemme try this |
| 03:48.16 | spatulasnout | hi, anyone know if there's some point where if a process has been reniced too high (e.g. -18, -19, -20) that it can lock up the whole system if it gets hung in a loop ? |
| 03:48.42 | jbalz | TerryMathews: down at the bottom they have some core stuff.. should i have that as well? |
| 03:48.49 | TerryMathews | jbalz: yes |
| 03:49.10 | jbalz | ok |
| 03:49.23 | bwalls | how can you get to the nVidia X Sever Control Panel? |
| 03:49.40 | bwalls | ive got the drivers working now... just need to set up dual screens |
| 03:50.02 | s3itz | xinerama? |
| 03:50.41 | stew | spatulasnout: a user process shouldn't be able to lock up a system completely |
| 03:50.51 | s3itz | just enable xinerama, bwalls |
| 03:50.58 | s3itz | nVidia's TwinView will be enabled |
| 03:51.10 | zarchne | spatulasnout: don't think so... swap exhaustion is the usual way. |
| 03:51.16 | spatulasnout | stew: i didn't think it should.... |
| 03:51.24 | bwalls | ok but will it just be a clone of desktop 1 or can i switch? |
| 03:51.29 | Diablo | charms is the usr on a seperate part.? |
| 03:51.35 | bwalls | between them |
| 03:51.36 | bwalls | * |
| 03:51.37 | Charms | Diablo: Yes. |
| 03:51.50 | Diablo | did you mount it? |
| 03:51.53 | Charms | Diablo: Ahh.. hm, that worked. I used another rescue floppy, a woody one |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | !mount Diablo |
| 03:52.05 | Charms | Diablo: The mchine booted normally |
| 03:52.11 | spatulasnout | ok.. just wondering because I *seem* to be seeing the whole system lock up if quake2 crashes when i have it reniced to, say around -18 or higher :( |
| 03:52.11 | bwalls | s3tiz can i private message you? |
| 03:52.12 | Diablo | kool |
| 03:52.13 | Charms | stew: This proves the HD is fine.. managed to boot using a woody rescue disk. |
| 03:52.27 | Charms | stew: So it was the kernel.. some how =/ |
| 03:52.37 | Diablo | yeah same as me |
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| 03:52.38 | stew | and so i'll bet that other boot floppy never worked |
| 03:52.49 | mith | ugg boot floppies |
| 03:52.54 | Diablo | i installed a new kernel the system went belly up :-( |
| 03:52.55 | s3itz | I don't have time, bwalls |
| 03:52.56 | mith | don't say words like that, this is a family channel |
| 03:53.00 | s3itz | I was just in a wreck and I'm busy |
| 03:53.06 | zarchne | spatulasnout: do you have a way to log in remotely? |
| 03:53.10 | Charms | stew: It did. i know it did =/ |
| 03:53.31 | Charms | stew: Anyway, i guess this machine just won't run with that new kernel so i should try to roll back to an older one..? |
| 03:53.36 | stew | Charms: well i'm glad you got your system up. but i don't know what to tell you about your kernel, if you have the initrd, a debian built kenrel really should work |
| 03:53.38 | spatulasnout | zarchne: it still responded to pings, but ssh went dead |
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| 03:53.51 | Charms | stew: Well, i upgraded fro 2.20 to 2.4.6 no problem. |
| 03:53.52 | stew | Charms: and did linux-old have initrd as well? |
| 03:53.59 | Charms | stew: But the jump to 2.6 seems to have blown it to hell |
| 03:54.03 | Charms | stew: No, it does not. |
| 03:54.15 | stew | ahh, then that explains that. why 2.4.6 and not 2.4.18? |
| 03:54.31 | stew | oh |
| 03:54.32 | stew | wait |
| 03:54.34 | Charms | stew: er sorry, its .18.. got the numers wrong. |
| 03:54.36 | stew | 2.6 on woody? |
| 03:54.45 | Charms | stew: I upgraded to sarge. |
| 03:54.52 | Charms | stew: Thats why i was trying to boot with a sarge rescue disk |
| 03:54.56 | stew | you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 03:54.58 | zarchne | spatulasnout: well, don't do that (renice that high) then. Sorry. |
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| 03:55.06 | Charms | stew: It auto installed with the kernel-image |
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| 03:55.36 | spatulasnout | zarchne: hehe.. :) ... yeah, i've stopped already... i'm at -5 for a week or two and so far so good <grin> |
| 03:55.51 | stew | Charms: if you don't have a good reason to go to 2.6 you should just stick to 2.4. a lot of people don't consider 2.6 to be an upgrade |
| 03:56.03 | stew | !kernel of hype |
| 03:56.03 | dpkg | Linux 2.6 |
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| 03:56.18 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: irritate stew |
| 03:56.18 | stew | !kernel of pain |
| 03:56.19 | dpkg | methinks 2.4.x is the Kernel of Pain, or <http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/17/0240242> or ask me about <2.4.11> or <2.4.15> or <2.4.18> or <2.4.19> or <2.4.20> or <text.exit> or <nfs client> or <ptrace> or <pcmcia fix> |
| 03:56.21 | ravenbird | dpkg: irritate stew |
| 03:56.21 | dpkg | stew: wenas who uses kde thx |
| 03:56.21 | stew | hmm |
| 03:56.33 | stew | FieldySnuts: is using 2 bots really necessary? |
| 03:56.40 | Charms | stew: i went to 2.6 thinking it would have beeter support for my video driver Stew. As i mentioned.. zsnes ran beautifully on dos 6.22, but when i try running it on linux i get a completely frozen screen, as i do with ny graphical program. |
| 03:56.47 | stew | i guess when you are trying to be irritating |
| 03:56.48 | Charms | stew: And as i said, X is highly unstable, even though it DOES run. |
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| 03:56.58 | nvz | stew: she's not allowed to use dpkg directly for obvious reasons |
| 03:57.03 | Charms | stew: I know its not the hardware because it runs fine on non-linux environments. |
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| 03:57.20 | stew | Charms: what video card / drivers? |
| 03:57.37 | Charms | stew: I dont' know how to set a 'driver' per-se, outside of X, but its a Diamond Stealth II S220 Rendition Verite 2100 chipset. |
| 03:57.45 | Charms | stew: A card that is supposed by Linux as far as I know. |
| 03:57.55 | Charms | stew: It runs Tomb raider II pretty damn well for such an old board. |
| 03:58.01 | Charms | stew: or it does in dos anyhow.. |
| 03:58.11 | zarchne | spatulasnout: you could try renicing sshd and your shell -20 (left idle) to recover from -19 quake2 hanging. |
| 03:58.37 | zarchne | spatulasnout: if you're in an exploring mood sometime. |
| 03:58.42 | stew | Charms: any card that old should really have all the kinks worked out, and not cause crashes, can't imagine that the 2.6 kernel introduced anything new for such and old card |
| 03:58.50 | Diablo | any idea on how to roll bak the kernel ? |
| 03:59.07 | Charms | stew: So I'm out of luck when it comes to running non-text based applications in Linux? |
| 03:59.07 | spatulasnout | zarchne: thx, good point |
| 03:59.09 | jbalz | TerryMathews: you still here? |
| 03:59.14 | TerryMathews | jbalz: yes |
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| 03:59.22 | jbalz | same problem it looks like |
| 03:59.30 | jbalz | no keyboard or mouse |
| 03:59.35 | Tman | should I get apt-get? |
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| 03:59.40 | Tman | apt-move sorry :p |
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| 03:59.47 | TerryMathews | jbalz: honestly - I have no idea what's going wrong... |
| 03:59.58 | jbalz | is there any log files that would show whats up? |
| 04:00.05 | stew | Charms: i dunno what to tell you, i'd try a different video card. and i'd give memtest86 a shot |
| 04:00.05 | nvz | stew: I've been considering sending a patch to Andrew Suffield. |
| 04:00.17 | TerryMathews | jbalz: try startx > ~/x.log |
| 04:00.28 | jbalz | alright |
| 04:00.30 | stew | nvz: for? |
| 04:00.58 | nvz | stew: so the blootbots will ignore her |
| 04:01.02 | Charms | stew: Hm, could the problem be that that th ere is an integrated video card on the motherboard? I don't use it, but there is no way to disable it through the BIOS OR through jumpers |
| 04:01.09 | Charms | stew: I simply don't plug into that video port. |
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| 04:01.19 | jordo23 | Does anyone know why XMMS plays files lightning fast with no sound on my DEBIAN SARGE w KDE? |
| 04:01.23 | Charms | stew: just ignoring it works fine in windows... but would linux have issues with that? |
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| 04:01.48 | FieldySnuts | jordo23: using the wav file output plugin? |
| 04:01.50 | nvz | stew: he hangs out here, he would know ... :P |
| 04:01.51 | stew | Charms: if no module is loaded for it i'd think it couldn't affect things |
| 04:02.05 | Charms | stew: Yeah, thats what i figured.. =/ im' grasping at straws here |
| 04:02.14 | stew | nvz: yeah. does he maintain the current bastardization of blootbot? |
| 04:02.41 | jbalz | TerryMathews: nothing in the x.log |
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| 04:02.51 | stew | bastardization is probably not the right word at all there |
| 04:02.53 | nvz | stew: yeah from what I hear.. I thought it was Tim Riker, but I guess not. I thought he took over blootbot, but I must be high |
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| 04:03.16 | jordo23 | FieldySnuts: Yeah.....when I press play it goes through a 10 song list in one second... |
| 04:03.21 | jbalz | TerryMathews: should i try to check and see if the kernel was configed with core devices? |
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| 04:04.47 | TerryMathews | jbalz: probably, but I don't remember how. |
| 04:05.18 | jbalz | TerryMathews: haha.. ok |
| 04:05.23 | jbalz | thanks for your help |
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| 04:06.08 | TerryMathews | jbalz: n/p. Wish I could be more help - haven't used a linux box with an X front end since late 2002. |
| 04:06.35 | jbalz | yeah.. it's been since about 96 for me |
| 04:06.36 | jbalz | :) |
| 04:07.12 | bwalls | can someone help me get to the nVidia graphics control panel |
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| 04:07.13 | bwalls | ? |
| 04:07.25 | nvz | bwalls: heh the what? |
| 04:07.33 | nvz | bwalls: you mean /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 04:07.38 | bwalls | no |
| 04:07.42 | nvz | I think so :P |
| 04:07.50 | bwalls | its the CP that is installed with the nVidia drivers |
| 04:07.53 | nvz | thats where you setup teh nvidia driver options |
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| 04:08.12 | bwalls | i know buth they install a CP too that is easier to config |
| 04:08.34 | FieldySnuts | it's called nvidia-settings and it's seperate |
| 04:08.52 | nvz | I use the binary driver on here, I never seen a CP, I just setup the options in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 like the nvidia docs said |
| 04:09.34 | nvz | I think my squiggly line adapter is broke though.. cause using the DVI ->VGA adapter with twinview makes whatever screen I plug in loose its red channel |
| 04:10.00 | bwalls | can u help me set up twinview? |
| 04:10.02 | nvz | so I dont really use any fancy options anymore, other than to disable the splash |
| 04:10.06 | nvz | yeah option |
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| 04:10.11 | nvz | "TwinView" |
| 04:10.12 | nvz | done |
| 04:10.14 | nvz | :P |
| 04:10.19 | nvz | read the nvidia docs |
| 04:10.29 | nvz | they are dead simple, and in english |
| 04:10.34 | nvz | you understand english? |
| 04:10.35 | bwalls | and you can have one app open in one and another open in another? |
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| 04:11.33 | nvz | sure, thats what twinvview is all about |
| 04:11.51 | nvz | goto nvidia's website read the docs for the driver |
| 04:11.55 | jbalz | welp, i'm goin to bed |
| 04:11.58 | jbalz | later guys |
| 04:11.59 | nvz | there is a section on the twinview options |
| 04:12.23 | bwalls | whats the link? |
| 04:12.34 | bwalls | cant find it on their site (too confusing) |
| 04:13.11 | dli | bwalls, install the package, and in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA* |
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| 04:13.25 | nvz | bwalls: I can show you mine in #flood, you're in luck, I was about to erase this drive, but I got it mounted to copy configs |
| 04:13.32 | stew | bwalls: google for option twinview |
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| 04:14.43 | nvz | bwalls: its only a few lines I added to the Screen section |
| 04:14.58 | bwalls | ok cool |
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| 04:15.42 | bwalls | ijm there |
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| 04:16.55 | DaPhatty-Debian | Is there a KDE/Debian equivalent to Windows Device Manager? |
| 04:17.20 | FieldySnuts | i sure hope not |
| 04:17.32 | drac | :) |
| 04:17.34 | pjz | DaPhatty: I don't think so, really. There's places to get system info, though. |
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| 04:18.13 | DaPhatty-Debian | I've just discovered that my onboard sound doesn't work so I'd like to troubleshoot that. Where should I begin? |
| 04:18.51 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 04:20.12 | arango | If I erase drivers from /lib/modules/2.6.* do I need to run depmod or anyother program ? |
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| 04:21.26 | maher | arango: run update-modules |
| 04:21.42 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - Not sure what that command is supposed to do. Linux took it just fine although I still don't have sound. |
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| 04:22.00 | pjz | are there known problems with the latest sarge netinst CDs? I'm having a b*tch of a time doing an install |
| 04:22.13 | pjz | or it could be that I'm tryhing to raid1 my root partition |
| 04:22.25 | arango | maher: That's all ? Do I need to change any config files in etc ? |
| 04:22.27 | maher | DaPhatty: can you run aumix or kmix |
| 04:22.38 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: it will print out the card you have. what is it then? |
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| 04:23.03 | maher | arango: i don't think so |
| 04:23.04 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - Well in that case, nothing. It just returned a prompt |
| 04:23.10 | stew | pjz: software raid1 for the rootfs? |
| 04:23.17 | pjz | stew: yes |
| 04:23.18 | stew | pjz: do you have a guide you are following |
| 04:23.33 | pjz | stew: no, the sarge installer lets me do it |
| 04:23.38 | cthulfuego | stew: debian-installer allows you to do that no problems. |
| 04:23.38 | stew | oh |
| 04:23.42 | jstevens | what command do I have to give to make Sarge re-scan *hd* devices ?? specifically, I'm on a laptop & have DVD drive wh/ is hot-swapable, but can't use it unless I reboot (currently) |
| 04:23.42 | stew | didn't know that |
| 04:23.46 | DaPhatty-Debian | maher - I am running the CD player at the moment with a CD in it. Lemme check the other apps |
| 04:23.55 | stew | i went through a rather convoluted set of steps to do that |
| 04:24.12 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: if you type lspci, can you see anything related to audio or multimedia? |
| 04:24.18 | cthulfuego | jstevens: Do a search for a script called 'rescan-scsi-bus.sh' (used to come in the kernel source with the sbp2 driver) |
| 04:24.22 | stew | cthulfuego: is that a new option or was i just too uninformed / not paying attention to know |
| 04:24.28 | cthulfuego | jstevens: The script writes to /proc somewhere |
| 04:24.33 | stew | pjz: its probably a question for #debian-boot then |
| 04:24.43 | pjz | sew: ah, thanks |
| 04:24.44 | cthulfuego | stew: Been there for a couple of months. |
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| 04:24.50 | pjz | one more moent of truth here... |
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| 04:25.04 | pjz | aaaand... it works! |
| 04:25.05 | toutmou | hi |
| 04:25.07 | pjz | finally! |
| 04:25.18 | DrFooMod2 | what would make gzip think a file created with the compress command on a Unix box is corrupt? |
| 04:25.23 | pjz | and I have no idea why |
| 04:25.24 | pjz | *sigh* |
| 04:25.28 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - unfortunately linux does not return any data when I enter that command |
| 04:25.39 | jstevens | is that something that I need to download, or should that already be in the install |
| 04:25.39 | maher | DrFooMod2: compress is different from gzip? |
| 04:25.40 | stew | i went through a whole charade of installing and creating a degraded array and copying and rebuilding and junk, i'm glad to know i won't have to repeat it |
| 04:25.51 | DrFooMod2 | maher: greycat earlier today said it should handle it |
| 04:25.54 | Supaplex | maher: yup, gzip is newer |
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| 04:26.03 | toutmou | I've a problem with the sarge netinstall ... partman say that there is no drive |
| 04:26.09 | maher | DrFooMod2: ok - dunno then |
| 04:26.15 | stu8 | I got a deb... which the author said was backported to woody... its newer scribus... but how do I install this from a file onto the woody system ? |
| 04:26.20 | pjz | stew: yah, there's also raid autodetect stuff now so you don't have to play tricks to get it assembled before it gets mounted |
| 04:26.21 | DrFooMod2 | by doing a gzip -d |
| 04:26.22 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: just 'lspci' gives no output at all? |
| 04:26.35 | pjz | stu8: dpkg --install <whatever>.deb |
| 04:26.56 | stu8 | pjz thx |
| 04:27.09 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - whoops. There we go I have data now. Lemme see what it says |
| 04:27.22 | jstevens | cthulfuego: is that something that I need to download, or should that already be in the install |
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| 04:27.48 | DaPhatty-Debian | man that is cool. Windows cant do that |
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| 04:28.07 | stu8 | windows is not a programming languag |
| 04:28.08 | stu8 | e |
| 04:28.19 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: :) |
| 04:28.23 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - Ok. I have data. Nothing about a sound card though. |
| 04:28.24 | toutmou | moreover ... I can't find what me controler is ... even with lspci or booting with knoppix ... |
| 04:28.57 | pjz | toutmou: did you try doing 'linux26' at boot time? |
| 04:29.02 | DaPhatty-Debian | hmmm. I wonder if it is disabled in the BIOS or something |
| 04:29.17 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: all right then, in your irc client, type '/join #flood' and paste the result of lspci in that channel |
| 04:29.19 | pjz | DaPhatty-Debian: good thing to check |
| 04:29.20 | toutmou | pjz, yes that's the first thing I tired |
| 04:29.37 | pjz | toutmou: does your machine see the HD in the POST messages? |
| 04:29.52 | pjz | toutmou: most PCs list their attached devices at boot |
| 04:30.02 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - Ok. I've joined and I am ready to paste into #flood |
| 04:30.21 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: when you want, i'm there too :) |
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| 04:30.43 | toutmou | pjz, it shows my drive at POST screen without any problem |
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| 04:31.00 | stew | toutmou: is it ide/scsi/sata? |
| 04:31.07 | Ober | http://www.linbsd.org/logo/freebsd_small.png new freebsd logo |
| 04:31.07 | toutmou | sata |
| 04:31.22 | stew | toutmou: do you know if its supported? |
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| 04:31.32 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: are you sure the card is enabled in the bios ? |
| 04:31.59 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - No I am not actually. I don't see why it would be disabled but I should double check. |
| 04:32.05 | toutmou | I don't know, I can't find what controler it is |
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| 04:32.16 | pjz | toutmou: what kind of motherboard? |
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| 04:32.28 | DaPhatty-Debian | Let me reboot and check the settings |
| 04:32.41 | stew | DaPhatty-Debian: you didn't find it in lspci? |
| 04:32.52 | DaPhatty-Debian | stew - nope. |
| 04:32.55 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: all right, worth checking. |
| 04:33.05 | stew | DaPhatty-Debian: you were looking for "Multimedia controller" as well? |
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| 04:33.36 | DaPhatty-Debian | Nothing related to multimedia or audio was listed |
| 04:33.44 | toutmou | pjz, I don't have any information about hardware ... the only thing I know is that it's a compaq SR 1378 |
| 04:34.05 | piem | stew: and all DaPhatty-Debian devices were recognised too. hence the bios check. |
| 04:34.05 | DaPhatty-Debian | USB, IDE, Video, PCI Bridge, Ethernet |
| 04:34.11 | DaPhatty-Debian | yea |
| 04:34.17 | DaPhatty-Debian | I'll be right back |
| 04:34.20 | DaPhatty-Debian | Thanks for the help |
| 04:34.25 | piem | welcome |
| 04:34.32 | pjz | toutmou: hrm, google's never heard of one of those |
| 04:34.38 | pjz | toutmou: you sure you got the model right? |
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| 04:34.53 | toutmou | I know , I tried before coming here xD |
| 04:35.11 | pjz | ahh, there it is |
| 04:35.16 | toutmou | Yes it's written on it |
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| 04:36.06 | Flimzy | What tool(s) exist to un-delete files (from Linux) on a (v)fat partition? |
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| 04:37.01 | doub | Flimzy: undeleting in vfat is a matter of editing the disk entry and putting back the first letter to what it was |
| 04:37.17 | doub | Flimzy: otherwise, don't know any tool for that |
| 04:37.18 | Flimzy | doub: I understand that. The question, though, is what tools exist to do this? |
| 04:37.25 | dendrite | I have a sarge box where rpc.statd appears to bind *two* udp listeners, as well as the tcp listener. Anyone have an idea what's going on? |
| 04:38.07 | jstevens | cthulfuego: got that, but running rescan-scsi-bus.sh results in seeing "No SCSI host adapters found in sysfs" |
| 04:38.29 | doub | Flimzy: maybe there's something in the mtools package |
| 04:38.47 | jstevens | cthulfuego: any other thoughts? |
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| 04:39.19 | dendrite | Flimzy: I wonder if you could determine the physical location of the directory object, dd it to a file, edit it with a hex editor, and dd the edited object back... |
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| 04:39.42 | Flimzy | dendrite: That sounds like overkill |
| 04:39.54 | pjz | toutmou: try linux26 noacpi |
| 04:39.54 | dendrite | Flimzy: I guess if you took that approach you'd want to be in single user mode... |
| 04:40.00 | Flimzy | dendrite: When the only difference between a file and a deleted file is one byte... that being the first character of the filename |
| 04:40.19 | Flimzy | doub: Don't see anything there |
| 04:40.25 | dendrite | Flimzy: Well, I know, I've edited directories under DOS before, using hex editors. |
| 04:40.44 | dendrite | Flimzy: But I don't know off hand of an on-disk hex editor, which is what you're looking for. |
| 04:41.08 | Flimzy | dendrite: that would be a last resort. What I'm really looking for is an 'undelete' command... which exists in at least some versions of DOS. |
| 04:41.10 | Flimzy | perhaps I could run dosemu |
| 04:41.11 | doub | Flimzy: running a dos emulator on the partition maybe? |
| 04:41.23 | Flimzy | doub: hehe, yeah, just thought of that myself, too |
| 04:41.32 | doub | Flimzy: but that too, is overkill |
| 04:41.43 | dendrite | Flimzy: Evil dd hacks aside, you'd think there'd be such a thing, eh? =) |
| 04:41.46 | Flimzy | doub: agreed |
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| 04:42.08 | Flimzy | dendrite: If MS could write such a tool in 1981, then there's no logical reason that such a tool can't exist now in Linux |
| 04:42.37 | toutmou | pjz, noacpi or noapic ? |
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| 04:43.03 | doub | Flimzy: you can go and hack it yourself, like MS did... |
| 04:43.06 | MrRusty | any one using a soundblaster live under debian 3.0somthing or other |
| 04:43.34 | Flimzy | doub: I can do that if necessary. But that would be overkill if a pre-existing tool already exists |
| 04:43.36 | pjz | toutmou: oh, hrm, you're right, I might be thing of noapic |
| 04:43.49 | pjz | toutmou: try acpi=off |
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| 04:43.51 | piem | MrRusty: might well have. any problems? |
| 04:43.53 | dendrite | Flimzy: It wouldn't be that difficult of a tool to write, I'm guessing. The hard part would be ensuring that the tool doesn't attempt a stale update. |
| 04:44.06 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - Ok I'm back. Looks like the onboard audio was disabled. I still don't get any sound but at least linux knows it's there. |
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| 04:44.40 | toutmou | ok let's try |
| 04:44.40 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: great. what does that line says now ? |
| 04:44.46 | MrRusty | I'm new to linux and debian for that matter and I can't seem to get my sound card up and screaming |
| 04:44.49 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 04:45.21 | Basic2 | Any zope or plone admins? I think there is bug somewhere. zope2.7 installs into /usr/lib/zope2.7, but plone installs into /usr/lib/zope |
| 04:45.26 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: ok, that looks better indeed. what kernel are you running ? |
| 04:45.34 | DaPhatty-Debian | 2.4.27 |
| 04:45.39 | piem | MrRusty: same question, what kernel do you run ? |
| 04:46.31 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: my advice would be to install kernel-image-2.6.8. what processor do you have? |
| 04:46.43 | MrRusty | I think it's the 2.2 I tried install under the 2.4 but could'nt get the soundblaster driver to install. |
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| 04:46.54 | DaPhatty-Debian | Celeron - 766 |
| 04:47.07 | jstevens | still can't figure out how to make this Sarge install see the DVDrom when slid in w/o rebooting |
| 04:47.09 | piem | MrRusty: 2.6.x are much more likely to support your soundcard |
| 04:47.16 | jstevens | it's a dell laptop |
| 04:47.23 | MrRusty | And how can you tell what kernal you are using I gather you open up a shell and type what? |
| 04:47.28 | jstevens | uname -a |
| 04:47.41 | MrRusty | in the shell? |
| 04:47.48 | jstevens | yup |
| 04:48.02 | jstevens | MrRusty: uname -a :-) |
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| 04:48.32 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-i686' |
| 04:48.38 | toutmou | pjz, doesn't work with acpi=off nor noapic |
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| 04:48.44 | MrRusty | 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 04:49.09 | piem | MrRusty: you will want to upgrade to 2.6.8: what processor do you have ? |
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| 04:49.22 | DaPhatty-Debian | piem - wouldn't I need to download the kernel or is it on the testing DVD build of debian? |
| 04:49.36 | cthulfuego | 2.6.8? Why upgrade to an old kernel with bugs? |
| 04:49.42 | MrRusty | can you tell me where to get ahold of 2.6.8 sorry a AMD 1400 |
| 04:49.46 | Flimzy | hrmph... I can't find any reference to a fat undelete utility in Linux on freshmeat or google |
| 04:49.49 | Flimzy | how odd. how sad |
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| 04:50.00 | pjz | cthulfuego: is 2.6.10 more stable? |
| 04:50.15 | cg0def | I have kernel 2.6 but usb storage devices get created as sd* devices, is that normal? |
| 04:50.17 | cthulfuego | pjz: 2.6.11-rc3 seems to be, yes. |
| 04:50.30 | piem | DaPhatty-Debian: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-i686' is just as well. i would prefer downloading it to make sure you have the last version. |
| 04:50.36 | maher | cg0def: yes |
| 04:50.39 | jstevens | cg0def: yep |
| 04:50.53 | cg0def | didn't 2.6 switch to usb* though? |
| 04:50.59 | cg0def | not that I am complaining |
| 04:51.03 | piem | cthulfuego: can you explain me in what sense this helps: "Why upgrade to an old kernel with bugs?" ? |
| 04:51.05 | dendrite | Flimzy: Have you looked closely at mc? |
| 04:51.07 | mithro | if i just want to run a single command on bootup how do i get debian to do it? |
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| 04:51.20 | piem | cthulfuego: do you know of any kernl without bugs ?| |
| 04:51.30 | mithro | ie i don't want to have to go through the process of creating a normal /etc/init.d/<> script |
| 04:51.42 | Flimzy | dendrite: no |
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| 04:52.03 | Flimzy | FreeDOS doesn't seem to have an undelete command... I wonder if I can find a tgz of one of my old DOS boot drives |
| 04:52.06 | Flimzy | meanwhile, I'll install mc |
| 04:52.19 | dendrite | Flimzy: While not wishing to get your hopes up, there is some chance that it has something of use. |
| 04:52.22 | piem | MrRusty: where are you at now? |
| 04:52.36 | Flimzy | dendrite: I'll look |
| 04:52.56 | MrRusty | As in world location... Canada BC Kelowna to be exact |
| 04:53.02 | dendrite | Flimzy: Remember that the first rule of undeleting files is to avoid updating the disk until you've recovered your files... |
| 04:53.13 | piem | MrRusty: i meant what where you doing :) |
| 04:53.14 | Flimzy | dendrite: aye |
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| 04:53.35 | piem | MrRusty: AMD 1400 this is a 64 bit right ? |
| 04:53.49 | MrRusty | tried to open up a shell and type the apt wget thing |
| 04:53.51 | pjz | mithro: best bet to do it such that it'll stick around as you upgrade the system is to do the /etc/init.d/ thing |
| 04:54.01 | toutmou | hum, nothing interesting in dmesg ... |
| 04:54.05 | MrRusty | no its 2 or 3 years old |
| 04:54.09 | pjz | mithro: there's a nice util to make all the symlinks for you though |
| 04:54.23 | GauntletWizard | What do I need to add to sources.list to get packages from the unstable dist? |
| 04:54.29 | pjz | mithro: update-rc.d |
| 04:54.38 | piem | MrRusty: ok, so you will want to run 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-k7' |
| 04:54.49 | MrRusty | ok |
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| 04:55.20 | piem | MrRusty: DaPhatty-Debian: you *must* double check that the boot loader is well configured after the new kernel installation, and before rebooting. |
| 04:55.44 | dendrite | mithro: If you really don't mind risking your changes getting zapped the next time sysv-rc gets an update, you can put your hack in /etc/init.d/rcS . |
| 04:56.00 | MrRusty | all I get back is could't find package kernel |
| 04:56.13 | Flimzy | dendrite: from mc(1): "Recovery of deleted files is only available on ext2 file systems." |
| 04:56.15 | Flimzy | *sigh* |
| 04:56.31 | piem | MrRusty: just type the command i gave you earlier, -2.6.9-k7 is your one |
| 04:56.33 | dendrite | Flimzy: Bleah. How important is this to you? |
| 04:56.42 | Flimzy | dendrite: fairly |
| 04:56.47 | MrRusty | I'm sure I'm not doing somthing right! |
| 04:56.47 | dendrite | Flimzy: How many files? |
| 04:56.55 | Flimzy | dendrite: It's not unrecoverable data... it's just data that would take weeks to recover |
| 04:57.03 | Flimzy | dendrite: ~2 dozen files... ~10gb of data |
| 04:57.19 | maher | Flimzy: run undelete from wine |
| 04:57.30 | Flimzy | maher: I will not infest my system with wine |
| 04:57.34 | piem | MrRagga: you need to be in a root terminal. then run 'apt-get update; apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-k7' |
| 04:57.36 | toutmou | pjz, did you find what the SATA controler is ? |
| 04:57.36 | dendrite | Flimzy: All the files in one directory? |
| 04:57.41 | Flimzy | dendrite: yup |
| 04:57.45 | maher | Flimzy: remove wine afterwards |
| 04:57.53 | Flimzy | maher: I'll do it with DOSemu if I can. |
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| 04:58.12 | Flimzy | maher: There's no reason to run wine when dosemu will do the trick. |
| 04:58.15 | dendrite | Flimzy: Well, if you can determine the physical location of the directory object, you should be able to dd and hack and dd like I was describing... |
| 04:58.24 | MrRusty | will root console do the same thing? |
| 04:58.40 | Diablo | so i guess there's no 3com driver for kernel 2.4? |
| 04:58.41 | Flimzy | dendrite: how would one make that determination? |
| 04:58.46 | pjz | toutmou: nope |
| 04:58.53 | Flimzy | Diablo: There are many 3com drivers for kernel 2.4 |
| 04:58.56 | piem | MrRusty: you can start a root console, or type su in a normal console. you will be prompted for your root passwd. |
| 04:59.07 | pjz | tout: is it a P4? |
| 04:59.10 | kck | anyone know where to find j2re packages for woody? |
| 04:59.13 | Flimzy | Diablo: Whether there is a 3com driver for *your specific device*, of course, is an entirely different question. |
| 04:59.15 | Diablo | i need 1 for 509b |
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| 04:59.23 | toutmou | it's an Athlon 64bits |
| 04:59.27 | dendrite | Flimzy: I'm not entirely sure of the best way. I suppose strace might give a clue. |
| 04:59.29 | Flimzy | Diablo: Yeah, that's existed since Linux 1.2 or earlier |
| 04:59.35 | Diablo | i know |
| 04:59.42 | Diablo | but i went to 3com site |
| 04:59.44 | MrRusty | operation not permitted |
| 04:59.48 | Flimzy | Diablo: That was your first stupid mistake |
| 04:59.51 | Diablo | is only available for kernel 2.2 |
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| 05:00.02 | Flimzy | Diablo: b*llsh*t |
| 05:00.17 | GauntletWizard | How do I tell apt=get to look in the unstable releases too? |
| 05:00.23 | Diablo | flimzy> if you can't say something nice keep you mouth shut then |
| 05:00.31 | jstevens | diablo: what happened when you modprobe'd 3c59x ? |
| 05:00.34 | toutmou | pjz, it's an Athlon 64bits |
| 05:00.39 | piem | MrRusty: you are not root yet then |
| 05:01.00 | MrRusty | so how do I get there |
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| 05:01.06 | Flimzy | Diablo: Newtwork Device Support -> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) -> 3COM Cards -> 3c509/3c529 (MCA)/3c579 "EtherLink III" support |
| 05:01.10 | Flimzy | Diablo: Right exactly where it should be. |
| 05:01.13 | dendrite | Flimzy: You just have to be close to get it with dd, if you read large enough blocks. :-) |
| 05:01.20 | Diablo | jstevens> i have no module for any 3com device in lib/modules 2.4 kernel |
| 05:01.23 | pjz | toutmou: hrm, okay, I'll keep looking |
| 05:01.31 | MrRusty | I got yelled at last time I logged on as root |
| 05:01.33 | dendrite | Flimzy: Does ls -i give any sort of clue? |
| 05:01.33 | Flimzy | Diablo: I don't know where else you would look. |
| 05:01.46 | pjz | toutmou: i got some results searching for 'compaq presario SR SATA' |
| 05:01.46 | mwilson | Diablo: Unless you built your own kernel, and deliberately left them out, you are mistaken. |
| 05:01.56 | Flimzy | dendrite: I dunno... have the FS unmounted now. Altho i suppose I could safely mount it RO and play around a bit |
| 05:02.01 | neurotope | looking for some guidance getting GNOME running, total noob here, so speak slowly, and use small words :) |
| 05:02.05 | piem | MrRusty: open a terminal, and type the command 'su' |
| 05:02.17 | Diablo | mwilson> man i installed apmd |
| 05:02.26 | Diablo | it auto installed kernel 2.4 |
| 05:02.27 | dendrite | Flimzy: Or you could play with another fat fs... |
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| 05:03.13 | mwilson | Diablo: Unllikely. |
| 05:03.24 | pjz | neurotope: 'apt-cache search' will locate packages for you |
| 05:03.30 | Diablo | yeah right |
| 05:03.35 | pjz | neurotope: then you just 'apt-get install' them |
| 05:03.36 | Flimzy | dendrite: Well... -i shows info for *files*... but since there are no longer any (undeleted) files in the directory in question, it shows nothing |
| 05:03.37 | Diablo | try apt-get apmd |
| 05:03.40 | Diablo | good luck |
| 05:03.44 | Flimzy | dendrite: furthermore, I'm not sure what use -i is on a vfat system anyway |
| 05:03.47 | Diablo | install |
| 05:03.56 | DrFooMod2 | maher: got it |
| 05:03.59 | MrRusty | then it asks for a password and I enter it then it comes back as operation not permitted |
| 05:04.00 | dendrite | Flimzy: Well, -ai -- does it show the location of the directory "inode?" |
| 05:04.04 | neurotope | im having problems running after its installed |
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| 05:04.15 | dendrite | Flimzy: I wonder if it gives the allocation block. |
| 05:04.15 | DrFooMod2 | maher: i had to pass -H -b 32 to compress on the SCO box for gzip to jive w/ the file |
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| 05:04.19 | Flimzy | dendrite: yah... 23753 |
| 05:04.21 | mwilson | Diablo: But if you're going to try claiming that you're running a Debian kernel, you most definately have support for just about anything 3Com has ever made. |
| 05:04.22 | neurotope | let me go look at the error again |
| 05:04.24 | Flimzy | dendrite: *shrug* |
| 05:04.31 | MrRusty | should I log off and come back as root log in |
| 05:04.33 | dendrite | Flimzy: On the DOS file systeM |
| 05:04.39 | dendrite | s/M/m?/ |
| 05:04.42 | maher | DrFooMod2: sco are probably using anancient version... |
| 05:04.45 | toresbe | I seriously need to clean my room |
| 05:04.49 | toresbe | jeeeeeez |
| 05:04.53 | neurotope | faild to load modual "mga_hal" not present |
| 05:04.58 | DrFooMod2 | maher: the clue came from two places |
| 05:05.02 | jstevens | diablo: ls /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 05:05.02 | jstevens | it should have 10 that start w/ 3c |
| 05:05.03 | dendrite | Flimzy: What's the block size of that fs? |
| 05:05.06 | Flimzy | dendrite: how can I determine the block size on a fat FS? |
| 05:05.11 | Flimzy | dendrite: heh... jinx? |
| 05:05.13 | piem | MrRusty: no, you will never need to log in X as root, you are probably missing something |
| 05:05.17 | Flimzy | dendrite: I'd assume 4k |
| 05:05.17 | dendrite | Flimzy: I used to know... %-/ |
| 05:05.23 | Flimzy | no, 16k |
| 05:05.23 | DrFooMod2 | maher: the gzip manfile notes that it works w/ compress using the -H switch (Huffman) |
| 05:05.24 | dendrite | Flimzy: Nah, smaller. |
| 05:05.26 | Flimzy | an empty dir is 16k |
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| 05:05.30 | dendrite | Flimzy: Variable, if I recall. |
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| 05:05.31 | Flimzy | so that's probably it |
| 05:05.35 | toutmou | pjz, do you thing that if I download full ISO I'll not have this problem ? |
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| 05:05.40 | piem | MrRusty: in the menu, you should find a 'root terminal' entry, try that |
| 05:05.42 | dendrite | Flimzy: Ah. maybe 4k. |
| 05:05.45 | DrFooMod2 | maher: but gzip -d file.Z barfed an error about Huffman being more than 32 bits |
| 05:06.00 | DrFooMod2 | maher: so, i tried setting the bit size for compress to 32, and it worked |
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| 05:06.51 | GauntletWizard | How do I get packages that are currently only in the "Unstable" distribution? |
| 05:06.54 | dendrite | So perhaps you're looking at block number 23753, that'd be skip=23752 bs=4096 count=4 ... |
| 05:07.11 | Flimzy | dendrite: what hex editor do you recommend? |
| 05:07.19 | dendrite | Flimzy: hexedit? |
| 05:07.33 | mwilson | bvi! |
| 05:07.35 | neurotope | hexedit or hexworkshop both kick |
| 05:07.35 | Flimzy | dendrite: installing |
| 05:07.37 | piem | GauntletWizard: you would need to upgrade to unstable |
| 05:07.37 | dendrite | Flimzy: Damn, what hex editor was I using..... Just last month. |
| 05:07.56 | dendrite | mwilson: I'll have to check out bvi. |
| 05:08.13 | neurotope | ok who knows about vid problems with gnome? im so the suck |
| 05:08.23 | GauntletWizard | Piem: How do I upgrade to unstable? |
| 05:08.39 | mwilson | GauntletWizard: Unstable isn't an upgrade. |
| 05:08.44 | dendrite | GauntletWizard: Moving to unstable is not really an upgrade. |
| 05:08.51 | GauntletWizard | That's what I thought |
| 05:09.10 | dendrite | GauntletWizard: It's more of a commitment to being willing to hack, and being willing to solve problems... |
| 05:09.16 | jstevens | is there a way to have Sarge re-scan for new hd* devices? .. specifically hdc wh/ is a DVDrom in a modular bay on a laptop... I want to be able to use it w/o having to reboot when I slide it in. |
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| 05:09.18 | MrRusty | I have shell terminal |
| 05:09.31 | piem | mwilson: dendrite: mmh, ok, it's a dist-upgrade :) |
| 05:09.36 | piem | MrRusty: great |
| 05:09.41 | MrRusty | and in that under file I have root console |
| 05:09.56 | GauntletWizard | I'm trying to get the nvidia-kernel-common package, and it's not under the testing distribution at the moment... |
| 05:09.57 | piem | MrRusty: run that |
| 05:10.01 | maher | jstevens: is it ide? look for ide hotplug stuff |
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| 05:10.09 | neurotope | anyone know what the proper driver is for a matrox mellennium g200? (8mb) |
| 05:10.13 | Flimzy | dendrite: hrm... well I dd'ed 10 16k blocks surrounding the "block" -i shows for that dir |
| 05:10.14 | mwilson | piem: Har har. You're so un-funny. |
| 05:10.17 | peterS | neurotope: mga |
| 05:10.20 | Flimzy | and a search thru that bit reveals nothing interesting |
| 05:10.32 | piem | GauntletWizard: no, nvidia-kernel will not be supported in testing |
| 05:10.34 | Flimzy | dendrite: Not that I'm in any way sure that's the right method to find the relevant section of disk |
| 05:10.39 | piem | mwilson: thanks, i try |
| 05:10.43 | dendrite | Flimzy: I'm not sure either. |
| 05:10.49 | Diablo | ffs |
| 05:10.52 | MrRusty | enter my password and the terminal goes from yellow to white |
| 05:11.05 | jstevens | maher: I think it's IDE, how would I verify? |
| 05:11.12 | neurotope | peterS: ok then i have that right, any idead whay i get the mga_hal error when i try and start GNOME? |
| 05:11.16 | dendrite | Flimzy: does strace ls -a on that dir show any interesting seeks? |
| 05:11.19 | piem | MrRusty: type 'whoami' to check if you are root |
| 05:11.26 | maher | jstevens: well if it shos up as hdc its probably ide - look around in proc |
| 05:11.27 | peterS | neurotope: I don't really have an idea, no |
| 05:11.45 | mwilson | neurotope: Uh, because you don't have the mga_hal module, of course. It's not like it's required, or anything. |
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| 05:12.12 | Flimzy | dendrite: nothing that I can tell |
| 05:12.13 | neurotope | how would i get that installed? |
| 05:12.37 | mwilson | neurotope: Why? You don't need it. |
| 05:12.41 | dendrite | Flimzy: You know the names of these deleted files? |
| 05:12.44 | MrRusty | the start of the line reads "isian@Ian:~$ |
| 05:12.54 | neurotope | well its the only error i have, and gnome wont run at all |
| 05:13.03 | MrRusty | sorry ian@Ian:~$ |
| 05:13.05 | Flimzy | dendrite: I can make reasonable guesses to partial file names, anyway |
| 05:13.16 | piem | MrRusty: that's not it then. on this line, type 'su' |
| 05:13.17 | neurotope | been messing with linux now for ... about 3 days, still cant get gnome to run |
| 05:13.32 | Flimzy | dendrite: so I *could* do a search of the entire partition with a hex editor... but that could take weeks on a 17gb partition :P |
| 05:13.32 | maher | neurotope: look in /var/log/ for xfree or xdm logs |
| 05:13.42 | mwilson | neurotope: Presumably you *actually* mean that *X* won't run, since whether or not you have mga_hal is of zero interest to Gnome? |
| 05:13.42 | MrRusty | it asks for my password |
| 05:13.42 | dendrite | Flimzy: Perhaps we can scan the volume with grep or something similar. We want an offset from the beginning of the device... |
| 05:13.59 | piem | MrRusty: good, type your root passwd |
| 05:14.25 | Flimzy | dendrite: NTM that potentially hundreds of similarly named and intentionally deleted files may have existed on this FS in the past, and may still have some file entries floating around |
| 05:14.28 | dendrite | Flimzy: I'm not sure what the best file scanner might be. |
| 05:14.36 | maher | neurotope: don't msg me |
| 05:14.37 | MrRusty | I enter it and it comes back with operation not permitted |
| 05:14.50 | dendrite | Flimzy: Ah. |
| 05:14.56 | piem | MrRusty: what distribution are you running ? |
| 05:14.56 | Flimzy | dendrite: I have a 486 in the other room with Win 3.x on it, I think... perhaps I could image that HD and boot it in dosemu |
| 05:15.08 | Flimzy | dendrite: then run undelete from there |
| 05:15.20 | maher | neurotope: can you log in on console |
| 05:15.25 | dendrite | Flimzy: That actually sounds like the path of least resistance. |
| 05:15.29 | Flimzy | that makes this a hardware issue then. *sigh* |
| 05:15.33 | neurotope | maher: sory, im having to swap back and forth with 1 monitor, doing it so i dont loose instructions |
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| 05:15.36 | calamari | hi |
| 05:15.45 | piem | hello calamari |
| 05:15.54 | neurotope | maher: havent tried, like i said, realy new to linux |
| 05:16.09 | calamari | hi piem, how are you? |
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| 05:16.22 | Bizarro_paco | hi again everyone |
| 05:16.26 | piem | not bad thanks :) |
| 05:16.32 | mwilson | neurotope: Correct the actual errors in the log. |
| 05:16.42 | Flimzy | Does Win2k have an undelete utility? |
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| 05:16.43 | mwilson | neurotope: Not the warnings. |
| 05:16.46 | Flimzy | or XP? |
| 05:16.48 | mwilson | flima |
| 05:16.55 | mwilson | Flimzy: No. |
| 05:16.58 | Flimzy | If so, I could plug this drive into a Win machine directly |
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| 05:17.48 | MrRusty | you type what at the terminal to find out |
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| 05:18.06 | Flimzy | maybe my norton utilities 2001 CD has an undelete program |
| 05:18.14 | dendrite | Flimzy: I wonder if we guessed wrong at the bs -- maybe it's not 4k... |
| 05:18.18 | piem | MrRusty: did you install debian or ubuntu ? |
| 05:18.24 | Flimzy | dendrite: I tried 16k actually |
| 05:18.28 | Flimzy | dendrite: I could try 4k |
| 05:18.33 | dendrite | Flimzy: For block size, or count? |
| 05:18.50 | dendrite | Flimzy: 16k is definitely wrong, it would cause the seek to be way off. |
| 05:19.13 | dendrite | Flimzy: Remember, bs is used by the skip parameter, multiplied, to do the initial seek... |
| 05:19.18 | MrRusty | debian and it's 3.02 somthing and it's version 2.2.20 |
| 05:19.20 | Flimzy | dendrite: Well 4k block size yielded a bunch of nulls |
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| 05:19.27 | toutmou | Do you think that an install with the full ISO will solve my problem with SATA drives ? |
| 05:19.34 | Flimzy | dendrite: whereas the 16k block size yeilded a bunch of unrecongizable data |
| 05:19.47 | dendrite | Flimzy: So go back and try with bs=4096, and see if you get something? |
| 05:19.47 | Flimzy | dendrite: yes. |
| 05:19.57 | piem | toutmou: non :\ |
| 05:19.58 | dendrite | Ah. |
| 05:19.59 | MrRusty | I'm using the KDE desktop |
| 05:20.00 | dendrite | nm. |
| 05:20.08 | Flimzy | dendrite: I've tried bs=4096 and bs=16384 both. Neither was useful. |
| 05:20.26 | piem | MrRusty: are you sure you have the correct passwd? |
| 05:20.41 | dendrite | Flimzy: FAT16? Could be as small as 512 bytes, I suppose... |
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| 05:20.45 | MrRusty | it's the same as my user password |
| 05:20.55 | piem | MrRusty: that's a bad idea ;) |
| 05:21.13 | Flimzy | dendrite: I don't think FAT16 is possible on 17gb |
| 05:21.21 | Flimzy | dendrite: FAT16 is limited to 2gb, no? |
| 05:21.36 | MrRusty | moma please let me go back to my ward windows 98 op system:-) |
| 05:21.39 | dendrite | Flimzy: Ah, I guess so. It's been a while since I was confronting those issues... |
| 05:21.48 | piem | MrRusty: did you ever log as root ? |
| 05:21.57 | MrRusty | yes |
| 05:21.58 | mwilson | Flimzy: 4 gb is the theoretical max on FAT16. |
| 05:22.02 | piem | MrRusty: how ? |
| 05:22.20 | zinx | mwilson: that's some pretty huge blocks |
| 05:22.33 | MrRusty | at the log in screen, there are 2 icons 1 root and 1 user |
| 05:22.36 | mwilson | A 4 gb *filesystem*, not 4 gb blocks. |
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| 05:22.59 | mwilson | A 4 gb FAT16 filesystem would be 64k blocks, which is the max. |
| 05:23.10 | MrRusty | login name for root is root and for user ia ian |
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| 05:23.24 | MrRusty | sorry is |
| 05:23.28 | mwilson | You can't create one with DOS/Win9x tools, although *nix and NT can create one, and DOS/Win9x will read/write it. |
| 05:23.38 | MrRusty | with the same passwords |
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| 05:23.42 | Flimzy | mwilson: Well in either case, 17gb is beyond the max for fat16 |
| 05:23.58 | zinx | mwilson: i'm aware; 64kb blocks are _huge_ |
| 05:24.00 | piem | MrRusty: true. you should be able to do just the same running 'su'. do you have sudo installed? try 'sudo echo test' |
| 05:24.06 | mwilson | No, 17 gb would be FAT32, with 4k blocks until you're up in the terabyte range. |
| 05:24.15 | MrRusty | at the shell... |
| 05:24.20 | piem | MrRusty: yes |
| 05:24.28 | Diablo | flimzy> as i have said i need a module for 2.4 not a source code to compile a module |
| 05:24.37 | mwilson | Diablo: You already have one. |
| 05:24.46 | Flimzy | Diablo: Well that's where modules come from. |
| 05:24.48 | Diablo | i fixed the problem anyway by removing kernel 2.4 and reinstalling kernel 2.2 |
| 05:24.57 | MrRusty | command not found |
| 05:25.10 | jstevens | diablo: did you look specifically in this folder??? /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 05:25.14 | Diablo | everything working as usuall |
| 05:25.37 | Diablo | yes i have there's no module dir |
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| 05:25.54 | piem | MrRusty: so no you don't have it. now type Alt+Ctrl+F1, and try login as root from there (Alt+F7 to come back to X) |
| 05:26.10 | jstevens | diablo: /lib/modules doesn't exist?? |
| 05:26.19 | mxldr | hey- i used an /fset command in bitchx. how can i save that so the setting stays the same next time i use bitchx? |
| 05:26.24 | Diablo | no not in kernel 2.4 |
| 05:26.33 | Diablo | apmd installed just the kernel bit |
| 05:26.38 | Diablo | no modules etc... |
| 05:26.50 | Flimzy | dendrite: man ls says -i shows the 'index number'... what does that mean specifically on FAT? |
| 05:27.02 | Diablo | how th esystem was runing? |
| 05:27.10 | Diablo | off a rescue disk |
| 05:27.34 | Diablo | which was 2.2.20 |
| 05:27.46 | MrRusty | now that was fun :-( |
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| 05:27.51 | dendrite | Flimzy: I thought -i was the inode number... Right, index.... I'm guessing that's an offset. |
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| 05:28.00 | piem | Diablo: use 'dpkg -l kernel-image* | grep ^.i' to check what kernels are installed on your system |
| 05:28.04 | Flimzy | dendrite: inode and index are the same for ext2, I'm guessing |
| 05:28.08 | dendrite | Flimzy: Perhaps the offset isn't from zero. |
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| 05:28.15 | dendrite | Flimzy: Yeah, that's what I guess as well. |
| 05:28.20 | Diablo | piem they already all gone |
| 05:28.24 | MrRusty | won't let me do anything |
| 05:28.28 | Flimzy | dendrite: I don't think it's an offset... b/c the files in the root dir of the FAT FS are sequential |
| 05:28.32 | Diablo | 2.2 is working fine now |
| 05:28.37 | Diablo | i simply reinstalled it |
| 05:28.50 | dendrite | Flimzy: Do you happen to know the char that's used to flag a file as deleted? |
| 05:28.51 | Flimzy | dendrite: So unless the files are all < 4096 bytes, it cannot possibly be an offset |
| 05:28.52 | m0rbid | Can someone tell me why is it that i can get a ps/2 trackball working with a serial adapter, but not a regular ps/2 mouse??? |
| 05:28.54 | MrRusty | comes back with debian has no warrenty disclamer |
| 05:29.06 | Flimzy | dendrite: ? I think... at least that's how it was represented in DOS versions of 'undelete' |
| 05:29.11 | mwilson | E5 |
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| 05:29.16 | piem | MrRusty: what disclaimer sorry? |
| 05:29.22 | dendrite | mwilson: Thanks. |
| 05:29.23 | mwilson | The first byte of the filename is set to E5. |
| 05:29.28 | piem | Diablo: you will probably want to have a kernel installed though. and 2.2 is quite old now. |
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| 05:29.30 | MrRusty | and gives me a prompt ian@Ian:~ |
| 05:29.42 | Yoyoma_2 | Hello all. I have sshd running (and working properly). But when i go to do an sftp it doesn't work. The remote host says "Received message too long 1383427694"" Any ideas why? (this is after logging in) thanks |
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| 05:29.45 | calamari | then you hope the fat hasn't been modified :) |
| 05:29.45 | dendrite | mtools-3.9.9/msdos.h:#define DELMARK ((char) 0xe5) |
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| 05:30.07 | piem | MrRusty: did you type ian or root at the login: prompt ? |
| 05:30.17 | MrRusty | tried both |
| 05:30.33 | MrRusty | says last log in at such a time and date |
| 05:30.49 | Diablo | piem> kernel 2.2 is fine this machine is just a ftp and http server for internal use |
| 05:30.54 | dendrite | Flimzy: I wonder what sort of chaos you'd get if you hacked a version of mtools to use a different value for DELMARK... |
| 05:31.01 | Diablo | my work station is 2.4 |
| 05:31.11 | MrRusty | tried root first then ian |
| 05:31.14 | Diablo | Linux IBM 2.4.25-1-386 #2 Wed Apr 14 19:38:08 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:31.23 | piem | MrRusty: have you modified something that could have changed that? |
| 05:31.41 | MrRusty | fresh install |
| 05:32.04 | MrRusty | should I come back as root and sign in on irc |
| 05:32.05 | dendrite | Flimzy: Hmmm... Should we be concerned about the delete operation clearing all the fat -in-use- flags? |
| 05:32.23 | Flimzy | dendrite: heh, probably. |
| 05:32.33 | Flimzy | dendrite: I need a working DOS 6.x disk image :/ |
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| 05:32.45 | piem | MrRusty: so you should really be able to login as root. type 'last | grep root' and check last time root logged in. |
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| 05:33.18 | dendrite | Flimzy: I thought you said you had a dos box? |
| 05:33.36 | zacmoody | how do i enable direct rendering |
| 05:33.37 | Flimzy | dendrite: yeah. it will be a major pain to image that drive, tho. I'll do that if necessary |
| 05:33.46 | Bizarro_paco | will 'dpkg*kernel*' give me the same reult as 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386'? |
| 05:33.55 | dendrite | Flimzy: Format a floppy, then sys it? |
| 05:34.02 | Flimzy | dendrite: that won't have undelete on it |
| 05:34.12 | dendrite | Flimzy: format a: /s /u, then cp undelete to it? |
| 05:34.22 | Flimzy | maybe I could copy the necessary support files to floppy |
| 05:34.26 | piem | Bizarro_paco: 'COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l kernel-image* | grep ^.i' is probably better |
| 05:34.27 | MrRusty | tonight 17:49 to 17:52 |
| 05:34.29 | Flimzy | dendrite: that's worth a try. brb |
| 05:34.34 | Flimzy | dendrite: hrm... do I have any floppies? |
| 05:34.42 | neurotope | ok looking at the log and the only errors are [(EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0)] and [(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.] |
| 05:34.44 | Diablo | dendrite> you missed the /f:1.44 :-) |
| 05:34.47 | zacmoody | how do i enable direct rendering ..ne1 |
| 05:34.58 | Flimzy | hrm, do I have any spare monitors?! |
| 05:34.59 | Flimzy | :/ |
| 05:35.04 | Bizarro_paco | (piem): i am trying to compile ndiswrapper, and i did the COLUMNS=200...', and nothing happened. |
| 05:35.08 | neurotope | i think the little people in Gnome hate me |
| 05:35.23 | Diablo | lol |
| 05:35.34 | piem | Bizarro_paco: use module-assistant |
| 05:35.46 | Diablo | 22 years under dos got the crap out of me :-) |
| 05:35.49 | dendrite | Diablo: You'll have to fight with mwilson for that. 0xe5 indeed! |
| 05:35.51 | neurotope | can you dupe me that helm |
| 05:35.58 | zacmoody | huh |
| 05:36.03 | Bizarro_paco | piem:module assistant? |
| 05:36.32 | neurotope | so how do i get the mga_hal to exist? |
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| 05:37.02 | mwilson | neurotope: You don't, since that's not your problem. |
| 05:37.06 | piem | MrRusty: you have a strange problem here. try logging in the same way you did last time, although you should avoid X logins as root. |
| 05:37.17 | MrRusty | I'm going to log off and sign back on as root... |
| 05:37.17 | piem | Bizarro_paco: apt-cache show module-assistant |
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| 05:37.23 | neurotope | mwilson can i message you ? |
| 05:37.36 | mwilson | neurotope: Of course not. |
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| 05:37.48 | neurotope | ::sigh:: |
| 05:38.00 | Diablo | am glade my server is bak online :-) |
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| 05:38.02 | neurotope | mwilson: ok, what do you think the problem is? |
| 05:38.16 | Diablo | there's 2 gb worth of nntp on it :-) |
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| 05:38.26 | zacmoody | glxgears ..fps sucks plz help |
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| 05:38.46 | dendrite | mwilson: I have an rpc.statd that wants to bind *two* udp listeners... Any ideas why that might be? |
| 05:38.55 | mwilson | dendrite: Fight me for what? |
| 05:38.57 | dendrite | mwilson: It also binds the TCP listener. |
| 05:39.01 | mwilson | dendrite: No idea. |
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| 05:39.09 | dendrite | mwilson: The Crown of useless dos knowlege. |
| 05:39.23 | dendrite | mwilson: You knew the delete flag hex value... |
| 05:39.32 | zacmoody | glxgears ..fps sucks plz help |
| 05:39.47 | piem | neurotope: afaik, there is no module called mga_hal, but there is one called mga |
| 05:39.58 | deb_noob | hullo? |
| 05:40.13 | m0rbid | (echo) |
| 05:40.19 | dendrite | pong |
| 05:40.23 | mwilson | neurotope: It tells you quite plainly... "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration". Read the log, note WHY none of the screens are usable, repair your configuration mistake. |
| 05:40.32 | Bizarro_paco | piem:okay...by the way, are you familiar with nidiswrapper? |
| 05:40.41 | deb_noob | tell more |
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| 05:40.54 | piem | Bizarro_paco: not really no. |
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| 05:41.17 | piem | MrRusty: so you can log in as root. |
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| 05:41.28 | MrRusty | I log into irc and get punted |
| 05:41.30 | deb_noob | Bizarro_paco: ineed it too |
| 05:41.39 | neurotope | mwilson: ok, i just installed the os for the first (3rd try) time and i guess i dont know what im looking for when im reading through the log file |
| 05:41.50 | compmanio36 | hey does anyone know anyway to get midi files to play? |
| 05:41.55 | MrRusty | "the channel demigods have stol your voice |
| 05:42.01 | Bizarro_paco | (deb_noob): it is a pain in the ass..LOL...i should have bought a different LAN card |
| 05:42.10 | neurotope | mwilson: i dont mind messing around, but i realy have no direction that i know what to do with |
| 05:42.12 | compmanio36 | I can't find a package to play midis anywhere |
| 05:42.20 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: I know ndis |
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| 05:42.32 | MrRusty | Yes I can log in as root and do anything |
| 05:42.34 | deb_noob | (bizarro): heard that, what u learn? |
| 05:42.47 | MrRusty | but talk on this channel |
| 05:43.08 | piem | MrRusty: the problem could be that some temporary files (/tmp/.X0-lock) got corrupted or the wrong permissions when you first logged in as root. |
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| 05:43.29 | m0rbid | Whats the problem with ndiswrapper? |
| 05:43.34 | dendrite | compmanio36: You running ALSA? |
| 05:43.36 | m0rbid | ndiswrapper is easy. |
| 05:43.47 | Bizarro_paco | m0rbid:col...i am having trouble with the COLUMNS=200 dpkg-l | grep kernel-headers-$(unmae-r) command |
| 05:43.54 | compmanio36 | yes |
| 05:44.10 | dendrite | compmanio36: Try 'aplaymidi' |
| 05:44.12 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: with ndiswrapper??? |
| 05:44.40 | compmanio36 | tried it, it just makes a creepy scratchy screetchy noise then quits |
| 05:44.43 | neurotope | would [can not open APM] warining be the problem? |
| 05:44.47 | Bizarro_paco | m0rbid:yes...i have installed the prog, i now have to compile the file. |
| 05:44.49 | piem | MrRusty: try to reboot, then log in as ian and run 'su' in a terminal. |
| 05:45.02 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: for which NIC? |
| 05:45.06 | MrRusty | I also get a start up message saying that error while ilnitializing the sound card driver |
| 05:45.10 | deb_noob | Anyone know how to make the system automatically mount a second drive? |
| 05:45.11 | dendrite | compmanio36: It's possible that your midi setup is broken, eh? |
| 05:45.12 | MrRusty | ok |
| 05:45.18 | dendrite | compmanio36: I've not had much luck with midi... |
| 05:45.22 | m0rbid | deb_noob: edit /etc/fstab |
| 05:45.33 | Flimzy | woot! I found an undelete command for FreeDOS... not part of the official FreeDOS package, but it may do the trick |
| 05:45.42 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): linksys wpc4g |
| 05:45.44 | dendrite | Flimzy: Good luck! |
| 05:45.55 | deb_noob | <m0rbid>: add the command in there? |
| 05:45.55 | compmanio36 | hmm......ok...... |
| 05:46.05 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: I have the same card, I know the pains, where di you get ndis wrapper from? SF.net? |
| 05:46.29 | m0rbid | deb_noob: follow whats there, add the info according to what you need. |
| 05:46.49 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): well, it already came with debian...so i just did the apt-get install source ndiswrapper-utils |
| 05:46.56 | deb_noob | <m0rbid> mkay. how about changing video drivers? |
| 05:47.27 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: ditch them, get the source. |
| 05:47.39 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: http://ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 05:48.15 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: the INSTALL file, read it, become one with it. Its easy, and that file walked me right thru it, with no problem. |
| 05:48.37 | piem | m0rbid: Bizarro_paco installed ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils if i follow. any reason why the tarball would be required? |
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| 05:49.09 | m0rbid | piem: I had problems with the source I got from debian repos, i dont know why. Version maybe? |
| 05:49.10 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): welll, when i did the apt-get install, the tarball as downloaded |
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| 05:49.30 | piem | m0rbid: could you check what version you got plz? |
| 05:50.01 | MrRusty | I get the same message operation not permitted |
| 05:50.04 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): so, maybe i should do "wget http://ndiswrapper.sf.net"? |
| 05:50.04 | m0rbid | piem: whatever is on the site now, I just grabbed it like a month ago, and that laptop isnt here right now or I would. |
| 05:50.20 | deb_noob | Anyone had success with XGI video chip/card? |
| 05:50.22 | MrRusty | this sucks! |
| 05:50.26 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: lol, no, that would be one big download. |
| 05:50.35 | m0rbid | hang on a sec. |
| 05:50.43 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): OK |
| 05:51.11 | piem | m0rbid: debian has 0.12+1.0rc2-1, ndiswrapper.sf.net is at 1.0-1 |
| 05:51.32 | m0rbid | 0.12 should be sufficient. |
| 05:52.13 | piem | Bizarro_paco: so you should be set with the debian package |
| 05:52.45 | Bizarro_paco | (piem): well, morbid was saying that i should get the package from another source |
| 05:53.00 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: what do you get when you do 'ndiswrapper -l' ? |
| 05:53.14 | piem | Bizarro_paco: read two lines above, he reckons the new 0.12+1.0rc2-1 should do |
| 05:53.39 | m0rbid | 0.12 is fine.. |
| 05:53.53 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): installed drivers: lsbcmnds driver present |
| 05:54.15 | m0rbid | hmmm |
| 05:54.24 | m0rbid | did you obtain the winXP driver for the NIC? |
| 05:54.51 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): yes..it is, in fact, the lsbcmnds |
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| 05:55.06 | m0rbid | no |
| 05:55.08 | m0rbid | thats wrong |
| 05:55.21 | m0rbid | should be something like net8139.ini |
| 05:55.24 | m0rbid | wait a sec |
| 05:55.29 | m0rbid | lemme get ndis and walk you thru this |
| 05:55.30 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): OK |
| 05:55.34 | m0rbid | my good deed for the day |
| 05:55.36 | m0rbid | =) |
| 05:55.37 | piem | MrRusty: i agree :) |
| 05:57.25 | MrRusty | I'm going to download the latest debian maybe even the test 1 and reload my system |
| 05:57.55 | piem | MrRusty: you should never need to reinstall debian. login as root again, run 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 05:58.06 | MrRusty | the hole install should fit on 1 cd right? |
| 05:58.20 | nite613 | I'm about to upgrade a woody->sarge. Should I be doing an update/upgrade with stable sources and then s/woody/sarge in sources.list, update, dist-upgrade ?? |
| 05:58.27 | zinx | MrRusty: most CDs have 1 hole on them, yes |
| 05:58.29 | piem | MrRusty: then 'visudo' and add yourself (ian) to the sudoers following the root template |
| 05:58.44 | m0rbid | zinx: hahaha |
| 05:58.49 | deb_noob | why is there 15 cds in sarge? |
| 05:58.58 | xam | zinx: my CDs have two holes, one on each side |
| 05:58.59 | zinx | deb_noob: because it's the entire package repository |
| 05:59.14 | MrRusty | Go ahead I have big shoulders! |
| 05:59.14 | deb_noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.17 | piem | MrRusty: so go to the last line (G), copy it (yy), paste it (p) and replace root with ian (:s/root/ian/) |
| 05:59.30 | zinx | deb_noob: it's very rare that anyone needs everything in debian, so it's recommended that people download the network install, so they can download only what they need |
| 05:59.39 | zzxxcc | hi, all |
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| 05:59.48 | deb_noob | i foolishly burned all 15 |
| 05:59.56 | Halahad | ... |
| 05:59.56 | zzxxcc | When will Sarge release? |
| 05:59.59 | m0rbid | =O |
| 06:00.01 | zinx | deb_noob: well, that's your problem :) |
| 06:00.09 | MrRusty | in the shell |
| 06:00.09 | xam | zzxxcc: wir |
| 06:00.15 | deb_noob | no prob, just education |
| 06:00.25 | zinx | deb_noob: the installer should ask if you want to add another source |
| 06:00.43 | deb_noob | not really, it asked if i want to check another disk |
| 06:00.46 | zinx | deb_noob: to which you'd answer 'yes' until you're done inserting CDs |
| 06:00.49 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i appreciate your help |
| 06:01.08 | deb_noob | i installed several times, once i pushedall 15 thru |
| 06:01.13 | zinx | deb_noob: debian orders the packages so the most popular are on the first CD |
| 06:01.19 | jstevens | zzxxcc: Debian doesn't have release dates. that's the beauty of it... it releases when it's ready, not before |
| 06:01.24 | deb_noob | even thne the install only wanted 3 of them |
| 06:01.27 | piem | MrRusty: 1. apt-get install sudo 2. nano /etc/sudoers 3. add yourself there |
| 06:01.36 | chazwurth | can someone give me a hand with a hard drive dma question? |
| 06:01.38 | zinx | deb_noob: because you didn't want to install anything from the other CDs :) |
| 06:01.39 | Bizarro_paco | i only needed the first one |
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| 06:01.49 | deb_noob | apparently |
| 06:01.57 | zzxxcc | jstevens: I just want to know how long I have to wait? |
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| 06:02.01 | zinx | deb_noob: as i said, it's very rare for someone to need everything in the package repository -- it's _huge_, and has a lot of software you'll never need |
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| 06:02.11 | piem | MrRusty: then log out and back as ian, and you should be able to run root commands using 'sudo command' and your user passwd |
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| 06:02.15 | deb_noob | ud figure plugins and stuff would be on there |
| 06:02.15 | maher | zzxxcc: no one knows |
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| 06:02.34 | zinx | deb_noob: there are a large number of plugins in the repository :/ |
| 06:02.35 | sig_ubuntu | If I download lets say "quanta" and it gets all the libs etc that it needs... if I want to remove it via apt-get --purge remove quanta will that also remove all the libs etc that it had to get for that package? |
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| 06:02.48 | nite613 | how do I do a dist-upgrade using aptitude? |
| 06:03.03 | deb_noob | Anyone had success with XGI video chip/card? |
| 06:03.06 | piem | sig_ubuntu: no, you would need aptitude to keep a track of this |
| 06:03.15 | nite613 | NVM, /me is dumb |
| 06:03.23 | sig_ubuntu | hrrmmm |
| 06:03.57 | chazwurth | I've just installed Debian for the first time. I've compiled a custom kernel (vanilla 2.6.10). I selected 'use DMA by default' when configuring the kernel. With the stock Debian kernel, dma was turned on. When I boot using my new kernel, it isn't. I understand I can use hdparm to turn it on, but how do I ensure that it is turned on each time I boot? |
| 06:04.00 | jstevens | zzxxcc: understand... the only way to find that out is to look through the critical bug list, and find out from all the maintainers when the release critical bugs will be resolved.... in other words, good luck :-) |
| 06:04.14 | MrRusty | I typed that in and it reads "sorry, bu the following packages have unmet dependencies |
| 06:04.16 | sig_ubuntu | piem: so lets say I was half way through getting that package via apt-get and I did a ctrl+C where did those packages save to so I can manually delete them? |
| 06:04.32 | MrRusty | als-utils |
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| 06:04.40 | piem | chazwurth: the hdparms change will be saved iirc |
| 06:04.43 | MrRusty | debmirror |
| 06:04.47 | xam | chazwurth: put it in /etc/hdparm.conf? |
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| 06:04.57 | chazwurth | doh |
| 06:05.00 | MrRusty | alsa-modules |
| 06:05.15 | chazwurth | thanks |
| 06:05.31 | S | hi. i do not have insmod installed in my debian installation, and don't know how or where to get it. pls help |
| 06:05.32 | deb_noob | Anyone know how to change video drivers? |
| 06:05.33 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: what was your error?? |
| 06:05.37 | piem | sig_ubuntu: apt-get autoclean (remove old redundant packages) or apt-get clean (everything in /var/cache/apt/archives/) |
| 06:05.41 | MrRusty | then it says... try apt-get -f install with no packages |
| 06:05.49 | sig_ubuntu | piem: than you |
| 06:05.50 | m0rbid | deb_noob: for 'X' ? |
| 06:05.54 | deb_noob | yes |
| 06:06.01 | chazwurth | any idea why it wouldn't be on automatically, even though it is when I boot using a Debian kernel? |
| 06:06.05 | m0rbid | deb_noob: run xf86config again |
| 06:06.12 | nvz | S: then its a good thing you dont really need or want insmod |
| 06:06.16 | piem | MrRusty: yep, do that first then, make sure apt does not wnat to remove everything though |
| 06:06.32 | S | nvz, what should i use instead of insmod? |
| 06:06.39 | m0rbid | luck |
| 06:06.40 | nvz | S: modprobe or modconf |
| 06:06.42 | deb_noob | <m0rbid>: just type xf86config? |
| 06:06.49 | m0rbid | deb_noob: in a shell yah |
| 06:06.55 | S | i'll try, brb |
| 06:07.01 | piem | chazwurth: you are missing something about dma in your hand made kernel |
| 06:07.06 | nvz | S: note you have to be root to load module code into kernel space |
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| 06:07.13 | xam | chazwurth: 1. you haven't compiled in the proper chipset support (unlikely, since you can turn it on after all), 2. you didn't select 'turn in DMA on bootup' in the kernel options |
| 06:07.15 | deb_noob | <m0rbid>: do i terminate the currently running gui first? |
| 06:07.18 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): no error..i was follwing the source forge wki, and there was a command to show my kernel headers, and nothing happened... |
| 06:07.22 | piem | chazwurth: run vimdiff /boot/config-<debian> /boot/config-<yours> |
| 06:07.31 | m0rbid | deb_noob: nah, you can restart it when your done. |
| 06:07.39 | S | nvz, thank you very much, i will continue with its man-page :) |
| 06:07.52 | deb_noob | <m0rbid>: how restart gui? |
| 06:08.06 | mwilson | geez... 10.3.8 update is 99 mb |
| 06:08.19 | chazwurth | piem, xam: thanks for the advice. I looked over the kernel config pretty carefully, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to look some more. I'll go have at it, thanks again. |
| 06:08.35 | calamari | apt-cache has a neat rdepends option to find out which packages rely on a certain package, if any. Is there something similar for installed packages? |
| 06:08.58 | nvz | mwilson: and you just missed an chance to make someone feel like a dumb ass. too bad, you're so good at it |
| 06:09.00 | mwilson | calamari: Is there some reason you don't think rdepends is appropriate? |
| 06:09.00 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: you there? |
| 06:09.01 | piem | calamari: apt-cache would work just as well for installed packages |
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| 06:09.06 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): the command was 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-headers-$2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:09.14 | mwilson | nvz: Hm? |
| 06:09.15 | calamari | rwilson: it returns results that include non-installed packages |
| 06:09.30 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: why are you running that command? |
| 06:09.32 | nvz | seems that chance comes often here |
| 06:09.33 | mwilson | calamari: Yes, it certainly does. |
| 06:09.34 | piem | mwilson: get some wine, no need to be condescendant |
| 06:09.49 | drwahl | can any one help out with an new install on a PowerBook G4? |
| 06:09.59 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore |
| 06:10.05 | toutmou | Is there a way to force partman detect a SATA drive ? |
| 06:10.13 | piem | mwilson: see, you keep being |
| 06:10.49 | piem | toutmou: if sata is working, then partman would see it |
| 06:10.52 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: when you ran make && make install you got no errors right?? |
| 06:10.55 | nvz | mwilson: some poor misdirected soul wanted to use insmod, I am sure you would have enjoyed it |
| 06:11.11 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i am folwing instructions on this page:http://nidiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
| 06:11.14 | calamari | rwilson: maybe I'm asking at too low a level :) basically what I'm trying to do is build a list of all packages on my system that nothing depends on |
| 06:11.31 | drwahl | does any one know how to install the drivers for a touchpad on a PowerBook? |
| 06:11.35 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: stay with me here. Did you get errors when you ran make or make install? |
| 06:11.36 | calamari | rwilson: then I can go through and remove packages I don't want or need |
| 06:11.39 | toutmou | piem, my hdd is shown on POST screen, but partman say that there no drive installed |
| 06:11.41 | mwilson | calamari: <sigh> What is the *actual* problem you're trying to solve? |
| 06:11.48 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i havent ran that command yet |
| 06:11.48 | maher | calamari: use deborphan? |
| 06:11.53 | piem | toutmou: what's POST screen ? |
| 06:12.03 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: did you untar the source? |
| 06:12.12 | nvz | calamari: why do you keep typing rwilson: in front of everything? |
| 06:12.14 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): yes |
| 06:12.32 | drwahl | i just installed debian on my powerbook, but it cannot detect the touchpad |
| 06:12.34 | piem | maher: what about deborphan? |
| 06:12.42 | toutmou | piem, hum the screen juste after power up |
| 06:12.43 | m0rbid | ok, bear with me a second, I wanna see something. Stop following the wiki for a minute. |
| 06:13.07 | calamari | nvz: are you trying to be helpful? |
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| 06:13.12 | maher | piem: it lists packages which don't have dependents |
| 06:13.13 | nvz | m0rbid: make up your mind, do you need a second or a minute? |
| 06:13.23 | mwilson | "detect"? Depending on the age of the PB, it's either an ADB device or a USB device. End of problem. |
| 06:13.30 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): ok |
| 06:13.33 | nvz | calamari: usually people say a persons nick like that, though there is no rwilson here |
| 06:13.54 | calamari | nvz: interesting.. you're right :) |
| 06:13.56 | calamaro | :P |
| 06:14.01 | drwahl | ok... the PowerBook is roughly 5 days old, so i am guessing its USB |
| 06:14.01 | nvz | calamari: so I wonder why you take the time to type a nick of someone not here, as you cant be tab completing it |
| 06:14.15 | piem | maher: deborphan list the packages that are lacking a maintainer, nothing about dependancies. |
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| 06:14.40 | calamari | nvz: misread the nick |
| 06:14.48 | piem | maher: i am mistaking, sorry |
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| 06:15.32 | nvz | calamari: its m<tab> if you used a sane chat client like irssi, but for some you might have to type a few more letters like mw<tab> |
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| 06:15.42 | drwahl | i am also having reso problems on the PowerBook, i relize that it is an ATI, and ati isnt being to helpful with linux right now, but is there any way to install the drivers for my vid card? |
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| 06:15.59 | piem | maher: it does find what aptitude call 'old packages' indeed. |
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| 06:16.05 | bonez39 | can dpkg-reconfigure be run with any command line options such as --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim ??? |
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| 06:16.24 | Project | hey u can put debian on a mac mini right? |
| 06:16.25 | nvz | heh |
| 06:16.30 | piem | bonez39: nop :\ |
| 06:16.34 | m0rbid | ok, Bizarro_paco, do you have the kernel-source installed? |
| 06:16.37 | mwilson | "reso"? |
| 06:16.52 | drwahl | resolution |
| 06:16.56 | piem | Project: yes you can. |
| 06:16.56 | mysan | anyone here that uses dhcpcd and can run : lsof -Pni | grep dhcpcd , and paste it for me ? need to know wath this is and if its normal dhcpcd 11378 root 3u sock 0,4 7390 can't identify protocol |
| 06:16.57 | bonez39 | piem: is that --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim only for running the ./configure, make, make install trilogy? |
| 06:17.06 | Project | do u know much of it is supported? |
| 06:17.13 | mwilson | Then say "resolution". |
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| 06:17.23 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): no, i don't |
| 06:17.33 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: which kernel are you using? |
| 06:17.36 | piem | bonez39: probably used there, do apt-get source exim4 and look at the debian/rules ;) |
| 06:17.50 | mwilson | drwahl: If you must run Linux on a Mac, don't use Debian, run YDL. |
| 06:17.56 | drwahl | just did a net install, so should be the most current |
| 06:18.01 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:18.01 | Project | ydl? |
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| 06:18.10 | drwahl | yellow dog linux |
| 06:18.17 | Project | is it any good? |
| 06:18.23 | piem | Project: there are some issues about the soundcard apparently, read the threads on debian-powerpc this month or the last one |
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| 06:18.24 | drwahl | i actually havent used it |
| 06:18.25 | xam | mysan: my dhcpd only uses udp:67, as it should |
| 06:18.30 | drwahl | is there a net install for YDL? |
| 06:18.36 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: ok, apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8, install the one for you. |
| 06:18.49 | MrRusty | this sucks now it won't read my cd |
| 06:18.50 | mwilson | drwahl: Google is your friend. |
| 06:18.55 | cthulfuego | drwahl: CHeck the channel name. |
| 06:18.56 | S | in which package may i get these header-files? linux/autoconf.h and linux/version.h. A card driver source needs them. |
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| 06:19.18 | drwahl | lol, ya, i have practicalled killed google with my linux questions... |
| 06:19.35 | nvz | S: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:19.37 | MrRusty | whats the latest version of debian to dowload |
| 06:19.47 | nvz | MrRusty: define latest |
| 06:19.52 | drwahl | lol |
| 06:19.57 | S | nvz thank you again. I'll try it right now :) |
| 06:20.09 | MrRusty | as the most recent |
| 06:20.13 | nvz | MrRusty: latest stable is 3.0 Woody, latest testing is 3.1 Sarge, and latest unstable is as always sid |
| 06:20.19 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): question: if i am already using that kernel, why am i now installing the source? |
| 06:20.32 | piem | MrRusty: check out www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 06:20.36 | xam | MyRusty: there are at least 3 different 'versions' of debian, all being the latest |
| 06:20.45 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: it needs the kernel source to build its module. |
| 06:20.45 | nvz | amen |
| 06:21.10 | piem | m0rbid: the kernel headers are enough |
| 06:21.18 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): you mean that even though u are USING a kernel, it doesnt already have a source? |
| 06:21.22 | flurdoing | hello, can someone tell me if this is normal behavior: |
| 06:21.22 | flurdoing | d1f1:/var# cd //var |
| 06:21.22 | flurdoing | d1f1://var# cd ///var |
| 06:21.31 | jm_ | flurdoing: yes |
| 06:21.41 | jm_ | and don't patse here |
| 06:21.44 | flurdoing | sorry |
| 06:21.45 | jm_ | paste even |
| 06:21.49 | piem | Bizarro_paco: check out module-assistant, it will fetch all what you need for you |
| 06:21.57 | flurdoing | why does it do that? does // mean anything? |
| 06:22.07 | S | nvz... thank you again. You are solving problems that i have since months. |
| 06:22.09 | flurdoing | when i do ///var it returns /var |
| 06:22.20 | nvz | S: you've had them in the wrong place |
| 06:22.25 | Bizarro_paco | (piem): i already got it...thanks...i hope u guys are having fun with my obvious ignorance..LOL |
| 06:22.35 | jm_ | no, shell uses the path you supply if chdir succeeds |
| 06:22.41 | piem | flurdoing: this is a normal behaviour. // is / |
| 06:22.46 | nvz | S: thats what we are good at here, other than being wildly off-topic and comming up with good recipies |
| 06:22.53 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: it works? |
| 06:23.03 | flurdoing | piem / jm_ thats odd because ///var will succeed too, yet it will only return one / |
| 06:23.08 | m0rbid | grrr, one sec.. |
| 06:23.19 | piem | flurdoing: /// = // = / :) |
| 06:23.21 | jm_ | flurdoing: like I said, that depends on your shell, zsh will always write /var |
| 06:23.32 | m0rbid | hmmm |
| 06:23.39 | m0rbid | where does the damn thing install the suorce too |
| 06:23.41 | flurdoing | ah jm_ good point :P i'll go bug the bash ppl :) its tripping me out. |
| 06:23.45 | m0rbid | I cant seem to find it |
| 06:23.48 | piem | m0rbid: /usr/src/modules |
| 06:24.03 | S | ppl in other linux-channels out there don't help at all. Back to my little problems, do i have to link the new installed kernel-headers anywhere? |
| 06:24.33 | MrRusty | I'll giv the sarge-i386-9.iso a try |
| 06:24.36 | jm_ | S: no |
| 06:24.49 | m0rbid | Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/modules; You sure?? |
| 06:24.56 | nvz | something along those lines that pisses me off is that if /foo contains a link to /bar it shows /foo/bar when I cd to the link.. gets messy in a curses app or something where you are going back and forth between /foo and /bar using symlinks and end up in /foo/bar/foo/bar/foo/bar/foo/bar when you are really in /bar |
| 06:24.56 | piem | MrRusty: yep, and boot it with linux26 |
| 06:25.22 | MrRusty | say what! |
| 06:25.38 | OpenRealty | I have set sshd_config to PasswordAuthentication no and reloaded configuration and it still allows me to ssh in with passwords not just keys |
| 06:25.42 | MrRusty | thats under the f3 option right |
| 06:25.45 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): the source is installed, but the card doesnt work yet |
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| 06:26.11 | piem | MrRusty: yes, type f1 f2 f3, read it all, and boot 'linux26' |
| 06:26.25 | m0rbid | ok Bizarro_paco, look for the source tarball, prolly in /usr/src, if its there tar-jxvf kernel...... |
| 06:26.25 | piem | nvz: well you don't really want recursive links, but you can. |
| 06:26.36 | MrRusty | thanks I will... thanks for the help:-) |
| 06:26.57 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): okay..got it |
| 06:26.59 | m0rbid | but I think piem was right, the headers should have been sufficient, but I never tried it with them. |
| 06:27.09 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: ok one sec, im installing it with you. |
| 06:27.19 | piem | m0rbid: yep, module-assistant will fetch the module and header packages for you. |
| 06:27.22 | nvz | piem: I made a script that made a neat symlink tree to my music, the symlinks also contained statistics as well as sorting like Artists(165)/ etc.. and in cplay the path would get lost when surfing through it |
| 06:27.25 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): thanx...talk about customer support!LOL |
| 06:27.31 | m0rbid | (my pc is slow 200mhz) |
| 06:27.36 | m0rbid | sh'up, dont laugh |
| 06:27.42 | m0rbid | ok, laugh |
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| 06:27.45 | sword- | yo |
| 06:27.51 | piem | nvz: you should be able to avoid such recursive links though |
| 06:27.55 | sword- | any of you ever toyed with the pre emptive kernel option with 2.6.10? |
| 06:28.25 | jm_ | many people have |
| 06:28.32 | nvz | piem: I wanted to make it easy to goto Tracks*/ or other related dirs from a child dir without having to go back |
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| 06:29.00 | piem | nvz: use CDPATH |
| 06:29.01 | drp | what's a good X scp client |
| 06:29.03 | lilo | lastlog tor |
| 06:29.15 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): what?? dude, are you poor? |
| 06:29.23 | sword- | im using a desktop, im just wondering if i should enable pre-emptive kernel |
| 06:29.30 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: unfortunatly, yeah |
| 06:29.36 | nvz | piem: $CDPATH? |
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| 06:29.48 | nvz | drp: scp |
| 06:29.49 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: you got it untarred? |
| 06:29.58 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): it is untarring still |
| 06:30.00 | pgimeno | hi |
| 06:30.03 | nvz | lilo: / |
| 06:30.05 | nvz | :) |
| 06:30.08 | daniel12345 | hey im wondering how "winblows friendly" debian is. I'm compressing my NTFS XP drive to partition it with Partition Magic and if i choose debian will it be able to save my windows |
| 06:30.09 | piem | nvz: it should be documented in the bash manpage |
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| 06:31.21 | nvz | piem: cool, I'll keep that in mind. I've put it on ice, thinking about translating it to python and maybe even spawning new features |
| 06:31.22 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): wait a minute! u cant be that poor if you have a wireless broadband conection |
| 06:31.33 | pgimeno | in the last upgrade of Sarge the package libcurl2-dev refuses to install or uninstall; the error is a syntax error in install-docs |
| 06:31.40 | piem | nvz: export CDPATH=/foo where /foo contains bar. then from $HOME, you can run 'cd bar' and end up in /foo/bar |
| 06:31.41 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): (still untarring) |
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| 06:32.13 | pgimeno | any clue on what the affected file can be? |
| 06:32.15 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: I just dont have anything now. maybe in teh future, if someone decides to be nice. but as of now I cant afford a PC |
| 06:32.41 | neurotope | ok, im in gnome, is there a way to try different mouse settings while in gnome to see if one works? |
| 06:32.55 | piem | pgimeno: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcurl2-dev.postinst i guess |
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| 06:33.13 | nvz | neurotope: only if you install gpm, and set X to use /dev/gpmdata then restart X |
| 06:33.14 | pgimeno | thanks piem, I'll see if that helps |
| 06:33.22 | nvz | neurotope: then you can just reconfigure gpm |
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| 06:33.46 | neurotope | nvz: ok that went right over my head... |
| 06:33.49 | piem | pgimeno: could you paste the relevant error here? (keeping it small) |
| 06:33.49 | m0rbid | odd, make KSRC=/usr/src/kernel.blahblah doesnt work. |
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| 06:33.54 | m0rbid | now I am stuck |
| 06:34.16 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i have some killer software for you when the time comes |
| 06:34.38 | m0rbid | Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27; |
| 06:34.51 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i have tis store enar me called microcenter that always has good deals of mobos an such |
| 06:34.56 | piem | m0rbid: if you have a configured kernel source tree, go down into it, and run 'make-kpkg modules_image' |
| 06:35.04 | arango | I was using vga=ask to boot my kernel and now that I know I want to use setting 4 I would like to know what fixed value to use in vga= ? |
| 06:35.07 | piem | m0rbid: again here, m-a is your friend :) |
| 06:35.18 | jm_ | arango: doesn't it tell you? |
| 06:35.20 | m0rbid | piem: i never had this problem before. |
| 06:35.24 | AP03 | can anyone help me finish up a kernel install? i just ran it and it finished compiling, i think i just need to configure grub or somn |
| 06:35.56 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): OK, done |
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| 06:36.03 | arango | jm_: I don't know what to put in vga= when not using vga=ask |
| 06:36.04 | piem | AP03: did you use make-kpkg to compile it? |
| 06:36.21 | AP03 | piem: i ran make && make modules install |
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| 06:36.50 | piem | AP03: i would strongly advise you to run 'make-kpkg kernel_image' instead |
| 06:37.12 | piem | AP03: it will create a nice .deb in /usr/src that will update your grub/lilo as required |
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| 06:37.27 | m0rbid | piem: command not found =/ |
| 06:37.30 | AP03 | piem: it now says i will need to point my defaut entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.9 where can i look up how to od that? |
| 06:37.56 | piem | arango: next to the 4 in the ask mode, you should see a number, i think that's what you want |
| 06:37.57 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: hang on, im where you are, scratching your head, and to think I wrote the wiki for another distro on ndiswrapper.. |
| 06:38.28 | jm_ | arango: like I said, vga=ask tells you the number |
| 06:38.28 | m0rbid | make-kpkg ? |
| 06:38.32 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): that's cool...i am waiting...just let me know when you've got something |
| 06:38.36 | piem | m0rbid: what command sorry ? ah you will need to install kernel-package to get make-kpkg |
| 06:38.42 | m0rbid | ok |
| 06:39.13 | arango | jm_: ok, thanks |
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| 06:41.28 | m0rbid | piem: wtf is this asking me to do, omg! |
| 06:41.55 | piem | m0rbid: to adapt to your needs... |
| 06:42.04 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): BTW, the error i get when i run the COLUMNS=200 dpkg-l | grep kernel-headers-$(2.6.8) is "2.6.8 command not found |
| 06:42.06 | piem | m0rbid: i don't know !!! :) |
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| 06:42.41 | piem | Bizarro_paco: remove the $(), or replace 2.6.8 with uname -a |
| 06:43.07 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.22 | piem | nvz: true, uname -r :) |
| 06:43.40 | nvz | uname -a is a much larger string |
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| 06:43.51 | m0rbid | holy cow |
| 06:43.59 | piem | m0rbid: where where ?\ |
| 06:44.08 | nvz | !seen holycow |
| 06:44.08 | dpkg | holycow is currently on #debian (1h 56m). Has said a total of 14067 messages. Is idling for 31d 14h 10m 1s |
| 06:44.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:44.19 | piem | holycow: hello :) |
| 06:44.47 | m0rbid | haha |
| 06:44.52 | piem | nvz: looks like holycow is on strike |
| 06:45.07 | m0rbid | im gunna see what the kernel headers do |
| 06:45.26 | nvz | no, if holycow were on strike, they probably would have disconnected his internet in 31days |
| 06:45.32 | pgimeno | install-docs is failing to process this file: http://www.formauri.es/temp/libcurl-dev |
| 06:45.32 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): from the wiki |
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| 06:46.14 | xam | ggg: I asked ebay whether they shut down his account ... still waitling for an answer |
| 06:46.14 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: ahhh I got it now |
| 06:46.22 | simonrvn | he hasn't been idle for 31 days, either. |
| 06:46.24 | piem | nvz: thanks for remaining me, i really have to pay that bill :) |
| 06:46.28 | nvz | maybe someone +q him and he's been talking to himself for a month |
| 06:46.34 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i did, and nothing happens |
| 06:46.43 | xam | ggg: some of the images of the workstation are available here: |
| 06:46.44 | xam | http://www.imagehosting.com/images/dshort/ |
| 06:46.59 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: screw the kernel-source, piem was right, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.your.kernel.here, then goto where ndis was untarred, make &7 make install |
| 06:47.04 | pgimeno | I've checked the BTS but there's no bug report for libcurl2-dev, any idea on what's wrong with this file?: http://www.formauri.es/temp/libcurl-dev |
| 06:47.08 | xam | ooops, sorry, wrong channel |
| 06:47.24 | pgimeno | err http://www.formauri.es/temp/libcurl2-dev |
| 06:47.43 | m0rbid | ermm I mean make && make install |
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| 06:48.03 | piem | Bizarro_paco: or use the beautiful module-assistant menus if you are a bit lazy :) |
| 06:48.41 | m0rbid | yah, but once the headers are installed, he dont need to, itll build the module by itself. |
| 06:48.47 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): iokay..i am typing 'apt-get install kernel-hearders-2.6.8 |
| 06:49.02 | simonrvn | headers |
| 06:49.09 | nvz | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 06:49.10 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-headers-2.6.8' does not exist. |
| 06:49.14 | piem | m0rbid: but you would install it without making a package then, which will be a pain to upgrade it |
| 06:49.22 | nvz | even if you do spell it right |
| 06:49.42 | simonrvn | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8 sarge |
| 06:49.44 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-headers-2.6.8' does not exist. |
| 06:49.50 | m0rbid | piem: true, but I dont know how to do that. |
| 06:49.50 | nvz | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 |
| 06:49.52 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-headers-2.6.8-1' does not exist. |
| 06:50.10 | nvz | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 06:50.11 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: you need to grab the correct one you installed, apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 |
| 06:50.11 | nvz | even |
| 06:50.11 | wishie | i cant seem to build the nvidia kernel driver.. i keep getting the same error.. anyone able to help me ? |
| 06:50.14 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2: (Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.8), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sid), Packaged size: 2712 kB, Installed size: 23348 kB |
| 06:50.18 | nvz | heh |
| 06:50.24 | piem | m0rbid: i think ndiswrapper is a bit picky on the way you should invoke it, but module-assistant should do it right |
| 06:50.30 | nvz | I forgot they are -2 now |
| 06:50.38 | m0rbid | piem: I never did it that way |
| 06:50.47 | m0rbid | I just made the module, then told ndis tro save it. |
| 06:50.50 | nvz | if your kernel isnt -2 the headers wont match |
| 06:50.56 | piem | m0rbid: just run module-assistant as root, and go throught the steps. it is really easier i found. |
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| 06:51.26 | m0rbid | well, I got it to at least compile, I dont have the card now, soooo, I went as far as I can |
| 06:51.28 | AP03 | can anyone help: just compiled the kernel and need to figure out how to make the initrd? |
| 06:51.29 | nvz | I had that problem here recently.. had 2.4.27-1 and went to fetch the 2.4.27 headers which is now 2.4.27-2 and had to install the 2.4.27-2 kernel to build a module |
| 06:51.37 | m0rbid | once he gets the modules loaded, I can continue |
| 06:51.42 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): o am installing them right now |
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| 06:52.19 | nvz | I dont know why it wouldnt just upgrade from 2.4.27-1 to 2.4.27-2 |
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| 06:52.59 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): o am installing them right now |
| 06:53.01 | m0rbid | dont feel bad, I installed the headers for 2.4.27-586tsc and it grabbed two of them |
| 06:53.05 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): done! |
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| 06:53.20 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: did you run make in teh ndiswrapper directory? |
| 06:53.31 | nvz | yeah because thats a meta package |
| 06:53.40 | m0rbid | nvz: ahh I c |
| 06:53.47 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): no..BUT, the command i told you about before?..it works now |
| 06:53.47 | nvz | there is only one kernel-headers for each kernel version, the arch doesnt matter |
| 06:53.58 | nvz | those are all meta packages AFAIK |
| 06:54.02 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: ok, follow thy wiki, should be ok now. |
| 06:54.31 | kaplanfx | hi, I originally setup my hostname as a non-qualified domain name (kapbox) but now I have kapbox.homelinux.org and exim is giving me probs sending mail from my phpbb. Problem is if I change /etc/hostname lots of stuff breaks. is there a *safe* way to do this? |
| 06:54.41 | simonrvn | kernel-headers are text... |
| 06:54.44 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): okay....thanx..BTW, where can i learn more about headers and things? |
| 06:55.13 | nvz | school |
| 06:55.14 | nvz | heh |
| 06:56.16 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: by staying in here, becoming a benchwarmer, adn reading shit as it flys by. |
| 06:56.44 | drwahl | while trying to config my XF86Config file on my PowerBook, i noticed that it could not config a file, so it created one. does this mean that the file was not created during install? |
| 06:56.45 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): i can do that! |
| 06:56.47 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: aftger loading the driver, dont forget to ndiswrapper -m |
| 06:56.50 | nvz | or just pipe it into festival --tts |
| 06:57.02 | nvz | thats what I do when I dont want to read something |
| 06:57.10 | Bizarro_paco | (m0rbid): but u said the driver i was using is wrong |
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| 06:57.30 | piem | kaplanfx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:57.42 | m0rbid | Bizarro_paco: inmost cases, it should be named NET0000.inf |
| 06:57.51 | m0rbid | replace 0000 with whatever it says. |
| 06:58.19 | kaplanfx | piem: the problem is not exim, its changing my hostname (from kapbox to kaplanfx.homelinux.org) such that progs dependent on the hostname don't break |
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| 06:58.44 | m0rbid | damn I am hungry |
| 06:58.48 | m0rbid | time for some ramen |
| 06:58.53 | m0rbid | brb |
| 07:00.55 | drwahl | while trying to config my XF86Config file on my PowerBook, i noticed that it could not config a file, so it created one. does this mean that the file was not created during install? |
| 07:01.19 | piem | kaplanfx: just make sure /etc/hostname is correct, and run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 07:01.46 | piem | kaplanfx: you will still need to make sure exim4-config uses this fqdn too |
| 07:01.55 | AP03 | please can someone point to a good link to install a deb kernel from source? i have the .deb file and .bz2 source file |
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| 07:03.38 | piem | AP03: http://wiki.debian.net/?BuildYourOwnKernel |
| 07:03.56 | AP03 | piem: thanks! |
| 07:04.28 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 07:04.42 | AP03 | piem: 1 more question: i have a predone menuconfig, how do i use that? |
| 07:04.51 | calamari_ | I'm having trouble removing samba.. any ideas? "Removing samba ... invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba dpkg: error processing samba (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" |
| 07:04.57 | wishie | AP03: you got the .config file ? |
| 07:05.22 | Bizarro_paco | (piem): on the wiki page, it mentions the word 'fakeroot" when i type it in, it says command not found. |
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| 07:05.32 | jm_ | calamari_: you removed /etc/init.d/samba, right? |
| 07:05.33 | AP03 | wishie: yes, i went to a site with the exact same setup as me, same hw and all |
| 07:05.50 | wishie | hmm, if you trust it, chuck it in the untarred kernel source dir. |
| 07:05.56 | calamari_ | jm_: not that I know of |
| 07:05.59 | AP03 | as .config? |
| 07:06.05 | wishie | so you'd have /usr/src/linux-blah/.config |
| 07:06.05 | piem | AP03: that should be fine, copy your config file to /usr/src/kernel-source-<version>/.config |
| 07:06.13 | piem | AP03: then make menuconfig |
| 07:06.19 | jm_ | calamari_: then someone has modified /etc/rc2.d/S91samba link, see what it points to |
| 07:06.21 | wishie | piem: make oldconfig ? |
| 07:06.21 | piem | Bizarro_paco: apt-get install fakeroot :) |
| 07:06.33 | AP03 | piem: what is make menuconfig for? |
| 07:06.34 | Bizarro_paco | (piem): thanx |
| 07:06.34 | xeron | how do I add an existing user to an existing group? |
| 07:06.42 | piem | wishie: yes, make oldconfig works too |
| 07:06.51 | wishie | AP03: it loads the menuconfig with the defaults found in .config |
| 07:06.59 | wishie | so you can just then "exit" menuconfig |
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| 07:07.09 | piem | AP03: make menuconfig compiles a small menu to let you select what you want in your kernel |
| 07:07.24 | calamari_ | jm_: oops.. I just deleted the symlink.. fixed it though! :) |
| 07:07.25 | AP03 | piem: there is no sign of make menuconfig in this wiki page? where should i do it? |
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| 07:07.34 | AP03 | piem: nm |
| 07:07.41 | calamari_ | jm_: thanks for your help |
| 07:08.06 | piem | AP03: yep, step 3, it is mentionned |
| 07:08.28 | m0rbid | whats a good console email fetcher? |
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| 07:08.41 | piem | m0rbid: fetchmail |
| 07:08.51 | Halahad | can not load alsa module...anyone can help me out??? |
| 07:08.59 | bonez39 | is there a debian-exim group anywhere? |
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| 07:09.10 | FraudulentPeanut | how do i get kernel 2.6.10 on install? |
| 07:09.16 | m0rbid | Halahad: you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 07:09.34 | m0rbid | FraudulentPeanut: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10 |
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| 07:09.54 | Halahad | alsa-utils? lemme see |
| 07:10.34 | Halahad | alsa-utils is already the newest version |
| 07:10.41 | m0rbid | Halahad: alsaconf |
| 07:10.47 | FraudulentPeanut | which release comes with 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:10.48 | m0rbid | Halahad: I mean run alsaconf |
| 07:11.06 | m0rbid | FraudulentPeanut: debian release?? none. |
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| 07:11.18 | piem | FraudulentPeanut: you can get linux26 installing sarge rc2 |
| 07:11.20 | FraudulentPeanut | they are all 2.4? |
| 07:11.24 | simonrvn | sarge d-i you can choose 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 07:11.39 | sword- | hey |
| 07:11.42 | piem | default is 2.4 |
| 07:11.47 | m0rbid | oh?! I didnt know that! |
| 07:11.55 | sword- | is berkeley packet filtering under a different name in 2.6.10 |
| 07:11.58 | sword- | ? |
| 07:12.12 | Halahad | sound driver is configuring now ...thx m0rbid |
| 07:12.15 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 07:12.30 | m0rbid | Halahad: np |
| 07:12.33 | piem | sword-: most likely. what was it called in 2.4? |
| 07:12.40 | sword- | I'm not sure heh |
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| 07:12.47 | sword- | im looking at my kernel config |
| 07:12.50 | Halahad | still can not change the sound volume |
| 07:12.52 | sword- | for 2.6.10 and i dont see it |
| 07:13.00 | m0rbid | Halahad: apt-get install alsamixer |
| 07:13.19 | m0rbid | or apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 07:13.36 | Halahad | alsamixer? |
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| 07:14.14 | AP03 | piem: i am now doing a make-kpkg. before when i did make&&make modules install it took about an hour, how long will the make-dpkg take? |
| 07:14.26 | AP03 | piem: about as long huh? |
| 07:14.33 | piem | AP03: about that long indeed :) |
| 07:14.46 | Halahad | gotcha |
| 07:14.55 | piem | AP03: it may save you some time if you forgot some things |
| 07:15.07 | AP03 | piem: but the dpkg -i is pretty swift right? |
| 07:15.34 | piem | AP03: yes and you can keep/manage different versions easily |
| 07:16.05 | AP03 | piem: well i will let this go for the night and dpkg away in the morning. thank you for all your help thus far! |
| 07:16.10 | wishie | ahh, make-kpkg rocks |
| 07:16.24 | wishie | just made kernel headers,source,image, modules image heh |
| 07:16.42 | piem | AP03: welcome :) |
| 07:17.03 | drwahl | on my powerbook, when i installed, it didnt recognize the touchpad, how would i go about installing that? |
| 07:17.22 | m0rbid | drwahl: you can try to install mdetect. |
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| 07:17.36 | AP03 | drwahl: i would try the steps this guy took: http://www.celifornia.com/documents/dell700m.html |
| 07:17.43 | AP03 | drwahl: it worked for me! |
| 07:17.44 | m0rbid | drwahl: or *shivers* discover. |
| 07:18.01 | AP03 | drwahl: although i fear it might be different for your powerbook |
| 07:18.02 | drwahl | k thanks |
| 07:18.09 | drwahl | we'll see |
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| 07:18.22 | drwahl | i just ot this thing, and i installed Sarge on it |
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| 07:18.47 | AP03 | drwahl: why linux? you have os x! |
| 07:18.59 | m0rbid | O.O |
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| 07:19.11 | m0rbid | hmmm |
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| 07:19.21 | m0rbid | I need to put a better video card in here if I am gunna use x |
| 07:19.33 | lightfoot | Has any one installed udev and Alsa peacefully? |
| 07:19.35 | arango | How can I boot my kernel if grub is overwritten from the MBR ? |
| 07:19.38 | m0rbid | I have a 32mb card, but x only loads the default vga driver |
| 07:19.58 | m0rbid | lightfoot: not in debian. |
| 07:20.03 | m0rbid | well i havent at elast |
| 07:20.05 | jm_ | arango: with a grub floppy |
| 07:20.23 | arango | jm_: how about a CD ? |
| 07:20.34 | arango | jm_: knoppix ? |
| 07:20.49 | drwahl | OS X isnt that great |
| 07:21.02 | jm_ | arango: that will work too, but you'll have to chroot and install grub from there |
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| 07:21.30 | arango | jm_: Isnt there a faster way ? |
| 07:21.36 | m0rbid | Anyone know of a module/driver for a Stealth III S540 PCI 32mb video card? |
| 07:21.37 | lightfoot | The features of udev look very nice and all my other hardware work fine it's just both my alsa cards fail to work. Oh well maybe a few versions later I'll try again |
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| 07:21.45 | jm_ | arango: what's slow about that? |
| 07:21.46 | simonrvn | lightfoot: should work |
| 07:21.59 | arango | jm: I don't know all the steps |
| 07:22.06 | AP03 | one last question: when sshing to my box it asks username/pass but when i enter declines always! why? |
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| 07:22.15 | jm_ | arango: the fastest way would be to use a GRUB floppy and then reinstall GRUB |
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| 07:22.31 | m0rbid | AP03: with an auth error? |
| 07:22.35 | fcrick | the link 2.6.10 on the main kernel.org is a patch...is that a patch to the 2.6.9 release? |
| 07:22.52 | Halahad | m0rbid: no sound at all |
| 07:23.05 | AP03 | m0rbid: says access denied! |
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| 07:23.11 | m0rbid | Halahad: in xmms? |
| 07:23.23 | Halahad | nah |
| 07:23.23 | m0rbid | AP03: is the daemon running? do you have access? |
| 07:23.24 | arango | jm_: Don't have a floopy, I have knoppix, suse install cd, fedora CDs, debian netinstall. I was hoping that one of those would have the option of booting a kernel from the HD |
| 07:23.31 | m0rbid | Halahad: which program? |
| 07:23.33 | Halahad | i mean the mixer |
| 07:23.35 | AP03 | m0rbid: how to check i have access |
| 07:23.50 | AP03 | i mean i have access |
| 07:23.58 | AP03 | how do i check? |
| 07:24.00 | Halahad | can not change the sound volume |
| 07:24.23 | m0rbid | Halahad: run adduser YOU audio, then run alsamixer again |
| 07:24.39 | Maulkin | http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html |
| 07:24.44 | Maulkin | Ack, sorry, ww |
| 07:24.50 | Halahad | k....lemme try. |
| 07:25.37 | arango | jm_: Can I burn a grub CD ? |
| 07:25.37 | m0rbid | AP03: itr could be a numnber of things, wrong pass maybe? |
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| 07:25.37 | piem | Halahad: you would need to log in / log out for the group changes to take effect (or just 'su $USER') |
| 07:25.37 | AP03 | m0rbid: definitely not wrong pass |
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| 07:25.47 | piem | AP03: you are not trying to log as root are you ? |
| 07:26.03 | m0rbid | piem: that was my next question |
| 07:26.03 | AP03 | piem: ive tried root and another user to no avail |
| 07:26.03 | m0rbid | lol |
| 07:26.33 | m0rbid | AP03: you trying it with ssh user@host command? |
| 07:26.40 | Halahad | hmm...already in the audio group by default. |
| 07:26.44 | AP03 | no thru putty |
| 07:26.45 | jm_ | arango: it's trivial to create a GRUB floppy in any of those |
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| 07:26.59 | piem | m0rbid: make sure sshd is running there. |
| 07:27.13 | arango | jm_: Don't have a floopy drive |
| 07:27.23 | Halahad | it says FATAL: Module alsa not found. |
| 07:27.23 | piem | m0rbid: that was for AP03 of course :) |
| 07:27.32 | m0rbid | piem: yah I figured that =) |
| 07:27.46 | AP03 | m0rbid: how to ensure sshd running? |
| 07:27.49 | simonrvn | Halahad: of course |
| 07:27.51 | jm_ | arango: then you'll have to deal with other methods |
| 07:27.59 | piem | AP03: pgrep sshd |
| 07:28.11 | simonrvn | Halahad: modprobe snd-yourdriver |
| 07:28.16 | AP03 | piem: ya got 3 #s back |
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| 07:28.44 | m0rbid | Halahad: which kernel you using? |
| 07:29.01 | Halahad | ... 2.6.8-1 |
| 07:29.05 | m0rbid | hmm |
| 07:29.31 | Halahad | kernel 2.6.8-10 |
| 07:29.31 | piem | AP03: looks good. someone is logged in then |
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| 07:29.34 | AP03 | how to stop sshd? |
| 07:29.42 | dondelelcaro | AP03: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 07:29.45 | m0rbid | /etc/init.d/sshd start|stop |
| 07:29.45 | arango | jm_: Once I mount / and chroot into it, what is the command to re-write grub to the MBR ? |
| 07:29.52 | m0rbid | erk, remove the 'd' |
| 07:30.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell AP03 about debian reference |
| 07:30.26 | jm_ | arango: read stuff in /usr/share/doc/grub, man grub-install |
| 07:30.28 | dondelelcaro | AP03: basic questions like that are covered in the Debian reference which dpkg just told you about. |
| 07:31.21 | AP03 | m0rbid: restarted daemon still says access denied! |
| 07:32.10 | AP03 | any last glimpses of hope/ |
| 07:32.10 | AP03 | ? |
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| 07:32.52 | mike_ | hi, how do i reconfigure the base system if i accidently pressed cancel while manually selecting packages??? |
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| 07:33.20 | toutmou | Anyone know how to install Debian on SATA drive ? |
| 07:33.31 | piem | mike_: could it be tasksel that you need ? |
| 07:33.42 | mike_ | ok, i'll try it, thanks |
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| 07:34.08 | mike_ | thats the one |
| 07:34.13 | mike_ | thanks heaps mate |
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| 07:34.52 | piem | toutmou: read Q8 at http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerFAQ |
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| 07:35.07 | toutmou | ok |
| 07:35.58 | m0rbid | Anyone know why a trackball on a serial adpater works, but no other ps/2 mice will?? |
| 07:36.13 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:36.34 | toutmou | piem, I've already tried that :/ |
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| 07:36.58 | m0rbid | well, uhmm, guess Im screwed and stuck with conoles apps for life. |
| 07:37.05 | jm_ | m0rbid: because PS/2 is not serial |
| 07:37.09 | m0rbid | console* |
| 07:37.23 | piem | toutmou: all of them ? do you have a GA-K8NS ? |
| 07:37.26 | m0rbid | jm_: its still on a serial adapter, no it would have to use a serial module no? |
| 07:37.39 | jm_ | m0rbid: you don't have a ps/2 port? |
| 07:37.41 | toutmou | nop it seems to be a Promise Fast Track |
| 07:37.44 | m0rbid | ps/2 -> serial adapter |
| 07:37.48 | m0rbid | jm_: no =/ |
| 07:38.03 | Jenns | Hey guys, I'm setting up a debian box for a friend and he wants it to log in automatically as his user on the ttys. Is that even possible? |
| 07:38.11 | m0rbid | I know, my PC is old, but untill I get my laptop back its all I have. |
| 07:38.12 | jm_ | m0rbid: well how did you test this? |
| 07:38.22 | bob2 | Jenns: yes, but annoying and tedious |
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| 07:38.33 | Jenns | bob2: I was afraid of that |
| 07:38.34 | piem | toutmou: it seems supported: http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 07:38.41 | bob2 | Jenns: what's the point? |
| 07:38.53 | Jenns | no idea :-) |
| 07:39.00 | Jenns | its not a big deal for me |
| 07:39.00 | m0rbid | jm_: the trackball is on it now, which is ps/2, and it works fine, but when i try other ps/2 mice, they dont work at all. |
| 07:39.07 | m0rbid | jm_: in gpm or x |
| 07:39.21 | toutmou | and i've juste download sarge full iso, net install, booting with kernel 2.4 or 2.6, and I can't change anything related to SATA in the BIOS |
| 07:39.24 | jm_ | m0rbid: did you see if you get any data back from the port? |
| 07:39.31 | jm_ | see=check |
| 07:39.49 | m0rbid | jm_: howso? |
| 07:39.58 | piem | m0rbid: yeah, try 'xdd /dev/input/mice' |
| 07:40.06 | zignig | bleh! |
| 07:40.20 | jm_ | m0rbid: well something like od /dev/ttyS0 (or /dev/input/mice if you're using 2.6 kernel) |
| 07:40.30 | piem | m0rbid: xxd even |
| 07:40.34 | bob2 | toutmou: it should be detected as an IDEA controller just fine |
| 07:40.43 | bob2 | toutmou: note that it is not a RAID controller, despite what the box says |
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| 07:41.26 | unixfool_ | is there a option to apt to have it automatically remove any packages to resolve a conflict? |
| 07:41.32 | unixfool_ | instead of asking? |
| 07:41.47 | unixfool_ | -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew --yes --force-yes --fix-broken, isnt enough I guess |
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| 07:42.05 | toutmou | I'll retry ... I may forget something .. |
| 07:43.00 | bob2 | none of those will help |
| 07:43.07 | m0rbid | jm_: they both return input/output error, but the trackball works in gpm now. |
| 07:43.18 | bob2 | and if you mean "conflict" a in file conflict, then nothing will help |
| 07:43.43 | jm_ | m0rbid: then you have used wrong port I suppose |
| 07:44.04 | unixfool_ | bob2, yes, I mean a conflict package |
| 07:44.10 | unixfool_ | bob2, theres no force or anything? |
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| 07:44.21 | m0rbid | jm_: I tried ttyS0 and ttyS1 |
| 07:44.32 | bob2 | unixfool_: nope, hit the idiot that made the package |
| 07:45.12 | m0rbid | jm_: wait, sorry ttyS0 returns data with the trackball, lemme try other mice. |
| 07:45.26 | ircdevil | hmmmm? pressing submit button on this page results in a Galeon warning box: document contains no data. but the submit button works from dillo. what causes this? |
| 07:45.28 | Halahad | type modprobe snd-intel8x0 in the terminal then some error message come out: Error inserting snd_page_alloc Invalid module format |
| 07:45.45 | Halahad | something like this blahblah |
| 07:46.01 | bob2 | yeah, paraphrasing error messages will make it easy to help |
| 07:46.05 | unixfool_ | bob2, its not the packages, i want to prevent apt from reading from stdin |
| 07:46.14 | unixfool_ | bob2, and it always asks for this |
| 07:46.27 | bob2 | unixfool_: always asks for what? |
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| 07:46.57 | unixfool_ | if it wants me to remove package foo that conflicts with bar |
| 07:47.25 | Halahad | help me pls... no sound output after installing alsa module |
| 07:47.44 | thu | i am getting the error "the document contains no data." when trying to access my newly installed tomcat server http://serverName.com:8080 any ideas? |
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| 07:48.09 | ircdevil | !faq Halahad |
| 07:48.10 | dpkg | Halahad: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 07:48.14 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 07:48.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:48.39 | m0rbid | jm_: only the trackball returns data |
| 07:48.42 | ircdevil | thu: i get the same error: i guess the internet ran dry' |
| 07:48.54 | bob2 | Halahad: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 07:49.06 | jm_ | m0rbid: then there's an issue with your mice, adapter or they just can't be used with the adapter |
| 07:49.21 | Halahad | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 07:49.30 | thu | ircdevil: the weird thing is, it initially worked and now for some reason i get that error |
| 07:49.34 | Halahad | kernel-2.6.8-10 |
| 07:50.28 | Halahad | i cnt load snd card driver it says "invalid module format" |
| 07:50.40 | ircdevil | thu: try fill out this form and see if you get the same error: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/InterProScan/ |
| 07:50.50 | simonrvn | Halahad: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 07:50.53 | ircdevil | thu: never mind the email addy |
| 07:51.21 | Halahad | the module was generated by module-assitant |
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| 07:51.59 | thu | ircdevil:i do get the same message |
| 07:52.13 | ircdevil | thu: using galeon ? |
| 07:52.33 | Halahad | module-init-tools is already the newest version |
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| 07:55.04 | ircdevil | !dpkg xp |
| 07:55.05 | dpkg | Whoooz the man? Bubba is about to run away with your money again! Or ask me about ".NET". XP is not a brand name, it's an emoticon, or http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/default.html, or <tarzeau> windows xp isn't modern! it's just new, or the best Linux and BSD compatible CPU currently out, or http://www.extremeprogramming.org/, or xtra pr0n, or http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/images/logos/paranoiaxp.jpg |
| 07:55.21 | toutmou | well, when the DebianInstaller try to detect hardware, it say that some modules are missing (ide-scsi, ide-detect, ide-mod, ide-floppy,....) |
| 07:55.31 | ircdevil | !seen xp |
| 07:55.32 | dpkg | xp <~knoppix@66-52-107-152.stkn.saber.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 98d 12h 58m 39s ago, saying: 'can anyone help me?'. |
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| 08:05.56 | thu | i cant remember who i was talking to about the tomcat error message "the document contains no data: |
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| 08:06.38 | thu | but i figured out that the problem was that i had another application listening on port 8080 already, when i cahnge server.xml to listen to port 8090 everything worked |
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| 08:10.16 | aizak | can anyone guide me to where i can download the dvd image for debian testing can't find a link from debian.org |
| 08:10.24 | yourdon_ | !dpkg alsa |
| 08:10.24 | dpkg | alsa is, like, On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 08:14.22 | arango | every time I boot windows it overwrites GRUB from the MBR. Can this be stoped ? |
| 08:14.45 | cthulfuego | arango: Uh, no it doesn't. |
| 08:14.58 | followmearound | yes it does |
| 08:15.11 | followmearound | err, actually ... cthulfuego is right, it only should do that on install |
| 08:15.23 | cthulfuego | !lart followmearound |
| 08:15.24 | Maxzorin123 | arango: clearly any program that behaves like that is a virus, remove the virus from you system and you will be fine |
| 08:15.42 | cthulfuego | Windows is shit and broken, but it doesn't overwite the mbr on bootup <heh> |
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| 08:16.18 | Diablo | arango> have you tried smartboot? |
| 08:16.27 | Maxzorin123 | cthulfuego "Windows is shit and broken" sounds like something I would want to spend time on preserving on my system |
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| 08:17.39 | cthulfuego | Maxzorin123: That is entirely up to you. |
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| 08:19.27 | arango | Diablo: don't know what that is .... what is it ? |
| 08:19.38 | Maxzorin123 | I for one would contend myself to bannishing windows to an old P3 you can pick up for a hundred fifty bucks |
| 08:19.40 | Diablo | is a smart boot loader |
| 08:20.01 | Diablo | do a google search |
| 08:20.54 | Diablo | maxzo> and i uess u r winodws would have a genuine licence? |
| 08:20.56 | Diablo | :-) |
| 08:21.03 | arango | Does grub work if I install it on the linux partition instead of the MBR ? |
| 08:21.13 | yourdon_ | one more question. how to control sound volume ??? must run alsamixer(gui)\?? |
| 08:21.16 | Maxzorin123 | of course |
| 08:21.29 | cthulfuego | arango: Yes, but be sure to mark the partition bootable. |
| 08:21.31 | Maxzorin123 | you can transer licenses between machines |
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| 08:21.34 | benjamindees | something is knackered with Courier and pam; gives me "Login failed" all of a sudden even though the password is correct; Woody with security updates |
| 08:21.37 | Maxzorin123 | if you take windows off the first machine |
| 08:21.40 | Maxzorin123 | its totally legit |
| 08:21.45 | Halahad | can i use gnome-volume-control??? |
| 08:21.47 | Maxzorin123 | as only as the license was legal in the first place |
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| 08:21.52 | cthulfuego | Maxzorin123: wtf would you run iwndows on SLOW hardware? |
| 08:22.06 | arango | cthulfueg: and can grub still bot windows that way ? |
| 08:22.10 | nite613 | how can I see all versions of a package that are available |
| 08:22.11 | nite613 | ? |
| 08:22.29 | Maxzorin123 | no, I would run Mac OSX on fast harware, Linux and both fast and slow hardware, and not run windows if you put a gun to my head |
| 08:22.35 | arango | cthulfuego: and can grub still bot windows that way ? |
| 08:22.40 | peterS | nite613: 'apt-cache show' |
| 08:22.47 | atp | oh come now, Windows isn't *that* bad, Maxzorin123 |
| 08:22.50 | cthulfuego | arango: The way I've got things set up, I installed grb to the MBR, then copied the mbr to file with 'dd'. I've got the file sitting in boot.ini in windows, so either way I can access everything. |
| 08:23.00 | mike_ | hi, im just trying to set up iptables. anyone quickly know how i change the target to SNAT? |
| 08:23.16 | cthulfuego | Maxzorin123: MacOS X doesn't run on AMD64 yet. |
| 08:23.36 | Maxzorin123 | I have A G5 |
| 08:23.43 | Maxzorin123 | which id does run on |
| 08:23.44 | nite613 | peterS: thanks |
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| 08:24.12 | nevyn | Maxzorin123: not according to MS it's not. |
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| 08:24.15 | cthulfuego | And another G3 which it doesn't run on. |
| 08:24.40 | arango | cthulfuego: you copied the MBR to boot.ini ? |
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| 08:25.09 | cthulfuego | arango: Yes. you run 'dd if=/dev/hda of=bootsect.dsk bs=512 count=1' and voila. |
| 08:25.21 | cthulfuego | arango: Plonk that on C:\ |
| 08:25.32 | cthulfuego | arango: And add C:\bootsect.dsk to boot.ini |
| 08:25.48 | ardy | How do I get kde to work with alsa+kmix? |
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| 08:27.23 | arango | cthulfuego: were you having the same problem I was ? Or what was the purpose of you doing that ? |
| 08:27.40 | valdyn_ | ardy: kmix? |
| 08:27.55 | cthulfuego | arango: No, I wasn't having the same problem. Oh, is your anti-virus software fucking up the MBR? |
| 08:27.59 | simonrvn | kmixer, or dmix? |
| 08:28.15 | ardy | valdynL no dmix is an alsa module that allows you to have multiple alsa devices connected at the same time |
| 08:28.19 | arango | cthulfuego: it could be |
| 08:28.24 | valdyn_ | !dmix |
| 08:28.24 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 08:28.30 | simonrvn | arango: it's built in. not a module |
| 08:28.44 | valdyn_ | and configure artsd to use the dmix device in kde control panel |
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| 08:29.32 | ardy | simonrvn: yeah I have it set up and it works fine with multiple instances of alsaplayer and timidity but the KDE sound system doesn't work.. it wants complete control |
| 08:29.45 | ardy | can I fake it some how? |
| 08:30.00 | valdyn_ | ardy: oh and for some funky reason, configuration is systemwide stored in /etc/asound.conf BUT for users in ~/.asoundrc |
| 08:30.13 | simonrvn | kde's "sound system" is crap. it was developed before alsa dmix. it's useless with it |
| 08:30.19 | Maxzorin123 | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xpactiv.mspx#EGAA |
| 08:30.22 | Maxzorin123 | it can be done |
| 08:30.29 | Maxzorin123 | you can transfer licenses between machines |
| 08:30.36 | Maxzorin123 | you have to reactivate |
| 08:30.37 | Maxzorin123 | and call them |
| 08:30.39 | lightfoot | Yeah just turn KDE sound system off. |
| 08:30.44 | Maxzorin123 | which is a pain in the ass |
| 08:30.47 | Maxzorin123 | but its not impossible |
| 08:30.49 | arango | can you paste what you have in your boot.ini ? |
| 08:30.56 | simonrvn | Maxzorin123: do you see windoze in the channel name? |
| 08:30.57 | cthulfuego | Maxzorin123: It's also COMPLETELY not on topic here. |
| 08:31.11 | valdyn_ | ardy: it doesnt want complete control, just configure it to use dmix |
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| 08:31.52 | Maxzorin123 | who is it not on topic, I was told by someone that you cannot transfer licenses between machines, I was just posting evidence to the contrary, |
| 08:32.06 | ardy | simonrvn: so what should I use for sound? I tried eSound and it sounded like crap (theres a bug report about it I found later) and Jackd would never work properly and was a pain in the ass (it has to be ran as the same user as the client app) |
| 08:32.24 | ardy | valdyn_: how do I configure arts to use dmix? |
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| 08:32.50 | valdyn_ | ardy: in the kde control panel |
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| 08:32.57 | lightfoot | What applications do you use for media players/ |
| 08:33.26 | deadcat | mplayer/xine/vlc |
| 08:33.27 | cthulfuego | The dvd player in the living room. |
| 08:33.38 | bob2 | cplay for music, mplayer for video |
| 08:33.48 | cthulfuego | I don't know what it runs, mail B&O to find out. |
| 08:33.51 | ardy | valdyn_: It crashes when you select alsa in the 'sound system' when dmix id setup in asound... |
| 08:34.08 | deadcat | bob2: it is possible to make q to quit instead of Q in cplay? |
| 08:34.21 | bob2 | deadcat: q is exit-with-confirmation |
| 08:34.36 | ardy | valdyn_: So I have it connected to emulated OSS but that sucks too because then it waits when ever another app uses alsa and does not play sound at the same time... |
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| 08:35.21 | lightfoot | set up your media players to use alsa devices and just turn the KDE sound system off unless you like the WM audio feedback. |
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| 08:35.37 | deadcat | bob2: i want q to quit without confirmation. |
| 08:35.41 | valdyn_ | ardy: it uses dmix just fine for me, you may have to adjust settings, in KControl - Sound & Multimedia - Sound System - Hardware : specify the correct device / sample rate |
| 08:35.44 | arango | cthulfuego: can you paste what you have in your boot.ini ? |
| 08:36.01 | bob2 | deadcat: can't see an obvious way to change it from the config file, I'd probably just hack the source for it |
| 08:36.02 | ardy | valdyn_: what are your settings |
| 08:36.09 | cthulfuego | arango: maybe |
| 08:36.21 | valdyn_ | ardy: my device is "default" |
| 08:36.54 | ardy | valdyn_: huh.... my options are OSS, ALSA, eSound and Jack? |
| 08:36.56 | deadcat | bob2: ok |
| 08:37.10 | ardy | valdyn_: with ful duplex selected |
| 08:37.17 | valdyn_ | ardy: and below that you can select a device |
| 08:37.19 | ardy | and quality at default |
| 08:37.37 | valdyn_ | ardy: try w/o full duplex first |
| 08:37.39 | ardy | valdyn_": so just put in default? |
| 08:37.57 | valdyn_ | ardy: that is what I did |
| 08:38.09 | ardy | valdyn_: shit!!! it workd... thanks!!!! |
| 08:38.15 | paster | "cthulfuego" at 150.101.167.241 pasted "boot.ini" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/258 |
| 08:38.47 | arango | cthulfuego: I just need the section dealing with C:\bootsect.dsk |
| 08:39.27 | valdyn_ | ardy: your asoundrc might not specify the proper recording device for full duplex to work or somesuch, but you probably don't need it anyway |
| 08:39.28 | ardy | valdyn_: I still have a problem with Linux and sounds in games such as doom 3 |
| 08:40.14 | valdyn_ | ardy: no idea about doom 3, but i can confirm that it seems to be problematic |
| 08:40.26 | valdyn_ | ardy: try "aoss doom3" |
| 08:40.29 | deadcat | bob2: damn. cplay is python (= |
| 08:40.35 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 08:40.52 | deadcat | bob2: HAHAH i was gonna get the source and COMPILE (= |
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| 08:41.03 | ardy | valdyn_: yeah I tried.. they say it uses alsa but how do I get it to not map to /dev/dsp and have it map to default |
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| 08:42.24 | valdyn_ | ardy: you tried aoss ? |
| 08:42.50 | toutmou | hum is it possible that my sata controler is ATI RX480 ? |
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| 08:43.24 | ardy | valdyn_:yeah... actually looking at the output it uses OSS |
| 08:43.39 | valdyn_ | ardy: no, it just thinks it uses oss |
| 08:43.46 | drac | ardy: apt-get install alsa-oss and put this to your ~/.doom3/base/DoomConfig.cfg: seta s_driver "oss" |
| 08:43.57 | brad` | Can someone tell me what cpu use "top" cannot show? like when i've got 0% idle and top only accounts for 10% |
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| 08:45.10 | ardy | drac: Ok I'll try but I'm not using the debian package because I have oss emulate installed in my kernel... (custom kernel) |
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| 08:45.55 | lightfoot | Doom3 has alsa support now? |
| 08:46.05 | valdyn_ | ardy: i suggest your remove the oss emulation layer modules and then try doom3 |
| 08:46.09 | benjamindees | something is knackered with Courier and pam; gives me "Login failed" all of a sudden even though the password is correct; running Woody with security updates |
| 08:46.46 | ardy | drac: I found in doom 3 config file an option to set the driver... I'll try ans set it to default |
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| 08:47.05 | deadcat | bob2: is it possible to make cplay stop wrapping the list? |
| 08:47.08 | valdyn_ | ardy: dont do that |
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| 08:47.20 | mike_ | what is the default on sarge? iptables or ipchains? |
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| 08:47.27 | drac | ardy: ..custom or no custom, you still need alsa-oss package. |
| 08:47.32 | deadcat | mike_: tables |
| 08:47.38 | valdyn_ | ardy: doom3 does _not_ support alsa by itself so it cannot use the "default" alsa device by itself |
| 08:47.39 | deadcat | mike_: chain is 2.2 |
| 08:47.45 | mike_ | deadcat: good, thanks |
| 08:47.46 | ardy | valdyn_: your right didn't work |
| 08:48.03 | valdyn_ | ardy: you have to use "aoss" |
| 08:48.08 | pingouin_ | valdyn_: what ?! what doom3 use if no alsa ? |
| 08:48.14 | loocek | hi! what rule I should set in iptables to connect with only one side ?? |
| 08:48.52 | mike_ | deadcat: i used the command iptables -t -nat -I PREROUTING --source 10.0.0.0/24 . It still doesn't work. Can u see anything wrong with it? |
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| 08:48.58 | valdyn_ | ardy: you can probably install an upgrade to doom3, then it can use alsa |
| 08:49.03 | drac | Doom 3 supports oss and alsa both, but I had serious problems with sound, so I just installed alsa-oss package and changed Doom 3 to use OSS. And finally it works. |
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| 08:49.18 | drac | Sounds was somehow corrupted using just Alsa.. |
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| 08:49.32 | deadcat | mike_: echo 1 to the forward file in /proc? |
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| 08:50.19 | loocek | ?? |
| 08:50.22 | valdyn_ | pingouin_: yea, i was wrong, somehow mistook doom3 w/ quake3 or somesuch. Anyway, the first release of doom3 dont support alsa, later releases do |
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| 08:50.34 | pingouin_ | np |
| 08:50.35 | valdyn_ | ardy: ^^^ |
| 08:50.54 | pingouin_ | i was just surprised that a «big» game like doom3 does't support alsa |
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| 08:51.23 | lightfoot | heh Doom3 Supports alsa |
| 08:51.33 | mike_ | deadcat: theres a foreward file in proc? |
| 08:51.41 | Halahad | where download doom3? |
| 08:51.47 | ardy | ssvakdyn_: yeah... how do I figure out what version of doom I have? |
| 08:51.53 | valdyn_ | Halahad: joinst #warez |
| 08:52.21 | ardy | halahad: If you own the game you can get the exec from ids ftp site |
| 08:52.26 | Halahad | joinst warez |
| 08:52.29 | Halahad | ??? |
| 08:52.41 | mike_ | omg. |
| 08:52.51 | mike_ | dude, learn how to use /join |
| 08:52.54 | valdyn_ | ardy: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/ |
| 08:53.03 | ardy | valdyn_: yeah... how do I figure out what version of doom I have? |
| 08:53.13 | Halahad | too slowly to download from ids |
| 08:53.16 | loocek | hi! what rule I should set in iptables to connect with only one side ?? |
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| 08:53.40 | Halahad | you know there's no channel named warez |
| 08:54.30 | Halahad | any diff between the demo and c/s? |
| 08:54.59 | simonrvn | Halahad: this isn't a warez network. i insist you cease and desist |
| 08:55.09 | ardy | valdyn_: figured it out... doom3 -v gets you into the hud and from there it displays the doom version in the bottome right corner |
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| 08:55.43 | Halahad | oops... |
| 08:55.47 | Spark | why do people presume requests for commercial software are illicit? |
| 08:55.47 | simonrvn | otherwise i get to call you a script kiddie spammer |
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| 08:55.58 | Spark | I get free MS downloads for a start (academic alliance) |
| 08:56.18 | arango | what is the Berlios driver ? |
| 08:56.28 | kaplanfx | what is the command that gives you a list of all the services and allows you to select which ones you want to run at startup? |
| 08:56.46 | drac | kaplanfx: try 'rcconf' |
| 08:56.52 | jm_ | kaplanfx: sysv-rc-conf |
| 08:56.54 | simonrvn | arango: nothing google couldn't tell you |
| 08:57.01 | kaplanfx | drac: thats the one I am looking for |
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| 08:57.56 | arango | simonrvn: Google can answer anything, so by that line of thinking there should not be a single question here |
| 08:58.22 | bob2 | !+listkeys cyrus |
| 08:58.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cyrus' by key (1 shown): cyrus. |
| 08:58.26 | kaplanfx | drac: thanks |
| 08:58.27 | bob2 | !+cyrus |
| 08:58.27 | dpkg | it has been said that cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 08:58.46 | Spark | arango: the suggestion is that noone knows the answer to the question, but its nature suggests googling will be successful |
| 08:58.49 | simonrvn | arango: and yet, peoplestill insist on not reading docs and doing some searching first. amazing, isn't it |
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| 09:00.45 | bonez39 | if I want to email an html document NOT as an attachment...how do I do it? it's already created...just need to mail to several addresses |
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| 09:01.11 | bob2 | you will be hurt for that |
| 09:01.50 | arango | simonrvn: For me this is just another tool as google is.... but with smartasses like you .... |
| 09:02.26 | simonrvn | arango: you could have found it by now if you'd bothered looking |
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| 09:02.31 | snail | arango: you should use google first |
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| 09:02.45 | snail | arango: and your brain before that |
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| 09:09.20 | Nightm4re | con |
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| 09:10.14 | rigid | re |
| 09:11.04 | rigid | is there anything (small) in the debian-tree that could replace xscreensaver? (to start a cmd after a certain amount of time of inactivity) |
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| 09:16.24 | smace | good morning |
| 09:16.38 | Giovanni | hi |
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| 09:17.00 | jm_ | rigid: xautolock |
| 09:17.11 | smace | how do I always keep the Nun Lock On? (every restart it is disabled) |
| 09:17.27 | rigid | jm_, yeah... can it start apps? |
| 09:17.27 | jm_ | smacnay_: some BIOS-es have an option for that |
| 09:17.29 | phanter | Hello, is therge somebody who has experience with xserver xgl? I read something about it but it is very hard to get more info |
| 09:17.31 | jm_ | smace ^^^^^ |
| 09:17.34 | jm_ | rigid: yes |
| 09:17.43 | rigid | jm_, yay tnx |
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| 09:18.11 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - what do i need to have installed in order to make a deb fiel from source like this fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 09:18.15 | pro | guys, how do i make an ipod work in linux? google? |
| 09:18.16 | smace | jm_: sorry but I've just arrived. so I dont know what you mean. |
| 09:18.17 | Sirius_Black | *file |
| 09:18.46 | jm_ | smace: some BIOS-es have an option for that |
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| 09:19.19 | soccos | I think my (gnome) panels have been uninstalled. What package do I need to install to get them back? |
| 09:19.22 | rigid | jm_, it seems to be exactly what i need |
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| 09:19.29 | smace | jm_: how do I change it then? (it only happens in linux) |
| 09:19.42 | pingouin_ | smace: numlockx - Enable NumLock in X11 sessions |
| 09:19.58 | pingouin_ | you have the same for no-X |
| 09:20.30 | pro | so i take it none of you have an ipod? |
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| 09:20.35 | jm_ | rigid: yes, it's nice - I had some problems with xscreensaver, so I was using xlock and manually locking it until I found this |
| 09:20.51 | vulture | pro: I assume it's a usb mass storage device.. so go find a HOWTO on that, it's pretty trivial. |
| 09:21.30 | pro | vulture, no, i tried that first, it didnt work |
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| 09:21.41 | pro | but i think i found something sf.net |
| 09:21.51 | SiliconViper | Can someone suggest a good Perl IDE? |
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| 09:21.57 | vulture | pro: google seems to have a variety of results on "ipod linux" (without quotes) |
| 09:21.59 | smace | pingouin_: where is the X11 session? |
| 09:21.59 | bob2 | emacs! |
| 09:22.08 | sep | vi! |
| 09:22.28 | vulture | ed |
| 09:22.36 | SiliconViper | ed isn't an IDE, silly. |
| 09:22.57 | SiliconViper | -_- I have those... I'm looking for a more complete app, preferably something pretty. |
| 09:22.58 | vulture | ed's a perfectly good IDE. |
| 09:22.58 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 09:23.10 | SiliconViper | What is it integrated with? |
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| 09:23.29 | SiliconViper | No gcc integration, or makefile support, or anything like that... |
| 09:23.30 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, anjuta? |
| 09:23.30 | bob2 | they all suck |
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| 09:23.37 | pinkie | gvim :) |
| 09:23.48 | bob2 | use an editor you like |
| 09:23.50 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, Does Anjuta do Perl highlighting? |
| 09:23.58 | toutmou | Does anyone know if it's possible to use an ATI RADEON Xpress 200p Sata controler under linux ? |
| 09:24.06 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 09:24.15 | bob2 | are you sure it's a radeon sata controlleR? |
| 09:24.21 | toutmou | yes |
| 09:24.28 | bob2 | like, really sure? |
| 09:24.32 | xogon | wow |
| 09:24.34 | jm_ | yes, ATI is also making motherboard chipsets |
| 09:24.35 | toutmou | told me by HP |
| 09:24.40 | bob2 | wow |
| 09:24.40 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, yes |
| 09:24.47 | SiliconViper | bob2, I have my editors of choice (nano / scite), but I'm looking for something to be a bit more... |
| 09:24.55 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, thanks! I'll try that. |
| 09:25.01 | bob2 | if it does generic pci pata, it'll be fine |
| 09:25.04 | xogon | oh |
| 09:25.05 | directhex|work | toutmou, i have it on good authority from a friend who works at hp that they're all hideously drunk at the moment |
| 09:25.07 | bob2 | SiliconViper: nearly everyone ends up using vim or emacs |
| 09:25.14 | bob2 | directhex|work: haha |
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| 09:26.01 | toutmou | I called HP France ;) |
| 09:26.14 | directhex|work | there's no sata_ati.c |
| 09:26.21 | nokia6000 | how do i compare two text files, to see it they are the same? |
| 09:26.30 | directhex|work | nokia6000, diff. man diff |
| 09:26.32 | bob2 | nokia6000: diff foo bar |
| 09:26.42 | SiliconViper | bob2, I'm not looking for what 'everyone uses', I'm looking for something that does what I want. Anjuta does it for C, I wasn't aware that it did Perl. I am made happy by this revelation. Thanks directhex|work. |
| 09:27.14 | bob2 | er, ok then |
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| 09:27.26 | toutmou | that's my problem, I don't know if I can use it under linux |
| 09:27.27 | bob2 | I meant "you might as well try them now, since you're going to use them one day anyway" |
| 09:27.56 | directhex|work | toutmou, not unless it has a legacy PATA compatability mode, which it probably doesn't |
| 09:28.31 | toutmou | No way to make it work ? :/ |
| 09:28.36 | SiliconViper | bob2, I already use Emacs, and used to use vim. |
| 09:28.45 | directhex|work | toutmou, or, get a linux live cd with a recent kernel & just try it |
| 09:28.46 | SiliconViper | bob2, they just aren't ideally suited to the task at hand. |
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| 09:29.13 | SO_SASSS | http://www.club2share.com |
| 09:29.13 | toutmou | I've already tried knoppix, ubuntu and mandrake move .... |
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| 09:29.32 | simonrvn | SO_SASSS # spammer |
| 09:29.33 | SiliconViper | Emacs is a great tool for almost everything I need, vim is a great substitute if I don't have Emacs handy, and for light editing, nano does the trick. |
| 09:29.38 | simonrvn | bob2: ^^^ |
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| 09:30.24 | DaFresh | hi all, i would like to update my sarge to sid, but i need that the downgrade to sarge work in case of probleme, what is the better way ? |
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| 09:30.39 | nokia6000 | bob2, i did 'md5sum file.iso >file1.txt'; then 'diff -a file1.txt file2.txt'; where file2.txt is (copy&paste from web browser). |
| 09:30.39 | jm_ | DaFresh: just stop now |
| 09:30.43 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 09:30.48 | DaFresh | jm_, gni ? |
| 09:30.51 | SiliconViper | !tell DaFresh about sid upgrade |
| 09:31.05 | bob2 | DaFresh: downgrading will not work |
| 09:31.09 | bob2 | if you can't deal with that, stay on sarge |
| 09:31.12 | jm_ | DaFresh: no, people who ask such questions should not get even close to unstable |
| 09:31.14 | SiliconViper | It's a one-way street. |
| 09:31.51 | nokia6000 | bob2, it checks out, so it's safe to say, the ISO is good as 99.9999999%? |
| 09:32.03 | DaFresh | bob2, even if i deinstall reinstall the good packets with hand ? |
| 09:32.10 | simonrvn | and if you go in reverse on that one-way street, you get your tires busted by the spikes in the road |
| 09:33.07 | SiliconViper | DaFresh, it's one-way man... I wouldn't risk it if you're not prepared to go all the way, and have a good reason for it. |
| 09:33.10 | bob2 | DaFresh: yes |
| 09:33.17 | bob2 | if you have to ask, you won't be able to do it |
| 09:33.32 | DaFresh | SiliconViper: my webmaster need php5, and i wont compil it |
| 09:33.36 | bob2 | nokia6000: if the md5sum is the same, they are (most likely) the same file |
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| 09:33.51 | SiliconViper | DaFresh, apt-get install libapache2-php5 ? |
| 09:33.57 | simonrvn | DaFresh: php5 isn't in sid anyway |
| 09:33.58 | DaFresh | SiliconViper: and wont wait that sarge pass stable to have php5 in the testing tree |
| 09:34.01 | SiliconViper | Right... not it Sarge. |
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| 09:34.21 | DaFresh | SiliconViper: i use 1.4 |
| 09:34.21 | SiliconViper | DaFresh, I'd recommend compiling it, and making a .deb for it. |
| 09:34.25 | simonrvn | !+info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:34.27 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:34.27 | DaFresh | s/1.4/1.3 |
| 09:34.38 | dpkg | Package 'libapache2-mod-php5' does not exist. |
| 09:34.38 | SiliconViper | DaFresh, I see. |
| 09:34.52 | DaFresh | hum ... |
| 09:34.55 | SiliconViper | !info libapache2-php5 |
| 09:35.07 | SiliconViper | O_o |
| 09:35.08 | DaFresh | i can anyway compil it with apt-build no ? |
| 09:35.16 | SiliconViper | Probably. |
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| 09:35.26 | SiliconViper | I use checkinstall, but that's just me. |
| 09:35.33 | SiliconViper | Doesn't make it better. |
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| 09:35.56 | simonrvn | are there any significant advantages (read: better security) to using php5? or is it still a POS? |
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| 09:36.34 | SiliconViper | simonrvn, I'm not upgrading until I know for sure that none of my code will break (read: tested first), and until I know that the OO is optional. |
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| 09:36.52 | SiliconViper | simonrvn, I hear it doesn't suck at threading. |
| 09:37.11 | simonrvn | oh, that's a bit better |
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| 09:37.24 | SiliconViper | Aside from that, I'm really not sold on it yet. |
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| 09:37.35 | simonrvn | i.e., thread-safe? |
| 09:37.42 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 09:37.46 | SiliconViper | So I hear, but haven't confirmed. |
| 09:37.53 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:37.54 | SiliconViper | Morning SlayerXP. |
| 09:38.02 | SiliconViper | Thu Feb 10 01:38:18 PST 2005 |
| 09:38.04 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: hello, hash-dweebian |
| 09:38.25 | nokia6000 | bob2, does diff comes with a verbose mode? i don't see it in the man page. when there are errors, it outputs something. but when there is no error, it doesn't print out a success or anything. |
| 09:38.46 | bob2 | nokia6000: right |
| 09:38.52 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: you *did* /join here, therefore you are one too ;) |
| 09:38.52 | bob2 | nokia6000: that's how most unix tools work |
| 09:38.54 | scarynetworkguy | nokia6000: Silence is golden. |
| 09:39.03 | bob2 | nokia6000: it returns the code 0 to the shell, which can notice it and act on it |
| 09:39.07 | SlayerXP | SiliconViper: you appear to be living in a place without proper time. consider emmigrating. |
| 09:39.17 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: well, yes, of course. |
| 09:39.32 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: doing ok lately? |
| 09:39.35 | bob2 | nokia6000: you can, for instance, do: diff foo bar && echo success |
| 09:39.50 | SiliconViper | SlayerXP, my GMT-8 is not broken! It is working.... |
| 09:40.14 | simonrvn | jeu fév 10 09:40:14 UTC 2005 |
| 09:40.29 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: errm, I'm doing better than my less-than-auspicious start to the year. I could do with a change of luck sometime soon. |
| 09:40.48 | saintiss_ | how does debian decide whether an init script goes in rcS.d or in rcX.d (X=[12345])? or is rcS.d just for scripts which need to be started independent of the runlevel? |
| 09:41.04 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: progressive change is good :) |
| 09:41.07 | nokia6000 | bob2, but that's like 'diff foo bar; echo success' , it's not part of the diff program. |
| 09:41.33 | scarynetworkguy | nokia6000: Why would diff do that? |
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| 09:41.54 | bob2 | nokia6000: no, it's not |
| 09:42.02 | bob2 | nokia6000: it will only print success if it suceeds |
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| 09:42.34 | simonrvn | saintiss_: single is a runlevel; 1 |
| 09:43.05 | saintiss_ | simonrvn, they why do you also have rc1.d? |
| 09:43.07 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: good luck to you then |
| 09:43.10 | bob2 | nokia6000: it's against the unix philosphy to add things like configrable success messages to programs when it's so easy to put it in the shell and make it available to all other programs |
| 09:43.28 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: thankyou |
| 09:43.36 | saintiss_ | s/they/then |
| 09:43.40 | simonrvn | like "&& echo success" |
| 09:44.13 | simonrvn | saintiss_: when you switch to rc 1, that gets run. rc S is on boot |
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| 09:44.39 | nokia6000 | bob2, ah... ic. |
| 09:44.46 | simonrvn | they're usually used euqivalently |
| 09:44.50 | simonrvn | equ* |
| 09:45.39 | saintiss_ | simonrvn, equivalently, so you could just as well put a link to the networking script in rcX.d for all X, instead of rcS.d? |
| 09:46.16 | simonrvn | why would you need to start the network in other than S ? |
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| 09:47.27 | saintiss_ | simonrvn, I just note that in other distro's the network is only started in 3, so in debian this would come down to starting it in 2... that would also bring it up at boot, no? |
| 09:47.44 | simonrvn | no, only after init went to rc 2 |
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| 09:48.05 | saintiss_ | simonrvn, which is at boot afaik, no? |
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| 09:48.10 | bob2 | moving the network start is not a good idea |
| 09:48.18 | bob2 | unless you know how that will affect everything else in rcS |
| 09:48.20 | bob2 | what's the point? |
| 09:48.27 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 09:48.43 | saintiss_ | well, the point is, I've got an iptables script here, and I didn't know where to put it |
| 09:48.55 | saintiss_ | so I started wondering why networking was in rcS and not somewehere else |
| 09:48.59 | simonrvn | wherever you need it |
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| 09:49.13 | bob2 | saintiss_: er |
| 09:49.19 | bob2 | saintiss_: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 09:50.22 | simonrvn | saintiss_: why it's S is simply because it's intended to be brought up as early as possible |
| 09:51.18 | saintiss_ | ic.. |
| 09:51.19 | saintiss_ | ok thanks |
| 09:51.23 | sanxiyn | Someone with Python distutils zen, please comment on the stupidity that is #294506. |
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| 09:51.24 | sanxiyn | Thanks. |
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| 09:54.46 | kpanik | hello |
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| 09:55.05 | mike_ | hey, how can i set up iptables to route all data from my network to the internet? i used the command "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to <my internet ip>". It isn't working, does anyone have any suggestions? am i doing it right? |
| 09:55.17 | jethro | mike_: use masquerade |
| 09:55.24 | jethro | mike_: -J MASQ and not -j SNAT |
| 09:55.38 | jethro | mike_: and make you you have ip forwarding enabled |
| 09:55.53 | mike_ | jethro: ok, where is ip forewarding configured? |
| 09:56.34 | simonrvn | forward |
| 09:56.42 | simonrvn | @+dict foreward |
| 09:56.46 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'foreward' Foreward \Fore"ward`\, n. The van; the front. [Obs.] |
| 09:56.51 | jm_ | mike_: read iptables docs, /etc/network/options |
| 09:57.02 | jethro | mike_: you can either use sysctl or append /proc |
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| 09:58.05 | arango | I have a usb wifi Interface with a working linux module but the module does not get loaded automatically at boot time. How do I make it load automatically before the /etc/network/interface file is processed ? |
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| 09:59.27 | jethro | mike_: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward or use the corresponding sysctl |
| 09:59.39 | fatal_ | arango: modules listed in /etc/modules will be loaded on each boot. |
| 10:00.14 | arango | fatal_: before network config ? |
| 10:00.18 | fatal_ | yes. |
| 10:00.33 | kpanik | is it safe to add your every-day-user to "adm" group ? |
| 10:00.39 | mike_ | jethro: ok, i enabled ipforewarding.. do i have to do that last "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" one aswell? |
| 10:00.51 | disc-q | i want to fetch my emails with linux and windows, so that i can get access through both systems. how to do that? |
| 10:01.11 | jethro | mike_: how did you enable ? |
| 10:01.16 | kpanik | disc-q: u can use thunderbird and share the maildir |
| 10:01.22 | jethro | mike_: and it's forwarding not forewarding |
| 10:01.46 | mike_ | jethro: changed ip_forward=no to ip_forward=yes |
| 10:01.48 | kpanik | disc-q: check the thunderbird faq, there is an article about it |
| 10:01.55 | fatal_ | disc-q: store the mails on the server instead of locally on your computer... try IMAP or something similar... |
| 10:01.57 | mike_ | jethro: sorry about my spelling |
| 10:01.59 | jethro | mike_: then /etc/init.d/networking restrt |
| 10:02.01 | jethro | mike_: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 10:02.14 | mike_ | jethro: i did.. nothing |
| 10:02.20 | jcalavia | hi |
| 10:02.27 | disc-q | kpanik: how can i do this? i can't find the option to change the dir |
| 10:02.30 | jethro | mike_: /j #iptables then |
| 10:02.43 | disc-q | fatal_: the server doesn't support imap |
| 10:02.49 | kpanik | disc-q: wait |
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| 10:02.53 | kpanik | is it safe to add your every-day-user to "adm" group ? |
| 10:02.54 | jcalavia | i've a trouble installing my web cam |
| 10:03.14 | fatal_ | kpanik: nothing is safe. only the paranoid survive. |
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| 10:03.17 | nevyn | kpanik: safe? |
| 10:03.18 | jcalavia | can anybody tell me how to configure it as a video capture device? |
| 10:03.29 | nevyn | kpanik: which every-day-user? |
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| 10:03.48 | kpanik | fatal_: lol |
| 10:04.04 | fatal_ | kpanik: aka. it depends on who you're asking. |
| 10:04.11 | kpanik | nevyn: the user u use evry day to check mails, web pages... |
| 10:04.22 | kpanik | fatal_: ok |
| 10:04.51 | kpanik | fatal_: i want to tail -f /var/log/messages with my user is it ok ? |
| 10:05.02 | kpanik | disc-q: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/share_mail.html |
| 10:05.09 | fatal_ | uid=1000(gem) gid=1000(gem) groups=4(adm),40(src),50(staff),106(public),1000(gem) |
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| 10:06.19 | |Fo|Ns | hi |
| 10:06.20 | kpanik | fatal_: that means your every day user belong to adm group ? |
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| 10:06.27 | fatal_ | yes. |
| 10:06.27 | |Fo|Ns | got a question related to alsa |
| 10:06.34 | nevyn | kpanik: well it increases the liability if your normal user account is cracked.. but it's not awful. |
| 10:06.35 | |Fo|Ns | I have read the documentation |
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| 10:06.53 | nevyn | it means you don't need to use root to do some system investigation type stuff. |
| 10:07.03 | kpanik | nevyn, fatal_ : ok thank you |
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| 10:07.22 | |Fo|Ns | but I'm confused with /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils/ |
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| 10:07.44 | kpanik | i think i have to change my pass to a stonger pass also |
| 10:08.15 | madmonkey | hello, i am having some apt-get problems |
| 10:08.27 | kpanik | disc-q: is the article answers your question ? |
| 10:08.49 | madmonkey | i am trying to install kde-devel and i get this error: |
| 10:08.52 | madmonkey | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:08.52 | madmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.52 | madmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.52 | madmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.52 | madmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:08.52 | disc-q | kpanik: yes. thats perfect |
| 10:09.02 | disc-q | kpanik: thanks a lot |
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| 10:09.05 | madmonkey | sorry |
| 10:09.12 | madmonkey | i didn't know that wasn't allowed |
| 10:09.35 | kpanik | disc-q: np mate |
| 10:10.05 | madmonkey | should apt-get automatically download all packages that the initial pacakage i asked to be downloaded depends on? |
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| 10:10.08 | bob2 | come and see, I swear by now, I'm playing time, against my troubles |
| 10:10.19 | madmonkey | sorry for just barging in here and asking for help.. |
| 10:10.23 | madmonkey | i'm just sort of in a bind |
| 10:10.44 | bob2 | a) don't flood |
| 10:10.48 | bob2 | b) #debian-kde |
| 10:11.00 | bob2 | c) you look like you're using either sid or dodgy broken non-Debian kde packages |
| 10:11.15 | madmonkey | oh i see |
| 10:11.18 | madmonkey | hmm |
| 10:11.28 | madmonkey | actually i am using knoppix... but i was told to come here and ask for help |
| 10:11.32 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 10:11.34 | bob2 | #knoppix, sorry |
| 10:11.42 | bob2 | their buggy packages are not a Debian problem |
| 10:11.49 | madmonkey | haha |
| 10:11.52 | madmonkey | indeed |
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| 10:15.18 | Ashtars_fanclub | when is 2.6.10 coming to sid? i686 |
| 10:16.18 | juhov | it's already there |
| 10:16.40 | tzafrir | Is there a tool to get interesting statistics from (apache) logs of an apt source? e.g: different systems using the source and for how long |
| 10:17.34 | Ashtars_fanclub | ah when is it comming to sarge then? |
| 10:17.47 | bob2 | after 10 days without a RC bug |
| 10:17.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok |
| 10:18.16 | Ashtars_fanclub | why didnt 2.6.9 make it, too crappy? |
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| 10:18.41 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - i am getting this while I am trying to compile a package: "in the prefix , you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed" - what do i need to do please |
| 10:18.54 | bob2 | Ashtars_fanclub: I'm pretty sure it made it |
| 10:18.56 | bob2 | just not as the default |
| 10:18.56 | Sirius_Black | libqt3-headers is installed |
| 10:18.58 | jethro | Ashtars_fanclub: only even numbers make it |
| 10:19.00 | bob2 | changing the default is a big deal |
| 10:19.08 | bob2 | Sirius_Black: er, they're not KDE headers. kde-devel. |
| 10:19.20 | Sirius_Black | bob2: that is also installed |
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| 10:19.40 | bob2 | then you need to be less vague and paste the command line you gave to configure |
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| 10:20.16 | Sirius_Black | ah sorry kde-devel is not installed |
| 10:20.18 | Sirius_Black | :-( |
| 10:20.19 | Ashtars_fanclub | jethro: why is that, with the stable series uneven should be just as good as even, right? even if 2.6.9 happens to be unusually crappy |
| 10:20.20 | bob2 | hah |
| 10:20.23 | Sirius_Black | am installing it now |
| 10:20.53 | jethro | Ashtars_fanclub: it was just a joke, sorry you took it seriously :p |
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| 10:21.17 | Sirius_Black | btw bob2 - which package(s) i must make sure I have in order to be able to make debs from source with e.g. fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 10:21.29 | bob2 | build-essential and fakeroot |
| 10:21.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | jethro: ^^ |
| 10:22.00 | Sirius_Black | cheers bob2 |
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| 10:22.13 | smr | hello |
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| 10:26.09 | Byakhee_ | hi |
| 10:26.19 | smr | is sarge root-on-lvm-on-RAID install supposed to work? |
| 10:26.31 | bob2 | RAID = linux software raid? |
| 10:26.35 | smr | yes |
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| 10:26.42 | jcalavia | hi, can anybody help me to configure a web cam as capture video device?? |
| 10:26.53 | smr | just wondering will I even bother to try |
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| 10:27.08 | jcalavia | ok |
| 10:27.17 | nevyn | jcalavia: were you here earlier? |
| 10:27.27 | jcalavia | yes |
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| 10:27.39 | Enflam3D_89 | Is Debian better than Slackware? |
| 10:27.48 | pingouin_ | far away ;) |
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| 10:27.59 | pingouin_ | !start a distro war |
| 10:27.59 | dpkg | RedHat is stupid! |
| 10:28.06 | smr | look at the channel name and take a guess |
| 10:28.07 | vladster | it always was |
| 10:28.29 | nevyn | I should try something else.. to give me perspective. |
| 10:28.39 | jcalavia | nevyn : can you help me?? |
| 10:28.39 | Enflam3D_89 | Tesm Redhat is stupid :D |
| 10:28.46 | pingouin_ | nevyn: i did...get back to debian ;) |
| 10:28.59 | nevyn | hrm I installed ubuntu a little while ago but that doesn't really count |
| 10:29.08 | bob2 | no stupid distro wars in here |
| 10:29.15 | pingouin_ | yep :/ |
| 10:29.15 | Enflam3D_89 | I like Mepis, which is Debian-based :D |
| 10:29.17 | pingouin_ | !start a distro war |
| 10:29.17 | dpkg | Slackware rocks! |
| 10:29.20 | pingouin_ | damn |
| 10:29.27 | Enflam3D_89 | yes, Slackware is nice |
| 10:29.28 | nevyn | hrm maybe I should try gentoo. |
| 10:29.30 | vladster | I went with red hat, suse and mandrake and they are plague with instabilities from conflicting packages |
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| 10:29.41 | d3s | longhorn |
| 10:29.44 | Enflam3D_89 | I was thinking about Gentoo, but I don't wanna spend > 10 years installing |
| 10:29.49 | nevyn | d3s: now you're talking. |
| 10:29.51 | Enflam3D_89 | LONGHORN? YUCK! |
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| 10:30.08 | Enflam3D_89 | !start s distro war |
| 10:30.10 | Enflam3D_89 | :( |
| 10:30.12 | Enflam3D_89 | typo |
| 10:30.14 | nevyn | d3s: microkernel good graphics subsystem.. lots of good stuff |
| 10:30.15 | Enflam3D_89 | !start a distro war |
| 10:30.15 | dpkg | Slackware rocks! |
| 10:30.17 | Enflam3D_89 | !start a distro war |
| 10:30.18 | vladster | Youu will need a supercomputer to run it |
| 10:30.25 | Enflam3D_89 | !start a distro war |
| 10:30.25 | dpkg | SuSE rocks! |
| 10:30.32 | Enflam3D_89 | SuSE sucks :( |
| 10:30.51 | Enflam3D_89 | Will it please some people if I install Debian rather than Slackware? |
| 10:30.56 | nevyn | Enflam3D_89: stop now before I have to actually work on a device to stab people over the internet. |
| 10:31.01 | tzafrir | No |
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| 10:31.02 | madmonkey | suse doesn't even have gcc.... nuff said |
| 10:31.08 | Enflam3D_89 | nevyn: Gotta love bash.org :) |
| 10:31.08 | pingouin_ | do what you want |
| 10:31.09 | nevyn | madmonkey: ? |
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| 10:31.19 | nevyn | Enflam3D_89: doesn't everyone? |
| 10:31.21 | madmonkey | the version of suse i tried, did not come with gcc |
| 10:31.23 | d3s | madmonkey: really? how's that? |
| 10:31.24 | Enflam3D_89 | nevyn: Yep :D |
| 10:31.32 | madmonkey | i don't know |
| 10:31.34 | pingouin_ | buy a 200 g hard drive and put all the distro in multiboot :) |
| 10:31.51 | vladster | For the corperate application and providing you don't use apt, Suse is probably a good choice, for the user who knows what they are doing and they want raw power, debian is a better choice |
| 10:31.51 | d3s | madmonkey: how about the source compilation? |
| 10:31.54 | Enflam3D_89 | ATM, I'm running Slackware 10.1, but I tried to compile 2.6.10 and it refused to work :( |
| 10:31.58 | jcalavia | that's a good idea pingouin |
| 10:32.01 | tzafrir | you cannot stab people over the internet. But you can kick them |
| 10:32.20 | madmonkey | i have no idea |
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| 10:32.23 | disc-q | kpanik: sorry, i can't get it work |
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| 10:32.33 | gilles | hi |
| 10:32.33 | madmonkey | it used some other program |
| 10:32.42 | madmonkey | it was almost a year ago |
| 10:32.43 | vladster | Each distro has its place, that is the freedom of choice |
| 10:32.44 | madmonkey | i don't remember |
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| 10:32.52 | gilles | in which package can i find mysqldump ? |
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| 10:33.06 | nevyn | vladster: what about gentoo? |
| 10:33.16 | flankk | is there a way to get scp to copy symlinks? it copys the file it is linked to instead of the link itself. is this a feature or a bug? |
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| 10:33.24 | d3s | tzafrir: "Some poeple live just because you are not allowed to kill them" -A Quote- |
| 10:33.39 | vladster | gentoo is good for those who want a real eduacation of the core structure |
| 10:33.49 | vladster | education |
| 10:34.05 | tzafrir | vladster, LFS is also good for that |
| 10:34.08 | flankk | vladster, yes, gentoo is directed towards newbs :) |
| 10:34.09 | PerfDave | Nah, Linux from Scratch is good for those who want a real education of the core structure. |
| 10:34.10 | d3s | vladster: that is the 'core structure'? |
| 10:34.21 | kpanik | disc-q: what is the problem? |
| 10:34.31 | vladster | I learned a lotabout file structure and dep-endencies on libraries |
| 10:34.50 | ideafix | any one using reiserfs4 ? |
| 10:34.51 | flankk | slackware is probably the best for actually 'learning' about the system. |
| 10:34.58 | Araldit | How can you clean up unused libraries. I have been installing some different programs, which depends on other things.. When I uninstall them, the depended programs/libraries doesn't get uninstalled.. Is there a handy way to discard those unused things?? |
| 10:35.09 | juhov | araldit: debfoster, deborphan |
| 10:35.13 | vladster | LFS is great for making appliances |
| 10:35.18 | disc-q | i can't get it work |
| 10:35.19 | flankk | debian is the best for getting things done imho |
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| 10:35.36 | disc-q | kpanik: where is the default dir of thunderbird? |
| 10:35.57 | kpanik | disc-q: linux or windows? |
| 10:35.57 | Araldit | juhov: Both of them. |
| 10:36.19 | disc-q | kpanik: the article says: "~/.thunderbird/default/1a2b3c4d.slt" but i don't have this. (installed via apt-get) |
| 10:36.24 | kpanik | disc-q: if you do everything written on the doc age, it should work perfectly |
| 10:36.25 | disc-q | kpanik: linux |
| 10:36.32 | vladster | for the corperate user and branded support, you would be better off with SuSE since you don't want to be the sole source of support for a it department |
| 10:36.32 | arango | Is there a way to simulate an unplugging of a USB device by software ? |
| 10:37.02 | kpanik | disc-q: docs also says that "1a2b3c4d.slt" is a random generated dirname |
| 10:37.06 | vladster | unload the module and reload it |
| 10:37.13 | juhov | araldit: that's up to you. debfoster will need a couple minutes of your time first time you run it |
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| 10:37.23 | disc-q | kpanik ~/.thunderbird doesn't exist |
| 10:37.43 | ideafix | any one using reiserfs4 ? |
| 10:37.54 | ideafix | is reiserfs4 stable ? |
| 10:38.07 | vladster | could someone give me a hand with a printer setup with jet direct print server and a deskjet 970 |
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| 10:38.15 | juhov | it's brand new, what would you think? :) |
| 10:38.18 | jm_ | vladster: try using cups |
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| 10:38.45 | kpanik | disc-q: come on man, it's just located in mozilla-thunderbird ;) |
| 10:38.57 | kpanik | it should be :) |
| 10:39.00 | vladster | I have cups installed and installed the print driver though hpoj and it is not responding |
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| 10:39.07 | disc-q | it isn't |
| 10:39.23 | vladster | cups manager says it si loaded but not response |
| 10:39.37 | vladster | is* |
| 10:39.37 | disc-q | blub.... sorry kpanik :-/ |
| 10:39.40 | disc-q | to early |
| 10:39.43 | flankk | someone help me out here? i'm using scp to upload to my web server, and i want it to copy the symlinks so header files on the secure server will point to the originals on the regular www. problem is, scp is copying the original files that the symlink links to over to the secure directory.. |
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| 10:40.09 | pingouin_ | vladster: you went to http://localhost:631 ? to check the usb/server setting ? |
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| 10:40.12 | jm_ | well I don't know about hpoj, but CUPS has worked great for me (and it still does) with postscritp capable printers that have jetdirect |
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| 10:40.28 | juhov | flankk: maybe piping tar output over ssh would be the answer? |
| 10:40.28 | bwalls | hi |
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| 10:40.32 | bob2 | flankk: use rsync |
| 10:40.42 | bob2 | basically just use rsync instead of scp, all the time |
| 10:40.51 | bwalls | i need help setting up twinview in nVidia drivers, any help? |
| 10:40.54 | pingouin_ | vladster: it's an 970 or 970 c ? |
| 10:40.59 | flankk | bob2, that how most people are doing it? i don't want to leave an ftp server open since it's only me uploading, ya know. |
| 10:41.12 | bob2 | flankk: rsync can work over ssh |
| 10:41.16 | bob2 | bwalls: #nvidia |
| 10:41.20 | bob2 | flankk: and it's faster |
| 10:41.26 | bwalls | i tried them but noones there |
| 10:41.33 | bwalls | its DEAD lol |
| 10:41.42 | vladster | 970c |
| 10:41.42 | bob2 | guess you'll have to wait |
| 10:41.46 | bob2 | or ask on a list or something |
| 10:41.48 | bwalls | u know how? |
| 10:41.58 | bob2 | nope |
| 10:42.00 | flankk | bob2, well, i don't really need a secure transfer either, since i am uploading to a server on my LAN, and it's just the site, nothing that could be sniffed. |
| 10:42.03 | bob2 | I buy supported hardwrae |
| 10:42.13 | bwalls | it is supported |
| 10:42.14 | pingouin_ | vladster: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_970C |
| 10:42.25 | bob2 | flankk: heh, I just use ssh everywhere, even on my lan since it's easier than telnet/whatever |
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| 10:42.25 | vladster | it comes up with Error: |
| 10:42.28 | gilles | what means the tag A written in front of a package in aptitude ? |
| 10:42.33 | disc-q | kpanik: but there is no .slt ?! |
| 10:42.33 | bob2 | flankk: rsync will be faster than anything else, tho |
| 10:42.37 | bob2 | and copys symlinks |
| 10:42.43 | vladster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.48 | bob2 | and optionally hardlinks |
| 10:42.59 | flankk | bob2, i'm only familiar with rsync as a way of getting packages, actually.. |
| 10:43.04 | arango | How to find the version of a kernel module ? |
| 10:43.29 | bob2 | flankk: rsync -az --partial foo/ user@host:/foo/ |
| 10:43.34 | bob2 | easy :) |
| 10:43.35 | kpanik | disc-q: ls .mozilla-thunderbird/*.default/ |
| 10:43.41 | juhov | arango: try modinfo |
| 10:43.49 | flankk | bob2, but i have to have an rsync server up? or how does it function? |
| 10:43.57 | bob2 | 20:41:12 bob2 | flankk: rsync can work over ssh |
| 10:44.04 | bob2 | just have the client binary installed on both sides |
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| 10:44.20 | bob2 | no server/etc |
| 10:44.26 | flankk | bob2, er.. that is very unclear, you could mean speaks that protocol, or tunnels through it.. |
| 10:44.26 | arango | juhov:thank |
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| 10:44.41 | vladster | do I need a class? |
| 10:44.43 | bob2 | tunnels through it |
| 10:44.53 | flankk | well, any protocol can tunnel through ssh.. |
| 10:44.56 | bob2 | hence why it needs the /usr/bin/rsync program on both ends |
| 10:44.58 | bob2 | blah |
| 10:45.03 | bob2 | nevermind then |
| 10:45.11 | flankk | it is like p2p? |
| 10:45.21 | disc-q | kpanik. a file .default is there |
| 10:45.26 | bob2 | everything on the internet is "p2p" |
| 10:45.34 | bob2 | 20:43:29 bob2 | flankk: rsync -az --partial foo/ user@host:/foo/ |
| 10:45.47 | bob2 | run that, wait a bit and directory foo on both ends will be the same |
| 10:45.52 | flankk | bob2, no, most things are client-server, not point-to-point.. |
| 10:45.58 | kpanik | disc-q: should be a directory, not a file |
| 10:45.59 | bob2 | no, they're not |
| 10:46.03 | flankk | lol |
| 10:46.14 | bob2 | anyway, use it or not, whatever |
| 10:46.24 | cockroach | (how) can i figure out which font my terminal (wterm, some rxvt derivate) is using (other than just trying them all)? |
| 10:46.25 | vladster | I have to run it through the foomatic drive |
| 10:46.42 | flankk | bob2, well, you confused the hell out of me saying i don't need a server. |
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| 10:47.02 | bob2 | 20:44:04 bob2 | just have the client binary installed on both sides |
| 10:47.10 | bob2 | I'm not sure why that is confusing |
| 10:47.16 | flankk | that is very confusing |
| 10:47.20 | bob2 | 20:44:56 bob2 | hence why it needs the /usr/bin/rsync program on both ends |
| 10:47.22 | flankk | usually you have a client, and a server.. |
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| 10:47.33 | bob2 | if you say so |
| 10:47.39 | flankk | er..? |
| 10:47.48 | vladster | very confusing sometimes |
| 10:47.56 | bob2 | anyway, you get what I mean now, so do whatever you want |
| 10:47.57 | disc-q | kpanik: yes. sorry, but i am quite new in linux and my english isn't that good |
| 10:48.39 | flankk | bob2, actually, i have no idea what you are talking about, a client doesn't talk to a client. you have client-server connections. so how does rsync talk over the network? |
| 10:48.48 | bob2 | for fuck's sake |
| 10:48.53 | bob2 | install the 'rsync' package on both ends |
| 10:49.08 | bob2 | it speaks the rsync protocol over ssh to the rsync program on the other end |
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| 10:49.19 | kpanik | disc-q: where are u from ? |
| 10:49.19 | flankk | i think you are having trouble understanding it yourself, thus why you are getting frusterated explaining it. |
| 10:49.26 | bob2 | no, I'm not at all |
| 10:49.26 | vladster | foo is definitely a faster driver for text |
| 10:49.31 | disc-q | kpanik: germany |
| 10:49.36 | pro | hey guys whats the command or file where i change my keyboard mapping from UK to US ? |
| 10:49.37 | flankk | perhaps the version you have includes both the client and the server in the package, no? |
| 10:49.42 | bob2 | no |
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| 10:49.55 | kpanik | disc-q: try to find a translation for the doc, there are many translations on the site |
| 10:49.58 | bob2 | I'm sorry you find this hard to understand |
| 10:50.00 | idnar | flankk: you need an ssh server |
| 10:50.06 | bob2 | anyway, install rsync on bot ends and run the command I gave you |
| 10:50.09 | kpanik | disc-q: im french and i found teh doc in fr |
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| 10:50.27 | Enflam3D_89 | If I install Debian, can I get X.org for it? |
| 10:50.31 | flankk | idnar, i have an ssh server. |
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| 10:50.37 | disc-q | kpanik: i understand the doc. that is not the problem. the problem is understanding Linux :) |
| 10:50.38 | Enflam3D_89 | I really believe it is a lot better than XFree86 |
| 10:50.42 | idnar | flankk: right, so, the rsync process on the one end connects to the other end by ssh, and runs the remote rsync binary |
| 10:50.52 | disc-q | how can i delete a whole (not empty) dir? |
| 10:51.04 | MattF | rm -R <dir> |
| 10:51.04 | Enflam3D_89 | disc-q: rm -rf DIR |
| 10:51.08 | Gathond | disc-q: rm -r dir |
| 10:51.12 | vladster | I was trying to set up my joystick and I got a message like this =>Oops, please create some joystick device nodes with MAKEDEV first! |
| 10:51.14 | MattF | :S |
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| 10:51.23 | flankk | idnar, connects via ssh? then it is simply an ssh client so far, not tunneling a protocol.. |
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| 10:51.28 | pro | dpkg, keyboard |
| 10:51.28 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
| 10:51.29 | vladster | how do you makedev |
| 10:51.41 | Enflam3D_89 | dpkg, mouse |
| 10:51.41 | dpkg | it has been said that mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. |
| 10:51.44 | idnar | flankk: it just uses ssh to invoke the remote rsync binary, so that it can talk to it |
| 10:51.48 | vladster | this is a new one on me |
| 10:51.54 | Enflam3D_89 | dpkg, xorg |
| 10:51.54 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
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| 10:52.09 | flankk | idnar, well, you can invoke any binary once you are logged in via ssh, so that is pretty lame.. |
| 10:52.17 | idnar | flankk: "lame"? |
| 10:52.21 | bob2 | god |
| 10:52.22 | bob2 | stop it |
| 10:52.29 | flankk | idnar, lame = nothing special. |
| 10:52.35 | idnar | flankk: nobody said it was |
| 10:52.39 | idnar | flankk: it's exactly the same way scp works |
| 10:52.47 | kpanik | disc-q: thats another problem so, sharing your mails requires only low linux skills, just a bit of curiousity and common sense ;) |
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| 10:52.48 | ideafix | when is sarge gona get the stable avail ? |
| 10:53.03 | bob2 | ideafix: as we tell you every week, no one knows. hopefully soon. |
| 10:53.30 | disc-q | kpanik: your right. but the experience grows with facing problems :) |
| 10:53.36 | flankk | idnar, and what does rsync do that cp doesn't? it can check for outdated files, etc? |
| 10:53.53 | vladster | I hade to use the nvidia glx driver from sid since it was depreciated recently in sarge |
| 10:54.13 | kpanik | disc-q: truely right, so dont wait to face them :) |
| 10:54.19 | pro | does no one know how to change keyboard mapping from EN_UK to EN_US in debian? |
| 10:54.50 | kpanik | pro: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 10:54.55 | bwalls | i need help setting up twinview in nVidia drivers, any help? |
| 10:54.56 | vladster | that is in the profiles I think |
| 10:54.56 | idnar | flankk: yes; by default, it'll calculate partial hashes of files to avoid transferring pieces that are the same on the server already |
| 10:54.58 | disc-q | kpanik: i sure will not. and with a little help from people on FreeNode, i'm really sue i will get it |
| 10:55.01 | idnar | flankk: check the docs for more information |
| 10:55.59 | kpanik | disc-q: so be it :D |
| 10:56.30 | flankk | idnar, well, before i go grab it.. can it delete files on the server that don't exist on the client? |
| 10:56.35 | pro | kpanik, nope |
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| 10:57.25 | flankk | idnar, say /var/www on both are the same, but you delete a file on the client, can it be told to do the same on the server? this is a drawback of scp.. |
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| 10:57.42 | bob2 | flankk: yes, read the manpage |
| 10:57.45 | bob2 | hint: --delete |
| 10:57.51 | CarlosAlex | every time I mount a device |
| 10:57.58 | CarlosAlex | is impossible to umount |
| 10:58.01 | CarlosAlex | why ?? |
| 10:58.20 | Gathond | CarlosAlex: I am sure your systems tells you something when you tries |
| 10:58.29 | flankk | bob2, alright, see i could do this with a bash script, but the easiest way without building a profile would be to remove everything and just upload it, but since this is a web server, that is not viable. |
| 10:58.30 | ideafix | beacause you are using the device ? |
| 10:58.34 | CarlosAlex | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 10:58.34 | mike_ | how do i get NAT working on my router? iptables. |
| 10:58.35 | Gathond | CarlosAlex: most likely because some process have an open file handle on the partition |
| 10:58.52 | bob2 | mike_: install the ipmasq package |
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| 10:58.57 | bob2 | flankk: just use rsync like everyone else then |
| 10:58.58 | CarlosAlex | I just so the device at konqueror |
| 10:58.59 | mike_ | CarlosAlex: try fuser /media/cdrom0 |
| 10:59.06 | CarlosAlex | then, close the konqueror |
| 10:59.11 | Gathond | CarlosAlex: my guess it that you have some shell/filebrowser open in that directory |
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| 10:59.40 | mike_ | CarlosAlex: maybe famd is using it. famd is a pain in the ass. |
| 10:59.43 | CarlosAlex | No |
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| 10:59.50 | CarlosAlex | humm |
| 10:59.57 | CarlosAlex | famd is running/ |
| 11:00.13 | Biocorporation | anyone here use pptpd much ? I have a very strange isues, I can login fine to a server via the local network, but from the internet I get GRE: Bad checksum from pppd. any ideas ? |
| 11:00.17 | flankk | bob2, alright, i'll give it a shot :D i always thought of rsync as some old bsd grandpa |
| 11:00.23 | bob2 | no |
| 11:00.28 | bob2 | it's not like rsh, rcp, etc |
| 11:00.31 | bob2 | just an unfortunate name |
| 11:00.38 | mike_ | bob2: ipmasq.. ok, so i install that and thats it.. it should work? |
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| 11:00.47 | bob2 | mike_: if you have a useful kernel, etc |
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| 11:01.07 | mike_ | bob2: im running sarge.. |
| 11:01.16 | bob2 | then you should be ok |
| 11:01.16 | mike_ | bob2: a fresh install |
| 11:01.23 | mike_ | bob2: k, thanks |
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| 11:02.24 | flankk | bob2, whoa, i've never used rcp, this == scp but not over ssh? |
| 11:02.31 | bob2 | yes |
| 11:02.41 | bob2 | all the old bsd r* tools were insecure pieces of crap |
| 11:02.52 | bob2 | rsync is about the only program starting with 'r' anyone uses anymore ;) |
| 11:03.03 | mike_ | bob2: do i need to add an entry to the NAT IP table? |
| 11:03.08 | bob2 | no |
| 11:03.10 | flankk | bob2, okay thanks, i'll tell you how good it works :D |
| 11:03.16 | vladster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.30 | mike_ | bob2: grraahh. it still isn't working |
| 11:03.33 | vladster | that is the MAKEDEV error |
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| 11:03.50 | bob2 | ok |
| 11:05.02 | mike_ | bob2: ;_; .. i can connect to ipaddresses, just DNS resolution isn't working on my client machines. |
| 11:05.08 | sfrank | i'm trying to get skype working with esp, but without any luck. i checked the official site, where they esddsp ./skype, but it doesn't work for me |
| 11:05.18 | bob2 | sorry, I don't have time to walk you through debugging that |
| 11:05.46 | mike_ | bob2: who are you talking to? |
| 11:05.52 | bob2 | mike_: you |
| 11:06.03 | mike_ | bob2: okie dokie, thanks anyway |
| 11:06.13 | bob2 | try asking on debian-user list |
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| 11:07.08 | flankk | bob2, 'rsync is a program that behaves in much the same way that rcp does, but has many more options...' |
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| 11:07.11 | snk00sj | hi, sorry to bother |
| 11:07.19 | flankk | bob2, yup, that's pretty much exactly what i'm looking for :) |
| 11:07.20 | snk00sj | i am kinda new with debian, especially apt-get |
| 11:07.32 | ideafix | use synaptic |
| 11:08.02 | flankk | snk00sj, apt-get moo |
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| 11:08.27 | bob2 | such useful advice! |
| 11:08.38 | flankk | ;P |
| 11:08.38 | rocio6969 | hola |
| 11:08.48 | snk00sj | want to compile tomcat/libapache, but my apt-get sais it has not found a package named tomcat |
| 11:08.58 | snk00sj | i tried apt-get update, but i am guessing i need to change my sources |
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| 11:09.10 | bob2 | it's in contrib |
| 11:09.16 | bob2 | someone will tell you how to enable that |
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| 11:09.19 | rocio6969 | ai alguien? |
| 11:09.37 | mike_ | english? |
| 11:09.43 | rocio6969 | no |
| 11:09.45 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 11:09.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:09.53 | sml | sn00sj: add contrib to your apt sources list |
| 11:10.09 | rocio6969 | #debian-es |
| 11:10.25 | ideafix | dont you think that apt-get should be runned with out root for fetching files from ftps and only use root to atcually install the packages afer retriving ? |
| 11:10.38 | nevyn | ideafix: capital IDEA.. |
| 11:10.46 | rocio6969 | malaga |
| 11:10.49 | flankk | bob2, 'support for copying links' !! just what i needed. |
| 11:11.02 | sml | sn00sj: /etc/apt/sources.list just add a contrib dir |
| 11:11.16 | bob2 | rocio6969: obviously this is not a spanish-speaking channel |
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| 11:11.23 | bob2 | the hint is that no one else is speaking spanish |
| 11:11.24 | ideafix | nevyn: are you making funn ? |
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| 11:11.30 | bob2 | ideafix: send a patch |
| 11:11.32 | PerfDave | Yeah, apt-get should run as its own user who has write access to /var/cache/apt, and have sudo access to dpkg --install ;) |
| 11:11.44 | rocio6969 | hello |
| 11:11.45 | ideafix | i dont know ou to code |
| 11:11.46 | bob2 | the security gain would appear to be very very small |
| 11:11.48 | nevyn | ideafix: no it really is a excellent idea. |
| 11:11.53 | ideafix | i dont know how to code |
| 11:12.06 | nevyn | bob2: it's a good idea tho I think |
| 11:12.13 | ideafix | thanks |
| 11:12.18 | nevyn | except.. |
| 11:13.07 | ideafix | execept what ? |
| 11:13.09 | snk00sj | thanks guys it worked :) |
| 11:13.57 | nevyn | there's a potential security exploit here maybe. |
| 11:14.04 | drac | Is it somwhow possible to add timestamps to .xsession-errors? |
| 11:14.22 | drac | s/somwhow/somehow/ |
| 11:14.51 | ideafix | how come there security exploit in something that hasnt been coded yet ? |
| 11:15.27 | soth` | what can i use to create automated backups? is there a package that'll do the whole thing for me? |
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| 11:16.22 | sml | soth : tar |
| 11:16.33 | nevyn | soth`: and bash |
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| 11:17.13 | soth` | yer i know, but i'd have thought there would be some sort of package which makes it idiot proof |
| 11:17.24 | sml | tar is idiot proof. |
| 11:17.29 | soth` | ie, select some folders, a destination and a backup period and voila |
| 11:17.41 | nevyn | amaya? |
| 11:17.43 | sml | soth: ok run samba and backit up from your wind0wz box. |
| 11:17.57 | sml | that's probably about as simple as you can get.. |
| 11:18.03 | nevyn | no umm... |
| 11:18.18 | paulswm | soth`: There are so many ways of doing backups, and it depends on what kind of backup you want to create. But you'll have to write your own scripts for the most part. You might want to look at dump, or use tar, or cp -a, or cpio, rsync... |
| 11:18.32 | PerfDave | soth`: AMANDA might do what you want. |
| 11:18.45 | PerfDave | soth`: What are you backing up, where are you backing it up to? |
| 11:18.54 | sml | nevy: you could use DVD-RW but i have no idea what you want to backup, when, how, how often, incremental or full.. the number of files etc etc etc |
| 11:19.00 | nevyn | hrm |
| 11:19.22 | nevyn | PerfDave: that's what I was thinking of. |
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| 11:19.39 | soth` | backing up a web/db server to a local machine basically |
| 11:19.49 | Kennie | Hi, how much Mhz has debian needed? |
| 11:20.00 | soth` | its just i did a search on packages and there seems to be loads, just wondering if there was a recommened one |
| 11:20.01 | paulswm | :D |
| 11:20.13 | bob2 | Kennie: 25 |
| 11:20.29 | Kennie | wow lol :D |
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| 11:20.41 | bob2 | but that's a stupid question |
| 11:20.46 | bob2 | it depends what you want to do with it |
| 11:20.54 | bob2 | doom3 on a 25MHz 486 is going to suck |
| 11:20.58 | bob2 | but it'll do fine as a router |
| 11:21.07 | Kennie | only console mode without gfx |
| 11:21.12 | Kennie | and some appz like apache |
| 11:21.17 | bob2 | appz? |
| 11:21.21 | bob2 | to serve warez? |
| 11:21.21 | sml | soth: in that case tar. |
| 11:21.33 | Kennie | nah only own things |
| 11:21.41 | Kennie | apache/php/mysql/ftp |
| 11:21.46 | nevyn | php? |
| 11:21.57 | nevyn | depends on the php code. |
| 11:22.11 | nevyn | and how many hits/s you expect |
| 11:22.17 | Kennie | yea but with 200Mhz i got enough with less hits |
| 11:22.31 | sml | soth : tar cvzf /var/www blah.tgz, you can even nc it to another box if you like with tar cvz /var/www - | nc .... etc |
| 11:22.39 | nevyn | enough? |
| 11:22.48 | PerfDave | soth`: You're backing up files to itself? What's the point? |
| 11:23.01 | PerfDave | Kennie: Read the Installation Manual. |
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| 11:23.20 | PerfDave | Kennie: MHz means nothing, depends what arch you're using for starters. |
| 11:23.32 | bwalls | hi i REALLY need help setting up dual view with nVidia~! |
| 11:23.34 | vladster | this is a little strange, it say a stick is connected but there is not effect on the input of the testing program |
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| 11:24.41 | soth` | PerfDave: no, what i explained is the exact oposite |
| 11:24.59 | PerfDave | soth`: Then you didn't explain it very well ;) |
| 11:24.59 | soth` | i'm backing up a remote web/db server to a local machine here, where it will be written to dvd |
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| 11:25.43 | PerfDave | soth`: Which bits are you backing up? Just the web content and database dumps? |
| 11:25.43 | soth` | PerfDave: or you just didn;t understand it very well ;) |
| 11:25.43 | cjavad | where can i get php4-kadm5 module? |
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| 11:25.56 | soth` | basically yer, and some config files from /etc maybe |
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| 11:27.04 | J0el | woala thx to evry one im now connected thru knoppix to the net! |
| 11:27.07 | J0el | this is my first time |
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| 11:27.09 | PerfDave | soth`: I'd probably use rsync to copy the files across |
| 11:27.15 | PerfDave | J0el: #knoppix |
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| 11:27.34 | J0el | thx |
| 11:27.39 | PerfDave | soth`: Where is this remote server? Is it on the same network as you, or Out On The Internet Somewhere? |
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| 11:28.15 | soth` | OutThere |
| 11:28.24 | bwalls | hi i REALLY need help setting up dual view with nVidia PLEASE HELP~! |
| 11:28.52 | Jenns | hey people, is there a "debian" way of installing modules in proftpd other that grabbing the source and compiling the module in? |
| 11:29.11 | PerfDave | soth`: In that case I'd go for rsync, and sort out something by hand to burn things to DVD-R (or just stick rsync on a cronjob and e-mail yourself to remind you to use k3b to burn a DVD-R) |
| 11:29.23 | soth` | k |
| 11:29.39 | petemc | bwalls: ive a config that worked for me, you can have a look if you promise to stop using unnecessary capitalisation |
| 11:29.49 | PerfDave | soth`: You could use AMANDA, but that requires running a daemon on your internet box (for which you could restrict access to your local IP, I guess). Not sure how it is with DVD-R as a backend. |
| 11:30.07 | soth` | i was just hoping for something easily configurable, even if it just means putting file names in a file somewhere so i can quickly change whats being backed uo |
| 11:30.30 | bwalls | sure sorry bout that |
| 11:30.33 | PerfDave | soth`: AMANDA has the easy configure thing, but is a little trickier to set up to do what you want. |
| 11:30.44 | PerfDave | bwalls: You might want to ask #nvidia |
| 11:30.53 | bwalls | theyre dead in there |
| 11:31.00 | bwalls | i tried |
| 11:31.08 | petemc | bwalls: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/ilug/XF86Config-4 |
| 11:31.35 | Jenns | is anyone here familar with install modules in proftpd under debian? |
| 11:31.39 | Jenns | *installing |
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| 11:31.56 | soth` | PerfDave: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/flexbackup thats the kinda thing i want actually |
| 11:32.06 | soth` | then i just rsync the files off? |
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| 11:33.35 | sml | jenns: you will have fun getting SSL support working with proftpd under stable, since its broken |
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| 11:33.54 | Jenns | sml: I'm after a throttling module :-) |
| 11:34.01 | sml | i need one of those for my wife! |
| 11:34.07 | Jenns | hehe |
| 11:34.20 | Jenns | I've found one but I have to compile proftpd |
| 11:34.37 | PerfDave | soth`: Possibly, if it can't do it itself. Doesn't seem to write to DVD-R for you though so you'd need to script that yourself. |
| 11:34.42 | sml | i would throttle using iptables ... but im sure a module for proftpd would be the "correct" way of doing things |
| 11:34.54 | sml | jenns: get the src .deb then |
| 11:35.00 | Jenns | hrmm |
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| 11:35.07 | Jenns | can you give me the iptables solution |
| 11:35.09 | Jenns | ? |
| 11:35.14 | sml | Heh. You dont want much! |
| 11:35.34 | sml | just use the "limit" module of iptables. using -p tcp --dport ftp and you want the INPUT chain. |
| 11:35.54 | sml | man iptables, its not difficult and will help you in the long run :-) you are lookinng for "SYN" flags ;) |
| 11:36.08 | Jenns | ok, :-) ta |
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| 11:36.34 | sml | im sure a quick google will probably find exactly what you are looking for and will save you the hassle of recompiling proftpd. :) |
| 11:37.15 | Jenns | yay :-) |
| 11:37.29 | Jenns | I assume its easy enough to limit * except for 192.168.1.* |
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| 11:37.45 | sml | yes , ! -s 192.168.1.0 |
| 11:37.51 | Jenns | terrific :-) ta |
| 11:37.58 | sml | iptables can do anything. |
| 11:38.09 | Jenns | can it make my coffee? |
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| 11:38.20 | ircdevil | script fu question: how to locate all filenames, and occurences in these files of the strings Sspe-[1-9]|Ssper-[1-2]|Zfy-[1-2] removing the dash? |
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| 11:38.47 | sml | ircdevil: that looks like a sed or awk question to me. |
| 11:39.06 | ircdevil | sml: yay |
| 11:39.28 | jm_ | well what's the problem with using egrep? |
| 11:39.46 | sml | jm_: what's wrong with tr |
| 11:39.47 | sml | ;) |
| 11:40.18 | ircdevil | i think this should be done in two. first file names, then file content |
| 11:40.29 | vladster | is there a way to remove printers from firefox |
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| 11:41.00 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:41.16 | vladster | I have three printer selections that are ahead of the the one that works |
| 11:41.27 | amorphix | which file do I edit to stop apache from loading on bootup? |
| 11:41.43 | sml | amorphix: the ones in /etc/rc.x using rc-update |
| 11:41.44 | ircdevil | *sigh* and some files are binary. i bette do a perl hack |
| 11:41.57 | amorphix | sml: thank you |
| 11:42.03 | pro | has anyone here mounted an ipod in debian? i have tried almost everything, its not actually seen the device, dmsg shows stuff, and /proc/bus/usb and usbview show it, but i cant mount it. |
| 11:42.17 | sml | amorphix: although there's nuffin wrong with using egrep either. |
| 11:42.27 | pro | i do have msdos/vfat and both hpfs built in to kernel |
| 11:42.36 | ircdevil | i shall eat food and think about this. |
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| 11:43.10 | amorphix | sml: strange, i dont seem to have an /etc/rc.x folder and rc-update command doesnt work either |
| 11:43.27 | sml | amor: rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d rc3.d rc4.d rc5.d rc6.d rc.boot rcS.d |
| 11:43.28 | directhex|work | pro, it should just appear as a usb mass sotorage device. modprobe sd & usb_storage, then mount /dev/sdXX |
| 11:43.32 | amorphix | ah |
| 11:43.37 | directhex|work | pro, you can't access the muisc that way, though |
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| 11:44.00 | pro | directhex|work, i just want to put mp3's on it to hear then |
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| 11:44.12 | sml | amorphix : ;) the script is actually in /etc/init.d, but there are symlinks from the run level subdirectories (start and kill) |
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| 11:44.22 | directhex|work | pro, doesn't work like that. you need an app which can alter the ipod's databases |
| 11:44.32 | amorphix | sml: thanks for explaining, im a bit new to this :) |
| 11:44.34 | pro | directhex|work, i have sd and usb_storage builting my kernel, to mount my camera and flash |
| 11:44.35 | directhex|work | pro, you got the wrong player if you wanted easy linux use |
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| 11:45.08 | pro | directhex|work, didnt want one, was given to me from inlaws visiting from the US |
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| 11:45.23 | jhiver | hi everybody |
| 11:45.38 | sml | amorphix read the README in /etc/init.d/README |
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| 11:45.55 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:46.07 | jhiver | can anyone give me a simple, working samba config? I'm trying to share a folder to my dad's windows machine but I can't get it to work... |
| 11:46.43 | pro | directhex|work, but can i use it as a 20G 'flash' drive then? |
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| 11:47.44 | directhex|work | pro, yes, t should just work as usb mass storage. |
| 11:47.50 | mike_ | hi, im having trouble with NAT and DNS Resolution. I can connect to ip addresses from my client machines but they won't resolve DNS. can anyone help plz. |
| 11:47.52 | directhex|work | pro, i suggest an apt-cache search ipod, too |
| 11:47.59 | scytheman | jhiver, http://nopaste.php-q.net/113992 |
| 11:47.59 | pro | mmmm, cool |
| 11:48.15 | directhex|work | pro, or sell it & get something more linux-friendly |
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| 11:48.25 | pro | i saw i can install linux as the OS on the ipod, i'll do that once i know how the thing works and shit |
| 11:48.34 | jhiver | scytheman: thx |
| 11:48.47 | gargamel | hello where can i find debian for ppc ibook g3 ?? |
| 11:48.52 | sanxiyn | pro: ipodlinux.org? |
| 11:48.58 | pro | sorry. i mean works and 'stuff' ;p |
| 11:49.01 | pro | yeah |
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| 11:49.15 | jhiver | BTW, once I get this running, how do I do with linux to see a list of samba enabled hosts? |
| 11:49.41 | jhiver | just to make sure the linux config is OK before I start blaming windows :) |
| 11:49.42 | scytheman | jhiver, you may have problems sharing fat-partitions, i don't know why, but it didn't works for me |
| 11:49.58 | scytheman | jhiver, smbclient -L <ip> |
| 11:50.07 | pro | at work i have a PC to listen to music, at home i have 6 pcs, if im not at work or at home driving from one to the other, or sleeping |
| 11:50.15 | jhiver | I want to share a folder on a reiserfs partition |
| 11:50.18 | jhiver | cheers |
| 11:50.43 | pro | and i drive/ride a 2003 Yamaha YZF600-R6 so i would not hear it anyway.... |
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| 11:52.24 | sanxiyn | Heh, I got the reply from the maintainer re #294506, that was fast. |
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| 11:52.53 | sml | amorphix : you should have /usr/sbin/update-rc.d, I certainly do on debian 3.0 (stable) |
| 11:53.18 | sml | amorphix: i think you may be able to query a bot here to find out what package its in, but im not sure how. im a newbie here. |
| 11:53.30 | sml | failing that there's always dpkg ;) |
| 11:54.01 | mike_ | can anyone help? |
| 11:54.24 | sanxiyn | mike_: help what? |
| 11:54.38 | sml | mike_ : there is a howto on DNS. if you cannot resolve addresses on client machines check /etc/host.conf /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf and setup your resolution |
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| 11:55.55 | mike_ | sml: ive setup resolv.conf. what goes in hosts and host.conf? |
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| 11:56.48 | sml | mike : order hosts,bind , multi on |
| 11:56.59 | stew | mufa: man 5 hosts |
| 11:57.06 | stew | mike_: ^^ |
| 11:57.12 | pro | heh, what do you know, sd was not actually in the kernel |
| 11:57.23 | pro | brb, rebooting to new system |
| 11:58.01 | gargamel | can someone give me a hint on howto do bootable cd for ibook g3???Please |
| 11:58.35 | sml | wasn't gargamel a smurf ? |
| 11:58.53 | stew | sml: no he was a character on the smurfs though |
| 11:58.56 | jm_ | no, a cat |
| 11:58.57 | sml | I only remember that from Donnie Darko. |
| 11:59.08 | stew | jm_: no azrael was gargamel's cat |
| 11:59.27 | pro | no gargamel was not the cat |
| 11:59.30 | stew | no |
| 11:59.32 | jm_ | ahh right, silly me, he was the wizard or whatever |
| 11:59.51 | sanxiyn | Gargamel is a sorcerer. |
| 12:00.02 | pro | yeah the cat was s....something or the other |
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| 12:00.12 | charolastra | hi there |
| 12:00.12 | stew | pro: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/smazfi.html |
| 12:00.31 | charolastra | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.47 | pro | yeah thats his name |
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| 12:01.05 | jm_ | this is odd, there are many segfaults in BTS for pinfo, and I was seeing it constantly die when viewing CVS info pages, but now I have rebuilt it and it works fine |
| 12:01.06 | pro | anyway, back in a sec |
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| 12:01.26 | pro | wait, does anyone know how i can load a new kernel with out rebooting? |
| 12:01.39 | stew | pro: you can't |
| 12:01.46 | pro | i doubt very much its possable but maybe? |
| 12:01.55 | pro | ahhh, ok thats what i thaught |
| 12:02.01 | bob2 | there's a thing called 'two kernel monte' |
| 12:02.07 | bob2 | but I don't think it was ported from 2.2 |
| 12:02.09 | pro | in which case brb esac |
| 12:02.10 | bob2 | kinda hacky, anyway |
| 12:02.19 | bob2 | kexec can skip the bios stage at least |
| 12:02.24 | bob2 | not sure how safe that is |
| 12:02.29 | pro | sorry the esac is habbit when typing case |
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| 12:02.40 | bob2 | tho I guess drivers have to be able to safely reboot devices so sleep works |
| 12:02.49 | Halahad | ! remove kde |
| 12:02.49 | dpkg | i heard remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 12:02.53 | balony | Anyone have some unofficial sites with new php4 packages for debian 3.0? |
| 12:02.56 | pro | bob2, cool ill look into it some time |
| 12:03.09 | pro | balony, ./configure? |
| 12:03.10 | bob2 | balony: backports.org, paerhaps |
| 12:03.14 | pro | anyway, brb |
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| 12:03.53 | stew | balony: dotdeb.org possibly as well |
| 12:04.03 | stew | don't konw if they only do php5 though |
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| 12:04.28 | mike_ | in my /etc/hosts file, do i need the name of a nameserver or something, it still won't let me resolve DNS on my client machines |
| 12:05.04 | jm_ | no, because you use IP-s for nameservers |
| 12:05.11 | R1ck | what kind of encryption does the shadow file use for passwords? |
| 12:05.15 | R1ck | md5 right? |
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| 12:05.36 | PerfDave | R1ck: MD5 or SHA-1, IIRC, depending on what you set in installation. |
| 12:05.37 | mike_ | jm_: i mean, the ip of a nameserver |
| 12:05.48 | stew | R1ck: man crypt |
| 12:05.50 | raghu | hi all |
| 12:05.55 | R1ck | mike_: if you want your clients to use your server as a nameserver, you have to install one |
| 12:06.00 | jm_ | mike_: you don't put it into /etc/hosts -- man resolv.conf |
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| 12:06.36 | raghu | is there a command which shows all the command starting with particular nmae? |
| 12:06.44 | J0el | how do you mount a ntfs part with fstab |
| 12:06.45 | J0el | ? |
| 12:06.48 | stew | raghu: pgrep |
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| 12:07.03 | raghu | stew: thx |
| 12:07.03 | stew | raghu: oh, commands |
| 12:07.14 | raghu | stew: yes |
| 12:07.19 | stew | raghu: dunno, pgrep would be for running processes |
| 12:07.34 | raghu | yes i know np |
| 12:08.14 | raghu | stew: there is some command that actually shows all comand associated to one particular command |
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| 12:08.32 | raghu | or to particular name |
| 12:08.53 | mike_ | i don't want my server to be a nameserver, i want it to be a gateway. The clients can connect to ip addresses but they don't resolve DNS.. what do i do? |
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| 12:09.38 | raghu | mike_: remove Virtual host entries |
| 12:09.40 | stew | raghu: you could do it with a script that checked ever dir in PATH however |
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| 12:10.15 | raghu | stew: yes...but satndard command is much simpler i guess |
| 12:10.18 | stew | raghu: something like: for a in `echo $PATH | sed "s/:/ /g"` ; do ls $a/x* ; done |
| 12:10.24 | orjan_ | Is there a requirement to have a reverse dns record or can I setup a connection with only a forward dns? |
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| 12:10.47 | petemc | orjan_: what kind of connection? |
| 12:10.49 | mike_ | raghu: where? |
| 12:11.04 | raghu | mike_ : in apache |
| 12:11.09 | orjan_ | petemc: fixed shdsl |
| 12:11.20 | mike_ | raghu: it has nothing to do with apache |
| 12:11.39 | mike_ | raghu: clients.. as machines that are connected to my gateway are clients. |
| 12:11.42 | petemc | orjan_: you can usually get by without rdns, some people might not accept mail from an ip with no reverse |
| 12:11.51 | orjan_ | petemc: the domain is not delegated from the isp but there is an adress free I want to use |
| 12:11.52 | raghu | mike_ : ok sorry then.... |
| 12:11.53 | stew | mike_: can the clients ping their nameserver? |
| 12:12.16 | petemc | orjan_: not many people have control over their reverse, i have a /27 and i dont |
| 12:12.25 | mike_ | stew: yep |
| 12:12.51 | orjan_ | petemc: do you have problem with mail? |
| 12:13.08 | raghu | mike_ : you have bind or dns installed? |
| 12:13.12 | petemc | orjan_: well, i got the isp to set up reverse for my mail servers ip |
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| 12:13.33 | stew | and decent isp should have all its ips reverse mapped to *something |
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| 12:13.39 | sanso | what package provides dos2unix and unix2dos? (apt-cache search returned nothing) |
| 12:13.46 | orjan_ | petemc: ok I see. Any good docs to read? |
| 12:13.55 | stew | sanso: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 12:13.56 | pro | mmmm, its working now ( my ipod) with gtkpod |
| 12:14.10 | petemc | orjan_: bind docs are not a bad start |
| 12:14.21 | pro | sanso, i usually go to packages.debian.org and search in packages |
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| 12:14.50 | mike_ | raghu: yeah |
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| 12:15.12 | ChrisW | is there a funky bit of shell script I can use to delete files that haven't been modified in the last 2 months in a particular directory? |
| 12:15.15 | orjan_ | petemc: ok, thanks |
| 12:15.19 | mike_ | raghu: i think, which package does dns come in? |
| 12:15.26 | ChrisW | I'm imagining something involving find, xargs and rm... |
| 12:15.31 | sanso | cheers! |
| 12:15.46 | stew | ChrisW: info find |
| 12:16.05 | stew | ChrisW: look for "time" under finding files |
| 12:16.49 | sanso | ChrisW, man find :-) |
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| 12:17.07 | pro | ChrisW, find /path -ctime 1440 or -atime |
| 12:17.36 | pro | but yeah like they say find's man page will help better |
| 12:18.07 | pro | ChrisW, there is also a 'time' thing with tar, maybe tar the files for a few weeks incase |
| 12:18.21 | ChrisW | they're alread yzips |
| 12:18.21 | raghu | mike_ : bind .. |
| 12:18.22 | ChrisW | ;-) |
| 12:19.04 | mike_ | raghu: w000t! it works |
| 12:19.20 | mike_ | raghu: thanks mate.. something so simple and i completely missed it |
| 12:19.20 | raghu | mike_ : how? |
| 12:19.28 | ChrisW | find -mtime 60 only returns one file |
| 12:19.29 | ChrisW | why is that? |
| 12:19.30 | mike_ | raghu: bind |
| 12:19.36 | mike_ | raghu: installed it and works |
| 12:19.40 | raghu | mike_ : :) |
| 12:20.01 | ChrisW | surely it should return ALL files who's data was alst modified 60 days ago |
| 12:20.09 | ChrisW | ? |
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| 12:21.00 | jm_ | ChrisW: read info pages for find |
| 12:21.07 | kpanik | how can i get the complete names of pakets when i "dpkg -l" |
| 12:21.21 | jm_ | kpanik: read the FAQ |
| 12:21.31 | ChrisW | jm_: done, still don't understand why it's doing that |
| 12:21.35 | kpanik | !faq |
| 12:21.35 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 12:21.48 | stew | ChrisW: thats 60 hours not 60 days |
| 12:22.15 | ChrisW | no, it's 60 days |
| 12:22.23 | ChrisW | but I think I wanted +60, not just 60 |
| 12:22.23 | pjv | hi i am trying to setup a visionplus tvcard, and i need to install a sc_main.mc, anyone know where i can find this file? |
| 12:22.28 | johnnyST | Hi dose someone know if Radeon 9250 is supported by xorg? |
| 12:22.36 | mike_ | does anyone in here know of a virtual mail account package? |
| 12:22.52 | jm_ | ChrisW: you need to understand what + and - operators mean |
| 12:23.00 | mike_ | like easily configurable Virtual email account +exim |
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| 12:23.15 | stew | johnnyST: #xorg |
| 12:23.18 | ChrisW | jm_: yeah, that's what I just said to the channel ;-) |
| 12:23.32 | petemc | mike_: vexim |
| 12:23.37 | petemc | mike_: tho its not in debian |
| 12:24.01 | kpanik | jm_: this faq is so hard to browse ! |
| 12:24.05 | ChrisW | hmm, okay, now I have find finding the files I want, how can I get rm to remove them? |
| 12:24.13 | kpanik | jm_: should be a faq to use this faq |
| 12:24.16 | ChrisW | find -mtime +60 | rm |
| 12:24.16 | ChrisW | ? |
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| 12:24.23 | stew | ChrisW: -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 12:24.43 | jm_ | kpanik: it used to be a Wiki page, but there were too many problems with it due to fucking spammers |
| 12:24.49 | stew | ChrisW: -print0 being an argument to find |
| 12:25.13 | ChrisW | w00t, thanks guys :-) |
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| 12:26.07 | sanso | ChrisW, also possible: find <my opts> -exec rm \{} \; |
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| 12:26.36 | kpanik | jm_: yeah i can see it, completly floode |
| 12:26.40 | kpanik | flooded |
| 12:27.05 | mike_ | petemc: i know, i see that, is there any debian based packages? |
| 12:27.22 | mike_ | petemc: or a .deb install file |
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| 12:27.37 | kpanik | jm_: anyway if i search something on it where do have i to put my pattern? |
| 12:27.47 | jm_ | kpanik: define it |
| 12:27.58 | coachz | Any word on when for a .deb package for PG 8 ? |
| 12:28.01 | kpanik | jm_: im searching docs on dpkg |
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| 12:28.31 | jm_ | kpanik: man dpkg |
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| 12:29.12 | kpanik | jm_: thats all rite, i used titleIndex and iits better to use word index |
| 12:29.31 | jm_ | kpanik: I wish I knew what you're talking about |
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| 12:30.37 | MattF | hullo, I'm trying to get my iPod to mount into Debian, I have plugged it in and dmesg has recognised it, but I don't know what mount point it's on |
| 12:30.53 | MattF | ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023 |
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| 12:31.01 | kpanik | jm_: anyway i found what i wanted, thx |
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| 12:31.52 | jm_ | kpanik: ahh OK |
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| 12:35.44 | CyL | Has anyone seen Xamusk in the past weeks? |
| 12:35.46 | raz_ | hi... if i want to include a nividia module.. when im compiling ... i have to set M or Y to nVidia Riva support ? |
| 12:36.09 | ircdevil | MattF: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 12:36.19 | digitalbit | hi! I've put the line "deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid" in my /etc/apt/sources.list to update to my php5 did apt-get updade and then apt-get upgrade ... No Php5 !!! :( |
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| 12:36.23 | sanso | CyL, /msg dpkg seen xamusg |
| 12:36.53 | quitte | i have a weird problem with my laptop. it works perfectly well once it successfully started x. then i can kill x and restart as much as i want. but after a reboot gdm won'T start and the machine is unusable. cursor in the upper left corner - that's it. to fix that i have to take the battery out - that makes it work always. |
| 12:37.05 | ircdevil | digitalbit: you need to upgrade instead of updade |
| 12:37.08 | petemc | mike_: no idea, i use debians exim4-daemon-heavy and configure it myself, its not too hard, need to read a bit first tho |
| 12:37.14 | quitte | any ideas? i think there was a tool to reset vga bios, but i cant find it. |
| 12:37.36 | drac | digitalbit: update |
| 12:37.49 | digitalbit | ircdevil: but i've done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:37.58 | jm_ | digitalbit: besides, php5 is not an upgrade to php4, it's a new package |
| 12:38.14 | raz_ | hi... if i want to include a nividia module.. when im compiling ... i have to set M or Y to nVidia Riva support ? |
| 12:38.19 | igraltist | raz the nividia installer from the nvidia.com do not like this option |
| 12:38.29 | raz_ | mh ok |
| 12:38.29 | digitalbit | after update why doen't show in my dselect data base ???? |
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| 12:39.09 | MattF | ircdevil, that's just a load of gobbledegook to me, it doesn't have any actual mount points |
| 12:39.31 | raz_ | if i want to setup the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run i dont need to set something concern nvidia in kernel ? |
| 12:39.40 | jm_ | raz_: no |
| 12:39.41 | tid-wave | hello! i want to buy a DVD writer, and i want it to work in linux. what dvd burning software exists for linux, and how's the hardware support? where can i get information about supported models etc. thanks |
| 12:39.43 | raz_ | jsut "loadable module suport" |
| 12:39.50 | igraltist | yes |
| 12:39.54 | raz_ | well. thank you |
| 12:39.57 | raz_ | all |
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| 12:40.02 | igraltist | i have it loike you describe |
| 12:40.12 | raz_ | okay. hehe =) |
| 12:40.15 | jm_ | tid-wave: most of them work just fine, since they're very similar, I have ND3500A |
| 12:40.23 | petemc | MattF: cat /proc/scsi/scsi, look for the Host: scsiN bit, scsi0 is sda, scsi1 is sdb, etc |
| 12:40.35 | quitte | tid-wave you could start with searching packages for dvd writing - install them - and read their docs. |
| 12:40.36 | tid-wave | jm_: and what software do you use ? |
| 12:40.36 | MattF | aha |
| 12:40.39 | MattF | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.39 | MattF | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.41 | MattF | I got that |
| 12:40.41 | stew | tid-wave: afaik, any ide or scsi dvd writer will work. |
| 12:40.42 | raz_ | i'll became leet-kernel_compiler :p |
| 12:40.48 | tid-wave | ok, thanks a lot |
| 12:41.00 | Bouncy | when using software raid do all the partitions need to be primary (1 partition per disk) or only 1 primary and the rest secondary.? |
| 12:41.02 | jm_ | tid-wave: I use command line tools (growisofs), but there's k3b too, or tkdvd which is a front-end to growisofs |
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| 12:42.42 | quitte | so noone got an idea how i can make this laptop boot and work every time? |
| 12:42.42 | Ireal | running sid here, a few days ago i suddenly got caudium installed, removed it, and now my apache isn't functioning properly. Any suggestions as to how i'll be able to get it running again? |
| 12:42.58 | petemc | quitte: i had issues with a dell laptops onboard i810 crap, have to use an older dell bios for it to work |
| 12:43.00 | jhiver | okay... I have samba sort of working between 2 linux boxes but it's VEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRY slow... |
| 12:43.12 | MattF | cat /proc/scsi/scsi is only showing me my SATA drive and my memory card reader :/ |
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| 12:43.48 | sep | Bouncy: none need to be primary for the raid's consern, you might want primary if you want to boot from it, and it's usualy easier on the mind if you partition all disks identicaly |
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| 12:44.58 | quitte | petemc nothing but native resolution worked? |
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| 12:45.16 | petemc | quitte: nothing worked at all, got a blue screen with x using 100% cpu |
| 12:45.21 | petemc | s/blue/green/ |
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| 12:45.38 | quitte | petemc. and it worked sometimes? |
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| 12:45.52 | stego | valdyn, just the man I was looking for : ) Remember my alsa probs last night? For some reason, this morning (after a reboot), alsa can only find the USB headset and refuses to see the first slot for my onboard sound. Any ideas?! |
| 12:45.53 | petemc | quitte: nope, only with the older bios |
| 12:46.00 | Bouncy | sep: thanks ill try that. |
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| 12:46.43 | Bouncy | sep: using sarge when installing it only give me options for primary and secondary.? |
| 12:46.54 | Bouncy | sep: which one should i use? |
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| 12:47.14 | quitte | petemc. well my problem is a little different. i still think i'm on the right track thinking i have to reset vga. and i'm quite sure there was a tool for it. if only i found it again |
| 12:47.17 | mike_ | petemc: can u recommend any good reads? i only have to set up 2 domains |
| 12:47.27 | Ireal | any known problems with caudium and apache in sid recently? |
| 12:47.55 | petemc | mike_: exim is lacking any decent introductory guides, the spec is great, but a bit terse |
| 12:48.11 | petemc | Ireal: the bts is the best place to check that |
| 12:48.17 | quitte | Ireal man update-alternatives |
| 12:48.32 | the_g0d | hello, i have a problem with my ISP... i use a proxy from another ISP to have a better speed... problem is that my ISP dosen't like the ideea so he filtered my route to that proxy... i can change the ip of that proxy... but is there a way to make it so my ISP will not observe that proxy again ? |
| 12:48.34 | wombachi | how can I get cpu usage (like idle in top) from CLI? somewhere in /proc? |
| 12:48.50 | Ireal | petemc, quitte: thanks, i'll check those out :) |
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| 12:49.01 | stew | wombachi: vmstat |
| 12:49.14 | mike_ | petemc: do u use sql with it? how about http://devel.reinikainen.net/docs/how-to/Exim/ ? |
| 12:49.23 | jm_ | wombachi: no, you'll have to scan /proc dir and sum things up, it's not that simple, just look if any of the procps tools does it |
| 12:49.34 | petemc | mike_: i dont, lots of people do tho |
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| 12:49.57 | mike_ | petemc: how do u do it then? |
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| 12:50.33 | quitte | Ireal caudium provides httpd and httpd-cgi. so it might have removed apache on installation. |
| 12:50.51 | Ireal | yeah, well, i didn't ask for it to be installed in the first place ;P |
| 12:50.52 | wombachi | stew: I didnt knew vmstat, thanks :) is it a std unix tool (or linux specific)? |
| 12:50.52 | petemc | mike_: i use perl scripts to add virtual users, i have routers looking at alias files to decide where to deliver mails for those users, and other stuff, more than i care to go into here |
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| 12:51.11 | wombachi | jm_: I just learn that procps contain vmstat |
| 12:51.15 | johnnyST | Hi dose someone know if the Radeon card "Chipset RADEON 9250 (RV280 5960)" is suported by the xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-10) package? |
| 12:51.15 | stew | wombachi: i know its on fbsd as well |
| 12:51.19 | jm_ | wombachi: yes |
| 12:51.19 | mike_ | petemc: ok sounds a bit complex for what i need |
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| 12:51.36 | infodroid | can anyone offer any insight about /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 12:52.00 | stew | infodroid: man apt_preferences |
| 12:52.17 | infodroid | i have two rules with the same pin-priority - i can't figure out whether or not apt-get is picking the one with the highest version number |
| 12:52.18 | jm_ | wombachi: it's a standard Unix tool, you can find it on Solaris, HP-UX and Tru64 too |
| 12:52.21 | infodroid | stew: don't be silly |
| 12:52.40 | stew | infodroid: why was that silly |
| 12:52.45 | infodroid | because it doesn't look like it is |
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| 12:53.09 | wombachi | jm_, stew: thanks. we never stop learning :) |
| 12:53.49 | infodroid | stew: i did read most of the docs out there, apt-howto, etc... its not in there |
| 12:54.00 | stego | Where do I specify the sound devices for alsa to use? And are there known programs which automatically update this, because overnight it seems to have stopped working (not recognising one of the devices) |
| 12:54.23 | jm_ | what do you mean? |
| 12:54.35 | infodroid | stego: i had a problem when it gave my bttx card a higher priority so it made it the default on every boot |
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| 12:55.00 | stew | infodroid: "If two or more versions have the same priority, install the most recent one (that is, the one with the higher version number)." |
| 12:55.25 | infodroid | stew: does that hold for when the packages are from different archives? |
| 12:55.27 | raghu | infodroid: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2002/03/msg00069.html |
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| 12:55.32 | florian | ./msg dpkg setupx |
| 12:55.41 | stew | infodroid: yes |
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| 12:56.15 | stego | infodroid, how would I find the priorities? It's funny because yesterday, I had hw:0 and hw:1 both recognised, and working! Now the computer denies all knowledge of hw:1 |
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| 12:56.42 | infodroid | stew: okay i will try to reproduce the problem and do a BTS if it persists |
| 12:56.54 | raghu | infodroid: http://www.zevils.com/cgi-bin/man/man2html?apt_preferences+5 |
| 12:56.57 | infodroid | stego: one sec |
| 12:57.08 | infodroid | raghu: thx, very helpful links, keep em coming |
| 12:57.57 | infodroid | stego: i made a new rule in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:58.11 | infodroid | stego: like this echo 'options snd-bt87x index=1' > /etc/modprobe.d/tvis2ndary |
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| 12:58.43 | MattF | if I have things like USB disks and an iPod and memory cards that I plug in and out of my machine at different times, do they always use the same mount point? |
| 12:58.44 | infodroid | stego: that way alsa isn't making it default sound device (index=0) |
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| 12:59.16 | infodroid | MattF: not necessarily, if you are using udev you can write nifty rules to automatically create /dev links that are persistent |
| 12:59.25 | MattF | hrm |
| 12:59.30 | stego | infodroid, ok, I will try that. But even if it was setting one over the other, surely they'd both be listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 12:59.33 | MattF | how can I tell if I'm using udev? |
| 12:59.43 | infodroid | stego: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01841.html |
| 12:59.52 | infodroid | MattF: dpkg -l udev |
| 12:59.57 | MattF | k |
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| 13:00.48 | MattF | well that's just confusing :/ |
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| 13:01.03 | MattF | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 13:01.03 | MattF | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 13:01.03 | MattF | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 13:01.19 | infodroid | MattF: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 13:01.24 | totzilla | morning |
| 13:01.35 | MattF | so I have got it? |
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| 13:01.44 | stego | infodroid, thanks. Unfortunately I can't even open the mixer for the 2nd card, but I will try that anyhow. My guess is /etc/modutils/alsa-base has been modified without my knowing... |
| 13:01.47 | infodroid | MattF: if you don't have udev, you should probably switch to it - its a Good Thing but needs recent kernels |
| 13:01.48 | directhex|work | MattF, the first column shouws U for Unknown, I for Installed, etc |
| 13:01.54 | stego | Anyhow, brb. |
| 13:01.57 | mike_ | how do i setup an sql admin account? |
| 13:02.26 | mike_ | it keeps saying access denied as the phpmyadmin login page |
| 13:02.56 | infodroid | stego: important thing i forgot to tell you |
| 13:03.12 | infodroid | stego: you need to run 'update-modules' after writing the new /etc/modprobe.d/tvis2ndary rule |
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| 13:03.28 | infodroid | stego: if you don't then your changes don't stick |
| 13:04.05 | infodroid | actually they don't even happen because all the magic is happening in /lib and not in /etc/ |
| 13:04.15 | kingk | I startx with two monitors, and my screen goes blank and I have shutdown manually. Then when I restart I have to fix errors. What a pain! |
| 13:04.21 | mike_ | what the...? now that is lack in security. root mysql with no password |
| 13:04.44 | pro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.01 | infodroid | what do you mean kingk? |
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| 13:05.14 | infodroid | pro: ipod sucks? |
| 13:05.17 | kingk | If I wanna truely enjoy Linux for myself, I have to learn to program it for myself, and if I could do that I would program KingkIX instead LinusIX |
| 13:05.35 | pro | well, mine does |
| 13:05.48 | zirikili | there is a lot of proccess "bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u -c" running here... what is it, please? |
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| 13:06.26 | kingk | infodroid, I set up two monitors and although xinerama doesn't work, the two monitor do work but only when using fluxbox, if I use xfce or sawfish the screen goes black, and cntrl+alt+backspace doesn't bring me back, I have to pull the plug and restart |
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| 13:06.57 | Xemacs_ | mike_, /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/readme.Debian |
| 13:07.16 | infodroid | kingk: do you want xinerama to work? have you written a proper XF86Config-4? |
| 13:07.17 | kingk | I what are the IRQ's, I am haing IRQ7 problem, I wonder what device that is? |
| 13:07.43 | jm_ | irq7 is often parallel port |
| 13:07.52 | kingk | infodroid, I think it is proper as far as I know, I will paste it in #flood if you would be kind enough to have a look |
| 13:08.16 | infodroid | MattF: udev is cool because when you plug in an ipod, it because /dev/ipod not /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd |
| 13:08.37 | coachz | How to bzip2 my /etc dir and everything under it? Is this close? tar -cjf etc.tar.bz2 /etc/*.* |
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| 13:08.48 | jm_ | coachz: no |
| 13:08.54 | mike_ | Xemacs_: yeah i found it |
| 13:09.13 | kingk | woow, my fluxbox is dying down too, some kind of socket communication error |
| 13:09.16 | PerfDave | infodroid: Encouraging iPods is not cool ;) |
| 13:09.43 | coachz | jm_, what should it be? |
| 13:09.46 | Giovanni | guys if i want unistall a program that i've installed with ./configure make make install how i can do? |
| 13:09.47 | jm_ | coachz: /etc |
| 13:09.51 | infodroid | PerfDave: if you're bungled with one then it can be fun |
| 13:09.59 | juhov | coachz: lose the *.* |
| 13:10.03 | directhex|work | Giovanni, if you're very lucky, make uninstall from the same folder |
| 13:10.13 | coachz | how do *'s work in linux? is *. just dirs and *.* just files ? |
| 13:10.33 | directhex|work | Giovanni, if not, delete it by hand, because you definitely put it in /usr/local/foo or /opt/foo and not /usr didn't you |
| 13:11.01 | zarchne | coachz: exactly how * works depends on your shell (bash) |
| 13:11.25 | zarchne | coachz: tar does recusion automatically |
| 13:11.25 | coachz | is this anything to worry about? tar -cjf etc.tar.bz2 /etc says: tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 13:11.26 | directhex|work | !tell Giovanni about msg |
| 13:11.35 | juhov | coachz: no |
| 13:11.41 | coachz | cool, i extracted and it looks good. thanks a lot |
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| 13:11.59 | zarchne | coachz: no, that just means when you untar, it won't overwrite /etc unless you're in / |
| 13:12.03 | PerfDave | infodroid: Nah, just trade it in for a real music player ;) |
| 13:12.12 | lrobinot | hello all |
| 13:12.14 | coachz | ok, thanks |
| 13:12.21 | PerfDave | infodroid: Or do the sensible thing and smash it into pieces, set fire to it, piss on the ashes and post it back to Apple. |
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| 13:13.27 | directhex|work | or flog it on ebay for profit |
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| 13:13.47 | dave_ | sup! |
| 13:13.51 | dave_ | hi |
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| 13:14.12 | lrobinot | is there someone here that can help me ton configure my ircd-dancer-services, or provide me with a more appropirate channel ? |
| 13:14.20 | infodroid | PerfDave: i wouldn't have thought that was the sensible thing to do... =) |
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| 13:14.54 | Giovanni | !help |
| 13:14.58 | tommy | my windows key doesn't get mapped to Super_L when i hit xmodmap |
| 13:15.01 | banaan | i want to install grub into my new harddisk mbr how can i do this ? i tried grub-install /dev/sda but this doesn't work |
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| 13:15.07 | tommy | how can i fix this ? |
| 13:15.10 | PerfDave | infodroid: Seems pretty sensible to me. |
| 13:15.13 | coachz | zarchne, as a test i restored it in /temp/etc and a second time it DID overwrite it so I'm not sure what that message means |
| 13:15.38 | jm_ | lrobinot: edit its config file |
| 13:15.47 | infodroid | PerfDave: you can use it as a portable hd at least |
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| 13:16.06 | infodroid | PerfDave: stick an 80gig monster in there |
| 13:16.20 | lrobinot | jm_, I did it but I cant connect to the ircd server |
| 13:16.27 | PerfDave | infodroid: Or refuse to support the evil Apple hegemony in any way, shape or form. Principles, man! |
| 13:16.34 | jm_ | lrobinot: is it running? |
| 13:16.40 | stego | infodroid, hmm. If I boot the computer w/o the USB headset plugged in, then I can access both sound devices (if I later plug it in). But booting with headset plugged in seems to block the onboard soundcard. Any workarounds? |
| 13:16.56 | lrobinot | jm_, yes the server is up and running |
| 13:17.28 | jm_ | lrobinot: what does it say when you connect? |
| 13:17.33 | jm_ | well try and connect |
| 13:17.45 | infodroid | stego: when you do an lsmod, is it in there? do an lsmod | grep 'name-of-driver-for-soundcard' |
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| 13:18.27 | zarchne | coachz: just what it says, it's not storing leading /'s in the archive. So when you untar, it won't overwrite /etc, but etc in your current dir. |
| 13:18.33 | stego | infodroid, yes. The ONLY difference is snd-usb-audio is loaded when I plug in the headset. |
| 13:18.50 | lrobinot | jm_, I can connect with an IRC client, but the dancer-services give me the error Connected to 127.0.0.1:42398 / Server Error: Bogus server name |
| 13:18.51 | coachz | zarchne, thank you ;-) |
| 13:19.08 | infodroid | stego: snd-usb-audio vs ? (what is the other one) |
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| 13:19.23 | zarchne | coachz: BTW, * expansion is called "globbing", look for that when you read up on it. |
| 13:19.31 | stego | infodroid, there is no other one. When I plug it in, s-u-a is loaded. |
| 13:19.44 | coachz | okie |
| 13:19.47 | stego | infodroid, oh, snd-via82xx is always loaded. |
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| 13:20.04 | infodroid | PerfDave: there was a time when being an apple person meant you were sticking it to the man |
| 13:20.08 | kentpaul | is there a simple way to display the currently installed packages ? |
| 13:20.17 | directhex|work | kentpaul, dpkg -l |
| 13:20.25 | kentpaul | ah :) |
| 13:20.35 | Byakhee_ | kentpaul. dpkg -s |
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| 13:20.59 | jm_ | lrobinot: did you edit services.conf and set the right entries? |
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| 13:21.02 | kentpaul | that explains why my radeon 9800 pro doesnt work |
| 13:21.14 | tommy | infodroid: can you help me map my windows key, it shows keycode 115 but keysym 0x0, how can i fix this ? |
| 13:21.17 | kentpaul | xfree 4.1.0-16woody5 |
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| 13:21.33 | lrobinot | jm_: this is my question, I do not know what to put in services.conf |
| 13:22.05 | lrobinot | jm_: I simply do not understand the relation between C/N or V lines |
| 13:22.17 | infodroid | stego: so try doing echo 'options snd-usb-audio index=1' > /etc/modprobe.d/prefer-via |
| 13:22.21 | infodroid | stego: and then running update-modules |
| 13:22.22 | jm_ | lrobinot: I use N:127.0.0.1:Local services |
| 13:22.35 | infodroid | stego: then you need a reboot |
| 13:23.19 | lrobinot | jm_, what to put in the S line ? |
| 13:23.26 | stego | infodroid, fingers crossed. I'll see you on the other side. |
| 13:23.43 | infodroid | tommy: dunno, sorry |
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| 13:23.48 | jm_ | lrobinot: S:password:2ndfieldfromMline:port |
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| 13:24.05 | directhex|work | !tell Giovanni about msg |
| 13:24.10 | Giovanni | make unistall |
| 13:24.10 | Giovanni | make: *** No rule to make target `unistall'. Stop. |
| 13:24.10 | Giovanni | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.22 | caphuso | Giovanni: "unistall"? |
| 13:24.22 | greycat | !smite Giovanni |
| 13:24.49 | directhex|work | Giovanni, probably. fortunately, you compiled somewhere like /opt/foo and not /usr, which makes it easy. right? |
| 13:24.54 | lrobinot | jm_: i will try |
| 13:25.07 | tommy | thanks infodroid |
| 13:25.33 | tommy | caphuso: can you help me why xev shows my windows key as keycode 115 but keysym 0x0 |
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| 13:25.49 | stego | Thank you! |
| 13:25.50 | Giovanni | yes and so? |
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| 13:26.13 | caphuso | tommy: stop asking specific people for answers |
| 13:26.29 | tommy | caphuso: sorry.. 'bout that. |
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| 13:26.34 | Giovanni | ok ok i've wrong the command |
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| 13:26.44 | infodroid | tommy: on iBooks a lot of people are putting stuff in there /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 13:26.55 | stonie | hi.. what option do i use for postfix to set adresses it should not send mail to? |
| 13:27.04 | infodroid | stego: glad it worked, its a good feeling to have things work eh |
| 13:27.25 | infodroid | tommy: maybe google that |
| 13:27.38 | stego | infodroid, such a good feeling! I'll now lie in wait for the next unsuspecting headset user in here... I really appreciate that, thank you. |
| 13:27.43 | tommy | infodroid: i did that first.. but no specific results.. |
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| 13:28.03 | infodroid | stego: you're welcome |
| 13:28.10 | infodroid | oki ppl i got to go |
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| 13:28.42 | titi | hola |
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| 13:28.57 | pro | fuck i hate apple. apple are a bunch of stupid fux |
| 13:28.58 | mike_ | titi: aloh |
| 13:29.18 | titi | hola mike |
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| 13:29.27 | mike_ | hihi |
| 13:29.37 | mike_ | ;) |
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| 13:30.58 | leikh | cat5 utp is the name of modern network connectors, - but what are the big old ones called? i need to by an adaptor that goes from this old type to new cat5 utp, but i don't what to look for. |
| 13:31.15 | pro | there was arcnet and BNC |
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| 13:31.17 | Delph | leikh: "big old type" ? |
| 13:31.27 | directhex|work | leikh, 'big old ones'? and the connector is usually RJ45 |
| 13:31.30 | Delph | there are ones that are like 15-pin D-shaped sockets. |
| 13:31.38 | directhex|work | woo, token ring |
| 13:31.54 | Delph | which connect through magic converter into a rj45; if thats what you mean. |
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| 13:32.00 | jm_ | leikh: AUI? |
| 13:32.08 | Delph | jm_: that sounds like what i'm thinking of. |
| 13:32.15 | leikh | Delph: 15-pin D-shaped sockets sound like it |
| 13:32.29 | pro | AUX or AUI? i also cannot think what it was? |
| 13:32.49 | CarlosAlex | How to do to install flash pluggin in debian ?? |
| 13:33.09 | directhex|work | http://web51.hw-server.com/photo/aui.jpg |
| 13:33.13 | pro | if you look for R0nj4 on google the guys that make it (a lazer networking device) that uses that port |
| 13:33.19 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree i think |
| 13:33.27 | leikh | Delph: down at the university they have both wall socket types side by side. don't understand why. both types goes to the same switch... |
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| 13:34.24 | Giovanni | guys how i can send pvt msg in main chat? |
| 13:34.36 | CarlosAlex | E: Couldn't find package flashplugi |
| 13:34.55 | drac | CarlosAlex: you need to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:34.56 | pro | Giovanni, /server irc.debian.org should do it for you |
| 13:35.09 | CarlosAlex | E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-non-free |
| 13:35.17 | pro | wait, /server irc.debian.org nickname somemessage |
| 13:35.25 | Giovanni | ok |
| 13:35.26 | Delph | CarlosAlex: imagine not putting in extra dashes for no apparent reason =:) (its nonfree) |
| 13:35.26 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, edit your sources.list, change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' and i fecking said "flashplugin-nonfree", you can't add dashes for fun |
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| 13:35.44 | pro | Giovanni, or try /help or /msg or /query |
| 13:36.00 | directhex|work | or don't send private messages at all |
| 13:36.12 | CarlosAlex | E: Couldn't find package flashpluginnonfre |
| 13:36.13 | pro | oh well |
| 13:36.20 | CarlosAlex | E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:36.39 | directhex|work | <directhex|work> CarlosAlex, edit your sources.list, change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' |
| 13:36.41 | drac | E: stfu |
| 13:36.45 | pro | CarlosAlex, go to the macromedia site and get the tar.gz |
| 13:36.59 | drac | pro, no need to such actions. |
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| 13:37.03 | directhex|work | !info flashplugin-nonfree sarge |
| 13:37.05 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 13:37.08 | char0x30_ | Why would I have this: "iptables -I FORWARD -i $LAN_DEV -d 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP" for nat? Why do I want to drop anything on the LAN device destined for the LAN? |
| 13:37.15 | directhex|work | !info flashplugin-nonfree woody |
| 13:37.28 | CarlosAlex | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.kernel.org testing/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 13:37.45 | directhex|work | run apt-get update. |
| 13:38.18 | CarlosAlex | pro, I will do that |
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| 13:38.47 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, bad idea, it'll break things, but feel free to do it if you can't follow simple instructions |
| 13:39.09 | CarlosAlex | directhex|work, but it didnt work |
| 13:39.12 | CarlosAlex | your tip |
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| 13:39.28 | drac | tip? it's a fact, and it will work. |
| 13:39.37 | stew | CarlosAlex: you either need to apt-get update or your mirror is (temporarily) broken |
| 13:39.41 | Ronin | CarlosAlex: try not using mirrors.kernel.org, i think they're borked right now, i had to comment them out for apt to work this week |
| 13:39.45 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, so you ran 'apt-get update' after editing your sources.list, then 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' ? |
| 13:40.13 | MobyTurbo | CarlosAlex: I had problems with kernel.org too, try debian.uchicago.edu |
| 13:40.43 | Doat | I can't connect to the internet from debian though ppp0 is up. I managed to do this earlier but it stopped working after i booted. I've tried almost all possible configs with pppoeconf but with no results. Does somebody know what could be wrong? |
| 13:40.57 | PerfDave | Doat: What do you mean by "can't connect"? |
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| 13:41.11 | Doat | PerfDave: well.. is just gives "Host not found" |
| 13:41.15 | Doat | it* |
| 13:41.20 | PerfDave | Doat: What is "it"? |
| 13:41.25 | leikh | no, it's not an RJ45 socket. it's big, and the jack is big as well. the other end is a regular RJ45. any ideas? |
| 13:41.33 | Doat | PerfDave: wget, irssi, everything |
| 13:41.48 | directhex|work | Doat, check your resolv.conf |
| 13:41.49 | vulture | leikh: sounds like a patch cable |
| 13:41.53 | PerfDave | Doat: Do you have your DNS servers set up? Are they traceroutable? |
| 13:41.55 | vulture | by big you mean wide, flat |
| 13:42.01 | vulture | rectangular |
| 13:42.05 | Doat | directhex|work: i did. the dns addresses are the same i use with my winxp computer |
| 13:42.16 | Doat | and with winxp it works |
| 13:42.16 | vulture | no idea what it's called, but I think I've seen it before |
| 13:42.18 | takatumi | Doat: try pinging a numeric ip |
| 13:42.28 | OddSocks | I get segmentation fault when trying to test yardradius. Works OK with auth, but dies at accounting. Can anyone help here? |
| 13:42.34 | leikh | vulture: ok. i'll look it up. |
| 13:42.36 | CarlosAlex | Im running apt-get update |
| 13:42.39 | sep | leikh: it could be a token ring connector |
| 13:42.48 | Doat | takatumi: Destination Net Unreachable |
| 13:43.01 | PerfDave | Doat: Then your ppp config is knackered. |
| 13:43.10 | Doat | knackered? |
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| 13:43.30 | PerfDave | Kaput. Not working. It is an ex ppp config. |
| 13:43.37 | stew | !dict knacker |
| 13:43.38 | dpkg | Dictionary 'knacker' (4 shown; 5 total): someone who buys up old horses for slaughter ;; 2. One of two or more pieces of bone or wood held loosely between the fingers, and struck together by moving the hand; -- called also clapper. --Halliwell. ;; someone who buys old buildings or ships and breaks them up to recover the materials in them ;; Knacker \Knack"er\, n. 1. One who makes knickknacks, toys, etc. --Mortimer.. |
| 13:43.41 | Ronin` | well that was interesting |
| 13:43.51 | stew | !dict knackered |
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| 13:43.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'knackered' very tired [syn: {drained}] |
| 13:44.26 | Doat | PerfDave: what can try to get it working? |
| 13:44.28 | MobyTurbo | heh, they didn't include PerfDave's new definition yet. |
| 13:44.29 | caphuso | Doat: try the "defaultroute" and "replacedefaultroute" options of pppd |
| 13:44.33 | OddSocks | I have stable. Can I apt-get install packages from unstable somehow, or is that 'bad'? |
| 13:44.39 | PerfDave | "PerfDave's new definition". FFS, speak english. |
| 13:44.43 | PerfDave | OddSocks: That is bad. |
| 13:44.49 | PerfDave | OddSocks: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:44.52 | caphuso | OddSocks: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 13:45.03 | blowfish | hello i got a problem installing apache2 |
| 13:45.13 | blowfish | 1st i dont want to install apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 13:45.15 | blowfish | i want -prefork |
| 13:45.24 | blowfish | and second i get an error related to cgi.load file |
| 13:45.27 | PerfDave | blowfish: So install prefork. |
| 13:45.27 | blowfish | who does exist there |
| 13:45.30 | OddSocks | I can't get yardradius to work, can see freeradius available in unstable. Almost a complete newbie :( |
| 13:45.31 | stew | !depends apache2 |
| 13:45.33 | dpkg | apache2: depends on apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.53-2) | apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.53-2) | apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.53-2) |
| 13:45.37 | Doat | caphuso: no effect |
| 13:45.37 | davidcsi | anyone knows the 1000Mbps ethernet distance limitation? |
| 13:45.39 | stew | blowfish: ^^^ you have to |
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| 13:45.52 | blowfish | and even in worker i get the same error |
| 13:45.56 | blowfish | dont know how to solve this issues |
| 13:45.58 | blowfish | issue |
| 13:46.09 | stew | blowfish: oh, what happenes when you apt-get install apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork? |
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| 13:46.18 | leikh | sep: yup, this is what i'm looking for http://www.stonewallcable.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=113&pf%5Fid=P%2D15024 |
| 13:46.27 | blowfish | stew error on apache2-mpm-prefork cause is cgi.load file |
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| 13:47.03 | Doat | when i type plog it gives "Feb 10 16:49:03 localhost pppd[3511]: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500 |
| 13:47.30 | Doat | and Couldn't increase MRU to 1500 |
| 13:47.34 | stew | blowfish: i'm not sure i understood that. You are saying apt-get fails when trying to install -prefork? checked the bts? |
| 13:47.44 | blowfish | stew yes |
| 13:48.01 | blowfish | and i get the same error even if i gona install -worker |
| 13:48.42 | PerfDave | OddSocks: Look at http://www.backports.org/ to see if someone has compiled freeradius for unstable. otherwise you'll have to backport it yourself. You can't just install Unstable .debs onto Stable without breaking stuf. |
| 13:48.56 | stew | blowfish: did you look at #291083 |
| 13:49.14 | OddSocks | PerfDave: Thanks :) |
| 13:49.21 | leikh | sep: why on earth did people in the late nineties install both rj45 and token ring wall sockets side by side? |
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| 13:49.47 | PerfDave | OddSocks: If you need to backport it yourself, read the APT HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/ or just type "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
| 13:50.14 | blowfish | stego |
| 13:50.16 | blowfish | sorry |
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| 13:50.22 | blowfish | stew look where? |
| 13:50.28 | mike_ | what basic compiling programs do i need? i keep getting this error : checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:50.37 | PerfDave | !b-e mike_ |
| 13:50.38 | dpkg | mike_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 13:50.47 | mike_ | sounds good to me |
| 13:50.52 | stew | blowfish: that bug seems like it could be related but i'm not too familiar with apache2 |
| 13:50.55 | blowfish | It looks like you've deleted /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load, so mod_cgid cannont be enabled. To fix this, please purge and reinstall apache2-common. |
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| 13:51.01 | blowfish | i get this error |
| 13:51.02 | blowfish | all the time |
| 13:51.07 | Doat | woohoo its working! |
| 13:51.13 | stew | blowfish: yeah, exactly, look at #291083 |
| 13:51.19 | mike_ | thanks mate |
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| 13:51.41 | blowfish | stew if u give me the complete link i gona look |
| 13:51.48 | blowfish | what is #xxxx.? |
| 13:51.52 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 13:51.53 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:51.58 | Doat | I disconnected from the internet with winxp and then pppoeconfed debian and then it worked ok. |
| 13:51.59 | toresbe | How do I override WGETs attempts to use FTP passive mode? |
| 13:52.02 | OddSocks | PerfDave: Nothing else on the server - should I just rebuild to 'unstable' or is that bad for a live box? |
| 13:52.08 | toresbe | I have RTFM'ed |
| 13:52.12 | Doat | and i can connect to the internet with winxp now too |
| 13:52.12 | stew | blowfish: bugs.debian.org/291083 ; i thought you checked the bts |
| 13:52.23 | blowfish | stew nope i dont check them sorry |
| 13:52.56 | MobyTurbo | OddSocks: if you need to ask, you shouldn't do it. |
| 13:53.19 | OddSocks | LOL :) I'll take that as a 'no' then :) |
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| 13:54.36 | PerfDave | OddSocks: That's very bad for a live box. It's pretty bad all round really. |
| 13:54.47 | PerfDave | OddSocks: Backport the version of Freeradius from Sarge or Sid. |
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| 13:54.54 | InKubus | how can you tile windows in xchat? |
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| 13:55.07 | directhex|work | with a felt pen |
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| 13:55.19 | InKubus | can i borrow a felt pen? |
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| 13:55.48 | InKubus | or is it on apt? :P |
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| 13:56.07 | InKubus | i take it that's a no |
| 13:56.13 | streuner__ | InKubus: you are OT, we support open source... |
| 13:56.25 | InKubus | ah |
| 13:56.27 | InKubus | i appologise |
| 13:56.37 | toresbe | huh? |
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| 13:56.53 | jerome | hi all |
| 13:57.03 | MobyTurbo | !confuse toresbe |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | Yes, them is their bacon tomorrow, toresbe? shirts of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra ham |
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| 13:57.21 | OddSocks | Thanks, Dave. I'm not sure whether I'm 'testing' yardradius properly. I really need to find out what a real transaction looks like. (I'm an ISP, but I've been using someone else's radius for 8 years. Now I'm going alone.) |
| 13:57.42 | OddSocks | ie perhaps I'm killing it. |
| 13:57.48 | gilles | Does alcohol120 exists on Linux, if not, is there an equivalent ? |
| 13:57.59 | directhex|work | gilles, no and no |
| 13:57.59 | OddSocks | like petrol in a diesel motor *grin* |
| 13:58.14 | streuner__ | giles: what's 'alcohol120' at all? |
| 13:58.18 | CarlosAlex | great |
| 13:58.25 | CarlosAlex | flash plugin installed |
| 13:58.26 | directhex|work | gilles, you can mount basic iso's, and convert cdrwin images to iso (losing the subcode data) |
| 13:58.37 | directhex|work | streuner__, high accuracy cd cloner/mounter for widows |
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| 13:59.38 | directhex|work | streuner__, high accuracy as in it can successfully copy the purposefully mangled sectors on a normal copy-protected cd such as a game. |
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| 13:59.51 | jerome | I was wondering about using my desktop computer as a terminal server for my old SS20 (I would turn into a X terminal). Basically, a terminal server is a NFS server with a reserved place for exporting a kernel, a base system and a X server to the X terminal via the network). However, if the server and the client are not of the same arch, what kind of package do I need to install ? |
| 14:00.17 | OddSocks | Thanks all for advice. Will go away and read. |
| 14:00.22 | gilles | directhex|work: it's to mount the iso of the french dictionary Le Robert that i bought for windows, it works well with wine, but always asks for the cd to be in the drive. I did an iso of it, but i don't know how to mount it |
| 14:00.22 | CarlosAlex | thanks all |
| 14:00.27 | flankk | hey, i was using rsync fine an now suddenly it gives me 'rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(359)' i have no clue why it would suddenly stop working, anyone else know? |
| 14:00.28 | ricky_clarkson | jerome, I doubt that the architectures involved will be that important. |
| 14:00.31 | greycat | jerome: I think basically you'd want a sparc installation of Debian in a chroot on the file server. |
| 14:00.38 | CarlosAlex | Here the best place to get help |
| 14:00.43 | jm_ | jerome: you'll need binaries for the proper arch, stick it somewhere in say /usr/local/xterminal and export that |
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| 14:01.14 | sml | jesus that was too much pizzaaaaaa |
| 14:01.26 | streuner__ | drink more |
| 14:01.31 | directhex|work | gilles, mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt/mountpoint |
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| 14:02.45 | jerome | jm_, yep I guessed that, i was wondering about packages so far ... |
| 14:02.49 | jerome | anyway |
| 14:02.53 | era | hi there if I want to run debian on a amd64 machine I need to intall the ia32 version? |
| 14:03.01 | jerome | nup |
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| 14:03.07 | jerome | ia64 is itanium iirc |
| 14:03.09 | jm_ | jerome: heh that won't work just like that |
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| 14:03.21 | jm_ | era: or use AMD64 installer |
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| 14:03.45 | directhex|work | era, you can install and i386 debian, or use the sid amd64 |
| 14:03.59 | directhex|work | era, both work, for specific values of 'work' |
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| 14:04.23 | era | hence there is no stable version for amd64 |
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| 14:04.50 | directhex|work | no stable or testing for amd64, no |
| 14:05.06 | directhex|work | but running early 2002's woody on late 2004's amd64 is moronic |
| 14:05.15 | xpato | how can i force amavis to send a mail, blocked now like spam |
| 14:05.16 | JohnFlux | do I have to restart anything after modifying /etc/procmailrc |
| 14:05.19 | directhex|work | as for sarge, you can run i386 sarge fine |
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| 14:05.36 | stew | era: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:05.47 | chugga | !opera |
| 14:05.47 | dpkg | hmm... opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under the hood. no java support |
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| 14:06.34 | stew | xpato: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:06.35 | directhex|work | bit of an old factoid that |
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| 14:06.57 | ebeingessner | ls |
| 14:06.58 | stew | how would anyone know if opera is nice under the hood? |
| 14:07.13 | xsdg | stew: decompile? ;o) |
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| 14:07.18 | era | thankz all :) |
| 14:07.35 | mike_ | should i install apache or apache2? what major difference is there? |
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| 14:07.55 | greycat | if you have to ask, you want "apache". It's better tested, more reliable, fewer glitches and weird errors. |
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| 14:08.14 | mike_ | greycat: that sounds good to me, thanks mate |
| 14:08.16 | greycat | apache2 is the gentoo of web servers. |
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| 14:08.21 | xpato | a friend it sending an email throu my server to 4 people, im amavis its blocking it, like if was a spam |
| 14:08.24 | xpato | but its no |
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| 14:08.39 | mike_ | greycat: bah! i want the web server stable |
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| 14:10.53 | blowfish | stew thanks |
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| 14:12.04 | flankk | mike_, i would reccomend apache2, personally. |
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| 14:13.30 | directhex|work | high uptime is another way of saying 'insecure kernel' |
| 14:13.40 | blowfish | stew completly remove all packages related to apache |
| 14:13.45 | blowfish | and install again and got the same error |
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| 14:14.32 | greycat | well, blowfish seems to have an apache2 problem, so y'all with the "no problems here" are not the only story.... |
| 14:14.33 | jerome | directhex|work: unfortunatly, I have to agree with you |
| 14:15.38 | flankk | seems to be an install problem, which is another story. |
| 14:15.44 | greycat | Web Results 1 - 10 of about 253,000 for apache2 problem. (0.19 seconds) |
| 14:16.05 | jerome | googlefight then |
| 14:16.16 | directhex|work | Results 1 - 10 of about 9,150,000 for apache problem. (0.37 seconds) |
| 14:16.16 | flankk | Results 1 - 10 of about 9,160,000 for apache problem. |
| 14:16.19 | flankk | lol |
| 14:16.24 | stew | blowfish: i'd try saving configs, purging and reinstalling |
| 14:16.24 | greycat | it's hard to do a proper googlefight, since "apache problem" is going to come up with both apache2 and apache1 |
| 14:16.25 | devazion | directhex|work how do you mean with high uptime = insecure kernel? |
| 14:16.32 | greycat | and most people wouldn't write "I have a problem with apache1" |
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| 14:17.10 | directhex|work | devazion, if you have a massive uptime, you have a kernel at least as old as the uptime, and generally there are kernel vulnerablities addressed by new kernels |
| 14:17.17 | greycat | devazion: because you have failed to update the kernel for the latest round of security problems |
| 14:17.26 | flankk | more people will have problems with apache2 because they don't know wtf they're doing, just less people are using it since it is relatively new. |
| 14:17.48 | kpanik | about iptables, in wich file do you redirect iptables logs ? |
| 14:17.54 | devazion | directhex|work oh, k. i understand now. :) |
| 14:19.04 | flankk | directhex|work, interesting that you get 10, 000 less :| |
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| 14:19.07 | stew | googlefight for "apache 1.3.33 problem" and "apache 2.0.52 problem" isn't even close (way more for apache2) |
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| 14:19.57 | ricky_clarkson | stew, google for sourceforget - see how stupid da Innernet is. |
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| 14:20.27 | greycat | kpanik: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 14:20.34 | noid2 | good aft |
| 14:20.36 | flankk | they are pretty near the same for administration, and problems has less to do with stability as it does knowing how to configure it properly. |
| 14:20.38 | sml | hi again ricky :) |
| 14:20.53 | ricky_clarkson | sml, rick<tab> |
| 14:21.02 | sml | ricky: it doesn't work |
| 14:21.07 | noid2 | holy shit this channel is huge ! |
| 14:21.08 | sml | if i hit tab i get "/msg" |
| 14:21.18 | sml | noid2: thats almost what she said to me last night! |
| 14:21.26 | sml | s/channel/<censored>/cg |
| 14:21.26 | ricky_clarkson | sml, upgrade your IRC client. |
| 14:21.32 | sml | ricky: its epic4.. |
| 14:21.37 | ricky_clarkson | Exactly. |
| 14:21.43 | noid2 | sml: heheehe |
| 14:21.44 | sml | maybe its something to do with screen ?! it did work |
| 14:22.04 | ricky_clarkson | Use irssi, it's more betterererer. |
| 14:22.06 | sml | in fact im sure its something to do with screen... |
| 14:22.12 | caphuso | sml: no |
| 14:22.25 | noid2 | so freenode is where everyone is at ... |
| 14:22.27 | sml | I wonder why I get "/msg" when i hit tab then ? |
| 14:22.37 | sml | nick[tab] gives "/msg" |
| 14:22.45 | caphuso | sml: probably because you're using a different script than before |
| 14:22.52 | sml | no no im still using splitfire |
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| 14:22.53 | Nosf3ratu | Sorry, the SQL server is temporarily down. |
| 14:22.54 | flankk | noid2, usually only 12 people up at a time -.- |
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| 14:23.41 | noid2 | flankk: yeah i can see. wow. just came as a shocker to me, that i did not know about this place |
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| 14:24.00 | sml | ricky_clarkson: well i can always type your name in full if you like :) |
| 14:24.27 | ricky_clarkson | sml, I only have my client highlight my full name. If you type ricky I might not notice. |
| 14:24.33 | sml | ah ok. |
| 14:24.36 | sml | well ill use ircii |
| 14:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | irssi |
| 14:24.47 | sml | is irssi console ? |
| 14:24.49 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 14:24.52 | sml | ok Cool. |
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| 14:25.00 | sml | brb, with irssi.... |
| 14:25.02 | sml | :) |
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| 14:25.30 | clojster | maybe a little off-topic, but where are defined font sizes for Firefox? (I mean - how to change font size in application - menus) - when I change it in gtk-theme it doesn't work |
| 14:25.42 | ricky_clarkson | Does firefox even use gtk? |
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| 14:25.47 | chugga | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 14:25.49 | sml | erm.... |
| 14:25.50 | caphuso | chugga: dpkg -i |
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| 14:25.58 | asg | clojster: preferences -> fonts & colors -> display resolution |
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| 14:26.01 | chugga | cap, cheers |
| 14:26.02 | sml | "Package irssi has no available version, but exists in the database." |
| 14:26.07 | sml | its not in 3.0 ? |
| 14:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | sml, irssi-text |
| 14:26.09 | caphuso | sml: irssi-text |
| 14:26.10 | clojster | ricky_clarkson: I think so... |
| 14:26.26 | sml | ok thanks caphuso |
| 14:26.35 | mike_ | be l33t and use bitchx |
| 14:26.37 | mike_ | rofl |
| 14:26.39 | xenoduck | clojster: .firefox/default/[profile_name]/chrome/userChrome.css |
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| 14:26.42 | valdyn_ | !info irssi-text woody |
| 14:26.53 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-3.1 (woody), Packaged size: 678 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 14:26.56 | stew | mike_: be less l33t and don't say silly things like rofl |
| 14:26.57 | sml | requires libglib1.2 |
| 14:26.58 | xenoduck | * { |
| 14:26.58 | xenoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.58 | xenoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.58 | xenoduck | } |
| 14:26.59 | ricky_clarkson | Optional? wtf?! |
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| 14:27.04 | xenoduck | oops :-( |
| 14:27.10 | mike_ | stew: im kidding dude |
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| 14:27.20 | mike_ | stew: didn't u get that impression? |
| 14:27.30 | sml | mike_ bitchx is gay. I used to use zenirc.. |
| 14:27.30 | chugga | im getting this error when running ntpdate, 10 Feb 09:26:33 ntpdate[6367]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 14:27.37 | chugga | any ideas how to get around it? |
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| 14:27.38 | ricky_clarkson | rofl harris! |
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| 14:27.49 | mike_ | sml: what do u use now? |
| 14:27.58 | sml | mike_ epic, with very basic script |
| 14:28.01 | xenoduck | chugga: Add your ntp server to /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 14:28.12 | sml | in fact RIGHT now im using ircii |
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| 14:28.38 | sml | erm in fact im not its epic4-1.1.2 but im just apt-geting irssi |
| 14:28.39 | zombics | when i am trying to compile a [program i get this error"checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" what i need to do? :\ |
| 14:28.49 | sml | apt-get install XMl-Parser |
| 14:29.00 | jm_ | zombics: install given Perl module |
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| 14:29.09 | sml | or you can use perl -MCPAN -e shell, then installl XML::Parser |
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| 14:29.14 | lrobinot | jm_: it does not work :-( dancer-ircd give me the error (md5 paswwd mismatch) and I have created the password in services.conf by the command "mkpasswd -Hmd5 thepass", "thepass" is the second argument of the N:line of the ircd.conf |
| 14:29.16 | sml | im not sure which is "the prefered way" |
| 14:29.23 | caphuso | no, apt-get install libxml-parser-perl |
| 14:29.31 | |ann | hello, can anyone explain me how comes telnet does not use /etc/hosts for hostnames resolution if you have dns entries in resolv.conf, and this despite the fact nswwitch is correct and other tools like ping and netcat actually use this file ? |
| 14:29.32 | caphuso | and avoid the CPAN shell thing at all costs |
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| 14:29.46 | sml | caphuso : is it bad ? i've used it to install things before |
| 14:30.01 | greycat | |ann: strace -o /tmp/log -s 512 telnet www.yahoo.com |
| 14:30.07 | jm_ | lrobinot: I use cleartext password in services.conf and encrypted one in ircd.conf |
| 14:30.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat, will that show the packets being sent? |
| 14:30.24 | caphuso | sml: it can mess things up pretty badly, and using dh-make-perl is much nicer anyways |
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| 14:30.28 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it shows EVERYTHING. |
| 14:30.43 | sml | lol. irssi-text "....houldn't judge the whole client as crap based on them. |
| 14:30.43 | greycat | or at least the first 512 bytes of everything |
| 14:31.01 | sml | caphuso: ill remember that then.. |
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| 14:31.14 | sml | its just simpler than remembering the package name when you use more than one distro of linux |
| 14:31.15 | xenoduck | You're welcome, asshole. |
| 14:31.16 | bsd1 | hi, friends! |
| 14:31.20 | xenoduck | (clojster) |
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| 14:31.43 | stew | sml: you can always apt-file search XML/Parser.pm |
| 14:31.43 | sml_ | hrm.. |
| 14:31.54 | sml_ | this irssi is quite nice |
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| 14:32.14 | caphuso | stew: even easier: perl module Foo::Bar will be called "libfoo-bar-perl" |
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| 14:32.22 | sml_ | does it have all standard console based window commands ? /window server , etc ? |
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| 14:32.54 | jm_ | sml: no, they're different, it's sometimes hard to get it to behave like ircii |
| 14:32.55 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 14:33.12 | |ann | greycat : done that already, telnet does open /etc/hosts, it just does not seem to actually use it |
| 14:33.16 | mike_ | sml: i got pissed off at irssi cause it didn't let me connect to 2 servers at once. fuck knows why. i changed back to bitchx. |
| 14:33.24 | bsd1 | how do i verify all the installed packages for missing and, or modified files? |
| 14:33.28 | asg | mike_: /server +newserver |
| 14:33.33 | caphuso | mike_: that's because you're to lame to read the irssi docs |
| 14:33.34 | stew | mike_: /connect newserver |
| 14:33.38 | jm_ | hehe |
| 14:33.42 | mike_ | asg: heh. i couldn't be bothered |
| 14:33.49 | greycat | |ann: look for typos. |
| 14:34.14 | |ann | it is not a typo. ping and netcat works with the same hostname |
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| 14:34.32 | jm_ | |ann: I remember something like telnet using AAAA record first, that may be it |
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| 14:34.48 | jm_ | try telnet -4 |
| 14:34.59 | sml | u should try using zenirc.el |
| 14:35.09 | greycat | 09:35 There is no such nick u |
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| 14:35.27 | greycat | bsd1: try 'debsums' |
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| 14:35.41 | |ann | jm_ : would that mean telent is not using standard resolution function, like gethostbyname and stuff ? |
| 14:35.43 | lrobinot | jm_: you are my lord... IT WORK'S!!! |
| 14:35.54 | lrobinot | jm_: Thank you very much |
| 14:36.00 | resiak | !apostrophesmite lrobinot |
| 14:36.03 | [HuGo] | ss |
| 14:36.06 | [HuGo] | lol |
| 14:36.09 | jm_ | lrobinot: enjoy |
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| 14:36.32 | lrobinot | @+ |
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| 14:37.03 | resiak | Tell me @+ is à bientôt? |
| 14:37.30 | jm_ | |ann: I don't remember the details anymore, try telnet -4 -- and I think it's using resolver, however you can specify different options to the resolver |
| 14:37.37 | resiak | $class->sequence('factoids_id_seq');# pgsql! |
| 14:37.43 | resiak | Uh, whoops. |
| 14:37.56 | sml | p3rl. |
| 14:38.05 | |ann | jm_ I did try that, thx anyway |
| 14:38.13 | resiak | sml: y34h. |
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| 14:38.19 | sml | resiak: lol |
| 14:38.20 | *** part/#debian |ann (~ianlov@62.93.224.123) |
| 14:38.20 | greycat | |ann: when in doubt, use the source. |
| 14:38.27 | sml | use the source LUKE |
| 14:38.32 | greycat | use the source ANN |
| 14:38.35 | greycat | ;-) |
| 14:38.40 | zombics | when i am trying to run a program(gnomad2) i get this error: "gnomad2: error while loading shared libraries: libnjb-2.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director" |
| 14:38.44 | jm_ | so I guess that helped |
| 14:39.00 | asg | hehe "421 Lyris ListManager service too busy with 4294967295 cu |
| 14:39.01 | asg | rrent SMTP connections, please try again later |
| 14:39.11 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 14:39.14 | ricky_clarkson | That's 2^32 iirc |
| 14:39.18 | ricky_clarkson | !2**32 |
| 14:39.18 | dpkg | 4294967296 |
| 14:39.22 | ricky_clarkson | 2^32-1 |
| 14:39.24 | resiak | YRC |
| 14:39.57 | greycat | if you actually have 2^32-1 active SMTP connections on one box, I'll eat my mouse. |
| 14:40.01 | ricky_clarkson | DOS used to tell me that I had a file that big on my floppy disk. |
| 14:40.02 | jm_ | heh |
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| 14:40.24 | asg | greycat: probably a one-off bug in the remote (just saw it in my outbound gateway logs) |
| 14:40.27 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Were you there when directhex|work discovered a similar bug in wget? |
| 14:40.37 | greycat | asg: something probably returned -1.... |
| 14:40.48 | sml | two's complement number |
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| 14:40.53 | ricky_clarkson | resiak, Nope. |
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| 14:41.30 | atp | is it just me or does slashdot really suck these days |
| 14:41.44 | sml | It's sucked for a few years now.. |
| 14:41.51 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: He was downloading a SuSE DVD, and on 32-bit boxen the "bytes downloaded" became negative, whereas on his AMD64 all was okay. |
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| 14:42.35 | atp | sml: you may be right about that. |
| 14:42.54 | atp | sml: but just when you thought it couldn't get any lamer, it does. i used to be able to waste hours of time happily there. |
| 14:44.09 | greycat | several years ago, slashdot stopped being "all Linux users bashing windows", and now it's like 90% windows users talking about their latest XP games and bugs. |
| 14:44.47 | stew | and neither state was particularly interesting |
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| 14:45.21 | ^c | the state of change was, when the linux users started bashing the windows users |
| 14:45.26 | sml | greycat: i only read the register now. |
| 14:45.32 | sml | and of course hte edupage newsletter |
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| 14:46.00 | wombachi | vmstat uses /proc/stat but nearly always give 92% idle cpu while top see it between 80% and 98%. how is it possible? |
| 14:46.00 | stew | sml: and the dwn, right :) |
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| 14:46.16 | sml | the debian weekly news ? ;) |
| 14:46.40 | jm_ | wombachi: it differs from one moment to another ... |
| 14:46.55 | sml | I also subscribe to the gentoo mailing list instead of the funny papers. |
| 14:47.06 | sml | Puts a smile of my face whilst im eating breakfast. |
| 14:47.20 | wombachi | jm_ yes, but they dont get same result, even run at the same time |
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| 14:48.25 | jm_ | wombachi: well they're not run at exactly the same time |
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| 14:49.48 | to_ | hi, i've got a PIV C (with hyperthreading-dong).Is it a good idea to install smp version of precompiled kernel? |
| 14:49.53 | vladster | ok, I got most things working, the only bugs left is that the system does not see the read write capability for DVD+r(W) |
| 14:50.19 | jm_ | vladster: what do you mean? |
| 14:50.48 | directhex|work | to_, yes. |
| 14:51.14 | to_ | oki thx |
| 14:51.33 | greycat | !dict dong |
| 14:51.35 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dong' (2 shown): go `ding dong', like a bell [syn: {ding}, {dingdong}] ;; the basic unit of money in Vietnam. |
| 14:52.06 | ^c | greycat: I give you two dongs for that elephant |
| 14:52.09 | stew | dict dong is also... |
| 14:52.18 | directhex|work | also http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dong |
| 14:52.29 | wombachi | jm_ mm think I got it. /proc/stat is cpu usage since boot. both top and vmstat are 'wrong' on the first display, and only get meaningful results after a few iterations. does it sounds reasonable? |
| 14:52.41 | jm_ | wombachi: no ;) |
| 14:52.41 | greycat | directhex|work: I was kinda hoping for something like that... |
| 14:53.01 | jm_ | but I have to run now |
| 14:53.03 | greycat | then I could ask how he got his dong to hyperthread |
| 14:53.05 | to_ | ;) |
| 14:53.23 | directhex|work | greycat, get dondelelcaro to patch dpkg to scan urbandictionary for definitions |
| 14:53.27 | wombachi | jm_ ok |
| 14:53.48 | greycat | dondelelcaro: you should patch dpkg to scan urbandictionary for definitions |
| 14:54.45 | stew | anyone know if there is a svn equiv. of cvs -n? |
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| 14:55.55 | vladster | k3b cant see the dual farmat cappabiliy |
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| 14:57.07 | directhex|work | vladster, worksforme(tm) |
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| 14:59.12 | kneet | stew, --dry-run? |
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| 15:00.10 | stew | kneet: thats the functionality i want, yes |
| 15:00.24 | stew | kneet: but that option doens't seem to exist |
| 15:00.42 | kneet | Hmm - got the option from the svn book - hang on |
| 15:00.44 | kingk | how do I select which default sound card to use cause my computer has two, and all of a suddence since I put in a second vid card the wrong sound card is being used by my system |
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| 15:01.26 | stew | kneet: subcommand 'update' doesn't accept option '--dry-run' |
| 15:01.27 | kneet | stew, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html and search for --dry-run - looks like it should exist |
| 15:02.12 | kneet | Have to admit I don't use that particular option much |
| 15:02.38 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 15:02.39 | dpkg | < galois> bethe: mutt? < bethe> bitch! |
| 15:02.44 | stew | kneet: yeah i see it. wierd |
| 15:03.04 | nksen | how can I remove modules taht are loaded on bootup? i know I add them with modconf, but how do I remove them? there are a lot of modules that are loaded by default that I do not need |
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| 15:03.15 | greycat | nksen: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:03.49 | Kerr | i'm trying to boot into my sarge install with kernel (hd1,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb0 followed by boot, but get kernel panic bad root= argument... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 15:04.02 | nksen | greycat: thx |
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| 15:05.18 | jetscreamer | does grub start counting from 0? (hdb0) |
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| 15:05.32 | Kerr | jetscreamer: yeah |
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| 15:06.36 | greycat | hopefully more sex and less violence. |
| 15:06.41 | greycat | grrr.... wrong channel. |
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| 15:06.43 | asg | hehe |
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| 15:06.48 | sml | greycat: LOL |
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| 15:07.02 | directhex|work | greycat, no, i think that'd be good here too |
| 15:07.24 | greycat | !fuck directhex|work |
| 15:07.37 | directhex|work | any idea how expensive glass dildos are? :/ |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | !how much is a glass dildo? |
| 15:07.54 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, abrotman |
| 15:07.59 | greycat | I haven't priced them lately, but probably not much more than the normal plastic ones |
| 15:08.02 | sml | or how DANGEROUS they must be |
| 15:08.15 | noid2 | im googling it |
| 15:08.19 | ricky_clarkson | They wouldn't necessarily be dangerous. |
| 15:08.22 | directhex|work | greycat, £150 give or take, last i checked |
| 15:08.25 | ricky_clarkson | !froogle glass dildo |
| 15:08.26 | asg | ricky_clarkson: only if they break |
| 15:08.36 | noid2 | http://www.blowfish.com/catalog/toys/glass_dildos.html |
| 15:08.41 | jetscreamer | kerr, initrd? (no idea) |
| 15:08.42 | ricky_clarkson | Glass doesn't have to be brittle. Look at ashtrays. |
| 15:08.44 | directhex|work | hurrah for blowfish.com |
| 15:08.55 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: apparently you've never dropped a glass ashtray |
| 15:09.06 | sml | also depends on the diameter of the WHOLE. lol |
| 15:09.14 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman, apparently you've never thought to lay carpet. |
| 15:09.31 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i prefer hardwood floors |
| 15:09.35 | jetscreamer | does the carpet get laid by the dildo? |
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| 15:09.43 | abrotman | !do the carpet |
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| 15:10.11 | greycat | http://www.libida.com/content/shop/toys/item.php?product_id=35&id=1298134784 $65.95 |
| 15:10.15 | ricky_clarkson | !act like marvin |
| 15:10.15 | dpkg | Would you like me to pick up a piece of paper, or just rust to oblivion? |
| 15:10.23 | directhex|work | noid2, obviously online is cheaper than high-street |
| 15:10.33 | directhex|work | greycat, same to you ^^ |
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| 15:10.51 | noid2 | the swirl looks nice |
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| 15:11.34 | ricky_clarkson | http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/11morbidbastid.jpg |
| 15:11.35 | noid2 | i wonder what the warming properties of glass are ...is it like a rock...or does itheat upfaster |
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| 15:11.59 | paulswm | perhaps there's one with a debian swirl |
| 15:12.00 | directhex|work | i think the instructions suggest you can warm it beforehand |
| 15:12.07 | directhex|work | warm rather than heat, mind you |
| 15:12.08 | greycat | noid2: I've wondered that too. But most of those dildos are designed for the type of people who have vaginas. So I can't really judge first-hand. |
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| 15:12.53 | directhex|work | it's a couple of months since i looked at this stuff |
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| 15:13.00 | noid2 | greycat: its $50+ she wont like it if its cold ...and i highly doubt you can return for refund |
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| 15:13.24 | noid2 | greycat: or sell it on ebay |
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| 15:13.29 | greycat | heh |
| 15:13.43 | sml | I bought my girlfriend a dildo and a copy of debian 3.0 woody on cd. |
| 15:13.51 | greycat | haha |
| 15:13.53 | sml | my figuring was that if she didn't like the woody she could go fuck herself |
| 15:13.55 | noid2 | tell them its been in my girlfriend ..with a pic of the web |
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| 15:14.00 | asg | haha |
| 15:14.02 | chugga | greycat, is there a way to make a debian live cd |
| 15:14.07 | asg | chugga: bootcd |
| 15:14.16 | chugga | !bootcd |
| 15:14.20 | FieldySnuts | meh |
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| 15:14.43 | greycat | !lame woody jokes |
| 15:14.44 | dpkg | woody jokes is completely not lame. |
| 15:14.52 | greycat | !literal lame woody jokes |
| 15:14.53 | dpkg | Ugh, woody jokes's aura of lame is affecting me! |
| 15:14.57 | greycat | dammit! |
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| 15:15.33 | greycat | WHY does a CMD: foo (.*?) always override a literal "foo bar" factoid? |
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| 15:16.06 | greycat | dondelelcaro: CMD: factoids should NOT mask factoids that exactly match the text the user typed in. E.g. "lame woody jokes" is now completely masked by "CMD: lame (.*?)" |
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| 15:16.30 | jetscreamer | yeah! |
| 15:16.37 | FieldySnuts | i agree! |
| 15:16.39 | FieldySnuts | or something. |
| 15:16.40 | paulswm | that's right! |
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| 15:16.51 | pro | ok, my iPod works now, you just have to love debian |
| 15:17.08 | a_monkey | i understand that "fbdev" is the driver i should use if i have an ATI radeon card? |
| 15:17.10 | directhex|work | as long as i don't have to love the ipod too |
| 15:17.44 | pro | directhex|work, i didnt say that, i said i love debian, the ipod is just 'nice' |
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| 15:17.56 | pro | a_monkey, correct, but somethings wont work then |
| 15:17.58 | directhex|work | a_monkey, for doing what? |
| 15:18.08 | quitte | how can i change the app that my browser (galeon) uses for a certain mimetype? |
| 15:18.14 | pro | a_monkey, you wont get 3D acceleration then |
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| 15:18.27 | abrotman | quitte: i'd guess you have to change the gnome mime-type |
| 15:18.30 | a_monkey | pro: right. all i need is a driver that works |
| 15:18.32 | directhex|work | ask nautilus to change the mimetype |
| 15:18.34 | abrotman | hang on sloopy! |
| 15:18.40 | a_monkey | later i'll download a 3d accel driver |
| 15:18.42 | directhex|work | !wayttd a_monkey |
| 15:18.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, a_monkey? |
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| 15:18.45 | quitte | abrotman ok. how? |
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| 15:19.07 | abrotman | quitte: hrm ... you may have to chage it with nautilus .. might be better to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:19.08 | jetscreamer | right click it and hit properties and add to 'open with' |
| 15:19.14 | a_monkey | directhex|work, i'm trying to select the proper driver for my ati video card |
| 15:19.21 | quitte | abrotman ok thanks. |
| 15:19.22 | paulswm | quitte: or read the gnome docs |
| 15:19.28 | directhex|work | a_monkey, in order to do what? what card? what debian version? |
| 15:19.36 | sloopy | abrotman: greets... had to do the yearly restart due to upgrade... ahh linux... i miss the daily coffee breaks of windows :') |
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| 15:19.49 | abrotman | sloopy: i was making fun of the song :) |
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| 15:20.12 | a_monkey | directhex|work, in order to have X be able to display graphics on my screen. ati radeon 9200. sarge |
| 15:20.13 | sloopy | abrotman: ;'P |
| 15:20.20 | chugga | abrotman, how did i do today? |
| 15:20.28 | greycat | a_monkey: that would be 'ati', then. |
| 15:20.28 | abrotman | sloopy: sorry .. would you rather i make fun of NJ ? |
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| 15:20.40 | abrotman | chugga: i just got here .. you haven't done anything yet |
| 15:20.44 | a_monkey | greycat: that has 3d accel? |
| 15:20.47 | MrWise | Where can I download debian for powerpc? I've been looking around debians website for a while now... |
| 15:20.47 | chugga | abrotman, cool |
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| 15:20.57 | sloopy | abrotman: there are only two good things to come out of NJ... my wife and the delaware memorial bridge ;') |
| 15:20.59 | xpato | hi |
| 15:21.05 | directhex|work | a_monkey, use 'ati' |
| 15:21.10 | xpato | how can i put a background image on X |
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| 15:21.15 | asg | xpato: xsetroot |
| 15:21.23 | abrotman | sloopy: don't forget that lovely accent :) .. and bn.com has a big warehouse there :) |
| 15:21.23 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:21.24 | ircdevil | ahahaha |
| 15:21.28 | directhex|work | a_monkey, that'll get you basic DRI-based acceleration if you want it, which is enough for opengl screensavers |
| 15:21.29 | pro | sloopy, what about hookers? |
| 15:21.30 | HelmutG | are there *any* plans to make tun (/dev/net/tun device) deprecated or obsolete? |
| 15:21.41 | abrotman | !win ircdevil |
| 15:21.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, ircdevil! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:21.42 | chugga | if i dont use proprietary drivers will my video playback suffer - will it suffer much? |
| 15:21.45 | sloopy | abrotman: yeah thats north joisey... i am in south... about 10mins south of atlantic city... |
| 15:21.45 | paulswm | !win ircdevil |
| 15:21.48 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil, you kde-fiddler you. |
| 15:21.53 | HelmutG | can i just use tun for applications that should also work in 5 years? |
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| 15:21.54 | MrWise | jetscreamer: k, whats "sarge" ? :( |
| 15:21.54 | jetscreamer | MrWise, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ eh |
| 15:21.56 | ixi-deb05 | hi |
| 15:21.59 | sloopy | pro: eeewwww |
| 15:22.01 | greycat | MrWise: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 15:22.07 | jetscreamer | !tell MrWise about d-i |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | sloopy: OC, ventnor,margate? ... my dad worked in AC Hospital for a few years |
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| 15:22.16 | ixi-deb05 | How to determine kernel version by kerne-file? |
| 15:22.20 | sloopy | paulswm: if you can reach it behind my desk, go ahead and push it... |
| 15:22.32 | a_monkey | MrWise: i use debian on my powerpc. do you want a minimal cd, or do you want to download all of the binaries? |
| 15:22.32 | jetscreamer | MrWise, if it's ;for a desktop, go sarge, if it's a server, go woody |
| 15:22.36 | sloopy | abrotman: little farther, somers point... |
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| 15:22.43 | MrWise | jet: aaaaaaaaah, kthx |
| 15:22.54 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha .. he doesn't live there anymore .. so i don't go down there at all |
| 15:23.04 | sloopy | abrotman: i think we discussed this once a year or two ago... |
| 15:23.06 | MrWise | macos is just screwd up so im going desktop ^^ |
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| 15:23.11 | chugga | i dont think i'll ever get tehse debian names - .. maybe i need to watch toystory |
| 15:23.14 | pro | sloopy, not that I have ever been there, infact i have only ever been out of my country once, and that was just for 2 days |
| 15:23.17 | a_monkey | well, i'm off to install debian |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | sloopy: it's entirely possible .. my memory leaks ... stupid pointers |
| 15:23.25 | sloopy | abrotman: i wouldnt go to nj if i didnt have to either... |
| 15:23.27 | xpato | asg, but i can put an jpg image |
| 15:23.29 | abrotman | sloopy: heh |
| 15:23.42 | xpato | i can not put a jpg image |
| 15:23.44 | jetscreamer | MrWise, you could put woody on a desktop, it's just that it's very very very very very very old |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: one too many "very"s |
| 15:23.58 | sloopy | abrotman: yeah i asked for a PPC (or atleast a m68k) CPU they gave me a 8086... |
| 15:24.03 | directhex|work | !woody desktop |
| 15:24.03 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
| 15:24.37 | directhex|work | !d-i MrWise |
| 15:24.37 | abrotman | sloopy: who did? |
| 15:24.37 | dpkg | MrWise, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:24.37 | pro | my mom uses woody on her machine as a desktop, its not too old |
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| 15:24.37 | ixi-deb05 | Anybody knows how to get kernel version by just a kernel's file? |
| 15:24.38 | jetscreamer | yeah you're right one too many |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | ixi-deb05: uname -r ? |
| 15:24.38 | stew | ixi-deb05: like /vmlinuz? |
| 15:24.39 | FieldySnuts | ixi-deb05: /usr/src/linux/Makefile |
| 15:24.39 | jetscreamer | ls -l /boot |
| 15:24.39 | sloopy | abrotman: my parents when they made me... i have all kinds of memory problems with my wetware.... |
| 15:24.39 | abrotman | err .. /proc ? |
| 15:24.42 | FieldySnuts | assuming linux/ is a symlink to the current kernel. |
| 15:24.42 | ixi-deb05 | stew: yes |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | sloopy: ah .. gotcha |
| 15:24.49 | ixi-deb05 | stew: no. bzImage :) |
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| 15:24.58 | stew | FieldySnuts: you are not supposed to create that symlink at all |
| 15:25.00 | MrWise | heh, ok, thanks all ^_^ |
| 15:25.09 | ixi-deb05 | FieldySnuts: its not mine kernel file |
| 15:25.11 | SniLLgUtt | hello, any debian channel on spanish? plz |
| 15:25.12 | abrotman | ixi-deb05: cat /proc/version ? |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:25.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:25.18 | ixi-deb05 | abrotman: its not loaded |
| 15:25.20 | jetscreamer | !spanis.... nm |
| 15:25.25 | abrotman | ixi-deb05: well .. load it .. jeez |
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| 15:26.14 | stew | ixi-deb05: srings | grep 2.4 or grep 2.6 maybe |
| 15:26.19 | abrotman | strings |
| 15:27.05 | stew | ixi-deb05: yeah strings works here |
| 15:27.31 | ixi-deb05 | stew, abrotman thnx, i got it ;) |
| 15:27.43 | abrotman | stew: do you sring in the shower ? |
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| 15:28.38 | FieldySnuts | strings kernel-file | sort | uniq | grep 2. |
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| 15:28.47 | Kerr | i'm trying to boot into my sarge install with kernel (hd1,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb followed by initrd /initrd.img followed by boot, but get kernel panic tried to kill init. what gives? |
| 15:28.57 | FieldySnuts | well match the period to a real period not that. however. |
| 15:29.03 | stew | abrotman: nope |
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| 15:29.39 | abrotman | Kerr: did you ask #grub ? |
| 15:29.39 | Kerr | aye |
| 15:29.43 | Kerr | they said it's not a grub issue |
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| 15:29.55 | zhrek | Hi! xpdf says: Error: No display font for 'Helvetica' |
| 15:30.19 | abrotman | initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd.img-blahblahblah .. iirc .. it could be wrong .. but grub has tab completion |
| 15:30.25 | ixi-deb05 | FieldySnuts: yes, thanx |
| 15:30.32 | Kerr | i'll try that |
| 15:30.34 | Kerr | thanks |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | Kerr: you need to set your root probably too ... |
| 15:31.35 | stew | Kerr: root=/dev/hdb?? shouldn't that be /dev/hdb1 or somehting? |
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| 15:31.46 | noid2 | how can i check the Mhz of my cpu ? |
| 15:31.46 | jetscreamer | it was hdb0 a few minutes ago |
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| 15:31.59 | noid2 | without restarting |
| 15:32.00 | abrotman | jetscreamer: heh |
| 15:32.12 | abrotman | noid2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 15:32.18 | abrotman | or dmesg |
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| 15:32.28 | noid2 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:33.23 | kluv | hi |
| 15:33.33 | noid2 | abrotman: why does it say /proc/cpuinfo: permission denied when i am root |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | damned if i know |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 15:34.04 | abrotman | since i can do it as a regular user |
| 15:34.10 | kluv | a channel debian italian? |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | noid2: wait .. it's `cat /proc/cpuinfo` .. |
| 15:34.21 | greycat | noid2: you're trying to run it? or cat it? or what? |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | you're using cat right |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:34.24 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 15:35.05 | noid2 | ok with cat it works |
| 15:35.13 | noid2 | i guess i was trying to run it |
| 15:35.15 | abrotman | yes .. cat works better than running it |
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| 15:36.15 | potato | does anybody use opengroupware.org ? i want to know what connector to use to get my evolution connected to ogo |
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| 15:36.37 | abrotman | potato: i think that has its own channel |
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| 15:36.41 | Lord-Cereburus | i use phpgroupware |
| 15:36.41 | Lord-Cereburus | heh |
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| 15:37.17 | fevel | I cant get my sound to work guys |
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| 15:37.19 | potato | abrotman yap, but it seems that they're all idle heh |
| 15:37.20 | linoleum | hello : does someone know MusicBox ??? is there a source to download it with apt-get ? |
| 15:37.28 | fevel | can someone help please |
| 15:37.29 | abrotman | potato: that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
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| 15:37.38 | abrotman | why doesn't your sound work? |
| 15:37.48 | jetscreamer | fevel did you do all the usual addgroup stuff? |
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| 15:38.04 | _Syzygy_ | hi there |
| 15:38.11 | jetscreamer | fevel, or does sound work for root? |
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| 15:38.13 | abrotman | !tell fevel about sound |
| 15:38.16 | abrotman | !tell fevel about audio |
| 15:38.30 | _Syzygy_ | i am new to linux and have a problem with an usb scanner, could anybody help me? |
| 15:38.42 | potato | abrotman i don't know if it's the right place or not, but i thought that i could find someone who's running it here... excuse me if i hurt your feelings |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | _Syzygy_: you're using debian ? |
| 15:38.51 | jetscreamer | !ell _Syzygy_ about ask |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | potato: i'm crushed .. |
| 15:38.55 | _Syzygy_ | I'm using Ubuntu |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:39.01 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 15:39.03 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
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| 15:39.18 | jetscreamer | if you use ubuntu, don't tell us you do! |
| 15:39.20 | boycer | _Syzygy_: run while you still can |
| 15:39.27 | _Syzygy_ | what happens??? |
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| 15:39.37 | jetscreamer | you get redirected to #ubuntu |
| 15:39.41 | kluv_ | thanks |
| 15:39.44 | greycat | _Syzygy_: /join #ubuntu |
| 15:39.49 | abrotman | like that :) |
| 15:39.58 | _Syzygy_ | I see... |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | fevel: no .. in here |
| 15:40.11 | _Syzygy_ | I have tried in that channel but nobody seems to know |
| 15:40.18 | fevel | sorry |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | surprise! |
| 15:40.21 | _Syzygy_ | so that's why i entered here! |
| 15:40.29 | jetscreamer | _Syzygy_, did you install sane? man sane. |
| 15:40.37 | fevel | i cant change my device on the mixer |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | fevel: i'm only partially here :) .. it's better to talk here .. others may have an idea |
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| 15:40.51 | _Syzygy_ | I don't know, but my problem seems to have to do with permissions |
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| 15:41.10 | _Syzygy_ | I can get xsane to detect my snapscan as root but not as a normal user |
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| 15:41.19 | fevel | yeah well... |
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| 15:41.24 | jetscreamer | _Syzygy_, there may be a grou[ you need to addgroup yourself to |
| 15:41.25 | abrotman | _Syzygy_: still not debian |
| 15:41.28 | fevel | im tearing my hair off |
| 15:41.31 | cfh_dev | hi all |
| 15:41.32 | abrotman | fevel: which mixer? |
| 15:41.37 | BucWheat | apt-get does not yield automake 1.7 even after changing sources.list to unstable |
| 15:41.47 | BucWheat | how can i obtain automake1.7 ? |
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| 15:41.52 | fevel | i installed kmix |
| 15:41.55 | ^c | _Syzygy: google for sane, linux usb-scanner, debian scanners, etc. |
| 15:41.57 | greycat | !find automake sid |
| 15:41.59 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'automake' (5 shown): automake1.4 ;; automake1.6 ;; automake1.7 ;; automake1.8 ;; automake1.9. |
| 15:42.01 | abrotman | fevel: does aumix work? |
| 15:42.01 | fevel | i cant change the device |
| 15:42.05 | greycat | !info automake1.7 sid |
| 15:42.07 | dpkg | automake1.7: (A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.7.9-7 (sid), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 1292 kB |
| 15:42.16 | jetscreamer | there is no automake |
| 15:42.17 | valdyn | BucWheat: apt-get update |
| 15:42.20 | greycat | you can't POSSIBLY have changed sources.list properly AND typed apt-get update. |
| 15:42.20 | cfh_dev | What would make grub start by printing GRUB all over the screen after a net install of 'testing'? |
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| 15:42.38 | Related | what is debian |
| 15:42.41 | fevel | yeah it works...but both are configuring my onboard sound card while i installed alsa on my pci |
| 15:42.42 | BucWheat | greycat i swear i did. i just changed testing to unstable and then ran apt-get update |
| 15:42.42 | Related | is it a disease |
| 15:42.44 | jetscreamer | cfh_dev, that's usual behavior for grub and d-i ... at least for me |
| 15:42.52 | SlayerXP | Related: yes, you can catch it by exposure to clues |
| 15:42.56 | greycat | BucWheat: try it again. |
| 15:42.58 | BucWheat | greycat was that not the proper way to do it ? |
| 15:43.00 | SlayerXP | Related: you're in no danger. |
| 15:43.06 | Related | lol cool |
| 15:43.08 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:43.11 | Related | computer stuff i see |
| 15:43.14 | cfh_dev | jetscreamer: how do I get around it? I've installed before with the same CD on different boxes but next got this. |
| 15:43.20 | jetscreamer | cfh_dev, you need to use a boot floppy or something, boot into the installation and repair grub.conf and run grub-update or whatever |
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| 15:43.34 | zarchne | BucWheat: did you save the file after you changed it? |
| 15:43.42 | jetscreamer | cfh_dev, i can't walk you through fixing grub cuz i just use lilo |
| 15:43.49 | BucWheat | zarchne sure did. i did :wq in vim |
| 15:44.10 | BucWheat | i have <mirror> unstable main |
| 15:44.11 | zarchne | BucWheat: just checking. It's happened to me. |
| 15:44.14 | BucWheat | in sources.list |
| 15:44.23 | cfh_dev | jetscreamer, thanks for the info. I don't have a floppy drive on the machine so I may have to resort to other measures. |
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| 15:44.43 | jetscreamer | cfh_dev, the woody cd makes a greast rescue disc if you have one laying around |
| 15:44.52 | fevel | where is a good place for me to get help on debian |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | here |
| 15:45.04 | greycat | fevel: #redhat. where do you THINK? |
| 15:45.06 | abrotman | fevel: did you do what dpkg told you to do? |
| 15:45.21 | jetscreamer | did he see what dpkg told him though |
| 15:45.24 | BucWheat | i figured out my problem |
| 15:45.30 | cfh_dev | jetscreamer, I only have the net install cd so I'm going to have to get creative. |
| 15:45.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: probably .. he tried to dcc me |
| 15:45.35 | fevel | yes i did |
| 15:45.37 | BucWheat | i was doing apt-get install automake and it would default to installing 1.4 |
| 15:45.43 | fevel | but closed the tab |
| 15:45.48 | ircdevil | aahahahahahah -> gone skiing |
| 15:45.52 | fevel | can u send again please |
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| 15:45.54 | BucWheat | after doing apt-cache search automake i saw automake1.7 and the rest is history :) |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | !tell fevel about audio |
| 15:45.59 | abrotman | !tell fevel about sound |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:46.03 | jetscreamer | cfh_dev, i 'think' you can load that and shell out and chroot, but i'm not sure |
| 15:46.03 | greycat | abrotman: "fevel: /msg dpkg audio" |
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| 15:46.07 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:46.25 | cfh_dev | jetscreamer, it's worth a try. Thanks again for the info. |
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| 15:46.48 | jetscreamer | !irritate somebody |
| 15:46.49 | dpkg | somebody: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
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| 15:47.57 | a_monkey | what is the command to get to the window where i am asked if i want to install a desktop interface, or use manual package selection, etc.? |
| 15:48.05 | fevel | i use a mod of debian |
| 15:48.09 | greycat | a_monkey: that's the installer. |
| 15:48.10 | PerfDave | a_monkey: tasksel |
| 15:48.11 | fevel | its called knoppix |
| 15:48.13 | jetscreamer | omg i'll be 44 in 11 days |
| 15:48.17 | jethro | fevel: /j #knoppix |
| 15:48.20 | a_monkey | PerfDave, thx |
| 15:48.28 | vladster | sorry about that, had to eat |
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| 15:48.35 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 15:48.35 | jethro | too old to rock n roll buddy |
| 15:48.35 | greycat | a_monkey: if you want to play point-and-drool, run 'tasksel'. if you want the old difficult interface, run 'dselect'. if you want none of the above, continue using apt-get and apt-cache. |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | vladster: you should become a bot |
| 15:48.47 | PerfDave | greycat: and synaptic ;) |
| 15:48.51 | jethro | :) |
| 15:48.55 | abrotman | well .. |
| 15:49.06 | fevel | wow |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | fevel: #knoppix |
| 15:49.07 | vladster | getting ready for a trip and did a rush install yesterday |
| 15:49.08 | greycat | jethro: and too young to die. |
| 15:49.11 | fevel | thankz |
| 15:49.12 | jethro | greycat: indeed ;) |
| 15:49.14 | fevel | alot |
| 15:49.18 | thingfish | jetscreamer: hang in there. I'm 47, and life is still good. |
| 15:49.18 | greycat | /nick tull |
| 15:49.29 | jethro | we have a tull here sometimes |
| 15:49.32 | sml | has anyone seen justfuckinggoogleit.com ?! lol |
| 15:49.35 | jethro | !seen tull |
| 15:49.36 | sml | superb! |
| 15:49.37 | dpkg | tull <~danka@wwwcache2.livjm.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 14h 44m 3s ago, saying: 'directhex calm down'. |
| 15:49.39 | greycat | !fgi |
| 15:49.39 | dpkg | methinks fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 15:49.40 | jethro | !fgi |
| 15:49.41 | PerfDave | sml: What's the URL? ;) |
| 15:49.46 | jethro | hmm too slow |
| 15:49.46 | greycat | !jfgi |
| 15:49.47 | dpkg | well, jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 15:49.47 | sml | perfdave lol |
| 15:49.47 | thomas_adam | sml: You're about ten years lagging. |
| 15:49.51 | jharrisonwk | if I add a z to the end of a word will that make me cool? |
| 15:50.03 | thomas_adam | jharrisonwk: lamerz? |
| 15:50.10 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: thats what I thought |
| 15:50.11 | jetscreamer | jharrisonwk, it depends on the word |
| 15:50.16 | jethro | jharrisonwk: z is not enough, you need z0r |
| 15:50.17 | greycat | jharrisonwk: noz |
| 15:50.21 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:50.24 | PerfDave | greycat: pwned! |
| 15:50.32 | sml | thomas_adam: well its the first time i've heard of it. i know about all the ad-free proxys onto google .. but this redirect its nice :) |
| 15:50.38 | vladster | anyways back tothe issue, k3b does not see the dvd+r capabilities of the drive |
| 15:50.39 | PerfDave | Sorry, I should have said PwNz0r3D!!1!! |
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| 15:50.59 | jharrisonwk | vladster: arent there some dvd utilities you need? |
| 15:51.19 | arturaz | any ideas, why when i do ifdown eth1, eth2 get's released too (both eth1 and eth2 are dhcp, i'm using dhcp3-client) |
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| 15:51.35 | fevel | no one answers me there |
| 15:51.41 | jetscreamer | vladster, did you do the k3b-setup script? |
| 15:51.42 | PerfDave | arturaz: Is there anything in the pre-down or down scripts for eth1 which would do this? |
| 15:51.49 | jethro | fevel: then install debian and ask here if you have the very same problem with debian |
| 15:51.52 | arturaz | PerfDave, i doubt that |
| 15:51.53 | jharrisonwk | fevel: so what do you propose? |
| 15:51.58 | PerfDave | fevel: That's not our problem, you're not using Debian, and Debian answers won't help you. |
| 15:52.01 | a_monkey | what's the command to install gnome and all of its goodies (metacity, nautilus, gnome-panel, gnome-applets, all of that) but *not* kde? |
| 15:52.06 | vladster | they are installed according to K3B but when I go to the properties of the deveice it only recognises the - mode and not the + |
| 15:52.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome |
| 15:52.09 | fevel | debian scares me to death |
| 15:52.14 | fevel | i wish i could |
| 15:52.15 | arturaz | PerfDave, dhclient realeses both leases |
| 15:52.17 | fevel | but im noob |
| 15:52.21 | fevel | lol |
| 15:52.22 | jethro | fevel: then just /part, debian ain't that hard to cope with |
| 15:52.24 | PerfDave | fevel: noobs can run Debian |
| 15:52.25 | jethro | !noob |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | [noob] < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 15:52.27 | jharrisonwk | fevel: everyone was a noob at one time |
| 15:52.28 | a_monkey | jetscreamer: that'll give me all the goodies, too? |
| 15:52.31 | jetscreamer | !tell fevel about d-i |
| 15:52.32 | jethro | I like your definition greycat :) |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | FAILURE OF THE SUPPORT CHANNEL OF YOUR NON-DEBIAN DISTRO TO RENDER SUPPORT UNTO YOU DOES NOT GRANT YOU A LICENCE TO ABUSE #DEBIAN FOR NON-DEBIAN SUPPORT. PERIOD. |
| 15:52.38 | fevel | i know i know |
| 15:52.44 | fevel | well |
| 15:52.45 | vladster | fevel: it scared me to but I dove right in and never regreted it |
| 15:52.57 | jharrisonwk | fevel: you have to just go through the pains until you get the hang of it |
| 15:53.04 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, yeah... you can always use a package manager to select any extra goodies that it misses |
| 15:53.05 | abrotman | fevel: weren't you another nick before? |
| 15:53.09 | fevel | but im brazillian |
| 15:53.10 | vladster | Now I won't use anything else for myself |
| 15:53.18 | jharrisonwk | batelco sucks |
| 15:53.18 | greycat | abrotman: AAAIIIEEE!!!!! |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | greycat: huh? |
| 15:53.25 | fevel | i need a abnt2 keyboard |
| 15:53.27 | greycat | It's a kurumin! |
| 15:53.32 | jetscreamer | !portuguese |
| 15:53.32 | dpkg | portuguese is probably the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:53.37 | abrotman | greycat: and that means? |
| 15:53.37 | vladster | I would just hate to support it for a customer at a large site |
| 15:53.39 | jharrisonwk | they never answer the phone |
| 15:53.39 | fevel | yeah irt is a kurumin |
| 15:53.51 | abrotman | greycat: i'm lost |
| 15:53.52 | greycat | !kurumin |
| 15:53.52 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 15:53.57 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:54.03 | abrotman | even better than knoppix :) |
| 15:54.10 | jetscreamer | that's even worse than ubuntu |
| 15:54.10 | fevel | i went to that page dpkg |
| 15:54.17 | abrotman | greycat: that's why his nick looked familiar :) |
| 15:54.19 | a_monkey | jetscreamer: and xfree86 will be automatically a dep of gnome, right? |
| 15:54.21 | vladster | There is still a lot I have to learn but I am at least sticking with it |
| 15:54.23 | greycat | dpkg: say fevel: well, go back there. |
| 15:54.23 | abrotman | err his real name |
| 15:54.24 | dpkg | fevel: well, go back there. |
| 15:54.25 | fevel | it just didnt help |
| 15:54.33 | greycat | dpkg: say fevel: too bad. |
| 15:54.34 | dpkg | fevel: too bad. |
| 15:54.47 | fevel | i wanted to get to the core |
| 15:54.49 | jetscreamer | a_monkey it should, but if it doesn't jsut apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 15:54.55 | greycat | !d-i fevel |
| 15:54.55 | abrotman | fevel: use debian ... |
| 15:54.56 | dpkg | fevel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:55.04 | fevel | a little pacience with me would be nice |
| 15:55.06 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, you'll get it all with that |
| 15:55.13 | greycat | fevel: you've exhausted your allotted share of patience. |
| 15:55.21 | jethro | fevel: you are the one in the need for patience |
| 15:55.23 | jetscreamer | fevel, sorry dude |
| 15:55.26 | stew | fevel: try a mailing list |
| 15:55.31 | greycat | try a Debian. |
| 15:55.34 | jetscreamer | fevel, try d-i |
| 15:55.35 | fevel | i will |
| 15:55.39 | vladster | jethro; I like the straight debian system, took awhile to get use to but now I am getting into the structure |
| 15:55.40 | fevel | calm down guys |
| 15:55.48 | greycat | no, we won't. |
| 15:55.49 | fevel | give me the url please |
| 15:55.51 | abrotman | i think #debian just gang-banged fevel :) |
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| 15:55.55 | abrotman | !tell fevel about d-i |
| 15:55.59 | stew | fevel: http://google.com |
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| 15:56.10 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:56.13 | jethro | vladster: same, I like it as is, even tho it's been a pain once in a while |
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| 15:56.35 | abrotman | no more kurumin!! |
| 15:56.39 | abrotman | !dance |
| 15:56.46 | vladster | I am still experiencing those pains but I look at them as growing pains |
| 15:56.59 | vladster | \I am actually learning something |
| 15:57.07 | jethro | vladster: if it doesn't kill you it makes you tougher |
| 15:57.15 | vladster | and smarter |
| 15:57.16 | jethro | that's how I feel with debian :) |
| 15:57.24 | Ronin` | jethro: also hurts like a sob though too |
| 15:57.32 | jetscreamer | zorg rox |
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| 15:57.34 | jethro | Ronin`: sure |
| 15:57.40 | jetscreamer | and i didn't type xorg |
| 15:57.43 | jethro | Ronin`: there's no easy learning, imho |
| 15:57.46 | xam | jethro: nope, it should say "what doesn't kill you instantly just kills you more slowly" |
| 15:57.48 | abrotman | !zorg |
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| 15:58.01 | jetscreamer | bad guy on fifth element |
| 15:58.24 | sml | without wanting to start a distro war or appear to be a troll.. what would most people make as their top five linux distro list |
| 15:58.27 | jethro | what was the name of the queer? |
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| 15:58.31 | jethro | in the fifth element |
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| 15:58.37 | sml | and dont say 1) woody, 2) sarge, 3) sid.. etc |
| 15:58.44 | abrotman | sml: damn you .. that was just coming out |
| 15:58.46 | thingfish | oh yeah, what was his name... |
| 15:58.46 | vladster | There is so much to learn, just trying to fit it into the time is something |
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| 15:58.51 | sml | abrotman: lol |
| 15:58.54 | jethro | green? |
| 15:58.56 | jetscreamer | rod |
| 15:59.02 | jetscreamer | something |
| 15:59.05 | jetscreamer | said green |
| 15:59.07 | jethro | yea |
| 15:59.09 | jethro | supa green |
| 15:59.11 | jethro | all the time |
| 15:59.12 | jethro | :) |
| 15:59.14 | thingfish | that guy darn near stole the show. |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | sml: if not debian .. i'd probably pick on of the commercial RPM distros i guess |
| 15:59.21 | sml | I just feel like trying some out at the weekend coz its rainy here and i got nada else to do :) |
| 15:59.34 | abrotman | sml: get out of seattle |
| 15:59.36 | xam | sml: debian debian linux/ix86, debian linux/ia64, debian linux/alpha, debian linux/pa-risc and ... you choose the last one |
| 15:59.38 | sml | LOL. |
| 15:59.58 | jharrisonwk | Batelco = Bahamas Telecommunications Corporation - Providing the shittiest telecommunication services on the face of the earth |
| 16:00.05 | vladster | Once I get better at coding, I was wondering if it is possible to edit the Logitech source file to set up the hats as switches again |
| 16:00.09 | thingfish | and besides, I don't think he was queer, he was all over those women. |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: isn'tt hat where you work ? |
| 16:00.16 | xam | jharrisonwk: I doubt that. |
| 16:00.20 | jetscreamer | yeah he wasn't gay just sounded gay |
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| 16:00.26 | jetscreamer | or looked |
| 16:00.26 | vladster | Vojtek converted them to axis's |
| 16:00.26 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: hell no |
| 16:00.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gay? |
| 16:00.42 | ravenbird | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:01.20 | jetscreamer | FieldySnuts, tel that to gay.com |
| 16:01.30 | thingfish | there was this kid in high school, very effeminate, always hanging around the girls. We all thought he was gay, but it turned out (we found out years later) that he was banging all those girls. |
| 16:01.31 | FieldySnuts | jethro: what's -D do? |
| 16:01.52 | vladster | Being close to fifty will kill those fantasies real quick when you realize you are going to get a routine coloscy to check for pollups |
| 16:02.00 | vladster | colocopy |
| 16:02.02 | jethro | FieldySnuts: sortof of a socks server support , man ssh for more details :) |
| 16:02.10 | thingfish | colonoscopy |
| 16:02.18 | vladster | yeah that thing |
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| 16:02.20 | FieldySnuts | er, next topics please |
| 16:02.23 | jethro | FieldySnuts: yet another way to circumvent security policies using ssh :) |
| 16:02.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:02.25 | jetscreamer | jsut call it a rectal camera :o |
| 16:02.34 | vladster | a painful one |
| 16:02.44 | thingfish | they put you out. |
| 16:02.57 | FieldySnuts | SO UH YEAH how about some sarge release date guesses |
| 16:02.59 | vladster | at leasty they have lasers now to remove as they go |
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| 16:03.19 | FieldySnuts | god, those node morons still causing crap? |
| 16:03.27 | FieldySnuts | what is node.tor anyway? never seen .tor |
| 16:03.36 | vladster | A real good warning to eat a proper diet with plenty of fiber |
| 16:03.38 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: apt-cache show tor |
| 16:03.41 | sml | anyone here use mutt and S/MIME ? |
| 16:03.43 | BucWheat | ugg.. i'm trying to ./configure comedi-0.7.69 and it says gcc isn't installed. i performed apt-get install gcc-3.3 and it installed fine. what am i missing ? |
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| 16:03.52 | directhex|work | !b-e BucWheat |
| 16:03.53 | dpkg | BucWheat: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:03.56 | jetscreamer | gcc isn't in your path? |
| 16:04.10 | directhex|work | hang on... BucWheat, which version of debian are you running? |
| 16:04.10 | BucWheat | jetscreamer how do i add it to the path ? |
| 16:04.17 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: it can easily be used to work around bans, so freenode forces that cloak on people using it |
| 16:04.18 | BucWheat | directhex|work sarge |
| 16:04.22 | directhex|work | !b-e BucWheat |
| 16:04.23 | vladster | anyways back tothe issue, k3b does not see the dvd+r capabilities of the drive |
| 16:04.23 | dpkg | BucWheat: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:04.26 | FieldySnuts | cute. |
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| 16:04.44 | FieldySnuts | vladster: yeah k3b doesn't see my dvd as a dvd writer at all only a cd writer |
| 16:04.48 | vladster | and it is a plextor which is well supported |
| 16:04.49 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
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| 16:04.53 | FieldySnuts | yep, so is mine. |
| 16:04.54 | BucWheat | directhex|work doing so now |
| 16:05.07 | vladster | could that be a bug with K3b? |
| 16:05.26 | directhex|work | vladster, no, it's fine for me. |
| 16:05.27 | vladster | or a parameter that can be edited |
| 16:05.47 | FieldySnuts | it's a a bug, a known one that isn't being fixed |
| 16:05.56 | FieldySnuts | it's still in the latest version |
| 16:06.04 | xam | vladster: the same for me :/ I have a plextor px-716A, but it doesn't show up as DVD+RW compatible ... BUT you can actually burn DVD+RW! |
| 16:06.15 | FieldySnuts | when I want to make a dvd, i use k3b to make an iso, then use growisofs manually to write it, not a big deal |
| 16:06.20 | vladster | but the system sees the capability anyway? |
| 16:06.32 | FieldySnuts | rest of the system does, k3b doesn't |
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| 16:06.43 | xam | vladster: It only doesn't show up on the info screen on k3b, but you can burn with k3b nontheless |
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| 16:06.51 | FieldySnuts | it's kde, no big surprise |
| 16:06.54 | vladster | Then it does not recognise the back end support |
| 16:07.04 | FieldySnuts | i can use k3b to write cd's, however. |
| 16:07.07 | xam | vladster: also the dvd+rw-tools work (eg. dvd+rw-format) |
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| 16:07.18 | chugga | does evolution make a good newsgroup reader? |
| 16:07.27 | FieldySnuts | not sure haven't tried it |
| 16:07.33 | vladster | I isntalled that before I installed k3b |
| 16:07.56 | FieldySnuts | neat how all 3 of us have plextors and have that same issue |
| 16:08.02 | FieldySnuts | which yes, are very good drives |
| 16:08.07 | vladster | even vcd tools but it does not see them |
| 16:08.13 | directhex|work | oh, you're right, these are dvd-r. though i do have dvd+r capability shown in the k3b config |
| 16:08.16 | cfh_dev | jetscreamer: I was able to get to a shell from the net inst. cd but what do I do with chroot? |
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| 16:08.47 | FieldySnuts | wenas |
| 16:08.50 | xam | FieldySnuts: yes. Actually mine is behind a ide-to-scsi adapter, so it is detected as a scsi device. First I thought it is an issue with the converter, but know since I saw your reports ... |
| 16:08.52 | vladster | The drive does support overburning to the edge |
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| 16:09.02 | candyban_ | hi guys |
| 16:09.20 | candyban_ | Where in sarge are the network scripts? |
| 16:09.30 | candyban_ | e.g. I don't have /etc/init.d/network |
| 16:09.33 | boycer | candyban_: /etc/network iirc |
| 16:09.40 | vladster | It concerted mine to a link hdc |
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| 16:09.53 | vladster | converted |
| 16:09.55 | vladster | * |
| 16:09.56 | candyban_ | boycer : I have that ... but my network won't boot "automagically" |
| 16:10.02 | FieldySnuts | mine is ide and i use it as ide, 2.6 kernel |
| 16:10.07 | candyban_ | boycer : even though I have auto lo eth0 |
| 16:10.10 | chugga | can someone check to see if ntpdate pool.ntp.org works for them? it fails here |
| 16:10.13 | vladster | same here |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | candyban_: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 16:10.22 | xam | vladster: btw, go to www.rpc1.com and get region-free patched firmware! works great. Make sure you use the latest firmware (v1.04), either the original from plextor or the region-free one from rpc1.com |
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| 16:10.26 | FieldySnuts | the workaround for me is to use k3b to make an iso instead of try to write to dvd. then, I use growisofs to write that iso |
| 16:10.42 | xam | FieldySnuts: also 2.6.11-rc3 here |
| 16:10.46 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, it doesn't show as having dvd+r capability in settings/configure/devices ? |
| 16:10.50 | vladster | Evidently scsi is being relegated tothe high end server applications |
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| 16:10.55 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: doubt it, not at home |
| 16:11.07 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, -r works? |
| 16:11.14 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 16:11.21 | candyban_ | abrotman it is configured correctly !! .. ifup eth0 works perfectly (I normally use Debian unstable) |
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| 16:11.30 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, i've not had any trouble at all with k3b and dvds, so trying to see what's different |
| 16:11.30 | vladster | +r works to but it does not see this |
| 16:11.37 | candyban_ | but my network is not started by default |
| 16:11.44 | boycer | candyban_: do you have /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 16:11.46 | FieldySnuts | -r nor +r nor rw work for me dvd wise |
| 16:11.54 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, other than me having a lite-on rather than a plextor |
| 16:11.57 | xam | FieldySnuts: as I said, I can just drag'n'drop the files via k3b and hit the 'burn' button. It will write the DVD+RW, only in the 'settings' tab it shows that k3b thinks the drive doesn't support DVD+RW |
| 16:11.57 | FieldySnuts | i don't much care i don't mind dong what i said above |
| 16:12.11 | candyban_ | boycer : no ... that was the file I was asking for before :) |
| 16:12.12 | FieldySnuts | doing.. |
| 16:12.24 | vladster | That is why I buy plextors |
| 16:12.26 | candyban_ | boycer : which package contains this script? |
| 16:12.28 | abrotman | candyban_: is it a pcmcia card? |
| 16:12.30 | boycer | candyban_: ah, that'll be it then! don't know which package it's in tho |
| 16:12.31 | FieldySnuts | yep me too, great drives |
| 16:12.42 | FieldySnuts | it's a known k3b issue anyway |
| 16:12.47 | candyban_ | abrotman nope .. 3com (by lo is not started either) |
| 16:12.48 | xam | FieldySnuts, vladster: yes |
| 16:12.56 | vladster | they have long been a major support for linux since the days when they were only scsi |
| 16:12.57 | candyban_ | abrotman I don't have /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 16:13.00 | jharrisonwk | lite-on |
| 16:13.07 | stew | !find /etc/init.d/networking |
| 16:13.14 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadger |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | candyban_: so if you `/etc/init.d/networking restart` .. what happens ? |
| 16:13.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/networking' returned no results. |
| 16:13.20 | candyban_ | !find /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 16:13.25 | thingfish | gnat_x: that's not the way to get help. State your issue and give as much detail as is relevant. |
| 16:13.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/networking' returned no results. |
| 16:13.29 | stew | it must be created by debconf |
| 16:13.41 | thingfish | gnat_x: then if someone can help you, they'll speak up. |
| 16:13.41 | abrotman | !find etc/init.d/networking |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/networking' (1 shown): (/etc/init.d/networking) in base/netbase. |
| 16:14.05 | jharrisonwk | mmm lwn.net |
| 16:14.08 | candyban_ | abrotman : There is NO /etc/init.d/networking ... it will probably result in "no such file or command" |
| 16:14.12 | xam | FieldySnuts, vladster: the firmware support is phenomenal. My plextor came 'just' with 6x DVD+RW DL support, now they added 2x DVD-RW DL and with the 1.05 firmware (in March) it will burn 6x DVD-RW DL |
| 16:14.18 | abrotman | candyban_: there should be .. |
| 16:14.26 | stew | candyban_: reinstall netbase |
| 16:14.29 | boycer | candyban_: you should reinstall netbase |
| 16:14.45 | vladster | I should do an update on mine |
| 16:14.59 | greycat | reinstalling won't be enough. he has to read "/msg dpkg confmiss" too. |
| 16:15.00 | stew | abrotman: any idea why dpkg didn't find that init script with the the leading /? |
| 16:15.15 | greycat | stew: ask dondelelcaro :) |
| 16:15.21 | candyban_ | boycer : erm ... REinstall? ... it did not appear to be installed in the first place :/ |
| 16:15.30 | a_monkey | does debian automatically come with development tools, like gcc and -devel packages? |
| 16:15.33 | candyban_ | boycer thanks a million |
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| 16:15.37 | abrotman | stew: i'm pretty sure it never works with a leading / |
| 16:15.38 | greycat | a_monkey: only if you tell it to. |
| 16:15.43 | cfh_dev | When I shell from the net inst, can someone tell me how to edit grub.conf? |
| 16:15.50 | gnat_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | gnat_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.54 | abrotman | stew: i'm not sure why exactly . but i suspect ravenbird and apt are the same way |
| 16:15.56 | greycat | cfh_dev: the file you want is called menu.lst |
| 16:16.00 | boycer | candyban_: it should have been installed by the standard installation |
| 16:16.14 | boycer | candyban_: then maybe deleted afterwards |
| 16:16.16 | candyban_ | boycer it was a standard woody installation |
| 16:16.24 | boycer | candyban_: very odd |
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| 16:16.26 | greycat | candyban_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:16.31 | cfh_dev | greycat: where do I find it? |
| 16:16.33 | directhex|work | candyban_, is this a server? |
| 16:16.42 | greycat | cfh_dev: /boot/grub/ |
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| 16:16.55 | thingfish | gnat_x: I would go into my motherboard's bios and disable the onboard one then. |
| 16:17.09 | cfh_dev | greycat: I don't have /boot though. I just went through the net inst and am trying to get the system up. |
| 16:17.10 | candyban_ | rebooting the box |
| 16:17.11 | gnat_x | *nod* |
| 16:17.20 | greycat | cfh_dev: then it's NOT INSTALLED. |
| 16:17.37 | gnat_x | thingfish, will that also help with the mixer problem? |
| 16:17.39 | greycat | cfh_dev: so why are you wasting your time with a half-installed box, when you could just install it from scratch, and this time, don't screw up? |
| 16:17.42 | cfh_dev | greycat: then what makes the screen fill up with 'GRUB' on boot? |
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| 16:17.50 | thingfish | gnat_x: maybe. |
| 16:17.55 | estel | do i have to recompile my kernel if i want to use bootsplash? or is there something similar to bootsplash? |
| 16:17.56 | greycat | cfh_dev: I meant DEBIAN is not fully installed. |
| 16:18.00 | gnat_x | good enough. |
| 16:18.14 | gnat_x | thanks |
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| 16:18.18 | thingfish | np |
| 16:18.20 | candyban_ | Hmmz ... takes quite a long time for it to come back ... |
| 16:18.21 | TorstenK | hi |
| 16:18.23 | greycat | estel: draw a picture of a penguin on a piece of paper and tape it to the monitor |
| 16:18.23 | cfh_dev | greycat: I know. I'm trying to get the box up after a net inst so I can get a full install but can't get grub to come around. |
| 16:18.29 | candyban_ | oh ... there it is :) ... great |
| 16:18.31 | nksen | isn't there xfs support in the 2.4.18-bf24 kernel? |
| 16:18.35 | abrotman | no |
| 16:18.39 | nksen | bummer |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | cfh_dev: NOO!!!! God DAMN IT, I mean "YOUR NET INSTALL OF DEBIAN IS FUCKING BROKEN!" |
| 16:18.48 | abrotman | was there even xfs in 2.4.18 ? |
| 16:18.48 | vladster | It never is, there is always that one extra package you just found that you gotta have |
| 16:18.52 | cfh_dev | greycat: I've installed several machines w/ this same CD but never had grub do this before. |
| 16:18.54 | TorstenK | do you know a manual how i can uprade sarge from kernel 2.4 to kernel 2.6? |
| 16:18.54 | greycat | cfh_dev: just START OVER. |
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| 16:19.11 | nksen | abrotman: no. but i inserted a disk which is formated with xfs :) |
| 16:19.12 | directhex|work | TorstenK, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-whatever |
| 16:19.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: nope. not until .21 IIRC |
| 16:19.24 | directhex|work | TorstenK, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 16:19.27 | hdo781 | How do I get debian unstable? I want to do a fresh install. |
| 16:19.28 | candyban_ | great ... now ntpdate works again as well :) |
| 16:19.29 | TorstenK | directhex|work: i did this, does not work |
| 16:19.30 | cfh_dev | greycat: calm down, champ. I've run this same install twice already. I've repartitioned and reformatted the drive each time. |
| 16:19.31 | abrotman | nksen: yeah .. see .. that's not gonna work .. is this a server or workstation? |
| 16:19.33 | greycat | hdo781: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:19.33 | vladster | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8.* |
| 16:19.48 | greycat | cfh_dev: then you're overlooking whatever the error was. |
| 16:19.50 | directhex|work | !doesn't work |
| 16:19.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:19.53 | abrotman | greycat: isn't that a iyhtays ? |
| 16:19.53 | nksen | abrotman: it's a server. i'll just make a new filesystem. i even dunno which data is on the drive... |
| 16:19.56 | TorstenK | directhex|work: the system reboots short after grub |
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| 16:19.59 | greycat | cfh_dev: find out WHY it's not creating a /boot/grub directory |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | nksen: there are unofficial installers with xfs |
| 16:20.09 | vladster | depends on the arch |
| 16:20.11 | candyban_ | Hmmz ... is a "clean" debian sarge 302 MB? |
| 16:20.25 | greycat | abrotman: who CARES what the root file system's type is? It should be 100 MB or so. |
| 16:20.26 | nksen | abrotman: hm... ok. good to know, but not worth to install those in my case. thx though |
| 16:20.36 | candyban_ | woody was about 100 MB |
| 16:20.42 | abrotman | greycat: he didn't specify which FS it was |
| 16:20.54 | estel | greycat: i don't like bootsplashes either, but noobs do like it |
| 16:20.56 | TorstenK | directhex|work: is there a way to upgrade the modules properly? |
| 16:21.14 | nksen | abrotman: but as i see reiserfs is also not supported!? which fs would you recommend then? |
| 16:21.22 | abrotman | nksen: ext3 |
| 16:21.23 | stew | nksen: ext3 |
| 16:21.30 | directhex|work | TorstenK, yes. the way i already said. if that doesn't work for you, either you broke something, or 2.6 doesn't like your configuration |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | nksen: reiserfs *is* supported as a choice during the install. DUH. |
| 16:21.40 | abrotman | in woody? |
| 16:21.41 | greycat | that doesn't make it a GOOD choice, of course... |
| 16:21.44 | vladster | got to go, see ya'll next week. |
| 16:21.44 | greycat | abrotman: in woody. |
| 16:21.44 | directhex|work | ext3 ate my /home |
| 16:21.44 | TorstenK | directhex|work: seems so :/ |
| 16:21.55 | nksen | greycat: well. i installed the sytstem month ago *shrug* |
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| 16:21.58 | abrotman | directhex|work: Mr. T ate .. never mind |
| 16:22.00 | nksen | abrotman: k, thx a lot |
| 16:22.04 | TorstenK | thx |
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| 16:22.34 | abrotman | nksen: greycat says woody installer can use reiser .. i wouldn't trust it .. but it's your call |
| 16:22.36 | kittonian | how do I mount a directory and not have the permissions on that mounted dir be owned by root.root? |
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| 16:22.49 | greycat | kittonian: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 16:22.52 | flankk | abrotman, wouldn't trust it why? |
| 16:22.54 | candyban_ | nksen : if you try the "default" 2.2 kernel, you don't have a lot of options. Choose bf24 and you can do xfs (or reiser ... can't recall which one) |
| 16:23.00 | abrotman | flankk: personal preference |
| 16:23.06 | kittonian | the dir is owned by postgres.postgres at the moment and needs to stay that way upon being mounted to the other filesystem |
| 16:23.12 | directhex|work | JFS or XFS, that is the question |
| 16:23.12 | a_monkey | at the starting of an X session, i get this error: "Wrong permission for /dev/pmu device" |
| 16:23.15 | a_monkey | what does that mean? |
| 16:23.17 | greycat | kittonian: WHAT FILE SYSTEM? |
| 16:23.19 | kittonian | i am mounting a directory to a win2k raid array |
| 16:23.26 | abrotman | directhex|work: i still choose xfs .. but i know FieldySnuts hates it :) |
| 16:23.29 | greycat | so it's a WINDOWS problem? |
| 16:23.32 | kittonian | the mount command works fine |
| 16:23.36 | directhex|work | abrotman, why does FieldySnuts hate it? |
| 16:23.41 | kittonian | but i can only do it on the linux box as root |
| 16:23.42 | hdo781 | greycat: I don't understand what you typed about dpkg sid faq |
| 16:23.51 | greycat | !tell hdo781 about /msg |
| 16:23.51 | abrotman | directhex|work: no UPS .. power dies .. FS easily dies |
| 16:24.07 | kittonian | i tried su'ing to postgres and it said mount must be done as root |
| 16:24.11 | directhex|work | abrotman, was that XFS? ah. i knew it was one of them. JFS for teh ubarwinzar then? |
| 16:24.20 | greycat | ravenbird, /msg =~ s/apt/ravenbird/ |
| 16:24.20 | stew | kittonian: it was correct |
| 16:24.21 | ravenbird | greycat: OK |
| 16:24.31 | abrotman | directhex|work: depends who you ask .. ext3 has a pretty short sync time iirc |
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| 16:24.39 | candyban_ | Anyone knows how to reduce the amount of packages/diskspace a Debian box uses? |
| 16:24.41 | a_monkey | anyone know how to solve this "Wrong permission for /dev/pmu device" error? |
| 16:24.46 | directhex|work | abrotman, for massive files on a mostly-on system |
| 16:24.47 | greycat | candyban_: man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 16:24.53 | stew | candyban_: apt-get remove pkgname |
| 16:24.55 | greycat | candyban_: man rm |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 16:25.14 | xam | candyban_: deborphan and debfoster |
| 16:25.18 | candyban_ | I have about 140 packages installed |
| 16:25.20 | abrotman | why won't that come up? |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | directhex|work: /msg dpkg literal fs comparison |
| 16:25.56 | a_monkey | what does this mean, "wrong permission for /dev/pmu device"? can somebody please help? |
| 16:26.12 | nksen | arg. 'mkfs.ext3 -j /dev/hdc1' 'mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc/' 'type xfs not supported by kernel' nice nice... |
| 16:26.30 | directhex|work | nksen, check your fstab |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | directhex|work: there's a link there from Ted Ts'o .. talks about issues with jounrnalling FSs and powerfailure |
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| 16:27.21 | abrotman | directhex|work: of course .. he wrote ext2/3 .. so take it with a grain of salt |
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| 16:28.08 | kittonian | soth`, if I have this command: mount -t smbfs -o username=kitto,password=xxxx //server/postgresqlbackup /backups/postgresql |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | directhex|work: and if you go up one dir(remove the .html filename) .. there are a bunch more to read |
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| 16:28.29 | kittonian | is there a way that I can make that so the mounted dir is owned by postgres.postgres? |
| 16:28.44 | kittonian | that's all I'm trying to do ehre |
| 16:28.46 | kittonian | err here |
| 16:28.54 | a_monkey | please, can somebody help me? |
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| 16:29.09 | hdo781 | Thanks greycat |
| 16:29.21 | abrotman | directhex|work: it's quite a good bunch of reading |
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| 16:29.38 | sml | a_monkey: what is your question ? |
| 16:30.00 | greycat | you mean a_banana |
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| 16:30.09 | a_monkey | sml: at the starting of an X session, i get this error: "Wrong permission for /dev/pmu device" |
| 16:30.17 | greycat | what the hell is pmu? |
| 16:30.23 | directhex|work | a_monkey, try the first link on google for "/dev/pmu" |
| 16:30.29 | greycat | ls: /dev/pmu*: No such file or directory |
| 16:30.31 | directhex|work | greycat, http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/01/msg00238.html |
| 16:30.34 | kittonian | greycat, any idea for me? |
| 16:30.43 | greycat | !any idea |
| 16:30.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 rabid bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:31.08 | kittonian | thanks |
| 16:31.14 | candyban_ | I managed to remove an additional 4 packages resulting in 279M of a "base" server install ... that seems so much ... |
| 16:31.16 | greycat | I had this problem also. If I remember correctly it is a known error |
| 16:31.16 | greycat | with ppc udev and gnome. Anyways to fix it this is what I did. |
| 16:31.22 | greycat | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Another udev casualty! |
| 16:31.34 | greycat | !udev-- |
| 16:31.43 | candyban_ | I though Debian could be installed in like 50MB or something? |
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| 16:31.52 | FieldySnuts | @lart udev |
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| 16:32.01 | real_ | how can i chat with another user on my debian machine? |
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| 16:32.16 | real_ | the other user is already connected to the server.. |
| 16:32.19 | FieldySnuts | talk / ytalk / split screen session (?) |
| 16:32.21 | stew | real_: with write or talk |
| 16:32.24 | FieldySnuts | i'd recommend ytalk |
| 16:32.32 | abrotman | candyban_: /msg dpkg deborphan .. but be very very *very* careful |
| 16:32.33 | FieldySnuts | annoying to set up, though. |
| 16:32.36 | candyban_ | real_ : you can use wall to communicate with all your users |
| 16:32.49 | real_ | and how can i know the tty of an user? |
| 16:33.00 | candyban_ | abrotman deborphan reports nothing |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | candyban_: read the man page |
| 16:33.18 | a_monkey | i found somebody with my same problem via google. according to some dude, "The proper way to handle this is to change the corresponding Gnome applet |
| 16:33.18 | a_monkey | to cope with readonly access to /dev/pmu. Plain and simple." |
| 16:33.18 | greycat | candyban_: no, a Debian base install is much larger than 50 MB now. you could install an OLD version, or you could build a custom mini-Debian (but if you do, we won't support your new candybanix OS) |
| 16:33.21 | stew | real_: with ps |
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| 16:33.36 | abrotman | candyban_: but it's a warning .. you need to be careful .. you can accidentally remove stuff that you really do need |
| 16:33.59 | a_monkey | except, i dunno what the heck that means, pardon me if i'm a n00b |
| 16:34.14 | greycat | a_monkey: it means "gnome bad, udev REALLY bad." |
| 16:34.20 | arturaz | anyone remembers what module represents rtl8029? |
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| 16:34.58 | abrotman | !wb apt |
| 16:34.59 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! apt has returned! |
| 16:35.07 | foxbat3[SCO] | can i ask about the linux directory structure please |
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| 16:35.24 | abrotman | foxbat3[SCO]: just ask .. if you're in the wrong place . we'll redirect you |
| 16:35.35 | foxbat3[SCO] | ok thank you |
| 16:35.50 | candyban_ | greycat ok. I thought Redhat install with it's 300-500 MB was bloated ... but I have to update my "standards" |
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| 16:36.02 | foxbat3[SCO] | been trying out knoppix which was fun but need to learn more about installing programs |
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| 16:36.12 | foxbat3[SCO] | in linux |
| 16:36.13 | directhex|work | candyban_, a fedora install is about 2gb these days, even rh9 is about 1.5gb for a headless node |
| 16:36.18 | foxbat3[SCO] | in general |
| 16:36.20 | stew | foxbat3[SCO]: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 16:36.26 | valdyn | candyban_: that is hardly a recent redhat |
| 16:36.33 | sml | LOL... im just reading the gentoo mailing list... "I'm upgrading from a Celeleron 700 w' 256Mb RAM. last time I installed Gentoo it took approx 4 days (including X, fvwm and teTeX)". FOUR DAYS ! LMAO |
| 16:36.41 | directhex|work | foxbat3[SCO], with debian, as root, 'apt-get install foo' will install foo from the net. |
| 16:36.44 | candyban_ | valdyn : 7.1 and 9 |
| 16:36.47 | abrotman | directhex|work: it's knoppix |
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| 16:36.49 | greycat | foxbat3[SCO]: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 16:36.57 | greycat | stew: damn! |
| 16:37.03 | stew | :) |
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| 16:37.17 | foxbat3[SCO] | linux doesnt have a registry as windows does does it? |
| 16:37.25 | candyban_ | directhex|work : rh9 is about 1 GB with graphical environment |
| 16:37.29 | hdo781 | msg apt info sunbird sid |
| 16:37.32 | abrotman | foxbat3[SCO]: for what purpose ? |
| 16:37.36 | real_ | how can i delete something that i installed by apt-get install i try with apt-get remove --purge name but it wont erase the dir that has something on it |
| 16:37.46 | directhex|work | candyban_, obviously you've installed a different rh9 to me. |
| 16:38.00 | foxbat3[SCO] | abrotman |
| 16:38.03 | valdyn | foxbat3[SCO]: "installing programs in linux" does not make sense |
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| 16:38.17 | greycat | foxbat3[SCO]: no, there is no registry. |
| 16:38.28 | foxbat3[SCO] | as i say i am trying to understand how a program installs itself under linux |
| 16:38.30 | dobby_ | $ |
| 16:38.37 | greycat | foxbat3[SCO]: define "linux". |
| 16:38.37 | jaime_alberto | real_: after apt-get --purge remove foobar do rm -rf notremoveddir |
| 16:38.43 | abrotman | greycat: knoppix |
| 16:38.44 | foxbat3[SCO] | what directories it uses and where it stores its settings |
| 16:38.52 | a_monkey | 1) what is the "corresponding applet" 2) how do i change it to "cope with readonly access to /dev/pmu"? |
| 16:38.59 | abrotman | foxbat3[SCO]: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
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| 16:39.00 | greycat | and programs don't "install themselves". programs are executed, and they do things. |
| 16:39.06 | valdyn | foxbat3[SCO]: no, that also doesnt make sense, "installing programs in debian", "installing programs in fedora" - that would make sense |
| 16:39.12 | coachz | Can anyone tell me how to get sftp to send a directory ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/0EYKQM68.html i get: skipping non-regular file /home/bercikj/test |
| 16:39.13 | foxbat3[SCO] | linux a generic term for an operating system |
| 16:39.21 | petemc | kernel |
| 16:39.22 | greycat | foxbat3[SCO]: linux is a kernel. |
| 16:39.28 | jaime_alberto | foxbat3[SCO]: normally settings go in the /etc dir |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | petemc: popcorn! |
| 16:39.30 | valdyn | foxbat3[SCO]: maybe, but that serves no purpose |
| 16:39.33 | foxbat3[SCO] | thank you greycat |
| 16:39.33 | petemc | :) |
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| 16:39.36 | greycat | there are many operating systems that are built around the linux kernel, such as Debian. |
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| 16:39.46 | xam | greycat: it is also a washing powder |
| 16:40.00 | kittonian | got it, nevermind |
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| 16:40.25 | foxbat3[SCO] | right that has me further forward |
| 16:40.36 | jaime_alberto | coachz: cd dir-parent; tar czf dir.tgz dir/; then send that tar |
| 16:40.51 | xam | coachz: don't feed the animals! |
| 16:40.55 | coachz | haha |
| 16:41.05 | coachz | jaime_alberto, so sftp can't do a dir then right ? |
| 16:41.17 | shingokii | is there a nice installer for sid? am I stupid to be thinking of running it if I want a nice installer? |
| 16:41.18 | greycat | sftp is a very frill-less user interface. |
| 16:41.19 | foxbat3[SCO] | so if i am right when a program is installed it occupies a folder such as bin and stores its setting in the /etc directory |
| 16:41.31 | foxbat3[SCO] | */bin |
| 16:41.33 | coachz | can scp send a dir ? |
| 16:41.51 | greycat | foxbat3[SCO]: install Debian and pick a package. Then type "dpkg -L <thatpackage>" to see the files it contains. |
| 16:42.12 | zAo^ | Where can I find a QT tutorial? |
| 16:42.16 | sml | what's wrong with using normal ftp and just ssh tunneling the control channel |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | shingokii: define nice |
| 16:42.19 | greycat | coachz: cd /foo; tar cf - . | ssh remotehost 'cd /bar && tar xvf -' |
| 16:42.20 | valdyn | !fhs |
| 16:42.20 | dpkg | it has been said that fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 16:42.26 | abrotman | zAo^: trolltech.com |
| 16:42.26 | greycat | sml: are you on *drugs*? |
| 16:42.36 | sml | greycat: not today ;) |
| 16:42.37 | jaime_alberto | coachz: I'm just giving you a solution I don't know if the server can send an entire dir, try with get dir.tgz and see if it autocompresses and send it |
| 16:42.41 | zAo^ | thanks abrotman |
| 16:42.46 | foxbat3[SCO] | greycat its simply a case of me wanting to understand how something works rather than being a parrot |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | i like how greycat emphasizes drugs .. like they better be good ones |
| 16:42.48 | shingokii | abrotman, the stuff from the sarge installer, like auto hardware detection, and being able to get to X without more than a dozen command line things? |
| 16:43.02 | valdyn | foxbat3[SCO]: read the link which dpkg gave you |
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| 16:43.04 | shingokii | abrotman, command line installer is fine, I don't want graphical :) |
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| 16:43.10 | jaime_alberto | coachz: I guess if you can do sftp then you can also ssh to it compress the dir and then fetch it with sftp |
| 16:43.19 | abrotman | shingokii: run sarge installer .. `apt-get install x-window-system-core <dmofchoice> <wmofchoice>` .. enjoy |
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| 16:43.27 | foxbat3[SCO] | and so far you have all helped me greatly so thank you for that |
| 16:43.28 | coachz | oh well i was hoping for more |
| 16:43.29 | foxbat3[SCO] | and so far you have all helped me greatly so thank you for that |
| 16:43.35 | abrotman | shingokii: do you have a working sarge now? |
| 16:43.38 | sml | greycat: why do you have some ? :> |
| 16:43.39 | foxbat3[SCO] | damn this keyboard |
| 16:43.45 | shingokii | abrotman, no, is that what I should get first, then upgrade? |
| 16:44.01 | abrotman | shingokii: are you well versed in debian? .. if not .. I'd stick with sarge |
| 16:44.05 | greycat | abrotman: and an x terminal emulator, too. |
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| 16:44.29 | shingokii | abrotman, well, I've used mepis and ubuntu, I thought I should really try real debian. But for things like mplayer it seems like everything is for unstable |
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| 16:44.39 | abrotman | greycat: isn't xterm in x-window-system-core ? |
| 16:44.52 | abrotman | shingokii: mplayer isn't in debian at all |
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| 16:44.56 | directhex|work | shingokii, mplayer isn't in debina for patent reasons. there's a popular repository containing it though |
| 16:45.04 | stew | abrotman: its in xterm |
| 16:45.06 | shingokii | abrotman, yes, but the marillat stuff seems to work with unstable |
| 16:45.11 | shingokii | I could well be wrong |
| 16:45.18 | jaime_alberto | just do apt-get install xfce4 |
| 16:45.20 | BucWheat | ughh... anyone ever use the comedi driver package ? |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | stew: but does x-window-system-core depend on xterm |
| 16:45.25 | valdyn | shingokii: it works just the same in sarge |
| 16:45.31 | shingokii | ah great |
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| 16:45.38 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 16:45.58 | shingokii | well I will definitely try sarge first then, then I can upgrade to sid? is there any disadvantage to that? |
| 16:46.01 | greycat | NetzwerkZwerge: you were +q'ed by Lorez, a freenode staff member, less than an hour ago. Don't ask me for your voice back. Try apologizing for whatever you did to him. |
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| 16:46.33 | sml | shingokii: sarge is almost stable.. however sid could end up wreaking your box. you've been warned. |
| 16:46.33 | valdyn | shingokii: to quote from marillat: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main. Cant misinterpret that ) |
| 16:46.34 | LoRez | greycat: all tor nodes were +q'ed. we have to give them exemptions |
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| 16:46.41 | jaime_alberto | shingokii: I think the best is to stay in testing, the perfection is in the middle |
| 16:46.42 | ireverentReveren | anyone know any place for good information on hardware raid under linux witht he nforce2 chipset? partcularily on the msi k7n2 -delta2 board |
| 16:46.43 | ireverentReveren | ? |
| 16:46.47 | NetzwerkZwerge | thanks :) |
| 16:46.52 | LoRez | it's to allow them in, but not spam us if they're being abused. |
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| 16:47.10 | abrotman | stew: guess it must be x-window-system |
| 16:47.12 | shingokii | great, well I'll see what happens with testing. I don't mind wrecking my box, it happens on a regular basis and I'm all backed up |
| 16:47.15 | greycat | LoRez: what on earth is a "tor node"? |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | !tor |
| 16:47.21 | NetzwerkZwerge | is it true that -testing has no security upgrades? only -unstable and -stable? |
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| 16:47.30 | greycat | NetzwerkZwerge: yes, for now. |
| 16:47.36 | abrotman | greycat: tor is an anonymizer ... onion routing .. ask weasel |
| 16:47.37 | LoRez | greycat: eff project to provide anonymity |
| 16:47.37 | caphuso | NetzwerkZwerge: only stable |
| 16:47.39 | NetzwerkZwerge | greycat, i see |
| 16:47.44 | paster | "BucWheat" at 69.148.204.9 pasted "make error.. for comedi..." (20 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/259 |
| 16:47.46 | NetzwerkZwerge | hm |
| 16:47.51 | shingokii | does testing not get updates anyway though? |
| 16:47.51 | incorrect | does anyone know of a way to script fdisk? |
| 16:47.52 | greycat | and unstable doesn't *really* have them. it just tends to get them because the maintainers care. |
| 16:47.59 | BucWheat | could someone look at that error for me? it looks like a gcc error :( |
| 16:48.46 | sml | NetzwerkZwerge: this is true. kind of. basically there is now on security.debian.org testing/blah but only coz the sarge is immiment... |
| 16:48.46 | abrotman | greycat: http://tor.eff.org/ |
| 16:48.56 | sml | NetzwerkZwerge: when its official it will be announced :) |
| 16:49.10 | foxbat3[SCO] | dpkg thank you 52 page PDF its a lot to read :¬) |
| 16:49.10 | dpkg | de nada, foxbat3[SCO] |
| 16:49.14 | shingokii | I heard that thigns will get better with updates though, as in trying to keep the stable release more up to date? |
| 16:49.15 | asuffield | abrotman: aka "abuse-fest for systems based on hostname authentication" |
| 16:49.28 | abrotman | asuffield: i didn't say it was good or bad .. just what it was :) |
| 16:49.41 | stew | sml: there is testing in security.debian.org but nothing has yet been released there |
| 16:49.49 | abrotman | asuffield: it's an interesting idea for sure |
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| 16:50.19 | sml | stew: i know... but watch this space :P |
| 16:50.20 | asuffield | sure, but if you use it then you should not expect access to email, usenet, IRC, or anything similar |
| 16:50.32 | asuffield | client mode stuff only (web, etc) |
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| 16:50.53 | abrotman | asuffield: right ... i'm not arguging that .. it certainly complicates stuff like that |
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| 16:51.26 | shingokii | abrotman, valdyn thanks, I'll go give sarge a go, wish me luck :) |
| 16:51.30 | kingk | I just installed RealPlayer so I could have a working embedded player in Mozilla. Where is the icon for Real created, or how can I find out if one has been created? |
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| 16:51.45 | abrotman | kingk: it doesn't . make your own |
| 16:52.01 | kingk | abrotman, Are you sure that it doesn't |
| 16:52.02 | abrotman | kingk: iirc .. it installs in /usr/local/RealPlayer by default |
| 16:52.07 | abrotman | kingk: look there for an icon |
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| 16:52.23 | quitte | kingk apt-get install helix-player does the same thing. |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | kingk: but it doesn't create one on your desktop or the debian menu system .. helix-player might though .. but doens't play real streams |
| 16:52.29 | greycat | Real, Inc. needs to *die*. |
| 16:52.34 | tatoo | does somebody know which module should i load for sarge for a pcmcia dlink model DFE-680TXD? |
| 16:52.44 | abrotman | quitte: helix-player dosn't play real media files |
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| 16:53.03 | dvs | greycat: What? and use Microsoft instead? |
| 16:53.03 | greycat | nobody should play real media files, ever. they're evil. |
| 16:53.03 | quitte | abrotman huh? |
| 16:53.09 | abrotman | quitte: i didn't stutter |
| 16:53.12 | greycat | dvs: use ANYTHING but real or windows-media. |
| 16:53.27 | dvs | greycat: What other choice is there? |
| 16:53.31 | stew | quicktime? |
| 16:53.33 | abrotman | quitte: and if you don't believe me .. read the docs |
| 16:53.42 | greycat | dvs: MPEG, Sorensen/quicktime, Ogg Theora+Vorbis, etc. |
| 16:53.45 | zAo^ | abrotman, do you recommand that QT-X11 eval thing? |
| 16:53.52 | kingk | My embedded player works but not properly, how do I configure Mozilla to use the newly installed REalPlayer?? |
| 16:53.52 | asuffield | sorenson is dead, quicktime is mpeg now |
| 16:53.53 | abrotman | zAo^: i recommend not using Qt |
| 16:54.02 | dvs | greycat: Made by whom? |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | for anything |
| 16:54.06 | abrotman | ever |
| 16:54.15 | jaime_alberto | kingk: that realplayer plugin sucks!, try mplayer with mplayer-plugin, pain in the ass to install but it worts |
| 16:54.16 | kingk | quitte, I will try helix-player if all else fails |
| 16:54.17 | zAo^ | abrotman, so what do you recommend then? |
| 16:54.22 | quitte | abrotman i'm just confused these .rm video streams actually work here |
| 16:54.25 | abrotman | zAo^: gtk ... wxwindows .. |
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| 16:54.30 | greycat | asuffield: oooh, yay! |
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| 16:54.33 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 16:54.33 | caphuso | gtk is crap |
| 16:54.36 | lkthomas | anyone using jabber ? |
| 16:54.39 | greycat | one less proprietary reverse-engineered codec to worry about! |
| 16:54.42 | jethro | !anyone |
| 16:54.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:54.44 | abrotman | quitte: would you like me to find the language? |
| 16:54.48 | kingk | How do I know what embedded player I am currently using in Mozilla? Cause it plays too fast |
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| 16:55.12 | dvs | kingk: about:plugins |
| 16:55.17 | greycat | what disease does kingk have, and is it contagious? |
| 16:55.22 | abrotman | quitte: https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/helixrealfaq.html |
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| 16:55.24 | quitte | abrotman find the language? |
| 16:55.34 | dvs | pebkac disease |
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| 16:55.54 | abrotman | lkthomas: why? |
| 16:55.54 | kingk | greycat, What do you mean? |
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| 16:56.02 | jaime_alberto | kingk: put this url in mozilla -> about:plugins |
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| 16:56.20 | lkthomas | abrotman : possible to let jabber server to put my account online but I don't need to turn on my jabber client program ? |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | quitte: it plays some real streams .. but not all |
| 16:56.33 | kingk | I have that page, but I have more than one player in there, how do I know which one it is using when I go to a website |
| 16:56.33 | greycat | I'm guessing it's some strain of GUItis... |
| 16:56.51 | abrotman | lkthomas: that doesn't even make sense .. and did you ask #jabber ? |
| 16:57.10 | lkthomas | abrotman: yes, no one answer yet |
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| 16:57.28 | abrotman | lkthomas: if you notice the topic in #jabber .. i believe it tells you a jabber chatroom to join for support |
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| 16:57.32 | quitte | abrotman ok. i found some things that wouldnt play with realplay nor with helix - but totem worked |
| 16:57.39 | kingk | greycat, I don't get it |
| 16:57.39 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 16:57.42 | quitte | abrotman rtsp stream |
| 16:57.52 | kingk | greycat, why do I have disease? |
| 16:57.59 | jaime_alberto | kingk: check which file type is assotiated with which player |
| 16:58.03 | abrotman | quitte: dunno .. i'm just pointing out that helix doesn't play all Real stuff |
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| 16:58.07 | abrotman | quitte: only a subset |
| 16:59.24 | jaime_alberto | If you take the time to get all the codecs and compile mplayer then you won't have to worry about it anymore |
| 17:00.03 | kingk | I am gonna give helix a try I guess |
| 17:00.11 | jaime_alberto | I've tried helix, totem, etc. but I always fall back to mplayer |
| 17:00.12 | stew | !veggiesmite abrotman |
| 17:00.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:00.31 | quitte | jaime_alberto: can mplayer be used as a mozilla plugin? |
| 17:00.56 | jaime_alberto | quitte: yes with mplayer-plugin |
| 17:01.20 | quitte | jaime_alberto sweet. didnt know that. |
| 17:01.44 | greg_work | i've screwed up raid on one of my systems, i was wondering if someone can help me sort it out .. right now, i have /dev/md0 mounted as / .. /proc/mdstat shows md0 : active raid1 hdb1[0] 77650048 blocks [2/1] [U_] .. however, if i mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 then create a file, say, /root/test it also creates /mnt/hda1/root/test .. /etc/raidtab lists md0 as having both hda1 and hdb1. I want to use mdadm to manage this raid, but it |
| 17:01.45 | greg_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.23 | J_P | why Jboss not are in sarge ? |
| 17:02.42 | abrotman | jboss not free? |
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| 17:03.20 | stew | jboss is free but it depends on j2ee which isn't |
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| 17:03.35 | macondo | what do i have to do to print something from VIM? |
| 17:03.39 | kingk | Helix player is same thing as Real player it seems |
| 17:03.40 | abrotman | J_P: stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=120237 |
| 17:03.41 | a_monkey | does the "ati" driver give my ati radeon 9200 3d accel? |
| 17:03.45 | abrotman | kingk: no |
| 17:04.02 | abrotman | kingk: /msg dpkg helixplayer .. read the last link |
| 17:04.39 | kingk | abrotman, the gui is identical |
| 17:04.44 | dvs | a_monkey: no, radeon does |
| 17:04.53 | tatoo | i can't use a pcmcia part. when i load my linux w/ the kernel 2.4-18 i can bring the eth0 up. but when i load the system using the kernel 2.4-27 it doesn't happen. does somebody know what is going on? |
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| 17:05.12 | abrotman | kingk: yes .. the contents are not |
| 17:05.20 | dvs | tatoo: What driver are you using? |
| 17:05.28 | a_monkey | what i mean is, if i'm using the "ati" driver to power my radeon 9200, do i have 3d accel via xfree? |
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| 17:05.58 | dvs | a_monkey: ati will load radeon which does give that capability |
| 17:06.01 | kingk | abrotman, How do I show hidden file? |
| 17:06.01 | p30n | what logfile should i check when i cant ssh to my server ? it says auth failure |
| 17:06.11 | petemc | p30n: /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:06.11 | abrotman | what hidden file? |
| 17:06.21 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: look if the netcard module is loaded, if not then add it to /etc/modules |
| 17:06.26 | petemc | p30n: or ssh -vvv |
| 17:06.44 | asg | xpato: then use Esetroot or bsetbg |
| 17:06.54 | tatoo | dvs: no...it's a dlink dfe-680txd that is loaded as i82365 by the kernel 2.4-18 |
| 17:06.58 | kingk | abrotman, when I try to open a file, I have to go through ./xchat2 which is hidden |
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| 17:07.05 | p30n | petemc what is -vvv ? |
| 17:07.15 | abrotman | kingk: ls -a $HOME ? |
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| 17:07.36 | petemc | p30n: ssh -vvv user@host" user@host is the username and host of the machine you want to login to |
| 17:07.39 | jaime_alberto | a_monkey: zless /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.ati.gz |
| 17:07.47 | jerezana | ola |
| 17:08.03 | kingk | abrotman, No, I mean in helix |
| 17:08.15 | x1bncwn | doesnt less handle the compression by itself |
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| 17:09.01 | x1bncwn | hrm, no wrapper script :P |
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| 17:09.05 | kingk | abrotman, above I meant /.xchat2. Files that start with a period |
| 17:09.06 | tatoo | jaime_alberto: brasileiro? :) but should i simple add "pcmcia_core"? ain't it be loaded w/ modprobe anyway? i mean...on the second kernel... |
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| 17:10.33 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: 1st. colombian, 2nd. have you installed the pcmcia kernel package? 3rd. It never hurts to put the module in /etc/modules anyway 4th. Have you tried hotplug? |
| 17:10.36 | abrotman | kingk: i'm still confused |
| 17:10.41 | sansaway | I'm looking for a some slides (pdf,openoffice,...) to introduce debian at a local school. Does anyone know where to look? |
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| 17:11.13 | chugga | sansaway, ok, i'll help you google |
| 17:11.14 | x1bncwn | i have a question with grub, i installed it, booted, at get no menu |
| 17:11.16 | x1bncwn | and* |
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| 17:11.31 | x1bncwn | just blank screen blinking cursor, press return and it boots |
| 17:11.31 | bizkit | hi is there a password generation tool that generates me good secure passwords written in c? i'm running it in a chroot'ed environment and got no perl/python etc. so my favourite app "makepasswd" is not usable :( |
| 17:11.36 | drasko | hello |
| 17:11.36 | sansaway | chugga, cheers :) |
| 17:11.43 | abrotman | bizkit: yes .. passwdgen i think it's called |
| 17:11.47 | kingk | abrotman, When I have helix open and running, then I want to open a file, I go file open. But the file I want is in director /home/kingk/.xchat2 and there is no option I can see in helix to show hidden files (ie.file beginning with period) |
| 17:11.48 | asg | x1bncwn: you probably forgot to generate the menu (man update-grub) |
| 17:11.50 | bizkit | thanls abrotman |
| 17:12.07 | stew | bizkit: pwgen |
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| 17:12.15 | abrotman | bizkit: `apt-cache search password generat` |
| 17:12.25 | abrotman | stew even knows the name of one :) |
| 17:12.26 | chugga | sanso, http://www.operationaldynamics.com/reference/talks/DebianGentoo/ |
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| 17:12.53 | asg | sanso: also http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 17:13.30 | p30n | how can it be that i can connect from my shell in another country to my deb box and i can login with root and everything, but i cant connect from my other computers in the LAN |
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| 17:13.59 | stew | p30n: is the server natted? |
| 17:14.16 | p30n | i have a NAT firewall |
| 17:14.16 | asg | p30n: can you ping your shell server from another lan machine? telnet to port 22? |
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| 17:14.19 | greycat | because you configured something wrong. |
| 17:14.34 | stew | p30n: are you trying to ssh to the public or the private ip? |
| 17:15.10 | jethro | p30n: you need to turn usedns off I d say |
| 17:15.24 | jethro | p30n: in the sshd_config |
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| 17:15.59 | p30n | from this compueter im trying to ssh over dhcp ip 192.168.x.x and that doesnt work but if im trying to ssh to my official ip from another shell server in another country it works |
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| 17:16.07 | a_monkey | is there a debian mailing list? |
| 17:16.08 | kingk | maybe there is some other problem besides installing a embedded player |
| 17:16.12 | asg | a_monkey: many |
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| 17:16.14 | stew | ssh over dhcp |
| 17:16.17 | asg | a_monkey: lists.debian.org |
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| 17:16.30 | AP03 | can anyone please help, trying to set up ssh server |
| 17:16.41 | stew | AP03: and... |
| 17:16.51 | greycat | !tell AP03 about ask |
| 17:16.54 | asg | AP03: apt-get install ssh; follow prompts |
| 17:16.56 | AP03 | stew: always says access denied |
| 17:17.00 | AP03 | asg: did that, now what? |
| 17:17.07 | stew | AP03: what says that? when? |
| 17:17.14 | greycat | AP03: "ssh localhost" to test it. |
| 17:17.20 | asg | AP03: check /var/log/auth.log, /etc/hosts.* |
| 17:17.24 | AP03 | stew: putty says that when i try to ssh to the box |
| 17:17.34 | dvs | AP03: Look in the /etc/ssh directory |
| 17:17.58 | stew | AP03: does it work on localhost? |
| 17:18.04 | AP03 | stew: yes |
| 17:18.16 | stew | AP03: does it work from another linux box? |
| 17:18.16 | kingk | what is mplayer called on apt-cache search, is it gmplayer?, cause i can't find it |
| 17:18.19 | greycat | then my money's on 1) firewall or 2) hosts.deny |
| 17:18.23 | asg | kingk: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:18.28 | AP03 | stew: it connects but says access denied |
| 17:18.32 | sml | gmplayer is the X front end to mplayer |
| 17:18.33 | asg | greycat: or he doesn't have it listening on !127.0.0.1 |
| 17:18.52 | stew | AP03: use ssh -v and watch /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:19.18 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 17:19.18 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 17:19.21 | stew | asg: then it wouldn't connect |
| 17:19.24 | bEuTe | hi |
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| 17:19.35 | bEuTe | im a linux-noob... i have a problem |
| 17:19.45 | bEuTe | i want to install debian 3.0 |
| 17:19.51 | bEuTe | i downloaded the 7 cds |
| 17:19.58 | bEuTe | but the first doesnt boot... |
| 17:20.13 | bEuTe | !help |
| 17:20.14 | asg | stew: right |
| 17:20.16 | dvs | bEuTe: check the md5som on the images |
| 17:20.27 | AP03 | stew: how to do the ssh -v - on the client or server? |
| 17:20.33 | stew | AP03: on the client |
| 17:20.35 | AP03 | stew: can putty do ssh -v? |
| 17:20.36 | kingk | How can I fix it? My mozilla embedded player plays audio too fast |
| 17:20.38 | stew | AP03: no |
| 17:20.41 | bEuTe | the md5 are ok |
| 17:20.44 | stew | AP03: from a linux box |
| 17:20.50 | AP03 | i dont have a 2nd linux box |
| 17:21.01 | tatoo | jaime_alberto: no...what is hotplug basically? |
| 17:21.05 | bEuTe | i downloaded the *rar files |
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| 17:21.07 | stew | < stew> AP03: does it work from another linux box? < AP03> stew: it connects but says access denied |
| 17:21.10 | PerfDave | AP03: Have a look in the PuTTY documentation |
| 17:21.12 | bEuTe | but the first cdrom doesnt bott |
| 17:21.14 | bEuTe | boot |
| 17:21.20 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: apt-cache show hotplug |
| 17:21.21 | dvs | bEuTe: Try the 2nd CD |
| 17:21.25 | greycat | the WHAT files?!? |
| 17:21.27 | kingk | what about kaffeine, will that launch to watch http movie trailers? |
| 17:21.30 | bEuTe | why the 2nd? |
| 17:21.33 | felipe | How should I ask for sound to the bot?? |
| 17:21.40 | greycat | 12:21 bEuTe> i downloaded the *rar files |
| 17:21.40 | asg | felipe: /msg dpkg sound |
| 17:21.41 | dvs | bEuTe: All the CD's bot |
| 17:21.44 | greycat | what the fuck...? |
| 17:21.46 | dvs | s/bot/boot |
| 17:21.56 | greycat | felipe: /msg dpkg sound |
| 17:21.57 | felipe | asg thx! |
| 17:22.02 | PerfDave | kingk: In mozilla, you can install the kaffeine-mozilla player |
| 17:22.09 | bEuTe | what file must be on the cd?? so that it boot? |
| 17:22.30 | kingk | PerfDave, What do you mean I can install it "In mozilla"? |
| 17:22.33 | AP03 | stew: i managed to do what you asked |
| 17:22.35 | asg | bootable pr0n? |
| 17:22.38 | bEuTe | maybe i burned it wrong? |
| 17:22.52 | dvs | bEuTe: If there's only one file, you burnt it wrong. |
| 17:23.12 | AP03 | stew: RSA host key for akhil.homedns.org has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 17:23.12 | AP03 | Host key verification failed. |
| 17:23.13 | bEuTe | i dl the rar files |
| 17:23.15 | greycat | I STILL want to know what the fuck the *rar files are that it's referring to. |
| 17:23.22 | dvs | bEuTe: rar files? |
| 17:23.23 | bEuTe | there are a lot of files on the cd :-) |
| 17:23.27 | asg | AP03: there you go then |
| 17:23.42 | jethro | rar files of the latests debian warez? |
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| 17:23.46 | dvs | bEuTe: Debian CDs come as .iso files |
| 17:23.49 | AP03 | asg: lol what does that mean and how to fix? |
| 17:23.49 | bEuTe | ftp://ftp.mpi-sb.mpg.de/pub/linux/distributions/debian/debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/i386/ |
| 17:23.51 | bEuTe | this |
| 17:23.55 | jethro | s/sts/st/ |
| 17:24.01 | bEuTe | this rar-files: |
| 17:24.01 | bEuTe | ftp://ftp.mpi-sb.mpg.de/pub/linux/distributions/debian/debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/i386/ |
| 17:24.05 | stew | AP03: you need to make putty forget about the old host key |
| 17:24.07 | felipe | I know it is stupid, but is alsa the only way to get sound out of 2.6 kernels? |
| 17:24.19 | x1bncwn | oss works |
| 17:24.19 | asg | AP03: it means you verified the server's host key in the past, created a new host key later, and putty refuses to connect. Find where putty stores host keys and delete the old one. |
| 17:24.24 | jethro | felipe: you can have the buzzer as well |
| 17:24.24 | bEuTe | have i dl the wrong files???? |
| 17:24.29 | a_monkey | what's the command for launching the default web browser? |
| 17:24.36 | daaku | i'm trying gnome-2.8 & metacity (currently using fvwm2).. is there a way to configure gnome to launch applications with custom shortcuts? (like launch gmrun using Alt-F2) |
| 17:24.44 | a_monkey | btw i'm using gnome |
| 17:24.45 | asg | a_monkey: sensible-browser\ |
| 17:24.49 | asg | s/\\// |
| 17:24.50 | felipe | How come sound works on 2.4 and when I boot the 2.6 sound wont work? |
| 17:24.50 | tatoo | jaime_alberto: i forgot to answer you....yes, i installed the pcmcia kernel package for the kernel 2.4-27 |
| 17:24.52 | greycat | there are no .rar files in there, that I can see. |
| 17:24.56 | dvs | bEuTe: I don't see any rar files there |
| 17:24.58 | bEuTe | ups.. thats no rar files ^^ |
| 17:25.06 | bEuTe | but i burned them... |
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| 17:25.12 | x1bncwn | felipe are you unmuting the channels? |
| 17:25.13 | bEuTe | and it doesnt work |
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| 17:25.21 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: have you checked which modules are loaded? (lsmod) |
| 17:25.22 | felipe | x1bncwn sure |
| 17:25.23 | greycat | it must be a windows user. |
| 17:25.31 | greycat | that's all I can think of. It's got windows poisoning. |
| 17:25.35 | asg | hehe |
| 17:25.37 | felipe | greycat it = me? |
| 17:25.44 | x1bncwn | did you install alsa-utils |
| 17:25.47 | greycat | its brain is therefore unable to process concepts such as "give detailed problem descriptions" |
| 17:25.49 | jethro | felipe: no bEuTe |
| 17:25.50 | felipe | x1bncwn sure |
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| 17:25.56 | bEuTe | <-- im a windows user, cause i cant boot linux-cds^^ |
| 17:25.58 | kingk | How come Firefox installed on windows is so full featured, and then not on linux? Same goes for VLC, In windows it can play anything, including tar and zip files, but not the Linux version |
| 17:25.59 | x1bncwn | whats it say? |
| 17:26.07 | x1bncwn | it just does nothing? |
| 17:26.10 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: install hotplug it will save a lot of trouble |
| 17:26.10 | felipe | x1bncwn wont find my driver |
| 17:26.11 | a_monkey | i set firefox as my default browser, but "sensible-browser" launches epiphany |
| 17:26.18 | asg | kingk: licensing, sane defaults. |
| 17:26.19 | dvs | bEuTe: Boot another one of the CDs |
| 17:26.22 | bEuTe | :-( ... i want debian^^ |
| 17:26.24 | x1bncwn | did you try alsaconf |
| 17:26.24 | asg | a_monkey: man update-alternatives |
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| 17:26.31 | stew | bEuTe: have you ever before burned a cd that you were able to boot from? |
| 17:26.31 | greycat | or tell us HOW YOU BURNED THIS .iso FILE! |
| 17:26.43 | bEuTe | yes stew |
| 17:26.43 | felipe | x1bncwn sure! alsaconf didnt find any driver here |
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| 17:26.47 | greycat | or make boot floppies and do it that way! |
| 17:26.50 | bEuTe | i burned it with nero^^ |
| 17:26.56 | x1bncwn | is your sound card supported in linux? :P |
| 17:26.58 | jethro | bEuTe: you have a .iso file on the cdrom ? |
| 17:26.59 | dvs | bEuTe: using what option? |
| 17:27.02 | asg | a_monkey: or rather set your BROWSER variable |
| 17:27.02 | greycat | nero^^? is that similar to nero? |
| 17:27.04 | PerfDave | kingk: I mean, if you're using mozilla, there's a plugin to open media on the web in Kaffeine |
| 17:27.05 | bEuTe | burn image ^^ |
| 17:27.07 | kingk | You know what I am getting fast play back on embedded player in Mozilla, & FireFox, what could be the problem |
| 17:27.09 | x1bncwn | and does your kernel have the support built into it |
| 17:27.10 | felipe | x1bncwn it works just fine in 2.4.27 |
| 17:27.22 | bEuTe | im just a stupid windows user... sorry... |
| 17:27.22 | kingk | PerfDave, I installed it |
| 17:27.24 | felipe | x1bncwn cmi8330 |
| 17:27.24 | jethro | bEuTe: using ^^ only makes you look more lame |
| 17:27.25 | stew | n3r0^^ |
| 17:27.31 | bEuTe | maybe im to stupid for debian ^^ |
| 17:27.32 | greycat | kingk: ask #mplayer or #mozilla |
| 17:27.33 | kingk | PerfDave, But how do I know if it is using it now |
| 17:27.37 | asg | stew: W01f? |
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| 17:27.42 | x1bncwn | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko |
| 17:27.48 | felipe | bEuTe are you korean? |
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| 17:27.50 | x1bncwn | whats the problem? |
| 17:27.57 | PerfDave | kingk: Try visiting a web page which has embedded media? |
| 17:27.59 | kingk | greycat, Ok I'll shutup and take a breath |
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| 17:27.59 | bEuTe | im german |
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| 17:28.13 | kingk | PerfDave, Yeah I did, it the same thing as before |
| 17:28.17 | felipe | x1bncwn dunno why it doesnt work...any idea? |
| 17:28.20 | dvs | bEuTe: I'd boot another one of the CDs |
| 17:28.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lame? |
| 17:28.22 | ravenbird | from memory, lame is an MP3 encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. gogo is a faster encoder (now without a maintainer), based on an older version of lame, or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules', or do nickometer <nick> |
| 17:28.29 | bEuTe | kk.. i try other cd |
| 17:28.30 | FieldySnuts | didn't realize that was so long |
| 17:28.30 | bEuTe | bye |
| 17:28.34 | felipe | bEuTe ow ok |
| 17:28.36 | x1bncwn | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-cmipci.ko i see that one also |
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| 17:28.40 | dvs | ya! he's gone! |
| 17:28.45 | x1bncwn | is it pci or isa? |
| 17:28.52 | felipe | lemme check it here |
| 17:28.53 | felipe | isa |
| 17:29.07 | tatoo | jaime_alberto: ok...let me try... |
| 17:29.28 | x1bncwn | well the module is certainly present in the kernel |
| 17:29.29 | stew | funny to compare the beginning of the lame factoid and the short description of the package... |
| 17:29.37 | enraged | scren +a +d |
| 17:29.37 | x1bncwn | you did install the kernel package correct? |
| 17:29.46 | x1bncwn | otherwise your probably missins module-init-tools |
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| 17:30.05 | felipe | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 |
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| 17:30.14 | old-man-walking | hi |
| 17:30.21 | felipe | x1bncwn hold...lemme try once more here....brb |
| 17:30.23 | x1bncwn | felipe locate cmi8330 |
| 17:30.43 | felipe | x1bncwn reinstalling 2.6 |
| 17:31.51 | felipe | x1bncwn will reboot to 2.6 now...brb |
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| 17:33.57 | jaime_alberto | can hotplug, pcmcia-cs and discover be installed at the same time or only one must be choosed? |
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| 17:34.56 | stew | jaime_alberto: all thre can be installed |
| 17:35.19 | jaime_alberto | stew: so they don't collide? |
| 17:35.37 | old-man-walking | he ähm, how can i get modules for debian? need the ac97 for my sound device |
| 17:35.43 | asg | !ac97 |
| 17:35.44 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 17:35.53 | jaime_alberto | tatoo: apt-get install pcmcia-cs hotplug discover |
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| 17:36.20 | stew | jaime_alberto: /msg dpkg conflicts discover ; /msg dpkg conflicts pcmcia-cs ... |
| 17:36.28 | fernando | it is posible execute de adduser command in bath mode? |
| 17:36.47 | asg | fernando: user's don't like baths |
| 17:36.56 | jaime_alberto | old-man-walking: modprobe ac97 |
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| 17:37.18 | asg | fernando: newusers(8) |
| 17:37.27 | old-man-walking | ensonic 5880 audiopc - i only know, that this card runs with a standart driver, because with a full debian install, sound device works |
| 17:37.32 | old-man-walking | jaime_alberto no |
| 17:37.44 | fernando | thanks! |
| 17:37.45 | old-man-walking | cant locate module |
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| 17:37.45 | greycat | old-man-walking: so use Debian. be happy. |
| 17:37.49 | old-man-walking | alsaconf? |
| 17:38.08 | old-man-walking | greycat i have debian.. |
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| 17:40.23 | stew | old-man-walking: if it works with a full debian install, what do you have now? |
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| 17:40.26 | greycat | Have I mentioned lately how utterly preposterously *lame* it is that you can't just boot a Linux kernel and have it simply *work* with your "supported" sound chipsets? Why do end users have to fuck around with "alsaconf" or anything like that? |
| 17:40.33 | felipe | back |
| 17:41.04 | stew | greycat: i'm gonna wager a guess that you had mentioned that before :) |
| 17:41.12 | jaime_alberto | old-man-walking: Are you using a prepackaged kernel or did you compile it your self? |
| 17:41.14 | old-man-walking | a small installation |
| 17:41.18 | greycat | of...? |
| 17:41.25 | old-man-walking | prepackaged |
| 17:41.29 | x1bncwn | my sound works flawlessly |
| 17:41.30 | stew | old-man-walking: what do you perceive is the difference between the small one and the full one? |
| 17:41.35 | x1bncwn | with no human interaction |
| 17:41.37 | charolastra | greycat: noone has to fuck around; last time i got a new motherboard i just built a new kernel and everything worked |
| 17:41.37 | x1bncwn | :P |
| 17:41.42 | humbolt | how can I make debian or kde find my usbstick and/or firewire cdrom on hotplug and mount it or at least create a mountpoint or icon on desktop, however it should assist me in a way with mounting stuff |
| 17:41.43 | old-man-walking | mhh.. maybe with a update to 2.6 it runs, what do u mean? |
| 17:41.54 | stew | old-man-walking: which install media did you use? |
| 17:42.02 | greycat | old-man-walking: GO USE THE FULL INSTALL OF DEBIAN THAT YOU SAID WORKS. |
| 17:42.18 | old-man-walking | humbolt i can give u a script to mount the sick autom. |
| 17:42.24 | kingk | Ah ha, see, I gotta move the xx.so file to the mozilla plugin director, now I gotta figure out where that is |
| 17:42.27 | felipe | greycat what should I do? |
| 17:42.32 | old-man-walking | works also with multipli partions sticks |
| 17:42.35 | asg | kingk: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 17:42.42 | x1bncwn | kingk /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 17:42.45 | greycat | felipe: get a job, run for office, marry, have kids, live happily ever after |
| 17:42.54 | x1bncwn | cant you just think them also? |
| 17:43.02 | x1bncwn | as opposed to mv'ing cp'ing |
| 17:43.05 | x1bncwn | link* |
| 17:43.07 | asg | greycat: some of those options might be mutually exclusive |
| 17:43.12 | greycat | asg: heh |
| 17:43.17 | felipe | greycat nice...besides that...concerning my lack of sound on 2.6 |
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| 17:43.32 | greycat | felipe: buy an SB live. run 2.4 and OSS. be happy. |
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| 17:43.35 | x1bncwn | felipe still doesnt work? |
| 17:43.37 | jaime_alberto | greycat: You can't ask him to have kids and live happily at the same time! |
| 17:43.43 | felipe | x1bncwn nope :( |
| 17:43.43 | a_monkey | since i only have a one-button mouse, what is the key that emulates the right mouse button? |
| 17:43.51 | old-man-walking | jaime_alberto : i want to update my kernel to 2.6. is there a easy why? only prepacked kernel |
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| 17:43.54 | x1bncwn | felipe modprobe snd-cmi8330 |
| 17:43.58 | x1bncwn | whats that do? |
| 17:43.59 | felipe | x1bncwn ok |
| 17:43.59 | FunG | is there a reason debian only has ext2 and not reiser or xfs or anything? |
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| 17:44.08 | a_monkey | i'm using one of them apple mice |
| 17:44.09 | kingk | ? First, read <install java> |
| 17:44.10 | asg | FunG: debian has reiser and xfs |
| 17:44.14 | x1bncwn | then run alsamizer |
| 17:44.21 | paulswm | old-man-walking: which release of debian are you running? |
| 17:44.22 | stew | old-man-walking: that depends on what version of debian you are running |
| 17:44.23 | greycat | FunG: because A) you chose woody and not sarge, and B) you DID NOT READ THE HELP, and C) you DID NOT READ THE INSTALL MANUAL |
| 17:44.23 | x1bncwn | and press M on all the channels |
| 17:44.27 | x1bncwn | to unmute them |
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| 17:44.30 | jaime_alberto | old-man-walking: kernel 2.6 is not a good choice, it is not as stable as many wish |
| 17:44.36 | felipe | fatal_: Error inserting snd_cmi8330 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko): No such device |
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| 17:44.43 | x1bncwn | i couldnt install on xfs |
| 17:44.57 | x1bncwn | i used the 'compact' disks |
| 17:45.00 | jaime_alberto | old-man-walking: stay with 2.4 at least until the end of the year |
| 17:45.00 | FunG | i didnt realize my computer could tell if I had read the manual. thats neat that it can hide options from me based on that tho |
| 17:45.11 | x1bncwn | cause im outta floppies, and only had a choice of ext2/3 reiser |
| 17:45.17 | greycat | x1bncwn: you must use bf24 to get anything but ext2 in woody |
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| 17:45.28 | humbolt | old-man-walking: the automount package from debian? |
| 17:45.30 | x1bncwn | hrm |
| 17:45.31 | old-man-walking | jaime_alberto : oke.. mhh.. where can i get the ac97 modules ? or what can i do? sorry, but i didnt find somthing with google..- |
| 17:45.37 | x1bncwn | maybe thats what i used |
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| 17:45.41 | old-man-walking | humbolt no |
| 17:45.43 | x1bncwn | i didnt use the boot floppy |
| 17:45.51 | x1bncwn | only booted a normal kernel with root.bin as the initrd |
| 17:45.55 | paulswm | old-man-walking: they come with debian. Which version of debian are you rinning? |
| 17:45.55 | felipe | x1bncwn what could be wrong? |
| 17:45.58 | jaime_alberto | old-man-walking: there must be something with your kernel package 'cause it must have those modules, try reinstalling it |
| 17:46.06 | old-man-walking | its a protect form a user in #kanotix |
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| 17:46.27 | x1bncwn | felipe no idea, it autodetected and enabled/loaded setup my sound |
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| 17:46.34 | stew | that was a tough one to flush out :) |
| 17:46.35 | humbolt | old-man-walking: is it a script you attach to hotplug? |
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| 17:46.42 | x1bncwn | snd 57156 6 snd_cs46xx,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 17:46.43 | paulswm | !beer greycat |
| 17:46.44 | dvs | humbolt: he's gone |
| 17:46.44 | humbolt | old-man-walking: tell me more |
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| 17:46.53 | x1bncwn | i didnt have to do anything |
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| 17:46.58 | x1bncwn | my sound already worked |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | FUCKING NON-DEBIAN USERS ASKING FOR HELP WITH THEIR NON-DEBIAN PROBLEMS. |
| 17:47.08 | elboss | why debian distro is the best for you???????? |
| 17:47.13 | greycat | !why debian |
| 17:47.13 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:47.14 | a_monkey | how can i "right-click" on something if my mouse doesn't have a right mouse button? there must be some key that emulates the right mouse button |
| 17:47.20 | greycat | a_monkey: man xmodmap |
| 17:47.24 | kingk | I don't know if I am sid sarge or woody, well I know its not woody |
| 17:47.27 | paulswm | greycat: and he knew it and avoided being open or trithful |
| 17:47.27 | a_monkey | greycat, thx |
| 17:47.31 | greycat | a_monkey: or for the love of Eris, just go BUY a real mouse. |
| 17:47.32 | stew | paulswm: yeah |
| 17:47.42 | felipe | x1bncwn it seems to load just as fine as on 2.4 (on boot)...Since I m not using alsa, is it possible to have a conflite or something? |
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| 17:47.53 | x1bncwn | a_monkey yes, emulate 3 buttons in X config i think |
| 17:47.53 | greycat | paulswm: yes. I knew it 10 minutes ago when he said "a small install" and was intentionally vague. |
| 17:47.57 | felipe | x1bncwn maybe uninstall alsa |
| 17:48.00 | x1bncwn | both buttons should act like a middle button |
| 17:48.08 | humbolt | how do I find out which app is blocking unmount? |
| 17:48.12 | x1bncwn | or some nonsense |
| 17:48.13 | adjacent | do i need to edit syslog.conf to enable syslog to log events from remote hosts? |
| 17:48.16 | humbolt | fuser? |
| 17:48.17 | greycat | humbolt: fuser, lsof |
| 17:48.33 | greycat | adjacent: and the start-up options for syslogd |
| 17:48.37 | stew | adjacent: you need to edit the init script |
| 17:48.47 | paulswm | greycat: yes, you, stew and I were on the same wavelength, trying to dig it out if him :) |
| 17:48.53 | adjacent | greycat: stew: ahh |
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| 17:49.16 | greycat | wow, they're still actually *in* the init.d script even in sarge. no /etc/default/sysklogd yet. |
| 17:49.19 | stew | he was also in the #kanotix channel |
| 17:49.40 | kingk | this dpkg guy rules! |
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| 17:49.51 | hacim | if I want to use the font '-Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO10646-1' in xterm, how can I increase its size? |
| 17:49.52 | paulswm | and prolly in the #assholes channel |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | dpkg: say kingk: thanks! |
| 17:49.53 | dpkg | kingk: thanks! |
| 17:49.57 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill kingk |
| 17:50.05 | jaime_alberto | XD |
| 17:50.13 | greycat | paulswm: #s3kr3t-tr0llz-clubh0uz3 |
| 17:50.22 | x1bncwn | so anyways im confused, i installed the other day, and added some 'unoffical' mirrors to sources.list adamantix and such, and after messing around awhile, my console was screwed, eventually i had to wax the whole system as libssp was missing and dpkg depended on it, so i reinstalled this morning, from stable -> testing right from the start, before i even got more than the base system install, and now my console fonts are perfect |
| 17:50.30 | romulo | hi, one of my debian machines is working well and connected to internet and sharing connection is ok too(via nat) but after i run a dist-upgrade on another one(ubuntu) the ping and internet stopped working, what can i do? |
| 17:50.43 | x1bncwn | and everything else seems to be working much better, they should but a big warning about mixing dists, heh |
| 17:50.49 | felipe | x1bncwn is your Synth on?? (@ mixer) |
| 17:50.51 | jaime_alberto | hacim: play a while with xfontsel and you will find out |
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| 17:51.40 | x1bncwn | synth? it doesnt have any of the sequencer modules loaded if thats related, heh |
| 17:51.44 | x1bncwn | but yes my mixer works |
| 17:51.59 | felipe | What is strange is that kmix shows everything right |
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| 17:52.04 | adjacent | greycat: i need to enable -r from remote UDP logging? that sounds wrong, sounds like it would allow syslog to log to a remote host |
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| 17:52.15 | adjacent | and i need syslog to log _from_ a remote host |
| 17:52.17 | felipe | which means that the driver probably was load...Am I right> |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | adjacent: whatever it said when you read "man syslogd" |
| 17:52.30 | adjacent | greycat: =) |
| 17:52.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.00 | x1bncwn | felipe do audio applications work? |
| 17:53.01 | greycat | wow, a typo. imagine that. a man page that needs fixing. |
| 17:53.02 | x1bncwn | not in kde |
| 17:53.03 | PerfDave | romulo: Ask #ubuntu, since Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 17:53.03 | greycat | on GNU/Linux. |
| 17:53.05 | greycat | Amazing. |
| 17:53.07 | x1bncwn | cause arts wil work anyways |
| 17:53.11 | SlayerXP | greycat: but "df -r" doesn't work?!??!?!??!?!??!?!??!?!?! |
| 17:53.13 | x1bncwn | itll use a 'null' |
| 17:53.17 | x1bncwn | er output plugin |
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| 17:53.24 | x1bncwn | try xmms |
| 17:53.30 | x1bncwn | with alsa output |
| 17:53.40 | felipe | x1bncwn mplayer plays, but no I get no sound |
| 17:53.47 | romulo | PerfDave, i did too, but the server is debian and im not sure where the problem is |
| 17:53.53 | x1bncwn | that wont tell you anything either |
| 17:53.58 | x1bncwn | itll just say no_audio |
| 17:54.00 | x1bncwn | try xmms |
| 17:54.02 | asuffield | greycat: so go and file a bug on the sucker :P |
| 17:54.04 | x1bncwn | with alsa and oss output |
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| 17:54.35 | x1bncwn | if the device isnt working, it should have issues with it |
| 17:54.45 | x1bncwn | like say audio device unavailable and such |
| 17:54.50 | PerfDave | romulo: Hang on. Your NAT box is running Debian, and stopped working when you upgraded an Ubuntu box on the same network? |
| 17:54.53 | x1bncwn | and pop uo a window telling you so |
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| 17:56.25 | romulo | PerfDave, yeah, the network itself is not working anymore, i cannot ping ubuntu box or ubuntu box ping me |
| 17:56.27 | felipe | x1bncwn nothing happens...lemme try kappls |
| 17:56.40 | x1bncwn | nothing? |
| 17:56.41 | udo | #debianitas |
| 17:56.44 | x1bncwn | xmms doesnt even play? |
| 17:56.48 | PerfDave | romulo: But you can access the internet from the Debian box? |
| 17:56.52 | penta | Security Warning, your resolver configuration contains 127.0.0.1 why this is a security warning just wondering? |
| 17:56.52 | romulo | PerfDave, yeah |
| 17:56.55 | asg | udo: #debian-women-es? |
| 17:57.01 | PerfDave | romulo: Sounds like your upgrade fucked your Ubuntu box then. |
| 17:57.02 | felipe | x1bncwn the music plays w/ no sound |
| 17:57.05 | x1bncwn | ok |
| 17:57.07 | [Granger] | hmm is debian.org down? |
| 17:57.12 | x1bncwn | have you run alsamixer |
| 17:57.15 | x1bncwn | not kmix |
| 17:57.16 | x1bncwn | or amix |
| 17:57.16 | PerfDave | romulo: Go ask #ubuntu about it |
| 17:57.18 | x1bncwn | alsamixer |
| 17:57.19 | greycat | asg: I was thinking "Debianista" myself, as in some sort of guerrilla Debian hacker squad |
| 17:57.20 | kingk | Yeah, debian.org is down it seems |
| 17:57.26 | udo | asg debian in spanish |
| 17:57.26 | felipe | x1bncwn aumix |
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| 17:57.31 | [Granger] | kingk: damng |
| 17:57.32 | pipeline | Probably rooted again |
| 17:57.32 | x1bncwn | try alsamixer |
| 17:57.36 | [Granger] | dang* |
| 17:57.46 | [Granger] | heh rooted? |
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| 17:57.50 | asg | greycat: yeah, I didn't know which one to go with. I assumed it was an attempt to cyber badly. I was wrong. |
| 17:57.58 | [Granger] | isn't debian.org running on a secured version of woody? |
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| 17:57.59 | asg | !tell udo about es |
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| 17:58.17 | felipe | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 17:58.20 | kingk | so debian 2.4.27, what is that? Is it sarge? or sid? |
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| 17:58.37 | pipeline | It's available on stable, sarge, and sid. |
| 17:58.41 | pipeline | 2.4.27 is a kernel revision |
| 17:58.42 | udo | asg thx I already know |
| 17:58.42 | dvs | kingk: none of them |
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| 17:58.51 | asg | kingk: it's a linux kernel version available on both sarge and sid |
| 17:58.54 | kingk | dvs, how do I find out what mine is? |
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| 17:59.01 | jaime_alberto | udo: #debian-es |
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| 17:59.06 | dvs | kingk: cat /etc/debian_versioin |
| 17:59.07 | [Granger] | karnov: don't irc as root |
| 17:59.07 | stew | kingk: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:59.12 | kingk | cool |
| 17:59.40 | stew | kingk: if you don't know, lets prey its sarge and not sid |
| 17:59.40 | udo | thx jaime_alberto |
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| 17:59.45 | stew | pray? |
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| 18:00.01 | [Granger] | stew: he's running SID64 ;) |
| 18:00.06 | kingk | /etc/debian_version says 3.1. What is the name? |
| 18:00.14 | dvs | kingk: sarge |
| 18:00.22 | PerfDave | kingk: Or Sid |
| 18:00.32 | topa_ | installed rsh-server, how do I start rshd ?, I see no script in /etc/init.d |
| 18:00.33 | m0rbid | Hey guys, Im trying to compile ALSA from source, I got the kernel-headers for my image, but when I run make, I get this: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 18:00.34 | [Granger] | 3.1 is sarge |
| 18:00.38 | stew | PerfDave: doesn't sid say testing/unstable? |
| 18:00.42 | PerfDave | No, 3.1 is sarge or sid. |
| 18:00.57 | asg | [Granger]: and /etc/debian_version is 3.1 in sarge too |
| 18:00.57 | PerfDave | stew: not on my sid box right here it doesn't. |
| 18:00.58 | greycat | right now it's either. |
| 18:01.08 | asg | [Granger]: err sid |
| 18:01.08 | greycat | later on, sid'll say "testing/unstable" again, most likely |
| 18:01.14 | jaime_alberto | m0rbid: alsa is included in the 2.6 kernels |
| 18:01.23 | [Granger] | kingk: uname -a |
| 18:01.28 | asg | greycat: it would be easier if it listed the libc6 version as well |
| 18:01.28 | [Granger] | tell us what kernel you're on |
| 18:01.31 | stew | kingk: then look at /etc/apt/sources.list, do you see sarge or testing or sid or unstable? |
| 18:01.42 | stew | [Granger]: he did, 2.4.27 |
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| 18:01.54 | greycat | asg: might as well throw in the kernel too, if you're doing that. |
| 18:01.57 | topa_ | installed rsh-server, how do I start rshd ?, I see no script in /etc/init.d :( |
| 18:02.03 | [Granger] | that sounds like woody/sarge |
| 18:02.07 | m0rbid | jaime_alberto: yeah I know, but for some reason, it wont work with my soundcard, or alsa doesnt seem to want to isntall it, and the card is VERY well supported. SB 16 Compat. |
| 18:02.08 | greycat | topa_: it's probably in inetd.conf |
| 18:02.10 | [Granger] | topa_: don't repeat |
| 18:02.11 | asg | greycat: might as well |
| 18:02.21 | kingk | Its sarge! |
| 18:02.23 | topa_ | thanks @ greycat |
| 18:02.24 | stew | [Granger]: woody is 2.4.18 |
| 18:02.26 | _SerhaT_ | I got a sarge box here.. with 2.4.27 ^^ |
| 18:02.31 | _SerhaT_ | a friends atleast |
| 18:02.31 | x1bncwn | alsaconf seems to work well for me also |
| 18:02.34 | _SerhaT_ | so sarge I think |
| 18:02.41 | [Granger] | stew: hmm didn't know that |
| 18:02.45 | m0rbid | jaime_alberto: Yesterday, install with the debian packages went well, after a few reboots, then today it wont go at all. |
| 18:02.46 | x1bncwn | it even prompted if i wanted to edit modules.conf modprobe.conf |
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| 18:02.54 | jaime_alberto | m0rbid: read the kernel docs to find out which module you must use |
| 18:02.55 | udo | can anybody paste line to update my sources.list and be able to install j2re1.3? the ones I tried don seem to work. thx |
| 18:02.57 | stew | [Granger]: not to woody you don't |
| 18:03.04 | asg | udo: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:03.12 | [Granger] | stew: no I know that |
| 18:03.15 | udo | tkx asg |
| 18:03.18 | m0rbid | jaime_alberto: for the soundcard? I allready know.. snd-es1371 |
| 18:03.22 | greycat | "SB 16 Compat" is a scary phrase. Not all of the sound cards that are marketed as "soundblaster compatible" really *are*. |
| 18:03.23 | [Granger] | last time I used woody I passed bf24 |
| 18:03.24 | udo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.31 | x1bncwn | should downloading the 1.5 jre rpm from sun coverting to .deb and installing work? |
| 18:03.40 | jaime_alberto | udo: www.blackdown.org |
| 18:03.46 | x1bncwn | mozilla didnt seem to want to use it |
| 18:03.47 | greycat | x1bncwn: /msg dpkg isntall java |
| 18:03.48 | dvs | x1bncwn: If you really want 1.5 |
| 18:03.49 | greycat | err. |
| 18:03.51 | greycat | x1bncwn: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:03.53 | m0rbid | greycat: its an es1371 |
| 18:03.57 | greycat | m0rbid: fine. |
| 18:04.04 | jaime_alberto | m0rbid: but does it load? (modprobe) |
| 18:04.14 | m0rbid | jaime_alberto: yes |
| 18:04.25 | udo | thx jaime_alberto |
| 18:04.47 | greycat | m0rbid: did you *unload* the oss module (es1371) before you tried using the ALSA ones? |
| 18:04.50 | greycat | m0rbid: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:05.11 | kingk | So, microsoft pays Java for every copy of ie? |
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| 18:05.18 | penta | why is the security risk to have the local 127.0.0.1 on the resolve.conf if your server is dns server ? |
| 18:05.19 | m0rbid | greycat: I never loaded it, and it doesnt seem to be loaded when I use modconf |
| 18:05.35 | stew | kingk: ie doesn't come with java |
| 18:05.38 | greycat | m0rbid: never use modconf. try 'lsmod'. |
| 18:05.42 | dvs | m0rbid: lsmod | grep es137 |
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| 18:05.51 | jasz | hello |
| 18:06.02 | kingk | stew, oh, what does ie use, cause ie works all over the internet |
| 18:06.10 | greycat | windows comes with java |
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| 18:06.16 | stew | greycat: not anymore |
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| 18:06.25 | stew | greycat: unless its a manufacturer preload |
| 18:06.27 | jasz | if i want to print a document.. to a printer connected to a Windows Machine, from my Debian machine.. do I need to install CUPS or LPD ? |
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| 18:06.31 | greycat | stew: ah, that could be it. |
| 18:06.45 | asg | jasz: either should work though cups would probably be easier for you to get going. |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | jasz: technically, no, you don't. |
| 18:06.59 | jasz | greycat, .. is there any way around it? |
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| 18:07.05 | stew | kingk: you can install java after the fact, or companies like dell will ship their machines with it preloaded |
| 18:07.16 | jasz | asg, thank you |
| 18:07.19 | stew | but nowhere on microsoft.com would you find anything related to java |
| 18:07.20 | greycat | jasz: but doing it *without* a printing subsystem would be hard and silly. |
| 18:07.27 | stew | except maybe "transitioning from java to .net" |
| 18:07.29 | jasz | greycat, .. ok.. got it.. |
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| 18:07.50 | asg | stew: that's a phrase I hear in nightmares |
| 18:07.52 | m0rbid | lsmod shows the module loaded (as I just loaded it) along with ac97_codec, soundcore, and gameport. |
| 18:08.09 | udo | jaime_alberto: can you suggest anyE: Type 'ftp://ftp.cica.es/pub/java-linux/' is not known in on line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:08.09 | udo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:08.15 | x1bncwn | alias sound-slot-0 module |
| 18:08.19 | x1bncwn | :P |
| 18:08.19 | ice3tdf | Is there anyway do to QOS with ipmasq on a stock debian kernel? |
| 18:08.36 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: ? |
| 18:08.37 | x1bncwn | modprobe loads all dependent modules |
| 18:08.39 | stew | asg: same here, belive me |
| 18:08.44 | asg | stew: :) |
| 18:08.51 | x1bncwn | thats how i configured my sound pre-alsa |
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| 18:09.07 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: mind taking me thru it? |
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| 18:09.46 | x1bncwn | ok, try this, if it doesnt work, no hard done, can just remove the line |
| 18:09.51 | x1bncwn | harm* |
| 18:10.02 | m0rbid | ok |
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| 18:10.18 | x1bncwn | echo 'alias sounds-lot-0 module ' >> /etc/modutils/arch/i386 |
| 18:10.21 | x1bncwn | er |
| 18:10.25 | x1bncwn | typo, sorry |
| 18:10.31 | x1bncwn | echo 'alias sound-slot-0 module ' >> /etc/modutils/arch/i386 |
| 18:10.39 | m0rbid | replace module with es1371 ? |
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| 18:10.42 | jaime_alberto | udo: add to your sources.list: "deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian sarge non-free" I hope you're using sarge, you can also use sid in that line |
| 18:10.42 | x1bncwn | yes |
| 18:10.52 | dvs | m0rbid: no, snd_es1371 |
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| 18:11.03 | x1bncwn | er, bah module names |
| 18:11.09 | dvs | m0rbid:Are you using ALSA? |
| 18:11.09 | PerfDave | udo: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:11.26 | x1bncwn | didnt look like he was trying to configure alsa |
| 18:11.27 | m0rbid | dvs yes, trying to at elast get it working to when I reboot it doesnt die. |
| 18:11.31 | x1bncwn | if so id just use alsaconf |
| 18:11.39 | dvs | m0rbid: Yeah, then it is snd_es1371 |
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| 18:11.50 | x1bncwn | you can do alsa in that file too |
| 18:12.00 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: thats the problem, alsaconf sees the card, loads the module, sets teh volumes, then dies saying it cant find the card. |
| 18:12.04 | x1bncwn | but iirc its a probeall line that had it work in other distros |
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| 18:12.48 | x1bncwn | m0rbid does it/has it worked at all? |
| 18:13.03 | x1bncwn | like with oss, or possibly another OS or distro, whatever |
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| 18:14.04 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: yeah, it has worked with ALSA, on this box, with this kernel, then I rebooted, all went to hell, tried alsaconf again, it worked, rebooted, now it doesnt, nor wont load again, I purged everything, and grabbed the debs again |
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| 18:14.35 | flankk | my server freezes when trying to load the system logger XD |
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| 18:15.27 | jaime_alberto | offtopic: Where can I find news about the newest coolest games build or ported to run natively in Linux? |
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| 18:15.41 | asg | jaime_alberto: linuxgames.net iirc |
| 18:15.53 | asg | jaime_alberto: or .com |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman | tuxgames ? happypenguin |
| 18:15.57 | Sirius_Black | edon: hi d00d |
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| 18:16.02 | udo | tnx jaime_alberto PerfDave |
| 18:16.04 | m0rbid | I have installed alsa-base, alsa-headers, and alsa-utils, am I missing something perhaps? |
| 18:16.18 | dvs | m0rbid: alsa-headers is not necessary |
| 18:16.34 | m0rbid | modinfo: could not find module snd..is what I get now |
| 18:17.02 | x1bncwn | did you build your own kernel? |
| 18:17.05 | dvs | m0rbid: did you compile the kernel? |
| 18:17.14 | x1bncwn | or perhaps, pondered building your own kernel |
| 18:17.17 | x1bncwn | :P |
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| 18:17.50 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: should I load all the modules in the kernel, I can do so with modconf. |
| 18:17.56 | felipe | x1bncwn my sound wont work |
| 18:17.59 | Occulis | load everything |
| 18:18.04 | jaime_alberto | are still loki games and id the only companies producing/porting games to Linux? |
| 18:18.05 | m0rbid | someone told me I shouldnt if I am using alsaconf |
| 18:18.12 | Occulis | even antiquated modules for MFM drives |
| 18:18.15 | x1bncwn | i just tested mine, heh dumped dmesg to /dev/dsp and i got sound for sure |
| 18:18.22 | dvs | m0rbid: I'd use modprobe |
| 18:18.59 | flankk | so.. how can i start lilo up in failsafe if i don't have a boot menu? |
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| 18:19.07 | x1bncwn | alsaconf probes/searches then edits the configs modules.conf modprobe.conf and load it all afterwards, if you know what modules, you can just load them manually |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | jaime_alberto: no |
| 18:19.22 | felipe | What does it mean: |
| 18:19.24 | m0rbid | spaz:~# modprobe snd_ens1371 | FATAL: Module snd_ens1371 not found. | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ens1371 |
| 18:19.24 | felipe | fatal_: Error inserting snd_cmi8330 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko): No such device |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | jaime_alberto: tuxgames.com and happypenguin.org are good places to strt |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | start |
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| 18:19.48 | x1bncwn | ens? |
| 18:19.51 | dvs | m0rbid: Did you compile the kernel yourself? |
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| 18:20.01 | m0rbid | dvs: no, its an image |
| 18:20.23 | dvs | m0rbid: Did you install the alsa-modules-$(uname -r) package? |
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| 18:20.42 | x1bncwn | 2.6 already has alsa, 2.4 needs the drivers and such |
| 18:20.56 | m0rbid | I have 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:21.00 | udo | how can I upgrade to sarge_ |
| 18:21.02 | dvs | m0rbid: Ok, |
| 18:21.03 | udo | how can I upgrade to sarge_ |
| 18:21.15 | m0rbid | udo: by NOT repeating first of all |
| 18:21.17 | dvs | udo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:21.21 | udo | sorry |
| 18:21.21 | nksen | this removing via /etc/discover.conf does not work at all |
| 18:21.33 | udo | my mistake |
| 18:21.36 | m0rbid | ok |
| 18:21.39 | x1bncwn | m0rbid same kernel i got |
| 18:21.40 | udo | udo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:21.43 | x1bncwn | and the module is there |
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| 18:21.44 | udo | udo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:21.48 | TheArtist | can anyone tell me if mohaa spearhead is playable on linux yet? |
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| 18:21.56 | udo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.57 | x1bncwn | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-ens1371.ko |
| 18:22.07 | m0rbid | x1bncwn: I dont understand what I am doing wrong, perhaps a magical reboot, Ill brb |
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| 18:22.26 | felipe | rebbot didnt work here ;) |
| 18:22.31 | x1bncwn | m0rbid are you using alsaconf? or loading stuff? or editing configs by hand? or what? |
| 18:22.34 | flankk | wtf! it loading the logger after 10 minutes, said couldn't find error log for ssh, logged in as root, now i can't apt-get update because it can't use the lockfile, OMFG it was working 30 minutes ago! |
| 18:22.45 | m0rbid | trying to use alsaconf |
| 18:22.49 | m0rbid | but it stalls |
| 18:22.51 | x1bncwn | and it errors? |
| 18:23.01 | m0rbid | Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {start [CARD]|stop [CARD]|restart [CARD]|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} |
| 18:23.02 | x1bncwn | unload all the sound modules first |
| 18:23.04 | m0rbid | stopd there |
| 18:23.10 | x1bncwn | modprobe -r <name> |
| 18:23.14 | m0rbid | ok |
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| 18:23.33 | felipe | x1bncwn how to know which modules to stop? |
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| 18:23.49 | x1bncwn | all the ones that are related to sound ,heh |
| 18:23.54 | x1bncwn | oss or alsa |
| 18:24.01 | jaime_alberto | ok, I know that discover and hotplug can be installed at the same time but what happens when I plug a new device like an USB one or a pcmcia card will they work fine together? |
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| 18:24.08 | x1bncwn | snd soundcore snd-name snd-sequencer-name etc,etc |
| 18:24.25 | felipe | x1bncwn how to list all modules loaded? |
| 18:24.29 | x1bncwn | lsmod |
| 18:24.38 | felipe | x1bncwn ow ok |
| 18:24.52 | m0rbid | sick, lsmod shows the module, but modprobe -r says it isnt there! |
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| 18:25.03 | x1bncwn | m0rbid try rmmod |
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| 18:25.41 | x1bncwn | what did you type? like modprobe -r snd_ens1371 ? |
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| 18:25.52 | OvrLrd-Q | non-us/security down? |
| 18:26.13 | asg | OvrLrd-Q: and security also |
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| 18:26.25 | jaime_alberto | m0rbid: rmmod all the sound related modules then tail -f /var/log/messages and while checking messages modprobe your sound card module and see what it reports |
| 18:26.31 | OvrLrd-Q | erm . . .i did say security too there asg ;) |
| 18:27.09 | asg | OvrLrd-Q: brainfart on my part |
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| 18:27.22 | felipe | x1bncwn there are like 8 modules snd_* |
| 18:27.56 | m0rbid | ok removed them all.. |
| 18:27.57 | x1bncwn | felipe remove the one for your card name, like snd_ens1371 or whatever, mine was snd_cs46xx |
| 18:27.58 | OvrLrd-Q | wow holy linkspam batman @ debian-faq-wiki |
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| 18:28.12 | asg | OvrLrd-Q: yeah, we've dropped back to using debian-faq instead |
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| 18:28.17 | h2so4 | hi people |
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| 18:28.32 | Occulis | howdy |
| 18:28.40 | h2so4 | I need this file rfc822.h (imap devel files), what is the package on debian to install it ? |
| 18:28.47 | asg | h2so4: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:29.01 | h2so4 | asg: tanks |
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| 18:29.07 | mastertet | hello, I just installed Ubuntu which is based on debian, I wanna install afterstep2 from source. The ./configure is ok but make gives me plenty of mistake. What packages do I need to install a window manager from source? |
| 18:29.09 | jaime_alberto | h2so4: packages.debian.org |
| 18:29.15 | asg | mastertet: #ubuntu please |
| 18:29.37 | h2so4 | can I use apt-cache ? |
| 18:29.46 | asg | h2so4: no, use apt-file |
| 18:29.47 | x1bncwn | felipe did you remove them all? |
| 18:30.02 | mastertet | asg: they don't know... I guess they never install from source... |
| 18:30.24 | felipe | x1bncwn tried modprobe -r snd |
| 18:30.27 | stew | mastertet: /msg dpkg source ; but don't whine to us when it doesn't work |
| 18:30.33 | pipeline | mastertet: Install debian, and then we'll help you out. |
| 18:30.39 | asg | mastertet: well, at a guess, I'd say install the -dev packages for whatever 'mistakes' you see using ./configure |
| 18:30.47 | asg | mastertet: and install 'build-essential' while your at it. |
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| 18:30.52 | Xemacs_ | where are include direcories list in automake ? |
| 18:31.10 | mastertet | thanks asg |
| 18:31.15 | h2so4 | asg apt-file is not in my machine |
| 18:31.19 | asg | h2so4: then install it |
| 18:31.23 | stew | mastertet: why would you want to build from source in the first place? |
| 18:31.34 | asg | h2so4: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search rfc822.h |
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| 18:31.38 | mastertet | afterstep2 is not available as a debian package |
| 18:31.39 | Xemacs_ | gimp plugin not in dest |
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| 18:31.49 | stew | mastertet: ok now you are *really* on your own |
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| 18:32.00 | h2so4 | asg: taks |
| 18:32.07 | h2so4 | tanks |
| 18:32.09 | asg | !info afterstep sarge |
| 18:32.11 | dpkg | afterstep: (window manager with the NEXTSTEP look and feel), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.00.02-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2981 kB, Installed size: 7640 kB |
| 18:32.16 | mastertet | I would install Debian but there still is no security update in Sarge :( |
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| 18:32.28 | stew | mastertet: is there in ubuntu? |
| 18:32.31 | asg | mastertet: there are, they just take 2 to 10 days to filter from sid |
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| 18:33.10 | neo10-CZE | HELLO :-) I am looking for ascii picture - tux.. know anyone, where I find it? |
| 18:33.25 | asg | neo10-CZE: apt-get install cowsay |
| 18:33.43 | neo10-CZE | what is it? |
| 18:33.48 | asg | !cowsay |
| 18:33.48 | dpkg | cowsay is probably a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or at http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him |
| 18:33.49 | stew | !fgi neo10-CZE ascii tux |
| 18:33.50 | dpkg | neo10-CZE: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ascii tux |
| 18:33.52 | mastertet | asg, you are telling me that if I install Sarge, I'll have no more security problem than I would have with Ubuntu? I thought there were no security update in Sarge until it is release... |
| 18:34.24 | asg | mastertet: the security team does not release updates for sarge, only woody and sid. However, sarge gets sid's fixed packages 2 to 10 days after they enter sid. |
| 18:34.31 | felipe | x1bncwn brb |
| 18:34.31 | asg | mastertet: you get security updates, just not as quickly. |
| 18:34.36 | mastertet | :) |
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| 18:34.43 | stew | mastertet: how is running ubuntu more secure? does ubuntu do its own security updates to sarge? |
| 18:34.50 | mastertet | yes |
| 18:34.57 | mastertet | security update for Ubuntu |
| 18:34.59 | stew | mastertet: whats the url? |
| 18:35.14 | mastertet | ... |
| 18:35.17 | asg | stew: thought ubuntu was a freeze of sid at some point + backported fixes. |
| 18:35.26 | stew | asg: i have no idea |
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| 18:35.31 | takatumi | thats what I read as well. |
| 18:35.37 | mastertet | security.ubuntu.com |
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| 18:36.16 | mastertet | How should I proceed to get Sarge, download the latest debian-installer iso? |
| 18:36.21 | asg | stew: never used it. Someone gave me a packaged cd set but it fell down behind my cubicle furniture so cannot be recovered without taking apart the office ;) |
| 18:36.31 | dvs | mastertet: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:36.32 | asg | mastertet: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | WINNER: dvs! |
| 18:37.02 | asg | greycat: by a nose |
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| 18:37.25 | asg | dvs: back office? |
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| 18:37.35 | dvs | asg: body odor |
| 18:37.35 | mastertet | dpkg d-i??? sorry, I don't understand |
| 18:37.35 | dpkg | mastertet: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:37.46 | neo10-CZE | fuck cowsay! |
| 18:37.46 | dvs | mastertet: type that in here |
| 18:37.48 | jaime_alberto | h2so4: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 18:37.59 | asg | neo10-CZE: it will draw an ascii tux, that's what you wanted. |
| 18:38.05 | asg | dvs: I know |
| 18:38.27 | neo10-CZE | asg: it will dray cow only |
| 18:38.31 | asg | neo10-CZE: asg@rob:/tmp/no_exit$ cowsay -f tux blah |
| 18:38.32 | neo10-CZE | draw |
| 18:38.42 | flankk | anyone a video card buff here? i've got a trident TVGA9000B POS, thinking of hooking up a dual monitor, but i have no idea what the capabilities of this card is. |
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| 18:38.51 | asg | neo10-CZE: it will draw stimpy and other shit as well, including a rather nice flaming sheep. |
| 18:38.52 | FieldySnuts | @laugh trident |
| 18:39.00 | FieldySnuts | or not |
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| 18:39.34 | a_monkey | i can't seem to figure out how to use xmodmap to emulate mouse buttons using the keyboard |
| 18:39.40 | a_monkey | can somebody help? |
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| 18:39.41 | flankk | FieldySnuts, think this thing has got enough to show a picture at least? |
| 18:39.45 | neo10-CZE | asg :-) oh good :-) but this tux is small :-) |
| 18:39.56 | chugga | greycat, my isp says they run an apt-get repository. how do i confirm this? |
| 18:39.58 | zAo^ | Who can help me with Kdevelop? I get there is no plugin for editing C++ code installed |
| 18:39.59 | abli | Hi! how can I "eject" a pendrive? I have unmounted it, but the led on the pendrive is still glowing and the manual says it shouldn't be unplugged while the led glows. Under windows if I select 'safely unmount device' the led goes dark. How do I do the same thing under debian? |
| 18:40.11 | asg | neo10-CZE: then google for larger ones |
| 18:40.18 | SlayerXP | abli: umount /path/to/device |
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| 18:40.19 | greycat | chugga: ask 'em. |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | chugga: try using it. |
| 18:40.33 | abli | SlayerXP, I already did that, and the led is still on. |
| 18:40.34 | snail | abli: it should be safe to unmount it |
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| 18:40.39 | dvs | abli: If it's unmounted and there are no errors, it's safe to unplug |
| 18:40.47 | SlayerXP | abli: what dvs said. |
| 18:40.56 | abli | So I should pay attention to the led? |
| 18:40.57 | chugga | greycat, they say they do. i edited my sources.conf file and i dont think it worked. or they dotn have a complete set of mirrors |
| 18:41.04 | dvs | abli: no |
| 18:41.19 | CarlosAlex | My printer is at kde |
| 18:41.19 | abli | When I plug it in, the led starts glowing before I mount it. |
| 18:41.24 | CarlosAlex | but do not print |
| 18:41.31 | x1bncwn | seems like the alsa init script is broken |
| 18:41.39 | abli | I wonder what windows does to it which switches off the led. |
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| 18:42.05 | asg | abli: does it turn off if you remove the kernel modules that support it? |
| 18:42.29 | CarlosAlex | hummm.... I dont know how to check my printer |
| 18:42.33 | abli | I tired "rmmod usb-storage" and its still on. What other module might it use? |
| 18:42.40 | mastertet | Thanks for the info guys, I'll get Sarge right now, sorry for the Ubuntu question, I didn't read the topic of this channel... |
| 18:42.41 | CarlosAlex | It is Deskjet 692C |
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| 18:44.52 | CarlosAlex | hello |
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| 18:44.58 | CarlosAlex | some help to use my printer? |
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| 18:45.25 | stew | mastertet: out of curiosity, are you running warty or hoary |
| 18:45.26 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: tried installing hpoj? |
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| 18:46.36 | kingk | CarlosAlex, Do you have ghostscript? |
| 18:47.09 | CarlosAlex | Not hpoj neither ghostscript |
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| 18:47.59 | kingk | CarlosAlex, You must use ghostscript cause linux prints in postscript, which PC printers cannot use. |
| 18:48.27 | dvs | kingk: Mine does. ;-) |
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| 18:48.49 | mastertet | stew: warty |
| 18:49.12 | kingk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.13 | jaime_alberto | CarlosAlex: www.linuxprinting.org. I suggest you install cups |
| 18:49.26 | dvs | kingk: Yup, LaserJet 1300 |
| 18:49.52 | coachz | how to add nslookup to my sarge ? |
| 18:49.58 | kingk | dvs, cool, lucky you. My printer is cheap, and I havn't figured out how to use ghostscript yet |
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| 18:50.14 | zAo^ | what do I need to install that Kdevelop will nog give me this message "there is no plugin for editing C++ code installed" Thanks in advance |
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| 18:50.41 | greycat | sounds like a #debian-kde question |
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| 18:51.07 | greycat | !nslookup |
| 18:51.11 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | it's a special bot builtin. |
| 18:51.38 | greycat | coachz: it's in dnsutils alongside host and dig, which have been the replacements for nslookup for... oh... half a decade now. |
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| 18:52.07 | m0rbid | heh, now it doesnt even see my soundcard. |
| 18:52.20 | m0rbid | Im gunna install discover, see if that helps at all |
| 18:52.31 | m0rbid | i *HATE* discover |
| 18:52.38 | dvs | m0rbid: You tried hotplug? |
| 18:52.48 | takatumi | m0rbid: no need for discover |
| 18:52.52 | m0rbid | dvs: for a PCI Card? |
| 18:53.18 | coachz | greycat, thank |
| 18:53.33 | m0rbid | alsaconf doesnt see the card, there are no modules loaded now, modconf doesnt even give me soundcard options now. Im all confused at what the f*ck happened. |
| 18:53.38 | dvs | m0rbid: I've heard that it's either hotplug or discover. |
| 18:53.54 | dvs | m0rbid: Why are u using alsaconf? |
| 18:53.57 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 18:54.09 | coachz | greycat, works great, thanks |
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| 18:54.13 | m0rbid | dvs: err, to setup alsa? |
| 18:54.26 | greycat | m0rbid: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 18:54.29 | dvs | m0rbid: Bah! Edit the scripts like the ALSA-Howto says |
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| 18:54.44 | greycat | dvs: *-HOWTO is the major problem with Linux today. |
| 18:55.00 | quittt | !gentoo |
| 18:55.00 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. |
| 18:55.08 | greycat | dvs: why is all of the documentation independently written by half-baked newbie third-party sysadmins who are stumbling along trying to figure it out? |
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| 18:55.36 | kalelme | alguién knows of a tool that is like robodemo of macroamedia but that it works on linux? |
| 18:55.37 | jaime_alberto | greenfly: HOWTOs have always been of great help! |
| 18:55.42 | alejandro_ | when I'm installing something with a script (sudo apt-get instal $* | tee log (next line) mv log $1 ) but when installing xserver-xfree86 I can't select any driver or even crtl+c the operation |
| 18:55.47 | kalelme | somebody knows of a tool that is like robodemo of macroamedia but that it works on linux? |
| 18:55.50 | CarlosAlex | I have cups installed |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | jaime_alberto: only because you've never seen any good documentation to begin with! |
| 18:56.04 | quittt | !yellowtab |
| 18:56.07 | quittt | !beos |
| 18:56.08 | dpkg | i guess beos is a graphical operating system related to unix or non-free, or ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/BeOS/, or personal edition is free, dev tools in a seperate package at previous URL. kaput D.E.D. DEAD. see haiku |
| 18:56.09 | greycat | so yes, the HOWTOs are better than *nothing*, which is what Linux gives you. |
| 18:56.24 | quittt | !qnx |
| 18:56.24 | dpkg | i guess qnx is a hard real-time OS | http://www.qnx.com | microkernel | non-free | POSIX compliant | free as in beer for non-commercial use | player in the field since teh 80s | neutrino is the kernel | momentics is the non-commercial livecd you can install too | voyager is the browser | photon is the microwindowing system | qnx4fs is the ordered-write FS, plan9 style = everything is a file |
| 18:56.28 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: all I did to get my deskjet 990 going was install cups and hpoj. |
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| 18:56.38 | stew | quittt: stop that. /msg the bot |
| 18:57.12 | jaime_alberto | greycat: all I know is that it works |
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| 18:57.21 | takatumi | stew: enjoyed thailand? |
| 18:57.27 | toubsu | what ftp server comes with debian? |
| 18:57.31 | m0rbid | bah, even dpkg says to use discover1 |
| 18:57.31 | uGexe | anyone know if a raid 0 array can be resized without destroying the data? |
| 18:57.32 | greycat | if it worked, you wouldn't have needed the howto. |
| 18:57.42 | greycat | toubsu: whichever you install, or none. |
| 18:57.46 | stew | takatumi: thailand was very nice, but bangkok was a bit, umm, stinky |
| 18:57.54 | mckelveyf | hey, I am looking to share email contacts around the office, I was wondering what people think is the best solution? |
| 18:58.01 | greycat | uGexe: seems pretty unlikely. |
| 18:58.03 | jaime_alberto | greycat: that's what i'm saying, the HOWTO works |
| 18:58.08 | stew | takatumi: the temples in bangkok are wonderful though |
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| 18:58.35 | takatumi | stew: haven't been there yet, it's on the agenda. (some day) |
| 18:58.40 | alejandro_ | i think the lines are ok, but I don't understand why I can't choose any option or even cancel |
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| 18:58.55 | jetscreamer | don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys |
| 18:59.05 | stew | takatumi: if you go chang mai is aparantly not to be missed, but we missed it |
| 18:59.13 | greycat | jetscreamer: yeah! smother them in the cradle! |
| 18:59.34 | CarlosAlex | oh |
| 18:59.39 | CarlosAlex | The printer doesnt work |
| 18:59.48 | takatumi | stew: yeah, heard it's nice. |
| 19:00.01 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: What do you mean by "share e-mail contacts around the office"? |
| 19:00.03 | jetscreamer | my printer only looks good with thick paper.. i need to clean the rollers |
| 19:00.04 | m0rbid | modinfo: could not find module snd .. where the hell is this coming from?? |
| 19:00.21 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# lpstat -a hp692c |
| 19:00.22 | CarlosAlex | hp692c accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 19:00.26 | jetscreamer | snd-*==alsa |
| 19:00.38 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: like address books, i'd like to have a common address book |
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| 19:00.54 | jetscreamer | examine /etc/modules for a typo maybe |
| 19:01.02 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: common to whom? Are you talking about hotdesking? |
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| 19:02.11 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: I am running a small office network, I'd like these emails to be shared to all computers, in a way that can be accessed through Thunderbird |
| 19:02.27 | stijn | jeah |
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| 19:02.35 | greycat | mckelveyf: IMAP |
| 19:02.49 | jetscreamer | configure your smtp server to cc copies ... or imap |
| 19:03.03 | greycat | that should be a no-brainer. |
| 19:03.36 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: You want your e-mail to be shared, or your e-mail address book? |
| 19:03.40 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 19:03.40 | dpkg | i guess mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 19:03.41 | jetscreamer | i can configure the shit out of smtp though |
| 19:04.09 | jetscreamer | a shitless server is good |
| 19:04.12 | mckelveyf | greycat: sorry, i typed that wrong, not emails, but email contacts, addresses around the office |
| 19:04.19 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: LDAP |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | evil. |
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| 19:04.41 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: IIRC, Thunderbird can use an LDAP server to store contacts. You want to look at slapd, the OpenLDAP server, and find lots of documentation online. |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | I don't want the rest of the office to know that I have the address of that Mafia hit man in my contact book! |
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| 19:04.59 | mckelveyf | haha |
| 19:05.28 | CarlosAlex | Maybe if restart my computer, debian will allow me print |
| 19:05.47 | mirak | is it possible to put a comment inside a nash command ? |
| 19:05.47 | jetscreamer | maybe if you adduser user lp lpadmin it might also |
| 19:05.57 | mirak | like it's possible to do in C with /* something */ |
| 19:06.04 | mirak | a bash command |
| 19:06.06 | greycat | mirak: you mean *b*ash? |
| 19:06.06 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: I was thinking about LDAP, it just looks a bit difficult to configure and more like an enterprise app. |
| 19:06.08 | greycat | mirak: no. |
| 19:06.28 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# adduser lp |
| 19:06.28 | CarlosAlex | adduser: The user `lp' already exists. |
| 19:06.28 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# adduser lpadmin |
| 19:06.28 | CarlosAlex | adduser: The group `lpadmin' already exists. |
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| 19:06.31 | greycat | the only type of comments bash can have are delimited by # and \n |
| 19:06.39 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:06.43 | jetscreamer | god |
| 19:06.46 | greycat | jetscreamer: wait for him to come back... |
| 19:06.53 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 19:06.59 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: It's a bit tricky to get your head round at first, but quite easy once you get the hang of it. |
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| 19:07.21 | mirak | greycat: ok |
| 19:07.33 | narker | is it possible to run some webmail with PostFix ? |
| 19:07.40 | greycat | narker: yes. |
| 19:07.43 | Ronin` | narker: or course |
| 19:07.52 | narker | what's a good client? |
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| 19:08.13 | greycat | narker: I use squirrelmail myself. |
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| 19:08.22 | greycat | (not with postfix, but that doesn't *matter*. not at all.) |
| 19:08.26 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# adduser lp |
| 19:08.27 | Ronin` | i use squirrelmail, nice east to config |
| 19:08.29 | CarlosAlex | adduser: The user `lp' already exists. |
| 19:08.31 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.38 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: My problem with LDAP is that I don't exactly understand the whole domain thing. I have a local domain here with hosts mapped to different machines, how do I connect to an LDAP server |
| 19:08.42 | greycat | JEEEEEET! |
| 19:08.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:09.00 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: Just put an LDAP server on your network. |
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| 19:09.37 | CarlosAlex | adduser sander lp |
| 19:09.42 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 19:09.43 | CarlosAlex | Adding user `sander' to group `lp'... |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | mckelveyf: #openldap |
| 19:09.55 | jetscreamer | hit up arrow and add admin |
| 19:10.05 | jetscreamer | to lp |
| 19:10.08 | jetscreamer | and hit enter |
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| 19:10.56 | CarlosAlex | adduser admin lp |
| 19:10.57 | CarlosAlex | adduser: The user `admin' does not exist. |
| 19:11.00 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:11.07 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: and they how to I tell hosts to connect to the LDAP server |
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| 19:11.16 | jetscreamer | did you hit the uparrow like i said? |
| 19:11.18 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: Read your Thunderbird documentation ;) |
| 19:11.24 | Occulis | everyone loves tbird |
| 19:11.33 | Occulis | it's like a golden creature of light and love, except blue. |
| 19:11.43 | jetscreamer | adduser sander lpadmin |
| 19:11.48 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 19:12.03 | greycat | Occulis: but... they're yellow in Heroes of Might and Magic III! |
| 19:12.06 | jetscreamer | i won't think for you again mahman |
| 19:12.09 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, done |
| 19:12.28 | jetscreamer | now if you prointer's set up correctly it should work after you log ont & in |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | greycat: isn't that a phoenix ? |
| 19:12.32 | jetscreamer | out |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | greycat: and they are orange/yellow/red ? |
| 19:12.45 | mckelveyf | PerfDave: Ok, no, I appreciate the help, I just get confused when things don't have IP addresses |
| 19:12.47 | jetscreamer | print |
| 19:12.53 | greycat | abrotman: phoenixes are only in the expansion packs for H3, or in the other games... |
| 19:13.02 | J_P | #/etc/init.d/proftpd start Starting professional ftp daemon: - No certificate files found! What is error ? |
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| 19:13.08 | abrotman | greycat: hmm .. been a while i suppose .. maybe i should dust off my copy :) |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | J_P: ignore it. |
| 19:13.39 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: Uhm, your LDAP server will have an IP address. It can also have a domain name. |
| 19:13.39 | greycat | abrotman: I'd *spend* the friggin' 5 bucks for Cedega if I thought it would have a >99% chance of running the H3 expansions.... |
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| 19:13.50 | greycat | abrotman: but I'm damned if I'm going to pay money to *find out* |
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| 19:14.02 | abrotman | greycat: wine!! |
| 19:14.03 | PerfDave | mckelveyf: If you want to serve domain names on a small local network, look at dnsmasq. |
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| 19:14.26 | abrotman | greycat: i think the Heroes2 ran in wine .. but i don't recall . if you ask me some evening .. i'll get out my copy and check |
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| 19:14.55 | greycat | abrotman: well, I still have a lot of unplayed community-made H3 maps... |
| 19:14.55 | bahamat | hey guys, I'm about to attempt to install debian on an AMD opteron. Does anyone know of any "gotchas" to avoid? |
| 19:15.00 | J_P | greycat: ok, but when i try do ls in ftp i have this message : ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 19:15.11 | greycat | bahamat: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 19:15.13 | Occulis | bahamat: opterons eat a lot of energon cubes. try to keep a stockpile handy. |
| 19:15.17 | J_P | greycat: then isee in /var/log/messages this : Feb 10 16:55:02 jaguar kernel: eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled. |
| 19:15.18 | abrotman | greycat: i do miss playing that game .. but there is a linux version you can still buy |
| 19:15.23 | bahamat | greycat: sweet, thanks |
| 19:15.27 | greycat | J_P: well, those two are not related. |
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| 19:15.39 | Occulis | abrotman: linux v of might and magic iii? sweet! |
| 19:15.39 | greycat | abrotman: I *have* the Linux version. It doesn't have the expansion packs. |
| 19:15.44 | greycat | Occulis: yes. |
| 19:15.44 | Occulis | :O |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. bummer |
| 19:15.50 | abrotman | Occulis: tuxgames.com |
| 19:15.57 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, what about now ? |
| 19:15.58 | Occulis | don't push your propagando onto me |
| 19:16.01 | J_P | greycat: how i get out eth0 as promiscuous ? |
| 19:16.03 | Occulis | i deflect for 9 damage |
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| 19:16.16 | stew | J_P: are you running anything like tcpdump or snort? |
| 19:16.20 | greycat | J_P: stop running tcpdump or ethereal or whatever the fuck you ran that PUT IT INTO that mode. |
| 19:16.20 | jetscreamer | now what |
| 19:16.23 | abrotman | Occulis: http://www.tuxgames.com/details.cgi?nc=1108062970&gameref=13 .. dunno where you can find a copy though |
| 19:16.26 | J_P | stew: not |
| 19:16.28 | greycat | gods. |
| 19:16.36 | J_P | not runnin any tcpdump, ethreal.. |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | J_P: or better yet, pick one problem at a time. |
| 19:16.44 | abrotman | it doesn't get that way by accident |
| 19:16.47 | CarlosAlex | not printing yet |
| 19:16.51 | greycat | your FTP problem is probably active vs. passive vs. NAT |
| 19:16.51 | Occulis | aewsome |
| 19:16.58 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, did you log out and back in? |
| 19:16.59 | bahamat | J_P: snort? ntop? |
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| 19:17.22 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, not yet |
| 19:17.28 | J_P | bahamat: not too |
| 19:17.30 | B^AffL3cK | hello people |
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| 19:17.37 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, you need to for the addgroup to take effect |
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| 19:17.45 | mondalaci | Hi! Somebody knows could I install a whole section of packages? More specifically I want to install all games packages on my Debian box. |
| 19:17.46 | jetscreamer | adduser whatever |
| 19:17.53 | greycat | abrotman: rumor has it, there are copies of it on some of the file sharing networks |
| 19:18.14 | jetscreamer | mondalaci, easy with a package manager.. but you might not really want * |
| 19:18.15 | B^AffL3cK | excuse me who can he help me??? |
| 19:18.18 | greycat | since Loki's out of business, and 3DO is out of business, and NWC is out of business, who's going to profit from selling it anyway? |
| 19:18.29 | jetscreamer | nobody ben what's the matter |
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| 19:18.46 | CarlosAlex | restart the system, or just log out ?? jetscreamer |
| 19:18.46 | greycat | !tell B^AffL3cK about ask |
| 19:18.57 | juhov | b^affl3ck: nobody until you tell everything about your problem |
| 19:19.08 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, what part of log out and log back in dude... where does it say restart in there |
| 19:19.09 | PerfDave | Is parted just a heap of shit, or what? It can't resize a fucking ext2 partition. |
| 19:19.10 | directhex | greycat, the hard-working developers? |
| 19:19.36 | CarlosAlex | I will logout |
| 19:19.38 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, i wasn't impressed with qtparted, if that helps |
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| 19:19.42 | greycat | directhex: which developers? the ones that were all laid off when the company that made it folded? |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | greycat: dunno .. never looked |
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| 19:19.47 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: What do you use to resize partitions? |
| 19:19.49 | mondalaci | jetscreamer, how do you mean that I might not really want. That's exactly what I want. |
| 19:19.53 | abrotman | greycat: didn't atari buy that line? |
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| 19:19.57 | directhex | greycat, yeah, them |
| 19:20.00 | greycat | abrotman: no, Ubisoft |
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| 19:20.27 | B^AffL3cK | i don't understand |
| 19:20.34 | stew | that one might actually overload the nickometer |
| 19:20.37 | greycat | !tell B^AffL3cK about ask |
| 19:21.15 | jetscreamer | mondalaci, well ok i told you, use a package manager... i prefer dselect myself.. all you have to do is highlight the 'games' header and select with + .. it will select * games |
| 19:21.17 | aokaze | question. I have an IDE removable HD tray thats supose to be hot swap. If the drive wasnt read by bios during startup is it just ok to just pop in the tray and lock it then mount the drive? |
| 19:21.35 | jetscreamer | synaptic or aptitude are the usually recommended package managers though |
| 19:22.03 | Rawplayer | can anyone read tcpdump ? |
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| 19:22.14 | mondalaci | jetscreamer: synaptic or aptitude are unable to do this task? |
| 19:22.21 | mckelveyf | PerDave: |
| 19:22.30 | jetscreamer | aokaze, i know nothing but there are modules and packages yu need to be installed afaik |
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| 19:22.40 | jetscreamer | mondalaci, i never said that i said i prefer dselect |
| 19:22.45 | mckelveyf | PerDave: Thanks, I think i can figure this thing out, I just wanted to know what people thought |
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| 19:22.47 | mckelveyf | thanks to all |
| 19:23.07 | jetscreamer | s/that/that,/ |
| 19:23.31 | mondalaci | jetscreamer: thanks for the info very much! |
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| 19:23.44 | ircdevil | i need to burn an audio cd from a mp3 file. it is not going well? i am trying mpg321 --cdr file.mp3 | cdrecord -audio dev=/dev/hdc but noooo |
| 19:23.55 | greycat | surely you should decode it first. |
| 19:24.08 | Occulis | doesn't mpg321 decode it |
| 19:24.24 | FieldySnuts | if you've got kde, k3b makes the task much easier |
| 19:24.28 | greycat | does "cdrecord -audio" accept a CDR format stream on stdin, or does it want a *file*? |
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| 19:24.41 | Occulis | k3b is the fat kitty on the block |
| 19:24.43 | jetscreamer | you don't have to have kde to have k3b |
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| 19:25.05 | jetscreamer | which is good |
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| 19:25.23 | ircdevil | greycat: i grabbed that comment from steuner (i think) a year ago, but never testet it. |
| 19:25.31 | loocek | hi! what rule I should set in iptables to connect with one side only ?? |
| 19:25.31 | Glitch_Master | My microphone input doesn't seem to be working... |
| 19:25.31 | ircdevil | s/comment/command/ |
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| 19:25.48 | jetscreamer | mic vol is 0 by default iirc |
| 19:25.51 | FieldySnuts | loocek: wenas HELP ME!! who uses dvd !! lol lol |
| 19:26.00 | Glitch_Master | Yes, but I unmuted and turned it up in several mixers. |
| 19:26.04 | Occulis | :O |
| 19:26.08 | Glitch_Master | It worked on a previous boot... I don't understand it... |
| 19:26.10 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 19:26.21 | loocek | FieldySnuts: what ???? |
| 19:26.28 | jetscreamer | my volumes always get reset on reboot |
| 19:26.31 | Glitch_Master | Scary words. ._. |
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| 19:26.42 | Glitch_Master | You need to configure your mixer to save settings, jet. |
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| 19:27.03 | FieldySnuts | <troll>I keep running out of RAM and swap. I've got my swap on a ramfs partition.</troll> |
| 19:27.07 | jetscreamer | gmix seems to have been compiled wrong for debian... there are features missing |
| 19:27.07 | else | ipod is listed in dmesg (ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[1-00:1023] GUID[000a2700021b73b5] ieee1394: Node changed: 1-00:1023 -> 1-01:1023) but isn't listed in /proc/scsi/scsi, what can i do? |
| 19:27.22 | Glitch_Master | jetscreamer: Talk to somebody with your mixer... I'm new to Debian... well... to any Linux, and I'm bad at remembering details, but that's likely to be the cause. |
| 19:27.22 | CarlosAlex | To make this printer work in slack, was easier then debian |
| 19:27.37 | Glitch_Master | than% |
| 19:27.40 | Glitch_Master | ^* |
| 19:28.17 | drac | CarlosAlex: Thank you for that amazingly useless news. |
| 19:28.30 | seberino_ | Not sure why firewall forcing everyone to use local DNS server is more secure. Anyone know why this is more secure than allowing use of foreign dns server? |
| 19:28.46 | CarlosAlex | thats true |
| 19:28.58 | CarlosAlex | Im trying more than 40minutes |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | dns poisoning |
| 19:29.00 | CarlosAlex | didnt get it |
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| 19:29.36 | Glitch_Master | No thoughts on the mic problem? |
| 19:29.54 | fflush | how do I check the limit of pts the kernel allows ? |
| 19:29.59 | fflush | is there such limit ? |
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| 19:30.07 | greycat | fflush: look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:30.19 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Hit your computer a few times to shake all the data down to the bottom of memory, that should free up some more RAM. |
| 19:30.33 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:31.03 | paulswm | :D |
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| 19:31.09 | CarlosAlex | eheheh |
| 19:31.12 | CarlosAlex | snif |
| 19:31.15 | CarlosAlex | how to? |
| 19:31.17 | seberino_ | abrotman: iirc, the danger of using a rogue dns server is transparent proxying...but everyone should be using ssh and ssl anyways right so no biggie? |
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| 19:31.56 | abrotman | seberino_: well .. that's up to you .. |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | seberino_: i just pointed out one very bad possibility |
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| 19:32.45 | CarlosAlex | The printer is showed |
| 19:32.48 | CarlosAlex | but do not print |
| 19:33.21 | seberino_ | abrotman: *and*, if I use dns server of my ISP, since their reputations depends on it, we can assume they won't have hackable, poorly designed dns servers right? |
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| 19:33.27 | Glitch_Master | Um... Pathetic question here for fellow GNOME users: How does one add a submenu to the "Applications" Menu? |
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| 19:34.13 | drasko | How to make boot.log tha would write all those messages i see at the boot time? |
| 19:34.32 | dvs | drasko: less /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:34.54 | abrotman | seberino_: you should try comcast dns .. it blows .. very much |
| 19:34.55 | drasko | just a minute |
| 19:35.05 | HelmutG | hi. i'm looking for a software to maintain a mobile ad-hoc network (wifi). it should also have ad-hoc routing like mobilemesh. other than mobilemesh it should not only perhaps run on linux2.3 but on 2.6. |
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| 19:36.12 | a_monkey | can anybody help me figure out how to use xmodmap to emulate mouse buttons that my mouse doesn't have using the keyboard? |
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| 19:36.29 | seberino_ | abrotman: blows? |
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| 19:36.35 | fflush | greycat: thanks |
| 19:36.43 | fflush | can this be set using sysctl ? |
| 19:36.43 | abrotman | seberino_: they have issues .. thier dns gets flaky sometimes |
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| 19:36.55 | drasko | dvs, nope, that's not what was written on the screen. I want exact form |
| 19:37.07 | seberino_ | abrotman: oh, i see, sounds like everyone should at least use a caching nameserver then |
| 19:37.07 | ircdevil | hmmm, i think i am burning now |
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| 19:37.12 | Glitch_Master | Hmm... it seems that one can only add non-system menus to GNOME panels... |
| 19:37.14 | fflush | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 |
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| 19:37.44 | HelmutG | how to manage mobile ad-hoc networks? |
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| 19:38.02 | stew | Glitch_Master: #gnome or #gnome-debian or irc.gnome.org |
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| 19:38.29 | Glitch_Master | Stew: Don't worry about it. I've already taken care of this. |
| 19:38.45 | stew | what me worry? |
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| 19:39.23 | else | ipod is listed in dmesg (ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[1-00:1023] GUID[000a2700021b73b5] ieee1394: Node changed: 1-00:1023 -> 1-01:1023) but isn't listed in /proc/scsi/scsi, what can i do? |
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| 19:40.24 | m0rbid | heh, somehow a module got loaded, or is being called, called 'snd' But I do not see it in any conf file or in lsmod. |
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| 19:40.45 | abrotman | m0rbid: you're using discover? |
| 19:40.49 | m0rbid | and that pops up when I run alsaconf. |
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| 19:40.53 | m0rbid | abrotman: tried that too |
| 19:40.56 | greycat | if it's not in lsmod, it's not loaded. |
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| 19:41.15 | m0rbid | greycat: when I run alsaconf I get those errors. |
| 19:41.19 | abrotman | m0rbid: no .. i'm telling you .. that if lsmod sees it .. and oyu didn't explicitly load it .. discover and/or modprobe did |
| 19:41.25 | a_monkey | i just installed debian on my emac. as you know, apple mice only come with a left-mouse button. what key, by default, emulated the right mouse button? |
| 19:41.37 | a_monkey | *emulates |
| 19:41.37 | m0rbid | abrotman: lsmod doesbt list it |
| 19:41.38 | greycat | abrotman: or it was a dependency of something else |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | greycat: that's why i said modprobe |
| 19:41.59 | abrotman | m0rbid: than it's not loaded |
| 19:42.00 | drasko | I was wondwring - how to see al those messages at the boot time? |
| 19:42.06 | asg | drasko: dmesg |
| 19:42.08 | HelmutG | do you know a channel for discussing ideas for new projects (i.e. how to make sure not to reinvent the wheel ;)? |
| 19:42.09 | drasko | boot.log -where is it? |
| 19:42.16 | dvs | asg: He says that's not it |
| 19:42.18 | asg | drasko: in /var/log |
| 19:42.23 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, shift+numlock enables keypad mouse control |
| 19:42.24 | asg | drasko: only if you have bootlogd enabled though |
| 19:42.29 | m0rbid | spaz:/home/m0rbid# alsaconf |
| 19:42.31 | m0rbid | modinfo: could not find module snd |
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| 19:42.35 | m0rbid | ? |
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| 19:42.36 | chealer | HelmutG: depends what kind of project, of course |
| 19:42.36 | drasko | asg: it' s enebled |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | so load it? |
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| 19:42.43 | takatumi | drasko: have a look at /etc/default/bootlogd as well |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | m0rbid: modprobe snd |
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| 19:43.04 | m0rbid | FATAL: Module snd not found. |
| 19:43.07 | drasko | takatumi: nope. justa minute |
| 19:43.08 | HelmutG | chealer: a secure, usable, easy to use mobile ad-hoc routing and vpn software. |
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| 19:43.22 | a_monkey | jetscreamer: my keyboard doesn't have a numlock key |
| 19:43.23 | jcb | what can cause this time out on my ethernet interface that is connected to a adsl modem (NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out)? |
| 19:43.25 | dvs | m0rbid: And you didn't compile this kernel? |
| 19:43.28 | abrotman | m0rbid: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 19:43.32 | m0rbid | dvs: nope |
| 19:43.32 | drasko | # Run bootlogd at startup ? |
| 19:43.32 | drasko | BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No |
| 19:43.40 | abrotman | m0rbid: uname -r |
| 19:43.42 | m0rbid | dvs: its a debian kernel image |
| 19:43.42 | asg | drasko: then change that to Yes |
| 19:43.44 | zinx | jcb: the most common cause is a crappy NIC (i.e., RealTek) |
| 19:43.44 | greycat | jcb: usually it's caused by having a crappy NIC, like an rtl 8139 |
| 19:43.51 | m0rbid | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:43.52 | greycat | zinx: :) |
| 19:43.54 | drasko | ok, will try |
| 19:43.54 | jcb | hehe |
| 19:44.00 | dvs | m0rbid: grep /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep SND_ |
| 19:44.06 | abrotman | m0rbid: then you've done something wrong .. or the kernel packagers have |
| 19:44.08 | dvs | m0rbid: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep SND_ |
| 19:44.15 | drasko | asg: but there already are some things written in dmsg |
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| 19:44.20 | abrotman | dvs: uuoc |
| 19:44.24 | abrotman | see . i'm learning!! |
| 19:44.28 | dvs | huh? |
| 19:44.32 | asg | drasko: dmesg is the kernel boot log, bootlogd logs init.d scripts |
| 19:44.36 | abrotman | dvs: /msg dpkg uuoc :) |
| 19:44.40 | jcb | greycat or zinx: could it help if i force it to be 10mbit, so it doesnt need to negotiate? |
| 19:44.44 | m0rbid | dvs: a bunch of shit listed. |
| 19:44.47 | zinx | jcb: probably not |
| 19:44.52 | drasko | asg: only, they are not in exact form as the messages I see on the screen |
| 19:44.56 | dvs | bah! |
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| 19:45.04 | greycat | jcb: mostly, you just ignore that unless it's causing other problems |
| 19:45.10 | abrotman | dvs: funny .. haha :) |
| 19:45.13 | takatumi | drasko: it will be logged to /var/log/boot |
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| 19:45.30 | abrotman | dvs: sorry |
| 19:45.43 | dvs | abrotman: That's alright. I'm just use to doing it that way. |
| 19:45.44 | m0rbid | I am in total awe here, I dont know what went wrong, or even begin to fix it |
| 19:45.50 | abrotman | dvs: i nkow .. me too |
| 19:45.59 | abrotman | m0rbid: try going back a kernel maybe? |
| 19:46.00 | drasko | takatumi: thanks a lot! I will reboot... |
| 19:46.06 | abrotman | m0rbid: lsmod show anything at all? |
| 19:46.34 | m0rbid | abrotman: nothing for sound, I removed them all |
| 19:46.39 | jcb | greycat: i think ill buy a better card. can u recommend a model or brand? |
| 19:46.52 | abrotman | m0rbid: anything at all/ |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:46.56 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:47.07 | m0rbid | abrotman: nope, not for sound, snd, or es .. |
| 19:47.18 | Evon150 | snap |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | m0rbid: does it show ANY modules? |
| 19:47.31 | dvs | m0rbid: grep CONFIG_SND= /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:47.32 | m0rbid | abrotman: oh yah, sorry |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | m0rbid: a single one .. any of them .. anything at all |
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| 19:47.55 | m0rbid | dvs: CONFIG_SND=m |
| 19:48.16 | dvs | Hmmmm... |
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| 19:48.52 | m0rbid | how do I remove the kernel-image and reinstall it? |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | m0rbid: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko |
| 19:49.01 | abrotman | errr .. shit |
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| 19:49.03 | abrotman | m0rbid: moment |
| 19:49.04 | drac | m0rbid: depmod -ae && modprobe snd |
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| 19:49.10 | dvs | m0rbid: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image... |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | m0rbid: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko |
| 19:49.21 | lopuz | is it possible to boot from a zip drive? |
| 19:49.34 | dvs | m0rbid: But do abrotman stuff first ;-) |
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| 19:50.12 | abrotman | m0rbid: and i mean that .. just like i typed it .. the second time :) |
| 19:50.18 | B^AffL3cK | i too have a problem with kernel |
| 19:50.24 | abrotman | lopuz: yes .. i think |
| 19:50.33 | m0rbid | abrotman: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko: No such file or directory |
| 19:50.38 | Buck1 | I have a problem with XFree86 |
| 19:50.43 | abrotman | m0rbid: do you even have that directory ? |
| 19:50.43 | lopuz | abrotman: any idea how, or where i can find documentation? |
| 19:50.46 | chealer | I have a problem with debian |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | lopuz: not really .. i've never done it .. but i seem to recall it's possible |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | ok .. if you've a problem .. just ask |
| 19:51.20 | abrotman | (and not directly at me) |
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| 19:51.32 | m0rbid | abrotman: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/core shows results. |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | m0rbid: but no snd.ko ... |
| 19:51.42 | Buck1 | Anyone know how to get rid of "Screens found, but none have usable configuration?" |
| 19:51.43 | dobby_ | where can i find the keycodes for a swiss german keyboard?? |
| 19:51.48 | m0rbid | abrotman: oss and seq dirs |
| 19:51.48 | CarlosAlex | please, give me the way to use my printer |
| 19:51.49 | CarlosAlex | please |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | m0rbid: and that's it? |
| 19:51.54 | dvs | m0rbid: find /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 -name 'snd.ko' |
| 19:51.59 | m0rbid | abrotman: yes |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | m0rbid: that's so broken |
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| 19:52.11 | abrotman | m0rbid: /j #flood |
| 19:52.22 | m0rbid | dvs: returns nothing |
| 19:52.25 | m0rbid | abrotman: ok |
| 19:52.49 | abrotman | m0rbid: see .. you're missing stuff :) |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | m0rbid: oss and seq are dirs .. but you're missing all the good stuff |
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| 19:53.13 | old-man-walking | hi |
| 19:53.16 | lopuz | well. Can i install debian without a cdrom and a floppy drive? i have linux installed on the machine from before |
| 19:53.19 | m0rbid | abrotman: Lemme try to reconfig the kernel-image first, amybe thatll fix some shit. |
| 19:53.24 | greycat | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:53.25 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 19:53.56 | takatumi | lopuz: google for debootstrap |
| 19:54.02 | lopuz | got it |
| 19:54.06 | lopuz | ! |
| 19:54.15 | Buck1 | Anyone know how to get rid of "Screens found, but none have usable configuration?" |
| 19:54.21 | abrotman | m0rbid: you mean reinstall it |
| 19:54.25 | old-man-walking | ähm.. what must i write into lilo.conf after kernelupdate to 2.4 |
| 19:54.32 | old-man-walking | initrd = somthing.. |
| 19:54.37 | m0rbid | abrotman: yeah ;) |
| 19:54.43 | greycat | he's BACK? |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | m0rbid: what kind of CPU? |
| 19:54.50 | old-man-walking | graycat |
| 19:54.55 | m0rbid | intird=/initrd.img |
| 19:54.58 | greycat | Fucking dynamic IP addresses. |
| 19:55.03 | old-man-walking | wait |
| 19:55.06 | old-man-walking | im using debian |
| 19:55.08 | m0rbid | abrotman: 233 Intel (be easy on me) |
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| 19:55.19 | abrotman | m0rbid: PII or PIMMX ? |
| 19:55.23 | m0rbid | MMX |
| 19:55.26 | abrotman | ewwww ... |
| 19:55.27 | igraltist | buck search for EE in ur /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 19:55.46 | Buck1 | Yeah i seen it |
| 19:55.57 | igraltist | and what its says? |
| 19:56.00 | m0rbid | yah I know. |
| 19:56.19 | Buck1 | (EE) VESA (0): No matching Modes |
| 19:56.56 | Buck1 | (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvahw.a |
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| 19:57.07 | old-man-walking | m0rbid thats what i have, but i hade a breake by the "=" |
| 19:57.08 | igraltist | than mayby you will youse 32 bit colordept but vesa supported not so much |
| 19:57.24 | old-man-walking | initrd.img exists.. |
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| 19:57.37 | lopuz | takatumi: can i download the debian kernel image and fix the rest from there? |
| 19:57.37 | old-man-walking | now i traing without the breaks.. |
| 19:57.44 | Buck1 | I have chosed 24 |
| 19:57.45 | lopuz | and just boot it from lilo? |
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| 19:57.48 | Buck1 | *chosen |
| 19:57.49 | B^AffL3cK | shit, i must reinstall debian fourt time |
| 19:58.01 | m0rbid | old-man-walking: As a reminder, in order to configure LILO, you need |
| 19:58.02 | m0rbid | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.02 | m0rbid | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.10 | m0rbid | ;) |
| 19:58.15 | igraltist | buck try 16 bit mayby |
| 19:58.17 | m0rbid | sorry for the flood |
| 19:58.20 | B^AffL3cK | hey |
| 19:58.22 | greycat | m0rbid: he left. |
| 19:58.27 | m0rbid | ahhh |
| 19:58.29 | m0rbid | oh well |
| 19:58.41 | B^AffL3cK | can i install debian with ipv6 module enabled?? |
| 19:58.44 | m0rbid | rebooting, brb |
| 19:58.53 | Buck1 | Also it says: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration. |
| 19:58.57 | takatumi | lopuz: no |
| 19:58.58 | scorphus | thanks guys! |
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| 19:59.04 | Buck1 | Fatal server error: |
| 19:59.10 | Buck1 | No screens found. |
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| 19:59.31 | greycat | !noscreensfound |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
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| 19:59.49 | B^AffL3cK | !ipv6 |
| 19:59.49 | dpkg | ipv6 is, like, at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6* |
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| 20:00.43 | noid2 | . |
| 20:00.51 | stew | B^AffL3cK: which release of debian are you installing |
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| 20:01.23 | noid2 | does anyone here know of any open source email invoicing applications ? |
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| 20:01.40 | B^AffL3cK | i'm installing 3.0 r4 |
| 20:01.49 | stew | noid2: mutt :) |
| 20:01.51 | Flimzy | Are there any tools that can accurately determine the exact length of an audio file, to the fraction of a second? I'm particularly interested in MP3 and OGG files, but would also like this capability for other less common file formats such as .ra, .wma, etc. |
| 20:01.53 | takatumi | lopuz: debootstrap will do all of the required steps for you, you'll need to install a kernel-image and bootloader after the base install is done. |
| 20:02.12 | noid2 | stew: thanks ill look into it |
| 20:02.20 | B^AffL3cK | stew: i'm installing debian 3.0 r4 |
| 20:02.27 | kingk | what the heck is all this java licensee crap goin on |
| 20:02.28 | greycat | Flimzy: ogginfo, for the .ogg side. |
| 20:02.30 | stew | noid2: that was a joke |
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| 20:03.01 | noid2 | stew: yeah ...iwas like wtf |
| 20:03.09 | Buck1 | Does Debian have a forum or somethin? |
| 20:03.10 | noid2 | stew: when i googled it |
| 20:03.11 | Buck1 | *something |
| 20:03.13 | MrRagga | there is a text file with 5 column, each contains integer values, how can i count how many values are in column 3 |
| 20:03.15 | stego | Which script is executed when kdm starts? ~/.xsession doesn't seem to have any effect. |
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| 20:03.34 | stew | B^AffL3cK: i dunno about ipv6 support in 3.0 i'm sure someone else does though |
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| 20:03.37 | greycat | MrRagga: ... | awk '{print $3}' | sort | uniq -c |
| 20:03.39 | Flimzy | greycat: cool, that looks good. |
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| 20:04.42 | cahoot | Flimzy: ecatools/ecalength for the others possibly |
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| 20:05.19 | m0rbid | oh my god |
| 20:05.20 | MrRagga | green_earz: awk '{print $3}' test | sort | uniq -c if test is the file ? |
| 20:05.24 | m0rbid | IT WORKS! |
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| 20:05.32 | MrRagga | greycat: does not work, i tried |
| 20:05.35 | Flimzy | cahoot: Is that part of a larger package? |
| 20:05.40 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 20:05.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:05.45 | m0rbid | yeahhhh, thx greycat abrotman dvs |
| 20:05.50 | m0rbid | =)~ |
| 20:06.08 | dvs | m0rbid: np... for what? ;-) |
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| 20:06.27 | m0rbid | alsa works now, somehow I mustah broke the kernel-image |
| 20:06.29 | kentpaul | i was a bit dissapointed when i finished installing my debian 3 .It came with Xfree 4.1 that didnt support my radeon 9800 pro but it also didnt have a driver for my nvidia mcp network card :( |
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| 20:06.43 | greycat | imadev:~$ echo -e '1 2 3 4 5\n6 7 8 9 10\n1 2 8 9 0\n1 2 8 8 8\n1 1 1 1 1' > test |
| 20:06.46 | greycat | imadev:~$ awk '{print $3}' test | sort | uniq -c |
| 20:06.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.01 | chealer | kentpaul: woody's old. unlike sarge |
| 20:07.03 | greycat | one 1, one 3, and three 8s. |
| 20:07.19 | MrRagga | greycat: http://paste.phpfi.com/50478 |
| 20:07.37 | B^AffL3cK | stew: before i have installed debian and i have compiled kernel but after i have found eth0 not configurated |
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| 20:07.42 | r3v | kentpaul: don't use 3.0 |
| 20:07.47 | greycat | MrRagga: those results look correct to me. you have nine 1s, one 3, and one 9 in the third column. |
| 20:07.51 | kentpaul | ah |
| 20:07.54 | valdyn | !woody |
| 20:07.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 20:08.13 | m0rbid | in xmms is it better to use software volume control, or let it adjust the PCM levels? |
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| 20:08.24 | MrRagga | greycat: ok than maybe u missunderstand me, if there is 1 2 3 4 in the third column the result will be 4 |
| 20:08.42 | greycat | MrRagga: | wc -l |
| 20:08.54 | kentpaul | will sarge support my nvidia mcp ? |
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| 20:09.04 | m0rbid | nm |
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| 20:09.08 | quittttttttttttt | hi!!!! |
| 20:09.10 | r3v | kentpaul: proally |
| 20:09.12 | quittttttttttttt | how are you?? |
| 20:09.14 | greycat | your 't' key is stuck. |
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| 20:09.22 | stew | B^AffL3cK: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:09.22 | chealer | kentpaul: nvidia mcp...what's that again? |
| 20:09.23 | gusto | quittttttttttttt shit |
| 20:09.31 | Buck1 | I am stuck D: |
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| 20:09.34 | gusto | :) |
| 20:09.36 | MrRagga | greycat: thx |
| 20:09.38 | quittttttttttttt | gusto shit?? |
| 20:09.42 | B^AffL3cK | ok |
| 20:09.43 | kentpaul | it's what the nforce2 chipset mobos have as the built in network card |
| 20:09.43 | m0rbid | the elitness of dynamic IP's |
| 20:09.54 | chealer | kentpaul: then yes |
| 20:09.55 | MrRagga | greycat: [jonas@TuxM jonas]$ awk '{print $3}' test | sort | uniq -c | wc -l |
| 20:09.56 | MrRagga | 3 |
| 20:09.57 | gusto | quittttttttttttt your nick is shit - change it |
| 20:10.06 | xenoduck | kentpaul: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 20:10.07 | gusto | :) |
| 20:10.08 | kentpaul | cool :) |
| 20:10.09 | greycat | MrRagga: which is what you want, right? |
| 20:10.12 | quittttttttttttt | gusto no |
| 20:10.12 | asuffield | kenboo: it is a crap network device anyway. put a real card in it |
| 20:10.15 | MrRagga | but it must be more than 3 -> 10 |
| 20:10.17 | asuffield | s/kenboo/kentpaul/ |
| 20:10.24 | chealer | !nickometer quittttttttttttt |
| 20:10.25 | dpkg | 'quittttttttttttt' is 0.000% lame, chealer |
| 20:10.27 | drasko | tatakumi: rebooted, no log yet |
| 20:10.28 | greycat | MrRagga: there are only 3 *unique* values in column 3. |
| 20:10.33 | kentpaul | yep, but i dont have another card at hand :) |
| 20:10.33 | chealer | someone has to fix dpkg |
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| 20:10.42 | asuffield | kentpaul: oh come on, they cost nothing |
| 20:10.51 | MrRagga | greycat: no i want all of them, sorry |
| 20:11.04 | chealer | kentpaul: it works well, just install sarge for desktop use |
| 20:11.05 | greycat | MrRagga: then you don't fucking CARE what's in column 3. you just want the number of lines. |
| 20:11.08 | drasko | tatakumi: there isn't boot in /var/log |
| 20:11.08 | greycat | MrRagga: wc -l < test |
| 20:11.21 | asuffield | and the nvidia card is *really* awful. slow and wobbly |
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| 20:11.53 | drasko | ayone - how to get boot log. Where is it saved - in exact form as I see it on the screen? |
| 20:12.01 | drasko | anyon |
| 20:12.07 | drasko | e :) |
| 20:12.08 | greycat | drasko: by default it isn't saved at all. |
| 20:12.10 | takatumi | drasko: that's all I did to get it to log. is /var/log/boot there? |
| 20:12.11 | chealer | asuffield: any source for that? |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | m0rbid: does it work now? |
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| 20:12.25 | drasko | takatumi: no |
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| 20:12.28 | greycat | drasko: in sarge (NOT woody), you can enable one by editing /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 20:12.29 | asuffield | chealer: observation. I've got one right here. they are very bad. |
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| 20:12.43 | jacobo | I'm unable to apt-get xawdecode with Sarge. anyone else having the same problem? |
| 20:12.45 | takatumi | greycat: he says he changed it to "YES" |
| 20:12.48 | MrRagga | greycat: yeah, but only for column 3 ;) sorry for annoying you, but i just try to help out a friend in his exam! we speak via talk ;) |
| 20:12.50 | greycat | takatumi: did he reboot? :) |
| 20:12.53 | chealer | asuffield: I've got one too. didn't realize what you said except before forcedeth |
| 20:13.01 | drasko | greycat: I edited file and enabled bootlogd |
| 20:13.01 | takatumi | greycat: said he did that too. |
| 20:13.04 | greycat | MrRagga: that makes NO sense. |
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| 20:13.18 | greycat | MrRagga: are you trying to just ignore all the lines that have FEWER than three columns? |
| 20:13.21 | chealer | asuffield: I couldn't notice if it was slow since it's 100Mbit though |
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| 20:13.36 | MrRagga | greycat: i got it, i just get rid of the uniq statement |
| 20:13.46 | drasko | takatumi: after booting it said that it stopped bootlogd, and then i logged in |
| 20:13.48 | greycat | MrRagga: whatever. fucking idiots. |
| 20:13.57 | asuffield | it's so bad that asus add a second network device to all their nforce2 boards, just so you don't have to use the blasted thing (the secondary one is a proper 3com) |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | I hope your professor flunks you for cheating on your test. |
| 20:14.01 | drasko | takatumi: so, bootlogd was running |
| 20:14.13 | MrRagga | another question is howto to z=(x+y)squarred in a bash script ;) |
| 20:14.15 | takatumi | drasko: yup, that is the right sequence on my boot too. |
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| 20:14.20 | drasko | takatumi: but there is not boot in /var/log |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | MrRagga: bc |
| 20:14.25 | orfeu | what is the package for java in fire fox ? |
| 20:14.25 | chealer | asuffield: I agree that's a good point :) |
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| 20:14.31 | greycat | orfeu: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:14.39 | chealer | orfeu: none |
| 20:14.45 | MrRagga | greycat: bc ? |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | chealer: unless he builds one. |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | MrRagga: *PLONK* |
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| 20:15.03 | chealer | orfeu: you can install with FF plugin finder though |
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| 20:15.08 | orfeu | i need java run time where it is ! :) |
| 20:15.14 | greycat | orfeu: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:15.26 | gothtec | orfeu: well nobody's going to move it |
| 20:15.33 | gothtec | orfeu: so i guess you're safe |
| 20:15.51 | orfeu | oky thanks |
| 20:15.52 | gothtec | damn i hate bad grammar |
| 20:15.58 | kingk | would someone kindly explain this java business to me please. I download java_package.deb, and then what? |
| 20:16.04 | drasko | takatumi: does it have to do something with /etc/syslog? |
| 20:16.13 | greycat | kingk: /msg dpkg java |
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| 20:16.23 | PerfDave | kingk: Don't do it, it's a heap of arse ;) |
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| 20:16.35 | LSorensen | kingk: then man make-jpkg, and go to www.sun.com and find the linux java j2re and j2sdk for x86 linux (in .bin format) and ask make-jpkg to play with them |
| 20:17.05 | stew | kingk: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:17.08 | kingk | PerfDave, Haha, what are you saying? |
| 20:17.39 | drasko | greycat: Where to search for the file after the boot - whats the exact name of the boot log in /var/log? |
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| 20:17.53 | kentpaul | If i use the nt bootloader do i still need lilo ? |
| 20:17.59 | greycat | drasko: wouldn't it be, like, *obvious*? |
| 20:18.03 | kingk | And so when I install that Java, then I will have a full feature web browser? |
| 20:18.18 | PerfDave | kingk: I'm saying that Java is a pile of arse, with a stupid license. |
| 20:18.26 | paulswm | !beer PerfDave |
| 20:18.34 | greycat | kingk: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:18.48 | kingk | PerfDave, All this licensee crap is such a headache |
| 20:19.06 | drasko | greycat: it's so *obvious* but I can't see it. Do you know EXACT name? |
| 20:19.12 | PerfDave | kingk: Exactly, much better IMNSHO to just fuck it all in the bin and go to real websites. |
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| 20:19.31 | greycat | drasko: "boot" |
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| 20:20.00 | drasko | greycat: thanks. No such file. Should maybe I create it before rebooting? |
| 20:20.02 | kingk | PerfDave, What about movie trailers? I can't play them. Well they play with sound way too fast |
| 20:20.17 | greycat | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 8297 Jan 13 16:12 /var/log/boot |
| 20:20.20 | PerfDave | kingk: You need java to play a movie trailer? Go to a better movie trailer site ;) |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | drasko: I guess it wouldn't hurt.... |
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| 20:20.42 | drasko | greycat: thanks, will try |
| 20:20.53 | greycat | kingk: you have some VAST misconceptions about what java applets are. |
| 20:20.56 | quittt | for desktop... which is the bestest Debian? |
| 20:21.00 | greycat | quittt: sarge |
| 20:21.08 | kingk | PerfDave, I just want a full feature web browser as if I were on a non-free computer. ALso I can't play trailers at any site I know of |
| 20:21.16 | quittt | greycat, why not Sid? |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | kingk: you want mplayer-plugin, then, |
| 20:21.24 | greycat | quittt: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:21.24 | PerfDave | kingk: Install Java and you *will* be on a non-Free computer. |
| 20:21.26 | igraltist | i use sid :) |
| 20:21.30 | Defenestrator | quitte: depends on how much you want to fiddle with it |
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| 20:21.44 | AP03 | how can i add something to runlevel 2? |
| 20:21.52 | kingk | PerfDave, Yeah I know that, you know that, lets keep at that |
| 20:21.58 | drasko | one more question - after upgrade my machine boots up in text mode. i changed inittab, and default level to be 5 but it has no effect. |
| 20:21.59 | Defenestrator | quitte: sid if you want to mess around with stuff but don't care if stuff changes out from under you every now and then, sarge if you need it to work |
| 20:22.01 | greycat | AP03: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 20:22.14 | greycat | drasko: of course. |
| 20:22.17 | FLD | is there tester for linux that test USB memory speed |
| 20:22.18 | Defenestrator | quitte: I run sid on my laptop and it works well, but it doesn't need to be reliable... |
| 20:22.23 | kingk | greycat, what will I get out of java, and why aren't my vlc plugins working |
| 20:22.28 | FLD | how long takes 128megabytes file to go to USB stick |
| 20:22.29 | drasko | greycat: sorry? |
| 20:22.31 | FLD | and come out |
| 20:22.31 | Rawplayer | what is ethertype Unknown (0x4500) |
| 20:22.46 | FLD | read/write tester for USB memory for linux |
| 20:22.47 | Defenestrator | FLD: you could use time and cp |
| 20:22.48 | FLD | is there? |
| 20:22.52 | cureless | FLD it depends on the usb speed. |
| 20:22.59 | greycat | kingk: java is a PIECE OF SHIT, and the only thing it's good for is using JAVA APPLETS on sites that actually HAVE JAVA APPLETS ON THEM. Or for running Freenet. Or Dijjer. Or anything else Ian Clarke writes. |
| 20:22.59 | FLD | i dont have 128megabytes file |
| 20:23.07 | Defenestrator | make one |
| 20:23.09 | Flimzy | Blah! I can't find anything that will report the exact length of an MP3 file :/ |
| 20:23.12 | FLD | i dont know how |
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| 20:23.18 | Evon150 | what do i need to install for gnome was it gnome-utils? |
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| 20:23.26 | cureless | FLD use dd |
| 20:23.35 | quittt | Should I use sid on my server? |
| 20:23.36 | quittt | Are you insane? No! |
| 20:23.44 | FLD | dd how |
| 20:23.45 | kingk | greycat, Great, screw it, I just wanna play movie trailer, Why was I trying to install Java in the first place then, dpkg sent me in that direction |
| 20:23.46 | FLD | for what? |
| 20:23.50 | greycat | Evon150: apt-cache show gnome | grep -i depend |
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| 20:24.13 | FLD | dd is to pro for me |
| 20:24.13 | Defenestrator | FLD: eh.. .I guess you could just cat /dev/random into a file until you hit 128MB. There might be an easier way to do it though. |
| 20:24.18 | greycat | kingk: because you're a clueless half-wit? |
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| 20:24.26 | greycat | FLD: man dd |
| 20:24.27 | drasko | How to boot in gnome? |
| 20:24.27 | Defenestrator | maybe 'cut' could put a limit on it |
| 20:24.30 | cureless | FLD: test for speed. |
| 20:24.30 | FLD | nah i dont have so much skill |
| 20:24.31 | greycat | FLD: there. now you're a pro too. |
| 20:24.39 | greycat | FLD: help time |
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| 20:25.11 | Evon150 | gray cat unable to locate package gnome |
| 20:25.18 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:25.21 | greycat | Evon150: apt-setup; apt-cache show gnome | grep -i depend |
| 20:25.22 | FieldySnuts | gray |
| 20:25.23 | alejandro_ | when I'm installing something with a script (sudo apt-get instal $* | tee log (next line) mv log $1 ) but with xserver-xfree86 I can't select any driver or even crtl+c the operation |
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| 20:25.27 | greycat | Evon150: and *don't be on woody*. |
| 20:25.29 | FLD | i want program |
| 20:25.30 | greycat | Evon150: be on sarge. |
| 20:25.32 | cureless | FLD: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your-device Don't mess up or you'll erase everything. |
| 20:25.32 | FLD | not some haxor code |
| 20:25.35 | drasko | question - after upgrade my machine boots up in text mode. i changed inittab, and default level to be 5 but it has no effect. |
| 20:25.37 | J_P | people, anyone have idea what generate this message in boot ? Freeing unused Kernel memory : 112K freed : /sbin/init: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_initial_searchlist, version GLIBC_2.0. Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 20:25.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart FLD |
| 20:25.47 | FieldySnuts | i think that's my favorite lart |
| 20:25.50 | cureless | FLD: and I mean _everything_ |
| 20:25.52 | greycat | FLD: please just shut the fuck up. you're really annoying. |
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| 20:26.17 | a_monkey | where is xorg.conf? |
| 20:26.17 | FLD | i dont have skill for taht |
| 20:26.21 | FLD | so i dont do it |
| 20:26.23 | greycat | cureless: even Czechoslovakia? |
| 20:26.25 | PerfDave | a_monkey: In xorg, which isn't in Debian. |
| 20:26.25 | kingk | When I check my mozilla plugins I have vlc, but when I look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, I don't see it there |
| 20:26.37 | FLD | becose i allways get everything fucked up |
| 20:26.43 | FieldySnuts | FLD: well, we're not going to do it for you, so either learn, or don't do it |
| 20:26.44 | drasko | a_monkey: /etc/X11 ? |
| 20:26.45 | greycat | FLD: get a Unix book. |
| 20:26.50 | cureless | FLD: ok, I'll make it easy: buy a casio watch. copy a file and press the start crono button. When you get the prompt back press the stop button, read the number on the watch. that's not haxor. |
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| 20:27.13 | cureless | greycat: well, Czechoslovakia needs a double dd pass. |
| 20:27.18 | FLD | hmm i have to find 128megabytes file in net |
| 20:27.19 | AP03 | greycat: how to check what runlevel i am in? |
| 20:27.21 | FLD | and download it |
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| 20:27.34 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is cureless talking about? |
| 20:27.44 | valdyn | FLD: "time cat /dev/<yourusbthing> >128mb.file" is EASY |
| 20:27.45 | J_P | anyone idea about my error message ? |
| 20:27.47 | greycat | AP03: runlevel |
| 20:27.52 | FieldySnuts | are Czech girls well endowed? |
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| 20:27.59 | cureless | FieldySnuts: I was trying to help FLD with dd and the time. But he doesn't want the dd way because it's too elite. |
| 20:28.04 | greycat | FieldySnuts: read up. nothing important. |
| 20:28.12 | FLD | cureless i dont know dd so i dont use it |
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| 20:28.16 | FLD | and its very dangerous |
| 20:28.17 | valdyn | FLD: and yields a 128 mb file if your usb device is 128 mb |
| 20:28.27 | rdancer | ugly non-ISO-8601 date in the /topic bah! |
| 20:28.32 | FLD | i use it when i know exactly what it does |
| 20:28.34 | FieldySnuts | if you're worried, back up the target somewhere else first. then, you don't have to worry. |
| 20:28.35 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 20:28.38 | cureless | FLD: I thought you came here for help? Hence to learn things you didn't know. |
| 20:28.44 | *** topic/#Debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Meet dondelelcaro at SCALE 3x [2005-02-12] |
| 20:28.44 | FieldySnuts | i think he's trollin... |
| 20:28.45 | FLD | and i need finnish manual for dd so i can understund |
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| 20:28.55 | greycat | FieldySnuts: he's on /ignore now anyway. |
| 20:28.58 | FLD | and i dont have book that contains dd |
| 20:28.59 | romulo | does anyone know where i can obtain gtk-sharp-2 for debian? |
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| 20:29.08 | rdancer | greycat: thx |
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| 20:29.19 | valdyn | FLD: you can usually use "cat" instead, which might be easier to understand |
| 20:29.23 | a_monkey | also, how do i change my host name? |
| 20:29.42 | FieldySnuts | greycat: yeah I think I'll join ya. |
| 20:29.57 | drasko | a_monkey: edit /etc/host |
| 20:29.57 | FieldySnuts | too bad xchat doesn't have irssi's wonderful -replies option |
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| 20:30.10 | drasko | a_monkey sorry, hostname |
| 20:30.13 | paulswm | a_monkey: /etc/hosts |
| 20:30.17 | rdancer | renice daemon package? -- i want to renice xmms authomatically to -20, so it doesn't lag. |
| 20:30.23 | paulswm | oops |
| 20:30.26 | drasko | or something |
| 20:30.28 | paulswm | sorry |
| 20:30.49 | greycat | rdancer: that would require a temporary acquisition of root privileges at xmms-runtime, somehow. |
| 20:30.49 | a_monkey | shouldn't my hostname be "localhost" if i don't use a network login? |
| 20:30.50 | cureless | rdancer: automatically you mean at lauch? |
| 20:31.14 | frem | can someone point me to the file I need to edit to disable some of my consoles? I don't need 7 tty consoles. |
| 20:31.14 | juhov | frem: /etc/inittab |
| 20:31.18 | rdancer | greycat: that's exactly what i'm trying *not* to do -- no suid wrapper |
| 20:31.27 | frem | juhov: thanks |
| 20:31.37 | greycat | rdancer: the fact remains, un-nice'ing yourself required UID 0 |
| 20:31.44 | greycat | requires* |
| 20:31.47 | dgc | rdancer: you'd need a suid root script to run xmms as the caller and then renice |
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| 20:32.11 | drasko | greycat: can I get a help about this logging in gnome? |
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| 20:32.16 | rdancer | cureless: not right at the lunch -- it can check the process table periodically, and run renice on the processes it has in its config |
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| 20:32.41 | greycat | !#gnome |
| 20:32.41 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:32.45 | AP03 | greycat: why wont "update-rc.d <script> start 85 2 ." work? |
| 20:32.47 | cureless | rdancer: so what's your problem? renice ... `pidof xmms` on cron |
| 20:32.55 | rdancer | greycat, dgc: exactly. therefore a standalone daemon process that would run with UID==0 is that |
| 20:33.21 | greycat | rdancer: well... have fun writing it. |
| 20:33.22 | rdancer | cureless: *cough* crontab has a granularity of 1 minute |
| 20:33.31 | drasko | ok, thanks |
| 20:33.35 | greycat | AP03: damned if I know. I know I don't care. |
| 20:33.35 | rdancer | greycat: hmm |
| 20:33.40 | FieldySnuts | you can make it do under a minute, i jsut forget h ow |
| 20:33.42 | cureless | rdancer: so you want something instantaneous? |
| 20:33.44 | greycat | AP03: I just use ln(1) and rm(1) to manage my boot stuff. |
| 20:34.12 | drasko | !#gnome |
| 20:34.12 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:34.31 | kingk | How do I make sure there is a symbolic link to a script in my PATH? |
| 20:34.36 | cureless | rdancer: you want some daemon that monitors all executing programs and renices xmms automagically when run? |
| 20:34.48 | rdancer | cureless: yes |
| 20:34.48 | leonel | i want sarge out ! |
| 20:34.49 | leonel | i want sarge out ! |
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| 20:34.55 | rdancer | leonel: stfu |
| 20:35.01 | Starfury^ | anyone runnig seti on debian sid? |
| 20:35.02 | Flimzy | kingk: look at your path, and make sure the symlink is there somewhere |
| 20:35.11 | cureless | rdancer: and you don't want to write a wrapper... |
| 20:35.23 | rdancer | cureless: of course not |
| 20:35.25 | kingk | Flimzy, who, like my home directory? |
| 20:35.26 | leonel | rdancer: stfu ? |
| 20:35.34 | rdancer | !stfu leonel |
| 20:35.34 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP leonel! |
| 20:35.41 | leonel | oooo |
| 20:35.46 | Flimzy | kingk: who what? |
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| 20:35.51 | leonel | I don't want sarge out |
| 20:35.53 | greycat | leonel: we all want sarge, but whining doesn't help |
| 20:35.59 | cureless | rdancer: why not? You can do a simple one in C. |
| 20:35.59 | kingk | FLimzy, sorry I meant Oh |
| 20:36.03 | leonel | rdancer: happy now ? |
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| 20:36.33 | leonel | greycat: and what needs help so sarga can be out ? |
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| 20:36.38 | dgc | rdancer: set up a sudo privlege for yourself to allow renice, then alias xmms to nice -n -19 xmms |
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| 20:36.57 | greycat | leonel: release critical bugs have to be fixed, and the autobuilders have to be set up for all architectures for security updates |
| 20:36.59 | Flimzy | kingk: Your home directory should NEVER be in your path |
| 20:37.13 | greycat | leonel: and any last bugs in the installer need to be fixed |
| 20:37.43 | leonel | greycat: there will always be bugs what's with autobuilders ? |
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| 20:38.04 | Starfury^ | anyone run setiathome? |
| 20:38.08 | orfeu | what i must write in source of apt-get for non-free ? |
| 20:38.08 | kingk | Flimzy, Oh, alright, I guess I better go google about PATH |
| 20:38.12 | greycat | leonel: you could *start* by reading the debian-devel-announce archives. |
| 20:38.21 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:38.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:38.24 | leonel | greycat: thanks |
| 20:38.38 | greycat | orfeu: amazingly enough... it's "non-free" |
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| 20:38.52 | Starfury^ | greycat: so !anyone is a keyword |
| 20:38.55 | Starfury^ | lol |
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| 20:39.07 | greycat | no, "anyone use" is a factoid name |
| 20:39.12 | orfeu | :( |
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| 20:39.45 | Starfury^ | greycat: probably |
| 20:40.23 | Starfury^ | trying to work out why setiathome runs for abuot 2 minutes then hangs the entire sysetm forcing a hard erset |
| 20:40.49 | juhov | faulty memory? |
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| 20:40.52 | CarlosAlex | Hey |
| 20:40.56 | CarlosAlex | I removed cupsys |
| 20:40.59 | CarlosAlex | I will install again |
| 20:41.02 | Starfury^ | juhov: everything else on the box runs without a problem |
| 20:41.26 | leonel | greycat: after reading only 1 message I see sarge 6 months from now |
| 20:41.39 | stew | leonel: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 20:41.50 | loocek | I'm starting seting firewall on iptables: iptables -P INPUT DROP ; then iptables -A INPUT -s 212.77.100.101 -j ACCEPT (to allow this side only). After this when I try to list rules (iptables -L), this listing hang up for moment...grrr and then I don't have any connection with any side :( even to address which I allow...why?????? |
| 20:42.02 | FieldySnuts | lay off the ??????? stuff please |
| 20:42.08 | FieldySnuts | -? |
| 20:42.20 | CarlosAlex | I removed cupsys |
| 20:42.21 | Starfury^ | <sighes> |
| 20:42.28 | leonel | stew: 92 bugs ? and the real important BUG I see is the autobuilders |
| 20:42.29 | CarlosAlex | how do I clean the configs? |
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| 20:42.53 | leonel | stew: suppose there are no bugs left what about the autobuilders ? |
| 20:42.56 | stew | leonel: all rc bugs are important. all of those bugs will have to be fixed or the pakcages removed from sarge entirely |
| 20:43.07 | CarlosAlex | lpinfo -m |
| 20:43.08 | CarlosAlex | lpinfo: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 20:43.29 | orfeu | how i install java run time for firefox ? |
| 20:43.34 | loocek | anybody ? |
| 20:43.40 | PerfDave | orfeu: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:43.45 | PerfDave | orfeu: /msg dpkg java licensing |
| 20:43.56 | orfeu | PerfDave i dont't find the package |
| 20:44.01 | orfeu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.14 | stew | leonel: i'm not sure what is holding up the autobuilders, read debian-devel-announce |
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| 20:44.51 | leonel | stew: i'm reading |
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| 20:45.11 | loocek | why everybody ignoring me ?? |
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| 20:45.24 | B^AffL3cK | i have reinstalled debian, now don't run ssh |
| 20:46.03 | B^AffL3cK | really ssh run but it don't work |
| 20:46.13 | stew | !doesn't work |
| 20:46.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:46.20 | stew | loocek: use iptables -Ln |
| 20:46.26 | stew | loocek: it will list without looking up dns |
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| 20:47.02 | B^AffL3cK | !it |
| 20:47.02 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:47.09 | sussudio | !tasso B^AffL3cK |
| 20:47.19 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 20:47.44 | B^AffL3cK | !tasso |
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| 20:47.54 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 20:47.55 | B^AffL3cK | !tasso sussudio |
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| 20:48.00 | B^AffL3cK | ? |
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| 20:48.08 | FieldySnuts | hiya Guerin |
| 20:48.19 | aokaze | I am having problems with pppd. I dont understand what it means: pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 20:48.22 | aokaze | pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 20:48.59 | Zvpun | where would a question about general mail setup be on topic that is not about a specific MTA? |
| 20:49.10 | CarlosAlex | please |
| 20:49.12 | stew | !mail faq |
| 20:49.13 | sussudio | aokaze: you're not runnign debian. go away. |
| 20:49.16 | CarlosAlex | How do I install printer |
| 20:49.21 | aokaze | yes I am |
| 20:49.22 | stew | !mailfaq |
| 20:49.28 | stew | hrm |
| 20:49.31 | sussudio | aokaze: ubuntu is not debian, see topic. |
| 20:49.33 | aokaze | Debian Sarge 3.1 |
| 20:49.41 | aokaze | I am not running ubuntu |
| 20:49.49 | cureless | Zvpun: maybe here, but on an MTA channel they're suppose to know more about mail... general questions and all. |
| 20:49.49 | aokaze | thats on the other computer |
| 20:49.53 | sussudio | sure it is. |
| 20:50.14 | loocek | stew: thx, it really works :) , but I still haven't connection with my allow ip (212.77.100.101) |
| 20:50.18 | baver | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.25 | sussudio | aokaze: now be a good little ubuntu user and read the pppd docs. the part about 'noauth'. |
| 20:50.29 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 20:50.50 | Zvpun | Okay, my question is: how am I supposed to setup a mail system if I neither have a DNS domain nor 1 smarthost, but different users with different smarthost (+ smtp-authentication= |
| 20:50.54 | aokaze | I am not useing ubuntu |
| 20:51.07 | sussudio | aokaze on #mysql #php #emdebian #xchat #ubuntu #python-cleese ##linux #debian |
| 20:51.09 | Guerin | Zvpun: you're not |
| 20:51.24 | Zvpun | Guerin: why not? |
| 20:51.31 | Guerin | Zvpun: mail relies on dns |
| 20:51.34 | aokaze | [OS] Debian 3.1; Kernel 2.6.8-1-k7 :: [Uptime] 8 min :: [CPU] 1-AMD Athlon(tm) Processor @ 1103MHz (256 KB) :: [Memory] 59M Used, 250M Total (76% Free) :: [Video] @ 1400x1050 (16 bit) :: [Disk] 2.72G Free, 4.70G Total (40% Free) :: [Network] (ppp0) (0.75M In, 0.10M Out) |
| 20:51.48 | stew | loocek: ask in #iptables |
| 20:51.49 | Delph | Zvpun: the whole "MX" record, and all that. |
| 20:51.50 | CarlosAlex | lpadmin -p hp692c -m HP-DeskJet_692C-hpijs.ppd -vparallel:/dev/lp0 -E |
| 20:51.51 | CarlosAlex | Good |
| 20:51.56 | Guerin | Zvpun: mail relies on dns |
| 20:51.59 | CarlosAlex | lpr -p hp692c /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps |
| 20:52.01 | Guerin | eh |
| 20:52.03 | aokaze | I am useing debian on this computer |
| 20:52.05 | CarlosAlex | lpr: error - unable to access "hp692c" - No such file or directory |
| 20:52.21 | greycat | CarlosAlex: -P not -p |
| 20:52.22 | Zvpun | Guerin: but it should be possible to have a working mail system that relies email to different smarthosts based on the sender |
| 20:52.23 | aokaze | sussudio try again |
| 20:52.41 | sussudio | bah. |
| 20:52.42 | Zvpun | Guerin: let's say me and my prober use pop1.net resp. pop2.net |
| 20:52.45 | greycat | Flimzy: /msg dpkg marillat /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:52.50 | CarlosAlex | lpr -P hp692c /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps |
| 20:52.51 | Guerin | !possible |
| 20:52.51 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 20:52.51 | CarlosAlex | Ok, |
| 20:52.55 | CarlosAlex | nothing happened |
| 20:52.57 | aokaze | I had version hidden |
| 20:53.00 | Zvpun | Guerin: it should be possible to configere a mailsystem to deliver mail |
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| 20:53.21 | Guerin | Zvpun: yeah, there's always a hard and stupid way to do anything |
| 20:53.23 | bender-rw | Zvpun: grab the exim docu and start digging |
| 20:53.23 | Flimzy | greycat: hehe, thanks |
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| 20:53.30 | Zvpun | Guerin: okay, I admit I have a problem to formulate the question |
| 20:53.53 | CarlosAlex | lpstat -a hp692c |
| 20:53.53 | greycat | !tell Zvpun about mail tutorial |
| 20:53.54 | CarlosAlex | hp692c accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 20:53.56 | Zvpun | Guerin: what would you do? I'd prefer a not stupid way |
| 20:53.57 | CarlosAlex | But didnt print |
| 20:54.04 | greycat | CarlosAlex: is it enabled, too? or just accepting? |
| 20:54.14 | greycat | (or doesn't CUPS emulate SysV printing that closely?) |
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| 20:54.19 | Zvpun | greycat: how would the mail tutorial help me with different smarthosts? |
| 20:54.19 | CarlosAlex | lpadmin -a hp692c runned |
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| 20:55.08 | Endo_ | hi |
| 20:55.09 | CarlosAlex | enable?? |
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| 20:55.12 | CarlosAlex | I guess so |
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| 20:55.55 | greycat | CarlosAlex: try "lpstat -t hp692c" |
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| 20:56.23 | CarlosAlex | lpstat -t hp692c |
| 20:56.29 | CarlosAlex | scheduler is running |
| 20:56.29 | greycat | and keep in mind, I've *never* used CUPS. I'm just assuming it emulates the rest of the SysV syntax. |
| 20:56.33 | CarlosAlex | system default destination: hp692c |
| 20:56.36 | Guerin | Zvpun: I'd buy a domain and get a server out in the internet with a static ip address, run a named on it for reverse dns, and run the mail server like the gods intended |
| 20:56.38 | CarlosAlex | device for hp692c: parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 20:56.40 | greycat | don't flood us with the output. |
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| 20:56.43 | CarlosAlex | hp692c accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 20:56.48 | CarlosAlex | printer hp692c is idle. enabled since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 20:56.50 | Zvpun | Guerin: okay |
| 20:56.54 | Guerin | !kill CarlosAlex |
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| 20:57.19 | CarlosAlex | greycat, its working |
| 20:57.28 | kingk | If I want to install the mplayerplug-in do I also need to install mplayer itself? |
| 20:57.34 | Zvpun | Guerin: It is just for my parents home. I am looking for an cheap alternative. |
| 20:57.39 | kingk | mozilla plug in that is |
| 20:57.45 | stego | Jeez, java and Debian is a bit of a hassle isn't it? Why can't it be an apt-get install, rather than having to roll your own? |
| 20:57.46 | greycat | kingk: /msg dpkg mplayer /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 20:57.56 | greycat | why the fuck would you NOT install mplayer by itself? |
| 20:58.08 | PerfDave | stego: Because Java is non-Free crap. |
| 20:58.08 | Endo_ | i seem to be having trouble... i tried installing a few different xsevers from debain packages but they all end up starting, and thats it... keyboard and mouse dont work :/ ... ive tried looking and havnt come up with anything. Has anyone else heard of this happening? |
| 20:58.11 | greycat | "mplayer *porn*.avi" |
| 20:58.26 | CarlosAlex | please |
| 20:58.27 | CarlosAlex | help me |
| 20:58.30 | Guerin | Zvpun: if they're on dsl or another dynamic ip, you can use dnydns for the dns |
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| 20:58.41 | greycat | CarlosAlex: tried #cups? |
| 20:58.46 | kingk | greycat, I don't need it |
| 20:58.55 | CarlosAlex | nobody there |
| 20:58.59 | Guerin | Zvpun: but it's way better to just relay all your mail through a clean server which isn't on dynamic ip blacklists, etc. |
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| 20:59.25 | CarlosAlex | nobody who answers |
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| 20:59.44 | greycat | hey... how come "/msg chanserv list *cups*" shows no channels, but "*debian*" works fine? |
| 20:59.46 | Guerin | !tell Endo_ about set up x |
| 21:00.20 | Zvpun | Guerin: I understand that. But I dont have access to a relay. All I got is different smarthosts for different senders email addresses (free email accounts basically) |
| 21:00.25 | baver | I've just installed debian and gnome. For some actions, such as dragging a window, the mouse becomes a big white box (i.e. no pixmap?). Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 21:00.27 | cfh_dev | Where can I set system environment vars that will stick at setup even when using gdm? |
| 21:00.32 | Zvpun | Guerin: and they require passwords to send emails |
| 21:00.43 | greycat | Zvpun: what the FUCK. Just go use gmail like all the other wannabes. |
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| 21:00.58 | Endo_ | Guerin: thank you, i will try this |
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| 21:01.18 | Flimzy | greycat: Because there aren't any *cups* channels registered with chanserv? |
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| 21:01.37 | Zvpun | greycat: right, and then I can use all the commandline tools with qmail, since they don't relly on a working /usr/bin/sendmail but gmail |
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| 21:01.49 | Zvpun | greycat: you know exactly what I am talking about, right? |
| 21:02.11 | kingk | what is the command to reconfigure apt-get sources? |
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| 21:02.32 | Giovanni | Hi guys i've a toshiba laptop when i'm in windows xp the fan cool it is ignited and it is extinguished to the occurrence when i'm in linux the fan remains ignited how can i do? |
| 21:02.49 | DarK | quien habla espaniool ????? |
| 21:02.50 | Flimzy | kingk: I always use $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:03.00 | prog | hello, when I install a new service, dpkg subsystem will add it to starting scripts. How can I disable to do that automatically ? |
| 21:03.06 | Flimzy | kingk: But there are other (more user-friendly) methods, too. |
| 21:03.11 | greycat | Zvpun: all I see if "Hi, I'm some lame haxx0r who can't be bothered to spend $10 a year on a domain name and I want to do this incredibly complex thing involving passwords and per-recipient (or possibly per-sender) routing and all sort of crazy stupid shit that makes no sense!" |
| 21:03.17 | greycat | s/if/is/ |
| 21:03.36 | Delph | Zvpun: go to www.dyndns.com (or something) and get a free static subdomain or something. |
| 21:03.41 | Delph | then use that, then be happy. |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | kingk: apt-setup |
| 21:03.57 | Delph | stop with the sillyness of trying to run mail without a domain to back it off. |
| 21:04.11 | kingk | greycat, thx a million |
| 21:04.33 | greycat | prog: make your own custom packages that don't do that. |
| 21:04.36 | DarK | quien habla spanish ??????? |
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| 21:05.04 | greycat | !es |
| 21:05.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:05.11 | Flimzy | !spanish |
| 21:05.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:05.14 | Zvpun | greycat: You are right except for the stupid shit that makes no sense does make at least some sense for me |
| 21:05.23 | prog | greycat: hmm ;-) ; but when I apt-get upgrade, it will be rewritten :-( |
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| 21:05.47 | greycat | prog: not if you set the epoch version high enough on your custom packages. |
| 21:05.54 | Guerin | Zvpun: that's great, but it won't make as much sense once your mail starts getting 5xx responses |
| 21:05.54 | mastertet | I'm now under debian sarge, Ubuntu is in the trash :) |
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| 21:06.01 | Flimzy | Zvpun: Well I think the part about "who can't be bothered to spend $10 a year" was really key anyway |
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| 21:06.06 | js_ | can i change my root filesystem from ext2 to ext3 somehow without damaging it? |
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| 21:06.11 | Zvpun | Delph: if that would include a official IP (not dial-up -> blacklisted) and a smtp server it would work |
| 21:06.13 | prog | greycat: ok |
| 21:06.24 | Flimzy | js_: yes |
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| 21:06.26 | prog | js_: tune2fs -j |
| 21:06.32 | Guerin | Zvpun: you need a new computer and a new isp for that |
| 21:06.33 | PerfDave | js_: Unmount it (i.e. boot from another medium), follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 21:06.33 | prog | js_: tune2fs -j /dev/sdaX |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | Zvpun: use your ISP's smarthost if you're on a dynamic IP. |
| 21:06.37 | romulo | who is the maintainer of the muine on debian? i want mantain it |
| 21:06.46 | Guerin | !maint muine |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | muine: Dave Beckett <dajobe@debian.org> |
| 21:06.55 | greycat | Zvpun: and if your ISP doesn't have one, they aren't a real ISP, and you should switch. |
| 21:06.56 | mastertet | My clock is badly setup, how can I reconfigure the time on my computer |
| 21:06.57 | markybob | is there any way to have scp only copy files that are newer instead of copying everything? |
| 21:07.08 | greycat | markybob: rsync over ssh |
| 21:07.11 | Guerin | markybob: use rsync over ssh |
| 21:07.12 | Zvpun | Guerin: you refer to dyndns and dialup-ip's right? |
| 21:07.13 | PerfDave | greycat: Some ISPs won't let you use their SMTP server for non-ISP domains, even from inside the ISP's network |
| 21:07.16 | Delph | Zvpun: go to mcdonalds. Ask them for an uniform. Work two weeks. Return, and buy a domain for the next two years. |
| 21:07.19 | Flimzy | markybob: man ssh should tell you |
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| 21:07.21 | Starfury^ | lo |
| 21:07.25 | js_ | PerfDave: ah, ok |
| 21:07.35 | markybob | Flimzy tried man scp, which didnt. |
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| 21:07.38 | Flimzy | PerfDave: s/some ISPs/smart ISPs/ |
| 21:07.39 | markybob | greycat, thanks for the tip |
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| 21:07.45 | PerfDave | Flimzy: What's smart about that? |
| 21:07.57 | Flimzy | markybob: Well then there you go |
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| 21:08.14 | Zvpun | greycat: using the ISP smarthost relays on the user configuration. My question is: how could I configure my mail system such, that it uses thes creditals |
| 21:08.14 | Evon150 | ok have been trying to solve this" apt-cache show gnome | grep -i depend . and it s not working |
| 21:08.15 | greycat | PerfDave: in that case, he needs to get on the phone with his ISP and work out a payment schedule for his upgraded service class :) |
| 21:08.19 | Flimzy | PerfDave: it's dangerous |
| 21:08.25 | markybob | Flimzy, there you go? what exactly are you talking about? there you go what? you told me crap |
| 21:08.27 | PerfDave | Flimzy: How? |
| 21:08.28 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Opens up for all kinds of forgeries |
| 21:08.30 | Guerin | Zvpun: yeah. If your mail is relayed from a dial-up ip, it'll get blacklisted. That's just how things are. You need to route things through a real server; for that, you NEED a real server |
| 21:08.45 | Flimzy | markybob: There you go, the answer to your question is "no" |
| 21:08.46 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Bollocks. There's enough perfectly legitimate use. |
| 21:08.59 | markybob | Flimzy, you're one of those smart guys, huh? |
| 21:08.59 | Guerin | Flimzy: because there aren't a squillion other ways to forge mail |
| 21:09.00 | greycat | Guerin: or we need to get away from SMTP altogether. (Yeah, right.) |
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| 21:09.25 | Guerin | greycat: heh |
| 21:09.36 | Flimzy | Guerin: Send me a mail from bill@microsoft.com, but your header will still tell me where it originated. |
| 21:09.56 | greycat | Guerin: I predict we'll still be using SMTP by the time FTP finally dies, which *may* be in my lifetime if I'm fortunate. |
| 21:10.10 | Guerin | Flimzy: yeah; as it would in your example. |
| 21:10.18 | cfh_dev | Where do I set env. vars? |
| 21:10.29 | Flimzy | Guerin: I didn't provide any examples. |
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| 21:10.34 | Buck1 | Can anyone tell me what i need ot do to fix XFree86? |
| 21:10.37 | bender-rw | cfh_dev: systen wide or per user? |
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| 21:10.42 | Buck1 | I get a No screens found error |
| 21:10.46 | greycat | Buck1: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 21:10.50 | PerfDave | Buck1: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 21:10.55 | cfh_dev | bender-rw: system wide when booting to gdm |
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| 21:11.09 | bender-rw | cfh_dev: /etc/environment |
| 21:11.25 | cfh_dev | bender-rw: thank you much |
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| 21:11.36 | Buck1 | I knwo what the problem is |
| 21:11.39 | P_o_P | hi |
| 21:11.42 | Flimzy | markybob: If you call the ability to read a man page "smart", then I guess so |
| 21:11.45 | bender-rw | cfh_dev: no export X=y, just lines of X=y |
| 21:11.49 | mike__ | hi, how do i completely remove a package? i installed apache while apache2 was running and i want to remove all the configure files |
| 21:11.53 | cfh_dev | bender-rw: If the file doesn't exist, I'm guessing I can create it and everything will work as expected? |
| 21:11.55 | Zvpun | cfh_dev: for you or the whole system? if it is for you and you're using bash consider .bash_profile |
| 21:11.58 | greycat | Flimzy: I wish all our newbies were so smart. |
| 21:12.02 | PerfDave | mike__: apt-get --purge remove |
| 21:12.02 | Starfury^ | useing dselect (only use it for checking package names) i can find the 2.6.10 kernel image but i cant find hte headers, and i need the get the headers to be able to compile the nvidia drivers, are the headers available and if so has anyone got the package name for 2.6.10 k7 headers |
| 21:12.02 | Flimzy | mike__: man dpkg |
| 21:12.12 | bender-rw | cfh_dev: i guess so |
| 21:12.13 | Flimzy | greycat: aye. hehe |
| 21:12.21 | P_o_P | Someone know How to install my eth netgear GA311 Gigabits during the installation of debian plz ? |
| 21:12.26 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Are you using module-assistant to build the nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:12.59 | mike__ | Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed |
| 21:13.00 | Guerin | !test |
| 21:13.00 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 21:13.06 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: no i just run the installer, if the headers are there it works, if they arent it doesnt |
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| 21:13.21 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Don't use the installer, you'll fuck your system |
| 21:13.22 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: done this about 7 times now |
| 21:13.28 | Starfury^ | it works everytime |
| 21:13.28 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Use module-assistant, it will get any headers it needs. |
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| 21:13.34 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Congratulations, you've fucked your system. |
| 21:13.37 | UBiQUiTY | i've got a question about kernel parameters: does anybody know how to disable DMA for a single device (instead of ALL devices, such as ide=nodma ... i would like to pass a kernel paramener LIKE hda=nodma, or hdb=nodma, but this doesnt look possible... does anybody know the answer? |
| 21:13.41 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: but i havent |
| 21:13.44 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Next time you upgrade X, it'll all go boom. |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:13.56 | sepski | UBiQUiTY, check out hdparm |
| 21:13.58 | abrotman | !boom |
| 21:13.59 | dpkg | [boom] explosion, death, chaos |
| 21:14.01 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: i been doing it like this for nearly a year now on sid |
| 21:14.07 | prog | UBiQUiTY, hdparm -d0 /dev/hda |
| 21:14.07 | PerfDave | Starfury^: More fool you |
| 21:14.09 | Guerin | booom boom boom boom |
| 21:14.12 | Delph | UBiQUiTY: turn it off for all devices then hdparm after bootup? |
| 21:14.13 | greycat | mike__: dpkg --purge |
| 21:14.16 | abrotman | let's go back to my room |
| 21:14.19 | a_monkey | what does the line `Option "UseFBDev" "true"' under the Device section in my xf86config mean? |
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| 21:14.23 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: riiiight, theres no need to be so abusive tho |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | a_monkey: read the man page ? |
| 21:14.32 | greycat | a_monkey: it means use the frame buffer device |
| 21:14.33 | PerfDave | Starfury^: I'm not being abusive. I'm telling you the facts. |
| 21:14.42 | Guerin | abrotman: I'm gonna shoot you right down |
| 21:14.46 | Starfury^ | well they quite blatently arent the facts... |
| 21:14.46 | dobby___ | is there a possibility to show what keycode do i get when i press a key on my keyboard? |
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| 21:14.48 | abrotman | Guerin: ok |
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| 21:15.05 | prog | dobby___ showkey |
| 21:15.08 | PerfDave | Starfury^: No, they quite blatantly are. That you're too stupid to understand them is not my problem. |
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| 21:15.10 | Xaqueth | Toshiba Satellite 470CDT hangs when I get to "Real Time Clock Driver v1.12" on Debian Sarge with linux26. Could anyone help how to fix this? |
| 21:15.16 | PerfDave | !tell Starfury^ -about nvidia-installer |
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| 21:15.36 | PerfDave | !tell Starfury^ -about nvidia-howto |
| 21:15.42 | greycat | dobby___: in X? xev |
| 21:16.02 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: ok so if they are the facts then how come my system which is being updated every week because i am usign unstable never dies.... |
| 21:16.03 | kingk | With respect to Marillat. As I understand it, I add the ftp address to my sources.lst file, and then I apt-get install *files* that are not part of debian officially such as mplayer. So when I apt-cache search I should have files like mplayer there? |
| 21:16.10 | Buck1 | Dammit, its "(EE) VESA (0): No matching modes. |
| 21:16.18 | greycat | kingk: yes |
| 21:16.19 | Phated | kingk: After you apt-get update, yes. |
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| 21:16.34 | resiak | Starfury^: Trust PerfDave, he knows these things. |
| 21:16.35 | Guerin | Starfury^: haven't changed kernels yet |
| 21:16.40 | PerfDave | Starfury^: You must have been lucky. Doesn't mean that your system isn't fucked. |
| 21:16.45 | kingk | Phated, Oh, I have to apt-get update. What will that do? |
| 21:16.48 | dobby___ | greycat how can i exit xev ;-) |
| 21:16.50 | greycat | kingk: man apt-get |
| 21:16.52 | arango | How do I rewite grub to the MBR ? |
| 21:16.55 | Guerin | Starfury^: as soon as you do, X will break and you'll come in here pissing and moaning |
| 21:16.55 | Starfury^ | Guerin: yes i have, about 7 times, as each time i do i have to recompile the nvidia drivers |
| 21:16.59 | greycat | dobby___: ctrl-c it back in the window that you ran it from |
| 21:17.00 | Phated | kingk: Yeah, what greycat said. |
| 21:17.06 | PerfDave | Starfury^: There are people living in land-mined territory who haven't been blown up yet. Does that mean that it's safe to live there? |
| 21:17.11 | Guerin | Starfury^: right. |
| 21:17.21 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Anyway, I've told you how to fix your problem, you can run along now. |
| 21:17.21 | Starfury^ | Guerin: ? |
| 21:17.22 | greycat | PerfDave: if enough other people have died already, yes. |
| 21:17.24 | Flimzy | Is it possible for an MP3 to contain more than 2 audio channels? |
| 21:17.25 | kingk | lol, ok ok |
| 21:17.34 | Buck1 | Yes |
| 21:17.35 | takatumi | Starfury^: anyway the headers are available. kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 21:17.38 | Buck1 | Stereo D: |
| 21:17.43 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: no you told me another way to do something, which i noticed happens a lot in here.... |
| 21:17.47 | Flimzy | Buck1: Stereo is 2 channels. |
| 21:17.54 | PerfDave | Starfury^: I told you a way that would fix your problem. So run along now. |
| 21:17.55 | resiak | Starfury^: The way PerfDave told you is the safe way. |
| 21:17.55 | Flimzy | Buck1: I want to know if it can store *more* than two channels. |
| 21:17.59 | a_monkey | in the InputDevice section of my xf86config, there is the line `Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"' <-- how are the buttons emulated? |
| 21:18.03 | Buck1 | Dobly 5.1 can anyway |
| 21:18.05 | Starfury^ | takatumi: ah thank you, someone who knows how to answer a question |
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| 21:18.08 | Buck1 | *Dobly |
| 21:18.10 | greycat | !xfaq |
| 21:18.10 | PerfDave | greycat: If enough people have blown up, there aren't any more landmines, and it's no longer land-mined territory ;) |
| 21:18.10 | dpkg | xfaq is, like, the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
| 21:18.14 | Flimzy | Buck1: I didn't ask about Dolby 5.1 I asked about MP3. |
| 21:18.16 | Starfury^ | resiak: if i wanted safe i would be using woody |
| 21:18.16 | Buck1 | MP3 can't |
| 21:18.16 | Xemacs_ | The more people dead, the fewer landmines for me to find |
| 21:18.18 | veleno | at my university, they closed irc ports. any work-around? |
| 21:18.19 | Guerin | abrotman: push right and left together and you get a third button |
| 21:18.26 | resiak | Starfury^: Well, then don't come in here and whine. |
| 21:18.26 | Buck1 | Unless you had MP3Prop |
| 21:18.33 | Starfury^ | i wasnt whining |
| 21:18.34 | Buck1 | *MP3Pro |
| 21:18.41 | Starfury^ | i asked a frigging question and got the third degree |
| 21:18.46 | Flimzy | Buck1: I'm talking about standard mp3 |
| 21:18.50 | abrotman | Guerin: boobs? |
| 21:18.52 | Buck1 | No it doesn't |
| 21:18.53 | Starfury^ | end of |
| 21:18.55 | Starfury^ | thanks takatumi |
| 21:18.57 | Flimzy | Buck1: thanks |
| 21:18.57 | PerfDave | Starfury^: You got the facts. Don't come crying to #debian when you fuck your system using your stupid installer. |
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| 21:19.08 | Guerin | abrotman: is this jeopardy? |
| 21:19.10 | PerfDave | Starfury^: Because all we'll do is point and laugh, you hapless retard. |
| 21:19.15 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: can i have a word in private? |
| 21:19.15 | resiak | Starfury^: The point is that you're here asking for help and ignoring the good advice you're getting. |
| 21:19.15 | UBiQUiTY | PROG and DELPH , and whomever else answered my NODMA question ... I know that HDPARM could help, but i'm actually trying to find a kernel-parameter only solution..... I am trying to alter a KNOPPIX configuration booting from a compact flash disk, and i'd rather not have to bother with alteriong the compressed image |
| 21:19.16 | abrotman | Guerin: you said it .. notm e |
| 21:19.19 | PerfDave | Starfury^: No |
| 21:19.19 | oops_ | does anyone remember where I download more ram? |
| 21:19.24 | Phated | Guerin: You wanted to address a_monkey. |
| 21:19.29 | Guerin | abrotman: oh |
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| 21:19.41 | greycat | oops_: gentoo.org |
| 21:19.44 | Guerin | all this tropical air is doing my head in |
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| 21:19.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 21:19.59 | Starfury^ | resiak: i am not ignoring it, i was told bluntly it would screw my system even though i have done it this way for the last year everytime i change the kernel i recompile the drivers with the latest driver out... and its worked fine... |
| 21:20.10 | resiak | Starfury^: As they said, it's worked fine _so_ _far_. |
| 21:20.21 | Phated | How does one do nice clean nvidia driver installs? |
| 21:20.21 | Buck1 | I can't get X working |
| 21:20.23 | resiak | Starfury^: One day, you _will_ fuck your system up, and we'll just laugh at you. |
| 21:20.23 | Buck1 | I suck D: |
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| 21:20.27 | PerfDave | Phated: Using module-assistant ;) |
| 21:20.29 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:20.29 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 21:20.29 | Guerin | !tell Buck1 about set up x |
| 21:20.34 | Phated | PerfDave: Lovely, thank you. |
| 21:20.39 | Starfury^ | resiak: then i will just grab the netinst cd and start again |
| 21:20.41 | Starfury^ | no biggie |
| 21:20.42 | DarK | who talk spanish ?????????????????????????????????/ |
| 21:20.45 | resiak | Starfury^: That's not a biggie? |
| 21:20.47 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:20.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:20.47 | Flimzy | PerfDave: nvidia modules are inherantly unclean... Unless you wrote an open version yourself :P |
| 21:20.48 | dvs | !es |
| 21:20.49 | resiak | Starfury^: Damn, you've missed the point. |
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| 21:20.55 | Guerin | DarK: lots of people in spain and latin america |
| 21:20.57 | Starfury^ | resiak: which is? |
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| 21:21.02 | Buck1 | I don't think !tell worked D: |
| 21:21.03 | kingk | Dark, debian.sp |
| 21:21.04 | kingk | lol |
| 21:21.10 | resiak | Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
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| 21:21.15 | DarK | oK |
| 21:21.17 | Phated | Ever! |
| 21:21.18 | greycat | @tell kingk about es |
| 21:21.21 | DarK | join #debian.sp |
| 21:21.24 | Starfury^ | oh and PerfDave i never said that your way wasnt better.... just that my system hasnt broken yet |
| 21:21.27 | greycat | GODS! |
| 21:21.31 | abrotman | dark: /j #debian-es |
| 21:21.39 | greycat | DarK: out of all the people here to listen to, WHY did you choose kingk? |
| 21:21.45 | kingk | lol |
| 21:21.47 | Starfury^ | resiak: well as a n00b its sometimes easier to rebuild than to fix |
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| 21:21.55 | Starfury^ | and its good learning |
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| 21:22.04 | Phated | Starfury^: How about building it right? That sounds like better learning. |
| 21:22.07 | Phated | resiak: logloglog. |
| 21:22.08 | resiak | Starfury^: No, learning to fix is good learning. |
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| 21:22.12 | resiak | Phated: Very much so. |
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| 21:22.39 | oops_ | greycat: cool, thanks |
| 21:23.03 | Guerin | greycat: good work |
| 21:23.19 | Buck1 | (++) VESA (0): DPI set to (100, 100) |
| 21:23.21 | Guerin | greycat: seems like oops_ is off to download his new ram, all thanks to you |
| 21:23.23 | greycat | dpkg, flw29 is <resiak> Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
| 21:23.23 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 21:23.28 | Buck1 | I think somehting is wrong with that line |
| 21:23.30 | greycat | Guerin: yay! |
| 21:23.30 | resiak | greycat: ? |
| 21:23.33 | kingk | greycat, this isn't working for me here. I added the source to sources.list, did apt-get update, and then tried apt-cache search mplayer, And no results. :( |
| 21:23.51 | greycat | dpkg, literal famous last words |
| 21:23.51 | dpkg | famous last words is <reply> see flw(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25|26|27|28) |
| 21:23.55 | Phated | Buck1: How so? It says that you have a dots per inch res of 100x100. |
| 21:23.59 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/28/28|29/ |
| 21:23.59 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 21:24.03 | resiak | greycat: :/ |
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| 21:25.02 | Buck1 | Phated, i dunno |
| 21:25.15 | Buck1 | But after that i get (EE_ VESA (0): No matching modes. |
| 21:25.44 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 21:25.44 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 21:25.45 | Phated | Buck1: OK, so -that- line, the one with EE, is the error. ++ is like... Normal or info or something, but not error. |
| 21:25.46 | takatumi | Buck1: you had that same error an hour or so ago, haven't done much eh? |
| 21:25.57 | a_monkey | will "apt-get install swf-player" install the mozilla swf plugin? |
| 21:26.03 | Starfury^ | greycat: lol |
| 21:26.07 | Buck1 | I tried looking at the config |
| 21:26.09 | Buck1 | Got the same thing |
| 21:26.18 | Buck1 | And i reinstalled again D: |
| 21:26.23 | greycat | !info swf-player sid |
| 21:26.26 | takatumi | a_monkey: it will, but it sucks. |
| 21:26.28 | dpkg | swf-player: (SWF (Macromedia Flash) player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 21:26.33 | greycat | !info flashplugin-nonfree sid |
| 21:26.34 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 21:27.54 | kingk | Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me |
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| 21:28.25 | takatumi | kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 21:29.15 | kingk | takatumi, ITs installed, but the problem I have is still persistent. Your problem is just installation |
| 21:29.28 | mr-d | I've got two identical disks. I want to make an exact copy of disk 1 to disk 2. Disk one has 3 partitions. Can I do dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 and then the same for sda2 and sda3? |
| 21:29.28 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd43 is <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
| 21:29.28 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:29.37 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/38 43 // |
| 21:29.37 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:29.40 | markl_ | is there a new installer that is fairly easy for a debian newbie |
| 21:29.47 | resiak | !d-i markl_ |
| 21:29.48 | dpkg | markl_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:29.54 | amal | my shift-pgup does not work on xterm. where should I go for fixing? |
| 21:29.57 | markl_ | resiak: thanks |
| 21:29.58 | Buck1 | I want a sort of Anaconda style one |
| 21:30.03 | Buck1 | Does everything for you, including X |
| 21:30.10 | resiak | Buck1: d-i does everything for you. |
| 21:30.18 | greycat | amal: does it work in other terminal emulators like rxvt? |
| 21:30.18 | Phated | amal: Er, try pgup alone. |
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| 21:30.26 | Buck1 | so how do i do it then? |
| 21:30.32 | greycat | amal: or are you inside some APPLICATION in an xterm that prevents it? |
| 21:30.44 | amal | pgup run well |
| 21:30.45 | resiak | Buck1: You download d-i, and install Debian, and pick graphical desktop. |
| 21:30.52 | amal | grey: no, in shell |
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| 21:31.03 | kingk | greycat, but I have lots of players installed, flash, vlc, realplayer. Installation isn't a problem for me |
| 21:31.06 | Phated | Buck1: Then you install Fedora. |
| 21:31.07 | greycat | what does "pgup run well" mean? |
| 21:31.08 | amal | greycat: no, in shell |
| 21:31.26 | greycat | kingk: if they *don't work* then I'd suggest they *are* a problem. |
| 21:31.38 | Buck1 | resiak, So i wget it, install debian, longin console and thn install it and i get a desktop/ |
| 21:31.39 | Buck1 | *? |
| 21:31.54 | Phated | resiak: Give up. Really. Or logloglog him. |
| 21:31.55 | Buck1 | Phated, Fedora doesn't support enough for me |
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| 21:32.13 | amal | pgup is known inside application (pager, vi), but shift-pgup is failed in shell |
| 21:32.13 | Guerin | Buck1: just follow the installer through until it asks you what you want, anc choose graphical desktop. Then it gets itself together |
| 21:32.19 | Guerin | fedora is shite |
| 21:32.24 | resiak | Buck1: You get it, burn a CD, boot from it, follow the instructions, reboot, pick graphical desktop, reboot, joy. |
| 21:32.25 | Phated | Buck1: a) Install Fedora for your shiny Anaconda installer b) Deal with a non-graphical installer. |
| 21:32.27 | Buck1 | Yeah it sucks |
| 21:32.31 | takatumi | Guerin: chillin' back home? |
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| 21:32.39 | Guerin | takatumi: you know it |
| 21:32.46 | takatumi | Guerin: :) |
| 21:32.46 | greycat | resiak: what's the second reboot for? subarch kernel? |
| 21:32.48 | Guerin | went fishing the other day, and I caught a shark |
| 21:32.54 | Buck1 | I'm not worried about graphical installing, just configuring |
| 21:32.55 | resiak | greycat: Uh, ignore me :) |
| 21:33.01 | resiak | Buck1: Remove the second reboot. |
| 21:33.06 | takatumi | Guerin: yeah, did that once, a tiny one though. |
| 21:33.09 | Phated | Guerin: Damn. Sweet. |
| 21:33.10 | Buck1 | Ok then |
| 21:33.21 | Buck1 | So i just insert the disc an'all |
| 21:33.24 | resiak | Buck1: Yeah. |
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| 21:33.32 | Overfiend | 2) http://redwald.deadbeast.net/tmp/FAQ.xhtml#debugmesadri |
| 21:33.52 | Overfiend | Are these entries comprehensible and (potentially) useful? |
| 21:34.07 | takatumi | Overfiend: if it'll get my radeon340 doing DRI, I promise feedback. |
| 21:34.19 | Phated | Overfiend: They seem understandable enough. |
| 21:34.20 | Overfiend | takatumi: this is a FAQ, not a miracle ;-) |
| 21:34.22 | kingk | greycat, the problem is with mozilla, I guess, the players work besides mozilla |
| 21:34.26 | Overfiend | Phated: that was fast :) |
| 21:34.27 | takatumi | Overfiend: :) |
| 21:34.36 | Buck1 | resiak, i have to download that DVD AGAIN!? |
| 21:34.40 | Phated | Overfiend: I read fast. :) |
| 21:34.59 | Buck1 | Makes me glad i used DVD+RW this time |
| 21:35.04 | resiak | Buck1: What are you on about? |
| 21:35.05 | Overfiend | Phated: I'll give the other folks in the channel a little longer to read and comment before commiting :) |
| 21:35.07 | resiak | !d-i Buck1 |
| 21:35.08 | dpkg | Buck1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:35.26 | Buck1 | Yeah, well, i get it using Jigdo |
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| 21:35.27 | resiak | Buck1: You download a few hundred megabyte CD image, and then the rest is downloaded from the internet as you install. |
| 21:35.31 | resiak | Buck1: Don't do that. |
| 21:35.34 | Phated | Overfiend: Well, of course. But at first glance, it's not something that would make me give up debugging X. :) |
| 21:35.34 | amal | ah, my problem is solved... dig into .Xdefaults. thx to who have responded my question |
| 21:35.51 | Phated | resiak: 110, as I recall. |
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| 21:36.00 | resiak | Phated: Okay, if you say so. |
| 21:36.03 | Buck1 | resiak: Allright, i have allready installed Debian, do i install it again or something using this installer? |
| 21:36.06 | kingk | You know what, forget marillat |
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| 21:36.26 | Phated | Buck1: If you |
| 21:36.26 | resiak | Buck1: Uh, if you've already installed Debian, apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm and you're on your way. |
| 21:36.29 | Phated | Argh. |
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| 21:36.30 | dvs | Buck1: If you've already installed it then what's the problem? |
| 21:36.32 | resiak | Phated: Beat you :) |
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| 21:36.43 | Phated | resiak: Ah well. |
| 21:36.49 | resiak | Buck1: Alternatively, apt-get install x-window-system-core kde kdm if you're on drugs ;) |
| 21:36.54 | dvs | ha |
| 21:36.56 | greycat | Overfiend: in "How can I debug 3d", I suggest adding an explicit "export " before the environment variables. Newbies may get confused otherwise. |
| 21:37.08 | Buck1 | dvs, startx gives me errors |
| 21:37.14 | Buck1 | And i have nooo idea how to fix them |
| 21:37.25 | Overfiend | greycat: Okay. Good point. |
| 21:37.26 | resiak | Buck1: Well, what's the error? |
| 21:37.28 | dvs | Buck1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:37.37 | a_monkey | how do i remove a package *and* all of its dependencies? |
| 21:37.41 | Buck1 | No screens found. |
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| 21:37.52 | resiak | Buck1: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 21:37.52 | PerfDave | a_monkey: You wouldn't want to do that. |
| 21:37.53 | Phated | Helpful... REconfigure it, choosing different things. |
| 21:38.04 | Overfiend | greycat: change made and URL updated |
| 21:38.06 | PerfDave | a_monkey: The closest you can probably come is deborphan / debfoster. |
| 21:38.16 | resiak | FFS, Debian is easy enough to install that my 55-year-old dad installed it twice today. |
| 21:38.27 | dvs | resiak: HUH!? ;-) |
| 21:38.31 | Phated | !win resiak's dad |
| 21:38.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak's dad! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:38.35 | Overfiend | greycat: (export FOO=bar is not POSIX, whereas FOO=bar; export FOO is...) |
| 21:38.36 | resiak | dvs: What? |
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| 21:38.46 | dvs | resiak: What Phated said. |
| 21:39.01 | greycat | Overfiend: I think it's safe to assume anyone *not* using bash on their Debian box will know what to use... |
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| 21:39.18 | resiak | dvs: I know! I was amazed. He IMed me from San Francisco to say "What CD image should I get?" |
| 21:39.22 | markl_ | /quit |
| 21:39.24 | Overfiend | greycat: yes, but I'm anal about standards :) |
| 21:39.28 | greycat | Overfiend: anyway, it looks fine. |
| 21:39.35 | Buck1 | Ok |
| 21:39.37 | Buck1 | Brb |
| 21:39.40 | Buck1 | Seeing if this works |
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| 21:39.41 | Overfiend | great, thanks! To both you and Phated. |
| 21:39.49 | Phated | Anytime. :) |
| 21:39.57 | CSRx | im trying to run ./hldsupdatetool.bin and it says permission denied, but i can run other apps in that directory... why would it say that and how could i fix it? |
| 21:40.00 | greycat | and for whatever it's worth, "export FOO=bar" works in my POSIX /bin/sh on HP-UX 10.20 |
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| 21:40.52 | Phated | You who? |
| 21:40.56 | Phated | (hoo?) |
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| 21:40.58 | a_monkey | if i'm on a ppc, flashplugin-nonfree won't be available, right? the macromedia flash plugin can't be ported to other archs than x86. |
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| 21:41.16 | Starfury^ | PerfDave: can you give me that info again, the window closed before i got the link |
| 21:41.18 | greycat | a_monkey: uh, probably right. |
| 21:41.23 | Starfury^ | going to have a quick read |
| 21:41.25 | greycat | a_monkey: #debianppc might know for sure |
| 21:41.26 | resiak | Starfury^: Hahah. |
| 21:41.31 | resiak | !tell Starfury^ about nvidia-howto |
| 21:41.35 | cthulfuego | a_monkey: Correct. There *is* a flash plugin for ppc, but that makes firefox crash, so don't be tempted to try it. |
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| 21:41.49 | greycat | resiak: try "nvidia one-liner" |
| 21:41.52 | resiak | Starfury^: Funny how you came crawling back ;) |
| 21:41.59 | CSRx | anyone? |
| 21:41.59 | Starfury^ | resiak: whats there to laugh at, i press ctrl Q instead of ctrl W |
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| 21:42.02 | resiak | !tell Starfury^ about nvidia one-liner. |
| 21:42.23 | resiak | Starfury^: What's to laugh at is that you went on about how your way worked, and now you're back asking for the right way again. |
| 21:42.27 | Starfury^ | resiak: i will always look at alternatives, i just dont appreciate the way i was told |
| 21:42.27 | resiak | greycat: Point. |
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| 21:43.02 | Starfury^ | resiak: i havent even tried the "wrong" way for the 8th time of it working fine yet |
| 21:43.11 | greycat | !pal Starfury^ |
| 21:43.20 | Giovanni | guys do u know the name (in apt) of gtk library? |
| 21:43.27 | greycat | yes, we do. |
| 21:43.28 | Starfury^ | but before i had a chance to even look at the alternative i accidently killed xchat rather than just the tab |
| 21:43.29 | resiak | Giovanni: For what purpose? |
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| 21:43.36 | greycat | resiak: we know what purpose, too. |
| 21:43.36 | dvs | thanks for asking |
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| 21:43.42 | Giovanni | resiak i must install it |
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| 21:43.47 | runedude` | higuys, i was wondering how to applay a .patch file? |
| 21:43.55 | greycat | Giovanni: and since our wiki-faq is down, I'll be REALLY nice and tell you: libgtk1.2-dev |
| 21:43.55 | resiak | Starfury^: You realise that you've just secured yourself immortality in my "amusing logs" site? |
| 21:43.58 | Phated | runedude`: man patch. |
| 21:43.59 | Giovanni | checking for gtk_main in -lgtk... (cached) no |
| 21:43.59 | Giovanni | configure: warning: *** GTK+ libraries not found. X code will not be built. *** |
| 21:43.59 | Giovanni | ./configure: line 2966: gtk-config: command not found |
| 21:43.59 | Giovanni | ./configure: line 2967: gtk-config: command not found |
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| 21:44.08 | Starfury^ | resiak: like i'm bothered.... |
| 21:44.08 | runedude` | Phated, lol :P |
| 21:44.09 | bender-rw | runedude`: patch -p1 < /path/to/file |
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| 21:44.12 | runedude` | ok |
| 21:44.13 | Phated | greycat: Should have waited for that before you told him. |
| 21:44.13 | runedude` | thx |
| 21:44.18 | greycat | resiak: why did you bother asking him? you should *know* why they ask. |
| 21:44.26 | resiak | greycat: I don't, actually... |
| 21:44.27 | Phated | runedude`: I don't see how that's funny, but lol away. |
| 21:44.39 | xtreme | for no reason my wlan card stopped working in debian, it still works in windows, there's no messages in dmesg syslog or messages, and I dont know where to start looking, I can modprobe it and configure it with iwconfig, I'm also able to iwlist scan and detect the networks, just not connect |
| 21:44.39 | runedude` | Phated, I was going to read it |
| 21:44.41 | greycat | resiak: whenever ANYONE asks for a library, they're trying to compile something and they want the -dev package. |
| 21:44.51 | Phated | resiak: I thought his immortality was guaranteed even before that moment. |
| 21:44.54 | Starfury^ | some of you guys should really learn a little bit of patience, but then saying that I am like you with the people i support, so heh |
| 21:44.58 | resiak | Phated: True. |
| 21:45.00 | Phated | runedude`: I see. Still not seeing the funny, but OK. |
| 21:45.03 | resiak | greycat: Heh, true. |
| 21:45.24 | cthulfuego | greycat: ... and they inevitably shouldn;'t be compiling things if they don't even have that level of knowledge. |
| 21:45.27 | Phated | greycat: That -was- unusually nice of you, though. |
| 21:45.32 | Phated | !greycat++ |
| 21:45.38 | cthulfuego | Not to mention they're usually compiling something they could apt-get. |
| 21:45.39 | greycat | Phated: it's only because we have no wiki-faq to send them to now. |
| 21:45.40 | Phated | (As though he doesn't have enough. :)) |
| 21:45.43 | Giovanni | tnx i try it |
| 21:45.48 | runedude` | Whatever... |
| 21:45.49 | runedude` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.51 | runedude` | Thanks |
| 21:46.00 | Phated | greycat: True, but still. You'd yell and make them apt-cache search. :) |
| 21:46.04 | xtreme | what happened to "have to start learning somewhere" ;-) |
| 21:46.06 | _rene_ | gw 11 |
| 21:46.09 | _rene_ | grmbl |
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| 21:46.21 | cthulfuego | xtreme: That got thrown out with the bath water |
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| 21:46.34 | xtreme | that explains a lot |
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| 21:47.10 | Giovanni | greycat nothing checking for gtk_main in -lgtk... (cached) no |
| 21:47.11 | Giovanni | configure: warning: *** GTK+ libraries not found. X code will not be built. *** |
| 21:47.27 | cthulfuego | Giovanni: What are you trying to compile? |
| 21:47.39 | greycat | Giovanni: and since our wiki-faq is down, I'll be REALLY nice and tell you: libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 21:47.53 | greycat | Giovanni: rm config.cache; ./configure; read config.log |
| 21:48.15 | kingk | Mozilla Navigator & Mozilla firefox is basically the same thing |
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| 21:48.17 | arcus | there's a wiki-faq? cool... |
| 21:48.25 | Phated | Well, there should be. |
| 21:48.27 | resiak | arcus: There was, but it got trashed. |
| 21:48.33 | arcus | :[ |
| 21:48.33 | Phated | How precisely? |
| 21:48.38 | stego | Is there a difference between usbfs and usbdevfs? |
| 21:48.39 | arcus | is it coming back? |
| 21:48.42 | Giovanni | where i found this faq graycat? |
| 21:48.43 | Phated | Soon, soon. |
| 21:48.47 | Giovanni | where i found this faq greycat? |
| 21:49.04 | resiak | Giovanni: I think you said that twice. I think you said that twice. |
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| 21:49.06 | Giovanni | i'm trying to instal toshiba utility |
| 21:49.07 | greycat | Giovanni: spammers killed it the front page, but the other pages are still available if you know their names. |
| 21:49.16 | greycat | Giovanni: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DevelopmentPage |
| 21:49.21 | Phated | resiak: He corrected a typo. :) |
| 21:49.22 | resiak | Giovanni: What toshiba utility? |
| 21:49.22 | jcook | "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" ... Anyone know why the hell I keep getting these .. im trying to do a manual route add -net ... |
| 21:49.30 | resiak | Phated: Heh. |
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| 21:49.40 | Phated | resiak: :) |
| 21:49.45 | greycat | jcook: you're adding a route to an IP you can't reach from your current set of routes. |
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| 21:49.59 | jcook | greycat: /sbin/route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:50.01 | Giovanni | i've tryed to install toshiba utilities resiak |
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| 21:50.15 | resiak | Giovanni: Which toshiba utilities, exactly? |
| 21:50.28 | xtreme | hmm... when I connect a usb disk, do I have to set up anything before mounting it, because its not really detected as sda1 or any other sd* the disk is detected and modules are loaded |
| 21:50.29 | jcook | greycat: hence the reason im adding the route |
| 21:50.29 | resiak | Giovanni: I'm interested, since I have a Toshiba. |
| 21:50.29 | FieldySnuts | aka non-debian provided |
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| 21:50.33 | greycat | jcook: you can't add a route to 192.168.1.0/24 through 192.168.1.1 because you can't get to 192.168.1.1 until you can get to 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 21:50.39 | cthulfuego | 'apt-get install toshutils' |
| 21:50.49 | greycat | jcook: it's like shipping the instructions on how to set up your VCR, on a VHS tape. |
| 21:50.52 | _rene_ | apt-get install toshset |
| 21:50.52 | bender-rw | jcook: do you want eth0 instead of gw xxx |
| 21:51.00 | cthulfuego | See also 'toshset' and 'fnfxd' |
| 21:51.01 | jcook | greycat: ahhh ... I neeed hte interface up |
| 21:51.08 | resiak | Ah, my Toshiba doesn't do APM. |
| 21:51.08 | jcook | greycat: im a nong |
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| 21:51.31 | _rene_ | fnfxd works with acpi |
| 21:51.36 | _rene_ | toshset/-utils afaik not |
| 21:51.47 | cthulfuego | apt-cache search toshiba is your friend. |
| 21:51.51 | resiak | _rene_: Yeah, I know. I already have fnfxd. I was wondering what I'm missing. |
| 21:51.52 | _rene_ | at least not complete |
| 21:51.58 | jcook | bender-RW-: eth0:1 ... aliases |
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| 21:52.08 | resiak | cthulfuego: Yeah, I already have fnfxd, but I was wondering if I'd missed something neat. |
| 21:52.27 | cthulfuego | resiak: Yes, a vaio ;-) |
| 21:52.33 | Giovanni | resiak it's a package of utilityes for toshiba laptop |
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| 21:52.48 | cthulfuego | Giovanni: Those are precompiled and already IN debian. |
| 21:52.48 | Giovanni | do u want see it resiak? |
| 21:52.49 | resiak | Giovanni: In case you haven't been following, I've already discovered that much. Is your Toshiba laptop new? |
| 21:53.07 | Giovanni | yes resiak |
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| 21:53.21 | Giovanni | it's m30x series |
| 21:53.22 | resiak | Giovanni: Then you want fnfx instead. |
| 21:53.24 | samuel | silly question, but ive never asked, and cant seem to find it in google: what does the "sticky" flag do in the permissions of files? |
| 21:53.55 | resiak | Giovanni: apt-get install fnfxd fnfx-client. |
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| 21:54.12 | Giovanni | resiak what's fnfd? |
| 21:54.15 | resiak | Giovanni: Or, if you insist on using toshutils, apt-get install toshutils. |
| 21:54.26 | resiak | Giovanni: A daemon for newer Toshiba laptops. |
| 21:54.33 | resiak | Giovanni: man apt-cache |
| 21:54.34 | Phated | samuel: /msg dpkg sticky bit |
| 21:54.37 | Giovanni | i've istalled toshutils |
| 21:54.38 | zOap | Hey, anyone have experience with the prism54 driver and SMC2835W card? |
| 21:54.40 | cthulfuego | Giovanni: It's the packaged version of the software you're trying to compile. |
| 21:54.42 | samuel | Phated, thx |
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| 21:54.59 | Giovanni | but there isn't a executable file |
| 21:55.18 | Giovanni | to execute |
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| 21:55.20 | Phated | man toshutils, read /usr/share/doc/toshutils, perhaps? |
| 21:55.31 | samuel | Phated, It has no effect on files in any modern Unix? does this mean its obsolete |
| 21:55.33 | nvz | I notice greycat leaving about this time every day.. he must be strippping in the evenings or something .. gawd scarry thought. |
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| 21:55.57 | Phated | As you said, it's a collection of utilities, it's hardly going to be an executable called /usr/bin/toshutil, is it. |
| 21:56.05 | resiak | samuel: No, it's handy for directories. |
| 21:56.20 | Phated | samuel: No idea. See what resiak said. I've never used it myself. |
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| 21:56.55 | resiak | samuel: If it's set on a directory, then you can only remove files from that directory that you own, even if the directory is world-writable. |
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| 21:57.03 | nvz | afaicr he never really left much before, now he /quit every day. |
| 21:57.14 | samuel | resiak, i see |
| 21:57.15 | resiak | samuel: This is, for example, _essential_ for /tmp, where anyone must be able to create files, but being able to delete other users' files would be deadly. |
| 21:57.19 | Phated | He's addicted to it and is now on a twelve-step program. |
| 21:57.26 | nvz | maybe its worse than I thought.. he's dual-booting windows.. ahh! |
| 21:57.35 | samuel | resiak, aaah! |
| 21:57.40 | samuel | thanks! |
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| 21:57.51 | nvz | heh |
| 21:58.08 | Giovanni | resiak i must configure fnfx-client? |
| 21:58.09 | Phated | "DEBIAN" : Do Escape Bullshit In A Night (by not being on #debian). |
| 21:58.25 | resiak | Giovanni: Read the manual, just like I had to. |
| 21:58.39 | Giovanni | ok |
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| 21:59.27 | directhex | oh look, udev hates mdadm |
| 21:59.28 | Giovanni | resiak where i found the manual? |
| 22:00.00 | nvz | hell if I had my little way, there would be a flat screen in every room. be able to read goole news from the shower.. its not like you need to, but hey I can see how people can get addicted to being wired |
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| 22:00.20 | samuel | is there any way to "fake" the ownership of files in a symlink? ive got a symlink in my webserver that goes to some files in my home directory... but cant see them online because they are not owned by www-data... can i fake this? |
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| 22:00.26 | Phated | nvz: If I had my way, I'd be permanently wired into the net. |
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| 22:00.40 | Phated | nvz: Think "plugged-in". |
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| 22:00.45 | resiak | samuel: make them world-readable, and their parent directories world-executable. |
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| 22:00.53 | apm-idmm | i am new to this linux debian thing and cannot get shutdown -h now to shut the power off on my laptop. There are no apm or acpi option in the BIOS. what can this beginner do?. i need apm or acpi on the laptop for obvious reasons... |
| 22:00.55 | detrickmartin | hello |
| 22:01.12 | resiak | Giovanni: /usr/share/doc/fnfxd and /usr/share/doc/fnfx-client; man fnfxd; man fnfx-client |
| 22:01.14 | valdyn | samuel: make them world readable? |
| 22:01.15 | dvs | apm-idmm: You can start by loading the kernel module |
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| 22:01.22 | Phated | nvz: *rawr* |
| 22:01.24 | detrickmartin | does anyone know how to disable auto indention on vi? |
| 22:01.51 | samuel | resiak, but not writable... thanks i was looking for something more complicated... dunno why i didnt just do that! |
| 22:02.03 | resiak | samuel: Exactly :) |
| 22:02.10 | apm-idmm | dvs: when i do apmd as root i get the message: No APM support in kernel |
| 22:02.20 | resiak | apm-idmm: Well, what does that mean? |
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| 22:02.35 | TerminX | detrickmartin: funny, google is working on this end |
| 22:02.36 | dvs | apm-idmm: That's not a kernel modules, that's a debian package |
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| 22:03.05 | nvz | I bet there are a lot of cats out there wishing there was a Reverse Line Feed button that was paw-sized and illuminated in easy reach |
| 22:03.40 | apm-idmm | i managed to recompile my kernel and enabled APM in the kernel NOT as a module |
| 22:03.59 | apm-idmm | but apm does no work |
| 22:04.00 | dvs | apm-idmm: Oops. What about acpi? |
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| 22:04.05 | detrickmartin | ok, but i could of help you all on how i was able to power off my laptop with apm |
| 22:04.19 | apm-idmm | my laptop is 5 years old |
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| 22:04.27 | dvs | OK |
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| 22:04.43 | detrickmartin | i had 2 laptops running linux |
| 22:04.47 | Phated | You did reboot after recompiling your new kernel, of course, and booted into the new kernel...? |
| 22:04.52 | Phated | Just to cover all bases. |
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| 22:05.08 | quinten | hey, i'm missing some mime info for kde |
| 22:05.08 | detrickmartin | what is the version of your kernel? |
| 22:05.18 | quinten | any ideas what package i need to look in? |
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| 22:05.24 | quinten | no kde application works |
| 22:05.27 | apm-idmm | what can i do? i mean a newbie shoulkd not have to compile and recompile kernels just to get apm/acpi working on their laptop. my laptop is my desktop not a server |
| 22:05.53 | dvs | apm-idmm: You should have compiled them as modules, or better yet, use the debian kernels. |
| 22:05.53 | detrickmartin | do you want to get this done or not? |
| 22:05.56 | Phated | No, you could just have modprobed apm, which -is- a kernel module somewhere. |
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| 22:06.11 | cthulfuego | apm-idmm: Well, if it has a broken bios, that's just life. |
| 22:06.15 | dvs | Phated: He compiled it in. |
| 22:06.30 | quinten | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 72, expecting version 75 or higher. |
| 22:06.30 | quinten | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found |
| 22:06.31 | quinten | kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype KonqAboutPage not f |
| 22:06.39 | detrickmartin | bye |
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| 22:06.56 | quinten | then trying to connect to anything: protocol not supported: http |
| 22:07.00 | resiak | quinten: #debian-kde |
| 22:07.00 | apm-idmm | dvs: i did use debian kernels! |
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| 22:07.22 | Phated | dvs: Apparently, it's not in, because it's not working, is it. His install kernel would have enabled him to have modprobed it. |
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| 22:08.14 | apm-idmm | kernel-2.6.10 deb and then kernel-source 2.6.10 deb to compile my own. automatic poweroff on shutdown worked ok on windows |
| 22:08.57 | dvs | apm-idmm: You could have just used the debian kernel and load the apm module |
| 22:08.58 | Phated | We obviously need a !worked on windows, in addition to !worked on 2.4. |
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| 22:09.27 | dvs | double whammy |
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| 22:09.42 | apm-idmm | dvs: i did use debian kernels! and tried loading apm as a module and got the No support in kernel message! |
| 22:09.46 | cthulfuego | how about !worked for cafuego |
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| 22:10.04 | Phated | No, that's an obvious way for -you- to make money, cthulfuego. :) |
| 22:10.15 | dvs | apm-idmm: You can use the apm kernel module OR the apmd package but NOT BOTH |
| 22:10.19 | cthulfuego | "Cafuego is an idiot, but he got it working without any problems. What does that say about you?" |
| 22:10.38 | Phated | Heh. |
| 22:10.57 | idnar | haha |
| 22:11.07 | Giovanni | resiak i've read the documentationt here are optional settings...but when execute the utility it show me fatal error: Could not open "/home/Giovanni/.fnfxrc". Please make sure that the default config is accessible. |
| 22:11.12 | apm-idmm | i tried both methods, dvs! |
| 22:11.34 | cthulfuego | !find fnfxrc |
| 22:11.39 | Phated | Giovanni: Shouldn't you, then, try to ensure that the named file is accesible? |
| 22:11.47 | asuffield | nothing really works on windows. they just show you pre-recorded videos of the competitors product working |
| 22:11.53 | winstonSmith[7c0 | cthulfuego: that is a good example of predicate logic :) a nice implication |
| 22:11.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fnfxrc' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/fnfxd/examples/fnfxrc_example) in utils/fnfxd. |
| 22:12.18 | Giovanni | no phated |
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| 22:12.22 | cthulfuego | Giovanni: copy /usr/share/doc/fnfxd/examples/fnfxrc_example to ~/.fnfxrc and edit it. |
| 22:12.24 | Phated | And... why not? |
| 22:12.26 | resiak | Giovanni: Read the smegging manual! |
| 22:12.29 | Giovanni | i can't find it |
| 22:12.37 | Phated | Then do what cthulfuego said? |
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| 22:12.50 | resiak | Giovanni: I TOLD YOU WHERE THE MANUALS ARE! |
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| 22:13.09 | manlymatt83 | If I'm custom installing my own partitions, I'd wanna make / the primary partition, and /var and /usr logical, correct? |
| 22:13.24 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: maybe. maybe not |
| 22:13.24 | caphuso | manlymatt83: doesn't matter |
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| 22:13.34 | asuffield | Phated: you walked right into that one. never ask a question that possibly lets them answer "No, I'm an idiot" |
| 22:13.34 | nvz | manlymatt83: not really |
| 22:13.38 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: Linux really doesn't give a rats ass about logical or primary partitions. |
| 22:13.56 | nvz | manlymatt83: you are allowed 4 primary, if one of those doesnt extend to logical partitions then you cannot have more than 4 total |
| 22:14.01 | winstonSmith[7c0 | manymatt83: i like to upgrade my hdd's every now and then to bigger ones, so i make /home a separate partition on a different hdd as well, then when i do an upgrade, i simply image my old drive on top of my new one and my /home dir is good to go |
| 22:14.06 | Phated | asuffield: I have much to learn yet. Then again, cornering them this soon is nice. :) |
| 22:14.09 | apm-idmm | dmesg |grep apm gives apm: BIOS not found |
| 22:14.23 | manlymatt83 | nvz: But there is an option to make them primary or logical in the partition editor |
| 22:14.28 | manlymatt83 | I'm a BSD guy, I'm not used to some of these options |
| 22:14.29 | cthulfuego | apm-idmm: Hve you check the manufacturer's website for BIOS updates? |
| 22:14.38 | manlymatt83 | Could someone give me equivelents of sorts? |
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| 22:14.48 | Phated | manlymatt83: So make them primary. Doesn't hurt. It really doesn't matter. |
| 22:14.49 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: partition == slice |
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| 22:15.04 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: The only reason you need to use logical partitions is if you need more than 4 total partitions |
| 22:15.21 | cthulfuego | manlymatt83: They're a legacy of BAD hardware design. You can have 3 primary, one extended and a bunch more logical IN the extended aprtition. |
| 22:15.26 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: And you probably do... generally you need swap, /, /usr, /var, and /home. So generally at least 2 must be logical. |
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| 22:15.35 | nvz | manlymatt83: if you are using linux only I dont think it cares.. but the old rules for ignorant os's is that 1, 2, 3, 4 are physical and 5+ are logical so you can have up to 4 physical, if one of those isnt an extended partition, then you cannot have more than 4 total |
| 22:15.36 | manlymatt83 | Flimzy: OK .... well, we already made / the primary and /usr and /var the logical. Should I go back and change them? |
| 22:15.37 | speedy | how to startx ? |
| 22:15.37 | manlymatt83 | okay |
| 22:15.37 | stego | Not sure if it's a feature, but when I plug in my USB camera, it kills my USB mouse until reboot. It's does gasp "control timeout on ep0in" as it dies though... any thoughts? |
| 22:15.42 | apm-idmm | no info on their website about the bios. compaq is a disgrace! |
| 22:15.43 | cthulfuego | manlymatt83: Look at logical partitions ask disklabels on an extended aprtition. |
| 22:15.48 | Flimzy | manlymatt83: There's no reason to change them. |
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| 22:15.54 | manlymatt83 | nvz: I gotcha |
| 22:15.59 | onkko | hi everybody |
| 22:16.12 | onkko | anybody has a canon i560 on debian please ? |
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| 22:16.23 | Flimzy | apm-idmm: If you don't know compaq's web site, then YOU are a disgrace :P |
| 22:16.31 | cthulfuego | apm-idmm: Yes. How about HP? |
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| 22:16.57 | cthulfuego | apm-idmm: lets's start from the beginning. What laptop model is it? |
| 22:17.21 | apm-idmm | try yourself www.compaq.com and see for yourself. i am not a disgrace.compaq presario 1400 laptop |
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| 22:17.52 | apm-idmm | compaq presario 1400 laptop |
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| 22:18.07 | goron | Is there some "restore" utility for Debian. I want to have clean bootscripts. |
| 22:18.10 | cthulfuego | 1400EB, 1400T or 1400T-XL4 ? |
| 22:18.38 | nvz | goron: you need new copies of all your /etc/init.d/? |
| 22:18.47 | goron | nvz: yes |
| 22:18.57 | nvz | heh |
| 22:19.05 | nvz | goron: you should have made backups. |
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| 22:19.09 | ws[7c0] | apm-idmm: i have a compaq evo n800c.. it's a riced out notebook :) it's an Evo ;) |
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| 22:19.16 | nvz | goron: though you do have some choices |
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| 22:19.24 | bender-rw | speedy: apt-get install xdm :) |
| 22:19.27 | nvz | goron: you could like install or reconfigure all packages :P |
| 22:19.29 | lobomufas | hi |
| 22:19.32 | nvz | reinstall |
| 22:19.33 | nvz | I mean |
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| 22:19.40 | ws[7c0] | i tried to find a 'linux laptop / notebook roundup' on google, but it seems no one ahs made one yet |
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| 22:19.55 | J_P | people, I think my server was racked.. and i boot and always i have message promiscuous eth0... How i remove virus/trojan from my debian server ? |
| 22:19.55 | cthulfuego | ws[7c0]: Asus make a nice looking AMD64 laptop. |
| 22:20.01 | apm-idmm | the only *recent* thing i found on google regarding my laptop and apm: http://66.102.9.104/linux?q=cache:FEWrA3St_bQJ:devel.linuxwiki.de/gaga/KNOPPIX_2fHardwareDatenbank_2fNotebook+%22compaq+presario+1400%22+apm&hl=en |
| 22:20.03 | J_P | panyone can help me ? |
| 22:20.03 | Flimzy | ws[7c0]: There are probably countless (partial) ones |
| 22:20.05 | goron | nvz: How do I do that? |
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| 22:20.42 | nvz | goron: don't know I could probably come up with something |
| 22:20.56 | goron | nvz: Well, the real problem is that booting takes ages. |
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| 22:21.12 | Giovanni | ok i've make it but what's this error fatal error: Could not get id of semaphore with key 0x822155648. |
| 22:21.13 | speedy | how to start xfree86? |
| 22:21.20 | Phated | speedy: startx. |
| 22:21.25 | bender-rw | speedy: startx simply or startx -- -xf86config=/etc/X11/XF86Config-4_some_special_version |
| 22:21.27 | speedy | i dont have startx |
| 22:21.37 | valdyn | goron: you want to figure out why it takes ages, not reinstall everything - thats pointless |
| 22:21.40 | Phated | speedy: apt-get install x-window-system-core. |
| 22:21.42 | dvs | speedy: Then you don't have xfree86 |
| 22:21.53 | ws[7c0] | cthulfuego: i'm not too concerned about looks.. but i do like the 15" apple powerbook :) |
| 22:21.56 | Phated | dvs: Yes, he does. He could have apt-get installed xserver-xfree86. |
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| 22:22.14 | nvz | goron: ok |
| 22:22.17 | dvs | Phated: And that doesn't get x-window-system? Yuck! |
| 22:22.21 | Phated | Which doesn't provide the other niggling little things that x-window-system-core do. |
| 22:22.26 | nvz | goron: what kind of network connection is it? |
| 22:22.28 | goron | valdyn: Well, it scans for my usb ports for some weird reason and then it times out. Connecting to my network interface takes 5 seconds or so... |
| 22:22.32 | Phated | dvs: Er... x-window-system gets xserver... |
| 22:22.36 | goron | nvz: Ethernet ADSL. |
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| 22:22.37 | cthulfuego | apm-idmm: Well, according to a link off www.linux-laptop.net 'apmd' works fine. |
| 22:22.43 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a DVD Authoring howto, and perhaps frontend(s) that aide in the process? |
| 22:22.44 | bender-rw | xbase-clients |
| 22:22.46 | Phated | dvs: You have your packages messed up. :) |
| 22:22.51 | daaani | is there any text based webbrowser? |
| 22:22.54 | dvs | Phated: probably |
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| 22:23.00 | nvz | goron: you really shouldnt be rebooting anyhow :P |
| 22:23.04 | Phated | daaani: elinks, w3c, lynx. |
| 22:23.08 | gilles | i have an usb hard drive, it's mounted but its content is not the expected one, how can I rescue the datas it contains ? |
| 22:23.11 | bender-rw | daaani: links,w3m... |
| 22:23.12 | Phated | Ranked in order of my preference. |
| 22:23.17 | goron | nvz: I still have all the scripts... |
| 22:23.27 | cthulfuego | Thouigh admittedly it's painfully obvious that page was written by a Gentoo user. "We need to enable this, but i don't know why" |
| 22:23.37 | nvz | goron: I have been working on my systems and had to take them down for monifications.. and this box has an 11day uptime |
| 22:23.40 | nvz | + |
| 22:23.47 | cthulfuego | Flimzy: Yes, but not for Linux. |
| 22:23.49 | nvz | damn big + key right next to enter |
| 22:23.55 | Phated | cthulfuego: Sounds like us, though. "We help people on here, but we don't know why." |
| 22:23.57 | nvz | I dont know how I hit them like that |
| 22:24.13 | goron | nvz: I also get an error "you should issue /etc/init.d/sendmail reload" every time I boot. This also takes 15 seconds or so. |
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| 22:24.23 | Phated | cthulfuego: Well, people like you do. I just amuse myself. :) |
| 22:24.27 | cthulfuego | Phated: I don't know about you, but I'm paying for genocide in a previous life ;-) |
| 22:24.27 | speedy | how to make keyboard key repeatition faster? |
| 22:24.28 | Xemacs_ | <<< just here for the humour, and violence |
| 22:24.30 | Giovanni | resiak what's this error fatal error: Could not get id of semaphore with key 0x822155648. |
| 22:24.36 | nvz | goron: sounds like you need an admin |
| 22:24.38 | Phated | cthulfuego: Fair enough. |
| 22:24.41 | Flimzy | cthulfuego: well that kinda defeats the purpose of the question |
| 22:24.43 | nvz | goron: pebcak |
| 22:24.46 | cthulfuego | That's the onl;y reasonable explanation I have for it |
| 22:25.00 | goron | nvz: pebcak? |
| 22:25.05 | cthulfuego | Flimzy: That depends. it could mean there *is* no decent one., |
| 22:25.11 | dvs | !pebcak |
| 22:25.12 | dpkg | somebody said pebcak was Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 22:25.17 | nvz | goron: yeah, problem exists between keyboard and chair .. heh |
| 22:25.19 | Phated | cthulfuego: I'm probably paying off debts to some Mafia fellow. It's the only thing compelling enough to keep me here. :) |
| 22:25.30 | goron | nvz: Nice, joke. |
| 22:25.41 | resiak | Giovanni: I have absolutely no idea. |
| 22:26.06 | nvz | its kind of like you got a nut loose between the drivers seat and the steering wheel |
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| 22:26.16 | cthulfuego | it's an IPC error. |
| 22:26.23 | Phated | nvz: Or a loose nut. <snicker> |
| 22:26.23 | cthulfuego | See 'ipcs' |
| 22:26.24 | stego | IS there a difference between usbfs and usbdevfs? |
| 22:26.28 | arango | When DHCP is configuring my interface I get the following message "ip length 328 disagrees with bytes received 324"... help please |
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| 22:26.55 | cthulfuego | arango: Does it get an IP? |
| 22:26.58 | goron | nvz: Well, I think some things are just badly programmed. |
| 22:27.13 | Phated | nvz: You can't stop me! IP is built for redundancy! (And so am I, I have an extra cable right here.) |
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| 22:27.54 | valdyn | goron: if sendmail does things you dont want it to do, you either replace sendmail with something else or fix it.. |
| 22:27.59 | nvz | goron: shell scripts arent hard to read |
| 22:28.14 | cthulfuego | nvz: reading != understanding |
| 22:28.21 | goron | nvz: If I apt-get remove sendmail and then apt-get install sendmail (even with purge), the problem still stays. |
| 22:28.24 | caphuso | nvz: wanna bet? |
| 22:28.38 | goron | nvz: The problem is in a Makefile. |
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| 22:28.48 | goron | nvz: I located it some time ago. |
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| 22:28.53 | valdyn | !confuse goron |
| 22:28.54 | dpkg | Yes, those was my gouda today, goron? breeches of the monarchy of mongolia with extra herring |
| 22:29.20 | valdyn | goron: apt-get install someothermailer |
| 22:29.23 | Phated | Postfix! Or exim4 or something. |
| 22:31.00 | goron | valdyn: Been there, done that. |
| 22:31.16 | goron | valdyn: The problem is that the problem does not go away. |
| 22:31.35 | goron | valdyn: If it was easy, I wouldn't be asking. |
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| 22:31.39 | valdyn | goron: it does not go away with a different mailer? |
| 22:31.45 | asuffield | Phated: you're built with an extra cable? doesn't it get in the way when you want to sit down? |
| 22:32.17 | Phated | asuffield: I think it evolved or something. Sticks quite conveniently out the back of my chairs or curls up neatly. |
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| 22:32.39 | pder | I TRY THE DEBAIN AND IT IS SHIT |
| 22:32.51 | Xenguy | keeel heeem |
| 22:32.54 | bender-rw | pder: goot to know |
| 22:32.54 | grivell | pder: joy |
| 22:32.59 | bender-rw | pder: good :) |
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| 22:33.09 | daaani | how do i restart fstab? |
| 22:33.14 | goron | valdyn: No |
| 22:33.25 | goron | valdyn: It's in this Makefile: |
| 22:33.35 | Xemacs_ | fstab is a file (you dont) |
| 22:33.38 | Rawplayer | asuffield: and now your are shit :) |
| 22:33.39 | arcus | daaani: fstab is a file. It can't really be restarted. |
| 22:33.39 | valdyn | goron: a makefile has NOTHING to do with a running binary |
| 22:33.41 | Rawplayer | erm |
| 22:33.44 | goron | /etc/mail/MakeFile |
| 22:33.44 | Rawplayer | sorry |
| 22:33.49 | Rawplayer | asuffield i didnt mean you |
| 22:33.58 | goron | valdyn: I *know* what a MakeFile is. |
| 22:33.59 | Rawplayer | i mean pder |
| 22:34.01 | Rawplayer | hehe |
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| 22:34.10 | Phated | Oooh, now you in for it. :) |
| 22:34.16 | grivell | lol |
| 22:34.33 | valdyn | !find etc/mail/MakeFile |
| 22:34.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/mail/MakeFile' returned no results. |
| 22:34.47 | grivell | mode even blah |
| 22:34.53 | Rawplayer | hehe |
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| 22:35.25 | goron | valdyn: It that a suggestion that I should just delete it? |
| 22:35.32 | si|vercat | where do I place openoffice.org templates? |
| 22:35.38 | valdyn | goron: that file is either created by sendmail or you created it |
| 22:35.41 | goron | valdyn: It's Makefile btw (my error). |
| 22:35.48 | valdyn | !find etc/mail/Makefile |
| 22:35.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/mail/Makefile' returned no results. |
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| 22:36.23 | goron | valdyn: Well, than sendmail created it... |
| 22:37.09 | valdyn | goron: this sounds really fishy, if sendmail created it then purging sendmail would remove it, and you said you already did that and replaced sendmail with a different mailer |
| 22:37.20 | goron | valdyn: Yes |
| 22:37.34 | goron | valdyn: It does sounds fishy/illogical/weird. |
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| 22:37.59 | arcus | daaani: once you've entered in an entry to fstab, let's say it's '/cdrom /dev/cdrom ...' you can just type 'mount /cdrom' at the prompt and it will be mounted (if you've done the permissions and so forth correctly) |
| 22:38.26 | apm-idmm | cthulfuego: do you mean: http://student.iu.hio.no/~s126308/lol/gentoo_notes.html |
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| 22:38.54 | goron | valdyn: I will try to fix the problem tomorrow. I think I have an idea of how to solve it. Thanks |
| 22:39.01 | valdyn | goron: try #sendmail, or read that file, or just try removing it |
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| 22:39.38 | apm-idmm | that does not tell me how. it is just a guy saying something without much to backup it up! |
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| 22:40.09 | bender-rw | daaani: if you want to mount all the things in fstab do mount -a |
| 22:40.24 | NewpZ | if i want to play doom3 without letting kde load.. how do i do that? |
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| 22:42.32 | directhex | NewpZ, echo 'doom3' > ~/.Xsession |
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| 22:42.51 | directhex | NewpZ, then pick 'default session' or similar as your login session in *dm |
| 22:43.01 | directhex | NewpZ, if you use startx, then replace Xsession with xinitrc |
| 22:43.22 | bender-rw | NewpZ: startx xterm, then run doom3 from that xterm |
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| 22:47.24 | bender-rw | NewpZ: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=43 |
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| 22:49.33 | stego | Why would i have "none mounted on /dev" and "/dev mounted on /.dev"? |
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| 22:50.18 | Delph | stego: read the information just after "none mounted on /dev" -- devfs doesn't have a device that you mount. |
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| 22:50.35 | Delph | no idea about /dev and /.dev though. |
| 22:50.51 | zinx | /.dev sounds like udev |
| 22:50.55 | zinx | + debian |
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| 22:51.15 | valdyn | Delph: /dev is mounted on /.dev so you can still access the static /dev |
| 22:51.20 | flankk | hey, i'm planning on having a secure server just for encrypted logins. should i be using mod_ssl or another server as apache-ssl, on a different directory, or which is the suggested method? |
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| 22:51.22 | Delph | valdyn: ah, ok then. |
| 22:51.27 | Delph | though dont tell me, tell stego |
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| 22:51.40 | stego | Hehe. What do you mean access the static /dev? |
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| 22:52.06 | valdyn | stego: traditionally /dev contained static entries, residing on your harddisk |
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| 22:52.10 | shingoki | what should I run to set up resolutions again? I seem to have 800x600 and 640x480 only, just installed |
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| 22:52.36 | stego | valdyn, I see. |
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| 22:52.53 | valdyn | stego: /.dev serves no purpose for me, but its easy to find one |
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| 22:53.19 | drasko | hello everybody |
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| 22:53.30 | valdyn | stego: udev doesnt permit loading a devive driver after a device is used, since the device will only exist after the driver is loaded |
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| 22:53.38 | drasko | how to boot directly in Gnome 2.8 |
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| 22:53.55 | valdyn | stego: now, if you let, say your printing system use /.dev/lp0 it _could_ load that driver on demand |
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| 22:54.04 | valdyn | stego: but uh, thats a pointless feature imo |
| 22:54.11 | Buck1 | Not working still D: |
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| 22:54.13 | J_P | people, default kernel in woody 2.4.19 have anyone bug for exploit ? |
| 22:54.16 | drasko | I have a problem - it boots in text mode, although I put default level 5 in inittab |
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| 22:54.54 | Last | Any one run a soundBlaster live card on debian... that could give me a hand |
| 22:54.55 | stego | valdyn, I see. Thanks. |
| 22:55.00 | J_P | becouse my server was hacked and i find one source code in /var/tmp with name vislum.c and i open it and have comment "exploint to kernel 2.4" |
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| 22:55.46 | valdyn | J_P: nice! |
| 22:55.52 | Paganist | Heya everyone :) Just installed a 200GB hard drive disk.... but linux as windows see it as a 131GB instead of 200... anyone ever seen such thing ? |
| 22:55.56 | J_P | valdyn: :-( |
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| 22:56.35 | |rufius| | How would I update a package like glib2.0 with dpkg? I have the .deb file, do i just isntall it or is there a specific update switch? |
| 22:56.41 | lgd_ | hi all |
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| 22:56.51 | vile_maxim | Anybody running Pervasive SQL? |
| 22:56.54 | Buck1 | Wheres the debian installer? |
| 22:57.00 | DrRighteous | Ahhh! Need some help, just bought a few SuperMicro 6013A-T servers with the ICH5R SATA controller, but on booting the woody cdimage, it freezes after detecting the HD. Anyone? |
| 22:57.09 | Buck1 | Easy one that does all the X stuff for you |
| 22:57.11 | lgd_ | i quit, hi |
| 22:57.22 | vile_maxim | Buck1, http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+installer ? |
| 22:57.24 | Leonardo_Lopes | Why Cdrecord is in Main section and DVDrtools is in NON-FREE section if they have the same license? |
| 22:57.31 | Buck1 | Nice |
| 22:57.58 | vulture | Leonardo_Lopes: perhaps they don't.. if you think one is in error, file a bug |
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| 22:58.37 | vile_maxim | DrRighteous, I don't know what the problem is... but have you tried the 2.4 kernel... it's in the installer |
| 22:58.43 | Buck1 | What one do i get? |
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| 22:59.00 | shingoki | do I need to reconfigure some package to get to choose X stuff again? I'm sure I got it right, but I have only 800x600 res, on my 1280 panel |
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| 22:59.06 | vile_maxim | Buck1, net install shoudl do if your netowrk card is recognized |
| 22:59.07 | Buck1 | [ ] sarge-i386-1.jigdo 23-Nov-2004 21:23 197k |
| 22:59.09 | Buck1 | [ ] sarge-i386-2.jigdo 23-Nov-2004 21:23 235k |
| 22:59.16 | DrRighteous | vile_maxim: whats the kernel name, what do I type at the boot: |
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| 22:59.23 | valdyn | DrRighteous: try sarge, woody is from 2002 |
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| 22:59.35 | Buck1 | vile_maxim, it didn't get detected last time |
| 22:59.44 | DrRighteous | where do I get the latest sarge image with standard installer? |
| 22:59.45 | vile_maxim | DrRighteous, at boot, hit f3 I think it's bf24 |
| 22:59.46 | Starfury^ | anyone know when libgcc1 4.0 will be available on unstable, i see its available on experimental but i would prefer not to use that |
| 22:59.46 | valdyn | dpkg, d-i DrRighteous |
| 22:59.47 | dpkg | DrRighteous, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:00.30 | vile_maxim | valdyn, what if it's a production server...does srage have it's seritity updates yet? |
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| 23:01.15 | DrRighteous | downloading sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:01.26 | DrRighteous | what is diff between sid and sarge? |
| 23:01.48 | Starfury^ | sid is unstable |
| 23:01.50 | Starfury^ | sarge is testuing |
| 23:01.57 | Starfury^ | sarge is more stable than sid |
| 23:02.02 | _rene_ | Rawplayer: read this: www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:02.09 | _rene_ | "%§$("&(§& |
| 23:02.17 | _rene_ | DrRighteous: read this: www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:02.20 | _rene_ | Rawplayer: sorry |
| 23:03.00 | DrRighteous | bf24 seems to be working, but I'll try sarge first because I have 32 servers to install |
| 23:03.10 | DrRighteous | thanks guys, you're all great!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:03.39 | SlayerXP | DrRighteous: echo "sid" > one; echo "sarge" > two; diff one two |
| 23:03.40 | drasko | how to boot directly in gnome 2.8 and not in the text mode |
| 23:03.50 | cthulfuego | DrRighteous: Sarge and servers don't generally mix well. |
| 23:03.56 | jetscreamer | how do you get uid for a given username |
| 23:04.09 | SlayerXP | drasko: install a display manager such as GDM |
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| 23:04.15 | _rene_ | DrRighteous: note that sarge has no direct security support yet... |
| 23:04.29 | jetscreamer | actually it does but it's not full-fledged |
| 23:04.31 | DrRighteous | direct security? |
| 23:04.36 | indes | no unstable branch ever did |
| 23:04.46 | _rene_ | indes: unstable has partly |
| 23:04.49 | cthulfuego | DrRighteous: Sarge doesn't get security fixes. |
| 23:04.52 | _rene_ | indes: but sarge even later than unstable |
| 23:05.10 | Starfury^ | ah learn something new everyday |
| 23:05.18 | SlayerXP | _rene_: you appear to be talking bolloxks, kindly stop. |
| 23:05.19 | Starfury^ | where the codenames for debian releases came from |
| 23:05.19 | cthulfuego | DrRighteous: So if you need your servers to be secure, sarge is a no-no. |
| 23:05.21 | RichiH | DrRighteous: look at the 2.6 kernels too when you try sarge |
| 23:05.22 | SlayerXP | bollocks |
| 23:05.23 | indes | ?? |
| 23:05.24 | indes | partly? |
| 23:05.25 | _rene_ | indes: it can happen weeks for a fix to enter sarge :) |
| 23:05.35 | indes | How can it partly have security support? |
| 23:05.37 | _rene_ | SlayerXP: uh? the package maintainer uploads to sid |
| 23:05.42 | indes | have you been injecting crack into your brain? |
| 23:05.43 | DrRighteous | <--- loves 2.6 |
| 23:05.46 | indes | thats not security support |
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| 23:06.01 | _rene_ | indes: because sid is not done by the security team |
| 23:06.04 | indes | thats regular package updating to unstable. |
| 23:06.08 | bwalls | hi, i need nVidia drivers help |
| 23:06.11 | SlayerXP | _rene_: neither testing nor unstable have _any_ security guarantees, |
| 23:06.12 | _rene_ | indes: the package maintainers are responsible |
| 23:06.12 | jetscreamer | hey did nobody intelligent see my question? |
| 23:06.13 | _rene_ | indes: right |
| 23:06.14 | indes | _rene_, that totally .. nevermind, you appear to be really slow. |
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| 23:06.23 | _rene_ | indes: I never told security was guranteed |
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| 23:06.30 | cthulfuego | jetscreamer: Are you implying there are intelligent people reading this channel? |
| 23:06.40 | _rene_ | indes: I just said it has fixed faster than testing |
| 23:06.41 | jetscreamer | reading atm is the question |
| 23:06.42 | bender-rw | jetscreamer: id username |
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| 23:06.47 | jetscreamer | ah thanks |
| 23:06.47 | _rene_ | which OBVIOUSLY is right |
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| 23:06.59 | _rene_ | I *know* the system, I *developed* some security fixes |
| 23:07.06 | _rene_ | so please shut up |
| 23:07.08 | SlayerXP | _rene_: yet you make statments like "<_rene_> indes: it can happen weeks for a fix to enter sarge :)" |
| 23:07.16 | _rene_ | which is right |
| 23:07.20 | _rene_ | it can happen week |
| 23:07.21 | _rene_ | s |
| 23:07.24 | indes | _rene_, you contradicted yourself, |
| 23:07.33 | _rene_ | no, I didn't |
| 23:07.36 | samuel | anyone know of any unofficial packages for apache2 that are closer to the source code? |
| 23:07.37 | indes | you don't add security.debian.org to an unstable branch |
| 23:07.41 | indes | THATS security support |
| 23:07.45 | _rene_ | right. never said that |
| 23:07.52 | indes | 18:05:20:: _rene_ indes: unstable has partly |
| 23:08.02 | _rene_ | partly - BY the official maintainers |
| 23:08.03 | cthulfuego | samuel: Backport sid ones and cross your fingers when an apache2 bug hits. |
| 23:08.09 | stego | Where does Debian keep a list of modules to load at boot time? I want to prevent it from loading ehci_hcd... |
| 23:08.11 | _rene_ | the fixes are uploaded there |
| 23:08.20 | stego | Does discover/hotplug do all this? |
| 23:08.21 | _rene_ | after they were fixed for stable |
| 23:08.33 | indes | _rene_, That would be a package update, not necessarily securty updates for the end user specifically for security. |
| 23:08.34 | mtnman | stego: /etc/modules |
| 23:08.40 | indes | your definitions are skewed. |
| 23:08.41 | cthulfuego | stego: /etc/modutils or alternatively it might be loaded by 'hotplug' or 'discover'. |
| 23:08.43 | G400 | stego:yes, you are right |
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| 23:08.49 | cthulfuego | s/modutils/modules/ |
| 23:08.58 | _rene_ | indes: yes, but depending on the maintainer it can just be a update *only* for security. it depends |
| 23:09.22 | samuel | cthulfuego, i am on sid... but the config file is confusing... changes i do to httpd, or anything dont seem to work... the only changes that DO work break apache! |
| 23:09.23 | _rene_ | indes: I know how the system works. I it was bad at expressing me sorry. But I did some of those procedures myself, so... |
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| 23:09.52 | stego | So how do I blacklist ehci_hcd? |
| 23:09.54 | SlayerXP | _rene_: wrong. an exploit found for foo 1.1 may not apply for foo 1.6 |
| 23:10.06 | indes | _rene_, you very well may have, I really don't care what you did. if you can't express yourself don't tell me I'm incorrect. |
| 23:10.11 | cthulfuego | samuel: You only make small chanegs in httpd.conf. ANy sites you define in /etc/apache-2/sites-available/<confgifile> |
| 23:10.13 | Last | Can some give me a had with my sound card problem |
| 23:10.15 | _rene_ | and? how is that rlated to our discussion? |
| 23:10.21 | G400 | stego: look at discover.conf and hotplud.conf |
| 23:10.28 | SlayerXP | where foo 1.1 is the maintained "stable" release and foo 1.6 of the development delta |
| 23:10.34 | cthulfuego | samuel: Then run 'a2ensite' to enable it or 'a2dissite' to disable it. |
| 23:10.37 | stego | G400, ta |
| 23:10.42 | SlayerXP | of the == is the |
| 23:10.54 | cthulfuego | SlayerXP: false |
| 23:10.54 | _rene_ | SlayerXP: yes, can be. then it doesn't need to be fixed in 1.6 |
| 23:10.56 | indes | _rene_, must you troll on? |
| 23:11.04 | SlayerXP | cthulfuego: how so? |
| 23:11.07 | samuel | a2ensite? |
| 23:11.12 | cthulfuego | SlayerXP: of != is |
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| 23:11.15 | samuel | cthulfuego, a2ensite? |
| 23:11.18 | drasko | SlayerXP: Gnome works, only I have to write startx manually |
| 23:11.22 | samuel | cthulfuego, is that a command? |
| 23:11.27 | SlayerXP | <SlayerXP> of the == is the |
| 23:11.28 | cthulfuego | samuel: Did you read the apache2 docs AT ALL? |
| 23:11.29 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:11.41 | drasko | SlayerXP: I won't it to start automaticly at the boottime |
| 23:11.44 | cthulfuego | SlayerXP: Yes. That statement is false. |
| 23:12.08 | SlayerXP | cthulfuego: again, how so? |
| 23:12.09 | samuel | cthulfuego, not all of it... |
| 23:12.22 | _rene_ | indes: WTF am I trolling? |
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| 23:12.33 | Phated | You mean HTF. *ducks* |
| 23:12.42 | _rene_ | no. I mean w as in where |
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| 23:12.53 | Phated | On #debian, of course. |
| 23:12.55 | _rene_ | I want to have the line |
| 23:13.00 | Phated | *ducks further* |
| 23:13.03 | Last | hello? |
| 23:13.04 | _rene_ | ok, then probably how |
| 23:13.07 | indes | _rene_, me having to relate the retarded discussion to another discussion |
| 23:13.15 | _rene_ | no native speaker... |
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| 23:13.28 | SlayerXP | cthulfuego: either provide a valid argument, or admit you inferiority. I'm easy either way :) |
| 23:13.33 | SlayerXP | your |
| 23:13.57 | Phated | Woo, cheeeese. |
| 23:13.59 | cthulfuego | SlayerXP: I was half way through typing my explanation when I decided it just wasn't worth it. |
| 23:14.29 | drasko | SlayerXP: dont I have gdm if i can staert gnome with the startx command? |
| 23:14.40 | SlayerXP | drasko: no |
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| 23:14.56 | SlayerXP | or rather, no neccesarily |
| 23:15.01 | SlayerXP | not |
| 23:15.11 | drasko | SlayerXP: Allthough I wrote apt-get install gnome? |
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| 23:15.59 | aphisone | where do I find the booy log |
| 23:16.02 | cthulfuego | drasko: being able to start gnome via startx has NOTHING to do with whether you have gdm or not. it just emans you have X and gnome. |
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| 23:16.16 | aphisone | *boot |
| 23:16.17 | cthulfuego | aphisone: dmesg > boot.log; less boot.log |
| 23:16.40 | SlayerXP | drasko: apt-get will install what you _need_ not what you want. you can run gnome from a remote terminal without ever having a X session running from the machine itself. |
| 23:16.43 | drasko | cthulfuego && SlayerXP : Thanks a lo! |
| 23:16.54 | Phated | cthulfuego: Why not just dmesg | less? |
| 23:16.55 | drasko | lot |
| 23:17.25 | SlayerXP | Phated: stop being half my age. immediately. |
| 23:17.26 | samuel | cthulfuego, all you have to do is make a symlink to the sites-enabled and restart apache, dont have to use a2encite |
| 23:17.43 | Phated | SlayerXP: Hmmmmmm? Are you 34, then? |
| 23:18.10 | SlayerXP | 31 actuallt |
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| 23:18.17 | SlayerXP | 31 actuallY |
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| 23:18.20 | samlander | greetings |
| 23:18.21 | Phated | Well, then I'm more than half your age. :) |
| 23:18.25 | SlayerXP | you're not 18 |
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| 23:18.48 | Phated | No, I'm 17, which you'd know if you'd done 34/2. |
| 23:18.51 | samlander | question: what group does my user account need to be apart of to access parport0? or how do i set the perms on parport0 so that my useraccount can write to it? |
| 23:18.56 | Buck1 | I'm younger D: |
| 23:18.57 | Phated | Well... I will be 17 this year. :D |
| 23:19.02 | Phated | Buck1: So? |
| 23:19.05 | SlayerXP | aaah |
| 23:19.10 | Buck1 | ...win! XD |
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| 23:19.27 | Phated | Not really. I'm a girl. |
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| 23:19.39 | Buck1 | So i lose? |
| 23:19.45 | Phated | Mostly. |
| 23:19.58 | paulswm | Phated: according to BC you are only 31.48% of my age |
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| 23:20.02 | paulswm | s/BC/bc/ |
| 23:20.04 | SlayerXP | Phated: I'm old and I know how to drive a jetski, so neeeer |
| 23:20.14 | aphisone | cthulfuego, I am looking to view the data that gets displayed before X starts up... how would I do that? |
| 23:20.19 | Phated | SlayerXP: I'm young and know how to skate and speak Chinese, so nenenener. |
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| 23:20.31 | Phated | paulswm: I believe we're quite aware of that. |
| 23:20.43 | Phated | aphisone: You want the X log, then. |
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| 23:20.53 | Buck1 | I want to learn Japanese |
| 23:20.55 | SlayerXP | Phated: but I look good doing so, so nernernenrnenrnenenrnnenrnrnenrnr |
| 23:21.00 | Buck1 | Java before Japanese though @D |
| 23:21.01 | Phated | Pft. Japanese. |
| 23:21.07 | ws[7c0] | i'm so old, when i was young digital processors used buckets to transfer bits |
| 23:21.09 | jcole | lol |
| 23:21.11 | SlayerXP | Phated: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p1486904.html |
| 23:21.13 | Phated | SlayerXP: I've been to exotic locations! :) |
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| 23:21.27 | SlayerXP | Phated: so have I :) |
| 23:21.32 | Phated | SlayerXP: Name them! |
| 23:21.33 | Buck1 | I went Spain |
| 23:21.35 | samlander | Phated: ok then, you show me anime that's natively in chinese |
| 23:21.35 | paulswm | I'm so old we used to carry floating point in buckets |
| 23:21.41 | deanrantala | I am considering a choice between Slack and Debian on my Poweredge 6350 (server) and just wanted to ask if Debian is really "debianfied" with stuff like building kernels, configuring services and stuff like that..? Cause I don;t think I will have time to re-learn a new way of hacking every script on my box.. |
| 23:21.49 | SlayerXP | Phated: London |
| 23:22.02 | Phated | samlander: Why the fuck would I do that, and why the heck do I care what -you- think of my language? I speak Chinese natively. |
| 23:22.06 | Phated | SlayerXP: Seoul. |
| 23:22.06 | samlander | deanrantala: i use deb on my smp server... it kicks ;) |
| 23:22.21 | samlander | Phated: im not dissin your language so chill. |
| 23:22.21 | SlayerXP | Phated: Hell |
| 23:22.26 | jcole | deanrantala: debian.org will answer all questions |
| 23:22.32 | aphisone | Phated, I looking for the data that gets displayed after grub and before X starts |
| 23:22.34 | Phated | SlayerXP: Your butt's waving. That's not looking good. :) |
| 23:22.37 | samlander | Phated: they are both difficult to learn for a white guy like me |
| 23:22.41 | deanrantala | I am recovering from YaST hell here - I do not need another distrofied system.. lol |
| 23:22.44 | Last | IS there any one that can walk me through a sound card problem? |
| 23:22.55 | Phated | aphisone: Soo... You have a dm. No idea where that gets logged, sorry. |
| 23:22.56 | ws[7c0] | Phated: i work @ chinese food place, i'm trying to learn mandarin.. it's tough to go from english --> mandarin |
| 23:22.56 | SlayerXP | Phated: seriously, I been to hell. want to see a pic? |
| 23:22.58 | deanrantala | Last - alsaconf |
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| 23:23.05 | samlander | deanrantala: i've had no problems using either the packaging system or building with make thus far |
| 23:23.08 | carrett_ | hi. i have a linksys router and i periodically can't connect to 192.168.0.1 (my modem) and therefore the internet...is there a reason my router loses connection to the modem or is it just because linksys makes shitty routers? |
| 23:23.11 | Last | or help me update my op |
| 23:23.23 | Phated | ws[7c0]: <shrug> Speaking it natively means I can drop back and forth easily, but heck, I flunked Chinese. :) |
| 23:23.28 | Phated | samlander: Yeah! :) |
| 23:23.35 | paulswm | I've been to hell too, but I was only in Glasgow for a short visit |
| 23:23.38 | SlayerXP | Phated: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p2795528.html |
| 23:23.41 | Phated | Er, that was to SlayerXP. |
| 23:23.49 | ws[7c0] | Phated: do u speak cantonese or mandarin? (which one is easiest to learn?) |
| 23:23.52 | Phated | samlander: Well, wonderful, really. |
| 23:24.23 | Phated | ws[7c0]: I speak Mandarin and a little Hokkien. I think Mandarin is easier, from a vocal point of view. They're both nasty buggers to learn in writing. |
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| 23:24.47 | Phated | SlayerXP: That's not hell. |
| 23:25.01 | SlayerXP | Phated: yes it is. is says so. |
| 23:25.10 | SlayerXP | it |
| 23:25.26 | ws[7c0] | yeah, i hear writing them is a total memory work (500 some odd basic characters == equivalent of hello world) |
| 23:25.26 | Phated | SlayerXP: It says Gran Canaria - Africat. That's not hell. |
| 23:25.26 | samlander | anyway: i cant remember ... how would i go about creating a group called 'printing', giving write perms to printing for the device /dev/parport0 ? |
| 23:25.41 | aphisone | would anyone know where I would find all the data that gets displayed after grub and before X starts? |
| 23:25.49 | Phated | samlander: addgroup, chmod, chown. |
| 23:25.53 | Phated | In order. |
| 23:25.56 | samlander | phated: thanks doll |
| 23:25.59 | jcole | deanrantala: if you don't want distrofication, use LFS, otherwise deal with debian specific tools |
| 23:26.06 | Phated | FUCK IT DO NOT CALL ME SOMETHING LIKE "DOLL". |
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| 23:26.17 | asuffield | Phated: and you have the unfair advantage of knowing how to recognise Han characters. it is an utter bitch to do from scratch |
| 23:26.17 | samlander | wow |
| 23:26.21 | samlander | my bad |
| 23:26.27 | SlayerXP | Phated: sure thing, babyface |
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| 23:26.38 | asuffield | okay, now we know how to yank Phated's chain |
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| 23:26.44 | Phated | asuffield: Actually, no. I flunked chinese. ie... I did a -very- bad job recognising characters. |
| 23:26.46 | monica | ola |
| 23:26.57 | Phated | asuffield: I did however get a Merit in my verbal. :) |
| 23:27.03 | Phated | SlayerXP: *narrows eyes* |
| 23:27.08 | monica | hello |
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| 23:27.17 | Phated | asuffield: 's still an utter bitch, though. |
| 23:27.22 | jcole | "i missed it, do it again" - patrick |
| 23:27.37 | Phated | From Coupling? I -love- that show. |
| 23:27.42 | peppo | I added a ttf font directory to /etc/fonts/local.conf, and defoma is managing my fonts. how do I make defoma/pango/X aware of the new fonts? |
| 23:27.59 | Last | can some give me the directions to access my cdrom and update Debian from2.2 to 2.6 (that I have on cd) |
| 23:28.00 | asuffield | (I've done a few informal studies; untrained westerners *cannot* look at two non-identical Han/Kanji characters and tell if they are the same character) |
| 23:28.43 | Phated | asuffield: I can't either. :) |
| 23:28.51 | asuffield | Phated: okay, you just suck |
| 23:28.53 | Phated | Wait... non-identical? |
| 23:28.59 | ^c | untrained westerners don't even know what han and kanji are either |
| 23:29.02 | Phated | How would they not know they weren't the same? |
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| 23:29.10 | asuffield | Phated: as in, have two different people draw the same character |
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| 23:29.16 | Phated | Ohhhh. |
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| 23:29.22 | Phated | Pft, I can do that. :) |
| 23:29.37 | peppo | how do I add font directories with defoma? |
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| 23:29.59 | paulswm | !blame Phated |
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| 23:30.04 | asuffield | people who aren't used to reading them can't. interestingly, the ability to read and recall the significant details is a learned skill |
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| 23:30.13 | Phated | Wouldn't you know. |
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| 23:30.22 | paulswm | :D |
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| 23:30.29 | asuffield | it doesn't show up with the latin alphabet, 'cause it's so simple |
| 23:30.37 | vulture | asuffield: skills that you can learn? what will they think of next. |
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| 23:30.46 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 23:30.56 | ws[7c0] | !blame Satan |
| 23:31.06 | ws[7c0] | ooh, neat. |
| 23:31.13 | peppo | does anyone have a clue how to make X/defoma aware of new fonts? |
| 23:31.20 | peppo | does one add them to /etc/fonts/local.conf? |
| 23:31.44 | Phated | Isn't there something you can add in your X config to point it to new fonts? Under FontDir or something? |
| 23:31.59 | Phated | Well, wonky capitalisation on that, but just look in there and see. |
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| 23:32.25 | peppo | Phated, I shouldn't have to use X11 config, I recall |
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| 23:32.53 | Phated | peppo: In that case, I have no flippin' clue. Read more defoma docs, I guess. |
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| 23:33.11 | carrett_ | will someone kick carrett, i'm the real carrett. i was connected as carrett, then i disconnected, and i don't know why i'm still connected? |
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| 23:33.40 | Phated | carrett_: Did you register the nickname carrett? |
| 23:33.42 | pingouin | defoma supose 2 do that for U |
| 23:33.44 | pingouin | peppo: |
| 23:33.47 | carrett_ | Phated: yes. |
| 23:33.58 | pingouin | if you apt-get install fonts |
| 23:34.00 | Phated | carrett_: /msg nickserv ghost carrett <your password> will kill him. |
| 23:34.10 | peppo | pingouin, ehm.... |
| 23:34.18 | ws[7c0] | would big endian be [bigger bytes] --> [lower bytes] or [lower bytes] --> [bigger bytes] |
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| 23:34.21 | peppo | do it for me? |
| 23:34.27 | pingouin | peppo: WHAT is defoma ? |
| 23:34.32 | peppo | pingouin, debian font manager |
| 23:34.33 | carrett | Phated: thanks! |
| 23:34.36 | Phated | DEbian FOnt MAnager. |
| 23:34.40 | Phated | carrett: Anytime. |
| 23:35.58 | peppo | hm! |
| 23:36.13 | peppo | but I previously added /usr/share/fonts/truetype2 to /etc/fonts/local.conf, and it worked! |
| 23:36.21 | Phated | Well, do it again? |
| 23:36.21 | peppo | I added a new ttf dir, and it doesn't register |
| 23:36.39 | Phated | Wouldn't you need to like... restart X or something? |
| 23:36.44 | peppo | ehm no |
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| 23:36.48 | peppo | some daemon |
| 23:36.51 | Phated | OK. |
| 23:37.29 | peppo | this is shamefully obscure |
| 23:37.49 | stego | Hmph, why does my usb camera only show up when root does 'lsusb'? |
| 23:38.36 | Phated | Show up, in what sense? You should be able to mount it as a device, no? Or open it in gtkam or somesuch? |
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| 23:38.58 | TNKS | hello. I have a question about which package is responsible for managing my /media directory. |
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| 23:39.34 | peppo | so no one knows the proper way to add fonts in debian using gnome? |
| 23:39.45 | Rawplayer | nope |
| 23:39.53 | Phated | Guess not. |
| 23:39.57 | penguin | libgnomeaddfonts |
| 23:40.04 | penguin | Just kidding |
| 23:40.05 | TNKS | Most of the files in /media seem to have been automatically configured on installation, but for some reason a /cdrom0 directory gets removed everytime the system is rebooted. . . |
| 23:40.18 | TNKS | any pointers? |
| 23:40.28 | penguin | You dont have any fonts? |
| 23:41.26 | MobyTurbo | TNKS: I don't think Debian has /media. Are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 23:41.32 | penguin | What is /cdrom0? |
| 23:41.36 | TNKS | MobyTurbo, I'm more than sure. |
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| 23:41.56 | penguin | What are you trying to do? |
| 23:42.06 | Zap-W | yes, it's something from hotplug i thinlk |
| 23:42.36 | penguin | Is Sarge still testing? |
| 23:42.42 | dvs | penguin: yes |
| 23:42.46 | MobyTurbo | penguin: /topic |
| 23:42.52 | TNKS | Zap-W, where you directing the hotplug comment to me? |
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| 23:43.41 | websdale | MobyTurbo: Sarge has /media , cdrom0 etc. |
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| 23:43.59 | jetscreamer | discover has /media, cdrom0, etc |
| 23:44.08 | MobyTurbo | ah. I'm not using discover. |
| 23:44.20 | TNKS | Okay, so it sounds like some of you guys are familiar with the /media setup. Does anybody know where it's configured. |
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| 23:44.26 | stego | Why would lsusb give a different output for root? |
| 23:44.29 | jetscreamer | discover afaik |
| 23:44.34 | penguin | Im doing search for cdrom0, but what do you want it for? |
| 23:44.40 | jetscreamer | or fstab |
| 23:44.55 | TNKS | It just got to be a little annoying to have to sudo mkdir /media/cdrom0 everytime I want to use the device. |
| 23:44.59 | websdale | jetscreamer: ha, I just thought it was a new standard :) |
| 23:45.21 | penguin | That wont make a device |
| 23:45.22 | jetscreamer | TNKS, apt-get remove --purge discover cures that |
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| 23:45.42 | TNKS | hmm, is discover good for anything? |
| 23:45.52 | TNKS | would it be better to configure discover? |
| 23:45.55 | jetscreamer | TNKS, or dpkg-reconfigure discover and tell it not to manage mount points |
| 23:45.59 | penguin | devices are in /dev |
| 23:46.04 | risky | Hello all, can someone explain how gnome (2.8) binds aplications to file types (MIME) please? (besides the right-click "Open With" tab in nautilus). I'm trying to update many file types and using that aproach would take too long, thanks for the help in advance (asked in #gnome, nobody in #gnome-debian) |
| 23:46.11 | penguin | I have no /cdrom0 |
| 23:46.21 | directhex | risky, irc.gimp.org #gnome |
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| 23:46.37 | risky | Crap |
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| 23:47.25 | penguin | TNKS: What is it you are trying to do? |
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| 23:47.30 | MobyTurbo | risky: while you're here, is programming gtk2 a lot different than gtk1? |
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| 23:48.04 | risky | I have no idea |
| 23:48.13 | TNKS | penguin, just trying to get discover to understand that I have a cdr device on this laptop. |
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| 23:48.33 | risky | Never touched gtk1 |
| 23:48.34 | TNKS | I just found /etc/discover.conf, so I'm going to check that out. . . |
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| 23:48.51 | xnotte | i've "gunzip -d file.tgz" but now it decompress a file.tar, how can i decompress .tar ? |
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| 23:49.01 | caphuso | xnotte: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 23:49.23 | penguin | Apparently gnome associates filetypes using the suffix. .doc for example |
| 23:49.50 | DrRighteous | ok, I got debian (woody) installed, but after boot Im getting "ide2: unexpected interrupt, status=0xd0, count=1848".. ide2 is the SATA controller |
| 23:49.51 | penguin | use tar xvzf file.tar.gz |
| 23:49.55 | zinx | i'd imagine it can do mime types too |
| 23:50.28 | caphuso | # ls -ld ~/.gnome/mime-info |
| 23:50.28 | caphuso | drwxr-xr-x 2 caphuso caphuso 4096 Dec 4 2003 /home/caphuso/.gnome/mime-info/ |
| 23:50.34 | caphuso | don't ask how to use that |
| 23:50.36 | MobyTurbo | DrRighteous: woody's kernels don't support SATA as far as I know. |
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| 23:50.44 | directhex | !tell DrRighteous about woody harwdare support |
| 23:50.46 | guestish | woody is ollddd |
| 23:50.51 | penguin | once gunzipped then xvf file.tar |
| 23:50.53 | directhex | !tell DrRighteous about woody hardware support |
| 23:50.56 | DrRighteous | hehe, so upgrade your saying ;) |
| 23:51.09 | Phated | We have a saying? |
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| 23:51.20 | penguin | What is SATA? |
| 23:51.21 | gboutwell | I have Debian testing, I'm updated/upgraded and it says their are no more packages to upgrade, but when I go to compile the linux kernel I get an error from gcc installation problem, could not execute cc1: file or direcotry does not exist |
| 23:51.37 | caphuso | penguin: have you lived on the mars the last two years? |
| 23:51.44 | MobyTurbo | penguin: Serial ATA. Another alleged reason for not using SCSI on a server. |
| 23:51.44 | dvs | !tell gboutwell about b-e |
| 23:51.46 | directhex | !b-e gboutwell |
| 23:51.46 | dpkg | gboutwell: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:51.51 | guestish | gboutwell: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:52.03 | guestish | gboutwell: debian does not come with gcc by defaul |
| 23:52.07 | guestish | default |
| 23:52.17 | gboutwell | guestish: It is installed, I've reinstalled it and I still get this error |
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| 23:52.36 | guestish | gboutwell: there is more than just gcc for building a kernel |
| 23:52.38 | Phated | gboutwell: Install build-essential, it'll fix anything else that might be missing. |
| 23:52.40 | guestish | gboutwell: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:52.43 | darkcmd | what programming language is the debian installer written in? |
| 23:52.46 | directhex | penguin, at the moment it's IDE with better cabling. technically the spec supports large chunks of what SCSI can do for none of the cost, and drives are beginning to reflect it, e.g. 10,000RPM western digital disks |
| 23:53.30 | gboutwell | guestish: dpkg -l | grep build-essential: ii build-essentia 10.1 infomrational list of build-essential paacka |
| 23:53.33 | MobyTurbo | directhex: that's sweet. |
| 23:53.54 | guestish | gboutwell: hum, and what gcc version is this? |
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| 23:54.05 | penguin | What are you doing to compile the kernel? |
| 23:54.13 | penguin | WHat command? |
| 23:54.22 | guestish | i hope its make-kpkg |
| 23:54.33 | gboutwell | guestish: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) |
| 23:54.43 | guestish | gboutwell: that looks good |
| 23:54.56 | gboutwell | guestish: apt-get install build-essential build-essential is already newest version |
| 23:55.06 | guestish | gboutwell: answer penguin's question :) |
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| 23:55.25 | gboutwell | penguin make vmlinuz |
| 23:55.27 | caphuso | gboutwell: install libncurses5-dev and try again |
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| 23:55.31 | penguin | If you have that yoiu should be able to compile the kernel, you are doing sometheing else wrong |
| 23:55.31 | guestish | gboutwell: wrong command |
| 23:55.34 | guestish | gboutwell: use make-kpkg |
| 23:55.36 | ryo_san | hi |
| 23:55.40 | caphuso | gboutwell: ah, no, then it's something else |
| 23:55.52 | gboutwell | guestish: Not for this kernel compile... It's not a kernel compile for debian per se |
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| 23:56.01 | guestish | gboutwell: hmm? |
| 23:56.05 | bwalls | how do i delete the vesafb module running in my kernel? |
| 23:56.12 | guestish | gboutwell: well if its a cross-compile that might be your problem |
| 23:56.29 | doub | hi there |
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| 23:57.16 | doub | bwalls: i bet you can't |
| 23:57.16 | guestish | gboutwell: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:57.19 | gboutwell | guestish: it's a compile for the same architecture (ie i386), but I can't seem to compil eanything |
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| 23:57.29 | gboutwell | guestish, I'm trying to compile coLinux |
| 23:57.29 | doub | bwalls: unless you manage to close all virtual terminals using it |
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| 23:58.01 | gboutwell | guestish: basically a vanilla 2.6.10 kernel with the coLInux patch |
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| 23:58.06 | strubbel | when mozilla or some other app makes a tcp connection does the app select its source port itself or is it assigned to the app by the kernel which takes care of conflicts? |
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| 23:58.16 | ryo_O | hi there |
| 23:58.44 | guestish | gboutwell: and this is on a real debian sarge install? |
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| 23:58.59 | gboutwell | guestish: I've tried to build an cross binutils, which I could compile before on this same install... and now it fails to guess what the host is (I've done some digging) and it appears compiler related as to why it doesn't work. |
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| 23:59.06 | bwalls | is there a way i can recompile my kernel to do it? |
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| 23:59.26 | guestish | gboutwell: cross compiles are tricky, wouldnt know what to do |
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