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| 00:00.22 | happyhobo | i'm so nervous that after all that my video cars will still have issues |
| 00:00.25 | jethro | I gotta know what drambuie first :) |
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| 00:00.31 | jethro | drambuie mean even |
| 00:00.43 | thingfish | it's a scotch based liqueur. |
| 00:01.04 | thingfish | flavored with honey and herbs |
| 00:01.09 | jethro | never heard of it before |
| 00:01.11 | WiFiTux | peterS, can hdparm -S 1 /dev/hda could broke the hdd? it will go standby every 5 seconds, I mean, and it bork it? |
| 00:01.18 | thingfish | it's very nice |
| 00:01.28 | jethro | I ll look for some at the shop then :) |
| 00:01.30 | peterS | WiFiTux: you don't want a hard drive to spin up and spin down *too* often. they're not designed for that. |
| 00:01.39 | jethro | let's hope they sell it in frnce |
| 00:02.14 | WiFiTux | peterS, so every 10 min? 20? |
| 00:02.36 | thingfish | oh surely they do, it's one of those "required" liqueurs like benedictine or kahlua |
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| 00:02.53 | peterS | WiFiTux: the important thing is to make sure that your disk accesses are clustered such that it won't spin back up right away. yeah, I'd say 10 minutes is reasonable, assuming you're taking other measures for this, like mounting partitions with the 'noatime' flag |
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| 00:03.10 | WiFiTux | noatime? |
| 00:03.14 | peterS | WiFiTux: man 8 mount |
| 00:03.16 | WiFiTux | /etc/fstab |
| 00:03.19 | peterS | yeah |
| 00:03.19 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 00:03.22 | WiFiTux | ok... |
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| 00:04.06 | happyhobo | what does corrupt vesa on start up mean i have that no matter what i choose then undefined mode, i make a choice, tried all before and always same issue |
| 00:04.12 | peterS | WiFiTux: the theory is that every time you read a file, its inode is updated with the current time for "last access time". this causes disk writes. disk *reads* often come from cache, but disk writes have to eventually hit the disk. 'noatime' suppresses the "last access time" field being updated |
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| 00:05.04 | WiFiTux | peterS, if it gets rebooted, it doesn't matter? /dev/hda1/mnt/cvfatdefaults,noatime00 |
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| 00:05.20 | peterS | WiFiTux: oh, vfat doesn't have an atime field anyway, so you don't need it for that one |
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| 00:05.59 | happyhobo | first off what is a vesa? |
| 00:06.09 | WiFiTux | peterS, oh yeah, my bad... |
| 00:06.18 | grendal_prime | ok next question..anyone using a virtual server ...ie several machines that appear as one? |
| 00:06.35 | peterS | WiFiTux: well, you didn't know. but anyway, yeah, noatime isn't useful for vfat |
| 00:06.41 | grendal_prime | a cluster i would call it..but the pkg refers to it as a "virtual server" |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | s390? |
| 00:07.00 | abrotman | !tell maeglin_artarin about away |
| 00:07.13 | WiFiTux | peterS, I got confused with the line... how about /dev/hda6/ext3errors=remount-ro,noatime01 ? |
| 00:07.26 | peterS | WiFiTux: yeah. *that* is useful. |
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| 00:07.35 | happyhobo | will debian sarge have a problem with my vesa? |
| 00:07.36 | WiFiTux | peterS, addind it now... thanks |
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| 00:07.46 | WiFiTux | happyhobo, no |
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| 00:09.01 | BhaalWK | Okey, whats the package that gets JVM installed? |
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| 00:09.11 | happyhobo | everything else says it's corrupt, i don't even know what a vesa is. I know Visa though, i have two of them maxed and defaulted |
| 00:09.13 | resiak | happyhobo: I won't have a problem with your Visa either ;) |
| 00:09.17 | WiFiTux | !tell BhaalWK about java |
| 00:09.22 | BhaalWK | danke |
| 00:09.41 | happyhobo | resiak: yes you will. lol |
| 00:10.15 | happyhobo | what does undefined mode number mean? |
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| 00:11.03 | WiFiTux | peterS, thanks... |
| 00:11.03 | happyhobo | not meaning to badger merely seeking knowledge |
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| 00:13.53 | happyhobo | thingfish: you've been very helpful. thanks. what is a vesa and how can it be corrupted? |
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| 00:15.13 | happyhobo | is my computer defective? |
| 00:15.26 | abrotman | oh yes |
| 00:15.57 | happyhobo | abrotman: oh yes sounds sarcastic |
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| 00:16.41 | MajorPoopyPants | how do I setuid root on an app? |
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| 00:17.08 | abrotman | happyhobo: oh yes |
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| 00:17.26 | mikkele | MajorPoopyPants, chown root; chmod +s, but it's generally a bad idea |
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| 00:17.42 | MajorPoopyPants | hmmm |
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| 00:17.48 | MajorPoopyPants | excrement |
| 00:17.50 | happyhobo | abrotman: what's vesa? |
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| 00:19.05 | abrotman | !vesa |
| 00:19.06 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | not the best definition .. but oh well |
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| 00:20.33 | MajorPoopyPants | gee I sure do miss trolling on the christian channels. |
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| 00:20.45 | happyhobo | how can it be corrupt on every os? will Debian take care of this? OH SHit! sounds really bad |
| 00:21.09 | happyhobo | no wonder I have screen problems |
| 00:21.17 | BhaalWK | Ey, whats better for debian, J2SE 1.4.2 or J2SE 5.0? |
| 00:21.43 | MajorPoopyPants | I use 5.0 and cant tell any difference between the two |
| 00:21.58 | MajorPoopyPants | cept maybe the logo that pops up when an applet is being loaded |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | Bhaal: does your app require java5? |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | Bhaal: supposedly 5 is faster .. up to you |
| 00:22.21 | happyhobo | XP doesn't see it as corrupt though, great now I'm confused and worried |
| 00:22.29 | BhaalWK | abrotman: No idea what it requires, should look at that I spose... |
| 00:22.44 | grendal_prime | grrrrrr clustering cant be this difficult |
| 00:22.46 | abrotman | probably |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | grendal_prime: which kind? |
| 00:23.10 | grendal_prime | well parrallel? |
| 00:23.14 | directhex | grendal_prime, clustering is SUPPOSED to be difficult. keeps me employed... |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | computational? |
| 00:23.24 | grendal_prime | well basically i have a shitload of pent 200s |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | directhex: did you want to chat with that MPI guy? |
| 00:23.34 | directhex | abrotman, nah |
| 00:23.35 | grendal_prime | would like to put them together.... |
| 00:23.37 | abrotman | directhex: you sure? |
| 00:23.41 | BhaalWK | abrotman: Bah.. 1.3.x and 1.4.x ... I want it to be the faster one damn it.. But I better not go outside the specs, its CC processing software from the bank |
| 00:23.47 | happyhobo | abrotman: all linux distros before have said this will Debian see the same thing? |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | directhex: he came in here .. earlier .. thought you might like to talk shop :) |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | Bhaal: good plan(think security too) |
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| 00:24.14 | grendal_prime | you know..dink around with them ...now openmosix is supposed to be relatively simple...but...it requires 2.4.17 kernel patch |
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| 00:24.15 | directhex | abrotman, i get enough of it during the week. ask directhex|work |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | happyhobo: said what? |
| 00:24.18 | kingsley | What's a good way to convert all of a big postscript file to pdf? (ps2pdf14 just converted a corner to pdf.) |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | directhex|work: do you want to talk to him? :) |
| 00:24.30 | directhex | grendal_prime, boot clusterknoppix |
| 00:24.37 | resiak | abrotman: Damn you, you type too fast. =) |
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| 00:24.42 | abrotman | resiak: why? |
| 00:24.44 | directhex | abrotman, nah, i'd just say 'i hate solaris & redhat' until he left |
| 00:24.51 | abrotman | directhex: he'd agree :) |
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| 00:25.01 | happyhobo | abrotman: corrupt vesa, undefined mode |
| 00:25.09 | grendal_prime | hmm...you work with alot of clusters? |
| 00:25.09 | abrotman | happyhobo: what video card? |
| 00:25.24 | grendal_prime | directhex, that is...what you would use in my situation? |
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| 00:25.31 | happyhobo | intel extreme graphics 845 gl/ge/gv |
| 00:25.44 | abrotman | what's wrong with regular X? |
| 00:25.46 | grendal_prime | that graphix card sucks by the way |
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| 00:25.55 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i like my 830M |
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| 00:26.13 | abrotman | grendal_prime: but it's a laptop .. and i didn't get a choice :) |
| 00:26.18 | resiak | abrotman: I was typing a similar message to directhex|work ... |
| 00:26.24 | abrotman | resiak: oh ... |
| 00:26.29 | grendal_prime | my laptop has 815 or something like that |
| 00:26.32 | resiak | abrotman: But I figure it was your line anyway ;) |
| 00:26.36 | directhex | grendal_prime, as just wanting to toy with clustering with commodity hardware, yes, i'd suggest using clusterknoppix |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | resiak: they're all mine :) |
| 00:26.48 | grendal_prime | i have to use the 810 driver for it... |
| 00:26.49 | happyhobo | abrotman: x has issues apparently |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | happyhobo: why? i thought it was supported in X4.3 ? |
| 00:27.05 | grendal_prime | it works...but...well i cant complain the laptop was cheep |
| 00:27.28 | grendal_prime | oky doky on the cluster knoppix directhex thanks |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | http://xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status17.html#17 |
| 00:27.55 | grendal_prime | just because im currious...and i have already two identical working debian machines right now |
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| 00:28.12 | bjay | I am trying to install debian on an old laptop that doesn't boot from cd-rom. It has Win98 on it. Isn't there a tool that will tell win98 to boot from cd-rom? |
| 00:28.14 | grendal_prime | is ipvs similar to knoppix clustering kerne? |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | bjay: use boot floppies |
| 00:28.32 | abrotman | !boot floppies |
| 00:28.32 | dpkg | from memory, bootfloppies is ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current Unex found this asskicking URL: http://www.physik.tu-cottbus.de/~george/ |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | !boot floppy |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | hmm |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | ah well |
| 00:28.43 | happyhobo | abrotman: all distros do the same, say that and most give me a 640 by 480 centered screen but the apps are 1024 and unusable |
| 00:28.47 | grendal_prime | or i mean is ipvs "IP Virtual Server" anything like clustering? |
| 00:29.01 | bjay | abrotman: So that is my only option? |
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| 00:29.29 | Omnix | bjay: there's nothing at the OS level that could make it boot from a CD that I'm aware of |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | bjay: no .. if it can boot from USB .. you have another option :) |
| 00:30.01 | happyhobo | after much derision, trolling and reading info Debian is the answer but only if it gives me full screen without blue vertical lines |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | happyhobo: so it doesn't work? |
| 00:30.28 | bjay | abrotman: No USB. I will create the boot floppies then. Thanks. |
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| 00:30.36 | happyhobo | still downloading |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | bjay: it's probablyt the easiest option .. to use the floppies i mean |
| 00:30.58 | resiak | bjay: If you were feeling masochistic, you might be able to install grub from win98... ;) |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | oh yay :) |
| 00:31.17 | resiak | bjay: Although I doubt that grub can chainload a CD... |
| 00:31.42 | happyhobo | abrotman: mepis rc2 with gnome 2.6.1 that took me 36 hours to download everything |
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| 00:32.05 | abrotman | happyhobo: huh? |
| 00:32.06 | Tabitha | hmm. |
| 00:32.16 | exobyte | anyone have any expierences with lugging around laptops? I'm wondering what a good weight is |
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| 00:32.33 | dimitri | oh no english :( |
| 00:32.36 | Tabitha | since x can't seem to handle my video card properly in testing.:( |
| 00:32.42 | bjay | I have another question about getting my cdrw working with sarge on my desktop. the /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup file says to add a line to my /etc/lilo.conf file but I use grub. What is the grub version of /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 00:32.45 | happyhobo | I'm so scared I'm going to format all of that and find debian has the screen issues |
| 00:32.57 | resiak | bjay: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:32.58 | directhex | Tabitha, x in testing has pretty mcuh all the xorg drivers backported |
| 00:33.17 | resiak | bjay: man grub when you get the chance |
| 00:33.23 | bjay | resiak: ok, thanks. |
| 00:33.31 | Tabitha | directhex: unfortunately, an ati all in wonder radeon 7200 pci card won't direct render no matter what I do :( |
| 00:33.34 | Omnix | exobyte: my Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook 1020 is a shade under 3kg, I wouldn't want anything heavier |
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| 00:34.04 | directhex | Tabitha, at that end of the scale, does it matter? |
| 00:34.14 | Omnix | exobyte: there are some nice little palmtop/laptop type things (the ones I've seen were Fujitsu-Siemens again) which are extremely light and handy... awkward keyboard though |
| 00:34.21 | Tabitha | directhex: significantly, yes |
| 00:34.38 | Tabitha | directhex: windows "feels" about 30,000 faster than gnome. |
| 00:35.00 | directhex | Tabitha, how much RAM do you have? |
| 00:35.13 | Tabitha | the max capacity of this computer--384 megs |
| 00:35.18 | bjay | resiak: yes, I see it in the man page. |
| 00:35.35 | Omnix | exobyte: surprisingly, they run Linux fine, seen both Debian and SuSE running on them |
| 00:35.41 | exobyte | Omnix: I'm thinking about a normal ibm one |
| 00:35.41 | resiak | bjay: =) |
| 00:36.00 | Tabitha | DRI's troubleshooting page suggests that the error I'm getting is related to the incorrect opengl drivers being used |
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| 00:36.17 | Omnix | exobyte: the ones I've used are a decent weight - I found a rucksack that fitted mine and makes it a lot easier to carry |
| 00:36.29 | bjay | Another question, this time it is about Gnome. How can I get the windows to "snap" (if you know what I mean)? |
| 00:36.40 | Omnix | exobyte: IBM ones are usually slim and light, Dells are rather chunky |
| 00:37.03 | exobyte | Omnix: ruckshack? |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | exobyte: i have a G40 .. about 8lbs |
| 00:37.08 | resiak | !feed abrotman |
| 00:37.14 | resiak | Ahem... |
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| 00:37.16 | abrotman | !cook abrotman |
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| 00:37.18 | resiak | !pancake abrotman |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | :( |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:37.29 | resiak | !tea abrotman |
| 00:37.29 | Tabitha | directhex: libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so failed |
| 00:37.29 | Tabitha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.31 | Omnix | exobyte: rucksack... er.. backpack? |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | eww |
| 00:37.37 | resiak | !coffee abrotman |
| 00:37.40 | exobyte | abrotman: that's getting close to a shuttle |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | ewww |
| 00:37.47 | resiak | !fruit juice abrotman |
| 00:37.57 | Tabitha | directhex: See: http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DriTroubleshooting |
| 00:37.59 | bnoji | Anyone know of any mainboards that can boot from either the primary or secondary IDE controllers? |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | exobyte: it is .. but it's a full P4 .. 15" screen .. full desktop replacement |
| 00:38.02 | exobyte | Omnix: /adds one more workd to his international vocabulary |
| 00:38.03 | Omnix | exobyte: I do have a Dell laptop shoulder bag, but it feels like you've got 3 laptops inside it... a backpack's far easier |
| 00:38.05 | happyhobo | abrotman: this laptop has one of those damn stickers that reads designed for xp. how truthful is that? |
| 00:38.08 | abrotman | exobyte: i didn't get a light one |
| 00:38.09 | resiak | dpkg, cmd fruit juice (.*?) =~ s/(// |
| 00:38.09 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd fruit juice (.*?)', resiak |
| 00:38.10 | Omnix | exobyte: lol, UK word? |
| 00:38.16 | abrotman | happyhobo: everything is |
| 00:38.25 | abrotman | so does mine .. and it works perfectly with linux |
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| 00:38.52 | abrotman | exobyte: if you want super light ... look at the lifebooks from fujitsu |
| 00:38.59 | exobyte | Omnix: ruckshack? |
| 00:39.01 | happyhobo | abrotman: my bro's 2650 inspiron kicks butt on linux |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | if you want indestructable .. get the toughbook from panasonic |
| 00:39.08 | Omnix | exobyte: rucksack... |
| 00:39.13 | exobyte | Omnix: I can't type today |
| 00:39.20 | Omnix | happyhobo: that was the first thing to come off of my laptop... ;-) a blade can take it off easy ;) |
| 00:39.25 | exobyte | Omnix: I'm in the US, if that helps |
| 00:39.43 | Omnix | exobyte: rucksack is a backpack? a bag with straps, goes on your back! |
| 00:40.11 | exobyte | Omnix: I figured that much out- eventually. Where are you from? |
| 00:40.13 | jrr | rucksack is german |
| 00:40.20 | Omnix | exobyte: UK :) |
| 00:40.21 | happyhobo | I want the laptop from www.sub300.com, shitcan the linspire then install debian |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | so get it |
| 00:41.02 | happyhobo | abrotman: can I borrow 1200? |
| 00:41.06 | jrr | those are a little more than $300 |
| 00:41.09 | exobyte | Omnix: is there a rule for me vs. my in the UK? |
| 00:41.22 | Omnix | exobyte: err... in what context? |
| 00:41.32 | jrr | wtf is an antaur processor? |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | happyhobo: no |
| 00:41.48 | abrotman | !antaur |
| 00:41.50 | Omnix | abrotman: those Toughbooks are *lovely*... haven't tried Linux on one though |
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| 00:41.59 | abrotman | Omnix: i just want to shoot one :) |
| 00:42.02 | jrr | it seemed vague enough i didn't expect dpkg to know it |
| 00:42.04 | Omnix | abrotman: mind you, I wouldn't want to carry one ;) |
| 00:42.07 | exobyte | Omnix: like, uh, damn- I can't think of a sterotypical british noun |
| 00:42.08 | Omnix | abrotman: lol, yep :) |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | Omnix: i guess they aren't too light .. but well .. that's not the purpose |
| 00:42.20 | resiak | exobyte: In what kind of twisted world does me == my ? =) |
| 00:42.23 | happyhobo | element computers was making some kickass linux dedicated laptops |
| 00:42.25 | jrr | it's an old name for the via c3, google tells me |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | !c3 |
| 00:42.46 | exobyte | resiak: the UK, I thought |
| 00:43.02 | resiak | exobyte: "Regional dialect" =) |
| 00:43.03 | happyhobo | I want the other sub300 laptop the Asus |
| 00:43.24 | Omnix | abrotman: yep, I noticed mains gas engineers around here using them also, I repaired one belonging to a journalist who'd documented the Afghan and Iraqi wars... it was in a state but working fine (except for Windows ME...) |
| 00:43.32 | happyhobo | only problem is Asus looks too close to anus |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | Omnix: Maine? |
| 00:43.37 | exobyte | resiak: ah- which part of the UK? In the US, we have y'all in the south |
| 00:43.59 | bjay | anyone know how to make gome windows snap? |
| 00:43.59 | abrotman | yunz |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | bjay: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:44.12 | Omnix | abrotman: Maine? mains gas... the "communal" gas system under the town |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 00:44.21 | resiak | !magic food abrotman |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:44.32 | happyhobo | wait a Dell Inspiron 1100 is an anus computer |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 00:44.34 | dpkg | [useless factoids] Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | yes! |
| 00:44.45 | Omnix | can't dpkg translate between British and American yet? ;) |
| 00:44.49 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:44.54 | resiak | abrotman: Woohoo! Off I go to make more ;) |
| 00:44.59 | resiak | abrotman: (Sorry, though...) |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | resiak: it's ok .. i don't mind |
| 00:45.08 | soth` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.14 | soth` | any ideas what library that is? |
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| 00:45.24 | abrotman | ask the people who wrote the app |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | or google |
| 00:45.46 | happyhobo | jrr: how does the Asus look to you? |
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| 00:45.51 | sechrest | I installed a new system with Debian Sarge, which has exim4 as the default mailer. But it wants to use "localhost" as the prompt for EHLO. How do I make exim4 use the hostname for system? |
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| 00:46.09 | abrotman | sechrest: #exim .. and edit the config file |
| 00:46.11 | resiak | What would we do without elgooG? |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | eid |
| 00:46.25 | Omnix | sechrest: doesn't it ask you in the debconf part? |
| 00:46.35 | Omnix | sechrest: (dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) |
| 00:46.53 | resiak | heheh :namtroba <kaiser > |
| 00:46.58 | sechrest | When I do a dpkg-reconfig exim4-config it asks for several things, but none of these seem to have an effect |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | sechrest: #exim .. and edit the config file |
| 00:47.10 | jrr | if i were to buy a laptop any time soon it'd prolly be centrino |
| 00:47.19 | jrr | if i were rich it'd be powerbook =] |
| 00:47.26 | resiak | jrr: YMMV, but I never got the ipw2200 drivers working. |
| 00:47.31 | Omnix | dooes the Centrino wireless system work with Linux? |
| 00:47.45 | Omnix | hm |
| 00:47.56 | resiak | Omnix: With ndiswrapper evilness, and in theory with ipw2200. I spent many a fruitless hour on those. |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | !centrino |
| 00:47.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, centrino is a laptop brand. There are 3 things a laptop must have for it to be called Centrino. 1. The Montara 852/855 Chipset from Intel 2. The Banias Intel Pentium-M processor (not to be confused with Pentium III-M or Pentium 4-M) 3. Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 network connection for 802.11b wireless networking (future versions to also have 802.11a). See <Intel Pro Wireless 2100> for Linux support. |
| 00:48.06 | happyhobo | i prefer amd |
| 00:48.11 | Omnix | resiak: ah, just curious... don't have the money anyway <g> |
| 00:48.17 | jrr | i prefer amd in a desktop |
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| 00:49.04 | abrotman | i prefer what works |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:49.11 | nike | holas |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 00:49.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:49.31 | happyhobo | I think Intel and MS are in cahoots and are a pair of ass monkrys |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | happyhobo: it's a mutual agreement i'm sure .. but now intel is losing market share .. oh well |
| 00:50.30 | grendal_prime | how can i tell if a kernel-patch is actually been applied?? |
| 00:50.56 | happyhobo | Intel I swear is making shit intentionally difficult for Linux |
| 00:51.21 | resiak | happyhobo: ...such as actually releasing allegedly functional open(ish) drivers? |
| 00:51.53 | resiak | happyhobo: Then again, I can't work the damned things. |
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| 00:52.10 | MajorPoopyPants | how do I select a different source for apt-get? |
| 00:52.22 | Omnix | edit /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 00:52.22 | MajorPoopyPants | friggin usc is slow today |
| 00:52.29 | grendal_prime | happyhobo, i have to agree with you there...and there dragging dell into the quagmire as well |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | MajorPoopyPants: apt-setup |
| 00:52.38 | MajorPoopyPants | No no no not manually theres a script or something that lets me select |
| 00:52.43 | MajorPoopyPants | thanks abrotman |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 00:53.04 | grendal_prime | yogi pin?? sounds like a type of wedggy |
| 00:53.08 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:53.31 | Omnix | glad I'm not the only person wondering what the hell a 'yogi pin' is ;) |
| 00:53.44 | stoned | does unstable have more packages than testing |
| 00:53.44 | grendal_prime | ok.. |
| 00:53.48 | grendal_prime | how can i tell if a kernel-patch is actually been applied?? |
| 00:53.54 | stoned | or are they the same? |
| 00:53.57 | nike | hello |
| 00:53.59 | nike | he |
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| 00:54.02 | grendal_prime | i mean seriously.... |
| 00:54.09 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: depends on what the patch is |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | http://theimaginaryworld.com/tic717.jpg |
| 00:54.25 | Omnix | stoned: packages move into testing from unstable when they meet certain criteria, so there should always be more in testing |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | yogi pin |
| 00:54.27 | grendal_prime | kernel-patch-openmosix |
| 00:54.45 | dondelelcaro | Omnix: no, there are always more packages in unstable. |
| 00:54.45 | stoned | you mean more in unstable, ok |
| 00:55.06 | Omnix | my mistake, too tired to think logically ;) |
| 00:55.10 | MajorPoopyPants | speaking of stoned, Im going to get stoned right now. I shall daydream of a day where debian lets me use USE flags |
| 00:55.18 | grendal_prime | ya...but you clould be a breakin your shiiiiiit |
| 00:55.19 | Omnix | abrotman: lol, thanks for enlightening me! |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:55.32 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: that'll never happen. USE flags are pointless. |
| 00:55.54 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Not really, no. |
| 00:55.54 | grendal_prime | well..if your working with gento there pretty helpfull |
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| 00:56.02 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, 3dnow especially makes gnome run so smooth and nice |
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| 00:56.04 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: if it's that big of a deal, you can rebuild the packages with a specially crafted CXXFLAGS="" and CFLAGS="" |
| 00:56.06 | grendal_prime | but..who has a month lying around to do that |
| 00:56.20 | PerfDave | USE flags for features are good, USE flags for optimisation are pointless :) |
| 00:56.20 | Chewie[] | when i use irssi in XTerm, Alt+# gives weird characters, what could be wrong? |
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| 00:56.39 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: but then, if you knew how to select sane compiler arguments, you would already know that. |
| 00:56.49 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, I can? please tell me how, thats all I really wanna do is enabler those extensions in my gnome build |
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| 00:57.01 | PerfDave | MajorPoopyPants: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | 3dnow doesn't affect gnome directly |
| 00:57.11 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, I was unaware that COMPILING gnome was even an option |
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| 00:57.21 | abrotman | !3dnow |
| 00:57.21 | dpkg | it has been said that 3dnow is actually called 3dnow! |
| 00:57.23 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: it's always an option, and it's exceedingly trivial to do. |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | !3dnow! |
| 00:57.25 | dpkg | well, 3dnow! is AMD's verison of SSE, available on the K6-2 and upward processors, also available before SSE was. The Athlon/K7 has an enhanced version of 3dnow! |
| 00:57.43 | stoned | MajorPoopyPants, I think you can compile all but the base debian system from sources, can't you? |
| 00:57.45 | jasonf | !nptl |
| 00:57.45 | dpkg | well, nptl is Native Posix Threading Library, or http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.56-0/ |
| 00:57.47 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, youre the man - so what am I looking for on google |
| 00:58.01 | jrr | 3dnow was amd's apology for lacking an fpu |
| 00:58.06 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: info make; read about how environmental variables influence makefiles, and read the makefile of the package that you're trying to build. |
| 00:58.24 | MajorPoopyPants | stoned, I dont know, if thats true thats what ive been looking to do with a build - not that I am unsatisfied with debian but I dont see any point in NOT using them,,, |
| 00:58.52 | stoned | read about apt-guild |
| 00:58.55 | stoned | doh, build* |
| 00:58.55 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: even in that case it's relatively pointless... when it's a big deal, there are separate packages... but in most cases, it doesn't matter. |
| 00:59.15 | MajorPoopyPants | Hmm - thats a lot of makefiles dondelelcaro - I was kinda looking to use the same cflags on a rebuild of the gnome installation |
| 00:59.29 | jasonf | dpkg: no, nptl is Native Posix Threading Library http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.60-0/ |
| 00:59.29 | dpkg | okay, jasonf |
| 00:59.46 | MajorPoopyPants | at least to add 3dnow, mmx, sse, and sse2 to whatever is already being used by default |
| 00:59.47 | Omnix | MajorPoopyPants: the main point in not using them for most people and not recompiling is the time it takes. A lot of us need packages quickly :) If you use a package a lot though, then it could be worth recompiling it with optimisations... |
| 00:59.50 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are the standard ENV variables that control the default flags that the c and cpp compilers use, respectively. |
| 01:00.31 | jasonf | Is there a way using apt w/source to have it remember and autocompile every time? |
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| 01:00.35 | dondelelcaro | Omnix: it's more than that... many of those optimizations only make it faster on very narrow ranges of hardware, and even then don't necessarily improve speed at all. |
| 01:00.40 | stoned | MajorPoopyPants, you can just install the base debian system, and then just get the package sources, modify them and then use apt to build them |
| 01:00.44 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: apt-build does something like that... |
| 01:00.58 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, I understand that, and I know how it is used in gentoo but not in debian - I was under the impression that what I have now is precompiled binaries, and that I would have to download source packages and SOME kind of packages to recompile my whole system |
| 01:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Omnix: not to mention the fact that optimization is a per-binary process, not system wide. |
| 01:01.09 | Omnix | dondelelcaro: yep :) and only for particular operations at that... |
| 01:01.13 | MajorPoopyPants | I dont want to odify the sources package by package |
| 01:01.36 | MajorPoopyPants | I just want to add some USE variables and recompile gnome |
| 01:01.52 | jdhutchin1 | ... go to #gentoo for that, this is #debian |
| 01:01.52 | stoned | well, piont being, do whatever you want with the sources, but you can |
| 01:01.53 | jasonf | MajorPoopyPants: USE flags are just dumbed down ./configure opts |
| 01:02.01 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: read about how makefiles work, and how ENV variables control them. Until you have that basic understanding, you're just wasting your time and mine. |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | i would imagine such a script would be easy to write .. but it would take .. days |
| 01:02.10 | jasonf | MajorPoopyPants: so read the INSTALL of your package, and you'll understand it |
| 01:02.36 | MajorPoopyPants | jasonf, this I understand - however ./configure opts are done with each individual package, while I wished to recompile a BUNCH of packages |
| 01:02.57 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: There are many cases where there aren't packages though, or where maintaining such packages are a PITA. |
| 01:03.09 | Compound-4 | n8i all |
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| 01:03.22 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, sheesh - I think I said already that its not worth the time to redo the Makefile's for a bunch of different packages |
| 01:03.23 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: in most of those cases, it's pretty much pointless to worry about them though. |
| 01:03.27 | SquareRt | I know this is hardly on-topic, but does anyone here know anything about cleaning photographs? (as in honest-to-goodness film camera prints) |
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| 01:03.54 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: No, realy, it's not. |
| 01:03.55 | SquareRt | I left a photo on my desk and it appears dust settled on it |
| 01:04.01 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: you don't have to touch the makefiles at all. This is the education of which I'm speaking. You don't even understand how makefiles work enough yet to understand how to set the compile flags sanely. |
| 01:04.19 | jdhutchin1 | MajorPoopyPants, why do you want to recompile your system in the first place? |
| 01:04.25 | SquareRt | trying to brush it off seems to make the dust stick and using a cloth seem to get lint to stick to it |
| 01:04.30 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: I have yet to see a case where it makes a big difference and the packages aren't already separated out. |
| 01:04.44 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, I just dont know WHERE to set them, or how to go about recompiling these packages - in gentoo it was a siple emerge foo, I have no Idea what the debian equivalent it |
| 01:04.45 | MajorPoopyPants | is |
| 01:04.55 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: mutt and ssl in woody. |
| 01:04.57 | jasonf | MajorPoopyPants: then google it |
| 01:04.57 | MajorPoopyPants | jdhutchin1, not the whole system, just X/Gnome |
| 01:05.00 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: they're environmental variables. You set them. |
| 01:05.07 | MajorPoopyPants | jasonf, google WHAT? |
| 01:05.21 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, where do I set them? |
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| 01:05.21 | phorce1 | SquareRt: dry compressed air -- if it's gotten damp and the dust is stuck then take it to a professional if it's an important photo. |
| 01:05.21 | jasonf | MajorPoopyPants: most of that stuff is covered in the "INSALL" or "README" files included in the tarballs |
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| 01:05.32 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: man bash; and read about setenv and export. |
| 01:05.32 | MajorPoopyPants | jasonf, what tarballs? |
| 01:05.36 | SquareRt | phorce1: so a damp cloth was a bad idea? |
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| 01:05.43 | alus | I recently apt-get upgraded |
| 01:05.43 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 01:05.44 | dondelelcaro | I mean, this is like shell 101 here. |
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| 01:05.52 | phorce1 | SquareRt: yep |
| 01:05.54 | alus | now python cannot import distutils.command.install |
| 01:06.26 | SquareRt | phorce1: what's getting it fixed likely to cost? |
| 01:06.43 | SquareRt | phorce1: less or more than grovelling to my girlfiend and admitting incompetency? |
| 01:06.50 | MajorPoopyPants | ok man bash is out of my intellectual league, thanks anyhow |
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| 01:07.02 | SquareRt | (as I could get another print from her, but I'd have to explain :|) |
| 01:07.17 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: at that point in time it may not have been working with gnutls at all... but it's compiled against it know. |
| 01:07.21 | dondelelcaro | s/know/now/ |
| 01:07.47 | alus | is there a way to just uninstall and reinstall python without removing all it's dependancies? |
| 01:07.49 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: It works fine with gnutls in Woody. Just change --without-ssl in debian/rules to --with-ssl |
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| 01:08.14 | dondelelcaro | alus: just apt-get --reinstall install pythonfooversion |
| 01:08.22 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: *shrug* maintainer error then. |
| 01:08.43 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: There are also no database-backed OpenLDAP packages. |
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| 01:09.12 | phorce1 | SquareRt: probably more than saying "sorry". Depends on how bad the emulsion layer is hosed up. |
| 01:09.18 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Thing is, to meet every option you need to maintain lots of packages. Some sort of client-side system actually makes more sense. |
| 01:09.22 | vlaad | how can i change the media type used for my pcmcia interface ? what conf file do i change? |
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| 01:10.14 | phorce1 | SquareRt: tell her the neighbor kid knowked a coke over on it. |
| 01:10.19 | vlaad | is there a dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> for that? |
| 01:10.37 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: not when it requires compiling all the time it doesn't... |
| 01:10.50 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: if anything, what makes sense is using dlopen() when you need to load things like that. |
| 01:11.06 | SquareRt | phorce1: hmm... simply, the photo was well cared for in the past, but I broke the frame by accident... and I tried to scan the photo... scanner had dust on the glass, some of which may have transferred to photo... I then put it on the shelf and it's been there a couple weeks... I went to have a look at it, and seeing the dust I... |
| 01:11.07 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'm not talking about a system that involves compiling all the time. |
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| 01:12.03 | SquareRt | Tried to wipe it off with my shirt... then a piece of dry tissue, then some damped tissue... that removed the dust, but left flecks of tissue paper... trying to remove those with a cloth left lint in it's place... |
| 01:12.12 | SquareRt | phorce1: what's the damage likely to be like? |
| 01:12.20 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: most places where you would even be running slapd or similar shouldn't even have a compiler installed. |
| 01:12.21 | phorce1 | Now, on topic. What's the easiest wat to move a complete, working system to a new set of hardware? Do a clean install then pick and poke at the data and configs until it looks like it matches the old system? |
| 01:12.50 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: and where there isn't, most of those packages do provide methods of passing additional arguments to the configure scripts so you can rebuild new versions simply and easily if you want something besides the default. |
| 01:12.50 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Uhm, yeah. Which makes maintaining a slapd with different compilation options a huge PITA. |
| 01:13.04 | greycat | phorce1: dpkg --set-selections, and copying over /etc |
| 01:13.07 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: No, you can't rebuild new versions simply and easily. |
| 01:13.13 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: sure you can. |
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| 01:13.44 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: There is no way of saying in Debian "I want package X compiled with this options, when there's a new version available, apt-get source it and build it and install it". |
| 01:13.45 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: all it takes is a single apt-get source slapd; then a FOOCONFIGVAR="blah" pdebuild; |
| 01:13.55 | disasm | phorce1: pull drive, put in new system boot, probably going to have to play with configs for hardware, like your vid card in x, but i've never had problems with moving debian. |
| 01:13.59 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: ...every time a new version is released. |
| 01:14.04 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: ...by hand |
| 01:14.16 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you can automate it as well if you actually wanted to. |
| 01:14.27 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Not easily, no. |
| 01:14.32 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: pretty trivially, actually. |
| 01:14.44 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: It'd only be a 5-10 line shell script. |
| 01:14.46 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: If it's so trivial, why isn't there a package to do this for me? |
| 01:14.53 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: there is. It's called apt-build |
| 01:15.17 | phorce1 | disasm: radically different hardware. |
| 01:15.17 | disasm | PerfDave: because someone would have to right a new script for every single custom compiled program they wanted auto-updated. |
| 01:15.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: apt-build ties into apt-get and gets new source packages automatically and builds them and doesn't download the binary package? |
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| 01:15.27 | MajorPoopyPants | apt-build didnt work for me on rebuilding gnome |
| 01:15.29 | disasm | phorce1: different architecture? |
| 01:15.39 | PerfDave | I've used apt-build, or at least tried to. |
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| 01:15.41 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: supposedly. I don't bother to use it... |
| 01:15.48 | phorce1 | greycat: noted (set-selections) for man page search |
| 01:16.00 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: apt-build doesn't let you download and compile a package you already have installed. |
| 01:16.09 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: So it's pretty fucking useless for upgrades. |
| 01:16.11 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that being said, if there's a problem with the options that a package is compiled with, you should file a bug against the package so that the options can be fixed. |
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| 01:16.26 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: so file a wishlist bug against apt-build |
| 01:16.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but the packages have the most popular options. |
| 01:16.50 | phorce1 | disasm: to scsi from ATA -- to Intel cpu from AMD. And the current system has a custom, hand compiled kernel with everything not needed (like scsi stuff) stripped out. |
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| 01:17.20 | tell | is there a way to make the taskbar in gnome transparent? |
| 01:17.22 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: well, then file a wishlist bug requesting a separate package built with the second most popular options. |
| 01:17.28 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: There's nothing wrong with looking at a feature from another distro, saying "actually, this is pretty cool, Debian could benefit from this". Just because you *can* kludge your way around it painfully by hand doesn't mean you *should*. |
| 01:17.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: ...and the third most popular, and the fourth, and fifth, ad infinitum. |
| 01:18.03 | disasm | ok, precompile the kernel before moving, and it should work for the most part. |
| 01:18.04 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: well, I don't really see a point to it, personally, having run these sorts of systems quite a bit. |
| 01:18.06 | tell | redhat rulez |
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| 01:18.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: It makes life easier. Laziness is a virtue. |
| 01:18.25 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: nothing is stoping someone who thinks this is a big deal and an uber important feature from coding it up. |
| 01:18.40 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Of course. |
| 01:18.42 | disasm | tell: that sounds like a question for #gnome or whatever the channel is |
| 01:18.49 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Because everybody has mad c0d1ng 5k1llz |
| 01:18.59 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: but the fact that no one who knows enough about the problem has bothered to sit down and write up a solution to it yet kind of should tell you how big of a deal it is. |
| 01:19.21 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: The fact that people frequently ask questions about it should tell you that it's worth doing something about. |
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| 01:19.45 | trans_err | is there a linux pdf viewer that supports text select? |
| 01:19.50 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: for you, or for them, maybe. But not for me, and apparently not for any of the other people who haven't bothered to do anything about it. |
| 01:19.54 | dondelelcaro | trans_err: xpdf does. |
| 01:20.03 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: The fact is that people with the skills to solve the problem are the kind of people who "don't think it's worth bothering with" because they have the skills to solve the problem themselves. |
| 01:20.06 | disasm | PerfDave: i'm sure theres plenty of coder that would love to custom write an app for you, but there going to want some kind of monetary compensation. |
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| 01:20.26 | PerfDave | disasm: Oh, fuck off. |
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| 01:20.35 | pipeline | PerfDave: Yes, and that's the attitude that's led to the huge, community-led efforts to build an operating system from nothing but an assembler and a compiler. *rolleyes* |
| 01:20.45 | trans_err | dondelelcaro: where.... how? |
| 01:21.12 | dondelelcaro | trans_err: you run xpdf foo.pdf; you select text with the mouse. You paste said text using the middle mouse button. |
| 01:21.26 | trans_err | dondelelcaro: I see- I was put off by the lack of a cursor |
| 01:21.33 | PerfDave | pipeline: That community gets bigger and better every time it makes life easier for its members. I'm suggesting a way to make Debian better, and people are having a go at me for it. I fail to understand. |
| 01:21.35 | trans_err | dondelelcaro: thanks for humoring me |
| 01:22.09 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: I'm just trying to explain why I personally don't think it's a big deal, and why you don't see me rushing out there to code up a solution to this problem. |
| 01:22.30 | phorce1 | disasm: I'll try that. Won't hurt anything to try. It'll just gripe and fail to boot if I get something wrong. -- Oh, waitaminit -- I want the whole system moved to the scsi drive as the boot drive. Will have no IDE drives installed in the box. So I actually need to rebuild it anyway. |
| 01:22.31 | jetscreamer | holy fuck it works |
| 01:22.38 | jetscreamer | thanks dondelelcaro & trans_err |
| 01:22.53 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: It's also an understanding that is shared by a bunch of other people, apparently. But it really only takes one person to sit down, think it through, and write a program to address whatever you think is the issue. |
| 01:22.53 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yes, you've explained why you personally don't think it's a big deal - because you have the skills to deal with it on an ad-hoc basis. That doesn't mean that it's not worth doing. |
| 01:23.01 | pipeline | PerfDave: You're getting a reasonable response. You're demanding huge changes for no apparent reason, in a public forum. If this really matters to you, I'd go to the mailing lists. And I'd be armed with "feasibility studies" i.e. partially-working code. |
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| 01:23.15 | PerfDave | pipeline: I'm not demanding huge changes to anything. |
| 01:23.33 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that's why it's not worth me doing. There's no problem with you, or someone else who thinks it's worth while implementing it. |
| 01:23.41 | PerfDave | pipeline: I've tried solving the problem myself, but it's beyond my mediocre coding skills. |
| 01:23.47 | disasm | phorce1: cp -a works wonders, you'll have to install grub/lilo into the mbr afterwards. |
| 01:24.03 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, PerfDave: And here we come to the bottom line. If it's worth doing, and nobody shares your opinion, do it the hell yourself and maybe they'll come around. |
| 01:24.07 | resiak | PerfDave: If you want to put heads together, maybe our mutual mediocre coding skills would patch over the gaps. |
| 01:24.15 | disasm | phorce1: i'm sure theres probably a better way to do it, but thats what i've always done going to a bigger hd. |
| 01:24.33 | PerfDave | pipeline: I've also demonstrated that the people most able to implement a solution to this problem are the people least likely to do so :) |
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| 01:25.50 | jager | what's that? |
| 01:26.04 | phorce1 | disasm: hadn't thought of that. I'll have to rearrange the room and go ahead and roll the rack against a wall when I'm off so I can start setting up the rackmount systems at home. |
| 01:26.08 | dondelelcaro | this basically boils down to the "lets make GNU/Linux usable by the computer semi-litterate" argument... where no one who is capable of doing the work is even in the target group, and thus, short of large infusions of cashish, there is no insentive to do anything. |
| 01:26.46 | stoned | incentive* |
| 01:26.50 | MajorPoopyPants | where can I find the list of packages Ive already installed? Im trying to apt-build world and I dont have an apt-build list |
| 01:26.51 | pipeline | PerfDave: You've demonstrated nothing. You haven't even demonstrated that there's a problem. |
| 01:27.00 | jetscreamer | stoned you thief |
| 01:27.10 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
| 01:27.12 | PerfDave | pipeline: The fact that people are asking about it on here demonstrates that there's a problem ;) |
| 01:27.16 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:27.41 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I don't think that custom compilation options count as "semi-literate". I'm talking about automating something which is a PITA for people to do by hand, which is currently the only way of doing it. |
| 01:27.55 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Heh, database backed compilations of OpenLDAP servers aren't exactly a problem that the semi-literate should be dealing with to begin with. |
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| 01:28.25 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, how do I use that to build myself an apt-build list? |
| 01:28.31 | jetscreamer | so this, perhaps, is an example of why there are many distros |
| 01:28.31 | jdhutchin1 | MajorPoopyPants, you're thinking too much like gentoo. This is debian, not gentoo |
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| 01:29.17 | MajorPoopyPants | jdhutchin1, you know what opinions are like, right? |
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| 01:29.39 | jdhutchin1 | MajorPoopyPants, if you want gentoo, go to #gentoo and install it. Don't expect debian to become just like gentoo |
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| 01:30.21 | abrotman | !opinion |
| 01:30.25 | MajorPoopyPants | jdhutchin1, I dont expect anything to be like anything, Im just trying to learn how to compile and install packages that are already installed. |
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| 01:30.42 | jdhutchin1 | MajorPoopyPants, apt-get source |
| 01:30.47 | jrr | !apt-source |
| 01:30.50 | Eko | MajorPoopyPants, if you know emerge, then why aren't you using gentoo? |
| 01:30.53 | Eko | just curious |
| 01:30.56 | mathieu | or apt-src |
| 01:31.36 | Eko | hmm. |
| 01:31.59 | MajorPoopyPants | eko - because i prefer not to wait 9 hours for my initial install , just to find out if something is fuxed |
| 01:32.08 | Eko | maybe having #debian, #c++, #ruby-lang and #gentoo all in the same window laying over each other is a bad thing... |
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| 01:32.18 | stoned | lol |
| 01:32.38 | Eko | MPP: I've only had one install mess up for me in gentoo, and thats because i'm on a powerpc |
| 01:33.08 | Eko | did you tell #gentoo about the messed up installs? |
| 01:33.20 | cafuego | Coz they might actually care <heh> |
| 01:33.24 | Eko | i'm sure they'd love to know, just in case you're not the only one who has had the problem |
| 01:33.26 | __dean | May someone have a look in #flood at a weird error that happened to me as i switched from woody to sarge, i have no idea how to get through it, thanks |
| 01:33.30 | port80 | php4-imap in debian anybody? |
| 01:33.39 | Eko | cafuego: i know =/ |
| 01:33.42 | port80 | (unstable) |
| 01:33.49 | cafuego | port80: Yeh, install, should pull in libc-client |
| 01:34.07 | jdhutchin1 | port80, yes, it is |
| 01:34.12 | Eko | *confusing!!!* |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | !info php4-imap |
| 01:34.18 | Eko | I can't follow 4 channels at once =; |
| 01:34.20 | cafuego | port80: Make sure it loads in /etc/php4/*/php.ini, retsart apache. |
| 01:34.21 | dpkg | php4-imap: (IMAP module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 01:34.23 | MajorPoopyPants | eko - i couldnt use the last release of gentoo because it has some random fecal error that says my HD is bad when it isnt |
| 01:34.30 | Eko | there we go. |
| 01:34.32 | MajorPoopyPants | im going to try 2004.3 |
| 01:34.33 | port80 | thanks cafuego, jdhutchin1 |
| 01:34.48 | Eko | MPP: fsck said that? |
| 01:35.07 | port80 | libc-client-dev? I have no libc-client |
| 01:35.23 | Eko | and i'm not sure what this "latest version of gentoo" is that you speak of |
| 01:35.28 | cafuego | MajorPoopyPants: That's still of no interest to #debian. |
| 01:35.45 | Eko | sorry, my faulr. |
| 01:35.47 | Eko | *fault. |
| 01:35.52 | cafuego | !lart Eko |
| 01:36.11 | cafuego | port80: Just apt-get install php4-imap, you'll be right. |
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| 01:36.42 | port80 | cafuego, php still says it can't find function imap_open() |
| 01:36.54 | port80 | hangon |
| 01:36.58 | cafuego | port80: Make sure it loads in /et/php4/*/php.ini and restart apache. |
| 01:37.03 | cafuego | Like I said. |
| 01:37.06 | Eko | etc* |
| 01:37.15 | __dean | I got a WEIRD error as dist-upgrading from woody to sarge it includes this line but should be shown in #flood... anyone please ? /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdb1-compat.postinst: line 6: 1661 Aborted ldconfig |
| 01:37.56 | Eko | __dean: that looks like something is killing it with SIGABRT. Check your kernel logs first, then check the bug reports of whatever program is that is calling that |
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| 01:38.14 | WiFiTux | peterS, that the system calls the kernel, which would need the hdd, is like what? a command? using gaim? I mean what would prevent of running to standby? |
| 01:38.19 | jotham | how can i see if i have ip_conntrack_irc installed |
| 01:38.23 | __dean | Eko: okay, thanks, looking |
| 01:38.28 | cafuego | __dean: Check line 6 of that script... comment it out, rerun the update. |
| 01:38.30 | __dean | but there's a very weird error before |
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| 01:38.40 | cafuego | jotham: lsmod |
| 01:38.59 | jotham | ip_conntrack_irc 2496 0 (unused) |
| 01:39.02 | __dean | cafuego: not sure where it is, i run an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:39.06 | jotham | hum, i wonder how to make it used |
| 01:39.19 | cafuego | __dean: /var/lib/... - you just pasted it. |
| 01:39.30 | cafuego | jotham: do a dcc |
| 01:39.44 | port80 | thanks cafuego |
| 01:39.49 | cafuego | port80: np. |
| 01:40.09 | jotham | cafuego: thanks |
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| 01:40.21 | __dean | Heh, line 6 is approx the whole file |
| 01:40.31 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Due to the way linux is designed, hdd acess is inevitable at some stage; the system wants to sync changes back to disk - then it spins up. |
| 01:40.44 | cafuego | __dean: typical. Is there a call to 'ldconfig' ? |
| 01:40.55 | __dean | cafuego: yes |
| 01:41.01 | __dean | want me to paste in #flood ? |
| 01:41.07 | cafuego | __dean: What happens if you run 'ldconfig' by hand? (as root) |
| 01:41.15 | __dean | checking.. |
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| 01:41.24 | __dean | nothing |
| 01:41.34 | Eko | __dean: did the kernel log mentuin killing anything? |
| 01:41.39 | Eko | sometimes out of memory will do that |
| 01:41.51 | Eko | except usually it just explicitly kills it, |
| 01:42.09 | Eko | or kills some other poor unsuspecting program that happens to request more memory at the wrong time |
| 01:42.11 | __dean | Eko: kern.log ? |
| 01:42.34 | Eko | __dean: dmesg, or /var/log/messages (or vc/12 if you have that enabled) |
| 01:42.47 | __dean | cafuego: it won't do nothing, well, won't show nothing i mean |
| 01:42.49 | Eko | for me, at least... |
| 01:42.55 | Eko | I suppose it might be kern.log |
| 01:43.01 | cafuego | __dean: that's a good thing. means it's not failing. |
| 01:43.06 | __dean | okay, looking |
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| 01:43.14 | cafuego | __dean: put a # in front of ldconfig in the script, rerun dist-upgrade |
| 01:43.40 | __dean | cafuego: so i comment the only useful line of the script :) |
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| 01:44.01 | __dean | kernel: Unable to find swap-space signature |
| 01:45.13 | __dean | cafuego: still have a failure |
| 01:45.26 | cafuego | __dean: Hmm. |
| 01:45.30 | __dean | cafuego: may you please look in #flood, it's not an usual error i think |
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| 01:47.28 | WiFiTux | cafuego, why could my thinkpad be only at 38c and this one at 43c? |
| 01:47.37 | ghc | Does anyone know if it is possible to use ALSA with oss emulation, but without using the oss mixer emulation? |
| 01:47.50 | dondelelcaro | ghc: yes, but there rarely is any point to that. |
| 01:47.53 | ghc | And if so, whats the best way of disabling the oss mixer emulation starting. |
| 01:48.00 | ghc | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 01:48.01 | MajorPoopyPants | ghc - Ive never heard of that before - although i never even TRIED the oss mixer... |
| 01:48.17 | cafuego | WiFiTux: design and layout differences |
| 01:48.23 | cafuego | WiFiTux: 43C sn't that hot anyway |
| 01:48.25 | dondelelcaro | ghc: because you can just not use the oss mixer. |
| 01:48.37 | WiFiTux | cafuego, it is when it's below my palm. |
| 01:48.57 | WiFiTux | else I wouldn't care... |
| 01:48.58 | ghc | I'm asking because my gnome-volume-control applet thing is showing both mixers. And I'd prefer not to see both. |
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| 01:49.30 | cafuego | WiFiTux: move your palm then |
| 01:49.40 | Guerin | ghc: why? |
| 01:50.01 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hehe, well while I was away, it moved to 38c... so hdparm did a bit... |
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| 01:50.38 | ghc | guerin: Well, as I understand it, by altering the OSS mixer controls, I'm really just altering the ALSA mixer settings. So I'd rather not display the oss mixer controls |
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| 01:51.02 | ghc | guerin: Saves me thinking about whats really going on when I don't need to. |
| 01:51.49 | happyhobo | apt-get move will mirror my system but not my documents so i can make a debian boot copy of my own once i build up from the netinstall? |
| 01:52.00 | Gob | hi guys.. only one question please.. how do I install a .deb package please...? |
| 01:52.00 | Guerin | ghc: configure your gnome volume controller to use gnome-alsamixer only? |
| 01:52.06 | greycat | Gob: man dpkg |
| 01:52.09 | Guerin | Gob: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:52.19 | resiak | Guerin: But, of course, Gnome is designed to be option-free ;) |
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| 01:52.25 | Gob | is what i"m dooing.. |
| 01:52.27 | ghc | guerin: that would be a good solution. Do you know if that can be done? |
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| 01:52.36 | Gob | but doesn't works.. |
| 01:52.54 | Gob | i'll retry ! thanks |
| 01:52.58 | Guerin | ghc: anything's possible, I expect. |
| 01:53.08 | ghc | Guerin: Certainly right clicking it and selecting "Preferences" doesn't show any options to do it. |
| 01:53.08 | WiFiTux | greycat, what would you reccomend to lower the heat on my hdd? |
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| 01:53.32 | Guerin | ghc: but resiak has a point: the gnomers may have excised the option for fear of confusing stupid people... |
| 01:53.35 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Switch the system off. |
| 01:53.51 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Buy a newer, slower hdd; Put it on ice. |
| 01:53.58 | resiak | ghc: I can't find any obvious way to do it either. There may be a gconf entry to do it, but I can't find one. Google? |
| 01:54.13 | MajorPoopyPants | im gonna see how 2004.3 works, if I come back in a short time, ill have apt-built my system after a base install - which is probably what I should be doing instead of fucking with gentoo |
| 01:54.23 | cafuego | MajorPoopyPants: THIS IS NOT #GENTOO!!! |
| 01:54.37 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: fuck off, we don't care. |
| 01:54.45 | resiak | ghc: Google is your friend. |
| 01:54.47 | ghc | resiak: yeah, I can't see any gconf entry either. Nor any file in ~/.gnome* |
| 01:54.49 | WiFiTux | cafuego, well, it's really not the point. I'm really happy about your comment and peterS with hdparm, but I would be happy to lower the heat on it, that's it. I could buy a newer hdd, like fujitsu... |
| 01:54.51 | MajorPoopyPants | I KNOW its not gentoo - it just turns out people are nto happy about me trying ot use apt-build to rebuild my system |
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| 01:55.13 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: because it's a pointless waste of fucking time |
| 01:55.14 | MajorPoopyPants | Jesus christ Guerin , why get so friggin angry about things, Im just trying to friggin learn something |
| 01:55.19 | ghc | resiak: Has anyone started shortening that to GIYF? |
| 01:55.28 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: and you're bound to whine and bleat at us every time something fucks up. |
| 01:55.31 | cafuego | WiFiTux: It's just that short of not using the hdd or getting one that runs less hot there's not much you can do. |
| 01:55.32 | happyhobo | what good is it going to do a buildup? |
| 01:55.38 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, its much more a waste of time to be angry at people over trying to learn something |
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| 01:55.50 | cafuego | MajorPoopyPants: try to be less verbose whilst learning. |
| 01:55.51 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, youre the only one whining and bleating here... |
| 01:55.57 | resiak | ghc: People normally say FGI |
| 01:56.01 | MajorPoopyPants | cafuego, ok no problem... |
| 01:56.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:56.21 | WiFiTux | cafuego, well, not using the hdd is the system off? cause I'm really only using irc only... ONLY! |
| 01:56.23 | MajorPoopyPants | anyhow - see you tripsters later... |
| 01:56.25 | Guerin | ghc: also try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 01:56.51 | cafuego | WiFiTux: You could use a livecd then |
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| 01:56.56 | ghc | guerin: good suggestion. I'll do that. |
| 01:57.02 | cafuego | WiFiTux: But those fall beyond the scope of this channel <heh> |
| 01:57.08 | ghc | resiak: FGI? Friend Google Is? |
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| 01:57.22 | Guerin | fgi ghc fucking+google+it |
| 01:57.26 | Guerin | !fgi ghc fucking+google+it |
| 01:57.27 | dpkg | ghc: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fucking+google+it |
| 01:57.39 | resiak | Guerin: Ta :) |
| 01:57.51 | resiak | ghc: No offence intended. |
| 01:57.52 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Which filesystem are you using? ext3? xfs? reiser? |
| 01:58.03 | Guerin | wow, my box is really flakey |
| 01:58.13 | ConTax | what HDD is recommended?????????? maxtor , samsung , Western digital or seagate????? |
| 01:58.16 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ext3 |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | !annoy ConTax |
| 01:58.29 | dpkg | ConTax: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 01:58.42 | WiFiTux | ConTax, what for? SCSI, Laptop, Desktop? |
| 01:58.52 | jetscreamer | maxtor sucks ass |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | ConTax: this is #debian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:58.56 | FieldySnuts | jetscreamer: hell yes |
| 01:59.00 | jetscreamer | i have 3 maxtor paperweights |
| 01:59.00 | ConTax | IDE |
| 01:59.05 | FieldySnuts | @irritate ConTax |
| 01:59.09 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Remove the journal and mount as ext2; that'll make it not sync the journal to disk every XX seconds, |
| 01:59.10 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | ConTax: go ask #hardware |
| 01:59.30 | cafuego | ConTax: Western Digital - any model with 8MB cache. |
| 01:59.39 | jetscreamer | wd rox |
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| 01:59.39 | WiFiTux | cafuego, instead, can I change on how often it will sync? |
| 01:59.42 | cafuego | ConTax: The IDE ones are great. fast, quiet. |
| 02:00.00 | cafuego | WiFiTux: apt-get install laptop-mode ; see how you go with its config file. |
| 02:00.02 | Guerin | can't you also mount ext3 with noatime to slow down the journalling? |
| 02:00.05 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you really scared that guy |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | WiFiTux: so? |
| 02:00.14 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ok |
| 02:00.15 | WiFiTux | thanks |
| 02:00.18 | WiFiTux | abrotman, jk |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 02:00.42 | jetscreamer | i have a 60gb maxtor that my speaker is sitting on... had a 3yr rma... it broke 3yrs 1 month |
| 02:00.47 | abrotman | i feel bad .. he /j #hardware |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | which i don't think exists |
| 02:00.58 | Guerin | it does |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | oh . i was wrong |
| 02:01.08 | alus | speaker? |
| 02:01.12 | alus | magnet near harddrive? |
| 02:01.16 | Guerin | it's good, as well; I've gotten a lot of good advice in there |
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| 02:01.17 | cafuego | !info libc6 sarge |
| 02:01.20 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-18 (sarge), Packaged size: 4805 kB, Installed size: 15604 kB |
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| 02:01.28 | happyhobo | okay I've downloaded for 12 hours to get the netinstall, how do i save the image of what i create from that point? |
| 02:01.35 | cafuego | Guerin: I believe so, yes. |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | 12 hours for a 110 mb d/l ? ? |
| 02:02.08 | Guerin | dialup |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | 56k |
| 02:02.26 | lmh | Hi all! |
| 02:02.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:02.33 | happyhobo | I want to make a 650 mb one disc boot copy |
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| 02:02.44 | WiFiTux | cafuego, awesome!!! I think that thing rulz... I kind of turned off my hdd... looks fine... I'll send you a beer if that one works... |
| 02:02.53 | Guerin | happyhobo: go on, then. |
| 02:02.55 | WiFiTux | s/i/it |
| 02:03.09 | jetscreamer | no, now that it's doesn't work there is a speaker on it (it's a shielded speaker though) |
| 02:03.58 | lmh | Does anybody have experience with updating the Woody cyrus - Version to a Backported Sid / Sarge Cyrus Version? |
| 02:04.06 | ghc | lmh: yes. |
| 02:04.24 | lmh | ghc: easy or problematic? |
| 02:04.48 | ghc | lmh: not to hard. Cyrus was a bit daunting, as it was the first thing I'd ever done with cyrus. |
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| 02:05.07 | happyhobo | to switch to true debian i'll have to delete and format mepis, my mepis has gnome 2.6.1.2.3.3..... and fifth toe added, those additions took me 32 hours. I want to have a debian one disc of my own making in case I need to reformat |
| 02:05.12 | ghc | lmh: Too major things to do, change how authentication done, convert mailbox store. |
| 02:05.26 | lmh | ghc: would you do that with a production server? |
| 02:05.47 | Guerin | !nonsense happyhobo |
| 02:05.48 | dpkg | happyhobo: I am not rememebered!!! someone gives me a command for upgrade my kernel apt-get cache.... !!!???? |
| 02:05.49 | yhg | happyhobo: You should probably use jigdo for that |
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| 02:06.03 | ghc | lmh: I would not do it on a production server without first testing it a few times. |
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| 02:06.15 | lmh | ghc: need sieve, woody doesn't support that |
| 02:06.39 | ghc | lmh: the /usr/share/doc/cyrus21-doc/UPGRADE.Debian.gz file has a good run through of doing the mailbox upgrade conversion. |
| 02:06.46 | lmh | ghc: would I need to convert mailboxes / stores?` |
| 02:06.54 | ghc | lmh: Yes. |
| 02:06.57 | ponds_ | does anyone know how i specify experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list? I want to get xorg, and if I add standard mirrors with experimental, it doesnt find it. Is it only on certain mirrors or something? |
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| 02:07.07 | happyhobo | to get all i want on top of the net install will take days of downloading. I need a complete bootable iso of what I did |
| 02:07.15 | ghc | lmh: New version lays the files out differently, and I think uses new berkly database versions |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | ponds_: if you have to askk how to use it, you shouldn't |
| 02:07.23 | __dean | back |
| 02:07.25 | cafuego | !info libc6 woody |
| 02:07.26 | yhg | ponds_: There are no official xorg packages. |
| 02:07.27 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | that was fast! |
| 02:07.33 | ponds_ | i thought xorg was in experimental now? |
| 02:07.35 | ghc | lmh: So I'd definately want to test it before upgrading production server. |
| 02:07.43 | Guerin | ponds_: and xorg is not in debian not even in experimental |
| 02:07.53 | ponds_ | oh, i heard it was, guess i heard wrong |
| 02:07.53 | lmh | ghc: true. do you have experiences on stability? |
| 02:07.56 | Guerin | not unless it's gone in over the weekend |
| 02:08.11 | cafuego | __dean: make a /tmp/old directory, change dir to it; download via ftp/http from http.us.debian.org the libc6_2.2.5-11.5 deb file. |
| 02:08.16 | ghc | lmh: We've been using it for half a week. Seems fine (Sarge, not backports). |
| 02:08.39 | yhg | see /msg dpkg xorg |
| 02:08.41 | __dean | ok |
| 02:08.42 | lmh | ghc: ok. did you upgrade the whole server? |
| 02:08.47 | happyhobo | i was told apt-get move earlier but I was irate and belittled so I didn't catch all of it |
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| 02:08.58 | ghc | lmh: My upgrade was transfering email from a woody box to a sarge box, so only had to deal with new cyrus and new postfix. |
| 02:09.06 | Guerin | happyhobo: apt-move |
| 02:09.14 | ghc | lmh: didn't do an in-place upgrade. |
| 02:09.22 | WiFiTux | Guerin, any idea why is not even in experimental? I mean, why is there no interest? Liscense thing? |
| 02:09.26 | Guerin | !tell happyhobo about custom d-i |
| 02:09.33 | happyhobo | Guerin: and then? |
| 02:09.34 | lmh | ghc: do you know if there exists a script for the conversions? |
| 02:09.53 | ghc | lmh: No script. Just instrucions in the Upgrade file I mentioned earlier. |
| 02:10.00 | ponds_ | WiFiTux: I think they want to get sarge out the door first |
| 02:10.11 | lmh | ghc: thanks, need to get that file. |
| 02:10.12 | Guerin | WiFiTux: because the debian packagers are concentrating on getting sarge released, and xorg still doesn't offer much that's radically different from xfree4.3.dfsg.x |
| 02:10.17 | WiFiTux | ponds_, they said the same about gnome. |
| 02:10.28 | ghc | lmh: No worries. |
| 02:10.34 | ponds_ | but I just heard from a friend that it's in experimental, and got really excited because XFree86 doesn't work right for me and xorg does and I really want to use debian |
| 02:10.38 | Guerin | WiFiTux: but gnome has already been packaged and is ready to go. |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | it's not |
| 02:10.42 | ghc | lmh: I can send it to you if you want |
| 02:10.52 | cafuego | Guerin: I thought it offered unequaled slowness with transparency enabled |
| 02:11.02 | lmh | ghc: would be nice |
| 02:11.03 | Guerin | WiFiTux: besides, gnome only affects a small proportion of debian users compared to ann X server... |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | WiFiTux: that's totally different .. xorg is a completely different way of doing X |
| 02:11.10 | WiFiTux | Guerin, really? no real difference? the transparency thing is gnome's or xorgs? I know, I have 2.8 |
| 02:11.10 | pipeline | ponds_: What hardware are you using that xorg is functional and XFree 4.3-dfsg is not? |
| 02:11.11 | yhg | It's not so much that they're busy with sarge (though they are), it's that moving to xorg would cause major organizational issues that no one wants to deal with yet. |
| 02:11.22 | Guerin | cafuego: that's a useful feature. |
| 02:11.24 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ahh, ok. |
| 02:11.43 | ponds_ | pipeline: it isn't hardware, and it isn't that XF86-dsfg doesn't work, its just quirks with the debian patches screwing up fonts and stuff |
| 02:11.56 | Guerin | ponds_: I don't believe you |
| 02:11.57 | happyhobo | oh my fucking God this is going to be difffuckingcult |
| 02:11.58 | cafuego | __dean: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.2.5-11.5_i386.deb |
| 02:12.00 | __dean | crap i have no idea how to get it |
| 02:12.00 | pipeline | ponds_: Sounds like you have larger problems than your choice of X server. |
| 02:12.06 | __dean | cafuego: thanks |
| 02:12.10 | ponds_ | Guerin: ok |
| 02:12.19 | scandic | cafuego: I've installed postfix now :) |
| 02:12.23 | ponds_ | well everything works fine with xorg |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | ponds_: which card? |
| 02:12.30 | __dean | got it |
| 02:12.30 | yhg | The current xorg is monolithic and not all that different from xf86, but they're moving to a completely different modular organization that would be a right pain for the people whose job it would be to package it to deal with the first time. |
| 02:12.31 | cafuego | scandic: much better :-) |
| 02:12.34 | ponds_ | and any non-debian XF86 |
| 02:12.35 | Guerin | ponds_: under what distro? |
| 02:12.40 | __dean | cafuego: got it |
| 02:12.48 | ponds_ | Guerin: any distro, including debian with a custom xorg |
| 02:12.49 | __dean | dpkg -i ? |
| 02:12.50 | dpkg | __dean: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:12.56 | scandic | cafuego: Depends... would you tell me how to map incoming mail for info@maxxbone.com to user i.maxxbone ? |
| 02:12.58 | ponds_ | abrotman: it doesn't matter which card |
| 02:12.59 | pipeline | ponds_: I think you have a lot of troubleshooting to do. :P |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | ponds_: yes it does |
| 02:13.10 | Guerin | ponds_: it really does |
| 02:13.12 | cafuego | __dean: dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.5_i386.deb |
| 02:13.15 | ponds_ | pipeline: i think id rather just use a non-depricated xserver |
| 02:13.20 | __dean | okay |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | ponds_: and if you're going to be an ass .. go away |
| 02:13.26 | Guerin | xfree86 isn't deprecated |
| 02:13.27 | ponds_ | well i use the same set up on six different boxes with a ton of cards |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | and xfree86 isn't deprecated you fuckwit |
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| 02:13.31 | yhg | xf86 is not deprecated. |
| 02:13.46 | fireydeviant | how is support for pci express ddr2 or socket775 on debian right now? |
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| 02:13.48 | __dean | cafuego: may you have a look at #flood please ? |
| 02:13.57 | yhg | The debian team is even backporting what they can from 4.4 to 4.3, hence the 'dsfg' in the package name. |
| 02:13.58 | Qo-noS | yhg: yeah...Daniel Stone and Fabbione (concurrent Debian/Ubuntu X devels) sure has their hands full with xorg on Ubuntu. ;-) |
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| 02:14.30 | WiFiTux | fireydeviant, yep. I use it. Sid, kernel 2.6.9 gives you everything you want... I have tested it and works like a beauty,. |
| 02:14.36 | cafuego | scandic: Just set up an alias info@maxxbone.com: i.maxxbone |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | __dean: really .. kill the other guy |
| 02:14.49 | cafuego | scandic: Or you could go the pretty solution! |
| 02:14.58 | fireydeviant | should I wait till it goes testing WiFiTux? |
| 02:15.02 | __dean | abrotman: he pays the server..... i lack of money |
| 02:15.09 | WiFiTux | fireydeviant, also most of it is OS independant... Just get a smp kernel because of HT.. |
| 02:15.11 | scandic | cafuego: that would be ? |
| 02:15.15 | __dean | abrotman: i'm not really better though |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | __dean: doesn't make him smart |
| 02:15.19 | WiFiTux | fireydeviant, no! Why? use sarge then! |
| 02:15.23 | cafuego | __dean: dean, go to the hospital and beat the other guy soem more. |
| 02:15.30 | fireydeviant | k |
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| 02:15.47 | rich_ | Hello everyone |
| 02:15.52 | __dean | abrotman: no, doesn't, but makes him harder to unroot :P |
| 02:15.57 | cafuego | scandic: postfix with a courier+mysq/ldap backend for virtual mail ;-) |
| 02:15.58 | omoore | yeah baby.. i just installed debian for the first time :o) |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | !rootsmite __dean's partner in crime |
| 02:16.10 | scandic | cafuego: aliases aren't domaindependant... I have 47 domains... means I have 47 info@, 47 webmaster@ etc... |
| 02:16.20 | __dean | hehe |
| 02:16.20 | __dean | :) |
| 02:16.21 | omoore | (ok.. w/out it being a knoppix installation) |
| 02:16.27 | __dean | so.... dead ? |
| 02:16.34 | cafuego | scandic: all mapped to real system accounts? |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | __dean: is it remote? |
| 02:16.43 | scandic | cafuego: Yes |
| 02:16.46 | __dean | abrotman: yes |
| 02:16.51 | __dean | i ssh to it |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | __dean: so .. you can't even rebuild it? |
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| 02:16.56 | happyhobo | DOES DEBIAN THE ONE THE ONLY THE REAL DEAL PUT OUT A SINGLE DISC 650 MB DISTRO? |
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| 02:17.06 | abrotman | happyhobo: stfu |
| 02:17.12 | dondelelcaro | happyhobo: stop with the caps already, please. |
| 02:17.12 | Guerin | happyhobo: you fucking idiot |
| 02:17.18 | omoore | happyhobo, knoppix |
| 02:17.22 | cafuego | scandic: Sory, add 'user@domain.com domain.u' to /etc/postfix/virtual |
| 02:17.29 | __dean | well, i'll have to call co admin which will call hosting to load a new image |
| 02:17.29 | Guerin | omoore: knopix != debian |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | happyhobo: why doesn't d-i work? |
| 02:17.43 | omoore | Guerin, true.. but it's based on it |
| 02:17.50 | Guerin | happyhobo: yes, the one-disc distro is called "CD1" |
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| 02:17.52 | cafuego | scandic: Make sure /etc/postfix/main.cf references virtual; run 'postmap hash:/etc/postfix/virtual' |
| 02:17.53 | __dean | that's UML server.... |
| 02:17.55 | happyhobo | what is d-i |
| 02:18.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell happyhobo about d-i |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | sarge installer |
| 02:18.06 | Guerin | !knoppixsmite omoore |
| 02:18.08 | omoore | Guerin, ahh.. i thought he meant a livecd |
| 02:18.12 | Gwildor | when synaptic or apt downloads a package.....where does it go? |
| 02:18.13 | relbs | anyone know where I can find a document explaining how I can customize the gnome main menu (the foot menu)? |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | the 110MB image you downloaded |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | relbs: gnome.org ? |
| 02:18.24 | FieldySnuts | oh christ not that lame ass knoppix argument |
| 02:18.25 | FieldySnuts | so old |
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| 02:18.36 | abrotman | relbs: oh .. the menu system .. /usr/share/doc/menu ? |
| 02:18.38 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: yet so current... |
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| 02:18.56 | cafuego | __dean: If there is a way to rescue that install , I don't know what it is :-( |
| 02:19.09 | abrotman | Gwildor: /var/cache/dpkg/archives |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | something like that |
| 02:19.33 | Guerin | s/dpkg/apt/ |
| 02:19.34 | __dean | cafuego: okay, no worries, thanks a lot to have tried, i couldn't even get this far in the diagnosis without you, thanks a lot |
| 02:19.34 | scandic | cafuego: Can you tell me the configuration value for main.cf? |
| 02:19.41 | __dean | abrotman: Thanks a lot to you too |
| 02:19.43 | cafuego | scandic: Yep, ust a moment. |
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| 02:19.48 | scandic | cafuego: thx |
| 02:19.51 | FieldySnuts | eww sendmail :( |
| 02:19.53 | __dean | the box is dead... that's ok... |
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| 02:20.04 | abrotman | cafuego: could redo the basedebs stuff? |
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| 02:20.27 | cafuego | virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual |
| 02:20.58 | stoned | i logged out and logged back and now my panels in gnome have disappeared, it says, panel already running, now exiting mesage box a few times |
| 02:20.59 | cafuego | scandic: You may need 'alias_maps' instead of 'virtual_alias_maps' |
| 02:21.02 | relbs | abrotman: the gnome user guides only explain how to customize the application menu, but don't explain how a user can customize the top level menu. like, how did debian get the "Debian Menu" in there? I haven't been able to figure that out at all =/ |
| 02:21.40 | scandic | cafuego: so virtual alias maps are a replacement for regular alias maps? |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | relbs: i todl you ... /usr/share/doc/menu .. it's part of the debian menu system |
| 02:21.51 | omoore | how can i get a list of sources for apt? |
| 02:21.58 | Guerin | apt-setup |
| 02:22.07 | omoore | thx |
| 02:22.10 | happyhobo | I'll just here download all I need and when Linux gets a dependency issue that can't be resolved as it always will and does I'll just do it all again. apparently to run linux you must get used to reformatting and reinstalling. |
| 02:22.25 | stoned | happyhobo, no |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | happyhobo: no .. i installed most of my machines once |
| 02:22.29 | The_Vulture | happyhobo: not really, no.. |
| 02:22.41 | The_Vulture | I have had the same debian install for the past.. 2 years, and that's still pretty fresh |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | happyhobo: i had one machine i upgraded about 5 times .. never reinstalled |
| 02:23.00 | stoned | could anyone tell me how to get my panels back in gnome? |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | stoned: start 'gnome-panel; |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | err 'gnome-panel' |
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| 02:23.18 | stoned | i can't run any commands |
| 02:23.25 | Guerin | wtf is up with all these gdmf gnome questions today? |
| 02:23.36 | Qo-noS | happyhobo: the d-i installs a base system. can't see where your dependency issues will come in. I have installed a box with it but recently for a friend |
| 02:23.40 | rich_ | happyhobo Yea, maybe you should try again when you have more time |
| 02:23.42 | Guerin | stoned: why not? |
| 02:23.46 | stoned | i can't even get to xterm |
| 02:23.47 | relbs | abrotman: sorry, i didn't realize because that folder doesn't exist on my system (i'm running unstable)... |
| 02:23.49 | omoore | happyhobo, while not debian, i have a machine that has been updated from rh5.2 all the way to rh9.0, never reinstalled |
| 02:23.50 | Guerin | stoned: why not? |
| 02:23.59 | cafuego | scandic: When you get half an hour or so, check out http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 02:24.00 | Guerin | omoore: really? |
| 02:24.04 | omoore | Guerin, yes |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | relbs: well .. it should .. are you really using debian? |
| 02:24.18 | cafuego | Guerin: They prolly all went from 2.6 to 2.8 on sid |
| 02:24.27 | stoned | only thing opens up when I log in is xchat, i see icons in desktop, but no panels, it kept saying panel already running now exiting error box, all i did was log out and login again |
| 02:24.32 | Guerin | omoore: wow, normally in-place upgrade break horribly on redhaat... |
| 02:24.42 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you are going to eat all that? |
| 02:24.45 | happyhobo | 3 times I've had dependency issues I couldn't resolve and had to start fresh. this has been with mepiss though that's why i want to go to real Debian |
| 02:24.46 | scandic | cafuego: I already visited this site. However, I don't like to use a mysql db for mail :) |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | WiFiTux: all of you? |
| 02:24.55 | WiFiTux | abrotman, :) |
| 02:24.55 | omoore | Guerin, a few things broke.. like mp3's when i went from 6.2 to 7.0 |
| 02:24.56 | Guerin | stoned: does alt+f2 give you a prompt? |
| 02:25.02 | stoned | no |
| 02:25.05 | Guerin | omoore: that was broken by design, though |
| 02:25.09 | omoore | Guerin, and the video always broke, but those were simple reconfigurations |
| 02:25.17 | relbs | abrotman: it's definitely debian. installed with the sarge rc1 installer. running 2.6.7-1-686 |
| 02:25.22 | WiFiTux | omoore, mp3 was from 7.0 to 7.2 |
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| 02:25.36 | jonesy | stoned: ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 02:25.39 | happyhobo | Debian comes as 7 cds? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | relbs: but you dont' have menu isntalled? `dpkg -l menu` |
| 02:25.47 | Guerin | happyhobo: depends on the release. |
| 02:25.50 | omoore | WiFiTux, it was in that range.. |
| 02:25.54 | WiFiTux | happyhobo, yes, DOWNLOAD THEM all, and install every paclage |
| 02:25.54 | Guerin | happyhobo: sarge will be ~14 |
| 02:25.59 | stoned | i made a new link to xterm on desktop and got to it, then I typed gnome-panel and it popped the error box again, saying i have already detected a panel running |
| 02:26.01 | omoore | Guerin, also, vmware broke with each upgrade... |
| 02:26.07 | FieldySnuts | screw vmware |
| 02:26.21 | Guerin | stoned: killall gnome-panel ; gnome-panel & |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | stoned: kill them all .. restart it |
| 02:26.27 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:26.27 | FieldySnuts | i'm a fan of back all your junk up, reinstall |
| 02:26.27 | omoore | Guerin, but then, it broke with each kernel update too, since it has something that must b compiled for each new kernel |
| 02:26.28 | happyhobo | megottapiss is one 650 mb disc |
| 02:26.50 | stoned | thank you |
| 02:26.53 | Guerin | happyhobo: think you could mention why we'd care? |
| 02:27.21 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: he's just a troll |
| 02:27.24 | Guerin | happyhobo: if you want a 1-disc debian, get sarge CD1. |
| 02:27.31 | omoore | Guerin, other than knoppix, this is my first debian install tho |
| 02:27.32 | FieldySnuts | and part time Wal-Mart greeter |
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| 02:27.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:28.12 | WiFiTux | How do I know that something in /etc/init.d/ is to start on boot? |
| 02:28.17 | FieldySnuts | he is also a Vanilla Ice "word to your mother" jacket cleaner |
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| 02:28.29 | abrotman | WiFiTux: check your default init level .. is there a link? |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | WiFiTux: you use sysvconfig and look |
| 02:28.52 | happyhobo | FieldySnuts: stfu |
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| 02:29.12 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 02:29.22 | WiFiTux | abrotman, is listed under /etc/init.d yes.... that means is on boot? |
| 02:29.35 | abrotman | no |
| 02:29.38 | WiFiTux | :/ |
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| 02:29.55 | abrotman | WiFiTux: what program? |
| 02:30.00 | Guerin | WiFiTux: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:30.05 | happyhobo | you're not on dialup trying to get a solid linux and have reformatted 3 times with over 120 hours download time |
| 02:30.07 | WiFiTux | laptop-mode-tools |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | happyhobo: why doesn't the installer work? |
| 02:30.18 | __dean | cafuego: may i query to you a second please ? |
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| 02:30.22 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok... |
| 02:30.28 | Guerin | happyhobo: NO, I would have gotten it right the first time. |
| 02:30.41 | FieldySnuts | no shit |
| 02:31.54 | stoned | happyhobo, go to your public library, the books on linux come with cds |
| 02:31.54 | happyhobo | dependency issues that couldn't be resolved that would make win dll conflicts appear normal |
| 02:31.55 | cafuego | scandic: te mysql (or ldap) is only used to store account auth info, the actual mail is maildir format on disk. |
| 02:32.14 | scandic | cafuego: Yep... |
| 02:32.17 | Guerin | happyhobo: with which distro? Because I can tell you surre as hell it wwasn't debian sarge... |
| 02:32.20 | joeinspirit | Question: I have a strange problem. Only with debian not with Fedora or Winxp. When I use debian sarge my monitor starts to go in and out of focus. I have setup xf98config with the correct information for horizontal vertical sync. I am running it the best refresh rate and resolution for the montior. |
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| 02:32.23 | Agrajag- | hey all, im using testing, and i did an update/upgrade, and kde got upgraded, and the version seems a bit screwed. it was on "3.1.2" but now it shows up as "42"? what's going on? |
| 02:32.24 | joeinspirit | Any idea?s |
| 02:32.32 | cafuego | scandic: makes it easy to set up a system where users can modify their own mail aliases etc.... charge them for the freedom to do so and save yourself time :-) |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | Agrajag-: #debian-kde |
| 02:32.47 | Guerin | Agrajag-: the metapackage is incorrectly versioned. |
| 02:33.05 | cafuego | scandic: And what's really cool is that say proftpd can auth against mysql or ldap as well. |
| 02:33.09 | Guerin | Agrajag-: look at the version of kdelibs4 to see what version your kde actually is |
| 02:33.16 | Agrajag- | ok, ta |
| 02:33.17 | stoned | joeinspirit, try dopping the refresh rate a littel bit |
| 02:33.25 | cafuego | scandic: so users can ALSO handle their virtual website that way. |
| 02:33.32 | scandic | cafuego: hmm... I might think about it... but for now, I have to get a workin mta :) |
| 02:33.33 | Agrajag- | (i thought kde wasn't going to be upgraded until sarge was released stable?) |
| 02:33.35 | happyhobo | damn debian and linux is more fun then a fat chick in a bathtub covered in k=y |
| 02:33.44 | stoned | that is disgusting |
| 02:33.52 | WiFiTux | hahahaha |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | Agrajag-: what's it at now? |
| 02:33.54 | cafuego | !fgi happyhobo tubgirl |
| 02:33.54 | rich_ | happyhobo Your right, It's not easy to learn. One time I got up at 5 am and rode my bicycle 15 miles every morning, in the freezing cold, to get to a community college so I could learn something. It must have been brain damage |
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| 02:33.55 | dpkg | happyhobo: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=tubgirl |
| 02:33.55 | jrr | yeah let's do him a favor and pretend he didn't say that |
| 02:33.55 | Agrajag- | oh - it's still 3.2.3, nevermind then |
| 02:34.00 | scandic | cafuego: ...and btw.. it still doesnt work. I'm getting "mail loops back to me" |
| 02:34.05 | Agrajag- | just 3.2.3-2 now |
| 02:34.09 | Joint | !man |
| 02:34.09 | dpkg | hmm... man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 02:34.15 | stoned | rich_, word |
| 02:34.23 | cafuego | scandic: Did you tell it the domains it's the final destination for? |
| 02:34.29 | Guerin | Agrajag-: that's roughly the same as it's always been ... it hasn't kicked up to 3.3, and probably won't |
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| 02:34.40 | WiFiTux | cafuego, that is so Fucking nasty... |
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| 02:35.11 | stoned | fucking with a capital F |
| 02:35.15 | directhex | rich_, try a better college that teahces the diff between 'your' and 'you're' |
| 02:35.22 | cafuego | and a capital UCKING |
| 02:35.22 | scandic | cafuego: think so.. i've added all domains to virtual_alias_domains |
| 02:35.32 | happyhobo | would it be more fun to coat the chick with k-y or the bathtub |
| 02:35.41 | Guerin | directhex: you're not at work! Did they let you off on good behavior? |
| 02:35.49 | Guerin | happyhobo: stop |
| 02:35.59 | directhex | Guerin, it's half 2 in the morning. |
| 02:36.01 | rich_ | directhex I do that for you, you know. Your life would be so empty without grammer |
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| 02:36.11 | cafuego | scandic: try virtual_mailbox_domains |
| 02:36.18 | directhex | rich_, grammar |
| 02:36.19 | Davidcc6_ | how, can i have more resolution in console |
| 02:36.20 | WiFiTux | what's k-y? |
| 02:36.23 | Guerin | directhex: but you've been lgged in as directhex|work solidly for the last month or so... |
| 02:36.24 | stoned | directhex, lol |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | how can i have a console |
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| 02:36.30 | directhex | WiFiTux, a water-based lubricating jelly |
| 02:36.36 | Guerin | WiFiTux: kentucky |
| 02:36.38 | directhex | Guerin, that's my work pc |
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| 02:36.42 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 02:36.53 | WiFiTux | directhex, you and your grammar |
| 02:37.44 | Davidcc6_ | i need have more resolution in console, coz i have a monitor of 17" and the letters are so bigs |
| 02:37.47 | happyhobo | yep, time to make my own distro fatchickix |
| 02:37.54 | lightgamer21 | darkgamer20: 3y3 pwn j00! |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | !co |
| 02:37.58 | dpkg | i guess co is Colombia |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 02:38.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:38.04 | darkgamer20 | hello can someon help me with debian sarge and my link sys router? |
| 02:38.10 | WiFiTux | !cr |
| 02:38.10 | dpkg | from memory, cr is Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;) |
| 02:38.21 | stoned | lol |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | darkgamer20: just ask |
| 02:38.24 | darkgamer20 | <lightgamer21> huh? |
| 02:38.34 | lightgamer21 | I didn't say that |
| 02:38.37 | WiFiTux | what does Carriage Return mean? |
| 02:38.38 | scandic | cafuego: still the same error |
| 02:38.50 | stoned | WiFiTux, Return/Enter key |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | WiFiTux: are you playing dumb today? |
| 02:38.58 | Davidcc6_ | there the ppl dont have soul, and dont help |
| 02:39.08 | lightgamer21 | abrotman: no, je just IS |
| 02:39.18 | happyhobo | my netinstall download apparently died at 77% |
| 02:39.24 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I'm not from the US, there are some words/terms I dunno, sorry for that... |
| 02:39.43 | lightgamer21 | happyhobo: so restart from there. |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | grrr .. it's sunday! |
| 02:40.03 | WiFiTux | !sunday |
| 02:40.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 02:40.11 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: I think CR comes from the days of typewriters, but not certain |
| 02:40.11 | darkgamer20 | ok i bought a linksys wireless b router and didn't buy an adapter because i planned to use the ethernet metod and i am dual booting winxp and debian sarge and i use internet in winxp but i can't in debian sarge |
| 02:40.13 | lightgamer21 | even worse, it's monday here |
| 02:40.20 | stoned | happyhobo, go to your public library, the books on linux come with cds... |
| 02:40.36 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, you lost me even more.. Type Writers? |
| 02:40.41 | stoned | WiFiTux, lol |
| 02:40.53 | happyhobo | lightgamer: i can do that? |
| 02:40.56 | WiFiTux | stoned, really. |
| 02:41.08 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: hehe - those old-fashioned machines ppl used to use before there were wordprocessors ;-) |
| 02:41.13 | The_Vulture | darkgamer20: you are connecting with a Cat-5 cable to a wireless router (through its wired ports) yes? and do you have the right network config in your debian partition? what errors occur when it tries to acquire an IP address via DHCP (I assume that's how windows and linux are both setup) |
| 02:41.18 | lightgamer21 | !ppl |
| 02:41.18 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
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| 02:41.48 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, ahhh!!! of course... :-/ my bad. and Sorry. |
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| 02:42.09 | Xenguy | keeeel heeem |
| 02:42.22 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, it's really a Scientific name for such key... :/ |
| 02:42.24 | darkgamer20 | i am connecting through the wired ports and when i open up mozilla it says it can't go to my home page |
| 02:42.24 | gloatmet | it seems my kernel doesn't recognize my cdrom device, the issue is the kernel is trying to mount it with no success.. but it is always trying! .. I get this message: hdd: ATAPI reset complete |
| 02:42.24 | gloatmet | hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 02:42.25 | gloatmet | hdd: irq timeout: error=0x00 |
| 02:42.30 | gloatmet | how can I stop that process ? |
| 02:42.33 | Guerin | gloatmet: beatings |
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| 02:42.39 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: yeah, quirky for sure |
| 02:42.40 | gloatmet | or say it stop to trying to mount |
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| 02:43.10 | WiFiTux | Ohh, boy I really need a English teacher to learn all this slangs. |
| 02:43.16 | WiFiTux | !dict quirky |
| 02:43.18 | dpkg | Dictionary 'quirky' informal terms; strikingly unconventional |
| 02:43.29 | jetscreamer | how do i deny access to the internet to specific users |
| 02:43.29 | WiFiTux | ahhh |
| 02:43.41 | jetscreamer | !dict quirk |
| 02:43.42 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, remove the Cat5? |
| 02:43.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'quirk' (2 shown; 11 total): Some odd quirks and remnants of wit. --Shak. ;; Quirk \Quirk\, n. [Written also querk.] [Cf W. chwiori to turn briskly, or E. queer.] 1. A sudden turn; a starting from the point or line; hence, an artful evasion or subterfuge; a shift; a quibble; as, the quirks of a pettifogger. ``Some quirk or . . . evasion.'' --Spenser.. |
| 02:43.45 | Guerin | jetscreamer: plug out their internet connections |
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| 02:43.55 | rich_ | english is transitional anyway. It's just a tool for learning c. |
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| 02:44.12 | jetscreamer | WiFiTux, Guerin , i still want the box to be able to do net stuff, just not the kids :) |
| 02:44.19 | darkgamer20 | ummvulture are you there? |
| 02:44.29 | darkgamer20 | umm vulture are you there? |
| 02:44.32 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, use iptables and deny a list of mac addresses, is really easy. |
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| 02:44.42 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: quirky just means 'odd', or 'weird in a nervous kind of way' (at least that is how I use the word :-) |
| 02:44.51 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, or a frame of IP addreses |
| 02:44.52 | jetscreamer | one can have quirks, also |
| 02:45.19 | jethro | jetscreamer: I think you can have iptables allow / deny on a per uid base |
| 02:45.23 | jetscreamer | WiFiTux, i don't want them doing anything on the net. during the week. but i do want the box to be able to access the net. jsut not them. |
| 02:45.27 | Xenguy | rich_: hehe |
| 02:45.29 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
| 02:45.30 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, ahh ok. I talk english all day with my customers, but dunno all those wicked words |
| 02:45.39 | jetscreamer | k jethro thx |
| 02:45.43 | jethro | yw |
| 02:45.49 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, I get it. No Internet at all? |
| 02:46.07 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: you know more languages than me ;-) I'm trying to learn French, but it's tough |
| 02:46.16 | jetscreamer | WiFiTux, yeah they got a couple bad grades, no more aim |
| 02:46.18 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, sometimes or never? |
| 02:46.21 | jetscreamer | or moz |
| 02:46.30 | jetscreamer | sometimes yes, like weekends |
| 02:46.40 | Guerin | jetscreamer: haha, this is your kids? |
| 02:46.45 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, je suis Alejandro, comment allez vous/ |
| 02:46.56 | rich_ | cutting off the kids internet is good, it teaches them to use knoppix |
| 02:46.58 | jetscreamer | i don't want them getting creative on me and hacking their way out either.. lyeah Guerin my kids |
| 02:47.02 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: je vais bien, toi? |
| 02:47.03 | disasm | jetscreamer: block the aim port (not sure what it is) |
| 02:47.06 | Guerin | jetscreamer: fascist |
| 02:47.15 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, tre bien. |
| 02:47.24 | darkgamer20 | The_Vulture: I am connecting through the wired ports and when i open up mozilla it says it can't go to my home page |
| 02:47.27 | jetscreamer | they shouldn't have gotten a bad grade |
| 02:47.30 | Guerin | jetscreamer: just wait, I'll email and tell them about init=/bin/sh |
| 02:47.32 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, parlare il italiano? banbino? |
| 02:47.35 | jetscreamer | my fault, too permisive |
| 02:47.59 | yhg | jetscreamer: Maybe they're just dumb. Shouldn't punish them for being dumb. |
| 02:48.11 | jethro | lol |
| 02:48.12 | jetscreamer | ~penixstrike yhg |
| 02:48.14 | apt | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking yhg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:48.14 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 02:48.15 | happyhobo | i stopped it, restarted now i have to start all over |
| 02:48.16 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: Nous serai 'LARTED' - attencion ;-) |
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| 02:48.30 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, translation: Do you speak Italian? Kid? |
| 02:48.34 | Guerin | happyhobo: use a real downloader, then. |
| 02:48.50 | jetscreamer | happyhobo, there's even wget for windows |
| 02:49.21 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, I have mid french, low italian, but Italian is so like Spanish, that I can get it easily. Portuguese is 40% spanish written. |
| 02:49.21 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: no sh*t, I didn't know wget was available for windows (as in without cygwin) |
| 02:49.39 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 02:49.43 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, the point, do you want them with internet at all? |
| 02:49.48 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: CLI or GUI then? |
| 02:49.54 | jetscreamer | no not during the week |
| 02:50.01 | jetscreamer | cli iirx Xenguy |
| 02:50.03 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 02:50.17 | Guerin | jetscreamer: how old are your kids, out of interest? |
| 02:50.25 | jetscreamer | 15 & 14 |
| 02:50.42 | happyhobo | later folks moving on to piss off the folks at mepis |
| 02:50.47 | Guerin | jetscreamer: all the kids I teach (mostly 11~13) have massive computer restrictions placed on them |
| 02:50.50 | jetscreamer | excuuuuuse me... almost 16 and almost 15 |
| 02:51.01 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: so your nick is derived from your kids? Cool ;-) |
| 02:51.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: hahaha |
| 02:51.15 | jetscreamer | Xenguy, no my wife's name is judy... |
| 02:51.17 | happyhobo | when I buy the 7 cd set od debian i'll be back to troll some more. lol |
| 02:51.18 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, well, then yes. What you can simply do... is to make a script to modify the /etc/resolv.conf for the weekend,or to change the default gw, and then in the weekend with crontab to let it run a script and have the correct config. Are they root? |
| 02:51.23 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 02:51.23 | cafuego | Old enough to be my kids |
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| 02:51.35 | jetscreamer | WiFiTux, my bot runs on one of their boxes |
| 02:51.43 | Guerin | happyhobo: the 7cd set won't do you much good |
| 02:51.57 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, ahh! Well, buy a $100 box for the bot... :/ |
| 02:52.01 | jethro | move the bot and blackhole the boxes :) |
| 02:52.23 | jetscreamer | yeah. i have a k6-2/400 just sitting here |
| 02:52.25 | initech | jetscreamer: a proxy firewall would be the best solution I think, since then you can restrict by uid |
| 02:52.25 | happyhobo | Guerin: why not? |
| 02:52.42 | initech | can't socks do that? |
| 02:52.42 | cafuego | zignig: how about a wet floor and some 240v wire? |
| 02:52.45 | Guerin | happyhobo: unless you want software that's ~2 years old |
| 02:53.13 | zignig | cafuego: or a Tesla coil and some large rubber boots for you (Mwhahahahahahaa) :) |
| 02:53.14 | close_to_debian | i need to use a too for automounting of cd which is the best option automount,supermount or ivman |
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| 02:53.53 | happyhobo | you're telling me the official debian 7 cd set is out of date? |
| 02:53.54 | cafuego | or just hold 'em under water for longer |
| 02:53.57 | jetscreamer | proxy firewall, socks, iptables... |
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| 02:54.02 | jetscreamer | happyhobo, yeah |
| 02:54.09 | jetscreamer | happyhobo, one moment |
| 02:54.16 | cafuego | happyhobo: any linux cd is out of date a week after is releases |
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| 02:54.20 | Guerin | happyhobo: debian only releases cd sets when it makes a stable release |
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| 02:54.46 | Guerin | happyhobo: the last debian stable release was in 2002; the next one will be haappening Real Soon Now (TM) |
| 02:54.47 | yhg | The last stable release is 2 years old, and testing and sid don't get cd releases. |
| 02:54.57 | gloatmet | so how do I say to my kernel stop strying to mount a device ? |
| 02:55.10 | thomas_adam | gloatmet: noauto -- in /etc/fstab |
| 02:55.11 | happyhobo | back to mepis |
| 02:55.14 | gloatmet | I get a lot of timeout messages |
| 02:55.15 | happyhobo | later |
| 02:55.23 | jetscreamer | happyhobo, get one of these |
| 02:55.23 | gloatmet | thomas_adam : ok, but I'm talking about right now |
| 02:55.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:55.36 | Guerin | jetscreamer: there's no sense trying to talk to him |
| 02:55.44 | jetscreamer | ok |
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| 02:55.55 | jetscreamer | what is SendQ |
| 02:56.09 | gloatmet | the kernel is trying to mount a cdrom device right now.. and I get a lof of timeout error messages |
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| 02:56.36 | gloatmet | hdd: irq timeout: error=0x00 |
| 02:56.43 | gloatmet | how do I stop it? |
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| 02:56.59 | jetscreamer | eject the cd if you can |
| 02:57.19 | happyhobo | that's a 12 hour download |
| 02:57.24 | gloatmet | i can'ti can't |
| 02:57.26 | close_to_debian | i need to use a too for automounting of cd which is the best option automount,supermount or ivman |
| 02:57.31 | omoore | WiFiTux, |
| 02:57.32 | jetscreamer | happyhobo, you 'could' do a net install |
| 02:57.34 | Guerin | !best |
| 02:57.34 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:57.36 | happyhobo | sorry folks |
| 02:57.38 | WiFiTux | omoore, ? |
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| 02:57.46 | jetscreamer | you wouldn't be downloading a full cd's worth, just what you wanted |
| 02:58.15 | WiFiTux | omoore, what happend? |
| 02:58.21 | jetscreamer | use the disks luke |
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| 02:58.27 | Guerin | someone set him up the bomb. |
| 02:58.35 | jetscreamer | how are you gentlemen |
| 02:58.58 | gloatmet | any idea? |
| 02:59.03 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 02:59.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:59.23 | gloatmet | Guerin : I guess dpkg is your best friend ever |
| 02:59.47 | Guerin | gloatmet: not ever. He keeps saying he's going to give me beer, but I never get it. |
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| 03:00.15 | Xenguy | !beer Guerin |
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| 03:00.31 | Xenguy | Guerin: you just gotta talk nice to him :-) |
| 03:00.56 | jetscreamer | he opens it, but where does the beer really go... |
| 03:00.57 | Guerin | Xenguy: but I DO. And the fucker still doesn't give it up. |
| 03:01.06 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | maybe I have to go and collect... |
| 03:01.23 | steve___ | hey- i got a quiestion. i have a netgear router, but port forwarding and DMZ dont work at all. i set them up and nothing happens. |
| 03:01.32 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: you must be a auditor ;-) |
| 03:01.41 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: or a lawyer |
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| 03:02.56 | gloatmet | how do I kill a process that I view with lsof ? |
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| 03:03.51 | cafuego | gloatmet: wth 'kill' - weird eh? |
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| 03:03.57 | gloatmet | it seems that's the way my kernel stop trying to mount a device |
| 03:03.59 | jetscreamer | i should have been a lawyer, but i took that 'other' path |
| 03:04.05 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 03:04.08 | jetscreamer | !moron jethro |
| 03:04.09 | dpkg | jethro: You are moron #95 |
| 03:04.12 | jetscreamer | ooops shit |
| 03:04.22 | jetscreamer | tab complete bites lately |
| 03:04.25 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 03:04.32 | jetscreamer | !moron jetscreamer |
| 03:04.32 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You are moron #58 |
| 03:04.35 | WiFiTux | Where can I find, the place where everything about a package is discussed? Like on the BTS I can find the mantainer... |
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| 03:05.11 | cafuego | WiFiTux: pdo |
| 03:05.33 | WiFiTux | pdo? |
| 03:05.35 | WiFiTux | !pdo |
| 03:05.36 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
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| 03:06.33 | fusion | uh oh |
| 03:06.37 | fusion | he wont like that! |
| 03:06.38 | cthulfuego | newbie wannabee evil |
| 03:06.59 | Xenguy | wow - I'm suddenly having these weird hallucinations 8-D |
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| 03:09.35 | fusion | haha I havent listened to them for a long time..they still making music, Xenguy ? |
| 03:10.16 | Xenguy | fusion: apparently as recently as the new millenium, but I have mostly old stuff from their evil daze ;-) |
| 03:10.23 | fusion | ahh |
| 03:11.08 | WiFiTux | I need acpi help... |
| 03:11.23 | Xenguy | fusion: I think Edgar is my favourite BS tune, pretty wicked guitar |
| 03:11.34 | fusion | hehheh |
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| 03:12.11 | Xenguy | I also like 'Dracula from Houston' enough to consider having it played at my funeral ;-) |
| 03:12.34 | fusion | heheh |
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| 03:12.38 | fusion | I like avalanche too |
| 03:12.48 | fusion | nice for bass |
| 03:13.01 | Xenguy | fusion: yeah, that was one of their commercial biggies AFAIK |
| 03:13.11 | fusion | oh ok |
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| 03:13.47 | Xenguy | fusion: er, I mean they had some (rare for them) commercial success with that tune |
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| 03:14.32 | fusion | ohh ok |
| 03:15.24 | jetscreamer | wtf is SendQ ^^^ |
| 03:15.34 | fusion | ircd thing |
| 03:15.43 | Xenguy | ww |
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| 03:16.30 | swim_love | can someone tell me how can I change the font size of gtk based applications |
| 03:16.36 | fusion | hahaha Family Guy is brilliant "Cigarettes killed my father....and raped my mother!" |
| 03:16.55 | Abercrombie | Whats the difference between the kernel 2.6 and 2.4 ? |
| 03:17.07 | jetscreamer | .2!!! |
| 03:17.11 | fusion | lolol |
| 03:17.14 | Abercrombie | And the difference between Debian and Deb Based (Libranet, Progeny, Userlinux) ? |
| 03:17.16 | exobyte | can anyone define the color in modern wwii movies? It's kinda like that of Sky Captain and the World of Tormorrow |
| 03:17.17 | jetscreamer | !calc 2.6-2.4 |
| 03:17.36 | fusion | Abercrombie, I've been told to use 2.4 for reliability requirements like running servers |
| 03:17.36 | initech | exobyte: sepia |
| 03:17.45 | fusion | but I havent actually had a prob with 2.6 beforwe |
| 03:17.46 | fusion | -w |
| 03:17.54 | dondelelcaro | hrm... 10x20 bold is munged with autohinting... |
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| 03:18.09 | Abercrombie | Well that doesnt say much, |
| 03:18.10 | Abercrombie | but thanks |
| 03:18.14 | exobyte | initech: uhh?? |
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| 03:18.35 | initech | exobyte: that's the color you're talking about, at least in Sky Captain |
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| 03:18.56 | skel_home | where in the kernel config can I look for console support and options? |
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| 03:19.14 | jetscreamer | device drivers --> something iirc |
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| 03:19.19 | carnage | what is a good bit torrent client for linux? |
| 03:19.22 | initech | exobyte: you're talking about that old photograph look? |
| 03:19.23 | skel_home | jetscreamer: heh =P |
| 03:19.25 | cthulfuego | skel_home: video option |
| 03:19.31 | initech | carnage: btdownloadheadless, etc. |
| 03:19.32 | skel_home | cthulfuego: ty :) |
| 03:19.37 | Nitrocld | carnage: azureus, bittorrent, bittornado |
| 03:19.37 | exobyte | initech: yeah |
| 03:19.48 | exobyte | initech: wait |
| 03:19.50 | meff | how do i go to the end of a file in vi? forgot |
| 03:19.52 | exobyte | initech: I fuckin googled it |
| 03:20.00 | skel_home | cthulfuego: you must be hungry |
| 03:20.08 | jrr | initech: btdownloadcurses! |
| 03:20.10 | cthulfuego | skel_home: Nah, just evil. |
| 03:20.13 | jetscreamer | device drivers --> character devices |
| 03:20.28 | skel_home | cthulfuego: =P |
| 03:20.33 | jetscreamer | btdownloadcurses is supplied by bittornado |
| 03:20.35 | skel_home | jetscreamer: ahh cool thx :) |
| 03:22.18 | skel_home | cthulfuego / jetscreamer: any idea what may cause this -> http://static.pokadotdog.com/IMG_0868.JPG that unable to open initial console |
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| 03:22.40 | skel_home | I've checked and there is a /dev/console |
| 03:23.07 | jetscreamer | i've seen ppl with that problem, but dunno how they fixed it |
| 03:23.15 | jetscreamer | kinda common i think |
| 03:23.19 | skel_home | yeah its a pain =P |
| 03:23.20 | jetscreamer | -ish |
| 03:23.56 | jetscreamer | mv the .config and start fresh |
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| 03:24.36 | skel_home | well if I don't know what I need to add or remove.. that really takes me two steps backwards as I may forget something I have in there now =P |
| 03:25.00 | skel_home | but I guess to go forward sometimes you have to take two steps back =/ |
| 03:25.35 | jetscreamer | after you do it 20 more times or so it wil be very fast |
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| 03:25.43 | skel_home | =D |
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| 03:26.30 | cthulfuego | pfff |
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| 03:26.53 | skel_home | I wonder if I2C is conflicting with something |
| 03:27.08 | skiesfalling | does debian support amd? if so what iso do i need? |
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| 03:27.39 | exobyte | initech: sepia seems to be for black and white, though, not color |
| 03:27.48 | jetscreamer | the iso has both intel and amd support when you install |
| 03:28.01 | jetscreamer | !tell skiesfalling about d-i |
| 03:28.29 | jetscreamer | amd-64 ask somebody else though, all i know is i think it's in |
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| 03:28.52 | jetscreamer | i doubt the i2c thing btw |
| 03:28.52 | initech | exobyte: you can apply filters for it to color; it gives a washed out look |
| 03:29.02 | initech | exobyte: try it in gimp |
| 03:29.28 | skiesfalling | ok thanks |
| 03:29.30 | skel_home | hmm |
| 03:30.26 | skiesfalling | thanks |
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| 03:30.53 | melazyboy | AMD will work, amd64 will require the AMD64 kernel-tree |
| 03:31.35 | exobyte | initech: I meant that the image is still color |
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| 03:34.24 | cwood | Stupid BASH question... why does this churn out '123'? I would have thought that /bin/false made the conditional [[ ]] evaluate as false.... [[ /bin/true && /bin/false ]] && echo 123 |
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| 03:35.20 | initech | exobyte: it would have to be a color image, since sepia is reddish brown. |
| 03:35.32 | Outlander | does modssl require EAPI to work in apache 1.3? |
| 03:36.09 | exobyte | initech: uh- multiple colors |
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| 03:36.59 | Senda | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.14 | Guerin | Senda: complain to real.com |
| 03:37.16 | Fosten | hi, i am working off 2.6.8 kernel image, trying to build lirc-modules-source... it was recommended that i only needed to compile against kernel headers, but receive "No rule to make target `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7/Rules.make'. Stop." error. any ideas? |
| 03:38.15 | Guerin | Senda: and email amazon saying that free software users can't fully utilise their site and that they should move to non-proprietary technologies. |
| 03:38.45 | Senda | I'll do it, thx. |
| 03:39.26 | initech | Senda: realplayer can play them at any rate. the helixplayer in debian doesn't play anything but mpeg and ogg afaik |
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| 03:42.10 | nicomen | after apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-386 I get a pivot_root not found error plus it can't find any modules I can't find anything useful on google either, is there something I can be doing wrong? |
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| 03:42.51 | revvy` | hi anyone tried sarge network installation? |
| 03:42.54 | wowie | where abouts can i change my xserver to run kde instead of xfce4 |
| 03:43.11 | revvy` | Theres one time where I install the base system half way, it prompt me whether I want to use kernel 2.4.x or 2.6.x. But now whenever I tried to install again, it did not prompt me anymore. |
| 03:43.46 | cwood | wowie: Go install all the kde packages, and then look into running 'kdm' or having your '.xsession' or '.xinitrc' (read up on them) start kde for you instead of xfce4. |
| 03:44.04 | Guerin | revvy`: ssarge uses 2.4 by default. If you want to install with 2.6, run "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 03:44.19 | wowie | cwood: so kdm is the thing i need to run |
| 03:44.20 | Guerin | revvy`: hif you've already installed wwith 2.4, it's trivial to upgrade though |
| 03:44.47 | revvy` | Guerin : so after running linux26, it will show the prompt whether to choose 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 03:45.14 | Guerin | revvy`: no, it'll boot and install with 2.6 |
| 03:45.34 | revvy` | hmm... strange how did I get that prompt lol |
| 03:45.40 | cyberkruz | Can someone help me. I just installed a secondary 260gb hdd, and cfdisk doesn't seem to think so :P |
| 03:45.41 | mikkele | I accidently added a sid mirror though I'm on sarge. I then installed kde which upgraded a bunch of packages to wrong versions. Is there anyway of recovering short of a reinstalling? |
| 03:45.46 | fusion | revvy`, I've gotten it too |
| 03:46.00 | cyberkruz | cfdisk says that is a 140gb. |
| 03:46.04 | fusion | I think it was when I went back a step from grub to use lilo instrad |
| 03:46.07 | fusion | *instead |
| 03:46.12 | revvy` | hmm.... |
| 03:46.13 | fusion | and then it kept going back to that menu |
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| 03:47.08 | jetscreamer | damn, d3 demo for linux is almost .5G |
| 03:47.27 | zignig | cyberkruz: your bios can se it, too old. |
| 03:47.36 | fusion | if you're referring to doom 3 its much like CS, jetscreamer |
| 03:48.00 | revvy` | oh btw anyone successfully run cs on debian? |
| 03:48.00 | cwood | wowie: You probably just need to fix up your .xsession or .xinitrc, depending on how you're starting X. |
| 03:48.02 | Guerin | !tell Abercrombie about away |
| 03:48.08 | revvy` | using cedega |
| 03:48.09 | jetscreamer | yes d3 |
| 03:48.12 | Guerin | !tell Abercrombie about wgaf |
| 03:48.20 | Guerin | !tell Abercrombie about essentially debian |
| 03:48.23 | cyberkruz | zignig: Ahh, a smert person among the masses. That is what I thought, but I wasn't sure. :). You think I can input the block size manually in the bios, just so I know before I reboot? |
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| 03:48.32 | fusion | wow thanks Abercrombie for telling all 705 of us that |
| 03:48.42 | fusion | jetscreamer, not worth it :P |
| 03:48.51 | fusion | it really is almost exactly like CS |
| 03:49.08 | cwood | !tell cwood about .xinitrc |
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| 03:49.24 | jetscreamer | hmmm wonder if hl2 has a linux demo |
| 03:49.27 | cwood | !tell wowiue about .xinitrc |
| 03:49.30 | cwood | !tell wowie about .xinitrc |
| 03:49.51 | omoore | i installed debian (sarge) tonight.. sound is working, however.. mixers are not... |
| 03:49.53 | zignig | cyberkruz: go into the bios try a drive autodetect, or set it to LBA or LARGE ..... |
| 03:49.54 | fusion | !tell #debian about .xinitrc |
| 03:49.58 | fusion | damn |
| 03:49.58 | omoore | so i can't control the volume... |
| 03:49.59 | fusion | lol |
| 03:50.11 | cyberkruz | zignig: thank you sir |
| 03:50.15 | omoore | and i can't turn up the volume on my tv card |
| 03:50.25 | mo699898 | anyone know why i dont have a /dev/adsp* they are physically there, but when i do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/adsp it says no such device |
| 03:50.34 | jetscreamer | hey where is the default mozilla page , the debian one, in the filesystem? |
| 03:50.41 | initech | omoore: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 03:50.49 | omoore | initech, i'm not really sure |
| 03:50.56 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 03:50.56 | dpkg | modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 03:51.32 | initech | omoore: look at what lsmod says. If you see a bunch of modules called snd_* that's alsa, and you'll have to use an alsa mixer |
| 03:51.52 | MrPoopyPants | when I try to apt-build gnome, it simply sits there doing nothing - what am I missing? |
| 03:52.03 | MrPoopyPants | apt-build install gnome |
| 03:52.05 | omoore | initech, initech looking |
| 03:52.15 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: see? did I tell you you'd have to come in here with all your stupid pebcak errors? |
| 03:52.44 | omoore | initech, neither oss or alsa are shown in the output of lsmod |
| 03:52.55 | jetscreamer | where is the default mozilla page on my hd! |
| 03:52.59 | omoore | initech, i do see [emu10k1] for sound |
| 03:53.00 | MrPoopyPants | listen jerky - Im trying to learn. If you dont like doing it thats your choice - but why you need to throw a tantrum over my efforts to learn is beyond me |
| 03:53.07 | initech | omoore: that's oss |
| 03:53.08 | jetscreamer | that's oss |
| 03:53.08 | MrPoopyPants | sheesh |
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| 03:53.14 | omoore | and for sound core... [bttv btaudio emu10k1 sound] |
| 03:53.33 | jetscreamer | you have capture card? |
| 03:53.37 | omoore | initech, recomendations? |
| 03:53.41 | omoore | jethro, yeah |
| 03:53.45 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: what a great learning opportunity this is! |
| 03:53.51 | jetscreamer | heh tab complete is BROKEN |
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| 03:53.54 | omoore | and my capture card works... |
| 03:54.02 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin - you should learn to get some therapy. |
| 03:54.05 | MrPoopyPants | anyhow |
| 03:54.09 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: hahaha |
| 03:54.19 | jetscreamer | my i just modprobe emu10k1 and it 'just works'(tm) |
| 03:54.21 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: you should learn some RTFM |
| 03:54.23 | jetscreamer | s/my/me/ |
| 03:54.39 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin therapy and medication. It'll help. |
| 03:54.44 | omoore | initech, jethro , any ideas why the system can't find any mixers? |
| 03:54.50 | omoore | is oss bad? |
| 03:55.00 | initech | omoore: what does aumix say when you start it? |
| 03:55.14 | hlp_me | hi, i'm newbie to linux, i'm using debian, i want to use my ratlink2500 wireless card, but its manufactered drivers neet to have custom compiled kernel, and i can't get the configuarition for it right... can somebody help me? i'm using compaq presario 2715US (2700 serries) |
| 03:55.14 | jetscreamer | i actually prefer oss to alsa for emu10k1, but i'm a minority |
| 03:55.17 | omoore | initech, lol.. command not found |
| 03:55.26 | omoore | installing |
| 03:55.44 | hlp_me | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.57 | omoore | initech, ok.. installed... now.. |
| 03:56.00 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: my only points are these: 1) use the system as it was designed to be used; and 2) if you use the system in other ways, be prepared to have things not work, and for you to have to figure them out for yourself |
| 03:56.05 | omoore | aumix launched just fine... |
| 03:56.09 | omoore | so i should prolly restart x |
| 03:56.11 | Fosten | hi, i am working off 2.6.8 kernel image, trying to build lirc-modules-source... it was recommended that i only needed to compile against kernel headers, but receive "No rule to make target `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7/Rules.make'. Stop." error. any ideas? |
| 03:56.16 | omoore | (or log out/in now) |
| 03:56.18 | omoore | right? |
| 03:56.27 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: if you want to build yourentire system from sources, use gentoo or freebsd. |
| 03:56.43 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: or linuxfromscratch |
| 03:56.47 | initech | omoore: can you adjust the setting and play sound in the console? |
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| 03:56.52 | jetscreamer | /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7/include *maybe* works for me with the nvidia installer all i know |
| 03:57.04 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin the system is designed to be used however I can manage to use it. It isnt windows, its tweakable. If you can't handle people trying to learn you really ought to get some help. |
| 03:57.17 | jetscreamer | MrPoopyPants, take it priv |
| 03:57.20 | omoore | initech, yeah |
| 03:57.39 | initech | omoore: what wm / desktop are you using in X? |
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| 03:57.51 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: I CAN handle people trying to learn, as long as they actually try. You're just whining that it doesn't work - why don't you try to figure out why it isn't, and from there, try to fix it? |
| 03:57.59 | omoore | initech, tried both gnome and kde... |
| 03:58.09 | omoore | initech, using gnome and kde's volume control programs |
| 03:58.09 | JRogerII | What command will get me the description of a package? |
| 03:58.14 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: at this stage, it seems like you just want other people to do your thinking for you - just as I predicted you would. |
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| 03:58.25 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin Im not whining, Youre throwing a temper tantrum over nothing, and you need to get some help. Badly. |
| 03:58.27 | jetscreamer | apt-cache maybe JRogerII |
| 03:58.27 | Guerin | JRogerII: apt-cache show |
| 03:58.31 | JRogerII | thanx |
| 03:58.39 | omoore | initech, i'll log out/in now that aumix is installed |
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| 03:59.03 | jetscreamer | you is in audio group eh |
| 03:59.07 | MrPoopyPants | anyhow - anyone know where to go from here? It just stops when I try to apt-build install gnome, and im not really sure if theres a log or anything around |
| 03:59.07 | omoore | initech, oh.. wait.. i was root in the console i used aumix in |
| 03:59.16 | omoore | jetscreamer, yes |
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| 03:59.27 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: you keep avoiding the issue by trying to say I'm mentally ill. That's a cop-out, and you're a sucka. |
| 03:59.27 | jetscreamer | jest a'checkin |
| 03:59.30 | initech | omoore: lol, are you in the audio group? |
| 03:59.36 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin get help. |
| 03:59.42 | jetscreamer | him say ya initech |
| 03:59.46 | omoore | jetscreamer, initech , ok.. i am in audio.. i can adjust wiht aumix on console |
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| 03:59.59 | omoore | jetscreamer, initech as my normal account that is |
| 04:00.03 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: I wonder what would happen if you tried to build a mtapackage... |
| 04:00.08 | Guerin | metapackage, I mean |
| 04:00.12 | jetscreamer | don't worry bout me i know nothing |
| 04:00.12 | omoore | jetscreamer, initech maybe aumix needed to be installed on start of the x session |
| 04:00.21 | Guerin | since there's nothing much to build.... |
| 04:00.24 | omoore | jetscreamer, initech, i'll brb.. going to log out/in |
| 04:00.29 | rich_ | MrPoopyPants There actually is channels where they sit around psycho analyzing each other and trying to form a conscensus about who needs help and who doesnt. |
| 04:00.33 | initech | omoore: no it isn't neccessary, just trying to simplify things |
| 04:00.41 | MrPoopyPants | i wonder what would happen if I could just get a little bit of help figuring out why gnome wont apt-build? |
| 04:00.52 | jonesy | where do you change your default window manager? |
| 04:00.54 | MrPoopyPants | rich - thats nice. |
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| 04:01.11 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: strace |
| 04:01.39 | jetscreamer | jonesy, man update-alternatives |
| 04:01.49 | jetscreamer | or update-alternatives --all |
| 04:01.51 | jonesy | thankyou :) |
| 04:01.51 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: and no, I'm not going to help you figure out how to use strace, or decipher its output |
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| 04:02.07 | jetscreamer | you can just choose to choose the window mngr |
| 04:02.13 | jetscreamer | but i dunno the switch |
| 04:02.38 | wobbler | why would anyone in there rite mine wont to use apt-build anyway |
| 04:02.40 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin thanks anyhow. buhbye now. |
| 04:02.45 | az[a]zel | damn I just slept in until 2:25pm |
| 04:02.49 | mtnman | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 04:03.19 | Guerin | wobbler: MrPoopyPants, for all his opinion that I am not in my right mind, wants to use it for his whole system. You figure it out. |
| 04:03.35 | jetscreamer | gent-deb ? |
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| 04:03.42 | jetscreamer | or debgenoo |
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| 04:03.52 | staniel | hello |
| 04:04.04 | jonesy | mtnman: cheers! worked well. |
| 04:04.06 | Guerin | !apt-gentoo |
| 04:04.06 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040331.230648.aa390e61.html |
| 04:04.07 | staniel | is anyone else having problems with gnome in unstable? |
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| 04:04.10 | irp | description of a senior developer? |
| 04:04.13 | mtnman | jonesy: welcome. |
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| 04:04.25 | jetscreamer | staniel, not yet |
| 04:04.29 | wobbler | Guerin i learned the hard way about a year ago after 26 hours of apt-build for gcc-3.2 i think it was |
| 04:04.40 | staniel | jetscreamer what do you mean not yet? |
| 04:04.40 | jetscreamer | staniel, you know it's slowly going 2.8 eh |
| 04:04.53 | omoore | initech, jetscreamer, odd.. aumix works fine under my normal user account.. but neither gnome or kde vol control apps find a mixer |
| 04:04.56 | jetscreamer | staniel, i mean i haven't run it today... did update it htough |
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| 04:05.01 | jonesy | blackbox is awesome compared to gnome/KDE in terms of speed! |
| 04:05.01 | staniel | jetscreamer yeah - maybe that is my problem - when I try to login to gnome it just sits there and does nothing |
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| 04:05.22 | staniel | or not |
| 04:05.22 | Guerin | wobbler: heh |
| 04:05.27 | staniel | it just logged int |
| 04:05.31 | jetscreamer | omoore, you can set that in the sound properties of gnome/kde respectively iirc.... it's multimedia something something for gnome |
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| 04:05.52 | wobbler | give me apt-get or nothing |
| 04:06.09 | streuner | staniel: display-manager? |
| 04:06.28 | staniel | streuner: gdm |
| 04:06.31 | jetscreamer | <S>treunerd00d---- |
| 04:06.38 | MrPoopyPants | I want to use apt-build to build gnome |
| 04:06.39 | jetscreamer | <S>treunerd--- |
| 04:06.48 | jetscreamer | you've been <S>treunerd---! |
| 04:06.56 | MrPoopyPants | if anyone can offer any help i'd appreciate it. |
| 04:06.59 | streuner | staniel: have you the same problems via ' startx'? |
| 04:07.05 | skel_home | if I have /boot in a seperate partition from / which partition needs to be the bootable one? just /boot right? |
| 04:07.20 | jonesy | skel_home: yes |
| 04:07.29 | jetscreamer | MrPoopyPants, most ppl use debian so the don't have to compile, it's just an option that most ppl don't take. you're on your own, mostly. |
| 04:07.32 | skel_home | jonesy: ty |
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| 04:07.48 | jetscreamer | MrPoopyPants, the ppl who want to compile stuff are probably using gentoo |
| 04:07.52 | zignig | wobbler: super cow powers or DEATH ! |
| 04:07.52 | cthomas | !gentoo-smite me |
| 04:08.12 | jonesy | skel_home: you're welcome |
| 04:08.13 | staniel | streuner: don't know, im logged in now.. |
| 04:08.16 | jetscreamer | so, MrPoopyPants , please please pretty please shut the fuck up |
| 04:08.17 | wobbler | zignig yeah |
| 04:08.18 | darkaudit | cthomas: I deserve one for even considering gentoo last night... |
| 04:08.20 | jetscreamer | no offense |
| 04:08.26 | MrPoopyPants | wow |
| 04:08.39 | MrPoopyPants | really serious mental problems folks |
| 04:08.41 | streuner | staniel: what does BTS say about gdm? |
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| 04:08.47 | hlp_me | hi, i'm newbie to linux, i want to use my ralink2500 wireless card, but its manufactered drivers neet to have custom compiled kernel, and i can't get the configuarition for it right... can somebody help me? i'm using compaq presario 2715US (2700 serries). |
| 04:08.49 | staniel | I don't think its GDM |
| 04:08.52 | cthomas | darkaudit , gentoo-smite doesn't work anymore.. ;( |
| 04:08.54 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: this coming from someone with continence issues |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: anyway, let me clarify what I said earlier: gnome is a metapackage. WTF is the point of building a metapackage? |
| 04:09.09 | jetscreamer | guerin, you're incontinent? |
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| 04:09.15 | staniel | I think ti has something to do with my firewall |
| 04:09.18 | streuner | staniel: so what do you think, if you don't know it for sure, magic? |
| 04:09.22 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no, MrPoopyPants is, according to his nick. |
| 04:09.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:09.30 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 04:09.32 | darkaudit | I ran the rc2 d-i instead... ended up with a better sys than the one I'd been running since August, even when updating often |
| 04:09.38 | jetscreamer | !win Guerin |
| 04:09.39 | MrPoopyPants | I'd like to enable 3dnow, mmx, and sse extensions in it when it is built. |
| 04:09.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:09.39 | staniel | :P |
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| 04:09.49 | staniel | so yeah... lets see what I have going on here |
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| 04:10.17 | omoore | initech, whew.. got it |
| 04:10.18 | jetscreamer | score, 10-love, Guerin |
| 04:10.25 | rich_ | MrPoopyPants One reason I chose debian is its easier to compile stuff. The libs are old enough to be stable. |
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| 04:10.34 | mwilson | Whoosh! |
| 04:10.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:10.45 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: just answer my question: what is the fucking point in building a metapackage with optimisations? |
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| 04:10.51 | mwilson | [3~ |
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| 04:11.03 | MrPoopyPants | rich - it may be easy to compile stuff - its hard as hell getting a little bit of help with it tho, at least without a maximum amount of harassment. |
| 04:11.22 | Guerin | you've got about 2 minutes before I go to work; I trust you'll still be trying when I get home, though, so maybe I'll explain more then |
| 04:11.35 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin dont bother. |
| 04:11.39 | MrPoopyPants | seriously |
| 04:11.45 | cthomas | !contort poopy |
| 04:11.52 | rellik | anyone here? |
| 04:12.01 | mwilson | No, no one is here. :) |
| 04:12.04 | cthomas | nope |
| 04:12.11 | darkaudit | rellik: and just where is here? |
| 04:12.51 | rich_ | Oh my God, I'm sorry. No one deserves to be in texas |
| 04:12.55 | mwilson | heh |
| 04:12.57 | mwilson | I like it here. |
| 04:12.58 | jrr | !contort something else |
| 04:12.59 | cthomas | MrPoopyPants , don't take it personally, this treatment is common to any linux help forum |
| 04:13.11 | mwilson | In small doses. |
| 04:13.33 | mwilson | Hm, screen and the delete key on my PB aren't getting along. |
| 04:13.36 | JRogerII | damn, a helluva lot's been said since I was in my CLI |
| 04:13.49 | mwilson | Where's simonrvn when you want him... |
| 04:14.11 | mwilson | For once I want to use screen and I can't backspace... |
| 04:14.23 | mo699898 | anyone know why when i do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/adsp it says no such device and i have all the modules loaded |
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| 04:14.49 | rich_ | MrPoopyPants irc is public. People on irc are mean. Don't let them hold your wallet. But I found the other other channels, especially the ones that are about other linux distributions, are much worse. |
| 04:14.49 | mwilson | Hm, another San Diegan! |
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| 04:15.01 | JRogerII | I'm making a command to print a package name and it's description. I was grep to match lines with Package or Description. I tried using grep -[E,e] [Package|Description] and it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me what switch to use? |
| 04:15.17 | mwilson | I thought I was the only person in SD that used Debian. |
| 04:15.32 | MrPoopyPants | rich_ its rather obvious that some of these people have been picked on in their lifetime, and are taking their rather severe issues out on others. I feel sorry for them. |
| 04:15.39 | MrPoopyPants | anyhow |
| 04:15.39 | toresbe | mwilson: There are actually three. |
| 04:15.54 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: No, they're just asking you why you're trying to add compile options to a META package. |
| 04:16.03 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: ie: a package that HAS NO COMPILED stuff |
| 04:16.05 | toresbe | fleaswtracenpac? Sounds welsh.... |
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| 04:16.21 | toresbe | Check that... |
| 04:16.22 | mwilson | toresbe: Three, huh? |
| 04:16.25 | dondelelcaro | JRogerII: why not use grep-dctrl? |
| 04:16.27 | darkaudit | toresbe: DOD-speak :) |
| 04:16.45 | mwilson | MrPoopyPants: Yeah, why DO you want to do that? :) |
| 04:16.52 | JRogerII | didn't know it existed |
| 04:17.09 | toresbe | mwilson: The third one lives just right of the local arcade. |
| 04:17.12 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: So rather then explaining howe to do soemthing pointless, the suggestion is you save some time and just don't bother doing it. |
| 04:17.16 | MrPoopyPants | sigh, im trying to download the sources and compile it myself, gnome has stuff in it for mmx, sse, and 3dnow extensions. |
| 04:17.19 | JRogerII | oh, that is sooo coo |
| 04:17.19 | mwilson | Hm, wonder how many ssh connections I can do from here to there... |
| 04:17.28 | toresbe | mwilson: Her name is Zelda... |
| 04:17.31 | cthomas | MrPoopyPants: anytime you ask "How do I do foo"? Expect, instead of help, to be asked "Why do you want to do foo"? Depending on your answer and their mood, time of day, astrological signs, etc, they may or may not actually help. |
| 04:17.35 | mwilson | toresbe: Yadda yadda yadda |
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| 04:17.42 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Nevertheless the 'gnome' package contains *nothing* except references to other packages. |
| 04:17.55 | dondelelcaro | JRogerII: probably something like grep-dctrl -sDescription,Package -P foopkg |
| 04:17.57 | MrPoopyPants | ok, I want to compile gnome so things run smoother and faster. |
| 04:18.00 | toresbe | mwilson: She's a calligraphy enthusiast, with a slight overbite, and hair the colour of strained peaches. |
| 04:18.12 | MrPoopyPants | sheesh |
| 04:18.19 | toresbe | mwilson: You've got weasels on your face :P |
| 04:18.24 | mwilson | Ok, that's enough, you can stop now... |
| 04:18.44 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Tip 1) Building an optimised kernel and libc6 will gain you more speed than recompiling gnome. |
| 04:18.51 | MrPoopyPants | done |
| 04:18.52 | rich_ | MrPoopyPants I think it is the best there is. But if you're unaccustomed to the way people treat each other on irc, there is always mailing lists. |
| 04:19.01 | mwilson | brb |
| 04:19.17 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Tip 2) The speed gain will NOT outweight the time spent compiling. |
| 04:19.18 | MrPoopyPants | I have optimized my kernel - not libc6 though |
| 04:19.27 | dondelelcaro | more like grep-available -s Package,Description -P dpkg; actually |
| 04:19.45 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Tip 3) Recompiling it so it runs faster is a waste of time. |
| 04:19.45 | MrPoopyPants | the time spent compiling cant be that bad, i'll start it then go to bed and wake up in the mroning and it will be done |
| 04:19.54 | jrr | irc isn't too hostile if you rtfm, don't ask to ask, and aren't an ass |
| 04:20.04 | MrPoopyPants | sheesh |
| 04:20.07 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: However, you CAN fetch the source packages and edit all 'rules' files so they run ./configure with additional options. |
| 04:20.08 | jonesy | can anyone recommend a lightweight GUI email client with IMAP support? |
| 04:20.23 | jrr | jonesy: lighter than thunderbird, for example? |
| 04:20.25 | rich_ | jrr most of irc is a lot worse then freenode |
| 04:20.39 | mo699898 | anyone know why when i do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/adsp it says no such device and i have all the modules loaded |
| 04:20.41 | jonesy | jonesy: good idea. cheers. |
| 04:20.44 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Do please keep in mind that you'll need to redo that each time a bug is fixed in Gnome. |
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| 04:20.57 | WiFiTux | I hate dish washing |
| 04:21.14 | cthulfuego | WiFiTux: Believe you me, it's more fun than compiling gnome ;-) |
| 04:21.32 | streuner | WiFiTux: there are dishwashers avaiable nowadays? |
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| 04:21.50 | mwilson | Ah |
| 04:21.56 | mwilson | Stupid hotel... |
| 04:22.06 | dondelelcaro | oddly, most dishwashers suck at actually washing dishes. |
| 04:22.06 | cthulfuego | MrPoopyPants: Just don't be here in 2 days time saying that Gnome still runs no faster and now crashes in weird places. You *have* been warned. |
| 04:22.09 | jonesy | sorry, i meant jrr |
| 04:22.13 | WiFiTux | streuner, well, yeah, but no space here... |
| 04:22.20 | WiFiTux | cthulfuego, not really. |
| 04:22.21 | mwilson | jonesy: Why does it need to be a GUI client? |
| 04:22.22 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Don't mock Daisy! |
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| 04:22.28 | mwilson | Fscking delete key! |
| 04:22.40 | cthulfuego | mwilson: time to play with 'stty erase' ? |
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| 04:22.55 | WiFiTux | Imagine a 6'2" tall guy over a 3' dishwasher... my back hurts |
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| 04:23.04 | streuner | WiFiTux: well, its sometimes important if you have some nasty work, you have a little difference to the easy parts in life :-) |
| 04:23.07 | SDO | anyone know of the package for debian that will play wmv files and the like? |
| 04:23.15 | cthulfuego | WiFiTux: Buy yourself a nice Miele dishwasher. They rock. |
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| 04:23.20 | jonesy | mwilson: I'd just prefer on for when people send me html emails, pics, etc |
| 04:23.48 | WiFiTux | |:| |
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| 04:24.30 | SDO | how can I make xine play wmv files? |
| 04:24.52 | SDO | also, how to do get Xchat to open up links in Mozilla instead of konqueror |
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| 04:25.27 | streuner | SDO: mplayer can play wmv files (/msg dpkg mplayer) |
| 04:25.28 | mwilson | cthulfuego: It's weird... I'm ssh'd into my home box, at a shell prompt, the delete key deletes left, like you'd expect it to. This works whether I'm in screen or not. |
| 04:26.00 | mwilson | cthulfuego: But now, once I'm in epic, it does nothing, and I have to use ctrl-h |
| 04:26.05 | WiFiTux | SDO, is about the default viewer. konqueror is your default. |
| 04:26.35 | mwilson | cthulfuego: If I detatch, and go back to the shell, it works again, I re-attach, it doesn't work again. |
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| 04:27.23 | mwilson | cthulfuego: I'm no screen guru... I do know it interacts with terminfo in odd ways, and the PB keyboard is already odd since it doesn't have a backspace key. |
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| 04:27.45 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:28.03 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: isn't Fn <delete> mapped to that typically? |
| 04:28.03 | MrPoopyPants | building optimized libc6 now |
| 04:28.16 | Qo-noS | SDO: you need the w32codecs from Marillat's repo. It is not an issue of the player but having the codecs for proprietary video/audio formats |
| 04:28.18 | samuel | ive got windows xp on my laptop but rarely ever use it, how can i resize the partition from linux? |
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| 04:29.02 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Sometimes. What I don't understand is why it works correctly at a shell prompt, but epic is confused. |
| 04:29.02 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:29.29 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: NFI... the keyboard mapping stuff confuses the hell out of me quite often. |
| 04:29.40 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Me, too. |
| 04:29.55 | hlp_me | mwilson trying playing with stty setting (stty sane) |
| 04:30.14 | SDO | Qo-noS, yep, that is it. Where can I find Marillat's repo? |
| 04:30.30 | stew | SDO: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:31.06 | SDO | ok, that is great, now how do I add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 04:31.10 | WiFiTux | samuel, which partition? fdisk |
| 04:31.16 | SDO | is there a file that keeps a dbase of all sites? |
| 04:31.21 | stew | SDO: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:31.27 | SDO | thank you stew |
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| 04:31.47 | streuner | SDO: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say, btw? |
| 04:32.07 | mwilson | hlp_me: If it were stty, it'd not work at a shell prompt either. |
| 04:32.14 | Qo-noS | SDO: remember to change reference to testing or unstable if you are on either and not stable. edit your sources.list as root |
| 04:32.15 | samuel | WiFiTux, I have 3 partitions on my disk - one is a winnt with xp and the other a linux ext3 (plus swap) |
| 04:32.25 | SDO | already edited, and apt-get update also afterwoards |
| 04:32.38 | WiFiTux | samuel, what do you want? |
| 04:32.42 | SDO | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat |
| 04:33.01 | stew | SDO: you don't want stable then, you want testing or unstable |
| 04:33.14 | SDO | hmmm, so change to 'unstable'? |
| 04:33.27 | stew | SDO: which are you running? |
| 04:33.30 | streuner | SDO: testing |
| 04:33.36 | SDO | I'm not running anything right now. |
| 04:33.43 | stew | SDO: what version of debian |
| 04:33.44 | hlp_me | mwilson supprisingly enough, it worked for me... i had problem in VI, and stty sane fixed it |
| 04:33.45 | SDO | I have 3.4 Knoppix and want to view wmv files. |
| 04:33.53 | samuel | WiFiTux, i want to make the winxp part smaller |
| 04:34.01 | stew | SDO: wrong channel, you want #knoppix |
| 04:34.01 | Qo-noS | SDO: join #knoppix |
| 04:34.15 | mwilson | It's like the key doesn't work in epic |
| 04:34.15 | WiFiTux | samuel, ntfs or fat32? |
| 04:34.16 | MrPoopyPants | turtle defecation. |
| 04:34.18 | SDO | installing codecs now. |
| 04:34.22 | mwilson | I can't seem to bind it, either. |
| 04:34.23 | SDO | I will, thank you Qo-noS |
| 04:34.36 | SDO | I would rather be running debian proper, for I want to install GNUstep and do some porting. |
| 04:34.58 | samuel | WiFiTux, windows xp, i suppose ntfs |
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| 04:35.53 | WiFiTux | samuel, well, you will need partitionmagic, or something... else just remove the xp and make it a backup thingie or mount it somewhere |
| 04:36.05 | jrr | rich_ was right - freenode is kinder than other networks. on any other network i would expect knoppix to be a kickword with a join #knoppix message |
| 04:38.54 | peterS | WiFiTux: recent releases of debian-installer include 'ntfsresize'. but I don't think it's yet integrated into parted, so you can't resize partitions within the installer's menu system, yet |
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| 04:40.35 | WiFiTux | peterS, ok, thanks for the info... |
| 04:40.50 | samuel | WiFiTux, is there a command line prog that prints out the partition table? |
| 04:41.02 | peterS | samuel: fdisk -l /dev/your_disk |
| 04:41.04 | stew | samuel: fdisk -ls |
| 04:41.11 | samuel | thanks |
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| 04:41.33 | mwilson | Ah, got it. |
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| 04:43.01 | stew | hmm my -s seems to be useless when you use -l, no idea why i've always done -ls |
| 04:43.37 | samuel | can i run parted while running linux or do i NEED to boot from a disk? |
| 04:44.28 | cthulfuego | samuel: you can run it whenever |
| 04:45.40 | Xenguy | cool - bruce perens just showed up in an IRC channel :-) |
| 04:45.47 | samuel | cthulfuego, what i wanna know is is it ok? since its all in the same HD, but not the same partition? |
| 04:46.15 | cthulfuego | samuel: Should be fine, but you MAY need to reboot to make it recognise the updated partition table. |
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| 04:48.18 | baroni | Alguem aqui usando um dockicon no windowmaker para um aterm? |
| 04:48.22 | baroni | ops.. sorry! |
| 04:48.24 | hlp_me | hey i have question regaring kernel compilation (2.6.8). I Pentium 3 mobile cpu. but in the config there is only either P3 or P-M |
| 04:48.29 | wastrel | i'm studying chinese and want to view chinese on my system, do i need to install chinese locales? or will setting the system locale to en_US.UTF-8 be enough? |
| 04:48.36 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: P3 |
| 04:48.43 | hlp_me | cthulfuego thnx |
| 04:49.03 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: unless the P-M help entry explicitlity lists the P3-M |
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| 04:49.58 | baroni | Hello all. Does anybody how to search for what package a binary file is from? |
| 04:50.04 | hlp_me | cthulfuego it just says notebook chips |
| 04:50.10 | rich_ | I have a p3 in my fujitsu lifebook, its a p-3. I never even heard of a "M" until years after the p3 came out |
| 04:50.11 | stew | baroni: dpkg -S |
| 04:50.21 | hlp_me | cth |
| 04:50.21 | hlp_me | Select this for Intel Pentium M (not Pentium-4 M) |
| 04:50.22 | hlp_me | notebook chips. |
| 04:51.00 | kevix | hlp_me, this may help: http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
| 04:51.08 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: That's what you want, then. |
| 04:51.16 | cthulfuego | P-M chips are P3 based, P4-M aren't. |
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| 04:51.41 | kevix | wastrel, sorry, wrong user! check here:http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
| 04:51.47 | hlp_me | kevix that is for wastrel :) |
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| 04:52.26 | hlp_me | cthulfuego but on p3 seletion it says Select this for Intel chips based on the Pentium-III and Celeron-Coppermine core. This option enables use of some extended prefetch instructions in addition to the Pentium II extensions |
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| 04:52.53 | hlp_me | so it i a little confusin :) |
| 04:53.02 | kevix | baroni, there is also 'apt-file'. |
| 04:53.12 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: yeah, intel names the chips a bit oddly. |
| 04:53.15 | Demosthenes | whats the quickest way to make a local debian mirror i can add to my sources.list? i've got several machines to update with a specific list of packages, and don't want to eat up alot of bandwidth on the mirrors |
| 04:53.34 | rich_ | Demosthenes apt-move |
| 04:53.34 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Go with the one that's labelled "Select this for Intel Pentium M (not Pentium-4 M) notebook chips" |
| 04:53.44 | kevix | Demosthenes, 'apt-proxy'? |
| 04:53.55 | jonesy | would someone point me in the right direction please, I want to add programs to the menu in blackbox. |
| 04:54.18 | streuner | Demosthenes: /msg dpkg own repo? |
| 04:54.33 | hlp_me | cthulfuego thnx, man, i need some help with compiling the kernel, and all i wanted is to use wireless card, but it requires me to recompile the kernel... and i can't get the configuration right |
| 04:54.41 | kevix | jonesy, I think 'update-menues' may help? check man page? |
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| 04:55.20 | The_Vulture | jonesy: man update-menus |
| 04:56.02 | Demosthenes | streuner: ROCK ON! thanks! |
| 04:56.02 | baroni | kevix, stew : I've tried used both of them ('dpkg -S <file>' and 'apt-file search <file>') for a look for what package the 'import' command belongs to. Both gives-me a long list.. with all matches (e.g.: import_fraps.so,...etc). The way that I've got if searching for it at the the http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents.. |
| 04:56.05 | jetscreamer | yeah don't spell it english style though |
| 04:56.17 | wastrel | kevix thanks... |
| 04:56.22 | jonesy | thanks guys. |
| 04:56.38 | kevix | hlp_me, 'module-assistant' may come in handy. |
| 04:56.44 | FrozenSpoon | If I install Debian on an i686 machine, will it still work on an i586 machine or does it install an i686 only kernel? |
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| 04:56.52 | jetscreamer | jonesy, probably more like you text edit a file |
| 04:56.57 | dondelelcaro | FrozenSpoon: depends on what kernel you install |
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| 04:57.19 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Just grab a precompiled deb kernel |
| 04:57.23 | jetscreamer | jonesy, maybe look around in ~/.blackbox or soemthing |
| 04:57.35 | FrozenSpoon | dondelelcaro: I don't think I've ever seen the option to select a kernel when installing |
| 04:57.39 | kevix | FrozenSpoon, i386 works on all, you get less options as you go up the chain. |
| 04:57.48 | hlp_me | cthulfuego well, all i wanted is to use wireless card, but it requires me to recompile the kernel... and i can't get the configuration right |
| 04:57.52 | baroni | kevix, stew : Does you know what the engine maching of the debian site uses ? |
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| 04:58.01 | baroni | s/maching/machine |
| 04:58.01 | dondelelcaro | FrozenSpoon: you get the installation kernel by default which is i386. |
| 04:58.06 | hlp_me | however i manged to have good working 2.4.22 kernel |
| 04:58.12 | Fosten | can i use kernel-source-2.6.8 to build modules to work with 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel image? |
| 04:58.29 | kerpal23_ | what can i use to spy on a process, this is a perl process and i *need* to see which files its tring to access.. |
| 04:58.31 | dondelelcaro | FrozenSpoon: but nothing stops you from installing an i686 or whatever kernel. |
| 04:58.31 | stew | hlp_me: what wireless card? |
| 04:58.39 | stew | kerpal23_: strace |
| 04:58.39 | dondelelcaro | kerpal23_: attach strace to the process |
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| 04:59.00 | kevix | kerpal23_, 'lsof' |
| 04:59.03 | hlp_me | stew zonet, but manufactorer is ralink (ralink2500) 0000:03:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 04:59.04 | kerpal23_ | tried strace.. its just showing me memmory allocations. |
| 04:59.14 | FrozenSpoon | dondelelcaro: okay that works, as long as I'm getting the i386 by default that's gravy |
| 04:59.22 | kerpal23_ | kevix: i will lokinto lso, but i thought the target was the file and not the pid. |
| 04:59.31 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Does that require ndiswrapper? |
| 04:59.33 | kerpal23_ | okay im dumb :) |
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| 04:59.47 | The_Vulture | kerpal23_: strace does more than that.. those "OPEN" calls are the process opening files.. |
| 05:00.18 | Crell42 | Evening. Dependency question. I just installed a fresh Sarge system to use as a server. I apt-got apache2, no problem. However, when I try to install php4 it wants to pull down apache (presumably apache 1.3). When I try to apt-get squirrelmail, it wants to pull down different PHP packages, and change out pieces of apache2, but not install apache 1.3. So what depends on who, really? |
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| 05:00.40 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, not sure, hwo do i check? in readme it doesn't say anything about it, however it says: For 2.6 series kernel: |
| 05:00.40 | hlp_me | a. $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules |
| 05:00.43 | hlp_me | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.04 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, and module refuses to be loaded, if i do not recompile the kernel |
| 05:01.05 | jetscreamer | apache2 and apache 1.3 probably both supply apache, or something, but i know nothing |
| 05:01.07 | BhaalWK | Hrm, apt not working properly today? |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | yeah it works, do it again |
| 05:01.25 | jetscreamer | i had to |
| 05:01.26 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Yeah, it probably requires ISA support in the kernel. |
| 05:01.33 | kevix | Crell42, I think that there is an apache2 package for php, use apt-cache and look for the apache2 versions |
| 05:01.34 | jetscreamer | said files not found? |
| 05:01.46 | hlp_me | cthulfuego so i need to compile kernel with ISA support? |
| 05:01.48 | jetscreamer | (not properly though, no) |
| 05:01.59 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Well, follow the redme that came with the driver. |
| 05:02.01 | jetscreamer | got isa? then yes. |
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| 05:02.09 | jetscreamer | no got isa? then no. |
| 05:02.32 | hlp_me | jetscreamer how do i check, i'm newbie in the linux, and dont' know muchabtou laptop hardware |
| 05:02.34 | jetscreamer | maybe load module if available |
| 05:02.38 | mudpile | hey, anyone here know a way to scan for wireless access points using the hermes model? when i do an iwlist eth1 scan it tells me the interface doesn't support scanning. anyway around that? |
| 05:02.42 | Crell42 | kevix: So php4 is compiled against apache1, but there's a separate php4 for apache2? |
| 05:02.44 | jetscreamer | laptop with isa? |
| 05:02.45 | mudpile | *model=module |
| 05:02.53 | BhaalWK | Argh, whats going on with apt? Doesnt it have the 'find' command anymore? |
| 05:02.56 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 05:02.58 | Crell42 | When PHP 5 becomes available, will it also have a split personality? |
| 05:03.06 | mindphasr | Anyone have a ATI TV Wonder Pro card working, with sound? |
| 05:03.15 | stew | Crell42: you want to apt-get lib-apache2-mod-php4 or something, apt-cache search apache2 php4 |
| 05:03.20 | hlp_me | jetscreamer the same here! so, i'm just tring to get the wifi card to work :/ |
| 05:03.33 | kevix | Crell42, libapache-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module) |
| 05:03.34 | kevix | libapache2-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module) |
| 05:03.57 | Crell42 | stew: I see. Which apache2 do I want (processes, threads, fast threads, pool threads...)? |
| 05:04.04 | kevix | BhaalWK, apt-cache ! |
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| 05:04.28 | stew | Crell42: i dunno. you wouldn't get me to use apache2 |
| 05:04.41 | Crell42 | lol. Why not? It's been the stable version for years now. |
| 05:04.43 | thu | hey.. anyone using multisync with evolution 2? I'm having trouble installing any plugins |
| 05:04.52 | mwilson | BhaalWK: I think you want the dpkg bot |
| 05:04.55 | stew | Crell42: its been the less stable version for years now |
| 05:05.00 | hlp_me | how can i find out whether my system supposrt PCI hotplug, is it a Compaq Hotplug driver i have to use, or ACPI hotplug? I'm on a laptop, compaq presario 2715us |
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| 05:05.13 | kevix | thu, there was just a new upload in sid, maybe that will help! |
| 05:05.21 | jetscreamer | hlp_me, are you using/trying rt2500 module ? |
| 05:05.27 | Crell42 | Have you had any trouble with it? RH, MDK, and SuSE all use it standard now, I figure it's at least reasonably safe. |
| 05:05.28 | recruta_zero | alguem fala portugues |
| 05:05.28 | hlp_me | jetscreamer yes |
| 05:05.31 | mwilson | hlp_me: It doesn't. |
| 05:05.33 | thu | kevix, interesting.. I'm looking into it |
| 05:05.35 | Speedy2 | hlp_me: The thing to do is see if "Cardbus" support needs PCI hotplug |
| 05:05.41 | recruta_zero | alguem fala portugues |
| 05:05.56 | kevix | hlp_me, PCI not = acpi |
| 05:06.05 | recruta_zero | alguem fala portugues |
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| 05:06.23 | mudpile | anyone here kno how to scan wireless access points with a prism based card? |
| 05:06.27 | hlp_me | kevix i mean ACPI PCI hotplug driver |
| 05:06.30 | stew | Crell42: i've never tried it. afaik there is no motivation to move from 1.3 to 2 |
| 05:06.32 | kingsley | Would anyone here object to my posting the URL of a "social network" graph showing who chats with who on #debian? |
| 05:06.38 | hlp_me | mwilson neither? |
| 05:06.41 | cthulfuego | !portuguese |
| 05:06.41 | dpkg | portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:06.42 | Crell42 | Isn't apache 2 faster? |
| 05:06.44 | hlp_me | Speedy2 0000:02:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 05:06.44 | mwilson | mudpile: Anyone know why you'd need to? |
| 05:06.51 | mwilson | Crell42: Where'd you get that idea? |
| 05:06.59 | jetscreamer | little late there cthulfuego |
| 05:07.10 | kerpal23_ | if your watching a proc with lsof will it show a non-exsitant file that the proc tried to access? |
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| 05:07.20 | Speedy2 | hlp_me: Right, the thing to do is see if Linux Cardbus support needs PCI hotplug or not |
| 05:07.23 | Crell42 | What did they rewrite it for if not for better speed, modularity, etc? And why have they stopped 1.3 development? |
| 05:07.23 | stew | Crell42: dunno. where did you see that? |
| 05:07.30 | mwilson | kerpal23_: Why would it? |
| 05:07.31 | kevix | Crell42, faster not = better (supported) |
| 05:07.34 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Last I checked, you needed to enable ISA support to get the Wireless cards options under Network devices |
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| 05:07.45 | Speedy2 | I'm trying to do a make xconfig and I'm told that I'm missing the QT development libs. Which package do I need to apt-get ? |
| 05:07.48 | kerpal23_ | mwilson: because i need it too :) |
| 05:07.57 | Speedy2 | "QT development package" is missing |
| 05:07.59 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: ... and although you don't need to select any of the in-kernel cards, you DO want the wireless extensions. |
| 05:08.02 | kevix | kerpal23_, no, you need strace for that. |
| 05:08.05 | mwilson | kerpal23_: I need a million dollars... dont' see that happening any time soon. |
| 05:08.10 | Speedy2 | WTF couldn't they have kept it Tcl/Tk based?! Argh! |
| 05:08.11 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search qt |grep devel maybe |
| 05:08.14 | cthulfuego | jetscreamer: Sorry, was eating someone's family. |
| 05:08.16 | kerpal23_ | mwilson: well lemme know if it does. |
| 05:08.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:08.24 | jetscreamer | too much sun eh |
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| 05:08.56 | mwilson | When did Apache stop 1.3 development? |
| 05:08.57 | jetscreamer | engry? :) |
| 05:08.59 | kingsley | A URL showing who chats with who on #debian is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/IRC_social_networks.pdf. |
| 05:09.03 | guestish | hello |
| 05:09.07 | guestish | thats angry |
| 05:09.26 | hlp_me | cthulfuego so i haveto compile isa card bus support? |
| 05:09.30 | guestish | mwilson: isnt 1.3 deprecated? |
| 05:09.41 | kerpal23_ | intresting. |
| 05:09.42 | kevix | Speedy2, checkout: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 05:09.44 | Crell42 | That's what I thought, guestish. |
| 05:09.48 | fusion | its legacy' |
| 05:09.55 | thu | kevix, the multisync page claims evo 2 support but libmultisync-plugin-evolution requires evo 1.5 :\ |
| 05:10.00 | hlp_me | Speedy2 how can i check it? |
| 05:10.09 | Speedy2 | hlp_me: Google? |
| 05:10.13 | guestish | Crell42: i mean its popular, but 2 has been out for a while |
| 05:10.22 | guestish | lotta people still use 1.3 |
| 05:10.25 | hlp_me | Speedy2 i have no clue how to construct a search phrase |
| 05:10.31 | mwilson | guestish: I don't think so, but I'm no authority, I'll admit. I avoid apache. I only have it installed so that man2html works. |
| 05:10.34 | hlp_me | Speedy2 cause i'm not sure what i'm looking for |
| 05:10.40 | jetscreamer | needs a bit of works, kingsley :) but cool idea |
| 05:10.41 | Crell42 | I know. My other system still does, but I figure this is a fresh box, apache2 should be stable enough by now to be used. |
| 05:10.56 | mwilson | Why "should" it be stable enough? |
| 05:11.00 | Speedy2 | kevix: Uhh, kernel 2.6 uses QT for "make xconfig" *NOT* Tcl/Tk |
| 05:11.00 | guestish | mwilson: ok, im just making an asumption since 2 has been out for a while, but i suppose it could be at least actively maintained |
| 05:11.08 | fusion | extensive testing.. |
| 05:11.15 | Crell42 | I don't do anything particularly screwy with it beyond php4, mysql, and plan to setup subversion. |
| 05:11.19 | fusion | same reason other things are considered stable |
| 05:11.33 | kingsley | jetscreamer: Thanks. If you view it with xpdf, you can search for your nick name. |
| 05:11.44 | Crell42 | mwilson: apache2 has been considered "Stable" by the developers for longer than kernel 2.6 has been. |
| 05:11.48 | kingsley | jetscreamer: ... by pressing ^f. |
| 05:11.54 | jetscreamer | i found me, i was ez |
| 05:12.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:12.11 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 05:12.13 | Crell42 | kingsley: My god that's a lot of incest. :-) What program did you use for that? |
| 05:12.29 | guestish | mwilson: just asked, its maintained, but not developed |
| 05:12.35 | kerpal23_ | looks like i didn't make it on the map |
| 05:12.46 | Crell42 | apache 1.3 has no development except security patches. |
| 05:13.04 | mwilson | Crell42: You realize that says absolutely nothing, considering how "stable" 2.6 is. |
| 05:13.18 | kingsley | Crell42: A bash script parsed the IRC log and edited it into "dot"'s graphing commands. |
| 05:13.26 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Just enable ISA support and wireless networking support |
| 05:13.38 | Speedy2 | gah |
| 05:13.38 | guestish | 2.6 has features, not stability |
| 05:13.44 | Crell42 | kingsley: Funness. Just checks to see who used what prefixes on their names? |
| 05:13.46 | peterS | Crell42: the core of apache 1.3 has been stable for a long time. nothing stops people from developing new / improved modules for it even if the core maintainers have stopped enhancing it |
| 05:13.47 | guestish | its new, not proven |
| 05:13.51 | Speedy2 | when I do apt-get install libqt3-dev |
| 05:14.02 | Crell42 | Do new things work on apache 1.3, eg, subversion? |
| 05:14.02 | cthulfuego | That's not true, 2.6.3 has run stable on the production servers here for nigh on 9 months |
| 05:14.11 | guestish | cthulfuego: there are exceptions |
| 05:14.26 | cthulfuego | guestish: Like 2.4.18? |
| 05:14.41 | Speedy2 | It fails with this error: "dpkg : error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_4.3.0.dfsg.1-8-i386.deb (-unpack trying to overwrite '/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0' which is also in package xlibs" |
| 05:14.45 | thu | kingsley, what did you use to draw that? |
| 05:15.03 | cthulfuego | Speedy2: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_4.3.0.dfsg.1-8-i386.deb |
| 05:15.21 | guestish | cthulfuego: what? |
| 05:15.25 | Speedy2 | cthulfuego: Thank you sir. |
| 05:15.34 | Crell42 | I don't see an apache 1.3 svn package here. |
| 05:15.39 | Crell42 | Hence, I use Apache 2. :-) |
| 05:15.42 | guestish | heh |
| 05:15.48 | kingsley | thu: "dot" and "gs". |
| 05:16.01 | Speedy2 | cthulfuego: Err, but I originally did apt-get install libqt3-dev; how does the command you gave me fit in? |
| 05:16.04 | kingsley | Crell42: I don't understand your question. |
| 05:16.18 | Crell42 | kingsley: Which quesiton? |
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| 05:16.46 | cthulfuego | Speedy2: It forces the package you overwrite the already existing file. |
| 05:16.52 | Crell42 | I mean how does said script work? It just checks for a line "<Crell42> kingsley:..." and then makes a line from me to you? |
| 05:17.04 | kevix | thu, checkout 'graphviz' |
| 05:17.07 | kingsley | Crell42: "Just checks to see who used what prefixes on their names?" |
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| 05:17.45 | cthulfuego | set up websites+host for a bunch of high school kids, so they cna play with php :-) |
| 05:17.47 | Crell42 | See above. |
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| 05:18.08 | Crell42 | cthulfuego: Please tell me you tighten it before letting them play. :-) |
| 05:18.13 | kingsley | Crell42: Yes, the script greps for lines containing two nicks: a sender and a receiver. |
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| 05:18.22 | zignig | cthulfuego: are you cafuego+tentacles+evil_aura ? |
| 05:18.34 | Crell42 | Neato. |
| 05:18.34 | cthulfuego | Crell42: I might even set 'em up on an UML system and not worry about it. |
| 05:18.38 | kerpal23_ | how does one tighten down php on a vhost box anyways? i hear chrooting apache is pointless. |
| 05:19.10 | Crell42 | cthulfuego: I mean tighten PHP, so they don't get in the habit of magic variables, undefined variables, et? |
| 05:19.18 | cthulfuego | kerpal23_: set safe mode on php, make sure it disallows "dangerous" functions |
| 05:19.32 | thu | kingsley, check out http://prefuse.sourceforge.net/ for nicer graphs :) |
| 05:19.32 | Speedy2 | hrm...I just did apt-get upgrade xlibs , maybe that wasn't such a hot idea. We'l see |
| 05:19.47 | cthulfuego | Crell42: Oh, yeah... it does that by default anyway. |
| 05:19.55 | Crell42 | It does? Not in my experience. |
| 05:20.00 | cthulfuego | Crell42: I enable 'em on a vhost by vhost basis, if required. |
| 05:20.04 | Agrajag- | is there a way to tell the mac address of a network card before actually booting? im going to use it on a diskless machine, so need dhcp set up to give it a static ip |
| 05:20.09 | cthulfuego | Crell42: Depends on your php.ini |
| 05:20.16 | guestish | Agrajag-: probably written on the card |
| 05:20.18 | Crell42 | Hm. apache2 brings down apache2-mpm-worker. Installing PHP4 for apache2 wants to remove that and install the prefork version instead. |
| 05:20.28 | Speedy2 | Agrajag-: There are some utilities that let you store a specified MAC address to a card's EEPROM |
| 05:20.36 | cthulfuego | Crell42: Yes. if you don't know why, you shouldn't be using apache2 <heh> |
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| 05:20.43 | Speedy2 | Agrajag-: Which Ethernet card? You could try booting with Knoppix and use that option |
| 05:20.44 | K4j1 | hi |
| 05:20.47 | Agrajag- | guestish: cool, i'll hvae a look o nthe card |
| 05:20.54 | Crell42 | Please enlighten me, then. |
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| 05:21.13 | Agrajag- | Speedy2: im not sure yet, some $8 realtek 10/100 card which i haven't actually seen yet |
| 05:21.18 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 05:21.18 | cthulfuego | Crell42: php4 is NOT thread safe, so doesn't work with a multithreaded apache2 worker. |
| 05:21.28 | Speedy2 | Ok. what did "apt-get upgrade xlibs" actually tell apt-get to do? |
| 05:21.29 | Agrajag- | if it's written on the card that'll make life a bit easier |
| 05:21.47 | Speedy2 | Agrajag-: Do you want to *change* the MAC or just find out what it is? |
| 05:21.49 | cthulfuego | Agrajag-: It would surprise me if it wasn't written )or stickered) onto the card, |
| 05:22.04 | Crell42 | Ahhh.... |
| 05:22.15 | Crell42 | Is PHP5 thread safe? |
| 05:22.18 | cthulfuego | Speedy2: Probably went and upgraded xlibs and all dependent packages |
| 05:22.25 | cthulfuego | Crell42: Yes. And also not in debian. |
| 05:22.25 | Agrajag- | Speedy2: just find out what it is, before bootin the diskless machine |
| 05:22.38 | Speedy2 | Agrajag-: OH! There will be a sticker on the card with that info, definitely. |
| 05:22.42 | Agrajag- | cool |
| 05:22.54 | Crell42 | cthulfuego: I know, but when it is I will be upgrading and want to plan ahead. |
| 05:23.06 | kingsley | thu: Have you used prefuse? |
| 05:23.13 | cthulfuego | Crell42: It's not going to ever be in sarge. |
| 05:23.35 | thu | kingsley, not yet, but it looks fun |
| 05:23.40 | cthulfuego | Crell42: And if you use sid on a hosting box you're mental. |
| 05:23.43 | kevix | Crell42, have you tried 'aptitude'? |
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| 05:24.13 | kevix | cthulfuego, hence the name -- sid! |
| 05:24.21 | Crell42 | cthulfuego: I'm figuring I'll move this box to testing eventually. The only thing this box is hosing is me, not a company site. My desktop runs sid. |
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| 05:24.54 | Crell42 | kevix: Yes, but I usually just use apt-get, as I find aptitude still a lame interface. (Though light years better than dselect, to be sure..) |
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| 05:24.57 | kevix | Crell42, dont you mean ... moving to 'sarge'? |
| 05:25.00 | cthulfuego | Crell42: You're running an apache2 backport on woody? |
| 05:25.04 | stew | Crell42: testings is generally a bad idea for hosting becuase of security problems with testing |
| 05:25.06 | Crell42 | No no no. |
| 05:25.13 | stew | Crell42: actually you said hosing, not hosting :) |
| 05:25.24 | Crell42 | I just installed Sarge NetInstall RC2. |
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| 05:25.38 | kevix | Crell42, I mention it for its ability to 'fix things' like dselect -- only better from my experience. |
| 05:25.41 | cthulfuego | but sarge *is* testing |
| 05:25.50 | Crell42 | I will probably in time change it from sarge to "testing", or whatever the next testing is after sarge. |
| 05:26.38 | killGetpid9 | Hi. can anyone help me with a problem related to c programs execution? |
| 05:26.44 | kevix | cthulfuego, but sarge (in the near,near future) will be the stable. testing is testing. |
| 05:26.58 | cthulfuego | kevix: near? it was near in february |
| 05:27.06 | fusion | is it easy to upgrade from testing > stable? |
| 05:27.12 | Crell42 | Sarge will be Stable Real Soon Now. :-) |
| 05:27.28 | kevix | cthulfuego, one can only dream! |
| 05:27.36 | rich_ | We are all very fortunate that sarge will probably be released in our lifetime |
| 05:27.37 | Crell42 | fusion: No, and it gets harder every day after Stable is out. :-) |
| 05:27.48 | fusion | ..? |
| 05:27.52 | kevix | fusion, you are not suppose to! |
| 05:27.58 | Speedy2 | hrm...after some interesting apt-get weirding, it seems the neccessary package is installed... |
| 05:27.58 | zignig | rich_: there is a pool running isn't there ? |
| 05:27.58 | cthulfuego | fusion: testing -> stable isn't an upgrade |
| 05:28.10 | fusion | er then what is it?? |
| 05:28.17 | cthulfuego | fusion: Technically a downgrade |
| 05:28.31 | Speedy2 | Wow...and the damn thing worked! |
| 05:28.32 | fusion | err..but doesnt stable come afterwards? |
| 05:28.43 | stew | fusion: testing packages are newer packages than stable |
| 05:28.49 | killGetpid9 | stable > testing > unstable |
| 05:28.51 | cthulfuego | fusion: no, testing is pretty much always newer then stable. |
| 05:28.51 | Crell42 | fusion: No, Stable is the frozen for three years at a time version. |
| 05:29.01 | kevix | fusion, you are suppose to 'upgrade' by changing 'testing' to 'sarge' |
| 05:29.02 | stew | fusion: so going from testing to stable is getting older packages which would be "downgrade" |
| 05:29.03 | rich_ | zignig I think there was a few but theres very few guesses left that havent passed |
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| 05:29.08 | fusion | ah screw it |
| 05:29.11 | fusion | i'll stick to testing |
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| 05:29.20 | Crell42 | New stuff goes to Unstable. Once it's mostly stable, it gets moved down to Testing. Periodically, Testing is frozen, banged on, and declared Stable. |
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| 05:30.05 | fusion | so testing is *probably* the best version? its been tested enough to make it not unstable? |
| 05:30.07 | cthulfuego | fusion: After sarge is released, testing is more likely to break badly. |
| 05:30.08 | nite613 | fusion: The current testing release is slated to go stable "sometime". use "sarge" instead of "testing" in sources.list and your machine will turn stable as well :) |
| 05:30.09 | Senda | I installed realplayer for linux 8 and cannot find the executable :S |
| 05:30.11 | kevix | Crell42, checkout: http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/debian.png |
| 05:30.41 | stew | fusion: testing is generally the least secure however |
| 05:30.58 | streuner | Senda: locate |
| 05:31.00 | Crell42 | nite613: Actually, I heard that there are some problems with sarge that will get removed when it goes Stable. So Sarge Testing to Sarge Stable will not be a completely clean move. |
| 05:31.16 | kevix | stew, testing only get security updates when its near release time (like now) otherwise no. |
| 05:31.22 | nite613 | Crell42: What sort of stuff? |
| 05:31.35 | Crell42 | apt-mirror is the one I recall. |
| 05:31.42 | nvz | Crell42: dont worry too much about things you dont understand ;) especially out load |
| 05:31.45 | nite613 | yeah, security in sarge is doing pretty well ATM, it's fairly unusual though ;) |
| 05:31.46 | manu | which is best option for automounting automount,supermount or ivmount |
| 05:31.47 | Crell42 | I remember seeing it in a bug report somewhere. |
| 05:31.59 | nite613 | nvz: What's the issue? |
| 05:32.14 | kevix | Senda, its in /usr/bin on my system |
| 05:32.14 | nvz | nite613: ? |
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| 05:32.29 | rich_ | I guess I'll stay with sarge but probably stick with the testing marillat binaries and unstable nerim sources |
| 05:32.31 | killGetpid9 | is there any reason for a user being unable to execute a simple program in C? |
| 05:32.54 | stew | kevix: sarge is not getting security updates now |
| 05:32.58 | streuner | kevix: that's not a good idea for systems which are debian-based |
| 05:33.00 | nite613 | nvz: You seem to be commenting on Crell42's mention of problems bringing sarge to stable |
| 05:33.09 | kevix | rich_, the marillat site is not non-dfsg stuff. |
| 05:33.16 | rich_ | killGetpid9 the binary needs to be executable. man chmod |
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| 05:33.17 | guestish | cthulfuego: well why not? java went from 1.4 to 5.0 |
| 05:33.36 | Crell42 | No, Java went from 1.1 to "Java 2" aka Java 1.2. |
| 05:33.36 | rich_ | kevix what is dfsg? |
| 05:33.44 | streuner | !dfsg |
| 05:33.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 05:33.46 | guestish | Crell42: its now java 5 |
| 05:33.55 | nvz | nite613: yeap. problems he doesnt quite understand and need not excite other people who do not understand. |
| 05:33.56 | guestish | Crell42: you are a bit behind the times |
| 05:33.59 | Crell42 | Which went to Java 3 aka Java 1.3, which went to Java 4 aka Java 1.4, which went to Java 1.5 aka Java 5 |
| 05:33.59 | kevix | streuner, to what are you referring? |
| 05:34.09 | rich_ | streuner thanks |
| 05:34.20 | Crell42 | guestish: My point is that it's Java 1.5, Java 5 is the marketing name, just like they've been doing since "Java 2". |
| 05:34.21 | killGetpid9 | rich. already made executable. even root cannot execute the program |
| 05:34.25 | rich_ | kevix Thats ok. I use them anyway. |
| 05:34.26 | hlp_me | hrm... have you ugsy heard of MS trying to sue people using linux? |
| 05:34.28 | Senda | thank you kevix. |
| 05:34.32 | guestish | Crell42: good stuff |
| 05:34.34 | nite613 | stew: What do you get from "eb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" then? |
| 05:34.35 | streuner | kevix: kevix> Senda, its in /usr/bin on my system |
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| 05:34.44 | stew | nite613: nothing yet |
| 05:34.47 | guestish | Crell42: though i remember java 1.4 being 1.4 |
| 05:34.50 | stew | nite613: hopefully something soon |
| 05:34.51 | guestish | and being called 1.4 |
| 05:34.59 | Crell42 | guestish: They don't always stick to their own marketing. :_) |
| 05:35.02 | Senda | thank you streuner. |
| 05:35.04 | stew | Crell42: java 1.4 was java2 not java4 |
| 05:35.04 | kevix | streuner, that's where it installed using the real bins. |
| 05:35.05 | guestish | Crell42: heh |
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| 05:35.19 | rich_ | killGetpid9 have you tried useing the file command on it, to make shure it really is a binary executable image? |
| 05:35.24 | kevix | streuner, ok. it should be in /usr/local ? |
| 05:35.34 | nite613 | stew: I do see new packages come out that looks like responses to vuln reports though. Not from that source I guess |
| 05:35.38 | streuner | kevix: yes - anything which isn't in debian |
| 05:35.51 | kevix | streuner, LSB ... and all that. |
| 05:36.06 | mwilson | ah, that DOES have it's uses... |
| 05:36.06 | whatever | ok, simple question, aparently not simple enough that the how-to's cover through. I'm trying to figure out how to route traffic for a given network over a particular gateway. Example: route all traffic destined on 10.3.0.0 through gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:36.41 | stew | nite613: you see new packages that "graduate" from sid, security team is not relaseing packages for sarge yet. if you notice, woody packages that come from security have version numbers which distinguish them |
| 05:36.45 | nite613 | whatever: iproute2 |
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| 05:36.54 | Crell42 | Use /usr/local for stuff you install independent of the package manager on your system. |
| 05:37.04 | guestish | whatever: http://lartc.org/howto/ |
| 05:37.26 | whatever | didn't I just say the howto's don't cover it |
| 05:37.37 | guestish | whatever: yes, it does |
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| 05:37.53 | guestish | whatever: you just havent bothered reading it |
| 05:37.55 | kevix | whatever, you did not say 'which' howto you looked at... |
| 05:37.56 | whatever | and I'm looking for the command that goes in interfaces, sorry shoulda been more specific |
| 05:38.00 | hlp_me | What is bootup logo? in the kernel configuraion there is no help for it |
| 05:38.02 | guestish | whatever: read the howto |
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| 05:38.11 | guestish | whatever: or man interfaces |
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| 05:38.17 | whatever | I did that too |
| 05:38.17 | debdeb | hi |
| 05:38.17 | MajorPoopyPants | alright |
| 05:38.26 | debdeb | how can i change screensize ? |
| 05:38.29 | guestish | whatever: good, now process that information |
| 05:38.35 | kevix | hlp_me, have you ever seen a 'penguin' on bootup... that is it. |
| 05:38.49 | MajorPoopyPants | kevix I have put that into my kernel but never seenit when I boot |
| 05:38.55 | whatever | guestish: it covers simple gateway routing....not how to route certain traffic over certain networks. |
| 05:38.57 | killGetpid9 | rich_ i've tried chmod as user and as root and it says bash : permission denied |
| 05:39.03 | guestish | whatever: its called ADVANCED ROUTING HOWTO for a reason |
| 05:39.04 | kevix | debdeb, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:39.06 | MajorPoopyPants | I think maybe I have to d/l a pic and put it somewhere |
| 05:39.08 | hlp_me | kevix yeah, i was wondering abotu that, which one is better 16 color or 224? |
| 05:39.21 | guestish | whatever: and you have not read that howto |
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| 05:39.41 | rich_ | killGetpid9 It says permission denied when you use chmod? then maybe you need chown |
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| 05:39.50 | guestish | whatever: heres another http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ |
| 05:39.51 | nite613 | whatever: install iproute2 and man ip. See if that will do waht you need |
| 05:39.59 | guestish | !tell whatever about fgi |
| 05:40.09 | whatever | fuck you guestish |
| 05:40.12 | whatever | thanks nite613 |
| 05:40.20 | guestish | whatever: try growing a breain |
| 05:40.21 | guestish | brain |
| 05:40.21 | guestish | lol |
| 05:40.23 | whatever | nite613: I'll look into that |
| 05:40.33 | debdeb | i want to change resolution only |
| 05:40.38 | killGetpid9 | rich_ : no.. it says that when i execute the file after chmod 777 (+x) |
| 05:40.42 | debdeb | how can i do ? |
| 05:40.51 | stew | rich_: what is a situation that chmod wouldn't work but chown would? |
| 05:41.00 | kevix | debdeb, did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure'? |
| 05:41.07 | debdeb | yes |
| 05:41.20 | debdeb | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 05:41.46 | rich_ | stew <killGetpid9> rich_ i've tried chmod as user and as root and it says bash : permission denied man chown |
| 05:42.00 | kevix | debdeb, you could modify the /etc/X11/XF86config-4 directly but then you can use dpkg-recongiure. |
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| 05:42.37 | mwilson | Ok, that PDF from earlier is just WEIRD. |
| 05:42.46 | mwilson | How'd you create that? |
| 05:42.51 | guestish | ? |
| 05:42.51 | puff | What was it? |
| 05:43.09 | mwilson | That thing kingsey did. |
| 05:43.17 | mwilson | He's gone now, ah well. |
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| 05:43.22 | puff | I would guess they analyze data collected by a bot, like dpkg. |
| 05:43.23 | mwilson | http://www.nas.com/~change/private/IRC_social_networks.pdf |
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| 05:43.33 | puff | I'm on a console, can't view pdfs. |
| 05:43.37 | kevix | mwilson, checkout 'graphviz' |
| 05:43.47 | ElNoobostupido | what are the benefits of 2.6.9 over 2.6.8? |
| 05:43.57 | puff | Analyzing who-talks-to-whom is sort of a cliche in the social network research field. |
| 05:44.11 | WiFiTux | ElNoobostupido, kernel.org and read the changelog |
| 05:44.11 | debdeb | windows' left side menu has any short key ? |
| 05:44.15 | killGetpid9 | rich_ chown worked.. execition didn't |
| 05:44.19 | Agrajag- | today my apt-get upgrade upgraded phpmyadmin, and i selected to keep my old /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess file. but a couple of things are broken, how can i get the .htaccess that would've replaced it back to test if that's the problem? |
| 05:44.20 | ElNoobostupido | wifi nice |
| 05:44.22 | rich_ | killGetpid9 so when you use ls -l on the file, it's owed by the user whio is trying to execute it, or some other user? Is there x 's in the permission line? |
| 05:44.36 | rich_ | killGetpid9 I dont mean 7's I mean x's |
| 05:44.38 | guestish | mwilson: what is it? |
| 05:45.02 | killGetpid9 | rich_ yes there are and the owner is the user executing |
| 05:45.07 | WiFiTux | ElNoobostupido, pero como hablas espanol, entonces, CD Burn, samba problem, and is a way better kernel. really. |
| 05:45.34 | puff | Is there a wrapper for apt that will do something like, log when packages are installed, by whom? |
| 05:45.35 | guestish | im not there, that makes me sad =( |
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| 05:45.46 | puff | Maybe prompt for a reason for the install, as well. |
| 05:46.17 | kevix | puff, aptitude I recall has a logging option. |
| 05:46.18 | killGetpid9 | rich_ and still cannot run even a "hello world" program |
| 05:46.45 | rich_ | killGetpid9 how about a shell script? |
| 05:47.04 | kevix | killGetpid9, you have compiled a .c program? and cant run it? |
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| 05:47.23 | killGetpid9 | i did... i cannot run a c program |
| 05:47.26 | guestish | i guess im not part of the big picture |
| 05:47.29 | whatever | nite613: so...do you know if iproute2 overrides any settings that might've been configured in interfaces? |
| 05:47.35 | ElNoobostupido | holy feces look at that changelog!! |
| 05:47.40 | stoned | do thier exist virii for linux? |
| 05:47.45 | stoned | there* |
| 05:47.46 | kevix | you typed '$./mycprogram' and it didnt work? |
| 05:47.48 | ElNoobostupido | is it usually that huge? |
| 05:48.04 | WiFiTux | ElNoobostupido, and there's more between subversions |
| 05:48.14 | rich_ | stoned Yes, irc |
| 05:48.15 | dark_light | why the debian do not have i686 packages, only i386? will debian some day include the i686 architeture in all packages? |
| 05:48.23 | rich_ | One of the worst |
| 05:48.26 | nite613 | whatever: It can, yes. The interfaces file is just used to generate ifconfig and route commands at network start. the 'ip' tool from iproute2 generally replaces the route command |
| 05:48.36 | Agrajag- | i can't figure out how to get the original .htaccess from the most recent phpmyadmin (i selected to keep my old file when it upgraded) - is this possible without uninstalling/installing again? |
| 05:48.44 | kevix | stoned, there will be if you create it! its a GNU generation! |
| 05:48.47 | guestish | im a social outcast |
| 05:48.56 | whatever | nite613: ...and that loads automatically as well? -=checks init.d=- |
| 05:48.57 | killGetpid9 | kevix yes .. it says "bash: ./hello: Permission denied" |
| 05:48.59 | stoned | aegis-virus-scanner package, i saw it, so I was just wondering, if virii exist for linux and if so, how big of threat would they be to a regular home user like me |
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| 05:49.09 | debdeb | kevix, i couldn't solve alredy |
| 05:49.10 | kevix | ElNoobostupido, its the kernel! it millions of lines long! |
| 05:49.10 | dark_light | o.o |
| 05:49.11 | nite613 | Agrajag-: Grab the .deb from your cache and dpkg -x to extract it |
| 05:49.23 | Agrajag- | ok |
| 05:49.26 | ElNoobostupido | kevix you aint kiddin, its pretty friggin enormous |
| 05:49.39 | nite613 | Agrajag-: /var/cache/apt/archives/p.... |
| 05:49.43 | kevix | killGetpid9, did you type 'chmod +x mycprogram'? |
| 05:49.52 | debdeb | http://www.pastebin.com/124378 |
| 05:49.56 | manu | which is best option for automounting automount,supermount or ivmount |
| 05:49.58 | debdeb | can you look here ? |
| 05:49.59 | killGetpid9 | kevix i did |
| 05:50.01 | dark_light | anyone knows? |
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| 05:50.25 | kevix | stoned, most are for removing virii from email before they go to windoze folks mail boxes! |
| 05:50.53 | WiFiTux | dark_light, is the same thing, stop whining... get a i686 kernel then |
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| 05:50.57 | sussudio | !irritate dark_light |
| 05:50.58 | dpkg | dark_light: hi every1 who uses gnome lol |
| 05:51.33 | kevix | killGetpid9, could you post exactly the line you used to run it. |
| 05:51.48 | whatever | hm, dunno if anyone here runs the amd64 release, but I just switched over to the gcc-3.4 release binaries...BIG performance difference. well worth it. |
| 05:52.14 | Agrajag- | nite613: yep done that. ok the new phpmyadmin seems to be quite broken when the webserver is running on a non standard port. it strips all ":"'s out of the url, so all links/forms are broken. what should i do about this? report it to debian or phpmyadmin? |
| 05:52.21 | killGetpid9 | kevix sure it's "./hello" |
| 05:52.24 | dark_light | WiFiTux the same thing? really? o.o (and what is whining? =p) |
| 05:52.31 | guestish | whatever: #debian-amd64 |
| 05:52.36 | nite613 | Agrajag-: dunno |
| 05:52.45 | WiFiTux | dark_light, whine |
| 05:53.10 | dark_light | well, what is whine? i am not a native speaker of english |
| 05:53.14 | nite613 | Agrajag-: check the relevant configs to see if you can figure out where the problem is occuring |
| 05:53.28 | Fosten | where do i find kernel-image configs? |
| 05:53.39 | nite613 | Agrajag-: If it's something the debian package tried to be smart about its a debian problem |
| 05:53.51 | Agrajag- | ok, i'll try to figure it out, ta |
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| 05:53.53 | yhg | damn... do we not have a !tell x about 'whine'? |
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| 05:54.02 | WiFiTux | Fosten, once loaded, into /boot/config"uname -r" |
| 05:54.11 | kevix | killGetpid9, what does 'file hello' say |
| 05:54.40 | guestish | !whine |
| 05:54.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 05:54.49 | guestish | yhg: you mean that? |
| 05:54.55 | yhg | That works |
| 05:54.58 | WiFiTux | dark_light, me either. Is like crying and bla bla |
| 05:55.02 | guestish | i think that describes whatever in a nutshell |
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| 05:55.10 | killGetpid9 | kevix just the line printf("hello world"); in main() |
| 05:55.18 | whatever | guestish: go blow your mom or something, stop wasting my time |
| 05:55.19 | dark_light | WiFiTux i see |
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| 05:55.31 | guestish | hes like a bot with insult factoids... |
| 05:56.19 | MajorPoopyPants | sheesh you people are so harsh - havent you ever heard of smokign weed? |
| 05:56.27 | Fosten | WiFiTux: what i am referencing is this article http://lists.q-linux.com/pipermail/plug/2002-October/022006.html "#copy kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 configs to the linux source" for using source to compile modules for image |
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| 05:56.31 | whatever | lol |
| 05:56.33 | killGetpid9 | kevix [blito@penpen:~]: ./hello the answer is bash: ./hello: Permission denied |
| 05:56.38 | WiFiTux | MajorPoopyPants, that's done here a lot... |
| 05:56.43 | cthulfuego | whatever: Who the hell are you any why do you think you can insult regulars? |
| 05:56.45 | killGetpid9 | kevix same thing with root |
| 05:56.49 | MajorPoopyPants | MORE then!!! MORE~~~ |
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| 05:57.11 | kevix | killGetpid9, ? can you post the c file to pastebin.com |
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| 05:57.28 | Fosten | i am using 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel image, trying to build lirc-modules-source... it was recommended that i only needed to compile against kernel headers, but receive "No rule to make target `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7/Rules.make'. Stop." so i figured it may be better to compile against kernel-source instead |
| 05:57.29 | Fosten | kinda lost |
| 05:57.30 | killGetpid9 | kevix sure |
| 05:57.31 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: mv hello hello.c; make hello; ./hello |
| 05:57.40 | whatever | cthulf: um, I'm no one, I'm asking questions and getting insulted. I drop it and they go on. |
| 05:57.40 | WiFiTux | Fosten, you need the load the kernel-image, then copy the /boot/config"uname -r" to your source as named .config and then donde |
| 05:57.44 | WiFiTux | done |
| 05:58.00 | guestish | Fosten: install modules-assistant |
| 05:58.02 | cthulfuego | whatever: guestish tends to only do that if the questions are off topic or just irrelevant. |
| 05:58.17 | guestish | Fosten: then do modules-assistant lirc-modules as root or something like that |
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| 05:58.21 | guestish | Fosten: there's a manpage |
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| 05:58.31 | whatever | cthulf: dunno what to tell you. -=shrug=- |
| 05:58.47 | guestish | cthulfuego: hmm? |
| 05:59.00 | guestish | why am i thwapped? |
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| 05:59.22 | guestish | o_O |
| 05:59.29 | cthulfuego | Hmm. I have one client who has STILL not updated their dns records... after 2 months worth of requests. Should I just switch off the DNS and frr back 2 IPs? |
| 06:00.11 | cthulfuego | s/frr/free/ |
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| 06:00.36 | kevix | cthulfuego, is the client one you want to keep? |
| 06:00.37 | killGetpid9 | kevix bash: ./hello: Permission denied |
| 06:00.40 | peterS | cthulfuego: I'd send them a notice that you will do so in 48 hours. then do it. |
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| 06:00.44 | cthulfuego | kevix: Not particularly |
| 06:00.56 | cthulfuego | peterS: yeah, did that a month ago <heh> |
| 06:01.00 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 ls -alFi hello |
| 06:01.10 | cthulfuego | it's not that I need the IPs, it's just cruft. |
| 06:01.12 | rich_ | debian works, if you know how to tell it what you want it to do. So all it takes is translation between two languages, one that people understand and the other, that computers understand. The language that peiople understand is imperfect, it is ideologically loaded and causes convorsations that have no end. Its not a valid iterogative unless it has an answer. |
| 06:01.39 | rich_ | Why ask, if you don't want to know? |
| 06:01.41 | guestish | rich_: sounds like debian's social contract |
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| 06:02.11 | killGetpid9 | kevix 37339 -rwxr--r-- 1 blito blito 58 Nov 29 01:18 hello.c* |
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| 06:02.17 | cthulfuego | rich_: Just keep asking until you get the answer you wanted to hear all along. |
| 06:02.17 | killGetpid9 | kevix posted |
| 06:02.48 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 file hello.c |
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| 06:03.05 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 06:03.09 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 ./hello |
| 06:03.20 | guestish | hlp_me: you forgot to make it executable |
| 06:03.25 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: just 'make hello' works fine on Linux |
| 06:03.33 | killGetpid9 | hlp_me hello.c: ASCII C program text (already executable) |
| 06:03.42 | hlp_me | cthulfuego if he has makefile |
| 06:03.49 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Now run 'make hello' |
| 06:04.01 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: No, only if he doesn't |
| 06:04.02 | kevix | killGetpid9, have you every used gcc before? |
| 06:04.08 | guestish | killGetpid9: um....a .c file isnt executable |
| 06:04.09 | killGetpid9 | yes |
| 06:04.19 | hlp_me | guestish depends on permissions :) |
| 06:04.22 | Speedy2 | Usually it will name the file "a.out" |
| 06:04.25 | guestish | hlp_me: uh no, its never executable |
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| 06:04.32 | guestish | hlp_me: perl is, bash is, C isnt |
| 06:04.32 | Speedy2 | i.e. gcc <input_file.c> |
| 06:04.40 | hlp_me | guestish, and if i chmod it to 755 |
| 06:04.41 | kevix | Speedy2, that is correct if the -o option is not used |
| 06:04.48 | Speedy2 | kevix: Ah, yes |
| 06:04.54 | hlp_me | guestish from OS point of vie it is executable |
| 06:04.55 | guestish | hlp_me: it'll try to run as an exectuable and exit with an error |
| 06:05.01 | killGetpid9 | kevix i have |
| 06:05.04 | whatever | thanks for all your help guys. ^_^ have a good night |
| 06:05.10 | guestish | hlp_me: no, it just has the exectuable bit set, thats it |
| 06:05.10 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Now run 'make hello' |
| 06:05.21 | omoore | what's a good software package to act as a vcr under linux? |
| 06:05.22 | hlp_me | guestish, yes |
| 06:05.33 | killGetpid9 | chtulfuego done.. make: `hello' is up to date. |
| 06:05.35 | hlp_me | guestish, that is what i mean from OS point of view |
| 06:05.41 | kevix | omoore, 'mythtv' |
| 06:05.45 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Now run ./hello |
| 06:05.47 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 ls -laFi hello |
| 06:05.49 | guestish | hlp_me: you need to read up on filesystems, the filesystem determines that much, not the OS |
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| 06:05.51 | kevix | omoore, 'freevo' |
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| 06:05.56 | Speedy2 | do "file hellow" and verify it's an executable |
| 06:06.00 | guestish | hlp_me: the OS will just run it if it actually is executable |
| 06:06.03 | Speedy2 | err "file hello" |
| 06:06.25 | hlp_me | guestish, exactly. what if i have in my C program #!/bin/sh ;) |
| 06:06.27 | guestish | either a.out or ELF |
| 06:06.29 | killGetpid9 | cthulfuego ./hello bash: ./hello: Permission denied |
| 06:06.39 | guestish | hlp_me: then it will try to run as a sh script, even though it isnt one |
| 06:06.41 | hlp_me | killGetpid9 gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 06:06.50 | guestish | killGetpid9: type 'sh hello' |
| 06:06.58 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: 'chmod 755 hello' - then run ./hello |
| 06:07.06 | killGetpid9 | hello: hello: cannot execute binary file |
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| 06:07.29 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: And please, ignore hlp_me. he's being an idiot |
| 06:07.38 | killGetpid9 | cthulfuego permission denied |
| 06:07.48 | killGetpid9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.54 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: ls -al 'hello' |
| 06:08.02 | guestish | ignorant is more like it |
| 06:08.21 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, sure :) what if doens't have make installed ;) |
| 06:08.23 | guestish | and its quite annoying |
| 06:08.25 | killGetpid9 | cthulfuego -rwxr--r-- 1 blito blito 12054 Nov 29 03:01 hello |
| 06:08.37 | hlp_me | guestish, well excuse me then :) |
| 06:08.39 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Then we don't get 'make: `hello' is up to date.' as output, now do we? |
| 06:08.51 | guestish | killGetpid9: chmod 777 hello; ./hello |
| 06:08.52 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Weird. |
| 06:09.00 | guestish | killGetpid9: is it text or binary? |
| 06:09.08 | guestish | killGetpid9: and WTF is this file for? |
| 06:09.13 | cthulfuego | guestish: it's binary, 'make' said it was up to date |
| 06:09.13 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, aw cmon, i'm jsut used to use gcc that is all |
| 06:09.31 | guestish | hlp_me: you might be able to use it, but you dont know what you are talking about |
| 06:09.46 | kevix | killGetpid9, try this: #include <stdio.h> |
| 06:09.46 | kevix | int main() { printf("hello world!\n"); return 0; } |
| 06:09.51 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Try this: 'rm -f ./hello' ; 'make hello' ; './hello' |
| 06:09.59 | guestish | why is he trying to compile hello world? |
| 06:10.11 | guestish | cthulfuego: im doubting this has a makefile |
| 06:10.13 | cthulfuego | kevix: stdio.h isn't explicitly required |
| 06:10.23 | cthulfuego | guestish: it doesn't *need* one |
| 06:10.34 | kevix | cthulfuego, yea, I know, old habits die hard! |
| 06:10.41 | killGetpid9 | still permission denied |
| 06:10.47 | mwilson | doobie doobie doobie |
| 06:10.50 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: what's your umask ? |
| 06:10.52 | guestish | cthulfuego: whatever, im still trying to figure out what the point of all this is |
| 06:10.55 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: run 'umask' |
| 06:11.06 | killGetpid9 | 0022 |
| 06:11.07 | nite613 | maybe killGetpid's directory is on a noexec mounted partition? |
| 06:11.12 | kevix | guestish, its the journey that matters ... |
| 06:11.18 | cthulfuego | nite613: Starting to look like it. |
| 06:11.18 | guestish | kevix: lol |
| 06:11.28 | guestish | kevix: thats a pointless answer.. |
| 06:11.30 | mwilson | busy busy busy |
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| 06:11.36 | kevix | nite613, that would make exec'ing really challanging! |
| 06:11.38 | guestish | mwilson: uh huh... |
| 06:11.49 | cthulfuego | guestish: Once this compiles, the way is open to compile an exploit and get that system h4xx0r3dz! |
| 06:11.58 | guestish | stick it in /dev/shm and try to run the stupid thing |
| 06:12.07 | mindphasr | Anyone know a reason why I can not get sound through my LINE IN jack on my PC? Ive checked volumes, they are all unmuted and up.. trying to get sound from my tv tuner card.. Sound is coming out because headphones from tv tuner card prove it |
| 06:12.21 | kevix | killGetpid9, what directory are you in? |
| 06:12.24 | killGetpid9 | damn.... |
| 06:12.35 | guestish | mindphasr: is it plugged in the right jack? |
| 06:12.40 | killGetpid9 | nite613... it did work |
| 06:12.42 | cthulfuego | mindphasr: Your computer doesn't like that tv show |
| 06:12.44 | mindphasr | Guerin: Yup |
| 06:12.50 | mindphasr | cthulfuego: heh |
| 06:12.57 | guestish | mindphasr: is the tv app configured to take sound from line in? |
| 06:13.30 | kevix | mindphasr, maybe the /dev/ changed? |
| 06:13.44 | mindphasr | guestish: I didn't know there was such a thing..I am using tvtime or xawtv.. nothing with either |
| 06:13.46 | guestish | /dev/shm is a ramdrive |
| 06:13.50 | killGetpid9 | nite613 it works in my home |
| 06:13.56 | guestish | mindbeat: bt848 card? |
| 06:14.03 | kevix | killGetpid9, you are not at your home? |
| 06:14.06 | cthulfuego | killGetpid9: Were you in /tmp before? |
| 06:14.06 | guestish | mindbeat: do you get picture at least? |
| 06:14.20 | killGetpid9 | no in a fat partition |
| 06:14.22 | mindphasr | guestish: cx8800 |
| 06:14.32 | guestish | mindbeat: picture, do you get picture? |
| 06:14.35 | cthulfuego | mindphasr: ah, fat. always bad. |
| 06:14.40 | guestish | !fat |
| 06:14.41 | mindphasr | guestish: Yeah, I get video fine.. the card is shooting out audio so I know its getting it |
| 06:14.50 | kevix | killGetpid9, try it in a linux one! |
| 06:14.50 | nite613 | sorry, debian geeks |
| 06:14.58 | killGetpid9 | kevix i does work |
| 06:14.59 | mindphasr | fat? |
| 06:14.59 | guestish | nite613: 10, 1 to do it and 9 to tell him hes doing it wrong |
| 06:15.05 | guestish | !vfat |
| 06:15.05 | dpkg | it has been said that vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw" |
| 06:15.05 | nite613 | haha |
| 06:15.18 | guestish | :) |
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| 06:15.42 | mindphasr | Why are we talking about fat? |
| 06:15.44 | mindphasr | heh |
| 06:15.48 | guestish | mindphasr: its realitively basic, you make sure that linein is turned up all the way and not muted and that your main volume is also up |
| 06:15.52 | killGetpid9 | thanks... very much |
| 06:15.54 | kevix | killGetpid9, why would you want to compile a linux binary in a dos partition? |
| 06:15.55 | cthulfuego | mindphasr: thinking about pizza |
| 06:16.20 | guestish | mindphasr: its a filesystem |
| 06:16.31 | guestish | a crappy old school fs |
| 06:16.32 | cthulfuego | kevix: Sometimes that's where there's more free space for source trees. |
| 06:16.42 | mindphasr | guestish: yeah, I know its basic.. I am stumped. Have gone through all that, tried mic port even.. yeah i know what fat is.. you just said "ah, fat. always bad" to me |
| 06:17.02 | guestish | mindphasr: that was cthulfuego |
| 06:17.07 | killGetpid9 | kevix i just started using debian today.. i haven't erased redmond yet and my biggest partition is that fat |
| 06:17.18 | hlp_me | btw, cthulfuego, what is wrong with using gcc, instead of make? |
| 06:17.25 | mindphasr | errm, my bad |
| 06:17.32 | guestish | hlp_me: make is a tool to automate gcc across multiple files |
| 06:17.34 | Speedy2 | Hrm, anyone else having issues connecting to ftp.debian.org ? |
| 06:17.35 | cthulfuego | guestish: stop accusing me, biatch |
| 06:17.45 | guestish | !botsex cthulfuego |
| 06:17.50 | kevix | killGetpid9, you may want to write an email to 'debian-user' mailing list. |
| 06:18.00 | dondelelcaro | Speedy2: considering the fact that ftp.debian.org is about 10 servers, you'll have to be more specific. |
| 06:18.06 | guestish | mindphasr: hrm, line out to line in on sound card |
| 06:18.08 | hlp_me | guestish, and we had one file, so, what is wrong in using gcc fro that very one file? |
| 06:18.10 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: For small single-files compiles, make automagically sets exec perms. Saves a step, less typing. |
| 06:18.16 | guestish | hlp_me: nothing, its more reliable |
| 06:18.25 | guestish | cthulfuego: meh |
| 06:18.28 | guestish | cthulfuego: lazy |
| 06:18.30 | Speedy2 | dondelelcaro: Well, I'm trying to use APT to install something and it's hanging when trying to connect to "ftp.debian.org" |
| 06:18.32 | hlp_me | guestish why is it more reliable? :) |
| 06:18.34 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Nothing _wrong_ with it, just inefficient ;-) |
| 06:18.42 | guestish | hlp_me: because you know what command you are executing |
| 06:18.46 | killGetpid9 | kevix i do |
| 06:18.57 | cthulfuego | guestish: I have better shit to do than typing 200 char commands ;-) |
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| 06:19.02 | hlp_me | guestish i say, you dont' know, cause, you don't see the makefile :) |
| 06:19.06 | mindphasr | guestish: All the hardware setup is fine.. (works-in-windows) |
| 06:19.13 | guestish | mindphasr: heh |
| 06:19.18 | guestish | mindphasr: does your sound card work on linux? |
| 06:19.20 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, i thouhg gcc sets the exec perms too :) |
| 06:19.22 | guestish | mindphasr: alsa or oss? |
| 06:19.29 | guestish | mindphasr: what mixer |
| 06:19.34 | mindphasr | guestish: yeah, sound card works fine. Alsa, oss mixer emulator |
| 06:19.41 | guestish | mindphasr: use alsamixer |
| 06:19.55 | guestish | mindphasr: the oss mixer emulator is imperfect |
| 06:20.07 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: I dodn't think it did, but I'll check. |
| 06:20.07 | mindphasr | guestish: I have.. volumes are all up |
| 06:20.16 | guestish | mindphasr: unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 06:20.21 | mindphasr | guestish: uh huh |
| 06:20.31 | guestish | mindphasr: audio source set in tvtime/xawtv to line in? |
| 06:20.41 | cthulfuego | AHAA! 'K' & 'R' = 66 |
| 06:20.44 | mwilson | Do all these cluebies doing these ssh attacks use the same g'damned script? |
| 06:20.57 | guestish | mindphasr: well it should be that by default.. |
| 06:20.59 | guestish | mwilson: probably |
| 06:21.03 | mindphasr | guestish: That I am not sure about, ill look into that. Never saw that option |
| 06:21.04 | guestish | mwilson: thats why they are cluebies |
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| 06:21.16 | guestish | mindphasr: i really dont know, i would ask in #livid |
| 06:21.21 | cthulfuego | gcc -o test -c test.c; ./test: permission denied |
| 06:21.24 | mindphasr | okay, thanks anyways :) |
| 06:21.24 | guestish | mindphasr: vektor, the maker of tvtime, lives in there |
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| 06:21.28 | mindphasr | ok |
| 06:21.33 | mwilson | guestish: You know the one I'm talking about... where they repeatedly try all these proper names... |
| 06:21.39 | mindphasr | this shall stump him |
| 06:21.44 | guestish | mwilson: a crappy ass brute force attack? |
| 06:21.49 | guestish | mindphasr: heh |
| 06:21.55 | hlp_me | cthulfuego perhaps umask :) |
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| 06:21.57 | guestish | mwilson: for shame... |
| 06:22.00 | mwilson | One of the machines I admin... over and over... different IP's, but the same list of names. |
| 06:22.06 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Nope... without the '-c' it works though |
| 06:22.10 | mindphasr | What is #livid, btw? |
| 06:22.11 | jake | cthulfuego, what sthe output of "ls -lh test" |
| 06:22.18 | guestish | mindphasr: /topic in #livid |
| 06:22.26 | mindphasr | right |
| 06:22.34 | cthulfuego | jake: -rw------- 1 cafuego cafuego 864 2004-11-29 16:25 test |
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| 06:22.48 | kevix | killGetpid9, sorry my xchat closed. |
| 06:22.56 | jake | cthulfuego, it doesnt have the execi\tuable permission set :) |
| 06:22.56 | hlp_me | cthulfuego i think he thinks you got a problem :) |
| 06:22.58 | guestish | mwilson: probably 1 with an army of bots |
| 06:23.06 | cthulfuego | jake: no shit, sherlock! |
| 06:23.08 | guestish | mwilson: maybe a sad version of a DDoS? |
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| 06:23.28 | jake | cthulfuego, sorry, got in late in the conversation. |
| 06:23.31 | guestish | cthulfuego: relax |
| 06:23.38 | mwilson | guestish: It tries root over and over, along with www-data and all that sort of stuff. |
| 06:23.39 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: Yes, but little does he know WHO my problem is... ;-) |
| 06:23.52 | Speedy2 | Ok, some odd network problem on myside, resolved |
| 06:23.54 | guestish | graceful... |
| 06:23.58 | hlp_me | cthulfuego, lol :) |
| 06:23.59 | cthulfuego | guestish: If I was more relaxed I'd have to sit on a toilet |
| 06:24.08 | jake | cthulfuego, what does that even mean?? |
| 06:24.10 | guestish | cthulfuego: k, toliet should be around the corner :) |
| 06:24.50 | hlp_me | jake, don't worry about it, we where just discussing hte output gcc produces, whetehr itis executable or not :) |
| 06:24.59 | cthulfuego | jake: what does _what_ mean? |
| 06:25.20 | jake | anywho, does anyone know how i can find out the version of a package i want to install. Like i go "apt-cache search someRandomPackage", and get a result. How do i find the verison of someRandomPackage that apt will install? |
| 06:25.32 | cthulfuego | jake: apt-cache show <package> |
| 06:25.51 | guestish | hlp_me: um...the definition of a compiler is to produce executable output... |
| 06:25.55 | guestish | iirc |
| 06:25.57 | guestish | !compiler |
| 06:25.57 | dpkg | hmm... compiler is A compiler translates a computer program from one language into another, catching any errors in syntax along the way. Most commonly, you translate some high level language, such as Haskell or C, into optimized machine language. This form of compilation puts your programs into a form that your computer can understand without any translation, thus speeding them up. |
| 06:26.00 | jake | cthulfuego, "Yes, but little does he know WHO my problem is" <---- I confused :( |
| 06:26.07 | mwilson | guestish: No. |
| 06:26.08 | jake | cthulfuego, thanks :) |
| 06:26.11 | cthulfuego | jake: Ah yes. |
| 06:26.12 | hlp_me | guestish, but does it set the executable flag or not :) |
| 06:26.21 | guestish | mwilson: oh fine, well gcc does make it exectuable |
| 06:26.28 | jake | cthulfuego, is "he" me? |
| 06:26.29 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: it does if you don't pass '-c' |
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| 06:26.41 | hlp_me | guestish, <cthulfuego> hlp_me: it does if you don't pass '-c' |
| 06:26.41 | guestish | !tell mindphasr about gatos |
| 06:27.00 | cthulfuego | 'make foo' is still faster, though |
| 06:27.02 | mindphasr | Ive looked into gatos actually. No support for my card.. drivers for ati all-in-wonders |
| 06:27.24 | mindphasr | See the thing is, the drivers work fine I would assume. |
| 06:27.26 | mwilson | guestish: heh |
| 06:27.30 | mindphasr | Because the card works, as does the audio. |
| 06:27.32 | hlp_me | guestish, aw.... i was preparing for more flame ;) |
| 06:27.33 | cthulfuego | mindphasr: have you run dri-trunk? |
| 06:27.41 | mindphasr | Seems to be a issue with my sound card maybe? |
| 06:27.49 | mindphasr | cthulfuego: nope |
| 06:27.50 | guestish | mindphasr: i bet you dont have it in the line in jack |
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| 06:28.06 | mindphasr | guestish: I have 3 jacks. Line in, Line out, Mic. |
| 06:28.11 | cthulfuego | mindphasr: That has improvied ATI drivers (though focused on 3D) |
| 06:28.14 | mwilson | maybe he thinks line in and mic are the same thing. |
| 06:28.15 | cthulfuego | improved |
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| 06:28.27 | jazzanova | hi |
| 06:28.31 | guestish | mwilson: well if he has all the volumes maxed they might as well be... |
| 06:28.45 | Speedy2 | Umm...this is odd |
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| 06:28.57 | mwilson | guestish: No, the impedance would still be different. |
| 06:28.59 | Speedy2 | I compiled a 2.6.9 kernel but there is no "System.map" file inthe arch/i386/boot folder |
| 06:29.00 | Speedy2 | Any ideas? |
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| 06:29.05 | guestish | mwilson: but he would get _something_ |
| 06:29.10 | peterS | Speedy2: it's in your toplevel directory |
| 06:29.12 | mindphasr | cthulfuego: Most likely for the graphic cards such as the ati all-in-wonders. Like I said earlier it doesnt seem to be a driver issue as the sound works fine when headphones are plugged into the tuner card |
| 06:29.14 | mwilson | Speedy2: Since there's not supposed to be, that could only be a good thing. |
| 06:29.23 | Speedy2 | peterS: Thanks! |
| 06:29.46 | acetech | is anyone here familiar with xcdroast and prodvd... i cannot dind it as a debian package and it is required to burn dvd's |
| 06:29.58 | peterS | acetech: prodvd is non-free |
| 06:29.59 | mindphasr | Well, even if it was in the mic slot it wouldn't matter. My volumes are all up.. enough to where my speakers would probably give if it suddenly had the urge to work. |
| 06:30.10 | guestish | mindphasr: then its a sound card issue, either you dont know how to use a mixer, your card is broken, your cable is broken, you arent doing LINE-OUT on the vid card to LINE-IN on the sound card, or your speakers are shot |
| 06:30.15 | mwilson | acetech: prodvd is non-free and thus not packaged by Debian. |
| 06:30.17 | jm_ | acetech: not it's not |
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| 06:30.21 | jm_ | no even |
| 06:30.26 | cthulfuego | acetech: You should file a bug against xcdroast, it shouldn't depend on a non-free package. |
| 06:30.30 | guestish | acetech: get dvdrecord |
| 06:30.35 | acetech | peterS, what can I use to burn an ISO to dvd? |
| 06:30.35 | guestish | acetech: should be in dvdrtools |
| 06:30.38 | kingsley | How does one tell which modules are related to oss? |
| 06:30.41 | mwilson | cthulfuego: I don't think it does. |
| 06:30.46 | jm_ | acetech: apt-cache show dvd+rw-tools |
| 06:30.49 | mindphasr | guestish: I can eliminate all them except for the broken sound card or broken cable. |
| 06:30.49 | mwilson | acetech: dvd+rw-toola |
| 06:30.56 | peterS | acetech: apt-cache search burn dvd |
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| 06:30.59 | mwilson | tools, even |
| 06:31.02 | guestish | mindphasr: then check both |
| 06:31.05 | acetech | jm_, i have dvdrw-tools installed |
| 06:31.07 | mwilson | ew, dvdrecord |
| 06:31.11 | jm_ | acetech: so use it |
| 06:31.13 | mindphasr | guestish: I will try to run something else through line in and check cable. bbiab while I go find a cd player or something. |
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| 06:31.18 | mwilson | acetech: Good, then use them. |
| 06:31.24 | acetech | can k3b burn an iso? |
| 06:31.31 | guestish | mindphasr: mmk |
| 06:31.33 | peterS | acetech: if xcdroast can't use that, file a bug (: |
| 06:31.41 | mwilson | acetech: Why would you need K3B? |
| 06:31.48 | guestish | mwilson: whats wrong with dvdrtools? |
| 06:32.04 | mwilson | guestish: Unmaintained crud. |
| 06:32.05 | guestish | mwilson: i havent used them, but i dont see what would be wrong with them |
| 06:32.07 | guestish | heh |
| 06:32.17 | acetech | because i like the gui |
| 06:32.17 | guestish | mwilson: did dvd+rw-tools fork? |
| 06:32.36 | mwilson | guestish: Not that I'm aware of... dvdrtools is cdrecord-based. |
| 06:32.48 | guestish | mwilson: i know, whats dvd+rw-tools based off of? |
| 06:32.51 | mwilson | acetech: You were whining about burning an ISO. |
| 06:32.57 | mwilson | guestish: Nothing. :) |
| 06:33.06 | guestish | mwilson: heh |
| 06:33.08 | guestish | good stuff |
| 06:33.10 | acetech | i'm not wining about it... |
| 06:33.11 | guestish | misleading name :) |
| 06:33.15 | mwilson | guestish: It *needs* mkisofs, but it's not based on it. |
| 06:33.35 | guestish | mwilson: it use iso or bin/cue? |
| 06:33.40 | guestish | wait, nv, |
| 06:33.43 | guestish | iso then... |
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| 06:34.06 | acetech | i dont think k3b burns isos |
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| 06:34.15 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 06:34.31 | guestish | acetech: it can act as a mkisofs frontend |
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| 06:34.50 | acetech | guestish, how do i do that? |
| 06:35.00 | guestish | acetech: check make image only when buring |
| 06:35.02 | guestish | burning |
| 06:35.59 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:36.04 | Guerin | k3b sure as hell does make isos |
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| 06:36.09 | Guerin | and burns them too |
| 06:36.13 | acetech | guestish: alright, i will try this out... wanted to let you know i got the sound workign now too... got rid of the on board by recompiling the kernel not to recognize it... and i have to do oss emulation in the gmplayer |
| 06:36.44 | hanasaki | what free player will play windows media player or realplayer |
| 06:36.44 | guestish | acetech: still? why doesnt native alsa support work? |
| 06:36.53 | guestish | !tell hanasaki about mplayer |
| 06:36.55 | guestish | !tell hanasaki about marillat |
| 06:36.59 | Guerin | hanasaki: mplayer; you still need non-free codecs though |
| 06:37.09 | hanasaki | thanks Guerin |
| 06:37.26 | acetech | guestish, i am not sure... but the oss emulation seems to be doing the job |
| 06:37.27 | hanasaki | will zine play them if i install the codecs? |
| 06:37.33 | guestish | acetech: k, then dont worry about it |
| 06:37.43 | guestish | acetech: if oss emulation works than most likely native alsa will too |
| 06:38.27 | Guerin | hanasaki: should do, yeah |
| 06:38.38 | hanasaki | hmm thats what i thought |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | hanasaki: xine, you mean |
| 06:38.43 | hanasaki | ya xine |
| 06:38.44 | hanasaki | sorry |
| 06:38.45 | hanasaki | lol |
| 06:38.55 | hanasaki | having trouble getting the thing to launch from firefox |
| 06:38.58 | Guerin | fucking libranet troll |
| 06:39.04 | hanasaki | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/view/ |
| 06:39.15 | guestish | Guerin: ? |
| 06:39.28 | hanasaki | !tell hanasaki about mplayer |
| 06:39.28 | guestish | gone now... |
| 06:39.29 | Guerin | guestish: abercrombie's /quit |
| 06:39.33 | Guerin | i know |
| 06:39.37 | Guerin | I'm just sayin' |
| 06:39.40 | guestish | heh |
| 06:40.09 | MM | my stable apache crashed :/ |
| 06:40.41 | fusion | 2.x? |
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| 06:40.47 | WiFiTux | MM, ain't that stable then |
| 06:40.47 | fusion | cause 1.3x is legacy |
| 06:41.02 | Guerin | fusion: it fucking is not |
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| 06:41.05 | Guerin | jesus |
| 06:41.15 | WiFiTux | !worship 2.6.9 |
| 06:41.17 | MM | WiFiTux: yes it is :P |
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| 06:41.22 | fusion | Guerin, it fucking is. Look at the topic in #apache. |
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| 06:41.29 | guestish | Topic for #apache is Apache Versions 2.0.52(stable), 1.3.33(legacy), 2.1.1(developer), docs at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
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| 06:41.59 | Guerin | feh |
| 06:42.08 | Guerin | it's still the most widely used webserver |
| 06:42.14 | WiFiTux | !info apache woody |
| 06:42.16 | dpkg | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody5 (woody), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 06:42.22 | fusion | that doesn't make it not legacy |
| 06:42.24 | guestish | Guerin: sure, but no new features :) |
| 06:42.30 | fusion | they dont develop it anymore |
| 06:42.34 | fusion | they only maintain it |
| 06:42.52 | Guerin | and until apache2 works reliably with php, etc, then it's the only realistic choice for massive numbers of people |
| 06:43.08 | fusion | I havent had one problem with apache2 + php4 |
| 06:44.12 | guestish | Guerin: new breaks stuff, its a fact of life :) |
| 06:44.25 | rich_ | Hmm looks like the dept of work and pensions just got bit in the uk |
| 06:44.33 | Guerin | guestish: yeah, innit. |
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| 06:45.04 | fusion | I never upgrade things..I always start them from scratch |
| 06:45.15 | MM2 | btw, I have problem with my mailserver (not so stable) it crashes every sunday 6am (cron.weekly?) it has in /var/log/messages kernel: hm, page 000f6000 reserved twice. Is that what is killing that comp? |
| 06:45.15 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:46.14 | ananke | MM2 : check what runs at 6am on sunday. that would be the first step |
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| 06:46.31 | MM2 | ananke: are them in /etc/cron.weekly? |
| 06:46.42 | ananke | MM2 : i have no clue, i don't use debian :) |
| 06:46.45 | MM2 | there is just scripts from stable packages |
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| 06:47.00 | dondelelcaro | MM2: it's probably the logrotate script that is doing it. |
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| 06:47.07 | ElNooboStupido | Im having problems getting xforwarding enabled... I changed /etc/ssh/ssh_config and restarted ssh but im still not able to get forwarding going.... |
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| 06:47.26 | WiFiTux | OK! Time to sleep with the fishes!!! |
| 06:47.32 | ananke | MM2 : if i'd have to take a wild guess, at that time something runs that tries to access disk, and your filesystem is corrupted |
| 06:47.34 | MM2 | dondelelcaro: I think that too |
| 06:47.57 | MM2 | ananke: fsck is run week ago |
| 06:48.49 | ananke | MM2 : well, one way to check is to manually run everything that you have scheduled for that time/day. see what triggers the bug. |
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| 06:48.52 | jm_ | ElNooboStupido: you need it enabled on both sides |
| 06:48.57 | debdeb | anyone help me to change my screen resolution please ? |
| 06:49.08 | Guerin | isn't page 000f6000 ram, not disk? |
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| 06:49.17 | MM2 | How I can find out other scripts that run on same time? |
| 06:49.21 | ananke | that's what i was thinking. ram/swap |
| 06:49.27 | Guerin | MM2: /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 06:49.36 | dondelelcaro | MM2: look at /etc/crontab; that'll tell you what time they run at. |
| 06:49.40 | MM2 | which are run first? |
| 06:49.45 | ananke | i'd suggest turning off swap, then mkswap -c the swap devices again |
| 06:50.06 | dondelelcaro | MM2: they're run in run-parts ordery. |
| 06:50.17 | ananke | if swap is fine, then maybe your ram is bad. memtest86 time... |
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| 06:50.32 | MM2 | run-parts order? |
| 06:50.48 | MM2 | alphabetically? |
| 06:50.49 | ElNooboStupido | I have it enabled on this end |
| 06:51.14 | dondelelcaro | MM2: "Files are run in the lexical sort order of their names unless the --reverse option is given, in which case they are run in the opposite order." |
| 06:51.18 | dondelelcaro | MM2: man run-parts; |
| 06:51.31 | kevix | debdeb, a quick hack is to use 'X -configure' |
| 06:51.38 | ElNooboStupido | crap |
| 06:51.38 | MM2 | man man! :D |
| 06:51.40 | ElNooboStupido | still nto working |
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| 06:51.45 | ElNooboStupido | worked fine on fedora |
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| 06:52.06 | jm_ | ElNooboStupido: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 06:52.13 | debdeb | kevix, when i configure X window i selected 1280x1024 |
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| 06:52.18 | debdeb | but i'm using 800x600 now |
| 06:52.23 | Spanish_guy | Q: i installed debian with grub in the mbr, and then i installed a windows xp, so i lost te grub, how can I get it back ????? |
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| 06:52.34 | jm_ | reinstall it |
| 06:52.41 | anonobomber | if i want to modprobe a module on boot which file would this be configured in (running sarge with 2.6.x kernels) |
| 06:52.51 | Spanish_guy | i dont' want to lose all data! |
| 06:52.57 | jm_ | anonom;/etc/modules-2.6 |
| 06:53.03 | jm_ | you reinstall grub only |
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| 06:53.05 | Guerin | Spanish_guy: boot from a boot disk, mount your / rw and run grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 06:53.07 | jm_ | man grub-install |
| 06:53.07 | killGetpid9 | thak you everyone, for everything |
| 06:53.10 | Spanish_guy | how? |
| 06:53.14 | killGetpid9 | see ya |
| 06:53.18 | Spanish_guy | i cant get into linux |
| 06:53.25 | jm_ | why did I know I had to tell them how in advance ? |
| 06:53.26 | kevix | debdeb, have you looked at the /var/log/Xfree86.log for errors? |
| 06:53.26 | Spanish_guy | im stuck in winXP |
| 06:53.31 | MM2 | logrotate has only scripts from stable... Only thing I have changed is to have logs back to 26 weeks... |
| 06:53.45 | Guerin | Spanish_guy: boot with a rescue disk, what part of that is unclear? |
| 06:53.55 | anonobomber | jm_: /etc/modules.conf work? |
| 06:53.58 | ananke | MM2 : well, try to run it manually. you need to learn how to disect problems. |
| 06:54.10 | anonobomber | jm_: '/sbin/modprobe evdev' ? |
| 06:54.19 | jm_ | anonobomber: no, that's for 2.4 - use /etc/modprobe.d |
| 06:54.20 | MM2 | ananke: :( |
| 06:54.32 | ananke | MM2 : it's simple. divide the problems into smaller chunks. |
| 06:54.32 | MM2 | gtg, scripts to run... |
| 06:54.44 | MM2|afk | k |
| 06:54.56 | jm_ | anonobomber: check /usr/share/doc/module-init-tools |
| 06:54.57 | MM2|afk | it is just script testing... |
| 06:55.06 | anonobomber | jm_: thanks |
| 06:55.11 | kevix | ananke, /etc/modules |
| 06:55.32 | Spanish_guy | Guerin: I only have debians serge cd , how do I boot from there ?? |
| 06:55.52 | kevix | Spanish_guy, no knoppix? |
| 06:56.00 | Spanish_guy | nope |
| 06:56.08 | Guerin | Spanish_guy: put in cd, reboot |
| 06:56.38 | mwilson | guestish: Hey, did you ever sort out the rest of your fonts? |
| 06:56.41 | hanasaki | what do i need to do to get firefox configured to launch gxine when it gets a windows media player or real audio link? |
| 06:56.45 | Spanish_guy | i did it, and started debian's installation |
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| 06:56.56 | kevix | Spanish_guy, I'd suggest getting one! they are very,very useful! |
| 06:56.58 | guestish | mwilson: na, right now im just commenting out the Type1 directory until i find the time to sort through each font |
| 06:57.07 | guestish | mwilson: all the corrupt fonts are Type1 |
| 06:57.13 | mwilson | ah |
| 06:57.14 | Guerin | Spanish_guy: read the help screens when you first boot |
| 06:57.26 | Abercrombie | Whats the difference with debian and the debian based? Which 1 is easier and which 1 is better for newbies? |
| 06:57.32 | guestish | !debian based |
| 06:57.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian based is Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 06:57.37 | Guerin | Abercrombie: troll |
| 06:57.51 | Abercrombie | omg no |
| 06:57.55 | guestish | mwilson: and i mean most of them are corrupt...dunno how it happened |
| 06:57.58 | Guerin | Abercrombie: your /quit and /away messages have been trolling for libranet all this time, why do you bother to ask? |
| 06:58.13 | mwilson | Guerin: Plus he thinks the number "1" is a word. |
| 06:58.15 | jm_ | hanasaki: mime types |
| 06:58.22 | Abercrombie | excuse me thats my cousin's message not me |
| 06:58.27 | kevix | Abercrombie, if you want to run it as a desktop, 'debian-based'. if you want to administer it or learn how, the debian. |
| 06:58.28 | hanasaki | jm_: ah |
| 06:58.30 | nicomen | the number l is a word |
| 06:58.31 | mwilson | guestish: Wow. |
| 06:58.31 | debdeb | kevix, http://www.pastebin.com/124388 |
| 06:58.36 | debdeb | only this error |
| 06:58.38 | Guerin | Abercrombie: ... |
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| 06:58.42 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Debian for * |
| 06:58.48 | guestish | mwilson: i go down the list and pretty much every time i hit one it crashes X... |
| 06:59.09 | nicomen | dondelelcaro: for none or more? |
| 06:59.14 | Abercrombie | thanks, kevix |
| 06:59.16 | nicomen | dondelelcaro: for asterisk? |
| 06:59.18 | guestish | anyways off to sleep |
| 06:59.20 | guestish | g'night all |
| 06:59.23 | nicomen | for escape? |
| 06:59.26 | mwilson | Wonder if XFree's Type1 renderer is screwed on your box. |
| 06:59.32 | guestish | might be |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | debian if you want an os which works and will never fuck you up, and that you'll never have to reinstall. |
| 06:59.33 | dondelelcaro | nicomen: for glob. |
| 06:59.37 | guestish | mwilson: that a seperate package? |
| 06:59.39 | mwilson | g'night |
| 06:59.44 | Abercrombie | thans Guerin |
| 06:59.45 | mwilson | guestish: No. |
| 06:59.50 | guestish | meh, deal with it later... |
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| 06:59.56 | kevix | debdeb, what card are you running? I'm not expert on dri errors. |
| 07:00.04 | nicomen | dondelelcaro: sorry, nevre heard of him |
| 07:00.06 | Abercrombie | I'm gonna download the net-installer then, Sarge right |
| 07:00.13 | dedeb | kevix, i'm using onboard video card |
| 07:00.16 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:00.16 | dedeb | hmm a sec |
| 07:00.20 | Abercrombie | how can you add a more gui login ? |
| 07:00.32 | dondelelcaro | nicomen: it's ok. More sh coding or work in perl and you'll know what globbing is. |
| 07:00.32 | Guerin | Abercrombie: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:00.43 | kerpal23_ | anyone run amavis here? |
| 07:00.52 | kerpal23_ | !poll kerpal |
| 07:01.06 | kevix | Abercrombie, use a display manager : wdm, kde, gdm ... |
| 07:01.08 | Speedy2 | Abercrombie: "gdm" is a graphical login "thing" |
| 07:01.12 | Abercrombie | I used it before and liked it, but I was wondering if I can change that debian logon, to something like I seen other distros have? |
| 07:01.13 | Guerin | kerpal23_: it's too hungry for me |
| 07:01.26 | Guerin | Abercrombie: of course you can. |
| 07:01.28 | Fosten | guestish: module-assistant fails for lirc, no luck with the kernel headers or kernel source... not sure where to go from here |
| 07:01.31 | nicomen | dondelelcaro: in perl regex * means zero or more ;) |
| 07:01.35 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the people who manage to get onto IRC never cease to amaze me. |
| 07:01.37 | Guerin | mwilson: you DO have a point. |
| 07:01.43 | dondelelcaro | nicomen: I said nothing about regexes. |
| 07:01.47 | dedeb | kevix, how can i check my video card :) |
| 07:01.49 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: dpkg doesn't know what globbing is .. |
| 07:01.56 | dondelelcaro | nicomen: and if I were using them, it'd have to be .* anyway. |
| 07:02.01 | nicomen | dondelelcaro: ok ;) |
| 07:02.08 | kevix | dedeb, lspci ? |
| 07:02.13 | Abercrombie | kevix:Guerin:Speedy2: Thanks just making sure |
| 07:02.14 | Guerin | kerpal23_: he didn't find his way on to irc, dondelelcaro found it for him. |
| 07:02.28 | dedeb | kevix, it doesn't have any video letter |
| 07:02.42 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: hmm.. well no one hellped me onto irc. |
| 07:02.54 | Guerin | kerpal23_: but you know about globbing. |
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| 07:02.58 | Abercrombie | Whos on sid here? how stable is it? |
| 07:03.01 | Guerin | you DO know about globbing, don't you? |
| 07:03.05 | Guerin | Abercrombie: it's not. |
| 07:03.14 | Guerin | Abercrombie: that's why it's called UNstable |
| 07:03.15 | kevix | dedeb, since copypaste has no limit, paste the whole thing! |
| 07:03.21 | kerpal23_ | what is globbing? |
| 07:03.30 | Abercrombie | But some unstable things don't break |
| 07:03.35 | Guerin | !annoy kerpal |
| 07:03.36 | dpkg | kerpal: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 07:03.45 | Guerin | hrm, no tab completion |
| 07:03.51 | kerpal23_ | !annoy Guerin |
| 07:03.52 | dpkg | Guerin: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 07:04.05 | Guerin | Abercrombie: that's not the point; you asked how stable it is. The answer: it ain't. It changes daily. |
| 07:04.05 | jasonf | !confuse kerpal23_ |
| 07:04.06 | dpkg | No, those was their pineapple today, kerpal23_? pants of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 07:04.09 | kevix | Abercrombie, sid is by definition the most unstable |
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| 07:04.18 | rich_ | I was helped by a guy who saw me hanging ariound the main computer center at slac. I used to go there to play text games and he told me about man pages, and about command completion, and he said one of the commands I should try first was "irc". He looked a lot like wes asher |
| 07:04.49 | hanasaki | werhe are those mime types in firefox? i cant find them |
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| 07:04.58 | kerpal23_ | well, thats intresting i have been globbing things since dos, and i had no idea it was called globbing.. |
| 07:05.09 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:05.11 | jm_ | hansa;preferences, helper applications or whatever |
| 07:05.22 | kevix | hanasaki, firefox uses '.js' files. |
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| 07:05.42 | Guerin | man, I just can't get over how cheap and easy it is to get glasses in this country |
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| 07:05.46 | dedeb | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 07:05.48 | hanasaki | kevix: that accessible via the gui or i need to manually edit it |
| 07:06.00 | kerpal23_ | amavis is nuts, you tell postix to bind to a port, then you tell amamvis to bind to the same port.. wtf is that ffs |
| 07:06.13 | Guerin | kerpal23_: not the SAME port... |
| 07:06.23 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: im serious. |
| 07:06.25 | jm_ | hanasaki: preferences, helper applications or whatever |
| 07:06.26 | Abercrombie | so if a person wants to run the latest cutting edge, hes not recommended to run sid because its gonna cause probs? since it changes daily, you have to update/upgrade daily right ... |
| 07:06.28 | rich_ | Guerin I got glasses when I was in mazatlan, mexico and they were about $20 |
| 07:06.28 | kevix | hanasaki, find |grep ".js$" |
| 07:06.35 | rich_ | which is much cheaper then here |
| 07:06.40 | jm_ | Abercrombie: no you don't *have* to |
| 07:06.56 | kevix | hanasaki, I keep reading about people hacking the .js files. no gui. |
| 07:06.56 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: obviously that INSTALL file doesn't really explain whats going on.. |
| 07:07.00 | Speedy2 | Can someone tell me what repository the following "xfree86-drivers-synaptics" is located in? |
| 07:07.05 | Speedy2 | It's not showing up for me |
| 07:07.08 | takatumi | Abercrombie: I haven't upgraded in a month |
| 07:07.17 | Guerin | kerpal23_: no, it sure doesn't |
| 07:07.19 | jm_ | that's in Sarge |
| 07:07.20 | Abercrombie | if you update/upgrade daily then you have a bigger chance of a crash or breaking? |
| 07:07.25 | Abercrombie | taka you on sid? |
| 07:07.33 | hanasaki | kevix: ewwww. ... looks like windows registery naems |
| 07:07.39 | dedeb | and.. |
| 07:07.40 | hanasaki | 3b56bcc7-54e5-44a2-9b44-66c3ef58c13e |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | typically you tell amavis to listen on 10024 or something, then postfix to listen on 10025 ... mail comes into postfix on 25, gets passed to amavis on 10024, then back to postfix on 10025 |
| 07:08.04 | Speedy2 | jm_: Were you talking to me? |
| 07:08.05 | kevix | Abercrombie, if you want to run a business that make money, you dont want your server to crash, do you? |
| 07:08.09 | jm_ | Speedy2: yes |
| 07:08.11 | takatumi | Abercrombie: yes |
| 07:08.22 | kevix | Abercrombie, that is why you run stable! |
| 07:08.23 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: whats even more odd, is i had the two talking but i don't know what happend that i made it worse.. before my problem was that maia mailguard patched amavisd to do sql entries.. well it wasn't to specific on where to put that database.cfg file so the debuger was really thorough about telling me it was broke. |
| 07:08.26 | Guerin | i might have the typical port numbers wrong, but that's the principle |
| 07:08.26 | Speedy2 | jm_: apt-get install is not picking it up for me; do you have any suggestions? |
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| 07:08.46 | jm_ | Speedy2: are you using Sarge ? |
| 07:08.48 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: i wish i read perl a lil bit better, i love how REALLY good programmers right the most confusing code. |
| 07:09.00 | Guerin | rich_: damn, that's cheap |
| 07:09.00 | Abercrombie | got'cha |
| 07:09.20 | Abercrombie | But stable is also outdated, so the best thing is testing for me to be safe and more up to date than stable? |
| 07:09.23 | jm_ | Speedy2: no msgs, talk here - well then it doesn't have all of Sarge in it |
| 07:09.45 | Guerin | rich_: I just paid about KRW110,000; a bit less than US$100 - a bit under half what they'd cost in NZ, and the whole process took 15 minutes |
| 07:09.52 | rich_ | Guerin yes and of course mazatlan is a tourist town |
| 07:09.54 | Speedy2 | jm_: I'm using Libranet, so the absolute answer is "No" |
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| 07:10.01 | takatumi | Abercrombie: testing (sarge) should be stable soon, so leave it at sarge and you should be ok. |
| 07:10.02 | Guerin | rich_: haha, so they ssaw you coming :) |
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| 07:10.13 | kevix | Abercrombie, that is due to changes in Debian, they worked on a new installer, this acconuted for some of the holdup, that and 15,000 programs. |
| 07:10.26 | Guerin | !tell Speedy2 about essentially debian |
| 07:10.31 | rich_ | Guerin probably. He wore glasses :) |
| 07:10.40 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:10.57 | Abercrombie | how up to date is testing? |
| 07:11.33 | Guerin | kerpal23_: I feel your pain. |
| 07:11.46 | jm_ | Speedy2: I wouldn't know - get it from Debian mirrors and try istalling it |
| 07:11.56 | kevix | Abercrombie, testing goes from 'near unstable to near stable'. now it is 'near stable' |
| 07:12.08 | takatumi | Abercrombie: check packages.debian.org |
| 07:12.23 | Guerin | Abercrombie: it's 10 days behind unstable, disregarding the fact that if a package in unstable has serious bugs, it won't filter down into testing |
| 07:12.36 | Abercrombie | stable, testing, sid ... i rather run all 3 combined some things of each you know ? |
| 07:12.40 | kerpal23_ | I think im sick of computers.. maybe i will gointo bottonany or something. |
| 07:12.46 | takatumi | Abercrombie: bad idea |
| 07:12.48 | Guerin | Abercrombie: no, you don't want to do that AT ALL. |
| 07:12.49 | kevix | Abercrombie, if you need SOME packages that are more up to date, folks use 'backports'. |
| 07:12.59 | Guerin | kerpal23_: botany |
| 07:13.01 | kevix | Abercrombie, do a google on 'backports'. |
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| 07:13.29 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: thanks im well on my way to botany now. |
| 07:13.33 | Guerin | kerpal23_: unless you actually did mean bottonany, in which case I wish you God Speed... |
| 07:13.36 | Fosten | trying to install lirc-modules-source against kernel-image-2.6.8, tried building against the headers with no luck, any advice? |
| 07:13.53 | kerpal23_ | whats the diff? |
| 07:14.07 | Guerin | kerpal23_: ton |
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| 07:14.27 | kerpal23_ | what is bottonany it doesnt' come up on google at all. |
| 07:14.37 | kerpal23_ | you could publish the first bottonany web page |
| 07:14.40 | daos | can anyone help me with this error? "ex/vi: Error: /var/tmp/vi.recover: Read-only file system" |
| 07:14.41 | kevix | Guerin, may be kerpal23_ meant botany bay! |
| 07:14.43 | Phated | Yeah that would be why he wished you godspeed. |
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| 07:15.01 | daos | I get it when I try to edit any file with vi? |
| 07:15.04 | kerpal23_ | kevix: funny enough i was thinking abou tit. |
| 07:15.04 | takatumi | Phated: believe me I typed half of that |
| 07:15.07 | Guerin | kevix: well, I wouldn't send anyone there just for bad spelling, but... |
| 07:15.12 | Abercrombie | What's the slowest cpu can deb be installed and run smooth? |
| 07:15.23 | sep | daos, isnt it obvious ? you have a read only fs, use 'mount' to check |
| 07:15.26 | jm_ | Abercrombie: it entirely depends on what you want to do with it |
| 07:15.30 | Phated | takatumi: I'm sure. |
| 07:15.30 | kevix | daos, sounds like you are running in 'single user mode'? |
| 07:15.34 | Abercrombie | I have a celeron (i686) 634mhz 256mb 20gb just for linux |
| 07:15.42 | Guerin | I can ssee why they sent crims there though - horrible barren muddy windy place |
| 07:15.48 | directhex | Abercrombie, that's faster than my office machine |
| 07:16.03 | kerpal23_ | i have installed debian on pentium 133 |
| 07:16.04 | kerpal23_ | 's |
| 07:16.08 | sep | Abercrombie, i have used deb on 486 33 mhz, not with a gui tho, but it was speedy enoughf for the task |
| 07:16.09 | takatumi | directhex: I thought you worked at a lab |
| 07:16.13 | kevix | Abercrombie, I have a 166 mhz laptop with 32mb ram! |
| 07:16.13 | Guerin | Abercrombie: I've heard of it running on a 386 sx-25 with 4MB |
| 07:16.16 | sep | i think 12 mb ram |
| 07:16.26 | Abercrombie | Well I want to learn linux very well so when I do I can move linux into my laptop amd athlon xp-m 2800+ 704mb ddr 30gb and I might buy a better pc soon when I start working |
| 07:16.34 | Guerin | Abercrombie: that computer you have is entirely superfluous |
| 07:16.36 | Abercrombie | WOW .... thanks |
| 07:16.45 | kerpal23_ | kevix: install linux on it man. |
| 07:16.49 | Abercrombie | superfluos? what you mean my celeron or amd ? |
| 07:17.03 | kerpal23_ | kevix: do it the intresting way and run gentoo. |
| 07:17.06 | kevix | kerpal23_, its running sid! |
| 07:17.07 | directhex | takatumi, yeah, but i still have a slow-ass desktop machine. largely because the machine i have my sights set on, a spare dual itanium 2, is too damned heavy to carry to the office |
| 07:17.10 | Empty | Abercrombie, you should be fine |
| 07:17.17 | kingsley | What's a good way to find out which part of the boot sequence loads a module? |
| 07:17.25 | kerpal23_ | anyone wanna run gentoo on a 386, the gentoo on 386 project. :) |
| 07:17.26 | Guerin | Abercrombie: either of them are far faster than is NEEDED to run debian. You might WANT a machine that fast, but you sure as shit don't need it. |
| 07:17.45 | takatumi | directhex: go for a good laptop |
| 07:17.46 | Abercrombie | thanks :) |
| 07:17.56 | directhex | Guerin, i wouldn't encourage installing debian on 386, soncidering current rumblings in the mailing lists about that 486 emulation patch... |
| 07:17.57 | Empty | kerpal23_, i think computers can do more interesting things in a month than compile 'ls' |
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| 07:18.05 | Abercrombie | so the question anything can be done in debian? or if you want to do anything go gentoo ? |
| 07:18.11 | Guerin | directhex: I didn't - I just said it's been done. |
| 07:18.11 | kerpal23_ | lol |
| 07:18.30 | kevix | directhex, the debian-installer can run as long as there is 32MB IIRC. |
| 07:18.35 | takatumi | directhex: soncidering, strange you got the c and s messed up, never seen that before :) |
| 07:18.35 | sep | Abercrombie, you can do anything in any distribution, it's just different ways of achiving the goal |
| 07:18.38 | Empty | Abercrombie, Debian can do anything Gentoo can, and better. |
| 07:18.40 | dondelelcaro | Abercrombie: anything can be done in Debian. |
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| 07:18.48 | Guerin | d-i requires 20MB; woody needed 12 |
| 07:18.49 | Abercrombie | :) |
| 07:18.53 | dondelelcaro | well, assuming you can do it at all, that is. |
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| 07:19.18 | sep | dondelelcaro, the impossible only takes longer time.. :) |
| 07:19.22 | directhex | takatumi, i have 0 desire for a 'good' laptop which weighs a ton & lasts a few minutes off the battery... and ultralightweight tiny things running cruesoes or c3s cost a fucking fortune |
| 07:19.24 | kerpal23_ | ambercrombie gentoo requires alot of proccessing to be able to use something for the first time... .... .... (leaving this as simple as possible) |
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| 07:19.35 | kevix | Guerin, I meant RAM, the 20 if for HD? |
| 07:19.44 | Guerin | kevix: no, that's ram. |
| 07:19.59 | Empty | Here's a question for you all: What's the preferred Debian Way of getting CPAN modules? just apt-get the packages, or use perl -MCPAN -e 'foo' |
| 07:20.01 | kevix | Guerin, oh. I think it goes into low-mem mode! |
| 07:20.09 | takatumi | directhex: heard there are 8 hour battery packs now, mine lasts ~2 |
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| 07:20.26 | kerpal23_ | pen and paper has the lowest system requirements, it only needs 0 megs of ram and 0 megs of storage to install. |
| 07:20.27 | jm_ | Empty: apt-get if they exist, otherwise - apt-cache show dh-make-perl |
| 07:20.33 | kevix | Empty, neither! |
| 07:20.48 | kevix | jm_, you are CORRECT! |
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| 07:20.51 | kerpal23_ | it is also bobby compliant, and comes preloaded with lines. |
| 07:20.52 | Phated | kerpal23_: Wrong. You need some good solid file space for that. |
| 07:20.55 | kingsley | Empty: I vote for apt-get. Then it'll be in the database. |
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| 07:21.11 | Abercrombie | Well thanks for everything I will come back tomorrow here so I can install it ... GoodNIght Everyone and thanks everyone who helped I appreciate it .. and thanks for making me like Linux and not stay with windows, another linux user to the list ;) thanks to those |
| 07:21.19 | Empty | jm_, thanks |
| 07:21.23 | Abercrombie | Best Wishes!! |
| 07:21.24 | Guerin | hrm, seems I'm lying - d-i manual says 32MB |
| 07:21.25 | kevix | cheers! |
| 07:21.35 | kevix | hehe! |
| 07:21.51 | directhex | i need a breakfast beer |
| 07:22.05 | takatumi | directhex: irish coffee |
| 07:22.16 | Guerin | directhex: nothing like a pint and a pie for breakfast on a monday morning |
| 07:22.19 | kerpal23_ | we need a honeypot for noobs |
| 07:22.21 | kevix | directhex needs a virtual beer! put a round on my virtual tab! |
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| 07:22.33 | Phated | I need a headache pill. |
| 07:22.49 | kevix | Phated, isnt that what beer is for! |
| 07:22.55 | Empty | Phated: I find medication one inhales better for that |
| 07:22.59 | Phated | Get lost, I don't drink. |
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| 07:23.14 | kevix | Phated, no ones perfect! |
| 07:23.24 | Phated | I can see. |
| 07:23.34 | takatumi | Phated: fire up the bong then. |
| 07:23.40 | Guerin | hahah |
| 07:23.40 | kevix | Phated, although how do you live without water? |
| 07:23.43 | Empty | tres geek, I have three monitors in front of me and something going on each |
| 07:23.54 | Guerin | we've been through this police state thing already |
| 07:24.06 | kerpal23_ | I wish they would make a dual monitor laptop |
| 07:24.10 | Phated | kevix: Believe me, I've been asked that plenty. I like to think I live off the poison in my lungs. |
| 07:24.17 | kevix | Empty, what's on the telly? |
| 07:24.22 | kerpal23_ | 2 lcds, right in the laptop not just an extra port in the back. |
| 07:24.28 | kerpal23_ | that would be sw33t. |
| 07:24.36 | Empty | kerpal23_, better yet one with 2 extra screens that fold out |
| 07:24.46 | Empty | kevix, knowledge > tv |
| 07:24.47 | directhex | kerpal23_, those exist |
| 07:24.50 | kerpal23_ | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:24.54 | kevix | Empty, are you using xinerma? |
| 07:24.57 | kerpal23_ | really? |
| 07:25.00 | Empty | but in my livingroom the telly is showing the Halo 2 Pause Screen |
| 07:25.10 | Empty | kevix: 3 boxes |
| 07:25.21 | sep | how about one that can project the image directly onto the wall ? |
| 07:25.27 | kerpal23_ | directhex point me in a direction a model name, manufactorur? |
| 07:25.31 | sep | or even better, directly onto your retina |
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| 07:25.42 | Guerin | Empty: http://www.moule.org/images/index.php?mode=view&directory=/images&file=bwahah.jpg |
| 07:25.44 | Phated | Can you say glaucoma. |
| 07:25.58 | Guerin | Empty: your three monitors have been pwn3d |
| 07:25.58 | directhex | kerpal23_, can't remember. also, the screens are portrait, i.e. a landscape screen split in two |
| 07:26.16 | Empty | Guerin, seen the EQ guy with 6? |
| 07:26.17 | Phated | directhex: Meh, that's cheating. |
| 07:26.22 | directhex | Guerin, you been spending time on quakenet or something? |
| 07:26.28 | Guerin | directhex: nope |
| 07:26.34 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: thats wicked.. |
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| 07:26.44 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: what game is that? |
| 07:26.44 | Guerin | directhex: someone linked one of these the other day, I trolled through a few |
| 07:26.45 | Guerin | oh! |
| 07:26.53 | Guerin | that remonds me, I got a good one on the weekend |
| 07:26.59 | directhex | Guerin, i meant the 'pwn3d' |
| 07:27.13 | Guerin | gimme 5 minutes to get it outta my camera and sized down to something less than 5mpix |
| 07:27.19 | Guerin | directhex: no, I just use it ironically |
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| 07:27.37 | kerpal23_ | what games is it Guerin? |
| 07:27.39 | Empty | Guerin, there's a guy that plays EQ that has 6 boxes up and plays a full group simultaneously |
| 07:27.39 | Guerin | directhex: I even started using it in real life, and my non-geek friends are picking it up, heh |
| 07:27.43 | directhex | Guerin, that's how i use all my 1337, but many people on here fail to see the irony... |
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| 07:27.55 | Phated | Guerin: How do you pronounce it? |
| 07:28.06 | Guerin | directhex: yeah, irony doesn't go well over irc unless you know people pretty well |
| 07:28.10 | Empty | If you've never played EQ, suffice to say that's a remarkable thing, like playing 2 pianos or something |
| 07:28.11 | Guerin | Phated: powned |
| 07:28.18 | Guerin | with a sort of shortish o |
| 07:28.29 | Phated | Guerin: Ah cool. |
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| 07:28.47 | Phated | More of a perwned? |
| 07:29.01 | Guerin | i'd record it if I could be arsed |
| 07:29.03 | Guerin | but I can't |
| 07:29.06 | Guerin | so I won't |
| 07:29.14 | Phated | Ah heck you can't spell this thing out any other way than pwn3d. |
| 07:29.20 | dondelelcaro | oh, everquest. I thought we were talking about equalizers... |
| 07:29.21 | directhex | i think it was saying it out loud that contributed to my housemate\'s further corruption of 'pw33ned' (pweened). then again, we also had 'pr00ne' rather than 'pr0n' |
| 07:29.26 | Empty | heh, I guess I still use CPAN to do searches to feed that dh thing right? |
| 07:29.29 | kerpal23_ | lol christmasbukkake |
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| 07:29.50 | rituraj | need some help |
| 07:29.52 | Empty | directhex, does pweening involve a meeror? |
| 07:29.55 | rituraj | i am new to debian |
| 07:30.01 | Phated | directhex: You don't have to escape your ', you know. :) |
| 07:30.09 | jm_ | heh looks like RC bugs count has gone down a bit over the weekend |
| 07:30.09 | Empty | kerpal23_, that might be eggnog |
| 07:30.10 | rituraj | iam running synaptic to upgrade my sarge |
| 07:30.10 | zignig | rituraj: ask your question then ...... :) |
| 07:30.28 | kerpal23_ | it looked like candle wax. |
| 07:30.38 | rituraj | i am running gnome ....and it says some 31 packages will be upgraded and 2 to be removed |
| 07:30.41 | Phated | Bad eggnog then. |
| 07:30.52 | rituraj | amongst removed are hnome-desktop-environ |
| 07:30.54 | Empty | dondelelcaro, my $EQ = "EverQuest" |
| 07:30.59 | kevix | jm_, there have been a few BSP's. |
| 07:30.59 | rituraj | now if i do that |
| 07:31.20 | rituraj | what will happen? my current desktop gnome environment will be killed? |
| 07:31.43 | Empty | phated, naughty eggnog? |
| 07:31.51 | rituraj | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 07:32.07 | Phated | Empty: No, bad, ie rotten, putried, etc. |
| 07:32.27 | Phated | putrid* |
| 07:32.47 | takatumi | rituraj: install xfce4 as well, just in case |
| 07:32.54 | Phated | Nah. |
| 07:33.03 | Empty | Phated, Damn, naughty eggnog sounds *hot* |
| 07:33.03 | Phated | XFCE4 is getting silly. |
| 07:33.10 | rituraj | there seems to be upgrade to gnome from 61 to 62.....but it synaptic says it will remove my current gnome while doing so |
| 07:33.22 | takatumi | Phated: haven't checked in a while, stuck with ion3 |
| 07:33.24 | rituraj | so what will happen? |
| 07:33.33 | jm_ | kevix: yup |
| 07:33.41 | Phated | takatumi: YEah stay there. The 4.2 did stupid things to the menu. |
| 07:33.48 | kerpal23_ | Guerin: these pics are hillarous. |
| 07:33.55 | rituraj | GUi session will get killed or the changes will be reflected next time i login |
| 07:34.01 | directhex | moff to work. direct all complaints to directhex|work |
| 07:34.03 | rituraj | ??? |
| 07:34.04 | sparc | does anyone here work with a beowulf cluster now and then? :) |
| 07:34.10 | sparc | i'm curious if there are issues backing up any of the nodes |
| 07:34.12 | kevix | rituraj, g-d-e is a meta-pacakge. do: apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment |
| 07:34.16 | sparc | <-- applying for something where that's important |
| 07:34.24 | takatumi | Phated: ah 4.2, yeah tried it, you need to tweak it a bit, I have screen shots of both at gpoppy.org |
| 07:34.28 | dedeb | ..... |
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| 07:34.47 | dedeb | already i'm see 800x600 :() |
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| 07:34.55 | Phated | takatumi: Well unless you have a nice way to get the menu back to the old one, I find myself not quite liking it. :) |
| 07:35.04 | rituraj | i c |
| 07:35.37 | rituraj | so being a metapackage means ....all related to that version(earlier set of packages will be remove)right? |
| 07:35.44 | rituraj | KEVIX |
| 07:35.49 | takatumi | Phated: spent a while getting Battery Monitor working, wait for the official deb I guess |
| 07:36.00 | hanasaki | thanks.. this looks like it does the trick |
| 07:36.02 | hanasaki | http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#mimetype-editor |
| 07:36.43 | takatumi | Phated: so what is the flavour of the month? flux |
| 07:36.43 | jjazz | Can anybody tell me the packages I need for a minimal kde install? My X server is up and xdm is running. apt-get install kde includes a lot of stuff I just don't need. |
| 07:36.55 | Phated | takatumi: Yeah flux it is for now. Besides, flux themes are easiest to get installed. |
| 07:37.01 | Empty | jjazz, kde-base |
| 07:37.04 | Phated | jjazz: kdebase or kde-base. One of those. |
| 07:37.10 | Phated | Ah the latter. |
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| 07:37.24 | kevix | rituraj, checkout : http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome |
| 07:37.26 | jjazz | much thanks |
| 07:37.28 | Empty | Phated, now that you said I don't know that the hyphen is there 100% |
| 07:37.32 | takatumi | Phated: yeah, I have flux set up nicely, but just own use it much |
| 07:38.08 | Empty | takatumi, I love flux |
| 07:38.08 | jjazz | it's kdebase |
| 07:38.08 | Phated | takatumi: Ah I see. I've checked out a few other WMs, but in the end it came down to flux. Again. :) |
| 07:38.30 | kevix | Phated, I use wmaker. |
| 07:38.48 | Phated | I think the comments I heard on it was "ugly". |
| 07:38.51 | sparc | i use MacOS X |
| 07:38.53 | sparc | it's lovely |
| 07:38.58 | Empty | phated, it's clean and useful and not much else :) My only issue is for some reason X won't run my .xsession |
| 07:39.02 | takatumi | cthulfuego: how many tunnels have you tresspassed, getting here? |
| 07:39.07 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/why_i_am_glad_i_dont_have_a_korean_bank_account.jpg |
| 07:39.24 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:39.24 | cthulfuego | takatumi: trespassed? None. Using? Two. |
| 07:39.24 | Guerin | got that yesterday at gangnam bus terminal in seoul ^^^ |
| 07:39.26 | helix | Empty: do you use a login manager? |
| 07:39.32 | Phated | Empty: *shrugs* I don't need it. Anyways as far as clean goes I've done enough to it to make it look good enough for me. |
| 07:39.34 | helix | Empty: like gdm, for example |
| 07:39.49 | zignig | helix: bleh! |
| 07:39.49 | Empty | helix Yes, GDM |
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| 07:40.01 | takatumi | s/ess/es/ |
| 07:40.09 | Phated | Well I'm off to deliver textbooks. |
| 07:40.10 | helix | Empty: I don't think that respects .xsession. disable it and 'startx' from command line |
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| 07:40.14 | helix | zignig: bleh to you |
| 07:40.27 | jm_ | Empty: or check if it has "Debian sessions" somewhere and use that |
| 07:40.30 | jm_ | session |
| 07:40.37 | jm_ | it does in Woody anyway |
| 07:40.56 | debian | cthulfuego: look for your kind neighbour |
| 07:41.04 | Empty | helix: cool, thanks... jm_ you too :) This is in sarge and I am just going to do the startx thing I think |
| 07:41.08 | zignig | cthulfuego: I've recently got sattelite , so i'm much faster now ;P |
| 07:41.09 | debian | cthulfuego: for their lovely free wifi bandwidth |
| 07:41.16 | helix | Empty: also, /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 07:41.25 | cthulfuego | HAHAH! No wonder it was lagging, the dialer was still dialing into Sao Paulo <heh> |
| 07:41.25 | helix | Empty: that will disable it permanently if you follow the right directions |
| 07:41.36 | jm_ | Empty: there's a post related to this on planet.debian.net (i.e. how to change it to use a different window manager) |
| 07:41.52 | jm_ | ahh but that's if you're using gnome, not sure if it applies to your situation |
| 07:42.03 | cthulfuego | debian: Yeah, just checking dialup access to the tunnel. Back on wifi now. |
| 07:42.26 | zu22 | they have wifi in Aussieland (j/k) ;) |
| 07:42.28 | cthulfuego | zignig: Faster then what? |
| 07:42.43 | zu22 | do the roos hop around with the wifi nodes? |
| 07:42.53 | cthulfuego | zu22: Well, we call it wifi but's ip-over-blowfly |
| 07:43.01 | kevix | zu22, that would be kool! |
| 07:43.01 | zu22 | cafuego: heh |
| 07:43.12 | Empty | bling: thanks Helix |
| 07:43.13 | zu22 | kevix: roo.net |
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| 07:43.29 | debian | zignig: is latency bad with satellite? |
| 07:43.30 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:43.30 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:43.39 | cthulfuego | zu22: the only roos within 100km of me are dead roo steaks at the market. |
| 07:43.43 | debian | Empty: nice balls |
| 07:43.44 | Guerin | mmm |
| 07:43.47 | Guerin | roo steaks |
| 07:44.01 | Guerin | debian: no, that's an asshat |
| 07:44.04 | Empty | debian: ever been to Tucson? |
| 07:44.08 | debian | Guerin: balls |
| 07:44.13 | Guerin | debian: asshat |
| 07:44.24 | debian | Guerin: come on, balls |
| 07:44.27 | cthulfuego | Guerin: nice beaver |
| 07:44.50 | Guerin | debian: honestly, you could have chosen better than "come on", asshat |
| 07:44.53 | debian | Empty: I've never left my room |
| 07:45.15 | debian | Guerin: surely you've balls to call me asshat |
| 07:45.32 | Guerin | debian: naturally. |
| 07:45.36 | Guerin | asshat. |
| 07:45.44 | Guerin | <3:) |
| 07:45.59 | debian | <3 |
| 07:46.02 | omoore | is there an equiv of rpmfind for debian? |
| 07:46.10 | Guerin | omoore: packages.debian.org |
| 07:46.23 | jm_ | omoore: /msg dpkg search ; read the FAQ |
| 07:46.27 | omoore | i'm trying to apt-get install transcode, but it relies on libavifile which is not showing up |
| 07:46.38 | jm_ | omoore: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 07:46.43 | Guerin | omoore: marillat has it, i think |
| 07:46.46 | Guerin | aye |
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| 07:48.05 | Empty | Man this sucks |
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| 07:48.25 | Empty | Trying to google the logo of a private club here, the Mountain Oyster Club |
| 07:48.34 | kevix | anyone want to see roo! http://photos.andrew.net.au/pebblybeach?page=2 |
| 07:48.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:48.41 | Empty | trouble is, its mostly old luddites, and they have a lot of art showings |
| 07:48.48 | Empty | so they are googlebombed |
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| 07:49.03 | kevix | omoore, apt-cache and apt-file |
| 07:49.32 | jm_ | heh they seem to know humans mean food |
| 07:49.33 | omoore | kevix, thx |
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| 07:50.14 | kevix | omoore, the marillat site has non-dfsg packages. |
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| 07:50.24 | takatumi | kevix: how old is he? |
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| 07:51.10 | kevix | takatumi, not my pix. just a debian developer's. |
| 07:51.17 | takatumi | kevix: ah |
| 07:51.24 | Guerin | thow another shreemp on the barbee |
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| 07:52.52 | zophyx | are sony vaio's any good ? |
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| 07:53.03 | Guerin | zophyx: like everything sony makes, they're toys |
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| 07:54.00 | zophyx | why do you curse your vaio ? |
| 07:54.00 | sharkie | hi all |
| 07:54.11 | kevix | zophyx, I agree with Guerin, there is support for vaio goodies though. |
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| 07:54.32 | dedeb | yeahhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:54.33 | dedeb | :) |
| 07:54.47 | dedeb | kevix, it's ok now ;) |
| 07:55.01 | sharkie | i installed a new hard drive, and now my computer says insert system disk... etc... cause it can't find the OS |
| 07:55.04 | sharkie | what should i do? |
| 07:55.05 | kevix | dedeb, what was the magic formula? |
| 07:55.15 | dedeb | xf86cfg |
| 07:55.22 | dedeb | changed monitor settings |
| 07:55.31 | jm_ | sharkie: you could send it to someone who has a use for it |
| 07:55.32 | Guerin | sharkie: put your old drive back in as the first boot device? |
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| 07:55.53 | kevix | sharkie, was it added on the same cable? did you set slave/master pins? |
| 07:55.59 | dedeb | edit XF86Config-4 but i didn't know where i will change.. xf86cfg did automaticly :) |
| 07:56.20 | kevix | dedeb, yea that is one standard X utiliy. |
| 07:56.23 | sharkie | Guerin: ok, but could i change the grub settings... so that it would know to look somewhere else? |
| 07:56.28 | dedeb | ;) |
| 07:56.59 | takatumi | sharkie: boot off a rescude cd or live disk, mount, chroot and edit |
| 07:57.09 | dedeb | i eat this linux :) it's very sweet :p |
| 07:57.59 | sharkie | takatumi: so it is a grub thing? that it won't load? |
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| 07:58.41 | kevix | sharkie, did it start the boot loader or did it say 'could'nt find OS' |
| 07:58.55 | sharkie | it said couldn't find os |
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| 07:59.05 | sharkie | well the it said insert system disk |
| 07:59.08 | sharkie | something... |
| 07:59.14 | Guerin | sharkie: sure, but you'll neet to tell your bios to boot from the disk with grub ON it |
| 07:59.18 | sharkie | and it was because i changed the boot order |
| 07:59.18 | kevix | sharkie, did you put it on the same IDE cable? (its ide?) |
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| 07:59.31 | Guerin | sharkie: yes. Change back. |
| 07:59.32 | airox | Are there any commands to change disk swap to the ram ? |
| 07:59.55 | jm_ | airox: ehh ? |
| 08:00.04 | dondelelcaro | airox: just swapoff |
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| 08:00.13 | airox | And afterwards swapon ? |
| 08:00.20 | dondelelcaro | airox: why would you even want to do that though? |
| 08:00.31 | airox | Because swap is slower then ram ? |
| 08:00.42 | jm_ | airox: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 08:00.43 | dondelelcaro | airox: you don't understand how swap works at all then. |
| 08:01.03 | hlp_me | hey, i compiled kernel 2.6.8 but i have a problme with X, it seems to freeze at Initializing hardware screen, is there a way i can determine what is wrong? |
| 08:01.28 | The_Vulture | hlp_me: check the logs.. |
| 08:01.47 | sharkie | Guerin: i finally got it to load grub |
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| 08:01.50 | hlp_me | The_Vulture i can't find anything usefull in the X log |
| 08:01.54 | sharkie | so is there a way to edit it now |
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| 08:02.00 | sharkie | and change it to always load this first |
| 08:02.03 | dondelelcaro | airox: assuming the kernel allocates RAM and uses swap intelligently, a system that is using swap will be faster than the equivalent system without swap. |
| 08:02.25 | airox | dondelelcaro: So i could make a ramdisk and let it be the swap ? |
| 08:02.31 | hemicuda | yep |
| 08:02.34 | dondelelcaro | airox: that totally defeats the purpose. |
| 08:02.37 | hlp_me | The_Vulture, and there are no EE messages |
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| 08:02.51 | hemicuda | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 08:02.58 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:02.58 | sharkie | ok it kernel paniced cause it couldn't find the root partition |
| 08:02.59 | dondelelcaro | hemicuda: then you might as well not even have swap. |
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| 08:03.28 | airox | You can have more than 1 swap can you ? |
| 08:03.37 | dondelelcaro | hemicuda: think about it. Why waste memory duplicating what is already in memory, and then waste even more caching what is in memory? |
| 08:03.40 | hemicuda | Swap and paging is a rather confusing topic |
| 08:03.54 | dondelelcaro | airox: yes, you can. |
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| 08:04.20 | dondelelcaro | airox: and it's typically better to have multiple swaps on different drives|controllers. |
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| 08:06.03 | dondelelcaro | swap is useful, becuase it frees up memory for more useful things, like caching the disk, or loading more programs. Your system will be faster, and can generally do more, than the equivalent system without swap. |
| 08:06.41 | hemicuda | but it still depends on the amount of RAM you have, doesn't it? |
| 08:06.48 | dondelelcaro | this all goes back to the addage, free ram is wasted ram and it's correllary, ram that isn't being used is wasted ram. |
| 08:06.54 | airox | Well what when the swap is 6% non-free and the ram is saying 66% non-free ? |
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| 08:07.11 | dondelelcaro | airox: paste the output of free into #flood |
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| 08:07.43 | dondelelcaro | hemicuda: everything depends on that... but even if you have acres of ram, you generally still want swap. |
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| 08:08.29 | dondelelcaro | airox: you've only got 30M in swap. I don't even know what you're talking about here. Probably the majority of that is cached anyway. |
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| 08:09.01 | dondelelcaro | airox: although, there's not much point to having as much swap as you do... probably 250M would be more than enough |
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| 08:09.25 | hlp_me | hey, i recomipled the kernel to verion 2.6.8 and i can't get the sound to work, i tried using ALSA , i have: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 08:09.29 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you're planning on sticking more memory in the machine or somethign) |
| 08:09.34 | airox | But why does it cache on the hd when my ram is free :/ |
| 08:09.41 | rich_ | I have seen over swapping but only in extreem cases, while trying to play very large files |
| 08:09.42 | allie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.17 | dondelelcaro | airox: if the pages aren't in use, it'll shoot them out to disk, so it can free up the memory if something more important needs it. |
| 08:10.38 | debian | airox: Because It Can(TM) |
| 08:10.41 | airox | :) |
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| 08:11.06 | airox | Oke. Thanks, i get it now. |
| 08:11.19 | jm_ | rich_: yeah, that's a bitch with 2.4 kernels |
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| 08:12.07 | dondelelcaro | I mean, this box regularly uses close to 500M of swap... and I'm using 1G of ram... the others use even more. |
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| 08:12.27 | rich_ | jm_ Yea, and since I was trying to watch a movie, whenever it tried to swap stuff out, it cut into my disk throughput, spoiling the movie.. |
| 08:12.43 | rich_ | jm_ but now that you mention it, that was 2.4 |
| 08:13.02 | hlp_me | hey, i recomipled the kernel to verion 2.6.8 and i can't get the sound to work, i tried using ALSA , i have: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01), also my touch pad settings stoped working..... like when i used to do horizontal and vertical scrolling. Any pointers? |
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| 08:16.58 | vir182 | i removed the apmd-package because i use acpi. wheni reboot i get following entry in the syslog: "ocalhost modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/kernel/". i checked the 2 directories /etc/modutils and /etc/modprobe.d for reference to the apm module. and the only entry i found was in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases with "alias char-major-10-134 apm". how can i fund out what is trying to load the apm module (which apparentl |
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| 08:17.17 | Myren | is there any way to sync/flush to disk? |
| 08:17.24 | hlp_me | okay, got alsa to work, nobody told that i had to install some more software :) |
| 08:17.31 | Myren | for a process, a user, something? |
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| 08:17.52 | resiak | hlp_me: Assuming that you have a synaptics touchpad, there is a kernel patch and an X driver, if I remember correctly. |
| 08:18.07 | hlp_me | resiak i had default 2.6.8-1 touch pad worked |
| 08:18.30 | hlp_me | resiak but i tried compiling my own kernel, the touch pad works, however i dont' get any scrolling |
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| 08:18.49 | resiak | hlp_me: Did you start from scratch, or did you copy a .config from /boot? |
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| 08:19.43 | hlp_me | resiak i got the old config, and modified it to suit my purpose. I think the actuall problem with X, cause it won't load untill i setted up: Option "Repeater" "/dev/ps2mouse" |
| 08:19.52 | hlp_me | in the touchpad config settings |
| 08:21.30 | hlp_me | it i install the software to configure the touch pad tpconfig, it reports: No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found |
| 08:21.35 | resiak | hlp_me: So you rebuilt the same kernel version, with a tweaked config, and didn't change any touchpad settings, and needed to reconfigure X? How odd... |
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| 08:21.48 | resiak | hlp_me: Did you use tpconfig before you rebuilt the kernel? |
| 08:22.07 | hlp_me | resiak, nope, i didn't needed. i tried isntalling it now, to test if that helps |
| 08:22.22 | hlp_me | resiak, but it didn't help |
| 08:23.07 | hlp_me | xfree86-driver-synaptics is already the newest version. |
| 08:23.14 | hlp_me | if that is what you where talking about |
| 08:23.52 | resiak | hlp_me: But if you haven't applied the synaptics kernel patches, that driver won't be helpful. In any case, it looks like you don't have a synaptics pad, if the old kernel worked without patching. |
| 08:24.10 | resiak | hlp_me: I presume that if you boot with the old one, all is fine? |
| 08:24.28 | hlp_me | resiak, i used the default packed kernel 2.6.8-1 and it worked |
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| 08:25.17 | hlp_me | and i did apply all the avialable patches that kame with kernel source for debian, via apt |
| 08:26.06 | resiak | hlp_me: You know, I'm out of ideas, sorry. I'm sure that someone will be here later who knows more than me... Good luck! |
| 08:26.31 | hlp_me | resiak, thanks :) and i DO have touchpad, casue, i'm on laptop :) and using it :) |
| 08:27.12 | resiak | hlp_me: For what it's worth, I never got around to making my scrolling work. What breed of laptop have you? |
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| 08:27.48 | hlp_me | resiak compaq presario 2715us if you want i can post on #flood my config for the touchpad in X |
| 08:29.03 | resiak | hlp_me: It's fine; I'm not really on the ball enough right now =) |
| 08:29.16 | hlp_me | but i doubt it will help for the regular mouse :) |
| 08:29.26 | hlp_me | resiak, no worries :) |
| 08:29.54 | resiak | hlp_me: I'm on a laptop also. |
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| 08:30.30 | hlp_me | hlp_me, well i got the scrolling to work and also the extra 4 way button |
| 08:30.49 | hlp_me | resiak you ever got the speacial keys to work? sound contorl, launching apps? |
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| 08:31.22 | hlp_me | yeah, also i noticed, double tap stoped working on the touchpad, too :/ |
| 08:31.28 | resiak | hlp_me: A few of them, but I haven't been too bothered about it, so. |
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| 08:32.33 | hlp_me | resiak, how did u manage? what type of keyborad did you speciy? because i dont' think mine is properly specified, thus, the copmuter doesn't recive the keypress |
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| 08:32.42 | takatumi | hlp_me: check the XF86Config-4 gpoppy.org, scroll, and multi tap works fine, mine is a presario as well |
| 08:33.01 | resiak | hlp_me: There is a daemon for toshiba laptops that deals with the vast majority of the keys. |
| 08:33.06 | takatumi | *at |
| 08:33.07 | mooded | hi all, anybody knows if theres a debian-pendant to modutils-devel package ? |
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| 08:33.22 | hlp_me | resiak lucky you :) |
| 08:33.35 | hlp_me | takatumi u using defualt kernel? or self compiled |
| 08:33.43 | hlp_me | takatumi cause it worked with defualt kernel |
| 08:33.48 | takatumi | hlp_me: self compiled |
| 08:34.02 | hlp_me | takatumi version? |
| 08:34.15 | takatumi | hlp_me: the kernel .config is there as well (2.6.9) |
| 08:34.29 | hlp_me | okay, i'm gonna look for it, i'm on 2.6.8 |
| 08:35.01 | hlp_me | takatumi i had the scroling, taping working, untill i compiled my own kernel :) |
| 08:35.14 | hlp_me | takatumi what presario you have? |
| 08:35.25 | takatumi | hlp_me: 2540ea |
| 08:36.29 | hlp_me | btw, how abotu the 'extra' keys on the keyboard, like volume control, they work for you? |
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| 08:38.43 | takatumi | hlp_me: haven't fiddled with it, but its all possible (xev IIRC) |
| 08:39.01 | jm_ | tools like hotkeys can do that (there are also others) |
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| 08:39.10 | hlp_me | jm_ thnx |
| 08:39.24 | hlp_me | takatumi thanks to you too, i'm gonna brb, restart X |
| 08:39.52 | dark_light | i want to resize my /, my filesystem is reiserfs, what should i do? i am trying to run a distro based on debian that runs from cd-rom (a live cd), but it seems to have no tools for resize a partition.. |
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| 08:40.52 | PerfDave | dark_light: Don't use reiserfs for your root partition ;) |
| 08:40.53 | airox | ]] total used free shared buffers cached |
| 08:40.53 | airox | Mem: 125772 105856 19916 0 4180 29780 |
| 08:40.53 | airox | -/+ buffers/cache: 71896 53876 |
| 08:40.53 | airox | Swap: 497972 30900 467072 |
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| 08:41.14 | PerfDave | dark_light: You have to find some bootable image which supports reiser and supports resizing reiser. |
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| 08:41.53 | hlp_me | well, that didn't quake work, takatumi, could you please repeat the url? |
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| 08:42.02 | dark_light | PerfDave well, why i should dont use reiser for my root partition/ |
| 08:42.14 | hlp_me | cause, i saved under mozilla bookmarks :D |
| 08:42.36 | PerfDave | dark_light: For one reason, because it's poorly supported by tools to resize and bootable images ;) |
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| 08:43.53 | jm_ | hlp_me: the other is called xhkeys |
| 08:44.01 | dark_light | PerfDave well, it will fit on a cd/ |
| 08:44.08 | dark_light | ops |
| 08:44.12 | dark_light | it will fit on a diskette/ |
| 08:44.18 | hlp_me | jm_, thnx |
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| 08:44.27 | PerfDave | dark_light: Probably, you just have to find one :) |
| 08:44.49 | dark_light | =\ |
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| 08:45.10 | dark_light | the parted cant resize reiserfs? |
| 08:45.27 | takatumi | hlp_me: gpoppy.org |
| 08:45.44 | hlp_me | takatumi heh, i just found it in mozilla profile :) |
| 08:45.46 | PerfDave | dark_light: I believe it can if it's compiled with reiserfs support. I don't know, I don't use reiserfs because I have heard bad things about its stability. |
| 08:46.06 | dark_light | what you use? ext3? |
| 08:46.30 | PerfDave | Yep, though I'm about to have a play with xfs for extended attribute support. |
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| 08:46.58 | takatumi | jm_: hotkeys just got my volume buttons going :) |
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| 08:47.27 | acetech | anyone know where the sound files are to xchat? |
| 08:47.29 | dark_light | well, i am going back to debian, live cds is too slow for me |
| 08:47.34 | dark_light | thanks, and bye \o |
| 08:47.44 | PerfDave | Bye |
| 08:47.53 | tdfg | Bye |
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| 08:48.29 | PerfDave | acetech: dpkg -L xchat ? |
| 08:49.05 | acetech | PerfDave: what will this do? |
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| 08:50.13 | hlp_me | hrm... seems like it can't find the touchpad |
| 08:50.16 | PerfDave | acetech: man dpkg |
| 08:50.26 | warren | the d-i ROCKS! |
| 08:50.48 | hlp_me | no synaptic event device found...... |
| 08:51.27 | jetscreamer | there's a module for that iirc, but i dunno which it is |
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| 08:54.35 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
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| 08:55.02 | catalyst | anyone still kept a old copy of libxine1 and libxine-dev_1-rc6* ? |
| 08:55.09 | catalyst | rc6 |
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| 08:55.52 | jm_ | catalyst: have you looked on s.d.n ? |
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| 08:56.19 | catalyst | jm_: sdn? |
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| 08:56.24 | jm_ | catalyst: /msg dpkg debian archive |
| 08:56.34 | hlp_me | takatumi hrm... still can't get it to work, X stats, however the touchpad doens't react |
| 08:56.41 | catalyst | jm_: oh! they don't have it. |
| 08:56.44 | hlp_me | and it takes forever to load the x |
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| 08:58.04 | dark_light | the #debian is so big =p i cant find the guy that i was talking because i dont remember his nick exactly ;_; |
| 08:58.07 | dark_light | =p |
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| 08:58.26 | takatumi | hlp_me: is the touchpad detected at all? what is the dev/mouse entry in XF86Config-4? |
| 08:58.44 | dondelelcaro | catalyst: how old do you need? |
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| 08:59.37 | dondelelcaro | catalyst: if it's older than sdn, you'll find it on an archives mirror |
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| 09:00.07 | hlp_me | takatumi it is /dev/psaux with the /dev/input/event1 it doesn't work, won't detect it at all |
| 09:00.24 | takatumi | hlp_me: CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=y CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX_ENABLE=y CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y check these |
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| 09:01.17 | takatumi | hlp_me: in the kernel .config |
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| 09:01.40 | hlp_me | takatumi, yes looks like i'm missing config_inputevdev |
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| 09:02.45 | hlp_me | okay, recompiling |
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| 09:04.15 | cyrix^ | hlp_me: remember hid.. |
| 09:04.27 | hlp_me | cyrix^, come again? |
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| 09:05.20 | cyrix^ | hlp_me: the module hid |
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| 09:05.48 | cyrix^ | hlp_me: or.. no never mind :P |
| 09:05.50 | hlp_me | cyrix^, in kernel config? what about it? should be enable? |
| 09:05.55 | hlp_me | :/ |
| 09:05.59 | hlp_me | :) |
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| 09:09.16 | hlp_me | okay, reboot :) |
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| 09:14.11 | Qo-noS | WQUERY |
| 09:14.47 | catalyst | dondelelcaro: no luck. |
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| 09:15.09 | hlp_me | heh, it worked |
| 09:15.14 | hlp_me | excetp i had to change protocol |
| 09:15.19 | hlp_me | takatumi, thanks a lot |
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| 09:16.10 | takatumi | hlp_me: have fun. |
| 09:16.20 | hlp_me | :) now gotta get the hotkeys to work :) |
| 09:16.56 | takatumi | hlp_me: install hotkeys and choose HP5181 |
| 09:17.32 | hlp_me | okay, logo pops up, then gone |
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| 09:18.23 | takatumi | hlp_me: hotkeys -t hp5181 |
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| 09:18.31 | sciboy | Why can't we implement these changes from linuxwacom into the stock kernels? The modules included in linuxwacom do the following jobs for Wacom tablet: mousedev.c ignores Wacom device as a HID device; usbmouse.c ignores Wacom device as a USB mouse; hid-core.c adds new Wacom devices into the support device list; evdev.c enables Wacom tablet after replugging the tablet. |
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| 09:19.13 | hlp_me | takatumi yep, logo, ofthe hotkeys came up, then gone, and nothing happening, if i try to setup the volume control, they key press is not recognized |
| 09:19.40 | takatumi | hlp_me: tough luck :) |
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| 09:20.01 | hlp_me | takatumi, i wonder what that supposed to mean :) |
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| 09:21.54 | dark_light | how can i verify if i have oss installed? |
| 09:22.12 | dark_light | and maybe verify its version |
| 09:22.51 | bob2 | you have it installed |
| 09:22.59 | bob2 | you may have a stupidly old kernel, tho |
| 09:23.06 | bob2 | depending on if you read the install guide or not |
| 09:23.13 | hlp_me | wierd, well, they keypress doens't seem to be generating neitehr acpi even, nor keycode |
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| 09:24.36 | florian | hwody |
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| 09:26.05 | Elessar_ | can anyone tell me whats the diff between the normal iso and the NONUS.iso |
| 09:26.10 | Elessar_ | <<<n00b |
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| 09:26.18 | tools-lt | Small question, is there any gui to setup stuff like network on debian? I maintain debian for a few family members, and I would like them to update some hardware details without learning vi. :) |
| 09:26.23 | jm_ | /msg dpkg nonus |
| 09:26.26 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: there's no such word as "n00b" |
| 09:26.31 | florian | is there something like "undeb" in analogy to "unzip" or "unrar"? |
| 09:26.33 | Elessar_ | ok |
| 09:26.36 | Elessar_ | <<<<newbie |
| 09:26.40 | jm_ | flora;yes |
| 09:26.43 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: try "I'm a new Debian user." |
| 09:26.47 | jm_ | florian: yes |
| 09:26.52 | Elessar_ | umm ok |
| 09:27.02 | Elessar_ | I'm a new Debian user. |
| 09:27.11 | Elessar_ | well a new linux user actually |
| 09:27.13 | Duke_Nuke | i've a vanilla 2.6.9 on sarge, when i install openswan it say that the ipsec.o module is not loaded, i can't find any voice about ipsec.o on the menuconfig, how can i enable it?? |
| 09:27.16 | tools-lt | I'm a coffe addic |
| 09:27.19 | bob2 | florian: "dpkg-deb". |
| 09:27.30 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: much better. you'll find your questions get answered more often is you use real English words :) |
| 09:27.34 | SlayerXP | if you use |
| 09:27.42 | bob2 | don't mind SlayerXP, he's english |
| 09:27.43 | Elessar_ | :P |
| 09:27.48 | Elessar_ | lol |
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| 09:28.04 | florian | jm_, bob2: thanx a lot |
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| 09:28.24 | Elessar_ | so wahts the difference between the iso and the NONUS.iso |
| 09:28.35 | bob2 | !+nonus |
| 09:28.35 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 09:28.43 | bob2 | bah |
| 09:28.50 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 09:28.52 | bob2 | nonus in sarge and sid does nothing |
| 09:29.26 | jm_ | yes, but he's clearly talking about Woody images |
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| 09:30.01 | Elessar_ | so basically that iso contains software thats illegal in u.s |
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| 09:30.48 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: "software that cannot be distributed from the USA" does not mean "illegal in the US" |
| 09:30.53 | directhex|work | Duke_Nuke, 2.6 kernels use .ko not .o for modules |
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| 09:31.10 | Duke_Nuke | directhex|work, ok, .ok, but there isn't any ipsec.ko |
| 09:31.35 | Elessar_ | well if it cant be distributed it means that its illegal..no? |
| 09:31.44 | resiak | Elessar_: No, it just means it can't be exported. |
| 09:31.48 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: no, not at all. |
| 09:31.50 | directhex|work | it means it's covered by export restrictions |
| 09:31.59 | Elessar_ | o |
| 09:32.09 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: it's perfectly legal to distribute it within the US, for example. |
| 09:32.22 | Elessar_ | ah i see |
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| 09:32.35 | Elessar_ | ok which one should i get |
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| 09:34.15 | SlayerXP | Elessar_: to be honest, neither. you're better off grabbing a net install image, that way you'll just download the packages you actually want. |
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| 09:34.46 | Elessar_ | o ok |
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| 09:35.14 | Elessar_ | does that mean that i have to custom select the drivers too... |
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| 09:37.23 | directhex|work | Elessar_, just get the sarge net install cd, it'll do everything for you. even wash your car and make you coffee |
| 09:37.50 | Guerin | it doesn't go to the shop for beer though |
| 09:37.51 | resiak | directhex|work: ...but what if Elessar_ prefers tea? |
| 09:37.54 | Guerin | more's the pity |
| 09:38.19 | Guerin | resiak: then he just has to type linuxtea at the boot prompt, duh |
| 09:38.27 | resiak | Sid shops for beer... but occasionally drinks it rather than bringing it back to its owner. |
| 09:38.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:38.37 | Elessar_ | lol ok ill stop asking questions....jsut the last time i tried installing debian my windows install went to hell and i had to format both my drives |
| 09:38.43 | Guerin | i had a friend like that once |
| 09:38.56 | Guerin | Elessar_: where's the downside? |
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| 09:39.15 | Elessar_ | the downside to what |
| 09:39.18 | resiak | directhex|work: You win. |
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| 09:39.46 | Guerin | no wait, that was yesterday |
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| 09:41.23 | dedeb | hi |
| 09:41.33 | dedeb | i bought a new ethernet card for simple network :P |
| 09:41.59 | dedeb | how will i configure other ethernet for my home network ? |
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| 09:42.56 | SlayerXP | dedeb: open your computer, insert network card into suitable slot, close computer |
| 09:43.05 | Guerin | dedeb: then read man interfaces |
| 09:43.08 | SlayerXP | some people suggest powering off your computer whilst performing this operation |
| 09:43.53 | directhex|work | SlayerXP, lamers! |
| 09:44.34 | dedeb | Guerin, thanks |
| 09:44.44 | scarynetworkguy | running a cable or two is almost always a good idea. |
| 09:44.45 | SlayerXP | dedeb: oh, and do remove the static wrap |
| 09:45.30 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:50.58 | gijs | morning all. |
| 09:51.05 | tdfg | hola |
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| 09:51.30 | hlp_me | grrrr... can't get the keys to work |
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| 09:52.21 | tdfg | you've been here for a bit hlp_me ;) |
| 09:52.45 | scarynetworkguy | !tell tdfg about ask |
| 09:53.09 | mariano | anyone familiar with debian's libc can tell me something about this crash <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154442> ? |
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| 09:53.54 | hlp_me | tdfg, i wonder what that supposed to mean :) |
| 09:53.58 | dondelelcaro | mariano: that looks like a corrupt stack |
| 09:54.15 | mariano | it seems it is quite systematic, though |
| 09:54.22 | tdfg | you should be closer to your goal tho |
| 09:54.44 | dondelelcaro | mariano: rebuild gnome-terminal with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" CFLAGS="-O0 -g" CXXFLAGS="-O0 -g" |
| 09:54.59 | dondelelcaro | mariano: then get another coredump and run gdb on it. |
| 09:55.18 | mariano | dondelelcaro: I am not a debian user: I'm the terminal maintainer, and I'd love to be able to do something out of that bug... :( |
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| 09:56.01 | dondelelcaro | mariano: oh... well, it'll be next to impossible to figure it out without a better backtrace. |
| 09:56.27 | mariano | dondelelcaro: closing it NOTGNOME is usually not very appreciated by users... |
| 09:56.45 | mariano | thanks, though |
| 09:56.45 | Guerin | mariano: did the reporter file a similar bug in the debian BTS? |
| 09:56.47 | dondelelcaro | mariano: yeah, ask the user to rebuild the package with debugging support. |
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| 09:57.20 | mariano | Guerin: I can ask; I am quite unsuccessful using the bTS to find stuff ;-) |
| 09:57.36 | dondelelcaro | mariano: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-terminal |
| 09:58.00 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 277779 |
| 09:58.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:58.04 | dpkg | #277779:I[gnome-terminal] gnome-terminal: Crash on mouse move |
| 09:58.16 | dondelelcaro | mariano: it's bugs.debian.org/277779 |
| 09:58.21 | gijs | Eh.. I am trying to find out how to change a users lastname? |
| 09:58.33 | dedeb | hmm |
| 09:58.33 | Guerin | gijs: usermod? |
| 09:58.39 | dondelelcaro | gijs: use chfn |
| 09:58.40 | MobyTurbo | gijs: vipw |
| 09:58.44 | SlayerXP | gijs: you can get it changed via Deed Poll |
| 09:58.44 | Guerin | i'm having terminal issues as well |
| 09:58.48 | dedeb | how will i share my internet connection to windows or linux machines ? |
| 09:58.56 | Guerin | latest urxvt is WAY slower than it used to be |
| 09:59.00 | PerfDave | dedeb: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 09:59.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, tell me about it. I just stopped using it. |
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| 09:59.40 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, actually, X has hung on me a couple times in the past few days as well |
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| 09:59.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. these are of the migrating flashing sort on the right hand side... |
| 10:00.01 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, yet another package to hols |
| 10:00.02 | Guerin | d |
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| 10:00.18 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I think it's part of the fact that I'm running the debugging X server now since I was getting it to core regularly. |
| 10:00.21 | dedeb | PerfDave, after it ? |
| 10:00.44 | Guerin | hrm, well, I'm just running the plain one in sid |
| 10:01.13 | dondelelcaro | mariano: anyway, Arnaud Patard <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org> can help you out quite a bit... best bet is to ask him to make a debugging gnome-terminal package and have the user install it and see if they can get the thing to dump core. |
| 10:01.21 | dondelelcaro | mariano: that should give you enough information to debug it. |
| 10:01.34 | gijs | dondelelcaro thx |
| 10:01.41 | dondelelcaro | mariano: if you have a problem getting that to happen, I can build one for you as well. |
| 10:01.48 | mariano | dondelelcaro: ok. No one else seems to be seeing that |
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| 10:02.29 | dondelelcaro | mariano: yeah... could just be that the user has something corrupted or something... the stack trace definetly was suspicious... that sort of thing usually only happens when the stack gets scmerkinized. |
| 10:03.09 | Guerin | !dict scmerkinized |
| 10:03.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for scmerkinized |
| 10:04.24 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's wierd onomatopoeia |
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| 10:05.01 | MobyTurbo | !dict onomatopoeia |
| 10:05.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'onomatopoeia' (2 shown): Onomatopoeia \On`o*mat`o*p[oe]"ia\, n. [L., fr. Gr. ?; ?, ?, a name + ? to make.] (Philol.) The formation of words in imitation of sounds; a figure of speech in which the sound of a word is imitative of the sound of the thing which the word represents; as, the buzz of bees; the hiss of a goose; the crackle of fire. ;; using words that imitate the sound they denote. |
| 10:05.27 | MobyTurbo | good dictionary |
| 10:05.27 | bob2 | yeah, onomatepoeia is the sound I make when I make up a word that sounds like the thing it's describing |
| 10:05.47 | dark_light | how can i verify if i have oss installed, using a console command? and maybe verify its version |
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| 10:06.04 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, it sure SOUNDS right. |
| 10:06.10 | MobyTurbo | dark_light: lsmod, assuming it's modules. |
| 10:06.26 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I don't know where I got that word from. Odds are I'm not even spelling it right. |
| 10:06.31 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:06.45 | Sandman | Is it possible to build non-free software using GPL'd software? Or, is it possible to make non-free software using non-free run-time libs? |
| 10:06.47 | dark_light | MobyTurbo what the name of the module of oss? |
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| 10:06.51 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: yes, it is. |
| 10:06.52 | Sandman | err |
| 10:06.54 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:06.54 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 10:06.57 | Sandman | non-free soft using free libs |
| 10:07.11 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: but it's generally not legal to distribute non-free software linked to GPLed libs. |
| 10:07.12 | Guerin | Sandman: depends on the license. |
| 10:07.21 | directhex|work | dark_light, look for 'soundcore'. anything that's not 'snd' listed there is OSS |
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| 10:07.41 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: say it's a license that allows members of an organization to have access to the source code, but nobody else. |
| 10:07.51 | Sandman | Guerin: That statements goes to you too, sorry. |
| 10:07.56 | helix | so dondelelcaro spelled onomatopoeia right but not 'weird'? |
| 10:08.04 | dark_light | directhex|work lsmod | grep soundcore ? |
| 10:08.11 | dondelelcaro | helix: I didn't spell it right to start with... I had to look it up |
| 10:08.33 | Guerin | Sandman: if we're talking gpl, then the source has to be aailable to anyone you distribute a binary to. |
| 10:08.42 | Guerin | to whom you distribute a binary, I mean |
| 10:08.43 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: you can't distribute it if the license is not GPL compatible. |
| 10:08.59 | dark_light | directhex|work well, "soundcore 9824 1 snd" is alsa? |
| 10:09.06 | hlp_me | anybody got compaq presario 2715us hotkeys keyboard to work? |
| 10:09.10 | Guerin | yup, old rxvt-unicode is much faster |
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| 10:09.27 | Guerin | two important packages on hold now, this isn't making me happy |
| 10:09.27 | haugha | is it normal to get the msg: Store logging disabled from squid? |
| 10:09.29 | helix | yay urxvt |
| 10:09.39 | haugha | I have some problems with squid.. |
| 10:09.42 | directhex|work | dark_light, yes |
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| 10:09.49 | Guerin | helix: you finding the one in sid slow as a dog? |
| 10:09.49 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: Okay, I'll research GPL compatibility, then. This is my intention: To have somewhat-free software depend on run-time GPL libs. I wanted to create a liveCD using Debian to accomodate this. |
| 10:09.54 | SlayerXP | haugha: then ask your clear and concise questions. |
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| 10:09.58 | directhex|work | dark_light, but alsa won't work without the userland stuff (alsa-base, alsa-utils) |
| 10:10.01 | helix | Guerin: since when? |
| 10:10.19 | mariano | Sandman: you cannot distribute non free software which uses GPLed software |
| 10:10.26 | dondelelcaro | wierd just seems more weird. |
| 10:10.29 | dark_light | directhex|work is there any package that installs oss? |
| 10:10.35 | Guerin | helix: since a dist-upgrade a few days ago ; I just downgrqaded to the version in sarge, and it's snappy as hell again |
| 10:10.40 | Sandman | mariano: I see. So if it uses the software, it is considered a derivative work. |
| 10:10.43 | mariano | Sandman: you canwrite it for your own private use, though |
| 10:10.45 | dark_light | like the packages that installs alsa, alsa-base and etc |
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| 10:10.57 | helix | Guerin: hm, haven't had any problems |
| 10:11.11 | Guerin | Sandman: you NEED to read the liccenses. This is not a trivial topic that we can give you watertight advice about on irc. |
| 10:11.15 | MobyTurbo | dark_light: oss is part of all pre 2.6 kernels. |
| 10:11.21 | mariano | Sandman: that's why (essentially) there is a LGPL |
| 10:11.22 | Sandman | Guerin: Will do, thank you. |
| 10:11.22 | Guerin | helix: I bet you're not running it on a p2-233 though |
| 10:11.25 | resiak | Sandman: It's only a derivative work if it _links_ to GPLed software. But yes, read the GPL |
| 10:11.25 | mariano | Sandman: read the licenses |
| 10:11.29 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: that's basically the question. If it's a derivative work of the GPLed work, you need to distribute it under the terms of the GPL... |
| 10:11.33 | helix | Guerin: point :) |
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| 10:11.34 | directhex|work | dark_light, no. oss is kernel level. with debian kernel images, all sound modules are provided. on 2.4, that's oss. on 2.6, that's both, with oss being loaded unless you have alsa-base, hotplug & discover (in which case alsa loads) |
| 10:11.37 | Sandman | mariano: _links_, meaning during compile-time? |
| 10:11.40 | MobyTurbo | dark_light: well, maybe not all of them. I don't remember seeing oss in kernel 0.95. :-) |
| 10:11.42 | dark_light | MobyTurbo i am using kernel 2.6 and i am having problems with alsa |
| 10:11.49 | dondelelcaro | (or under terms compatible with those of the GPL) |
| 10:11.49 | mariano | Sandman: this is explained in the license... |
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| 10:11.53 | Sandman | mariano: Right |
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| 10:12.25 | dark_light | how can i disable (not uninstall, simply disable) the alsa and enable the oss? |
| 10:12.29 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: linking is one of the ways that it can be a derivative work... but the whole question of what is or isn't a derivative work is rather nebulous, and basically lawyer bait. |
| 10:12.31 | Guerin | Sandman: gnu.org has an utterly comprehensive section on free software licensing. |
| 10:12.51 | Guerin | understandably, since that's why gnu.org exists. |
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| 10:13.03 | MobyTurbo | !works in 2.4 |
| 10:13.04 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 10:13.31 | dark_light | aahhahahahahha |
| 10:13.34 | voldy | can a music cd not be copied with dd ? |
| 10:13.40 | directhex|work | dark_light, apt-get remove alsa-base |
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| 10:13.51 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20041127.034227.972cbc2b.en.html |
| 10:13.55 | hlp_me | how can i use mplayer to play music video using ALSA? |
| 10:13.59 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: if you're interested for some reason... |
| 10:14.00 | dark_light | directhex|work so the oss will be enabled automatically? |
| 10:14.00 | bbrazil | voldy: define copy |
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| 10:14.08 | MobyTurbo | voldy: it can be ripped with dd, yes. |
| 10:14.13 | dondelelcaro | hlp_me: mplayer -ao alsa |
| 10:14.20 | directhex|work | dark_light, after a reboot, yes. or you can work out which modules to load/unload |
| 10:14.44 | directhex|work | hlp_me, install libsdl1.2debian-alsa, then -ao sdl:alsa flag on mplayer |
| 10:14.51 | dark_light | directhex|work thanks, i will try it |
| 10:15.03 | hlp_me | |
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| 10:15.20 | voldy | bbrazil, MobyTurbo: i just want to duplicate a music cd... when i tried dd, i got "dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error / 0+0 records in / 0+0 records out / 0 bytes transferred in 0.017323 seconds (0 bytes/sec)" |
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| 10:15.28 | dark_light | bbrazil hello, i am from brazil (too?) =p |
| 10:15.41 | Malice | Hello... I Am A Newb.. And Have A Small Problem.. My Sarge Box Locked Up.. I Rebooted It.. Now FTP Doesnt Work.. SSH Does Work.. How Do I Fix It? |
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| 10:15.49 | hlp_me | if i try mplayer -ao alsa i get : Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 10:15.50 | voldy | bbrazil, MobyTurbo: I was planning on doing dd and then using cdrecord to burn the image |
| 10:16.10 | directhex|work | dark_light, also, if you've used alsaconf, delete unused info in /etc/modules |
| 10:16.12 | voldy | hlp_me: is esd running? |
| 10:16.16 | MobyTurbo | Malice: maybe your shift key is wearing out. |
| 10:16.17 | tdfg | Malice, do you want ssh not to work or ftp to work ? |
| 10:16.39 | hlp_me | voldy esd? |
| 10:16.42 | Malice | Ftp To Work. They Both Worked Before It Locked Up., |
| 10:17.01 | dark_light | directhex|work what files i should delete? and i have to delete it for the oss works? |
| 10:17.02 | SlayerXP | Malice: Type Properly. |
| 10:17.10 | Malice | sorry |
| 10:17.23 | voldy | hlp_me: i had a similar problem to that until i figured out that esd was running, screwing up my sound. will it play with -ao esd ? |
| 10:17.33 | SlayerXP | Malice: which ftpd? and what does the log file say when you try to start it? |
| 10:17.46 | Guerin | sounds to me like network is fux0red |
| 10:17.51 | hlp_me | voldy nope, it is not playing with esd output |
| 10:17.53 | Malice | how do i find out? |
| 10:18.02 | voldy | hlp_me: then you got me :) |
| 10:18.03 | Guerin | Malice: ping working? |
| 10:18.03 | directhex|work | !esd |
| 10:18.03 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 10:18.04 | SlayerXP | Malice: how do you find what out? |
| 10:18.15 | Malice | yes ping works and the site works that its running |
| 10:18.22 | hlp_me | directhex|work thnx :) |
| 10:18.23 | Malice | everyting seems to work but ftp |
| 10:18.25 | Guerin | Malice: so apache works? |
| 10:18.27 | Malice | yes |
| 10:18.28 | directhex|work | dark_light, alsa modules start with 'snd-'. in /etc/modules, you delete all smd-* lines |
| 10:18.38 | directhex|work | hlp_me, sound daemons are the devil itself |
| 10:18.42 | SlayerXP | Malice: what does the log file say when you start the ftpd? |
| 10:19.00 | dark_light | directhex|work but, i have to delete it for oss works? |
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| 10:19.18 | hlp_me | directhex|work, do you think i need to recompile the mplayer? |
| 10:19.32 | directhex|work | dark_light, i have _NO_ fucking idea. i don't have your PC to hand, here. i've told you what you need to know |
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| 10:19.39 | voldy | can anybody help me duplicate this music cd please? |
| 10:19.40 | Malice | i dont know what ftpd is but when i try to connect with cuteftp it tells me connecting then cant connect i dont know where to view a log file |
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| 10:19.54 | dark_light | directhex|work well, sorry o.o |
| 10:19.55 | Guerin | voldy: apt-get install cdparanoia |
| 10:20.06 | SlayerXP | Malice: looks in /var/log |
| 10:20.06 | directhex|work | hlp_me, fucked if i know, it's YOUR compile, you're supposed to know what you did. the rest of us use marillat prebuilt debian packages (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 10:20.07 | streuner | voldy: man cdrdao |
| 10:20.09 | SlayerXP | look in |
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| 10:20.38 | Malice | i see nothing there that has ftp in it |
| 10:20.40 | dark_light | (i have to add some line on /etc/modules to load the oss in boot time?) |
| 10:20.49 | SlayerXP | Malice: do you have a FTP server installed? |
| 10:20.52 | hlp_me | directhex|work :) well, okay, when i fetch teh cvs copy of mplayer. and run configure, it doens't find that i have ALSA |
| 10:20.55 | hlp_me | directhex|work Checking for ALSA audio ... no |
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| 10:21.03 | hlp_me | directhex|work, so... i'm little lost :) |
| 10:21.09 | Guerin | jesusfuckinghchrist |
| 10:21.10 | directhex|work | dark_light, if you don't use hotplug or discover, yes you do. |
| 10:21.11 | Malice | it was |
| 10:21.15 | Guerin | just use marillat's packages |
| 10:21.27 | directhex|work | hlp_me, your problem. ask #mplayer, or stop fucking about with hand-compilation |
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| 10:21.34 | Malice | unless the lockup took it out |
| 10:21.37 | hlp_me | directhex|work aight, thnx :) |
| 10:21.38 | resiak | hlp_me: You don't have the ALSA dev packages installed. But do as Guerin says :) |
| 10:21.51 | michaelh | hi! i have a tif image with 3 samples/pixel; does anybody know how to get the R, G and B value of each pixel? |
| 10:21.54 | dark_light | i use hotplug. you know what modules i have to put on /etc/modules ? |
| 10:21.59 | Guerin | Malice: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |grep ftpd |
| 10:22.00 | hlp_me | resiak so, should i install it? :) |
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| 10:22.42 | Sandman | Does anyone remember bnetd, and the events surrounding its demise? |
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| 10:23.00 | Malice | okay |
| 10:23.01 | resiak | hlp_me: You could install appropriate -dev packages, if you prefer pain to Marillat. |
| 10:23.16 | Malice | ii proftpd 1.2.9-9 Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
| 10:23.18 | hlp_me | resiak, i'm quite a newbie :) |
| 10:23.18 | directhex|work | dark_light, hotplug deprecates /etc/modules |
| 10:23.36 | Malice | is what it put after i typed that |
| 10:23.48 | SlayerXP | Malice: '/etc/init.d/proftpd restart' then take a look at /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 10:23.53 | voldy | streuner: thanks... sounds like "cdrdao copy --device /dev/hdc" will do it |
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| 10:24.26 | mrverbose | does somebody know a demon that is capable of using the cpufreq and throtteling? |
| 10:24.27 | rituraj | anyone from PUNE - INDIA? |
| 10:24.29 | sfrank | hi all |
| 10:24.30 | streuner | voldy: --device 0,0,0 , use cdrecord -scanbus to find out what you need for the scsi-stuff |
| 10:24.37 | resiak | hlp_me: All the more reason to use Marillat. |
| 10:24.38 | Malice | .. - Fatal: LsDefaultOptions: deprecated. Use ListOptions instead |
| 10:24.43 | Malice | is what it read when i typed that |
| 10:24.57 | SlayerXP | Malice: right, you upgraded proftpd but didn't bother to read the upgrade notes. |
| 10:25.00 | dark_light | directhex|work what is hotplug? i think that it's a usb driver. it's like the "plug and play" of windows? |
| 10:25.10 | SlayerXP | Malice: correct the config file, then restart. |
| 10:25.11 | sfrank | is someone here doing chinese input on sarge? i'm kind of stuck |
| 10:25.14 | Guerin | Malice: so follow the goddamn instructions it gives you |
| 10:25.25 | hlp_me | resiak, come again? |
| 10:25.26 | Malice | i didnt upgrade anything.. |
| 10:25.26 | mooded | anybody occasionally has experience with wu-ftpd and knows how one can map users onto classes ? |
| 10:25.39 | directhex|work | dark_light, it's one of the two subsystems in sarge by default which handles modules automatically. that includes loading modules when things are hotplugged, but isn't limited to it |
| 10:25.44 | SlayerXP | Malice: yes you did, otherwise it would never have worked in the first place. |
| 10:25.47 | resiak | !tell hlp_me about mplayer |
| 10:25.50 | Guerin | Malice: apt-get install proftpd-doc ; lynx /usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc/Configuration.html |
| 10:25.54 | voldy | streuner: /dev/hdc works for me... -scanbus doesn't detect my drive, i dunno why, has something to do with ATAPI or something but the best way seems to be to use /dev/hdc |
| 10:26.04 | dark_light | directhex|work ok, so hotplug will load the oss? |
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| 10:27.20 | one_2_one | hy |
| 10:27.21 | streuner___ | ok |
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| 10:27.33 | one_2_one | where i can find unrar for ppc _ |
| 10:27.35 | one_2_one | ? |
| 10:27.50 | xerophyte | could somebody tell me why this is not working sed 's/#Port[[:space:]]{1,}5334/Port[[:space:]]{1,}5334/' /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep 5334 .. thats not working |
| 10:27.56 | jm_ | unrar is packaged for ppc, at least in Sarge |
| 10:27.59 | Guerin | one_2_one: might be in non-free |
| 10:28.02 | streuner___ | voldy: it would be the module 'sg', but if that command works for you, nm. |
| 10:28.19 | resiak | Why is it that someone comes in asking about unrar just about every day... |
| 10:28.28 | jm_ | actually that's a lie, it's in unstable only |
| 10:28.29 | one_2_one | thks |
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| 10:28.35 | Guerin | resiak: because everyone still needz teh w4r3z |
| 10:28.36 | one_2_one | i will check that |
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| 10:28.52 | jm_ | xerophyte: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 10:29.05 | MobyTurbo | resiak: because they don't realize that bzip2'd tarballs are better. :-) |
| 10:29.30 | resiak | Guerin, MobyTurbo: heh. |
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| 10:29.41 | resiak | !tell hlp_me about msg |
| 10:30.16 | dark_light | directhex|work thanks for the help \o |
| 10:30.19 | resiak | hlp_me: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:30.21 | dark_light | !tell dark_light about msg |
| 10:30.25 | hlp_me | resiak 3.1 |
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| 10:30.45 | resiak | hlp_me: That's Sarge. |
| 10:30.52 | Phated | Or sid. |
| 10:30.53 | Phated | :) |
| 10:31.02 | resiak | Phated: I sincerely hope not... |
| 10:31.11 | hlp_me | how do i check? :) |
| 10:31.12 | resiak | hlp_me: As the lady says, could be Sid. |
| 10:31.14 | cratuki | I don't have any floppies, or a debian cd.. what's the easiest way for me to get a debian install up and working undervmware? :) |
| 10:31.17 | Phated | resiak: Me too. |
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| 10:31.32 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 10:31.32 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 10:31.34 | resiak | hlp_me: Did you change your sources.list to use unstable? |
| 10:31.35 | cratuki | Is there a tiny distribution I can use? Alternatively, I do have recent fedora distros here. |
| 10:31.37 | Guerin | cratuki: #vmware |
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| 10:31.53 | bobthebuilder | hello |
| 10:31.54 | directhex|work | cratuki, vmware will take .iso files and use them... |
| 10:32.05 | bobthebuilder | is it possible to install debian via chroot? |
| 10:32.09 | Guerin | cratuki: ok, if you have an existing *n?x environment you can use debootstrap |
| 10:32.11 | cratuki | dpkg: no punchcard reader either. |
| 10:32.11 | dpkg | cratuki: no idea |
| 10:32.11 | Phated | resiak: "say no, say no, please please please say no..." :) |
| 10:32.14 | jm_ | bobthebuilder: read install guide |
| 10:32.25 | cratuki | guerin: thanks - I'll check that out |
| 10:32.29 | hlp_me | resiak for the exception of 2 custom packages that i needed, not |
| 10:32.32 | Guerin | !tell cratuki about chroot install |
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| 10:34.07 | jm_ | xerophyte: well ? |
| 10:34.15 | resiak | !tell hlp_me about msg |
| 10:34.29 | hlp_me | resiak ups, sorry, wrong person! |
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| 10:35.04 | resiak | hlp_me: In general, don't /msg people unless you know you can. I presume that was aimed at someone in #mplayer. |
| 10:35.18 | sfrank | chinese input anyone? |
| 10:35.38 | jm_ | sfrank: apt-cache search chinese input |
| 10:35.46 | hlp_me | resiak, yes it was :) sorry about that |
| 10:35.49 | Guerin | sfrank: no thanks, I'm fine with english. |
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| 10:36.11 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:36.12 | sfrank | Guerin: :D |
| 10:36.12 | resiak | hlp_me: I mean in general, keep stuff on-channel, in any channel. |
| 10:36.24 | Guerin | Where's Slayer98 ? |
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| 10:36.36 | jm_ | Guerin: he stopped using that nick a while ago ;) |
| 10:36.39 | Phated | Dunno. SlayerCE is around though. You think? |
| 10:36.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:36.45 | dark_light | directhex|work it works!!=) |
| 10:36.45 | sfrank | jm_: there are several ways, but dunno which is the best choice, and actually could not get any of them working |
| 10:36.51 | Zimpee | somebody help me pls, sarge can't surf the net, i can't install the system. ppp0 is up, i got ip adress from the server, i see the server's adress, the DNS servers adresses. but i can't download the packages. if i ping an ip, it says: Destination host unrechable. if it says something, sometimes not. What can i do? is there a howto to do this? |
| 10:37.08 | jm_ | sfrank: I never tried chinese, just japanese, but it should be very similar |
| 10:37.10 | hlp_me | oh. another thing, looks like my ACPI for bettery and power on laptop doesn't work.... :/ |
| 10:37.11 | Phated | Ah hello SlayerCE. |
| 10:37.17 | sfrank | Zimpee: my friend encountered the same shit. |
| 10:37.25 | sfrank | Zimpee: no default route i guess |
| 10:37.29 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 10:37.35 | jm_ | Zimpee: do you have default gateway set on ppp0 ? |
| 10:37.35 | sfrank | Zimpee: could you please chech if you have default route? |
| 10:37.52 | Zimpee | how to check it sfrank ? sorry, cos i'm lame |
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| 10:38.01 | Guerin | man interfaces; or do route add default gw <ip.add.re.ss> |
| 10:38.11 | sfrank | jm_: what were the steps... locales + fonts + apps that can do the input? right? |
| 10:38.26 | sfrank | Zimpee: route |
| 10:38.42 | sfrank | Zimpee: should give you a line saying default |
| 10:39.17 | jm_ | sfrank: locales + fonts, and one of the input methods, here's what I do : export LANG="ja_JP" ; export XMODIFIERS="@im=kinput2" ; kinput2-canna & ; krxvt -km eucj -im canna |
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| 10:40.15 | Zimpee | 2 lines sfrank : Kernel IP route and headers, but there is no text default |
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| 10:40.42 | sfrank | jm_: i give it a go, and see what happens |
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| 10:40.59 | sfrank | jm_: found a package called chinput... hope that's my friend |
| 10:41.25 | Guerin | Zimpee: do what I said |
| 10:41.28 | jm_ | sfrank: there are several, so you choose the one that you like the most |
| 10:42.32 | sfrank | jm_: why i was asking is, i wanted to avoid picking a way povided by a project, that's site had 8 hits since formed in 2002 :D |
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| 10:42.52 | Zimpee | Guerin:do route add default gw <ip.add.re.ss>: ip-adres of what? |
| 10:42.54 | sfrank | jm_: i saw one like that :D |
| 10:43.13 | sfrank | Zimpee: ip address of the other peer |
| 10:43.19 | sfrank | Zimpee: do ifconfig |
| 10:43.25 | Guerin | Zimpee: of your gateway machine or interface |
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| 10:43.28 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:43.28 | Zimpee | the isp's server? |
| 10:43.34 | danielao | hi. there's someone who installed gcc-4.0 from experimental? |
| 10:43.35 | sfrank | Zimpee: there you see the ip of your p-t-p partner |
| 10:43.44 | sfrank | Zimpee: that is the one you need |
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| 10:43.59 | jm_ | Zimpee: don't do that, pppd will do it for you when configured properly, and make sure there's none on eth0 |
| 10:44.32 | danielao | what happen replacing libgcc1 3.4 with 4.0? |
| 10:44.33 | Zimpee | just a second |
| 10:44.38 | MobyTurbo | !someone |
| 10:44.38 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:44.40 | sfrank | jm_: but it didn't do, as the ppp0 interface is already up, and didn't bother to set the right default route |
| 10:45.00 | Guerin | danielao: apparently, you. |
| 10:45.15 | jm_ | sfrank: I said "when configured proeprly" |
| 10:45.27 | danielao | Guerin: me? |
| 10:45.34 | sfrank | jm_: you're right :D |
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| 10:45.42 | Guerin | danielao: well, you appaear to have done it. |
| 10:45.53 | Speedy2 | I'm logged in as one user, trying to get to another log-in prompt, what's the command sequence? |
| 10:45.58 | Speedy2 | ctrl-alt-f6? |
| 10:45.59 | Zimpee | i did route add |
| 10:46.05 | sfrank | jm_: but how can you misconfigure it using pppoeconf? |
| 10:46.09 | sfrank | Zimpee: and? |
| 10:46.18 | danielao | Guerin: I do not install it because I see that libgcc1 will be upgraded, I'm not sure what happen |
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| 10:46.33 | Zimpee | sfrank : i did a simple route, there is no default |
| 10:46.37 | jm_ | sfrank: beats me, maybe it's set as UH instead of UG (i.e. there's already one for eth0 or whatever) |
| 10:46.38 | sfrank | jm_: scans you devices looking for adsl con. and asks you username and pass. |
| 10:46.40 | Guerin | danielao: welcome to experimental. |
| 10:46.53 | sfrank | jm_: anyway.. |
| 10:47.07 | jm_ | it doesn't say default ;) |
| 10:47.12 | ircdevil | when i attach a unix text file to a mail, then all newlines become \r ? |
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| 10:47.23 | jm_ | ircdevil: no |
| 10:47.26 | sfrank | Zimpee: look |
| 10:47.30 | sfrank | Zimpee: do the ifconfig |
| 10:47.40 | sfrank | Zimpee: right down the ip address of the other peer. |
| 10:47.44 | Skaag | anyone tried to activate suexec on apache-ssl as well? I only have it working on my regular apache... |
| 10:47.55 | danielao | Guerin: what i see is that libgcc1 is a library of utility function do it make system unstable? |
| 10:47.59 | mirak | hi |
| 10:48.00 | ircdevil | jm_: ok, some-one-elses problem :o) |
| 10:48.05 | sfrank | Zimpee: then do route add default gw ip-addr |
| 10:48.08 | Speedy2 | Ok, I got it, I was holding down a function key. |
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| 10:48.11 | Speedy2 | Nigh tall. |
| 10:48.11 | Guerin | danielao: it's in experimental. What do you think? |
| 10:48.13 | sfrank | Zimpee: that's it |
| 10:48.14 | ircdevil | jm_ it is not a mutt feature? |
| 10:48.23 | Zimpee | sfrank : i did exactly what you said |
| 10:48.30 | sfrank | Zimpee: and? |
| 10:48.37 | cratuki | !tell cratuki about reiserfs |
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| 10:48.48 | mirak | if I do dd if=something of=/dev/hda1, is there any risk that hda2 get writted on if if produce to much input ? |
| 10:48.54 | MobyTurbo | danielao: anything in experimental is something not ready for "unstable." What does that tell you? |
| 10:48.59 | Guerin | mirak: none |
| 10:49.04 | cratuki | !tell cratuki about jfs |
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| 10:49.07 | rwa | heh, #debian, the channel that never sleeps |
| 10:49.08 | mirak | Guerin: tanks |
| 10:49.09 | danielao | Guerin: I hope to experiment on gcc-4.0 |
| 10:49.12 | Zimpee | sfrank : no default in output of route |
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| 10:49.41 | Zimpee | i can't ping, i can't reach servers |
| 10:49.57 | MobyTurbo | danielao: if you need to ask the kind of questions you're asking I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 10:50.02 | hlp_me | how can i get rid of artsd? |
| 10:50.21 | MobyTurbo | resiak: ricerfs |
| 10:50.30 | resiak | (or resiakfs) |
| 10:50.36 | resiak | MobyTurbo: Yeah, I know ;0 |
| 10:50.45 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 10:50.45 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 10:50.47 | Zimpee | sfrank :i can't ping, i can't reach servers |
| 10:50.48 | Guerin | danielao: no, you misunderstand: experimental doesn't mean you get to experiment with debian packages; it means the debian package maintainers get to use your box as an experiment wihtout endangering their own machines. |
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| 10:51.16 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 10:51.19 | sfrank | Zimpee: can you ping the ip of the other end of the connection |
| 10:51.22 | danielao | Guerin:) |
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| 10:52.25 | Zimpee | sfrank : yes, i can |
| 10:52.28 | Skaag | anyone here knows how to activate suexec for apache-ssl? |
| 10:52.29 | jenipapo | I use connect() function in TCP mode. When the connection fails I have to wait 3mn before connect() returns error |
| 10:52.38 | jenipapo | How to change this timeout? |
| 10:52.39 | Guerin | Skaag: #apache |
| 10:52.44 | bob2 | www.sco.com |
| 10:52.47 | Skaag | this is debian related |
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| 10:53.03 | Guerin | Skaag: no, it's generic apache config. |
| 10:53.04 | dcullen | how do I add a user to a group? |
| 10:53.08 | SlayerCE | Skaag: you activate it the same way you would for any other distro |
| 10:53.10 | sfrank | Zimpee: then my solution should work... do you get any errors when running the command? |
| 10:53.12 | Guerin | dcullen: adduser user group |
| 10:53.14 | jenipapo | adduser user group |
| 10:53.14 | jm_ | bob2: hehe |
| 10:53.26 | sfrank | Zimpee: route add default gw 1.2.3.4 |
| 10:53.26 | dcullen | cheers |
| 10:53.37 | jenipapo | :) |
| 10:53.40 | hlp_me | i compiled my kernel with alsa support, do i still need artsd? |
| 10:53.56 | jm_ | hlp_me: well do you ? |
| 10:54.05 | Guerin | hlp_me: nobody NEEDS artsd. |
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| 10:54.27 | hlp_me | jm_, hell, only if i knew what it is used for. All i know about it, it is a sound daemon |
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| 10:55.15 | BoorishId | Does anyone know the name of the command or what not to tell me my ip address and gateway like windows ipconfig command?! |
| 10:55.28 | PerfDave | hlp_me: You shouldn't need aRts, no. ALSA should handle your sound mixing for you though it may need some dmix settings to do so if your sound hardware isn't well supported. |
| 10:55.29 | boobaa | ifconfig? |
| 10:55.30 | SlayerCE | BoorishId: yes, someone does. |
| 10:55.38 | jenipapo | ifconfig |
| 10:55.49 | jenipapo | Boohbah: ifconfig |
| 10:55.50 | BoorishId | ifconfig didnt show me any ip information :( |
| 10:56.02 | jenipapo | -a |
| 10:56.03 | Guerin | hlp_me: it enables your computer to play multiple audio streams in software. If you have a decent sound card, it's totally unnecessary. Under most circumstances, it's more trouble than it's worth because it prevents other (non-kde) programs from using your audio devices. |
| 10:56.06 | BoorishId | just a bunch of iroq crap |
| 10:56.08 | jenipapo | or something like that |
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| 10:56.32 | Guerin | BoorishId: then your interfaces aren't up |
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| 10:57.00 | PerfDave | Guerin: Nah, you just wrap the other programs with aoss :) |
| 10:57.10 | Guerin | ech |
| 10:57.15 | hlp_me | hrm... looks likes my oss emulation doesn't work, cuase when i try -ao oss switch in mplayer, it reports [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such device |
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| 10:57.30 | cratuki | Hmm. I have morphix and can install to my vm frm that. Is it easy to reduce unstable machines to stable? |
| 10:57.33 | Guerin | hlp_me: tht's because arts is fucking with it |
| 10:57.39 | Guerin | hlp_me: kill arts -> be happy |
| 10:57.49 | directhex|work | aoss isn't alsa oss emulation, it's an oss alsa wrapper. alsa oss emulation happens at a modules level |
| 10:57.51 | Guerin | cratuki: no, it's very uneasy. |
| 10:58.07 | cratuki | aah |
| 10:58.11 | hlp_me | Guerin i tried with killall artsd |
| 10:58.14 | honky_tonk | exit |
| 10:58.18 | BoorishId | Guerin: Ok heres the deal quit on debian becuase i couldnt get my network working im using mandrake same problem my nic is suported and all but im not gettin on the network how do i turn my ifaces on? in debian i tried ifup -a it didnt do nething and it isnt even valid in mandrake |
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| 10:58.37 | fusion | rofl honky tonk |
| 10:58.38 | Guerin | hlp_me: you need to stake it throught its black, evil heart by turning it off in kcontrol |
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| 10:59.03 | Guerin | otherwise it'll just respawn and continue sucking the life out of your sound card |
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| 10:59.33 | Phated | Mmmm meat. |
| 10:59.36 | hlp_me | Guerin, i already set kcontrol to use ALSA |
| 10:59.44 | Phated | And no, that's been qotd'ed already. |
| 10:59.45 | Guerin | BoorishId: I neither know nor care about mandrake |
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| 11:00.04 | Guerin | hlp_me: did you tell it NOT to use arts? Make sure. |
| 11:00.07 | zimnyx | i'm missing GIF support in php4-gd2 module. is there an other way to make it work with GIF that compiling from sources with GIF support? |
| 11:00.14 | DomCleal | hlp_me: I think that's telling arts to use ALSA... could be wrong though |
| 11:00.24 | Capkirk | anyone here tried the new debian-installer cd? i have problem there is no repair mode on it? |
| 11:00.41 | jm_ | zimnyx: it doesn't work even if you install libgd-gif1 ? |
| 11:00.46 | BoorishId | Guerin: its just the point that nothing seems to work gentoo is the only distro in wich my network will work but i always have problems installing :( ahhh i just want my damn network to acually work |
| 11:00.48 | jm_ | zimnyx: or libgd-gif-tools ? |
| 11:00.51 | hlp_me | Guerin but wehre exactly do i set it? |
| 11:00.51 | Guerin | Capkirk: start the install process, then hit alt+f4 for a shell |
| 11:00.53 | DomCleal | Capkirk - can't you switch to another console using it? |
| 11:01.00 | Guerin | BoorishId: pebcak |
| 11:01.02 | Capkirk | DomCleal: yes |
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| 11:01.05 | takatumi | BoorishId: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:01.10 | BoorishId | pebcak? |
| 11:01.11 | Capkirk | Guerin: and? |
| 11:01.16 | Daroo | http://pingus.seul.org/screenshots.html |
| 11:01.24 | Guerin | Capkirk: and then you have a shell. What more do you want? |
| 11:01.31 | zimnyx | jm_: i've just found packages that can fix it. thanks |
| 11:01.31 | Gumby | can anyone tell if there would be any reason why an onboard audio card would not show up in lspci? It is set to enabled in the bios. |
| 11:01.41 | Guerin | hlp_me: I don't know; look through kcontrol a bit. |
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| 11:01.44 | maenni | Hi |
| 11:01.45 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 11:01.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 11:02.10 | maenni | I have a apache 1.3 server on woody which does something I can't explain. I have a subdirectory /phpad/ in many of my VirtualHosts. When I try to access it, I get a 404. The moment I rename the directory to e.g. /test/, accessing works fine. What could be responsible for this behaviour? |
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| 11:02.27 | Capkirk | Guerin: i want to install the kernel from the installer to my harddisk |
| 11:02.41 | Guerin | Capkirk: no, you don't. |
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| 11:02.46 | DomCleal | maenni: check you don't have an Alias pointing to the same location (/phpad/) |
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| 11:03.33 | Guerin | maenni: you know that aliases in apache's config are / sensitive: alias foo/ and alias foo are not the same |
| 11:03.39 | maenni | DomCleal: A grep phpad through all my apache configuration file reveals nothing. |
| 11:03.47 | DomCleal | Gumby: no, everything on your system should be listed there... |
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| 11:04.05 | maenni | Guerin: I don't have any Aliases regarding this subdirectory in my configuration. |
| 11:04.09 | Guerin | ok |
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| 11:04.13 | Zimpee | bye |
| 11:04.17 | Gumby | DomCleal: I just figured out why... it must be ISA not pci |
| 11:04.18 | Guerin | so I see, now |
| 11:04.19 | Capkirk | Guerin: ok? problem is apt-get update did make my system unable to boot so now i want to install the kernel from the debian installer cd which i know works? |
| 11:04.20 | aLi` | i need to talk an operator here.. someone banned the ttnet.net.tr network.. it is belong to turkey and a huge network.. please remove the *!*@*.adsl.ttnet.net.tr and ban only the user, or user ip |
| 11:04.39 | Guerin | Capkirk: apt-get update made your system unbootable? |
| 11:05.02 | Guerin | !ops |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 11:05.05 | zimnyx | jm_: libgd-gif-tools and libgd-gif1 haven't add GIF support to PHP4 :-( |
| 11:05.06 | bob2 | aLi`: yes, because it has 99% of the world's spambots |
| 11:05.07 | *** join/#debian rdancer (~r--t@host81-134-156-165.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 11:05.07 | Capkirk | Guerin: it installed a kernel which when i rebooted my system i got kernel vfs panic |
| 11:05.13 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 11:05.14 | rdancer | morning all |
| 11:05.27 | Capkirk | resiak: of course i am debian installer is only rc2 :) |
| 11:05.34 | Guerin | Capkirk: and the old kernel was uninstalled? |
| 11:05.52 | resiak | Capkirk: ...tell me you know the difference between testing and unstable? |
| 11:05.53 | *** join/#debian mrprismo (~mrhappyma@fox-vivi.vbs.at) |
| 11:06.01 | aLi` | bob2, but u banned all the turkish peoplee |
| 11:06.06 | aLi` | they cant join here |
| 11:06.16 | *** part/#debian Zimpee (man@62-77-207-186.vnet.hu) |
| 11:06.30 | SlayerCE | aLi`: tell all the turkish people to stop running spambots |
| 11:06.31 | Ronin | thats what happens when turkey is the spam capital of the world |
| 11:06.40 | Capkirk | resiak: maybe its testing i dont remember which branch they use for the new debian installer |
| 11:06.46 | rdancer | my deskjet 350 on /dev/lp0 refuses to print: lpq says ``DeskJet is not ready'' even after for a cupsd lpd; do /etc/init.d/$a restart; done cat > /dev/lp0 works. wtf? |
| 11:06.53 | fusion | dunno about that |
| 11:07.03 | aLi` | SlayerCE, can u do that? |
| 11:07.05 | fusion | a lot comes for USA, Malaysia and the phillipines |
| 11:07.10 | *** join/#debian daniels (~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 11:07.16 | SlayerCE | aLi`: can I do what? |
| 11:07.18 | Capkirk | Guerin: if apt-get update wants to install new kernel the old one got to get removed |
| 11:07.22 | fusion | in fact i've never had spam from tr |
| 11:07.27 | rdancer | what should i do to CUPS for it to detect a printer is attached?? |
| 11:07.29 | hlp_me | crap, after compiling new kernel, the locale fonts are fucked up :/ |
| 11:07.35 | aLi` | SlayerCE, can u tell al the people stop running spambots? |
| 11:07.43 | MobyTurbo | fusion: they are refering to IRC spam, not mail spam |
| 11:07.44 | Guerin | Capkirk: ok, what you want to do is get yourself a shell as I told you, then mkdir /mnt/root && mount -t yourrootfilesystem /dev/yourrootpartition /mnt/root && chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 11:07.47 | bob2 | aLi`: yes, I know |
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| 11:07.54 | fusion | MobyTurbo, I realise this |
| 11:07.54 | chrille | try use the cups webinterface it makes it easier |
| 11:07.57 | bob2 | aLi`: tell your idiot ISP to fix their fucking idiot users |
| 11:08.00 | fusion | and its the same situation for me :P |
| 11:08.04 | bob2 | aLi`: I will happily add ban exceptions for people |
| 11:08.12 | Guerin | Capkirk: then you have a root shell on your root filesystem, and you can install any kernel or any anything else you like |
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| 11:09.02 | *** part/#debian daniels (~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 11:09.26 | aLi` | bob2, we try to tell that idiots. but we dont ve other change.. we must use that isp.. because there is not an other isp.. |
| 11:09.34 | Guerin | apparently 98.5% of the email originating at my isp is spam ... luckily they haven't figured out irc spam yet, at least not on freenode |
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| 11:09.42 | bob2 | aLi`: do you have static ip addresses? |
| 11:09.44 | *** join/#debian SlayerCE (~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk) |
| 11:09.48 | bob2 | Guerin: 90% of my spam is from korea |
| 11:10.00 | aLi` | bob2, i m connecting from a shell now |
| 11:10.07 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, simonrvn and karsten say about the same |
| 11:10.09 | *** join/#debian Indal (~hidihi@noc.mistral.net) |
| 11:10.14 | aLi` | bob2, mt friend told me that he cant join here.. |
| 11:10.16 | *** join/#debian bl4ckh4t (~alimoreno@200.84.175.208) |
| 11:10.23 | bob2 | aLi`: yes, I know, your ISP is banned for being fucked |
| 11:10.32 | bob2 | aLi`: do users of that ISP have static ip addresses? |
| 11:10.44 | MobyTurbo | bob2: that's because .kr has universal broadband, and universal windows without firewalls. |
| 11:10.47 | aLi` | bob2, some of them.. |
| 11:10.47 | Indal | hey, i've got k3, for writing cd's and dvd's, i have a dvdwriter, which it seems to recognise, but when i try to use k3 to write cd's it is basically saying that i didn't choose a cdwriter! |
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| 11:11.06 | Gujiz | how can i get my debian server LAN address ? 192.168.*.* ? |
| 11:11.12 | bob2 | has anyone noticed the lack of spambots this past week? |
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| 11:11.25 | Indal | Gujiz: ifconfig -a |
| 11:11.30 | *** part/#debian Qo_noS (~maximusp@bb220-255-48-218.singnet.com.sg) |
| 11:11.48 | MobyTurbo | bob2: yeah, it's quieter than it was at its worst. |
| 11:11.51 | resiak | Indal: Out of interest, how are you supposed to find your own IP address without being root? |
| 11:11.53 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, nospambot.pl has only caught a dozen or so in the past ~7 hours for me |
| 11:12.00 | BR_ | Aparently you get sent to Prison in .kr if you actualy secure your machines ;) |
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| 11:12.20 | Guerin | BR_: good thing they haven't caught me yet |
| 11:12.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:12.33 | BR_ | Guerin: your French! |
| 11:12.36 | Gujiz | and is there any log that logs all addresses that logs all logins through ssh ? |
| 11:12.40 | Guerin | I am?? |
| 11:12.46 | BR_ | Guerin: are now! :P |
| 11:12.50 | petemc | Guerin: lastlog |
| 11:12.52 | *** part/#debian png (~aLi@193.255.252.32) |
| 11:12.54 | petemc | Gujiz: ^^ |
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| 11:12.59 | bob2 | Gujiz: /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:13.00 | resiak | Guerin: Ce n'est pas vrai? |
| 11:13.08 | petemc | or even last |
| 11:13.32 | MobyTurbo | Ce est past the french fries? |
| 11:13.40 | Indal | you don't have to be root to run ifconfig |
| 11:14.17 | resiak | Guerin: Paraphrasing, "No way!" |
| 11:14.18 | jdthood | Anyone here using home built alsa-modules on a non-i386 machine? |
| 11:14.22 | rdancer | lpq -E. fuck shouldn't this be something /etc/init.d/cupsd restart does?! |
| 11:14.24 | resiak | Guerin: It wasn't very funny. |
| 11:14.31 | Guerin | but I did do an illegal thing; I used my http proxy in the states to view some pro-north-korean websites which all korean ISPs are required by the gotv to block |
| 11:14.35 | Gujiz | wtf is user 'mail' always when i login to root some 'mail' login too :O |
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| 11:14.47 | mr_verbose | somebody here with cvs available? |
| 11:15.00 | mr_verbose | could you please check, if that repository can be checked out? |
| 11:15.03 | rdancer | Gujiz: ?? |
| 11:15.07 | mr_verbose | cvs -z3 -d:ext:anonymous@forgecvs1.novell.com:/cvsroot/powersave co powersave |
| 11:15.09 | resiak | Guerin: You HERETIC! |
| 11:15.16 | mr_verbose | because it doesnt work for me :-( |
| 11:15.23 | Indal | hmm never seen lpq -E ? |
| 11:15.41 | zirikili | does anyone have any experience with unstable problems of kde on sid? |
| 11:15.43 | Indal | it's a print management queueing tool, to just check the queue, or assign a particular printer etc |
| 11:15.44 | MobyTurbo | resiak: I assume he was doing it for comedy value. :-) |
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| 11:16.01 | rdancer | s/lpq/lpadmin/ of course |
| 11:16.32 | Guerin | resiak: yup, pity they didn't mean much to me since my korean ain't that hot |
| 11:16.49 | *** part/#debian grin (grin@grin.user) |
| 11:16.50 | MobyTurbo | resiak: PDRK is the last bastion of Stalinist propaganda. |
| 11:17.10 | resiak | MobyTurbo: I know =) |
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| 11:17.27 | Indal | hmm anyone here have an xbox? |
| 11:17.31 | resiak | Guerin: Oh well. You could start a subversive truth-spreading campaign ;) |
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| 11:17.42 | *** part/#debian fusion (~fusion@fusion.user) |
| 11:17.43 | resiak | Guerin: (Just before you leave the country, natch.) |
| 11:17.49 | BR_ | I have a box, and I can write X on it, does that help Indal? |
| 11:17.51 | aLi` | bob2, please remove the ban and find other ways to stop spams. u/this server can do this.. |
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| 11:17.58 | PerfDave | zirikili: Welcome to unstable ;) |
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| 11:18.15 | Guerin | resiak: the thing is that any site which is pro-dprk is bound to be run by utter lunatics |
| 11:18.25 | bob2 | aLi`: blah |
| 11:18.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: Proxy these sites on Freenet ;) |
| 11:18.38 | bob2 | aLi`: why are the users of that ISP so incompetent? |
| 11:18.48 | bob2 | there are far larger ISPs in the world that are less fucked |
| 11:18.55 | bob2 | even AOL only has the occasional moron-troll |
| 11:19.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 767] by debhelper |
| 11:19.09 | sussudio | !test |
| 11:19.09 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 11:19.13 | BR_ | bob2: monopoly? :) |
| 11:19.14 | PerfDave | Most AOL users are too stupid to get on IRC ;) |
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| 11:19.26 | SlayerCE | bob2: can u help me to install mirc on mandrake enterprise server 12? |
| 11:19.26 | bob2 | BR_: lots of countries have a monopoly dsl isp |
| 11:19.43 | BR_ | bob2: and I think that .tr is one of them :) |
| 11:19.45 | bob2 | and I bet, say, demon UK has more users than turkeynet |
| 11:20.11 | aLi` | bob2, u cant call all of them like this.! |
| 11:20.25 | bob2 | aLi`: I'm not calling anything |
| 11:20.36 | bob2 | I'm asking why you think that ISP is a bigger problem than any other |
| 11:20.39 | Gujiz | SlayerCE #mandrake is right channel for U |
| 11:20.52 | SlayerCE | aLi`: 1) we won't remove that ban 2) we will remove you if you don't cease whining. |
| 11:21.02 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 11:21.02 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. |
| 11:21.05 | BR_ | bob2: that maybe, but asking "why you use this ISP?" if its the only one seems a bit strange. |
| 11:21.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 11:21.13 | *** join/#debian wiss (~wiss@194.146.153.19) |
| 11:21.19 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@*.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] by bob2 |
| 11:21.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 11:21.30 | SlayerCE | bob2: oh fine, prove me a liar :) |
| 11:21.32 | sussudio | :-P |
| 11:21.39 | aLi` | thanks bob2 |
| 11:21.44 | resiak | aLi`: Complain to your ISP. Tell them that this has happened, and that they should try to control the users. |
| 11:21.51 | Guerin | bob2: can you set a ban which stops joins with a messsage like "Your isp has been blocked for gross incompetence. Please join #freenode and ask for a usermask if you're not a spambot." |
| 11:21.51 | bob2 | it's not aLi`s fault |
| 11:22.06 | bob2 | but it's fucking pathetic that any ISP can have so many fucktard users |
| 11:22.20 | sussudio | bob2: personally, i wouldn't take advice from someone with a nick like aLi` is ~aLi@193.255.252.32 * aLi seN |
| 11:22.21 | bob2 | BR_: I never asked why he uses that ISP |
| 11:22.27 | resiak | I'm not saying that it is aLi`'s fault, hence why I suggest that he moan at his ISP |
| 11:22.28 | sussudio | looks like a fucking spamnick itself. |
| 11:22.29 | bob2 | BR_: I asked why the ISP has so many fucking stupid users |
| 11:22.45 | bob2 | Guerin: hmm |
| 11:22.56 | bob2 | aLi`: you know your friends can get hostcloaks, right? |
| 11:22.58 | zu22 | back! |
| 11:23.08 | aLi` | bob2, idiots :) |
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| 11:23.31 | *** part/#debian bob2 (rob@bob2.user) |
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| 11:23.43 | BR_ | bob2: my bad, mis-read |
| 11:23.58 | bob2 | well, I'll add a hilight for joins from that isp |
| 11:23.58 | *** part/#debian aLi` (~aLi@193.255.252.32) |
| 11:24.24 | bob2 | which puts it on the level of rima-tde used to be |
| 11:24.43 | MobyTurbo | bob2: the spambot ban message already gives instructions about mailing freenode if you aren't one. I know, for some reason I was briefly marked as one. |
| 11:25.19 | MouselikeIRC | hi all |
| 11:25.28 | cratuki | do people have recommendations on ideal world splits between partitions? 2GB for boot, 2GB for usr, etc? |
| 11:25.32 | *** join/#debian Luzifer (~Luzifer@pD9EBF4C7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:25.34 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 11:25.38 | MouselikeIRC | is there any OP in the channel |
| 11:25.44 | Guerin | cratuki: you're guessing, aren't you |
| 11:25.54 | MouselikeIRC | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.55 | bob2 | MouselikeIRC: just ask your question |
| 11:25.56 | cratuki | guerin: I'm guessing 2gb is a little large for boot. |
| 11:26.01 | Guerin | MouselikeIRC: no, we don;t have ops here |
| 11:26.07 | bob2 | cratuki: what sort of system? |
| 11:26.08 | Guerin | MouselikeIRC: we're egalitarian. |
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| 11:26.22 | directhex|work | cratuki, depends on you as a user. my /usr/local/games is approaching 10gb very fast. generally 50mb for /boot is more than enough, the rest si what you feel like. beginners should have a 50mb boot, then consider just having a big / |
| 11:26.26 | PerfDave | cratuki: If you have to ask, just have one root partition and one swap partition. |
| 11:26.27 | Guerin | cratuki: boot shouldn't be more than 50mb or so. It's only for kernels. |
| 11:26.32 | *** part/#debian Luzifer (~Luzifer@pD9EBF4C7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:26.33 | cratuki | bob2: vmware. I want it to be modular so I can maintain a single kernel space and swap between machines, prob. a different partition for opt |
| 11:26.44 | *** join/#debian loswillios (jan@p50846FF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:26.56 | MouselikeIRC | Guerin: It's great to hear the word "egalitarian" |
| 11:27.22 | *** join/#debian palik (~bizonek@pd75.nowy-sacz.sdi.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:27.23 | MobyTurbo | MouselikeIRC: /msg dpkg ops |
| 11:27.27 | faxo_ | how do you bookmark a site with ncftp ? |
| 11:27.27 | bob2 | cratuki: 64mb /boot, 4gb / |
| 11:27.32 | bob2 | MouselikeIRC: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:27.35 | *** part/#debian Paradikan (~paradikan@dsl-082-083-013-038.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:27.39 | cratuki | bob2: thanks |
| 11:27.41 | jm_ | faxo_: start with help command |
| 11:27.44 | MouselikeIRC | i'm from *.adsl.ttnet.net.tr block originally. but i'm using a web interface to talk to you about "ban" problem of my network |
| 11:27.52 | bob2 | MouselikeIRC: it's unbanned |
| 11:27.55 | bob2 | MouselikeIRC: also, your isp is shit |
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| 11:28.03 | bob2 | and I know you have no choice, but you should know it's run by retards |
| 11:28.08 | bob2 | also the users are stupid |
| 11:28.15 | aLi` | MouselikeIRC, ? |
| 11:28.15 | Guerin | and you should complain to them |
| 11:28.19 | Guerin | vocally |
| 11:28.20 | aLi` | MouselikeIRC, ? ban removed |
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| 11:28.33 | MouselikeIRC | there are hundred thousands of people using *.adsl.ttnet.net.tr because it's the one and only ADSL service provider of the Turkey |
| 11:28.39 | bob2 | MouselikeIRC: the ban is gone |
| 11:28.44 | bob2 | we already had this discussion |
| 11:28.44 | *** join/#debian hlp_me (~user@Toronto-HSE-ppp3738561.sympatico.ca) |
| 11:28.49 | bob2 | now call and complain to your isp |
| 11:28.51 | aLi` | MouselikeIRC, go home study ur lessons :) ban removed |
| 11:28.59 | faxo_ | jm_, :))) |
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| 11:29.14 | *** part/#debian hede_hodo (~hedehod@dsl81-215-29600.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) |
| 11:29.23 | sussudio | bob2: it's better to leave the ban on, that will motivate them to call their isp. |
| 11:29.27 | MobyTurbo | first .tr spambot already |
| 11:29.53 | MouselikeIRC | Guerin: i hate spambots and spambotmaster too. |
| 11:29.59 | Guerin | sure ya do |
| 11:30.08 | zirikili | PerfDave: maybe I should wait until get a lot of experience on debian before use sid :) |
| 11:30.09 | *** part/#debian SlayerCE (~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk) |
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| 11:30.18 | MouselikeIRC | Guerin: I also hate the paraniod behaviours too |
| 11:30.22 | resiak | !applaud zirikili |
| 11:30.22 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, zirikili |
| 11:30.29 | PerfDave | zirikili: Yes, that would make sense ;) |
| 11:30.35 | MouselikeIRC | take it easy friends |
| 11:30.43 | Guerin | MouselikeIRC: oh, ease up. I already told you what ISP I come from. |
| 11:30.50 | sussudio | the fucking ttnet spambots have been at it 24/7 for over a year. i think a permban is warranted until action is taken. |
| 11:30.54 | Guerin | MouselikeIRC: and it's no better than yours. |
| 11:31.12 | sussudio | wait, make that a kline for the whole network. |
| 11:31.15 | rdancer | Guerin: like, no reverse dns records... |
| 11:31.35 | DomCleal | it's OT, but does anyone know a tool to step through an sh script, breakpoints etc, like gdb? or does gdb do it? |
| 11:31.37 | Guerin | rdancer: yeah, and bad whois info, and millions of pwn3d win98 boxen |
| 11:31.42 | zirikili | resiak: thanks |
| 11:31.46 | jm_ | DomCleal: bash debugger on freshmeat |
| 11:31.57 | resiak | zirikili: =) |
| 11:32.03 | MouselikeIRC | Guerin: Don't you understand what i'm saying ? *.adsl.ttnet.net.tr is the ONE AND ONLY broadband provider of Turkey. I don't have any other chance to use broadband !!! |
| 11:32.10 | Phated | Guerin: Bad whois info how? |
| 11:32.12 | DomCleal | jm_: okay, ty |
| 11:32.17 | jm_ | DomCleal: or ddd, it can do it as well |
| 11:32.26 | MobyTurbo | MouselikeIRC: it's unbanned already. Leave us alone. |
| 11:32.28 | Phated | MouselikeIRC: Yeah so call your ISP and ask them to drop the fucking spammers. |
| 11:32.33 | rdancer | Guerin: sux hard. can you at least get a public IP, and tunnel to some real network? |
| 11:32.37 | DomCleal | jm_: ah, thanks, think I've already got it somewhere... |
| 11:32.40 | sussudio | MouselikeIRC: so get a fucking usercloak. |
| 11:32.51 | *** join/#debian acetech (~acetech@ip68-98-24-3.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 11:33.00 | Phated | You can get those? |
| 11:33.06 | acetech | how can i enable insmod, is this part of the kernel? |
| 11:33.07 | rdancer | MouselikeIRC: that's what Guerin told you. you don't make sense |
| 11:33.16 | sussudio | Phated: yes, you just ask. |
| 11:33.24 | sussudio | mydausmeliceps.user for you, for example. |
| 11:33.26 | jm_ | acetech: yes it is, why are you messing with this ? |
| 11:33.46 | Phated | sussudio: Aw come on I'm not from malaysia. How about merlion.user? |
| 11:34.03 | acetech | jm_: when i boot the computer, it says it needs insmod as part of the ipchains |
| 11:34.04 | rdancer | anybody can call them. the international calls are really cheap these days |
| 11:34.18 | jm_ | acetech: looks like something is looking for ipchains modules |
| 11:34.43 | acetech | jm_: i think i need to enable the insmod |
| 11:34.47 | jm_ | acetech: don't use that, use iptables with 2.4 and newer kernels |
| 11:34.57 | rdancer | sussudio: ask whom? |
| 11:34.59 | jm_ | acetech: it's already enabled if you're using kernel-image kernels |
| 11:35.03 | sussudio | rdancer: an ircop |
| 11:35.13 | Phated | #freenode I presume. |
| 11:35.16 | MouselikeIRC | MobyTurbo: Friend , i already want to do this. But some guys like Guerin accuse me with being a spambotmaster. And i'm not . this is the only thing that i want them to know. And i want all the ttnet.net.tr allergetic people know that "It's not logical to accuse all the people in an ISP" |
| 11:35.28 | acetech | jm_: i am useing 2.6.8 kernel |
| 11:35.39 | sussudio | Phated: /msg lilo can i have a usercloak please? |
| 11:35.41 | PerfDave | Phated: What was FieldySnuts saying over the weekend then? :p |
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| 11:36.11 | jm_ | acetech: it has netfilter support too, so you can use iptables |
| 11:36.11 | Phated | PerfDave: Hmmm? Ah yes that. Hehe. |
| 11:36.11 | Phated | sussudio: Sweet, thank you. |
| 11:36.12 | PerfDave | Phated: I /awaylogged you mentioning me, but the conversation was out of my lastlog. |
| 11:36.17 | SlayerCE | haha |
| 11:36.19 | acetech | jm_: how can i get rid of it calling or asking for the insmod on bootup? |
| 11:36.21 | SlayerCE | sco.com has been owned. |
| 11:36.26 | MobyTurbo | MouselikeIRC: don't whine to me, I'm not an op. |
| 11:36.35 | Phated | PerfDave: Mm, yes. Let's see... She said something. And it was somewhat lewd. Thus the mention of you. |
| 11:36.45 | Douwd | SlayerCE: pretty funny if you ask me and not so blatantly obvious :) |
| 11:37.00 | SlayerCE | that's _fantastic_ |
| 11:37.02 | Phated | Still up, then? |
| 11:37.03 | PerfDave | Phated: Of course I could take lewd lessons, I'm sweet and innocent ;) |
| 11:37.08 | Phated | HAH! |
| 11:37.09 | PerfDave | SlayerCE: Yeah, very funny |
| 11:37.12 | DomCleal | lol nice SlayerCE |
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| 11:37.28 | Zap-W | anyone know how to increase the USB sample rate |
| 11:37.33 | Douwd | I wonder how long it will take for them to notice... |
| 11:37.39 | Phated | PerfDave sweet and innocent is... Comparable to the likelihood of me being a monkey's uncle. |
| 11:37.55 | Phated | Douwd: Don't say anything to them yet, I'm going to look. |
| 11:38.15 | rdancer | Zap-W: solder a higher-frequency oscilator in each and every usb gadget you have. |
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| 11:38.28 | tuxx | Hi ppl |
| 11:38.37 | Douwd | maybe the sudden increase in traffic might give them a subtle hint |
| 11:38.44 | Phated | Oh no. |
| 11:38.49 | tuxx | I have a problem with my new Sarge installation |
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| 11:38.55 | Phated | Oh come on that ISN'T subtle... |
| 11:38.58 | rdancer | Zap-W: but why would you like to do that? |
| 11:39.07 | Douwd | Phated: it is to sco people... |
| 11:39.08 | Douwd | ;) |
| 11:39.09 | tuxx | If I, in X, in konsole try to load an X-app it says it cannot |
| 11:39.13 | Phated | Douwd: Haha. |
| 11:39.27 | Zap-W | rdancer: huh ? in windows was just a matter of changing a few hex values in usbsysio.sys or something |
| 11:39.32 | tuxx | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 11:39.32 | tuxx | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 11:39.37 | Zap-W | rdancer: for games for the mice |
| 11:39.40 | MobyTurbo | tuxx: as root? |
| 11:39.43 | danielao | apt-get install gcc-4.0 gcj-4.0 g++-4.0 ... sometime I use winxp: I think 200 critical bugs is good for a program |
| 11:39.47 | tuxx | MobyTurbo yes |
| 11:39.48 | rdancer | Zap-W: mice games?! |
| 11:39.53 | PerfDave | tuxx: /msg dpkg sux |
| 11:39.57 | Zap-W | rdancer: yea , like q3a |
| 11:40.01 | Phated | rdancer: Kinky. |
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| 11:40.21 | tuxx | PerfDave thanks |
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| 11:40.51 | groulder | have you guys seen sco.com? |
| 11:40.54 | groulder | has it been hacked? |
| 11:40.59 | resiak | groulder: No, it hasn't been. |
| 11:41.00 | MobyTurbo | hee come the bots |
| 11:41.01 | Guerin | rdancer: yeah, I can.... but then I lose my 24mbit, I'm limited by the remote host's speed |
| 11:41.05 | MobyTurbo | here |
| 11:41.08 | zu22 | yup it was defaced |
| 11:41.19 | resiak | groulder: It's supposed to look like that. |
| 11:41.22 | Guerin | MouselikeIRC: easy, easy... I get accused of being a spambot all the time based on my isp |
| 11:41.23 | zu22 | sheesh crazy .tr bots |
| 11:41.23 | Phated | Pretty good though. |
| 11:41.38 | Guerin | or a spammaster |
| 11:41.40 | jethro | LOL |
| 11:41.52 | Phated | Guerin a spammaster? Say it ain't so! |
| 11:42.10 | rdancer | groulder: well, they were running (installing ?) debian few days ago (with open ports like ipp, bitlbee, ...) and the debian apache default page on tcp/80 |
| 11:42.33 | Qo-noS | groulder: http://www.hypergallery.co.uk/funny/sco_owned?full=1 |
| 11:43.17 | Phated | Hehe. |
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| 11:43.35 | Phated | OK how many other people just took screenshots of SCO being pwn3d... :) |
| 11:43.43 | jethro | I didn't |
| 11:43.44 | groulder | notice the woman writing on the blackboard in the background of the image has written "hacked by reallod"? |
| 11:43.57 | Phated | Yeah? Subtle. |
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| 11:44.00 | jm_ | cunning |
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| 11:44.35 | MobyTurbo | bob2: notice the .tr bots |
| 11:44.37 | Phated | sco.com is refusing connections now, it seems. |
| 11:44.48 | resiak | Phated: Me! Me! |
| 11:44.52 | jethro | Phated: it's not |
| 11:44.56 | Qo-noS | that was class...but not the attention Linux wants me think |
| 11:44.56 | Phated | resiak: You did? |
| 11:45.03 | Phated | jethro: Dunno, I did just get refused. |
| 11:45.07 | resiak | Phated: It's not refusing _my_ connections =) |
| 11:45.09 | groulder | still working for me. |
| 11:45.13 | jethro | :) |
| 11:45.16 | resiak | Phated: Oh yes. |
| 11:45.22 | Phated | sco.com doesn't work, www.sco.com does. |
| 11:45.23 | Phated | Odd. |
| 11:45.26 | jethro | :) |
| 11:45.30 | Guerin | Phated: I'm not leet enough to pwn boxen :( |
| 11:45.31 | Phated | Stupid things. |
| 11:45.35 | Phated | Guerin: Meh. |
| 11:45.42 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 11:45.42 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 11:46.01 | rdancer | Phated: sco.com is a CNAME www.sco.com |
| 11:46.04 | zu22 | weird all these ttnet users joining in past minutes |
| 11:46.08 | Phated | Yeah well. |
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| 11:46.10 | Qo-noS | jethro: were you responsible for this "class" act? or anyone else here? ;) |
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| 11:46.12 | jethro | Guerin: you don't have to be leet, most of the breakins are due to unskilled admins |
| 11:46.14 | Phated | zu22: Spambots. :) |
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| 11:46.27 | Guerin | jethro: dict facetious |
| 11:46.31 | zu22 | phated: ah what lamers |
| 11:46.33 | Phated | Qo-noS: No one's really going to confess to it. |
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| 11:46.49 | resiak | Guerin: ...but, but, you're 220. ! |
| 11:46.50 | Phated | zu22: Well, likely as not. IT's been said that many spambots around are from ttnet. |
| 11:46.55 | Qo-noS | Phated: hehe nah just jk ;) |
| 11:47.13 | zu22 | phated: kline then :D |
| 11:47.13 | Phated | Yeah wasn't this channel monitored or something? |
| 11:47.14 | Quag7 | I have a somewhat fresh Debian Sarge install. I'm sort of new to Debian as a desktop system and to Sarge, completely. I notice the install makes a kernel that loads basically everything as modules depending on pnp. One module is loading that I don't want modded; I want to modprobe it manually - is there an easy way to tell the system not to modprobe it, or should I just do an rmmod at startup to remove it? |
| 11:47.24 | Phated | zu22: I can't. Talk to bob2. :) |
| 11:47.29 | zu22 | heh |
| 11:47.43 | jm_ | Quag7: find out what is loading it |
| 11:47.55 | groulder | when you do an install of debian, does it put the kernel source anywhere? |
| 11:48.03 | Quag7 | Well, its the sound module for my bizarre Thinkpad sound chip. |
| 11:48.10 | Phated | groulder: No. |
| 11:48.10 | Quag7 | Do you have a recommendation of how to figure this out? |
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| 11:48.22 | jm_ | Quag7: hotplug/discover |
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| 11:48.36 | Quag7 | ah, ok...Is all of the autodetection here happening via hotplug? |
| 11:48.36 | bob2 | wow |
| 11:48.48 | jm_ | you can blacklist things in it I think |
| 11:48.57 | Quag7 | having a look; thanks jm |
| 11:49.11 | MobyTurbo | Quag7: I think it's /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 11:49.17 | jm_ | which erminds me, gotta fix my usb flash driver auto-mount thing with hotplug and 2.6 |
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| 11:49.25 | jm_ | drive even |
| 11:49.38 | Quag7 | Sure is jm.. |
| 11:49.56 | DaveB | !seen dpkg |
| 11:49.56 | dpkg | DaveB: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 11:50.01 | bob2 | 7 minute, 52 seconds to the first spam bot |
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| 11:50.14 | Phated | bob2: Good man. Knew you were timing it. :) |
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| 11:50.33 | rdancer | groulder: it's ``realloc('', not ``reallod'' |
| 11:50.45 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: I'm noticing |
| 11:50.50 | groulder | rdancer, ahhh ok |
| 11:50.50 | Quag7 | rebooting with blacklist... |
| 11:51.08 | MobyTurbo | bob2: good. |
| 11:51.08 | bob2 | aLi`: please contact your ISP |
| 11:51.18 | regebro | Hello people! I seem to have encountered a bug in timezone configuration. The big question is: is it a debian bug, or a linux bug or a clib bug, or what. I need some help to figure that out. :) |
| 11:51.19 | aLi` | i did bob2 |
| 11:51.21 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: in fact, I noticed it last week, which is why they were banned |
| 11:51.30 | bob2 | aLi`: with a list of compromised IPs? |
| 11:51.50 | jm_ | there's a huge lag here it seems |
| 11:52.23 | DaveB | Hi. I want to re-run the X config step in debian installer, what command do I need? |
| 11:52.32 | jm_ | DaveB: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 11:52.58 | Zap-W | http://www.sco.com/ <- been hacked |
| 11:53.02 | Phated | bob2: Start taking down IPs and then email them. :) |
| 11:53.03 | aidehua | Gah. I submitted a "wishlist" bug but used a dodgy email address for the submitter, that doesn't work. /me <-- idiot :) |
| 11:53.06 | Phated | Zap-W: We know. |
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| 11:53.23 | DaveB | jm_: thanks |
| 11:53.25 | PerfDave | DaveB: Which bit of Oxford is conted.ox.ac.uk ? |
| 11:53.33 | regebro | It seems like all GMT+n and GMT-n timezones have the wrong offset. |
| 11:53.44 | bob2 | cmabridge is prettier than oxford, btw |
| 11:53.54 | DaveB | PerfDave: Dept. for Continuing Education |
| 11:53.58 | Phated | Cambridge is EVIL. They messed up the pure Bio paper! |
| 11:54.57 | aLi` | thanks 4 everything bob2 .. i ll call my isp (in fact not mine) again & again.. bye. |
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| 11:55.04 | Phated | aLi`: Wait! |
| 11:55.08 | PerfDave | DaveB: Oh, OK :) |
| 11:55.16 | Phated | aLi`: Hang around and get a list of IPs that are bots. |
| 11:55.26 | Phated | THEN call them. :) |
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| 11:56.31 | aLi` | Phated, they r not static IPs.. now i must go work.. bye |
| 11:56.45 | Phated | Oh well. |
| 11:57.00 | regebro | OK, I'll report it as a Debian bug then. |
| 11:57.02 | regebro | Question is what package, timezoneconf or libc? Hum.... |
| 11:57.13 | Phated | Do both. |
| 11:57.27 | Phated | The one that it isn't a bug in will close it, and the one that it is a bug in will work on it. |
| 11:57.30 | Quag7 | After like 16 hours, I have sound working :P - thanks jm |
| 11:57.44 | asuffield | or, in the case of libc, ignore it |
| 11:57.45 | regebro | Phated: Could be an idea, indeed. |
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| 11:58.16 | aidehua | PerfDave: were you on the Freshers' Fair stand this year? |
| 11:58.20 | Phated | regebro: Yeah. |
| 11:58.36 | PerfDave | aidehua: Uhm, I'm not a student :) |
| 11:58.41 | Quag7 | Is there a default like uh, local.start or rc.local - something to run miscellaneous things at startup without making an init script? |
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| 11:59.00 | regebro | The bug has probably been there fore some time, and there are workarounds (not using GMT+/-N timezones) so it's no panic. I'll start with timezoneconf and go from there. ;) |
| 11:59.06 | aidehua | PerfDave: me neither :) |
| 11:59.15 | aidehua | ...but I still managed to get in :) |
| 11:59.15 | Baard | http://www.sco.com/ poor sco :) |
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| 11:59.28 | DaveB | PerfDave: we might have talked via oxlug previously... |
| 11:59.32 | PerfDave | aidehua: Fair enough. No, I didn't go to the Fresher's Fair. |
| 11:59.46 | MobyTurbo | sco was evil even when over a decade ago it was a Unix company. |
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| 11:59.53 | aidehua | Just wondering if this was my first example of meeting a #debian IRL. |
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| 12:00.08 | asuffield | MobyTurbo: that was a different company |
| 12:00.21 | asuffield | the one currently called 'sco' is not the same company that was called 'sco' back then |
| 12:00.24 | aidehua | /calculate-overlap -channel #debian -channel #keble |
| 12:00.42 | MobyTurbo | asuffield: not really, sco was bought by caldera - then caldera named itself sco. |
| 12:00.44 | Zap-W | the woman is writing on the wall , hacked by rell something.. |
| 12:00.57 | PerfDave | aidehua: Only three, I think. |
| 12:00.57 | asuffield | MobyTurbo: no, the company that was once 'sco' is now called tarantella. it's entirely independent |
| 12:01.05 | Baard | Zap-W: mhm, it's pretty well done :) |
| 12:01.06 | asuffield | MobyTurbo: all that caldera bought was the name |
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| 12:01.17 | MobyTurbo | asuffield: ah yes, I forgot about that. |
| 12:01.18 | aidehua | /calculate-overlap -channel #debian -channel #chiark |
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| 12:01.44 | PerfDave | aidehua: heh, I've managed to resist the lure of chiark thus far. |
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| 12:01.55 | Robinson | !clarice robinson |
| 12:01.59 | bob2 | chiark is an east cost thing |
| 12:02.01 | MobyTurbo | chiark? |
| 12:02.05 | bob2 | oxfordians aren't welcome afaik |
| 12:02.12 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: part of the Sinister Greenend Conspiracy |
| 12:02.39 | PerfDave | bob2: Bollocks, there are plenty of Oxford and Oxford-affiliated Chiarkers. |
| 12:02.41 | MobyTurbo | bob2: as a left-hander I am exteamly insulted by your use of the word "sinister" |
| 12:03.04 | bob2 | PerfDave: yeah, but they can't admit it openly |
| 12:03.05 | Piru | heh, sco.com is hacked? at least that logo has somewhat funny tagline... :) |
| 12:03.10 | PerfDave | MobyTurbo: You're catholic? :p |
| 12:03.12 | bob2 | PerfDave: or they punt you into the oxford canals |
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| 12:03.23 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: no. |
| 12:03.27 | PerfDave | bob2: *shrug* I can't say I've ever noticed. |
| 12:03.44 | Phated | Good you. |
| 12:03.50 | PerfDave | aidehua: No, good you. Cambridge is a hive of scum and villany ;) |
| 12:03.56 | Phated | Yes they are. |
| 12:04.09 | Phated | Hehe. |
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| 12:04.39 | Piru | "We own all your code ... pay us all your money" .. now, who was it ?-) |
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| 12:04.57 | Phated | We don't know and you are SO last ten minutes. :) |
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| 12:05.07 | jessevdk | can anyone tell me how to build gnome-terminal package with debug symbols? |
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| 12:05.29 | Piru | phated, sorry, had to move some snow.. bloody blizzard out there :) |
| 12:05.32 | PerfDave | jessevdk: Probably reading the APT HOWTO on working with source package would be a good start. |
| 12:05.40 | Phated | Piru: Ah well then you're excused. :) |
| 12:05.58 | jessevdk | well I got the source. I added AM_CFLAGS="-Wall -Werror -g" to Makefile.am |
| 12:06.01 | aidehua | Cambridge is like sheet steel. Cold, flat, a bit rough at the edges. |
| 12:06.14 | jessevdk | build the package.. but no debug symbols |
| 12:06.15 | PerfDave | jessevdk: Where did you get the source from? |
| 12:06.20 | jessevdk | apt-get source gnome-terminal |
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| 12:06.32 | PerfDave | jessevdk: How did you build the package? |
| 12:06.39 | zu22 | piru: u in CO? |
| 12:06.40 | jessevdk | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 12:06.40 | PerfDave | jessevdk: You did install the resultant .deb, right? :) |
| 12:06.41 | bob2 | jessevdk: look at debian/rules |
| 12:06.47 | jessevdk | yes I installed the deb |
| 12:06.49 | jm_ | jessevdk: see if there's dh_strip in rules file |
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| 12:06.50 | bob2 | there'll be a env var to set to enable debugging |
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| 12:07.19 | Piru | zu22, I guess not |
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| 12:07.31 | jm_ | jessevdk: man dh_strip |
| 12:07.35 | Piru | zu22, I assume CO is one of the states? |
| 12:07.36 | jessevdk | its cdbs rules |
| 12:08.18 | MobyTurbo | Piru: Colorodo |
| 12:08.57 | zu22 | piru: ya, where u live? |
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| 12:09.07 | jessevdk | how do I exclude dh_strip from the package building process. (when rules is a cdbs rules file) |
| 12:09.23 | jm_ | stop ignoring me and read |
| 12:09.41 | jessevdk | right |
| 12:09.44 | rdancer_ | but, what is the cloaking good for? why should i care ppl see I'm a root@host81-134-156-165.in-addr.btopenworld.com ?? |
| 12:09.48 | jm_ | man dh_strip will tell you how |
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| 12:09.52 | Piru | zu22, southern finland.. and the weather is: http://www.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/EY291336.jpg |
| 12:10.10 | zu22 | piru: ah nice, i love snow! |
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| 12:10.25 | zu22 | rdancer: if lamers see u ip/hostname they can begin attacks on u |
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| 12:10.27 | Piru | it's cool if you don't have to move it manually :-) |
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| 12:10.41 | jm_ | ohh another Finn who should be informed they have to keep snow up north, we don't want it here ;) |
| 12:10.41 | zu22 | piru: ouch the back hehe |
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| 12:11.21 | Phated | And where are you, jm_? |
| 12:11.30 | jm_ | Phated: Slovenia |
| 12:11.31 | Phated | Piru: Mind passing an email to Claus? :) |
| 12:11.41 | Phated | jm_: Cool. |
| 12:12.10 | Piru | :P |
| 12:12.17 | DomCleal | argh.. I'm having one of those days... couldn't work out why PostgreSQL wasn't running... it'd been removed, but not purged ;) |
| 12:12.29 | jethro | why is openoffice so slow even on high grade computers? |
| 12:12.33 | rdancer_ | (1) but they can get the live IPs from scanning the network (2) why would they want to target IPs running irc clients specificcaly, (3) when behind a NAT there is no point in cloaking then? |
| 12:12.54 | rdancer_ | s/specificcaly/specifically/ |
| 12:13.57 | jethro | rdancer_: if they see you root@ on irc, they might thnk you're the kind of careless person running tcp client programs as root when not needed, so they might think you have other bad habits like bad passwrod policy, and such, hence why they'd target you first |
| 12:14.03 | sussudio | soviet slovenia? |
| 12:14.13 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:14.14 | rdancer_ | jethro: eh, ~r--t@..., to be precise... |
| 12:14.17 | Phated | Of course you shouldn't be root at all. |
| 12:14.49 | jethro | rdancer_: I just reacted to the root@ I saw you type earlier, didn't check what your hostname actually was, this comment applies to people ircing as root or pretending they are |
| 12:15.40 | rdancer_ | Phated: in FreeSBIE, you're root, for example. there's no way to be a non-root. and there's no reason, too, given all you have is a read-only root on the CD-ROM... |
| 12:16.04 | rdancer_ | jethro: if i were root, i wouldn't be allow to speak in #debian |
| 12:16.05 | scarynetworkguy | god that is just fucking evil beyond all words. |
| 12:16.09 | Phated | Don't IRC from FreeSBIE? :) |
| 12:16.23 | rdancer_ | Phated: you don't get it, do you? 8-( |
| 12:16.43 | jethro | rdancer_: I give up, it's pointless after all, I m sure we both agree on the fact that running tcp client/server programs with root priv when not needed is stupid |
| 12:16.48 | MobyTurbo | rdancer_: there are more weaknesses to running as root than that. |
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| 12:16.53 | rdancer_ | scarynetworkguy: no, it's a reasonable setup |
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| 12:16.57 | Qo-noS | rdancer: FreeSBIE? that "live" FreeBSD CD distro? ah |
| 12:17.03 | rdancer_ | Qo-noS: yes. |
| 12:17.05 | Phated | rdancer_: Not really. You shouldn't be IRCing as root. *shrugs* It's not my problem if a stupid LiveCD (as I think FreeSBIE is) doesn't allow non-root. |
| 12:17.13 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer_: no no it is not it is fucktarded beyond all words. |
| 12:17.21 | MobyTurbo | peanut Linux does that too, and its lame. |
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| 12:17.39 | jethro | phlack does it too |
| 12:17.41 | MobyTurbo | s/peanut/somethingelseiwithap/ |
| 12:17.45 | Phated | Lame would be a good work. |
| 12:17.46 | jethro | so does linuxcare |
| 12:17.49 | rdancer_ | Phated: yada yada. you either don't understand the reasons not to irc as root, or you were not thinking when writing the previous line |
| 12:17.51 | jethro | depends on the need that the live cd fits |
| 12:17.52 | MobyTurbo | puppy Linux. That's it. |
| 12:18.00 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 12:18.00 | jgrau | newbie question: how do i mount a network drive between 2 linux computers? |
| 12:18.10 | rdancer_ | scarynetworkguy: you too. |
| 12:18.13 | SlayerCE | jgrau: using which protocol? |
| 12:18.17 | jethro | jgrau: depends on the network file system sharing you choosed |
| 12:18.17 | jm_ | jgrau: you always use mount command for mounting |
| 12:18.28 | jgrau | SlayerCE TCP/IP |
| 12:18.56 | jgrau | jethro network file system? |
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| 12:19.19 | SlayerCE | jgrau: that's not a network file system. |
| 12:19.23 | jethro | jgrau: ya, smb/cifs, nfs, coda.. what are you using? |
| 12:19.28 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer_: No I full on understand the reasons and still think it is evil. The IRC is just a symptom of the more overreaching evil. |
| 12:19.44 | jgrau | jethro nfs sound familiar. |
| 12:19.51 | rdancer_ | there are many options to security, and it's noone else's business to dictate what my security policy should be (and that's the reason /watis rdancer reads ~root@... (well, dash-censored, because of the stupid irc ops). |
| 12:20.32 | zu22 | rdancer: yes but why invite lamers to attack your ip(s) by having nick of ~root? |
| 12:20.40 | jgrau | jethro so you mount a nfs device i would to mount -t nfs then? |
| 12:21.04 | rdancer_ | scarynetworkguy: the particular freesbie setup is stupid, as you typically *do* have some access rights to your harddisk and stuff, when using it. but in general, with just the cd-r as a media, it's reasonable. |
| 12:21.08 | jethro | jgrau: ya |
| 12:21.12 | rdancer_ | zu22: why not? |
| 12:21.22 | jethro | mount -t nfs ip:/path /mountpoint iirc |
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| 12:21.29 | jethro | man mount for more detailed info |
| 12:21.41 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer_: that's not the point. |
| 12:21.51 | jethro | jgrau: you need to have an nfs server on the host with the ip "ip" |
| 12:22.01 | jethro | and have /path one of the exported fs |
| 12:22.42 | jgrau | jethro ok thanx |
| 12:22.45 | rdancer_ | zu22: i haven't notice no lamer attacking me up to date. morover, it's behind the BT NAT as you can see, and the local adsl router NAT (zyxel 650 oops 8-)). and i have no listening ports. |
| 12:22.57 | jethro | jgrau: yw |
| 12:23.11 | jm_ | not yet anyway :P |
| 12:23.46 | rdancer_ | scarynetworkguy: well, so what *is* the point? (apart from ``oh, root! no no no! scares me! never root never! ugly!'' mantra...) |
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| 12:23.59 | jethro | rdancer_: it's a question of good habit |
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| 12:24.22 | jethro | lol |
| 12:24.26 | rdancer | s/escapes/avoids/ |
| 12:24.27 | jethro | amazing dodging skills |
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| 12:24.47 | rdancer | !kill catfather |
| 12:25.05 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: Let me make sure I'm understanding you. You are of the opnion that it doesn't matter if you are root or not if you don't have access to a harddrive right? |
| 12:25.32 | wizard | how can I find out how many links a file has? |
| 12:26.19 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: when compared to a user capable of sudo |
| 12:26.46 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: ...and actively using sudo. in other words, having root |
| 12:27.28 | Quag7 | Is there any way to disable these deeply irritating "New link Status: Disconnected" / Connected errors which occur because I'm using wireless? |
| 12:28.12 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: wtf? |
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| 12:29.58 | jgrau | has anyone been able to compile svgalib 1.9.x? |
| 12:30.00 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: i *am* the root on this machine. i use the user rdancer for unprivileged tasks. and i use sudo to run commands that need extra privileges. |
| 12:30.35 | sussudio | !irritate jgrau |
| 12:30.36 | dpkg | jgrau: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde plz msg me, atrus |
| 12:31.13 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: so then why are you ircing as root? |
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| 12:32.45 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: i am not. but not because of the remote attacks using irssi vulnerabilities. rather because there simply is no reason to do so. |
| 12:34.20 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: It comes back to the basic time tested principal that you should never ever do anything as root that you can do some other way. The concept of least privalige is not specific to IRC root irssi or computers but is a principal of all secruity everywhere. |
| 12:34.26 | zu22_ | when i open the hacked image on sco site in hex editor i see the word "Ducky" lol |
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| 12:34.48 | acetech | do i want the iptables enabled in the kernel and the iptables apt-get package? |
| 12:34.58 | jethro | acetech: ask yourself |
| 12:35.21 | Zap-W | is udev in the kernel? |
| 12:35.28 | acetech | jethro: im not sure of the two go together or conflict |
| 12:35.29 | Zap-W | or it's a userspace tool? |
| 12:35.45 | MobyTurbo | rdancer: no, it is our business - because it's lax security that leads to spam relays and the like. |
| 12:35.56 | jethro | acetech: there's a kernel side for iptables, and a userland tool too |
| 12:36.04 | Phated | zu22_: Seriously? :) |
| 12:36.04 | jm_ | Zap-W: go to udev page and read |
| 12:36.06 | jethro | acetech: so you prolly want both or none |
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| 12:36.18 | rdancer | MobyTurbo: you call my security policy lax? beg you pardon? |
| 12:36.19 | zu22_ | phated: yup :) right afte the JFIF etc.. |
| 12:36.23 | zu22_ | s/afte/after |
| 12:36.24 | Phated | zu22_: Heh. |
| 12:36.27 | Zap-W | and how do i increse sample rate for my USB mice |
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| 12:36.52 | MobyTurbo | rdancer: running everything as root unless you "need to otherwise" is lax. |
| 12:37.03 | J_P | hey all, exist anyone software for initialize Wm(blackbox for example) without login and password in linux boot ? |
| 12:37.11 | MobyTurbo | rdancer: it doesn't even deserve the name "security policy" |
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| 12:37.24 | PerfDave | J_P: What for? |
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| 12:37.47 | zu22_ | !greet tarzeau |
| 12:37.55 | Phated | zu22_: Heh. |
| 12:38.06 | zu22_ | :P |
| 12:38.08 | J_P | PerfDave: for me start one software automaticly! |
| 12:38.12 | rdancer | MobyTurbo: there isn't a "need to otherwise" when running as root |
| 12:38.23 | Hammar | when calling capiinit insmod tells me that there are "unresolved symbols" in /lib/modules/...../isdn/avmb1/c4.o | what does that mean? |
| 12:38.35 | Hammar | sorry, newbie ^^ |
| 12:38.47 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: but, since the rdancer effectively *has* root privileges (using the sudo command), the least priviliges paradigm argument is non sequitur |
| 12:38.54 | MobyTurbo | rdancer: I can't decide whether you are ignorant or dumb. Probably both. |
| 12:39.05 | rdancer | MobyTurbo: you are. thank you. |
| 12:39.15 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: which is why any any sudo is evil. |
| 12:39.26 | tarzeau | hi zu22_, what's up? |
| 12:39.44 | acetech | if i am setting up iptables is it safe to assume that i do not want anything related to ipchains? |
| 12:39.49 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: sudo is good on a multiuser system that needs junior admins. |
| 12:39.51 | zu22 | tarzeau: i'm entering the ways of LISP via sbcl |
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| 12:39.58 | jm_ | ahh yes, failed to notice it, I have passed one year of running X server |
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| 12:40.24 | J_P | PerfDave: anyone idea ? |
| 12:40.24 | MobyTurbo | acetech: yes |
| 12:40.34 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i like to call it sudont heh |
| 12:40.49 | acetech | MobyTurbo: ok, thanks |
| 12:40.52 | zu22 | s/dondelelcaro/scarynetworkguy |
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| 12:41.09 | Phated | jm_: Wot, no aniversary party? |
| 12:41.21 | rdancer | MobyTurbo: no, it isn't. |
| 12:41.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: what you been up to lately? |
| 12:41.39 | zu22 | jm_: uptime? |
| 12:41.41 | scarynetworkguy | zu22: it has it's place but not in a any any sort of thing. |
| 12:42.06 | jm_ | Phated: well I missed it over the weekend (this is at work) |
| 12:42.17 | jm_ | zu22: 367d:0:33 now |
| 12:42.21 | zu22 | scarynetworkguy: laziness is one of the great threats to security eh? |
| 12:42.30 | tarzeau | zu22: working on a new gnustep live cd... |
| 12:42.32 | zu22 | jm_: wowsers |
| 12:42.33 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: yes. which is why it's so widely recommended. let's recap the secure alternatives: secure-access-key (SAK isn't a real SAK, in linux) -> new getty spawned -> login as a user with userid 0 (can have multiple users => multiple passwords). have dedicated users for remote ssh access, following the same SAK -> getty procedure. any other options? |
| 12:42.38 | tarzeau | zu22: i got musickit to "work |
| 12:42.45 | Phated | jm_: Ah well. :) |
| 12:42.47 | tarzeau | zu22: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/musickit/ for screenshots |
| 12:43.07 | zu22 | tarzeau: neat, have u seen www.sco.com <-- pwn3d :) |
| 12:43.19 | tarzeau | zu22: yep i have seen that! funny |
| 12:43.28 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: it depends are we talking about using sudo the way it was meant to be used or the way the ubuntu tards use it? |
| 12:43.35 | zu22 | tarzeau: if u open the file u see the word "Ducky" heh |
| 12:43.41 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: define both ways? |
| 12:43.44 | twylyte | How do I start an X server from another one (not console)? startx tells me that I'm not authorized to run an X server. |
| 12:43.57 | PerfDave | J_P: I don't use blackbox, sorry |
| 12:43.58 | rdancer | twylyte: eh, use... sudo |
| 12:44.06 | zu22 | tarzeau: i finally played around with knoppix and ubuntu |
| 12:44.35 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: like, no command wildcards, right? |
| 12:44.54 | twylyte | rdancer: lol... no way without dirty tricks? |
| 12:44.57 | Phated | Talk about making a grown man cry. |
| 12:45.14 | rdancer | twylyte: login on console^^ |
| 12:45.15 | J_P | PerfDave: blackbox is only one example, but can are qny WM.. where i set any Wm for start withou login.. |
| 12:45.26 | twylyte | rdancer: I mean, from console that't no problem, so why from X? |
| 12:45.35 | Guerin | that sco.com pwnage is a pro job |
| 12:45.36 | MobyTurbo | twylyte: are you talking about running more than one X server at once? xnest. |
| 12:45.41 | Guerin | that logo is seamless |
| 12:45.41 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: right giving a user the rights to run one command as root and no others. That is good. Basically letting them be root by using sudo is evil. |
| 12:45.51 | zu22 | guerin: alan cox? ;) |
| 12:46.00 | Guerin | zu22: naw, a graphic artist |
| 12:46.01 | rdancer | !alan |
| 12:46.06 | zu22 | guerin: oh ya heh |
| 12:46.06 | rdancer | !ac |
| 12:46.06 | dpkg | i heard ac is Mike L Kesl or another tyler or Alan Cox, or an anonymous coward, or alternating current, or air conditioning |
| 12:46.14 | twylyte | MobyTurbo: thanks, I'll have a look at that |
| 12:46.24 | PerfDave | J_P: Depends on the login manager you're using, surely? |
| 12:46.28 | SlayerCE | Alan snores impressively |
| 12:46.33 | PerfDave | J_P: You can configure KDE for automatic login, for example. |
| 12:46.37 | Phated | You've shared a bed with him, SlayerCE? |
| 12:46.48 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: i mean, i simply need UID 0 rights more then often, for various sysadmin things |
| 12:46.50 | MobyTurbo | twylyte: that would be on one screen of course, to run multiple Xs on different virtual terminals is something else. |
| 12:47.00 | Phated | PerfDave: In that case, probably kdm would do it? |
| 12:47.05 | rdancer | twylyte: sudo startx -- :1 |
| 12:47.06 | SlayerCE | Phated: he's stayed at my house, he snores very loudly indeed |
| 12:47.07 | mwilson | rdancer: Then you're doing something wrong. |
| 12:47.13 | Phated | SlayerCE: Fascinating. |
| 12:47.24 | PerfDave | Phated: Yes, I meant to say KDM, sorry. |
| 12:47.39 | Phated | SlayerCE: Now you do know that if he every stops snoring that you're going to need to rush in and save the man. :) |
| 12:47.46 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 12:47.47 | Phated | PerfDave: Well don't tell me, tell J_P. :) |
| 12:47.49 | asuffield | why? let him die |
| 12:48.00 | smb | OPTIONS=number_pad |
| 12:48.00 | smb | OPTIONS=time |
| 12:48.00 | smb | OPTIONS=showscore |
| 12:48.00 | smb | OPTIONS=showexp |
| 12:48.00 | smb | #OPTIONS=noautopickup |
| 12:48.00 | smb | OPTIONS=pickup_types:=$! |
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| 12:48.01 | PerfDave | J_P: You can configure kdm for automatic login. |
| 12:48.07 | Guerin | asuffield: that's cold |
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| 12:48.18 | rdancer | debhelper: ping |
| 12:48.18 | SlayerCE | !moron smb |
| 12:48.19 | dpkg | smb: You are moron #88 |
| 12:48.21 | Phated | Eh, nethack? #nethack, smb. |
| 12:48.27 | twylyte | MobyTurbo: well, I want another vt. The point is, why does it work from console but not from X? |
| 12:48.38 | rdancer | debhelper lags hard |
| 12:48.53 | smb | sorry guys, X is having a fit... |
| 12:48.58 | smb | brb |
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| 12:49.11 | Phated | Heh, X is having a fit. Lovely mental image. |
| 12:49.24 | smb | btw, thanks SlayerCE .... |
| 12:49.32 | SlayerCE | my pleasure. |
| 12:49.35 | MobyTurbo | twylyte: I don't know. |
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| 12:49.51 | MobyTurbo | twylyte: just do the way that *does* work |
| 12:49.54 | rdancer | mwilson: editing config files comes to mind |
| 12:49.54 | coywolf | i'm using sid, should i often run apt-get upgrade to keep up to the latest ? |
| 12:50.05 | jm_ | twylyte: have a look at Xwrapper.config |
| 12:50.09 | SlayerCE | coywolf: if you're using sid, you can answer that question yourself. |
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| 12:50.39 | rdancer | !tell coywolf about sid |
| 12:50.41 | GrInCh | Hey all |
| 12:50.42 | sussudio | SlayerCE: ignore the fucktard |
| 12:50.47 | coywolf | SlayerCE, plz tell me directly |
| 12:51.14 | china | apt: |
| 12:51.14 | Guerin | !plz |
| 12:51.14 | dpkg | [plz] german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 12:51.15 | SlayerCE | sussudio: of which fucktard do you speak? |
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| 12:51.31 | SlayerCE | coywolf: no, you can't make me. |
| 12:51.32 | china | apt: apt-br? |
| 12:51.40 | apt | [apt-br] my brazilian brother, and you can meet him at #debian-br... If he's online, because it's rare! :) |
| 12:51.40 | sussudio | SlayerCE: coywolf, he just enters random channels on several networks and does /amsg crapcrapcrap |
| 12:51.40 | Phated | SlayerCE: The one you spoke to before sussudio did. |
| 12:51.40 | twylyte | jm_: hey, that looks like a solution... thanks! |
| 12:51.44 | SlayerCE | ahh right |
| 12:51.47 | rdancer | coywolf: n10 3gs <-- my plc |
| 12:51.50 | jm_ | twylyte: don't change it manually like the file says! |
| 12:51.55 | markus__ | Hi. In a NIS-served network, I'd like to add all NIS-users to client-local groups such as "floppy" and "cdrom". How can I do that? (Changing the MINGID-value on the NIS-server to spread the groups to all NIS-clients is not an option, as the clients are different OS's...) |
| 12:52.07 | china | apt: nvidia? |
| 12:52.08 | apt | well, nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
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| 12:52.34 | china | apt: china? |
| 12:52.35 | apt | it has been said that china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays |
| 12:52.46 | Phated | Good lord go play with it in /msg. |
| 12:52.48 | zu22 | !slay china |
| 12:52.57 | Phated | Yeah that works too, |
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| 12:53.14 | china | apt: kudzu? |
| 12:53.15 | apt | i heard kudzu is redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit |
| 12:53.21 | rdancer | !tell china about /msg |
| 12:53.30 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 12:53.30 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat Tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 12:53.35 | Compound-4 | Hi all |
| 12:53.54 | coywolf | rdancer, n10 3gs <-- my plc ???? |
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| 12:54.06 | J_P | PerfDave: i like do this with startx/xdm/xfree86 withou start gtk/qt libs |
| 12:54.46 | twylyte | jm_: you mean the upgrade issue? |
| 12:55.11 | coywolf | SlayerCE, i don't know why sussudio always try to piss me off :( Phated |
| 12:55.27 | Phated | Eh. |
| 12:55.37 | Phated | Now why was my nick in that statement. |
| 12:55.37 | SlayerCE | coywolf: you've made it abundantly clear |
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| 12:55.51 | SlayerCE | Phated: maybe he fancies you |
| 12:55.55 | coywolf | Phated, how often do you run upgrade when you use sid? |
| 12:55.57 | Phated | SlayerCE: Spare me. |
| 12:56.04 | Phated | coywolf: I run dist-upgrade. |
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| 12:56.24 | Guerin | coywolf: I run it anything between daily and every few months |
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| 12:56.29 | asuffield | or maybe he's just a lunatic stalker |
| 12:56.29 | jm_ | twylyte: no, about debconf |
| 12:56.31 | Guerin | depending on many factors |
| 12:56.34 | Guerin | like the weather |
| 12:56.40 | coywolf | SlayerCE, yes, i fancy Phated :p |
| 12:56.42 | Guerin | and how much beer I've had |
| 12:56.45 | acetech | where in the kernel options is config-packet? |
| 12:56.46 | Guerin | ...A |
| 12:56.51 | Phated | I dunno mine seems to get done once every n days. |
| 12:56.58 | rdancer | acetech: networking? |
| 12:57.00 | Phated | coywolf: I can -see-, you know. |
| 12:57.01 | PerfDave | J_P: *shrug* Don't know how to do it with xdm, because I don't use it. I use kdm and I know it's possible with kdm. |
| 12:57.22 | J_P | PerfDave: ok, thanks! |
| 12:57.23 | rdancer | acetech: google should tell ya |
| 12:57.30 | Phated | xdm doesn't do very much beyond starting up X on boot if you have it, I believe. |
| 12:57.32 | acetech | rdancer, i looked in every spot through networking for something beginning with config |
| 12:57.42 | acetech | rdancer, i tried googling for it too |
| 12:58.04 | Ancillius | is apt correct in answering lol? IMHO does lol is stands for not gramatically correct either? |
| 12:58.06 | rdancer | acetech: everything in make *config begins with CONFIG_ |
| 12:58.19 | coywolf | Guerin, what's the differences b/w dist-upgrade and upgrade, i recall i ran upgrade to upgrade to sid from wood, am i wrong? |
| 12:58.34 | Guerin | coywolf: man apt-get |
| 12:58.36 | twylyte | why can't I chvt from X to a vt as a normal user? |
| 12:58.43 | Guerin | coywolf: why the FUCK are you using sid? |
| 12:58.49 | acetech | rdancer, so the module in make xconfig would not say the config in front of it? |
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| 13:00.03 | coywolf | Guerin, i'm kernel hacker :( |
| 13:00.17 | jethro | OMG |
| 13:00.18 | Phated | And yet you don't know how often you should update sid? |
| 13:00.19 | jethro | a hacker |
| 13:00.24 | Phated | I fear for my kernels. |
| 13:00.27 | jethro | I m sure coywolf is responsible for what happened to sco |
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| 13:00.30 | MobyTurbo | coywolf: what does that have to do with running sid? |
| 13:00.34 | Guerin | coywolf: then these things should be trivial for you to learn. |
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| 13:00.49 | Phated | jethro: Those would be crackers actually, if we were going to be grammar Nazis. |
| 13:01.02 | jethro | Phated: I was waiting for such a comment actually :) |
| 13:01.02 | coywolf | MobyTurbo, i want to hack |
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| 13:01.43 | coywolf | you can see my name in bitkeeper site |
| 13:01.43 | Joanna | hi, I'm writing ramdisk driver and when I try to build file system on it using 'mkfs -t ext2 /dev/ram0' without defining a number of blocks I have many errors and I have to reboot... |
| 13:01.49 | Guerin | coywolf: alias hack="/usr/bin/man" ; hack it up large! |
| 13:01.51 | Ronin | ill ask, hack what? |
| 13:01.51 | coywolf | kerenl's changeset |
| 13:01.51 | Phated | jethro: Haha. Ah well. I'm horribly predictable, as it were. |
| 13:01.54 | Joanna | where shouls I define that number? |
| 13:02.00 | Guerin | coywolf: start with 'hack apt-get' |
| 13:02.13 | Phated | Oh I like the way this man thinks. |
| 13:02.18 | jethro | Phated: could've been others then you, you're just the faster :) |
| 13:02.29 | Phated | jethro: Well that's not so bad then. :) |
| 13:02.42 | rdancer | acetech: just edit the .config file. it's CONFIG_PACKET |
| 13:02.47 | coywolf | why can't I chvt from X to a vt as a normal user? |
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| 13:03.02 | jethro | :) |
| 13:03.21 | rdancer | acetech: grep -A30 ^CONFIG_PACKET$ /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Configure.help for help. |
| 13:03.22 | MobyTurbo | coywolf: control-alt-F# |
| 13:03.30 | coywolf | SlayerCE, i fancy Phated so much |
| 13:03.45 | coywolf | MobyTurbo, sometime ctrl-alt-f not work |
| 13:03.56 | twylyte | MobyTurbo: from a script? |
| 13:04.05 | Phated | Someone prevent me from hurling the heaviest paperweight I can find at this idiot's head. |
| 13:04.14 | coywolf | MobyTurbo, sometimes ctrl-alt-f not work, such as in vmware, or script |
| 13:04.18 | Ronin | i say go for it coywolf |
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| 13:04.24 | Ronin | umm Phated i mean |
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| 13:04.42 | mwilson | Phated: No, we all want to watch! |
| 13:04.44 | MobyTurbo | twylyte: not that way |
| 13:04.51 | Phated | Ronin: Hehe. You just reeeally narrowly avoided the second-heaviest paperweight you know. :) |
| 13:04.57 | rdancer | Phated: go! go! go! go! |
| 13:04.59 | Phated | mwilson: Oh really? In that case I shan't hold back. |
| 13:05.03 | Ronin | i blame the lack of coffee on that one Phated |
| 13:05.17 | Phated | Oh geez all of you are a bunch of sick sadists. STOP hanging out with perfdave! |
| 13:05.28 | Phated | Oh dear he's still here. |
| 13:06.04 | Guerin | rdancer: so that's why you irc as root |
| 13:06.09 | zu22 | rdancer: we knew that by your insistence on ircing as root |
| 13:06.10 | Phated | I repeat. Stop hanging out with PerfDave. |
| 13:06.15 | zu22 | Guerin: we are of one mind :) |
| 13:06.20 | coywolf | Phated, should i send you my pics? |
| 13:06.30 | Guerin | zu22: I don't know whether I should be scared, or you should. |
| 13:06.31 | Phated | Can I call in helix now? |
| 13:06.31 | idnar | he's ircing as ~r--t, not root ;) |
| 13:06.37 | zu22 | guerin: heh |
| 13:07.04 | rdancer | btw, who said root was UID 0 here...? |
| 13:07.29 | Guerin | rdancer: isn't root always UID 0 |
| 13:07.32 | Guerin | </naive> |
| 13:07.41 | Phated | Guerin: He should. That amount of alcohol you take in would kill anyone but you. |
| 13:07.42 | rdancer | Guerin: muhehehehe! |
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| 13:07.52 | idnar | !win me |
| 13:07.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, idnar! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:08.03 | Guerin | Phated: hah. |
| 13:08.11 | Phated | "Muhehehehe"? |
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| 13:08.17 | idnar | "my changing"? |
| 13:08.24 | idnar | someone has a bug in their virus |
| 13:08.27 | Phated | Guerin: L( |
| 13:08.31 | Phated | Uhm. :) |
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| 13:08.41 | Guerin | i haven't had a drink in nearly 36 hours |
| 13:08.43 | rich_ | hi |
| 13:08.45 | Guerin | truly! |
| 13:08.55 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, RIGHT! |
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| 13:09.13 | Guerin | Phated: no, I promise it's true |
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| 13:09.21 | Phated | I find it hard to believe your body can live without the customary 5% blood alcohol. :) |
| 13:09.24 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I've had a drink in the past ten minutes. <points to soda bottle.> |
| 13:09.26 | Guerin | about 4am on sunday morninf |
| 13:09.30 | Phated | Guerin: Oh all right. |
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| 13:09.42 | coywolf | anyone want to change pics with me? |
| 13:09.42 | rdancer | Guerin: s/alcohol/`head -1 ~Guerin/favourite_substances`/ |
| 13:09.44 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: well, I have orange juice |
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| 13:10.09 | sussudio | "You have moderator access and 5 points (expire on 2004-12-01). Welcome to those of you just joining: please read the moderator guidelines for instructions." |
| 13:10.17 | sussudio | flamebait flamebait flamebait troll troll |
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| 13:10.23 | Phated | /.? |
| 13:10.28 | sussudio | y |
| 13:10.29 | Guerin | coywolf: yeah: http://feayn.org/~lewis/why_i_am_glad_i_dont_have_a_korean_bank_account.jpg |
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| 13:10.33 | rdancer | sussudio: ? |
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| 13:10.39 | rdancer | aha |
| 13:10.41 | Phated | Nice. |
| 13:10.43 | glick | excuse me php5 isnt in debian testing yet? |
| 13:10.51 | Guerin | sussudio: kickban kickban, oooh, it's a kickban |
| 13:10.52 | coywolf | Phated, this is me http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6/search/?expr=coywolf&search=ChangeSet+comments |
| 13:10.56 | sussudio | i haven't used modpoints the last 5 times or so |
| 13:10.56 | rdancer | glick: no |
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| 13:11.11 | Phated | I'm not looking, I'm not looking. |
| 13:11.12 | glick | rdancer, is it in unstable? |
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| 13:11.28 | rdancer | glick: maybe experimental? |
| 13:11.34 | Phated | Guerin: It astounds me. You need alcohol stat, your body obviously can't handle the lack of it. :) |
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| 13:11.37 | sussudio | any message with the word 'badger' gets +1 informative |
| 13:11.37 | Guerin | no, it's not |
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| 13:11.46 | Guerin | Phated: naw, I'm doing ok. |
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| 13:11.49 | glick | hmm how come? |
| 13:12.00 | Phated | Guerin: You sure? |
| 13:12.00 | zu22 | guerin: haha, "hey where is all my money?!" |
| 13:12.13 | Guerin | !qotd19 |
| 13:12.13 | dpkg | somebody said qotd19 was <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 13:12.17 | coywolf | Guerin, this is me http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6/search/?expr=coywolf&search=ChangeSet+comments |
| 13:12.20 | Guerin | Phated: positive |
| 13:12.25 | Phated | Guerin: Wonderful. |
| 13:12.26 | coywolf | jethro, ^^ |
| 13:12.28 | Guerin | coywolf: that's not a picture |
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| 13:12.48 | SlayerCE | brrr |
| 13:12.51 | SlayerCE | chilly |
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| 13:13.04 | coywolf | SlayerCE, see my name in kernel bitkeeper? |
| 13:13.09 | Guerin | coywolf: anyway, I don't care if you're a kernel haxx0r. You can't RTFM, and you ask the most amazingly moronic questions. What gives? |
| 13:13.28 | coywolf | Guerin, :( true |
| 13:13.36 | Phated | rdancer: Like which? |
| 13:13.43 | coywolf | Guerin, i learn |
| 13:13.48 | zanne | I need some wlan help on my knoppix installation. Anybody who knows where to go? |
| 13:13.50 | Guerin | coywolf: if you can learn to code in c and haxx the kernel, you should be able to learn how to rtfm, right? |
| 13:13.54 | rdancer | ~dict badger |
| 13:14.04 | Guerin | zanne: #knoppix |
| 13:14.04 | rdancer | !dict badger |
| 13:14.06 | dpkg | Dictionary 'badger' (4 shown; 8 total): annoy persistently; "The children teased the boy because of his stammer" ;; sturdy carnivorous burrowing mammal with strong claws widely distributed in the northern hemisphere ;; 2. A brush made of badgers' hair, used by artists. ;; persuade through constant efforts. |
| 13:14.12 | zanne | Okay... |
| 13:14.14 | SlayerCE | coywolf: yes, so? |
| 13:14.33 | rdancer | Phated: #2^^ |
| 13:14.41 | *** part/#debian zanne (~zanne@0x50c60a5a.hrnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 13:14.48 | MobyTurbo | that's funny, I've been to several places in the Northern Hemisphere without seeing strong badger claws. |
| 13:14.52 | Phated | rdancer: Hahahaha. |
| 13:15.00 | coywolf | sussudio, you see my name in kernel changeset? why you still piss me off? |
| 13:15.09 | Phated | Ah yes Webster... |
| 13:15.10 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:15.33 | Phated | coywolf: You do know that the fact that you're an absolute moron isn't mitigated by the fact that your name is on the kernel changeset. |
| 13:15.36 | coywolf | i'm was a ban evader before, not now you bitch sussudio |
| 13:15.42 | SlayerCE | coywolf: do you know how many thousands of emails I've sent over the past 10 years giving free support to users of various open source projects? |
| 13:15.44 | PerfDave | Phated: Why do you blame me for other people's perversions? |
| 13:15.55 | zu22 | sussudio: ph3ar his kernel h@xx0rz p0w3rz! |
| 13:15.56 | Phated | PerfDave: Because they all hang out with you too much, dearie. |
| 13:16.01 | zu22 | sussudio: ;) |
| 13:16.03 | rdancer | Phated: it goes like ``foobar: n so. who foobars;; vt to do something foobary;; etc.'' |
| 13:16.12 | PerfDave | Phated: You hang out with me too much. What does this tell us? |
| 13:16.15 | Phated | rdancer: Yes, I get the idea. :) |
| 13:16.16 | Guerin | PerfDave hasn't made me any more perverted than I already was |
| 13:16.20 | Phated | PerfDave: That I'm a perv, of course. |
| 13:16.21 | coywolf | SlayerCE, so, don't believe bitch sussudio |
| 13:16.24 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 13:16.24 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 13:16.27 | Phated | Guerin: You are unchangable. :) |
| 13:16.45 | PerfDave | Phated: And there was me thinking you were an innocent schoolgirl ;p |
| 13:16.47 | Phated | Hey you know I think we can safely say he's descended into being abusive, can we !ops now? |
| 13:16.49 | glick | what do i need for apache to be able to use php5 and mysql, some special apache mods or something? |
| 13:16.56 | mtnman | coywolf: judging from your behavior, you would like to be banned again. |
| 13:16.57 | Phated | PerfDave: Oh puh-lease. I'm about as innocent as you are. |
| 13:16.59 | glick | or just apache, php, and mysql? |
| 13:17.02 | Guerin | glick: why would you want to? |
| 13:17.18 | PerfDave | Phated: Maybe I just like to think of you as an innocent schoolgirl ;) |
| 13:17.18 | glick | Guerin, web development |
| 13:17.31 | Guerin | PerfDave: too much anime for you, sunshine. |
| 13:17.33 | sussudio | mtnman: he's still banned. he just has a dynamic ip. |
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| 13:17.44 | SlayerCE | coywolf: I don't want your respecrt |
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| 13:17.46 | SlayerCE | respect |
| 13:17.49 | Phated | PerfDave: Oooh that was a VERY smooth line. |
| 13:17.56 | Guerin | glick: what's wrong with php4? |
| 13:18.08 | glick | Guerin, php5 has OOP support |
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| 13:18.13 | Guerin | glick: so? |
| 13:18.17 | jugones | sergio |
| 13:18.18 | zu22 | Phated: i suspect he has a Sailor Moon outfit already picked out for you. BE VERY AFRAID :) |
| 13:18.18 | bob2 | coywolf: stop being a dick |
| 13:18.20 | glick | Guerin, i like OOP |
| 13:18.23 | bob2 | everyone stop trolling coywolf |
| 13:18.26 | bob2 | kthx |
| 13:18.27 | jugones | mariconess |
| 13:18.29 | Phated | zu22: Good lord. |
| 13:18.35 | rdancer | !kthx |
| 13:18.38 | Guerin | glick: isn't python OOP? |
| 13:18.39 | jugones | y tus mueertos?? |
| 13:18.44 | glick | Guerin, it is |
| 13:18.45 | jugones | stupid |
| 13:18.45 | PerfDave | Guerin: Bah, I don't watch anime. |
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| 13:18.52 | bob2 | jugones: obviously this isn't a spanish channel |
| 13:18.53 | Phated | SlayerCE: How old -are- you? |
| 13:18.54 | zu22 | SlayerCE: Luke, I'm your father! |
| 13:18.55 | Guerin | PerfDave: that's a relief |
| 13:18.55 | jugones | a mi en esoaņol |
| 13:19.00 | Phated | PerfDave: Tentacle pr0n counts, I think. |
| 13:19.01 | bob2 | jugones: you can tell because everyone is speaking english |
| 13:19.03 | rdancer | !spanish |
| 13:19.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:19.04 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 13:19.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:19.10 | SlayerCE | Phated: 31 in 22 days time |
| 13:19.17 | ackron_ | does anyone now a good tool preferable bootable from cdrom to backup a AIX pSeries server and a Sun Solaris to a remote Linux Machine |
| 13:19.18 | sussudio | -!- 217 - #debian: ban *!*@218.24.162.104 [by asimov.freenode.net, 4871705 secs ago] |
| 13:19.24 | jugones | q paxaaaaa |
| 13:19.26 | MobyTurbo | gmta |
| 13:19.26 | sussudio | bob2: make his ban wider then. |
