| 00:00.16 | Seb | heh |
| 00:00.20 | sussudio | i must've missed the caphuso and tintin comics |
| 00:00.23 | lunaphyte | off-topic - opinions on using courier-imap vs. cyrus imap testing packages? |
| 00:00.30 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: hergé is from belgium, not france, IIRC |
| 00:00.31 | lunaphyte | i remember asterix & obelix! |
| 00:00.40 | Seb | lunaphyte: i like courier |
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| 00:00.44 | Seb | caphuso: correct |
| 00:01.04 | Knight_Lord | caphuso Asterix is actually french? |
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| 00:01.27 | Seb | sure. Although irrc one the 2 cartoonists might be from belgium |
| 00:01.31 | Seb | iirc |
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| 00:02.02 | mirak | I need an hint |
| 00:02.18 | mirak | when I try to run esd, esd says /dev/dsp: no such device |
| 00:02.28 | Knight_Lord | mirak wrong sound drivers |
| 00:02.29 | mirak | I mean what must I do to enable this device ???? |
| 00:02.33 | Seb | mirak: you need to insert the module corresponding to your soundcard |
| 00:02.34 | Knight_Lord | Seb indeed both french |
| 00:02.49 | mirak | I have a sblive 5.1 ! |
| 00:02.54 | Seb | Knight_Lord: ah ok |
| 00:02.55 | mirak | the module is emu10k1 |
| 00:03.00 | Sandman | make-kpkg kernel_image, then I installed it. But it didn't redirect /vmlinuz, isn't that supposed to be done automatically? Also, how do I know if it's an initrd kernel or not? |
| 00:03.01 | Seb | mirak: nah, sblive |
| 00:03.11 | [ZACK] | Hey, I am running UBUNTU and I would like to add the debian sources to my sources.list, does anyone have a list of the sources that i need to download ALL programs from DEBIAN> |
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| 00:03.25 | sussudio | [ZACK]: #ubuntu |
| 00:03.31 | mirak | Seb: FATAL: Module sblive not found. |
| 00:03.36 | Knight_Lord | [ZACK] what do you mean by all the programs? |
| 00:03.46 | Knight_Lord | mirak modconf might be your friend |
| 00:03.47 | Seb | mirak: might be a _ somewhere, or I might not remember right |
| 00:03.54 | Seb | mirak: but you do need another module than the emu... one |
| 00:03.56 | mirak | [ZACK]: I think you should do that |
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| 00:04.19 | mirak | Seb: well I used this one on mandrake |
| 00:04.25 | mirak | I don't understand what's wrong |
| 00:04.31 | Knight_Lord | My brilliant chess program just lost 0-25 against gnuchess |
| 00:04.31 | pau4o | can someone help me about sound in chrooted enviroment? |
| 00:04.32 | mirak | i am willing to try anything |
| 00:04.37 | Vyrus001 | yo... i have a laptop with svideo out off a ati 340M vid card and i want to hook it up to my tv but i have no idea how to do this... i have booted with tv hoocked up and no diffrance... can sombody help ? |
| 00:04.41 | mirak | [ZACK]: I think you should NOT do that |
| 00:04.57 | Knight_Lord | pau4o sound in chrooted? is that even possible? |
| 00:05.13 | pau4o | it hink so Knight_Lord |
| 00:05.18 | [ZACK] | #Ubuntu told me to come here. On knoppix you can use apt-get and download alot of things. On UBUNTU, you are limited. I would like to be able to apt-get and get a wider selection of programs |
| 00:05.25 | Seb | mirak: as I said, you might not have noticed on mandrake, but you need another module |
| 00:05.29 | Seb | mirak: run modconf |
| 00:05.37 | Seb | mirak: alternatively ask google for module linux sblive |
| 00:05.56 | Knight_Lord | mirak yea run modconf and start playing with inserting random modules :-P |
| 00:06.01 | Seb | heh |
| 00:06.09 | JDahl | is there an irc channel for kernel developers? |
| 00:06.25 | mirak | well I must admit something |
| 00:06.26 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I have all modules loaded and can produse sound via cat ~/somefile > /dev/dsp :-) |
| 00:06.30 | mirak | ok I won't |
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| 00:06.49 | Knight_Lord | pau4o this is from your chrooted shell? |
| 00:06.57 | pau4o | yes |
| 00:07.18 | Knight_Lord | pau4o does /dev/dsp exists inside the chroot root? |
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| 00:07.58 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, yes, it is [chroot-Sid] kmn@support:~$ ll /dev/dsp |
| 00:07.58 | pau4o | crw-rw---- 1 root 17 14, 3 ìàð 14 2002 /dev/dsp |
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| 00:09.19 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:09.20 | Usuario | I have errors while booting up is there a log for that screen or can I log that screen to read errors?\ |
| 00:09.20 | Knight_Lord | pau4o i can try to help but i don't really know. How did you create those devices? |
| 00:09.31 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, the problem is that I can't use mixer |
| 00:09.33 | nvz | kethinov: closest hit I can find anywhere on the web is a commercial driver and utility called TurboPrinter |
| 00:09.34 | Knight_Lord | Seb notice the use of "did you create" instead of created |
| 00:09.38 | helix | Usuario: type dmesg |
| 00:09.42 | Seb | Knight_Lord: hahahaha |
| 00:09.44 | Seb | Knight_Lord: :)) |
| 00:09.54 | nvz | kethinov: doesnt seem to be a whole lot of development for that old printer of yours |
| 00:10.00 | Seb | Knight_Lord: s/notice/note/ though ;D |
| 00:10.10 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I created it with instaling basefiles.tar with debootstrap |
| 00:10.12 | Usuario | helix: thanks |
| 00:10.37 | kethinov | nvz, i looked up the printer on linuxprinting.org and found a user comment talking about the driver having horrible defaults |
| 00:10.45 | Knight_Lord | pau4o I wonder how will the kernel know about them. This is over my head :-P |
| 00:10.45 | kethinov | nvz, i made the changes that user suggested |
| 00:10.51 | kethinov | nvz, there is considerable quality improvement |
| 00:10.57 | Knight_Lord | pau4o what kernel version by the way? |
| 00:11.00 | kethinov | nvz, but i would still like to find a way to do the head cleaning |
| 00:11.06 | nvz | kethinov: yeah I read some funny things on there about those printers too |
| 00:11.15 | Knight_Lord | pau4o why do you say it's a mixer problem? |
| 00:11.27 | nvz | kethinov: says they have a "wasted ink bin" and the firmware on the printer shuts it down |
| 00:11.31 | mirak | Seb: le module c'est bien emu10k1 |
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| 00:12.11 | FieldySnuts | son of ass |
| 00:12.12 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, this is my supposition |
| 00:12.19 | nvz | kethinov: that TurboPrinter seems to support your model, and says it provides a driver and a utility that aligns and cleans cartridges and stuff.. its like $30 though. |
| 00:12.20 | kethinov | nvz, i'll look into the commercial driver. but i'm probably just going to write this one off. the quality improvement gained from that user's tweaks is imho acceptable |
| 00:12.32 | Knight_Lord | pau4o what error do you get when you cat? |
| 00:12.32 | Seb | mirak: ok, and so did this module insert successfully ? |
| 00:12.44 | mirak | Seb: yes ! |
| 00:12.48 | Knight_Lord | Seb i'll try harder next time |
| 00:12.51 | nvz | kethinov: yeah that linuxprinting.org is a good resource.. if you plan to buy a printer, consult that site first |
| 00:12.53 | mirak | :-& |
| 00:12.56 | Seb | Knight_Lord: ;) |
| 00:13.06 | mirak | Seb: but I still don't have the dsp device |
| 00:13.07 | Seb | mirak: and ls -l /dev/dsp says no such file ? |
| 00:13.15 | kethinov | nvz, indeed. but in this case we're dealing with a windows to linux convert. no such hindsight :( |
| 00:13.17 | mirak | ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 00:13.17 | mirak | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2004-11-06 23:19 /dev/dsp |
| 00:13.22 | Seb | jesus |
| 00:13.23 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, when I do cat ~/somefile > /dev/dsp I hear strange noises |
| 00:13.28 | Seb | adduser youruser audio |
| 00:13.31 | Seb | log out, log back in |
| 00:13.36 | Knight_Lord | pau4o and how is that bad? |
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| 00:13.53 | nvz | kethinov: yeah its always good when you have well supported hardware, makes it a more enjoyable experience.. but most people dont have the oppertunity to plan ahead. |
| 00:13.54 | Knight_Lord | pau4o is somefile a .wav? |
| 00:13.57 | mirak | karim@mirak:~ $ id |
| 00:13.57 | mirak | uid=1000(karim) gid=1000(karim) groupes=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),103(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),1000(karim) |
| 00:14.04 | Knight_Lord | pau4o if you hear sound then it seems to be working |
| 00:14.08 | mirak | Seb: I am in the group audio already |
| 00:14.17 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, no, not a wav it is a usual file |
| 00:14.35 | Seb | mirak: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:14.35 | Knight_Lord | pau4o if it's a normal file noise is what one expects |
| 00:14.46 | kethinov | nvz, yep. for the most part its been a positive experience on this machine though. everything except their digital camera is supported. there isn't a driver for that at all and it won't mount as usb storage. but i expected less support |
| 00:14.49 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, yes, I know that |
| 00:14.58 | Knight_Lord | pau4o so what is the problem? |
| 00:15.11 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I just testing is it work |
| 00:15.16 | mirak | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:15.16 | mirak | bash: /dev/dsp: Aucun périphérique de ce type |
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| 00:15.36 | mirak | Seb: I honestly don't understand |
| 00:15.39 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, problem is that I acan't play files with xmms or other software |
| 00:15.43 | zodi | does apt-get'ing firefox kill mozilla ? |
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| 00:15.48 | Seb | mirak: me neither. YOu do have sound.o and friends loaded, right ? |
| 00:15.58 | Knight_Lord | pau4o ah that's a much smaller problem :-D |
| 00:16.17 | mirak | Seb: I can't past lsmod to you |
| 00:16.24 | MobyTurbo | zodi: no |
| 00:16.24 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, beleive me it is boring to do cat *.wav > /dev/dsp |
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| 00:16.32 | Knight_Lord | pau4o LOL |
| 00:16.32 | ompaul | pau4o you do have something like kmix installed? tends to to *nice* things |
| 00:16.33 | nvz | kethinov: well we have one pc here that has a 6-1 card reader, and our HP PSC 2175v also has one built-in so we can access our camera cards at least with either of those.. the HP PSC 2175v prints nice, and the card reader works.. and there are a few utils to interact with it.. but the scanner I havent managed to get working.. those HP PSCs differ alot from one model to the next |
| 00:16.34 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, ;-) |
| 00:16.38 | Seb | mirak: no you can't |
| 00:16.40 | NetTechie | where does apt-get put kernel-source? |
| 00:16.44 | Seb | mirak: lsmod | grep sound |
| 00:16.54 | Knight_Lord | pau4o looks like xmms is not finding the correct device |
| 00:17.04 | Knight_Lord | pau4o i'm assuming xmms is also inside the chroot |
| 00:17.05 | mirak | Seb: where do I show the result ? |
| 00:17.14 | Seb | mirak: that should only be one line |
| 00:17.18 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, yes all in croot |
| 00:17.23 | ompaul | brb |
| 00:17.29 | NetTechie | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 where did it put it? nvidia drivers need it |
| 00:17.31 | Knight_Lord | pau4o the error from xmms is no output device found? |
| 00:17.31 | mirak | Seb: huh no there is 10 lines |
| 00:17.35 | jetscreamer | hey wtf can i do with a k6-2/350 (that it would do well) |
| 00:17.41 | Knight_Lord | pau4o is it using alsa output? |
| 00:17.44 | Seb | mirak: with | grep sound ? |
| 00:17.45 | mirak | Seb: sorry just one |
| 00:17.48 | nvz | kethinov: ink costs more than a cheap printer anymore anyhow.. for the price you pay for ink you could probably buy 3 new printers. |
| 00:17.48 | mirak | root@mirak:/home/karim # lsmod | grep sound |
| 00:17.48 | mirak | soundcore 9824 2 snd,bttv |
| 00:18.01 | Seb | mirak: k, you wouldn't be running alsa at the same time, by any chance ? |
| 00:18.05 | Seb | mirak: lsmod | grep snd |
| 00:18.09 | nvz | kethinov: would have to consult linuxprinting.org and maybe pricewatch.com or something.. but its possible |
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| 00:18.16 | mirak | Seb: on this one there is ten lines |
| 00:18.22 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I don't know |
| 00:18.22 | Seb | mirak: so you're running alsa |
| 00:18.35 | Seb | mirak: make up your mind bro, either OSSS or alsa (with OSS emulation) |
| 00:18.38 | Seb | OSS |
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| 00:18.46 | kethinov | nvz, lol probably. personally i hate the whole concept of printing. i have never found it necessary to do so outside of college |
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| 00:18.53 | mirak | Seb: what ? |
| 00:18.57 | Knight_Lord | pau4o can you check the output plugin from xmms? |
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| 00:19.10 | Knight_Lord | pau4o can you also use a simpler program like mpg123 to test? |
| 00:19.11 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, lsmod tell me that all modules is oss |
| 00:19.20 | mirak | kethinov: gutemberg is turning himself in his grave |
| 00:19.22 | MrPoopyPants | Im trying to apt-build gnome, and it freezes after it says xfree86-common and xlibs-data dont need to be rebuilt |
| 00:19.22 | Seb | mirak: /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
| 00:19.29 | Seb | mirak: you can't run alsa and oss at the same time |
| 00:19.33 | MrPoopyPants | I beg for help in a most pathetic manner |
| 00:19.38 | hDy | hey guys, would debian run well on a 150mhz box? |
| 00:19.38 | kethinov | mirak, long live digital documents! |
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| 00:19.44 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, ok I'll apt-get it in a moment |
| 00:19.50 | MrPoopyPants | I would REALLY like 3dnow mmx sse and sse2 extensions enabled in gnome |
| 00:19.56 | MrPoopyPants | it makes it run super duper fast |
| 00:19.57 | sussudio | hDy: yesnomaybebadgerllama |
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| 00:20.01 | toresbe | Hey guys |
| 00:20.02 | mirak | kethinov: as long as you have good eyes and a good screen |
| 00:20.04 | toresbe | $ talk fu86 |
| 00:20.06 | toresbe | uh |
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| 00:20.16 | mirak | Seb: so how can I shut down OSS ? |
| 00:20.44 | hDy | sussudio, thank you for the straight forward answer :) |
| 00:20.46 | hDy | heh |
| 00:20.56 | cafuego_ | MrPoopyPants: Especially on Pentium 2, 3 and classic machines. |
| 00:21.04 | nvz | kethinov: yeah I dont do much of it either.. I used to have a LaserJet 4si at one time.. that will make you want to print stuff.. at least until you have to buy a toner cart.. it would hold a whole ream of 500 pages in each of its two bins, and print up to like 80,000 pages front and back flipped either horizontally or vertically, at like 600x600 b/w.. had like 3 separate output trays, and two paper trays.. and built-in network support.. |
| 00:21.05 | cafuego_ | sussudio: Bow to me. |
| 00:21.21 | Knight_Lord | hDy console runs great, X is slow |
| 00:21.25 | nvz | kethinov: the cartridges would run you nearly $200 though |
| 00:21.31 | toresbe | http://komplett.no/k/ki.asp?sku=301248&cks=PRL |
| 00:21.34 | hDy | aah |
| 00:21.34 | mirak | Seb: you seem to be able to help me resolve the problem. I ready to listen you |
| 00:21.41 | kethinov | nvz, crazy |
| 00:21.42 | toresbe | Anyone know anything about Linux support for this chip? |
| 00:21.54 | cafuego_ | toresbe: What chip is that? |
| 00:21.55 | sussudio | cafuego_: bow to Piggy |
| 00:21.59 | kethinov | nvz, there seems to be a free working version of turboprint |
| 00:22.00 | cafuego_ | sussudio: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ |
| 00:22.01 | toresbe | cafuego_: No idea |
| 00:22.01 | hDy | I was mainly wanting to use this 150mhz box in my bathroom to access this pc remotly from the john :) |
| 00:22.06 | cafuego_ | sussudio: I am now leet. |
| 00:22.11 | nvz | kethinov: yeah they mentioned a trial on the site |
| 00:22.17 | garble | what is the xfree config command (anyone)??? |
| 00:22.17 | cafuego_ | toresbe: console mode here, doing an install.. |
| 00:22.22 | Seb | mirak: modprobe -r soundcore. But it's easier to stop alsa, as I told you earlier |
| 00:22.22 | afcpack | abrotman: bow to the Stillers |
| 00:22.23 | cafuego_ | !xcfg |
| 00:22.23 | dpkg | xcfg is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:22.23 | caphuso | garble: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:22.27 | sussudio | cafuego_: no you're not |
| 00:22.32 | garble | thanks |
| 00:22.34 | cafuego_ | sussudio: I *completely* am. |
| 00:22.39 | mirak | Seb: but I have stopped alsa |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | afcpack: go sox! |
| 00:22.50 | Seb | mirak: so no more snd_* modules in lsmod ? |
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| 00:22.56 | mirak | Seb: FATAL: Module soundcore is in use. |
| 00:23.00 | ElNooboStupido | screw apt-build - I just found apt-get -b ====you guys need to give a poopy brother a clue sometimes yaknow |
| 00:23.02 | Seb | mirak: so no more snd_* modules in lsmod ? |
| 00:23.04 | toresbe | cafuego_: Oh, good luck :P |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | afcpack: i hope you're right |
| 00:23.06 | kethinov | nvz, nope seems to work forever. its merely a stripped down version |
| 00:23.10 | Knight_Lord | hDy there is this neat program that can use windows binary drives to make things wireless cards work on linux |
| 00:23.10 | kethinov | nvz, im gonna try it out |
| 00:23.18 | mirak | Seb: yes still around 10 lines |
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| 00:23.26 | mirak | Seb: yes still around 10 lines of snd stuffs |
| 00:23.26 | kethinov | nvz, its in an rpm though. i hope alien likes it |
| 00:23.30 | garble | caphuso |
| 00:23.31 | Seb | mirak: /etc/init.d/alsasound stop |
| 00:23.36 | afcpack | abrotman: cool news, but old news... I'm looking to the iggles beatdown in the 'burgh tomorrow :) |
| 00:23.38 | Seb | and check again |
| 00:23.46 | garble | caphuso, it says its not fully installed |
| 00:23.46 | cafuego_ | toresbe: Don't need luck anymore, i have it booting odd hd now, after a WHOLE DAY OF CRAP |
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| 00:23.50 | resiak | can anyone remember the 10-character recursive bash function that basically kills the computer on which it is run? |
| 00:24.06 | sussudio | resiak: startkde? |
| 00:24.11 | Knight_Lord | LOL |
| 00:24.15 | mirak | Seb: I still have them all |
| 00:24.16 | afcpack | argh... three days of 'connection refused' @ bootsplash.de :( |
| 00:24.16 | resiak | sussudio: ;) |
| 00:24.18 | caphuso | garble: install x-window-system-core xterm and whatever window manager you like |
| 00:24.25 | nvz | kethinov: I dont like alien.. is that all they'll give you is an rpm package? |
| 00:24.31 | NetTechie | doesn't debian extract the kernel-source when you get it with apt-get? or does it just download it, and I have to extract it |
| 00:24.39 | kethinov | nvz, and a slackware tgz |
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| 00:24.47 | nvz | kethinov: rpm is an inferior format.. alien would have to guess at how to create deb's from an rpm |
| 00:24.49 | Seb | mirak: remove them by hand. NAd uninstall alsa while you're at it |
| 00:24.51 | Knight_Lord | resiak you can make one is C pretty fast |
| 00:25.03 | sussudio | in soviet russia, alsa uninstalls your nads. |
| 00:25.15 | rich_ | resiak I bet some super hacker told you about that huh? I came with inches of that guy being my brother in law and he's been full of sh|t since the day he was born :) |
| 00:25.21 | nvz | kethinov: not to mention there are no redhat/rules that enforce any kind of policy when you build an rmp |
| 00:25.21 | garble | caphuso I used tasksel I thought by selecting the xserver and such that it would work? |
| 00:25.22 | mirak | Seb: huh he want to remove gdm |
| 00:25.26 | Knight_Lord | resiak for(;1;)fork(); |
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| 00:25.37 | mirak | Seb: can't I remove OSS instead ? |
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| 00:25.45 | rich_ | why do guys like that always date your sister? |
| 00:25.45 | NetTechie | can you see what I type |
| 00:25.55 | Seb | mirak: modprobe -r emu10k1, then modprobe -r soundcore |
| 00:26.05 | Seb | mirak: then you go read on alsa vs. OSS |
| 00:26.11 | NetTechie | can anyone see this |
| 00:26.13 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I get it, start it but no sound |
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| 00:26.15 | caphuso | garble: that should work too |
| 00:26.16 | afcpack | NetTechie: you need to extract it yourself |
| 00:26.18 | kethinov | nvz, still worth a shot. ive converted rpms successfully before |
| 00:26.20 | Seb | dpkg, tell mirak about oss |
| 00:26.21 | NetTechie | thanks |
| 00:26.24 | Seb | dpkg, tell mirak about alsa |
| 00:26.25 | caphuso | garble: did you get any errors when installing it? |
| 00:26.31 | MelloYello | when installing from non graphical mode, what do I call the mount point for a swap partition so the system knows I have space designated for it? |
| 00:26.38 | nvz | kethinov: I rather build it from a source file usually.. but if this is commercial, chances are they dont give you source.. the tar.gz is probably a binary.. you could just copy it to /usr/local/ or /opt/ then link its binaries to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 00:26.39 | Knight_Lord | pau4o now i understand why you say it's the mixer :-P |
| 00:26.49 | caphuso | MelloYello: swap doesn't get mounted |
| 00:26.52 | ElNooboStupido | alrighty - building gnome for my system |
| 00:27.04 | nvz | kethinov: but its worth a try.. if alien can cleanly convert it |
| 00:27.06 | MelloYello | caphuso: but how do I allocate space for it? |
| 00:27.09 | Knight_Lord | pau4o do you have any mixer program like aumix? |
| 00:27.21 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I have kmix |
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| 00:27.33 | caphuso | MelloYello: you create a swap partition |
| 00:28.12 | MelloYello | I called it /swap but the system says you have not configures swap space... its not drop and drag.. I need to type it in |
| 00:28.12 | Knight_Lord | pau4o and what does it say about the volume? Is master and pcm both unmuted and with good volume? |
| 00:28.12 | ElNooboStupido | --build |
| 00:28.12 | ElNooboStupido | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.12 | ElNooboStupido | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.12 | mrnull | i'm having trouble will my 3 network cards. i have all three setup in interfaces. Can I use the same static ip for 2 different cards? |
| 00:28.15 | caphuso | MelloYello: again, swap doesn't get mounted, so it does not need a mount point |
| 00:28.22 | ElNooboStupido | can someoen tell me what the configuration option is |
| 00:28.24 | ElNooboStupido | ? |
| 00:28.32 | The_Vulture | mrnull: I don't think so.. |
| 00:28.37 | Knight_Lord | mrnull don't try it |
| 00:28.39 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: it's for /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 00:28.45 | The_Vulture | they would be on the same network.. can't have two hosts with the same IP on the same network.. |
| 00:28.50 | ElNooboStupido | ok thanks |
| 00:28.53 | jetscreamer | mrnull, you can set them up to be bridged |
| 00:28.54 | MelloYello | well I'm looking at disk druid, there is no other provisoopn to create this partition |
| 00:28.57 | Airox | Is there even a libapache-mod-status in the debian repository ?? |
| 00:28.58 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, :-) it's say nothing no mixer |
| 00:29.06 | jetscreamer | but usually, no 1 static, 1 nic |
| 00:29.07 | caphuso | disk druid? what the hell is that? |
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| 00:29.10 | mrnull | ok.. well can they be in the same format 192.168.0.x? |
| 00:29.11 | mirak | Seb: how do I remove OSS ? |
| 00:29.15 | MerlinCorey_ | !tell Airox about serach |
| 00:29.16 | jetscreamer | s/no/no,/ |
| 00:29.17 | mirak | sorry I must be dumb |
| 00:29.18 | MerlinCorey_ | !tell Airox about search |
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| 00:29.21 | mirak | or something |
| 00:29.24 | jetscreamer | yes mr null |
| 00:29.24 | Airox | I did search. |
| 00:29.25 | Airox | :/ |
| 00:29.25 | Seb | mirak: I told you already, scroll back up |
| 00:29.33 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, here is aumix: [chroot-Sid] kmn@support:~$ aumix |
| 00:29.34 | pau4o | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 00:29.34 | mirak | Seb: it doesn't work !!! |
| 00:29.41 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.43 | Knight_Lord | pau4o what happens if you cat stuff to /dev/mixer? |
| 00:29.44 | Seb | dpkg, tell mirak about doesn't work |
| 00:29.46 | MelloYello | disk druis is a partition tool |
| 00:29.52 | MelloYello | druid |
| 00:30.01 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, let me try |
| 00:30.07 | nvz | disk druid is evil |
| 00:30.15 | caphuso | MelloYello: it seems to suck. use something sane |
| 00:30.20 | jetscreamer | aumix is for oss eh |
| 00:30.23 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, I dont have an /etc/apt/apt.conf but I do have an /etc/apt/apt-build.conf |
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| 00:30.33 | Knight_Lord | jetscreamer this is oss |
| 00:30.52 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: create it. read "man apt.conf" |
| 00:31.01 | ElNooboStupido | thanks |
| 00:31.20 | mirak | <Seb> mirak: modprobe -r emu10k1, then modprobe -r soundcore |
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| 00:31.28 | mirak | Seb: sorry I though I pasted the result |
| 00:31.43 | mirak | modprobe -r soundcore |
| 00:31.43 | mirak | FATAL: Module soundcore is in use. |
| 00:31.53 | Seb | mirak: mirak did you remove emu10k1 first ? |
| 00:31.55 | jetscreamer | what does -r do |
| 00:31.57 | mirak | yes |
| 00:32.02 | caphuso | jetscreamer: man modprobe |
| 00:32.02 | mirak | Seb: yes |
| 00:32.07 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, that is happen: cat: write error: Invalid argument |
| 00:32.10 | jetscreamer | i don't wanna man it |
| 00:32.17 | Seb | mirak: try lsof /dev/dsp |
| 00:32.17 | caphuso | then don't ask |
| 00:32.26 | Seb | mirak: and kill those processes that are accessing it |
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| 00:32.50 | mirak | Seb: none |
| 00:32.51 | Knight_Lord | pau4o you are cating *to* it not reading from it right? |
| 00:33.01 | resiak | Knight_Lord, rich_: I just thought I'd amuse myself by irritating a new linux convert. Thanks ;) |
| 00:33.12 | Knight_Lord | pau4o i haven't seen that error |
| 00:33.13 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, yes, it is |
| 00:33.14 | mirak | Seb: lsof | grep dsp returns nothing |
| 00:33.14 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: what's the point in catting stuff to /dev/mixer? |
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| 00:33.49 | Knight_Lord | caphuso check exactly this that happened. If it was working no error should have happened |
| 00:34.03 | pau4o | caphuso, the point is that I have no sound in chrooted debian |
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| 00:34.17 | Seb | mirak: can you read correctly ? |
| 00:34.32 | mirak | Seb: I have tried both |
| 00:34.42 | mirak | Seb: lsof /dev/dsp returns nothing |
| 00:34.43 | caphuso | # cat =ls > /dev/mixer |
| 00:34.43 | caphuso | cat: write error: Invalid argument |
| 00:34.46 | MelloYello | gosh, how hard can it be... disk druid wont let me setup swap space |
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| 00:34.50 | Knight_Lord | pau4o what is the kernel version and the output of ls -la /dev/mixer? |
| 00:34.56 | nvz | mentions that "jetscreamer | what does -r do caphuso | jetscreamer: man modprobe jetscreamer | i don't wanna man it caphuso | then don't ask" is a perfect illistration of that saying "there are no stupid questions just stupid people." |
| 00:35.00 | Seb | mirak: lsmod might say what other module depends on soundcore |
| 00:35.02 | mrnull | so, what would i need to set the different ip's / subnet massks to if i have two different network cards in my computer, each connected with crossover to a different computer? |
| 00:35.03 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: funny, i get the same error, and my sound is working just fine |
| 00:35.06 | jetscreamer | bite me buddy |
| 00:35.08 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:35.11 | Seb | mirak: between () by the end of the line |
| 00:35.14 | ElNooboStupido | hmmm how do I configure the --compile option in my apt.conf? |
| 00:35.15 | nvz | heh |
| 00:35.18 | mirak | Seb: ok I try that |
| 00:35.35 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: generally, you don't, because it's pointless |
| 00:35.36 | Knight_Lord | pau4o oops. try echo 1 > /dev/mixer |
| 00:35.49 | jetscreamer | that's what i thought |
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| 00:36.05 | jetscreamer | same as rmmod |
| 00:36.10 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, well I am hoping to compile gnome for my architecture, so 3dnow, mmx, sse, and sse2 extensions are used... |
| 00:36.16 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, that is realy funny, I go out of chrooted Debian and produse same error msg with cating to /dev/mixer |
| 00:36.17 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: hehehe |
| 00:36.25 | nvz | jetscreamer: I think insmod and rmmod are like deprecated |
| 00:36.29 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, ok I'll try |
| 00:36.33 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: "apt-get -b source foo" will *not* do that |
| 00:36.35 | Knight_Lord | pau4o the test was bogus |
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| 00:37.06 | nvz | jetscreamer: bearing in mind, that the 2.6 kernel has completly rewritten module support |
| 00:37.12 | MelloYello | caphuso: I'm not using graphical mode.. otherwise it was crap |
| 00:37.12 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, nothing happen |
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| 00:37.16 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: besides, it's pretty pointless to recompile gnome, you won't see it become any faster anyways |
| 00:37.16 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, [chroot-Sid] support:~# echo 1 > /dev/mixer |
| 00:37.16 | pau4o | [chroot-Sid] support:~# |
| 00:37.17 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, excrement! apt-build freezes when I try to install gnome with it - is there any way to do this in debian or is this strictly a gentoo thing? |
| 00:37.28 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, :(( |
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| 00:37.42 | jetscreamer | i just know stuff is different in 2.6 module wise, no idea how or what or why |
| 00:37.45 | Knight_Lord | pau4o ok then the problem might be somewhere else |
| 00:37.47 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: neither mmx nor sse2 will speed up idle processes |
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| 00:38.20 | caphuso | and that's what gnome does 99% of all the time |
| 00:38.24 | nvz | jetscreamer: well modules have a different extension, and you need updated tools .. are the most noticable differences without looking at the code. |
| 00:38.31 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, hmm, have you some idea? |
| 00:38.35 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 00:38.36 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, well the extensions ARE used in gnome if enabled on compile, and I got screaming gnome performance in gentoo, im hoping to get the same out of debian |
| 00:38.37 | Knight_Lord | pau4o in mpg123 specifically state the output devices |
| 00:38.39 | nvz | jetscreamer: I just read through the kernel sources when I get bored.. its funny sometimes |
| 00:38.42 | jetscreamer | that's about what i know :) |
| 00:38.47 | Knight_Lord | pau4o -a /dev/dsp |
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| 00:38.53 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: did you do any benchmarks? |
| 00:39.03 | Knight_Lord | pau4o and use -v |
| 00:39.13 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, no, I just noticed that apps popped up a hell of a lot faster |
| 00:39.19 | Tuxstein | !gentooitis |
| 00:39.19 | dpkg | [gentooitis] a mental disorder which causes the sufferer to feel a constant craving for ever-higher version numbers, despite any warnings of bugs, problems, incompatibilities or other obstacles to productivity. Sufferers will often spend hours or days recompiling perfectly good packages for no benefit. Other symptoms include the use of mysql in place of ordinary text files, or the use of XML in any context whatsoever. |
| 00:39.21 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: bullshit |
| 00:39.30 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, no mierda de toro |
| 00:39.33 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: loading of apps is limited by I/O, not CPU |
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| 00:39.51 | Knight_Lord | pau4o forget it aumix doesn't work |
| 00:39.57 | mirak | Seb: it seems soundcore is stuck because of bttv module wich depends many modules |
| 00:40.05 | Knight_Lord | pau4o i'm running out of ideas :-P |
| 00:40.06 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I can't see which option to use |
| 00:40.10 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, I have no idea what that really means, but if I started mozilla it was faster to start and MUCH faster to restart in gentoo |
| 00:40.14 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I thought there were a few quotes already in there... but go right ahead, of course. ;-) |
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| 00:40.33 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, 10x for sharing ideas |
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| 00:40.43 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: well, then just "apt-get -b source" the gnome stuff |
| 00:40.48 | Knight_Lord | pau4o use -q with aumix |
| 00:40.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I am just getting bored with my fortunes. I often use screensavers with fortunes. I still havent finished the ones with dpkg's qotd+flw |
| 00:40.55 | Knight_Lord | pau4o and -d /dev/mixer |
| 00:40.57 | Sandman | How will thsi work out in /etc/fstab?: /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6 vfat defaults 0 $ |
| 00:40.58 | mlaks | hi how do i review the messages on my boot up that occured after the stuff in dmesg |
| 00:41.01 | Knight_Lord | pau4o just to check what happens |
| 00:41.02 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, how do I make sure that gnome is built for my architecture? |
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| 00:41.08 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: it will be |
| 00:41.13 | ElNooboStupido | ok thanks |
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| 00:41.25 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: tell me how it worked out |
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| 00:41.41 | Seb | mirak: well figure the dependencies out, my friend |
| 00:41.48 | nvz | dondelelcaro: got sick last night.. but I got what seems to be a little shell script to parse those apt_dump's and make them fortune-friendly |
| 00:42.02 | mlaks | for example i see that stupidly i have both apache and apache2 installed which conflict |
| 00:42.08 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, will do - I have to take off at 6 but im extremely high on vicodin so I doubt I will gone long |
| 00:42.12 | mlaks | and i want to know what else i need to remove |
| 00:42.18 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah... |
| 00:42.21 | Sandman | I ran make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, but it doesn't install any /initrd.img (or link it). How can I make an initrd image properly? |
| 00:42.36 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: the initrd image is built when you actually install the kernel. |
| 00:42.37 | mlaks | by seeing the different messages that scrolled by too fast on boot |
| 00:42.37 | Sandman | I grabbed kernel-sources-2.6.8, and kernel-package |
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| 00:42.45 | caphuso | nvz: could it be made diff friendly too? so that we could have daily diffs to read through to find new/changed/deleted/fucked factoids? |
| 00:42.47 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: YOu mean when I dpkg -i <package>? |
| 00:42.53 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: Yes sir, that's what I did. |
| 00:43.04 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, aumix -q says that I have devices configred or I'm in the wrong |
| 00:43.06 | ElNooboStupido | hey speaking of - how does one see the boot messages? |
| 00:43.24 | Knight_Lord | pau4o what's the output of ls -la /dev/mixer? |
| 00:43.30 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, do you want to paste output in private |
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| 00:43.42 | Sandman | diff headers includes? |
| 00:43.44 | Knight_Lord | pau4o just paste in #flood |
| 00:43.45 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: and mkinitrd wasn't ever run? |
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| 00:43.58 | NetTechie | what command should I run to extract the kernel-source? |
| 00:44.02 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, crw-rw---- 1 root 17 14, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/mixer |
| 00:44.06 | xmb | im getting mkext2fs: command not found when trying to install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686, symlinkin mkfs.ext2 to it dosnt work too |
| 00:44.07 | NetTechie | gzip doesn't work :/ |
| 00:44.21 | NetTechie | it's a bz2 file |
| 00:44.25 | nvz | caphuso: I suppose.. the inital part is just "cut -d , 11" which takes the 11th col of each row which seem to be the factoids.. just working out things like removing leading spaces or <reply> tags.. as some factoids arent as clean as others.. then putting the % line between each one in the output |
| 00:44.28 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: well, assuming you have mkinitrd installed and the appropriate /etc/mkinitrd/modules, it should be built when the kernel postinst is run. |
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| 00:44.38 | nvs | NetTechie: tar -xjvf kernel.bz2 |
| 00:44.47 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: if it isn't, check the postinst to see exactly what is going on. |
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| 00:45.03 | caphuso | nvz: last time i checked there was a lot of crap in there, e.g. for the tables containing the data for the "seen" command and so |
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| 00:45.11 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: Yessir. |
| 00:45.19 | NetTechie | nvs: /usr/src# tar -xjvf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 that look correct? |
| 00:45.23 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah... it's a full dump |
| 00:45.27 | nvz | caphuso: yeah I grep for qotd or flw, then pipe it into cut, and work with that |
| 00:45.28 | nvs | NetTechie: yes |
| 00:45.32 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: BTW: I installed a new kernel, and my old kernel is an initrd |
| 00:45.36 | NetTechie | nvs: thanks |
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| 00:45.53 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: And now, when I try to boot into Linux.OLD, it still doesn't work. Which is strange to me since that's never happened before |
| 00:45.59 | mirak | Seb: thanks, I have learned something about modules today |
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| 00:46.05 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: So I can't download the modules, because the hardware is all NVidia stuff |
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| 00:46.08 | mirak | Seb: I have remove them all |
| 00:46.13 | Seb | mirak: good |
| 00:46.25 | Seb | mirak: no, restart alsa, and check for sound again |
| 00:46.27 | caphuso | hmmm, i might have a look at it this afternoon |
| 00:46.29 | Seb | now, I mean |
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| 00:46.33 | mirak | ok |
| 00:47.00 | MelloYello | where do I find samba server when installing fedora core.. I want to install with the stadard install |
| 00:47.35 | Knight_Lord | pau4o everything seems pretty normal, i don't know how to fix it sorry :-( |
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| 00:47.41 | nvz | I need to find a decent library and start learning to program better, cause shell script is the long way around for most of this stuff. I dont know why I dont use python anymore... just lazy I guess |
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| 00:48.12 | ellobo | hi |
| 00:48.13 | swatikiss | when i compile a kernel, should i edit the config file in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 or in /usr/src/linux ?? |
| 00:48.35 | Knight_Lord | swatikiss are they a symlink from one to the other? |
| 00:48.42 | swatikiss | Knight_Lord, yes |
| 00:48.45 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I think so, but it's not working |
| 00:48.47 | Knight_Lord | swatikiss then they are the same file |
| 00:48.56 | swatikiss | Knight_Lord, oh ...heh :P |
| 00:49.02 | bootfloppy | any idea where the boot messages are logged? i tried messages |
| 00:49.07 | Knight_Lord | swatikiss symlinks are a bit like web hyperlinks but at filesystem level |
| 00:49.13 | mirak | Seb: whooo ho |
| 00:49.15 | nvz | even python confuses me sometimes.. and its very well documented.. its loose data types get confusing sometimes all the tuples and pickles and shit |
| 00:49.16 | swatikiss | Knight_Lord, coo thanks |
| 00:49.21 | mirak | I got sound |
| 00:49.25 | swatikiss | bootfloppy, dmesg |
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| 00:49.40 | Seb | mirak: :) |
| 00:49.44 | mirak | :D |
| 00:49.56 | ellobo | can anyone tell me how to get lm-sensors working with 2.6.* kernels ? there are no lm-sensors patches for kernel 2.6 in the mirror... |
| 00:50.01 | nvz | its a time saver though.. especially when using a decent editor. |
| 00:50.01 | mirak | now guess I wil have this problem at rreboot |
| 00:50.08 | Seb | mirak: now, you have to figure out how to prevent soundcore and friends to get loaded at startup |
| 00:50.11 | Seb | indeed |
| 00:50.15 | Knight_Lord | pau4o yea seems the mixer doesn't like something. You can try to google for sound in chroots because i think that's quite unusual |
| 00:50.25 | Seb | removing them from /lib/modules/... is the quickest and dirtiest solution |
| 00:50.34 | mirak | seems so |
| 00:50.37 | Seb | but ask the channel how you can prevent module loding at startup, I ain't sure about this one |
| 00:50.56 | mirak | ok thanks |
| 00:51.04 | nvz | mirak: /etc/modules |
| 00:51.12 | mirak | ok |
| 00:51.15 | nvz | is the file.. unless you have other things like hotplug or discover |
| 00:51.20 | nvz | that could be loading them |
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| 00:52.08 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: What do you think? |
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| 00:52.34 | ElNooboStupido | caphuso, isnt apt-get -b suppsed to BUILD the packages and then install them? |
| 00:52.45 | caphuso | ElNooboStupido: no, it just builds them |
| 00:52.47 | Sandman | ElNooboStupido: apt-get source -b <package> |
| 00:52.53 | Seb | nvz: to *prevent* modules from loading, /etc/modules ? I didn't know that... |
| 00:52.53 | Sandman | ElNooboStupido: Then dpkg -i resulting package |
| 00:53.03 | ElNooboStupido | wtf I did apt-get -b install gnome |
| 00:53.11 | ElNooboStupido | what does that do? nothing? |
| 00:53.12 | mirak | nvz I have hotplug and discover |
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| 00:53.31 | nvz | Seb: modules are loaded from /etc/modules.. you take them out and they dont load.. only reason you need to "prevent" is if you have hotplug or discover |
| 00:53.31 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, now I'm try to play mp3 with mpg123 but using root acount in chroot SURPRISE!!! have sound |
| 00:53.39 | Seb | nvz: k |
| 00:53.43 | mirak | Seb: maybe I can force the loading here before discovering ? |
| 00:53.45 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, but I'm in group audio |
| 00:53.55 | ellobo | nvz: if you have hotplug installed you can 'blacklist' the modules... in file "/etc/hotplug/blacklist" |
| 00:53.56 | mirak | nvz: is this file intented for this usage ? |
| 00:54.01 | nvz | mirak: I dont use them, but they have a blacklist you can list modules in somewhere.. you'd have to ask for help or look for docks. |
| 00:54.03 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, can you help me solve this? |
| 00:54.04 | LU7DFV | Why apt says that may be gentoo is better than Debian? |
| 00:54.07 | Seb | mirak: I passed the buck, don't ask me anymore ;) |
| 00:54.14 | Seb | mirak: what you need is to fix hotplug/discover |
| 00:54.23 | NetTechie | what command determines my kernel version? |
| 00:54.24 | Seb | mirak: hotplug has a blacklist feature that you can use |
| 00:54.25 | mirak | Seb: you did 90% of the job. I should pay you |
| 00:54.29 | Seb | I dunno about discover |
| 00:54.30 | nvs | NetTechie: uname -r |
| 00:54.30 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I think it's easy thing :-) |
| 00:54.32 | Seb | mirak: shit yeah :) |
| 00:54.33 | ellobo | NetTechie: uname -r |
| 00:54.36 | mirak | Seb: are you ok for a beer ? ;) |
| 00:54.40 | NetTechie | thank you |
| 00:54.41 | Seb | mirak: sure |
| 00:54.49 | toresbe | Please tell me the lesser of three evils: S3 Trio64V+, SIS 6215, ATI Mach64 |
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| 00:55.01 | nvs | torbjorn: NOT S3! |
| 00:55.02 | nvz | hehe |
| 00:55.08 | Seb | toresbe: i vote for sis |
| 00:55.10 | toresbe | I'm building a PeeCee for a friend |
| 00:55.13 | nvz | thats a tough choice |
| 00:55.16 | p2-mate | ATI Mach64 |
| 00:55.20 | nvz | I would look up that SiS first |
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| 00:55.23 | nvz | before using it.. |
| 00:55.28 | Knight_Lord | pau4o sure :-P |
| 00:55.31 | sussudio | what's a PeeCee? a PC you pissed in? |
| 00:55.32 | toresbe | Allright, three people. three answers. Ah, #debian. :P |
| 00:55.37 | bootfloppy | anyone used kudzu with debian? |
| 00:55.38 | nvs | lol |
| 00:55.38 | nvz | they have some sort of memory issues those 6xxx SiS cards |
| 00:55.43 | Knight_Lord | pau4o did you logged out after adding yourself to group audio? |
| 00:55.58 | Knight_Lord | pau4o how did you manage to cat to /dev/dsp? |
| 00:56.07 | ElNooboStupido | if I didnt get hard drive read errors for no reason in gentoo I would use it |
| 00:56.08 | nvz | something about if they have more than 4mb X cant be allowed to acces beyond like 4096 or they glitch |
| 00:56.11 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, oh, how 'm stupid |
| 00:56.21 | Sandman | What's the difference between headers and includes? |
| 00:56.22 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I forgot to log out |
| 00:56.28 | Knight_Lord | pau4o :-P |
| 00:56.42 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, 10x :-) |
| 00:56.43 | Knight_Lord | pau4o and how did the cat to /dev/dsp worked? |
| 00:56.51 | nvz | ElNooboStupido: somehow I knew you had gentooitis |
| 00:57.00 | Knight_Lord | pau4o you're welcome |
| 00:57.13 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, with su -c " cat blah/blah > /dev/dsp" |
| 00:57.22 | toresbe | haha |
| 00:57.27 | Knight_Lord | pau4o ah i thought you had run it with the same permissions |
| 00:57.28 | toresbe | This ad just came on TV |
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| 00:58.12 | toresbe | a mother was awkwardly explaining birds and bees etc, stammering and stuff, and the kid goes "Mom, are you talking about when I saw you shag dad?" ^_^ |
| 00:58.17 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, that's happen when I work at night :-) |
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| 00:58.28 | Knight_Lord | pau4o :-) |
| 00:58.31 | nvz | I thought it would be funny to get one of those really horrid rap stars out there and do a ghetto version of those vehix.com commercials.. like the one where he walks up to those two guys buying the hotdogs on the street.. |
| 00:58.33 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I'll be back :-) |
| 00:58.45 | NetTechie | is there an apt-get for the nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:59.07 | ellobo | NetTechie: only source drivers |
| 00:59.11 | Knight_Lord | pau4o cya |
| 00:59.38 | nvz | yo check out tha 6-4, then the vehix guy walks up and says, yea I got you, day be like 10 of them mafukkas withing 10 miles yo.. |
| 00:59.43 | ellobo | NetTechie: correction ... there are binary modules for some kernels too |
| 00:59.51 | ellobo | NetTechie: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 00:59.53 | Sandman | When I mount a vfat fs, I want my non-root users to be able to at least read it. Howto? |
| 01:00.10 | Sturzflut | Sandman: man mount |
| 01:00.15 | Knight_Lord | Sandman do you want them to be able to mount them? |
| 01:00.26 | Knight_Lord | Sandman if not maybe you just need to set umask accordingly |
| 01:00.48 | Sturzflut | Sandman: see the part "Mount options for fat" |
| 01:00.51 | Knight_Lord | Sandman umask=022 in fstab might be a good idea |
| 01:01.28 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: your buddy? --> kawfee (unknown@CPE-24-166-190-59.kc.rr.com) has joined #gentoo |
| 01:01.31 | mrnull | networking question.. eth1: ip-192.168.04 mask-255.255.248.0; eth2: ip-192.168.0.1 mask-255.255.255.0; Why can't i bring up both interfaces? |
| 01:01.43 | NetTechie | I can't seem to get the official drivers to work , said it needed the kernel source. I downloaded the source, extracted it, and listed the source location when I did the install, and it gives an error about KBUILD_OUTPUT or something |
| 01:01.55 | Knight_Lord | mrnull what happens when you try? |
| 01:02.03 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: if by 'buddy' you mean 'things i want to run over repeatedly with a tank'. |
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| 01:02.15 | NetTechie | maybe I have the wrong source, or it needs configuring. this is my first install of debian |
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| 01:02.25 | Knight_Lord | mrnull ip-192.168.04 i hope you didn't forget the dot in the configuration file |
| 01:02.36 | nvz | gawd kafees are still about? |
| 01:02.36 | Caesar | My circa 2000 laptop running a 2.6 kernel seems to run its fan incessantly, is this fixable? |
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| 01:02.52 | Sandman | Knight_Lord: Looks like it. THanks |
| 01:02.55 | mrnull | Knight_Lord: it'll let me bring them both up, but i'll only be able to ping one of the computers. if i load eth1, i can ping the computer on it's network.. if i load eth2 i can only ping the computer on it's network |
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| 01:03.13 | Knight_Lord | Caesar try to take a look at acpi. Maybe... |
| 01:03.21 | mrnull | they each have the same net address 192.168.0.0 |
| 01:03.23 | NetTechie | how can I install source drivers for nvidia through apt-get? I did the apt-cahce search nvidia, and it only shows clock utilities |
| 01:03.28 | nvz | !kawfee |
| 01:03.28 | dpkg | somebody said kawfee was KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
| 01:03.42 | Knight_Lord | mrnull you are using adress 192.168.0.0?? |
| 01:03.43 | mirak | ok this works |
| 01:03.46 | nvz | hmm.. not what I thought it was |
| 01:03.53 | Caesar | Knight_Lord: during boot it says it disables it because my BIOS is too old. Should I try forcing it? |
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| 01:04.14 | mrnull | Knight_Lord: no.. for eth1 i'm using 192.168.0.4.. for eth2 i'm using 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:04.16 | Knight_Lord | Caesar i don't know, you can try |
| 01:04.30 | sussudio | !stab Caesar |
| 01:04.31 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, same thing my user have no sound |
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| 01:04.49 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I'm just going krazy ;-) |
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| 01:05.04 | mwolff | alright, I have a debian system all setup. If I wanted to add a soundcard, what' |
| 01:05.10 | Knight_Lord | mrnull got it. Yea you can't have 2 NIC on the same network on the same computer |
| 01:05.10 | mwolff | s the general practice? |
| 01:05.24 | mwolff | just install boot up, try it? |
| 01:05.29 | The_Vulture | !tell mwolff about audio |
| 01:05.34 | Piru | yeah, they need to be in different nets |
| 01:05.35 | Knight_Lord | pau4o change permission on the devices just to make sure it works (666) |
| 01:05.58 | mrnull | Knight_Lord: but i have eth0 connected to the internet right now |
| 01:06.04 | nvz | mwolff: is it a sarge system? |
| 01:06.05 | mwolff | The_Vulture, thanks |
| 01:06.05 | green_earz | NetTechie: check out > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html |
| 01:06.11 | mwolff | nvz, yeah |
| 01:06.16 | mrnull | eth0 = dhcp |
| 01:06.17 | Knight_Lord | The_Vulture what for? |
| 01:06.23 | kingsley | What are common speeds of internet connections? |
| 01:06.26 | nvz | mwolff: what kind of card you putting in? |
| 01:06.41 | The_Vulture | Knight_Lord: your permissions suggestion |
| 01:06.43 | Knight_Lord | mrnull why do you have to have the other nic on the same network? |
| 01:06.43 | NetTechie | does anyone know how to install nvidia drivers? I'm having trouble with them on kernel 2.6.8 :( |
| 01:06.57 | Knight_Lord | The_Vulture you clearly didn't follow the discussion |
| 01:07.03 | The_Vulture | NetTechie: use the nvidia-kernel-source debian package and follow the instructions |
| 01:07.03 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, now it works, but I read somewhere that this is not in Debian way |
| 01:07.04 | NetTechie | oh, missed your url green, lemme look at it |
| 01:07.05 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's really official .. i can't taste garlic :( |
| 01:07.05 | mrnull | Knight_Lord: i shouldn't? |
| 01:07.14 | Knight_Lord | pau4o it was just a test |
| 01:07.14 | Guerin | abrotman: ?? |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | Guerin: i can't |
| 01:07.25 | Knight_Lord | pau4o i already got the problem |
| 01:07.29 | Guerin | abrotman: what, it just takes like nothing? |
| 01:07.34 | Knight_Lord | pau4o on those ls -la that you made |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | Guerin: just doesn't taste |
| 01:07.44 | The_Vulture | Knight_Lord: I skimmed it, what was so unusual about his situation that warrants breaking permissions? |
| 01:07.49 | Sandman | Knight_Lord: If I want to put that in fstab, I just enter uname=022 for the options, yes? |
| 01:07.51 | Piru | mrnull, the system can't tell which nic it should use to reach the other hosts |
| 01:07.51 | Guerin | i think maybe you need to try korean garlic |
| 01:07.56 | Knight_Lord | pau4o the group owner of the devices is not audio |
| 01:08.11 | Piru | mrnull, so it picks one.. it's a routing pb. you need to put them to separate networks |
| 01:08.13 | Knight_Lord | pau4o try to chown root.audio /dev/mixer and /dev/audio |
| 01:08.16 | Guerin | abrotman: that's so weird. |
| 01:08.18 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, I see |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | Guerin: i just cooked shrimp in some butter and oil .. with a whole sectoino of garlic+assorted other spices .. nothing |
| 01:08.28 | Piru | mrnull, or use single nic. |
| 01:08.31 | Guerin | what's a section? |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | Guerin: you know ... one section from the clove |
| 01:08.35 | Knight_Lord | The_Vulture the sound system is chrooted, and the permission change was just for test |
| 01:08.53 | Knight_Lord | pau4o if that works change the permissions back |
| 01:09.10 | Guerin | abrotman: garlic comes in bulbs and cloves. A clove is what I think you're talking about. |
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| 01:09.12 | danamania | abrotman: how curious, I cooked just the same earlier. |
| 01:09.16 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, can you tell me how to put back right permisions to devices |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | Guerin: sorry |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | Guerin: you're right .. a whole clove |
| 01:09.28 | Knight_Lord | Sandman yes |
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| 01:09.31 | abrotman | Guerin: and nothing |
| 01:09.47 | Guerin | abrotman: some cooking methods dull the flavour of garlic really well - sauteeing or frying in oil is one of those. |
| 01:09.48 | Knight_Lord | pau4o chmod 660 /dev/mixer |
| 01:09.57 | Knight_Lord | pau4o same to /dev/dsp |
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| 01:10.11 | abrotman | Guerin: uhm .. dull .. there was nothing |
| 01:10.18 | Guerin | abrotman: you should have tasted SOMETHING, though. |
| 01:10.19 | Sturzflut | pau4o: unless you are using devfs |
| 01:10.21 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 01:10.25 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. pretty sad |
| 01:10.31 | nvz | heh.. cooking is more popular than any offtopic conversation around here |
| 01:10.39 | Guerin | abrotman: try with four cloves next time :) |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | Guerin: and it sucks .. one of my favorite spices |
| 01:10.50 | nvz | we should make a cookbook package the #debian cookbook |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:10.57 | pau4o | Sturzflut, I'm not using devfs |
| 01:10.57 | Sturzflut | nvz: would have thought Microsoft would be the most popular |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | apt-get install debian-irc-cookbook |
| 01:11.08 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, 10x |
| 01:11.13 | Guerin | nvz: been talking about that for ages. Go back to some old logs and grep for apt-food |
| 01:11.19 | green_earz | NetTechie: that link is for the debian own nvidia , if you want to install nvidia own driver you will compile a kernel then install nvidia own drive for that method here > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=30 |
| 01:11.33 | Knight_Lord | pau4o does it work? :-D |
| 01:11.35 | nvz | Sturzflut: well most of us know all we care to know, and said all we care to say about that. |
| 01:11.47 | nvz | Sturzflut: however everyone gathers for food converstaion time |
| 01:11.54 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, yes it is |
| 01:11.57 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
| 01:12.01 | Knight_Lord | pau4o great :-) |
| 01:12.14 | nvz | Guerin: I dont even have screen running right now |
| 01:12.22 | Guerin | Sturzflut: strangely, we like to talk about NICE things |
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| 01:12.25 | abrotman | Guerin: it's garlic damn it! |
| 01:12.36 | Knight_Lord | pau4o btw why are you running the sound chrooted? |
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| 01:13.00 | Guerin | abrotman: one clove of garlic isn't much. I routinely use 4-6 cloves of a meal for my wife and I. |
| 01:13.09 | pau4o | Knight_Lord, finaly I think that problem came to me with installing chrooted debian using basedebs.tar for stable and than switching to Sid |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | abrotman: but I'd consider that an abnormally large garlic dose. |
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| 01:13.22 | Sturzflut | 3 should be good for one person |
| 01:13.25 | The_Vulture | Guerin: yeah, I was about to say.. |
| 01:13.31 | Sturzflut | depending on dish size |
| 01:13.32 | l3m | NetTechie: just install a stock debian kernel ( apt-get install kernel-2.6.8-1-whatever ) and then #sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run" |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | Guerin: it was like .. 1/4 stick of butter and a little oil |
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