| 00:00.01 | freakazoid | DMCA certainly wasn't intended to protect independent artists |
| 00:00.05 | eaxnt | peterS: trust me , you have NONE to spare.. and you have no reason to pity me because my equiped already. |
| 00:00.05 | peterS | tcsetattr: so basically you reject copyright law? |
| 00:00.09 | tcsetattr | information shouldn't have owners. |
| 00:00.28 | directhex | tcsetattr, what's your home address and phone number? |
| 00:00.32 | tcsetattr | basically I think copyright law is obsolete and we should be working on phasing it out rather than warping the world to pretend it still fits. |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | freakazoid: it's debatable .. you could say it was .. assuming the independant artist had equal chances to sell his/her music |
| 00:00.40 | freakazoid | on the other hand, DMCA has been great for independent artists because it's seen the likes of magnatune.com start |
| 00:00.41 | aFlag | i'm using esd and there's programs, such as bzflag and flash, which don't support it that can't use the sound (probably because esd is locking /dev/dsp). How can i fix it? |
| 00:00.44 | eaxnt | tcsetattr: copyright/ip owners have the right to collect from their works in their lifetime .. |
| 00:00.47 | peterS | tcsetattr: that's fair. at least you are honest about this |
| 00:01.02 | freakazoid | abrotman: And assuming they had the resources to sue people |
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| 00:01.02 | citral | eaxnt, you have a big intellect, but it's totally distorted by an evident complex related to the size of your penis. |
| 00:01.04 | william | hi |
| 00:01.13 | william | i have a small querstion |
| 00:01.16 | jsn | Copyright=PROTECT DISNEY. Disney = ABC. Congress keeps upping it for Disney. |
| 00:01.18 | k-man_ | I get this error when i try and run exim4 now that i upgraded.... Starting MTA: 2004-10-11 09:42:53 Exim configuration error in line 6 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated: |
| 00:01.18 | k-man_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.20 | william | how can i get unstable packages? |
| 00:01.21 | justin | peterS: well, it is obsolete:-) |
| 00:01.22 | william | with apt-get |
| 00:01.24 | freakazoid | abrotman: besides, you're not really trying to say that DMCA is a good law, are you? |
| 00:01.27 | william | i wanna get the newest kde |
| 00:01.31 | william | i dont like 2.2.2 |
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| 00:01.38 | k-man_ | and line 6 is DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF |
| 00:01.43 | tcsetattr | copyright was originally a social contract meant to be beneficial to authors _and_ consumers; it was not a _right_ involving _property_. At the very least the "intellectual property" meme needs to die. |
| 00:01.44 | k-man_ | it means nothing to me |
| 00:01.48 | k-man_ | any ideas anyone? |
| 00:01.49 | eaxnt | citral: I didnt mean to choke you with it .. get over it , it just got stuck |
| 00:01.55 | rich_ | When they made you go into a dark room, and put guards at the door, then information had owners. But when they stared saturateing us with it, invadeing our homes with it, it became ours to see. |
| 00:01.59 | abrotman | freakazoid: depends i suppose .. it makes legal/monetary sense .. not ethical sense |
| 00:02.00 | tcsetattr | the social contract needs to be renegotiated in the new context of a digital world |
| 00:02.06 | directhex | tcsetattr, so, about your home phone number and address? |
| 00:02.22 | tcsetattr | look me up, it shouldn't be hard :) |
| 00:02.39 | citral | william, before going to install unstable packages, you could just be happy with sarge, it has kde 3.something |
| 00:02.47 | jsn | tcsetattr: Well, the neo-libs, as represented by Clinton's USTR Charlene Barshevsky, and the Recorpratrons are both for it. |
| 00:03.06 | jsn | Is there a .pdf viewer package that does text grabbing? |
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| 00:03.23 | freakazoid | abrotman: including the anti-circumvention and anti-reverse-engineering clauses? |
| 00:03.27 | william | how can i get unstable packages? |
| 00:03.32 | william | with atp-get |
| 00:03.38 | william | apt-get |
| 00:04.03 | jsn | !tell william about unstable |
| 00:04.05 | eaxnt | citral: was that too forward, saying you like to give head ? my bad |
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| 00:04.09 | citral | william, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, put "sarge" everywhere, run apt-get update, apt-get dist upgrade |
| 00:04.10 | Amadeus_ | How do I grab the sound that my computer is playing, into a wav file? I want to grab some dynamically generated sounds that are generated from a webpage. If I could just "record" whatever my soundcard is playing, into a wav file |
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| 00:04.39 | deadcat | citral: the brother ask for unstable. (= |
| 00:04.50 | tcsetattr | Amadeus_, web sound effects are probably copyrighted and you're an evil bastard :) |
| 00:04.55 | freakazoid | Amadeus_: why not just use wget to grab the sound files directly? |
| 00:04.55 | Agrajag- | Amadeus_: get a cable and plug your sound out straight to mic. :P |
| 00:04.57 | citral | deadcat, no, he ask for kde 3 |
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| 00:05.00 | jsn | !tell william about pinning |
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| 00:05.10 | eaxnt | citral: he asked of unstable .. you can read right ? |
| 00:05.15 | directhex | i need some sleep now. i'll argue about copyright semantics tomorrow. |
| 00:05.18 | citral | deadcat, and if he can't figure how to go for unstable, he shouldn't |
| 00:05.20 | eaxnt | <william> how can i get unstable packages? |
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| 00:05.34 | freakazoid | Amadeus_: you can use vsound to record whatever's playing on your sound card |
| 00:05.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:05.36 | directhex | you can't "jsut" get kde from sid on woody. it'll need to upgrade 900-odd libraries to come close to running |
| 00:05.37 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.39 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.42 | justin | !+info vsound |
| 00:05.42 | eaxnt | deadcat is the founder of #debian on old opn I think .. |
| 00:05.42 | jsn | Is there a pdf viewer that grabs text? Or am I going to have to use, puke, Windows |
| 00:05.43 | william | citral: so i add sarge? |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | freakazoid: this goes back to my livelyhood argument |
| 00:05.46 | eaxnt | Id show some respect |
| 00:05.48 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 00:05.53 | eaxnt | william: NO , you add 'unstable' ... |
| 00:05.55 | directhex | jsn, tried acroread? |
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| 00:06.26 | citral | william, yeah do that. If you want even higher version numbers, you can go for unstable when you are ready |
| 00:06.26 | deadcat | eaxnt: i think you are refering to "greycat" (= i am deadcat |
| 00:06.28 | jsn | directhex: I'm using gv now. I haven't had acroread in a while. (sometimes it is simply a powerpc thing, but I'll try next) |
| 00:06.31 | freakazoid | Amadeus_: but it would probably be better to find the URL of the sound file by looking at the page source and download it directly with wget or something |
| 00:06.33 | justin | !+find pdftotext |
| 00:06.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdftotext' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/pdftotext) in text/xpdf-utils. |
| 00:06.41 | eaxnt | deadcat: oh , my mistake |
| 00:06.46 | freakazoid | abrotman: So you think that people have a right to just keep doing the same job forever and ever? |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | freakazoid: what same job? |
| 00:06.56 | freakazoid | abrotman: maybe we should have government subsidies for hand waving like India still does? |
| 00:06.58 | jsn | thx justin! thx directhex |
| 00:06.59 | citral | william, you don't "add" sarge, you replace "woody" or "stable" with "sarge" |
| 00:07.05 | dan2 | eaxnt: I have been around here longer than he has :) |
| 00:07.07 | Amadeus_ | freakazoid, I can't. That's why I wrote "dynamically generated". It is not in a file |
| 00:07.10 | freakazoid | abrotman: writing software for direct payment, for example |
| 00:07.11 | dan2 | eaxnt: (deadcat) |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | freakazoid: oh yes .. if someone wants to pay me to wave my hand .. i'm all for it :) |
| 00:07.28 | freakazoid | Amadeus_: what could that possibly mean, dynamically generated? How's it getting to your browser? |
| 00:07.41 | freakazoid | abrotman: HAH! I meant weaving |
| 00:07.43 | peterS | eaxnt: so the difference between harmless activity and stealing is $1 of media costs |
| 00:07.49 | peterS | eaxnt: Assuming you could do this without getting caught (since I know you fear facing the legal consequences of your actions)... |
| 00:07.52 | peterS | eaxnt: would you take a CD from a store but leave $1 behind in the rack? Maybe you could write a note: "Hi. I don't think this CD was worth $18, but here's $1 for the packaging costs. Love, Anonymous Coward" |
| 00:07.54 | abrotman | freakazoid: we have govt subsidies in this country |
| 00:07.55 | freakazoid | abrotman: that was a pretty funny typo, though, don't you think? |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | freakazoid: yes .. it was |
| 00:08.22 | freakazoid | abrotman: yeah, to support inefficient farming methods, inefficient steel mills, inefficient car plants |
| 00:08.27 | eaxnt | peterS: you got it , but it took you 15 minutes to realize that ? not too bright are we ? |
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| 00:08.34 | freakazoid | abrotman: next we can subsidize inefficient music and software distributors as well |