| 00:00.20 | afcpack | hehe... got my camera working with gnomemeeting... :) |
| 00:00.38 | jully | Guerin: have done a few thru a 2stage NAT network |
| 00:00.38 | jully | which shouldn't reallly be any diff to a 1stage NAT but yeah, still happy |
| 00:00.55 | jully | afcpack: what webcams work under linux? |
| 00:01.07 | jully | specifically, what cheap ones |
| 00:01.21 | Guerin | that's cool |
| 00:01.24 | afcpack | jully: I'm using my DV camcorder... firewire |
| 00:02.32 | jully | bummer |
| 00:02.43 | jully | cool - glad it's working! |
| 00:02.58 | jully | what's the quality like? |
| 00:03.46 | afcpack | jully: decent... I'm happy to just get a picture at this point :) |
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| 00:05.13 | myren | recommendations for C++ HTTP client/server libraries? |
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| 00:06.26 | jully | hehe true |
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| 00:07.48 | Terrasque | anyone know how to get tc (as in the script wondershaper) to match anything except an ip range? |
| 00:08.00 | Silmaril- | According to the man page for find(1), the option "-name PATTERN" means "Base of file name matches shell pattern PATTERN". (This is on Debian woody.) "echo *.{pl,c}" shows both files ending in both .pl and .c. But find . -name '*.{pl,c}' finds no files at all! "find . -name '*.pl'" works as expected, finding all the .pl files. What's going on? |
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| 00:09.17 | thomas_adam | Silmaril-: It's not interpreted by the shell. |
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| 00:10.14 | Silmaril- | Yes... It's in single quotes, so it should be interpreted by find(1), as a _shell pattern_, no? |
| 00:10.28 | thomas_adam | Silmaril-: Sorry, that was not what I meant... |
| 00:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: {} is not a shell pattern. It's an expansion. |
| 00:11.00 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: *.{pl,c} expands to *.pl *.c which then gets globbed. |
| 00:11.28 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: what you want is find . -name '*.pl' -or -name '*.c' |
| 00:12.13 | dondelelcaro | or possibly, find . -regex '\.(pl|c)$' |
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| 00:13.23 | Silmaril- | Ah. Thanks. I do have one other related question. The find(1) man page says that the option "-regex PATTERN" means "File name matches regular expression PATTERN." But "ls | grep '*.(c|pl)' finds all the .c and .pl files, while "find . -regex '*.(c|pl)'" finds nothing. |
| 00:13.35 | Silmaril- | s/grep/egrep/ |
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| 00:13.42 | Silmaril- | Yeah, I can't get the -regex thing to work for me. |
| 00:13.49 | Silmaril- | I tried the syntax you showed and it found nothing. |
| 00:13.54 | Grangin_ | Hey, I'm curious if anyone here runs linux on a mini-itx |
| 00:14.06 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: you may need to use -regex '.*\.(pl|c)' |
| 00:14.19 | Silmaril- | That also finds nothing. |
| 00:14.30 | Silmaril- | I also tried backslashing the parenthesis, the bar, and both the parenthesis and the bar. |
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| 00:14.44 | Supaplex | !dhmo |
| 00:14.44 | dpkg | i guess dhmo is DyHydrogen MonoOxide - A deadly substance. Read up on the FAQ at http://www.dhmo.org. Petition Congress to ban the substance NOW! |
| 00:15.00 | Supaplex | hummm cool. |
| 00:16.13 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: find . -regex '.*\.\(pl\|c\)$' works here |
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| 00:16.58 | Silmaril- | dondelelcaro: Hey, that works here too! |
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| 00:17.11 | Silmaril- | Thanks. |
| 00:17.21 | sussudio | http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=2275 |
| 00:17.33 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: info emacs; search for Regexp; and read... |
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| 00:17.46 | sussudio | replacing Unix servers with low grade Dell Servers running win2k made baby jesus very angry. |
| 00:18.05 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: the find man page sucks, so you'll have to use the info pages if you're doing anything moderately complex... |
| 00:18.18 | Silmaril- | it would be nice if the documentation for find(1) referred to a document describing the syntax of the regular expressions it accepts. |
| 00:18.33 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: it does, actually. |
| 00:18.35 | thomas_adam | !man find |
| 00:18.36 | dpkg | EXAMPLES: "find . -type f -name core -print" print all files named "core" recursivesly from `pwd`. "find /usr -type f -perm +6000 -print | xargs ls -l" show all setuid/setgid programs under /usr. "find / -xdev -size +100k -print | xargs ls -l" show all files >100kB in root fs. |
| 00:18.51 | thomas_adam | Silmaril-: The maintainer doesn't want the manpage updated. |
| 00:19.17 | Silmaril- | Oh, ok. I just looked at the info. Wow, that's much better than the man page. Thanks again. |
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| 00:19.55 | afcpack | sussudio: Heard about that... :) |
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| 00:20.02 | Silmaril- | In other programs, there's been a warning at the top of the man page sayign to refer to the info instaed, but there isn't one on the Woody versino of the man page for find(1). |
| 00:20.38 | gothtec | I need to patch iptables to add IMQ. I downloaded the sources from apt, applied the patch (successful) and ran the command "make KERNEL_DIR=<kernel_source_directory> |
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| 00:21.05 | zbowling | haha.. an old company i worked for said that my contract with them prevented me from working for another company and releasing any new programs for 6 months after I left them, so after hearing what I was doing they tried to stop me and said they would sue me, but I just heard from my lawyer that it didn't cover open source products because they said "binary" in my contract... well the contract will up this week anyways, but I went ahead and just released t |
| 00:21.07 | gothtec | however, it just displays the readme, while it works fine on the netfilter.org sources. |
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| 00:21.31 | doublehp | any one got a VOIP client and d accept to test it with me ? |
| 00:21.33 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: pretty much for any thing GNU, they use texinfo. |
| 00:21.34 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:21.40 | Guerin | zbowling: classic |
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| 00:22.00 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: yeah, there's a reason why non-competes suck |
| 00:22.08 | zbowling | company is going under |
| 00:22.18 | Silmaril- | Yeah, but it's subtle to figure out that find(1) is a GNU product. My only clue was the email adderss to send bugs to that was given at the bottom of 'find --help'. |
| 00:22.24 | Silmaril- | Anyway, thanks again. |
| 00:22.28 | Terrasque | zbowling: what are you doing, then? (that open source thingy) |
| 00:22.43 | dondelelcaro | Silmaril-: "This manual page documents the GNU version of find. " [well, at least in Sid, anyway..] |
| 00:22.59 | zbowling | last chance to make it rich... i have a serviced project (GPS tracking system) but I give the gps client out as open source and report viewer as open source |
| 00:23.01 | Silmaril- | Ah so. That's about as subtle as a 2x4 upside the head. |
| 00:23.26 | zbowling | serviced based product* |
| 00:23.53 | thomas_adam | Silmaril-: Really, FFS. |
| 00:24.04 | zbowling | tracking server and reporting engine and hardware are designed by my company |
| 00:24.08 | Silmaril- | Yeah, it was right there. Oh well. I can't find carrots in the fridge either. |
| 00:24.24 | citral | Silmaril-, buy glasses ? |
| 00:24.45 | Terrasque | hahahaha, on that techworld article, the commercial on the side said "Make a name for yourself with Windows Server System." - Great timing |
| 00:24.55 | Silmaril- | Problem Exists Between Eyes and Brain. |
| 00:24.57 | zbowling | HAHAHAHA |
| 00:25.04 | storm | Can you unzip files and keep the chmod:ing of the original files? |
| 00:25.14 | citral | Silmaril-, then stop drugs mmkay :) |
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| 00:25.24 | Silmaril- | storm: It should do that automatically. |
| 00:25.34 | storm | Silmaril-: okay, then I know... thanks |
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| 00:25.37 | Silmaril- | citral: Never! |
| 00:25.37 | bob2 | I doubt zip stores unixpermissions |
| 00:25.49 | dondelelcaro | !gijoe Silmaril- |
| 00:25.50 | dpkg | ($1) <reply> Now you know, $1, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 00:25.52 | dondelelcaro | bah... |
| 00:26.03 | Silmaril- | bob2: According to the man page for unzip, "Dates, times and permissions of stored directories are not restored except under Unix." |
| 00:26.04 | citral | yeah it depends who unzip and where |
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| 00:26.11 | dondelelcaro | !gijoe Silmaril- |
| 00:26.12 | dpkg | Now you know, Silmaril-, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 00:26.16 | bob2 | ah, ok |
| 00:26.29 | bob2 | guess as long as it was *made*on a unix machine? |
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| 00:26.47 | citral | me |
| 00:26.49 | Silmaril- | Probably. Other platforms might have a totally different concept of permissions. |
| 00:26.54 | citral | GI Joe go go go |
| 00:26.55 | zbowling | the zip format can store unix permissions (and they have a space for it in the spec) but i don't know if any really apps do it, |
| 00:26.57 | Noid | dondelelcaro: i know it, but didn't like it |
| 00:27.01 | Silmaril- | didn't have TV growing up. But I played with GI Joe action figures. |
| 00:27.11 | pbryan | Why doesn't Debian use RPM instead of deb? |
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| 00:27.21 | zbowling | because deb is better |
| 00:27.23 | dondelelcaro | pbryan: because it doesn't? And RPM doesn't meet our needs? |
| 00:27.24 | libv | dondelelcaro: the cold war media machine was active here too |
| 00:27.24 | citral | because rpms suck ? |
| 00:27.34 | dan2 | pbryan: rpm sucks cock |
| 00:27.38 | bob2 | rpm as a format is not very different to .deb |
| 00:27.47 | boda | can someone tell me how to upgrade kde 2.2.2 to kde3 ? |
| 00:27.51 | bob2 | wow, deep technical arguments there |
| 00:27.53 | pbryan | But RPM is the dominant format. |
| 00:27.55 | zbowling | deb is rules because it has a better extention |
| 00:27.55 | bob2 | boda: #debian-kde will know |
| 00:28.03 | bob2 | pbryan: rpm was nto the dominant format when .deb was created |
| 00:28.08 | boda | bob2: Thanks! |
| 00:28.09 | dondelelcaro | pbryan: we were using .deb before rpm was the dominant format |
| 00:28.10 | dan2 | pbryan: windows is the dominate platform |
| 00:28.11 | sussudio | need some more trollfood? |
| 00:28.13 | peterrooney | |XO|: I just did two timing runs. tar -zcf took 20m29s, tar -jcf took 94m57s. |
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| 00:28.20 | bob2 | pbryan: and .deb suites Debian far better |
| 00:28.22 | pbryan | lol |
| 00:28.31 | bob2 | er, suits. |
| 00:28.41 | pbryan | sussudio: Were you talking about me? |
| 00:29.02 | peterrooney | |XO|: I just did two timing runs. tar -zcf took 20m29s, tar -jcf took 94m57s (for a 1.3 GB directory). |
| 00:29.11 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: yeah, that sounds about right |
| 00:29.23 | Silmaril- | peter: the uncompress mght be faster with -j though. |
| 00:29.41 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: you remember this from two hours back? you astound me! |
| 00:29.51 | dan2 | peterrooney: you need more memory and higher clock speed |
| 00:30.02 | citral | bah |
| 00:30.08 | citral | !piav |
| 00:30.08 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 00:30.09 | dan2 | peterrooney: probably 2.5gb of memory or above to make that work faster |
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| 00:30.17 | peterrooney | 120 MB, 400 MHz |
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| 00:30.28 | dan2 | peterrooney: that explains it all |
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| 00:30.40 | dan2 | peterrooney: that can't compete with dual opteron wiht 12G of ram |
| 00:30.42 | zbowling | deb has a better extension then rpm... people hear deb and they think... debian.. people hear rpm and they think SUSE, RedFat, etc.. |
| 00:30.49 | peterrooney | dan2: you wouldn't believe what my load averages looked like |
| 00:31.02 | RetardedSmurf | im trying to get audio working on a laptop that has neomagic 256AV (nm2000), i installed alsa and alsa-modules but alsaconf doesnt seem to see any of the modules |
| 00:31.04 | dan2 | peterrooney: 114%? |
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| 00:31.31 | zbowling | why do people think hyperthreading is bad? |
| 00:31.33 | pbryan | Debian should switch to RPM, and make the deb format completely optional. |
| 00:31.35 | peterrooney | dan2: ~ 2.5 1.4 1.1 at one point |
| 00:31.38 | zbowling | i never had a single issue |
| 00:31.40 | dondelelcaro | pbryan: uh, no. |
| 00:32.01 | dan2 | peterrooney: that sucks, my dual opteron never gets higher than 0.0000000000001 at just about any given moment :) |
| 00:32.02 | dondelelcaro | pbryan: do you have anything marginally technical relating Debian to discuss? Or are you just here to troll? |
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| 00:32.12 | zbowling | i think redhat should switch the dominate rpm format... it better supports installing and uninstalling |
| 00:32.17 | pbryan | I'll stop trolling now. |
| 00:32.21 | zbowling | deb* |
| 00:33.29 | zbowling | i know this is way off-topic but does anyone know the GTK function for a simple message box window? I'm not used to GTK |
| 00:33.44 | bob2 | zbowling: #gtk on irc.gnome.org was very good to me |
| 00:34.05 | zbowling | awesome ;-) thanks |
| 00:34.06 | Silmaril- | tkMessageBox? |
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| 00:34.54 | dan2 | bob2: hey |
| 00:35.11 | bob2 | dan2: hi |
| 00:35.19 | zbowling | MessageDialog |
| 00:35.25 | dan2 | bob2: the programming language tour has ended |
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| 00:35.38 | bob2 | dan2: with? |
| 00:35.44 | dan2 | bob2: The Winners: C, Haskell, OCaml, Python |
| 00:35.51 | pbryan | Really. |
| 00:35.52 | dan2 | bob2: ocaml is awesome |
| 00:35.53 | dan2 | :) |
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| 00:36.04 | bob2 | well, fuck me, my dsl has been provisioned |
| 00:36.07 | thomas_adam | dan2: Ruby. |
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| 00:36.16 | dan2 | thomas_adam: how does that compete with ocaml? |
| 00:36.17 | sussudio | !fuck bob2 |
| 00:36.26 | bob2 | hah |
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| 00:36.29 | dan2 | thomas_adam: performance rocks, and an excellent lexer |
| 00:36.31 | thomas_adam | dan2: It wipes its arse with it. |
| 00:36.31 | bob2 | telstra took *2* days |
| 00:36.35 | bob2 | I was expecting ~month |
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| 00:36.52 | sussudio | they must be desperate |
| 00:36.58 | Vitto | nas |
| 00:37.36 | Vitto | un kernel panic que indica que no ha podido montar root en el bloque (3,3) es porque no está bien configurado en el kernel los tipos de sistemas de ficheros? |
| 00:37.52 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:37.53 | Noid | Vitto: #debian-es |
| 00:38.00 | Vitto | sorry |
| 00:38.03 | dan2 | thomas_adam: function (x,y) -> x*y |
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| 00:38.10 | Noid | Vitto: or english here |
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| 00:38.19 | bob2 | dan2: what have you written in ocaml? |
| 00:38.20 | dan2 | thomas_adam: the thing parses the tuple and rips it out and multiplys |
| 00:38.34 | dan2 | bob2: coding a mathematical kernel |
| 00:38.35 | pbryan | !ocaml |
| 00:38.35 | dpkg | [ocaml] an object-oriented functional programming language based on ML, or a programming language doing better than any other in programming contests, or to get latest version (if not in sid) use source deb http://people.debian.org/~zack/ocaml woody main contrib non-free, or ueber alles |
| 00:38.53 | pbryan | Wow, object-oriented, and functional. |
| 00:39.02 | Noid | heh, funny thing is he had a pretty valid question |
| 00:39.36 | Silmaril- | The (3,3) looked promising. Nice to know it wasn't just spanish word salad. |
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| 00:40.08 | dondelelcaro | s/grub/kernel/ |
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| 00:40.29 | Noid | dondelelcaro: you imagined correctly |
| 00:40.40 | dan2 | pbryan: don't use its object system for anything performance critical |
| 00:40.59 | pbryan | dan2: Polymorphism overhead? |
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| 00:41.12 | dan2 | pbryan: well, .. its object system is slow |
| 00:41.12 | sussudio | thomas_adam: welsh? |
| 00:41.24 | dan2 | pbryan: tho, not unusable |
| 00:41.26 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Llgnywd |
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| 00:41.31 | sussudio | boeni boeni boeni |
| 00:41.34 | pbryan | dan2: GC? |
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| 00:41.42 | thomas_adam | Garbage Collector. |
| 00:41.47 | dan2 | pbryan: yeah, ocaml is garbage collected |
| 00:42.02 | Noid | peterS: plain spanish is much more probable (; |
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| 00:42.05 | pbryan | dan2: Everything a growing OO-programmer needs. |
| 00:42.19 | dan2 | pbryan: the object system is just not optomized for speed |
| 00:42.20 | thomas_adam | Pass the sick bucket... |
| 00:42.20 | peterS | Noid: it's not like I know either one. it looked like ca, but what can I say? |
| 00:42.41 | dan2 | pbryan: everything is immutable types |
| 00:42.57 | pbryan | Woah, looks like white-space-equals-syntax in OCaml? |
| 00:43.03 | pbryan | a'la Python? |
| 00:43.15 | dan2 | pbryan: and its best to implement things in tail recursive loops instead of while |
| 00:43.23 | dan2 | pbryan: no, ocaml eats white space |
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| 00:43.35 | pbryan | Okay, good. I'm just looking at sample code, inferring syntax... |
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| 00:44.07 | Noid | peterS: well, they are quite alike, but far less people speak it, and asking in catalan in an international server is not very smart (besides, 99% of people that talk catalan talk spanish too) |
| 00:44.07 | RetardedSmurf | where can i get the module snd-nm256/ |
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| 00:44.26 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: ALSA. |
| 00:44.44 | pbryan | !alsa |
| 00:44.44 | dpkg | somebody said alsa was the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (http://www.alsa-project.org/) the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It replaces OSS (mostly) in 2.6 and offers even better hardware support than OSS. For install information in 2.6, see <alsa 2.6>; for 2.4, see <alsa tutorial>. Oh, and it defaults to muted when loading so use a mixer to get sound. Press 'M' for unmuting, turning up the sound levels isn't sufficient. |
| 00:44.53 | RetardedSmurf | thomas_adam: i installed alsabase and alsa-modules-2.4.26-1-686 |
| 00:44.55 | dan2 | pbryan: ocaml compiles to decent performing C objects |
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| 00:44.58 | thomas_adam | pbryan: Yes, thank you. |
| 00:45.00 | peterS | Noid: well, that's true |
| 00:45.01 | RetardedSmurf | thomas_adam: and alsautils |
| 00:45.07 | csabo2 | RetardedSmurf |
| 00:45.08 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: You want a medal? |
| 00:45.12 | pbryan | dan2: It compiles into C-source? |
| 00:45.12 | csabo2 | run "alsaconf" |
| 00:45.14 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: is it in there? |
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| 00:45.16 | bob2 | thomas_adam: chill out dude |
| 00:45.20 | dan2 | pbryan: C objects |
| 00:45.23 | dan2 | pbryan: .o |
| 00:45.29 | pbryan | Okay, object files. |
| 00:45.31 | csabo2 | RetardedSmurf : run "alsaconf" |
| 00:45.38 | csabo2 | if your card is supported that will load the correct modules |
| 00:45.46 | dan2 | pbryan: interfacing C and OCaml isn't difficult |
| 00:45.48 | bob2 | he/she already said alsaconf didn't help |
| 00:45.53 | csabo2 | ah |
| 00:45.54 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: At least check the alsa website to see if your soundcard is supported... |
| 00:45.59 | csabo2 | then you need a newer version |
| 00:46.02 | RetardedSmurf | csabo2: I ran alsaconf and it saysmodinfo: snd: no module by that name found several times |
| 00:46.06 | bob2 | if he/shw knows the module name, then it probably is |
| 00:46.09 | RetardedSmurf | it is listed there |
| 00:46.11 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: is the module on your system? |
| 00:46.22 | RetardedSmurf | apparently not but i installed the alsa-modules package |
| 00:46.23 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: does "uname -r" print out 2.4.26-1-686? |
| 00:46.32 | csabo2 | did you mod probe it RetardedSmurf? |
| 00:46.37 | RetardedSmurf | 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 00:46.38 | dan2 | pbryan: syntax is simple |
| 00:46.41 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nm256 |
| 00:46.49 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: you installed the wrong module package |
| 00:46.55 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: install alsa-modules-2.4.26-1-386 |
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| 00:48.07 | csabo2 | bob2 what does NFS stand for? |
| 00:48.34 | Guerin | !nfs |
| 00:48.34 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 00:48.49 | csabo2 | Lol |
| 00:48.50 | Avantopia | In which script do I add 'rmmod' so that my Debian Sarge system runs without a few modules that I do not want loaded? |
| 00:48.50 | csabo2 | gotcha |
| 00:48.54 | RetardedSmurf | thx bob2 ill try that , whoops :P |
| 00:48.55 | pbryan | Heh, good one. |
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| 00:49.06 | Guerin | Avantopia: just stop them from loading itfp |
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| 00:49.08 | pbryan | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 00:49.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 00:49.16 | csabo2 | pbryan slow? |
| 00:49.18 | csabo2 | lol |
| 00:49.22 | Avantopia | Guerin, yes... how? |
| 00:49.25 | pbryan | Woah, that's crazy. |
| 00:49.26 | bob2 | Avantopia: a) it probably isn't even worth asking about, b) find out how they're loaded |
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| 00:49.34 | csabo2 | i do ssh tunneled radmin and its slow |
| 00:49.35 | Guerin | Avantopia: what loads them itfp? |
| 00:49.36 | bob2 | Avantopia: which ones are you talking about? |
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| 00:49.39 | pbryan | csabo2: Huh? |
| 00:49.41 | pbryan | Slow? |
| 00:49.44 | csabo2 | yea |
| 00:49.44 | thomas_adam | csabo2: One thing that rocks, is if you install the 'bsdgames' package and use the 'wtf' program to list acronym names. Not all are listed but a fair few are, e.g.: wtf pebkac |
| 00:49.46 | Avantopia | bob2, usblp |
| 00:49.51 | guestish | hi |
| 00:49.53 | pbryan | I imagine it would be. |
| 00:49.59 | csabo2 | yeah |
| 00:50.02 | bob2 | Avantopia: probably hotplug then, add it to it's blacklist |
| 00:50.06 | bob2 | Avantopia: poke in /etc/hotplug |
| 00:50.07 | csabo2 | lol thomas |
| 00:50.16 | Avantopia | bob2, k, thx |
| 00:50.24 | ameoba | Trying to install some hardware drivers... they want to include <asm/irq.h>... which includes "irq_vectors.h". irq_vectors.h lives in .../asm/mach-FOO but there's nothing telling any of the build tools that. |
| 00:50.49 | ameoba | obviously, GCC does not take kindly to this |
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| 00:51.14 | peterS | ameoba: what architecture are you on? |
| 00:51.23 | ameoba | x86 |
| 00:51.27 | ameoba | err... i386 |
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| 00:51.50 | guestish | ameoba: wow, old |
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| 00:52.10 | guestish | ameoba: you should think about upgrading to at least i686 |
| 00:52.21 | bob2 | *boomtish* |
| 00:52.28 | guestish | :) |
| 00:52.42 | ameoba | I'm holding out for the AMD64... |
| 00:52.42 | thomas_adam | csabo2: If it doesn't know the acronym you give it, it then runs 'apropos' over it, and if that draws a blank it gives up. |
| 00:53.02 | guestish | ameoba: i think i386 came out 20 or so years ago... |
| 00:53.26 | peterS | ameoba: hmmm. I suspect your driver is not using the kernel build system |
| 00:53.52 | csabo2 | im installing freebsd rofl |
| 00:53.59 | ameoba | peterS : the problem is that we have .h files that refer to files that don't exist... I just found a bug filed on it... *sigh* |
| 00:54.00 | guestish | csabo2: Porqueeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:54.06 | csabo2 | hm? |
| 00:54.20 | guestish | csabo2: whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy</translation> |
| 00:54.23 | ameoba | ...and it says "don't touch this stuff" |
| 00:54.25 | ameoba | *sigh* |
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| 00:54.43 | csabo2 | Lol its allright |
| 00:54.45 | peterS | ameoba: it appears that the correct -I flag is set automatically if you *do* use the kernel build system correctly |
| 00:54.49 | csabo2 | im using vmware :P |
| 00:54.52 | guestish | csabo2: heh |
| 00:55.01 | csabo2 | in fact im in vmware right now in debian |
| 00:55.10 | csabo2 | i dont trust anything but windows xp and up with my data |
| 00:55.11 | ameoba | peterS: where do I find the kernel build system stuff? |
| 00:55.15 | pbryan | VMware in Debian, or Debian in VMware? |
| 00:55.23 | peterS | ameoba: it's documented ... let me see if I can dig up an example |
| 00:55.28 | csabo2 | simply put, ive had a number of hard drive crashes and broke MBR's from linux |
| 00:55.34 | mink | how to resetup where apt gets packages from? |
| 00:55.35 | Guerin | csabo2: that makes you a stupid twat! Collect your prize at the door! |
| 00:55.37 | csabo2 | crashes i just blame linxu for |
| 00:55.42 | csabo2 | hardly |
| 00:55.46 | Guerin | csabo2: user error. |
| 00:55.48 | csabo2 | ive never had a single issue with xp |
| 00:55.48 | pbryan | lol |
| 00:55.49 | guestish | csabo2: lol |
| 00:55.50 | sussudio | must be troll night |
| 00:55.54 | csabo2 | yes Guerin it is |
| 00:55.55 | thomas_adam | mink: apt-setup, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:55.56 | guestish | !+user error |
| 00:55.57 | pbryan | Okay, can I troll again? |
| 00:56.00 | guestish | pbryan: no |
| 00:56.05 | pbryan | :( |
| 00:56.12 | csabo2 | besides i cant get alsa 1.0.7 to load in debian |
| 00:56.13 | csabo2 | so i have no sound |
| 00:56.21 | guestish | csabo2: i think a high level of user error exists around you :) |
| 00:56.24 | Silmaril- | Debian Barbie says "Sound is Hard". |
| 00:56.26 | csabo2 | so that is what finally led me back to windows as host os |
| 00:56.30 | Guerin | haha -> tcw@europa.bundesunixminister.org |
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| 00:56.33 | guestish | !applaud csabo2 |
| 00:56.34 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, csabo2 |
| 00:56.34 | mink | ty thomas |
| 00:56.34 | csabo2 | not much |
| 00:56.38 | csabo2 | lol |
| 00:56.40 | pbryan | lol |
| 00:56.44 | csabo2 | well my card is ghetto |
| 00:56.45 | csabo2 | my audigy died |
| 00:56.52 | csabo2 | and my card is a dell OEM card that only works on 1.0.6 and up |
| 00:57.01 | csabo2 | and for some reason the emu10k1x module wont load right |
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| 00:57.09 | csabo2 | and i cant very well sit in silence :P |
| 00:57.09 | guestish | !comfort csabo2 |
| 00:57.10 | dpkg | There, there, csabo2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:57.22 | pbryan | Okay, serious question disguised as a troll: Any legitimate use for a FAT32 filesystem on a 200 GB drive? |
| 00:57.28 | Guerin | no |
| 00:57.29 | guestish | pbryan: yes |
| 00:57.29 | csabo2 | no |
| 00:57.31 | csabo2 | NTFS |
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| 00:57.44 | guestish | pbryan: its the only fs that can be written to in windows and linux |
| 00:57.49 | peterS | ameoba: ok. all you really have to do is create a Makefile with a few simple lines like: obj-m := drivername.o drivername-objs := obj1.o obj2.o obj3.o |
| 00:57.49 | guestish | pbryan: other than that, no |
| 00:57.54 | Guerin | Never-Tested Filesystem ? |
| 00:57.56 | pbryan | How about drive in portable enclosure containing my entire FLAC and MP3 collection? |
| 00:58.04 | Silmaril- | pbryan: Maybe as a a filesystem for an embedded device using a keychain USB 200 MB drive. |
| 00:58.04 | peterS | ameoba: then: make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build M=$(pwd) |
| 00:58.11 | cafuego | guestish: Nonsense, with a small payware tool Windows can write to ext2/ext3 just fine. |
| 00:58.14 | guestish | pbryan: fat32 is probably the worst fs, but its also the simplest |
| 00:58.18 | Avantopia | guestish, I write to NTFS all the time. |
| 00:58.20 | Silmaril- | But GB? No. |
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| 00:58.23 | csabo2 | and whats great about 2gb of ram is you can have 3 os's running in vmware and host os isnt sluggish at all |
| 00:58.24 | guestish | cafuego: meh |
| 00:58.27 | csabo2 | Avantopia in linux? |
| 00:58.30 | cafuego | guestish: Before you say payware sucks, the tool is a hell of a lot cheaper then Windows XP. |
| 00:58.32 | Avantopia | csabo2, yeah |
| 00:58.34 | guestish | cafuego: heh |
| 00:58.34 | csabo2 | and you can still access your data? |
| 00:58.36 | csabo2 | may i ask how |
| 00:58.38 | peterS | ameoba: where 'drivername' is the module name you wish to build, and 'obj1.c obj2.c obj3.c' are the source files |
| 00:58.41 | guestish | cafuego: i know of a cheap read-only free one |
| 00:58.46 | guestish | cafuego: so cheap its free ;) |
| 00:58.49 | guestish | and i dont mind fat32 |
| 00:58.51 | hcl_ | hi, I have a bash script that I need to run it as a daemon in the back ground when I log off my terminal. Anyone done this before? |
| 00:59.07 | Silmaril- | hcl_: nohup |
| 00:59.08 | guestish | hcl_: you need a daemon to run as a daemon |
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| 00:59.16 | Klipper | hey all |
| 00:59.19 | cafuego | guestish: I got a free copy of the payware one with a magazine; works great. Drive L:\ is /home, read-write. |
| 00:59.25 | guestish | cafuego: cool |
| 00:59.37 | guestish | cafuego: got a link? |
| 00:59.46 | guestish | cafuego: or even better how about a copy of the software :) |
| 00:59.50 | hcl_ | Silmaril-: thnx |
| 00:59.51 | Noid | cafuego: what tool is that? |
| 00:59.52 | cafuego | guestish: Lemme think... paragon software... |
| 01:00.00 | cafuego | Noid: Ext2Anywhere |
| 01:00.16 | Klipper | i was wondering what packages it would be a good dea to install on a laptop system that will use a digi-cam, usb thumb drive, wifi card? |
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| 01:00.23 | Guerin | hcl_: screen |
| 01:00.36 | Noid | cafuego: and how expensive is it? |
| 01:00.45 | cafuego | Noid: no idea... |
| 01:00.50 | hcl_ | yeah screen could do it but it's sorta ... ;-) |
| 01:01.10 | Noid | cafuego: ok, thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 01:01.11 | Guerin | hcl_: screen seems kinda ideal for this task |
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| 01:01.27 | ameoba | peterS: I'll have to try that tommorrow when I get back to the machine that it's on |
| 01:01.55 | hcl_ | looking for something lightweight, but if nothing works, i could use screen |
| 01:01.57 | peterS | ameoba: it really is that simple, unless you need to pass additional arguments to the compiler, like defines or whatnot. even those aren't all that hard |
| 01:01.59 | ameoba | peterS: thanks for the info |
| 01:02.24 | freemo | !find ip |
| 01:02.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ip' (15 shown; 294 total): aespipe ;; apt-zip ;; bzip2 ;; chiark-scripts ;; chipcard-tools ;; chipmunk-log ;; chipmunk-log-doc ;; cipe-common ;; cipe-source ;; cl-paip ;; cl-pipes ;; classpath-common-unzipped ;; clipbook ;; clips ;; clips-common. |
| 01:02.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | any idea how i could do something like ./program > :0 |
| 01:02.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | ? |
| 01:02.36 | freemo | grrr |
| 01:02.48 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: ? |
| 01:02.49 | freemo | anyone know the package i need to get to be able to do the "ip route" command? |
| 01:02.50 | Silmaril- | 0x: That's valid shell syntax. What's the problem? |
| 01:03.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, i want to display the program to a user |
| 01:03.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | it's a gnome program |
| 01:03.14 | Silmaril- | freemo: IOS? |
| 01:03.22 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: export DISPLAY=:0 && ./program |
| 01:03.26 | doublehp | any one got a VOIP client and d accept to test it with me ? |
| 01:03.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | i want to send it to a terminal |
| 01:03.29 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: (with correct perms) |
| 01:03.32 | Klipper | does anyone know what packages i should install on a laptop system that will use a digi-cam, usb thumb drive & wifi card? |
| 01:03.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 01:03.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
| 01:03.42 | Noid | freemo: iproute |
| 01:03.48 | freemo | thanks |
| 01:03.49 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: if it is in a term: xterm -e ./program |
| 01:03.50 | RetardedSmurf | i ran alsaconf, i see the modules under lsmod, but when i run aplay ding.wav I get aplay: main:507: audio open error: No such device, anyideas? |
| 01:03.54 | Silmaril- | env DISPLAY=:0 ./program # limits the DISPLAY variable to just that program |
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| 01:04.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | thomas_adam: know a place where i could have such informations like also the same thing for terminals... ? |
| 01:04.41 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: Eh? |
| 01:05.01 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: l'anglais, svp... :) |
| 01:05.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 01:05.10 | freemo | updatedb & |
| 01:05.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | well for a console program ? |
| 01:05.22 | freemo | oopsie |
| 01:05.35 | thomas_adam | Ox0F0-0FF: screen, with screen -x for ever user needing to see it. |
| 01:05.49 | doublehp | Ox0F0-0FF: I love your nick |
| 01:06.04 | freemo | can anyone give me some quick real basic instructions on getting nfs up .. im in a bit of a bind here and need a quick solution for transfering files |
| 01:06.11 | Silmaril- | freemo: ftp |
| 01:06.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | doublehp: if it's not sarcastic, thanks, though, most of ppl don't liek it |
| 01:06.15 | freemo | asg, that jsut lists the currently running jobs |
| 01:06.17 | asg | freemo: scp |
| 01:06.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 01:06.19 | Silmaril- | err, rsync |
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| 01:06.28 | freemo | AsadANDu, scp? |
| 01:06.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | Silmaril-: thanks |
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| 01:06.39 | freemo | err i meant asg |
| 01:06.44 | asg | freemo: scp (secure copy) part of the openssh suite |
| 01:06.53 | Silmaril- | freemo: Dunno about you, but when I think, "man I have to transfer some files quick", my first thought is not NFS. |
| 01:06.58 | freemo | asg, ahhhh a comma nd thanks |
| 01:07.16 | manfriend | quick question folks. hate to do it, i know its annoying. how/where do i configure the timeout the turns the screen black at console? |
| 01:07.27 | meff | does anyone know how to get the linux console to display ansi/ascii stuff? running links, the boxes all have funky shaped U's around the box.. |
| 01:07.30 | Guerin | rsync over ssh |
| 01:07.31 | asg | manfriend: man xset (X) or man setterm |
| 01:07.32 | freemo | Silmaril-, true.. |
| 01:08.18 | thomas_adam | manfriend: console: setterm -blank 0, X: xset -dpms off, xset s off, xset s noblank |
| 01:08.30 | manfriend | asg i tried setterm -powersave off, theres no x running |
| 01:09.08 | thomas_adam | Mmmmm. |
| 01:09.43 | asg | manfriend: try thomas_adam's -blank 0 |
| 01:09.44 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 01:09.50 | asg | dan2: evening |
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| 01:09.56 | dan2 | asg: so... tired |
| 01:10.09 | asg | dan2: yeah, it's been a very long week already |
| 01:10.16 | manfriend | asg, thomas_adam, okie doke and thanks |
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| 01:10.55 | dan2 | asg: the prog. lang. tour has ended |
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| 01:11.05 | asg | dan2: and the final verdict? |
| 01:11.10 | dan2 | asg: OCaml |
| 01:11.31 | freemo | ssh isnt an option for me either... so i think nfs is the only thing ic an use for quick transfer (iim running on amachine that needs to get a file transfered across thenetwork beore it can access the internet to download more. which means the box doesnt have the ssh client installed (but it should be able to do nfs |
| 01:11.32 | asg | dan2: LDAP bindings? |
| 01:11.37 | thomas_adam | apt-cake |
| 01:11.39 | dan2 | asg: I bet, hold on |
| 01:11.42 | boreas | where and how should i look to avoid submititng a duplicate bug report - there are about 3-4 that i'd like to report, but I don't want to submit duplicates... |
| 01:12.05 | asg | boreas: just append to the existing report |
| 01:12.09 | dan2 | !find ldap ocaml |
| 01:12.14 | asg | boreas: mail <bugnumber>@bugs.debian.org |
| 01:12.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ldap ocaml' returned no results. |
| 01:12.20 | dan2 | libldap-ocaml - LDAP bindings for OCaml |
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| 01:12.24 | dan2 | asg: ^^ |
| 01:12.39 | boreas | i don't know if there is an existing report or not |
| 01:12.40 | asg | dan2: quite, and mysql? (what about freetds/sybase support) |
| 01:12.45 | boreas | how do i find out? |
| 01:12.56 | thomas_adam | boreas: Read the BTS. |
| 01:13.00 | boreas | asg, you're saying it's okay to submit duplicate reports? Or only if you append |
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| 01:13.04 | boreas | thomas_adam, BTS? |
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| 01:13.26 | thomas_adam | boreas: You shouldn't be submitting bug reports, if you don't know what the BTS is. |
| 01:13.27 | dan2 | asg: mysql yes, I dunno about freetds, worth a look |
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| 01:13.44 | asg | dan2: yeah, that's another necessity for anything work related. |
| 01:13.44 | thomas_adam | !tell boreas about bts |
| 01:13.55 | dan2 | asg: http://kenn.frap.net/ocaml-freetds/ |
| 01:13.57 | freemo | !tell freemo about nfs |
| 01:13.59 | thomas_adam | *cough* ruby *cough* |
| 01:14.02 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:14.05 | asg | thomas_adam: bah |
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| 01:14.26 | boreas | thomas_adam, ack, don't shoot me. |
| 01:14.29 | thomas_adam | freemo: You really need to look at www.tldp.org -- two very good NFS walk throughs there. |
| 01:14.40 | thomas_adam | asg: Heh. |
| 01:14.44 | thomas_adam | boreas: Bang. |
| 01:14.49 | dan2 | asg: any others? |
| 01:14.49 | boreas | thomas_adam, darn. |
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| 01:15.02 | asg | thomas_adam: the only toy language I use is 'lua' (for hacking on ion) |
| 01:15.12 | freemo | thomas_adam, im doing this now.. its jsut im in a bit of a rush |
| 01:15.17 | thomas_adam | asg: Oi.. Ruby is not a toy language. :) |
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| 01:15.22 | asg | dan2: hmmmm, that about sums up my current requirements |
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| 01:15.31 | Silmaril- | freemo: It can't use NFS unless it has the module or its compiled into the kernel. I'd floppy over a statically linked 'scp'. |
| 01:15.35 | asg | thomas_adam: ;) |
| 01:15.36 | thomas_adam | freemo: Are you using a stock kernel? |
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| 01:16.04 | freemo | damnit... Silmaril- what was does the system come with for transfering files across the network? |
| 01:16.18 | asg | freemo: probably tftp |
| 01:16.23 | freemo | thomas_adam, yes its a completly fresh install as of a few minutes ago |
| 01:16.26 | dan2 | asg: and if you don't want to use that driver, you can always use ocaml with odbc |
| 01:16.31 | Silmaril- | I think all debian installs come with scp these days. |
| 01:16.33 | freemo | asg, *nod* thanks |
| 01:16.44 | thomas_adam | freemo: Then that kernel has support for NFS. You'll also need userland nfs tools though. |
| 01:16.49 | freemo | Silmaril-, maybe it comes with scp but not an ssh client |
| 01:16.50 | guestish | what IS nfs? |
| 01:16.54 | peterS | Silmaril-: it's possible to install debian and not get ssh (which scp is part of) |
| 01:16.57 | asg | dan2: nah, I have no use for the shit that is odbc |
| 01:17.03 | Silmaril- | peterS: okay. |
| 01:17.04 | asg | guestish: network file system |
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| 01:17.11 | freemo | thomas_adam, actually not even scp |
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| 01:17.14 | guestish | asg: well yeah, but what is it? |
| 01:17.16 | thomas_adam | guestish: No F***ing Security. |
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| 01:17.23 | Silmaril- | !nfs |
| 01:17.23 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 01:17.27 | dan2 | asg: ocaml == garbage collected, object-oriented, functional programming language with lots and lots of libraries |
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| 01:17.37 | guestish | thomas_adam: so whats a secure alternative? |
| 01:17.39 | asg | guestish: it's an rpc based system for sharing files between unix systems |
| 01:17.39 | thomas_adam | dan2: Sounds like Ru... |
| 01:17.47 | thomas_adam | guestish: NTFS. :) |
| 01:17.55 | asg | !nfs |
| 01:17.55 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 01:17.57 | guestish | asg: ah...is there a secure alternative? |
| 01:17.58 | dan2 | thomas_adam: you can't do anything functional in Ruby, its too slow :) |
| 01:18.07 | thomas_adam | dan2: type faster. :) |
| 01:18.21 | asg | guestish: there have been attempts; sfs was the last I saw that was remotely worthy |
| 01:18.21 | Viddy | !dpkg ssh tunneled nfs |
| 01:18.22 | dpkg | ssh tunneled nfs is probably http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 01:19.13 | dan2 | asg: whats wrong with afs, its fairly secure |
| 01:19.30 | dan2 | asg: well its secure if you think blowfish is secure |
| 01:19.36 | asg | dan2: it's okay |
| 01:19.43 | RetardedSmurf | why cant we just have all our files on phpaste and just use the "honor" system |
| 01:19.44 | FieldySnuts | heh @ no fucking security |
| 01:19.46 | FieldySnuts | love that |
| 01:20.05 | asg | RetardedSmurf: because if you want to do that, nfs is faster |
| 01:20.22 | dan2 | asg: WARNING: OCaml has extermely static types |
| 01:20.27 | dan2 | asg: and its very very safe |
| 01:20.44 | dan2 | asg: you have to use different operators for floats and ints |
| 01:21.04 | guestish | asg: ? |
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| 01:21.19 | dan2 | asg: prelubricated |
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| 01:21.29 | asg | dan2: and ribbed for my pleasure I hope |
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| 01:21.39 | dan2 | asg: of course |
| 01:22.02 | asg | dan2: different operators for floats and ints eh? |
| 01:22.09 | bwlang | dan2: um the ribs are for *her* pleasure... |
| 01:22.25 | dan2 | bwlang: I am just joking with asg chill out |
| 01:22.43 | dan2 | asg: '+' for ints, '+.' for floats |
| 01:22.50 | asg | dan2: odd |
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| 01:22.56 | cafuego | dan2: No, you're not joking with asg. You *will* stay away from my bitch. |
| 01:22.56 | marmoset | so, I have 600 megs of missing ram. I couldn't find what was using it, so I went to single user, and it was still used. ps auxww isn't showing what might be using it, how else can I figure out what it is? this is 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:22.58 | dan2 | asg: I said it was very very type safe |
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| 01:23.12 | asg | dan2: apparently :) |
| 01:23.13 | dan2 | cafuego: I already have my own |
| 01:23.22 | asg | cafuego: haha |
| 01:23.25 | mink | XFree 4.2.1 packages for woody - how to get :? |
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| 01:23.44 | asg | mink: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:23.50 | cafuego | mink: update to sarge and be done with it. |
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| 01:23.56 | asg | mink: or upgrade to sarge (it should be stable soonishly) |
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| 01:24.14 | mink | suggested a good site to walk me through that? |
| 01:24.23 | asg | mink: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 01:24.28 | mink | ty |
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| 01:24.38 | cafuego | asg: www.google.com www.debian.org |
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| 01:24.43 | cafuego | eh |
| 01:24.47 | cafuego | s/asg/mink/ |
| 01:25.51 | dan2 | asg: I think I am going to bed, gnite |
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| 01:25.52 | Shorty` | are there any debian respositories for using captive ntfs anywhere? |
| 01:25.52 | asg | dan2: night |
| 01:25.52 | mink | in /etc/apt/sources.list there is no mention of woody, so what to change to sarge? |
| 01:25.52 | Shorty` | stable |
| 01:25.52 | Shorty` | to sarge |
| 01:25.52 | mink | ah |
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| 01:26.11 | asg | cafuego: this is your conspiracy isn't it? googling for www.debian.org presents the following: 'Select a server near you: Australia. ... |
| 01:26.14 | mink | ty |
| 01:26.17 | dan2 | asg: ocaml also has a nice threading library |
| 01:26.26 | Shorty` | ahah |
| 01:26.26 | asg | dan2: nifty |
| 01:26.33 | Shorty` | that's because australia rocks *ducks* |
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| 01:27.00 | Luciano_Designer | !portugues |
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| 01:27.11 | asg | !tell Luciano_Designer about portuguese |
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| 01:27.39 | Shorty` | so, has anyone here even toyed with captive-ntfs |
| 01:27.40 | Shorty` | ? |
| 01:27.40 | skywolf | configure for foo says i need posix thread support |
| 01:27.45 | FieldySnuts | heck no. screw ntfs |
| 01:27.52 | skywolf | i thought that was more or less standard |
| 01:27.54 | asg | skywolf: apt-cache search posix thread dev |
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| 01:28.03 | risky | I have Shorty, works ok |
| 01:28.04 | skywolf | asg: ok |
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| 01:28.47 | Shorty` | risky, mine seems to just sit there when I try and mount |
| 01:28.49 | Shorty` | any ideas? |
| 01:29.03 | Zap-W | hey when i try to fsck.reiser4 --build-fs /dev/hda1 , i get this NO REISER4 METADATA WERE FOUND. FS RECOVERY IS NOT POSSIBLE. |
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| 01:29.22 | asg | skywolf: it might just be libc6-dev though |
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| 01:29.40 | risky | Shorty`, did you do all that installation you're supposed to? mine just went ok |
| 01:29.44 | FieldySnuts | i think that's a pretty obvious error |
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| 01:30.32 | try_catch_this | there a live cd that can resize my ext3 linux partition? |
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| 01:30.52 | try_catch_this | it seems I cant resize it while its mounted (duh) |
| 01:31.06 | asg | try_catch_this: iirc, the new sarge installer has parted on it (otherwise, use knoppix or gentoo's cd) |
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| 01:33.04 | try_catch_this | I tried the debian business card cd installer but that didnt want to resize it |
| 01:33.05 | freemo | !find iproute |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | iproute: (Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels), section net, is optional. Version: 20010824-13.1 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 808 kB |
| 01:33.24 | freemo | how can i tell what dependencies a package has? |
| 01:33.34 | try_catch_this | I guess the easiest way might be to find a program that can do it from windows |
| 01:33.37 | asg | freemo: apt-cache show <pkg> | grep ^Depends |
| 01:33.48 | freemo | asg, thank you |
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| 01:34.03 | asg | freemo: you're welcome |
| 01:34.34 | try_catch_this | I must learn of the grep thinggy |
| 01:34.34 | try_catch_this | comes up often |
| 01:34.50 | asg | try_catch_this: grep(1) is your friend |
| 01:35.04 | mink | sugestions for a windows manager? |
| 01:35.07 | asg | mink: ion |
| 01:35.17 | Silmaril- | No, it's a GNU program. See <http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html> instead of the man page. |
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| 01:35.27 | mink | ion? |
| 01:35.36 | asg | mink: but only if you are into ultra-functionality-hackable and no eye-candy |
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| 01:35.50 | mink | how about something alittle less expert like :P |
| 01:35.55 | asg | mink: xfce |
| 01:36.02 | csabo2 | where cna i get sid releases |
| 01:36.07 | csabo2 | i cant find them |
| 01:36.09 | asg | mink: or any of the *box wms (i.e. fluxbox or openbox) |
| 01:36.11 | mink | been on that before :) just was curious if would hear something else |
| 01:36.14 | asg | csabo2: there are non |
| 01:36.21 | mwilson | csabo2: There are no "sid releases". |
| 01:36.24 | freemo | what makes a wm a "box" ? |
| 01:36.32 | csabo2 | .. |
| 01:36.37 | freemo | does that denote bare-bones? |
| 01:36.38 | csabo2 | there are no SID images? |
| 01:36.40 | asg | csabo2: install woody or sarge and upgrade (provided you've read the faq (/msg dpkg sid faq)) |
| 01:36.50 | csabo2 | gotcha |
| 01:36.58 | asg | csabo2: no, that would be silly and a waste of CPU resources |
| 01:37.04 | try_catch_this | earlier I asked about sharing a network witl windows and someone suggested samba, inorder to share a network with 2 linux pc's connectted via network card is samba enough? |
| 01:37.16 | Silmaril- | try: yes. |
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| 01:37.41 | asg | try_catch_this: or nfs, scp, sftp (and others) |
| 01:37.44 | PerfDave | try_catch_this: What do you mean by "share a network"? Share an external connection, or share files between the two PCs? |
| 01:37.50 | Silmaril- | One machine can smbmount the share exported by the other, and any then they will share that directory tree. |
| 01:38.03 | try_catch_this | share files |
| 01:38.03 | Silmaril- | s/any then/then/ |
| 01:38.12 | try_catch_this | I should have been more specific sorry |
| 01:38.20 | PerfDave | try_catch_this: You might look into NFS instead; it might be easier to set up. |
| 01:38.23 | steve_ | hey- does anyone know where i could find a map of how ip adresses were allocated? like to education, amateur radio, ISPs? |
| 01:38.38 | try_catch_this | share files and ultimately share an internet connection |
| 01:39.19 | Hamled | is there a way to restart X without loosing my current session in X? |
| 01:39.28 | PerfDave | try_catch_this: To share an internet connection, you probably want to look into IP masquerading. There's some good guides for how to set it up at netfilter.org |
| 01:39.37 | PerfDave | Hamled: I don't believe so. |
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| 01:39.44 | Hamled | PerfDave, k |
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| 01:41.32 | grubb | I have 'Port 22' in '/etc/ssh/sshd_config' , and wanna change the port. is there a limit/maximum for port number? |
| 01:41.39 | Silmaril- | grubb: 65535 |
| 01:41.44 | grubb | thanks :) |
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| 01:42.55 | alejandro_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.05 | alejandro_ | sorry |
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| 01:43.14 | csabo2 | lol |
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| 01:43.24 | alejandro_ | :) |
| 01:43.38 | alejandro_ | didn't see the " " :P |
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| 01:44.09 | phug | what happened to kernel-pcmcia-modules and pcmcia-modules with kernel 2.6+ ? |
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| 01:44.44 | skywolf | asg: apt-cache didn't work completely, but it did find the name of the relevant .deb file. i installed it and am about to compile foo again. thnx |
| 01:45.02 | asg | skywolf: :) |
| 01:45.28 | Silmaril- | phug: What do you mean, "what happened"? They still exist... |
| 01:45.41 | digi | hello, i just installed debian (sarge) and i'm trying to upgrade the kernel however i got many script/basic/fixedep.c errors so i downloaded the kernel headers for my current kernel...not too sure how to make the system realize they're there tho, they're just sitting in /usr/src/ any ideas? |
| 01:45.52 | phug | Silmaril-: I don't see a 2.6 version in Synaptic or when I apt-cache search |
| 01:46.09 | Silmaril- | phug: apt-cache search kernel-pcmcia-modules shows a bunch of things like "kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.26-1-686" on my system. |
| 01:46.12 | PerfDave | digi: How are you trying to upgrade the kernel? If you're trying to compile your own, you need kernel-souce not kernel-headers. |
| 01:46.21 | Silmaril- | And I'm running 2.6.7 |
| 01:46.42 | digi | PerfDave: well i downloaded the 2.6.8.1 source...but the kernel version i have from the install is 2.4...but its missing the headers... |
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| 01:46.56 | PerfDave | digi: You may want to read Chapter 9 of the Installation Manual, the section on kernel compilation. |
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| 01:47.17 | sivang | has anybody had any experience installing on a 16MB system ? ;) |
| 01:47.20 | phug | Silmaril-: do you know why I wouldn't be able to see them? |
| 01:47.26 | PerfDave | digi: kernel-source packages contain everything you need to compile a new kernel. |
| 01:47.28 | Silmaril- | phug: Maybe you need to update. Try apt-cache update. |
| 01:47.34 | digi | PerfDave: ive compiled a kernel before...but usually the system has all the kernel headers from the current installed kernel...just not sure how to get them seen as the instalation i did didnt do it for me |
| 01:47.44 | phug | Silmaril-: I did ... still no luck |
| 01:48.00 | PerfDave | digi: If you installed a kernel-source package you shoudl be fine and need to re-read the installation manual. |
| 01:48.02 | Silmaril- | phug: Perhaps the machines you have listed as sources in /etc/apt/sources.list aren't up-to-date? Other than that, I have no idea. |
| 01:48.20 | nostalg1c | EXT3-fs error (device hdb) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted -- anyone recognize that error? |
| 01:48.22 | phug | Silmaril-: okay, I'll try new ones. thanks.. |
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| 01:48.35 | PerfDave | !tell digi about msg |
| 01:49.05 | digi | PerfDave: may i msg you plz :) |
| 01:49.19 | Silmaril- | Yes, but only if you use lots of abbreviations. |
| 01:49.54 | PerfDave | digi: I'd rather you didn't, I'm about to go to bed. |
| 01:50.20 | digi | well its just when i do make xconfig i get all these errors |
| 01:50.25 | digi | thats why i need the kernel headers |
| 01:50.31 | digi | so i can actually compile stuff |
| 01:50.35 | digi | its a fresh install |
| 01:51.03 | PerfDave | digi: If you've got a problem doing make *config then headers has nothign to do with it. |
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| 01:51.31 | chealer | hi everyone, I was reading Debian-desktop information recently and it suggested installing udev (for plug-and-play). is it possible this caused X to refuse to start? I had to uninstall udev otherwise mdetect returned nothing and X said core devices weren't found |
| 01:51.33 | PerfDave | digi: Where did you get this kernel source? |
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| 01:51.49 | Silmaril- | From a dealer down the street. |
| 01:52.02 | digi | PerfDave: kernel.org |
| 01:52.19 | PerfDave | digi: Is 2.6.8.1 not available as a Debian package yet? |
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| 01:52.27 | PerfDave | chealer: udev may well have changed your mouse device name in /dev, and you'll need to update your X configuration appropriately with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:52.31 | digi | i don't know i didnt check, im just used to compiling manually |
| 01:52.51 | chealer | PerfDave: but I did try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:53.00 | PerfDave | digi: Yes, you can still install a kernel-source package which will have Debian-specific patches. Either way, it should work. |
| 01:53.05 | chealer | maybe this caused different X errors though |
| 01:53.09 | PerfDave | digi: And if it doesn't work, then kernel headers aren't the problem. |
| 01:53.26 | chealer | I was surprised because I don't remember being warned about that |
| 01:53.30 | PerfDave | !xconfig |
| 01:53.30 | dpkg | xconfig is, like, for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev, or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 01:54.11 | chealer | anyway if mouse just changed shouldn't mdetect have outputted something? |
| 01:54.23 | PerfDave | Maybe mdetect isn't udev-aware. |
| 01:54.32 | PerfDave | chealer: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 01:54.35 | PerfDave | See if that helps. |
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| 01:54.52 | PerfDave | digi: You should really learn to build kernels with make-kpkg, it's much easier. |
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| 01:55.31 | digi | well ok but one sec |
| 01:55.33 | freemo | how do i mount a scsi drive.. i looked in /proc and it does see the scsi drives as there but when i try to mount /dev/sdX it says invalid block device |
| 01:55.39 | digi | maybe the problem here is the tk |
| 01:55.49 | digi | should i install 8.3 or 8.4? |
| 01:56.07 | PerfDave | digi: Does "make config" work? "make menuconfig" after installing libncurses5-dev? |
| 01:56.24 | PerfDave | digi: No idea, I never use xconfig. If you're compiling a 2.6 kernel, the factoid suggests that you should install neither |
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| 01:57.01 | phug | Why does apt-cache search pcmcia not list any pcmcia-modules for kernel 2.6+ (only for 2.4x)? Did the modules get put into the kernel-image pkg or somewhere else? |
| 01:57.17 | digi | PerfDave: ok maybe i dont have libcurses installed either, lol no make config doesnt work just yet either |
| 01:57.26 | dondelelcaro | phug: those are all included in teh stock kernel package |
| 01:58.40 | phug | dondelelcaro: do you know anything about the yenta_socket module? |
| 01:58.43 | PerfDave | digi: Which variant of Debian are you running? |
| 01:59.11 | dondelelcaro | phug: I think that's in the 2.6 kernel-image package proper... |
| 01:59.20 | digi | PerfDave: sarge (Testing) |
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| 01:59.32 | phug | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 01:59.37 | digi | ah ok make config is working now |
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| 02:00.02 | digi | ok you're right now i need tk |
| 02:00.20 | PerfDave | digi: Not for a 2.6 kernel you don't. Read the factoid again. |
| 02:00.21 | digi | which should i install 8.3? cuz i se 8.4 |
| 02:00.30 | PerfDave | !tell digi about xconfig |
| 02:00.51 | digi | oh ok |
| 02:00.52 | digi | thx |
| 02:01.02 | freemo | well im officially a linux user.. i have now converted the last of my systems to linux |
| 02:01.10 | thomas_adam | digi: Just install libncurses5-dev, and use menuconfig, or can you not handle that? |
| 02:01.19 | Eclipser | freemo, congratulations |
| 02:01.28 | freemo | Eclipser, thanks, i deserve it :) |
| 02:01.30 | PerfDave | thomas_adam: No reason not to use xconfig if that's what you want to do, though. |
| 02:01.42 | digi | you should change the bot message to read libqt3-dev |
| 02:01.46 | digi | libqt-dev doesn't exist |
| 02:01.48 | PerfDave | Most of my systems are headless so I've never bothered ;) |
| 02:02.09 | digi | i told you, kernel.org |
| 02:02.13 | Eclipser | PerfDave, except that xconfig sucks and gconfig is better? |
| 02:02.22 | digi | oh sorry |
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| 02:02.52 | PerfDave | Eclipser: I've never used gconfig, xconfig seemed fine when I used it, and I'm naturally wary of Gnome-related crapware. |
| 02:03.08 | digi | lol |
| 02:03.20 | PerfDave | digi: libqt-dev exists in woody, however |
| 02:03.26 | digi | ah ok |
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| 02:03.48 | Eclipser | even menuconfig is better than xconfig, in my opinion :) |
| 02:04.10 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Well, that's your opinion, feel free to STFU :) |
| 02:04.20 | ccs | excuse me, is there an iso i can use for a netinstall of sarge on an amd64? |
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| 02:04.41 | digi | PerfDave: /bin/sh: line 1: g++: command not found |
| 02:04.41 | digi | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/qconf.o] Error 127 |
| 02:04.42 | digi | make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 |
| 02:04.48 | PerfDave | !xconfig |
| 02:04.48 | dpkg | i heard xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 02:04.56 | dondelelcaro | digi: install build-essential; |
| 02:05.12 | Eclipser | !gconfig |
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| 02:05.13 | PerfDave | !tell ccs about amd64 |
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| 02:05.19 | cafuego | PerfDave: xconfig is KDE reelated crapware. |
| 02:05.34 | Eclipser | umm |
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| 02:05.37 | Eclipser | it's not? |
| 02:05.40 | PerfDave | cafuego: KDE-related crapware > Gnome related crapware. And that's why it's called xconfig and not kconfig ;) |
| 02:05.42 | cafuego | Eclipser: Yes it is. |
| 02:05.44 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: it is in 2.6... |
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| 02:05.47 | Eclipser | aha |
| 02:05.52 | Eclipser | never used xconfig in 2.6 |
| 02:05.54 | digi | dondelelcaro: thx bro |
| 02:05.57 | npx | PerfDave: ^5 |
| 02:05.59 | dondelelcaro | digi: np |
| 02:06.04 | Eclipser | last time I used xconfig was during 2.2 :) |
| 02:06.09 | cafuego | PerfDave: 'menuconfig' is "doesn't require 200MB of KDE shit and 100MB of X shit to configure a kernel" |
| 02:06.29 | digi | yay its working now |
| 02:06.30 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yes, but if you're running X anyway, then you should be running KDE because it's the only wm that doesn't suck ass ;) |
| 02:06.34 | Eclipser | PerfDave, anyway, gnome > kde; again opinions :) |
| 02:06.41 | cafuego | PerfDave: KDE isn't a wm. |
| 02:06.45 | PerfDave | cafuego: Bite me |
| 02:06.46 | risky | heh |
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| 02:06.55 | cafuego | PerfDave: And that wasn't an opinion, but a fact. |
| 02:07.19 | PerfDave | cafuego: Nobody other than anal retentive losers care about the near-invisible distinction between a window manager and a desktop environment :) |
| 02:07.36 | Eclipser | dondelelcaro, I'm not using Gnome itself but I like gnome related software better than kde :) |
| 02:07.44 | cafuego | PerfDave: Near invisible? |
| 02:07.45 | mwilson | "near invisible distinction"? |
| 02:07.54 | mwilson | How is it invisible? |
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| 02:07.55 | digi | wow that's a cool new feature |
| 02:07.59 | digi | .conf support in the kernel |
| 02:08.06 | digi | err .config |
| 02:08.08 | Eclipser | :) |
| 02:08.08 | cafuego | PerfDave: Put a user behind a box running 9wm and a box running KDE. Ask them if they can spot the difference. |
| 02:08.12 | citral | !stop a desktop war |
| 02:08.23 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yeah, KDE is usable :) |
| 02:08.28 | nevyn | problem is they're not. |
| 02:08.48 | cafuego | PerfDave: 9wm is useable too. Nothing wrong with it. it manages windows, which is what a wm does. |
| 02:08.48 | mwilson | How is a box running 9wm not usable? |
| 02:08.56 | PerfDave | cafuego: Whatever :) |
| 02:09.03 | cafuego | PerfDave: Alteratively, try running KDE without a wm. |
| 02:09.05 | mink | how to re-install the xfree fonts? |
| 02:09.15 | Eclipser | cafuego, is that even possible? |
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| 02:09.24 | cafuego | mink: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 02:09.31 | npx | Start KDE, killall -9 kwin |
| 02:09.33 | nevyn | Eclipser: yeah it's un-fun tho. |
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| 02:09.48 | nevyn | kwin's a pig. |
| 02:10.01 | samuel | hello all |
| 02:10.02 | nevyn | and a slow pig at that. |
| 02:10.06 | samuel | hello dpkg |
| 02:10.07 | npx | works great for me |
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| 02:10.34 | nevyn | I like kde. but kwin and konsole have gone downhill massivly since 3.2ish |
| 02:10.54 | npx | Why don't you like 3.3's konsole? |
| 02:10.59 | zignig | cafuego: need a network rendering system. |
| 02:11.03 | mink | on startx getting error could not init font path element unix/:7100 then, Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed';. |
| 02:11.06 | mink | any ideas :? |
| 02:11.12 | nevyn | npx: it's gotten slow. |
| 02:11.17 | Eclipser | I don't like having desktop icons and stupid bars on my desktop |
| 02:11.30 | npx | eh, seems fast to me |
| 02:11.31 | mwilson | If you want a terminal emulator, why wouldn't you just use xterm? |
| 02:11.39 | nevyn | npx: the way it uses X requires a roundtrip per character. |
| 02:11.41 | zignig | cafuego: I made a machine to queue and render povray, wake-on-lan and apm so it would get woken up render and go back to sleep. |
| 02:11.47 | nevyn | this is extremely painful on remote X |
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| 02:11.49 | Eclipser | mwilson, because Eterm is better?-p |
| 02:11.53 | npx | Because xterm doesn't allow me to scroll through multiple terminals with my scrollwheel? |
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| 02:12.01 | nevyn | and hurts on local X as well |
| 02:12.02 | risky | tabs are all |
| 02:12.08 | kaplanfx | mwilson: konsole works fine, and if you use kde its already installed |
| 02:12.09 | nevyn | tabs are da bomb |
| 02:12.44 | kaplanfx | and its got a nice themed scrollbar |
| 02:12.46 | xenoduck | <- |
| 02:12.53 | risky | pretty much no1, but why use it if you don't like it? |
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| 02:12.57 | cafuego | zignig: My desktop box is the fatest machine I have, it never sleeps. Not much pount asking a P233 to help an Athlon 2400+ |
| 02:13.02 | mwilson | Eclipser: When Eterm can scroll without dropping characters, I'll listen to you. |
| 02:13.07 | cappicard | Anyone installed Linux on a box with a SiL 3112 SATA Raid controller? |
| 02:13.10 | kaplanfx | kaplanfx@kapbox:/mnt$ apt-cache policy xterm |
| 02:13.11 | kaplanfx | xterm: |
| 02:13.11 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.11 | nevyn | konq renders the web better than firefox still. but I'm using firefox cause the Xgrav implementation on my xterminal sucks ass |
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| 02:13.15 | kaplanfx | hmm well what do you know |
| 02:13.23 | zignig | cafuego: true, these machines were the same speed. |
| 02:13.34 | cafuego | zignig: Incidentally, it's 20 minutes of DV video - having its gamma readjusted - not some animation. |
| 02:13.43 | Eclipser | mwilson, huh? I haven't had this problem ever :o |
| 02:13.46 | citral | here : http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=19328641204150df5baaafa&m=screen |
| 02:13.52 | citral | the right way |
| 02:13.59 | cafuego | citral: Yes. Tip: don't use the raid capability on the chip. |
| 02:14.07 | zignig | cafuego: still , a network render system would still be cool. |
| 02:14.09 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: does that thing even have real raid? |
| 02:14.09 | kaplanfx | hmm default font for xterm is fugly (especially at 1280x1024 |
| 02:14.15 | cafuego | cappicard: Yes. Tip: don't use the raid capability on the chip. |
| 02:14.16 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: so change it |
| 02:14.19 | Eclipser | mwilson, unless you mean scrolling with its scrollbar which I had disable the first time I started it |
| 02:14.23 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No, it's shite. |
| 02:14.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: One uses straight SATA and mdX |
| 02:14.32 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: thought so... |
| 02:14.44 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: nah, I'm not going to use it anyhow, but it works fine. |
| 02:14.56 | cappicard | ugh... I got two 80GB SATA drives setup in raid-1... |
| 02:14.59 | FarrisG | I have a USB harddrive. Hotplug sets up the device properly, but what can I use to have it automatically mount when I plug it in? |
| 02:15.00 | cafuego | zignig: A rack of G5 Xserves would be handy right about now, yes. |
| 02:15.01 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... I'm actually using the 3ware SATA cards... |
| 02:15.02 | mink | is there a paste bot for this chan? |
| 02:15.08 | dondelelcaro | mink: see #flood |
| 02:15.12 | cappicard | they are detected as /dev/hde and /dev/hdg |
| 02:15.17 | cafuego | zignig: Hell, a Dual G5/2GHz could do this real-time in Final Cut Pro |
| 02:15.26 | cappicard | Today, suse 9.1 tried installing itself on my first Sata hard drive and trying to mount ntfs partitions on the 2nd one... |
| 02:15.40 | mink | anyone mind taking a look at an error i'm getting when startx in #flood :? |
| 02:15.47 | risky | FarrisG, can't remember how atm, but hotplug did that for me when I told it to |
| 02:15.54 | dondelelcaro | mink: paste away |
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| 02:15.56 | mink | ty |
| 02:16.16 | FarrisG | risky: I was under the impression hotplug merely loaded the correct driver and created the device node |
| 02:16.24 | cappicard | I set up the drives via the bios config utility (when I hit F4 after posting) |
| 02:16.37 | risky | FarrisG, it can also run commands |
| 02:16.49 | cappicard | cafuego, so, the SiL 3112 isn't exactly supported in the kernel? |
| 02:16.54 | dondelelcaro | mink: you have X configured to use font servers, and they aren't started. |
| 02:16.59 | FarrisG | risky: I see. Cool, guess I'll RTFM a bit more |
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| 02:17.07 | dondelelcaro | mink: either start the x font servers, or configure X to use local fonts. |
| 02:17.08 | cafuego | cappicard: it is, but you don't want to be using it for on-chip raid. |
| 02:17.15 | mink | how to start font servers? :) |
| 02:17.24 | dondelelcaro | mink: /etc/init.d/xfstt start; or similar. |
| 02:17.32 | mink | ty |
| 02:17.47 | cappicard | it messed up my mirroring |
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| 02:17.53 | dondelelcaro | mink: you also may not have installed xfonts-base; dunno. |
| 02:18.04 | cappicard | but I did recreate the array easily with no data loss |
| 02:18.25 | cafuego | cappicard: It's worse than that, the on-chip raid is highly crap. If you want raid0 or raid1, use the kernel mode md driver. |
| 02:18.28 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: eh, people do actually read it... we just don't hear from them very often... |
| 02:18.45 | mink | benserver:~# /etc/init.d/xfstt start |
| 02:18.45 | mink | Starting X TrueType font server: xfstt start failed. |
| 02:18.46 | mink | &_& |
| 02:18.49 | cappicard | cafuego, hmm... md did find the array. |
| 02:18.50 | Eclipser | read what |
| 02:19.03 | cappicard | but it tried to access the individual drives |
| 02:19.03 | dondelelcaro | mink: so figure out why it didn't start, and fix that problem. |
| 02:19.09 | mwilson | mink: Why do you think you need xfstt installed? |
| 02:19.11 | cappicard | er-in this case suse |
| 02:19.25 | mink | mmm X is a pain *_* |
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| 02:19.50 | dondelelcaro | mink: or don't use the x font servers, and set up your XF86Config-4 correctly. |
| 02:19.55 | cappicard | somehow, /dev/hde2 became root, /dev/hde3 swap, and tried to mount /dev/hdg1 (ntfs) |
| 02:19.59 | dondelelcaro | mink: this is all covered in the X fonts. |
| 02:20.07 | dondelelcaro | s/fonts/faq/ |
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| 02:20.17 | mink | mm |
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| 02:20.58 | Markaci | http://bugs.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/base.cgi <-- Are these the RC bugs preventing sarge from being released? Or is there a different list? |
| 02:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Markaci: those bugs are part of it, yes. |
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| 02:22.07 | freemo | i have a VERY fresh install of debian and im trying to startx but it gives me errors along the lines of "cannot open device /dev/psaux" no such device" i know this is related to the mouse but dont know how to approach such a problem.. any ideas? |
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| 02:22.48 | citral | I heard something about a freenode web radio, id it up ? |
| 02:24.02 | citral | freemo, is it an usb mouse ? |
| 02:24.39 | freemo | citral, nope ps2 |
| 02:24.59 | citral | freemo, the load psmouse |
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| 02:25.12 | freemo | citral, what? |
| 02:25.20 | citral | modprobe psmouse |
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| 02:25.51 | boodle | dpkg gnome2.8 |
| 02:25.51 | dpkg | i guess gnome2.8 is #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org says gnome2.8 will not enter sid until after the release of sarge |
| 02:26.02 | boodle | L*( |
| 02:26.05 | pshaggy | which kernel is included in the testing torrent? |
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| 02:26.13 | freemo | citral, ok |
| 02:26.17 | PerfDave | pshaggy: There's a 2.4 one and a 2.6 one. |
| 02:26.34 | PerfDave | !tell freemo about troubleshooting x |
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| 02:27.15 | pshaggy | There only appears to be a single set of "testing" torrents for i386. Both kernels are on the same image? |
| 02:27.33 | luiz | # debian-rj |
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| 02:28.24 | freemo | actually.. i jsut modprobed the mouse and now i get different errors.. so thats a step int he right direction |
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| 02:28.59 | cafuego | pshaggy: yes |
| 02:29.32 | cafuego | pshaggy: incidentally, the 100MB netinst iso will download a lot faster then a whole testing torrent. |
| 02:29.37 | citral | freemo, you can paste to #flood |
| 02:29.50 | adhoc | cafuego: yup thats what i use =) |
| 02:29.55 | freemo | citral, well hold up.. the new errors are more productive |
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| 02:31.49 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:31.57 | chealer | hum |
| 02:32.01 | drim | hi |
| 02:32.07 | PerfDave | Bit of a shame that there isn't a torrent for the netinst ISO really :) |
| 02:32.26 | cafuego | PerfDave: What's stopping you from creating one? |
| 02:32.31 | drim | where i can put the font using by blackbox? |
| 02:32.38 | adhoc | PerfDave: the business card iso works well too, its only ~45MB |
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| 02:32.48 | tom_ | Grrr... I have two debian boxes sitting next to each other. One has beautiful fonts, the other (a laptop), hideous. reconfiguring x-ttcidfont-conf doesn't seem to help. Any ideas? |
| 02:33.09 | citral | drim, mmm ? you mean editing the theme probably |
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| 02:33.25 | drim | i downloaded a theme for blackbox |
| 02:33.33 | RetardedSmurf | is there a pthreads package for debian that im missing? |
| 02:33.39 | RetardedSmurf | or is it already in the base |
| 02:33.44 | drim | in the zip, there is a file called gfdfgdg.ttf |
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| 02:34.02 | drim | the theme use this font |
| 02:34.09 | dli_ | help, I messed up. I need a "standard" $PATH for root. I have /bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin now |
| 02:34.17 | drim | so i should put it in the directory, but where :| |
| 02:34.25 | try_catch_this | who do I have to kill to get my home network up and running? |
| 02:34.28 | digi | ummmm why can't i UNSELECT scsi device support in the kernel? |
| 02:34.32 | citral | !be a fluxbox barbie |
| 02:34.33 | dpkg | awwww, fluxbox is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 02:34.38 | digi | i can only select * or M in menuconfig |
| 02:34.42 | drim | ? |
| 02:34.58 | nostalg1c | digi, save your settings, quit menuconfig and run it again |
| 02:35.16 | jetscreamer | RootPath=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 02:35.18 | PerfDave | cafuego: I don't have a box with space for a 100Mb ISO that's on 24/7, let alone on a fast net connection. |
| 02:35.33 | dli_ | jetscreamer: thanks :) no games |
| 02:35.45 | jetscreamer | that's the gdm default rootpath |
| 02:36.05 | digi | nostalg1c: k |
| 02:36.06 | dli_ | jetscreamer: root doesn't execute /root/.bashrc, how to correct this |
| 02:36.28 | digi | nostalg1c: nope same thing |
| 02:36.46 | jetscreamer | digi there is scsi stuff in the ide section and in the scsi section, take the other out first |
| 02:36.59 | RetardedSmurf | dli_: are you trying to use .bashrc in a .profile situation? |
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| 02:37.17 | jetscreamer | dli_ no idea |
| 02:37.24 | dli_ | RetardedSmurf: I don't know how I messed up :(( |
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| 02:37.46 | geppel | Is there a program I can apt-get install that will tell me what /dev/xxx my mouse is connected to? |
| 02:37.59 | PerfDave | geppel: Try reading dmesg? |
| 02:38.15 | dli_ | geppel: /usr/X11/XF86Config-4 , search for mouse |
| 02:39.08 | geppel | ok |
| 02:39.13 | jetscreamer | !guess when sarge will be ready |
| 02:39.14 | dpkg | when sarge will be ready will be ready in about $RAND years, give or take a millennium. |
| 02:39.23 | geppel | PerfDave: dmesg is full of iptables logging :-P |
| 02:39.27 | digi | jetscreamer: k i unchecked scsi emulation...but scsi device support still won't deselect |
| 02:39.34 | geppel | PerfDave: so the bootup stuff has been wiped out |
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| 02:39.52 | jetscreamer | !guess when sarge will be ready |
| 02:39.54 | dpkg | when sarge will be ready will be ready in about 0.127914078782663 days, give or take a millennium. |
| 02:40.09 | citral | geppel, dmesg | grep foo |
| 02:40.22 | aw | if i mount an iso image and change stuff inside of it, when unmounted, could it be burned as a cd the same way as before changing the stuff? |
| 02:40.38 | dli_ | geppel: /var/log/boot /var/log/kern.0 |
| 02:40.49 | citral | kern.log |
| 02:41.01 | jetscreamer | digi then there's another just like it somewhere, but that usually does the trick for me |
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| 02:41.48 | geppel | dli_: same thing its full of iptables output |
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| 02:42.02 | geppel | i remember there being a program that you could simply run and it would probe different possible ports |
| 02:42.08 | digi | hrm is plug and play support supposed to have any options...its just there...but no + to expand |
| 02:42.17 | smaug | i'm trying to install the cisco vpn client, but i get a kernel-module version mismatch, even after installing the header files... |
| 02:42.23 | Initial_KK | Is there a site that teaches you how to get into kde or x-environment? |
| 02:42.27 | citral | geppel, I told you to use grep, for example "cat /var/log/kern.log | grep -i mouse" |
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| 02:42.45 | geppel | citral: you didn't listen, those log files have been overwritten by my iptables output |
| 02:43.02 | geppel | citral: there is no useful bootup information in those files, i just checked |
| 02:43.10 | PerfDave | geppel: Look in /var/log/dmesg instead? |
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| 02:43.25 | geppel | PerfDave: there we go :-) thanks |
| 02:43.33 | citral | geppel, do you logrotate every minute ? |
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| 02:43.50 | geppel | geppel: nope |
| 02:44.14 | geppel | geppel: this box acts as a router for 3 other computers and iptables dumps all ingoing/outgoing connection info |
| 02:44.19 | dli_ | geppel: reboot as single user :) with kernel parameter "single" and dmesg|less |
| 02:44.53 | geppel | dli_ PerfDave suggested /var/log/dmesg and the info is there, but thanks :-) |
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| 02:45.19 | smaug | i'm having a similar problem with vmware... |
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| 02:45.32 | dli_ | geppel: what's it? maybe it will help me later :) |
| 02:45.48 | dimka | hello, can anyone help me install mixer |
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| 02:46.04 | geppel | dli_ that port was it? |
| 02:46.11 | geppel | dli_ /dev/usb/mouse0 |
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| 02:47.11 | dimka | anyone can help me install a mixer |
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| 02:48.58 | dli_ | geppel: oh, that's standard, /dev/usb/mouse, please also install usbutils and use the command lsusb (like lspci) |
| 02:49.02 | kurumin | opa |
| 02:49.28 | geppel | dli_ k |
| 02:50.03 | dli_ | dimka: alsa-utils |
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| 02:51.52 | K_Dallas | hi guys! |
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| 02:52.07 | K_Dallas | i am about to recompile my kernel to get scsi emulation in it |
| 02:52.16 | K_Dallas | folliwing the steps indebianhelp site |
| 02:52.28 | K_Dallas | i am right now at: make menuconfig |
| 02:52.49 | K_Dallas | how do i check the modules that i have right now enabled so i wont miss anything |
| 02:52.51 | K_Dallas | thanks |
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| 02:53.57 | snadge | how do i get a slightly older version of a sid package? |
| 02:54.06 | snadge | if its not in my apt cache anymore |
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| 02:56.07 | peterS | snadge: see http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 02:57.00 | tritium | it should also still be in the pool if it's fairly recent |
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| 02:57.45 | snadge | libmime broke amavisd-new ;) |
| 02:57.47 | peterS | tritium: depends *how* recent. stuff leaves the pool as soon as the new version has been compiled and installed on all architectures, which is usually a matter of days |
| 02:58.01 | jayme | snadge: use libmime-perl from testing |
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| 02:58.27 | tritium | peterS, yes, that's more exact than my saying "fairly" recent |
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| 02:59.34 | nicpick | good evening! i come to ask if there's a tool which allows me to reconfigure debian (kind of running the debian-installer on a running system)... someone, someting? |
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| 03:00.32 | smaug | nicpick: base-config? |
| 03:01.13 | snadge | i cant find libmime-perl.. |
| 03:01.31 | nicpick | smaug: hm, kind of, but i guess it doesn't cover it all. |
| 03:01.42 | jayme | snadge: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 03:03.13 | freemo | im having a bit of a problem.. i have a scsi system and the drives are seen in proc.. however if i try to mount /dev/sdXX none of the partitions mount "bad super block".. any idea what causes this or where i can go from here? |
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| 03:03.59 | fliplap | evening |
| 03:04.30 | peterS | freemo: what command are you issuing to mount a drive? what filesystem types are on there? |
| 03:04.39 | fliplap | has anyone here setup bootsplash before? I'm trying to get it working but it keeps locking the machine up on boot |
| 03:04.54 | nicpick | smaug: what i want is stuff like autodetection of sound-devices and like that reconfiguration of stuff like that from scratch. |
| 03:05.28 | fliplap | No errors or anything. It gets to "hda " and stops. I recompiled without the bootsplash patch and it boots fine |
| 03:05.30 | fliplap | any ideas? |
| 03:06.13 | freemo | petemc, "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/storage" |
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| 03:06.28 | freemo | fliplap, hey |
| 03:06.33 | fliplap | whats up? |
| 03:06.53 | K_Dallas | Q: when i run: insmod ide-scsi, I get insmod: can't read 'ide-scsi': No such file or directory. Does this mean my kernel does not have scsi emulation in it or that i am using the command incorrectly? thanks |
| 03:06.57 | freemo | fliplap, never set up bootslash myself |
| 03:07.01 | freemo | not too much you? |
| 03:07.05 | fliplap | not a lot |
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| 03:07.26 | fliplap | I'd like to use bootsplash to hide the kernel messages on my digital picture frame project |
| 03:08.13 | lordurza | anyone here currently using or have used a cisco 1924c 24port? |
| 03:08.56 | initech | K_Dallas: use modprobe, not insmod |
| 03:09.04 | lordurza | anyone here currently using or have used a cisco 1924c 24port |
| 03:09.11 | K_Dallas | that is what iam reading now, how do i run it |
| 03:09.14 | holycow | fliplap, try this --> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it/html/articles/debian-splash.htm |
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| 03:09.22 | K_Dallas | modprobe ide-scsi? |
| 03:09.30 | holycow | based on genbootsplash, which is a rewrite of bootsplash with many fixes appearently |
| 03:09.35 | fliplap | ah |
| 03:09.38 | fliplap | awesome, thank you |
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| 03:10.21 | smaug | nicpick: sorry, that's all i got right now |
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| 03:10.54 | geppel | how do I 'kick' a user off my linux box if they are remotely logging into my machine? |
| 03:11.15 | holycow | np, i've not used it, but the author tried it on debian sarge as per quote "i've tested the 2.6.8 linux source with debian patches |
| 03:11.16 | holycow | with fbsplash and it compiled fine and is working fine, im using it |
| 03:11.16 | holycow | right now." |
| 03:11.18 | g4lt | geppel kill their shell |
| 03:11.29 | freemo | i meant peterS |
| 03:11.52 | rares000 | is there a particular reason iptables needs kernel modules? |
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| 03:12.09 | freemo | rares000, isnt it just ip route that needs it |
| 03:12.11 | g4lt | rares000 speed |
| 03:12.16 | peterS | freemo: if you don't give a filesystem type, then the filesystem driver must already be loaded in the kernel. is it? check /proc/filesystems |
| 03:12.23 | K_Dallas | modprobe -c | grep scsi, now which line would say that i have ide-scsi module in my kernel |
| 03:12.42 | lordurza | anyone using a 1924c 24port catalyst/switch |
| 03:12.48 | freemo | peterS, well it is ext3 so id hope so.. but ill look |
| 03:13.14 | freemo | peterS, it is |
| 03:13.28 | RetardedSmurf | anyone know why /lib/cpp would fail a sanity check |
| 03:13.38 | peterS | freemo: does 'dumpe2fs /dev/sdb1' know anything about it? |
| 03:14.09 | rares000 | hmm |
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| 03:14.18 | nicpick | hm... good night |
| 03:14.21 | nicpick | quit |
| 03:14.35 | freemo | peterS, no it said "no such device or address while trying to open /dev/sdb1 Couldnt find valid file system" |
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| 03:14.48 | peterS | freemo: ahh, no such device. that gives us something to work with. |
| 03:14.56 | peterS | freemo: does sdb1 appear in /proc/partitions? |
| 03:15.24 | freemo | peterS, i should mentionw hen i boot fromt he knoppix livecd it does mount and see the partitions fine |
| 03:15.33 | freemo | peterS, let me see |
| 03:16.06 | freemo | peterS, sdb is in /proc/partitions but not sdb1 |
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| 03:16.29 | peterS | freemo: so, does sdb appear to be the drive you think it is? i.e. the right size, reported in /proc/partitions? |
| 03:16.58 | peterS | freemo: the sizes are in kB |
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| 03:17.13 | K-Rich | I just did /msg dpkg gnome2.8 .... but .... is it in experimental ? |
| 03:17.32 | peterS | K-Rich: I don't think so, not yet |
| 03:17.35 | freemo | peterS, ues the size matches |
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| 03:17.51 | peterS | freemo: so, the kernel detected no partitions on sdb, then? |
| 03:17.56 | tcsetattr | freemo, how about 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' - does that see any partitions? |
| 03:17.58 | peterS | freemo: (if it did, they will be listed in /proc/partitions) |
| 03:18.08 | K-Rich | Peter is xorg ? |
| 03:18.10 | freemo | peterS, apparently not |
| 03:18.19 | freemo | tcsetattr, let me see |
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| 03:18.36 | K-Rich | peterS: do ou know is xorg is? |
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| 03:18.50 | freemo | tcsetattr, no it doesnt |
| 03:18.53 | peterS | K-Rich: cannot parse your question. xorg is not in experimental, if that was it |
| 03:19.09 | freemo | k-man, xorg is a program that replaces xfree86 |
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| 03:19.15 | peterS | freemo: your partition table is gone, then. whether that means any of you *data* is gone, who can say? |
| 03:19.19 | Adam_Z14 | if anyone wants a free ipod, please use my referral link: http://tinyurl.com/4zuox |
| 03:19.23 | Adam_Z14 | thanks |
| 03:19.25 | brc_ | haha |
| 03:19.26 | K-Rich | peterS: that was it... thanks |
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| 03:19.29 | RetardedSmurf | anyone know why /lib/cpp would fail an automake sanity check? |
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| 03:19.45 | freemo | peterS, but if i boot fromt he knoppix livve cd it sees and mounts the aprtitions fine |
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| 03:20.01 | peterS | freemo: that leaves me wondering what manner of partition table you do have |
| 03:20.18 | tcsetattr | ls -auto |
| 03:20.19 | peterS | freemo: 'fdisk -l' should have seen it if it was any standard format |
| 03:20.22 | tcsetattr | whoops |
| 03:20.27 | K-Rich | freemo: i know... i'm looking forward to using gnome2.8 and xorg.... considering trying to compile... though this is my main system so.... |
| 03:20.54 | Jamie_Z | i just apt-get'd (like ive done before on 2.6.x kernel) xserver-xfree86 and stuff plus fvwm, after i configure x, i type "startx" and command not found, i updated search db and tried to locate it and it doesnt exist... any ideas? (debian testing, kernel 2.4.26) |
| 03:20.55 | peterS | K-Rich: as has been said here many times - people will just have to live without drop shadows on their windows for a little while longer |
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| 03:21.16 | LandSlide | if I run apt-get upgrade, it complains about kept-back packages? how do I get these to install? |
| 03:21.24 | freemo | peterS, well let me boot into knoppix then and see if i cant b e a bit more productive |
| 03:21.47 | freemo | K-Rich, why.. i am aware of no improvement xorg has over xfree just yet. |
| 03:22.56 | K-Rich | peterS: true those would be kinda nice, i feel more towards the licencing issues though |
| 03:22.57 | omie | i'm having trouble adding lua extensions on debian sarge |
| 03:23.00 | digi | anyoneknow why i cannot UNSELECT scsi device support in the kernel? |
| 03:23.10 | peterS | K-Rich: what's the license problem with XFree86 4.3? |
| 03:23.11 | K-Rich | freemo: look at my above response to pererS |
| 03:23.28 | K-Rich | peter XFree4.4 is what i'm refering to |
| 03:23.34 | omie | says "attempt to call global `requirelib` (a nil value) |
| 03:23.35 | peterS | K-Rich: XFree86 4.4 is not in Debian |
| 03:23.51 | K-Rich | i know... |
| 03:23.56 | K_Dallas | Q3: got sarge and grub. where should / could I add this kern-option: hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1? thanks |
| 03:24.24 | peterS | K-Rich: so your switch to xorg would be purely symbolic, since the license is basically identical to what is already in Debian |
| 03:24.50 | K_Dallas | /boot/grub/menu.lst , is this the place? |
| 03:24.53 | Jamie_Z | i just apt-get'd (like ive done before on 2.6.x kernel) xserver-xfree86 and stuff plus fvwm, after i configure x, i type "startx" and command not found, i updated search db and tried to locate it and it doesnt exist... any ideas? (debian testing, kernel 2.4.26) |
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| 03:25.15 | K_Dallas | Jamie_Z, try : X |
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| 03:25.24 | peterS | Jamie_Z: xbase-clients, I think |
| 03:25.26 | K_Dallas | my guess |
| 03:25.28 | Jamie_Z | K_Dallas: comand not found |
| 03:25.32 | Jamie_Z | peterS: ill give that a shot |
| 03:25.33 | [Cadet] | Jamie_Z: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 03:25.34 | K-Rich | peterS: or maybe too forward looking ;) |
| 03:25.35 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 03:25.36 | omie | Jameie_Z: you need x-window-system |
| 03:25.38 | peterS | Jamie_Z: or you could just install x-window-system which includes a bunch of stuff you might find useful |
| 03:25.59 | peterS | K-Rich: if you're not confident that the Debian maintainers will steer clear of licensing problems ... you're weird |
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| 03:26.08 | [Cadet] | at least that is what package has startx |
| 03:26.12 | Jamie_Z | peterS: im trying that, but thanks for the info :) |
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| 03:26.36 | karsten | Anyone know of issues with Samba 3.0.5 and WinXP SP2? |
| 03:26.41 | K-Rich | peterS: oh, i'm confident... just sometimes wish the releases were faster |
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| 03:27.09 | [Cadet] | Jamie_Z: I believe that peterS means to apt-get install x-window-system not install the x window system |
| 03:27.20 | peterS | karsten: there was a SP2 issue in one of the recent sambae. can't remember which. unstable has something newer than 3.0.5 by now, at any rate, and I know SP2 was the reason for one minor version at least |
| 03:27.24 | Jamie_Z | [Cadet]: thanks, but i think i figured that one out :P |
| 03:27.30 | pshaggy | I like the new installer |
| 03:27.31 | pshaggy | very slick |
| 03:27.51 | peterS | pshaggy: join #debian-boot and thank them for it |
| 03:27.53 | holycow | pshaggy, spanktastic, ain't it? |
| 03:27.58 | peterS | pshaggy: that's where the debian-installer people hang out |
| 03:28.03 | karsten | peterS: Thanks. |
| 03:28.11 | Jamie_Z | im not too thrilled about the new partitioner though, but it gets the job done... |
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| 03:28.34 | peterS | Jamie_Z: I prefer cfdisk, but the new one has more capabilities. like integrated management of RAID and LVM devices |
| 03:29.04 | Jamie_Z | peterS: true, but they made a mod from the rc1 to tc1 that kinda irked me, but i cant remember what it is, lol |
| 03:29.37 | karsten | peterS: What's the SOP to install a specific version via aptitude? I think I want 3.0.7-1 |
| 03:29.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | whats the command to cound lines in linux? |
| 03:29.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | like cat something.txt | lc |
| 03:29.54 | holycow | i havent tried any fancy partitions with it, so far i like the partitioner |
| 03:30.09 | Ox0F0-0FF | ? |
| 03:30.15 | peterS | karsten: I think that's the one in unstable - so just 'aptitude install samba' |
| 03:30.29 | karsten | peterS: Looks like that's it. |
| 03:30.42 | [Cadet] | Ox0F0-0FF: man wc |
| 03:30.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | [Cadet]: thanks |
| 03:30.55 | Hackel | Those of you who use spamassassin, how have you set it up? Right now I'm using exim4 and fetchmail to retrieve mail for one user account. Should I use the Exiscan ACL thing? Will I still be able to learn spam/ham in my user account? |
| 03:31.22 | karsten | Gah! |
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| 03:31.28 | karsten | Wouldn't it figure. |
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| 03:31.43 | bob2 | karsten: if you hit enter on a package name, at the bottom it will list the available versions |
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| 03:31.53 | karsten | I'm here ATM 'coz of a Win2KSBS clusterfsck, and figure I might want to update a few other things. |
| 03:31.57 | bob2 | Hackel: it's probably not worth it then, just hook it into procmail |
| 03:32.02 | karsten | But the SBS affects Net connectivity. |
| 03:32.12 | karsten | bob2: Yeah, I was just trying to puzzle out what it's installing. |
| 03:32.19 | jsaxton86 | haha, I'm a Linux noob, and I just did something that I found funny. I ran a ipmasquerading script as root, logged out, and the script is still running. Cheap thrill, but more importantly, what are the security implications of this? |
| 03:32.30 | jsaxton86 | I am not logged in as any user |
| 03:32.33 | jsaxton86 | the login prompt is up |
| 03:32.40 | karsten | Not (back to the SBS story) a problem with the Linux updates (apt-proxy to the rescue). But sort of screws with Doze crud. |
| 03:32.41 | bob2 | jsaxton86: depends entirely on what the "ipmasquerading script does" |
| 03:32.51 | jsaxton86 | forwards packets |
| 03:32.53 | jsaxton86 | that's about it |
| 03:32.53 | bob2 | jsaxton86: it probably just sets up iptables, so it doesn't matter if you're logged in or not |
| 03:32.59 | jsaxton86 | ok |
| 03:33.16 | karsten | jsaxton86: Generally: you don't need to be "logged in" to run processes. And your script may not be running, just that its settings are now applied and active. |
| 03:33.32 | jsaxton86 | ok, so this isn't insecure? |
| 03:33.36 | Hackel | bob2: Yeah, it is overkill. Do you know if exim (or postfix, etc.) can filter through spamassassin without procmail? |
| 03:33.45 | holycow | http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/thegrudge/ <-- oh my |
| 03:33.45 | karsten | jsaxton86: However, there's a whole mess of ways of running stuff remotely, with a time delay, or at scheduled intervals. ssh, at, and cron, for the basics. |
| 03:33.47 | bob2 | jsaxton86: how would it be insecure? |
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| 03:33.50 | holycow | you gotta see the site for that moobie |
| 03:33.53 | holycow | scaaaaary |
| 03:33.55 | holycow | heh :) |
| 03:33.56 | bob2 | Hackel: exim and postfix certainly can |
| 03:33.56 | zignig | holycow: MOO! |
| 03:34.05 | jsaxton86 | I ran the script as root |
| 03:34.05 | holycow | sir zig |
| 03:34.09 | bob2 | Hackel: exim can even refuse to accept email that gets too high a SA score |
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| 03:34.28 | jsaxton86 | I try to avoid using root as much as possible, but if no actual process is running, I should be fine |
| 03:34.36 | bob2 | Hackel: I believe it's possible to do per-user bayesian stuff at the MTA level, but I don't know how |
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| 03:34.49 | Hackel | bob2: right, IF I use the integration method. I'm just looking for the simplest way to install it, and still be able to learn ham/spam mails (ie. in evolution). |
| 03:34.52 | zignig | bob2: large evil perl scripts no doubt. |
| 03:34.57 | bob2 | zignig: heh, yeah |
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| 03:35.15 | bob2 | zignig: I giggled the other day when I say that amavis's config file was a perl script |
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| 03:35.26 | Hackel | bob2: yeah, that's what I'm looking for. I'll keep searching...thanks. |
| 03:35.44 | bob2 | Hackel: spamassassin's site has links to loads of docs |
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| 03:36.05 | karsten | jsaxton86: Some things *have* to be run as root. Network firewall scripts (and Masquerade is part of FW) is one of 'em. |
| 03:36.25 | jsaxton86 | ok, thanks |
| 03:36.39 | masquerade | karsten, i think you got the wrong guy |
| 03:36.48 | M4hd1 | anybody here knows how to connect sound from the tv grabber directly to the MB? (instead of connecting line out to sound card's line in) |
| 03:36.54 | Hackel | bob2: hehe, I know...a bit overwhelming. :) |
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| 03:36.57 | karsten | masquerade: No, your nick's highlighting on other text. |
| 03:37.01 | bob2 | Hackel: oh yeah |
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| 03:37.21 | karsten | masquerade: Anchor to start of line for proper behavior. |
| 03:37.23 | masquerade | oh, i thought you were referring to me as a member of some group called FW :D |
| 03:37.35 | bob2 | Hackel: the procmail way is really simple to set up |
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| 03:39.01 | karsten | masquerade: Um. No. IPNat is part of firewalling ;-) |
| 03:39.09 | Hackel | bob2: Yeah, I used that before, then tried sa-exim once I setup my own server, but I had to hack it a bit to store the user data in my home directory. I figured there must be a simpler way. |
| 03:39.36 | bob2 | Hackel: SA 3.0 lets you store the user training stuff in a database |
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| 03:41.08 | Hackel | bob2: that sounds good, once it gets into Debian. :) |
| 03:41.15 | bob2 | heh, yeah |
| 03:41.20 | bob2 | or there's dspam |
| 03:41.33 | bob2 | but I just ended up using crm114, which sucks |
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| 03:41.55 | GodSp33d | Is there a way to apt-get install from a specific location in source.list... Such as... I want to install php4 from debian.moolfreet.com, though I also have stable, testing, unstable in my sources.list file. I know you can go apt-get -t [stable,testing,unstable], though is there a way to select certain server location to install from? |
| 03:41.57 | bob2 | so now I have no spam protection at all |
| 03:42.00 | holycow | dspam looks awesome, except, that it requires user to have half a clue |
| 03:42.07 | bob2 | GodSp33d: nope |
| 03:42.24 | bob2 | GodSp33d: do they really have the exact same version tho? |
| 03:42.39 | bob2 | and if they do, apt will get it from the top-most one in the your sources.list |
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| 03:43.18 | GodSp33d | bob2: No they have different versions, though the one from moolfreet is a backport, instead of needing to upgrade everything else |
| 03:43.37 | bob2 | GodSp33d: if you're not using unstable, having unstable in your sources.list is a bad idea |
| 03:43.43 | bob2 | unless you're using pinning, but then you lose anyway |
| 03:43.59 | bob2 | you need to read the apt-get man page again and notice the "apt-get install foo=1.2.0" syntax. |
| 03:44.01 | GodSp33d | Well I am only upgrading certain packages from unstable that don't upgraded everything |
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| 03:44.17 | bob2 | it's still going to cause problems no one else can fix |
| 03:44.55 | GodSp33d | bob2: I saw the version concept, though for some reason it was grabbing it from testing instead. |
| 03:45.15 | bob2 | "apt-cache policy php4" |
| 03:45.21 | bob2 | will show all the versions available |
| 03:45.29 | bob2 | if they really do collide, resort your sources.list |
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| 03:46.09 | GodSp33d | So the sources.list is priority based from the top down? |
| 03:46.24 | eventide | to the best of my knowledge, (debian unstable), php4-imap is installed and in php.ini, yet horde2 and imp complain that there is no imap? |
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| 03:46.41 | bob2 | GodSp33d: only if the versions are identical |
| 03:46.50 | bob2 | which is really really rare |
| 03:46.57 | GodSp33d | bob2: ohhhh, awesome, that worked |
| 03:47.09 | jetscreamer | i need a life, can i borrow somebody's? |
| 03:47.39 | GodSp33d | I switched the location in sources.list and it worked |
| 03:47.43 | jetscreamer | apt-get install life didn't work(tm) |
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| 03:47.56 | GodSp33d | Well it grabbed the correct one, so thxs |
| 03:48.02 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's called xlife |
| 03:48.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:48.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: there isn't a non-X version |
| 03:48.18 | jetscreamer | damn i must not have that source |
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| 03:48.40 | peterS | jetscreamer: strange. it's in both woody and sid |
| 03:49.01 | dli__ | mount: could not find any free loop device |
| 03:49.06 | dli__ | help:( |
| 03:49.07 | jetscreamer | omg somebody must have installed redhat while i was at work |
| 03:49.10 | peterS | dli__: you can only have 8, by default |
| 03:49.19 | bob2 | and they're sometimes not freed |
| 03:49.22 | peterS | dli__: if you need more than 8, you have to load the 'loop' kernel module with a module parameter |
| 03:49.36 | dli__ | peterS: I think I enabled that :( |
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| 03:49.49 | peterS | dli__: so, "modprobe loop max_loop=32" |
| 03:49.56 | peterS | dli__: or add "loop max_loop=32" to /etc/modules |
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| 03:50.16 | dli__ | peterS: <*> Loopback device support |
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| 03:50.32 | dli__ | peterS: how can I check what are using loopback now? |
| 03:50.40 | peterS | dli__: ummm. so, boot with a boot parameter of some sort. loop.max_loop=32 or something - I'm not sure |
| 03:50.45 | bob2 | if you built it in, you have list, have a nice day |
| 03:50.45 | tcsetattr | for dev in /dev/loop* ; do losetup $dev ; done |
| 03:50.48 | bob2 | you'll need to reboot |
| 03:50.51 | peterS | dli__: 'losetup' is the tool you want. I'm not sure what all it can do |
| 03:51.05 | tcsetattr | then losetup -d /dev/loopN to remove the binding to /dev/loopN |
| 03:51.08 | dli__ | peterS: tcsetattr: thanks :) |
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| 03:52.41 | dli__ | tcsetattr: wa, you are the master :) |
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| 03:53.35 | tcsetattr | someone had to know how to use losetup, before the mount -o loop option was added |
| 03:54.19 | dli__ | tcsetattr: I'm trying bick bootcd builder, its bug keeps all loop binding :( |
| 03:54.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh heh |
| 03:55.31 | dli__ | tcsetattr: do you know some good bootcd builder? I have the kernel and rootdir |
| 03:55.52 | dli__ | peterS: the bick works on my laptop, but not on our server, strange |
| 03:56.20 | peterS | dli__: I can't explain that. possibly it's detecting more devices to mount, on the server. I have no idea how this program works |
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| 03:57.59 | try_catch_this | I was messing around for a couple hours trying to get a linux home network, and now I get this error saying gethostbyname failed any idea how to fix this? |
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| 03:58.46 | rares000 | is there a windows terminal server that runs on linux |
| 03:59.09 | albino | rares000: A client or a server? |
| 03:59.11 | rares000 | or an X/vnc thing that uses rdp |
| 03:59.18 | rares000 | server |
| 03:59.52 | freemo | hey i jsut installed linux and the packages to get kde up and running but now all of a sudden on its own it boots to a graphical login and into kde instead of to a bash prompt as it did in the past. why is this, it never did this on past debian distros when i installed kde.. how do i get it to boot to the bash pr9mpt again? |
| 04:00.08 | peterS | freemo: get rid of, or disable, kdm |
| 04:00.23 | jetscreamer | !tell freemo about no dm |
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| 04:00.34 | bob2 | rares000: yes |
| 04:00.38 | jetscreamer | !tell freemo about nodm |
| 04:00.41 | bob2 | oh, not using rdp |
| 04:00.49 | bob2 | but that's just sick, use X for fuck's sake |
| 04:01.23 | rares000 | x/ssh over cable is slower than vnc on my machine |
| 04:01.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.48 | jetscreamer | i have an alias to cp a blank one if i want |
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| 04:01.57 | jetscreamer | or any installed dm |
| 04:02.37 | freemo | jetscreamer, thank you..b ut hwat dpkg told me was alittle confusin.. it seems as thou he wants me to get rid ofALOT of packages.. cna i jsut do "dpkg --purge kdm" to get the same effect? |
| 04:03.09 | jetscreamer | yes you can but just edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager, unless you just don't want kdm for nuthin |
| 04:03.30 | jetscreamer | but it might get xdm to start working, not sure eh |
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| 04:03.45 | freemo | jetscreamer, in what way should i edit that file.. jsut comment out anylines in it? |
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| 04:04.04 | jetscreamer | i just make a backup and delete everything in the original |
| 04:04.21 | freemo | jetscreamer, sounds good.. ill give it a try.. thanks |
| 04:04.21 | jetscreamer | i 'guess' comment would work |
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| 04:04.49 | freemo | jetscreamer, i prefer to comment.. its easier and gives the same effect |
| 04:05.09 | bob2 | rares000: use NX |
| 04:05.10 | jetscreamer | i always wonder if something will not like # as a comment cuz i don't know much |
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| 04:05.36 | guestish | how would i apply this patch to the kernel? |
| 04:05.40 | reaper` | can someone explain to me what 'Sep 21 23:48:07 localhost -- MARK --' is and why it appears in all my logs, and how i stop syslog from logging it |
| 04:05.44 | guestish | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-sparc&m=108597100326628&w=2' |
| 04:05.45 | guestish | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-sparc&m=108597100326628&w=2 |
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| 04:06.25 | bob2 | reaper`: it's so you know syslog is alive |
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| 04:06.32 | try_catch_this | ... |
| 04:06.35 | bob2 | since otherwise you have no idea when it did, if it did |
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| 04:06.46 | pshaggs | join #boone |
| 04:06.52 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike |
| 04:06.53 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jetscreamer to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:06.59 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 04:07.03 | rares000 | nx? |
| 04:07.20 | albino | rares000: Maybe if you ran windows ontop of Linux with vmware, or atmp |
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| 04:07.37 | albino | rares000: I think what you want is FreeNX |
| 04:07.50 | jetscreamer | aol for linux! |
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| 04:08.20 | Ritalin | Im looking for a open source video editor that can edit mpeg,avi and wmv, you guys know of one? |
| 04:08.35 | jetscreamer | !tell Ritalin about marillat |
| 04:08.36 | bob2 | rares000: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=255850 |
| 04:08.54 | bob2 | jetscreamer: which package in marillat's apt source does that? |
| 04:08.54 | jetscreamer | have a few |
| 04:09.14 | jetscreamer | ok bob2 i'll find out |
| 04:09.19 | freemo | jetscreamer, makes sense.. i suppose some programs can have a special character for comments.. however # seems to be fairly universal onlinux |
| 04:09.20 | pshaggy | easy way to test fps in X? |
| 04:09.20 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 04:09.37 | jetscreamer | or remember one that is close, let's see shall we? |
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| 04:10.06 | jetscreamer | pshaggy glxgears maybe |
| 04:10.11 | zinx | pshaggy: fps of what? |
| 04:10.13 | pshaggy | that's the one. thanks |
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| 04:11.41 | jetscreamer | brb bob2 |
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| 04:15.12 | guestish | !test |
| 04:15.12 | dpkg | Yes, guestish, you're still online. |
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| 04:18.03 | guestish | quiet... |
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| 04:20.02 | seberino_ | i went to a hotspot, tried to connect 2 times, moved 5 feet, tried again and finally got a connection. Is linux wifi normally this fragile or is it my fault? |
| 04:20.08 | vegai | http://www.nedprod.com/programs/gccvisibility.html |
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| 04:20.52 | guestish | seberino_: could be your antenna.. |
| 04:21.13 | seberino_ | guestish: my little pcmcia wifi card has NO antenna |
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| 04:22.07 | bob2 | seberino_: how do you know it's linux-related? |
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| 04:23.09 | seberino_ | bob2: i don't |
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| 04:23.53 | guestish | seberino_: ? |
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| 04:24.25 | jlb | anyone here watch samurai champloo? |
| 04:24.37 | seberino_ | guestish: how do "pros" get a good strong connection? massive antennas? |
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| 04:24.46 | guestish | seberino_: some make cantennas |
| 04:24.55 | guestish | seberino_: most buy better cards |
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| 04:25.17 | guestish | seberino_: the quality of the card has a lot to do with it |
| 04:25.53 | emptied | seberino_: Better cards, directional antennas, or even a different protocol (802.16 for example) since Wifi is hamstrung by the FCC's low power limit on it |
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| 04:26.45 | seberino_ | guestish, emptied: thanks, if pcmcia wifi card has no plug for an external antenna is all hope lost? |
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| 04:27.12 | supergear | can i join the RTFM team ? |
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| 04:27.37 | emptied | seberino: wellll... directionals may still help you |
| 04:28.10 | emptied | seberino_: seattlewireless.net has a wiki with lots of good FrankenWiFi info in it :) |
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| 04:29.01 | pixelmonkey | my copy of gpdf just freezes whenever I open PDfs, anyone know why (talking sid) |
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| 04:29.21 | bob2 | What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 04:29.27 | seberino_ | emptied: how hook up a "directional" if no antenna plug? |
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| 04:30.29 | emptied | seberino_: on the other end |
| 04:30.35 | pixelmonkey | BTS has bug but no explanation of what is causing it |
| 04:30.46 | digi | having a problem modprobing soundcore...i have soundcore: unknown symbol output errors in dmesg...can anyone gimme a hand? |
| 04:31.08 | emptied | seberino_: or I suppose if you are crafty and don't mind positioning to aim your PCMCIA slot the right way ;) |
| 04:31.23 | guestish | seberino_: what card? |
| 04:31.48 | emptied | Anyway, AFK cloning servers... |
| 04:31.48 | pixelmonkey | it must be some version of some gnome library, because even when it does open a document, no fonts display |
| 04:31.48 | guestish | seberino_: brand, signals it supports, range, etc |
| 04:31.59 | seberino_ | guestish: linksys WPC55AG |
| 04:32.11 | seberino_ | guestish: gosh, i haven't the foggiest |
| 04:32.27 | seberino_ | guestish: oh wait, it does a,b & g |
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| 04:32.48 | seberino_ | emptied: yea, i guess i could try moving my laptop around to see if that helps |
| 04:33.09 | seberino_ | emptied: that seems lame but if everyone else needs to do that then i don't feel so bad knowing it ain't my fault |
| 04:33.13 | seberino_ | emptied: =) |
| 04:33.18 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg avidemux mencoder... not sure about wmv |
| 04:33.19 | bob2 | digi: you built your kernel wrong |
| 04:33.20 | guestish | seberino_: probably just a directional antenna.. |
| 04:33.24 | bob2 | digi: use a Debian one |
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| 04:33.48 | digi | bob2: hrm |
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| 04:34.20 | digi | bob2: so i select kernel-image-* |
| 04:34.21 | digi | ? |
| 04:34.24 | Oldhip | Howdy ppls |
| 04:34.55 | bob2 | digi: yes. |
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| 04:36.54 | emptied | Hey all... I installed a partimage of / and /boot on a new server earlier, and I move / from sda3 to sda4 in the process... Now when I boot I get "kernel panic: no init found"... what do I need to change? |
| 04:37.22 | guestish | tar freezes randomly when unzipping files |
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| 04:37.23 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.23 | Vyrus001 | im trying to switch a suse box to debian... is there a way to do this withough copying all the info of my current desktop and doing a freash install? (i have data on the drive that id rather not move) |
| 04:37.35 | jetscreamer | root= |
| 04:37.48 | guestish | i've tried gunziping it before (which is fine) and running it through tar, but both times the tar file wont detar |
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| 04:37.58 | guestish | stops at random times |
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| 04:38.15 | emptied | jetscreamer I do but it had no boot+ or root+ stanzas in it... I rdev'ed the kernel to sda4 and mounted all as I would into a chrot and ran lilo too |
| 04:38.16 | bob2 | Vyrus001: debtakeover |
| 04:38.30 | Vyrus001 | bob2: what's that |
| 04:38.48 | guestish | any ideas? |
| 04:39.09 | emptied | jetscreamer: I will add the root and boot directives and see if it helps |
| 04:39.14 | jetscreamer | mine has boot=/dev/hda |
| 04:39.14 | jetscreamer | root=/dev/hda2 |
| 04:39.41 | emptied | is boot in an image paragraph or is it global? I can't remember |
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| 04:39.57 | jetscreamer | bob2 knows more than me though, maybe you have some ideas, bobbie? |
| 04:40.38 | Vyrus001 | bob2: wow thanx, i had no idea somthing like that was out there... tell me whill i load the web page though.. does this method do a total wipe of the old os and software (no more rpm's please :P) |
| 04:41.12 | guestish | no ideas then? |
| 04:41.19 | guestish | :) |
| 04:41.23 | dli__ | I messed up. the system won't set hostname to /etc/hostname, I have /etc/init.d/hostname.sh and S40hostname.sh -> ../init.d/hostname.sh in /etc/rcS.d |
| 04:41.44 | bob2 | only one person is allowed to call me bobbies, and she's not you |
| 04:41.49 | bob2 | s/es/e/ |
| 04:41.59 | bob2 | Vyrus001: it replaces them all, afaik. |
| 04:42.16 | bob2 | emptied: provied root=/dev/sda4 to the kernel at boot time |
| 04:42.22 | emptied | s/only.+you/emptied: that should do the trick|emptied: no try this/ |
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| 04:42.28 | Vyrus001 | bob2: thanx man :P |
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| 04:42.35 | emptied | bob2: thanks :) |
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| 04:42.53 | dli__ | bob2: how can I make sure rcS.d is used in normal booting? |
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| 04:43.09 | bob2 | dli__: unless you horribly broker your system, it is |
| 04:43.20 | emptied | dli__: add something noisy, a hello world shell script or something |
| 04:43.40 | jetscreamer | note you'll have to supply that directive on each subsequent reboot |
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| 04:43.56 | dli__ | bob2: the hostname is incorrect, and is different in /etc/hostname |
| 04:44.10 | bob2 | dli__: what did you change? |
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| 04:44.20 | guestish | bob2: do you know of a good sparc memtest utility? |
| 04:44.25 | pshaggy | when trying to run a shell script as root (first line: #! /bin/sh ) I keep getting the error: bash: /cdrom/linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 04:44.29 | bob2 | guestish: no, sorry |
| 04:44.44 | dli__ | bob2: it's a server gateway for openmosix cluster |
| 04:45.07 | jetscreamer | i had that behavior when compiling cpu heat was the problem |
| 04:45.12 | emptied | pshaggy: is it +x ? is there really a space in your shebang line(should be #!/bin/sh)? |
| 04:45.21 | bob2 | dli__: yes, but what did you change since it last worked? |
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| 04:45.28 | guestish | bob2: thx anyways... |
| 04:45.31 | dli__ | bob2: /etc/init.d/hostname.sh does set the hostname manually |
| 04:45.46 | pshaggy | yeah, it's +x. I'm pretty sure the script is legit. It's on the UT2k4 cd.... |
| 04:45.55 | dli__ | bob2: I think it's the other one who has root access |
| 04:46.20 | emptied | pshaggy: try (as root) /bin/sh /mnt/cdrom/scriptname.sh |
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| 04:46.54 | bob2 | dli__: well, I have that same link |
| 04:46.56 | tcsetattr | `#! /bin/sh' with the space is legitimate |
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| 04:47.05 | dli__ | bob2: that guy also used up all space in the /home partition, could this be something related? |
| 04:47.10 | pshaggy | emptied, thanks, that's working |
| 04:47.22 | bob2 | dli__: full /home shouldn't break anything else |
| 04:47.26 | tcsetattr | the four-byte sequence "#! /" has always been recognized as script magic. |
| 04:47.32 | dli__ | bob2: that's what I think |
| 04:47.53 | emptied | pshaggy: NP... it's the shebang line then :) |
| 04:48.09 | dli__ | bob2: I use /home to compile some packages, it took me a while to realize it space, not a software bug :( |
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| 04:48.34 | bob2 | hah |
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| 04:49.05 | dli__ | bob2: I'm going to creat a link for hostname.sh in rc2.d, that won't hurt, right? |
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| 04:50.01 | dli__ | bob2: oh, it's /etc/init.d/hostname.dhcp |
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| 04:51.21 | dli__ | bob2: hostname.dhcp set the wrong hostname, how to correct that |
| 04:51.36 | bob2 | is that a question? |
| 04:52.12 | dli__ | bob2: yeah, I know nothing about that |
| 04:52.38 | bob2 | I have no idea |
| 04:52.41 | bob2 | !+find hostname.dhcp |
| 04:52.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hostname.dhcp' (1 shown): (/etc/init.d/hostname.dhcp) in admin/nfsbooted. |
| 04:52.54 | bob2 | there you go |
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| 04:53.56 | guestish | typos will be the death of me |
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| 04:54.33 | digi | bob2: hey, ok kernel image is installed |
| 04:54.39 | dli__ | bob2: let me creat a ln in rc2.d, and make sure it's loaded after hostname.dhcp :( it's not nfsroot booting, it's the nfsroot server, quite stupid |
| 04:54.41 | digi | bob2: sound still doesn't work - devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio |
| 04:54.58 | bob2 | er, devfs? |
| 04:55.10 | digi | ? |
| 04:55.19 | digi | yea i dunno, how do i fix that? |
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| 04:55.51 | bob2 | why are you using devfs? |
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| 04:56.29 | digi | i don't know...i just installed debian |
| 04:56.34 | digi | and then upgraded like you said |
| 04:56.38 | jetscreamer | that's normal |
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| 04:56.53 | bob2 | do you have devfsd installed? |
| 04:57.02 | bob2 | I've never seen that error before, tho |
| 04:57.05 | jetscreamer | he has a stock kernel |
| 04:57.09 | jetscreamer | i got it once |
| 04:57.12 | digi | no... |
| 04:57.13 | guestish | bob2: i get it all the time |
| 04:57.18 | guestish | bob2: every boot actually |
| 04:57.24 | bob2 | ouch |
| 04:57.28 | guestish | bob2: happens when devfs is loaded but not running (for me) |
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| 04:57.34 | guestish | bob2: doesnt actually affect anything |
| 04:57.40 | digi | how should i fix it? |
| 04:57.47 | guestish | get rid of devfs |
| 04:57.51 | CraZy675 | how can i renew my ip address? |
| 04:57.52 | michael12345 | what does this file do |
| 04:57.59 | jetscreamer | and in debian kernels you have to have the devfs support but not the running in my experience |
| 04:58.02 | digi | i don't have devfs installed as far as i know |
| 04:58.08 | michael12345 | initrd.img-2.6.3-1-386 |
| 04:58.13 | bob2 | CraZy675: "dhclient eth0" |
| 04:58.23 | bob2 | CraZy675: but in general, it should Just Work |
| 04:58.23 | CraZy675 | bob2 thanks :) |
| 04:58.25 | dli__ | bob2: can you recommend a more "standard" solution? where does the hostname.dhcp come from? |
| 04:58.35 | bob2 | dli__: from the package the bot mentioned |
| 04:58.37 | guestish | digi: its a kernel option thats probably enabled |
| 04:58.38 | michael12345 | sorry what does this file do initrd.img-2.6.3-1-386 |
| 04:58.54 | guestish | michael12345: lets your computer boot |
| 04:58.56 | digi | guestish: how do i unable it? |
| 04:58.58 | bob2 | michael12345: it's the initrd, which the kernel mounts at boot and gets modules from |
| 04:58.58 | jetscreamer | provides driver image on bootup or so |
| 04:59.01 | digi | guestish: i used the kernel-image... |
| 04:59.05 | guestish | digi: dunno |
| 04:59.10 | CraZy675 | yea i am on the school wireless network so it cuts out all the time and seeing I am new to wireless i don't quite know the ins and outs |
| 04:59.14 | guestish | digi: hasnt affected me to i havent bothered learning |
| 04:59.20 | tcsetattr | initrd.img-2.6.3-1-386 contains the modules and scripts necessary to mount the root filesystem when you boot the kernel image from the 2.6.3-1-386 package |
| 04:59.27 | digi | well someone told me to install kernel-image rather than a stock kernel manually... |
| 04:59.29 | jetscreamer | properly enabled |
| 04:59.39 | jetscreamer | kernel-image is a stock debian kernel |
| 04:59.53 | digi | arg... |
| 05:00.02 | digi | i was compiling my own manually |
| 05:00.03 | michael12345 | tcsetattr: So if I just recompiled the kernel and I have bzImage where would I get the inited dial file from |
| 05:00.04 | digi | goddamn |
| 05:00.13 | guestish | digi: whats the problem? |
| 05:00.14 | dli__ | bob2: thanks, nfsbooted removed :) |
| 05:00.23 | digi | guestish: can i pm you? |
| 05:00.26 | guestish | no |
| 05:00.27 | guestish | #flood |
| 05:00.28 | tcsetattr | michael12345, if you compile your own you should make it include all the drivers for your rootfs, so you don't need an initrd |
| 05:00.28 | guestish | :) |
| 05:00.37 | digi | well i dont need to paste anything big |
| 05:00.38 | jetscreamer | michael12345, try make-kpkg or you create one with mkinitrd iirc |
| 05:00.44 | digi | i just wanted to talk without any other text flooding my screen |
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| 05:00.47 | guestish | digi: then #flood is perfect |
| 05:00.51 | digi | k |
| 05:01.20 | emptied | bob2, jetscreamer: I am an idiot, root=/dev/sda3 was hidden in a sea of comment tags. Comes up fine now :D |
| 05:01.36 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 05:01.51 | dli__ | bob2: my root doesn't load /root/.bashrc automatically, how to correct this |
| 05:02.01 | bob2 | emptied: hah, cool |
| 05:02.08 | bob2 | dli__: yes it does |
| 05:02.13 | bob2 | dli__: or, edit ~/.bash_profile |
| 05:02.23 | bob2 | dli__: the INVOCATION section of the bash man page explains why |
| 05:02.24 | emptied | dli__: make sure you aren't aliased to 'su -m' somewhere... |
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| 05:02.54 | guestish | digi: follow it to the letter: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1] |
| 05:02.58 | guestish | digi: follow it to the letter: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1 |
| 05:03.03 | dli__ | bob2: oh, I didn't have +x permission for /root/.bashrc |
| 05:03.24 | guestish | digi: install alsa-source and compile it against your kernel sources |
| 05:03.38 | bob2 | dli__: it doesn't need to be +x |
| 05:03.56 | guestish | digi: substitute 2.4.18 for 2.6.8.1 |
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| 05:04.02 | dli__ | bob2: I have . ~/.bashrc in ~/.bash_profile :( |
| 05:04.02 | digi | guestish: i don't have any kernel sourecs anymore...cuz i installed the kernel-image |
| 05:04.30 | bob2 | dli__: you are sourcing it? |
| 05:04.31 | guestish | digi: well then do apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8.1-1-i686 or whatever you are using |
| 05:04.40 | guestish | digi: er, i mean kernel-source-2.6.8.1 |
| 05:04.44 | digi | ok |
| 05:04.46 | guestish | digi: then install alsa-source, and compile both |
| 05:04.59 | guestish | digi: i hope you arent just using the default config and actually making your own |
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| 05:05.14 | digi | guestish: i WAS until i was told to use kernel-image |
| 05:05.16 | dli__ | bob2: yeah, it's ". ~/.bashrc", let me change it to "source ~/.bashrc" |
| 05:05.24 | guestish | digi: good |
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| 05:05.31 | digi | guestish: i made my own custom config...and soundcore didn't work but now im using default |
| 05:05.32 | RetardedSmurf | anyone know why /lib/cpp would fail an automake sanity check? |
| 05:05.38 | bob2 | dli__: either should work |
| 05:05.39 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: install build-essential |
| 05:05.42 | guestish | digi: disable all references to alsa in the kernel config if you are using alsa-source |
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| 05:06.34 | guestish | digi: if this is just a simple modprobing issue you could just do modprobe soundcore,but im guessing thats not it |
| 05:06.34 | RetardedSmurf | bob2: thx, installing |
| 05:06.50 | digi | well what i did was select soundcore as module and alll the alsa items as modules |
| 05:06.55 | dli__ | bob2: strange thing, if I execute "xterm &" now, .bashrc loaded in xterm, but in original ssh terminal, not |
| 05:07.07 | digi | guestish: no i couldn't modprobe soundcore |
| 05:07.08 | jetscreamer | soundcore is like over both alsa and oss in a tree like structure, isn't it? aka both depend on it? |
| 05:07.11 | guestish | digi: k |
| 05:07.14 | bob2 | dli__: well, that is the default behaviour as man bash explains |
| 05:07.21 | digi | guestish: one sec, lemme actually get back into my custom kernel |
| 05:07.22 | pbryan | dli__: Right. That's normal. |
| 05:07.28 | bob2 | dli__: but if you're sourcing ~/.bashrc in ~/.bash_profile, it should always come through |
| 05:07.30 | guestish | digi: doesnt matter, but ok |
| 05:07.37 | pbryan | .bash_profile is called when SSHing in. |
| 05:07.52 | dli__ | bob2: okay, doing that |
| 05:07.56 | pbryan | Uncomment the .bashrc lines in your .bash_profile. |
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| 05:09.17 | dli__ | bob2: I have a line (no conditioning) in /root/.bash_profile, source ~/.bashrc, still no effect at all for ssh |
| 05:09.39 | bob2 | dli__: er, have you read the man section I told youabout? |
| 05:09.48 | pbryan | dli: you logged-in again? |
| 05:11.16 | dli__ | bob2: forget it, stupid mistake in my part. :( I set PATH in .bash_profile after . ~/.bashrc, of cource, no effect from .bashrc, |
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| 05:11.26 | emptied | dli__: su != login |
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| 05:11.58 | quamaretto | Can someone point me to a/the non-by-hand network configuration tool? "By hand" is not working. |
| 05:12.16 | bob2 | ah |
| 05:12.24 | pbryan | quamaretto: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:12.24 | dli__ | emptied: I only need PATH set in .bashrc, but I had .bash_profile reset PATH after ". ~/.bashrc", mistunderstanding |
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| 05:12.29 | bob2 | paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood |
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| 05:12.55 | emptied | dli__: oh ok |
| 05:13.23 | quamaretto | pbryan: My network interfaces are fine. I'm trying to get gateway/DNS stuff working (for a static IP behind my home router) |
| 05:13.57 | emptied | quamaretto: route add default gw ip.of.home.router |
| 05:13.58 | pbryan | quamaretto: gateway is specified with "gateway" under interface in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 05:14.25 | pbryan | DNS is specified in /etc/resolv.conf with "nameserver" lines. |
| 05:14.53 | pbryan | Also, you can apt-get install resolvconf for a sane management of DNS. |
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| 05:14.55 | emptied | heh, been jacking with liveCDs all day I forget that there are *permanent* solutions |
| 05:14.57 | quamaretto | Hmm |
| 05:15.05 | quamaretto | I don't have a line for eth0 in interfaces |
| 05:15.25 | pbryan | quamaretto: Add a gateway line under eth0 interface, and you should be set. |
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| 05:16.10 | quamaretto | Eh.. I don't have a line for eth0, but I'll figure it out |
| 05:16.19 | pbryan | Want an example? |
| 05:16.31 | quamaretto | Sure |
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| 05:23.44 | pbryan | !meaning of life |
| 05:23.44 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, pbryan, or 42 |
| 05:24.00 | pbryan | !amazing race |
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| 05:24.19 | pbryan | !kick pbryan |
| 05:24.23 | pbryan | ouch |
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| 05:27.17 | pbryan | !furby |
| 05:27.17 | dpkg | i guess furby is a security risk |
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| 05:27.40 | jm_ | try using /msg dpkg instead |
| 05:27.48 | pbryan | Alright. |
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| 05:35.27 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 05:35.27 | dpkg | Yes, jetscreamer, you're still online. |
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| 05:39.11 | Scheme | Can I stop other shell users from looking in other users home directories? |
| 05:39.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:39.31 | Scheme | without changing chmod's so they don;t work from the web |
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| 05:39.51 | jetscreamer | beyond me |
| 05:41.16 | jm_ | Scheme: chroot them |
| 05:41.25 | maher | Scheme: you mean home/user private but home/user/public_html public? |
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| 05:42.42 | Kerr_ | ffs |
| 05:43.28 | Kerr_ | why would a three minute long session of hdd activity, and 100% cpu load supurred by gunzip happen at 6:30 am, and be so loud it wakes me up? |
| 05:43.56 | maher | Kerr_: look in cron.daily? |
| 05:44.27 | maher | Kerr_: logrotate zipping the logs? |
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| 05:44.48 | bob2 | 0625 is cron.daily time |
| 05:44.53 | bob2 | log rotation, updatedb, etc |
| 05:46.16 | bian | i am getting the following error when trying to load the kernel ' VFS cannot open root device hda8 or unknown-block(3,8) |
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| 05:47.42 | jm_ | you're either not laoding initrd or your kernel is fubared in some other way |
| 05:48.33 | bian | i have made the kernel without any modules do i need initrd |
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| 05:48.47 | jm_ | no |
| 05:49.02 | jm_ | then it means you're lacking support for your hardware or filesystem support or somesuch |
| 05:49.09 | jm_ | or it's even trying to mount wrong root |
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| 05:49.36 | lispy | is the version of samba in testing and unstable known to be broken with windows clients? |
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| 05:49.59 | bian | no i have checked it all the ide drives are detected and the root file system is detected in the begining |
| 05:50.01 | lispy | i did an upgrade and now my windows clients are having pretty sever problems just browsing for files |
| 05:50.29 | jm_ | bian: then inspect kernel's output carefully |
| 05:51.09 | bian | ok let me give it a look logging out.......... |
| 05:51.53 | lispy | does anyone happen to have the source package to samba 3.0.1 or so (older than 3.0.6 should be fine) |
| 05:52.10 | maher | lispy: look in pool on your mirror |
| 05:52.26 | lispy | maher: hmmm....how do i don that? |
| 05:52.40 | maher | lispy: with a web browser? |
| 05:52.45 | lispy | okay... |
| 05:53.12 | lispy | maher: ah i see, thanks |
| 05:53.53 | jm_ | lispy: snapshot.debian.net |
| 05:54.33 | lispy | jm_: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 05:56.24 | mool | I'm running UserLinux and the PCM volume is always set to 0 on each boot. Think this uses esd. Any idea how to set it to NOT 0? |
| 05:56.45 | gordonjcp | mool: are you using ALSA? |
| 05:57.03 | jm_ | maybe #debian is not the best place for UserLinux questions |
| 05:57.08 | mool | gordonjcp, no, doesn't look like it... |
| 05:57.27 | lispy | jm_: they don't have the version i want, so i guess i'll try to figure out the configuration options used by looking at the current package source. |
| 05:57.40 | mool | jm_, UserLinux is Debian, No? |
| 05:57.45 | gordonjcp | mool: if you get modules called snd-<something> then you are, if you don't you're using OSS |
| 05:58.03 | lispy | maher, jm_: thanks |
| 05:58.57 | mool | no snd-* modules in modules.conf |
| 05:59.09 | bob2 | don't use modules.conf at all |
| 05:59.16 | bob2 | you mean /etc/modules |
| 05:59.35 | jm_ | mool: no, Debian is Debian |
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| 06:03.22 | digi | so if i installed soundcore and alsa modules in the kernel (2.6.8.1) what packages do i need to install to get sound working? |
| 06:03.45 | jm_ | alsamixer and modprobe |
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| 06:04.37 | digi | jm_: what package is alsamixer in? |
| 06:04.46 | digi | jm_: all i see is gnome-alsamixer and alsamixergui |
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| 06:05.21 | lispy | digi: pick one of those and it should require alsamixer |
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| 06:05.37 | florian | hi |
| 06:05.38 | lispy | digi: just going by the standard apt behavior |
| 06:05.45 | Bangers | how do I extract a tar archive when my pwd is /tmp, but I want to extract it as if I was in /usr/local |
| 06:06.05 | digi | yeah...im guessing i don't need alsa-source and alsa-modules seen as i already compiled them into the kernel as modules right? |
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| 06:06.44 | jm_ | digi: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:07.09 | paul_ | can someone tell me how i can make xscreensaver running as my background? |
| 06:07.18 | bob2 | Bangers: cd /usr/local/ |
| 06:07.35 | jm_ | Bangers: tar has -C switch |
| 06:07.44 | Bangers | bob2, i cant cd to the dir, because the tar command is being run from ssh, so i dont technically have a pwd |
| 06:08.08 | Bangers | jm_, yes i know about the -c switch, problem is, I'm using it liike: tar -xvf /tmp/archive.tar -c /usr/local |
| 06:08.16 | maher | Bangers: ssh cd foo && tar.... |
| 06:08.22 | Bangers | and it says something about not being able to use the xc (and other) switches together |
| 06:08.37 | jm_ | Bangers: it's not -c, it's -C |
| 06:08.48 | Bangers | oh |
| 06:08.54 | bian | jim_:i dont see any other unusual kernel output before this error |
| 06:09.07 | bob2 | Bangers: ssh foo@bar "(cd /usr/local ; tar -xf /tmp/whatever.tar)" |
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| 06:09.14 | jm_ | Bangers: the solution is simple : tar -C bla -x -v -f /tmp/whatever.tar should work |
| 06:09.37 | jm_ | bian: talking to me ? it doesn't necessarily mean there will be an error |
| 06:09.49 | digi | ok cool it's working |
| 06:09.51 | digi | thx guys |
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| 06:10.42 | Bangers | tar -xvf /tmp/archive.tar -C /usr/local |
| 06:10.50 | bian | oh its very sad i have been trying for two days now i dont know whats going wrong with it |
| 06:10.53 | Bangers | why doesnt thta actually spit out output telling me the files it overwriting? |
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| 06:12.27 | Boutit305 | new test server up with no load hightech.no-ip.com |
| 06:12.30 | jetscreamer | bian did you check lilo.conf for an initrd reference? |
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| 06:13.05 | florian | paul_:any hints? |
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| 06:15.16 | paul_ | florian, yeah the answer to the question is /usr/lib/xscreensaver/module -root |
| 06:15.17 | jm_ | bian: then post the kernel output somewhere - it's trivial to capture it via a serial console if you have that |
| 06:15.31 | paul_ | florian, try instead of module using galaxy |
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| 06:16.24 | garrett | hi i'm trying to print with cups/cupsys-bsd and i get "lpr: error - scheduler not responding!" ... what should i do to fix it? |
| 06:17.11 | jm_ | try looking in CUPS logs |
| 06:17.22 | jm_ | and make sure you have enabled BSD compatibilty mode in CUPS |
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| 06:17.56 | garrett | jm_, nothing shows up in the error log |
| 06:18.08 | florian | paul_:what is galaxy? |
| 06:18.49 | paul_ | flori, an awesome module to xscreensaver |
| 06:18.51 | garrett | jm_, and how do i enable BSD compatability in cups? |
| 06:18.58 | bob2 | install cupsys-bsd |
| 06:19.11 | jm_ | garrett: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys |
| 06:19.18 | garrett | jm_, nothing came up |
| 06:19.23 | garrett | bob2, i installed cupsys-bsd |
| 06:19.34 | bob2 | as a client or server? |
| 06:19.49 | jm_ | garrett: then your default debconf priority might be screwed - man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:19.59 | jm_ | actually no |
| 06:20.04 | garrett | bob2, i set up the bsd lpd compatability with debconf, is that what you're asking about? |
| 06:20.15 | jm_ | yeah |
| 06:20.20 | jm_ | that should be enough |
| 06:20.28 | garrett | jm_, so i should file a bug? |
| 06:20.28 | jm_ | does printing with lp work ? |
| 06:20.37 | jm_ | garrett: no, you should first investigate some more |
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| 06:20.47 | garrett | lp: error - scheduler not responding! |
| 06:20.57 | jm_ | so cups is not working at all then |
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| 06:22.10 | florian | paul_:did you tryed xearth? |
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| 06:22.54 | paul_ | florian, whats that? |
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| 06:23.27 | florian | paul_: apt-get install xearth ;-) |
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| 06:24.00 | paul_ | florian, ok ill give it a shot |
| 06:24.08 | ElNooboStupido | im trying to install ncurses with apt but it says it is referred to by another package - how do I get it? Use a different apt source? |
| 06:24.26 | garrett | jm_, no i can print a test page |
| 06:24.36 | garrett | jm_, through the web setup thing |
| 06:24.40 | directhex | ElNooboStupido, libncurses5 |
| 06:24.43 | garrett | jm_, (localhost:631( |
| 06:25.00 | garrett | jm_, but any lp* crap doesn't work, which is why i'm inclined to think it's a cupsys-bsd bug |
| 06:25.06 | ElNooboStupido | thanks |
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| 06:25.09 | paul_ | florian, does it do anything or just show me the earth? |
| 06:25.40 | jm_ | garrett: enable debugging and check logs |
| 06:26.28 | florian | paul_: it show an animated earth |
| 06:26.43 | paul_ | florian, looks kinda still:) |
| 06:26.52 | florian | paul_: same as xplanet |
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| 06:27.11 | garrett | jm_, enable debugging...is that an option in /etc/cupsys? |
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| 06:27.12 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev too |
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| 06:27.18 | paul_ | florian, now what would really be cool if it was an uptodate satilite image |
| 06:27.24 | emptied | Anyone know a good way to export a partition setup and automate it later (eg I want to automate fdisk) |
| 06:27.48 | florian | paul_: with clouds? |
| 06:27.55 | paul_ | florian, yes |
| 06:28.04 | florian | paul_: uuuh |
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| 06:28.39 | florian | paul_: are you running the background in gnome? |
| 06:28.45 | emptied | paul_: It'd be cooler if you could zoom in and see what everyoneon the planet is doing. And then laser them. |
| 06:29.18 | paul_ | florian, no in fvwm... let me check it out in gnome real quick.. |
| 06:29.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:29.29 | jm_ | garrett: yes, cupsd.conf |
| 06:29.32 | Phated | emptied: It'd be cooler still if you could play it like SimPlanet... Control every human on Earth. |
| 06:29.33 | directhex | emptied, i think that was george bush's justification for star wars 2 |
| 06:29.39 | jm_ | emptied: sfdisk |
| 06:29.46 | garrett | jm_, ok, there a bunch of stuff that pops up when i try to lpr something |
| 06:29.55 | garrett | jm_, should i post it in #flood? |
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| 06:30.13 | emptied | Phated: Yeah, and spawn Godzirra to eat Tokyo |
| 06:30.19 | Phated | emptied: Oh, nice. :) |
| 06:30.21 | emptied | jm_: Thanks a ton |
| 06:30.24 | jm_ | garrett: if there's someone who can help you there, why not ? |
| 06:30.27 | paul_ | emptied, yes that would be really cool |
| 06:30.34 | paul_ | florian, how do you zoom in? |
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| 06:30.48 | emptied | directhex: I doubt Dubya can manage X |
| 06:31.12 | directhex | emptied, well that's why he demanded it be built for real |
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| 06:31.58 | directhex | anyway, off to work |
| 06:33.55 | garrett | ok, i posted all my cups errors to #flood |
| 06:34.00 | florian | paul_: xplanet in gnome ->radius |
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| 06:34.26 | Takeo | hi! |
| 06:34.49 | jetscreamer | !hi Takeo |
| 06:34.49 | emptied | jm_: So in this barfed output, is there a way I can just say "fill all space remaining with partitionX"? |
| 06:34.49 | dpkg | Many greetings, Takeo, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 06:35.51 | florian | hmm can't select the default background in gnome, what is wrong? |
| 06:36.13 | jetscreamer | you're not worthy |
| 06:36.36 | jm_ | emptied: you'll need to script that I believe |
| 06:37.22 | emptied | jm_: Hrmmm it is the last partition on the drive... Wonder if I could just do "size=" and let sfdisk fill it in? |
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| 06:37.58 | florian | jetscreamer: me? |
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| 06:40.18 | boreas | are there any apt-gettable kernel patches that are compatible with SELinux in debian? |
| 06:40.26 | boreas | i don't see much for 2.6 w/ apt-cache search |
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| 06:44.18 | Lost`Soul | everyone knows a site to configured a server as a router with getaways????? |
| 06:44.28 | florian | paul_: works? |
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| 06:44.44 | Lost`Soul | or how to link card eth1 ? |
| 06:45.30 | paul_ | florian, not exactly.. |
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| 06:47.13 | paul_ | florian, ill look into it a little later, gotta get some homework done right now |
| 06:47.50 | helloyo | is sid very unstable? i want to try some of the new software, and i'm planning on reinstalling a distro soon anyway |
| 06:47.54 | florian | paul_: bye |
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| 06:48.58 | SlayerXP | helloyo: sid is actually fairly stable right now (in terms of unstable stability) |
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| 06:49.08 | helloyo | i'll give it a go then, thanks |
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| 06:50.26 | mick_laptop | hello everyone, i have a dell here that is extremely unstable. It is also particularly slow (when it really shouldn't be). It is a 1 gighz celron with a decent amount of ram. I even use a lightweight wm, but i can still feel how sluggish everything is. |
| 06:50.49 | mick_laptop | applications will freeze a lot |
| 06:50.54 | graytron | bad hd? |
| 06:51.14 | mick_laptop | hmmm, that could be |
| 06:51.36 | mick_laptop | is there a way to check how "healthy" a hd is? |
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| 06:51.50 | ElNooboStupido | I was wondering - if I set up a huge initial ramdisk in the kernel - how do I go about loading files to it? I have 1.5 g of ram and I'd like to load up some things to make it run faster |
| 06:52.07 | streuner | mick_laptop: run a speed test |
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| 06:52.20 | streuner | mick_laptop: man hdparm |
| 06:52.36 | mick_laptop | thats what i figured |
| 06:52.37 | streuner | mick_laptop: look into your logs |
| 06:52.48 | mick_laptop | that might also be an idea |
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| 06:53.11 | streuner | mick_laptop: linux will tell you in time, if something is wrong... |
| 06:53.16 | streuner | or not |
| 06:54.05 | streuner | ElNooboStupido: linux use the whole amount of RAM |
| 06:54.13 | maher | ElNooboStupido: what do you want in the ramdisk? how about cp |
| 06:54.30 | ElNooboStupido | maher I have no idea, I was hoping to get some advice before I started trying |
| 06:54.30 | helloyo | how exactly would i go about getting sid? is there a cd set i can download? |
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| 06:54.45 | streuner | helloyo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:55.05 | maher | ElNooboStupido: why make a ramdisk - why not just use it as ram |
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| 06:55.11 | helloyo | thanks |
| 06:55.14 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 06:55.25 | ElNooboStupido | I dunno - knoppix ran incredibly fast when I loaded it toram |
| 06:55.47 | iLLf8d | is there a package to install java in debian? I see a few like java-common altho will that give me what I need to run a java app in a browser? |
| 06:56.03 | maher | ElNooboStupido: the kernel loads things to ram when youwant to use them - that's its job |
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| 06:56.08 | ElNooboStupido | iLLf8d why not just d/l and install it from sun |
| 06:56.19 | ElNooboStupido | maher what is a ramdisk for then? |
| 06:56.19 | maher | iLLf8d: try java-package |
| 06:56.34 | streuner | ElNooboStupido: what kind of HD do you have? |
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| 06:56.42 | mick_laptop | iLLf8d: i thought you had to get the plugin for mozilla (or FF) |
| 06:56.47 | ElNooboStupido | western digital 15g ata 66 |
| 06:56.52 | iLLf8d | ElNooboStupido, i've done that in the past altho I was trying to avoid weeding through the lice agreements again and use a deb for it |
| 06:57.02 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 06:57.10 | maher | ElNooboStupido: to give you rw space on boxes with ro media - to give you manual control on loading something permanently into ram |
| 06:57.15 | ElNooboStupido | those lice agreements can get itchy |
| 06:57.17 | mhall | how do I get "startx & && exit" to start startx in the background and then exit |
| 06:57.24 | mhall | bash gets pissed when i try it |
| 06:57.30 | mhall | since it's three &&& in a row |
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| 06:57.43 | Tzigane | Howdy =) |
| 06:57.45 | The_Vulture | mhall: startx&; exit |
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| 06:57.57 | jm_ | mhall: startx & exit, but it might kill startx so better disown it first |
| 06:58.03 | Tzigane | Has anyone managed to get reiserfs quotas working on / before? |
| 06:58.06 | mhall | The_Vulture: but what if i only want to exit if starting startx succeeds |
| 06:58.14 | Phated | Oooo. &&& looks like 666, no wonder bash doesn't like it. |
| 06:58.15 | jm_ | mhall: you can't do it this way |
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| 06:58.16 | mhall | jm_ it seems to work by hand but breaks down in automation |
| 06:58.19 | Tzigane | 'quotacheck -c /' gives 'Mountpoint (or device) / not found.' |
| 06:58.21 | The_Vulture | mhall: but you can't know if startx succeeds if you are backgrounding startx.. |
| 06:58.22 | mhall | Phated: lollerskates |
| 06:58.23 | peterrooney | maher: Seems E.N.S. is trying to dupe an old Mac trick - If you have enough memory you can put the entire file system on a RAM disk, reboot, and suddenly everything gets disturbingly fast... |
| 06:58.30 | iLLf8d | mick_laptop, seems all the apt-cache seach java mozilla comes out with all javascript not java stuffs primarily and firefox search turns up nill |
| 06:58.35 | Phated | mhall: :D |
| 06:58.36 | iLLf8d | maher will try java-package thanks |
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| 06:58.48 | upgrdman | im having trouble telneting to this on site, can you guys try? telnet bingo.ru |
| 06:58.50 | mhall | The_Vulture: ok, makes sense, but this is the error: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&&' |
| 06:59.00 | nuix | mhall: nohup startx&; exit |
| 06:59.03 | mhall | The_Vulture: which indicated to me that something else is pissing it off |
| 06:59.06 | maher | peterrooney: assuming the startup of loading it all into ram in the first place |
| 06:59.06 | ElNooboStupido | so how big SHOULD my ramdisk be? |
| 06:59.07 | The_Vulture | mhall: right, because you can't concatenate with && or || or whatever, when you already have an & |
| 06:59.12 | mhall | nuix: it does not seem to be hohupped |
| 06:59.23 | The_Vulture | you had the &, that was fine, then you put the &&, which bash did not expect |
| 06:59.28 | maher | ElNooboStupido: if you don't know you don't need one |
| 06:59.40 | mick_laptop | iLLf8d: you might just want to look at the extention page for mozilla/ff |
| 06:59.40 | mhall | nuix: ack |
| 06:59.41 | mhall | nuix: seem to need to be |
| 06:59.42 | jm_ | illf8'http://z42.de/debian/ |
| 06:59.43 | iLLf8d | hrm java-package doesn't look like it either |
| 06:59.47 | streuner | ElNooboStupido: linux use the whole amount of RAM, you don't listen |
| 06:59.57 | iLLf8d | says ustility for building java related debian packages as the descript |
| 07:00.05 | mhall | The_Vulture: fair enough, but then why does it seem to like this: (startx &) && exit |
| 07:00.14 | jm_ | !tell iLLf8d -about j2se-package |
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| 07:00.20 | mhall | The_Vulture: but when you run my example, startx does not start, it just exits |
| 07:00.21 | The_Vulture | beats me, not sure what bash does with () in that situation |
| 07:00.31 | iLLf8d | jm_ thanks that looks better |
| 07:00.32 | mick_laptop | jm_: i dono that that adds the moz plugin for java |
| 07:00.34 | streuner | ElNooboStupido: what do you think its faster your old HD or CDROM? |
| 07:00.36 | ElNooboStupido | maher - im talking about in the kernel, when im compiling it |
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| 07:00.37 | mhall | The_Vulture: me neither, but whatever it does is strange, i can tell you that much |
| 07:00.40 | mhall | The_Vulture: lol |
| 07:00.40 | jm_ | mhall: () starts a subshell |
| 07:00.56 | mhall | jm_: aah, ok |
| 07:01.08 | jm_ | mick_laptop: well it's a matter of symlinking it if the package won't do it |
| 07:01.17 | ElNooboStupido | theres an option for an initial ramdisk - it was set at 4096 - but if I dont need a ramdisk at all, can I just turn that off and expect it to boot safely and work correctly? |
| 07:01.43 | streuner | ElNooboStupido: use the entries of an official kernel |
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| 07:02.00 | maher | ElNooboStupido: that's different - use the config from a debian kernel for that |
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| 07:02.10 | dli__ | which command to check ntp status? ntpq -p ? |
| 07:02.20 | ElNooboStupido | maher - ok thats what im doing - it was set @ 4096 |
| 07:02.23 | ElNooboStupido | thanks |
| 07:02.36 | mick_laptop | i see from the FF faq "JRE 1.4.2 contains a compatible plugin." |
| 07:02.47 | mick_laptop | so, yup that should do |
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| 07:03.35 | mhall | dli__: try a man page |
| 07:04.24 | mick_laptop | streuner: i fogot to say thanks for before :) - i just noticed that, sorry |
| 07:04.44 | streuner | mick_laptop: np |
| 07:04.50 | streuner | !kiwismite mhall |
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| 07:05.42 | streuner | mhall: you ever saw the kiwismite command, its pretty amazing ;-) |
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| 07:06.52 | grim | i don't suppose if anyone in here knows if theres a package for binutils for arm cross compiling |
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| 07:08.45 | streuner | what for? |
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| 07:08.56 | streuner | grim: are you a DD? |
| 07:09.27 | grim | no i'm trying to compile some stuff for arm on my i386 box.. |
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| 07:10.34 | mick_laptop | grim: can you point me to some good docs on cross compiling? I have some PPC stuff that i'd like to compile on my x86 |
| 07:10.52 | grim | mick_laptop: just check google.. |
| 07:11.08 | grim | only reason i'm asking about a package is because i saw a few platforms in apt but no arm ones.. |
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| 07:11.16 | streuner | grim: nothing in usenet or in ML's? |
| 07:11.24 | jm_ | grim: toolchain |
| 07:11.26 | mick_laptop | thats what i did, i just thought you might know something that is *good* documentation |
| 07:11.40 | siippa | onko suomalaisia |
| 07:11.43 | grim | there we go, thanks jm_ |
| 07:12.00 | jm_ | toolchain-source is the package name |
| 07:12.10 | siippa | kukaan ei uskalla myöntää |
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| 07:12.26 | grim | looks like i'll just need prc-tools and prc-tools-arm.. |
| 07:12.28 | streuner | dpkg info toolchain-source |
| 07:12.32 | grim | trying to build some stuff for my ipod :) |
| 07:12.34 | dpkg | toolchain-source: (The GNU binutils and gcc source code), section devel, is extra. Version: 3.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 38216 kB, Installed size: 43132 kB |
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| 07:15.49 | abakis | yo yo |
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| 07:16.15 | abakis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.00 | abakis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.14 | mick_laptop | you mean for the irc channels for the 2600 (like the meetings) |
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| 07:17.22 | abakis | aye |
| 07:17.27 | abakis | i deleted them :( |
| 07:17.40 | siippa | good boy |
| 07:17.52 | abakis | all i know is irc.chicago2600.net |
| 07:17.55 | mick_laptop | irc.2600.net |
| 07:18.04 | abakis | yeah tried that... lol |
| 07:18.08 | jm_ | !test |
| 07:18.08 | dpkg | Yes, jm_, you're still online. |
| 07:18.23 | mick_laptop | channels are: #XX2600 where XX is the two-letter state code |
| 07:18.31 | grim | abakis: the servers suck and it'll probably take a while to get connected.. but i assure you that network is running.. |
| 07:18.47 | abakis | yeah i figured as much :)_ |
| 07:18.53 | siippa | oulunkarpat is the best |
| 07:18.54 | abakis | man fuking gaim blows |
| 07:19.04 | mick_laptop | those servers are always up/down |
| 07:19.06 | abakis | won't even connect :-? |
| 07:19.24 | plangent | abakis: I think that should be, "man gaim fucking blows" |
| 07:19.24 | abakis | i lied |
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| 07:19.43 | mhall | hmm wacky |
| 07:19.48 | mhall | my connection screwed up bad |
| 07:19.54 | abakis | yeah sorry used to everquest "politically correct" talk ;p; |
| 07:19.56 | abakis | lol |
| 07:20.18 | mhall | !mhallsmite political correctness |
| 07:20.19 | dpkg | Fuck political correctness. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 07:20.30 | mhall | abakis: not here ;-) |
| 07:20.36 | plangent | then break it off and beat it with the rest of it |
| 07:20.46 | abakis | yeah sorry force of habbit...gulp |
| 07:21.05 | abakis | didnt mean to offend the anarchist lol |
| 07:21.10 | mhall | abakis: haha |
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| 07:21.27 | mick_laptop | hmmm from the man page of hdparm, -t should test this thing out |
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| 07:21.40 | mick_laptop | ah shit i forgot to tell it which one |
| 07:21.42 | abakis | im new to this irc shiza |
| 07:21.43 | plangent | Carlin's the man |
| 07:21.56 | abakis | how do you emopte a certain user :-? |
| 07:22.05 | mick_laptop | abakis: i can tell, since your going on the 2600 network :P |
| 07:22.16 | abakis | lol |
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| 07:22.24 | abakis | hey now... |
| 07:22.25 | dacoc__ | buenas |
| 07:22.33 | mick_laptop | emopte? |
| 07:22.39 | mick_laptop | is taht a word? |
| 07:22.43 | mick_laptop | that* |
| 07:22.45 | abakis | im not a tlaker thats all :-P |
| 07:22.51 | mhall | mick_laptop: i don't know about taht |
| 07:22.53 | abakis | ok ok...send a "tell" |
| 07:22.54 | mhall | mick_laptop: lollerskates |
| 07:23.05 | abakis | or do you actually have to type it out?!?!? =O |
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| 07:23.47 | abakis | now if console and irc could work in 1 window...now that would be pimp |
| 07:23.55 | abakis | anyone sue dsl? |
| 07:24.00 | abakis | or phlak? |
| 07:24.05 | abakis | use* |
| 07:24.13 | scarynetworkguy | !tell abakis about enter |
| 07:24.34 | jm_ | is he here to discuss Debian related stuff at all ? |
| 07:24.50 | abakis | well..i am using debian based on one pc |
| 07:24.58 | abakis | :) |
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| 07:25.17 | mick_laptop | in other words a knoppix/phlak/whatever hd install |
| 07:25.34 | The_Vulture | akusarujin: so that would be a "no" then? |
| 07:25.37 | lazybone | sdf |
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| 07:25.50 | abakis | well xnadros is next to me...but too windows...but a good install for a server distro |
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| 07:26.33 | abakis | actually...ne deb distros come with a pcmcia.img boot? |
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| 07:27.14 | abakis | oh wow.... lol |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | !lol |
| 07:27.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 07:27.25 | abakis | kinda new to the small talk are we? lol |
| 07:27.36 | abakis | nah i like to flaunt it |
| 07:27.37 | Guerin | !moronspeak |
| 07:27.37 | dpkg | [moronspeak] adding -ies -ramaany other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 07:27.38 | abakis | :) |
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| 07:27.40 | simonrvn | no to dumbAOLspeak yes |
| 07:27.41 | Phated | abakis: Kinda new to the English language are we? |
| 07:27.43 | lazybone | Anybody has any idea to install cloop 2.01 ? |
| 07:27.56 | mhall | OMGWTFBBQ my IRC service is completely whack |
| 07:27.59 | abakis | nah im an accro guy :) |
| 07:28.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:28.14 | mhall | it keeps lagging out with no detectable error |
| 07:28.15 | Guerin | that moronspeak link is fucked |
| 07:28.17 | Phated | Would anyone like to define an "accro guy" for some good karma? |
| 07:28.27 | Guerin | !literal moronspeak |
| 07:28.27 | dpkg | moronspeak is <reply> FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720 || adding -ies -ramaany other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 07:28.42 | Guerin | !factinfo moronspeak |
| 07:28.42 | dpkg | moronspeak -- last modified at Sun Sep 12 12:37:53 2004 by Guerin!~magpie@222.114.104.206; it has been requested once, last by Guerin, 1m 5s ago. |
| 07:28.46 | abakis | in cisco you learn to use as little letters and vovels as possible |
| 07:28.52 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:28.52 | lazybone | !cloop |
| 07:28.52 | dpkg | cloop is probably a kernel module for a compressed looback drive |
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| 07:29.35 | Phated | abakis: And apparently to not use a dictionary at all. |
| 07:29.42 | abakis | of course not |
| 07:29.44 | abakis | :) |
| 07:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'm going to guess "accro guy" == fucktard |
| 07:29.46 | SlayerXP | Phated: it's ancient arabic meaning "THE INTERWEB HAS MADE ME LITRATE!!!!" |
| 07:29.57 | gordonjcp | abakis: cisco is shite, though |
| 07:29.57 | Phated | !scarynetworkguy++ |
| 07:30.02 | abakis | what?!?!!? |
| 07:30.04 | abakis | lmao |
| 07:30.05 | Phated | !SlayerXP ++ |
| 07:30.06 | scarynetworkguy | YAY!! |
| 07:30.07 | Phated | !SlayerXP++ |
| 07:30.08 | Guerin | dpkg, no, moronspeak is <reply> FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 07:30.08 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:30.14 | mhall | I despise the way people shorten IOS commands in my Cisco class. It's _SO_ confusing. Who the hell can ever remember what conf t and no ip sh mean? |
| 07:30.14 | Guerin | that's better |
| 07:30.16 | abakis | yeah..cisco means no money making..... |
| 07:30.28 | adar | jm_: not sure if you're here, but you asked me to ask you for your hotplug script today |
| 07:30.29 | abakis | are you serious? |
| 07:30.33 | SlayerXP | mhall: sw ac vl 7 |
| 07:30.33 | abakis | cisco is easy |
| 07:30.35 | MerlinCorey_ | !sms-over-irc |
| 07:30.35 | dpkg | i guess sms-over-irc is This is IRC, you do not need to use SMS moronspeak here. Type 'wait' not 'w8', type 'later' not 'l8r', type 'you' not 'u'. Now pack it in, okay? |
| 07:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: You a Cisco guy? |
| 07:30.48 | abakis | aye aye |
| 07:30.51 | mhall | SlayerXP: something... vlan 7 |
| 07:30.52 | abakis | lvl 4 :) |
| 07:31.12 | abakis | used to be able to crash old cisco http headers when they were enabled |
| 07:31.18 | mhall | SlayerXP: i'm very interested in network security but i prefer software firewalls |
| 07:31.25 | abakis | hey...i go where the loot is |
| 07:31.37 | mhall | SlayerXP: the thing i have noticed is, PIXen are incredibly overused and overpriced |
| 07:31.41 | abakis | network security is where the cha ching is |
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| 07:31.49 | mhall | SlayerXP: rarely do i see that people who have them need them |
| 07:31.56 | mhall | SlayerXP: like my dumbass university |
| 07:31.59 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: and so as a cisco person WTF would you know about security? |
| 07:32.33 | abakis | well...for starters...would know that you damn well have better of upgraded your old ios from a year ago do to ipv4 packet flooding |
| 07:32.45 | scarynetworkguy | Cisco guys are to networking guys as Gentoo people are to people who know Unix |
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| 07:32.52 | abakis | would make routers go to auto shutdown |
| 07:33.09 | abakis | then default back to...gasp...anon log ins |
| 07:33.10 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: you're making my point |
| 07:33.22 | abakis | well..still great pieces of equipment |
| 07:33.31 | abakis | can do anything with a 2700 :-P |
| 07:33.42 | Phated | "Had better have". Not "had better of". |
| 07:33.49 | abakis | andf please tell me what you prefer...avaya?! lmao |
| 07:33.53 | mick_laptop | can someone tell me if you can convert a package that was created for x86 to PPC (i doubt it but i figured it would be worth it to ask) |
| 07:34.15 | Guerin | mick_laptop: sure. You get the source and recompile |
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| 07:34.26 | Guerin | mick_laptop: that's what free software is all about! |
| 07:34.27 | mhall | good God my IRC service is screwed |
| 07:34.32 | abakis | well yeah you can...but i belive you have to run a program over virtual dos...kinda dumb lol |
| 07:34.37 | mhall | SlayerXP but yeah, those damn PIXen piss me off |
| 07:34.39 | mick_laptop | since the flashplayer only comes for x86 (macromedia was a bitch and they didn't compile one for PPC) |
| 07:34.46 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: you work for the TAC? |
| 07:34.52 | mhall | mick_laptop yeah they are dumb like that |
| 07:34.55 | mhall | mick_laptop argh |
| 07:34.56 | abakis | exscuse me? |
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| 07:35.10 | mhall | mick_laptop screws me over on my imac |
| 07:35.10 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: you work for Cisco? |
| 07:35.14 | Guerin | mick_laptop: flashplayer is shite and a woft anyhow. |
| 07:35.16 | abakis | hey i just came for the mana |
| 07:35.18 | mhall | mick_laptop can't access fancier websites |
| 07:35.29 | mick_laptop | woft? |
| 07:35.29 | mhall | abakis this isn't magic the gathering ;-) |
| 07:35.31 | Phated | Oh, god, we have a dork in the house. |
| 07:35.41 | SlayerXP | mhall: SWitchport ACces VLan 7 |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | Phated: yeah, that's unusual. |
| 07:35.45 | cartman | heh x86 flash player is crap too |
| 07:35.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah his grammar is about what I would expect from talking to cisco types |
| 07:35.50 | mhall | SlayerXP gah |
| 07:35.55 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: I concur... |
| 07:36.01 | mhall | SlayerXP /me shudders. |
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| 07:36.09 | jm_ | mick_laptop: there's an open source player out there |
| 07:36.09 | abakis | and what kind of networking equpipmeent do you use exactly? |
| 07:36.10 | gordonjcp | Cisco engineers are all utter cretins |
| 07:36.11 | mick_laptop | ya, i don't like flash to begin with, but sometimes you need it |
| 07:36.12 | Phated | Guerin: No, usually I call them nerds. |
| 07:36.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh... |
| 07:36.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah bunch of tards :D |
| 07:36.30 | mick_laptop | jm_: ya? |
| 07:36.46 | mick_laptop | i doubt it work though to be honest w/ you |
| 07:36.49 | smagy | hello folks can some recommend/comment on this, does it make sense to replace NIS with kerberos+ldap on private network connected to a machine that acts as the gateway ? |
| 07:36.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. |
| 07:36.54 | mick_laptop | that shit is huge (flash) |
| 07:36.59 | jm_ | mick_laptop: try libflash-mozplugin |
| 07:36.59 | abakis | you get your routers from the dollar store? |
| 07:37.11 | jm_ | mick_laptop: or libflash-swfplayer |
| 07:37.23 | mick_laptop | jm_: i don't need it now, i just got flashplayer-mozilla |
| 07:37.25 | Phated | mick_laptop: You can grab them off the Macromedia page, work pretty good with Mox and FF. |
| 07:37.32 | mhall | jm_ could it be a 386 only thing? |
| 07:37.35 | mick_laptop | yup |
| 07:37.44 | jm_ | mhall: no, it's based on GPL'd library |
| 07:37.56 | mick_laptop | i haven't had problems w/ it under Debian or OSX |
| 07:37.56 | mhall | jm_ ah, somebody reversed it |
| 07:38.01 | mhall | jm_ that's deluxe |
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| 07:38.15 | emptied | Dumb question... If only one CPU is showing in top output my SMP stuff is not working right? Is there some way to check for certain? |
| 07:38.34 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: whateve works. Yeah Cisco IP routers are not bad. The problem is that people who only know Cisco and only know IP. Their "security" products are a crime against humanity. And yeah there are a lot of routers that are just as good if not better. If it was my choice we would be an all Vanguard shop |
| 07:38.35 | mhall | emptied on my smp sparc top says CPU(s) |
| 07:38.48 | mhall | emptied but try dmesg | grep SMP |
| 07:39.05 | jm_ | emptied: you might also need a new version of top (such as the one in Sarge) |
| 07:39.10 | jm_ | emptied: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:39.27 | abakis | i do agree there are flawas with cisco products...but what do you expect from such hard core technology? |
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| 07:39.54 | abakis | and actually cisco has just come out with there new security program they are working on |
| 07:39.56 | jm_ | yeah, like hard core porn |
| 07:40.05 | emptied | mhall: so "found SMP MP-table at (some hex)" means SMP is happy? |
| 07:40.08 | gordonjcp | abakis: I expect *no* flaws from that kind of technology |
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| 07:40.13 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: thanks for making my point :D |
| 07:40.15 | abakis | i think they have and will do alot better |
| 07:40.16 | gordonjcp | I expect 100% uptime |
| 07:40.21 | ElNooboStupido | what advantages does debian have over fedora? |
| 07:40.22 | abakis | too shea |
| 07:40.25 | gordonjcp | not 99.9%, not 99.99% and not even 99.999% |
| 07:40.31 | emptied | jm_: You are the man, I see 0 and 1 in there |
| 07:40.40 | abakis | well for starters...they dont sell deb in borders :-P |
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| 07:40.56 | scarynetworkguy | abakis: it would be hard to do worse |
| 07:40.58 | emptied | ElNooboStupido: It is not based on RedHat |
| 07:41.06 | gordonjcp | abakis: I expect that if I throw out that kind of money on networking kit, it should work perfectly all the time |
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| 07:41.26 | mhall | hmm i think i lagged out again |
| 07:41.26 | mhall | anybody there |
| 07:41.43 | abakis | well again..i have yet to test anything else as superior...and also..if you TRULY know what your doing with cisco equipment..then they are fin |
| 07:41.54 | abakis | only porb is...they are to difficult to know everything |
| 07:41.57 | scarynetworkguy | gordonjcp: and that it would come with some tools built in and that it would use standard terms in configs |
| 07:41.59 | abakis | so there are holes left open |
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| 07:42.14 | abakis | i like the cmd line in cisco ios's |
| 07:42.19 | Zap-W | i just created a new reiser4 FS , and i can't mount it with mount -t reiserfs |
| 07:42.24 | Zap-W | what's the name of the fs to use |
| 07:42.28 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: that was foolish |
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| 07:42.42 | Zap-W | i have debian patched kernel 2.6.8 |
| 07:42.49 | mhall | christ this is annoying |
| 07:42.55 | ElNooboStupido | ok but performance-wise - is there a big difference between debianand fedora core two if both have kernel 2.6.8 |
| 07:43.00 | mhall | OMGWTFBBQ, irc is screwing up _so_ much |
| 07:43.09 | mhall | ElNooboStupido how fast is your machine? |
| 07:43.12 | abakis | no just the embarrasment of using fedora |
| 07:43.13 | Zap-W | SlayerXP: ... |
| 07:43.17 | evl | Hi, I just brought my production box up with replaced hardware from a crash but Debian installed PostgreSQL 7.4 instead of 7.3, how can I install PostgreSQL 7.3? |
| 07:43.19 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite abakis |
| 07:43.24 | ElNooboStupido | it is an atlon xp barton 2500+ |
| 07:43.27 | jm_ | Zap-W: ever heard of /proc/filesystems ? |
| 07:43.28 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: it's too early for morse code. |
| 07:43.44 | mhall | ElNooboStupido that machine is so entirely fast you would never be able to tell any appreciable difference |
| 07:43.53 | mhall | ElNooboStupido just use what you like and forget about it |
| 07:43.55 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: yes, exactly |
| 07:44.05 | ElNooboStupido | kewl - I appreciate your honesty |
| 07:44.11 | mhall | ElNooboStupido i have a multiclock laptop, 500-1700 mHz |
| 07:44.18 | Zap-W | jm_: no but i did hear of /proc/partitions , that lists all FS this kernel supports? |
| 07:44.20 | ElNooboStupido | what ht hell? |
| 07:44.29 | SlayerXP | mhall: will compiling for k7 rather than i686 make kminesweeper run faster on my dual opteron 242???????????? |
| 07:44.29 | mhall | ElNooboStupido and unless compiling or using videos, i use 500 mHz |
| 07:44.31 | jm_ | Zap-W: ignore that, look in /proc/filesystems |
| 07:44.32 | Zap-W | reiserfs , no reiser4 |
| 07:44.35 | ElNooboStupido | you mean one of the new laptop chips with cpu scaling? |
| 07:44.41 | mhall | ElNooboStupido X and everything else works with basically no delay |
| 07:44.45 | Zap-W | why |
| 07:44.46 | mhall | ElNooboStupido AthXP-M |
| 07:44.46 | ElNooboStupido | like the "centrino" or the athlon mobile? |
| 07:44.49 | Zap-W | hm |
| 07:44.59 | ElNooboStupido | Yeha I absolutely LOVE my amd chip |
| 07:45.09 | mhall | ElNooboStupido even at 500 mHz it's perfectly speedy |
| 07:45.16 | abakis | don't ever drink grey goose and mountain dew :( |
| 07:45.25 | ElNooboStupido | yeah mine is good at 1.83 |
| 07:45.27 | mhall | ElNooboStupido i'm at 1700 right now because i'm compiling my video driver up for my fresh kernel |
| 07:45.28 | Zap-W | so what is all this fuzz about new block layout in reiser4progs |
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| 07:45.42 | |XO2| | what language are most linux programs written in? |
| 07:45.47 | mhall | abakis what happened when you drank this? |
| 07:45.48 | abakis | c |
| 07:45.50 | Phated | C, I think. |
| 07:45.58 | abakis | just finished last galss |
| 07:45.59 | mhall | abakis you began typing like you're typing now? lol |
| 07:46.01 | abakis | :) |
| 07:46.02 | ElNooboStupido | I really dont understand how AMD does their clock speed rating stuff - but I will say on most things my AMD system will keep up with my p42.6HT |
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| 07:46.17 | |XO2| | are ther any specific books to read for programming in C for linux? |
| 07:46.27 | abakis | sure |
| 07:46.28 | mhall | ElNooboStupido well, benchmarks are BS |
| 07:46.31 | abakis | but reading is boring |
| 07:46.33 | Zap-W | so the debian 2.6.8 source dosen't have support for reiser4 ? |
| 07:46.39 | SlayerXP | ElNooboStupido: what is there not to understand? AMD chips has typically lower clock speeds that intel chips |
| 07:46.51 | mhall | ElNooboStupido if you have a 2 gHz machine, it will be ridiculously insanely fast no matter who made it |
| 07:46.55 | Phated | abakis: You're on IRC. 'Nuff said. |
| 07:46.58 | SlayerXP | the problem is that idiots assume that a 1.6Ghz chip will be slower than a 3ghz chip |
| 07:46.59 | Phated | |XO2|: Sure there is. |
| 07:47.08 | mhall | ElNooboStupido it's more of a question of how much riduculous speed you have |
| 07:47.12 | abakis | this reading is better than paper |
| 07:47.24 | ElNooboStupido | well if it went by regular clock speed, my barton kicks the crap out of my dads p4 1.8 |
| 07:47.24 | abakis | but yeah..thought i would hit up the irc boards |
| 07:47.26 | mhall | ElNooboStupido my desktop is an ancient 3-year-old AthXP 1800 |
| 07:47.27 | |XO2| | can someone give me example of good books on programming in linux? |
| 07:47.31 | TML | Anyone heard one way or the other about Linux on nforce3? |
| 07:47.32 | SlayerXP | so, my dual 1.6ghz opteron system will be half the speed of a p4 ht chip running at 3.2ghz |
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| 07:47.50 | ElNooboStupido | yeha my ex gf had an athlon xp1800 - I couldnt believe how nicely it ran |
| 07:48.04 | Phated | SlayerXP: What's funny, yo? |
| 07:48.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah and you don't have to read to learn complex things like say TCP/IP at all either |
| 07:48.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, my. :) |
| 07:48.22 | bob2 | |XO2|: The C Programming Language by k&r |
| 07:48.28 | mhall | ElNooboStupido if you just do regular stuff, you know, watch pr0n, write algorithms, steal copyrighted material, etc, you never know the difference |
| 07:48.38 | bob2 | Zap-W: of course not, since it's a) alpha, and b) not in kernel.org kernels |
| 07:48.38 | mhall | ElNooboStupido maybe if you play mad crazy games or something |
| 07:48.43 | mhall | ElNooboStupido otherwise, nah |
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| 07:48.53 | abakis | ok out here like a bald man |
| 07:48.57 | TML | |XO2|: Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment, W. Richard Stevens |
| 07:49.03 | ElNooboStupido | mhall I do routing with packet mangling and qos and all that happy horse manure |
| 07:49.08 | mick_laptop | good book |
| 07:49.10 | mhall | |XO2| the best linux reference i know about is called Safari |
| 07:49.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah of course this hate of reading would explain a lot of things |
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| 07:49.22 | |XO2| | thanks guys |
| 07:49.23 | ElNooboStupido | I prioritize my network for my voip box |
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| 07:49.29 | mick_laptop | mhall: i did a review on it a while ago |
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| 07:49.34 | mhall | ElNooboStupido a 486 can do that, most of the time |
| 07:49.35 | mick_laptop | i didn't like it |
| 07:49.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: The lack of grammar, the horrific spelling, the inability to fabricate complete sentences? |
| 07:49.37 | TML | |XO2|: Or just pick a project you find interesting and dissect their code. |
| 07:49.50 | mhall | |XO2| safari is an online subscription service from O'Reilly |
| 07:49.51 | SlayerXP | Phated: I was quite recently told that my dual opteron was slower than a single p4 HT chip. |
| 07:49.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: pretty much par for the course, yes |
| 07:50.00 | Zap-W | bob2: then what is all this warning and fuzz in the config dialogs when i updated reiserprogs |
| 07:50.03 | mhall | |XO2| you get the text of all their books |
| 07:50.04 | Phated | SlayerXP: Oh? |
| 07:50.07 | Phated | SlayerXP: :) |
| 07:50.10 | SlayerXP | Phated: half the clock speed you see, and HT is like having two processors |
| 07:50.12 | Phated | Damn TAB. |
| 07:50.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh. |
| 07:50.15 | bob2 | Zap-W: no idea, but it has nothing to do with reiser4 |
| 07:50.18 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:50.19 | mhall | SlayerXP heh, that's dumb |
| 07:50.23 | TML | SlayerXP: err |
| 07:50.26 | scarynetworkguy | SlayerXP: you have to be shitting me? |
| 07:50.27 | TML | SlayerXP: No...not REALLY |
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| 07:50.39 | TML | Gnea: bonnie++ |
| 07:50.39 | Phated | SlayerXP: I thought a dual was almost always faster than a single chip. |
| 07:50.44 | Gnea | currently doing a touch yada && cat /dev/urandom >> yada |
| 07:50.45 | Phated | Gnea: Got a rubber mallet? |
| 07:50.45 | jm_ | Gnea: smartsuite has some switchess |
| 07:50.52 | ElNooboStupido | yeah well its a web server, file server, game server, and that kindo of good stuff too - plus I actually use gnome on it when im rendering video in the winders box |
| 07:50.52 | SlayerXP | Phated: depends |
| 07:50.59 | jm_ | you have a short test and a long test switch or somesuch |
| 07:50.59 | Phated | SlayerXP: I guess. :) |
| 07:51.00 | Gnea | Phated: heh |
| 07:51.05 | Zap-W | they xfs is also fast.. |
| 07:51.06 | Phated | Gnea: :D |
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| 07:51.19 | Gnea | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1321394176 Sep 22 03:51 yada |
| 07:51.22 | scarynetworkguy | the point being that hyperthreading is *not* the same as SMP not by a long shot |
| 07:51.23 | TML | Personally, I've not found HT to be nearly as successful as SMP |
| 07:51.33 | Gnea | i've got 2 of those processes running concurrently actually |
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| 07:52.17 | enon | [OT] hi there how do I know which web server a site is using? |
| 07:52.27 | LoneWlf | it occurs to me that any stress test you might put a HD to, would shorten it's life considerably, and that you would want to merely have the drives in a hot plug environment and raided so that when they do fail, because they will eventually anyway, you don't loose data, or encur downtime, of course that's pie in the sky... yadada yadada |
| 07:52.28 | TML | enon: www.netcraft.com |
| 07:52.35 | TML | enon: Or just look at the HTTP headers |
| 07:52.38 | jm_ | enon: issue a HEAD request or use chkwww |
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| 07:53.09 | Gnea | LoneWlf: this is an IBM hard drive. you gonna tell me it's gonna make a really big difference? :) |
| 07:53.10 | ElNooboStupido | you I will give debian this - the gui apps pop up a hell of a lot faster in gnome than they do on fedora |
| 07:53.21 | ElNooboStupido | it almost feels like freebsd |
| 07:53.43 | yo | hi |
| 07:53.52 | LoneWlf | Gnea : if you're looking to fail the drive prematurely, you'd have to use up a 1/3 of it's life cycle for any kinda of _real_ test... so... yes... |
| 07:53.56 | bob2 | anyone happen to know how to remove a constraint from an existing postgres table? |
| 07:54.08 | yo | what directions should I put if i want to use the sarge repository? |
| 07:54.10 | enon | TML, jm_ thankz |
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| 07:54.32 | bob2 | yo: run apt-setup |
| 07:54.53 | Gnea | LoneWlf: well the point of stress testing it is to a) make sure the drive itself isn't faulty b) i'm gonna rip the board off of it and use it in an attempt to recover data off of an identical drive. c) so it's probably gonna be toast anyway. |
| 07:54.57 | yo | ok |
| 07:55.12 | evl | How can I install Postgresql 7.3 on sarge (which installs 7.4 now) |
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| 07:55.34 | Gnea | LoneWlf: oh, and d) it beats the living hell out of pounding out a grand for data recovery. |
| 07:55.48 | bob2 | evl: why? |
| 07:55.53 | Predator`on | does anyone know, when sarge will be released? |
| 07:55.53 | LoneWlf | Gnea : good enough |
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| 07:56.47 | bob2 | Predator`on: no, nobody does. |
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| 07:57.31 | Predator`on | bob2: i hoped to get it within september, because at october i go for school and then i will have les time :( |
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| 07:58.01 | bob2 | Predator`on: it's not going to change much from here on in |
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| 07:59.08 | Predator`on | bob2: you think, i should install sarge now and use that till it's official stable? |
| 07:59.50 | Zap-W | what's the name of the defrag utility for reiserfs? |
| 08:00.07 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: troll elsewhere |
| 08:00.18 | mhall | LoneWlf fair warning, RAID doesn't help when the power supply blows the disks out |
| 08:00.29 | mhall | LoneWlf need to do DVD backup or tape backup too |
| 08:00.37 | bob2 | Predator`on: if you want |
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| 08:01.28 | tarzeau | apt read my ds |
| 08:01.28 | Predator`on | or other question: is debian sid usable/stable enough to use it on a notebook for working? |
| 08:01.29 | tarzeau | a |
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| 08:01.37 | tarzeau | Predator`on: sure |
| 08:01.41 | Slartibartfast | Hi, Im trying to compile the 2.6.7 kernel (unpatched(I couldnt figure out how to patch)) and im having trouble with the "make xconfig/make menuconfig" step. I belive the problem may reside in me not having the tcl/tk utilities, although im not sure. Im relativly new to linux and dont know what to check if i have these, i am getting a long list of errors when i attempt this. Can anyone help me? |
| 08:01.43 | tarzeau | Predator`on: i386? powerpc? sparc? |
| 08:01.44 | mhall | Zap-W you do not need to defrag UN*X filesystems |
| 08:01.55 | bob2 | yes you do |
| 08:01.58 | tarzeau | no |
| 08:01.59 | bob2 | but not as much as windows |
| 08:02.06 | Zap-W | mhall: what tool do you use for moving data to the beginning of the drive |
| 08:02.06 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:02.15 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 08:02.16 | mhall | Zap-W well here is the trick |
| 08:02.20 | Gnea | the manpage for bonnie++ isn't very good at explaining proper usage... |
| 08:02.20 | bob2 | and then menuconfig will work |
| 08:02.22 | tarzeau | need to=must, no i don't must defrag any of my filesystems. why do i? |
| 08:02.32 | Predator`on | tarzeau: i386 |
| 08:02.40 | mhall | Zap-W spreading it out along the drive prevents fragging |
| 08:02.43 | Zap-W | there was a huge 3gb file before i copyed back the fS , i deleted this file now i want to move everything to the start... |
| 08:02.53 | Gnea | TML: how do i use this? just mount it somewhere, cd to the mountpoint and run it with some options? |
| 08:02.56 | mhall | Zap-W and compacting everything to the front makes it frag more |
| 08:02.56 | tarzeau | Zap-W: why? no you don't want to |
| 08:03.06 | mhall | Zap-W if you leave it alone it will take care of itself |
| 08:03.14 | mhall | Zap-W it's ingeniously well implemented |
| 08:03.32 | Zap-W | does it work like that with all filesystems? |
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| 08:04.21 | mhall | Zap-W well for the most part yes |
| 08:04.22 | Slartibartfast | bob2: thank you i am currently apt-getting those utilities |
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| 08:04.44 | mhall | Zap-W UN*X filesystems are designed to avoid causing you problems for no reason |
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| 08:04.50 | MerlinCorey_ | !win merlincorey |
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| 08:05.05 | intero | hello. how can i stop a printer that doesnt seem to stop printing? if i visit localhost:631 it says no running jobs. |
| 08:05.13 | mhall | Zap-W and on a multiuser system like UNIX, having to defrag and other such crap is considered an unnecessary problem worth avoiding causing |
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| 08:05.19 | yo | ok bob2 so, i have installed a prebuild woody debian distribution and now i want to update some packages that aren't up to date in the repository i selected, what should i do? |
| 08:05.22 | Gnea | intero: kill the power. |
| 08:05.38 | intero | Gnea: ? you mean turn off the printer? |
| 08:05.44 | Zap-W | mhall: makes sense |
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| 08:05.52 | bob2 | yo: "use testing" |
| 08:05.58 | Gnea | intero: no, run to your car and turn off the lights.. yes, turn off the power |
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| 08:06.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:06.09 | mhall | Zap-W how many? 42? |
| 08:06.22 | Zap-W | how many what? |
| 08:06.22 | intero | Gnea: i tired already and it didnt help |
| 08:06.46 | mhall | Zap-W how many cents does it make? |
| 08:06.50 | mhall | Zap-W ;-) |
| 08:07.08 | yo | bob2 i prefer sarge more than sid |
| 08:07.10 | Gnea | intero: i was being half-sarcastic - what kind of printer is it? it should stop printing when it's turned off and cups is stopped. |
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| 08:07.55 | intero | Gnea: but when i turn it on again, it keeps printing. epson c80 |
| 08:08.14 | Gnea | intero: how long do you leave it off? |
| 08:08.20 | bob2 | yo: that's nice, testing = sarge |
| 08:08.23 | intero | probably all night, Gnea |
| 08:08.30 | Gnea | intero: and have you actually unplugged it from the wall? |
| 08:08.34 | flavius | intero: plug the power cable out, wait 30sec then plug it in |
| 08:08.51 | yo | bob2 ouch, thanks and sorry for this noobs questions |
| 08:08.58 | intero | flavius: ok, will try |
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| 08:09.17 | intero | Gnea: will try this way. i didnt touch the cable, just the power button |
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| 08:09.58 | peterrooney | yo: iirc, apt-setup allows you to select alternative repositories. |
| 08:10.05 | Gnea | intero: give it a go - sometimes printers don't 'forget' until the entire machine is isolated |
| 08:10.43 | VivekVC | I have used the apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 and the download is complete |
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| 08:10.48 | VivekVC | How do i proceed now? |
| 08:10.52 | yo | ok, i got it but i didn't knew how to select the correct repository for my distribution, thanks |
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| 08:11.43 | nuix | i cannot connect to www.berkeley.edu, who knows the reason? |
| 08:12.05 | nuix | who can . pls tell me |
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| 08:12.12 | SlayerXP | !tell nuix about vagueness |
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| 08:12.45 | VivekVC | This is a Debian GNU/Linux help channel nuix.... |
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| 08:12.49 | SlayerXP | nuix: send an email to webmaster@berkeley.edu and complain |
| 08:12.57 | Gnea | Connected to arachne.Berkeley.EDU. |
| 08:12.57 | Gnea | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 08:13.06 | intero | Gnea: yes now that you told me i remember my printer works this way too. i'll tell this friend about it. thanks again. i installed sid to him yesterday, he has got a brand new amd64 ;) |
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| 08:13.21 | Gnea | intero: nice |
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| 08:13.55 | Gnea | nuix: the route between you and there is not complete |
| 08:14.06 | mhall | intero i have had trouble with epsons not forgetting the job |
| 08:14.16 | intero | mhall: oh. did you ever solve? |
| 08:14.22 | mhall | intero i have had to pull the wall plug a few times to shut it up |
| 08:14.32 | mhall | intero i think it's just a fact of life |
| 08:14.45 | intero | mhall: alright. thanks. good to know theres a way out at least ;) |
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| 08:14.47 | mhall | intero but they print great output and the price is good, so i can't complain |
| 08:14.53 | nuix | i suspect my ip address is sealed off |
| 08:14.54 | ElNooboStupido | why dont I automatically make an inird when I make my new kernel |
| 08:15.00 | emptied | SlayerXP: I have the USCB webmaster on line 3... He sounds pretty mad. |
| 08:15.03 | intero | mhall: fair enough :) |
| 08:15.04 | Gnea | nuix: can you traceroute to it? |
| 08:15.10 | mhall | intero especially with my void-the-warranty cutrate cartridges from the orient |
| 08:15.21 | nuix | Gnea: i 'll have a try |
| 08:15.38 | LoneWlf | let me ask a newbie question... how do I make sure that all of the settings I just painstakingly put into X, stay put on my user profile? |
| 08:15.39 | mhall | intero but odd thing is, i thought if you took oriental stuff out of the orient, it would get disoriented |
| 08:15.53 | mhall | LoneWlf depends on the sort of settings you mean |
| 08:15.58 | mhall | LoneWlf like, stuff in KDE? |
| 08:15.59 | Gnea | LoneWlf: what settings? |
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| 08:16.15 | LoneWlf | mhall: using gnome, I'm talking panels & backgrounds |
| 08:16.20 | intero | mhall: nope, i dont guess they are from far away |
| 08:16.23 | Gnea | oh that's not X |
| 08:16.23 | intero | brb |
| 08:16.23 | adar | jm_: you asked me to message you about the hotplug script today |
| 08:16.25 | Gnea | that's gnome :) |
| 08:16.32 | LoneWlf | Gnea : right, good poitn |
| 08:16.37 | LoneWlf | er.. point even |
| 08:16.42 | Gnea | LoneWlf: logout and login again |
| 08:16.43 | mhall | LoneWlf alright, in your home dir, do ls -a and find the . directories that are gnome-related |
| 08:16.51 | Gnea | if it's the way you left it then it works |
| 08:16.56 | mhall | LoneWlf back them up with tar in case something corrupts |
| 08:17.06 | Gnea | that too |
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| 08:17.19 | mhall | LoneWlf tar cvf filename.tar dirnames... |
| 08:17.41 | mhall | LoneWlf that is what i do because sometimes i do dumb stuff and kill my config files |
| 08:17.54 | mhall | LoneWlf the life of a semi-competent UNIX admin |
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| 08:18.07 | mhall | all over my machines are backup config files with .mhall on the end |
| 08:18.23 | mhall | and any scary edits i make, i flag with # mhall or /* mhall */ |
| 08:18.31 | mhall | lol |
| 08:18.36 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:18.42 | mhall | better than breaking things permanently |
| 08:18.54 | SlayerXP | mhall: i hope you don't do that in bind config files |
| 08:18.58 | LoneWlf | mhall : ditto, and thanks for the pointers at 3am, done and done and done, I now have /homdir/files/backup/gnomesettings.tar.gz containing all files that are in .gnome2 and .gnome and the associated "_private" dirs |
| 08:19.14 | mhall | Gnea but it would be amusing for whomever inherits the stuff i have worked on |
| 08:19.29 | Gnea | mhall: indeed |
| 08:19.32 | mhall | LoneWlf get in the habit of backing stuff up |
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| 08:19.46 | mhall | LoneWlf i have always been able to save my own ass that way |
| 08:19.55 | mhall | LoneWlf that's the single best piece of advice i can give you |
| 08:20.19 | mhall | i burn lots of CDs all the time |
| 08:20.20 | LoneWlf | mhall : I am, when I work on work stuff. this is my machine at home, and I'm not in work mode any longer, and never have been good about cross-associating the two modes of thought, at least not recently |
| 08:20.37 | LoneWlf | mhall : if you're good about burning CDs... that's leap years ahead of me... |
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| 08:20.45 | LoneWlf | mhall : scary thoughts |
| 08:20.48 | mhall | LoneWlf yeah but think how much of a time waster it is when it gets damaged |
| 08:21.02 | mhall | LoneWlf i made two cool shell scripts to automate cd burning |
| 08:21.02 | Slartibartfast | Ok I have another question, I have installed the two suggested packages, but it appears i still need the qt package does anyone know the package name for that one? |
| 08:21.08 | mhall | LoneWlf i can send em to you |
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| 08:21.16 | saintiss | hi |
| 08:21.25 | LoneWlf | mhall : again, I know when I think work... and I should when I think home... but I haven't even thought about _my_ time in recent memory |
| 08:21.39 | LoneWlf | mhall : I'd be interested to see them |
| 08:21.47 | saintiss | looking at the Xsession related files, I don't think the /usr/share/xsessions dir is actually being used... or is it? |
| 08:21.54 | LoneWlf | mhall : but you'd have to remind me how to accept dccs on bitchx |
| 08:22.04 | jm_ | saintiss: it might be used by gdm or kdm or some other crap like that |
| 08:22.05 | mhall | LoneWlf i will post em on my website |
| 08:22.12 | LoneWlf | mhall : better and better |
| 08:22.13 | mhall | LoneWlf dcc doesn't work for me cause of FW |
| 08:22.26 | LoneWlf | mhall : ah, yes, beautiful firewalls |
| 08:22.30 | LoneWlf | good firewalls |
| 08:22.32 | mhall | LoneWlf yeah, yecch |
| 08:22.41 | Zap-W | forward some ports |
| 08:22.44 | LoneWlf | firewalls increase our own laziness |
| 08:23.12 | LoneWlf | they make it so that we don't think we're vulnerable even though we don't lock down a machine... |
| 08:23.19 | Slartibartfast | they are like condoms for windows |
| 08:23.21 | LoneWlf | something I am avidly trying to undo at the moment |
| 08:23.23 | LoneWlf | ARGHS |
| 08:23.36 | LoneWlf | hehehe |
| 08:23.43 | Zap-W | lol , that's a good metaphora , |
| 08:23.46 | saintiss | jm_: right, possible indeed... |
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| 08:23.51 | Zap-W | how do you spell that |
| 08:23.56 | Slartibartfast | met4 |
| 08:24.10 | Slartibartfast | metaphore |
| 08:24.15 | mhall | Zap-W it's not my firewall |
| 08:24.24 | bob2 | metaphor. |
| 08:24.27 | Zap-W | it would be funny to tell a customer that asks what is a firewall , and you say , "it's like a condom for windows" |
| 08:24.28 | mhall | LoneWlf www.mhcomputing.net/burnscripts.tbz2 |
| 08:24.29 | Slartibartfast | lol |
| 08:24.30 | bob2 | good god. |
| 08:24.32 | LoneWlf | yeah... except when someone bypasses the firewall, nowadays, if they compromise something behind your firewall... a windows box for instance... that got infected with a virus that gives access... through port80... or some such other evilness... gawd... oh gawd, d4 p4!n |
| 08:24.44 | LoneWlf | it's worse than any std... |
| 08:24.58 | mhall | LoneWlf rip and burn-raw are for foolproof copying of discs you have already |
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| 08:25.09 | LoneWlf | firewalls have given admins the excuse not to propagate any valid anti-bodies... so to speak |
| 08:25.16 | mhall | LoneWlf burn and makeiso let you burn simple ISOs from makeiso |
| 08:25.29 | mhall | LoneWlf they have all of the command line options you need for it to work right |
| 08:25.31 | Slartibartfast | bob2: can you tell me what the package name for the QT development package is? |
| 08:25.50 | mhall | LoneWlf just change around the cdrom device to the right thing, and you are pretty much ready to go |
| 08:26.17 | Gnea | perhaps i should just repartition this new drive and use it rather than swapping the boards out... |
| 08:26.17 | LoneWlf | mhall : cool, now all I have to do is install a CDR/RW into my linux box again |
| 08:26.36 | LoneWlf | mhall : and then donate the time to burn off some 80 GB of crap |
| 08:26.37 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: yes, and so could you if you read the FAQ |
| 08:26.41 | bob2 | hint: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 08:26.46 | mhall | LoneWlf like for the makeiso script, you do makeiso foo.iso files_and_dirs |
| 08:26.46 | LoneWlf | mhall : something I have been not relishing for over a year |
| 08:26.47 | thyhorror | question - anyone here have an idea why i can't upload my images BACK to the camera using gtkam? or what i should be looking at |
| 08:27.04 | mhall | LoneWlf you can make all of the ISOs you want with makeiso and then put them on another machine |
| 08:27.15 | Gnea | i think i'll do that and hang onto the dead drive - then when i get some 100+gig firewire/sata/usb drives i'll recover the data then |
| 08:27.20 | mhall | LoneWlf that's what i do if i want to burn several discs at once |
| 08:27.39 | Slartibartfast | bob2: where is this FAQ of which you speak? |
| 08:27.50 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: the one that's not the first thing in the topic |
| 08:27.54 | mhall | LoneWlf also if you have that many GBs a DVD drive might be in order |
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| 08:28.05 | mhall | LoneWlf 4.2 GB per layer, goes a bit quicker and easier |
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| 08:28.46 | mhall | how much faster is openoffice with prelinking enabled? |
| 08:29.30 | SlayerXP | mhall: this much <----------> |
| 08:29.31 | LoneWlf | mhall : yeah, a DVD drive I have, but I'll need to slap a CDR/RW into my windows box so I have _something_ ... |
| 08:29.32 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
| 08:29.49 | mhall | !bitchslap SlayerXP |
| 08:29.53 | Slartibartfast | bob2: oh sorry, I have read through that faq, although not in the past hour I am currently using http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html and searching the debian package site. Thanks dude ill open that one up too |
| 08:29.57 | mhall | SlayerXP WNBT |
| 08:30.23 | LoneWlf | mhall : old proverb, "while other peoples messes are messier, they're always easier to deal with than you're own, and you always come out smelling like a rose" |
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| 08:30.50 | mhall | LoneWlf hmm, food for thought |
| 08:30.54 | SlayerXP | WNBT? |
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| 08:31.11 | mhall | !tell SlayerXP about WNBT |
| 08:31.12 | emptied | LoneWlf: Security is layered. Firewalls are a layer but I agree many think they are the be-all end-all of security |
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| 08:31.22 | libpcp | Hello everyone |
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| 08:31.40 | mhall | emptied the thing that people are failing to remember these days is that firewalls are M&M security |
| 08:31.40 | SlayerXP | mhall right :) |
| 08:31.57 | mhall | emptied hard and crunchy on the outside, melts on the inside |
| 08:32.24 | mhall | emptied these days when you have wireless networks and marauding outsiders connecting to your network, a PIX will do nothing for you at all |
| 08:32.27 | libpcp | when i try to run depmod theres an error depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o |
| 08:32.37 | libpcp | how can i remove that error? |
| 08:32.39 | bob2 | please don't build your own kernel |
| 08:32.40 | mhall | emptied you need to have host IDS, network IDS, and host firewalls to do much good |
| 08:32.43 | bob2 | please? |
| 08:32.56 | emptied | mhall I think we are both arguing the same thing :P |
| 08:33.09 | Caelum | libpcp: delete that file |
| 08:33.10 | LoneWlf | emptied : yep... I'm just undoing a mess that I let happen over the course of the last 3 years... even I fell prey to the though pattern... it's not good... it's bad, and I have to convince my boss, my bosses boss and my coworkers to get on board with me and fix all of our security holes... |
| 08:33.16 | mhall | emptied yeah i know i'm preaching to a preacher |
| 08:33.22 | bob2 | Caelum: no |
| 08:33.27 | Gnea | libpcp: why are you using 2.4.18? |
| 08:33.27 | |Comrade| | anyone here got problems with his ps/2 mouse on kernel 2.6.8.1 ? |
| 08:33.31 | mhall | emptied but i'm just sympathizing with your complaint about what people do |
| 08:33.38 | Caelum | bob2: simple solution :P |
| 08:33.51 | bob2 | Caelum: one day someone will follow bad advice like that |
| 08:33.54 | emptied | mhall firewalls do not protect against local attacks and yes, that wifi point is a gaping hole to the attacker across the street but Comrade Haxxor can't get signal in the Ukraine... |
| 08:33.56 | Gnea | !lart Caelum |
| 08:34.00 | libpcp | Gnea: it was the kernel version that was working well on my voip server |
| 08:34.02 | LoneWlf | emptied : my favourite quote, and I have mixed emotions about whether or not he's listening, is, "we don't need to fix our security problems before letting this 3rd party group into our network, I trust them more than I trust our employees." |
| 08:34.07 | Gnea | bob2: do you know who aeonflux is/was? |
| 08:34.09 | LoneWlf | emptied : paraphrased of course |
| 08:34.20 | libpcp | Gnea: okay ill try to remove that file |
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| 08:34.22 | bob2 | Gnea: the tv show? |
| 08:34.22 | |Comrade| | how can i edit mouse settings manualy? |
| 08:34.26 | Gnea | libpcp: you should really update that to at least 2.4.27 |
| 08:34.27 | |Comrade| | whats the file? |
| 08:34.34 | mhall | emptied i have an extremely hard time getting the so-called security people at my edu to listen to real security ideas |
| 08:34.36 | bob2 | |Comrade|: there's no such thing as "mouse settings" |
| 08:34.37 | Caelum | libpcp: apt-cache search kernel-image and pick something newer perhaps |
| 08:34.39 | Gnea | libpcp: NO. |
| 08:34.44 | mhall | emptied they think PAT on the PIX is the answer |
| 08:34.49 | mhall | emptied but it is not |
| 08:34.50 | bob2 | |Comrade|: if you mean "how X interprets it", then /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:34.51 | emptied | mhall, lonewlf: nice |
| 08:34.51 | Gnea | bob2: no, the person (alias) |
| 08:34.55 | bob2 | Gnea: no |
| 08:34.59 | mhall | emptied the vast majority of our threats are internal |
| 08:35.11 | |Comrade| | bob2 my mouse freezes when i start kde or gnome after a few secs |
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| 08:35.19 | mhall | emptied viruses, worms, and 1377 k1dd135 |
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| 08:35.47 | LoneWlf | mhall : the vast majority of threats has always been internal, think "social engineering" |
| 08:35.49 | mhall | emptied and they don't care about collateral damage caused by everything that PAT makes stop working |
| 08:35.49 | Caelum | |Comrade|: check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log and try disabling gpm if you use it, also try using /dev/input/mice as your mouse device if you have it |
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| 08:35.56 | bob2 | Gnea: some sort of kiddy? |
| 08:36.03 | mhall | LoneWlf i read mitnick's book, it scared me shitless |
| 08:36.12 | |Comrade| | thx ChanServ |
| 08:36.14 | |Comrade| | err |
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| 08:36.23 | LoneWlf | mhall : yeah, who do you trust? |
| 08:36.24 | emptied | mhall: I had a customer tell me they could not have been hacked beause they had a firewall... further probing showed they had some 100buck commodity number *and had turned on the bastion host option pointed to their windowsxp server* |
| 08:36.25 | Gnea | bob2: she was this evil, evil script kiddie living in canada (might still be) back in the efnet days (before OPN existed) she would wreak havoc on n00bs, perform channel takeovers utilizing ping floods over oc48 links, that sort of thing - well one day she told this kid that the best way to solve his problem was to dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda well the kid actually followed that to the letter, as root. |
| 08:36.44 | bob2 | Gnea: ouch |
| 08:37.09 | Gnea | bob2: right, so she was promptly kick/banned and a few days later, on xmas day, she took over the channel (#e) |
| 08:37.15 | emptied | mhall: 97733 |
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| 08:37.23 | mhall | emptied other thing usually Comrade H4x0r from teh Ukrainez0r is a kiddie |
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| 08:37.30 | bob2 | Gnea: enlightenment? |
| 08:37.30 | Gnea | bob2: every op and bot were knocked off |
| 08:37.36 | Gnea | bob2: yup |
| 08:37.40 | bob2 | Gnea: ah |
| 08:37.41 | emptied | mhall: (that's the leet umask) |
| 08:37.42 | mhall | emptied the people who want to hack you and who are capable will come to get you |
| 08:37.47 | Caelum | don't people have better things to do? :) |
| 08:37.48 | morteoh | is it possible to specify to filetypes in fstab? (so that it first tries the first one, and then the second one) |
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| 08:37.52 | morteoh | to=twoo |
| 08:38.03 | bob2 | morteoh: why? |
| 08:38.08 | Gnea | this was back before things like iproute, tc and QoS existed, so ping flooding was virtually unstoppable |
| 08:38.09 | mhall | emptied haha, over here, we screw with the IT dept by using funny MAC addresses |
| 08:38.13 | Caelum | like hacking on projects instead of people's servers |
| 08:38.16 | emptied | mhall: yeah I know... Comrade Haxor though is increasingly an organized criminal these days |
| 08:38.28 | morteoh | bob2: i use GVM to mount removable devices, and one is reiserfs, one is vfat |
| 08:38.35 | Brax | Is there somebody available on this channel whou could help me with installing some thingies on Debian (private?) |
| 08:38.38 | bob2 | morteoh: does "auto" work? |
| 08:38.38 | morteoh | bob2: (both at sda1 when inserted) |
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| 08:38.41 | mhall | emptied like, for example, 017EA75F3C35 |
| 08:38.44 | bob2 | Brax: private help = pay |
| 08:38.46 | morteoh | haven't tried |
| 08:38.48 | Slartibartfast | bob2: thanks again good sir |
| 08:38.50 | bob2 | morteoh: give it a go |
| 08:38.53 | morteoh | ok, thanks |
| 08:38.56 | bob2 | Brax: just ask here |
| 08:38.58 | Gnea | Caelum: oh she was a piece of work - molested as a child, thus turned lesbian and laying havoc to any male, either irl or virtually, that she could. |
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| 08:39.08 | mhall | emptied or 00B16B00B500 |
| 08:39.15 | emptied | mhall: I have a pal at a t2 backbone aggregator and when they got their new GSR they spent a day scrolling "$boss is a wanker" and "$engineer is a git" across the LED panels |
| 08:39.22 | mick_laptop | is there a way to copy/paste into an xterm? I think it worked for me w/ a 3 button mouse (this one only has 2) |
| 08:39.29 | bob2 | mick_laptop: middle click |
| 08:39.29 | mhall | emptied hahaha |
| 08:39.35 | bob2 | mick_laptop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, "emulate 3 buttons" |
| 08:39.37 | jm_ | pres both buttons and enable the option in XF86Config* |
| 08:39.39 | bob2 | or get a better mouse |
| 08:39.40 | Gnea | mick_laptop: click both buttons |
| 08:39.46 | mick_laptop | ah |
| 08:39.50 | mick_laptop | thanks guys |
| 08:39.55 | Gnea | np |
| 08:39.59 | mhall | emptied we were thinking, a good prank, get a whole building of people using elite MAC addresses |
| 08:39.59 | Brax | bob2, I want to install Links on my debian machine, but It fails with cd-rom (possible damaged cd-romdrive). How can I download links? |
| 08:40.10 | emptied | lol |
| 08:40.17 | mhall | emptied and see a) if the IT dept. notices, b) if they care, and c) if they do anything |
| 08:40.21 | bob2 | Brax: apt-setup, point it at a mirror, "apt-get install links" |
| 08:40.22 | LoneWlf | mhall, emptied, Gnea, bob2 : let me try one on you... hacking without hacking... I have a client who's very irritated by bounces that they have been receiving... they thought they were being used as an smtp relay, which I checked and double checked against, played with firewall rules and finally installed a 3rd party IDS to detect and if necessary protect against, before I deciphered the fact that they were being spoofed... crazy I know, but I |
| 08:40.39 | Brax | I'll try bob2, thx :) |
| 08:40.48 | Caelum | 00DEADBEEF00 :) |
| 08:40.54 | mhall | emptied i bet it goes a) yes b) yes c) no |
| 08:40.56 | LoneWlf | didn't want to rock the boat too much, it all happened, and has happened early on in my relationship with them... so I'm being spoofed... now what? |
| 08:41.08 | Gnea | LoneWlf: easy solution to that: exim4+spamassassin |
| 08:41.17 | mhall | Caelum and 0EA7DEADBEEF50 |
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| 08:41.20 | bob2 | LoneWlf: I personally get dozens a day |
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| 08:41.30 | mhall | Caelum or 00EA7DEADBEEF5 |
| 08:41.36 | LoneWlf | I look at the headers of the email bounces and the only common thread is the spoof of my ip and the websites that are being spammed to 3rd parties... |
| 08:41.36 | mhall | Caelum and so on |
| 08:41.40 | Gnea | now if they would only hurry up and release spamassassin 3.0 |
| 08:42.03 | mhall | LoneWlf so people are sending spam appearing to come from your IP? |
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| 08:42.20 | LoneWlf | mhall : in a nutshell, yes |
| 08:42.29 | emptied | mhall: once on the phone with another admin he was editing /etc/passwd by hand on a production box... he talks to himself while doing stuff so when I heard him go "OK now save the file..." i 'wall "PASSWORD DATABASE CHECKSUM ERROR: SYSTEM HALTING"' and hit up-arrow-enter a few times |
| 08:42.50 | emptied | lonewlf: LOL That's what you get for not reading the headers |
| 08:43.03 | mhall | LoneWlf see if you could use your ISP's SMTP server for outbound mail to avoid having issues |
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| 08:43.10 | LoneWlf | mhall : the website they're all spamming is based in beijing... china... something... coolsites1.com or somesuch, it's porn... so... don't checkitout less you're on personal connect |
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| 08:43.17 | rox | LoneWlf: your static IP? |
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| 08:43.23 | mhall | LoneWlf after all who cares if your mail server ip gets blacklisted if you are using your ISPs server |
| 08:43.34 | Ancillius | Gnea: spamassassin lacks a bit at functionality. I am lerning the assassin for more than a month (about 500 Mails checked) and it still gets only about 30% of Spam. Is there a additional thing to it? |
| 08:43.39 | LoneWlf | emptied : I know... I was only vaguely involved and highly irritated by the whole mess |
| 08:43.46 | mhall | LoneWlf good luck stopping anything in China |
| 08:43.53 | emptied | lonewlf: those bounces were sucky though, it's asynchronous bouncing and it's bad mmkay... alas qmail does it like that by default and to "fix" that probelm you have to break part of its security model |
| 08:43.58 | LoneWlf | rox : yes, my static IP |
| 08:44.04 | LoneWlf | mhall : that's what I thought |
| 08:44.05 | mick_laptop | Ancillius: i also have Thunderbird check for spam |
| 08:44.16 | WES187 | hey guys.. everytime I quit out of X my computer completely freezes up. |
| 08:44.21 | Ancillius | mick_laptop: doenst thunderbird also use spamassassin? |
| 08:44.23 | mhall | Ancillius there are a great many tests |
| 08:44.26 | emptied | mhall: <--- ISP abuse admin, you'd care mightily on my network |
| 08:44.27 | Caelum | I just have anything with score > 8 go to /dev/null, cuts down on a lot of sifting |
| 08:44.29 | WES187 | happens if I change to console from x too |
| 08:44.30 | Gnea | Ancillius: yeah, sa-exim |
| 08:44.31 | bob2 | WES187: using the nvidia drivers? |
| 08:44.40 | Slartibartfast | ok heres another question, i have just intalled the libqt3-mt-dev package but it has a HUGE list of unmet dependencies is there an apt-get command to install all unmet dependencies or do i have to download and install each file? |
| 08:44.40 | emptied | Ancillius: nope it uses built in bayesian |
| 08:44.41 | mhall | emptied er not quite what i mean |
| 08:44.42 | WES187 | bob2: happens with nvidia driver or nv |
| 08:44.42 | Gnea | Ancillius: very, very powerful yet easy way to configure it |
| 08:44.47 | rox | LoneWlf: and ficu all the mail server admins, who can't get ip spoofing protection running |
| 08:44.53 | mick_laptop | my server checks it first then it goes to Thunderbird |
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| 08:44.56 | Ancillius | Gnea: got a link for further reading? |
| 08:44.57 | mhall | emptied i think i misunderstood his mail server problem |
| 08:44.59 | Gnea | Ancillius: you just watch the scores and adjust as needed - but spam is getting... smarte |
| 08:45.00 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: no, apt will not install something unless it can satisfy the dependencies |
| 08:45.01 | Gnea | r |
| 08:45.05 | mick_laptop | its been working great for me |
| 08:45.08 | Gnea | Ancillius: apt-cache show sa-exim |
| 08:45.08 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 08:45.16 | mhall | emptied let me see if i understand |
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| 08:45.36 | Ancillius | Gnea: interesting, will try that, but i use exim3. does that work? i read about exim4... |
| 08:45.40 | mick_laptop | my only problem is that certain good mails get marked as spam |
| 08:45.46 | mhall | emptied email uses TCP, you can't spoof that without predicting sequence numbers, which is now hard thanks to random numberings |
| 08:45.47 | LoneWlf | rox : my thought was that they weren't using anything resembling actual servers to do their dirty work, and that they were using virus infected machines... |
| 08:45.53 | Ancillius | mick_laptop: thats a problem with configuring... |
| 08:45.54 | WES187 | I think it is with my kernel because I put a new kernel on.. a very barebone one, but I don't know what option could of done that |
| 08:45.56 | Slartibartfast | bob2: my apt-get currently is only looking at the cd, how do i tell it to go on the net? |
| 08:46.07 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: apt-setup |
| 08:46.09 | mhall | emptied so... how do you spoof SMTP traffic through somebody's server? |
| 08:46.13 | emptied | mhall: not IP spoofed, envelope-sender spoofed |
| 08:46.18 | LoneWlf | rox : I hunted down a few of the 'valid' ips in the schema and they're mostly certified dial-up IPs from various parts of the world... |
| 08:46.19 | Gnea | Ancillius: exim4 is much more evolved than exim3. i highly recommend it over any other MTA out there currently - with spamassassin tho, i'd use exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 08:46.20 | Slartibartfast | thanks again bob2 |
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| 08:46.29 | emptied | mhall: which would be readily apparent in the headers |
| 08:46.39 | mick_laptop | Ancillius: my mail filters are supposted to move those mails to my designated folders, but some seem to slip |
| 08:46.41 | mhall | emptied like, you claim the message comes from foo@mysite.com, and you get complained at? |
| 08:46.46 | rox | LoneWlf: yeah, but still servers that actually accepted mail from a spoofed ip were realy horribly configured ... there are several layers of is spoofing protection and neither was up |
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| 08:46.55 | mhall | emptied i'm not seeing the security / admin headache this seems to cause |
| 08:47.07 | mhall | emptied because i can't see the anatomy of the attack clearly |
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| 08:47.28 | mick_laptop | LoneWlf: whats the best way to see if someone's server is an open relay? Just try to send mail using their smtp server? |
| 08:47.42 | emptied | mhall: yeah the MTA does not know better and sends a bounce... You send to no such user the SMTP server on the other end *should* say "550 No such user" but many accept it, then send a bounce... to the envelope sender |
| 08:47.43 | mhall | mick_laptop check against relay blacklists |
| 08:48.00 | emptied | mhall: IE whatever the spammer wants to put in there |
| 08:48.03 | mick_laptop | mhall: abuse.org? |
| 08:48.07 | mhall | emptied ok i get it |
| 08:48.18 | mhall | mick_laptop MAPS is the famous one but they started charging |
| 08:48.22 | emptied | mhall: Also called a Joe Job |
| 08:48.26 | WES187 | ok.. thanx anyways seeyas |
| 08:48.29 | mhall | mick_laptop so now new ones have appeared |
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| 08:48.45 | mhall | emptied alright let me repeat back an example to see i've gotten it right |
| 08:48.46 | Slartibartfast | bob2: Aaaaawsome i cant thank you enough you have been very helpful |
| 08:48.47 | nailbiter | mick_laptop: actually, the open-relay tester is at http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
| 08:48.48 | mick_laptop | mhall: anything that you may recommend (besides MAPS) |
| 08:49.04 | LoneWlf | rox : ok, so... my email server is supposed to check all of the relays back to the origin and make sure that none of them are spoofed? the headers have between 2 and 3 relays of questionable existence, a spoofed instance of my own IP and the final destination before bounce... and the one that relays to them is a valid IP... it just isn't open for email business... which is why I'm thinking... virus infected machine... doing no spoofing but head |
| 08:49.06 | emptied | mick_laptop: the CBL is excellent |
| 08:49.13 | mhall | mick_laptop google around and analyze them, because there are many, with different tolerances for risk |
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| 08:49.40 | emptied | mick_laptop: blackholes.us has them based on geography and commerciality |
| 08:49.42 | mhall | mick_laptop some say we'll accept no risk of spam, and that means more false positives |
| 08:49.42 | mick_laptop | thanks a lot guys |
| 08:49.44 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: np |
| 08:49.51 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: you don't ever need to use dpkg directly in normal use |
| 08:50.10 | emptied | bob2: isn't dpkg-divert a dpkg wrapper? |
| 08:50.18 | Ancillius | bob2: veto, what about compiling kernels with make-kpkg? |
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| 08:50.26 | rox | LoneWlf: well ... somewhere along the line that stuff should get stopped |
| 08:50.41 | LoneWlf | mick_laptop : yep, they pretty much zeroed it in for you... all of the above are true |
| 08:50.46 | mick_laptop | i'm asking since i got an e-mail for the german division for a company that i do work for |
| 08:50.54 | bob2 | emptied: it's a shell script afaict |
| 08:50.57 | rox | LoneWlf: and actually checking all relays is not such a bad idea |
| 08:50.59 | bob2 | Ancillius: hah, don't be difficult |
| 08:51.09 | mick_laptop | some .pif attachment from a randomly generated name |
| 08:51.11 | Ancillius | bob2: ;) hehe sorry |
| 08:51.20 | VivekVC | Iam back |
| 08:51.24 | LoneWlf | rox : not if the very last one is just accepting mail for its domain and doesn't have 'don't relay from dial-up ips and dial-up.blackhole.something.or.other' configured... |
| 08:51.33 | lemmit | Are there any X gurus here, I'm kind of stuck on a terminal setup... |
| 08:51.37 | LoneWlf | rox : yeah, but look at the cpu time |
| 08:51.42 | mhall | emptied i, teh anti-1337 spammer, send a message through dumbadmin.com's SMTP server, i set the HELO to "HELO innocentuser@yahoo.com", and the RCPT TO to "bogus@nowhere.net". |
| 08:51.45 | bob2 | !+gurus |
| 08:51.46 | LoneWlf | rox : I agree that the problem isn't mine and that email sux |
| 08:51.46 | mick_laptop | lemmit: just ask |
| 08:51.53 | LoneWlf | rox : i'm with you all the way on that.. |
| 08:52.05 | idnar | mhall: HELO doesn't have anything to do with where bounces are set |
| 08:52.08 | lemmit | typical terminals etup - netboot, NFS mounted / ja /usr and such |
| 08:52.10 | mhall | emptied now, the bounce, which contains my original message along with some errors around it, goes to innocentuser@yahoo.com |
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| 08:52.19 | idnar | mhall: err, sent. HELO is meant to have a hostname anyway, not an e-mail address |
| 08:52.20 | lemmit | everything OK, but switching keyboard layouts does not work |
| 08:52.25 | mhall | emptied oh wait, that was a mistake, on my part |
| 08:52.35 | mhall | idnar right, exactly |
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| 08:52.57 | LoneWlf | rox : however... the solution... is.. the smtp/dns verification... but its like... impossible to implement? I dunno |
| 08:53.03 | rox | LoneWlf: the thing that realy sucks is that with spoofed sender IPs it's quite a bit harder to prove that you'r not the sender, if somebody happens to go after you |
| 08:53.03 | emptied | mhall: close, you connect to yahoo.com's MX, and: "HELO spammy\nMAIL FROM: <mhall@mhallshouseofhotporno.com>\nRCPT TO: <thereaintnouserbythisname@yahoo.com>" |
| 08:53.14 | mhall | emptied it's actually i set the MAIL FROM to innocentuser@yahoo.com |
| 08:53.23 | |Comrade| | bob2 |
| 08:53.33 | |Comrade| | does not work |
| 08:53.34 | bob2 | please don't just say my nick |
| 08:53.37 | bob2 | that's fucking annoying |
| 08:53.44 | resiak | bob2? |
| 08:53.48 | mhall | emptied alright, now then, how do you tell people are doing it to you |
| 08:53.50 | resiak | :p |
| 08:53.50 | bob2 | |Comrade|: what does not work, and how does it not work? |
| 08:53.54 | peterS | !lart resiak |
| 08:54.00 | |Comrade| | well |
| 08:54.01 | rox | LoneWlf: most MTAs have a configuration option that makes them accept only mail from FQDN hosts |
| 08:54.03 | mhall | bob2 my nick |
| 08:54.06 | |Comrade| | when i startx |
| 08:54.07 | LoneWlf | rox : not in this case... the ip is there... but instead of the reverse (which you should see in a header) they have the my domain name... |
| 08:54.15 | bob2 | |Comrade|: no, you can use full sentences on a single line |
| 08:54.17 | LoneWlf | rox : did I say badly spoofed... I meant to say that somewhere |
| 08:54.19 | bob2 | spreading |
| 08:54.21 | bob2 | your |
| 08:54.22 | bob2 | st |
| 08:54.23 | bob2 | ory |
| 08:54.31 | bob2 | over little lines is also fucking annoying |
| 08:54.40 | emptied | mhall: yahoo *should*, after the RCPT TO:, kick back a 550 and refuse the message(at least for that addy). In these cases, it returns 22x, queues the message, and then sends a later bounce message |
| 08:54.48 | |Comrade| | my mouse works aslong as bg is grey and cursor : X but it freezes when kde or gnome is starting |
| 08:54.57 | rox | LoneWlf: aha, so thea are merely spoofing your host name not your IP ... that's a bit easier to swallow |
| 08:54.58 | resiak | bob2: I guess you know how many lines causes the autokick to, err, kick in... I was watching with bated breath |
| 08:54.58 | mhall | bob2 !tell bob2 about enter // hahaha, j/k |
| 08:55.04 | bob2 | |Comrade|: can you ssh in? can you ping it? |
| 08:55.05 | emptied | mhall: bounces bounce with full headers quoted |
| 08:55.18 | bob2 | resiak: hence the pause before the last one, the bot hates me |
| 08:55.20 | peterS | resiak: he spaced it out time-wise. it's 4 lines, but you have to say them within 1 or 2 seconds of each other |
| 08:55.25 | bob2 | resiak: it's even banned me |
| 08:55.25 | idnar | !doesn't work |
| 08:55.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 08:55.39 | ZyanKLee | I wish you all a good morning and a nice day |
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| 08:55.45 | resiak | bob2 peterS : I figured he knew what he was doing |
| 08:55.49 | |Comrade| | bob2 how u mean?? pinging? its my mouse that doesn't work |
| 08:55.50 | peterS | resiak: good guess (: |
| 08:55.59 | LoneWlf | rox : aye... but if they formatted the header correctly, I'd be up shit creak and back to submitting logs for time periods to people who want to blackhole me... as it is... any competent admin will look at a request for a blackhole on my IP and shake his/her head sadly and say "request denied" |
| 08:56.05 | digi | hey my sound was working perfect, i enabled digital output in alsamixer...now for some reason it's not working...my stereo is just silent...xmms is going..no errors anywhere, but no sound... |
| 08:56.05 | resiak | peterS: Another one of these (: people, I see... |
| 08:56.10 | bob2 | |Comrade|: it's just the mouse that doesn't work? |
| 08:56.11 | mhall | emptied ok, so it should go look at the user list for yahoo.com, and shitcan the message when thereaint...@yahoo.com turns out to be bogus |
| 08:56.23 | peterS | resiak: I charge license fees for my patent on that particular emoticon. if you want to use it, we can talk offline |
| 08:56.27 | resiak | digi: I hate to state the obvious, but have you tried turning digital output _off_. |
| 08:56.37 | mhall | emptied and when it doesn't do that, you will end up trashing your IP address to help a moron spammer |
| 08:56.37 | |Comrade| | ye my mouse freezes... |
| 08:56.45 | resiak | peterS: heh; I think I'll get by on my public-domain :) |
| 08:57.05 | digi | resiak: yea, and it goes thru my regular speakers |
| 08:57.09 | peterS | resiak: yeah, that's a good, solid choice |
| 08:57.12 | mick_laptop | how can i use the CBL list locally? |
| 08:57.14 | digi | resiak: it's just the digital out to my stereo doesn't work now |
| 08:57.23 | digi | it was working 2minnutes ago too |
| 08:57.23 | |Comrade| | bob2 => mdetect output = /dev/psaux intellimouse |
| 08:57.26 | resiak | digi: Ah, I see; sorry! |
| 08:57.27 | egaMad | About the builtin shell command 'function name() { }', in what file does it store them? |
| 08:57.39 | mhall | peterS don't make me go onto google groups and find the prior art |
| 08:57.49 | |Comrade| | so i set /dev/psaux and imps/2 in xserver configuration |
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| 08:57.54 | mhall | peterS oh wait, you could get it deleted from the search results with a DMCA order |
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| 08:58.20 | peterS | mhall: I just might have to do that. I'm sorry, but business needs require me to take intellectual property defense seriously |
| 08:58.22 | mhall | peterS but then again Google would post the order and list the citations and contents of the results you requested deletion of |
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| 08:58.54 | mhall | peterS so i could just download that and screw over their screwup so it didn't screw up |
| 08:59.08 | peterS | mhall: let the battle begin |
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| 08:59.17 | LordKahless | hey anyone think they could help me? is there a gui for configuring a network interface? |
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| 08:59.46 | mhall | peterS lollerskates, the IT world is seriously screwed when it comes to IP these days |
| 08:59.48 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: gvim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:00.04 | mhall | peterS because a battle exactly like that could really happen in real life |
| 09:00.14 | mhall | peterS *cough* Scientology *cough* |
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| 09:00.18 | peterS | mhall: indeed |
| 09:00.20 | Mr_Smoke | *wave* moint |
| 09:00.22 | Mr_Smoke | -t |
| 09:00.24 | mhall | peterS *cough* SCO *cough* |
| 09:00.36 | mhall | Mr_Smoke gute nacht |
| 09:00.40 | egaMad | Hmm, I asume then that function doesn't write to a file, so how can I display, modify or delete them? I've read man bash but it doesn't write anything about it. |
| 09:00.45 | Brax | scarynetworkguy, how can I change the port of apache, 8000 in stead of 80 ? |
| 09:00.48 | Mr_Smoke | hehe *cough |
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| 09:00.53 | resiak | digi: I'm afraid I can't be helpful; I don't use my digital output. I asked what I did because it was the fact that it was turned on which was silencing my normal speakers |
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| 09:01.04 | mhall | Mr_Smoke hier ist's nicht morgen ;-) |
| 09:01.05 | bob2 | egaMad: display/modify/delete files? |
| 09:01.09 | scarynetworkguy | Brax: in the config file I'd guess |
| 09:01.10 | peterS | Brax: "Port 8000" in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 09:01.10 | resiak | Brax: in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, change the first few lines |
| 09:01.17 | egaMad | Uhh, not files, I mean functions |
| 09:01.20 | Mr_Smoke | I'll try not to sound too stupid here ... I just migrated from Mandrake to Debian |
| 09:01.27 | egaMad | 'function name() { }' |
| 09:01.31 | resiak | Brax: (if you're using apache2) |
| 09:01.31 | Mr_Smoke | i've got the apt thing figured BUT |
| 09:01.39 | bob2 | egaMad: yes, what do you want to do with them? |
| 09:01.48 | Mr_Smoke | i'm looking for the equivalent of rpm --rebuild, after modifying the specs |
| 09:01.51 | Mr_Smoke | is there such a thing ? |
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| 09:01.55 | HUgl | Hello. snort i have a snort log called: alert.1.gz . but tar zxvf doesn't untar this file. what should i use? |
| 09:01.56 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: there isn't one |
| 09:01.59 | cat_orgy | Mr_Smoke: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:02.01 | digi | resiak: yea...thanks anyway |
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| 09:02.05 | resiak | HUgl: gunzip |
| 09:02.13 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: if you download and modify a source package, tho, "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" will rebuild it for you |
| 09:02.44 | Brax | how do I restart apache? |
| 09:02.45 | evl | I'm having problems getting postgresql 7.4 from sarge listening on tcp anyone know anything about this? tcpip_socket is true in postgresql.conf |
| 09:02.47 | rox | Mr_Smoke: get the source package with apt-get source <package-name> |
| 09:02.48 | egaMad | bob2, Well, I've written a mnt function to mount iso's, can I somehow remove/modify own functions? I don't need to ATM but would be nice if I screw anything up. |
| 09:02.51 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: well what I'm after is how to build a new package after modifying the ./configure options... so that's the way to do it then |
| 09:02.55 | evl | Brax: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 09:03.00 | Brax | k |
| 09:03.01 | resiak | HUgl: tar -xzvf means unzip, and then untar. since that file is not tarred, that operation must fail. |
| 09:03.02 | beeblebrox87 | are all VoIP providers rather expensive, or do i just not know where to look? |
| 09:03.16 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: it's you |
| 09:03.22 | Mr_Smoke | rox: i've got that figured :) i got the source already. what I don't know however, is whether the changes in the config file will be retained when I rebuild the package |
| 09:03.24 | RetardedSmurf | are their any auto(conf|make) ninjas in the house? |
| 09:03.28 | bob2 | egaMad: just restart bash... |
| 09:03.36 | beeblebrox87 | scarynetworkguy: okay, what provider do you recommend? |
| 09:03.39 | bob2 | egaMad: functions only exist because you put them in some file bash sourced |
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| 09:03.47 | mick_laptop | i tried to get a password for abuse.net (i mailed new@abuse.net) i got my mail returned saying: "mail server permanently rejected message (#5.3.0)" |
| 09:03.49 | VivekVC | wb |
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| 09:03.51 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: yes, if you modifed the Debian source package |
| 09:03.55 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: define expensive? |
| 09:03.59 | rox | Mr_Smoke: it will |
| 09:04.07 | mick_laptop | what the hell is that about? |
| 09:04.14 | Mr_Smoke | bob2, rox : thanx, that's exactly what I needed to hear :) |
| 09:04.23 | beeblebrox87 | they all seem to entail paying $20 or so a month, when i only pay $5 or $10 a month for my current cell phone on average. |
| 09:04.29 | Mr_Smoke | brb, fixing NVidia /dev now ... |
| 09:04.29 | egaMad | bob2, Ahh, so I can add my functions in the bashrc file to keep the function after a bash restart? |
| 09:04.45 | bob2 | egaMad: yes |
| 09:04.46 | LoneWlf | mick_laptop : um... where did you email them from? |
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| 09:04.50 | bob2 | egaMad: and if you don't, it goes away |
| 09:04.52 | LoneWlf | mick_laptop : dare I ask? |
| 09:04.52 | uws | Hi all. What am I doing wrong: evolution1.5: Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 0.0.99) but it is not going to be installed and ii evolution-data-serve 1.0.0-1 evolution database backend server ? |
| 09:04.52 | digi | anyone else have a problem with alsa/digital output when installing nvidia drivers...some libmikmod error and now no sound? |
| 09:05.13 | Randy | Hey |
| 09:05.14 | bob2 | uws: you're using sid or experimental |
| 09:05.15 | Randy | theres a new redhat release |
| 09:05.21 | Phated | ... |
| 09:05.22 | bob2 | Randy: that's nice... |
| 09:05.24 | Randy | redhat version 92939 advanced professional extreme elite edition |
| 09:05.37 | mick_laptop | LoneWlf: from my home, FL (isp is Bellsouth) |
| 09:05.41 | bob2 | Randy: have anything Debian-related to discuss? |
| 09:05.43 | uws | bob2: Did you read my question? i needs 0.0.99 and 1.0.0-1 is installed. What's the numbering logic? |
| 09:05.44 | mhall | randy word? |
| 09:05.44 | egaMad | bob2, Thanks, now I know how it works. It's a pretty cool command. |
| 09:05.52 | mick_laptop | could it be that they automatically think FL == Spammer? |
| 09:05.55 | mhall | Randy that's a bit too deluxe for me |
| 09:06.02 | Randy | :P |
| 09:06.29 | bob2 | mick_laptop: run "rblcheck" on your mailserver's IP. |
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| 09:06.51 | mhall | Randy i don't think i'm quite 1337 enough of a security adminz0r for something like that |
| 09:07.03 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
| 09:07.14 | mick_laptop | ty |
| 09:07.15 | mhall | Randy i mean, ph34r RP|\/|! it are teh 1337z0r |
| 09:07.17 | emptied | mhall: yep |
| 09:07.34 | mhall | Randy apt has nothing on it |
| 09:07.37 | beeblebrox87 | scarynetworkguy: note that my current service is about 40 cents a minute for local calls and $2 a minute otherwise, but i just don't use the phone often enough to justify the monthly fees of voip |
| 09:07.39 | mhall | emptied yep what |
| 09:07.40 | uws | bob2: Ah. i get it: Conflicts: evolution1.5 |
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| 09:07.51 | mhall | emptied you capping on my unelite adminz0ring? |
| 09:07.52 | bob2 | uws: yeah |
| 09:07.52 | emptied | mhall: not to mention that bounced virii that spoof their sender then get reflected, typically mime-attachment intact, to the spoofee |
| 09:07.53 | beeblebrox87 | at least, not the monthly fees of the voip providers i have seen |
| 09:08.04 | Randy | mhall: I came up with this after I red the fedora redhat site that said it will make a release 3 times a year |
| 09:08.08 | ElNooboStupido | I know this may sound like a weird question but how do I get a console mode with colors and the such? |
| 09:08.13 | cgray | hi, I have a v4l question. I recently moved from Canada to the Netherlands and I want to use my old video card. I get a (black and white) picture on it but the sound is just static... Is there any hope for me to get it to work, or should I just get a new video card? |
| 09:08.13 | uws | bob2: apt-get's message is not descriptive :) |
| 09:08.17 | mhall | emptied i have been seeing lots of weird qmail error spams lately |
| 09:08.18 | emptied | mhall: no was yepping your ken of the asynchronous bounce nightmare |
| 09:08.19 | ElNooboStupido | I sure do miss doing an ls and seeing things in diff colors |
| 09:08.25 | Randy | and I just thought it was odd they would just say "3 times a year" no matter what kindof situation.. its kindof natural |
| 09:08.25 | mhall | emptied ah yeah |
| 09:08.37 | emptied | mhall afk again trying to get good partimages :) |
| 09:08.40 | Randy | s/natural/unnatural |
| 09:08.47 | bob2 | uws: heh, aptitude's output would have been a bit clearer; it'd hilight the conflict in red |
| 09:08.48 | RetardedSmurf | after playing mp3s for a bit they start to get garbled, are my buffers to small or something? |
| 09:08.52 | jcook2 | hello is anyone using php4(testing/unstable) ... and php/cgi ... how do i get around the --enable-force-cgi-redirect issue? |
| 09:09.04 | mhall | cgray the signals are not compatible |
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| 09:09.15 | Randy | jcook: that is what gets around it |
| 09:09.25 | Randy | jcook: enabling that fixes the problem ? |
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| 09:09.35 | mhall | cgray you should probably buy a new HDTV card from the EFF's website or some other place before the new DRM restrictions take effect |
| 09:09.39 | cgray | mhall: yeah, but I get pictures... that's what's keeping the hope alive :) |
| 09:09.56 | mhall | cgray well you can get a converter box |
| 09:10.08 | mhall | cgray maybe there is a cheap one on ebay |
| 09:10.21 | egaMad | bob2, seems my function doesn't work, what to I write to use an argument in the function (mnt somefile.iso). I tried #1 and %1 |
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| 09:10.57 | saintiss | is there a way to find out in which package a certain file can be found, if that package is NOT yet installed? |
| 09:11.01 | DebProb | where can I find htdocs? |
| 09:11.08 | Phated | egaMad: $1? |
| 09:11.14 | jcook2 | Randy: i dont understand ... |
| 09:11.16 | bob2 | egaMad: $1 |
| 09:11.25 | bob2 | saintiss: apt-file |
| 09:11.28 | egaMad | Phated, bob2, got it, thanks a lot :) |
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| 09:11.45 | Phated | egaMad: Not a problem. :) |
| 09:11.50 | LoneWlf | okay, another miscellaneous question... what provides the libs for g++... libstdc++? gcc? or something I've heard of but never had to install before? |
| 09:12.16 | saintiss | bob2, doesn't seem to work... apt-file search /usr/bin/xmms returns nothing |
| 09:12.18 | bob2 | LoneWlf: install build-essential |
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| 09:12.28 | bob2 | saintiss: did you read the instructions and update your database? |
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| 09:12.59 | DebProb | where can I find htdocs? |
| 09:13.04 | mhall | ~Phated++ |
| 09:13.08 | mhall | apt, karma Phated |
| 09:13.08 | apt | phated has karma of 1 |
| 09:13.08 | saintiss | bob2, hmm, just read the short help.. reading the manual... thanks |
| 09:13.09 | bob2 | DebProb: do you mean /var/www/? |
| 09:13.09 | Phated | mhall: :D |
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| 09:13.23 | mhall | Phated if you can guess like that your karma has to be good |
| 09:13.29 | DebProb | yes bob2 |
| 09:13.31 | mhall | Phated or the universe is fucked |
| 09:13.33 | Phated | mhall: Truly. :) |
| 09:13.34 | mhall | Phated haha |
| 09:13.35 | andre88 | hi, in which pkg dpkg can i fount gtk-config ? |
| 09:13.45 | bob2 | andre88: libgtk1.2-dev |
| 09:13.46 | LoneWlf | bob2: thanks... |
| 09:13.48 | DebProb | bob2, question answered at once eh ;-) |
| 09:13.53 | mhall | Phated so i was just balancing the universe |
| 09:13.54 | bob2 | andre88: but please at least skim the FAQ in the future |
| 09:13.56 | Phated | mhall: I was referring to good karma, not fucked universe... |
| 09:14.07 | mhall | Phated i knew what ya meant |
| 09:14.12 | Phated | :D |
| 09:14.14 | Randy | jcook: if you run php/cgi you use that feature so that it isn't a problem. Enabling --enable-force-cgi-redirect fixes a problem.. it doesn't cause one |
| 09:14.18 | andre88 | bob2, i've install libgtk2.0-dev but thereisn't :\ |
| 09:14.27 | andre88 | why it is only on 1.2 ? |
| 09:14.31 | bob2 | andre88: yes, because gtk2 uses pkgconfig |
| 09:14.37 | beeblebrox87 | feh, it seems with voip i would pay more for local calls than i do now |
| 09:14.41 | bob2 | like every other vaguely sane/modern library |
| 09:15.12 | saintiss | ok, this might be a tricky question: dpms doesn't seem to work on my flat panel... I just get a pink screen, instead of it turning off with xset dpms force off |
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| 09:16.31 | jcook2 | Randy: if I use #!/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php4 and call the script _.com/cgi-bin/blah.php .. i get a "security alert!" in the html instead |
| 09:16.42 | mhall | what's the bitchx command to unignore somebody |
| 09:16.58 | bougyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.04 | Randy | jcook2: there is a security issue with not using --enable-force-cgi-redirect |
| 09:17.04 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 09:17.07 | bob2 | "/exec sudo apt-get install irssi-text |
| 09:17.08 | jm_ | or /ignore foo none |
| 09:17.11 | mhall | scarynetworkguy i was using it |
| 09:17.20 | SlayerXP | or /disco <username> |
| 09:17.28 | SlayerXP | as in "discontinue ignoring" |
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| 09:17.32 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: :P |
| 09:17.36 | w00kie | I keep getting this error in unstable when trying to start up Gnome2 apps: Gnome-ERROR **: Module 'libgnome' requires version '1.1.1' of module 'gnome-gconf' to be installed, and you only have version '\u0002' of 'gnome-gconf'. Aborting application. |
| 09:17.40 | jcook2 | Randy: yeah i understand why it was compiled that way ... but how do i get around that? |
| 09:17.44 | mhall | scarynetworkguy but, sticky wicket, it would silently lose track of the irc server without warning |
| 09:17.45 | w00kie | Anyone seen that or knows how to fix it? |
| 09:17.55 | mhall | scarynetworkguy and i have NO IDEA wtf was going on |
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| 09:18.07 | Randy | jcook2: recompile with that syntax |
| 09:18.09 | mhall | scarynetworkguy but BitchX has not done it once in several hours now |
| 09:18.16 | mhall | scarynetworkguy so it can't be a network glitch either |
| 09:18.27 | jcook2 | Randy: thanks for nothing |
| 09:18.31 | mhall | scarynetworkguy cause irssi was literally doing it every 2-3 mins |
| 09:18.59 | mhall | SlayerXP no more like disco as in disconnect |
| 09:19.02 | mhall | SlayerXP WNBT |
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| 09:19.16 | DebProb | bob2, can I ask 'nother question? |
| 09:19.19 | RetardedSmurf | config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in |
| 09:19.29 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: read the instructions again |
| 09:19.34 | mhall | !tell DebProb about ask |
| 09:19.34 | DebProb | How do I change the welcome message when loggin in using ssh? |
| 09:19.45 | bob2 | especially the bit where it says "run autogen.sh" or "bootstrap.sh" |
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| 09:19.49 | bob2 | DebProb: /etc/issue.net |
| 09:19.55 | Randy | jcook2: you need to stop doing what it likes like you doing |
| 09:20.03 | RetardedSmurf | im not getting any other erros other then that |
| 09:20.30 | RetardedSmurf | and i have Makefile.am |
| 09:20.33 | Randy | jcook2: you need to stop doing what it doesn't want you to do. that fixes stuff |
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| 09:20.55 | mhall | DebProb that answer is not right |
| 09:21.02 | RetardedSmurf | so shouldnt automake make some sort of complaint before the next step takes the makefile.in |
| 09:21.03 | mhall | DebProb SSH does not display the issue file |
| 09:21.11 | mhall | DebProb the login message is /etc/motd |
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| 09:21.23 | mhall | DebProb and unfortunately everybody gets the same one, networked or not |
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| 09:21.32 | jcook2 | Randy: that might be nice for devel systems ... whith nothing writen on it ... but for live systems ... one doesn't have that luxury |
| 09:21.40 | Gnea | hrm... oh boy |
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| 09:21.57 | Gnea | my main hard drive is now experiencing some nastiness |
| 09:22.00 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: no, you need to read the instructions and run autogen.sh or bootstrap.sh |
| 09:22.08 | bob2 | RetardedSmurf: you check it out via cvs? |
| 09:22.18 | mhall | Gnea dvd burnination is your only hope Luke |
| 09:22.29 | mhall | Gnea hard drives don't respond to the force |
| 09:22.31 | RetardedSmurf | yes but this isnt debian, im just ON debian, so i figured id ask here :P |
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| 09:22.44 | Gnea | mhall: that's not an option |
| 09:22.48 | Gnea | fuck... |
| 09:22.56 | Gnea | just when i got the system all up and running again |
| 09:23.04 | b3R70xV6 | hi |
| 09:23.08 | mhall | Gnea no burnination? are your burnz0r are belong to Fry's? |
| 09:23.10 | Gnea | i've already SUIEIESUB |
| 09:23.24 | Gnea | mhall: lol we don't have fry's on the east coast ;) |
| 09:23.35 | DebProb | Can I make a user 'ash' to have 'root' access? How? |
| 09:23.38 | Gnea | wait |
| 09:23.39 | LoneWlf | mhall : what do you mean they don't respond to force, sure they do, and it's always the same... they fail... :P |
| 09:23.41 | Gnea | i haven't B'd yet |
| 09:23.41 | mhall | Gnea right, the burners are stuck where you can't get them |
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| 09:23.51 | mhall | LoneWlf no, i mean the force |
| 09:23.53 | RetardedSmurf | i guess ill read through this auto* tutorial more since im having different problems on my bsd box |
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| 09:24.02 | RetardedSmurf | why cant things with the word auto just work :P |
| 09:24.04 | Gnea | oh this is great |
| 09:24.05 | mhall | LoneWlf from star wars |
| 09:24.06 | Bert- | is another lof fileconf for debian ?? my problem is in syslog.conf, i redirect nothing on console, but all my iptables log are shown in every console i open :/ |
| 09:24.10 | Gnea | hdb: drive not ready for command |
| 09:24.20 | mhall | LoneWlf it was part of a multiline joke |
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| 09:25.32 | mhall | LoneWlf <Gnea> my main hard drive is now experiencing some nastiness, <mhall> Gnea dvd burnination is your only hope Luke, hard drives don't respond to the force, ... |
| 09:25.33 | Gnea | FUCK |
| 09:25.33 | egaMad | hmm, I still have a problem with the function, I'll paste some text in #flood |
| 09:25.33 | Gnea | the bios isn't reading it >:( |
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| 09:25.33 | Gnea | and i JUST reinstalled and got everything setup too |
| 09:25.33 | Gnea | what the bloody ass HELL |
| 09:25.35 | mhall | Gnea chill out |
| 09:25.58 | Gnea | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 09:25.58 | Gnea | there is no chilling out. |
| 09:25.58 | mhall | Gnea check the jumpers and cables again |
| 09:25.59 | mhall | Gnea it could potentially be something simple and dumb |
| 09:26.02 | Gnea | it was working fine all fucking week |
| 09:26.12 | mhall | Gnea once i put the power connector in loose |
| 09:26.13 | Gnea | alright... |
| 09:26.22 | Gnea | i'll check it all |
| 09:26.22 | LoneWlf | mhall : gotcha... my bad |
| 09:26.29 | mhall | LoneWlf haha |
| 09:26.31 | Gnea | but i have this other system here i can test it in too |
| 09:26.45 | mhall | LoneWlf it was an obscure reference |
| 09:26.53 | mhall | LoneWlf so i get some of the blame too |
| 09:26.57 | Gnea | cuz that's the kernel i was running when the other drive up and keeled over |
| 09:27.01 | LoneWlf | mhall : not to geeks, I just missed the 'the' |
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| 09:27.16 | mhall | LoneWlf blame sharing is great when you can get people to go along with it |
| 09:27.22 | Gnea | !pls |
| 09:27.22 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 09:27.33 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:28.02 | Gnea | TuRK_MaN: lame. |
| 09:28.06 | mhall | TuRK_MaN PING dsl81-215-47897.adsl.ttnet.net.tr (81.215.187.25): 56 data bytes |
| 09:28.06 | mhall | 64 bytes from 81.215.187.25: icmp_seq=0 ttl=41 time=379.8 ms |
| 09:28.20 | LoneWlf | mhall : yeah... but us sysadmin types are all the same, we _like_ blame, it sounds like credit... good bad... we don't care... we just want it... it's superstar syndrome... making up for last teenage years... |
| 09:28.24 | TuRK_MaN | Thanx |
| 09:28.56 | mhall | LoneWlf the great thing about being a sysadmin is you get to get fancy computers with OPM |
| 09:29.03 | mhall | LoneWlf Other People's Money |
| 09:29.17 | LoneWlf | mhall : yeah... that is nice... |
| 09:29.27 | egaMad | Can anyone help me getting this function working? It's my first so should be an easy thing for you hardcore types. ;) |
| 09:29.29 | mhall | LoneWlf the great thing about teaching sysadminning is June, July, and August |
| 09:29.30 | kruzi | anyone know a good samba howto, the main one is horrible? |
| 09:29.45 | mhall | kruzi get an O'Reilly book? |
| 09:29.59 | LoneWlf | mhall : but if you'll notice... the back of each bill says "federal reserve note" loosely translated, United States owes federal reserve this much cash, it's all other people's money :P |
| 09:30.04 | mhall | kruzi try the huge collection of FAQs at samba.org and see if they have links |
| 09:30.06 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: the main one *is* the ORA book |
| 09:30.24 | mhall | scarynetworkguy /me is confused now |
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| 09:30.34 | kruzi | nod. |
| 09:30.38 | mhall | scarynetworkguy i'm not a big samba user, how does this work |
| 09:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: what? |
| 09:30.47 | ElNooboStupido | will someone please help me with mkinitrd - I cant seem to get any of the kernels to boot |
| 09:30.55 | mhall | scarynetworkguy the documentation |
| 09:31.15 | mhall | scarynetworkguy i know what samba does but i don't see what you mean about the ORA book being the main samba howto |
| 09:31.30 | mhall | scarynetworkguy i thought the main samba howto on their site was written by the samba project |
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| 09:31.41 | mhall | scarynetworkguy and that the ORA book was written by some sysadmin |
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| 09:31.55 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: go look up the ORA book and read about it |
| 09:32.06 | kruzi | im running woody now, how long do most people think it will be to its no longer considered stable? |
| 09:32.14 | kruzi | and that, uhm i think sarge its called will be? |
| 09:32.23 | mhall | scarynetworkguy ok, i'll pull it up on safari later and comprehend it then |
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| 09:32.58 | mhall | kruzi sarge will come out Real Soon Now (TM) |
| 09:33.19 | kruzi | hmm ive got some time i wonder if i should upgrade my home server |
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| 09:33.20 | kruzi | its non production |
| 09:33.24 | kruzi | just to see how it goes |
| 09:33.51 | mhall | kruzi back up stuff first |
| 09:33.53 | kruzi | all i do to update is change my apt.sources list to testing and apt-get update then apt-get upgrade right? |
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| 09:34.09 | LoneWlf | well I guess I'm off to bed, have good morning and a good day... stuff and things... |
| 09:34.22 | mhall | kruzi yeah change sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:34.28 | kruzi | nod |
| 09:34.34 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: Ok you're right. It used to be that the Samba project used the ORA book as their main source of doc that seems to have changed |
| 09:34.37 | mhall | LoneWlf later |
| 09:34.47 | mhall | scarynetworkguy alright |
| 09:35.01 | mhall | scarynetworkguy they must have done this after i started using their docs |
| 09:35.02 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: at least IIRC |
| 09:35.06 | kruzi | what happens when debian people change stable to testing, surely there is a grace period e.g. if i set my sources.list to testing the moment sarge becomes stable i wont then download the new testing etc etc right? |
| 09:35.13 | mhall | scarynetworkguy cause i never knew it to be different from how it is now |
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| 09:35.21 | mhall | scarynetworkguy i really really don't use samba much |
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| 09:35.53 | mhall | scarynetworkguy most of the reason i know about any of it is because of using the netfilter howto hosted on samba's site |
| 09:35.57 | Guerin-BMF | hehe |
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| 09:36.05 | Guerin-BMF | lonewlf's quit is clever |
| 09:36.15 | mhall | scarynetworkguy and i recalled they had a substantial collection of info |
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| 09:36.29 | mhall | Guerin-BMF hmm you logged in from windows? |
| 09:36.38 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: sad but true |
| 09:36.46 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: however could you tell? |
| 09:36.48 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: yeah they do if I cared I'd go read. in any case the book from ORA is free and free |
| 09:36.58 | mhall | Guerin-BMF hehe, ~admini$tr@... |
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| 09:37.10 | kruzi | what happens when debian people change stable to testing, surely there is a grace period e.g. if i set my sources.list to testing the moment sarge becomes stable i wont then download the new testing etc etc right? |
| 09:37.11 | Guerin-BMF | yeah, well |
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| 09:37.14 | mhall | Guerin-BMF what you gonna do when adminz0r gets h4x3d? |
| 09:37.18 | Guerin-BMF | pwn me if j00 c4n |
| 09:37.24 | Guerin-BMF | nothing |
| 09:37.30 | Guerin-BMF | boss's computer |
| 09:37.37 | mhall | Guerin-BMF haha |
| 09:37.43 | The_Vulture | kruzi: you should have "sarge" in your sources, not "testing" or "stable" ideally |
| 09:37.48 | Guerin-BMF | I've warned him a hundred times that having a w98se box as your network gateway is pure madness |
| 09:37.50 | mhall | Guerin-BMF i named my wifi network HACK_ME |
| 09:37.53 | The_Vulture | sarge stays sarge |
| 09:37.53 | Guerin-BMF | but does he listen? |
| 09:37.55 | saintiss | is there a way to play itunes (m4a) files on debian? |
| 09:38.01 | kruzi | oh |
| 09:38.02 | kruzi | ok |
| 09:38.07 | Guerin-BMF | !sarge upgrade path |
| 09:38.08 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 09:38.08 | kruzi | set it as sarge |
| 09:38.11 | kruzi | atm i have stable |
| 09:38.14 | dragon_ | hi, does someone know how to change charset in irssi ? |
| 09:38.19 | mhall | Guerin-BMF i might rename it to H4X_ME |
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| 09:38.31 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: h4x_m3 |
| 09:38.40 | The_Vulture | kruzi: then you probably want it set to "woody".. |
| 09:38.54 | mhall | Guerin-BMF i haven't decided whether i want to attract k1dd135, curious users, or the hardcore elite crackers |
| 09:38.55 | kruzi | nah im going to goto sarge now |
| 09:38.57 | kruzi | :) |
| 09:39.00 | The_Vulture | rightio |
| 09:39.08 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: decisions, decisions |
| 09:39.18 | mhall | Guerin-BMF the trick to insecure APs is marketing them properly to your target attacker audience |
| 09:39.28 | mhall | Guerin-BMF kind of like a cheap ghetto honeypot |
| 09:39.38 | Guerin-BMF | dragon_: I bet the people who wrote the documentation in /usr/share/doc/irssi do |
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| 09:39.53 | mhall | Guerin-BMF then sit around and try to sniff the traffic and get a hold of one of their 1337 0day exploits |
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| 09:40.07 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: yeah, it's hard with linux machines. With windows it's so easy it ain't really a challenge |
| 09:40.26 | Guerin-BMF | and where's the fun in thatx0r? |
| 09:40.28 | mhall | Guerin-BMF i dunno, brk() on debian.org wasn't so tough |
| 09:40.50 | mhall | Guerin-BMF sniff an account and blast through with that amazing kernel hole |
| 09:41.10 | faxo | do you know how to burn with k3b N |
| 09:41.11 | faxo | N |
| 09:41.13 | faxo | ? |
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| 09:41.31 | Guerin-BMF | faxo: I bet the people in #kde do. |
| 09:41.31 | spoofer | faxo: yes |
| 09:41.40 | mhall | Guerin-BMF i found a fun proof of concept and rebooted my friend's server i had an account on, he freaked out for a sec until i showed it to him |
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| 09:41.52 | faxo | Guerin, or the people under kde |
| 09:42.02 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: not that recently-slashdotted fpu exception? |
| 09:42.07 | faxo | spoofer, do you know how to attribute rights for cdrdao ? |
| 09:42.11 | mhall | well alright it's 2.36 and i have to get up at 7.30 |
| 09:42.20 | Guerin-BMF | faxo: wel, it is a kind of domination, so yes, one could be "under" it |
| 09:42.21 | mhall | past time for sleep i believe |
| 09:42.25 | mhall | good night to all |
| 09:42.30 | faxo | spoofer, i have a message saying permissions problems when trying to burn an image |
| 09:42.30 | Guerin-BMF | mhall: g'night |
| 09:42.43 | mhall | Guerin-BMF no brk was a pretty old one, that's what the proof of concept came from |
| 09:42.48 | mhall | ttyl everyone |
| 09:42.53 | faxo | Guerin, true |
| 09:42.53 | mhall | don't get h4x3d |
| 09:43.04 | faxo | get sp4nked |
| 09:43.05 | QUACH-VU | someone know which command to know the pid of running process? i type PS but there no info |
| 09:43.13 | bob2 | pidof. |
| 09:43.16 | QUACH-VU | caus i just want to kill some provess |
| 09:43.22 | bob2 | then use pkill. |
| 09:43.27 | dondelelcaro | or killall |
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| 09:43.35 | bob2 | but not on solaris |
| 09:43.39 | spoofer | faxo: now I don't now sorry but this question is certainly answers on the K3B website.. |
| 09:43.47 | QUACH-VU | i use debian |
| 09:43.54 | bob2 | then use pkill |
| 09:43.59 | QUACH-VU | i type PIDOF but there is nothing |
| 09:44.08 | bob2 | then type it correctly |
| 09:44.17 | bob2 | "pidof" is not the same as PIDOF. |
| 09:44.36 | spoofer | and type the name of the prog after example: pidof gaim |
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| 09:44.49 | Guerin-BMF | QUACH-VU: you coult\d practice that on your nick |
| 09:45.05 | Guerin-BMF | QUACH-VU: the whole "case sensitive" thing, I mean |
| 09:45.10 | QUACH-VU | oh thanks |
| 09:45.32 | QUACH-VU | server8324611496:~# pidof dctc |
| 09:45.32 | QUACH-VU | 10310 10309 10308 10307 10298 |
| 09:45.35 | QUACH-VU | so many pid |
| 09:45.38 | QUACH-VU | which one is true? |
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| 09:46.01 | Mr_Smoke | damnit |
| 09:46.05 | Guerin-BMF | QUACH-VU: try them all, but likely the lowest |
| 09:46.13 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: sorry, getting back to you re'ing that pkg rebuild story |
| 09:46.31 | QUACH-VU | Guerin yo know dctc ? |
| 09:46.38 | Guerin-BMF | QUACH-VU: no |
| 09:46.42 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: is there a way to know which options were used in the ./configure statement used to build a binary pkg ? |
| 09:46.45 | QUACH-VU | ok thx |
| 09:46.50 | Guerin-BMF | !thx |
| 09:46.50 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 09:46.53 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: there are 5 copies of it running |
| 09:46.57 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: cuz I just need to add one, but would like to keep debian's |
| 09:46.58 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: no |
| 09:47.02 | faxo | spoofer, thanks :) |
| 09:47.03 | Mr_Smoke | argh :/ |
| 09:47.16 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: as I've said twice now, *edit the debian source package* |
| 09:47.23 | Guerin-BMF | Mr_Smoke: download the source package and look at how it's configured |
| 09:47.26 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: then just add the one item you care about |
| 09:47.26 | Guerin-BMF | yeah |
| 09:47.27 | Slartibartfast | I have just finished using xconfig and am ready to build the kernel, however when I use the command "make bzimage" I get the response "no rule to make target 'bzimage'" can anyone help me? |
| 09:47.43 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: that is exactly what I'm doing right now (i've got the source package righ in front of me) |
| 09:47.43 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: spell it correctly, bzImage |
| 09:47.46 | Guerin-BMF | Slartibartfast: usemake-kpkg |
| 09:47.55 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: the *Debian* source package? |
| 09:48.02 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: and if you don't know, then say so |
| 09:48.11 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: well, this is what you get when you apt-get source isn't it ? |
| 09:48.20 | Slartibartfast | oh right its case sensitive "DUH" |
| 09:48.35 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: yes. so edit debian/rules and add the single option you want |
| 09:48.51 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: debian/rules is the script that is run to build the binary .deb |
| 09:49.27 | Ancillius | does anyone have a suggestion for a heavy load monochrome laser printer? (money does not play a role) |
| 09:49.41 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: Aah. now *THAT* was what I was looking for. Sorry i explained it so poorly :) |
| 09:49.43 | Guerin-BMF | Ancillius: the most expensive one you can find |
| 09:49.44 | bob2 | Ancillius: I hear those xerox beasts do the job |
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| 09:49.53 | Guerin-BMF | since money is irrelevant |
| 09:49.58 | Phated | Guerin-BMF: Oh, nice. :) |
| 09:50.17 | Ancillius | Guerin-BMF: well, money plays no role, but still quality and speed do! |
| 09:50.20 | QUACH-VU | i cant use pkill pid to kill |
| 09:50.27 | QUACH-VU | it still running |
| 09:50.32 | Ancillius | so ill check xerox |
| 09:50.32 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: please read what I said |
| 09:50.38 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: you use "pkill <processname>" |
| 09:50.41 | bob2 | not the PID. |
| 09:50.48 | QUACH-VU | thx |
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| 09:50.50 | Slartibartfast | bob2: thanks, it people like you that make linux rock |
| 09:50.50 | Guerin-BMF | Ancillius: it probably follows that the most expensive one is the best and fastest |
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| 09:51.09 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 09:51.19 | bob2 | Slartibartfast: hah |
| 09:51.25 | Slartibartfast | hopefully the kernel im compiling will let me use sound, or at least wont make my sytem unbootable |
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| 09:51.48 | QUACH-VU | server8324611496:~# pidof dctc |
| 09:51.48 | QUACH-VU | 10310 10309 10308 10307 10298 |
| 09:51.48 | QUACH-VU | server8324611496:~# pkill dctc |
| 09:51.48 | QUACH-VU | server8324611496:~# pidof dctc |
| 09:51.48 | QUACH-VU | 10310 10309 10308 10307 10298 |
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| 09:51.52 | Guerin-BMF | Slartibartfast: like the man says, if it compiles, it's good; if it boots it's perfect. |
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| 09:51.56 | QUACH-VU | nothing change |
| 09:52.07 | QUACH-VU | when i use pkill dctc |
| 09:52.12 | QUACH-VU | dctc is a process |
| 09:52.14 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: that's nice |
| 09:52.21 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: do not crapflood this channel again |
| 09:52.26 | Guerin-BMF | QUACH-VU: use kill -9 10310 10309 10308 10307 10298 |
| 09:52.29 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: try using -9 |
| 09:52.39 | QUACH-VU | yup |
| 09:52.48 | bob2 | talk to your sysadmin. |
| 09:53.05 | Guerin-BMF | (this is the bit where he says he IS the sysadmin) |
| 09:53.09 | lemmit | anyone familiar with X? I cannot get keyboard layout switching to work |
| 09:53.20 | SlayerXP | lemmit: what's X ? |
| 09:53.24 | lemmit | XFree86 |
| 09:53.44 | QUACH-VU | kill -9 is working |
| 09:53.45 | QUACH-VU | :) |
| 09:53.48 | valdyn | lemmit: "dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 09:53.50 | Slartibartfast | Its really amazing how well linux multitasks, long live linux! |
| 09:54.06 | lemmit | valdyn: it's more complicated |
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| 09:54.39 | lemmit | valdyn: I have a bunch on X-terms and everything works, but not setxkbmap :( |
| 09:55.02 | Ancillius | bob2: any expiriences with Xerox and Linux? I think they are using magicfilter here... |
| 09:55.12 | bob2 | Ancillius: no, sorry. |
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| 10:05.29 | Hyper | Anyone knows how to create a mx record using mysql table, iam using bind9.2.2 with a patch 2 support mysql. All other record works. The homepage for the project is: http://gw.netbastards.org/bm/ |
| 10:05.56 | bob2 | are you going to explain how the obvious doesn't work? |
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| 10:10.41 | wombachi | why debian's aide.conf does check logfiles too (/var/log)? |
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| 10:11.09 | bob2 | because they'll change every second? |
| 10:11.22 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: how come debian/rules has *no* configure options ? is this normal ? starts right off with make -f |
| 10:11.40 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: it's a makefile |
| 10:11.49 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: it gets run, and it runs configure make whatever else |
| 10:11.52 | wombachi | bob2: dont logs change too much for they integrity to be checked? |
| 10:11.53 | bob2 | read the whole thing |
| 10:12.05 | bob2 | wombachi: I'd have thought so |
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| 10:12.41 | Uniball | guys, which package has e2initrd_helper ? packages.debian.org is down :| |
| 10:12.43 | wombachi | bob2: perhaps I should file a bug against aide? |
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| 10:13.00 | bob2 | Uniball: no it's not |
| 10:13.06 | bob2 | wombachi: if you feel strongly about it |
| 10:13.12 | bob2 | !+find e2initrd |
| 10:13.18 | Uniball | bob2: can't access it from here |
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| 10:13.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'e2initrd' returned no results. |
| 10:13.28 | covux | hi. are the kernel-image packages i get with apt-get compiled from vanilla kernel-sources or from patched ones? if patched where can i read more about patches? thx |
| 10:13.36 | bob2 | Uniball: your network is broken then... |
| 10:13.49 | bob2 | that file doesn't seem to be in Debian |
| 10:13.57 | Uniball | bob2: so it's broken |
| 10:13.57 | bob2 | covux: patched, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-iimage-whatever/ |
| 10:14.14 | Uniball | bob2: mkinitrd complains about it |
| 10:14.15 | covux | bob2: thx |
| 10:14.25 | engelsen | I@m trying to run lilo but get this fatal: open /boot/boot.b: no such file or directory |
| 10:14.46 | bob2 | engelsen: fix your lilo.conf so that it doesn't try to access that file |
| 10:14.57 | valdyn | !find boot.b |
| 10:14.58 | bob2 | Uniball: ok. |
| 10:15.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'boot.b' (5 shown): (/boot/redboot/redboot.bin) in admin/redboot ;; (/usr/share/qemu/linux_boot.bin) in misc/qemu ;; (/usr/lib/mit-scheme/SRC/runtime/boot.bci) in devel/mit-scheme ;; (/usr/share/doc/axiom-doc/src/interp/g-boot.boot.dvi.gz) in math/axiom-doc ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/yaboot/ofboot.b, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/sarge/yaboot/ofboot.b) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 10:15.07 | peterS | valdyn: it's in lilo, but not in unstable / sarge |
| 10:15.28 | Uniball | bob2: thanks anyway ;) |
| 10:15.30 | peterS | valdyn: newer versions of lilo have the contents of boot.b basically built into lilo itself, so the separate file is no longer needed |
| 10:15.38 | peterS | valdyn: just comment out the line that refers to it, in lilo.conf |
| 10:15.47 | peterS | the "install=/boot/boot.b" line |
| 10:16.18 | peterS | it never was needed - that was always the default location for the 'install=' parameter |
| 10:16.33 | phanter | hello there, I have this problem that I am short of inodes in my reiser partition. So I need to reformat it with more inodes or smething. I do not know how, or where I can get more info about this |
| 10:16.37 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: right, sorry but this is new to me. I'm only used to makefiles that are generated by a ./configure |
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| 10:16.57 | engelsen | bob2: Im in runlevel2 but the error come even though I remove install =/boot/boot.b |
| 10:17.09 | bob2 | engelsen: your run level has nothing to do with anything |
| 10:17.11 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: is it right that this debian/rules also calls ./configure ? |
| 10:17.16 | bob2 | phanter: no, reiser has infinite inodes |
| 10:17.29 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: debian/rules does *everything* to build the package |
| 10:17.37 | valdyn | engelsen: read what peterS told me |
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| 10:18.21 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: ok, so my problem now is : *where* does it call the configure script, and as a consequence, where to add my "confflags +=" line. there is not a single "config" in the whole file :( |
| 10:18.34 | tarzeau | if i have no framebuffer in console (i386). how can i turn it on? say w/ default kernel of debian version: 2.4.25-1-386 . do i need a reboot or can this be done at run-time? |
| 10:18.39 | phanter | bob2: maybe you are right, but I get an out-of-disk error and df tells me I have 45% disk space left and df -i tells me there are no inodes left... why is this if it has infinite inodes? What am I doing wrong ? |
| 10:19.25 | engelsen | valdyn: I guess my lilo is to old then ? |
| 10:19.35 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: then it's not calling ./configure |
| 10:19.39 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: or it's using cdbs |
| 10:19.55 | bob2 | phanter: no idea |
| 10:20.06 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: right, it says something about cdbs indeed. I'll see what these look like... |
| 10:20.22 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: then you need to read /usr/share/doc/cdbs/manual.html or so |
| 10:20.34 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: ok thanks for the pointer |
| 10:20.52 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: you could just ask the maintainer to add whatever option it is y ou want |
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| 10:21.08 | Mr_Smoke | looks like i dont have that cdbs thing duh |
| 10:21.13 | Mr_Smoke | time for aptget |
| 10:21.22 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: apt-get build-dep whatever_source |
| 10:21.28 | bob2 | you need *all* the build-deps |
| 10:21.41 | Mr_Smoke | ok |
| 10:21.41 | engelsen | bob2: can I start with a different kernel from runlevel 2 ? |
| 10:21.42 | phanter | I have a reiserfs partition, i get an -out-of-disk error. df tells me that 45% of the disk is free and df -i tells me that there are no inodes left. How is this possible ? |
| 10:21.52 | bob2 | engelsen: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 10:22.28 | trogger | engelsen: kernel is one of the few things you need to reboot for... |
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| 10:22.39 | engelsen | bob2: cause my kernel panic and got me into this mess... So Im basically trying to reboot the old kernel |
| 10:22.41 | cartman | !kexec |
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| 10:22.49 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: whoa thanks, makes a lot more sense (as opposed to mandrake, I realize that now) |
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| 10:23.38 | engelsen | trogger: can I boot with install cd and tell which image to use when I@m unable to change lilo |
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| 10:24.23 | trogger | engelsen: I don't have experience with lilo in particular, but you should be able to type commands directly into your bootloader at boot time... |
| 10:24.31 | phanter | I just recreated the reiserfs partition, do I need to format it (and how can I do this)? |
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| 10:25.32 | Sirius_Black | guys, just a quick question (I hope). How do i remove all of the X stuff, i.e. I wanna end up with an X-less machine |
| 10:25.55 | jm_ | remove xlibs |
| 10:26.04 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: Sorry I feel the insane urge to thank you again : /usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs.html has a paragraph that *just* deals with Customization in extenso :) |
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| 10:26.06 | Sirius_Black | jm_ - anything else? |
| 10:26.16 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: heh |
| 10:26.27 | bob2 | Mr_Smoke: cdbs is pretty nifty, but not very qell documented |
| 10:26.32 | capitol | phanter: Inodes are sort of pointers that keep track of files and folders, if you create a large number of small files you could run out of inodes but not physical disk area |
| 10:26.51 | jm_ | Sirius_Black: that shall do the job |
| 10:27.07 | Sirius_Black | jm_ - tnx |
| 10:27.12 | phanter | capitol: I know, but there are people who tell me that it is imposible to run out of those things when using reiserfs |
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| 10:28.04 | capitol | phanter: ahh, I see.. i havn't looked inte reiserfs... |
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| 10:29.10 | phanter | If i make a partition with cfdisk, do I need to format it afterwards ? |
| 10:29.25 | trogger | phanter: you only need to create the relevant filesystem on it... |
| 10:29.34 | trogger | e.g. mke2fs |
| 10:29.41 | trogger | or mkreiserfs |
| 10:30.18 | Slartibartfast | can anyone tell me what the differences between ext3 and reiser are? |
| 10:30.57 | trogger | Slartibartfast: reiserfs is theoretically faster |
| 10:31.05 | Slartibartfast | oh man! |
| 10:31.09 | Slartibartfast | oh well |
| 10:31.10 | trogger | Slartibartfast: particularly for smaller files |
| 10:31.31 | trogger | Slartibartfast: but at the end of the day, for most 'average' people it makes little difference |
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| 10:31.50 | Slartibartfast | but I wNt those extra kb's! |
| 10:31.53 | engelsen | my problem with lilo started with a kernel panic, /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console |
| 10:32.02 | trogger | Slartibartfast: I have run both ext3 and reiser extensively myself, and noticed no perceptible difference... |
| 10:32.21 | bob2 | engelsen: your disk is corrupt or your root= setting is wrong |
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| 10:33.05 | yosi | I would like to install openttd, a game which needs sdl, i have installed libsdl-all with apt-get. but it still sais i don't have sdl installed. any sugestions? |
| 10:33.23 | trogger | Slartibartfast: the choice of fs comes down to what type of access you want to be fast, too... ext2 is actually faster than ext3 / reiser for long, continuous writes - just pick one and smile ;) |
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| 10:33.43 | engelsen | bob2: ok, but then I have to edit lilo.conf to fix it or is it any other option to change it |
| 10:33.47 | bob2 | yosi: install the -dev packages |
| 10:33.51 | capitol | yosi: install the -dev version maybe |
| 10:33.52 | sim_ | hello, how to measure what the total size is of your ext2/ext3 filesystem? |
| 10:33.53 | bob2 | engelsen: just unfuck whatever you did |
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| 10:34.04 | yosi | okaj, thanjs |
| 10:34.05 | yosi | thanks* |
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| 10:34.50 | adughep | how can i make the internet to work in a subnet with iptables? |
| 10:35.06 | peterS | sim_: either use 'dumpe2fs' or mount it and use 'df' |
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| 10:35.21 | engelsen | bob2: pivot_root: no such file or directory is just before the error I just gave you, hmm unfuck yes , I wish I knew. I just installed apt-get install kernel-image.@ |
| 10:35.54 | bob2 | engelsen: no, that is not all you did |
| 10:35.56 | trogger | engelsen: as a side issue, I find grub a lot more straightforward than lilo... |
| 10:36.17 | yosi | do I have to reboot aftern? |
| 10:36.17 | engelsen | bob2: I editet lilo yes |
| 10:36.24 | bob2 | exactly |
| 10:36.33 | bob2 | yosi: no |
| 10:36.46 | adughep | how can i make the internet to work in a subnet with iptables?please |
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| 10:37.04 | yosi | still won't work... |
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| 10:37.17 | notPoncha | adughep, you mean you have one box that should provide access to others? |
| 10:37.20 | phanter | I just repartitioned a hdd. It contains a reiserfs and a swap partition. The writing to disk was performed without a problem. If I try to mount it afterwards it tells me that smethhing is wrong and it cannot be mounted. fstab is correct. |
| 10:37.24 | adughep | yes |
| 10:37.30 | sim_ | peterS: checked that, but which field gives me the total size the filesystem occupies? |
| 10:37.33 | Mr_Smoke | bob2: it worked flawleslly =) my new problem is with the program itself now (hal to be precise) but I'm gonna ask @ #freedesktop. Thanks for your patience ! |
| 10:37.34 | trogger | phanter: what's the error message? |
| 10:37.45 | notPoncha | adughep, you need NAT , just a sec, will look for exact syntax for rules |
| 10:37.46 | adughep | notPoncha :yes |
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| 10:37.55 | adughep | okey |
| 10:37.58 | sim_ | peterS: dumpe2fs that is |
| 10:38.05 | peterS | sim_: I do not know |
| 10:38.13 | sim_ | peterS: :-) |
| 10:38.21 | peterS | sim_: so we have two choices. I could RTFM and try it and guess, or you could RTFM and try it and guess |
| 10:38.30 | peterS | sim_: I'd just as soon you did it |
| 10:38.48 | phanter | the errormessage is: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1, or to many mounted filesystems. |
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| 10:39.17 | complex | Extract all lines that have the string "the" and the string "xyz" in them (hint: pipe) |
| 10:39.29 | complex | can someone help me answer that |
| 10:39.30 | Sirius_Black | guys - which file holds dns information, i.e. which file i need to edit to add dns entry please |
| 10:39.37 | trogger | phanter: did you create filesystems on the relevant partitions? |
| 10:39.44 | trogger | Sirius_Black: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:39.49 | cartman | complex: is that your homework? |
| 10:39.50 | Sirius_Black | trogger - cheers mate |
| 10:39.52 | trogger | Sirius_Black: or /etc/hosts |
| 10:39.56 | complex | yeah 1 question |
| 10:39.57 | sim_ | peterS: i used the source luke! :-) i try to shrink a LVM based ext3 filesystem |
| 10:39.58 | complex | please answer :) |
| 10:40.05 | complex | thats all I ask |
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| 10:40.11 | phanter | trogger: how do I do this. I used cfdisk to partition it. |
| 10:40.14 | peterS | sim_: what you may wish to do is use e2fsadm |
| 10:40.15 | notPoncha | adughep, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <external interface here> -j MASQUERADE |
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| 10:40.24 | trogger | phanter: mkreiserfs /dev/hd?? |
| 10:40.29 | peterS | sim_: that's a small wrapper program around resize2fs and lvextend / lvreduce |
| 10:40.32 | cartman | complex: extract from where? |
| 10:40.33 | sim_ | peterS: i'm not on LVM1 anymore :-( |
| 10:40.42 | complex | from a text file cartman |
| 10:40.47 | Phated | complex: cat <file> | grep the | grep xyz > <newfile> |
| 10:40.48 | peterS | sim_: does lvm2 not provide e2fsadm, then? |
| 10:41.03 | adughep | nonPoncha i write this but the internet didnt work iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 10:41.05 | sim_ | peterS: correct, not yet. |
| 10:41.08 | cartman | complex: cat textfile|grep the |
| 10:41.30 | Phated | peterS: Very well. :) |
| 10:41.35 | notPoncha | adughep, is eth0 your *external* interface ? |
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| 10:41.47 | phanter | trogger: i think that i indeed forgot that ;-) thnx |
| 10:41.48 | adughep | i got two etho |
| 10:41.55 | adughep | one eth1 and eth0 |
| 10:41.58 | cartman | peterS: :) |
| 10:42.04 | peterS | sim_: anyway, you *can* install lvm10, which will provide e2fsadm, and it should work |
| 10:42.06 | Sirius_Black | trogger - after i edit /etc/resolv.conf, do i need to restart 'something'? |
| 10:42.06 | adughep | i put eth0 for local |
| 10:42.13 | notPoncha | adughep, parameter after "-o" is external one |
| 10:42.20 | peterS | sim_: since it just calls those other programs - it doesn't implement anything internally |
| 10:42.27 | sim_ | peterS: with upgraded metadata? i dont think so. |
| 10:42.31 | trogger | Sirius_Black: nope - but just checking /etc/resolv.conf is for nameservers etc, just whack an entry in /etc/hosts for a simple alias type thing |
| 10:42.32 | notPoncha | adughep, also, forgot to tell you something... you need also : echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 10:42.46 | adughep | i put eth0 there sould i put eth1? |
| 10:42.48 | peterS | sim_: e2fsadm doesn't do its own work, it just calls those other programs. if those other programs work, e2fsadm should work |
| 10:42.51 | complex | List all the files in your current directory whose names end in "p" |
| 10:42.53 | complex | thats the last one |
| 10:42.54 | complex | please :P |
| 10:42.55 | adughep | yes i didnt that ip_forward |
| 10:42.58 | peterS | sim_: but I understand your reluctance to try it |
| 10:43.07 | peterS | complex: do your own homework |
| 10:43.08 | Sirius_Black | trogger - yeah i need to add a nameserver Ip address |
| 10:43.12 | notPoncha | adughep, i don't know... which of these two is connected to the outside world? put that one in iptables line |
| 10:43.15 | sim_ | peterS: i looked at the source of e2fsadm, it checks the /etc/lvmtab directory, which isn't there anymore. |
| 10:43.28 | adughep | to outside is eth1 |
| 10:43.29 | peterS | whyever would it do that? oh well, never mind then |
| 10:43.33 | Phated | complex: Well, avoiding the use of cat, you can always do... grep the <file> | grep xyz > newfile |
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| 10:43.39 | notPoncha | adughep, ok, then use eth1 with -o |
| 10:43.46 | complex | I dont mind |
| 10:43.49 | trogger | Sirius_Black: then add a line 'nameserver 192.168.0.5' or whatever to your /etc/resolv.conf, and it should work immediately |
| 10:43.51 | complex | just lastly: List all the files in your current directory whose names end in "p" |
| 10:43.54 | complex | ls what |
| 10:43.55 | adughep | hm k i put eth0 first i would change it |
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| 10:44.01 | peterS | Phated: see, wasn't that better? you have to admit it's kind of neat to say "grep the file" and be referring to a literal command invocation |
| 10:44.11 | Sirius_Black | trogger - tnx dude |
| 10:44.17 | Phated | peterS: Yessir, it is, yessir. |
| 10:44.26 | sim_ | peterS: i tought of the following approach: shrink with resize2fs, measure size, shrink the LV to that size. |
| 10:44.41 | helloyo | synaptic (and apt-get) is broken, any ideas? files list file for package `docbook-xml' is missing final newline |
| 10:44.46 | peterS | complex: please don't ask people to do your homework for you |
| 10:44.49 | complex | lol |
| 10:44.52 | complex | its my last question |
| 10:44.52 | complex | please |
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| 10:45.01 | peterS | complex: please don't ask people to do your homework for you |
| 10:45.03 | Phated | complex: You suck. |
| 10:45.11 | peterS | complex: I don't care if it's your last question, your first question, or your only question |
| 10:45.17 | adughep | nonPoncha it didnt work |
| 10:45.28 | Phated | God, would I love to get homework like that. |
| 10:45.35 | nomeata | Is there an alternative for su, one that does not require double escaping, or how do I double-escale "$@" or how do I change the current user within a shell? |
| 10:45.38 | peterS | complex: the least you can do is be *honest* about what you are doing, and offer an actual bribe |
| 10:45.56 | adughep | on iptables -L i got only one accepted |
| 10:45.57 | Phated | peterS: Damn. We should have thought of that before answering the first one... |
| 10:46.01 | notPoncha | adughep, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:46.03 | jm_ | nomeata: just fire up a new one : zsh<enter> |
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| 10:46.16 | notPoncha | adughep, still nothing with this? |
| 10:46.18 | peterS | Phated: indeed. he admitted up front that this was his homework. someone should have gotten a fee from him |
| 10:46.30 | Phated | peterS: True. Oh well. |
| 10:46.33 | complex | lol its my last |
| 10:46.36 | complex | u can kick me if its not |
| 10:46.38 | peterS | complex: you said that already |
| 10:46.39 | notPoncha | adughep, do you get any errors/warnings from iptables or that echo ? |
| 10:46.39 | complex | List all the files in your current directory whose names end in "p" |
| 10:46.44 | complex | you can kick me if its not |
| 10:46.49 | complex | ls |
| 10:46.50 | peterS | complex: I do not care. it's still your homework and you still shouldn't ask other people to do it for you |
| 10:46.51 | djg | Anyone know how to remove mounted filesystems from the desktop in gnome? I asked on #gnome, but it's a bit quiet. |
| 10:46.58 | adughep | okey but i put some iptables -A there befor souldn i use iptables -D(delete) chain first? |
| 10:47.08 | sim_ | complex: find `/bin/pwd` | grep '*p' | tail -1 |
| 10:47.11 | notPoncha | adughep, iptables -F |
| 10:47.12 | djg | I just need to be pointed at the right config file really.. |
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| 10:47.14 | nomeata | jm_: thing is, I write a wrapper script, that is supposed to su to another user, fiddle with the options and then pass them on to another thing. currently, I use su user -- otherthing "$@", but that fails with spaces in the opts. |
| 10:47.16 | peterS | complex: also, do not repeat a question within 2 minutes of asking it. that's very rude in here |
| 10:47.17 | adughep | okey |
| 10:47.32 | Phated | complex: Hint: grep. *HINT*: pipe. |
| 10:47.37 | peterS | ha |
| 10:47.39 | Phated | Or, hm... |
| 10:48.06 | Phated | *HINT*: REGEXPS. |
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| 10:48.18 | Phated | OK, I'm done now. You can ignore the first two hints. |
| 10:48.19 | intero | is there a dpkg entry that shows all is need to use a usb pen? |
| 10:48.37 | notPoncha | adughep, you might need specifically flush table 'nat' which is by iptables -t nat -F (default table is filter iirc) |
| 10:48.39 | jm_ | nomeata: there's a difference between "$@" and $@ |
| 10:49.19 | peterS | intero: dunno. here's what I do: load your USB host driver module (ehci_hcd for example, for USB 2.0) and load the sd_mod and usb-storage modules |
| 10:49.33 | djg | This might sound like a stupid question, but is #gnome the best place to ask questions about GNOME configuration? |
| 10:49.37 | peterS | intero: then check /proc/partitions to find out what device your pen drive actually is - typically it will be /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:49.48 | trogger | djg: yes, but here is ok too, IMO |
| 10:49.55 | nomeata | jm_: I know. What I need, though, is something like ""@"", since my shell unquotes them when I run su, and then su calls a shell which unquotes them... |
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| 10:49.58 | peterS | intero: then mount it like any other device: mkdir -p /pen; mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /pen |
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| 10:50.02 | notPoncha | ok, back2work. |
| 10:50.02 | djg | trogger: Thank you. |
| 10:50.08 | jm_ | nomeata: I don |
| 10:50.13 | jm_ | 't understant |
| 10:50.17 | jm_ | understand even |
| 10:50.28 | djg | So, anyone know how to remove the mounted filesystems from the desktop in GNOME? Is it a gconf key? |
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| 10:50.41 | trogger | djg: and re your question - use the GConf editor under desktop, gnome I think... or it might be under nautilus |
| 10:50.45 | peterS | -ting his line accidentally by hitting enter instead of ' |
| 10:50.56 | djg | trogger: OK |
| 10:50.59 | nomeata | jm_: Consider two options to my scripts are "one" "two three" |
| 10:50.59 | Phated | peterS: That's rather mean. :) |
| 10:51.00 | ricky_clarkson | Guten Tag. |
| 10:51.02 | djg | trogger: I'll take a look. |
| 10:51.06 | Phated | Oh, no. |
| 10:51.10 | peterS | Phated: jm_ is a regular, he can take it |
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| 10:51.36 | peterS | quick, someone lock out complex |
| 10:51.38 | nomeata | jm_: when I run su user -- thing "$@", my bash will call the program su with the options "user" "--" "thing" "one" "thwo three" |
| 10:51.40 | jm_ | especially after having typed sue instead of use so many times |
| 10:51.45 | adughep | nonPoncha it didnt worked |
| 10:51.58 | Phated | peterS: True, that... |
| 10:52.09 | intero | peterS: the prob is that there are no sda*, just sda and i cant mount it like that |
| 10:52.36 | Slartibartfast | im currently makin an initrd as directed by the site http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#MKINITRD and the suggested command does not work, Initially i copy and pasted the comman into the terminal when that did not work I substituted 2.6.0 with 2.6.71 (which is the version# I specified in the makefile). When I do this it simply tells me the usage options, can anyone assist me in making the initrd file? |
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| 10:52.42 | peterS | intero: some drives come preformatted *without* a partition table. thus you get sda instead of sda1 et al. you should be able to mount it anyway, using sda |
| 10:52.46 | nomeata | jm_: no su call another shell with the optinos "-c" "thing" "one" "two three", which then calls thing with options "one" "two" "three", which is not what I want |
| 10:52.54 | sim_ | intero: try cfdisk to look into partition table |
| 10:52.56 | adughep | how should i add my neighbourhood to the linux server with iptables? |
| 10:53.14 | adughep | hm lag 34 |
| 10:53.22 | djg | trogger: MMm, can't see the right option. :( |
| 10:53.26 | trogger | Slartibartfast: personally, I detest initrds! just put the necessary filesystem support into your kernel directly, rather than using modules, and worry no more... (just my opinion) |
| 10:53.43 | intero | peterS: not a valid blockdevice :'( |
| 10:53.45 | trogger | djg: it is hard to find - I managed it, once, then tried again and couldn't find it anywhere! pretty sure it is there somewhere, though. |
| 10:53.53 | djg | Hehe |
| 10:53.54 | djg | OK |
| 10:53.56 | intero | sim_: will it tell me where it is? |
| 10:54.00 | djg | I will take a longer look. |
| 10:54.06 | peterS | intero: not a valid block device? have you got all those modules loaded? usb-storage, sd_mod, and your USB host controller driver? |
| 10:54.18 | peterS | intero: to double-check: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 10:54.29 | intero | peterS: yes |
| 10:54.36 | Slartibartfast | k trogger one sec ill see if i did that |
| 10:54.52 | jm_ | nomeata: su user -- thing '"foo" "bar baz"' |
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| 10:55.17 | djg | trogger: apps > nautilus > desktop > volumes_visible |
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| 10:55.28 | trogger | djg: beautiful, nice |
| 10:55.33 | adughep | how should i add my neighbourhood to the linux server with iptables? |
| 10:55.34 | az[a]zel | anyone know of a small library/codec that can be used to play animations in games and is compatible across unix/windows/osx ? |
| 10:55.42 | djg | trogger: Thanks for your help. |
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| 10:55.51 | trogger | djg: np |
| 10:55.52 | djg | gconf is how windows registry ought to be.. |
| 10:55.58 | Slartibartfast | curses, I put it in as a module, can anyone help me with my initrd problem or should i recompile? |
| 10:56.14 | sim_ | intero: if there is no /dev/sda1 then there is no partition table. You could verify with cfdisk /dev/sda if there is a partition table or not. |
| 10:56.16 | intero | peterS: will try, thanks |
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| 10:56.26 | trogger | Slartibartfast: I would recompile - it should be much faster the second time |
| 10:56.30 | adughep | how should i add the internet tp my subnet with linux server with iptables? |
| 10:56.38 | trogger | Slartibartfast: (won't have to recompile everything) |
| 10:56.41 | Slartibartfast | I hope so, alright here we go! |
| 10:56.52 | intero | sim_: fdisk -l /dev/sda produces a list of I/O error |
| 10:56.55 | nomeata | jm_: you mean su user -- think \'$@\' ? |
| 10:57.01 | jm_ | nomeata: no |
| 10:57.21 | jm_ | nomeata: wait, are you calling su from a script ? |
| 10:57.54 | sim_ | intero: then the stick is damaged or not known to the system. look into kernel usb support , correct modules loaded? |
| 10:58.03 | nomeata | jm_: yes, thats the problem :-) |
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| 10:58.47 | Slartibartfast | ok so Im using ext3 Ive just added ext3 to the kernel instead of being a module, it should work after I go through all the steps?(exept for initrd) |
| 10:58.49 | nomeata | jm_: should be a wrapper that: changes the user, sets a "special" homedir, and prepends an option to the option list, and then calls the program |
| 10:59.00 | adughep | how should i have connection sharing with iptables? |
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| 10:59.29 | Garp | Hi |
| 10:59.31 | jm_ | nomeata: and you want to handle this in the script that calls su rather than calling this script properly or what ? |
| 10:59.32 | intero | sim_: yes. but it works with no problem on another box. |
| 10:59.34 | trogger | Slartibartfast: just checking for you |
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| 11:00.12 | Garp | Question: What does "HIGHMEM" means in kernel compilation options ? Is it useful for me ? Thanks. |
| 11:00.19 | nomeata | jm_: sorry, what do you mean by "calling properly"? |
| 11:00.27 | trogger | Slartibartfast: yep, I think so |
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| 11:00.31 | peterS | Garp: if you have more than 1 GB of memory, it might be useful |
| 11:00.33 | peterS | Garp: otherwise, not |
| 11:00.35 | loulou14 | i need cc please |
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| 11:00.51 | trogger | loulou14: apt-get install gcc ?? |
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| 11:00.59 | loulou14 | non |
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| 11:01.04 | jm_ | nomeata: you could call your script like : wrapper_script '"one" "two three"' and just pass $@ to thing in it |
| 11:01.05 | loulou14 | i need cc v carte credit |
| 11:01.07 | loulou14 | please |
| 11:01.07 | loulou14 | ? |
| 11:01.11 | Garp | peterS: otherwise not ? Because i try to use "pmdisk" patch, and there seems to be a problem with tha. |
| 11:01.26 | Garp | peterS: thanks. |
| 11:01.26 | Slartibartfast | trogger: thank keep in my mind im relativly new to linux this is my first kernel compile and am being quite cautious, but if it doesnt work i will simply re-install |
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| 11:01.36 | nomeata | jm_: unconvienient, the wrapper should behave just like the real thing |
| 11:01.44 | capitol | Garp: there is some help in the config system for the kernel |
| 11:02.24 | jm_ | nomeata: it does if you pass $@ ... |
| 11:02.28 | Garp | capitol: i used xconfig, it provides some help on options quite often, but on that one nothing... |
| 11:02.59 | nomeata | jm_: thx so far, gottag go. will continue trying later |
| 11:03.18 | capitol | Garp: I see... I have a distinct memory of reading about it in there... but maybe they changed it |
| 11:03.50 | cartman | Garp: http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl3/features-2.3-2.html |
| 11:04.12 | capitol | Garp: I think that it has to do with where border between userspace and kernelspace is |
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| 11:09.26 | Garp | thanks everybody |
| 11:10.10 | Garp | strasbourg, funny, that's the city I'm in now :) |
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| 11:10.47 | sim_ | intero: usbmgr or hotplug not running? |
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| 11:13.07 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: you french you :p |
| 11:13.33 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : welll, yes, I am |
| 11:14.02 | Mr_Smoke | and Nerim customer, all the better ;) |
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| 11:14.26 | maria | 1/win 44 |
| 11:14.30 | maria | oops |
| 11:14.36 | sphere | omg |
| 11:14.41 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : and trying to configure my new ibook G4... |
| 11:14.53 | Mr_Smoke | youch |
| 11:15.06 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : not that easy, seems |
| 11:15.22 | Mr_Smoke | indeed |
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| 11:16.17 | trogger | Garp: oooohhh nice G4 |
| 11:16.35 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : ram suspend doesnt work, disk may work, (recompling kernel for this now) |
| 11:17.17 | Mr_Smoke | aah kernel compile |
| 11:17.19 | Garp | trogger : well, I'll tell you if its nice in a few days, for now it's a lot of sweat to get it to work! |
| 11:17.21 | Mr_Smoke | haven't done that in *ages* |
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| 11:17.38 | trogger | Garp: you don't have to turn on a G4 to really like it ;) |
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| 11:18.02 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : on ibook, most default debian kernel just doesnt works. (I remember having to patch one just to get X to work) |
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| 11:18.41 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: that's not surprising, default kernels are for i386 arch, not powerpc... |
| 11:18.46 | Mr_Smoke | well, IIRC |
| 11:18.48 | Garp | trogger : right, Apple design is always nice to look at |
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| 11:19.22 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : hum, default kernel exists for many architectures, debian sport several (inbcluding ppc) |
| 11:19.33 | toresbe | Garp: And not just the package too |
| 11:20.05 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: i mean the most common. I'm not sure the netinsnt cd has ppc images, or does it ? |
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| 11:20.22 | Bogdar | hiall |
| 11:20.22 | Garp | Mr_Smoke of course thhy do |
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| 11:20.46 | Bogdar | does it possible to use some dhcp-client with alias like eth0:1 ? |
| 11:20.46 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : every single deban pkg is ported on every architec ture (if make sense of course) |
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| 11:21.11 | jm_ | Garp: no it's not |
| 11:21.32 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : net install on ibook is cool: with trhe openfirmware one doesnt even need a CD, just network. |
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| 11:21.46 | Bogdar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.47 | toresbe | Garp: Well, the mac is plain sexy :) |
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| 11:22.16 | Garp | jm_ : more precisely ? |
| 11:22.37 | chris_killer | toresbe : yeah but so expensive :p |
| 11:23.17 | chris_killer | for student :p |
| 11:23.26 | Garp | chris_killer : cheaper than PC, for what I could see |
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| 11:23.42 | chris_killer | cheaper . |
| 11:23.44 | chris_killer | ? |
| 11:23.44 | toresbe | chris_killer: Well, they're worth it. Longer life, more performance for price. |
| 11:23.45 | Garp | chris_killer : I looked at both |
| 11:23.47 | jm_ | Garp: some packages are not available on all architectures since they're architecture specific |
| 11:23.47 | chris_killer | sorry im french |
| 11:23.58 | saintiss | hi... could anyone tell me why .bash_profile isn't sourced when I open a konsole? |
| 11:24.06 | saintiss | any terminal for that matter |
| 11:24.09 | Garp | jm_: that's what I said by (if make sense) |
| 11:24.15 | adar | jm_ |
| 11:24.19 | adar | can you throw me that hotplug script? |
| 11:24.24 | adar | been waiting all night for the sucker :P |
| 11:24.24 | trogger | saintiss: because it is not ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:24.32 | jm_ | Garp: "<Garp> Mr_Smoke : every single deban pkg is ported on every architec ture" - doesn't sound that way |
| 11:24.42 | Garp | chris_killer : find my a laptop with 5 hours on battery bellow 1000 euro. |
| 11:24.44 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: what I meant is that you have to get the proper CD for your arch |
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| 11:25.09 | chris_killer | dure |
| 11:25.09 | csabo2 | any of you get openGL to work on 9800 pro? |
| 11:25.10 | chris_killer | sure |
| 11:25.13 | thomas_adam | chris_killer: That's not an excuse. :) |
| 11:25.13 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: "default" kernels as you say, is only relevant if you have them for your arch |
| 11:25.14 | Garp | jm_: the if make sense, means exactly what you said. |
| 11:25.34 | jm_ | adar: ok, I looked at it - it's very simple, /etc/hotplug/usb-storage, make it executable - mine has one line only : mount /mnt/usb |
| 11:25.38 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : ppc is supporetd by debian |
| 11:25.38 | thomas_adam | saintiss: Get Krapsole to force a login shell, then. |
| 11:25.45 | chris_killer | mas i really good but so expensive for me ! im only a small french student !! :p |
| 11:25.52 | jm_ | Garp: ahh I missed that, sorry |
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| 11:25.53 | chris_killer | -s+c |
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| 11:25.56 | thomas_adam | chris_killer: 3ft2? |
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| 11:26.05 | Garp | Mr_Smoke : of course, you dont take an ix86 install CD ;-) |
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| 11:26.14 | saintiss | trogger, thanks |
| 11:26.21 | Mr_Smoke | Garp: indeed :) |
| 11:26.21 | saintiss | thomas_adam, good point, thanks |
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| 11:26.25 | Garp | jm_: no problem. |
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| 11:26.29 | chris_killer | what thomas_adam ? |
| 11:26.43 | thomas_adam | saintiss: Or bury the hatchet with that pile of shit, and use rxvt. |
| 11:26.43 | Mr_Smoke | still, that bl00dy HAL is driving me nuts now |
| 11:26.48 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: How's life? |
| 11:26.50 | adar | jm_: so how is it invoked? how did you bind it for your specific USB camera? |
| 11:26.53 | poison | Hi, I just got my new kernel running 2.4.27-ow1 but if I do a 'top' I only see 1 cpu instead of 4 (dual intel xeon hardware) but I checked SMP support on the kernel... what could be the problem? |
| 11:26.56 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Shit. You? |
| 11:27.06 | adar | jm_: I mean how did you get hotplug to run /etc/hotplug/usb_mount when the camera is plugged in? |
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| 11:27.15 | Garp | chris_killer : I saw some very cheap transmeta machines, around 600-700 euro |
| 11:27.16 | saintiss | thomas_adam, are you suggesting rxvt handles bash login differntly? |
| 11:27.19 | adar | /etc/hotplug/usb-storage rather |
| 11:27.19 | thomas_adam | poison: See the FAQ for top, it's in there. |
| 11:27.31 | thomas_adam | saintiss: No, I am suggesting it is easier: rxvt -ls |
| 11:27.42 | jm_ | adar: it's a USB flash drive - this is all I did |
| 11:27.42 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Sort of on the up, but no women sharing my bed atm ;( |
| 11:27.43 | saintiss | thomas_adam, ah, right |
| 11:27.46 | Jaak | hey, could anyone decrypt this error for me little, nvidia-settings return this: "NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display", i would like to know what backage do i need, or whats wrong? |
| 11:27.47 | chris_killer | its again too expensive xD |
| 11:27.57 | thomas_adam | saintiss: konsole by default avoids such things. |
| 11:28.00 | Jaak | package* etc* |
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| 11:28.04 | Garp | chris_killer : look at second hand machines then. |
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| 11:28.12 | jm_ | adar: it does that by itself - I guess it can map it to one of the devices listed in usb.distmap or so |
| 11:28.13 | chris_killer | lol |
| 11:28.13 | thomas_adam | saintiss: I can't RTFM for konsole, since I refuse to install kde, so I suggest you read up. |
| 11:28.13 | poison | k |
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| 11:28.37 | Garp | chris_killer : I lost an occasion to buy a 100Mhz pentium laptot at 30 euro ;-) |
| 11:28.42 | chris_killer | ill look thx Garp |
| 11:28.49 | adar | jm_: I'm still lost though as to what to do in my case...I'm looking to run something when a USB mouse comes online, suppose I write a script to do so, how will I get hotplug to run that script when the mouse comes online? |
| 11:28.54 | chris_killer | xD |
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| 11:29.02 | saintiss | thomas_adam, no prob :) |
| 11:29.16 | adar | jm_: I don't see anything to suggest that a script file called "/etc/hotplug/usb-storage" should be automatically run by hotplug when the USB storage device comes online |
| 11:29.25 | poison | I don't see anything of top on that faq :s |
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| 11:29.34 | Garp | OK, I'll go |
| 11:29.47 | Garp | thanks everybody |
| 11:29.51 | Garp | see ya |
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| 11:30.00 | jm_ | adar: why don't you create an executable named after the module that gets inserted when the mouse is plugged in (hid or usbmouse or whatever it is) in that dir ? |
| 11:30.16 | zrg | what font is in console? |
| 11:30.17 | adar | jm_: ahh, so usb-storage is the name of the module? |
| 11:30.35 | jm_ | adar: in my case it is ;) |
| 11:30.39 | Mr_Smoke | same here |
| 11:30.48 | fdarling | does anyone know if debootstrap can also do sarge? not just woody? :-X (this is a gentoo user) |
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| 11:31.05 | adar | jm_: ok, in my case it is "usbhid", so I guess I'll make such a file and see what happens |
| 11:31.05 | toresbe | fdarling: debootstrap does all |
| 11:31.14 | jm_ | fdarling: read Sarge installation guide |
| 11:31.15 | fdarling | toresbe: cool =) |
| 11:31.22 | fdarling | jm_: ok |
| 11:31.33 | trans_err | fdarling: just change your /etc/apt/sources file |
| 11:31.34 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: and you manage to get your USB disks mounted correctly ? |
| 11:31.37 | toresbe | fdarling: Good to know you've come to your senses :) |
| 11:31.41 | toresbe | trans_err: Huh? |
| 11:31.47 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: sure, why wouldn't it mount ? |
| 11:32.03 | toresbe | trans_err: You do debootstrap [woody|sarge|sid] (mirror) |
| 11:32.21 | trans_err | toresbe: ugh- it really is too early |
| 11:32.24 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: hm, because it might be called /dev/sda1 one day and /dev/sda4 the next, for a different key with bogus partition tables (which is far too common IMHO) |
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| 11:32.36 | sim_ | peterS: tune2fs field: blockcount gives size |
| 11:32.43 | poison | finally I managed to get a good driver for my nic, but now I want to setup dhcp networking, so I apt-getted dhcp-client and put iface eth0 inet dhcp in my /etc/networking, but if I do a ifup eth0 I can't get an IP address :s |
| 11:32.53 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: not in my case it won't be |
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| 11:33.09 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: using hal+dbus too ? |
| 11:33.29 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: no, but I have control of this device, so it will stay as it is |
| 11:33.32 | toresbe | trans_err: Heh :) |
| 11:33.48 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: oh I see, that's a USB disk, not a USB key/pen/whatever then ? |
| 11:33.54 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: it is USB pen |
| 11:33.55 | toresbe | trans_err: The command is debootstrap, and then woody, sarge, or sid, and then a mirror (optional) |
| 11:34.01 | kv | Network diff between windows connect and linux w/ firefox on www.iu.nl. Reproducable with ' lynx -mime_header http://www.iu.nl/nl' which just hangs half way. What could be the cause? |
| 11:34.06 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: how many of them have you tested ? |
| 11:34.15 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: well I only have one |
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| 11:34.27 | zrg | Someone know what font console / aterm has? |
| 11:34.27 | chromate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:34.42 | trogger | zrg usually 'fixed' |
| 11:34.47 | zrg | ok |
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| 11:34.54 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: ok that explains. I suppose when you use just your own it's safe enough to create a static entry in /etc/fstab.. The problem is when you use people's key at home |
| 11:34.57 | zimnyx | i use mc as ftp client, i do ftp://username@hostname, but what if username contains char '@' ? |
| 11:35.03 | jm_ | zrg: you can of course specify a font that you prefer instead |
| 11:35.12 | zrg | i dont have any fixed :E |
| 11:35.29 | zrg | well i want that font in irc too, but here its Sans |
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| 11:35.56 | deconvolution | hi, when i try to use gnu make to compile my .tex file. It complains an error where I dont know why, could some take a look at #flood? |
| 11:36.00 | zrg | Gnome Terminal is so ugly |
| 11:36.10 | trogger | deconvolution: yep |
| 11:36.17 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: yeah I know, I had similar issue with CD burner getting a different number in cdrecord if I had inserted my USB key previously, but luckily one can use /dev/hdX nowadays |
| 11:37.11 | deconvolution | trogger: i have pasted, the problem is that I have to "make pdf" twice to get final pdf output |
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| 11:38.07 | trogger | deconvolution: as a side note, dvipdfm is much better than dvipdf, IMO ;) |
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| 11:38.12 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: right. xcdroast doesn't like it too much I think, lots of error messages when using ATAPI |
| 11:38.25 | deconvolution | trogger: thank for the advice |
| 11:38.39 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: really ? it works just like with ide-scsi for me so far |
| 11:38.50 | jm_ | but I don't use xcdroast, jsut cdrecord |
| 11:38.50 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: i mean if you use /dev/hd without scsi emu... |
| 11:38.53 | Mr_Smoke | ah you got me :) |
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| 11:39.01 | trogger | deconvolution: love the nick ;) you an elec eng? |
| 11:39.15 | jm_ | Mr_Smoke: I guess very few people still sue xcdroast, most people use k3b |
| 11:39.17 | deconvolution | trogger: imaging stuff |
| 11:39.22 | jm_ | there, managed to type sue |
| 11:39.26 | trogger | deconvolution: yes indeed |
| 11:39.28 | poison | please, how do I connect my pc to the internet (I have a dhcp router) |
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| 11:39.35 | jm_ | which is not an achievenemt by my standards ;) |
| 11:39.40 | kv | Is this the best channel for questions about TCP w/ Debian? |
| 11:39.43 | Mr_Smoke | jm_: yeah, I found out lately... looks like a nice piece of software too |
| 11:39.51 | trogger | trogger: along with great stuff like 2DFTs... |
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| 11:40.02 | RichiH | kv: dunno about best, but you can still ask |
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| 11:40.31 | kv | RichiH: I did. was: Network diff between windows connect and linux w/ firefox on www.iu.nl. Reproducable with ' lynx -mime_header http://www.iu.nl/nl' which just hangs half way. What could be the cause? |
| 11:40.42 | deconvolution | trogger: and you? |
| 11:40.49 | trogger | deconvolution: comms all the way |
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| 11:41.12 | Jaak | is AMD Duron k6 or k7 o_O im unable to find which it is |
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| 11:41.19 | jm_ | kv: ECN perhaps ? |
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| 11:41.24 | Gathond | Jaak: k7 |
| 11:41.25 | deconvolution | MIMO: sounds cool |
| 11:41.35 | Gathond | Jaak: or it is based on the k7 design anyway |
| 11:41.37 | kv | RichiH, trouble is that some sites are not working because of this (we use squid as proxy) |
| 11:42.00 | deconvolution | trogger: do you what the problem is about my make? |
| 11:42.06 | trogger | deconvolution: no, sorry |
| 11:42.17 | kv | However, direct connection (w/o proxy) from a windows box works |
| 11:42.25 | Jaak | Gathond: thanks... i hope your right :) |
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| 11:43.07 | Gathond | Jaak: if its a kernel compile there might be an option specific for duron, but I think this is the same as athlon |
| 11:44.08 | Jaak | Gathond: nvidia drivers |
| 11:44.33 | RichiH | kv: jm_ was right with suggesting ECN. google for ECN connection problem or something. it's your best bet, i think |
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| 11:44.41 | kv | jm_: no tried enabling ECN (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn) |
| 11:44.45 | jm_ | kv: /msg dpkg ecn |
| 11:44.48 | poison | I have a problem with my networking: I want to hook my pc to my local network (I'm running a dhcp server on a router that's running fine), but on my box I can't get an IP address :s |
| 11:44.54 | jm_ | kv: disable it, don't enable it |
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| 11:45.31 | wombachi | deconvolution: you need an empty line after pdf: ps: dvi: lines. And perhaps a '.PHONY: pdf ps dvi' line |
| 11:45.58 | wombachi | deconvolution: each make target needs a command as next line |
| 11:46.03 | Jaak | deamn :( |
| 11:46.06 | Jaak | ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display. |
| 11:46.20 | RichiH | kv: heh, yes. you need to _dis_able it :) |
| 11:46.21 | deconvolution | wombachi: my original file does have an empty line in between each of them |
| 11:46.23 | kv | jm_: ? what do you mean /msg ? IRC command |
| 11:46.30 | spoofer | poison: are your sure your /etc/network/interfaces is well configured? |
| 11:46.32 | Jaak | whats that now O_o |
| 11:46.39 | jm_ | kv: yes, it's a command for any half-decent IRC client |
| 11:46.40 | RichiH | kv: dpkg is a bot. yes, he means irc /msg |
| 11:46.45 | kv | jm_: it's disabled by default AFAIK |
| 11:46.55 | poison | spoofer: it says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:47.26 | deconvolution | wombachi: for some reason, they didn't appear in flood channel |
| 11:47.28 | Jaak | anyone know what package do i need? this error has been bugging me quite long |
| 11:47.29 | trogger | poison: what error message do you get with the dhcp request? |
| 11:47.38 | poison | togger: none :| |
| 11:47.56 | trogger | poison: so if you type ifup eth?, what happens? |
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| 11:48.18 | spoofer | that's correct, are you sure that the address pool on your router is well configured? did the dhcp attribution already work? |
| 11:48.21 | spoofer | poison: |
| 11:48.41 | poison | I get nothing, just my command prompt |
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| 11:48.46 | jm_ | kv: which doesn't mean it wasn't enabled on your system |
| 11:48.51 | cartman | Jaak: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 11:48.54 | wombachi | deconvolution: I use rules like '%.dvi : %.tex \n\tlatex %<' and then 'make file.dvi' |
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| 11:49.12 | cyberyo | io |
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| 11:49.26 | Jaak | oooops |
| 11:49.38 | Jaak | throw it again |
| 11:49.50 | Jaak | pressed close tab instead of copy :) |
| 11:50.06 | deconvolution | wombachi: thanks for the advice, i will try |
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| 11:50.26 | kv | jm_:cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn return 0 |
| 11:50.42 | cartman | Jaak: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 11:50.45 | Karhuton | Does the netinstall cd of woody contain ntfs support? |
| 11:50.49 | Gnea | anyone know much about tftpboot.img? i can't seem to mount it on a loop device... |
| 11:51.02 | Karhuton | Trying to troubleshoot non-booting computer that has windows on it. |
| 11:51.06 | jm_ | kv: you have ruled out one of the options then |
| 11:51.21 | Gnea | Karhuton: yes, read-only |
| 11:51.31 | Karhuton | Gnea, mountable from the console in the installer? |
| 11:51.45 | cahoot | Gnea: regular debian ircer using 'anyone'? |
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| 11:51.58 | jade | could anyone help me out I have my freshly compiled linux kernel booting but I get a kernel panic (tried to kill init or something) and a whole bunch of lines that say could not load /lib/linux2.6.71/modules.dep does that make any sense to anyone? |
| 11:52.08 | Gnea | Karhuton: if you can get the module to load, sure |
| 11:52.08 | kv | jm_: where, what kernel compile? |
| 11:52.10 | Gnea | cahoot: what's that? |
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| 11:52.11 | Karhuton | Gnea, don't you have to convert it to .iso image first? |
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| 11:52.17 | trogger | jade you need to make modules_dep |
| 11:52.17 | NoMercy | hi all |
| 11:52.26 | trogger | jade: in your /usr/src/linux |
| 11:52.30 | NoMercy | i've just installed Debian on my machine |
| 11:52.42 | trogger | NoMercy: a good move. |
| 11:52.46 | Gnea | Karhuton: it's like 1.2 meg |
| 11:52.49 | cartman | trogger: its not needed for 2.6 kernel |
| 11:52.53 | NoMercy | i've downloaded nforce chipset drivers |
| 11:52.57 | NoMercy | which is rpm |
| 11:53.08 | trogger | cartman, jade: sorry I meant make modules_install |
| 11:53.13 | jm_ | kv: well by eliminating ECN as the reason for failures |
| 11:53.18 | Gnea | Karhuton: a regular floppy image would mount to a loop device w/o a problem - but mount is asking for a filesystem type so it's nothing obvious |
| 11:53.21 | NoMercy | how to install it |
| 11:53.25 | kv | jm_: this doesn't hang for you (you get the whole page): lynx -mime_header http://www.iu.nl/nl |
| 11:53.30 | jade | ok ive done that |
| 11:53.44 | Gnea | jade: did you install module-init-tools? |
| 11:53.48 | jade | make modules_install it went throught the whole thing |
| 11:54.01 | jade | would I have to apt-get that? |
| 11:54.03 | NoMercy | trogger: could u help me out |
| 11:54.03 | Karhuton | Gbea, I thought it was a CD-image. |
| 11:54.07 | Gnea | NoMercy: apt-get install alien |
| 11:54.07 | Ancillius | how do i configure a writable directory and a user allowed to write there with vsftpd? |
| 11:54.14 | jm_ | kv: yes, got Moved Permanantly |
| 11:54.17 | Gnea | Karhuton: do you know what tftp IS? |
| 11:54.32 | jm_ | kv: but you should have used http://www.iu.nl/nl/ |
| 11:54.33 | Karhuton | Very simple ftp? |
| 11:54.34 | trogger | NoMercy: sorry, I don't have experience with nforce - other people in the room might, though... or you could try 'alien' |
| 11:54.34 | jade | its getting it |
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| 11:54.46 | wombachi | tftp : trivial ftp |
| 11:54.51 | poison | if I do a ifdown eth0 I get /var/run/dhclient.pid: No such file or directory |
| 11:54.54 | jade | thanks I hope this works |
| 11:54.55 | peterS | Karhuton: no. a different file transfer protocol which has nothing in common with FTP except the name |
| 11:55.00 | ra` | Hello, I've downloaded the sarge dvd iso, I'm booting from it, it detects hardware and dumps me to an ash shell that doesn't even have fdisk, nor instructions in the readme file to continue with the installation. I can't find the install manual. Where's is it? |
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| 11:55.26 | Gnea | ra`: reminds me of the sid iso: broken. |
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| 11:55.42 | jm_ | ra`: go to d-i page (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 11:55.42 | peterS | ra`: it certainly should not do that |
| 11:55.43 | kv | jm_: heh what do you mean, I only see an extra '/' (which doesn't make any difference btw.) |
| 11:55.56 | peterS | ra`: you should probably report this to #debian-boot, where the debian-installer people are |
| 11:55.57 | jm_ | kv: it makes a whole lot of difference ;) |
| 11:55.59 | Karhuton | Does the netinstall CD have ftp program in it? |
| 11:56.11 | jm_ | kv: but it doesn't matter - it works here with both |
| 11:56.11 | Gnea | don't think so |
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| 11:56.32 | kv | jm_:do you run 2.6.8.1? |
| 11:56.32 | trogger | Karhuton: surely it has wget ? |
| 11:56.35 | jade | Gnea: should I make modules before I make modules_install? |
| 11:56.41 | jm_ | kv: no, this is still 2.4.17 |
| 11:56.42 | trogger | jade: nope |
| 11:56.42 | peterS | Karhuton: I don't think so. it has a version of netcat ("nc") |
| 11:56.43 | Ancillius | Karhuton: well i got the first sarge cd. ftp was in there... |
| 11:56.44 | Karhuton | Trogger: I want to transfer files out. |
| 11:56.54 | trogger | Karhuton: oftpd ? |
| 11:56.54 | kv | jm_:damn |
| 11:57.08 | jm_ | kv: but I bet it would work at home with 2.6.8.1 |
| 11:57.08 | peterS | Karhuton: I've used tar and nc together before for transferring more than one file across a network |
| 11:57.09 | trogger | Karhuton: or 10^6 times better: scp |
| 11:57.13 | peterS | Karhuton: a bit of a hack, but it works |
| 11:57.25 | Karhuton | Does it work how? |
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| 11:57.26 | jm_ | hehe I had to write a nc in perl once when my pa-risc machine was having issues |
| 11:57.42 | peterS | jm_: heh |
| 11:57.53 | Karhuton | See i got a Mac laptop (os x) and windows pc. I can only boot the pc with netinstall cd (it's small enough to download now). |
| 11:58.01 | zrg | OSS has really bad sound quality |
| 11:58.13 | peterS | jm_: not too long ago I used nc to transfer ntfsprogs*.deb and libntfs*.deb onto a machine I wanted to install Debian on. so I could run ntfsresize. |
| 11:58.14 | jm_ | zrg: now that's utter bullshit |
| 11:58.14 | Karhuton | I need to transfer files from the pc to mac, if i can even mount the ntfs (hard drive could be broken). |
| 11:58.16 | NoMercy | Gnea: i've downloaded this file NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.0-0283-pkg1.run |
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| 11:58.23 | zrg | it sounds crap here |
| 11:58.33 | jm_ | peterS: did ntfsresize work OK ? |
| 11:58.33 | peterS | jm_: I installed the debs with 'udpkg' into the install ramdisk. it worked! |
| 11:58.41 | zrg | its crappy |
| 11:58.45 | peterS | jm_: yes, AFAIK. I haven't booted Windows on that machine since then (: |
| 11:58.50 | zrg | or is it Beep-Media-Player? |
| 11:59.04 | jm_ | peterS: interesting |
| 11:59.08 | spoofer | poison do you actually have dhclient? |
| 11:59.09 | ra` | 114MB download is nice, though I guess I downloaded 4GB for nothing |
| 11:59.11 | Karhuton | It's woody's mini-cd. Is there one for sarge allready? It shouldn't be too big? Does it have ftp? |
| 11:59.18 | jm_ | yes there is |
| 11:59.46 | cafuego | Karhuton: Uh, MacOS X has a buoilt-in ftp server and also does samba filesharing. |
| 12:00.06 | Gnea | NoMercy: apt-get install alien and RTFM while yer at it |
| 12:00.07 | zrg | jm_, why is my sound like it was on a bad radio freq? |
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| 12:00.10 | Karhuton | cafuego: Problem is the NET INSTALL CD and it's limited software. |
| 12:00.18 | cafuego | Karhuton: Aaaah, I see. |
| 12:00.20 | Karhuton | What does it have that i can damn send files with |
| 12:00.36 | cafuego | Karhuton: I imagine it has ftp at least. |
| 12:00.47 | Gnea | Karhuton: why don't you just boot knoppix? |
| 12:00.53 | jm_ | zrg: I was having a similar issue with CS46xx card - sound would become distorted after a while (it happened both with ALSA and OSS, but I never tested it with Windows) - but removing and reinserting the module worked for me |
| 12:00.56 | Karhuton | Too big! |
| 12:01.01 | peterS | Karhuton: as I said, I've used tar + nc before. like, on one machine: tar cf - /some/dir | nc a.b.c.d 1377 |
| 12:01.03 | Gnea | my ass |
| 12:01.04 | Karhuton | netinstall = 180 megs, knoppix 700? |
| 12:01.15 | cafuego | NoMercy: What are you wanting to use those drivers for? |
| 12:01.16 | peterS | Karhuton: and on the other machine: cd /tmp; nc -l -p 1377 | tar xf - |
| 12:01.26 | Gnea | i'm sure you've got the hd space to store it and a spare cdr |
| 12:01.32 | peterS | Karhuton: you can even through gzip / zcat into the mix, for faster network transfer |
| 12:01.34 | Karhuton | Does that work on a bsd? |
| 12:01.38 | Karhuton | (mac os x) |
| 12:01.40 | Gnea | Karhuton: are you on dialup? |
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| 12:01.47 | peterS | Karhuton: if your bsd machine has 'nc' and 'tar' on it, yes |
| 12:01.52 | cafuego | Karhuton: If it has netcat, yes. |
| 12:01.53 | zrg | jm_, hm, i use a soundblaster with OSS cos alsa didnt work properly, nvidia fucked xmms too so i use Beep-Media-Player |
| 12:01.56 | Karhuton | Gnea, thanks for help, but you ain't helping. |
| 12:02.01 | peterS | Karhuton: netcat (nc) is very easy to compile on a unix machine, if need be |
| 12:02.04 | zrg | Maybe i should recompile kernel? |
| 12:02.08 | Gnea | Karhuton: the stfu and get outta my face |
| 12:02.14 | jm_ | zrg: SB Live ? |
| 12:02.14 | Karhuton | Compiling isn't ok. |
| 12:02.17 | peterS | Gnea: dude. calm down. |
| 12:02.17 | zrg | yeh |
| 12:02.23 | Jaak | cartman: /exit reboot |
| 12:02.24 | Gnea | meh |
| 12:02.33 | jm_ | I have SB Live and it works perfectly fine with both OSS and ALSA |
| 12:02.36 | zrg | Emu10k1 |
| 12:02.37 | zrg | :( |
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| 12:02.44 | magyc | algun español? |
| 12:02.46 | zrg | why do i have this bad quality then? |
| 12:02.51 | Gnea | !spanish |
| 12:02.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 12:03.01 | jm_ | I have no idea |
| 12:03.12 | Karhuton | Does sarge installer (mini-cd) have ftp program in it? |
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| 12:03.19 | magyc | ok |
| 12:03.20 | cafuego | Karhuton: Why is compiling a small tool dto make life easier not ok? |
| 12:03.21 | zrg | The BASS is really crap |
| 12:03.25 | magyc | thak you |
| 12:03.31 | Gnea | np |
| 12:03.41 | jm_ | zrg: ahh that, you can adjust it with emu tools |
| 12:03.46 | zrg | oh? |
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| 12:03.47 | cafuego | zrg: Did you blow up your speakers? |
| 12:03.55 | zrg | cafuego, no :p |
| 12:03.56 | jm_ | and you need to make sure it sends the output to your subwoofer if you have a 5.1 setup |
| 12:03.57 | Karhuton | Cafuego, it's a the last option i'm willing to take. |
| 12:04.02 | Karhuton | *-a |
| 12:04.04 | zrg | its not 5.1 |
| 12:04.08 | kv | jm_:any suggestion about network settings then. It's a debian/testing w/ 2.6.8.1. Everything default AFAIK |
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| 12:04.18 | zrg | jm_, what emu tools? |
| 12:04.23 | cafuego | Karhuton: It'll take 2 minutes, if you start now it'll be done before you get an answer to the 'is there an ftp app...' question. |
| 12:04.39 | jm_ | kv: not really - tried the usual tools like traceroute/tcptraceroute ? does it work for other sites ? |
| 12:04.41 | jm_ | zrg: bah |
| 12:05.04 | cafuego | Karhuton: Besides, the mac may well *have* nc on it. Have you even checked that yet? |
| 12:05.11 | nomeata | Hi. What inofficial apt-source can you recommend me for java packages? |
| 12:05.13 | Karhuton | Can't at the moment. |
| 12:05.21 | cafuego | !tell nomeata -about blackdown |
| 12:05.24 | kv | jm_:yeah, works since may this year great (replace all my RH boxes) |
| 12:05.28 | jm_ | zrg: http://opensource.creative.com/ |
| 12:05.43 | cafuego | Karhuton: Well, come back after you've checked. |
| 12:05.46 | vmx | hi! i'd like to have a mailserver/collector. fetchmail (as daemon) should receives some remote-email-accounts with the help of procmail to /var/mail/<username>. these mails should then be server with courier imap. my problem is, that courier imap needs a virtual user (e.g. vmail), but procmail starts as a different user, therefore it can't write those mails to /var/mail. what can i do? |
| 12:06.07 | kv | jm_:it's only with this site (and I got another case a few weeks back, but not remembered though) |
| 12:06.18 | cafuego | vmx: use the group id. |
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| 12:06.41 | wombachi | are sarge jigdo files generated again? Seem yes |
| 12:06.42 | peterS | Karhuton: the reason cafuego and I keep mentioning nc is that it is a useful tool for a lot of miscellaneous tasks. transferring files to/from a machine without an ftp client is only one of its uses |
| 12:06.59 | cafuego | az[a]zel_ibook: Does that ibook have 'nc' if it's running OSX? |
| 12:07.00 | jm_ | kv: well the issue may be elsewhere then |
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| 12:07.14 | jm_ | kv: although if you say it works with Windows ... |
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| 12:08.00 | vmx | cafuego: so i should change the permission of /var/mail/<username> from 700 to 770? (and change grom group:vmail, to group:mail?) |
| 12:08.06 | kv | jm_:yes, with firefox on windows it works (direct connection), but not with proxy (squid on debian). On linux w/ firefox it doesn't work. |
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| 12:08.44 | jm_ | kv: that's somewhat logical yes - tried running tcpdump to look at the traffic and whatnot ? |
| 12:08.47 | Tenkawa | Anyone have any insight why the megaraid and aacraid drivers are not on any of the driver floppies in sarge? |
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| 12:09.07 | Tenkawa | or am I just blind today? |
| 12:09.18 | adughep | how should i know if iptables is running |
| 12:09.29 | wombachi | Tenkawa: megaraid module is on bootfloppies (loaded in ramdisk via udevs) |
| 12:09.37 | Gnea | oh ok, i am dumb after all - tftpboot.img is just a kernel :P |
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| 12:09.45 | adughep | or how do i restart iptables? |
| 12:09.46 | wombachi | Tenkawa: well, it was few weeks ago |
| 12:10.04 | Tenkawa | wombachi: do you recall which image file? |
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| 12:10.13 | kv | jm_: no, I'm not that familiar with raw IP packets..But if you think I should do xxxx, then say so :-) |
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| 12:10.33 | Tenkawa | I'm using the new installer boot/root and cd-floppy image (which suppodse to carry the scsi drivers.. it did pick up aic7xxx ) |
| 12:10.37 | jm_ | kv: ahh just save the output to a file (-w switch) and take a look at it in Ethereal, it's quite simple |
| 12:10.50 | adughep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.09 | Gnea | iptables -nvL |
| 12:11.13 | jm_ | adughep: go read this -- http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 12:11.41 | wombachi | Tenkawa: megaraid.o et megaraid2.o : scsi-extra-modules-2.4.26-1-386-di_0.64_i386.udeb |
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| 12:12.26 | Tenkawa | hmmmm |
| 12:13.09 | wombachi | Tenkawa: these were in initrd from debian-installer |
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| 12:13.45 | Tenkawa | interesting |
| 12:13.51 | Tenkawa | that udeb is not here |
| 12:13.52 | Tenkawa | hrmm... |
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| 12:14.06 | Tenkawa | only scsi-common and scsi-core |
| 12:14.14 | adughep | stie cineva romaneste??????? |
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| 12:14.34 | wombachi | Tenkawa: strange. Perhaps it's compiled in now? Perhaps there's a config-2.4.27 file to check? |
| 12:14.39 | Tenkawa | checking |
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| 12:15.28 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 12:15.32 | Tenkawa | not on these either |
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| 12:17.10 | wombachi | Tenkawa: check netinst CD image on d.o//devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:17.23 | Tenkawa | wombachi: gotta do it through floppy netinst :( |
| 12:17.41 | Tenkawa | I would do cd but I don't have an option at the moment |
| 12:18.09 | Kbyte | If a debian cd don't want to boot, it is a hardware problem?? (spar arch) |
| 12:18.11 | Kbyte | If a debian cd don't want to boot, it is a hardware problem?? (sparc arch) |
| 12:18.13 | intero | sim_: is hotplug/usbmgs really necessary to read a pen? |
| 12:18.26 | SlayerXP | Kbyte: by definition, yes |
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| 12:18.54 | Tenkawa | wombachi: think I found a way to cheat though |
| 12:19.23 | Kbyte | SlayerXP: I think is a bios setting... but I don't known how I can change the boot device. |
| 12:19.28 | caphuso | SlayerXP: not necessarily. we had people who "uncompressed" the iso image before burning it in here... |
| 12:19.57 | Tenkawa | found the package in another distrib medium.. as long as its small enough I can make another floppy |
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| 12:20.05 | wombachi | Tenkawa: in worst case, you can use ur own kernel. |
| 12:20.09 | peterS | caphuso: or even burned the iso image *as a file* |
| 12:20.10 | jm_ | Kbyte: try #sparc - you can boot from a CD with a proper OBP (boot) command |
| 12:20.11 | Kbyte | caphuso: the image is the iso found at debian installer web site |
| 12:20.26 | Kbyte | jm_: thanks |
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| 12:20.32 | jm_ | or the image has an ELF kernel while his box can only boot a.out kernels |
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| 12:21.35 | caphuso | peterS: yeah, that too |
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| 12:23.42 | kv | jm_:I have it in ethereal. Now what should I look at? |
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| 12:24.11 | jm_ | kv: well what was sent out, and what you received back from the site (it will also show ECN flag in there) |
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| 12:26.14 | wombachi | about weekly sarge cd images generation and jigdo, is the work over now? warning is still on d.o/CD/jigdo-cd/ but there are new jigdo files available |
| 12:26.14 | Tenkawa | muhaaahaahaa |
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| 12:26.16 | Karhuton | can i send files trough ssh? |
| 12:26.29 | jm_ | Karhuton: you have my permission |
| 12:26.32 | greycat | Karhuton: yes, but scp is more fun. |
| 12:26.56 | Karhuton | How does it work? |
| 12:27.03 | greycat | Karhuton: man scp |
| 12:27.15 | Tenkawa | crap |
| 12:27.15 | Tenkawa | still too big |
| 12:27.17 | libv | hrm, i wonder if the gimps scheme engine can draw me a neat sine wave |
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| 12:27.26 | Karhuton | Is scp on woody netinstall cd? No? |
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| 12:27.38 | kv | jm_: I don't see ECN ...I've uploaded it as www.xs4all.nl/~jjvrieze/tcp.out it's 1520 bytes, so I you wouldn't mind .. |
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| 12:28.06 | greycat | Karhuton: why are you asking such stupid questions? |
| 12:28.17 | Karhuton | jim, there's sshd on sarge's netinstall cd. how i can use that to transfer the files to normal ssh client on mac os x? |
| 12:28.25 | Karhuton | Greycat, n/m. |
| 12:28.38 | SlayerXP | greycat: lack of imagination, probably |
| 12:28.57 | greycat | Karhuton: man scp ON THE FUCKING MAC CLIENT BOX. |
| 12:28.57 | SlayerXP | HELP!! WHERE 2 GET X.ORG FOR DEBAIN STABLE??????? I NEED IS FOR MY WAREZ SERVER!!! |
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| 12:29.27 | SlayerXP | greycat: see? could have been worse :) |
| 12:29.51 | Karhuton | Greycat, can't.. |
| 12:30.03 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 12:30.04 | Karhuton | Is scp a wget like prog that fetches a file from sshd? |
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| 12:30.14 | Gnea | i just love it when people say "i can't.." and don't give a reason why. |
| 12:30.18 | Karhuton | The mac is 300 km from my current location. |
| 12:30.20 | bob2 | Karhuton: read the scp manpage. |
| 12:30.21 | Karhuton | I have a phone. |
| 12:30.25 | bob2 | Karhuton: then ssh to it. |
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| 12:30.47 | Gnea | i knew it |
| 12:30.56 | Karhuton | Loooook. All I need to know, is does scp do what i asked? I'll look into it if it does. |
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| 12:31.19 | Gnea | i have a better idea: go back to using windows |
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| 12:31.27 | SlayerXP | Karhuton: I have a radical idea: why not try it and see?# |
| 12:31.43 | bob2 | Karhuton: scp = secure copy. it lets you copy files over ssh. |
| 12:31.52 | Karhuton | I can't install anything on the mac - so i'm trying to stick with very standard (as in came with the os out of the box) tools |
| 12:32.18 | bob2 | then you ask a MAC channel about whether it comes with ssh or not |
| 12:32.24 | Gnea | Karhuton: why can't you read a manpage? macosx is freebsd-based and so thus the man command is there. |
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| 12:32.28 | Karhuton | I can't do anything on the mac at the moment. |
| 12:32.39 | Gnea | that's cuz macs are shite |
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| 12:32.44 | greycat | *cough* scp --help |
| 12:32.46 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:32.53 | Karhuton | bob2: ok. |
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| 12:33.41 | UltraSub | how can i send a WOL-packet from debian to another machine on the lan? |
| 12:34.02 | Gnea | UltraSub: ping machine-ip |
| 12:34.02 | UltraSub | for windows, there are tools, for linux, i don't know |
| 12:34.15 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:34.18 | Gnea | that might not do it... |
| 12:34.19 | jm_ | kv: it's truncated |
| 12:34.28 | UltraSub | that doesnt work Gnea :) |
| 12:34.34 | Gnea | UltraSub: how bout ssh? |
| 12:34.38 | UltraSub | has to be a "special" packet |
| 12:34.47 | kv | jm_: I use ^C to quit tcpdump |
| 12:34.47 | UltraSub | specially for wake-on-lan |
| 12:34.48 | Gnea | aaah |
| 12:34.55 | Gnea | actually |
| 12:34.58 | Gnea | ping could probably do it |
| 12:35.04 | Gnea | if you tell it to do it right :) |
| 12:35.07 | jm_ | kv: that's OK, but use tcpdump -s 4096 -w foo ... |
| 12:35.12 | bob2 | ping has the -C option or whatever |
| 12:35.18 | chris__ | can anybody help me with this: when I try to upgrade vim (or joe) I get this message during dpkg configure: |
| 12:35.19 | UltraSub | hmm k |
| 12:35.21 | chris__ | update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/editor corrupt: missing newline after manflag |
| 12:35.24 | UltraSub | i will look into ping then |
| 12:35.26 | UltraSub | thnx guys |
| 12:35.29 | Gnea | UltraSub: alright, what sort of information is it wanting? just a simple string? |
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| 12:35.40 | UltraSub | i don't really know Gnea |
| 12:35.44 | caphuso | UltraSub: apt-cache search wake on lan |
| 12:35.48 | jm_ | UltraSub: apt-cache show etherwake |
| 12:35.54 | UltraSub | every site talks about a wol-packet :) |
| 12:35.55 | greycat | chris__: edit the corrupt file by hand and fix it...? |
| 12:36.00 | UltraSub | thnx caphuso and jm_ |
| 12:36.03 | UltraSub | gotta love apt :) |
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| 12:36.03 | greycat | chris__: make sure /var isn't full. |
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| 12:36.21 | chris__ | greycat: the file is not readable |
| 12:36.25 | Gnea | oh sweet |
| 12:36.35 | chris__ | greycat: what do you meen by full? |
| 12:36.41 | greycat | chris__: as in df(1) |
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| 12:37.08 | chris__ | nope not full |
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| 12:37.24 | jm_ | chris__: it should be a text file - maybe your file system is corrupted |
| 12:37.28 | saintiss | hi |
| 12:37.28 | Ancillius | could anyone tell me why most games complain: /dev/sequencer no such device? (and plz do not tell me there is no such device... i loaded even snd-seq-oss, no luck at all) how do i fix that? |
| 12:37.44 | chris__ | jm_: well it's definitly not a textfile here :-S |
| 12:37.49 | saintiss | I've got a zip drive here, which is located at /dev/sda... shouldn't I be able to mount /dev/sda /mnt/zip? |
| 12:37.51 | sussudio | !plz |
| 12:37.51 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 12:37.54 | jm_ | chris__: not good |
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| 12:37.58 | chris__ | :-) |
| 12:38.04 | Gnea | Ancillius: /dev/sequencer is for midi-capable soundcards |
| 12:38.08 | jm_ | saintiss: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 12:38.16 | meursault | what should you do if you can print with openoffice, but not with the gimp? |
| 12:38.33 | SlayerXP | meursault: find out why not and fix it. |
| 12:38.34 | Gnea | meursault: get out the shotgun |
| 12:38.53 | Ancillius | Gnea: well that old wavetable stuff or general-midi output (to external devices? |
| 12:39.13 | ster3o | meursault: print your gimp-work within openoffice |
| 12:39.13 | bob2 | saintiss: no one knows why, but the only usable partition on zip disks is 4 |
| 12:39.14 | Gnea | Ancillius: basically |
| 12:39.19 | bob2 | /dev/sda4 is what you want |
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| 12:39.51 | Ancillius | Gnea: well shouldnt i8x0 be capable of midi output? |
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| 12:40.05 | drim | i downloaded a theme for blackbox whith font file (.tff) - where i should put it ? |
| 12:40.07 | jm_ | Ancillius: dream on |
| 12:40.11 | ster3o | meursault: what kind of printing device are you using in openoffice? |
| 12:40.24 | Gnea | Ancillius: if it's enabled - are you setting up to do some serious audio work? |
| 12:40.24 | ricky_clarkson | I like MIDI, and I like trackers. Wouldn't mind a tracker-like interface to MIDI sequencing. |
| 12:40.25 | saintiss | bob2: hmm... but fdisk -l /dev/sda tells me it's actually /dev/sda2? |
| 12:40.30 | ricky_clarkson | A la OctaMED on the Amiga. |
| 12:40.37 | saintiss | mount: /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device |
| 12:40.41 | bob2 | saintiss: then someone has played funny buggers with it |
| 12:40.49 | drim | :? |
| 12:40.51 | Ancillius | jm_: lol dream on? ;)) so no i guess.. |
| 12:40.56 | bob2 | drim: ~/.fonts if blackbox uses fontconfig |
| 12:41.00 | jm_ | bob2: maybe because retarded windows tools prepare it that way ? |
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| 12:41.13 | drim | fontconfig ? |
| 12:41.17 | desrow | saintiss: works here as sda4 : mountpoint in /media and line in fstab |
| 12:41.17 | Ancillius | Gnea: well in fact it just annoys me that frozen-bubble tuxracer and so on always complain about no such device |
| 12:41.17 | bob2 | they all use 4 |
| 12:41.24 | bob2 | drim: nevermind |
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| 12:41.31 | bob2 | try it and then give up if it doesn't work |
| 12:41.34 | ricky_clarkson | !wtf is fontconfig |
| 12:41.35 | dpkg | ...but wtf is already something else... |
| 12:41.43 | Gnea | Ancillius: and yet they work without complaint? |
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| 12:41.51 | Pimpinella | whats the recommended kerberos for debian? |
| 12:41.58 | saintiss | I must say it's got filetype: Apple_HFS |
| 12:41.59 | meursault | ster3o, its a network printer (they offer linux drivers and they run fine) |
| 12:42.01 | SlayerXP | Pimpinella: v5 |
| 12:42.11 | saintiss | but -t hfs doesn't really help, it says wrong filetype then |
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| 12:42.15 | Ancillius | Gnea: well THEY complain, I dont... so sound runs just fine |
| 12:42.18 | bob2 | saintiss: er, you'll probably have to reformat that |
| 12:42.24 | az[a]zel | if I want to reformat a partition as ext3, what tool should I use? |
| 12:42.25 | kv | jm_: I did (-s 4096) now 15044 bytes www.xs4all.nl/~jjvrieze/tcp.out newly updated |
| 12:42.29 | SlayerXP | Pimpinella: or 4, actually |
| 12:42.35 | Gnea | Ancillius: then don't worry about it :) |
| 12:42.35 | saintiss | bob2: but mount supports hfs, according to the manual :s |
| 12:42.47 | ricky_clarkson | az[a]zel: mke2fs and tune2fs iirc |
| 12:42.53 | ricky_clarkson | az[a]zel: What format is it in now? |
| 12:42.54 | Gnea | saintiss: only if your KERNEL supports hfs, according to /proc/filesystems |
| 12:42.59 | Pimpinella | SlayerXP: there seem to be heimdal and KTH |
| 12:43.00 | az[a]zel | ricky_clarkson, reiserfs |
| 12:43.04 | ricky_clarkson | az[a]zel: Or mkfs.ext3 |
| 12:43.05 | bob2 | saintiss: read-only |
| 12:43.12 | Pimpinella | no idea whats the difference |
| 12:43.15 | saintiss | Gnea, which it does |
| 12:43.15 | bob2 | saintiss: and only if you built support nto your kernel |
| 12:43.18 | Ancillius | Gnea: argh... its really annoying... why do those games search for midi? e.g. FB has ogg-vorbis output, so what should one use midi for? |
| 12:43.22 | az[a]zel | ricky_clarkson, do you have any recommended options? or should I just use the defaults? |
| 12:43.23 | Pimpinella | think 2 different implementations |
| 12:43.24 | ricky_clarkson | az[a]zel: Ah, right, ok. mkfs.ext3 |
| 12:43.25 | saintiss | bob2: read-only would be fine |
| 12:43.30 | ricky_clarkson | az[a]zel: Dunno. |
| 12:43.31 | saintiss | and it's in the kernel |
| 12:43.32 | meff | msg dpkg udev |
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| 12:43.35 | Gnea | Ancillius: dunno, i didn't code 'em |
| 12:43.36 | meff | err |
| 12:43.37 | saintiss | (ppc kernel) |
| 12:43.38 | meff | bah |
| 12:43.40 | chris__ | ok, does anybody have an /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/editor file for me :-D |
| 12:43.46 | saintiss | still it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:43.57 | jm_ | kv: it tried to contact 217.26.112.1 and got 404 back |
| 12:44.25 | Ancillius | Gnea: is it the same at your machine? tuxracer and fb and falconseye for example all do that |
| 12:44.34 | ricky_clarkson | chris__: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/editor |
| 12:44.43 | bob2 | saintiss: 22:43:15 bob2 | saintiss: and only if you built support nto your kernel |
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