| 00:00.16 | ioerror | c8e PCI7420 CardBus Controller shows up |
| 00:00.23 | ioerror | also ac8f PCI7420 Flash Media Controller |
| 00:00.38 | lanchow | if anyone got a Lexmark Optra E+ working on sid, please i need a hand .. |
| 00:00.44 | ioerror | it's strange because that mentions tons of firewire stuff |
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| 00:01.46 | Kerr | i'm kinda bored.. |
| 00:02.03 | Kerr | would anybody likea gmail invite, whilst i appear to be in abundance of them? |
| 00:02.13 | r0 | how can i remove kde with apt? |
| 00:02.25 | r0 | i want _everything_ kde gone |
| 00:02.32 | abrotman | apt-get remove libqt |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | most of kde depends on that |
| 00:02.39 | Kerr | r0: click your heals and repeat for times 'theres no place like whitebox' |
| 00:02.48 | Kerr | four^ |
| 00:02.52 | baronsamedi | hehe |
| 00:02.55 | r0 | Kerr, i use flux and xfce, i want kde gone |
| 00:03.03 | ScribbleJ | Try out debfoster, it might help. |
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| 00:03.03 | encode | has anyone her gotten lirc to work with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:03.15 | Kerr | flux is also fun :) |
| 00:03.28 | DarknessX | I'm using XFCE |
| 00:03.32 | DarknessX | it works pretty well on the laptop. |
| 00:03.35 | r0 | ya, it's all great.. but how do i get rid of kde? |
| 00:03.40 | Kerr | never used xfce. |
| 00:03.43 | ScribbleJ | Try out debfoster, it might help. |
| 00:04.04 | abrotman | r0: i just told oyu ... |
| 00:04.13 | r0 | abrotman, you said _most_ of kde |
| 00:04.25 | cafuego | ioerror: Well, firewire is pretty much standardised, it's virtually all TI powered using the ohci1394 driver. Exceptions being A bunch of macs and older VAIOs, which use pcilynx. |
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| 00:04.31 | Kerr | ugh.. waiting for apt-get dselect-upgrade is like waiting for the second coming.. |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | well jeesus .. how much crap can you have installed .. |
| 00:04.39 | r0 | abrotman, and you gave me similar advide before, and it wanted to remove system modules too |
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| 00:04.47 | abrotman | r0: just use deborphan .. and |
| 00:04.57 | r0 | abrotman, deborphan? |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | r0: you're fuckin crazy .. apt-get remove libqt will not remove kernel modules |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | methinks deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 00:05.16 | r0 | cool |
| 00:05.17 | r0 | thx |
| 00:05.34 | r0 | abrotman, and it did, because i just had to install a whole new system |
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| 00:05.43 | r0 | it said i had to type 'Yes, do as I say!' |
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| 00:05.51 | r0 | and i did, and it removed kernel modules |
| 00:05.57 | ioerror | cafuego, so waht does that mean for me? |
| 00:06.17 | ioerror | cafuego, i dont' understand why it would have a firewire controller witha cardbus/smartcard reader on one chip |
| 00:06.19 | ioerror | that's crazy |
| 00:06.20 | cafuego | ioerror: Your firewire should work, but as for the card/stick reader, god knows. |
| 00:06.42 | ioerror | cafuego, well, if it's all on the same device, how to i make sure ohci maps to it? |
| 00:06.44 | hostile_ | cant wait to install debian |
| 00:06.44 | abrotman | r0: you're crazy .. removing libqt will not remove kernel-modules |
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| 00:06.56 | abrotman | and why if you just insatlled a new system did you install kde again? |
| 00:07.08 | cafuego | ioerror: Load the driver and see what happens. |
| 00:07.09 | r0 | abrotman, did you hear what i said? it did, because of fukked dependancies, now stop arguing |
| 00:07.23 | ioerror | just modprobe ohci cafuego ? |
| 00:07.25 | ioerror | here goes... |
| 00:07.26 | r0 | abrotman, i even gave you proof by showing you what it said |
| 00:07.32 | cafuego | ioerror: modprobe ohci1394 |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | cafuego: do you think it's possible that kernelmodules depend on libqt? |
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| 00:07.52 | abrotman | r0: please .. paste in #flood |
| 00:07.55 | ioerror | cafuego, ohci1394 is already loaded, strange |
| 00:08.02 | r0 | abrotman, wtf i already showed you |
| 00:08.05 | cafuego | abrotman: if you manually edit their control file and fuck it up, sure. |
| 00:08.11 | ioerror | cafuego, ieee1394 111480 2 eth1394,ohci1394 |
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| 00:08.16 | abrotman | r0: see .. cafuego says you're crazy too :) |
| 00:08.21 | r0 | abrotman, IT IS TOO LATE.. get it?? omfg i said i had to reinstall the whole system |
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| 00:08.34 | abrotman | r0: then why are you asking again? |
| 00:08.35 | r0 | abrotman, it had a kernel panic after that |
| 00:08.40 | ioerror | hey derF |
| 00:08.44 | deviousubb | which file should I take a look at if I'm having trouble loading images on any browser |
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| 00:09.18 | cafuego | deviousubb: Check the bug database for libpng issues. |
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| 00:09.31 | deviousubb | ok |
| 00:09.47 | r0 | abrotman, i will try it again from a clean system |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | r0: if it's a clean system .. why the fuck are you installing kde if you're just going to remove it? |
| 00:10.23 | r0 | abrotman, i installed knoppix.. it doesn't give you a choice |
| 00:10.29 | ioerror | cafuego, ? |
| 00:10.37 | abrotman | r0: well jesus .. no wonder it depends on kernelmodules .. knoppix is crap .. |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | where's sgeigerbot to help you |
| 00:10.46 | r0 | abrotman, good point |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | r0: why are you using knoppix to begin with? |
| 00:11.00 | deviousubb | wait, so is the png bug the reason why it prompts me to save the file or 'open with' whenever I click a png link? |
| 00:11.23 | r0 | abrotman, because it is debian |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | r0: no . it absolutely is not |
| 00:11.50 | abrotman | r0: don't come in here .. say you used knoppix .. and then ask us how to unfuck your system .. use the sarge installer |
| 00:11.51 | r0 | abrotman, i am not arguing in a yes vs. no match, knoppix is debian |
| 00:11.57 | abrotman | r0: no .. it's really not |
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| 00:12.02 | r0 | omfg |
| 00:12.11 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | r0: end of story |
| 00:12.29 | r0 | you are a nitpick |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | no . i'm right |
| 00:12.36 | r0 | the installer _does_ install a debian system |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | no .. it does NOT |
| 00:12.42 | r0 | the live cd is _not_ |
| 00:12.49 | r0 | get it straight |
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| 00:13.01 | abrotman | if you can't uninstall kde without fucking your kernel .. it's a piece of shit |
| 00:13.08 | r0 | lol |
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| 00:13.11 | r0 | that is the truth |
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| 00:13.24 | encode | has anyone successfully used lirc (the infrared remote control software)? |
| 00:13.31 | r0 | wtf.. i hate gnome and kde alike |
| 00:13.32 | abrotman | so don't use it .. and don't ask us to help you with it .. if you need something 'up to date' use sarge installer |
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| 00:13.45 | r0 | gnome is a osx clone, and kde is a xp clone |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | gnome is no osx clone |
| 00:13.55 | beth | huh? |
| 00:13.57 | r0 | LMAO |
| 00:13.58 | beth | r0: no |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | gnome is off on it's own little planet :) |
| 00:14.04 | citral | r0: no |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | i mean .. i like it .. but it's not osx |
| 00:14.17 | r0 | it is exactly like osx |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | it's better :) |
| 00:14.23 | r0 | wow.. and it is a clone |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | r0: ok .. apparently .. you haven't a damn clue |
| 00:14.32 | r0 | it has become one.. it never used to be |
| 00:14.43 | adhoc | r0 gnome existed before os x did. |
| 00:14.45 | citral | r0: you are saying stupid things bigger than you. |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | r0: either you don't use gnome ... or don't use osx |
| 00:14.47 | r0 | i think it is the other way around dude |
| 00:14.54 | r0 | let me state the similarities: |
| 00:15.07 | abrotman | r0: gnome has been around long before osx |
| 00:15.14 | r0 | you are an idiot |
| 00:15.17 | abrotman | oh really |
| 00:15.17 | r0 | no it hasn't |
| 00:15.21 | adhoc | r0, it is not, rasterman wrote the beginings of gnome in 94-95 |
| 00:15.23 | abrotman | wanna make a fuckin bet? |
| 00:15.31 | idnar | r0: what are you smoking? |
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| 00:15.40 | r0 | <r0> it has become one.. it never used to be |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | r0: you're a horrible fuckin liar .. or complete idiot |
| 00:15.43 | r0 | can you read? |
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| 00:16.10 | r0 | if you have even used a mac, you would know the striking similarities |
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| 00:16.21 | abrotman | i have used a mac |
| 00:16.22 | citral | r0: ahahahahahaha |
| 00:16.36 | idnar | r0: ...right... |
| 00:16.37 | r0 | the 'gnome menu' is the exact same positioning and style as osx, the window list is on the top right like macs |
| 00:16.41 | Random-842 | kde was originally a cde clone [though, xfce does a better job of that in my opinion] |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | r0: which gnome menu? .. i have 3 |
| 00:16.51 | Random-842 | r0: my gnome menu is in the lower left corner. |
| 00:16.54 | citral | r0: ahahhahahahhahahahahhaa |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | r0: you should probably stop now |
| 00:17.01 | r0 | i am talking about defaults obviously |
| 00:17.10 | ioerror | r0 defaults on which distro? |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | r0: the debian defaults have 2 menus |
| 00:17.14 | Random-842 | umm yeah - the "defaults" mean nothing about it being or not being a clone |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | r0: you're so wrong .. give up now :) |
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| 00:17.21 | idnar | r0: uh... |
| 00:17.23 | simonrvn | r0: um, yes gnome existed before mac os x. i should know, been using mock os since the 7.6.x days |
| 00:17.24 | Random-842 | if _ANYTHING_ can be considered an osx clone, it would be gnustep |
| 00:17.31 | r0 | i am speaking of _their_ intentions |
| 00:17.31 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 00:17.35 | citral | r0: please stop it. |
| 00:17.37 | idnar | r0: my window list is on the bottom panel; I haven't moved it |
| 00:17.46 | r0 | and gnome is pre osx but not before mac os |
| 00:17.49 | r0 | nubs.. |
| 00:17.57 | Random-842 | r0: can you remove the top menu bar in osx? |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | and .. unless im mistaken .. the gnome menu has been up there since like 1.0 ? |
| 00:18.05 | Random-842 | gnome doesn't even _provide_ a real top menu bar - unlike kde |
| 00:18.11 | abrotman | r0: ok.. mac os was crap ... |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | as in OS9 and below |
| 00:18.29 | r0 | Random-842, actually, you can customize both to look however you want.. but is that what i am talking about? |
| 00:18.30 | ioerror | r0, are you trolling or what? |
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| 00:18.32 | citral | totally crap and bugged. |
| 00:18.32 | cafuego | abrotman: No, it was not. |
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| 00:18.46 | Random-842 | r0: gnome does not allow applications to place menus in the top menu bar, even if present. |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | cafuego: you sure .. i remember it before gnome2 |
| 00:18.52 | simonrvn | i still use 9 and below ;) |
| 00:18.54 | r0 | lmao!! |
| 00:19.01 | deviousubb | interesting how conversations escalates from debian = knoppix to gnome = OS X |
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| 00:19.04 | r0 | <Random-842> r0: gnome does not allow applications to place menus in the top menu bar, even if present. |
| 00:19.07 | r0 | YES IT DOES |
| 00:19.07 | abrotman | !aolify r0 |
| 00:19.09 | citral | simonrvn: uh... what for ? cubase ? |
| 00:19.17 | Random-842 | r0: it does? i've only ever seen desktop menus up there |
| 00:19.19 | simonrvn | citral: i have my reasons |
| 00:19.22 | ioerror | cafuego, did you catch what i said re:1394 driver? |
| 00:19.29 | Random-842 | KDE allows application menubar to be moved to the top of the screen, not gnome |
| 00:19.39 | encode | hello? anyone used lirc? a simple no would suffice, rather than no reaction at all |
| 00:19.44 | r0 | you can do that in both. |
| 00:19.44 | deviousubb | no |
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| 00:19.51 | abrotman | encode: have you checked BTS? |
| 00:19.52 | Random-842 | no you can't... can you? |
| 00:19.53 | cafuego | abrotman: I've been using MacOS since 7.1. it may have crashed and not done preemptive multitasting, but it was by NO measure a crap OS. Especially if you compare it to its contemporary desktop OSes. (Win 3.1 anyone?) |
| 00:19.55 | citral | !tell encode about repeat |
| 00:19.56 | idnar | r0: how? |
| 00:19.59 | Random-842 | i've never seen it, and i can't find the option for it |
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| 00:20.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: *ding* |
| 00:20.09 | r0 | that doesn't mean you should argue about it |
| 00:20.14 | Random-842 | r0: can you get file, edit, etc, in the menubar at the top of the screen? and if so, HOW? |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | cafuego: windows 3.11 was great .. err .. well .. DOS6.22 was great :) |
| 00:20.24 | encode | abrotman: what is BTS? |
| 00:20.41 | r0 | Random-842, yes, look at some screenshots on the web |
| 00:20.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: uh, yeh, right |
| 00:20.46 | abrotman | !tell encode about bts |
| 00:20.47 | ioerror | for some reason i can't boot a new kernel that i just built the debian way (with make-kpg) it has a kernel panic because it can't fine the root fs |
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| 00:21.01 | encode | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:21.06 | ioerror | other than make-kpg and dpkg -i kernelpackage.deb, what do i need to do? |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: dos was the best .. how many other OS's can have the switch flipped without unmounting the FSs |
| 00:21.10 | simonrvn | ioerror: try specifying it on the kernel command line.. root=/dev/foo |
| 00:21.14 | Random-842 | r0: where are these screenshots? |
| 00:21.16 | Random-842 | find them for me |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | encode: it's a place to start |
| 00:21.22 | Random-842 | you are the one making a bs assertion |
| 00:21.24 | r0 | anyways.. this has nothing to do with what i asked |
| 00:21.25 | ioerror | simonrvn, how can i change that in the default grub conf? |
| 00:21.26 | Random-842 | and tell me _HOW_ to do it |
| 00:21.31 | simonrvn | abrotman: and you see that as a *good* thing? |
| 00:21.34 | r0 | how do you remove kde and all of its libraries |
| 00:21.37 | Random-842 | looking at screenshots will not put my applications' menus in the top of the screen |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: no . it was a joke |
| 00:21.43 | simonrvn | ioerror: with an editor |
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| 00:21.59 | simonrvn | abrotman: sorry, my <sarcasm> detector was turned off |
| 00:21.59 | ioerror | simonrvn, also it's trying to do it on the right device (dev/hda1) |
| 00:22.09 | TheChuckster | Hey. My Linux has a virus! |
| 00:22.15 | r0 | lol |
| 00:22.16 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 00:22.18 | Benj | Wow! Gratz! |
| 00:22.23 | deviousubb | r0, press the '-' in the KDE category? |
| 00:22.26 | simonrvn | ioerror: yeh but the possibility exists hda1 is no longer the right one |
| 00:22.28 | TheChuckster | I was surfing this web and it said it did. |
| 00:22.30 | ioerror | but it kernel panics, so i assume that it's not working because of the filesytem not being there |
| 00:22.31 | cafuego | abrotman: macOS 7 had no problems with flipping the switch on a mounted FS |
| 00:22.35 | ioerror | simonrvn, how could it change? |
| 00:22.36 | r0 | deviousubb, what? |
| 00:22.38 | simonrvn | TheChuckster: suuure. now go troll elsewhere |
| 00:22.42 | deviousubb | nm |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | cafuego: it's been too long since i used os7 . i wouldn't remember |
| 00:22.54 | TheChuckster | HELP ME DARNIT |
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| 00:23.03 | r0 | deviousubb, it is already installed |
| 00:23.05 | simonrvn | ioerror: were you using say 2.6.6 or 2.4.x before? |
| 00:23.10 | TheChuckster | http://www.all.com.br/imagem/3d's/virus.gif |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | deviousubb: don't get him started again |
| 00:23.12 | TheChuckster | this popped up! |
| 00:23.18 | ioerror | 2.6.7-1 and now 2.6.7 |
| 00:23.28 | deviousubb | don't worry, I have no clue about OS history :) |
| 00:23.33 | r0 | TheChuckster, what's the problem? |
| 00:23.36 | ioerror | debian kernel source, configed with the same config as before after a default sarge install |
| 00:23.39 | simonrvn | ioerror: the first one was a debian one? |
| 00:23.41 | TheChuckster | THAT VIRUS POPPED UP |
| 00:23.44 | ioerror | simonrvn, yes |
| 00:23.49 | deviousubb | it 'popped' up? |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | TheChuckster: go the hell away |
| 00:23.51 | ioerror | and this one is a debian one, but i compiled it |
| 00:24.01 | TheChuckster | abrotman, DAMNIT MY FILES MIGHT BE GONE |
| 00:24.01 | simonrvn | ioerror: could be you forgot something in your config? |
| 00:24.02 | r0 | TheChuckster, could you please contain your simple mind, just tell us what is wrong |
| 00:24.03 | deviousubb | it's the blue screen of death! |
| 00:24.05 | dje | TheChuckster: it's a popup add, trying to get you to buy anti-virus software. just ignore it |
| 00:24.07 | simonrvn | TheChuckster: stop shouting |
| 00:24.12 | TheChuckster | Oh. |
| 00:24.14 | TheChuckster | Nothing wrong? |
| 00:24.19 | r0 | dje, lol probs |
| 00:24.22 | ioerror | simonrvn, i copied the config from /boot (the default from the sarge install) |
| 00:24.25 | TheChuckster | Thanks guys. |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | TheChuckster: good .. let the virus eat your FAT32 partition ... then only linux will be left |
| 00:24.27 | deviousubb | I'm pretty sure a virus would do more than just a popup |
| 00:24.30 | TheChuckster | You saved my ass. |
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| 00:24.53 | r0 | deviousubb, just so you know everyone is laughing at you |
| 00:25.02 | simonrvn | TheChuckster: dude, there were 2 viruses that ran on linux, several years ago, they quickly die off, due to the nature of the filesystem, and other *nix standard things |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's gone |
| 00:25.17 | simonrvn | oh well |
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| 00:25.22 | Synapse- | I'll pass it on to him. |
| 00:25.24 | Random-842 | r0: some of us aren't finished laughing at you yet |
| 00:25.29 | rouke | oi |
| 00:25.34 | deviousubb | r0, I get that alot, I'm used to it |
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| 00:25.53 | r0 | Random-842, uh huh, im not even gonna burn you about what you were saying, it is far too obvious |
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| 00:26.11 | r0 | !troll Random-842 |
| 00:26.20 | Random-842 | find me the place i can turn on putting _APPLICATION_ menus [file, edit, view, help, etc] into the top-of-screen menubar |
| 00:26.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:26.30 | Random-842 | i don't want pictures of it, i want it on _my_ desktop. |
| 00:26.42 | Random-842 | if that can't be done, it's not a mac os cline |
| 00:26.42 | r0 | sexy, go to irc.gnome.org then |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | just someone please kill r0 .. just for 10 minutes |
| 00:26.44 | Random-842 | *clone |
| 00:26.59 | simonrvn | i have some pity these windoze admins having to deal with trojans and such. so much extra work for nothing... |
| 00:27.06 | Random-842 | what happened to my name anyway |
| 00:27.07 | simonrvn | for some of these* |
| 00:27.09 | r0 | simonrvn, that's the truth |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | just wait until there's a buffer overflow in the IE .gif handler or some shit |
| 00:27.52 | ioerror | simonrvn, the issue here is that the resiser fs module can't be loaded (because it's on the root fs...) |
| 00:27.54 | simonrvn | random-832: only with certain enlightenment themes did it have that |
| 00:28.08 | simonrvn | ioerror: um, you built your / fs as a module? |
| 00:28.24 | ioerror | simonrvn, i used the same config as debian did because i didn't change anything at all |
| 00:28.31 | ioerror | it should be the same as what worked to install and boot the system |
| 00:28.31 | simonrvn | i hope you have an initrd.. |
| 00:28.44 | rouke | heh |
| 00:28.45 | r0 | move it to mbr.. duh |
| 00:28.45 | ioerror | right, i don't because make-kpkg didn't build it |
| 00:28.57 | simonrvn | that's why then... |
| 00:29.00 | ioerror | what's the right way to make an initrd with make-kpkg |
| 00:29.05 | ioerror | Right, i get that now |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | move what to mbr? |
| 00:29.38 | idnar | !mith r0 |
| 00:29.40 | simonrvn | --initrd, and then you have to configure it |
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| 00:29.49 | abrotman | r0: what are you moving to mbr? |
| 00:29.53 | simonrvn | make a linuxrc, etc. |
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| 00:30.23 | ioerror | I built it like so: time make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --rev StockDebian+loopAESsourceModules.1 kernel-image modules_clean modules_config modules_image |
| 00:30.31 | simonrvn | or re-build your kernel so that your / and other crucial partitions are built-in |
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| 00:30.49 | simonrvn | --config=menuconfig |
| 00:31.05 | ioerror | i want a kernel that's identical to the one that sarge installed with the exception of the loop-aes modules being included as modules_image |
| 00:31.48 | vitriol | hey thanks for the faq guys, good stuff |
| 00:31.52 | ioerror | i know i can always just make it built in, but that's obviously not how the sarge kernel did it, because it's config has it built as a module |
| 00:32.04 | r0 | !mith debhelper |
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| 00:32.46 | baronsamedi | ioerror, there's a chance the type of an option's changed between kernels I guess |
| 00:33.06 | muhoo | when enlightenment closes or minimises a window, it jumps the cursor and focus to some random window. this is annoying. how can i get it to leave the cursor right there where the close/min button was? |
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| 00:33.09 | caspercba | hi, i get an error when i do apt-get install -f |
| 00:33.09 | citral | How can I know the group of a running process ? |
| 00:33.11 | ioerror | baronsamedi, i don't think that's the case as it's the same kernel version :-| |
| 00:33.25 | vitriol | muhoo: i think that is in the middle click menu |
| 00:33.28 | baronsamedi | odd :/ using the copied .config from /boot ? |
| 00:33.33 | vitriol | muhoo: you need to change your mouse focus settings |
| 00:33.38 | ioerror | baronsamedi, yes |
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| 00:34.15 | steve__ | hey- i get this weird problem- |
| 00:34.18 | vitriol | muhoo: on second thought, thats not right...the focus settings won't fix that, and you're right. that *is* annoying |
| 00:34.21 | vitriol | :) |
| 00:34.23 | muhoo | vitriol: BINGO! "send mouse pointer to window on focus switch" |
| 00:34.27 | vitriol | muhoo: if you figure out how to fix it, lemme know |
| 00:34.28 | vitriol | :P |
| 00:34.38 | vitriol | muhoo: you got it? |
| 00:34.40 | abrotman | oh .. thank god |
| 00:34.52 | muhoo | i unchecked it, and life is bliss. AUM. |
| 00:34.53 | muhoo | thanks |
| 00:35.01 | deviousubb | muhoo, I don't think I got a mouse focus problem even when it's in its crappy default setting |
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| 00:35.06 | vitriol | sweet |
| 00:35.08 | muhoo | middle click => settings => focus |
| 00:35.09 | deviousubb | or if I did, I somehow fixed it |
| 00:35.13 | steve__ | if i turn on my computer without a monitor plugged in, it hangs at boot up.... but boots fine with it plugged in |
| 00:35.24 | vitriol | muhoo: thanks |
| 00:35.33 | steve__ | this is an old car with a gender change adapter on it |
| 00:35.41 | steve__ | *old vga card |
| 00:35.49 | steve__ | could it be that? |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | the card has a gender adapter? |
| 00:35.57 | steve__ | yeah |
| 00:36.03 | caspercba | when i do apt-get install -f, kontact-plugins subprocess paste has terminated by signal "broken pipe" |
| 00:36.03 | steve__ | M -> F |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:36.27 | deviousubb | casp, tried another ftp mirror? |
| 00:36.28 | steve__ | ? |
| 00:36.48 | steve__ | well, normal graphics cards have female out |
| 00:36.52 | steve__ | this one has male |
| 00:36.59 | caspercba | deviousubb: no, but iŽll try |
| 00:37.21 | abrotman | steve__: uhm .. why? |
| 00:37.29 | steve__ | i dont know why |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | steve__: what kind of screwed up video card is htat? |
| 00:37.40 | steve__ | but you know why it hangs? |
| 00:37.44 | steve__ | i dunno |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | no .. not at all |
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| 00:38.08 | abrotman | i'm more interested in why it's Male out |
| 00:38.16 | steve__ | i dont know nwhy |
| 00:38.29 | steve__ | a friend gave it to me |
| 00:38.31 | cam | i have a file path : /bleh/here/file.txt ; any easy way to get the path dir : /bleh/here/ ? (using bash) |
| 00:38.35 | steve__ | its for a server |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | are you sure it's a vga card? |
| 00:38.57 | steve__ | no |
| 00:39.00 | rouke | heh |
| 00:39.04 | steve__ | its a graphics card |
| 00:39.06 | vitriol | i've never used debian before (this is my first time) and first time using synaptic...i must say, its awesome |
| 00:39.06 | rouke | it no IO card? |
| 00:39.14 | steve__ | dont know |
| 00:39.15 | rouke | k |
| 00:39.18 | rouke | hmm |
| 00:39.27 | rouke | what does it say on the main chip? |
| 00:39.28 | steve__ | it says like "TAVOR" on it |
| 00:39.30 | cafuego | steve__: how many rows of pins on the connector? |
| 00:39.33 | rouke | googled? |
| 00:39.46 | steve__ | same as normal graphics card |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | wtf is tavor? |
| 00:39.50 | cafuego | TAR-21 Tavor Assault Rifle |
| 00:39.57 | steve__ | israeli |
| 00:40.02 | steve__ | very nice |
| 00:40.13 | steve__ | replaced the galeel |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | ok .. but what brand is the video card |
| 00:40.23 | steve__ | or however you spell it |
| 00:40.33 | abrotman | im wondering if it's like .. goggles card or something |
| 00:41.03 | encode | whats teh command for reconfiguring a package? |
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| 00:41.12 | citral | encode: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:41.13 | kemoo | http://ircx.multiservers.com/crack_irc.exe |
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| 00:41.21 | cafuego | fuck off |
| 00:41.25 | ugly | hah lame mIRCrap'ers |
| 00:41.42 | encode | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | encode: as root? |
| 00:41.55 | cafuego | encode: Make sure you're using debian. |
| 00:41.59 | ugly | heh |
| 00:42.07 | encode | oh yeah, root |
| 00:42.09 | encode | thanks again |
| 00:42.33 | cafuego | 5a45 MT23108 InfiniHost (Tavor) |
| 00:42.41 | steve__ | i have no idea |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | 'oh yeah,root' ? ... |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:43.35 | steve__ | the card says, "APAC, APAC" |
| 00:43.37 | steve__ | its PCI |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | APAC? |
| 00:43.46 | cafuego | That one ^^ is a PCI-X I/O card |
| 00:43.49 | abrotman | !apac |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | it's pci-x? |
| 00:44.01 | cafuego | InfiniHost MT23108 is a single chip dual-port 10Gb/s InfiniBand host channel adapter. |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | but why is the gender screwed up? |
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| 00:44.07 | steve__ | what does that mean? |
| 00:44.12 | cafuego | That's the only TAVOR reference on google that makes any sense |
| 00:44.20 | rouke | hehhe |
| 00:44.25 | rouke | instead of firearms :) |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | hmmm ... |
| 00:44.32 | rouke | those are not pci yet :) |
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| 00:45.11 | steve__ | so why would it not boot if a monitor wasn't plugged in? |
| 00:45.19 | rouke | any beeps? |
| 00:45.25 | HydroSan | Put a ban on *!*G@*.fix.netvision.net.il |
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| 00:45.37 | HydroSan | It's another one of those crack_irc.exe spammers. |
| 00:45.49 | steve__ | it does a <kemoo> http://ircx.multiservers.com/crack_irc.exe |
| 00:45.51 | cafuego | steve__: videoc ards don't care if a monitor is plugged in, the system would boot anyway |
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| 00:46.02 | steve__ | well, this one does! |
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| 00:46.04 | helix | HydroSan: where did you see them? |
| 00:46.08 | steve__ | which is why i was puzzled |
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| 00:46.11 | GaSsaN | http://ircx.multiservers.com/crack_irc.exe |
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| 00:46.16 | HydroSan | ... |
| 00:46.16 | helix | oh. |
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| 00:46.17 | HydroSan | Haha. |
| 00:46.20 | rouke | but no vidcard wil get you 3 beeps, with an award bios anyway |
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| 00:46.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gandormc.fix.netvision.net.il] by helix |
| 00:46.21 | cafuego | fucking bloody hell |
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| 00:46.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:46.31 | HydroSan | See? :P |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | oh helix .. i think gcc is fixed too |
| 00:46.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 00:46.38 | helix | abrotman: is it? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | helix: new packages came into sarge today |
| 00:46.48 | citral | very annoying. I don't what I could do with a .exe |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | helix: no issues upgrading them |
| 00:47.05 | cafuego | citral: You cna use 'cp', 'ln', 'mv', 'ls' on them. |
| 00:47.07 | helix | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 00:47.39 | citral | cafuego: heh. |
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| 00:47.49 | UdontKnow | helix: klined him |
| 00:47.49 | *** topic/#debian by helix -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; RC1 installer: /msg dpkg d-i | BROKEN: libapr0 (#266165) | FIXED: kdelibs4 (#266504), gcc (#268338) | SECURITY: READ YOUR DSA! |
| 00:47.53 | thaly | hi everyone |
| 00:47.59 | helix | UdontKnow: ok. :) |
| 00:48.00 | UdontKnow | (both hosts) |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | helix: thanks |
| 00:48.07 | T_VoiD | both were on channel #gg I wonder if that's not a rendez-vous channel for bots heh |
| 00:48.07 | helix | UdontKnow: good deal, thanks |
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| 00:48.16 | helix | T_VoiD: they were in #perl too |
| 00:48.17 | Rawplayer | fixed gcc? |
| 00:48.20 | Rawplayer | O_o |
| 00:48.25 | T_VoiD | helix: bot @ on #gg |
| 00:48.30 | T_VoiD | helix: i meant "but" |
| 00:48.38 | helix | T_VoiD: ohh |
| 00:48.45 | caspercba | deviousubb: it doesn't work either |
| 00:49.05 | cafuego | pop an overflow on #gg and redirect it to #shell |
| 00:49.15 | zruty | hm, compusa having big ol sale on nice desktops, better than what i can build. anyone know how good hp's amd-based desktops do with linux? |
| 00:49.18 | thaly | does anyone know if todays kernel-image-2.6.8 is using kernel 2.6.8 or kernel 2.6.8.1 ? |
| 00:49.26 | T_VoiD | thaly: it's patched yes |
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| 00:49.42 | thaly | T_VoiD: thx |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | zruty: i looked inside one .. i thikn it was a standard asus mobo |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | maybe it was abit |
| 00:49.51 | zruty | abrotman: asus, no kidding |
| 00:49.54 | cafuego | zruty: If they're like the HP amd laptops, they're fine. |
| 00:49.59 | zruty | abit's good too |
| 00:50.02 | DaedalusXx | Anybody installed Fuse successfully, I've got the apt-get packages, but there is nothing in my /proc/fs/ except ntfsd |
| 00:50.05 | cafuego | zruty: Just be wary of nvidia chipsets on the mobo. |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | zruty: ask them to crack it .. write down the model number on the board .. go home and check |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | zruty: i think they use that via unichrome video card though |
| 00:50.31 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: fuser-source and compiled too ? |
| 00:50.31 | zruty | abrotman: model number on ... the mobo? |
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| 00:50.47 | abrotman | zruty: yeah .. just ask them to pop hte side for you |
| 00:50.50 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: meant fuse-source |
| 00:50.51 | DaedalusXx | T_VoiD : I did fuser-source, but didnt compiled anything |
| 00:50.59 | zruty | not sure where on the mobo i'd look |
| 00:51.03 | cafuego | VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video |
| 00:51.06 | DaedalusXx | Do I need to recompile my kernel? |
| 00:51.14 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: source = to compile (with make-kpkg modules_image) |
| 00:51.21 | DaedalusXx | ok |
| 00:51.21 | cafuego | Nothting wrong with an unichrome video on arackmounted box ;-) |
| 00:51.30 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: there are a few fuse-module packages too i see |
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| 00:51.33 | zruty | no driver for it, eh? |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | steve__: |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | steve__: is it a dual head card? |
| 00:51.45 | txs | Q3Man: how do I enabled USB support in sarge? (A web pointer would be fine too) |
| 00:51.55 | steve__ | eh- about the "TAVOR aPAC aPAC" - ijust tossed it and put in a tnt2 |
| 00:51.57 | cafuego | zruty: The thing with integrated video is that it can be bypassed with an AGP card. |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | steve__: wait .. get the old card |
| 00:52.12 | rouke | steve__, gooed thing :) |
| 00:52.16 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: I suppose that if you kept your config file you can make dep on the very same kernel tree and then compile the modules |
| 00:52.18 | hacim | anyone know if there is a maximum for roundrobin dns A records? |
| 00:52.22 | steve__ | not- dual head |
| 00:52.28 | txs | err that was full of typoes.. let me try over :) |
| 00:52.38 | thaly | txs: usb support for what exactly? |
| 00:52.42 | txs | Question: how do I enable USB support in sarge? A link would be fine |
| 00:52.55 | zruty | yeah i guess i can grab a cheap older model radeon and toss it in |
| 00:52.55 | cafuego | txs: install 'discover' and 'hotplug' - then plug in your usb device. |
| 00:53.07 | txs | thaly: palm pilot.. but just trying to enable USB is the first step.. Palm pilot and USB key |
| 00:53.12 | txs | cafuego: it's enabled by default? |
| 00:53.14 | DaedalusXx | T_VoiD: I'd prefer just to downloaa a precompiled module |
| 00:53.20 | cafuego | zruty: yeah a 7500 would give you excellent performance for a desktop box |
| 00:53.26 | thaly | cafuego: isn't hotplug enough? |
| 00:53.26 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: then look the few available |
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| 00:53.48 | cafuego | thaly: hotplug would be enough is the usb controller drivers autoloaded, which they may not, hence 'discover'. |
| 00:53.48 | DaedalusXx | in my apt-cache search there are no fuse-modules ... should I look elsewhere? |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | zruty: no .. i think there's a driver for it .. just don't know if it's acclerated |
| 00:54.21 | txs | ok trying that now.. thanks cafuego |
| 00:54.44 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: oups right my bad. I have them because I compiled for a few kernels already haha |
| 00:54.50 | thaly | txs: if you use default kernel - yes it is, you only need hotplug for finding the device and as cafuego says, if not enough then install discover too |
| 00:55.16 | txs | ok.. I am installing discover as well.. just for giggles.. thanks thaly |
| 00:55.21 | deviousubb | is there any reason why my browser won't load my dsl modem homepage? |
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| 00:55.30 | T_VoiD | DaedalusXx: btw, didn't even try it. was in advance (tried the ancestor avfs in the past) |
| 00:56.28 | txs | hope I'm not a bother. After I do those things (which I did) should it just show up? |
| 00:56.30 | citral | apropos I don't know how to force X to use an ati card plugged in a via chipset. |
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| 00:56.40 | T_VoiD | deviousubb: not enough data. that doesn't compute |
| 00:56.43 | txs | I plugged it in and get nothing. Mount doesn't seem to like /dev/usb either (not sure if that's right anyhow) |
| 00:57.03 | deviousubb | void, I've been trying to narrow it down, but so far no luck |
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| 00:57.18 | T_VoiD | deviousubb: you give ZERO info. can't guess |
| 00:57.24 | deviousubb | I suppose |
| 00:57.28 | DaedalusXx | whats the name of debian module manager? |
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| 00:58.03 | T_VoiD | deviousubb: so my final answer to the question: probably |
| 00:58.43 | rugliaf | Hi, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers and I'm relatively new to this. It says I need the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. Where do I get this? |
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| 00:59.11 | citral | !tell rugliaf about nvidia |
| 00:59.14 | rouke | rugliaf: www.kernel.org |
| 00:59.17 | caspercba | apt-get install -f and i get this: dpkg: error when processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 00:59.57 | rugliaf | Thanks. |
| 01:00.15 | caspercba | please help |
| 01:00.25 | T_VoiD | citral: I think you check where it is with lspci then you use some pci option in the config file to force using the one you want |
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| 01:02.30 | citral | T_VoiD: Ok, I figured that too, I'm just too dumb to know how to convert lspci output to the PCI=nn:nn:nn format :/ |
| 01:02.51 | Rawplayer | what card? |
| 01:03.06 | T_VoiD | citral: bah with google you'll find a X config file to get examples I'm sure |
| 01:03.06 | citral | Rawplayer: ati rage XL |
| 01:03.36 | citral | T_VoiD: bah for sure :) but I will stay dumb :)) |
| 01:03.46 | T_VoiD | citral: afaik that's the 1st value of lspci, perhaps without the leading 0000: |
| 01:03.51 | Rawplayer | you dont need that |
| 01:04.20 | citral | Rawplayer: did you follow the conversation ? |
| 01:04.29 | T_VoiD | citral: bah follow Rawplayer's infos then |
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| 01:04.45 | T_VoiD | citral: quite possible you don't need if card is different |
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| 01:05.10 | citral | T_VoiD: it's ok thank you. |
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| 01:06.22 | txs | I installed hotplug and discover and I still don't see any usb devices.. any one else have any ideas |
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| 01:08.31 | abrotman | usbmgr? |
| 01:08.34 | T_VoiD | txs: do you know a few kernels modules must be loaded to have usb working? |
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| 01:08.56 | txs | T_VoiD: the folks in here said they should be loaded. How would I check |
| 01:09.04 | T_VoiD | txs: (or well usbmgr surely handles that) |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 01:09.25 | txs | no usb module obvious in lsmod |
| 01:09.49 | citral | did you /etc/init.d/hotplug start ? |
