| 00:00.14 | dad_ | nailbiter, It asked me if I forgot ".". Triple checked :) |
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| 00:00.20 | PerfDave | StormShaman: You shouldn't need to reverse the chroots as nailbiter is suggesting. Install with debootstrap, then edit your boot loader correctly, then reboot and boot off the hard disk into Debian. If it doesn't work, boot back off the Live CD, and see if you can fix things? |
| 00:00.21 | StormShaman | nailbiter, how would i make a system on the `outside' or `inside'? |
| 00:00.31 | naim | peterS, are you the mouse guy .. as dpkg says ? |
| 00:00.33 | SpIdeRwEv | How can I install debian in a Serial ATA HDD's? |
| 00:00.51 | xam | PerfDave: you can even chroot into that directory/partition once the debian base system is installed, however it is better/recommended to reboot first, since daemons are not started if you install via debootstrap (quite obvious, eg. if you install debian on a running system, where sshd is already running, and debootstrap would install (debian) sshd, it couldn't start it) |
| 00:00.51 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Depends on your controller. |
| 00:00.53 | peterS | naim: perhaps |
| 00:00.59 | peterS | naim: what's up? I only just got in |
| 00:01.01 | nailbiter | StormShaman: well, when you get your base gentoo system installed at /, that's your 'outer' system. when you run debootstrap and install debian into, say, /debian, that's your inner system .. |
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| 00:01.18 | NeoSadist | hey do all debian servers install themselves into a chrooted environment? i thought i heard something about that. anyways, just asking. |
| 00:01.19 | mechan0r | everyone's favorite tune: General Heavy Metal Lyrics Condensed - album Generally Speaking |
| 00:01.21 | PerfDave | xam: Does debootstrap grab all packages off the Internet etc., so all you need is debootstrap? |
| 00:01.30 | StormShaman | nailbiter, i'm not planning to install gentoo though |
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| 00:01.35 | StormShaman | just boot off the livecd |
| 00:01.40 | PerfDave | NeoSadist: What do you mean by "debian servers"? |
| 00:01.43 | thomas_adam | PerfDave: basesystem only. |
| 00:01.44 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, Promise or ICH5R which is a Adaptec |
| 00:01.49 | naim | peterS, were you once listed on dpkg as the mouse specialist ? |
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| 00:01.52 | xam | PerfDave: yes, debootstrap and a working internet connection (or a local debian mirror) ;) |
| 00:01.58 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: There was some stuff added in 2.4.2{6,7} |
| 00:02.01 | peterS | naim: yeah. what's your mouse problem? |
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| 00:02.13 | mechan0r | Spooky dookie music |
| 00:02.14 | NeoSadist | PerfDave: as in, servers installed on a debian linux machine. i thought i heard something about that being a default. |
| 00:02.21 | PerfDave | thomas_adam: Fair enough, so you use debootstrap to install the base system, reboot into Debian and then use apt-get or whatever to install new stuff? Cool. I'll have to try this sometime :) |
| 00:02.24 | StormShaman | so if i bootstrap, will i then have a debian system with a net connection and lynx or links? |
| 00:02.24 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: You'll have to check to see if yours is supported. |
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| 00:02.25 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, what do any one do if they heavily need 2.6? |
| 00:02.30 | nailbiter | StormShaman: in that case, you could have debootstrap install onto / and get your debian system right off the bat. :) |
| 00:02.43 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Use 2.6.X, but you really... sigh. |
| 00:02.50 | PerfDave | NeoSadist: I'm not aware of daemons like apache or sshd being installed into chroots by default in Debian, certainly not the standard packages. |
| 00:02.53 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Just check the changelogs. |
| 00:02.55 | nailbiter | StormShaman: hm. i guess i was being rather obtuse. :) sorry .. |
| 00:02.55 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, I mean, in the install |
| 00:02.59 | SharkY | hi |
| 00:03.08 | mechan0r | see he said doo |
| 00:03.09 | StormShaman | nailbiter, i can't install into /, that's the CD's root. i'd have to mount /dev/hdb1 and /mnt/whatever and install it there |
| 00:03.12 | PerfDave | Right, it's gone 1am, I'm supposed to be up in 6 hours, I'm off to bed. |
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| 00:03.19 | PerfDave | Good luck with debootstrap, StormShaman :) |
| 00:03.22 | xam | PerfDave: exactly |
| 00:03.27 | NeoSadist | PerfDave: oh. ok, well, i installed it, so i might modify /etc/init.d/ area to launch ssh in chrootuid |
| 00:03.27 | nailbiter | StormShaman: yes -- whatever your real, intended root filesystem is, then. |
| 00:03.38 | StormShaman | thanks PerfDave |
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| 00:04.04 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, ok. anyway! do I install 3.0 to get started if not even the drives will be recognized. |
| 00:04.28 | StormShaman | i'm sure this would be easier if the livecd had emerge already on it, but that wouldn't make sense |
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| 00:04.32 | xam | PerfDave: the only issue is that you have to do a few things that the debian installer would do for you: 1) create partitions & filesystems 2) /etc/fstab 3) /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname 4) dpkg-reconfigure console-data (ie. keyboard) 5) install lilo/grub ... I think that's all |
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| 00:04.38 | StormShaman | so what version of debian does debootstrap install? |
| 00:04.40 | naim | thanks peterS .. i wasjust remembering |
| 00:04.55 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: You'll want the d-i installer. |
| 00:05.09 | nailbiter | StormShaman: the first argument to debootstrap is the branch you want to install. |
| 00:05.10 | StormShaman | xam, i don't know what steps 3 and 4 are |
| 00:05.14 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, where can I learn about that? |
| 00:05.18 | StormShaman | but i recognize 1 and 2 from the gentoo install |
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| 00:05.21 | thomas_adam | !tell SpIdeRwEv about d-i |
| 00:05.32 | xam | StormShaman: you can specify what distribution (stable, testing ...) and architecture |
| 00:05.42 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?query=interfaces |
| 00:05.44 | StormShaman | xam, i assume i want stable at first |
| 00:05.50 | mechan0r | ok this needs to be weird al'd |
| 00:05.53 | PerfDave | Yes, stable is best to start with. |
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| 00:06.10 | mechan0r | Now there is no more Mountain Dew |
| 00:06.12 | novice | i installed solaris on my notebook but i have no swap partition anymore. actually my /dev/hda1(solaris) and /dev/hda2(former linux swap) are not mounted when i issue df -h. my lilo restarted to work again but without recognition of solaris partition. can somebody tell me if i have any change to: 1) increase my solaris partition from 1.9 to 3.0GB; 2) make the systems (lin and sol) bootable throughout the lilo; 3) i wouldn't like to reinstall everything again |
| 00:06.17 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, COOL!! |
| 00:06.41 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, last one... is it easy? |
| 00:06.46 | xam | StormShaman: 4) is just a command, 3) is creating an /etc/fstab (eg. copy the existing one of your old linux distro and modify) |
| 00:06.53 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Porridge or cornflakes? |
| 00:07.09 | StormShaman | xam, no that's step 2 |
| 00:07.15 | xam | StormShaman: and 'echo my-computer-name >/etc/hostname' |
| 00:07.24 | FlimFlamMan | i just drove home and got my aeron and brought it into work. my ass is much happier now. |
| 00:07.28 | xam | StormShaman: oh, sorry |
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| 00:07.48 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, Captain Crunch? Found it! thanks! |
| 00:08.13 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: "Easy" is a pointless question. It's subjective, and so deserves a flippant answer. |
| 00:08.19 | Tezkah | hmm, these people haven't sent my my debian sticker yet |
| 00:08.22 | Tezkah | those jerks... |
| 00:08.42 | FlimFlamMan | what debian sticker would that be |
| 00:08.48 | xam | StormShaman: well, it is the config file for your network card ... and example config is in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz after you installed the base system |
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| 00:09.10 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, ok! I see only netinst is that what is provided or is there a full CD image, that was the last question... |
| 00:09.10 | Tezkah | I guess its from this "hackerstickers" place :S |
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| 00:09.23 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: If you want full ISOs, use jigdo. |
| 00:09.25 | glamophobe | t-jack how gosh darn tootin long does it take |
| 00:09.33 | Tezkah | http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/sticker-debian-linux.shtml |
| 00:09.36 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: The netiso is just that - everything is off the internet. |
| 00:09.40 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, I just want the CD ISO, not even DVD |
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| 00:09.53 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Then follow the links from the URL dpkg told you about. |
| 00:09.53 | StormShaman | xam, could i just copy all these files from my Gentoo install? |
| 00:09.59 | StormShaman | or would that not work? |
| 00:09.59 | t-jack | glamophobe: Huh? |
| 00:10.01 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, I guess it's easy enough!! thanks let me try it |
| 00:10.13 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: You'll download the ISO and you'll then burn it to a CD. |
| 00:10.26 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: If that's too difficult for you...... |
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| 00:10.28 | glamophobe | t-jack how long does it take to get a request serviced |
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| 00:10.48 | xam | StormShaman: not 3), since it is debian specific, 4) is a debian specific command and 2) /etc/fstab might need modification |
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| 00:10.58 | thomas_adam | glamophobe: Click your fingers: "Garcon..." |
| 00:11.14 | mveers | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.23 | thomas_adam | mveers: Stop that. |
| 00:11.23 | StormShaman | 3) /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname ? |
| 00:11.25 | StormShaman | that one? |
| 00:11.35 | novice | nobody to tell me at least the last question? :-P |
| 00:11.42 | t-jack | glamophobe: If you hate it so, don't listen. Or get your group together that can muster 7-12 requests an hour and rule the damn station. Just stop fucking complaining. |
| 00:11.45 | mveers | sorry |
| 00:11.47 | xam | StormShaman: 5) /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst might also need some modification (eg. the partitions might have changed slightly |
| 00:11.52 | thomas_adam | novice: What was it? You ask so many.... |
| 00:12.25 | StormShaman | xam, right, but assuming i keep partitions the same lilo won't need changing? |
| 00:12.30 | xam | StormShaman: /etc/network/interfaces is debian only. /etc/hostname only contains one line: the hostname of your machine |
| 00:12.41 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: You say you used gentoo before? |
| 00:12.56 | StormShaman | /etc/network/interfaces is debian only, so i have to set that up somehow |
| 00:13.03 | StormShaman | i'm using gentoo right now, thomas_adam |
| 00:13.04 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?query=interfaces |
| 00:13.07 | novice | thomas_adam: let me be a little more specific so....i need a idea about what should be "the easiest and workless way". |
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| 00:13.14 | t-jack | mechan0r: And another thing... Don't Call Me Dude. |
| 00:13.15 | xam | StormShaman: then you could copy it (however I would back up the files that came with debian) |
| 00:13.17 | thomas_adam | novice: To do what? |
| 00:13.20 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, third time i've been linked there |
| 00:13.27 | novice | thomas_adam: i got some problems when i installed solaris... |
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| 00:13.32 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: It is all about 'interfaces' READ it. :) |
| 00:13.34 | StormShaman | xam, copy what? |
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| 00:13.37 | _rene_ | StormShaman: just edit it? |
| 00:13.38 | Tezkah | that you were installing solaris?! |
| 00:13.47 | _rene_ | StormShaman: if you want to know gentoo stuff, ask in some gentoo channel |
| 00:13.47 | novice | thomas_adam: it's changed my swap partition |
| 00:13.53 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, i'm trying to, but i'm busy talking in #debian (here) |
| 00:14.00 | novice | Tezkah: actually i've done |
| 00:14.00 | thomas_adam | novice: Hmm, let me work through your logic here... #debian == #solaris? |
| 00:14.05 | _rene_ | StormShaman: man interfaces tells you how that file looks like |
| 00:14.08 | StormShaman | _rene_, i don't want to know gentoo stuff |
| 00:14.08 | xam | StormShaman: as I said, and example config for /etc/network/interfaces is in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz after you installed the base system |
| 00:14.13 | novice | thomas_adam: smart guy! :) |
| 00:14.18 | novice | nope! |
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| 00:14.33 | _rene_ | StormShaman: aha, got confused because you talking about gentoo, sorry |
| 00:14.38 | thomas_adam | novice: Right, so if that is "No" why would anyone give a toss about your solaris question in a #debian channel? |
| 00:14.38 | novice | thomas_adam: no, listen... |
| 00:14.50 | novice | thomas_adam: no man... |
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| 00:14.57 | thomas_adam | novice: Go on.... |
| 00:14.58 | _rene_ | StormShaman: you want to read man interfaces and look at the examples xam mentioned |
| 00:15.01 | novice | thomas_adam: easy...let me finish... |
| 00:15.01 | xam | novice: no vice |
| 00:15.27 | StormShaman | _rene_, i'll do that now |
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| 00:15.44 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: Because I /haven't/ been telling you to RTFM, have I? ;) |
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| 00:16.38 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, you have, and i've been trying to, but i've been busy talking in this channel |
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| 00:16.44 | novice | thomas_adam: when i installed solaris, my linux got some problems. i fixed some of them. but i think i got too many problems and i don't know if it's worth to spend time fixing them or reinstall everything again |
| 00:16.46 | StormShaman | now if you will excuse me, bbl |
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| 00:16.48 | ZenithDK | can someone tell me why my Java sucks? :-) |
| 00:16.50 | mechan0r | this is acceptable |
| 00:16.51 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, that's what I'm doing easy boy!! everytime Linux changes I have to brake my head trying to figure out!! Thanks again! |
| 00:16.52 | ZenithDK | I found out I had a export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_05/ in my .bashrc, but even adding export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH does no good |
| 00:16.56 | novice | thomas_adam: such as: my swap has gone! |
| 00:17.01 | thomas_adam | novice: If you reinstall, you'll never learn. |
| 00:17.09 | novice | thomas_adam: my gnome doesn't load anymore... |
| 00:17.23 | thomas_adam | novice: Lack of GNOME is a god-sent as far as I am concerned. |
| 00:17.28 | novice | thomas_adam: even dselect doesn't "select" the packages |
| 00:17.33 | thomas_adam | novice: They should have stuck with CDE. |
| 00:17.41 | ZenithDK | when I try to do a "java -version" it just gives me a: "zenith@nadir:~$ java -version |
| 00:17.43 | thomas_adam | novice: You don't use dselect - you use aptitude. |
| 00:17.45 | ZenithDK | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 00:17.47 | ZenithDK | java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object |
| 00:17.50 | ZenithDK | zenith@nadir:~$ |
| 00:17.54 | thomas_adam | ZenithDK: #java |
| 00:18.03 | thomas_adam | ZenithDK: Also, see /topic -- #flood |
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| 00:18.10 | ZenithDK | thomas_adam: will try, thanks |
| 00:18.13 | novice | thomas_adam: the OS is such....wierd. |
| 00:18.26 | ZenithDK | thomas_adam: yes :-( |
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| 00:18.37 | thomas_adam | jarango_: Your HW is fucked. |
| 00:18.47 | mechan0r | try 2.6.5 |
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| 00:20.15 | thomas_adam | novice: But I don't see how any of this is related to your solaris installation. |
| 00:21.00 | novice | thomas_adam: that's the point: "never learned". but i don't know if i can fix all the problems solaris brough me. i mean -- not sure if it's possible to fix. thus i need some help for...recognize a "allocated failure" from gnome. i have no idea about this error message. |
| 00:21.02 | jarango_ | thomas_adam: really ? |
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| 00:21.09 | thomas_adam | jarango_: No, I made it all up. |
| 00:21.17 | thomas_adam | jarango_: :| |
| 00:21.25 | NeoSadist | sweet ... there's a way to compile code into a server to tell it to chroot itself, then drop root priveleges |
| 00:21.39 | thomas_adam | "Really?" has to be the most *pointless* question anyone could ever ask. |
| 00:21.51 | thomas_adam | NeoSadist: script it. |
| 00:21.53 | NeoSadist | (making it impossible for a compromised server to help an attacker break out of the jail) |
| 00:21.56 | jarango_ | thomas_adam: seriously, have you ever come across this message ? |
| 00:22.02 | thomas_adam | jarango_: Yes, FFS> |
| 00:22.03 | novice | thomas_adam: though i fix lilo to load my linux again, i can't load solaris anymore. i was using the cdrom and "rescue root" parameter on the boot prompt. |
| 00:22.12 | thomas_adam | novice: slilo? |
| 00:22.20 | novice | thomas_adam: yes |
| 00:22.28 | jarango_ | thomas_adam: what causes it ? |
| 00:22.28 | mechan0r | jarango 2.6.7 did it to me 2.6.5 worked |
| 00:22.29 | novice | thomas_adam: slilo? or lilo? |
| 00:22.30 | NeoSadist | thomas_adam: can bash run C code directly on the shell? the only way i can see doing that is putting the C code in the server, unless i can run it in /etc/init.d/ssh for example, before the actual openssh command |
| 00:22.34 | thomas_adam | novice: Then you'll have to try and get slilo to play nice with linux.... |
| 00:22.42 | xam | NeoSadist: chroot != unbreakable |
| 00:22.43 | thomas_adam | NeoSadist: Of course nor. |
| 00:22.48 | NeoSadist | i'd think the server would refuse to run as non-root, so might not ... |
| 00:22.59 | mechan0r | bash cannot run c code |
| 00:23.00 | thomas_adam | jarango_: Like I said: "Your HW is fucked." |
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| 00:23.08 | NeoSadist | xam: yes, but if you're not able to get root, it makes that much harder |
| 00:23.08 | novice | thomas_adam: what about my swap partition? |
| 00:23.24 | thomas_adam | novice: What of it? |
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| 00:23.34 | kzim | hi |
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| 00:23.37 | jarango_ | thomas_adam: I wished I could just believe you. |
| 00:23.47 | NeoSadist | that's like comparing riding a bike (chroot when server runs as root) to riding a bike while juggling 15 oranges (chroot where server drops root abilities after launch) |
| 00:23.47 | thomas_adam | jarango_: It's up to you. |
| 00:23.55 | novice | thomas_adam: further, i would like to expand my solaris' partition (/dev/hda1). i have 1.9GB and would like to expand to 3GB. |
| 00:23.57 | mechan0r | jarango_ try 2.6.5 |
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| 00:24.04 | kzim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.35 | xam | s/recalled/recall |
| 00:24.39 | thomas_adam | novice: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/ResizingPartitions <-- possibly. |
| 00:24.46 | _rene_ | mechan0r: why he should be try 2.6.5 whith known security bugs? |
| 00:24.55 | novice | thomas_adam: my swap partition has been changed. |
| 00:25.06 | novice | thomas_adam: it doesn't exist anymore. |
| 00:25.06 | thomas_adam | novice: This is not in any way #debian related. |
| 00:25.11 | NeoSadist | oh well, i might "hack" openssh later ... :D |
| 00:25.21 | thomas_adam | novice: I've listened to you. It's more a solaris ballsup. |
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| 00:25.29 | thomas_adam | novice: #solaris |
| 00:25.33 | thomas_adam | novice: toodles. |
| 00:25.43 | novice | ok |
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| 00:25.59 | FlimFlamMan | how can i change my window manager? i can't take those goddamn Metacity window minimizations anymore. |
| 00:26.02 | jarango_ | mechan0r: Is it true what he's saying about hw problems ? |
| 00:26.18 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:26.23 | FlimFlamMan | thomas_adam, thx |
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| 00:26.44 | thomas_adam | jarango_: Don't talk about me in the third person. |
| 00:26.49 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, have you used openvpn before? Actually I'm looking for a way to communicate windows and Linux computer between them. But openvpn is not an options is there another way? |
| 00:26.50 | Leveller | Ok.. now i need to install a module in the new kernel for my NIC.. who can help me? :P |
| 00:26.58 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: wine. |
| 00:26.59 | Leveller | i know the module name and everything. |
| 00:27.05 | xzgv | kzim: elaborate, what's wrong? |
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| 00:27.06 | FlimFlamMan | off to test... |
| 00:27.07 | Leveller | but dunno how to do ;] |
| 00:27.08 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Just ask. |
| 00:27.15 | Leveller | i just did |
| 00:27.15 | _rene_ | Leveller: modprobe foo |
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| 00:27.20 | Leveller | oh.. |
| 00:27.21 | thomas_adam | Leveller: if it is installed, add the name to /etc/modules |
| 00:27.29 | Leveller | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.29 | Leveller | rtl8139 |
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| 00:27.36 | StormShaman | if DHCP is available, should I use it? |
| 00:27.37 | ShortWave | Murfle |
| 00:27.42 | ShortWave | use DHCP |
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| 00:27.44 | ShortWave | it's better |
| 00:27.48 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, wine? communicate the computers? they are in different physicall locations and I want them to connect to a Linux server I have so I can do remote desktop connection or so... |
| 00:27.49 | thomas_adam | Leveller: You probably want 8139too at best |
| 00:27.52 | xam | StormShaman: why not? It's up to you ;) |
| 00:27.53 | fpmc | I'm tyring to use amslatex stuff with latex, but it seems it's not installed, anyone help? |
| 00:27.53 | kzim | xzgv: hi i have a script that used strftime before but since debian reinstall it not work what do i need for make it work plz |
| 00:27.57 | StormShaman | why is it better than a static address? |
| 00:28.03 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Oh, right... No, sorry. |
| 00:28.05 | Leveller | thomas_adam, should i modprobe in the new or the old kernel ? |
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| 00:28.09 | Leveller | it just works in the old one. |
| 00:28.12 | ShortWave | StormShaman: Well it's less management with a pile of machines |
| 00:28.13 | StormShaman | sorry, i'm just curious about these things |
| 00:28.16 | Leveller | and do i have to recompile? |
| 00:28.22 | StormShaman | ShortWave, and with one machine? |
| 00:28.23 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, so, only openvpn |
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| 00:28.27 | ShortWave | StormShaman: For one or two machines tho, static IP is just fine. No big deal |
| 00:28.34 | jarango_ | thomas_adam: You are the most useless person I've known in IRC. You would do so much good to the community (and me) if you would either go away or ignore my questions .... |
| 00:28.45 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Depends. You can't load (easily) a module compiled on one kernel where the versions are different. |
| 00:28.52 | xzgv | kzim: what happens when you write the strftime? |
| 00:28.53 | xam | StormShaman: well, if your IP can change, then DHCP is obviously better. Otherwise there is no real advantage |
| 00:28.59 | thomas_adam | jarango_: Excuse me? |
| 00:29.03 | Leveller | thomas_adam, so i should boot to the old, modprobe and recompile? |
| 00:29.08 | ShortWave | jarango: ALlow me to introduce you to the /ignore command |
| 00:29.13 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Basically. |
| 00:29.22 | Leveller | thomas_adam, k.. rebooting now.. |
| 00:29.30 | StormShaman | if i set the ip to static it won't change, right/ |
| 00:29.31 | StormShaman | ? |
| 00:29.35 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: Correct. |
| 00:29.40 | ShortWave | StormShaman: yup |
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| 00:29.53 | StormShaman | but then |
| 00:29.54 | StormShaman | <xam> StormShaman: well, if your IP can change, then DHCP is obviously better. |
| 00:29.56 | xam | ShormShaman: don't forget to do "mkswap" and run "/sbin/lilo" (and point /etc/lilo.conf to the right kernel) |
| 00:29.58 | jarango_ | ShortWave: thanks... |
| 00:30.09 | SpIdeRwEv | ? |
| 00:30.16 | kzim | xzgv: write what mean ? |
| 00:30.16 | StormShaman | use dhcp if my ip can change, but it cna only change if i use dhcp? |
| 00:30.16 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: I've never used it, |
| 00:30.19 | ShortWave | The question is, does the IP *NEED* to change? |
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| 00:30.27 | t-jack | Can I install Unstable pkgs on Testing? |
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| 00:30.32 | SamBC | Anyone here use getmail? |
| 00:30.36 | SpIdeRwEv | StormShaman, use static for a dhcp server! |
| 00:30.37 | thomas_adam | t-jack: If you want to break your system, sure. |
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| 00:30.44 | xam | StormShaman: hen-egg problem? |
| 00:30.46 | ShortWave | An IP CAN change...but why do you need to change it? It's one thing if you have a lot of machines that you want to manage an IP pool for. |
| 00:30.46 | somiaj | t-jack: that doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 00:30.52 | xzgv | kzim: what happens when you re-type the strftime? what time/date are your trying to get? |
| 00:31.04 | kzim | strftime( "%Y%m%d") |
| 00:31.09 | kzim | i m noob :/ |
| 00:31.11 | jarango_ | ShortWave: what would be the full command to ignore him ? |
| 00:31.12 | mechan0r | t-jack yes |
| 00:31.13 | ShortWave | That way you don't have to manually assign a buncha IP addresses, nor do you have to remember which ones are already assigned to other machines |
| 00:31.17 | Leveller | thomas_adam, i get device or resource busy |
| 00:31.25 | Leveller | when probing |
| 00:31.25 | xam | StormShaman: what I meant is: if your ISP decides to give you a new IP address you have to use DHCP |
| 00:31.27 | ShortWave | jarango: Probably /help ignore will tell you |
| 00:31.32 | StormShaman | xam, oh |
| 00:31.33 | StormShaman | right |
| 00:31.33 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then it is already loaded. |
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| 00:31.38 | thomas_adam | Leveller: lsmod and see. |
| 00:31.38 | StormShaman | then i want DHCP in case i change ISPs |
| 00:31.40 | ShortWave | StormShaman: As well most ISP's do. |
| 00:31.41 | StormShaman | all right |
| 00:31.46 | t-jack | thomas_adam: somiaj Fine. I'll just break it otherwise, then. By local compile from kde-apps.org. |
| 00:31.48 | StormShaman | cable modem ISPs do? |
| 00:31.52 | FlimFlamMan | thomas_adam, gnome's still starting up with metacity :-( |
| 00:31.52 | SpIdeRwEv | yes |
| 00:31.56 | thomas_adam | t-jack: I really don't recommend it. |
| 00:31.58 | StormShaman | OK then |
| 00:32.01 | xam | StormShaman: most do. |
| 00:32.01 | ShortWave | Cox does |
| 00:32.01 | joh | how can I see where a package comes from? i.e. which source in sources.list |
| 00:32.03 | Leveller | thomas_adam, thats cause its the old kernel where it works, i need to get it into the NEW kernel. :] |
| 00:32.04 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: using GDM to login? |
| 00:32.07 | ShortWave | My IP changes daily |
| 00:32.08 | FlimFlamMan | thomas_adam, yeah |
| 00:32.23 | t-jack | thomas_adam: Is Testing that fragile? |
| 00:32.27 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: GDM and KDM are a pile of poo. They don't honour ~/.xsession. GDM uses ~/.gdmrc, IIRC. |
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| 00:32.38 | FlimFlamMan | i'll look |
| 00:32.40 | thomas_adam | t-jack: No, but the versions between libraries are. |
| 00:32.42 | jarango_ | ShortWave: don't understand the help. does not mention user ... |
| 00:32.56 | kzim | xzgv: awk: line 2: function strftime never defined |
| 00:33.05 | ShortWave | jarango: What client are you using? |
| 00:33.07 | kzim | xzgv: in `echo | awk '{ print( "/home/data/backup/Backup-Mush/back-all." strftime( "%Y%m%d") ".tgz") }'` |
| 00:33.11 | thomas_adam | jarango_: The only times I have seen softirq.c errors was when I either had nad HW, or it was a precursor to it. |
| 00:33.12 | xam | StormShaman: btw, I forgot you'll need to run "apt-setup" aswell |
| 00:33.17 | t-jack | thomas_adam: So sourcefile local compile can still be bad? |
| 00:33.18 | jarango_ | ShortWave: xchat |
| 00:33.19 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, then instead of gdm and kdm, what to use? |
| 00:33.23 | StormShaman | xam at which point in the install? |
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| 00:33.25 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: startx |
| 00:33.34 | StormShaman | right now i have |
| 00:33.37 | StormShaman | 1) create partitions & filesystems |
| 00:33.37 | StormShaman | 2) /etc/fstab |
| 00:33.37 | StormShaman | 3) /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:33.38 | StormShaman | <xam> StormShaman: as I said, and example config for /etc/network/interfaces is in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz after you installed the base system |
| 00:33.38 | StormShaman | 4) echo my-computer-name > /etc/hostname |
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| 00:33.47 | somiaj | t-jack: if ya have to ask, then I'd still say no, yes it is possible with correct admierstation to mix distros, but since testing is in the stabalization process, now is probably not the best time to do it (espically with something big like kde) |
| 00:33.48 | ShortWave | jarango: Ah, well right click on his name...and click Ignore |
| 00:33.52 | StormShaman | erm oops |
| 00:33.55 | xzgv | kzim: google for "strftime", choose the style you like and add it i guess. |
| 00:33.58 | xam | StormShaman: the last one. apt-setup just edits/creates /etc/apt/sources.list which specifices where apt-get should get its packages |
| 00:34.01 | somiaj | t-jack: s/distros/debian versions/ |
| 00:34.04 | dondelelcaro | StormShaman: see /topic, and kindly refrain from pasting... |
| 00:34.10 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, so If i remove gdm and xdm I will only have to do startx? but I will loose one tty |
| 00:34.18 | StormShaman | xam, so i add apt-setup after step 6? |
| 00:34.25 | Leveller | thomas_adam, Well, as i where saying. of course it conflicts when i modprobe in the old kernel. Cause its works there. I need to get it in the new kernel. How do i do that? |
| 00:34.27 | jarango_ | ShortWave: got it, thanks |
| 00:34.28 | kzim | xzgv: i alrady did that ... but no prob |
| 00:34.30 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: echo false >> /etc/X11/default-display-manager is easier, and so? |
| 00:34.52 | xam | StormShaman: or you can create /etc/apt/sources.list yourself ... |
| 00:35.10 | StormShaman | xam, anything automatic is likely the best step for me, hehe |
| 00:35.13 | xzgv | kzim: the strftime is not working, why? what time of date/time did you choose? |
| 00:35.25 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Right... you have to have the correct module compiled for the correct kernel. Without it, it will fail. If you don't have it, recompile. |
| 00:35.33 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, interesting... i should join more often, I'm learning... |
| 00:35.35 | xam | StormShaman: you can do it after you rebooted ... it's needed if you want to install additional packages or update the system |
| 00:35.45 | Leveller | thomas_adam, whats the command for making the new kernel again, and choose the modules in it. |
| 00:35.52 | StormShaman | xam, i certainly would think i do |
| 00:35.58 | thomas_adam | Leveller: make menuconfig |
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| 00:36.02 | t-jack | somiaj: One might wonder if fBSD or Gentoo were as unforgiving... I'd love to have Ultimate Utility(TM) but obviously, not at the cost of instability. |
| 00:36.07 | thomas_adam | Leveller: make-kpkg ....... |
| 00:36.10 | Leveller | thomas_adam, in /usr/src/linux*.*:*:* |
| 00:36.12 | Leveller | ? |
| 00:36.17 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Yes. |
| 00:36.19 | StormShaman | the only thing missing in this Debian installation, from my limited recollection of installing Gentoo, is the kernel |
| 00:36.19 | Leveller | k. |
| 00:36.23 | thomas_adam | Leveller: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:36.35 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Although, if you are this unsure....... |
| 00:36.38 | Leveller | k |
| 00:36.47 | Leveller | i did this a month ago |
| 00:36.47 | mechan0r | t-jack is that version not available as a deb? |
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| 00:36.51 | Leveller | but forgot most of it ;] |
| 00:37.17 | xam | StormShaman: yes, very likely. The debian base system is very small (IIRC about 100-200MB), and does not include X11, gcc, ... |
| 00:37.18 | t-jack | mechan0r: With some, there are -zero- .deb available. |
| 00:37.42 | somiaj | t-jack: I still don't see why you want to mix things, what is wrong with the package in sarge, and if it has a bug, check the BTS, they are being fixed, you are free to mix what ever the hell ya like, just don't expect #debian to help fix it once you do. |
| 00:37.51 | StormShaman | xam, so where in these steps do i install the kernel? |
| 00:37.57 | SpIdeRwEv | Leveller, make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg --revision=whatever.v1.2 kernel_image ; rm -rf /lib/modules/2.x.x ; cd /usr/src dpkg -i kernel-image blbla |
| 00:38.09 | Leveller | ... |
| 00:38.16 | t-jack | somiaj: Hard man... |
| 00:38.17 | StormShaman | xam, wait, if it has no gcc, how do i install stuff once i've done these step? |
| 00:38.17 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: err, no... |
| 00:38.24 | SpIdeRwEv | Leveller, after choosing the supported hardware |
| 00:38.38 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, well that's what I do and works, what should I change? |
| 00:38.51 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: YOu don't go rm'ing anything. 'mv' is much friendlier. |
| 00:38.57 | xam | StormShaman: before you install lilo/grub. The kernel should come with the base-system IIRC. Just point /etc/lilo.conf to the right location (not recommended solution would be to copy your old kernel and /lib/modules/<kernel-version> to the debian installation |
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| 00:39.26 | Leveller | SpIdeRwEv, i just need to find the module.. somewhere in the menuconfig :P ..looking atm.. |
| 00:39.38 | StormShaman | xam, got it, i don't want to use my gentoo-optimized kernel. debootstrap installs the kernel, you say? |
| 00:39.39 | thomas_adam | Leveller: RTL 8139? It's in there. |
| 00:39.42 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, well, whatever |
| 00:39.45 | xam | StormShaman: once you rebooted, you do a "apt-setup; apt-get update" and then "apt-get install gcc" |
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| 00:40.05 | joh | anyone? how can I see where a package comes from? i.e. which source in sources.list |
| 00:40.13 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: "This much"? |
| 00:40.20 | SpIdeRwEv | just asking |
| 00:40.21 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: (and kindly not /msg me ;)) |
| 00:40.29 | Leveller | thomas_adam, im sure it is.. just looking for it... ;] |
| 00:40.34 | StormShaman | xam, how long will those take? a long time? |
| 00:40.34 | xam | StormShaman: should at least. Look in /boot ... |
| 00:40.38 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, just for that one, I know |
| 00:40.46 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: :) |
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| 00:40.59 | thomas_adam | Leveller: I've selected it countless times. |
| 00:41.08 | Leveller | thomas_adam, i havent :] |
| 00:41.11 | mekemba | 2 |
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| 00:41.11 | mekemba | 323 |
| 00:41.13 | Leveller | Im searching :P |
| 00:41.19 | mekemba | 21 |
| 00:41.25 | SpIdeRwEv | Leveller, what kernel? |
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| 00:41.39 | t-jack | somiaj: It's not that I'm so desperate to -mix branches-. It's that there are utility missing in OFFICIAL apt-get. |
| 00:41.39 | StormShaman | will any of this become difficult by the fact that i want to use reiserfs? is there a reason not to use it perhaps? |
| 00:41.46 | xam | StormShaman: I have a local debian mirror here (ie. all neccessary packages on the hard disk). I did a debootstrap two weeks ago, and it took a little more than 5mins |
| 00:41.50 | Leveller | SpIdeRwEv, hold on.. i found it |
| 00:41.54 | Leveller | it was marked with a * |
| 00:41.59 | Leveller | but i changed to M now.. |
| 00:42.05 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then it is inbuilt. So? |
| 00:42.06 | StormShaman | xam, OK |
| 00:42.16 | Leveller | thomas_adam, it DOESENT work with the new kernel. |
| 00:42.21 | Leveller | it should. |
| 00:42.28 | mechan0r | t-jack, hmm Pantera acolytes |
| 00:42.37 | thomas_adam | Leveller: If it doesn't work, why would you thinking a module would help? |
| 00:42.44 | xam | StormShaman: well, you have to mkfs.reiserfs and make sure you are using a kernel that supports reiserfs (well, I suppose any recent kernel supports it) |
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| 00:42.46 | t-jack | mechan0r: blegh :P |
| 00:43.03 | Leveller | thomas_adam, i dunno. Is there any other way to solve the problem ? :] |
| 00:43.18 | xam | StormShaman: and your /etc/fstab must contain the correct line aswell of course ;) |
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| 00:43.20 | Leveller | Im not that into linux.. i do config stuff when i need to .. with help mostly. |
| 00:43.23 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Go ahead and rebuild your kernel. |
| 00:43.24 | StormShaman | xam, mkfs.reiserfs? on gentoo it was mkreiserfs iirc |
| 00:43.29 | mechan0r | and the drummer |
| 00:43.33 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, the question i ask, and never get a response with... Does it really make a difference with inherited and module the hardware that you always use? |
| 00:43.34 | t-jack | mechan0r: Ready to Blow Your Speakers? |
| 00:43.39 | Leveller | thomas_adam, and theeen? ;] |
| 00:43.45 | Leveller | trial and error. |
| 00:43.47 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then we'll modprobe it. |
| 00:43.50 | xam | StormShaman: well, your Gentoo tool to create a reiserfs filesystem ... |
| 00:43.51 | Leveller | k |
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| 00:44.04 | mechan0r | t-jack that better be no idel threat |
| 00:44.05 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: Can you re-phrase that, please? |
| 00:44.10 | mechan0r | er idle |
| 00:44.16 | StormShaman | xam, so it's not a standard program, different distros have different ones? |
| 00:44.24 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: Yup. |
| 00:44.37 | _rene_ | erm? |
| 00:44.40 | t-jack | mechan0r: Second song, crank that mother. |
| 00:44.43 | _rene_ | there *is* a standard |
| 00:44.48 | SpIdeRwEv | thomas_adam, if you use a NIC in you machine, will you load it in the kernel as module and load it in /etc/modules or will you make it inherited in the kernel tree? |
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| 00:44.52 | xam | StormShaman: yes, but most the times it is called mkfs.reiserfs or similar |
| 00:44.52 | StormShaman | that's weird, all i'm doing is formatting a drive, why wuold i need several different variants? |
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| 00:44.58 | mechan0r | Queen wannabe's |
| 00:45.01 | _rene_ | mkreiserfs or something like that |
| 00:45.07 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: It makes no difference. |
| 00:45.17 | thomas_adam | SpIdeRwEv: I use modules. |
| 00:45.21 | Leveller | SpIdeRwEv, the new kernel is 2.6.7 for answering your question a bit late. |
| 00:45.23 | StormShaman | xam, at some point i'm going to have to recompile the kernel, right? or is there no need, and that's only in gentoo? |
| 00:45.39 | mechan0r | see this is kind amusing |
| 00:45.45 | StormShaman | _rene_, ED is the standard! |
| 00:45.48 | StormShaman | :P |
| 00:45.53 | mechan0r | while it lasted |
| 00:45.53 | somiaj | StormShaman: cause there are selever different' ways to deal with a file system. |
| 00:45.54 | _rene_ | StormShaman: you normally don't need it |
| 00:45.55 | xam | StormShaman: there is usually no real need |
| 00:45.56 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: Depends on what HW you have. Some people live fine with bloated stock kernels. |
| 00:45.59 | _rene_ | StormShaman: wtf is ED? |
| 00:45.59 | Leveller | *rebooting* |
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| 00:46.23 | StormShaman | _rene_, ed man! !man ed |
| 00:46.31 | _rene_ | ah |
| 00:46.51 | bhearsum | is there a meta package for the base system? i don't seem to have gcc, or make..or automake, or other basics |
| 00:46.52 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, is there anything a stock kernel doesn't have that i'd need? |
| 00:46.52 | _rene_ | I would have recognized it being lowercase but I though it was a abbreviation as you typoed it uppercase :) |
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| 00:46.55 | thomas_adam | Yes, but ed is not an acronym.... |
| 00:46.58 | Leveller | holy shit |
| 00:47.06 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: I doubt it. |
| 00:47.07 | Leveller | i overwrote grub with lilo |
| 00:47.08 | Leveller | "#¤%"#¤5 |
| 00:47.14 | zinx | somiaj: why wouldn't you? :/ |
| 00:47.23 | thomas_adam | Leveller: How did you have both bootloaders installed? |
| 00:47.27 | libv | bhearsum: apt-get install gcc ... etc |
| 00:47.29 | NeoSadist | Leveller: then do the opposite again |
| 00:47.29 | xam | StormShaman: possible, but unlikely, because most things are compiled in (as modules) in the debian kernels |
| 00:47.33 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: why not? |
| 00:47.38 | convert | nailbiter, OK it's a workin' :) I had that err so I had to disconnect and put the dial up on the client directley and tried to installed rcconf. It gave me errs that -F didn't fix. Yet, it worked. i ran it and *ed xdmcp. Viola. |
| 00:47.39 | bhearsum | libv: theres gotta be a way to get it in one haul |
| 00:47.41 | thomas_adam | bhearsum: build-essential |
| 00:47.41 | somiaj | zinx: I guess I think of bitorrent as the file sharing network, where ya don't know where your getting it, not just as a file transfer meathod. |
| 00:47.46 | bhearsum | ahhh |
| 00:47.56 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, like appletalk? |
| 00:47.56 | thomas_adam | _rene_: Just seems... excessive. |
| 00:48.01 | zinx | somiaj: bittorrent isn't really much of a file sharing network |
| 00:48.03 | mechan0r | er |
| 00:48.04 | Leveller | thomas_adam, its not that hard. just when you type lilo it overwrites |
| 00:48.05 | Leveller | :P |
| 00:48.07 | StormShaman | xam, ah |
| 00:48.17 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: yeah, useless :) |
| 00:48.17 | libv | bhearsum: i've always been happy apt-getting really |
| 00:48.28 | bhearsum | i don't think the bonzai linux cd installs it by default (don't ask why i used it, heh) |
| 00:48.29 | nailbiter | convert: cool. moving your modem onto the terminal client seems horrifically unnecessary, though .. |
| 00:48.41 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: but not necessarily bad |
| 00:48.50 | thomas_adam | _rene_: I did not say it was bad. |
| 00:48.53 | Leveller | NeoSadist, whats the command to write grub to mbr? |
| 00:48.56 | Leveller | with the new conf |
| 00:48.56 | zinx | somiaj: you required the .torrent (which has lots of checksums), and the tracker to be up (which someone has to run) |
| 00:49.00 | _rene_ | (I don't know how the kernel-image postinst recognizes what it should do, though) |
| 00:49.05 | zinx | somiaj: erh, s/required/require/ |
| 00:49.13 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: oh, ok, I should stop interpreting sentences ,) |
| 00:49.24 | zinx | somiaj: if you're getting your .torrent from a trusted place, you can be fairly certain you're getting the right file |
| 00:49.28 | somiaj | zinx: ahh, I guess I'd just goto debian.org if I wanted debian iso's and use an offical mirror. |
| 00:49.37 | nailbiter | Leveller: 'grub-setup'? |
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| 00:49.42 | Leveller | k |
| 00:49.45 | t-jack | mechan0r: Are you ready for this? |
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| 00:49.50 | Leveller | uhm.. |
| 00:49.53 | Leveller | no it wasnt |
| 00:49.57 | nailbiter | Leveller: oops -- 'grub-install'. |
| 00:50.04 | convert | nailbiter, I had hoped to switch to local "X" when my server (real comp) might be down but it's so slow taht perhaps it's best. I guess I need to trim up the start up on it for this popose. ideas? Sound? Good point on the dial-up. |
| 00:50.07 | mechan0r | the next song? |
| 00:50.11 | nailbiter | Leveller: you can also start the grub shell and do it from there. |
| 00:50.24 | Leveller | nailbiter, how? |
| 00:50.38 | StormShaman | so once i have bootstrapped, and emerged gcc, i'll want to emerge X and GNOME and all that good stuff? |
| 00:50.38 | Leveller | so |
| 00:50.47 | Leveller | grub-install /dev/hda1 (my mbr) |
| 00:50.47 | Leveller | ? |
| 00:50.54 | xam | StormShaman: you DON'T 'emerge' |
| 00:50.59 | StormShaman | ack! |
| 00:50.59 | nailbiter | Leveller: run 'grub-install /dev/hda' if you want to install GRUB to the MBR on /dev/hda. |
| 00:50.59 | StormShaman | i mean |
| 00:51.00 | thomas_adam | Leveller: If that's where everything is... |
| 00:51.02 | StormShaman | whatever |
| 00:51.02 | xam | StormShaman: you do apt-get |
| 00:51.02 | Leveller | k |
| 00:51.03 | StormShaman | it is |
| 00:51.10 | zinx | Leveller: uhm, /dev/hda1 doesn't have a master boot record.. :/ |
| 00:51.15 | StormShaman | xam, right, sorry |
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| 00:51.18 | StormShaman | bad habit |
| 00:51.21 | nailbiter | convert: that's a good idea. |
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| 00:51.23 | zinx | Leveller: the master boot record is at the beginning of the physical drive |
| 00:51.33 | Leveller | yep |
| 00:51.35 | xam | StormShaman: it downloads precompiled packages, therefore there is no need for gcc in the default install |
| 00:51.35 | convert | nailbiter, That isa modem is a hardware one and fast anyway. |
| 00:51.42 | StormShaman | so once i've apt-got (apt-getted?) gcc, i apt-get other stuff? |
| 00:51.43 | zinx | Leveller: the lesser ones are at the beginning of partitions ;) |
| 00:51.45 | mechan0r | rock a by baby has put me in a need to destroy something |
| 00:51.47 | Leveller | dev/hda2 = / dev/hda1 = first one. |
| 00:51.48 | Leveller | :P |
| 00:51.51 | walkah | anyone got any hints for a workaround to apache2 bug #266145 ? |
| 00:51.52 | gate | can anyone point me in the direction of some docs to help me with the building of the latest nvidia drivers and testing. I can't seem to build the modules with the right version of gcc and I tried changing the make files |
| 00:51.52 | convert | nailbiter, ...on the old comp (terminal) :) |
| 00:51.52 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: edit root's ~/.profile, add: alias emerge='apt-get' |
| 00:51.54 | StormShaman | xam: but i want to compile X, i think |
| 00:52.00 | Leveller | i dunno why i made it that way.. but yep. |
| 00:52.03 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: Then go back to using gentoo. :) |
| 00:52.09 | nailbiter | convert: why don't you just use the terminal server as a dialup gateway? you can then download packages on any machine on your home network. |
| 00:52.10 | xam | StormShaman: no, you don't want to compile anything ;) |
| 00:52.17 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, no i think i'll be fine |
| 00:52.22 | thomas_adam | gate: Why the hell do you want to do that? |
| 00:52.26 | mechan0r | at least some stuff is Live |
| 00:52.35 | convert | nailbiter, I though it might be isolated. |
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| 00:52.44 | gate | thomas_adam: I like to play a game every once in a while |
| 00:52.44 | xam | StormShaman: you CAN, but you don't want to ... compiling for a 5% speedup is pointless |
| 00:52.46 | StormShaman | the ##linux people and in the past, #debian people, say compile X |
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| 00:52.47 | convert | nailbiter, ...guess not. |
| 00:52.49 | thomas_adam | gate: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:52.57 | nailbiter | convert: isolated? |
| 00:52.58 | thomas_adam | gate: I like moon-buggy |
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| 00:53.08 | sussudio | moon-buggery? |
| 00:53.09 | StormShaman | they said nothing else really matters but X does if you use it a lot |
| 00:53.23 | xam | StormShaman: I'm pretty sure noone in debian recommended to *compile* X |
| 00:53.26 | _rene_ | StormShaman: the only thing which matters a bit is the kernel |
| 00:53.28 | somiaj | StormShaman: you can compile packages if ya prefer, check out /msg dpkg simple sid backport, but there is really little reason to do so, debians binarys work fine. |
| 00:53.38 | _rene_ | StormShaman: X etc. have such a minor effect that is pointless |
| 00:53.51 | convert | nailbiter, you know, that XDMCP is just KDM. But then ther the net as you're saying. i getting up on it. |
| 00:54.09 | t-jack | mechan0r: How was that? |
| 00:54.09 | convert | nailbiter, I'll be right back......... |
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| 00:54.24 | StormShaman | OK, no compile |
| 00:54.25 | t-jack | mechan0r: Whet your appetite yet? |
| 00:54.25 | xam | StormShaman: try the precompiled binaries, and if you think they are too slow for you, you can compile it anytime you want |
| 00:54.40 | mechan0r | I like the blow your speakers part |
| 00:54.47 | mechan0r | this is ok too |
| 00:54.55 | StormShaman | xam, if compiling X gives me a 5% increase of speed, does that include speeding up OpenGL apps? |
| 00:55.25 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: You've been brainwashed, haven't you? |
| 00:55.28 | t-jack | Jesse Bolt's always good... for something. :) |
| 00:55.38 | FlimFlamMan | so, my options with metacity are to either accept the window animation that looks and works like complete dogshit, or check on "reduced resources" and deal with window-dragging that looks and works like complete dogshit. great. |
| 00:55.41 | StormShaman | because with my ATI R100 i can hardly do opengl at all |
| 00:55.50 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: or use fvwm. |
| 00:55.52 | sussudio | !do opengl |
| 00:55.58 | _rene_ | StormShaman: trust us, there is no real speed increase... |
| 00:56.07 | t-jack | !opengl |
| 00:56.08 | dpkg | i guess opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 00:56.08 | mechan0r | hey as long as it doesn't sound like Rad racer music |
| 00:56.11 | FlimFlamMan | thomas_adam, i can't seem to get other wm's to interact well with the gnome panels etc |
| 00:56.11 | sussudio | !tell StormShaman about gentoo syndrome |
| 00:56.13 | StormShaman | _rene_, OK, it's just that with a card that bad, every fps counts |
| 00:56.18 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: fvwm can and does. |
| 00:56.23 | FlimFlamMan | ok, i'll try |
| 00:56.28 | xam | StormShaman: well, there is no real point in doing OpenGL stuff with a R100 anyway ;) |
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| 00:56.46 | StormShaman | xam, under XP i get a respectable 15-20FPS in UT2003 :P |
| 00:56.47 | convert | nailbiter, back. |
| 00:56.51 | StormShaman | sometimes even 30 |
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| 00:56.54 | nailbiter | convert: hello. |
| 00:57.05 | StormShaman | and counterstrike goes just fine |
| 00:57.11 | somiaj | thomas_adam: hmm, you need to create an fvwmteddy!....:P |
| 00:57.19 | mechan0r | ok now something interesting but they need to pick it up soon or I'm going to be very upset |
| 00:57.25 | thomas_adam | somiaj: :) xhelix is on the way.... |
| 00:57.28 | StormShaman | but under gentoo (assuming same for other distros) i can hardly play a simple 3d racing game |
| 00:57.34 | sussudio | s/teddy/badger/ |
| 00:57.41 | convert | nailbiter, So trimming, sound and I guess I can get back to the old lin box for my fam if my (server) is down. |
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| 00:57.46 | t-jack | sussudio: I want official Debian pkgs for kicker applets that show the same utility as a full plugin set for gkrellm. |
| 00:57.47 | thomas_adam | sussudio: xbadger ? |
| 00:57.49 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: heh |
| 00:57.53 | xam | StormShaman: well, as I said. Try it out, if it is too slow, and you think the 5% (or whatever insignificant percentage) is really worth it, compile it |
| 00:57.56 | sussudio | thomas_adam: xmushroom, xsnaaake |
| 00:58.01 | StormShaman | OK |
| 00:58.01 | scarynetworkguy | I'd install xbadger |
| 00:58.02 | thomas_adam | sussudio: If you can find a suitable badger for inclusion with xteddy, I will include it. |
| 00:58.05 | somiaj | StormShaman: partly is because linux isn't stupid and doesn't give a userland program direct access to the hardwear. |
| 00:58.11 | t-jack | sussudio: I think I'll just hafta learn to do it myself. |
| 00:58.13 | mechan0r | hmm |
| 00:58.28 | mechan0r | hardwear |
| 00:58.32 | FlimFlamMan | whoa, fvwm seems pretty horrible at first glance. and it put window decorations on my gnome panels :-) |
| 00:58.33 | fpmc | on debian web site there's a tool to input file names and get the packages that contain such files. Can I do that with apt-cache? |
| 00:58.45 | StormShaman | somiaj, because linux isn't stupid, i can't play games at high FPS? |
| 00:58.53 | StormShaman | that's fucked up |
| 00:58.57 | thomas_adam | FlimFlamMan: Try not to read 'man fvwm', it's blank and contains nothing useful. |
| 00:59.03 | FlimFlamMan | heheh, i know |
| 00:59.20 | convert | nailbiter, Remeber i have a 5yr old, 4 (barely) and non tech spose :) |
| 00:59.24 | somiaj | StormShaman: the reason you get the higer FPS in windows is cause directX gives direct access to the hardwear, which is fine for games, but is a bad thing to let a system do...... |
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| 00:59.48 | mechan0r | t-jack this is actually interesting |
| 00:59.51 | convert | nailbiter, They have there own "family" login now on the server. |
| 00:59.58 | somiaj | thomas_adam: hehe, have ya read the jargon file? |
| 00:59.59 | nailbiter | convert: cool. :) |
| 01:00.04 | StormShaman | somiaj, so linux is not a very good gaming platform... |
| 01:00.04 | xam | StormShaman: if you cannot get debian installed via debootstrap, try the bootfloppies or the netinstall-CDs ... MUCH simpler than debootstrap, everything I told you is done for you by the debian-installer |
| 01:00.10 | thomas_adam | somiaj: Bits and pieces. |
| 01:00.27 | xam | StormShaman: yes, it is not |
| 01:00.30 | Xenguy | sussudio: LOL |
| 01:00.44 | nailbiter | convert: i'm only half-present at my terminal right now, so sorry if i can't seem to carry on a conversation .. |
| 01:00.46 | somiaj | StormShaman: I wouldn't recomend it as a gaming platform, first and formost its really limited, you can play games on it, and I do, but if your wanting a gaming system, windows is the way to go. |
| 01:00.54 | zarchne | well, *X* has direct access to the hardware, no? |
| 01:01.02 | xam | StormShaman: a good gaming platform is the playstation2 or a gamecube |
| 01:01.03 | t-jack | sussudio: After all the homosexual atcivity of First Olympiad? |
| 01:01.03 | mechan0r | Stormshaman just set it up so DRI is mode 660 |
| 01:01.04 | somiaj | StormShaman: or buy a console game system (ps2, xbox, gamecube), and use a computer for computing... |
| 01:01.08 | StormShaman | sussudio, how is that irony? that's stupidity |
| 01:01.21 | StormShaman | xam, not very |
| 01:01.22 | Xenguy | StormShaman: think about it =) |
| 01:01.25 | somiaj | thomas_adam: ahh just courious, ran across that a few months back |
| 01:01.26 | convert | nailbiter, THis is so cool (albeit a bogger bear to set up, thank you), everything I've worked toward in my own personal migration on my new box "server" is available on the old comp (-3D graphic,sound,?) |
| 01:01.33 | thomas_adam | StormShaman: You've heard the song by Alanis Morissette, no? |
| 01:01.39 | convert | nailbiter, Understood. |
| 01:01.45 | sussudio | athletes in the original olympics were all stark bollocks naked. |
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| 01:01.52 | StormShaman | thomas_adam, nope |
| 01:02.00 | StormShaman | sussudio, oh right |
| 01:02.08 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: olympic butts? |
| 01:02.10 | Xenguy | sussudio: oh, I thought it was the 'greek' part ;-) |
| 01:02.16 | mechan0r | sussudio, no women were allowed |
| 01:02.18 | thomas_adam | sussudio: How old *are* you? |
| 01:02.20 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: views of rear-ends of the athletes |
| 01:02.23 | t-jack | sussudio: Don't forget greased up like pigs... |
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| 01:02.26 | xam | thomas_adam: but what Alanis Morissette sings about are actually no examples of "irony" |
| 01:02.37 | thomas_adam | xam: No? You don't *say*. |
| 01:02.44 | polux | hi |
| 01:02.51 | xam | thomas_adam: now *that* was ironic |
| 01:03.09 | StormShaman | no, that was sarcastic |
| 01:03.09 | thomas_adam | Piggy: ham.... |
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| 01:03.35 | xam | StormShaman: it's both ;) |
| 01:03.37 | Leveller | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.7/modules.dep (No such file or dir.. ) |
| 01:03.43 | Leveller | What do i do ? :P |
| 01:03.48 | StormShaman | xam, it's not ironic... |
| 01:03.50 | polux | when apt-get dist-upgrading i get a problem with libgtksourceview-common which is trying to replace a file which is owned by another package |
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| 01:03.52 | xam | Leveller: update-modules |
| 01:03.55 | nailbiter | convert: you _can_ get sound going, after a fashion. install and test 'esound' on the terminal client, and remote audio should immediately work for most GNOME applications. it's a little harder with KDE. |
| 01:03.56 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: for some reason I doubt it... probably some sort of greek equivalent of the religious right going nuts... |
| 01:03.57 | polux | (debian sid) |
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| 01:04.01 | t-jack | g4lt: Not waste time with useless poses, just do it. :) |
| 01:04.07 | dave | Anyone know of a graphical compression utility that is compatible with zip files (like winzip, but for linux)? |
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| 01:04.18 | nailbiter | dave: 'zip', in the 'zip' package. |
| 01:04.20 | Leveller | xam, from the old or the new kernel ? |
| 01:04.20 | mechan0r | dave zip |
| 01:04.23 | dondelelcaro | dave: why the hell do you want a graphical compression utility? |
| 01:04.29 | _rene_ | polux: serious bug. report it. what's this package it tried to overwrite stuff from? |
| 01:04.32 | t-jack | mechan0r: Gypsy time. :) |
| 01:04.34 | xam | Leveller: the command "update-modules" |
| 01:04.35 | mechan0r | dave file-roller |
| 01:04.36 | _rene_ | polux: and: welcome in sid :) |
| 01:04.37 | dave | dondelelcarc: because my parents don't understand command-line stuff. |
| 01:04.41 | whirm | dave:ark and file-roller |
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| 01:04.43 | Leveller | xam, nothing happend. |
| 01:04.46 | Leveller | happened. |
| 01:04.49 | nailbiter | dave: oh -- a GUI front-end? 'ark', if you're using KDE. 'file-roller' for GNOME. |
| 01:04.51 | thomas_adam | file-roller is a PITA. JUST USE THE CLI. |
| 01:04.51 | Leveller | and im in the new kernel. |
| 01:04.57 | dave | nailbiter: thanks |
| 01:04.59 | han_ | is it save to use sid, mainly for desktop use, Gimp, openoffice, Kino, .... |
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| 01:05.15 | dondelelcaro | dave: or just teach them how to use unp |
| 01:05.17 | polux | _rene_: /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/vbnet.lang which is owned by libgtksourceview-cil |
| 01:05.19 | dondelelcaro | !unp |
| 01:05.24 | mechan0r | sid is safe for openoffice |
| 01:05.25 | StormShaman | dondelelcaro, why do you think graphical compression utilities are popular on windows? you don't have to open up a console |
| 01:05.27 | dondelelcaro | !info unp |
| 01:05.30 | thomas_adam | polux: That's a dpkg-divert issue. |
| 01:05.30 | _rene_ | aha |
| 01:05.34 | convert | nailbiter, Hehe, I was thinking about their (win) kids games (blues clues) that work with wine. I need to test wineX. Is sound out of the Q over term for those? |
| 01:05.34 | dpkg | unp: (unpack (almost) everything with one command), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 01:05.43 | _rene_ | serious bug. report it if it isn't already |
| 01:05.43 | dave | dondelelcaro: I'll be sure to give them a full lesson in command line tomorrow. :) |
| 01:05.46 | Guerin | han_: it's never safe to use sid |
| 01:05.46 | polux | thomas_adam: what is dpkg-divert ? |
| 01:05.48 | _rene_ | !openoffice |
| 01:05.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, openoffice is a GPL Gtk based Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See #debian-oo http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice for debs. try 'deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ stable main contrib' if mirrors from the first URL do not work |
| 01:05.53 | thomas_adam | polux: report the bug. |
| 01:05.59 | t-jack | thomas_adam: file-roller has saved my (sorry Piggy) bacon many times. But no I wouldn't use it in general practice. |
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| 01:06.10 | Leveller | thomas_adam, any tip ? |
| 01:06.11 | dondelelcaro | dave: unp is actually easier to use than any gui program, frankly... you just pop open a console, and type 'unp foofile.zip' |
| 01:06.12 | nutshell42 | what package is responsible if gtk apps don't render any text at all the mozilla ui font is part arabic micro-mini/part none but gecko itself renders webpages just fine? |
| 01:06.13 | han_ | Guerin, so I better stick to sarge??? |
| 01:06.13 | _rene_ | ops here, how can you change dpkg's answers? |
| 01:06.15 | dondelelcaro | dave: blamo. Everything is done. |
| 01:06.16 | thomas_adam | Leveller: For? |
| 01:06.27 | xam | StormShaman: why do you think graphical compression utilities are so unpopular with linux? there is always a console open ... ;) |
| 01:06.27 | mechan0r | uh this is not music |
| 01:06.27 | dondelelcaro | _rene_: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:06.33 | Leveller | thomas_adam, modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.7/modules.dep (No such file or dir.. ) i dont have a 2.6.7 directory in /lib |
| 01:06.34 | polux | _rene_, thomas_adam : ok, i'm reporting it, but is there a fast way to repare that ? |
| 01:06.37 | _rene_ | this answer is bogus |
| 01:06.37 | thomas_adam | _rene_: factoid =~ s/this/that |
| 01:06.37 | dondelelcaro | _rene_: and /msg dpkg help corrections |
| 01:06.38 | nailbiter | convert: on wineX? sound _should_ work. |
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| 01:06.42 | t-jack | han_: Your kernel will eventually collapse under Sid. |
| 01:06.43 | StormShaman | xam, that depends entirely on who you are |
| 01:06.43 | _rene_ | because openoffice does not exist :-P |
| 01:06.44 | Guerin | han_: yeah. |
| 01:06.49 | _rene_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:06.55 | StormShaman | xam, but the real answer is, of course, Emacs |
| 01:06.56 | Guerin | StormShaman: and whether you're a complete muppet or not. |
| 01:06.58 | mechan0r | openoffice.org |
| 01:07.00 | dondelelcaro | _rene_: well, it used to exist, and now is openoffice.org. |
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| 01:07.16 | g4lt | Guerin meat puppet is not abbreviated muppet |
| 01:07.18 | daWinni | how do i add a permanent route to my routing table? |
| 01:07.22 | han_ | OK, just a question, I worked for 6 months with gentoo, but here I ame again ;-) |
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| 01:07.23 | t-jack | mechan0r: Have a Riot! Do The Dance Of Death. |
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| 01:07.26 | thomas_adam | daWinni: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:07.28 | Guerin | g4lt: no, a muppet is something different. |
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| 01:07.47 | nailbiter | convert: again, you'd have to set up 'esound' on the terminal client to get remote audio with wine applications. |
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| 01:07.57 | dondelelcaro | han_: if you have to ask if it's safe to use sid, unstable is not for you. |
| 01:08.08 | StormShaman | a muppet is like a puppet but is manipulated from below |
| 01:08.08 | convert | nailbiter, cool! BTW, some say KDM is broke on that remote login unless perhaps an upstream fix. i have the newest testing (KDM) but I think we've bypassed and moved forward (Thank You) |
| 01:08.09 | daWinni | thomas: thx |
| 01:08.10 | t-jack | mechan0r: I disagree. Thi's cool stuff. |
| 01:08.13 | StormShaman | instead of from above |
| 01:08.16 | thomas_adam | daWinni: LOL, NP. |
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| 01:08.22 | daWinni | ;-) |
| 01:08.23 | convert | nailbiter, Right, esound. |
| 01:08.24 | Guerin | like if you have to ask if the safety catch is on, you shouldn't be holding that firearm |
| 01:08.26 | han_ | dondelelcaro, lol |
| 01:08.30 | thomas_adam | Oh, how I take the piss.... |
| 01:08.38 | mechan0r | t-jack no they weird stuff before it |
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| 01:08.55 | _rene_ | ok, will change it (and the URL..) tomorrow, now to bed (3am...) |
| 01:08.55 | Leveller | thomas_adam !? |
| 01:08.56 | Leveller | :] |
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| 01:09.00 | Leveller | thomas_adam, modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.7/modules.dep (No such file or dir.. ) i dont have a 2.6.7 directory in /lib |
| 01:09.04 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Ye'sir? |
| 01:09.07 | Leveller | What do i do? |
| 01:09.07 | t-jack | mechan0r: Same song, tho. |
| 01:09.11 | thomas_adam | Leveller: depmod -a |
| 01:09.20 | han_ | dondelelcaro, We have a webserver were we even stick to woody,.... |
| 01:09.21 | xam | StormShaman: well, I grew up in a unix world, rather than a window environment, so I know windows only as a platform to play doom and get virusses |
| 01:09.22 | thomas_adam | Leveller: (as root) |
| 01:09.25 | Leveller | k |
| 01:09.39 | convert | nailbiter, I guess I'll catch you later on the trim down o the ole box. |
| 01:09.44 | dondelelcaro | han_: if you're running in production environments, that's what you do. Running something !stable in production is insane. |
| 01:09.45 | Leveller | thomas_adam : depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 01:09.52 | thomas_adam | Leveller: install module-init-tools |
| 01:09.56 | charzero | What is the package for a JRE ? |
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| 01:10.00 | StormShaman | xam, surely you've had some exposure to windows and macos? some? |
| 01:10.06 | thomas_adam | charzero: /msg dpkg java |
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| 01:10.19 | Leveller | thomas_adam apt-cache search module-init ? |
| 01:10.20 | Leveller | :P |
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| 01:10.22 | t-jack | StormShaman: A muppet is a puppet you can manipulate like a marionette. |
| 01:10.27 | thomas_adam | Leveller: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 01:10.31 | Leveller | k |
| 01:10.34 | StormShaman | xam, amiga was actually like the mac |
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| 01:10.42 | xam | StormShaman: I had short exposure to Windows 2.0 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 |
| 01:10.44 | dondelelcaro | amiga was like the amiga. |
| 01:10.57 | mechan0r | StormShaman, mac was like the amiga |
| 01:11.05 | xam | StormShaman: but I had more exposure to NeXTstations and -cubes |
| 01:11.08 | StormShaman | haha, both of above are true |
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| 01:11.17 | han_ | dondelelcaro, yep, but gnome 2.6 is so beautifull, and gimp 2 so great .... and if I stick to stable or testing I would miss it... |
| 01:11.17 | Leveller | thomas_adam, dont forget to put a.. what they called.. in swedish straight-over-translated its: chin-blanket |
| 01:11.22 | Leveller | that babies have |
| 01:11.23 | Leveller | :P |
| 01:11.28 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Explain... |
| 01:11.34 | Leveller | nm |
| 01:11.34 | Leveller | :P |
| 01:11.36 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Circumflex? |
| 01:11.36 | eeyore- | Leveller: bib |
| 01:11.39 | StormShaman | xam, so you have never used an OS that gravitates mainly around the GUI and uses very little CLI? |
| 01:11.48 | dondelelcaro | han_: there are things called backports... and theres no way in hell that you'd care about gnome 2.6 and gimp 2 in production. |
| 01:11.48 | t-jack | mechan0r: Zoot Suit Riot in leather warrior armor? |
| 01:11.53 | Guerin | han_: both those are in testing |
| 01:12.01 | Leveller | thomas_adam, dont know the word in english |
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| 01:12.09 | TheBlueWizard | no, Amiga is pretty unique in its own right....not like Mac at all (and yes, I still own two Amigas here) |
| 01:12.10 | Xenguy | StormShaman: only losedows ;-) |
| 01:12.12 | scarynetworkguy | Leveller: bib |
| 01:12.15 | Leveller | but when babies spit out the food it end up in it |
| 01:12.17 | thomas_adam | Leveller: I don't even know how to say "Hello" in Swedish. |
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| 01:12.20 | _rene_ | openoffice =~ s/linux.debian.de\/openoffice/openoffice.debian.net/ |
| 01:12.24 | Leveller | thomas_adam its "hej" ;] |
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| 01:12.30 | polux | thomas_adam: i reported it by mail following the instruction but i just saw the reportbug tool...should i do it again to make sure it reaches the bts faster or is there no difference ? |
| 01:12.32 | _rene_ | erm. wrong window :) |
| 01:12.32 | mechan0r | Leveller that's called the floor |
| 01:12.35 | eeyore- | Leveller: bib, 1. A small piece of cloth worn by children over the breast, |
| 01:12.36 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.37 | xam | StormShaman: and lately with Windows 2000/XP (due to frieds who play games) |
| 01:12.38 | Leveller | mechan0r, hehe |
| 01:12.40 | StormShaman | Xenguy, apparently xam hasn't even used windows much, except at early stages |
| 01:12.40 | han_ | Guerin, nope, Gimp is not yet, something with the tiff library that is not ready for the 11 architectures.... |
| 01:12.41 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: actually, gimp 2.0 hasn't made it in yet... but it will... |
| 01:12.49 | StormShaman | xam, oh ok |
| 01:12.50 | Leveller | eeyore-, yeah. k. thats it. |
| 01:13.01 | Guerin | ah, the tiff lib |
| 01:13.05 | thomas_adam | polux: No, but install reportbug anyway as it has other useful apps such as 'querybts'. |
| 01:13.05 | t-jack | xam: Here comes your Ozzie... |
| 01:13.22 | Xenguy | StormShaman: amazing - there's actually 2 other ppl I know that have never used d0ze |
| 01:13.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yerp. not to mention the fact that alpha has been slow as shite. |
| 01:13.29 | mechan0r | um oh no |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, i thought that was just GTK2 :) |
| 01:13.47 | StormShaman | whoever said no one in production would care about gimp 2 obviously hasn't upgraded, it's a hell of a lot better |
| 01:13.49 | xam | StormShaman: well, I'd say I grew up with the command line. I'm familiar with GUI and like the desktop concept, when it is done correctly (like in NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP) |
| 01:13.58 | polux | thomas_adam: i can't install it anymore :) |
| 01:14.09 | thomas_adam | polux: Fingers broken? |
| 01:14.12 | _rene_ | sig, typos in there but I now managed it |
| 01:14.18 | polux | thomas_adam: apt broken |
| 01:14.18 | han_ | StormShaman, Yep .... Nerds !!!!! |
| 01:14.25 | thomas_adam | polux: Be more specific. |
| 01:14.26 | _rene_ | interestinly dpkg does not understand \/ :) |
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| 01:14.40 | thomas_adam | _rene_: do use a different delimiter. |
| 01:14.41 | StormShaman | xam, but that used the cli as much as the gnome or kde of today, even more perhaps, right? |
| 01:14.52 | thomas_adam | _rene_: s#foo/#bar# |
| 01:14.53 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: yeah, did that a few secs ago |
| 01:15.00 | _rene_ | thomas_adam: just noticed that :) |
| 01:15.02 | Leveller | thomas_adam, so i go back to the old kernel, get the moduleinittools, go into the new kernel and do the depmod -a ? |
| 01:15.03 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 01:15.15 | jamesr | recently my kde3.1.2 hangs silently at 'Initializing system services' for any user. I strongly suspect this is due to a printer I added - is there a way to remove this while being unable to get into any kde X programs? |
| 01:15.15 | xam | StormShaman: wrong. You hardly used Terminal.app under NeXT, unless you were a developer |
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| 01:15.16 | jamesr | startx is the thing actually hanging, rather |
| 01:15.20 | StormShaman | xam, oh ok |
| 01:15.28 | polux | thomas_adam: apt-get ask me to run apt-get -f install to repair the libgtksourceview-common issue, but it is still not working |
| 01:15.28 | mechan0r | All Right!] |
| 01:15.34 | mechan0r | finally |
| 01:15.39 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Yes, but that's a long-arse way of doing it. Why not keep the new kernel, install module-init-tools, and then run depmod -a? |
| 01:15.53 | thomas_adam | Leveller: No need to do all this rebooting bollocks, then. |
| 01:15.54 | StormShaman | xam, well, if that's the case, and you used next, and you extracted files on it, then you have experienced a graphical archive manager |
| 01:16.04 | thomas_adam | polux: Oh, I see.... |
| 01:16.07 | jamesr | or should I try a different channel? |
| 01:16.21 | convert | nailbiter, What the cheapest, best graphic terminal or is it almost always an old comp? |
| 01:16.29 | Leveller | thomas_adam, cause i need to get the NETWORK INTERFACE CARD running in the NEW kernel. Thats why i have to change back all the time. :D |
| 01:16.34 | Guerin | StormShaman: do you have a point somewhere in your rantings about guiness? |
| 01:16.38 | thomas_adam | Leveller: That's fine... |
| 01:16.44 | StormShaman | Guerin, not really |
| 01:16.46 | Leveller | no it sucks. |
| 01:16.47 | polux | thomas_adam: is there a way to repair such problems quickly (file replacement problems) |
| 01:16.48 | Leveller | :] |
| 01:16.52 | StormShaman | Guerin, why do you ask? |
| 01:16.58 | Guerin | StormShaman: well at least you're honest about it |
| 01:17.04 | thomas_adam | polux: dpkg-divert will do it. Give me the error. |
| 01:17.19 | Xenguy | Guerin: Smithwicks! |
| 01:17.22 | han_ | dondelelcaro, what I mainly do is, install the system in Sarge and than install packages I want from unstable (like Gimp), untill know this works fine.... |
| 01:17.23 | StormShaman | Guerin, of course, why would I lie about such a trivial thing? |
| 01:17.32 | sussudio | http://dshield.org/top10.php |
| 01:17.39 | mechan0r | YES! |
| 01:17.47 | polux | thomas_adam: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/vbnet.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-cil |
| 01:18.02 | daWinni | thomas: do i also add _non_ default routes to /etc/network/interfaces? i am a little bit confused. |
| 01:18.03 | xam | StormShaman: well, it had something that you could call that. However it was more like what windows XP is doing with zip files (emulating a folder) |
| 01:18.04 | polux | thomas_adam: that was in dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.0.1-3_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 01:18.15 | StormShaman | xam, ah, OK |
| 01:18.18 | thomas_adam | daWinni: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:18.31 | mechan0r | t-jack ! |
| 01:18.33 | thomas_adam | polux: That's not the error. |
| 01:18.35 | daWinni | thomas: just add another route, beside the default one |
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| 01:18.45 | xam | StormShaman: well, that was 1988 |
| 01:18.47 | Leveller | thomas_adam : WARNING: Couldnt open directory /lib/modules/2.6.7 No such file or dir. |
| 01:18.52 | Leveller | !! |
| 01:18.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:19.01 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then you fucked your install of the kernel right up. |
| 01:19.01 | polux | thomas_adam: do you want the whole error message ? |
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| 01:19.09 | thomas_adam | polux: Yes, I don't do guessing games. |
| 01:19.11 | t-jack | I must say there are some really bizarre pkgs in apt-get.org. Why the hell would you want Metacity with Always On Top?! |
| 01:19.15 | xam | StormShaman: didn't take Microsoft to long to copy that |
| 01:19.17 | StormShaman | xam, 8-bit color systems in the year of my birth? unbelievable! |
| 01:19.19 | thomas_adam | polux: What you have supplied is NOT an error message. |
| 01:19.21 | Leveller | thomas_adam, solution? |
| 01:19.23 | codeus | Ok, I'm about to reboot, how do I get networking enabled in Debian? |
| 01:19.28 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Install it properly. |
| 01:19.34 | polux | thomas_adam: then i can't paste it here, i paste it in a private message |
| 01:19.34 | Leveller | thomas_adam ok... sigh. |
| 01:19.37 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Tell me the commands you used. |
| 01:19.40 | StormShaman | funny, when i was young macs were still monochrome |
| 01:19.41 | t-jack | mechan0r: You like Ozzie? |
| 01:19.44 | thomas_adam | polux: No, #flood |
| 01:19.53 | thomas_adam | !tell polux about msg |
| 01:19.56 | thomas_adam | polux: YOU FOOL. |
| 01:20.02 | sussudio | !pity polux |
| 01:20.02 | thomas_adam | Ugh.... |
| 01:20.03 | dpkg | I pity da fool polux! |
| 01:20.05 | polux | oops |
| 01:20.09 | StormShaman | haha |
| 01:20.12 | mechan0r | like? like is a measly shiver of a word |
| 01:20.15 | StormShaman | Mr. T |
| 01:20.15 | polux | to late, sorry |
| 01:20.16 | StormShaman | lol |
| 01:20.21 | thomas_adam | polux: Paste it in #flood. |
| 01:20.24 | polux | ok |
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| 01:20.40 | Leveller | thomas_adam, i went into the usr/src/linux2.6.7whatyevr/ make menuconfig add stuff that i need.. Save the file , copying it to /boot/newkernel adding it in grub conf, saving grub, booting up new kernel. |
| 01:20.41 | dad | help: Aug 17 15:36:54 slavedriver kernel: usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed dev 3 ep 0x87 len 6 ret -110 |
| 01:20.43 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:20.49 | Guerin | gah, wrong window |
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| 01:20.57 | han_ | StormShaman, I own one of thos first Macs ... (actualy is it still is in the house were my patents live, the paye for it,.... |
| 01:21.02 | xam | StormShaman: a couple of years later (at least 1991) it was 24bit (with the nextdimension boards) |
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| 01:21.08 | nailbiter | convert: well, it depends on what you want the X terminal to do. |
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| 01:22.19 | StormShaman | xam, well why is it that macs were monochrome when other systems were color? i though macs were always current with technology back then |
| 01:22.23 | Xenguy | OT: humour URL (you best have broadband) - http://www.angelfire.com/yt3/blackie1/Vid/Haters.avi |
| 01:22.27 | thomas_adam | Leveller: You didn't (hahahaha) think to type "make" ? |
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| 01:22.53 | xam | StormShaman: perhaps because the NeXTs costed about 4 times as much? |
| 01:22.53 | thomas_adam | Leveller: and a 'make clean' beforehand ? |
| 01:22.56 | nailbiter | convert: if you're after something that can comfortably host KDE and GNOME apps, any old PC will do. even a Pentium 166 can do this superlatively well .. |
| 01:22.59 | han_ | StormShaman, that is / was a myth ... |
| 01:23.11 | Leveller | thomas_adam yes.. but someone told me now that i didnt make_modules install thing |
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| 01:23.16 | StormShaman | xam, ah |
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| 01:23.28 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Plebs. |
| 01:23.34 | mechan0r | nailbiter barely if your hd is slow |
| 01:23.44 | nevyn | nailbiter: given sufficient ram |
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| 01:23.46 | han_ | StormShaman, just like OSX is supposed to be ahead .... |
| 01:23.47 | Leveller | thomas_adam plebs? :] |
| 01:23.52 | nailbiter | nevyn, mechan0r: this is for an X terminal. |
| 01:23.59 | nevyn | oh. |
| 01:24.05 | mechan0r | ok this is not bad |
| 01:24.05 | daWinni | thomas: any hint, how to add a second gateway? |
| 01:24.07 | nevyn | then it's not the host it's the xserver. |
| 01:24.10 | t-jack | xam: 24-bit what? |
| 01:24.18 | nevyn | the host is the thing that runs X clients. |
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| 01:24.33 | nailbiter | nevyn: i guess 'to host' is the wrong word. :) 'to display' is probably better . |
| 01:24.36 | xam | t-jack: graphics. NeXTDimension boards |
| 01:24.46 | nevyn | nailbiter: yes. |
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| 01:24.48 | nailbiter | nevyn: my bad. :) |
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| 01:25.00 | xam | t-jack: they even called it "32bit" IIRC |
| 01:25.13 | StormShaman | why call 24-bit 32-bit? |
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| 01:25.24 | t-jack | xam: whew Had me worried thinking 24-bit sound had been around for 14 years. |
| 01:25.28 | StormShaman | that's like calling that one line of palms 16-bit when it was 12-bit |
| 01:25.37 | thomas_adam | Leveller: 'make && make modules_install' |
| 01:25.49 | edolnx | Greetings, is there a how-to somewhere for rebuilding/backporting a sid package to woody? |
| 01:26.24 | t-jack | edolnx: backports.org, apt-get.org |
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| 01:26.31 | Leveller | thomas_adam i did it now.. i got if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae F System.map 2.6.7; fi is that a command i also should use? |
| 01:26.58 | t-jack | !backports |
| 01:26.58 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 01:27.20 | Motoko | What's the name of that program to configure the network easier? |
| 01:27.28 | xam | StormShaman: 32bit is just 24bit, the 8bits are not used for colour (often just wasted memory, due to memory alignment reasons) well there actually exist graphics card with more than 24bit colour (eg. matrox with 30bit) ... |
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| 01:27.33 | edolnx | t-jack: Neither of them had the packages I needed, nor did they have documentation on how to do a backport |
| 01:27.46 | Motoko | it's like ehconfig |
| 01:27.47 | thomas_adam | Leveller: make clean; make && make modules_install |
| 01:27.53 | thomas_adam | Leveller: run that, and nothing else. |
| 01:28.02 | Motoko | ethconfig |
| 01:28.07 | t-jack | edolnx: Get that factoid? |
| 01:28.09 | mhall | StormShaman you can also use them for z-buffering or fog |
| 01:28.13 | thomas_adam | Motoko: etherconf |
| 01:28.26 | mechan0r | matrox does 30bit? |
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| 01:28.27 | Leveller | k |
| 01:28.29 | mhall | StormShaman nobody likes making 24-bit memory buses, procs, and addressing systems |
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| 01:28.31 | StormShaman | mhall, yes fog in '88? |
| 01:28.39 | xam | mhall: on recent graphic cards, yes |
| 01:28.41 | StormShaman | OK |
| 01:29.02 | mhall | xam precisely, i was just trying to be complete |
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| 01:29.12 | Motoko | thanx |
| 01:29.40 | edolnx | t-jack: Yes, thanks. I figured out the dpkg-source part by myself, but I cannot get it to work. I get a error about patch control file missing and it doesn't unpack the archives. |
| 01:29.43 | mhall | I got a Sun Ultra 2 Enterprise SMP, dual 200 mHz procs, and dual 5GB 7200RPM SCSI disks, and 512MB RAM, for $100. Good deal or not? |
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| 01:30.28 | xam | mhall: okay-good |
| 01:30.47 | StormShaman | what kind of RAM? |
| 01:30.50 | quiet | hey guys I'm back... isn't there a way to burn CDs through command? |
| 01:31.14 | thomas_adam | quiet: cdrecord |
| 01:31.19 | edolnx | quiet: cdrecord if I understand your question correctly |
| 01:31.19 | xam | quite: no, in linux everything is done via GUI |
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| 01:31.24 | jeebes | Hello folks |
| 01:31.34 | ubb | hmm, irssi always hides usernames of people who does emotes |
| 01:31.35 | StormShaman | cdrdao? |
| 01:31.35 | xam | quite ;-P ... cdrecord |
| 01:31.52 | StormShaman | ubb: only with a white background |
| 01:32.02 | quiet | what's up |
| 01:32.10 | han_ | StormShaman, the monochrome issue is als a thing for graphic designers and printers. There are some grphic designer that still use greyscale screens,.. In the 80's and beginning of the 90's most priniting was done in B&W, so collor screens made no sence for prepress... |
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| 01:32.47 | ubb | by default, are icons in enlightenment menus always huge? |
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| 01:33.17 | StormShaman | han_, ok |
| 01:33.24 | StormShaman | well, gotta go |
| 01:33.26 | skel | is it possible to scp between two remote hosts without keys setup? |
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| 01:33.33 | mhall | xam I think I'll get it one of the Sun Quad Fast Ethernet SBus cards and make it into a monster box. |
| 01:33.33 | Guerin | !fuck kprinter |
| 01:33.42 | mhall | xam And use it to take over the world. woohoo! |
| 01:34.01 | quiet | dlsfklskd |
| 01:34.05 | xam | mhall: running Linux? good luck ;) |
| 01:34.14 | Guerin | the interaction between kprinter, cups and oo.o just breaks randomly every few months |
| 01:34.18 | han_ | StormShaman, the 32 bit things is a little the same story, the human eye can not see 32 bit, but you can print in 32 bit,.... But not all humans see thye same 24 bit, that is why the 32 bits are usefull |
| 01:34.21 | Guerin | it's fucking evil |
| 01:34.22 | mhall | xam it works fine on my sparcstation 5, other than silo |
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| 01:34.31 | jeebes | anyone know of a good video editor for linux? |
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| 01:34.37 | mhall | xam but i'm with a .edu as a researcher, so i can get a complimentary slowlaris |
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| 01:34.47 | pole | wtf, i just removed a 9+ GB directory and it didnt free up any space! |
| 01:34.49 | mhall | xam it's just that, slowlaris is sux |
| 01:34.59 | jeebes | the debain repositories didn't seem to have anything that was useful |
| 01:35.00 | xam | mhall: it's running on my SS20 and my SS LX, but merely 'running' as 'booting' and 'not hanging' |
| 01:35.07 | t-jack | han_: So there can never be a 64-bit printing system? |
| 01:35.08 | quiet | This is his teACHER HE'S SUSSPOSED TO BE IN CLASS taking a test e's go to go now |
| 01:35.10 | ubb | jeebes, mencoder |
| 01:35.15 | mhall | xam ?, it ran for 400 days on my old IPX |
| 01:35.16 | jeebes | thankee |
| 01:35.28 | mhall | xam and do you suppose you could help me with my silo.conf? |
| 01:35.43 | mhall | xam i've been asking around, heh it's just not happening for me |
| 01:35.48 | xam | mhall: as I said, it is stable, but not 'quick' |
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| 01:36.03 | tam | how is it you can get debian to just display '$' in a bash terminal instead of the full path? |
| 01:36.11 | han_ | t-jack, I ame not sure about that, but I do not think it make a lot of sence, the human eye can distiguish about 10 milion collors.... |
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| 01:36.23 | Guerin | tam: you want the bash prompt howto at tldp.org |
| 01:36.30 | tam | thanks Guerin |
| 01:36.31 | mhall | tam you have to change the contents of the PS1 environment variable |
| 01:36.44 | mhall | tam i suggest you do what Guerin said to learn what to do |
| 01:36.51 | obtix | how do i figure out what display i am using? |
| 01:36.56 | xam | mhall: the machines are in the computer room at the university ATM, can't login remotely (at least I shouldn't be able to) |
| 01:37.04 | xam | mhall: but shoot away |
| 01:37.11 | mhall | xam i'll paste bin it |
| 01:37.32 | han_ | obtix, what do ya mean,.... |
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| 01:37.51 | obtix | han_: like my x display "program --display=?" |
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| 01:38.13 | obtix | mozilla-thunderbird is mess up again |
| 01:38.17 | ubb | if you use 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' do you type mozilla-firefox to start the browser? |
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| 01:38.24 | jeebes | mencoder doens't want to work |
| 01:38.27 | han_ | Oops beyond my scope ;-) |
| 01:38.34 | Fulcrum99 | Anyone know where I can find digest-md5.el? It doesn't appear to be present in Debian. |
| 01:38.37 | xam | ubb: 'firefox' should work |
| 01:38.40 | thomas_adam | ubb: And you haven't tried this yourself, because.....? |
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| 01:38.47 | ubb | I did |
| 01:39.00 | ubb | not sure if that's right since it didn't work |
| 01:39.05 | jeebes | ubb: for me they both work |
| 01:39.16 | ubb | if it said DISPLAY not set, where should I go for help? |
| 01:39.25 | thomas_adam | ubb: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | less |
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| 01:39.40 | obtix | what do i put for display in x? like my x display "program --display=?" |
| 01:39.43 | anarcat | hello |
| 01:39.50 | xam | mhall what is your silo problem? |
| 01:39.56 | anarcat | i am having problems with my backspace key in screen(1) |
| 01:39.59 | thomas_adam | obtix: Be more specific. |
| 01:40.06 | anarcat | in fact, my problem is exactly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg03542.html |
| 01:40.13 | anarcat | but there is no response i nthat thread |
| 01:40.18 | xam | mhall I had problems with silo and 2.4/2.6 kernels on my SS LX aswell |
| 01:40.22 | jeebes | ubb: what window manager are you in |
| 01:40.24 | thomas_adam | anarcat: right.... and you can't read the manpage for screen and stty, because...? |
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| 01:40.35 | anarcat | thomas_adam: i read it |
| 01:40.36 | ubb | enlightenment |
| 01:40.39 | mhall | xam Well I don't seem to have the proper kernel image name format, and for my 2.6 kernel, it's too big for silo to load |
| 01:40.41 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Don't lie. |
| 01:40.44 | anarcat | thomas_adam: well, i grepped them |
| 01:40.47 | anarcat | :) |
| 01:40.51 | mhall | xam i am gonna have to shrink it with initrd :-( |
| 01:40.56 | obtix | thomas_adam: how so? when i run mozilla-thunderbird as a reg user (it works as root) i get the error "Error: No running window found" there is a --display option that i think fixed it last time |
| 01:40.59 | thomas_adam | anarcat: So you lied... OK. |
| 01:41.04 | mhall | xam first off let's see if i can get my not-too-large 2.4 to work |
| 01:41.05 | anarcat | thomas_adam: ok, i'll go back to reading them, but I really feel like the problem is elsewhere |
| 01:41.06 | xam | mhall: yes, the old 2MB size limit |
| 01:41.09 | anarcat | thomas_adam: yes, i lied. |
| 01:41.09 | mhall | xam i had to get ssh going |
| 01:41.17 | thomas_adam | obtix: You're su'ed into a shell prompt, aren't you? |
| 01:41.18 | mhall | xam now for paste bin |
| 01:41.28 | obtix | thomas_adam: no, i am not |
| 01:41.29 | t-jack | mechan0r: Can you believe this is Bullet Boys? |
| 01:41.29 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Start at the top of the page, and READ. |
| 01:41.43 | anarcat | thomas_adam: and i'm sure i know pretty well how stty works, maybe i missed some stuff in screen |
| 01:41.43 | thomas_adam | obtix: what does 'echo $DISPLAY' say? |
| 01:41.51 | anarcat | thomas_adam: thank you very much mister. |
| 01:42.07 | xam | mhall: paste bin? |
| 01:42.19 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Incidentally, I googled quickly for you... I can see quite a few goodpages on screen. |
| 01:42.19 | obtix | thomas_adam: :0.0 |
| 01:42.26 | thomas_adam | obtix: Then that's bollocks. |
| 01:42.37 | obtix | thomas_adam: bollocks? |
| 01:42.38 | han_ | thomas_adam, yep m to :0.0 |
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| 01:42.41 | mhall | xam http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=671 |
| 01:42.41 | mechan0r | hmm |
| 01:42.41 | ubb | bash: less: command not found.. |
| 01:42.41 | anarcat | thomas_adam: i tried that, didn't find anything but the above url |
| 01:42.52 | anarcat | thomas_adam: the tldp howto doesn't seem to be of help either |
| 01:42.56 | mhall | xam it stores text on a CGI server so you don't have to flood irc channels with BS |
| 01:43.01 | han_ | thomas_adam, but here everythings works fine |
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| 01:44.12 | xam | mhall: yeah, see those quite often. Don't use it thogh |
| 01:44.22 | mechan0r | t-jack it's not too bad |
| 01:44.26 | anarcat | thomas_adam: what keywords did you look for in google out of curiousity? |
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| 01:44.34 | thomas_adam | anarcat: linux screen tips |
| 01:44.50 | t-jack | mechan0r: Just put in my last song for the night. Helix "Rock You". I think I'll dedicate it to helix |
| 01:44.54 | anarcat | thomas_adam: thank you |
| 01:44.56 | mhall | xam i would post it to my HTTP server, but doh, my university uses dumb NAT despite having way more than the number of IPs it would need to do direct addressing |
| 01:44.59 | obtix | thomas_adam: bah, i fixed it on my own i ran it with sudo permissions then closed it and opened it reg. and it worked ODD |
| 01:45.00 | mhall | xam bastards |
| 01:45.07 | xam | mhall: does it stop after loading the kernel and before uncompressing? |
| 01:45.16 | thomas_adam | obtix: well, well.... |
| 01:45.23 | mhall | xam no the mem problem only happens on 2.6 |
| 01:45.24 | croepha|home | how do i fix this: Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less performance code) /dev/dsp: Input/output error Could not mmap /dev/dsp |
| 01:45.27 | mhall | xam this won't load at all |
| 01:45.28 | mechan0r | t-jack howcome they don't show the dedications |
| 01:45.41 | xam | mhall: huh? |
| 01:45.42 | mhall | xam i should tell you, /boot is /dev/hda2 and / is /dev/hda3 |
| 01:45.59 | mhall | xam it refuses to load that god damn kernel image unless i punch the following in by hand: |
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| 01:46.02 | t-jack | mechan0r: You gotta buy a membership to dedicate. |
| 01:46.06 | mechan0r | womens |
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| 01:46.28 | Inept | re |
| 01:46.31 | croepha|home | anyone play quake III on linux? i am having trouble getting sound to work |
| 01:46.36 | mhall | xam it gives the boot: from the second loader, and i have to put, "2/vmlinux-2.4.26-sparc32 root=/dev/sda3" |
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| 01:46.42 | t-jack | mechan0r: I don't have one. A membership, I mean. |
| 01:46.45 | Leveller | thomas_adam now i get Module 8139 not found. |
| 01:46.48 | mhall | xam sorry meant sda before not hda, btw |
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| 01:46.52 | Leveller | depmod -a didnt do shit. |
| 01:47.00 | mhall | xam also, vmlinuz, not vmlinux |
| 01:47.03 | thomas_adam | Leveller: depmod -a && modprobe 8139too |
| 01:47.17 | thomas_adam | Leveller: It does a lot of shit. |
| 01:47.17 | Inept | is it possible for MPlayer to dump a networkstream to a file and simultaneously play it? |
| 01:47.25 | mhall | xam so, then, i took the image name i typed to get the second loader to open, and put that in silo.conf, but it did the same thing |
| 01:47.30 | Leveller | thomas_adam: FATAL: Module 8139 not found. |
| 01:47.30 | mhall | xam it's confusing |
| 01:47.37 | t-jack | ! seen helix |
| 01:47.38 | dpkg | helix is currently on #debian #debian-women #debian-ops. Has said a total of 36376 messages. Is idling for 2h 4m 55s |
| 01:47.41 | Leveller | it WAS in the menuconfig |
| 01:47.42 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Did I tell you to type that? |
| 01:47.42 | Leveller | i dont get it |
| 01:47.50 | deadcat | Leveller: what kernel you using? |
| 01:47.53 | Leveller | 2.6.7. |
| 01:47.53 | thomas_adam | Leveller: depmod -a && modprobe 8139too <---- look. |
| 01:47.57 | Leveller | ahhh |
| 01:47.59 | nailbiter | Inept: it appears not. you might just have to start a second mplayer on the file being dumped to .. |
| 01:48.02 | xam | mhall: seems that silo is not aware of the correct /boot partition, so you have to specify with 2/ |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | i didn't know there was a #debian-women channel |
| 01:48.13 | t-jack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.16 | deadcat | Leveller: or try modprobe -l |grep 8139too |
| 01:48.16 | Leveller | YAY ! |
| 01:48.17 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I'm in.... |
| 01:48.18 | Leveller | its up ! |
| 01:48.22 | muadib | what does vm mean with vmzlinuz ? |
| 01:48.24 | mhall | xam right, no problem, but 2/ only works at the prompt, not in silo.conf |
| 01:48.27 | Leveller | :D:D:D:D:D:D |
| 01:48.27 | sussudio | Leveller: TMI. |
| 01:48.31 | mhall | xam and that's why i'm confused |
| 01:48.32 | Inept | nailbiter: yeah... i know but that requires a double bandwith... |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that's just wrong |
| 01:48.37 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Oh, btw... there's a street party down drury lane to celebrate. |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you won't get a date that way |
| 01:48.42 | croepha|home | what is mmap? |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | thomas_adam: in where? |
| 01:48.50 | mechan0r | guys let the womens alone |
| 01:48.51 | nailbiter | Inept: no, it doesn't -- the second mplayer process would be playing off disk. :) |
| 01:48.53 | xam | mhall: any way to reinstall silo with hints to /boot? |
| 01:48.55 | mhall | xam i also tried specifying drives and parts with PROM paths because it said you could but that doesn't work either |
| 01:48.56 | thomas_adam | !tell croepha|home -about mmap |
| 01:48.59 | Leveller | thomas_adam now when its probed.. do i have to probe everytime at boot or is it saved somehow? |
| 01:49.00 | mechan0r | they need a place to bitch about us |
| 01:49.04 | t-jack | I swear E and Oprah has ruined American women. |
| 01:49.10 | Guerin | mechan0r: fuck off |
| 01:49.16 | thomas_adam | Leveller: echo 8139too >> /etc/modules |
| 01:49.21 | Inept | nailbiter: heh! great idea! thanks! |
| 01:49.25 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then it will load at each boot. |
| 01:49.25 | abrotman | t-jack: what does E have to do with it? |
| 01:49.31 | Guerin | t-jack: so what ruined american men? |
| 01:49.37 | xam | t-jack: E as i eminem? or extacy? |
| 01:49.38 | mhall | xam i installed it as a partition loader on the boot partition, and then set the prom to boot from it using the eeprom command to set boot-dev |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | Guerin: american women :) |
| 01:49.44 | Leveller | thomas_adam, thanks |
| 01:49.46 | Guerin | entertainment! |
| 01:49.49 | croepha|home | thomas_adam, i dont think that relates to me, i am looking for informations about sound and mmap |
| 01:49.49 | t-jack | Guerin: Rock And Roll |
| 01:49.49 | mhall | xam and silo loads fine but won't load the kernel |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | t-jack: what does E have to do with it? |
| 01:50.02 | Guerin | t-jack: naw, that's the only thing american men have going for them :) |
| 01:50.04 | thomas_adam | croepha|home: Oh, you want google.com |
| 01:50.14 | Leveller | thomas_adam, what do i do if i miss dpcpd ? to get new ip when putting ifconfig eth0 up ? :] |
| 01:50.17 | Inept | have you heard that MD5 collisions were found? |
| 01:50.19 | t-jack | Guerin: :P :) |
| 01:50.24 | mechan0r | t-jack this is not bad |
| 01:50.25 | croepha|home | thomas_adam, thanks, i was getting there |
| 01:50.31 | mhall | Inept really? md5crk worked? |
| 01:50.33 | Leveller | sussudio prolly.. badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger |
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| 01:50.43 | t-jack | abrotman: E intertainment for women... |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | mushrooom! |
| 01:50.47 | Inept | mhall: look here: http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.html |
| 01:50.49 | thomas_adam | sussudio: That flood was pretty bad. I was hoping for some pasties to come floating by, but alas.... :( |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | t-jack: huh? the magazine? |
| 01:51.05 | mechan0r | Guerin I meant they need a break from guys going into #debian-women |
| 01:51.10 | ull | can anyone give me a hand with kernel 2.4 and ipmsq? |
| 01:51.12 | thomas_adam | abrotman: apt error |
| 01:51.13 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerSURFBOARD |
| 01:51.14 | ull | ipmasq* |
| 01:51.19 | t-jack | abrotman: Oprah magezine |
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| 01:51.21 | abrotman | !confuse me |
| 01:51.21 | dpkg | no, who is my pants yesterday, abrotman? by order of the dictatorship of belarus with extra crabpaste |
| 01:51.32 | Inept | btw, CRYPTO'04 live talks about hash collisions start in ten minutes. mms:// stream is already working |
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| 01:51.45 | t-jack | !crabpaste |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | yay crappaste |
| 01:51.52 | Guerin | mechan0r: they do? How the fuck would you know? |
| 01:51.53 | abrotman | uh . |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | crabpaste |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | t-jack: it's the cheesesteak of england |
| 01:52.13 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 01:52.14 | dpkg | i heard cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 01:52.15 | t-jack | !dirtydance with crabpaste |
| 01:52.16 | xam | mhall: did you try something like sd(0,2,0)2/vmlinux.gz ? |
| 01:52.28 | thomas_adam | dpkg: I'm there, baby! |
| 01:52.28 | dpkg | thomas_adam: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:52.36 | mechan0r | Guerin did you see the reaction in this channel when ppl found out there's a debian-women channel? |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | mechan0r: huh? |
| 01:53.00 | mechan0r | I rest my case |
| 01:53.06 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: Did you know my reaction was in jest |
| 01:53.13 | xam | mhall: you can also specify the partition with "partition = 1" for example |
| 01:53.14 | sussudio | t-jack: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/ricky_clarkson_big.jpg |
| 01:53.24 | mhall | xam my box uses the new /iommu/sbus/espdma/esp/sd@0,3:b paths |
| 01:53.24 | Guerin | mechan0r: I've seen it several times now. |
| 01:53.28 | Xenguy | mechan0r: I missed that - what was the reaction (and is there actually anyone in that channel ? :P ) |
| 01:53.33 | mechan0r | thomas-adam I'm sure every single one was in jest |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | i dont know what he's talking about |
| 01:53.49 | xam | mhall: i meant boot partition with "partition = 2" |
| 01:53.56 | mechan0r | nevermind |
| 01:53.56 | mhall | xam also, i have partition=2 in there i think |
| 01:53.58 | Guerin | mechan0r: again, I suggest you stfu when talking about thinks of which you know not. |
| 01:54.05 | xam | mhall damn |
| 01:54.15 | t-jack | sussudio: USA tunafish:NL crabpaste |
| 01:54.19 | Leveller | thomas_adam, how do i do so i dont have to type: ifconfig eth0 up everytime at boot? |
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| 01:54.27 | thomas_adam | Leveller: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:54.37 | thomas_adam | Leveller: set eth0 to auto |
| 01:54.45 | Guerin | that cheesesteak sounds filthy |
| 01:54.50 | Leveller | k |
| 01:55.01 | abrotman | thomas_adam: ex-squeeze me .. baking powder? |
| 01:55.11 | thomas_adam | abrotman: What of it? |
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| 01:55.26 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Also called 'baking soda' |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | you said you were'nt worthy |
| 01:55.50 | thomas_adam | 3am, abrotman --- eh? |
| 01:55.58 | mhall | xam it makes no sense why it does not work hehe |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | no .. about 10pm |
| 01:56.10 | Inept | nailbiter: the second mplayer occasionally reaches the end of dumpfile ;( the playback seems to be faster than dumping |
| 01:56.15 | t-jack | mechan0r: Sit back, shut up, enjoy the Rock. |
| 01:56.28 | xam | mhall I give up ... too tired to think clearly ... have to go to bed |
| 01:56.34 | Guerin | you're all wrong - it's 1052 everywhere in the world |
| 01:56.42 | beb0s | hi, any of you has problems with gnome mime database ? |
| 01:56.47 | sussudio | !time |
| 01:56.47 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.com, or Wed Aug 18 01:56:48 2004 |
| 01:56.48 | nailbiter | Inept: you can avoid playing it directly; pipe 'tail -f -c +0' into mplayer instead .. |
| 01:56.48 | mechan0r | ABOUT TIME |
| 01:56.51 | Guerin | you other people are just pretending |
| 01:56.52 | mhall | xam ok thanks for trying |
| 01:56.54 | t-jack | Guerin: 9:00pm |
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| 01:57.21 | Leveller | thomas_adam: i had auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:57.23 | Leveller | shouldnt that work? |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: is that your real last name? |
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| 01:57.45 | thomas_adam | Leveller: In what order are they listed? |
| 01:57.47 | Inept | nailbiter: hehe. thanks again |
| 01:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yup. |
| 01:57.57 | Leveller | thomas_adam, the one i typed |
| 01:58.00 | thomas_adam | auto eth0 |
| 01:58.00 | thomas_adam | iface eth0 inet static |
| 01:58.00 | Leveller | on 2 lines |
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| 01:58.07 | Leveller | yep |
| 01:58.16 | Leveller | and i had to type eth0 up anyways |
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| 01:58.18 | thomas_adam | Leveller: You're using DHCP, yes? |
| 01:58.21 | Leveller | for bringing it to life |
| 01:58.22 | Leveller | Yep |
| 01:58.25 | Leveller | dhcp |
| 01:58.26 | abrotman | what is dhcp? |
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| 01:58.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:58.38 | Leveller | dead hot chilipeppers |
| 01:58.41 | phantsam | is anyone familiar with cdrecord? |
| 01:58.41 | Leveller | :P |
| 01:58.42 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Dynamic Host control protocol. |
| 01:58.46 | t-jack | Question... Is xChat the only IRC client that can dualmode a private message? |
| 01:58.51 | thomas_adam | phantsam: JUST ASK. |
| 01:58.52 | beb0s | phaethon, a bit |
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| 01:58.59 | zinx | t-jack: "dualmode"? |
| 01:59.01 | Rez | t-jack: dualmode? |
| 01:59.01 | thomas_adam | t-jack: No, irssi can too. |
| 01:59.20 | Leveller | thomas_adam, how come it doesent get up? is it wrong in the conf or cant it reach the dhcp? |
| 01:59.20 | phantsam | thomas_adam: is there a flag to specify the name of the CD? |
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| 01:59.36 | mechan0r | t-jack this is the |<()()!_ |
| 01:59.41 | thomas_adam | phantsam: man cdrecord. Although that is probably part of the ISO... |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | phantsam: man cdrecord |
| 01:59.50 | beb0s | phaethon, do you mean the volume name ? |
| 01:59.59 | phantsam | did man cdrecord |
| 02:00.02 | phantsam | didn't see it |
| 02:00.08 | nailbiter | phantsam: you mean, the title of the disc, when you're burning ISO images? that's something 'mkisofs' embeds into the ISO image when it's generated. |
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| 02:00.27 | phantsam | ok. so it would be in the man for mkisofs? |
| 02:00.37 | nailbiter | phantsam: yes. |
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| 02:00.47 | t-jack | zinx: Rez private /msg in the main channel window, separate message space with Direct Chat. |
| 02:00.50 | beb0s | phaethon, yes -V |
| 02:01.03 | phantsam | ok. thanks. |
| 02:01.03 | thomas_adam | Leveller: do you have /etc/init.d/networking syumlinks for your current runlevel? |
| 02:01.04 | zinx | t-jack: hmm, interesting |
| 02:01.15 | anarcat | thomas_adam: ok, i give up |
| 02:01.22 | thomas_adam | anarcat: On what? |
| 02:01.23 | Leveller | thomas_adam, errrrrrrrr? isnt those thing auto? |
| 02:01.36 | anarcat | thomas_adam: on trying for myself |
| 02:01.39 | anarcat | i need help :) |
| 02:01.40 | thomas_adam | Leveller: I'm really tired... |
| 02:01.47 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Why are you making this so complicated? |
| 02:01.49 | Leveller | thomas_adam its 4am here. |
| 02:01.50 | thomas_adam | anarcat: What? |
| 02:01.51 | Leveller | :] |
| 02:01.52 | anarcat | thomas_adam: i think i know pretty well how screen works |
| 02:01.58 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Oh, screen. |
| 02:02.04 | thomas_adam | anarcat: I have the answer for you... |
| 02:02.04 | Leveller | no networking isnt a symlink |
| 02:02.16 | thomas_adam | Leveller: update-rc.d networking defaults |
| 02:02.24 | anarcat | the thing is: ^V<backspace> gives me ^? in rxvt |
| 02:02.36 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Indeed. |
| 02:02.46 | Leveller | thomas_adam, already exist. |
| 02:02.47 | anarcat | but ^V<backspace> gives me ^[[3~ in screen in rxvt |
| 02:02.50 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Two things: (1) ~/.Xdefaults, (2) man screen |
| 02:02.53 | anarcat | as delete does |
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| 02:03.10 | anarcat | why is the resulting code outputted in screen different from rxvt? |
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| 02:03.28 | thomas_adam | Leveller: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file to #flood, using: /exec -o grep -v '^#' /etc/network/interfaces, in #flood |
| 02:03.38 | anarcat | the delete and backspace keys work correctly almost everwhere in X |
| 02:03.48 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Because rxvt works slightly differently. |
| 02:03.52 | anarcat | so i guess .Xdefaults is out of the picture |
| 02:03.53 | xam | anarcat: because 'screen' uses the 'screen' terminfo |
| 02:04.07 | Leveller | thomas_adam, since the network card isnt WORKING properly im not using that machine to get on irc |
| 02:04.14 | Leveller | <-- mirc |
| 02:04.17 | anarcat | oh geez |
| 02:04.19 | anarcat | it's rxvt |
| 02:04.21 | thomas_adam | Leveller: My help ends here. |
| 02:04.24 | anarcat | it works in rxvt |
| 02:04.25 | Leveller | k |
| 02:04.34 | anarcat | er |
| 02:04.40 | anarcat | it doesn't work in rxvt, but works in xterm |
| 02:04.51 | anarcat | i guess i'm really tired |
| 02:04.59 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Incidentally *NONE* of this is in the FAQ that you haven't read in /usr/share/doc/screen/FAQ.gz |
| 02:05.04 | xam | !tired |
| 02:05.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, tired is a state of conciesness between soda and coffee |
| 02:05.07 | thomas_adam | anarcat: It'd empty, really. |
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| 02:05.24 | xam | !jolt |
| 02:05.25 | dpkg | it has been said that jolt is the most caffeine in a holdable bottle., or http://www.wetplanet.com/, or something that Servowire drinks alot :) |
| 02:05.33 | kro | anyone here use gnopernicus? |
| 02:05.41 | mechan0r | t-jack that does it I am getting a change-my-ip thingie and flooding the station with this album |
| 02:05.49 | kro | I'm trying to get the magnifier to start |
| 02:05.57 | kro | And I think I'm being dense. |
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| 02:06.18 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Then it should Just Work |
| 02:06.30 | anarcat | i admit i didn't read the faq before checking here |
| 02:06.34 | t-jack | mechan0r: RJ just keeps getting better with age. ;) |
| 02:06.42 | anarcat | apologies |
| 02:06.42 | thomas_adam | anarcat: I had not guessed. |
| 02:06.45 | anarcat | however, i just read it |
| 02:06.56 | Leveller | thomas_adam, i still have to ifconfig eth0 up :/ |
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| 02:07.09 | thomas_adam | Leveller: Fuck knows. |
| 02:07.13 | mechan0r | t-jack that's cuz he can play a slow song without his drummer giggling on the hi hats |
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| 02:07.29 | Leveller | thomas_adam, thanks for all the help anyways |
| 02:07.35 | thomas_adam | Leveller: No worries. |
| 02:08.03 | anarcat | thomas_adam: i didn't find anything in the faq |
| 02:08.07 | anarcat | welll |
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| 02:08.11 | anarcat | at least it works in xterm |
| 02:08.15 | t-jack | mechan0r: Well grab a Fist Full Of Metal. |
| 02:08.28 | thomas_adam | anarcat: Why should you? You don't read. |
| 02:08.35 | mechan0r | all right this is music to my knees |
| 02:08.58 | t-jack | mechan0r: Back when Anthrax knew who they were. |
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| 02:09.13 | mechan0r | wtf happened to anthrax |
| 02:09.48 | t-jack | mechan0r: They went rap, looking down the barrel of a gun. |
| 02:10.02 | mechan0r | if I had one they would be |
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| 02:10.09 | t-jack | LOL |
| 02:10.11 | anarcat | thomas_adam: what do you want me to do? i read the manpages you said, the faq, i feel i can read english well enough to understand that the answer isn't there... |
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| 02:10.33 | thomas_adam | It never is for weenies, is it? |
| 02:10.47 | Guerin | they didn't really go rap, did they? |
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| 02:10.49 | mechan0r | I have nothing against rap it's just that whitey cannot rap it's a law of the universe |
| 02:10.56 | Guerin | I mean, there was that one track with PE |
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| 02:11.06 | Guerin | mechan0r: tell that to the Beastie Boys |
| 02:11.06 | anarcat | anyhow |
| 02:11.07 | dondelelcaro | mechan0r: I guess you must have slept through eminem. |
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| 02:11.41 | Guerin | mechan0r: next you'll be saying that blacky can't rock - it's the other law of the universe... |
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| 02:11.47 | mechan0r | Beastie Boys and M did well so did Rage |
| 02:12.05 | thomas_adam | The Beastie Boys were dynamic., |
| 02:12.05 | t-jack | Guerin: Anthrax did at least one Rock-N-Rap, I've told the title already. |
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| 02:12.25 | Guerin | thomas_adam: past tense :( |
| 02:12.25 | mechan0r | Blacky can rock but that's because Blacky invented the roots of rocl |
| 02:12.33 | beb0s | any of you knows what appened to gnome vfs ? |
| 02:12.36 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Are. |
| 02:12.50 | t-jack | mechan0r: Blacky Lawless? |
| 02:12.56 | jarango_ | I'm trying to write kernel function that returns 1 if an sk_buff contains a locally generated IPv6 packet. Can anyone help ? |
| 02:12.59 | Guerin | thomas_adam: no, the past tense was right... the BBoys have sucked since shortly after 1994 |
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| 02:13.16 | mechan0r | no I mean Blacky vs whitey |
| 02:13.42 | mechan0r | Rock grew out of blooze |
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| 02:13.52 | t-jack | mechan0r: Misogynist AND racist. Ain't you a pretty one? |
| 02:14.01 | dondelelcaro | invented the mixolydian mode? I think not. |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | mechan0r: you heard any asian hip hop? Or european? There's more out there than the brooklyn and LA sounds... |
| 02:14.12 | lincr | HEY IS THIS A LINUX CHANNEL? |
| 02:14.18 | ubb | no |
| 02:14.18 | Guerin | lincr: YES IT IS |
| 02:14.18 | thomas_adam | lincr: NO. |
| 02:14.29 | lincr | heh heh |
| 02:14.30 | ubb | wait, what's linux |
| 02:14.31 | Guerin | lincr: now who you gonna believe? |
| 02:14.32 | mechan0r | I've heard them |
| 02:14.34 | anarcat | so about that screen problem... |
| 02:14.40 | dmr | haven't you ever heard of the hip-hop group debian? |
| 02:14.51 | dmr | they kick ass |
| 02:14.55 | NeoSadist | oh, linux, you mean that hacker OS that is evil? :D |
| 02:15.00 | t-jack | Guerin: I've heard Chinese salsa... |
| 02:15.00 | troubled | lincr: my great grandfather was called Debian Linux |
| 02:15.09 | Guerin | t-jack: hehe, that's funky. |
| 02:15.20 | mechan0r | Art of Noise the Fall |
| 02:15.23 | ubb | you mean, there's another OS aside from windows? |
| 02:15.30 | ubb | news to me |
| 02:15.32 | NeoSadist | OMG!! HAX!! :D |
| 02:15.38 | lincr | hacker os that bids I obey |
| 02:15.46 | troubled | ubb: no, linux is a sub project of the Windows group |
| 02:15.46 | hax | NeoSadist: omg what? |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | thomas_adam: they serve that in UK? |
| 02:15.51 | Guerin | ubb: well it's not really an OS. You can't play gam3z on it, and there's no warez for it!!1 |
| 02:16.05 | lincr | yes, debian is a cult faction |
| 02:16.05 | NeoSadist | so like, linux? does that work for win95? :D |
| 02:16.09 | NeoSadist | hax!!! |
| 02:16.12 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Heh. Special price, is only 99p |
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| 02:16.24 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Man in corner shop, he sell, I drink. |
| 02:16.25 | troubled | Guerin: nonsense, I just finished creating a custom keygen for the linux kernel in QT ;) |
| 02:16.26 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: if they don't, you should file a bug. |
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| 02:16.36 | abrotman | pennies? |
| 02:16.37 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Yes. |
| 02:16.39 | lincr | hate yourself for not understanding the man page! |
| 02:16.39 | Guerin | troubled: l33t hax! |
| 02:16.54 | hax | Geert: i r teh l33t |
| 02:16.54 | hax | heh |
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| 02:17.08 | troubled | Guerin: want a pir8 2.7 kernel? its the coolest shit on the street right now |
| 02:17.22 | mechan0r | As for mysoginistic and racist face it whitey stole rock from blacky and have I said anything against the grrlz rockin? |
| 02:17.22 | lincr | i'm hating myself for trying to get wireless working |
| 02:17.31 | t-jack | Guerin: Took me a while and google, but I recall now... William Hung was certainly funky. |
| 02:17.34 | Guerin | troubled: nah, my mum says no more of those illegal games, she doesn't want the cops to bust me |
| 02:17.51 | NeoSadist | dangit, someone's already using the nickname "teh" lol |
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| 02:18.04 | Supaplex | NeoSadist: must be teh suck eh? |
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| 02:18.09 | Guerin | NeoSadist: t3h |
| 02:18.09 | NeoSadist | lol |
| 02:18.15 | t3h | :D |
| 02:18.18 | troubled | Guerin: ahh, thats too bad, you would have like the joystick interface I made for kernel menuconfig ;) |
| 02:18.26 | troubled | Guerin: forcefeedback too man |
| 02:18.28 | ubb | no no no, it's not illegal as long as you delete it within 24 hours :X |
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| 02:18.35 | Guerin | troubled: ol omg u r teh 1337 |
| 02:18.40 | troubled | ;) |
| 02:18.45 | t-jack | Does anyone even use Yahoo!, Lycos, DogPile, Metacrawler,... anymore? |
| 02:18.53 | anarcat | okay |
| 02:18.55 | ubb | I've heard of google |
| 02:18.57 | t3h | olympic female swimmer? where?! |
| 02:19.01 | t-jack | Google Ownz Inet |
| 02:19.10 | Guerin | t3h: there are several in Athens at the moment |
| 02:19.12 | lincr | NBC has olympics |
| 02:19.37 | anarcat | for the other retards like me who can't read, the problem is when you change your rxvt.termName xresource to "xterm-color" that screen freaks out |
| 02:19.40 | lincr | swimmer slash model |
| 02:19.56 | t-jack | t3h l33t h4xx0r |
| 02:19.58 | anarcat | which is obvious, when you think about it for half an hour |
| 02:20.09 | anarcat | i feel so enlightened |
| 02:20.09 | Guerin | olympians do represent the peak of human physical achievement - they're the ideal towards which we mortals don't bother aspiring :) |
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| 02:20.12 | mechan0r | troubled she can break it careful |
| 02:20.18 | troubled | mechan0r: oi |
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| 02:20.19 | mechan0r | even in your dreams |
| 02:20.20 | Tezkah | argh |
| 02:20.24 | sussudio | Guerin: they also run faster than sheep. |
| 02:20.25 | rbr7vld | hi |
| 02:20.32 | rbr7vld | i need help |
| 02:20.33 | jeebes | is there any way to switch from unstable to testing or stable with downgrading a bunch of stuff and likely borking a bunch of stuff |
| 02:20.34 | Guerin | sussudio: that's a bonus |
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| 02:20.43 | Guerin | jeebes: not really. |
| 02:20.44 | jeebes | without downgrading stuff I mean |
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| 02:20.52 | rbr7vld | i want to change to debian will it have my modem drivers like suse |
| 02:20.53 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:20.58 | jeebes | so once you have unstable you're stuck that way? |
| 02:21.05 | dondelelcaro | jeebes: basically, yes. |
| 02:21.05 | mechan0r | jeebes without downgrading would be a contradiction |
| 02:21.10 | anarcat | thanks for the cold support |
| 02:21.11 | t3h | http://martinamoravcova.com/Professional/2004tyr.html |
| 02:21.12 | t3h | :D |
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| 02:21.14 | Guerin | jeebes: I mean, how would it work? I want to trad emy 2004 car in for a 2002 model, but I don't want to change anything... |
| 02:21.16 | t-jack | Bah. Unofficial apt-get update has broken synaptic. It cannot seem to refresh the DB... |
| 02:21.19 | lincr | rbr7vid: maybe |
| 02:21.39 | rbr7vld | they are |
| 02:21.43 | rbr7vld | smart link 56k |
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| 02:21.48 | rbr7vld | and suse had the drivers |
| 02:22.01 | jeebes | yeah I see what you're saying, thats what I figured |
| 02:22.07 | t3h | i'm married, and would never do anything wrong, and i'm not into pr0n. however, athletic women are SO DANG HOTT!!! |
| 02:22.14 | jeebes | I'm just sick of the contant updates and not knowing which version is a good one to stay with |
| 02:22.26 | Guerin | t3h: please joing #olympicmania |
| 02:22.42 | Supaplex | it's for people like you! |
| 02:22.45 | Guerin | jeebes: you can always reinstall |
| 02:22.52 | t3h | Guerin: it's ok bro, i get the point |
| 02:22.52 | lincr | sorry, I started the olympic things |
| 02:22.59 | rbr7vld | should i get linux debian |
| 02:23.00 | jeebes | boo |
| 02:23.00 | Guerin | bro |
| 02:23.00 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:23.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:23.21 | rbr7vld | shoud i get linux debian |
| 02:23.22 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:23.31 | Guerin | when I got on the plane to go back to NZ, the cabin attendant said "welcome aboard, bro" |
| 02:23.32 | zinx | rbr7vld: do you need it? |
| 02:23.39 | lucas | rbr7vld: no, you should get debian gnu/linux |
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| 02:23.41 | rbr7vld | i am using |
| 02:23.42 | rbr7vld | suse |
| 02:23.47 | lincr | rbr7vid: debian is great, you can do things that are impossible elsewhere |
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| 02:23.56 | zinx | rbr7vld: debian cures AIDS |
| 02:24.02 | rbr7vld | jojoj |
| 02:24.07 | rbr7vld | i dont have aids |
| 02:24.12 | lucas | lucky you |
| 02:24.13 | lincr | rbr7vid: but not the easiest to use |
| 02:24.17 | Guerin | rbr7vld: quick, get debian before you do! |
| 02:24.19 | zinx | rbr7vld: it turns lead in to gold too |
| 02:24.19 | ubb | what was the name of the fencing chick that got herself on playboy cover this month? |
| 02:24.29 | jeebes | how far behind is testing from unstable? Would lots of junk break if I did downgrade? |
| 02:24.36 | Guerin | ubb: join #fucktards please |
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| 02:24.42 | mechan0r | ubb you are on the net correct |
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| 02:24.51 | lincr | that fencing chick is in pb? |
| 02:24.53 | zinx | jeebes: generally about 2-3 weeks, i think |
| 02:24.59 | Guerin | jeebes: at the moment, testing is in freeze, so pretty far. |
| 02:25.01 | rbr7vld | mmm |
| 02:25.02 | lincr | doy oy oy oy nngg |
| 02:25.04 | zinx | jeebs: it may be pretty different now though |
| 02:25.32 | rbr7vld | damn it |
| 02:25.36 | jeebes | what if I waited to do any updates untill testing overtook the unstable that I'm at now, could I then switch without downgrades |
| 02:25.39 | rbr7vld | is gnu/debian good |
| 02:25.39 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:25.49 | zkyb | they want that he say 'yo' about me? |
| 02:25.50 | Guerin | rbr7vld: of course it's fucking good. |
| 02:25.55 | lincr | rbr7vid rode the short bus |
| 02:25.57 | marcst | rbr7vld: why do you want to switch? |
| 02:26.04 | rbr7vld | because |
| 02:26.07 | rbr7vld | suse has lots |
| 02:26.18 | ubb | of? |
| 02:26.20 | rbr7vld | i mean suse takes |
| 02:26.22 | rbr7vld | lots of memory |
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| 02:26.35 | zkyb | cross and nails are nngg? |
| 02:26.46 | rbr7vld | top - 22:26:29 up 1 day, 28 min, 1 user, load average: 0.45, 0.47, 0.39 |
| 02:26.47 | rbr7vld | Tasks: 70 total, 1 running, 69 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 02:26.47 | rbr7vld | Cpu(s): 12.6% us, 1.5% sy, 10.5% ni, 74.7% id, 0.3% wa, 0.4% hi, 0.0% si |
| 02:26.47 | rbr7vld | Mem: 255420k total, 251012k used, 4408k free, 34280k buffers |
| 02:26.47 | rbr7vld | Swap: 510008k total, 792k used, 509216k free, 102832k cached |
| 02:26.47 | Guerin | jeebes: it's dicey, but it is possible. I'm going to do that in about a month - my mum's sid hasn't been updated since ~ january, and I'll be downgrading it to sarge... |
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| 02:26.53 | mechan0r | jeebes any unstable updates you do now should be testing then I think |
| 02:27.02 | sussudio | helix: :-| |
| 02:27.04 | Guerin | rbr7vld: you fucktard |
| 02:27.04 | jeebes | hmm |
| 02:27.06 | rbr7vld | Mem: 255420k total, 251012k used, 4408k free, 34280k buffers |
| 02:27.06 | rbr7vld | <rbr7vld> Swap: 510008k total, 792k used, 509216k free, 102832k cached |
| 02:27.10 | jeebes | that sounds good |
| 02:27.12 | t-jack | synaptic is depricated? And to think Advanced Packaging Tools was supposed to be hte foocher... |
| 02:27.14 | lincr | rbr7vid your load is low |
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| 02:27.20 | rbr7vld | what you mean |
| 02:27.23 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:27.25 | jeebes | so I can just wait a few weeks, change to testing, and hope for the best? |
| 02:27.28 | Guerin | !tell rbr7vld about free ram |
| 02:27.36 | mechan0r | synaptic got deprecated when? |
| 02:27.36 | Guerin | jeebes: probably more than a few weeks |
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| 02:27.41 | mechan0r | by what? |
| 02:27.45 | t-jack | helix is awake? |
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| 02:27.53 | jeebes | wouldn't some packages progress into testing slower than others? |
| 02:27.58 | rbr7vld | how do i do that |
| 02:27.59 | Guerin | jeebes: yes. |
| 02:28.04 | lincr | rbr7vid what hardware are you running |
| 02:28.12 | rbr7vld | mmm |
| 02:28.21 | jeebes | I just don't want to break a perfectly functioning system, but the updates are out of control |
| 02:28.23 | nbreen | jeebes: And, in no small number of situations, not progress at all. |
| 02:28.27 | t-jack | mechan0r: Just some shit somebody trys to sell me on hashlinux. |
| 02:28.32 | rbr7vld | Mem: 255420k total, 249068k used, 6352k free, 33100k buffers |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | !britsmite thomas_adam |
| 02:28.32 | rbr7vld | Swap: 510008k total, 792k used, 509216k free, 101652k cached |
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| 02:28.41 | Guerin | rbr7vld: fucking STOP pasting |
| 02:28.42 | thomas_adam | heh. |
| 02:28.43 | ubb | you don't have to paste it 3 times |
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| 02:28.45 | rbr7vld | its slowing down |
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| 02:29.15 | abrotman | rbr7vld: oh my god .. turn your computer off |
| 02:29.24 | rbr7vld | i mean |
| 02:29.34 | rbr7vld | its like slowing down |
| 02:29.42 | lincr | rbr7vid my load hovers around 1.40 running mozilla/chatzilla |
| 02:29.44 | rbr7vld | like it wastes more memory then windows |
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| 02:30.00 | abrotman | what does? |
| 02:30.01 | rbr7vld | top - 22:29:42 up 1 day, 31 min, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.32, 0.35 |
| 02:30.01 | rbr7vld | Tasks: 70 total, 1 running, 69 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 02:30.07 | sussudio | fucker |
| 02:30.11 | Guerin | rbr7vld: for fuck's sake |
| 02:30.13 | mrwill | why do I hang out in this channel anyway? |
| 02:30.18 | rbr7vld | dont know |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | mrwill: the hot girls? |
| 02:30.26 | Guerin | !topicsmite rbr7vld |
| 02:30.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rbr7vld. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | mrwill: the noteriety? |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | mrwill: and the horrible spelling |
| 02:30.44 | rbr7vld | omfg |
| 02:30.46 | Guerin | rbr7vld: especially the bit about #flood |
| 02:30.58 | ddd^ | hi guys.. |
| 02:31.00 | ddd^ | my hd is going bad...:( |
| 02:31.09 | mrwill | ddd^: why do you think that? |
| 02:31.10 | lincr | rbr7vid try debian, run it stripped down and see how much better the performance is... |
| 02:31.11 | ddd^ | can reiserfs format fs with dealocated the badblock like ext2/3 do? |
| 02:31.28 | nailbiter | ddd^: yes. |
| 02:31.30 | rbr7vld | i got reiserfs |
| 02:31.36 | ddd^ | oh yeah |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | ddd^: don't even think about using a fault-intolerant fs like reiser on dicey hardwarew |
| 02:31.46 | mrwill | abrotman: I think it is the horribly spelled hot gurls. |
| 02:31.50 | mechan0r | t-jack this is definitely cool |
| 02:32.04 | rbr7vld | i got reiserfs |
| 02:32.06 | ddd^ | so how can do that |
| 02:32.07 | rbr7vld | is it good |
| 02:32.08 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:32.11 | jeebes | I had reiserfs till I accidentally deleted the partition table and found no recovery tools for it that worked |
| 02:32.13 | jeebes | :-/ |
| 02:32.16 | jeebes | my fault I guess |
| 02:32.17 | mrwill | rbr7vld: dunno, why don't you paste something about it in here. |
| 02:32.20 | nailbiter | ddd^: see the -B option in the mkreiserfs(8) manpage. |
| 02:32.23 | Guerin | rbr7vld: if you have to ask, usse ext3 |
| 02:32.31 | jeebes | my other resiserfs partitions work fine |
| 02:32.32 | ddd^ | ok let me see |
| 02:32.32 | rbr7vld | i cant |
| 02:32.35 | lincr | mrwill: heh |
| 02:32.43 | jeebes | boo to the lack of recovery tools |
| 02:32.43 | rbr7vld | suse assigns raiserfs |
| 02:32.45 | nailbiter | ddd^: i would recommend, however, that you don't try to recycle dying disks. |
| 02:33.06 | mrwill | ddd^: seriously, get what data you can off it before it fails outright. |
| 02:33.14 | lincr | hans reiser ain't scared |
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| 02:33.33 | alele7 | how can i fix this error? i´m loggin with a NIS user kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '//.ICEauthority'. |
| 02:33.35 | tritium | you lose fault tolerance on reiserfs if you turn off journaling |
| 02:33.50 | rbr7vld | what you mean' |
| 02:33.51 | lincr | one day he'll get a contract to write buncha recovery tools, and we'll be set |
| 02:33.53 | mechan0r | dyslexia cures debian |
| 02:33.55 | Guerin | hans reiser is 'ard enough to know every trick there is to recovering data - of course he ain't scared. |
| 02:33.58 | rbr7vld | reiserfs |
| 02:33.58 | Q3Man | I like recycling dying disks. The magnets in them are great for the referigerator... if you ever need to stick a small mammel to your referigerator or something... |
| 02:34.00 | rbr7vld | is slow |
| 02:34.01 | rbr7vld | ? |
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| 02:34.08 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Hans Reiser is an arrogant fucktard. |
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| 02:34.26 | Guerin | thomas_adam: regardless, he does know a bit about filesystems, storage and data recovery. |
| 02:34.29 | alele7 | does anybody knows NIS? |
| 02:34.35 | lincr | my hans reiser could kick your hans reiser's ass |
| 02:34.40 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Yup. |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | !beer thomas_adam |
| 02:34.43 | mrwill | rbr7vld: put a few more question marks by themselves for emphasis. |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | damn right |
| 02:34.48 | jeebes | well, I guess its good to know hans can get his data back |
| 02:34.48 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I'm teetotal. |
| 02:34.49 | rbr7vld | ok |
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| 02:34.56 | jeebes | too bad nobody else can |
| 02:34.59 | Guerin | thomas_adam: it's ok, bud lite isn't beer |
| 02:35.01 | rbr7vld | but is reiserfs slow ????????? |
| 02:35.03 | rbr7vld | is it good |
| 02:35.06 | jeebes | its good |
| 02:35.07 | sussudio | rbr7vld: FUCK OFF |
| 02:35.10 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 02:35.10 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. reasonably fast, probably reliable, medium size: jfs, or if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 02:35.11 | lincr | jeebes: ah feel yer pain |
| 02:35.13 | ddd^ | no man i mean i've check some parttition with badblaock and found some bad |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 02:35.20 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 02:35.32 | rbr7vld | which one should |
| 02:35.33 | zkyb | ok. TY. |
| 02:35.35 | ddd^ | i could dealocated it using -l on |
| 02:35.38 | rbr7vld | it put on this machine |
| 02:35.38 | rbr7vld | ? |
| 02:35.44 | thomas_adam | I wouldn't believe what you read in LG.net ;) |
| 02:35.44 | ddd^ | but on reiserfs ?? |
| 02:35.44 | mechan0r | EXT3 |
| 02:35.47 | mrwill | rbr7vld: . |
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| 02:35.49 | abrotman | !tell rbr7vld about ep |
| 02:35.53 | Guerin | rbr7vld: fucking STOP flooding, imbecile. |
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| 02:35.56 | t-jack | mechan0r: I think the night belongs to Real Rockers(TM). |
| 02:35.58 | rbr7vld | hdp |
| 02:36.00 | rbr7vld | chupala |
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| 02:36.19 | alele7 | how can i fix this error? i´m loggin with a NIS user kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '//.ICEauthority'. |
| 02:36.25 | lincr | for production i use ext2 just in case |
| 02:36.27 | sussudio | !tell alele7 about repeating |
| 02:36.33 | mechan0r | t0jack these guys would have played violin 300 years BADASS violin |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 02:36.43 | rbr7vld | which one is the fucking fastest one god damn it |
| 02:36.56 | mrwill | rbr7vld: it's almost time for a beat down. |
| 02:37.00 | lincr | rbr7vid got out a complete sentence |
| 02:37.04 | nailbiter | ddd^: you must use badblocks(8) to generate a bad block list for the partition, _then_ feed it into mkreiserfs to have it skirt around the bad bits. |
| 02:37.17 | Guerin | rbr7vld: do your own fucking research, we are not your all-seeing, all-knowing oracle. That honour goes to google.com... |
| 02:37.24 | rbr7vld | ok thats cool ejejejejej just tell me which file system is best |
| 02:37.27 | lincr | nailbiter has read about file systems |
| 02:37.33 | jeebes | It depends on what you are using it for, different FSs have different stengths weaknesses |
| 02:37.38 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. what option to use that bad list? |
| 02:37.44 | Guerin | ext3 is the best |
| 02:37.47 | Guerin | there you go |
| 02:37.49 | rbr7vld | it is cool |
| 02:37.52 | rbr7vld | thanks |
| 02:37.52 | Guerin | now fuck off and die someplace |
| 02:37.55 | nbreen | ~start a fs war |
| 02:37.56 | apt | ReiserFS is better than MinixFS!! |
| 02:37.56 | rbr7vld | fuck you |
| 02:38.00 | rbr7vld | puto |
| 02:38.03 | nbreen | Words of wisdom. |
| 02:38.05 | nailbiter | ddd^: as said before, -B. and, as said before, see the mkreiser(8) manpage. |
| 02:38.05 | lincr | mrwill has killed rbr7vid for 3 hit points |
| 02:38.07 | rbr7vld | i format it to |
| 02:38.08 | tritium | rbr7vld, you're not too familiar with trade-offs, are you? |
| 02:38.14 | rbr7vld | fat189 |
| 02:38.20 | t-jack | !botlist |
| 02:38.37 | rbr7vld | i be back |
| 02:38.40 | rbr7vld | latter |
| 02:38.45 | mechan0r | don't |
| 02:38.48 | t-jack | !where is your war opponant? |
| 02:38.48 | fooz | heh |
| 02:38.49 | jeebes | ext3, dont' die please |
| 02:38.49 | rbr7vld | i am going to format |
| 02:38.50 | rbr7vld | your ass |
| 02:38.53 | dpkg | t-jack: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:38.53 | sussudio | we don't like you don't come back |
| 02:38.55 | fooz | rbr7vld, pito poquiti |
| 02:39.09 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. on man page mkreiserfs i didn't see that option... |
| 02:39.10 | rbr7vld | fuck yall or |
| 02:39.14 | rbr7vld | i format yall asses |
| 02:39.18 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:39.21 | rbr7vld | ananah |
| 02:39.23 | rbr7vld | ajajajaja |
| 02:39.25 | fooz | please do, my sectors need realignment |
| 02:39.25 | lincr | this is entertaining, but i don't think i'm getting any so i'm going to smoke |
| 02:39.29 | jayme | !moron rbr7vld |
| 02:39.30 | dpkg | rbr7vld: You are moron #39 |
| 02:39.38 | t-jack | !phatedsmite rbr7vld |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | cant we just kick him? |
| 02:39.58 | Guerin | mrwill: the perfect filesystem for tardix |
| 02:40.06 | nailbiter | ddd^: which version of the 'reiserfsprogs' package do you have installed? |
| 02:40.07 | rbr7vld | rbr7vld formats to assFS |
| 02:40.09 | Guerin | !kick rbr7vld |
| 02:40.11 | mrwill | Guerin: exactly. |
| 02:40.11 | sussudio | !ops |
| 02:40.11 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | !tardsay |
| 02:40.21 | t-jack | abrotman: You kick him. I'm just a peon. |
| 02:40.26 | mrwill | come on, kicking will only encourage him. |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | t-jack: i would i fi i could |
| 02:40.29 | nailbiter | ddd^: i believe bad-blocks support was only introduced in reiserfs 3.6 and later .. |
| 02:40.38 | rbr7vld | fuck yall |
| 02:40.41 | rbr7vld | ass holes |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | wee |
| 02:40.44 | thomas_adam | rbr7vld: Bye. |
| 02:40.50 | mrwill | I'm in favor of making fun of him until he goes away. |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | too late |
| 02:40.58 | fooz | haha |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | mrwill: you win! |
| 02:41.01 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. 3.x.1b i'm using woody anyway.. |
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| 02:41.29 | nailbiter | ddd^: ok. which version of the kernel? |
| 02:41.39 | Guerin | ddd^: um, I dunno what the annoying characters you have around reply nicks are, but can you turn them off? A colon is enough... |
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| 02:41.55 | mrwill | Guerin: uh, yeah, looks like he 'left' |
| 02:42.08 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. 2.4.18 from woody's too |
| 02:43.00 | tcsetattr | UTF-8 (any Unicode scheme) is impractical on the One True User Interface (text console) because VGA fonts don't have a million slots. |
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| 02:43.25 | sussudio | there's a rahul.net? |
| 02:43.27 | tcsetattr | you can have half-assed Unicode, or full-assed Latin-1 |
| 02:43.42 | t-jack | mechan0r: Banshee! Maiden! ROCK! |
| 02:43.43 | Guerin | tcsetattr: slots? |
| 02:44.04 | nailbiter | ddd^: hm. i'm not even sure if the reiserfs driver in that kernel supports the new 3.6 on-disk format or not .. lemme check .. |
| 02:44.11 | conover | sussudio: yes, there is a rahul.net |
| 02:44.18 | mechan0r | t-jack ever heard the Iron /maidens' |
| 02:44.19 | alele7 | E2g9m2u8 |
| 02:44.31 | sussudio | ~seen rahul |
| 02:44.32 | apt | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-174.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 106d 21h 12m 56s ago, saying: 'oh, and kiddies.'. |
| 02:44.35 | mechan0r | the cover band |
| 02:44.38 | tcsetattr | Guerin, try rnuning showfont (showcfont) sometime. Count the characters. That's all you get. |
| 02:44.41 | Guerin | alele7: heh, now that I know your r00t pass, I can haxx0r j00 |
| 02:44.59 | t-jack | mechan0r: Only Valda from Arak comic books. |
| 02:45.27 | MetalGODin | ~seen jackass |
| 02:45.28 | apt | jackass <~chicken@inet-lab-d17.aist-nara.ac.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 539d 17h 36m 24s ago, saying: 'may i know what's the difference between pxa, hh, np and embedix ? I search hh website, wiki, google but there's no good information available.'. |
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| 02:45.35 | nailbiter | ddd^: looks like it does. :) could you build a simple backport of the 'reiserfsprogs' package then, if you're still intent on creating a reiserfs on that dying disk? |
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| 02:45.58 | Guerin | tcsetattr: hrm, I get GIO_FONTX: Bad file descriptor |
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| 02:46.16 | tcsetattr | well, that's your problem. |
| 02:46.29 | t-jack | mechan0r: AND HELIX! What a way to end a night! |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | tcsetattr: indeed. |
| 02:46.39 | conover | Anyone know how to make a CDROM file of a sine wave? |
| 02:46.44 | Supaplex | take that file descriptor and give it a good spanking! |
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| 02:47.11 | nailbiter | conover: generate a .wav file of the wave with a tool like 'sox' first, then burn that to disc. |
| 02:47.13 | alele7 | Guerin not yet eheh |
| 02:47.17 | locsmif | conover, save it in stereo 44100 hz 16 bit wab and strip the header |
| 02:47.22 | locsmif | wab=wav ;) |
| 02:47.31 | zkyb | who insert y in me and for what? |
| 02:47.38 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:47.40 | Supaplex | cdrecord knows how to handle wav files |
| 02:47.42 | nailbiter | conover: i believe cdrecord should be able to burn red book audio tracks given a bunch of .wav files .. |
| 02:47.57 | conover | nailbiter: how do you use sox to make a sine wave file? |
| 02:48.32 | nailbiter | conover: use the 'synth' filter in sox. that, and all sorts of other funky effects, are all in the manpage. :) |
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| 02:48.43 | zkyb | a, opjat' dopros nachalsja |
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| 02:49.08 | mrwill | and everybody frantically tries to guess what language to have dpkg tell him about. |
| 02:49.15 | jcurry | can someone remin me how to unpin a package using dpkg --set-selections? |
| 02:49.17 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. so, what kernel version u use... |
| 02:49.20 | locsmif | I think russian |
| 02:49.22 | mechan0r | lisp |
| 02:49.23 | conover | nailbiter: I just downloaded and compiled sox, and it doesn't recognize synth |
| 02:49.28 | mechan0r | !lisp |
| 02:49.28 | dpkg | well, lisp is Let's Include Some Parentheses or a LISt Processor or want to learn lisp? Go to http://www.elwoodcorp.com/alu/table/learn.htm or lithp or at http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/lisp.html, or loads of innovative semantic paradigms Let's Instinctively Slotski Parallel.. Lisp Is Super Powerful, or a speach impediment. Lisp beats the competition, read: http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/avg.html. Lots of Insidious, Silly Parentheses |
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| 02:49.59 | nailbiter | conover: have you read the manpage? |
| 02:50.10 | Guerin | speach impediment. pure class. |
| 02:50.13 | jcurry | can someone remin me how to unpin a package using dpkg --set-selections? |
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| 02:50.23 | jcurry | remind* |
| 02:50.31 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. and the badresult from badblock compatible with that reiserfsprog right? |
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| 02:50.52 | mechan0r | Bruce rules |
| 02:50.59 | nailbiter | ddd^: yes. well, at least the manpage says so. |
| 02:51.06 | t-jack | mechan0r: ((((do you ((really)) wanna learn (lisp)))? |
| 02:51.17 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. so, what kernel version u use... ?? |
| 02:51.25 | conover | nailbiter: yea, its not in the man page to the current version |
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| 02:51.48 | t-jack | R |
| 02:51.50 | t-jack | O |
| 02:51.50 | nailbiter | conover: you're on a woody system? |
| 02:51.53 | t-jack | C |
| 02:51.55 | t-jack | K |
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| 02:51.59 | fooz | t-jack, that's scheme, not lisp |
| 02:52.11 | mechan0r | (a(b(s(o(l)u)t)e)l)y) |
| 02:52.20 | ddd^ | .:·{nailbiter}·:. ok thank anyway i'll looking some docs first.. |
| 02:52.25 | conover | nailbiter: yea, but I got the most recent sources to sox, and re-comiled it |
| 02:52.37 | MochiX | I've registered a domain (.com) but I don't have hosting yet... can I point the domain to my PC? (I'm running apache over Debian) is that possible? |
| 02:52.52 | t-jack | fooz: I've never investigated scheme... |
| 02:52.55 | mrwill | MochiX: um, you need dns servers. |
| 02:52.56 | mechan0r | MocjiX if you got the ip |
| 02:53.04 | mechan0r | scheme is lispy |
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| 02:53.18 | jcurry | MochiX, servage.net has awesome, cheap hosting |
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| 02:53.39 | mechan0r | then there's smalltalk and squeak |
| 02:53.44 | jcurry | MochiX, normally 7 something, but get a 2-dollar discount with the coupon dk3m |
| 02:53.54 | Terrapin | anyone know a program like 1-click-dvd for dvd copy purposes that runs under debian ? |
| 02:53.56 | nailbiter | conover: the version i've got (from 'sid') seems to be 12.17.4 .. |
| 02:53.57 | jcurry | MochiX, if it still works |
| 02:54.17 | conover | nailbiter: thx, I'll keep looking |
| 02:54.18 | hooya | hi folks. is there some docs on how to create a net-inst ISO but with a custom kernel? |
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| 02:54.50 | Guerin | MochiX: get a dynamic dns account from dyndns or somesuch |
| 02:54.53 | mechan0r | is there any really good host that doesn't mind you making moolag |
| 02:54.59 | debian | Terrapin: check k3b |
| 02:55.09 | Guerin | !custome installer |
| 02:55.09 | mechan0r | er moolah |
| 02:55.12 | Guerin | !custom installer |
| 02:55.19 | Guerin | wt |
| 02:55.21 | Guerin | f |
| 02:55.21 | mrwill | mechan0r: what do you mean? making money how? |
| 02:55.29 | Guerin | mechan0r: you mean a free host? |
| 02:55.46 | mechan0r | like selling access to some services |
| 02:55.48 | MochiX | mrwill: can I mount a dsn server on my machine? |
| 02:56.03 | MochiX | Guerin: getting a dns account can I point the domain to my PC? |
| 02:56.07 | Guerin | mechan0r: there are shitloads of hosts which alllow that. |
| 02:56.11 | Guerin | MochiX: yeah, sure. |
| 02:56.16 | mrwill | MochiX: sure, but you are often required to have two ip address to set up your domain. |
| 02:56.41 | nailbiter | conover: try "sox -t .nul - -t .wav - synth sine" for starters. |
| 02:56.41 | MochiX | I've got only one |
| 02:56.43 | mechan0r | Guerin I need something that starts out free but eventually ramps up |
| 02:56.45 | MochiX | my inet address |
| 02:57.02 | mrwill | MochiX: right, to run an authoritative dns server, you usually need two. |
| 02:57.06 | peterS | MochiX: well, find a friend with a static IP and wanting to do the same thing - then host each other's secondary DNS servers |
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| 02:57.44 | peterS | MochiX: works out really well. you can do this with more than 2 people / domains, too - nothing wrong with having 3 name servers, or even 4 |
| 02:58.11 | MochiX | I always need more than just one ip |
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| 02:58.25 | mrwill | MochiX: fraid so. |
| 02:58.43 | mechan0r | t-jack I just realized the rock is over |
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| 02:58.55 | mechan0r | what a creepy feeling |
| 02:58.59 | peterS | MochiX: there are services out there that will, for a small fee, be a secondary DNS for you |
| 02:59.13 | peterS | MochiX: but like I said, it's cheaper just to exchange this service with someone else who needs the same thing |
| 03:00.51 | debian | MochiX: you can setup a dns server without a secondary |
| 03:01.05 | MochiX | *_* |
| 03:01.18 | MochiX | any manual or something? |
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| 03:01.34 | Supaplex | yea, but it's not always the best idea :p |
| 03:01.49 | somiaj | peterS: there are some I've seen that say they will be a dns for free...one example I've seen, freedns.afraid.org, though haven't used it. |
| 03:02.11 | debian | MochiX: of course there are many manual, but none of them require you to setup a secondary so as to make it work |
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| 03:03.44 | phantsam | anyone ever tried getting arcGIS to work with wine?> |
| 03:03.58 | mrwill | !tell phantsam about anyone |
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| 03:04.12 | JunK-Y | if im getting: Can't open /dev/dsp! |
| 03:04.16 | somiaj | phantsam: #wine might be a better place to ask that... |
| 03:04.20 | somiaj | JunK-Y: are you in the audio group? |
| 03:04.21 | JunK-Y | whats wrong exactly ? |
| 03:04.26 | JunK-Y | no, im root |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | #winehq |
| 03:04.42 | phantsam | tried winhq. they're a bunch of lurkers. no one saying anything. |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | phantsam: it is 11pm est |
| 03:05.09 | somiaj | JunK-Y: hmm, well users need to be in the audio group, if ya can't open that file, maybe the devices doesn't exist. |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | and iirc .. there's a website somewhere with programs tried/failed |
| 03:05.35 | JunK-Y | somiaj: it was working like 1 week ago |
| 03:05.39 | JunK-Y | even in root |
| 03:05.57 | debian | MochiX: secondary dns is just for your backup, it's not mandatory |
| 03:06.01 | somiaj | JunK-Y: can ya think of what could of caused this, kernel upgrade or something? |
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| 03:06.34 | mrwill | debian: not exactly true. |
| 03:06.39 | somiaj | JunK-Y: just need to track down where the problem is, check the kernel, make sure modules are loaded, check the file permisions on /dev/ds, make sure those are corerct.... |
| 03:06.53 | MochiX | debian: so I just have to setup a DNS server on my PC? |
| 03:06.57 | debian | mrwill: mine work without a secondary |
| 03:07.07 | MochiX | can be the DNS address the same than the hosting address? |
| 03:07.18 | MochiX | I'd be the hosting and the dns server |
| 03:07.21 | debian | MochiX: yes. but mrwill suggestion is sound, you can have your friend act as your secondary, and your act as his |
| 03:07.36 | mrwill | debian: really? who do you buy your domains from? |
| 03:07.36 | MochiX | so he would have to setup his dns server too |
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| 03:07.53 | mechan0r | mydomain.com is good |
| 03:08.06 | debian | mrwill, MochiX: I think you mean the domain registerar requires you to type in your secondary address right? |
| 03:08.14 | mrwill | debian: exactly. |
| 03:08.15 | debian | mrwill, MochiX: just type anything. :) |
| 03:08.26 | MochiX | oh |
| 03:08.27 | MochiX | nice tip |
| 03:08.33 | debian | :) |
| 03:08.38 | eclipsex | lol |
| 03:08.45 | debian | I typed an non-existance ip |
| 03:08.45 | mrwill | debian: I've got to think outside the type in stuff box more often... |
| 03:09.09 | debian | mrwill: but your idea is good. |
| 03:09.19 | mrwill | debian: it was somebody else's idea, actually. |
| 03:09.20 | somiaj | mine requires two, but I just type in ns1.domain and ns2.domain, and then send both them to the same ip if I don't have another server avilable |
| 03:10.12 | debian | somiaj: yes, and you'll have to enter type domain name in your .db as well. |
| 03:10.21 | mrwill | I've always thought that two-ip restriction was a bit silly. |
| 03:10.44 | debian | somiaj: again, just point your ns2......com to anything. :) |
| 03:10.59 | MochiX | I have BIND for Linux.. what can I use for WIN XP? |
| 03:11.23 | mrwill | MochiX: that's not really a debian question |
| 03:11.24 | streuner | MochiX: we don't care |
| 03:11.34 | MochiX | sorry |
| 03:11.36 | debian | mrwill: actually I've more than one static IP and I could have setup a second on the same box with alias. I found it amazing that I don't need to. :) |
| 03:11.36 | MochiX | you right |
| 03:12.07 | debian | MochiX: fdisk |
| 03:12.31 | mrwill | debian: and convenient. I have plenty of ip's to do this with, but I never considered trying to trick the registrars that way. |
| 03:12.56 | somiaj | debian: yea, I usually have two, know enough people running linux on broad band, so it works out ok for me...(:, tis nice setting up people linux boxes |
| 03:13.07 | debian | mrwill: I use networksolutions.com, most expensive, but good and responsive services |
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| 03:13.31 | debian | somiaj: I may consider meet some friend later in my life. :) |
| 03:13.44 | Led_Zeppelin | I have 5 computers, and 2 routers (Netgear and Gigafast), is it possible to have a LAN with 2 routers? |
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| 03:14.09 | Rez | Led_Zeppelin: possible, but why? |
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| 03:14.44 | Led_Zeppelin | Rez, because, I won't have enough ports for my computers on my routers |
| 03:15.03 | Rez | Led_Zeppelin: then get a hub or switch |
| 03:15.21 | mrwill | Led_Zeppelin: that is much simpler than two routers. |
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| 03:15.35 | debian | while we're at it: DO NOT BUY FROM domainnic.com, you can't get more shitty support than they offer. ;) |
| 03:15.36 | Led_Zeppelin | mrwill, heh, I have 2 routers though |
| 03:15.45 | Rez | spend the $20 |
| 03:15.52 | Led_Zeppelin | Rez, I have 2 routers though, I guess one of them can act as a switch too or both |
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| 03:16.13 | mrwill | Led_Zeppelin: if one of them can be a switch, just use it as a switch. |
| 03:16.21 | Rez | Led_Zeppelin: probably not. they'll more than likely fight for giving out dhcp leases |
| 03:16.41 | Rez | you could dual nat the second set of hosts, but that's just ugly as hell |
| 03:16.45 | Led_Zeppelin | Rez, yes! thats what my problem is! |
| 03:17.02 | mrwill | Led_Zeppelin: well, obviously only one of them can be a dhcp server. |
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| 03:17.33 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, what solution do you suggest other then buying a switch/hub |
| 03:18.01 | marcst | disable dhcp on one of them? via the builtin snazzy web interface? (guessing :) |
| 03:18.25 | Led_Zeppelin | okay! |
| 03:18.25 | Led_Zeppelin | brb |
| 03:18.25 | Rez | unhooking the extra machines. dude, it's $20 |
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| 03:18.25 | Led_Zeppelin | Rez, no money + time here |
| 03:18.39 | somiaj | Led_Zeppelin: most routers should act as a switch just fine, just don't plug anything into the WAN (or uplink) port |
| 03:18.43 | Rez | trade the second router at a resale shop |
| 03:18.51 | mrwill | Led_Zeppelin: how did you get into this situation, having two routers? |
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| 03:20.24 | sanxiyn | !md5 |
| 03:20.24 | dpkg | hmm... md5 is a message digest (one-way hash), or "With md5 encryption, passwords can be longer than 8 characters" (from libpam-doc), or see http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1321.html |
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| 03:21.00 | sanxiyn | Perhaps you know this already, but MD5 collision is found. |
| 03:21.01 | MochiX | debian: when I registered my domain, they sent me a couple of DNS addresses to my mail |
| 03:21.44 | mrwill | MochiX: they are probably providing you with some kind of free 'parking' service or something. |
| 03:21.52 | mrwill | MochiX: what happens when you go to your domain? |
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| 03:22.08 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: has the paper been presented at the crypto conference already? |
| 03:22.22 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Yes. I watched that on live. |
| 03:22.31 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: About 30 minutes ago. |
| 03:22.49 | MochiX | mrwill: I got a message from domain bank :) |
| 03:22.58 | MochiX | so they're providing me DNS servers? |
| 03:23.05 | MochiX | I haven't paid for that |
| 03:23.25 | mrwill | MochiX: dunno, what happens when you type 'dig yourdomain.com' |
| 03:23.43 | MochiX | mrwill: i'm not on linux right now |
| 03:23.51 | mrwill | MochiX: oh. |
| 03:23.55 | MochiX | my domain is mochilea.com |
| 03:24.18 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: did he detail his collision search method? |
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| 03:24.27 | mrwill | MochiX: yes. I get results back. |
| 03:24.43 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: what's an MD5 collision ? |
| 03:24.43 | MochiX | so? |
| 03:24.53 | MochiX | mrwill: are they providing me dns servers? |
| 03:24.59 | mrwill | MochiX: so domainbank.com has assigned you dns servers. |
| 03:25.09 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Her English was difficult to hear, but details were not presented AFAICT. |
| 03:25.20 | nailbiter | jarango_: when two different strings are found to produce the same MD5 hash. |
| 03:25.21 | mrwill | MochiX: whether you can control them is a quite different question. |
| 03:25.24 | sjtu | anyone can give a example to use pstoedit, like i want to convert 1.pdf? |
| 03:25.34 | mrwill | nailbiter: does that happen? shouldn't very much at all. |
| 03:25.35 | MochiX | h |
| 03:25.36 | MochiX | oh |
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| 03:25.40 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/md5col/ (Here's such two different strings.) |
| 03:25.41 | MochiX | you're right |
| 03:25.53 | jarango_ | nailbiter: and this was believed to not be possible ? |
| 03:25.59 | sanxiyn | jarango_: Yes. |
| 03:26.02 | MochiX | mrwill: thank you man |
| 03:26.07 | mrwill | MochiX: sure. |
| 03:26.13 | ScareBYte | hi |
| 03:26.13 | ScareBYte | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/lamps/mod_perl-1.99_14/src/modules/perl' |
| 03:26.13 | ScareBYte | mkdir /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4: El fichero existe at /usr/share/perl/5.8/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 112 |
| 03:26.13 | ScareBYte | make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 255 |
| 03:26.14 | nailbiter | mrwill: that was what the crypto paper was all about -- that someone had found an MD5 hash collision. rumours abounded that he even had a systematic way of finding collisions without resorting to brute force searches .. |
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| 03:26.17 | MochiX | I'm going to check how to setup a dns server or getting an account name in dyndns |
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| 03:26.20 | ScareBYte | some idea? |
| 03:26.28 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: wow |
| 03:26.28 | sanxiyn | jarango: Believed not to be possible in a reasonable time with current hardware. |
| 03:26.30 | t-jack | Does Debian have internet telephone, voip pkgs? |
| 03:26.37 | jeebes | say I just installed 3ddesk through apt-get, it works kinda, but it will only render 1 workspace |
| 03:26.38 | sanxiyn | t-jack: Yes. |
| 03:26.39 | nailbiter | jarango_: there are 2^128 possible MD5 hashes. that exceeds the estimated number of elementary particles in this universe. |
| 03:26.40 | streuner | ScareBYte: Don't flood here |
| 03:26.47 | jeebes | it gives the error "get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one" |
| 03:26.57 | jeebes | anyone know a way to fix that? |
| 03:26.59 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Eh, I don't think so. |
| 03:27.03 | mrwill | nailbiter: is there a systematic way of finding collisions? |
| 03:27.07 | t-jack | sanxiyn: do they work as well as Ma Bell? |
| 03:27.42 | uncleboy | list |
| 03:27.43 | nailbiter | mrwill: i don't know. :) i only heard about a possible collision on slashdot yesterday .. |
| 03:27.46 | Guerin | !list |
| 03:27.47 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 03:28.01 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Now it's official and real collision. |
| 03:28.08 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Try this yourself, http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/md5col/ |
| 03:28.16 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: thank you, kind sir |
| 03:28.17 | mrwill | sanxiyn: thanks. |
| 03:28.31 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: And try hexdump and diff. It really seems "systematic" way to find collision is found! |
| 03:28.33 | t-jack | sanxiyn: Official? md5 is dead? |
| 03:28.36 | jarango_ | sanxiyn, nailbiter: sorry for my ignorance, but why was this thought to be impossible if anything larger than 128 will obviously produce more combinations than are possible with just 128 ... |
| 03:28.38 | sanxiyn | t-jack: Not yet. |
| 03:29.18 | sanxiyn | jarango: Of course, it's obvious that MD5 collision exists. It wasn't obvious that one such pair could be found in, say, 100 years. |
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| 03:29.43 | streuner | ScareBYte: yes, /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:29.43 | t-jack | sanxiyn: Do these voip/netphone apps work as well as Ma Bell? |
| 03:29.50 | sanxiyn | jarango: Instead these attackers found collision in an hour, they claim. |
| 03:29.54 | sanxiyn | t-jack: I don't know about Ma Bell. |
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| 03:30.18 | t-jack | sanxiyn: Do these voip/netphone apps work as well as the landline telephone company? |
| 03:30.23 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: so do they actually have an algorithm to produce collissions ? |
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| 03:30.25 | streuner | ScareBYte: not to me, you flooded into channel... |
| 03:30.30 | nailbiter | jarango_: yes, there is no discernible pattern to the way MD5 maps strings to hashes. so there apparently was no way to find a collision short of exhaustive, brute force trial and error .. |
| 03:30.40 | sanxiyn | jarango_: It seems. But it is not published, as far as I know. |
| 03:30.53 | Xenguy | Q. For those using Thunderbird, is it working well for you, or is it buggy? |
| 03:31.12 | nailbiter | jarango_: and given that MD5 is used _everywhere_, the security implications could be stunning. |
| 03:31.19 | sanxiyn | Xenguy: Working well for my IMAP purposes. |
| 03:31.27 | jarango_ | nailbiter: yes |
| 03:31.32 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: cool |
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| 03:31.52 | streuner | ScareB: tell us more details, you flooded some crap, but without any details |
| 03:31.53 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Could you reproduce the result? |
| 03:31.55 | zinx | nailbiter: until you consider the perversion that glibc goes through to hash a password with md5 |
| 03:31.56 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: I assume it is easy to migrate mail from the mozilla mail client also? |
| 03:32.45 | zinx | nailbiter: 'course i guess a lot of stuff doesn't go through that much pain :/ |
| 03:32.50 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: yes, i can reproduce the result! |
| 03:32.50 | sanxiyn | Xenguy: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/faq.html#q2.10 |
| 03:32.53 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: so those two binary files in the link you posted are different yet supposed to yield the same hash ? |
| 03:32.56 | sanxiyn | Xenguy: More on FAQ. |
| 03:33.01 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: my thanks :-) |
| 03:33.21 | nailbiter | zinx: well, if this paper turns out to be for real, i guess we get to change /etc/passwd formats yet again. :) |
| 03:33.38 | Guerin | what next, though? |
| 03:33.39 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Also try hexdump/diff. Does that surprise you? |
| 03:33.42 | nailbiter | zinx: and introduce yet worse crypt() silliness .. |
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| 03:34.35 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: it does. i can see (from a quick glance) a one-byte difference at offset 18 (?) .. |
| 03:34.53 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Actually there's only 3 byte difference out of 128 byte. |
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| 03:34.55 | nailbiter | zinx: oh well. :) i guess backward compatibility is a price worth paying .. |
| 03:35.01 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: That strongly suggests some systematic construction. |
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| 03:35.49 | kerx | Hi guys, what is the name of the Linux rescue CD again? I forgot the name. |
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| 03:35.53 | kerx | And the URL it was located at. |
| 03:35.56 | jarango_ | nailbiter: unless of course this is another Raelian paper ;-) |
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| 03:36.14 | jeebes | kerx: knoppix is a nice one |
| 03:36.16 | somiaj | kerx: any deban iso has rescue potentials, but there are varrious live cd's that do come with more tools |
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| 03:36.48 | nailbiter | jarango_: well, i've just verified the collision myself. head to the URL sanxiyn pasted earlier .. |
| 03:36.57 | kerx | there was a emergency CD shoot i forgot the name. |
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| 03:37.05 | kerx | resscd.org or something like that. |
| 03:37.12 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/md5col/ |
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| 03:37.18 | jarango_ | nailbiter: could it have been by chance ? |
| 03:37.19 | sanxiyn | Details are on http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/ |
| 03:37.23 | kerx | systemrescuecd something like that :-( |
| 03:37.33 | sanxiyn | jarango: It is not by chance. Read the details on blog URL I just pasted. |
| 03:37.52 | foxcokk | My aol direct connect doesnt work. do i need to forward port 5190 to the computer that i want to use it? I have 2 different computers that are going to want to use it though. |
| 03:38.03 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: I missed it, can you post it again |
| 03:38.14 | jarango_ | Isee |
| 03:38.16 | jarango_ | I see |
| 03:38.17 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/md5col/ |
| 03:38.19 | sanxiyn | http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/ |
| 03:38.30 | jeebes | the nice think about knoppix as a rescue disk is you can use it to burn backup cds if its hopeless |
| 03:38.43 | jeebes | assuming you have 2 cd drives or copy the image to hd first |
| 03:39.02 | jarango_ | sanxiyn: all I see is the two binaries, no paper |
| 03:39.17 | sjtu | anyone can give a example to convert a pdf file to eps file with pstoedit? |
| 03:39.23 | sanxiyn | jarango_: Heh, paper itself is not that different. |
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| 03:39.33 | Maxian | Hey guys |
| 03:39.58 | sanxiyn | jarango_: Paper is here: http://eprint.iacr.org/2004/199/ |
| 03:40.30 | sanxiyn | jarango_: Close to zero explanation about methodology. |
| 03:40.38 | holycow | <-- right now taking debian through torture test |
| 03:40.48 | holycow | one hd install, taking it to as many random boxes as i can |
| 03:40.52 | holycow | so far pretty darn impressive :) |
| 03:41.30 | sanxiyn | It seems to be 2nd preimage attack, if that means anything. |
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| 03:42.14 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: they claim the collision only took between 15 seconds and 5 minutes to find on their testbed .. |
| 03:42.48 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Yes. Somewhere down, they claim they could generate MD4 collision by hand, with method based on same principle. |
| 03:43.03 | Maxian | So I am trying to set up alsa, when I use my mic that works, but using alsaplayer puts out no output |
| 03:43.05 | Maxian | any ideas/ |
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| 03:43.40 | jaredj | my subversion broke. it segfaults. has anyone else seen this? |
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| 03:44.05 | debian | nailbiter: send them a md5 hash, and ask them if they could find a collision of this within 15 days. :) |
| 03:44.09 | nailbiter | sanxiyn: but i don't see a claim that they can, given a plaintext, produce a second plaintext hashing to the same value. _that_ would destroy the utility of MD5 totally, whereas here it still has some value .. |
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| 03:44.43 | Misirlou | dpkg: ping |
| 03:44.43 | dpkg | pong |
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| 03:45.28 | Maxian | can anyone help? |
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| 03:45.52 | t-jack | Anyone know of incompatabilities among apt sources? I cannot seem to stat a single unofficial repository. |
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| 03:46.00 | sanxiyn | nailbiter: Yes, there's no such explicit claim... |
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| 03:47.29 | Maxian | Also, when I hit play on XMMS it freezes |
| 03:47.37 | Maxian | no output into the konsole though |
| 03:47.46 | mrwill | sanxiyn: but how else would they find collisions at all? maybe they find only a few pairs simultaneously. |
| 03:48.11 | jaredj | maxian: xmms will do that i believe if the dsp is already allocated by another audio-using program |
| 03:48.32 | Maxian | I have xchat and the gnome terminal open |
| 03:48.42 | jaredj | try fuser /dev/dsp |
| 03:48.50 | Led_Zeppelin | are there gigbit routers? |
| 03:48.51 | jaredj | using alsa? what soundcard? |
| 03:49.01 | jaredj | led_: $$$$ |
| 03:49.16 | Led_Zeppelin | stick with 10/100 now? |
| 03:49.17 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
| 03:49.30 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: do you NEED more than 100mbit? |
| 03:49.34 | Maxian | intel8x0 (onboard with the ASUS P4P 800-E Delux |
| 03:49.36 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: seriously? |
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| 03:50.06 | jaredj | led_zeppelin: for a personal network? |
| 03:50.15 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, sharing a DVD movies for 6 computers |
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| 03:50.21 | Led_Zeppelin | jaredj, yea, somewhat |
| 03:50.28 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: hahaha |
| 03:50.35 | jaredj | led_zeppelin: so you need a gb hub/switch, not router, right? |
| 03:50.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, heh, wha should I use? |
| 03:50.40 | nailbiter | debian: heh. /me mails his /etc/passwd file to Shandong University. :) |
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| 03:50.45 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: a dvd player? |
| 03:50.46 | Led_Zeppelin | jaredj, no clue wha tI need. |
| 03:51.10 | Maxian | jaredj, any ideas? |
| 03:51.22 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, some are using mplayer, xine, WinDVD, etc..etc..othere are listening to music while watching movies |
| 03:51.39 | jaredj | led_zeppelin: if it's just a lan, you don't need routing. routers look at IP packets; switches and hubs just shuttle ethernet packets around |
| 03:52.05 | Led_Zeppelin | jaredj, need something with more speed though |
| 03:52.09 | jaredj | led_zeppelin: so routers need computational muscle. faster the router, more muscle you need to forward packets to the right places fast enough |
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| 03:52.28 | Led_Zeppelin | more speed and handle more bandwidth |
| 03:52.29 | jaredj | led_zeppelin: if you just have 8 computers in a room, and you want data to get places fast look for a gigabit switch instead |
| 03:52.49 | keenan | hey is there any way to tell apt to remove a package and also remove any other packages only it depends on? |
| 03:52.53 | sjtu | Maxian: make sure your soundcard work |
| 03:53.10 | jaredj | maxian: type fuser /dev/dsp in the gnome-terminal |
| 03:53.12 | Maxian | It works fine with other distros |
| 03:53.20 | Maxian | jaredj, nothing |
| 03:53.21 | somiaj | keenan: you can use deborphan to find out what packages don't have anything depeding on them, that's about it. |
| 03:53.24 | sjtu | keenan: apt-get remove packagename |
| 03:53.34 | Led_Zeppelin | jaredj, okay. |
| 03:53.37 | Guerin | sjtu: that doesn't remove dependencies |
| 03:53.47 | keenan | where can i get deborphan? |
| 03:53.53 | somiaj | keenan: with apt |
| 03:54.05 | keenan | oh duh |
| 03:54.15 | jaredj | maxian: can you play a wav? have you got a wav lying around? |
| 03:54.28 | Guerin | that wwould be a useful feature for apt |
| 03:54.29 | Maxian | actually I do |
| 03:54.30 | sjtu | Guerin: hehe, sure? |
| 03:54.32 | Maxian | with what command? |
| 03:54.37 | Guerin | sjtu: positive. |
| 03:54.37 | jaredj | maxian: play |
| 03:54.55 | jaredj | maxian: (you need sox installed, but you've probably got it) |
| 03:55.00 | kerx | anyone know a good mirror for most OS's in .iso format? |
| 03:55.07 | jaredj | kerx: linuxiso.org |
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| 03:55.12 | kerx | oh man, there slow :-( |
| 03:55.18 | keenan | thanks, deborphan looks like exactly what i was looking for =) |
| 03:55.18 | kerx | preferrably someone else |
| 03:55.20 | jaredj | *shrug* |
| 03:55.20 | kerx | i should have mentioned it |
| 03:55.28 | Guerin | kerx: look for torrents |
| 03:55.35 | Maxian | nope no sound |
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| 03:55.36 | jaredj | *nod* |
| 03:55.47 | jaredj | maxian: using alsa? |
| 03:56.02 | Maxian | should be |
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| 03:56.15 | jaredj | maxian: lsmod, paste into #flood |
| 03:56.25 | kjoonlee | Maxian: Use an ALSA-aware mixer to unmute the channels, if you haven't done so already. |
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| 03:56.39 | jaredj | *nod* |
| 03:57.01 | Maxian | what package? |
| 03:57.13 | Maxian | er I have alsamixer |
| 03:57.16 | Maxian | and alsamixergui |
| 03:57.21 | jaredj | good. use alsamixer |
| 03:57.26 | Maxian | and is there a mod you want in lsmod that im looking for |
| 03:57.30 | t-jack | Dangerous question... How can I fake a credit card number in such a way that ebay will accept it, but so I won't get in trouble for it? |
| 03:57.44 | Guerin | t-jack: ask in #c4rd1ng |
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| 03:57.55 | asciiwhite | hey fellas |
| 03:57.59 | Guerin | t-jack: you really should know better than to ask questions likie that in here |
| 03:58.03 | Maxian | jaredj, everything is unmuted and urned up |
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| 03:58.06 | asciiwhite | what is the j2re packaged under ? |
| 03:58.11 | asciiwhite | i cant seem to find it on packages.debian.org |
| 03:58.15 | Guerin | !tell asciiwhite about get-blackdown |
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| 03:58.47 | emzed | hi all, I have a question for a maintainer : is it the good place to ask ? |
| 03:58.52 | jaredj | maxian: using devfs? |
| 03:58.58 | sussudio | emzed: no |
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| 03:59.16 | Guerin | emzed: depends if the maint is in here. Usually better to ask on a mailing list or to email them directly. |
| 03:59.18 | emzed | sussudio: ok, is there an irc chan to ask ? |
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| 03:59.29 | sussudio | emzed: no. they have email for a reason. |
| 03:59.37 | emzed | Guerin: oh, it's not about a package, it's a general question |
| 03:59.38 | Maxian | its possible? |
| 03:59.54 | kjoonlee | emzed: Just ask, please. :) |
| 03:59.59 | emzed | how can I change the "maintainer name" of the package with dh_make ? |
| 04:00.01 | t-jack | Bah and fuck. Yet another place I'm shut out because a won't, and can't, get a credit card. |
| 04:00.09 | emzed | it automatically chooses a wrong one |
| 04:00.44 | Guerin | t-jack: can't you get one o' them one-shot accounts? |
| 04:00.48 | mwilson | t-jack: Oh, so it's better that you commit fraud instead? Stop whining, go to netspend.com, get a card. |
| 04:01.02 | emzed | so, it's not for a define maintainer, it's a general question :) |
| 04:01.15 | jaredj | maxian: hm, ls -l /dev/tty[0-9][0-9] | wc |
| 04:01.20 | emzed | I try to package a problem |
| 04:01.26 | emzed | s/problem/program |
| 04:01.30 | Maxian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.42 | jaredj | t-jack: what? i got onto ebay with no credit card |
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| 04:03.11 | emzed | ok, I find, I have to use $DEBFULLNAME |
| 04:03.14 | t-jack | mwilson: 'credit card fraud'... hard accusation. I knew this was a dangerous question. First, I dearly want to avoid even the apearance of such. (Then get a one-shot, a debit card or secured card, dammit!) |
| 04:03.19 | emzed | thanks anyway :) |
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| 04:03.52 | holycow | okay |
| 04:03.54 | holycow | one hard drive |
| 04:03.57 | jaredj | maxian: you are not using devfs. |
| 04:04.00 | holycow | 5 completely different systems |
| 04:04.05 | mwilson | t-jack: "how can I fake a credit card number"... that's fraud. |
| 04:04.09 | holycow | sarge booted up on all of them |
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| 04:04.19 | holycow | gnome worked flawlessly and i could config the network via gui |
| 04:04.38 | holycow | everything detected correct except for one cdwrite that doesnt seem to have support under linux |
| 04:04.38 | holycow | no biggie |
| 04:04.46 | t-jack | jaredj: Maybe I went on the wrong tangent, but it's denying me continual until I give it a number. |
| 04:04.46 | jaredj | maxian: could you paste the output of lsmod in #flood? |
| 04:04.46 | Maxian | jaredj, so, how do I use it? what package should I grab |
| 04:04.50 | holycow | the only thing that wasn't flexibly was xfree86 |
| 04:05.06 | holycow | some minor configging for the moni/video chipset and your off and running |
| 04:05.09 | jaredj | maxian: you needn't if you aren't already; it's on the way out anyway |
| 04:05.14 | holycow | thats one hell of an impressive test imho :) |
| 04:05.24 | holycow | tommorrow i'm going to try it on about 10 systems at work |
| 04:05.27 | Maxian | sure jaredj but its alot of modules |
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| 04:05.37 | jaredj | maxian i know, that's why #flood |
| 04:05.39 | Maxian | debian seemed to think I needed tons and tons of modules |
| 04:05.39 | Maxian | k |
| 04:05.46 | ull | Hmmm |
| 04:05.54 | ull | I cant removed ipv6 from my kernel ;/ |
| 04:06.00 | ull | says device busy or in use |
| 04:06.06 | ull | anyway to remove it? |
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| 04:06.33 | jaredj | ull: you might need to down all your interfaces. |
| 04:06.40 | ull | ah |
| 04:06.59 | ull | bets get the monitor and keyboard out then ;p |
| 04:07.15 | ull | best* |
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| 04:07.57 | Guerin | ull: ifdown -a ; rmmof ipv6 ; ifup -a |
| 04:08.26 | Guerin | ull: if you cared, you could even build some failure protection in... |
| 04:08.44 | t-jack | Well dammit fuck all, wince I cannot get a ebay sellers' account, anyone wanna buy a good 63-year-old US sectional map? |
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| 04:09.12 | holycow | only if it fell offa truck |
| 04:09.23 | asciiwhite | hey guys, im getting this error now after adding a new source to sources |
| 04:09.24 | Guerin | t-jack: dunno, is it stolen? |
| 04:09.26 | asciiwhite | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 04:09.26 | asciiwhite | E: Error occured while processing gnome-bin (NewVersion1) |
| 04:09.28 | asciiwhite | any ideas ? |
| 04:09.31 | mwilson | And the reason you can't get a seller's account would be...? |
| 04:09.33 | jaredj | maxian: i see what you mean |
| 04:09.37 | Guerin | !tell asciiwhite about mmap |
| 04:09.42 | Maxian | yea |
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| 04:09.55 | asciiwhite | thx mate |
| 04:09.55 | Maxian | it hoarded me with crappy modules, next step is to remove those |
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| 04:10.01 | Maxian | guess I would need to recompile kernal for that huh? |
| 04:10.12 | t-jack | mwilson: I don't have a credit card. |
| 04:10.22 | jaredj | maxian: i don't know if you need all those or not. do you have a firewire ethernet interface? |
| 04:10.24 | Guerin | Maxian: nope. Just make hotplug stop being stupid... |
| 04:10.35 | Maxian | jaredj, not at all |
| 04:10.38 | jaredj | heh |
| 04:10.43 | t-jack | Guerin: Not that I know of... |
| 04:10.46 | Maxian | I mean, I have firewire |
| 04:10.49 | Maxian | but no ethernet |
| 04:10.56 | jaredj | guerin: how recent is hotplug's use? |
| 04:10.58 | mwilson | t-jack: So GET one, fool. I have the worst credit imaginable, but I have a netspend card that lets me do pretty much whatever I need to on-line. |
| 04:11.05 | Maxian | oh well thats next |
| 04:11.11 | Maxian | right now I want to get sound working |
| 04:11.14 | mwilson | t-jack: I just put money in it when I plan on using it. |
| 04:11.17 | jaredj | maxian: .. i could be mistaken about 'eth1394' meaning ethernet. probably. |
| 04:11.21 | Guerin | jaredj: dunno. Sarge installs it by default, I believe. |
| 04:11.27 | jaredj | maxian: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 04:11.31 | Guerin | jaredj: no, it does. |
| 04:11.37 | asciiwhite | btw, i just added the source of blackdown to my sources list, but what is the name of the packages ? |
| 04:11.42 | kerx | does anyone remember that site that gives you a huge .iso filled with the most generic and most sought after drivers around? |
| 04:11.47 | Guerin | that's eth-over-firewire |
| 04:11.47 | jaredj | guerin: heh |
| 04:12.04 | t-jack | mwilson: 'nutcheck' doesn't give much leeway. I don't live a normal life. |
| 04:12.13 | Guerin | kerx: wtf needs an iso full of drivers for gnu/linux? |
| 04:12.30 | jaredj | the minute you burn them they'd be out of date... |
| 04:12.30 | mwilson | Whatever "nutcheck" is supposed to mean. |
| 04:12.41 | Guerin | nutcheck... yup, still there. |
| 04:12.49 | jaredj | maxian: what'd cat say? |
| 04:12.56 | Maxian | 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH - Intel ICH5 | Intel ICH5 at 0xfebff800, irq 17 |
| 04:12.58 | Guerin | jaredj: meow? |
| 04:12.59 | Maxian | | = newline |
| 04:13.10 | holycow | mwilson, netspend? |
| 04:13.10 | holycow | ehe |
| 04:13.23 | holycow | i gotta google that, you can't possibly owe more than i |
| 04:13.33 | nvz | so libvoris0 is now libvorbis0a? wtf! |
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| 04:14.35 | t-jack | Anyone know of incompatabilities among apt sources? I cannot seem to stat a single unofficial repository. |
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| 04:14.44 | jaredj | maxian: got alsaplayer? |
| 04:14.47 | Maxian | yea |
| 04:14.52 | Guerin | t-jack: what do YOU mean by cannot stat? |
| 04:15.09 | jaredj | maxian: try playing your wav with alsaplayer. play uses oss; that might not be working |
| 04:15.16 | jaredj | (somehow...) |
| 04:15.25 | t-jack | Guerin: eg Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 04:15.25 | t-jack | wcb: Couldn't stat source package list http://apt.debian.black.pl sarge/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.debian.black.pl_sarge_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 04:15.41 | nvz | !info libvorbis0 sarge |
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| 04:16.00 | Guerin | t-jack: right. That's not an official rep, and it's been down for ages, a month at least |
| 04:16.27 | Maxian | jaredj, nothing |
| 04:16.33 | Guerin | t-jack: and that message doesn't say the official reps couldn't be found |
| 04:17.15 | t-jack | Guerin: I know it's UnOfficial. |
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| 04:17.44 | jaredj | maxian: i don't know why it doesn't work |
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| 04:18.23 | holycow | mwilson, thanks for the netspend idea, thats awesome |
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| 04:18.52 | t-jack | Guerin: What about http://tuxfonts.free.fr ./ ? Is it down too? |
| 04:19.32 | jaredj | !info subversion sarge |
| 04:19.37 | jaredj | ? |
| 04:19.39 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 1660 kB |
| 04:19.40 | Guerin | t-jack: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main works |
| 04:19.41 | jaredj | oo |
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