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| 00:00.32 | cafuego | KarlosII: *shrug* |
| 00:00.37 | cafuego | YeTr2: There's the door |
| 00:00.39 | Seb | YeTr2: please proceed |
| 00:00.53 | gud | I wold like to leardn dbootstrap INTERNALS |
| 00:01.06 | YeTr2 | damn... i lost to myself in a debate.. knoppix is too odd |
| 00:01.07 | KarlosII | cafuego, this delay of sarge is not just an inconvenience |
| 00:01.24 | cafuego | KarlosII: *shrug* Nothing to be done about it here. |
| 00:01.27 | KarlosII | YeTr2, join kanotix |
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| 00:01.34 | gud | but google doesn't get any link |
| 00:01.43 | gud | I wold like to learn dbootstrap INTERNALS |
| 00:01.44 | YeTr2 | KarlosII how good is it? |
| 00:01.51 | KarlosII | cafluego except motivate the masses to do something about it |
| 00:01.55 | gud | where to go, sources maybe? |
| 00:01.58 | cafuego | is kanotix debian for dyslexic people? |
| 00:02.07 | ardy | seb: any other ideas? or amy I just screwed |
| 00:02.12 | KarlosII | YeTr2: in my partial opinion it's awesome |
| 00:02.14 | cafuego | KarlosII: half the people here are on sid, I doubt they care much. |
| 00:02.15 | Seb | ardy: i'm still thinking :) |
| 00:02.26 | ardy | seb: lol |
| 00:02.27 | Seb | ardy: cause I had that same problem, I just don't remeber the actual fix :\ |
| 00:02.29 | wols | ardy: tried a stock kermel from debian? |
| 00:02.46 | KarlosII | cafuego, kanotix is a live cd and becomes a debian sid installation when you install it to hdd |
| 00:02.46 | Seb | ardy: I sorta fail to see how the kernel only could do that |
| 00:02.52 | cafuego | KarlosII: and just for good measure, the other half of the people here are bots, not people ;-) |
| 00:02.53 | KarlosII | pure debian sid |
| 00:02.54 | YeTr2 | The_vulture, btw, the error is different this time.. before i had a gui, now startx keeps saying screen not found |
| 00:03.00 | ardy | wols: but then my ethernet wont work... |
| 00:03.10 | Seb | YeTr2: shitty, huh ? |
| 00:03.12 | KarlosII | cafuego, heh |
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| 00:03.18 | cafuego | KarlosII: So it still won't make his geforce4 work without him READING THE DOCS? |
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| 00:03.18 | Seb | ardy: what kind of nic ? |
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| 00:03.24 | Seb | cafuego: heh |
| 00:03.33 | KarlosII | cafuego, :) yes it will :) |
| 00:03.36 | ardy | Seb: an onboard 3c2000 1000mbit lan |
| 00:03.42 | Seb | ardy: argh |
| 00:03.44 | KarlosII | it sutoconfigure it for him |
| 00:03.48 | KarlosII | err auto |
| 00:03.56 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 00:03.56 | Bill | will grub always boot from the kernel that is on the top of the list?? |
| 00:04.02 | ardy | seb:It supposidly works with sk98lin but in reality it doesn't |
| 00:04.07 | Seb | Bill: "default", read the damn docs |
| 00:04.16 | cafuego | KarlosII: It has the binary driver? |
| 00:04.21 | ardy | the motherboard came with special modules/code for it |
| 00:04.25 | KarlosII | YeTr2, join #kanotix for more info |
| 00:04.39 | hennersB | ardy: if you're talking about the 3c2000, it does work with sk98lin |
| 00:04.47 | wols | Bill: apt-get install grub-doc. then read those docs |
| 00:04.50 | KarlosII | cafuego, not really but there is a script that installs the drivers at www.kanotix.com/files |
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| 00:04.59 | ardy | hennersB: huh... I couldn't get it to work.. |
| 00:05.03 | cafuego | KarlosII: so it's not pure sid, then? ;-) |
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| 00:05.19 | hennersB | i had to change the configure script to look at my kernel source |
| 00:05.19 | KarlosII | uh depends what you mean |
| 00:05.24 | YeTr2 | KarlosII, i've downloaded enough linux isos... and my cdburner is sol untill i get some os back up |
| 00:06.09 | ardy | Seb: could it be a thing with smp? |
| 00:06.10 | cafuego | YeTr2: if you'd read the docs you were referred to, your X would be long working by now. |
| 00:06.35 | YeTr2 | cafuego, are you talking about that xfree86.org site? |
| 00:06.39 | Seb | ardy: I doubt it, but at this point it would be worth recompiling without smp and see what's up |
| 00:06.46 | wols | ardy: you said it boots up different now. different how? |
| 00:06.47 | cafuego | YeTr2: No, I'm not. |
| 00:06.57 | wols | g4lt: blame windows |
| 00:07.00 | cafuego | g4lt: around 1995, I think. |
| 00:07.09 | YeTr2 | cafuego then what docs are you referring to? because i don't remember seeing them |
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| 00:07.27 | cafuego | YeTr2: The ones that come with the package you were told you needed to install. |
| 00:07.56 | ardy | wols: much fatser.... also, It used to blacklist a whole bunch of usbs now it doesn't and it used to load the alsa drivers but now that the 2.4.26 kernel has the sound card built in I dont need alsa |
| 00:08.03 | YeTr2 | cafuego name of the docs? |
| 00:08.27 | YeTr2 | ... |
| 00:08.41 | YeTr2 | thanks.. now i see why people really don't like comming to the debian channel |
| 00:08.52 | wols | YeTr2: do you need spoonfeeding with your food too, or only with computer stuff? |
| 00:09.05 | cafuego | YeTr2: Imagine having to help people who IGNORE YOUR HELP and then complain they weren't helped. |
| 00:09.12 | rich_ | YeTr2 Yes thats why the channel is always empty :) |
| 00:09.21 | cafuego | YeTr2: and THEN whine that #debian isn't helpful. |
| 00:09.27 | cafuego | YeTr2: Imagine 20 of those per day. |
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| 00:09.44 | YeTr2 | damn.. 'the ones that came with the package you were told you needed to install' can we stop using friggen pronouns, maybe it would be easier for me to comprehend |
| 00:09.46 | cafuego | YeTr2: apt-cache search nvidia; install the packages it finds, read the docs. |
| 00:09.48 | ardy | Seb: I wonder if it has nothing to do with ssh and maybe something to do with something else because samba doesn't work either |
| 00:09.55 | YeTr2 | thank you cafuego |
| 00:10.12 | ardy | Seb: And I can't get the http interface of my router... |
| 00:10.35 | ardy | seb: like maybe theres a firwall in the kernel or some sort of filter |
| 00:10.52 | wols | ardy: iptables firewall is non blocking by default |
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| 00:11.28 | YeTr2 | Justin: its subliminal messaging |
| 00:11.44 | sonicwood | wols: im back regaring the "kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 03:03" problem... it is the same error message with or without the root= line in lilo.conf |
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| 00:11.45 | tell | is a firewall necessary, and if so, which one do i need, preferrably with a nice graphical interface |
| 00:11.55 | ardy | wols: iptables doesn't work for some reason... error '1.2.9 can't initalize iptables table filter : iptables who?' |
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| 00:12.08 | deadcat | cafuego: is your orinoco ethX or wlanX? how do i change it to wlanX? its ethX for me now. |
| 00:12.08 | tell | i heard only about 5 virusses for linux are around |
| 00:12.18 | wols | ardy: then you haven't netfilter in your kernel config |
| 00:12.21 | dystopia | wols: ah damn i found the problem out. Somehow the old Nvidia GL libraries were in /usr/lib/tls... i deleted these... |
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| 00:12.47 | ardy | wols: do I need it? |
| 00:12.54 | rich_ | tell Irc started as one of them. |
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| 00:13.26 | ardy | wols: also in /dev/ there is no eth0 |
| 00:13.29 | wols | ardy: no since it's behind a router |
| 00:13.30 | danor | /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found howto fix this? |
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| 00:13.51 | wols | ardy: so how are you using your 3c2000 thingie when you don't have eth0 ? |
| 00:14.08 | ardy | wols: I dont know... it just works.. |
| 00:14.35 | sonicwood | anyone experienced with the problem: kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 03:03... the same message appears with or without the root= line in lilo.conf |
| 00:14.42 | ardy | wols: when I do ifconfig, it shows up |
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| 00:14.57 | ardy | wols: but its not in the dev dir |
| 00:15.04 | wols | ardy: ethX aren't in /dev |
| 00:15.16 | holycow | http://jut.net/mcbride-lies.jpg <-- hehehe :) |
| 00:15.39 | ardy | wols: where are they then? |
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| 00:16.16 | dan|el | ^D is used to stop stdinput to most programs such as mail, but how would I close stdin if I was using interactive mail from a shellscript for isntance? EX: mybashscript.sh: mail user@host -s Somesubject; echo "text body"; how do I terminate input to send the mail? |
| 00:16.42 | tell | rich_ : nothing to worry about so it seems |
| 00:17.11 | caereth | danor, what are you doing when you get that message? |
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| 00:17.29 | ardy | wols: where is eth0 stored then? |
| 00:17.36 | ardy | wols: if not in dev |
| 00:18.07 | dan|el | or to ask differently, how do I write in bash what would look like this in perl: open FH, "| mail user@host -s Somesubject"; print FH "text body"; close FH; |
| 00:18.08 | wols | nowwhere |
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| 00:18.12 | wols | -w |
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| 00:18.22 | danor | caereth: problem solved. I recompiled the binary. Thanks anyway |
| 00:18.27 | ardy | wols: oh... |
| 00:18.32 | dondelelcaro | cat file|mail user@host -s Somesubject; |
| 00:18.41 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: ^^^^^ |
| 00:18.52 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: oh yeah |
| 00:18.54 | dan|el | thanks |
| 00:19.24 | dan|el | that was too easy |
| 00:19.42 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: I'm using perforce to do something, I was just using mail as an example |
| 00:19.58 | Justin | dondelelcaro: isn't 'mail' mailx? |
| 00:19.59 | dondelelcaro | Justin: could be. |
| 00:20.08 | lightn | I'm trying to set up a system with the new sarge installer, I'm currently trying the 20040521 build and I'm having trouble setting up raid |
| 00:20.10 | spikboll | Where do I find a debian installer that can handle resierfs and hds bigger than 137 GB? |
| 00:20.21 | deadcat | is there a way to change my orinoco card from eth to wlan? |
| 00:20.39 | cafuego | deadcat: no. it would also be entirely pointless. |
| 00:20.54 | lightn | first of the partitioner forces me to have a partion for /, but I want to do that inside the raid |
| 00:21.07 | Viddy | but you could ;) |
| 00:21.08 | deadcat | k |
| 00:21.50 | vipe | any idea what command to use to extend a shared memory file (like shmctl on unix) ? |
| 00:21.55 | lightn | so I create a small one to get it to continue, and then I go to the 'configure md devices' and it hangs |
| 00:22.11 | holycow | isnt the 137g limit per hd something to do with the hardware the connects it? i.e. its 32 bit interface cant handle anything greater? |
| 00:22.13 | ardy | sed, wols: I have an Idea on what it is... I tried to replace the sk98lindriver with the 3c2000 driver and the make files didn't work so yesterday someon online gave me a different makefile for the 3c2000 |
| 00:22.15 | lightn | and to even get md to show up I had to run it in expert mode and select the module... |
| 00:22.19 | lightn | any ideas? |
| 00:22.20 | holycow | damn, wish i had an article for the explanation |
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| 00:22.32 | g4lt | holycow sort of. it's a limitation of udma66 |
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| 00:23.05 | medgno | g4lt: is that a partition size limit, or hd size limit? |
| 00:23.08 | holycow | Ah! k. |
| 00:23.18 | lightn | any documentation on how to setup raid with the new debian installer? |
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| 00:23.30 | g4lt | medgno hard drive limitation. |
| 00:23.43 | medgno | g4lt: so how would you use a larger drive? |
| 00:24.26 | holycow | thats a good question |
| 00:24.32 | wols | medgno: use a newer kernel. and hope your harddisk controller can do 48bit sector addresses |
| 00:24.52 | g4lt | medgno soldering iron, unsolder the udma66 chipset and put in a newer chipset |
| 00:24.59 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 00:25.00 | wols | somewhere around 2.4.18-20 IIRC |
| 00:25.09 | medgno | wols: so 2.6.5+ is good? |
| 00:25.29 | wols | medgno: 2.6 can definitely deal with 48bit sector addresses |
| 00:25.35 | medgno | okies |
| 00:25.43 | wols | but this won't be enough if your controller can't |
| 00:25.44 | guestish | medgno: 2.6.5 is in release canadate status, so it might not work 100% |
| 00:25.45 | jrdittmann | ok... so now GNOME and everything can see my airport card, and it's on the network and it's trannsmitting.. |
| 00:25.48 | holycow | cool, danky for the info, i didn't know that |
| 00:25.57 | wols | if the harddisk is > 137GB it will be able to handle itself of course |
| 00:25.58 | jrdittmann | now how do i get my web-browser / internet to use eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 00:25.58 | wookieNZ | hi, i have squid running via CLI. how can i tell how full it is??? Also how many hits it is getting, ie if its doing a good job!?!? |
| 00:26.21 | cafuego | wookieNZ: the squid logs |
| 00:26.32 | guestish | medgno: i mean 2.6 in general |
| 00:26.52 | medgno | guestish: ah, okay. i still run it for the speed boost and was just wondering |
| 00:27.06 | guestish | medgno: it works fine for me too, just saying it might not always work |
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| 00:27.27 | medgno | guestish: not a bad idea to make sure people know |
| 00:27.28 | wols | JDCentral: depends on the way you connect to the net, but usually by editing /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 00:27.31 | medgno | thank you |
| 00:27.37 | guestish | np |
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| 00:30.56 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 00:31.09 | JDCentral | ok.. so I've set up the interfaces 'correctly' I beleive.. (auto loads/unloads modules..) |
| 00:31.19 | JDCentral | and I can see stuff using wavemon |
| 00:31.23 | wookieNZ | cafuego, that just tells me what files it has downloaded...is there a summary of how much the squid is used up or how many hits it is gettign...ie 23% hits?? |
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| 00:31.26 | JDCentral | but... the browser won't use eth1 |
| 00:31.50 | wols | if ti doesn' |
| 00:32.07 | wols | it if doesn't work like you want you obviously haven't set it up correctly, no= |
| 00:32.08 | wols | ? |
| 00:32.20 | jaxxan | my wireless is configured with wlan0 |
| 00:32.28 | JDCentral | ah.. iSee ;-) |
| 00:32.44 | JDCentral | well.. put it this way.. it's configured so that everything can see it, but nothing is using it. |
| 00:32.51 | jaxxan | this is my first time seeing wavemon, but i configured mine using ndiswrapper because there isn't a linux driver for my truemobile 1300 |
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| 00:33.16 | tell | !goodbye |
| 00:33.16 | dpkg | Goodbye to you too, tell |
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| 00:33.17 | wols | JDCentral: then you haven't set the route correctly |
| 00:33.21 | jaxxan | ndiswrapper loads the driver fine, and i configured it with the wireless-tools package |
| 00:33.27 | guestish | !goodbye tell |
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| 00:33.38 | guestish | hrm.. |
| 00:33.40 | jaxxan | is wavemon just a gui based wireless-tools app ? |
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| 00:34.03 | JDCentral | it just monitors the strength of the signal |
| 00:34.07 | JDCentral | its a terminal app |
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| 00:34.19 | p-man | is sarge equivalent to fedora ? |
| 00:34.35 | guestish | p-man: fedora is red hat |
| 00:34.40 | wols | p-man: that's comparing apples and oranges |
| 00:34.42 | p-man | really ?? |
| 00:34.43 | jaxxan | p-man there is no equivalent to sarge. sarge rocks. |
| 00:34.46 | p-man | hehe |
| 00:34.54 | p-man | i know what fedora is |
| 00:34.55 | ardy | sed, Wols: Hey Great News!!!! It was the damn make file |
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| 00:35.23 | p-man | i want to know in the debian structure is sarge the testing version ? |
| 00:35.24 | jaxxan | * == redhat < sarge |
| 00:35.28 | guestish | p-man: yes |
| 00:35.39 | p-man | it is fairly stable then |
| 00:35.39 | wols | p-man: currently yes |
| 00:35.46 | jaxxan | p-man: yup |
| 00:35.52 | ardy | wols: thanks for your help |
| 00:35.53 | jaxxan | mines super stable |
| 00:35.57 | ardy | sed: thanks for your help |
| 00:35.58 | p-man | ok thanks |
| 00:36.16 | p-man | that's why i was asking is it's close to fedora |
| 00:36.18 | JDCentral | ugh.. ok.. so how do I change the route? |
| 00:36.26 | dondelelcaro | when we talk about stable we don't mean no crashes, or few bugs. |
| 00:36.28 | wols | JDCentral: man route |
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| 00:36.33 | p-man | I like to try a newer version of debian that is stable |
| 00:36.37 | dondelelcaro | We mean unchanging. |
| 00:36.42 | wols | JDCentral: you want to change add a default gateway |
| 00:36.43 | guestish | p-man: it is not close to fedora, its not even similar to fedora |
| 00:36.46 | dondelelcaro | Therefore, testing is not stable. Cannot be stable. |
| 00:36.56 | guestish | p-man: fedora operates on a release schedule, testing is continually updated |
| 00:36.57 | jaxxan | what should i name my dell poweredge 1300? any ideas? |
| 00:37.09 | siimo | my 56k serial modem only connects at 36k anyone know what the problem is? i have tried changing setserial flags etc |
| 00:37.15 | MrKeuner | hi, how can I test a network if there are some problems with some cables or some equipment such as the router etc.? is this possible? |
| 00:37.20 | p-man | thanks for your help |
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| 00:37.47 | dondelelcaro | jaxxan: less /usr/share/dict/words; pick one at random |
| 00:37.53 | jaxxan | ooooo okies |
| 00:38.01 | wols | p-man: the only differences between debian stable and debian testing or unstable is usually the time you upgrade: testing and unstable packages might not always install or work properly out of the box. if they run, they are always stable |
| 00:38.28 | guestish | wols: there are bugs and security holes |
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| 00:38.52 | Venson | Hey all, can someone point me to a repository with divx/xvid codecs? Thank you. |
| 00:38.54 | rich_ | I think sarge is pretty stable and I mean no crashes very few of what I would call a "bug". Ive had to reboot a few times improperly but I cont call it a crash if I killed my own interface. Its not a crash just because you disconected your keyboard and mouse at the same time and cant get them back without a reboot. But when everything stops and they can move anything people always call it a crash. Its not linux's fault. |
| 00:38.58 | wols | guestish: those are in stable too... or is there software without bugs? and about security: see security.debian.org |
| 00:39.15 | rich_ | cant |
| 00:39.21 | guestish | wols: security.debian.org doesnt support testing |
| 00:39.32 | wols | Venson: marillat.free.fr. there are no "codecs" in linux but usually the stuff is compiled into the movie viewer |
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| 00:39.50 | guestish | wols: there are codecs in linux... |
| 00:39.56 | jaxxan | hrm, /usr/share/dict/words is a broken link to /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 00:40.06 | guestish | Venson: www.mplayerhq.hu look for the codecs under the downloads |
| 00:40.15 | Venson | wols: Thank you. But i installed mplayer and xine and totem..and none of them seem to play divx/avi/mpg's |
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| 00:40.25 | guestish | wols: the codecs are in a seperate package |
| 00:40.26 | Venson | guestish: Thank you. Will look there now. |
| 00:40.33 | guestish | Venson: the codecs are in a seperate package |
| 00:40.57 | ardy | does anyone knwo how to get midi working? I see the midi deviced in /dev but kde doesn't recognize them |
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| 00:41.02 | wols | guestish: some time since I installed mplayer, but I wasn't at mplayer.hq for anything back then I think |
| 00:41.12 | dondelelcaro | jaxxan: that's because you haven't installed wamerican or whatever. |
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| 00:41.17 | JDCentral | thanks.. hopeuflly I can toy with this and get it to work |
| 00:41.17 | guestish | wols: marillat has the codec package as a dependency |
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| 00:41.40 | wols | guestish: so installing mplayer should give him the codecs just fine. |
| 00:41.46 | wols | unless he forced stuff |
| 00:41.50 | guestish | wols: but thats not what hes asking for |
| 00:41.50 | jaxxan | installing it now |
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| 00:43.10 | ardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.56 | debian | guestish: no...you may want to download more codecs |
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| 00:44.24 | guestish | debian: what? |
| 00:44.45 | JDCentral | ok.. time to test it out |
| 00:45.08 | JDCentral | DOMINANT |
| 00:45.14 | JDCentral | yes... I am a happy camper. |
| 00:45.25 | guestish | ? |
| 00:45.44 | debian | guestish: apt-get install mplayer might not fetch you all the codecs you need. At least in the past we've to manually apt-get install w32codecs as well. I'm not sure if it's fixed now anyway. :) |
| 00:46.06 | wols | debian: for divx3.11? |
| 00:46.08 | ansong | hasn't realplayer 10 come out for linux? i thought there was one based on helix or something. my copy of realplayer 8 only gives me "can't open sound device" |
| 00:46.12 | guestish | debian: yeah, he fixed that, finally, but got rid of the lite pacakge |
| 00:46.14 | guestish | package* |
| 00:46.24 | debian | wols: aye |
| 00:46.37 | guestish | debian: i compile mplayer from source always :) |
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| 00:46.45 | wols | ansong: do you use a sound daemon like artsd or esd? |
| 00:46.46 | debian | guestish: for the rest of them I've to refer to the website and download them manually. You CAN'T skip this step. :) |
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| 00:47.11 | guestish | debian: thats what i said to Venson to do, wols was the mplayer guy |
| 00:47.24 | guestish | debian: i said to just download the codecs off of mplayer's site |
| 00:47.36 | ansong | wols, uh...alsa??? not sure if its a sound daemon |
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| 00:47.49 | wols | guestish: it's always bad to download stuff and not telling the package system about it |
| 00:47.51 | guestish | ansong: has one |
| 00:47.53 | blacksmoke | how can i overwrite on a package ? |
| 00:47.57 | guestish | wols: its not bad, just inconvient |
| 00:48.04 | debian | guestish: oh, then it's for wols. :) |
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| 00:48.17 | wols | ansong: not alsa. are you running kde or gnome with sounds enabled? |
| 00:48.18 | rich_ | I use the upstream mplayer debian source archive, and then just use apt-get --compile source mplayer |
| 00:48.19 | guestish | debian: yeah, harass him, not me! :) |
| 00:48.42 | guestish | rich_: whats that? |
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| 00:49.05 | ansong | hmm, i can play mp3's, running gnome, debian unstable |
| 00:49.19 | JDCentral | oh oh |
| 00:49.31 | JDCentral | in xmms? |
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| 00:49.43 | JDCentral | brb... gotta bring my computer upstairs |
| 00:49.44 | blacksmoke | how can overwrite on a package using dpkg ? |
| 00:49.48 | ansong | JDCentral, yes |
| 00:49.53 | ansong | if that was for me |
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| 00:50.10 | guestish | rich_: whats the archive location? |
| 00:50.44 | rich_ | guestish deb-src http://perso.wanadoo.fr/debian/ unstable main deb http://labs.8d.com/debian/ backport main deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main but you need to realise when you do that your installing non debian packages. Currently mplayer is the only thing that I think is worth it |
| 00:51.00 | guestish | rich_: ah, you mean marillat's packages then |
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| 00:51.03 | ansong | i take it i need to install a sound daemon |
| 00:51.04 | guestish | rich_: i use those too |
| 00:51.18 | guestish | rich_: his mplayer-custom, aka self-compiled version |
| 00:51.38 | wols | ansong: no. you have to make sure the sound daemon isn't hogging /dev/dsp and that if you use alsa, you need the OSS emulation layer |
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| 00:51.41 | rich_ | guestish Yes but the thing is if you use the source packages yuou can compile them yourself |
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| 00:51.57 | guestish | rich_: like i said, thats what i use :) |
| 00:51.58 | cafuego | rich_: I found kaffeine (kde xine) a lot less sucky than mplayer. |
| 00:52.03 | rich_ | guestish Yes, it works like a charm |
| 00:52.08 | guestish | cafuego: bah, gui adict ;) |
| 00:52.14 | guestish | addict* |
| 00:52.24 | guestish | test |
| 00:52.30 | wols | guestish: for a mediaplayer, GUI is better |
| 00:52.33 | cafuego | testH |
| 00:52.37 | guestish | wols: go away |
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| 00:52.51 | The_Vulture | cafuego: I've reinstalled mplayer recently because xine (or libmpeg2 anyway) was having trouble with multiplexed streams for some reason.. mplayer seems to play the same files fine.. |
| 00:52.52 | guestish | wols: did i ask for your opinion? |
| 00:52.53 | cafuego | wols: nah, mplayer -vo aalib is fine too |
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| 00:53.07 | The_Vulture | guestish: this is a public channel, opinions don't have to be requested |
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| 00:53.24 | rich_ | cafuego But mplayer is minimalist. That fits my windows manager. I already have several front end s for mplayer that I wrote myself useing bash and xmessage it wont take long before I work the kinks out and decide on one |
| 00:53.25 | wols | !lart guestish |
| 00:53.30 | guestish | !srt wols |
| 00:53.37 | guestish | !kick wols |
| 00:53.38 | cafuego | The_Vulture: The only multiplexed problem i have is that transcode produces mpegs that won't work on my dvd player. |
| 00:53.42 | guestish | !helixsmite wols |
| 00:53.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.00 | wols | come back when you grow up |
| 00:54.04 | guestish | wols: you need my host mask |
| 00:54.05 | JDCentral | you want to reinstall a package? |
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| 00:54.39 | cafuego | The_Vulture: They don't seem to realise that the only opinion of ANY importance here is mine. |
| 00:54.50 | The_Vulture | cafuego: clearly :) |
| 00:54.52 | guestish | wols: try /ignore guestish@*!*@* |
| 00:55.12 | The_Vulture | guestish: most clients expand things appropriatelyif given only a nick |
| 00:55.19 | JDCentral | now.. |
| 00:55.25 | guestish | The_Vulture: cool, mine never seem to |
| 00:55.28 | peterS | !cafuego disclaimer |
| 00:55.31 | dpkg | somebody said cafuego disclaimer was Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both! |
| 00:55.34 | JDCentral | why is it that my computer USED to be loud as hell under OS X |
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| 00:55.55 | JDCentral | and under linux it's reaaaaally quiet |
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| 00:56.06 | The_Vulture | JDCentral: because the mixer settings defaulted.. |
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| 00:56.25 | peterS | JDCentral: you didn't get the OS X patch to fix the fan speed thing, perhaps? |
| 00:57.32 | Antisoche | how do I apt-ping some packages? |
| 00:57.39 | Antisoche | pin* |
| 00:57.57 | JDCentral | probably not ;-) |
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| 00:59.08 | Nosf3ratu | What is that designates that End should print F in vi? The term? |
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| 00:59.26 | tchino | wols: it is always comile, my kernel |
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| 00:59.36 | Nosf3ratu | Nm...it's the term. |
| 00:59.38 | peterS | Antisoche: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 00:59.40 | The_Vulture | Nosf3ratu: vi isn't designed to deal with anything but a rathe minimal base character set.. |
| 00:59.48 | Antisoche | peterS: Thanks |
| 01:00.40 | Nurbs | cyrus-sasl2 2.1.18-4.1 - version 2.1.18, debian release 4, NMU 1? |
| 01:00.43 | tcsetattr | Nosf3ratu, the key to go to the end of line in vi is '$'. Stop fooling around with those extra keys |
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| 01:02.59 | unixfool` | Anyone know a tool/script in (sed|awk|python|perl|sh|etc) that can do this: echo "1.2.3-1" > VERSION ; cat VERSION | incrementnum -> "1.2.3-2" |
| 01:03.18 | unixfool` | simplicity is the key ;) |
| 01:03.36 | Venson | guestish: That didn't help. I installed just about every possible codec...but there isn't a divx one |
| 01:03.46 | guestish | Venson: sure there is |
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| 01:04.18 | guestish | Venson: xvid, and you can get libavcodec (also known as ffmpeg) from marillat or other areas |
| 01:04.31 | Venson | ok...will try that |
| 01:04.33 | plhofmei | hello everyone, does anyone know much about Exim Filters? |
| 01:04.37 | guestish | Venson: and you dont install codecs, you have to enable them at compile time |
| 01:04.39 | tcsetattr | unixfool, perhaps perl -pe 's/(\d+)(\D*)$/($1+1).$2/e' |
| 01:05.10 | tcsetattr | depends on whether you want to also be able to increment 1.2.1a to 1.2.1b, or if you think it should become 1.2.2a |
| 01:05.43 | unixfool` | tcsetattr: hmm.. yes |
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| 01:05.57 | unixfool` | tcsetattr: I knew someone would know some perl gibberish to accomplish this task ;) |
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| 01:06.13 | tcsetattr | and what happens if you increment 1.2.1z? 1.2.1aa? |
| 01:06.18 | plhofmei | anyone know where I could find someone that knows something about Exim Filters? |
| 01:06.40 | unixfool` | tcsetattr: maybe i'll disallow letters |
| 01:06.48 | maher | plhofmei: ask a more specific question |
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| 01:07.10 | unixfool` | tcsetattr: you rock :) thanks |
| 01:07.20 | plhofmei | I need to check for the presence/absence of a header |
| 01:07.26 | tcsetattr | oh, with lookahead assertion you can make it prettier: perl -pe 's/(\d+)(?=\D*)$/$1+1/e' |
| 01:07.34 | plhofmei | I've tried the def: |
| 01:08.03 | plhofmei | I could not get def: to work, so I went with: |
| 01:08.08 | plhofmei | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.09 | tcsetattr | somewhere deep within dpkg internals there is an official comparison function for version nubmers. You better make sure your incrementing definition is consistent with that. |
| 01:08.43 | plhofmei | maher: any ideas? |
| 01:09.00 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 01:09.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of rabid badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 01:10.17 | maher | plhofmei: talk in the channel - and i don't know much about exim |
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| 01:10.19 | croepha | can you install Debian from windows without using a CD? |
| 01:10.33 | guestish | croepha: dont think so |
| 01:10.45 | maher | croepha: probably with great difficulty |
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| 01:10.48 | guestish | croepha: i think you can do a hd install wtih a floppy |
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| 01:10.58 | guestish | croepha: worth a try |
| 01:11.02 | nichos | hi all, having trouble w/lm sensors. sensors-detect says "couldnt open /proc/bus/i2c" I have the i2c-core module loaded. Using linux 2.6.6 |
| 01:11.06 | tcsetattr | debtakeover from cygwin? :) |
| 01:11.12 | plhofmei | croepha: You can, you need to make several boot disks and do a net install |
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| 01:11.26 | plhofmei | croepha: or you can use jidgo to make an iso |
| 01:11.27 | Nosf3ratu | tcsetattr, I know that, but when I'm in insert mode, it's counter-intuitive to hit esc to leave insert mode, then hit $, then i again, back into insert. |
| 01:11.40 | Nosf3ratu | A one-key solution, you must admit, is far better. |
| 01:11.46 | Nosf3ratu | And it usually works. I dunno what changed. |
| 01:11.52 | tcsetattr | Nosf3ratu, I think it's counter-intuitive to NOT leave insert mode when you want to move the cursor :) |
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| 01:12.00 | tcsetattr | insert mode is for inserting! |
| 01:12.04 | plhofmei | croepha: I think the magic number is 20-some floppies |
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| 01:12.17 | cafuego | 42 |
| 01:12.19 | plhofmei | croepha: or one floppy you use over and over again and just keeping writing a different image to |
| 01:12.20 | unixfool` | tcsetattr: yeah, I may just use dch, and grab it outta the changelog |
| 01:12.29 | maher | croepha: you can get away with 2 floppies - 8 if you're unlucky |
| 01:12.51 | sussudio | there are *FIVE* floppies! |
| 01:12.57 | Nosf3ratu | :| |
| 01:13.18 | maher | sussudio: i thought 2 + drivers - am i confused? |
| 01:13.29 | sussudio | maher: i take it you're not a star trek fan |
| 01:13.31 | guestish | !+disclaimer |
| 01:13.31 | dpkg | I disclaim all of you!, or "fortune -m 'Void where'" |
| 01:13.33 | dogayonv | :dpkg confuse maher |
| 01:13.44 | dogayonv | :dpkg confuse maher |
| 01:13.47 | tcsetattr | Nosf3ratu, vim usually has some keybindings for function keys and goofy keys like End/Prev/Next/Ins/Del/Redo |
| 01:13.48 | sussudio | !lose dogayonv |
| 01:13.49 | dpkg | dogayonv: You Lose. |
| 01:13.53 | maher | !confuse dogayonv |
| 01:13.54 | dpkg | no, how is your hamster today, dogayonv ? by order of the republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 01:14.00 | dogayonv | LOL |
| 01:14.00 | dogayonv | its not working in kopete LOL |
| 01:14.07 | tcsetattr | it depends on your termcap being correct |
| 01:14.16 | maher | sussudio: no i am not a trekkie |
| 01:14.31 | g4lt | dogayonv trust me, it's not kopete, it's PEBCAK |
| 01:14.39 | danor | vtf is this: Sep 24 23:19:29 debianserver01 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-464c |
| 01:14.46 | dogayonv | well whatever lol |
| 01:15.08 | plhofmei | maher: know of any particular channel that would know of exim and MTAs well? I made a post to debian-user and debian-isp... |
| 01:15.14 | croepha | !confuse me |
| 01:15.15 | dpkg | no, them is their pants yesterday, croepha ? by order of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra cream |
| 01:15.18 | sussudio | !sing g4lt |
| 01:15.18 | dpkg | Sometimes he p4rks in h4ndicapped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped faces, g4lt's an 4ssshoooole... |
| 01:15.19 | tcsetattr | danor, that's the result of trying to execute a file whose first two bytes are "FL", which is not a valid executable signature |
| 01:15.22 | maher | plhofmei: no |
| 01:15.23 | juanin | hi! I got a simple question: if I download a kernel-2.6 source backport on Debian Woody via apt-get, will the binutils, util-linux, etc dependencies be downloaded too? (or they just download if I install the image?) |
| 01:15.29 | plhofmei | darn |
| 01:15.55 | dogayonv | lol |
| 01:15.58 | croepha | !confuse |
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| 01:16.08 | plhofmei | juanin: I would explicitly install them as well...just to be safe |
| 01:16.38 | plhofmei | juanin: You may need to use kernel-package and apt-get source --compile -t unstable binutils, etc... |
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| 01:16.53 | danor | tcsetattr: ya I read that it's an ELF thingie |
| 01:16.56 | plhofmei | juanin: Or you could just move to sid =P |
| 01:17.26 | juanin | plhofmei: hahah :) would you use sarge for a router? |
| 01:17.44 | tcsetattr | danor, an ELF file begins with the 4 bytes "\177ELF". your file isn't one of those. |
| 01:18.02 | juanin | plhofmei: I will use it for router woth rp-pppoe, htb for bandwidth-control and squid, no firewall |
| 01:18.15 | plhofmei | juanin: I have woody right now, for my home desktop/router |
| 01:18.20 | plhofmei | juanin: I am considering sid |
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| 01:18.34 | plhofmei | juanin: I would NOT use sid on a business/production machine |
| 01:18.35 | sussudio | !tell plhofmei about sid upgrade |
| 01:18.37 | tcsetattr | danor, maybe you should tell us what you were trying to do when that error occurred |
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| 01:18.56 | miles800 | How do I find out what process is using the cdrom so I may unmount it? |
| 01:19.03 | unique | s2:/home/buzzy# mount -oremount /dev/hda3 -o usrquota,rw,umask=002 |
| 01:19.04 | unique | mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 01:19.10 | unique | why does not this work ? |
| 01:19.15 | juanin | plhofmei: what about sarge? |
| 01:19.22 | danor | tcsetattr: I get this in syslog. Well, averything seems to work. |
| 01:19.29 | danor | ever |
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| 01:19.39 | tcsetattr | unique, usrquota is not a mount option, even though it is in the options column of /etc/fstab. |
| 01:19.41 | plhofmei | juanin: The disadvantage of sarge is that it lags two weeks...so security updates are 2 week behind |
| 01:19.48 | sussudio | !why |
| 01:19.48 | dpkg | Because! |
| 01:19.53 | plhofmei | juanin: you can always grab the security updates from sid though |
| 01:19.58 | invsblduck | dello #hebian :D |
| 01:19.59 | unique | tcsetattr: well it all did work |
| 01:20.07 | tcsetattr | unique, the way to turn on and off quotas is with quotaon and quotaoff |
| 01:20.12 | unique | tcsetattr: but not the umask thingie |
| 01:20.20 | tcsetattr | then why are you bitching? if it worked, you wouldn't be here. |
| 01:20.23 | croepha | how do i test to see how 'cool' or 'unique' my nick is? |
| 01:20.42 | invsblduck | ~nickometer croepha |
| 01:20.42 | apt | 'croepha' is 0.000% lame, invsblduck |
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| 01:20.56 | croepha | COOL! |
| 01:20.59 | tcsetattr | oh well I don't know about that umask... what is it, a VFAT? |
| 01:21.02 | plhofmei | ~nickometer plhofmei |
| 01:21.02 | apt | 'plhofmei' is 0.000% lame, plhofmei |
| 01:21.09 | juanin | plhofmei: the sytem will be a very basic one.. just the base-system, compiled kernel with htb and squid, nothing more... not too risky, isn't it? |
| 01:21.09 | unique | tcsetattr: a ext3 filesystem |
| 01:21.14 | neiljp | ~nickometer neiljp |
| 01:21.15 | apt | 'neiljp' is 0.000% lame, neiljp |
| 01:21.17 | croepha | ~nickometer bob |
| 01:21.17 | apt | 'bob' is 0.000% lame, croepha |
| 01:21.21 | neiljp | mmm |
| 01:21.23 | croepha | ~nickometer apt |
| 01:21.23 | apt | 'apt' is 0.000% lame, croepha |
| 01:21.26 | juanin | plhofmei and rp-pppoe |
| 01:21.30 | tcsetattr | unique, you have apparently greatly misunderstood the meaning of "umask" if you think umask is a mount option for ext3 :) |
| 01:21.30 | debian | croepha: print a name card with "I'm croepha of #debian@freenode and distribute to chicks in a bar. To see how popular you're |
| 01:21.40 | unique | tcsetattr: ok |
| 01:21.47 | invsblduck | croepha: the string 'COOL!' may be otherwise... |
| 01:21.54 | tcsetattr | the umask mount option controls the FAKE permissions used on wussy filesystems that don't have real permissions. ext3 has permissions! |
| 01:21.54 | unique | ~nicometer unique |
| 01:21.58 | unique | ~nickometer unique |
| 01:21.58 | apt | 'unique' is 0.000% lame, unique |
| 01:22.04 | g4lt | actually, if you want to find out how popular you are, mis a few bills |
| 01:22.12 | paxl | Question to all.. how to compile GCC without kernel header or libc ( for elf-sh (dreamcast) ) |
| 01:22.15 | paxl | ?? |
| 01:22.16 | unique | ~nicometer XzERbR |
| 01:22.23 | unique | ~nickometer XzERbR |
| 01:22.23 | apt | 'XzERbR' is 98.670% lame, unique |
| 01:22.26 | unique | :D |
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| 01:22.54 | croepha | ~nickometer debian |
| 01:22.54 | apt | 'debian' is 0.000% lame, croepha |
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| 01:23.16 | croepha | i tinhk we are all 0.000% lame :) |
| 01:23.17 | debian | !lart croepha |
| 01:23.36 | croepha | lol |
| 01:23.54 | holycow | http://www.fluffy.co.uk/boxbackup/ <-- neat |
| 01:24.21 | rich_ | thanks everyone see you later |
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| 01:24.45 | Prime | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 45617: |
| 01:24.45 | Prime | invalid package name (character `%' not allowed - only letters, digits and -+._ allowed) |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | Prime: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:24.48 | debian | holycow: it's called rsync. :) |
| 01:24.57 | Prime | could someone tell me what it means ? |
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| 01:24.58 | Prime | :/ |
| 01:25.12 | tcsetattr | Prime, it means you better look at line 45617 and fix it. |
| 01:25.23 | holycow | debian, ehe, :) |
| 01:26.10 | debian | holycow: honest, I've bad experience with rsync. It fails to recover from backup at some point |
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| 01:26.36 | holycow | it does? |
| 01:26.38 | holycow | :/ |
| 01:26.43 | nichos | how can i get /proc/bus/i2c to show up for lm sensors? im using linux 2.6.6 |
| 01:26.48 | maher | debian: explain? |
| 01:27.08 | debian | maher: the hardlink it recovers corrupted. Not all of them but bad enough |
| 01:27.23 | debian | maher: fyi. it's ext2. and it can't be recover by fsck |
| 01:27.39 | maher | debian: ok - file a bug - i've never had problems with rsync |
| 01:27.46 | holycow | i need something where i have win clients available for backup, and a few other features like encryption, etc. |
| 01:27.57 | debian | maher: have you recover hardlinks? |
| 01:27.58 | Nurbs | eh, the fs gets broken and fsck can't fix it? |
| 01:28.06 | Nurbs | or what is broken? |
| 01:28.19 | neiljp | nichos: did you have it working before? |
| 01:28.50 | guestish | debian: is that nick registered? |
| 01:28.57 | nichos | neiljp not with 2.6 |
| 01:29.14 | debian | guestish: why do you ask? |
| 01:29.16 | Torvalds-wanna-b | could Debian be installed using VMWare from windows with out CD's? |
| 01:29.27 | guestish | debian: just seems like it would be popular :) |
| 01:29.33 | maher | debian: isn't every file a hard link? |
| 01:29.36 | debian | guestish: i've been here since day 1. :) |
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| 01:29.46 | guestish | debian: thats crraaaazzzzyyy' |
| 01:29.57 | debian | maher: I mean those made by ln |
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| 01:30.11 | Nurbs | debian: what exactly breaks? |
| 01:30.18 | guestish | debian: day one is a while ago |
| 01:30.28 | debian | Nurbs: not break. we talk about rsync |
| 01:30.44 | debian | guestish: quite a while. :) |
| 01:30.51 | guestish | ;) |
| 01:31.00 | Trivia | hi ppl, ive been trying to figure out how to use the date command to only disaply the DAY, man said something about using +format but i can't get the right syntax, anyone know how to do this properly? thanks in advnace |
| 01:31.02 | neiljp | nichos: do you have any i2c modules installed? (ie. in-kernel) |
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| 01:31.17 | Nurbs | debian: what gets corrupted? the file data is different if recovering hard links? :) |
| 01:31.17 | nichos | neiljp yes, ( via686a,i2c_sensor,i2c_dev,i2c_isa,i2c_viapro |
| 01:31.19 | maher | debian: if youcan find a reproduceable bug someone will fix it |
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| 01:31.38 | nichos | neiljp but, sensors-detect wont complete, it fails becasue the /proc/bus/i2c dir isnt there |
| 01:32.11 | debian | maher: last time I check (dec 2003 I think), that the hardlink problem was report and persist for about 21 months. |
| 01:32.18 | Justin | Trivia: mentioning what you are typing would kind of be helpful |
| 01:32.19 | Nurbs | nichos: woody? |
| 01:32.20 | debian | maher: I wonder what's Hands is doing late. :) |
| 01:32.22 | neiljp | nichos: I don't have a /proc/bus/i2c dir... |
| 01:32.23 | cafuego | nichos: That's coz the 2.6 versions use sysfs instead. |
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| 01:32.30 | plhofmei | anyone know a bit about Exim Filters? |
| 01:32.33 | cafuego | nichos: Yoiu need an updated sensors-detect |
| 01:32.48 | cafuego | nichos: AND a mounted sysfs |
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| 01:33.03 | debian | @tell root -about root |
| 01:33.05 | Trivia | Justin: date +format %A is what i got from the manual but its clearly wrong |
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| 01:33.11 | nichos | neiljp what ver of sensors are you using? |
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| 01:33.13 | tcsetattr | date +%A |
| 01:33.18 | cafuego | /sys/bus/i2c/devices |
| 01:33.22 | Trivia | ah |
| 01:33.23 | Trivia | ta |
| 01:33.24 | Trivia | :o) |
| 01:33.29 | tcsetattr | "format" is something to be filled in by you. %A is a format. |
| 01:33.37 | nichos | cafuego when i go to the sensors website, it says dont download these files,t hey're in the new kernel tree |
| 01:33.37 | Torvalds-wanna-b | @tell croepha -about root |
| 01:34.03 | Trivia | now to find out how to use it in the filename for a tar'ed file for backup purposes |
| 01:34.15 | xsdg | I'm putting a mobo in a new case; do the pad thingies (clay-brownish color) go between the mobo and the standoffs or between the mobo and the screws? (or both?) |
| 01:34.15 | guestish | @tell guestish -about root |
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| 01:34.37 | tcsetattr | tar -cf /var/backup-`date +%A`.tar somedir |
| 01:34.45 | debian | xsdg: usually do... |
| 01:34.48 | cafuego | nichos: Version 2.8.6-11 (sid) here, which works fine once you manually load the required i2c drivers. |
| 01:34.50 | Trivia | xsdg: they cusion the screw head from the mono |
| 01:34.53 | Trivia | mobo |
| 01:35.01 | eoin | hi all, i'm using debian testing. i've just started getting these "kdm: :0[1361]: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty ':0' is not secure !" messages in var/log/auth.log which (I think) are preventing my normal user account access to X. I'm clueless with pam stuff! Any ideas? |
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| 01:35.06 | debian | xsdg: just move mobo between desktop case to server case back and forth just fine |
| 01:35.11 | neiljp | nichos: same as cafuego says |
| 01:35.17 | Trivia | tcsetattr: ta man |
| 01:35.33 | nichos | cafuego same here |
| 01:35.35 | nichos | hmmm |
| 01:35.37 | cafuego | CPU 45.6C, SYS 51C |
| 01:35.38 | debian | xsdg: might miss a couple of screws in the middle, but normally you can stuck 7 of them |
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| 01:35.49 | debian | stick |
| 01:35.50 | neiljp | I just needed to load the i2c-dev driver for sensors-detect to work (ie. so the dev files were made) |
| 01:36.11 | cafuego | neiljp: I needed i2c-viapro as well (so it saw the bus) |
| 01:36.12 | xsdg | debian: huh? what you said made absolutely no sense |
| 01:36.27 | neiljp | cafuego: I think it autodetected mine...maybe discover did it |
| 01:36.31 | debian | xsdg: :( |
| 01:36.32 | lightn | anyone have experience with software raid with the new sarge debian installer? |
| 01:36.50 | neiljp | cafuego: notquite as good: 37C, 57C... ;) |
| 01:36.57 | cafuego | xsdg: generally there are clips on the case that the mobo sits on, slightly elevated. Then you pop the little rings on top of the mobo and run the screw through. |
| 01:37.05 | cafuego | neiljp: hot system, ack. |
| 01:37.15 | cafuego | my cpu is up coz of rc5-72 |
| 01:37.16 | nichos | wait a minute, sensors -v says: sensors version 2.8.1 and apt-cache show lm-sensors says its 2.8.6 |
| 01:37.17 | xsdg | cafuego: "clips"? you mean the standoffs? |
| 01:37.18 | nichos | whats w/that? |
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| 01:37.25 | neiljp | cafuego: yeah, think its due to the case, need better case fan |
| 01:37.33 | xsdg | nichos: `which sensors` |
| 01:37.45 | neiljp | sensors -v -> 2.8.6 |
| 01:37.58 | cafuego | xsdg: Whatever your case has... so probably yes. |
| 01:38.00 | nichos | xsdg !!! thanks! |
| 01:38.02 | nichos | doh! |
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| 01:38.11 | guestish | ubj ybat ntb jnf qnl 1? |
| 01:38.24 | neiljp | cafuego: distributed.net has a habit of increasing the temp... ;) |
| 01:38.34 | xsdg | nichos: had a version in /usr/local? |
| 01:38.43 | kremlyn | Where is the best site for debian-specific forums? |
| 01:38.57 | guestish | !+rot13 ubj ybat ntb jnf qnl 1? |
| 01:38.57 | dpkg | how long ago was day 1? |
| 01:39.01 | xsdg | kremlyn: welcome :o) |
| 01:39.05 | cafuego | neiljp: Yeah, somewhat. Without it I run at 35-38C cpu and ~ 40C sys |
| 01:39.06 | guestish | :) |
| 01:39.11 | Antisoche | debianplanet ? |
| 01:39.14 | Antisoche | debianhelp ? |
| 01:39.24 | nichos | xsdg yep! |
| 01:39.29 | Antisoche | the debian mailing lists? |
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| 01:39.32 | dippo | how do you go about figuring out where to find a certain kernel parameter in make menuconfig |
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| 01:39.35 | dippo | i can't figure out where you turn on CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD |
| 01:39.36 | wols | cafuego: how can your sys be hotter than your cpu? |
| 01:39.43 | cafuego | dippo: usb -> usb2 |
| 01:39.44 | neiljp | cafuego: mine cools down, but not that much |
| 01:39.48 | Nurbs | dippo: you can grep the kernel source tree :) |
| 01:39.54 | cafuego | wols: big FO fan on the cpu |
| 01:39.58 | asg | wols: that's where he keeps his ashtray |
| 01:39.58 | neiljp | wols: you trust your case temp sensors? :) |
| 01:40.03 | dippo | cafuego: where is that? I don't see it anywhere |
| 01:40.04 | Nurbs | dippo: the Kconfig files |
| 01:40.06 | Antisoche | dippo: set it manually in .config and run 'make oldconfig' |
| 01:40.13 | debian | Where has Philip Hands - the author of rsync, been? :( |
| 01:40.21 | cafuego | dippo: devices -> usb -> usb 2.0 |
| 01:40.23 | dippo | yeah i was gonna try that |
| 01:40.31 | asg | dippo: /msg dpkg seen <nick> |
| 01:40.36 | wols | neiljp: since they are in the same chip as the cpu one, my guess is they have both the same kinds of erros :) |
| 01:40.38 | cafuego | debian: don't shake it, you don't know where it's been |
| 01:40.41 | dippo | "devices"? |
| 01:40.46 | maher | debian: probably on a small island off the uk coast... |
| 01:41.06 | neiljp | wols: depends on accuracy of lm-sensors calculations |
| 01:41.10 | cafuego | neiljp: what cpu/chipset you got? |
| 01:41.11 | debian | cafuego: :) |
| 01:41.19 | neiljp | I trust my cpu temp...it matches the acpi value ;) |
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| 01:41.30 | neiljp | cafuego: 1700+, via thingy |
| 01:41.34 | maher | debian: anyway i thought tridge wrote rsync |
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| 01:41.43 | cafuego | 2400+ here |
| 01:41.54 | neiljp | ah |
| 01:41.57 | sambatron | please, which debian kernel images support ipsec directly ? I mean precompiled |
| 01:42.00 | dippo | even make oldconfig blows it away if I set it manually |
| 01:42.04 | dippo | there's clearly a dependency I don't have enabled |
| 01:42.10 | tcsetattr | dippo, if you don't see it right under 'USB Host Controller Drivers', try enabling experimental options (under general kernel config) |
| 01:42.11 | dippo | but I can't figure what it is or where to find what it is |
| 01:42.13 | neiljp | cafuego: well, um...maybe the faster one runs cooler?...possible ;) |
| 01:42.15 | dippo | ah, hm |
| 01:42.20 | dippo | that's probably it |
| 01:42.33 | tcsetattr | in 2.4 it's experimental. in 2.6 maybe it's not |
| 01:42.34 | cafuego | neiljp: Yeah, they do actually. Different core. |
| 01:42.39 | dippo | i didn't realize it was experimental in 2.4 |
| 01:42.41 | dippo | cool.. thanks |
| 01:43.06 | neiljp | cafuego: what I meant :) but not sure it shouuld be that drastic ;) |
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| 01:44.20 | cafuego | neiljp: yeah it is, the thoroughbreds run a LOT cooler |
| 01:44.32 | neiljp | cafuego: talking of dist.net, do you know what happened to the pkg maintainer? |
| 01:44.40 | cafuego | neiljp: eh? |
| 01:44.42 | neiljp | cafuego: reall? |
| 01:44.51 | neiljp | cafuego: the distributed-net pkg |
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| 01:45.03 | prock | is it possible to (without killing an app) switch its display (for example from :0 to remotehost:0)? |
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| 01:45.31 | sambatron | please, which debian kernel images support ipsec directly ? I mean precompiled |
| 01:45.32 | cafuego | neiljp: I get the tarball |
| 01:45.37 | xsdg | prock: apt-cache show xmove |
| 01:45.40 | cafuego | sambatron: 2.6.x kernels |
| 01:45.51 | cafuego | sambatron: And no, you can't use those on woody/stable |
| 01:45.58 | neiljp | cafuego: me too now, since the pkg is out of date and I wanted the ogrp2... |
| 01:46.11 | sambatron | cafuego : > 2.4.2x ? |
| 01:46.13 | cafuego | neiljp: that's not open atm anyway |
| 01:46.17 | cafuego | !lart sambatron |
| 01:46.23 | cafuego | are we dyslexic? |
| 01:46.35 | invsblduck | dyslexics of the world untie! |
| 01:46.58 | cafuego | i am dyslexic of borg, your ass will be laminated, resistance is futil |
| 01:47.05 | cafuego | e |
| 01:47.11 | neiljp | cafuego: seems to be eating my packets... |
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| 01:47.39 | cafuego | neiljp: oh hold on, the libc5!!!! proxyper server i use doesn't do ogrp2 |
| 01:47.44 | sambatron | cafuego : I read somewhere that some 2.4.xx kernel-images were already patched with openswan or freeswan |
| 01:47.54 | cafuego | sambatron: not in debian |
| 01:47.54 | sambatron | cafuego : is that true ? |
| 01:48.07 | sambatron | damn |
| 01:48.14 | nayth | what is /dev/shm it's mounted as tmpfs even though its not specified in fstab? |
| 01:48.15 | wols | libc5 still exists? |
| 01:48.18 | neiljp | cafuego: my daemon was doing rc572 for ages since it couldn't find ogrp2...needed the new client :) |
| 01:48.23 | invsblduck | interesting -- i've just realized: i'm a cheater, cheater ..... packet eater >:) |
| 01:48.37 | invsblduck | fascinating |
| 01:48.46 | cafuego | neiljp: the old crusty proxyper just doesn't do it |
| 01:48.46 | prock | xsdg: coo. thanks! =) |
| 01:49.02 | neiljp | cafuego: that a d.net proxy? |
| 01:49.03 | cafuego | wols: slackware 3 box; 2.0 kernel as well |
| 01:49.12 | xsdg | np |
| 01:49.13 | neiljp | ouch |
| 01:49.15 | holycow | you know whats amazing? how a good skin can make a mediocre user experience superb |
| 01:49.19 | debian | sambatron: who told you to patch it? |
| 01:49.19 | cafuego | why ouch? |
| 01:49.25 | cafuego | it routes dsl just fine |
| 01:49.35 | wols | cafuego: didn't anyone tell you that it's not 1995 anymore? *g* |
| 01:49.40 | neiljp | cafuego: no issues with security patches? |
| 01:49.54 | cafuego | neiljp: Not anymore.. ssh needed some fiddling to make it work |
| 01:50.00 | sambatron | debian : what do you mean ? nobody told me to patch it, what I read was that they were already patched |
| 01:50.02 | holycow | here i found a decent gnome skin and a decent wallpaper and all of a sudden the system feels 'professional', which of course is totally stupid |
| 01:50.11 | cafuego | !hug ipfw |
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| 01:50.13 | neiljp | cafuego: I mean...just general ones with running a system that old... |
| 01:50.20 | cafuego | neiljp: Nah |
| 01:50.28 | neiljp | cafuego: or none you know about ;) |
| 01:50.48 | cafuego | neiljp: it's stable and any open services (apache/php/mail/ssh/ftp) can be upgraded quite easily from tarball. |
| 01:51.21 | debian | sambatron: then it's answered |
| 01:51.38 | neiljp | cafuego: take it that's not a 2400+...? |
| 01:51.50 | cafuego | neiljp: K6-2/350 |
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| 01:52.26 | StrykerUnit | what cds to i need to install debian? |
| 01:52.43 | wols | StrykerUnit: the first one.or a netinstall CD |
| 01:52.55 | StrykerUnit | wols what are binary cds? |
| 01:53.00 | maher | StrykerUnit: just cd1 if you are on x86 |
| 01:53.09 | cafuego | StrykerUnit: cds with compiled software |
| 01:53.35 | StrykerUnit | maher whats the filenname? |
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| 01:53.49 | maher | StrykerUnit: cd1? |
| 01:53.57 | nayth | are files in cron.daily executed in sequence alphabetically |
| 01:54.06 | maher | nayth: yes afaik |
| 01:54.19 | nayth | so if one fails then the rest wont run ? |
| 01:54.19 | Justin | nayth: man run-parts would tell you |
| 01:54.32 | maher | nayth: no it will just go to the next one |
| 01:54.48 | nayth | if a command hangs though |
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| 01:55.20 | nayth | surely it would twidle its thumbs |
| 01:55.22 | psycho000 | is novell netware a whole OS ? |
| 01:55.30 | maher | nayth: sholdn't cron fork a new process for each one? mayeb it doesn't |
| 01:55.44 | nayth | hmm im going to have to check |
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| 01:56.17 | tcsetattr | cron executes commands from /etc/crontab, one of which is run-parts /etc/cron.daily |
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| 01:56.43 | StrykerUnit | is it this debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso?? |
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| 01:57.08 | wols | StrykerUnit: yes |
| 01:57.10 | maher | StrykerUnit: sounds good to me |
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| 01:57.18 | JDCentral | hey - how do I mount my firewire drive? |
| 01:57.34 | tcsetattr | a |
| 01:57.35 | cafuego | JDCentral: load the ieee1394 drivers, sbp2 and sd_mod |
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| 01:57.46 | cafuego | JDCentral: ie: it shows up as scsi when all goes correct |
| 01:57.50 | JDCentral | ok |
| 01:57.53 | inxane | hey everyone - why doesn't my floppy drive mount in a normal user mode but it mounts in root |
| 01:57.59 | tukso | what happens on a network protocol when a field in the header (like checksum) has the same value of the trailer? since fields in the headers are supposed to be fixed sizes ... |
| 01:58.24 | tcsetattr | tukso, what do you mean by "trailer"? |
| 01:58.26 | wols | inxane: permission issues. or the floppy is not mentioned in /etc/#fstab |
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| 01:58.46 | gnu | hi |
| 01:58.56 | tukso | the byte, that end and closes the header |
| 01:58.57 | somiaj | anyone know of a good introduction to perl webpage |
| 01:59.01 | tukso | ops |
| 01:59.10 | tukso | open and close |
| 01:59.10 | debian | somiaj: #perl |
| 01:59.10 | gnu | here comes my problem: on SID |
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| 01:59.23 | tcsetattr | your question doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 01:59.26 | gnu | Distro: Sid |
| 01:59.28 | gnu | Package: libpam-runtime |
| 01:59.28 | gnu | Version: 0.76-18 |
| 01:59.47 | gnu | dpkg: error processing libpam-runtime (--configure): |
| 01:59.48 | dpkg | gnu: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:59.49 | gnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.49 | gnu | were encountered while processing: libpam-runtime |
| 01:59.54 | tukso | tchino_: do you know network protocol intrisics ? |
| 01:59.57 | tukso | ops |
| 01:59.58 | JDCentral | oh... can I mount the HFS+ filesystem, though? |
| 02:00.11 | tukso | tcsetattr: do you know network protocol intrisics ? |
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| 02:00.26 | gnu | i get this, at Sid installation |
| 02:00.53 | sussudio | !tell gnu about flood |
| 02:01.00 | gnu | sorry |
| 02:01.04 | maher | JDCentral: you need a kernel with the hfs modules built |
| 02:01.19 | sussudio | !topicbadger gnu |
| 02:01.20 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that gnu didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 02:01.21 | tcsetattr | tukso, ask the question in a way that makes sene |
| 02:01.24 | inxane | wols, permissions are fine and floppy is mentioned in fstab |
| 02:01.48 | JDCentral | yeah.. I built em' into mine, I beleive |
| 02:01.51 | aay | /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied |
| 02:01.55 | JDCentral | what's the type for hfs, though? |
| 02:01.57 | aay | crap sorry |
| 02:02.05 | tcsetattr | JDCentral, cat /proc/filesystems |
| 02:02.15 | tukso | if you a network protocol you know what separes one packet from another is the trailer |
| 02:02.17 | wols | inxane: that is provably false since as you said root works and user doesn't. what is the error message? |
| 02:02.22 | JDCentral | thanks |
| 02:02.41 | tcsetattr | "hfsplus" probably |
| 02:02.45 | tukso | the trailer is a chosen character, not very used |
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| 02:03.15 | tcsetattr | tukso, if you know network protocols you know that what separates one packet from another is the fact that packets have length fields in their header |
| 02:03.31 | inxane | wols :Unable to run the command specified. The file or directory file:/mnt/floppy does not exist. |
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| 02:03.47 | tukso | when that character shows up in the data field it's represented by trailertrailer (the same char) |
| 02:04.03 | wols | inxane: does /mnt/floppy exist? if so what are the perms of /mnt and of /mnt/floppy |
| 02:04.14 | tukso | tcsetattr: no that's not, because if there's noise all your comunication is lost |
| 02:04.16 | scout | anyone help me to delete all the *.rpmorig? |
| 02:04.16 | tcsetattr | tusko, WHAT PROTOCOL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? There is no such thing as a trailer in IP packets, and you appear to be fantasizing |
| 02:04.35 | tukso | ip, tcp, almost anyone |
| 02:04.35 | juanin | any kernel-guy? |
| 02:04.39 | tcsetattr | what protocl are you talking about? not IP, that's for sure |
| 02:05.04 | inxane | mnt/floppy has a link to unknown |
| 02:05.07 | tcsetattr | IP doesn't have "trailers" on its datagrams. TCP doesn't have "trailers" on its segments. There is no double-up-this-byte esacping in IP or TCP |
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| 02:06.06 | ariston | has anyone been able to get perl working with apache2? |
| 02:06.07 | tukso | if you say so, you don't know my answer anyway thanks. |
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| 02:06.28 | Justin | "trailer", thats a good one |
| 02:06.42 | tcsetattr | you won't get your answer until you ask the right question |
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| 02:07.11 | scout | help |
| 02:07.19 | debian | ~tell Boomer|Away about root |
| 02:07.26 | scout | find . -name *.rpmorig | xargs rm |
| 02:07.28 | tcsetattr | I know of one protocol that has "trailers" (like the opposite of headers)... HTTP/1.1 in chunked transfer mode. But I don't think that's what you're talking about. |
| 02:07.29 | scout | is this ok? |
| 02:07.37 | inxane | wols: mnt/floppy has a link to unknown |
| 02:07.41 | tell | !root |
| 02:07.41 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:07.56 | wols | inxane: you didn't answer my question |
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| 02:08.44 | inxane | wols: i have full permissions on /mnt on /mnt/floppy |
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| 02:09.14 | andi5 | inxane: try to "ls -l /mnt/floppy" in a shell... what exactly do you mean by unknown? |
| 02:09.16 | wols | inxane: you still didn't answer my question. are you deaf? |
| 02:09.18 | bcc | Hi! I just successfully installed Debian for the 1st time, but am having trouble with apt- I have a pkg, grubconf, that appears to be 'not fully installed or removed'. |
| 02:09.30 | andi5 | inxane: ls -ld /mnt/floppy |
| 02:09.37 | inxane | wols: to be honest i am deaf |
| 02:09.50 | tell | bcc: apt-get --reinstall install grubconf |
| 02:09.51 | tukso | tcsetattr: ok, ieee 802.3 has, so what |
| 02:10.00 | wols | and I don't know sign language, I'm afraid |
| 02:10.16 | tcsetattr | hmm, ok so you're talking about a lower level |
| 02:10.20 | debian | inxane: HIT YOUR KEYBOARD HARDER OR I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! |
| 02:10.30 | wols | tukso: do you know what IP is and what ethernet frames are? |
| 02:11.03 | nayth | he's an OSI layer 1 whore |
| 02:11.03 | nayth | course he dont |
| 02:11.03 | inxane | debian: not funny man |
| 02:11.05 | andi5 | what does osi 1 have to do with tcp or ip? |
| 02:11.06 | debian | inxane: WHAT??! |
| 02:11.18 | wols | andi5: ask tukso. he knows |
| 02:11.18 | tcsetattr | ok, I can believe that ethernet packets have trailers... but I find it very hard to believe that there's a magic byte that must be escaped in the body of the packet. |
| 02:11.29 | inxane | DEBIAN: NOT FUNNY! |
| 02:11.46 | JDCentral | you know what's amazing? |
| 02:11.55 | debian | inxane: RIGHT I'M NOT A BUNNY! |
| 02:11.55 | tukso | i want an answer for 802.3, i wasn't focus on any specific, anyone that have trailers |
| 02:12.05 | JDCentral | I fuck around in windows for HOURS trying to get the smallest thing to work.. |
| 02:12.13 | JDCentral | and in debian I just hafta screw around for like.. 20 minutes ;-) |
| 02:12.22 | wols | tukso: then better learn how to ask appropriate questions since yours certainly wasn't |
| 02:12.28 | nayth | normally the oposite for me lol |
| 02:12.31 | inxane | debian: yea you're not a bunny, you are just an ass |
| 02:12.40 | JDCentral | hehe |
| 02:12.42 | tcsetattr | to bad IEEE802.3 isn't available as an RFC |
| 02:12.43 | wols | JDCentral: still 19minutes too much |
| 02:12.46 | tcsetattr | s/to bad/too bad/ |
| 02:12.47 | JDCentral | ;-) |
| 02:12.52 | nayth | 20minutes in winodws 2 months in debian |
| 02:12.59 | JDCentral | what? |
| 02:13.03 | debian | wols: he's not deaf it seems |
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| 02:13.19 | JDCentral | It took me about 3 days to get wireless working 'correctly' in OS X. |
| 02:13.20 | bcc | tell: Thanks, but it looks like I was wrong- something else is wrong- let's see here... |
| 02:13.21 | tell | nayth : but when something works, it does work |
| 02:13.22 | tukso | wols: what i asked wrong ? |
| 02:13.24 | nayth | JDCentral: the _real_ difference is that once its working in debian, it works properly and forever |
| 02:13.30 | JDCentral | yeah.. that's the idea ;-) |
| 02:13.32 | nayth | tell:^^ lol |
| 02:13.38 | wols | tukso: you never asked about 802.3 but talked about IP and TCP |
| 02:13.41 | gnu | Does anybody know, how to fix SID "libpam0g" installation bug? |
| 02:13.46 | inxane | debian: deaf doesn't mean ignorant, like you |
| 02:13.48 | StrykerUnit | im going to start a talk radio station devoted to linux anyone interested in supporting? |
| 02:14.03 | maher | StrykerUnit: will you have shock jocks? |
| 02:14.03 | JDCentral | the cool thing is... it all works. |
| 02:14.05 | JDCentral | hehe |
| 02:14.07 | tukso | what happens on a network protocol when a field in the header (like checksum) has the same value of the trailer? since fields in the headers are supposed to be fixed sizes ... |
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| 02:14.20 | JDCentral | dammit.. my fans all just turned on |
| 02:14.26 | StrykerUnit | maher shock jocks? |
| 02:14.30 | nayth | tukso: its delimited |
| 02:14.40 | nayth | by fixed size |
| 02:14.43 | JDCentral | how do I add modules to load on boot? |
| 02:14.48 | bcc | ...looks like dpkg is choking on console-common_0.7.41_all.deb...error code 1. |
| 02:14.50 | tell | !moron tukso |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | tukso: You are moron #64 |
| 02:14.55 | debian | inxane: waste no further typing energy on me! |
| 02:14.55 | wols | JDCentral: put them in /etc/modules |
| 02:14.56 | maher | tukso: what do you mean value of the trailer? |
| 02:15.02 | andi5 | JDCentral: /etc/modules? dont know for 2.6 |
| 02:15.03 | JDCentral | danke |
| 02:15.05 | StrykerUnit | if you interested join #linuxradio |
| 02:15.08 | andi5 | lol... |
| 02:15.11 | JDCentral | oh.. yeah.. I need 2.6 |
| 02:15.15 | tcsetattr | I think he wouldn't be such a moron if we were listening to his question in the original Portuguese |
| 02:15.23 | gnu | Does anybody know how to fix SID "libpam0g" installation bug? |
| 02:15.27 | wols | tukso: a header always has a fixed size of X bytes, so that trailer byte in there is just ignored |
| 02:15.27 | JDCentral | I think it's like modutils.d, or something.. I'll finx it |
| 02:15.29 | tukso | the byte value of the char |
| 02:15.31 | gnu | join #flood |
| 02:15.32 | wookieNZ | what port does webmin usually run off? |
| 02:15.38 | wols | JDCentral: /etc/modules |
| 02:15.38 | tcsetattr | basically, he believes that 802.3 packets a terminated by a sentinel byte that must be escaped somehow if it occurs before the end of the packet |
| 02:15.47 | ariston | is libapache2-mod-perl2 all i need to get perl working with apache2? |
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| 02:16.00 | ariston | or to be able to run ANY cgi script |
| 02:16.02 | JDCentral | hmm... |
| 02:16.06 | tell | tcsetattr : boring |
| 02:16.13 | nayth | ZZzZzZzZ |
| 02:16.14 | JDCentral | how do I mount a .sparseimage? |
| 02:16.31 | maher | tukso: aren't the headers fixed length - so you know what stuff is by position? |
| 02:16.35 | tcsetattr | never heard of a .sparseimage |
| 02:16.45 | gnu | how to get "dbootstrap" sources? |
| 02:16.51 | wols | JDCentral: are you running kernel 2.4? |
| 02:16.55 | JDCentral | 2.6.6 |
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| 02:17.12 | tukso | maher: that maybe an answer |
| 02:17.12 | JDCentral | I backed up all of my old OS X stuff (music) into a .sparseimage |
| 02:17.20 | JDCentral | seemed like a good idea at the time :-) |
| 02:17.24 | sharth | hmm.. I just finished installing with the d-i beta4 and my mouse's scroll wheel isin't working. the zaxismapping is in the config as well. |
| 02:17.35 | wols | JDCentral: maybe something apple specific? |
| 02:17.35 | andi5 | anyone with working udev installation? is it ready to take over world domination and kick devfsd? |
| 02:17.37 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:18.00 | JDCentral | I'll google around, I thought somebody might have a quick answer for me :-) |
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| 02:18.05 | tukso | maher: but i'm afraid of if that can be misinterpretaded as new packet |
| 02:18.34 | bcc | My dpkg is choking on console-common_0.7.41_all.deb...error code 1. Pain? Help? |
| 02:18.35 | wols | tukso: are you writing your own tcp stack? |
| 02:18.39 | nayth | tuso: don't b affroad, 802.3 devices are designed by professionals |
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| 02:18.50 | wols | bcc: this is a known bug |
| 02:18.50 | tukso | but ok, that answer is ok for me |
| 02:18.57 | sciboy | Hi |
| 02:19.17 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:19.22 | tukso | i'm writing a wireless protocol, and found that doubt |
| 02:19.46 | andi5 | tukso: what does all that have to do with debian? |
| 02:19.48 | tukso | if i could use the trailer caracter in the header |
| 02:19.50 | sciboy | My sound seems like it doesn't work with a majority of the programs i use but few of them do... Is there something i am missing? (I am using ALSA with a Creative Sound Blaster Pro, 5.1) |
| 02:19.54 | maher | tukso: why don't you read the rfc's for the existing net/wireless protocols |
| 02:20.01 | tcsetattr | if you really want to know how ethernet determines the beginning of a new packet, you'll have to study more than the packet header format |
| 02:20.05 | wols | tukso: you don't care about lower protocols. the point of networking stuff is to work on the shoulder of lower protocols |
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| 02:20.19 | nayth | tukso: look into the amateur radio ip over rf protocols, might help you out somewhat |
| 02:20.37 | JDCentral | gah... seems to be apple specific |
| 02:20.45 | bcc | wols: Thanks, am researching... |
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| 02:20.49 | JDCentral | I'll probably end up re-flacing all of my CDs |
| 02:20.52 | JDCentral | DOH! |
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| 02:21.09 | nayth | tukso: google for AGW Packet Engine |
| 02:21.10 | wols | JDCentral: no osx around anymore? |
| 02:21.25 | guestish | heh |
| 02:21.37 | guestish | for the first time in forever updating doesnt produce any packages to upgrade |
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| 02:21.46 | ThisGuy | OK, simple question: I'm trying to figure out how partitions are mapped to /dev devices or GRUB (hdn,m) device names. Can anyone point me to a web page or something with this info? |
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| 02:21.56 | tukso | nayth:mine is not ad-hoc, is a central one (infraestruturaded |
| 02:22.04 | maher | ThisGuy: doesn't it say in man grub |
| 02:22.09 | nayth | tukso: fair enough |
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| 02:22.12 | guestish | ThisGuy: dmesg | grep hd for 2.4.x |
| 02:22.14 | andi5 | ThisGuy: apt-geinstall grub-doc && info grub |
| 02:22.20 | abydos | Someone want to give me a clue on something? |
| 02:22.20 | fpmc | Hi, I seem to have man pages for 'clock_gettime', but it can't be use in my program... any ideas? |
| 02:22.30 | abydos | How big is the debian equivalent to /usr/portage? |
| 02:22.32 | ThisGuy | I don't know... Haven't managed to get debian installed yet. |
| 02:22.37 | guestish | ThisGuy: dmesg | grep p1 for 2.6.x |
| 02:22.40 | maher | abydos: there isn't one |
| 02:22.46 | tell | abydos : don't ask to ask, ask |
| 02:22.47 | nayth | tukso: it does't really matter though, as you time delay transmissions to the nodes |
| 02:22.48 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:22.51 | wols | ThisGuy: apt-get install grub-doc |
| 02:23.00 | wols | then you will have /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/ |
| 02:23.06 | abydos | maher: It doesn't cache the package fetch locations and names? |
| 02:23.17 | ThisGuy | OK, except... <ThisGuy> I don't know... Haven't managed to get debian installed yet. |
| 02:23.18 | nayth | P2P or P2MP it's indifferent |
| 02:23.31 | maher | abydos: ok - that's in apt's available file then |
| 02:23.37 | ThisGuy | Windows 2K doesn't have apt-get, AFAIK. |
| 02:23.40 | owh | This may sound like a silly question, but I'm trying to determine when a file's access time (atime) is set - I'm unable to locate any man or web pages on the subject. Specifically, does it get set when a file is created in addition to when it was read, or is that dependent upon how you create the file - any RTFM pointers gracefully accepted. |
| 02:23.42 | guestish | ThisGuy: it should give you a list of your partitions, fdisk can list your partitions too |
| 02:24.00 | guestish | ThisGuy: well then use the install disk's cfdisk to list the partitions |
| 02:24.01 | abydos | maher: How big is an up-to-date version of that? |
| 02:24.03 | danor | is there no good evm howto? |
| 02:24.06 | wols | abydos: so why are you asking? |
| 02:24.06 | tukso | nayth: i don't think so but better go back writing it, thanks |
| 02:24.23 | wols | guestish: grub doesn't use the normal /dev/hdaX syntax |
| 02:24.23 | nayth | tukso: good luck |
| 02:24.25 | abydos | wols: I'm looking at building a router, and I'm speccing OS and distro for it. |
| 02:24.29 | maher | abydos: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12418553 2004-05-21 16:00 /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 02:24.33 | guestish | wols: hes asking for a list of his partitions |
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| 02:24.40 | nayth | apt-get install windows server 2003 |
| 02:24.43 | andi5 | ThisGuy: grub naming scheme is pretty similar to linux one... hda1 = (hd0,0), hdb6 = (hd1,5).... imho |
| 02:24.56 | abydos | I was looking at Gentoo as a distro, or Debian. |
| 02:24.59 | wols | he is not: < ThisGuy> ...figure out how partitions are mapped to /dev devices or GRUB (hdn,m) device names. |
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| 02:25.07 | guestish | !tell abydos about why debian |
| 02:25.11 | wols | andi5: correct |
| 02:25.31 | abydos | I'm liking Debian, but Portage takes grandiose amounts of space. |
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| 02:25.47 | guestish | ThisGuy: put in the install disk, type rescue, and use fdisk -l /dev/harddrive to get the partition list |
| 02:25.48 | abydos | Especially distfiles. |
| 02:25.57 | guestish | abydos: you mean you are liking gentoo |
| 02:25.57 | andi5 | ThisGuy: so... primary partitions ,0 ,1 ,2 & ,3 logical ,4 and higher |
| 02:26.04 | abydos | Does apt destroy the downloaded package files after it's done installing them? |
| 02:26.04 | nayth | sorry, apt-get remove 'NT 4'&& apt-get install 'windows 2000 server' |
| 02:26.25 | wols | abydos: apt-get clean dows |
| 02:26.26 | tcsetattr | abydos, if you run apt-get clean it cleans them out. |
| 02:26.29 | wols | *does |
| 02:26.35 | abydos | hrm. |
| 02:26.41 | abydos | So one could set up a cronjob to do that. |
| 02:26.46 | nayth | indeed |
| 02:26.47 | ThisGuy | OK, so GRUB naming scheme is similar to Linux... but I don't know Linux's naming scheme. |
| 02:26.47 | abydos | Every, say, week or so? |
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| 02:26.57 | guestish | ThisGuy: hda hdb hdc hdd etc |
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| 02:27.00 | Justin | you don't need a cron job to do it, things only get put there when you install something |
| 02:27.01 | wols | abydos: portage is so big since it downloads source. source is usually a lot bigger than binaries when stored uncompressed |
| 02:27.01 | guestish | ThisGuy: up to hdz |
| 02:27.09 | abydos | I know. |
| 02:27.20 | MrKeuner | any networks guys? is there good way to test a home network if there are some problems with some cables or some equipment such as the router etc.? is this possible? |
| 02:27.23 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:27.25 | Justin | wols: no, portage is big because even before you ever install anything it has hundreds of megs of crap |
| 02:27.27 | ThisGuy | Those would be different drives, right? I'm loooking at partitions on the same drive |
| 02:27.28 | abydos | wols: Portage stores the souce compressed and decompresses it to compile it. |
| 02:27.28 | holycow | http://news.com.com/Microsoft+places+bet+on+Whitehorse/2100-1012_3-5163454.html?tag=nl <-- the future is going to be interesting |
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| 02:27.31 | owh | Is my atime question beneath notice by any chance? |
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| 02:27.35 | abydos | wols: But it doesn't clean up after itself. |
| 02:27.35 | nayth | MrKeuner: ping |
| 02:27.36 | guestish | ThisGuy: yes, those would be different drives |
| 02:27.42 | bcc | wols: Yay, dpkg-reconfigure console-common eventually worked... thanks for the hint. |
| 02:27.45 | guestish | ThisGuy: hda1 hda2 hda3 for partitions |
| 02:27.48 | abydos | I removed distfiles once, and freed ~2.5gb of space. |
| 02:27.49 | wols | Justin: why would anyone do such a thing? |
| 02:27.50 | MrKeuner | nayth/ I ping and observe what? |
| 02:28.02 | guestish | ThisGuy: got it? |
| 02:28.05 | Justin | wols: poor design? |
| 02:28.12 | nayth | MrKeuner: responce times, if any |
| 02:28.34 | MrKeuner | 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=34.3 ms |
| 02:28.35 | MrKeuner | 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=475.2 ms |
| 02:28.35 | MrKeuner | 6 |
| 02:28.36 | tell | !bye |
| 02:28.36 | dpkg | Cya, tell |
| 02:28.37 | abydos | Speaking of which, after merging KDE and GNOME-2.6 I should remove distfiles again. |
| 02:28.40 | MrKeuner | google |
| 02:28.43 | ThisGuy | OK, but what determines what partition has what number? Logical Drives are different from primary partitions, etc. I think. |
| 02:28.46 | nayth | MrKeuner: nice :o) |
| 02:28.59 | nayth | MrKeuner: that's a puplic IP not private |
| 02:29.18 | wols | ThisGuy: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/#doc |
| 02:29.20 | owh | I'm trying to determine when a file's access time (atime) is set - I'm unable to locate any man or web pages on the subject. Specifically, does it get set when a file is created in addition to when it was read, or is that dependent upon how you create the file - any RTFM pointers gracefully accepted. |
| 02:29.23 | guestish | !partitioning howto |
| 02:29.23 | dpkg | partitioning howto is probably at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 02:29.28 | guestish | ThisGuy: read that ^^ |
| 02:29.33 | MrKeuner | nayth so I should ping my local ips? |
| 02:29.37 | tcsetattr | owh, atime is updated by reading the file. or manually by utime() (the function behind the touch command) |
| 02:29.42 | andi5 | ThisGuy: do you know primary, extended and logical partitions? |
| 02:29.43 | andi5 | ThisGuy: fdisk should tell you the partition table... come back with the number of the logical partition and we will tell you the names in linux and grub ;-) |
| 02:29.50 | abydos | I mean, noone will convert me from Gentoo on my desktop to Debian on my desktop. This is solely for my router. |
| 02:29.59 | nayth | MrKeuner: you've not said what you are testing, you asked an ambigious question |
| 02:30.08 | andi5 | abydos: can you give me the email address of noone? |
| 02:30.12 | owh | tcsetattr: Does creating the file in read/write mode count at reading the file? |
| 02:30.17 | abydos | I've put way too much time and effort into customizing this box just right, and I hate people screwing with my box. |
| 02:30.28 | owh | tcsetattr: s/at/as/ |
| 02:30.31 | abydos | andi5: the email address of noone, you say? |
| 02:30.34 | tcsetattr | owh, well, when you create a file, what atime could it possibly have besides the current time? |
| 02:30.35 | andi5 | yes ;-) |
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| 02:30.47 | tcsetattr | owh, obviuosly on creation the current time is used for all timestamps |
| 02:30.49 | abydos | andi5: what do you mean? |
| 02:30.56 | MrKeuner | nayth/ well I practice late coming messages in all instant messenger, they are coming alltogether at once. I have a 1 Mbit dsl connection and I think ý have a problem with my local network |
| 02:31.02 | andi5 | abydos: nothing particular, forget it ;-) |
| 02:31.08 | owh | tcsetattr: That's what I figured, but it appears to be set as NULL. |
| 02:31.11 | MrKeuner | in all instant messengers jabber yahoo msn |
| 02:31.15 | abydos | andi5: Forgotten. |
| 02:31.21 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:31.27 | maher | owh: give us an example of what youdo and what happens |
| 02:31.41 | tcsetattr | owh, what the fuck are you talking about? echo foo > newfilename . ls -lu newfilename . That's the atime. |
| 02:31.49 | tcsetattr | ls -lu shows "NULL"? I doubt that. |
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| 02:32.06 | MrKeuner | nayth/ would you have an idea? |
| 02:32.12 | nayth | MrKeuner: compare ping response times from the closest node to the internet and the furthest away, in terms of hops / routes / cables |
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| 02:33.02 | nayth | MrKeuner: there should be little to no difference |
| 02:33.05 | owh | maher: I'm creating a cache file in /tmp and checking to see if it was created x seconds ago. I'm beginning to suspect that the PHP statcache is interfering, but your assistance and that of tcsetattr have pointed me into the way of a solution. Thanks for your assistance. |
| 02:33.09 | tcsetattr | 'NULL' usually refers to a pointer variable in C. atime is not even a pointer. It's an integer. you mean 0? time 0 is Jan 1, 1970. If you're seeing that timestamp on newly created files, that's a weird bug. |
| 02:33.19 | kingsley | Why would ifconfig report that packets are going out eth0, but the gateway that it's connected to says it isn't receiving them? |
| 02:33.21 | MrKeuner | nayth/ there is dsl modem goes into a router and router distributes that to two computers? how can I do what you recommend? |
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| 02:33.40 | owh | tcsetattr: Yeah, I'm going off to investigate further. Thanks. |
| 02:33.57 | nayth | MrKeuner: does your router have a ping utility in its configuarion program |
| 02:34.04 | kingsley | My best guess is that I didn't compile the NIC's driver correctly, but it'd be great to find out how to test it. |
| 02:34.12 | MrKeuner | linksys nayth let me try to check |
| 02:34.31 | wols | kingsley: cable broken? does ifconfig get anything in return? |
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| 02:34.59 | StrykerUnit | join #linuxradio if you interested in a linux talk show |
| 02:35.07 | tcsetattr | kingsley, first check the arp cache... if you can't arp the gateway you aren't going to get anything to go there |
| 02:35.18 | tcsetattr | StrykerUnit appears to be a spambot. |
| 02:35.26 | candymanm | i have little problem in unstable. in gnome nongnome apps fontsize is just too sdmall... how can i fix it? |
| 02:35.32 | sussudio | !ops |
| 02:35.32 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 02:35.57 | tcsetattr | he says the same thing every few minutes |
| 02:36.19 | nayth | proberbly an mirc /timer lol |
| 02:36.23 | andi5 | candymanm: do you mean kde apps in particular? or one special? |
| 02:36.25 | MrKeuner | nayth I couldnt manage to find. I do not think it has one. :( |
| 02:37.08 | candymanm | andi5, well example xmms, linneigborhood etc. |
| 02:37.13 | nayth | MrKeuner: are the ping times from your computer varied (test with no other traffic present) |
| 02:37.50 | MrKeuner | nayth/ ok |
| 02:38.15 | nayth | MrKeuner: an idea of a stable network is this.. round-trip min/avg/max = 28.2/33.5/46.3 ms |
| 02:38.22 | kingsley | wols: Your question prompted me to check the cable. Indeed, I found labels at both ends of it which indicate the I pluged the gateway end of it into the wall jack and vice versa. I'm wondering if the cable is directional. It should be easy enough to reverse. You also asked if ifconfig gets anything in return. Not yet. |
| 02:38.27 | andi5 | candymanm: i cannot remember about linneigborhood, but xmms is imho a gtk1 app, so it should be customizable (maybe ~/.gtkrc) |
| 02:38.59 | wols | kingsley: it is not directional. at least normal cat5 definitely is not |
| 02:39.00 | nayth | MrKeuner: thats mine to google.com |
| 02:39.03 | JDCentral | gah.. how do I mount a multi-mode cd? |
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| 02:39.12 | JDCentral | like.. one with an audio and data section? |
| 02:39.29 | kingsley | tcsetattr: I'll try reversing the cable first. If that doesn't solve the problem, I may be interested pursuing in your thoughts on ARP. |
| 02:39.41 | nayth | JDCentral: i hope thats not for pirating ;o) |
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| 02:40.03 | juanin | would you use sarge on a production router? no firewall, just NAT through iptables, rp-ppoe, HTB for bandwidth control and squid |
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| 02:40.22 | JDCentral | no |
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| 02:40.26 | maher | juanin: no |
| 02:40.27 | JDCentral | it's a Bon Jovi CD. |
| 02:40.37 | JDCentral | I don't want to carry my CDs with me, everywhere. |
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| 02:40.43 | JDCentral | so I rip them as FLACs on my 'puter. |
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| 02:40.53 | JDCentral | and I'm testing out ALSA |
| 02:40.54 | juanin | and a kernel-2.6 backport? |
| 02:41.04 | Justin | JDCentral: if you just try and mount it it should work |
| 02:41.12 | debian | JDCentral: abcde not good enoug? |
| 02:41.16 | kingsley | wols: On second thought, according to the gateway's installation instructions, an "internet" LED on the gateway indicates that the cable is working. |
| 02:41.17 | wols | juanin: NAT is a firewall. it's a toss up: HTB is the only thing you need sarge for |
| 02:41.21 | JDCentral | abcde IS good enough :-) |
| 02:41.24 | Justin | unless you have to add session=xx.... |
| 02:41.26 | JDCentral | I just.. nm.. :-) |
| 02:41.33 | debian | JDCentral: you don't need to mount it. Just xmms /mnt/cdrom |
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| 02:41.52 | andi5 | JDCentral: i am just interested... do these cds have some sort of partitioning scheme? can one fdisk on them? |
| 02:41.57 | MrKeuner | nayth/ I stoppped p2p that was running, also the instant messengers... my ping to google looks stable but its around 100ms avg. this is high I guess for a 1.5Mbit dsl connection? |
| 02:41.57 | debian | JDCentral: provided that 1) you've right entry in /etc/fstab 2) you pluggin the audio cable right |
| 02:42.06 | wols | juanin: definitely not a 2.6 kernel. you want to use 2.4 if anything |
| 02:42.11 | kingsley | wols: How does one tell if a cable is normal "cat5"? |
| 02:42.32 | candymanm | andi5, do u know any mans bout gtkrc? |
| 02:42.36 | juanin | wols: ok, yesit's a firewall.. but 2.6 is not needed for HTB, it comes since 2.4.20 |
| 02:42.38 | nayth | MrKeuner: as long as the difference between the min and average isn't crazy its ok |
| 02:42.44 | wols | kingsley: you buy it as cat5. sometimes it is printed on the cable but not always |
| 02:42.51 | MrKeuner | no it goes 102 104 101 |
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| 02:43.03 | candymanm | andi5, or any other useful info |
| 02:43.07 | JDCentral | gah.. can't find my mixer. |
| 02:43.24 | nayth | MrKeuner: seems ok, although you're right it's a bit high, do a traceroute and watch the times, see where the bottle neck is |
| 02:43.39 | tcsetattr | kingsley, it may be cat5 but the wrong pinout. crossover vs. straight |
| 02:43.40 | debian | JDCentral: it plays directly from CD |
| 02:43.56 | andi5 | candymanm: i think there was some gtk1 theme switcher... dont know its name :) my fonts are too big ;-) but i dont mind |
| 02:43.59 | juanin | anyone used patch-o-matic? |
| 02:44.10 | debian | I only use nick-o-meter |
| 02:44.17 | wols | juanin: but I doubt woody has the requisite versions of tc and the like |
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| 02:44.24 | nayth | my gf's got a vibe-o-meter |
| 02:44.31 | nayth | matic even |
| 02:44.34 | nayth | :o) |
| 02:44.39 | sussudio | nayth: that's entirely your fault. should've been a better boyfriend. |
| 02:44.41 | scout | where's the manuals about /etc/fstab format? |
| 02:44.43 | debian | nayth: you should feel bad about it. :) |
| 02:44.52 | wols | scout: man fstab |
| 02:44.53 | nayth | sussudio: she's into the 2 at once thing |
| 02:44.54 | deadcat | (= |
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| 02:45.03 | kingsley | tcsetattr: "Crossover" is the operative word that I was thinking of. However, I'd be surprised if the gateway's "internet" LED would light up with the cable wrong. |
| 02:45.03 | scout | wols, that' not |
| 02:45.05 | debian | fhffhqvb: right. :) |
| 02:45.09 | juanin | wols: no, but if you download the HTB source it comes with a tc binary :) I've always compiled 2.4 with HTB support using that tc binary |
| 02:45.15 | elshiftos | If I wanted to run a deb box as a no frills, console only ftp server, are there any ftpd's that come with some kind of 'front end' that allows easy monitoring of users, stats, etc? |
| 02:45.15 | andi5 | candymanm: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2002-November/msg00103.html ... dont know whether this might help |
| 02:45.29 | tcsetattr | kingsley, what kind of device are you dealing with? a DSL modem that plugs into your ethernet card via cat5? |
| 02:45.32 | scout | wols, it is, thanks |
| 02:45.33 | candymanm | andi5, jea to big u can read but try to read fontsize 6 in 1600x1200 ;) |
| 02:45.52 | wols | juanin: then why would you want sarge if woody can do everything you want? |
| 02:45.53 | kingsley | wols & tcsetattr: Its jacks look like modular phone jacks. |
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| 02:46.06 | andi5 | candymanm: thats another kind of work ;-) ... my is on 1024x768 :) |
| 02:46.08 | tcsetattr | to determine if a cable is crossover you have to inspect the colors of the wires on the individual pins |
| 02:46.23 | nayth | tcsetattr: or plug it in |
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| 02:46.36 | juanin | wols: h323 support.. in 2.6 it comes bundled, in 2.4 I have to patch it with patch-o-matic, have you ever used it? |
| 02:46.40 | nayth | green and orange pairs are swapped |
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| 02:46.56 | tcsetattr | this is spooky... a few years ago when I didn't know cat5 from a hole in the ground, I came on IRC asking for help and described it as a "giant phone connector". They laughed for months. But the giant phone connector is an RJ-45 plug |
| 02:46.58 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Thanks for asking. Yes. That's exactly it. A DSL gateway that connects to a Linksys enthernet card. |
| 02:47.04 | wols | juanin: no. I only use patch when patching kernels. nevere nneded this p-o-m |
| 02:47.39 | elshiftos | giant ;) |
| 02:47.56 | tcsetattr | the description "cat5" actually refers to the wires inside the cable, not the connectors on the end. |
| 02:48.11 | nayth | o shitsherlock! |
| 02:48.16 | nayth | no shit sherlock! |
| 02:48.18 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Very good. |
| 02:48.19 | tcsetattr | it may be that you need a crossover cable. or maybe not. depends on the DSL modem manufacturer. Did you get this cable with the modem? |
| 02:48.44 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Yes, the cable came with the gateway. |
| 02:49.24 | tcsetattr | ok, then it's possible that they intended the cable to go to a hub, and you plugging it into a NIC won't work. Or vice versa. |
| 02:50.03 | tcsetattr | I'm not sure about the lights coming on with the wrong kind of cable... it's been a while since I made that mistake and I don't remember if the link light comes on or not |
| 02:50.43 | candymanm | andi5, :( didnt help or i did something wronk.. *keep tryink* |
| 02:50.46 | nayth | does anyone know if the nway standart incorporates mdi /mdix sensing ? |
| 02:50.53 | nayth | standard |
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| 02:51.08 | nayth | tcsetattr: no they don't |
| 02:51.18 | elshiftos | a cable that comes with a modem will usually be for connection straight into a NIC |
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| 02:51.24 | nayth | if the pairs are swapped the polarity is reversed |
| 02:51.27 | nayth | and its DC |
| 02:51.34 | nayth | therefore, doesn't work |
| 02:51.37 | fishynet | How can I change the output power of a wireless card using hostap? |
| 02:52.01 | deadcat | fishynet: what card? |
| 02:52.16 | andi5 | candymanm: incorrect syntax or values in this file (if its spelled correctly) should be logged somewhere. maybe .xsession-errors. so maybe this could help |
| 02:52.25 | sharth | I'm wondering why my scroll wheel on my mouse isin't working. I have the ZAxisMapping in the config, and I'm wondering what else I missed... |
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| 02:53.00 | kingsley | Qwest says the cable isn't directional. |
| 02:53.02 | tcsetattr | kingsley, the lights on the DSL modem might be misleading... the link light on your ethernet card is the one to look for. |
| 02:53.03 | fishynet | deadcat: senao |
| 02:53.15 | nayth | iwpriv wlan0 txpower 20 ? |
| 02:53.24 | lightn | how do I do manual partitioning in debain-install, like with fdisk - I don't see fdisk or anything like in at the command prompt |
| 02:53.43 | tcsetattr | lightn, alt-F2, type "fdisk /dev/xxx" ? |
| 02:53.45 | deadcat | lightn: f2 |
| 02:54.05 | andi5 | kingsley: but you cannot use the cable to connect with a hub or with a nic... it can only connect to one. imho. but its not directional :) |
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| 02:54.17 | tcsetattr | sharth, what mouse protocol are you using? |
| 02:54.18 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Good idea. |
| 02:54.23 | sharth | imps/2 |
| 02:54.36 | sharth | and sarge. |
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| 02:54.48 | tcsetattr | well that sounds right. usb mouse? |
| 02:54.52 | sharth | yes. |
| 02:54.53 | deadcat | ya. the debian-install disk partition is cryptic. i like cfdisk with woody installer. |
| 02:55.00 | nayth | wizaraaard dont irc as root |
| 02:55.00 | tcsetattr | for a usb mouse maybe you should try "exps2" |
| 02:55.02 | lightn | yeah, I tried that, '/bin/sh: fdisk: not found' |
| 02:55.11 | deadcat | lightn: cfdisk? |
| 02:55.17 | sharth | exps2??? |
| 02:55.26 | lightn | nope |
| 02:55.32 | sharth | the mouse worked previously with imps/2 |
| 02:55.41 | fishynet | thank you nayth |
| 02:55.42 | tcsetattr | don't listen to me though, I don't have a USB mouse and I hate the scroll-wheel so I'm pleased when it does nothing. |
| 02:55.44 | lightn | unless 20040521 is messed up in regards to that... |
| 02:55.58 | Psyke | how can u hate the scroll wheel? |
| 02:56.02 | nayth | fishynet: cool |
| 02:56.39 | tcsetattr | it sucks. |
| 02:56.40 | elshiftos | maybe he is a mac user too ;) |
| 02:56.42 | nayth | its the best thing since sliced bread |
| 02:56.44 | wols | Psyke: he's just misguided |
| 02:56.49 | nayth | uni-button mouse man |
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| 02:57.14 | abydos | Are there any kernels in apt with jfs backported to the 2.4 series? |
| 02:57.16 | nayth | can click using 4 fingers |
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| 02:57.28 | tcsetattr | we've done this already. But briefly, I like all 3 mouse buttons to be big enough to actually use. The tiny-litt-el-button2-that's-also-a-wheel sucks. You try to press button2 and it does something differnet, something stupid. |
| 02:57.32 | JDCentral | uuuh.. |
| 02:57.39 | nayth | hmm |
| 02:57.45 | JDCentral | so.. I set up ALSA... how do I tell GNOME to use the right mixer? |
| 02:57.47 | JDCentral | and such... |
| 02:57.55 | nayth | im away nite nite |
| 02:58.06 | abydos | I'm either going to use JFS or Reiserfs, but I'm not using JFS if it's not backported. |
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| 02:58.19 | sharth | tcsetattr: didn't work. |
| 02:58.34 | sharth | tcsetattr: whatever you suggested doesn't exist as an available protocal |
| 02:58.46 | wols | abydos: not in official kernels. maybe on some unofficial ones |
| 02:58.47 | andi5 | sharth: stupid question. did you really spelled the zaxiscommand correctly? with all quotes? |
| 02:59.09 | abydos | darn. |
| 02:59.13 | sharth | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 02:59.14 | abydos | looks like reiserfs for me. |
| 02:59.26 | abydos | Oh well, reiser's kickassically fast enough. |
| 02:59.30 | andi5 | sharth: i am sorry :) |
| 02:59.41 | wols | abydos: reiser is good for a / partition. xfs is great for data/network shares |
| 02:59.44 | Justin | tcsetattr: my logitech has a wheel thats also a button, but the wheel is granular enough to be able to click without scrolling |
| 03:00.01 | abydos | wols: I looked at the Filesystem benchmark that made /. a while ago. |
| 03:00.10 | abydos | wols: JFS led most every test. |
| 03:00.11 | tcsetattr | Justin, it's still too small if it's not the same size as button1 and button3. |
| 03:00.17 | abydos | ReiserFS came in mostly second. |
| 03:00.19 | tcsetattr | symmetry is good |
| 03:00.21 | kingsley | tcsetattr: I just had an epiphany, if not a solution. Since I can access the gateway's built in diagnostic web pages at http://192.168.0.1, the cable's OK and http packets are OK. |
| 03:00.26 | abydos | EXT3 sucked severe arse in most tests. |
| 03:00.32 | tcsetattr | kingsley, well that explains a lot :) |
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| 03:00.43 | kingsley | tcsetattr: By the way, I need to go in a few minutes. |
| 03:00.48 | tcsetattr | kingsley, so you can get to 192.168.0.1 but that's not your gateway? |
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| 03:01.01 | candymanm | andi5, no no nom :\ |
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| 03:01.29 | wols | abydos: unless you have a real cornercase you won't notice which fs you have |
| 03:01.43 | abydos | cornercase? |
| 03:01.53 | andi5 | candymanm: each gnome app loads on startup its gtkrc file, so changes should appear just after start :( |
| 03:01.59 | wols | kingsley: check your IPs and hostmasks and such then |
| 03:02.45 | sbetore | Anyone here tried to install Linux on a Casio PA-2400U? |
| 03:03.06 | candymanm | andi5, i gues its need to be in some place that defines X default fontsize or something |
| 03:03.40 | kingsley | tcsetattr: And packets from ping 192.168.0.1 make it to the gateway. But for some reason, packets addressed to another box, don't make it to my gateway. I wonder if I have a routing problem. |
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| 03:03.49 | andi5 | candymanm: hm... cannot image that :(... but if you find something, let me know :) |
| 03:04.17 | tcsetattr | kingsley, how did you get your IP address? with DHCP? |
| 03:04.19 | kingsley | tcsetattr: 192.168.0.1 is the LAN/ethernet/local side's address of the gateway. |
| 03:04.39 | tcsetattr | so 192.168.0.1 is your default gateway... |
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| 03:05.26 | kingsley | wols: I like your suggestion of checking my IPs and hostmasks, and since I'm a newbie at routing, am wondering if there's some diagnostic software that makes it easy and fun. |
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| 03:05.34 | candymanm | andi5, ok |
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| 03:05.54 | srgoh | should lilo work on /dev/hdb? |
| 03:05.56 | tcsetattr | kingsley, is "traceroute -n out.side.ip.addr" fun enough? |
| 03:06.08 | kingsley | tcsetattr: The gateway is shipped with its LAN/local/ethernet IP address fixed to 192.168.0.1. |
| 03:06.13 | lightn | hmm, 20040521 is missing fdisk, I see it in beta4 |
| 03:06.18 | andi5 | srgoh: imho yes |
| 03:06.23 | wols | kingsley: I don't know of any. just make sure that all clients are in the same subnet 192.168.0.0/24 and everyone has the same gateway |
| 03:06.27 | YeTr2 | i need help removing unneccessary locales, they are keeping my upgrade from compeleting properly |
| 03:06.39 | srgoh | andi5: why do i get L 01 01 01 01... then? |
| 03:06.42 | tcsetattr | kingsley, I'm not asking for the configuration on the DSL modem. I'm asking about the configuration of your Linux box! Please... |
| 03:06.43 | andi5 | srgoh: but you need some way to boot it |
| 03:06.47 | YeTr2 | LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab3' value does not match `country_num' value |
| 03:07.15 | andi5 | srgoh: why dont you install it in the mbr of hda? |
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| 03:07.42 | wols | YeTr2: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 03:07.48 | srgoh | andi5: i don't trust it to not fuck up my windows partition and leave me with a non-working computer |
| 03:07.56 | Justin | kingsley: what does route actually say? |
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| 03:08.10 | kingsley | tcsetattr: The IP address of the NIC on my box is 192.168.0.3. |
| 03:08.10 | tcsetattr | srgoh, it would be much smarter for you to worry about windoze fucking up your linux partition. |
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| 03:08.17 | tcsetattr | that's how it usually goes. |
| 03:08.22 | YeTr2 | sh: line 1: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 03:08.27 | Omega11 | debian linux sucks i use linux from scratch |
| 03:08.32 | andi5 | srgoh: simply and the according parameters to boot the windows partitions.. its all in the docs and tested by millions :) thats my ho. or check grub :) |
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| 03:08.33 | srgoh | tcsetattr: considering my linux partion doesn't work, thats not much a concern at the moment |
| 03:08.37 | YeTr2 | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:08.39 | YeTr2 | ackk |
| 03:08.39 | kingsley | Justin: Thanks for asking. I'll show you in #paste. |
| 03:09.00 | YeTr2 | locales is broken or not fully installed < from dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:09.11 | srgoh | andi5: is grub an option in the current debian stable install? |
| 03:09.14 | tcsetattr | kingsley, and the gateway is 192.168.0.1? |
| 03:09.26 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Yes. |
| 03:09.28 | Omega11 | shit |
| 03:09.28 | wols | YeTr2: edit /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen afterwards |
| 03:09.29 | Omega11 | piss |
| 03:09.30 | Omega11 | fuck |
| 03:09.31 | Omega11 | cunt |
| 03:09.32 | andi5 | srgoh: grub is package in stabe, yes |
| 03:09.33 | Omega11 | cocksucker |
| 03:09.35 | Omega11 | motherfucker |
| 03:09.35 | Omega11 | and |
| 03:09.36 | Omega11 | tits |
| 03:09.43 | Omega11 | oops |
| 03:09.44 | srgoh | andi5: can it be setup from the installer though? |
| 03:09.45 | Omega11 | sorry |
| 03:09.46 | tcsetattr | kingsley, how about a traceroute -n 64.233.167.104 |
| 03:09.49 | wols | !comfort Omega11 |
| 03:09.49 | dpkg | There, there, Omega11. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:09.50 | cafuego | Omega11: feel free to be somewhere else |
| 03:10.02 | andi5 | srgoh: you can do it afterwards |
| 03:10.06 | MrKeuner | nayth/ excuse me querying but it doesn't look odd right? |
| 03:10.06 | andi5 | srgoh: before you reboot |
| 03:10.07 | wols | cafuego: he's just a poor attention starved kid |
| 03:10.13 | srgoh | andi5: i can't boot to linux sot hat isn't an option |
| 03:10.13 | Boomer | wow, I don't want to be at Omega's place right now |
| 03:10.27 | sbetore | Omega11: You know the dirty seven. I'm impressed. |
| 03:10.38 | dan2 | where is the documentation on linux capabilities? |
| 03:10.42 | andi5 | srgoh: just install debian... you will have it running afterwards.. then configure grub and reboot |
| 03:10.51 | sbetore | Omega11: You even got them in the right order. |
| 03:10.51 | wols | YeTr2: remove all entries from /etc/locale.gen, then run locale-gen |
| 03:11.09 | srgoh | andi5: i got to the end of the install and it had me reboot, no option to do anything else |
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| 03:11.17 | mame | do I have to do my own compile to avoid the default of cetentered windows? apparently it seems that every app is centereing itself across my two screens - or is there a default i'm forgetting somewhere ? |
| 03:11.27 | wols | sbetore: troll-school is doing their best nowadays to create quality trolls |
| 03:11.34 | srgoh | andi5: then i stared at LILO type 01 repeatedly |
| 03:11.36 | kingsley | tcsetattr: traceroute works OK for 14 hops. |
| 03:11.49 | cafuego | mame: depends on your window manager, some you can tell where to pop windows by default |
| 03:11.52 | sbetore | wols: He was quoting Dennis Leary. |
| 03:11.53 | andi5 | srgoh: i am sorry... my last cd install was too long ago :) no option to start the system? |
| 03:11.55 | wols | sbetore: boot from cd with rescue root=/dev/hdXX |
| 03:12.10 | tcsetattr | works OK for 14 hops? that's enough hops to get halfway around the world. What was your complaint again? |
| 03:12.10 | sbetore | wols: The Seven Words You Can't Say On Television |
| 03:12.12 | mame | cafuego: i use kde and gnome |
| 03:12.21 | srgoh | andi5: not that i saw... i'd have to run through the install again to check though |
| 03:12.34 | sbetore | wols: But I'm so comfy in my bed - I don't want to get up and get my Knoppix CD... |
| 03:12.34 | wols | wrong nick. I meant srgoh |
| 03:12.45 | tcsetattr | 'Denis Leary' only has 1 'n' and George Carlin originated the 7 dirty words! |
| 03:12.55 | wols | sbetore: you sir need another nick so my nick complete doesn't get confused :O |
| 03:13.00 | wols | :P |
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| 03:13.12 | Psyke | i just got my wireless mouse working... but the scroll isn't working any suggestions? |
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| 03:13.18 | andi5 | wols: but is there a way to install and start without reboot? |
| 03:13.24 | srgoh | wols: what will that give me? |
| 03:13.33 | sbetore | wols: I'm actually toresbe formerly known as ToreSB. I'm banevading :O |
| 03:13.35 | sbetore | :P* |
| 03:13.39 | YeTr2 | wols: thanks... now i can finish this damn upgrade |
| 03:13.45 | Boomer | Psyke: have you looked at ZAxisMapping in XF86Config-4? |
| 03:13.52 | wols | sbetore: you will get to be in linux and can configure your linux bootloader |
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| 03:14.01 | Omega11 | what is debian |
| 03:14.06 | andi5 | srgoh: it will boot the installed linux without the need of reinstall |
| 03:14.07 | Omega11 | what is linux |
| 03:14.12 | wols | of course you might need to edit your boot.ini from windows to boot into lilo |
| 03:14.17 | sbetore | wols: Really? thank you. |
| 03:14.25 | holycow | http://people.fluidsignal.com/~luferbu/misc/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html <-- oh man, i had no idea linux had such a flair for flaming ... heh |
| 03:14.27 | wols | all in all a crappy solution imho, but that's what you apparently want |
| 03:14.32 | mame | Omega11: more interesting who is debian |
| 03:14.34 | holycow | linus even |
| 03:14.35 | srgoh | hmm... ill give it a try |
| 03:14.45 | andi5 | srgoh: afterwards give grub a try :) |
| 03:14.56 | wols | srgoh: google for how to start linux from the NT bootloader |
| 03:14.57 | debian | mame: me! :) |
| 03:15.02 | Boomer | mame: technically, who are debian? |
| 03:15.04 | srgoh | is /dev/hdXX supposed to be the device, /, or /boot partition? |
| 03:15.11 | wols | andi5: he shouldn't do that afterwards but right now! |
| 03:15.20 | holycow | technically, we are debian :0 |
| 03:15.21 | debian | !tell Omega11 about debian |
| 03:15.21 | wols | srgoh: your root filesystem, yes |
| 03:15.22 | holycow | :D |
| 03:15.24 | sbetore | holycow: Linus said it was his first and last flame |
| 03:15.24 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.24 | cafuego | !tell Omega11 -about what is debian |
| 03:15.25 | andi5 | wols: hm. he has no linux running currently |
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| 03:15.43 | mame | debian: really? |
| 03:15.52 | sbetore | !tell omega11 that he's a huge idiot |
| 03:15.55 | holycow | sbetore, hehe really? *nod* he seems cool was refreshing to read |
| 03:16.11 | srgoh | alright... ill see if i get anywhere with that, thanks all |
| 03:16.12 | wols | andi5: that's why he should use his debian install CD to boot into it. I do it all the time when I have to reinstall grub since windows install overwrote the MBR again |
| 03:16.17 | debian | !tell sbetore he's a meaner newbie flamer. :) |
| 03:16.33 | sbetore | debian: He was a troll, not a newb. |
| 03:16.42 | andi5 | wols: hm... i installed grub on floppy... i just insert it :) |
| 03:16.53 | wols | andi5: floppy? wazdat? |
| 03:16.59 | MarcoPau | I have uindoze and debian in my hard drive: will uindoze correctly boot if I remove debian? |
| 03:17.06 | andi5 | wols: setup (fd0) |
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| 03:17.13 | debian | sbetore: (/lastlog Omega11) I see! damn troll... |
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| 03:17.24 | andi5 | wols: you dont have one? ;-) |
| 03:17.53 | wols | MarcoPau: depends on your current bootloader. if it doesn't work, you can boot windows from CD,go in the recovery console and run "fixmbr". that will fix it |
| 03:18.17 | debian | Caveman-: you must have a great dream. :) Take your '-' back. :P |
| 03:18.18 | sbetore | andi5: "Mine is never floppy" :P |
| 03:18.21 | wols | andi5: since I don't know how many years. probably as soon as I bought my first burner (4x scsi) |
| 03:18.29 | andi5 | minf? |
| 03:18.41 | MarcoPau | I have uindoze and debian in my hard drive: will uindoze correctly boot if I remove debian? |
| 03:18.42 | MarcoPau | if you guys read me, I apology for the copies of the lines |
| 03:18.56 | Boomer | MarcoPau: in addition to what wols said, if you're running a non NT windows (95,98,ME), boot the cd and run fdisk /mbr |
| 03:19.09 | debian | !dict uindoze |
| 03:19.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for uindoze |
| 03:19.21 | sbetore | !dict dictionary |
| 03:19.21 | andi5 | wols: i love disks somehow... i am anxious about my cdrom drives to die just about the next minute :) |
| 03:19.23 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dictionary' (1 shown; 3 total): Dictionary \Dic"tion*a*ry\, n.; pl. Dictionaries. [Cf. F. dictionnaire. See Diction.] 1. A book containing the words of a language, arranged alphabetically, with explanations of their meanings; a lexicon; a vocabulary; a wordbook.. |
| 03:19.23 | wols | debian: correct spelling helps :P |
| 03:19.25 | MarcoPau | Boomer: yes, it's non nt |
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| 03:19.38 | MarcoPau | anyway, Boomer and wols, thanks a lot |
| 03:19.39 | sbetore | !dict dictatorship |
| 03:19.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dictatorship' a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.) |
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| 03:19.46 | wols | andi5: I am much more anxious about floppy drives... |
| 03:19.49 | sbetore | ^_^ |
| 03:19.57 | andi5 | wols: i love usb sticks :) |
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| 03:20.05 | wols | andi5: expensive |
| 03:20.12 | sbetore | wols: Worth it. |
| 03:20.17 | wols | CD are cheap and you can throw them away if needed |
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| 03:20.28 | wols | but not as a main storage medium |
| 03:20.29 | andi5 | wols: but if you have one... and dont need to carry 5 tb with you all day :) |
| 03:20.39 | debian | wols: no, they're highly toxic. :) |
| 03:20.44 | Boomer | wols: only problem is some older CDROM drives won't read CDRW disks |
| 03:20.54 | sbetore | wols: No, that's fairly bad for the environment. |
| 03:21.14 | YeTr2 | debian, if they are highly toxic, then i guess aol wants the envrioment to go to hell? |
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| 03:21.31 | maher | YeTr2: probably |
| 03:21.35 | dan2 | debian: isn't solaris rock solid? |
| 03:21.36 | wols | really? the organic stuff on CD-R decomposes under sunlight. the polycarbonate could be recycled yes, but that's all, no? |
| 03:21.36 | andi5 | wols: exactly... listen to nature... |
| 03:21.37 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:22.03 | debian | dan2: yeah, when it's filled with ceramic. :) |
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| 03:22.18 | sbetore | dan2: It's rock solid as in not going anywhere, very heavy. |
| 03:22.25 | debian | YeTr2: yeah, we should sue AOL for distributing toxic to people. :) |
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| 03:22.27 | andi5 | debian: or concrete |
| 03:22.32 | mame | anyone know of a tool to control window location startup behavior for light weight window managers? |
| 03:22.46 | jj00_il | can someone help me with X? |
| 03:22.47 | debian | andi5: or molten lead. :) |
| 03:22.48 | wols | debian: aol CDs are pressed. only polycarbonate and Aluminimium |
| 03:22.52 | Justin | mame: use a window manger that doesn't suck? |
| 03:22.58 | wols | not the toxix organic metallic compound of CD-R |
| 03:23.14 | mame | Justin: windows are subhuman |
| 03:23.25 | Boomer | jj00_il: what's your question? |
| 03:23.27 | debian | wols: so they dont' get sued. :) |
| 03:23.41 | jj00_il | i cant start x, i get error saying no screens found |
| 03:23.54 | Justin | !tell jj00_il about X problem |
| 03:23.56 | maher | !tell jj00_il about set up X |
| 03:24.12 | andi5 | mame: man 7 X and look for geometry |
| 03:24.20 | mame | andi5: ok |
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| 03:25.43 | andi5 | mame: btw... light window manager :) check kahakai :) |
| 03:25.50 | OctalTHOR | GRAHAAHLKASDHFALK. |
| 03:26.12 | OctalTHOR | Lucent = t3h suck. Linksys = t3h suck. |
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| 03:27.10 | zeenix | hello |
| 03:27.14 | dan2 | debian: does it have some live download/install utilities? |
| 03:27.33 | mame | andi5: is it really good? i've tried it without any success a while ago |
| 03:27.37 | Amarande | yah, my linksys router has been junk lately |
| 03:27.48 | Amarande | i cant even use static local IPs anymore, it's stopped letting them route out over the net |
| 03:27.49 | andi5 | mame: what do you want to achieve? |
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| 03:28.06 | Amarande | maybe i should get a cisco, but none of the good reasonably priced cisco routers do wireless |
| 03:28.09 | mame | andi5: better computing |
| 03:28.12 | wols | Amarande: that's why you use an old PC with debian as the router |
| 03:28.19 | Amarande | so then i'd have to run a wire all the way downstairs for mom's pc |
| 03:28.27 | Amarande | wols: you can set up a PC to be a wireless access point too? |
| 03:28.29 | andi5 | mame: lol :) and ... what would be the first step towards your goal? |
| 03:28.33 | zeenix | is there a known problem with xlibs-dev package? |
| 03:28.51 | mame | andi5: beating the Turing test |
| 03:28.57 | andi5 | mame: ah |
| 03:29.02 | wols | Amarande: yes. prism chipsets can act as AP under linux |
| 03:29.05 | andi5 | mame: look for #turing ;-) |
| 03:29.16 | mame | andi5: i'm assuming you're a bot |
| 03:29.29 | debian | dan2: Solaris? |
| 03:29.34 | dan2 | debian: yes |
| 03:29.41 | zeenix | i just pasted the error i get from 'apt-get install xlibs-dev' on #flood |
| 03:30.05 | debian | dan2: you got better and objective comment on solaris in #solaris. :) |
| 03:30.46 | wols | zeenix: which version of debian? |
| 03:31.25 | zeenix | wols: sid |
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| 03:33.30 | mame | andi5: stay tuned for rms on sf.net, i'll be proposing a project within th next weeks ;-) |
| 03:33.50 | StrykerUnit | how do i run taskel after i installed? |
| 03:33.58 | maher | StrykerUnit: type tasksel? |
| 03:34.13 | andi5 | mame: looked for kahakai? |
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| 03:35.30 | mame | andi5: is it still a bitch to compile and work? |
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| 03:36.14 | programmer90 | Hey im having a funny problem, i cant rememember what would make this happen i cant login to GNOME in any user except root on all the other users it just flashes back to the GDM |
| 03:36.22 | andi5 | mame: there is a debian package up and running :) |
| 03:36.31 | maher | programmer90: look in the gdm log |
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| 03:37.24 | programmer90 | -]47 |
| 03:37.47 | StrykerUnit | anyone here used tasksel? |
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| 03:38.43 | wols | StrykerUnit: not if we can avoid it |
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| 03:40.49 | nitronic | how can i create a useraccount with no password, but still have an enabled login? |
| 03:41.19 | maher | nitronic: do you really want to do that? maybe you want auto login |
| 03:41.28 | nitronic | maher - autologin, sure |
| 03:41.30 | ghlk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.56 | maher | nitronic: google debian autologin |
| 03:42.01 | ghlk | i got debian running and it completed the install |
| 03:42.06 | nitronic | got it thanks |
| 03:42.12 | maher | ghlk: congratulations |
| 03:42.15 | ghlk | so what do i have to do with grub now? the manpages aren't very helpful |
| 03:42.19 | carbon60 | Anyone know which mirror is closes to Rogers Communication's? |
| 03:42.36 | mame | beb |
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| 03:42.51 | maher | ghlk: install grub-doc |
| 03:42.58 | wols | ghlk: running grub-install |
| 03:43.05 | ghlk | maher: will |
| 03:43.08 | wols | and install grub-doc, yes. it gives you a nice html manual |
| 03:43.10 | ghlk | maher: will do that is |
| 03:43.20 | ardy | weird KDE issue: Does anyone know why find files hangs? |
| 03:43.36 | carbon60 | beb? |
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| 03:43.59 | lukewarm | carbon60: apt-cache show netselect-apt |
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| 03:44.24 | carbon60 | lukewarm: Bleh, netselect gives bogus results. It only counts latency. |
| 03:44.43 | carbon60 | Tells me ftp.br.debian.org os fastest, at 50KBps. :-( |
| 03:44.54 | maher | carbon60: just pick one at random - ftp.us.debian.org is usually ok |
| 03:44.55 | lukewarm | ::shrug:: it worked nicely for me, could just be coincidence |
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| 03:45.10 | carbon60 | maher: On Rogers? |
| 03:45.18 | carbon60 | lukewarm: What did it tell you? |
| 03:45.22 | ghlk | grub is probing some bios stuff |
| 03:45.32 | maher | carbon60: dunno - just try and see |
| 03:45.44 | carbon60 | I did. |
| 03:45.47 | abydos | hm, should I run snort on my router? |
| 03:45.50 | ghlk | and grub-doc isn't on my cds, so ill have to grab that off of a http apt source later |
| 03:45.56 | carbon60 | Grumble. |
| 03:46.27 | ghlk | i also keep getting these annoying "end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0" errors |
| 03:46.29 | abydos | I have a rather dinky LAN, and theoretically, blocking all .exe files with an http proxy to a certain machine would prevent lots of spyware from getting through. |
| 03:46.31 | ghlk | nany ideas? |
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| 03:46.48 | maher | ghlk: probably a dodgy floppy/floppy drive |
| 03:46.50 | abydos | or better yet, all binary executables to that machine. |
| 03:47.05 | ghlk | maher: well, i don't have a floppy installed |
| 03:47.16 | abydos | ehh, that seems like it'd be tough. |
| 03:47.34 | maher | ghlk: ignore the errors then... |
| 03:47.36 | Justin | ghlk: grub has an option just for you then. |
| 03:47.52 | ghlk | maher: they keep poping up on teh screen and messing with everything |
| 03:47.55 | Prime | Your system does not have the sprintf/vsprintf libraries. <- what package do these libs come in ? |
| 03:48.05 | ghlk | maher: makes bitchx look very strange |
| 03:48.09 | ardy | Does anyone know why kde's find files hangs? |
| 03:48.27 | wols | Prime: libc6-dev |
| 03:49.00 | ghlk | is there something i syslog i can set to throw them to a file or /dev/null? |
| 03:49.04 | maher | ghlk: umm - there's some way of getting the logs sent to a different console - but running the irc client on a different console will probably work too |
| 03:49.34 | ghlk | maher: i have 2 consoles running, i think they are just being sent to the active console somehow |
| 03:49.43 | Justin | abydos: blocking just .exe files won't do much |
| 03:49.47 | Prime | (Justin) ghlk: grub has an option just for you then. |
| 03:49.48 | Prime | (05:52:45) (ghlk) maher: they keep poping up on teh screen and messing with everything |
| 03:49.50 | Prime | (05:52:48) (Prime) Your system does not have the sprintf/vsprintf libraries. <- what package do these libs come in ? |
| 03:49.51 | Prime | (05:52:59) (ghlk) maher: makes bitchx look very strange |
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| 03:49.57 | abydos | Justin: Why not? |
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| 03:50.10 | Prime | damn spam :( |
| 03:50.19 | Justin | because most spyware comes in via activeX crap |
| 03:50.23 | Prime | wols i already have that package installed ? |
| 03:50.24 | abydos | Justin: All I want to do is protect my parent's stupid arse from spyware when she insists on using IE. |
| 03:50.32 | abydos | Ah, so it would be simpler to get her using Linux. |
| 03:50.40 | Justin | abydos: make the IE icon open mozilla with the IE skin |
| 03:50.42 | wols | sprintf is ansi C so every libc should have it |
| 03:50.46 | Justin | problem solved |
| 03:50.52 | abydos | Her computer won't run Mozilla. |
| 03:50.56 | holycow | heh justin |
| 03:50.59 | abydos | It will run Firefox, and that's about it. |
| 03:51.02 | wols | abydos: use ffox then |
| 03:51.11 | holycow | i have actually done that on about half dozen public machines at hotels and such |
| 03:51.14 | abydos | She's been doing that lately. |
| 03:51.24 | Prime | wols boy , what do i do then ? :S |
| 03:51.24 | abydos | holycow: you 3vil 0ne, you. |
| 03:51.30 | holycow | you sit back and watch the user not even notice the dif :) |
| 03:51.33 | KarlosII | err tyhat dang router bug in ff and mozilla |
| 03:51.43 | holycow | thanksa abydos |
| 03:51.44 | ghlk | hmm.. maybe it was just something grub was messing around with |
| 03:51.45 | wols | abydos: just don't install stuff like the google toolbar on IE: make it hard for them to use IE. they will switch :) |
| 03:51.47 | holycow | thankya even :) |
| 03:51.48 | KarlosII | heya holycow |
| 03:51.54 | holycow | hola :) |
| 03:52.03 | abydos | She managed to install the google toolbar anyway. |
| 03:52.05 | ghlk | im going to see if this damn thing boots now... brb |
| 03:52.05 | abydos | Surprisingly. |
| 03:52.15 | KarlosII | abydos, seriously wow |
| 03:52.18 | wols | abydos: unset the popup blocking then |
| 03:52.22 | abydos | I want her to use Linux, but her P200-64mb RAM won't run Knoppix. |
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| 03:52.29 | abydos | wols: That would be evil of me. |
| 03:52.34 | abydos | I won't sink that low. |
| 03:52.35 | holycow | if you install firefox you can tell them google toolbar is the thingy in the top right |
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| 03:52.38 | holycow | the usually fall for that :) |
| 03:52.39 | holycow | hehe |
| 03:52.40 | abydos | She's using Firefox, and I'm happy her. |
| 03:52.48 | sbetore | I'm happy her too. |
| 03:52.50 | KarlosII | abydos, uh I run linux on my amd K6-300 unfortuantely that's a little more powerful |
| 03:52.54 | abydos | holycow: Or you can install the google toolbar for Firefox, which is more useful. |
| 03:53.04 | holycow | lol abydos :) |
| 03:53.04 | abydos | KarlosII: And probably has a smidgen-bit more RAM. |
| 03:53.07 | wols | KarlosII: the CPU is not the problem there. the RAM is |
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| 03:53.13 | KarlosII | 192 :) |
| 03:53.20 | abydos | 64mb of RAM and insists on running Windows 2000. |
| 03:53.44 | abydos | It's not that bad, if you avoid the flash-containing sites. |
| 03:53.53 | wols | abydos: no 128MB ram stick to be found? |
| 03:53.58 | KarlosII | actually Windows 2003 runs nicely on a pentium 200 512KB cache pro server :) |
| 03:53.59 | abydos | Negative. |
| 03:54.12 | deadcat | abydos: with 64ram on my laptop. i can run fluxbox, but currently sticking on console cus just got bootsplash working hehe (= |
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| 03:54.37 | KarlosII | abydos: ever here of menuetto |
| 03:54.41 | dippo | anyone here use ndiswrapper? |
| 03:54.44 | KarlosII | :) |
| 03:54.53 | abydos | KarlosII: Yeah, I've heard of MenuetOS. |
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| 03:54.54 | KarlosII | a whole linux os on a floppy :) |
| 03:54.56 | abydos | She won't use it. |
| 03:55.00 | KarlosII | hehe |
| 03:55.07 | KarlosII | it was just a joking thought |
| 03:55.08 | dippo | I've just got it working with an intel 2200, but i can't set anything with iwconfig, and i've tried the suggestions in the FAQ |
| 03:55.19 | holycow | anyone here run gnome 2.6 on sarge? just curious... i dont feel like running experimental again |
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| 03:55.49 | abydos | Gnome2.6 is utter dog droppings. |
| 03:55.57 | abydos | Take it from a Gentoo user, it blows. |
| 03:56.05 | KarlosII | holycow, heh I'm waiting for this political nightmare to end and for sarge to go to stable....so I'm not about to try until the dust settles |
| 03:56.21 | abydos | Why isn't sarge stable by now? |
| 03:56.25 | holycow | i used it for a while on experimental, i liked it. watcha not likin abydos? |
| 03:56.27 | abydos | Hasn't it been around a couple years? |
| 03:56.34 | KarlosII | abydos, debian politics |
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| 03:56.51 | KarlosII | whcih btw has delayed it's release quite possibly to next year |
| 03:56.54 | holycow | KarlosII, *nod* well i dont mind reinstalling :) |
| 03:57.05 | KarlosII | holy I just finsihed |
| 03:57.06 | abydos | holycow: Its login manager is crappy, about the only good thing is the newer fileselector. |
| 03:57.07 | holycow | its dead simple with d-i, just tape your enter key down :) |
| 03:57.07 | wols | cause debian always takes 2 years or more from one stable version to the next. woody came out june 2002 or so |
| 03:57.27 | dot__vpr | I have some very weird stuff happening. When I try to start like any application in KDE they trie to start up for a few seconds and then are killed off. This started happening after I installed 2.6.5 (was 2.4.5 before) |
| 03:57.32 | holycow | abydos, i'm not flaming, just curious in what way? perhaps i missed something during the brief installfest? |
| 03:57.50 | KarlosII | wols, sarge was gonna be release this summer but because of the social contract it's being delayed possibly |
| 03:57.52 | abydos | holycow: I just find it to be more of a bloated memory hog. |
| 03:58.00 | holycow | ah *nod* |
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| 03:58.09 | abydos | God, hasn't sarge been delayed over a year and a half already> |
| 03:58.24 | abydos | What takes you people so long with release cycles? |
| 03:58.31 | KarlosII | abydos, yes we need to get more active in the debian community and put an end to this |
| 03:58.35 | KarlosII | I wouldn't have a problem with the social contract, if they would employ it _after_ releasing sarge - because woody is really ancient by now (it won't boot on lot of new machines...)it's just too late in the release schedule to do these, purely politically motivated, changes right now. if I remember correctly, the original plan was to release sarge in 01/2004. |
| 03:58.35 | maher | abydos: the developers are just lazy |
| 03:58.38 | holycow | abydos, well yes, but its still available, its not like ms holding back longhorn or anything :) |
| 03:58.39 | wols | KarlosII: after woody was I released, there was talk to have a releasable distro always, so to not have such excessive freezes like with woody... |
| 03:58.59 | ardy | wols: hi... |
| 03:59.00 | KarlosII | heh |
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| 03:59.09 | FieldySnuts | !wang asg |
| 03:59.11 | maher | KarlosII: it looks like they will delay the changes till after sarge - they will have another gr |
| 03:59.25 | abydos | What is this social contract that's going on? |
| 03:59.26 | FieldySnuts | !blaireau asg |
| 03:59.28 | dpkg | asg: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 03:59.31 | KarlosII | maher, do you got a reliable source for that info? |
| 03:59.46 | maher | KarlosII: Manoj is organizing a vote |
| 03:59.55 | KarlosII | maher where can I vote? |
| 04:00.00 | KarlosII | how can i vote? |
| 04:00.03 | maher | KarlosII: are you a dd? |
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| 04:00.07 | wols | !tell abydos about social contract |
| 04:00.20 | KarlosII | dd ?umm proly not cause i don't know what that is |
| 04:00.27 | sbetore | !dict stump |
| 04:00.30 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stump' (2 shown; 27 total): the part of a limb or tooth that remains after the rest is removed ;; To go on the stump, or To take the stump, to engage in making public addresses for electioneering purposes; -- a phrase derived from the practice of using a stump for a speaker's platform in newly-settled districts. Hence also the phrases stump orator, stump speaker, stump speech, stump oratory, etc. [Colloq. U.S.]. |
| 04:00.38 | wols | KarlosII: debian developer |
| 04:00.45 | kingsley | wols: I figured out my networking problem. I needed to use a rather arcane incarnation of the route command to make the default path through a gateway. |
| 04:00.47 | maher | wols: believe it or not things are in much better shape than for woody... |
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| 04:00.55 | KarlosII | nope....I just write documentation for Kanotix which is based on debian sid |
| 04:01.30 | wols | maher: I believe it since I run sarge for quite a while now. but this "more frequent releases" thing just hasn't materialized, no matter what eveybody said |
| 04:01.33 | abydos | So what does this have to do with the release of Sarge? |
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| 04:01.45 | KarlosII | er umm |
| 04:02.06 | KarlosII | abydos, http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Anthony+Towns%22+%22Social+Contract%22+Sarge&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=1P6nW-4CL-19%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=4 |
| 04:02.11 | abydos | I rather fail to see. |
| 04:02.12 | wols | KarlosII: rather arcane? for setting a default gateway? why? |
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| 04:02.23 | ghlk | GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB |
| 04:02.27 | KarlosII | wols huh? |
| 04:02.32 | maher | wols: things always take longer than people expect... |
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| 04:02.37 | ghlk | no luck |
| 04:02.45 | wols | KarlosII: wrong nick complete as usual. meant kingsley |
| 04:02.51 | KarlosII | wols okie :) |
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| 04:02.59 | pumpitup | ok i get this error at boot : kernel panic unable to mount root fs on hda5.........what should i do |
| 04:03.01 | mame | anyone knows what can cause this? i killed an X session with su over ssh after my keyboard and mouse froze. Now my screen #2 can only be seen with ctrl+alt+f1.. and my left screen on ctrl-alt-f7, weird! |
| 04:03.03 | wols | ghlk: what did grub-instal /dev/hda say? |
| 04:03.09 | ghlk | and booting from the rescue cd now results in a bunch of "modprobe: can't find shit" errors |
| 04:03.21 | ghlk | wols: i installed it to hdb |
| 04:03.30 | KarlosII | pumpitup that's rather a generic question |
| 04:03.34 | ghlk | wols: it installed fine, but didn't boot |
| 04:03.34 | mame | funny that i can see windows on screen2 but my pointer can't get there .. |
| 04:03.36 | tcsetattr | kingsley, debian will install the default route if you specify the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces. did you do that? |
| 04:03.52 | wols | and you configured your menu.lst? |
| 04:04.07 | abydos | ohmigod. |
| 04:04.08 | ghlk | wols: just went with whatever it gave me by default |
| 04:04.12 | abydos | Jeeze. |
| 04:04.20 | abydos | KarlosII: That's fscking horrible. |
| 04:04.23 | pumpitup | KarlosII : well what could it be |
| 04:04.32 | wols | ghlk: run update-grub |
| 04:04.45 | ghlk | wols: what will that od |
| 04:04.47 | kingsley | wols: Perhaps arcanity, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Here it is: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:04.49 | ghlk | do |
| 04:04.51 | KarlosII | pumpitup lotsa things |
| 04:05.09 | kingsley | tcsetattr: No. |
| 04:05.13 | KarlosII | abydos now you know what this social contract has to with everything? |
| 04:05.17 | abydos | KarlosII: That's one of the most evil things that they could've done short of selling out to Chairman Bill. |
| 04:05.19 | abydos | Yes. |
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| 04:05.27 | wols | ghlk: it will look for your installed kernels and add them all to menu.lst |
| 04:05.29 | abydos | That flat-out sucks. |
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| 04:05.30 | kingsley | tcsetattr: Which part of "debian" installs the default route? |
| 04:05.40 | abydos | Why'd they ratify it if it sucked that badly? |
| 04:05.42 | KarlosII | abydos I know it was a big error that was meant for to be good |
| 04:05.45 | ghlk | wols: and then? |
| 04:05.48 | wols | tho it more sounds like grub couldn't find stage2 in /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 04:05.50 | ramanujan | hm, this is oftopic, but does anyone here know the function of a memory stick adapter? |
| 04:05.55 | tcsetattr | kingsley, ifup |
| 04:06.01 | KarlosII | abydos I like the idea |
| 04:06.07 | KarlosII | but the implementation sucks |
| 04:06.16 | Amarande | ramanujan: i believe it's used so you can read memory sticks from things like digital cameras and such |
| 04:06.24 | Amarande | without having to have drivers for the camera itself |
| 04:06.30 | Amarande | since the sticks are more standardized than the cams |
| 04:06.42 | maher | abydos: its not a big deal - some stuff will get pushed to non-free is all |
| 04:06.44 | abydos | KarlosII: The idea is great, but the execution and implementation could have been better accomplished by a herd of pen-wielding orangutans. |
| 04:06.49 | wols | kingsley: put it in /etc/network/interfaces and it will be done automaticaly |
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| 04:06.57 | KarlosII | abydos heh |
| 04:07.13 | sussudio | abydos: baboons. |
| 04:07.45 | abydos | sussudio: erm. |
| 04:07.53 | abydos | sussudio: Do you argue for the sake of arguing? |
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| 04:08.07 | abydos | sussudio: Orangutans works quite fine there, no modification needed. |
| 04:08.12 | ghlk | well, guess ill try again |
| 04:08.27 | KarlosII | sussudio heh |
| 04:08.43 | kingsley | tcsetattr & wols: Thanks for trying to save me some time. I may start using /etc/network/interfaces at some point. I haven't switched from /etc/init.d/network yet, so I may just put the route command in there. |
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| 04:09.04 | wols | kingsley: how can you use debian without /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:09.04 | iTrip | Hi |
| 04:09.29 | tcsetattr | every debian box has /etc/network/interfaces. it's not an optional extra package. It's mandatory! |
| 04:09.31 | sussudio | wols: maybe he's running slink. |
| 04:09.52 | kingsley | wols: My understanding is that /etc/init.d/network works like it. |
| 04:09.54 | wols | tcsetattr: that's why I was asking |
| 04:09.56 | abydos | sussudio: Maybe he's your mom. |
| 04:10.00 | iTrip | I am new to debian... I just installed it... whenever I boot, it runs 'dosfsck' which obviously takes a long time... I looked in rc*.d but didn't find anything that could be running it... where else should I look? |
| 04:10.00 | maher | tcsetattr: boxes that had slink will still have the older one afaik |
| 04:10.06 | abydos | sussudio: Jest intended. |
| 04:10.17 | wols | kingsley: there is not /etc/init.d/network in current debian. period |
| 04:10.23 | kingsley | sussudio: I'm running old code, new code, red code, blue code. |
| 04:10.30 | wols | there is /etc/init.d/networking which gets its settings from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:10.45 | abydos | Well. |
| 04:10.49 | wols | kingsley: just a tip then: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:11.10 | abydos | On Gentoo, network links are stored as /etc/init.d/net.ethX |
| 04:11.36 | abydos | not that there's any perfect way to do it. |
| 04:11.43 | abydos | But that's just the gentoo way. |
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| 04:12.15 | kingsley | wols: What's the hurry? I was using a 26K modem until 15 minutes ago. I'll bet you're one of those people who thinks buggy whips are passe too. |
| 04:12.31 | Amarande | say |
| 04:12.37 | iTrip | can anyone please help me? |
| 04:12.46 | Amarande | is debian 3.0 'woody', or 'sarge'? cheapbytes only refers to the versions by number |
| 04:12.48 | Prime | ask your question :) |
| 04:12.51 | kingsley | iTrip: What's the problem? |
| 04:12.57 | maher | Amarande: woody |
| 04:13.07 | Amarande | oh, sarge is testing, then |
| 04:13.20 | iTrip | kingsley, Prime: scroll above a few lines... |
| 04:13.20 | abydos | 3.0 is woody, testing is sarge, and unstable is sid. |
| 04:13.21 | wols | kingsley: no. when I was little I used whips each day in summer. still would if I lived on a farm |
| 04:13.23 | kingsley | iTrip: I thought you were going to ask a hard question, like how to acheive world peace. |
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| 04:13.36 | iTrip | kingsley: :) |
| 04:13.48 | wols | kingsley: but since the current stable distro is almost two years old, you should have upgraded to it LONG ago |
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| 04:14.11 | abydos | Are there Sarge NetInst ISOs? |
| 04:14.20 | abydos | Is Sarge being subject to a security audit? |
| 04:14.31 | iTrip | kingsley: so whats any ideas? |
| 04:14.39 | tcsetattr | iTrip, /etc/init.d/checkfs tries to check all filesystems. |
| 04:14.40 | opp | i hate apt-get update doesnt work |
| 04:14.51 | maher | abydos: lol! someone's going to read all the code... |
| 04:14.53 | iTrip | kingsley: lol, that didn't come out right, I meant "so any ideas" |
| 04:15.13 | kingsley | wols: I'm using plenty of code from unstable. I only upgrade individual packages over the net when I need to and leave wekll enough alone. This system started running debian in '96. |
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| 04:15.53 | tcsetattr | you've been using Linux for at least 8 years and you thought "route add default gw A.B.C.D" was a difficult command? Wow. |
| 04:15.57 | iTrip | tcsetattr: do you know if I need to change anything in there so it doesn't do it everytime? |
| 04:16.15 | abydos | Are there any good freebie virus scanners? |
| 04:16.16 | Shorty_ | tcsetattr: hahahaahha :D |
| 04:16.17 | Shorty_ | class |
| 04:16.25 | Shorty_ | sweep? |
| 04:16.32 | abydos | sweep? |
| 04:16.39 | Shorty_ | apt-cache show sweep |
| 04:16.41 | Dossy | sweep is free? |
| 04:16.43 | menteco | hi, I am hosting my site menteco.com at from my computer running Debian. I am having trouble sending mail from a form using cgi-email. I know my Debian uses exim to send emails. What should I type as primary mail server in my DNS MX settings? |
| 04:16.49 | kingsley | wols: As an aside, I first installed SCO on it, but soon realized that even then, linux was better. Although I paid about $1,000 for SCO, I wiped it off the drive in '96 and never looked back. |
| 04:16.51 | maher | iTrip: does it show up in grep dosfsck /etc/init.d/* |
| 04:17.16 | abydos | cough |
| 04:17.22 | abydos | "sweep is an audio editor" |
| 04:17.31 | iTrip | maher: "grep -iIr dosfsck /etc/" doesn't show anything |
| 04:17.32 | maher | abydos: clamav |
| 04:17.34 | Dossy | sophos sweep is a virus scanner, but I don't think it's free |
| 04:17.44 | abydos | maher: ic. |
| 04:17.47 | abydos | |
| 04:17.47 | abydos | Sweep is an audio editor and live playback tool |
| 04:17.48 | FieldySnuts | it's not, also closed source |
| 04:17.58 | wols | iTrip: did you unmount your dos partition cleanly when you last used it? |
| 04:18.06 | kingsley | tcsetattr: I'm glad I entertained you. Perhaps it has something to do with living in a rural area that just go broadband a few months ago. |
| 04:18.09 | Shorty_ | I'm using? |
| 04:18.18 | Amarande | SCO: System Crashes Often |
| 04:18.22 | candymanm | does nayone know how to fix default fontsize in gnome? |
| 04:18.23 | abydos | does clamav get updated often? |
| 04:18.26 | candymanm | anyone |
| 04:18.28 | Shorty_ | I believe you will find that sweep is free for personal use |
| 04:18.30 | iTrip | wols: not sure... but it does it everytime... |
| 04:18.36 | maher | iTrip: is the dos partition listed in fstab |
| 04:18.43 | abydos | Macintosh: Most Applications Crash; If Not, the Operating System Hangs |
| 04:18.45 | wols | iTrip: paste the fsdtab line for that partition |
| 04:18.51 | iTrip | wols: I just use 'shutdown -h now' to shutdown the system, I am assuming this does a clean unmount? |
| 04:18.53 | kingsley | maher: I'd have been worried if I made you blink. |
| 04:19.00 | wols | iTrip: it does |
| 04:19.15 | wols | *fstab |
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| 04:19.19 | iTrip | /dev/hda5 /data vfat defaults,user,umask=1000 0 2 |
| 04:19.20 | candymanm | *font: -*-*-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 in ~/Xdefault fixes xterm but xmms and some orhers still have too small fonts |
| 04:20.48 | maher | iTrip: dunno - try making it noauto and see if that makes any difference |
| 04:20.57 | Shorty_ | -fh now |
| 04:20.59 | Shorty_ | :D |
| 04:21.01 | abydos | I don't care if it's closed-source, it just has to have free updates, like Norton doesn't. |
| 04:21.12 | Shorty_ | norton does? |
| 04:21.13 | maher | iTrip: if you mount/umount not at boot does it fsck it |
| 04:21.34 | maher | abydos: you could find out about clamav by looking at their website |
| 04:21.34 | abydos | doesn't. |
| 04:21.36 | iTrip | maher: never tried, I thought it was something that was setup to run everytime |
| 04:21.38 | abydos | I did. |
| 04:21.41 | abydos | It wants Cygwin. |
| 04:21.44 | iTrip | maher: I guess I should try it, eh? |
| 04:21.50 | maher | iTrip: try umount /data then mount /data |
| 04:21.53 | Shorty_ | it _what_ ? |
| 04:21.57 | abydos | I refuse to install cygwin on something with that thing's specs. |
| 04:22.14 | abydos | Shorty_: clamAV for windows wants Cygwin. |
| 04:22.22 | iTrip | maher: I got my KDE desktop on there... :( |
| 04:22.32 | iTrip | maher: so can't unmount without logging out of kde |
| 04:22.34 | abydos | Shorty_: the point of this exercise is to find a Windows virus scanner. |
| 04:22.34 | maher | abydos: oh - i don't use windows so I wouldn't know |
| 04:22.44 | abydos | I don't either. |
| 04:22.47 | iTrip | maher: I guess I could try -f |
| 04:22.51 | abydos | This is for my mom. |
| 04:22.55 | Shorty_ | oh |
| 04:22.56 | Shorty_ | sorry |
| 04:23.04 | Shorty_ | avg |
| 04:23.07 | Shorty_ | very good |
| 04:23.14 | Shorty_ | recommended by my girlfriend apparently |
| 04:23.15 | Shorty_ | :D |
| 04:23.23 | maher | iTrip: umm... just log out then stop kdm and see if you can unmount then |
| 04:23.39 | iTrip | maher: alright, I'll probably be back in a few |
| 04:23.42 | iTrip | maher: thanks |
| 04:23.46 | iTrip | wols: thanks :) |
| 04:24.05 | abydos | The other point of the exercise is to get this for free. |
| 04:24.17 | abydos | omg, there's a freebie edition. |
| 04:24.22 | Shorty_ | I told you that |
| 04:24.23 | wols | iTrip: ? |
| 04:24.30 | iTrip | tcsetattr: thanks :) |
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| 04:24.39 | Shorty_ | abydos, beggars mustn't be choosers |
| 04:24.42 | abydos | Shorty_: Sorry, must have missed it. |
| 04:24.46 | abydos | Shorty_: I know. |
| 04:24.48 | iTrip | wols: just making sure that everyone gets credit =D |
| 04:24.56 | abydos | Shorty_: That's why I use Gentoo, and she insists on windows. |
| 04:25.04 | Shorty_ | ahah |
| 04:25.07 | iTrip | brb |
| 04:25.09 | Shorty_ | I dislike gentoo |
| 04:25.15 | Shorty_ | but we'll save that for another day :D |
| 04:25.25 | peterS | Shorty_: better yet, save it for another channel (: |
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| 04:25.35 | peterS | no need for a "debian rules, and here's why" love fest in here (: |
| 04:25.48 | Shorty_ | no no |
| 04:25.54 | Shorty_ | its not that I think debians superiour |
| 04:25.58 | Shorty_ | even though I do |
| 04:26.06 | Shorty_ | I just don't like gentoo |
| 04:26.12 | abydos | I like Gentoo, and debian. |
| 04:26.15 | abydos | They all have their place. |
| 04:26.16 | invsblduck | gentoo is sweet dood. |
| 04:26.20 | peterS | well, start talking about how bad gentoo is, and the next thing you know, you'll get a dozen yes-men cheering about debian |
| 04:26.20 | Shorty_ | if I wanted to compile everything from source, I'd use ports in freebsd |
| 04:26.25 | peterS | it's the nature of the audience here |
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| 04:26.36 | Shorty_ | I don't like wasting my time compiling |
| 04:26.41 | Shorty_ | thats all :D |
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| 04:26.44 | abydos | All except Fedora, but I refuse to get into a "why x distro is better than z distro" love-fest. |
| 04:26.47 | iTrip | maher: umount'ing and mount'ing works just fine |
| 04:26.55 | omert | how many cds are required in debian |
| 04:27.00 | Shorty_ | 1 |
| 04:27.03 | omert | like there are 7 binary download isos |
| 04:27.06 | peterS | omert: probably just the first one or two |
| 04:27.09 | abydos | omert: 1, the netinst cd. |
| 04:27.12 | omert | do i have to download all ? |
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| 04:27.15 | Shorty_ | no |
| 04:27.20 | omert | ahan... |
| 04:27.24 | peterS | omert: each CD has packages on it, but it's usually just as easy to download stuff off the net, once you've got a base system up |
| 04:27.27 | Shorty_ | the last 6 are just suplimental packages |
| 04:27.27 | omert | okay thanks... |
| 04:27.33 | omert | what about KD e |
| 04:27.36 | omert | is it in the first one ? |
| 04:27.41 | peterS | not sure |
| 04:27.53 | omert | hm... |
| 04:27.55 | abydos | I'm going with a netinst on my router box, because I'm not a fan of getting all the unnecessary baggage. |
| 04:27.55 | sciboy | Hi guys, what do i need to get alsa working with my Sound Blaster Pro in the kernel 2.6.5? |
| 04:28.07 | peterS | omert: but for most people, downloading a netinstall CD, which is a lot smaller than a regular CD image, is the way to go |
| 04:28.07 | omert | okay thanks everyone |
| 04:28.14 | kingsley | Bye for now. |
| 04:28.18 | peterS | omert: then, to install packages, you get *everything* else off the net, when you need it |
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| 04:28.28 | omert | hm... |
| 04:28.49 | omert | yeah but the problem is i have a cable net |
| 04:28.57 | omert | and my server is based on winnt |
| 04:29.08 | omert | it requires me to login to a domain |
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| 04:29.29 | omert | and then i have to use a firewall client to use internet (ISA) |
| 04:29.40 | peterS | omert: you have to use a proxy with authentication? that's annoying |
| 04:29.47 | omert | so i dont know if it is possible for me to connect to the internet with debian |
| 04:29.53 | omert | yeah it is |
| 04:30.07 | lknyshov | It is always possible. |
| 04:30.10 | peterS | omert: ah, might or might not be. the installer won't support that, I'm pretty sure, but possibly other software once you're running might |
| 04:30.12 | omert | first i have to authenticate my machine with domain and then with ISA server |
| 04:30.27 | omert | hm..yea.. |
| 04:30.43 | omert | but is there any option of domain in debian ? |
| 04:30.57 | peterS | omert: this is referring to web proxying, or what? |
| 04:31.06 | omert | or does anyone know from where i can find out about logging into domain in debian ? |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | omert: "Logging into a domain" is a matter of using NTLM, which a lot of clients support |
| 04:31.21 | lknyshov | omert: you are asking about Samba :) |
| 04:31.34 | peterS | omert: but whether any of these do what you want, for the purpose you want, I do not know |
| 04:31.35 | omert | yeah... |
| 04:31.38 | kremlyn | Does Debian have boot disketts, ie: for a netinstall? |
| 04:31.45 | kremlyn | local network install |
| 04:31.56 | FieldySnuts | !dance |
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| 04:32.04 | sciboy | Hmmm... If i just updated my kernel to 2.6.5 do i need to dist-upgrade to get my sound working again? |
| 04:32.05 | peterS | kremlyn: yeah. on your CD image, or from a mirror site, see 'dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/' |
| 04:32.07 | lknyshov | kremlyn: that's one option... why not simply use PXE? |
| 04:32.08 | omert | let me try anyway |
| 04:32.11 | sbetore | What's the root dns server? |
| 04:32.15 | omert | i will download the first 3 cds |
| 04:32.18 | peterS | kremlyn: that's relative to your CD, or relative to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 04:32.19 | sbetore | ip |
| 04:32.21 | menteco | what should type as primary mail server in my DNS MX records? |
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| 04:32.45 | peterS | menteco: only you can answer that. why do you think we know where your mail server is? |
| 04:32.55 | omert | anyway thanks alot everyone |
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| 04:33.31 | kremlyn | peterS: Can I then specify the location of the install sets, and install over ftp etc? |
| 04:33.40 | peterS | kremlyn: yeah |
| 04:33.44 | peterS | kremlyn: what sort of network connection do you have? |
| 04:33.44 | sciboy | ... ALSA isn't finding my sound card 0_o |
| 04:33.48 | menteco | peterS: I host my site at my computer, which uses exim to send mail, may knowing that you can help me. |
| 04:33.52 | peterS | kremlyn: dialup? DSL? regular LAN? |
| 04:33.58 | ghlk | if /boot is on /dev/hdb1 and / is on /dev/hdb2 what should the root=??? and (hd?,?) be for the grub menu.lst file? |
| 04:34.02 | kremlyn | peterS: regular LAN. |
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| 04:34.10 | peterS | menteco: if your computer is prepared to receive mail, and has a static IP address, you can set the MX record to there |
| 04:34.20 | peterS | menteco: but if you didn't already know this, I question your ability to run a mail server in the first place |
| 04:34.30 | peterS | kremlyn: do you happen to know what network card? |
| 04:34.46 | kremlyn | peterS: Tulip |
| 04:35.01 | tcsetattr | the content of an MX record is supposed to be a hostname, not an IP address (not that that stops people from doing it that way) |
| 04:35.02 | peterS | kremlyn: ok, the tulip driver isn't built into the kernels. so you'll need to make 6 floppies |
| 04:35.03 | FieldySnuts | !poon |
| 04:35.04 | dpkg | i heard poon is hive's alter ego while playing Counter-Strike...if you see him turn around and prepare for death..., or one of the reasons people are trying to make a 'mm1' filter for counterstrike. |
| 04:35.17 | peterS | kremlyn: get the images from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 04:35.40 | kremlyn | Right.. |
| 04:35.44 | ghlk | wols? anyone? |
| 04:35.44 | peterS | kremlyn: they are called rescue.bin (that's what you boot from), root.bin (it will later prompt you to put that one in), and drivers-1.bin through drivers-4.bin (you need those during the install) |
| 04:36.13 | peterS | kremlyn: the drivers-*.bin are the floppies that have the tulip driver on them - unfortunately you can't just use *one* of them, you have to load them all up in a set |
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| 04:36.21 | kremlyn | *nod*. Excellent. |
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| 04:36.28 | peterS | kremlyn: are you on a windows machine now, or what? |
| 04:36.36 | menteco | peterS: I don't need exim to be able to receive external mail. I know I is able to send mail to external addresses, but don't know which address to type in the DNS MX record, just my domain name (menteco.com) may be? |
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| 04:36.58 | ThisGuy | Finally got it installed. Now I'm confused by packages. |
| 04:37.07 | kremlyn | I am now yes. On a network with a FreeBSD machine and 4 OpenBSD boxes.. and a box here to play with Debian. |
| 04:37.10 | Prime | lol |
| 04:37.22 | kremlyn | Desktop is still Win32 for compatability with Uni stuff |
| 04:37.24 | Prime | if libc6 was removed is there anyway to reinstall it from ssh ? |
| 04:37.26 | peterS | kremlyn: if you're stuck on Windows for writing the floppies, see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/tools/ for something called 'rawrtwin.exe' which is a Windows executable for writing floppy images to floppies |
| 04:37.43 | ghlk | if /boot is on /dev/hdb1 and / is on /dev/hdb2 what should the root=??? and (hd?,?) be for the grub menu.lst file? |
| 04:37.46 | peterS | kremlyn: from Unix, though, you can just use 'cp rescue.bin /dev/fd0' or whatever your floppy device is (that's what it is on Linux and AIX) |
| 04:37.55 | kremlyn | peterS: used it before. or I can make them using dd on one of the other *NIX boxen. |
| 04:38.09 | peterS | kremlyn: everyone loves dd for these things. I don't know why. 'cp rescue.bin /dev/fd0' is so much easier (: |
| 04:38.14 | kremlyn | cp? Won't I need to dd it? if it's an image.. |
| 04:38.31 | kremlyn | lol.. ok then :-) |
| 04:38.33 | wols | ghlk: root should be (1,1) then IIRC. read the grub docs at gnu.org |
| 04:38.36 | peterS | kremlyn: dd and cp do the same thing in this case. they copy data from a file to a device |
| 04:38.36 | tcsetattr | dd is nothing but cp with fancier options |
| 04:38.42 | sambatron | hello, when I try to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 I get this error message on mkinitrd: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed |
| 04:38.42 | sambatron | fatal_: Module rtl8139 not found. |
| 04:38.42 | sambatron | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 04:38.47 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, and nobody uses those options in these cases (: |
| 04:38.49 | sambatron | help ? |
| 04:38.50 | thoreauputic | peterS: cat works, too |
| 04:38.57 | peterS | thoreauputic: yeah, but cp is more straightforward |
| 04:38.57 | ThisGuy | Can anyone direct me to a good "first steps" kind of thing? I've got Sarge installed, but aptitude confused me and I'm not sure what I installed, and it says some things are broken. |
| 04:39.10 | ghlk | wols: how about root=??? |
| 04:39.17 | tcsetattr | first step: don't break things |
| 04:39.20 | wols | ghlk: root=/dev/hdb2 |
| 04:39.22 | thoreauputic | peterS: hehe... one less letter ;) |
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| 04:39.44 | ghlk | i don't really feel like going through a bunch of docus with lynx at the moment |
| 04:39.54 | ThisGuy | I tried not to break things, but I couldn't convince it to (f)orget the stuff I had selected. |
| 04:39.55 | cse | Any ideas on a libcupsys2-gnutls10 problem when trying to install samba? |
| 04:39.56 | sambatron | help... please |
| 04:39.58 | ghlk | X isn't running so console is the only option availibe right now |
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| 04:40.25 | ThisGuy | It seemed to forget, but the next time I ran it, they were all selected (or so it seemed) and it wouldn't forget them. |
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| 04:40.44 | tcsetattr | well first you could run apt-get -f install |
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| 04:40.51 | ghlk | alright... yet another try.. be back |
| 04:41.19 | menteco | tcsetattr: have missed your last text about MX. So in my case typing as MX record "menteco.com" would do it I guess. |
| 04:41.20 | ThisGuy | What does apt-get -f install do? |
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| 04:41.39 | sbetore | ThisGuy: Install all packages that haven't been installed yet or something. |
| 04:42.09 | sbetore | ThisGuy: It doesn't screw up your system or anything, if that was what you were afraid of :) |
| 04:42.17 | tcsetattr | menteco, it's obvious to me that you are not qualified to administer a mail server. I can only hope you fail and give up, because if you succeed in setting one up it will be badly run, and a menace to the rest of the net. |
| 04:42.30 | ThisGuy | I'm not really afraid, just want to understand and learn. |
| 04:42.44 | tcsetattr | you don't even know what an MX is. Take a few months and do some reading! any RFC on DNS, for example. |
| 04:42.59 | menteco | tcsetattr: thnk u! |
| 04:43.00 | tcsetattr | don't rush into running servers you don't understand. |
| 04:43.16 | tcsetattr | apt-get -f install tries to fix broken packages |
| 04:43.21 | sbk | itrip: taking a cursory look anyway, not sure that fsck.vfat behaves like fsck.ext2, which skips an elaborate check if the file system was unmounted cleanly |
| 04:43.55 | sbetore | ThisGuy: I've got a personal uptime nearing 24 hours, so I'm not the one to ask,. |
| 04:43.56 | sbk | itrip: I guess :-) you could just skip it altogether by (I think) setting the last number to 0 in your fstab line |
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| 04:44.08 | ghlk | GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB... |
| 04:44.22 | ghlk | this shouldn't be that complicated |
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| 04:45.00 | CompWizrd | !badgerstrike ghlk |
| 04:45.04 | CompWizrd | hmm. |
| 04:45.05 | CompWizrd | ah well |
| 04:45.06 | CompWizrd | :P |
| 04:45.06 | Whistleboy | How does one mount a USB Compact Flash reader |
| 04:45.16 | ghlk | don't fuck with wisconsin |
| 04:45.25 | sbk | ghlk: where are you getting stuck? trying to get grub on the MBR? |
| 04:45.27 | Whistleboy | the power of cheese! |
| 04:45.28 | ghlk | anyways.. any ideas? |
| 04:45.34 | itrip | sbk: hmm... |
| 04:45.53 | ghlk | sbk: GRUB will repeatedly say "GRUB" when i boot, nothing more |
| 04:46.03 | ghlk | sbk: so it should at least be on teh MBR |
| 04:46.17 | sbk | ghlk: interesting.. so it fills up the screen in some sort of loop? |
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| 04:46.23 | ghlk | sbk: yep |
| 04:46.32 | rsb | wasabeee! |
| 04:46.43 | sbk | ghlk: what version of grub are you using? |
| 04:46.57 | ghlk | sbk: .91 apparently |
| 04:47.16 | ghlk | whatever stable has by default |
| 04:47.25 | rsb | anyone used an intel SR1300 box? |
| 04:47.36 | rsb | just installed debian testing on mine. |
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| 04:47.49 | sbk | ghlk: ah, ok. that's 0.91, right -- doesn't have a different issue that'd cause that particular symptom; so that's good :-) |
| 04:48.03 | wols | ghlk: as I said, grub can't find its stage two files since they are on a different partition than the root partition |
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| 04:48.22 | ghlk | wols: what should the root partiton be set to then? |
| 04:48.31 | sbk | ghlk: hm, weird. so usually that symptom comes when it's trying to load the stage 1.5, and instead ends up reloading a sector that's identical to the mbr |
| 04:49.04 | wols | ghlk: the root partition is set correctyl, you can't set it otherwise |
| 04:49.12 | ghlk | does /boot still have to be on a small drive, or can i just throw that on a 20GB / partition and leave it at that |
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| 04:49.24 | ghlk | there used to be some limitaiton with that, not sure if it still exists though |
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| 04:50.25 | itrip | sbk: the man page says that "The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2." |
| 04:50.29 | wols | ghlk: you don't need a separate partition for anything |
| 04:50.40 | wols | all you _need_ is a / partition, nothing else |
| 04:50.50 | itrip | sbk: but later it says "If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume |
| 04:50.54 | itrip | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.55 | itrip | " |
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| 04:51.17 | ghlk | wols: there used to be an issue with whatever /boot was on not being over somethingl ike 500MB, they might have fixed that though |
| 04:51.22 | itrip | sbk: so I guess I should try 0, eh? |
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| 04:51.24 | sbk | itrip: right. i'm assuming that vfat partition is not the root partition? so that's what I was thinking, if you're willing to just not fsck it at all |
| 04:51.26 | Prime | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file |
| 04:51.26 | Prime | r directory |
| 04:51.26 | dpkg | You are moron #21, Prime |
| 04:51.33 | Prime | anyway to fix dpkg ? |
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| 04:51.48 | ghlk | wols: ill try copying boot to / and then removing the /boot mounting point |
| 04:51.52 | wols | ghlk: that's a BIOS limitation, nothing to do with linux |
| 04:51.54 | itrip | sbk: yeah, don't really care about it at boot time |
| 04:52.02 | itrip | sbk: alright, I am going to try this (gotta reboot) |
| 04:52.07 | itrip | sbk: thanks! |
| 04:52.07 | wols | and it applies to /, not necessarily /boot |
| 04:52.15 | ghlk | wols: i think it was linux specific actually |
| 04:52.28 | ghlk | wols: this was maybe 98 or 99 |
| 04:52.42 | wols | no, windows had the same problem on old BIOSes, unless lilo had this limitation built in as well |
| 04:52.45 | wols | which is possible |
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| 04:52.52 | wols | but not anymore in the day of LBA |
| 04:53.23 | ghlk | wols: windows booted fine on a > 500MB drive, but linux wouldn't unless /boot was on a small partition, not sure what the problem was though |
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| 04:53.46 | wols | I know that grub doesn't have it on reasonably new hardware. since my linux partition here is > 20GB or so, maybe even higher |
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| 04:54.01 | wols | then lilo had a limitation |
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| 04:54.06 | h8red | hey guys |
| 04:54.07 | ghlk | wols: ill try moving boot and see if that works |
| 04:54.13 | Doc_Spiff | To install kde using apt-get witch package should i select? |
| 04:54.28 | wols | ghlk: put all files in your root partition |
| 04:54.34 | h8red | LETS TRADE SOME WAREZ! |
| 04:54.37 | h8red | YEEEAHHHH |
| 04:54.48 | ghlk | be back |
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| 04:55.02 | h8red | whats +q |
| 04:55.05 | ele|webdesign | mute :P |
| 04:55.09 | itrip | lol |
| 04:55.10 | h8red | dammit |
| 04:55.32 | pw | Hmm. Why is it not OK to include the Firefox icon in the Debian package, but it *is* OK to have the Firefox artwork in the About box? |
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| 04:56.17 | wols | pw: cause that artwork might not be trademarked |
| 04:56.30 | wols | intellectual property law is weird and fucked up |
| 04:56.44 | kremlyn | wols: amen. |
| 04:56.58 | nathan_ | is there a 'debian standard' directory to install fonts into? |
| 04:57.15 | peterS | not only intellectual property law |
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| 04:57.34 | wols | peterS: but there it's pretty obvious |
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| 04:57.52 | peterS | wols: there's also the fact that open source type people tend to be willing to enforce trademarks in cases where they don't want to restrict what they have copyright on |
| 04:58.02 | h8red | WAREZ WAREZ WAREZ WAREZ!!!! |
| 04:58.11 | peterS | h8red: NO WAREZ FOR YOU! ONE YEAR! |
| 04:58.13 | h8red | PR0N |
| 04:58.14 | h8red | WAREZ |
| 04:58.19 | h8red | YEAHHHHHHHH |
| 04:58.22 | peterS | h8red: seriously, you're wasting our time |
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| 04:58.31 | h8red | is debian the best unix |
| 04:58.33 | thoreauputic | h8red: go away |
| 04:58.44 | peterS | h8red: depends on whom you ask. we don't really feel like having a flame war here, though |
| 04:58.52 | wols | h8red: shut up or we will send you kernel images all day. more "warez" than you ever need |
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| 04:59.00 | h8red | kernel what? |
| 04:59.03 | coolnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.06 | knoppix | can anyone help me to get my apm to see my battorie |
| 04:59.06 | thoreauputic | !fix h8red |
| 04:59.11 | peterS | h8red: images. they look kind of like natalie portman |
| 04:59.22 | h8red | like an iso image? |
| 04:59.28 | h8red | someone send me an iso image of a pirated software |
| 04:59.33 | knoppix | *oops bad spelling |
| 04:59.38 | FieldySnuts | !lart h8red |
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| 04:59.48 | peterS | h8red: seriously. shut up about warez. this isn't the place |
| 04:59.49 | wols | peterS: you shouldn't said that. now I will try to load my kernels all day in xv to check for pictures |
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| 04:59.54 | peterS | wols: heh |
| 04:59.56 | Supaplex | h8red: #Warez2,000 has it, iirc |
| 05:00.11 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 05:00.13 | h8red | you guys are nutless! |
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| 05:00.22 | peterS | buh-buy now |
| 05:00.32 | FieldySnuts | almost as nutless as somebody who insults and immediately quits |
| 05:00.35 | thoreauputic | gee, what a pity |
| 05:00.52 | Supaplex | who? |
| 05:00.57 | wols | why do people want to troll channels? alone even. channel invasions only get funny if you have several people |
| 05:01.07 | wols | sheesh, kids nowadays |
| 05:01.11 | peterS | wols: not even then, if you're over the age of about 15 |
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| 05:02.02 | wols | peterS: I ready some really funny logs. but those weren't technical places like this.more general chat channels |
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| 05:02.18 | wols | people there are more gullible |
| 05:02.27 | ghlk | GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB |
| 05:02.34 | Dodge | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 05:02.46 | ghlk | and now the damn thing kernel panics when booting from the cd |
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| 05:02.54 | h8red | i love you too peterS |
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| 05:03.03 | Jyad | is recode the best bet for converting between dos and unix test formats? |
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| 05:03.37 | Supaplex | Jyad: apt-cache fromdos (or todos). best is relative, be more specific. |
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| 05:03.49 | KarlosII | heh |
| 05:03.51 | BILLYTHEKID | hi guys |
| 05:03.53 | KarlosII | <h8red> i love you too peterS |
| 05:03.53 | KarlosII | * h8red kiss |
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| 05:04.03 | peterS | KarlosII: yeah really |
| 05:04.10 | Jyad | Spaplex - best is subjective - really looking for recommendations. |
| 05:04.16 | BILLYTHEKID | YALL WRANGLE ME UP SOME WAREZ PLZ |
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| 05:05.09 | Dodge | Can I get some help to configure knoppix please |
| 05:05.13 | sbk | ghlk: wols or others might know of a smart way to deal with it -- I can try to help with some more crude ways from the grub console as a last resort |
| 05:05.20 | Supaplex | Dodge: if you join #knoppix |
| 05:05.44 | Dodge | Ok.....thanks....then can you tell me how to do that... |
| 05:06.06 | Supaplex | try /part #debian then /join #knoppix |
| 05:06.18 | Dodge | thanks..I shall |
| 05:06.22 | wols | ghlk: do you have the root=/dev/hdb2 part in there? |
| 05:06.29 | ghlk | sbk: well, i probably can't even get back into linux without a reinstall now |
| 05:06.49 | ghlk | wols: nope |
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| 05:07.39 | wols | ghlk: you will need it. or does grub still not boot? |
| 05:07.53 | ghlk | fuck this.. im just going to switch the drives around so windows is hdb and throw linux on hda, because it obviously doesn't like to boot from the second drive |
| 05:08.38 | KarlosII | ghlk, windows doens't like a alot of things including secondary drives and fat32 partitions as primary partitions |
| 05:08.38 | holycow | i dont think windows will like that tho. doesnt it want c as root? |
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| 05:09.07 | ghlk | holycow: ive done it before, just switch the bios to boot of hdb and it starts up just fine |
| 05:09.29 | holycow | neat |
| 05:09.44 | wols | ghlk: where did you install grub again? |
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| 05:09.50 | ghlk | wols: apt-get |
| 05:10.02 | wols | no. apt-get doesn't install grub |
| 05:10.06 | ghlk | wols: where ever it wants to put it |
| 05:10.08 | wols | grub-install installs grub |
| 05:10.13 | ghlk | wols: hdb then |
| 05:10.31 | wols | try hda. make grub the main bootloader |
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| 05:10.42 | ghlk | wols: i don't trust it not to fuck up my windows partition |
| 05:10.45 | wols | and use chainloader +1 for grub |
| 05:11.16 | wols | well, I can guarantee you one thing: if you change hdb and hda, windows will crash on startup with a bluescreen |
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| 05:11.25 | wols | that I know as a fact. so if you change, you have to reinstall windows |
| 05:12.05 | ghlk | well, it'll be easier to get windows to boot from somewhere else than it will be to get linux to do it apparently |
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| 05:12.23 | gamma | is it possible to get vesafb to run 1600x1200? |
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| 05:13.06 | wols | ghlk: how do you start grub anyways when installing it to /dev/hdb? |
| 05:13.13 | ardy | Does anyone know who kde's find files app crahses? |
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| 05:13.32 | wols | I mean, by default only the first disk is used for booting and on that one there is the NT bootloader, right? |
| 05:13.41 | wols | does boot.ini know about your linux partition? |
| 05:13.42 | ghlk | wols: right |
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| 05:13.55 | ghlk | wols: i just change the bios to boot to the second drive |
| 05:14.11 | wols | that's really dumb |
| 05:14.30 | ghlk | wols: its good enought for the moment |
| 05:14.41 | wols | usually this means what was drive 0x81 (aka hdb) is now 0x80 (aka hda) |
| 05:14.45 | ghlk | better than fucking up both drives and having to reinstall everything from scratch |
| 05:14.52 | wols | that is what confuses grub which will then of course crash |
| 05:15.06 | ghlk | it shouldn't change how the drives are mapped |
| 05:15.16 | wols | how do you know that? |
| 05:15.38 | ghlk | because all the partions map correctly pointed to /dev/hdb# |
| 05:15.54 | ghlk | if the bios changed it they wouldn't mount |
| 05:16.27 | Psyke | i saw an advertisment for some program on the net... that allows you to boot linux... then run windows on top of it but it wasn't free, are there any like this that are? |
| 05:16.44 | wols | you don't know how BIOSes, grub and the linux I/O subsystem work, do you? |
| 05:16.51 | ardy | does anyone know if there is a FreeBSD forum? |
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| 05:17.37 | ghlk | no, but its makes sense that if you point to /dev/hdb and it looks at the second drive, it means the bios hasn't changed the mappings |
| 05:17.53 | deejoe | ardy: how about #freebsd |
| 05:18.03 | wols | ghlk: the BIOS and grub both run in realmode (basically like DOS). grub needs the BIOS for accessing drives. linux then changes into protected mode and accesses the hardware directly, no more BIOS needed (or wanted |
| 05:18.06 | ghlk | if grub gets confused that easily, then it needs more work |
| 05:18.11 | wols | that's why linux sees hdb and grub does not |
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| 05:18.35 | ghlk | ive done this exact same thing with lilo for years |
| 05:18.58 | wols | no it doesn't. any bootloader will get confused when a disk is 0x81 when it installes and 0x80 when it is run |
| 05:18.59 | ardy | deejoe I'm kinda new to xchat, how do I change to that channel? |
| 05:19.09 | wols | ardy: /join #channel |
| 05:19.22 | ardy | thanks wols |
| 05:19.24 | ghlk | lilo saw throught it well enough apparently |
| 05:19.39 | wols | then why don't you go back to lilo and be happy? |
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| 05:20.04 | ghlk | because lilo wasn't working and every said "install grub, its the bomb!" |
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| 05:20.38 | ghlk | and stupidly i believed them |
| 05:20.59 | Manoj_ | helix: you around? |
| 05:21.04 | sbk | ghlk: without debating all this pointless stuff, by default, grub-0.91 embeds the drive byte _at the time of install_ into the mbr rather than trust the bios to pass it in. you can fiddle with it with some more options if you want, or just install it without changing the bios |
| 05:21.08 | helix | Manoj_: yeah, what's up? |
| 05:21.10 | deejoe | ghlk: that sounds like the reason why you tried it, not the reason why you don't go back to it. |
| 05:21.19 | ardy | does anyone know if there is a shockwave player for linux |
| 05:21.22 | helix | Manoj_: hmm, unless you're going to harass me about color theory some more ;) |
| 05:21.23 | mame | ghlk: try it to diskette with syslinux |
| 05:21.30 | ghlk | no floopy drive |
| 05:21.36 | Manoj_ | helix: remember a long time ago I said I was working on a color calculator? |
| 05:21.40 | helix | Manoj_: yes |
| 05:21.47 | Manoj_ | one designed to help folks like me pick colors? |
| 05:21.56 | Manoj_ | I finally got it into beta |
| 05:22.09 | helix | are you looking for a tester? |
| 05:22.13 | ghlk | anyways... im just going to go with my original plan and just do a reinstall... thanks for the help everyoen |
| 05:22.14 | mame | ghlk: you have to read, and take a 'dd' snapshot |
| 05:22.19 | Manoj_ | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/color_report.xhtml |
| 05:22.42 | mame | ghlk: you have a boot cd? |
| 05:22.50 | Manoj_ | thats a sample output for a color I think is going to be my primary color for my blog |
| 05:22.53 | ghlk | mame: im not making a boot cdrom for booting this when it should work off the hd |
| 05:23.08 | mame | ghlk: well off you go then |
| 05:23.11 | ghlk | im going to try my method. |
| 05:23.12 | ghlk | later |
| 05:23.17 | helix | Manoj_: this is pretty cool |
| 05:23.36 | sbk | ah well... ghlk is in the mode of irritated blame than figuring out what's going on. ;-) |
| 05:23.52 | Manoj_ | helix: feedback welcome |
| 05:24.01 | helix | i like the tetrade |
| 05:24.06 | mame | sbk: there's a rescue cd that can prevent him doing any reinstall, he's pretty thinheaded |
| 05:24.08 | Manoj_ | you would |
| 05:24.29 | Manoj_ | kinda gets up and bludgeons one, doesn't it? |
| 05:24.45 | scout | how can i cancel an /list? |
| 05:24.47 | helix | hahahaha |
| 05:24.47 | asuffield | Manoj_: like being beaten to death with a fruit salad |
| 05:24.52 | scout | how can i cancel an /list in irc client? |
| 05:24.57 | helix | Manoj_: well, the pastels appeal to my feminine sensibilities |
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| 05:25.37 | Manoj_ | I thought you would like the analogic scheme, then |
| 05:25.47 | helix | Manoj_: http://double-helix.org/screenshots/urxvt.png (current ss) |
| 05:25.51 | gravity | helix: You have no sensibilities, feminine or otherwise ;-P |
| 05:25.51 | helix | more colorful than the last.. |
| 05:25.53 | Manoj_ | The links section needs to be expanded with more detail |
| 05:25.56 | sbk | mame: *nod* no doubt there were several reasonable ways to move forward; but I think he lost it about ten minutes ago, and the rest of it was just fuming and ranting ;-) annoying all 'round, oh well |
| 05:26.00 | Mookie | I'm looking for a decent review of what ICMP types should be allowed past my firewall. (For obvious reasons, I'll set a DROP policy by default) |
| 05:26.07 | helix | gravity: ha. i can hurt you, systema or not. |
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| 05:26.32 | gravity | helix: Just try it! I'm taller than you and I have the picture to prove it! |
| 05:26.49 | holycow | you wear pumps?" |
| 05:26.50 | peterS | gravity: you funny little man, said Strickland |
| 05:26.55 | gravity | hahaha |
| 05:27.03 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 05:27.11 | asuffield | "evenly separated, perceptually", bah! stupid myopic view of the world |
| 05:27.21 | gravity | helix: Besides, it's tough to hurt me. I'm all bendy and squishy like noodles or marshmallows. |
| 05:27.24 | Manoj_ | so, doesn't anyone want the perl code? |
| 05:27.31 | gravity | helix: Bony, skinny marshmallows |
| 05:27.37 | Invisible_Optiks | I think I might have lost this battle, Windows is going to win over Linux with this wireless card :( |
| 05:27.47 | helix | haha |
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| 05:28.10 | asuffield | Manoj_: being colour blind, I need your perl code about as much as I need a hysterectomy |
| 05:28.13 | helix | Manoj_: why don't you just post it on the website? or is it there? |
| 05:28.39 | Manoj_ | gen_color.pl on the same dir |
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| 05:34.26 | buu__ | simonrvn: I'm not freaking using root |
| 05:34.38 | ardy | ANYONE: what is everyone fav. development env for developing C/c++ linux apps |
| 05:34.41 | simonrvn | you were, sorry |
| 05:34.52 | simonrvn | buu__: didn't see you quit :/ |
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| 05:35.04 | buu__ | streuner_: yes, I already got the root spam |
| 05:35.09 | buu__ | Repeating it not needful |
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| 05:35.57 | streuner_ | buu__: dont tell me that crap, you joined as root and said you weren't |
| 05:36.00 | buu__ | Anyways. I'm trying to install a new kernel on debian (unstable). I tried the apt-get install kernel-image bit, but that install screen told me I need to modify lilo.conf, add an initrd |
| 05:36.08 | buu__ | streuner_: I'M NOT USING ROOT AS OF THIS MOMENT |
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| 05:36.11 | buu__ | gah |
| 05:36.18 | Whistleboy | I've found lots of descriptions of how to share printers with cups and Windows. Any definitite source of information? |
| 05:36.35 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: cups is very good shit. |
| 05:36.39 | gravity | Whistleboy: Probably the documentation on cups.org |
| 05:36.40 | buu__ | I tried to modify my lilo.conf to add the initrd, but when I ran lilo, it complained about not findng an initrd.img |
| 05:36.40 | ghlk | step 1 successful, moved the windows drive to hdb and it booted without a single problem |
| 05:36.41 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: it kicks ass |
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| 05:36.46 | buu__ | do I need to create one or something? |
| 05:36.47 | ghlk | on to step 2.... |
| 05:36.49 | gravity | Whistleboy: Followed by any sort of HOWTO's on the linux documentaion project |
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| 05:36.59 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: I think there is a cups HOWTO |
| 05:37.00 | streuner_ | buu__: man lilo.conf |
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| 05:37.17 | streuner_ | buu__: no, just edit lilo.conf |
| 05:37.21 | fromZ | hey, i'm downloading a woody net install image, how do you use it once it's burnt to cd? |
| 05:37.26 | fromZ | is it a menu install? |
| 05:37.28 | Whistleboy | the cups documents seem to be pushing IPP. I am looking for raw from the Windows machine. |
| 05:37.37 | streuner_ | buu__: the system create it for you |
| 05:37.46 | buu__ | streuner_: I edited it, but wehen I run "lilo" it complains |
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| 05:37.54 | cskaterun | but I can't get it to boot |
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| 05:37.58 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: IPP kicks ass, I've used it before, with linux as the server and the windows machine as a client, the printouts come out exactly the same as raw. |
| 05:38.05 | cskaterun | there is always a kernel panic |
| 05:38.07 | buu__ | Can I just ignore this complaint, or what? I was told I needed to run "lilo" after modifying lilo.conf |
| 05:38.08 | jhs_ | is the proper place to ask questions about the debian-installer beta cds? |
| 05:38.10 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: I don't think you can do raw over a network. |
| 05:38.24 | streuner_ | buu__: you could ignore warning, NOT errors... |
| 05:38.26 | Whistleboy | joe_blow_moe_so: why not? Isn't that what raw is? |
| 05:38.39 | buu__ | streuner_: It's prefixed by "Fatal", so I assume it's an error? |
| 05:38.40 | streuner_ | s/warning/warnings/ |
| 05:38.45 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: you mean like a bunch of parallel cables? |
| 05:38.46 | deejoe | dhs_: #debian-boot probably is the place |
| 05:38.58 | deejoe | er, jhs |
| 05:39.03 | Whistleboy | joe_blow_moe_so: my reason for raw is that I have tried endlessly to get IPP working on my Win2K machine to no avail, and I want to be able to use the Windows driver for this printer as it often does a better job on photos. |
| 05:39.10 | jhs_ | deejoe: thanks |
| 05:39.20 | cskaterun | Can somebody explain to me how I should go about appending the right "ROOT" partition in the boot sequence |
| 05:39.29 | cskaterun | my kernel keeps panicing |
| 05:39.33 | Whistleboy | joe_blow_moe_so: no, over ethernet. |
| 05:39.35 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: setup the printer under Windows, and then use Samba to print from Linux? |
| 05:39.43 | cskaterun | I have BOOT set to /dev/hda2 in the lilo.conf |
| 05:39.48 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: your printer has ethernet support? |
| 05:40.19 | Whistleboy | joe_blow_moe_so: no, I have my printer on a parallel port on my Debian machine, and a Win2K machine I want to print via ethernet |
| 05:40.41 | streuner_ | buu__: show us the first error, dont flood here. |
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| 05:40.52 | buu__ | streuner_: The error is "Fatal: Can't find file /initrd.img" |
| 05:40.59 | Whistleboy | joe_blow_moe_so: samba and cups is the combination I should be chasing |
| 05:41.01 | joe_blow_moe_so | Whistleboy: I suppose you could do it with Samba. |
| 05:41.04 | buu__ | (paraphrased slightly) |
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| 05:41.56 | HotDog | hey |
| 05:42.00 | streuner_ | buu__: ok, just ls -l /boot/*.img and point in /etc/lilo.conf it to /boot/blablah-initrd.img |
| 05:42.23 | streuner_ | buu__: NOT only initrd.img |
| 05:42.40 | buu__ | streuner_: I don't have any .img files in /boot ? |
| 05:42.48 | buu__ | I haven't installed the new kernel yet though? |
| 05:43.03 | deejoe | buu__: generally, initrd.img is a symlink to initrd.img-some.kernel.version |
| 05:43.13 | gdog | Whistleboy: maybe post something on the samba or cups mailing list? |
| 05:43.39 | HotDog | is that wrong if I use fetchmail to fetch my email and pass them thru mailscanner, deliver it to my MTA that will deliver it to my local pop3 ... and changes the return-path to something else?! I can't find anyways of preventing the change of the return-path except by using procmail... but i wanna use mail scanner... not anything else... unless you have any hints!!! |
| 05:43.39 | buu__ | deejoe: no img files here |
| 05:43.42 | HotDog | thanks |
| 05:43.43 | Whistleboy | ok, thanks. |
| 05:43.49 | streuner_ | buu__: i thought you did apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.x ? |
| 05:44.04 | buu__ | streuner_: I ran that command, but I canceled at the screen that told me to modify lilo |
| 05:44.15 | buu__ | streuner_: sorry, should I install *then* modify? |
| 05:44.34 | deejoe | modify, but don't run it--the install will run it |
| 05:44.38 | streuner_ | buu__ : after you installed the kernel-image modify lilo.conf |
| 05:44.42 | wasabi | How does one restore a missing conf file? |
| 05:44.42 | buu__ | k |
| 05:44.47 | deejoe | oops |
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| 05:45.22 | deejoe | the install may also prompt you to edit /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 05:45.28 | streuner_ | wasabi: depends, what pkg? |
| 05:45.39 | wasabi | streuner, sasl2-bin |
| 05:45.40 | mame | buu__: sometimes they're in /usr/share/doc |
| 05:45.42 | deejoe | If I have not yet done that, I switch to another terminal window and do that mid-install |
| 05:45.51 | Whistleboy | any idea why cups web page doens't work on port 631? |
| 05:45.51 | streuner_ | *cough* |
| 05:45.53 | wasabi | streuner, i just want apt to reinstall the package, including conf files |
| 05:45.56 | Whistleboy | It used to |
| 05:45.59 | Whistleboy | I thought |
| 05:46.02 | mame | oops |
| 05:46.34 | mame | wasabi: um it has dpkg -L listed as well as in /usr/share/doc |
| 05:46.40 | mame | sometimes ... |
| 05:46.47 | cskaterun | bah |
| 05:47.34 | cskaterun | I installed 2.6.6 via apt, I appended the lilo.conf, ran lilo, and restarted but it says I need to append the "ROOT" variable correctly and then panics? |
| 05:47.48 | cskaterun | I have it set to /dev/hda2 in the lilo.conf |
| 05:47.53 | cskaterun | is there anything else? |
| 05:48.15 | mame | cskaterun: or you can man rdev for using it on the kernel |
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| 05:48.35 | cskaterun | mame: what do you mean? |
| 05:48.36 | streuner_ | cskaterun: make sure you edit /etc/lilo.conf with initrd.img line and install lilo in MBR |
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| 05:49.26 | mame | streuner: can rdev not solve that? |
| 05:49.26 | cskaterun | where do I put the initrd.img line? |
| 05:49.35 | bob2 | stop it |
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| 05:49.42 | bob2 | DO NTO TELL PEOPLE TO USE RDEV |
| 05:49.46 | streuner_ | man lilo.conf |
| 05:49.48 | cskaterun | it starts booting, but then panics |
| 05:49.53 | deejoe | cskaterun: you said you have /dev/hda2 for boot. but where is your root partition? |
| 05:50.03 | cskaterun | /dev/hda2 |
| 05:50.04 | mame | bob2: well i thought it might help, i've used it without problem ;_) |
| 05:50.11 | bob2 | cskaterun: you didn't add the initrd line to lilo.conf and/or forgot to rerun liloe |
| 05:50.28 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.28 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.34 | bob2 | shock/horror |
| 05:51.05 | sbetore | What to apt-get to run a thin-client server? |
| 05:51.13 | mame | cskaterun: listen to bob2 he knows what he's saying |
| 05:51.36 | bob2 | sbetore: can you be more vague? |
| 05:51.53 | sbetore | bob2: Easily. |
| 05:51.58 | sbetore | bob2: DWIM! |
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| 05:52.03 | sbetore | bob2: ;) |
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| 05:52.09 | cskaterun | okay, lemme restart and try this |
| 05:52.13 | cskaterun | be right back |
| 05:52.20 | bob2 | install X servers on the clients, X clients on the server. |
| 05:52.21 | bob2 | all done. |
| 05:52.43 | sbetore | bob2: There's this apt package that sets up a thin client server for tftp and all that (plus the oblig bag of chips) |
| 05:52.44 | mame | bob2: squash rom fs is that related to cd boots? |
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| 05:53.19 | bob2 | mame: do you mean cramfs? no, it's only related to using initrd's, which some cds (including sarge's install ones) use. |
| 05:53.37 | Rohan|Linux | hey are you guys having a problem connecting to one of hte apt-get servers? |
| 05:53.41 | sbetore | bob2: You know - - LTSP-like stuff, with the DHCP and the TFTP and the Mmm--haiai |
| 05:53.59 | bob2 | Rohan|Linux: there are hundreds of debian mirrors, you'd need to be a LOT more specific. |
| 05:54.32 | bob2 | sbetore: oh, haven't heard of that. |
| 05:54.35 | guestish | apt-spy |
| 05:54.44 | Rohan|Linux | ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 05:54.55 | bob2 | Rohan|Linux: try another one. |
| 05:55.02 | bob2 | sbetore: pxesconfig? |
| 05:55.12 | markybob | Rohan|Linux, apt-setup |
| 05:55.31 | sbetore | !dpkg show pxesconfig |
| 05:55.50 | Rohan|Linux | apt-setup? |
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| 05:56.23 | bob2 | a triple handshake is stupid here |
| 05:56.33 | sbk | sbetore: closest i've seen is diskless; but it's rather crude, and just sets up exportable file systems for thin clients, but not the services per se |
| 05:56.39 | bob2 | when someone mentions a program or package you haven't heard of, run "apt-cache search WHATEVER" first. |
| 05:56.56 | bob2 | 99.9999999999% of the time you have your answer there, no need to bother people here |
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| 05:57.12 | sbk | sbetore: where thin client == root over nfs and private /etc and /var essentially |
| 05:58.22 | mame | sbk: i've read diskless can also mean that you can create a bootdisk to get the thinclient up working- buzz words |
| 05:58.36 | mame | sbk: 'cuse i'm stuck working on a freeze..:( |
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| 05:59.09 | Rohan|Linux | hmm... |
| 05:59.19 | sbetore | bob2: I'm doing debootstrap |
| 05:59.34 | sbetore | bob2: But you're still right, I should open another SSH window :) |
| 05:59.51 | Rohan|Linux | just curious about another thing.... besides the joyous feeling of being an elitist... why dont you consider knoppix debian |
| 06:01.03 | bob2 | Rohan|Linux: because it's broken in many non-debian ways |
| 06:01.19 | Rohan|Linux | what do you mean? |
| 06:01.27 | bob2 | 16:06:17 bob2 | Rohan|Linux: because it's broken in many non-debian ways |
| 06:01.30 | bob2 | it's broken |
| 06:01.35 | bob2 | in lots of ways that Debian *isn't* |
| 06:01.35 | Rohan|Linux | ............. |
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| 06:01.43 | bob2 | ie knoppix-specific problems |
| 06:01.45 | Rohan|Linux | how is it broken then |
| 06:01.46 | Rohan|Linux | ok |
| 06:01.48 | bob2 | ie Not Our Problem |
| 06:01.52 | bob2 | broken packages |
| 06:01.53 | Rohan|Linux | ic |
| 06:01.59 | Rohan|Linux | but that's different than it not being debian |
| 06:02.03 | bob2 | "foo won't install!" "foo does install on Debian" |
| 06:02.07 | bob2 | um, no it's not |
| 06:02.10 | bob2 | it's Not Debian |
| 06:02.19 | bob2 | the name should be a hint, it's called "Knoppix". |
| 06:02.29 | bob2 | Debian is called "Debian" |
| 06:02.35 | gravity | I count two letters shared between them |
| 06:02.40 | Rohan|Linux | heh |
| 06:02.46 | gravity | That means they're teh s4m3! |
| 06:02.52 | Rohan|Linux | brb |
| 06:03.06 | streuner_ | Pizza is Canneloni, true or NOT? |
| 06:03.31 | bob2 | Calzone! |
| 06:03.32 | streuner_ | well, but it have the same integridits? |
| 06:03.38 | mame | bob2: there's a cool program not in the depositories that deserves a peek, its called nvu, it looks excellent for making wysiwyg for websites |
| 06:03.42 | streuner_ | !spell integrids |
| 06:03.43 | dpkg | I can't find alternate spellings for 'integrids' |
| 06:03.46 | streuner_ | bah |
| 06:03.58 | bob2 | mame: yeah, heard of that, it's from Lindows...is it Free? |
| 06:04.05 | mauro | I dont speak English. I am Brazilian. What I do? |
| 06:04.28 | bob2 | mauro: /j #debian-br |
| 06:04.49 | markybob | bob2, it is gpl |
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| 06:05.03 | bob2 | ah, cool |
| 06:05.12 | bob2 | "somone" should package it ;) |
| 06:05.14 | bob2 | graaaaaaavity. |
| 06:05.16 | markybob | not me :) |
| 06:05.26 | gravity | bob2: That is so out of my realm of expertise :-) |
| 06:05.27 | peterS | bob2: see /topic in another channel |
| 06:05.31 | bob2 | gravity: RFP in sector 12! |
| 06:05.34 | gravity | bob2: You're the one who needs a package in the archive! |
| 06:05.34 | mauro | bob2 I need more details. |
| 06:05.35 | mame | bob2: yep its open source and free and looks cool http://www.nvu.com/ |
| 06:06.03 | bob2 | mauro: huh? go to the #debian-br channel |
| 06:06.03 | gravity | I'm busy letting mine go in favor of doc/q&a |
| 06:06.03 | kernel-panic | hi guys, does anybody have any strange problems with some packages from gnome 2.6 (nautilus, gthumb, gnome-panel...)? |
| 06:06.03 | markybob | mame, so package it. and maintain it |
| 06:06.03 | bob2 | peterS: hahaha, true |
| 06:06.06 | bob2 | kernel-panic: if anyone did, it would be in the BTS |
| 06:06.16 | mame | markybob: bob2 is better at it :-) |
| 06:06.19 | bob2 | gravity: give me a week, i'm a-working on it! |
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| 06:06.26 | gravity | bob2: Really? On what? |
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| 06:06.33 | deejoe | "Now anyone can create web pages and manage a website with no technical expertise or knowledge of HTML." I thought they called those "blogs" |
| 06:06.37 | markybob | mame, aint hard. read the docs on debian.org |
| 06:06.38 | mame | markybob: yep, if you did see it ? |
| 06:06.40 | bob2 | gravity: hrm, nm-stall-o-matic, tbh ;) |
| 06:06.43 | zezom | how does one force a cdrom to eject even if it is in use? |
| 06:06.50 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 06:06.50 | bob2 | deejoe: haha |
| 06:06.55 | bob2 | zezom: kill what's using it |
| 06:06.59 | gravity | bob2: Can't say I blame you, at current rates :-) |
| 06:07.05 | zezom | bob2, I can't find what killing it |
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| 06:07.08 | markybob | mame, if i did see what? the docs? yes, i've packaged many programs before. or if i've seen nvu? yes, i've toyed with it |
| 06:07.09 | zezom | using it |
| 06:07.12 | mame | markybob: well i haven't had experience but i'll try |
| 06:07.20 | gravity | bob2: Besides, elmo has already packaged that. He's been maintaining it quite well for years. |
| 06:07.30 | kernel-panic | bob2: the programs are crashing with no apparent reason... I'll need to check everything I have done to know if it's related to my things... |
| 06:07.58 | zezom | bob2, is there a way to list what's using it? |
| 06:08.15 | bob2 | zezom: "fuser -v /mnt/cdrom" (or whatever) |
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| 06:08.29 | bob2 | gravity: ssssssh, They might be listening! |
| 06:08.39 | bob2 | kernel-panic: run debsums. does it show corruption? |
| 06:08.44 | gravity | Oh no! Tehy! |
| 06:09.04 | bob2 | kernel-panic: if not, make a new user and see if it crashes for them. if so, file a bug. |
| 06:09.04 | zezom | bob2, thanks it was mplayer... didn't even know I had it open :p |
| 06:09.10 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:09.24 | kernel-panic | bob2: second option, I have already done |
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| 06:09.34 | kernel-panic | bob2: first I'll try now |
| 06:09.55 | sciboy | Hi, can someone help me install alsa? I am running kernel-2.6.5-1-k7 :( |
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| 06:10.02 | bob2 | oh god, nvu needs a full mozilla CVS checkout to build |
| 06:10.05 | mame | markybob: where can i go to join posting packages? |
| 06:10.42 | streuner_ | sciboy: edit /etc/modules and comment the line with OSS and run alsaconf |
| 06:10.47 | markybob | mame, by join posting packages you mean getting your packages included in debian or what? |
| 06:10.49 | mame | bob2: true, it's a lazy piggyback just like firefox |
| 06:10.50 | sbetore | sciboy: apt-get alsa-utils alsamixer |
| 06:10.55 | sbetore | sciboy: Should work for you :) |
| 06:11.09 | bob2 | mame: yeah, firefox has it's own tree, tho, nvu is mozilla + files dropped on top of it |
| 06:11.10 | mame | markybob: well i have no clue |
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| 06:11.18 | bob2 | a project for another day |
| 06:11.33 | sbetore | O |
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| 06:12.06 | mame | bob2: what browser should come out is one facing the tidiness of the opera team, they just came out with 7,5 on linux, i'm sure a few mozilla piggybacks should team up and make one decent one |
| 06:12.25 | sbetore | I've got a problem. I'm doing a debootstrap from a custom knoppix-based live-cd, and when I configure stuff, and chroot to the new directory, I get /dev/null: Permission Denied, which screws up everything, needless to say |
| 06:12.39 | sbetore | Why can't i cat to /dev/null in a chroot? |
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| 06:13.21 | sbetore | I just wiped my old root partition and I'm hanging by the edge of a livecd here |
| 06:13.25 | sbetore | help...? |
| 06:13.38 | mame | sbetore: i thought #knoppix has instructions for upgrades |
| 06:13.40 | sbetore | Hmm, I'll try woody. |
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| 06:14.12 | mame | sbestore: its' possible to try the crude debootstrap with a chroot. |
| 06:14.12 | sbetore | Oh dear God... I just realized I just asked a Knoppix question in #debian |
| 06:14.22 | sbetore | ohmygodsorrysorrysorry |
| 06:14.26 | mame | sbetore: but its really ugly..i did it on an old crap system for the hell of it |
| 06:14.50 | sbetore | Please don't hit me... |
| 06:14.51 | sciboy | struener_, sbetore, Both didn't help :( |
| 06:15.02 | sciboy | struener_, sbetore, It says it still cant find the device :( |
| 06:15.06 | gravity | sbetore: It's a good thing you apologized. We've canceled the death squad that was sent to your home. |
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| 06:15.37 | sbetore | gravity: Hmm, you're right, I can see them outside my window, they're retreating now, thanks. |
| 06:15.38 | ardy | does anyone know how to change file associations so when you click on a file it loads it with a spacific program |
| 06:15.47 | sbetore | sciboy: Oh! Then you need to insert the driver :) |
| 06:16.10 | sciboy | sbetore, how? I am using a Sound blaster Live 5.1 :P |
| 06:16.16 | Rohan|Linux | so... when i try to run apt-get update it cant find one of the servers... |
| 06:16.17 | sbetore | sciboy: Most likely you should apt-get install hw-detect or whatever it was called - it loads all the modules you'll need. |
| 06:16.32 | mame | ardy: i don't believe there's any association daemon i heard of other than near-to kde and gnome on their file-managers |
| 06:17.05 | Darvids0n | my debian won't even install! it hangs loading the rescue disk |
| 06:17.09 | mame | ardy: if you're like me, i use xfe which i can use without problems in any window manager |
| 06:17.20 | ardy | mame: whats xfe? |
| 06:17.33 | mame | mame: its a dual pane file explorer |
| 06:17.38 | deejoe | sbetore: have you seen the chroot install write-ups at http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian ? |
| 06:17.44 | ardy | mame: all I want to do is associate pdf files with the adobe acrobat |
| 06:17.44 | mame | ardy: its easy to put associations |
| 06:18.16 | mame | ardy: yes, but what goddam file explorer, i'm assuming you're thinking there's one, which there isn't |
| 06:18.22 | sciboy | sbetore, Kudzu? Discover? |
| 06:18.24 | sbetore | deejoe: No, and I won't, either. I'll just install woody, bootloader, then dist-upgrade. |
| 06:18.37 | sbetore | sciboy: discover, thanks. |
| 06:18.50 | sciboy | sbetore, discover isn't working properly...? |
| 06:19.12 | sbetore | Hey, waitaminute, aren't the Live cards the ones with the binary-only evil evil drivers? |
| 06:19.25 | sciboy | sbetore, Status message: Failed loading configuration file file:////etc/discover.conf |
| 06:19.33 | ardy | mame: file explorer, you mean like konqueror |
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| 06:19.45 | mame | sbetore: you know there's 3.4 that's out came out about few weeks ago, more packs and crap |
| 06:20.30 | mame | ardy: um, konqueror is not just a plain x app, you're more suitably to check out kde stuff |
| 06:20.31 | sbetore | mame: I think (AKA hope and pretend) this will work. |
| 06:20.59 | mame | sbetore: are you ignorant? i already said i did it on an old system |
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| 06:21.21 | kernel-panic | bob2: hey, sorry for logging out |
| 06:21.27 | kernel-panic | bob2: tnx for the help |
| 06:21.40 | mame | sbetore: but for the plain dumminess of it to see if i can do it..since nothing else was working on a crap compaq deskpro.. |
| 06:21.41 | kernel-panic | bob2: libgnomeui was missing one file |
| 06:21.47 | kernel-panic | bob2: god knows why |
| 06:21.57 | deejoe | sbetore: your /dev/null problem is because the filesystem is mounted nodev |
| 06:22.46 | sbetore | deejoe: How, Oh, How, may I mount it otherwise? |
| 06:22.58 | sciboy | hmmm... I need a replacement discover.conf file... Can anybody lend me one? |
| 06:23.00 | deejoe | mount -odev,remount /mnt/whatever |
| 06:23.02 | ardy | mame: well, I using knoqueror, I was able to assciate pdfs with adobe acrobat.. |
| 06:23.13 | deejoe | this is outside of the chroot |
| 06:23.29 | ardy | mame: but for the future, for example, If I made my own file type, how would I associate it? |
| 06:23.29 | mame | ardy: its actually slower than it should, try like um, xpdf or another.. |
| 06:23.41 | ardy | mame: ok |
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| 06:24.20 | mame | ardy: make use of the 'file' command to know the file-type, don't go visual |
| 06:24.38 | faxo | quelqu'un ici a deja utiliser un sagem fast 908 sur du free dégroupé ? |
| 06:24.57 | mame | ardy: visual as thinking because there's a cute dot .xxx that its an xxx type file, but the 'file' command in the shell gives better hinting |
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| 06:25.25 | ardy | mame: the file command?? |
| 06:25.25 | mohadib | hello |
| 06:26.02 | faxo | does anybody here ever used a sagem fast 908 ? |
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| 06:26.59 | mame | ardy: because you can always rename your extension, eg file 'abc.cpp' would make file read the contents and look up its database for a match of data type being contained, but not all file formats are in its database...just letting you know, associates has nothing to do with filetype |
| 06:27.30 | mame | ardy: konqueror is just dumb, it assumes the file is of that format |
| 06:27.38 | sciboy | Can anyone please send me their discover.conf file? Mine is corrupt :( |
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| 06:28.35 | mohadib | sciboy: http://mohadib.homelinux.com/discover.conf |
| 06:28.37 | ardy | mame: oh... ok.. well I was wondering because If I were to develop my won file format for a pice of software that I developed, I should use file to associate that file type? |
| 06:28.47 | deejoe | faxo: have you tried to search google? www.andesi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17755 |
| 06:29.07 | sciboy | mohadib, ThanX ^^ |
| 06:29.11 | mohadib | np |
| 06:29.26 | faxo | deejoe, tried it, just want to get someone personnal advice on what could be difficult in the config of this hardware |
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| 06:30.45 | ardy | mame: this is an unrelated question, but the kde find file app hangs for some reason, any ideas? |
| 06:31.01 | mame | ardy: well you can leave file out of the question, but it's used say you're working with dos text files and unix text files, you can try it and see that the results would be different since these two text files are different in a certain way.. |
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| 06:31.36 | ardy | mame: oh.. |
| 06:31.39 | mame | ardy: even though you can have non .txt files for linux text files, extensions are meaningless |
| 06:32.02 | ardy | mame: oh... so what attributes the icons to the files? |
| 06:32.06 | mame | ardy: its probably a stupid ms invention again |
| 06:32.14 | ardy | mame : haha |
| 06:33.40 | mame | ardy: that's up to the type of file manager you're using, icons are useless |
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| 06:35.09 | ardy | mame: oh.. ok.. I didn't know that.. I thought It was similer to windoz ;) |
| 06:35.09 | sciboy | sbetore, Still isn't working :( |
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| 06:35.18 | sciboy | sbetore, Do i need to restart or something? |
| 06:35.37 | ardy | mame: anyway.. kde find file crashes on me all the time, what could be wring? |
| 06:36.07 | mame | ardy: windows does the same thing though, though it's more dumb since it makes you think that they are registered universal types in computers, which is essentially not true, its just a convenience to a front end explorer |
| 06:36.23 | mame | ardy: #kde |
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| 06:36.45 | kremlyn | What is the best way to hose a HDD from a shell? |
| 06:36.48 | sciboy | I can't seem to get my sound working... No such Device :( but the drivers is loaded and everything... |
| 06:37.10 | kreg | can tcpdump or tetheral (or something) be used to watch the in and out traffic of an ip address on the network instead of an etire device like eth1 ? |
| 06:37.22 | ardy | mame: how do I switch to #kde? (I'm using X chat) |
| 06:37.31 | kreg | ardy type /join #kde |
| 06:37.35 | mame | ardy: /join #channel |
| 06:38.03 | streuner | sciboy: did you run 'alsaconf'? |
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| 06:38.27 | mame | kreg: i think you have to be root |
| 06:38.30 | ardy | Kreg, mame:thanks |
| 06:38.49 | kreg | i have root for this network |
| 06:39.15 | kreg | i tried tcpdump -i <ipaddy> but the man page seems to refer to devices only |
| 06:39.28 | kreg | got a questionable user and i am no true admin |
| 06:39.33 | sbk | kremlyn: I suppose running shred on /dev/hdx ought to be good for some laughs :-) |
| 06:39.37 | mame | kreg: are you on a bridge? |
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| 06:39.42 | sciboy | streuner_, Yep... |
| 06:39.42 | kreg | i'm a newguy on thejob. |
| 06:39.46 | kreg | mame firewall box |
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| 06:40.05 | mame | kreg: ask your boss, he must surely know |
| 06:40.14 | mame | idiot |
| 06:40.15 | mame | haha |
| 06:40.16 | kreg | i am him. |
| 06:40.16 | ghlk | any .deb for ati drivers?/ |
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| 06:40.19 | Peaker | hmm.. Why is it that popen()'ing to mpg321 and pumping data into it is different from piping it into it via the shell? |
| 06:40.32 | kreg | it's a college housing apartment, gimme a break |
| 06:40.32 | streuner | sciboy: so ALSA worked, means did you hear something? |
| 06:40.54 | ghlk | ati 9200 that is |
| 06:40.57 | ardy | kreg: what college? |
| 06:41.00 | kreg | byui |
| 06:41.02 | sbetore | deejoe: Thanks, it worked |
| 06:41.12 | sciboy | streuner, no... Maybe i got OSS installed? |
| 06:41.15 | deejoe | sbetore: good to hear |
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| 06:41.20 | sbetore | sciboy: I'm really sorry, but I'm too busy, and halfway uncouncious to help you |
| 06:41.33 | cse | samba is borked on unstable? |
| 06:41.44 | streuner | cse: check out BTS |
| 06:41.48 | cse | thanks |
| 06:42.02 | ghlk | any .deb for ati drivers? (ati 9200) |
| 06:42.20 | ardy | kreg: oh.. do youg go there? I go to OSU (Oregon State Universtity) |
| 06:42.22 | streuner | sciboy: so you commented the OSS module out (/etc/modules)? |
| 06:42.32 | kreg | yup |
| 06:42.50 | kreg | my roomates girlfriend is from oregon |
| 06:42.54 | streuner | sciboy: s/out/ / |
| 06:42.56 | kreg | yes, a 3d real life girl |
| 06:43.00 | sciboy | streuner, there isn't a OSS thing in there 0_o |
| 06:43.09 | streuner | ok |
| 06:43.21 | ardy | does anyone know if there are any adware/spyware removal programs for linux? |
| 06:43.38 | streuner | sciboy: do you use discover or kudzu? |
| 06:43.46 | Peaker | ardy: there are no adware/spyware programs for Linux, so why removal programs? |
| 06:43.58 | kreg | is it just me, or is tcpdump and tethereal the same man page |
| 06:44.00 | sciboy | streuner, discover is all i could get working :P |
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| 06:44.19 | ardy | Peaker: oh.. i did not know.. thats good |
| 06:44.33 | deejoe | kreg: tcpdump host foo.bar.blah.org |
| 06:44.34 | streuner | sciboy: so how the hell did you get any sound at all working in the past? |
| 06:44.35 | ardy | I figured someone would hav emade some by now |
| 06:44.38 | deejoe | will watch just one host |
| 06:45.12 | sciboy | streuner, i didn't... it was working from the beginning... |
| 06:45.15 | kreg | deejoe can foo.bar.blah.org be an ip instead? |
| 06:45.19 | deejoe | yeah |
| 06:45.23 | deejoe | man tcpdump |
| 06:45.46 | streuner | sciboy: out of the box in debian, no. |
| 06:46.11 | cse | streuner, i don't see anything < 110 days old |
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| 06:46.25 | sciboy | streuner, well it was working second i kicked in KDE :P |
| 06:46.42 | streuner | cse: hm, sounds good to me then... |
| 06:46.51 | streuner | ARTS! |
| 06:47.27 | cse | even on samba's package page on debian, one of the packages is unavailable |
| 06:47.55 | streuner | sciboy: when you run 'alsaconf' is there an 'working' dialog which showed you the module for your soundcard? |
| 06:48.06 | streuner | s/is/was/ |
| 06:48.39 | sciboy | streuner, yep... |
| 06:48.40 | cse | specifically: samba: Depends: libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.20final-1) but it is not installable |
| 06:49.19 | sciboy | streuner, actually there was a few of them ^^ |
| 06:49.21 | streuner | true |
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| 06:49.52 | streuner | cse: so what stops you to write a bugreport? |
| 06:50.27 | cse | i will if need be.. just wanted to make sure i'm not missing anything. |
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| 06:50.56 | merlin0 | hello |
| 06:51.03 | mohadib | hello |
| 06:51.11 | sciboy | hello |
| 06:52.12 | merlin0 | I like a webchat but when I use firefox under windows, webchat scroll down and is good, when under linux it scrolls up and is not good, how can I change this? |
| 06:52.18 | merlin0 | sorry for my english |
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| 06:52.57 | sciboy | streuner, any ideas? |
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| 06:53.22 | streuner | sciboy: purge the config-files of ALSA, run 'alsaconf' again. |
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| 06:53.52 | sciboy | streuner, and what should i do different? |
| 06:54.19 | Desiac | can anyone suggest a good server side spam filtering package |
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| 06:54.22 | streuner | sciboy: no idea, just try it. |
| 06:54.31 | mohadib | Desiac: spam assasin |
| 06:54.36 | sciboy | streuner, where are the alsa config-files? |
| 06:55.07 | streuner | sciboy: usually in /etc/* might be /etc/alsa or such |
| 06:55.14 | Desiac | mohadib: thanx mate :) just readin up on en now, seems to be the goods |
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| 06:55.26 | mohadib | Desiac: its good stuff |
| 06:55.30 | ardy | hey.. I probably know the answer but I'm hope'n... is there a outlook web thing for linux, because some of my classes for school use an embeded outlook thing in the webbrowser at the class web page.. |
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| 06:56.06 | mgk | i installed ATI drivers for my radeon 9200SE using the instructions on the website given by dpkg - it all installed fine, as far as i can see, but it won't work - do i need to remcompile kernel or something? |
| 06:56.13 | mohadib | ardy outlook can export to the ... iCalander format ... evolution can import that format |
| 06:56.31 | merlin0 | mgk: there is kernel driver for ati drm? |
| 06:56.49 | ardy | mohadib:is there a web plugin for it so that it will be vbiewd in mozilla |
| 06:56.58 | mgk | fglrx |
| 06:57.13 | mohadib | ardy: i dont know ... sorry |
| 06:57.28 | merlin0 | mgk: is that module loaded? |
| 06:57.32 | mgk | yeah |
| 06:57.36 | mgk | i'm pretty sure |
| 06:57.41 | mohadib | ardy: maybe use vmware :( |
| 06:58.07 | mgk | this is new territory for me, so i'm not too sure about it all |
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| 06:58.51 | merlin0 | mgk: x module for radeon must talk with kernel module for radeon |
| 06:59.24 | sciboy | streuner, there is no files in /etc/alsa... Only a directory :( |
| 06:59.25 | merlin0 | mgk: read documentation about drm |
| 06:59.30 | deejoe | mgk: recent ati cards don't have drm yet. I don't remember which ones, though. |
| 06:59.37 | sciboy | streuner, and that directory is empty too... |
| 06:59.55 | mgk | ok |
| 06:59.56 | mgk | thank you |
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| 07:01.29 | smokey | re all |
| 07:01.37 | hjld | anyone have a link to the ati linux drivers? |
| 07:01.38 | sciboy | lsmod |
| 07:01.43 | smokey | i really need help |
| 07:01.45 | sciboy | oops... wrong application :p |
| 07:01.59 | sbetore | I'm installing a deb base system |
| 07:02.20 | smokey | i get permission denied errors on /usr/lib/<some stuff here> |
| 07:02.22 | smokey | as root |
| 07:02.24 | sbetore | And I want the locales to be nb_NO, but NOT the language of the strings! Is this doable? |
| 07:02.33 | smokey | fsck.reisergfs said the fs is ok |
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| 07:02.41 | hjld | im stuck in console so i can't only wget stuff |
| 07:02.49 | smokey | can anybody help? |
| 07:02.55 | reborn | no |
| 07:03.17 | smokey | reborn: ewas that for me? |
| 07:03.20 | coolnewbie | i cant load the printer admin interface on localhost:631 after installing cups how do i fix it |
| 07:03.24 | reborn | ? |
| 07:03.45 | smokey | nothing |
| 07:03.57 | buu__ | I installed kernel-source-2.4.26, but when I compiled a module, it says my current kernel version is 2.4.26-1-686, can I get this source code or what? |
| 07:03.57 | smokey | so, anybody? |
| 07:04.12 | deejoe | hjld: http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi might help |
| 07:04.28 | deejoe | try it with lynx or w3m |
| 07:04.33 | buu__ | Hrm. I'll try kernel-headers |
| 07:04.34 | buu__ | =/. |
| 07:04.49 | reborn | w3mimg good |
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| 07:05.37 | sciboy | streuner, do i need to create a link between /dev/dsp and something maybe? |
| 07:05.40 | ardy | weird: My computer just randomly shut off |
| 07:05.53 | reborn | ghost |
| 07:05.53 | ardy | for no reason at all |
| 07:05.54 | buu__ | ardy: windows? |
| 07:05.59 | ardy | na linux |
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| 07:06.24 | reborn | overclock? |
| 07:06.27 | sciboy | *sigh* |
| 07:06.46 | ardy | no... |
| 07:07.22 | sciboy | No ideas why i can't get alsa working? Theres no alsa config files in /etc/alsa and most applications keep telling me no such device, but i have already loaded emu10k successfully... |
| 07:07.26 | hjld | deejoe: a direct link would really help if possible, no web browser availible |
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| 07:08.04 | wobbler | sciboy alsa uses snd_emu10k1 |
| 07:08.05 | deejoe | hjld: if you have a network connection, you should be able to apt-get install lynx or apt-get install w3m, which are web browsers that work in a console. |
| 07:08.19 | hjld | will |
| 07:08.19 | sciboy | woddler... and??? |
| 07:08.21 | hjld | will do |
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| 07:08.37 | wobbler | emu10k1 is for oss |
| 07:08.59 | sciboy | snd_emu10k1 is working... |
| 07:09.20 | wobbler | ok you should have sound working then |
| 07:09.34 | dawg | sciboy, run alsaconf? |
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| 07:09.45 | sciboy | dawg, done to no avail.... |
| 07:09.59 | buu__ | sciboy: have you set the mixer? |
| 07:10.05 | sciboy | dawg, does the lack of files in the /etc/alsa folder have anything to do with it.. |
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| 07:10.13 | sciboy | buu__, just alsamixergui ^^ |
| 07:10.21 | deejoe | it isn't something as simple as adding your account to the audio group is it, sciboy (just a stab in the dark) |
| 07:10.40 | sbetore | Wish me luck, I'm rebooting into my new Debian sys |
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| 07:10.43 | sciboy | deejoe, nope... my account is already in the 'sound' group ^^ |
| 07:11.18 | sciboy | deejoe, s/sound/audio |
| 07:11.24 | buu__ | hrm |
| 07:11.32 | buu__ | How do I "unload" a module? |
| 07:11.36 | Supaplex | sciboy: and it's there when you type id? (w/no user) |
| 07:11.38 | deejoe | modprobe -r modulename |
| 07:12.13 | sciboy | Supaplex, id??? |
| 07:12.27 | sciboy | Supaplex, i just type adduser sciboy audio and it tells me its there... |
| 07:12.31 | Supaplex | sciboy: run id on cli |
| 07:12.53 | lknyshov | id -a preferrably. |
| 07:13.18 | Supaplex | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp do anything? (as the user, not root) should provide white noise. |
| 07:13.42 | sciboy | Supaplex, 29(audio) |
| 07:14.31 | sciboy | Supaplex, nope :( |
| 07:15.23 | deejoe | < Supaplex> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 07:15.26 | deejoe | that's kind of cool |
| 07:15.38 | teh | !tell teh mbr |
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| 07:16.23 | sciboy | :( |
| 07:16.28 | sciboy | I am so confuzzled... |
| 07:16.36 | Supaplex | deejoe: tcpdump -w - > /dev/dsp |
| 07:16.43 | Supaplex | that's fun to :) network noise hehe |
| 07:16.44 | deejoe | whoah |
| 07:16.51 | sciboy | So whats the procedure for installing ALSA? Maybe theres something i missed... |
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| 07:17.05 | Supaplex | or use -Xw - > |
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| 07:17.12 | Hawkspirit | hi all |
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| 07:17.35 | deejoe | not sure I'm up for trying that, since that would require elevated perms to put my nic in promiscuous mode |
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| 07:17.55 | kreg | i got a hardware raid controller. will i need any special options in menuconfig? |
| 07:18.08 | buu__ | sciboy: you said something about emu101k or something? |
| 07:18.31 | sciboy | buu__, snd_emu10k1 ^^ |
| 07:18.37 | Hawkspirit | i'm using debian woody and installed oidentd via apt-get , oidentd runs as nobody |
| 07:18.45 | buu__ | sciboy: I had decent luck getting my sound car working by just selecting it when I installed debian |
| 07:18.51 | Hawkspirit | but oidentd doesn't work |
| 07:18.51 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:18.53 | lknyshov | I am curious if that sound card driver is loaded to begin with... |
| 07:18.54 | buu__ | I did bf24, and looked in the kernel options |
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| 07:19.07 | buu__ | it had a driver for my sound card, I selected it there and everything was happy |
| 07:19.07 | sbetore | WHOO |
| 07:19.09 | Hawkspirit | if I run oidentd as root it works |
| 07:19.17 | Hawkspirit | but that's not a solution |
| 07:19.19 | sbetore | It worked :) |
| 07:19.24 | Hawkspirit | what can I do? |
| 07:19.29 | lknyshov | sciboy: does it work as root? |
| 07:19.34 | lizard | Hi, is there a command for counting line in a file? |
| 07:19.34 | sbetore | Installing X as we speak :) |
| 07:19.39 | buu__ | lizard: wc-l |
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| 07:19.48 | lknyshov | lizard: wc -l file |
| 07:19.48 | sbetore | lizard: wc -l |
| 07:20.00 | sciboy | lknyshov, How would i know? ^^ |
| 07:20.02 | sbetore | buu__: Erm, no - lknyshov did. |
| 07:20.15 | buu__ | sbetore: Bah, mine is still an answer |
| 07:20.15 | lknyshov | hehehe |
| 07:20.19 | sbetore | buu__: He supplied the best one. |
| 07:20.27 | buu__ | You're just jealous |
| 07:20.32 | lizard | Thanks |
| 07:20.42 | lknyshov | sciboy: Well, you see, you are trying to setup audio, but you are also trying it with lower priveleges. Why make it more complicated? |
| 07:21.14 | sciboy | lknyshov, huh? I am doing all this with root? |
| 07:21.20 | lknyshov | Get it working as root, then it's just a quick matter of adjusting permissions. |
| 07:21.32 | dli | any good text editor for Chinese? |
| 07:21.35 | lknyshov | sciboy: yet you mentioned non-root users. |
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| 07:21.53 | buu__ | Anyways. I'm trying to install a module that I need to compile against my current kernel source. I'm running kernel "kernel-image-2.4.26-1-686", and I did install kernel-source.2.4.26, what do I do to "upgrade" my source so it matches my kernel? |
| 07:21.54 | Hawkspirit | hmm |
| 07:22.07 | buu__ | I see theres a kernel-build package and a kernel headers, but what do I do after I apt-get them? |
| 07:22.17 | sciboy | lknyshov, so? I run XMMS under a normal account ^^ |
| 07:22.37 | lknyshov | sciboy: does XMMS work under root? |
| 07:22.38 | dli | buu__: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 07:22.51 | dli | lknyshov: why not? |
| 07:22.54 | buu__ | dli: I'm doing that right now, will that make everything automagically work? |
| 07:22.59 | sbetore | DAMNIT, is X borked in unstable? |
| 07:23.15 | lknyshov | If you can get it to work under root account, making it work under non-root accounts is a walk in the park :) |
| 07:23.30 | dli | buu__: no, you have to get kernel-source, and configure it before compiling |
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| 07:23.56 | buu__ | dli: I already have the kernel-source, what do I do once I have both packages installed? |
| 07:24.12 | sciboy | lknyshov, I'll find out now ^^ |
| 07:24.13 | dli | buu__: go to /usr/src, untar it |
| 07:24.28 | buu__ | which |
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| 07:24.48 | buu__ | ? |
| 07:24.55 | dli | buu__: kernel-source-2.#.##.tar.bz2 |
| 07:25.03 | buu__ | dli: k, done, |
| 07:25.22 | lknyshov | sciboy: good, let's see if we can make it work. I still remembr the default IRQ/DMA settings for most cards ;-) |
| 07:25.27 | buu__ | Well, it will be done. |
| 07:25.40 | dli | buu__: go to the kernel-source folder, make menuconfig then. |
| 07:25.58 | sciboy | lknyshov, the program runs and plays the file, but i am still not getting any audio coming through... |
| 07:26.07 | buu__ | dli: K, one sec, stuff is processing |
| 07:26.32 | lknyshov | sciboy: that's normal. And I presume your volume is not muted, right? :) |
| 07:27.20 | buu__ | dli: k, making menu config. |
| 07:27.42 | lknyshov | Isn't there an X interface to kernel config? Should be nicer. |
| 07:27.58 | buu__ | dli: k, I did make menuconfig and accepted all the defaults, now what? |
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| 07:28.46 | Peaker | is popen() the same as the pipe opened by the shell's pipe? |
| 07:28.48 | sbetore | lknyshov: There are three X interfaces, one X, one k, one g. |
| 07:28.48 | buu__ | make dep? |
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| 07:28.52 | Peaker | or is it limited to 4K chunk sending? |
| 07:28.53 | sbetore | lknyshov: But they all suck :) |
| 07:29.12 | dli | buu__: you have to make your choices :( |
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| 07:29.19 | buu__ | dli: er, what sort of choices? |
| 07:29.29 | lknyshov | sbetore: lol things haven't changed much then :-D |
| 07:29.35 | dli | buu__: at lest your hardwares :( |
| 07:29.44 | buu__ | dli: I'm using the old config as the default |
| 07:29.54 | Etan | anyone here able to tell me whether the information shown for packages for things like apt-cache show is the information from a packages .dsc file? |
| 07:29.57 | dli | buu__: make oldconfig |
| 07:30.08 | buu__ | ok.. |
| 07:30.28 | buu__ | done. |
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| 07:30.30 | sbetore | DAMNIT - am I the only one that is experiencing a case of "NOTHING WORKS!" on unstable? |
| 07:30.41 | coolnewbie | i cant load the printer admin interface on localhost:631 after installing cups how do i fix it |
| 07:30.47 | dli | buu__: make-kpkg --revision=c.1.0 kernel-image |
| 07:30.56 | sbetore | Pretty much every single package won't install |
| 07:31.14 | buu__ | dli: k |
| 07:31.14 | sbetore | perl, X, nothing..! |
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| 07:31.35 | buu__ | sbetore: Everything works for me.. |
| 07:31.37 | Hawkspirit | really no hints?? |
| 07:31.39 | faxo | sbetore, me 2 |
| 07:31.41 | faxo | im ok |
| 07:31.46 | snail | sbetore: why won't they install? what's the error message? |
| 07:31.48 | faxo | sbetore, dependencieS ? |
| 07:31.50 | dli | anyone recommend a good txt editor for Chinese? kwrite got confused with encoding. |
| 07:31.54 | faxo | what doesnt work for u sbetore ? |
| 07:32.03 | faxo | apt-get girlfriendinstring |
| 07:32.15 | faxo | apt-get install bigboobsonmylaps |
| 07:32.26 | faxo | Woppps wrong command :) |
| 07:32.28 | buu__ | http://www.imaginarygirlfriends.com |
| 07:32.50 | sbetore | Weirdness beyond belief...? |
| 07:32.57 | faxo | :)) http://www.needtocallagirlrightnow.com |
| 07:33.09 | buu__ | dli: What is up after this thing-a-majig finishes? |
| 07:33.11 | faxo | totally possible |
| 07:33.34 | mudog__ | Is there a tool to configure apts sources.list? |
| 07:33.34 | lizard | Etan: For installed packages you can use dpkg -s packagename |
| 07:33.34 | faxo | sbetore, what does the computer ask u ? |
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| 07:33.42 | dli | buu__: dpkg -i the .deb generated in /usr/src |
| 07:33.44 | buu__ | mudog__: vi? |
| 07:33.48 | mame | anybody ever make use of (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "BackingStore" |
| 07:33.48 | mame | (**) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled |
| 07:33.52 | mame | backingstore ? |
| 07:33.57 | buu__ | dli: Um. Ok. That installs the kernel, right? |
| 07:33.57 | dli | mudog__: apt-config |
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| 07:34.14 | mudog__ | thats the one thanks both of you |
| 07:34.16 | mame | apparently this caught up in a dialog box when i ran gnoise, saying it can improve my display |
| 07:34.35 | Etan | lizard: I don't want to find the information, I want to know what it's source is |
| 07:34.47 | dli | buu__: yeah, just pay a little attention to your linux loader, be LILO or GRUB, make sure they got the new kernel |
| 07:34.51 | sciboy | lknyshov, Sorry, went for dinner... |
| 07:35.06 | buu__ | dli: Um. Ok. What about the kernel-headers and stuff? |
| 07:35.11 | sciboy | lknyshov, How can i tell if its muted if i can get the mixer to work...? |
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| 07:35.32 | dli | buu__: I don't use kernel-headers, I use vanilla kernel from kernel.org |
| 07:35.47 | buu__ | dli: I see.. |
| 07:35.53 | buu__ | Well. Hope it works. |
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| 07:38.19 | lknyshov | sciboy: and I got distracted, so we are even |
| 07:38.21 | lknyshov | ;-) |
| 07:39.06 | lknyshov | sciboy: Honestly, I haven't setup modern audio yet. I could probably read alsa docs, but I think they have their own channel somewhere as well. |
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| 07:40.43 | sciboy | "alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found..." |
| 07:40.47 | kuru | what video driver do I use for the intel 8265G video device? (optiplex gx270) for X? |
| 07:41.10 | lknyshov | sciboy: OK, and what sound card do you have? ac97? |
| 07:41.35 | lknyshov | Until you get alsa to work, obviously nothing will unless you bypass alsa |
| 07:41.41 | sciboy | lknyshov, "Sound Blaster Live 5.1" emu10k1 |
| 07:41.56 | lknyshov | emu can be ignored for now, that's midi |
| 07:42.13 | lknyshov | SB live is fairly mainstream. :) |
| 07:42.25 | sciboy | So? |
| 07:42.26 | lknyshov | OK, and what release of a system are we working with? |
| 07:42.39 | sciboy | 2.6.5-1-k7 |
| 07:43.00 | peterS | kuru: check http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 07:43.32 | peterS | kuru: you'll see that the 865G (if that's what you meant by "8265G") is supported in XFree86 4.3.0 |
| 07:43.41 | peterS | kuru: that's in Debian unstable and testing, but not in Debian 3.0 |
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| 07:43.50 | lknyshov | sciboy: does superprobe detect your soundcard? |
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| 07:44.07 | peterS | kuru: you'll also see that the driver is called "i810" |
| 07:44.13 | sciboy | lknyshov, Whats that? ^^ |
| 07:44.15 | kuru | got it.. thanks. |
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| 07:45.26 | lknyshov | sciboy: |
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| 07:46.24 | deconstruct | Hi, I'm running Debian Unstable, I installed the new perl package (and new apache-perl packages, etc.) and now apache-perl won't start! |
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| 07:47.10 | deconstruct | it's coming up with 'dynamic loading not available' when I reference the DBI module in the httpd.conf |
| 07:47.11 | rodeo | is apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.3... ok for newbies? |
| 07:47.33 | deconstruct | has anyone else been getting the same problems? |
| 07:47.33 | lknyshov | deconstruct: umm easy enough.. DSO is not enabled in httpd.conf? |
| 07:48.00 | deconstruct | it's saying 'dynamic loading not available in this perl' |
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| 07:48.32 | deconstruct | '(You may need to build a new perl executable which either supports dynamic loading or has the DBI module statically linked') |
| 07:48.35 | lknyshov | ok wrong perl |
| 07:49.00 | deconstruct | hmmmm i have perl_5.8.4-2 |
| 07:49.01 | lknyshov | well, recompile perl or find the appropriate package. |
| 07:49.20 | sciboy | How do i find the irq/dma of a device that discover detects? |
| 07:49.21 | deconstruct | i just ran a apt-get upgrade and it broke it |
| 07:49.42 | deconstruct | the system before the apt-get upgrade was working fine... |
| 07:49.54 | lknyshov | deconstruct it's not broken, it's simply not configured right for your new needs. |
| 07:50.01 | lknyshov | Did you have dynamic perl working? |
| 07:50.12 | deconstruct | dynamic perl... as in mod_perl? |
| 07:51.13 | lknyshov | deconstruct Well, you are loading an actual perl executable and not mod_perl, it seems. |
| 07:51.33 | kerneld | perl -MMYMOD -e 'eval &generate_program' ? |
| 07:51.41 | deconstruct | mod_perl is, however, statically linked in apache |
| 07:51.47 | deconstruct | i'll make sure it's enabled... |
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| 07:52.57 | lknyshov | The error message tells you that perl is not compiled to support what you need. So you could in theory recompile it, get it to work, and then troubleshoot pre-compiled packages |
| 07:53.08 | sbetore | Jesus |
| 07:53.18 | sbetore | My system is smoking crack... |
| 07:53.21 | deconstruct | yes, i can load modules from, say, perl scripts I run in the server |
| 07:53.50 | lknyshov | even though both are modules, they are very different in construction |
| 07:54.19 | deconstruct | so as I understand it, it is a problem with mod_perl and not with the perl executable itself |
| 07:56.17 | k00giez | hey |
| 07:56.29 | k00giez | whats the latest stable version of debian? |
| 07:56.41 | gravity | k00giez: woody |
| 07:57.22 | k00giez | gravity, can you telll me where to get it woody? all i see in the ftp is r_3.0 |
| 07:57.22 | deconstruct | hmmm maybe i'll go bug the mod_perl people for a bit |
| 07:57.33 | gravity | k00giez: That would be it |
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| 07:58.07 | lknyshov | deconstruct do you even use mod_perl? There are other ways to run perl in apache |
| 07:58.41 | k00giez | gravity, where ok so woody is r3? |
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| 07:58.55 | gravity | k00giez: Yes |
| 07:58.59 | kuruWork | I'm getting some horrible colors.. |
| 07:59.07 | k00giez | what release number is the latest and stable? |
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| 07:59.20 | gravity | k00giez: Check www.debian.org. It's there. |
| 07:59.21 | kuruWork | is there some kernel module for the i810 or something? |
| 07:59.24 | k00giez | is 3.0r3 latest? |
| 07:59.28 | gravity | k00giez: Yes |
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| 07:59.46 | sbetore | IT WORKS!! OH, FRABJOUS DAY, CALLOU, CALLAY, MY SYSTEM WILL NOW BOOT! |
| 07:59.52 | gravity | k00giez: Don't /msg me please. Talk in the channel |
| 08:00.05 | k00giez | sorry |
| 08:00.06 | bignose | he chortled in his joy. |
| 08:00.06 | chimaera | kuruWork: you mean for the sound? |
| 08:00.15 | k00giez | so which one is better 3r3 or woody? |
| 08:00.36 | gravity | k00giez: They're the same thing, but 3r3 |
| 08:01.04 | k00giez | ok |
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| 08:01.16 | k00giez | but 3r3 is different |
| 08:01.28 | peterS | k00giez: no, woody means 3.0 |
| 08:01.33 | peterS | k00giez: 3.0r3 is the latest release of woody |
| 08:01.43 | k00giez | thats stable right |
| 08:01.48 | kuruWork | chimaera: no, for the video card in xfree 4.3 |
| 08:02.02 | kuruWork | I'm getting 256 colors |
| 08:02.10 | bignose | k00giez: '/msg apt stable' |
| 08:02.21 | bignose | k00giez: or, '/msg apt woody' |
| 08:02.25 | Peaker | damnit zsh's sourcecode is unreadable |
| 08:03.30 | k00giez | what is does r3 mean after the version number? |
| 08:03.37 | bignose | k00giez: third revision |
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| 08:03.56 | k00giez | technically what does the 3rd version mean |
| 08:04.06 | kuruWork | it tells me "no video bios modes for chosen depth" |
| 08:04.09 | k00giez | what did they added or removed? changed or upgrade |
| 08:04.16 | kuruWork | when I try to put DefaultDepth 24 in the xfree conf file |
| 08:04.23 | bignose | k00giez: technically, it means three revisions to the set of packages called "woody" |
| 08:04.46 | k00giez | what did they revised? |
| 08:05.05 | bignose | k00giez: once a set is released as "stable", the only changes will be for security fixes or serious bugs |
| 08:05.15 | bignose | k00giez: no additions |
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| 08:05.18 | kuruWork | man.. I can't work like this |
| 08:05.36 | k00giez | ahh |
| 08:06.12 | AdrianLP | I don't suppose anyone off hand would know which Kernel module a D-LINK DFE-530TX+ Rev-A1 would use? I google'd for it. No luck. I thought I recall it being 8139s, but those don't seem to work. |
| 08:06.13 | k00giez | hmm bignose does debian have updates and fixes as packages or its a whole new set of cds? |
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| 08:06.33 | bignose | k00giez: debian deals in sets of packages; the CDs are built from that. |
| 08:06.38 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: via-rhine |
| 08:07.06 | AdrianLP | \amethyst: Cool, thanks. |
| 08:07.07 | bignose | k00giez: the official release is simply a tagging of the packages available from the online archive |
| 08:07.20 | k00giez | so that means fixes and upgrades are also in packages as well |
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| 08:07.36 | bignose | k00giez: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 08:07.50 | bignose | k00giez: all things that get installed on your system are from packages |
| 08:07.58 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: I've got the same card myself (probably a different revision) |
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| 08:08.08 | k00giez | nm i gotcha |
| 08:08.11 | k00giez | thanks |
| 08:08.23 | bignose | k00giez: if the package needs to be upgraded, you install a new version of the package |
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| 08:08.50 | chimaera | kuruWork: there is, check the config.. |
| 08:08.52 | k00giez | its only 3.0 r2 |
| 08:09.11 | k00giez | debian is so many cds |
| 08:09.21 | k00giez | is in so many cds |
| 08:09.22 | bignose | k00giez: debian is many thousands of packages |
| 08:09.29 | kuruWork | chimaera: no, it's apparently a problem with the bios in the motherboard.. |
| 08:09.30 | kuruWork | beautiful |
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| 08:09.37 | bignose | k00giez: you won't need that many on your particular system, of course |
| 08:09.40 | k00giez | ok is the debian.org website in one of does cds too? |
| 08:09.46 | k00giez | j/k |
| 08:10.05 | bignose | k00giez: thus: buy a CD set from someone who has already downloaded it all, or: install over the network, thus only installing the packages you request |
| 08:10.07 | chimaera | kuruWork: with a f**cked up bios, probably nothing would help? maybe try a extensive google session.. |
| 08:10.25 | lknyshov | there are easier ways for working with debian. I am creating a custom morphix-based pxe image, for example, which is fully debian-based. |
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| 08:11.05 | bignose | k00giez: read the install manual to see the different methods of installing |
| 08:11.05 | lknyshov | You can always install only the stuff that you require... that's the beauty of it. |
| 08:11.14 | Arch_ | Hi, Anyone know how to disable (the right way) in Apache for a specific directory? |
| 08:11.18 | bignose | k00giez: <http://www.debian.org/doc/> |
| 08:11.27 | Arch_ | err php |
| 08:11.27 | AdrianLP | To use memory sticks (the little USB memory devices), does one need anything more than USB support? I don't see much else. The manufacturer of mine lists some settings to play with, but that's about it. |
| 08:11.28 | bignose | Arch_: disable what? |
| 08:11.44 | bignose | Arch_: sounds like a question to be asked on #php |
| 08:11.44 | peterS | AdrianLP: the 'usb-storage' driver, and the 'sd_mod' module |
| 08:12.02 | peterS | AdrianLP: usb-storage makes such a device look like a scsi disk, which is why you need sd_mod (scsi disk support) |
| 08:12.17 | kuruWork | chimaera: yeah.. a google search says the bios version I have is bad for x and only a downgrade can help.. not always, if this is a newer motherboard, not even a downgrade and only an upgrade 'might' fix if/when it's out. |
| 08:12.21 | bignose | AdrianLP: plus a driver for USB storage for that device |
| 08:12.22 | kuruWork | heh.. excellent. |
| 08:12.43 | bignose | AdrianLP: (as peterS is describing) |
| 08:12.44 | asterix_ | peterS: i think sd_mod should be sd (since i use it) |
| 08:13.16 | peterS | asterix_: it's certainly called sd_mod in my kernels |
| 08:13.52 | asterix_ | asterix_: 2.4.18-bf2.4 (is mine) |
| 08:14.05 | k00giez | hey guys thanks |
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| 08:14.12 | peterS | asterix_: 2.4.18-bf2.4 has scsi disk support built in - no module |
| 08:14.13 | dark | hi |
| 08:14.15 | k00giez | dl trying debian for the first time |
| 08:14.16 | peterS | asterix_: so that doesn't count |
| 08:14.36 | k00giez | i hope all my stuff works on it |
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| 08:15.34 | asterix_ | peterS: Ooo, sory, it's sg |
| 08:15.39 | AdrianLP | sd_mod is a kernel module? Is it synonymous with SCSI Disk Support under SCSI Support? |
| 08:15.48 | peterS | AdrianLP: yes and yes |
| 08:16.34 | peterS | asterix_: btw, the reason it's 'sd_mod' not 'sd' is because of a limitation in the kernel build system. since there is a 'sd.c', but sd.c is not the only source file in sd_mod, the module name can't be just sd. |
| 08:16.40 | AdrianLP | SCSI Generic Support is not needed? |
| 08:16.53 | peterS | AdrianLP: for usb disks? not needed |
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| 08:17.16 | peterS | AdrianLP: scsi generic is needed for CD writers, SCSI / parallel port scanners, stuff like that |
| 08:17.30 | asterix_ | peterS: Thanks for explanation |
| 08:17.30 | rodeo | what does this mean when i run lilo../dev/mapper/control: open failed: |
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| 08:18.48 | peterS | rodeo: it's complaining about Device Mapper. why it should complain, I do not know - I don't have enough context |
| 08:18.57 | sbetore | Is there support for HyperThreading in Linux? |
| 08:19.06 | peterS | sbetore: yes. kernel 2.4.22 or newer, for best results |
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| 08:19.17 | sbetore | peterS: I'm on 2.6.5! ^_^ |
| 08:19.32 | sbetore | peterS: So I guess I'd need the SMP kernel? |
| 08:19.32 | peterS | sbetore: that would count as "2.4.22 or newer" then (: |
| 08:19.44 | peterS | sbetore: yes. you need SMP and ACPI support, is the basic idea |
| 08:19.54 | peterS | sbetore: the Debian -686smp images have that |
| 08:19.57 | sbetore | peterS: Brilliant!! Thanks a bunch :) |
| 08:20.17 | sbetore | peterS: (Note how gitty I am at the idea of SMP on my desktop? :) |
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| 08:20.35 | AdrianLP | What name would usb-storage be listed under when Viewing in menuconfig? Simply "Support for USB"? |
| 08:21.17 | rodeo | peterS: is it likley that I reboot my PC, it wont work? |
| 08:21.18 | peterS | AdrianLP: several lines down from that. "USB Mass Storage support" |
| 08:21.39 | peterS | rodeo: was that just a warning message, or an error? you only pasted part of it, so I couldn't tell |
| 08:21.53 | TheCoolSnail | Hello..I have some problems with 3c2000 NIC...can anyone help me? |
| 08:22.16 | peterS | AdrianLP: you probably want to enable most of the sub-options under that one, too. but do NOT enable the first sub-option, "verbose debug". it spews *tons* of debug messages if you do |
| 08:22.20 | peterS | TheCoolSnail: what problems? |
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| 08:22.33 | rodeo | peterS, look in #flood ? |
| 08:22.39 | peterS | rodeo: hold on a sec |
| 08:22.46 | peterS | TheCoolSnail: yesterday I got two mixed reports on that chip. one guy said the 2.6.6 kernel sk98lin driver worked, another guy said it didn't |
| 08:23.05 | TheCoolSnail | I use the 3c2000 module |
| 08:23.06 | faxo | test |
| 08:23.43 | AdrianLP | peterS: I suppose I can ignore the device specific suboptions like, "SanDisk SDDR-55 SmartMedia support" and "Lexar Jumpshot Compact Flash Reader"? |
| 08:24.00 | peterS | TheCoolSnail: well, the 3c2000 is a slightly modified version of the sk98lin driver already in the kernel. which is why the 2.6.6 version of sk98lin worked for this one guy. |
| 08:24.21 | peterS | AdrianLP: unless you have, or plan to buy, such devices. they don't add much to the kernel, so I generally enable all of them, just in case. |
| 08:24.56 | peterS | AdrianLP: but do note what I said about the "verbose debug" option (: |
| 08:25.05 | TheCoolSnail | well, I have kernel 2.4.18-386 and I use the 3c2000 from my mobo cd.. |
| 08:25.14 | bignose | AdrianLP: if SCSI support isn't enabled, the USB Storage option probably won't appear |
| 08:25.35 | TheCoolSnail | look in #flood for a sec |
| 08:25.37 | peterS | bignose: yeah, he enabled scsi earlier |
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| 08:27.25 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:28.37 | Darvids0n | debian 3.0r2-woody-i386 cd 4 hangs after pci_ide: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later and after it says ide0 and ide1. What boot arguments should i use? |
| 08:29.19 | peterS | you know what, 3Com needs to get their act together and make sure the 3c2000 works with the in-kernel sk98lin driver. |
| 08:29.27 | peterS | reportedly it does in kernel 2.6.6 but not in kernel 2.4 |
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| 08:29.53 | nadim | anyone familiar enough with GNU httptunnel to debug something ? |
| 08:30.02 | lknyshov | 3com needs to die a silent death :) |
| 08:30.21 | nadim | lknyshov: hasn't it already ? ;-) |
| 08:30.23 | peterS | lknyshov: come now. 3com makes very nice network cards / chips, and has always been quite forthcoming with docs for drivers |
| 08:30.38 | peterS | lknyshov: its only real problem is Bob Metcalfe (: |
| 08:31.29 | peterS | it *is* funny that after all these years of making good 10/100 cards, when they entered gigabit space they started using someone else's chips |
| 08:31.54 | rodeo | where does apt extract the kernel-source? I've just done apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.5 |
| 08:32.09 | peterS | not that they didn't use someone else's 8390 chip for their 3c507, but that was way back in the day |
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| 08:33.21 | AdrianLP | Anyone here happen to use a Radeon vid card? |
| 08:33.24 | asterix_ | rodeo: what about /usr/src |
| 08:33.30 | peterS | AdrianLP: lots of people do. why? |
| 08:33.37 | lknyshov | peterS Agreed, it's just that I once had to be essentially a production beta site for 3com... the pain of those years is permanent. |
| 08:33.38 | sbetore | I keep getting problems when installing demons |
| 08:33.40 | peterS | AdrianLP: also, radeon is not very specific, it's a pretty broad product line |
| 08:33.50 | peterS | lknyshov: ah |
| 08:34.00 | sbetore | "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" |
| 08:34.03 | lknyshov | I literally had 3com techs on-site debugging their Novell drivers for server ATM cards. |
| 08:34.09 | sbetore | please to be helpink? |
| 08:34.21 | AdrianLP | peterS: Once I buy my KVM, I'm going to fight with installing the drivers. I have a 2.4 kernel, so I'll likely just use ATI's drivers. I'm just wondering if they install smoothly without trouble. |
| 08:34.22 | peterS | sbetore: that just means you're still in debian-installer |
| 08:34.40 | sbetore | peterS: I want to get the hell out of it - - how? |
| 08:34.49 | nadim | btw - how do I apt-get an older (ie. not latest) version of a package ? apt-get install pkgname=version-x.y.z doesn't seem to work as advertised |
| 08:34.54 | peterS | sbetore: those are just warnings. they don't actually stop the system |
| 08:35.07 | peterS | nadim: older versions are not stored on debian mirrors |
| 08:35.14 | peterS | nadim: you can look at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 08:35.21 | sbetore | peterS: Well, no, but it doesn't start any of my daemons, either!" |
| 08:35.26 | sbetore | I can't start GDM! |
| 08:35.33 | peterS | sbetore: that's because you're still in debian-installer |
| 08:35.45 | sbetore | peterS: How do I get out of that? |
| 08:35.50 | peterS | sbetore: if you get that message and you're *not* still in debian-installer, that's a bug, I think |
| 08:36.07 | sbetore | peterS: I did debootstrap; base-config |
| 08:36.15 | peterS | AdrianLP: most radeon chips are supported by XFree86 4.3.0 at least to some extent, without any special drivers |
| 08:36.37 | peterS | AdrianLP: if you want screaming 3D performance I suppose you need to mess with that crap, but if not, it's easier not to |
| 08:36.45 | peterS | AdrianLP: XFree86 4.3.0 is in unstable and testing, but not in stable |
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| 08:37.11 | sbetore | peterS: Please? I have a deadline and a 24 hour brain uptime |
| 08:37.13 | AdrianLP | I'm in the testing tree. |
| 08:37.23 | peterS | sbetore: well, after debootstrap has installed everything, and you've rebooted so that your root dir is actually where it should be, then you should no longer get that |
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| 08:37.31 | sbetore | AdrianLP: Be careful! You could fall down! |
| 08:37.31 | nadim | peterS: thanks |
| 08:37.39 | tarzeau | who is the bouncybouncy man again? |
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| 08:37.47 | peterS | tarzeau: Justin? |
| 08:37.53 | tarzeau | Just1n: for you http://dillo-win.sourceforge.jp/ |
| 08:37.57 | tarzeau | peterS: exactly |
| 08:37.59 | sbetore | peterS: I KNOW I shouldn't get that. How do I stop it? |
| 08:38.27 | nadim | tarzeau: how are ya ? long time no talk |
| 08:38.36 | nadim | :-) |
| 08:38.39 | peterS | sbetore: well, the real start-stop-daemon is part of the 'dpkg' package, which certainly should have been installed early on |
| 08:38.59 | wols | sbetore: have you rebooted after installing? |
| 08:39.00 | Zarbuck | very odd and i'm sure very stupid question... is there anyway that i can get a ftp client and dos fs support running from the debian install floppies |
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| 08:39.25 | sbetore | wols: Yes, I have |
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| 08:39.44 | peterS | sbetore: try the command 'dpkg-divert --list' and see if start-stop-daemon is diverted |
| 08:39.44 | tarzeau | nadim: salam, guess i'm fine |
| 08:40.10 | sbetore | peterS: Nope |
| 08:40.32 | wols | Zarbuck: dos fs support shouldn't be a problem |
| 08:40.35 | peterS | sbetore: what about "file /sbin/start-stop-daemon" ? |
| 08:40.44 | peterS | sbetore: it should be an ELF executable, but if it's the fake one, it'll probably be a shell script |
| 08:40.47 | wols | as for ftp: what kind of install are you doing? |
| 08:40.55 | sbetore | It's a bash script |
| 08:40.58 | nadim | tarzeau: I'm glad to hear it - we'll chat later - gotta go to bed :-) |
| 08:41.08 | sbetore | which just echoes the message and quite |
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| 08:41.10 | sbetore | quits* |
| 08:41.13 | peterS | sbetore: weird. try "apt-get install --reinstall dpkg", I guess |
| 08:41.34 | peterS | sbetore: I don't know how you got into that situation, but by reinstalling dpkg, it should overwrite it |
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| 08:41.39 | sbetore | peterS: I've had amazing weirdness here. |
| 08:41.52 | peterS | TheCoolSnail: how's your 3c2000? |
| 08:42.12 | TheCoolSnail | brb |
| 08:42.14 | Zarbuck | wols, well i'm not really installing its just that i have set here all night and tried about every bootable linux floppy distro i can find and out of the 15 or so i found none of them support my nic |
| 08:42.24 | sbetore | peterS: It's been a long string of inexplicable events - but I think it may work now - dpkg could have been causing all of that. |
| 08:42.26 | Zarbuck | but it works just fine when i installed debian |
| 08:42.35 | peterS | sbetore: hope so |
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| 08:42.38 | wols | Zarbuck: which nic do you have? |
| 08:42.51 | wols | Zarbuck: nvidia? |
| 08:42.53 | Zarbuck | wols, smc ez pc card 10 |
| 08:42.59 | sbetore | peterS: IT WORKS! You're a genious. Someone should pay you for what you're doing here so you could be here full-time |
| 08:43.01 | Zarbuck | pcmcia |
| 08:43.04 | peterS | sbetore: hehe |
| 08:43.07 | peterS | sbetore: glad to hear it |
| 08:43.20 | peterS | sbetore: check http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:43.24 | sbetore | peterS: I'm serious - You've helped me millions of times now |
| 08:43.26 | peterS | sbetore: it will tell you how much I *am* here |
| 08:43.39 | Darvids0n | when i try to install debian, it hangs after the pci_ide line (after ide0 and ide1). What boot arguments should i use to get around this? |
| 08:43.42 | peterS | sbetore: ahhh - didn't recognise your nick there (: |
| 08:43.56 | Zarbuck | wols, i have also poked around on google and didn't find what driver it is useing for that nic |
| 08:44.10 | peterS | sbetore: when did you reverse it? I saw it as toresbe earlier today, I thought |
| 08:44.22 | wols | Zarbuck: can you take out the card and read what's written on the biggest chip on it? |
| 08:44.26 | TheCoolSnail | Well, it seems to be up, but it isn't! |
| 08:44.39 | Zarbuck | wols, pcmcia |
| 08:44.48 | wols | Zarbuck: damn |
| 08:44.52 | Zarbuck | ya |
| 08:44.53 | wols | that makes it harder :( |
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| 08:45.01 | TheCoolSnail | When I try to install an ADSL dialer i get: mru: Host name lookup failure | ifconfig: '--help' gives usage info |
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| 08:45.05 | fromz | what's 32 meg in kB? |
| 08:45.09 | AdrianLP | Do 2.6 kernels give much advantage over 2.4, if there are no new modules you'd use from it? |
| 08:45.16 | peterS | fromz: 32 * 1024 = 32768 |
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| 08:45.37 | TheCoolSnail | peterS: #flood |
| 08:45.39 | peterS | AdrianLP: some people report that they're faster and more responsive to interactive stuff, but not everyone sees this |
| 08:45.45 | fromz | thanks peters |
| 08:45.53 | dli | any good text editor for Chinese? |
| 08:45.53 | wols | Zarbuck: have you seen anything on google that linux can use that card? |
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| 08:46.26 | wols | AdrianLP: are you using alsa or oss? |
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| 08:46.51 | wols | for the nice and easy alsa integration alone I'd use 2.6 (and lm sensors and xfs and...) |
| 08:46.56 | ramasun | hi, I want to set up an imap server and have no idea which one to use :-) is there some "standard" like apache for webservers? |
| 08:46.57 | AdrianLP | wols: Neither, why? |
| 08:46.58 | Zarbuck | wols, well it works just fine with the debian install floppies... just doesn't seem to work with anything else |
| 08:47.07 | AdrianLP | wols: I have no soundcard for my linux box. |
| 08:47.30 | wols | Zarbuck: then why don't you use those floppies? |
| 08:47.44 | wols | e.g. why do you need dos fs support and a ftp client? |
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| 08:48.42 | Gujin | hey, I installed libgtk2.0-0 from experimental, is that gtk2.4 ? |
| 08:48.48 | Zarbuck | wols, i'm trying to pull something off of a ftp and put them on a dos fs... but the laptop has no os and the pcmcia nic doesn't work with anything but the debian boot disk |
| 08:49.24 | wols | no harddisk on the lappy? |
| 08:49.34 | Zarbuck | yes it has a harddisk |
| 08:49.44 | Zarbuck | but just no os on it |
| 08:49.49 | wols | then why don't you install a minimal debian system on it? |
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| 08:50.00 | wols | the base system will have /usr/bin/ftp |
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| 08:50.33 | Zarbuck | well i hate to say it but... the things i'm trying to pull off the ftp server on the disc is my windows 98 cds cab files |
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| 08:50.57 | wols | and you need all the space for win98? |
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| 08:51.12 | AdrianLP | Why is 'make mrproper' used when installing new kernels. It seems to delete files in the kernel source. Why would I want to do that before I've even used that same source? |
| 08:51.20 | Zarbuck | how small can you make a debian install? |
| 08:51.39 | wols | 30-40MB should be fairly easy I think |
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| 08:52.02 | Zarbuck | there is only 4gb of hdd space on this laptop and i will need most of it for what i'm haveing to do with win 98... gah that sounds so bad |
| 08:52.14 | Zarbuck | 30-40mb? really? |
| 08:52.24 | wols | since you won't have X or such frills. I ran debian woody on a 230MB disk as a router/server. worked fine for a long time (and I had around 100MB free I think |
| 08:52.45 | wols | really. it would mean no frills, but certainly doable |
| 08:52.47 | sloopy | Zarbuck: i have done installs in 200megs with X on m68k |
| 08:53.21 | sloopy | and that is will space left over to actually use it... |
| 08:53.40 | Zarbuck | i guess i will go ahead and try it that way |
| 08:54.08 | lknyshov | Just follow the directions at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1#links after following http://www.sonic.net/~rknop/linux/debian_alsa.html |
| 08:54.11 | wols | Zarbuck: you know that there are floppy routers with linux which include sshd and a printer spooler? all on 1.44 MB? |
| 08:54.12 | lknyshov | oops |
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| 08:54.25 | Zarbuck | wols, ya |
| 08:54.37 | Gujin | hmm where can I find instructions for installing gtk2.4 ? |
| 08:54.43 | wols | Zarbuck: well, essentially you don't need more than that either |
| 08:54.56 | Zarbuck | but most floppy distros are very striped down... wich has been the whole probblem all night |
| 08:55.14 | Zarbuck | i can't find a single one that does everything i need |
| 08:55.26 | wols | Zarbuck: not true. your problem is the kernel driver for your NIC |
| 08:55.30 | peterS | Gujin: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 08:55.36 | wols | and that is pretty small, so it wouldn't add bloat |
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| 08:56.18 | peterS | wols: well, therein does lie the problem. because floppy-based distros don't have room for 2.6 kernels, and before 2.6, pcmcia was not very well supported in the official kernel |
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| 08:56.27 | Zarbuck | wols, yes but then most of them doesn't even have pcmcia support ;) |
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| 08:56.53 | Zarbuck | it doesn't seem to be a big thing on the todo list for most floppy distros |
| 08:56.58 | wols | peterS: but his card is probably so old, no one writes drivers for it anymore |
| 08:57.22 | peterS | wols: but the existing drivers should be mature. however, integrated into the official kernel they might not be, until kernel 2.6 |
| 08:57.27 | wols | peterS: and a 2.6 kernel is maybe 2MB while a 2.4 one is 1.5 or so |
| 08:57.28 | lknyshov | pcmcia cards use relatively few chipsets... there is no need to rewrite drivers for them either. |
| 08:57.41 | Gujin | peterS: Im trying to install libgtk2.0-0 from experimental but it says it will remove many packages, most of which are important for me... |
| 08:57.49 | Zarbuck | you know i saw a distro tonight that had a 2.6 kernal |
| 08:57.55 | peterS | Gujin: then you have a problem. it's called 'experimental' for a reason |
| 08:58.00 | Zarbuck | hmm... it was called blue something |
| 08:58.16 | wols | Zarbuck: 2.6 is half a year old. I certainly hope some distros use it by now... |
| 08:58.21 | peterS | Zarbuck: the embedded distribution BlueCat Linux has 2.6 kernels |
| 08:58.32 | Gujin | peterS: can't I install both an old gtk version and 2.4 ? |
| 08:58.34 | peterS | wols: like fedora core 2 (: |
| 08:58.38 | Zarbuck | ahh its called blueflops i just found the link again |
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| 08:59.00 | Zarbuck | wols, i mean floppy distros that are useing 2.6 |
| 08:59.03 | peterS | Gujin: no, GTK 2.x are all backward compatible with each other, so the packagers don't bother to let you install more than one version |
| 08:59.05 | asterix_ | What is the xfce version in experimental, how can i install it? |
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| 08:59.34 | peterS | Gujin: that's why the 2.4 packages are still called libgtk2.0-0 - because it's still compatible with GTK 2.0 |
| 08:59.51 | Gujin | peterS: if they are compatible why does it requires me to remove some packages? |
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| 09:00.08 | peterS | Gujin: that's a very good question. I've never tried to install GTK 2.4, so I can't answer it |
| 09:00.17 | Gujin | peterS: alright, thanks |
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| 09:00.32 | peterS | Gujin: but "apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0", and pay attention to the Depends: and Conflicts: lines, and maybe you can figure it out |
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| 09:01.01 | AdrianLP | During kernel compile I get errors like "use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated." Why would someone use a cast expression as an lvalue anyway? |
| 09:01.16 | peterS | Gujin: ideally it *should* be a smooth upgrade, with no application changes required. however, that's why it's in experimental right now rather than unstable - to make sure this will be true |
| 09:01.21 | AdrianLP | I woudln't have thought it possible. |
| 09:01.33 | peterS | AdrianLP: many weird constructs are possible when you are using macros |
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| 09:01.46 | Gujin | peterS: ok thanks again |
| 09:02.28 | peterS | AdrianLP: you are right, cast expressions as lvalues is a pretty weird thing to do. I'm having trouble coming up with an example macro that would cause this |
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| 09:03.20 | senistra | say *((int*) void_pointer) = 10 |
| 09:03.24 | peterS | xiaojun: hope you enjoyed your stay here in #debian |
| 09:03.48 | peterS | senistra: but that's not a cast expression - that's a dereference |
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| 09:04.28 | Biggoggs | Hi guys- What sort of program would you recommend for creating GIF animations? |
| 09:04.29 | peterS | senistra: I mean, it has a cast in it, but it's the dereference which is the lvalue |
| 09:04.54 | AdrianLP | peterS: Scarier is that it didn't return an error, it just said it's deprecated. So this once was common practice? I guess maybe if someInt = (int) someDouble = someExpression, maybe. Don't know why you'd do that though. |
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| 09:05.02 | naim | what file do i modify so i have the option to start E from gdm ?? |
| 09:05.29 | \amethyst | The cast-as-lvalue thing is a gcc extension that is gone in 3.4 and deprecated in recent 3.3 |
| 09:05.54 | peterS | AdrianLP: well, I think it's 'deprecated' in that gcc accepts it as legal syntax, which the C standard doesn't, but the gcc folks don't see it as a useful extension, so they're warning that it will eventually become illegal - in gcc 3.4 or 3.5 |
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| 09:06.00 | wols | \amethyst: if it's gone in 3.4 what will happen to kernel compiles then? |
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| 09:06.16 | peterS | wols: they will be fixed. lots of fixes for gcc 3.4 and 3.5 have gone into recent kernels |
| 09:06.23 | AdrianLP | peterS: Why wasn't it illegal all along is my line of thought. |
| 09:06.35 | wols | peterS: fine, but what about, say a 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:06.37 | peterS | wols: as for existing stable kernels like 2.4.26, nobody has recommended using anything but gcc 2.95.x for those anyway (: |
| 09:06.38 | C` | Hi I have a question for system developers : can we update the access rights for a virtual memory area of the curren process ? |
| 09:07.06 | lknyshov | .set hold_mode off |
| 09:07.07 | peterS | wols: you don't use bleeding-edge compilers on stable kernel series. that's an old rule. if you do decide to take that risk, it's your responsibility to fix the compile errors |
| 09:07.12 | wols | peterS: good thing I didn't tell anyone I use 3.2.x regularly for it. and for quite some time too now... |
| 09:07.24 | peterS | wols: lots of people do. but 2.95 is still the recommended compiler for 2.4 |
| 09:07.24 | \amethyst | One use of cast-as-lvalue: |
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| 09:07.45 | peterS | wols: this was a much more important point back in kernel 2.0, which could *not* be compiled with anything newer than gcc 2.7.3, or it would seriously break |
| 09:07.56 | fromz | okay, I just installed Debian and got X/KDE up. Why is it they give me KDE 2.2 by default? Using debian's package management how would I upgrade this to 3.2? |
| 09:07.58 | bignose | naim: gdm looks in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ for its available sessions. |
| 09:07.59 | peterS | wols: people tried to use newer compilers, and tried to fix up the kernel bugs that were triggered, but it was a losing battle |
| 09:08.04 | \amethyst | char *x = something; ++(int *)x; |
| 09:08.16 | bignose | naim: read the GDM docs, then create a new session for the stuff you want. |
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| 09:08.26 | wols | peterS: so the current 2.0.36 or such still needs gcc 2.7.3? |
| 09:08.26 | peterS | wols: the bad thing about *that* was that the breakages were subtle things, not actual compile errors - just bugs exercised in the code itself |
| 09:08.30 | peterS | wols: yes |
| 09:08.34 | \amethyst | To increment the pointer x by the size of an integer. |
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| 09:08.50 | wols | fromz: use testing or unstable. |
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| 09:09.09 | peterS | wols: the feeling is - if you insist that your kernel be *that* stable that you want to still use 2.0, then you need to also not take risks with the compilers that it was tested with |
| 09:09.16 | fromz | wols, okay, I'm new to debian (slackware convert)... apt-cache search KDE ? |
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| 09:09.25 | senistra | a friend of mine has interesting problem: he has promise fasttrack133 raid card attached to two ide disks (raid0) under windows. now one of disks failed (if you attach it as usual ide device, then bios said that smart failure detection proposes to make backup immideately) |
| 09:09.42 | bignose | fromz: first, understand that only the stable release receives security updates |
| 09:09.57 | fromz | I'm not particularly concerned with security updates. |
| 09:10.03 | bignose | fromz: anything newer is unreleased and considered a candidate for testing for the upcoming release |
| 09:10.06 | wols | fromz: no. that would only give you the same kde you just installed. either get a woody backport of kde3.2 (which comes from non debian sources) or change from woody to sarge or sid (testing and unstable) |
| 09:10.14 | peterS | senistra: that's a problem indeed. raid0 has no redundancy, so you need to get the data off that disk as soon as possible |
| 09:10.21 | senistra | i had proposed to load knoppix and try to use software raid to recover is it works? |
| 09:10.32 | peterS | senistra: and the Windows NT RAID superblock formats, AFAIK, have not been implemented in Linux, so you'll need to do this under Windows |
| 09:10.46 | fromz | wols, what's a good source to get KDE 3.2.2 from? |
| 09:10.47 | bignose | fromz: if you're cool with the fact that things can break unexpectedly, read up on the (simple) process for upgrading to a non-released debian branch. |
| 09:10.48 | peterS | senistra: I don't *think* you can do this with a Linux kernel. it would be nice to know if I'm wrong, though. |
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| 09:11.04 | wols | senistra: google for barts PEBuilder. it lets you run XP from a CD (like knoppix) |
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| 09:11.30 | senistra | I thouht that all raid things were done in hardware card |
| 09:11.34 | wols | dunno if raid would work tho |
| 09:11.37 | peterS | senistra: in particular, it might be possible to write an EVMS module for Windows NT RAID partitions. but I have no idea if it's been done |
| 09:11.58 | peterS | senistra: ah yes, you did say it was a "RAID card" |
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| 09:12.13 | senistra | my understanding is that it is promise card make stripping |
| 09:12.20 | peterS | senistra: well, the same point applies. those raid cards do most of their work in software (the Windows driver) |
| 09:12.27 | naim | bignose, i already have a small startup script for E in that folder ...it says :: #!/bin/sh |
| 09:12.28 | naim | exec enlightenment |
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| 09:12.43 | bignose | naim: you're talking stuff I don't know |
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| 09:12.51 | bignose | naim: read the gdm docs for how to set up its sessions |
| 09:12.58 | peterS | senistra: so even so, I don't think booting Linux will let you use the same raid format. it's a proprietary format, and AFAIK not supported by Linux drivers, even given your hardware interface |
| 09:13.06 | senistra | my understanding is that there is not so many way to make stripping |
| 09:13.10 | bignose | naim: or you could try cloning an existing session |
| 09:13.12 | wols | fromz: testing has kde 3.1.2 it seems |
| 09:13.26 | naim | bignose, right on u r ... tnx |
| 09:13.40 | peterS | senistra: you might be lucky and figure out how the striping works. but it does depend on the stripe width, at the very least, and possibly an offset into the disk |
| 09:13.41 | lknyshov | If your RAID is done in hardware by BIOS, then Linux sees it as one logical device, is that not correct? |
| 09:13.41 | fromz | so there's no 3.2 available yet? rude. lol. |
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| 09:13.51 | peterS | lknyshov: yes, but he's talking about a cheap IDE raid card |
| 09:13.55 | peterS | lknyshov: so that's a poor assumption (: |
| 09:13.56 | senistra | what could be "format differencies" |
| 09:14.04 | wols | lknyshov: linux doesn't use the bios |
| 09:14.20 | peterS | wols: that's a blanket statement which is therefore incorrect |
| 09:14.21 | wols | peterS: even then. linux doesn't use the bios |
| 09:14.29 | peterS | wols: Linux uses a PC BIOS for many things. just not for all things |
| 09:14.29 | lknyshov | peterS: Not necessarily, does that card not essentially emulate a single device to the OS? |
| 09:14.31 | senistra | I guess it is easy to find out what is chunk-size and offset, since we know how logical disk starts |
| 09:14.49 | lknyshov | wols bios was a poor example, agreed. |
| 09:14.50 | peterS | lknyshov: depends on the card. the really cheap ones don't |
| 09:14.51 | wols | peterS: it uses the bios for booting, but not in actual work |
| 09:15.01 | peterS | lknyshov: it's done mostly by the drivers that ship with the card - in software |
| 09:15.04 | bignose | and the BIOS doesn't present RAID. it can present "SCSI device", and then it's totally up to the SCSI card to present a storage interface |
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| 09:15.14 | senistra | the problem is that bios no longer work with the array |
| 09:15.15 | peterS | wols: you'd be surprised at how many things the BIOS can be used for in Linux |
| 09:15.22 | lknyshov | peterS The cheap ones should not be used then :) |
| 09:15.38 | wols | peterS: like what? with realmode code? |
| 09:15.40 | peterS | lknyshov: sure they should. but you shouldn't really call them "raid cards", just "IDE interface cards" (: |
| 09:16.18 | lknyshov | peterS if they support some form of RAID (mirror, stripe..) in hardware, they are by definition RAID-aware controllers |
| 09:16.23 | peterS | wols: APM. ACPI. VESA screen modes. EDD. other interrupt routing. USB legacy keyboard/mouse support. |
| 09:16.56 | senistra | so what a point was to use that card? |
| 09:17.08 | senistra | if it actually done nothing? |
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| 09:17.27 | wols | senistra: it does something. just not enough for real hardware raid probably |
| 09:17.55 | lknyshov | senistra not necessarily. There are hacks in hardware that actually enable it to be a hardware raid controller. Search slashdot for details. |
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| 09:18.10 | lknyshov | Some promise cards were like that before. |
| 09:18.13 | peterS | wols: MPS. Plug-n-play. those are the ones I can think of. |
| 09:18.36 | wols | peterS: all no performance critical things |
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| 09:19.03 | kuru | well.. this is crap. I can only get up to 1024x768 on this supposedly badass machine? |
| 09:19.13 | senistra | he just got another harddrive -- it is also 80GB, but slightly different (81.2 instead of 82.3, something like this) |
| 09:19.15 | peterS | wols: indeed. Linux has a strong history of trying to use the BIOS as little as possible, because everyone has learned by now not to trust the BIOS vendors to ever get anything right unless you're doing something exactly like Windows does |
| 09:19.22 | AdrianLP | \amethyst - Ack, apparently the DFE530TX+ is *not* via rhine. |
| 09:19.31 | peterS | wols: but even so, there's quite a few places where it does use the BIOS, for one thing or another |
| 09:19.38 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: Hm. It's different from the DFE-530-TX, then :) |
| 09:19.43 | senistra | is it possible to copy buggy disk to new and plug it into promise card? |
| 09:19.45 | peterS | AdrianLP: I thought that one was a Realtek clone...? |
| 09:19.52 | peterS | AdrianLP: (i.e. '8139too') |
| 09:20.04 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: lspci | grep Ethernet |
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| 09:20.16 | peterS | senistra: probably possible. |
| 09:20.22 | wols | peterS: you can never be sure with dlink. sometimes it's the same name for the card but a new chip... |
| 09:20.25 | AdrianLP | peterS: So did I, the 8139s don't seem to work, neither does Via rhine. I've got it work on my 2.4.21 kernel fine, but won't work on 2.4.6 |
| 09:20.26 | senistra | that is would not it destroj the information |
| 09:20.40 | peterS | AdrianLP: surely you didn't mean 2.4.6 there |
| 09:20.47 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: What does lspci say about the card? |
| 09:21.05 | AdrianLP | 2.4.26 sorry. |
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| 09:21.26 | peterS | AdrianLP: I can tell you exactly which driver or drivers think they know about your card, for any given kernel, if you can tell me this: lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' |
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| 09:21.47 | TheCoolSnail | Still having the same interrupt:5 |
| 09:21.48 | AdrianLP | \amethyst: It says 8139/8139c/8139c+ (rev 10), but it doesn't seem to work with those. |
| 09:22.19 | \amethyst | AdrianLP: What error do you get when you try to load the 8139too module? |
| 09:22.29 | peterS | AdrianLP: yeah, rev 10 should be the 8139too module all right |
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| 09:22.55 | AdrianLP | \amethyst: It's built into the kernel. Dmesg simply does not see the card. |
| 09:22.56 | TheCoolSnail | pererS: #flood |
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| 09:23.55 | AdrianLP | Ok, so I just made this kernel with make-kpkg. I need to change the modules used, and recompile. Is there a quick and easy way to do this? |
| 09:24.37 | wols | just run make-kpkg again |
| 09:25.21 | peterS | AdrianLP: could you run the command I gave you, to make sure this chip is what we think it is? lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' |
| 09:25.36 | AdrianLP | peterS - k |
| 09:25.39 | \amethyst | Hm. I've got an nVidia card here I want to upgrade. I need 2048x1536x24bpp, good 3D, and I don't want any more proprietary drivers. Suggestions? |
| 09:25.43 | peterS | AdrianLP: it should say 10ec:8139 but who knows |
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| 09:26.12 | wols | \amethyst: ask the toothfairy for 3d in the nv driver. it's your best bet |
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| 09:27.13 | AdrianLP | peters: 10Ec: 8139 |
| 09:27.38 | peterS | AdrianLP: yeah, standard realtek 8139, rev 10. should be supported by 8139too, as we thought |
| 09:27.46 | \amethyst | wols: Toothfairy already owes me one of those 23" Apple Cinema LCDs. I don't think I should be bugging her anymore |
| 09:27.49 | AdrianLP | and pcilib complained that it could not open sys/bus/pci/devices |
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| 09:27.55 | wols | AdrianLP: I have a card with the exact same PCI id here. which runs fine with 8139too |
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| 09:28.14 | wols | \amethyst: there is always santa claus and the easterbunny |
| 09:28.15 | peterS | \amethyst: dude, you must have lost a *lot* of teeth |
| 09:28.15 | sciboy | guys, what do you think? ReiserFS or EXT3? I am just a windows user n e way ^^ |
| 09:28.16 | AdrianLP | peters: Which 8139 should I use? The C+ experimental one, or just the 8139 one? |
| 09:28.29 | zeb1 | Hi all. What software do people recommend for firewall/connection sharing on Debian? |
| 09:28.31 | wols | sciboy: depends what you want/need |
| 09:28.33 | peterS | AdrianLP: no, the C+ one is for other revisions. that's why I kept mentioning "rev 10" (: |
| 09:28.42 | sciboy | wols, eg? |
| 09:28.44 | wols | zeb1: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 09:28.46 | AdrianLP | So I do not use C+ one. |
| 09:28.53 | peterS | AdrianLP: right |
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| 09:29.15 | wols | sciboy: e.g. if you want to access the partition from windows you need ext3, if you want it a bit fast, reiser. etc |
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| 09:29.24 | peterS | AdrianLP: basically, if you had revision 32 or higher, that would be the C+ driver. |
| 09:29.24 | zeb1 | wols: thanks. I've been plugging away with Shorewall, but have had a few problems |
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| 09:29.44 | peterS | ardy: heya |
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| 09:29.53 | ardy | hi peterS |
| 09:30.01 | kuru | where do I get a list of all the possible apt sources? |
| 09:30.05 | peterS | ardy: we've got another 3c2000 user on our hands, having problems (: |
| 09:30.14 | kuru | ie. non-US, non-free, etc. |
| 09:30.16 | ardy | peterS: you know how we replaced the sk98lin drivers with the 3com drivers |
| 09:30.19 | wols | kuru: apt-setup for the official ones |
| 09:30.21 | sciboy | wols, I don't have windows... |
| 09:30.23 | peterS | ardy: yeah... |
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| 09:30.43 | ardy | peterS: and then the makefile didn't work so you sent me a new make file |
| 09:30.48 | kuru | wols: it doesn't offer much. |
| 09:30.48 | peterS | ardy: right |
| 09:30.57 | kuru | wols: it used to ask if i wanted non-us, non-free, etc. |
| 09:31.04 | peterS | ardy: that was just a small edit of the sk98lin makefile, btw. |
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| 09:31.25 | ardy | peterS: well, it turned out that that makefile, although compiled, caused many other programs to malfunction, such as ssh and smb |
| 09:31.44 | peterS | ardy: hmm, weird |
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| 09:32.18 | peterS | ardy: do you mean, when you compiled the 3c2000 driver as a module, independently of the kernel, it worked ok with 2.4.26? |
| 09:32.33 | ardy | peterS: but oddly enough, I replaced the 3c2000 code with the sk98lin drivers |
| 09:32.49 | ardy | and the sk98lin drivers worked... |
| 09:32.54 | peterS | ardy: hey, cool! |
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| 09:33.16 | ardy | peterS: yeah.. seriously, don't ask why though,... I have no idea ;) |
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| 09:33.54 | peterS | ardy: well, I was puzzled when you said before that it *didn't* work. because from my reading of the source, it looked like it *should* be supported by the sk98lin in 2.4.23 and higher. |
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| 09:34.02 | peterS | ardy: so now, I guess I'm less puzzled than before (: |
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| 09:34.10 | kuru | this is no good. |
| 09:34.21 | ardy | peterS: haha. yeah... I don't know... |
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| 09:34.31 | ardy | peterS: how muc do you know about setting up cvs? |
| 09:34.43 | peterS | ardy: I've done it like once or twice |
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| 09:35.05 | RolandU | hi all! gtk1-fonts are ugly - gtk-theme-switch has no effect. Don't know what to do. Plz hlp. |
| 09:35.11 | kuru | can someone /msg me the list of .. what do you evenc all these things? |
| 09:35.27 | AdrianLP | Does a kernel have to be built with module support for a given module, you can just download one out of the blue and start using it? If so why doesn't the kernel rely on some daemon to insert modules into the running kernel, so that you never need to reboot to start using new modules? |
| 09:35.29 | ardy | peterS: well, I have cvs setup on a remote server and I wanna set iy up on my debian box so that it updates to to the remote server |
| 09:35.42 | kuru | apt components. |
| 09:35.43 | apt | kuru: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:35.55 | peterS | ardy: cvs isn't sophisticated enough to do that directly. you mean, maintain a read-only mirror of the remote server? |
| 09:36.00 | kuru | the list of debian components or where I can find them (ie., url) |
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| 09:36.09 | peterS | ardy: so that read-only commands are local, but read-write commands go to the server? |
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| 09:36.12 | FraDe | hi all |
| 09:36.20 | AdrianLP | Ack. Kernel has caused user panick. When I try to recompile I get an error saying that dummy.o cannot be stat'd. |
| 09:36.20 | peterS | ardy: that I have done, but it's a hack |
| 09:36.27 | wuhuu | hi@all |
| 09:36.32 | wols | kuru: packages.debian.org |
| 09:36.38 | lknyshov | you should let it finish already :) |
| 09:36.42 | ardy | peterS: no... It uses ssh and the repository is on the remote server |
| 09:36.52 | lknyshov | disregard that. |
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| 09:36.59 | AdrianLP | cp: Cannot stat dummy.o: No such file or dir. And it dies. |
| 09:37.11 | wuhuu | I have a problem installing Debian sarge on my box: it returns no dhclient found |
| 09:37.12 | peterS | ardy: I'm confused. you said you wanted to set it up locally. but you also said you wanted it to update to the remote server |
| 09:37.17 | AdrianLP | Gives up the ghpst as it were. |
| 09:37.20 | peterS | ardy: do you just mean you want to use a cvs *client* locally? |
| 09:37.21 | AdrianLP | ghost too. |
| 09:37.24 | ardy | peterS: yeah |
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| 09:37.30 | ardy | peterS: exactly |
| 09:37.30 | wols | ardy: how about setting up rsync which gets triggered by cvs watch |
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| 09:37.56 | peterS | ardy: ok that's easy. just run 'cvs -d username@servername:/cvs/dir/on/server co modulename' |
| 09:38.02 | ardy | wols: well I have it setup using ssh.. so that I can also cvs projects when using windows ans putty |
| 09:38.08 | nkuttler | wuhuu: when does it say that? |
| 09:38.09 | peterS | ardy: that will create a local directory "modulename" |
| 09:38.18 | fromz | in debian, how do you tell what 'version' (sorry for the terminology.. i'm new to debian) you're running? I found that i'm using version 3.0, but how do I know if i'm using say... woody, or sid? |
| 09:38.25 | peterS | ardy: then when you cd into 'modulename', you can just run ordinary cvs commands |
| 09:38.40 | wols | fromz: /etc/debian_version |
| 09:38.45 | peterS | ardy: here's the other thing you'll maybe want to do: install 'fsh' on both client and server, and set the environment variable "CVS_RSH=fsh" |
| 09:38.47 | fromz | wols, yes, all it says is 3.0 |
| 09:38.48 | wols | fromz: 3.0 is woody |
| 09:38.53 | wuhuu | on configureing network at installation |
| 09:39.04 | peterS | ardy: fsh is a wrapper around ssh which caches the connection so you don't have to make a whole new ssh connection each time you issue a cvs command |
| 09:39.13 | fromz | okay. |
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| 09:39.23 | peterS | ardy: the CVS_RSH variable only needs to be set on your local box |
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| 09:39.24 | AdrianLP | Why does dummy.o go missing after you compile once? How do you recompile a kernel when this file goes missing on every compile? |
| 09:39.29 | ardy | peterS: well, I want it to use ssh because I have a ssh client for windows that I want to beable to use when I'm booted into windows |
| 09:39.32 | kuru | wols: thanks.. |
| 09:39.33 | nkuttler | wuhuu: change to a different terminal and run dhclient |
| 09:40.01 | fromz | Someoen answered this before, and my buffer's been wiped by the chat in here - how do I get KDE 3.x on Woody? The defaults have given me 2.2 |
| 09:40.13 | peterS | ardy: that's fine. fsh is just a wrapper around ssh, which caches the connection and reuses it. you have to have it installed at both ends of the pipe. but it's optional - just because you have it installed on the server does not mean you need to use it |
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| 09:40.18 | kuru | hrmm.. says non-us/main doesn't exist. |
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| 09:40.51 | Madkiss | Hi all |
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| 09:41.01 | ardy | oh.. ok.. well, anyway.. how should I setup cvs on the linux machine to use the remote repository |
| 09:41.03 | FraDe | Madkiss: hi |
| 09:41.03 | Madkiss | Somebody has experience with Linux on XFS? Is it stable, can one use it for desktops? |
| 09:41.21 | wols | kuru: are you using a US server for this nonus line? |
| 09:41.22 | wuhuu | nkuttler: i tried this already and it said dhclient: command not found |
| 09:41.28 | wols | Madkiss: very stable |
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| 09:41.38 | wuhuu | or pump: command not found |
| 09:41.39 | wols | kuru: http://nonus.debian.org/README.non-US |
| 09:41.43 | AMIGrAve | is cdrecord broken or something for plextor cd writers ? |
| 09:41.54 | nkuttler | wuhuu: no /sbin/dhclient ? |
| 09:42.10 | nkuttler | wuhuu: or /sbin/pump ? |
| 09:42.17 | wuhuu | no |
| 09:42.27 | nkuttler | wuhuu: your installer is broken. where did you get it from? |
| 09:42.35 | wuhuu | debian.org |
| 09:42.53 | wuhuu | it was the sarge current cd build |
| 09:42.57 | wuhuu | from yesterday |
| 09:43.16 | nkuttler | wuhuu: you can ask at #debian-boot |
| 09:43.23 | wuhuu | thx |
| 09:43.47 | muntyan | Hello everybody. What's the good way to get gtk-2.4 on Debian-testing? |
| 09:44.15 | peterS | muntyan: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 09:44.21 | kuru | wtf |
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| 09:44.30 | AdrianLP | Any thoughts on missing dummy.o? I just uncompressed a brand new linux source. make menuconfig, and then ran make-kpkg ... But cp complains that it can't stat dummy.o, that it's non existant. |
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| 09:44.53 | wols | AdrianLP: which part of the kernel is supposed to have dummy.o? |
| 09:45.24 | AdrianLP | wols ... /kernel/drivers/net by the looks of it. |
| 09:45.27 | fromz | Someoen answered this before, and my buffer's been wiped by the chat in here - how do I get KDE 3.x on Woody? The defaults have given me 2.2 |
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| 09:45.34 | kuru | finally |
| 09:45.40 | kuru | wols: thanks a million |
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| 09:45.54 | thu | any idea what package contains the LuxiMono font? |
| 09:45.57 | muntyan | peterS: what's that? is it like stable or testing? |
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| 09:46.20 | wols | AdrianLP: try to comment out the option which enables dummy.o. I think it's some sort of dummy network device. I doubt you'd need that |
| 09:46.21 | peterS | muntyan: 'experimental' is where packages live that are considered not yet ready to go in unstable, but the maintainer *does* want wider testing of |
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| 09:46.43 | muntyan | peterS: how do I get them? |
| 09:46.44 | FraDe | AdrianLP: try to kill dummy.o and restart make |
| 09:46.54 | peterS | muntyan: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 09:47.53 | AdrianLP | Ignoring compiling/configuring and installing the new kernel, does one need to do anything special to run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:48.00 | mattias``` | Hello. Yesterday I got a problem, without doing anything I couldn't connect to irc with my debian computer anymore. I can connect to irc with all my other computers, what can be wrong? |
| 09:48.07 | AdrianLP | Can you use 2.6 with Testing? |
| 09:48.11 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 09:48.14 | wols | AdrianLP: you will need module-init-tools |
| 09:48.23 | devote | I've just checked out WineX fresh from cvs, but it gives me a big bunch of compile errors :( about undefined variables. |
| 09:48.24 | wols | but they are apt-gettable in testing and unstable |
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| 09:48.37 | ardy | peterS: if I want to set the CVS_ROOT whats the command I put before it when placing it in .bash_profile file |
| 09:48.47 | wols | ardy: export |
| 09:48.53 | peterS | ardy: normally you don't worry about CVSROOT |
| 09:48.56 | ardy | wols: thanks |
| 09:49.00 | muntyan | peterS: ?? I'm sorry, I don't understand |
| 09:49.04 | peterS | ardy: normally you just use 'cvs -d {some cvs root} checkout ..." |
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| 09:49.17 | peterS | ardy: and then after running that one command you don't have to worry about setting the cvs root manually any more |
| 09:49.17 | FraDe | mattias```: what youre irc cleint wrote? |
| 09:49.20 | wols | peterS: and normally people are lazy typists :) |
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| 09:49.41 | peterS | wols: typing it once in 'cvs checkout' is easier, IMO, than calling up an editor for .bashrc and typing it there |
| 09:49.58 | AdrianLP | wols: module-init-tools says it manages kernel modules. This is needed for 2.6? Why? |
| 09:50.12 | mattias``` | frade, connection refused. I saw now that I couldn't connect anywhere with the computer. I tried to update the system but I can't reach the debian-sites |
| 09:50.17 | wols | AdrianLP: cause the kernel modules part changed |
| 09:50.20 | peterS | AdrianLP: because kernel modules changed a great deal between kernel 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 09:50.42 | peterS | AdrianLP: thus, 'modprobe' and friends were rewritten from scratch. and that's what module-init-tools provides. |
| 09:50.48 | FraDe | mattias```: may be dns? |
| 09:50.54 | AdrianLP | peterS: I see. |
| 09:50.59 | ardy | peterS: whats the difference between using -d option and just setting the CVS_ROOT? |
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| 09:51.14 | peterS | ardy: no difference |
| 09:51.50 | peterS | ardy: my point is, the only cvs command you normally need that for is the initial checkout, which you only do once. so setting a variable for it seems like overkill |
| 09:51.50 | mattias``` | FraDe, hm, what should I try to do? :o I'm in a network, the debian server is the gateway but all the other computers can reach www |
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| 09:52.13 | wols | mattias```: defaultroute or dns most likely |
| 09:52.22 | mattias``` | wols, k |
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| 09:52.32 | wols | mattias```: can you ping other PCs in your LAN? |
| 09:52.59 | FraDe | try to connect by IP address |
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| 09:53.05 | FraDe | mattias``` try to connect by IP address |
| 09:53.12 | peterS | ardy: also, if you hack on multiple repositories from multiple CVS servers, setting a variable is annoying because you'd have to change it for each one you check out |
| 09:53.14 | mattias``` | wols, no I get 100% packetloss. |
| 09:53.20 | mattias``` | FraDe, I've already tried :/ |
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| 09:53.27 | wols | mattias```: check defaultroute and your current IP |
| 09:53.36 | FraDe | and mask |
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| 09:54.22 | mattias``` | wols, sorry but I don't know where defaultroute is? :o |
| 09:54.22 | Slotman | is thier a installation manual for woody about? |
| 09:54.37 | peterS | Slotman: yeah. go to www.debian.org, follow a couple of links |
| 09:54.41 | wols | mattias```: /sbin/route |
| 09:54.56 | Slotman | thanx |
| 09:55.13 | Mafteah | somone have manual on installing gtk2.4 on debian? |
| 09:55.14 | peterS | Slotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 09:55.37 | wols | tell Mafteah about experimental |
| 09:55.38 | mattias``` | wols, can I paste to you what's written there? |
| 09:55.43 | wols | !tell Mafteah about experimental |
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| 09:55.49 | wols | mattias```: paste in #flood |
| 09:55.49 | devote | does anyone here have experience with compiling WineX from cvs ? |
| 09:55.52 | lknyshov | mattias```: /usr/sbin/ifconfig -a should tell you just about everything. |
| 09:55.57 | muntyan | I added experimental to apt sources.list; libgtkmm-2.4 is there but libgtk-2.4 is not. how can I get it? |
| 09:55.59 | RolandU_ | my gtk1-fonts are ugly - gtk-theme-switch has no effect. Don't know what to do. Plz hlp. |
| 09:56.06 | mattias``` | wols, k |
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| 09:56.24 | lknyshov | OK... time to sleep. Good night everyone |
| 09:56.31 | mattias``` | lknyshov, k |
| 09:57.13 | ardy | peterS: ok well, I'm using kdevelop as my IDE... |
| 09:57.20 | tobiasH | hi, i set up a fresh sid with kernel 2.6 and installed the nvidia drivers via apt-get, but now i can only load them with "insmod /lib/modules/2.6.6/nvidia/nvidia.ko" instead of "modprobe nvidia" |
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| 09:57.38 | peterS | ardy: I've never used kdevelop, so I can't tell you anything about its integration with cvs, if any |
| 09:57.39 | wols | tobiasH: get module-init-tools |
| 09:57.42 | Mafteah | wols: when i do 'apt-get -t experimental source gtk+2.0' its downloading unstable 2.2.4 :( |
| 09:57.49 | ardy | peterS: oh ok |
| 09:58.07 | tobiasH | wols, i have it already |
| 09:58.26 | wols | tobiasH: then something went wrong on install |
| 09:58.35 | wols | run depmod -a again |
| 09:59.24 | tobiasH | did that already, too ;) |
| 09:59.26 | jaxxan | i'm having trouble getting my screen blanking to work on my laptop |
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| 10:00.01 | jaxxan | anyone have experience with acpi and acpid in linux 2.6.*? |
| 10:00.13 | jaxxan | nvidia also |
| 10:00.50 | jaxxan | i gotta 4200 GO 64mb |
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| 10:01.16 | Mafteah | wols: when i do 'apt-get -t experimental source gtk+2.0' its downloading unstable 2.2.4 :( |
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| 10:02.02 | jaxxan | experimental --- unstable |
| 10:02.07 | jaxxan | makes a match to me |
| 10:02.22 | Mafteah | humm what i need to do? |
| 10:02.42 | nevyn | experimental !- unstable |
| 10:03.00 | RolandU | jaxxan: windows is not experimental but still unstable |
| 10:03.01 | thu | I'm trying out 2.6 from experimental and gconf2 is acting up.. it will refuse to start together with X but it will eventually come up |
| 10:03.09 | Mafteah | how i cange to experimental? |
| 10:03.23 | thu | any idea how I can get some debugging output from gnome? |
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| 10:04.53 | Mafteah | eal: Couldn't find package gtk+2.0 |
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| 10:05.59 | ardy | peterS: do you know of any good references on how to program kde apps that use the kde framework but also use openGL? |
| 10:06.22 | peterS | ardy: no idea. I don't use Qt or KDE, and I only have limited OpenGL experience |
| 10:06.33 | ardy | peterS: oh.. |
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| 10:07.33 | Mafteah | how to use experimental/ |
| 10:07.36 | sandos | does installing module-init-tools on testing mean I should be able to boot 2.6? |
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| 10:07.57 | jaxxan | what's a utitlity that i can use to scan an IP range for Open Ports and active IP addresses ? |
| 10:07.58 | wols | sandos: yes. you can boot 2.6 without them, just not load any modules |
| 10:07.59 | Penix | Mafteah: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using it |
| 10:08.05 | wols | jaxxan: nmap |
| 10:08.12 | sandos | wols: yeah, youre rught |
| 10:08.13 | sandos | right. |
| 10:08.19 | muntyan | Mafteah: I got it. apt-get -t experimental install libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 10:08.33 | sandos | I could. something about "setting up console" though blocked the startup, Im running a headless machine |
| 10:08.52 | muntyan | Mafteah: at least it's downloading it |
| 10:08.55 | wols | sandos: I run it on a headless machine just fine |
| 10:09.14 | sandos | but that was without modules. oh, yeah, I just mean Im too lazy to switch over the screen/keyboars so I hope this will work =) |
| 10:09.38 | Mafteah | libgtk==gtk? |
| 10:10.09 | Penix | Mafteah: no. libgtk is kde |
| 10:10.09 | Penix | !cluebat Mafteah |
| 10:10.09 | sandos | =) |
| 10:10.09 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:10.09 | jaxxan | looks like the perfect tool |
| 10:10.09 | muntyan | gtk is libgtk |
| 10:10.18 | Mafteah | heh |
| 10:10.28 | muntyan | gtk 2 is libgtk2.0 |
| 10:10.50 | streuner | !gtk |
| 10:10.50 | dpkg | [gtk] GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
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| 10:12.04 | Mafteah | ii libgtk2.0-0 2.4.1-2 The GTK+ graphical user interface library |
| 10:12.20 | Mafteah | now i can compile xchat with gtk2.4? |
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| 10:12.46 | ardy | peterS: yeah it worked fine with the -d... thanks |
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| 10:12.55 | peterS | ardy: cool |
| 10:12.56 | Penix | Mafteah: does xchat use any of 2.4's features? |
| 10:13.02 | streuner | Mafteah: why do you want compile xchat? |
| 10:13.03 | Mafteah | yeah |
| 10:13.12 | ardy | peterS: how much do you know about bsd? |
| 10:13.13 | Mafteah | better hebrew support |
| 10:13.21 | ardy | peterS: FreeBSD |
| 10:13.30 | peterS | ardy: very little |
| 10:13.35 | muntyan | don't know about xchat but I can compile my program |
| 10:14.11 | Mafteah | ok im trying |
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| 10:14.31 | muntyan | good night everybody |
| 10:15.01 | ardy | oh.. well, you probably wont know but there is a linux driver for the ami megaraid express 000 (762) but there is not one for FRee BSD.. how hard would it to take the code for the linux one and compil it to woek with FreeBSD? |
| 10:16.17 | sp00 | installed mod_python, but it don't work. i have uncommented the Loadmodule, am i missing anything? |
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| 10:17.25 | AdrianLP | Hmmm, if I go from 2.4.21 kernel, to 2.4.26, and my ethernet card is still detected fine, is there any reason why my PPPoE connection will no longer connect? |
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| 10:18.14 | wols | run pppoe -A on it |
| 10:18.16 | jaxxan | nice |
| 10:18.19 | wols | see if you can get to your ISP |
| 10:18.47 | AdrianLP | wols: That returns three lines, it seems to have foudn the provider fine. |
| 10:19.14 | wols | then you should be able to connect |
| 10:19.44 | wols | enable debug with pppd and look into syslog |
| 10:19.53 | AdrianLP | wols: It's when using adsl-start that it never connects. Then even when I hit ^c, and try adsl-start again, it complains that there is already a connection up (which there does not seem to be) |
| 10:20.22 | wols | if pppd is running, there is a connection (sort of) |
| 10:20.30 | wols | check your syslog for errors |
| 10:20.39 | wols | most probably PAD0 timeout or such |
| 10:21.12 | ardy | peterS, wols: night |
| 10:21.15 | ardy | tty |
| 10:21.18 | sandos | ok, that went mostly fine. it still halts at "setting up general console font" |
| 10:21.29 | Mafteah | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 10:21.30 | Mafteah | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:21.32 | Mafteah | :( |
| 10:22.09 | AdrianLP | wols: "Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument", "read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 4147: Input/output error" |
| 10:22.13 | AdrianLP | Is what I get. |
| 10:22.36 | wols | I'd say you haven't put ppp support in your new kernel |
| 10:23.00 | wols | AdrianLP: custom kernel? |
| 10:23.03 | AdrianLP | wols: PPPoE and PPP are on in the kernel, but what was a module to use TTY, which is not on. |
| 10:23.09 | AdrianLP | wols: Custom, yes. |
| 10:23.41 | wols | are you using kernel level pppoe or rp-pppoe? |
| 10:24.29 | AdrianLP | wols: I have the kernel module installed, but I'm using rp-pppoe... I think. I set it up a year'ish ago. |
| 10:24.48 | AdrianLP | wols: I don't have "PPP support for sync tty ports" installed. That's required? |
| 10:25.01 | RolandU | what do I do if gtk-theme-switch does not work? |
| 10:25.13 | wols | actually I dunno. I have set it to Y, just like ASYNC support |
| 10:25.34 | wols | basically everything except kernel level PPPoE which is a module (but I use rp-pppoe too) |
| 10:25.40 | AdrianLP | wols: I don't have async on either. It says it's for COM ports,. |
| 10:26.01 | wols | enable them |
| 10:26.01 | Mafteah | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!? what does it mean? |
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| 10:26.15 | wols | since you either need async or sync. one of them is needed afaik |
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| 10:29.26 | sap | how do you determine what file system (ext2 etc) a disk is using? |
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| 10:29.43 | sap | it's actually a software raided disk, if that makes a difference |
| 10:29.49 | wols | sap: run "mount" |
| 10:29.54 | wols | it will tell you |
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| 10:30.51 | sap | wols: i'm trying to setup my fstab and put the fs in there for this disk, won't mount use those settings? |
| 10:30.57 | Zarbuck | when i get to installing the base system i get a debootstrap error... failed getting release file... also i can't change my mirror now... i get a bad archive mirror error every time i try... any one seen this before? |
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| 10:31.13 | jaxxan | nmap is kewl. thanks alot. |
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| 10:31.38 | wols | sap: mount the disk with various settings for -t (ext3,ext2,reiser,xfs,...) and see what finally works |
| 10:31.47 | wols | if you found it, use that in /etc/fstab |
| 10:32.05 | sap | wols: hmm, ok thanks |
| 10:32.22 | AdrianLP | When compiling my kernel I get this again: cp dummy.o /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.26-ati/kernel/drivers/net/ |
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| 10:32.40 | AdrianLP | There seems to be no process identified with it, and lsmod does not list any loaded module. |
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| 10:33.00 | AdrianLP | ...someone suggested earlier to stop it. It doesn't seem to exist though. |
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| 10:34.43 | Mafteah | ok i got xchat with gtk 2.4 :D |
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| 10:36.03 | Mafteah | how can i keep my version and not update xchat on apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:36.42 | linuxfreck | apt: tell Mafteah about hold |
| 10:36.56 | Mafteah | thnks all :D |
| 10:37.05 | jaxxan | where would i go to find out what application/service typically runs on a specific port? |
| 10:37.30 | jaxxan | 32772/tcp open sometimes-rpc7 |
| 10:37.41 | jaxxan | sometimes-rpc7? |
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| 10:39.10 | Mafteah | echo xchat install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 10:39.15 | Mafteah | sould it help? |
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| 10:39.24 | wols | jaxxan: /etc/services lists the known ports |
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| 10:39.35 | jaxxan | thanks |
| 10:39.52 | jaxxan | that's awesome |
| 10:39.53 | Mafteah | its not working |
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| 10:40.12 | Mafteah | hold not working |
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| 10:40.18 | wols | jaxxan: but this doesn't mean squat since any app can open any port if it wishes, especially non priviledged ones |
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| 10:40.59 | jaxxan | i think i need to run my own firewall on here |
| 10:41.07 | knoppix | How would I tell my computer to suspend? |
| 10:41.11 | knoppix | i'm running knoppix |
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| 10:41.20 | wols | knoppix: #knoppix |
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| 10:41.22 | aZ[a]ZeL | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 10:41.24 | sciboy | Hi guys... |
| 10:41.29 | knoppix | ty anyway. |
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| 10:41.45 | wols | jaxxan: why? just don't run unecessary crap |
| 10:41.45 | jaxxan | what is a good firewall that i can monitor logs and stuff that's console based |
| 10:42.09 | jaxxan | to help me detect unwanted stuff on my network |
| 10:42.09 | sciboy | I just did a Hd Install of morphix and upon booting, the fonts/text on my screen were so big i could see 6/7ths of my screen...? Whats going on? |
| 10:42.10 | AdrianLP | When is it important to do 'make mrproper' when dealing with kernels? It seems to deleted required files. |
| 10:42.19 | dli | I'm going to install alsa-source rather than alsa in kernel, what should be enabled in kernel for sound support? |
| 10:42.20 | sciboy | Its most probably a NVIDIA thing.... |
| 10:42.53 | jaxxan | for instance, if a windows box on my network gets a worm that's flooding my network, if i was running a firewall on my laptop i would know about it when it tries to scan me on some weird port. |
| 10:43.05 | sciboy | Cause the same thing happened with my proper Debian isntallation when i inserted the NVIDIA drivers.. |
| 10:43.08 | wols | AdrianLP: if you want to remove old, stale files from a previous compile |
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| 10:43.18 | jaxxan | when it tries to replicate itself |
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| 10:43.49 | wols | jaxxan: that's wrong. a firewall is not for detecting such things. snort and portsentry are |
| 10:43.54 | AdrianLP | wols: So between compiles. |
| 10:43.54 | Mafteah | how do i hold xchat? |
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| 10:44.11 | jaxxan | i ran signal9 on my windows box and i always knew when someone was scanning my irc channel on efnet for whatever trojans and crap. |
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| 10:44.31 | AdrianLP | wols: Do you only need it if you're recompiling the same (exact same) source, and you on longer wanted modules you installed previous? |
| 10:44.31 | wols | and pretty much everything malware related uses port 80,135,139,445 now. how do you want to stop that? |
| 10:44.41 | jaxxan | cause it would hit my firewall and i'd see the not-normal request. |
| 10:44.42 | nkuttler | Mafteah: /msg dpkg hold ? |
| 10:44.53 | Mafteah | ops my mistake |
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| 10:45.05 | wols | jaxxan: chances are the ports I mentioned are already open... |
| 10:45.11 | wols | for samba,apache,etc |
| 10:45.41 | jaxxan | snort runs all the time ? |
| 10:45.41 | wols | and if they aren't, you don't need a firewall, since the ports aren't open anyways |
| 10:45.47 | wols | I told you you want portsentry |
| 10:45.52 | jaxxan | and alerts you to strange network activity ? |
| 10:46.16 | wols | yes. but you will need some time to configure it. this is not some fire and forget thing |
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| 10:48.01 | jaxxan | ur right |
| 10:48.10 | DaveHope | when trying to compile stuff on my debian server (my desktops are debian too, don't worry) I get the error "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables", I know I need the extra C includes, but which package is it? :P |
| 10:48.18 | jaxxan | reading about those packages finished now. portsentry looks great. |
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| 10:49.10 | liqid | Debian is wonderful is it not? |
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| 10:49.30 | liqid | gah |
| 10:49.33 | dmnd | liqid: what do you expect for an answer in a channel called #debian liqid ? |
| 10:49.49 | liqid | dmnd: ^ |
| 10:50.04 | defcon8 | do i have to do apt-get check after apt-get update or does it update the cache automatically? |
| 10:50.23 | liqid | defcon8, How do you mean? |
| 10:50.31 | wols | defcon8: you don't |
| 10:50.43 | wols | apt-get update, then just install or upgrade whatever you want |
| 10:50.45 | AdrianLP | dmnd: I thought he was being rhetorical. |
| 10:50.49 | sciboy | Anyone ever had any problems with the NVIDIA drivers? Eg. Huge Fonts? |
| 10:51.08 | sciboy | Ridicously Huge Fonts? |
| 10:51.16 | defcon8 | wols, thanks |
| 10:51.26 | AdrianLP | Maybe it's to balance Mozilla's ridiculously small fonts. |
| 10:52.00 | jaxxan | sciboy: yes, you need to change something in your kdm file... hold on a sec and i'll tell you |
| 10:52.24 | sciboy | jaxxan, this is the second time this had happened :( |
| 10:52.25 | jaxxan | sciboy: if you were to quit kdm and 'startx' from the console your fonts should be normal |
| 10:52.36 | jaxxan | sciboy: sec while i find the file to fix it. |
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| 10:53.21 | jaxxan | edit your /etc/kde3/kdm/xservers file |
| 10:53.51 | sciboy | jaxxan, i am running on a live distro atm... |
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| 10:54.03 | jaxxan | add '-dpi 80' to your :0 local@tty1 line |
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| 10:54.21 | jaxxan | mine looks like :0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 80 -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 10:54.23 | sciboy | liqid is wrong :( |
| 10:54.27 | sciboy | Morphix... |
| 10:54.36 | liqid | OIC |
| 10:54.37 | jaxxan | bah |
| 10:54.41 | liqid | gah |
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| 10:55.19 | jaxxan | well anyways, when you get rid of that and install debian, that's how to fix your fonts when they are overly large in X when using KDM |
| 10:55.41 | liqid | well said jaxxan |
| 10:56.09 | sciboy | jaxxan, i did and the same thing happened on debian... |
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| 10:56.29 | jaxxan | it's a bug in kde3.2. |
| 10:57.11 | jaxxan | 3.1 didn't have that, for some reason, kde decided to specify dpi or not specify or something. |
| 10:57.39 | jaxxan | actually, not a bug, just that they decided not to control that i guess? |
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| 10:57.55 | DaveHope | when trying to compile stuff on my debian server (my desktops are debian too, don't worry) I get the error "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables", I know I need the extra C includes, but which package is it? :P |
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| 10:58.12 | sciboy | jaxxan, one prob... |
| 10:58.15 | jha | --retr-symlinks |
| 10:58.19 | jaxxan | k |
| 10:58.19 | wols | defcon8: libc6-dev? |
| 10:58.20 | sciboy | jaxxan, I don't think i have KDM or KDE? |
| 10:58.27 | defcon8 | wols, what? |
| 10:58.35 | defcon8 | no im not |
| 10:58.40 | liqid | Oh yes Debian... you are beautiful. |
| 10:58.44 | wols | DaveHope: libc6-dev |
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| 10:58.48 | liqid | brb |
| 10:58.53 | sciboy | jaxxan, kinda makes your solution hard to use ^^ |
| 10:59.09 | wols | DaveHope: but usually, if the compiler lacks a header file, the error should tell you that |
| 10:59.11 | jaxxan | *shrug* if your fonts are overly big for some weird reason ( like using large fonts in windows ) it's cause of DPI |
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| 10:59.31 | nkuttler | DaveHope: install libc6-dev |
| 10:59.34 | DaveHope | wols: Thanks..Already got that tho, still getting that error.. |
| 10:59.42 | haakon | hmms, I just installed debian sid, and I can't seem to ssh in from the outside, even though I installed it and enabled it.. any special things I'd have to do to enable it? |
| 10:59.56 | wols | I'd think it's more like a missing linker or such |
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| 11:00.15 | DaveHope | wols: Probably :/ |
| 11:00.25 | DaveHope | wols: Any idea how I can find out what I'm missing? |
| 11:00.28 | wols | DaveHope: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/c_compiler_cannot_create_executables.html |
| 11:00.51 | DaveHope | wols: Thanks, will read that now. |
| 11:00.55 | ramasun | short question: how do I overwrite my mysql-root-password? purging/reinstalling did not help :) |
| 11:00.59 | wols | DaveHope: do you have gcc installed? |
| 11:01.08 | DaveHope | wols: Yup |
| 11:01.11 | nkuttler | ramasun: install mysql-doc |
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| 11:01.49 | nkuttler | DaveHope /msg dpkg ./configure |
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| 11:02.23 | DaveHope | nkuttler: thanks. |
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| 11:05.43 | AdrianLP | I have a wheel mouse for X. How do I get X and GPM to play nicely together? |
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| 11:07.41 | Manny | hi :) |
| 11:07.52 | Manny | I'd like to volunteer for mono debian packaging |
| 11:07.59 | Manny | how can I get involved? |
| 11:08.08 | Manny | no progress for months :( |
| 11:08.14 | peterS | AdrianLP: depends on your kernel version and your mouse type |
| 11:08.27 | peterS | AdrianLP: if it's a USB mouse, or if you're using kernel 2.6, it's very easy |
| 11:08.33 | peterS | AdrianLP: otherwise, it's only somewhat easy |
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| 11:09.13 | peterS | Manny: Debian unstable has the mono libs in it - have you looked at that? are there problems? |
| 11:09.19 | Zap-W | hi |
| 11:09.36 | AdrianLP | peterS: 2.4.26, and generic wheel mouse. I think if I tell GPM it's an ms mouse, then point X to gpmdata it may work? |
| 11:09.38 | TomaHawK | how do I let exim deliver mail to maildir format mailboxes ? |
| 11:09.38 | Zap-W | does anyone know the difference between pdns and bind |
| 11:09.57 | peterS | AdrianLP: sorry. I meant, is it plugged into a USB port or a PS/2 port? |
| 11:09.59 | The_Vulture | TomaHawK: I use procmail for that.. |
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| 11:10.15 | The_Vulture | don't recall what I did specifically, but it all works.. |
| 11:10.18 | TomaHawK | how? |
| 11:10.23 | Manny | they've got 0.31 |
| 11:10.24 | AdrianLP | peterS: Hmmm, I answered the wrong question. It's PS/2, and it's plugged into PS/2 |
| 11:10.37 | peterS | AdrianLP: ok. tell gpm to use device "/dev/psaux" and protocol "exps2" |
| 11:10.45 | peterS | AdrianLP: tell it your repeat_type is "ms3" |
| 11:10.55 | peterS | AdrianLP: then tell XFree86 to use /dev/gpmdata with protocol "IntelliMouse" |
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| 11:11.01 | edrin | hi |
| 11:11.15 | peterS | AdrianLP: also, make sure in the XFree86 mouse config, you have a line: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 11:11.39 | peterS | AdrianLP: if gpm does not work with protocol "exps2", btw, use protocol "imps2" instead |
| 11:11.46 | peterS | AdrianLP: the rest of my instructions don't change |
| 11:11.47 | Manny | there are test packages available. Sorry for bugging you. |
| 11:11.53 | AdrianLP | peterS: Thanks. |
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| 11:12.18 | TheCoolSnail | still doesn't work..nothing helps!! |
| 11:12.21 | edrin | i have a new installation of debian testing. accidently i installed alsa stuff. now i noticed that i do not need them and removed the packages with aptitude. whatever on boot and on kdestartup there are error messages about alsa. how do i cmpletly remove the alsa (config) stuff??? |
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| 11:13.10 | e2e | edrin: dpkg -P packagename |
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| 11:13.34 | simonrvn | edrin: man dpkg, man aptitude |
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| 11:13.55 | edrin | ? |
| 11:14.00 | edrin | how can this help? |
| 11:14.09 | edrin | well |
| 11:14.26 | TheCoolSnail | ifconfig still shows interrupt:5 |
| 11:14.30 | edrin | i already removed it with aptitude. but there are still settings somewhere |
| 11:14.32 | simonrvn | "give a man a fish, feed him for a day, give a man a fishing pole, feed him for life" |
| 11:14.34 | anthony_ | salut a tous |
| 11:14.44 | TheCoolSnail | Help me! |
| 11:14.46 | simonrvn | edrin: _ to purge in aptitude |
| 11:14.49 | The_Vulture | edrin: right, and if you read the man page (and/or listen to e2e) you'll find out how to remove them.. |
| 11:14.54 | The_Vulture | s/page/pages/ |
| 11:15.03 | peterS | anthony_: et a toi-meme |
| 11:15.06 | AdrianLP | peterS: gpmconfig gives a Repeat Protocol, not just "protocol" or "repeat_type" |
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| 11:15.10 | The_Vulture | but I really doubt having a few configs lying around would cause any otehr package to emit errors.. |
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| 11:15.21 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: yeh |
| 11:15.22 | edrin | i tried _ to remove the p already |
| 11:15.22 | peterS | AdrianLP: repeat protocol is "ms3" |
| 11:15.28 | edrin | but it doesnt do anything |
| 11:15.35 | peterS | AdrianLP: it will write it as "repeat_type=ms3" in /etc/gpm.conf |
| 11:15.37 | helix | hmm, peterS helping someone with mouse problems.. surprise |
| 11:15.47 | peterS | helix: heh |
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| 11:16.02 | The_Vulture | edrin: exactly what errors are you getting from where? |
| 11:16.10 | peterS | helix: I wasn't even watching #debian, I was off scanning stuff ... but somehow the mouse problem drew me in (: |
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| 11:17.13 | The_Vulture | peterS: "abandon all hope, ye who enter here" :) |
| 11:17.13 | Manny | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/csharp.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common <-- can I force the thingie to overwrite existing files? |
| 11:17.24 | TheCoolSnail | Qui, Vous parlez francais tous?! LOL |
| 11:17.33 | TheCoolSnail | Quoi |
| 11:17.38 | TheCoolSnail | ** |
| 11:17.42 | peterS | TheCoolSnail: no, most of us speak mostly English |
| 11:17.46 | TheCoolSnail | OK |
| 11:17.48 | TheCoolSnail | LOL |
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| 11:19.05 | Toastie | Anyone here uses an ACL patch for ReiserfsV3? |
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| 11:21.07 | edrin | The_Vulture: in .xsession-errors: kmixctrl: ERROR: Can not find alsa mixer |
| 11:21.26 | edrin | and on boot a similar thing (where can i see the boot log?) |
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| 11:22.49 | haakon | anyone know of a good GUI frontend to configure iptables and ipchains? |
| 11:22.49 | nkuttler | edrin: dmesg |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | haakon: i like shorewall much (for iptables) |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | haakon: not really gui, but far easier than iptables directly |
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| 11:23.39 | helix | http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html |
| 11:23.39 | edrin | The_Vulture: in .xsession-errors: kmixctrl: ERROR: Can not find alsa mixer |
| 11:23.39 | edrin | and on boot a similar thing (where can i see the boot log?) |
| 11:23.39 | tarzeau | has someone got a pbuilder to try something for me? |
| 11:23.42 | e2e | haakon: I used firestarter it's a gui ant very useful |
| 11:23.49 | haakon | thanks |
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| 11:24.16 | liqid | firestarter is good. |
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| 11:25.27 | nkuttler | helix: sounds like a hoax |
