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| 14:42.54 | *** topic/#debian is klecker.debian.org (security, non-us) is down (captured by martians, the end is nigh) | Unborked: tar (fixed in -2) || 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 14:43.06 | AdrianLP | Would it be too slow to access 600 individual profiles from a single machine? |
| 14:43.14 | deego | is the apt bot down? |
| 14:43.20 | asg | ~bugger deego |
| 14:43.25 | jm_ | Adrian: it's as fast as your server/LAN |
| 14:43.25 | vi | i think so. |
| 14:43.25 | silentrob | depends on how many people are accessing at the same time ;) |
| 14:43.28 | jm_ | deego: /msg dpkg instead |
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| 14:43.32 | nevyn | AdrianLP: samba proviles? |
| 14:43.47 | deego | jm_: thanks, was looking for news on security.debian.org, dpkg has none |
| 14:43.48 | Supaplex | lol samba... |
| 14:43.51 | silentrob | nevyn: for an all Debain network??? |
| 14:44.02 | jm_ | deego: no news yet |
| 14:44.03 | bob2 | asg: would you mount each home dir invidividual, or just export /home from the file server in it's entireyu? |
| 14:44.07 | asg | deego: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=1kzvO-3Yf-5%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dwhy%2Bis%2Bklecker%2Bdown%2Bdebian%2B2004%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D1kzvO-3Yf-5%2540gated-at.bofh.it%26rnum%3D1 |
| 14:44.17 | asg | bob2: the latter |
| 14:44.27 | walther | really strange: user can't see his files via ftp, rights just the same as woring ones.. what is happening? |
| 14:44.27 | AdrianLP | jm_: So throw enough money at it, and it'll be ok? Cool. Would a dedicated machine be in order? I plan on putting a transaction machine at the same place, one that records trouble tickets for consumers that log in. Maybe one machine dedicated to hosting profiles? |
| 14:44.32 | arauko | im getting an error on xine |
| 14:44.36 | AdrianLP | nevyn: Proviles? |
| 14:44.38 | deego | thanks asg |
| 14:44.45 | nevyn | silentrob: hrm. there's something to be said for some kind of logon script that mounts the particular users home from the samba server directly |
| 14:44.47 | asg | bob2: that link has some info on klecker, don't know if you've seen it yet |
| 14:44.48 | arauko | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 14:44.48 | arauko | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.48 | arauko | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.48 | arauko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.54 | iapx | xome sux |
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| 14:44.57 | iapx | xine |
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| 14:45.01 | iapx | xine sux |
| 14:45.02 | alexander | i'm getting "INIT: error reading initrequest" errors constantly |
| 14:45.02 | Rawplayer | k |
| 14:45.14 | nevyn | silentrob: in particular from a security and authentication pov. |
| 14:45.16 | asg | iapx: and the point of that outburst was? |
| 14:45.20 | jm_ | AdrianLP: just test it within existing environemnt, see how it works - it's hard to predict such answers, it depends on users a lot |
| 14:45.26 | silentrob | nevyn: But with samba, you lose things like permissions... which you get with NFS |
| 14:45.32 | iapx | asg what outburst |
| 14:45.40 | Supaplex | AdrianLP there is a way to split home directories into /home/a/apt/ and /home/d/dpkg and /home/s/supaplex. then, if neccessary, you could use multiple machines for hosting home directories |
| 14:45.44 | nevyn | NFS trusts the media toomuch methings. |
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| 14:45.48 | nevyn | silentrob: bollocks. |
| 14:45.49 | asg | iapx: xome sux\nxine\nxine sux |
| 14:45.55 | walther | which user and rights are needed for ftp? (please help) |
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| 14:46.01 | iapx | asg ramping dislexia |
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| 14:46.16 | alexander | also, proftpd is segfaulting, ping is coredumping, and X is restarting at random |
| 14:46.21 | AdrianLP | jm_: Trouble is, it's a hypothetical environment. |
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| 14:46.28 | nevyn | LDAP is the correct distributed directory/user auth service I think... but NFS I'm less sure of. |
| 14:46.31 | asg | AdrianLP: oh, then' I'd use magic |
| 14:46.33 | jm_ | alexskan: using unstable ? |
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| 14:46.39 | AdrianLP | asg: Magic? |
| 14:46.42 | asg | AdrianLP: j/k |
| 14:46.45 | iapx | asg the real meaning was xine sux. The Thought behind it was: use mplayer |
| 14:46.48 | AdrianLP | asg: :) |
| 14:46.49 | bob2 | asg: ah, thank you |
| 14:46.50 | asg | AdrianLP: much more secure than nfs |
| 14:47.02 | AdrianLP | asg: Indeed, and causes no network traffic. |
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| 14:47.11 | asg | bob2: np |
| 14:47.11 | alexander | jm_: yes |
| 14:47.15 | asg | AdrianLP: :) |
| 14:47.17 | Lorvija | asg: there isnt iptables howto in tldp... |
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| 14:47.27 | jm_ | alexander: tried downgrading the packages that got upgraded lately ? |
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| 14:47.38 | nevyn | asg: NFS has a problem where if you allow someone root access on any client they can access all files on the nfs server... |
| 14:47.44 | nevyn | not good. |
| 14:47.47 | alexander | jm_: tried a few, that i thought might be init-related |
| 14:48.03 | asg | Lorvija: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:n4M_Z7T9y_IJ:www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/+iptables+howto&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 14:48.18 | iapx | klecker was comproised? |
| 14:48.20 | asg | nevyn: I know, I've never been thrilled about nfs. It does make a good network fs though |
| 14:48.23 | alexander | jm_: note than i'm on amd64, but nobody ever replies in #debian-amd64 |
| 14:48.23 | Lorvija | ok |
| 14:48.38 | Supaplex | nfs can be configured to not trust users below a certian uid/gid (say, 1000 for instance) |
| 14:49.03 | jm_ | alexander: not many users I guess - anyway, if it worked before, it either means upgrade broke it, or hardware broke |
| 14:49.06 | AdrianLP | nevyn: Is there a fix for this NFS problem? |
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| 14:49.25 | nevyn | asg: in any sort of modern network with laptops it's a nightmare. |
| 14:49.29 | alexander | jm_: upgrade broke it, i'm pretty sure, but what packages should i try downgrading? |
| 14:49.38 | jm_ | alexander: all that got upgraded ? |
| 14:49.38 | asg | nevyn: sure |
| 14:49.41 | iapx | I got serious problem with Samba. but it's not debian related. it's me that-i'm-dumb-related. But a good doc to understand the mechanics of it? |
| 14:49.49 | nevyn | AdrianLP: that's why I say samba with logon scripts that auth and then mount that users homedirectory. |
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| 14:50.01 | asg | iapx: O'Reilly's online Using Samba book. Google for it |
| 14:50.05 | alexander | jm_: i dont even know everything that got upgraded, it was 400 packages or something |
| 14:50.06 | Supaplex | AdrianLP just configure it to remap/ignore log uid/gid users. You'll have to readup on it, because I haven't used nfs for .. uhm... ages yea.. |
| 14:50.11 | jm_ | alexander: tough luck |
| 14:50.11 | bob2 | iapx: /topic |
| 14:50.11 | bob2 | and odn't spread FUD |
| 14:50.14 | iapx | asg I go for it :) |
| 14:50.20 | turricane | sorry, newb question ;) how to save changes on a file with vi? |
| 14:50.26 | asg | turricane: :x |
| 14:50.35 | asg | turricane: or :w (if you don't want to quite vi) |
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| 14:50.46 | nevyn | Supaplex: doesn't fix the inherant problem.. |
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| 14:50.48 | asg | s/quite/quit/ |
| 14:50.51 | pooh2k3 | When it asks for a driver, does the kernel that created the driver have to match the booting kernel? |
| 14:50.53 | turricane | ok thanks |
| 14:50.53 | AdrianLP | Supaplex: I may do that for my own sake, the project does not require me to go into anywhere near that much detail though. |
| 14:51.01 | asg | turricane: and try /usr/bin/vimtutor |
| 14:51.11 | asg | turricane: it'll help you get the basics down |
| 14:51.14 | alexander | jm_: any guesses on what packages in particular would bork things so badly? |
| 14:51.17 | Supaplex | nevyn granted. |
| 14:51.25 | jm_ | alexander: libc6 is always a good choice |
| 14:51.35 | Supaplex | anyway, i'm oph tew WERK! |
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| 14:52.10 | nevyn | AdrianLP: I've been meaning to investigate intermezzo. |
| 14:52.16 | nevyn | but havn't yet gotten to it. |
| 14:52.22 | nevyn | has anyone played with it? |
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| 14:53.02 | AdrianLP | nevyn: I don't think it provides an identification system. |
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| 14:53.15 | iapx | asg now I seeee |
| 14:53.33 | nevyn | AdrianLP: identifcation or authentication? |
| 14:53.49 | AdrianLP | nevyn: identification. |
| 14:54.06 | AdrianLP | nevyn: Of course the freshmeat descript might be old. |
| 14:54.15 | nevyn | AdrianLP: what filesystem does? |
| 14:54.18 | erox | @all hi |
| 14:54.30 | AdrianLP | nevyn: Sounds cool though, from the writeup on their homepage. |
| 14:54.31 | erox | dam i?ve got a problem with the cron |
| 14:54.58 | asg | erox: man 5 crontab |
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| 14:55.25 | erox | i have entered a simply cmd in /etc/crontab with 00 0 * * * comamnd.it doesnt start at 00:00. deamon is running?????? |
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| 14:56.44 | OUTsider | ok, I just made a kernel image using make-kpkg kernel_image and the alsa drivers using make-kpgk modules_image |
| 14:56.55 | jm_ | erox: /etc/crontab also has username field ... |
| 14:57.02 | walther | guys, this is driving me up the wall: why does on user see his files via ftp while the other one doesn't, rights are just the same |
| 14:57.09 | Rawplayer | OUTsider :p |
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| 14:57.13 | OUTsider | kernel_image (2.6.1) installed fine, but when trying to do the alsa-kernel image it biatches about: |
| 14:57.18 | OUTsider | wat mot jij hier ? :) |
| 14:57.20 | scarynetworkguy | tonight we murder |
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| 14:57.31 | Rawplayer | vervelen ;p |
| 14:57.36 | OUTsider | ik merk het :) |
| 14:57.40 | OUTsider | anyways... |
| 14:57.56 | OUTsider | Unpacking alsa-modules......deb (--install): |
| 14:58.02 | alexander | jm_: but i cant downgrade libc6, because that will remove everything that depends on it |
| 14:58.03 | erox | yes i filled in root |
| 14:58.13 | jm_ | alexander: of course it will |
| 14:58.14 | OUTsider | dkpg: error processing alsa-modules*.... |
| 14:58.19 | erox | but it doesnt want to work? any ideas??? |
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| 14:58.49 | erox | is this not correct "00 0 * * * root command" ??? |
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| 14:58.57 | OUTsider | trying to overwrite '/DEBIAN/postinst', which is also in package kernel-image-2.6.1 |
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| 14:59.02 | erox | for everyday at 00:00 ??? |
| 14:59.15 | OUTsider | Rawplayer : snap ik, maar dan gaan andere dingen mis :) |
| 14:59.23 | Rawplayer | zoals ? |
| 14:59.29 | Rawplayer | s-ata ? |
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| 14:59.35 | jm_ | OUTsider: this is english speaking channel |
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| 14:59.45 | AdrianLP | So we're working on this Client/Server project, developing a rough sketch of an "N-Tier" network. I wish the distinction between "Business Services" and "Data Services" wasn't so fuzzy. |
| 14:59.47 | iapx | OUTsider tar fucked up? |
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| 14:59.52 | AdrianLP | in my mind anyway. |
| 14:59.55 | OUTsider | iapx : not anymore |
| 15:00.13 | OUTsider | iapx: that was before, now another, self created package screwed up |
| 15:00.25 | iapx | OUTsider I see |
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| 15:00.31 | OUTsider | iapx: somehow it smells like dpkg fuxored up |
| 15:00.34 | dragonkh | hello - I just apt-got samba |
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| 15:00.44 | dragonkh | but my /etc/samba dir is empty |
| 15:00.56 | OUTsider | iapx: kernel-image-2.6.1 got installed from fresh kernel sources |
| 15:01.05 | dragonkh | where can I get a sample smb.conf from ? |
| 15:01.12 | iapx | OUTsider that's pretty bad |
| 15:01.15 | OUTsider | iapx: now I tried make-kpkg modules_image, worked |
| 15:01.17 | harsha123 | hey i need to create a Packages.gz , my debs are stored in a directory /foo/bar/packages/ and my Packages.gz should have path names like /packages/package.deb |
| 15:01.48 | OUTsider | iapx: but when I dpkg -i alsa-modules...., then I get this error about /DEBIAN/postinst which is also in the kernel-image deb |
| 15:02.07 | erox | i dont check it.when i use kcron, its working. but a manuall entry in /etc/crontab isnt working. why???? |
| 15:02.10 | nevyn | AdrianLP: on a second reading of their site it sounds like it's still got big performance issues (intermezzo) |
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| 15:02.18 | jm_ | harsha123: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 15:02.23 | cygar | Has anyone made Load Balancing using LVS ? |
| 15:02.30 | iapx | dragonkh do your own I guess it's bettea look at w.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/index.html |
| 15:02.34 | cygar | I have a few of doubts about a proyect I got to dol. |
| 15:02.36 | asg | erox: paste your single /etc/crontab line |
| 15:02.38 | harsha123 | jm_: yep.. hmmm.. am kinda stuck with the command |
| 15:02.44 | Maulkin | erox: Erm, try adding to your crontab by using the crontab command. |
| 15:02.46 | OUTsider | erox: /etc/crontab is the global cron, if it doesn't work, then cron is probably not running, or the entry is wrong |
| 15:02.47 | snoke | anyone, how i can convert UTF8 to gsm charset ? |
| 15:02.52 | iapx | dragonkh do your own I guess it's bettea look at www.oreilly.com\catalog\samba2\book |
| 15:02.56 | jm_ | harsha123: there are howtos for creating your own apt repositories |
| 15:03.08 | jm_ | snoke: and what would GSM charset be ? |
| 15:03.10 | harsha123 | jm_: ok |
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| 15:03.30 | jerome | snokesnokesnoke |
| 15:03.36 | erox | 00 0 * * * root rundig |
| 15:03.44 | pro | where do I start reading on howto setup a wireless card? |
| 15:03.46 | OUTsider | hmmm |
| 15:03.47 | snoke | jm_: sory i mean gsm sms charset, dunno what it is |
| 15:04.01 | OUTsider | erox: I suggest to use the full path to rundig |
| 15:04.01 | iapx | pro hostap? |
| 15:04.03 | jm_ | snoke: well how will you convert to it if you don't know how it looks like ? |
| 15:04.10 | pro | i have orinoco cards, one in a laptop and one in a PC |
| 15:04.18 | erox | ive started crondeamon manually its still in the procces. |
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| 15:04.25 | iapx | pro no ap? |
| 15:04.27 | asg | erox: does /var/log/syslog show cron running at midnight? |
| 15:04.35 | jm_ | snoke: either way, UTF8 -> GSM charset is probably an impossible conversion, unless you're talking about very limited UTF8 subset |
| 15:04.38 | fflush | is lspci supposed to list mini pci cards? like my wifi card that commes with my toshiba satellite? |
| 15:04.41 | pro | what is ap? |
| 15:04.48 | OUTsider | erox: /exec -o which rundig |
| 15:04.49 | iapx | access point? |
| 15:05.06 | erox | hm |
| 15:05.12 | sussudio | asg: i think kawfee ended up with russian mail badgers |
| 15:05.13 | pro | oh, no I dont have access point, its just 2 cards |
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| 15:05.25 | asg | sussudio: hehe |
| 15:05.28 | pro | my PC and my GF's notebook |
| 15:05.36 | snoke | jm_: yes. like that what convert chars what are supported in gsm |
| 15:05.37 | sussudio | asg: dyslexia's a bitch |
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| 15:05.43 | OUTsider | erox: when you type that in your xchat it will paste the location where rundig is located into this channel |
| 15:05.57 | pro | they both pcmcia cards and the one in the PC has an isa2pcmcia bridge |
| 15:05.59 | iapx | pro if one of them supporst hostap, and I think they do, search google for hostap |
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| 15:06.05 | asg | sussudio: don't know any girls named dyslexia but I'll take your word for it |
| 15:06.07 | sxpert | asg: uh, ahem. how do I do that ? |
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| 15:06.08 | jco | hina_, anyone using smsc-ircc2 driver with kernel >= 2.6.1? |
| 15:06.08 | dom | when I try to install debian and boot from the mini-cd (10 mb iso) it constantly hangs with the langchooser, as if my keyboard just doesnt'work, i've got a laptop (compaq evo n150v) and I already tried with another keyboard, can anyone help me out? |
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| 15:06.11 | OUTsider | erox: what you do is change the line in /etc/crontab to specify rundig with the full path, not just the command itself |
| 15:06.24 | OUTsider | erox: it could be that rundig is not in the default path which cron uses |
| 15:06.30 | erox | ok |
| 15:06.32 | jco | hi, anyone using smsc-ircc2 driver with kernel >= 2.6.1? |
| 15:06.41 | pro | i know the cards work on 2 machines on windows, the guy that gave them to was doing that |
| 15:06.43 | jm_ | snoke: well I don't know, I have never seen it, google arround and find out if it's a known character set |
| 15:06.44 | iapx | pro http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html and so on |
| 15:06.48 | atki | dom: can you switch to second TTY, by pressing f2 button? |
| 15:06.48 | erox | but its in path? |
| 15:06.52 | asg | sxpert: the information in /msg dpkg experimental should guide the way |
| 15:07.01 | jm_ | dom: tried /msg dpkg install loop ? |
| 15:07.07 | OUTsider | erox: maybe not, hence why I advise you to specify the full path |
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| 15:07.23 | dom | jm_ i will try |
| 15:07.24 | iapx | pro apt-get search hostap |
| 15:07.25 | iapx | az |
| 15:07.29 | OUTsider | erox: e.g. : 00 0 * * * root /path/to/rundig |
| 15:07.29 | jm_ | dom: actually /msg dpkg woody install loop -- not sure if this is the same as yours |
| 15:07.30 | iapx | pro apt-cache I mean |
| 15:07.47 | dom | atki what is tty ? |
| 15:07.53 | asg | erox: try using '0' instead of '00' |
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| 15:08.10 | erox | ok |
| 15:08.13 | erox | i try it |
| 15:08.13 | asg | erox: according to crontab(5), the values are 0-59 |
| 15:08.14 | sxpert | asg: ah, ok, thanks |
| 15:08.14 | erox | thz |
| 15:08.14 | OUTsider | asg: shouldn't make any diff :) |
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| 15:08.21 | asg | OUTsider: shouldn't but ... |
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| 15:08.21 | CaKoRt | hi |
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| 15:08.34 | OUTsider | asg: referring to murphy's law ? :) |
| 15:08.45 | asg | OUTsider: hehe |
| 15:08.57 | OUTsider | anyways, how about this dpkg issue ? :) |
| 15:09.11 | asg | OUTsider: actually, Murphy's Irish Stout Law. If in doubt, drink on it and try all possibilities |
| 15:09.11 | Rawplayer | OUTsider: arent you on undernet anymore ? |
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| 15:09.24 | Lorvija | any ideas when klecker will be up again? |
| 15:09.31 | OUTsider | Rawplayer : not at the moment, will be in a few |
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| 15:09.33 | erox | oki |
| 15:09.36 | sussudio | !topicfuck Lorvija |
| 15:09.38 | asg | Lorvija: sometime today unless something went horribly wrong |
| 15:09.38 | PerfDave | If I have a self-signed CA certificate which I trust, how do I get SSL-aware applications (like Mozilla and Psi) to recognise it? |
| 15:09.41 | OUTsider | Rawplayer : btw, are you at work ? |
| 15:09.44 | Lorvija | ok, thx asg |
| 15:09.45 | Rawplayer | yup |
| 15:10.09 | jps | PerfDave: you import it into mozilla's certificate manager |
| 15:10.16 | PerfDave | I tried popping it in /etc/ssl/certs/ but that didn't seem to work |
| 15:10.21 | OUTsider | Rawplayer : tell the boss that I've sent the papers and that they need to be at there destination before the 6th |
| 15:10.28 | PerfDave | jps: How about for other SSL-aware applications? |
| 15:10.36 | OUTsider | Rawplayer : including a copy of the last loan |
| 15:10.51 | jps | PerfDave: it depends on the application, java has a keystore manager, etc |
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