| 00:00.01 | FreshUsr | is that whats on it? |
| 00:00.06 | juice_top | sussudio: care to tell me? :) |
| 00:00.07 | maher | juice_top: use apt-cache search |
| 00:00.16 | sussudio | !tell juice_top about search |
| 00:00.25 | mentor | FreshUsr: (did you install a kernel-image)? |
| 00:00.25 | FreshUsr | or is it 2.4.20? |
| 00:00.26 | FreshUsr | i dunnoo |
| 00:00.32 | juice_top | ok, thanks |
| 00:00.33 | FreshUsr | what ever was on the cd |
| 00:00.37 | mentor | FreshUsr: uname -r |
| 00:00.38 | maher | FreshUsr: uname -a |
| 00:00.38 | js_ | ubame -r |
| 00:00.39 | FreshUsr | i only used the first cd |
| 00:00.41 | js_ | mah |
| 00:00.47 | Moparpwr | When ls a dir, is there a way you can go page by page? |
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| 00:01.00 | maher | Moparpwr: ls | less |
| 00:01.09 | Moparpwr | maher: Great, thanks |
| 00:01.10 | mentor | FreshUsr: You don't remember if you installed a package called 'kernel-image-*'? |
| 00:01.12 | FreshUsr | what is "uname -r" do? |
| 00:01.20 | maher | FreshUsr: man uname |
| 00:01.25 | ozfrog | tells you kernel version |
| 00:01.29 | mentor | FreshUsr: Linux version. man uname |
| 00:01.29 | FreshUsr | oh |
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| 00:01.50 | juice_top | um guys, apt-cache search firebird returns nothing |
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| 00:01.58 | mentor | ~find firebird |
| 00:02.03 | zeke | can lilo be installed without a bootup menu, so it automagically loads an entry. |
| 00:02.05 | ozfrog | juicetop Google for it |
| 00:02.07 | hanasaki | can debian sarge play encrypted dvds and if so.. what do i need to aptget?? |
| 00:02.11 | FreshUsr | well i won't be able to tell you that now cause i'm on the computer |
| 00:02.34 | maher | zeke: set timout to 0 |
| 00:02.35 | juicetop | ozfrog: heh, can't NO browser. :(' |
| 00:02.36 | EmleyMoor | OK... now I have the external hard disk on backup, time to retrieve the internal one and put that in another machine for the same purpose |
| 00:02.39 | mentor | hanasaki: A DVD player and a CSS decryptor...Debian doesn't distribute a CSS decryptor. |
| 00:02.53 | zeke | maher: thanks much. i needed a workaround to re-writing a windows mbr. |
| 00:02.54 | hanasaki | ah thanks mentor .. where can i get one? |
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| 00:03.04 | mentor | hanasaki: Try apt-get.org |
| 00:03.08 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 00:03.10 | ozfrog | juicetop wget? |
| 00:03.17 | mentor | FreshUsr: OK, what ppp software have you installed? |
| 00:03.22 | juicetop | ozfrog: that I have.... |
| 00:03.40 | juicetop | ozfrog: its not a browser though..... |
| 00:03.53 | ozfrog | juicetop then something like wget google/firebird |
| 00:04.06 | FreshUsr | ok tell you what you tell me what you need to know, i'll reboot and get all the information you guys need to help on this, i've been trying to connect for 3days and still nothing:( |
| 00:04.06 | juicetop | ozfrog: ok, thanks |
| 00:04.10 | maher | ozfrog: firebird is a database - mozilla-firebird is the browser |
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| 00:04.21 | FreshUsr | please help guys, what do you need to know? tell me what i should do on the shell i will reboot and come back and tell you |
| 00:04.44 | ozfrog | maher so be it |
| 00:04.47 | mentor | ~tell FreshUsr about repeat |
| 00:04.50 | mentor | FreshUsr: OK, what ppp software have you installed? |
| 00:04.52 | maher | juice_top: firebird is a database - mozilla-firebird is the browser |
| 00:05.05 | maher | ozfrog: sorry - that was for juice_top |
| 00:05.08 | glick | hmm there is no bunzip2 in debian woody? |
| 00:05.09 | juice_top | maher: ok, thanks |
| 00:05.11 | FreshUsr | i didn't repeat :| |
| 00:05.12 | ozfrog | maher np |
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| 00:05.17 | mentor | FreshUsr: It might be an idea to go and read a pppoe configuration/installation howto. |
| 00:05.21 | glick | i cant find it via apt-cache search either |
| 00:05.25 | mentor | FreshUsr: uh, yes you did. |
| 00:05.27 | FreshUsr | i did |
| 00:05.35 | FreshUsr | it doesn't mention how |
| 00:05.52 | FreshUsr | all it says is download a pppoe software for 3rd party |
| 00:05.52 | maher | glick: bzip |
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| 00:06.08 | FreshUsr | but doesn't debian 3.0 on the first cd pppoe is providided isn't it? |
| 00:06.09 | mentor | FreshUsr: Look for a better howto? |
| 00:06.14 | Moparpwr2 | better? |
| 00:06.17 | zeke | is there a way to remove only outdated .debs from the archive? |
| 00:06.29 | mentor | zeke: autoclean? |
| 00:06.30 | FreshUsr | for 3 days what do you think i've ben trying to do? |
| 00:06.32 | glick | maher, apt-get install bzip cant be found |
| 00:06.36 | FreshUsr | :) |
| 00:06.36 | maher | glick: bzip2 |
| 00:06.40 | holycow | http://www.simnacher.net/konserve/screenshots.html <-- neat |
| 00:06.48 | zeke | mentor: i want to keep anything that hasn't become obsolete. can autoclean do that? |
| 00:06.50 | ozfrog | mentor Google/Speedbundle - It's mainly for Alcatel Speedcom 330 dsl modem, but tthe howto gives you all the necessary pppoe install stuff you need |
| 00:07.16 | Moparpwr2 | mwilson: If you can let me know how to copy and paste in this terminal, I'll give you thewhole log file. |
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| 00:07.36 | mentor | zeke: man apt-get |
| 00:07.39 | kawfee | !rot13 sussudio |
| 00:07.40 | dpkg | fhffhqvb |
| 00:07.50 | kawfee | sussudio: where is fhffhqvb |
| 00:07.58 | mentor | FreshUsr: http://www.hut.fi/~mtpajari/hoasnet_debian.htm |
| 00:07.59 | ozfrog | Moparpwr don't you dare, paste in #flood or risk all hell breakin' loose |
| 00:08.23 | FreshUsr | thank you mentor :) |
| 00:08.42 | Moparpwr2 | Probably not a good idea... I hear you |
| 00:08.56 | sussudio | kawfee: under your bed. |
| 00:09.02 | zeke | anyone know of a .deb that supports decompressing/making .zip files? |
| 00:09.14 | FreshUsr | oh one more thing |
| 00:09.18 | FreshUsr | what does this mean? |
| 00:09.19 | FreshUsr | pppoe: Timeout waiting for PADO packets |
| 00:09.23 | FreshUsr | sorry |
| 00:09.35 | sussudio | ~tell FreshUsr about flood |
| 00:09.37 | KarlosII | zeke: zip ? |
| 00:09.47 | xsdg | sussudio: 2 lines? |
| 00:09.58 | sussudio | xsdg: 5 |
| 00:10.00 | Moparpwr2 | maher: Have time to help me with my X problem? |
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| 00:10.39 | kawfee | sussudio: wrong |
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| 00:12.17 | FreshUsr | what does this mean? "pppoe: Timeout waiting for PADO packets" |
| 00:12.36 | sussudio | ~aolify FreshUsr |
| 00:12.45 | bolly | Moparpwr: sarge works fine :) |
| 00:12.52 | bolly | Moparpwr: \o/ |
| 00:13.06 | M3TUS | does anyone have an idea why a given user's crontab file won't "cron"?? crontab -l lists the command well enough, and it runs fine on it's own (in a terminal), i'm also fairly certain the fields for specifying when it is to run are correct |
| 00:13.16 | Moparpwr | bolly: Great, glad you could get it up and running |
| 00:13.29 | Mookie | When compiling a kernel package from source package, what file contains the menuconfig (or xconfig) settings? |
| 00:13.44 | Moparpwr | bolly: Now if I could get X up on my system, I'd be in heaven. |
| 00:13.50 | kawfee | sussudio: 12:55 <xsdg> sussudio's not really worth arguing with (on-channel, at least) |
| 00:14.02 | bolly | Moparpwr: do you have an ipower 5000? |
| 00:14.12 | cafuego | FreshUsr: Generally means the isp's authentication server is down. |
| 00:14.14 | Moparpwr | bolly: No idea |
| 00:14.21 | FreshUsr | can't be |
| 00:14.27 | xsdg | kawfee: eh? |
| 00:14.28 | cafuego | FreshUsr: Alternatively you're using the wrong user/password |
| 00:14.31 | Moparpwr | bolly: laptop? |
| 00:14.32 | bolly | Moparpwr: ah ok :) i was just wondering if you had the same notebook as me |
| 00:14.40 | cafuego | FreshUsr: OR the access concentrator can't be found |
| 00:14.43 | FreshUsr | but it doesn't even ask for my username password |
| 00:14.44 | juicetop | Is there anychance of someone just telling me the name of the mozilla firbird package? I've searched the web and everything seems to point to the name "mozilla-firebird" but thats not it and apt-cache search turns up nothing. |
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| 00:14.48 | kawfee | xsdg: I know hwo sussudio is |
| 00:14.54 | Moparpwr | bolly: I wish. That'd be nice. Thanks though |
| 00:14.56 | FreshUsr | i think your right cafuego |
| 00:15.08 | ozfrog | Mookie If your going for dpkg -i, then /etc/kernel-package.conf |
| 00:15.19 | knoppix_ | drted |
| 00:15.38 | TheBlueWizard | zeke: try unzip for decompressing, and I believe zip itself for making zip files. do note that they are in non-free |
| 00:16.23 | holycow | http://www.gpsdrive.cc/index.shtml <-- jesus f christ, what doesnt open source have a solution to? |
| 00:16.24 | holycow | man usually you gotta pay for stuff like that |
| 00:16.24 | TMM | glick, it's called "bzip2" |
| 00:16.24 | TMM | glick, that'll install a binary called "bunzip2" too |
| 00:16.24 | Mookie | ozfrog: Actually, I meant, compiling to package it. |
| 00:16.41 | Moparpwr | maher: Was it you who said the EE errors are more important? I get "No devices detected" |
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| 00:16.57 | zeke | TheBlueWizard: any free version? i'd really love to be able to use zip files... |
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| 00:17.07 | FreshUsr | mentor: hey what is this for, http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hendry/content/hoasnet/LinuxHOASnet.tar? |
| 00:17.17 | FreshUsr | do i need that? |
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| 00:17.54 | glick | i cant understand why people still use gzip instead of bzip2 |
| 00:17.56 | mwilson | When did unzip get put into non-free? |
| 00:17.57 | TheBlueWizard | zeke: my knowledge is limited to within potato....you can browse debian.org/packages to see if there is any free version (some work required, unfortunately) |
| 00:18.00 | glick | bzip2 is clearly superior |
| 00:18.05 | deadcat | !+findb libmikmod |
| 00:18.20 | deadcat | !+find libmikmod |
| 00:18.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libmikmod' (2 shown): libmikmod2 ;; libmikmod2-dev. |
| 00:18.27 | Moparpwr | mwilson: What info do you need to help me with X? |
| 00:18.37 | xsdg | it's been there for a while, iirc |
| 00:18.37 | zeke | TheBlueWizard: i'll look. |
| 00:18.59 | CompWizrd | Filename: pool/main/u/unzip/unzip_5.50-1woody2_i386.deb |
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| 00:19.10 | CompWizrd | thoguht non-free went somewhere else |
| 00:19.27 | mwilson | Why would unzip be in non-free? What about the info-zip license is non DFSG? |
| 00:19.32 | ozfrog | Mookie Well, if you go the Debian road, then you use make-kpkg for compiling, and /etc/kernel-package.conf, will automatically call whatever you stipulate ( xconfig/menoconfig etc) during that process, this will make a custom .deb package that you can install with dpkg -i later. you must edit & add the necessary line ( which I gforget) menuconf=xconfig or something similar) in /etc/kernel-package.conf |
| 00:19.39 | xsdg | CompWizrd: no, non-free is in pool, non-US is on a different server (but still in pool, I think) |
| 00:19.45 | CompWizrd | vrms doesn't complain about unzip |
| 00:20.07 | mwilson | rei $ dpkg -s unzip | grep Section |
| 00:20.07 | mwilson | Section: utils |
| 00:20.12 | mwilson | It's not in non-free. |
| 00:20.15 | CompWizrd | Filename: pool/non-free/q/qpage/qpage_3.3final-3_i386.deb |
| 00:20.17 | CompWizrd | there's a non-free one |
| 00:20.24 | TheBlueWizard | hmm....looks like zip and unzip are now free...my mistake *blush* |
| 00:20.31 | mwilson | rei $ dpkg -s nvidia-glx | grep Section |
| 00:20.31 | mwilson | Section: non-free/x11 |
| 00:20.39 | mwilson | *nVidia* is in non-free. |
| 00:20.44 | mwilson | See the difference? |
| 00:20.50 | CompWizrd | yeah, i was looking at section as well |
| 00:20.57 | Unfrgiven | im having trouble setting up WEP on my wifi card. it compains saying Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument. |
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| 00:21.27 | juicetop | ok, is it possible to have mozilla-firebird with woody? |
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| 00:21.37 | ozfrog | Mookie if you need more informed advice, ask mwilson - I bow to superior knowledge |
| 00:21.47 | mwilson | Huh? Why are you inviolving me? |
| 00:21.56 | mwilson | involving, even? |
| 00:22.10 | ozfrog | mwilson coz you know more than I do :) |
| 00:22.20 | bolly | i like the popularity-contest idea |
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| 00:23.04 | ozfrog | mwilson and by the time he reads up on make-dpkg and dpkg -i, we'll both be in bed :) |
| 00:23.49 | mwilson | ozfrog: I'm not about to waste my time helping someone with make-kpkg. |
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| 00:24.00 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: What driver are you using and what card is it? |
| 00:24.16 | mwilson | ozfrog: That would lead to someone else USING make-kpkg. |
| 00:24.19 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Also try 'eth0' and not 'ath0' |
| 00:24.19 | ozfrog | mwilson Don't then - let people wade through the doc like we've all done |
| 00:24.34 | mwilson | Perhaps you have. I've never bothered with it. |
| 00:24.55 | mwilson | I happen to think it's one of the more idiotic Debian-isms. |
| 00:25.12 | cafuego | meh, fucking postscript errors |
| 00:25.14 | ozfrog | mwilson Aha , you're a 'make' man then |
| 00:25.18 | Justin__ | if you cant figure out the one option needed to make-kpkg, compiling a kernel without it is likely going to be futile |
| 00:25.57 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: I'm using the madwifi driver on a Netgear WG311 card. I have the card showing up and i can connect to the machine via wireless without problems. im having problems with "iwconfig ath0 key xxxx". also to make my linux machine an access point i had to bridge the eth1 and ath0 interfaces. but as a result im unable to have MAC access control on just ath0. is it possible to do this? |
| 00:26.29 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Yes, note the difference between "ath0" and "eth0" |
| 00:26.42 | mwilson | Are you trying to have MAC access control, or are you trying to set a WEP key? |
| 00:27.06 | Unfrgiven | mwilson: both. but id like to address WEP key first |
| 00:27.21 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Surely that driver doesn't use nonstandard device names? |
| 00:27.44 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: why would eth0 have anything to do with iwconfig? eth0 and eth1 are pci ethernet cards. my wifi card shows up as ath0 |
| 00:28.11 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Ok, so you have a driver that uses dumb names. Normal drivers just use ethX for wifi. |
| 00:28.26 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Can't you use a normal kernel driver with it?> |
| 00:28.40 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: Any number of wireless cards are eth0. |
| 00:28.49 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: Most are, in fact. |
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| 00:29.08 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: What chipset does the card use? |
| 00:29.21 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Is it an orinoco or a prism2? |
| 00:29.22 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: Does the driver you're trying to use support the wireless-extensions? Sounds like it doesn't. |
| 00:29.31 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: atheros. no builtin drivers in the linux kernel |
| 00:29.50 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Did you enable wirless extensions in the kernel like you should? |
| 00:29.55 | Unfrgiven | mwilson: well im able to use iwconfig to configure it. i can set the channel, rate, etc. and atm the it is working |
| 00:30.11 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: But does it support setting keys? |
| 00:30.15 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Ok, so it's only wep it refuses to use. |
| 00:30.21 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: yeah i believe so, the machine wouldnt work as an access point at all then would it? |
| 00:30.21 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Do the driver docs mention anuthing about this? |
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| 00:30.57 | KarlosII | ozfrog and mwilson, if you we ever expect windows users to migrate from windows to linux, we need to teach them with patience |
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| 00:31.20 | Unfrgiven | mwilson, cafuego: yes, the card and driver support it. |
| 00:31.26 | mwilson | KarlosII: Excuse me? Whatever gave you the idea I cared in the slightest if Windows users ever "migrated" to Linux? |
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| 00:31.52 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: is this a valid command for setting a key? "iwconfig ath0 key 012test345"? |
| 00:32.00 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: As far as I can tell from google it's an orinoco card. If you used 'hermesap' on it, you'd be fine. |
| 00:32.07 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: No. |
| 00:32.12 | mhelas | is it possible to register mailto: in Mozilla-Firebird with lets say "xterm -e mutt" |
| 00:32.12 | KarlosII | mwilson: then get lost and SHUDDUP when ppl come asking for help.... |
| 00:32.15 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Strings should be prefixed with s: |
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| 00:32.25 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: iwconfig ath0 key s:012test345 |
| 00:32.25 | mwilson | KarlosII: Even if I did, I certainly wouldn't expect them to be administrators. |
| 00:32.40 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: If you don't prefix it, it will try to parse it as hex. |
| 00:32.48 | mwilson | KarlosII: And finally, whoinhell are you, and exactly what problem do you have? |
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| 00:33.00 | KarlosII | mwilson and to keep referring newbies to man pages is useless, because some of those man pages are crappily written |
| 00:33.18 | mwilson | KarlosII: Really. What man page did I refer someone to? |
| 00:33.18 | simonrvn | KarlosII: don't tell people to 'SHUDDUP' when they've been polite to you |
| 00:33.21 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: oh! hmmm are you sure that the hermesap would work? |
| 00:33.28 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: aha! the s:, let me try that! |
| 00:33.31 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Works a-ok on my orinoco. |
| 00:33.39 | KarlosII | mwilson: I have a problem with people having a lousy attitude in helping others....... yuour one of them |
| 00:33.47 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: But yes, thy s:password first. |
| 00:33.49 | KarlosII | simonrvn: he's never polite to me |
| 00:33.53 | xsdg | KarlosII: please take personal issues off of the channel |
| 00:34.04 | simonrvn | KarlosII: well, you started this right now. i suggest you stop |
| 00:34.21 | simonrvn | and i'd take xsdg's suggestion too |
| 00:34.27 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: nup :( |
| 00:34.28 | KarlosII | xsdg: i certainly will when people stop giving others a hard time because their newbies |
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| 00:34.52 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: have you tried hostap? |
| 00:35.05 | KarlosII | simonrvn: very well.....but I won't hesitate to speak up for newbies |
| 00:35.15 | SuperGeek | opinions ~knoppyx/debian Jr. |
| 00:35.43 | KarlosII | sussudio: gee and it would have been nice if someone had told me all I had to do was load the module cpqarray...ie modprobe cpqarray |
| 00:35.44 | simonrvn | KarlosII: apreciated, but no need for that. the ops can take care of that |
| 00:36.19 | KarlosII | simonrvn: well, then how come it persists in this channel? |
| 00:36.31 | thomas_adam | haha |
| 00:36.43 | mwilson | What *is* this idiot's problem? |
| 00:36.45 | keith | is there a debian help channel? |
| 00:36.48 | keith | or am i sat in it |
| 00:36.52 | KarlosII | mwilson: ppl like you |
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| 00:36.56 | thomas_adam | keith: /topic |
| 00:36.58 | sussudio | !ppl |
| 00:36.59 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 00:37.01 | simonrvn | KarlosII: stop, now. |
| 00:37.04 | Sinistrad | keith, you're in it |
| 00:37.10 | SuperGeek | opinions ~knoppix/debian Jr. |
| 00:37.17 | thomas_adam | not this argument *again* |
| 00:37.19 | KarlosII | simonrvn: so you gonna allow him to conitnue insulting ppl? |
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| 00:37.23 | simonrvn | SuperGeek: what does that mean? |
| 00:37.25 | sussudio | SuperGeek: what's your problem? |
| 00:37.34 | mwilson | KarlosII: Who did I insult, please? |
| 00:37.42 | mwilson | KarlosII: Take your time, I'll wait. |
| 00:37.43 | thomas_adam | KarlosII: he's always been like it, alas. |
| 00:37.46 | simonrvn | KarlosII: you're being very irritating ATM. last warning. stop. take it off-channel |
| 00:37.51 | SuperGeek | no problems lookin for anyone who has used those distros |
| 00:37.56 | KarlosII | <mwilson> What *is* this idiot's problem? fine |
| 00:38.00 | KarlosII | fine |
| 00:38.20 | caphuso | KarlosII: that happened after you attacked mwilson |
| 00:38.39 | mwilson | KarlosII: That'd only be an insult if it weren't true. Prior to that, please. I assume something caused you to attack me. |
| 00:38.39 | sussudio | new on fox.... when cluebies attack! |
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| 00:38.46 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: hostap is only for prism cards right? |
| 00:38.46 | Moparpwr | Is there a way to download a driver off a website, without x? |
| 00:38.50 | KarlosII | caphuso: Because I felt he was having a bad attidue towards newbies |
| 00:38.52 | xsdg | keith: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:38.54 | cafuego | KarlosII: For next time, note that it's much easier to put someone on /ignore then to start complaining liudly. |
| 00:38.59 | simonrvn | Moparpwr: of course |
| 00:39.05 | sussudio | Moparpwr: 'a driver'? |
| 00:39.07 | xsdg | keith: assuming you still have the same question you asked quite a while ago :o) |
| 00:39.10 | caphuso | KarlosII: a lot of people have a bad attitude towards idiots who hide behind the term "newbie" |
| 00:39.20 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: yeah... but the second page I found claimed the card was a prism2.... so I dunno now ;-) |
| 00:39.38 | cafuego | Moparpwr: lynx/links/wget |
| 00:39.41 | Moparpwr | I've been having troulbe with X and someone mentioned trying to get the driver from ATI. Well they have one, but I'm so new to linux, I have no idea how to ge it |
| 00:39.57 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: hehehe ok. but the madwifi (ie atheros) driver does indeed detect my card. |
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| 00:39.58 | hephaistos | i need a little help |
| 00:40.02 | xsdg | cafuego: prism2? you may want to look at prism54.org |
| 00:40.05 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: What does it say about the chipset? |
| 00:40.06 | thomas_adam | hephaistos: /topic |
| 00:40.14 | cafuego | !slap xsdg |
| 00:40.14 | gb | your so new to linux, you've never used a search engine before? |
| 00:40.17 | KarlosII | cafuego: uh and let him chase away newbies..... ...so ALL windows users are idiots.....is the attitude I'm seeing |
| 00:40.25 | hephaistos | i think i did something wrong with my wifi configuration ... |
| 00:40.27 | Moparpwr | cafuego: ? I don't understand |
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| 00:40.47 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: what does what say about the chipset? |
| 00:40.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 00:40.49 | shob | hey.. my locale sez LANG=C and LANGUAGE=us .. how do i change it to en? |
| 00:40.51 | keith | xsdg: no question now was just asking for future |
| 00:40.53 | cafuego | KarlosII: Surely people can fend for themselves, you don't need to be guardian of all those who cannot or will not read documentation. |
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| 00:41.03 | hephaistos | a friend came with a sony clie and a laptop with windows and the connection worked but not for my desktop computer |
| 00:41.11 | gb | KarlosII: wrong I & many others us windows, but to keep elements & pests outside & look through them :) |
| 00:41.13 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: the atheros driver.. when it's loaded |
| 00:41.13 | Moparpwr | simonrvn: Could you walk me through it? |
| 00:41.22 | simonrvn | please drop this |
| 00:41.22 | gb | arrgh use |
| 00:41.24 | xsdg | gb: 8) |
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| 00:41.29 | mark_ | hi |
| 00:41.48 | mark_ | how can i upddate my kde 2.2 on my debian woody? |
| 00:41.52 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: you mean in syslog? |
| 00:41.56 | hephaistos | what we must have in intefaces for the wifi ? |
| 00:42.05 | simonrvn | Moparpwr: apt-get install w3m; then as a normal user run w3m www.ati.com |
| 00:42.13 | streuner | mark_: read topic of #debian-kde |
| 00:42.14 | gb | but in anycase its irrelevant please goto #bitchabout attitudes instead :) |
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| 00:42.34 | simonrvn | Moparpwr: if you need help, it has a help in /usr/share/doc/w3m |
| 00:42.36 | cafuego | probably add "this is a benevolent anarcho-syndicalist channel" |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | in the topic |
| 00:42.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: hehehe |
| 00:42.49 | Moparpwr | simonrvn: Great, thanks alot. |
| 00:42.50 | xsdg | gb: you're off the ball today... no spaces in channel names :o) |
| 00:43.00 | mark_ | thanks |
| 00:43.20 | streuner | mark_: welcome. |
| 00:43.36 | gb | xsdg: /me dun really cre, im certain those that count get the msg |
| 00:43.45 | xsdg | gb: :o) |
| 00:43.48 | gb | yes please cafuego |
| 00:43.48 | bucky | hephaistos, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-wifi |
| 00:43.58 | simonrvn | ow! :P |
| 00:44.07 | gb | to the coffee, not the wedgie :) |
| 00:44.09 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: you know you like it... |
| 00:44.12 | EmleyMoor | Is there a wifi driver out for Centrino yet? |
| 00:44.19 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: poo on you |
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| 00:44.28 | thomas_adam | ~fruitsmite thomas_adam |
| 00:44.32 | | ACTION smites thomas_adam with a pair of apples |
| 00:44.32 | hephaistos | bucky, thanks for the links |
| 00:44.33 | bucky | np |
| 00:44.37 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: close enough |
| 00:44.44 | simonrvn | apple juice |
| 00:44.45 | mwilson | Did I miss something while I was gone? When did I say all Windows users were idiots? Or ANY Windows users, for that matter? |
| 00:44.55 | thomas_adam | mwilson: stop trolling. |
| 00:45.00 | gb | ey any you guys recommend a decent PDA? |
| 00:45.09 | simonrvn | mwilson: it's over |
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| 00:45.10 | thomas_adam | gb: a women? |
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| 00:45.22 | mwilson | What trolling? |
| 00:45.42 | gb | want something that dont come loaded with commercially licensed garbage |
| 00:45.48 | mwilson | I don't mind getting bashed for my opinions when I actually have them, but having one assigned to me bites. |
| 00:46.27 | bucky | EmleyMoor, Linux drivers for the Intel? PRO/Wireless 2100 and 2200BG Network Connection components are currently under development. |
| 00:46.27 | bucky | http://www.intel.com/support/notebook/centrino/sb/cs-006059-prd955.htm |
| 00:46.27 | gb | thomas_adam: nah cost to much to maintain |
| 00:46.27 | RogerRabbit | boa noite pessoal |
| 00:46.27 | thomas_adam | gb: ;) |
| 00:46.27 | Sinistrad | gb, I love my sony clie...but...it is very sony... |
| 00:46.27 | stew | gb apple newton? trs-80 model 100 |
| 00:46.27 | simonrvn | yet another one with a fucked nsswitch.conf |
| 00:46.27 | EmleyMoor | bucky: Great - maybe I will be able to use my laptop at my friend's house without having to use Windows |
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| 00:46.42 | EmleyMoor | (one day) |
| 00:46.42 | bucky | EmleyMoor, someday :^) soon i hope |
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| 00:47.04 | EmleyMoor | I'd travel with my laptop more if I didn't depend on Windows for the wifi |
| 00:47.06 | gb | EmleyMoor: download any one of a number of Live cd dists based on debian then |
| 00:47.30 | xsdg | bucky: http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ |
| 00:47.52 | gb | my cabletrons operate fine in linux & form the backbone of my WAN : |
| 00:47.52 | xsdg | bucky: I'm using Centrino wireless right now :o) |
| 00:47.52 | gb | ) |
| 00:47.54 | bucky | EmleyMoor, listen to xsdg |
| 00:48.08 | ezra | i was just looking at that ndiswrapper two days ago... looks really cool |
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| 00:48.22 | xsdg | ezra: yep... it works too :oP |
| 00:48.26 | ezra | how do i find out if it will work for a NetGear MA-101 card |
| 00:48.39 | xsdg | ezra: try and see? not sure |
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| 00:49.02 | ezra | so there's no list anywhere? |
| 00:50.08 | mark_ | how can update kde on debian woody? |
| 00:50.12 | sussudio | ~tell ezra about google |
| 00:50.16 | ljlane | ezra, is the card installed already? |
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| 00:50.30 | ezra | no ljlane i can't install the card in linux |
| 00:50.45 | ezra | sussudio lol |
| 00:50.48 | ezra | i know about good ;P |
| 00:50.50 | ezra | google* |
| 00:50.55 | ljlane | ezra, if it's in the machine, what does /proc/pci think of it? |
| 00:50.57 | ezra | and i looked on ndiswrapper's page |
| 00:51.17 | xsdg | ezra: you could ask on the mailing list |
| 00:51.21 | ezra | ljlane: i'd have to look i can't do that now though unforunately |
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| 00:53.02 | daemonTED | anyone know how to get dri working on ati radeon 9600???? |
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| 00:53.13 | ljlane | oh, it's wireless and google finds several billion pages on it |
| 00:53.32 | streuner | mark_: /list #debian-kde and read the wiki about |
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| 00:53.55 | streuner | mark_: read the URL in there |
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| 00:55.05 | M3TUS | does anyone have an idea why a given user's crontab file won't "cron"?? crontab -l lists the command well enough, and it runs fine on it's own (in a terminal), i'm also fairly certain the fields for specifying when it is to run are correct |
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| 00:55.52 | caphuso | M3TUS: paste the line |
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| 00:56.03 | streuner | dpkg, no dri is <reply> somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri |
| 00:56.03 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 00:56.21 | Moparpwr | Can Debian decode .rpm files? How? |
| 00:56.22 | M3TUS | is it ok if i paste in here? (or should i do #flood) |
| 00:56.29 | caphuso | M3TUS: one line is ok |
| 00:56.33 | M3TUS | 0 * * * * /usr/bin/wget http://www.goes.noaa.gov/FULLDISK/GPVS.JPG -O ~/"Satellite Imagery"/`date +%Y-%m-%d-%T.jpg` |
| 00:56.34 | juicetop | Anyone have a link to some documentation on the 2.6 kernel & woody? |
| 00:56.47 | EmleyMoor | Moparpwr: Not recommended but if you feel there's no option, install alien |
| 00:56.50 | M3TUS | i'm trying to get that to run once an hour |
| 00:56.52 | simonrvn | @halloween text |
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| 00:56.53 | ravenbird | http://www.linux.org.uk/~davej/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt-devel |
| 00:57.01 | gb | M3TUS: have you assumed the command in question canbe found via a non-existant path in cron perhaps? |
| 00:57.15 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 00:57.22 | caphuso | gb: he specified the full path, so that's not the problem |
| 00:57.29 | Erpo | Hello all. We're considering using debian in the math department at our college, but we've run into a snag. We've installed debian stable, but we've taken the 'tetex' packages from testing. When we upgraded tetex, apt installed glibc from testing as a dependency. Now when we try to start the license manager daemon for another program we run called 'matlab' it gives us an error: "ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno direct |
| 00:57.29 | M3TUS | "non-existant path"?? |
| 00:57.29 | Erpo | ly." I'd appreciate any help or suggestions. |
| 00:57.29 | Moparpwr | EmleyMoor: Yeah, unfortunately. I can't get X up and running, and that is the only thing I haven't tried. At least to my knowledge |
| 00:57.33 | M3TUS | that file is in that location |
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| 00:57.35 | streuner | juicetop: download the package of unstable (kernel-package) and read the woody-HOWTO-Kernel-2.6 |
| 00:57.37 | elephantman | What is the best way to make an incremental backup of certain dir ? |
| 00:57.40 | M3TUS | er, wget i mean |
| 00:57.45 | caphuso | M3TUS: do you get any error mails? |
| 00:57.53 | M3TUS | nope |
| 00:57.59 | simonrvn | M3TUS: try full path of that $HOME dir |
| 00:58.04 | sussudio | M3TUS: you're missing the user |
| 00:58.06 | gb | caphuso: It is if it's the wrong full path :) |
| 00:58.07 | zinx | Erpo: downgrade tetex and glibc and such, then install a backport of tetex instead |
| 00:58.08 | keith | why would i need to run amysql database? |
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| 00:58.26 | simonrvn | sussudio: don't need user in a specific user's crontab :) |
| 00:58.30 | M3TUS | there's a field for the user? |
| 00:58.37 | M3TUS | haven't read anything about that... |
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| 00:59.04 | sussudio | M3TUS: there's also a macro, @hourly |
| 00:59.07 | caphuso | M3TUS: only if you stick the command in /etc/crontab, not if you have it in /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 00:59.33 | Erpo | zinx: Sounds logical. How do I downgrade a package from testing to stable? Also, where could I find a backport of tetex? Would I be able to apt-get it, or would I have to download, compile, and install it myself? |
| 00:59.36 | simonrvn | M3TUS: please don't /msg me |
| 00:59.51 | gb | keith: Better yet Why Not? |
| 01:00.16 | M3TUS | sorry |
| 01:00.19 | cafuego | fucking hell |
| 01:00.28 | keith | i may as well |
| 01:00.29 | zinx | Erpo: there may be a backport of it on apt-get.org |
| 01:00.31 | cafuego | that's 2 birds in a week |
| 01:00.35 | zinx | Erpo: can't help you with the downgrading, though |
| 01:01.05 | juicetop | streuner: thanks |
| 01:01.10 | zinx | Erpo: if there's not a backport, you can try getting the source for the experimental package, then building it with dpkg-buildpackage -- if you're lucky, it will build with no hitches |
| 01:01.19 | gb | cafuego: set messages to 1 or 2, ie dpkg/apt n rest are ignored :) |
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| 01:01.44 | streuner | juicetop: if you get problems to backport packages just take a look at apt-get.org for an backport there... |
| 01:01.47 | zinx | Erpo: though i think the build utilities may have changed |
| 01:01.49 | cafuego | gb: eh? |
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| 01:02.00 | juicetop | streuner: where can I find the woody-howto-kernel? |
| 01:02.03 | gb | irssi config :) |
| 01:02.18 | cafuego | gb: what does irssi have to do with birds? |
| 01:02.47 | gb | lots, both have i in their names :) |
| 01:03.05 | cafuego | gb: 'ir', but still. |
| 01:03.07 | streuner | juicetop: download kernel-package deb, extract with dpkg -x deb or ar x file, and cd /usr/share/kernel-package/ |
| 01:03.19 | cafuego | gb: I was referring to things mu cat dragged in. |
| 01:03.20 | juicetop | streuner: ahh, ok, thanks |
| 01:03.44 | streuner | juicetop: in unstable |
| 01:03.53 | juicetop | streuner: understood |
| 01:03.54 | gb | ahh thought you were refering to morons unable to rtft who /msg you :) |
| 01:04.18 | simonrvn | read the fucking fart? |
| 01:04.21 | cafuego | gb: I have /mode +CE and I disregard msgs from anyone else |
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| 01:05.23 | streuner | juicetop: basically you need module-init-tools |
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| 01:05.30 | simonrvn | cafuego: at least it isn't winCE :P |
| 01:05.36 | majl | Hi, I was using before "xv" but not it looks that this program is not now in unstable..is any way how to install this or is there any replace for "xv" ? |
| 01:05.46 | majl | s/not/now |
| 01:05.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: only the w and n are missing |
| 01:06.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: Now only the 'n' is missing |
| 01:06.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:06.29 | EmleyMoor | majl: Was there any particular feature of xv you liked? |
| 01:06.53 | juicetop | streuner: ok |
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| 01:06.56 | gb | isn't xv non-free? |
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| 01:07.02 | Erpo | zinx: Hmm. It sounds like I have to find some documentation on advanced package management. The other option I was considering was to file a bug report with whoever maintains testing's glibc since it breaks binary compatibility with older software, and then hope that it gets fixed. I don't really know how to go about doing that though. Is there a debian bug reporting howto out there that would tell me how to do this? |
| 01:07.10 | gb | hence it needed to be removed :) |
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| 01:07.20 | streuner | juicetop: do you use DHCP? |
| 01:07.25 | ezra | is there a debian package of postfix that has smtp-auth support compiled in? |
| 01:07.37 | majl | EmleyMoor: another program was not so good as xv |
| 01:07.43 | majl | another programs |
| 01:07.46 | cafuego | ezra: postfix-tls |
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| 01:07.48 | gb | ok time to go look at a houseboat, cheerio kiddies, please play nicely |
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| 01:07.55 | EmleyMoor | imagemagick is a good relatively simple viewer, gimp is a good program for working with pictures. I use both |
| 01:07.56 | juicetop | streuner: yes |
| 01:07.57 | archpollux | what's wrong with libvorbis-dev? |
| 01:08.01 | cafuego | ezra: use in combination with sasls/sasl2-modules |
| 01:08.04 | ezra | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:08.13 | zinx | Erpo: 'reportbug' should get you started |
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| 01:08.21 | ezra | cafuego: you meant sasl/sasl2-modules right? |
| 01:08.22 | streuner | juicetop: pump works find, but you need an backport for dhcp-client then |
| 01:08.30 | zinx | Erpo: you can also check the bugs via the web -- link on http://www.debian.org/ on the left side |
| 01:08.31 | cafuego | ezra: yes |
| 01:08.32 | streuner | s/find/fine/ |
| 01:08.38 | ezra | cafuego: thank you kindly |
| 01:08.38 | zinx | i forget the url to it directly :x |
| 01:08.47 | juicetop | streuner: ok |
| 01:08.50 | cafuego | ezra: Planning on using sasldb or just passwd? |
| 01:08.53 | majl | EmleyMoor: gimp is too slow, now I'm using imagemagick.. |
| 01:09.08 | ezra | cafuego: i have to be honest, i have no idea :P |
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| 01:09.17 | ezra | i was just going to install it, read the docs, and try to configure it |
| 01:09.21 | ezra | what do you reccomend? |
| 01:09.25 | EmleyMoor | Granted, gimp is slow |
| 01:09.31 | zinx | gimp is scriptable |
| 01:09.34 | cafuego | ezra: Just gunna use it with a current mail setup or are you wanting to vhost etc? |
| 01:09.36 | zinx | FWIW |
| 01:09.41 | ezra | oh wait, using passwd would mean using the l/p's of my /etc/passwd file? |
| 01:09.49 | cafuego | ezra: *nod* |
| 01:10.00 | zinx | should be a lot faster to run a script than do it by hand :/ |
| 01:10.01 | ezra | hmm yea i'd need sasldb i guess then |
| 01:10.18 | ezra | i have multiple hosts already configured now in /etc/postfix/virtual |
| 01:10.37 | cafuego | ezra: Well, that depends on if you want mail users as system users or not. if you do PLAIN or LOGIN auth via SSL you won't need sasldb |
| 01:10.59 | Erpo | zinx: That looks good. Thank you for your time and assistance. :) |
| 01:11.02 | muaddib | Question all I am in the process of setting postfix to deliver all mail to IMAP folders but I have a situation were some users won't be using imap and they will have mail sotred is spool directory on the mail server how does one specify multiple transports. Is postfix smart to go through a list to see how to route mail either locally or to imap server and if so how |
| 01:11.10 | cafuego | ezra: I have mail user authentication data in a mysql database and use that. |
| 01:11.14 | ezra | cafuego: i'd rather my mail users were seperate from syustem uysers |
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| 01:11.32 | ezra | they aren't seperate currently, but i wish they were |
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| 01:11.51 | zinx | Erpo: consider "upgrading" to testing or unstable too, if you want to continue using packages from experimental |
| 01:11.55 | ezra | cafuego: nice it's faster since it's using mysql i imagine? |
| 01:12.03 | cafuego | ezra: *nod* Then you get to choose whether you want mysql or ldap for storing the account info. sasl can work with both... and you can pick cyrus or courier for a backend. |
| 01:12.09 | zinx | Erpo: since the experimental packages are going to work a lot better with those |
| 01:12.28 | ezra | cafuego: did you just follow the docs at postfix.org? |
| 01:12.31 | holycow | ezra, how do you setup mail users separate from system users, chroot? |
| 01:12.44 | cafuego | ezra: Welll... it's easier for me to write web-based interfaces to it coz i work with php/mysql a LOT. |
| 01:12.49 | ezra | holycow: by putting their auth info in a mysql db, i beleive |
| 01:12.55 | cafuego | ezra: Didn't have the ldap learning curve. |
| 01:13.18 | ezra | cafuego: nice, yea i don't use ldap, i'm not php/mysql guru or anything but that's what i code in the most |
| 01:13.19 | cafuego | ezra: If you wanna go cyrus I have a nice HOWTO; for courier you'd need to ask bob2 I think. |
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| 01:13.29 | cafuego | ezra: cool, easy then. |
| 01:13.30 | Erpo | zinx: I thought that when I did an 'apt-get -t testing install tetex' it would install everything from testing that tetex needed. Not true? |
| 01:13.35 | ezra | cyrus works |
| 01:13.42 | ezra | what's the difference? |
| 01:13.46 | ezra | is there even one? |
| 01:13.53 | zinx | Erpo: it will, but some files and packages have been moved around/renamed/split |
| 01:13.54 | ezra | between cyrus and courrier |
| 01:14.01 | cafuego | ezra: preference; some people dislike the cyrus admin utils. |
| 01:14.08 | holycow | ezra, k. danke |
| 01:14.10 | ezra | oic |
| 01:14.14 | ezra | holycow: np |
| 01:14.15 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: tried hermes driver but it didnt detect the card |
| 01:14.23 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: hostap it is, then |
| 01:14.44 | ezra | cafuego: hook a brotha up with a cryus howto then, if it's really that bad i can always switch to courrier |
| 01:14.44 | zinx | Erpo: so you may end up with packages in stable that need packages that conflict with the packages needed by tetex |
| 01:14.52 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: but hostap is only for prism cards right? and ill be restricted to 802.11b whereas my card is 802.11g |
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| 01:14.59 | zinx | Erpo: that quickly becomes a mess :) |
| 01:15.08 | Moparpwr | .deb files are .. zipped? How do I install them? |
| 01:15.24 | elephantman | I am having some big package problems - aptitude is telling me that most of my kde packages have to be deleted due to dependencies problem |
| 01:15.27 | cafuego | ezra: See http://www.web-cyradm.org/ (web interface to let users manage their own mail domains) and http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html (how to set it up) |
| 01:15.28 | mwilson | Moparpwr: man dpkg |
| 01:15.42 | Moparpwr | Great thanks |
| 01:15.42 | elephantman | Do i have to do what apt tells me OR not ? |
| 01:15.45 | simonrvn | Moparpwr: no they're not zipped. they're tarred, gzipped and ared |
| 01:15.53 | cafuego | ezra: I run a modified version of web-cyradm |
| 01:15.59 | Erpo | zinx: Ok, it took me a minute to parse that but I think I understand now. So, does that mean it's safe to run testing on production machines? |
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| 01:16.16 | zinx | Erpo: depends on how production it is, and how often you update :) |
| 01:16.28 | zinx | Erpo: testing is basically unstable that has sat around for a week |
| 01:16.38 | zinx | Erpo: sometimes problems will happen, but it's not very often |
| 01:16.50 | zinx | Erpo: and you only have to worry when you update :) |
| 01:17.00 | jodathmorr | When I boot Debian the booting hangs when it tried to initilize my eth0 and when it tries to start the kernel logger. Why is this? |
| 01:17.02 | cafuego | ezra: And I run it with postfix-snap-tls/postfix-snap-mysql |
| 01:17.10 | ezra | hmm why snap? |
| 01:17.13 | ezra | why a snapshot |
| 01:17.15 | tempo | i am trying to install debian where the installation is a different partition. when i get to "install base system" it starts validating that all the pkgs are there (/dist/woody/main/binary-i386). i get the error msg "couldm |
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| 01:17.26 | ezra | some features there i should know about i mean? |
| 01:17.26 | tempo | couldn't download adduser" |
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| 01:17.39 | cafuego | ezra: newer, I don't think the non-snap has the same kind of header/content filtering support |
| 01:17.47 | ezra | oic |
| 01:18.09 | ezra | i do my spam filtering on the client side |
| 01:18.14 | ezra | so i don't think i need that |
| 01:18.24 | zinx | Erpo: and it's a lot safer to use testing for real, than to mix testing glibc with stable packages |
| 01:18.41 | ezra | omg don't mix them |
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| 01:18.44 | ezra | it's a huge headache |
| 01:18.49 | cafuego | ezra: I make postfix reject executable attachments and viagra mails; THEN I use spamd/spamc |
| 01:19.04 | ezra | hahaha nice cafuego |
| 01:19.19 | simonrvn | tempo: restart the installer (no, doesn't mean reinstall), as in, restart the machine and go into the installer again |
| 01:19.37 | ezra | i just run (ok ready to flame me?) SpamBully plugin for MS Outlook :P |
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| 01:19.46 | simonrvn | eew |
| 01:20.03 | ezra | hahahaha i knew you guys'd love that one :) |
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| 01:20.12 | keith | right if i have two linux boxes on my routers dmz, how can i connect to each one? |
| 01:20.23 | keith | via the net |
| 01:20.28 | simonrvn | routing, man, routing |
| 01:20.30 | zinx | two? |
| 01:20.32 | cafuego | ezra: Once you have cyrus running, you can do backend filtering on the server, so you don't even bother downloading and then filtering on the client. |
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| 01:21.21 | keith | k |
| 01:21.24 | Erpo | zinx: We'll use testing then, if all of the executables are going to use the glibc that tetex brought over no matter what. Is there a way to have a completely testing system, but also have a copy stable's glibc installed just for one program? I mean, could I install the older (compatible) glibc into the program's directory somewhere and do some wizardy with environment varies to force the program to use that instead of the system's glibc? |
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| 01:21.38 | keith | can i set it up so it routes to diff boxes tho? |
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| 01:21.47 | zinx | Erpo: yes, but it's tricky |
| 01:21.48 | keith | for the same port? |
| 01:21.49 | tempo | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 01:21.52 | EmleyMoor | keith: Yes. Port forwarding is your friend |
| 01:21.58 | keith | no |
| 01:22.00 | zinx | Erpo: you have to use ld-linux.so.2 directly i believe |
| 01:22.00 | EmleyMoor | Most routers allow you to shift ports |
| 01:22.01 | keith | i can do that |
| 01:22.13 | zinx | Erpo: that is, you have to use stable's ld-linux.so.2 |
| 01:22.13 | ezra | cafuego: so the packages i need are: postfix-snap-tls, cyrus, sasl, and sasl2 ? |
| 01:22.18 | keith | but if i have two boxs on my lan |
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| 01:22.29 | EmleyMoor | I have a friend whose router is set up to forward 5900-5915 to 5900 on 16 different machines |
| 01:22.30 | keith | and i want to connect to them both at dif times |
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| 01:22.38 | keith | oh |
| 01:22.38 | cafuego | ezra: You on stable or testing? |
| 01:22.47 | ezra | cafuego: unstable :P |
| 01:22.47 | EmleyMoor | keith: Your router may allow similar |
| 01:22.47 | jodathmorr | what is the command to bring up my network (eth0)? |
| 01:22.48 | zinx | Erpo: something like ./ld-linux.so.2 --libary-path=`pwd` ./executable |
| 01:23.01 | zinx | Erpo: it'll be very tricky ;) |
| 01:23.06 | keith | how would you define each machine from external location |
| 01:23.09 | keith | its a linksys |
| 01:23.10 | simonrvn | jodathmorr: /etc/init.d/networking start. |
| 01:23.22 | EmleyMoor | Romeo Tango Foxtrot Mike |
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| 01:23.55 | cafuego | ezra: postfix-snap-tls/postfix-snap-mysql/libsasl2/libsasl2-modules/cyrus21-common/cyrus21-imapd/cyrus21-pop3d/cyrus21-admin |
| 01:24.13 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 01:24.20 | tempo | simonrvn, in a sense it is like reinstalling. once i reboot the machine i will have to readd all the modules again. |
| 01:24.37 | ezra | cafuego: thank you very much |
| 01:24.44 | Erpo | zinx: Well, I'm willing to give it a shot, but I don't know where to begin gaining the necessary understanding to do it. Is there some documentation I should read? |
| 01:24.44 | simonrvn | tempo: no it isn't. that will take 10 minutes tops.. |
| 01:24.56 | sussudio | EmleyMoor: Kilo Utrecht Tango |
| 01:25.07 | keith | night all |
| 01:25.12 | cafuego | sussudio: waar? |
| 01:25.13 | zinx | Erpo: i don't know of any |
| 01:25.15 | keith | ... |
| 01:25.17 | sussudio | cafuego: bij de peren |
| 01:25.22 | Erpo | night keith |
| 01:25.25 | ezra | cafuego: "Package postfix-snap-tls has no available version, but exists in the database." |
| 01:25.27 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: hostap is only for prism cards right? and ill be restricted to 802.11b whereas my card is 802.11g |
| 01:25.29 | EmleyMoor | sussudio: Utrecht? We tend to use Uniform over here |
| 01:25.38 | ezra | should i just use postfix-tls |
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| 01:25.50 | sussudio | ezra: run dselect update to un-cruft your database |
| 01:26.01 | tempo | simonrvn, ok. i'll reboot |
| 01:26.01 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Yeah, I think so. |
| 01:26.09 | cafuego | ezra: Yeah |
| 01:26.11 | ezra | sussudio: thanks |
| 01:26.22 | ezra | sussudio: same error |
| 01:26.27 | ezra | cafuego: will do, thanks |
| 01:26.56 | ezra | if i use postfix-tls should i also use postfix-mysql instead of postfix-snap-mysql? |
| 01:27.12 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: damn... :( ok then ill try another approach. i have bridged eth1 and ath0 to form br0. but on my wireless link ath0, i only want to permit certain MAC addresses to connect. can i use iptables to do this somehow? |
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| 01:27.29 | simonrvn | Unfrgiven: yes |
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| 01:27.34 | ezra | br0 haha... looks like "bro" in l33t speak :) |
| 01:27.43 | logik | hrm |
| 01:27.46 | simonrvn | eth bridge |
| 01:27.55 | Unfrgiven | simonrvn: how? can i have an example? im unable to find an example on google. could you please help me with this? |
| 01:28.10 | simonrvn | Unfrgiven: man iptables, search for MAC |
| 01:28.11 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Yes, but only on br0 and not on eth0 |
| 01:28.17 | cafuego | s/eth0/ath0/ |
| 01:28.31 | cafuego | ezra: yes |
| 01:28.41 | ezra | cafuego: danke shire |
| 01:28.51 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: see thats my problem. i only want to do it on ath0 not br0 |
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| 01:30.34 | hackeron | what is xfree's license? apparently not gpl? |
| 01:30.50 | simonrvn | mit |
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| 01:31.02 | keex | hello |
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| 01:31.22 | keex | is there a imapd package for debian available? |
| 01:31.27 | EmleyMoor | As long as it meets the DSC requirements for a free license, I don't mind |
| 01:31.32 | simonrvn | keex: several |
| 01:31.43 | EmleyMoor | (having said that, I will use non-free stuff if TINA) |
| 01:31.44 | keex | err... cyrus-imapd |
| 01:31.55 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 01:32.22 | hackeron | simonrvn: what is the differences between mit and gpl ?? |
| 01:32.23 | keex | umm... for woody, too? (I'm new to debian) |
| 01:32.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:32.35 | keex | gow do I retrieve it? |
| 01:32.41 | simonrvn | hackeron: ask debian-legal |
| 01:32.58 | simonrvn | or read them yourself |
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| 01:33.13 | mwilson | Nah, he wouldn't want to do that. |
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| 01:33.25 | LandStile | if I make a user's primary group root.. why can the user still not access some directories? |
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| 01:33.52 | hackeron | simonrvn: where is debian-legal? |
| 01:34.05 | mwilson | LandStile: Why would that do anything useful? |
| 01:34.08 | ezra | hackeron: #debian-legal |
| 01:34.14 | EmleyMoor | LandStile: Are the directories accessible to the group "root"? |
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| 01:34.18 | mark | hi |
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| 01:34.44 | Chuck_H | I am building a router box with 2 interfaces, one public, one private, when it boots it has 2 default routes, one on the external interface and one on the internal interface, this causes things to not work until I remove the default route for the internal interface. Can someone tell me where these default routes are set? |
| 01:34.45 | ezra | x_0 |
| 01:34.56 | hackeron | ezra: it's empty |
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| 01:35.26 | sussudio | hackeron: google is never empty. |
| 01:36.01 | Gathond | anybody knows of a file shredder for ext3 filesystems ? |
| 01:36.12 | zinx | Gathond: dd |
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| 01:36.22 | zinx | Gathond: wipe, maybe |
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| 01:36.29 | sussudio | !wipe zinx |
| 01:36.29 | EmleyMoor | Gathond: I think any for ext2 will be equally effective on ext3 |
| 01:36.29 | dpkg | # dd if=/dev/zero of=zinx |
| 01:36.51 | bucky | Chuck_H, /etc/network/options ip_forward=yes and some iptable rules from netfilter.org |
| 01:37.00 | Gathond | zinx: yes, but i would prefer not having to overwrite the entire disk (mostly time saving since its of for repear anyway |
| 01:37.06 | zinx | Gathond: uh |
| 01:37.19 | Gathond | but not with my gpg private key on it |
| 01:37.26 | zinx | Gathond: i'm not trying to help you anymore :x |
| 01:37.40 | keex | simonrvn; how do I install the imapd package? |
| 01:37.45 | Gathond | but ill look into wipe |
| 01:38.36 | LandStile | emley: yeah your right they arnt.. doh! |
| 01:38.42 | pme | What's the name of that kernel patch that attempts to detect crappy memory on the fly and not use it? The only search terms I can think of get me boatlods of hits with apt-cache-searching. |
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| 01:39.08 | Gathond | hmmm wipe warns that journaled filesystems is a no-go |
| 01:39.11 | ezra | how should i answer this question: "Hesiod looks up keys using the standard Domain Name System. Enter the right-hand side of the domain name to do searches in. This name should begin with a ".". | Hesiod domain for searches: .athena.mit.edu" |
| 01:39.12 | simonrvn | keex: like any other package in debian |
| 01:39.14 | zinx | Gathond: :< |
| 01:39.31 | Gathond | well dd it is then |
| 01:39.34 | zinx | Gathond: does it mention data journalling vs. metadata journalling? |
| 01:39.41 | LandStile | apache doesn't seem to be setup well under debian for a secondary admin user group. |
| 01:39.52 | zinx | Gathond: ext3 defaults to only journalling metadata |
| 01:39.58 | Gathond | zinx: it mentions reiserfs etc ... and reiserfs is only metadata right ? |
| 01:40.06 | LandStile | only root has write access to /var/www |
| 01:40.07 | mwilson | LandStile: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 01:40.07 | zinx | Gathond: it used to be, anyway |
| 01:40.09 | offby1 | I am being bit by http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144 (on testing, with 2.4.23-1). Newer versions of the xerver-xfree86 package are no better, and my home-built XFree86-4.3.99.902 gets a SEGV in xf86pciprobe. Suggestions? |
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| 01:40.27 | mwilson | LandStile: So CHANGE it. Quite a concept, huh? |
| 01:40.48 | EmleyMoor | You are free as in beer to change it |
| 01:40.48 | Gathond | ext3 should be able to mount as ext2 right ... that would bypass the journal |
| 01:41.00 | EmleyMoor | ext3 *will* mount as ext2. |
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| 01:41.33 | LandStile | mwilson: no i'm not having a peeve at debian, just making a statement. |
| 01:41.43 | fx-br | dowes anyone know here can I found the hal's unofficial debian packages? |
| 01:41.59 | EmleyMoor | fx-br: I would hope they are listed on apt-get.org |
| 01:42.03 | LandStile | i'm only now just getting used to configuring a secure linux box. |
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| 01:42.21 | fx-br | EmleyMoor: no, they arent |
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| 01:43.03 | fx-br | EmleyMoor: and gnome-volume-manager isnt there too |
| 01:43.46 | cafuego | !find dict_rbl.so testing |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dict_rbl.so' returned no results. |
| 01:44.01 | cafuego | great! |
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| 01:44.32 | offby1 | !i810 |
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| 01:45.39 | cappicard | good evening all. Has anyone received a kernel oops when 2.6.1 tries to detect the WP bit on the processor? In my case, it's a Celeron (Mendocino) |
| 01:46.24 | cappicard | it's before the vga mode routines during boot |
| 01:46.58 | tempo | simonrvn. same stuff:) |
| 01:47.16 | petemc | offby1: i have a laptop with the 855 chipset, i have to use a small hack to steal 32meg of system ram for the graphics card |
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| 01:47.52 | fx-br | petemc: what kind of hack? in the kernel? |
| 01:48.32 | petemc | fx-br: google for 855patch, its as simple as running make then putting a few lines in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 01:48.51 | fx-br | petemc: ah, ok. :) |
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| 01:50.16 | offby1 | petemc: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 01:50.35 | petemc | offby1: im also using x from experimental |
| 01:50.58 | petemc | offby1: and i think you need dri compiled in your kernel |
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| 01:51.23 | petemc | offby1: but other than that it works great :) |
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| 01:51.34 | offby1 | petemc: hmph. I don't really know what dri is. And the 855 web site says it's only relevant for the 855GM chipset, which doesn't sound familiar. |
| 01:51.46 | petemc | offby1: thats what i have |
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| 01:51.56 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | hello |
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| 01:52.35 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | where can i get the latest drivers for nvidia geforce? |
| 01:52.55 | mwilson | Gee, you think they might have them on nVidia's web site? |
| 01:53.05 | mwilson | Quite a problem, huh? |
| 01:53.48 | gravity | Geez... I'd almost forgotten what it's like to have to go to a manufacturer's website for shit. |
| 01:53.48 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | well, they actually have linux drivers |
| 01:54.20 | ezra | yes they have linux drivers to my knowledge |
| 01:54.22 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | do they work on debian? |
| 01:54.27 | petemc | yes |
| 01:54.32 | ezra | PaPai_TuKaNNo: have you tried? |
| 01:54.38 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | nope.. |
| 01:54.44 | ezra | then how will you ever know? :) |
| 01:54.47 | offby1 | boy, this channel is ever so much more pleasant now that I've `/ignore'd mwilson ... |
| 01:54.47 | bucky | the version in the apt repository is 1.0.4496-2.1 |
| 01:54.48 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm asking first |
| 01:54.53 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :D |
| 01:55.03 | cafuego | If finding drivers is such a hassle, why did you buy an nvidia gfx card? |
| 01:55.08 | ezra | guess you'll never really know then :) |
| 01:55.17 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | why would i screw up if someone has already done? |
| 01:55.17 | mwilson | offby1: And yes, you knew I'd said anything because...? |
| 01:55.18 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :P |
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| 01:55.57 | ezra | haha yea you kinda gave yourself away there offby1 |
| 01:56.00 | EmleyMoor | I have long been a fan of Matrox gfx cards... am I still choosing well? |
| 01:56.08 | cafuego | EmleyMoor: yes, you are. |
| 01:56.20 | ezra | perhaps offby1 really meant /mentalignore |
| 01:56.22 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | EmleyMoor sure :D |
| 01:56.22 | petemc | the matrox g400 is your best bet for tv out |
| 01:56.23 | gravity | Matrox cards are great. |
| 01:56.35 | gravity | 2d is top notch. I'm really jealous of their 2d |
| 01:56.50 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | best for me |
| 01:57.05 | Scognito | i had no fortune to get the tvout working with g400dh |
| 01:57.09 | EmleyMoor | I have some kind of Matrox, without TV Out, and have specified Matrox in friends' machines when they have needed a card... |
| 01:57.19 | Scognito | i mean frambebuffer(fb1) on the tv |
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| 01:57.26 | EmleyMoor | My Windows box also has a Matrox of some kind... |
| 01:57.46 | EmleyMoor | My Windows box, though, may not be a Windows box much longer |
| 01:57.52 | petemc | what's higging? |
| 01:58.02 | bucky | petemc, my gainward Ti 200 does 1024x768 on TV out |
| 01:58.07 | Scognito | does someone get fb1 get working on the second head? |
| 01:58.11 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | should i pick linux IA32 drivers? i have a AMD XP 2000 |
| 01:58.17 | sussudio | petemc: something from de achterhoek, i think |
| 01:58.17 | EmleyMoor | petemc: You often get higged on IRC |
| 01:58.28 | offby1 | petemc: from the Intel web site, it looks like the 855G is not the same as the 845G (which is what I have). But thanks for answering. |
| 01:58.51 | gravity | !hig |
| 01:58.51 | poimen | hey all |
| 01:58.55 | ezra | so much live in hire tinight |
| 01:59.03 | poimen | someone here knows how a 56k user can get Debian Unstable? |
| 01:59.09 | gravity | dpkg: hig is Human Interface Guidelines |
| 01:59.09 | dpkg | gravity: okay |
| 01:59.20 | EmleyMoor | We're having a higfest |
| 01:59.20 | ezra | poimen: order a cd? ask a friend with some bandwidth? |
| 01:59.29 | ezra | HigFest '04 |
| 01:59.29 | offby1 | poimen: be really patient? |
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| 01:59.34 | ezra | lmao offby1 |
| 01:59.34 | Erik2_ | Question: new compile kernel 2.4.24. Video SIS650 Asus laptop. When I boot, when the penguin arrive in the corner, text is noisy and penguin too... like an image in 24bits color display on a video with 4 bits color... How to have correct resolution/color ? Also...If I boot with knoppix CD, all is correct. Maybe helpful if somebody can tell me how to know what to compare in config? |
| 01:59.37 | bucky | poimen, i did it, took about a week |
| 01:59.42 | poimen | ezra : eny store selling debian unstable? |
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| 01:59.47 | poimen | I have a winmodem |
| 01:59.49 | poimen | :( |
| 01:59.57 | ezra | poimen: i could be wrong but i think on debian's site you can order them |
| 02:00.02 | ezra | anyone else know? |
| 02:00.27 | EmleyMoor | poimen: Poor you - all is not lost, necessarily... just maybe... |
| 02:00.32 | angler_ | I get an error about glib-config not being found when running configure for this app |
| 02:00.37 | poimen | lol |
| 02:01.21 | bucky | Erik2_, does your penguin jump up and down ? |
| 02:01.32 | Erik2_ | bucky: no. ;p |
| 02:01.33 | sussudio | !hig ezra |
| 02:02.03 | EmleyMoor | !hig sussudio |
| 02:02.11 | cafuego | !hig EmleyMoor |
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| 02:02.24 | EmleyMoor | !hig cafuego |
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| 02:03.21 | cafuego | !mock EmleyMoor |
| 02:03.38 | EmleyMoor | !mock turtle |
| 02:03.59 | bucky | !dunk linus |
| 02:04.15 | sussudio | !hig bucky |
| 02:04.17 | EmleyMoor | !snort Bill Gates |
| 02:04.23 | bucky | ahhhh |
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| 02:04.36 | bucky | lol |
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| 02:05.40 | Erik2_ | Question: new compile kernel 2.4.24. Video SIS650 Asus laptop. When I boot, when the penguin arrive in the corner, text is noisy and penguin too... like an image in 24bits color display on a video with 4 bits color... How to have correct resolution/color ? Also...If I boot with knoppix CD, all is correct. Maybe helpful if somebody can tell me how to know what to compare in config? |
| 02:06.23 | EmleyMoor | Erik2_: That sounds like a framebuffer settings problem - I pass on framebuffers |
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| 02:06.53 | Pezz453 | possible to create more than 1 linux ext3 partition on my hd? |
| 02:07.13 | EmleyMoor | Pezz453: Yes! |
| 02:07.17 | bucky | Erik2_, http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6117&highlight= |
| 02:07.30 | Erik2_ | EmleyMoor: I think so. But... where! :) |
| 02:07.42 | EmleyMoor | It is as easy as 3.142 (3dp) |
| 02:08.28 | bucky | Erik2_ Use vga=normal in the lilo.conf preamble instead of the default vga=791 |
| 02:08.39 | EmleyMoor | I have 7 ext3 partitions on my hd |
| 02:08.50 | Erik2_ | Another question... about sound. I compiled alsa, so... in lsmod, I should see modules like snd, i810_audio, ac97_codec ? |
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| 02:09.20 | Pezz453 | so I take that as a yes its possible ;] |
| 02:09.20 | Pezz453 | thx |
| 02:09.30 | Erik2_ | bucky: ok but... that won't fix the framebuffer... I would prefer fixing framebuffer... It's work in knoppix!! why not in debian! |
| 02:09.47 | gravity | Erik2_: Knoppix isn't debian |
| 02:09.47 | bucky | Erik2_, is this a knoppix install ? |
| 02:10.21 | bucky | Erik2_, http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6117&highlight= |
| 02:10.45 | Erik2_ | bucky, gravity, I talk about compare... knoppix CD and Debian on my hard disk. |
| 02:10.53 | Erik2_ | yes... I read now the url. |
| 02:13.01 | angler_ | why do I not have "glib-config" ? |
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| 02:14.47 | atzanteol | I've recently aquired an old BeBox (603/66). Anybody know if Debian will install to it? |
| 02:14.48 | sussudio | ~tell PaPai_TuKaNNo about away |
| 02:14.50 | sussudio | !hig PaPai_TuKaNNo |
| 02:15.03 | pme | Whoa. |
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| 02:15.06 | sussudio | atzanteol: ppc? |
| 02:15.11 | atzanteol | sussudio: Yah. |
| 02:15.19 | pme | Higging with strawberry jam might actually be illegal where I come from. |
| 02:15.20 | atzanteol | sussudio: It's not a 'mac' though... |
| 02:15.22 | sussudio | atzanteol: #debian-ppc |
| 02:15.37 | atzanteol | sussudio: Oh, okay. I'll try there. |
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| 02:16.47 | Erik2_ | bucky, gravity: If I disable framebuffer with vga=normal, ok but... I would like to have the screen in graph mode for booting... My question was, if the Knoppix CD can do it... why my debian (hard disk) don't want to do it correctly? |
| 02:16.49 | gravity | It should install on BeBox. I've heard of successful installs. |
| 02:17.26 | gravity | Erik2_: Perhaps your kernel is too old? I don't know much about that. Why do you want the framebuffer anyhow? |
| 02:17.50 | gravity | Erik2_: It strikes me as a waste of time for people who don't need it. |
| 02:17.52 | Erik2_ | gravity: my kernel is 2.4.24 compile few hours ago. |
| 02:18.16 | gravity | Erik2_: Ok. I'm not sure as to the problem. But still, why do you really want the framebuffer? |
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| 02:19.24 | Erik2_ | gravity: It's cool, higher definition at boot... and I want to be sure all work in my laptop. |
| 02:19.45 | gravity | Erik2_: Well that's your call. I'd rather just have things work |
| 02:20.04 | gravity | Maybe I'm just an old fogey who doesn't care how high res his console is :-) |
| 02:20.09 | Stuart | what laptop ? |
| 02:20.19 | Erik2_ | Asus D1 |
| 02:20.35 | Erik2_ | Sutart: video sis-M650 |
| 02:20.48 | gravity | Especially if you're using X anyhow, you never see the console really |
| 02:20.49 | Stuart | ahhh. I'm on a Toshiba 1130 right now |
| 02:21.04 | kyll | what ftp deamon is good when i want each user to have a dir in their home (/home/user/ftp-dir)? i would like tls support too |
| 02:21.09 | nania | On the topic of the ever growing "Woody": Has anyone noticed how the resource requirements for Debian woody are getting out of hand? Gravity: Does this mean that all 486 boxes are due fro the scrap heap? |
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| 02:21.30 | Stuart | running Mepis, gave up on getting Debian configured for the xserver |
| 02:21.32 | gravity | nania: You're asking me? Sure. |
| 02:21.36 | gravity | nania: In terms of Debian at least |
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| 02:21.45 | gravity | nania: There's tons of distros out there for lower hardware requirements boxes |
| 02:21.50 | Erik2_ | gravity: hum... ok. It's frustrating anyway... I see it working on a boot Cd... why not in my install... grrr.. |
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| 02:22.05 | nania | I figured this would be up your alley, gravity since you probably do everything in textmode :) |
| 02:22.20 | Infohawk | Is there a kernel patch from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1? I can't find in on kernel.org |
| 02:22.23 | gravity | nania: On the other hand, people are still supporting m68k, so I doubt 486's will really die any time soon. Plus we're still compiling for the 386 target, and that doesn't look to change soon |
| 02:22.24 | Erik2_ | gravity: other question so... about alsa... alsa need some modules in lsmod? |
| 02:22.27 | gravity | nania: Not really :-) |
| 02:22.44 | gravity | Erik2_: I have no idea. I've never had any luck with alsa unfortunately, but then I haven't tried it in a while |
| 02:22.46 | Erik2_ | gravity: I have some mix of oss and alsa :( I want only alsa. |
| 02:22.57 | Erik2_ | oh. |
| 02:22.57 | Stuart | Erik2_, you would saved yourself a lot of trouble by just installing Knoppix or Mepis on your laptop |
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| 02:23.09 | nania | gravity: Well there are stoics and cynics and all those in between :) |
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| 02:23.15 | gravity | nania: Right :-) |
| 02:23.28 | Erik2_ | Stuart: I installed knoppix some months ago... but migrate to debian sid. |
| 02:23.30 | gravity | nania: I'm console-versed, but I'm trying to move away from it back to my Mac roots |
| 02:23.53 | gravity | nania: There's some best-of-breed apps that are console only (mutt and irssi) but I'm trying to use things like nautilus now more an dmore |
| 02:23.58 | Darkman | anyone has an idea why i don't get a broadcast message when i type shutdown -r now? |
| 02:24.00 | Erik2_ | Stuart: knoppix install a lot of things!!! So long to boot :( I am working to remove all non-necessary things. |
| 02:24.02 | sussudio | !macsmite gravity |
| 02:24.12 | bucky | Erik2_, http://www.sonic.net/~rknop/linux/debian_alsa.html |
| 02:24.20 | gravity | NOOOOOOOOO! Not my floppy! |
| 02:24.37 | sussudio | !hig gravity |
| 02:25.53 | nania | gravity: I have an original MacIIx with a toby card that I wanted to put a 4 network router on but I'm deathly afraid of the nubus ethercard support. How problematic would an install be on this box and how would you do it? |
| 02:26.15 | gravity | nania: I'd give it up. I don't think that you could get it working with Linux. |
| 02:26.18 | Stuart | if you want to really spead things up, change from kde to one of the lightweight window managers |
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| 02:26.27 | gravity | nania: Not without serious in depth knowledge. The IIx is ancient. |
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| 02:27.22 | bucky | Erik2_, either that or apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-alsa or a alsa-modules deb |
| 02:27.26 | nania | gravity: Yes it is but with space for four LAN cards it would make a really cute WAN router. |
| 02:27.31 | bucky | apt-cache search alsa |
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| 02:27.59 | gravity | nania: Good point. Well, you can try. I've not looked at the m68k stuff in a loooong time, so I'm not the person to ask about that. |
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| 02:28.39 | Stuart | does your sound work with knoppix, Erik2_ ? |
| 02:28.42 | jodathmorr | yay. my first kernel panic |
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| 02:28.58 | Erik2_ | Stuart: yes. |
| 02:28.59 | mish | I have a lot of files webcam.jpg.1-webcam.jpg.342 I want to add the file extension .jpg to the end of the filename, can anyone think of an easy way to do that? |
| 02:29.08 | agney | how can I create the null device ? MAKEDEV does't work |
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| 02:29.24 | jodathmorr | I'm getting a Kernel Panic after recompiling to 2.6.1. The message is: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!. What should i do? |
| 02:29.29 | ljlane | mish, man rename |
| 02:29.49 | nania | gravity:I have a silly Mac question: If you're booting from a Macintosh partition, do you need QUIK? |
| 02:29.52 | ljlane | mish, rename -v 's/$/.jpg/' * |
| 02:30.02 | Erik2_ | Stuart: in fact, in debian... I am in KDE. Gaim give me sounds... but when I go to sound configuration in kde, and set to ALSA, I don't hear the sound in test sound. If I try alsamixer, I have an error message... |
| 02:30.23 | Stuart | wierd |
| 02:30.24 | gravity | nania: I don't know. I'm not sure that QUIK supports oldworld. I just used bootx back in the day. |
| 02:30.27 | mish | ljlane: Thanks :) |
| 02:30.32 | gravity | nania: And I really don't know if quik supports m68k |
| 02:31.20 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | is there any flash player for konkeror? |
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| 02:31.25 | nania | gravity:QUIK is ppc only but I wanted to know if it's functional on a nubus ppc. |
| 02:32.15 | gravity | nania: Ah. I think it is, iirc |
| 02:32.15 | Erik2_ | Stuart: I have a problem I think because OSS and ALSA was both installed... now, I deactivate OSS in kernel config. But Maybe I load modules I don't have too.. |
| 02:32.23 | gravity | nania: Er... actually, I take that back. |
| 02:32.26 | gravity | nania: I'm not sure at all. |
| 02:32.29 | toasty | Erik2_: possible because kde use art and gnome use esound, just thinking... |
| 02:32.29 | gravity | Sorry :-( |
| 02:32.38 | Erik2_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:32.54 | Erik2_ | toasty: so... ? What to do? |
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| 02:33.01 | toasty | Erik2_: no idea |
| 02:33.18 | Erik2_ | toasty: how to remove esound? |
| 02:33.36 | nania | gravity: Well, it's a small matter to dselect QUIK it post install. |
| 02:33.55 | gravity | nania: I'm sure you can google it, or read the docs after install |
| 02:33.56 | Erik2_ | I will be able to use sound in kde AND with gnome app (running in kde) ? |
| 02:34.02 | csmall | on the debian installer daily snapshots or possibly the beta2 iso's what is the flag to use the 2.6 kernel, I noticed it created a /lib/modules/2.6 dir but I can't get the cd to install with 2.6, what is the flag? |
| 02:34.14 | nania | gravity: on that note, have you tried the "orphan" tools yet? |
| 02:34.17 | gravity | csmall: 2.6 isn't supported in d-i yet |
| 02:34.17 | csmall | I tried bf2.6 |
| 02:34.22 | gravity | nania: The orphan tools? |
| 02:34.22 | mwilson | csmall: There is one? |
| 02:34.28 | toasty | Erik2_: not sure, have not tried too hard at that setup |
| 02:34.30 | csmall | gravity why did it create the modules dir |
| 02:34.41 | csmall | mwilson I am assuming there is because it created the modules dir |
| 02:34.49 | gravity | csmall: I'm not sure. I do know that discover doesn't support 2.6 in any current images of d-i though |
| 02:34.56 | csmall | ok |
| 02:35.15 | mwilson | Seems like it'd be far easier to just LOOK, but hey, whatever floats your boat. |
| 02:35.36 | nania | gravity: I noticed it in woody. It supposedly finds libs that don't belong to anything and puts them in a list for you. |
| 02:35.57 | gravity | nania: Ah, deborphan |
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| 02:36.15 | gravity | nania: Yes, I use deborphan every couple of months. It's a great program. |
| 02:36.26 | gravity | nania: There's also debfoster, which a lot of people use, but I personally don't |
| 02:36.47 | mish | When a file is saved by wget and that filename already existed, it attached .1 or .2, etc to the end of the filename, is there any way to tell it to attach that to the start of the filename instead of the end? |
| 02:36.55 | sussudio | !defy gravity |
| 02:37.09 | nania | gravity: Excellent! I glad to get a review on it. |
| 02:37.13 | gravity | sussudio: You can't defy me! Muahahaha! |
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| 02:37.40 | mwilson | damn, I only have 137gb free on filehost. |
| 02:37.44 | mwilson | Need more space. |
| 02:37.57 | sussudio | mwilson: store your GAMP elsewhere? |
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| 02:38.00 | gravity | Hehehe |
| 02:38.09 | mwilson | Nah, that's on the local machine. |
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| 02:39.53 | sussudio | either that, or it just doesn't have a storyline to begin with |
| 02:40.20 | gravity | sussudio: Which version? The original or the SF Channel one? |
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| 02:40.56 | sussudio | gravity: hell if i know. it's 2 hours and 20 minutes. i was kinda waiting for Paul to say "that's a damn good cup of coffee" |
| 02:41.03 | nania | gravity: If you had a 7100/80 40MB/IGB box with a 2MB HPV what would you put on it? |
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| 02:41.11 | gravity | sussudio: Does it have cheesy computer graphics or no? |
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| 02:41.25 | sussudio | gravity: well, just the shield things |
| 02:41.30 | jodathmorr | how can i get Knoppix to write a file on my hard drive? I'm trying to correct a config |
| 02:41.31 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | is there any flash player for konkeror? |
| 02:41.31 | gravity | nania: MacOS Classic and I'd play Marathon and EV on it :-) |
| 02:41.38 | Fyre610 | sussudio: is Sting in it? |
| 02:41.42 | gravity | sussudio: Ah, so it's the original David Lynch one |
| 02:41.43 | sussudio | Fyre610: yes |
| 02:41.50 | gravity | sussudio: Yeah, that one's... damaged... |
| 02:41.53 | sussudio | it's Dune, not Children of Dune |
| 02:42.06 | nania | gravity: so you wouldn't even look at a linux install? |
| 02:42.10 | Fyre610 | sussudio: that one was raped in the editing room |
| 02:42.18 | sussudio | Fyre610: with a lead pipe? |
| 02:42.26 | gravity | nania: I don't know. If you want, but I figure Marathon and EV are too good to pass up :-) |
| 02:42.31 | gravity | But that's just me |
| 02:42.56 | Fyre610 | sussudio: wrong room for this, but yeah, it's pretty butchered |
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| 02:43.16 | pOliO | hello room |
| 02:43.18 | sussudio | Fyre610: i can't believe someone OK'ed this version for release |
| 02:43.21 | mwilson | sussudio: The David Lynch, or the SciFi thing? |
| 02:43.22 | gravity | The sad thing is that Frank Herbert actually collaborated on that version. |
| 02:43.27 | sussudio | mwilson: david lynch |
| 02:43.28 | pOliO | anyone mind telling me how to change display resolution in KDE? |
| 02:43.32 | gravity | It looks great, but it just doesn't work |
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| 02:43.44 | frevidar | I've got a bit of an unusual problem. I can ping sites on the internet, but not connect to them, such as ftp or http. I'm using an debian gateway to the internet, and I cleared its firewall rules with /etc/init.d/iptables clear. The same problem happens regardless of the computer using the gateway. I've cleared hosts.allow and hosts.deny on the gateway. What could be the problem? |
| 02:43.47 | gravity | Mainly due to all the interior whispering monologues |
| 02:43.52 | ljlane | jodathmorr, mount the partition read/write. |
| 02:44.06 | sussudio | Dude, where's my continuity! |
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| 02:44.08 | nania | gravity:Let's say I wanted to do a few of these, does the tasksel do an adequate job of configuring a GUI? I don't want much out of it, just mozilla and open office. |
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| 02:44.17 | gravity | sussudio: :-) |
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| 02:44.44 | jodathmorr | ljlane: how? |
| 02:44.48 | ljlane | dpkg tell frevidar about ecn |
| 02:44.50 | Stuart | pOliO, you could try ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 02:44.59 | gravity | nania: I don't know if it can run OO.org very well, but it's worth a try. And OO isn't in woody, so you'll have to get a backport (outside of tasksel) or move to sarge/sid |
| 02:45.02 | Bangz | anyone know how to use grub on a cdrom? I want to put a whole bunch of floppy disk images onto a cdrom which has grub, then have a bootmenu for them |
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| 02:45.07 | pOliO | stuart:yeah, just remembered it |
| 02:45.24 | pOliO | stuart:that cycles through all the setup video modes, correct? |
| 02:45.26 | gravity | nania: With a machine that old, you'll have to do some custom work to make it decent. No Gnome and KDE for example. |
| 02:45.28 | mwilson | sussudio: Hm. Remember that there are two versions of the film... which have you seen and which is this? |
| 02:45.34 | Bangz | I'm thinking I create a grub floppy, then use nero to create a boot cd AND emulate Floppy, then put my image files on it |
| 02:45.38 | Stuart | pOliO, that |
| 02:45.38 | Bangz | just wondering if it would work? |
| 02:45.39 | Erik2_ | Alsa work!! I remove all about sound in /etc/modules... and alsaconf, and restart X... that's it. |
| 02:45.49 | Stuart | pOliO, that's how I recall it working |
| 02:45.53 | ljlane | jodathmorr, depends if you're in the GUI or what. #knoppix would know for sure. |
| 02:45.57 | nania | gravity: This would require some handholding for me and I wouldn't put it on you without your permission :) |
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| 02:46.03 | jp- | Bangz, no, that's not gonna work |
| 02:46.06 | jodathmorr | ljlane: im in the gui |
| 02:46.17 | gravity | nania: Well, to be honest, I'm not sure what tasksel would do. |
| 02:46.24 | jp- | Bangz, search google for a tool called 'smartboot', it allows you to boot a cdrom using a floppy disk |
| 02:46.26 | mwilson | sussudio: Or are you just commenting on the film in general? |
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| 02:46.31 | sussudio | mwilson: the shorter version, probably the theatrical release |
| 02:46.35 | pOliO | stuart:i just forgot to set it up for 1280x1024.. having a blonde moment, sorry.. => |
| 02:46.42 | nania | gravity: Waht is 00.org? |
| 02:46.42 | pixelmonkey | anyone know why gdesklets isn't working for me? I double-click .display files, and nothing happens. |
| 02:46.44 | frevidar | ljlane: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn is 0 |
| 02:46.46 | gravity | nania: If I were you, I'd install wdm and use its menu to try out different windowmanagers when you log in |
| 02:46.47 | pixelmonkey | Running sid btw |
| 02:46.51 | ljlane | jodathmorr,I don't know the gui. You can go to the menus and find a root shell under KNOPPIX. |
| 02:46.53 | mwilson | I have that DVD somewhere. |
| 02:46.58 | gravity | nania: OO.org is Open Office (OpenOffice.org is its real name) |
| 02:47.00 | ljlane | frevidar, must be something else then |
| 02:47.18 | gravity | nania: I would try out windowmaker and icewm to start with. |
| 02:47.38 | gravity | nania: If you need other recommendations, I can give them to you, as can the rest of the chan, but both of those are good lightweight newbie wm's |
| 02:47.49 | Erik2_ | In gaim, I can configure it to use arts... |
| 02:47.55 | gravity | nania: Once you do that, you can worry about getting OO.org |
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| 02:48.34 | mwilson | Huh... or I thought I did. |
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| 02:48.47 | gravity | mwilson: The David Lynch Dune? |
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| 02:48.50 | pixelmonkey | Hmm, I just figured it out |
| 02:48.52 | mwilson | Yeah. |
| 02:49.04 | pixelmonkey | anyone know how to clear out all the saved settings for gdesklets quickly? |
| 02:49.16 | synic|home | which packages provides the man pages for C functions like strcpy ? |
| 02:49.17 | gravity | mwilson: How's the DVD? I saw it on the big screen when they released the DVD, which was cool. It actually made the movie enjoyable. |
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| 02:51.37 | ale_ | hola a todos....... |
| 02:51.40 | mwilson | Well, listening to sussudio, I'd say it's not very good. :) |
| 02:51.44 | gravity | Hehe |
| 02:51.48 | mwilson | I didn't think it was bad. |
| 02:51.57 | nania | gravity: icewm and wdm are depedent on X. Does tasksel give you everything you need when you select "X-Window System"? |
| 02:51.57 | gravity | I thought it was mediocre. |
| 02:52.04 | gravity | nania: I'm not sure. |
| 02:52.13 | gravity | nania: If you need more, you can always install it later |
| 02:52.25 | Fyre610 | gravity: compared to newer dvd's there little to no "extra" content |
| 02:52.29 | mwilson | Making a film out of Dune is like making LotR. |
| 02:52.45 | synic|home | which packages provides the man pages for C functions like strcpy ? |
| 02:52.48 | gravity | Fyre610: That's sort of a shame, but not really a surprise |
| 02:52.56 | gravity | synic|home: Use dpkg -S to find out |
| 02:53.00 | sussudio | how about Blade Runner Director's Cut with all the voiceovers removed? |
| 02:53.08 | mwilson | I thought that sucked. |
| 02:53.08 | gravity | mwilson: Very very true, which is why I can't fault Lynch in the end |
| 02:53.12 | mwilson | I *bought* that one. |
| 02:53.20 | gravity | I loved the Blade Runner Director's cut |
| 02:53.21 | sussudio | it's really really boring that way |
| 02:53.25 | Stuart | nania, tasksel should give you everything you need, I don't recall which window-managers it gives you |
| 02:53.27 | synic|home | gravity, it's not installed, which is why I'm trying to find it |
| 02:53.40 | nania | gravity: I noticed that some CD-ROM drives are problematic with Debian. I had a bitch of time with a scsi Yamaha 8824. I was getting rock-ridge errors. |
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| 02:53.51 | Erik2_ | Question... To use ide-scsi, I do: insmod ide-scsi, in lilo I have append=hdc="ide-scsi" but I can't mount /cdrom... /dev/sr0 is not a valid block device... |
| 02:53.51 | netcat | synic|home: dpkg -S strcpy |
| 02:54.17 | mwilson | There's more than one director's cut disc of Blade Runner. |
| 02:54.20 | gravity | nania: Interesting. I don't know much about that, unfortunately |
| 02:54.22 | Erik2_ | append="hdc=ide-scsi" I mean. |
| 02:54.29 | gravity | synic|home: Try manpages-dev |
| 02:54.38 | mwilson | Like there's more than one of Army of Darkness. |
| 02:54.50 | sussudio | more than two? |
| 02:55.06 | ljlane | Erik2_, how about the other modules? |
| 02:55.13 | gravity | I need the good Army of Darkness one. |
| 02:55.34 | sussudio | the DVD has both endings |
| 02:55.38 | gravity | Cool :-) |
| 02:55.41 | mwilson | The director's cut of Blade Runner is supposedly the way Ridley Scott wanted it to be. |
| 02:55.42 | gravity | I've only seen the normal release |
| 02:55.53 | Erik2_ | ljlane: wich one? |
| 02:55.54 | asuffield | your average feature film loses about half of the stuff they actually taped on the cutting room floor |
| 02:56.00 | mwilson | I have the Army of Darkness dir cut that's in the brown paper wrapper. |
| 02:56.06 | asuffield | ie, you see about 50% of the content in the cinema release |
| 02:56.13 | ljlane | Erik2_, scsi genereic and the one for a scsi cd |
| 02:56.14 | asuffield | so there's massive scope for cutting them differently |
| 02:56.36 | gravity | Is there a way to find out about hotplug events besides dmesg? It's not working with 2.6 |
| 02:56.40 | Stuart | Erik2_, I seem to recall having to set up a symlink somewhere |
| 02:57.07 | sussudio | you're saying that "Troop Beverly Hills" is the best stuff they could edit together as an end result? |
| 02:57.09 | Erik2_ | ljlane: what?? I need scsi generic?? |
| 02:57.10 | Stuart | wish my workstation hadn |
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| 02:57.37 | ljlane | Erik2_, there are a billion howtos on the web covering the setup. Try google. |
| 02:57.38 | Erik2_ | ljlane: and for a scsi cd??? hum... my CDRW is atapi... using ide-scsi emulation. |
| 02:57.39 | Stuart | wish my workstation hadn'd killed it's motherboard the other day, or I might be able to help more on that one |
| 02:57.58 | duel | want to download debian via ftp, are all 6 images needed for install? |
| 02:58.02 | sussudio | Stuart: killed how? |
| 02:58.03 | pme | gravity: gotta warn you, the alternate (original) ending to Army of Darkness is depressing as hell. Cool, and apt for Ash's character, but depressing. |
| 02:58.08 | Fyre610 | sussudio: Army of Darkness Trilogy 1. Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, Army of Darkness |
| 02:58.21 | gravity | pme: Oh, I know what it is, I just haven't seen it :-) |
| 02:58.25 | gravity | pme: Thanks for the warning though |
| 02:58.29 | pme | ah okay |
| 02:58.43 | ljlane | duel, no. You can get by with the first. Check out the installation guide. |
| 02:59.00 | Stuart | not sure .... not 100% sure its the mb either, just a feeling. I fried some stuff on it about 2 years back, released the magic smoke and all that |
| 02:59.00 | duel | what are the other 5 for? |
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| 02:59.32 | shwag | how do I get my local cupsd to send print jobs to a cupsd running on another machine that has a printer connected to it ? |
| 02:59.57 | Stuart | sussudio, it won't even spin up the hd's anymore. it was doing spontaneous reboots for the last few weeks |
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| 03:01.36 | sussudio | Stuart: are the capacitors bulging or leaking? |
| 03:02.22 | sussudio | Stuart: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/board.jpg < looks something like this? |
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| 03:02.47 | Stuart | nope, but a few of the resistors are burnt off |
| 03:02.55 | sussudio | Stuart: wha? |
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| 03:03.55 | Stuart | it worked without the resistors for 2 years, I think they were related to one of the com ports which I never used |
| 03:04.07 | nania | stuart: Thanks. |
| 03:04.07 | gravity | ls |
| 03:04.09 | gravity | Shit |
| 03:04.12 | sussudio | Stuart; how old is this board? |
| 03:04.18 | lord_kelmain | Hi. I want to do a net install of debian via floppies. I looked around, but can't decide on what to download. Any suggestions? |
| 03:04.29 | gsp | Hey.... I just installed mozilla 1.6 and it ran after I installed it... but I don't know what the run command is!!! HELP!! |
| 03:04.43 | sussudio | !hig gsp |
| 03:04.47 | Stuart | it's a K7S5A from when they first came out. I plan to replace it with another of the same |
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| 03:05.15 | gravity | OMG! IT RAN! |
| 03:05.29 | sussudio | Stuart: i don't really see any resistors on the board i have here, just a bunch of capacitors, some diodes and clock crystals |
| 03:06.00 | Stuart | sussudio, on my board it may be diodes, they are too tiny to tell what the heck they are |
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| 03:06.38 | Stuart | the tiny things sitting right behind the com risers |
| 03:07.08 | sussudio | Stuart: those capacitors should regulate electricity and prevent that sort of thing happening... unless it came in from the other side, like lightning through an external modem |
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| 03:07.46 | Stuart | I plugged some stuff in wrong :) |
| 03:07.56 | sussudio | Stuart: on a comport? |
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| 03:08.17 | bitriot | Hi, how can I search for a particular package with apt-get? |
| 03:08.18 | nania | gsp: type "locate mozilla" and then type the directory to run mozilla |
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| 03:08.34 | sussudio | !tell bitriot about search |
| 03:08.38 | zeeble | bitriot apt-cache search packagename |
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| 03:08.53 | Stuart | sussudio, yup, as I recall, from a port on the back of my monitor to a com port .... made for a nice smoke and stink show |
| 03:08.53 | nania | bitriot: type "/" |
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| 03:09.06 | mickeylosthisear | hello room |
| 03:09.14 | mickeylosthisear | i need help with grub |
| 03:09.17 | sussudio | !room |
| 03:09.18 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:09.24 | mickeylosthisear | my GRUB doesnt display menu |
| 03:09.32 | netcat | lord_kelmain: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 03:09.47 | lord_kelmain | netcat: Thanks! |
| 03:10.17 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear, whee is your menu? |
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| 03:10.46 | mickeylosthisear | i can boot by cmd line |
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| 03:10.50 | bitriot | cool, thanks |
| 03:10.54 | mickeylosthisear | but i am tired of typing it everytime |
| 03:10.59 | tarzeau | it's ten minutes past four am in switzerland |
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| 03:11.04 | bitriot | I can't seem to find a package for firebird though |
| 03:11.18 | sussudio | tarzeau: you're the automated time signal now? |
| 03:11.23 | pme | bitriot: Are you using unstable? |
| 03:11.31 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear, hello? where is your menu? |
| 03:11.32 | bitriot | I'm using woody |
| 03:11.38 | tarzeau | sussudio: no i'm the sleepless turkish guy living in switzerland who can't sleep now |
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| 03:11.50 | sussudio | tarzeau: no sheep to count? |
| 03:11.54 | tarzeau | sussudio: do you know something to sleep? |
| 03:12.03 | netcat | bitriot: Have you checked out www.apt-get.org yet? |
| 03:12.04 | tarzeau | sussudio: there's no sheep here, can you draw me some with GIMP? |
| 03:12.05 | mickeylosthisear | ljlane i dunno |
| 03:12.06 | GhostDawg | hi everybody |
| 03:12.14 | bitriot | netcat: can I read it with lynx? |
| 03:12.16 | zeeble | tarzeau calmpose. half a tablet with a cup of warm milk |
| 03:12.29 | mickeylosthisear | it has been only 7 days since i converted to Linux.. |
| 03:12.35 | gravity | tarzeau: Camomile tea |
| 03:12.35 | pme | bitriot: I think woody predates firebird. You'll need to either install everything yourself, or backport the source, or maybe someone out there has already backported a package (try apt-get.org). |
| 03:12.45 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear, that would be the problem. You need to make one. |
| 03:12.45 | tarzeau | zeeble: calmpose ? can't find that in dict |
| 03:12.47 | mickeylosthisear | and it has been almost hell partitioning here and there |
| 03:12.48 | netcat | bitriot: I have not tried it with lynx but I thinkk it should. |
| 03:12.52 | bitriot | ok, I'll try and figure it out |
| 03:12.53 | gravity | woody definitely predates firebird :-) |
| 03:12.56 | zeeble | tarzeau its a medicine/drug |
| 03:13.13 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear, /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst .. yours needs to be in /boot/grub/ |
| 03:13.28 | mickeylosthisear | ljlane i have grub.conf. i had the menu working before this. but now i have transferred GRUB to my primary partition |
| 03:13.48 | mickeylosthisear | menu.lst is just a link isnt it? |
| 03:14.05 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear: grub.conf is your menu then. This conversation is painful. |
| 03:14.11 | Stuart | mickeylosthisear, put it back where it was and see if it works ?? |
| 03:14.19 | bishopdon | Does anyone have a moment to answer a security/kernel upgrade question? |
| 03:14.48 | mickeylosthisear | i transferred grub from a partition called /dev/hda5 labelled /boot to /dev/hda1 |
| 03:14.55 | GhostDawg | Sid Vicious |
| 03:15.10 | ljlane | bishopdon, just ask the channel |
| 03:15.12 | mickeylosthisear | i have transferred the grub.conf. it is there all along with the other grub files |
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| 03:15.45 | mickeylosthisear | ljlane would you like tosee a portion of my grub.conf and fdisk -l output? |
| 03:15.56 | ljlane | mickeylosthisear, no |
| 03:16.08 | mickeylosthisear | hmm... |
| 03:16.33 | zeeble | ljlane Stuart what irc client are you 2 using? |
| 03:16.35 | bishopdon | ok, thanks. I have security.debian.org listed in my sources.list (brand new 3.0r2 install), but when i do an 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' then 'apt-get upgrade' I still have the same old kernel when all is done. I'm certian I've read of kernel exploits since 3.0r2 was released... so am I missing something? |
| 03:16.38 | slinky_ | does anyone know of debian package to perform basic hit counting on my crappy website? |
| 03:16.39 | mickeylosthisear | Stuart help me :)) |
| 03:16.45 | Stuart | x-chat here |
| 03:16.48 | ljlane | zeeble, irssi-text |
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| 03:17.08 | ljlane | zeeble, I guess you like our commas. :) |
| 03:17.12 | zeeble | ljlane Stuart thanks. just wondering which clients do a , after a nick complete :) |
| 03:17.29 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:17.33 | Stuart | mickeylosthisear, I use lilo ... no experience with grub at all |
| 03:17.38 | ljlane | zeeble, optional for irssi-text, not a default |
| 03:17.54 | zeeble | ljlane yeah, am using irssi myself |
| 03:18.06 | mickeylosthisear | * waaaa!!!! |
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| 03:18.29 | Bangz | is it possible, when inside grub's CLI, to install grub onto a floppy? |
| 03:18.35 | mickeylosthisear | anybody familiar with GRUB? |
| 03:18.43 | Bangz | I dont have a unix box handy, but i need to make a grub floppy disk |
| 03:18.44 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | is there any flash player for konkeror? |
| 03:18.46 | mickeylosthisear | yes Bangz, it is |
| 03:18.56 | Bangz | mickeylosthisear, how? |
| 03:18.58 | Stuart | I weaned myself from win32 to linux .... and xchat is available in win32 .... |
| 03:19.04 | zeeble | PaPai_TuKaNNo yeah, konq uses the same one as mozilla/netscape |
| 03:19.13 | mickeylosthisear | copy the stage files into your disk |
| 03:19.17 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | thank's |
| 03:19.21 | mickeylosthisear | oops.. sorry |
| 03:19.25 | mickeylosthisear | setup (fd0) |
| 03:19.30 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | is konkeror the best choice? |
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| 03:19.47 | zeeble | PaPai_TuKaNNo upto you to find out. there are lots of them, you choose your own |
| 03:19.55 | mickeylosthisear | GRUB help needed... |
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| 03:20.06 | gravity | PaPai_TuKaNNo: If it works for you, then yes |
| 03:20.12 | Stuart | people still have floppy disks ? I haven't used one in about 3 or 4 years |
| 03:20.18 | Bangz | mickeylosthisear, I dont have access to a unix box to even compile grub.... |
| 03:20.33 | mickeylosthisear | you said from a GRUB CLI? |
| 03:20.42 | Xenguy | Stuart: "I'm not dead yet!" |
| 03:20.46 | zeeble | Bangz you have a windows machine, right? |
| 03:20.54 | mickeylosthisear | lol@stuart they get mould so easily |
| 03:21.07 | Stuart | hehehehe |
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| 03:22.06 | mickeylosthisear | Bangz you said from a GRUB CLI? |
| 03:22.12 | Stuart | they gave me a usb/external floppy with this laptop ... it's still in the anti-stat bag |
| 03:22.30 | Bangz | zeeble, yes. |
| 03:22.42 | Bangz | mickeylosthisear, yes. pxegrub is the only access i got. |
| 03:22.54 | mickeylosthisear | Bangz can you start grub? |
| 03:23.14 | etox | they took my voice away in mandrake for advertising debian. they should all me chmodded to 666 |
| 03:23.14 | mickeylosthisear | Stuart i 'washed' my USB last two days |
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| 03:23.32 | mickeylosthisear | had forgotten to get it out from d pocket :) |
| 03:23.43 | Stuart | hehehehehe |
| 03:23.53 | Xenguy | etox: omg that's insane |
| 03:23.54 | mickeylosthisear | still working tho |
| 03:24.05 | mickeylosthisear | my precious |
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| 03:24.30 | mickeylosthisear | oh i need help with GRUB!! |
| 03:24.44 | zeeble | Bangz make a boot floppy on your windows box |
| 03:24.59 | Shockdial | So, what files does kdm/xdm looks into to start a kde session ? |
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| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:06pm» (N)(etox): mandrake? |
| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:09pm» (N)(etox): who uses mandrake? |
| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:12pm» (N)(etox): debian rocks |
| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:17pm» (N)(KeaponLaffin): O_O |
| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:21pm» (@)(moonie): !q etox |
| 03:25.12 | etox | «10:19:21pm» (MODE)(CookieII): +q etox!*@* |
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| 03:25.18 | etox | muahahaha |
| 03:25.21 | etox | I demand food |
| 03:25.31 | zinx | .. |
| 03:25.33 | zinx | troll :/ |
| 03:25.35 | ljlane | etox, go away |
| 03:25.38 | zeeble | mickeylosthisear dont shout here. you could prolly have got better clues on google. |
| 03:25.42 | etox | I can't |
| 03:25.43 | Stuart | mickeylosthisear, maybe try re-installing it ? or have you already ? |
| 03:25.47 | gravity | You should |
| 03:25.49 | Shockdial | anyone ? |
| 03:25.51 | etox | I haven't recompiled my kernel yet |
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| 03:26.02 | sussudio | tarzeau: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/baah.png |
| 03:26.04 | mickeylosthisear | Stuart i have |
| 03:26.05 | Bangz | zeeble, yep, then? |
| 03:26.15 | mickeylosthisear | i tried grub-install (hd0) |
| 03:26.20 | zeeble | Bangz you want to create a boot floppy, iright? |
| 03:26.26 | mickeylosthisear | only booted to the cmd line |
| 03:26.32 | Bangz | zeeble, I want to create a grub boot floppy. |
| 03:26.40 | Bangz | so when I boot of that floppy, I get a grub menu |
| 03:26.41 | zeeble | Bangz hmm, ok |
| 03:26.58 | Bangz | bvut I dont have access to any unix boxes, only windows and pxegrub cli |
| 03:26.59 | mickeylosthisear | tried grub-install (hd0,1) |
| 03:27.05 | zeeble | sussudio you really want to get tarzeau to sleep, eh? |
| 03:27.05 | mickeylosthisear | still didnt work.. |
| 03:27.06 | gravity | Hmm... losetup gives me an ioctl error. Oops. |
| 03:27.07 | zeeble | heh |
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| 03:27.37 | sussudio | zeeble: i'm probably going to use this as a basis for Penix: The Movie, Part 1: past girlfriends |
| 03:27.52 | zeeble | sussudio what?!! |
| 03:28.20 | sussudio | zeeble: Penix is a sheepshagger when he's not busy with midgets |
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| 03:28.37 | zeeble | ughh |
| 03:29.08 | wethion_ | Good evening all. I've got my DSL connection functioning using rp-pppoe, but I'm still uncomfortable using non-debian software. Has anyone had success setting up a pppoe DSL connection using debian's pppoe package? |
| 03:29.10 | Shockdial | What files does kdm looks when i init a kde session ? |
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| 03:29.15 | zeeble | sussudio http://sussudio.wasarrested.com/sheep |
| 03:29.19 | gravity | wethion_: Yes |
| 03:29.20 | Shockdial | im shure that it isnt .xinitrc |
| 03:29.25 | LoRez | wethion_: rp-pppoe is the source package for debian's pppoe |
| 03:29.37 | bettlebrox | wethion_: pppoeconfig works fine for me |
| 03:30.07 | sussudio | zeeblebrox: yawn |
| 03:30.14 | pme | Shockdial: kdm looks in .xsession if it exists, and in /etc/X11/Xsession, and other places, read the docs |
| 03:30.46 | Shockdial | pme, i just need it the file, thanks you :) |
| 03:30.56 | wethion_ | Lets narrow the field a bit then. I have verizon and a modem rather than a router. |
| 03:31.13 | wethion_ | verizon is the isp... |
| 03:31.16 | bettlebrox | wethion_: I have verizon as well |
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| 03:31.44 | bettlebrox | wethion_: used to use pppoe to establish the connection, now use a netgear wifi router |
| 03:31.53 | Jacobo221 | when I have mplayer playing a video and I change the workspace, the last video frame stucks in my screen as a photograph. What can I do to avoid this? |
| 03:32.04 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: and you had a straightforward config? |
| 03:32.13 | cafuego | wethion_: wtf did you not just use the packaged debian pppoe, which *IS* rp-pppoe then? |
| 03:32.25 | bettlebrox | wethion_: yes, been about 6 months since I use pppoe |
| 03:32.42 | bettlebrox | wethion_: have U tried pppoeconf? |
| 03:32.46 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: verizon server kept refusing my login using debian's pppoe client (cafuego). |
| 03:32.55 | cafuego | wethion_: apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf; pppoeconf; pon my_provider |
| 03:32.55 | Bangz | how can I get into grub> when It's loaded a menu.lst file ? |
| 03:33.06 | asuffield | learn to read |
| 03:33.10 | cafuego | wethion_: They are the same software, dude |
| 03:33.17 | bettlebrox | wethion_: did you run pppoeconf? |
| 03:33.38 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: Yes, several times. |
| 03:33.59 | bettlebrox | wethion_: and what did happened/ |
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| 03:34.19 | bettlebrox | wethion_: duh, can't type tonight, what happened? |
| 03:34.21 | wethion_ | I had ethereal sniffing packets to try and determine the falldown. the login server continually refused the userid and password. |
| 03:35.07 | sandman | How to dhclient eth0 @ boot? |
| 03:35.16 | cafuego | sandman: man interfaces |
| 03:35.37 | bettlebrox | wethion_: did pppoeconf find the dsl connection on the nic? |
| 03:35.44 | wethion_ | as soon as I setup rp-pppoe, everything worked flawlessly. |
| 03:35.52 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: Yes. |
| 03:36.09 | bettlebrox | wethion_: then stick with rp-pppoe! |
| 03:36.12 | Jacobo221 | any guess about the mplayer issue? I thnk it must be as simple as changing the -vo parameter... |
| 03:36.16 | cafuego | wethion_: did pppoeconf set up PAP where verizon uses CHAP maybe? |
| 03:37.05 | wethion_ | cafuego: nope. verizon != CHAP |
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| 03:37.41 | GhostDawg | jacobo221: yes I have issues with mplayer playing videos and it freeze for awhile once video is done playing |
| 03:38.01 | GhostDawg | the plugin with mozilla is my problem |
| 03:38.08 | wethion_ | however, if rp-pppoe is the source base for debian, then I no longer have a problem with it. moot point. THanks all. |
| 03:38.26 | wethion_ | debian's pppoe package that is... |
| 03:38.46 | wethion_ | ;) |
| 03:38.47 | Jacobo221 | GhostDawg: nope, I dodn't mean that. My problem is that whan I change the workspace, mplayer's image gets stucked in me screen |
| 03:39.01 | bettlebrox | wethion_: i presume you ran pppoeconf as root? (excuse the stupid question) |
| 03:39.10 | GhostDawg | ok, ic |
| 03:39.16 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: Yes, |
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| 03:39.41 | wethion_ | bettlebrox: it is exceedingly frustrating, more so now that I have the new information. |
| 03:39.42 | GhostDawg | well I haven't tried playing a normal video yet |
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| 03:39.48 | GhostDawg | I just done a fresh install |
| 03:39.49 | DMJC | anyone know howto put a movie on your desktop background? |
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| 03:40.25 | wethion_ | DMJC: with transparent eterms.. nifty. |
| 03:40.36 | wethion_ | OH, wait that wouldn't work. |
| 03:40.49 | DMJC | you can do animated backgrounds... |
| 03:41.02 | DMJC | i've seen it done in linux, not osx with xscreensaver |
| 03:41.13 | DMJC | I'm sure there'd be some way to do it with a movie player |
| 03:41.22 | sandman | cafuego: This manpage seems overly complicated, but.. I read on.. |
| 03:41.36 | wethion_ | DMJC: the Eterm afaik doesn't do motion through . well, lemme try it and see. |
| 03:41.45 | sandman | cafuego: All this to make dhclient run @ boot? Sheesh.. is there a script that's parsed @ boot? |
| 03:42.09 | bettlebrox | DMJC: what desktop environment are U using? |
| 03:42.11 | zeeble | DMJC how are you so sure that it can be done? |
| 03:42.15 | DMJC | gnome |
| 03:42.16 | pme | there is, but it's probably too much difficulty for someone who replaces "at" with "@". :-) |
| 03:42.24 | DMJC | because i did it with xscreensaver a few months ago |
| 03:42.27 | DMJC | on my home box |
| 03:42.47 | zeeble | DMJC fine. go ahead and do it with your movie player |
| 03:42.58 | bettlebrox | DMJC: I know kde let's you run programmes as the wallpaper |
| 03:43.09 | DMJC | there was some sort of command that let you pipe it to the desktop |
| 03:43.20 | bettlebrox | DMJC: xsetroot? |
| 03:43.26 | DMJC | possibly |
| 03:43.30 | trans_err | hrm my performa 6360 can't see my 40gb samsung, any thoughts? possibly not supported? |
| 03:43.30 | Stuart | pme, something to do with rcX.d ?? |
| 03:43.47 | sandman | trans_err: IDE iface? |
| 03:44.01 | trans_err | sandman: yup |
| 03:44.03 | bettlebrox | DMJC: looking at man page now, don't think that's it |
| 03:44.11 | sandman | trans_err: chipset? |
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| 03:44.21 | trans_err | the ide chip set? |
| 03:44.47 | sandman | y |
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| 03:45.00 | sussudio | !macsmite trans_err |
| 03:45.16 | trans_err | sandman: i have no idea- it's an old mac |
| 03:45.21 | sandman | An old mac.. |
| 03:45.35 | sandman | trans_err: I see. Well, you may want to find out, and make sure it's in the kernel. |
| 03:45.38 | DMJC | heh we found a way to make x do transparency the other day |
| 03:45.45 | trans_err | sandman: yes as in apple performa 6360- |
| 03:45.56 | sandman | trans_err: You know what to do, now. Get to work =) |
| 03:46.03 | DMJC | a mate of mine found a way to do it using color settings on his video card |
| 03:46.12 | DMJC | it replaced black with transparency |
| 03:46.13 | trans_err | sandman: i know the IDE works (as my 1.2gb IDE works) |
| 03:46.24 | DMJC | worked on movies too.. |
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| 03:46.38 | gravity | Awww... how cute, an Apple Performa :-) |
| 03:46.45 | DMJC | keith packard's way is a ton better tho |
| 03:47.07 | trans_err | gravity: it's just a motherboard, power supply and a IDE drive now :D |
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| 03:47.19 | gravity | trans_err: Errr... not so cute then :-) |
| 03:47.32 | trans_err | gravity: hadn't booted it in 4 years- has linux/ppc 2000 on it :D |
| 03:47.40 | gravity | trans_err: Nice :-) |
| 03:47.44 | sandman | What's Debian's rc.local equivelant? |
| 03:47.45 | gravity | trans_err: That was my first distro |
| 03:47.55 | trans_err | gravity: good days |
| 03:48.00 | gravity | sandman: No such thing |
| 03:48.03 | gravity | trans_err: Indeed. |
| 03:48.16 | gravity | trans_err: Actually, I think I had R9, right before they went to 2000 |
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| 03:48.27 | trans_err | gravity: any idea why a 40gb wouldnt work in the damn thing? |
| 03:48.30 | sandman | gravity: How to make one? |
| 03:48.35 | gravity | trans_err: Got me |
| 03:48.49 | sandman | I'm looking@ update-rc.d, is this the right place? |
| 03:48.55 | gravity | sandman: Yep |
| 03:49.03 | trans_err | hrm im trying to make it into a car mp3 player |
| 03:49.05 | gravity | sandman: Just use the normal runlevels. That's what they're there for |
| 03:49.09 | sandman | I'm looking all over tons of files in my google search.. this is strangely difficult |
| 03:49.14 | sandman | gravity: k |
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| 03:49.41 | gravity | sandman: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debian-rclocal.htm also is an option |
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| 03:51.03 | bettlebrox | sandmanL i think you can add script to /etc/rc.boot |
| 03:51.20 | lothsahn | Are there any text editors under linux that write msdos text files? (the crummy carriage returns, etc, like notepad.exe)? |
| 03:51.38 | bettlebrox | lothsahn: wine notepad.exe :) |
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| 03:52.04 | lothsahn | bettlebrox: lol. :P I meant native, but I suppose that might work :) |
| 03:52.07 | FreshUsr | guys i can't get my PPPoE to work still, i figure i'm gonna download the latest kernel? |
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| 03:52.13 | FreshUsr | 2.4.24 |
| 03:52.17 | Stuart | lothsahn, mc's built in editor ? |
| 03:52.22 | FreshUsr | and then try installing it |
| 03:52.26 | FreshUsr | but i need your help |
| 03:52.31 | sandman | gravity: Fascinating. Now I have a sligt knowledge of how rcdirs work. |
| 03:52.38 | FreshUsr | dunno what are the files i need to install it |
| 03:52.39 | sussudio | didn't someone +q FreshUsr earlier? |
| 03:52.40 | pOliO | what option do i need to specify in fstab, so that a mounted ntfs partition is accessible by all the users on a machine? |
| 03:52.42 | gravity | sandman: They're worth learning. It's a useful system. |
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| 03:52.55 | bettlebrox | lothsahn: i remember having a dos2unix w/ debain 2.1. maybe there is a unix2dos script somewhere? |
| 03:52.58 | gravity | pOliO: Set the umask properly |
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| 03:53.11 | Toothpick | Is there an easy way to take an installed system...and remove everything but that which is installed during a debootstrap? |
| 03:53.20 | pOliO | gravity:i don't follow |
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| 03:53.44 | Toothpick | My laptop is at 91% capacity...and I'd like to remove everthing that isn't needed...and apt-get install again as I want. |
| 03:53.58 | gravity | pOliO: umask is the option you want. Read about it and it'll make sense. |
| 03:54.24 | sussudio | Toothpick: that's stupid. use deborphan/debfoster. |
| 03:54.26 | Stuart | Toothpick, sounds a bit brutal :) |
| 03:54.28 | pOliO | gravity:ok, what man page? |
| 03:54.39 | gravity | pOliO: fstab |
| 03:54.49 | Toothpick | susudio..ok writing those commands now. |
| 03:55.14 | bettlebrox | lothsahn: install sysutils, contains dos2unix & unix2dos |
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| 03:55.16 | Toothpick | I wish there was a dUNselect |
| 03:55.20 | lothsahn | bettlebrox: okies ;) |
| 03:55.34 | pOliO | gravity:Thanks for the info |
| 03:55.39 | bettlebrox | lothsahn: unix2dos: Converts text files between DOS and Unix formats. |
| 03:56.13 | lothsahn | bettlebrox: thanks :) Notepad was flaky under wine... well, actually, it's just flaky... wine doesn't help :P |
| 03:56.17 | gravity | pOliO: No problem |
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| 03:56.42 | mickeylosthisear | wine is wine... you know... dont take it too much.. |
| 03:57.04 | Stuart | true, but notepad may be the best windows html editor available in win32 :) |
| 03:57.20 | Misirlou | lothsahn: You could just write the documents normally with your text editor of choice and then use unix2dos from sysutils (I think!) |
| 03:57.27 | mickeylosthisear | i prefer PSPad |
| 03:57.36 | sussudio | !start an editor war |
| 03:57.36 | dpkg | ae bites |
| 03:57.42 | bettlebrox | time to walk the dogs ... |
| 03:57.55 | sussudio | copy con: 0wn5 y00 |
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| 03:58.00 | lothsahn | Misirlou: I hope that works. Bettlebrox suggested that. I'm trying it now. :) We'll see when I put it on a windoze box. |
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| 03:58.21 | exobyte | I'm using ddclient to update stuff for a dynamic dns thing. It's kinda working, but it's behind a router and update with it's local ip |
| 03:58.24 | mickeylosthisear | just a suggestion :) i find PSPad a good app, and light too.. |
| 03:58.48 | pOliO | gravity:problem solved. thanks again for the pointer |
| 03:59.01 | Vladkao | come on, we are not here to talk about windows ... |
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| 03:59.27 | pOliO | anyone have any suggestions on a good program to use to edit user account settings? |
| 03:59.48 | gravity | pOliO: Good to hear |
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| 04:00.03 | mwilson | "user account settings"? |
| 04:00.05 | Jacobo221 | pOliO: vi :-P |
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| 04:01.01 | vibey | anyone have info on real time clock driver hangs? |
| 04:01.02 | pOliO | jacobo221: heh, any others? => |
| 04:01.14 | GhostDawg | nano/pico |
| 04:01.36 | bob2 | pOliO: chfn and chsh |
| 04:01.53 | ongeboren | hi, how can I reinstall the gnome desktop ? I did dist-upgrade and I have a lot of unmet dependencies.. something went wrong.. |
| 04:02.11 | mickeylosthisear | does anyone use a script or sumthing to autmount usb thumbdrives when they are plugged in? |
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| 04:02.31 | RichiH | mickeylosthisear: i do it manually |
| 04:02.36 | pOliO | bob2: chfn is what i was looking for, thanks |
| 04:02.40 | mwilson | Why? Just mount it when you want it, and unmount it when you don't. |
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| 04:03.03 | Stuart | hmmmm |
| 04:03.05 | mickeylosthisear | well, you know.. just to make things easier.. |
| 04:03.16 | mickeylosthisear | some might prefer to mount it manually, i dont |
| 04:03.37 | mickeylosthisear | :still got the hang of Win OSes :) |
| 04:03.43 | somiaj | mickeylosthisear: isn't writing the script and such harder than just mounting it, at least that is what I would think. |
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| 04:04.10 | mickeylosthisear | it is not hard to write a script.. na a a.. i dun think so |
| 04:04.15 | gsp | anyone know of a working Yahoo! chat client? |
| 04:04.27 | Toothpick | deborphan and debfoster aren't on my machine =( |
| 04:04.32 | somiaj | mickeylosthisear: well then go write one, if that is what ya want. |
| 04:04.36 | mickeylosthisear | even if it's hard, it is a one time effort figuring out here and there |
| 04:04.37 | Toothpick | I'll have to apt get when the laptop is on the net |
| 04:04.45 | ongeboren | gsp gaim should be working |
| 04:04.45 | somiaj | gsp: there are a few, I use gaim. |
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| 04:05.03 | bob2 | ongeboren: which version of Debian? |
| 04:05.12 | gsp | GAIM doesn't connect to chat rooms for me |
| 04:05.20 | mickeylosthisear | hey somiaj, cool a lil.. |
| 04:05.23 | gsp | It works as a messenger client |
| 04:05.26 | gsp | but not as chat |
| 04:05.49 | sussudio | !qotd2 |
| 04:05.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd2 is <Sultrix> sussudio, I dont need to be qualified you fool. Sid makes a good desktop. |
| 04:05.53 | mickeylosthisear | anyway how do you monitor a USB port by using linux? |
| 04:06.08 | sussudio | bob2: snort. |
| 04:06.38 | ongeboren | bob2: hybrid between stable and unstable. i even have some problems with libc6, but that's another story |
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| 04:07.04 | somiaj | ongeboren: that just doesn't sound good. |
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| 04:07.24 | mickeylosthisear | i know cat /proc/scsi/scsi but that has to be typed.. |
| 04:07.52 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:07.56 | ongeboren | somiaj: it's the debian policy.. stable kde is 2.2.2, people have to make mixes and screw up things |
| 04:08.49 | somiaj | ongeboren: I would think most people who wanted to run most stable would get backports as opposed to mixing versions and pulling in the dependencies. |
| 04:09.01 | gravity | Yep |
| 04:09.22 | mickeylosthisear | ohh: http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/12/05/2214256.shtml?tid=79&tid=82 |
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| 04:09.45 | TMM | hi all! |
| 04:09.47 | Toothpick | doing apt-get remove x* |
| 04:09.53 | ongeboren | somiaj: define backport, pls |
| 04:10.00 | Toothpick | will that make me type YES for the things that aren't supposed to be removed? |
| 04:10.07 | Toothpick | nevermind see it does |
| 04:10.09 | somiaj | !backport |
| 04:10.09 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 04:10.13 | lothsahn | Misirlou,bettlebrox: unix2dos worked beautifully! :) Thank you! |
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| 04:10.15 | Toothpick | I want it to remov everything that is saaafe. |
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| 04:10.40 | ongeboren | now the problem is that when doing apt-get remove, it complains that some packages are not to be installed :) |
| 04:10.40 | TMM | I wondered if someone could help point me to the right docs to set up some sort of dynamic dns thingy from my DHCP server? |
| 04:10.40 | cafuego | yay, mga_vid worketh |
| 04:10.43 | Misirlou | lothsahn: You're welcome. :) |
| 04:10.49 | somiaj | ongeboren: usually sid packages compiled against the stable libaries so you can run newer versions of kde/gnome and such if that is what ya want. |
| 04:11.01 | TMM | Toothpick, what are you trying to achieve other than wrecking your system? :) |
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| 04:11.28 | somiaj | ongeboren: once you start mixing things really the only fix is to upgrade all the way, its hard to downgrade a debian box..(upgrade is a oneway street) |
| 04:11.35 | bob2 | Toothpick: why? |
| 04:11.35 | Toothpick | TMM...I want to get rid of most things and then use SVGA libraries and have links2 for web browsing... |
| 04:11.39 | kawfee | bob2: hi |
| 04:11.42 | Toothpick | I am running out of space on this thing |
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| 04:11.50 | sussudio | kawfee: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/baah.png |
| 04:12.00 | TMM | Toothpick, just apt-get remove xlibs and EVERYTHING related X will be gone *poof* |
| 04:12.00 | ongeboren | somiaj: kde is working, gnome isn't and I need some applications that are not kde-gnome compatible.. i need gnome libraries |
| 04:12.06 | bob2 | kawfee: go to sleep |
| 04:12.38 | Toothpick | thanks TMM |
| 04:12.45 | TMM | Toothpick, then you might have to clean up stuff like glib and atk |
| 04:13.03 | TMM | Toothpick, but there's no way around that afaik |
| 04:13.15 | Toothpick | Yes, that is going to get 139megs available |
| 04:13.17 | Toothpick | doing that now |
| 04:13.17 | brat2 | hey everyone. is anyone an expert at PECL on debian? i'm trying to do "pear install zip" but it fails in autoconf. really annoying. claims there are no source files and gives an error about not being able to find php-config. |
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| 04:13.56 | Toothpick | how do I cleanup...the glib and atk? |
| 04:13.58 | somiaj | ongeboren: what is wrong with gnome? what kind of errors and such are you getting. One suggestion may be to dist-upgrade your box to sarge (since it will stablize sometime) and not be (as) mixed, usually mixing debian versions can cause problems. |
| 04:14.06 | Toothpick | with that deborphan and debfoster thing? |
| 04:14.13 | ongeboren | somiaj: so.. it means this gnome (which i never used) isn't possible to be deinstalled ? |
| 04:15.44 | somiaj | ongeboren: dpkg -l | grep gnome, and install the gnome packages with apt-get remove, you can uninstall it, also note --purge will take out the config files. |
| 04:15.44 | TMM | Toothpick, no they don't depend on Xlibs in any way, deborphan *might* help, but don't hold your breath ;) |
| 04:15.44 | somiaj | ongeboren: s/install/remove/ |
| 04:15.44 | sporkboy | okay, gnome/x was being slow, wound up having to ctrl+alt+backspace, now startx goes to the X screen (with the x cursor), but no gnome, and the term says "Not loading .note.GNU-stack" repeatedly... any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 04:15.44 | TMM | ongeboren, moest jij niet eens naar bed??? het is half 6 man ;) (sorry for the dutch, just a little joke) |
| 04:16.32 | zeeble | half and man dont sound dutch |
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| 04:17.21 | ongeboren | somiaj: i did dist-upgrade, and it decided to remove gnome by itself, then, when removing gnome-session it started to fill in a lot ot text.. lots of options, it's not part of apt-get itself |
| 04:18.24 | somiaj | ongeboren: hmm, sounds odd, though I've never seen that happen before, what does the text say, anything useful? |
| 04:18.26 | TMM | zeeble, "half" means half in english and "man" means man in english :) |
| 04:18.30 | sussudio | d'r uit kreng! |
| 04:18.36 | TMM | lol |
| 04:18.39 | zeeble | TMM heh |
| 04:18.41 | TMM | more dutch insomniacs |
| 04:18.45 | TMM | ;) |
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| 04:19.01 | zeeble | TMM where from in .nl? |
| 04:19.06 | TMM | zeeble, they ARE dutch words though |
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| 04:19.15 | ongeboren | somiaj: I should paste it.. it's nonsense for me to make a resumee |
| 04:19.15 | kingsley | I'd like to know which packages may be under-rated. My votes may be for bash, konqueror and sed. What do you think? |
| 04:19.22 | TMM | zeeble, somewhere in the northern regions :) |
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| 04:19.28 | TMM | well north-west actually |
| 04:19.55 | brat2 | ok i guess not |
| 04:20.03 | zeeble | TMM been there only once. i remember rotterdam and hilversum. i liked hilversum a lot |
| 04:20.03 | Stuart | under-rated ? in what way ? |
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| 04:20.36 | patfm | greetings earthlings |
| 04:20.45 | gravity | I think bash is overrated, but that's just me |
| 04:20.52 | ongeboren | Removing sawfish-gnome ... |
| 04:20.53 | zeeble | patfm same, space traveller |
| 04:20.56 | ongeboren | update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install |
| 04:20.57 | somiaj | ongeboren: i'm on my way out, so I don't want to look at it, (:, I was mainly mentioning that mixing debian versions is usually a bad move, and in the future look into backports if you want to run newer stuff like kde on a stable box. |
| 04:21.07 | kingsley | Stuart: Packages that are little known but really useful, and which I might try and benefit from. |
| 04:21.13 | ongeboren | and then a lot of text with options |
| 04:21.49 | kingsley | gravity: Which shell do you use? |
| 04:21.55 | zeeble | kingsley there are tonnes of packages, however the ones you mentioned are not really "under rated", people use em, programmers use em. Its just that kde/gnome/ get more hype |
| 04:22.00 | Stuart | the only program that I absolutely cannot function without is mc .... probably because I have been using nc and it's clones since about '89 |
| 04:22.05 | maher | kingsley: how can bash be little known? its the default shell |
| 04:22.27 | somiaj | ongeboren: please don't paste here, paste in #flood, though i've seen that before, update-alternatives changed in a recent verions to not allow --slave with --remove, so the remove script will need to be modified (or that is how I fixed the problem), check the bts on sawfish-gnome and see if that is mentioned there. |
| 04:22.29 | gravity | kingsley: zsh |
| 04:22.31 | patfm | so i tried doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on my new linuxcertified laptop, and i managed to hang it in the middle. all attempts to use apt-get -f install, to isntall the individual dependencies, etc, have failed. so, can i change my sources list again, back to stable from unstable, and re-run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:22.31 | ongeboren | somiaj: thanks for the advise, I consider backing up everything and reinstalling from scratch |
| 04:22.35 | zeeble | maher he prolly means in teh "point and click" crowd :) |
| 04:22.42 | bob2 | ZSH. |
| 04:22.44 | kingsley | Stuart: Interesting. I rely on "ls -l". What do you use mc for? |
| 04:22.46 | bob2 | 0wns j00. |
| 04:22.47 | TMM | zeeble, reletivly close to hilversum (by canadian standards anyway) ;) |
| 04:22.55 | patfm | (ending up with stable, and then try once more ot upgrade to unstable) |
| 04:23.01 | gravity | bob2: Oh yeah. I can not live without it and it's s00p3r completion any more. |
| 04:23.09 | maher | ~tell patfm about downgrade |
| 04:23.13 | kingsley | maher: For programming. Piping stdout to stdin saves a lot of programming time. |
| 04:23.16 | patfm | maher: thanks |
| 04:23.37 | gravity | bob2: Now that I've started to seriously use svn and cvs, it's insane how useful zsh is |
| 04:23.42 | kingsley | gravity: Why did you start using zsh? |
| 04:23.43 | Stuart | moving and finding files, editing text, etc, etc. pretty much everything it can do :) |
| 04:24.11 | gravity | kingsley: I heard good things, particularly about its completion capabilities, so I decided to try it out. |
| 04:24.32 | gravity | bash is fine though |
| 04:24.33 | bob2 | gravity: when I'm DPL puppetmaster, I plan a GR to require every package to include zsh completions. mwahahaha. |
| 04:24.36 | zeeble | you dont use zsh or csh until you know you need something different from bash |
| 04:24.40 | kingsley | Stuart: Can mc be configured to invoke one's editor of choice, such as the value in $EDITOR? |
| 04:24.48 | gravity | bob2: I will back your domination scheme! |
| 04:24.55 | gravity | bob2: I will be a zsh stormtrooper :-) |
| 04:24.55 | TMM | ~tell TMM about downgrade |
| 04:24.57 | zeeble | kingsley of course |
| 04:24.59 | mwilson | zsh isn't THAT great. :) |
| 04:25.01 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 04:25.11 | ongeboren | somiaj: sounds acceptable.. what should I check ? what is bts ? |
| 04:25.13 | kingsley | gravity: You may already know this... but.... bash has completion now too. |
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| 04:25.23 | zeeble | ongeboren bug trackin system |
| 04:25.24 | gravity | kingsley: Do you know the difference? |
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| 04:25.44 | gravity | kingsley: I have used bash for... oh... four years prior (with about a month of tcsh as an experiment) |
| 04:25.46 | Stuart | I think it can ... in freeBSD they replace it's built in editor with vi .... not a nice trick to play on an olde pharte like me ! |
| 04:26.20 | TMM | gravity, one month of pain... |
| 04:26.25 | gravity | TMM: Yep. |
| 04:26.27 | TMM | gravity, damn you beat me :) |
| 04:26.32 | gravity | Like a headwound :-) |
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| 04:26.35 | pme | I like most of the programmable stuff in /etc/bash_completions (I've contributed to some of it), but a few of them are just b0rken. |
| 04:26.36 | ongeboren | ok, thanks a lot. i'll see what i can do |
| 04:26.37 | patfm | golly downgrading looks heinous |
| 04:26.43 | kingsley | gravity: What difference? |
| 04:26.53 | Tweak22 | how can I show folder size? |
| 04:26.59 | TMM | gravity, why o why actally more accuratly HOW did you manage to keep running it for a month? :) |
| 04:27.00 | gravity | kingsley: Go look it up. It's got completion for various apps, not just file names. |
| 04:27.07 | droopy | What do I need to do to automatically login using ssh and my .ssh/id_* have tried many things where should I start?!?! |
| 04:27.12 | gravity | TMM: By using it as little as possible :-) |
| 04:27.15 | TMM | gravity, I put bash on EVERY unix machine I touch (And windows machines too usually) :) |
| 04:27.16 | ljlane | TMM, du -sm dirname |
| 04:27.29 | Tweak22 | what is command 2 show the size of a folder |
| 04:27.29 | johnsu01 | Hm, can't get windows me to see my cups printer on the debian box. printer works fine locally. i've look at some different smb.conf files, but no dice. |
| 04:27.31 | TMM | ljlane, err? |
| 04:27.35 | kingsley | gravity: I know. bash has that now too. |
| 04:27.37 | gravity | TMM: It was an act of willpower too. I just had to see why so many old *NIX heads were csh people still |
| 04:27.37 | ljlane | sorry |
| 04:27.41 | maher | droopy: use ssh-copy-id |
| 04:27.43 | droopy | Tweak22 du |
| 04:27.51 | ljlane | Tweak22, du -sh dirname |
| 04:27.55 | gravity | kingsley: Since when? I hadn't heard of it. |
| 04:27.58 | zoid | how can i easily put a " at the beginng and end of every line in a file? |
| 04:28.09 | johnsu01 | the network connection in general seems to be working fine. using samba. |
| 04:28.11 | maher | zoid: use sed |
| 04:28.14 | TMM | gravity, I have NO idea, REALLY |
| 04:28.18 | Tweak22 | ljlane thanks! |
| 04:28.34 | Xenguy | zoid: %/s/^/"/g |
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| 04:28.37 | johnsu01 | but the printer does not appear in that silly "network neighborhood", or in the browse window of the add-a-printer so-called wizard. |
| 04:28.44 | droopy | maher ok |
| 04:28.46 | ljlane | zoid, perl -pi -e 's/^/"/' * #edits in place |
| 04:28.48 | TMM | ljlane, np :) if I wasn't to lazy to scroll back a bit, I might even have understood it immedialty ;) |
| 04:29.01 | mwilson | csh isn't bad interactively, but why anyone would use it for anything else... :) |
| 04:29.05 | Xenguy | zoid: and then, %/s/$/"/g |
| 04:29.29 | Xenguy | zoid: in vim for instance |
| 04:29.34 | johnsu01 | cd /etc/samba |
| 04:29.36 | kingsley | gravity: I didn't keep track of when it started completing command line options, but it *may* have been a year or two ago. |
| 04:29.46 | zoid | kewl, thanks fellas |
| 04:29.52 | gravity | kingsley: Interesting. I'm reading up on it now. |
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| 04:29.57 | TMM | mwilson, interactively most shells are the same :) but on IRIX for instance it won't even give you a command history (or I was unable to find it, which I do not completly consider to be impossible) ;) |
| 04:29.58 | mwilson | kingsley: It wouldn't be at all unless you turned it on... it's not active by default. |
| 04:29.59 | Stuart | kingsley, the most imortant thing about nc type clones to me is being able to play in the file system in 2 places at the same time, source and destination. and a simple ansi type editor is what I like for playing with text. |
| 04:30.03 | droopy | maher name or service unknown |
| 04:30.22 | maher | droopy: what did you type |
| 04:30.29 | kingsley | zoid: $ cat file | sed 's/^/"/' |
| 04:30.46 | johnsu01 | I have 'printing=cups' and 'printcap=/etc/cups/printers.conf' and 'load printers=yes' in my smb.conf ... |
| 04:30.47 | gravity | kingsley: According to bash's completion faq, zsh's completion is more complete |
| 04:30.48 | droopy | maher the wrong thing! |
| 04:31.17 | kingsley | gravity: Very good. |
| 04:31.47 | zeeble | gravity zsh is prolly the only shell where the zsh-workers mailing list has more traffic thatn zsh-users :) |
| 04:31.49 | droopy | maher whats a identity file?? |
| 04:31.51 | gravity | kingsley: kingsley And I can't find that many completion scripts for bash right now, at least as installed. zsh does come with a ton |
| 04:32.02 | gravity | zeeble: Cool. I didn't know that :-) |
| 04:32.05 | maher | droopy: look in .ssh |
| 04:32.20 | mwilson | gravity: Debian ships one. |
| 04:32.27 | mwilson | gravity: bash keeps it all in one file. |
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| 04:32.47 | gravity | mwilson: Eww. Which file? |
| 04:32.49 | johnsu01 | anyone know if long printer names are a problem when trying to share over samba? |
| 04:33.05 | jetscreamer | ~/.bashtrc maybe |
| 04:33.10 | jetscreamer | no t |
| 04:33.17 | bob2 | johnsu01: #samba might know |
| 04:33.17 | gravity | mwilson: Ah, found it. /etc/bash_completion, right? |
| 04:33.27 | zeeble | yeah |
| 04:33.31 | mwilson | /etc/bash_completion |
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| 04:33.45 | johnsu01 | bob2: Yeah, I'll check. Thanks. |
| 04:33.52 | droopy | maher is it a cat of known_hosts or authorized_keys |
| 04:34.04 | mwilson | And /etc/bash_completion.d |
| 04:34.20 | gravity | Cool. That's good to know in case I ever get tired of zsh :-) |
| 04:34.25 | GhostDawg | Sid Vicious |
| 04:34.27 | zeeble | gravity http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml#completion |
| 04:34.37 | maher | droopy: no - do you have an identity/id_dsa/id_rsa file? |
| 04:34.51 | gravity | zeeble: Thanks |
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| 04:34.56 | tvn | how do I restrict ssh login but allow scp ? |
| 04:35.38 | gravity | Geez... 5,194 lines. Yeah, I like the componentized version better. |
| 04:35.46 | zeeble | haha |
| 04:36.04 | gravity | I'm glad it's got all this stuff though. That's nice to know. |
| 04:36.09 | gravity | I'm glad I stand corrected :-) |
| 04:36.19 | bob2 | tvn: install scponly |
| 04:36.23 | mwilson | Well, you can do the /etc/bash_completion.d/ thing too. |
| 04:36.32 | droopy | maher authorized_keys id_dsa id_dsa.pub id_rsa id_rsa.pub known_hosts..... |
| 04:36.48 | arauko | what kind of file is a file with extension .xpm? |
| 04:36.52 | tvn | bob2: thanks |
| 04:36.55 | zeeble | arauko img |
| 04:37.01 | helix | !spank bob2 |
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| 04:37.04 | zeeble | arauko file foo.xpm |
| 04:37.13 | mwilson | arauko: An X pixmap. |
| 04:37.23 | arauko | aah ok |
| 04:37.25 | arauko | thanks |
| 04:37.39 | arauko | mwilson, gimp generates that kind of image? |
| 04:37.42 | maher | droopy: try -i .ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 04:37.51 | mwilson | arauko: It can. |
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| 04:37.59 | arauko | nice, |
| 04:38.55 | mwilson | All sorts of utilities can. |
| 04:38.56 | jodathmorr | I am having a problem with kernel 2.6.1. The question and log is here: http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=120682 |
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| 04:39.13 | cafuego | FREE CABLE TV!!!!!! |
| 04:39.25 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 04:39.28 | helix | cafuego: is that rare in .au? |
| 04:39.35 | cafuego | helix: it was a blackbird this morning |
| 04:39.43 | helix | cafuego: mustafa again? |
| 04:39.48 | cafuego | helix: *nod* |
| 04:39.52 | helix | he's a bad little boy |
| 04:40.15 | cafuego | When I took the bird to the vet to be looked after, I bought him a pretty new collar with a bell on it. |
| 04:40.24 | *** part/#debian donius (~papadon@u1010293.ul.warwick.net) |
| 04:40.34 | muaddib | Question all I am in the process of setting postfix to deliver all mail to IMAP folders but I have a situation were some users won't be using imap and they will have mail sotred is spool directory on the mail server how does one specify multiple transports. Is postfix smart to go through a list to see how to route mail either locally or to imap server and if so how |
| 04:40.38 | cafuego | he's exceedingly annoyed now and refusing to go outside. |
| 04:40.40 | brat2 | anyone know anything about autoconf, pear, or pecl? |
| 04:40.42 | Justin__ | bleh, must. install. debian. on. indigo. |
| 04:40.44 | kawfee | bob2: you |
| 04:40.49 | zeeble | cafuego what's a blackbird? |
| 04:40.51 | bob2 | muaddib: per-domain, yes. |
| 04:40.56 | bob2 | Justin__: you have one? |
| 04:41.01 | Justin__ | bob2: we have 2 |
| 04:41.08 | helix | cafuego: that's hilarious.. did the bird live? |
| 04:41.12 | trans_err | jodathmorr: thats the output from 2.4.22 |
| 04:41.13 | bob2 | Justin__: <bah/> |
| 04:41.28 | cafuego | muaddib: use uw-imap, works with spools too. |
| 04:41.36 | muaddib | bob2: Is it possible with just one domain. I specfically want the root spool and other account to store mail in /var/mail and not got through lmtp |
| 04:41.48 | jodathmorr | trans_err: yes i know. i went into Knoppix and i had to do a dmesg to get that log |
| 04:41.51 | cafuego | helix: Dunno... it looked pretty abd, but wasn't actually bleeding and tried to escape and made noise. |
| 04:41.54 | kingsley | The rss-glx has cool looking screen savers. |
| 04:41.59 | jodathmorr | its what i get when i try to boot with my new kernel |
| 04:42.06 | muaddib | cafuego: I need LMTP though and eventually I will need cyrus for the performance |
| 04:42.07 | helix | poor birdy |
| 04:42.08 | gravity | helix: Nothing can get it out, unfortunately |
| 04:42.15 | bob2 | muaddib: hmmm, yeah |
| 04:42.17 | gravity | helix: I'm just glad I don't know any more |
| 04:42.21 | Justin__ | bob2: our room now has 1 ipx, 1 ss2 with no ram or drive, 1 ss20, 1 dual ultra 2, a O2 with no drive, an ipx(that we got netbsd on heh), xbox, and 2 x86 boxes :-) |
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| 04:42.26 | helix | gravity: lobotomy? |
| 04:42.33 | cafuego | muaddib: Hmm... local users can imap://localhost in that case |
| 04:42.34 | gravity | helix: It mutated my DNA |
| 04:42.39 | gravity | helix: The autotools tend to do that |
| 04:42.42 | bob2 | Justin__: gah. |
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| 04:42.52 | helix | Justin__: wow |
| 04:42.53 | quinten | anyone know offhand what format dvd the Apple g4 writes to? it's not easy to find on the Apple website |
| 04:42.55 | bob2 | Justin__: that's a fuckload of hardware. |
| 04:42.58 | Justin__ | bob2: and the newly aqcuired indigo2's, which work nice, but netscape 2.0S was not my favorite version |
| 04:42.59 | kawfee | sussudio: you like sheep? |
| 04:43.02 | kawfee | helix: hi there |
| 04:43.10 | quinten | apple g4 - is it DVD-R or DVD+R? |
| 04:43.11 | helix | kawfee: leave me alone |
| 04:43.13 | kawfee | helix: masquerading as a girl again? |
| 04:43.17 | kawfee | helix: bite me |
| 04:43.29 | helix | kawfee: you suck |
| 04:43.31 | bob2 | Justin__: #debianppc |
| 04:43.34 | gravity | !suck |
| 04:43.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 04:43.38 | kawfee | helix: actually, I lick |
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| 04:43.39 | bob2 | Justin__: hahah |
| 04:43.40 | gravity | :-) |
| 04:43.45 | kawfee | helix: if you were a girl, you'd suck |
| 04:43.46 | cafuego | helix: he sucks pretty well actually |
| 04:43.49 | Justin__ | bob2: my ppcs are at home:-) |
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| 04:43.52 | kawfee | helix: well, you might suck as a guy too |
| 04:43.54 | muaddib | cafuego: True but I would prefer /var/mail just for simplicity |
| 04:43.56 | helix | cafuego: WTMI |
| 04:43.59 | kawfee | helix: all things considered |
| 04:44.00 | droopy | maher :( cn't figure it out? |
| 04:44.06 | helix | kawfee: your obsession with me is very unbecoming |
| 04:44.10 | cafuego | quinten: G4s are pretty old now, i'd guess DVD-R |
| 04:44.12 | muaddib | bob2: How exactly I haven't found any documentation that explains it |
| 04:44.17 | brat2 | okay this sucks |
| 04:44.20 | Justin__ | bob2: oh, i forgot the laptops, we have 3 :-) |
| 04:44.24 | cafuego | !wtmi |
| 04:44.24 | dpkg | somebody said wtmi was waaaay too much information |
| 04:44.27 | cafuego | oic |
| 04:44.30 | gravity | !tmi |
| 04:44.30 | dpkg | tmi is probably too much information |
| 04:44.46 | bob2 | muaddib: well, you can have a map that specifies mailbox location per user |
| 04:44.58 | bob2 | muaddib: but that may require using the virtual table |
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| 04:45.10 | maher | droopy: try ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub <host> |
| 04:45.10 | cafuego | muaddib: the transports map is that you'd be after, then |
| 04:45.21 | droopy | maher AHH |
| 04:45.40 | muaddib | ahhh cool thanks guys I will read up on that |
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| 04:46.23 | Icemaann | im using testing, and i just installed apache-ssl, but when i connect to https in a browser, it always asks me to save a file lol |
| 04:46.40 | gravity | kawfee: Do you seriously think helix is a guy? |
| 04:46.44 | Icemaann | anyone know why that would happen? |
| 04:46.46 | droopy | maher <host> or <user@host>?? |
| 04:46.57 | maher | droopy: the latter |
| 04:46.58 | cafuego | gravity: Do you seriously think kawfee is a guy? |
| 04:47.21 | zeeble | Icemaann maybe your apache is not configured to serve the type of page you are requesting |
| 04:47.22 | gravity | cafuego: Well.. if by "guy" you mean "has a penis", then only barely |
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| 04:49.11 | Icemaann | zeeble: okay, ill check the config |
| 04:49.24 | kawfee | gravity: I was told by reliable sources that he is |
| 04:49.42 | gravity | cafuego: I suggest knitting combined with masturbation. Or if that fails, trying to take over the world. |
| 04:49.48 | gravity | kawfee: "reliable sources" being...? |
| 04:49.58 | helix | gravity: probably sgeiger :) |
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| 04:50.00 | cafuego | gravity: I don't need masturbation, I have a wife. |
| 04:50.05 | kawfee | gravity: sgeigerbot for one |
| 04:50.09 | helix | HAHAHA |
| 04:50.14 | helix | that's so funny.. |
| 04:50.15 | kawfee | cafuego: do you have one for me? |
| 04:50.37 | gravity | cafuego: Well if she doesn't want to participate then you can enjoy your hobby solo :-) |
| 04:50.45 | gravity | kawfee: Since when is sgeigerbot "reliable"? |
| 04:50.56 | cafuego | kawfee: Depends... how's your russian? |
| 04:51.10 | gravity | Hehe |
| 04:51.17 | vibey | bittorrent is the bomb! |
| 04:51.18 | kawfee | cafuego: not very good. Do I have to know russian? |
| 04:51.29 | cafuego | kawfee: Well.... |
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| 04:51.32 | kawfee | cafuego: did you get your wife by mail? |
| 04:51.45 | cafuego | kawfee: Of course not, Ebay! |
| 04:51.48 | kawfee | cafuego: how much? |
| 04:52.00 | wolfman2000 | do any of you guys know of a good linux ips patching tool? |
| 04:52.01 | gravity | I want to learn Russian. The mail order bride would just be the icing on that cake. |
| 04:52.08 | cafuego | kawfee: The reserve was $249.95 |
| 04:52.23 | cafuego | kawfee: that's all i'm saying |
| 04:52.23 | kawfee | reserve? |
| 04:52.45 | gravity | I think it'd be great to have a Russian Mail Order Bride simply to be able to talk about it. The looks on people's faces as you told them would be priceless beyond imagining. |
| 04:52.57 | kawfee | cafuego: come on, gimmie the details |
| 04:52.58 | zeeble | mwilson hey, remember once you had said something about pre 2.4.x kernels needing swap=2xRAM, where exactly do i get info on this? |
| 04:52.59 | cafuego | mind you, important. |
| 04:53.25 | helix | cafuego: ha.. da svidanya, paka, zdrastvuitye.. i think |
| 04:53.29 | helix | those are all relatively useful.. |
| 04:53.30 | vibey | i want to order a bride |
| 04:53.32 | cafuego | zeeble: They don't *need* it, their performance just sucks if they have less. |
| 04:53.51 | gravity | helix: What are those? |
| 04:53.54 | sandman | Hmm.. eating chinese, just noticed what looks like a cat ear in my food.. |
| 04:54.03 | helix | gravity: goodbye, bye, hello |
| 04:54.07 | DelEat | sandman: more likely it's rat ;-) |
| 04:54.12 | helix | paka is the relaxed form.. |
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| 04:54.18 | cafuego | sandman: does it answer to the names 'mustafa' or 'pixel' ? |
| 04:54.21 | gravity | helix: Coolness. Thank you |
| 04:54.22 | helix | gravity: pazhalsta == you're welcome |
| 04:54.24 | zeeble | cafuego ok |
| 04:54.57 | kawfee | helix: are you a russian woman? |
| 04:55.06 | helix | gravity: well.. i picked these up from some book i bought not too long ago |
| 04:55.09 | sandman | cafuego: It appears to move noticably when I say "pixel".. |
| 04:55.11 | gravity | DelEat: Nah, just plenty of interests |
| 04:55.14 | pme | and prastiitye is "excuse/pardon me", iirc |
| 04:55.16 | cafuego | zeeble: the swapping algorithm they use is crappy and gets a lot of overhead if the kernel does start swapping on > 2xram space. |
| 04:55.20 | gravity | helix: Are you still working on Portuguese? |
| 04:55.23 | helix | gravity: mne nravitsa may be useful.. (i like - similar to me gusta in spanish) |
| 04:55.27 | cafuego | s/>/</ |
| 04:55.28 | helix | gravity: heh, yeah.. that too |
| 04:55.33 | gravity | :-) |
| 04:55.34 | kawfee | Why is it everyone knows helix except I? |
| 04:55.34 | helix | kawfee: no, i'm an american woman |
| 04:55.40 | DelEat | gravity: me too, but not enough time in a day... |
| 04:55.41 | helix | kawfee: dude, i've been here since last march |
| 04:55.42 | kawfee | helix: are you hot? |
| 04:55.52 | helix | kawfee: does that matter? |
| 04:55.53 | cafuego | helix is the 3rd one along in a babushka doll |
| 04:55.53 | gravity | helix: Liar! I have RELIABLE SOURCES that state that you're a martian... whatever you martians are! |
| 04:56.01 | helix | gravity: heh |
| 04:56.03 | pme | "f khodiitye" is "come in". |
| 04:56.03 | gravity | DelEat: Same :-) |
| 04:56.08 | kawfee | helix: sorry, I never noticed. I tend to mysogonystic. |
| 04:56.08 | sandman | Wow, that's the first time in quite a while where I couldn't finish the meal.. |
| 04:56.12 | kawfee | helix: of course it does. |
| 04:56.16 | sandman | Almost puked when I noticed that ear-lookin thing |
| 04:56.17 | droopy | maher AHH still no autologin but it updated authorized_hosts file.... |
| 04:56.22 | helix | kawfee: oh ok |
| 04:56.30 | kawfee | helix: if you are not hot then I totally have no interest. |
| 04:56.51 | cafuego | droopy: Run ssh-agent locally and export SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK |
| 04:56.53 | pme | "schockmatii" is chess. |
| 04:56.58 | DelEat | sandman: eat it - let me know if it tastes good! |
| 04:57.00 | helix | kawfee: you don't know if i'm hot now and seem to be obsessed with me |
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| 04:57.28 | kawfee | helix: only cause you entertain me. |
| 04:57.31 | DelEat | pme: sure it's not "checkmate"? |
| 04:57.35 | kawfee | helix: I like entertainment. |
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| 04:57.38 | DelEat | pme: :-) |
| 04:57.53 | pme | DelEat: No, you're not far off. That's where the name comes from. |
| 04:58.04 | cafuego | kawfee: Go here and decide for yourself: http://www.hotornot.com/ |
| 04:58.07 | helix | gravity: btw, ya lyublyu tibya is 'i love you'.. it might come in handy one day |
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| 04:58.27 | kawfee | cafuego: yeah right. I'm not looking through there. |
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| 04:58.37 | helix | !lart cafuego |
| 04:58.39 | cafuego | ooh ooh! I also know "koshka" and "kiska tsarapka" |
| 04:58.39 | gravity | helix: Ah, very nice :-) |
| 04:58.49 | sandman | DelEat: I did eat most of it. After I noticed the ear-looking thing, I realized that the meat had be really chewy for some reason.. you know, this doesn't surprise me. There was a chinese place a few cities down that was shut down, because they had plumbing problems. Let me explain: They called in a plumber, because tey had backup. There was a horrible smell throughout hte place, and they said it had to be fixed asap. Well, the plumber went |
| 04:58.52 | helix | gravity: in japanese, it's 'aishteru' |
| 04:58.54 | gravity | helix: I'm looking up Russian Language stuff on Amazon right now :-) |
| 04:58.55 | kawfee | !fruitsmite helix |
| 04:58.57 | cafuego | "kitten" and "catscratch" |
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| 04:58.59 | gravity | helix: Just as good ;_) |
| 04:59.01 | helix | oh, i love oranges! |
| 04:59.06 | pme | DelEat: For that matter, that's what the original Persian game was called. "shah mat", "the king is dead", was both the name of the game, and what you said when you took the king. Russian and a bunch of other langs adapted that name. I have no frigging clue why we call it "chess". |
| 04:59.09 | kawfee | helix: you need to stop pestering all of us. |
| 04:59.11 | sussudio | !kawfeestrike kawfee |
| 04:59.22 | kawfee | haha |
| 04:59.22 | helix | kawfee: you're the only one who feels pestered |
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| 04:59.25 | sussudio | bah |
| 04:59.25 | bakercp | can someone help me get kde installed on Xebian 1.0.0 (xbox debian distro)? i am having some dependencies problems ... |
| 04:59.25 | sandman | stale coffee.. that's what I'm having right now. |
| 04:59.31 | sussudio | !factinfo kawfeestrike |
| 04:59.31 | dpkg | kawfeestrike -- created by simonrvn <simon@simonrvn.usercloak.freenode> at Wed Dec 24 20:07:31 2003 (25 days). |
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| 04:59.52 | Tweak22 | how can I close a screen ? |
| 04:59.52 | kawfee | sussudio: someone screwed up srt as well |
| 04:59.52 | kawfee | SUSSUDIO! |
| 04:59.52 | kawfee | ~sing sussudio |
| 04:59.54 | | ACTION sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 04:59.56 | kawfee | !sing sussudio |
| 05:00.03 | pn0i | when i do a net install, will my debian 3.0 have the latest packages? |
| 05:00.05 | kawfee | these bots should be synced |
| 05:00.09 | DelEat | sussudio: when did you stop rot13'ing your name? |
| 05:00.10 | sandman | pn0i: Something like that. |
| 05:00.12 | cafuego | pme: I think you'll find that the dutch for "checkmate" is 'schaakmat' whioch sounds exatly like 'shah mat' |
| 05:00.15 | Tweak22 | screen -r steam I do but I cant close that screen I go ctl A and D but that leaves it open |
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| 05:00.21 | kawfee | Tweak22: ctrk a, ctrl d |
| 05:00.27 | Tweak22 | yeah that leaves it running |
| 05:00.29 | helix | cafuego: what language is this? russian? |
| 05:00.30 | Tweak22 | I wasnt it 2 stop |
| 05:00.31 | kawfee | Tweak22: oh wait, that detaches |
| 05:00.31 | Tweak22 | and close |
| 05:00.33 | pn0i | cuz i remember installing debian and it only installed xfree 4.1.0 not 4.3.0 and i had troule starting X |
| 05:00.34 | Tweak22 | yeah |
| 05:00.36 | kawfee | Tweak22: just close the program |
| 05:00.40 | cafuego | helix: Supposedly |
| 05:00.41 | kawfee | Tweak22: or kill -9 it |
| 05:00.45 | bakercp | can someone help me get kde installed on Xebian 1.0.0 (xbox debian distro)? i am having some dependencies problems ... |
| 05:00.49 | helix | hm |
| 05:00.55 | Tweak22 | kawfee screen kill steam? |
| 05:00.59 | pme | cafuego: Yeah, most of the foreign languages I learn seem to call it something similar to shah mat... I never have figured out wtf "chess" came from. |
| 05:01.03 | sussudio | cafuego: shah mat klinkt meer als schaamhaar |
| 05:01.08 | jamie_starke | anybody got any ideas for me, I'm working with an old P100 that somebody gave me, and I'm having trouble booting |
| 05:01.16 | cafuego | !lart sussudio |
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| 05:01.31 | maher | ~linux on xbox |
| 05:01.33 | | it has been said that linux on xbox is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 05:01.35 | droopy | THANKS ALL |
| 05:01.37 | cafuego | sussudio: may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your pubic hair |
| 05:01.39 | kawfee | Tweak22:just close the app that is running |
| 05:01.47 | kawfee | Tweak22: what is running? |
| 05:02.01 | sussudio | kamelen hebben volgens mij helemaal geen vlooien |
| 05:02.13 | kawfee | sussudio: silence! |
| 05:02.24 | Tweak22 | kawfee a counterstrike server but I cant type exit in it :0( |
| 05:02.27 | RainbowW | what's the current size of the sid i386 pool? |
| 05:02.28 | sussudio | kawfee: ga spelen kutkonijn |
| 05:02.30 | jamie_starke | whenever I try to boot, it's giving me a L40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40..... |
| 05:02.32 | bakercp | (nice link apt) |
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| 05:03.09 | kawfee | Tweak22: ps aucx; get the pid and kill -9 PID |
| 05:03.18 | RainbowW | jamie_starke: boot with floppy, fix lilo |
| 05:03.32 | Tweak22 | kawfee thats the whole command kill -9 12311 ? |
| 05:03.39 | cafuego | helix: a russian banker from moscow told me (via online) |
| 05:03.41 | kawfee | Tweak22: is 12311 the pid? |
| 05:03.44 | Tweak22 | yes |
| 05:03.49 | kawfee | Tweak22: then yes |
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| 05:03.59 | kawfee | Tweak22: try it, try reading the man page for kill as well |
| 05:04.13 | kawfee | Tweak22: you can also try killall appname |
| 05:04.13 | Tweak22 | didnt kill it |
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| 05:04.23 | kawfee | Tweak22: how do you know? |
| 05:04.26 | Tweak22 | oh wait |
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| 05:04.30 | Tweak22 | its says dead ??? now haha |
| 05:04.42 | kawfee | Tweak22: ps aucx; is it in the listing? |
| 05:04.50 | Tweak22 | ohhhh |
| 05:04.54 | Tweak22 | its screen -wipe! |
| 05:04.54 | kawfee | Tweak22: try killing it again and see what happens? |
| 05:05.04 | kawfee | I don't care what it is. is it dead? |
| 05:05.13 | cafuego | kawfee: it's coughing up blood |
| 05:05.20 | Tweak22 | it says dead ?? remove dead screen with screen -wite |
| 05:05.22 | Tweak22 | wipe |
| 05:05.23 | kawfee | Hit it again! |
| 05:05.24 | Tweak22 | thanks |
| 05:05.31 | cafuego | kawfee: it bit me! |
| 05:05.34 | kawfee | Tweak22: you should have killed the screen then |
| 05:05.37 | Tweak22 | no such process |
| 05:05.44 | kawfee | don't lie to me |
| 05:05.49 | kawfee | screen has a PID |
| 05:06.05 | kawfee | cafuego: you got to close |
| 05:06.05 | Tweak22 | thanks so much |
| 05:06.06 | kawfee | cafuego: does your wife bite? |
| 05:06.09 | kawfee | you are welcome |
| 05:06.13 | cafuego | kawfee: yes, she does |
| 05:06.19 | kawfee | cafuego: then you should be used to it |
| 05:06.22 | Tweak22 | nwhen I tried 2 kill it again it said that there is no process .. becusae it was dead |
| 05:06.35 | Tweak22 | then I hape 2 wipe that gets rid of all the dead ones from the screen -list |
| 05:06.42 | cafuego | kawfee: doesn't mean it doesn't bloody hurt :-P |
| 05:06.47 | kawfee | Tweak22: you'll have to restart it if you want to kill it again |
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| 05:06.58 | Tweak22 | restart what? |
| 05:06.59 | kawfee | cafuego: tell her not to use her teeth then |
| 05:07.08 | kawfee | Tweak22: the process |
| 05:07.10 | RelDrgn | err |
| 05:07.15 | kawfee | am I talking to a wall? |
| 05:07.36 | RelDrgn | dead screens are screens where the process is gone but the fs socket is still there |
| 05:07.37 | wacky | quick question: about how many packages does bebian have? |
| 05:07.44 | kawfee | wacky: not enough |
| 05:07.51 | kawfee | wacky: packages.debian.org |
| 05:08.00 | cafuego | wacky: 20-odd-thousand |
| 05:08.00 | RainbowW | wacky, not the one you need. |
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| 05:10.57 | yayayayay | Hello people!!! Anyone have NWN going with the linux 2.6 kernel? |
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| 05:11.17 | somiaj | yayayayay: yea works here just fine, my friend can run it as well (though he is having sound issues) |
| 05:11.33 | somiaj | yayayayay: though this realy isn't the place for such discussion |
| 05:11.36 | wiz | is there a program capable of viewing powerpoint presentations in linux |
| 05:11.37 | wiz | ? |
| 05:11.44 | gravity | wiz: OpenOffice |
| 05:11.47 | yayayayay | oh ok... sorry |
| 05:11.47 | DelEat | wiz: openoffice? |
| 05:11.54 | somiaj | wiz: openoffice.org has a powerpoint part |
| 05:12.02 | wiz | gravity: openoffice views M$ powerpoint presentations? |
| 05:12.11 | gravity | wiz: Yes |
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| 05:12.20 | gravity | Why do I have to repeat that? |
| 05:12.42 | pn0i | what changes have been made in 3.0r2? i believe i still have my netinstall cd from 3.0r1 |
| 05:12.49 | wacky | thanks guys |
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| 05:12.52 | pn0i | i wanna know if it's worth downloading the netinstall cd for 3.0r2 |
| 05:13.00 | zeeble | pn0i no |
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| 05:13.24 | zeeble | you dont download netinstall cds :) install the base, change the sourceslist to what you want and install |
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| 05:13.37 | somiaj | pn0i: no, jsut install r1, and then upgrade to get the security fixes |
| 05:13.53 | pn0i | k ty |
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| 05:15.09 | efb | does apt saves any log about the last changes done to the system? I need to know what were the packages upgraded by the last dist-upgrade. |
| 05:15.20 | Icemaann | my modules-config for apache modules does not work, anytime i run it, it just eventually returns to the prompt without making any changes |
| 05:15.41 | Icemaann | modules-config apache enable mod_rewrite |
| 05:16.35 | tempo | how do i change the source of installation from apt-get to a dir on my hd? |
| 05:16.47 | zeeble | tempo apt-setup |
| 05:16.59 | the1 | vi /etc/apt/souces.list |
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| 05:18.49 | tempo | zeeble, and how do i get to the basic list of applications the basic list. not the dselect |
| 05:19.09 | gravity | tempo: tasksel |
| 05:19.20 | tempo | gravity, thx |
| 05:19.56 | sandman | How to have X run xset m 0 @ every xinit? |
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| 05:20.42 | avion | Can I ask why I am always getting corrupt characters in /var/lib/dpkg/available - am I doing something wrong? |
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| 05:21.32 | loudspeaker | I didn't install the ssh server ... is there a quick way to do that? |
| 05:21.49 | Justin__ | loudspeaker: install sssh |
| 05:21.51 | mwilson | Whoever pointed to that bash productivity page... I don't like you very much. :) You made me start working on .bashrc again. :) |
| 05:22.04 | gravity | hehe |
| 05:22.05 | loudspeaker | Grr. Thought it would be something easy. |
| 05:22.14 | Justin__ | echo apt-get install zsh bash- > bash_productivity.html |
| 05:22.17 | Justin__ | teehee |
| 05:22.22 | gravity | :-) |
| 05:22.31 | gravity | Join the zsh army! |
| 05:22.49 | gravity | Does bash have prompt themes too? |
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| 05:23.06 | zeeble | mwilson that bash page is cool. i am back with baash after a zsh/csh trip |
| 05:23.07 | zeke | is there a way to use the woody install cd to bootstrap using another system as the location to rip the .debs from? i can't seem to get the woody netinstall cd to do a netinstall, but it looks for the .debs on the cd... |
| 05:23.08 | gravity | I want to know what other zsh features they've managed to swipe :-) |
| 05:23.10 | zeeble | gravity yes |
| 05:23.16 | mwilson | gravity: Yes. |
| 05:23.28 | gravity | madness |
| 05:23.47 | zeeble | gravity http://www.dreamind.de/ |
| 05:25.16 | gravity | zeeble: That's not what I mean. I know you can config it, but I mean built-in themes. |
| 05:25.38 | tempo | zeeble, how do i define a file system source for installation located on /dev/hda1/Drivers/debian? |
| 05:25.39 | gravity | zeeble: The prompt file on the page you linked is just a custom config |
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| 05:25.59 | zeeble | gravity ahh, no built ins i think |
| 05:26.02 | gravity | Ah, Ok |
| 05:26.09 | gravity | That's one thing I liked right away about zsh |
| 05:26.17 | tempo | zeeble, i am trying to install my debian using a source that is located on a different partition. i am now in the apt-setup |
| 05:26.23 | gravity | The other thing, and this is big, is that the user's guide is very well written. The bash docs are difficult. |
| 05:26.39 | gravity | Although nothing beats the Bash Scripting Guide for that sort of info |
| 05:26.56 | zeeble | zsh completion scripts are pretty weirdly documented too |
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| 05:27.05 | tempo | what should i write in the filesystem? |
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| 05:27.17 | gravity | zeeble: I haven't tried too hard to read them yet |
| 05:27.26 | zeeble | if you can say that the code is documentation. but the completion stuff is excellent code |
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| 05:28.46 | zeke | what's all this about zsh? is it worth trying? |
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| 05:29.02 | cafuego | zeke: nah |
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| 05:29.19 | Justin__ | tab completion in bash is stupid |
| 05:29.20 | Erik2_ | Is it possible to play DVD with mplayer? How? |
| 05:29.45 | tempo | and how do i define the location of the filesystem source? just /dev/hda1/dir/debian? |
| 05:29.47 | Justin__ | Erik2_: man mplayer? |
| 05:29.55 | Edward|^| | morning... |
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| 05:30.35 | ezra | hi guys |
| 05:30.36 | cafuego | Erik2_: mplayer -vo xv dvd://<titleno> |
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| 05:31.10 | ezra | i'm trying to follow the instructions at http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/mysql-config.html but where it says to edit file /etc/init.d/mysql.server i don't have that file... any suggestions? |
| 05:31.25 | cafuego | ezra: /etc/my.cnf |
| 05:31.30 | ezra | oh |
| 05:31.34 | ezra | doh |
| 05:31.51 | ezra | oh man i don't have that file either |
| 05:31.57 | ezra | and i deffinately have mysql installed |
| 05:32.03 | GhostDawg | I was looking through my /etc/services and notice this listed twice, "microsoft-ds 445/tcp #Microsoft Naked CIFS" |
| 05:32.11 | Erik2_ | cafuego: why -vo xv ? |
| 05:32.13 | GhostDawg | what is it? |
| 05:32.13 | cafuego | ezra: pam_mysql can also just use the socket |
| 05:32.16 | ezra | cafuego: oh nm, i got /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 05:32.23 | cafuego | ezra: generic output plugin |
| 05:32.28 | cafuego | Erik2_ even |
| 05:32.31 | zeke | what package provides the command startx? what package can i install that will drag all the dependencies in? |
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| 05:32.39 | cafuego | Erik2_: I assume you don't have the same gfx card I do. |
| 05:32.45 | ezra | cafuego: is that the way they explain to do it at http://www.web-cyradm.org/debian/HowTo.txt |
| 05:32.57 | cafuego | GhostDawg: note 'udp and 'tcp' |
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| 05:33.01 | ezra | the two are a little different and i'm not real sure which to follow |
| 05:33.07 | GhostDawg | cafuego: yes |
| 05:33.11 | Ra1stlin | good morning |
| 05:33.12 | gravity | zeke: xbase-clients |
| 05:33.14 | cafuego | ezra: The top one |
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| 05:33.39 | tempo | how do i usally mount a pcmcia cdrom? |
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| 05:33.58 | cafuego | ezra: My sql server needs to listen on that port, coz I use a dedicated box to run it on (not the mailserver) but normally you just use localhost |
| 05:34.10 | cafuego | tempo: modprobe ide_cs; see which device it is, mount it. |
| 05:34.11 | ezra | cafuego: ok... but for instance when it mentions file /etc/init.d/mysql.server it says to change that line on line 107 of the file... /etc/mysql/my.cnf doesn't even have 107 lines :( |
| 05:34.25 | ezra | yea i run it all on one box myself |
| 05:34.35 | cafuego | ezra: No, just look for the equivalent option in your my.cnf file. |
| 05:34.42 | GhostDawg | cafuego: those aren't anything to worry about? |
| 05:34.43 | ezra | oh ok |
| 05:34.49 | cafuego | ezra: or in this case, don't bother making that chance. |
| 05:34.59 | cafuego | GhostDawg: correct |
| 05:35.06 | cafuego | GhostDawg: it's just a listing of what is what. |
| 05:35.13 | GhostDawg | ok, thnx |
| 05:35.23 | ezra | dont bother? |
| 05:35.31 | cafuego | ezra: correct |
| 05:35.54 | Erik2_ | cafuego: don't work with mplayer :( But work with xine. |
| 05:36.03 | ezra | cafuego: i don't understand |
| 05:36.06 | cafuego | Erik2_: use xine then |
| 05:36.23 | Erik2_ | cafuego: it's not as clean as mplayer... |
| 05:36.24 | ezra | i shouldn't follow what http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/mysql-config.html says to do? |
| 05:36.30 | cafuego | ezra: Just leave your my.cnf alone, skip to the next step. |
| 05:36.35 | ezra | ok |
| 05:36.55 | cafuego | ezra: Just make sure you have a database and tables set up... don't bother enabling remote access for mysql. |
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| 05:38.03 | ezra | cafuego: ok thanks i'll see what i can do |
| 05:38.07 | Hobart | new fedora install's up2date gui running sloooowwww... is there an option to point it to a faster mirror? |
| 05:38.27 | Justin__ | Hobart: #fedora |
| 05:38.37 | JimButton | Hobart: what does fedora have to do with debian? |
| 05:39.16 | Hobart | Well whoops. :-) Sorry there. Was looking in #deb to see if I was worried about 2.2/woody for the exploit... mischan, sorry! |
| 05:39.33 | kawfee | how can I add icons to afterstep? |
| 05:40.20 | ezra | is there SQL code somewhere to set my db up with? |
| 05:40.33 | The_Vulture | ezra: yeah, TFW |
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| 05:40.45 | ezra | TFW? |
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| 05:40.56 | The_Vulture | The F... Web |
| 05:41.03 | mwilson | <sigh> My .bashrc is 142 lines. |
| 05:41.04 | ezra | hmm |
| 05:41.13 | ezra | i meant on this HOWTO but ok :) |
| 05:41.17 | tempo | cafuego, i got to apt-setup. i have the installation cd on /dev/hda1/Drivers/debian + i have a cdrom (Sony) connected to my pcmcia with the installation cd. i finished installing debian but did not add any special pkgs. now i want to add all those pkgs (GNUstep, xserver and others) and i can not since i have no internet connectivity. only the installation cd on the other partition and a cdrom (the idea is eventually to use a wireless card for connec |
| 05:41.17 | tempo | tivity) |
| 05:41.18 | vividan | hey guys, I want to give outgoing ssh packets priority over everything else on my debian NAT box... I have all the modules/software I need for it, but I'm having a hard time getting it to work |
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| 05:44.29 | revengeslayer | hi! i want to launch /sbin/halt from my apache web server, i tried this with sudo but always need to give a password, why? i've put apache ALL=/sbin/halt in /etc/sudoers..., now i've done a u+s on /sbin/halt and seem to work. safe? there are no other users but root and apache allowed on the box. |
| 05:44.58 | rdancer | hi, how would I make user-mode-linux to accept BackSpace / ^H in its xterm console? |
| 05:45.27 | mwilson | When did "apache" become the name of a user? |
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| 05:46.01 | vividan | mwilson: apache runs as the apache user for security reasons |
| 05:46.06 | mwilson | vividan: Since when? |
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| 05:46.18 | vividan | mwilson: for as long as I've known |
| 05:46.23 | JimButton | i think woody did not have a user apache |
| 05:46.24 | gravity | A long while I thought |
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| 05:46.41 | JimButton | or i never installed it |
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| 05:47.16 | JimButton | i have a user www-data |
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| 05:47.52 | maher | JimButton: so am I right in thinking Sp(2n,R) is homotopy equivalent to U(n) its maximal compact subgroup |
| 05:47.55 | mwilson | vividan: I think I'll continue running it under www-data like the Debian packages do. |
| 05:48.13 | JimButton | maher: i am drunk, don't ask me questions like that now :) |
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| 05:48.21 | maher | JimButton: ;) |
| 05:48.27 | vividan | mwilson: hmm, interesting... I always thought it was apache. |
| 05:48.33 | JimButton | maher: sping geometry is a bit rusty anyway :) |
| 05:48.36 | JimButton | maher: in my head |
| 05:48.40 | mwilson | That'd be rather stupid, actually. |
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| 05:48.41 | maher | JimButton: maybe someone else will know :) |
| 05:49.05 | marcm | does anyone know when sarge will comme out? |
| 05:49.12 | mwilson | When it's ready. |
| 05:49.14 | JimButton | marcm: i don't think so |
| 05:49.27 | mwilson | Let me guess... you'll just die in the meantime, right? |
| 05:49.31 | yanglee | hey has a kid been in here spamming his channel lately?? |
| 05:50.11 | GhostDawg | sarge came out when they released 3.0r2 |
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| 05:50.28 | marcm | mwilson whell, I need a distro for production enviornmet as desktop....woody seems to old |
| 05:50.39 | mwilson | GhostDawg: Really. I'm sure you've told ajt that he's mistaken about his release schedule, then. |
| 05:50.39 | The_Vulture | marcm: production of what? |
| 05:50.49 | The_Vulture | and what is it you are doing that woody doesn't suit? |
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| 05:51.05 | Jordi_ | marcm: How many machines? |
| 05:51.12 | GhostDawg | mwilson, that was a joke |
| 05:51.18 | mfbian | what's the latest debian |
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| 05:51.31 | marcm | Jordi_ 3 |
| 05:51.33 | Jordi_ | mfbian: 3.0 |
| 05:51.42 | GhostDawg | 3.0r2 |
| 05:51.43 | mwilson | GhostDawg: Oh, was it? |
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| 05:51.51 | mfbian | i got an 2.2 debian cd, but my usb network adapter is not detected.. it's linksys usb adapter |
| 05:51.58 | Jordi_ | marcm: You could support Debian yourself, couldn't you? |
| 05:52.01 | marcm | The_Vulture all kinds of stuff, from running a small business to doing C/C++, PHP and what not |
| 05:52.03 | mwilson | GhostDawg: I thought jokes were supposed to be funny, not stupid? |
| 05:52.12 | GhostDawg | ok |
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| 05:52.17 | jp- | you thought wrong |
| 05:52.19 | marcm | Jordi_ on those machines? |
| 05:52.19 | GhostDawg | it wasnt to u |
| 05:52.25 | The_Vulture | marcm: that doesn't really answer the latter question |
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| 05:52.44 | JimButton | mwilson: everything labeled "joke" is considered a joke, i learned |
| 05:52.54 | zeeble | marcm consider other linux distros as well? if you want to use debian, you choose woody, or if you go along with something more updated, then you got to use testing/unstable. anyway, its your call. you know what debian offers |
| 05:52.58 | Jordi_ | marcm: Yep. I mean, when it is a big number of machines and the users are, well, just users, it becomes tough to use Debian. But three machines? |
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| 05:53.29 | Jordi_ | (tough to use Debian testing/sid, I mean) |
| 05:53.42 | JimButton | mwilson: we have a guy here at the department who always tells the same jokes at the christmas party, and most of them are not even remotely funny, destroyed my cliche that jewish humor is always funny |
| 05:53.55 | gravity | Hehe |
| 05:54.15 | marcm | Jordi_ well, I got a laptop also , which uses my mom...I was thinking of buying xandros for that one |
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| 05:54.26 | helix | you have a laptop that uses your mom? |
| 05:54.31 | vividan | kinky |
| 05:54.34 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 05:54.40 | zeeble | marcm wow |
| 05:54.47 | zeeble | whta laptop is this? |
| 05:54.49 | helix | i'd be mad at my laptop if it did that |
| 05:54.50 | rdancer | lol |
| 05:54.52 | JimButton | can we see pictures? |
| 05:54.56 | gravity | Haha |
| 05:55.00 | helix | marcm: no dinner or anything? |
| 05:55.05 | Jordi_ | marcm: This is not so difficult. Woody is too old, right? So it is out of question. Fine. You either have the option of supporting woody+backports or testing/sid, or buying one of the comercial distros. |
| 05:55.10 | kawfee | How can I personalize afterstep? |
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| 05:55.59 | Jordi_ | marcm: I suggest (flame away) SuSE or Redhat, unless you don't care about third party applications support. |
| 05:56.05 | marcm | Jordi_ buying what? RedHat is out of the question, as I don't need enterprise support, Mandrake is buggy, and I don't like Suse |
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| 05:56.20 | marcm | Jordi_ you mean Fedora |
| 05:56.24 | GhostDawg | marcm: try Sid |
| 05:56.24 | vividan | does knoppix have a harddrive install option? |
| 05:56.30 | vividan | that might work for you |
| 05:56.31 | marcm | Jordi_ I've tried Suse |
| 05:56.39 | zeeble | marcm and you cant support debian unstable? |
| 05:56.40 | GhostDawg | suse kinda sucks |
| 05:56.43 | marcm | Jordi_ It was cool until I wanted to install more stuff |
| 05:56.44 | helix | yeah, knoppix has a hard drive installation.. |
| 05:56.49 | Jordi_ | marcm: I guess you're just going to have to support you own debian environment then. |
| 05:56.49 | Erik2_ | I don't know what to do for pcmcia. I compiled the modules... but now? |
| 05:56.55 | zeke | what module needs to be added for scsi emulation? |
| 05:57.12 | zeeble | helix mepis linux is nice. better than knoppix |
| 05:57.28 | helix | zeeble: debian based? |
| 05:57.29 | vividan | zeke: ide-scsi, sg and scsi_mod |
| 05:57.32 | Jordi_ | marcm: Fedora is not really an option for production, IMO. |
| 05:57.41 | zeeble | helix yeah |
| 05:57.52 | helix | zeeble: does it have a fucked up sources.list like knoppix? |
| 05:58.22 | JimButton | helix: why is the sources.list of knoppix fucked up? |
| 05:58.27 | marcm | Jordi_ lets think logic: I install fedora, ok, cool. In april fedora core 2 comes out, noone cares about supporting fedora core 1 anymore. upgrading distros is not so cool, because they are not backward compatible, so I end up with a borked fedora considerig the fact that I've installed 3rd party apps from repos and other stuff |
| 05:58.31 | zeke | if there are no modules to choose from when i load modconf, is that a bad thing? |
| 05:58.41 | JimButton | zeke: depends |
| 05:58.44 | helix | JimButton: well, the one i saw had.. i dunno, at *least* 12 different sources and was pulling packages from all over the place |
| 05:58.46 | Jordi_ | marcm: But then again, neither is any of the other branches of debian besides stable. |
| 05:58.48 | zeeble | helix dunno about knoppix's sources, but mepis has a list for unstable's tree |
| 05:58.53 | kawfee | helix: did you mess up your sources.list? |
| 05:58.56 | marcm | zeeble how difficult is it to get allong with unstable? |
| 05:59.03 | avion | Xandros |
| 05:59.03 | helix | kawfee: my sources.list is just fine kthx |
| 05:59.14 | JimButton | helix: i never used knoppix, but if it is 12 reliable repositories, why not? :) |
| 05:59.14 | zeke | JimButton: i'm chrooted into another hard drive trying to get it set up for use when i switch over to it for good |
| 05:59.15 | Jordi_ | marcm: That's why I say Fedora is not an option for production. |
| 05:59.18 | zeke | however |
| 05:59.19 | vividan | zeke: I don't use modconf... all my kernel stuff is stock from kernel.org and I add modules to /etc/modules manualy |
| 05:59.29 | zeeble | marcm depends. mine is fine. and all of us have different tolerance levels and comfort levels for packages |
| 05:59.29 | kawfee | helix: what's wrong with knoppix's ? |
| 05:59.33 | Jordi_ | marcm: But Redhat, however, works fine. You pay the price, though. |
| 05:59.36 | helix | it's too.. busy |
| 05:59.37 | zeke | vividan: i would, but i haven't time to learn that right now |
| 05:59.40 | helix | and i think it uses pinning |
| 06:00.13 | marcm | Jordi_ RHEL 3 WS has missing packages, its basicly a platform for 3rd party commercial apps (read redhat's partners) |
| 06:00.13 | zeke | JimButton: when would it be bad? |
| 06:00.19 | helix | JimButton: how many sources are in your sources.list? |
| 06:00.27 | helix | i think i have maybe 5.. |
| 06:00.46 | kawfee | !info afterstep |
| 06:00.48 | dpkg | afterstep: (A window manager with the NEXTSTEP look and feel), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.8.11-12 (sid), Packaged size: 1235 kB, Installed size: 4916 kB |
| 06:00.48 | marcm | Jordi_ I would use slackware, but it has to few packages and its a pain somethimes to install stuff like gnucash on it |
| 06:00.49 | Jordi_ | marcm: It seems to me that, with such a small and easy to control lab, you're better off with woody and backports for stuff that you require newer versions. |
| 06:00.58 | JimButton | helix: basically only security.debian.org, and in my chroot it is only a debian.org mirror |
| 06:00.59 | vividan | zeke: each line of /etc/modules should be the name of the modules (filename minus the .o) |
| 06:01.16 | helix | JimButton: oh ok. |
| 06:01.45 | marcm | Jordi_ where can I find a list of available backports? |
| 06:01.57 | tempo | how do i get to the content of my installation cd that is located on the /dev/hda1 partition. i finished installing debian but i want to add all the pkgs. i don't have internet connection. i would like to add those pkgs so i can use my wireless card. |
| 06:02.05 | JimButton | helix: i usually build my own packages if they are not in woody |
| 06:02.11 | marcm | Jordi_ and one more thing, what do you use? |
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| 06:02.23 | tempo | i reached the apt-setup stage after installing the debian (woody bf2.4) |
| 06:02.28 | Jordi_ | marcm: I'm not that sure, it's been a while since I use Debian. But even if you don't find the ones you need, it is not that tough to do them yourself for the most simple packages. |
| 06:02.32 | zeke | vividan: would a debootstrapped system come with the modules for loading, or not? |
| 06:02.45 | JimButton | zeke: well, if you have module support in your kernel and some modules compiled, they should show up |
| 06:02.56 | marcm | Jordi_ what distro do you use then? |
| 06:02.56 | exobyte | if I want to send a file to a remote host (with resuming), what would be the best way? |
| 06:03.06 | Jordi_ | marcm: I've sold my soul to the devil, I bought an iBook. But production machines at work are plain woody. |
| 06:03.16 | rdancer | tempo: apt-cdrom |
| 06:03.21 | vividan | zeke: are you running the kernel you're trying to use modconf for? |
| 06:03.27 | JimButton | Jordi_: iBooks rock! :) |
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| 06:03.38 | zeke | vividan: yes |
| 06:03.39 | Jordi_ | exobyte: ftp? |
| 06:03.48 | marcm | Jordi_ no more linux? |
| 06:03.56 | marcm | Jordi_ I mean @ home |
| 06:04.03 | JimButton | iBooks run linux just fine |
| 06:04.06 | vividan | zeke: k, whats 'debootstrapped system'? do you mean the standard debian kernel? |
| 06:04.16 | helix | i want a laptop :( |
| 06:04.17 | Jordi_ | marcm: Servers, and a desktop at work. Oh, at home, there's the router, and the fileserver. :) |
| 06:04.21 | helix | and ibooks are so cute |
| 06:04.21 | nk__ | if i installed lirc with apt-get, do I have to compile the kernel new or somethign? or is it done by the installation? i always got problems with those questions... maybe i should install from source |
| 06:04.23 | JimButton | Hydroxide: me too |
| 06:04.32 | Hydroxide | JimButton: copycat ;-) |
| 06:04.36 | JimButton | actually, i have no MacOS on it anymore |
| 06:04.38 | nk__ | ibooks rule helix! though they're expensive... |
| 06:04.45 | helix | they're cute |
| 06:04.49 | zeeble | helix powerbook 17 inch, with dvd burner |
| 06:04.52 | jp- | ibooks aren't so bad, the powerbooks are expensive |
| 06:04.54 | Hydroxide | JimButton: I have OS X as well, although I've gotten rid of OS 9 thankfully |
| 06:04.54 | Jordi_ | JimButton: I know, I did run Debian on it at the beginning. Eventually the type of work I do made it more logical to just use OSX. |
| 06:04.58 | helix | zeeble: i'm poor |
| 06:05.04 | zeeble | helix me too |
| 06:05.07 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:05.10 | helix | ibooks are the plastic looking ones right? |
| 06:05.15 | marcm | Jordi_ crossover and winex are built on woody as far as I know, and ATI develops its drivers nova days on debian unstable since redhat has shutdown Red Hat Linux |
| 06:05.15 | zeeble | yeah |
| 06:05.16 | JimButton | Hydroxide: i had OS X.0 or such, it was damn slow |
| 06:05.21 | nk__ | ibooks are the silver-ones |
| 06:05.27 | helix | do they have them with pink? |
| 06:05.33 | tempo | rdancer, i have a pcmcia cdrom. how do i mount it? |
| 06:05.33 | nk__ | hm... never seen those |
| 06:05.36 | marcm | Jordi_ that is why a debian based distro, or even debian is appealing to me:) |
| 06:05.51 | jp- | ibooks have had many physical appearances |
| 06:05.52 | Jordi_ | marcm: I see ... |
| 06:06.02 | helix | i want one of the white ones with colors |
| 06:06.04 | rdancer | tempo: dunno |
| 06:06.08 | JimButton | Hydroxide: and then i would have had to pay for the upgrade at some point, which i did not see any point in, so i just erased MacOS here to make more space for linux :) |
| 06:06.16 | marcm | Jordi_ the comunity is large, many people have interest in it |
| 06:06.22 | Hydroxide | JimButton: version 10.3 is quite a lot better than 10.0 in that regard ... quite a lot of the improvement in the last major release was actually performance improvement, which is refreshing. similar things were true for previous major releases after 10.0 |
| 06:06.40 | marcm | Jordi_ it seems to me that many think that debian is the best thing since sliced bread |
| 06:06.44 | GhostDawg | JimButton: what linux you run on Ibook? |
| 06:06.55 | Jordi_ | marcm: It all depends on what you'll be doing man, you're call. At least you're very well informed. Remember, best tool for the job. |
| 06:06.57 | JimButton | GhostDawg: guess |
| 06:06.58 | Hydroxide | GhostDawg: I'm sure he and I both run Debian, which runs fine there |
| 06:07.03 | GhostDawg | oops, Debian |
| 06:07.06 | JimButton | GhostDawg: :) |
| 06:07.09 | ezra | hi can anyone help me, i'm reading http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/postfix-config.html and where it says "The next step is to tell postfix how to find the saslauthd socket:" and then says to do commands "mv /var/run/sasl2 /var/run/sasl2-old |
| 06:07.15 | GhostDawg | doh |
| 06:07.17 | marcm | Jordi_ I've tested Fedora to be honest, and its rock solid, meaning its stable, but what will I do in 3 moths with it? |
| 06:07.25 | ezra | i don't have that path /var/run/sasl2 |
| 06:07.25 | GhostDawg | good ole debian |
| 06:07.28 | Jordi_ | marcm: I know ... |
| 06:07.28 | rdancer | tempo: whatabbout mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1? |
| 06:07.36 | JimButton | Hydroxide: problem is also that a new MacOS install would erase my linux partitions |
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| 06:07.47 | gravity | marcm: What do you mean? |
| 06:07.50 | Jordi_ | marcm: I have no third party apps, so I *could* run it, but I'm too damn used to woody. :D |
| 06:07.51 | JimButton | Hydroxide: and i don't really feel like reinstalling everything |
| 06:08.00 | Hydroxide | everything works on my Linux iBook except the internal modem and microphone, including the airport card |
| 06:08.01 | ezra | helix: i'm trying to do it with mysql though, shouldn't i use pwcheck instead of saslauthd? |
| 06:08.19 | JimButton | Hydroxide: i have an old iBook, the modem works |
| 06:08.20 | rdancer | JimButton: erase?? |
| 06:08.21 | Hydroxide | JimButton: yeah, I just might, even now, because it would give me occasion to play with fixing my port of pgi to powerpc |
| 06:08.27 | JimButton | rdancer: yes, erase |
| 06:08.32 | JimButton | rdancer: like, delete |
| 06:08.35 | Jordi_ | Hydroxide: I remember the mic working. Funny. |
| 06:08.37 | helix | gravity: why? |
| 06:08.48 | Hydroxide | JimButton: ah, mine was shortly after they changed to software modems (and shortly before they changed from rage128 to radeon, damnit) |
| 06:08.50 | helix | ezra: i don't know anything about it.. |
| 06:08.51 | rdancer | JimButton: no way to tell the installer not to? |
| 06:08.52 | gravity | helix: They're a new competitor on the field. I want to know how the stack up |
| 06:08.54 | GhostDawg | I put Deb on my 233mhz ibm thinkpad |
| 06:09.00 | JimButton | rdancer: apparently not |
| 06:09.03 | marcm | Jordi_ best tool for the job, eh, well I've quit using windows because of the damn virii, pop-ups, and what not... I've been writing viris myself when I was in high-school, and I did some software dev in windows, but I then begun to hate it. |
| 06:09.32 | JimButton | rdancer: apple doesn't really cooperate with other OSes on the same hard disc, be it linux or NetBSD |
| 06:09.32 | Jordi_ | marcm: Ok, best tool for the job. Windows it not a tool. :) |
| 06:09.33 | maher | marcm: why don't you just use debian stable |
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| 06:09.41 | marcm | Jordi_ first I loved how easy it was to develop some apps, but then when you try to make some complicated stuff, there is no real documentation, and yes MSDN sux |
| 06:09.57 | rdancer | JimButton: then make a backup image, or mask the linux partition as some data partition? |
| 06:10.01 | tempo | rdancer, good idea. where are the apt source on the installation disk? debian/? |
| 06:10.06 | rdancer | JimButton: like backup image in a file |
| 06:10.08 | Jordi_ | marcm: I couldn't tell you, I've never really used Windows for real. :) |
| 06:10.18 | chance2105 | I need to make a rescue disk for my system. Where can I get a floppy image to burn? |
| 06:10.24 | rdancer | tempo: apt-cdrom, as I told you |
| 06:10.27 | JimButton | rdancer: backup would work, of course, but still, where do i backup it? |
| 06:10.33 | chance2105 | Short of the Debian CD .. I don't have them. |
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| 06:10.38 | JimButton | rdancer: ok, right now i have an iPod, i could backup it there |
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| 06:10.45 | helix | gravity: why do you think fedora is technically any different than RH? |
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| 06:11.08 | bishopdon-away | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.08 | JimButton | rdancer: still, too much work, and then also i would have to pay for MacOS 10.3, or get it illegally... |
| 06:11.09 | Hydroxide | JimButton: why, of course, on one of those LaCie US$1199 1TB external hard drives :-) |
| 06:11.13 | zeeble | chance2105 http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 06:11.13 | gravity | helix: No, but people are percieving it differently. I'm curious as to how it is. |
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| 06:11.30 | rdancer | JimButton: have a file, say thegreatmovie.mpg. dd if=/dev/linux of=thegreatmovie.mpg :-) |
| 06:11.36 | marcm | Jordi_ I know even that WinNT was developed buy someone else and bought by MS, and heck, its technology from 10 years ago that powers XP. The OS is layered and has no real kernel whatsoever |
| 06:11.39 | Jordi_ | helix: (joining in) well, they don't have people doing as much testing on it as RH does, right? And they have more freedom to just go ahead and try new things. |
| 06:11.42 | rdancer | JimButton: MacOS surely won't delete your old movies ;) |
| 06:11.45 | helix | gravity: i dunno. it reminds me of regifting |
| 06:11.50 | JimButton | Hydroxide: can i give you my account and routing number, so you just send me $1200 by money order :) |
| 06:11.51 | DeadManWalking | i have a nvidia driver working fine, but my kernel has no sound support and ill have to re-compile it. Can i re-compile ir and run the nvidia driver installer again, or i have to do something before that ? |
| 06:11.55 | tempo | rdancer, when i type apt-cdrom add i get the msg using cdrom mount point /cdrom/.. and then unmounting cdrom for some reason |
| 06:12.00 | gravity | helix: What do you mean? |
| 06:12.05 | chance2105 | zeeble: Thanks |
| 06:12.07 | JimButton | rdancer: yes, it will |
| 06:12.08 | helix | gravity: like the same old shit in a new box |
| 06:12.12 | gravity | Haha |
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| 06:12.14 | gravity | helix: Probably true |
| 06:12.18 | Hydroxide | JimButton: hehehe :-) Panther is $69 at the academic price |
| 06:12.30 | gravity | helix: Still, I am worried about losing users and developers to them |
| 06:12.34 | marcm | Jordi_ anyway, I'm on backports.org, I can't find a list of available ports there:((( |
| 06:12.37 | rdancer | JimButton: shh... can't believe this: how then the macpeople save their old work? |
| 06:12.46 | Erik2_ | I need help to activate pcmcia-cs please.. |
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| 06:13.00 | JimButton | rdancer: i don't know, mac people are strange |
| 06:13.09 | rdancer | tempo: you told us the cdrom is /dev/hda1, right? |
| 06:13.09 | prologic | What's the user file that you can edit to run programs upon logging into X ? |
| 06:13.10 | helix | gravity: i understand.. but i guess i think your energy, as a developer, is better spent.. developing, not investigating |
| 06:13.12 | Jordi_ | JimButton: :P |
| 06:13.22 | vividan | rdancer: thats assuming they work ;) |
| 06:13.29 | JimButton | rdancer: they celebrated MacOS 9, which did not have usable multi-tasking, and hat pathetic networking performance |
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| 06:13.31 | rdancer | JimButton: there has to be a way to preserve a _file_ over system upgrade/install |
| 06:13.55 | tempo | rdancer, nope. the other partition that has the installation cd copied to is located on /dev/hda1 |
| 06:13.57 | JimButton | rdancer: well, i would not be so sure :) |
| 06:14.06 | rdancer | vividan: I saw one macman yesterday; actualy a man w/2 maces |
| 06:14.11 | gravity | helix: I agree somewhat, but it's important to know what's going on and what the users really want. |
| 06:14.13 | rdancer | s/maces/macs/ |
| 06:14.16 | helix | gravity: on the other hand, investigating doesn't take too long, probably |
| 06:14.18 | Jordi_ | rdancer: From OS X to OS X? Sure there is. :P |
| 06:14.27 | helix | gravity: so i do see where you're coming from - i'm glad you're concerned |
| 06:14.30 | gravity | helix: I usually just ask people in here and read /. |
| 06:14.33 | helix | yeah |
| 06:14.34 | rdancer | JimButton: but the UI ;_) |
| 06:14.34 | cafuego | JimButton: on the other hand, MacOS 9, was avery very good OS. |
| 06:14.38 | gravity | helix: It doesn't take much more time that way :-) |
| 06:14.42 | tempo | rdancer, i was about to mount it. but then using apt-setup i could not point to the right location of the pkgs on my /dev/hda1 partition? |
| 06:14.46 | helix | gravity: what am i saying anyways.. you waste a lot of time talking to me :) |
| 06:14.50 | JimButton | cafuego: i don't think so :) |
| 06:14.54 | vividan | rdancer: heh, I'm ON a mac running debian right now |
| 06:14.58 | rdancer | Jordi_: OS XI ;) |
| 06:15.03 | JimButton | cafuego: maybe better than windows 3.11, but hey... |
| 06:15.03 | kawfee | where are libs, libXpm and libpng ? |
| 06:15.05 | GhostDawg | Erik2_: this may help you get started, http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:15.06 | cafuego | JimButton: You perhaps require it to do things it wasn't designed to do. |
| 06:15.10 | gravity | helix: Of course :-) |
| 06:15.10 | kawfee | !info libXpm |
| 06:15.18 | Jordi_ | rdancer: OS X version 2, OS X version 3 ... |
| 06:15.20 | Jordi_ | :P |
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| 06:15.25 | gravity | helix: But I do all this for fun, and talking to you definitely qualifies there too |
| 06:15.29 | GhostDawg | Sid Vicious |
| 06:15.35 | GhostDawg | :o) |
| 06:15.35 | JimButton | cafuego: like downloading something from the net, and at the same time running iTunes? :) |
| 06:15.38 | the1 | cafuego: os9...uggh can't execute files because it couldn't find what program made......i need attributes and permissions! |
| 06:15.41 | helix | ~hiabmj |
| 06:15.46 | cafuego | JimButton: It does that just fine. |
| 06:15.50 | helix | hm |
| 06:15.53 | Erik2_ | GhostDawg: I was already there... and not helpful for me :( |
| 06:15.54 | helix | !hiabmj |
| 06:15.54 | dpkg | helix is a bad mamma jamma |
| 06:15.55 | JimButton | cafuego: it always skipped here |
| 06:15.58 | rdancer | Jordi_: strange... |
| 06:15.58 | helix | oh ok |
| 06:16.10 | cafuego | JimButton: wtf sort of mac did you run it on then? |
| 06:16.12 | GhostDawg | what is the problem, Erik2_ |
| 06:16.14 | kawfee | what's the name of the X development package? |
| 06:16.17 | JimButton | cafuego: but someone said that was a problem with the first versions of iTunes |
| 06:16.22 | JimButton | cafuego: iBook2 |
| 06:16.26 | vividan | kawfee: xcode |
| 06:16.29 | GhostDawg | I don't know that stuff but may can offer something |
| 06:16.30 | prologic | kawfee, apt-cache search libx dev |
| 06:16.33 | cafuego | JimButton: neither the G3/233 nor the G3/350 have any problems with it here. |
| 06:16.43 | vividan | kawfee: oops, thought you ment OSX (everyone is talking about it here) |
| 06:16.48 | Jordi_ | marcm: There's http://apt-get.org/ |
| 06:16.58 | GhostDawg | where is bob2 |
| 06:17.02 | JimButton | cafuego: i think Mac OS X is a decent OS, especially if apple has now fixed some of the perfomance issues with the first versions |
| 06:17.03 | rdancer | tempo: you should be able to tell apt to use the partition, for the pcmcia setup, dunno ;( |
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| 06:17.05 | GhostDawg | he say put this in #mac |
| 06:17.05 | marcm | Jordi_ where can I find a list of backported packages on backports.org??? |
| 06:17.07 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 06:17.14 | bob2 | GhostDawg: on holiday in Jamaica |
| 06:17.15 | Motoko | hello |
| 06:17.16 | Jordi_ | marcm: There's http://apt-get.org/ |
| 06:17.17 | cafuego | did those wankers at nasa break their rover or something? No new pics for days now. |
| 06:17.18 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 06:17.29 | TDT | lol watch it have tipped over |
| 06:17.37 | Jordi_ | God, I've corrupted the channel. I shouldn't have said Mac OS X. :))) |
| 06:17.37 | kawfee | vividan: huh? |
| 06:17.40 | TDT | a few million dollars down the hole |
| 06:17.41 | marcm | Jordi_ its the same with backports.org? |
| 06:17.41 | GhostDawg | no pictures, wow |
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| 06:17.48 | GhostDawg | what has happen, its been qiet wit rover |
| 06:17.50 | JimButton | cafuego: and we also tested some FTP program for MacOS 9, it had about 1/10th of the speed of linux or MacOS X |
| 06:17.51 | cafuego | JimButton: yeah, i played with that on a 2x1.6GHz G4 box a while back, works & runs fine. |
| 06:17.51 | Jordi_ | marcm: I don't think so. |
| 06:17.57 | zeke | where can i retrieve basedebs.tar from? |
| 06:18.02 | gravity | W00t! cryptoloop on usb stick! |
| 06:18.02 | the1 | cafuego: if the the rover runs Xp embedded...maybe it did break |
| 06:18.05 | vividan | kawfee: exactly, don't listen to me :) |
| 06:18.10 | cafuego | JimButton: anarchie runs at full speed here |
| 06:18.17 | kawfee | vividan: huh? |
| 06:18.18 | marcm | Jordi_ doesn't backports.org provide any list? |
| 06:18.20 | cafuego | the1: it runs java |
| 06:18.26 | JimButton | cafuego: hmmm, maybe we had the wrong FTP client, can't remember the name |
| 06:18.43 | Jordi_ | marcm: I don't know. Didn't even know that site. Same thing with apt-get.org, just found it. |
| 06:18.44 | the1 | cafuego: java wasn't an OS last time I checked |
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| 06:18.53 | vividan | kawfee: I gave you bad advice |
| 06:18.56 | cafuego | the1: Maybe you ought to check again, then./ |
| 06:19.00 | vividan | kawfee: so don't listen to it |
| 06:19.06 | JimButton | java is a disease |
| 06:19.06 | Erik2_ | GhostDawg: pcmcia-cs module is compiled. I have only 2 dep in error... serial_cb serial_cs ... but anyway, it is installed... now, don't know how to configure or start pcmcia.. |
| 06:19.11 | marcm | Jordi_ are you saying that you use gnome 1.4 on your woody desktop? |
| 06:19.15 | Jordi_ | cafuego: Yep. Java is not an os. Is it a hardware JVM? |
| 06:19.36 | kawfee | Jordi_: soft |
| 06:19.42 | JimButton | licenses of everything around java tend to suck |
| 06:19.49 | kawfee | Jordi_: it's a virtual machine |
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| 06:19.54 | JimButton | and performance is usually terrible |
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| 06:20.00 | kawfee | JimButton: wrong |
| 06:20.01 | Jordi_ | marcm: At work, hell no. There's a woody machine in my cube just for running impromptu services, no GUI. |
| 06:20.05 | rdancer | how do I erase the last char typed in uml xterm console? |
| 06:20.07 | kawfee | JimButton: JIT it pretty good. |
| 06:20.19 | JimButton | kawfee: what is JIT? |
| 06:20.26 | kawfee | Just In Time |
| 06:20.27 | Jordi_ | kawfee: I meant on the rover. ;) |
| 06:20.32 | snoke- | how i connect vnc server current running X server, not start new x ? |
| 06:20.32 | karsten | How can I copy a text file to the X clipboard? |
| 06:20.43 | marcm | Jordi_ you said you have woody on desktop |
| 06:20.44 | kawfee | Jordi_: java isn't used for real time apps. |
| 06:20.44 | karsten | snoke-: You don't. |
| 06:20.45 | JimButton | kawfee: is that free software or some Sun crap license? |
| 06:20.51 | cafuego | the1: http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9605/sunflash.960529.11819.html |
| 06:20.58 | amino_ | wow. this is a fast paced help channel |
| 06:20.58 | Jordi_ | marcm: Desktop meaning it's on my desk. :D |
| 06:20.58 | The_Vulture | JimButton: define "crap" |
| 06:20.59 | kawfee | JimButton: ? |
| 06:21.00 | karsten | snoke-: You have to run your X session on a VNC server instance. |
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| 06:21.05 | Erik2_ | GhostDawg: I mean unresolved symbol I think, something like that for serial_cb and serial_cs... Maybe pcmcia can start without it... but I don't know how to start... etc. |
| 06:21.07 | karsten | amino_: Yep. |
| 06:21.10 | JimButton | the1: -O3 is usually slower than -O2 or -Os :) |
| 06:21.10 | kawfee | JimButton: what are you talking about, JIT compile is a term |
| 06:21.12 | vividan | amino_: welcome :) |
| 06:21.20 | marcm | Jordi_ no GUI for the desktop? |
| 06:21.31 | amino_ | how much are you guys getting paid per minute? |
| 06:21.31 | kawfee | JimButton: duh, with -O3 the compiler has to do many more optimizations |
| 06:21.35 | JimButton | kawfee: which java compiler/interpreter are you talking about? |
| 06:21.38 | gravity | heh |
| 06:21.39 | The_Vulture | JimButton: JIT: Just In Time [Compilation] is implemented by many JVMs, caching of frequently run chunks of bytecode as machine code |
| 06:21.42 | vividan | amino_: $0 |
| 06:21.43 | snoke- | karsten: there is no way access running x server ? |
| 06:21.44 | kawfee | JimButton: any of them that support JIT |
| 06:21.47 | marcm | Jordi_ fricky:) |
| 06:21.49 | JimButton | kawfee: usually it results in slower code with -O3 |
| 06:21.52 | Jordi_ | marcm: No, it not my primary desktop, is just there to test the Linux stuff before moving onto production. Most of the time I'm on the iBook. |
| 06:21.56 | kawfee | JimButton: it shouldn't |
| 06:21.57 | GhostDawg | Erik2_: did you check this page, http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.4 |
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| 06:22.03 | JimButton | kawfee: do some benchmarks |
| 06:22.07 | karsten | snoke-: You can't move your existing X sesison to a VNC instance. No. |
| 06:22.14 | GhostDawg | its about startup options |
| 06:22.20 | The_Vulture | JimButton: I've seen several that negate that point, which ones are you reading? |
| 06:22.24 | marcm | Jordi_ what did you use before the iBook? |
| 06:22.24 | kawfee | JimButton: I really don't care. If you are the programmer you should know when and when not to use the compiler optimizations. GO read a book. |
| 06:22.36 | JimButton | kawfee: ? |
| 06:22.42 | karsten | snoke-: There are configurations for setting up your X session to run on VNC, or to use 'xmove' to move specific clients. |
| 06:22.43 | Jordi_ | marcm: Unstable. But I had no one to support, just me. |
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| 06:22.46 | The_Vulture | and there are other concerns than pure runtime speed anywya |
| 06:22.54 | Jordi_ | marcm: On a pIII laptop. |
| 06:23.04 | gravity | The_Vulture: Amen brother! |
| 06:23.07 | JimButton | kawfee: which book should i read? |
| 06:23.33 | Jordi_ | JimButton: GCC optimizations for dummies? |
| 06:23.35 | kawfee | JimButton: all of them |
| 06:23.39 | Jordi_ | JimButton: Just kidding. :) |
| 06:23.44 | The_Vulture | if pure runtime speed was the only concern, we'd all be running apps written in finely tuned assembly that took many eons to write.. and/or gentoo-esque systems |
| 06:23.45 | Erik2_ | GhostDawg ARGHragrggrgrgrgrggrgrgrgr I use the debian way of compiling... and make-kpkg and dpkg -i .deb |
| 06:23.53 | gravity | "Arrogant Programming in 21 Days" |
| 06:23.53 | marcm | Jordi_ is unstable hard to deal with. let me put it this way: I install unstable now, in 2 weeks I wanna install a new package wich has 10 other deps and so on, how will it work , because in 2 weeks stuff changes in unstable |
| 06:23.56 | marcm | ? |
| 06:24.07 | kawfee | cafuego: did you let all these people in here? |
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| 06:24.11 | JimButton | kawfee: all of which?\ |
| 06:24.13 | The_Vulture | marcm: you should be updating your system more often than that if you are using unstable most likely |
| 06:24.19 | Jordi_ | marcm: I used to upgrade daily. :) |
| 06:24.33 | kawfee | JimButton: all of them. |
| 06:24.33 | cafuego | kro: kawfee no, only the bots. |
| 06:24.38 | JimButton | kawfee: you seem to have no clue, moron |
| 06:24.47 | GhostDawg | Erik2_: Ok, well I just thought it may give you some ideas, sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 06:24.47 | kawfee | JimButton: you are a certifiable idiot. |
| 06:25.00 | cafuego | kawfee/JimButton: /ignore |
| 06:25.03 | marcm | Jordi_ I could be on the road with my laptop for weeks.... |
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| 06:25.06 | JimButton | kawfee: name one book |
| 06:25.07 | amino_ | kawfee: youre very offensive |
| 06:25.07 | GhostDawg | all these guys talking bout ibook, maybe some use an PC notebook |
| 06:25.10 | gravity | JimButton: You're coming to realize what we've apparently been aware of for a while now :-) |
| 06:25.10 | GhostDawg | :) |
| 06:25.12 | The_Vulture | JimButton: name one benchmark |
| 06:25.16 | The_Vulture | (or link to one) |
| 06:25.25 | marcm | Jordi_ so unstable is out of the question for my laptop then |
| 06:25.25 | kawfee | JimButton: you need to learn how to use your applications. |
| 06:25.29 | cafuego | GhostDawg: And other use a pre-iBook mac. |
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| 06:25.36 | Jordi_ | marcm: But do you really have all that many third party apps? |
| 06:25.45 | zeeble | marcm i run unstable on my laptop |
| 06:26.00 | amino_ | kawfee: why dont you either learn how to be nicer, or stay the fuck away from people that seem to annoy you? |
| 06:26.02 | JimButton | kawfee: have you actually been programming things or are you just talking out of your ass? |
| 06:26.02 | Jordi_ | marcm: Or do you need anything beyond the new Gnome to be ultra new on *your* laptop? |
| 06:26.05 | GhostDawg | cafuego: what's a pre-ibook? |
| 06:26.12 | marcm | Jordi_ not really, I ment 3rd party for fedora, the only thing 3rd party is crossover and winex |
| 06:26.15 | esop | an hbook? |
| 06:26.19 | cafuego | amino_: Yes, right back at you too. |
| 06:26.24 | The_Vulture | JimButton: give one example of one of these benchmarks, since you made the original claim.. |
| 06:26.31 | JimButton | The_Vulture: ok, i have to google now, don't have any handy, wait |
| 06:26.35 | amino_ | cafuego: amen :) |
| 06:26.41 | cafuego | GhostDawg: Wallstreet/Lombard G3's for instance. or maybe even a Powerbook 170! |
| 06:26.41 | marcm | Jordi_ I do html , so I use bluefish, quanta and such, and C |
| 06:26.51 | gen` | i have a question regarding locales (i believe), how would i go about changing my locale the proper way so that my terminals and such will display the specific locale's characters.. right now i've used localeconf, and just run dpkg-reconfigure on it to change the locale.. but is this how i should go about doing it? |
| 06:26.53 | Jordi_ | marcm: Run testing on the laptop then. And upgrade carefully. Or woody with a backported Gnome. |
| 06:26.55 | GhostDawg | ok, thnx |
| 06:27.02 | helix | i miss dreamweaver |
| 06:27.04 | gravity | marcm: How do you like quanta? I haven't had a chance to really use it yet. |
| 06:27.09 | gravity | helix: :-( |
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| 06:27.15 | helix | gravity: :( |
| 06:27.27 | helix | i liked quanta.. except for the qt |
| 06:27.28 | helix | BLEH |
| 06:27.38 | gravity | Bluefish is Ok. I don't love it by any means |
| 06:27.39 | protoloco | Hey, i just seen that there are twoo advisorys of mremap, why ? are there a new bug of mremap ???? check in isec.pl .. there are two advisorys .. is fixed i the kernel of debian ?? |
| 06:27.40 | zeeble | bluefish! |
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| 06:27.44 | kawfee | JimButton: I have developed over the last 5-6 years. |
| 06:27.51 | Jordi_ | helix: I tried using dreamweaver once, I found it to be even more difficult to writing the code manually! |
| 06:27.52 | floppyears | does lirc work in kernel 2.6 |
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| 06:27.56 | marcm | gravity its nice:) gets the job donne....heck, I could write html even in gedit |
| 06:28.00 | floppyears | I mean is there support for it |
| 06:28.10 | kawfee | JimButton: I know that -O3 should be used sometimes and others it shouldn't. Sometimes, you even get code that doens't work. |
| 06:28.14 | helix | Jordi_: that's how things are when you first try them.. |
| 06:28.17 | marcm | Jordi_ I think I should get something like xandros for my lappy:) |
| 06:28.17 | gravity | marcm: Cool |
| 06:28.21 | kawfee | JimButton: any competent person knows this. |
| 06:28.23 | helix | Jordi_: and dreamweaver may be overkill for you |
| 06:28.36 | kawfee | JimButton: you obviously don't know this, hence you are certifiable. |
| 06:28.38 | GhostDawg | marcm: what is your laptop type? |
| 06:28.39 | zeeble | marcm you're buying xandros for your mom/granmom anyway |
| 06:28.40 | Jordi_ | helix: I guess so. |
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| 06:28.49 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 06:28.57 | helix | Jordi_: i began writing by hand then had to use dreamweaver at my job.. |
| 06:28.57 | marcm | zeeble that is true:) |
| 06:28.59 | Jordi_ | helix: I guess I was just used to doing things the other way. |
| 06:29.00 | kawfee | helix: annoy JimButton for me |
| 06:29.02 | chant | What the hell is up with automake/conf/libtool ? |
| 06:29.04 | helix | it became easy to automate certain things |
| 06:29.05 | cafuego | kawfee: Any sane human uses -O6 *all* the time |
| 06:29.08 | chant | why wont any of my CVS' build? |
| 06:29.14 | helix | kawfee: no can do, he's a mathematician and they hold a special place in my heart |
| 06:29.14 | ezra | i've installed "cyrus-admin" with apt-get... how do i find where the files were put so i can put them in my web root? |
| 06:29.14 | kawfee | cafuego: right |
| 06:29.20 | JimButton | kawfee: we in debian have a default of -O2 for a reason |
| 06:29.20 | kawfee | helix: he is? |
| 06:29.22 | marcm | GhostDawg my lappy is linux compatible, its a Toshiba Satellite |
| 06:29.26 | marcm | 1135 |
| 06:29.26 | zeeble | marcm well, install it :) i intalled it on a friend's machine, its pretty spiffy |
| 06:29.31 | kawfee | JimButton: in debian? |
| 06:29.34 | helix | kawfee: yeah |
| 06:29.39 | kawfee | helix: oh really |
| 06:29.40 | helix | we have two mathematicians here |
| 06:29.42 | Jordi_ | helix: Automate things like what? |
| 06:29.47 | cafuego | helix: 3 |
| 06:29.51 | kawfee | JimButton: what kind of math do you do? |
| 06:29.53 | gravity | helix: Who's the other? |
| 06:29.56 | marcm | zeeble does it have to run as root? and how is speed? |
| 06:29.57 | cafuego | helix: (1+1+1=3) |
| 06:29.59 | helix | Jordi_: like.. let's say you need to change some links in every single page on a site |
| 06:30.03 | ezra | or is cryus-admin not the web-cyradm? |
| 06:30.04 | kawfee | ~calc 2+2 |
| 06:30.08 | JimButton | kawfee: complex analysis, why? |
| 06:30.09 | kawfee | ~2+2 |
| 06:30.13 | | extra, extra, read all about it, 2+2 is 5 for large values of 2, or 57, or slashdot math |
| 06:30.13 | helix | Jordi_: they have a search and replace function that kicks ass |
| 06:30.13 | tempo | rdancer, how do i define in apt-get for apt to go to /mnt/debian? |
| 06:30.14 | helix | gravity: maher is |
| 06:30.18 | kawfee | !sex+math |
| 06:30.18 | dpkg | i guess sex+math is sex is like math; add the bed; subtract the clothes; divide the legs; multiply the fun |
| 06:30.19 | gravity | helix: Ah, cool |
| 06:30.23 | zeeble | marcm why as root? no, its a normal linux distro which has been spruced up to look a bit like winXP |
| 06:30.23 | Jordi_ | helix: I see. |
| 06:30.29 | tempo | deb /mnt/debian? |
| 06:30.30 | GhostDawg | no, 1+1=3 |
| 06:30.33 | maher | gravity: guilty as charged.... |
| 06:30.34 | cafuego | ezra: dpkg -L |
| 06:30.40 | marcm | zeeble is it granny proof? |
| 06:30.42 | kawfee | JimButton: what kind of analysis? |
| 06:30.42 | gravity | maher: :-) |
| 06:30.51 | GhostDawg | mom+dad=baby |
| 06:30.52 | Jordi_ | helix: But that's just your editor, right? Is not like I use ed, or something. |
| 06:30.54 | zeeble | marcm yeah, think so. |
| 06:30.56 | helix | i like when maher and JimButton talk math to each other |
| 06:30.58 | maher | kawfee: its complex - you wouldn't understand.... |
| 06:31.00 | ezra | cafuego: pkg -l ? |
| 06:31.01 | Jordi_ | helix: Hell, even ed has search and replace. :D |
| 06:31.02 | marcm | zeeble don't compare it to winxp, cause winxp is not granny proof when it starts to run into trouble |
| 06:31.03 | kawfee | maher: try me. |
| 06:31.07 | helix | Jordi_: well i don't use dreamweaver anymore.. i use gvim |
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| 06:31.09 | ezra | cafuego: dpkg -l ? |
| 06:31.21 | JimButton | kawfee: complex analysis, that means the theory of holomorphic functions |
| 06:31.21 | ezra | oh nm |
| 06:31.22 | zeeble | marcm well, it looks like WinXP, has automatic update, etc etc |
| 06:31.22 | helix | Jordi_: but for a big site with a lot of static pages, it was really easy to change some things.. |
| 06:31.24 | maher | kawfee: that was a joke - JimButton does complex analysis |
| 06:31.24 | gravity | gvim is goodness |
| 06:31.25 | Jordi_ | helix: I know, you said you missed it. |
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| 06:31.28 | rdancer | tempo: fstab, or, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d; look at the docs for actual syntax. it's very powerful, when you go thru the beginnings, however |
| 06:31.32 | helix | Jordi_: oh ok :) |
| 06:31.32 | tempo | i meant, how do i define in the /etc/apt/source.list that i want the source to be used on /mnt/debian? |
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| 06:31.46 | marcm | zeeble does it have gnome or just kde? |
| 06:31.47 | GhostDawg | I thought Xandros run as root also |
| 06:32.00 | mwilson | GhostDawg: No. |
| 06:32.06 | GhostDawg | ok' |
| 06:32.15 | Jordi_ | I've found the best granny proof distro to be Debian with a menu based shell, and no X. :) |
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| 06:32.19 | gravity | It's just Lindows that does that |
| 06:32.31 | gravity | Brain damaged, but then it is for Windows users, so there's a damn good reason |
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| 06:32.35 | GhostDawg | ok yeah Lindows I guess im thinking of |
| 06:32.37 | Jordi_ | My grandmother has not complained since. Granted, she has no other contact with computers whatsoever. |
| 06:32.40 | loudspeaker | gravity: Lindows runs in root? |
| 06:32.44 | helix | Jordi_: hmm.. that didn't work on my family members - they just unplugged the computer |
| 06:32.45 | gravity | loudspeaker: Yep |
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| 06:32.46 | kawfee | JimButton: nice. Do you believ that the poincare conjecture is valid? |
| 06:32.47 | helix | loudspeaker: yes |
| 06:32.52 | marcm | gravity always? |
| 06:32.58 | loudspeaker | What is the world coming too? |
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| 06:33.09 | JimButton | kawfee: apparently perelman has proved it now, but that is actually not complex analysis |
| 06:33.10 | gravity | marcm: Yep, last I heard (which was about a year ago when I talked to one of their devs) |
| 06:33.12 | zeeble | marcm am not sure. this one was running kde and had lots of gtk apps. you can install a LOT of stuff from their package repositories. |
| 06:33.22 | ezra | cafuego: does installing the package cyrus21-admin install Web-cyradm? |
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| 06:33.32 | salinsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.32 | GhostDawg | I read an article recently and they mention that the best new users right now for linux would be non computer users |
| 06:33.43 | GhostDawg | instead of trying to convert old windoze users |
| 06:33.52 | gravity | salinsky: It's a normal user. Some processes run as nobody |
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| 06:33.56 | marcm | zeeble then it must be cool:) |
| 06:34.02 | kawfee | JimButton: He did prove it? When did he receive the award? |
| 06:34.02 | Jordi_ | salinsky: Every Debian instalation has a nobody user, unless I'm overlooking something obvious. :D |
| 06:34.03 | marcm | zeeble what do you use? |
| 06:34.06 | cafuego | ezra: No, it's a 3rd party app afaik. |
| 06:34.08 | salinsky | what proceses ? |
| 06:34.09 | arauko_ | GhostDawg, ive always thought so |
| 06:34.15 | zeeble | marcm win2k pro. |
| 06:34.18 | Jordi_ | salinsky: processes that need minimal privileges. |
| 06:34.22 | JimButton | kawfee: not yet, i think it is not even published yet, only a preprint |
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| 06:34.26 | maher | kawfee: the experts say perelman's stuff works - i don't understand it myself |
| 06:34.30 | marcm | zeeble I've quit using windows a year ago |
| 06:34.33 | helix | <bob2> you'll never solve the Poincare Conjecture with an attitude like that! |
| 06:34.36 | salinsky | like what ? so i can stop them |
| 06:34.37 | gravity | Hahaha |
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| 06:34.41 | ezra | cafuego: you mean it's not free? |
| 06:34.42 | kawfee | JimButton: really? I see nothing about it on clay math |
| 06:34.45 | GhostDawg | arauko_: well I sometimes build computers for people and would put a bootleg copy of windows on it |
| 06:34.54 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:34.55 | GhostDawg | but now I'm going to start putting linux on it |
| 06:34.55 | zeeble | marcm servers run different oses. i am not really windows free, nor plan to be any time soon |
| 06:34.56 | ezra | cafuego: or you mean i just have to install it seperately |
| 06:35.03 | maher | kawfee: clay won't do anything for a few years anyway |
| 06:35.09 | salinsky | whats so funny ? |
| 06:35.35 | JimButton | kawfee: they need to have it published and checked by experts (which is reasonable, but will take some more time) |
| 06:35.40 | Jordi_ | salinsky: find is probably being run by update-db, or something like that. |
| 06:35.57 | Jordi_ | salinsky: Updating the database that the 'locate' command uses. |
| 06:36.00 | salinsky | whats that ? |
| 06:36.13 | salinsky | i dont need it |
| 06:36.22 | gravity | Hmm... that 2.6 bug in /topic has been fixed |
| 06:36.27 | mwilson | Does anyone else think this new portmap as mentioned on d-d is about the stupidest thing ever? |
| 06:36.29 | amino_ | salinsky:have you gone through a beginners book yet? |
| 06:36.30 | Jordi_ | salinsky: Anal retentive, uh? :) |
| 06:36.34 | marcm | zeeble I'm windows free because I plan to start a web development business and have no money to invest in software, buy licences for macromedia and such, and other than that I see no use for windows. Gimp is more painfull to use than photoshop but one can do cool things with gimp too, you just have to be creative |
| 06:36.39 | gravity | mwilson: Which thread? |
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| 06:37.03 | salinsky | Jordi_ you are sorry about that |
| 06:37.08 | Jordi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.21 | bbmj | is it recommended to or not to enable ide-scsi on dvd rom drives? |
| 06:37.22 | zeeble | marcm fine. you use what you feel is most productive for you. am still at uni, and some tools are proprietary win32. |
| 06:37.27 | Jordi_ | salinsky: No I'm not, I was kidding. |
| 06:37.35 | salinsky | go fuck ypou self |
| 06:37.37 | mwilson | Message-Id: <1074441958.4573.24.camel@arrakis.localnet> |
| 06:37.38 | ezra | cafuego: ah, that site web-cyradm.org messed me up, their link for what they claim is stable is down... but the link for 0.5.4-rc3 is up, which the HOWTO claims is stable as of 12-03-2003 |
| 06:37.38 | brunner | unless you run Internet Explorer with WINE.... |
| 06:37.44 | Jordi_ | salinsky: No to that either. :P |
| 06:37.46 | salinsky | i was kiding |
| 06:37.50 | wiak | howdo i mount a windows patision ? FAT32 ? and NTFS? :) |
| 06:37.54 | the1 | Is there a cross compile that runns on R4600 mips and produces 64bit code for the same platform that I can download, or do I have to roll my own? |
| 06:38.04 | mwilson | Another stupid Debian-ism. |
| 06:38.08 | marcm | Jordi_ I have crossover to test stuff in IE6.... |
| 06:38.09 | salinsky | go lear to speak |
| 06:38.11 | salinsky | creep |
| 06:38.12 | bob2 | the1: toolchain-source |
| 06:38.17 | gravity | salinsky: Calm down |
| 06:38.29 | Jordi_ | marcm: Oh, maybe that way. Don't forget 5 and 5.5. :) |
| 06:38.34 | zeeble | wiak man mount. |
| 06:38.36 | salinsky | IM CALM |
| 06:38.46 | maher | mwilson: i thought they fixed fam to work fine without portmap anyway? |
| 06:38.46 | gravity | salinsky: Calm down. Or go away. |
| 06:38.48 | bob2 | wiak: same way you mount regular partitions |
| 06:38.49 | mwilson | Fool thing is already compiled with libwrap, but no, let's not just actually bother to set up /etc/hosts.deny properly, let's add complexity to gods know how many other packages. |
| 06:39.02 | Jordi_ | I AM CALM!!! DO YOU HEAR ME?!?!?! I'M CAAAAAALM! |
| 06:39.04 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 06:39.09 | salinsky | why dont you ban Jordi_ idiot |
| 06:39.10 | wiak | bob2: mount dev? |
| 06:39.16 | wiak | just give me a line |
| 06:39.16 | wiak | ;) |
| 06:39.19 | bob2 | salinsky: stop it |
| 06:39.24 | bob2 | wiak: no |
| 06:39.26 | the1 | bob2: I'll look into it |
| 06:39.28 | marcm | Jordi_ it was hard to move away from windows, but I've managed to get used to linux, now 3 weeks ago I wanted to reinstall windows on my laptop, after install and toying with it for 30 minutes I've erased it. its just so crappy |
| 06:39.29 | bob2 | !+listvals uid |
| 06:39.30 | wufei | wiak; "-t vfat" for fat32 I believe |
| 06:39.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'uid' by value (15 shown; 205 total): freenode guidelines ;; social_contract_gl ;; beej ;; fakeroot ;; mg ;; rfc274 ;; x-remote ;; wizard ;; dancer ;; gvr ;; tippex ;; debreg ;; rfc1930 ;; getting started guide ;; CMD: shatter (.*?). |
| 06:39.32 | salinsky | tell that to Jordi_ |
| 06:39.37 | gravity | salinsky: Chill out. |
| 06:39.40 | salinsky | you fucking asshols |
| 06:39.42 | gravity | salinsky: He's doing nothing wrong. |
| 06:39.44 | bob2 | !+listvals windows |
| 06:39.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'windows' by value (15 shown; 258 total): annoy piggy #DEL# ;; mounting windows drives ;; monopoly ;; mac os ;; timetable ;; start ;; log file ;; gnu-op ;; win xp ;; graphics device interface ;; race ;; y ;; powertweak ;; xbill ;; small window manager. |
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| 06:39.56 | gravity | salinsky: Grow some skin |
| 06:40.02 | gravity | bob2: Thanks |
| 06:40.14 | ezra | you know something... when i know what i'm doing i really love debian ;) |
| 06:40.14 | helix | haha.. "chill the hell out" |
| 06:40.15 | marcm | Jordi_ windows is nothing without apps, and apps for windows are expensive |
| 06:40.15 | bob2 | wiak: /msg dpkg mounting windows drives |
| 06:40.20 | gravity | Fucking 10 year old sexual retards |
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| 06:40.29 | Jordi_ | marcm: Well, I meant you need Windows for the testing on IE. If you can do it on crossover (which I didn't know you could), then I guess you're fine. |
| 06:40.29 | amino_ | marcm: why dont you |
| 06:40.30 | zeeble | salinsky you're not doing any great swearing. i am not sure everyone here wants to know what is going on between you and someone else |
| 06:40.33 | helix | it's definitely sunday night.. |
| 06:40.34 | gravity | That came out weird, but it made more sense in my head :-P |
| 06:40.38 | gravity | helix: Yeah |
| 06:40.42 | arauko_ | marcm, widnows is a big appli itself |
| 06:40.46 | amino_ | marcm: why dont you 'pirate'? |
| 06:40.47 | arauko_ | marcm, not even an OS |
| 06:41.02 | arauko_ | amino_, that would be worse |
| 06:41.17 | salinsky | Jordi_ startesd it |
| 06:41.18 | arauko_ | why not using free software? |
| 06:41.22 | salinsky | go piss him off |
| 06:41.33 | salinsky | leave me alone you idiots |
| 06:41.35 | bob2 | salinsky: so end it, duh |
| 06:41.40 | bob2 | salinsky: stop being a baby. |
| 06:41.41 | marcm | amino_ why would I pirate? I'm in the US, so pirating is out of the question. this is not eastern europe where you can run Win2k3 on your server at your business location |
| 06:41.45 | bob2 | salinsky: if someone is bothering you, /ignore them |
| 06:41.45 | gravity | salinsky: Grow a thicker skin |
| 06:41.46 | ezra | salinsky: how are you today? |
| 06:41.48 | salinsky | i would if i had op |
| 06:41.55 | helix | haha |
| 06:41.57 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 06:41.57 | amino_ | arauko: I'm using free software. just not for publishing stuff that needs to go fluent |
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| 06:41.59 | gravity | Geez |
| 06:42.03 | bob2 | salinsky: if someone is bothering you, /ignore them |
| 06:42.16 | ezra | i prefer to just use /mentalignore :) |
| 06:42.23 | ezra | they may say something useful later hehe |
| 06:42.29 | gravity | ezra: :-) |
| 06:42.33 | salinsky | sure |
| 06:42.34 | arauko_ | amino_, theres good choices on free software of every m$ appli |
| 06:42.35 | zeeble | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.40 | ezra | my mind has become very adept at just taking what i need and leaving the rest on IRC |
| 06:42.42 | bob2 | salinsky: ok then, that was easy. |
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| 06:42.46 | marcm | amino_ adobe photoshop and macromedia flash would be the only things I need, but then again they run in crossover |
| 06:43.00 | salinsky | well mi mind dont work like that |
| 06:43.04 | ezra | salinsky: you come here for help or for drama? take what you came for, leave the rest |
| 06:43.08 | amino_ | marcm: crossover being (sorry)? |
| 06:43.09 | helix | does it work at all? |
| 06:43.13 | Jordi_ | salinsky, I didn't know you would get that pissed off at that, I just found funny the fact that you were like "kill it", "I don't need it". That's all. Geez. |
| 06:43.15 | ezra | haha helix |
| 06:43.56 | Jordi_ | marcm: So The GIMP is still not goot enough, even for web graphics? |
| 06:44.08 | helix | the gimp is pretty good.. |
| 06:44.12 | helix | i still hate the UI |
| 06:44.19 | gravity | helix: Even the new one? |
| 06:44.22 | salinsky | i hate stuff going on on my pc that im not ware of |
| 06:44.24 | tony | Jordi_ , the GIMP is great for just about anything |
| 06:44.24 | zeeble | Jordi_ gimp is not the same as Adobe PShop, for PShop users |
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| 06:44.33 | Jordi_ | helix: That's what I thought, but them again, I'm not in the know. :) |
| 06:44.34 | gravity | I really like the 1.3 UI |
| 06:44.48 | helix | gravity: it's just weird - it's a lot better than it used to be |
| 06:44.56 | marcm | Jordi_ the gimp is good enough, but stuff that takes 1 hour to do in gimp somethimes I could do in 10 minutes in photoshop |
| 06:44.59 | ezra | helix: i have PageMaker which i use for work running under Wine... it's not stable enough for me to use unfortunately :( but the thought is pretty cool |
| 06:45.03 | helix | i found myself trying to use photoshop, gimp style not too long ago |
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| 06:45.07 | Jordi_ | marcm: Jesus! |
| 06:45.08 | gravity | helix: Maybe it's because my photoshop experience isn't all that much |
| 06:45.15 | marcm | Jordi_ OS X graphics is donne in photoshop for instance |
| 06:45.16 | ezra | if i could only do all my work in linux and just toss the windows out completely *sigh* |
| 06:45.20 | gravity | helix: But I never loved photshop's UI either |
| 06:45.35 | marcm | Jordi_ I said only sometimes, like lightning effects |
| 06:45.43 | salinsky | paint shop pro is the best |
| 06:45.44 | Jordi_ | marcm: I know, that's what I use here (well, Elements), but I'm no web designer. |
| 06:45.49 | helix | gravity: it isn't so much about loving it.. but if you get used to something (especially something as complicated as image editing programs like that) it's hard to ever use anything else. |
| 06:46.02 | helix | gravity: i used to use photoshop a *lot* |
| 06:46.07 | gravity | helix: Yeah. That's my real impression of all the criticisms against gimp. |
| 06:46.07 | the1 | photoshop runs win, osX, and irix, right? |
| 06:46.10 | helix | and it took a while to really learn the ins and outs.. |
| 06:46.16 | the1 | but not linux? |
| 06:46.17 | gravity | helix: People bitch about it sucking, but never say why exactly |
| 06:46.25 | salinsky | paint shop pro is the best |
| 06:46.27 | helix | gravity: it doesn't suck.. not anymore at least |
| 06:46.27 | the1 | why wouldn't adobe port it? |
| 06:46.28 | arauko_ | i think one of the thing that the fsf community need to get better is the way to get to the people, its just a matter of time, but commercial software is doomed to fail against fre software in a 70% for the next coupe of years |
| 06:46.34 | helix | gravity: it's just.. not what people are used to |
| 06:46.39 | gravity | helix: The UI used to suck hardcore, but the new one made me actually like the app |
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| 06:46.43 | gravity | helix: Yeah |
| 06:46.46 | helix | gravity: if its UI mimicked photoshop more people would like it |
| 06:46.48 | marcm | Jordi_ photoshop has also some extra cool tools for image manipulation. but I have to start making money woth this, and then I can go ahead an buy a mac and do graphics:) |
| 06:46.53 | amino_ | gravity: the new one being 2.0? |
| 06:46.57 | gravity | helix: Yeah, but MDI... I shudder at it |
| 06:47.00 | gravity | amino_: Yeah, and 1.3 |
| 06:47.03 | helix | gravity: luckily you *can* map the keys to be just like photoshop so that's a good thing.. |
| 06:47.06 | Jordi_ | marcm: Gotcha. |
| 06:47.08 | amino_ | I still havent tried |
| 06:47.09 | gravity | Or whatever the development version was |
| 06:47.20 | GhostDawg | I think the best thing to do is just use Linux software only |
| 06:47.23 | gravity | helix: Yeah, I heard about that. There's some predefined keymap that ships with it |
| 06:47.27 | helix | gravity: most people (graphic designers for printing especially) really dislike the CMYK support |
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| 06:47.35 | salinsky | how do i kill the nobody acount ? |
| 06:47.44 | bob2 | salinsky: don't. |
| 06:47.45 | the1 | userdel |
| 06:47.45 | GhostDawg | you have to break away from windows stuff to truly get from it |
| 06:47.48 | helix | gravity: luckily gimp development is very active.. i've seen vast improvements even in the past year |
| 06:47.49 | bob2 | salinsky: if you need to ask, you can't. |
| 06:47.53 | gravity | helix: Right. That's being fixed. It was supposed to be in 2.0, but got delayed. |
| 06:47.58 | Alterego|AWAY | In Debian whil ssh'ing into another machine, I use the -X for X11 forwarding but I'm not getting any windows... Is there anything else I need to do? |
| 06:48.03 | gravity | helix: CMYK is the only real criticism I've ever heard as of late |
| 06:48.07 | marcm | Jordi_ like I said, I've deleped in windows, and that OS is no good. my 2nd computer I had came with windows 95, my first was an amiga 500 back in 1991 |
| 06:48.12 | salinsky | i dont need nobody to run stuff on my pc |
| 06:48.15 | helix | gravity: same here. the font support is great now |
| 06:48.18 | marcm | Jordi_ god I hated win 95 |
| 06:48.20 | helix | gravity: it used to suck big time |
| 06:48.23 | bob2 | Alterego|AWAY: are you starting X programs in the ssh session? |
| 06:48.26 | Jordi_ | salinsky: Just uninstall that update-db thing. But I suggest you don't kill nobody. It doesn't have a shell, don't worry. |
| 06:48.26 | marcm | Jordi_ then win 98 |
| 06:48.28 | bob2 | salinsky: haha, leave it alone. |
| 06:48.32 | Alterego|AWAY | bob2: Correct |
| 06:48.34 | zinx | helix: CMYK support in 1.3/2.0, or 1.2? |
| 06:48.38 | marcm | Jordi_ then discoverred red hat linux 4.2 and dual booted |
| 06:48.42 | gravity | helix: Yeah, all around. The desktop stuff has really come together in the last two years on things like that |
| 06:48.45 | marcm | Jordi_ until last year |
| 06:48.47 | amino_ | marcm: getting into web development using only free software could be a cool thing. |
| 06:48.52 | helix | zinx: i've never used 2.0 i don't think.. so everything preceding that |
| 06:48.57 | amino_ | if you get it to work right for you |
| 06:48.58 | JimButton | ok, i didn't find any good benchmarks, but lots of references for -O3 being slower than -O2, e.g. http://mail.nl.linux.org/kernelnewbies/2001-10/msg00296.html |
| 06:48.59 | Cyis | anyone know of any CGI/PHP project that is capable of reading the mail queue files directly and parsing ? |
| 06:49.07 | zignig | amino_: vi , the KING of web devolpment software...... :) |
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| 06:49.07 | gravity | helix: 2.0pre is in sid right now |
| 06:49.07 | Jordi_ | marcm: I started with computers somewhat late, and it was with UNIX. I'm pure. :) |
| 06:49.07 | helix | gravity: agreed.. i really like a lot of apps more now that they've moved to gtk2 |
| 06:49.13 | zinx | helix: 1.3 is being renamed to 2.0 more or less |
| 06:49.16 | helix | gravity: ah.. maybe i have used it :) not sure |
| 06:49.19 | gravity | helix: Me too. It's a major difference |
| 06:49.19 | amino_ | zignig: still using wordpad here:) |
| 06:49.21 | marcm | amino_ yes:) I don't mind spending money on free software either, CrossOver for instance is good qualitty |
| 06:49.25 | Jordi_ | Cyis: As in a webmail client? |
| 06:49.29 | zignig | amino_: word pad !!!! :P |
| 06:49.39 | gravity | helix: I hate gtk1, but 2 is wonderful. I didn't think I'd like anything better than qt2/3 |
| 06:49.40 | amino_ | zignig: hey it works great :) |
| 06:49.40 | helix | i can't use any X programs right now, unfortunately |
| 06:49.47 | Cyis | Jordi_: No... looking more for a way to examine the queue of held messages |
| 06:49.47 | gravity | hehe |
| 06:49.49 | bob2 | JimButton: -O3 generally produces bigger code, which resutls in mroe cache misses -> more memoery access -> slower execution |
| 06:49.57 | zignig | amino_: no doubt , I use frontpage myself <NOT> |
| 06:49.57 | helix | gravity: bleh, i hate qt |
| 06:49.58 | zinx | helix: line printer console? |
| 06:49.58 | JimButton | bob2: yes, i said that |
| 06:49.59 | gravity | helix: Are you using screen now? |
| 06:50.11 | kawfee | !info glimpse |
| 06:50.17 | JimButton | bob2: but kawfee insisted on being a stupid idiot and insulting me |
| 06:50.17 | helix | zinx: i guess |
| 06:50.18 | Jordi_ | Cyis: I guess that depends on what mail software you run, right? |
| 06:50.21 | Cyis | Jordi_: I already have Horde/Imp available for a web client |
| 06:50.24 | the1 | zignig: vim?..../me ducks in preperation for editor ware |
| 06:50.26 | the1 | *war |
| 06:50.30 | amino_ | marcm: how long have you been doing web stuff? |
| 06:50.31 | helix | gravity: nah.. too lazy to read the man page so i've got 3 ssh sessions going at once, heh |
| 06:50.36 | gravity | hehe |
| 06:50.37 | salinsky | kawfee was right |
| 06:50.37 | bob2 | JimButton: or at least that's what "everyone" says. |
| 06:50.37 | gravity | That works too |
| 06:50.39 | Cyis | Jordi_: standard Sendmail mqueue so it'd have to parse the df* and qf* files |
| 06:50.44 | helix | gravity: one for cplay, one for irssi, and one for mutt.. |
| 06:50.45 | noodles__ | im trying to install pcmcia-cs but I am getting an error about unresolved symbols can anyone help? |
| 06:50.48 | salinsky | i vote for wawfee |
| 06:50.54 | JimButton | bob2: that is not always true, but in lots of cases it is |
| 06:51.00 | arauko_ | windows appli usually insult to the users trying to know better what the user need and when he needs it... |
| 06:51.06 | marcm | Jordi_ when I did my diploma work in high school (actually for graduation), I did a windows shell replacement, borrowed the look from mac OS and afterstep, it was a cool thing. But I had to spend 4 month researching and 2 coding, f*cking closed source world |
| 06:51.07 | Jordi_ | Cyis: I personally don't know any, no. Haven't touched sendmail in decades! :D |
| 06:51.08 | gravity | helix: Nice. Way to have all your priorities straight :-) |
| 06:51.10 | JimButton | of course, benchmarks always depend on the specific code in question |
| 06:51.12 | Cyis | Jordi_: Basically I have MailScanner running on inbound and outbound email and holding flag'd emails for approval |
| 06:51.14 | kawfee | bob2: he should know when and when not to use O3 |
| 06:51.15 | amino_ | arauko: come on thats old stuff |
| 06:51.16 | helix | gravity: i try |
| 06:51.18 | gravity | helix: Nothing for links though? |
| 06:51.21 | marcm | amino_ not to long, I'm just getting into it |
| 06:51.27 | helix | gravity: nah.. |
| 06:51.33 | kawfee | JimButton: you insulted me firtst |
| 06:51.42 | the1 | mm dfadf |
| 06:51.42 | salinsky | i vote for kawfee |
| 06:51.43 | gravity | helix: Wow. The web is like liquid crack for me |
| 06:51.46 | Cyis | Jordi_: it's way of doing it is to just move the queue files directly not combine into the actual message and store as mbox or even maildir format |
| 06:51.47 | gravity | Or something |
| 06:51.47 | kawfee | I am right! |
| 06:51.49 | Jordi_ | marcm: Windows shell replacement? Windows has a shell? command.com ? |
| 06:51.51 | amino_ | marcm: maybe thats not even a bad idea then, to fully rely on free software |
| 06:51.56 | arauko_ | amino_, yeah.. and the sadder is that it still preserves a lot of truth |
| 06:52.00 | helix | gravity: well.. i've been using the internet at work |
| 06:52.03 | marcm | Jordi_ Explorer is the shell |
| 06:52.13 | helix | gravity: i've only been without X since last night so nothing really major has been lacking |
| 06:52.25 | bob2 | kawfee: by testing the actual code, yes. |
| 06:52.28 | bob2 | as everyone knows. |
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| 06:52.33 | bob2 | why is everyone so trolly today? |
| 06:52.35 | loudspeaker | helix: What happened that you lost X? |
| 06:52.38 | the1 | I hex edited command.com to make it say crazy things....back in the DOS/win3.1 days |
| 06:52.38 | kawfee | bob2: no. |
| 06:52.44 | marcm | amino_ you are then independent and you get lots of knowledge about html, php, mysql, graphics and so on |
| 06:52.45 | helix | gravity: but like i said, i'm really glad all of my major apps are not on X |
| 06:52.46 | JimButton | kawfee: you said "go read a book" and you did not provide any reference, what was that supposed to mean? |
| 06:52.47 | gravity | helix: Ah |
| 06:52.50 | arauko_ | bob2, full moon? |
| 06:52.51 | kawfee | bob2: you should know what code is acceptable to optimizers |
| 06:52.53 | helix | loudspeaker: my desktop monitor blew up last night |
| 06:52.56 | gravity | helix: Yeah, me too, although I need gaim pretty bad |
| 06:53.02 | gravity | helix: But I can deal without that |
| 06:53.03 | zignig | bleh ! |
| 06:53.04 | vividan | does anyone know linux QOS enough to give ssh packets priority? |
| 06:53.05 | helix | gravity: ah.. i don't use gaim hardly ever |
| 06:53.08 | bob2 | kawfee: huh? that varies from gcc release to release |
| 06:53.08 | kawfee | JimButton: I said read all the books. If you read all the books then you would know! |
| 06:53.15 | bob2 | vividan: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 06:53.15 | JimButton | kawfee: i consider that an insult, like "you should know what books to read, and you obviously haven't" |
| 06:53.15 | amino_ | arauko: well. I'm all for free when it comes to politics, I got a linux box standing next to me. but theres just some aspects where you have to be tolerant and admit windows makes life a bit easier for some stuff |
| 06:53.18 | helix | all of my favorite people are right here |
| 06:53.19 | bob2 | kawfee: chill, dude. |
| 06:53.23 | marcm | Jordi_ I even had its own browser wich was based on ....tata.... IE 5 |
| 06:53.25 | gravity | helix: I noticed :-) |
| 06:53.27 | The_Vulture | JimButton: that's a fair way from an insult |
| 06:53.28 | Jordi_ | vividan: No, but I recall a script. Lemme go look. |
| 06:53.32 | amino_ | marcm: youre not getting spoiled from the corporate products, lets put it that way |
| 06:53.35 | loudspeaker | helix: Its sad, but funny. Ouch, power surge or something? |
| 06:53.35 | The_Vulture | at best it's vague and perhaps somewhat silly, but far from insulting |
| 06:53.47 | marcm | amino_ yep:))) |
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| 06:53.47 | kawfee | bob2: so you are saying that when you try and optimize, x+++++x---x; you should just test it? |
| 06:53.52 | salinsky | is windows98 open source now ? |
| 06:53.54 | helix | loudspeaker: i'm really not sure.. it was on and then next thing i know, bzzzzt pop sssst |
| 06:53.58 | maher | helix: what about peterS? |
| 06:54.02 | Jordi_ | vividan: http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
| 06:54.07 | zinx | kawfee: that's not legal |
| 06:54.11 | kawfee | zinx: I know this. |
| 06:54.12 | Jordi_ | vividan: It does wonders here. |
| 06:54.13 | The_Vulture | kawfee: that invokes implementation or entirely undefined behaviour |
| 06:54.15 | helix | maher: he's out of town until tomorrow, but he is also one of my favorite people :) |
| 06:54.17 | marcm | salinsky what good, 20 people could rewrite win98 from scratch in less than 6 months |
| 06:54.20 | JimButton | kawfee: nobody can read all books, and i didn't even know which sort of books you were refering to |
| 06:54.20 | kawfee | zinx: it is legal. It's undefined. |
| 06:54.34 | zinx | kawfee: most will parse that as (x)(++)(++)(+)(x)(--)(-)(x) |
| 06:54.36 | The_Vulture | kawfee: so what's the point trying to optimize UB? |
| 06:54.36 | loudspeaker | helix: Didn't mean to delight in your x undoing. I expected you to say something like the config got screwed and you hadn't bothered to fix it. |
| 06:54.36 | marcm | salinsky except drivers of course |
| 06:54.39 | zinx | kawfee: which is completely not legal :/ |
| 06:54.43 | kawfee | The_Vulture: It's defined by the compiler and the architecture. |
| 06:54.46 | vividan | Jordi_: awesome... thanks |
| 06:54.51 | kawfee | zinx: it is legal. It is undefined. |
| 06:54.53 | vividan | Jordi_: looks like exactly what I need |
| 06:54.54 | The_Vulture | kawfee: it doesn't have to be, that'd be implementation defined behaviour |
| 06:54.54 | zinx | kawfee: (x++)++ doesn't work. |
| 06:55.04 | helix | loudspeaker: ha, nah.. i wish it was something like that |
| 06:55.07 | marcm | amino_ I may get xandros tomorrow and install it on my laptop |
| 06:55.08 | arauko_ | amino_, the people that already got used to windows, or whose have been working with windows during long time will think that way, but for someone starting to computers with linux will think the opposite, thats why i think, like i told before, non-computers users would assimilate faster free software usage and philosophy |
| 06:55.08 | zinx | kawfee: you can't increment something unless it's an lvalue |
| 06:55.11 | helix | loudspeaker: if it was, it would have been fixed by now |
| 06:55.12 | kawfee | zinx: x+++++x; works fine |
| 06:55.14 | JimButton | kawfee: and fwiw, i consider testing different optimization options for some code in question still the best way to go, not reading any books and infering what sort of options would be fastest |
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| 06:55.21 | zinx | kawfee: no it doesn't. you need x++ + ++x |
| 06:55.24 | The_Vulture | fsvo "works" that's a pretty silly value |
| 06:55.35 | JimButton | kawfee: i know of no book which would tell me which optimization options to use |
| 06:55.38 | kawfee | zinx: yeah, whatever, I was demonstrating something else though =] |
| 06:55.38 | salinsky | what x+++x » |
| 06:55.44 | salinsky | what x+++x? |
| 06:55.49 | zinx | salinsky: that's fine |
| 06:55.53 | JimButton | kawfee: so maybe you could give at least one title or author? |
| 06:55.57 | marcm | arauko_ my mom never worked with windows, but I need an easy to use distro for her, so I'm thinking about xandros |
| 06:56.00 | zinx | kawfee: well, demonstrate it correctly :P |
| 06:56.05 | kawfee | JimButton: go to the libraray and start reading |
| 06:56.18 | The_Vulture | kawfee: I'm with zinx on that, it is illegal, and even with the spaces it has UB, so "optimizing" it is just silly |
| 06:56.23 | kawfee | zinx: it doesn't matter. It's undefined or illegal. Whichever you prefer it still isn't valid. |
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| 06:56.24 | zinx | well |
| 06:56.26 | JimButton | kawfee: you have no idea what you are talking about, right? |
| 06:56.28 | GhostDawg | marcm: that may be a good choice |
| 06:56.29 | zinx | with the spaces, it's just undefined |
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| 06:56.32 | JimButton | kawfee: name one book |
| 06:56.36 | noodles__ | im trying to install pcmcia-cs but I am getting an error about unresolved symbols can anyone help? |
| 06:56.38 | Jordi_ | JimButton: There's some GCC books from the FSF that *might* touch on the subject. |
| 06:56.40 | zinx | and the compiler is perfectly free to make it work in any order it likes |
| 06:56.50 | zinx | so optimization vs. no optimization is a moot point |
| 06:56.54 | loudspeaker | When inputting BusID into the config, it mentions that lspci's readout is hex, but needs to be decimal... I have 01:00.0 ... I should just put PCI:01:00:00 correct? |
| 06:56.59 | kawfee | JimButton: "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainence." |
| 06:57.02 | loudspeaker | Config for X that is |
| 06:57.02 | arauko_ | marcm, you apparently didnt get my point |
| 06:57.12 | The_Vulture | kawfee: I fail to see what bearing that text has on the discussion at hand |
| 06:57.17 | JimButton | kawfee: i have read that one, and it obviously has no connection to the discussion |
| 06:57.17 | The_Vulture | if yer going to make a point, make it |
| 06:57.24 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:57.43 | loudspeaker | Anyone? |
| 06:57.59 | kawfee | The_Vulture: try and optimize that code. gcc usually produces another answer than the one it produces unoptimized. |
| 06:58.05 | marcm | arauko_ probably not, wich was? |
| 06:58.12 | kawfee | JimButton: you said to name a book. I did. |
| 06:58.14 | The_Vulture | kawfee: so, it's UB, it's entirely free to do that |
| 06:58.17 | The_Vulture | and entirely irrelevent |
| 06:58.19 | arauko_ | marcm, too lazy to tyope again, read above |
| 06:58.21 | kawfee | The_Vulture: yes it is |
| 06:58.22 | gravity | loudspeaker: You can generally ignore that field, unless you have more than one video card |
| 06:58.29 | JimButton | kawfee: you are obviously incapable of rational discussion |
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| 06:58.37 | kawfee | The_Vulture: no, not really. I was pointing out that a programmer should know when to optimize. |
| 06:58.39 | JimButton | ok, EOD for me |
| 06:58.43 | marcm | night all |
| 06:58.45 | marcm | I gotta |
| 06:58.47 | marcm | sleep |
| 06:58.53 | The_Vulture | kawfee: a programmer should know to write code that has well defined behaviour, that's what a programmer should know |
| 06:58.55 | Jordi_ | Night man. |
| 06:58.56 | marcm | thanks for the great help all:) |
| 06:58.58 | kawfee | JimButton: x+x = 2x. How's that? |
| 06:59.03 | Jordi_ | JimButton: Good! EOFF. :) |
| 06:59.08 | kawfee | The_Vulture: yeah, and know how to compile. |
| 06:59.14 | loudspeaker | I don't, but "discover" said that I do and makes me enter a BusID. What is the deal with that? Why is it seeing two? |
| 06:59.29 | JimButton | kawfee: stop taking those drugs |
| 06:59.32 | The_Vulture | well it's rather hard to be a programmer without knowing how to invoke a compiler, but I fail to see how demonstrating that UB is undefined has anything to do with compiler optimizations |
| 06:59.39 | The_Vulture | you shouldn't be writing code with UB in the first place |
| 06:59.44 | Jordi_ | JimButton: Nevermind. |
| 06:59.50 | The_Vulture | JimButton: either he needs more or less, I haven't decided which |
| 07:00.15 | kawfee | JimButton: oh right, x*x = x^2; sorry |
| 07:00.23 | gravity | loudspeaker: That's not discover, that's xserver-xfree86, and I don't know why it's asking, but just ignore it unless you really know you need it |
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| 07:01.04 | Jordi_ | Hahahahahahah! |
| 07:01.05 | JimButton | fwiw, i have read large parts of the intel optimization manual |
| 07:01.05 | witless | hi. any ideas where i can find a list of linux-compatible scanners? |
| 07:01.30 | Jordi_ | witless: Maybe the website for that SANE thing? |
| 07:01.35 | loudspeaker | gravity: I'll try it. I'm actually trying a reinstall of Debian, because for the life of me I could not get X to work on the previous. |
| 07:01.44 | loudspeaker | gravity: Not sure if its going to make a diff but ... |
| 07:01.46 | gravity | loudspeaker: Why reinstall? |
| 07:01.51 | gravity | loudspeaker: It won't. I promise. |
| 07:01.58 | kawfee | JimButton: that's a start. |
| 07:02.15 | zeeble | intels opti manual is a start. nice. |
| 07:02.19 | zeeble | heh |
| 07:02.23 | gravity | loudspeaker: Install discover, mdetect, and read-edid, and after all that X doesn't work, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 07:02.27 | kawfee | intel has nice optimization manuals |
| 07:02.33 | witless | Jordi_: good call :-) http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
| 07:02.39 | gravity | loudspeaker: Keep doing the dpkg-reconfigure until you get it configured right. Those three apps will help. |
| 07:02.40 | loudspeaker | gravity, Didn't know what else to do. Someone here wanted the exact readout of the log file and being new to linux like I am, I couldn't get it to them. |
| 07:02.46 | JimButton | still doesn't tell you whether gcc -O3 or -O2 is faster |
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| 07:02.52 | JimButton | none of these books does |
| 07:02.59 | loudspeaker | gravity: They got frustrated and didn't help |
| 07:03.00 | JimButton | if you had read them, you would know it |
| 07:03.01 | zeeble | kawfee true, but to say they are a "start" is weird. they re _very_ good |
| 07:03.06 | Jordi_ | JimButton: It will depend on the code, I guess. |
| 07:03.10 | JimButton | Jordi_: right |
| 07:03.30 | Jordi_ | JimButton: I don't thing there's the one true book of -O flags. |
| 07:03.32 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 07:03.37 | JimButton | Jordi_: no, there can't be |
| 07:03.47 | gravity | loudspeaker: You'll have to do some reading and some playing around to get it. Remember to not use the framebuffer. Trying to get it working with the vesa driver first is a good idea because that driver always works. Then you can switch to the one specifically for your card. |
| 07:03.50 | Vicious | . |
| 07:03.52 | JimButton | Jordi_: that is what i wanted to tell kawfee, but he is just being an arrogant jerk |
| 07:04.17 | helix | no way |
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| 07:04.24 | gravity | way! |
| 07:04.27 | Jordi_ | JimButton: Oh, come on. You're going to do what about it? Try to convince people that he's arrogant? |
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| 07:04.55 | loudspeaker | gravity, Thanks for the help. I'll try those three proggies and work with it. Vesa eh? I'll give it a shot. |
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| 07:05.07 | JimButton | Jordi_: well, i am in a combative mood tonight :) |
| 07:05.07 | kawfee | zeeble: I was referring to something else |
| 07:05.09 | Jordi_ | JimButton: It would take less time to run gcc with all possible flags and brute force check for the best setting for your app. |
| 07:05.13 | helix | loudspeaker: what kind of video card do you have? |
| 07:05.13 | Jordi_ | :P |
| 07:05.20 | kawfee | Jordi_: there probably isn't |
| 07:05.22 | gravity | loudspeaker: Yeah. If the version of X you have doesn't support your card directly, you can always just use vesa (which is what I use right now) |
| 07:05.27 | zeeble | kawfee yeah, forget it. i've not been following this convo, just read what was in the buffer |
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| 07:05.43 | gravity | loudspeaker: Discover should allow it to detect which card driver you should be using anyhow |
| 07:05.44 | loudspeaker | helix: I have a Radeon 8500n |
| 07:06.07 | helix | loudspeaker: check out my website.. http://www.double-helix.org/linux/ |
| 07:06.07 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ah. You're running stable right? Just use the vesa driver. |
| 07:06.18 | helix | loudspeaker: there is a howto type thing for radeon 7000 but it might help you |
| 07:06.29 | Jordi_ | Agggghhhh, who's the other "Jordi" that has the nick registed, and never *ever* I see online? :( |
| 07:06.36 | helix | loudspeaker: hm.. unless you don't want to upgrade to testing |
| 07:06.36 | loudspeaker | helix, I'll give it a looksy, Thanks |
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| 07:06.44 | helix | loudspeaker: even so, it might give you some ideas.. |
| 07:06.46 | mark | hi |
| 07:06.56 | mark | where can i find kernel header files? |
| 07:07.04 | mark | im trying to intall vmware |
| 07:07.10 | loudspeaker | gravity, I'll run the config right now and let you know. |
| 07:07.11 | Jordi_ | I guess is Mallach. |
| 07:07.18 | gravity | loudspeaker: Good luck |
| 07:07.28 | sharth | mark: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:07.34 | loudspeaker | gravity, I'm gonna need it. (Star Wars) =) |
| 07:07.40 | gravity | heh |
| 07:07.54 | helix | gravity: some of it is specific to bellsouth.. which is why i wrote it |
| 07:08.01 | mark | thank you sharth |
| 07:08.13 | helix | gravity: but only the part about having [mail.bellsouth.net] with the brackets (or whatever i have in there) |
| 07:08.14 | mark | what directory are they going to be installed to? |
| 07:08.24 | sharth | /usr/src i would imagine. |
| 07:08.26 | gravity | helix: Yeah, I know. But you did some things differently than me. My config is a bit of a mishmash of crap, and I feel like there should be an easier way. |
| 07:08.31 | helix | zinx: where are you? |
| 07:08.33 | mark | ok thanks |
| 07:08.36 | zinx | helix: alabama |
| 07:08.38 | sharth | vmware's install script should see it fine |
| 07:08.51 | Jordi_ | helix: We share the same languages. :) |
| 07:08.53 | helix | gravity: the tutorial or whatever you wanna call it is pretty succinct |
| 07:08.57 | zinx | nice, you have a 9700 too |
| 07:08.57 | helix | Jordi_: we do? |
| 07:08.57 | mark | yep i found them |
| 07:08.57 | gravity | Maybe tomorrow. I'm too tired to fuck with postfix tonight :-P |
| 07:08.59 | mark | thanks |
| 07:09.07 | zinx | erh, 7000? :x |
| 07:09.15 | helix | zinx: heh, yeah.. |
| 07:09.15 | gravity | helix: I read the FAQ a ton, as well as all the docs. I had to mess around a lot until I got it working at all. |
| 07:09.21 | gravity | Lots of little things |
| 07:09.23 | helix | gravity: fuck the docs and the FAQ. |
| 07:09.25 | zinx | i can't read :P |
| 07:09.26 | JimButton | oh, i am gonna be in birmingham, alabama in march, just read the martin luther king letter from the birmingham jail again... :) |
| 07:09.42 | helix | gravity: one thing i can say about postfix is that the docs blow.. but that's what google and the postfix mailing list are for |
| 07:09.44 | Jordi_ | helix: I guess. Is that double-helix website yours? |
| 07:09.48 | helix | Jordi_: yeah |
| 07:09.55 | Jordi_ | helix: en, es and pt, right? |
| 07:10.01 | Jordi_ | yep. |
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| 07:10.11 | loudspeaker | gravity, argh. It loaded into the kde splash screen and the aborted. |
| 07:10.16 | helix | Jordi_: well, only en and es fairly well, pt and ru a tiny but, and i know a few words in japanese.. |
| 07:10.28 | gravity | helix: Some of them are really good. The manual is actually fantastic when you get to know it, but I just had trouble because I just have a desktop system. Apparently the docs just don't swing that way. |
| 07:10.32 | helix | Jordi_: but i like pt a lot :) |
| 07:10.37 | gravity | loudspeaker: Then you're in good shape. X works. |
| 07:10.37 | Jordi_ | helix: Likewise. Was an exchange student in the south of Japan. |
| 07:10.38 | gravity | I think |
| 07:10.53 | Jordi_ | ru I don't know. :P |
| 07:10.54 | helix | gravity: sorry dude, i'm not spending days getting to know some stupid doc.. when i can figure things out on irc/with google 10x faster |
| 07:10.54 | JimButton | isn't written portuguese very close to spanish? |
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| 07:10.59 | helix | Jordi_: cool :) |
| 07:11.02 | gravity | loudspeaker: You can look in /var/logs/XFree86.log to find out what went wrong |
| 07:11.05 | Jordi_ | helix: But I'm fluent in pt_BR. |
| 07:11.05 | helix | JimButton: with some slight spelling variations, yes |
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| 07:11.08 | gravity | loudspeaker: That and ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:11.12 | helix | Jordi_: i'm jealous! |
| 07:11.19 | gravity | helix: Google and IRC weren't helping me |
| 07:11.25 | gravity | helix: I had to really fuck with it a lot. |
| 07:11.28 | Jordi_ | helix: Lived in Brasil for a few good years. |
| 07:11.36 | helix | gravity: you should have come to teh helix!!1 |
| 07:11.42 | helix | Jordi_: cool.. whereabouts? |
| 07:11.48 | streuner | JimButton: should be so close like dutch and german ;-) |
| 07:11.50 | helix | Jordi_: pt is a realllyyyy beautiful language |
| 07:11.55 | gravity | helix: You hadn't used postfix yet |
| 07:12.02 | gravity | helix: And the second time you weren't helping :-) |
| 07:12.04 | JimButton | streuner: well, i am german, and i surely don't understand dutch :) |
| 07:12.05 | helix | gravity: oh, i thought this was recent |
| 07:12.11 | gravity | helix: There were two times |
| 07:12.21 | gravity | helix: The most recent was last week (I think) |
| 07:12.23 | helix | gravity: but it works now? |
| 07:12.30 | gravity | helix: Yeah... it's ugly but it works. |
| 07:12.31 | helix | gravity: i'm thinking of when you came back from cali |
| 07:12.45 | loudspeaker | gravity, I'll give the log a shot. I didn't find anything last time, but I'm not sure what to look for either |
| 07:12.47 | gravity | helix: Yeah. That was the most recent. The first is when I switched to postfix. |
| 07:12.51 | JimButton | streuner: though i learned some swedish, and it is often possible to guess the meaning of words, very close to german |
| 07:12.53 | streuner | JimButton: then yo know 'platt' and you know how close they are... :-) |
| 07:12.53 | Jordi_ | helix: In the north of Brasil. The state that's east of Amazonia. |
| 07:12.54 | helix | gravity: right.. |
| 07:12.56 | gravity | loudspeaker: Anything that says "error" |
| 07:13.00 | helix | Jordi_: oh ok.. |
| 07:13.19 | JimButton | streuner: well, platt is really a different language from german :) |
| 07:13.21 | helix | i'd like to visit brasil |
| 07:13.33 | helix | if i did anything useful with debian, i'd have signed up for the conference there.. |
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| 07:14.19 | Jordi_ | helix: Same with me and the one in Olso. I almost went. |
| 07:14.30 | Jordi_ | mentally fix that typo. :P |
| 07:14.32 | jetscreamer | kde is a four letter word... |
| 07:14.35 | space_ | ok, people, how do I get rid of this when I'm installing packages: |
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| 07:14.40 | space_ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:14.40 | space_ | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:14.40 | space_ | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:14.48 | space_ | ? |
| 07:14.51 | Jordi_ | space_: Nasty! |
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| 07:14.54 | jetscreamer | space_ don't do it in an xterm |
| 07:14.55 | space_ | I know! |
| 07:15.12 | space_ | jetscreamer: I get it everywhere, even in kpackage |
| 07:15.27 | streuner | jetscreamer: doh, now i unterstand :-) |
| 07:15.56 | Jordi_ | space_: It seems as if you've deleted your locale files, and you're default locale is set to something other than C. |
| 07:16.02 | helix | space_: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 07:16.03 | jetscreamer | btw streuner ... sarge didn't last very long... my new record for sarge.... 2 hrs |
| 07:16.22 | space_ | Jordi_: how can I check/fix this? |
| 07:16.27 | jetscreamer | no weird lockups yet either |
| 07:16.33 | Jordi_ | God, dammit. *your* default locale. |
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| 07:16.36 | space_ | ok helix I'll try that |
| 07:16.41 | Jordi_ | Not you *are* a default locale. |
| 07:16.45 | Jordi_ | :P |
| 07:16.47 | jetscreamer | uh no |
| 07:16.55 | helix | jetscreamer: why only two hours? |
| 07:17.01 | space_ | but errrrrr |
| 07:17.10 | space_ | do I have to set default locale for root? |
| 07:17.18 | jetscreamer | helix, was seeing if the lockups were latest sid |
| 07:17.20 | helix | gravity: do you use sasl to authenticate? |
| 07:17.25 | space_ | because root is the one installing packages and all |
| 07:17.26 | jetscreamer | apparently was kebpac |
| 07:17.33 | helix | haha |
| 07:17.55 | gravity | helix: Yeah. It's not working. Shit bounces all wrong. |
| 07:18.04 | helix | hm |
| 07:18.29 | Jordi_ | space_: You normally don't need to. |
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| 07:18.54 | Jordi_ | space_: Unless you're an Unicode freak like me. :) |
| 07:19.01 | jetscreamer | space_ do you get the ame error from a console aka tty |
| 07:19.11 | loudspeaker | gravity, Only errors I get are Cannot open device /dev/input/mice (I'll go in and change my mouse settings) and Fatal Server Error: Caught signal 11. |
| 07:19.15 | gravity | helix: Mine authenticates just fine, but my smtp server requires that my mailserver use the same login name that I use for authenticating, which means I have to do hacky shit |
| 07:19.19 | gravity | Very hacky |
| 07:19.31 | rdancer | Jordi_, space_ : isn't default locale something like a fallback, so one set systemwide? |
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| 07:19.56 | helix | gravity: what kinds of hacky shit? |
| 07:20.00 | gratuit | if I want to see all the output from commands in a shell script, would I just do 'echo <command>' for each of them? or is there an easier way? |
| 07:20.05 | Jordi_ | rdancer: Yep. And it sounds like his is set to something he has no files for. |
| 07:20.06 | gravity | loudspeaker: Yep, that would be a problem |
| 07:20.09 | helix | i think your sentence confused me :) |
| 07:20.37 | gravity | helix: I have to use both the canonical db and the virtual db |
| 07:20.39 | helix | gravity: do you mean your username for your isp is not the same as your mail username? |
| 07:20.45 | gravity | helix: No, it is |
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| 07:21.08 | Jordi_ | Why? |
| 07:21.10 | rdancer | Jordi_: so the locale is set to something, and if he didn't set LC_ALL or friends, even for root the C library locale routines felt back to his default locale |
| 07:21.10 | helix | i guess i'm confused |
| 07:21.15 | gravity | helix: The mail server authenticates me just fine. But then when I send the email to it, postfix says that it's from my local login name rather than the verizon one |
| 07:21.23 | helix | gravity: ahhhh.. |
| 07:21.33 | helix | gravity: do you have everything in /etc/aliases setup properly? |
| 07:21.37 | helix | gravity: i had that problem too.. |
| 07:21.38 | gravity | helix: So I have to use the canonical file to set david (my local login) to my verizon one |
| 07:21.56 | gravity | helix: How'd you solve it? |
| 07:22.08 | helix | if the aliases file is set up properly, there should be no problems, afaik |
| 07:22.25 | helix | gravity: well.. in /etc/aliases, i.e. david:leetd00d |
| 07:22.29 | Jordi_ | rdancer: I don't know. It's beyond me. It's been a while since anyway. :P |
| 07:22.31 | gravity | helix: Postfix won't use aliases for that. I have several names aliased to my local name. How would postfix know which one to use? |
| 07:22.37 | tempo | when i try to add an apt-setup i go to filesystem to enter the mounted partition /mnt/Drivers/debian. i the msg - Failed to access the debian archive. apt gave an error. how do i resolve that? |
| 07:22.44 | helix | gravity: yes it will |
| 07:22.52 | helix | that's what /etc/aliases is for. |
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| 07:22.57 | rdancer | Jordi_: then it's like I say ;P |
| 07:23.07 | gravity | helix: I have verizonlogin: david already in there |
| 07:23.10 | rdancer | Jordi_: s/like/as/ |
| 07:23.15 | gravity | helix: Should it be the other way around? |
| 07:23.15 | Jordi_ | rdancer: Ok. Carry on with support, then. :D |
| 07:23.18 | loudspeaker | gravity, I have one of those new wireless keyboard/mouse sets. Could that be part of the problem? |
| 07:23.26 | gravity | loudspeaker: Possibly. I don't know. |
| 07:23.29 | helix | gravity: put it both ways, i think.. let me check |
| 07:23.35 | tom-away | i know it's my fault, but what's the way out of debian config dependency problems? |
| 07:23.40 | gravity | helix: That would just confuse things very badly |
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| 07:24.00 | helix | gravity: yeah.. on my site it just says erinn:helix - erinn being my login name, helix my local login |
| 07:24.03 | rac | is it better to force depends on removal or conflicts on installation, or is there a better magical way to replace one MTA with another ? |
| 07:24.04 | tempo | i am trying to setup apt-get and install all the pkgs. i installed the very basic debian os. now i wanted to add souces. i don't have internet or cdrom connected to my machine |
| 07:24.06 | gravity | loudspeaker: Actually, yeah. If it's usb, you have to make sure you're using the right usb port (/dev/usb or whatever) |
| 07:24.21 | helix | gravity: it appears you're doing it right.. |
| 07:24.22 | gravity | helix: Right. So it's not working for me |
| 07:24.30 | gravity | helix: It may just be a particularity of my smtp server |
| 07:24.39 | gravity | It was a bitch and a half to get around though |
| 07:24.43 | loudspeaker | gravity, I had one of those green connectors to port it back into the regular ps/2 |
| 07:24.52 | helix | gravity: weird.. |
| 07:24.59 | jm_ | rac: hmm, apt-get install newmta doesn't work ? |
| 07:25.02 | loudspeaker | gravity, but I know it gave me a lot of troulbe in Mandrake as well. Even with it |
| 07:25.08 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ah. Well mdetect should detect the mouse properly. |
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| 07:25.19 | rdancer | Jordi_: OK ;P |
| 07:25.22 | rac | jm_: it says oldmta is still providing mail-transport-agent, and refuses |
| 07:25.34 | gravity | helix: Yeah. Either way, I've got a pretty good idea of what's going on, and I understand postfix a whole lot better for it :-) |
| 07:25.37 | helix | gravity: and you ran newaliases afterwards? |
| 07:25.41 | gravity | helix: Yep |
| 07:25.42 | jm_ | rac: try using aptitude |
| 07:25.46 | helix | strange |
| 07:25.55 | gravity | helix: I just tried your method exactly. It didn't work |
| 07:26.17 | rdancer | Jordi_: he didn't like me ;P |
| 07:26.21 | rac | jm_: aptitude install newmta? |
| 07:26.23 | helix | gravity: what is your email address anyway? it is not in my l33t address book |
| 07:26.30 | gravity | helix: Like I said, postfix doesn't use aliases for that. It just uses aliases to deliver mail properly locally |
| 07:26.37 | gravity | helix: Which one? :-) |
| 07:27.04 | witless | anyone know off-hand what the UserLinux SMTP package of choice is? |
| 07:27.11 | helix | gravity: any |
| 07:27.20 | helix | gravity: hm. |
| 07:27.23 | Jordi_ | rdancer: Lousy help desk skills, man. You would be a good BOFH. |
| 07:28.17 | rac | jm_: yes, it looks like that understands that oldmta must be removed. thank you |
| 07:28.21 | rdancer | is there a way to run spamassassins serialy, so they won't eat all the 64MB of my ram? (apart from spam[cd] (unsecure))? |
| 07:28.38 | rdancer | Jordi_: proud of that ;) |
| 07:28.43 | loudspeaker | gravity, I COULD KISS YOU! |
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| 07:29.08 | gravity | loudspeaker: :-) |
| 07:29.11 | loudspeaker | gravity, I mean I won't, but just be wary next time your in irc |
| 07:29.12 | gravity | loudspeaker: Did mdetect work? |
| 07:29.16 | gravity | Haha |
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| 07:29.48 | loudspeaker | I plugged my other mouse in and rebooted. Stepped away to get a drink and walked back to find a KDE window starring me in the face |
| 07:29.54 | helix | w00t |
| 07:29.58 | gravity | Cool. Glad to hear it |
| 07:30.03 | gravity | loudspeaker: Now enjoy your Debian :-) |
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| 07:30.15 | salinsky | yes |
| 07:30.19 | Jordi_ | loudspeaker: What do you drink man? I could use some booze. :) |
| 07:30.45 | witless | i'm coasting on tequila, heinekin, and a glass of port wine. |
| 07:31.01 | rdancer | loudspeaker: do you mean s/kde/kdm/? |
| 07:31.05 | loudspeaker | gravity, You have no idea. I almost did the splits when I saw it. Thought better of my crotch and decided no |
| 07:31.05 | helix | gravity: me too.. surprise? |
| 07:31.10 | gravity | Hehe |
| 07:31.11 | gravity | helix: Nope |
| 07:31.20 | salinsky | helix is bieng payed by the oil company |
| 07:31.20 | loudspeaker | Jordi_, Negro Modella actually. Best beer in the world |
| 07:31.21 | helix | loudspeaker: it's pretty exciting after struggling with X etc. to get it working.. |
| 07:31.24 | gravity | I think I'm still getting over my massive binge last weekend |
| 07:31.30 | Jordi_ | loudspeaker: Modelo. :) |
| 07:31.33 | helix | salinsky: i wish.. |
| 07:31.34 | gravity | Hehe |
| 07:31.39 | helix | maybe i'd be able to afford a new monitor |
| 07:31.42 | loudspeaker | rdancer, Yes =P |
| 07:31.48 | Jordi_ | loudspeaker: And Negra. I agree, is really good. |
| 07:31.53 | patfm | hi... my preinstalled laptop came with stable. i want testing. apt-get seems to have been borked beyond recognition, so i'm thinking i should just reinstall. am i insane? |
| 07:31.53 | gravity | :-) |
| 07:32.14 | salinsky | iv got a 19 monitor |
| 07:32.20 | gravity | patfm: How'd you kill apt-get? |
| 07:32.25 | helix | patfm: haha.. dude |
| 07:32.28 | loudspeaker | helix, You know though, the frustrations from Debian don't compare to MS. |
| 07:32.31 | helix | patfm: you have been breaking things all week |
| 07:32.35 | Active2 | i've a 19" inch Iiyama and a 17" TFT :) |
| 07:32.41 | patfm | yeah, i'm trying like hell to make this thing work |
| 07:32.42 | helix | loudspeaker: agreed. there is actually resolution to linux problems.. :) |
| 07:32.44 | jetscreamer | patfm is your apt source list, /etc/apt/sources.list good? |
| 07:32.57 | helix | Active2: you are not nice. |
| 07:33.01 | loudspeaker | helix, You don't have a great group of ppl to help you out. Well, you do ... they just want to charge you an arm and a leg. =P |
| 07:33.04 | Active2 | helix: :P |
| 07:33.11 | patfm | jetscreamer: there are complaints about one line |
| 07:33.19 | helix | comment it out |
| 07:33.22 | patfm | but i commented it out, and still had the same problem. |
| 07:33.23 | helix | or fix it |
| 07:33.25 | loudspeaker | helix, lol No kidding |
| 07:33.26 | Active2 | helix: and i'm a student :) |
| 07:33.30 | helix | hm |
| 07:33.31 | gravity | patfm: Comment it out and apt-get update |
| 07:33.37 | patfm | complaints about libgl1 |
| 07:33.40 | patfm | okay i'll try |
| 07:33.43 | jetscreamer | dselect will do your apt sources for you if you type them in |
| 07:33.50 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 07:33.51 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful GUI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about gnome-apt and aptitude. |
| 07:33.51 | Jordi_ | Active2: Bad, Active. Bad! Are you cousins with the X one? |
| 07:33.54 | helix | Active2: well. i had 3 working monitors until yesterday so i'm not really *that* jealous |
| 07:33.59 | witless | i'm builing a machine for my parents - win2k / linux dual-boot, think debian unstable with gnome would be a decent choice? |
| 07:34.26 | patfm | a friend suggested i should be shooting for testing, not unstable |
| 07:34.27 | gravity | hehe |
| 07:34.32 | patfm | by the way : ) |
| 07:34.36 | gravity | patfm: No, not unless you know what you're doing |
| 07:34.38 | Active2 | Jordi_: no... i'm working for it |
| 07:34.41 | gravity | Your friend doesn't know shit |
| 07:34.41 | loudspeaker | Argh, now when I try to log in, it blinks a few times and brings me back to the login screen. WTF? |
| 07:34.44 | dselectPimp | wittless i gave my kids w2k adv server and sid.... sid is preferred |
| 07:34.55 | gravity | dselectPimp: Nice |
| 07:34.55 | dselectPimp | gnome of course |
| 07:34.56 | patfm | gravity: i used to think i knew what i was doing : ) |
| 07:34.57 | Active2 | helix: ok it is not my intension to make you jealous |
| 07:35.07 | helix | Active2: that's good because i could kick your ass |
| 07:35.15 | gravity | patfm: Do you know what you have to be most aware of with testing? |
| 07:35.19 | Active2 | helix: you are op here ? |
| 07:35.20 | Active2 | hmm |
| 07:35.22 | gravity | patfm: If you don't, then don't use it |
| 07:35.24 | helix | haha |
| 07:35.25 | helix | no |
| 07:35.32 | Active2 | :) |
| 07:35.35 | witless | my mom's used to windows. on the other hand, she didn't notice that i switched her from outlook express to thunderbird last month... as long as those goddamn AOL online games work i guess she'll be happy. |
| 07:35.36 | gravity | FIGHT! :-) |
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| 07:35.51 | helix | witless: heh, you're speaking my mind.. |
| 07:35.54 | jetscreamer | witless give em netscape 7.1 then |
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| 07:36.12 | jetscreamer | best chance for aol i think dunno |
| 07:36.17 | patfm | gravity: security, i presume |
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| 07:36.26 | witless | firebird with JVM seems to work |
| 07:36.33 | gravity | patfm: Yep. |
| 07:36.35 | maddexter | hello guys |
| 07:36.44 | gravity | patfm: As long as you know that, then testing is Ok. It's a big issue. |
| 07:36.45 | Active2 | hi |
| 07:36.46 | rdancer | loudspeaker: empty .xsession? |
| 07:36.54 | patfm | gravity: i see. |
| 07:36.56 | maddexter | im using kernel 2.2.2 on my woddy and i want to update it |
| 07:36.57 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.59 | loudspeaker | rdancer, How do I fix that? |
| 07:37.00 | maddexter | but i have noe clue ho |
| 07:37.00 | maddexter | w |
| 07:37.02 | gravity | patfm: You have to do a lot of manual work with testing to stay Ok security-wise |
| 07:37.10 | maddexter | how can i update my kernel? |
| 07:37.14 | holycow | as long as you don't give them the root pass they should be fine :) |
| 07:37.17 | loudspeaker | rdancer, I can log into Gnome ... just not KDE. |
| 07:37.18 | helix | testing scares me |
| 07:37.22 | holycow | besides, you can always ssh in and fix whatevers going on :) |
| 07:37.25 | jetscreamer | maddexter, dselect |
| 07:37.28 | Active2 | maddexter: i think you need to read a kernel howto |
| 07:37.32 | gravity | helix: Me too. I can't recommend it to anyone in good faith. |
| 07:37.32 | patfm | gravity: is there a place where i can look at some examples of the sorts of updates i'd need to do? |
| 07:37.37 | jetscreamer | sid is more stable thant testing imio |
| 07:37.41 | Active2 | jetscreamer: that's also a good point :) |
| 07:37.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:37.57 | rdancer | loudspeaker: so could i, iirc; so abandoned KDE for gnome -> gnome for plain X ;) |
| 07:37.57 | helix | jetscreamer: it isn't nice to recommend dselect to people |
| 07:37.59 | maddexter | but if ill use dselect ill just install my old kernel |
| 07:38.01 | gravity | patfm: Not really. You need to subscribe to the Debian security announcements so you know when you're in trouble. |
| 07:38.03 | Active2 | hmm when becomes testing frozen ? |
| 07:38.09 | maddexter | which was 2.2.2 how can i get a newer one? |
| 07:38.11 | jetscreamer | dselect rox |
| 07:38.12 | helix | !sarge pool |
| 07:38.13 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 07:38.17 | rdancer | loudspeaker: no idea, therefore :( |
| 07:38.22 | patfm | gravity: i see |
| 07:38.26 | loudspeaker | rdancer, =P Thanks though |
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| 07:38.38 | gravity | What's the other sarge pool? |
| 07:38.42 | patfm | does debian stable fit on one cd? |
| 07:38.48 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:38.49 | gravity | You know, the one with my winning bet? :-) |
| 07:38.51 | helix | erm.. sort of |
| 07:38.53 | helix | gravity: haha |
| 07:38.56 | loudspeaker | gravity, Hey, any idea why I can login to Gnome but not KDE? It just flickers and then brings me back to the login screen. |
| 07:38.56 | Active2 | helix: hmm 2004 03 27 ;) that's a guess :P |
| 07:39.08 | witless | holycow: not sure if mom's SBC DSL blocks incoming ssh or not... |
| 07:39.12 | helix | Active2: yeah.. |
| 07:39.13 | gravity | loudspeaker: Nope. Check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:39.18 | helix | i'm thinking it's *way* wrong now |
| 07:39.23 | helix | at the time it seemed possible.. |
| 07:39.28 | gravity | We're damn close I think |
| 07:39.32 | gravity | A few more weeks |
| 07:39.34 | jetscreamer | witless no imo but not sure |
| 07:39.35 | Active2 | maybe |
| 07:39.40 | jetscreamer | i have swb dsl |
| 07:39.43 | gravity | d-i could release now, although it's really not quite there |
| 07:39.53 | witless | is it sick to install unstable as the main os on my colocated server? |
| 07:39.54 | tom_elam | can --force-depends be used to fix dependency problems? do i also need to reinstall? |
| 07:39.54 | gravity | X4.3 needs to come out and move to testing (hopefully fast) |
| 07:39.55 | loudspeaker | gravity, /etc/X11/.xsession-errors? |
| 07:40.06 | gravity | loudspeaker: No. ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:40.07 | helix | gravity: if it could just wait a little longer.. til, say, march 27th.. my life would eb great :) |
| 07:40.10 | jetscreamer | gravity latest problem was i couldn't get off the select mirror screen naturally without cancel |
| 07:40.11 | helix | s/eb/be/ |
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| 07:40.16 | Jordi_ | witless: yep. |
| 07:40.18 | jetscreamer | tried it tyesterday |
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| 07:40.22 | witless | well i just did :-( |
| 07:40.23 | gravity | jetscreamer: beta2? |
| 07:40.28 | patfm | loudspeaker: i have the same problem, but reversed. no gnome. |
| 07:40.30 | holycow | witless, i've heard that one can tunnel over http? |
| 07:40.43 | Jordi_ | witless: good luck with the customers. :) |
| 07:40.45 | holycow | heh :) as long as one port is open,ye shall have access goddamnit! |
| 07:40.55 | jetscreamer | swb dns sux btw |
| 07:41.09 | witless | Jordi_: i'm my only customer, but i'm putting my mail on there (imaps)... |
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| 07:41.19 | helix | jetscreamer: that is a very impressive sentence |
| 07:41.34 | Jordi_ | witless: You pay a colo just to have imap? |
| 07:41.48 | loudspeaker | patfm, Weird eh? |
| 07:41.49 | jetscreamer | i remember you would take my using the word sux as a sign of inttelligenc |
| 07:41.51 | jetscreamer | e |
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| 07:42.07 | patfm | loudspeaker: yes, particularly since it was working before : ) |
| 07:42.07 | witless | no, for web stuff too, and i have some ideas i'd like to play with - but having someone crack my mail is the only thing i'd be real concerned about |
| 07:42.07 | vividan | Jordi_: wondershaper is awesome! :) |
| 07:42.10 | jachis | k pasa |
| 07:42.19 | byj_lyf | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:42.23 | jetscreamer | but it's still true, local dns server way faster net response time than my swb dns |
| 07:42.27 | Jordi_ | helix: Have you seen that O'Reilly C book? The one that explains the sentence "Now I understand the difference between and and and and"? |
| 07:42.28 | loudspeaker | gravity, Persion denied ... what exactly do I do to change permission (i'm in root too) |
| 07:42.39 | gravity | loudspeaker: Permission? |
| 07:42.41 | gravity | loudspeaker: For what? |
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| 07:42.45 | loudspeaker | patfm, hehe Very odd |
| 07:42.51 | helix | Jordi_: heh, nah.. |
| 07:42.52 | Jordi_ | vividan: I know! I love it too, it does wonders here. |
| 07:42.55 | helix | sounds like i'm missing out |
| 07:42.57 | patfm | loudspeaker: but that's the least of my troubles at the moment : ) |
| 07:43.05 | byj_lyf | why do you speak english? |
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| 07:43.23 | gravity | helix: I don't need no steeenking heart! |
| 07:43.24 | loudspeaker | gravity, I typed in ~/.xsession-errors .... Came up permission denied. |
| 07:43.28 | vividan | Jordi_: now I just hope my school and my work didn't mind me sucking their bandwidth for testing :\ |
| 07:43.31 | jetscreamer | english? you mean this is frickin english? i thought it was esperantto |
| 07:43.33 | gravity | loudspeaker: Read it. |
| 07:43.35 | gravity | loudspeaker: Don't run it |
| 07:43.44 | helix | gravity: you do need joy division though |
| 07:43.50 | gravity | helix: True :-) |
| 07:44.06 | witless | any recommendations for a good general-purpose PC hardware vendor? |
| 07:44.06 | gravity | helix: Although it's U2 atm, but who knows what will come up next on my monster playlist? :-) |
| 07:44.11 | loudspeaker | gravity, Doh. Excuse my inability to think atm. |
| 07:44.18 | byj_lyf | I'm spanish woman |
| 07:44.23 | Jordi_ | vividan: For testing downloads, you mean? Suck AOL's. |
| 07:44.36 | gravity | loudspeaker: No problem |
| 07:44.40 | helix | byj_lyf: are you a cuban blond? |
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| 07:44.51 | Jordi_ | helix: :P |
| 07:44.52 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 07:44.53 | vividan | Jordi_: mostly uploads... my roomate leaves kaza on with uploads alot and is my main source of problems |
| 07:44.53 | streuner | byj_lyf: with first name 'hugo'? |
| 07:44.55 | Active2 | hehe :D |
| 07:45.03 | loudspeaker | gravity, Looks like an IO error. How do I fix that in Linux? |
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| 07:45.38 | Jordi_ | vividan: Uf. My bruddah used to do the same. |
| 07:45.45 | gravity | loudspeaker: I don't know. I'd have to see the actual error to even begin to attack it |
| 07:45.47 | helix | the bitchx messages need to die |
| 07:45.51 | Jordi_ | vividan: Unplugging his cable at nights fixed it. |
| 07:46.02 | jachis | tu puta madre |
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| 07:46.10 | byj_lyf | que dices flipao |
| 07:46.15 | helix | haha |
| 07:46.18 | loudspeaker | gravity, Doesn't give much. kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed |
| 07:46.22 | Jordi_ | jachis: Hey, tranquilo. |
| 07:46.22 | helix | byj_lyf: eres una rubia cubana? |
| 07:46.24 | mesozoic | After much effort, I can't figure out how to get exim to use PAM for auth -- has anyone done this yet? |
| 07:46.24 | vividan | Jordi_: heh, mine gets pissed when I do that... and this is a girl you don't want pissed off |
| 07:46.46 | witless | hey hugo, i hear that rima-tde.net is one big spammer circle-jerk, too. |
| 07:46.48 | gravity | loudspeaker: That's not much at all. I don't know. |
| 07:47.05 | helix | rima-tde.net is in love with #debian |
| 07:47.08 | Jordi_ | vividan: The kid still doesn't know what happens. I guess that when I plug it back it resumes, so it is aaaaall fine. :) |
| 07:47.10 | witless | como se dice "spamming douchebag" en englais? |
| 07:47.13 | gravity | loudspeaker: Other wm's work though? Gnome is fine? |
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| 07:47.23 | vividan | Jordi_: >:) |
| 07:47.28 | gravity | helix: ? |
| 07:47.29 | helix | witless: why are you mixing languages? |
| 07:47.37 | witless | because i'm all mixed up./ |
| 07:47.38 | maddexter | ok i got the apt source from backports.org, what do i do now? apt-get update does not do anything |
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| 07:47.46 | vividan | Jordi_: thanks again for the link |
| 07:47.49 | helix | haha |
| 07:47.50 | witless | ingles englais das machts nichts |
| 07:47.51 | loudspeaker | gravity, Hmm. Well, can't fix everything in one night. ... Gnome is up and running. I wanted to run KDE because my father really likes it. We are both switching over from W2K |
| 07:47.53 | maddexter | how do i update my kernel? |
| 07:48.03 | byj_lyf | because I'sapanish |
| 07:48.03 | mesozoic | witless: a po-russki govorish'? :P |
| 07:48.10 | byj_lyf | spanish |
| 07:48.11 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ok. Take things one at a time. You'll get KDE up at some point. |
| 07:48.14 | helix | maddexter: google for make-kpkg tutorial |
| 07:48.18 | gravity | loudspeaker: Do you have sound? |
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| 07:48.24 | Jordi_ | ??????????? |
| 07:48.25 | gravity | loudspeaker: That could be a problem for KDE |
| 07:48.25 | maddexter | ok |
| 07:48.25 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 07:48.25 | witless | nyet - all i remember is "vadim - tui kuda?" |
| 07:48.27 | maddexter | thanks |
| 07:48.32 | byj_lyf | nothing |
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| 07:48.39 | byj_lyf | I LOVE YOU |
| 07:48.44 | mesozoic | witless: "Vadim, where are you going?" -- odd phrase to know. |
| 07:48.46 | helix | byj_lyf: ya lyublyu tibya |
| 07:48.57 | witless | well, vadim was the man, you know |
| 07:48.57 | loudspeaker | gravity, Just have an onboard sound card, though I haven't set it up yet. I don't think |
| 07:49.06 | helix | i have a cat named vladimir |
| 07:49.08 | helix | !vladi |
| 07:49.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, vladi is http://www.double-helix.org/etc/vlad_shorttail.jpg, or tired |
| 07:49.09 | gravity | loudspeaker: You installed discover, right? |
| 07:49.14 | mesozoic | helix: a my tebya -- now help me set up Exim, hmm? |
| 07:49.17 | loudspeaker | gravity, correct |
| 07:49.19 | witless | although i did have a russian exchange program teacher in high school in the late seventies named genadi gyegtarenko |
| 07:49.24 | jachis | ay alguna tia buena |
| 07:49.28 | helix | mesozoic: no can do, i use postfix |
| 07:49.29 | witless | (dyegtarenko) |
| 07:49.40 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ok, open up a terminal as root and type "adduser username audio" where username is your login name |
| 07:49.42 | helix | mesozoic: but watashemo aishteru, mmmk |
| 07:49.43 | mesozoic | helix: if you tell me postfix can use PAM for auth without a problem, I'll switch. |
| 07:49.48 | byj_lyf | but what do you tell me? |
| 07:49.49 | gravity | loudspeaker: Then log out and try logging in to KDE again |
| 07:49.51 | mesozoic | helix: nihongo o wakarimasen |
| 07:49.55 | helix | mesozoic: i don't use pam :( |
| 07:50.05 | witless | your omlettes must stick real bad. |
| 07:50.07 | byj_lyf | pamelax |
| 07:50.13 | witless | (omelettes) |
| 07:50.13 | gravity | jeje |
| 07:50.16 | gravity | hehe even |
| 07:50.19 | mesozoic | helix: I just want auth made simple. Exim auth is not simple. |
| 07:50.19 | helix | witless: nah - i have vegan butter |
| 07:50.33 | byj_lyf | what's your name? |
| 07:50.34 | jachis | ay españoles |
| 07:50.36 | witless | well, i'm vegetarian but i can't give up the cheese. |
| 07:50.43 | Jordi_ | jachis: No. |
| 07:50.47 | witless | gotsa have my cheese pizza |
| 07:50.47 | loudspeaker | gravity, Hmm. I logged out of X and now can't get back in. Same stupid mouse problem. |
| 07:50.48 | helix | gravity: at least tonight has been productive.. you have learned about 10 new languages |
| 07:50.54 | carbon | i'm looking for actively maintained programs in the spirit of tkdesk... anybody know of a good one? |
| 07:51.00 | helix | witless: yeah, cheese is hard.. no good vegan replacements really :/ |
| 07:51.01 | loudspeaker | gravity, I'll work on it. |
| 07:51.02 | gravity | helix: Right :-) |
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| 07:51.06 | byj_lyf | chopc |
| 07:51.09 | helix | witless: but vegan gourmet cheese *does* melt and taste good.. |
| 07:51.09 | byj_lyf | chocho |
| 07:51.14 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ok. That mouse thing shouldn't have tripped you up more than once. |
| 07:51.20 | gravity | Once it works, it should just work |
| 07:51.25 | witless | soy cheese just doesn't um cut it so to speal |
| 07:51.27 | witless | speak |
| 07:51.31 | gravity | But then, I know nothing about weird wireless mice |
| 07:51.46 | byj_lyf | are you cheese? |
| 07:51.49 | helix | witless: well, most soy cheese isn't vegan anyways - it has casein |
| 07:51.52 | witless | yo soy cheese |
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| 07:51.59 | helix | hahahaha |
| 07:52.03 | loudspeaker | gravity, Nah, I plugged in a standard optical mouse. That was what the reboot was for. |
| 07:52.04 | helix | wow, that was funny |
| 07:52.07 | byj_lyf | jajaj |
| 07:52.12 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ah |
| 07:52.19 | byj_lyf | I love you so much |
| 07:52.31 | byj_lyf | I like you |
| 07:52.39 | witless | i often think of debian while enjoying a delectable slice of cheese <-- on-topic |
| 07:52.44 | Zapelius | Anyone know where do I get /usr/share/misc/file/magic.mime with support for OpenOffice.org formats? |
| 07:52.45 | helix | byj_lyf: te amo tambien |
| 07:52.46 | byj_lyf | fauck me |
| 07:52.58 | helix | witless: it's not usually on topic in here this time of night.. |
| 07:53.06 | zeeble | byj_lyf fauck you |
| 07:53.08 | helix | of course, that might be because i'm here to derail the conversation |
| 07:53.11 | byj_lyf | open me dialog window |
| 07:53.28 | loudspeaker | gravity, I'll just remove KDE for now. Stupid thing. Gnome I can live with. |
| 07:53.29 | keta | fauck everybody! (good morning) |
| 07:53.30 | witless | especially on sunday nights, which i call "drink jose cuervo until you puke and ramble endlessly night" |
| 07:53.31 | Jordi_ | helix: No te das cuenta de lo que quiere? |
| 07:53.37 | cafuego | well, cheese isn't really bad for the animals, they'd die if they didn't get milked twice a day |
| 07:53.42 | streuner | keta: :-) |
| 07:53.45 | byj_lyf | jordi tu quien eres |
| 07:53.59 | helix | cafuego: they wouldn't be needing to be milked if their children weren't ripped away from them for veal.. |
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| 07:54.07 | witless | helix, +1 |
| 07:54.09 | Jordi_ | witless: I'm with the Federal Bureau of Intoxication. |
| 07:54.13 | cafuego | helix: where i'm from they're not... |
| 07:54.22 | gravity | loudspeaker: Ok. You can get it working again later. Gnome is still pretty good, although I have to admit that the old version isn't that great |
| 07:54.24 | witless | well i assure you i've been doing my patriotic duty in that regard |
| 07:54.31 | helix | cafuego: well.. i'm not in .au :) here, that's the standard course of action |
| 07:54.48 | cafuego | helix: where i'm from is .nl, not .au <heh> |
| 07:54.48 | witless | in fact - brb - another glass of port sounds good |
| 07:54.53 | patfm | gravity: does testing have the newest gnome? |
| 07:54.54 | helix | cafuego: but non-mothers shouldn't product milk - i'm very confused by that assertion in general |
| 07:55.02 | helix | s/product/produce/ |
| 07:55.05 | loudspeaker | gravity, Hmm. Did an apt-get remove kde but it didn't seem to remove it. Anything else I should try? |
| 07:55.20 | byj_lyf | where do you from? |
| 07:55.25 | cafuego | helix: my uncle has a dairy farm there, the non-mothers have been bred to produce milk and will die of infection if they don't get milked twice a day |
| 07:55.26 | byj_lyf | ask me please |
| 07:55.32 | gravity | patfm: Mostly, yes |
| 07:55.45 | helix | cafuego: weird, i've never heard of that |
| 07:55.54 | cafuego | helix: frysians |
| 07:55.59 | byj_lyf | where is mostly |
| 07:56.05 | gravity | loudspeaker: Use dselect or aptitude (aptitude is better, imho) and select the packages to remove one by one |
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| 07:56.22 | patfm | http://linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2430.html is the system i bought |
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| 07:56.44 | loudspeaker | gravity, Ahh. Great. Thanks |
| 07:56.46 | cafuego | helix: they produce so much milk that their udders would rupture if they didn't get milked |
| 07:56.58 | gravity | loudspeaker: kde is just a metapackage. It doesn't have anything in it really, so when apt-get tries to remove it, it doesn't actually get rid of anything |
| 07:57.03 | byj_lyf | anyone speak spanish? |
| 07:57.04 | Jordi_ | cafuego: Yuck! |
| 07:57.12 | byj_lyf | what is yuck? |
| 07:57.15 | Jordi_ | byj_lyf: Yo. Que buscas? |
| 07:57.16 | patfm | byj_lyf: yo |
| 07:57.19 | cafuego | helix: of course, whether they should have been bred that way is a different matter... but throwing the milk away would be 'making them suffer for nothing' |
| 07:57.20 | helix | cafuego: whoa - so their milk production doesn't just cease if they aren't milked? |
| 07:57.26 | cafuego | !+spanish |
| 07:57.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 07:57.32 | cafuego | helix: nope |
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| 07:57.38 | keta | byj_lyf: #debian-es speaks spanish |
| 07:57.43 | gravity | loudspeaker: aptitude will actually track things like that for you. So if you tell aptitude to install kde, and it causes it to pull in all of the actual packages of KDE, when you tell aptitude to remove kde it'll remember all the packages it pulled in and will remove those also |
| 07:57.53 | cafuego | helix: Well, maybe it does, but by that time they'd be dead or on the way to being dead. |
| 07:57.54 | gravity | !aptitude |
| 07:57.54 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
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| 07:58.54 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 07:58.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 07:59.03 | bob2 | byj_lyf: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 07:59.13 | Jordi_ | !+??? |
| 07:59.19 | Jordi_ | Ahhh ... |
| 07:59.21 | Jordi_ | :( |
| 07:59.26 | Active2 | hmm is there also a #debian-nl ? |
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| 07:59.30 | byj_lyf | ok but we can't speak with you |
| 07:59.36 | byj_lyf | k |
| 07:59.39 | carbon | or a #debian-jbo? :-) |
| 07:59.39 | byj_lyf | ok |
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| 07:59.41 | witless | whelp, i'm sufficiently liquored up to go mistakenly blow away my team-mates on RTCW:et now. |
| 07:59.52 | byj_lyf | you don't want us |
| 07:59.56 | bob2 | what? |
| 08:00.02 | bob2 | what rae you talking about? |
| 08:00.08 | Active2 | carbon: we can better speak english there are not so much people as here :) |
| 08:00.13 | Jordi_ | witless: Watch out! Last time I drank and used the machine at the same time, I deleted /var ! |
| 08:00.16 | bob2 | if you speak spanish, #debian-es is the place to go |
| 08:00.32 | witless | thanks for the warning. off to battle i go. |
| 08:00.34 | witless | later |
| 08:00.39 | keta | Active2: it's not that difficult to test, /j #debian-nl :) |
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| 08:00.58 | filp | don't you hate it when you don't check you're debian user mail for four days, 800 new messages |
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| 08:01.03 | Active2 | keta: i've tested i :) but there are not much people only one |
| 08:01.08 | filp | s/you're/your |
| 08:01.23 | Active2 | filp: :P |
| 08:01.23 | Jordi_ | filp: Mu |
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| 08:01.30 | Active2 | which mailling list ? |
| 08:01.34 | helix | cafuego: that's sad.. :/ |
| 08:01.41 | filp | Active2: debian-user |
| 08:01.47 | *** part/#debian mateusz (~mateusz@base7.g-net.pl) |
| 08:02.14 | Active2 | filp: aha i'm only on security and security-announce |
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| 08:02.41 | bob2 | byj_lyf: if you want to speak english, you're welcome to stay. |
| 08:02.42 | filp | Active2: after wading through tons of crap I occasionally find some good tips |
| 08:02.52 | filp | Active2: sort of like #debian really |
| 08:02.54 | byj_lyf | thank you |
| 08:03.30 | byj_lyf | you are a good person bob2 |
| 08:04.00 | loudspeaker | gravity, Hmm. I can find the package, but f10 and remove packages doesn't seem to do anything. Am I missing a command? |
| 08:04.16 | Active2 | filp: yes i know but the most things i found myself |
| 08:04.32 | Active2 | byj_lyf: bob2 is a good person :) |
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| 08:04.44 | gravity | loudspeaker: Yeah. Read the User's Manual (or at least the help dialog) in the help manual |
| 08:04.46 | zignig | @pat bob2 |
| 08:04.50 | filp | Active2: last good one I got was ": > file_name" to zero a file |
| 08:05.00 | zinx | filp: you don't need the : |
| 08:05.01 | gravity | loudspeaker: You have to mark the packages to remove |
| 08:05.05 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:05.06 | byj_lyf | we see |
| 08:05.10 | zinx | filp: '>file' works as well |
| 08:05.17 | filp | zinx: cool |
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| 08:05.23 | Active2 | bash scripting :) |
| 08:05.25 | byj_lyf | we are two girls spanish |
| 08:05.28 | filp | zinx: I've been doing "echo "" > filename" for ages |
| 08:05.34 | helix | dos putas |
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| 08:05.47 | Jordi_ | I hate when this thing tells me "your software is up to date". I want upgrades, dammit! :) |
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| 08:05.50 | Active2 | helix: two girls hehe |
| 08:05.55 | Jordi_ | helix: Algo asi. |
| 08:06.03 | helix | dos idiotas |
| 08:06.08 | keta | cafuego: I think that need of being milked is due to evolution, as many domestic/farm animals which wouldn't be able to live without being "cured" by man, as horses which need to get ironed (it's said so?) to get stand. |
| 08:06.16 | jachis | tontos |
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| 08:06.55 | byj_lyf | tu si que eres gilipollas |
| 08:07.07 | byj_lyf | helix: |
| 08:07.08 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 08:07.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 08:07.41 | keta | byj_lyf: can you sing me something of Tonino Carotone? |
| 08:07.47 | Jordi_ | bob2: You really have a low tolerance for that, right? |
| 08:07.55 | Active2 | keta: :P |
| 08:08.02 | helix | Jordi_: that's his favorite factoid |
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| 08:08.10 | bob2 | Jordi_: people speaking spanish often turns into "massive crapflood from retards" |
| 08:08.12 | helix | he has a fetish for spanish girls |
| 08:08.13 | gravity | !bob2 |
| 08:08.14 | dpkg | i guess bob2 is a donkey abuser!, or not your mother, or http://www.lgu.org/photohim02/pages/bob2.htm, or "an old man with no hair", according to himself, or my dog's name, or a fairly successful track and field athlete (http://www.birchfieldharriers.org/roadtosydney/profiles/rweir.htm), or a sneaky troll, or http://gamp.mine.nu/apt-x, or a how now brown cow, or , or a friendly helpful man unlike sussudio, or no fun, or a lemon meringue pie |
| 08:08.24 | helix | jeez bob2 has a long factoid |
| 08:08.29 | gravity | Wow |
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| 08:08.34 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 08:08.36 | helix | !gravity |
| 08:08.36 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover |
| 08:08.40 | loudspeaker | gravity, A little odd at first, but it works. Thanks |
| 08:08.45 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:08.47 | Jordi_ | I didn't even know those thingees were called that. |
| 08:08.56 | helix | gravity: your factoid sucks in comparison to teh bob2 |
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| 08:09.02 | bob2 | Jordi_: plus, #debian-es exists for a reason |
| 08:09.04 | gravity | bob2: Is that birchfield harriers page really about you? |
| 08:09.11 | helix | mine probably sucks in comparison to yours though |
| 08:09.12 | helix | !helix |
| 08:09.13 | dpkg | leave her alone. |
| 08:09.19 | gravity | loudspeaker: Cool. It'll be your best friend in Debian one day :-) |
| 08:09.20 | Jordi_ | bob2: I know, I know. That person, however, has no interest in Debian at all. |
| 08:09.25 | bob2 | gravity: yes, I'm a middle-aged man from the American midwest. |
| 08:09.36 | gravity | bob2: Ah, missed that part :-) |
| 08:09.42 | bob2 | oi! |
| 08:09.46 | gravity | Hehe |
| 08:09.47 | GhostDawg | bob2, sound like me |
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| 08:10.08 | loudspeaker | gravity, =P I bet. Well hey, I'm off to bed. I need to be able to think in the morning, but thanks a great deal. I owe you one. |
| 08:10.11 | jachis | ccome mierdas |
| 08:10.16 | bob2 | gravity: there's only one actual picture of me online, afaik |
| 08:10.19 | GhostDawg | middle-age man from the american midwest |
| 08:10.21 | gravity | loudspeaker: No problem. It's good to help :-) |
| 08:10.23 | helix | ;) |
| 08:10.30 | gravity | bob2: Where? I have yet to see it |
| 08:10.33 | bob2 | Jordi_: which makes it even more annoying, which is why I tell them to go away |
| 08:10.33 | kandinski | bob2: on the Internet noone knows you are a dog |
| 08:10.40 | bob2 | gravity: it's a s3rk1t |
| 08:10.43 | bob2 | kandinski: shush! |
| 08:10.45 | gravity | Damn |
| 08:10.48 | helix | a circuit? |
| 08:10.53 | patfm | kandinski: are yuo kandinski kandinski? |
| 08:10.58 | kandinski | yes |
| 08:11.01 | Jordi_ | helix: jajajajajajaja! |
| 08:11.04 | patfm | like, quercus quercus? : ) |
| 08:11.06 | patfm | ello |
| 08:11.08 | helix | i didn't think that sentence was in english at first |
| 08:11.10 | kandinski | I lurk a lot |
| 08:11.11 | Jordi_ | (can I laugh in es?) |
| 08:11.17 | helix | Jordi_: si tu quieres :) |
| 08:11.31 | Jordi_ | :PP~ |
| 08:11.33 | byj_lyf | keta:what do you want to sing you? |
| 08:11.50 | loudspeaker | GNight everyone. Thanks a million for everyone who decided to putup with a dont know anything linux user. Hopefully after my first class coming up I'll be more bearable. =P |
| 08:12.02 | patfm | night loudspeaker |
| 08:12.09 | helix | loudspeaker: boa noite |
| 08:12.14 | Jordi_ | Niight! |
| 08:12.16 | patfm | good luck... we can commiserate : ) |
| 08:12.18 | helix | loudspeaker: we like nice newbies |
| 08:12.27 | patfm | helix vc fala portugues tambem? heh |
| 08:12.33 | loudspeaker | I feel so loved! =) |
| 08:12.34 | Jordi_ | !+portuguese |
| 08:12.34 | dpkg | methinks portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:12.44 | helix | damn, there are a lot of multilingual people here |
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| 08:13.01 | helix | patfm: only a little bit.. i am too |
| 08:13.03 | loudspeaker | helix, Thanks. =) |
| 08:13.08 | helix | patfm: trying to learn it right now |
| 08:13.14 | byj_lyf | but what do you tell me |
| 08:13.17 | patfm | my favorite language |
| 08:13.23 | Jordi_ | Poliglotas minha querida, poliglotas. |
| 08:13.24 | helix | patfm: i was unaware vc was the abbreviation fro voce though |
| 08:13.26 | helix | s/fro/for/ |
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| 08:13.32 | byj_lyf | the best language of the world is spanis |
| 08:13.32 | patfm | helix: only on the web. |
| 08:13.35 | byj_lyf | h |
| 08:13.42 | patfm | byj_lyf: yes of course : ) |
| 08:13.43 | helix | patfm: right.. kind of like 'k' for 'que' in spanish |
| 08:13.48 | bob2 | ~win english |
| 08:13.51 | | Congratulations, english! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 08:13.53 | Jordi_ | helix: It is not, is just slang. |
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| 08:14.13 | helix | Jordi_: well, you know what i mean.. |
| 08:14.14 | byj_lyf | english is too a beatufil idiom |
| 08:14.18 | helix | i don't much abbreviate anyways |
| 08:14.20 | Jordi_ | helix: I use "ce" :) |
| 08:14.23 | helix | even english |
| 08:14.26 | helix | Jordi_: ah |
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| 08:14.41 | Jordi_ | helix: Y Not? U not like it? |
| 08:14.47 | suzzi | hi all any one know of a handy way to remove dups in a mbox, i have procmail and mutt installed if that helps |
| 08:14.47 | Jordi_ | Ok, nevermind. |
| 08:14.48 | helix | bob2: you know you want to learn another language |
| 08:14.54 | helix | Jordi_: heh |
| 08:15.04 | Active2 | so a virus check over the samba fileserver... |
| 08:15.05 | bob2 | helix: en francois! |
| 08:15.43 | helix | bob2: le papier hygenique.. non je ne regrette rien! |
| 08:16.00 | bob2 | is that something about toilet paper? |
| 08:16.03 | byj_lyf | write us please |
| 08:16.06 | helix | bob2: yes |
| 08:16.21 | helix | i have officially exhausted la lexicon francais |
| 08:16.27 | Jordi_ | Je ne parle pa france. Or is it je ne parle france pa? Ah, nevermind. |
| 08:16.44 | gravity | It turns me on |
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| 08:16.45 | helix | Jordi_: je n'cest pas.. or something |
| 08:16.47 | bob2 | byj_lyf: do you want to talk about Debian, in English? |
| 08:16.48 | byj_lyf | je parle parle rance |
| 08:16.50 | helix | :P |
| 08:16.51 | byj_lyf | france |
| 08:17.00 | rdancer | parle pas; hehe ;) |
| 08:17.12 | Jordi_ | |_33t 5p34|< ! |
| 08:17.13 | rdancer | francais ;) |
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| 08:17.14 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 08:17.23 | helix | !hug language nerds |
| 08:17.24 | gravity | Jordi_: Oh baby! |
| 08:17.28 | helix | we need it |
| 08:17.33 | rdancer | mais ca ete understandable, anyway ;) |
| 08:17.33 | gravity | heh |
| 08:17.35 | Jordi_ | gravity: hahahahaha! |
| 08:18.17 | byj_lyf | bob2 yes |
| 08:18.17 | patfm | gravity: have you tried pimsleur? i like those. |
| 08:18.17 | helix | gravity: study the alphabet first - cyrillic is kind of.. scary |
| 08:18.17 | patfm | god, i'm getting so distracted : ) |
| 08:18.17 | gravity | patfm: No. I'll look for it though :-) |
| 08:18.19 | helix | i like my portuguese books |
| 08:18.21 | tom_elam | is there a way, short of reinstalling Debian, to fix aptitude problems with ... (see #flood)? |
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| 08:18.28 | gravity | helix: Yeah, but it's just an alphabet. |
| 08:18.31 | rdancer | well one has to know a _real_ language ... njn, cestina neni skutecny jazyk... |
| 08:18.34 | helix | gravity: "living language" books have everything - audio/books |
| 08:18.47 | gravity | helix: Cool. I'll look for that too |
| 08:18.53 | tom_elam | and how can i know my Debian packages are all installed correctly? |
| 08:18.57 | helix | gravity: sure. but it's not too easy to memorize |
| 08:19.00 | gravity | helix: I'll probably spend the last of my Barnes & Noble gift money on that |
| 08:19.14 | gravity | helix: Yeah, but you just do it. Practice reading it out loud and it'll come |
| 08:19.27 | bob2 | tom_elam: debsums |
| 08:19.27 | suzzi | any one up for answering an email question? removing dups from mbox, othter then just deleteing them with mutt? |
| 08:19.34 | helix | gravity: the hardest part (for me) is to associate the letters with sounds.. |
| 08:19.44 | bob2 | tom_elam: what's the actual error? |
| 08:19.51 | helix | gravity: but maybe you know a little hebrew - i've only been exposed to romantic language alphabets.. |
| 08:19.55 | bob2 | suzzi: you can have a hook ni mutt which delets dupes when yuo open a mailbox |
| 08:19.57 | byj_lyf | write us |
| 08:19.59 | gravity | helix: Yeah. I had to learn that for hebrew though, so I know how to learn it |
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| 08:20.06 | gravity | helix: Just read out loud. Over and over and over. |
| 08:20.11 | Jordi_ | suzzi: http://perlmonks.thepen.com/293415.html |
| 08:20.11 | gravity | helix: Simple as that. |
| 08:20.14 | helix | gravity: you have me beat then :) |
| 08:20.16 | helix | ok |
| 08:20.20 | gravity | :-) |
| 08:20.27 | tom_elam | bob2: i don't know, but when i did a `g' in aptitude, it told me of the errors last thing before it rested. |
| 08:20.31 | patfm | when i do apt-get -f install, i get "Errors were coountered while processing... xmesa3-gl...." |
| 08:20.40 | byj_lyf | what's your names? |
| 08:20.41 | Jordi_ | helix: Nihongo is not romantic, come on. |
| 08:20.53 | helix | Jordi_: haha |
| 08:20.55 | bob2 | byj_lyf: this isn't really a general chat channel. |
| 08:20.57 | suzzi | cool thanks Jordi_ and bob2, bob2 is there a place that i can read up on writing that hook or is it hidden in the examples somewhere. |
| 08:21.08 | helix | bob2: good luck convincing anyone of that right now.. |
| 08:21.09 | bob2 | suzzi: no idea. google probably knows. |
| 08:21.58 | Jordi_ | hehehehe ... |
| 08:22.09 | byj_lyf | do you speak about your jobs? |
| 08:22.12 | Jordi_ | This is the less Debian night of #debian that I've seen. |
| 08:22.19 | suzzi | bob2: cool thanks |
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| 08:22.38 | Jordi_ | Or should I've said Debianish? :) |
| 08:22.44 | tom_elam | bob2: when i look at one of the problem packages, i find it's in a Broken state. |
| 08:22.57 | bob2 | tom_elam: try running "apt-get -f install" |
| 08:23.02 | bob2 | tom_elam: are you using sid? |
| 08:23.06 | helix | Jordi_: GMT -5 around 2-5am is the worst |
| 08:23.07 | Shadur | Hmm, did the new libgnutls break mutt's imaps in sid? |
| 08:23.08 | helix | IMO |
| 08:23.08 | byj_lyf | bo2:thank you very much |
| 08:23.20 | bob2 | Shadur: if it did, file a bug |
| 08:23.33 | Jordi_ | helix: You live in GMT -5? |
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| 08:23.42 | Shadur | bob2: I will once I'm sure. |
| 08:23.55 | tom_elam | bob2: it depends upon a lot of packages that are `not installable'. |
| 08:24.22 | bob2 | tom_elam: are you running unstable? how did you get into this mess? |
| 08:25.17 | Shadur | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.18 | Jordi_ | bob2: Sounds like a father talking to the son after he gets a ticket for driving drunk. |
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| 08:26.07 | JosephSpiros | hmm, anyone have any personal experience running Debian on a SPARCstation, and it's performance compared to Solaris? |
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| 08:26.30 | Jordi_ | JosephSpiros: I run it on UltraSPARC. |
| 08:26.51 | tom_elam | bob2: i admit it: i have messed up my sources-list, first from stable to unstable, then to testing. |
| 08:26.54 | Jordi_ | JosephSpiros: On the lower end ones, it is much, much better than Solaris. |
| 08:27.05 | tom_elam | bob2: basically i didn't know any better. |
| 08:27.06 | Shadur | bob2: False alarm. Looks like mutt switched from using libgnutls7 to libgnutls10 for SSL, and I didn't have the latter installed yet -- and since it's a Recommends rather than a Depends, it didn't get automatically installed |
| 08:27.20 | Jordi_ | tom_elam: You can't downgrade. Unless I'm missing something obvious. |
| 08:27.41 | helix | Jordi_: i think so - US eastern time |
| 08:27.41 | patfm | tom_elam: i did exactly the same thing |
| 08:28.01 | patfm | tom_elam: is your apt-get still working at all? |
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| 08:28.04 | patfm | (mine's not) |
| 08:28.24 | Jordi_ | patfm: At least you didn't delete /var. :P |
| 08:28.24 | tom_elam | patfm: yes. |
| 08:28.45 | patfm | Jordi_: no, i didn't do that : ) |
| 08:28.54 | helix | i did that once :( |
| 08:29.06 | patfm | tom_elam: well that's good |
| 08:29.08 | suzzi | bob2: Thanks so much for pointing me to google, i found some stuff about it, dont know why i didnt think to google it up first... i think that i'm about 2 cups of coffee from thinking clearly, thanks again =) |
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| 08:29.14 | Jordi_ | Me too. Drunk. My worst *NIX mistake. |
| 08:29.15 | marinos | if you delete etc youll have more fun |
| 08:29.32 | marinos | id did that once |
| 08:29.33 | helix | Jordi_: mine was a botched attempt at moving it to another partition |
| 08:29.42 | Jordi_ | helix: Mine too. |
| 08:29.47 | helix | heh |
| 08:29.52 | Jordi_ | To another disk, actually. While drunk. |
| 08:29.57 | helix | oops :) |
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| 08:30.04 | Jordi_ | disk, disc? I never know. |
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| 08:30.19 | bob2 | Shadur: ah |
| 08:30.25 | helix | compact disc, hard disk |
| 08:30.28 | bob2 | suzzi: heh, np. |
| 08:30.36 | Jordi_ | helix: uh? |
| 08:30.39 | bob2 | tom_elam: oh, you're probably screwed then. |
| 08:30.41 | tom_elam | Jordi_: i just changed my sources.list & reran aptitude. |
| 08:30.52 | XpTerminator | morning |
| 08:30.53 | patfm | Jordi_: http://google-fight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=disk&q2=disc&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us |
| 08:30.53 | Jordi_ | helix: And floppies? |
| 08:30.57 | tom_elam | bob2: what if i uninstall & reinstall? |
| 08:31.08 | tom_elam | bob2: individual packages, that is. |
| 08:31.12 | helix | Jordi_: disk |
| 08:31.22 | patfm | tom_elam: did you start with stable? i don't have aptitude on my stable install. |
| 08:31.24 | Shadur | bob2: installing libgnutls10 fixes the problem |
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| 08:31.36 | tom_elam | patfm: yes, i did. |
| 08:31.51 | Jordi_ | disk wins! |
| 08:31.59 | patfm | tom_elam: so you, uh, apt-got aptitude? |
| 08:32.12 | tom_elam | patfm: iirc |
| 08:32.20 | patfm | Jordi_: google knows all |
| 08:32.24 | patfm | tom_elam: i see. |
| 08:32.28 | Jordi_ | apt-got, that's cute. |
| 08:32.41 | bob2 | patfm: aptitude is in stable |
| 08:32.52 | bob2 | tom_elam: you could purge all the broken packages and reinstall them |
| 08:32.54 | patfm | bob2: oh... hmm. |
| 08:33.18 | Unfrgiven | i have a linux machine as an access point. now i set an encryption key with "iwconfig eth0 key s:test123". on the client machine what should I be using as the WEP key? "test123" doesnt seem to be working. |
| 08:33.22 | helix | apt-got is much cuter than apt-getted |
| 08:33.22 | bob2 | tom_elam: it's going ot be long and painful, however, and I don't have time to walk you through it all. |
| 08:33.34 | helix | my cat is interfering with my access to the keyboard |
| 08:34.06 | tom_elam | bob2: ok. any docs that specifically are appropriate or any sections of docs? |
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| 08:35.17 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: hey dude. you around? |
| 08:35.30 | Jordi_ | helix: My problem with apt-get is that I keep typing "apt get package". |
| 08:35.30 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: yes, the same key for all the network. i assume it works ok without WEP. haven't you set another keys? have you this key selected, actualy? |
| 08:35.44 | helix | Jordi_: easy enough to correct |
| 08:36.12 | Jordi_ | helix: I assume that "get" already implies "go get it". |
| 08:36.18 | helix | heh, no |
| 08:36.21 | Jordi_ | And I forget the install part. |
| 08:36.22 | Jordi_ | :P |
| 08:36.24 | helix | there are a lot of sub-commands :) |
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| 08:36.41 | Jordi_ | I know. My fingers, however, always forget. |
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| 08:37.20 | Jordi_ | I've also tried to do dpkg --reconfigure. |
| 08:37.24 | Jordi_ | :( |
| 08:37.26 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: yes it works without having WEP encryption. and im sure that ive selected the right key, its the only key set |
| 08:37.31 | helix | Jordi_: i've done that too |
| 08:37.37 | helix | and then i'm like.. *doh* |
| 08:37.39 | ClintZ28 | What package contains xfree86 development files? |
| 08:37.46 | Active2 | xlibs-dev |
| 08:37.57 | Jordi_ | helix: And was it like ... bleeep bleep bleep? |
| 08:38.01 | ClintZ28 | thanks |
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| 08:38.14 | EQUIPO_A | ola!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:38.17 | Jordi_ | helix: :D |
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| 08:38.22 | helix | haha |
| 08:38.23 | Jordi_ | bob2!! |
| 08:38.36 | helix | what was that girls name? ellen? |
| 08:38.40 | helix | she's famous. |
| 08:38.43 | Jordi_ | Come on man! spanish factoid! |
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| 08:38.55 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: maybe one device is uncapable of encryption, or one is 128bit, while the other less bits (Orinoco gold/silver/bronze)? |
| 08:39.01 | helix | these rima-tde people speak the worst spanish ever |
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| 08:39.16 | Jordi_ | wth is rima-tde ? |
| 08:39.28 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: good point. ill look into that right away |
| 08:39.30 | helix | Jordi_: the isp or whatever that the spanish trolls come from..it's in spain |
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| 08:39.38 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: or maybe there are other options to the encryption/authentication protocol, that mismatch? |
| 08:39.43 | Jordi_ | helix: Oh. |
| 08:39.44 | Mobil | I have uninstalled tar with apt-get remove, but I can't install it again with apt-get install. How can I get it again? |
| 08:40.02 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: such as? my client is a windows xp machine... |
| 08:40.04 | helix | Mobil: what kinds of errors do you get? |
| 08:40.13 | Jordi_ | helix: Well, they probably speak spanish like the AOL trolls speak english. |
| 08:40.16 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 08:40.19 | helix | Jordi_: indeed they do |
| 08:40.22 | bob2 | Jordi_: this is what I was refering to |
| 08:40.32 | helix | Jordi_: they come in here, spamming the channel.. |
| 08:40.47 | helix | which is unfortunate because no one is willing to ban an entire ISP |
| 08:40.49 | Jordi_ | bob2: :) |
| 08:41.00 | la_chuly | hellooooooooooooo |
| 08:41.03 | bob2 | helix: we can't, there are non-retards from there in here as well |
| 08:41.03 | Jordi_ | helix: I know. |
| 08:41.06 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: heh, it rather is a marketroids-driven mayhem; do you really need to use wep anyway? |
| 08:41.08 | bob2 | la_chuly: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 08:41.09 | helix | bob2: i know |
| 08:41.38 | Jordi_ | Woooooo ... my lag meter just went sky high! |
| 08:41.58 | Trewas | was there some tool for removing restrictions (can't print, copy or whatever) from pdf files? |
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| 08:42.07 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: im very paranoid about security |
| 08:42.27 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: win xp security :))))) lol |
| 08:42.33 | Jordi_ | Trewas: yes. |
| 08:42.37 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: wep security lol |
| 08:42.38 | bob2 | Trewas: xpdf can, but you need to patch it yourself |
| 08:43.06 | protoloco | how do i turn down the volumen of the beep ?? |
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| 08:43.32 | Trewas | Jordi_: happen to know name of such program? |
| 08:43.42 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: what would you suggest i do for security then? i know xp security sux but thats why a linux machine is the access point |
| 08:43.46 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: wep is little more than obfuscation; google for wep attack[s] |
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| 08:44.11 | hramrach | protoloco: remove the PC speaker from your case:) |
| 08:44.12 | helix | i'm developing a hatred for the letter 'x' |
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| 08:44.31 | SlayerXP | morning Netty |
| 08:44.35 | protoloco | hramrach, i just wanna turn down the volumen .. heh |
| 08:44.36 | helix | hi retard |
| 08:44.43 | SlayerXP | *blush* |
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| 08:44.50 | hramrach | protoloco: solder in a resistor :) |
| 08:44.51 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: it's as secure as the weakest link... if you are just paranoid, get some life ;) |
| 08:44.54 | SlayerXP | helix: don't be nice to me so early in the morning. |
| 08:45.12 | helix | :) |
| 08:45.36 | helix | SlayerXP: the boys are getting fixed on wednesday |
| 08:45.37 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: lets assume im goin with wep for the moment. now for iwconfig, i specified s:test1, what should i specify on the windows client? cuz "test1" isnt working. does it convert the string into something else? as in hash it? and maybe i need to put the hashed value into my windows client? |
| 08:45.37 | Jordi_ | Trewas: Nevermind. I was confusing it with the stuff Sklyarov wrote. |
| 08:45.55 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: you can't have security and xp on the same network :( |
| 08:46.13 | kawfee | helix: hi |
| 08:46.25 | |Mobil| | I can't install tar after I have uninstalled it. http://www.pastebin.com/35646 |
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| 08:46.27 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: #windows ;) |
| 08:46.27 | helix | hi |
| 08:46.37 | SlayerXP | helix: mmmm, the spinster waits patiently by the tinker's hut |
| 08:46.42 | Active2 | grrr... my find didn't want to die on a kill -9 |
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| 08:47.31 | Jordi_ | Active2: Do a kill -10, then. |
| 08:47.31 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 08:47.31 | Jordi_ | Or a kill -666 |
| 08:47.31 | Jordi_ | hehehe. |
| 08:47.31 | hramrach | protoloco: Sometimes the beeps can be heard through the on-board audio as well so you remove the speaker and set volume on the soundcard. |
| 08:47.33 | Active2 | Jordi_: :P |
| 08:47.41 | Active2 | maybe 6 will |
| 08:47.49 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: try it with linux first, so you know it's xp problem, not a hardware one. |
| 08:47.53 | Jordi_ | Kill -die,youbiatch! |
| 08:47.57 | protoloco | hramrach, i think the volumen is in the sound card, well im on a laptop |
| 08:48.13 | Active2 | and there is no parent process i can kill |
| 08:48.19 | Active2 | i'm fucked... a reboot |
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| 08:48.26 | helix | protoloco: you can probably turn beeping off from within certain applications |
| 08:48.33 | hramrach | protoloco: then use alsamixer/aumix/whatever fits your sound driver. |
| 08:48.36 | helix | protoloco: i.e. with mutt you can set it to no beep |
| 08:48.43 | Jordi_ | Active2: I *love* talking about killing child processes at lunch near the non IT people. |
| 08:48.47 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: its on a laptop and the card dont work in linux. there arent any drivers for it yet. i havent gotten around to trying linuxant yet |
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| 08:49.02 | Active2 | Jordi_: :P |
| 08:49.03 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: card name? |
| 08:49.09 | protoloco | like now is beeping so high cuz you guys are mentioning my nick |
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| 08:49.11 | protoloco | heh |
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| 08:49.24 | Mobil | I can't install tar after I have uninstalled it. http://www.pastebin.com/35646. What can I do? |
| 08:49.26 | helix | protoloco: which irc client? you can turn it off from within the client.. |
| 08:49.43 | EQUIPO_A | eoooooooooooooo |
| 08:49.43 | helix | Mobil: i asked once but i'll ask again: what errors do you get? |
| 08:49.46 | protoloco | helix, xchat, yes i want to, but not so high.. |
| 08:49.48 | protoloco | just a little beep |
| 08:49.50 | protoloco | heh |
| 08:50.04 | Jordi_ | protoloco: It is a laptop? |
| 08:50.05 | helix | protoloco: have you looked through the xchat configuration options? |
| 08:50.05 | Mobil | These errors: http://www.pastebin.com/35646 |
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| 08:50.22 | protoloco | Jordi_, si wey :P |
| 08:50.25 | helix | Mobil: sorry, i have no X or gpm set up - could you just tell me the basic meaning of them? |
| 08:50.32 | Mobil | ok |
| 08:50.39 | protoloco | Jordi_, sorry Yes |
| 08:50.42 | Jordi_ | protoloco: Try the BIOS. You *might* be able to lower the volume there. |
| 08:50.47 | Mobil | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or director |
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| 08:50.56 | protoloco | Jordi_, okas :) |
| 08:50.59 | Mobil | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2 |
| 08:51.03 | helix | Mobil: um.. |
| 08:51.05 | Mobil | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.13.25-2_i386.deb |
| 08:51.05 | Mobil | (--unpack): |
| 08:51.05 | dpkg | Mobil: i haven't a clue |
| 08:51.10 | helix | Mobil: how are you trying to install it? |
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| 08:51.15 | helix | with apt-get install? |
| 08:51.19 | Mobil | jep |
| 08:51.22 | Mobil | yes |
| 08:51.22 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: dell truemobile 1300 |
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| 08:51.38 | protoloco | helix, the high is the same, in xchat and when im in a console, that i type the backspace and, there is no more characters to delete.. |
| 08:51.44 | Mobil | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:51.50 | tom_elam | uh, when i go to aptitude's help page (by pressing `?'), i can't find what a capital `A' in the third column of state info means. ? |
| 08:51.50 | helix | Mobil: check in /var/cache/apt/archives and see if the tar .deb is there - then remove it |
| 08:52.02 | Mobil | ok thx |
| 08:52.16 | bob2 | gr/dop |
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| 08:52.34 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Noooooooooo ! |
| 08:52.42 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: ugh!... burn it, throw it away, ... :( |
| 08:52.43 | Mobil | what Jordi_ ? |
| 08:52.44 | helix | SlayerXP: good luck. it's made out of steel. |
| 08:52.53 | Jordi_ | helix: Did I miss anything? He wants to install it! |
| 08:53.00 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: hahaha told u so :P |
| 08:53.02 | helix | Jordi_: ? |
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| 08:53.08 | helix | Jordi_: what's wrong with installing tar? |
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| 08:53.16 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 08:53.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 08:53.23 | bob2 | ulises: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 08:53.30 | helix | haha |
| 08:53.32 | Jordi_ | helix: Don't you need tar to untar a deb? |
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| 08:53.49 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: it likely is an OEM, however |
| 08:53.50 | helix | Jordi_: oh shit, do you? |
| 08:53.56 | lynux | i am having big problems removing a package. how do i make apt-get think something is not installed when apt-get -f install fails me :'( |
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| 08:53.59 | Jordi_ | helix: I'm guessing. |
| 08:54.02 | helix | Jordi_: he already removed it. |
| 08:54.02 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: you're doomed ;) |
| 08:54.15 | bob2 | lynux: what have you done? |
| 08:54.15 | Jordi_ | helix: Ooops. |
| 08:54.22 | helix | Jordi_: and whatever .deb was in there wouldn't install |
| 08:54.22 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: surely there must be a way to get WEP working |
| 08:54.28 | Jordi_ | Gotcha. |
| 08:54.41 | helix | Jordi_: i'm thinking that if it was necessary to the system he wouldn't have been able to remove it at all.. |
| 08:54.49 | helix | kind of like trying to remove.. dpkg |
| 08:54.57 | lynux | bob2: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and now wu-imapd hates me. |
| 08:55.00 | Jordi_ | I know a deb is an ar with tarballs inside. But I don't if dpkg knows how to untar a tar. |
| 08:55.06 | kawfee | bob2: hi |
| 08:55.16 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: must != is ;( |
| 08:55.17 | la_chuly | hi hi |
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| 08:55.19 | helix | Jordi_: well, to be honest, i'm not too sure what's all inside a .deb |
| 08:55.21 | kawfee | bob2: why do you have that funny @ symbol next to your name? |
| 08:55.25 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: must be != is ;( |
| 08:55.28 | glaucon | hey, anybody using the latest ati 3.7.0 drivers? |
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| 08:55.41 | Jordi_ | helix: Its a compressed ar archive with tarballs inside. |
| 08:55.46 | jm_ | kawfee: it indicates he can kick like a kangaroo |
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| 08:55.55 | Jordi_ | Or an ar archive with compressed tarballs. |
| 08:55.56 | helix | jm_: hahaha |
| 08:55.59 | Jordi_ | Can't remember. |
| 08:56.00 | kawfee | jm_: I don't believe you. |
| 08:56.00 | Active2 | ah now i c the problem in dmesg i c a oops (Null pointer dereference) |
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| 08:56.05 | Active2 | bad memory probably |
| 08:56.08 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: ill find a way |
| 08:56.13 | helix | Jordi_: i only know it has .tgz files.. but i thought it had precompiled binaries |
| 08:56.13 | Jordi_ | Mobil: How did you remove tar? |
| 08:56.15 | jm_ | kawfee: there's no need to |
| 08:56.17 | helix | but what do i know |
| 08:56.33 | Mobil | Jordi_ I used: apt-get remove tar |
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| 08:56.38 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: afa it's a windows problem, i'm not willing to assist (not that i was capable of) |
| 08:56.40 | la_chuly | anybody speak spanish? |
| 08:56.44 | Jordi_ | Mobil: And it didn't complain or anything? |
| 08:56.48 | helix | la_chuly: of course. #debian-es |
| 08:56.50 | helix | go -> |
| 08:56.52 | Mobil | no, Jordi_ |
| 08:56.54 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: :( |
| 08:57.01 | bob2 | la_chuly: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 08:57.02 | Trewas | debian's xpdf seems to ignore the pdf restrictions so I could print it to .ps and then convert it to pdf again, in case anyone else was interested :) |
| 08:57.02 | kawfee | jm_: kangaroos don't kick, they hop |
| 08:57.04 | Mobil | But it sure does now :/ |
| 08:57.13 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: fair enuf... like i said, u watch. ill find a way :) thanks for ur help tho |
| 08:57.18 | Jordi_ | Well, I guess helix is right then. Just go ahead and delete /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.13.25-2_i386.deb |
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| 08:57.21 | helix | Mobil: why did you remove tar in the first place? |
| 08:57.24 | bob2 | Trewas: hah, nice |
| 08:57.26 | Mobil | ok |
| 08:57.28 | bob2 | EQUIPO_A: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 08:57.38 | protoloco | What is for ngrep ?? |
| 08:57.39 | helix | bob2: it's great to see you bilingual |
| 08:57.48 | Mobil | helix: because there were many .tar files I couldn't unpack |
| 08:57.57 | helix | Mobil: ? |
| 08:58.00 | helix | Mobil: so it wasn't working? |
| 08:58.00 | kawfee | bob2: Tu hablas? |
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| 08:58.09 | helix | el no habla espanol.. |
| 08:58.15 | helix | el es un.. imposter! |
| 08:58.19 | kawfee | helix: No se. |
| 08:58.23 | Jordi_ | yo tampoco hablo. helix tampoco. |
| 08:58.37 | streuner | EQUPO_A: are you the user 'usario' wh troll every day at this time? |
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| 08:58.42 | Jordi_ | nadie habla. Somos todos hispano-ignorantes. :) |
| 08:58.48 | Mobil | helix: some files did work. But only half |
| 08:58.49 | helix | haha |
| 08:58.52 | kawfee | Jordi_: ! |
| 08:58.58 | dobby | how can i send a message to a linux user in the same system? |
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| 08:59.05 | Jordi_ | Sorry bob2. |
| 08:59.06 | helix | Mobil: i'm kind of confused, to be honest with you - it sounds like the symptom of a bigger problem |
| 08:59.06 | bob2 | dobby: "talk" or "write" |
| 08:59.07 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 08:59.13 | kawfee | dobby: telegram |
| 08:59.16 | dobby | bob2 thanks |
| 08:59.35 | rdancer | Unfrgiven: I have ~80s lag here ;-OO |
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| 09:00.58 | Jordi_ | helix: The Coral here. :P |
| 09:01.09 | Mobil | helix and Jordi_: How do I install tar again? I can't use apt-get install tar |
| 09:01.10 | kawfee | helix: Got music? |
| 09:01.18 | helix | mana here |
| 09:01.22 | kawfee | Mobil: a tar or tar>? |
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| 09:01.28 | Jordi_ | Mobil: It still doesn't work? |
| 09:01.35 | kawfee | bob2: welcome back! |
| 09:01.37 | helix | kawfee: he uninstalled tar because he couldn't untar some things and now it won't reinstall |
| 09:01.38 | Mobil | No, but I have deleted the file |
| 09:01.43 | kawfee | helix: haha |
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| 09:01.49 | streuner | helix: mana revolution? that's cool. |
| 09:01.55 | bob2 | Mobil: you removed "tar"? |
| 09:02.00 | kawfee | helix: sounds like something you would do. |
| 09:02.04 | helix | streuner: are you talking about the mexican band? |
| 09:02.05 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Man, I guess dpkg does need tar to untar the tars inside the debs. |
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| 09:02.12 | helix | kawfee: nah, i never did anything like that |
| 09:02.14 | streuner | helix: of course :-) |
| 09:02.16 | bob2 | ob@ooder> sudo apt-get remove tar ~ |
| 09:02.16 | helix | i have always been l33t |
| 09:02.16 | bob2 | You are about to do something potentially harmful |
| 09:02.17 | bob2 | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 09:02.17 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.20 | kawfee | helix: but you would if you could |
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| 09:02.23 | helix | streuner: yeah :) revolucion de amor |
| 09:02.31 | helix | kawfee: i'll have to ask my sysadmin for permissions!!!11 |
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| 09:03.51 | Mobil | God damn the system administer at my school. He's playing with the Internet. That's why I disconnect all the time |
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| 09:04.15 | helix | maybe i'm your sysadmin |
| 09:04.25 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Do you still have ar? |
| 09:04.34 | kawfee | Mobil: we don't allow talk like that here |
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| 09:06.11 | helix | Jordi_: have you ever heard of tribalistas? |
| 09:06.21 | |Mobil| | Any suggestions to how I can install tar, when apt-get install tar doesn't work? |
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| 09:06.30 | dobby | how can i enable write support? |
| 09:06.35 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Do you have another machine? |
| 09:06.41 | kawfee | dobby: for what? |
| 09:06.44 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Another debian machine? |
| 09:07.06 | Jordi_ | helix: No. |
| 09:07.08 | dobby | kawfee: when i can write a mesg to a user with write. write is not enabled |
| 09:07.11 | |Mobil| | fortunately not |
| 09:07.16 | Jordi_ | helix: What? Who, why? |
| 09:07.23 | helix | Jordi_: they're a brasilian group |
| 09:07.37 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: I guess you're doomed. :P |
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| 09:07.47 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Have the Debian CDs? |
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| 09:07.58 | |Mobil| | yes, at home with my server |
| 09:07.59 | EQUIPO_A | YA STOI OTRA VE AKI1!!!!!!!! |
| 09:08.02 | Jordi_ | helix: Funny you writing brasilian. :) |
| 09:08.21 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: You *could* maybe find a tar binary there. |
| 09:08.23 | kawfee | dobby: use talk |
| 09:08.29 | helix | maybe i should have said brasileiro |
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| 09:08.46 | |Mobil| | Can't I download a tar to my windows machine and the copy it to my server with scp? |
| 09:08.49 | Jordi_ | helix: I said funny, not wrong. Both are cool with me. |
| 09:08.51 | dobby | kawfee what is the syntax for talk? |
| 09:08.59 | helix | it's in the man page |
| 09:09.07 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: If you find one, yes. |
| 09:09.14 | helix | Jordi_: why is it funny though? |
| 09:09.33 | Jordi_ | Jordi_: Because some brazilians hate the whole "z" thing in there. |
| 09:09.44 | helix | i prefer the look of 'brasil' |
| 09:09.46 | kawfee | talk user |
| 09:10.04 | kawfee | bob2: GO TO SLEEP! |
| 09:10.05 | Jordi_ | helix: You're in love with the culture, I guess. :P |
| 09:10.21 | helix | Jordi_: i don't know much about the culture.. it was just always a preference |
| 09:10.29 | |Mobil| | Jordi_: Can I use any of these: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tar/ |
| 09:10.32 | helix | aesthetically, i guess |
| 09:10.56 | Jordi_ | I'm from Chile, lived in Brasil for eight years, and I still don't like the whole latin culture, so to speak. :P |
| 09:11.09 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Are those compiled? |
| 09:11.35 | |Mobil| | I don't know... When I unpack them with WinRAR i get a lot of files and archives |
| 09:11.53 | helix | winrar? |
| 09:11.55 | |Mobil| | I have copied them to my server - the debian machine |
| 09:11.56 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Download the deb in Windows, unpack it. |
| 09:12.06 | helix | oh |
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| 09:12.27 | helix | |Mobil|: you're still getting the same errors when you try to apt-get install tar? |
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| 09:12.36 | Jordi_ | Unpack the data.tar.gz (or something), hunt for "tar", and scp that to somewhere in the server. Add it to the path, and be happy. |
| 09:12.36 | |Mobil| | Jordi_: what "deb" ? A tar*.deb file ? |
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| 09:12.41 | |Mobil| | helix: yes |
| 09:12.50 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: Yes. |
| 09:13.00 | |Mobil| | Where can I find such a file? |
| 09:13.13 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: You *have* something to unpack an ar in Windows, right? |
| 09:13.16 | Jordi_ | right ??? |
| 09:13.21 | |Mobil| | yes |
| 09:13.22 | space_ | helix: thanks, reconfiguring locales package helped somewhat, but still didn't solve the problem |
| 09:13.32 | |Mobil| | hehe |
| 09:13.34 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: On the Debian FTP servers. |
| 09:13.52 | space_ | I still have LANGUAGE unset, an I'm not sure what tool configures that |
| 09:14.14 | helix | it's a shame peterS isn't around tonight |
| 09:14.19 | helix | he could help all of you |
| 09:14.19 | helix | :/ |
| 09:14.24 | Jordi_ | |Mobil|: What architecture is the server? |
| 09:14.25 | space_ | and it still gives errors about LC_TYPE LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL "No such file or directory" |
| 09:14.41 | helix | space_: have you googled the error messages? |
| 09:14.50 | space_ | yes |
| 09:14.51 | dw- | I have a problem with 'testing' distribution. Apache and PHP. If I set php_admin_flag (or any other php directive) in httpd.conf Apache wont start. Logfiles won't give a clue to whats wrong even if I set loglevel to debug. Anyone got a clue? |
| 09:14.54 | helix | space_: nothing? |
| 09:15.26 | space_ | well in one place it said something about setting language in GNOME, but I use KDE |
| 09:15.36 | space_ | so doesn't really help me |
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| 09:15.41 | helix | space_: are these gtk apps? |
| 09:15.53 | alexskan | when apt-get updating from http://ftp.tux.org I get the "Hit" and "Ign". the last one stand for "Ignored"? And if so what's the pb related? |
| 09:15.54 | space_ | helix: this is apt |
| 09:15.55 | helix | space_: ..that you're launching from command line? |
| 09:15.58 | helix | oh |
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| 09:16.23 | Zap-W | what happens if i do ./debian/rules binary-arch ? it will detect and build a binary only for my system? |
| 09:16.25 | suzzi | well all it's time to head home for me, have a good night =) |
| 09:17.02 | space_ | er no |
| 09:17.11 | space_ | actually this is in kpackage |
| 09:17.14 | dobby | how can i enable talk for a user if i am root? |
| 09:17.20 | streuner | Zap-W: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 09:17.28 | space_ | in command line apt-get didn't give it to me |
| 09:17.36 | helix | space_: kpackage is a frontend to apt/dpkg right? |
| 09:17.37 | space_ | it's probably dpkg |
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| 09:17.42 | space_ | yes |
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| 09:17.49 | helix | space_: you can ignore those usually.. does the program run normally otherwise? |
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| 09:18.07 | Zap-W | streuner : i am not trying to build mplayer |
| 09:18.09 | streuner | helix: yeah, but it only works in KDE noadays |
| 09:18.12 | Shadur | bob2: Looks like the problem with mutt is already filed as #228279 -- it's still suggesting libgnutls7 |
| 09:18.17 | space_ | yes, it runs fine, but I just had this for too long, so I wanna find the way of fixing this finally |
| 09:18.18 | helix | streuner: *shrug* i don't use kde.. |
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| 09:18.30 | helix | space_: don't launch things from command line :) |
| 09:18.31 | streuner | Zap-W: there is an example, what command you can use... |
| 09:18.43 | helix | space_: it doesn't hurt anything |
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| 09:19.07 | Jordi_ | Ooops. |
| 09:19.13 | Jordi_ | Damn Macintosh. |
| 09:19.15 | Jordi_ | :P |
| 09:19.31 | space_ | helix: the error messages are inside kpackage, not command line, and well it hurts readability of the installation log, hard to track down when something goes wrong |
| 09:19.55 | helix | space_: ah.. well i've never used kpackage.. |
| 09:20.05 | streuner | space_: are you using KDE? |
| 09:20.06 | space_ | reconfiguring locales package has set my LANG variable |
| 09:20.08 | Zap-W | streuner : i am trying to build vim |
| 09:20.18 | space_ | something else, I dnno what has set my LC_ALL variable |
| 09:20.27 | space_ | incorrectly mind you |
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| 09:20.39 | space_ | and LANGUAGE is still unset |
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| 09:20.51 | lao | olaw |
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| 09:20.55 | lao | eooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 09:20.57 | space_ | and the LC_ folders for locale are missing as I understand |
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| 09:21.07 | space_ | from those error messages |
| 09:21.09 | glaucon | anybody using latest ati 3.7.0 drivers with kernel 2.6.1 on a radeon? |
| 09:21.37 | Zap-W | what's the difference between OPTFLAGS+ and CFGFLAGS+ |
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| 09:23.00 | streuner | dondelelcaro: are you around? |
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| 09:24.04 | Mobil | I have downloaded a tar*.deb file and putted it in my /var/cache/apt/arvhives/ folder. But I can't use a "apt-get install tar"... What can I do? |
| 09:24.14 | Zap-W | ok so i am really clueless about what the hell i should type after ./debian/rulers , is it binary ,binary-arch ..can someone direct me to a helpfull doc or something |
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| 09:24.19 | helix | Mobil: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 09:24.24 | Zap-W | s/rulers/rules |
| 09:24.38 | streuner | Mobil: what was the packagename you got the error? |
| 09:24.39 | Jordi_ | Mobil: What is the architecture of your server? And what Debian branch were you running? |
| 09:24.39 | jm_ | Zap-W: use debuild |
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| 09:25.27 | Jordi_ | Mobil: I think I'll just send you a temporary "tar", unless dpkg -i works. |
| 09:25.29 | streuner | Any OP around? |
| 09:25.32 | Mobil | "failed to exec tar: No such file or directory" it says |
| 09:25.42 | Jordi_ | Mobil: I figured. |
| 09:25.48 | helix | Mobil: did you give it the right directory? |
| 09:25.55 | Zap-W | jm_ : what does it do |
| 09:26.08 | jm_ | Zap-W: man debuild |
| 09:26.16 | Jordi_ | helix: That's dpkg complaining of not finding tar to untar the tars inside the deb. |
| 09:26.22 | Mobil | I am in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory where the tar_1.13.25-2_i386.deb is |
| 09:26.23 | helix | jeez |
| 09:26.27 | streuner | Mobil: you don't want say you haven't tar installed? |
| 09:26.39 | Jordi_ | streuner: He removed it. |
| 09:26.42 | Mobil | Yes streuner |
| 09:26.51 | helix | why on earth would debian let someone remove a necessary package? |
| 09:26.55 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Running woody, right? Intel box? |
| 09:27.04 | Mobil | Yes |
| 09:27.28 | streuner | helix: debian wouldn't, until s(he) press 'yes' to confirm... |
| 09:27.46 | helix | streuner: but isn't libc6 one of the depends? |
| 09:28.01 | streuner | Mobil: so extract the deb itself and install it by hand |
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| 09:28.02 | helix | !tar |
| 09:28.02 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2 (potato): "tar xIf foo.tar.bz2"; Extract tar.bz2 (woody or later): "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory", or install unp and unp whatever.whatever |
| 09:28.15 | Zap-W | jm_ : that program is for creating the rules files and all the rest ..? |
| 09:28.16 | helix | hm, not the factoid i want :) |
| 09:28.18 | streuner | !depends tar |
| 09:28.23 | dpkg | tar: pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1) |
| 09:28.26 | helix | yeah |
| 09:28.32 | helix | so why would it let him remove tar..? |
| 09:28.39 | helix | Mobil: did you just delete the binary? |
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| 09:28.48 | streuner | helix: sure, but it won't remove libc6 of course |
| 09:28.50 | Mobil | I used "apt-get remove tar" |
| 09:29.06 | Jordi_ | What's the current version of tar in woody, folks? |
| 09:29.11 | Jordi_ | Heh, "current". |
| 09:29.11 | helix | streuner: oh ok.. i don't know much about pre-depends |
| 09:29.16 | dw- | I have a problem with 'testing' distribution. Apache and PHP. If I set php_admin_flag (or any other php directive) in httpd.conf Apache wont start. Logfiles won't give a clue to whats wrong even if I set loglevel to debug. |
| 09:29.16 | streuner | !info tar woody |
| 09:29.20 | dpkg | tar: (GNU tar), section base, is required. Version: 1.13.25-2 (woody), Packaged size: 481 kB, Installed size: 1208 kB |
| 09:29.20 | Mobil | tar_1.13.25-2_i386.deb - I think |
| 09:29.28 | Jordi_ | Thanks. |
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| 09:29.51 | Zap-W | jm_ : i already have all of that set , it's a debianized vim source |
| 09:30.43 | Mobil | I havde downloaded the latest tar file from: http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tar/tar_1.13.25-2_i386.deb to my /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:30.45 | jm_ | Zap-W: no, it's for building a package |
| 09:30.55 | Jordi_ | Mobil: I can send you a tar binary you can temporarily use to install your new tar package. |
| 09:31.30 | Mobil | ok... I can give you a SSH account to my debian machine... |
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| 09:31.34 | Jordi_ | The problem is you *need* tar to install tar. |
| 09:31.40 | helix | haha |
| 09:31.44 | Mobil | I have figured out |
| 09:31.44 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Nah, just give me an email or something. |
| 09:31.47 | Mobil | ok |
| 09:32.17 | Zap-W | jm_ : is it easier just to run the rules script? |
| 09:32.34 | Vicious | Mobil: i hope you trust him enough or scan it or something before you run it |
| 09:32.53 | streuner | Jordi_: :-) |
| 09:32.59 | Mobil | I do :) |
| 09:33.03 | gooodies | what does *.deb package being compressed under? anyone know? is it tar? |
| 09:33.21 | Jordi_ | gooodies: Is an ar with compressed tars inside. |
| 09:33.27 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Sent it. |
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| 09:33.53 | gooodies | Jordi_: thanks for the info =) |
| 09:34.04 | streuner | jetscreamer: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JETSCREAMER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 09:34.11 | Jordi_ | Put it somewhere in the PATH that is not /bin, run apt-get install tar, and then delete it. |
| 09:34.43 | helix | streuner: are you hugging him? |
| 09:35.00 | jetscreamer | wow it's a good thing your nick completion works mr. streuner, i'd a never seen that any other way... :P |
| 09:35.15 | gooodies | Jordi_: how do i unzip a *.deb file with 'ar' and 'tar'? |
| 09:35.25 | jetscreamer | !>streuner<! |
| 09:35.27 | Jordi_ | ar x debfile |
| 09:35.28 | knix | are the perl NetPacket:: modules in apt? |
| 09:35.29 | Mobil | Jordi_: how do I use the file you sent? Just type in the filename? |
| 09:35.36 | gooodies | sweet |
| 09:35.38 | streuner | helix: our way to say hello |
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| 09:35.41 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Unzip it |
| 09:35.42 | gooodies | thanks again |
| 09:35.55 | helix | streuner: that's almost as touching as my !spank bob2 |
| 09:36.00 | Jordi_ | put it in /usr/bin, and then try to run apt-get install tar |
| 09:36.07 | Mobil | done that on my windows machine. And copied it to my debian machine |
| 09:36.07 | deadcat | gooodies: just dpkg -x blah.deb |
| 09:36.09 | streuner | helix: hehe :-) |
| 09:36.13 | Mobil | ok |
| 09:37.15 | streuner | deadcat: do you believe it would work, if he hasn't tar? |
| 09:37.39 | deadcat | streuner: ifs its a real .deb dpkg -x will work. |
| 09:37.44 | Jordi_ | Mobil: If it works, you can then delete it from /usr/bin/tar (the one apt-get will install should be under /bin) |
| 09:37.55 | Jordi_ | deadcat: but dpkg runs tar, right? |
| 09:38.04 | Mobil | ok |
| 09:38.08 | Jordi_ | after the ar extraction, I mean. Or on the pipe. |
| 09:38.11 | deadcat | Jordi_: dont know.. man it. |
| 09:38.21 | Jordi_ | deadcat: No debian machine here. :P |
| 09:38.29 | deadcat | Jordi_: bah. |
| 09:38.59 | Mobil | trying it now |
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| 09:39.24 | Jordi_ | Mobil: It might not work, It might need libraries you don't have. Probably not, but who knows. |
| 09:39.42 | Mobil | It doesn't work :/ |
| 09:39.48 | Jordi_ | What happens? |
| 09:40.12 | Mobil | http://pastebin.com/35652 |
| 09:40.25 | Mobil | "failed to exec tar: Permission denied" |
| 09:40.36 | Jordi_ | Oh |
| 09:40.38 | streuner | Mobil: chmod 755 |
| 09:40.44 | Jordi_ | chmod +x the file I gave you. |
| 09:41.02 | Mobil | ok |
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| 09:41.41 | Mobil | "chmod +x tar" right? |
| 09:41.53 | Jordi_ | if you are in /usr/bin, yes. |
| 09:42.08 | Jordi_ | if you put it there, that is. |
| 09:42.20 | caphuso | tar should really be in /bin |
| 09:42.26 | Mobil | Now, it's unpacking |
| 09:42.36 | helix | caphuso: he uninstalled tar, then tried to reinstall it but couldn't |
| 09:42.36 | SlayerXP | admires |
| 09:42.38 | helix | SlayerXP: i'll kill you |
| 09:42.42 | karsten | What was Mozilla's automated bug reporting tool called? |
| 09:42.43 | Csan | hey guys and girls. How can I get a map of the memory (usage)? I'd like to know which applications/processes use how much of (virtual) memory |
| 09:42.48 | caphuso | helix: how the hell did you manage to uninstall tar? |
| 09:42.50 | karsten | helix: You're two timing me! |
| 09:42.54 | helix | caphuso: not me |
| 09:43.00 | Jordi_ | caphuso: I know. This is a temporary copy I gave him to untar the tar deb. |
| 09:43.00 | helix | caphuso: but i wondered the same thing |
| 09:43.06 | helix | karsten: i can be a serial killer |
| 09:43.08 | caphuso | helix: err, sorry, i wanted to say "he", not "you" |
| 09:43.22 | helix | caphuso: i'd think that should be an impossible thing to uninstall |
| 09:43.31 | helix | caphuso: but apparently 'apt-get remove tar' will do the trick |
| 09:43.32 | Csan | karsten: maybe Quality Feedback Agent? :) |
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| 09:43.35 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Did it work? |
| 09:43.37 | SlayerXP | helix: your claws are nice and sharp this morning., |
| 09:43.50 | caphuso | helix: only if you enter a phrase basically saying that you really want to do such nonsense |
| 09:44.02 | Mobil | It isn't finished... It's only a Pentium Pro 200MHz |
| 09:44.06 | caphuso | You are about to do something potentially harmful |
| 09:44.06 | helix | caphuso: it seems like something a distro should never do.. |
| 09:44.08 | caphuso | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 09:44.10 | dw- | Does anyone know how to enable/disble php safe_mode in apache 1.3.29 (no php_admin_flag safe_mode Off) won't work since apache refuses to start if its in the conf |
| 09:44.15 | helix | caphuso: ah, ok.. |
| 09:44.17 | streuner | caphuso: that was i told her to :-) |
| 09:44.25 | streuner | s/to/too/ |
| 09:44.26 | helix | streuner: i thought you were kidding :) |
| 09:44.27 | Mobil | It is setting up, so I guess it works |
| 09:44.34 | streuner | helix: no :-) |
| 09:44.38 | Jordi_ | Well, when it finishes, check to see if /bin/tar exists. If it does, delete the one in /usr/bin. The one I sent. |
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| 09:44.55 | helix | caphuso: even weirder was the reason he had for uninstalling it - he said it couldn't untar a few things.. |
| 09:45.03 | Mobil | ok |
| 09:45.04 | Csan | hey guys and girls. How can I get a map of the memory (usage)? I'd like to know which applications/processes use how much of (virtual) memory (not `top`) |
| 09:45.10 | helix | pebkac, i guess |
| 09:45.13 | streuner | helix: to every essential package you need to give 'yes' as pass phrase, that would to the trick. |
| 09:45.19 | helix | Csan: free? |
| 09:45.26 | Jordi_ | Csan: vmstat? |
| 09:45.38 | helix | vmstat is probably better :) |
| 09:46.19 | Mobil | done... THANKS a lot for the help! |
| 09:46.22 | helix | @hug cplay |
| 09:46.23 | Csan | but it doesn't show me PID X uses Y amoutn of vm |
| 09:46.28 | helix | Mobil: don't ever do that again |
| 09:46.33 | Jordi_ | Mobil: Yep |
| 09:46.37 | jm_ | Csan: ps does |
| 09:46.38 | Mobil | I sure won't :D |
| 09:46.43 | Jordi_ | Bad Mobil. Baaaad Mobil! |
| 09:46.50 | Mobil | :o |
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| 09:47.17 | Jordi_ | Oh, here they come. |
| 09:47.28 | protoloco | What is for ngrep ?? |
| 09:47.29 | Csan | jm_: I can't believe what ps says - if I add them all up, the amount used is not the same as the amount used reported by free |
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| 09:48.04 | jm_ | Csan: soem stuff is shared |
| 09:48.10 | Jordi_ | Csan: Mmm ... one is adding memory used by buffers and cache, the other is not. |
| 09:48.17 | Jordi_ | Or that. |
| 09:48.23 | Jordi_ | Actually, and. |
| 09:48.23 | helix | protoloco: it says it's for network stuff.. |
| 09:48.28 | helix | protoloco: apt-cache show ngrep |
| 09:48.35 | SlayerXP | http://www.clues.ltd.uk/howto/debian-sa-fprot-HOWTO.txt |
| 09:48.35 | Csan | so the original question i: how can I get a *real* picture of my vm usage per PID? |
| 09:48.42 | Jordi_ | protoloco: Es el "nada" grep, jejeje. |
| 09:49.06 | helix | that would be totally useless :) |
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| 09:49.15 | Jordi_ | Csan: vmstat. But I don't remember how to use it by heart. |
| 09:49.22 | helix | Csan: just out of curiosity, what's wrong with top? |
| 09:49.36 | Jordi_ | helix: Is not *real* enough. :)))) |
| 09:49.42 | SlayerXP | helix: top is a high priority process, it distorts CPU stats |
| 09:49.46 | Csan | helix: as Jordi_ says |
| 09:49.53 | helix | oh ok |
| 09:50.07 | Jordi_ | such love. |
| 09:50.12 | SlayerXP | yeah |
| 09:50.26 | SlayerXP | the obvious comeback is "/me distorts helix's breasts" :) |
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| 09:50.35 | SlayerXP | that was be immature howoever. |
| 09:50.38 | SlayerXP | would be |
| 09:50.47 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 09:50.47 | helix | SlayerXP: i can only kill you so many times in one day |
| 09:51.00 | cryptoD | anyone remember the rescue command to load kernel 2.4 rescue on the debian cd ? |
| 09:51.03 | SlayerXP | helix: killing me softly with this love..... |
| 09:51.05 | caphuso | Csan: by looking at /proc/<pid>/* |
| 09:51.13 | helix | cryptoD: bf2.4 or something |
| 09:51.20 | Jordi_ | typing pathnames with my fingers ... |
| 09:51.23 | helix | um |
| 09:51.32 | Jordi_ | cursing aloud at my mouse ... |
| 09:51.37 | helix | i don't know if that's for rescue |
| 09:51.44 | Jordi_ | killing my software with Windows, killing my software .... |
| 09:51.45 | Csan | caphuse: isn't that what `ps` also uses to report the info? |
| 09:52.01 | Jordi_ | with Windows, trashing my haaaaaard drive ... |
| 09:52.04 | Jordi_ | :DDD |
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| 09:52.27 | Csan | Jordi_ :) |
| 09:52.58 | caphuso | Csan: of course |
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| 09:53.18 | dw- | I solved the problem with Apache 1.3.29 and PHP in the testing distribution where Apache wont start if you got php settings in the httpd.conf. Resolution is to create a new file in /etc/apache/conf.d/ and put your php settings there then all will be fine. |
| 09:53.23 | Unfrgiven | rdancer: hey i got it working :D |
| 09:53.49 | Csan | could I treat the whole vm as one big area that I can look at low level and report usage as the DOS 'mem'? If yes, how? :)) |
| 09:54.13 | Jordi_ | Csan: By vm you mean the swapfiles? |
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| 09:54.19 | Csan | included |
| 09:54.25 | Jordi_ | Csan: Oh, I see. |
| 09:54.33 | Jordi_ | Csan: By VM you mean VM. |
| 09:54.36 | Jordi_ | :D |
| 09:54.39 | Csan | by vm I mean physical+logical(swap) |
| 09:54.43 | Csan | yes |
| 09:54.44 | Csan | :) |
| 09:55.04 | Jordi_ | with a large trout, or something. |
| 09:55.10 | Csan | a duck |
| 09:55.22 | Csan | =] |
| 09:55.30 | Jordi_ | Good enough. But I've never seen DOS's 'mem'. |
| 09:55.44 | Jordi_ | But didn't it have a 640K limit? |
| 09:55.48 | Jordi_ | hehehehhehee .... |
| 09:55.48 | Csan | lucky one :) |
| 09:56.44 | helix | !tell Jordi_ about away |
| 09:57.00 | Csan | !tell me about away |
| 09:57.04 | Csan | =] wow |
| 09:57.17 | keta | the paste warning on atm irssi in sid rocks, yay |
| 09:57.23 | helix | keta: agreed |
| 09:57.45 | helix | i almost accidentally pasted about 15 lines the other day :) |
| 09:57.56 | Unfrgiven | keta: which paste warning is this? |
| 09:58.15 | me | !tell me about away |
| 09:58.19 | me | =] |
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| 09:58.38 | cryptoD | helix: bf2.4 doesn't work ... :( |
| 09:58.39 | me | could someone issue the same command please? Just curious... |
| 09:58.49 | helix | cryptoD: it might be something else like bf24 |
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| 09:59.12 | helix | !greet w00ter |
| 09:59.12 | dpkg | Hi w00ter! |
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| 09:59.45 | w00ter | ~french helix |
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| 10:00.10 | w00ter | snuh, monday morning sux0rs |
| 10:01.28 | SJr | Anyone know where I could get a little tutorial on TCP flags? |
| 10:01.43 | Labmat | Has anyone noticed that the latest testing netinstall (20040117) seems to bear a great similarity to MatLab? |
| 10:02.15 | Labmat | It seems to be complete with Cornell University's licence key! |
| 10:02.40 | Jordi_ | I go for a smoke, and I come back to see dpkg telling me I am annoying. |
| 10:02.45 | Jordi_ | Sheesh |
| 10:03.05 | nevyn | Labmat: serious? |
| 10:03.09 | Jordi_ | Thanks for not giving me a kline, or something. |
| 10:03.11 | nevyn | from what source? |
| 10:03.11 | Jordi_ | :P |
| 10:03.12 | keta | SJr: Steven's tcp/ip illustrated has some volumes available for free, also iptables docs have hints |
| 10:03.41 | SJr | keta I just need to know the difference between a filtered port and closed |
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| 10:03.46 | Labmat | I just downloaded from the link on the debian page. |
| 10:03.59 | nevyn | Labmat: which debian page? |
| 10:04.30 | Laufer | SJr: in short, closed means nobody is listening. filtered means something is listening, but the firewall is being selective about who gets to talk to it. |
| 10:04.38 | keta | SJr: if it's filtered, it's not closed. |
| 10:04.43 | Labmat | I think this is the one |
| 10:04.49 | Labmat | http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/20040118/ |
| 10:05.06 | me | is there a debian security channel for discussing security issues? |
| 10:05.09 | SJr | no keta it could be closed. |
| 10:05.31 | Labmat | The md5sum I get for the iso on my hard disk is 235d994641aedfae7d5a8ffb94769650 |
| 10:05.34 | SJr | sorry Laufer I mean in terms of tcp flags, basically I have a firewall, that I want to screen out most but NOT all closed port returns. |
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| 10:05.46 | SJr | keta it means that you get NO response |
| 10:05.46 | keta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.56 | hramrach | Hello |
| 10:05.58 | SJr | hmmmmm |
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| 10:06.06 | nevyn | me: mailing list |
| 10:06.23 | SJr | keta my understanding is that the port could be open or closed, however its not getting a reply for that specific port. |
| 10:06.38 | SJr | cause I can have closed on specific ports. |
| 10:06.46 | hramrach | How do I tell why my shorewall would not start? |
| 10:06.46 | Csan | nevyn: anything like hits channel? |
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| 10:07.05 | caphuso | SJr: filtered means that it is closed but doesn't send a message back telling that it is closed |
| 10:07.12 | hramrach | it says iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 10:07.21 | nevyn | Csan: ? |
| 10:07.34 | Csan | *** me is now known as Csan |
| 10:07.37 | crow | I've got a deb that has a: "ic" status, dpkg -r <package> -remove won't work, what am I missing? |
| 10:07.45 | nevyn | Labmat: netinst or businesscard? |
| 10:07.52 | SJr | caphuso, right but thats most likely the result of a firewall, so while the port may be open, something is 'filtering' it imbetween. |
| 10:08.01 | SJr | basically I need to filter out Port Closed Responses |
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| 10:08.08 | caphuso | SJr: no, you don't |
| 10:08.13 | caphuso | SJr: that's annoying and silly |
| 10:08.16 | Labmat | netinst - the ~100Mb file |
| 10:08.26 | SJr | caphuso no I do, for a few reasons. |
| 10:08.39 | SJr | first off, nmap seems to list all the closed ports |
| 10:08.43 | SJr | in favor of hiding filtered. |
| 10:08.49 | caphuso | SJr: irrelevant |
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| 10:09.05 | caphuso | SJr: it doesn't matter what nmap shows |
| 10:09.09 | Zap-W | why isn't vim in debian compiled with right-to-left hebrew support??? |
| 10:09.18 | SJr | and secondly closed ports would signify a very open system. |
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| 10:09.29 | SJr | why have a firewall if ports >1024 are clear. |
| 10:09.32 | Jordi_ | Zap-W: You could ask the maintainer. |
| 10:09.34 | caphuso | SJr: what? |
| 10:09.44 | caphuso | SJr: closed ports would signify a closed system |
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| 10:09.47 | SJr | well regardless its what I'd like to do, caphuso. |
| 10:09.49 | caphuso | SJr: hence the "closed" |
| 10:09.56 | SJr | hmmmm |
| 10:09.57 | nevyn | Zap-W: that's a really good question for the debian maintainer... |
| 10:10.14 | receptor | helo |
| 10:10.17 | caphuso | SJr: stop using nmap until you have the necessary knowledge to interpret its output |
| 10:10.25 | nevyn | Zap-W: I'd file a normal bug. |
| 10:10.25 | SJr | hmmmm |
| 10:10.29 | Xomy | olaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:10.39 | Xomy | alguien k able ESPAÑOL |
| 10:10.44 | SJr | wow that was rude. |
| 10:10.46 | SJr | um |
| 10:10.51 | caphuso | !+spanish |
| 10:10.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 10:10.52 | SJr | I know what a closed port is, thank you. |
| 10:10.53 | Xomy | alguien k able ESPAÑOL |
| 10:10.56 | Xomy | alguien k able ESPAÑOL |
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| 10:12.09 | SJr | However, A system that returns a bulk of closed ports, intuitivly signifies an unfirewalled system. nmap seems to dump out 40,000 closed ports, which is a bitch. |
| 10:12.22 | caphuso | SJr: oh no |
| 10:13.27 | zinx | SJr: why are you scanning a machine you don't know how is configured? |
| 10:13.35 | SJr | zinx its my machine |
| 10:13.42 | SJr | im testing a firewall |
| 10:13.46 | zinx | then why don't you know how it's configured? :P |
| 10:13.52 | SJr | I do know |
| 10:14.00 | SJr | but I need to change it |
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| 10:14.11 | SJr | so that it doesn't return the closed port signal |
| 10:14.14 | SJr | but I don't know how to do that |
| 10:14.20 | caphuso | SJr: then don#t |
| 10:14.23 | caphuso | s/#/'/ |
| 10:14.25 | SlayerXP | SJr: hire a consultant. |
| 10:14.26 | Csan | SJr: 'DROP' the packets |
| 10:14.30 | caphuso | it's sent back for a reason |
| 10:14.52 | SJr | caphuso so then by your logic firewalls are stupid. |
| 10:14.57 | caphuso | SJr: no |
| 10:14.57 | Zap-W | can anyone here run vim -H does it work for you? |
| 10:15.03 | SlayerXP | SJr: most firewalls _are_ stupid |
| 10:15.07 | SJr | caphuso why can't you just tell me what flags I want, isn't the purpose of OSS, to be able to do what you will with the product, as opposed to MS where they force you to do it there way. If you don't like the way it behaves feel free to change it. I don't recall it saying anyway the change had to be the most intellegent choice. |
| 10:15.17 | zinx | ... |
| 10:15.24 | zinx | he told you exactly what you need to do |
| 10:15.25 | SJr | Csan yeah thats what I want to do, but I don't know what flags to look for |
| 10:15.26 | SJr | on the packet. |
| 10:15.37 | SJr | which is what? Don't drop them? |
| 10:15.38 | zinx | the only way he could be more clear is to give you the exact command for your rules |
| 10:15.45 | zinx | and that's not going to happen. |
| 10:15.50 | Csan | SJr: check iptables man page |
| 10:15.55 | SlayerXP | most firewalls are so badly or ineptly configured that they are utterly worthless. |
| 10:15.56 | Csan | look for 'DROP' |
| 10:16.00 | SJr | its not iptables |
| 10:16.22 | caphuso | SJr: what's it then? |
| 10:16.24 | Csan | what then? |
| 10:16.38 | zinx | read the manpage for whatever firewalling utility you're using. they all tell you how to do what you want :/ |
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| 10:16.51 | SJr | pf, and I know how to do it, once I know which flag to check for. |
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| 10:17.07 | caphuso | SJr: off topic |
| 10:17.12 | hramrach | zinx: My shorewall man page does not tell how to start it :) |
| 10:17.24 | zinx | hramrach: but does it tell how to drop packets? |
| 10:17.33 | zinx | hramrach: that's what he wants :) |
| 10:17.38 | Jordi_ | hramrach: /etc/init.d/shorewall start? |
| 10:17.49 | Csan | SJr: what do you mean by 'flag'? pm me if you want |
| 10:18.16 | hramrach | Jordi_: It does not work:) zinx: but it does not drop them unless started :) |
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| 10:18.20 | nevyn_ | Labmat: hrm seems to be ok |
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| 10:18.38 | zinx | hramrach: hehe, good point i guess :) |
| 10:18.57 | zinx | ~+doesn't work |
| 10:19.01 | | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:19.50 | hramrach | zinx: 11:07 < hramrach> it says iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 10:19.54 | Zap-W | can anyone here run "vim -H" does it work for you? |
| 10:20.05 | zinx | hramrach: what kernel are you running? |
| 10:20.19 | hramrach | zinx: 2.6.1 from kernel.org |
| 10:20.28 | zinx | hramrach: make sure you have all the stuff compiled in |
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| 10:20.31 | caphuso | Zap-W: stupid question |
| 10:20.34 | reedwood | #kernel |
| 10:20.48 | caphuso | Zap-W: think about it, how the hell would the same package be compiled differently for you and for me? |
| 10:20.52 | zinx | hramrach: it will say that when you don't have a certain module, and maybe even when you don't have netfilter support at all |
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| 10:21.33 | zinx | Zap-W: it doesn't work for me |
| 10:21.39 | zinx | -bash: vim: command not found |
| 10:21.39 | zinx | :P |
| 10:22.09 | hramrach | zinx: it says about detecting modules and does not complain at that stage.. |
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| 10:22.22 | zinx | hramrach: yeah well, you still don't have them, or don't have them loaded :) |
| 10:22.25 | Zap-W | bah |
| 10:22.32 | Labmat | Strange, I redownloaded the testing netinstall and this time it's what it says it is. |
| 10:22.35 | receptor | can any1 help me with ipchains on deb? |
| 10:22.40 | Labmat | I'm really confused now! |
| 10:22.54 | caphuso | Zap-W: install the vim-gtk package |
| 10:23.05 | Zap-W | caphuso : dick shit , i ask because miraclesly it worked for some dude here , that claimed he had the deb package vim |
| 10:23.08 | Zap-W | caphuso : why |
| 10:23.10 | hramrach | zinx: they do not load automagically? 8-O |
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| 10:23.13 | zinx | hram; either that, or shorewall's really trying to add to or target a non-existent chain, which is bad. |
| 10:23.21 | The_Vulture | Zap-W: abuse is not called for |
| 10:23.26 | zinx | hram; not unless you have auto-loading, and some magic may still be required after that as well |
| 10:23.28 | caphuso | Zap-W: because it has hebrew support, dick shit |
| 10:23.37 | zinx | hramrach: and it's possible you simply don't have them at all |
| 10:23.44 | nevyn | Labmat: you sure you didn't get your warez confused with your debian foo? |
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| 10:23.56 | Zap-W | caphuso : ah , so how come it dosen't work for me if all packages are compiled the same |
| 10:24.08 | Labmat | But I don't have any copies of Matlab! |
| 10:24.11 | caphuso | Zap-W: obviously because you don't have the vim-gtk package |
| 10:24.13 | The_Vulture | Zap-W: are you sure you have the same version of the package installed as your friend? |
| 10:24.14 | hramrach | zinx: that is the problem: I do not have any idea what exactly fails. |
| 10:24.17 | The_Vulture | and are running the same executable? |
| 10:24.32 | zinx | hramrach: check your kernel configuration. |
| 10:24.40 | The_Vulture | I'd be pretty sure caphuso has it in one |
| 10:25.10 | zinx | Labmat: tried octave? :x |
| 10:25.28 | reedwood | has some kernel 2.6 up and running? |
| 10:25.58 | Labmat | I guess I'll add it to my list of unsolved mysteries. |
| 10:26.01 | Nurbs | ~tell reedwood about poll |
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| 10:26.15 | streuner | reedwood: plenty of people have... |
| 10:26.18 | Nurbs | ah, wrong. |
| 10:26.25 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ? |
| 10:26.32 | Nurbs | damn... how do I get dpkg to tell someone something again? :) |
| 10:26.35 | Labmat | A poll is a sort of question ... |
| 10:26.37 | reedwood | :-) nice to hear. perheps one of them can help me? |
| 10:26.55 | zinx | reedwood: how can anyone help you when they don't even know what the problem is? |
| 10:26.55 | streuner | dondelcaro: 'our friend' 'usario' was here and trolled... |
| 10:26.58 | dondelelcaro | asg: you know, you can fix the cmd: factoids yourself... |
| 10:27.02 | zinx | reedwood: or, indeed, if you're having one |
| 10:27.04 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ah. |
| 10:27.15 | reedwood | ok. here it comes |
| 10:27.20 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I thought they were on a perma +b? |
| 10:27.42 | Jordi_ | ~+tell |
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| 10:28.27 | patfm | should aptitude be in the path in stable? |
| 10:28.28 | streuner | dondelelaro: s(he) used different hostnames now |
| 10:28.33 | zinx | reedwood: did you compile in support for it? |
| 10:28.33 | reedwood | booting allways stoppes with the line: loading saved_states of serial devices... |
| 10:28.41 | reedwood | zinx: yes |
| 10:28.45 | zinx | erh |
| 10:28.48 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yeah, I think it's an internet cafe or something... there are multiple accounts there. |
| 10:28.50 | zinx | how does that have anything to do with your PS/2 port? |
| 10:29.10 | dondelelcaro | !feed =~ s/nick/1/g |
| 10:29.10 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'feed', dondelelcaro |
| 10:29.19 | dondelelcaro | !cmd: feed (.*?) =~ s/nick/1/g |
| 10:29.19 | streuner | dondelelaro: for one thing for sure, it isn't a bot |
| 10:29.26 | zinx | reedwood: i've seen others with that problem |
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| 10:29.36 | dondelelcaro | streuner: nah, it isn't a bot... and it seems to be more than one person... |
| 10:29.36 | streuner | s/for/ / |
| 10:29.40 | reedwood | zinx: what was the solution |
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| 10:29.56 | dondelelcaro | !feed streuner |
| 10:30.04 | zinx | reedwood: i don't know |
| 10:30.04 | patfm | or rather, how do i start aptitude (since i've heard it is in stable & `aptitude' doesn't work) |
| 10:30.11 | zinx | reedwood: i haven't paid that much attention to it |
| 10:30.19 | caphuso | patfm: install it first |
| 10:30.23 | The_Vulture | patfm: define "doesn't work" |
| 10:30.37 | w00ter | patfm: install it |
| 10:30.45 | Nurbs | Jordi_: well, I guess "dpkg, tell X about Y" does it |
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| 10:30.47 | reedwood | zinx: do you know how to find out what the problem really is? i have never found any lines in log/messages or syslog. |
| 10:31.00 | patfm | okay. my apt-get is not working, that's the root of my problems. |
| 10:31.09 | patfm | my goal is to move to testing from stable |
| 10:31.20 | Jordi_ | dpkg, tell Jordi_ about apt |
| 10:31.26 | Jordi_ | Tada! |
| 10:31.28 | Jordi_ | :) |
| 10:31.36 | Nurbs | heh |
| 10:31.50 | Jordi_ | Ok. |
| 10:31.58 | Jordi_ | Someone that knows IRC more than I do ... |
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| 10:32.03 | The_Vulture | patfm: define "not working" |
| 10:32.07 | caphuso | oh man, the vim packages are still a convoluted mess |
| 10:32.15 | Jordi_ | why does "/whois Jordi" returns my info? |
| 10:32.16 | The_Vulture | ++convolution |
| 10:32.26 | reedwood | zinx: where did you meet this people with the same problem? |
| 10:32.29 | w00ter | ~tell Jordi_ about enter |
| 10:32.33 | The_Vulture | Jordi_: because it's server side state, not client side |
| 10:32.38 | caphuso | Jordi_: because it's supposed to |
| 10:33.10 | zergouille | I have a laptop under sid, and when i leave it during a few minutes, i goes under suspend mode... (even if it is plug to the sector).. how can I avoid this ? |
| 10:33.13 | Jordi_ | The_Vulture: But I'm not "Jordi". |
| 10:33.26 | caphuso | Jordi_: but you where |
| 10:33.28 | The_Vulture | no, but presumably you were |
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| 10:33.33 | patfm | The_Vulture: just a second, have to copy over the error |
| 10:33.35 | Jordi_ | Nope. |
| 10:33.46 | w00ter | Jordi_: it doesn't Jordi No such nick/channel |
| 10:33.54 | caphuso | w00ter: try /whowas |
| 10:34.33 | Jordi_ | Well, granted, I was for a couple seconds, but was forced to change nickname. |
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| 10:36.40 | patfm | The_Vulture: for instance: `apt-get install aptitude' --> "... the following packages have unmet dependencies: " ... after which several packages inlcuding aptitude are listed; all of which ultimately depend on libgl1 |
| 10:36.54 | Labmat | Any recommendations for a divx player for debian stable? |
| 10:36.58 | w00ter | caphuso: I know whowas thanks, but he was asking about whois I believe |
| 10:37.03 | streuner | Labmat: xine |
| 10:37.07 | The_Vulture | patfm: have you done anything silly with your sources? do you have standard woody sources? have you ever had any other sources? |
| 10:37.16 | Labmat | streuner: Thanks. |
| 10:37.21 | caphuso | w00ter: most clients will automatically fallback to /whowas is /whois fails |
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| 10:38.04 | Jordi_ | w00ter: Yep. Mine did, evidently. |
| 10:38.39 | w00ter | caphuso: ah I wasn't aware of that, thanks. Jordi_ you might just have been whoising your ghost if you had a unexpected disconnect |
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| 10:38.51 | RinzeWind | http://www.jerrythefrogproductions.com/ReturnOfTheKing <--- ROTFLMAO |
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| 10:38.54 | streuner | Labmat: /msg dpkg marillat <-- that will give you the lines for the codecs as well |
| 10:39.00 | Jordi_ | "Jordi" is taken here, is taken in debian.org, is taken in fsf.org. Oh well, I guess I better go work for Microsoft. :( |
| 10:39.04 | patfm | The_Vulture: i have a preinstalled stable system. i attempted to upgrade to unstable with apt-get dist-upgrade (having changed sources.list) |
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| 10:39.27 | The_Vulture | patfm: so your system is now currently at least partially unstable? good luck |
| 10:39.54 | streuner | Jordi_: is mindspring an brazilian ISP? |
| 10:39.58 | patfm | The_Vulture: good luck in the sense that, you think i should start over? |
| 10:40.10 | patfm | (i.e., reinstall debian) |
| 10:40.10 | Jordi_ | streuner: No, usanian. |
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| 10:40.55 | The_Vulture | patfm: in the sense that I think you are somewhere you shouldn't be, and I'm not much interested in helping you get out |
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| 10:41.03 | The_Vulture | (and yes, reinstalling may be the simplest way out) |
| 10:41.07 | patfm | The_Vulture: fair enough. |
| 10:41.20 | Jordi_ | streuner: Why? What did I do this time? :P |
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| 10:41.37 | patfm | The_Vulture: thanks. |
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| 10:41.57 | streuner | Jordi_: i wondering how you could live in brazil and use an american ISP... |
| 10:42.16 | Jordi_ | Jordi_: I don't live in Brazil. I did. |
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| 10:42.29 | streuner | Jordi_: ic |
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| 10:42.38 | kiwi | ola |
| 10:42.40 | kiwi | hello |
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| 10:43.10 | streuner | oh, that sounds like 'usario' :-) |
| 10:43.11 | Zak- | Just wondering if you can read ext3 linux partitions from Windows NT/XP? |
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| 10:43.37 | jm_ | Zak-: yes you can |
| 10:43.40 | streuner | Zak-: ExplorerFS |
| 10:43.51 | hramrach | zinx: I added remaining iptables modules and I get the same thing. So it is not missing modules I guess. |
| 10:44.04 | jm_ | Zak-: explore2s or fsdext2 (which mounts it as another drive so it's transparent, but it barfs on my box) |
| 10:44.06 | Jordi_ | "internet has quit (Remote closed the connection)" You know you're doomed when the Internet just quits. |
| 10:44.14 | Zak- | thanks people |
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| 10:46.39 | Labmat | Bye |
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| 10:48.45 | Zap-W | where does mutt info about which default text editor to load |
| 10:49.01 | jm_ | man muttrc |
| 10:49.07 | Jordi_ | Zap-W: $EDITOR |
| 10:49.11 | isam | is there any Java Runtime environment available in the debian repository? sich as Sun-jre, or blackdown-java JRE .. something to run Java Applets in Mozilla ? |
| 10:49.18 | streuner_ | !depends mutt |
| 10:49.22 | dpkg | mutt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libidn11, libncursesw5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1), libsasl2 (>= 2.1.15), exim | mail-transport-agent |
| 10:49.31 | jm_ | isam: only unoffical debs |
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| 10:50.01 | streuner_ | isam: /msg dpkg blackdown or java.sun.com |
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| 10:50.50 | poli | Good morning everyone! I was wondering: have any of you managed to make ACPI suspend work? |
| 10:51.13 | streuner_ | poli: what did the guys from kernelnewbies told you? |
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| 10:51.46 | jm_ | that they do'nt do user support there ;) |
| 10:51.55 | braun6 | hi |
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| 10:52.30 | braun6 | i've compiled a nvidia kernel module for the 2.6 kernel as explained on the german page |
| 10:52.50 | streuner_ | poli: the problem is, dunno is it a compiler issue or not (2.95 - 3.3) |
| 10:52.55 | braun6 | now i'm back to 2.4 and i can't remove the package nvidia-kernel-2.6.0 i've build |
| 10:53.15 | caphuso | braun6: why not? and why do you want to remove it? |
| 10:53.36 | Zap-W | Jordi_ : don't have any such variable set or $VISUAL so how does it load vim |
| 10:53.45 | poli | streuner_: Not. Possible a "lack of packages" issue. Many of the utilities listed in the HOWTO are not available to Debian. I was wondering is debian users had some clue. |
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| 10:54.17 | caphuso | Zap-W: because it falls back to its hardcoded default of /usr/bin/vi, which points to vim on your system |
| 10:54.22 | braun6 | caphuso i get an error code, and apt-get dist-upgrade has tried to remove it itself because ...i don't know why but know it is broken (E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)) |
| 10:54.36 | poli | streuner_: And more: I has hopping to find cafuego online. He has a notebook and could give me good advice. |
| 10:54.49 | caphuso | braun6: no useful error messages? |
| 10:55.01 | streuner_ | poli: which package are not in debian? |
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| 10:55.06 | jm_ | cappicard: isn't it /usr/bin/editor ? |
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| 10:55.21 | jm_ | caphuso: isn't it /usr/bin/editor ? |
| 10:55.41 | tarzeau | haha sussudio is sweet |
| 10:55.41 | caphuso | jm_: ah, yes |
| 10:55.42 | tarzeau | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/baah.png |
| 10:55.44 | streuner_ | poli: what laptop do you have? |
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| 10:57.05 | simonrvn | 'lo |
| 10:57.11 | poli | streuner_: Toshiba A25 (2.66GHz PIV) |
| 10:57.17 | zergouille | I have a too small /var partition, I cant install some packages , can I override the default /var/apt/archives .. ? |
| 10:57.29 | jm_ | zergouille: yes |
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| 10:58.29 | sambatron | hello, how can I take out the headers of a mail box ? |
| 10:58.45 | jm_ | sambatron: man formail |
| 10:58.52 | sambatron | cool, thanks |
| 10:59.14 | receptor | need help with ipchains... |
| 10:59.44 | braun6 | caphuso indeed, i've just seen it was because it couldn't cat alsa |
| 10:59.54 | braun6 | caphuso i'll reinstall it |
| 11:00.22 | receptor | can i test how a packet traverses the chains & where it is dropped/blocked? |
| 11:00.43 | jm_ | receptor: logging should help you |
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| 11:01.40 | streuner_ | poli: subcribe to debian-laptop mailing-list too |
| 11:01.45 | receptor | ipchains -L -n says Chain input (policy ACCEPT) |
| 11:02.11 | receptor | but nmap run says 25/tcp filtered smtp |
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| 11:02.35 | receptor | other services like ftp & www are accessible |
| 11:02.41 | receptor | wtf? |
| 11:02.56 | poli | streuner_: I will... I'm look specifically to swsusp, which is mentioned in /Documentation/power/swsusp.txt... |
| 11:03.13 | poli | streuner_: I am looking for swsusp |
| 11:03.16 | poli | streuner_: :) |
| 11:03.35 | jm_ | poli: go to swsusp page (keep in mind there are two variants) |
| 11:03.56 | braun6 | caphuso reinstalling it don't resole the pb |
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| 11:04.14 | caphuso | braun6: i still don't know what the problem is |
| 11:04.15 | jm_ | receptor: like I said, add logging to your rules |
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| 11:04.46 | braun6 | yOuCanKillACat: alsa: No such file or directory |
| 11:04.51 | braun6 | oops |
| 11:04.57 | braun6 | caphuso : cat: alsa: No such file or directory |
| 11:05.14 | caphuso | braun6: and that's happening when? |
| 11:05.14 | poli | jm_: Is there some better way to suspend a notebook with ACPI support? |
| 11:05.26 | braun6 | caphuso the post-removal script says that |
| 11:05.44 | caphuso | braun6: edit it |
| 11:05.56 | poli | jm_: (but not APM support!) |
| 11:05.58 | braun6 | caphuso where is it ? |
| 11:06.32 | caphuso | braun6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 11:06.39 | jm_ | poli: not that I know, I don't think Linux supports all ACPI states, but don't count on me knowing it properly |
| 11:06.44 | braun6 | caphuso thanks |
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| 11:07.02 | jm_ | poli: swsusp is likely to be the least painful experience |
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| 11:07.44 | jneves | anyone knows when/if libgd2=2.0.20 is entering sarge? |
| 11:08.12 | SlayerXP | jneves: 14th September, 2009 |
| 11:08.14 | receptor | hell, my ipchains ruleset is really simple. |
| 11:08.53 | jneves | SlayerXP: thanks, now do you know where I can find a working version (like 2.0.15)? |
| 11:08.54 | braun6 | caphuso in fact, that's update-modules that is looking for alsa |
| 11:08.55 | poli | jm_: And it has the advantage of letting the computer really turned off: no battery needed... Seems good... But nevertheless I will try ACPI also... :) |
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| 11:09.17 | receptor | i'm setting accepto policy for every chain, flushing them & doing masq. a simple three-liner script |
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| 11:09.43 | braun6 | caphuso how can i make it stop doing that ? |
| 11:09.59 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 11:10.10 | receptor | logging doesnt help |
| 11:10.13 | caphuso | braun6: easiest way is probably to touch(1) the missing file |
| 11:10.14 | ^chattr | hmm |
| 11:10.14 | la_chuly | hi hi |
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| 11:10.25 | braun6 | caphuso but where ? |
| 11:10.34 | caphuso | braun6: start looking in /etc/modutils/ |
| 11:10.37 | braun6 | ok |
| 11:11.04 | caphuso | braun6: it might also be a dangling symlink, then you might get away with simply deleting it |
| 11:11.11 | braun6 | yes it is |
| 11:11.17 | poli | jm_: Damn! ACPI looks much more attractive now that I realized I have 512MB RAM and 256MB swap... :) |
| 11:11.38 | poli | jm_: I couldn't find the two swsusp you mentioned. |
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| 11:12.07 | jm_ | poli: there are two groups of people working on it, and they disagree on some things, you can find it easily on KT |
| 11:12.11 | Zap-W | anyone know of a gtk2 mail user agent |
| 11:12.11 | braun6 | caphuso however, after deleting it, update-modules is still looking for it....weird |
| 11:12.20 | caphuso | braun6: touch /etc/modutils/alsa |
| 11:12.21 | jm_ | sylpheed has gtk2 fork IIRC |
| 11:12.39 | braun6 | caphuso ok, but why is it looking for it ? |
| 11:12.40 | poli | jm_: KT=Kernel Tutorial? |
| 11:12.42 | receptor | anyway nmap run says 25/tcp filtered. where is the filter? |
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| 11:12.48 | caphuso | braun6: no idea :-/ |
| 11:12.51 | Zap-W | what is fork |
| 11:12.56 | jm_ | poli: Kernel Traffic, http://www.kerneltraffic.org |
| 11:13.01 | caphuso | Zap-W: something like a spoon, just more pointy |
| 11:13.09 | braun6 | caphuso i'm still having the same problem after touching it |
| 11:13.12 | Zap-W | suck bananas |
| 11:13.14 | jm_ | branch if that's easier to understand |
| 11:13.16 | poli | jm_: Thanks! What's the server of #kernelnewbies again? |
| 11:13.22 | jm_ | poli: irc.oftc.net |
| 11:13.35 | caphuso | braun6: then comment the update-modutils call out (in the postrm script) |
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| 11:13.42 | poli | jm_: Thank you very much. :) |
| 11:13.51 | braun6 | caphuso i thought update-modules was only cating the files in etc/modutils |
| 11:14.00 | jm_ | poli: no worries |
| 11:14.12 | caphuso | braun6: wait, what kernel version are you using? |
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| 11:14.28 | braun6 | caphuso right now 2.4.24 |
| 11:14.39 | caphuso | braun6: hmmm, then i'm out of ideas |
| 11:14.55 | braun6 | ok :/ |
| 11:15.09 | braun6 | caphuso i'm trying an strace |
| 11:15.37 | streuner_ | poli: subcribe to debian-laptop mailing-list too |
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| 11:17.39 | braun6 | caphuso maybe it is looking for a module in /lib/modules ? |
| 11:18.22 | Zap-W | anyone here from israel? |
| 11:18.27 | poli | streuner_: Where is the list located? |
| 11:18.45 | caphuso | braun6: what's the strace saying? |
| 11:18.47 | nevyn | Zap-W: did you file a bug? |
| 11:18.49 | poli | streuner_: I got this one as payment for some consulting service. I was sooooo sad they gave me... :) |
| 11:18.51 | streuner_ | poli: go to www.debian.org there should be an link to subscribe |
| 11:18.52 | reedwood | does someone knows the problem that a system bootet kernel 2.6 does not recognice the keyboard - and perhaps has a solution? |
| 11:18.58 | poli | streuner_: Thank you! :) |
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| 11:19.08 | Zap-W | nevyn : it was compiled in vim-gtk |
| 11:19.12 | Zap-W | nevyn : but yes |
| 11:19.25 | poli | streuner_: I think I just got ACPI suspend working... I have to boot up to test... thanks again. |
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| 11:19.40 | nevyn | Zap-W: I can think of a reason why it might be... |
| 11:20.04 | braun6 | does someone know what update-modules is exactly doing ? |
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| 11:20.26 | caphuso | Zap-W's not going to make a lot of friends with that bug report |
| 11:20.27 | nevyn | Zap-W: if the functionality relies on the terminal being capable of something that the debian lowest common denominator terminal emulator isn't capable of. |
| 11:20.33 | nevyn | oh? |
| 11:20.43 | caphuso | subject all in caps... |
| 11:20.45 | Zap-W | caphuso : bleh , too late |
| 11:20.48 | nevyn | I said file a bug.. I ment normal tops... |
| 11:21.00 | caphuso | Zap-W: and it's a wishlist bug, not a normal one |
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| 11:21.03 | nevyn | oooh.. bad foo should have been more specific. |
| 11:21.10 | nevyn | caphuso: nope it's normal. |
| 11:21.14 | caphuso | nevyn: no, it's not |
| 11:21.19 | nevyn | hrm... |
| 11:21.34 | nevyn | is there anything between wishlist and normal? |
| 11:21.44 | caphuso | nevyn: yes |
| 11:21.51 | nevyn | what? |
| 11:22.07 | streuner_ | nevyn: no idea what that could be? :-) |
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| 11:22.26 | nevyn | heh |
| 11:22.26 | Zap-W | anyway i need someone that can read hebrew to test this hebrew text mail |
| 11:22.34 | Zap-W | it appears backwards in mutt |
| 11:22.48 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.48 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.48 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.57 | caphuso | "for any feature request"... |
| 11:23.25 | Zap-W | the feature is there already, just need to compile it |
| 11:23.27 | w00ter | omg.. |
| 11:23.28 | w00ter | In what could easily be mistaken for an Onion story, Microsoft has unleashed the full fury of its lawyers on 17-year-old Canadian high-school student, Mike Rowe, demanding the handover of his Internet domain. |
| 11:23.28 | w00ter | The domain? MikeRoweSoft.com. No, seriously. |
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| 11:23.47 | caphuso | w00ter: hahaha |
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| 11:23.50 | nevyn | umm it's not difficult to fix... |
| 11:23.59 | caphuso | there is no fixing necessary |
| 11:24.00 | streuner_ | nevyn: wishlist is to add another feature to the exsiting package, normal is a bug to the existing package |
| 11:24.10 | w00ter | http://www.security-forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11383 |
| 11:24.13 | caphuso | the vim package is supposed to be small and featureless |
| 11:24.26 | nevyn | streuner_: breaking i18n should be higher priority then. |
| 11:24.43 | Zap-W | how do i load an extrernal editor like vim to view an email in mutt |
| 11:24.44 | nevyn | caphuso: umm dude.. vim isn't featureless.. it's 6meg+ |
| 11:24.55 | nevyn | Zap-W: export PAGER=vim |
| 11:25.02 | nevyn | should work I think... |
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| 11:25.15 | nevyn | if not that change it in .muttrc |
| 11:26.35 | TomaHawK | hello |
| 11:26.43 | Zap-W | nevyn : and how do you load the pager |
| 11:26.45 | Zap-W | in mutt |
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| 11:27.18 | nevyn | Zap-W: :pager=vim |
| 11:27.30 | marian_laura | hii |
| 11:27.43 | ddm_ | is is possible to transfer directories with sftp' |
| 11:28.16 | nevyn | ddm_: yes have a look for the recursive option |
| 11:28.39 | Zap-W | nevyn : ? |
| 11:28.45 | Zap-W | nevyn : no such command |
| 11:28.47 | Zap-W | wld |
| 11:28.52 | nevyn | Zap-W: in mutt |
| 11:29.00 | nevyn | type :set pager=vim |
| 11:29.09 | nevyn | sorry forgot the set. |
| 11:30.14 | Zap-W | all good |
| 11:31.29 | ddm_ | nevyn: hmm i cant find it in the manual page...could you give more info |
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| 11:31.52 | caphuso | ddm_: use scp instead of sftp |
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| 11:32.57 | Summonthe | http://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=1942627 l:useradm p:assfuck <<--- best site ever |
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| 11:33.08 | poli | jm_: I'm almost there... I got it to suspend and hibernate, i just can't manage to wake it up. :) |
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| 11:33.20 | marian_laura | eoo |
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| 11:34.19 | doble_V | si |
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| 11:34.21 | doble_V | sis |
| 11:34.22 | doble_V | si |
| 11:34.24 | marian_laura | jajaja |
| 11:34.28 | doble_V | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.33 | marian_laura | qien eres |
| 11:34.37 | marian_laura | oeee |
| 11:34.40 | caphuso | marian_laura: stop it |
| 11:34.42 | marian_laura | !! |
| 11:34.42 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 11:34.56 | marian_laura | what?¿ |
| 11:35.07 | doble_V | marian laura d dd sois? |
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| 11:35.22 | zinx | Summonthe: don't spam |
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| 11:35.27 | marian_laura | d malga españa antequera |
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| 11:35.29 | marian_laura | jajaj |
| 11:35.34 | alexii | Summonthe: get lost |
| 11:35.52 | doble_V | NOSOTROS DE GRANADA |
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| 11:35.59 | TravisBarker | ok, i just got my cd burner working in Red Hat, so i can download the debian distro and burn it to cd (then install it) |
| 11:36.02 | ddm_ | caphuso: thanks i got it to work |
| 11:36.04 | marian_laura | si hombre! |
| 11:36.09 | h1ma7e | hi does anyone know how to boot a debian partition on a hard disk from a debian install CD? |
| 11:36.09 | TravisBarker | where is the best place for me to get the download? |
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| 11:36.23 | marian_laura | what! |
| 11:36.26 | doble_V | ALGUIEN ESPAÑOL? |
| 11:36.28 | poli | h1ma7e: rescure root=/dev/hdaX |
| 11:36.28 | doble_V | ALGUIEN ESPAÑOL? |
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| 11:36.30 | marian_laura | no me enterooo |
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| 11:36.37 | zinx | seems the lamers are all awake |
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| 11:37.06 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: /msg dpkg netinstall, /msg dpkg di, /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 11:37.10 | poli | h1ma7e: As I said: rescue root=/dev/hdaX |
| 11:37.18 | jm_ | poli: by echoing into /proc/foo ? |
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| 11:37.47 | h1ma7e | poli: isnt it rescue root=/dev/hdaX? |
| 11:37.56 | Rudenstam | I got a off the topic question.. gonna buy a new phone.. anyong working in an office or something that can recommend a speaker phone (not ISDN) |
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| 11:38.17 | TravisBarker | which one is the disk image? |
| 11:38.21 | TravisBarker | i want to burn it to cdrom |
| 11:38.25 | poli | jm_: Yes. If I echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep, it gets to software sleep. If I echo a 3 (I didn 't find references on this one, was a guess) it gets to hardware sleep. None of them wake up, thou. :) |
| 11:38.52 | poli | h1ma7e: Yes it is. |
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| 11:38.57 | TravisBarker | i dont want to do a net install, i wanna download/burn the distro to CDROM first |
| 11:39.21 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: why? |
| 11:39.36 | poli | jm_: Let's try again... |
| 11:39.42 | poli | jm_: Software sleep. |
| 11:39.47 | poli | jm_: BRB |
| 11:39.53 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: woody are 7 CD's |
| 11:40.12 | streuner_ | s/are/is/ |
| 11:40.23 | TravisBarker | because im on red hat, but while im doing the switch to debian im also going to set up dual boot to windows |
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| 11:40.49 | TravisBarker | so i need debian on cd so after i get windows installed i can go ahead with the debian installation from disk |
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| 11:41.15 | TravisBarker | im going to wipe the harddrive and start fresh |
| 11:41.15 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: well, the netinstall works too |
| 11:41.21 | hingwah | TravisBarker: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 11:41.43 | TravisBarker | streuner_, I DONT WANT TO DO A NET INSTALL |
| 11:41.55 | TravisBarker | hingwah: thanks |
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| 11:42.11 | SlayerXP | ooh, the amavis homepage is linking my howto |
| 11:42.21 | SplashCat | which howto? |
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| 11:43.54 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: THAT IS DAMN STUPID, BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT ONLY WHEN YOU I.E. DON't HAVE A FAST CONNECTION AT HOME |
| 11:44.10 | SplashCat | haha |
| 11:44.41 | TravisBarker | once i wipe this system i wont have ANY connection at home untill AFTER i install |
| 11:44.53 | The_Vulture | TravisBarker: what kind of 'net connection do you use? |
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| 11:44.59 | TravisBarker | adsl |
| 11:45.15 | SplashCat | TCP or PPPoE? |
| 11:45.24 | w00ter | or PPPoA... |
| 11:45.30 | SplashCat | that too |
| 11:45.46 | TravisBarker | what about DHCP |
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| 11:45.56 | w00ter | what about DHCP? |
| 11:45.57 | ComradeP | Could anyone give me an idea as to what might cause programs to randomly take ages (1-5 minutes) to startup? Not every time, but quite often.. programs like konqueror, MozillaFirebird, KDvi, XPdf etc... anything, really.... using Sid with KDE 3.1.4/Linux 2.6.1 |
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| 11:46.16 | SplashCat | DHCP should work fine from the net install |
| 11:46.26 | w00ter | yup |
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| 11:46.53 | ezra | hello |
| 11:47.07 | ezra | anyone know what i could possibly do to let me log in to web-cyradm |
| 11:47.08 | TravisBarker | ok, well everybody is telling me to go with the net install (and im listening) BUT i cant figure out how to do that from windows |
| 11:47.09 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: but it wouldn't support pppoe, download these packages with another OS and install it then, after setting up the base-system |
| 11:47.24 | craiger | when I download debian, do I need to download all the CDs or is just the first one fine? |
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| 11:48.18 | TravisBarker | it is rather confusing, being ON red hat planning ahead to wipe this system , install windows THEN install debian |
| 11:48.26 | jb34 | first one |
| 11:48.26 | hingwah | TravisBarker: how do netinstall related with windows? |
| 11:48.26 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: after you set up pppoe you do the rest (netinstall) |
| 11:48.43 | craiger | jb34: were you talking to me? |
| 11:48.44 | TravisBarker | i just want to make sure i have all the software i need on hard copy before i wipe (incase i cant get back online from windows) |
| 11:48.56 | jb34 | craiger : Yes sorry |
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| 11:49.03 | TravisBarker | does that make sense? |
| 11:49.08 | jb34 | craiger : U can then install everything with apt-get |
| 11:49.11 | SplashCat | that's understandable ;> |
| 11:49.17 | craiger | oh ok, cool thanks :) |
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| 11:49.31 | SplashCat | craiger: or dselect, if you're brave ;> |
| 11:49.33 | poli | jm_: And it works... :) |
| 11:49.35 | craiger | does debian support tv-out on ATI radeon video cards? |
| 11:49.39 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: if you planning to do Dual-boot, you install windows first at all... |
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| 11:49.47 | jm_ | poli: is this 2.6 ? |
| 11:49.47 | TravisBarker | right |
| 11:49.53 | TravisBarker | i have to install windows FIRST |
| 11:49.55 | TravisBarker | understood |
| 11:50.05 | streuner_ | ok, so what's the problem? |
| 11:50.07 | poli | jm_: yes... 2.6.1 |
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| 11:50.31 | TravisBarker | but i want to go ahead and GET debian on a cd while im in Red Hat incase windows wont get me back online to do the net install |
| 11:50.35 | TravisBarker | NOW do you get me? |
| 11:51.00 | poli | jm_: hardware suspend isn't ready yet, I guess, but software suspend works just fine. The good part is that sw suspend is hardware idenpendent... I will get used to use it in my desktop! |
| 11:51.00 | SplashCat | if you're booting Debian, windows won't matter.. |
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| 11:51.08 | TravisBarker | ugg |
| 11:51.14 | SplashCat | Debian will have to connect to the net on it's own anyhow.. |
| 11:51.18 | Toolah | Evening all. I can no longer hear anything through my headphones when playing a CD on my laptop. The other night I chgrp of /dev/hdb from disk to cdrom so that my user in cdrom group would be able to play cd's - and now the cd plays, but I can't hear anything. |
| 11:51.23 | jm_ | poli: ahh swsusp works, didn't you have a problem with too small swap ? |
| 11:51.31 | KeithWeisshar | where can i get the newest netinst cd for debian 3.0r2 |
| 11:51.39 | SplashCat | if it's just a TCP connection and you just need DHCP support, Debian will ask about that in the install.. |
| 11:51.49 | streuner_ | SplashCat: true, but debian-netinstall doesn't support pppoe... |
| 11:52.00 | poli | jm_: I had to small FAT32 partition dedicated to CodeWarrior, but it was worth it!! :):):) |
| 11:52.08 | SplashCat | TravisBarker: are you using PPPoE? |
| 11:52.11 | poli | jm_: I had to kill it, I mean... ;) |
| 11:52.18 | TravisBarker | can i not just download what i need of debian NOW , burn it to disk so i will have it after i install windows? |
| 11:52.22 | KeithWeisshar | just run pppoeconf after installing base system |
| 11:52.23 | TravisBarker | it seems simple enough |
| 11:52.25 | hingwah | KeithWeisshar: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 11:52.51 | SplashCat | hmm |
| 11:52.53 | filp | Toolah: why don't you change the group back, and find a way that doesn't break your system? |
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| 11:53.13 | jm_ | poli: ahh |
| 11:53.14 | SplashCat | you could just download the first CD.. that'd get you the base system, then run pppoeconf, like KeithWeisshar suggests |
| 11:53.14 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: why, you download the pppoe packages with windows and install it afterwards to debian |
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| 11:53.47 | TravisBarker | streuner_, you are obviously not listening to me IM NOT SURE WINDOWS WILL GET ME ONLINE |
| 11:53.53 | TravisBarker | so |
| 11:53.55 | KeithWeisshar | which first cd should i use, there are two different versions |
| 11:54.13 | SplashCat | hmm |
| 11:54.23 | KeithWeisshar | should i use jigdo to compile the cd |
| 11:54.28 | SplashCat | I don't suppose anyone remembers how to check if he's running PPPoE in RedHat? ;> |
| 11:54.31 | TravisBarker | while i _AM_ online why not download the debian bootable and burn it |
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| 11:54.36 | TravisBarker | ??? |
| 11:54.45 | SplashCat | that's what we're saying to do |
| 11:54.45 | Shorty^ | whats the regex characther for that underlined M? |
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| 11:55.10 | craiger | If I have debian 3.0r1, should I bother downloading 3.0r2 or can I just update everything when I'm installing it? I have cd1 of 3.0r1 |
| 11:55.12 | TravisBarker | i dont know about pppoe |
| 11:55.17 | looksaus | any suggestions on the most free (speech) way to get a conexant linmodem working under linux? |
| 11:55.37 | filp | looksaus: buy a real modem |
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| 11:55.50 | TravisBarker | the only acronym associated with my current net connection is DHCP and aDSL (that i know of) |
| 11:55.52 | filp | looksaus: couldn't resist |
| 11:56.11 | looksaus | filp, I buy a real modem if it's for myself |
| 11:56.19 | SplashCat | Travis: then the netinst CD should just work.. |
| 11:56.22 | looksaus | but I'm switching over my boss |
| 11:56.29 | TravisBarker | ok |
| 11:56.39 | filp | looksaus: why should that stop you? |
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| 11:56.47 | Shorty^ | anyone!? |
| 11:56.52 | streuner_ | no, it won't , the netinstall-stuff doesn't support pppoe |
| 11:57.03 | looksaus | because we're in an underfunded public institution? |
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| 11:57.17 | SplashCat | strerror_ which doesn't matter if he's not using PPPoE ;> |
| 11:57.29 | streuner_ | that is true then :-) |
| 11:57.30 | filp | looksaus: I support many charities, they manage |
| 11:57.45 | simonrvn | looksaus: a 56k external modem wouldn't run you up that much, a used one would be even less |
| 11:57.54 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: do you have an router/gateway? |
| 11:58.15 | filp | looksaus: if you want to convince some one that Linux is a good idea, I wouldn't start with a winmodem |
| 11:58.19 | TravisBarker | i have adsl modem > ethernet pci |
| 11:58.19 | simonrvn | looksaus: and you'd get somewhere faster (faster as in not so much fiddling with it) |
| 11:58.31 | looksaus | hm, maybe you're right |
| 11:58.32 | simonrvn | a lot less :) |
| 11:59.03 | looksaus | maybe I should just go out and buy one myself |
| 11:59.03 | craiger | If I have debian 3.0r1, should I bother downloading 3.0r2 or can I just update everything when I'm installing it? I have cd1 of 3.0r1 |
| 11:59.03 | filp | looksaus: you want the whole Linux thing to go smoothly don't you? |
| 11:59.06 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: can you connect other PC's to the modem as well? |
| 11:59.09 | looksaus | that's right |
| 11:59.11 | SplashCat | that should be TCP then |
| 11:59.12 | simonrvn | get an old USR ext. modem, they're reliable, and you can upgrade the firmware if need be |
| 11:59.21 | Shorty^ | anybody? |
| 11:59.22 | TravisBarker | only have one pc on this net connection |
| 11:59.33 | simonrvn | Shorty^: /me no clue, sorry |
| 11:59.36 | TravisBarker | phone line > adsl modem > nick card in my pc |
| 11:59.36 | looksaus | hm, I'll have a look for a decent pcmcia thing |
| 11:59.39 | Shorty^ | otay. |
| 11:59.57 | TravisBarker | so i am connected using eth0 |
| 12:00.03 | looksaus | it might get the message through quite clearly |
| 12:00.14 | Toolah | filp, changed /dev/hdb back to disk group but could still not hear any sound through the headphones. My audio is not working on my laptop but I have always been able to play cd's through my headphones before - how could I have broken it? |
| 12:00.15 | simonrvn | Shorty^: you looking for what character exactly? |
| 12:00.18 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: ok, so you need the 1. CD of woody or you make sure you have the necessary packages for pppoe in order to use a netinstallCD |
| 12:00.18 | looksaus | "don't but stinkin' closed-spec hardware" |
| 12:00.28 | Shorty^ | the underlined M |
| 12:00.28 | simonrvn | looksaus: exactly |
| 12:00.38 | SplashCat | um |
| 12:00.45 | SplashCat | how are you sure he's running PPPoE? |
| 12:00.46 | filp | Toolah: probably by typing in commands you don't fully understand |
| 12:00.48 | simonrvn | Shorty^: as in? |
| 12:00.59 | filp | Toolah: that's how most people break things |
| 12:01.00 | TravisBarker | i dont think im running PPPoE |
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| 12:01.17 | TravisBarker | i remember trying that once and it said "i dont think so" |
| 12:01.17 | SplashCat | bah.. whatever =P You're safer with the whole first CD, TravisBarker ;> |
| 12:01.20 | streuner_ | interesting :-) |
| 12:01.25 | craiger | If I have debian 3.0r1, should I bother downloading 3.0r2 or can I just update everything when I'm installing it? I have cd1 of 3.0r1 |
| 12:01.26 | Shorty^ | I know you go ^V^M |
| 12:01.28 | looksaus | any idea on what price I should pay for a hardware pcmcia modem? |
| 12:01.29 | Shorty^ | and it pops up |
| 12:01.30 | SplashCat | with luck, you'll be able to select net install anyway.. |
| 12:01.35 | TravisBarker | sure |
| 12:01.44 | TravisBarker | so, link to the whole cd? |
| 12:01.46 | looksaus | approximately? |
| 12:01.53 | SplashCat | and just have a really big net install CD ;> |
| 12:02.00 | reliz | what package do i need to get for php in apache-ssl? |
| 12:02.04 | simonrvn | Shorty^: yeh, pretty much. should work in a shell too. that's a linefeed BTW |
| 12:02.09 | TravisBarker | i dont mind taking a while to dl the cd |
| 12:02.12 | looksaus | ok, maybe that question was OT |
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| 12:02.29 | Toolah | looksaus, I had to pay about AUD$250 for my netcomm global cardmodem56 (CM5600) |
| 12:02.38 | Shorty^ | simonrvn; how do I get rid of them? |
| 12:02.46 | simonrvn | s/ |
| 12:02.53 | simonrvn | woops :) |
| 12:02.58 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: just google for telia, iam sure there is an HOWTO to set it up for linux... |
| 12:03.12 | simonrvn | Shorty^: s/^v^m//g |
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| 12:03.24 | TravisBarker | can you post a link to the cd we decided i need? |
| 12:03.38 | simonrvn | TravisBarker: www.debian.org/CD |
| 12:03.40 | Shorty^ | tah |
| 12:03.42 | TravisBarker | yea |
| 12:03.43 | TravisBarker | thanks |
| 12:03.50 | SplashCat | ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/3.0_r1/i386/debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:04.00 | SplashCat | assuming you're running i386 ;> |
| 12:04.04 | TravisBarker | quick n00b question |
| 12:04.08 | Shorty^ | hmm |
| 12:04.10 | simonrvn | he might need non-us, if he isn't in the u.s. |
| 12:04.10 | Shorty^ | thatg didn't work |
| 12:04.38 | Toolah | I can still hear the system beeps through the headphones - why would I not be able to hear music? I always presumed the headphones jack was hardwired to the cdrom |
| 12:04.41 | simonrvn | i'd try 3.0r2 anyway |
| 12:04.47 | TravisBarker | i am running AMD 2200+ so i could run i686 <--- are there any advantages to this? |
| 12:04.48 | SlayerXP | TravisBarker: this is #debian not #unrealtournament. please leave the idiotisms outside. |
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| 12:05.23 | SlayerXP | TravisBarker: most applications spend 99% of their time waiting for user input, do you need them to do nothing faster? |
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| 12:05.33 | Sputnikc | i got my first notebook and i want to install debian on it (its a pII 266) but i want a network install using pcmcia Xircom modem/net card where do i get support for that card in install cd? |
| 12:05.35 | simonrvn | Toolah: maybe you don't have a cable linking the cdrom to the sound device on your mobo/sound card |
| 12:05.38 | SplashCat | it's a reasonable question |
| 12:05.46 | Zap-W | jm_: what was the name of the gtk2 mail user agent you mentioned? |
| 12:05.50 | filp | Toolah: have you checked dmesg, is your sound card showing up |
| 12:06.10 | jm_ | Zap-W: sylpheed |
| 12:06.12 | TravisBarker | SlayerXP: it is a reasonable question, DOES it do nothing faster if i use i686? |
| 12:06.16 | TravisBarker | because yes |
| 12:06.16 | simonrvn | Sputnikc: load any modules you need during install.. read the install guide for details |
| 12:06.25 | TravisBarker | i do want it to do nothing faster (if it will) |
| 12:06.29 | SlayerXP | TravisBarker: some few specific applications may benefit, the vast majority won't. |
| 12:06.39 | Toolah | simonrvn, it is a laptop and have not physically changed anything since last night when the sound was working. No, sound has never been set up and working on this |
| 12:06.52 | simonrvn | crypto apps will benefit, some few others will too |
| 12:06.56 | reliz | anyone knows what package i need to run php4 in apache-ssl? |
| 12:06.59 | filp | Toolah: dmesg ? |
| 12:07.03 | Sputnikc | simonrvn: the problem is that i have no experience with laptops/pcmcia so i don't really know what modules i need |
| 12:07.05 | TravisBarker | ok, thanks |
| 12:07.31 | Toolah | let me clarity - build in sound card is not configured - but have been able to listem to CD's using headphones and using dcd |
| 12:07.40 | TravisBarker | is Debian geared tward KDE or Gnome? |
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| 12:07.47 | SlayerXP | TravisBarker: neither. |
| 12:07.53 | simonrvn | Sputnikc: during the install, you do alt-F2, hit enter, then do cat /proc/pci, and load any modules you ight need based on the info /proc/pci gives you |
| 12:08.07 | TravisBarker | what is it geared tward then? |
| 12:08.17 | SlayerXP | TravisBarker: being free. |
| 12:08.24 | simonrvn | TravisBarker: it has both, and more, including xfce3 and 4, and others as well. |
| 12:08.25 | Sputnikc | simonrvn: ok, thx |
| 12:08.27 | Toolah | do you want the whole dmesg in #flood? |
| 12:08.29 | TravisBarker | great |
| 12:09.10 | simonrvn | reliz: same as for apache. apache-ssl is just apache with mod_ssl built in |
| 12:09.28 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: do you can read some german? |
| 12:09.39 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: mmm, aren't apache-ssl and mod_ssl completely different implementations? |
| 12:09.44 | TravisBarker | i can read some swedish |
| 12:09.51 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 12:10.00 | TravisBarker | ergo i can read _some_ (less) german :-) |
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| 12:10.04 | knix | TravisBarker: debian is just an OS |
| 12:10.10 | bedboi | hi there |
| 12:10.15 | knix | the gui on top has pretty much nothing to do with it |
| 12:10.19 | reliz | simonrvn: so i can just copy the line LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so to apache-ssl conf? |
| 12:10.25 | TravisBarker | knix: no, linux is an os, debian is a distro |
| 12:10.32 | knix | no |
| 12:10.33 | TravisBarker | a distro OF an os |
| 12:10.35 | knix | linux is a kernel |
| 12:10.37 | knix | debian is an os |
| 12:10.40 | simonrvn | reliz: i'd do it using aapcheconfig or modules-config |
| 12:10.45 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: http://adsl4linux.de/howtos/ - basically you need only the parameters for telia... |
| 12:10.45 | simonrvn | apa* |
| 12:10.45 | unimike | eh @ knix |
| 12:10.53 | knix | TravisBarker: you cant simply run linux |
| 12:10.57 | TravisBarker | streuner_, again thanks |
| 12:10.58 | knix | it needs an OS to go with it ;) |
| 12:10.59 | filp | TravisBarker: no linux is a kernel |
| 12:11.07 | TravisBarker | knix sure you can |
| 12:11.20 | knix | and how do you do this? |
| 12:11.27 | bedboi | i downloaded and compiled an application from a deb-source repository. Now i need infos about how to make a deb package |
| 12:11.35 | simonrvn | reliz: you could do it that way too if you want, but might as well get used to doing it with the provided tools, it's faster than opening up an editor and c&p it |
| 12:11.59 | The_Vulture | bedboi: read the maint guide |
| 12:12.00 | TravisBarker | <--- ignore him |
| 12:12.13 | TravisBarker | i dont know |
| 12:12.37 | knix | so stop trying to prove an entirely incorrect point ;) |
| 12:12.41 | knix | but anyways |
| 12:12.48 | knix | you can run any windowmanager/desktop you please |
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| 12:13.18 | knix | kde, gnome, windowmaker, blackbox, openbsd, xfce, anything you can get running :) |
| 12:13.46 | bedboi | The_Vulture: can you point me to an url? |
| 12:13.48 | keta | knix: openbsd? |
| 12:13.56 | knix | what? |
| 12:14.24 | bedboi | The_Vulture: stupid me... apt-get install maint-guide :) |
| 12:14.29 | The_Vulture | indeed |
| 12:14.37 | bedboi | ;) |
| 12:14.45 | knix | keta: hahahaha |
| 12:14.46 | knix | sorry |
| 12:14.49 | knix | make that openBOX |
| 12:14.50 | knix | rofl |
| 12:15.32 | keta | knix: ah, (black|flux|open)box :) |
| 12:15.38 | The_Vulture | black here |
| 12:15.55 | knix | yeah ;) |
| 12:15.56 | TravisBarker | 3 hours 30 minutes for me to download the disk image |
| 12:16.01 | knix | windowmaker here >:F |
| 12:16.19 | SplashCat | okay.. I know I'm missing something simple.. I'm running debian stable on an i386 machine that's acting as a general net server (web, mail, ftp, etc) I'm using Postfix as the MTA, and for some reason mail refuses to deliver, either to or from the machine, or locally.. |
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| 12:16.32 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: what i-net connection do you have 1024/512= |
| 12:16.39 | streuner_ | ? |
| 12:17.19 | TravisBarker | umm i have no idea |
| 12:17.19 | keta | blackbox, I remember that after my first potato install I wasn't able to figure out why I had graphics with a 500kb package |
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| 12:17.20 | TravisBarker | im connected at 52.2KB/s |
| 12:17.20 | filp | SplashCat: and what error do you get in /var/log/mail.log |
| 12:17.40 | unimike | I forgot what it is like on dial up |
| 12:18.04 | simonrvn | that isn't dial up, that looks like a slow dsl |
| 12:18.16 | TravisBarker | it is a slow dsl |
| 12:18.23 | Gujin | hey anyone know how can I get to the cvs of mozilla-firebird? |
| 12:18.26 | pablob | anyone knows how to get the MAC adress of a given interface (say eth0) from a shell script? |
| 12:18.31 | simonrvn | which implies pppoX |
| 12:18.41 | simonrvn | X = a|e|other |
| 12:18.42 | TravisBarker | i cant afford the fast dsl :-) |
| 12:18.43 | baffle | How do I set a users default ulimit-setting? (nproc, nofile) I've set it /etc/security/limits.conf, but that doesn't change anything. |
| 12:18.49 | SplashCat | Jan 19 04:14:15 mephitsune postfix/smtpd[23040]: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/virtual.db: No such file or directory |
| 12:19.04 | jm_ | baffle: make sure pam uses pam_limits module |
| 12:19.11 | filp | SplashCat: any other questions ? |
| 12:19.16 | simonrvn | SplashCat: means that it can't find the vhost db file |
| 12:19.36 | baffle | jm_: Does that also work when the process is started from an init-script? |
| 12:19.38 | filp | SplashCat: maybe one that your own system is telling you the answer |
| 12:20.37 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: what modem do you have? |
| 12:20.42 | SplashCat | okay.. I have /etc/postfix/vertual how do I generate virtual.db again? |
| 12:20.52 | SplashCat | er virtual -_- |
| 12:20.56 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: you'll need a driver as well... |
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| 12:21.12 | filp | SplashCat: cd /etc/postfix && postmap virtual |
| 12:21.24 | unimike | pablob ifconfig |
| 12:21.24 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: maybe |
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| 12:21.33 | filp | SplashCat: of course reading the extensive docco on the postfix.org site is a good option |
| 12:21.45 | simonrvn | always :) |
| 12:21.47 | SplashCat | thank you flip |
| 12:22.06 | SplashCat | heh.. I knew it was something simple I was forgetting ;> |
| 12:22.13 | simonrvn | bah :P |
| 12:22.25 | TravisBarker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.29 | jm_ | baffle: no |
| 12:22.33 | pablob | unimike: but ifconfig is located in /sbin, so i cant use it in a shell script |
| 12:22.33 | filp | SplashCat: try getting the name right |
| 12:22.38 | knix | hehe |
| 12:23.00 | filp | pablob: try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:23.19 | simonrvn | pablob: uh, who says? just specify the full path |
| 12:23.21 | TravisBarker | streuner_, what driver am i going to need? |
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| 12:23.44 | unimike | pablob you can telnet/ssh to the shell and do the ifconfig |
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| 12:23.53 | streuner_ | pablob: look for the ifupdown package, there should be an script for getting the MAC |
| 12:24.15 | simonrvn | dpkg -L ifupdown |
| 12:24.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching ifupdown |
| 12:24.18 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: no idea, depends what modem you use |
| 12:24.26 | simonrvn | dpkg: hush you |
| 12:24.26 | dpkg | simonrvn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:24.29 | TravisBarker | aah modem driver |
| 12:25.02 | pablob | yes, you are right ... |
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| 12:25.22 | The_Ball | is there anyone familiar with xcircuit here? |
| 12:25.38 | simonrvn | dpkg hush you is <reply>try again, bub. |
| 12:25.38 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 12:25.46 | pablob | I had the (wrong) idea that you cant run */sbin/ progams unless you are root |
| 12:25.46 | TravisBarker | well i have a pretty standard Dlink aDSL modem but im not sure if my nick card will get picked up (its VIA rhine |
| 12:26.19 | unimike | pablob actually you can run it as non root you jus thave to give it a full path otherwise log in as root |
| 12:26.31 | Zap-W | quit |
| 12:26.39 | TravisBarker | or put sbin in your path for the love of god |
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| 12:27.01 | keta | TravisBarker: s/nick/nic |
| 12:27.05 | simonrvn | pablob: you can run them, but you can't say, open a privileged port, or edit anything, or anything that would require admin privs. you can however display the --help, or read-only data, or stuff like that |
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| 12:27.21 | MicW | hi! |
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| 12:27.33 | TravisBarker | keta ? |
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| 12:27.45 | cafuego | TravisBarker: a 2.4.x kernel should see it |
| 12:27.52 | simonrvn | this of course doesn not imply you should give /sbin paths to users... |
| 12:27.52 | keta | TravisBarker: nevermind, anyway via rhine works fine |
| 12:27.53 | TravisBarker | s/what/was this??? |
| 12:27.56 | MicW | is there a known (unfixed?) exploit in the current woody apache (1.3.26-0woody3) or it's modules? |
| 12:27.59 | TravisBarker | aah |
| 12:27.59 | TravisBarker | ok |
| 12:28.02 | SlayerXP | have we had the daily visit from the rima-tde.net retard department yet? |
| 12:28.06 | cafuego | TravisBarker: sed search&replace syntax |
| 12:28.12 | caphuso | SlayerXP: yes |
| 12:28.20 | SlayerXP | oh good. |
| 12:28.26 | TravisBarker | i KNOW what s/?/? is |
| 12:28.33 | keta | TravisBarker: it's also in bf2.4 and debian precompiled images |
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| 12:28.37 | simonrvn | TravisBarker: means substitute latter for former. it's a correction |
| 12:28.40 | TravisBarker | i was wondering why s/nick/nic tho |
| 12:28.50 | cafuego | TravisBarker: a network card is a nic, not a nick |
| 12:28.52 | keta | TravisBarker: sou say "nick card" |
| 12:29.00 | cafuego | Network Interface Card |
| 12:29.01 | simonrvn | NIC. network interface card |
| 12:29.03 | TravisBarker | aah type o |
| 12:29.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: :) |
| 12:29.12 | simonrvn | typo |
| 12:29.12 | cafuego | nic or NI card |
| 12:29.14 | keta | TravisBarker: I dunno if you give nick names to your NICs :-) |
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| 12:29.27 | simonrvn | typo == typographical error |
| 12:29.29 | unimike | the porn greeter ;) |
| 12:29.32 | ezra | cafuego: good morning |
| 12:29.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: ? |
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| 12:29.52 | cafuego | ezra: gutenwurst |
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| 12:30.01 | simonrvn | cafuego: we replied at the same time, with same info |
| 12:30.02 | TravisBarker | not only am i being told how to %s/substitute/stuff but im being informed what NIC stands for because "nick" is apparently a mistake worth being corrected |
| 12:30.08 | cafuego | 32 minutes to go til morning, though |
| 12:30.13 | TravisBarker | :-) |
| 12:30.20 | cafuego | simonrvn: No, iw as clearly faster |
| 12:30.24 | annoia | How much would I gain from compiling everything myself vs. running the debian-compiled sparc packages, when I run an UltraSPARC 3i? |
| 12:30.24 | simonrvn | TravisBarker: get over it already |
| 12:30.28 | ezra | cafuego: i don't suppose you have any suggestions for me... i've got web-cyradm up, but it won't let me login and i've been at it for some time now :) |
| 12:30.28 | wethion_ | Good Morning all... I have a debian 2.4 kernel installed, the usb-storage and pci-hotplug modules insmodded, and when I run /etc/init.d/hotplug it tells me it can't synthesize pci events. Yes. the usb drive is plugged in and detecting a USB connection (it's an Archos mp3 player). suggestions? |
| 12:30.34 | simonrvn | cafuego: that that matters :) |
| 12:30.39 | simonrvn | like that* |
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| 12:30.48 | h1ma71 | hi i want to mount a fat32 partition on the command line.. how do i do it? |
| 12:30.48 | ezra | i've added the sql code using the scripts in /scripts |
| 12:31.06 | filp | h1ma71: man mount |
| 12:31.19 | TravisBarker | nok problemk ik willk spellk nic rightk fromk nowk onk |
| 12:31.22 | ezra | basically followed everything that HOWTO says to do but the HOWTO doesn't say what to do if the web-cyradm won't let you log in :P |
| 12:31.24 | TravisBarker | ;-) |
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| 12:31.40 | cafuego | ezra: it should let you in with what you're specified as admin account in smptd.conf |
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| 12:31.46 | keta | ezra: cyrus is evil |
| 12:31.49 | cafuego | TravisBarker: oogd |
| 12:31.56 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: not today no (re: rime-tde) |
| 12:32.10 | fiestera | hola |
| 12:32.11 | KeithWeisshar | are there problems with pppoe when trying to use apt-get |
| 12:32.17 | baffle | jm_: Any idea how I set limits for processes started from an init-script? Except doing it in the script itself, ofcourse.. :) |
| 12:32.21 | simonrvn | maybe i spoke too soon... |
| 12:32.23 | TravisBarker | oh ... %s/k*// |
| 12:32.23 | wethion_ | Oh, and lspci does not show the controller. |
| 12:32.24 | cafuego | !+spanish |
| 12:32.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 12:32.32 | ezra | cafuego: you mean in /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf ? |
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| 12:32.37 | simonrvn | fiestera: ^^ |
| 12:32.39 | cafuego | ezra: *nod* |
| 12:32.49 | ezra | cafuego: all i have in that file is this: pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 12:32.49 | Xandre | alguien del espi??????? |
| 12:32.54 | cafuego | Hablas dildomania usted? |
| 12:33.06 | cafuego | !tell Xandre about ep |
| 12:33.10 | streuner_ | KeithWeisshar: no, if your i-net-connection working - there are no problems at all |
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| 12:33.17 | simonrvn | @tell Xandre about spanish |
| 12:33.29 | keta | I don't know spanish but this last one was funny |
| 12:33.39 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 12:33.54 | udo | Xandre: este canal es en ingles por favoer respete las normas |
| 12:33.59 | MicW | i got a fresh set up woody box hacked over apache :( seems to be an unfixed exploit |
| 12:33.59 | cirrus | maybe someone can offer me some advice - i appear to have configured an incorrect colour setting in KDM and cannot now boot my system. is there an easy way to solve this? |
| 12:34.00 | jm_ | baffle: well init script really |
| 12:34.03 | simonrvn | udo: thanks |
| 12:34.04 | keta | too much spam, to much matches on dildo on my bogofilter :) |
| 12:34.08 | udo | ok |
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| 12:34.34 | filp | MicW: fairly unlikely |
| 12:34.35 | baffle | jm_: Oh, koay. |
| 12:34.37 | simonrvn | @tell cirrus about nodm |
| 12:34.39 | baffle | jm_: Thanks. |
| 12:34.52 | jm_ | baffle: np |
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| 12:35.09 | MicW | filp: it was a mass defacement so i think it's a common security hole |
| 12:35.27 | MicW | filp: and almost every thin on that box are debian packages |
| 12:35.31 | MicW | thing |
| 12:35.34 | cafuego | MicW: Is that woody up to date? |
| 12:35.39 | simonrvn | or admin misconfig |
| 12:35.44 | cafuego | MicW: As in: security updates? |
| 12:35.45 | simonrvn | or not up-to-date |
| 12:35.53 | h1ma71 | how do i list all devices that are hard disks? |
| 12:35.57 | MicW | cafuego: i do apt-get update and upgrade every day |
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| 12:36.01 | cafuego | h1ma71: fdisk -l |
| 12:36.16 | MicW | how can i check if that works correctly? |
| 12:36.40 | KeithWeisshar | what are the changes between debian 3.0r1 and r2 |
| 12:36.40 | filp | MicW: what does it print to stdout ? |
| 12:36.57 | MicW | Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 12:36.59 | MicW | [...] |
| 12:37.00 | h1ma71 | thanks cafuego |
| 12:37.04 | MicW | (width update) |
| 12:37.13 | simonrvn | KeithWeisshar: security updates mostly |
| 12:37.27 | cirrus | simonrvn: thanks but do not seem to be able to get to a console! |
| 12:37.29 | cafuego | MicW: then you should eprhaps see how the pages were defaced and file a bugreport. |
| 12:37.32 | simonrvn | KeithWeisshar: include security.debian.org in sources.list, you'll have the same stuff |
| 12:37.41 | simonrvn | cirrus: ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 12:37.53 | MicW | cafuego: the only thing i found where some "sh: (some error)" in error.log |
| 12:37.55 | cafuego | MicW: Not running wu-ftpd by any chance? |
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| 12:38.13 | KeithWeisshar | when is debian sarge coming out |
| 12:38.21 | MicW | no. running proftp (debian package) against mysql |
| 12:38.23 | cafuego | KeithWeisshar: when it's finished |
| 12:38.29 | filp | MicW: what makes you say it was apache that was hacked? |
| 12:38.34 | cafuego | MicW: Is that a fixed proftpd? |
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| 12:38.39 | ezra | cafuego: when it says i should do "mv /var/run/sasl2 /var/run/sasl2-old |
| 12:38.39 | ezra | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.42 | ezra | sorry |
| 12:38.45 | ezra | sec |
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| 12:38.55 | MicW | flip: all changes where done as www-data |
| 12:38.59 | Unkny | anyone know why the Ethernet Pro 100 intel dosent work with debian ? |
| 12:39.05 | cafuego | ezra: You probably don't have that directory |
| 12:39.06 | vampiresa | eeeeeeeeeooooooooooooo |
| 12:39.10 | h1ma71 | what's the easiest way to create and format a partition? |
| 12:39.13 | MicW | cafuego: is the original debian proftpd fixed? |
| 12:39.15 | vampiresa | hay alguien? |
| 12:39.26 | cafuego | MicW: Dunno, I run a fixed-by-myself one |
| 12:39.27 | filp | MicW: that doesn't have much to do with anything |
| 12:39.29 | TravisBarker | h1ma71, cfdisk ? |
| 12:39.31 | cirrus | simonrvn: sorry bud ctrl-alt-f1 not seem to do anything |
| 12:39.31 | vampiresa | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:39.39 | cafuego | vampiresa: /msg dpkg spanish |
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| 12:39.44 | ezra | when it says i should do "mv /var/run/sasl2 /var/run/sasl2-old" and then "ln -s /var/run/saslauthd /var/run/sasl2", the file /var/run/sasl2 doesn't exist for me... |
| 12:39.47 | ezra | oh |
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| 12:39.52 | MicW | filp: the backdoor was runing as www-data |
| 12:39.52 | ezra | ok so that's normal? |
| 12:39.54 | ezra | *phew* |
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| 12:40.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 12:40.09 | filp | MicW: so you run a root kit checker? |
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| 12:40.18 | ezra | cafuego: so how does postfix know how to find the saslauthd socket then? |
| 12:40.19 | MicW | filp: the old setup (an old suse) was also hacked (one week ago, same defacement, also every thng as wwwrun) |
| 12:40.20 | filp | s/you/you've |
| 12:40.37 | cafuego | ezra: it uses the sasl libraries, they know. |
| 12:40.41 | cirrus | the hard disk is thrashing endlessly and every so often i see a login prompt for about half a second then the screen goes blank again |
| 12:40.44 | ezra | cafuego: ok cool |
| 12:40.52 | filp | MicW: did you change passwords? |
| 12:40.54 | h1ma71 | can i resize a fat32 partition after creating it? |
| 12:40.59 | ezra | main.cf seems to be in order then... |
| 12:40.59 | cafuego | ezra: it's in /var/run/saslauthd btw.,.. but you wanna chmod that to 750 |
| 12:41.05 | simonrvn | yup, that net café troll is back |
| 12:41.19 | streuner_ | h1ma71: not with linux |
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| 12:41.33 | cafuego | -al |
| 12:41.35 | MicW | flip: ofcourse. all pass new and high secure |
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| 12:41.54 | filp | MicW: it's filp, not flip |
| 12:42.16 | MicW | sorry. have to type fast |
| 12:42.42 | cafuego | MicW: f<tab> is faster ;-) |
| 12:42.43 | filp | MicW: it seems a little unlikely to have been hacked twice like that, what are you running, a child pornography site? |
| 12:42.55 | ezra | cafuego: well, in my email client it asks me for a password... so i'm getting close... but i can't log in to the web-cyradm despite checking and double cehcking my MySQL GRANTS are in order |
| 12:43.00 | filp | MicW: it's more likely someone inside your org |
| 12:43.03 | fudje | Does anyone know of a utility that will search through a file without loading it into memory? |
| 12:43.04 | h1ma71 | what's the difference between the W95 FAT32(LBA) and W95 FAT32 filesystems? |
| 12:43.10 | MicW | filp: it's a hosting server running much domains |
| 12:43.19 | cafuego | ezra: What does mysqld log when you attempt a web-cyradm login? |
| 12:43.24 | keta | uhm nothing on the bts, yesterday I had a crash (oopses, IO erroros on root fs) on a machine with xfs on normal a ide hd, xfs_repair and all other xfs tools in xfsprogs complained of a library lack, I was running 2.4.23, the last one the debian patch applied to, should I think on changing the hd? |
| 12:43.30 | MicW | chkrootkit found nothing |
| 12:43.32 | wethion_ | Good Morning all... I have a debian 2.4 kernel installed, the usb-storage and pci-hotplug modules insmodded, and when I run /etc/init.d/hotplug it tells me it can't synthesize pci events. Yes. the usb drive is plugged in and detecting a USB connection (it's an Archos mp3 player). suggestions? |
| 12:43.33 | filp | MicW: so I'm hoping that's a no to child porn |
| 12:43.37 | TravisBarker | ok, so once i download debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso if i burn it to a CDROM it will boot? |
| 12:43.49 | MicW | filp: no porn at all ;) |
| 12:43.57 | TravisBarker | i mean is that a bootable image or do i need to make a boot disk ? |
| 12:43.59 | ezra | cafuego: /var/log/mysql/mysql.err is 0 bytes :( |
| 12:44.09 | cafuego | ezra: yes, that's OK. |
| 12:44.18 | Unkny | someone that have problem with the drivers to Ethernet Pro 100 ? |
| 12:44.18 | ezra | cafuego: oh ok cool |
| 12:44.19 | SlayerXP | if you suspect your machine has been compromised, there is only one course of action. backup user data, zero the disk and reinstall from trusted media. |
| 12:44.38 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: yes, if your BIOS support it |
| 12:44.38 | filp | MicW: so you had updates from security.debian.org being applied to your system? |
| 12:44.47 | TravisBarker | if my BIOS supports booting from CD? |
| 12:44.48 | ezra | cafuego: OH! i just saw it, /var/log/mysql.log |
| 12:44.56 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: yes |
| 12:45.01 | h1ma71 | what is a good utility to format once i've partitined with cfdisk? |
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| 12:45.13 | SlayerXP | h1ma71: mkfs |
| 12:45.16 | ezra | cafuego: this maybe? 114 Connect cyrus@localhost as anonymous on |
| 12:45.17 | cafuego | ezra: .. depdning on how you have the server set up (mine logs all queries) |
| 12:45.43 | MicW | filp: my provider installed an up-to-date image. today i got the fist security update since it's up (about a week). this update was for mc |
| 12:45.44 | streuner_ | TravisBarker: only old mobos have such issues, so don't worry |
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| 12:46.10 | cafuego | MicW: Which kernel are you running? |
| 12:46.11 | h1ma71 | SlayerXP: isnt there a tool that will autodetect the partition type? |
| 12:46.23 | MicW | 2.4.20 |
| 12:46.28 | MicW | (the debian) |
| 12:46.42 | filp | h1ma71: fdisk -l |
| 12:46.44 | SlayerXP | h1ma71: no idea. presumably you know what partition type you want. |
| 12:46.46 | cafuego | MicW: in *woody* ? |
| 12:47.02 | cafuego | MicW: Woody don't come with 2.4.20 |
| 12:47.02 | Vicious | (06:17:30) _ -|- raphael [~raphael@202.161.24.52] has joined #debian |
| 12:47.02 | Vicious | (06:17:39) _ < braun6 > caphuso maybe it is looking for a module in /lib/modules ? |
| 12:47.22 | MicW | cafuego: it's debian 3. isn't that woody? |
| 12:47.33 | cafuego | MicW: Yes, it is. Comes with 2.4.18 |
| 12:47.36 | h1ma71 | so i have to mount the device before formatting it? |
| 12:47.40 | MicW | uh |
| 12:48.25 | filp | h1ma71: no |
| 12:48.25 | h1ma71 | so i have to format first |
| 12:48.30 | filp | h1ma71: what do you think? |
| 12:48.43 | cafuego | h1ma71: partition type 'linux' (82) can be anyting from xfs to ext2 via reiser and jfs. |
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| 12:48.56 | ezra | Jan 19 08:09:10 koan postfix/master[24439]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling |
| 12:49.12 | cafuego | MicW: If that's a custom kernel from kernel source, it will have at least 3 root bugs./ |
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| 12:49.24 | ezra | i have a whole slew of errors in syslog pertaining to smtpd |
| 12:49.29 | h1ma71 | ok so i would "mkfs -t vfat /dev/hdb2" be ok to format a fat32 partition? |
| 12:49.32 | ezra | each one different |
| 12:49.37 | cafuego | ezra: Make sure it doesn't run chrooted. |
| 12:49.48 | ezra | cafuego: how do i make sure of that? |
| 12:49.58 | MicW | cafuego: 2.4.20 (root@debian) #1 Wed Sep 10 11:09:05 CEST 2003 |
| 12:49.59 | cafuego | ezra: See the table in master.cf |
| 12:50.01 | MicW | looks bad |
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| 12:50.32 | cafuego | MicW: Hmm. That's no woody kernel. |
| 12:50.38 | h1ma71 | when i type that in, it says that it is too large a file system - is that because mkfs cant handle large partitions? |
| 12:50.39 | cirrus | help! cannot boot my debian installation. see a login prompt for half a second then screen goes blank and harddrive thrashes. can anyone offer some advice? |
| 12:50.45 | MicW | cafuego: yes. i wonder why not |
| 12:50.53 | cafuego | MicW: Check /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.4.20/changelog |
| 12:50.54 | MicW | cafuego: i didn't check that before now |
| 12:51.15 | filp | cirrus: boot to single user mode |
| 12:51.25 | cafuego | MicW: If it's a sarge kernel, it may have a sarge apache too... which probably has unfixed bugs. |
| 12:51.32 | cirrus | filp: how do i do this? |
| 12:51.35 | cafuego | MicW: what does dpkg -l apache say? |
| 12:51.39 | ezra | cafuego: ok under "chroot" column for smtp was a - and i made it an n |
| 12:51.41 | MicW | what meens sarge? |
| 12:51.48 | filp | cirrus: I'm not sure but google may know |
| 12:51.55 | isam | does it make sense to have moth testing and unstable in my source.lists file ? isn't one of them enough to have a full system ? |
| 12:51.56 | cafuego | MicW: sarge is debian 'testing' |
| 12:52.02 | MicW | apache 1.3.26-0woody3 |
| 12:52.04 | cafuego | ezra: cool |
| 12:52.15 | cafuego | MicW: Ok, that's the latest security updated one |
| 12:52.17 | ezra | cafuego: then i reload postfix right? |
| 12:52.19 | MicW | fine |
| 12:52.24 | cafuego | ezra: restart |
| 12:52.28 | ezra | ok |
| 12:52.35 | cafuego | MicW: Running any odd modules? |
| 12:52.57 | ezra | cafuego: postfix doesn't have the option "restart" only start, stop, reload, abort, flush, or check |
| 12:53.02 | cafuego | MicW: Actually, first off, make sure that the apache process doesn't have write access to the document roots |
| 12:53.14 | cafuego | ezra: start && stop |
| 12:53.18 | MicW | php, perl, jserv. everything installed with apt |
| 12:53.19 | ezra | oh ok |
| 12:53.33 | ezra | hmm still can't log in to web-cyradm |
| 12:53.42 | cafuego | MicW: I generally make apache run as www-data but change the docroot to another uset/group |
| 12:53.46 | MicW | cafuego: there are some hostet apps that needs write access :( |
| 12:53.50 | ezra | it just goes right back to the log in screen |
| 12:54.00 | cafuego | MicW: write access to all files? Or just some? |
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| 12:54.17 | cafuego | ezra: Check your php config... does it need register_globals set to On? |
| 12:54.21 | MicW | cafuego: some. but hard to handle it by script |
| 12:54.49 | cafuego | MicW: chmod those files, let apache be unable to modify others. |
| 12:54.50 | ezra | cafuego: in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini right? |
| 12:54.59 | cafuego | ezra: yes |
| 12:54.59 | MicW | cafuego: i'm sure the intruder came with apache because the error log showed some fialed sh commands |
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| 12:55.31 | cafuego | MicW: yeah, sounds like a buffer overflow. Any custom scripts you run that doesn't do proper input checking? |
| 12:55.41 | ezra | cafuego: register_globals = On |
| 12:55.51 | MicW | cafuego: we are checking the scripts |
| 12:55.52 | fudje | Hmm... grep -nib gstsequence /dev/hdc10;# /dev/hdc10 is a 15G partition. How long will this take, any bets? |
| 12:55.59 | cafuego | ezra: do the web-cyradm docs say that needs to be on? |
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| 12:56.21 | cafuego | MicW: Coz afaik there is no published exploit for that apache version. |
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| 12:56.32 | ezra | cafuego: i think i need it on for the sessions i use on other sites though |
| 12:56.51 | cafuego | ezra: You can disable it on a per-server basis in httpd.conf |
| 12:56.52 | fudje | HAs anyone noticed mozilla not actually doing alpha transparency in the -moz-opacity property? |
| 12:57.00 | ezra | cafuego: ahh |
| 12:57.08 | h1ma71 | for some reason, im losing my net connection after debian has booted - eth0 seems to be up, but i cant browse or ping sites |
| 12:57.10 | cafuego | fudje: Nah, don't use it, too slow. |
| 12:57.12 | ezra | cafuego: i don't beleive the HOWTO mentions that at all though |
| 12:57.17 | MicW | cafuego: they did a "sh: cd: /opt/apache_1.3.27/conf/: No such file or directory" |
| 12:57.22 | fudje | cafuego: you mean mozilla or grep? |
| 12:57.32 | MicW | cafuego: that was the location of apache on the _old_ server |
| 12:57.33 | cafuego | MicW: Hmmm... |
| 12:57.37 | cafuego | fudje: mozilla :-) |
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| 12:57.57 | cafuego | MicW: Looks like you need to have a chat with one of your clients. |
| 12:58.12 | dort | h1ma71 -- maybe it's just dns? can you ping a raw ip? |
| 12:58.13 | MicW | cafuego: that makes me unsure if it's an automated hack |
| 12:58.20 | mrzippy | hi, i have a problem with the X. It reset for a problem that i don't know. But when i saw the log i saw that __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed ... I think that it was due to the kernel but i'm not sure. Anybody can help me plz? |
| 12:58.22 | h1ma71 | dort: ill try |
| 12:58.28 | wethion_ | from bad to worse.. now I'm getting Starting hotplug subsystem: input** can't synthesize input events - /proc/bus/input/devices missing suggestions? |
| 12:58.29 | fudje | cafuego: Not all of us run 486 PCs at home :P |
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| 12:58.43 | fudje | wethion_: ignore it? |
| 12:58.55 | cafuego | fudje: I don't run those either |
| 12:59.02 | h1ma71 | dort: thing is, dns was working fine when i booted up, as i could browse the web fine |
| 12:59.21 | wethion_ | fudje: I would, however, I'm trying to get my Archos mp3 player to work... |
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| 12:59.59 | wethion_ | work as in mounting the drive so I can move files to it. |
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| 13:00.28 | cafuego | fudje: I *do* run a 603ev ppc though |
| 13:00.34 | fudje | wethion_: Not being able to synthesize hotplug events is not a big problem thought. When you plug your drive in it should still have an event. |
| 13:00.38 | fudje | cafuego: bitch. |
| 13:00.40 | ezra | cafuego: in telnet to port 25 on localhost i try to do "rcpt to: tester at localhost" and i get the error that "555 Unsupported option: at" |
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| 13:00.51 | MicW | cafuego: ah. and that message is in the default host's logfile. all domains with content have their own error and access log |
| 13:01.17 | filp | ezra: many emails now use the @ symbol |
| 13:01.26 | filp | ezra: it's a new invention |
| 13:01.40 | ezra | filp: i was just going by http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/test.html under Testing section |
| 13:01.43 | filp | ezra: you might have to buy a new keyboard to get it working |
| 13:01.47 | fudje | cafuego: I'm going to get a ppc 970 pegasos probably when they become available. Assuming the genesi press release wasn't fibbing. |
| 13:02.12 | cafuego | fudje: Just under 200 bogomips |
| 13:02.14 | filp | ezra: what's that got to do with it |
| 13:02.17 | ezra | filp: but even with the @ sign it doesn't work |
| 13:02.22 | ezra | filp: read it and see :) |
| 13:02.32 | ezra | mail from: testing at example.com <--- this line worked fine |
| 13:02.35 | h1ma71 | dort: i have just rebooted, and i have a net connection -- it seems to just lose it after a while |
| 13:02.37 | h1ma71 | not sure why |
| 13:02.38 | ezra | and it has an "at" |
| 13:02.52 | ezra | so i figured the rcpt line should be the same *shrug* |
| 13:02.52 | fudje | cafuego: 200 bogomips is good. |
| 13:02.52 | ezra | call me crazy |
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| 13:03.21 | filp | ezra: rcpt to: joe@localhost |
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| 13:03.35 | fudje | cafuego: They're what, 1993 era? |
| 13:03.42 | filp | ezra: but what you probably want is rcpt to: joe |
| 13:03.51 | ezra | filp: 504 <localhost>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname |
| 13:04.03 | cafuego | fudje: Somewhere in that vicinity, yeah |
| 13:04.13 | cafuego | fudje: Not for a 300MHz box |
| 13:04.20 | filp | ezra: your smtp server needs a fqd to accept mail |
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| 13:04.42 | ezra | filp: i have a fqd |
| 13:04.50 | filp | ezra: what domains have you configured to accept mail for |
| 13:04.55 | fudje | cafuego: You have a ppc box that has less bogomips than MHz? |
| 13:05.01 | ezra | websightdesigns.com, ezrafree.com and a couple others |
| 13:05.02 | cafuego | fudje: *nodnod* |
| 13:05.10 | fudje | cafuego: Is it broken? |
| 13:05.17 | cafuego | fudje: Nope, works fine. |
| 13:05.24 | filp | ezra: rcpt to: joe@websightdesigns.com |
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| 13:05.52 | fudje | cafuego: at 200 bogomips.... just fine isn't really something I'd apply there. |
| 13:06.11 | cafuego | fudje: No, it's actually useable, the hardware works, no errors. |
| 13:06.44 | cafuego | fudje: I think the bogomippage calculator is to blame, not the hardware. |
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| 13:07.01 | ezra | filp: rcpt to: ezra@ezrafree.com | 504 <localhost>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname |
| 13:07.12 | dort | no clue h1 -- when it loses it is eth0 still up? what does ifconfig tell you? are there errors associated with eth0? |
| 13:07.28 | filp | ezra: so use a correct helo command |
| 13:07.39 | h1ma71 | dort: i think eth0 is still up |
| 13:07.45 | ezra | what's incorrect about my helo command? |
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| 13:07.51 | knoppix | hi,, i have a toruble.. how i do writeable a ext2 partition with knopix... um with< mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /mnt/linux /o remount,rw .... it say me that< not mounted already or bad option.... anybody help me? |
| 13:07.55 | wethion_ | where do I look to read how to install a debian kernel? |
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| 13:07.56 | filp | ezra: the error tells you |
| 13:07.59 | cafuego | ezra: it wantsa hostname parm. use "HELO lcoalhost" |
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| 13:08.01 | ezra | i think this may be my problem: If you see such a message, then all seems to work fine. Be sure to specify a recipients address you previously defined in the web-cyradm database |
| 13:08.17 | h1ma71 | dort: ifconfig gives no error messages |
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| 13:08.34 | d33p | somebody knows if in iptables... iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2234 -i $WORLD_INTERFACE -j DNAT --to $LOCAL_IP ... can I place a range of ports in dport or just one? |
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| 13:08.44 | cafuego | Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 198.00 BogoMips |
| 13:08.57 | cirrus | what file do i need to edit to stop system from running KDE on boot? |
| 13:08.59 | filp | d33p: multiport match, man iptables |
| 13:09.01 | h1ma71 | dort: the machine has just lost it's connection not |
| 13:09.06 | h1ma71 | dort: *now |
| 13:09.13 | petemc | !tell cirrus about nodm |
| 13:09.15 | cafuego | fudje: Of course, the 603 range of cups is known for it's complete suckage |
| 13:09.16 | caphuso | d33p: you can place a range |
| 13:09.21 | cafuego | s/'// |
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| 13:09.30 | jongi | hi all |
| 13:09.33 | h1ma71 | dort: what services could i restart that are related to net stuff, to see if that helps? |
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| 13:09.45 | ezra | cafuego: 220 mail.websightdesigns.com ESMTP Postfix | HELO localhost | 250 mail.websightdesigns.com | mail from: admin@localhost | 250 Ok | rcpt to: ezra@localhost | 504 <localhost>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname |
| 13:09.45 | jongi | /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:09.49 | d33p | filp, caphuso, would it be --dport FirstOfRange-LastOfRange ? |
| 13:10.00 | caphuso | d33p: no |
| 13:10.07 | fudje | cafuego: Well with any luck the 970 will prove otherwise. It has so far in the G5 |
| 13:10.07 | filp | d33p: no it would be -m match --multiport match |
| 13:10.15 | cirrus | petemc: TA will try this |
| 13:10.15 | caphuso | d33p: why are you not doing what "man iptables" told you? |
| 13:10.20 | cafuego | d33p: first:last (i think) |
| 13:10.20 | ezra | cafuego: i think if i could just figure out how to log in to web-cyradm then i could add some users to the db and i'd be in the clear |
| 13:10.33 | filp | d33p: man man && man iptables |
| 13:10.35 | d33p | filp, caphuso, will be back after manning myself =) |
| 13:10.43 | cafuego | fudje: Oh, the 604 even was great |
| 13:10.46 | ezra | first:last depends on if your default rule is accept or deny |
| 13:10.47 | nvz | knoppix: mount -o remount -rw /dev/hda6 |
| 13:10.52 | nvz | knoppix: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda6 |
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| 13:11.00 | cafuego | fudje: the 603 though, nup... completely shit. |
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| 13:11.10 | nvz | knoppix: if its already mounted that should work |
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| 13:11.12 | fudje | cafuego: 603/604 series was an IBM chip? |
| 13:11.17 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:11.20 | simonrvn | 604e was ibm |
| 13:11.25 | cafuego | fudje: I think both ibm and motorola |
| 13:11.30 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes |
| 13:11.37 | J_P | people, what is command for kill parent and childs too ? |
| 13:11.39 | cirrus | petemc: somehow at no point can I use ctrl-alt-fN to get a console |
| 13:11.48 | dort | h1 and what specifically does a ping do -- does it say that the network is unreachable? or does it just time out |
| 13:11.51 | TravisBarker | doublehomicide? |
| 13:11.53 | petemc | cirrus: ctl alt f1 should work |
| 13:11.58 | cafuego | that completely ran circles around this 603ev/300 |
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| 13:12.16 | thoreauputic | parricide -9 |
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| 13:12.26 | simonrvn | this 604e/185 runs at ~350 bogos |
| 13:12.27 | fudje | cafuego: Cause something I noticed when looking at the specs for G3 and G4, was that the G3, an IBM chip, kicked ass much harder than the G4, a motorola. |
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| 13:12.47 | TravisBarker | oh, i forgot -9 |
| 13:12.57 | simonrvn | fudje: yeh, ibm seems to have a better grasp of ppc than motorola does |
| 13:13.12 | simonrvn | as in, better able to use the full potential |
| 13:13.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yeah, twice what I get at 1.5 times the speed |
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| 13:13.22 | d33p | filp, cafuego, checked the man cafuego was correct --dport first:last |
| 13:13.22 | fudje | simonrvn: with less power consumption on the side.... |
| 13:13.30 | simonrvn | fudje: yeh :) |
| 13:13.30 | d33p | filp, cafuego, thanks for the help! |
| 13:13.35 | cafuego | d33p: of course I was correct! |
| 13:14.00 | filp | d33p: use multiport to select particular ports |
| 13:14.18 | cafuego | and on that violent note, I'm off to bed |
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| 13:14.27 | simonrvn | cafuego: lates |
| 13:14.33 | cafuego | simonrvn: s/s/r/ |
| 13:14.35 | simonrvn | 'night |
| 13:14.38 | TravisBarker | what is to stop a person from selling copies of the full debian distro on CDR's in ebay? |
| 13:14.42 | h1de | I use the command "find /home -name "*.mp3" >> /home/hide/playlist.lst" to generate my shoutcast playlist but it sorts files by name.. Is it possible in some way to randomize these files? for example to sort by file size, date or smth else? |
| 13:14.43 | fudje | 'night caffy |
| 13:14.47 | ezra | night cafuego thanks for your help |
| 13:14.49 | caphuso | TravisBarker: err, what? |
| 13:14.57 | filp | TravisBarker: no one bidding |
| 13:15.04 | ezra | TravisBarker: morals :) |
| 13:15.11 | d33p | thanks again and bye! |
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| 13:15.27 | TravisBarker | can i burn and sell debian distro is my question |
| 13:15.34 | caphuso | TravisBarker: sure |
| 13:15.43 | fudje | TravisBarker: provided you're selling the media and not the distro |
| 13:15.43 | TravisBarker | just wondering how it was licensed |
| 13:15.48 | filp | TravisBarker: so long as you make the source code available |
| 13:15.50 | thoreauputic | TravisBarker: of course- people do it all the time |
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| 13:16.12 | simonrvn | total useless use of ebay when anyone can type in www.debian.org and find the whole cd set, and burn them, or get the lot for no more than a dialup net connection or coffee for 2 weeks |
| 13:16.13 | filp | fudje: I think that's wrong |
| 13:16.20 | ezra | TravisBarker: don't expect to get rich off of it though :) |
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| 13:16.35 | simonrvn | i think it's like 5$ US per or something (or total, not sure) |
| 13:16.41 | fudje | filp: I might be getting it mixed up with GPL.... |
| 13:16.43 | TravisBarker | :) i dont even plan to do it, i was just curious how it was licensed |
| 13:16.57 | simonrvn | DFSG |
| 13:17.10 | filp | fudje: you can sell for what ever you want, so long as you make the source code available |
| 13:17.22 | thoreauputic | TravisBarker: some places sell Debian + donation |
| 13:17.25 | fudje | TravisBarker: why not? The more people running it the merrier. |
| 13:17.36 | filp | fudje: I'm pretty sure that's part of the GPL |
| 13:18.14 | fudje | filp: Maybe I'm just wrong then. I *am* on my fourth shot of Sambuca.... |
| 13:18.34 | TravisBarker | mmmm *shots* |
| 13:18.50 | filp | fudje: mmmmm |
| 13:18.53 | cirrus | petemc: do not have a directory /etc/x11 . ctrl-alt-f1 does not work at any time if i boot in normal mode... |
| 13:18.57 | h1de | how do i use the find command to arrange results by date? |
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| 13:19.11 | filp | h1de: man man && man ls |
| 13:19.29 | filp | h1de: or man man && man sort |
| 13:19.32 | nvz | cirrus: normal mode? are you booting windows? no wonder its not working |
| 13:19.37 | filp | h1de: depends |
| 13:19.55 | h1de | i'll try man find.. |
| 13:20.04 | petemc | cirrus: /etc/X11/ and ctl alt f1 *should* take you to a console login screen, i guess try ctl alt f2/f3 etc |
| 13:20.06 | filp | h1de: try man google, or man figure shit out for your self |
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| 13:20.20 | fudje | It's the black Sambuca too. And it keeps making me write in the wrong terminal. |
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| 13:20.32 | fudje | But at least I managed to get the Sun monitor set up properly. |
| 13:20.43 | raiche | Does SBM (Yes, developed by Debian) have support for booting from USB memorys? |
| 13:20.50 | filp | fudje: I like the clear Sambuca, with coffee beans |
| 13:20.57 | simonrvn | fudje: oh yummy :) |
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| 13:21.01 | raiche | Any version of USB. |
| 13:21.25 | saloxin | raiche: SBM? |
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| 13:21.40 | simonrvn | no idea, but d-i can boot from usb sticks |
| 13:21.43 | fudje | filp: I haven't tried that, but must one day. I know the clear doesn't have anything like as strong a flavour as the black. |
| 13:22.13 | raiche | saloxin: Hm, this is wierd. Almost no-one has every heard of it. However, it |
| 13:22.21 | filp | fudje: yeah you can drink a whole bottle before you realise that you cant get up or remember your own name |
| 13:22.23 | raiche | s a program for booting from serveral devices. |
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| 13:22.50 | windalways | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.01 | saloxin | raiche: heh - I used it once on a floppy to boot from cdrom |
| 13:23.15 | saloxin | just didn't remember the acronym |
| 13:23.23 | fudje | filp: hehehehe. I hope you mean the small bottle. I know that at my body mass and average blood pressure a whole full size bottle of Galliano would kill me :/ |
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| 13:23.33 | cirrus | petemc: No, ctrl-alt-.. does NOT work to switch VC when booted in normal mode. pc boots normally to login prompt then screen goes blank and hard drive thrashing. my directory /etc/x11 does not exist what does that mean?? |
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| 13:24.17 | tonqin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.22 | fudje | cirrus: what about Alt+.. |
| 13:24.32 | caphuso | tonqin: this is #debian |
| 13:24.35 | SlayerXP | tonqin: try #damnsmalllinux |
| 13:24.43 | petemc | cirrus: its upper case X , /etc/X11, and ctl alt f1 works for me |
| 13:24.50 | filp | http://www.debian.org/intro/free => There is no restriction on distributing, or even selling, the software. |
| 13:24.57 | fudje | tonqin: first step, get a new kernel. One that doesn't suck. |
| 13:25.07 | tonqin | thx, didn't see it on the list tho. |
| 13:25.08 | cirrus | fudje: no, have tried numerous function key combis, cannot get any input into a console when booted under normal mode |
| 13:25.17 | filp | just incase we were all still woundering |
| 13:25.18 | tonqin | what do you suggest fudje? |
| 13:25.42 | fudje | tonqin: The latest in the 2.4 series, 2.4.24, is probably your best bet. |
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| 13:25.57 | simonrvn | #dsl maybe. or try another network |
| 13:26.00 | cirrus | what command to run to go through the X setup again? |
| 13:26.09 | jm_ | cirrus: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 13:26.31 | fudje | dexconf? or was that progeny. I don't know - I use emacs to set XFree86 up. |
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| 13:26.55 | fudje | ooh cheese. |
| 13:27.01 | simonrvn | dexconf works. |
| 13:27.02 | thoreauputic | tonqin: there is a #damnsmalllinux, but it's often empty... |
| 13:27.12 | bob2 | dexconf is now the backend for X's debconf stuff |
| 13:27.13 | tonqin | thx |
| 13:27.18 | bob2 | amusing but true! |
| 13:27.31 | cirrus | simonrvn: dexconf, is this utility supposed to be interactive? |
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| 13:27.40 | jome | hi, i tried to update kernel(backports.org) but it depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), but i cant find it, so what to do? |
| 13:27.46 | caphuso | cirrus: no |
| 13:27.49 | thoreauputic | tonqin: I don't think you have 2.4.2 - more like 2.4.20xfs |
| 13:27.49 | fudje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.08 | Gujin | anyone here with a liteon cd-burner? |
| 13:28.20 | fudje | It feels good to be back in 19" though.... |
| 13:28.25 | bedboi | hi there. i just complied mozilla firebird from deb-source. now what's the name of the binary? |
| 13:28.38 | simonrvn | cirrus: see what the bot told you re: set up x |
| 13:28.38 | caphuso | bedboi: dpkg -L packagename |
| 13:28.39 | mrzippy | hi, i have a problem with the X. It reset for a problem that i don't know. But when i saw the log i saw that __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed ... I think that it was due to the kernel but i'm not sure. Anybody can help me plz? |
| 13:28.43 | fudje | bedboi: mozilla-firebird? |
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| 13:28.45 | saloxin | bedboi: mozilla-firebird ? |
| 13:28.54 | saloxin | heh |
| 13:28.56 | bedboi | saloxin: doesn't exist |
| 13:29.01 | tonqin | thoreauputic, you got me there, you might be right. in any case is this a "you can't get there from here' situation regarding my usb cdrw? |
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| 13:29.07 | bedboi | saloxin: i just ./compile ; make ; make install |
| 13:29.10 | saloxin | bedboi: Mozilla<tab> ? |
| 13:29.12 | nvz | fudje: I got a glare screen on this thing, although I broke the door to the controls in the front |
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| 13:29.27 | bedboi | saloxin: neither |
| 13:29.43 | cirrus | simonrvn: followed the instructions given before. have had no effect.. |
| 13:29.46 | saloxin | bedboi: do "make install" again, and look at output |
| 13:29.51 | thoreauputic | tonqin: don't know, sorry- have you tried the DamnSmall forum? |
| 13:29.52 | fudje | nvg: Sun / Sony GDM-1962B. Installed it today. Took 45 minutes to set up, and I'm doing the composite Sync striaght out of my video card :D |
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| 13:30.14 | saloxin | bedboi - or make a debian package, and dpkg -L packagename |
| 13:30.17 | simonrvn | cirrus: as in? you need to be more forthcoming with info if you want help |
| 13:30.18 | bob2 | cirrus: dexconf isn't interactive now, but it used to be: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the new way |
| 13:30.34 | mrzippy | mail |
| 13:30.59 | xst | Strange! I use ntp on both my computers and both timezones are set to Europe/Copenhagen. But the two computeres are exactly one hour apart in time. Why's that? |
| 13:31.01 | bob2 | femail |
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| 13:31.15 | fudje | Which reminds me, I'm yet to set up the console drivers in menu.lst |
| 13:31.23 | saloxin | xst: wintertime vs summertime? |
| 13:31.25 | bob2 | jome: that is on backports.org |
| 13:31.29 | thoreauputic | tonqin: link: http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi Very nice helpful forum |
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| 13:31.36 | bob2 | jome: or wasit adrian bunk's site? I forget. |
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| 13:31.50 | xst | saloxin: But wintertime/summertime should be set over ntp... |
| 13:31.51 | raiche | saloxin: What did you say? I |
| 13:31.56 | raiche | ve lost your message. |
| 13:32.20 | saloxin | raiche: I don't know if smb supports usb device's :( |
| 13:32.34 | raiche | ok |
| 13:32.37 | saloxin | xst: I agree, it should. |
| 13:32.43 | wethion_ | here's a new one. I just installed the 2.6.0-1-k7 image and got this warning: Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 13:32.44 | wethion_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.48 | wethion_ | whoops.. sorry. |
| 13:32.50 | bob2 | smb doesn't support ANY devices |
| 13:33.03 | wethion_ | where can I go to fix? |
| 13:33.12 | bob2 | wethion_: your kernel has devfs support, but it's not mounted. lilo gets mildly confused |
| 13:33.17 | bob2 | ignore it, iirc |
| 13:33.28 | wethion_ | bob2: thanks much. |
| 13:33.43 | ernesto | when i boot debian, my net connection works, but after a few minutes it stops working - i cant even ping external IP's |
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| 13:34.10 | bob2 | piggy? |
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| 13:34.21 | indes | ernesto: does ifconfig say anything? |
| 13:34.22 | sussudio | badger? |
| 13:34.35 | ernesto | indes: it doesent give any error messages |
| 13:34.39 | zinx | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger |
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| 13:34.46 | zinx | MUSHROOOM MUSHROOOM |
| 13:34.49 | sussudio | SNAAAAAAAAAAKE |
| 13:35.01 | saloxin | bob2, raiche: sbm - smart boot manager. sorry |
| 13:35.01 | indes | beaver. |
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| 13:35.07 | simonrvn | moose |
| 13:35.16 | sussudio | no beavers or moose. |
| 13:35.21 | indes | why not? |
| 13:35.23 | wethion_ | GAHHH!! I'm still getting the hotplug subsystem error message. I'm having flashbacks of BSOD. FSCK. |
| 13:35.24 | sussudio | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 13:35.24 | bob2 | KANGAROO. |
| 13:35.26 | ernesto | indes: eth0 seems to be up |
| 13:35.29 | indes | ernesto: ? |
| 13:35.32 | indes | plugged in? |
| 13:35.36 | simonrvn | fartwhales |
| 13:35.39 | ernesto | indes: yep |
| 13:35.44 | indes | humph. |
| 13:35.48 | sussudio | noone in france needs the underpants |
| 13:35.56 | ernesto | indes: it works to start, then after a few minutes i lose the connectino |
| 13:36.00 | indes | sussudio: put on some damn pants though. |
| 13:36.05 | indes | ernesto: wierd. |
| 13:36.14 | sussudio | indes: badger |
| 13:36.15 | wethion_ | dragonsnot, the creation of a 5yr old little girl. |
| 13:36.22 | ernesto | indes: is there a service that i could restart, maybe that would make net work again and i could diagnose |
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| 13:36.36 | indes | ernesto: ifup/down ifconfig, no services will help you. |
| 13:36.43 | ernesto | indes: i tried that |
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| 13:37.01 | indes | ernesto: I dunno where else to point you |
| 13:37.15 | fudje | kernel /vmlinuz video=matroxfb:vesa:0x11B,fv:67,fh:72,left:223,right:16,upper:42,lower:0,pixclock:8546,sync:8 <-- nice boot line? |
| 13:37.35 | simonrvn | oi |
| 13:37.36 | nvz | wethion_: yeah? I just had some sort of kernel panic from an old AT keyboard I hotplugged.. not like a BSOD though |
| 13:38.06 | fudje | bob2: WTF, mate? |
| 13:39.03 | bob2 | fudje: throw another shrimp on the bbq? |
| 13:39.09 | nvz | I think I may just have one of those AT serio splitter things around here.. would be nice to hook up both my keyboards |
| 13:39.11 | Croepha | i am using X forwarding throught a 100mbps line ( using ssh ), the server has 16mb of ram and a 800mhz processor ( the server is running alot more than X btw) my local computer is running windows XP, and X-win32 for a local window/fint server... for some reason its a bit slow... is this because of the remote server or my local client???? |
| 13:39.42 | sussudio | Croepha: badger |
| 13:39.44 | zinx | Croepha: no |
| 13:39.55 | fudje | bob2: I think I'd rather have the kangaroo. Much less likely to make me throw up :P |
| 13:39.56 | zinx | Croepha: it's because ssh introduces latency |
| 13:40.07 | zinx | Croepha: latency makes it seem slow. |
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| 13:40.21 | bob2 | SIXTENN MEGABYTES on a 800MHz CPU? |
| 13:40.26 | bob2 | that's nuts |
| 13:40.29 | Skarmeth | Hi, I'm about put a Centralized Auth System here, like a Kerberos, but not all services are kerberos ready and I'm thinking if the pam_krb5 PAM module will resolve this problem acting as a warper for non krb apps |
| 13:40.31 | Croepha | xinx: its because of ssh |
| 13:40.36 | Croepha | xinx: ?? |
| 13:40.42 | zinx | Croepha: 'zinx', and yes |
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| 13:40.45 | nvz | bob2: makes you wonder how it even boots |
| 13:40.56 | fudje | nvz: No-one put windows on it? |
| 13:40.59 | Croepha | zinx: oops :) |
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| 13:41.07 | bob2 | Croepha: an X server is the mahcine with the monitor |
| 13:41.21 | Skarmeth | I've some Windows 2000 workstations and my file server (current windows 2000 ad) will be replaced by samba 3.0 that is krb ready |
| 13:41.22 | nvz | fudje: yeah right, WinXP wont run on 16mb |
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| 13:41.42 | sussudio | it won't? |
| 13:41.43 | fudje | although I didn't think any 800MHz could use any kind of memory that came in 16mb sizes.... |
| 13:41.43 | xst | How do I set, that the time should be shown in UTC? Currently the time is one hour ahead if I not write date -u... |
| 13:41.56 | jm_ | xst: /etc/default/rcS |
| 13:41.59 | greycat | xst: tzconfig |
| 13:42.00 | Croepha | bob2: so, the remote computer is the application server?? |
| 13:42.03 | jm_ | and tzconfig |
| 13:42.18 | fudje | nvz: If you believe MS's Why to use Windows XP Embedded and not Embedded Linux FUD, yeah |
| 13:42.18 | bob2 | fudje: once you pick out the JOEY BRAINS. |
| 13:42.36 | TravisBarker | a 800mhz processor with HOW MUCH memory? |
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| 13:42.41 | fudje | bob2: Joey brains are quite tasty actually. |
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| 13:43.00 | greycat | fudje: but how are they compared to koala brains? |
| 13:43.03 | TravisBarker | isnt that like having a monster truck with bicycle wheels? |
| 13:43.20 | fudje | greycat: Koalas are a marketing gimmick to attract the Japanese. |
| 13:43.23 | xst | greycat: tzconfig does not ask me about UTC... :-( Any other ideas? |
| 13:43.32 | nvz | TravisBarker: more like having a monster truck with matchbox car wheels |
| 13:43.40 | greycat | xst: sorry, your local clue shop must have been closed |
| 13:44.09 | nvz | TravisBarker: whole lot of rpms, but you dont go anywhere |
| 13:44.11 | fudje | TravisBarker: I'd suggest more like a monster truck with Daimler's original diff. |
| 13:44.16 | xst | greycat: ??? |
| 13:44.41 | fudje | xst: maybe GMT? |
| 13:44.50 | Gujin | anyone here with a liteon cd writer? |
| 13:44.55 | greycat | !polls |
| 13:44.55 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
| 13:45.02 | simonrvn | greycat: hehe |
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| 13:45.03 | looksaus | Gujin, what about it? |
| 13:45.10 | Gujin | it seems cdrdao cant find a driver for it |
| 13:45.12 | fudje | !cluebat xst |
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| 13:45.25 | Gujin | it let me choose between other drivers but they aren't working properly |
| 13:45.38 | nvz | liteon suck, I doubt you will get that working |
| 13:45.38 | bob2 | Gujin: you don't need to select a driver. |
| 13:45.50 | Gujin | it wont let me |
| 13:45.53 | greycat | Gujin: and generic-mmc didn't work? |
| 13:45.55 | bob2 | bah, all IDE cdrs are made to the same shit quality standards |
| 13:45.55 | jm_ | Gujin: use generic-mmc |
| 13:45.58 | fudje | Gujin: If you're liteon CD writer won't work with the generic MMC cd-writer drivers there's something wrong with it. |
| 13:46.02 | jm_ | bob2: no |
| 13:46.04 | Gujin | ERROR: No driver found for 'LITE-ON LTR-52327S', available drivers: |
| 13:46.07 | sussudio | bob2: i have a plextor |
| 13:46.11 | bob2 | jm_: except plextor |
| 13:46.11 | nvz | I sold my liteon 52x CDROM for like $50 and charged $10 to install it |
| 13:46.13 | Gujin | generic-mmc wont work either |
| 13:46.13 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:46.41 | TravisBarker | whats the best front end for apt-get? |
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| 13:46.46 | greycat | TravisBarker: bash |
| 13:46.48 | fudje | bob2: My Ricoh does pretty well. For something manufactured in, like, 1998, when it was.... |
| 13:46.54 | Gujin | greycat: what I was about to say ;P |
| 13:46.58 | jm_ | bob2: well to be honest, I never had much trouble with either until media changed |
| 13:47.07 | sussudio | hdc: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4012A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 13:47.12 | TravisBarker | greycat: what is the best front end for apt-get that a n00b can operate on his first try :-) |
| 13:47.13 | fudje | But then it's SCSI. |
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| 13:47.26 | greycat | TravisBarker: what the fuck is so hard about "apt-get install ssh"? |
| 13:47.28 | fudje | TravisBarker: apt-get |
| 13:47.33 | bob2 | TravisBarker: aptitude |
| 13:47.36 | TravisBarker | apt-get is great |
| 13:47.53 | Gujin | aptitude - in what toolkit it was written? |
| 13:48.01 | TravisBarker | but apt-get with a good front end that resolves dependancies etc etc is very nice also for X users |
| 13:48.03 | nvz | Gujin: toolkit? |
| 13:48.05 | xst | Ok, I am really confused now: Apparently the time is currently set to UTC (according to /etc/default/rcS) but "date" is one hour ahead. But if I write "date -u", it prints the correct time. Bzzz, I have no idea of what can be wrong. |
| 13:48.06 | sussudio | Gujin: badger? |
| 13:48.06 | fudje | I'm getting the distinct impression that my lost source file is gone forever, and I'm going to have to reimplement my entire sequence class. |
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| 13:48.12 | Gujin | woot woot |
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| 13:48.40 | NI | im having trouble with connecting to internet thro my router using dhcp, get a lot of packet loss, speeds r at 30b, anyone help out? |
| 13:48.42 | fudje | At least by now I know how gobject works. |
| 13:48.58 | brest-al | coucou, on peut m'aider ?? |
| 13:49.16 | TravisBarker | look, if you dont know of a good front end, just do like the other 648 or so and remain quiet on the subject |
| 13:49.28 | fudje | brest-al: parlez-vous anglais? |
| 13:49.33 | TravisBarker | i am looking for productive answers |
| 13:49.34 | brest-al | non |
| 13:49.43 | Gujin | so there's no way to get my liteon work ? ;[ |
| 13:50.02 | bob2 | Gujin: ncurses |
| 13:50.07 | fudje | brest-al: try #debian-fr |
| 13:50.07 | Gujin | ye figured it |
| 13:50.10 | brest-al | bye bye |
| 13:50.51 | TravisBarker | synaptic is an example of a good front end for apt-get |
| 13:51.00 | bob2 | TravisBarker: aptitude is a better one |
| 13:51.01 | TravisBarker | i was wondering if there are any others |
| 13:51.09 | fudje | TravisBarker: unfortunately it has a large percentage of suckage value. |
| 13:51.36 | fudje | One day I must clean out all the packages I'm not using anymore... |
| 13:52.03 | bob2 | xst: read the date manpage |
| 13:52.25 | bob2 | xst: also, that value in rcS determines what the computer thinsk the HARDWARE CLOCK is set to |
| 13:53.03 | tarzeau | sussudio: baaah ;) |
| 13:53.08 | tarzeau | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/baah.png |
| 13:53.15 | xst | bob2: I solved the problem by changing /etcdefault/rcS and running /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 13:53.39 | bob2 | my clock is still an horu fast |
| 13:53.43 | bob2 | silly chrony |
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| 13:55.55 | isma | hello |
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| 13:56.45 | Gujin | fsckin liteon cd writers ;( |
| 13:56.49 | KeithWeisshar | i'm having trouble with pppoe in debian 3.0r2 |
| 13:57.04 | simonrvn | @tell KeithWeisshar about ask |
| 13:57.10 | bob2 | Gujin: do you actually have your system setup for cd burning? |
| 13:57.24 | Gujin | sure I used my previous Yamaha CRW2100E successfully |
| 13:57.32 | fudje | KeithWeisshar: persist problems per chance? |
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| 13:58.03 | bob2 | Gujin: and nothign at all changed, bar unplugging the yamaha and strappign in the liteon? |
| 13:58.09 | KeithWeisshar | i just did a clean install of the base system but still get something wicked happened when i try to use apt-setup after configuring pppoeconf |
| 13:58.16 | fudje | still no gksudo symlink.... |
| 13:58.18 | KeithWeisshar | it's error -3 |
| 13:58.34 | Gujin | bob2: ye. it was successfully recognized too (dmesg) |
| 13:58.50 | KeithWeisshar | something wicked happened when i try to add an ftp site |
| 13:59.12 | petemc | KeithWeisshar: have you tested network connectivity by trying to ping something? |
| 13:59.21 | KeithWeisshar | failed |
| 13:59.30 | petemc | well then your network isnt working |
| 13:59.35 | KeithWeisshar | i have verizon online dsl |
| 13:59.47 | KeithWeisshar | it's a pppoe connection |
| 13:59.50 | andr3w__ | can anyone give me an idea what is wrong? I get 'diald' error each time I apt-get install a package |
| 13:59.51 | jm_ | do they also have offline dsl ? |
| 13:59.58 | petemc | :) |
| 14:00.10 | KeithWeisshar | the network card is working |
| 14:00.13 | bob2 | andr3w__: paste the error to #flood |
| 14:00.18 | andr3w__ | ok |
| 14:00.20 | KeithWeisshar | the link light on the dsl modem is on |
| 14:00.24 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: run ppoeconf and sertup your connection |
| 14:00.30 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: nothing can possibly work until you do that |
| 14:00.32 | KeithWeisshar | i did |
| 14:00.40 | KeithWeisshar | i put my verizon username and password in |
| 14:00.44 | bob2 | then you did it wrong |
| 14:00.56 | Croepha | what else does X forwarding. besides ssh??? |
| 14:00.57 | bob2 | or it's broken |
| 14:00.58 | bob2 | try again |
| 14:01.08 | KeithWeisshar | even after running pppoeconf there is still no resolv.conf file in the /etc folder |
| 14:01.11 | bob2 | Croepha: X does. wtf do you have 16MB of ram in a 800MHz machine? |
| 14:01.15 | hyksos | hi, something happend to my xmms, when i click on a weblink, xmms starts,but doesnt play url, instead a directory-window pops-up where i can select file from hd? how can i play urls like normaly? |
| 14:01.22 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: did you tell it to do "dynamic dns"? |
| 14:01.26 | KeithWeisshar | yes |
| 14:01.32 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: rerun it |
| 14:01.53 | KeithWeisshar | why do i need to re-run it |
| 14:01.58 | KeithWeisshar | what should i use |
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| 14:02.05 | bob2 | Croepha: also, explain your setup better. if you're actually using a machine with 16MB of ram as a X server, while running loads of other stuff, it's not going to work very well. |
| 14:02.24 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: polite("in case you made a stupid mistake that we might waste hours finding") |
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| 14:02.49 | Croepha | bob2, its comlicated... i really only get the unwanted stuff. the network's windows 2000 server is more popular... |
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| 14:02.51 | bob2 | andr3w__: are you actually using diald? |
| 14:02.53 | fudje | hyksos: I've had that problem with XMMS recently, too. The first thing I noticed was that my drag-and-drop interface for a little control app I wrote had stopped working with remote URLs, and the API hadn't changed any. |
| 14:03.05 | andr3w__ | bob2: what does it do? |
| 14:03.19 | bob2 | andr3w__: dials your modem when someone tries ot access the internet. |
| 14:03.22 | jm_ | I think that answes it ;) |
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| 14:03.41 | Croepha | bob2, but it does have a good sized swap partition.. |
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| 14:03.44 | andr3w__ | bob2 not sure |
| 14:03.44 | Zap-W | is a p133mhz with 32MB enouth for running apache2 , exi4, samba ,pure-ftpd,sshd,courier-imapd, and also be a router for ADSL 1.5mbit down ? |
| 14:03.50 | CAiRO | why isn't a user allowed to set ulimit -c? |
| 14:03.57 | CAiRO | i always get permission denied |
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| 14:04.08 | CAiRO | i mean operation not permitted |
| 14:04.31 | jm_ | user can modify soft limits up to the value of hard limit only |
| 14:04.32 | andr3w__ | I just use pon "provider' #start ppp command |
| 14:04.33 | bob2 | Croepha: swap is slow as hell |
| 14:04.33 | bob2 | andr3w__: then "no". purge it. |
| 14:04.47 | andr3w__ | bob2 how do I purge diald? |
| 14:04.56 | guk | Zap-W: slap some more RAM into it and it should be fine ... |
| 14:05.01 | bob2 | andr3w__: apt-get remove --purge diald |
| 14:05.02 | guk | Zap-W: don't expect to run X |
| 14:05.13 | andr3w__ | bob2 ok thanks |
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| 14:05.24 | Croepha | bob2, i might have to go out and by some ram with my own money... |
| 14:06.00 | bob2 | Croepha: the X server is the one witht the keyboard and monitor. the X client is the one running the programs. can you explain what you're trying to do a little more clearly? |
| 14:06.27 | hyksos | with mozilla it works, opera wont give the url to xmms? any suggestions? |
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| 14:06.52 | nvz | hyksos: use mozilla |
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| 14:07.02 | nvz | that was easy |
| 14:07.05 | Caosun | salve |
| 14:07.11 | hyksos | nvz :opera is better for my needs |
| 14:07.14 | nvz | what ddid you call me? |
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| 14:07.15 | sussudio | Caosun: badger |
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| 14:07.22 | Norlin | Hello |
| 14:07.22 | bob2 | it sounds like opera is misconfigured. |
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| 14:07.31 | nvz | hyksos: fuck your needs, use what works.. heh |
| 14:07.36 | bob2 | if you create a new account, and run opera and click on a mp3 link, does it pop up in xmms? |
| 14:07.44 | hyksos | bob2 :but how configure this right? |
| 14:07.46 | nvz | I always thought opera sucked |
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| 14:07.54 | Norlin | Sorry for a dumb question, but is there a way to send a mail to my localhost to see that exims local maildelivery works correctly? |
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| 14:08.06 | pngwn | nvz, besides not being free ;) |
| 14:08.12 | Croepha | bob2, well, i was running a shell server on a school network, ( for the GNU club ) but i thought we might want to step up a little and use X forwarding too... |
| 14:08.13 | jm_ | Norlin: there's a lot of ways, so yes |
| 14:08.15 | nvz | I use links as my primary browser, and mozilla-firebird or dillo for backup |
| 14:08.19 | Viperion | Norlin: echo "text" | mail user@localhost |
| 14:08.19 | hyksos | nvz : opera is still better than mozilla |
| 14:08.26 | Norlin | thanks |
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| 14:08.36 | Mage | hyksos: lies. |
| 14:08.39 | nvz | hyksos: yeah well mozilla sucks too, I am not going to argue about which sucks more |
| 14:08.42 | mfbian | opera is better if i can find a serial code for 7.23 |
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| 14:09.15 | guk | mfbian: I might have one |
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| 14:09.28 | hyksos | mfbian :its free, when you need big picture, press F12 |
| 14:09.36 | solars | if my server is offline and can't send mails it fills up the hd with /root/dead.letter , how can I prevent/control this? |
| 14:09.46 | guk | yeah operas plenty free |
| 14:09.49 | nvz | whoo hoo big picture.. |
| 14:09.51 | guk | w-izKBi-Cippp-XiABK-wFrjp-BXsyz |
| 14:09.51 | guk | see |
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| 14:09.52 | guk | free |
| 14:09.57 | mfbian | for 7.23? |
| 14:09.57 | nvz | damn M$ refugees |
| 14:10.02 | guk | it should work |
| 14:10.06 | guk | if not then your going to have to look |
| 14:10.14 | bob2 | dude. |
| 14:10.18 | bob2 | no warez. |
| 14:10.26 | tarzeau | !list |
| 14:10.26 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 14:10.28 | sussudio | guk: BaDg3r-BaDg3r-BaDg3r-5n4k3 |
| 14:10.28 | guk | it's no warez ... it's I love myself in encryption |
| 14:10.36 | hyksos | sorry f11 |
| 14:10.43 | guk | Ive been using since 7.0 so I never needed another key |
| 14:10.43 | cloud9 | solars: check if the host is up before sending emails |
| 14:10.43 | guk | thank |
| 14:10.44 | bob2 | Norlin: mail -s "a test mail" username@localhost |
| 14:10.44 | DevilX | test(mail" username@localhost); failed! please check code... |
| 14:10.50 | cloud9 | solars: use the exit code of ping -c 1 myhost |
| 14:11.05 | etox | I like warez sites, I found windows notepad on one of them |
| 14:11.06 | solars | cloud9, can't this be done automatically by the mta or so? |
| 14:11.11 | Zap-W | guk: heh , woud be hard to find working EDO ram these days |
| 14:11.23 | bob2 | Croepha: 16MB is going to be pretty tight to run even one X session in, much less lots |
| 14:11.30 | cloud9 | solars: i thought you said the MTA was down. where is the MTA? is the MTA down if not your local MTA is NOT working |
| 14:11.43 | solars | cloud9, because thats many log -mails and I can't check it before |
| 14:11.44 | guk | I got 128 EDO SIMMS in here ... and 64mb EDO SIMMS in my 133 sitting somewhere |
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| 14:11.51 | cloud9 | they should be queued under /var/mail/mqueue |
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| 14:12.07 | solars | cloud9, well I'm using ssmtp, which forwards to the outside mta |
| 14:12.10 | cloud9 | dead.letter is created by the MUA not the MTA |
| 14:12.21 | mozrat | Hey guys... I need to assign a second address to my loopback interface. How is this done??? |
| 14:12.26 | cloud9 | how are the emails created ? |
| 14:12.27 | Croepha | bob2 ok, i see, thank you... i will see what funding i can get these next couple of months.. |
| 14:12.29 | solars | cloud9, sorry, yeah I meant how to control it by the mua then |
| 14:12.31 | Zap-W | guk : send me |
| 14:12.38 | gb | umm why? |
| 14:12.40 | guk | Zap-W: uh ? |
| 14:12.49 | solars | cloud9, automatically by some logging tools |
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| 14:12.49 | cloud9 | solars: what is the MUA ? |
| 14:12.51 | Croepha | bob2, how much ram would ineed? |
| 14:12.54 | Ofloo | hi all got a question if i wana add new hd to my linux , do i need to do something (mount) or does it go auto ..? and if i wanted to make it the current /var how would i be doing that ? |
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| 14:12.56 | bob2 | mozrat: why? |
| 14:13.00 | gb | yay |
| 14:13.01 | solars | cloud9, like logcheck or so |
| 14:13.01 | cloud9 | solars: what are you using as the MUA ? |
| 14:13.03 | *** part/#debian xLobeznox (~rw-rw-rw-@80.224.238.77) |
| 14:13.07 | Croepha | bob2, how much ram would ineed? |
| 14:13.13 | bob2 | Ofloo: www.tldp.org, read the "new hard disk howto" |
| 14:13.13 | mozrat | bob2: for Linux Virtual Server loadbalancing :: ultramonkey.org |
| 14:13.20 | bob2 | Croepha: depends what you want to do. |
| 14:13.24 | cloud9 | or you just doing echo "blah" | mail -s "test" some.account@localhsot |
| 14:13.25 | DevilX | test(); failed! please check code... |
| 14:13.26 | gb | ramdisk is not an installation procedure :) |
| 14:13.35 | solars | cloud9, I guess these tools only use a pipe to mail |
| 14:13.41 | solars | cloud9, yep I think so |
| 14:13.54 | bob2 | mozrat: hah. doesn't it explain it? I didn't even think it was possible. |
| 14:13.54 | cloud9 | solars: well check the script and modify it to use a bash test condition (or perl etc) |
| 14:13.54 | DevilX | test(condition (or perl etc)); failed! please check code... |
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| 14:14.17 | solars | cloud9, no other way? alright I'll do it like that.. |
| 14:14.17 | cloud9 | and only send the mail if it returns a non zero exit codede |
| 14:14.24 | cloud9 | solars: hang on |
| 14:14.27 | bob2 | DevilX: go away |
| 14:14.33 | bob2 | DevilX: or ask an actual question |
| 14:14.35 | solars | cloud9, ok |
| 14:15.47 | bob2 | mozrat: ip add addr <ip> dev lo |
| 14:15.47 | DevilX | oh, sry |
| 14:15.47 | DevilX | mom |
| 14:15.47 | sussudio | !bugger proxyscanner.freenode.net |
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| 14:15.57 | Ofloo | tnx bob2 |
| 14:15.59 | DevilX | script:off |
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| 14:16.01 | bob2 | that was a ascript? |
| 14:16.03 | Ofloo | bob2: that crap page has no usefull howtos |
| 14:16.03 | DevilX | yes, sry bob2 |
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| 14:16.04 | solars | cloud9, ok, it seems that the mails stored in dead.letter are generate by crontab |
| 14:16.04 | bob2 | Ofloo: OMG LOLZ! |
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| 14:16.04 | bob2 | Ofloo: yes it does. |
| 14:16.05 | bob2 | DevilX: please turn whatever stupid scripts you have OFF. thanks. |
| 14:16.17 | DevilX | bob2: I did |
| 14:16.59 | Ofloo | bob2: to my opinion it doesn't |
| 14:17.01 | hackeron | can you recommend a tool for automatically configuring X? |
| 14:17.08 | doublehp | hello ; I am in trouble with esd; since I installed some alsa plugins, esd says me "audio_alsa: no cards found!". I dont want to use alsa drivers because my card works fine without; I dont know how to handle that error, what can I do ? |
| 14:17.10 | jm_ | hackeron: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:17.17 | nvz | hackeron: magic wand? |
| 14:17.28 | bob2 | Ofloo: that's nice. |
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| 14:19.18 | jm_ | doublehp: do you have both libesd0 and libesd-alsa0 nstalled ? |
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| 14:19.18 | jm_ | doublehp: do you have both libesd0 and libesd-alsa0 nstalled ? |
| 14:19.18 | Ofloo | bob2: also there is nothing on new hds only on how to do raid and crap and its not debian specific |
| 14:19.57 | doublehp | jm_: thats possible but I am not sure |
| 14:19.57 | jm_ | doublehp: well then check it |
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| 14:20.34 | bob2 | Ofloo: OK! |
| 14:20.35 | simonrvn | wee |
| 14:20.35 | js_ | haha |
| 14:20.35 | sussudio | badger |
| 14:20.35 | simonrvn | plug |
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| 14:20.50 | mozrat | Hey guys... I need to assign a second address to my loopback interface. How is this done??? |
| 14:20.53 | djw | what is wrong with this place today? |
| 14:20.54 | Ofloo | bob2: if that is helping out then nextime don't its the same as saying google .. |
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| 14:21.04 | bob2 | mozrat: ip add addr <ip> dev lo |
| 14:21.05 | mozrat | :x |
| 14:21.11 | sussudio | mozrat: google for ip aliasing howto |
| 14:21.13 | bob2 | Ofloo: fuck off. |
| 14:21.14 | Ofloo | bob2: if i didn't check google i wouldn't ask |
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| 14:21.52 | mozrat | bob2: tried that :-) |
| 14:22.07 | bob2 | mozrat: it works |
| 14:22.22 | doublehp | jm_: ok it works fine now |
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| 14:22.32 | bob2 | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue |
| 14:22.33 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.33 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.33 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:23.01 | bob2 | gah |
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| 14:23.07 | bob2 | now this window is in both channels |
| 14:23.08 | mozrat | bob2: Hmm let me try again! |
| 14:23.15 | nvz | djw: have you read your status window today? |
| 14:23.16 | bob2 | abrotman: hey, it wouldn't even let me join |
| 14:23.22 | simonrvn | bob2: part one of them |
| 14:23.26 | abrotman | bob2: you're in sad company |
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| 14:28.10 | doublehp | too much flood bye |
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| 14:28.16 | jm_ | heh |
| 14:28.16 | cloud9 | at the fear of making myself look stupid why would you want more than one ip on the loopback? to vhost without a network card ? |
| 14:28.16 | cloud9 | loil |
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| 14:28.16 | xukun | Alleria, modprobe ntfs returns nothing |
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| 14:28.16 | jm_ | I should grep my 200M #debian and see how much of it were netsplits et al |
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| 14:28.16 | wethion | kkk |
| 14:28.16 | nvz | well for those of you who didnt read your status window, it says -dmwaters(dmwaters@dmwaters.staff.freenode)- {global notice} hi all! We need to do some emergency rehubbing |
| 14:28.16 | cloud9 | there isn't too much flood if you use /ignore, correctly |
| 14:28.16 | wethion | Ok, I just installed a 2.6 kernel and I'm missing several modules. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 14:28.16 | bob2 | cloud9: that's what I was asking for |
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| 14:28.17 | flevour | wethion: several modules :p |
| 14:28.17 | flevour | wethion: jk. |
| 14:28.17 | wethion | flevour: I was waiting for that.. :) |
| 14:28.17 | cloud9 | bob2: ? eh ? |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | wasn't there a factoid pertaining to the story of the debian logo? |
| 14:28.17 | Alleria | xukun: try just mounting the volume? |
| 14:28.17 | nvz | abrotman: someone was spinning around drawing on the celing? |
| 14:28.17 | bob2 | cloud9: multiple ips on loopback seems silly |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | no .. im serious |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | someone is asking me |
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| 14:28.17 | abrotman | i thought there was some "story" |
| 14:28.17 | wethion | all I want to do is get my damn Archos mp3 player connected so I can get music on it. Feh. |
| 14:28.17 | bob2 | abrotman: www.debian.org/logo/ or soemthing. |
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| 14:28.17 | nvz | abrotman: /msg a bot, and use listkeys or listvals |
| 14:28.17 | bob2 | wethion: are you sure you selected the modules? |
| 14:28.17 | cloud9 | bob2: oh great ,. we're on teh same wave length then! glad i wasn't just missing something ! |
| 14:28.17 | Alleria | xukun: mount -t ntfs [device] [mountpoint] |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | nvz: i tried that .. listkeys logo |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | not much came up |
| 14:28.17 | bob2 | !+listkeys logo |
| 14:28.18 | wethion | bob2: it's a debian kernel... |
| 14:28.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'logo' by key (7 shown): logo ;; debian logo ;; (`logout`) ;; logos ;; linuxlogo ;; debian logo font ;; hblogo. |
| 14:28.20 | Blackm0re | Hi. I have a newly installed Debian GNU/Linux system using the latest stable Gnome. I am logged inn as normal user, but when I open gnome-terminal, su - and try to start ethereal ot gdmconfig I get the following message: |
| 14:28.20 | Blackm0re | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 14:28.20 | bob2 | !+debian logo |
| 14:28.20 | dpkg | it has been said that debian logo is the sweetest logo ever |
| 14:28.20 | Blackm0re | Can somebody help me out? |
| 14:28.22 | bob2 | Blackm0re: don't use su |
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| 14:28.22 | bob2 | Blackm0re: use sudo |
| 14:28.22 | petemc | Blackm0re: dont su |
| 14:28.22 | bob2 | Blackm0re: or sux |
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| 14:28.22 | bob2 | Blackm0re: or ssh -X root@localhost |
| 14:28.22 | bob2 | Blackm0re: or su -m |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | nvz: but those factoids dont relaly help me |
| 14:28.24 | bob2 | wethion: uname -r? |
| 14:28.24 | bob2 | abrotman: or the Debian history page? |
| 14:28.24 | wethion | bob2: 2.6.0-1.k7 |
| 14:28.28 | nvz | Blackm0re: or cp .Xauthority /root like a moron, I recommend sudo |
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| 14:28.46 | wethion | task even.... |
| 14:28.55 | ljlane | abrotman, google: raul create debian logo |
| 14:28.57 | jm_ | wethion: you think he's using O(1) ? |
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| 14:29.15 | jsn | My font, for most everything, changed with a recent update (unstable/powerpc). Is this the normal font, or was the old one? I think I like this one. |
| 14:29.16 | simonrvn | there |
| 14:29.17 | nvz | We use bob2 to benchmark typing tutor programs |
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| 14:29.20 | bob2 | raul just popped up on debian-legal |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | what history? |
| 14:29.27 | wethion | jm_ ? |
| 14:29.29 | abrotman | i found the logos page .. |
| 14:29.33 | ljlane | bob2, different raul |
| 14:29.41 | bob2 | wethion: which modules are missing? does "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep whatever" find them? |
| 14:29.50 | jm_ | wethion: nevermind then |
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| 14:30.24 | abrotman | so is there even a logo "story" |
| 14:30.35 | bob2 | ljlane: hmm? didn't someone email him to get a statement that he created it completely by himself? |
| 14:30.58 | tarzeau | if i have metafont source, how can i make 5000x5000 png ? |
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| 14:31.07 | cloud9 | can anyone help me with load balancing.. do you know why i get the error RTNETLINK answers: invalid argument |
| 14:31.16 | ljlane | bob2, it wasn't raul miller, who is likely to be the person in -legal |
| 14:31.25 | bob2 | cloud9: means you're missing some kernel option, iirc |
| 14:31.35 | wethion | bob2: perhaps I didn't explain well enough.. I was using 2.4, which had modules for usb-storage, which I couldn't get to work. I googled around and saw some suggestions that 2.6 worked, so upped to 2.6, to no avail. |
| 14:31.36 | keta | tarzeau: with lots of ram, surely :) |
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| 14:31.41 | cloud9 | bob2: I know that.. but i can't find out which one ;p |
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| 14:31.54 | cloud9 | bob2: i "think" it might be something to do with source routing |
| 14:31.55 | bob2 | ljlane: oh, you're right, raul silva |
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| 14:31.59 | ljlane | abrotman, there was a contest and vote. Som guy named Raul won. Google will reveal all. |
| 14:32.04 | cloud9 | bob2: since hte argument appears to be a "source route " directive |
| 14:32.05 | simonrvn | cloud9: modprobe netlink-dev or somesuch |
| 14:32.10 | tarzeau | keta: how, i have 384 mb of which more than the half is free |
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| 14:32.23 | bob2 | cloud9: Debian or custom kernel? |
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| 14:32.30 | cloud9 | cloud9: custom |
| 14:32.40 | bob2 | wethion: oh...so 2.6 doesn't have ausb-storage module or it does but it's broken as well? |
| 14:32.50 | fungku | whats the command for linking say /var/www to a folder in my home dir |
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| 14:32.58 | bob2 | cloud9: do you have "netlink device" in your networking options set? |
| 14:33.01 | cloud9 | cloud9: 2.4.24, whats the config name for that netlink-dev ? |
| 14:33.07 | bob2 | cloud9: I forget the exact name, but it's CONFIG_NETLINK or so |
| 14:33.14 | cloud9 | cloud9: there is no option for netlink |
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| 14:33.24 | bob2 | IRC will greatly increase your typing and reading speeds |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | ljlane: i found that stuff |
| 14:33.28 | KeithWeisshar | i still can't connect even after re-running pppoeconf |
| 14:33.38 | KeithWeisshar | i still can't fetch from the ftp |
| 14:33.48 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: can you ping ip addresses? |
| 14:33.54 | wethion | bob2: Hrm. I just found it.. it's called usb-storage.ko???? new naming convention or screwy filename? |
| 14:33.58 | KeithWeisshar | i don't know the ip addresses |
| 14:34.10 | cloud9 | bob2: I grepped the .config but its not in there, there IS NETLINK_DEV |
| 14:34.13 | caphuso | bob2: but it decreases the total amount of time you do actual work, so it's not really worth the increased speed :-) |
| 14:34.20 | KeithWeisshar | i don't even have resolv.conf |
| 14:34.23 | bob2 | wethion: new convention |
| 14:34.32 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: ping 216.239.37.99 |
| 14:34.32 | Norlin | Hello, sorry for this quite dumb question, but what might be wrong if I do not see the 'You have mail...' when starting an XTerm or su'ing to a user with mail? It used to be like that when I used sendmail but now I changed to exim, I have the mail-line uncommented in /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 14:34.53 | bob2 | caphuso: hah, massive netloss. but my peak efficieny skyrockets ;) |
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| 14:35.26 | cloud9 | bob2: what happens if there is no CONFIG_NETLINK and only a CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV ? |
| 14:35.31 | wethion | wholy swiss cheese batman! |
| 14:35.41 | cloud9 | does that mean that CONFIG_NETLINK in that kernel version is set by default |
| 14:35.44 | cloud9 | and hence not an option |
| 14:35.48 | simonrvn | cloud9: _DEV in this case means device, not devel |
| 14:35.50 | cloud9 | i.e. its now mandatory |
| 14:35.50 | sussudio | badgerman? |
| 14:36.06 | cloud9 | simonrvn: AHhhhhhhh |
| 14:36.08 | bob2 | cloud9: that's the one |
| 14:36.13 | cloud9 | simonrvn: and what about the missing CONFIG_NETLINK |
| 14:36.14 | bob2 | cloud9: _DEV |
| 14:36.18 | caphuso | cloud9: didn't you see bob2 telling you that he can't remember the exact name? |
| 14:36.26 | bob2 | cloud9: I was guessing at the name |
| 14:36.27 | bob2 | 01:33:06 bob2 | cloud9: I forget the exact name, but it's CONFIG_NETLINK or so |
| 14:36.41 | cloud9 | caphuso: i did, but i thought the DEV might mean DEVELOPMENT ;p |
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| 14:36.48 | caphuso | cloud9: don't think. listen. |
| 14:36.54 | R0UTE | whats the hardware detection like on the debian installer ? |
| 14:36.55 | cloud9 | caphuso: was a misunderstanding rather than me not payin attention |
| 14:37.01 | simonrvn | or, listen, then think |
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| 14:37.08 | cloud9 | bob2, simonrvn thank you very much for your help |
| 14:37.10 | caphuso | R0UTE: which one? |
| 14:37.12 | wethion | I'm gonna try this one more time and hope don't get hosed for reposting... when I try and start /etc/init.d/hotplug I get "input pci** can't synthesize pci hotplug events usb." |
| 14:37.15 | sussudio | R0UTE: depends on the user |
| 14:37.21 | R0UTE | caphuso : stable |
| 14:37.26 | caphuso | R0UTE: non-existant |
| 14:37.30 | wethion | suggestions? |
| 14:37.34 | simonrvn | *ent |
| 14:37.34 | R0UTE | caphuso : thanks |
| 14:37.41 | Blackm0re | Thanks all :) |
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| 14:37.59 | bob2 | wethion: I'm pretty sure that's ignorable |
| 14:38.08 | sussudio | !hig wethion |
| 14:38.12 | bob2 | wethion: since you would know if you have hotplug PCI hardware |
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| 14:38.49 | greycat | sussudio: Human Input... uh... Gate? |
| 14:39.04 | cloud9 | simonrvn: ok recompiled but i am still getting invalid argument RTNETLINK answers : invalid argument |
| 14:39.55 | cloud9 | its on a "ip route add $subnet $dev device name source table blah". removing the "source" makes the command work ok so the problem would "appear" to be with the "source" directive |
| 14:40.23 | wethion | bob2: I do have hotplug hardware. a USB drive. I can't mount it. mount says sde1 is not valid block device. |
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| 14:40.31 | cloud9 | CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV is set. |
| 14:40.36 | bob2 | wethion: hotplug PCI hardware |
| 14:40.38 | cloud9 | :°º° |
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| 14:40.44 | bob2 | cloud9: what kernel? |
| 14:40.52 | bob2 | wethion: which you do not have |
| 14:40.56 | cloud9 | 2.4.24 |
| 14:40.56 | admir___ | ? |
| 14:41.02 | caphuso | cloud9: did you reboot? have you checked that you really loaded the new kernel? |
| 14:41.10 | cloud9 | bob2: 2.4.24 |
| 14:41.15 | cloud9 | caphuso: yes |
| 14:41.22 | cloud9 | caphuso: rebooted and its the new kernel |
| 14:41.32 | cloud9 | checked the date on the uname |
| 14:41.37 | cloud9 | and it has the right revision number |
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| 14:41.44 | cloud9 | (about 20 at this point LOL) |
| 14:41.58 | wethion | bob2: Ok, I have no idea what to do now. fsck. |
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| 14:42.07 | wethion | !lart wethion |
| 14:42.07 | sussudio | greycat: [02:56:12] * cafuego higs his G450 |
| 14:42.10 | looksaus | anyone knows the easiest way to remove the last character from a line (not the EOL char) |
| 14:42.27 | Rog3rr | im getting some routing problems, i know this is probably the wrong chan but could someone please suggest a useful one for this ? |
| 14:42.35 | sussudio | looksaus: backspace? |
| 14:42.42 | cloud9 | looksaus: s/\(.$\)/\1/cf |
| 14:42.43 | cloud9 | looksaus: s/\(.$\)/\1/cg |
| 14:42.47 | cloud9 | something like that |
| 14:42.50 | bob2 | Rog3rr: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:42.51 | caphuso | looksaus: s/.$// |
| 14:42.57 | bob2 | wethion: what happens in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 14:43.01 | sussudio | !roger Rog3rr |
| 14:43.01 | dpkg | Bend over, Rog3rr and take it like a man! |
| 14:43.06 | Rog3rr | lol |
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| 14:43.12 | nailzy | lol |
| 14:43.13 | Rog3rr | cheers bob |
| 14:43.24 | KeithWeisshar | i get network unreachable when i ping an ip address |
| 14:43.32 | sussudio | KeithWeisshar: that's nice |
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| 14:43.36 | cloud9 | lol |
| 14:43.38 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: then your dsl isn't actually working |
| 14:43.42 | Rawplayer | looksaus :) |
| 14:43.45 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: which is what we were trying to establish |
| 14:43.45 | Rawplayer | nice nickname :P |
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| 14:43.53 | Rawplayer | belg ?:) |
| 14:44.01 | looksaus | thx |
| 14:44.06 | looksaus | Rawplayer, indeed |
| 14:44.10 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 14:44.13 | looksaus | caphuso: thanks |
| 14:44.20 | cloud9 | could this "source" thing be down to any other gremlins within the machine ? |
| 14:44.23 | KeithWeisshar | when i run pppstats it says no eth0 device found |
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| 14:44.38 | KeithWeisshar | when i type pon it tries to connect |
| 14:44.54 | wethion | holy shit.. dmesg has a whole line of evbug.c events other than that, nothing. I'm tail -f dmesg. |
| 14:45.15 | bob2 | cloud9: what actual command are you trying to run? |
| 14:45.16 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: is the module for your NIC loaded? |
| 14:45.17 | bob2 | wethion: google for evbug."c debian" and disable it |
| 14:45.17 | bob2 | known bug |
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| 14:45.20 | KeithWeisshar | yes |
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| 14:45.45 | KeithWeisshar | the link light on the modem is on |
| 14:45.47 | bob2 | stupid bot |
| 14:45.50 | KeithWeisshar | it goes on every time i boot |
| 14:45.53 | wethion | damn bob2: you got kicked for typing too cast.. |
| 14:45.57 | wethion | fast.. :) |
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| 14:46.15 | cloud9 | bob2: ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.253 table myISP |
| 14:46.22 | KeithWeisshar | i have three solid green lights on the dsl modem |
| 14:46.28 | cloud9 | bob2: i get "invalid argument" |
| 14:46.31 | KeithWeisshar | power, ready, and link are all on |
| 14:46.41 | bob2 | cloud9: does that table exist? |
| 14:46.50 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: blahblahblah, is the module for your NIC loaded? |
| 14:46.56 | rick-- | hi all i see i can do a apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-i386 but, i dont seem to be able to do it for any later kernels |
| 14:47.00 | rick-- | could someone assist ? |
| 14:47.02 | KeithWeisshar | when i type pon the yellow light blinks three times |
| 14:47.10 | KeithWeisshar | i have the module loaded |
| 14:47.17 | jm_ | rick--: what makes you think there are newer ones ? |
| 14:47.29 | abrotman | rick--: are you using woody? |
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| 14:47.37 | cloud9 | bob2: yes the table exists |
| 14:47.42 | KeithWeisshar | bob2, the nic module is loaded |
| 14:47.47 | jonny^ | hi all |
| 14:47.48 | jonny^ | i need |
| 14:47.49 | jonny^ | help |
| 14:47.49 | rick-- | abrotman, yes |
| 14:47.50 | cloud9 | bob2: removing the "src" part makes it work fine |
| 14:47.55 | cloud9 | bob2: i.e. the command is accepted |
| 14:48.07 | jonny^ | i want to install linux debian on an old notebook |
| 14:48.08 | abrotman | rick--: that is the newest for woody .. security fixes have been backported |
| 14:48.10 | jonny^ | echos 42 |
| 14:48.16 | thoreauputic | jonny^: just ask |
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| 14:48.17 | rick-- | ok |
| 14:48.18 | jonny^ | 4mb of ram and 130mb of hard drive |
| 14:48.23 | wethion | bob2: Ok, now back to the task at hand... dmesg does not recognize the connection. |
| 14:48.30 | jonny^ | anyone now a guide? |
| 14:48.33 | bob2 | cloud9: does that actually match the grammar ip accepts? |
| 14:48.34 | jonny^ | a tutorial |
| 14:48.42 | rick-- | thanx |
| 14:48.46 | jm_ | jonny^: woody won't work with such hardware |
| 14:48.47 | KeithWeisshar | why doesn't the dsl work even though the network module is installed |
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| 14:48.59 | bob2 | jonny^: 4MB won't work. |
| 14:48.59 | KeithWeisshar | pppoeconf found the access concentrator |
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| 14:49.00 | simonrvn | @tell jonny^ about ig |
| 14:49.02 | petemc | jonny^: the installer needs at least 12meg, you could look for slink install disks but it wouldnt be much fun |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | 4MB wont work? .. not even xless? |
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| 14:49.16 | bob2 | abrotman: apt needs 8-16MB |
| 14:49.20 | jonny^ | :( |
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| 14:49.24 | cloud9 | bob2: what do you mean? im just following the instructions on the advanced routing how to |
| 14:49.27 | saloxin | how's sid today? |
| 14:49.29 | abrotman | jonny^: any chance to get more ram for it? |
| 14:49.30 | bob2 | jonny^: www.tldp.org, low memeory howto |
| 14:49.34 | jonny^ | no |
| 14:49.35 | bob2 | cloud9: hm, ok |
| 14:49.43 | KeithWeisshar | i put the correct username and password in pppoeconf |
| 14:49.46 | jm_ | jonny^: older releases will work |
| 14:49.47 | jonny^ | yesterday i have opened it but no slot avaible |
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| 14:50.01 | bob2 | wethion: what happens when you unplug and replug it? anything get printed to syslog? |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | jonny^: how old is it? 386? |
| 14:50.16 | jonny^ | 486sx |
| 14:50.16 | bob2 | cloud9: #lartc, irc.oftc.net then |
| 14:50.27 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: what does syslog show? why can't it connect? |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | jonny^: ive seen debian running on a similiar box .. but it was either slink or potato |
| 14:50.54 | sussudio | abrotman: bollocks it was. |
| 14:51.00 | sussudio | try bo or hamm |
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| 14:51.04 | abrotman | sussudio: ? |
| 14:51.07 | jonny^ | :( |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | it was in .. uhm 1999 i think |
| 14:51.16 | petemc | sussudio: slink worked for me with 4meg |
| 14:51.27 | cloud9 | bob2: seems strange that it "appears" to be the "src" part that makes it fail |
| 14:51.27 | sussudio | petemc: badger |
| 14:51.32 | cloud9 | bob2: like i said, removing that part it works fine |
| 14:51.39 | petemc | sussudio: skunk |
| 14:51.43 | KeithWeisshar | i have verizon dsl |
| 14:51.45 | jonny^ | thx i have found a guide for laptop with low feature |
| 14:51.45 | sussudio | petemc: snaaaaaake |
| 14:51.46 | jonny^ | thx all |
| 14:51.55 | petemc | sussudio: sloth |
| 14:51.58 | wethion | KeithWeisshar: as much as I hate to say this.. get roaring penguin's pppoe software. it an RPM use alien to make a deb and install it. I fscked around for hours with the official deb, to no avail. RP worked OOTB. |
| 14:52.07 | KeithWeisshar | i'm currently booted in windows |
| 14:52.17 | sussudio | petemc: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 14:52.17 | petemc | KeithWeisshar: get an adsl modem/router, make your life a lot simpler |
| 14:52.29 | X3n_ | /$logo |
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| 14:52.51 | KeithWeisshar | i'm booted into windows because this is the only computer i have |
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| 14:53.12 | KeithWeisshar | i installed debian on hdb |
| 14:53.12 | petemc | sussudio: almost as annoying as the dancing hamster thing :) |
| 14:53.21 | KeithWeisshar | the second hard drive |
| 14:53.27 | KeithWeisshar | hda still has windows me |
| 14:53.42 | sussudio | petemc: BADGERBADGERBADGERBADGER |
| 14:53.57 | wethion | KeithWeisshar: also, get ethereal and sniff the line.. I think you may see that your isp is refusing your login. apparently some of them need some special characters preceding the login.. YMMV. |
| 14:54.05 | petemc | sussudio: stop "badgering" me :) |
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| 14:54.17 | bob2 | wethion: Debian's PPPOE IS roaring penguin |
| 14:54.34 | greycat | BADGERS?! We don' need no stinking *badgers*! |
| 14:54.44 | wethion | bob2: I know, however, Debian's pppoe didn't work and RP's did. |
| 14:54.46 | KeithWeisshar | does debian include adsl-setup |
| 14:55.00 | Ofloo | KeithWeisshar no don't think so |
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| 14:55.06 | keta | KeithWeisshar: pppoeconf |
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| 14:55.36 | Ofloo | sorry seems it does pppoeconf - configures PPPoE/ADSL |
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| 14:55.53 | Pezz453 | can you format an hd from root, if so whast the command syntax? anyone know? |
| 14:56.00 | Ofloo | KeithWeisshar: not sur about pppoa |
| 14:56.11 | KeithWeisshar | where do i download roaring penguin pppoe |
| 14:56.19 | greycat | !wayttd Pezz453 |
| 14:56.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Pezz453? |
| 14:56.22 | asg | sussudio: MUSHROOM< MUSHROOM |
| 14:56.42 | sussudio | asg: SNAAAAAAAAKE |
| 14:56.45 | asg | dondelelcaro: :) I know, I was just kidding |
| 14:56.46 | Pezz453 | dpkg: format my hd from a live cd distro |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | Pezz453: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:56.58 | Pezz453 | ive already set the partitions, i need to format them |
| 14:56.59 | asg | sussudio: :) |
| 14:57.04 | greycat | Pezz453: you want (c)fdisk and mkfs.* |
| 14:57.22 | KeithWeisshar | how do i install rp-pppoe into debian |
| 14:57.29 | Pezz453 | mkfs thats it, jeez |
| 14:57.30 | Pezz453 | thx |
| 14:57.34 | keta | KeithWeisshar: why you want rp-pppoe? |
| 14:57.40 | thoreauputic | Pezz453: dpkg is a bot ;) |
| 14:57.43 | KeithWeisshar | pppoeconf isn't working |
| 14:57.51 | Pezz453 | lol |
| 14:57.58 | Pezz453 | nice |
| 14:57.58 | jonny^ | excuse me but on an old laptop with 4mb ram ed 130mb hard drive after the install i will have only the console? |
| 14:58.08 | sussudio | !fsck Pezz453 |
| 14:58.08 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/Pezz453 : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 14:58.09 | KeithWeisshar | how do i install the full version of rp-pppoe |
| 14:58.12 | keta | KeithWeisshar: you have it, write down pppoeconf and configure the dsl modem |
| 14:58.23 | greycat | jonny^: it's highly unlikely the installation will even succeed in 4 MB of RAM |
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| 14:58.40 | wethion | KeithWeisshar: get alien. get RP's RPM for pppoe. make a package (RTM). dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 14:58.42 | keta | KeithWeisshar: download the fucking tarball and compile it. |
| 14:58.46 | jonny^ | :( |
| 14:58.52 | jonny^ | yes bbut windows 3.1 work good |
| 14:58.53 | KeithWeisshar | how do i sniff the pppoe connection |
| 14:59.00 | sussudio | jonny^: why are you even bothering? |
| 14:59.05 | SlayerXP | KeithWeisshar: put the wire under you nose |
| 14:59.23 | greycat | jonny^: if you can't add more RAM, there's no way you'll get any OS released later than 1994 working on it |
| 14:59.25 | keta | SlayerXP: nice tip |
| 14:59.32 | jonny^ | a ok |
| 14:59.35 | jonny^ | sorry |
| 14:59.35 | wethion | KeithWeisshar: it is true that RP's pppoe is Debian's, however for some reason RP's works. |
| 14:59.50 | abrotman | win95 says it runs on 4mb doesn't it? |
| 15:00.08 | thoreauputic | jonny^: maybe tiny linux |
| 15:00.15 | sussudio | abrotman: yes, it does. eventually. |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | jonny^: ive heard peple say slackware works on low mem systems . but youd have to ask them |
| 15:00.47 | abrotman | and also actually want to use slackware |
| 15:00.48 | jm_ | I have used debian 1.3 and 2.0 on my 4M and 8M systems |
| 15:00.52 | jonny^ | thoreauputic 8 mb ram at least |
| 15:01.01 | thoreauputic | :( |
| 15:01.09 | keta | jonny^: there's a laptop howto on tldp, and that was similar to yours, with a really rough X running too. |
| 15:01.16 | jonny^ | abrotman: the how to is on slackware |
| 15:01.18 | sussudio | even Piggy's older mobo has 32MB |
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| 15:02.06 | abrotman | jonny^: maybe try slink .. but you're pushing it |
| 15:02.40 | jonny^ | keta: it say that cant run X |
| 15:02.54 | jonny^ | abtorman: i search about that |
| 15:02.57 | KeithWeisshar | what version of pppoeconf does debian ship with |
| 15:03.10 | jm_ | jonny^: it's on archive.debian.org |
| 15:03.25 | keta | jonny^: really? I read it several years ago, it's possible |
| 15:03.57 | keta | KeithWeisshar: packages.debian.org find out yourself. |
| 15:04.03 | abrotman | jonny^: as per the install manual for slink .. 4mb sholuld work |
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| 15:04.29 | abrotman | jonny^: http://www.debian.org/releases/2.1/i386/install |
| 15:04.30 | KeithWeisshar | does debian include the ethereal command for debugging |
| 15:04.34 | jm_ | abrotman: rouble with that is that it's usually less than 4M (i.e. 4M - 256k) and then you have issues |
| 15:04.52 | jm_ | KeithWeisshar: packages.debian.org and find out |
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| 15:05.09 | serg | anybody use apt-proxy ? |
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| 15:05.26 | thoreauputic | jonny^: what about http://website.lineone.net/~brichardson/linux/4mb_laptops/4mb_Laptops.html |
| 15:06.27 | jonny^ | abrotama: ok i'll read and try |
| 15:06.48 | jonny^ | thoreauputic: it say "It isn't going to run X" |
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| 15:07.07 | mike_ | i have a shuttle box with an intel audio chip on board that uses the ac97 codec - from what i've read it requires also to work, so i am using kernel-image-2.4.22-1 and alsa modules for it, and on bootup the alsa modules are loading for the sound board without errors, and i can mpg123 an mp3 and it doesn't give an error, but no sound comes out of the speakers (and just to test i moved the speaker plug to all the different ports). Does anyone know why this may |
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| 15:07.40 | jm_ | Mike6: read ALSA FAQ and un-mute the card |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | mike_ i have ac97 .. and no alsa |
| 15:07.47 | jm_ | mike_ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:07.55 | sussudio | mike_: yes, like it says when you load ALSA..... USE THE FREAKING MIXER TO UNMUTE IT |
| 15:08.02 | thoreauputic | jonny^: you might look at small x servers - like the ones used in DamnSmalllinux |
| 15:08.19 | mike_ | jm_: thank you |
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| 15:08.27 | Ekaterin | I think I've discovered a reproducible NFS file locking bug in 2.6.1. What should I do about it, please? |
| 15:08.35 | jonny^ | thoreauputic: ok but i'm really noob |
| 15:08.39 | bob2 | Ekaterin: bugs.kernel.org |
| 15:08.42 | jm_ | Ekaterin: first check if it has been reported already |
| 15:08.49 | mike_ | sussudio: theres absolutely no reason for you to scream like a 2 year old over something like that, it can be answered far easier and calmer, look at jm :P |
| 15:08.54 | jonny^ | thoreauputic: don't seems easy enought |
| 15:09.03 | jodathmorr | anyone here able to help guide me through fixing my system so I can use 2.6.1? |
| 15:09.05 | mike_ | sussudio: sorry if i didn't see it say anything about unmuting it, i guess i'm a bad person for that |
| 15:09.09 | mike_ | good grief |
| 15:09.18 | bob2 | bugzilla.kernel.org |
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| 15:10.16 | thoreauputic | jonny^: hmm...search for really early slackware - there must be some out there |
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| 15:11.10 | bob2 | win3.1 was painful in 4mb, iirc |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | it wasn't that bad |
| 15:11.24 | jonny^ | k but DamnSmalllinux run X? |
| 15:11.29 | asg | bob2: was painful in general |
| 15:11.30 | abrotman | it wasn't great .. but it was windows |
| 15:11.35 | bob2 | heh |
| 15:11.39 | jodathmorr | anyone here running 2.6.1? |
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| 15:12.55 | jonny^ | ok byebye |
| 15:12.57 | jonny^ | see u soon |
| 15:13.37 | fungku | exit |
| 15:13.45 | jm_ | bob2: w95 was pain with 4M ;) |
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| 15:15.52 | wethion | can anyone tell me if isd-200 support is compiled into the 2.6-k7 kernel? |
| 15:16.01 | jm_ | wethion: ls -l /boot |
| 15:16.05 | gb | lsd? |
| 15:16.48 | wethion | jm_: all that does is list the kernels in /boot.. I'm looking for a specific driver. |
| 15:16.56 | sandman | Is there a way to make "xset m 0" a system-wide change, and run @ every boot? (I don't want to edit .xinitrc every time) |
| 15:17.03 | jm_ | wethion: no, it also lists other files that will help you with your question |
| 15:17.05 | Viperion | can you recommend me some good free ip accounting software? |
| 15:17.14 | wethion | jm_: Ahah. thanks. |
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| 15:17.23 | jm_ | sandman10_99: there's /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 15:17.39 | jm_ | sandman read above |
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| 15:17.46 | gb | what does xset m 0 do? |
| 15:17.47 | jodathmorr | i installed 2.6-k7 last night and it asked me to change something in one of the configs and I didn't and now im getting a kernel panic. what did i need to change and can i still do it? |
| 15:17.49 | sandman | jm_: th |
| 15:17.50 | sandman | x |
| 15:18.01 | jm_ | sandman: and make sure that whatever you use to start X honours it |
| 15:18.30 | sandman | jm_: Righto. |
| 15:18.58 | thoreauputic | Viperion: free ip? |
| 15:19.10 | wethion | jm_: Ok, so it's in there. Thanks. |
| 15:19.17 | Viperion | thoreauputic: free ip accounting software ... |
| 15:19.29 | jm_ | wethion: there you go - no worries |
| 15:19.32 | Viperion | i want account the traffic for my users on my network |
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| 15:19.49 | jodathmorr | hey wethion |
| 15:19.52 | jodathmorr | can you remember? |
| 15:19.56 | wethion | jm_: lotsa worries, however, that alleviated one fo them. |
| 15:19.57 | KeithWeisshar | how do i install ethereal, i get command not found |
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| 15:20.06 | wethion | jodathmorr: remember what? |
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| 15:20.09 | thoreauputic | uh....I don't get the ip bit, sorry: do you know gnucash? |
| 15:20.09 | KeithWeisshar | i only have a minimal system |
| 15:20.09 | jodathmorr | i installed 2.6-k7 last night and it asked me to change something in one of the configs and I didn't and now im getting a kernel panic. what did i need to change and can i still do it? |
| 15:20.12 | wethion | KeithWeisshar: apt-get install ethereal |
| 15:20.18 | jm_ | KeithWeisshar: don't bother, it requires X |
| 15:20.33 | jodathmorr | wethion: do you remember what needed to be changed around? |
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| 15:20.36 | sandman | I run echo "1">/proc/acpi/sleep, and the screen just flashes, rather than standby. |
| 15:20.43 | sandman | How to fix? |
| 15:20.54 | KeithWeisshar | how do i check the packets in console |
| 15:21.02 | KeithWeisshar | how do i check for padi packets |
| 15:21.04 | jm_ | KeithWeisshar: iptraf,tcpdump |
| 15:21.10 | ljlane | Viperion: tried apt-cache search "ip accouting" ? |
| 15:21.22 | Viperion | ljlane: yes |
| 15:21.29 | Viperion | nothing |
| 15:21.51 | jodathmorr | wethion: i installed 2.6-k7 last night and it asked me to change something in one of the configs and I didn't and now im getting a kernel panic. what did i need to change and can i still do it? |
| 15:21.55 | ljlane | Viperion: five or so in sid |
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| 15:21.59 | KeithWeisshar | i tried plog and it says connection terminated |
| 15:21.59 | jodathmorr | wethion: do you remember what needed to be changed? |
| 15:22.07 | wethion | jodathmorr: no idea.. |
| 15:22.10 | jodathmorr | ok |
| 15:22.13 | KeithWeisshar | no response to pap authentication requests |
| 15:22.14 | sandman | jodathmorr: When did it ask? |
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| 15:22.26 | jodathmorr | sandman: after i aptgeted |
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| 15:22.46 | sandman | jodathmorr: During make oldconfig? If that's when, simply rm .config in the kernel, type make defconfig && make menuconfig to get a clea start. |
| 15:22.56 | jodathmorr | it wanted me to change a line in something and looking back on ir i forgot |
| 15:22.56 | sandman | kernel=kerneldir, rather |
| 15:23.12 | jodathmorr | well i didn't need to menuconfig when i downloaded it |
| 15:23.17 | jodathmorr | it was a kernel_image |
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| 15:24.49 | Viperion | ljlane: none of this works for me :( I need something with web based statistic for the amount of traffic of each user on my network ... |
| 15:25.52 | CosmoDad | hi I've downloaded and installed kernel 2.4.23 myself but now apt-get always tries to grab 2.4.18 -- how can I stop that? |
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| 15:26.04 | CosmoDad | apt-get update that is |
| 15:26.23 | jm_ | CosmoDad: remove the kernel image that you have installed previously |
| 15:26.32 | CosmoDad | jm_: ok |
| 15:26.34 | Viperion | netacct-mysql worked fine but than I have recompiled the kernel and after that I couldnt install it .. it search's for pthreads and I have them installed on my system and it still continues to search for them ... :P~~~~~~ |
| 15:26.40 | Zap-W | why dosen't debian have any utility to configure dosemu |
| 15:26.41 | bilbo | How do I stop debian from booting straight into X? I thought it was editing the /etc/inittab file and changing the default init level, is that right? |
| 15:26.51 | jm_ | Zap-W: it has many editors |
| 15:26.58 | jm_ | bilbo: /msg apt nodm |
| 15:27.05 | bilbo | thanks |
| 15:27.06 | jm_ | bilbo: it's wrong btw |
| 15:27.17 | bilbo | huh? |
| 15:27.25 | bilbo | ahh |
| 15:27.27 | Zap-W | jm_ : editors? |
| 15:27.28 | bilbo | thanks :) |
| 15:27.31 | jm_ | that thing about runlevels is RedHat-ism |
| 15:27.36 | jm_ | Zap-W: yes, text editors |
| 15:27.55 | CosmoDad | jm_: can I do that even though I'd like to use that old .18 as backup kernel? |
| 15:27.56 | Zap-W | jm_ : what's the connection |
| 15:27.57 | Zap-W | 1? |
| 15:28.03 | jm_ | CosmoDad: no |
| 15:28.05 | bilbo | Another quick question.. I installed mdetect and it said I got /dev/ttyS0 microsoft mouse.. I edited XF86Config-4 and put them values in and it doesnt move the cursor just sits there? |
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| 15:28.12 | CosmoDad | jm_: too bad |
| 15:28.18 | Zap-W | jm_: an editor isn't a configuration tool |
| 15:28.24 | jm_ | Zap-W: dosemu has a text config file, you can use a text editor to edit it |
| 15:28.27 | jm_ | Zap-W: sure it is |
| 15:28.36 | jm_ | CosmoDad: then simply upgrade it and use new one as a backup |
| 15:28.44 | wethion | Ok, when I try to insmod usb-storage.ko, I get unknown symbol in module. suggestions? |
| 15:28.44 | Zap-W | jm_ : an editor is dumb , i do the configuration when using an editor |
| 15:29.18 | jm_ | Zap-W: yeah, the good thing about dosemu is that default config file is nicely documented |
| 15:29.19 | CosmoDad | jm_: ok.. |
| 15:29.28 | jm_ | or commented if you want |
| 15:30.16 | sandman | I run echo "1">/proc/acpi/sleep, and the screen just flashes with this text: Stopping tasks ========| <newline here> Restarting tasks... done. and then comes back, rather than standby. |
| 15:30.25 | sandman | It's lke it goes into standby, but then comes right back. |
| 15:30.56 | sandman | How to fix? |
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| 15:31.03 | CosmoDad | oh and: does anyone know why trying to set up DMA on my brand new HDD with 'hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb' fails with "Operation not permitted" even though I *did* include all necessary kernel options? |
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| 15:31.47 | jm_ | CosmoDad: you're probably missing some kernel options or it disables it due to bugs (but it would tell you in this case I guess) |
| 15:32.25 | CosmoDad | jm_: I checked the options several times, any chance you could give me a list of what I need so I could be _really_ sure? |
| 15:32.29 | jm_ | CosmoDad: it's usually not required to enable DMA if you have half-decent motherboard and disk |
| 15:32.55 | CosmoDad | jm_: what do you mean by "not required" ? it ain't bad either.. |
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| 15:33.21 | jm_ | CosmoDad: here are mine CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI, CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX, CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES |
| 15:33.34 | jm_ | CosmoDad: it's often set by default to sane value |
| 15:33.35 | Zap-W | jm_ : is it |
| 15:33.36 | jm_ | values |
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| 15:34.05 | CosmoDad | jm_: all modules, built-in or mixed on your box? |
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| 15:34.21 | jm_ | CosmoDad: it's all built-in as far as IDE goes |
| 15:34.27 | CosmoDad | jm_: i c |
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| 15:35.01 | jm_ | my hdparm init.d script only does -u 1 for the disk |
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| 15:35.15 | jm_ | and -d 1 for the cd-rom since it's not enabled by default |
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| 15:35.41 | Sultrix | Can anyone help me, im trying to setup X ive got the setup correct just cant get my mouse to work in it, its a serial mouse.. so I installed mdetect moved the mouse and it said im using /dev/ttyS0 and microsoft so I put them values in the x server config file but the cursor just wont move when I run X (the mouse worked in slackware previously installed)? |
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| 15:36.10 | jm_ | Sultrix: verify layout section, make sure it's using the sections that mention /dev/ttyS0 and the afore mentioned protocol |
| 15:36.12 | greycat | Sultrix: if gpm is running, kill it |
| 15:36.15 | CosmoDad | jm_: among the options you just gave me, I've enabled all but the P2 issue (since I have an athlon) |
| 15:36.25 | jm_ | gpm shouldn't cause problems with ttyS0 |
| 15:36.38 | jm_ | CosmoDad: which chipset is it ? |
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| 15:36.47 | Cire | I've a pcmcia ethernet card, /etc/network/interfaces is set up correctly. ifconfig returns only loopback device, ifconfig -a returns lo AND eth0. I can set up the card manually with ifconfig, and it works, but after reboot this has to be done again. |
| 15:37.11 | CosmoDad | jm_: some VIA, 686B (urgh, is that southbridge?) |
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| 15:37.22 | jm_ | CosmoDad: vt8237 ? |
| 15:37.27 | CosmoDad | jm_: VIA APOLLO 133 |
| 15:37.44 | jm_ | CosmoDad: ahh, that's old - did you check logs ? |
| 15:37.59 | Sultrix | greycat, ok |
| 15:38.09 | CosmoDad | jm_: there's a 900 Mhz Athlon on it, it should do DMA |
| 15:38.23 | jm_ | CosmoDad: yes, it bloody should or it would be crawling ;) |
| 15:38.37 | abrotman | Cire: is eth0 set to come up on boot? |
| 15:38.42 | Sultrix | greycat, no gpm is not in use.. |
| 15:38.50 | Sultrix | jm_ there using the right sections |
| 15:38.59 | Cire | "auto lo eth0" is set. Is that what you mean? |
| 15:39.03 | serg | anybody use APT-PROXY ? |
| 15:39.17 | abrotman | Cire: any errors in dmesg? .. maybe somehting with the same IP? |
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| 15:39.24 | jm_ | Sultrix: are you sure ? double check it since debian's config is known to produce this, and does your kernel have serial support ? |
| 15:39.30 | CosmoDad | jm_: can't find anything in the logs |
| 15:39.32 | Cire | abrotman: no |
| 15:39.41 | Sultrix | jm pretty sure it would |
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| 15:39.46 | wethion | wow, who'da ever thought it'd be do damn tough getting a simple USB drive to work on a clean debian system. sheesh. and I still can't get it. |
| 15:39.53 | jm_ | Sultrix: try gpm |
| 15:40.00 | Sultrix | mdetect detects the mouse so kernel support is probably working |
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| 15:40.11 | abrotman | Cire: when you reboot .. if you `/etc/init.d/networking restart` does it come up? |
| 15:40.12 | Cire | I think this has to do with the time pcmcia is initialized, and network is configured. (trying to configure network BEFORE pcmcia is initialized?) |
| 15:40.12 | wolfman2000 | Morning...I'll try this again. Does anyone know of a good linux ips patcher program? |
| 15:40.16 | CosmoDad | jm_: could this be a bug in 2.4.23? IIRC DMA was on in my 2.4.18, but my 160 GB HD wouldn't be recognized on that old one |
| 15:40.29 | Sultrix | jm_ no gpm works but the mouse still doesnt work in x |
| 15:40.32 | jm_ | CosmoDad: well there were IDE changes all the way from 2.4.20 and on-wards |
| 15:40.39 | pngwn | wethion, what kernel? |
| 15:40.39 | abrotman | Cire: then set the modules to load before eth0 |
| 15:40.42 | jm_ | Sultrix: tell gpm to repeat to X, use /dev/gpmdata for X |
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| 15:40.52 | wethion | pngwn: 2.6-k7 |
| 15:41.11 | Sultrix | jm_ so I put that under core pointers in the config file? |
| 15:41.13 | wethion | pngwn: a debian kernel |
| 15:41.15 | jm_ | Sultrix: and did you check XFree86.0.log ? |
| 15:41.24 | Sultrix | yes |
| 15:41.26 | Sultrix | nothing |
| 15:41.30 | Sultrix | well |
| 15:41.30 | jm_ | Sultrix: you put it in whichever section is being used |
| 15:41.37 | pngwn | wethion, ahh...I don't use 2.6...but I thought they'd improved usb on that release ;) |
| 15:41.39 | Sultrix | it cant locate sis driver apparently |
| 15:41.44 | Sultrix | thats the only error |
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| 15:41.57 | Steven_ | hi Sultrix |
| 15:41.59 | jm_ | you mean X doesn't even start ? |
| 15:42.04 | Cire | `/etc/init.d/networking restart` works! |
| 15:42.10 | Sultrix | Hey Steven_ |
| 15:42.11 | wethion | pngwn: what kernel are you using? perhaps some of the tools'll carry over. |
| 15:42.15 | abrotman | Cire: but all the modules are loaded |
| 15:42.19 | Sultrix | jm_ it does start |
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| 15:42.23 | Sultrix | thats the wierd thing |
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| 15:42.35 | pngwn | wethion, 2.4.24 |
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| 15:42.44 | Cire | I think so. Otherwise networking restart wouldn't work. right? |
| 15:42.45 | jm_ | Sultrix: put .0.log somewhere on the web so I can see it |
| 15:42.46 | abrotman | Cire: its something in the modules.conf(i think) .. pre-install <nicdriver> <pcmcia driver> |
| 15:42.49 | Sultrix | Steven_ From irc.kazaa.org? |
| 15:42.50 | jm_ | Sultrix: along with config file |
| 15:42.56 | Sultrix | hrm |
| 15:42.59 | Sultrix | hang on sec |
| 15:43.06 | streuner_ | Sultrix: what' up dude? :-) |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | Cire: i can't remember the pcmcia module for networking |
| 15:43.22 | wethion | pngwn: what did you have to do to get it working? I had 2.4 and upped to 2.6 to see if it would make things more clear. |
| 15:43.23 | bizkit | how can i solve this problem warnquota run by cron sends me: warnquota: Can't get name for uid 1000.? |
| 15:43.37 | Sultrix | streuner_, Heya! ltns, not alot trying to sort out some X problems.. |
| 15:43.45 | Sultrix | jm_ can I dcc them u? |
| 15:44.15 | pngwn | wethion, loaded the modules and it worked (tm) |
| 15:44.18 | streuner_ | Sultrix: forget it :-) tried to get a serial mouse working, it detects it as PS/2 mouse... |
| 15:44.20 | wethion | Heh, I'm afraid to say make things easier on this channel. Linux isn't supposed to be simple, right? ;) |
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| 15:44.33 | wethion | pngwn: which modules did you have to load? |
| 15:44.36 | Cire | sorry, do I have to add this line to modules.conf |
| 15:44.38 | Cire | ? |
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| 15:44.47 | streuner_ | Sultrix: s/detects/detected/ |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | Cire: i think you're not actually supposed to mess with that file |
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| 15:45.05 | Sultrix | streuner_, yeah thats what XFree86 -configure did but I downloaded mdetect.. and its ok now |
| 15:45.07 | Sultrix | well |
| 15:45.09 | Sultrix | no its not ok |
| 15:45.12 | Sultrix | it doesnt work :( |
| 15:45.15 | pngwn | wethion, usb storage and anything else relevant |
| 15:45.17 | CosmoDad | jm_: could it be that it is not possible to enable DMA on a disk being mounted? |
| 15:45.19 | Sultrix | but it detects it as /dev/ttyS0 |
| 15:45.22 | abrotman | Cire: check /etc/modutils perhaps |
| 15:45.30 | Sultrix | jm_ you there? |
| 15:45.33 | streuner_ | Sultrix: that were the results with mdetect.... |
| 15:45.45 | Sultrix | hrm |
| 15:45.54 | wethion | pngwn: I'm trying to get usb-storage.ko to load and all I get are unresolved symbols. I think that's where the falldown is. |
| 15:45.54 | Sultrix | so I cant get a serial mouse to work? |
| 15:46.03 | pngwn | wethion, I use pendrives, cdrw and a usb hard drive...no problems |
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| 15:46.07 | jm_ | Sultrix: I can't accept DCC-s now |
| 15:46.09 | streuner_ | Sultrix: of course |
| 15:46.11 | jm_ | CosmoDad: no |
| 15:46.13 | Sultrix | damn |
| 15:46.27 | Sultrix | I cant do anything else other than dcc it |
| 15:46.39 | streuner_ | Sultrix: should be a mobo issue for me... |
| 15:46.44 | pngwn | wethion, I gotta run...pizza is here...good luck |
| 15:46.46 | Sultrix | ah |
| 15:47.15 | wethion | does anyone know why I'd be getting unresolved symbols using Debian kernel 2.6.0-k7 loading usb-storage.ko? |
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| 15:47.40 | Sultrix | rg |
| 15:47.41 | Sultrix | arg |
| 15:47.46 | Sultrix | stupid debian |
| 15:48.06 | streuner_ | Sultrix: you have to choose the right protocol |
| 15:48.07 | jm_ | debian ? it's got nothing to do with debian |
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| 15:48.22 | Sultrix | streuner_, is microsoft a protocol? or what... |
| 15:48.33 | Sultrix | cause in mdetect it say ttyS0 and microsoft |
| 15:48.37 | streuner_ | Sultrix: /j #floods |
| 15:48.40 | Sultrix | ok |
| 15:48.42 | jm_ | yes it is |
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| 15:48.55 | nk__ | hm... i put my startscripts in /etc/rc2.d/ but what, if I got a x-program that I wanna run after startup of x? |
| 15:49.07 | jm_ | nk__: use ~/.xsession |
| 15:49.18 | Sultrix | nevermind |
| 15:49.22 | Sultrix | I got the mouse working |
| 15:49.27 | Cire | strange... S20pcmcia is in rc2.d, rc3.d, rc4.d, rc5.d |
| 15:49.29 | Sultrix | I had auto in protocol changed it to microsoft and it worked |
| 15:49.45 | Sultrix | with one problem its realt sticky and doesnt move very cleanly any ideas about that? |
| 15:50.29 | patter | are cron jobs run as the user who's crontab they are in? |
| 15:50.35 | jm_ | patter: yes |
| 15:50.36 | Shorty- | anyone know what port pptp listens on? |
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| 15:50.45 | petemc | Shorty-: 1723 iirs |
| 15:50.47 | abrotman | Sultrix: clean the mouse |
| 15:50.50 | SlayerXP | Shorty-: :/etc/services |
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| 15:51.02 | Sultrix | no its not the mouse its to config or somthing |
| 15:51.03 | wethion | Ok, last time. I'm trying to get my USB drive to work. I'm running unstable with the 2.6 kernel from debian. I try to insmod usb-storage.ko and I get "insmod: error inserting 'usb-storage.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module". I don't know what to do from here. Help? |
| 15:51.05 | Sultrix | the mouse works fine |
| 15:51.57 | streuner_ | Sultrix: compare my serial Device Section |
| 15:52.13 | abrotman | wethion: did you ask in #kernel or #kernelnewbies at all? |
| 15:52.20 | Sultrix | ok |
| 15:52.34 | wethion | abrotman: Will try there. Thanks. |
| 15:52.34 | streuner_ | Sultrix: see any difference? |
| 15:52.43 | Justin__ | !tell wethion about 2.6 problems |
| 15:52.46 | Justin__ | !tell wethion about insmod |
| 15:52.54 | Sultrix | streuner_, where is ur's? |
| 15:53.23 | streuner_ | Sultrix: i pasted in #floods |
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| 15:53.45 | Sultrix | ahh yeah I see |
| 15:53.56 | petemc | abrotman: #kernelnewbies is for kernel hacking, not configuration |
| 15:54.04 | bizkit | howto remove any quotas for user with id 1000? (the user doesnt exist anymore, but theres still a entry in the quota list?!) |
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| 15:54.12 | Sultrix | streuner_, same apart from emulate 3 timeout and sendcoreevents |
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| 15:54.38 | abrotman | petemc: my bad .. someone spank me |
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| 15:54.45 | petemc | ~spank abrotman |
| 15:54.49 | | ACTION bends abrotman over his knee and tattoos 'ibot' in his pasty white buttocks |
| 15:54.49 | sussudio | !hig abrotman |
| 15:55.00 | streuner_ | Sultrix: you just added the section to the PS/2 section, when you stick a PS/2 it will be detected as well as you stick an serial mouse into. |
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| 15:55.11 | abrotman | much better .. now i know .. and knowing is half the battle ... GO JOE! |
| 15:55.51 | Sultrix | well looks like debian cant handle serial mouse |
| 15:55.54 | CosmoDad | jm_: no it's impossible to enable DMA on mounted devices? |
| 15:55.54 | Sultrix | pathetic |
| 15:55.58 | Sultrix | this is so stupid |
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| 15:56.01 | abrotman | Sultrix: i used to have one |
| 15:56.05 | Sultrix | im gonna have to go buy a friggen ps/2 |
| 15:56.06 | petemc | Sultrix: you're pathetic |
| 15:56.07 | jm_ | CosmoDad: it doesn't matter if it's mounted or not |
| 15:56.11 | CosmoDad | jm_: ok |
| 15:56.17 | streuner_ | Sultrix: No, are you crazy? no problems as i said before. |
| 15:56.23 | mike____ | so, i unmuted the sound in amixer and am now using gnome-alsamixer and everything is turned way up and unmuted, and still no sound from the sound card - if i play a cd using cdplay it plays, of course, through the audio cable, but the card itself isn't spitting out any sound...anything else I can try besides unmuting? The modules all load fine. |
| 15:56.24 | Sultrix | Well why does it act all crappy in X when I know it doesn't on slackware/windows |
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| 15:57.02 | Zap-W | how do i load the freedos directory with dosemu |
| 15:57.25 | CosmoDad | mike____: what tool did you use to play audio through alsa? an alsa-app like aplay? |
| 15:57.36 | abrotman | ~crappy |
| 15:57.49 | mike____ | CosmoDad: i tried alsaplayer |
| 15:57.56 | mike____ | and mplayer -ao alsa |
| 15:58.02 | Sultrix | ARGH |
| 15:58.02 | CosmoDad | mike____: hm ok |
| 15:58.07 | Justin__ | !tell Sultrix about X problem |
| 15:58.18 | CosmoDad | mike____: out of curiosity, tried an mp3 on xmms with the alsa output device? |
| 15:58.21 | abrotman | is there more than one serial protocol? |
| 15:58.28 | abrotman | for X i mean |
| 15:58.31 | sandman | Are #debian chatlogs stored anywhere? |
| 15:58.47 | sandman | Are there official #debian chatlogs, automatically uploaded somewhere, I mean? |
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| 15:59.41 | hallux | Does anyone know crontab -e will never save changes? |
| 15:59.46 | InitMass | when will unstable adopt the 2.6 kernel? i mean when will it be possible to use 2.6 as an alternative when installing debian. i'm asking for a friend ;) |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | sid/unstable has 2.6 already |
| 16:00.19 | sandman | InitMass: Well, for installing no.. but I use 2.6 kernels from unstable.. |
| 16:00.35 | sandman | InitMass: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.0-test11, it's easy =) |
| 16:00.56 | Justin__ | sandman: thats a pretty stupid thing to say |
| 16:01.00 | Slant | Yeah. |
| 16:01.14 | Slant | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0 |
| 16:01.15 | Slant | or |
| 16:01.20 | Slant | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.0 |
| 16:01.23 | InitMass | sandman, my friend is not that good at compiling and such. is there a version where alot o modules come precompiled like it did when i installed stable with 2.4.18 bf something? |
| 16:01.27 | Slant | Hell, 2.6.1 might be in there. |
| 16:01.32 | Slant | But -test11? |
| 16:01.33 | sandman | InitMass: Justin__ Why? |
| 16:01.38 | Zap-W | anyone here run dosemu with freedos? |
| 16:01.40 | Slant | you be crazy. |
| 16:01.57 | Slant | InitMass: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0 |
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| 16:02.48 | sussudio | !qotd2 |
| 16:02.48 | dpkg | i guess qotd2 is <gnd> I'm probably missing some libs |
| 16:03.14 | sussudio | Justin__: sandman is pretty stupid |
| 16:03.22 | sandman | lol |
| 16:03.28 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 16:03.40 | sandman | You're telling compiling a kernel is stupid? |
| 16:03.52 | albania-fm | has anybody made a dvd with sid recently? |
| 16:03.52 | InitMass | Slant, once when i did like that it didn't work as easily as the 2.4.18bf... or does that image come with precompiled modules aswell? |
| 16:04.01 | Justin__ | !tell albania-fm about polls |
| 16:04.06 | sussudio | !hig albania-fm |
| 16:04.32 | Slant | Yes, it comes with pre-compiled modules. |
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| 16:04.59 | sandman | Justin__: Why is that a stupid thing to say, explain |
| 16:05.32 | Slant | sandman: Old version? |
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| 16:05.38 | nvz | sandman: its out dated |
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| 16:05.51 | nvz | sandman: why would you use a test kernel when the kernel was released |
| 16:06.09 | caphuso | sandman: well, let's begin with a question... do you really think that it is clever to tell someone to compile a kernel with known security holes in it? |
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| 16:06.36 | Sputnikc | is there a way to run dhclient from rc2.d? instead of /etc/network/interfaces. Or is there any other way to get my pcmcia nic recognized before the dhclient tries to obtain an ip adres? now i have to start it by hand. |
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| 16:06.47 | Kr0nd0r | I'm trying to compile nocatsplash and it tells me it can't find glib.. I've apt-get installed libglib2.0-0 and libglib1.2 I don't have a glib-config anywhere.. where can I get glib-config? |
| 16:07.05 | caphuso | Kr0nd0r: from the -dev package |
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| 16:07.11 | nvz | I have one of those old wise quotes... "a wise man once said nothing." |
| 16:07.23 | sandman | nvz: Well, it's what I'm using. WHy should I recommend using something I haven't used? |
| 16:07.29 | nvz | doesnt hurt to just observe sometimes |
| 16:07.35 | Kr0nd0r | caphuso: thanks a lot.. I'm very new to debian and am using it on a cobalt qube 2 so it gets confusing. |
| 16:07.40 | sussudio | Why does Laura Bush always gets on top? |
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| 16:07.41 | sandman | caphuso: Well, I dunno.. it's not an issue for me, as I'm not running a server. |
| 16:07.45 | caphuso | sandman: *sigh* |
| 16:07.51 | caphuso | sandman: i hate stupid people like you |
| 16:07.57 | caphuso | sandman: i really hate them |
| 16:08.06 | caphuso | "i don't need security because i'm clueless" |
| 16:08.18 | sussudio | !qotd2 |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | qotd2 is probably <Crazy__away>mordain : i have the logs... can i put in your private? |
| 16:08.31 | abrotman | sussudio: is that what keeps you up at ngiht .. worrying about laura bush? |
| 16:08.32 | albania-fm | nobody has a dvd with debian sid? |
| 16:08.43 | sussudio | abrotman: no, it's because Dubya can only fuck up |
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| 16:08.59 | abrotman | sussudio: thats wrong .. but funny |
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| 16:09.30 | Ofloo | How do i add a new hd to fstab ? |
| 16:09.39 | sussudio | Ofloo: yes |
| 16:09.45 | SlayerXP | Ofloo: most popel use a text editor |
| 16:09.47 | SlayerXP | people |
| 16:09.55 | caphuso | sandman: you're connecting to the internet and you also accept data from sources you can trust. that's enough to exploit security holes. and if your computer gets broken in, other people have to suffer from it. thank you for being a threat to the internet, good job. continue your excellent work |
| 16:09.56 | nvz | sandman: you should not recommend anything, as you dont know enought about it. be wise, and say nothing at all, you will learn stuff, takes time. When it comes to kernels, you have to compile them alot, read the /topic, and read changelogs before you are able to discuss them, not everyone has the same microcosmic views toward securtiy that you have |
| 16:09.59 | sussudio | the pope uses nano |
| 16:10.00 | RelDrgn | Ofloo: "man fstab". |
| 16:10.19 | Ofloo | SlayerXP: u mean i just add it ..? how do i format it then ? |
| 16:10.41 | Phobo | Why can I use command "mysqlshow" as user, but not as root? any ideer? |
| 16:10.48 | caphuso | sandman: err, s/can trust/can't trust/ |
| 16:10.56 | SlayerXP | Ofloo: 'man fstab' |
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| 16:11.03 | Phobo | ( nobody are awake in channel mysql ) |
| 16:11.19 | sussudio | Phobo: ask sgeigerbot about mysql |
| 16:11.23 | SlayerXP | Phobo: try asking in #teensex instead |
| 16:11.40 | Phobo | SlayerXP: what??? |
| 16:11.46 | Ofloo | also how do i know what dev it is example /dev/hda1 |
| 16:12.07 | sussudio | Ofloo: brains? |
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| 16:12.25 | downix | ok, gentoo's ticking me off. |
| 16:12.34 | Ofloo | sussudio: well never done this so .. i have no clue and i don't wana fuckup my system |
| 16:12.38 | Sultrix | not as much as debian is ticking me off |
| 16:12.39 | sussudio | !gentoo downix |
| 16:12.39 | sandman | I know the ops are very good at insulting people, but you also happen to be very wrong. |
| 16:12.44 | sandman | But, oh well. |
| 16:13.25 | downix | Hey, I'm here to discuss options to replacing gentoo with debian |
| 16:13.25 | sussudio | Ofloo: i think the chances of you fucking up your system are greater than average |
| 16:13.25 | sandman | I do understand your point, however. |
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| 16:13.26 | nvz | I flew unconcious once in a helo to the hospital, but that doesnt mean I can recommend flying upside down at 30,000ft on a hangglider over a middle-eastern no-fly zone |
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| 16:13.26 | Ofloo | sussudio: so before i fuck everything up and bothering u with that i am asking it now i checked google but didn't find anything on it only people with the same question but not been answerd |
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| 16:13.52 | SlayerXP | Ofloo: what part of the fstab man page has you confused? |
| 16:14.13 | nvz | doesnt make it a good idea even if I do recommend it |
| 16:14.13 | sussudio | Ofloo: primary ide controller master = hda, slave = hdb, secundary ide controller master = hdc, slave = hdd. primary partition is hdX1,2,3,4, logical partition is hdX5 and on. |
| 16:14.19 | greycat | Ofloo: "how do I format it?" -> man -k mkfs |
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| 16:14.54 | sussudio | Ofloo: sooo... the first logical partition on the secundary ide slave would be......? |
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| 16:14.58 | DIaN | lol |
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| 16:15.08 | Ofloo | sussudio: hda2 |
| 16:15.11 | sussudio | Ofloo: bitch |
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| 16:15.15 | Ofloo | ?? |
| 16:15.21 | sussudio | Ofloo: hdd5 |
| 16:15.29 | Ofloo | oh .. |
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| 16:15.47 | Ofloo | ima write ur txt down could come in handy |
| 16:15.53 | sussudio | ... |
| 16:16.13 | Ofloo | sussudio: so i just add it in fstab ?? |
| 16:16.20 | Ofloo | sussudio: how do i format it then ? |
| 16:16.28 | thoreauputic | Ofloo: have a look at the file itself - it isn't that complicated; try typing cat /etc/fstab |
| 16:16.30 | sussudio | Ofloo: i believe you were told to do man fstab several times before, also man mkfs |
| 16:16.43 | Ofloo | thoreauputic: i did |
| 16:16.54 | Ofloo | sussudio: i did do it |
| 16:17.26 | Ofloo | simonrvn: http ??? of the basic docs ?? |
| 16:17.35 | nvz | if your primary partitions are 1, 2, 3, and 4, then you dont have logical partitions, as one of them would have to be what MS calls an "extended partition" for logical paritions to exist |
| 16:17.44 | sussudio | simonrvn: see how i haven't started (much) cursing yet although Ofloo is very stupid? |
| 16:17.45 | simonrvn | you can use google, google for rutebook |
| 16:17.47 | thoreauputic | Ofloo: if you have to ask about /dev/hda and so on, further research is indicated |
| 16:17.53 | simonrvn | sussudio: heh |
| 16:17.56 | Zap-W | i thought dosemu in debian was already preconfigured to work with freedos , |
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| 16:18.33 | SlayerXP | Ofloo: I think you should consider the advantages of running Windows XP instead of linux. |
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| 16:18.44 | SlayerXP | or perhaps an iMac |
| 16:18.45 | Daky | hi here |
| 16:19.00 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: macosx. all those pretty buttons :P |
| 16:19.02 | thoreauputic | SlayerXP: be kind to the newbies |
| 16:19.05 | Daky | can someone help me with that apt problem ? |
| 16:19.07 | Daky | efb: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 16:19.07 | Daky | efb: Error occured while processing spawg (NewVersion1) |
| 16:19.08 | Daky | efb: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.oleane.net_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 16:19.08 | Daky | efb: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 16:19.23 | sussudio | thoreauputic: why? what have newbies ever done for us? |
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| 16:19.27 | Ofloo | sussudio: so how do i format the drive ?? not what format it is that i found in man but how to format like dos format c: |
| 16:19.53 | simonrvn | Daky: like the bot said, don't paste lines in here |
| 16:19.53 | sussudio | NONDENJU |
| 16:19.57 | thoreauputic | sussudio: do you remember being one? have you heard of sensitivity? |
| 16:19.58 | abrotman | this is gonna get ugly |
| 16:20.05 | abrotman | ~nondenju |
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| 16:20.11 | sussudio | thoreauputic: no and no |
| 16:20.13 | abrotman | whered apt go? |
| 16:20.15 | Daky | simonrvn: i get it, with the kick ;) |
| 16:20.29 | Daky | so, someone can help ? |
| 16:20.29 | simonrvn | @tell Daky about dynamic mmap |
| 16:20.30 | thoreauputic | sussudio: thought as much |
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| 16:20.52 | sussudio | thoreauputic: have you heard of the badger? |
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| 16:20.56 | Daky | simonrvn: what is dynamic mmap |
| 16:21.02 | Daky | plz |
| 16:21.08 | simonrvn | Daky: read the /msg the bot sent you |
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| 16:21.21 | thoreauputic | sussudio: no just the beaver in detox |
| 16:21.31 | Daky | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 16:21.31 | sussudio | Ofloo: mke2fs /dev/hdXY |
| 16:21.32 | simonrvn | beaver tails even |
| 16:21.50 | simonrvn | an ottawan will know what that is ;) |
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| 16:22.10 | sussudio | they don't sell underpants in Ottawa |
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| 16:22.19 | simonrvn | no, underwear |
| 16:22.30 | SlayerXP | owho thinks they know more about exim4 than I do? hands up. |
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| 16:22.51 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: i couldn't say. i don't know how much you know :) |
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| 16:23.08 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: well, if you can answer one question then you do :) |
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| 16:23.09 | sussudio | SlayerXP: what's exim4? |
| 16:23.21 | SlayerXP | sussudio: it's a type of fish |
| 16:23.25 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: shoot. maybe i can maybe i don't |
| 16:23.29 | sussudio | SlayerXP: halibut? |
| 16:23.32 | simonrvn | can't even |
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| 16:23.42 | simonrvn | sussudio: sole |
| 16:23.58 | Daky | simonrvn : things are ok now thanks and see ya ;) |
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| 16:24.06 | simonrvn | np |
| 16:24.15 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I have a box that is listed as the primary MX for certain domain(s). Based on the sent-to domain, I want to route incoming mail to an arbitrary host. |
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| 16:24.33 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: debian.s conf.d system is confusing me a little, I'm not sure of the best way to achieve it |
| 16:24.51 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: i don't use that, i have a monolithic conf file |
| 16:25.00 | SlayerXP | sussudio: it's a hithertoo unknown member of the pike family |
| 16:25.02 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: confuses me too |
| 16:25.22 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: well, based on a monolithic, how would you achieve the goal in question? |
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| 16:25.51 | simonrvn | a custom router sending any matching mails to that host. |
| 16:26.03 | Zap-W | i have both dosemu and freedos installed and after i type ENTER in the "Now type ENTER to start DOSEMU or <Ctrl>C to cancel\n" prompt nothing happens! |
| 16:26.05 | SlayerXP | mpre specifically.... :) |
| 16:26.07 | SlayerXP | more |
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| 16:26.33 | asg | SlayerXP: I'd use the queryprogram router if you can afford the overhead |
| 16:26.49 | Ekaterin | I'd be really grateful if any of the kernel experts on here could have a look at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1913 and tell me if there's any other information I need to add before that bug can be fixed. |
| 16:27.01 | SlayerXP | asg: I've not heard that term before |
| 16:27.13 | asg | SlayerXP: it uses an external program to decide routing for domains |
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| 16:27.22 | SlayerXP | asg: sounds overkill. |
| 16:27.24 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: well, say based on the sent-to, or doing relaying.. |
| 16:27.44 | asg | SlayerXP: can be; I guess it depends on what you need to do. |
| 16:27.51 | Ofloo | sussudio: if i read right then its hdb not hdd http://lists.debian.org/debian-italian/2002/debian-italian-200205/msg00610.html |
| 16:27.55 | gaspard | is there a file that contains the list of all installed packages? something like dpkg -l |
| 16:28.06 | simonrvn | gaspard: yes |
| 16:28.09 | Luke | need some help with changing x-server to my graphics card, can some1 help plz? |
| 16:28.23 | asg | SlayerXP: I use it on laptops to route to different smart hosts depending on which net I'm on. |
| 16:28.23 | simonrvn | @tell Luke about ask |
| 16:28.42 | sussudio | Ofloo: HDD KLOOTZAK |
| 16:28.52 | SlayerXP | silas-: on exim3 it was easy |
| 16:29.03 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: on exim3 it was easy |
| 16:29.16 | SlayerXP | relay_domains = lsearch;/etc/exim-relay |
| 16:29.26 | SlayerXP | then in exim-relay: |
| 16:29.40 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: exim4 they dropped directors |
| 16:29.51 | SlayerXP | domain.com: 1.2.3.4 byname |
| 16:29.53 | simonrvn | they "merged" with routers and transports |
| 16:29.55 | Ofloo | sussudio: hey rustig he |
| 16:30.19 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: should workd |
| 16:30.21 | simonrvn | -d |
| 16:30.45 | Ofloo | sussudio: ge hoeft me niet uit te maken he ge zegt dat ik moet lezen en als ik het doe dan noemde me klootzak |
| 16:30.47 | Zap-W | i have both dosemu and freedos installed and after i type ENTER in the "Now type ENTER to start DOSEMU or <Ctrl>C to cancel\n" prompt nothing happens |
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| 16:31.09 | sussudio | Ofloo: wees dan niet zo'n stomme kutbelg. |
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| 16:31.27 | Ofloo | sussudio: wees dan zo geen eigenwijze hollander |
| 16:31.41 | Steven_ | lets all speak english :) |
| 16:31.42 | Ofloo | sussudio: was gewoon aan het checken he ! |
| 16:31.43 | asg | sussudio: one of these days, you're going to pop a stack parsing that thing |
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| 16:32.09 | sussudio | asg: badger |
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| 16:32.15 | Luke | How do i change my graphics driver for x-server? complete linux n00b, plz help |
| 16:32.23 | asg | sussudio: mushroom |
| 16:32.23 | simonrvn | @tell Luke about ask |
| 16:32.33 | simonrvn | sussudio: broccoli salad |
| 16:32.36 | asg | sussudio: annoyingly addictive isn't it |
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| 16:33.15 | asg | sussudio: I decided not to buy any more rounds at the pub for the bastard that told me about that one. |
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| 16:33.34 | gaspard | simonrvn: heh, do you happen to know wich particular file? |
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| 16:34.05 | Arthemis | can someone tell me how do i configure spamd ( spamassassin) ? or maybe a link to a good doc ! |
| 16:34.07 | Zap-W | where does dosemu keep its logs |
| 16:34.22 | streuner_ | Luke: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:34.25 | simonrvn | gaspard: parse error for a sec. /var/lib/dpkg/status iirc |
| 16:34.38 | sussudio | asg: all your lager are belong to you |
| 16:34.58 | asg | sussudio: http://www.userfriendly.org/ (says it all really) |
| 16:34.59 | simonrvn | Zap-W: probably with the rest of them, in /var/log |
| 16:35.14 | Arthemis | or /var/log/dosemu/ |
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| 16:35.41 | Ekaterin | I've just attempted to report a kernel bug. Could someone who knows how this should be done please take a look at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1913 and let me know if there's any info I need to add? |
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| 16:35.59 | Zap-W | Arthemis : no |
| 16:36.01 | Zap-W | simonrvn : no |
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| 16:36.34 | simonrvn | Zap-W: did you at least look? |
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| 16:37.20 | Zap-W | simonrvn : Ofcourse |
| 16:37.32 | Arthemis | Zap-W > in your ~/. maybe |
| 16:38.15 | Zap-W | empty |
| 16:38.15 | Zap-W | sadjhf |
| 16:38.40 | simonrvn | bon apétit |
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| 16:38.52 | sussudio | bon UTF-8 |
| 16:38.57 | Zap-W | it's a pian |
| 16:39.08 | simonrvn | sussudio: bwahaha |
| 16:39.16 | Zap-W | grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directory |
| 16:39.19 | Zap-W | is this importent |
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| 16:42.08 | RobertMcNeil | :( |
| 16:42.11 | smcavoy | I need to be able to "zero out" logs on a server (when it's redeployed). Any reliable methods for doing this? |
| 16:42.20 | simonrvn | logrotate |
| 16:42.26 | ricky_clarkson | Has anyone seen Mike Hunt? |
| 16:42.43 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: nope. maybe you have though |
| 16:42.46 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: he went with Mike Rotch |
| 16:42.51 | ricky_clarkson | Heh. |
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| 16:43.20 | RobertMcNeil | can anyone help me? im trying to install KDE..and when i restart the computer, it gives me the GUI login prompt, but when i choose KDE it just gives me the default blue desktop screen, no kicker, no nothing, but when i use icewm everything is fine |
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| 16:43.50 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: have you seen my badger? |
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| 16:44.09 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio: I ate him with a nice portion of crab paste. |
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| 16:44.17 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
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| 16:44.54 | ricky_clarkson | Bastard, sussudio, that has sound! |
| 16:45.03 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: indeed it does |
| 16:45.18 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: no, but i'm sure he saw your beaver |
| 16:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | I miss that nice fhffhqvb fella. |
| 16:45.43 | ricky_clarkson | He was great. |
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| 16:45.46 | hacim | is there a search on backports.org? |
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| 16:45.58 | simonrvn | hacim: try going there and seeing if there is |
| 16:46.10 | hacim | simonrvn: I ask because I can't find one there ;) |
| 16:46.11 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: badgerbadgerbadger |
| 16:46.23 | simonrvn | hacim: well then there isn't one, or you missed it |
| 16:46.29 | sandman | Sid is Debian's latest distro, right? |
| 16:46.41 | sussudio | sandman: no, timmy. |
| 16:46.41 | simonrvn | #define 'latest' |
| 16:46.52 | sandman | Well, has the latest software. |
| 16:47.01 | sandman | in bin form. |
| 16:47.05 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 16:47.05 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:47.10 | simonrvn | no in .deb form :P |
| 16:47.11 | jome | hi, does anyone have a sources.list to upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 16:47.12 | ricky_clarkson | sandman: experimental, but you need to be mental for it. |
| 16:47.22 | sandman | ricky_clarkson: I see. |
| 16:47.28 | sandman | Well, why does Sid only have X4.2? |
| 16:47.35 | ricky_clarkson | Because 4.3 is unstable. |
| 16:47.36 | simonrvn | that's why it's called experimental |
| 16:47.39 | greycat | sandman: because xf4.3 isn't ready yet |
| 16:47.46 | ricky_clarkson | sandman: experimental has 4.3 |
| 16:47.49 | ricky_clarkson | I'm using that. |
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| 16:47.53 | streuner_ | jome: only unstable has 2.6 kernels |
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| 16:48.14 | Timbo | is there a convinient way to find out why apt is keeping packages back? |
| 16:48.15 | ricky_clarkson | Wowee, 600 packages to upgrade. |
| 16:48.21 | greycat | there is only *one* legitimate reason why anyone would need xf4.3 and that's because they're using the built-in video device on their i845 mobo |
| 16:48.29 | simonrvn | jome: www.kernel.org, and look for module-init-tools backport at www.apt-get.org or www.backports.org |
| 16:48.44 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: And those funky fancy translucent mouse pointers. |
| 16:48.44 | streuner_ | jome: if you want use it /msg dpkg woody->sid or you make you own kernel (/msg dpkg kp) |
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| 16:48.49 | jome | simonrvn: thanks |
| 16:49.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I... uh... don't want to know. |
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| 16:49.27 | sandman | greycat: Isn't ready? I compiled that one from source a while ago, and it ran like a dream.. hasn't crashed or done anything wrong, yet.. |
| 16:49.27 | streuner_ | jome: what version of debian do you use ATM? |
| 16:49.27 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Too late. |
| 16:49.27 | greycat | sandman: on 11 different architectures? |
| 16:49.27 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: that only work in kde... |
| 16:49.27 | Ekaterin | people.debian.org/~mmagallo/ used to have woody backports of X 4.3, but it's been down lately. |
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| 16:49.35 | sandman | greycat: I see. |
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| 16:49.40 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I noticed. |
| 16:49.43 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Why is that? |
| 16:49.53 | jome | streuner_: unstable |
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| 16:50.16 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: i suspect kde is seting up Xresources on its own, because it ignores my own ~/.Xresources |
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| 16:50.43 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Hmm, so if I find out what Xresources KDE is using, I can get translucent mouse pointers everywhere, you think? |
| 16:50.48 | mohit | How can I alter the refresh rate? I am using gdm/gnome |
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| 16:51.22 | sidr | hi |
| 16:51.32 | streuner_ | jome: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 showed you nothing? |
| 16:51.36 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: possibly (my thought exactly, too) |
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| 16:52.09 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: If I was American, I'd probably think that was ironic. As it is, I don't. So ner :) |
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| 16:52.39 | mohit | anyone? |
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| 16:53.04 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: que? |
| 16:53.09 | streuner_ | mohit: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:53.24 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: como? |
| 16:53.38 | simonrvn | bien |
| 16:53.41 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 16:54.51 | InitMass_ | if i want to make a basic installation and after the installation upgrade to unstable which is the best way to do it? |
| 16:54.53 | cam | for a router/firewall, which kernel would you use ? 2.4.23 or 2.6.1 ? (i need iptables support at least) |
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| 16:54.56 | baikonur | hi |
| 16:55.25 | streuner_ | InitMass: that sentence give no sence at all |
| 16:55.25 | simonrvn | cam: either. but see /topic about 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 16:55.37 | InitMass_ | cam, 2.4* |
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| 16:56.16 | streuner_ | InitMass: you want upgrade to unstable or you want make a basic-install? |
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| 16:56.35 | viper5539 | re hi |
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| 16:57.15 | the1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.21 | viper5539 | hi can anyone tell me the command with which i can edit users & groups |
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| 16:57.41 | InitMass_ | streuner_, first i want to make a basic install and then upgrade that one to unstable |
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| 16:57.52 | streuner_ | viper5539: man adduser, man groupadd |
| 16:57.59 | InitMass_ | viper5539, user* grp* |
| 16:58.07 | caphuso | viper5539: adduser, addgroup, deluser, usermod, vipw, vigr, ... |
| 16:58.30 | viper5539 | isn't there a tool or something where i can viel all users and asign them groups? |
| 16:58.36 | streuner_ | InitMass_: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 16:59.54 | baikonur | can someone recommend me a parition table for a 80GB hdd, basically it shall act as /home but 80GB should be to much and such a huge parition would be very slow, wouldn't it? |
| 17:00.19 | sussudio | baikonur: 01000011001001010000100100100100 |
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| 17:00.42 | Jordi_ | baikonur: I don't know about the speed part. |
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| 17:01.03 | greycat | sussudio: 01100010 01100001 01100100 01100111 01100101 01110010 00100001 00001010 |
| 17:01.04 | baikonur | sussudio: I expected something like that :-) |
| 17:01.04 | tarzeau | baikonur: i would use 4 x ext3 for linux, and one 2gb for Debian GNU/Hurd, with GRUB |
| 17:01.11 | sussudio | greycat: oh yeah. |
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| 17:02.28 | tarzeau | bob2: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ uptime 31 hours! |
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| 17:04.01 | disc0 | How do i unpack a deb (to change a line in the dependecies) and then repack it back into a deb? |
| 17:04.04 | caphuso | tarzeau: 413 Request Entity Too Large The server is refusing to process the request because it is larger than it is willing to process. |
| 17:04.26 | caphuso | disc0: that looks like a rather silly idea... what problem do you want to solve with that? |
| 17:04.38 | streuner_ | disc0: what package? |
| 17:04.44 | baikonur | tarzeau: so 20GB should be a reasonable partition size? what about the perfomance aspect? |
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| 17:04.57 | tarzeau | caphuso: where? it works for me |
| 17:04.59 | ChrisTheK | lo |
| 17:05.08 | tarzeau | caphuso: what exactly is the request? |
| 17:05.22 | caphuso | tarzeau: just "lynx http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/" |
| 17:05.32 | tarzeau | baikonur: make sure if you install the GNU/Hurd you need have partition < 2 GB! |
| 17:05.45 | ChrisTheK | hey has ne one used the HighPoint RocketRaid 1820 in Debian? |
| 17:05.52 | tarzeau | caphuso: true i get the same |
| 17:05.54 | disc0 | caphuso, the kde3.2b2 packages found here: http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian/ have a meta called kde-cvs-snapshot. However that has a dependency of an exact qt version it should be >= --- MoDax made me a package with just that change yesterday but I don't have access to it (or him/her now) so I wanted to do so myself. |
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| 17:05.59 | tarzeau | caphuso: i'll have a look at this, |
| 17:06.22 | dgrant | what's the default cvs directory for debian cvs package? |
| 17:06.26 | disc0 | streuner_, kde-cvs-snapshot |
| 17:06.44 | dgrant | nvz: try arson |
| 17:06.44 | nvz | no pun intended |
| 17:06.49 | caphuso | disc0: it's easier to not install the meta package |
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| 17:07.27 | disc0 | my other packages won't upgrade though. I had these same problems yesterday on another machine and that fixed it. |
| 17:07.38 | nvz | I am just going to boot windows an use Easy CD Creator and fix it later.. I just alias'd cdrdao to sudo /usr/bin/cdrdao since I cant run k3bsetup because I refuse to install a bunch of KDE crap |
| 17:07.57 | streuner_ | disc0: anyway, orth's beta packages KDE3.2 work well |
| 17:08.00 | nwo | is there a good computer science channel on the IRC? [specially linear programming, graph algorithms] |
| 17:08.15 | nvz | I reinstalled my debian system the other day for no apperent reason |
| 17:08.18 | disc0 | streuner_, afaik they haven't been updated in a long time. has he started again? |
| 17:08.27 | nvz | just to see if I remembered how I guess |
| 17:08.32 | dgrant | nvz: ?? what kde crap. don't sudo. just add sticky bit to cdrdao and cdrecord. and try arson instead |
| 17:08.46 | streuner_ | disc0: no, it didn't changed anything the last months |
| 17:08.54 | nvz | dgrant: sticky eh? whats wrong with sudo? |
| 17:08.55 | streuner_ | s/changed/change/ |
| 17:09.00 | disc0 | well then it's not 3.2b2 |
| 17:09.06 | nvz | dgrant: or are you just into the stickyness |
| 17:09.10 | disc0 | How can I change the dependency? |
| 17:09.18 | dgrant | nvz: i'm definitely into sticky bits |
| 17:09.28 | baikonur | ChrisTheK: I'm going to try to use HighPoint Rocket 133SB, maybe we can help each other |
| 17:09.43 | nvz | dgrant: when I try goto setup in the k3b complains that I dont have kdesu or some shit.. and kde control center |
| 17:09.50 | tarzeau | caphuso: do you have an idea what could be wrong? |
| 17:09.56 | tarzeau | caphuso: it works with other browsers |
| 17:09.56 | dgrant | nvz: heck, why not just to chmod 777 cdrecord. i don't see the big deal about securing a cdrw drive |
| 17:10.09 | dgrant | nvz: install kdeadmin or something like that |
| 17:10.19 | nvz | dgrant: thats not the point, if anyone can run an app as root they are root basicall |
| 17:10.27 | nvz | dgrant: I am sticking to sudo |
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| 17:10.37 | nvz | unless someone can give me a _good_ reason not to |
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| 17:10.53 | dgrant | nvz: to run kde, you need certain packages, and clearly you are missing a key package |
| 17:10.54 | nvz | I finally mastered sudo, I am going to use if for everything.. |
| 17:11.37 | nvz | dgrant: I dont want to run KDE, I just needed to burn a cd quickly, and was willing to give that application (without all its millions of bytes of extras) a try |
| 17:11.38 | dgrant | nvz: it's great for some things, but I don't see what the big deal about a cdrw drive is |
| 17:12.02 | nvz | dgrant: isnt really a big deal as long as its not giving up root access in the process |
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| 17:12.33 | harsha123 | hello #debian |
| 17:12.50 | tarzeau | caphuso: 18:12 <algernon> the warning you pasted means that someone send a http header that is larger than 2k |
| 17:12.50 | dgrant | nvz: i see. i didn't think k3b could do anything special. |
| 17:13.04 | caphuso | tarzeau: hmmm |
| 17:13.09 | dgrant | nvz: try arson, it's simpler but cna do burning on the fly |
| 17:13.15 | harsha123 | am looking for a channel in freenode.. that discusses CUPS( Unix Printing).any idea? |
| 17:13.18 | tarzeau | caphuso: i have the same problem with my lynx: ii lynx 2.8.4.1b-5 Text-mode WWW Browser |
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| 17:14.08 | nvz | dgrant: I'll try that too, but I am rebooting to windows for this operation, I will test out other burning apps later.. I have always used gcombust, not that pretty of an interface, but if you are too lazy to use cdrecord/cdrdao directly, it gets the job done |
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| 17:14.30 | caphuso | tarzeau: the index page on http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ is a CGI script, right? |
| 17:14.44 | poimen | hey all |
| 17:14.58 | poimen | can I install Knoppix and update from it to debian unstable |
| 17:14.58 | poimen | ? |
| 17:15.02 | tarzeau | caphuso: yes |
| 17:15.20 | streuner_ | tarzeau: where you got that from? |
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| 17:15.46 | pn0i | hey, i just installed debian...i did 'apt-get install x-window-system' and it's install xfree 4.1.0..which apt sources include 4.3.0? |
| 17:16.00 | caphuso | tarzeau: do your logs say anything interesting about the problem? |
| 17:16.16 | streuner_ | pn0i: look for an backport at apt-get.org |
| 17:16.28 | tarzeau | caphuso: only Jan 19 18:19:16 hurd thy[117]: Client 217.227.107.98 sent a request too large on 6. |
| 17:16.35 | tarzeau | streuner_: what where? |
| 17:16.44 | tarzeau | caphuso: the hostname? the box? the software? |
| 17:17.07 | streuner_ | tarzeau: where you got the cgi from? |
| 17:17.18 | streuner_ | tarzeau: perl cpan? |
| 17:17.26 | pn0i | ty |
| 17:17.30 | poimen | can I install Knoppix and update from it to debian unstable??? |
| 17:17.45 | tarzeau | streuner_: i wrote it myself |
| 17:17.48 | tarzeau | streuner_: i don't like perl |
| 17:17.57 | streuner_ | ugh |
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| 17:18.13 | tarzeau | streuner_, caphuso i don't think it's got anything todo with the cgi, it's a thy limit 4xx warning, let me restart with another option |
| 17:18.29 | tam | why does kde 3.1.5 not sport a konqueror with tabbed browsing? |
| 17:18.41 | ricky_clarkson | Because KDE sucks. |
| 17:19.04 | Rawplayer | whehe :D |
| 17:19.06 | tam | ricky_clarkson: you lose |
| 17:19.14 | sussudio | !win tampax |
| 17:19.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, tampax! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:19.22 | Rawplayer | !win Rawplayer |
| 17:19.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, Rawplayer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:19.28 | Rawplayer | gr8 |
| 17:19.31 | Justin__ | tam: because it does, and you don't even know how to use the feature you're whining is missing? |
| 17:19.31 | ricky_clarkson | ~start a world war |
| 17:19.34 | | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 17:19.37 | thoreauputic | poimen: try asking in #knoppix? |
| 17:19.44 | tam | Justin__: i do know how to use it. it isn't there |
| 17:19.44 | poimen | okk |
| 17:19.46 | tarzeau | caphuso: retry please |
| 17:19.46 | poimen | thanlx |
| 17:19.51 | tarzeau | caphuso: it works for me now |
| 17:20.12 | caphuso | tarzeau: excellent |
| 17:20.28 | Justin__ | tam: if you say so |
| 17:20.43 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: look in ~/.kde/kdeglobals then [KDE], under that you'll see ChangeCursor= i bet ChangeCursor= is set to true |
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| 17:21.05 | sandman | How much extra time does it take for a package to be made compatible with so many architectures as debian does? |
| 17:21.27 | sandman | If it can't even make into unstable until it's very compatible.. I dunno, that just seems difficult, timeconsuming.. |
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| 17:21.56 | Torne | Are there any EVMS-capable debian-installer images around anywhere (even if they're untested)? |
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| 17:22.33 | LoRez | sudo is munging my $PATH, but the manpage says it's not supposed to. anybody have any clues why this is happening? |
| 17:22.34 | tarzeau | sandman: alot time it takes |
| 17:22.36 | sussudio | Torne: badger? |
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| 17:22.54 | Torne | sussudio: what? |
| 17:23.00 | sussudio | Torne: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 17:23.15 | sandman | tarzeau: Why doesn't Debian split up into architecture-specific distros? Space limitations? |
| 17:23.49 | LoRez | sandman: that would rather defeat the purpose |
| 17:23.58 | simonrvn | sandman: i suggest you read up more instead of suggesting things out of ignorance |
| 17:24.01 | sandman | LoRez: You're right |
| 17:24.11 | tarzeau | sandman: buildd.debian.org look at the stats |
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| 17:24.21 | nvz | ok, I just did something incredibly stupid. I did mv File.exe File.zip on accident using tab completion as root like a fucking moron, trying to move some old dos/windows games to my windows partition from my backup drive.. does anyone know if I can safely part those two files or are they fucked? |
| 17:24.32 | caphuso | LoRez: debian's sudo is compiled with SECURE_PATH |
| 17:24.35 | sandman | simonrvn: Well, I was just noticing that X4.3 has been out for a very long time, and it hasn't made it's way into Sid yet.. you're right, sorry |
| 17:24.50 | LoRez | caphuso: F$&! |
| 17:24.52 | simonrvn | sandman: yes, and it's being worked on. np |
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| 17:25.21 | the1 | sandman: Debians portability is the #1 (freeness as in speech is the second) feature for me (I run it on mips 64-bit, hppa-risc, and intel x86) |
| 17:25.21 | LoRez | caphuso: any way to get around that w/o recompiling? |
| 17:25.35 | caphuso | LoRez: specify the full path to whatever you want to run |
| 17:25.36 | sandman | the1: Very cool. |
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| 17:25.58 | LoRez | caphuso: that works except when what I want to run calls its own stuff from the path |
| 17:26.15 | nvz | I dont even know what happened, but I am guessing it appended file.exe to the end of file.zip |
| 17:26.16 | greycat | nvz: if the windows partition is FAT, unmount it and try "undelete" in DOS/Windows |
| 17:26.29 | greycat | nvz: no, if you did "mv", then it deleted the target, and renamed the source. |
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| 17:26.54 | nvz | greycat: no they are still on the ext3 partition, as I tabcompleted a file Win~.zip when trying to move them to the windows mountpoint |
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| 17:27.19 | nvz | greycat: so the file.exe is now file.zip, and file.zip is gone? |
| 17:27.30 | greycat | nvz: it's been unlinked. Good luck. |
| 17:27.31 | zorkzzz | where its the sound modz.. ? /dev/... ? |
| 17:27.38 | caphuso | LoRez: then you need to recompile, AFAICT |
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| 17:27.58 | simonrvn | zorkzzz: no. /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 17:28.03 | nvz | greycat: heh, isnt ext3 easy to recover files? |
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| 17:28.21 | caphuso | nvz: no |
| 17:28.23 | zorkzzz | and the sound dev ? |
| 17:28.26 | zorkzzz | its on /dev .. ? |
| 17:28.31 | sandman | I'm trying to install a Debian/Gentoo system somehow.. I've been mostly successful, except I can't seem to properly tie down [/dev,/proc]; As in, somehow making the /dev fs Gentoo uses the same devfs Debian uses |
| 17:29.00 | nvz | caphuso: oh well, sucks to be me, I guess.. I overwritten the windows intertainment pack (has that rodents revenge game) with mortal combat then |
| 17:29.26 | caphuso | nvz: mortal combat 1? |
| 17:29.30 | simonrvn | zorkzzz: is this alsa or oss? or you're not going to tell us and keep us guessing? |
| 17:29.39 | nvz | caphuso: I am not sure really |
| 17:29.47 | baikonur | is it unimportant if the partition for GNU/Hurd is a logical or a primary partition? |
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| 17:30.16 | nvz | caphuso: why is ext3 apperently hard to recover but ext2 is not? do all journaling FS's just overwrite the unlinked files immediatly or something? |
| 17:30.25 | vrkhan | i can write c++ program in linux |
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| 17:30.32 | the1 | baikonur: I think it should be primary...also, It must be under 2 gig |
| 17:30.32 | vrkhan | sorry |
| 17:30.44 | simonrvn | vrkhan: good for you |
| 17:30.47 | vrkhan | how i can write C++ program in linux |
| 17:30.59 | caphuso | nvz: they don't keep track on deleted inodes, so the only way to recover is to dig into the mess with a disk editor |
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| 17:31.05 | simonrvn | vrkhan: by reading c++ docs, and an editor |
| 17:31.11 | the1 | vrkhan: vim and g++ |
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| 17:31.31 | vrkhan | g++ ? |
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| 17:31.48 | the1 | caphuso: debugfs? |
| 17:31.50 | caphuso | nvz: lde *might* help, but that's just a guess from my side, so don't count on it |
| 17:31.53 | smj | Hey folks. How do I find out whether my NIC is running at full duplex or not? I don't remember where in /proc to look. |
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| 17:32.09 | the1 | vrkhan: man g++, google g++, etc |
| 17:32.12 | cahoot | smj: run mii-tool |
| 17:32.32 | smj | cahoot: Thanks! |
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| 17:33.07 | nvz | caphuso: well I dont think I have the Packard Bell Master cd anymore I copied those WEP games from.. but I am sure I could find them online somwhere.. was just a small set of VB games for windows, nothing important.. I guess I learned an improtant lesson about tabcompleting as root |
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| 17:33.31 | smj | cahoot: Is that part of the mii-diag package? |
| 17:33.39 | vrkhan | how i can use it , and where i can get it |
| 17:33.40 | caphuso | nvz: not about pressing enter as root? ;-) |
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| 17:34.06 | justsomeguy | how come when I set a user's quota with quotatool/edquota, it doesn't show up when I type 'quota <username>'? |
| 17:34.19 | baikonur | does primary partitions bring along any advantages why I should create all the possible primary paritions first and then logical partitions? |
| 17:34.21 | Luke | streuner: thx for the help before :) |
| 17:34.28 | nvz | caphuso: man, when I tab complete, you had better know enter is following within 1ms or so |
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| 17:35.12 | nvz | caphuso: but yeah, I need one of those switches with a cover and danger signs in place of my enter key |
| 17:35.14 | Brutus | vrkhan, do you actually KNOW c++? |
| 17:35.17 | the1 | vrkhan: If you know c++, then you know what a compiler is...g++ is a compile...if you are in this channel, you should run debian, if you run debian, apt-get install g++ will install g++ |
| 17:35.22 | necrite_ | anyone make the evolution 1.4.5 package in testing ? |
| 17:35.29 | the1 | *compiler |
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| 17:35.35 | nvz | caphuso: have to activate it with a security code first |
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| 17:35.53 | smj | cahoot: Thanks! mii-diag worked great! |
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| 17:36.20 | caphuso | nvz: hehe |
| 17:36.51 | sandman | Okay.. I bound proc and dev, emerge sync is working.. then I'll emerge mirrorselect, bootstrap, emerge system.. after this is all said and done, how can I run stuff from within a chroot properly? |
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| 17:37.06 | sandman | Right now, if I chroot, then try to run X stuff, for example, it complains about not being able to open display. |
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| 17:37.17 | sandman | Do I have to run seperate X sessions for each chroot or something? |
| 17:37.33 | pn0i | what's the package name to install gnome desktop? |
| 17:37.40 | drspewfy | Hey, i got full my / parittion, yesterday i was installing openoffice, and some stuff, but i reboteed the system and I could enter to GNOMe, cuz / partition is full, i have 380 mg, and 100% is full!! :( |
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| 17:39.22 | Kr0nd0r | anyone use a cobalt qube 2 with lcdutils? mipsel port? |
| 17:39.28 | drspewfy | Hey, i got full my / parittion, yesterday i was installing openoffice, and some stuff, but i reboteed the system and I could enter to GNOMe, cuz / partition is full, i have 380 mg, and 100% is full!! :( |
| 17:39.32 | drspewfy | what could i do |
| 17:39.33 | sussudio | drspewfy: are you sure 380mg was enough prozac? |
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| 17:40.12 | sussudio | !tell drspewfy about repeating |
| 17:40.25 | Croepha | ' |
| 17:40.30 | sussudio | ~ |
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| 17:40.34 | Brutus | as far as i could understand, someone told vrkhan that 'running linux = being a programmer' :P |
| 17:40.54 | Croepha | what will happpen if i comment out the getty lines in my inittab??? |
| 17:41.00 | TravisBarker | i have VIA rhine NIC will i be ok for the net install? |
| 17:41.07 | justsomeguy | Brutus: that isn't true, you mean? |
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| 17:41.15 | Brutus | justsomeguy, :) |
| 17:41.16 | TravisBarker | is it in the .iso or what? |
| 17:41.35 | drspewfy | sussudio: yeah i had like 70% but , yesterday i installed some packages... and i got full the / partition, what could i delete ?? |
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| 17:42.14 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 17:43.17 | sussudio | eeyore-: hello badger |
| 17:43.25 | baikonur | how can I calcualte the formatted partition size out of the partition size? (ext3) |
| 17:43.34 | drspewfy | sussudio: what do u think could i delete, or could get full my partition ? |
| 17:43.46 | eeyore- | what are the advantages (URL?) of "mem=nopentium" option for athlons? |
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| 17:44.06 | sussudio | eeyore-: only applies if you have a crapvidia card |
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| 17:44.16 | drspewfy | ../usr, /home, /var, are ok, like half of the space.. just / that i left 380 mb |
| 17:44.17 | baikonur | eeyore-: hey, you were correct, the hdd was dead and I got a new one |
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| 17:44.23 | goonie | is it possible that apt-get redirects selection of files to a log file? |
| 17:44.24 | eeyore- | baikonur: :-D |
| 17:44.33 | eeyore- | sussudio: no, ati radeon 9700 pro :-D |
| 17:44.41 | nvz | oh well I am going to windows to burn this cd, I'll be back later |
| 17:44.43 | eeyore- | sussudio: the driver says i should use this option |
| 17:44.44 | greycat | goonie: it's possible, but it doesn't happen. |
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| 17:45.03 | eeyore- | sussudio: it's a nice card at decent price, not bleeding edge, won't break my bank |
| 17:45.06 | eeyore- | (account) |
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| 17:45.16 | greycat | !tell goonie about msg |
| 17:45.19 | pn0i | when i run 'gnome-session', i get gdk-warnings and gtk-warning |
| 17:45.32 | goonie | sorry |
| 17:45.32 | pn0i | and it 'cannot open display' |
| 17:45.43 | eeyore- | pn0i: welcome to gnome / gnu-linux programs. craploads of diagnostics. care to be more specific? |
| 17:45.48 | TravisBarker | how big do i need to make my debian partition if i plan to install basically "everything" |
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| 17:46.13 | eeyore- | pn0i: gnome-session is supposed to be started by your X startup script ... if you use gdm/kdm and choose "Gnome session" it should start gnome up for you |
| 17:46.20 | pn0i | Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library |
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| 17:46.39 | Croepha | i dont want my computer's monitor to be interactive, i dont want it to prompt for a login, instead i want it to display the IP for that computer... i want this becasue most of the time this computer will not have a monitor... and i want people to be able to know the IP with out loging in... how would i do this???? |
| 17:46.41 | eeyore- | pn0i: ignore it (locale) |
| 17:46.57 | eeyore- | pn0i: (or, generate the locale files) |
| 17:47.11 | pn0i | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: // SESSION_MANAGER=local/debian:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3486 |
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| 17:47.24 | thoreauputic | pn0i: try startx `which gnome-session` |
| 17:47.30 | pn0i | ok |
| 17:47.34 | eeyore- | pn0i: that (cannot open display) is probably because you try to type in "gnome-session" on a command line or something. |
| 17:48.03 | sussudio | eeyore-: i don't know why 'the driver' says to use mem=nopentium, since it's an nvidia bug. |
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| 17:48.52 | mwilson | grrr, stupid bash |
| 17:48.57 | pn0i | eeyore-: yeah, i did. what's that file so it loads gnome-session when i type 'startx'? |
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| 17:49.27 | eeyore- | sussudio: me either, the wordings (not in front of my computer right now) suggest i get better performance by disabling 4M pages. but, from hazy recollection, isn't linux vm based around 4M pages? |
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| 17:49.39 | mwilson | fscking $MAILPATH... |
| 17:49.44 | sussudio | eeyore-: *shrug* |
| 17:49.52 | eeyore- | mwilson: MAILPATH=/dev/null |
| 17:50.13 | akusarujin | howdy everyone, i am looking into buying a usb 2.0 flash drive for storing temporary things on and running back and forth inbetween a few of my machines.. but i'm not sure if the one i'm looking at is supported, etc, etc.. would any of them (usb 1.x or 2.0) work as usb mass storage devices right off the bat with everything configured properly, or would i have to buy a "supported" one? |
| 17:50.15 | thoreauputic | pn0i: you can put exec gnome-session in your ~/.xinitrc |
| 17:50.30 | pn0i | alright, i did that and it loaded |
| 17:50.32 | eeyore- | akusarujin: they pretty much work out of the box |
| 17:50.48 | eeyore- | akusarujin: don't spend too much money on one (don't get a 1GB one), since they all wear out anyway |
| 17:50.54 | akusarujin | eeyore-, thank you, as i didn't want to waste my money ;) |
| 17:51.00 | pn0i | unfortunately, it's gnome 1.4...so i'm gonna look for a 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 17:51.01 | baikonur | how can I calculate the formatted disk space of a hdd? |
| 17:51.06 | akusarujin | eeyore-, well, the one i'm loooking at is 128mb |
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| 17:51.28 | mwilson | eeyore-: I know how to stop it from checking. I *want* it to check, I just want a single line message no matter how many mbox-es it finds mail in. |
| 17:51.31 | akusarujin | eeyore-, what do you mean by "wear out"? hmm.. |
| 17:51.41 | mwilson | eeyore-: And I'm not sure bash can do it. |
| 17:51.48 | cahoot | akusarujin: look out for belkin - min's supposed to be usb-2 - kernel thinsk otherwise |
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| 17:52.12 | eeyore- | akusarujin: they're based on flash memory. flash memory by its nature is damaged slightly for each write |
| 17:52.19 | akusarujin | cahoot, i'm looking at a ``cd cyclone'' one |
| 17:52.28 | justsomeguy | cahoot: well, usb 1.1 is usb 2.0 compatible.... technically. |
| 17:52.29 | eeyore- | akusarujin: they are good for (guesstimate) 100,000 - 300,000 writes (per cell) |
| 17:52.47 | akusarujin | eeyore-, yeah, but it's life expectancy should exceed a year or two i'd hope? |
| 17:52.54 | cahoot | justsomeguy: oh - it works - but only at 1.0 speed |
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| 17:53.12 | grib | I needed a script to help me find out which recently-updated package broke another package, so I wrote one that prints all package deps recursively sorted by time installed. was there already some way to do that that I overlooked? |
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| 17:53.38 | DrBeaR | hi there, i just apt-get install ident |
| 17:53.48 | akusarujin | cahoot, what all modules did the kernel req. for you to use the drive? and did you need hotplug as well? |
| 17:53.50 | DrBeaR | i've tried to nmap myself and reboot as well |
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| 17:54.03 | DrBeaR | what did i miss to get nmap working? it's not commented out in /etc/services |
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| 17:54.23 | mwilson | What would reboting have to do anything? /etc/services doesn't have anything to do with whether a service is running or not. |
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| 17:54.32 | shepherd | how do I restart (get new /etc/networking/interfaces setings) any interface? (eth0) |
| 17:54.44 | ScatterBrain | where can I find a package list for 'unstable' |
| 17:54.53 | cahoot | akusarujin: scsi generic, scsi disk and usb-storage |
| 17:55.21 | DrBeaR | mwilson: i have no idea, i was bored.. how's that? :) |
| 17:55.27 | akusarujin | cahoot, cool, that's what i thought, just making sure :) |
| 17:55.36 | mwilson | DrBeaR: What, other than nothing, does ident have to do with making nmap do anything useful? |
| 17:55.38 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.38 | giwe | How do I use getopt in Perl to read an array like 0..10,20..25 |
| 17:55.43 | eeyore- | DrBeaR: /etc/services just (in many cases) provide textual labels for what is used where |
| 17:55.57 | DrBeaR | mwilson: well, i tried nmap to see whether ident is running, which it is not.. |
| 17:55.59 | eeyore- | DrBeaR: it could be used programmatically as in getservbyname |
| 17:56.24 | mwilson | DrBeaR: Uh, why would you do something stupid like using nmap, rather than just looking to see if the process was running? |
| 17:56.24 | DrBeaR | i'm sure i missed something really stupid... |
| 17:56.25 | sussudio | shepherd: ifdown interface, ifup interface |
| 17:56.47 | eeyore- | nmap is good for other reasons ... |
| 17:56.49 | mwilson | DrBeaR: Which identd did you install? There are many. |
| 17:56.59 | tam | so Justin__ how did you get tabbed browsing in kde 3.1.5 using deb SID? |
| 17:57.10 | caphuso | giwe: man Getopt:Std |
| 17:57.18 | Justin__ | tam: i got it like everyone else |
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| 17:57.40 | tam | Justin__: how is that (seriously)? i cannot see it the way i usually do it |
| 17:57.51 | DrBeaR | oh |
| 17:57.53 | DrBeaR | mwilson: i feel so stupid |
| 17:57.59 | DrBeaR | i know why it's not working |
| 17:58.08 | DrBeaR | i think i need another coffee... |
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| 17:58.20 | Brutus | DrBeaR, it's not working because you need coffee? |
| 17:58.22 | Justin__ | tam: what is the way you usually do it |
| 17:58.22 | DrBeaR | i typed apt-get install indent :) |
| 17:58.28 | xsdg | rofl |
| 17:58.29 | DrBeaR | duh :) |
| 17:58.39 | coolnewbie | i need to set my default runlevel to boot to console how do i do that |
| 17:58.47 | tam | Justin__: either file, new tab or so or ctrl shift n |
| 17:58.55 | giwe | caphuso: Okay, the problem is that I'm not able to read an array. scalars works fine. |
| 17:58.58 | caphuso | coolnewbie: you don't. do "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm login.app pdm" instead |
| 17:59.01 | DrBeaR | okay, i solved my own "problem" thanks... ;) |
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| 17:59.10 | mwilson | question... regarding MAILPATH. How to cause bash to provide a single line such as "You have mail." versus a line for each mailbox defined in MAILPATH? |
| 17:59.30 | mwilson | I'll be damned if I can find a way to make it NOT output multiple lines. |
| 17:59.35 | caphuso | giwe: perldoc -f split |
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| 17:59.49 | Justin__ | tam: try looking in the other menus |
| 17:59.53 | SlayerXP | oh dear, it's Ofloo |
| 18:00.08 | Ofloo | ? |
| 18:00.19 | Ofloo | i managed setting it up |
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| 18:00.27 | SlayerXP | woo, congrats. |
| 18:00.31 | Ofloo | conclusin u where wrong sussudio |
| 18:00.34 | giwe | caphuso: thanks I'll try it. |
| 18:00.40 | Ofloo | conclusion* |
| 18:00.41 | Justin__ | !+u |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 18:00.53 | sussudio | Ofloo: shut up you fucking retard |
| 18:00.59 | tam | Justin__: i see it, just not working :( |
| 18:01.10 | Ofloo | what u know stupid |
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| 18:01.24 | xsdg | Ofloo, sussudio: off the channel, please |
| 18:01.26 | sussudio | vieze stinkmongool |
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| 18:01.49 | Ofloo | jonge leer eerst eens fantsoendelijk support geven dan mag je eigenwijs zijn |
| 18:01.53 | Ofloo | leer u fouten toegeven |
| 18:02.00 | sussudio | xsdg: i was very very very patient with this imbecil, just ask simonrvn. there's a limit and he's reached it. |
| 18:02.02 | tam | bye Ofloo |
| 18:02.06 | tam | ~english |
| 18:02.09 | | well, english is more geographically spread than any other language |
| 18:02.18 | tam | so speak it |
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| 18:02.36 | roerich | he is from the netherlands or belgium :) |
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| 18:02.43 | Ofloo | well i told him that he should admit when he is wrong and not call people names when he makes a mestake |
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| 18:03.31 | sussudio | Ofloo: listen, you retard; i explained to you that the secundary slave is hdd, no matter how much you think it's hdb, it will never be. stop doing drugs you moron. |
| 18:03.37 | amphi | Ofloo: you must admit that 'stinkmongool' is a delightful term of abuse |
| 18:03.43 | Ofloo | and it isn't its hdb |
| 18:03.52 | sussudio | can someone kickban this moron? |
| 18:03.54 | sussudio | please? |
| 18:04.00 | amphi | Ofloo: it can't be |
| 18:04.10 | sandman | I think my /dev just got destroyed.. how to rebuild? |
| 18:04.10 | Ofloo | well it works .. |
| 18:04.20 | xsdg | Ofloo, sussudio: I think the discussion is over |
| 18:04.22 | chris` | sandman: man MAKEDEV |
| 18:04.23 | Ofloo | and i asked for prim slave |
| 18:04.24 | Ofloo | dude |
| 18:04.31 | Ofloo | not sec slave |
| 18:04.33 | amphi | Ofloo: unless yr BIOS flips the ide ids |
| 18:04.42 | sussudio | sandman: now what. |
| 18:04.44 | sandman | chris`: I did, and also readup about late kernels. They talk about how MAKEDEV is obsolete |
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| 18:04.52 | Ofloo | amphi prim slave != sec slave |
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| 18:05.07 | xsdg | Ofloo: ok... there was a misunderstanding then, it seems |
| 18:05.08 | The^Eagle | Is there a way to get a user chrooted to his home directory |
| 18:05.09 | The^Eagle | ? |
| 18:05.10 | amphi | Ofloo: yes, that's why they have different names |
| 18:05.21 | Ofloo | yes but when i asked about it |
| 18:05.26 | Ofloo | he called me names why is that |
| 18:05.33 | sussudio | xsdg: no there wasn't. i explained it perfectly. |
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| 18:06.00 | Ofloo | ok even if u xplained perfectly i asked u question cause maybe didn't understand well |
| 18:06.05 | Ofloo | so u started calling me names |
| 18:06.08 | bolly | what's a good linux 'microsoft exchange' equivelent? |
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| 18:06.25 | chris` | <sussudio> Ofloo: primary ide controller master = hda, slave = hdb, secundary ide controller master = hdc, slave = hdd. primary partition is hdX1,2,3,4, logical partition is hdX5 and on. |
| 18:06.27 | jp- | bolly, i think ximian offers something.. check their site |
| 18:06.43 | bolly | thanks jp-e |
| 18:06.45 | bolly | -e |
| 18:06.48 | sandman | Perhaps I should run MAKEDEV update in /dev? |
| 18:06.51 | chris` | He looks correct from my log's perspective, perhaps you need to learn the differences between "primary" and "secondary" Ofloo |
| 18:06.52 | jp- | np |
| 18:07.30 | The^Eagle | Does anyone know if it's possible to get a user chrooted to his home directory? |
| 18:07.36 | Ofloo | chris not saying he is wrong i asked how to setup a sec hd not |
| 18:07.47 | Ofloo | a second hd |
| 18:07.58 | sussudio | The^Eagle: yeah we heard you the first time. |
| 18:08.04 | hippie | sec hd != second hd? |
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| 18:08.15 | chris` | Ofloo: I just looked through everything you've said, you *never* mentioned primary or secondary |
| 18:08.17 | The^Eagle | sussudio sorry. |
| 18:08.18 | Ofloo | what is it then |
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| 18:08.25 | Ofloo | ok new hd |
| 18:08.30 | amphi | Ofloo: you're demented |
| 18:08.32 | mwilson | You're right... Ofloo is a moron. |
| 18:08.33 | sussudio | The^Eagle: what does that even mean? just do su root |
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| 18:08.57 | The^Eagle | sussudio i mean so that the user can't even browse any other files then his own? |
| 18:08.59 | Ofloo | i might be a moron but doesn't mean i am i that it gives u the right to call me names |
| 18:09.17 | mwilson | What makes you think anyone needs a "right" to call you anything at all? |
| 18:09.26 | Ofloo | i might be a moron but doesn't mean i am, and that doesn't gives u the right to call me names |
| 18:09.29 | mwilson | xsdg: Oh? |
| 18:09.30 | jp- | Ofloo, just ignore the exterme and elite and that reside in this channel |
| 18:09.39 | tomZet | Hi, I am confused as to printing in linux. gs, lpr, lprn, foomatic, cups, and much more. What is what and what do I need to print with my epson c84? |
| 18:09.45 | hippie | You might be, but it doesn't mean you are? MY HEAD A SPLODE. |
| 18:09.50 | Ofloo | elite that i still have to se |
| 18:09.52 | Ofloo | see |
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| 18:10.05 | xsdg | Ofloo: you would do well to drop this and move on |
| 18:10.10 | Justin__ | Ofloo: if you say stupid things, people will call you stupid. |
| 18:10.18 | Ofloo | so |
| 18:10.28 | Ofloo | its not that u don't know something that ur stupid |
| 18:10.35 | xsdg | Ofloo: so, it's working... move on to doing something else |
| 18:10.36 | bolly | choo cannot win teh elite, ever |
| 18:10.37 | Justin__ | !+u |
| 18:10.37 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 18:10.53 | mwilson | Ofloo: No, it's that you speak like a moron that makes you a moron. |
| 18:10.55 | Justin__ | !+ur |
| 18:10.55 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 18:10.59 | chris` | !+ne1 |
| 18:11.00 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 18:11.11 | justsomeguy | ur |
| 18:11.14 | xsdg | chris`: it's getting old |
| 18:11.27 | chris` | xsdg: I had never looked at that factoid, that's all |
| 18:11.30 | justsomeguy | Justin__: do I have to preface it with a + to get dpkg to respond? |
| 18:11.35 | xsdg | chris`: aah |
| 18:11.42 | xsdg | justsomeguy: /msg dpkg ur |
| 18:11.51 | Ofloo | xsdg: i wana move on but u don't let me ever time i do someone calls me a moron |
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| 18:12.00 | chris` | Ofloo: move on moron |
| 18:12.10 | Ofloo | fuck u chris` |
| 18:12.35 | Justin__ | !tell Ofloo about u |
| 18:12.46 | xsdg | Ofloo: the idea is to just be quiet until you need help again |
| 18:12.52 | xsdg | Justin__: 3 times is enough |
| 18:13.50 | pn0i | hey, i did 'apt-get install gnome-session'. it set up most of the packages but now it hangs at Setting up scrollkeeper |
| 18:13.56 | pn0i | what do i do? |
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| 18:14.46 | streuner | pn0i: interupt the process and start new |
| 18:15.10 | pn0i | alright |
| 18:15.41 | sandman | "Warning: Cannot open an initial console" |
| 18:16.06 | sandman | I think my /dev got destroyed.. ran MAKEDEV update in /dev after boot from a woody disk which I jigdo's recently.. |
| 18:16.09 | mwilson | grrr... I don't think there's a way to do this. |
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| 18:16.39 | sandman | MAKEDEV update apparently reads freom the kernel to determine which devnodes to make, so I'm not sure how to fix this one =/ |
| 18:16.57 | savi | got a question, how can i deny a specific group from executing a binary? |
| 18:16.57 | xsdg | mwilson: :o/ |
| 18:17.13 | xsdg | savi: chgrp badgroup binary; chmod g-x binary |
| 18:17.21 | xsdg | savi: exactly like you said :o) |
| 18:17.38 | mwilson | xsdg: You know something I don't? I'm all ears. |
| 18:17.48 | futant_ | i just did a apt-get dist-upgrade after about a month, and now i cant access my webpage and ftp site from computers on my lan. anyone know where i should look to fix the prob? |
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| 18:17.59 | alexskan | if a postfix server answers to a VRFY $NICK request with a ""252 $NICK". Is it misconfigurated? |
| 18:18.11 | zamolxes | i bought a texas instruments microLaser PowerPro/12 printer, knowing that it's a postscript printer. Don't know how to install/use it , being my first printer. ideeas? |
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| 18:18.28 | ToreSB | Hug... |
| 18:18.39 | savi | xsdg : so say for instance if i wanted the support group to not have access to /bin/bash, but every other groups permissions not be effected. |
| 18:18.43 | ToreSB | ~hug me |
| 18:18.53 | | ACTION hugs toresb |
| 18:18.53 | ToreSB | !hug me |
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| 18:19.00 | ToreSB | ^_^ |
| 18:19.03 | roerich | zamolxes: use cups and read www.linuxprinting.org |
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| 18:19.56 | paines | hi |
| 18:20.10 | xsdg | savi: hrm |
| 18:20.31 | xsdg | savi: you could chown /bin/bash to that group and set bash -x to group |
| 18:20.48 | xsdg | savi: what you want is leaning toward the use of ACLs, however |
| 18:21.00 | savi | thats what i was looking into , |
| 18:21.00 | sandman | I'll try MAKEDEV generic.. |
| 18:21.07 | savi | and acl based kernel patch |
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| 18:21.28 | savi | grsecurity ones looks nice. |
| 18:21.28 | xsdg | savi: you might look at GRSEC |
| 18:21.31 | sussudio | !hig ToreSB |
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| 18:21.33 | xsdg | yep :o) |
| 18:21.33 | savi | :) |
| 18:21.39 | savi | thanks xsdg |
| 18:21.44 | xsdg | np... good luck |
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| 18:21.49 | sandman | w00t! MAKEDEV generic saves teh day |
| 18:22.04 | savi | ive used grsec, i just thought there might be an easier way |
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| 18:22.22 | real | what was the deb line to apt-get install opera in debian sid? |
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| 18:22.34 | fusQuanto | i just did a apt-get dist-upgrade after about a month, and now i cant access my webpage and ftp site from computers on my lan. anyone know where i should look to fix the prob? |
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| 18:22.38 | the1 | real: apt-cache search opera |
| 18:23.02 | the1 | real: I think opera is non-free and might not be included anyways |
| 18:23.05 | roerich | fusQuanto: apache 1.x or 2.x? |
| 18:23.19 | fusQuanto | roerich: 1.x |
| 18:23.36 | roerich | can you see it from 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:23.48 | sandman | For some reason, if I bind a mountpoint to a dir, when I umount the mountpoint, the original fs appears to get real fscked up.. |
| 18:23.50 | mwilson | fusQuanto: You should be looking at the packages that changed, of course. |
| 18:23.58 | fusQuanto | mwilson: over a hundred :( |
| 18:24.04 | alexskan | if a postfix server answers to a VRFY $NICK request with a ""252 $NICK". Is it misconfigurated? |
| 18:24.10 | roerich | what he meant: use apt-listbugs |
| 18:24.21 | fusQuanto | mwilson: i checked /etc/hosts but its fine too |
| 18:24.36 | mwilson | fusQuanto: What would that have to do with it, other than nothing? |
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| 18:24.50 | roerich | fusQuanto: and httpd.conf? did you replace your old one or ? |
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| 18:25.28 | roerich | any kind of packet filtering sw on this machine? shorewall or something like that? |
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| 18:26.06 | shepherd | how do I reload /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 18:26.20 | fusQuanto | roerich: no it kept the old one, theres a simple dlink router that shares cablemodem b/w the two machines |
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| 18:26.33 | robson | Anyone who knows ange-ftp for emacs and any problems with the -n flag? |
| 18:26.48 | shepherd | I have som PHP problems with the newest sarge :( |
| 18:26.58 | roerich | shepherd: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:27.17 | roerich | fusQuanto: any errors in your apache logs? |
| 18:27.18 | sandman | Should I MAKEDEV update in /dev when I install a new kernel? |
| 18:27.20 | shepherd | roerich thaks |
| 18:27.33 | roerich | np |
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| 18:27.47 | fusQuanto | roerich: no it doesnt reach the apache logs |
| 18:27.48 | roerich | sandman: why? usually not |
| 18:28.01 | fusQuanto | roerich: something before it is stoppign it, i checked errors and access .log |
| 18:28.07 | sussudio | xsdg: Ofloo is trying to DoS me. |
| 18:28.16 | roerich | fusQuanto: can you reach any other netservices on that box? |
| 18:28.23 | fusQuanto | yah |
| 18:28.31 | fusQuanto | roerich: my winbox ssays this when i do a nslookup: |
| 18:28.40 | fusQuanto | *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1: Non-existent domain |
| 18:28.41 | fusQuanto | [12:27] <fusQ> *** Default servers are not available |
| 18:28.46 | fusQuanto | but then goes on to resolve it fine |
| 18:29.05 | roerich | do you have a local dns like bind? |
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| 18:29.20 | fusQuanto | no |
| 18:29.25 | fusQuanto | only my ISP's |
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| 18:29.28 | roerich | ok |
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| 18:29.46 | JOS654 | can someone query me his /etc/network/interfaces file plz? |
| 18:29.49 | roerich | and how does pc a know that pc b is called b with ip 192.168.0.1? |
| 18:30.02 | KoRn | hey what is this called imagesomething when you go to root and you do this import root image.jpg |
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| 18:30.07 | roerich | JOS654: read the fine manual...man interfaces has examples in it |
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| 18:30.19 | xsdg | KoRn: import -window root foo.png |
| 18:30.25 | xsdg | KoRn: it's part of imagemagick |
| 18:30.27 | KoRn | yeah but what is the program called? |
| 18:30.35 | JOS654 | thx i dont know that man exist |
| 18:30.35 | JOS654 | :P |
| 18:30.50 | jp- | KoRn, imagemagick |
| 18:31.06 | KoRn | thnx |
| 18:31.10 | jp- | np |
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| 18:31.28 | fusQuanto | roerich: my winbox is just set to autoobtain all IP's and dns info, etc |
| 18:31.58 | roerich | and the debian box? also dhcp enabled via dlink-router? |
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| 18:32.08 | fusQuanto | roerich: yes |
| 18:32.22 | real | if i use debian sid and i do apt-get install gnome ill get gnome 2.4 ¿? |
| 18:32.43 | roerich | real yes and learn how apt-cache show works |
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| 18:33.38 | fusQuanto | roerich: apache nor my ftp work, might it be the router? |
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| 18:34.55 | roerich | fusQuanto: maybe...I also have a dlink-router but I use static ip adresses and have a local bind9 set up |
| 18:35.21 | fusQuanto | roerich: i use static dhcp also on my dlink |
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| 18:35.40 | fusQuanto | hrm |
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| 18:36.39 | roerich | fusQuanto apparently I can't help you any further |
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| 18:36.51 | fusQuanto | k thx anyways |
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| 18:37.19 | pn0i | what version of alsa is in 2.6.0-2 kernel? |
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| 18:37.54 | streuner | pn0i: modinfo |
| 18:37.59 | tomZet | apt, tell real about gnome 2.4 |
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| 18:38.17 | cahoot | is the xserver started with a specified nice value in debian - if so where is it set? (using startx) |
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| 18:43.39 | protoloco | Hey im trying to free some space of "/" partition cuz, is full the 380 mb,, i was emerging some packages,, and i got it full that GNOME cant Load .!! |
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| 18:43.50 | fusQuanto | roerich: i fixed it! |
| 18:43.59 | protoloco | Hey im trying to free some space of "/" partition cuz, is full the 380 mb,, i was installing some packages,, and i got it full that GNOME cant Load .!! |
| 18:44.05 | fusQuanto | roerich: i had to add 192.168.0.171 to my windows hosts file |
| 18:44.05 | protoloco | Installing sorry |
| 18:44.06 | protoloco | heh |
| 18:44.17 | fusQuanto | [12:24] <fusQuanto> mwilson: i checked /etc/hosts but its fine too |
| 18:44.17 | fusQuanto | [12:24] <mwilson> fusQuanto: What would that have to do with it, other than nothing? |
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| 18:44.40 | xsdg | protoloco: is /usr on the root partition? |
| 18:44.48 | xsdg | protoloco: also, is /var/ on the root partition? |
| 18:44.59 | mwilson | fusQuanto: You didn't update the Windows machines, so no, it still doesn't have anything to do with it. |
| 18:45.25 | protoloco | xsdg: no man :P |
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| 18:45.41 | protoloco | i have separated partitions, /, /boot, /var, Home, /usr ... |
| 18:45.46 | xsdg | protoloco: try du -cshx /* |
| 18:45.46 | protoloco | do u mean that ? |
| 18:45.58 | protoloco | oks |
| 18:46.05 | everton | hi, please suggest the best printed debian book for a linux newbie |
| 18:46.12 | tomZet | Hi, does anyone know what could be blocking a login on my dlink dsl router? |
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| 18:46.27 | Ro0tSiEgE | everton: the Debian Bible |
| 18:46.29 | sussudio | everton: debian book? |
| 18:46.44 | protoloco | xsdg: says, that parameter doesnt work... |
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| 18:47.05 | roerich | tomZet: which model? |
| 18:47.11 | xsdg | protoloco: eh? |
| 18:47.11 | Ro0tSiEgE | everton: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764547100/qid=1074538009//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/103-1714577-4596650?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 18:47.43 | tomZet | roerich, the 604 |
| 18:47.52 | tomZet | roerich, nice nick btw :-) |
| 18:47.55 | roerich | tomZet: 1st time setup or is that thing set up for a longer period? |
| 18:48.00 | everton | Ro0tSiEgE thanks! |
| 18:48.07 | Ro0tSiEgE | everton: :) |
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| 18:48.21 | roerich | it's my ircnet nick but in germany we say "Namen sind schall und rauch" |
| 18:48.44 | tomZet | roerich, I have it for 3 months now. I can login to it when I have win running. But from debian not. |
| 18:48.53 | Ro0tSiEgE | roerich: you're saying that names don't mean anything? |
| 18:49.06 | protoloco | xsdg: the parameter of -cshx doesnt exist.. says |
| 18:49.07 | tomZet | roerich, I must have something configured wrong in debian |
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| 18:49.14 | sussudio | everton: i'm not sure what you expect from a book about Debian? |
| 18:49.24 | roerich | hm i have a dlink 624+ and can even login from my workstation here |
| 18:49.41 | xsdg | protoloco: x |
| 18:49.42 | xsdg | err |
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| 18:49.53 | netbrain | is it medival or medieval? |
| 18:49.53 | xsdg | protoloco: it should work, what's the exact command you're using? |
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| 18:50.18 | protoloco | du -cshx /* ? |
| 18:50.31 | protoloco | says invalid option |
| 18:50.34 | everton | sussudio a friend is asking for a debian book recommendation, and i haven't read one, so i'm asking for suggestions |
| 18:50.36 | roerich | tomZet: how is your network topology? router -> pc1/pc2/pc3...or how is it? |
| 18:50.40 | djw | does kernel: hde: sata_error = 0x00000000, watchdog = 0, siima |
| 18:50.42 | djw | ge_mmio_ide_dma_test_irq |
| 18:50.45 | protoloco | xsdg: ohh works! |
| 18:50.48 | protoloco | xsdg: sorry heh |
| 18:50.48 | djw | mean anything to anyone? |
| 18:50.49 | tomZet | roerich, it is really weared. It is really weared. I have internet connection with it but I can not log in. |
| 18:51.08 | djw | I get loads and loads of these messages, since I've started using my SATA |
| 18:51.17 | tomZet | roerich, I have 3 pc connected directly to the router |
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| 18:51.21 | roerich | tomZet: perhaps you use opera with ie browser-agent |
| 18:51.27 | djw | and also I get some lockup when trying to mount and run lsmod |
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| 18:52.02 | roerich | djw: which kernel do you use?know how 2 use reportbug? |
| 18:52.04 | tomZet | roerich, I just tried with mozilla. I get connection refused |
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| 18:52.19 | xsdg | protoloco: /win 15 |
| 18:52.22 | xsdg | err... sorry |
| 18:52.25 | djw | roerich: 2.6.0, I'm going to try 2.6.1 first, as the bug might of been fixed |
| 18:52.30 | roerich | tomZet: are you from germany? |
| 18:52.35 | tomZet | roerich, ja |
| 18:52.45 | roerich | tomZet: www.dl-router.de |
| 18:52.46 | djw | roerich: reportbug is just for debian packages isn't it |
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| 18:52.54 | roerich | yes |
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| 18:53.17 | roerich | djw: self-compiled kernel? bugs.odsl.org or so has a kernel bugtracking system |
| 18:53.20 | djw | roerich: I'm using the kernel source directly from kernel.org |
| 18:53.22 | tomZet | roerich, ah. I try find there a hint. thanx |
| 18:54.59 | tomZet | roerich, this is a really good page. lots of info. |
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| 18:56.11 | roerich | I know...had to search there myself last week |
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| 18:59.24 | cahoot | where is the nice value for the xserver set? (using startx) |
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| 19:00.04 | Gathond | -10 i think |
| 19:00.30 | cahoot | Gathond: yes but where is it set? if I use startx |
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| 19:01.07 | Gathond | cahoot: no idea :), but i dont think the startup method makes any difference |
| 19:01.28 | jetscreamer | i *think* you can add -nice tto the cmmand line not sure |
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| 19:01.56 | jetscreamer | man tartx |
| 19:01.59 | jetscreamer | startxt |
| 19:02.05 | impossible | hello |
| 19:02.07 | jetscreamer | tcan anybody tell my s sticks? |
| 19:02.24 | sussudio | jetscreamer: que? |
| 19:02.25 | Kr0nd0r | I thought it was a problem with Ts |
| 19:02.29 | impossible | I plan to use debian, I'd like some opinions please? |
| 19:02.38 | sussudio | impossible: why? |
| 19:02.38 | Kr0nd0r | impossible: just ask |
| 19:02.41 | jetscreamer | that'ts impossible |
| 19:02.45 | simonrvn | your t you mean :) |
| 19:02.51 | impossible | jetscreamer :D |
| 19:03.00 | CosmoDad | I'm using Woody and downloaded kernel kernel-source-2.4.24.deb from the Deb website, still 'apt-get upgrade' is bugging me with the newest 2.4.18. Shouldn't the installed .24 stop apt-get from doing that? |
| 19:03.09 | jetscreamer | really it's the t and the asdf |
| 19:03.10 | simonrvn | CosmoDad: no |
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| 19:03.15 | impossible | krondor and sussudio : knoppix is based off on knoppix, so if you install knoppix, you have debian, correct? |
| 19:03.17 | Kr0nd0r | simonrvn: no I like the idea of all Ts more actually |
| 19:03.27 | sussudio | !be knoppix barbie |
| 19:03.27 | dpkg | Knoppix runs on Debian so you have to give me support!!!!!!!!! Understanding the difference between a dist and a derivative is HARD! |
| 19:03.32 | CosmoDad | simonrvn: why's the .24 not "updating" my package tree? |
| 19:03.33 | sussudio | impossible: no. |
| 19:03.41 | Kr0nd0r | impossible: you have the knoppix fork of debian |
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| 19:03.47 | Kr0nd0r | impossible: just like mandrake is a fork of redhat |
| 19:03.49 | impossible | dpkg :D nobody ever told me |
| 19:03.49 | dpkg | impossible: wish i knew |
| 19:04.04 | nvz | impossible: dpkg is a blootbot |
| 19:04.14 | sussudio | !say no i'm not. nvz lies. |
| 19:04.15 | dpkg | no i'm not. nvz lies. |
| 19:04.22 | jetscreamer | imposible yes, but there are config differences, for insttance, inittab |
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| 19:04.36 | jetscreamer | tbestt to ask in #knoppix |
| 19:04.40 | impossible | I guess I'll del knoppix and gentoo and get debian, any opinions of its installation? |
| 19:04.59 | jetscreamer | my t is super sensititve and my is sub-sensitive |
| 19:05.01 | sussudio | !tell impossible about why debian |
| 19:05.17 | simonrvn | impossible: what you need is info, not opinions. /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:05.22 | jetscreamer | impossible you don't need to, just ap-get your way to debian |
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| 19:05.38 | impossible | ok I got it |
| 19:05.42 | joaquin | hey there ... has anyone compile successfully the nvnet drivers for the nForce NIC? |
| 19:05.44 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: note that your mysqld is not running anymore and has been replaces by DGD (Distributed GAMP Daemon) |
| 19:05.49 | Kr0nd0r | impossible: very hard, unintuitive, and not at all stable (course my opinion is heavily biased because of how I had to install it.. unless you're running a cobalt qube 2 your install will probably go much smoother). |
| 19:05.58 | greycat | 'afternoon |
| 19:06.08 | sussudio | euvening. |
| 19:06.09 | simonrvn | greycat: hi |
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| 19:06.10 | sgeigerbot | greycat: hi |
| 19:06.13 | impossible | krondor: what do you mean very hard, unintuitive and not at all stable? |
| 19:06.19 | impossible | you mean even if I get the stable version?> |
| 19:06.24 | jetscreamer | debian is so easy to install it's pathetic |
| 19:06.36 | jetscreamer | he said he had a difficult tbox i think |
| 19:06.37 | impossible | well I thought all os, except slacky, is easy to install |
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| 19:06.52 | simonrvn | impossible: uh, note what he said after |
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| 19:06.59 | sussudio | impossible: ever tried to install OS2 2.1? |
| 19:07.07 | impossible | yup |
| 19:07.14 | impossible | simonrvn: ... |
| 19:07.33 | sgeigerbot | In macosx, how does one make the CD drive open up? *knows this is easy* There is no disk in the drive now. (The appropriate channel is dead.) |
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| 19:07.39 | impossible | ssusudio: nope, it's tough too but I'm talking about linux, os is something else |
| 19:07.40 | krycek | how do i fix this: xlibs-pic: Depends: xlibs (= 4.2.1-15) but 4.3.0-0ds4 is to be installed |
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| 19:07.51 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: miniature lead pipe |
| 19:07.51 | impossible | sgeigerbot: /mnt (whatever cd drive) |
| 19:07.52 | Kr0nd0r | impossible: I meant if you tried to install debian on a cobalt qube 2 it would be very hard blah blah.. but since you've installed gentoo installing debian should be no problem at all |
| 19:07.55 | nvz | FreeBSD is a PITA IMO, the installer was a continuous loop, I could have been there for days trying to figure out where the last step of the installer was |
| 19:07.55 | joaquin | any experience with nForce in Debian? won't compile for me |
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| 19:08.19 | impossible | haha |
| 19:08.20 | sussudio | joaquin: what won't? |
| 19:08.22 | impossible | I get it |
| 19:08.28 | impossible | nForce should work in debby |
| 19:08.29 | joaquin | I get "structure has no member named 'driver data' on make |
| 19:08.35 | impossible | well I'll stick with knoppix |
| 19:08.38 | impossible | and modify it to my own os ;) |
| 19:08.47 | impossible | joaquin from where? |
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| 19:08.49 | run_apt | anyone know how much disk space is required to mirror stable, testing, unstable for i386 arch? It seems from the debian page that across all dist and with non-free its abut 9.1, but using anonftpsync, its quite a bit more... anyone know? |
| 19:09.04 | joaquin | impossible : from nvnet.c |
| 19:09.09 | sgeigerbot | impossible: I'm talking about OSX: <impossible> sgeigerbot: /mnt (whatever cd drive) |
| 19:09.11 | impossible | depends on how much package you need run_apt |
| 19:09.12 | sussudio | run_apt: about 45GB |
| 19:09.15 | joaquin | in function 'nvnet_remove' |
| 19:09.19 | simonrvn | run_apt: 9.1 what? |
| 19:09.21 | impossible | sgeiger: nvm |
| 19:09.32 | impossible | joaquin: sorry dunno then |
| 19:09.51 | joaquin | impossible: ok, thx anyway. :) |
| 19:09.52 | run_apt | sussudio: that much? |
| 19:10.06 | sussudio | run_apt: well, you do want to mirror 3 seperate dists. |
| 19:10.08 | run_apt | simonrvn: 9.1G, sorry |
| 19:10.16 | simonrvn | run_apt: much more than that |
| 19:10.32 | simonrvn | sussudio's right, about that much |
| 19:10.41 | nvz | woody alone is over 4gb |
| 19:10.49 | run_apt | sussudio: the only numbers i ever saw at http://www.debian.org/mirror/size is a released arch ranges from 4-8G |
| 19:10.58 | nk__ | do I have to configure my firewall somehow to accept telnet-connections? got the line in inetd.conf but it's not accepted |
| 19:10.58 | run_apt | sussudio: so why 45G? |
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| 19:11.32 | sussudio | run_apt: well, slack space, for one. and sarge will be bigger than stable, sid bigger than sarge...... |
| 19:11.43 | impossible | nk_- what firewall? if it's that hard, just use firestarter |
| 19:11.44 | run_apt | sussudio: the whole thing is only 80G... |
| 19:11.54 | run_apt | sussudio: so how is one arch more than 1/2 the total? |
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| 19:12.04 | nk__ | no, normally it's not that hard... :/ i just get telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 19:12.23 | nk__ | @ impossible |
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| 19:12.55 | impossible | well check the host you're connecting |
| 19:13.01 | impossible | to |
| 19:13.02 | ToreSB | "Ever been told that donuts are not a meal? Now you can beat them with a stick! (tm)" |
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| 19:13.19 | nk__ | oh sorry im possible... seems, that it just blocks the port of my eggdrop... normal telnet-login is possible |
| 19:13.21 | ToreSB | "Cutnuts, the new cutlet donut, from Spishak!" |
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| 19:13.30 | nvz | ToreSB: oh, its the only way to do it |
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| 19:13.39 | impossible | heh thought so |
| 19:13.39 | mrzippy | hi, i have a problem with the X. It reset for a problem that i don't know. But when i saw the log i saw that __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed ... I think that it was due to the kernel but i'm not sure. Anybody can help me plz? |
| 19:13.46 | nvz | ToreSB: problem is trying to get that last bite without choaking on the stick.. heh |
| 19:13.54 | ToreSB | nvz: :D |
| 19:14.15 | ToreSB | I'm like really hungry... But I'm so hungry, I don't have the energy to go out and make food... |
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| 19:14.35 | Vicious | ToreSB: death is bliss |
| 19:14.50 | ToreSB | Vicious: "connection reset by hunger" |
| 19:15.07 | Vicious | heh |
| 19:15.12 | ToreSB | Vicious: No thanks, I've vowed to restore an IBM mainframe before I perish. |
| 19:15.17 | impossible | lol |
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| 19:15.23 | Vicious | :) |
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| 19:16.05 | ToreSB | Vicious: No, really. I'm thinking about getting an ElecEngineering education and some 9-5 job and just buying a 7090 or something |
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| 19:16.19 | ToreSB | Vicious: I'm already working on a PDP-7 |
| 19:16.26 | sussudio | run_apt: note that i didn't take into account source packages, just binaries. |
| 19:16.40 | Vicious | pdp-7? |
| 19:16.57 | ToreSB | Vicious: 1965 minicomputer |
| 19:17.06 | ToreSB | Vicious: http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb |
| 19:17.07 | DeadManWalking | i just installed a new kernel and nvidia driver. The sound is working fine under mpg321 (inside and outside X), but the gxine and the games have no sound. Any clue whats wrong ? (the sound volume is ok on aumix, and mpg321 plays it loud and clear) |
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| 19:17.21 | Vicious | oooh, pictures :) |
| 19:17.39 | Runespoor | I'm doing a dual boot...and I' have hda1: Windows (bootable) hda2: boot (bootable) hda3: swap and hda4: root....and when I do 'write' it gives me More than one primary partition is marged bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. Toggle bootable flag of the current partition...What do I have to do to let it work? The Windows partion and the bootable partition both have to be bootable, right? |
| 19:18.11 | ljlane | Runespoor, nope |
| 19:18.18 | Gathond | Runespoor: you should only have one partition marked bootable, the one including your bootloader |
| 19:18.28 | Runespoor | ah okay, thanks (= |
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| 19:18.36 | mrzippy | hi, i have a problem with gnome. It reset for a problem.And when I saw the log i saw that __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed ... I think that it was due to the kernel. Anybody can help me plz? |
| 19:18.54 | Vicious | that whole thing is a minicomputer? |
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| 19:20.10 | impossible | Vicious: you idle here? |
| 19:20.31 | Vicious | impossible: yeah, sometimes |
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| 19:21.03 | impossible | Vicious: is that why you.... lol nvm can't think of a good joke |
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| 19:21.16 | ToreSB | Vicious: Yep |
| 19:21.16 | Vicious | ... |
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| 19:21.22 | impossible | :p |
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| 19:22.02 | Vicious | ToreSB: on the last pics, are those a bunch of transistors in one place? |
| 19:22.11 | shepherd | . |
| 19:22.13 | Vicious | no wait, capacitors |
| 19:22.35 | sussudio | no wait. RED. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! |
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| 19:23.09 | run_apt | sussudio: the last post in this thread http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=375 seems to indicate that you are horribly wrong. Am i being misleading somehow? This poster is mirroring stable and testing on 386 with 5.2 G. |
| 19:23.11 | limbeaux | is there a way to have apt get auto install dependencies? I ask because when I did an apt-cache unmet , it gives me a huge list |
| 19:23.22 | impossible | does anyone know a program for linux does lists ALL package removeable? |
| 19:23.24 | run_apt | sussudio: what am i missing here? |
| 19:23.31 | impossible | what I want to do is remove any package related to one another |
| 19:23.32 | impossible | . |
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| 19:23.48 | sussudio | run_apt: unstable? |
| 19:23.54 | caphuso | limbeaux: apt-get does auto install dependancies |
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| 19:24.09 | jp- | limbeaux, are they 'suggested' packages |
| 19:24.17 | mwilson | limbeaux: Uh, that's what apt-get does, by definition. |
| 19:24.22 | limbeaux | oh!! ok |
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| 19:24.41 | limbeaux | I am still trying to figure all of this stuff out. |
| 19:24.45 | igel | hi |
| 19:24.58 | caphuso | limbeaux: did you check how many of the listed packages you actually have installed? |
| 19:25.07 | mwilson | limbeaux: What is it that you expected 'apt-cache unment' to tell you that would be useful? There are endless packages in the available file that you won't have the dependencies installed for. |
| 19:25.15 | nvz | there is no fucking way woody_i386 and sarge_i386 will fit in 5gb.. like I said, Woody_i386 r0 took up 7 and 1/2 700MB cds.. thats about 5GB+ right there |
| 19:25.58 | limbeaux | I am having problems getting gnome to run. I amtrying to figure out what packages I am missing. |
| 19:26.16 | nvz | unless you mean only main, with no documentation, no non-free, no non-us, and no contrib, and I still dont think it'll happen |
| 19:26.23 | efb | hi, i'm trying to understand how cvs servers work. I want to create a cvs server, and have many projects inside it. Should i create one repository, and put all projects inside this repository, or should i create one repository for each porject? |
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| 19:26.53 | mwilson | limbeaux: What makes you think you are missing any packages at all? If you had missing dependencies, you wouldn't have been able to install the package in the first place, unless you were stupid enough to force it. |
| 19:27.08 | limbeaux | when I do a startx, all I get is the gnome 2.4 splash screen, then it goes to a blue background. no menus or anything else. |
| 19:27.08 | SplasWORK | is the debian port to amd64 ready for use? |
| 19:27.28 | nvz | limbeaux: does the middle click popup a root menu? |
| 19:27.31 | loudspeaker | What am I doing wrong in aptitude? I'm selecting the packages I want removed and then it won't remove them. |
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| 19:27.50 | nvz | loudspeaker: did you hit 'g' twice? |
| 19:28.00 | jp- | limbeaux, when you install gnome, what did you actualy specify to install? |
| 19:28.13 | loudspeaker | nvz, Hmm. Only once. I'll try that. |
| 19:28.19 | jp- | limbeaux, you may want to try apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 19:28.45 | loudspeaker | nvz, Still didn't work |
| 19:28.54 | nvz | loudspeaker: you could also install sudo, gnome-sudo and synaptic if you would possibly do better with a graphical package manager |
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| 19:29.09 | jvh | I'm trying to install Debian but i get the "no screens found error" I tryed reconfigure 10 times, but nothing helpes. Could someone please help me ? |
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| 19:29.49 | loudspeaker | nvz, Thats the problem. For some reason KDE fails when it tries to initialize the mouse. I was trying to uninstall that and just use Gnome |
| 19:29.59 | nvz | jvh: is No Screens Found the only error? or is it say "Screens Found, but none have a usable configuration" then say "(EE) No screens found."? |
| 19:30.18 | limbeaux | i will have to try the middle click, I told it to do gnome-sessions and a few other things. someone did a !install gnome here and I followed the instructions as best I could. |
| 19:30.30 | loudspeaker | jvh, What type of video card do you have? |
| 19:30.32 | jvh | nvz - Yeah some found but no configuration thats right |
| 19:30.46 | nvz | limbeaux: if the middle click popsup the sawfish menu, then you must not have nautilus or gnome-panel installed |
| 19:30.47 | jp- | limbeaux, install gnome-desktop-environment, that should take care of what you're missing |
| 19:30.51 | jvh | loudspeaker - i have an Asus Geforce 2 GTS 32MB |
| 19:30.59 | aliquis | if i specify an alternate (linux) kernel in lilo and i specify another root, should i set the image-parameter relative to that root, or relative to the root that contains lilo.conf? |
| 19:31.02 | xai | how can I search for all bugs in unstable? |
| 19:31.14 | impossible | xai: ... search for it one by one |
| 19:31.25 | limbeaux | ok. thanks for the help |
| 19:31.27 | nvz | jvh: that means usually that your monitor's sync ranges need to be correctly specified, as it cannot calculate screens for the possible configurations you specified |
| 19:31.28 | impossible | xai: in all of the application |
| 19:31.36 | loudspeaker | jvh, cd into /var/log/ |
| 19:31.53 | run_apt | sussudio: i gaurentee unstable is less than 40G for i386. |
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| 19:32.08 | loudspeaker | jvh, then "nano" XFree86.0.log Search down through that and see what "errors" show up. |
| 19:32.11 | run_apt | sussudio: maybe the poster there is wrong. |
| 19:32.11 | nvz | jvh: if you install a text based web browser like lynx, links, elinks, or w3c, I can give you a link with monitor sync ranges |
| 19:32.16 | run_apt | sussudio: i'm going to go try it out. |
| 19:32.22 | xai | impossible: im looking for all critical bugs in unstable.. not in a single package. |
| 19:32.24 | jvh | nvz - is it where i choose resolution or coulor dept ? |
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| 19:33.03 | jvh | nvz - Just give me the link please, im on my Windows-machine right now |
| 19:33.04 | nvz | jvh: I am not sure if its before or after, but it configures the monitor, you need to choose "Advanced" and enter the sync ranges for your monitor |
| 19:33.04 | fenux | hi, is there anyone who knwo why i don't get a dhcp lease after i configured etho:1 in interfaces and know a solution |
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| 19:33.37 | jvh | loudspeaker - thx i'll try that |
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| 19:33.49 | loudspeaker | nvz, Is there a place I can select gnome as my xwindows system, instead of KDE? Somewhere in the config file? |
| 19:33.56 | elturcin | Any way to install KDE on sarge ? |
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| 19:34.05 | cahoot | fenux: sure you don't mean eth0:1 |
| 19:34.06 | nvz | jvh: could also be not enough resolutions were selected, because based on your videocards capabilities and ram, and the monitors sync and reftesh rates it calculates what are called "screens" which are precice configurations that you can use |
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| 19:34.19 | elturcin | says it's broken |
| 19:34.23 | fenux | yes i do |
| 19:34.24 | loudspeaker | jvh, Your not the only one with X problems. =P I've been fighting mine for the last few days as well. |
| 19:34.33 | isaac_ | is there a way to compile some package from a source tarball without having to --force a bunch of other packages (like those that depend on it)? |
| 19:34.40 | nvz | loudspeaker: depends on how you start X, with startx? kdm? ..etc |
| 19:35.08 | loudspeaker | nvz, Yeah, I just use the command |
| 19:35.16 | fenux | cahoot: and i can't try to bring down the alias either because that would kill my connection :\ |
| 19:35.38 | nvz | jvh: http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 19:35.48 | jvh | nvz - i dont understand much of what your saying, im new on linux |
| 19:35.53 | fenux | cahoot: i could set a reboot, and then bring down the alia, but that would be a last resort |
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| 19:37.11 | jvh | loudspeaker - first i tryed Mandrake and thought: 'wow this is pretty easy' Then i tryed Debian and then i changed my mind :-) |
| 19:37.22 | nvz | jvh: what I am saying is that any OS that uses Graphics, has to calculate exactly how the screen will be displayed.. windows has a monitor database built-in and can detect PnP monitors, or use safe defaults, debian can do this as well, but the defaults obviously didnt work, and you dont have a PnP monitor detection program setup.. so you might as well just specify the values directly and all should go fine |
| 19:38.05 | nvz | dpkg sync |
| 19:38.05 | dpkg | nvz: I give up, what is it? |
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| 19:38.18 | jvh | nvz - OK.. im not quite sure where i should insert the sync values but i'll try :-) |
| 19:38.36 | nvz | dpkg sync is <reply> for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 19:38.36 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 19:38.50 | loudspeaker | jvh, Mandrake is alright. I think they try to curtail to all the Windows users who want a change. I looked over the differing reviews and a lot of ppl said Debian was a butt to install sometimes, but that it was great after that. I'm inclined to believe. =) |
| 19:38.58 | nvz | jvh: ok listen.. |
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| 19:39.46 | uli | hi! |
| 19:40.15 | nvz | jvh: as root, you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' answer NO to the framebuffer question, then when it asks about the monitor, choose "Advanced" and it will ask you for the Vertical Refresh Rate and the Horizontal Sync Rage, you enter these from that link I gave you (hopefully your monitor was on the list) |
| 19:40.26 | jvh | loudspeaker - i was told to try debian because i was told that it was the most used and the package system was the best and the best to get help online with |
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| 19:40.33 | isaac_ | nvz: or XFree86 -configure :D |
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| 19:41.03 | cgumm | I installed a package wit apt-get, now I want to remove that package and all files relating to that package. I want to get to a state before the package was installed |
| 19:41.04 | nvz | jvh: thats true, but it also has a higher learning curve.. requires some interest and patience |
| 19:41.17 | loudspeaker | jvh, From my little experience with apt-get, it is one of the coolest proggies ever. And online support thus far has been great |
| 19:41.37 | loudspeaker | nvz, Patience... I hear you there. =P |
| 19:41.56 | paulswm | cgumm: did it install any dependent packages also? |
| 19:42.01 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
| 19:42.02 | jvh | nvz - ill try that thanks alot |
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| 19:42.03 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 19:42.05 | nvz | isaac_: bah.. there are dozens of ways to configure X, the only two I approve of are debconf (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) and editing the file manually |
| 19:42.17 | cgumm | yes it did |
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| 19:42.53 | paulswm | cgumm: then like jetscreamer said, apt-get remove --purge for each package |
| 19:42.57 | jvh | loudspeaker - yeah online help has been great so far for me aswell... Could use some channels like this on danish tough :-) hehe |
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| 19:43.18 | cheddar | Does xargs have an autoquote mode? I've read the man page. |
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| 19:43.20 | nvz | dpkg danish? |
| 19:43.20 | dpkg | danish is, like, better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, or a damn fine pastry |
| 19:43.24 | jvh | nvz - i have the intrest and i want to learn from scratch so Debian is the way |
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| 19:43.36 | isaac_ | nvz: -configure has worked well for me (at least to get a basic setup which needs fine tuning) |
| 19:43.42 | loudspeaker | jvh, danish tough? Never heard of it. |
| 19:43.46 | mil-dude | um, does anyone know if the badram patch made it into the kernel, or into debian? |
| 19:43.50 | jvh | nvz - Im from Denmark :-) |
| 19:43.52 | squalliz | dpkg sid |
| 19:43.52 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, as it can break horribly, and probably will sometime while you're using it. Ask me about sid faq |
| 19:43.58 | jvh | nvz - in Denmark we speak Danish |
| 19:44.15 | sussudio | jvh: rokroh med flode |
| 19:44.24 | jvh | loudspeaker - Would you like and example ? |
| 19:44.25 | jetscreamer | deja vu! |
| 19:44.32 | loudspeaker | jvh, Absolutely. |
| 19:44.33 | squalliz | matrix? |
| 19:44.35 | squalliz | .. |
| 19:44.39 | jvh | sussudio> - you mean : Rødgrød med fløde ? |
| 19:44.44 | mwilson | zsh source has some cool comments... |
| 19:44.45 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.46 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.52 | nvz | jvh: na learning from scratch is more like lfs, slackware, or gentoo or something, but thats silly kids stuff, real intelligent people dont over complicate things, times have changed, debian has emerged |
| 19:44.57 | smj | Greetings folks. I have an RTL-8139 card on my server. When I run mii-diag it shows up as begin 10Mbps/half-duplex, no autonegotiation. When I check the Cisco switch it is connected to, the switch says the port is set to 100 Mbps Full Duplex. Is mii-diag broken? |
| 19:45.06 | jetscreamer | no. how did you know i've been watching the matrix 1&2 over and over for the past 3 days... omfg yu're an agent! |
| 19:45.09 | jvh | loudspeaker - I Danmark snakker vi sådan her, så det ville være nemmere med en IRC kanal på dansk |
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| 19:45.43 | paulswm | mwilson: in the style of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" judging by the example you gave |
| 19:45.43 | jvh | nvz - i hear you, i stick with Debian, this i MUST learn :-) |
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| 19:46.01 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 19:46.08 | loudspeaker | jvh, R i g h t. Well that of course means that ... Debian is the coolest. And ... that you've had great success with it. :P |
| 19:46.09 | Gathond | s/"/#/ |
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| 19:46.40 | galois | anyone know of any good resources on 54g on linux? |
| 19:46.48 | jvh | loudspeaker - i said: In denmark we talk like this so it would be easier with a IRC channel in danish |
| 19:47.03 | loudspeaker | jvh, I was close .. =P |
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| 19:47.24 | jvh | Gathond - Thx alot :-) |
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| 19:48.09 | jvh | loudspeaker - Yeah you were. But as long as i speak both danish and english rather good i'll be alright |
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| 19:48.33 | cahoot | Gathond: found it - the nice value is set in Xwrapper.config |
| 19:48.35 | xai | I'm looking to upgrade some Sid workstations. Is there a way to see what the status of unstable is before i do this? I could not find a way to do a generic sedarch on the buglist. |
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| 19:48.45 | frealek | people hi :) |
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| 19:49.05 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yeah, I couldn't tell you spoke anything but English. Wish the US would get off their butts and actually TEACH foriegn lang courses in school. What I had was a joke |
| 19:49.07 | jetscreamer | atm id rox |
| 19:49.09 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 19:49.12 | paulswm | jvh: "speak both danish and english rather well", not "rather good" :> |
| 19:49.16 | jetscreamer | yesterday it didn't |
| 19:49.29 | jetscreamer | but itt tusualy does |
| 19:49.58 | jvh | paulswm - Dont pick at the new guy from denmark |
| 19:49.58 | lord_rob | xai: check the debian channel. when there is a serious problem in sid, it's written in /topic or /msg apt news |
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| 19:50.11 | paulswm | jvh: j/k :) |
| 19:50.25 | jvh | paulswm - :-) |
| 19:50.38 | mama_pitufo | I'm trying to install sarge on a Dell I8600 laptop. I don't have a floppy on that machine, the installer (d-i beta2) freezes while trying to install the "linux floppy" module. anyone knows about a workaround? |
| 19:50.45 | jvh | loudspeaker - i can teach you danish |
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| 19:50.58 | xai | lord_rob: /msg apt news gives nothing.. -apt- No news for #debian. |
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| 19:51.36 | roerich | mama_pitufo: perhaps there is a d-i chan on freenode.net where you get better help |
| 19:51.40 | isaac_ | xai: in your case, that's probably a good thing |
| 19:51.55 | loudspeaker | jvh, Something tells me that would take awhile. =P I'm a highly visual learner. Not good with just text |
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| 19:52.06 | lord_rob | xai: no news == no serious problem in sid usually |
| 19:52.19 | xai | isaac_: ok, I'm willing to read any doc that is relevant.. Ok.. Thanks.. lord_rob.. |
| 19:52.30 | cerebrum86 | I have an old distro (if 2.1 is old...) and 2.6, but which is better to experiment with on a 486/66? |
| 19:52.36 | jvh | loudspeaker - apart from chinese i think danish is one of the hardest languages to learn |
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| 19:53.31 | frealek | I'm doing a helloworld-like module, and I got this "/usr/include/asm/mpspec.h:6:25: mach_mpspec.h: No such file or directory" and a buncha "/usr/include/asm/mpspec.h:8: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function)" ( also mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory) thx for hints... (I'm #including kernel module init mm slab string crypto highmem) |
| 19:53.35 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yeah, I don't know much about danish, but chinese is pretty difficult. 20,000 chars and all. How the heck are you suppose to remember all those? |
| 19:53.46 | paulswm | jvh: you should try welsh |
| 19:53.56 | cerebrum86 | I have an old distro (if 2.1 is old...) and 2.6, but which is better to experiment with on a 486/66? |
| 19:54.03 | jvh | paulswm - where do they speak welsh ? |
| 19:54.09 | Ro0tSiEgE | jvh: wales |
| 19:54.09 | amino_ | heh |
| 19:54.10 | frealek | (I suspect a missing package, or broken dep, I'm using sarge) |
| 19:54.11 | paulswm | jvh: Wales |
| 19:54.13 | galois | jvh: wales? |
| 19:54.16 | cerebrum86 | loudspeaker: you just do |
| 19:54.21 | cerebrum86 | jvh: wales |
| 19:54.31 | amino_ | jvh: wales, everyone knows that |
| 19:54.41 | loudspeaker | cerebrum86, You know Chinese? |
| 19:54.49 | jvh | amino_ - apparently not EVERYBODY huh ? |
| 19:54.54 | cerebrum86 | wow. most hilarious thing i've seen in weeks. |
| 19:54.55 | jvh | :-) |
| 19:54.57 | amino_ | well apparently :-/ |
| 19:55.38 | jvh | loudspeaker - Ok but if you need something translated from english to danish i'm your man ! |
| 19:55.43 | cerebrum86 | loudspeaker: uh... |
| 19:55.43 | cerebrum86 | no |
| 19:55.44 | paulswm | jvh: actually, Wales and there is a native Patagoinian tribe which speaks welsh, and Breton is AFAIK similar to Welsh also |
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| 19:56.14 | jvh | paulswm - i thought they spoke english there as well.. |
| 19:56.19 | lord_rob | cerebrum86: you are using a kernel 2.1 ? |
| 19:56.28 | paulswm | jvh: yes, you are correct |
| 19:56.30 | mjones | has anyone here ever burned their own deb cd and installed from them I can't get it to work at all and have been through all the install guides |
| 19:56.36 | frealek | 2.1 ? funny |
| 19:56.47 | cerebrum86 | I've got german covered. |
| 19:56.56 | loudspeaker | jvh, =) Sweet. I need to learn, "You are the most beutiful woman in the world. Come home with me." |
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| 19:57.10 | cerebrum86 | lord_rob: no |
| 19:57.10 | cerebrum86 | i have 2.1 and 2.6 |
| 19:57.14 | mwilson | lessee... bash zsh tcsh csh pdksh ... what other ones are there to look at? |
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| 19:57.18 | cerebrum86 | but have no idea which one to go with |
| 19:57.27 | cerebrum86 | mjones: I have burned the 2.6 and it works for me |
| 19:57.34 | cerebrum86 | sh |
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| 19:57.39 | jvh | loudspeaker - 'Du er den smukkeste kvinde i verdenen, kom med mig hjem' |
| 19:57.50 | Matthew_I | where are usbstorage devices placed in devfs? |
| 19:58.02 | sussudio | loudspeaker: Jeg liker grevlinger. vil De som se min innsamling? |
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| 19:58.15 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yeahh! I'll definately pick up the girls with that one. |
| 19:58.16 | nvz | jvh: I had used debian for about a year or two before I got to reading www.debian.org much.. but the Why Debian, and Social Contract pages are about enough to convince most people |
| 19:58.18 | mjones | did you have to do anything special to the iso or in the burning process to get them to boot |
| 19:58.21 | jvh | loudspeaker - Woman = Kvinde Smukkeste = most beutiful Verdenen = the world |
| 19:58.40 | mwilson | Hm, what other shells does Debian package... |
| 19:58.41 | loudspeaker | sussudio, ... Right. Absolutely. |
| 19:58.44 | js_ | how do i set my x background to an image? thats set every time i start x |
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| 19:58.56 | cerebrum86 | matthew: me thinks....usb. |
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| 19:59.30 | cerebrum86 | mjones: yeah. usually you don't burn .iso's directly |
| 19:59.40 | frealek | why not ? |
| 19:59.48 | The_Vulture | js_: either with xsetroot, or with some root window manipulator for your window/desktop manager, and .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 19:59.54 | frealek | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso works, so the contrary is ok |
| 20:00.00 | frealek | (and format is correct) |
| 20:00.02 | jvh | nvz - i mostly heard about Debian from people saying i should try it insteed of Mandrake |
| 20:00.12 | loudspeaker | jvh, Smukkeste = most beutiful? Well that makes sense. |
| 20:00.19 | nvz | js_: chameleon or gqview can handle this.. I recommend gqview for switching bgs, chameleon if you want to put the command into say .xsession, or if you use KDE or GNOME use their background programs |
| 20:00.21 | bogon | js_: chbg |
| 20:00.55 | pme | Are there any hardware-related channels on freenode? I keep trying /list commands but the server tells me "too many channels" and then displays nothing. (I have a question about "low profile" RAM.) |
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| 20:01.06 | js_ | okay, thanks |
| 20:01.06 | cerebrum86 | frealek: i meant using other OS's to burn em |
| 20:01.13 | LoRez | pme: #hardware is known to exist |
| 20:01.20 | frealek | cerebrum86: oh ok |
| 20:01.34 | jvh | loudspeaker - Hard to explain really... We bend the words in different ways ... We dont say: THE world ... we just say verdenen. It's the same.. |
| 20:01.34 | pme | LoRez: okay, I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
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| 20:02.03 | mcnugget | hi there |
| 20:02.24 | ries | hey |
| 20:02.25 | loudspeaker | jvh, Hmm. Without conjunctions? Hebrew does that a lot as well. |
| 20:02.42 | mcnugget | who runs a WinTV Theatre with RemoteControl and Radio with debian? Need help |
| 20:02.51 | jvh | loudspeaker - One Verden.. when you say : the world its just: Verdenen |
| 20:02.51 | cerebrum86 | frealek: remember, not using linux is usually a receipie for disaster |
| 20:02.52 | sussudio | ~tell mcnugget about polls |
| 20:03.12 | frealek | cerebrum86: heh ;) |
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| 20:03.57 | pepsis | anyone able to lend a hand with asmtp using exim in woody? server reports "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN" so I assume its ready, however it's not working. |
| 20:04.07 | nvz | jvh: if you havent already read those, they are at http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and http://www.debian.org/social_contract also a good one is the install guide I usually recommend reading those 3 in that order before installing |
| 20:04.28 | loudspeaker | jvh, So how would I count to ten? (start with the easy stuff) |
| 20:04.36 | jvh | loudspeaker - i dont know Hebrew :-) All the films we see in denmark is on english, we dont translate american movies to our own language like the germans for example. Thats how i learned to speak and understand english. And from compyters ofcourse |
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| 20:05.07 | jvh | <nvz> - i will, thanks again :-) |
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| 20:06.28 | js_ | what do i use to put program icons on my "desktop" (or root window/whatever) |
| 20:07.19 | RichiH | js_: with gnome and kde: right-click -> new -> application(or something) |
| 20:08.07 | js_ | RichiH: what about fluxbox? fbdesk? |
| 20:13.14 | SlayerXP | *click* |
| 20:13.14 | SlayerXP | oops |
| 20:13.14 | mcnugget | ? |
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| 20:13.14 | jodathmorr | who tripped the power? |
| 20:13.14 | gnomiz | one question if i got debian sid i just have to apt-get install gnome and i will get gnome 2.4 or i have to add a deb in sources.list ? |
| 20:13.15 | SlayerXP | wrong button |
| 20:13.25 | bogon | js_: there are programs only for this |
| 20:14.19 | mcnugget | nice |
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| 20:16.12 | SlayerXP | *click* |
| 20:16.12 | SlayerXP | better |
| 20:16.12 | mcnugget | k |
| 20:16.12 | gnomiz | one question if i got debian sid i just have to apt-get install gnome and i will get gnome 2.4 or i have to add a deb in sources.list ? |
| 20:16.12 | Ro0tSiEgE | hmm |
| 20:16.12 | mcnugget | should install normaly |
| 20:16.12 | RichiH | ~find gnome sid |
| 20:18.11 | mcnugget | cause' you installed |
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| 20:19.30 | sussudio | snort. |
| 20:19.30 | loudspeaker | What in the world is going on? |
| 20:19.30 | frealek | oh my |
| 20:19.30 | bogon | js_: http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ.html#toc9.6 |
| 20:19.30 | frealek | loudspeaker: mass split |
| 20:19.30 | frealek | loudspeaker: and rejoin |
| 20:19.30 | trans_err | sounds like fun |
| 20:19.30 | roerich | useless use of abuse script by kids |
| 20:19.31 | loudspeaker | frealek, Something organized or something? |
| 20:19.31 | js_ | bogon: thx |
| 20:19.31 | frealek | loudspeaker: don't think so |
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| 20:19.32 | frealek | loudspeaker: just a split |
| 20:19.32 | frealek | damn that's making noise |
| 20:19.32 | loudspeaker | frealek, A little annoying if you ask me |
| 20:19.32 | caphuso | loudspeaker: learn how to use your IRC client |
| 20:19.32 | frealek | well I just forgot to untick the "show join/parts" |
| 20:19.32 | jvh | nvz - funny when i go to www.debian.org its all written in danish.. neat :-) |
| 20:19.32 | tomZett | what is the +q option? |
| 20:19.32 | frealek | anyway, the +qqqs from chanserv is also annoying and non-avoidable |
| 20:19.32 | caphuso | tomZett: quiet |
| 20:19.32 | sussudio | tomZett: it's the channel's way of saying 'stfu' |
| 20:19.32 | caphuso | frealek: nonsense |
| 20:19.32 | frealek | (to be displayed) |
| 20:19.32 | tomZett | caphuso, I see. |
| 20:19.32 | loudspeaker | caphuso, Well, only about the 3rd time I've used it. |
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| 20:19.34 | frealek | caphuso: I would like xchat to be able to hid the mode changes, it would not be that difficult... and that makes sense for me |
| 20:19.34 | Cire | is there a way to determine, whether linux has detected my soundcard or not? (is lspci the only way, and what should I do when lspci didn't detect it?) |
| 20:19.34 | prajm | anyone know of a ftp client able to do ssl/tls transfers ? |
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| 20:19.46 | frealek | Cire: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 20:19.46 | trans_err | any reason why gnome has decided i only have one virtual desktop? and how do i get back my 3 others? |
| 20:19.46 | frealek | Cire: "shhhhhh" == it works |
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| 20:19.47 | frealek | Cire: CTRL-C to stop |
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| 20:19.47 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.48 | frealek | (damn I did not read the full question .. again) |
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| 20:19.49 | paulswm | wow |
| 20:19.49 | frealek | hmm well, ok apt ;) |
| 20:19.49 | frealek | (wth ?) |
| 20:19.49 | sirReal | i want to configure sudo to allow user X to chown any of his files to Y:Y but the following line in sudoers isn't working: X ALL=(root) /bin/chown Y:Y .* what do i need to change? |
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| 20:19.50 | eeyore- | sirReal: just chown, no arguments |
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| 20:19.51 | limbeaux | is there a website with easy instructions on how to install gnome?? I am am getting no where. all i get is the 2.4 splash screen and then a blue background. |
| 20:19.51 | frealek | Cire: if your soundcard isn't listed in lspci, 2 options, either not supported, or no support build with your kernel. 2 solutions : buy another if not supported, (or build your own driver...) or, compile a new kernel (or install a recent debian default-kernel) |
| 20:19.51 | loudspeaker | How do I change Gnome to my default Xserver? |
| 20:19.51 | RichiH | whoever asked: gnome 2.4 seems to be in sid and after an apt-get update, you are good to go |
| 20:19.51 | eeyore- | frealek: lspci has nothing to do with whether or not sound card will be supported |
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| 20:19.52 | eeyore- | frealek: you can get output, but still have no support or crappy support (aureal) |
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| 20:19.52 | limbeaux | f'n splits |
| 20:19.53 | m0rbid | Hey, I am trying to load Debian into VMWare, so I can learn it, but I am having troubles with startx, and getting PEX error, cannot load Roman Font? Any suggestions? |
| 20:19.53 | sirReal | eeyore-: but couldn't X then chown root's files to his own, screw them up and chown back? |
| 20:19.53 | frealek | eeyore-: sure, but if it's not listed, it can be because not supported at all.... |
| 20:19.57 | frealek | am I wrong ?? |
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| 20:20.10 | eeyore- | sirReal: once you give access to command, it's always green light from there. trust, or don't trust. |
| 20:20.12 | m0rbid | Actually, cannot open PEX Font File: Roman |
| 20:20.23 | eeyore- | sirReal: or, write frontend wrapper around chown/chgrp |
| 20:20.39 | caphuso | sirReal: when did sudo start using regular expressions? |
| 20:20.52 | eeyore- | caphuso: he wish it did :-D |
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| 20:21.05 | frealek | eeyore-: I didn't say that if it *was* listed, it *was* supported |
| 20:21.17 | sirReal | caphuso: you ask me as if I know when i'm in fact in here to find out |
| 20:21.25 | frealek | but you need the soundcard to be listed if you want to hear sound imho |
| 20:21.26 | eeyore- | frealek: "update-pciids" |
| 20:21.30 | caphuso | ok, let's do some reading... |
| 20:21.42 | jvh | How do you close Debian the right way ? |
| 20:21.43 | sirReal | caphuso: i found some example sudoers file that used some regex's |
| 20:21.44 | frealek | eeyore-: checking.... |
| 20:21.45 | m0rbid | =/ |
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| 20:21.56 | loudspeaker | jvh, shutdown -h now |
| 20:22.00 | m0rbid | jvh: shutdown --help |
| 20:22.02 | caphuso | sirReal: i've found a paragraph in "man sudoers" saying this: sudo allows shell-style wildcards to be used in pathnames as well as command line arguments in the sudoers file. Wildcard matching is done via the POSIX fnmatch(3) routine. Note that these are not regular expressions. |
| 20:22.08 | nvz | m0rbid: what version of VMWare whats the host Arch.. ie Win32/i686? |
| 20:22.09 | loudspeaker | jvh, That will halt, while -r will restart |
| 20:22.11 | paulswm | jvh: or "halt" |
| 20:22.32 | caphuso | sirReal: why are you reading some random broken sudoers file instead of the official documentation? |
| 20:22.34 | m0rbid | nvz: VM 4.* host is XP. |
| 20:22.39 | jvh | loudspeaker - what if i want to turn off the computer |
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| 20:23.04 | sirReal | caphuso: because the official docs are a bit cryptic imo. i found the example to give the manpage some context |
| 20:23.06 | loudspeaker | jvh, the full syntax is "shutdown -h now" That halts all systems and tells you to powerdown. |
| 20:23.10 | frealek | eeyore-: so the soundcard can be unlisted and still supported because of a too old pci db ? isn't lspci showing at least that a PCI slot is being used by something it does not recognize ? |
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| 20:23.26 | eeyore- | sirReal: write a wrapper around chmod/chown/chgrp/whatever, look at "chmug" (perl script) for inspirations, then give access to *that* frontend not the low-level commands |
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| 20:23.50 | sirReal | eeyore-: that is probably the best idea |
| 20:23.50 | jvh | loudspeaker - thx alot.. I just started the Debian again and i got the message: hdc not cleanly bla bla..check forced. It's taking forever |
| 20:23.53 | paulswm | jvh: I just use "halt" and turn it off. Less typing :) |
| 20:23.56 | eeyore- | frealek: PCI cards have numeric ID's ... what/whether/how you make sense of the numeric ID's is up to you |
| 20:24.11 | jvh | paulswm - Thx Paul :-) |
| 20:24.12 | frealek | eeyore-: that does not answer my question :) |
| 20:24.16 | eeyore- | frealek: "lspci" matches the ID's up against a nice textual database, but whether or not this database is up to date or accurate is another thing |
| 20:24.22 | frealek | ok |
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| 20:24.31 | eeyore- | frealek: so yeah, lspci will *always* list all PCI devices |
| 20:24.32 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yeah, I hate that. Hda6 is 60gbs and takes forever for the check to run all the way through. Its really annoying. |
| 20:24.37 | m0rbid | nvz: any ideas? |
| 20:24.50 | eeyore- | frealek: there's no case where lspci will notlist any device, so your question is besides the point :) lspci will always list something |
| 20:24.56 | paulswm | loudspeaker: so use ext3 or something |
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| 20:25.05 | frealek | eeyore-: oh ok ! |
| 20:25.11 | jvh | loudspeaker - but nothing is good for nothing, i have teached me: Allways remeber the halt |
| 20:25.12 | frealek | thx |
| 20:25.17 | loudspeaker | paulswm, How exactly do I do that? |
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| 20:25.33 | frealek | Cire: did you copy all that ? |
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| 20:25.37 | m0rbid | Can anyone else help me with XServer not starting? |
| 20:25.47 | loudspeaker | jvh, learned. Instead of teached me. |
| 20:25.48 | xpato | a good blog system? |
| 20:26.12 | paulswm | loudspeaker: if you are using ext2, then "man tune2fs", also "man mke2fs" for new filesystems, ext3 jounralling is covered in there |
| 20:26.19 | jvh | loudspeaker - Ok thanks |
| 20:26.26 | eeyore- | Cire: what sound subsystem does the laptop have? (what's in the advertisement/spec sheet?) |
| 20:26.34 | pngwn | cxpato, blosxom |
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| 20:26.48 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Ahh yes. Thats right. Thanks |
| 20:27.21 | paulswm | loudspeaker: np, saves those interminable fscks :) |
| 20:27.23 | jvh | loudspeaker - i have so much to learn.. man ? i dont even know what that is. Its a long way :-) |
| 20:27.44 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yes, grammar in English is horrible. I almost failed it in HS. Of course, do did everyone else in my class, but whatever |
| 20:27.55 | paulswm | jvh: man for manula pages. Try "man bash", for instance |
| 20:28.06 | paulswm | s/manula/manual/ |
| 20:28.09 | loudspeaker | jvh, man <command> Gives you an extened help, basically |
| 20:28.19 | frealek | I'm doing a helloworld-like module, and I got this "/usr/include/asm/mpspec.h:6:25: mach_mpspec.h: No such file or directory" and a buncha "/usr/include/asm/mpspec.h:8: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function)" ( also mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory) (I'm #including kernel module init mm slab string crypto highmem) (gcc 3.3.2, sarge) thx for hints... |
| 20:28.22 | jvh | paulswm - ok like help files ? Like readme's or something ? |
| 20:28.46 | pngwn | jvh,loudspeaker, debian.org has probably been translated into your language |
| 20:28.53 | loudspeaker | jvh, Yeah basically. Goes into depth for each command. A lot of it is over my head on somethings, but it works out. |
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| 20:29.04 | paulswm | jvh: manual pages - used to be, Unix came with printed manuals, and the pages were also stored on line |
| 20:29.08 | jvh | loudspeaker - i love english and the USA.. i've been in the states twice |
| 20:29.22 | eeyore- | hmmm, yummy. www.mini-itx.com, milled aluminum case :-D (custom-made) |
| 20:29.34 | loudspeaker | pngwn, Yeah, not sure when the English vs was up, but it sure is nice. =) |
| 20:29.50 | nvz | m0rbid: you cannot run VMWare 3.X or newer with X until you compile in the Kernel modules |
| 20:29.51 | jvh | paulswm - OK i'l try that .-) |
| 20:30.08 | loudspeaker | jvh, Really? Trade you. I hate living in the US. Everyone thinks its so nice here, but in reality I'd take a number of other places over this. |
| 20:30.16 | m0rbid | nvz: so an apt-get kernel will not work? |
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| 20:30.27 | m0rbid | nvm: is there a module I should load? |
| 20:30.29 | jvh | pngwn - yeah when i go to www.debian.org its in danish |
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| 20:30.51 | nvz | m0rbid: no the VMWare tools CD is built-in to vmware, you have to click Install VMware tools, mount the cdimage and compile those modules into your kernel |
| 20:30.58 | pngwn | jvh, people have worked very hard on that project :) |
| 20:31.06 | Gwadboy | re |
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| 20:31.14 | tempo_ | how do i reconfigure my screens for startx. ? |
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| 20:31.29 | frealek | ~tell tempo_ about setup x |
| 20:31.34 | blah123 | does debian offer an install iso or floppy disks with 2.6 kernel image yet? |
| 20:31.34 | eeyore- | paulswm: don't you find americans too serious? |
| 20:31.41 | roerich | tempo_ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:31.44 | jvh | loudspeaker - i think the americans is so friendly and i love that everything is so big over there.. I mean: here a coke is a coke.. Oh well you have the stupid light version yes ! But over there a coke is a HUGE desission |
| 20:31.50 | tempo_ | roerich: thx |
| 20:31.52 | Rawplayer | omg are there amerikans in here ? |
| 20:32.04 | paulswm | eeyore-: what, after commuting for years on the London tube? Hah! |
| 20:32.08 | roerich | tempo_: next time read /usr/share/doc/* first |
| 20:32.09 | eeyore- | jvh: "Super Big Gulp" cups ... enough caffeine for a whole week |
| 20:32.16 | blah123 | anyone? |
| 20:32.18 | nvz | m0rbid: they are for Video and Networking IIRC and it applise to VMware 3.x and later.. I am not particuarly a VMware tech.. I just used VMware 2.x and 3.x on windows and linux once or twice... its been about a year or so since I've tried it, as I dont have a fast enough PC for it anymore |
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| 20:32.21 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Sure the US is hospitable, but we have crappy culture, we make movies R rated because of a tit showing, but we have tons of violence, and we don't have any cool cars. The Brits get all the good stuff |
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| 20:32.28 | jvh | pngwn - People are very friendly not that i mind reading in english tough |
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| 20:32.36 | eeyore- | jvh: next size up, "Here, Take 2-litre Bottle With You" cup |
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| 20:32.48 | simonrvn | @tell root about root |
| 20:32.51 | blah123 | does debian offer a 2.6 install iso/disks yet? |
| 20:32.58 | blah123 | 2.6 kernel that is. |
| 20:33.07 | paulswm | loudspeaker: I had a '76 Corvette Stingray, that was a cool car |
| 20:33.08 | roerich | blah123: perhaps Zomb has made one |
| 20:33.09 | caphuso | blah123: no |
| 20:33.11 | jvh | loudspeaker - Not any cool cars ? i have two words for you: Dodge VIPER |
| 20:33.17 | nvz | m0rbid: in any case, installing any OS, especially Debian GNU/Linux on VMware is more difficult than just installing it as a second OS |
| 20:33.20 | simonrvn | blah123: install bf24, then get your own 2.6 |
| 20:33.21 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, jvh: Actually some places are selling 3 liters now. =-) |
| 20:33.23 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: Corvette / Cobra / Mustang don't count? |
| 20:33.24 | blah123 | whats the lastest 2.4 image thats being used on install now? |
| 20:33.27 | purestorm | @tell purestorm about root |
| 20:33.30 | jvh | eeyore- - hehe i love it |
| 20:33.33 | caphuso | blah123: 2.4.18 |
| 20:33.40 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: it's not Aston Martin Vanquish, but that's exactly the point ... |
| 20:33.45 | simonrvn | purestorm: /msg the bot next time, thanks |
| 20:33.48 | loudspeaker | Umm ... NO. Corvette? Big, bulky, handles like a drunken bantha. |
| 20:33.48 | blah123 | and does anyone still run the 2.2.x series? which is better? |
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| 20:33.56 | purestorm | hm, k simonrvn |
| 20:33.58 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: Viper! |
| 20:34.04 | The_Vulture | blah123: define "better" |
| 20:34.05 | paulswm | loudspeaker: I agree with you about movies, though. It's wierd, it's OK to show violent massacres on TV, but God forbid anyone should say "tits" |
| 20:34.15 | loudspeaker | Mustang has been outdated since 76. Do you realize that it still has the same chassis, back end that it did then? AAHAHAH! |
| 20:34.22 | blah123 | well more secure. I m ean my box runs on 2.2.x it would be adviseable to stay with the 2.2.x series? |
| 20:34.29 | nvz | damn the sun is bright as all hell and its snowing like crazy.. its time to bust out the snowboard and walk up to the top of the hill |
| 20:34.47 | loudspeaker | Viper ... Yeah, but who has 80,000 dollars? |
| 20:34.56 | streuner | paulswm: well, maybe he forbid it, but he create it :-) |
| 20:34.56 | jvh | Loudspeaker - want to see a picture of my car :-) |
| 20:35.02 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: if you don't have 80K, how are you gonna afford a vanquish? |
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| 20:35.05 | loudspeaker | jvh, Sure. |
| 20:35.19 | blah123 | I mean the lastest 2.2.25 is secure I assume? and if everything runs, is there any reason to upgrade to the 2.4 or the 2.6.x kernel image? |
| 20:35.19 | jvh | loudspeaker - http://www.scanstyling.dk/Fotos/Styling-fotos/Citroen-fotos/Saxo%202/DIMsaxo-sidestor.JPG |
| 20:35.20 | paulswm | streuner: exactly |
| 20:35.39 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, Besides for all the luxury cars over there .... You guys have the Focus RS. The Peugot 206... |
| 20:35.42 | jvh | loudspeaker - in denmark you have to be 18 to drive |
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| 20:36.02 | eeyore- | i like my Jeep Liberty :-D |
| 20:36.07 | krycek | i have a dependency problem |
| 20:36.11 | krycek | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:36.11 | krycek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.14 | krycek | can anyone help me |
| 20:36.33 | buckwad | eeyore-: Toyota Prius, the true Geek car. ;) |
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| 20:36.44 | loudspeaker | jvh, Bah! Kids shouldn't drive till their 20. Too stupid before that. |
| 20:36.45 | blah123 | ? |
| 20:36.52 | sussudio | krycek: that's what you get for messing with experimental |
| 20:36.53 | The_Vulture | krycek: been playing with sid/sarge? |
| 20:36.54 | eeyore- | buckwad: you're gonna make the rear-view camera / lcd panel mod? |
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| 20:37.17 | buckwad | eeyore-: nah, I have the old one |
| 20:37.18 | jvh | loudspeaker - depends on the mind, some are more mature |
| 20:37.21 | krycek | sussudio: yea, isn't there someway i can reinstall xlibs without removeing it? |
| 20:37.23 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: i see "adults" more stupid (when driving) than some teenagers |
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| 20:37.29 | jvh | loudspeaker - did you see the link ? |
| 20:37.29 | loudspeaker | jvh, See, not that car is a cool car. A little sporty devil you can haul along tiny roads with. That is the best. |
| 20:37.30 | Karlos_Nap | hm |
| 20:37.38 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: they're the "cellphone to the ears" or "too busy handwaving" types |
| 20:37.41 | loudspeaker | err, now |
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| 20:37.51 | sussudio | krycek: dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 20:38.26 | loudspeaker | jvh, eeyore-, Yes adults can be stupid as well, but kids in general are too stupid to realize that driving a car can be dangerous |
| 20:38.28 | jvh | loudspeaker - hehe i like it, its a good lottle car, takes me where i want to go |
| 20:38.36 | blah123 | is there any reason why someone would upgrade to the lastest kernel if the 2.2.25 kernel still works perfectly and everything works fine on the box? isn't 2.2.25 secure as of right now, no exploits out for it i mean? |
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| 20:38.55 | streuner | eeyore-: i don't give much about statics, but if you look at it, you see who made the most accidents, which says that they don't have enough experience. |
| 20:39.03 | loudspeaker | I actually just had a friend slam into a Semi-Truck. Was in a coma for 3 weeks. Messed him up pretty bad. |
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| 20:39.16 | loudspeaker | He's getting better though. |
| 20:39.18 | wickedly_cool | wow this is a cool server |
| 20:39.19 | eeyore- | streuner: true enough, that comes with being young and feeling invincible :-) |
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| 20:39.35 | Zap-W | how do 24/7 servers with high uptimes keep their servers clean from dust? |
| 20:39.47 | sussudio | Zap-W: not having dust in the room |
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| 20:39.51 | buckwad | Zap-W: filters |
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| 20:40.27 | loudspeaker | I mean, I'm a kid (only 22) and I know what I was like when I was 16. Stupid. I'm surprised I didn't get myself, or someone else killed. |
| 20:40.30 | eeyore- | buckwad: mine is black and aluminum (renegade trim), thinking about putting in a mini-itx computer in there. |
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| 20:40.54 | jvh | loudspeaker - You should visit denmark sometimes, you would like it here, everything IS very very small.. Small cars, small roads, small cokes... everything |
| 20:40.58 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: there's time :) |
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| 20:41.04 | chrols | I'm need to run a 'gmake' however i can find no packages containing 'gmake' when I run an 'apt-cache search'. Where is it hidden? |
| 20:41.12 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, Yeah, don't remind me. =P |
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| 20:41.21 | LarstiQ | chrols: it's called make |
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| 20:41.22 | eeyore- | jvh: i like the coziness of streets/walkways |
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| 20:41.29 | streuner | chrois: it is gnu-make=gmake |
| 20:41.30 | roerich | chrols: debians make is gnu make alias gmake |
| 20:41.34 | wickedly_cool | how long has this server been around? |
| 20:41.35 | sussudio | jvh: jordbaer |
| 20:41.40 | eeyore- | wickedly_cool: several years |
| 20:41.41 | mwilson | hrm |
| 20:41.43 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'd love to come over and visit. Actually, I want to pack around Europe for a few weeks. Go to all the rally's you guys have over there. |
| 20:41.53 | jvh | sussudio - Jordbær tastes good :-) |
| 20:41.54 | wickedly_cool | cool |
| 20:41.55 | chrols | roerich: Oh, OK. Thanks |
| 20:41.59 | loudspeaker | jvh, Rally is the best sport in the world. Nothing else compares to it |
| 20:42.02 | sussudio | jvh: i ate them till i puked. and beyond. |
| 20:42.06 | wickedly_cool | any one know any good hacking irc servers? |
| 20:42.09 | DjMadness | i have a memory problem, too much ram is used, i am running kernel 2.6.1 |
| 20:42.17 | DjMadness | wickedly_cool: fuck off |
| 20:42.19 | eeyore- | DjMadness: unplug some |
| 20:42.44 | wickedly_cool | hmmm thats a warms welcome |
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| 20:42.45 | roerich | sometimes I wonder why people don't remember the GNU/-part of the distro's name |
| 20:42.50 | eeyore- | DjMadness: if you don't want the memory to be used, unplug it. after all, why put it in if you don't want it used... |
| 20:42.51 | jvh | eeyore- - we have alot of little streets and walkways, actually our biggest city dont have houses bigger then 10th floor |
| 20:42.53 | DjMadness | wickedly_cool: lame kiddie scripter, your are the kind of people that make it like hell for ircd providers like me |
| 20:42.58 | LoRez | wickedly_cool: that's way off topic for this network |
| 20:42.58 | loudspeaker | DjMadness, No need none of that. |
| 20:43.01 | jvh | sussudio - hehe |
| 20:43.12 | sussudio | jvh: my aunt and uncle live on Fyn |
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| 20:43.20 | wickedly_cool | lmao im no script kiddie i assure you... |
| 20:43.27 | jvh | loudspeaker - :-) Tell me if you do, i could point you to some great sights |
| 20:43.29 | loudspeaker | DjMadness, I mean, I'm with you. I feel the same way, but still.. |
| 20:43.32 | DjMadness | loudspeaker: sry, just pisses me off with hackers to hack irc servers :-/ |
| 20:43.32 | wickedly_cool | what i meant in hacking was "Programming servers" |
| 20:43.34 | eeyore- | jvh: i haven't been to denmark (yet), but someday wife/kid/i would love to go visit europe as a family |
| 20:43.45 | jvh | sussudio> - Ok i live on Sjælland, right next to fyn :-) |
| 20:43.59 | DjMadness | jvh: so do i ;) well nearly |
| 20:44.01 | wickedly_cool | no no i didnt mean hacking irc servers... i meant servers to help learn more about programming and hacking |
| 20:44.02 | sirReal | assumptions, assumptions... haven't we all learned? |
| 20:44.06 | sussudio | jvh: that's where legoland is, isn't it |
| 20:44.11 | DjMadness | wickedly_cool: ah, sorry then |
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| 20:44.27 | eeyore- | wickedly_cool: what are you interested in? |
| 20:44.31 | jvh | eeyore- - This is so funny i LOVE visit USA.. I've been to Disney World, Epcot, Universal Studios.. I LOVE IT |
| 20:44.38 | fariseo | smbmount //P4/d$ /home/fariseo/samba/d.... < i need that in a for /bin/sh loop, how do i escape that $? so i can do this: for i in "a b c e f g h"; do smbmount //P4/$i$ /home/fariseo/samba/$i .... |
| 20:44.41 | wickedly_cool | hmm i need to leanr more about c++ |
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| 20:44.48 | LoRez | wickedly_cool: then join #c++ |
| 20:44.53 | wickedly_cool | i know a little and can send tcp data |
| 20:44.55 | wickedly_cool | ok thanks |
| 20:44.55 | jvh | sussudio - No thats Jylland.. Sjælland is on the right, were our capital is |
| 20:44.58 | simonrvn | fariseo: \ |
| 20:44.59 | eeyore- | jvh: it's what you don't have that fascinates you :-D |
| 20:45.00 | loudspeaker | jvh, Well when I come, make a room for me. =) |
| 20:45.10 | paulswm | jvh: I live 15 minutes away from Walt Disney World |
| 20:45.18 | jvh | DjMadness - Where ? |
| 20:45.24 | eeyore- | paulswm: irvine for me (socal) |
| 20:45.27 | somiaj | jvh: bah, that isn't the US, and if I were to recomend places to visit here it wouldn't be any of those...(: |
| 20:45.27 | simonrvn | paulswm: my condolences |
| 20:45.34 | DjMadness | jvh: Brøndby strand and Nykøbinf F |
| 20:45.42 | paulswm | simonrvn: I love it |
| 20:45.43 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Really? How do you like the Orlando area? Too muggy for my taste. |
| 20:45.47 | streuner | paulswm: Disney is only for kids |
| 20:45.52 | jvh | eeyore- - yeah i guess so.. You can drive from one end of denmark to the other end in about 5 hours |
| 20:45.52 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: and the alligators! |
| 20:46.04 | greycat | fariseo: for i in a b c d e f g h; do smbmount //P4/$i\$ /home/fariseo/samba/$i; done |
| 20:46.08 | simonrvn | paulswm: good for you. i wouldn't |
| 20:46.10 | paulswm | streuner: one has to grow old, but one doesn't have to grow up |
| 20:46.11 | eeyore- | jvh: holy crap! in four hours you could be in new mexico! :) |
| 20:46.12 | DjMadness | i have 89% free ram left om my server with 378 MB of ram, this is too much, and i am only running an ircd, and apache |
| 20:46.16 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, Actually, I wouldn't mind wrestling an alligator. I think it'd be fun. :P |
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| 20:46.25 | greycat | ~free ram |
| 20:46.27 | | Unlike information, your memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! When your kernel reads a file from the disk, it will cache the data in memory for quick retrieval later on. This cache will be reallocated to programs if they need it. |
| 20:46.27 | sussudio | !tell DjMadness about free ram |
| 20:46.29 | jvh | loudspeaker - i can be the Copenhagen tour guide how baout that, in exhange for help with Debian hehe |
| 20:46.31 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: see? there's still time :) (earlier comment) |
| 20:46.42 | jvh | paulswm - I LOVE ORLANDO.. |
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| 20:46.51 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, rofl. Now -that- is comedy. :) |
| 20:46.54 | paulswm | loudspeaker: I lve it, but then again I spent my childhood in Malaysia, so humidity isn't a big issue for me :) |
| 20:47.01 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: timing :) |
| 20:47.22 | loudspeaker | jvh, deal. Rally sports hear I come! |
| 20:47.36 | jvh | eeyore- i mean by car ? We have a VERY small country |
| 20:47.44 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Malaysia? What in the world where you over there for? |
| 20:47.44 | EksTeSi | hey does anyone know why, when u recompile a 2.6 kernel u get "QM_MODULES" function not implemented when you run modprobe ? |
| 20:47.45 | DjMadness | okay, thx |
| 20:47.46 | jvh | eeyore- 5 million people live in denmark |
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| 20:48.09 | paulswm | loudspeaker: my father was a rubber planter |
| 20:48.14 | eeyore- | jvh: that's one heck of a traffic jam :) you can get pretty far in 5 hours here |
| 20:48.29 | loudspeaker | paulswm, rubber planter? |
| 20:48.32 | jvh | loudspeaker - :-) Actually i have 2 rally-driver friends |
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| 20:48.44 | eeyore- | paulswm: you must find americans pretty uptight when it comes to certain subjects |
| 20:49.38 | pepsis | anyone able to lend a hand with asmtp and exim? using plaintext would be enough to get started. |
| 20:49.42 | paulswm | loudspeaker: manager of a rubber estate, where one grows rubber trees to tap for latex |
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| 20:49.43 | jvh | eeyore- You can get pretty far here as well.. all the way around denmark |
| 20:49.43 | jawe | anyone know where i can find the download for mkinitrd source? |
| 20:49.43 | loudspeaker | jvh, I had one, but a practice accident has ended his 'career' ... at least for now. He was dang good too. Placed 1st in his class last time he drove (and after driving in only 4... Not bad at all) |
| 20:49.43 | EksTeSi | this look familiar to anyone ? QM_MODULES |
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| 20:50.03 | paulswm | eeyore-: not really, though I've been here since '85, so I'm pretty much used to the culture |
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| 20:50.07 | simonrvn | EksTeSi: apt-get install modules-init-tools |
| 20:50.15 | smj | Greetings fellow Debianites... |
| 20:50.19 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Ahhh. Really? I guess I never put much thought into rubber, and where it came from. Kinda an odd job. |
| 20:50.21 | simonrvn | EksTeSi: next time RTFM if you play with experimental things |
| 20:50.25 | jvh | loudspeaker - i dont care one bit about sports...im not a sporty kindda guy |
| 20:50.27 | smj | Is it better to mount NFS exports hard or soft? |
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| 20:50.38 | paulswm | loudspeaker: an excellent childhood, actually :) |
| 20:50.56 | EksTeSi | simonrvn... yeah trying to do that.. didn't realize we are playing with experimental crap |
| 20:50.58 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: much of rubber supply still come from trees |
| 20:50.59 | streuner | paulswm: somebody told me he went with his children to Disney, after a while the children are bored, can you imagine what did happen then? :-) |
| 20:51.00 | smj | According to the man page on NFS, it should only affect timeouts, but the O'Reilly book says hard mounts perform better. |
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| 20:51.06 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'm one of those HS jocks turned computer nerd. I like it. Best of both worlds actually. =-) |
| 20:51.09 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: and then there's synthetics |
| 20:51.21 | simonrvn | EksTeSi: uh, 2.6.1. version not tell you anything? |
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| 20:51.41 | EksTeSi | says latest stable |
| 20:51.42 | loudspeaker | paulswm, I dont' doubt it. Getting to travel like that. Must've been very cool. Its one thing I haven't had a chance to go do that I really really want to. |
| 20:51.51 | paulswm | streuner: you have to be really dedicated to actually bore kids at Disney |
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| 20:51.59 | jvh | loudspeaker - Yeah thats right :-) Only thing one my mind besides computers is girls |
| 20:52.09 | smt | jvh, heh, 5 million people in denmark and 5 million people in finland. and compare the size of the lands... :) |
| 20:52.14 | EksTeSi | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.1 |
| 20:52.20 | EksTeSi | though that would be safe : ) |
| 20:52.24 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, Odd though, that rubber comes from trees, isn't? |
| 20:52.25 | simonrvn | EksTeSi: your point? |
| 20:52.31 | Limbeaux | can someone help with error OAFIID:Gnome_SettingsDaemon? |
| 20:52.32 | roerich | EksTeSi: you better use 2.4.24... |
| 20:52.37 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: that's the way it's been for a very long time :-D |
| 20:52.45 | jvh | smt - Thats right, but i was comparing with us.. 11 Million people in 1 city over there |
| 20:52.45 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'm 22 remember? Girls -never- leave my mind. =P |
| 20:52.49 | Limbeaux | it gives me that error when I run startx |
| 20:52.56 | smt | jvh, yeah, I know |
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| 20:53.05 | paulswm | loudspeaker: yes, very interesting, expecially flying between the UK and Malaya in the 50s and 60s, not a lot of people wer flying then |
| 20:53.10 | jvh | loudspeaker - I'm 23, the same here... |
| 20:53.14 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, =P I didn't pay much attention in HS. I was bored most of the time. Hated it. |
| 20:53.15 | maher | EksTeSi: do you have the latest module-init-tools |
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| 20:53.33 | EksTeSi | just cheking |
| 20:53.53 | loudspeaker | paulswm, That would be a plane trip and a half. =P It takes awhile now, but back then... UG. No fun. |
| 20:54.03 | simonrvn | Limbeaux: ignore it |
| 20:54.11 | jvh | loudspeaker - i hope i soon can visit Miami again, i really miss: Donkin Donuts, Taco Bell, those huge malls, american girls |
| 20:54.17 | loudspeaker | jvh, =) What is it about them? They aren't much different than us, but I can't get them off the mind |
| 20:54.20 | EksTeSi | maher : that not available in woody ? |
| 20:54.21 | simonrvn | Limbeaux: does it have to do with a panelk applet? |
| 20:54.29 | simonrvn | Limbeaux: panel* |
| 20:54.36 | maher | EksTeSi: that's why its not working |
| 20:54.46 | Limbeaux | no |
| 20:54.51 | EksTeSi | damn... hmm |
| 20:54.51 | loudspeaker | jvh, As me and my buddies call it: Taco Bay-a. Best Fast Food in the world. |
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| 20:55.01 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: car tires are usually made with a mix of natural rubber and synthetic rubber (and other compounds) in different amounts |
| 20:55.05 | simonrvn | Limbeaux: oh ok. ignore what i said about ignoring the error then :) |
| 20:55.08 | loudspeaker | jvh, Don't they have that in Denmark? |
| 20:55.12 | tempo_ | i am trying to configure my xserver-xfree86. lspci i get some random multimedia intel chip. i have tried different configurations. nothing works. ideas how to trouble shoot this situation? |
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| 20:55.13 | paulswm | loudspeaker: in the 50s, I flew in Britannia, Super Constellation, trip took three days with overnight stops, then down to under 24 hours in the de Havilland Comet 4b |
| 20:55.26 | DjMadness | how can i make a program run in the background, and still run ? |
| 20:55.28 | eeyore- | loudspeaker: since you're interested in racing, maybe you can find out the "typical" formula for making rally tires :) |
| 20:55.28 | DjMadness | f.ex a bot |
| 20:55.45 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, =P I'm into it. But not THAT much. |
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| 20:56.04 | simonrvn | DjMadness: add a & after the command, then do disown if you don't want it still attached to your term |
| 20:56.05 | jvh | loudspeaker - One good thing about denmark, the say we have to best girls here... try: http://www.hotpeople.dk/toplists.asp <-- Danish dating-kinnda-thing |
| 20:56.17 | roerich | DjMadness: 1. with fg and bg commands by starting it with foo & or 2. using nohup or 3. use screen |
| 20:56.26 | loudspeaker | paulswm, I wish I had memories of stuff like that. To be able to say you were there. Most of my memories have to do with starting my neighbors fence on fire. =P |
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| 20:56.53 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.18 | loudspeaker | jvh, Amen to that. I went on a cruise, out of Fort Lauderdale actually that had some Danish chicks. Good God. If only I had had the courage. |
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| 20:57.43 | eeyore- | bbl, lunch |
| 20:57.50 | tempo_ | roerich: do you know how can i can trouble shoot my problem with the xserver-xfree86 screens?? |
| 20:58.13 | EksTeSi | alright guys it's all starting to make sense now.. hehe damn.. yeah going back to 2.4.xx for now : ) |
| 20:58.13 | tempo_ | roerich: troubleshoot:) |
| 20:58.18 | paulswm | loudspeaker: heh, some memories not so good, though. Rubber estates are isolated and were attacked by the CTs (Communist Terrorists) in the 50s and 60s, was a set of hideouts within a few miles of us, when the British Army dropped leaflets from helicopters encouraging them to surrender, a bunch fell all over our garden |
| 20:58.27 | jvh | loudspeaker - i met the cutest chicks when i was in miami, but dont think they want a bright white tourist from denmark hehe |
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| 20:58.35 | loudspeaker | eeyore-, Actually, r-compound tires are the best for street racing. Though I'm not sure exactly why. You into cars at all? |
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| 20:58.45 | EksTeSi | didn't realize their was a new mod toolkit for > 2.5 kernels |
| 20:58.48 | _pragma | http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html is a funny read :p |
| 20:58.50 | roerich | tempo_: damn read /var/log/XFree86.x.log |
| 20:59.01 | tempo_ | roerich: i have |
| 20:59.06 | mazze | little problem setting up gnome2: When starting X with "startx" only the WM starts, but the gnome-panel isn't there. As the .xsession-file contains merely nothing, I assume x-window-manager is executed. How can I get the whole crappy gnome2-desktop to start? |
| 20:59.13 | nvz | jvh: catch em at the right place at the right time and you'd be surprised |
| 20:59.25 | roerich | tempo_ but you don't have any clue |
| 20:59.33 | nvz | jvh: speak with an accent too, real heavy, even if its fake |
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| 20:59.44 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Man, that would be an odd experience to have as a child. Where you ever there when the place got attacked? |
| 20:59.51 | roerich | tempo_: 1. which gfx card do you use? |
| 20:59.54 | gratuit | is there any way to tell the read speed of a dvd drive without physical access to it? |
| 21:00.05 | gratuit | I'm sshed in |
| 21:00.13 | roerich | gratuit: hdparm? |
| 21:00.13 | Icemaann | hey guys, maybe im missing a module or a kernel param, but when i call hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda I get this: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted its an intel 840 chipset (hp kayak xu800) |
| 21:00.19 | jvh | nvz - There is a word for that: Getting them drunk as hell... Danish speak english with alot of accent, but i dont think it sounds cute |
| 21:00.20 | DjMadness | roerich: thx |
| 21:00.24 | Icemaann | would idebus= fix that? |
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| 21:00.28 | streuner | roerich: no |
| 21:00.31 | DjMadness | saved me alot of work |
| 21:00.36 | loudspeaker | jvh, Bah, just lay out on the beach for a few days and then hit the clubs. =) Besides, you probably have an accent. That always gets the girls. |
| 21:00.41 | poli_ | Icemaann: Are you root? Try hdparm -d /dev/hda |
| 21:00.47 | poli_ | Icemaann: Are you root? Try hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
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| 21:00.52 | Icemaann | poli_: yes im root :-D |
| 21:01.03 | impossible | for some reason I have the urge to do "rm -rf /" |
| 21:01.09 | poli_ | Icemaann: Try -d1 not -d 1 see if it gets better? |
| 21:01.20 | Icemaann | poli_: WAIT, i think the perms are wrong on the device |
| 21:01.24 | jvh | loudspeaker - i dont think my accent sounds cute at all |
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| 21:01.35 | loudspeaker | poli_ is keeping it on the down low. (dl) =P |
| 21:01.49 | tempo_ | roerich: some Intel multimedia : Intel Corp. 24c5 |
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| 21:01.55 | Icemaann | poli_: nope, still does not work..... -c 1 works, so I know it can modify params |
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| 21:02.26 | loudspeaker | jvh, I don't know. Any girl with a foriegn accent ... Oh man. If they were mediocure before... they just went up a few points. =) |
| 21:02.29 | Matthew_I | should I mount my floppies sync or async? |
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| 21:02.41 | roerich | tempo_: ok looks like i8xx onboard crap - there are tutorials on google to find for that |
| 21:02.49 | impossible | ah nobody's paying attention to 'Butthead |
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| 21:03.14 | nvz | well I dont figure anyone knows anything about parallel linking AT keyboards, so I am off to google, before I tear anything apart. |
| 21:03.16 | poli_ | Icemaann: Your dma access is disabled? |
| 21:03.17 | jvh | loudspeaker - You know what i like the most? A girl who live in the us and speaks perfect american, wow im sold |
| 21:03.49 | Icemaann | poli_: yep. ive searched on google, last time it was mentioned much was ages ago tho, and it was a weird IDE chipset. but i had this very one working in mandrake |
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| 21:03.57 | jvh | loudspeaker - Sounds so cute when girls speak american |
| 21:03.57 | impossible | poor Icemaann |
| 21:04.07 | mazze | how do I have to start gnome2 correctly? with gnome-session? |
| 21:04.08 | tempo_ | roerich: ok. thx |
| 21:04.13 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'm up near Seattle, so when I head down south, or east .. I say I do like that as well. =) |
| 21:04.15 | Icemaann | dmesg|grep -i ide has this: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 21:04.15 | nvz | mazze: yes |
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| 21:04.30 | poli | Icemaann: Seems like a chipset problem alright... Try a lspci and check your kernel config... |
| 21:04.30 | Icemaann | poli: but i think thats unrelated |
| 21:04.41 | mazze | nvz but it leads me to starting the WM only, not the fancy bars and so on |
| 21:04.51 | Icemaann | poli: kernel recompile is my next idea too, its the standard 2.4-smp image |
| 21:04.55 | loudspeaker | jvh, Can you tell you have an accent? I hear that we have a pretty good one in the NorthWest, but I can't tell |
| 21:04.58 | nvz | mazze: maybe you didnt install the fancy bars package, or the desktop package |
| 21:04.59 | mazze | nvz I actually have to use CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to kill X |
| 21:05.04 | poli | Icemaann: Well last time I got DMA off hdparm didn't return any errors, just did not turn it on. |
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| 21:05.07 | nvz | mazze: which are gnome-panel and nautilus |
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| 21:05.30 | baz | okay... installing sarge on a new machine for the first time - looking good so far |
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| 21:05.44 | jvh | loudspeaker - i can hear when danish people try to speak american...Sounds terrible.. |
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| 21:05.45 | mazze | nvz ok, you're right |
| 21:05.49 | paulswm | loudspeaker: our house was fired upon only once. My father (ex British Army captain) wore a sidearm when he wnet out, and was escorted by soldiers from the Gurkha Regiment (we had quite a few of them on the estate. |
| 21:05.52 | nvz | mazze: dpkg -l gnome-panel nautilus | egrep ^.i |
| 21:05.56 | baz | how close is sarge to freeze? eg. is there no change of xf43? |
| 21:06.03 | nvz | mazze: if nothing shows up, they arent installed |
| 21:06.13 | mazze | nvz, sorry, I'm not a quite fanatic gnome2-user, I always use enlightenment only.... |
| 21:06.24 | impossible | does anyone know of a tutorial on symlinks?? |
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| 21:06.30 | loudspeaker | jvh, Spend some time in New York. Now that sounds terrible |
| 21:06.33 | impossible | no wait nvm |
| 21:06.35 | baz | impossible: man ls? |
| 21:06.39 | baz | man ln, obviously |
| 21:06.41 | baz | damn fingers |
| 21:06.51 | baz | and indeed brain |
| 21:06.54 | paulswm | loudspeaker: my mother was under instructions to put my suster and me in the bathtub if the houese was attacked, and to shoot us if it looked like they were going to get in |
| 21:06.56 | impossible | baz: I already knew :D |
| 21:06.59 | Icemaann | poli: yea, i search for some info i got from lspci, and i think i know what to try next. thanks for your help!! |
| 21:06.59 | mazze | nvz installing gnome-desktop-environment now. Seems to pretty pull all packages I need. |
| 21:07.02 | baz | impossible: :) |
| 21:07.04 | jvh | loudspeaker - why would you say that ? |
| 21:07.07 | poli | impossible: You have a problem with symlink? |
| 21:07.11 | nvz | mazze: dont tell me that stuff, I kill enlightenment users with rabid weasels for lack of something better to do |
| 21:07.20 | baz | lol nvz |
| 21:07.20 | impossible | poli: no, just not understanding it, even after years of using nix |
| 21:07.21 | mazze | nvz ! |
| 21:07.34 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Man, thats crazy. I suppose it was for the best, but still. Grief. Kill your own kids? That'd been messed up. |
| 21:07.38 | jvh | loudspeaker - My favorite movie: 'Pulp fiction' i love when they talk, it sound so cool :-) |
| 21:07.38 | DjMadness | Physical Memory 95% 18.32 MB 358.23 MB 376.55 MB <<-- ? still no problem with that ? |
| 21:07.46 | mazze | nvz but why? Don't you love them [ the enli users ] ? |
| 21:07.54 | sandman | Why is Debian Sid (the latest, most bleeding edge Debian dist) still @ X4.2, when X4.4 is out? X4.2 has been out for 11 months or so |
| 21:07.55 | Matthew_I | how can I print my gpg key fingerprint |
| 21:08.01 | paulswm | loudspeaker: the CTs skinned people alive, amongst other things |
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| 21:08.05 | baz | enlightenment just looks wrong |
| 21:08.08 | nvz | enlightenment is the ugliest most anoying pile of crap I have ever seen |
| 21:08.09 | loudspeaker | jvh, Oh lord.... What has the american culture done to you. =P |
| 21:08.23 | sandman | Most other distros have X4.3 at least in stable, with X4.4 in their unstable |
| 21:08.31 | mazze | I use enlightenment all day at work |
| 21:08.32 | sandman | I like Debian, I don't mind this, I'm sur ethere's a good reason |
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| 21:08.35 | sandman | I just wanted to know why.. |
| 21:08.41 | impossible | does anyone know how to backup or put the current configuration into a CD? |
| 21:08.46 | roerich | sandman because debian supports more than x86 architectuer |
| 21:08.50 | gratuit | sandman: there is probably a problem with 4.3 on one of the architectures supported by debian, it doesn't come out until it is ready for all |
| 21:08.52 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Sick what ppl do to each other isn't? -shiver- That would be a terrible way to go. |
| 21:08.53 | impossible | because I have certain configs I want to backup |
| 21:08.59 | nvz | the focus model is worse than blackbox, and the interface is worse than win3.11.. note I do like WFW 3.11 and Blackbox, aside from the mentioned downfalls |
| 21:09.05 | owner | anyone can recommend an easy newbie guide to installation ( netinst , etc ) , setting up debian ? coz i can't remember myself how i installed debian .. |
| 21:09.06 | sandman | roerich: So does Gentoo.. |
| 21:09.15 | sandman | gratuit: I see. |
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| 21:09.17 | jvh | loudspeaker - i think underestimate the effect america has on denmark, when have even stolen alot of your words, and stealing more daily |
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| 21:09.27 | paulswm | loudspeaker: yes, it was all very worrying, more for our parents than us |
| 21:09.30 | impossible | owner: no, just do a rm -rf and reinstall debian, put the cd in shouldn't be hard |
| 21:09.37 | DjMadness | jvh: lol ;) |
| 21:09.39 | keta | sandman: because a package becomes stable when it's "mature" no matter how many upstream versions are out |
| 21:09.45 | mazze | nvz why is the focus model wrong? To what concerns? |
| 21:09.48 | js_ | what is the thing i ask dpkg about when i want to know about X 4.3.0? |
| 21:09.52 | jvh | DjMadness - it's true :-) |
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| 21:09.56 | sandman | keta: I'm talkig about sid |
| 21:10.00 | sandman | the unstable release |
| 21:10.10 | nvz | mazze: too sloppy, give sawfish a good long testing with gnome, then try using anything else.. |
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| 21:10.20 | owner | any website addresses for Installation of debian ? ( differences in netinst's , diff's in sarge, sid , etc ) |
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| 21:10.27 | morbius`wk | somebody able to help me with my network card, i cant seem to get the shit to work DHCP |
| 21:10.30 | loudspeaker | jvh, I believe it. The "west" is all about getting ppl to think the way they do. Sometimes thats good... othertimes, not so much. |
| 21:10.33 | DjMadness | what is unstable dist, is it when it has not been tested, or will it make f.ex a server unstable ? |
| 21:10.35 | morbius`wk | i had it working @ my house |
| 21:10.35 | sandman | Where to get experimental repositories? |
| 21:10.45 | sandman | I want to add experimental repositories so I can backport stuff from it. |
| 21:10.49 | baz | sandman: apt-get.org |
| 21:10.50 | gratuit | sandman: you could try apt-get.org |
| 21:10.53 | sandman | baz: k |
| 21:11.00 | fariseo | i guess its my lame shell scripting, but why is this: for i in "c d e f g h"; do smbmount //P4/$i\$ /home/fariseo/p4/$i -o username=administrator,password=; done giving me Could not resolve mount point d? i can do smbmount //P4/d$ /home/fariseo/p4/d -o username=administrator,password= but that for loop gives me errors |
| 21:11.01 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Yeah I imagine it was worse for them. Did you know what was going on, or what could happen when you were younger? Or did they tell you after you guys got out of the situation? |
| 21:11.05 | nvz | mazze: sawfish can match windows, can apply any key or mouse or combination binding to any context, all configurations are in lisp, easy to edit.. |
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| 21:11.17 | jvh | loudspeaker - Remember witch countries supported bush in the war of Iraq ? |
| 21:11.22 | Zta | Where can I find gimp-2.0 packages for testing? |
| 21:11.23 | mazze | nvz I already used sawfish for some time (1.5 years ago approximately), but I changed back to enli for the -- in my opinion -- very good User Interface |
| 21:11.31 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'm guessing ... Denmark? |
| 21:11.33 | nvz | fluxbox actually has a very easy to edit menu scheme going.. I liked that |
| 21:11.50 | jvh | loudspeaker - Denmark, England and spain |
| 21:12.03 | mazze | nvz and I never used Gnome for a long time, because I don't want these panels at all. I'm starting my apps within Eterm/Xterm and with shortcuts. |
| 21:12.07 | nvz | mazze: sawfish lacks the interface, but as seen with gnome, that stuff can be ran on top. |
| 21:12.08 | sandman | Isn't there an official experimental repository? |
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| 21:12.35 | mazze | nvz ok, I see that sawfish and gnome should be used together... |
| 21:12.37 | LoRez | sandman: I wouldn't call it official, but there is one. |
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| 21:12.41 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: http://www.virtual-bubblewrap.com/popnow.shtml |
| 21:12.44 | LoRez | apt: experimental |
| 21:12.46 | | well, experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 999' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 21:12.46 | paulswm | loudspeaker: no, I knew what was going on vaguely, but I didn't realize just how much danger we were in until I read a history of the period when I was older. The British Army thought the rubber planters were nuts to stay, but that's what you have to do |
| 21:12.53 | loudspeaker | jvh, I'm not much for war. Yes, he was an evil man. Yes, the world is better without him. But who are we to say that we have the right to do it? |
| 21:13.04 | witless | i'm setting up cyrus21 for the first time. is there a good how-to anywhere? |
| 21:13.18 | LoRez | loudspeaker,jvh: #world-politics |
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| 21:13.33 | nvz | mazze: if you liked sawfish I'd recommend having a look at kahakai.. its awesome, not in debian yet that I know of.. but one nice feature, is the window list menu shows each process as a submenu containing signals you can send, priority settings etc.. plus its python scriptable, and anyone can do python scripting |
| 21:13.39 | ernesto | my net connection keeps stopping after a few minutes when i boot up my system: i've checked ifconfig, and it provides no hints as to what might be going wrong |
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| 21:13.48 | nvz | !info kahakai |
| 21:14.09 | loudspeaker | paulswm, I'd been calling up my parents and been like, "Hello! Was it worth the paycheck!?" But then again, you did have a great many experiences. |
| 21:14.09 | jvh | loudspeaker - me neither, just illustrating the effect us has on denmark |
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| 21:14.17 | js_ | where do i find the xfree 4.3.0 debs? |
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| 21:14.22 | loudspeaker | LoRez, Bah, world politics ... Debian. Same thing |
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| 21:14.35 | sandman | LoRez: Can I use that as a deb-src line, also? |
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| 21:15.05 | mazze | nvz but what -- I'm really interested and curious -- environment should I use better than enlightenment, when I need this WM for work, don't want any things on the desktop itsself, want to be customizable easily (because I'm not a programmer) ? |
| 21:15.10 | impossible | aaaahhhhhh |
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| 21:15.18 | impossible | someone yank the yankees |
| 21:15.19 | sgeigerbot | impossible: You're impossible. |
| 21:15.31 | impossible | sgeigerbot: you're a bot |
| 21:15.36 | mwilson | js_: There are none. |
| 21:15.41 | paulswm | loudspeaker: when I was a bit older, we went for a vacation to the north east coast. I remember standing on the beach looking out across the South China Sea towards Vietman, and thanking God that the Americans were there protecting us (we'd been through the CT problems, and we all believed that if the Americans weren't in Vietnam, the CTs would start up again, coming down through Thailand. |
| 21:15.43 | sgeigerbot | impossible: Nobody cares about baseball. |
| 21:15.45 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: badger |
| 21:15.46 | mwilson | js_: Just ones in experimental. |
| 21:15.58 | impossible | sgeigerbot: yankees=americans |
| 21:16.01 | js_ | mwilson: those are the ones im talking about.. do you know where i can find them? |
| 21:16.02 | loudspeaker | Why won't my mouse start up properly in X? mdetect, discover all say /dev/psaux .. but it still doesn't work? |
| 21:16.07 | sgeigerbot | ~rodent sussudio |
| 21:16.11 | | ACTION turns sussudio into a gerbil and releases Richard Gere with his duct tape |
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| 21:16.30 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, Check XFree86 logs under /var/logs/ |
| 21:16.36 | mwilson | js_: People who can't find experimental on their own have zero business using it. |
| 21:16.45 | mrzippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.46 | mrzippy | hi, i have a problem with gnome. It reset for a problem.And when I saw the log i saw that __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed ... I think that it was due to the kernel. Anybody can help me plz? |
| 21:16.47 | paulswm | sorry, too much OT chat from me, I'll shut up now |
| 21:16.52 | nvz | mazze: I am growing very fond of this Ion.. its more text-oriented, but the thing I like about it, aside from the ability to use keyboard shortcuts extensivly, it organizes windows into frames, and its just really easy to navigate. although it is somewhat crippled as its not really what you would call a Window Manager, its simply like an advanced text console |
| 21:16.56 | sgeigerbot | impossible: Why don't you try to be a biggot in some other channel. |
| 21:17.10 | impossible | sgeigerbot: later then |
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| 21:17.36 | morbius`wk | somebody plz help me w/my NIC? |
| 21:17.46 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, Yeah, it keeps going to /dev/input/mice although in dpkg reconfigure I set it up for the other. |
| 21:17.59 | streuner | morbius`wk: ask |
| 21:18.01 | Sultrix | then |
| 21:18.22 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, are you using XFree86-4? |
| 21:18.22 | morbius`wk | ask? |
| 21:18.23 | Sultrix | 4.x.x |
| 21:18.25 | mazze | nvz perhaps perfectly the right thing for me. I'll try it. What's the name? (Currently my X is stopped and I don't have customized my frame-buffer-device, so I've only 80x25 here and so I don't have the name of the app in my buffer)? |
| 21:18.28 | Sultrix | Hey streuner |
| 21:18.42 | streuner | Sultrix: does the mouse work now? |
| 21:18.43 | DjMadness | when will linux start udin my swap space ? |
| 21:18.43 | morbius`wk | i cant configure an IP for it... |
| 21:18.55 | mwilson | DjMadness: When it needs to. |
| 21:18.56 | streuner | morbius`wk: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:18.57 | loudspeaker | paulswm, Yeah, Vietnam wasn't the best place for the US though. Messed up alot of ppl back then. Those who dealt with all the death, and those who survived. |
| 21:19.06 | Sultrix | streuner, nah still upgrading to sid. |
| 21:19.06 | morbius`wk | streuner: ty |
| 21:19.07 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, Believe so. |
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| 21:19.17 | DjMadness | mwilson: k |
| 21:19.32 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, Is there a quick way to find out/ |
| 21:19.32 | js_ | mwilson: fucker |
| 21:19.35 | sgeigerbot | DjMadness: swap is slower than RAM...so RAM will be used only until it is full... |
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| 21:19.40 | DjMadness | shood need to very soon, i only have 87 k left |
| 21:19.51 | nvz | mazze: I like Ion, Sawfish, Kahakai, Fluxbox, and WindowMaker.. but for the most part I am so used the sawfish settings I couldnt get too awefully comfortable in anything else.. because in sawfish I can literally do anything.. I have commands like Ctrl+Alt+Button1 clicking a window kills the program, right clicking on the title bar, brings all windows under it, to the front.. etc.. just commands and features that arent possible in other WMs |
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| 21:20.06 | tempo_ | roerich: crap. it's actually an intel corp. VGA 2562. |
| 21:20.07 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, Right then do this: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /your/home/dir then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change the /dev/input/mice to /dev/psaux. |
| 21:20.08 | loudspeaker | js_, Whats with the lang? |
| 21:20.23 | js_ | nothing really |
| 21:20.23 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, XFree86 -version :) |
| 21:20.35 | iapx | lapt |
| 21:20.38 | iapx | !apt |
| 21:20.38 | dpkg | i guess apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. missing |
| 21:20.48 | iapx | mh |
| 21:20.54 | nvz | mazze: some users are only concerned with eye candy, but when you focus on functionality, and make the software work the way you are comfortable working, it really boosts your productivity |
| 21:20.56 | mazze | nvz but I must say that these features and commands _are_ possible in E. I use them, too, just like you |
| 21:21.00 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, I get the /etc/X11 part .. but the /your/home/dir ...? What do you mean? |
| 21:21.04 | iapx | I guess Mozilla is broken for sid |
| 21:21.08 | iapx | how to check |
| 21:21.12 | iapx | ./!apt what? |
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| 21:21.27 | streuner | iapx: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:21.34 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, Well your going to edit the XF86Config file by hand, so you better make a backup copy of it, I suggest you copy it to your home directory. |
| 21:21.36 | iapx | tanks |
| 21:21.40 | Sultrix | then edit the config file. |
| 21:21.41 | Vicious | paulswm: CT? |
| 21:21.42 | nvz | mazze: I havent used E. in years, everytime I try doing something, shit flips around and just makes me want to have a seizure or something |
| 21:21.43 | Vicious | what is that |
| 21:21.46 | Vicious | paulswm: ... |
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| 21:21.51 | gilbertbsd | okay. can i safely s/testing/unstable/ and do the magic? |
| 21:22.00 | mazze | nvz :) |
| 21:22.04 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, Ahh. I get it. I'll give this a shot. Thanks |
| 21:22.09 | mazze | nvz turn off edge-flipping |
| 21:22.12 | nvz | mazze: I'll check it out though if you claim it has good bindings.. |
| 21:22.19 | sgeigerbot | gilbertbsd: To upgrade testing/sarge to unstable/sid: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(testing|sarge)/sid/g; print unless /security.debian.org/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:22.26 | nvz | mazze: the good bindings is very important to me.. |
| 21:22.33 | Sultrix | loudspeaker, no problem. |
| 21:22.46 | mazze | nvz I thing I'm very used to the E-bindings, just like you to the sawfish-ones. |
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| 21:23.26 | nvz | mazze: WindowMaker I like because of its MenuEditor and prefrences, are really cool.. but its bindings are terrible.. the mouse bindings are severly limited and dont have context, and also cant be combined with keyboard strokes that I can tell. |
| 21:23.28 | mazze | nvz ALT-Middle-mouse-button for resizing window, ALT-Middle-double-click for maximum width of window... |
| 21:23.37 | gilbertbsd | okay sgeiger. |
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| 21:23.46 | iapx | well |
| 21:24.23 | iapx | mozilla bumps out saying file size limit exceded when runned from /usr/bin/mozilla, and run fine in I run it from /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin |
| 21:24.39 | nvz | mazze: the matched windows I have not seen anywhere else either.. and this is what I would always use to create the interfaces that sawfish lacks.. I would position clocks and other tools with matched windows, to customize my environment |
| 21:24.42 | iapx | any hints? broke off after a dist-upgrade an hour ago |
| 21:25.23 | roerich | iapx: runs fine here |
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| 21:25.34 | mazze | nvz what are these matched windows? I think I don't know exactly what you mean... |
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| 21:25.49 | DjMadness | i am running a dist-upgrade my self atm |
| 21:25.51 | nvz | mazze: basically thats all KDE and Gnome are, is a window manager with applications running "ignored" by the window manager, they just call them applets, and suddenly someones a genius |
| 21:25.56 | iapx | roerich, thanks. Maybe it a me-related problem |
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| 21:26.23 | loudspeaker | Sultrix, Hmmm... I get no (EE) in the XF86.0.log but it still fails and gives me a "Caught Signal 11. Server aborting" error at the end. |
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| 21:26.43 | mazze | nvz ok. And where do you use this feature? |
| 21:26.46 | roerich | iapx: are you using sid? I'm using sid here |
| 21:26.58 | streuner | loudspeaker: what videocard? |
| 21:27.01 | nvz | mazze: matched windows you click on a window, and it can grab the title, command or other variables, and the next time a window that meets those credentials appears it can apply settings to it.. like when oclock starts, position it at 350x450px at a certain size, and remove the title bar.. etc |
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| 21:27.09 | iapx | roerich, of course |
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| 21:27.39 | loudspeaker | streuner, I'm using the vesa drives, because it didn't seem to have the drivers for my ATI Radeon 8500n. |
| 21:27.45 | roerich | iapx: many people use woody with backports so I better ask |
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| 21:28.01 | streuner | loudspeaker: use the driver from ATI |
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| 21:28.05 | nvz | mazze: I used it with gnome for example, to put a pseudo-transparent terminal flattened to my desktop in the center of the screen, to run screen and irssi in. |
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| 21:28.22 | roerich | so now it's time to join my bed... |
| 21:28.25 | roerich | bye |
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| 21:28.40 | ernesto | can someone help? i keep losing my net connection a few minutes after booting the system |
| 21:28.42 | streuner | loudspeaker: should be anything their, FAQ drivers for different versions of X, just search on their side |
| 21:28.45 | mazze | nvz ok. This feature is availably in E, too, and I use it heavily. Perhaps its not as flexible (say: complete scriptable) as it might be in other WMs, but its very easy to use. |
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| 21:29.02 | iapx | very strange |
| 21:29.02 | mazze | nvz just ALT-Right-click on the Window, and select "Remember..." |
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| 21:29.15 | iapx | mozilla |
| 21:29.15 | iapx | File size limit exceeded |
| 21:29.37 | jvh | nvz - It worked :-) How can i ever thank you... Now i go the the next step choosing window mannager |
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| 21:29.57 | loudspeaker | streuner, Using the ati drivers, I get (EE) No Devices Detected. Now I know it thinks I have two video cards for some reason, though I don't |
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| 21:30.02 | bob2 | iapx: you use dash as /bin/sh |
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| 21:30.27 | nvz | mazze: is there an ignore feature? it removes the title bar and border, then the window is no longer managed by the WM |
| 21:30.29 | mazze | nvz I have to admit that it sometimes does not work perfectly, as the apps appear differently sometimes (browser crash-restores for example are sometimes not recognized by E as what they are) |
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| 21:30.37 | loudspeaker | streuner, ATI's site has drivers for Linux, but they are in RPM format. =-( |
| 21:30.42 | jvh | loudspeaker - Do you gave gaim or something ? |
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| 21:31.08 | streuner | loudspeaker: have you read the FAQ, no, you don't |
| 21:31.09 | jvh | loudspeaker - *have |
| 21:31.15 | loudspeaker | jvh, I do. My email is Mopar_pwr@hotmail.com |
| 21:31.15 | witless | and they don't support multiple X displays |
| 21:31.32 | nvz | mazze: matched windows is a very advanced feature.. although heavy users have been wanting to see a grab function to automatically grab the size and position vars.. it currently only grabs the window information.. |
| 21:31.34 | mazze | nvz of course you can remove the title bar, select any border or none, and you can select that the window is no longer in the tasklist of E. But you still can use E to kill the window, to move it or to resize it |
| 21:31.45 | witless | ow do i add the admin user to cyrus? i can't log into cyradm |
| 21:32.00 | streuner | loudspeaker: are you too special to read an FAQ |
| 21:32.14 | loudspeaker | streuner, No... |
| 21:32.19 | jvh | loudspeaker - just added you |
| 21:32.28 | Parthenogeny | is FAQ prodoucned FACK or F - A - Q, i alwas wondered that |
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| 21:32.35 | SpmP | can anyone help remove the crackling and popping from sound in xmms etc when playing ant audio other than CD. 2.6.0, alsa 1.0.1, intel8x0, thank you |
| 21:32.37 | nvz | mazze: the grab thing is really helpful in making a WM easy to use.. I am surprised we arent seeing more use of these sorts of features.. |
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| 21:32.40 | loudspeaker | streuner, I tried coverting the rpm to .deb via alien but it didn't convert. If that is what you mean. |
| 21:32.44 | mazze | nvz If you tell E to force the app next time having the same position (X,Y), on the same desktop and with the same size, this is the "Remember..." feature. E grabs these values from the current window for you. |
| 21:32.46 | bob2 | iapx: http://fnord.csbnet.se/stuff/dash_0.4.21_i386.deb |
| 21:32.48 | Vicious | i always pronounced it FAG |
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| 21:32.53 | Vicious | :P |
| 21:33.00 | streuner | loudspeaker: why? |
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| 21:33.06 | loudspeaker | jvh, Hold on a second. I'll open it up and start it |
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| 21:33.28 | nvz | mazze: yeah I figure the remember function would do that. it sacrifices some configuration, for being much easier to use. |
| 21:33.34 | bowman | how can I find out which installed package depends on fam and libfam? |
| 21:33.39 | mazze | nvz thats it |
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| 21:33.42 | loudspeaker | streuner, From what I heard, you can't install .rpm's on debian. You have to convert them. I'm fairly new to Linux btw. |
| 21:33.44 | witless | how do i add the admin user to cyrus? i can't log into cyradm |
| 21:33.51 | streuner | bowman: apt-cache show pkg |
| 21:33.53 | loudspeaker | Don't know what I'm doing. |
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| 21:34.00 | doub | hi there |
| 21:34.04 | mazze | nvz sometimes I wished more flexibility in using remembering, but E isn't as flexible in this respect. |
| 21:34.16 | streuner | loudspeaker: yep, just use 'alien --to-deb file.rpm |
| 21:34.25 | nvz | mazze: which version are you using, one included in debian? if so which dist? |
| 21:34.27 | mazze | nvz but it's very, very flexible in changing bindings (mouse/keyboard) and in customizing look and feel |
| 21:34.59 | mazze | nvz I'm using 0.16.6, which is quite old, and included in debian |
| 21:35.16 | nvz | !info enlightenment sid |
| 21:35.18 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 462 kB, Installed size: 1100 kB |
| 21:35.19 | bowman | streuner: yeah that doesn't help me though - fact is that it's only being started at boot time since the last upgrade |
| 21:35.33 | bowman | so I assume one of my programs uses it, but I don't know which one it is |
| 21:35.34 | mazze | nvz 0.17 is in development, but is far ago from being complete or usable |
| 21:35.37 | loudspeaker | streuner, I'll try it again. |
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| 21:35.42 | doub | i'm having trouble setting up my printer. after some investigation, it turns out doing a 'echo blah > /dev/lp0' (lp0 is where my printer is connected, of course ;) silently fails : no reaction whatsoever from the kernel, printer or coffee machine. anyone knows which one can be faulty ? |
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| 21:35.46 | mazze | nvz and 0.17 is a complete redesign |
| 21:36.09 | efb | Hi, i'm trying to learn how to use cvs. In my computer (Debian/SID), there is a "cvsd" and a "cvs-pserver". cvsd is the one that gets executed by /etc/init.d/cvsd, and cvs-pserver is the one that inetd tries to execute. Which one should i use, as a cvs server? Also, i have a /var/lib/cvs and a /var/lib/cvsd directory. in which of these should the projects be? |
| 21:36.11 | bob2 | e17 is always under development |
| 21:36.18 | bob2 | don't ever expect a release |
| 21:36.23 | nvz | mazze: I am going to detach this screen session, kill X and install that.. worth at least having a look at. I like changing scenery from time to time.. but as you can tell I am more about functionality, and once I find something that works well for me, I am not too eager to try it other ways |
| 21:36.25 | mazze | nvz if you try E, be sure to read the Help in the main menu (main menu is accessible trough middle-mouse-button) |
| 21:36.28 | bowman | oh, solved - thanks streuner, it was the right direction :) |
| 21:36.42 | bob2 | efb: pserver is horribly insecure |
| 21:36.56 | bob2 | doub: parallel port printer? |
| 21:36.59 | efb | bob2 so i should use cvsd? |
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| 21:37.07 | stew | e17 has been in devepmoent for what 4 years now? |
| 21:37.13 | mazze | nvz and, be sure to turn off (with right-mouse-click) these crappy help-popups after reading it once... |
| 21:37.14 | pes | doub, is lp a module ? modprobe lp |
| 21:37.20 | bob2 | efb: if you have to use cvs at all. |
| 21:37.22 | doub | bob2: yes, and name mappings seems to say that its /dev/lp0 |
| 21:37.28 | doub | pes: lp is loaded |
| 21:37.33 | nvz | mazze: yeah no kidding, thats a very unattractive feature.. |
| 21:37.39 | bob2 | doub: does "dmesg" mention it? |
| 21:37.45 | bob2 | doub: what sort of printer? |
| 21:37.52 | doub | bob2: HP deskjet 510 |
| 21:37.55 | mazze | nvz :) |
| 21:37.58 | nvz | mazze: and the only statement it makes to me, is that this wm is so fucking complicated, we figured you'd need some help ballons |
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| 21:38.13 | mazze | nvz ;) |
| 21:38.26 | bob2 | doub: what printing system are you trying to use? |
| 21:38.39 | efb | bob2 i'm trying to use cvsd, but whenever i enter a wrong password, cvsd gets blocked, and stop responding. I've strace'd it, and it is locked in a "futex" function. Is this normal? |
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| 21:38.44 | doub | bob2: dmesg is messed with firewall reject scripts, a 'grep lp /var/log/syslog' gives no result |
| 21:38.51 | doub | bob2: cups |
| 21:38.55 | nvz | well its installing, I will echo "enlightenment" > .xinitrc and reattach my screen session in enlightenment.. |
| 21:39.14 | mazze | nvz ok. |
| 21:39.25 | nvz | mazze: I must say, screen is the best window manager of all, its by far the most flexible ;) works without X |
| 21:39.28 | mazze | nvz I'll restart my bitchx, coming back in some minutes. |
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| 21:39.40 | mazze | nvz :) yeah, its very cool.... |
| 21:39.44 | doub | bob2: anyhow, if direct echoing to the device doesnt work, cups won't work much more |
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| 21:39.47 | bob2 | doub: do you have cups setup? |
| 21:40.01 | bob2 | doub: not all printers speak ASCII |
| 21:40.03 | WACO|UnderTaker | bzlib commpressed files and on .bz right ? |
| 21:40.05 | iapx | what the hell |
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| 21:40.09 | h2so4 | hi people |
| 21:40.16 | bob2 | doub: if you didn't have the module loaded, you'd get an error |
| 21:40.16 | Double-b-e-o | hy guys |
| 21:40.21 | bob2 | iapx: upgrade dash |
| 21:40.29 | iapx | dash? |
| 21:40.30 | bob2 | efb: doesn't sound like it. |
| 21:40.36 | h2so4 | what software can I use to accounting the traffic of my clients on network ?? |
| 21:40.36 | doub | bob2: this one does not, but in my previous attemps, echoing to the device yelded a page load, which is not the case |
| 21:40.42 | iapx | bob2 maybe bash? |
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| 21:40.44 | Double-b-e-o | :) |
| 21:40.47 | doub | bob2: what do you mean by 'cups setup' ? |
| 21:40.48 | bob2 | efb: if yuo've read all the docs and it still doesn't work, file a bug |
| 21:41.04 | bob2 | iapx: are you using dash or not? |
| 21:41.04 | pes | Doub any output from #lpstat -a |
| 21:41.10 | iapx | ash |
| 21:41.10 | efb | bob2 ok, i'll do it |
| 21:41.12 | iapx | bash |
| 21:41.12 | bob2 | h2so4: shorewall, ipac |
| 21:41.16 | Double-b-e-o | I've got a little problem, with my firewall (yes I'm newby) |
| 21:41.27 | bob2 | doub: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:41.28 | streuner | !n00b |
| 21:41.29 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 21:41.33 | bob2 | iapx: dpkg -l dash | tail -n1 |
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| 21:41.40 | Double-b-e-o | It' says can't locate ip_conntrack |
| 21:41.42 | doub | pes: it says 'hp510 accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00' |
| 21:41.44 | strerror | heya, i have installed 2.6 and i have issues with my BAR / BACKSLASH key under a uskeymap with a usb kb. i have fixed that by making the mod suggested on the forum's by adding a line to the us.map.gz for the ney keycode. that works fine for console but i still have the issue of no BAR / BACKSLASH key in x. any idea's how to fix that? |
| 21:41.47 | bob2 | doub: ok. |
| 21:41.50 | h2so4 | bob2 isnt ipac to kernel 2.0 and 2.2 ? |
| 21:41.52 | bob2 | doub: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:42.03 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: custom kernel? |
| 21:42.03 | bob2 | h2so4: ipac-ng then |
| 21:42.06 | h2so4 | bob2 ipac-ng |
| 21:42.07 | Double-b-e-o | yes |
| 21:42.14 | WACO|UnderTaker | bzlib commpressed files and on .bz right ? |
| 21:42.16 | h2so4 | bob2 do you know the rules ? |
| 21:42.20 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: so compile the module |
| 21:42.22 | nvz | well so far so good, the help bubbles are annoying me already, and it took about 15 sec or so longer to load on this old PC of mine, than the other WMs I normally use. |
| 21:42.26 | iapx | bob2, dpkg -l dash | tail -n1 |
| 21:42.26 | iapx | ii dash 0.4.20 The Debian Almquist Shell |
| 21:42.28 | doub | bob2: '2.4.22-xfs' |
| 21:42.37 | bob2 | Double-b-e-o: you didn't include iptables support. just use a Debian one |
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| 21:42.40 | Double-b-e-o | yeha , but where's? I can't find it |
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| 21:42.42 | bob2 | !+info dash sid |
| 21:42.44 | dpkg | dash: (The Debian Almquist Shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 0.4.20 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 21:42.53 | bob2 | iapx: so you DO HAVE DASH INSTRALLED |
| 21:42.54 | SqueegeeMan | any idea where I can learn how to get the spellchecker working in openoffice? |
| 21:42.58 | kreg | anyone here play with nintendo emulators? |
| 21:43.02 | h2so4 | bob2 does ipac-ng work whit iptables ? |
| 21:43.06 | iapx | bob2, seems so, never saw that one! |
| 21:43.11 | mazze | nvz so far so bad.... :( |
| 21:43.12 | bob2 | iapx: so upgrade it |
| 21:43.14 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: something with net, netfilter |
| 21:43.18 | tempo_ | i have two nic cards on the same machine. for some reason one of them (usally eth0) stops working for some odd reason. how do i resolve this? |
| 21:43.19 | Double-b-e-o | I've signed the option iptable support... |
| 21:43.28 | simonrvn | @wb bob2 |
| 21:43.31 | ravenbird | Welcome back bob2, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 21:43.33 | doub | bob2: maybe the printer is out of order, or the cable |
| 21:43.33 | Double-b-e-o | and all the modules below that |
| 21:43.34 | nvz | mazze: ? |
| 21:43.38 | WACO|UnderTaker | bzlib commpressed files and on .bz right ? |
| 21:43.41 | iapx | bob dash is already the newest version. did an upgrade two hours ago, that one broke |
| 21:43.41 | mazze | nvz :) |
| 21:43.42 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: take a look at the IP-Masquarding-HOWTO |
| 21:43.43 | bob2 | h2so4: duh, have a look yourself at the description |
| 21:43.45 | mazze | nvz I'm here |
| 21:43.47 | bob2 | WACO|UnderTaker: no, bzip2 |
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| 21:43.52 | bob2 | iapx: ffs |
| 21:43.56 | WACO|UnderTaker | and zlib ? |
| 21:43.57 | doub | bob2: seems like the problem doesnt come from software setup, don't you think ? |
| 21:43.57 | mazze | nvz use "Tooltip settings ..." to disable these popups |
| 21:43.58 | bob2 | iapx: I gave you the url |
| 21:43.59 | Double-b-e-o | thanks I try |
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| 21:44.06 | h2so4 | bob2 did you use it ? |
| 21:44.07 | bob2 | WACO|UnderTaker: file extensions are meaningless |
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| 21:44.10 | bob2 | h2so4: no |
| 21:44.16 | nvz | mazze: yeah I did that, just annoyed me enough in the time it took to do that.. |
| 21:44.20 | Double-b-e-o | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.30 | Double-b-e-o | It' s a promise :) |
| 21:44.31 | WACO|UnderTaker | i am wondering what gives better compression zlib or bzlib |
| 21:44.39 | Loevborg | bzlib |
| 21:44.41 | doub | bob2: unfortunately i dont have any spare cable or printer to verify this |
| 21:44.45 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: hehe :-) |
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| 21:44.58 | mazze | nvz use the middle mouse button and select help, the User Documentation |
| 21:45.02 | streuner | Double-b-e-o: just use an official kernel |
| 21:45.11 | diminished | Anyone here know the command to split the console? |
| 21:45.11 | bob2 | WACO|UnderTaker: bzip2 does, generally |
| 21:45.15 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 21:45.15 | nvz | mazze: I am looking around for how to disable some of the sliding around.. not too wild about the smooth movement of the menus and shit.. I'd rather they just clunk around to fit themselves on the screen.. gradual animation isnt very attractive on a slow PC |
| 21:45.27 | WACO|UnderTaker | ok tnx bob2 |
| 21:45.31 | iapx | bob2, what does it have to do dash with my problem |
| 21:45.40 | mazze | nvz right-mouse, then Special FX Settings |
| 21:45.46 | diminished | anyone? |
| 21:45.59 | bob2 | apt, kernel dumbass is<reply>Building your own kernel doesn't make your dick bigger, nor any other part of your anatomy. Use a Debian kernel if you have no clue. |
| 21:46.05 | | You are moron #6, bob2 |
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| 21:46.05 | bob2 | iapx: RTFBTS |
| 21:46.15 | iapx | bob2, actually it does sorry |
| 21:46.15 | nvz | mazze: yeah thats where I am.. |
| 21:46.19 | bob2 | apt, kernel dumbass is <reply>Building your own kernel doesn't make your dick bigger, nor any other part of your anatomy. Use a Debian kernel if you have no clue. |
| 21:46.21 | | bob2: please, watch your language. |
| 21:46.21 | mazze | nvz :) |
| 21:46.21 | streuner | bob2: haha |
| 21:46.35 | sussudio | er? |
| 21:46.40 | keta | dpkg, tell iapx about bts |
| 21:46.42 | bob2 | stupid bot |
| 21:46.42 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 21:46.44 | paulswm | bob2: well the first time I compiled a kernel, mine got bigger |
| 21:46.45 | sussudio | apt: badger |
| 21:46.46 | | methinks badger is something to do with bodger... and mashed potato!!! |
| 21:46.54 | bob2 | paulswm: you can get creams for that |
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| 21:47.05 | paulswm | bob2: :> |
| 21:47.14 | bob2 | doub: do you have lp and parport loaded? |
| 21:47.22 | iapx | bob2, now I see it |
| 21:47.22 | doub | bob2: yes they are |
| 21:47.27 | iapx | Keta |
| 21:47.31 | iapx | hi guy |
| 21:47.32 | nvz | mazze: the fact that the lower two workspaces are a different shade is cool. |
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| 21:47.51 | streuner | bob2: so you need that in order to run cups? *ducks* :-) |
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| 21:47.53 | keta | iapx: put the whole thing on a row, breathe and count to ten, siculo |
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| 21:48.00 | doub | bob2: although i cant see them in dmesg or syslog |
| 21:48.07 | strerror | heya, i have installed 2.6 and i have issues with my BAR / BACKSLASH key under a uskeymap with a usb kb. i have fixed that by making the mod suggested on the forum's by adding a line to the us.map.gz for the ney keycode. that works fine for console but i still have the issue of no BAR / BACKSLASH key in x. any idea's how to fix that? |
| 21:48.10 | bob2 | doub: rmmod lp ; modprobe lp |
| 21:48.15 | doub | bob2: but lsmod says they are loaded |
| 21:48.15 | mazze | nvz this is only the background images, you know ... |
| 21:48.17 | tomZet | Hi, what is a good kazaa client? |
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| 21:48.30 | bob2 | tomZet: none. OT. |
| 21:48.33 | nvz | mazze: yeah I guess the default setting is just two different gradients |
| 21:48.35 | sussudio | rmmod lp ; modprobe cd ; rmmod cd ; modprobe kazaa |
| 21:48.42 | mazze | nvz perhaps you want to install e16keyedit and e16menuedit for simpler customization |
| 21:48.45 | doub | bob2: it says in dmesg 'lp0: using parport0 (polling).' |
| 21:49.05 | bob2 | streuner: is this in the BTS somewhere? |
| 21:49.06 | tomZet | bob2, you mean there is no client that supports kazaa? |
| 21:49.15 | bob2 | tomZet: OT. |
| 21:49.25 | iapx | bob2, thanks you were kind |
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| 21:49.29 | bob2 | tomZet: you can pirate whatever you want in @gift#fasttrack |
| 21:49.36 | tomZet | bob2, what's ot? |
| 21:49.45 | RichiH | tomZet: no, there is not. get xmule or bittorrent |
| 21:49.50 | bob2 | tomZet: off-topic. #debian is not a warez channel, oddly enough. |
| 21:49.52 | mazze | nvz you can also script enlightenment-internal-commands with eesh (give "eesh" to your prompt :) ) |
| 21:49.53 | nvz | mazze: I never did understand the desktop drag bar thing.. yeah I will definatly need those, or at least to locate the config files, because I was beginning to wonder where that stuff was |
| 21:49.58 | tomZet | bob2, ok |
| 21:49.59 | RichiH | tomZet: offtopic |
| 21:50.03 | bob2 | strerror: is this in the BTS somwehere? |
| 21:50.23 | streuner | bob2: BTS? my question was, do you need parport in order to run cups at all... |
| 21:50.34 | astronut | I was installing woody, and cfdisk corrupted my partition table, end result, 3 windows partitions gone. I used gpart, and found 2 of them, however Cfdisk doesnt let me set an offset, and fdisk wont let me create new part (though i am not sure i was root) what should i do? |
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| 21:50.42 | mazze | nvz be on the 2nd desktop, then drag the desktop-dragbar, you'll see the first one, with its windows. You can also move the windows from desk to desk with it. |
| 21:50.47 | mazze | nvz I never needed it |
| 21:50.51 | streuner | bob2: a general question |
| 21:50.58 | bob2 | streuner: tab-completion gone wrong |
| 21:50.59 | nvz | mazze: I turned off everything in the settings, the menus still slide around if I open them too close to the right side.. I am not too fond of that, as like I said, those animations suck ass on a slow PC |
| 21:51.00 | mazze | nvz and therefore deactivated it. In special FX-Settings. |
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| 21:51.05 | strerror | bob2: not sure, found a solution in a gentoo forum actually. basically the kernel dev's changed the keycodes in 2.6 and it broke most / many usb kb's for a couple of keys |
| 21:51.06 | streuner | bob2: ohh |
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| 21:51.37 | strerror | bob2: the fix is easy enough, just assign the old values to the new keycodes, ie modify /usr/share/keymaps/etc/etc/default.map.gz |
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| 21:52.13 | strerror | bob2: the real problem i am having is that on the console while things are now fine, x still can't recognise it, this is despite using setxkbmap and xmodmap to specify one of my modifed maps |
| 21:52.23 | XpTerminator | hello |
| 21:52.26 | strerror | ~new keycodes |
| 21:52.30 | | botAbusers<Loser *>.push_back(new keycodes); |
| 21:52.35 | paulswm | astronut: check out sfdisk |
| 21:52.40 | mazze | nvz If you open a menu, quite on the left of the screen, and then go into a submenu, both menus are scrolled to left, to make the submenu fit on the visible screen. I'm not happy now to say, that this cannot be deactivated. |
| 21:52.41 | bob2 | strerror: file a bug on whichever package has those files |
| 21:52.43 | astronut | tkyou |
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| 21:53.16 | nvz | mazze: yeah. I do believe this WM was not designed to be light on resources |
| 21:53.22 | mazze | nvz but try to stick a menu: Hold down you preferred mouse-button, don't release it, go to the menu you want, point at the title bar, and release then the mouse-button. |
| 21:53.23 | bob2 | strerror: if sarge doesn't work out-of-the-box with 2.6, people will bitch for the next two years |
| 21:53.27 | iapx | bob2 it works, thanks again! |
| 21:53.29 | astronut | paulswm: apt-get doesnt have it, and its not on ssystem |
| 21:53.35 | mazze | nvz you're right. |
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| 21:53.51 | strerror | bob2: ya, still any thoughts on how to get x to recognise the new keymap? |
| 21:53.53 | paulswm | astronut: or you can use gpart to write the partition table, "man gpart" the -W option |
| 21:54.12 | astronut | paulswm: the way i read it, it only wrote primary |
| 21:54.13 | bob2 | strerror: xmodmap? xkeycaps should make it pretty easy. |
| 21:54.16 | johan | does anybody here know which package that contains the "fixed" font? |
| 21:54.25 | streuner | bob2: if they haven't the latest support you have prolly the same :-) |
| 21:54.26 | astronut | my gpart output is here: http://astronut.hopto.org/gpart.txt |
| 21:54.30 | strerror | bob2: nope, been using xmodmap and setxkbmap ... no go |
| 21:54.32 | nvz | mazze: I think a WM should be as light as possible providing all needed functionality.. which this WM crosses the boundaries, which makes it more monolithic of a WM |
| 21:54.32 | bob2 | johan: install x-window-system-core |
| 21:54.40 | johan | i figure the reason why i dont see the menu fonts in fluxbox is that i dont hav ethe fonts |
| 21:54.43 | johan | bob2: okay, thanks |
| 21:55.06 | paulswm | astronut: you *should* have sfdisk, it's in util-linux, which is an essential package I thought |
| 21:55.34 | iapx | ahaha |
| 21:55.41 | mazze | nvz you're right. E is focused on configurability, flexibility, themeability with heavily changeable look and feel. It's designed to be very powerful, not to be light. |
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| 21:55.47 | nvz | mazze: thats why I prefer gnome to kde, kde is more monolithic, gnome gives you a choice of WM, and all gnome components are simple plugins that can be added or removed as needed.. this is what userland is really all about |
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| 21:55.52 | mazze | nvz perhaps not the real thing on an old machine |
| 21:56.12 | astronut | paulswm: let me check again |
| 21:56.20 | astronut | ahhh, got it |
| 21:56.30 | nvz | mazze: its a revolutionary concept, really, this Enlightenment, but its not what I would call a WM or a drop-in replacement for one |
| 21:56.32 | astronut | its in sbin, i first typed it as an uprivliged user |
| 21:56.32 | astronut | sry |
| 21:56.35 | Justin__ | nvz: gnome gives you a choise of a WM, all of which suck |
| 21:56.35 | astronut | stupid mistake |
| 21:56.46 | mazze | nvz did you already try "Remember ... " :) |
| 21:57.08 | nvz | mazze: not yet. I'll try it with this aterm I have open |
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| 21:57.27 | nvz | Justin__: I thought you could use _any_ WM with gnome.. fluxbox, icewm, metacity, sawfish.. etc |
| 21:57.35 | paulswm | astronut: careful with it, use sfdisk -d to save your partition table before messing with it, so you can recover if you screw it up :) |
| 21:57.41 | astronut | ok, gotya |
| 21:57.47 | astronut | i can also do that w/ dd, right? |
| 21:57.52 | Justin__ | nvz: you can use any WM with kde too, if you dont mind certain things not working |
| 21:58.10 | astronut | oh, one other question, how can i get the term's to clear on logout? |
| 21:58.10 | witless | is there a script to create ssl certs for cyrus imap? |
| 21:58.13 | elkrammer | how do i configure my system so tty11 logs kernel messages instead of throwing them to tty1. It's really anoying to be typing with kernel messages appearing at the screen |
| 21:58.14 | Justin__ | nvz: you can use any WM with gnome, and it doesnt matter much, because nothing works no matter which WM you are using |
| 21:58.19 | nvz | Justin__: can you give an example. is it things like desktop contect menuse? |
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| 21:58.31 | mazze | nvz I wouldn't be too strict with the definition of what a WM is. There is so much a WM has to do, may do, perhaps shouldn't do -- from twm along to gnome with metacity. It's a matter of what you want your WM to do. |
| 21:58.36 | elkrammer | real, mamalo |
| 21:58.40 | nvz | Justin__: interference with bindings and such? |
| 21:58.42 | Justin__ | nvz: maximize a window in kde, and hide the panel, what what happens |
| 21:58.45 | witless | metacity sucks horribly. |
| 21:58.50 | real | elkrammer suck it bitch |
| 21:58.51 | Justin__ | s/what what/watch what/ |
| 21:59.00 | Cire | ./configure returns "c compiler cannot create executables". Google returned a lot of people having the same problem, but I didn't find a solution which solved it for me. |
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| 21:59.11 | nvz | Justin__: I dont know, and I am not installing 200Megs of packages to find out.. the panel jumps on top? |
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| 21:59.18 | bob2 | Cire: install build-essential |
| 21:59.24 | bob2 | Cire: all those peopel are dumbasses |
| 21:59.26 | SlayerXP | evening |
| 21:59.31 | Justin__ | nvz: no, the panel hides, and the window resizes to fill the screen |
| 21:59.33 | Cire | bob2: as me? *g* |
| 21:59.37 | quaqo | Bye |
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| 22:00.00 | bob2 | elkrammer: add -c3 to the KLOGD= lines in /etc/init.d/klogd, restart klogd |
| 22:00.02 | nvz | Justin__: that seems like the desired result, I thought you were pointing out something undesireable? |
| 22:00.10 | bob2 | elkrammer: console-log will let you drop them on tty11 |
| 22:00.19 | Justin__ | nvz: yes, try the same thing in gnome |
| 22:00.26 | elkrammer | bob2, thanks a lot :) |
| 22:00.33 | astronut | how can i get terminals to clear on logout? |
| 22:00.33 | real | elkrammer suck dicker |
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| 22:00.54 | bob2 | what a moron. |
| 22:01.12 | SlayerXP | I have created a spamtrap for myself |
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| 22:01.20 | iapx | ok |
| 22:01.22 | nvz | mazze: no gnome is not a WM, its a desktop environment, and that is what I am saying about the definition of a WM, I think the WMs should be designed to be as independant of and as flexible with the desktop environment as possible.. alot of these features in enlightenment could stand to be add-ons and not part of the WM itself |
| 22:01.24 | baz | ok, stupid question time. installing sarge on this laptop. I think I've got all gdm and gnome2 stuff installed, by twm is still managing my windows - what did I miss? |
| 22:01.25 | SlayerXP | no I just need to wait for nominet to rebuild their db to make it go live |
| 22:01.41 | bob2 | baz: install another window manager |
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| 22:01.49 | baz | bob2: aha, doh. metacity |
| 22:01.56 | iapx | it's just fine. Mozilla runs again and I can sleep fine. Thanks bob2 |
| 22:01.59 | nvz | Justin__: well with gnome that doesnt work, the panels reserve that space and will not allow the window to take fullscreen, so I guess I see what you are saying |
| 22:02.09 | Braindead | baz: use update-alternatives |
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| 22:02.21 | baz | Braindead, thanks |
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| 22:02.35 | streuner | baz: /msg dpkg wm |
| 22:02.35 | baz | Braindead, long time since I actually installed/used X on debian |
| 22:02.39 | Kempston| | how can ifind out / change ,max number of open sockets in system ? |
| 22:02.42 | nvz | Justin__: what I was saying applies in some cases too, the bindings in gnome/nautilus can often conflict with a WM of choice, and if its a less configurable WM that can create some real problems |
| 22:02.42 | baz | streuner, tnx |
| 22:02.48 | paulswm | astronut: sorry was away, I've not used dd for partition table work |
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| 22:02.52 | astronut | k |
| 22:02.55 | SlayerXP | mentor: please do :) |
| 22:03.00 | astronut | gpart man file mentions it |
| 22:03.04 | bob2 | Kempston|: it's almost certainly not a problem |
| 22:03.04 | astronut | for backing up the table |
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| 22:03.20 | astronut | paulswm: looking at my output, do you think -W woudl work? |
| 22:03.22 | Kempston| | bob2 surebut how ? :) |
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| 22:03.30 | bob2 | Kempston|: surebut why? |
| 22:03.33 | charles | Hi, I just repartitionned a member of a RAID 5 array (I umounted and raidstopped the array before), I used fdisk and wrote the partition table, but it is now stuck at the line : calling ioctl to re-read table, there is no disk activity at all. I am wondering what I should do ? I am running kernel 2.6.1 |
| 22:03.35 | mazze | nvz yes, but at the E was created, gnome was in a very early stadium. And I of course know, that Gnome is not a WM, but as E was later designed to work with Gnome and I know some people using E with Gnome. Nevertheless I clearly prefer using a WM like E alone and don't use a complete Desktop-Environment. |
| 22:03.53 | paulswm | astronut: I expect so, and if it doesn't you can restore with gpart I think |
| 22:04.00 | Kempston| | bob2 couse i want to speed up my network |
| 22:04.07 | Kempston| | for p2p |
| 22:04.12 | bob2 | Kempston|: haha |
| 22:04.16 | SlayerXP | it's all userland trivia |
| 22:04.18 | astronut | ok |
| 22:04.24 | mwilson | When was E designed to work with Gnome? |
| 22:04.25 | Kempston| | bob2 haha ? |
| 22:04.28 | bob2 | Kempston|: more " open sockets" won't help |
| 22:04.34 | Kempston| | :))) |
| 22:04.39 | SlayerXP | "can I do the work I need to do without be obstructed by the gui?" "yes, then that'll do" |
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| 22:04.41 | Kempston| | why won`t it and what will ? |
| 22:04.42 | bob2 | Kempston|: increasing the nymber of open sockets doesn't even mean anything. |
| 22:04.46 | mwilson | As opposed to Gnome designed to work with E? Somehow I think rasterman would have issues with that. |
| 22:04.53 | bob2 | Kempston|: what do you actually mean? |
| 22:04.59 | Kempston| | well |
| 22:05.07 | Justin__ | mwilson: E supports the gnome wm hints |
| 22:05.08 | Kempston| | on same pc i get 1MB/s in windows |
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| 22:05.14 | Kempston| | andlike 30 kb/s in linux |
| 22:05.15 | nvz | mazze: what I am saying is for me, for example who has a slow PC and doesnt need alot of this stuff, this window manager isnt very flexible in that respect |
| 22:05.23 | doub | i'm having quite some trouble with the 'killall' command : each time i call 'killall whatever' (where whatever can be anything you want, an existing argv[0] or whatever, i get 'éÿÿÿèLüÿÿëÖéÄýÿÿÇ$: no process killed' |
| 22:05.25 | bob2 | only for the past month |
| 22:05.26 | mwilson | Justin__: Lots of window managers do. |
| 22:05.28 | mazze | mwilson I must admit that I don't know really the gory details here... |
| 22:05.29 | Kempston| | that`s weird don`t you thiinkso ? |
| 22:05.33 | SlayerXP | Kempston|: easy solution: use windows. |
| 22:05.42 | Kempston| | SlayerXP no i can`t |
| 22:05.42 | mazze | nvz I completely agree with you. |
| 22:06.00 | SlayerXP | -Kempston|- VERSION Trillian |
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| 22:06.07 | mwilson | Justin__: Since the Gnome hints are depreciated in favor of EWMH, though, that doesn't mean much. E only gained any sort of EWMH-compliance recently. |
| 22:06.14 | Kempston| | SlayerXP i needtobe able tomodify sources and stuff |
| 22:06.18 | mazze | nvz But I was so used to E that I always use it on my laptop, a 14MB RAM 386SX with 640x480x8bit |
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| 22:06.32 | doub | it seems, as of comparing a running version on another host with this one, with strace, that the problem comes from some lib, namely libc as its the only one linked. however, reinstalling libc doesnt solve the problem |
| 22:06.36 | Kempston| | bob2 ? |
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| 22:06.43 | mazze | nvz Used it as a simple X-Station, the clients (browser and so on) run somewhere other... |
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| 22:07.07 | nvz | well you need to get real.. heh.. because from my standpoint, this does nothing that I cant with a little modification add-on to another WM, and has way too much that I cant turn off |
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| 22:07.15 | amarillo | what are all this *gz files in /var/log ? |
| 22:07.21 | SlayerXP | anyway |
| 22:07.22 | SlayerXP | bedtime |
| 22:07.23 | maestro | hallo, i want to install mozilla from backports but apt doesnt let me. it says unmet dependencies |
| 22:07.24 | Braindead | amarillo: viruses |
| 22:07.32 | amarillo | Braindead: no, really |
| 22:07.36 | Braindead | old logs |
| 22:07.37 | mwilson | maestro: Yes, so satisfy the dependencies. |
| 22:07.41 | amarillo | ill rm them |
| 22:07.41 | Braindead | logrotate did it |
| 22:07.45 | mazze | nvz perhaps, you're right, E is not the thing you are looking for... |
| 22:07.45 | bob2 | doub: run debsums |
| 22:07.47 | charles | Hi, I just repartitionned a member of a RAID 5 array (I umounted and raidstopped the array before), I used fdisk and wrote the partition table, but it is now stuck at the line : calling ioctl to re-read table, there is no disk activity at all. I am wondering what I should do ? I am running kernel 2.6.1 |
| 22:07.52 | maestro | mwilson: and how |
| 22:07.54 | bob2 | charles: reboot |
| 22:07.57 | mwilson | amarillo: Why would you delete them? |
| 22:08.00 | nvz | mazze: I do see it as a very revolutionary idea, and to me for as old as it is, it still seems to be before its time, if that time ever comes |
| 22:08.05 | amarillo | /var/log alone is 521 mb, mwilson |
| 22:08.07 | baz | this isn't the wm you're looking for. move along. |
| 22:08.16 | nvz | mazze: its got a futuristic sense about it |
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| 22:08.30 | bob2 | amarillo: so figure out WHY you have so many log files. |
| 22:08.34 | amarillo | mwilson: whats ksysmoops ? |
| 22:08.34 | mazze | nvz But at work I have a 1Ghz desktop-PC, and I'm used to E's look and feel, so it's very hard to me to think about a change in this respect :)) |
| 22:08.36 | mwilson | amarillo: So? |
| 22:08.41 | amarillo | ksysmoops is 400mb |
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| 22:08.44 | amarillo | i need space |
| 22:08.47 | charles | bob2: have you ever encountered this bug ? |
| 22:08.50 | Speuler | 'evening |
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| 22:09.01 | baz | amarillo, hard drives are very cheap right now |
| 22:09.04 | amarillo | mwilson: whats ksysmoops? |
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| 22:09.13 | bob2 | charles: it's not a bug, the kernel doesn't really re-read partition tables except at rboot. |
| 22:09.15 | Kempston| | bob2 so how can i deal with sockets ? |
| 22:09.17 | mwilson | amarillo: Google is your friend. |
| 22:09.17 | amarillo | baz: but I have two already, i acnt any others |
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| 22:09.25 | astronut | paulswm: thanks for the help |
| 22:09.27 | bob2 | Kempston|: you don't know what a socket is, stop talking about them. |
| 22:09.29 | simpoir | I am using ssh -R to tunnel and let someone connect to my server, behind a firewall. Is there a way to let him accept connections so other people can use that tunnel? |
| 22:09.34 | amarillo | ill erase them |
| 22:09.37 | baz | lol bob2, direct and to the point eh |
| 22:09.37 | paulswm | astronut: did it work? |
| 22:09.39 | mazze | nvz and E17 (E 0.17) is going to me more a "Desktop Shell", as the author says, and to be a replacement for Gnome or KDE, to be a desktop-environment itsself. |
| 22:09.48 | mazze | nvz of course, with eyecandy :)) |
| 22:09.57 | mazze | nvz www.enlightenment.org |
| 22:10.06 | Kempston| | i`m not talking i`m asking |
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| 22:10.15 | Kempston| | thischan is for newbies help isn`t it ? |
| 22:10.16 | Speuler | swapd asks for /swap directory, but as soon as i create that dir, and start swapd, cpu load goes up to 95% and stays there. w/o /swap, swapd doesn't start, and cpu load is normal. |
| 22:10.25 | Speuler | with 2.6,that is |
| 22:10.28 | amarillo | mwilson: too late, theyre gone |
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| 22:10.45 | amarillo | mwilson: i gues kernels logs.. |
| 22:10.48 | Speuler | q: do i really want swapd ? |
| 22:11.24 | Nurbs | swapd? /swap directory? |
| 22:11.25 | nvz | mazze: yeah the eye-candy should not be part of the WM.. the window manager has a simple job, to place a frame around a program's visuals, and allow you to interact with them.. docks, panels, desktops, applets all these things should be optional and independant of the WM |
| 22:11.37 | bob2 | Kempston|: if there is a problem, it's not with the number of "open sockets" |
| 22:11.47 | Speuler | Nurbs, yeah. created to keep swapd from complaining. |
| 22:11.54 | Nurbs | what swapd? |
| 22:11.58 | Speuler | Nurbs, removed it again to keep me from complaining |
| 22:11.58 | paulswm | amarillo: you can use logrotate to control the amount of logs saved |
| 22:12.16 | Speuler | swapd 0.2 (May 21, 2000), copyright Neven Lovric <nlovric@linux.hr> |
| 22:12.20 | amarillo | paulswm: I dunno, I use fluxbox, but this kde app "filelight" is saving me money.. i dont have to buy a new hd |
| 22:12.30 | Nurbs | Speuler: what is that? where does one enable that? :p |
| 22:12.35 | Kempston| | bob2 maybe, but i have to do something, you arenot saying anyhting else |
| 22:12.37 | nvz | mazze: I still believe sawfish and kahakai have done this best.. fluxbox, windowmaker, icewm, enlightenment are all examples of a different approach on desktop environments, they are alot more than just a WM |
| 22:12.55 | bob2 | Kempston|: you need more magic smoke |
| 22:12.55 | Nurbs | oh. |
| 22:12.57 | mazze | nvz I cannot tell you're not right. But from my point of view, E16 is a WM, a quite powerful, perhaps overpowered one, but not light. And E17 seems to be a Desktop-Environment |
| 22:13.05 | Nurbs | Speuler: dynamic swap file creation, heh |
| 22:13.12 | Speuler | ah ok |
| 22:13.12 | Kempston| | bob2 canyoube serious ? |
| 22:13.14 | amarillo | is E17 ever going to be out? |
| 22:13.18 | mwilson | How is fluxcrap "more than a wm"? |
| 22:13.20 | Speuler | i don't want that :) |
| 22:13.21 | paulswm | nvz: I didn't see if you were using gnome or not, but metacity is a light, fast WM |
| 22:13.23 | bob2 | Kempston|: you can't just make things up and say that's your solution. |
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| 22:13.32 | bob2 | Kempston|: what is the ACTUAL PROBLEM? |
| 22:13.38 | baz | mwilson, seen new versions? taskbars, icons etc |
| 22:13.39 | paulswm | nvz: not the usual bloatware |
| 22:13.43 | Kempston| | low speed |
| 22:13.46 | Nurbs | Speuler: uh, you should know what it's for, given that you installed it ;) whether it's normal that it takes that much CPU I don't know :) |
| 22:13.52 | mwilson | paulswm: Actually, metashitty is nothing without Gnome to back it up. |
| 22:13.55 | nvz | mazze: just has a little bar thingy with a workspace/window switcher and a clock.. its not that far out there.. its lightweight and pretty much is just a WM |
| 22:14.00 | nvz | mwilson: ^ |
| 22:14.06 | Kempston| | i`d rather say unusuallylow speed |
| 22:14.12 | mwilson | baz: None of which *fluxcrap* has. It's just additional programs. |
| 22:14.22 | amarillo | mwilson: what do u use? |
| 22:14.33 | Speuler | Nurbs, no dep on swapd ... no idea how it got there *g* |
| 22:14.58 | baz | mwilson, I'm assuming "fluxcrap" == fluxbox. The fluxbox 0.9 versions do have taskbars and icon support built in |
| 22:15.01 | mwilson | amarillo: I don't know anyone named "u". |
| 22:15.06 | mazze | nvz philosophicum... |
| 22:15.13 | amarillo | mwilson: what wm do you use? |
| 22:15.21 | baz | mwilson, at least under gentoo stable, haven't looked for fb0.9* in debian yet |
| 22:15.23 | nvz | paulswm: no I play with gnome, I cant find any way to actually make use of it, I just end up wasting time.. heh.. I couldnt ever get metacity to work, doesnt seem to have a root menu or anything I guess you can only use it with gnome? |
| 22:15.28 | mwilson | baz: Really. You were going to tell the developers this? They seem to think those are provided by additional applications. |
| 22:15.49 | baz | mwilson, I haven't read the source code, but I installed one package, "fluxbox", and these were provided |
| 22:16.01 | mwilson | baz: Somehow I think they know more about it. |
| 22:16.09 | doub | where are the gtk2 font specs hidden ? i dont have gnome running, and my 75 dpi X server renders gtk2 apps with unreadable tiny fonts... |
| 22:16.11 | Kempston| | bob2 so ? |
| 22:16.33 | doub | where is it possible to modify this setting? |
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| 22:16.42 | bob2 | Kempston|: so buy cds instead of pirating them. |
| 22:16.42 | bob2 | Kempston|: /msg dpkg d-u |
| 22:16.55 | astronut | how can i get terminals to clear on logout? |
| 22:17.16 | bob2 | doub: fontconfig, install gtk-theme-switch |
| 22:17.20 | baz | astronut, echo clear >>~/.bash_logout |
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| 22:17.31 | Kempston| | how does buying cd have anythingtodo with speed ? and how the hell do youknow what am i downloading ? |
| 22:17.31 | baz | astronut, assuming you're using bash |
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| 22:17.40 | dondelelcaro | astronut: which terminals are you talking about? |
| 22:17.46 | baz | Kempston|, we're sniffing your traffic |
| 22:17.49 | mwilson | astronut: Add a form-feed to /etc/issue |
| 22:17.50 | nvz | well I got to get out of enlightenment, I am having troubble functioning properly.. I am a little more knowlagable on it, but I dont see anything desireable about it that I cant do with less aggrivation elsewhere |
| 22:18.03 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: or the clear character... |
| 22:18.05 | amarillo | mwilson: I think youre the biggest son of a bitch on freenode |
| 22:18.15 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: "clear character"? |
| 22:18.18 | Kempston| | baz you do not |
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| 22:18.23 | Kempston| | anyone else want to help me ? |
| 22:18.25 | mwilson | amarillo: I'm happy for you. |
| 22:18.38 | amarillo | mwilson: change your attitude |
| 22:18.40 | astronut | mwilson: pardon? form feed being \f? |
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| 22:18.41 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: what clear outputs... [probably a formfeed on most terminals] |
| 22:18.51 | LoRez | amarillo: don't tell people what to do |
| 22:18.56 | dondelelcaro | amarillo: that's nice. If you don't like someone, just ignore them. |
| 22:18.59 | mwilson | amarillo: Grow a brain. Then we'll see about my attitude. |
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| 22:19.16 | amarillo | mwilson: im just suggesting to you to be nicer. and answer, or at least say, i dont want to answer |
| 22:19.19 | bob2 | Kempston|: 09:04:00 Kempston| | bob2 couse i want to speed up my network |
| 22:19.22 | bob2 | Kempston|: 09:04:07 Kempston| | for p2p |
| 22:19.31 | bob2 | Kempston|: sorry, maybe you're downloading pr0n. |
| 22:19.34 | astronut | mwilson: how would i add one? |
| 22:19.36 | Kempston| | damn, this chan was so good when i`ve installed debian |
| 22:19.39 | mwilson | amarillo: In relation to...? |
| 22:19.45 | Kempston| | now it`s WAY worster |
| 22:19.47 | bob2 | Kempston|: /msg dpkg d-u |
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| 22:20.09 | mwilson | astronut: Uh, with an editor? |
| 22:20.16 | dondelelcaro | !be Kempston is <reply> It's like, WAY worster, dude. |
| 22:20.16 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 22:20.20 | amarillo | mwilson: dont act all intelectual now, in relation to that i asked you a question, many, you didnt answer, and i dont like your attitude, so i will just go and ignore you, and problem solved |
| 22:20.25 | nvz | Kempston|: worster isnt a word, and this channel is like any other group of people, perhaps you have to work on your social skills |
| 22:20.27 | astronut | mwilson: yes, but formfeed charecters are usually not on the keyboard..... |
| 22:20.37 | bob2 | Kempston|: /msg dpkg d-u |
| 22:20.53 | mwilson | Wow... I wasn't aware I had to answer his questions. No one told me about that requirement. Where were they posted? |
| 22:20.57 | ckearney | How can I figure out which driver my linux system is using for its ethernet card? |
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| 22:21.02 | baz | nvz, to be fair, it's not like just any other group of people. in fact, I can't think of any other group of people it's even slightly like :) |
| 22:21.20 | Braindead | ckearney: lsmod could help |
| 22:21.26 | dondelelcaro | amarillo: again, stop attacking people in the channel please. If you don't like their attitude, ignore them. |
| 22:21.35 | paulswm | astronut: you could creat a ~/.bash_logout and add the command "clear" |
| 22:21.43 | baz | ckearney, dmesg? lsmod? |
| 22:21.44 | amarillo | dondelelcaro: Ok, then ill ignore you too |
| 22:21.54 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 22:21.59 | ckearney | got it, thanks guys |
| 22:22.03 | dondelelcaro | amarillo: go right ahead. I obviously can't stop you. |
| 22:22.03 | bob2 | amarillo: stop it |
| 22:22.06 | astronut | paulswm: i want it for every shell though.... |
| 22:22.08 | baz | amarillo, this channel is going to get very quiet for you very soon at this rate ;) |
| 22:22.15 | astronut | i like mwilson's idea, just dont know how to do it |
| 22:22.17 | amarillo | baz: and where did you come from? |
| 22:22.22 | Vilim | is the sarge CD I would make with the unofficial jigdo files bootable/installable? |
| 22:22.24 | amarillo | lets cut it off |
| 22:22.26 | nvz | baz: I mean everyone is different, and subject to their environment and emotional state.. and you should be able to interact with people no matter what the situation may be, or else you have what is known as a communication problem |
| 22:22.28 | baz | amarillo, in the beginning, my parents loved each other very much. |
| 22:22.44 | paulswm | baz: heh |
| 22:22.51 | The_Vulture | nvz: I think that's a little general, some people can be in some pretty messed up states |
| 22:22.52 | sussudio | baz: that wasn't love, that was wild badgersex |
| 22:23.04 | baz | sussudio, dang, you've sprung me |
| 22:23.05 | nailzy | lol |
| 22:23.17 | astronut | paulswm: ur idea works, but every user has to do it |
| 22:23.19 | baz | I am badgerboy |
| 22:23.25 | sussudio | !badger |
| 22:23.25 | dpkg | badger is, like, something to do with bodger... and mashed potato!!! |
| 22:23.30 | sussudio | damn. |
| 22:23.32 | baz | !mashed potato |
| 22:23.38 | baz | curses |
| 22:23.45 | mazze | ncurses? |
| 22:23.45 | nvz | The_Vulture: yeah well there are still ways to communcate.. for example a crazy hoodlum with a gun communicates in bullets, but communicates non-the-less |
| 22:23.59 | astronut | is there a prepend redirector? i know ">>" will append... |
| 22:24.05 | sussudio | baz: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 22:24.05 | cafuego | astronut: no. |
| 22:24.13 | astronut | hmmm |
| 22:24.18 | dondelelcaro | astronut: you want it to append, actually. |
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| 22:24.30 | astronut | dondelelcaro: not to /etc/issue |
| 22:24.33 | The_Vulture | nvz: I'd call that interaction, not necessarily communication (well communication that both parties can effectively understand and use), but if you classify any interaction as communication then it's hard to say that anyone has a communication problem |
| 22:24.40 | astronut | cause it would wipe the screen, THEN display issue |
| 22:24.42 | The_Vulture | my mere existence is interaction of a form |
| 22:24.44 | astronut | if i prepend |
| 22:24.44 | dondelelcaro | astronut: nah, to .bash_logout. |
| 22:24.48 | The_Vulture | my name shows up in the result of /names |
| 22:24.51 | astronut | dondelelcaro: ah, clear woked |
| 22:24.53 | astronut | i did that already |
| 22:25.04 | astronut | dondelelcaro: but that is user by user, issue is global |
| 22:25.09 | loudspeaker | When downloading something from Links .. where is the default dir it puts it in? |
| 22:25.21 | nvz | The_Vulture: interesting.. I say interaction is communication.. whens the last time you see a bee say, hey man come over here, lets make a nest? |
| 22:25.23 | sirrulez | can anyone tell me agood working irc proxy? |
| 22:25.30 | cafuego | astronut: $EDITOR /etc/issue; insert ^]c (ctrl-esc-c) |
| 22:25.31 | sirrulez | besides polarhost |
| 22:25.36 | The_Vulture | nvz: what's that got to do with the price of fish? |
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| 22:25.38 | astronut | ah, thanks |
| 22:25.40 | nvz | The_Vulture: they do little dances and shit when they land, its called body language |
| 22:25.43 | dondelelcaro | astronut: if you want it to append, open it up in a text editor and import the output of clear. For most shells it's either ^F or ESC [ H ESC [ J |
| 22:25.44 | sussudio | ~tell sirrulez about search |
| 22:25.46 | The_Vulture | nvz: and? |
| 22:25.54 | Double-b-e-o | mmmh I'm back for a few |
| 22:25.55 | nvz | The_Vulture: its a form of communication |
| 22:25.58 | The_Vulture | great |
| 22:26.01 | The_Vulture | I never said it wasn't |
| 22:26.08 | Double-b-e-o | another quest |
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| 22:26.14 | sirrulez | [apt(ibot@c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net)] sussudio wants you to know: extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you |
| 22:26.14 | sirrulez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.14 | sirrulez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.14 | sirrulez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.15 | dondelelcaro | astronut: although, it's up to you to figure out how to get your editor to insert ESC [ H and ESC [ J... |
| 22:26.15 | The_Vulture | that doesn't mean there aren't interactions that are not effective forms of communication |
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| 22:26.26 | nvz | The_Vulture: to a crazed unreasonable lunatic a bullet in the knee is communication |
| 22:26.28 | dondelelcaro | streuner: please don't paste here. |
| 22:26.35 | dondelelcaro | s/streuner/sirrulez/ |
| 22:26.38 | sussudio | !hig sirrulez |
| 22:26.48 | sirrulez | sorry bout that |
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| 22:26.58 | sirrulez | I was just right clicking in my ssh shell |
| 22:26.59 | sirrulez | :) |
| 22:27.07 | sirrulez | <-- n00b |
| 22:27.24 | Mave | we eat n00bs here |
| 22:27.27 | Double-b-e-o | when someone build his custom kernel , must also apply a patch? |
| 22:27.27 | The_Vulture | nvz: it may be quite hard to tell what he's communicating, and if there is no agreed upon protocol, it's not a very useful communication (how do I know if he's shooting me in the knee because I stole his crack, beat his hoe, or shot one of his cronies?) |
| 22:27.32 | Double-b-e-o | how? |
| 22:27.32 | cafuego | we do? |
| 22:27.33 | Braindead | sirrulez: n00b using windows... |
| 22:27.35 | sirrulez | :) |
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| 22:27.47 | sirrulez | hey, I'm an adept, cut me some slack |
| 22:27.50 | The_Vulture | nvz: in any case, as I said, if all interaction is communication, it's hard to say someone can't communicate with someone else |
| 22:28.04 | The_Vulture | just standing here I am communicating with people, even if I sit still as a post.. |
| 22:28.20 | sgeigerbot | About every 2 seconds the sound of xine cuts out. I wonder whether that is caused by the hard drive flushing to disk. I have shut down all the hefty processess...and I can often on this machine watch this movie without a problem. I wonder what might be different now... I have seen this issue before, but I avoided it in the past by freeing up a bunch of memory by shuting down server apps that I don't really need to have runnin |
| 22:28.20 | sgeigerbot | g on this laptop. |
| 22:28.22 | Double-b-e-o | :) |
| 22:28.28 | caphuso | dondelelcaro, astronut: clear > /etc/issue |
| 22:28.30 | nvz | The_Vulture: thanks for clearing that up.. |
| 22:28.35 | paulswm | !n00b |
| 22:28.35 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:28.39 | streuner | dondelelcaro: next time be careful, i got almost an heartattack :-) |
| 22:28.40 | sgeigerbot | ...but often it is the case that freeing up memory doesn't fix the problem. any ideas? |
| 22:28.52 | Mave | caphuso: smart.. |
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| 22:28.56 | nvz | The_Vulture: I understood it after the interactions can be communication comment, just didnt register right away |
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| 22:29.16 | The_Vulture | rightio |
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| 22:29.49 | kawfee | sussudio: hi |
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| 22:29.54 | nvz | The_Vulture: eupraxophy is my philosophy.. and its basically about being able to deal with whats in front of you, like your disagreement, and my ability to understand it, without any anti-social whining behavior |
| 22:30.00 | kawfee | DanC_jam: turn on ident |
| 22:30.01 | sussudio | kawfee: badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 22:30.07 | kawfee | sussudio: WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA! |
| 22:30.14 | sussudio | kawfee: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 22:30.32 | Double-b-e-o | ? |
| 22:30.46 | Double-b-e-o | :) |
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| 22:31.28 | astronut | caphuso: that makes the most sense.... |
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| 22:31.50 | astronut | actualy cp /etc/issue /tmp && clear > /etc/issue && cat /tmp/issue >> /etc/issue |
| 22:31.58 | Justin__ | sussudio: badgerbadgerbadger.com |
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| 22:32.21 | The_Vulture | nvz: righty dokey then |
| 22:32.27 | frealek | please someone tell me if /usr/include/X11 and /usr/include/ncurses.h are the only two symlinks in /usr/include ... thanks in advance... :-/ |
| 22:32.50 | kawfee | cafuego: did you find me a wife? |
| 22:32.51 | nvz | The_Vulture: anyway, is The_Chicken officially dead, since you ate him? |
| 22:33.13 | hallux | Can anyone tell me why crontab -e does not save my changes? |
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| 22:33.15 | cafuego | kawfee: Yeah, her name is Boris, she's quite eager to make you her bitch. |
| 22:33.15 | astronut | that did it |
| 22:33.16 | loudspeaker | Besides links, what is the other prgram for viewing webpages via text? W something? |
| 22:33.17 | astronut | thanks for the help |
| 22:33.25 | caphuso | hallux: how are you exiting your editor? |
| 22:33.29 | Vicious | loudspeaker: w3m |
| 22:33.36 | hallux | caphuso: :wq (vim) |
| 22:33.38 | Mave | loudspeaker: telnet |
| 22:33.40 | loudspeaker | Vicious, Great. Thanks |
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| 22:33.53 | paulswm | frealek: "find /usr/include -type l" |
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| 22:34.01 | cafuego | :x or ZZ is faster ;-) |
| 22:34.02 | caphuso | hallux: and how do you notice that it doesn't save the changes? |
| 22:34.05 | The_Vulture | nvz: something like that, I used to use it as an away-nick, and while no one really said it, most people dislike the constant nick/changing (and I used to forget to switch often enough that it kind of lost its meaning) |
| 22:34.12 | Double-b-e-o | sigh |
| 22:34.14 | Double-b-e-o | :( |
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| 22:34.24 | frealek | paulswm: if I am asking, that's because I want to compare with other systems... |
| 22:34.50 | nvz | The_Vulture: yeah.. I liked it.. was more amusing that the traditional _, _away, or spell the nick backwards things.. |
| 22:34.51 | paulswm | frealek: well I just gave you the command to find all links |
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| 22:35.19 | linuxfreck | frealek: they are symlinks here... debian sid |
| 22:35.22 | frealek | paulswm: thanks ! I know that, I just deleted all my symlinks in /usr/include (recursive) and I want to know if it's dead or not |
| 22:35.34 | hallux | caphuso: because it says "crontab: no changes made to crontab" |
| 22:35.40 | paulswm | frealek: sorry, well those are the only two on my system |
| 22:35.41 | baz | ~nickometer Double-b-e-o |
| 22:35.41 | | 'Double-b-e-o' is 69.000% lame, baz |
| 22:35.46 | The_Vulture | nvz: thanks, I have also, at times been The_Phoenix (after I finished my high school exams), and El_Pollo (for no particular reason) |
| 22:36.31 | kawfee | sussudio: wtf is this? |
| 22:36.36 | paulswm | frealek: /usr/include/X11 -> ../X11R6/include/X11 |
| 22:36.46 | paulswm | frealek: /usr/include/ncurses.h -> curses.h |
| 22:36.52 | frealek | thx |
| 22:36.59 | frealek | sarge / sid ? |
| 22:37.07 | paulswm | frealek: sarge |
| 22:37.16 | sussudio | kawfee: badgers? |
| 22:37.18 | frealek | k thx |
| 22:37.21 | kawfee | sussudio: yes |
| 22:37.24 | baz | sussudio: I like the badgers |
| 22:37.25 | paulswm | frealek: np |
| 22:37.32 | caphuso | hallux: did you try to strace it? |
| 22:37.40 | hallux | nope. it only happens on stable boxes |
| 22:37.41 | ciga | hi |
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| 22:37.48 | kawfee | sussudio: it's the same thing over and over |
| 22:37.53 | sussudio | kawfee: so? |
| 22:38.02 | kawfee | sussudio: what is it? |
| 22:38.05 | ciga | is there a way to use quota v2 on woody? quotaon does not seem to work with v2... |
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| 22:38.08 | nvz | !kawfee |
| 22:38.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kawfee is Drink More Kawfee!, or funny :), or a known dumbass. KAWFEH |
| 22:38.12 | sussudio | kawfee: badgers, related to weasels |
| 22:38.45 | weasel | me? |
| 22:38.51 | sussudio | weasel: yes |
| 22:38.53 | baz | heh |
| 22:39.05 | kawfee | heh |
| 22:39.13 | kawfee | sussudio: this is supposed to be funny? |
| 22:39.50 | baz | kawfee: it is funny - your sense of humour is buggy |
| 22:39.58 | sussudio | kawfee: no, it's supposed to piss you off because you can't get it out of your head for the next 3 weeks |
| 22:39.58 | kawfee | baz: explain |
| 22:40.09 | kawfee | sussudio: oh, yeah, I see now |
| 22:40.11 | kawfee | dammit! |
| 22:40.20 | baz | kawfee: badger badger badger badger |
| 22:40.28 | sussudio | kawfee: MUSHROOM MUSHROOM |
| 22:40.28 | kawfee | is that what it is saying? |
| 22:40.36 | kawfee | I thought it was saying, Magic Mushroom |
| 22:40.51 | sussudio | no, that's just what you had for dinner |
| 22:41.06 | kawfee | Magic, Magic, Mushrooom Mushroom |
| 22:41.10 | kawfee | that's what I heard |
| 22:41.28 | kawfee | so it said, badger badger? |
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| 22:41.35 | sussudio | kawfee: indeed. |
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| 22:41.44 | kawfee | !mith sussudio |
| 22:41.47 | paulswm | something which stays in your head forever: "It's a small world after all, It's a small world after all..." |
| 22:41.51 | sussudio | !hig kawfee |
| 22:41.56 | kawfee | hig? |
| 22:42.00 | kawfee | !info hig |
| 22:42.02 | sussudio | yes |
| 22:42.05 | pat5star | hi all. is there anyway I can split a console window so I can run tail -f on 2 different log files? |
| 22:42.05 | loudspeaker | Just downloaded ATI Driver for my vcard... Where do I need to place it so I can configure it via dpkg-reconfigure, etc |
| 22:42.19 | Mave | pat5star: screen |
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| 22:42.31 | pat5star | Mave: ok, I'll check that out...thanks :) |
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| 22:42.49 | bob2 | pat5star: or twin |
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| 22:43.10 | kawfee | baz: GO TO SLEEP! |
| 22:43.14 | pat5star | bob2: I'll check that out too, thanks. |
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| 22:44.08 | mag007 | anyone here using vmware? |
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| 22:44.25 | baz | kawfee: eh |
| 22:44.29 | kawfee | baz: he |
| 22:44.48 | baz | confused |
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| 22:44.52 | keta | mag007: maybe, but it's quite offtopic here. |
| 22:44.54 | kawfee | confuzzled |
| 22:45.02 | loudspeaker | Anyone know where I put the driver.deb file at? FAQ on ATI was of no help |
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| 22:45.11 | kawfee | loudspeaker: dpkg it |
| 22:45.22 | kawfee | dpkg -i driver.deb |
| 22:45.28 | kawfee | grrr |
| 22:45.35 | kawfee | dpkg: don't do that |
| 22:45.36 | dpkg | kawfee: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:45.41 | kawfee | dpkg: no |
| 22:45.41 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 22:45.41 | keta | heh |
| 22:45.55 | loudspeaker | kawfee, Thanks |
| 22:46.03 | keta | night, you all |
| 22:46.12 | mag007 | keta, i want to try vmware for debian + windows :-) |
| 22:46.14 | loudspeaker | Night Keta |
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| 22:46.49 | keta | mag007: ask vmware costumer care or microsoft then. grrr. |
| 22:46.53 | Mave | does latest vmware run on sid ? |
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| 22:47.10 | baz | argh |
| 22:47.17 | Skaag | isn't vmware that really cool italian ice cream manufacturer? |
| 22:47.25 | paulswm | costumer? you have to dress up to use it? |
| 22:47.28 | Skaag | yumware |
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| 22:48.01 | nvz | well I am going out to get stoned and snowboard.. aught to be excitingly dangerous |
| 22:48.06 | nvz | its getting dark too |
| 22:48.11 | keta | Skaag: I cann assure that in italy no virtual tastes are sold, only full flavoured natural ones. |
| 22:48.18 | Skaag | nvz: you got a deathwish?! :) |
| 22:48.23 | loudspeaker | kawfee, There a quick way to find out what version of XFree86 I'm running? |
| 22:48.24 | kawfee | nvz: we don't care about your drug habbits |
| 22:48.26 | Skaag | keta :-) |
| 22:48.31 | kawfee | loudspeaker: X --version |
| 22:48.33 | paulswm | nvz: enjoy :) |
| 22:48.52 | nvz | kawfee: speak for yourself I think alot of people find comfort in knowing drugs are to blame |
| 22:48.53 | Skaag | kawfee: i don't care about his drug rabbits either but it sounds funny :) |
| 22:48.53 | kawfee | loudspeaker: dpkg -L xfree |
| 22:48.54 | Loevborg | loudspeaker, dpkg -l xfree\* |
| 22:49.19 | paulswm | Skaag: I think he meant drug hobbits |
| 22:49.19 | nvz | Skaag: never been snowboarding, and I cant even stand on a skateboard |
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| 22:49.28 | Skaag | apt-get install microsoft-office-linux_glibc-2.3 |
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| 22:49.42 | loudspeaker | Loevborg, Ahh yes. Thank you |
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| 22:50.50 | paulswm | of course, nvz could have meant that when he went out, the kids next door were going to throw rocks at him |
| 22:51.01 | azreal | loudspeaker: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:51.02 | Skaag | paulswm: makes more sense. these hobbits always seemed like serious potheads to me. specially in the 3rd movie when gandalf and the gang find the two hobbits smoking put on that large boulder next to saruman's destroyed city... |
| 22:51.14 | Skaag | put -> pot |
| 22:51.38 | paulswm | Skaag: exactly, I mean all along they seem like a culture of little hedonists |
| 22:51.38 | nvz | paulswm: na the kids all like me, its almost annoying.. nothing worse for a stoner than to have the kids all following you around like you're some kind of role model |
| 22:51.39 | Skaag | nvz: sounds like you really do have a death wish ;-) |
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| 22:51.49 | Skaag | paulswm: yep! I totaly agree! :) |
| 22:51.52 | loudspeaker | azreal, Very nice. Thanks for the page. Exactly what I needed. |
| 22:52.07 | sathe | can somebody help me with mozilla (1.5) problem on debian/unstable ? |
| 22:52.19 | sussudio | ~tell sathe about bts |
| 22:52.40 | Skaag | nvz: I tried snowboarding twice. First time I got a big blue mark on my butt, second time was better, but then I saw all these guys using Skis and it seemed so much easier, so I said what the heck, I returned the snowboard and tried the skis, and in 10 minutes I did it all. |
| 22:52.50 | mwilson | moz has a new problem in unstable? |
| 22:52.55 | sathe | when i choose "preferences" option from menu nothing happens. |
| 22:53.02 | mwilson | Oh, that. |
| 22:53.07 | sathe | (mozilla 1.5, gnome 2.4) |
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| 22:53.29 | mwilson | What does Gnome have to do with it? |
| 22:53.30 | sathe | i think it could be some file permissions problem |
| 22:53.52 | nvz | Skaag: I think it was Jerry Seinfield (or maybe Jeff Foxworthy I dont remember) who said "You know helmets were invented because we came to the conclusion that we were doing things that may break our skull, and instead of not doing these things, we wear a helmet." |
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| 22:53.58 | mwilson | Why would you think that? |
| 22:54.14 | mwilson | Move your ~/.mozilla directory out of the way somewhere and relaunch it. |
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| 22:55.01 | tarzeau | bob2: there? |
| 22:55.02 | tarzeau | http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/uninstallable/ |
| 22:55.02 | Skaag | nvz :-) that's a good one ;-) |
| 22:55.18 | kawfee | tarzeau: hi! |
| 22:55.23 | tarzeau | kawfee: hi |
| 22:55.24 | kawfee | tarzeau: I'm here! |
| 22:55.33 | tarzeau | i'm here, too |
| 22:55.37 | kawfee | you are? |
| 22:55.38 | bob2 | tarzeau: jah. |
| 22:55.38 | kawfee | Where? |
| 22:55.44 | bob2 | tarzeau: 31 hours, good work |
| 22:55.50 | tarzeau | bob2: what do you think? my GNU/Hurd has a great uptime ;) |
| 22:55.58 | tarzeau | bob2: it needs alot of good talking to it! |
| 22:55.58 | loudspeaker | Is there any reason I should not upgrade to the new kernel? 2.6.1 correct? |
| 22:55.58 | sathe | mwilson: i removed ~/.mozilla dir entirely and rerun mozilla but it didn'e help. |
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| 22:56.27 | sathe | my problems started when i run "sudo mozilla" to install some plugins. |
| 22:56.34 | Skaag | tarzeau: don't you need to loop through that thing due to dependencies? |
| 22:56.35 | bob2 | loudspeaker: 2.6. is still effectively beta |
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| 22:56.39 | sathe | then i could not run mozilla. |
| 22:56.49 | bob2 | sathe: chown everything in ~/.mozilla to your user |
| 22:56.51 | tarzeau | Skaag: nope, or can you send me a patch? |
| 22:56.56 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah, I bet |
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| 22:57.19 | Skaag | tarzeau: did you write that page? |
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| 22:57.24 | tarzeau | Skaag: yes |
| 22:57.26 | loudspeaker | bob2, So stay with the 2.4.22? |
| 22:57.36 | kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.39 | tarzeau | Skaag: ok some helped me in #hurd for the english text |
| 22:58.03 | tarzeau | kawfee: i did get the K5 mini iso of Debian GNU/Hurd and installed it on an amd k6-2 500 mhz box |
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| 22:58.13 | sathe | bob2: i did that. Then i could run mozilla again. But problem with "preferences" remains.... |
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| 22:58.20 | Skaag | tarzeau: Ok so I think that even if we assume 20% of the packages depend on the other 80%, simply requesting to uninstall these 20% would uninstall the other 80%? |
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| 22:58.27 | tarzeau | kawfee: now there's 11000+ package binaries, but more than 6000 can't be installed (missing deps or don't build) |
| 22:58.29 | Skaag | I could be wrong and probably am |
| 22:58.29 | cafuego | bob2: 09:58:11 up 22 days, 22:05 (2.6.0) |
| 22:58.45 | Skaag | ah you'r trying to find packages that can't be installed? |
| 22:58.48 | bob2 | loudspeaker: 2.4.24, 2.4.22 has several grave security issues |
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| 22:58.55 | Skaag | I thought it was the other way around. my mistake. |
| 22:58.59 | tarzeau | Skaag: i did , already , after two long hours |
| 22:59.04 | sathe | i think that there are some files outside ~/.mozilla that changed in some way. |
| 22:59.11 | tarzeau | Skaag: now it's about fixing them ;) wanna help? |
| 22:59.17 | bob2 | cafuego: heh, test11 has been up for 10 days for me |
| 22:59.23 | Mave | tarzeau: can I install and try hurd on a floppy ? |
| 22:59.23 | loudspeaker | bob2, Is there a quick way to find out what ver of the kernal I have? I thought I was running .22 |
| 22:59.26 | mwilson | sathe: And you're inventing such a reason out of thin air because...? |
| 22:59.27 | Skaag | if you give me a specific job to do, i'll do it :-) |
| 22:59.34 | Mave | tarzeau: maybe you shoudl try a floppy image :) |
| 22:59.36 | tarzeau | Mave: ask in #hurd but i doubt it fits on a floppy |
| 22:59.42 | Mave | tarzeau: try to prepare |
| 22:59.42 | Skaag | like, take these packages, check their dependencies, and so on.. |
| 22:59.45 | kawfee | tarzeau: hurd? |
| 22:59.46 | cafuego | bob2: .. and this is on that production server as well.. <heh> |
| 22:59.48 | Skaag | could even write a tool to do that recursively |
| 22:59.53 | Mave | tarzeau: oh wasn'T it based on microkernl ;) |
| 23:00.24 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes GNU/Hurd or only GNU |
| 23:00.24 | bob2 | loudspeaker: uname -r |
| 23:00.24 | tarzeau | kawfee: GNU hurd 0.3 GNUmach-1.2/Hurd-0.3 i386-AT386 GNU |
| 23:00.24 | bob2 | cafuego: hah, somtimes I'm glad your customers don't IRC :P |
| 23:00.25 | loudspeaker | bob2, Great thanks. |
| 23:00.25 | kawfee | tarzeau: what's the difference between that and linux? |
| 23:00.27 | sathe | mwilson: because before running "sudo mozilla" everything worked fine (starting browser, entering preferences) |
| 23:00.33 | tarzeau | Mave: it still is, and always will be afaik , GNU Mach at the moment, work is been done on L4 port |
| 23:00.54 | tarzeau | kawfee: Hurd doesn't have moronic limits like Linux |
| 23:00.56 | tarzeau | kawfee: like you can do ls * in a directory with 10000 files |
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| 23:01.02 | Mave | tarzeau: L4 ? never heard that one.. |
| 23:01.07 | tarzeau | kawfee: and there's much more good stuff like that |
| 23:01.09 | cafuego | bob2: Howso? |
| 23:01.12 | Skaag | tarzeau: what if I wrote a tool that got a package as paramater, and mapped all dependencies, recursively? would that help somehow? |
| 23:01.15 | tarzeau | the best is the funny error messages you get! |
| 23:01.26 | Skaag | tarzeau: and of course check if the dependencies can be met |
| 23:01.32 | cafuego | bob2: My Linux customers are all on Woodies 2.4.18-1 |
| 23:01.38 | tarzeau | Skaag: i have that already :) www.linuks.mine.nu/depmap/ show me yours though |
| 23:01.42 | kawfee | tarzeau: hah |
| 23:01.44 | bob2 | cafuego: ah |
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| 23:01.49 | kawfee | tarzeau: you don't think limits are good? |
| 23:01.51 | Skaag | tarzeau: I don't have it, was offering to write one |
| 23:01.54 | kawfee | tarzeau: it uses the linux kernel? |
| 23:01.55 | tarzeau | kawfee: no |
| 23:02.01 | tarzeau | kawfee: of course not |
| 23:02.06 | sathe | mwilson: and problem with starting mozilla came from changed ownership of files in "~/.mozilla". |
| 23:02.18 | kawfee | tarzeau: ls * doens't make me want to go out and get hurd |
| 23:02.19 | cafuego | tarzeau: Doing 'ls' in a directory with 100,000 subdirs works fine on reiserfs. |
| 23:02.21 | Skaag | tarzeau: that's beautiful :-) |
| 23:02.31 | paulswm | kawfee: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/index |
| 23:02.33 | ckearney | | ckearney (~ckearney@216-210-225-185.atgi.net) (Internic Network) |
| 23:02.34 | loudspeaker | bob2, apt-get doesn't seem to find kernel-source-2.2.24 ... Am I mistyping or ? |
| 23:02.34 | mwilson | wow... filerunner got orphaned |
| 23:02.36 | ckearney | oops |
| 23:02.37 | mwilson | too bad |
| 23:02.39 | tarzeau | Skaag: thank you, it's non-free graphviz |
| 23:02.45 | Loevborg | kawfee, it advances incredibly slowly |
| 23:02.46 | kawfee | paulswm: no |
| 23:02.57 | morphine | having troubles installing debian (cd #5), the one with the kernel-2.4. I get into this infinite loop on the ncurse install, when I'm trying to do the 'install base system', it will try to contact http://http.us.debian.org and says something about invalid dist woody, anyone have some insight? |
| 23:02.57 | nvz | well I got to finish suiting up.. I got my two pair pants an shorts on.. I'll be back in a little while.. |
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| 23:03.03 | kawfee | !info kernel-source-2.2.24 |
| 23:03.21 | kawfee | !+info kernel-source-2.2.24 |
| 23:03.23 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-source-2.2.24' does not exist. |
| 23:03.29 | cafuego | kawfee: 2.4.24 |
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| 23:03.36 | mwilson | morphine: Uh, there's a 2.4 kernel on CD #1... why would you waste your time downloading CD #5? |
| 23:03.41 | simonrvn | try either 2.2.25 or 2.4.24 |
| 23:03.42 | kawfee | cafuego: loudspeaker was asking |
| 23:03.43 | droopy_ | hello ALL :) |
| 23:03.46 | Skaag | tarzeau: check this one out: http://www.touchgraph.com/ |
| 23:03.55 | kawfee | 2.2 only when to .20 |
| 23:03.58 | kawfee | afair |
| 23:04.09 | loudspeaker | kawfee, Ahh. Thanks |
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| 23:04.17 | kawfee | loudspeaker: thank cafuego |
| 23:04.17 | tarzeau | Skaag: is that free? it's not pacakghe ind deiban.. |
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| 23:04.26 | bob2 | mwilson: pick it up and begin your journey to DDhood! |
| 23:04.31 | bob2 | loudspeaker: sarge? |
| 23:04.39 | cafuego | kawfee: The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.25 |
| 23:04.51 | Skaag | tarzeau: it's opensource... check this usage of it: http://www.huminity.com/me=aric@fedida.com |
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| 23:05.51 | bob2 | tarzeau: you should run a buildd |
| 23:06.07 | bob2 | tarzeau: 37 hours is well ahead of every other hurd machine in the universe atm |
| 23:06.15 | loudspeaker | cafuego, Looked for 2.4.24 and didn't find it as well. |
| 23:06.16 | tarzeau | bob2: sanvila and jbailey do that already, but if you help me i'd love to document how to do that and also run one |
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| 23:06.28 | morphine | mwilson, cd #1 didn't give me the option to format my partitions with ext3 ... really odd. Installed 2.2 kernel ... i hope we are talking about the same cd |
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| 23:07.29 | loudspeaker | cafuego, just install kernel-source-2.4.24 right? |
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| 23:07.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: hmmm |
| 23:08.03 | mithrandi | when I try and run MozillaFirebird, it terminates with 'File size limit exceeded'. Investigating with strace, the file in question is ~/.phoenix/appreg, but it only seems to be writing a few hundred bytes to that file. any suggestions? |
| 23:08.03 | kawfee | cafuego: oh, they are still building on it? |
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| 23:08.16 | k-man | morphine, could you be using an old version of ext2 tools or something? |
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| 23:08.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: how fiddly is a hurd install these days? I'm going to an auction on thursday, I should pick up a extra celeron to try hurd on. |
| 23:08.48 | tarzeau | bob2: i managed it in an hour or so, if i remove the time to find out things |
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| 23:08.56 | kawfee | bob2: what kind of auction? |
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| 23:09.13 | petemc | mithrandi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228369 |
| 23:09.16 | tarzeau | bob2: i used the k5 mini iso image (25mb), straight install, ext2, fix grub, learn how fsck works, insert right nic, done |
| 23:09.33 | doogie | anyone here have windows, internet explorer, and flash 6.x(not 7.x)? I need to test out whether 6.x has this AMF deserialization bug. |
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| 23:09.46 | morphine | k-man: ncurse menu doesn't even let me format with ext3, but when I shell in, i can mke2fs -j the partitions. I dunno, should I be installing a different version like testing or something cuz debian 3.0 is not treating me really well |
| 23:09.53 | bztunk | doogie: WTF? |
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| 23:10.13 | KeithWeisshar | why is debian having problems authenticating with the verizon dsl providier |
| 23:10.16 | k-man | morphine, no idea, sorry |
| 23:10.21 | doogie | bztunk: I know this is a debian channel(I'm a dpkg developer). just asking here, because there are tons of people. |
| 23:10.25 | mwilson | Where did he get the idea that a Woody installer won't allow EXT3? |
| 23:10.37 | zinx | KeithWeisshar: maybe there's a problem with your configuration |
| 23:10.39 | KeithWeisshar | i ran plog and it says no response to pap authentication requests |
| 23:10.44 | bob2 | tarzeau: hmm, sounds like something I should try then. |
| 23:10.46 | croddy | anyone know how to get the broadcom bcm5705 working? I tried a woody backport of the the bcm5700 module and it failed to load (2.4.18-bf24) |
| 23:10.52 | mwilson | doogie: You do realize that Flash authors should be shot, right? |
| 23:10.52 | bob2 | kawfee: computer auction |
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| 23:10.55 | ssimon | hi. |
| 23:10.56 | mithrandi | petemc: oh, I see. |
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| 23:11.00 | mithrandi | petemc: thanks :) |
| 23:11.03 | petemc | np |
| 23:11.06 | zinx | KeithWeisshar: maybe it wants chap. or plaintext. |
| 23:11.06 | doogie | mwilson: yes. |
| 23:11.12 | bztunk | doogie: you know you listed like, the 3 applications i hate the most? (ok, maybe outlook is also in the list) |
| 23:11.17 | kawfee | bob2: new/used ? |
| 23:11.28 | tarzeau | bob2: screen, irssi and a webserver runs, what else would you want? |
| 23:11.39 | TravisBarker | ok, i just got booted to the new install (did the net install of a single .iso |
| 23:11.40 | mwilson | Of course, also on the list to be shot should be whatever idiot at Macromedia came up with it. |
| 23:11.40 | bob2 | kawfee: used. celeron 466 for $AU35 |
| 23:11.43 | doogie | we are using ofbiz(ofbiz.org, gpl), openamf(openamf.sf.net, gpl), to have an open backend to flash player. |
| 23:11.48 | tarzeau | bob2: heck even X11 works, if only it was installable ;) |
| 23:11.52 | paulswm | tarzeau: I think I'll give GNU/Hurd a try real soon, thanx for the reminder, I'd forgotten about it |
| 23:11.53 | ssimon | i compiled a 2.4.24 kernel from source. i booted and get 'Unable to mount root fs' i have no idea what to do. i googled and found some messages about 'adding initrd to lilo.conf' that, didn't help.. anyone a idea? |
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| 23:11.56 | bob2 | tarzeau: haha |
| 23:11.57 | TravisBarker | but now how do i install the rest of Debian |
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| 23:12.12 | mwilson | #1 on my reasons never to visit a web site... does it use Flash. |
| 23:12.21 | tarzeau | paulswm: thank you for trying it! |
| 23:12.23 | bob2 | ssimon: don't use initrd. include support for your root filesystem and ide/scsi controller IN the kernel |
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| 23:12.38 | kawfee | bob2: 466 |
| 23:12.39 | kawfee | ? |
| 23:12.50 | ssimon | bob2: it's in the kernel. |
| 23:12.59 | paulswm | tarzeau: it has always sounded interesting, but I never got round to trying an install |
| 23:13.05 | kawfee | bob2: for only the chip? |
| 23:13.08 | TravisBarker | i have debian (minimal boot) installed and i need to know how to install everything else i need |
| 23:13.22 | bob2 | kawfee: whole machine |
| 23:13.31 | kawfee | bob2: 466MHz ? |
| 23:13.32 | bob2 | TravisBarker: run aptitude or dselect or apt-get |
| 23:13.38 | bob2 | kawfee: yes, 128MB of ram |
| 23:13.46 | TravisBarker | k |
| 23:13.46 | zeo33x | hi all, i installed 2.6.1 kernel with alsa built in, however everytime i boot up the volume is always at minimal, how do i "save" volume state when i shutdown (i think before when i was using alsa compiled in user space it did this) |
| 23:13.47 | doogie | well, back to work |
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| 23:14.06 | TravisBarker | i dont even have x yet |
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| 23:14.08 | kawfee | bob2: oh, if the RAM isn't important you should have to me before. I know someoen that throws machines out 200, 500Mhz all the time. |
| 23:14.09 | bob2 | zeo33x: alsamixer should do that for you |
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| 23:14.19 | bob2 | kawfee: bah. |
| 23:14.31 | bob2 | kawfee: my main machine is a p3-450. |
| 23:14.32 | TravisBarker | aptitude wont run without x right? |
| 23:14.39 | zeo33x | bob2: cool, ill try it out htanx |
| 23:14.40 | kawfee | bob2: If you pay for the shipping I could send you some. |
| 23:14.42 | bob2 | TravisBarker: aptitude has ntohing to do with X |
| 23:14.46 | TravisBarker | ok |
| 23:14.52 | TravisBarker | thats what i need to know |
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| 23:15.40 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: who|where is throwing out those machines? |
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| 23:16.12 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: a family member, they get machines like that all the time |
| 23:16.18 | bob2 | kawfee: hah, it'd probably be more than $au35 for shpping anyway |
| 23:16.20 | bob2 | thanks tho |
| 23:16.27 | kawfee | bob2: maybe, check into it =] |
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| 23:16.49 | marcm | where can I find a kernel patch to get a boot spalsh during kernel loading? |
| 23:17.11 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: we just threw out like 10 486/586 machines |
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| 23:17.23 | eeyore- | marcm: google for "linux kernel logo patch", download the six patch files |
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| 23:17.32 | tarzeau | kawfee: oh no! you took them, right? |
| 23:17.33 | kawfee | eeyore-: where is winnie? |
| 23:17.35 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: yeah, have no need for the 486 boxen, but extra 586's are always usefull... |
| 23:17.42 | kawfee | tarzeau: I didn't have anywhere to put them =[ |
| 23:17.44 | eeyore- | marcm: i assume you're talking about the patch set that allows "arbitrary" *.ppm images to be used? |
| 23:17.53 | tarzeau | kawfee: not even one or two? |
| 23:18.16 | kawfee | tarzeau: I have a few machines of my own and I don't even have them all hooked up. |
| 23:18.35 | kawfee | tarzeau: machines like that are easy to get around here. Companies throw them out all the time. |
| 23:18.55 | bob2 | bah |
| 23:18.57 | kawfee | tarzeau: you can buy 800Mhz machines for like 40$ around here |
| 23:18.58 | bob2 | stupid america |
| 23:19.08 | bob2 | people throw out ULTRASPARCS |
| 23:19.08 | kawfee | poor little aussies |
| 23:19.15 | bob2 | goddamit |
| 23:19.17 | kawfee | people throw out macs |
| 23:19.17 | tarzeau | bob2: that's not true? |
| 23:19.22 | tarzeau | ULTRASPARCS? |
| 23:19.22 | kawfee | I see it all the time. |
| 23:19.29 | tarzeau | because the windows cd don't boot or why? |
| 23:19.38 | kawfee | lol |
| 23:19.44 | bob2 | tarzeau: too slow, apparently |
| 23:19.51 | bob2 | for whatever they were using them for |
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| 23:19.58 | tarzeau | bob2: i still like and run my sparc classic |
| 23:20.15 | tarzeau | it can do X and it can play music |
| 23:20.19 | bob2 | tarzeau: yeah, I'd like a sparc, too. |
| 23:20.27 | zophyx | i received email with an [applica/octet-stre, base64, 33K] attachment, how do i view that ? |
| 23:20.50 | tarzeau | i'd like some more ip addresses more bandwith and harddisks too and someone who pays my electricity/power bill |
| 23:20.58 | bob2 | zophyx: that's the mime equivalent of file's "data". it could be anything. |
| 23:20.59 | tarzeau | fixed ip addresses that is |
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| 23:21.05 | eeyore- | zophyx: edit the mail, make it read "application/octet-stream" |
| 23:21.09 | tarzeau | zophyx: uudeview it |
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| 23:21.35 | zophyx | ok, those are two ideas |
| 23:21.39 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah, who wouldn't. |
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| 23:21.46 | zophyx | can i save the attachment to a file with mutt ? |
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| 23:22.10 | elephant | how can i test if a machine is windows or unix on a network? |
| 23:22.20 | tarzeau | elephant: telnet on port 135 |
| 23:22.23 | dondelelcaro | elephant: queso|nmap |
| 23:22.27 | eeyore- | what software shortens that to read "applica/octet-stre"? odd |
| 23:22.29 | tarzeau | elephant: if it answers it's windows (well most of the time) |
| 23:22.35 | bob2 | elephant: nmap -O <ip> |
| 23:22.43 | Justin__ | tarzeau: we got more computers :-) |
| 23:22.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: isn't it just displayed short? |
| 23:22.51 | eeyore- | tarzeau: you hope so :-) |
| 23:22.53 | bob2 | Justin__: you die now. |
| 23:23.01 | Justin__ | bob2: well not since last night |
| 23:23.06 | tarzeau | Justin__: you got more computers, me and you? who ? than who? |
| 23:23.21 | Justin__ | tarzeau: 2 indigo 2's :-) |
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| 23:23.27 | tarzeau | ohhhh nooooo sweeeet |
| 23:23.56 | bob2 | Justin__: how many different arches do you have in your bedroom? |
| 23:23.58 | tarzeau | bob2: have you ever run a buildd? do you know where's documentation about this? |
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| 23:24.12 | tarzeau | bob2: i've got sparc,powerpc,i386 and hppa (debian all) |
| 23:24.17 | bob2 | tarzeau: wow |
| 23:24.22 | eeyore- | i just got a griffin powermate ... pulsing orb of electric sex! |
| 23:24.26 | bob2 | tarzeau: wtf di dyou find a hppa? |
| 23:24.26 | Justin__ | bob2: umm, x86, sparc32, sparc64, mips32 |
| 23:24.28 | eeyore- | uh, no, no sex |
| 23:24.34 | Justin__ | or are indigo2's 64bit? heh |
| 23:24.39 | tarzeau | bob2: exchange for my amiga1200 |
| 23:24.44 | Parthenogeny | I have powerpc and i386, both debian |
| 23:24.44 | Ekdikeo | how the hell do i get it setup so i can run X programs from another machine, using my debian box as the display? xhost + like every other box in the world doesn't do it |
| 23:24.45 | bob2 | tarzeau: sbuild actually builds the packages, wanna-build tells it what to build |
| 23:24.48 | tarzeau | bob2: but the amiga1200 was exchanged with a c-64 |
| 23:24.59 | elephant | i was hoping there would be a way through dns so if the machine is off i could still get that information. |
| 23:25.07 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:25.16 | kalve | When i use 'links -http-proxy host:port' it connects fine to the proxy, and i get web. what should i use to make wget and lynx use proxy? HTTP_PROXY="http://host:port/" and export HTTP_PROXY? that doesn't work.. |
| 23:25.18 | eeyore- | elephant: eh? |
| 23:25.19 | kzee | zophyx: shift-V to get the attatchment menu, move to the one you want and then "S" or "C" to save it to a file. |
| 23:25.21 | bob2 | elephant: would you declare all your windows machines in DNS? |
| 23:25.23 | tarzeau | bob2: is wanna-build a package? i found sbuild already |
| 23:25.23 | eeyore- | elephant: say what? |
| 23:25.27 | bob2 | elephant: that's asking to be hax0red. |
| 23:25.43 | bob2 | kzee: http_poryx |
| 23:25.51 | bob2 | kzee: er, lowercase |
| 23:25.52 | eeyore- | elephant: oh THAT. sure, you could add descriptions to DNS records |
| 23:25.55 | bob2 | kalve: ^ |
| 23:25.58 | Ekdikeo | bob2: ssh is not wanted |
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| 23:26.03 | bob2 | tarzeau: hm, doesn't seem to be packaged. |
| 23:26.05 | elephant | I spose it wouldnt be common practice to state what os is being used on that static ip.. |
| 23:26.12 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: duh, configure it. /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:26.17 | bob2 | tarzeau: cvs.debian.org |
| 23:26.21 | saberworks | I'm having a problem with the package 'ftpd' - my computer won't allow any external host to login to it, it connects, then says "connection closed by remote host" - it's the latest version and inetd.conf says it should be executing /usr/sbin/in-ftpd - any ideas why it won't allow incoming connections? |
| 23:26.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: but it wasn't very well documented last time I looked at it. |
| 23:26.35 | saberworks | oh, I can "ftp localhost" and it works... I don't know if that means anything |
| 23:26.36 | eeyore- | bob2: it could be pretty useful to have "Bob's desktop (Windows XP, 1024MB, 10.5GB)" type of comments |
| 23:26.36 | Ekdikeo | bob2: ssh is not wanted. |
| 23:26.40 | tarzeau | saberworks: checked your /etc/hosts.* ? |
| 23:26.56 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 23:26.56 | kalve | nice. it works. :) |
| 23:26.57 | Ekdikeo | bob2: there is no ssh. |
| 23:26.58 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: any other method is stupidly insecure |
| 23:26.59 | eeyore- | bob2: or things like "Official Win32 Build Machine" :-D |
| 23:27.03 | bob2 | eeyore-: install ssh then |
| 23:27.09 | Ekdikeo | bob2: ssh is useless |
| 23:27.10 | bob2 | eeyore-: TXT records |
| 23:27.19 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: you are an idiot |
| 23:27.20 | eeyore- | bob2: nah, we're talking ... yes, that's it :) |
| 23:27.24 | bob2 | !+xhost +localhost |
| 23:27.25 | dpkg | well, xhost +localhost is <Overfiend> xhost +localhost should only be done by people who would paint their hostname and root password on an interstate overpass. |
| 23:27.26 | tarzeau | eeyore-: you can't overwrite running program files or libraries there, that sucks |
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| 23:27.29 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: ^ |
| 23:27.31 | saberworks | let me look, thanks tarzeau |
| 23:27.38 | Ekdikeo | bob2: why would i want everything sent through a slow ass secure link that i don't need? |
| 23:27.38 | eeyore- | tarzeau: hmm, me? |
| 23:27.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: but solaris and os x maybe? |
| 23:27.52 | tarzeau | eeyore-: 00:27 < eeyore-> bob2: or things like "Official Win32 Build Machine" :-D |
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| 23:28.08 | Ekdikeo | ssh is a gigantic megahack that is hardly useful to anyone unless they are communicating over the Internet with it. |
| 23:28.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: there's a third bit I walys forget |
| 23:28.13 | tempo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.13 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 23:28.13 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i'm lost |
| 23:28.16 | bob2 | megahack |
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| 23:28.43 | eeyore- | goddamned red carpet can't find files again. who came up with this shit? |
| 23:29.02 | sussudio | wtf is red carpet |
| 23:29.06 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: so configure X to be a mssive security hole then |
| 23:29.17 | bob2 | sussudio: Ximian's attempt at apt. |
| 23:29.18 | eeyore- | sussudio: ximian red carpet, horrible point + click way to update your system |
| 23:29.35 | sussudio | eeyore-: and you're using this, why? |
| 23:29.43 | saberworks | tarzeau, thanks, I added it to hosts.allow and it works now! I didn't realize those files existed, thanks for your help. |
| 23:29.44 | Ekdikeo | bob2: i can't get it to, debian is refusing all connections for no reason that i can find |
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| 23:29.49 | eeyore- | sussudio: redhat boxes |
| 23:30.01 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: it's disabled by default, because it's a massive security hole |
| 23:30.08 | sussudio | snort. |
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| 23:30.14 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: "xhost +" as 30 seconds on google would have found |
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| 23:30.21 | Justin__ | Ekdikeo: the "no reason" is to keep the computer safe from idiots who run xhost + |
| 23:30.22 | tarzeau | saberworks: you're welcome |
| 23:30.23 | Ekdikeo | bob2: it doesn't work |
| 23:30.29 | eeyore- | sussudio: i feel dirty |
| 23:31.09 | sussudio | !disinfect eeyore- |
| 23:31.09 | sussudio | meh. |
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| 23:31.12 | caphuso | i wonder how ssh managed to pretty much obsolete LBX when it's so slow... |
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| 23:31.18 | eeyore- | Ekdikeo: ssh is a gigantic megahack that is hardly useful? what are you smoking? |
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| 23:31.22 | Ekdikeo | debian is starting to remind me of HP/UX. Nothing works the way it does in any other system. and there's no good reason to change it. |
| 23:31.25 | tarzeau | bob2: what would i take from http://cvs.debian.org/ ? |
| 23:31.34 | caphuso | Ekdikeo: may i recommend gentoo? |
| 23:31.40 | Nex6|Debian | whats the file to change the reslotion? |
| 23:31.42 | Ekdikeo | anyone who thinks they have a use for ssh is most likely wrong. |
| 23:31.42 | tarzeau | caphuso: :) |
| 23:31.43 | eeyore- | caphuso: he needs therapy |
| 23:31.51 | bob2 | tarzeau: in the dak cvsroot |
| 23:31.56 | tarzeau | caphuso: i read between the lines |
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| 23:32.00 | eeyore- | (and a session with trusty cluebat) |
| 23:32.08 | tarzeau | if someone says gentoo i always see idiot |
| 23:32.09 | Ekdikeo | now forgive me if i'm being rude, i've quit smoknig today, and i'm having a terrible time of it |
| 23:32.10 | Unfrgiven | can anyone help me with filtering based on MAC address on a physical interface thats bridged? |
| 23:32.16 | caphuso | tarzeau: between *one* line?!? how are you doing that? |
| 23:32.16 | sussudio | !hig Ekdikeo |
| 23:32.16 | streuner | caphuso: surely brainwashed :-) |
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| 23:32.36 | caphuso | i still have enough tobacco left for at least two cigarettes |
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| 23:32.51 | eeyore- | how do you hig someone? |
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| 23:32.58 | sussudio | eeyore-: ask cafuego |
| 23:33.11 | kzee | an HP/UX joke? |
| 23:33.11 | eeyore- | cafuego: would you demonstrate how to hig, please? |
| 23:33.16 | paulswm | tarzeau: just finished reading the Hurd user guide, I will definitely get to installing it, only issue is I use Lilo and I'm going to have to switch to Grub for the multiboot with Hurd by the sound of it |
| 23:33.40 | tarzeau | paulswm: yes, and you'll like GRUB i have no doubts |
| 23:33.43 | Ste4lth | is this the same as the debian channel on efnet? |
| 23:33.54 | caphuso | paulswm: not much of a problem... once you get used to grub's weird ass way of naming devices |
| 23:33.57 | tarzeau | paulswm: the menu entries are "e" editable and even the editmode is like in shell :) |
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| 23:34.06 | Ekdikeo | alright, i'm getting off this distribution. my hostname just changed to the hostname of my other computer. lol |
| 23:34.07 | RichiH | Ste4lth: that would be technically impossible |
| 23:34.08 | eeyore- | caphuso: it's a very very small line. plenty of room left for hidden messages. this wouldn't work for one large line, mind you, only small ones. |
| 23:34.12 | tarzeau | paulswm: if it fails you get back to the menu, you have a shell |
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| 23:34.23 | tarzeau | paulswm: it's really nice, and it's not ugly like lilo |
| 23:34.25 | Justin_ | Ekdikeo: i hear iMacs are good for people like you |
| 23:34.26 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: uh, are you sure? |
| 23:34.28 | kzee | Ste4lth: join the other channel too and see if you can see yourself :) |
| 23:34.35 | paulswm | tarzeau: well I like lilo because it's simple - oh, and it's debian standard |
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| 23:34.49 | ceberino | what is the correct way to install a new nic? what i rememberedi putting alias ethx <driveR> on /etc/modutils/network then run update-modules. is this the correct way? |
| 23:34.53 | tarzeau | paulswm: grub is not simple? you never run it again like lilo |
| 23:35.13 | Ekdikeo | bob2: pretty sure, i closed all my sessions, re-opened one on the local debian box, and one on the other machine, and gave "hostname" and they are both the same name with different IP's now. lol |
| 23:35.24 | eeyore- | paulswm: one of the first things i do to new debian box is to *remove* lilo |
| 23:35.26 | paulswm | tarzeau: I'm familiar with Grub, Lilo and bootloader theory and practice |
| 23:35.31 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: both "debian"? |
| 23:35.37 | Ekdikeo | no, both "router" |
| 23:35.38 | eeyore- | paulswm: i curse the person who decide it (and exim) should be standard |
| 23:35.42 | tarzeau | paulswm: sorry i didn't want to say you are not, i just didn't know |
| 23:35.46 | streuner | ceberino: if you have a 'working' interfaces, just modprobe module (for your NIC) |
| 23:35.57 | caphuso | tarzeau: oh, you're always booting by using the grub shell, not by using the menu? |
| 23:35.58 | Ekdikeo | i made a connection to "router", and my debian became named "router" doh |
| 23:36.02 | hecormar | i have trouble getting 'ssh -X user@server' to get it work as i want... from client i do: # xeyes &; Error: Can't open display client_IP:0.0, could you help me a little ? (i have auth installed) |
| 23:36.03 | Unfrgiven | eeyore-: whats so bad about lilo? |
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| 23:36.14 | tarzeau | caphuso: no i use the menu of course, but it's nice to be able to drop into the shell |
| 23:36.28 | paulswm | tarzeau: are you dual-booting Hurd and Linux on the same box, and, if so, are there any issues with doing this? |
| 23:36.31 | eeyore- | Unfrgiven: i've forgotten to re-run lilo a few times, end up having to find boot floppy, that's what's wrong |
| 23:36.37 | caphuso | tarzeau: so... and how is the menu updated when you install a new kernel? by magic or by running update-grub? |
| 23:36.37 | ceberino | streuner: tnx, but will that driver still remain after a reboot, im planning to add another nic on my pc |
| 23:36.44 | tarzeau | paulswm: yes i have debian gnu/linux on another disk on the same box, no issues |
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| 23:36.54 | Justin_ | !tell hecormar about sshx |
| 23:36.55 | paulswm | eeyore-: you're too funny |
| 23:36.55 | LarstiQ | caphuso: reads it from filesystem |
| 23:37.00 | tarzeau | caphuso: kernel-images only support lilo, i update it myself |
| 23:37.07 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: not true |
| 23:37.12 | LarstiQ | kernel-images support grub |
| 23:37.15 | Unfrgiven | eeyore-: user error... cant blame the program :P |
| 23:37.18 | tarzeau | caphuso, paulswm: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ i've got my grub menu.lst and lilo.conf's there also yaboot and silo |
| 23:37.23 | caphuso | tarzeau: so you still have to run update-grub. how's that different from running lilo? |
| 23:37.26 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: they do? |
| 23:37.28 | LarstiQ | caphuso: no, you do not |
| 23:37.33 | paulswm | tarzeau: OK, then, I'll give it a try, I've got about 25 free partitions |
| 23:37.34 | caphuso | LarstiQ: yes, you do |
| 23:37.37 | hecormar | Justin_: i have already read that .. i don't know how to set env DISPLAY.. i am getting confused |
| 23:37.38 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: it never edited my menu.lst right |
| 23:37.41 | zinx | you can tell kernel-package to automatically run update-grub |
| 23:37.48 | Justin_ | hecormar: who told you to set DISPLAY at all |
| 23:37.51 | tarzeau | paulswm: just make sure the partition is smaller than 2 gb ;) |
| 23:37.59 | zinx | it's mentioned in the grub package when you install it, even |
| 23:38.00 | caphuso | tarzeau: btw, you can kernel-image packages tell to run update-grub for you. check the grub README.Debian |
| 23:38.05 | LarstiQ | caphuso: then it works by magic for me |
| 23:38.09 | eeyore- | tarzeau: not to mention it requires a huge bloated block of "comments" |
| 23:38.12 | tarzeau | caphuso: hehe, ok thank you for telling that here ;) |
| 23:38.18 | paulswm | tarzeau: OK, I guess I'll have to repartition one, they're all 8GB :) |
| 23:38.21 | streuner | cerberino: if you want use 2 NIC's take a look at the examples (interfaces) |
| 23:38.25 | Justin_ | caphuso: you dont _have_ to run it, if it is pointed at a symlink to the real kernel |
| 23:38.32 | zinx | eeyore-: oh my god, 1k of "wasted" disk space, OH GOD THE HORRORS!@#! |
| 23:38.34 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i prefer my config files small, and free of useless cruft |
| 23:38.36 | kzee | Can you get grub to ignore initrd if there's not one there? Like, linux.old doesn't need an initrd... |
| 23:38.39 | hecormar | Justin_: i was trying with xhost, but asking to dpkg i change it to sshx, thats why i set env DISPLAY |
| 23:38.41 | tarzeau | eeyore-: hey it is small! |
| 23:38.49 | eeyore- | zinx: it is the aesthetic |
| 23:39.00 | eeyore- | zinx: or lack of, since i can't even FORMAT IT TO MY LIKING! |
| 23:39.01 | Justin_ | hecormar: do you know what the word "automatically" means? |
| 23:39.18 | caphuso | Justin_: then you're just as limited as with the lilo menu and really have no advantage from grub |
| 23:39.18 | hecormar | yes |
| 23:39.21 | zinx | eeyore-: so edit it by hand :P |
| 23:39.25 | eeyore- | zinx: as soon as i touch the comment, it gets reverted to the standard block. now that pisses me off more than having it in the first place |
| 23:39.30 | caphuso | well, unless you manage to b0rk it |
| 23:39.35 | Justin_ | caphuso: except that grub has a shell, and lilo doesn't |
| 23:39.40 | eeyore- | zinx: i do, for exactly that reason :) |
| 23:39.48 | caphuso | Justin_: which you don't need, unless you break something |
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| 23:40.20 | LarstiQ | everyone knows yaboot is the only bootloader |
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| 23:40.44 | tarzeau | i've got palo too but i need a monitor with sync on green |
| 23:41.37 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: i like bsd bootloaders too (the netbsd one for sure) |
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| 23:42.06 | smacnay | what is the 'sashroot' account? I didn't put it on my system and wonder what it is. |
| 23:42.06 | hecormar | Justin_: ~$ xeyes |
| 23:42.06 | hecormar | connect localhost port 6000: Connection refused |
| 23:42.14 | tarzeau | LarstiQ: i hate silo a bit! for it can only do linux |
| 23:42.35 | Justin_ | hecormar: do you know what the word "automatically" means? |
| 23:42.43 | LarstiQ | tarzeau: silo is nice for sending a BREAK to linux and dropping back to OB, heh :) |
| 23:43.02 | kzee | so grub has a line saying "initrd /initrd.old" but that's a symlink going nowhere, because that kernel doesn't have an initrd. Causes grub to fail. |
| 23:43.09 | Unfrgiven | LarstiQ: whats a "BREAK" and "OB"? |
| 23:43.12 | hecormar | automatically means that it does it by itself |
| 23:43.23 | LarstiQ | Unfrgiven: break signal, and OpenBoot |
| 23:43.23 | Justin_ | hecormar: then why did you change it |
| 23:43.44 | eeyore- | what happened to "alsaconf" package? |
| 23:43.45 | hecormar | i did the conecttion again |
| 23:43.59 | bob2 | tarzeau: pbuilder + mini-dinstall might be easier if you want to just mass-build stuff |
| 23:44.03 | hecormar | and it gave me that error.. conection refused on port 6000 |
| 23:44.07 | hecormar | no firewall |
| 23:44.12 | Justin_ | !tell hecormar about sshx |
| 23:44.26 | Justin_ | read. |
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| 23:44.55 | tarzeau | bob2: mini-dinstall i can't isntall because no python |
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| 23:44.58 | bob2 | tarzeau: depending on how usable hurd itself is...is it at the stage where you can just autobuild stuff and mostly expect it to work? is build-essential built? |
| 23:45.04 | bob2 | tarzeau: gah. |
| 23:45.10 | hecormar | ok, i give up.. that's want i read |
| 23:45.25 | bob2 | tarzeau: debpool is in sh. |
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| 23:45.25 | tarzeau | bob2: yes i can get build-essential |
| 23:45.25 | hecormar | s/want/what |
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| 23:45.48 | Justin_ | hecormar: funny how doing random things doesn't work |
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| 23:46.02 | Justin_ | automatically does not mean set DISPLAY to random things |
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| 23:46.14 | lucas | hiyas, one of my vc's (tty2) crashed on logout and i can't figure out how to recover it, there don't seem to be any processes occupying it. anyone? |
| 23:46.23 | hecormar | it is set to localhost:10.0 |
| 23:46.27 | tarzeau | Justin_: hahahah :) hecormar: funny how doing random things doesn't work |
| 23:46.38 | eeyore- | lucas: "getty" |
| 23:46.39 | bob2 | lcrashes or "re-spawning too fast. disabling"? |
| 23:46.53 | Justin_ | hecormar: and what did you randomly set DISPLAY to in the window you ran ssh from? |
| 23:47.05 | bob2 | tarzeau: heh, if you were down here I could load you up with some more disk space |
| 23:47.22 | rdancer | morning, folks! |
| 23:47.23 | lucas | eeyore-: i tried /sbin/getty 38400 tty2, didn't seem to do anything |
| 23:47.36 | eeyore- | lucas: it's meant to be run from init |
| 23:47.40 | tarzeau | bob2: that'd be lovely, you know what www.linuks.mine.nu runs on? 1,2 gb disk, and yes it's constantly at 98% |
| 23:47.44 | rdancer | how can i access my /dev/cdrom from within uml? |
| 23:47.47 | hecormar | localhost:0.0 |
| 23:47.55 | Justin_ | hecormar: now, again |
| 23:47.57 | bob2 | tarzeau: eek. |
| 23:48.03 | Justin_ | hecormar: which part of automatically, don't you understand? |
| 23:48.05 | tarzeau | bob2: hey that's large! |
| 23:48.13 | lucas | eeyore-, ok... so how do i make it respawn? |
| 23:48.15 | rdancer | when i do ubd1=/dev/cdrom ..... and in the uml: mount /dev/ubd1 /cd, I'll get: |
| 23:48.20 | tarzeau | bob2: i still have a few 40 MB ide harddisks and 237 MB SCSI hd's :) |
| 23:48.20 | rdancer | mount: Mounting /dev/ubd2 on /tnm failed: Invalid argument |
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| 23:48.32 | rdancer | any ideas? |
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| 23:48.45 | hecormar | i just wanted to run a X app(@server) on my client computer |
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| 23:49.02 | Knight_Lord | Do i need any special kernel configuration to burn CDs using 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:49.07 | Delgul | Anyone any knowledge of dhcpd ? |
| 23:49.09 | Justin_ | hecormar: then why the fuck do you keep screwing with DISPLAY |
| 23:49.15 | tarzeau | Delgul: yes, just ask |
| 23:49.21 | dimm0k | trying to get a dhcp server up... how can i make sure it's working properly before a machine requests an ip? |
| 23:49.26 | tarzeau | hecormar: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 23:49.40 | hecormar | i know i did it before using xhost/display, but i don't get it to work |
| 23:49.49 | Justin_ | hecormar: which part of automatically, don't you understand? |
| 23:49.57 | streuner | Knight_Lord: nothing special |
| 23:49.58 | Delgul | I Need to run dhcpd on only one of my two nics. I know I can do that with 'dhcpd eth1', but is there a way to do this in the config file? |
| 23:50.08 | siretart | anybody knows about that dependency terror with libast1 / libast2 in testing? howto fix that easily? |
| 23:50.09 | Justin_ | hecormar: "it means it does it for you, but I'm special so I set it to the wrong thing"? |
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| 23:50.48 | hecormar | let me try one more.. i'll be back |
| 23:50.49 | Delgul | tarzeau: Just to be sure you saw this: I Need to run dhcpd on only one of my two nics. I know I can do that with 'dhcpd eth1', but is there a way to do this in the config file? |
| 23:51.00 | Blow | Any ideas for a driver for a 3CSOHO100-TX nic in the debian netinstaller? |
| 23:51.00 | bob2 | tarzeau: maybe time to delete some of your pron ;-) |
| 23:51.01 | bob2 | stupid slashdot |
| 23:51.01 | bob2 | this book review is WAY too glowing |
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| 23:51.10 | tarzeau | Delgul: tried /etc/defaults/ ? |
| 23:51.12 | lucas | eeyore-, syslog says: Jan 20 10:45:27 juno init: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 23:51.19 | tarzeau | Delgul: tried /etc/default/ ? |
| 23:51.25 | Delgul | just a minute |
| 23:51.29 | streuner | Knight_Lord: why? |
| 23:51.31 | eeyore- | lucas: wait five minutes |
| 23:51.39 | tarzeau | bob2: i don't have porn, only material of sexual education |
| 23:51.42 | tarzeau | bob2: porn, pah! |
| 23:51.48 | lucas | eeyore-, it's in there more than once :P |
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| 23:52.16 | Delgul | tarzeau: Thats it! thanks! |
| 23:52.23 | tarzeau | Delgul: you're welcome |
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| 23:53.17 | gnomer | folks, where can i get info about 2.6.1 install?? |
| 23:53.24 | lordurza | some help installing Nvidia FX 5600 under debian using 2.2.20 idepci ? |
| 23:53.30 | troubled | lucas: with the lid off? |
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| 23:53.33 | Blow | Any ideas for a driver for a 3CSOHO100-TX nic in the debian netinstaller? |
| 23:53.43 | lucas | troubled, no, lid on |
| 23:53.44 | Justin_ | lordurza: don't use 2.2.20-idepci |
| 23:53.49 | troubled | lucas: :) |
| 23:53.54 | lordurza | what do you sugest Justin_ |
| 23:54.01 | lordurza | 2.4.23? |
| 23:54.13 | eeyore- | lucas: find out why it died |
| 23:54.19 | streuner | lordurza: /topic |
| 23:54.24 | lucas | eeyore-, when i tried to logout |
| 23:54.27 | hapi | where should CFLAGS go for a debian package (ie xfree86) so that it's used after I do dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 23:54.36 | lucas | eeyore-, i logged out tty1, no problem, then i logged out tty2 and it hung |
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| 23:54.47 | troubled | sussudio! |
| 23:54.54 | eeyore- | lucas: i have to go, but if i were you i'd do this |
| 23:54.55 | Justin_ | lordurza: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.2 |
| 23:55.00 | Justin_ | lordurza: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.1 |
| 23:55.04 | troubled | sussudio: err, I mean, heya :) |
| 23:55.07 | Justin_ | lordurza: whatever the newest is that it finds |
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| 23:55.11 | hecormar | no way of doing this today... |
| 23:55.16 | troubled | Piggy!! |
| 23:55.19 | eeyore- | lucas: log in to tty2, flip to tty1, attach strace to getty for tty2, log out of tty2, read strace output |
| 23:55.19 | hecormar | thanks anyway.. |
| 23:55.44 | Justin_ | hecormar: lesson of the day: typing random things doesn't work |
| 23:55.48 | lucas | eeyore-, ok thanks eeyore- |
| 23:55.55 | troubled | sussudio: hey, how you get that cloak? freenode doing user cloaking already? |
| 23:56.00 | sussudio | troubled: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 23:56.12 | troubled | sussudio: piggy i mean |
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| 23:56.43 | hecormar | xD, i don't type random.. i type : export DISPLAY origin_IP:0.0; xhost + ip_client |
| 23:56.45 | LoonaTick | INSERT INTO admins VALUES('admin', 'utwpd}e', 'cadtb', '', '', 1337); |
| 23:56.53 | LoonaTick | anyone recognize that type of encryption? |
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| 23:56.59 | d_beauchesne | Hey all |
| 23:57.39 | d_beauchesne | when I use PPPoECONF to try and use my ADSL connection, it times out waiting for PADO packets. |
| 23:57.51 | synic|home | LoonaTick, doesn't look like encryption to me |
| 23:57.51 | bob2 | tarzeau: haha |
| 23:57.57 | d_beauchesne | I do apologise for asking here, but days of googling turned up to solid answer |
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| 23:58.41 | d_beauchesne | the only hint I could find is that this happend to people who changed their kernels (I am using the 2.4.18 that comes with debian woody) |
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| 23:59.02 | sussudio | d_beauchesne: changing your nick doesn't make you any less off a fuckwad |
| 23:59.03 | lordurza | debian woody came with 2.2.20 for me d_beauchesne |
| 23:59.12 | Justin_ | !tell hecormar about sshx |
| 23:59.20 | d_beauchesne | sussudio: excuse me? |
| 23:59.29 | lordurza | at least the 7 disk set and the new r2 iso's from the debian site |
| 23:59.30 | lordurza | anyways |
| 23:59.35 | fpmc | anyone know how I can start mozilla as if I'm opening a new window for the currently in use profile? Right now I click on the button and it asks me to choose profile |
| 23:59.37 | d_beauchesne | lordurza: there is the option for the 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:59.41 | Justin_ | lordurza: anyone using 2.2.20 did not read the install guide |
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