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| 07:33.20 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 07:34.32 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 07:34.51 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
| 07:38.38 | Ghelae | I'm okay; how about you? |
| 07:41.59 | Liquid_Ink | Pretty good |
| 07:42.11 | Liquid_Ink | I've gotten Dark Injection installed, finally |
| 07:56.02 | Liquid_Ink | Ghel, remember how you supposed how many species would logically live in the Turr Kyolm Belt with its size? |
| 07:56.49 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 07:58.32 | Ghelae | I can't find it in the logs, though. |
| 07:58.45 | Liquid_Ink | Could you just do it again? |
| 07:58.57 | Liquid_Ink | And I'll write it down this time |
| 08:00.48 | Ghelae | I'm not even sure how I started it out, so I'll assume I did it based on realism. |
| 08:01.41 | Ghelae | Current estimates are, if we exclude red dwarfs, about 10% of star systems will be suitable, about 10% of systems will have planets/moons of suitable mass and composition, and about 10% will have their planets orbiting with a moderate eccentricity. |
| 08:02.01 | Ghelae | 10% 20% 20%* |
| 08:02.36 | Ghelae | Combining those, that's about 0.4% of systems with potentially habitable planets. |
| 08:04.18 | Ghelae | Based on a star count of 21 million, that's 84,000 planets. It's difficult to figure out how many of those planets would bear life, and then technological species. |
| 08:04.47 | Ghelae | The alternative calculation I might have done is based on the stated values for Cyrannus. |
| 08:06.26 | Ghelae | 30 million species across "several trillion" stars - let's assume 2.1 trillion for nice numbers - gives 300 species for Turr Kyolm. |
| 08:07.59 | Ghelae | Taking an intermediate method, with 0.1% of habitable planets becoming life-bearing - as the figure on the Cyrannus page is - means 0.1% of 84,000 which is 84 planets. |
| 08:08.29 | Liquid_Ink | I thought it was smaller than that |
| 08:08.43 | Liquid_Ink | Like the Turr Kyolm Belt would only realisitically have about ten more species |
| 08:10.34 | Liquid_Ink | Keeping in mind it has 34 different naturally life producing worlds |
| 08:10.41 | Ghelae | You currently have 61 species listed, although I've not taken into account common origins which will decrease the number of planetary origins. And that is lower than 10 less than 84, so clearly I've done a different calculation. |
| 08:10.56 | Ghelae | I suspect I went for the Cyrannus-based route, but only estimated the star count at 1 million. |
| 08:11.09 | Ghelae | That would then give my final estimate as 84/2.1 |
| 08:11.12 | Ghelae | ~84/2.1 |
| 08:11.12 | infobot | 40 |
| 08:11.35 | Ghelae | That's also a nice round number, and I seem to remember that being a property of the final result. |
| 08:12.01 | Liquid_Ink | So how large would a region of about ten species be? |
| 08:16.40 | Ghelae | 21 million stars divided by 4. |
| 08:16.50 | Ghelae | Assuming 40 was my guess. |
| 08:17.28 | Ghelae | More generally, if N million star systems gives 10n species, then 10 species exist in a region of N/n million stars. |
| 08:17.50 | Liquid_Ink | So about five million stars? |
| 08:18.32 | Ghelae | Sounds about right. |
| 08:19.44 | Ghelae | No, I think I just confused my two methods when describing them earlier. |
| 08:20.03 | Liquid_Ink | ? |
| 08:20.37 | Ghelae | If I assumed 1 trillion instead of 2.1 trillion stars for Cyrannus, I would have done 30 million * 21 million / 1 trillion = 30*21 = 630 species. |
| 08:21.07 | Ghelae | So if I did the pure-Cyrannus route, I would have to assumed a high star count. |
| 08:21.29 | Ghelae | I'd need 6.3 trillion stars to get the Turr Kyolm species count down to 100. |
| 08:22.50 | Ghelae | Unless I made the same mistake beforehand, that can't be how I got to original result. |
| 08:24.19 | Ghelae | I might have had lower estimates for habitability. If I thought only 10% of stars had moderate-eccentricity planets, that would half my final number from 84 to 42. |
| 08:24.22 | Ghelae | halve* |
| 08:27.18 | Liquid_Ink | So what's the basic equation? |
| 08:28.38 | Ghelae | Number of stars * fraction of systems with suitable stars * fraction of systems with suitable planets * fraction of systems with suitable eccentricities * fraction that go on to develop sapient species |
| 08:28.49 | Ghelae | Ooh. |
| 08:28.56 | Ghelae | There's one thing I've never considered: |
| 08:29.48 | Ghelae | if the given star count is the total number of stars - e.g. each binary system contributes 2 to the count - and multiple-star systems are common, that'll affect the final result. |
| 08:30.03 | Ghelae | The first term should be the total number of *systems*, not the number of stars. |
| 08:34.37 | Liquid_Ink | Do you ever think about the birthrate of massive galactic empires? |
| 08:35.05 | Ghelae | I've considered it has to be small because of the Fermi paradox. |
| 08:35.51 | Liquid_Ink | An ecumeneopolis with the population of Orbspira would, assuming a similar birthrate to the human species, produce enough children to fully populate a new world. |
| 08:37.02 | Liquid_Ink | Presumably, this is what faciliates the Cyrannian Empire's expansion. |
| 08:37.55 | Liquid_Ink | Of course, birthrates do fluctuate between regions. I hear it's connected to education rate. |
| 08:39.14 | Ghelae | Yes, amongst other sociological factors. We probably shouldn't take into account the birthrate of, say, rural sub-Saharan Africa to estimate the birthrate of Orbispira. |
| 08:39.45 | Liquid_Ink | Definitely not. |
| 08:40.20 | Liquid_Ink | Orbspirans are presumably more capable of access to contraceptives and government incentives to keep the birthrate down to the replacement rate |
| 08:40.29 | Liquid_Ink | I nearly said "contracentives" |
| 08:41.38 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 08:42.40 | Ghelae | And Orbispirans won't feel the need to have children to work on the farm, or to replace the ones they lose to preventable diseases. |
| 08:43.31 | Ghelae | On a related note to our previous topic, I've used the figures on the Cyrannus page - a little over 23% of systems have habitable planets, 0.1% of those are inhabited, and that gives 30 million species total - to work out that Cyrannus should only have 130 billion stars. |
| 08:43.42 | Ghelae | Cyr needs to add in a factor of 10% (stars suitable for life-bearing planets, probably) to get a star count of "several trillion". |
| 08:45.49 | Ghelae | If you're reading this in the logs, Cyrannian, take note. :P |
| 08:46.41 | Ghelae | Then if we do that to Turr Kyolm we get about 480 planets. |
| 08:49.58 | Liquid_Ink | Habitale planets? |
| 08:50.16 | Liquid_Ink | But not necessarily intelligent-life bearing? |
| 08:50.37 | Ghelae | No, with indigenous sapient life. |
| 08:50.46 | Liquid_Ink | Hmm. That's a lot |
| 08:51.08 | Ghelae | Then it's an additional factor of 0.2 - for suitable orbital eccentricity - that brought my estimate down to 84. |
| 08:52.19 | Ghelae | (It would be 97 if I'd used 23% instead of 20% for suitable planets.) |
| 10:31.14 | Liquid_Ink | Bantha's being a desert species seem unlikely to me. |
| 10:39.21 | Ghelae | Too much insulating fur? |
| 10:40.08 | Liquid_Ink | Yes. |
| 10:41.51 | Ghelae | Do you think they'd be suitable in cold desert regions, like the Gobi? |
| 10:42.23 | Liquid_Ink | Hmm. I hadn't though of that. |
| 10:43.09 | Liquid_Ink | But Tatooine is hot. |
| 11:00.34 | Ghelae | Certainly in some places where banthas have been seen, yes. |
| 11:02.11 | Ghelae | Still, I imagine they're the Star Wars equivalent of bactrian camels. |
| 11:02.50 | Liquid_Ink | I see |
| 11:02.53 | Ghelae | Although even they tend to be less hairy. |
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| 11:13.22 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 11:26.31 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 11:35.18 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 12:20.58 | Liquid_Ink | Nearly got this new region done. Just need a history section and a ton of pictures. |
| 12:25.02 | Ghelae | Are you still planning to wait until it's all finished before uploading it to the wiki? |
| 12:25.53 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, more or less. |
| 12:25.59 | Liquid_Ink | I might skimp on fully doing images. |
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| 12:31.16 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, one of the species in near-human |
| 12:31.21 | Liquid_Ink | I'm not good at near humans |
| 12:35.44 | Ghelae | The only two deliberately (i.e. not retconned) near-human races that I've ever made were a) one where I covered up the face and b) one where I used one of dino's models with minimal non-clothing changes. |
| 12:36.16 | Ghelae | One of the retconned ones doesn't even have a face, besides a mouth. |
| 12:36.28 | Ghelae | But images can always come later, yes. |
| 12:38.05 | Liquid_Ink | They're also partially feline |
| 12:39.38 | Liquid_Ink | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/5b/Zygerrians-SWE.png/revision/latest?cb=20160914024800 Based on the females here. |
| 12:39.50 | Liquid_Ink | The males are more cat than human and that's not what I'm aiming for |
| 12:43.46 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, I do have the symbols for all the civilisations. |
| 12:44.04 | Liquid_Ink | I've developed them quite a bit despite the fact they've all been assimilated by the DSB. |
| 12:44.31 | Liquid_Ink | I'm concerned I've made the DSB too imperialistic in the descriptions here. |
| 12:45.07 | Liquid_Ink | It downright conquers a nation for being too capitalist. |
| 12:47.57 | Ghelae | When is this supposed to have happened? |
| 12:48.23 | Liquid_Ink | Recently. |
| 12:48.39 | Liquid_Ink | I guess. After the Iron Bloc conflict but before the Vermulan War. |
| 12:48.55 | Ghelae | Right. Yes, you might want another motivation than just capitalism. |
| 12:50.40 | Ghelae | I don't know the full situation to give ideas, though. |
| 12:50.57 | Ghelae | An attack, or threat of attack, on DSB citizens could provide motivation to retaliate. |
| 12:51.38 | Ghelae | And I'm sure you could come up with capitalist motivations to make such a thing plausible. |
| 12:52.48 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, I did have another motivation. I forgot. They liberated the Empire by request of the rebels, and the Republic descided the freed ppopulations were their own and tried to muscle their way in, so the DSB decided that the Republic need liberation itself, after the liberated peoples asked that they not become part of the Republic again. |
| 12:55.12 | Liquid_Ink | I'm heading off to bed now. |
| 12:55.16 | Ghelae | There you go. |
| 12:55.19 | Ghelae | Okay, good night. |
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| 18:31.23 | Cyrannian | Hello Ghelae, how did the interviews go? |
| 18:33.39 | Ghelae | ~give Cyrannian a cookie |
| 18:33.39 | infobot | ACTION gives Cyrannian a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 18:33.48 | Ghelae | I was given a formal offer from Nottingham, Particle Theory, and I have accepted. |
| 18:34.01 | Cyrannian | Ooh excellent, congratulations! |
| 18:35.00 | Ghelae | I've since applied for accomodation, and now have nothing else I need to do until they give me an accomodation contract to deal with. |
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| 18:44.17 | Cyrannian | Do you start in September? |
| 18:44.25 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 18:44.33 | Cyrannian | Hai Wormy |
| 18:46.55 | Wormydroid | There's been some near collisions in this bus tonight |
| 18:47.58 | Wormydroid | I've counted 5 horns by other drivers in the past 15 minutes |
| 18:51.44 | Cyrannian | I'd say 80% of my tweets involve bus complaints |
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| 19:34.20 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 19:34.36 | Cyrannian | Ghelae: Wormydroid: Are either of you in the mood to write a SGCW battle tonight? |
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| 20:22.25 | Ghelae | Cyrannian: I can do that. |
| 20:22.43 | Ghelae | I would have responded earlier but I was AFK playing Lego Star Wars. |
| 20:23.08 | Ghelae | And the course start date is October 1, but that means I'll be moving in late September. |
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| 21:05.25 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: How about you, would you like to help write a SGCW battle? |
| 21:07.16 | Wormy_ | hm I want to, but I've got some report writing to do, by the time I've packed it in it might be late |
| 21:09.38 | Cyrannian | https://titanpad.com/kTDxO076vC |
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| 21:42.19 | Cyrannian | Liquid_Ink: https://titanpad.com/kTDxO076vC |
| 23:15.28 | Cyrannian | Ghelae: What colour of laser do you prefer for the Apalos? |
| 23:16.05 | Ghelae | Hmm. |
| 23:16.37 | Ghelae | How about violet? |
| 23:18.32 | Cyrannian | Lovely choice, only the finest laser bolts are violet, I hear. |
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