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08:53.46 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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15:40.55 | Wormydroid | http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/14/cigar-shaped-ufo-spotted-trailing-international-space-station-5750299/ |
15:43.24 | Ghelae | There's always UFOs around the ISS. I mean, based on the impression you'd get from all the sightings people claim to get from the live feeds. |
15:44.52 | Wormydroid | Lol |
15:45.39 | Wormydroid | That one is slightly better than most, but looks like a reflection of the ISS in the camera to me |
15:47.55 | Ghelae | Most likely. |
15:49.30 | Ghelae | That's the first thing I'd think upon seeing something perfectly tracking the camera like that. |
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16:46.53 | Wormy_ | hi |
16:52.05 | Ghelae | Hi |
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18:23.10 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: While I agree with many of your points, I don't really see the media milking this nonsense for what it's (not) worth like you say it does |
18:23.25 | The_Randomness | But perhaps that may be because I only pay attention to the more reasonable outlets |
18:23.55 | Wormy_ | I should show you |
18:25.38 | Wormy_ | Firstly, what really is the value of this opinion article? Look at how many comments it has. The value is that it brings viewers, it is not valuable to feminism or it's destractors however, because all they do is argue http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/17/revenant-leonardo-dicaprio-violent-meaningless-glorification-pain |
18:26.09 | Wormy_ | They become viral and make money |
18:27.09 | The_Randomness | Oh, so opinion sections |
18:27.55 | Wormy_ | It's not just that. The Verge, TIME magazine, and many more give overwhelming support to Anita Sarkeesian. Through them she has probably got a voice to even more people |
18:28.26 | The_Randomness | right |
18:28.38 | Wormy_ | Celebrities also use such magazines to endorse her, like Whil Wheaton, and that is good for them. |
18:29.33 | Wormy_ | All I'm saying is, they are leftist media sites that write and post for the radically left |
18:29.52 | Wormy_ | The Guardian is in itself, leftist-aligned |
18:31.35 | Wormy_ | It's like when Rockstar made a lot of fame and notoriety by selling their game on controversey. |
18:32.05 | The_Randomness | Right, I get what you're saying now |
18:32.55 | Wormy_ | I don't think it's as grand conspiracy or anything like that. It is just that controversey sells. I doubt much of these media companies really care about her views. |
18:33.12 | The_Randomness | But I think that warrants the condemnation of the outlets that give voice to such things instead of blanket condemnation of "media giants" |
18:33.52 | The_Randomness | brb |
18:34.35 | Wormy_ | Whatever it is, it is quite a sad state of affairs. It means Anita is only really talking to an uncritical fanbase or volatile detractors who make their online presence criticising her. |
18:36.50 | Wormy_ | If there is truth in that games cause sexism, whether or not her theories are right (though they are certainly not without criticism) won't matter. People will never listen to her, while media companies and the game industry makes a profit from the controversial they gain. Thus nothing will improve |
18:37.29 | Wormy_ | Worse, as discussed on #sporewiki, people start condemning all liberal and progreessive ideas as "SJW" |
18:43.29 | Wormy_ | I think social media blows the whole thing out of proportion anyway |
18:44.42 | Wormy_ | people rush to blame one political ideology or another |
18:45.47 | Wormy_ | I was one of them. I started thinking that liberalism and enlightenment thinking in the left was dying |
18:46.26 | Wormy_ | Now I realise that's simply because I was looking at a particular narrative of media, and watching particular people shouting |
18:46.36 | Wormy_ | All these ideologies make errors |
18:47.10 | Wormy_ | Also I have been talking with some journalist experts about the issue |
18:48.32 | Wormy_ | And there have always been activist subcultures too, and society is dedstroyed yet |
18:48.37 | Wormy_ | *isn't |
18:49.04 | Wormy_ | I.e. Objectivists, hippies, punks, and so on |
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20:34.16 | The_Randomness | ok, that wasn't quite brb |
20:34.50 | The_Randomness | well-put |
21:13.05 | Wormy_ | I wonder what would happen if Thatcher and Ayn Rand were put in the same room |
21:13.32 | The_Randomness | ech, ayn rand |
21:35.30 | Cyrannian | Thatcher would unhinge her jaw and swallow Ayn Rand whole of course |
21:35.52 | The_Randomness | nom |
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23:26.50 | The_Randomness | So, I've been watching Crash Course's series on philosophy, and their most recent episode covered empiricism and the disagreement between George Berkeley and John Locke |
23:27.54 | The_Randomness | And Berkeley came to the conclusion that nothing really exists unless it is perceived |
23:35.38 | The_Randomness | While this is interesting to think about, I have some problems about it that are difficult to explain |
23:39.18 | Wormy_ | I'm interested |
23:40.39 | The_Randomness | Let me link you the video |
23:40.52 | The_Randomness | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C-s4JrymKM |
23:45.24 | Wormy_ | I've read about Berkeley and Locke. One way to argue against Berkeley is that his universe ends up looking automatic and independent anyway. |
23:46.14 | The_Randomness | It also supposes the existence of an "ultimate observer" |
23:46.47 | The_Randomness | Which I, of course, do not agree with since I am an enlightened, euphoric human being |
23:48.08 | The_Randomness | More seriously, could you expand a bit on what you just said?| |
23:48.13 | Wormy_ | Because why one outcome, and not another? One would have to conclude it is the imagination, acting in an autonomous way. Same script that one lead one to rationalism and objective reality! |
23:49.11 | Wormy_ | It is not logically possible to refute it. But explanation of how and why we understand the world can dismiss it. |
23:49.24 | The_Randomness | oh yeah, I'm not saying that you can refute it |
23:49.47 | The_Randomness | But I am trying to form my own dismissal of it |
23:49.54 | The_Randomness | Just for fun :p |
23:53.10 | Wormy_ | Empiricism has it's own problems, but the argument against the radical form of it is more subtle. Scientists today, contrary to popular belief, are neither empiricists or rationalists |
23:53.49 | The_Randomness | right |
23:54.16 | Wormy_ | Karl Popper argued that science is conjectural, tested by observation and experiment (i.e empirical), but places the human element of rational thought, in producing explanations, at the centre. |
23:54.48 | Wormy_ | Critical rationalism, a sort of intertwining of the two |
23:54.54 | The_Randomness | I have a feeling that we'll end up covering what will be in the next video of the series lol |
23:55.26 | Wormy_ | Heh, we are probably ahead |
23:55.46 | The_Randomness | :p |
23:56.28 | Wormy_ | That's where "Science can't prove, only disprove" comes from |
23:56.40 | The_Randomness | I see |
23:58.07 | Wormy_ | You've got me on a tangent, hit on probably one of my favourite subjects |
23:58.23 | The_Randomness | Oh, feel free to ramble a bit, this is all very interesting |