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17:55.57 | Ghelae | Hello. |
17:59.45 | Irskaad | Yay Ghel *hug hug hug* |
18:19.09 | Ghelae | Blarg! |
18:19.50 | Cyrannian | Blarg! |
18:20.05 | Irskaad | YAY *Hugs both* |
18:24.01 | Irskaad | Where's the conference? |
18:24.45 | Cyrannian | Orbispira |
18:24.59 | Irskaad | And when is it going to happen? |
18:25.49 | Cyrannian | Perhaps tonight, if I'm not busy. |
18:26.09 | Irskaad | :3 |
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20:18.15 | Cyrannian | Irskaad: Are you there? |
20:18.54 | Monet | afaik h's eating. |
20:19.08 | Irskaad | I'm here |
20:19.23 | Cyrannian | Good, I've called you here to settle your differences. |
20:19.53 | Cyrannian | The main thing is, to stop the backhanded comments from both sides on IRC |
20:21.18 | Cyrannian | For example, Irsk you need to stop criticising everything in Monet's fiction so openly, and Monet you need to stop calling Irskaad's fiction moronic. |
20:22.17 | Monet | It would help if he fully understood it. I'm just saying. |
20:24.22 | Cyrannian | Irskaad: Do you agree to stop criticising it so heavily? |
20:24.33 | Irskaad | I'll try. |
20:25.45 | Monet | I try to find sense and someething worthwhile in it but a lot of the stuff they say and do makes me want to shout at my screen. |
20:26.03 | Irskaad | What are the most memorable things you shouted? |
20:26.18 | Cyrannian | Could you try and conceal your opinions, then? |
20:26.52 | Monet | I say a lot more that never goes on the IRC. |
20:28.13 | Monet | But I suppose, it doesn't really help the problem though. |
20:29.37 | Ghelae | Irskaad: "What are the most memorable things you shouted?" sounds almost like you enjoy triggering those reactions in people. |
20:30.22 | Monet | Yeah... |
20:31.15 | Irskaad | I just wanted to know. |
20:31.50 | Irskaad | Also I'll be in a D2 match soon, so... |
20:31.56 | Cyrannian | In short, do you both agree to at least be civil to each other? |
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20:32.17 | RubickAndroid | I'll try. |
20:32.22 | Monet | I can be civil. |
20:32.54 | Monet | But I just wish Irskaad was at least a little mroe open-minded. |
20:34.16 | Cyrannian | Trying to change another person doesn't help. We've all come to accept that part of his personalit |
20:34.19 | Cyrannian | *personality |
20:35.08 | RubickAndroid | Yeah... |
20:36.08 | Monet | And ignoring that it is a problem? |
20:36.22 | Ghelae | I directed a ":P" towards R17 a couple of days ago and he didn't go crazy at me for it. Anything's possible. :D |
20:38.22 | Monet | That is jut one tiny aspect of R17's personality. |
20:39.00 | Ghelae | It's still an improvement. |
20:40.12 | Monet | Raking over a single smiley within a certain context is different to being closed minded. |
20:40.34 | Monet | You're asking me to jut ignore a huge part of what made Irskaad who he is. |
20:40.42 | Monet | raging* |
20:41.09 | Ghelae | I'm not asking you to ignore anything. You seemed to interpret my comment as being on the other side of the discussion to your points. |
20:41.51 | Ghelae | If anything, I was agreeing with you that the conventional attitude of accepting things is unnecessarily defeatist. |
20:43.52 | Monet | I see, this confusion is probably realted to a another thing i feel is happening - When Irskaad's fiction is causing people to attack it, his fiction ends up better off. |
20:44.24 | Monet | As iff the users want ot make him happy. |
20:48.02 | Monet | A couple of examples I discovered: When the DI first appraoched the Kraw Empire they offered Pax Draconica, Varkeos rejects it with no sign of negotiation and Kies slanders it as imperialism. The EMprie coem in as the Kraw Empire is being attacked through reasons of it's own fault and Kies agrees with noly a little negotiation. An agreement I made to his empire months ago. |
20:49.21 | Cyrannian | That's because he prefers the Empire to the Imperium. |
20:49.35 | Monet | Because the Empire is evil and the Imperium isn't. |
20:49.46 | Monet | That is the ONLY reason I can see! |
20:50.46 | Monet | When Grochius dies at the end of the Andromeda War, Irskaad was the only one to cry over his death despite hwo much of a callous and inaane bastard the Grox king was. AndroGrox and KGGC merge, the new KGGC king renames himself empire becomes superpowered and threaten the Imperium. |
20:51.30 | Monet | Again, because Grochius was fucking evil. |
20:51.33 | Cyrannian | It's none of your business what he accepts to be honest. I've known Irskaad far longer than you, plus you two don't exactly have the best history together. That's probably another reason why he went for the Empire. |
20:51.36 | Monet | I'm sorry... |
20:52.04 | Monet | Also my deal was made while we were still getting along. |
20:52.49 | Monet | my protectorate deal was offered* |
20:53.36 | Cyrannian | He still knew me since he first joined the wiki, a year beforehand. |
20:53.46 | Cyrannian | I've no idea why you are getting annoyed by that. |
20:55.06 | Monet | I'm not annoyed that you know him more, I am annoyed that I cannot seem to find ANY common ground, and when I do, HE finds some excuse ot dismiss it! |
20:55.45 | Monet | I have had periods where I get thefeeling he only talks to me to provoke me. |
20:57.58 | Monet | And whenever I do find something interesting he's either going to forget it in a few days or was jsut toying with me by playing along that he was interested. |
20:58.10 | Cyrannian | So what if he likes other things? |
20:58.19 | Monet | Or he might not even MENTION he was not interested. |
20:59.33 | Monet | A few months ago I thought I managed to get him to wonder why the Amazon rainforest is so important and what could ahppen if we keep up the livestily he does - he forgets everything I said after a month. |
20:59.48 | Monet | lifestyle* |
21:00.06 | Monet | Two hours of my live wasted. |
21:02.43 | Cyrannian | Look, I really couldn't care less about how he annoyed you in the past. He already agreed to try not to annoy you in the future, likewise you shouldn't try to annoy him. |
21:03.29 | Monet | Do you think I haven't already tried that? |
21:04.09 | Monet | It feels like I am getting hit by a brick wall. |
21:04.14 | Cyrannian | Clearly it didn't work well enough. I recommend you try again. |
21:05.20 | Cyrannian | Because as I mentioned before, arguments are *not* tolerated any more. |
21:06.36 | Monet | You might not get this but I actually prefer playing the role of a tanker in most online RPGs than talking to him - I get a ton of crap every run I used to make. |
21:08.03 | Monet | Forget it. I am not in a great mood right now. |
21:09.04 | Monet | In fact I feel worse than when we started. |
21:12.16 | Cyrannian | I just need you two to stop arguing and act civil. Or ignore each other. Irsk has already agreed to stop commenting on your fiction. You should do the same. Because you are both a part of this equally, and that's coming from a neutral standpoint. |
21:13.43 | Monet | May as well, none of it actually interests me. so I am okay with not talking about it. |
21:15.44 | Cyrannian | Good. |
21:23.18 | Monet | Iapologise if I offended anyone, i guess I thoguht it had to be said. |
21:24.34 | Monet | I don't like the idea of bottling thigs up. |
21:26.36 | Monet | It doesn't help that the only people who I can talk to about this without them glassing over over half of the information are on this wiki. |
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