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| 00:07.58 | netcurse | slaps Kolie around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:08.02 | netcurse | Kolie |
| 00:08.10 | netcurse | Shefki offered his help. |
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| 01:04.50 | Aiiane | pokes kaelten |
| 01:05.58 | kaelten | sup Aiiane ? |
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| 01:08.17 | Aiiane | why does wowace have a horizontal scrollbar when viewed with a browser width of 1024? |
| 01:08.26 | Legorol | Hi, I have an incredibly noobish question: once i am on the homepage of www.curseforge.com, how do I actually browse available projects? |
| 01:08.37 | Legorol | I have clicked through every tab, link, etc. I could find on the homepage |
| 01:08.39 | Aiiane | pick a game on the right |
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| 01:14.09 | Legorol | Aiiane: thanks, that was very counterintuitive |
| 01:14.34 | Legorol | In order to do a top-down style browsing by categories, I didn't expect to have to click a link in a "top 4" style list |
| 01:17.01 | Aiiane | well, if you're just interested as a user of addons, that's mostly what Curse.com is designed for, as opposed to CurseForge |
| 01:17.37 | Legorol | is confuzzled a bit |
| 01:18.00 | Legorol | so.. curseforge projects somehow magically appear on curse.com as well? |
| 01:18.12 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:18.18 | Arrowmaster | so will wowace ones i think |
| 01:18.29 | Arrowmaster | nether is ment to be a user site |
| 01:19.10 | Legorol | I see.. so how are the details that are visible to the user on curse.com get filled in? Such as the Description, Change logs, Install guide etc. |
| 01:19.22 | Legorol | they are all automatically updated from some relevant details on curseforge? |
| 01:19.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:20.17 | Legorol | you see, i'm a bit puzzled here |
| 01:20.33 | Legorol | when i look at a project's page on curseforge, i can see different types of information than i see on curse |
| 01:20.36 | Legorol | for example: |
| 01:21.03 | Legorol | on a curse.com project's page, there are 5 textual information sections, they are labelled Description More Information Authors Changes Install |
| 01:21.26 | Legorol | how do these map to texts i can see on a curseforge.com project page? |
| 01:21.35 | Legorol | or better still, is this mapping documented anywhere? |
| 01:23.19 | Aiiane | Changes is based on the description for the latest file |
| 01:23.32 | Aiiane | authors is based on the authors of the project on CF |
| 01:24.08 | Aiiane | More Information is a spattering of various info from CF project settings |
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| 01:24.14 | Legorol | Let me rephrase: i'm sure you can give me the answer here and now, but let's make this a meta-question. If someone other than me came along tomorrow, where can they find a description of the mapping, so you don't have to answer this question again? |
| 01:24.19 | Aiiane | Install is the same for every mod, it's based on the game that mod is for |
| 01:24.30 | Aiiane | They shouldn't /need/ a description |
| 01:25.12 | Aiiane | filling in the fields properly on CF results in the Curse.com fields being properly filled in as well |
| 01:25.29 | Aiiane | those browsing the fields on Curse do not need to know what on CF generated them |
| 01:25.29 | Legorol | So what you are saying is that for the author, two pages with different layouts that map to the same project should be obvious how they map to each other |
| 01:25.41 | Aiiane | what I'm saying is that the author doesn't control the Curse.com layout |
| 01:25.57 | Aiiane | and the end-user doesn't need to know the CF layout |
| 01:25.59 | Legorol | I understand that, but indirectly he does. By filling in info on CF ;-) |
| 01:26.15 | Aiiane | yes, but he knows what to fill in on CF because the fields there have descriptions |
| 01:26.17 | Legorol | So you are saying: end-user should remain ignorant, and an author doesn't need to know. |
| 01:26.35 | Legorol | Well, sorry that I am a pain in the side and want to know :) |
| 01:26.46 | Legorol | I'm generally unhappy with "it's done for you" |
| 01:26.48 | Aiiane | and thus when the occasional user comes along, I can do what I juts did and tell you |
| 01:26.52 | Aiiane | *just |
| 01:26.56 | Legorol | fairly nuff |
| 01:27.00 | Legorol | btw, i'm not a user ;-) |
| 01:27.06 | Legorol | hence the indepth questions |
| 01:27.46 | Legorol | thanks a lot for the answer though |
| 01:28.32 | Legorol | What I'm doing right now is basically having a look at curse.com, curseforge.com and wowace.com from the point of view of how transparent the relationships/mappings are to someone without any prior knowledge of how these sites operate. |
| 01:29.01 | netcurse | and i'm sure we are doing lots of stuff ugly :P |
| 01:29.05 | Legorol | I'm sorry to give negative criticism, but so far I found that documentation is very lacking in this area. As an objective bystander, I found the relationship between the sites confusing and nonintuitive |
| 01:29.46 | netcurse | I do believe we could make links better |
| 01:29.51 | Legorol | For example, I haven't managed to find a single page on any of the sites (other than forum posts) that state that a curseforge project is automatically mapped to curse |
| 01:30.10 | Legorol | Of course I may have just missed such a page |
| 01:30.30 | Shefki | Did the WowAce switch happen today? |
| 01:30.38 | netcurse | it's switched right now |
| 01:30.49 | Legorol | netcurse: since i haven't visited curse in a long time and i'm very ignorant to curseforge, that's why I'd been looking at it today to see how intuitive it is for a first-time visitor |
| 01:30.59 | netcurse | i agree Legorol |
| 01:31.05 | netcurse | We are too much in our own worl |
| 01:31.08 | Legorol | i hope i'm not offending anyone :) |
| 01:31.09 | netcurse | if it make any sense |
| 01:31.17 | netcurse | we need to make things more clear |
| 01:31.24 | netcurse | no, this is good feedback |
| 01:31.25 | Legorol | yup, and a lot of these things develop over time and are semi-obvious to those who have been around |
| 01:31.25 | Shefki | Suppose I need to merge my wowace stuff with the other existing projects. |
| 01:31.38 | Legorol | see, here comes shefki |
| 01:31.52 | Legorol | I don't know who shefki is, but he doesn't know if he needs to merge his wowace stuff with curseforge or not |
| 01:31.54 | Legorol | or how to do it |
| 01:32.01 | Legorol | or that it's done for him already (possibly) |
| 01:32.04 | Shefki | Ohh I know I needed to do it. |
| 01:32.08 | Shefki | I'll admit I don't know how. |
| 01:32.19 | Shefki | Just wasn't sure if the switch happened today. It's been scheduled before and not happened. |
| 01:32.21 | Legorol | well, how do you know you needed to do it? |
| 01:32.33 | Legorol | maybe they merged it |
| 01:32.37 | Legorol | maybe they haven't |
| 01:32.41 | netcurse | ;) |
| 01:32.49 | Shefki | Becuase I have some of my projects listed twice on my projects tab on curseforge. :) |
| 01:33.02 | netcurse | Kaelten |
| 01:33.10 | kaelten | yo |
| 01:33.46 | Legorol | netcurse: I think what it comes down to is that there is a lot of helpfulness from you guys over IRC, which is fantastic, but there is very little or no process-documentation. |
| 01:33.57 | Legorol | but i already told this to kaelten in #wowace ;-) |
| 01:35.42 | kaelten | Legorol you're making good points. I'll see what we can do to help expand the documentation level in the knowledge base |
| 01:36.14 | kaelten | We're adding to it as we realize the needs for more documentation |
| 01:36.14 | Legorol | Unfortunately, I realise this is one of the most boring and potentially time consuming aspects of any project :/ |
| 01:36.19 | kaelten | indeed |
| 01:36.26 | Legorol | so i'm sorry to be a pain |
| 01:36.32 | netcurse | no are right Legorol |
| 01:36.34 | netcurse | you |
| 01:36.47 | kaelten | but also we're not very good at documenting before the questions popup |
| 01:36.49 | kaelten | na man, its ok |
| 01:36.54 | Legorol | If you may permit a final example: |
| 01:37.20 | Legorol | When I visited www.curseforge.com for the first time, the first question in my head was "what is this site, what is it for, and where is the documentation for it" |
| 01:37.26 | Legorol | Now I'm not a typical user/author |
| 01:37.42 | Legorol | The typical author will want to get in on the thick of things by trial and error, and click their way through the site |
| 01:37.51 | Legorol | The site is fairly well set up for that |
| 01:38.01 | kaelten | one thing we're going to do soon is open the knowledge base so that more than just two of us can contribute to the docs. |
| 01:38.21 | kaelten | glad to hear that, I've spent a good deal of time trying to think of how to make the site more intuitive, heh |
| 01:39.34 | Legorol | i'd hazard to say that for a typical author, it's fairly good |
| 01:39.43 | Legorol | most authors are hackers, and the site is good for hacking away straight away |
| 01:39.47 | netcurse | kaelten, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Main_Page should redirect to wowace.com |
| 01:39.56 | Legorol | i'm more of a person who likes frameworks, manuals, and structures |
| 01:40.06 | Legorol | btw, i found the page i was looking for: http://wow.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/curse-forge-faq/ |
| 01:40.34 | Legorol | that's a pretty good page, it's a pity it's buried on page 2 of the knowledge base among more technical and more specific entries |
| 01:40.37 | kaelten | netcurse: *nods* |
| 01:41.03 | kaelten | Legorol: also on our list of things to fix actually. I want to give it more of a wiki feel |
| 01:41.10 | kaelten | so there is the main page with sub pages etc |
| 01:41.15 | kaelten | I think it'll help people find things |
| 01:41.16 | Legorol | that sounds good |
| 01:41.33 | Legorol | well i'll stop bugging you guys now, i'm sure you have plenty things to do :) |
| 01:41.48 | kaelten | :) |
| 01:42.02 | Quaiche | kaelten or ckknight: what is the ordering of projects on my CF homepage? Last updated == Last commit? Or something else? |
| 01:42.22 | kaelten | Quaiche: more like the lasttime that something happened to it, regardless of what it was really |
| 01:42.34 | kaelten | that field updates just about anytime we do project.save() |
| 01:42.56 | Legorol | now i'll switch into dumb author mode and ask specific questions :) |
| 01:43.03 | Quaiche | So "svn ci" will do it? And that is the sort order on my home page project list? |
| 01:43.12 | kaelten | Legorol: lol |
| 01:43.16 | Quaiche | I want alpha sort. :P |
| 01:43.27 | kaelten | Quaiche: actually svnci may not do it |
| 01:43.30 | Quaiche | And two groups: Active projects and Inactive projects |
| 01:43.32 | Quaiche | BOOOO! |
| 01:43.36 | kaelten | although when a new package is made it would do it |
| 01:43.46 | kaelten | Quaiche: for that I'll ask you to make me a ticket :) |
| 01:43.56 | Legorol | oh, i thought of a good one: |
| 01:44.00 | Quaiche | That answer is dead to me. Tickets seem to go unanswered. |
| 01:44.03 | Quaiche | Sorry |
| 01:44.08 | kaelten | Quaiche: I promise you they don't |
| 01:44.22 | Legorol | besides the slightly different colourscheme/style and the difference in brandname, is there any particular advantage to having a project on curseforge vs. wowace? |
| 01:44.25 | Legorol | and vice versa |
| 01:44.26 | kaelten | they might have this last week or so but thats because we've been focused and haven't been able to work on them |
| 01:44.31 | Quaiche | Then someone should either reject it or reply on it. Else it feels dead. |
| 01:44.34 | kaelten | Legorol: different communities |
| 01:44.43 | kaelten | Quaiche: we'll clean house this week :) |
| 01:44.52 | Quaiche | Hokay |
| 01:45.02 | Legorol | kaelten: that'd come under brandname |
| 01:45.28 | kaelten | not to me |
| 01:45.30 | kaelten | but if you say so |
| 01:45.41 | Legorol | I guess the $1mil question is: why bother having two if the framework is identical |
| 01:45.51 | Legorol | seems like the forums are now shared too |
| 01:45.58 | kaelten | mainly because the communities are so different |
| 01:46.05 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 01:46.11 | kaelten | Also the site do and will probably continue to function differently |
| 01:46.18 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:46.47 | kaelten | we have the flexibility to diverge the two sites as much as we need/want to |
| 01:46.49 | kaelten | :) |
| 01:47.03 | Legorol | where can i find documentation on how does the CurseClient decide whether to update a project form curseforge or from wowace? |
| 01:47.12 | Legorol | kaelten: ok i see the point |
| 01:47.28 | Legorol | s/form/from |
| 01:47.48 | kaelten | Legorol: more or less the answer is that it locks into a single project regardless of where it originates from |
| 01:47.59 | kaelten | now it does attempt to make a best guess first time it sees it |
| 01:48.03 | kaelten | but if it can't it asks you |
| 01:48.22 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:48.39 | Legorol | is there no way to have a wowace-branded CurseClient as well? separate from the one belonging to curseforge |
| 01:49.04 | Arrowmaster | why would there? |
| 01:49.08 | Quaiche | Is the content field in a ticket wiki markup or just text? |
| 01:49.17 | Legorol | seems odd to have two separate sites, as you said due to various distinctions between the two, but only have one updater app for them |
| 01:49.34 | netcurse | the updater update all the addons on both of sites |
| 01:50.10 | Legorol | all right, hypothetical scenario: author Mr. X keeps his project codenamed Blue both on curseforge and on wowace |
| 01:50.16 | Legorol | they are not kept in sync, so they have different content |
| 01:50.39 | Legorol | he'd like to allow the user to choose which, if not both, to use |
| 01:50.47 | Legorol | am i being paranoid here? |
| 01:50.48 | kaelten | Legorol: well the client actually acts off of curse.com, not wowace or curseforge directly, so there is only one pool for it use. |
| 01:51.06 | Legorol | oh i see |
| 01:51.08 | kaelten | and author Mr. X will be encouraged to merge his two projects. |
| 01:51.22 | Arrowmaster | so which gets posted to curse if theres two? |
| 01:51.25 | Legorol | well you yourself said that the two sites are kept separate for various reasons ;-) |
| 01:51.32 | kaelten | Arrowmaster: both :) |
| 01:51.36 | Quaiche | @ticket CurseForge 646 |
| 01:51.36 | Legorol | i was going to ask what Arrowmaster said, but a bit more generically |
| 01:51.54 | Legorol | again, where's the description of the syndication process from wowace->curse and curseforge->curse ;) |
| 01:52.05 | Quaiche | O.o |
| 01:52.14 | Quaiche | Wrong syntax. Never can remember how to talk to the bot |
| 01:52.15 | Repo | Quaiche: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/646-home-project-list-enhancements/. 646 - Home Project List Enhancements. Reported by: Quaiche. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 62 seconds ago. Component: Projects. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 01:52.18 | Quaiche | There we go |
| 01:52.23 | Quaiche | Hi Repo! |
| 01:52.47 | kaelten | Legorol: of course. but there are things that the sites share and there are functionalities to bridge the gap as it where. |
| 01:52.50 | Arrowmaster | kaelten: they will show up as different projects on curse? |
| 01:53.07 | ulic | wowace.com/knowledge-base has CurseForge.com in the banner links and the <title> tag, ticket it? |
| 01:53.28 | Legorol | kaelten: I guess I can finally identify the question that was lurking in my head. On one hand you are encouraging diversification/competition by having two different "branding": curseforge and wowace. |
| 01:53.28 | kaelten | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 01:53.51 | kaelten | ulic: technical limitation, will be fixed soon |
| 01:53.57 | Legorol | On the other hand, you are encouraging linking by having the projects in sync/only posted on one/whatever else i'm not aware of and by having them both appear to end-users via curse.com and a single clinet |
| 01:54.19 | Arrowmaster | the idea is this |
| 01:54.28 | Arrowmaster | i get to kick all the fucktards out of wowace |
| 01:54.32 | ulic | Legorol: I think you nailed it, diverse communities for developers, easy single point for end-users. |
| 01:54.42 | Arrowmaster | afk |
| 01:54.54 | kaelten | pretty much ulic. |
| 01:55.04 | Legorol | ulic: which, at least to me, is a bit of a problem. again, i'm neither a typical user nor a typical author. |
| 01:55.10 | kaelten | Also allows the developers that want to to just hide from the users, but thats another story. |
| 01:55.26 | Legorol | But when I visit a particular brand to get my addons from there, i expect interaction with the authors in that community and that community alone |
| 01:56.25 | Legorol | Hypothetical example: I may wish to express support for wowace but not for curseforge. I'm not able to make that distinction by being selective about which addons I download, if they are all presented to me via curse.com |
| 01:56.52 | Legorol | or is this overcomplicating things? |
| 01:56.58 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:57.00 | kaelten | I understand your point |
| 01:57.06 | kaelten | but I have no answer for that hypothesis |
| 01:57.49 | Legorol | Well thanks for the chat, at least I now have a clear picture of the communities/processes/ideas behind it all, it's a pity I had to come and waste you guys time on IRC for that :) |
| 01:58.09 | kaelten | no worries man, its been enlightening on both ends, and I hope you drop by again :) |
| 01:59.57 | Arrowmaster | wowace will probably be the real community |
| 02:00.09 | Arrowmaster | and curseforge will be where everybody else we dont let in goes |
| 02:00.40 | ulic | yea I see cf as more as an indie authors site. |
| 02:01.00 | Shefki | I really despise that attitude Arrowmaster. It perpetuates the myth that only wowace addons are good. |
| 02:01.20 | Arrowmaster | but they will be in the future |
| 02:01.49 | netcurse | the top 5 addons, i think only 2 of them use ace =P |
| 02:02.04 | Shefki | There will always be good non-wowace addons and some crappy wowace addons. |
| 02:02.32 | Quaiche | So... what does "Abandon Project" actually do? |
| 02:02.43 | Arrowmaster | there wont be crappy wowace addons once i have the power to move projects between sites |
| 02:03.10 | Quaiche | I think Arrowmaster just said he shouldn't be given such power. |
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| 02:04.00 | Arrowmaster | its trademark protection |
| 02:04.12 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: could you please explain to me what an "Ace addon" is then? :) |
| 02:04.14 | Arrowmaster | if we dont protect the name it becomes meaningless |
| 02:04.19 | Quaiche | omg |
| 02:04.22 | netcurse | lol |
| 02:04.23 | Quaiche | You have got to be kidding me |
| 02:04.50 | Arrowmaster | and 'Ace addon' means the person whos talking about it is a fucktard |
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| 02:05.21 | Arrowmaster | and thinks name matters when anybody can say their addon is an 'ace addon' |
| 02:05.33 | pastamancer | no wai, grid is awesome only because it's ace! |
| 02:05.48 | Quaiche | My fav is AceaceacE |
| 02:05.48 | Legorol | so in your vision, wowace-branded addons are those that fit in with its author community, curseforge-branded addons are free for all, but they are both syndicated to curse.com and the enduser can't see the distinction |
| 02:05.53 | Arrowmaster | pastamancer: thats it im kicking you to curseforge! |
| 02:05.56 | Legorol | i'm gobsmacked |
| 02:06.00 | pastamancer | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 02:06.04 | Arrowmaster | afk twins |
| 02:07.48 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: actually yes, everybody that posted their addon on wowace just because of WAU and never even tried to become part of the community can get the fuck out |
| 02:08.13 | Quaiche | That sure makes people wanna come play with you Arrowmaster |
| 02:08.15 | Quaiche | :) |
| 02:08.18 | Legorol | all right, i understand (and even possibly agree with) the sentiment |
| 02:08.22 | Arrowmaster | thats the exact reason i have this hostility, because the community never grew just the people that abused it |
| 02:08.24 | netcurse | i don't approve this behaviour btw legorol, but this is mostly Kaelten call |
| 02:08.29 | Kody | Legorol: Wowace exists because shutting down an already existing community is only something dumb people do. Especially when that community is thriving. CurseForge is built to support more than just WoW (and in fact, its usage for Warhammer is greater than its usage for WoW at the moment), and will continue to support any new games that allow interface modification. |
| 02:08.35 | Legorol | but the enduser will now not be able to see that difference |
| 02:08.49 | Shefki | I'll point out my non-ace addons were never added to wowace. |
| 02:08.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah remember i am in no way affiliated with curse |
| 02:08.56 | Shefki | Not everyone abused it. |
| 02:09.04 | Legorol | netcurse: that's fine, you don't need to be defensive ;-) i'm not going to be blaming anyone or be hostile to anyone |
| 02:09.24 | netcurse | but in the future we could support more *framework* |
| 02:09.29 | Shefki | And while I'm by no means a huge contributor, I have fixed my share of bugs in other addons, libraries and so on. |
| 02:09.32 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: actually there are non ace addons on wowace, and using ace doesnt mean you part of the community |
| 02:10.13 | kaelten | netcurse: ? |
| 02:10.14 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I'm perfectly aware of that. Why do you think I just said I never di that. |
| 02:10.17 | kaelten | what behavior? |
| 02:10.22 | Legorol | I still can't shake the feeling that presenting two distinct author communities via a single portal to the enduser is not a smart idea |
| 02:10.23 | Kody | In the end, there's really no difference between Wowace and CurseForge, and you're right, the end user won't know there's a difference |
| 02:10.30 | Kody | Because the end user isn't the target of either of those websites |
| 02:10.37 | Kody | So they don't belong there in the first place :P |
| 02:11.05 | Arrowmaster | heres an example, grayhoof who wrote SCT and some other stuff |
| 02:11.21 | Legorol | Kody: unfortunately if there is one thing that I have learnt over the past 3.5 years watching the addon community, it is that endusers often behave like football fans. |
| 02:11.30 | Arrowmaster | he switched to ace2 when it was the 'in thing' because idiots kept bugging him about it |
| 02:11.30 | kaelten | Legorol: at the same time there is nothing for you to go on other than your feelings. I'mnot aware of much of a precedent. |
| 02:11.34 | Legorol | Hiding the author layer from the user layer is both good and bad. |
| 02:11.48 | Arrowmaster | he never really learned it and SCT is full of plain retarded stuff |
| 02:11.57 | kaelten | Kody: You're wrong though there are very real differences between the sites. |
| 02:12.07 | Arrowmaster | and all his addons on wowace are locked down at his request so nobody else can touch them |
| 02:12.17 | Arrowmaster | hes not part of the wowace community at all imho |
| 02:12.41 | Arrowmaster | he just used Ace2 |
| 02:12.50 | Quaiche | Arrowmaster: So to be "in the community" means what? You come here and berate people? You participate in the forums? Ur an uber lua hacker? What? |
| 02:12.51 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: how do you envision the interaction will happen between endusers and the wowace author community? |
| 02:13.01 | Arrowmaster | afk twins again |
| 02:13.07 | Quaiche | lol |
| 02:13.38 | Arrowmaster | ok done wiping |
| 02:13.42 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:14.08 | Arrowmaster | being 'in the community' means actually you know participating with other authors |
| 02:14.17 | Legorol | I may be wrong here, but by having user layer of the wowace addons abstracted away and filtered through the curse.com brand, you will change a lot of the image of wowace |
| 02:14.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont think he ever posted on the forums in any thread but his own addons and he never came on irc |
| 02:14.44 | Legorol | Ultimately, addons are not just by/for the authors, they are for users |
| 02:14.46 | Kody | What is the image of Wowace? |
| 02:14.53 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 02:15.04 | Arrowmaster | and users dont need to know the difference between wowace and curseforge |
| 02:15.08 | Legorol | I couldn't possibly define it any more than I could define the image of a football club |
| 02:15.16 | Kody | It's a wiki, forums, and a files listing, but what is the real image? |
| 02:15.27 | netcurse | i think this discussion show exactly why we kept both separated actually |
| 02:15.27 | netcurse | :) |
| 02:15.28 | Arrowmaster | depends on who you ask |
| 02:15.40 | Kody | Alright, Arrowmaster what is Wowace to you as a website? |
| 02:15.41 | Shefki | A lot of end users believe it implies quality. |
| 02:15.41 | Quaiche | Good call netcurse |
| 02:15.44 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: I think that's a very bad way of thinking about users. You are irresponsible if you beleive that addons exist only in the user-land |
| 02:15.58 | Legorol | s/user-land/author-land/ |
| 02:16.05 | Ackis | ckknight: did mods lose the ability to close reports? |
| 02:16.15 | Kaelten | Agreed netcurse |
| 02:16.20 | Quaiche | Legorol: Many Ace authors have been guilty of that almost since the beginning. |
| 02:16.20 | ulic | Yea, I'd say Ace addons imply some quality, now I know it's not always true, but I think it's implied. |
| 02:16.24 | netcurse | ========= |
| 02:16.25 | netcurse | ========= |
| 02:16.25 | netcurse | ========= |
| 02:16.26 | netcurse | ========= |
| 02:16.31 | Arrowmaster | ulic: its not at all |
| 02:16.40 | Ackis | or Kaelten |
| 02:16.41 | Arrowmaster | most addons on wowace lack quality |
| 02:16.48 | Quaiche | netcurse throws a line break! |
| 02:16.57 | Kaelten | Guys, this conversation is quickly getting anti productive |
| 02:17.00 | Legorol | I may be wrong here, but I feel that wowace has an "image" that is partly upheld by a large devoted userbase. (Whatever that image is) |
| 02:17.16 | Arrowmaster | no that image is false |
| 02:17.30 | Arrowmaster | it started that way but was diluted |
| 02:17.35 | ulic | Arrowmaster: ok so 90% of the addons suck, I still think the Ace tag implies quality to most of the general public, I could be totally wrong though, but from dealing with guildies, I think they feel that way. |
| 02:17.41 | Ackis | I have a pimple on my butt and it hurts |
| 02:17.43 | Legorol | I'll respect Kaelten's call and end this line of convo :) |
| 02:17.51 | Kody | The image of Wowace to 1 million people is: Wowace.com has an updater that you can download and keep your addons updated |
| 02:17.55 | Arrowmaster | ulic: yes thats exactly it |
| 02:18.05 | Kody | Or well, it's not 1 million people using the client, but you get the idea |
| 02:18.14 | Kody | The image to the majority of people is nothing about the website |
| 02:18.26 | netcurse | omg people |
| 02:18.31 | Arrowmaster | users that dont know any better know the difference between wowace and other sites but have the wrong idea |
| 02:18.42 | netcurse | this is WHY we kept both author community separated |
| 02:18.49 | netcurse | and if more frameworks wants to host with us |
| 02:18.53 | netcurse | we ll create a site for them ;) |
| 02:19.04 | Arrowmaster | yes exactly |
| 02:19.08 | Arrowmaster | afk twins again |
| 02:19.10 | ulic | oh ulicsleetlibs.com here we come :) |
| 02:19.22 | Legorol | netcurse: however, until now, you had the userbase separated as well (in theory at least), but you have merged it now. That's a big change. |
| 02:19.27 | Kody | Can you create a website for my UI pack plzzzz |
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| 02:20.42 | Quaiche | KodysUIPacks.net |
| 02:21.30 | Ackis | if girls with big boobs work at hooters where do girls with 1 leg work? |
| 02:21.43 | Quaiche | hoppers? |
| 02:21.44 | ulic | IHOP |
| 02:21.46 | Ackis | ihop |
| 02:21.52 | Ackis | hahahahahah |
| 02:22.56 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but i would guess that amoung the more active members of the wowace dev community that people would be for users not even seeing wowace unless you wanted to explicitly point it out to them |
| 02:23.42 | netcurse | http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/septembermadnessb.jpg |
| 02:23.44 | netcurse | who will win? |
| 02:23.53 | netcurse | i vote for BOA |
| 02:25.20 | Kuja^ | Kaelten: typo: go to, for example http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/why-use-revision-control/ look at facts -> last updateed |
| 02:26.18 | Kaelten | ? |
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| 02:27.01 | Kuja^ | theres an e too much |
| 02:28.03 | Shefki | Incidentally, the IRC channel for Subversion is #svn not #subversion |
| 02:28.24 | ian_` | :) |
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| 02:40.41 | Quaiche | Is there a flag for whether an addon supports TOC 30000 or not? |
| 02:42.58 | Shefki | Should be on each file. |
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| 02:54.50 | Repo | [WAR] 10ovdelve: 03Ovron 041.0-stable * r6 : Initial release, tagged 1.0-stable. |
| 02:55.28 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 04v0.1Beta * r3 : Tagging initial beta release of LootBrag. |
| 02:55.30 | Repo | LootBrag allows, with a single click, to post all the stats of any item into your current chat window. |
| 03:03.23 | Repo | [WAR] 10ace3: 03Aiiane * r8 / (5 files in 3 directories): Make pkgmeta work better? |
| 03:03.24 | Repo | Update .pkgmeta to move out AceLocale folder as well. |
| 03:03.25 | Repo | Add AceLocale port. |
| 03:03.31 | Repo | Change to a unique MAJOR name for the WAR version. |
| 03:03.37 | Repo | Update to an actually-working copy of libstub. |
| 03:05.10 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: wtf are you doing? |
| 03:05.34 | Arrowmaster | oh nvm WAR not WoW |
| 03:06.10 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:06.22 | Aiiane | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 03:06.22 | purl | executes killall -HUP Arrowmaster |
| 03:06.49 | Arrowmaster | i thought libstub wasnt really usable for WAR? |
| 03:06.51 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 * r4 LootBrag.mod: Updating version number in mod. |
| 03:07.00 | Aiiane | that's an overgeneralization |
| 03:07.07 | Aiiane | it depends on what you need to do |
| 03:07.41 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 04v0.2Beta * r5 : Tagging Beta v0.2 release |
| 03:07.43 | Aiiane | if you need something that requires a .mod file, then no, it's not usable |
| 03:07.54 | Aiiane | if you don't need anything from the .mod options though, you can |
| 03:11.12 | Legorol | Is there an official page/forum/whatnot for WAR about UI modding? |
| 03:11.40 | Legorol | I tried to navigate through the WAR site but I couldn't even find a link to official forums, let alone any mention of UI modding |
| 03:11.45 | netcurse | www.thewarwiki.com |
| 03:12.21 | netcurse | and #waruidev |
| 03:12.50 | Legorol | cheers |
| 03:14.15 | Aiiane | ~warapi |
| 03:14.16 | purl | it has been said that warapi is http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/WAR_API |
| 03:14.34 | Aiiane | it's not official-official, but it's the best resource right now |
| 03:14.52 | Aiiane | the UI forums at WHA (warhammeralliance.com) are also a decent place to check |
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| 03:36.48 | Quaiche | Still not seeing how to mark my addon as "3.0 compatible" |
| 03:38.40 | Shefki | Edit a file on curseforge. |
| 03:38.59 | Shefki | There's a drop down that says Game Version. |
| 03:40.19 | Repo | [WAR] 10junkdump: 03Daegalus * r56 / (4 files in 1 directory): Added tag 1.0rc2 for changeset 0ec5ffa3984d (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 03:40.20 | Repo | Added: Dynamic generation of Bag Number checkboxes in GUI |
| 03:40.24 | Repo | Fixed: Typos |
| 03:40.30 | Repo | Working On: Additions/Exceptions GUI. Initial attempts are in (don't work). |
| 03:40.36 | Repo | Removed tag 1.0rc2 |
| 03:40.57 | Repo | [WAR] 10ovdelve: 03Ovron 041.0.fixed.stable * r9 : Initial release *Fixed* |
| 03:41.03 | Quaiche | Shefki: UGH! I have to to that for each file? |
| 03:41.07 | Quaiche | No default? |
| 03:42.24 | Repo | [WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza * r73 / (5 files in 4 directories): |
| 03:42.25 | Repo | -- modified shortcut bar skin schema allowing for spacing between buttons. |
| 03:42.25 | Repo | -- 'add friend'' shortcut is now shown when applicable. |
| 03:42.27 | Repo | -- changed order of operations in math equation to avoid chance of dividing by 0. |
| 03:42.31 | Repo | -- friend & guild cache now recycles their own tables. make gc happier. |
| 03:47.05 | ZorbaTHut | sadly I don't really see a way to indicate "2.4.3 and 3.0 compatible" |
| 03:47.09 | Shefki | Quaiche: I assume it defaults to the current version. |
| 03:47.12 | ZorbaTHut | but it's not like it'll matter after 3.0 anyway, so |
| 03:47.27 | Quaiche | Just wanted to update projects that are 3.0 in one place and not on every tag |
| 03:48.20 | Repo | [WAR] 10ace3: 03Aiiane * r10 / (3 files in 2 directories): Added tag WAR-3.0.1 for changeset c11da478a19e |
| 03:48.22 | Repo | Swap WAR AceAddon back to using its previous version of detecting base UI load; LOADING_END isn't the event we're looking for. |
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| 03:59.37 | Repo | [WAR] 10mousetargetfix: 03silverq * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial import |
| 04:02.09 | Repo | [WAR] 10mousetargetfix: 03silverq 041.0 * r3 : Tagging as 1.0 |
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| 04:26.23 | Repo | [WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki * r214 Changelog.txt: Update for Changelog for release. |
| 04:31.22 | Repo | [WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki 0420080929-r214-Beta-Shefki * r215 : TBag for 20080929-r214-Beta |
| 04:37.08 | pastamancer | how's the svn migration? |
| 04:39.50 | Arrowmaster | done i think |
| 04:40.07 | Arrowmaster | they will finish the forum conversion tomorrow |
| 04:43.26 | Repo | [WAR] 10closetgoblin: 03GnomeTank * r21 / (4 files in 1 directory): * Fixed the pocket item bug. Pocket slot 1 is now usable. |
| 04:43.27 | Repo | * Added a unique item check that is based on the number of a uniqueID you own. This now prints a message, but does not prevent you from adding the item. |
| 04:43.35 | Repo | * Added a 'unique-item-message' option to suppress the message. |
| 04:44.30 | Repo | [WAR] 10closetgoblin: 03GnomeTank 04v1.0beta7 * r22 : Tagging as v1.0beta7. |
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| 04:49.08 | pastamancer | I didn't hear anything from kaelten on the few troublesome addons, so I'm assuming he was able to do something with the dumps I sent him a while ago |
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| 05:23.00 | Repo | [WAR] 10diebuffsdie: 03Aiiane 071.2 * 1.2 / (2 files in 1 directory): (3 revisions total) |
| 05:23.01 | Repo | Get rid of an error message on load. |
| 05:23.03 | Repo | Bugfixes. |
| 05:23.09 | Repo | Initial commit. |
| 05:23.29 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 * r6 Source/LootBrag.lua: Adding dps of the weapon. |
| 05:30.32 | Repo | [WAR] 10queststep: 03Molikar * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:30.32 | Repo | Update quest cache during INTERACT_ACCEPT_QUEST and INTERACT_COMPLETE_QUEST events |
| 05:34.20 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 * r7 Source/LootBrag.lua: adding version to init mesage |
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| 05:43.33 | Lothaer | OMG some people are such cry babies |
| 05:44.45 | Lothaer | there is a thread over at worldofwar and from the looks of it it was posted by a former blizzard employee that was fired recently and has apparently spilled some beans about a future expansion, it could all be fake but still i reported the thread |
| 05:49.21 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 * r8 Source/LootBrag.lua: Fixing issue with init string from previous checkin. |
| 05:56.09 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 * r9 / (2 files in 2 directories): Updating versions in prep for 0.3Beta tag |
| 05:56.54 | Repo | [WAR] 10lootbrag: 03beeblebrox42 04v0.3Beta * r10 : Adds DPS to items and version number to init string. |
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| 06:09.49 | Repo | [WAR] 10ovdelve: 03Ovron * r10 ovdelve.lua: |
| 06:09.50 | Repo | Modified ovdelve.lua to do potion-lookup using a function user:beeblebrox42 discovered. |
| 06:12.37 | Repo | [WAR] 10ovdelve: 03Ovron 04v1.0a * r11 : |
| 06:12.39 | Repo | Modified how the addon retrieves potion ifnromation, based on a find by user:beeblebrox42. |
| 06:12.40 | Repo | Removed loads of now obselete code due to the above. |
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| 06:17.45 | orionshock | is a admin around i can bother? Kaelten or ckknight maybe? my UserID is borked won't let me login to the forums... |
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| 06:36.16 | Repo | [WoW] 10guildcraft: 03OrionShock 06wotlk-branch * r71 GuildCraft-WotLK.toc: guildcraft - update toc file |
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| 06:41.52 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532277928&sid=2000&pageNo=5#86 someone please quote the "I'm not sure if it's kosher for me to call out specific sites, so we can just wink and nod here." and just link him this: http://elitistjerks.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=3696 |
| 06:41.57 | sag_ich_nicht | quick while GC is still around |
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| 06:50.34 | Repo | [WAR] 10libstats: 03pwerelds * r9 / (3 files in 1 directory): Initial commit for the Units library. |
| 06:50.35 | Repo | * Will unify the format between all three group formats |
| 06:50.37 | Repo | * Will have functionality to retrieve stats for a specific unit, based on a format string |
| 06:50.43 | Repo | * Hallas will be a co-author on the project now, he will be taking care of researching the available groupdata so we can make this work. |
| 06:53.36 | Repo | [WAR] 10ovdelve: 03Ovron 041.0a.stable * r12 : |
| 06:53.37 | Repo | Making 1.0a a release, didn't follow the rules to make it such with the previous tagging. *Slaps self* |
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| 06:54.20 | charon | morning |
| 06:54.29 | nevcairiel | morning |
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| 06:59.17 | Adirelle | ckknight: still some issue with the repos ? |
| 06:59.24 | Adirelle | ~seen ckknight |
| 06:59.27 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (6h 47m 55s) #norganna (6h 47m 55s) #wowuidev (6h 47m 55s) #wowace (6h 47m 55s) #curseforge (6h 47m 55s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 3h 13m 39s, last said: 'actually, the CF zip uses \r\n, which are windows newlines'. |
| 07:00.57 | Repo | [WAR] 10preciousss: 03wobin * r3 Preciousss.lua: slowly tapping away at this function... |
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| 07:12.50 | charon | btw have they even uploaded the Repo code yet? |
| 07:13.13 | nevcairiel | I'll slap ckk about that later today, the current bot is so broken :P |
| 07:15.22 | Repo | [WoW] 10guildcraft: 03OrionShock 06wotlk-branch * r72 / (12 files in 3 directories): alter setup to accomidate change at wowace |
| 07:15.41 | nevcairiel | it works fine for svn and all, but on git it just fails |
| 07:16.08 | nevcairiel | when i pushed 2 tags for BT4 it flooded out |
| 07:16.13 | charon | sounds like a deja vu? |
| 07:16.32 | charon | or actually, déjàréparé |
| 07:17.08 | nevcairiel | is that the word for reading? :P |
| 07:17.44 | Adirelle | it seems some repo are missing |
| 07:17.56 | Adirelle | réparé = fixed |
| 07:22.57 | charon | i actually had to look that up too, even though i "technically" learned french in high school :( |
| 07:22.59 | charon | shame on me |
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| 07:26.49 | charon | the fun part is, the problem will keep getting worse as people make longer histories on their projects ;) |
| 07:29.24 | nevcairiel | at least the packager works fine now |
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| 07:34.43 | Repo | [WoW] 10guildcraft: 03OrionShock 06wotlk-branch * r73 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 07:34.43 | Repo | v3.0.04 beta -- make browser work -- this addon is made with inscription :D |
| 07:34.51 | orionshock | ^^ |
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| 07:59.46 | Repo | [WoW] 10broker_xprate: 03gramg * r20 Core.lua: |
| 07:59.47 | Repo | -- If MAX_LEVEL is not present, check against your expansion and populate it. |
| 07:59.47 | Repo | -- Added in check against MAX_LEVEL, unregisters events, nils out display, and nils out OnUpdate when you've reached it, or log in already at it. |
| 08:10.58 | ReAn | repo is selective in it's displaying of my commits :p |
| 08:11.04 | ReAn | which isn't neccesarily bad |
| 08:11.09 | ReAn | since i commit frequently |
| 08:11.17 | ReAn | but still >_> perhaps it's a bug? |
| 08:22.14 | Aiiane | occasionally in the past few days repo has been lagging out |
| 08:22.26 | Aiiane | so it's still in channel but the bot itself isn't actually doing anything |
| 08:22.34 | Aiiane | that might explain why |
| 08:43.58 | [SW]Dodge | doooh -.- why isnt kolie there if i need him? -.- |
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| 13:17.00 | *** topic/#curseforge is Downtime notice http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/279203.aspx | Welcome to #curseforge! | Please tell us what you think we're doing wrong and/or right at http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/. | WoW Discussion: #WoWUIDev | WAR Discussion: #WARUIDev | Its official: Time to love on Kolie! |
| 13:25.04 | kagaro | so should my public key i have set for curseforge work with the wowace setup? |
| 13:25.13 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:25.22 | kagaro | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 13:25.33 | nevcairiel | which repo? |
| 13:25.35 | kagaro | works fine to update my curseforge project, fails for owace |
| 13:25.59 | kagaro | svn+ssh://svn.wowace.com/wow/kg-panels-config/mainline/trunk |
| 13:26.39 | nevcairiel | You did use "svn" as the username? |
| 13:27.21 | kagaro | like I said nev it works fine for my datatools project |
| 13:27.32 | nevcairiel | well it works for me! |
| 13:27.32 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:27.46 | nevcairiel | do a dns query on your svn.wowace.com |
| 13:27.46 | kagaro | svn+ssh://svn.curseforge.net/wow/data-tools/mainline/trunk |
| 13:27.49 | nevcairiel | and tell me what you get |
| 13:27.54 | kagaro | k, 1 sec |
| 13:28.18 | kagaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.26 | nevcairiel | Hm thats the right ip |
| 13:28.52 | nevcairiel | what client are you using for ssh? |
| 13:29.01 | kagaro | svn cmdline |
| 13:29.06 | kagaro | ohh ssh cmdline |
| 13:29.20 | nevcairiel | try simply ssh'ing to svn.wowace.com |
| 13:29.23 | nevcairiel | and see what happens |
| 13:29.23 | kagaro | OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7l 28 Sep 2006 |
| 13:29.33 | kagaro | denied |
| 13:29.44 | kagaro | public key error |
| 13:30.10 | kagaro | ive doubled checked, my ssh public key listed on wowace matches my ssh setup |
| 13:30.35 | Adirelle | kagaro: using "svn" login ? |
| 13:30.45 | nevcairiel | try svn+ssh://svn.curseforge.net/wow/kg-panels-config/mainline/trunk |
| 13:30.46 | kagaro | checking my key now |
| 13:31.14 | kagaro | yeah that fails for me nev |
| 13:32.12 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 13:32.16 | nevcairiel | both work for me |
| 13:32.20 | kagaro | ok here is the weird part |
| 13:32.31 | kagaro | I just did a ssh svn@svn.wowace.com and it works |
| 13:32.49 | kagaro | but i tried doing the same for svn using --username and it does |
| 13:32.52 | kagaro | err doesnt |
| 13:33.04 | nevcairiel | because its the ssh username, i dunno |
| 13:33.09 | nevcairiel | i always do the svn@ dealy |
| 13:33.11 | Adirelle | does the --username get forward to the ssh command ? |
| 13:33.31 | Adirelle | I do like nev: always use svn@ |
| 13:33.51 | charon | iirc ssh doesn't take gnu style options |
| 13:33.58 | kagaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.15 | charon | try ssh -l svn svn.wowace.com |
| 13:34.18 | charon | as in, dash ell |
| 13:34.34 | nevcairiel | they should really add the svn@ into the developer-url display for repos |
| 13:34.40 | nevcairiel | i mean, its 30s work =P |
| 13:34.41 | Adirelle | the svn+ssh stuff should really be updated in the knownledge base |
| 13:36.05 | charon | oh, apparently i misread, forget me. |
| 13:36.18 | nevcairiel | forgets charon |
| 13:36.26 | charon | the folks over on #git recommend a .ssh/config or whatever it's called |
| 13:36.32 | charon | where you can specify the login username per-host |
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| 13:37.27 | Anadale_ | ping Kaelten |
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| 13:37.53 | Anadale_ | or anyone who can help me with new repositories :) |
| 13:38.29 | Anadale_ | ckknight, are you here? |
| 13:38.30 | nevcairiel | whats up? |
| 13:38.33 | Anadale_ | aha |
| 13:38.42 | Anadale_ | first of all - good job, guys |
| 13:38.45 | Kaelten | we're all here to help :) |
| 13:38.48 | ckknight | yes |
| 13:39.03 | Anadale_ | now the question: I can't find my library in SVN |
| 13:39.09 | Anadale_ | LibDogTag-Items-3.0 |
| 13:39.19 | Anadale_ | It's on the curseforge site, I can see svn url |
| 13:39.31 | nevcairiel | how did it end up on CF o.o |
| 13:39.39 | Anadale_ | but anytime I try to go there with repobrowser I get an error? |
| 13:40.00 | Anadale_ | sorry, wowace |
| 13:40.48 | nevcairiel | Congratulations, you won one of the broken repos! |
| 13:40.52 | *** part/#curseforge kenlyric (n=kenlyric@skenlam.itpo.iu.edu) |
| 13:40.54 | nevcairiel | Its on the list Kaelten has to fix today |
| 13:41.23 | Anadale_ | huray! Will I get a cookie? ;) |
| 13:42.10 | Kaelten | I needs lists of the broken repos |
| 13:42.35 | Anadale_ | how can I report you my url? here or somewhere else? |
| 13:43.07 | Kaelten | http://ace.pastey.net/97023 |
| 13:43.12 | Anadale_ | ok |
| 13:43.15 | Kaelten | lets pass that around and just start adding projects name |
| 13:45.59 | Anadale_ | another question about externals and .pkgmeta. with WAU I had my working copy in AddOns folder with externals set up. Now I'd set up externals in .pkgmeta and want to use curse client. will it behave as WAU (I mean skipping my addon)? Should I keep externals in working copy? |
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| 13:50.03 | Adirelle | Kaelten: i updated ticket 647 to point to your pastey |
| 13:54.06 | Kaelten | Adirelle: thank you |
| 13:54.30 | Kaelten | Anadale_: the curse client will ignore it. |
| 13:55.01 | Anadale_ | ok, thanks |
| 13:55.02 | dafire | i check the externals with my project... and in pkgmeta i set this folder to ignore when packaging and set externals.. so on the generated packages it should have officially externals and in my working copy i have mine |
| 13:56.01 | dafire | if you know what i mean ,9 |
| 13:56.19 | Wikwocket | Anyone know if the "My projects" page removed or relocated? I can't seem to find it... |
| 13:56.38 | Adirelle | Wikwocket: my wowace => projects ? |
| 13:57.01 | Adirelle | I mean did you check the "projects" link of the "my wowace" page ? |
| 13:57.19 | Wikwocket | I was looking for the curse 'My Projects' page, I have a bookmark for http://my.curse.com/account/projects/ |
| 13:58.26 | Adirelle | Wikwocket: either http://www.curseforge.com/home/ or http://www.wowace.com/home/projects/ should work |
| 13:58.30 | Kaelten | Wikwocket: ah yes that page didn't make it into the new curse. I'll be workingo n making the curseforge.com/home section more usable. |
| 13:58.35 | Kaelten | usefull |
| 13:58.48 | Wikwocket | Ah, I see |
| 13:58.56 | dafire | why does cuse say that i am member since 09-17-2008 ? i was longer curse member then ckknight .( |
| 13:59.09 | Wikwocket | I liked the page since it listed my projects but also showed all new comments to my projects |
| 13:59.26 | ckknight | dafire: I don't know |
| 13:59.51 | Kaelten | dafire: curse.com's member since days are all messed up |
| 13:59.57 | Kaelten | its still right in the centeral auth server |
| 14:00.08 | dafire | (: |
| 14:00.17 | Kaelten | central* |
| 14:00.33 | Wikwocket | thanks for the links Kaelten, hopefully a "latest comments" can be added at some point in the future |
| 14:00.43 | Adirelle | waves at Repo. |
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| 14:01.17 | Kaelten | Wikwocket: I'll see what I can do :) |
| 14:01.19 | Kaelten | right now I'm working on finishing things up with wowace |
| 14:01.43 | Wikwocket | Of course, I'm sure there's lots to do |
| 14:03.21 | kagaro | ckknight: you got a minute? |
| 14:03.27 | ckknight | no, I don't |
| 14:04.00 | dafire | ^^ |
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| 14:04.53 | kagaro | anyone then able to tell me, is move-folders executed before externals in the .pkgmeta? |
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| 14:05.34 | ckknight | after |
| 14:06.16 | kagaro | nvm im an idiot |
| 14:09.18 | kagaro | glanced over knowledge base too quickly |
| 14:16.20 | nevcairiel | Someone notify me when we can merge projects again, i have some list in a text file hanging around here already, lol |
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| 14:20.57 | pastamancer | Kaelten: send me a dump and I can split out whatever you need |
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| 14:25.00 | ckknight | nevcairiel: when we do it, I'll want to go through one by one with just you to make sure there are no bugs |
| 14:25.11 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 14:25.13 | nevcairiel | let me know |
| 14:27.44 | AckisWork | good morning |
| 14:30.51 | Zhinjio | Heya Ackis |
| 14:33.09 | Ominous | what is happening re the account name changes? |
| 14:34.57 | AckisWork | allo Zhinjio |
| 14:35.04 | AckisWork | ckknight: are we ok to start merging? |
| 14:35.16 | ckknight | please read up just a _few_ lines |
| 14:35.56 | AckisWork | I don't think I was in the channel when it was said.. |
| 14:36.43 | nevcairiel | Ackis: merging is still disabled, anyway |
| 14:36.47 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 14:37.45 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know if there's a problem with updating pages? I uploaded Questhelper 0.53 a few hours ago and updated the main page, and while Curseforge is updated, curse.com ain't |
| 14:38.45 | Kaelten | ZorbaBeta: It shoould update pretty soon |
| 14:38.50 | Kaelten | how long ago did you update it? |
| 14:39.12 | nevcairiel | I approved it mabye an hour ago |
| 14:39.34 | ZorbaBeta | about three hours ago |
| 14:39.42 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/admin/approval-queue/ |
| 14:39.43 | nevcairiel | oh noes |
| 14:39.45 | ZorbaBeta | the file is approved |
| 14:39.48 | nevcairiel | the UIs are coming |
| 14:39.54 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ? |
| 14:40.02 | ZorbaBeta | (long since, it was approved very quickly since I posted) |
| 14:40.03 | nevcairiel | check the link |
| 14:40.21 | ZorbaBeta | the updates to the page haven't shown up yet, for me at least |
| 14:40.31 | ZorbaBeta | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx - is anyone seeing 0.53, or a comment about 0.53 being released? |
| 14:40.47 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:41.08 | ZorbaBeta | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/quest-helper/ - and yet this lists the new file and the new info page. something's wrong. |
| 14:41.14 | netcurse | Zorba, we are looking at the code |
| 14:41.18 | ZorbaBeta | okie. |
| 14:42.27 | Kaelten | ZorbaBeta: I'm poking the curse.com guy |
| 14:42.29 | Stanzilla | Kody- was the one to blame for design bugs etc? |
| 14:42.35 | Stanzilla | on curse.com that is |
| 14:42.56 | netcurse | nop |
| 14:43.03 | Stanzilla | who is it? :P |
| 14:43.50 | Stanzilla | anyway http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b4890ca5a0ae990751d661a62137f054.png < breadcrumb color is bad :( |
| 14:44.53 | netcurse | what browser |
| 14:45.54 | Stanzilla | opera |
| 14:47.01 | netcurse | ok thank you :) |
| 14:47.07 | netcurse | will have it looked at |
| 14:47.34 | Stanzilla | :) |
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| 14:47.50 | Lothaer | G'Day |
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| 14:54.09 | Lothaer | ~ping |
| 14:54.09 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:54.16 | Lothaer | ~pong |
| 14:54.16 | purl | ~ping |
| 14:55.02 | AckisWork | ~lart Lothaer |
| 14:55.02 | purl | beats Lothaer to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 14:55.11 | AckisWork | haha that's win |
| 14:55.47 | Lothaer | ~diaf +AckisWork |
| 14:55.48 | purl | ACTION covers +AckisWork in gas and drops a match. |
| 14:56.05 | Lothaer | now thats funny |
| 14:56.11 | AckisWork | :P |
| 14:56.32 | Lothaer | what you doin? |
| 14:56.52 | AckisWork | your mom |
| 14:57.22 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:57.25 | Lothaer | nasty |
| 14:57.29 | AckisWork | yes she is |
| 14:58.05 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 14:59.18 | Pneumatus | ~~~~ |
| 14:59.19 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT pneumatus!!! |
| 15:00.19 | Lothaer | ~QQ purl |
| 15:00.20 | purl | CRY MOAR purl |
| 15:00.39 | Lothaer | lol |
| 15:00.46 | Lothaer | !omgwtfbbq |
| 15:00.55 | Lothaer | ~omgwtfbbq |
| 15:00.56 | purl | well, omgwtfbbq is Oh man guys, where's the freakin' barbeque? |
| 15:04.49 | Lothaer | well im gonna go and update some more sets in Set Wrangler i wanna have it ready for 3.0 |
| 15:05.02 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 15:14.56 | p3lim | just wondering, will Curseforge take over wowace completely? |
| 15:15.07 | p3lim | if not, what bits will it replace/take over? |
| 15:16.18 | netcurse | curseforge software has been applied to wowace and tweaked |
| 15:16.25 | netcurse | curseforge is not taking over wowace ;) |
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| 15:17.05 | dafire | wowace is now a curse network site |
| 15:17.43 | p3lim | so it remains the same? |
| 15:18.01 | p3lim | thinking about the SVN, Forums, Fisheye etc |
| 15:18.25 | dafire | every project gets it's own svn |
| 15:18.32 | AckisWork | netcurse: LIES CF is taking over the WORLD AHHHHHHHH |
| 15:18.38 | dafire | forum should stay when its finished |
| 15:19.43 | p3lim | ah ok |
| 15:19.50 | orionshock | wtb admin? my UID on curseforge forums is borked... id is same as irc |
| 15:19.55 | netcurse | :) |
| 15:19.58 | p3lim | As far i got it, CF uses git instead of SVN? |
| 15:20.12 | netcurse | SVN, GIT and HG |
| 15:20.13 | Elkano | it provides both iirc |
| 15:20.21 | dafire | p3lim: you can choose between git, svn or mercurial |
| 15:20.25 | p3lim | whats HG |
| 15:20.39 | dafire | mercurial.. like git but written in python |
| 15:20.50 | p3lim | windows friendly? |
| 15:20.54 | charon | i suppose both camps would flame you for that statement ;) |
| 15:20.56 | Kolie | hg is awsome. |
| 15:20.59 | Kolie | for winodws. and mac. |
| 15:21.09 | nevcairiel | git is more awesome! |
| 15:21.19 | dafire | git works fine with windows, too .) |
| 15:21.19 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: git gets it done! |
| 15:21.50 | nevcairiel | i could finally convert my important projects to git =) |
| 15:23.45 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: write a faq on how to convert a svn repo to a git one? |
| 15:24.39 | dafire | there is one |
| 15:25.20 | dafire | git includes a tool to do that.. but i think its not longer included in git 1.6 for windows |
| 15:25.44 | nevcairiel | cygwin has it |
| 15:25.46 | nevcairiel | msysgit not |
| 15:26.04 | nevcairiel | I did all the converting in cygwin |
| 15:26.36 | dafire | http://github.com/guides/import-from-subversion |
| 15:27.01 | nevcairiel | doesnt github offer a service of their own that makes it easier? |
| 15:27.26 | orionshock | ckknight: u got a min? |
| 15:27.29 | dafire | don't know .9 |
| 15:27.31 | nevcairiel | hm authors mapping, useful :P |
| 15:27.38 | ckknight | state your issue, I'll tell you if I have a minute |
| 15:27.39 | nevcairiel | i filter-branched everything afterwards |
| 15:28.02 | orionshock | ckknight: my uid is borked still, even if i enter the wrong pass word it drops my back to forum index. |
| 15:28.03 | dafire | it's funny.. with git you can submit with other peoples names... it's not checked with the ssh key |
| 15:28.14 | ckknight | ask Kaelten about that one |
| 15:28.19 | orionshock | ... |
| 15:28.28 | orionshock | don't supose he's watching IRC atm? |
| 15:28.39 | nevcairiel | they are both kinda busy =P |
| 15:28.45 | orionshock | indeed |
| 15:29.02 | dafire | so if you have access to a git repo you can commit under other peoples name in that repo |
| 15:29.56 | Kaelten | huh? |
| 15:29.58 | Kaelten | pardon? |
| 15:30.16 | orionshock | hi Kaelten, ck said to talk to you about a broken forum uid |
| 15:30.20 | orionshock | <<-- mine |
| 15:30.22 | netcurse | i can tell you guys, kaelten and ckknight have been working their ass off to make this happen |
| 15:30.25 | netcurse | be patient ;) |
| 15:30.36 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 15:30.39 | orionshock | i can wait, |
| 15:30.54 | orionshock | im in no rush for any of it... |
| 15:31.05 | Elkano | I'm pretty sure they did /cheers |
| 15:31.17 | Kaelten | orionshock: ping me with the value of your bbcncmd cookie? |
| 15:31.25 | AckisWork | you're talking about it in the past tense, they're still working their asses off :D |
| 15:32.13 | Elkano | btw, net, did you get my msn pm yesterday about the page you had linked me? |
| 15:32.22 | netcurse | i don't think so |
| 15:32.52 | orionshock | ... chatzilla |
| 15:33.34 | ckknight | yes, you should all be grateful. I had to leave early on a date last night in order to come back to work |
| 15:33.36 | ckknight | bah. |
| 15:33.37 | ckknight | :-P |
| 15:33.45 | ckknight | it'll all be over soon enough, though |
| 15:33.48 | AckisWork | ckknight: did you score at least? |
| 15:33.52 | Kaelten | ~lart ckknight |
| 15:33.52 | purl | changes ckknight's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 15:33.53 | Kaelten | :P |
| 15:33.58 | AckisWork | haha |
| 15:34.02 | ckknight | AckisWork: no, which is the whole issue |
| 15:34.06 | AckisWork | ~botsnack |
| 15:34.06 | purl | :), AckisWork |
| 15:34.09 | ckknight | oh well, I'll be seeing her tomorrow |
| 15:34.09 | AckisWork | :( |
| 15:39.45 | *** part/#curseforge dafire (n=warlock@212.144.226.139) |
| 15:39.55 | Quaiche | Kaelten: CF rejected a project request, calling it a UI pack |
| 15:40.01 | Quaiche | But it isn't |
| 15:40.02 | Quaiche | :( |
| 15:40.08 | Quaiche | You use a name regex for that?? |
| 15:40.15 | Gnarfoz | what's the name? |
| 15:40.20 | Quaiche | QLayout |
| 15:40.29 | Kaelten | Quaiche: it shouldn't auto reject it |
| 15:40.32 | Quaiche | It did |
| 15:40.33 | ckknight | Quaiche: which project? |
| 15:40.36 | Quaiche | QLayout |
| 15:40.39 | Kaelten | sure it wasn't a moderator being silly? |
| 15:40.43 | ckknight | what was the link to the project? |
| 15:40.56 | Quaiche | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/qlayout/ |
| 15:41.09 | ckknight | it was Ackis. |
| 15:41.14 | ckknight | blame him. |
| 15:41.15 | Quaiche | Thanks Ackis |
| 15:41.23 | Quaiche | Put it back please? |
| 15:41.52 | AckisWork | it looked like a UI based from the description... |
| 15:41.57 | ckknight | k, Quaiche |
| 15:42.03 | Quaiche | "My custom layout of chat and worldframes" |
| 15:42.13 | Quaiche | One lua file and one toc file |
| 15:42.14 | ckknight | it does, a little |
| 15:42.19 | Quaiche | But that's what it is! |
| 15:42.29 | Gnarfoz | hm, my "my curse" pages has links to "http://wowstaging.curse.com/[...]" |
| 15:42.35 | Gnarfoz | which gives me 403 |
| 15:42.36 | ckknight | AckisWork: tip: check the author next time. If they have other projects, you should look closer |
| 15:43.03 | Quaiche | Do I need to recreate? Or can you turn it back on? |
| 15:43.31 | ckknight | already done, Quaiche |
| 15:43.34 | Quaiche | tyvm |
| 15:43.36 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/qlayout/ |
| 15:43.40 | ReAn | so |
| 15:43.43 | ReAn | who broke repo? |
| 15:43.52 | ckknight | I did |
| 15:43.59 | ckknight | I took him down when doing my scripts |
| 15:44.02 | ReAn | you monster! |
| 15:44.03 | ReAn | :D |
| 15:44.05 | ckknight | yea. |
| 15:44.07 | nevcairiel | that wouldve been fun |
| 15:44.45 | Quaiche | How come only three addons show up in my little "Authors" box on project pages? Shouldn't they all show up there? |
| 15:44.59 | Quaiche | Or is that just the ones that have been tagges and packaged to Curse? |
| 15:45.01 | ckknight | it shows a random 3 |
| 15:45.04 | Quaiche | s/tagges/tagged/ |
| 15:45.59 | ReAn | s/D/p |
| 15:46.04 | ReAn | aw |
| 15:46.10 | ReAn | i was trying to be witty |
| 15:46.20 | ReAn | but i failed |
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| 16:38.52 | netcurse | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/MostDownloaded.aspx?SectionID=3816 |
| 16:38.53 | netcurse | crazy |
| 16:38.56 | netcurse | QH :p |
| 16:39.06 | nevcairiel | shows how stupid people are |
| 16:39.11 | nevcairiel | cant quest alone! |
| 16:39.29 | nevcairiel | (personally i found TourGuide to be smoother for questing, too) |
| 16:41.55 | Gnarfoz | <+nevcairiel> shows how stupid people are <-- KLHTM and Cosmos weren't obvious enough before? :> |
| 16:42.12 | Quaiche | So... I finally got around to pulling from my svn repos for my wowace projects and it seems that each one says it doesn't have a repository. :( |
| 16:42.26 | Quaiche | svn co <- fails |
| 16:42.45 | Quaiche | pouts |
| 16:43.55 | ckknight | Quaiche: which projects? |
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| 16:44.23 | Quaiche | So far, every one I've checked. |
| 16:44.28 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags is the first |
| 16:44.59 | Quaiche | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/broker_bags/ |
| 16:45.19 | ckknight | hrm, not showing up in the logs as being messed up... |
| 16:46.01 | ckknight | I'm gonna make a small script to do the whole import process on a single repo |
| 16:46.03 | ckknight | hang on |
| 16:46.46 | Quaiche | svn co gives me: No repository found in 'svn://svn.curseforge.net/wow/broker_bags/mainline/trunk' |
| 16:47.13 | Quaiche | Might it be related to the change we made converting my projects from wowace to cf? |
| 16:48.25 | ckknight | possible |
| 16:48.26 | ckknight | but I dunno |
| 16:53.22 | Quaiche | You might wanna write a script that runs all the wowace projects, checking their svn URLs to ensure that it is live. |
| 16:55.27 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:58.50 | Quaiche | Broker_RaidTargets failed too |
| 17:00.56 | ckknight | hrm, yea, Broker_Bags failed to import properly |
| 17:01.07 | ckknight | svnadmin: File not found: transaction '20-1', path '/tmp/trunk/Broker_Bags' |
| 17:04.01 | Kaelten | pastamancer is going to help us with the various projects left to import |
| 17:04.15 | Kaelten | after he's done all he can we'll switch over to doing head imports without history |
| 17:04.22 | Stanzilla | mmmm pasta :O |
| 17:07.28 | ZorbaTHut | pasta rocks |
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| 17:07.41 | *** mode/#curseforge [+v Dashkal] by ChanServ |
| 17:07.47 | Quaiche | ckknight and Kaelten: Does that mean I just need to wait? Or should I report each one that seems to have failed? |
| 17:08.25 | ckknight | good times |
| 17:08.50 | pastamancer | http://pastey.net/96442 still the current list of problem addons? |
| 17:10.28 | nevcairiel | thats the list of known errors, there are alot that just didnt get any repo build |
| 17:10.30 | nevcairiel | for unknown reasons |
| 17:13.29 | Quaiche | I dont see mine on that list pastamancer |
| 17:14.40 | nevcairiel | you had one of the unknown errors ;) |
| 17:15.31 | pastamancer | get me a list :) |
| 17:15.56 | Kaelten | pastamancer: maybe |
| 17:16.06 | Kaelten | we need to try to checkout everyone and see what errors we get from them |
| 17:16.36 | pastamancer | for what it's worth, here's the shell script I'm using to batch-generate the dumps http://pastey.net/97034 |
| 17:16.54 | Kaelten | pastamancer: we're going to get you a list real quick. |
| 17:17.00 | pastamancer | cool |
| 17:18.26 | pastamancer | about halfway there with building the graph |
| 17:18.46 | Quaiche | Sounds like I need to be patient. Not a problem. |
| 17:19.15 | pastamancer | yeah, it'll take a few hours |
| 17:19.21 | Quaiche | I created a svn project on my private SVN that has externals to all my CF projects so I can pull all of them at once for batch fixes (e.g. .pkgmeta upates). |
| 17:19.26 | Quaiche | That's how I found it |
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| 17:32.56 | nevcairiel | Ominous do you want your merged projects on wowace or CF? |
| 17:34.03 | ckknight | btw: nobody merge your projects yet. I'm working with nevcairiel to test it all properly |
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| 17:42.01 | Ominous | nevcairiel: wowace please |
| 17:42.14 | nevcairiel | ok |
| 17:44.59 | pastamancer | almost done with the graph |
| 17:45.59 | Ominous | nevcairiel: thanks |
| 17:50.51 | Ominous | nice work on wowace/cf guys :) |
| 17:50.59 | Ominous | must have been a busy few weeks |
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| 17:58.12 | [SW]Dodge | damn, Kolie just dc'ed :( |
| 17:59.03 | netcurse | He'll beback |
| 18:01.00 | [SW]Dodge | i hope ^^ |
| 18:01.53 | ckknight | Ominous: months |
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| 18:03.20 | nevcairiel | Whats that unix tool that can sort text line-by-line? |
| 18:03.25 | charon | sort? |
| 18:03.37 | charon | or was that too obvious |
| 18:03.48 | pastamancer | haha |
| 18:03.52 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 18:03.58 | pastamancer | it is sort |
| 18:04.01 | nevcairiel | i was typing while i was searching for my cygwin shortcut |
| 18:08.54 | netcurse | ayokomo says: |
| 18:08.54 | netcurse | we have 300k active monthly users and they all like the software very much... and many authors too. i don't know why some authors would not like it, other than the misconceptions about outdated hosting and gold ads. |
| 18:08.59 | netcurse | wowmatrix owners.. |
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| 18:11.14 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kolie] by ChanServ |
| 18:11.18 | Kaelten | uh... outdates hosting and gold ads? |
| 18:11.20 | Kaelten | yes they run them, and no they don't host the addons |
| 18:11.22 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 18:11.46 | nevcairiel | Kaelten page is crawling =( |
| 18:12.05 | Kaelten | checking |
| 18:12.42 | nevcairiel | also, i need an user-option for mods "Hide deleted projects/files" .. or i'm going insane :) |
| 18:12.56 | AckisWork | you're alread y insane |
| 18:13.01 | nevcairiel | shush! |
| 18:13.14 | Adirelle | ckknight: I can browse this but not check it out : svn+ssh://svn@svn.wowace.com/wow/simple-self-rebuff/mainline/trunk |
| 18:14.28 | Quaiche|work | "The server at wow.curseforge.com is taking too long to respond." |
| 18:14.48 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 18:15.56 | Kaelten | what the hell |
| 18:17.18 | Quaiche|work | netcurse: Got a link for that quote from ayokomo? |
| 18:19.12 | Ominous | err i cant load wowace or cf anymore |
| 18:19.20 | Kaelten | I know neither can i... |
| 18:21.55 | Kaelten | this is really weird |
| 18:21.59 | Kaelten | there is no db load at all |
| 18:22.11 | nevcairiel | maybe the webserver going nuts |
| 18:22.18 | nevcairiel | or someone ddosing you |
| 18:22.25 | Kaelten | possible.... |
| 18:22.35 | Kaelten | I haven't had time to set up the backdoor yet |
| 18:22.42 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 18:25.36 | netcurse | Quaiche, i'm talking to him on IM |
| 18:27.06 | Quaiche|work | Ah cool |
| 18:27.13 | Quaiche|work | He wants his free hosting back eh? |
| 18:27.54 | netcurse | well they actually are running 100% from our banwitdh |
| 18:28.01 | Quaiche|work | His point, though, that by downloading from the original source, he preserves the integrity of the addon, is not unreasonable. |
| 18:28.19 | Quaiche|work | If he mirrored, might he be in another position that feels offensive? |
| 18:28.23 | Quaiche|work | I dunno |
| 18:28.26 | pastamancer | of course |
| 18:28.28 | pastamancer | he can't win |
| 18:28.32 | Quaiche|work | LOL |
| 18:28.47 | pastamancer | either he's stealing bandwidth or he's stealing addons |
| 18:28.48 | netcurse | he runs his gold ads on our bandwitdh and on your guys work... |
| 18:29.01 | Quaiche|work | Yep |
| 18:29.20 | pastamancer | there's no such thing as a free lunch |
| 18:29.25 | Quaiche|work | How about if someone else published on that mirrored, but didn't show ads? (hypothetically) |
| 18:29.32 | Quaiche|work | s/on/one/ |
| 18:29.46 | Quaiche|work | s/ on / one / |
| 18:29.51 | nevcairiel | Quaiche|work: he still has free hosting, i wiresharked it just last week, they scrap the curse.com pages for links |
| 18:30.03 | Quaiche|work | I know they do. |
| 18:30.35 | Quaiche|work | I'm asking hypothetically... is the suggestion that third party downloaders, if they use their own storage and bandwidth, and don't host ads... are they inherently wrong? |
| 18:31.09 | Nechckn | not if the addons are posted with a license allowing them to do so, not "technically" |
| 18:31.20 | nevcairiel | Still no curse ads to support us :P |
| 18:31.21 | Quaiche|work | Fair enough |
| 18:31.35 | Quaiche|work | Assume it stays within the license for the author's benefit |
| 18:31.46 | nevcairiel | I would rather see a public API to download addons for 3rd party updaters (only available for premium members, or so) |
| 18:31.50 | Quaiche|work | Yes nevcairiel, but if I use an OSS license, he's fine from my perspective |
| 18:31.55 | Dashkal | If the addon is written with a license that allows redistribution (basically any actual open source licence) anybody is free to rehost it themselves. Legally, anyway. |
| 18:31.55 | Quaiche|work | (as an author) |
| 18:32.10 | nevcairiel | Quaiche|work: the problem is, they dont filter by license, they just grab eversything |
| 18:32.11 | Quaiche|work | Exactly Dashkal |
| 18:32.22 | Quaiche|work | I'm not talking about WowMatrix anymore. |
| 18:32.25 | Quaiche|work | I know the issues there. |
| 18:32.31 | Dashkal | There are definitely mods that you cannot do that for. (Ace3 isn't open source) |
| 18:32.41 | nevcairiel | who could really be arsed to mirror addons and checking their license first |
| 18:33.00 | nevcairiel | for 1000+ addons |
| 18:33.06 | Dashkal | If they're scraping curse the damn thing is right there on the page along with the rest... |
| 18:34.05 | Quaiche|work | lol |
| 18:34.41 | nevcairiel | well the thing is, its not even their server that does a daily scrapping or so |
| 18:34.45 | nevcairiel | the client itself does it |
| 18:34.58 | nevcairiel | the server stores the project-links to curse.com |
| 18:35.14 | Nechckn | Where you run into issues is when you start thinking about some place to host/do work on addons, like the SVN/GITs at CF and elsewhere. Without any ad revenue, such things become outrageously expensive- ask any of the Ace folks here. =) |
| 18:35.15 | AckisWork | so everyone running the client uses Curses bandwidth to get the files? |
| 18:35.23 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: ya |
| 18:35.28 | Dashkal | Bandwidth stealing is an entirely different issue. Nothing to do with licences there. |
| 18:35.31 | Quaiche|work | Yes Nechckn. I know. |
| 18:35.34 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: that's a sweet business model |
| 18:35.43 | netcurse | basically they have 300k users right now scrapping curse and files.wowace.com |
| 18:35.59 | netcurse | that's why wowmatrix is slow |
| 18:36.04 | ckknight | scraping, not scrapping |
| 18:36.11 | Quaiche|work | From a business perspective, I understand why that is offensive to you netcurse |
| 18:36.12 | nevcairiel | we should replace soem popular mods with some fun message-output ingame on the files page |
| 18:36.14 | netcurse | is excused being french |
| 18:36.35 | netcurse | Quaiche, i would not be offended if they were paying their own bills |
| 18:36.46 | netcurse | because then they would realized this model just is not working. |
| 18:36.55 | Nechckn | Quaiche|work where it becomes an even bigger issue is that they do that to those who choose to self-host for one reason or another, too. |
| 18:37.05 | nevcairiel | The wowmatrix client even sends a firefox 3 user agent |
| 18:37.13 | nevcairiel | that alone shows how "dark" their client is ;) |
| 18:37.15 | netcurse | except when you are google and make billions of dollars on search ads, and you can create lots of side things without expecting any revennues |
| 18:37.15 | Quaiche|work | Of course it does nevcairiel |
| 18:37.36 | Quaiche|work | They may even be based on the FF code |
| 18:37.39 | Dashkal | netcurse, Kaelten, ckknight: Add some code to the pages that makes it impossible to get the actual download link without a cookie. How you give out said cookie is another question (could require a once-per-session captcha, for example) |
| 18:37.44 | Quaiche|work | I asked this once before... |
| 18:38.09 | Quaiche|work | If I were to write a Firefox extension that updated my addons by hitting the curse site and "clicking the links" would that be a problem? |
| 18:38.12 | netcurse | kaelten and ckknight are busy getting the servers back up btw :p |
| 18:38.15 | Quaiche|work | Real firefox |
| 18:38.20 | Quaiche|work | Real web browser |
| 18:38.24 | Quaiche|work | Someone clicking for me |
| 18:38.26 | Quaiche|work | :) |
| 18:38.36 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: captchas destroy user-experience :( I would be annoyed if i want to download _one_ mod and have to type in a captcha |
| 18:38.43 | netcurse | the problem really is massive usage |
| 18:38.43 | Quaiche|work | I know... just having fun waiting for my next meeting |
| 18:38.56 | Quaiche|work | captchas suck |
| 18:39.08 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: annoying as they are, they're a fact of web life exactly because of lowlifes like the makers of wowmatrix |
| 18:39.19 | Nechckn | But, the reason they suck is because of the exact scenario that is happening =) |
| 18:39.27 | nevcairiel | I know =( |
| 18:39.37 | nevcairiel | Cant you send some lawyers their way? |
| 18:39.44 | nevcairiel | bandwidth theft is a crime |
| 18:39.47 | Kaelten | well I has some ideas for them, but we'll see what ends up happening. |
| 18:39.48 | Nechckn | pokes Dashkal |
| 18:39.49 | Quaiche|work | The whole point of HTTP is to allow multiple clients to access content files |
| 18:39.52 | Quaiche|work | These are content files |
| 18:40.02 | Dashkal | rubs his tummy and says HmmHmm! |
| 18:40.04 | Quaiche|work | This argument is essentially, "These clients are good, thee aren;t" |
| 18:40.12 | Quaiche|work | s/thee/these/ |
| 18:40.28 | Nechckn | exactly- and you know the reasons why, already. |
| 18:41.09 | netcurse | Nechckn, is wowmatrix still craping the auctioneer download page |
| 18:41.16 | Dashkal | Quaiche|work: of course some are good, some bad. The simplified version is "The ones that show curse ads are good" |
| 18:41.33 | Dashkal | Mind you that neatly disqualifies my Firefox... |
| 18:41.53 | Nechckn | netcurse yeah, it still goes into it, but we modified it a bit- no more direct URL downloads |
| 18:42.06 | netcurse | ok |
| 18:42.13 | netcurse | so i guess they crap us now ? :P |
| 18:42.32 | Nechckn | oh no- they still come to us, just through our "cheaper" host |
| 18:42.54 | netcurse | ok |
| 18:43.27 | Nechckn | err... it could well have been changed to hit up either you all or WoWi. But our usage is about the same, just not as $$. |
| 18:43.59 | Nechckn | s/not as $$/not as much $$/ |
| 18:44.43 | Nechckn | netcurse Should you cats ever decide to go ahead with anything, let us know. ;-) |
| 18:45.10 | netcurse | sure we will |
| 18:45.55 | netcurse | accepted your project Quaiche btw |
| 18:47.26 | Quaiche|work | Dashkal: So FF with Adblocker is bad? |
| 18:47.55 | Quaiche|work | Thanks netcurse |
| 18:48.22 | Dashkal | Quaiche|work: (speaking for myself here) well, I'm not helping curse through ad revenue... Mind you I try to make myself worth the bandwidth bill in other ways |
| 18:49.15 | Quaiche|work | I guess my point is that from a business/revenue standpoint, I totally understand the issues. But it is complicated by the way the web works. |
| 18:49.35 | Dashkal | Certainly. The web wasn't designed with business interests in mind (so happy about that...) |
| 18:49.44 | Kaelten | we're back up, but I really really want to find out what killed the box |
| 18:49.49 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: so your only a moderator that you can use adblock and keep a clean conscience? ;) |
| 18:50.01 | Dashkal | And ultimately it's impossible, and _should_ be impossible to tell if the client ultimately made the user see the add |
| 18:50.17 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: that's part of it, yes. Also I did a lot of testing of curseforge back in its beta |
| 18:51.41 | Dashkal | I'm gonna adblock one way or another :p I'd just like to not mooch give the chance. |
| 18:53.28 | pastamancer | use javascript on the project page to load another page whose sole purpose is to flag the users session as being able to download |
| 18:53.49 | pastamancer | but don't be obvious about it |
| 18:53.57 | Dashkal | pastamancer: so wowmatrix adds a javascript engine and runs it? |
| 18:54.02 | pastamancer | make it look like an ad include |
| 18:54.11 | pastamancer | Dashkal: it's always going to be a game of cat and mouse |
| 18:54.26 | Dashkal | pastamancer: And the fallout is those who run without javascript for security reasons |
| 18:54.43 | pastamancer | if you implement captchas, they'll either pass the captcha on to the user or work on breaking it |
| 18:54.52 | ckknight | I believe we don't really care about those people on curse.com, Dashkal |
| 18:54.55 | pastamancer | Dashkal: yup, that's a small price to pay |
| 18:54.57 | ckknight | since they wouldn't see ads anyway |
| 18:55.19 | Hjalte | Hmm, QuestHelper had 65k downloads today from Curse? Wow... |
| 18:55.26 | Dashkal | no futher comment then. good luck with that |
| 18:55.30 | ckknight | link? |
| 18:55.48 | ckknight | Hjalte: it's quite possible. Curse Client downloads finally up the score compared to before |
| 18:55.51 | ckknight | (unless I'm wrong about that) |
| 18:56.29 | Hjalte | Can I use the Curse Client with wowace addons now? |
| 18:56.35 | Adirelle | who's working on the broken repos ? ckknight, pastamancer ? |
| 18:56.59 | ckknight | pastamancer's running his script currently |
| 18:57.03 | Quaiche|work | Hjalte: Wednesday I think |
| 18:57.19 | Adirelle | there is a list of concerned repos ? |
| 18:57.22 | pastamancer | hrm, most of the ones on my list are working |
| 18:57.30 | dafire | let me get premium and give me an api to download my favorites by script and i'm fine .9 |
| 18:57.57 | Adirelle | pastamancer: have you checked those posted in reply to http://ace.pastey.net/97023 ? |
| 18:58.33 | pastamancer | nope |
| 18:58.58 | ckknight | lemme get a full list |
| 18:59.12 | Adirelle | ckknight: I've still have some weird error : http://ace.pastey.net/97042 (same with svn+ssh) |
| 18:59.31 | Adirelle | browsing seems to work though |
| 18:59.39 | ckknight | hrm, that is odd |
| 18:59.54 | pastamancer | ACP, DogTags, and PeriodicTable didn't load after my split, still going through the rest |
| 19:02.23 | Shefki | Something up with curse.com? |
| 19:03.05 | netcurse | what's the problem |
| 19:03.11 | Shefki | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8064/ |
| 19:03.27 | netcurse | what is wrong with it :) |
| 19:03.44 | Shefki | Well I like the new colors. |
| 19:03.57 | Shefki | But I was hoping to see the info. |
| 19:03.58 | netcurse | the blue? |
| 19:04.04 | Shefki | lol yeah. |
| 19:04.17 | netcurse | the description doesn't show? |
| 19:04.21 | netcurse | what's your browser |
| 19:04.34 | Shefki | Umm that's giving me a 404. |
| 19:04.39 | netcurse | hhh |
| 19:04.43 | netcurse | it s loading for me |
| 19:04.59 | Shefki | HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found |
| 19:05.00 | Shefki | The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. |
| 19:05.51 | Shefki | Using the new URLs works fine. |
| 19:06.16 | *** join/#curseforge Kolie2 (n=kraft@adsl-070-154-141-174.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:06.17 | Shefki | And I'm using FF 3.0.3 if it matters. |
| 19:06.53 | *** join/#curseforge netcursed (n=hthieblo@adsl-070-154-141-184.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:07.08 | netcursed | oups |
| 19:07.20 | netcursed | got dc |
| 19:07.26 | netcursed | last msg i saw was <@netcurse> all the pages are giving you a 404? |
| 19:07.47 | Shefki | Never got that. |
| 19:07.57 | Quaiche|work | On Shefki's link, I see 404 too |
| 19:08.03 | Shefki | But yeah any old URL yes. |
| 19:08.04 | Adirelle | same here |
| 19:08.08 | Shefki | New ones work fine. |
| 19:08.39 | Shefki | old meaning the format that was in place from the old site using ids for stuff and not the short name .aspx |
| 19:08.49 | *** join/#curseforge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 19:08.49 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 19:08.58 | netcursed | oh |
| 19:09.03 | netcursed | so you don't get redirected.. |
| 19:09.05 | netcursed | i do |
| 19:09.11 | Shefki | Nope. |
| 19:09.17 | netcursed | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8064/ anyone else not getting redirected to the new urls? |
| 19:09.18 | Shefki | It was working. |
| 19:09.40 | Shefki | Quaiche|work and Adirelle just said they weren't. |
| 19:09.46 | netcursed | ok |
| 19:09.54 | Shefki | (it was meaning the last few days after you launched) |
| 19:10.12 | netcursed | any old urls are not working? |
| 19:10.16 | Quaiche|work | You want a SS netcursed? |
| 19:10.21 | netcursed | sure |
| 19:10.38 | pastamancer | ah, crap... found a case I wasn't accounting for in the filtering... now how to fix it |
| 19:11.12 | Nechckn | I should not ahve complained that Curse' comments lost the "reply" button - now the "delete" is gone too! |
| 19:11.18 | netcursed | is this working wow.curse.com/downloads/addons/ ? |
| 19:11.34 | cladhaire | no |
| 19:11.37 | ckknight_ | pastamancer: http://pastey.net/97046 |
| 19:11.42 | cladhaire | same error |
| 19:11.49 | cladhaire | screenshot being uploaded now. |
| 19:12.05 | Quaiche|work | bah |
| 19:12.08 | Quaiche|work | beat me to it |
| 19:12.10 | Quaiche|work | :) |
| 19:12.12 | *** join/#curseforge charon (n=thomas@unaffiliated/charon) |
| 19:12.13 | netcursed | thanks Clad :P |
| 19:12.17 | pastamancer | ckknight_: any chance I can get that as the names under trunk in the oldsvn? |
| 19:12.21 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/df08af5fdcaddf6c5396f377a628c848.png |
| 19:12.24 | cladhaire | netcursed: ^^ |
| 19:12.29 | ckknight_ | pastamancer: hrm... |
| 19:12.30 | ckknight_ | fucking |
| 19:12.31 | ckknight_ | a |
| 19:12.34 | nevcairiel | ckknight_: clear the packager lock file =P |
| 19:12.40 | ckknight | nevcairiel: you do it |
| 19:12.47 | netcursed | what about now |
| 19:12.49 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 19:12.50 | netcursed | is this working wow.curse.com/downloads/addons/ ? |
| 19:12.51 | nevcairiel | the button changed |
| 19:12.57 | nevcairiel | i'm blind |
| 19:12.57 | nevcairiel | nvm |
| 19:13.01 | cladhaire | netcursed: yes no |
| 19:13.03 | cladhaire | err |
| 19:13.04 | cladhaire | yes now |
| 19:13.06 | netcursed | ok |
| 19:13.06 | netcursed | thanks |
| 19:13.08 | cladhaire | damn that would haev been confusing :P |
| 19:13.11 | cladhaire | ooh |
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| 19:13.11 | *** mode/#curseforge [+v AckisWork] by ChanServ |
| 19:13.12 | netcursed | one web server was fucked up :) |
| 19:13.15 | cladhaire | and its a Kronenburg 1664 ad |
| 19:13.18 | cladhaire | good taste |
| 19:13.29 | Shefki | Working noww. |
| 19:13.36 | netcursed | sorry |
| 19:13.38 | dafire | args... windows .. iis .. why ß |
| 19:14.06 | netcursed | Quaiche help us there |
| 19:14.09 | netcursed | =P |
| 19:14.24 | Shefki | Next question... |
| 19:14.35 | Shefki | Comments are missing under my addon from the curse site. |
| 19:14.59 | netcursed | you mean a page to see all your comments |
| 19:15.08 | netcursed | or actual comments that vanished |
| 19:15.15 | Shefki | Actual comments that vanished. |
| 19:15.24 | Shefki | Particularly replies. |
| 19:15.30 | Nechckn | netcursed all of the replies to any comment went away |
| 19:15.42 | netcursed | .. |
| 19:15.46 | Nechckn | the ability to reply has also gone away |
| 19:15.52 | Shefki | Yup |
| 19:16.09 | netcursed | well i'll be honnest the reply feature was forgotten, now the comments should be here |
| 19:16.17 | netcursed | i ll talk to the devs |
| 19:16.59 | Shefki | netcursed: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tbag-shefki.aspx |
| 19:17.10 | Nechckn | well, it will be nice if it's added in, we get quite a few comments, so the threading makes it much easier to find a reply, etc... |
| 19:17.14 | sag_ich_nicht | QUICK |
| 19:17.16 | Shefki | Like the 4th comment down there's someone saying they can't see the addon when they hit their binding to show it. |
| 19:17.27 | Shefki | And I replied telling them to try /tinv resetpos |
| 19:17.33 | netcursed | ok |
| 19:17.37 | Shefki | And they replied saying it worked and that's gone too. |
| 19:17.55 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10535469189&sid=2000 someone ask in this thread for there to be an option to disable the error BUZZ that you get when you press a button before it's ready(NOT the error speech) |
| 19:18.21 | netcursed | ok so i got the confirmation that the comments were imported but they are not displayed yet |
| 19:18.24 | netcursed | working on it |
| 19:18.28 | Quaiche|work | @ticket CurseForge.com 646 |
| 19:18.39 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 646 |
| 19:18.54 | Quaiche|work | ty Dashkal |
| 19:18.57 | Dashkal | hmm, repo is gone |
| 19:19.05 | nevcairiel | repo is currently at the bar |
| 19:19.08 | Shefki | Okay next one... I did a tag last night of a beta, it still hasn't shown on curse. |
| 19:19.10 | Quaiche|work | ckknight took it down earlier. wasn't sure if it was back up |
| 19:19.20 | Shefki | Any particular reason? I thought betas were supposed to syndicate. |
| 19:19.38 | netcursed | this is a bug right now Shefki, we are working on it as i speak |
| 19:19.50 | netcursed | we have some syndication issues |
| 19:19.55 | *** join/#curseforge Repo (n=supybot@69.57.184.216) |
| 19:19.58 | netcursed | questhelper broke our syndication |
| 19:19.59 | Shefki | And last but not least. Download counts didn't seem to come across from the old curse to the new curse. |
| 19:20.13 | netcursed | th actual projects download counts should be fine |
| 19:20.16 | Dashkal | @ping |
| 19:20.17 | Repo | pong |
| 19:20.19 | netcursed | but the per file download count |
| 19:20.26 | netcursed | didn't get imported |
| 19:20.34 | Quaiche|work | @ticket curseforge 646 |
| 19:20.35 | Repo | Quaiche|work: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/646-home-project-list-enhancements/. 646 - Home Project List Enhancements. Reported by: Quaiche. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 17 hours ago. Component: Projects. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 19:20.43 | Shefki | Yeah the project count is there. I mean the per file. |
| 19:20.57 | netcursed | i'm sorry for all these issues, really we had to rush the end because of 3.0, the old code would never been able to take that traffic so we would be down for like 1 week |
| 19:21.08 | netcursed | we are working on fixing things now and optimizing the code |
| 19:21.24 | Shefki | I'm not upset, just trying to point stuff out that I've noticed. |
| 19:21.43 | netcursed | Thank you for your understanding :) |
| 19:22.01 | Shefki | One request, move the Localized: [flag icons] out from under the More Information. |
| 19:22.14 | netcursed | good news is now we have accurate download counts ;P |
| 19:22.39 | Shefki | It doesn't take up much space and is relevent to a lot of people. |
| 19:22.47 | netcursed | i agree |
| 19:24.14 | Quaiche|work | pasta et al - any ETA on the missing svn repos from the wowace import? Just checking. |
| 19:24.46 | Shefki | Ohh one more thing. How do I go about merging duplicate projects? |
| 19:24.54 | sag_ich_nicht | SOMEONE POST IN THAT THREAD NOW |
| 19:25.02 | sag_ich_nicht | or i'll troll you all all day long for today |
| 19:25.04 | sag_ich_nicht | and tomorrow |
| 19:25.06 | sag_ich_nicht | and the rest of the week |
| 19:25.13 | Dashkal | This is different from normal how? |
| 19:25.25 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm too lazy to troll you atm |
| 19:27.23 | pastamancer | now that *is* different |
| 19:27.46 | pastamancer | oh hm |
| 19:27.55 | pastamancer | I think I might have found a bug in svnadmin load |
| 19:31.15 | Repo | [WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03motd2k * r48 core.lua: Removed libslash dependancy |
| 19:31.16 | Repo | [WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03motd2k * r48 core.lua: Removed libslash dependancy |
| 19:31.25 | nevcairiel | double reporting! |
| 19:31.53 | Dashkal | notes the irony in that project being the one to spam... |
| 19:31.55 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 19:32.15 | nevcairiel | heh Dashkal |
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| 19:49.44 | Quaiche|work | pastamancer: I ran my own little svn checker script and the only two of mine that don't have repos are Broker_Bags and Broker_Raid-Targets |
| 19:53.45 | netcursed | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx |
| 19:53.54 | netcursed | you guys see 0.52 or 0.53 |
| 19:54.07 | netcursed | we are tracking the caching problems :p |
| 19:54.23 | Repo | [WAR] 10adjustthetip: 03DarthVon * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): Initial Commit |
| 19:54.24 | Repo | [WAR] 10adjustthetip: 03DarthVon * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): Initial Commit |
| 19:54.36 | Hjalte | netcursed: 0.52 |
| 19:54.51 | netcursed | o |
| 20:01.24 | Quaiche|work | 0.52 |
| 20:04.32 | netcursed | and http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx?microsoftrocks |
| 20:14.37 | Quaiche|work | 0.53 on that one |
| 20:14.49 | Quaiche|work | Still having caching issues? |
| 20:17.53 | netcursed | not sure but you can t test anymore now |
| 20:17.54 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268981&sid=1&pageNo=5#86 I am now scared of all blues. Forever. |
| 20:18.00 | *** join/#curseforge Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 20:18.00 | *** mode/#curseforge [+v Dashkal] by ChanServ |
| 20:18.08 | netcursed | dashkal |
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| 20:18.19 | netcursed | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx do you see 0.52 or 0.53 ? |
| 20:18.21 | Dashkal | ok, the building didn't burn down |
| 20:18.51 | Dashkal | 0.53 |
| 20:18.53 | netcursed | ok |
| 20:18.53 | netcursed | thx |
| 20:18.58 | ryse | hi ^^ |
| 20:19.37 | netcursed | hello Ryse |
| 20:21.12 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o netcurse] by ChanServ |
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| 20:29.07 | pastamancer | splitting ckk's list now |
| 20:38.14 | pastamancer | hooray for make... running 8 splits at once |
| 20:39.11 | pastamancer | now to go figure out what svnadmin load is doing wrong |
| 20:43.07 | nevcairiel | Kaelten ckknight something isnt working right with the "Open" repository flag (and my super user rights on the repos, for the same matter), i couldnt commit a .pkgmeta fix to one repo until i added myself as author, not sure if for all, the repo i've been trying is wow/lib-lord-farlander-2-0/mainline |
| 20:43.37 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: hrm |
| 20:43.41 | Kaelten | ckknight: any idea? |
| 20:43.50 | ckknight | lemme try |
| 20:45.32 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:45.36 | ckknight | same issue, time to dig. |
| 20:48.14 | nevcairiel | also, the packager really shouldnt .zip the files if a external couldnt be found |
| 20:49.46 | ckknight | true |
| 20:50.50 | Stanzilla | email notification if zipping process failed? |
| 20:51.17 | ckknight | nevcairiel: try svn+ssh://svn@svn.wowace.com/wow/lib-lord-farlander-2-0/mainline/trunk |
| 20:51.23 | ckknight | file tickets! |
| 20:51.29 | ckknight | and I want to open source the packager soon |
| 20:51.37 | ckknight | so then you can learn python and hack it in, Stanzilla |
| 20:51.56 | Stanzilla | I have to go! cu! :P |
| 20:51.58 | sb | Kaelten: wowace sync still scheduled for wednesday? :) |
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| 20:53.14 | Kaelten | ask nevcairiel he's been handling a lot of the project cleanup |
| 20:53.16 | Kaelten | :) |
| 20:54.10 | sb | pah, nevcairiel cant even remove that "this page is considered to be a final draft" message :) |
| 20:54.20 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:54.23 | Kaelten | ya I need to kill that |
| 20:54.31 | nevcairiel | ckknight: still "Access Denied" |
| 20:55.15 | ckknight | woo |
| 20:55.17 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/lib-lord-farlander-2-0/repositories/mainline/ now shows users |
| 20:55.28 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 20:55.34 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:55.38 | Kaelten | did it not before? |
| 20:55.46 | nevcairiel | you sure that nevcairiel@svn for non-ssh is correct? =P |
| 20:55.49 | ckknight | no, Kaelten, not svn |
| 20:55.53 | ckknight | yes, nevcairiel |
| 20:56.07 | nevcairiel | I never thought it would eat the name there too |
| 20:56.09 | Kaelten | oh is that what you meant? |
| 20:56.30 | ckknight | Kaelten: it didn't show in the development urls |
| 20:58.10 | ckknight | nevcairiel: for svn co svn+ssh://svn@svn.wowace.com/wow/lib-lord-farlander-2-0/mainline/trunk, what does it exactly say? |
| 20:58.17 | nevcairiel | co works |
| 20:58.19 | nevcairiel | ci not |
| 20:59.25 | ckknight | okay, gimme what you're trying to check in and I'll try |
| 20:59.45 | nevcairiel | i removed the newline in embeds.xml |
| 21:00.09 | nevcairiel | Sending embeds.xml |
| 21:00.09 | nevcairiel | Transmitting file data .svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 21:00.09 | nevcairiel | svn: Access denied |
| 21:00.19 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:00.47 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 21:00.48 | ckknight | worked for me |
| 21:00.52 | ckknight | weirdness |
| 21:03.17 | pastamancer | still chugging along |
| 21:03.23 | sb | nevcairiel: sync tomorrow? :P |
| 21:03.30 | ckknight | sync for what? |
| 21:03.30 | *** join/#curseforge Dashkal_ (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 21:03.30 | *** mode/#curseforge [+v Dashkal_] by ChanServ |
| 21:03.38 | sb | wowace <> curse client |
| 21:03.43 | nevcairiel | he wants syndication going |
| 21:03.49 | sb | Kaelten told me to ask nevcairiel :) |
| 21:04.03 | nevcairiel | we'll have to see i guess, all those dupes will cause some issues |
| 21:04.11 | Kaelten | ya we need to eliminate the dups |
| 21:04.12 | nevcairiel | i'll check all the popular addons tomorrow morning |
| 21:04.15 | Kaelten | dupes * |
| 21:04.20 | sb | ah ok |
| 21:04.41 | nevcairiel | i doubt i'll ever manage to get all .. but shrug |
| 21:04.51 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I'll help you after I get home tonight. |
| 21:05.14 | nevcairiel | you could SQL me a list of all projects starting with wowace- |
| 21:05.19 | nevcairiel | (can you use SQL as a verb?) |
| 21:05.26 | Kaelten | this time you managed it pretty well |
| 21:05.31 | Kaelten | give me a second and I'll pull it |
| 21:06.11 | ckknight | nevcairiel: do a search for wowace- |
| 21:06.23 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/?search=wowace- |
| 21:07.01 | nevcairiel | hm ok |
| 21:07.05 | nevcairiel | something to start working with |
| 21:07.33 | Adirelle | pastamancer: still on the broken repos ? (just to know) |
| 21:07.48 | nevcairiel | ya he is |
| 21:07.59 | nevcairiel | mangling such a big dump takes a while :/ |
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| 21:08.53 | pastamancer | yeah, I'm running 8 splits at ince since I have an 8-core box here but it's still not fast |
| 21:09.07 | pastamancer | so far prat is the only one that's failed, but I think that's a svnadmin load bug |
| 21:09.10 | nevcairiel | is it really cpu bound? |
| 21:09.21 | nevcairiel | i wouldve imagined it eats more IO |
| 21:09.35 | pastamancer | yeah, it's raid 10 with 4 disks |
| 21:09.47 | nevcairiel | ah ok |
| 21:09.55 | Kaelten | heh |
| 21:10.00 | Kaelten | pastamancer: you got all the nice toys :( |
| 21:10.06 | pastamancer | although with 8 running at once, there's occasionally some io contention |
| 21:10.21 | pastamancer | it's one of our internal webservers at work |
| 21:10.36 | pastamancer | I also use it for splitting our own subversion repositories |
| 21:10.56 | pastamancer | os is on a separate mirror |
| 21:11.18 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 21:11.20 | Kaelten | nice |
| 21:12.18 | Kaelten | guy I know in SF got a 24 drive raid6 do push some serious IO numbers |
| 21:12.28 | pastamancer | we bought it recently, but I have to spec for what our needs will be 3-4 years down the road, so I get to go for a little overkill |
| 21:12.53 | Kaelten | nice |
| 21:13.45 | pastamancer | looks like its nearing the end of the list |
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| 21:19.14 | Aii | Kaelten: look at this and tell me what is very odd/wrong about it :P http://svn.wowace.com/war/cleanunitframes/mainline |
| 21:19.36 | Aii | (I know /why/ it is, it just struck me as funny.) |
| 21:19.38 | nevcairiel | its on the svn domain |
| 21:19.50 | Kaelten | lol |
| 21:19.52 | Aii | more specifically, it's on the svn.wowace domain |
| 21:21.23 | Stanzilla | how are the forums coming along? :) |
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| 21:26.59 | pastamancer | ckknight: got a bunch of dumps for you |
| 21:28.00 | pastamancer | Quaiche|work: what were those addons again? |
| 21:28.19 | Quaiche|work | Broker_Bags and Broker_Raid-Targets |
| 21:28.34 | ckknight | lol, dumps |
| 21:28.41 | pastamancer | poo |
| 21:29.14 | pastamancer | I suppose I should put them somewhere you'll actually be able to download them |
| 21:29.27 | Adirelle | Kaelten: why the syndication to curse.com requires to create the curse.com project beforehand ? |
| 21:29.45 | Adirelle | s/why/while/ |
| 21:29.49 | Adirelle | damn it |
| 21:29.56 | Adirelle | s/while/will/ |
| 21:30.12 | nevcairiel | Adirelle: the syndication creates the project |
| 21:30.17 | nevcairiel | you dont have to do anything |
| 21:30.28 | Kaelten | ya once I flip the switch tommorrow it'll just work |
| 21:30.32 | Adirelle | hopefully, I'm soooo lazy ^^ |
| 21:30.40 | Kaelten | :) |
| 21:31.18 | Kaelten | on a side note I'm merging the info from your old forums accounts in witht he info on the new forums accounts now |
| 21:31.23 | sylvanaar | raid 10=high latency |
| 21:31.35 | Adirelle | real-time progress update ^^ |
| 21:31.42 | Kaelten | sylvanaar:=high randomness |
| 21:32.04 | sylvanaar | why |
| 21:32.09 | Kaelten | for fun and profit |
| 21:32.16 | Adirelle | btw, will the curse project be created on first beta/release package or for each project ? |
| 21:33.03 | ckknight | on first beta/release |
| 21:33.30 | Kaelten | Adirelle: but keep in mind we're importing the last files from wowace as beta |
| 21:33.52 | nevcairiel | except that the CC doesnt download Beta files |
| 21:33.57 | nevcairiel | but i should really leave :D |
| 21:34.05 | Kaelten | right |
| 21:34.13 | ckknight | actually, it does if there are no releases, I thought |
| 21:34.29 | Kaelten | I don't think soo.... let me check |
| 21:34.50 | Kaelten | Kolie doesn't think so either |
| 21:39.05 | Aii | Kaelten: it did for CUF when it was beta-only |
| 21:41.40 | Kaelten | it did? |
| 21:41.42 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 21:44.25 | ckknight | hey all, if you were bitching about comment replies not showing on curse, Chip (the guy working on it) is planning on having a fix for that tonight. It was a weird query messup apparently |
| 21:45.15 | Kaelten | ckknight: on a guess, its only pulling the top tier of comments? |
| 21:45.22 | ckknight | sure is. |
| 21:47.27 | Quaiche|work | Any luck pastamancer ? |
| 21:48.03 | Kaelten | heh, thought so but wasn't sure |
| 21:49.33 | sylvanaar | you have us all bugging you now because they are patching beta |
| 21:49.47 | Stanzilla | hehe |
| 21:50.09 | sylvanaar | where do those guys get the updater from earlier than its on the client? i wonder |
| 21:51.34 | Arrowmaster | Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 21:51.39 | Arrowmaster | forums.wowace.com |
| 21:57.04 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: there is a weird condition of cookies that can cause that |
| 21:57.10 | Kaelten | I'm not sure *exactly* what it is |
| 21:57.25 | Kaelten | try again, if it keeps doing it wipe your cookies and log in again |
| 22:02.10 | pastamancer | Quaiche|work: working on it, there were some other addons with problems that I need to poke at |
| 22:02.19 | Quaiche|work | No problem. Just checking in. |
| 22:05.07 | Arrowmaster | still getting the redirect loop when logged in, worked when i logged out |
| 22:07.47 | Adirelle | ckknight: I'm not sure to get this : http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/pkgmeta-file/#w_specifying-dependencies |
| 22:08.02 | Adirelle | the dependencies are only useful to the curse client ? |
| 22:08.13 | ckknight | yea, and it'll display on the webpage |
| 22:08.17 | ckknight | (not yet, though) |
| 22:08.18 | Adirelle | should this mirror the TOC deps and optdeps ? |
| 22:08.22 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 22:08.32 | Adirelle | so we should list the libs too ? |
| 22:09.28 | ckknight | if you list libs in .pkgmeta for externals, then, no, it's handled |
| 22:09.35 | Arrowmaster | isnt there an 'embedded libs' option when adding that stuff from the site? is there a pkgmeta for that? |
| 22:10.19 | ckknight | yes, externals |
| 22:14.15 | Stanzilla | Adirelle: No repository found in 'svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/lib-debug-log-1-0/mainline/trunk/LibDebugLog-1.0' |
| 22:14.31 | Adirelle | Stanzilla: I know :/ |
| 22:14.34 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 22:14.57 | Adirelle | pasta mancer is working on it |
| 22:15.03 | Stanzilla | kk |
| 22:15.07 | ckknight | pastamancer handed it off to me |
| 22:15.10 | ckknight | I'm working on it now |
| 22:17.08 | Stanzilla | ckknight: when I search for "dogtag" i have no results, if I search for "dog-tag" i get them..that's weird :( |
| 22:17.21 | pastamancer | Quaiche|work: looks like your two will split fine, I'm running the script again |
| 22:17.31 | Quaiche|work | What was the issue? |
| 22:17.43 | pastamancer | they weren't in the original list :p |
| 22:17.54 | Quaiche|work | No, I mean, why did the fail in the first place? |
| 22:18.10 | pastamancer | not sure, there weren't any moves/copies |
| 22:18.19 | Quaiche|work | Nope. And very few commits. |
| 22:22.38 | Kolie2 | bashes head swiftly against desk. |
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| 22:25.40 | Aii | offers Kolie2 a new desk |
| 22:26.40 | Kolie2 | then bashes that one. |
| 22:26.41 | Adirelle | aaww, @debug@ doesn't apply to TOC files :/ |
| 22:29.44 | Zhinjio | Good afternoon, worthies. |
| 22:30.34 | Adirelle | ckknight: gief @debug@ and @alpha@ replacements in TOC files !!!11 |
| 22:30.43 | ckknight | make a ticket |
| 22:30.44 | Dashkal | "worthies"? |
| 22:31.29 | pastamancer | werthies?: http://richardwilson.typepad.com/tvgrouting/images/zwerthers_1.jpg |
| 22:31.54 | Adirelle | @ticket curseforge.com 600 |
| 22:32.07 | Repo | Adirelle: No project found that matches 'curseforge.com' |
| 22:32.23 | Adirelle | hrm |
| 22:32.25 | Adirelle | maybe |
| 22:32.26 | Adirelle | @ticket CurseForge.com 600 |
| 22:32.27 | Repo | Adirelle: No project found that matches 'CurseForge.com' |
| 22:32.41 | Adirelle | damn you |
| 22:33.02 | Adirelle | @ticket curseforge 600 |
| 22:33.25 | Repo | Adirelle: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/600-repository-keyword-substitutions-in-toc-file/. 600 - Repository keyword substitutions in toc file. Reported by: Adirelle. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 14 days ago. Component: Packager. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 22:34.21 | Arrowmaster | Adirelle: that kinda replacement in the toc will be hard since the only way i can think to do it would be perline only so that it doesnt break stuff if its not from a file made by the packager |
| 22:35.08 | ckknight | Adirelle: I already have the whole no-library keyword in tocs |
| 22:35.10 | ckknight | or whatever it is |
| 22:35.24 | Tuller | stealth2k6 said |
| 22:35.24 | Adirelle | not "no-lib", really "debug" (or alpha) |
| 22:35.25 | Tuller | Tue, Sep 30 2008 2:33 PM (3 hour, 59 minutes ago) |
| 22:35.27 | Tuller | why the hell did u take off bongode 3 jack@$$ that was the best at least for me now thnx to u i have to reset everything u should've have just left it alone and created this way oh and btw..... dominos freaking sux u can't even delet and create ur own actionbars like in bongose... jack@$$ |
| 22:35.39 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 22:35.40 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 22:35.50 | pastamancer | classy |
| 22:36.02 | netcurse | wow |
| 22:36.11 | Adirelle | use case: I extract lod modules that requires some libs to run (so when packaged, they aren't loaded if the module is disabled) |
| 22:36.21 | netcurse | let's ban his ass |
| 22:36.23 | pastamancer | perhaps stealth2k6 has been hitting the bongode too hard |
| 22:36.25 | *** join/#curseforge sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85-127-115-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 22:36.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart division by zero |
| 22:36.34 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at division by zero |
| 22:36.42 | pastamancer | or perhaps the bongose |
| 22:36.42 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: i agree! |
| 22:36.53 | Tuller | eh, don't ban em :P |
| 22:36.59 | netcurse | lol |
| 22:37.00 | Adirelle | but in my working copy, the module are inside the main addon, so I have to load the libs and the modules from the toc |
| 22:37.04 | Tuller | he's still seemingly using dominos :P |
| 22:37.12 | sag_ich_nicht | so uhm |
| 22:37.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie2 or someone tell me how are we going to do no-externals now |
| 22:37.55 | pastamancer | yeah, fucking svnadmin load isn't figuring out the relative revision properly |
| 22:38.08 | Arrowmaster | it seems to be done automaticly by the externals |
| 22:38.18 | sag_ich_nicht | no, I mean like how are users going to do with |
| 22:38.23 | sag_ich_nicht | with the new client |
| 22:38.23 | sag_ich_nicht | etc. |
| 22:38.27 | Arrowmaster | they wont for now |
| 22:38.36 | Arrowmaster | it caused nothing but pain |
| 22:38.42 | sag_ich_nicht | it causes me pain to not have it |
| 22:38.46 | sag_ich_nicht | because it means longer loading times |
| 22:38.50 | sag_ich_nicht | a LOT longer |
| 22:38.54 | Arrowmaster | i agree too |
| 22:39.15 | Arrowmaster | but it caused nothing but pain when those that had no idea what they were doing used it |
| 22:39.25 | Kolie2 | hmm? |
| 22:39.29 | Kolie2 | What broke? |
| 22:39.32 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 22:39.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie2: nothing broke |
| 22:39.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie2: I am asking how and if there are plans for no externals addon installations |
| 22:39.49 | Arrowmaster | if it is added to the curseclient i vote it be a hidden advanced option |
| 22:39.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: agree'd |
| 22:40.00 | Kolie2 | Client handles it. Curseforge handles it. Addon service, doesnt handle it. |
| 22:40.07 | pastamancer | damnit, now I need to write a dump revision renumberer |
| 22:40.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie2: no what we mean is |
| 22:40.27 | sag_ich_nicht | installing as no-ext by default |
| 22:40.30 | sag_ich_nicht | and pulling all dependencies |
| 22:40.37 | Kolie2 | Yep. |
| 22:40.41 | Kolie2 | I know what you mean. |
| 22:40.49 | sag_ich_nicht | so how does the curse client handle it. |
| 22:40.55 | Kolie2 | Just fine? |
| 22:40.57 | sag_ich_nicht | and what do you mean with addon service doesn't handle it |
| 22:41.08 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't see an option to decide if I want no-ext or with ext |
| 22:41.25 | Kolie2 | Because its not shown, because the addon service doesnt give what I need to use it. |
| 22:41.27 | sag_ich_nicht | so: how does the curse client handle it (not: "does he handle it good") |
| 22:41.32 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 22:41.44 | Kolie2 | There is a global option which says which which to use, and you can also change it per addon. |
| 22:41.50 | sag_ich_nicht | so when you refer to addon service, you mean the daemon running on the curse servers? |
| 22:41.52 | Kolie2 | You dont see it now because it wouldnt work. |
| 22:42.04 | Kolie2 | The addon service, is a web service, which the client communicates to. |
| 22:42.25 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 22:42.27 | Adirelle | ckknight: no-lib only address no-lib packaging (that isn't done/visible yet) but what if I want to include some files in my working copy but not in the package (because I move-folders them) ? |
| 22:42.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ETA on that working? |
| 22:42.41 | Kolie2 | I don't know. |
| 22:42.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Well who would know. |
| 22:42.53 | Kolie2 | Don't know that either :) |
| 22:43.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight netcurse prepare for stabbery |
| 22:43.03 | Adirelle | ckknight: sample case : lod modules that load "heavy" libs |
| 22:43.17 | Gnarfoz | probably quite low in terms of priority ^^ |
| 22:43.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz silence |
| 22:43.46 | Gnarfoz | the day that you write proper sentences - maybe. |
| 22:44.39 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 22:44.43 | Gnarfoz | who |
| 22:44.45 | sag_ich_nicht | I write proper sentences all the time |
| 22:44.49 | sag_ich_nicht | what are you talking about |
| 22:44.55 | sag_ich_nicht | stop smoking kiddo |
| 22:45.26 | Gnarfoz | I'm not smoking anything, and I'm not a "kiddo", either. :P |
| 22:45.34 | sag_ich_nicht | stop smoking kiddo |
| 22:45.52 | Gnarfoz | sighs |
| 22:47.22 | ckknight | Adirelle: just use .pkgmeta sanely and it should work out |
| 22:48.16 | sag_ich_nicht | hi ckk |
| 22:48.33 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: you're a troll |
| 22:48.42 | ckknight | (btw) |
| 22:49.44 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: externals in externals are ignored right? |
| 22:49.50 | Kuja^ | so tell us anything we don't know :P |
| 22:49.56 | ckknight | no, Arrowmaster |
| 22:50.00 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: NO SHIT |
| 22:50.01 | Arrowmaster | oh.. |
| 22:50.02 | ckknight | they're followed |
| 22:50.06 | ckknight | indoor voice. |
| 22:50.14 | sag_ich_nicht | that is my indoor voice. |
| 22:50.24 | sag_ich_nicht | I have a really loud voice IRL. |
| 22:50.25 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: can you set the packager to ignore certain ones maybe? |
| 22:50.25 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 22:50.37 | Gnarfoz | as this channel doesn't have +c set, I'd rather not ask for the outdoor voice... |
| 22:50.43 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: like what? |
| 22:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | People get scared and run away when they hear me yelling IRL |
| 22:50.58 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 22:51.04 | Arrowmaster | like for example libstub so we can start using it as an external in libs |
| 22:51.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ~emo |
| 22:51.05 | purl | /wrists |
| 22:51.58 | ckknight | following it is the proper way for now |
| 22:52.08 | ckknight | we can discuss later, though |
| 22:52.14 | Arrowmaster | k |
| 22:52.38 | Gnarfoz | scared = annoyed, run away = put me on ignore, yelling IRL = talking on IRC --> well |
| 22:53.32 | sag_ich_nicht | no not really Gnarfoz |
| 22:53.54 | sag_ich_nicht | but on a more serious note, any ETA on that addon service change/improvement ckk? |
| 22:54.07 | ckknight | not from me, I've no control over that |
| 22:54.12 | sag_ich_nicht | well who does |
| 22:54.20 | ckknight | Adamar, I believe |
| 22:54.32 | sag_ich_nicht | who is not present. |
| 22:54.34 | sag_ich_nicht | /wrists |
| 22:54.42 | ckknight | yea, he doesn't come on IRC |
| 22:54.59 | sag_ich_nicht | which means he is either very hard working or a lazy bum |
| 22:55.08 | sag_ich_nicht | which means I am either in luck or very out of it |
| 22:55.09 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 22:55.35 | Gnarfoz | he's probably scared of you :p |
| 22:56.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 22:56.40 | sag_ich_nicht | I WISH my reputation was that good |
| 22:56.42 | sag_ich_nicht | :3 |
| 22:57.55 | netcurse | slaps sag_ich_nicht around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:58.49 | Adirelle | night |
| 23:00.04 | Dashkal | Aiiane: so someone finally decided to touch the project |
| 23:02.46 | Aii | Dashkal: hm? |
| 23:03.04 | Aii | the WAR Ace3? |
| 23:04.49 | Aii | oh, that |
| 23:07.44 | Zhinjio | did popcap release an update to bejeweled? |
| 23:07.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:07.52 | Arrowmaster | 1.0.1 |
| 23:07.59 | Arrowmaster | on curse and wowinterface |
| 23:08.06 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 23:08.29 | Arrowmaster | not sure if their 'official' site has it since last i looked it still said 1.0 but i didnt download to check |
| 23:10.39 | Quaiche|work | pastamancer: any luck? |
| 23:10.42 | Dashkal | most.evil.mod.ever |
| 23:11.27 | Quaiche | A bunch of files have shown up now, but still no svn |
| 23:12.02 | ckknight | Quaiche: hrm, you sure? |
| 23:12.04 | ckknight | which project? |
| 23:12.13 | Quaiche | Yep. They weren't there this morning. |
| 23:12.22 | Quaiche | This morning is was just the page "Main" |
| 23:12.30 | Quaiche | Now there are files, but the date/rev are weird |
| 23:12.54 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags-r82017 Beta Quaiche 09/24/2008 Normal |
| 23:12.56 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags-r81035 Beta Quaiche 08/27/2008 Normal |
| 23:12.57 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags-r80964 Beta Quaiche 08/25/2008 Normal |
| 23:12.59 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags-r80870 Beta Quaiche 08/23/2008 Normal |
| 23:13.00 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags-r80827 Beta Quaiche 08/22/2008 Normal |
| 23:13.05 | Quaiche | See? The dates and revs are strange |
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| 23:14.13 | pastamancer | http://kyle.13th-floor.org/hidden/wowace/ that's dumps for broker_bags and broker_raid-targets |
| 23:17.41 | Quaiche | So... making headway then? |
| 23:19.41 | pastamancer | yeah, I had to write a filter that would renumber the revisions to work around what appears to be a bug in svnadmin |
| 23:21.09 | Quaiche | General question: When linking from one addon to another, do you link to the CF page or the official curse page? I'm thinking the latter. |
| 23:21.42 | pastamancer | I still can't get prat filtered out, but everything else looks good |
| 23:23.14 | ckknight | Quaiche: link the curse page |
| 23:23.33 | pastamancer | http://kyle.13th-floor.org/hidden/wowace/ updated with wowace-collectinator and yatba |
| 23:23.35 | ckknight | Quaiche: think you can handle the pkgmeta stuff on your own? |
| 23:23.42 | Quaiche | For...? |
| 23:23.48 | pastamancer | I'll look at prat tomorrow |
| 23:23.53 | Quaiche | Broker_Bags and Broker_Raid-Targets? |
| 23:23.54 | ckknight | Quaiche: your broker stuff |
| 23:23.54 | Quaiche | Sure |
| 23:23.57 | Quaiche | No prob |
| 23:24.02 | Quaiche | Just get my SVN up |
| 23:24.13 | Quaiche | The reason I found this is I was gonna go fix all the externals anway |
| 23:24.19 | Quaiche | That was the point. :) |
| 23:24.29 | Quaiche | So I'm happy to do it if you guys get me up and running. |
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| 23:24.52 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.00 | Quaiche | Hey Kaelten |
| 23:25.43 | Quaiche | Another question: What are the recommended practices for projects that came over from wowace that are dead? |
| 23:25.58 | Quaiche | I'm just not gonna tag them |
| 23:26.01 | Kaelten | hey Quaiche |
| 23:26.06 | Quaiche | What are the rest of you doing? |
| 23:26.22 | Kaelten | more or less a good policy |
| 23:26.30 | Kaelten | you can also abandon them if you don't want them to appear at all |
| 23:26.37 | pastamancer | I'm running my split for every addon in that dictionary you gave me ckk, mostly to find any bugs in my filter scripts |
| 23:26.40 | Quaiche | I'm fine with them staying for now. |
| 23:27.05 | Quaiche | I wish I could flag them as "inactive" and move them off the list... but not have them totally go away. |
| 23:27.17 | Quaiche | @ticket curseforge 646 |
| 23:27.47 | Repo | Quaiche: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/646-home-project-list-enhancements/. 646 - Home Project List Enhancements. Reported by: Quaiche. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 4 hours ago. Component: Projects. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: +4. Comments: 1 |
| 23:28.21 | pastamancer | all the new dumps I'll be generating won't have any gaps in the revision numbers |
| 23:29.29 | Quaiche | Just holler when I'm good pastamancer. Thanks for all the hard work. |
| 23:29.48 | pastamancer | it's out of my hands now Quaiche |
| 23:30.02 | pastamancer | I don't work for curse |
| 23:32.22 | Kaelten | no pastamancer is just an awesome community member who happens to have good svndump foo |
| 23:33.00 | Ackis | pasta dumps good |
| 23:33.02 | Ackis | mmmm |
| 23:33.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie2 am I missing something or is the curse client lacking an option to turn off auto start? |
| 23:33.54 | Quaiche | Ah gotcha. |
| 23:33.57 | Quaiche | Thanks again pastamancer |
| 23:34.02 | Quaiche | ckknight: update? :) |
| 23:34.06 | ckknight | okay, svn+ssh, git, and hg now check moderator status, meaning all moderators have access to repos properly (but only for sites they moderate) |
| 23:34.07 | pastamancer | I also have a 20-something GB svn repo at work that I've been writing all sorts of crazy tools for |
| 23:34.11 | ckknight | Quaiche: hrm? |
| 23:34.27 | pastamancer | I'm out until... maybe 1am |
| 23:34.33 | Quaiche | Pasta's dump of my stuff? Does that mean my svn should be up now? |
| 23:34.55 | ckknight | I haven't done that yet |
| 23:35.01 | Quaiche | keedoke |
| 23:35.12 | Quaiche | I'll be afk, but I'll check back later |
| 23:36.46 | *** join/#curseforge Tuller (n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:38.12 | Ackis | wow I just checked out ARL from wowace and... ZOOM it was fast!!!! |
| 23:39.03 | ckknight | lol, Ackis |
| 23:39.26 | Ackis | and you guys managed to keep my revision history too... bonus points |
| 23:43.15 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: so i can checkout everything with the real dev url and it will work? |
| 23:43.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:43.56 | ckknight | Ackis: :-) |
| 23:45.10 | Ackis | I do have one question, is it better to keep my stuff on CF or on wowace? CC will get them both so that's a non-issue methinks |
| 23:45.23 | Arrowmaster | theres no difference |
| 23:45.56 | Ackis | well... the skin ;) |
| 23:45.59 | ckknight | your choice |
| 23:46.07 | ckknight | well, we will backport wowace's skin features |
| 23:46.28 | ckknight | I think people have plans to weed out shitty projects from wowace and put em on curseforge |
| 23:47.02 | Arrowmaster | *cough* |
| 23:47.17 | Arrowmaster | if allowed to |
| 23:47.32 | ckknight | well, it'll be up to the talking heads of wowace to decide how to approach it |
| 23:47.50 | ckknight | if it is decided that's what gonna happen, keep documentation on how to decide whether or not to accept something |
| 23:47.52 | Arrowmaster | i may be vocal but you guys atleast know i wont do anything you dont want me to |
| 23:48.36 | ckknight | as long as there's documentation on how and why things will be accepted or declined, it seems fine to me |
| 23:49.40 | Arrowmaster | can the documention be 'we decided to vote you off the island!'? |
| 23:50.10 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 23:51.27 | Arrowmaster | sweet |
| 23:52.55 | ckknight | as long as there is a public policy decision, I'd be fine with it |
| 23:53.03 | ckknight | I don't think a culture of secrecy would be good |
| 23:53.05 | ckknight | just keep that in mind |
| 23:53.45 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 23:53.53 | Dashkal | hmm, if it were turned into some secret clubhouse it would slowly strangle itself to death anyway... |
| 23:53.57 | Ackis | aye |
| 23:54.02 | ckknight | that's what I was thinking |
| 23:54.34 | Quaiche|away | Bring on the secret society!! |
| 23:54.44 | Quaiche|away | 2leet4u |
| 23:54.51 | ckknight | Quaiche|away: your repos are in |
| 23:54.57 | Quaiche|away | Thanks ckk |
| 23:54.59 | Quaiche|away | You guys rock |
| 23:55.07 | ckknight | yea, we sure do. |
| 23:55.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:55.22 | ckknight | Dashkal: you need to come up with better poll ideas, btw |
| 23:55.39 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 23:55.47 | ckknight | lots of people have complained |
| 23:55.48 | Dashkal | that was a snap idea not really well suited to a poll |
| 23:55.55 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:56.00 | Dashkal | I really didn't expect you to actually _do_ it :p |
| 23:56.03 | ckknight | well, I need to come up with one in 24 hours |
| 23:56.46 | Dashkal | are they still curse-wide? |
| 23:57.03 | Dashkal | (guessing so, but there's hope...) |
| 23:57.14 | ckknight | actually you can set it to be on a single site or site-agnostic |
| 23:57.21 | Quaiche|away | I wish I could tell an svn:external to not follow externals on the external |
| 23:57.22 | ckknight | the only two sites being curseforge and wowace |
| 23:57.47 | ckknight | pastamancer: I got those repos in, btw |
| 23:57.57 | ckknight | Dashkal: we could have separate polls tomorrow |
| 23:58.02 | Quaiche|away | So if we update the pkgmeta to the new wowace externals, will they resolve now? |
| 23:58.15 | ckknight | Dashkal: actually, one of our ideas is better Site ACLs so that people can make polls and such |
| 23:58.19 | ckknight | yes, Quaiche|away |
| 23:58.27 | Quaiche|away | Bueno |
| 23:58.57 | Dashkal | well it's just that the first idea to come to mind was wow specific (favorite northrend zone music) |
| 23:59.06 | Ackis | ok what's the status on merging now? (havent found anything looking at the text) |
| 23:59.14 | ckknight | Ackis: you can merge now |
| 23:59.39 | ckknight | just tell me right away if something fucks up |
| 23:59.46 | Ackis | always |
