| 00:11.40 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster just fyi.. still chasing down that darn Pastey thing |
| 00:11.54 | Nechckn | will let you know if we nab it... getting there |
| 00:12.08 | Arrowmaster | it seems to be something probably not related to pastey but the web in general |
| 00:12.16 | Arrowmaster | go look at wowace forums |
| 00:12.26 | Arrowmaster | the recent thread about the upcoming changes |
| 00:13.04 | Arrowmaster | theres 2 different people that quote the exact same line form another person but one of the quotes has this character block showing 00 01 for me |
| 00:13.29 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: looking through gitattributes, it doesn't really fit with what I want to do with the pkgmeta thing |
| 00:13.48 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 00:13.49 | ckknight | compared to svn's properties, at least, it's a lot stricter on what goes in there |
| 00:14.17 | Arrowmaster | didnt seem like it to me |
| 00:14.32 | ckknight | I'm just trying to come up with a solution here :-P |
| 00:14.49 | ckknight | gitattributes can't have newlines, and thus have restrictions on arbitrary data |
| 00:15.38 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 00:16.05 | ckknight | looking through docs now |
| 00:16.11 | ckknight | there's not much docs on gitattributes |
| 00:16.20 | ckknight | doesn't seem like arbitrary data is expected to go in there |
| 00:20.20 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster think you could be right... I tried a bunch of times, same as you... Esamynn tried just now and look: |
| 00:20.35 | Arrowmaster | browser info? |
| 00:20.49 | Nechckn | http://ace.pastey.net/91561 old http://norgdev.pastey.net/92166 new |
| 00:22.37 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster I tried FF3 and IE8, he's on FF Now I shall leave the CF discussion to more CFy stuff. Just wanted to let you know I didn't forget you. |
| 00:22.52 | Arrowmaster | k |
| 00:24.48 | *** join/#curseforge ZealotOnAStick (n=vircuser@c-71-207-162-198.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.43 | *** join/#curseforge Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 01:20.00 | *** join/#curseforge kaelten_ (n=kaelten@c-68-62-218-86.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:22.05 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 01:34.38 | Arrowmaster | so when are authors getting their beta keys? |
| 01:36.19 | Kody | As soon as Blizzard sends them after I send the first batch of names |
| 01:38.39 | Arrowmaster | dont you need like more info to send to blizzard though? |
| 01:38.52 | Arrowmaster | you never asked me for info that blizzard can link to my account |
| 01:39.24 | Kody | I'm going to ask that when we get the names together |
| 01:39.40 | Kody | Which will be tomorrow |
| 01:39.41 | Arrowmaster | but you already know that my name is going to be on the list |
| 01:39.57 | Hjalte | I think you should have beta keys for the nice users that can't write addons but still hang out in this channel :( |
| 01:40.14 | Arrowmaster | Hjalte: nah just cheat like me |
| 01:40.51 | Kody | I wouldn't suggest cheating :P |
| 01:41.05 | Arrowmaster | its not 'cheating' |
| 01:41.26 | *** join/#curseforge ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 01:41.26 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 01:41.57 | Arrowmaster | i just never had a reason to get added as an author to any project before this even though i did do valid work on the project |
| 01:48.17 | Hjalte | I'll have to come up with some really simple addon idea for the next expansion. I love betas! |
| 02:01.30 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster's done plenty of work on my stuff :P |
| 02:02.13 | *** join/#curseforge Luthorhuss (n=chatzill@0x50a58153.svgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 02:03.00 | Hjalte | starts making the next threat meter, muhaha. |
| 02:04.04 | Hjalte | I should buy one of those books for lua coding. |
| 02:05.20 | Antiarc | The new one is great |
| 02:05.24 | Antiarc | World of Warcraft Programming |
| 02:05.25 | Antiarc | Very solid |
| 02:05.49 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have a copy |
| 02:07.04 | *** join/#curseforge NeoTron (n=neotron@c-76-121-238-204.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:52.27 | Zhinjio | so I can't just upload a new vesion now, right?> I need to svn push it and tag it as release? |
| 02:53.09 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.13 | Aiiane | er... ignore that. |
| 03:06.49 | Zhinjio | anyone not idle that can help with a code push? I'm doing something wrong here. |
| 03:09.49 | Zhinjio | damnit. I'm gonna need to redo my public key. I forgot my passphrase. |
| 03:12.13 | *** join/#curseforge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 03:24.49 | Aiiane | lol Zhinjio :x |
| 03:59.44 | Gnarfoz | <Arrowmaster> you never asked me for info that blizzard can link to my account <-- what would blizzard need that info for? you get a key, it's not pre-bound to anything ;) |
| 04:00.18 | Arrowmaster | so you only get one |
| 04:01.07 | *** join/#curseforge Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 04:01.22 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 04:33.49 | *** join/#curseforge netcurse (n=chatzill@62.210.91.187) |
| 04:35.43 | *** join/#curseforge netcurse (n=chatzill@62.210.91.187) |
| 04:39.11 | *** join/#curseforge HolgerDK (n=markj@0x57372af1.nfnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 04:56.10 | *** join/#curseforge smariot (n=smariot@bas3-sudbury98-1168049856.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 04:59.36 | *** join/#curseforge Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 05:37.15 | *** part/#curseforge ZealotOnAStick (n=vircuser@c-71-207-162-198.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 05:50.07 | *** join/#curseforge Kody- (n=kody@c-98-210-154-155.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:50.07 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kody-] by ChanServ |
| 06:09.42 | *** join/#curseforge Nechckn (n=N@c-98-218-229-122.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 06:16.55 | *** join/#curseforge Elkano (i=Elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:26.20 | *** join/#curseforge cncfanatics (i=c1201e48@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b892fc93e72a4a8) |
| 06:27.57 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 06:37.12 | Zhinjio | heya |
| 06:37.20 | *** join/#curseforge charon (n=thomas@cx-public-docking-1-043.ethz.ch) |
| 06:37.26 | Zhinjio | is there anyone on who can speak to the svn stuff on curseforge? |
| 06:37.30 | Zhinjio | specifically: |
| 06:37.38 | Zhinjio | do I manage externals in the same way? |
| 06:37.43 | Zhinjio | (as wowace svn) |
| 06:37.52 | charon | morning |
| 06:38.41 | charon | should poke ckknight about that, he'd know |
| 06:38.42 | Zhinjio | can I point an external to the wowace repository? (LibRockHook, etc) |
| 06:38.54 | Zhinjio | yeah, but noone's really alive in here atm |
| 06:39.06 | charon | the last one is a definite "yes", i use the built-in fake externals support that lets us put externals in git repos and hook stuff from wowace |
| 06:39.20 | charon | i just can't say if you're supposed to use that web form or svn:externals |
| 06:39.32 | charon | i suppose you could just try svn:externals, and if that fails use the form? |
| 06:39.32 | Zhinjio | ah, there's a web form? I'll go check on that. |
| 06:39.49 | starlon | repository settings |
| 06:39.51 | charon | the repository settings thing has an externals field |
| 06:39.54 | charon | at least for git |
| 06:40.00 | Zhinjio | ooo |
| 06:40.07 | Zhinjio | it looks like I already tried to do some of that. |
| 06:40.13 | Zhinjio | or it was done for me. |
| 06:40.36 | charon | though there's been talk of using a text file in the repository for that, which i think is great because it versions the externals |
| 06:49.38 | Zhinjio | how often does the auto-package-ifier dohickey run? |
| 06:50.09 | smariot | every 1488 microfortnights. |
| 06:54.36 | Zhinjio | I almost decided to try and calculate how long that would be. |
| 06:54.45 | Zhinjio | and then I realized that would be really fucking dumb. |
| 06:55.09 | Aiiane | lol |
| 06:56.06 | cncfanatics | Zhinjio: if you have nothing better to do ,why not ? |
| 06:56.23 | Zhinjio | well, thats just the thing. I do have better things to do. |
| 06:56.30 | Zhinjio | like get my current build pushed for release. |
| 06:58.13 | Zhinjio | so if I want the mainline repository to push a release, what do I do? Just tag it? or something? |
| 06:58.31 | cncfanatics | just tag it afaik |
| 07:01.37 | Zhinjio | and then that gets packaged, presumably |
| 07:01.40 | Zhinjio | alright, I'll try to be patient. |
| 07:07.02 | Dashkal | lua> print ("every " .. (1488 * 14 * 24 * 60) .. " minutes.") |
| 07:07.03 | lua_bot | Dashkal: every 29998080 minutes. |
| 07:07.11 | Aiiane | ...micro |
| 07:07.18 | Dashkal | I need sleep. later |
| 07:22.05 | *** join/#curseforge netcurse (n=chatzill@rdcg01.wifihubtelecom.net) |
| 07:22.49 | Elkano | morning net |
| 07:29.00 | netcurse | hey |
| 07:29.08 | netcurse | waiting for my plane :( |
| 07:29.13 | netcurse | 10 hours omg |
| 07:29.34 | netcurse | Elkano are you going to be at the GC? |
| 07:29.37 | Elkano | going to US? |
| 07:29.45 | cncfanatics | going from where to where netcurse ? |
| 07:29.47 | Elkano | nope |
| 07:29.49 | netcurse | yeah going back |
| 07:30.08 | Elkano | back to or from US? |
| 07:30.11 | netcurse | i was here only 2 days.. had a very important meeting |
| 07:30.19 | netcurse | going back to SF |
| 07:30.44 | netcurse | We are in total crunch mode right now to make the premium and rev share happen |
| 07:30.55 | netcurse | + WOLTK and the other games releasing |
| 07:31.09 | Elkano | :) |
| 07:31.42 | Elkano | yeah, waiting for my wotlk key currently... got one for BFHeroes that weekend ^^ |
| 07:31.52 | cncfanatics | giev wotlk key indeed |
| 07:31.55 | netcurse | ah cool, i have a bf key also |
| 07:32.02 | cncfanatics | my druid is 70 and nearly get up so I'm gonna get coding soon :) |
| 07:32.09 | netcurse | I m not sure when blizzard is going to send us the WOLTK keys for authors |
| 07:32.10 | cncfanatics | Elkano: does it have scripting ? |
| 07:32.21 | netcurse | i will ask and get back to you guys tomorrow |
| 07:32.58 | Elkano | cnc, I think NDA disallows anything besides telling that there is a beta and that you are allowed to participate ^^ |
| 07:33.12 | cncfanatics | Elkano: thats a rather scrict NDA :( |
| 07:33.24 | cncfanatics | netcurse: I applied through wowi though, but it should be the same |
| 07:33.26 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 07:33.31 | Elkano | well, I applied via wowi only for the key but shouldn't matter |
| 07:33.38 | netcurse | no it's separate |
| 07:33.39 | nevcairiel | the beta doesnt have any NDA |
| 07:33.59 | Elkano | nev, I was talking about BF:H |
| 07:34.00 | netcurse | WoWi and us got different contest |
| 07:34.02 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 07:34.12 | netcurse | i think you can apply to both |
| 07:34.16 | Elkano | so I should apply via curse, too? |
| 07:34.18 | cncfanatics | I doubt it |
| 07:34.22 | netcurse | yep |
| 07:34.33 | nevcairiel | I did it on both, just to maybe speed up the key-getting |
| 07:34.36 | cncfanatics | the wowi page strictly states that if you try to get multiple keys u'll get none afaik |
| 07:35.03 | netcurse | i just read the blizzard email.. |
| 07:35.13 | netcurse | nothing says about people applying on both site |
| 07:35.24 | Aiiane | net, how extensive of an author do we have to be to apply? |
| 07:35.36 | netcurse | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.56 | netcurse | to apply here : http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/lich-king-beta-author-key-giveaway/ |
| 07:36.05 | nevcairiel | you have to have a mod that is on curse and up2date for 2.4.3 Aiiane |
| 07:36.16 | Aiiane | Yes, I knew that much nevcairiel |
| 07:36.27 | netcurse | I won't be doing the hand picking :) |
| 07:36.43 | netcurse | I think it's mostly going to be kaelten/ckk/Zealot/Kody doing it |
| 07:36.44 | nevcairiel | who does? |
| 07:36.46 | Aiiane | I just wasn't sure if there were an effectively limited number of keys and so if we weren't an author of a major addon we shouldn't bother, or not |
| 07:36.50 | cncfanatics | blizz does nevcairiel iir |
| 07:37.14 | cncfanatics | at least I thought they did |
| 07:37.18 | netcurse | nop.. |
| 07:37.20 | cncfanatics | but netcurse is prolly right |
| 07:37.22 | netcurse | they ask us to pick |
| 07:37.49 | netcurse | but i could be wrong, i m not involved in that |
| 07:38.18 | netcurse | i try to stay updated on everything community wise but it's hard right now with the company.. |
| 07:38.41 | netcurse | and so much to do and implement to be successful in what we want to do |
| 07:39.03 | netcurse | I just finished reading the IRC log |
| 07:39.18 | netcurse | fee of the premium Nevcairiel is going to be around 3 usd a month |
| 07:39.47 | Aiiane | also, does WowAce count as Curse network, or does it need to be published on curse/curseforge |
| 07:39.51 | netcurse | We are also working very actively in getting beta keys for the incoming games |
| 07:40.15 | netcurse | Not right now Aiiane, in the future it will |
| 07:40.27 | Aiiane | Alright, that's what I guessed but figured it couldn't hurt to ask. :) |
| 07:41.25 | netcurse | http://www.wowdb.com/search.aspx?browse=1&filters=142=8634 |
| 07:41.34 | netcurse | 1996 WOLTK items |
| 07:41.39 | cncfanatics | mmmm |
| 07:41.49 | cncfanatics | guess I'll also add my project to curse then |
| 07:42.19 | netcurse | Nev also |
| 07:42.28 | netcurse | One thing that bryan didn't talk too much |
| 07:43.06 | netcurse | We will guarantee free game cards to all authors that put at least some work in their addons, even if it's not incredibly popular |
| 07:43.07 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 07:43.12 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 07:43.27 | netcurse | scroll up btw ;P |
| 07:43.36 | nevcairiel | yeah i read that |
| 07:43.39 | nevcairiel | i'm just eating :) |
| 07:43.43 | netcurse | ok |
| 07:43.58 | netcurse | who is interested in stargate world? |
| 07:44.12 | cncfanatics | honestly, I'm intrested in any game I can script some on |
| 07:44.15 | netcurse | the UI is already moddable |
| 07:44.28 | netcurse | ok |
| 07:44.28 | cncfanatics | got a linky ? I'll read up if its my type of game :p |
| 07:44.54 | nevcairiel | is it any good? |
| 07:44.59 | netcurse | http://stargateworlds.com/ |
| 07:45.05 | netcurse | It's in very early alpha |
| 07:45.16 | netcurse | I think it's very promising |
| 07:45.18 | cncfanatics | bah |
| 07:45.21 | cncfanatics | full flash site |
| 07:45.22 | cncfanatics | no flash here |
| 07:45.23 | nevcairiel | any popular developers behind it? |
| 07:45.42 | Elkano | I wonder how the StarTrek mmorpg will evolve... |
| 07:45.47 | netcurse | well Cheyenne mountain is not a random developer :P |
| 07:46.02 | nevcairiel | sounds like a team specifically for that game =P |
| 07:46.18 | cncfanatics | scheduled to release in 2009 |
| 07:47.18 | cncfanatics | netcurse: what scripting language(s) does it use ? |
| 07:47.24 | Zhinjio | so, um... |
| 07:47.40 | Zhinjio | my tag hasn't created a file. I guess I don't know how to make that happen |
| 07:47.43 | netcurse | it use flash/actionscript |
| 07:47.53 | cncfanatics | the game ? |
| 07:48.00 | netcurse | most incoming mmos in 2009 use actionscript as scripting langague |
| 07:48.12 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 07:48.12 | cncfanatics | mmmm, I'd rather use lua :( |
| 07:48.14 | Arrowmaster | why..... |
| 07:48.28 | netcurse | the bioware MMO will use actionscript, stargate world, all incoming SOE titles.. |
| 07:48.29 | nevcairiel | actionscript is made of pure fail |
| 07:48.37 | cncfanatics | bah |
| 07:48.38 | Arrowmaster | jumpgate too? |
| 07:48.42 | cncfanatics | ~spit actionscript |
| 07:48.43 | purl | ACTION hurls a huge goober onto actionscript. |
| 07:48.46 | Arrowmaster | i read its interface was in flash |
| 07:48.51 | netcurse | arrowmaster yes |
| 07:48.55 | cncfanatics | in interface in flash ? |
| 07:48.58 | netcurse | i actually played jumpgate last week =P |
| 07:48.59 | cncfanatics | that sounds weird :p |
| 07:48.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah total fail |
| 07:49.10 | Arrowmaster | no serious dev is going to touch any of those |
| 07:49.11 | cncfanatics | I'll stick to WoW and its lovely lua engine |
| 07:49.21 | netcurse | WAR use LUA |
| 07:49.30 | nevcairiel | WAR will fail because of EA |
| 07:49.32 | cncfanatics | WAR had a serious cut of content though |
| 07:49.33 | nevcairiel | its as simple as that |
| 07:49.35 | netcurse | naaaaaa |
| 07:49.41 | Arrowmaster | theres wow addon devs that dont even play the game anymore but still dev |
| 07:49.45 | netcurse | the game was looking very good last week at E3 |
| 07:49.45 | nevcairiel | EA screws up all their games |
| 07:49.50 | Arrowmaster | not going to happen with shitty actionscript |
| 07:49.58 | netcurse | i'm a mythic fan anyhow |
| 07:50.00 | cncfanatics | netcurse: true, but I don't like how they're cutting FOUR major cities and classes |
| 07:50.12 | nevcairiel | announcing a 60-70% content cut just to make a release date WILL make a game fail |
| 07:50.23 | Elkano | what I'd be really interested in would be a playtest of darkfall... even if it would only be to show me I shouldn't care about it ;) |
| 07:50.24 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: actionscript + flash sounds more like they want anyone to be able to tickle around with it a bit |
| 07:50.31 | cncfanatics | but noone to do really anything serious |
| 07:51.03 | Arrowmaster | they want people to be able to customize the look and thats all |
| 07:51.09 | Zhinjio | so anyone who's done successful build pushes using curseforge on here? |
| 07:51.10 | cncfanatics | could any admin approve my fb2 project on cf ? |
| 07:51.10 | netcurse | i don't know about actionscript i'm a noob ;P all i know is that every mmo publishers i meet when they hear Curse they all tell me about their interface coming up in flash |
| 07:51.16 | Zhinjio | this just ain't workin' |
| 07:51.27 | netcurse | Zhinjio, only ckk or Kaelten can fix |
| 07:51.36 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: i thought there was an option to package the current rev |
| 07:51.38 | netcurse | doing it now Cnc |
| 07:51.42 | cncfanatics | ty netcurse |
| 07:51.43 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: in theory, you just tag it, and its fine |
| 07:51.47 | cncfanatics | there's also a file aproval pending |
| 07:51.53 | Zhinjio | Arrowmaster: is there? Hmm. |
| 07:52.04 | Zhinjio | oh? someone has to approve? ok. |
| 07:52.20 | Zhinjio | well, thats even worse than waiting for the wowace packagemancer to get unclogged. |
| 07:52.24 | Zhinjio | damn |
| 07:52.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:52.25 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: you can edit your alpha rev files to be betas or releases as well |
| 07:52.35 | netcurse | you are all set cnc |
| 07:53.08 | Zhinjio | nevcairiel: yes, but it hasn't built a zip for the tag I created, so I can't edit its release status |
| 07:53.20 | NeoTron | what the heck is actionscript? |
| 07:53.31 | nevcairiel | the scripting language for flash |
| 07:53.33 | netcurse | flash language |
| 07:53.37 | NeoTron | urgh |
| 07:53.39 | NeoTron | ok |
| 07:53.54 | cncfanatics | netcurse: the next time they tell you that |
| 07:54.02 | cncfanatics | tell them no serious dev will *ever* want to work on their UI |
| 07:54.07 | cncfanatics | and tell em about lua |
| 07:54.10 | netcurse | i will for sure |
| 07:54.13 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 07:54.32 | netcurse | i also heard about python as scripting UI language |
| 07:54.43 | netcurse | can't say for what game tho |
| 07:54.49 | cncfanatics | link em all to lua imo |
| 07:54.56 | nevcairiel | python would work as well |
| 07:55.04 | cncfanatics | could work indeed |
| 07:55.05 | nevcairiel | just actionscript simply doesnt work |
| 07:55.09 | Arrowmaster | ive seen python used in games but not for moding |
| 07:55.12 | cncfanatics | but I'd prefer lua personaly |
| 07:55.13 | netcurse | you want me to print post it with www.lua.org |
| 07:55.15 | Arrowmaster | it was used by the devs |
| 07:55.15 | cncfanatics | over python |
| 07:55.29 | netcurse | i think that the biggest provider of console game UI is in python |
| 07:55.40 | netcurse | i don't remember the company doing this but i have read about it |
| 07:55.43 | cncfanatics | well, lua has more features hndy for UI scripting imo |
| 07:56.28 | Arrowmaster | well lua has better c bindings than python i thought too making it tie in better |
| 07:56.31 | netcurse | someone has the logs of the US chat yesterday |
| 07:56.37 | netcurse | i can only see the euro chat |
| 07:56.44 | Arrowmaster | what chat? |
| 07:56.51 | netcurse | #wowace-upgrade |
| 07:57.36 | cncfanatics | can you link those EU chatlogs netcurse ? |
| 07:57.39 | cncfanatics | didn't have the chance to read them yet |
| 07:57.45 | nevcairiel | they are on the forums |
| 07:57.48 | cncfanatics | ah k |
| 07:57.55 | netcurse | you are all set Aiiane also |
| 07:58.00 | Aiiane | :) |
| 07:58.15 | netcurse | i have to run in 5 minutes.. 10 hours flight ZZZ |
| 07:58.22 | Aiiane | Have a safe trip! |
| 07:58.38 | Aiiane | And hopefully uneventful. :) |
| 07:58.42 | netcurse | sleeping pills are saving my life of not dieing of boredome |
| 07:58.45 | Arrowmaster | where are you? |
| 07:58.52 | netcurse | Paris right now.. going back to SF |
| 08:00.05 | netcurse | omg quakelive is coming |
| 08:00.15 | netcurse | browser based gaming ftw =P |
| 08:00.20 | Arrowmaster | ftl |
| 08:00.27 | netcurse | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37086.html |
| 08:00.27 | Aiiane | heh |
| 08:01.12 | Arrowmaster | is it in flash too? |
| 08:01.42 | Elkano | random image... 2 chicks having fun... http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=053103a0557ztw.jpg |
| 08:01.45 | netcurse | java i think |
| 08:01.47 | netcurse | BRB! |
| 08:02.10 | Arrowmaster | ok thats better than flash atleast |
| 08:02.13 | cncfanatics | Elkano: shouldn't link crap when i'm at work :( |
| 08:02.22 | cncfanatics | no java here either heh :( |
| 08:06.10 | Zhinjio | Elkano: begone foul demons from my brain!! |
| 08:07.35 | Aiiane | arg, I want to play around with the CurseForge interface more but don't really want to have two repos with the same stuff atm >.> |
| 08:07.52 | cncfanatics | Aiiane: I have three :p |
| 08:07.56 | Aiiane | lol |
| 08:07.56 | cncfanatics | it works like a charm with git |
| 08:08.04 | Aiiane | I haven't played with git at all yet |
| 08:10.51 | charon | heh, i just talked with my friend about the stunts possible with grafts and filter-branch and he asked: does it run emacs? |
| 08:11.06 | cncfanatics | charon: rofl |
| 08:11.11 | Zhinjio | I was able to get my svn commit working, at least. |
| 08:11.18 | Zhinjio | although I can't figure out how to look at commit logs or anything like that |
| 08:11.37 | charon | with svn or git? |
| 08:12.04 | Zhinjio | svn |
| 08:12.05 | charon | '{svn,git} log' works, though for git i'd recomment gitk |
| 08:12.17 | Zhinjio | I mean, viewing on the site |
| 08:12.25 | charon | ah :) |
| 08:12.34 | Zhinjio | give me, like fish-style access to that stuff and I'm a happy guy |
| 08:12.50 | Aiiane | nothing built-in to curseforge? |
| 08:12.56 | Zhinjio | I don't know. |
| 08:12.56 | nevcairiel | Kaelten wants to add that later on |
| 08:13.03 | nevcairiel | nothing yet |
| 08:13.06 | Aiiane | ah k |
| 08:13.09 | Zhinjio | pretty much nothing is documented yet, even if it is working |
| 08:13.13 | Aiiane | heh |
| 08:13.39 | *** join/#curseforge Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 08:14.06 | Zhinjio | need more than two people who can help with keeping stuff moving though. |
| 08:14.18 | Zhinjio | anyway, it'll work when it works. |
| 08:14.21 | Aiiane | If I knew enough about it to help write documentation for it, I would... but unfortunately I don't. :P |
| 08:16.19 | *** join/#curseforge Srosh (n=Srosh@c155041.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 08:17.25 | Zhinjio | ok, I got a new profile image uplaoded at least. THats a start |
| 08:17.39 | Aiiane | hehe :) |
| 08:18.08 | Aiiane | --This is a timer frame |
| 08:18.11 | Aiiane | I like your commenting :P |
| 08:42.32 | Arrowmaster | smariot: ping |
| 08:43.01 | Arrowmaster | smariot: you might not have noticed this but you and your email address are mentioned on http://www.wowmatrix.com/contact.html |
| 08:44.09 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:44.14 | cncfanatics | if we keep this up all major addons will be gone |
| 08:44.19 | cncfanatics | which would be a good thing (tm) |
| 08:44.53 | Arrowmaster | smariot: please consider filling out that feedback forum multiple times until they remove your addon (and your email from that page) |
| 09:01.34 | Zhinjio | wakey wakey curse-type-peoples |
| 09:01.43 | Zhinjio | hep me, margaret, hep me! |
| 09:04.19 | Aiiane | :O |
| 09:18.14 | charon | halp |
| 09:18.24 | charon | php-mode thinks 5 spaces is a clever indentation default :( |
| 09:18.53 | cncfanatics | WTS tabs |
| 09:18.58 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 09:19.04 | nevcairiel | they are cheap, too |
| 09:19.06 | cncfanatics | (at least for code endenting, tabs are nice) |
| 09:19.11 | nevcairiel | one tab for the price of four spaces! |
| 09:19.18 | cncfanatics | five in this case :D |
| 09:21.15 | charon | i just found out that emacs thinks 5 spaces is k&r style |
| 09:21.19 | charon | so i have to use another style |
| 09:21.29 | charon | seriously, 5 spaces, who comes up with that kind of number |
| 09:21.40 | cncfanatics | k&r ? |
| 09:22.01 | charon | i practically need to patch my CPR (code parsing unit) for NPOT (non-power-of-two) indentation |
| 09:22.03 | charon | kernighan & ritchie of unix fame |
| 09:22.41 | nevcairiel | and i thought that 3 spaces i saw was weird |
| 09:24.30 | charon | i know! let's just come up with random prime numbers! |
| 09:24.46 | cncfanatics | 54541534874137 |
| 09:24.55 | cncfanatics | that much spaces for indentation tbh |
| 09:25.02 | nevcairiel | you sure thats a prime? |
| 09:25.05 | cncfanatics | nop |
| 09:25.09 | cncfanatics | just made something up |
| 09:25.39 | charon | it's actually 850247*64147871 |
| 09:25.47 | charon | took a while to fire up maple however |
| 09:25.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:25.59 | cncfanatics | are those 2 numbers prime ? |
| 09:26.57 | charon | well ifactor() told me that's the factorization of what you gave me |
| 09:27.07 | charon | IOW, yes |
| 09:27.40 | charon | "Description: ifactor returns the complete integer factorization of n." |
| 09:27.59 | cncfanatics | lets switch randomly between those two factos for indentation |
| 09:28.11 | cncfanatics | s/os/ors/ |
| 09:28.18 | cncfanatics | god damnit dam |
| 09:28.27 | nevcairiel | thorse! |
| 09:28.59 | nevcairiel | mm i need to setup another linux box today, and i'm not really motivated |
| 09:29.21 | nevcairiel | considering that the box is still sitting here split in parts |
| 09:29.40 | cncfanatics | its not that much work really |
| 09:29.53 | cncfanatics | lots of downloading -.- (at least on my network speed) |
| 09:30.38 | nevcairiel | i'm also installing gentoo, so thats even more downloading |
| 09:31.35 | nevcairiel | but i'm too lazy to assemble the box first |
| 09:31.42 | nevcairiel | the mobo was fried |
| 09:31.45 | nevcairiel | so i orderd a new one |
| 09:32.31 | cncfanatics | gentoo |
| 09:32.31 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 09:32.35 | cncfanatics | why not go for archlinux ? |
| 09:32.42 | cncfanatics | gentoo without the compiling for i686 :p |
| 09:33.07 | nevcairiel | because i prefer gentoos packaging system |
| 09:33.14 | cncfanatics | mmm, true |
| 09:33.38 | nevcairiel | its not like i have to compile kde or so |
| 09:33.43 | nevcairiel | its just a web server for our lan party |
| 09:34.38 | cncfanatics | I might go for gentoo |
| 09:34.45 | cncfanatics | but compiling gnome sounds painful on my poor laptop |
| 09:34.58 | nevcairiel | setup distcc with some other comp (if you have one) |
| 09:35.28 | cncfanatics | none with linux unfortunatly |
| 09:52.54 | Zhinjio | I still use slackware. heh |
| 09:53.18 | Zhinjio | <-- martyr to the cause. |
| 09:53.42 | nevcairiel | didnt slackware die some long time agoß |
| 09:53.48 | nevcairiel | s/ß/?/ |
| 09:54.01 | Zhinjio | not that I know of. I stil have a subscription. |
| 09:55.02 | Zhinjio | maybe... I haven't gotten a dist CD in ... hmm, maybe awhile. |
| 09:55.14 | Zhinjio | although I think it was because my CC expired and switched years |
| 09:57.59 | Zhinjio | 5/2/08 - latest release. |
| 09:58.00 | Zhinjio | so no |
| 11:54.50 | *** join/#curseforge profalber1 (n=profalbe@80-123-9-94.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 11:57.28 | *** join/#curseforge kagaro (n=kagaro@cpe-065-190-128-061.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 12:17.31 | *** join/#curseforge Chompers (n=Chompers@cpc1-cove9-0-0-cust541.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:18.19 | charon | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/398-questhelper/ |
| 12:18.20 | charon | invalid |
| 12:22.32 | EvilJohn | well the use hsould install it manually to see if hte problem is resolved or continues, first |
| 12:22.42 | EvilJohn | it's POSSIBLE the client munges the addon install |
| 12:22.56 | EvilJohn | so user problems with mods shouldn't be rejected out of hand without some investigation |
| 12:23.32 | EvilJohn | anyway, I'm off to work, I tried to pitch in on a few tickets, toodles! |
| 12:28.17 | *** part/#curseforge kagaro (n=kagaro@cpe-065-190-128-061.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 12:40.44 | *** join/#curseforge Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 12:51.06 | Zhinjio | G'morning Antiarc |
| 12:51.07 | *** join/#curseforge Luthorhuss (n=chatzill@0x50a58153.svgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 12:51.11 | Antiarc | mornign |
| 12:51.22 | Luthorhuss | morning! |
| 13:02.38 | *** join/#curseforge EvilJohn- (n=eviljohn@67.110.71.2.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 13:05.57 | *** join/#curseforge Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 13:07.40 | *** join/#curseforge pewpewarrows (n=pewpewar@h-67-100-240-252.mclnva23.covad.net) |
| 13:18.40 | *** part/#curseforge profalber1 (n=profalbe@80-123-9-94.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 13:28.04 | *** join/#curseforge ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 13:28.04 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 13:29.04 | ckknight | waves |
| 13:29.17 | EvilJohn- | waves |
| 13:29.36 | *** join/#curseforge cncfanatics (i=c1201e48@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9f598464ca2bf1e8) |
| 13:37.16 | Zhinjio | G'morning, ck |
| 13:37.38 | Zhinjio | I think I'm doing something wrong on CF. I was able to do my svn commit last night |
| 13:37.47 | Zhinjio | I tagged the version "6.51 bugfix release" |
| 13:37.58 | Zhinjio | but I don't know how to get it to build a new package |
| 13:38.09 | Zhinjio | perhaps you can provide some guidance |
| 13:39.16 | ckknight | lemme see if the packager's running |
| 13:40.46 | Pneumatus | ive not had a zip today after an svn commit either |
| 13:41.25 | Pneumatus | i just need to decide if i should strip out all the old DKP_System rubbish now, as I've not found an update for that addon since BC was released |
| 13:48.10 | ckknight | I'm fixing the packager now, btw |
| 13:49.29 | Zhinjio | thank you. |
| 13:49.47 | Zhinjio | had I done something wrong, or is that the general procedure for pushing a release? |
| 13:50.29 | cncfanatics | Zhinjio: you didn't do anything wrong |
| 13:50.31 | cncfanatics | someone did though |
| 13:50.35 | cncfanatics | and broke the packager :p |
| 13:51.05 | ckknight | that was me |
| 13:51.22 | ckknight | I did a lot of hacking on it yesterday |
| 13:51.25 | ckknight | a weird condition got in |
| 13:51.45 | cncfanatics | what one ? :o |
| 13:52.09 | Zhinjio | ok, just wanted to make sure I understood the process correctly |
| 13:52.35 | ckknight | okay, all done |
| 13:52.39 | ckknight | packager's working again |
| 13:53.28 | Zhinjio | do I need to do anything new, or just wait until it catches my tag and does its thang? |
| 13:53.56 | cncfanatics | shld catch it on its own |
| 13:54.02 | Zhinjio | k |
| 13:54.07 | ckknight | basically, just make the tag and at :00, :20, or :40, it'll check the tags and make a zip |
| 13:54.11 | Zhinjio | will be patient while he plays with graphics |
| 13:54.31 | cncfanatics | anyone has something to do for meh ? |
| 13:54.33 | cncfanatics | I'm bored at work |
| 13:55.10 | Zhinjio | ok, so 10 minutes to the next check. I can wait. |
| 13:55.22 | ckknight | what project was yours? |
| 13:56.15 | ckknight | Zhinjio? |
| 13:56.56 | Zhinjio | Suicide Kings Geo |
| 13:57.02 | Zhinjio | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/suicide-kings-geo/ |
| 13:57.22 | ckknight | k |
| 13:58.09 | cncfanatics | Zhinjio: its nice to talk about the old version and all |
| 13:58.13 | cncfanatics | but it doesn't say what it does :s |
| 13:58.48 | Zhinjio | I just moved "shell" data over when it moved to CF |
| 13:59.00 | Zhinjio | once I verify everything is packaging properly, I'll fix that. |
| 13:59.48 | ckknight | okay, it can't see any new tags for some reason |
| 14:06.03 | ckknight | Zhinjio: what'd you name your tag? |
| 14:06.30 | Zhinjio | I believe it was 6.51 Bugfix Release |
| 14:06.39 | Zhinjio | if not, very close to that. |
| 14:08.11 | ckknight | I think it's taking that to be a beta instead of a release |
| 14:08.13 | ckknight | and thus not packaging |
| 14:08.15 | ckknight | for some reason |
| 14:08.29 | Zhinjio | I thought it was looking for the word "release" in the tag |
| 14:08.42 | Zhinjio | perhaps I misinterpreted what you guys said |
| 14:08.52 | Pneumatus | ive dropped a ticket about a beta/release mixup in subscription emails as well :) |
| 14:09.25 | ckknight | Zhinjio: I'm trying to figure it out now |
| 14:09.40 | Zhinjio | no worries, take your time. |
| 14:09.41 | ckknight | oh, durr |
| 14:09.47 | ckknight | cause I use re.match instead of re.search |
| 14:09.58 | Zhinjio | if I did something wrong or need to resubmit, please let m eknow. |
| 14:13.02 | *** join/#curseforge Chryso (n=dtc@92.80.126.150) |
| 14:18.17 | *** join/#curseforge Kaelten (n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 14:18.17 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 14:19.42 | Pneumatus | does the packager notice a change in externals and build a new file, or do you have to change externals then commit to force it? |
| 14:20.36 | Zhinjio | oh yeah, I had a question about externals too. I think I set them up on the webpage correctly, but does there also need to be an svn:externals property, or is that handled for me now? |
| 14:22.52 | Pneumatus | i've personally set them on the svn as well so i can test with the latest externals (which the packager will pull) before i commit |
| 14:23.19 | Pneumatus | which means i need to svn up before i can commit :) |
| 14:23.34 | Zhinjio | well, what tells the packager what to pull? The thing I put on the webpage, or an svn:externals property? |
| 14:23.46 | Zhinjio | thats my question |
| 14:23.54 | Pneumatus | from my experneice, svn:external doesnt affect the packager |
| 14:23.55 | Zhinjio | if its the svn property, then I need to do that. |
| 14:23.59 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 14:24.06 | Zhinjio | so its not meaningful anymore then |
| 14:24.33 | Pneumatus | before i set the externals text box on the site and only had svn externals set through the properties the libs werent pulled into the zip |
| 14:24.51 | Pneumatus | which i think answers the question :) |
| 14:24.52 | Zhinjio | perfect, that answers my question |
| 14:30.04 | *** join/#curseforge Hjalte (n=Hjalte@0x50a58153.svgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 14:36.42 | Zhinjio | ck, should I resubmit the tag or are you still working on something in there? |
| 14:43.33 | *** join/#curseforge kagaro (n=kagaro@cpe-065-190-128-061.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 14:46.33 | EvilJohn- | kolie |
| 14:46.37 | EvilJohn- | you here? |
| 14:46.41 | kolie | Yes |
| 14:46.51 | kolie | did I walltext you to death? |
| 14:46.55 | EvilJohn- | not at all |
| 14:47.00 | EvilJohn- | it's a fine explaniation |
| 14:47.01 | kolie | :) |
| 14:47.07 | kolie | I understand your concerns :) |
| 14:47.15 | kolie | Im just describing in detail the issues at hand. |
| 14:47.24 | EvilJohn- | it's great information |
| 14:47.36 | kolie | Yea I'm trying to make it more clear. |
| 14:47.56 | EvilJohn- | and i had I known all that, i wouldn't have posted that, but the user's first exposure to the way it works is "all my new addons are overwritten by old addons" |
| 14:48.06 | kolie | Yea. |
| 14:48.12 | EvilJohn- | while that's terribly unfair |
| 14:48.14 | kolie | Well potentially old ones. |
| 14:48.42 | kolie | The alternate is "It doesnt list any of my addons!!" |
| 14:48.47 | EvilJohn- | i think there's just needs to be some indication "I'm about to overwrite these addosn with ones from the curse database. I fyou don't want htis say no now" |
| 14:48.50 | kolie | Neither is great hehehe |
| 14:48.54 | EvilJohn- | no, either is good |
| 14:48.57 | *** join/#curseforge wuh (n=wuh@ti0022a380-0414.bb.online.no) |
| 14:48.58 | EvilJohn- | neither |
| 14:49.09 | EvilJohn- | I think it's an issue of informed consent |
| 14:49.25 | EvilJohn- | my personal bias against "pack mods" is probably coloring the issue some. |
| 14:49.36 | EvilJohn- | anyway, that's all I had to say about it. hope i was of some help. |
| 14:49.54 | kolie | Yea I think they are arse too. |
| 14:50.27 | EvilJohn- | and like I said, I think this is a transitional issue (but still a big one). |
| 14:50.52 | EvilJohn- | once WAU goes away the problem won't be as big. |
| 14:51.28 | EvilJohn- | so I think the issue can be explained by some more dialogs early in hte process |
| 14:51.45 | EvilJohn- | with a little "Don't show again." check box at the bottom. |
| 14:53.00 | EvilJohn- | There is some good info these tickets, is there a user level twiki for people to view? Some of this should be extracted into a wiki format. |
| 14:53.16 | *** join/#curseforge AckisWork (i=8ee5572b@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 14:53.24 | Zhinjio | G'morning, Ackis |
| 14:53.25 | ckknight | WAR's API is definitely odd |
| 14:53.28 | Zhinjio | guess what I'm working on. |
| 14:53.54 | EvilJohn- | well it's 10 am here, so I'm going guess "A mojito". |
| 14:54.05 | Zhinjio | ooo, now that would be great. |
| 14:54.10 | Zhinjio | unfortunately not correct though. |
| 14:54.14 | Zhinjio | ARL graphics |
| 14:54.19 | kolie | we have a kind of twiki, but only project users can edit the pages :) |
| 14:54.43 | EvilJohn- | not really user facing, then |
| 14:54.49 | Zhinjio | AckisWork: ping |
| 14:55.05 | EvilJohn- | I'd be more than happy to extract some of these tickets for a user facing twiki if there was place for it |
| 14:55.06 | AckisWork | heya Zhinjio |
| 14:55.11 | AckisWork | was just logging in heh |
| 14:55.11 | EvilJohn- | maybe Kaelten can help with that |
| 14:55.20 | Zhinjio | working on ARL graphics atm |
| 14:55.25 | Zhinjio | question for you though... |
| 14:55.31 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 14:55.33 | AckisWork | ohhh sexy :D |
| 14:55.44 | Zhinjio | poison making, herbalism, mining, skinning, lockpicking, riding, and fishing |
| 14:55.54 | Zhinjio | are any of those currently handled by ARL? |
| 14:56.06 | kolie | EvilJohn whats your curseid |
| 14:56.09 | EvilJohn- | Kaelten: I was asking about a user facing twiki for the new curse beta updater, about how it works, and what that means to the user |
| 14:56.11 | EvilJohn- | EvilJohn |
| 14:56.12 | Zhinjio | I don't want to waste time making buttons for things that aren't in there |
| 14:56.14 | AckisWork | poison and mining (smelting) |
| 14:56.21 | AckisWork | the rest don't have anything to learn |
| 14:56.22 | Zhinjio | ah smelting, ok. |
| 14:56.25 | Zhinjio | right |
| 14:56.34 | Kaelten | EvilJohn: there is a light weight wiki section inside the project. I'll be fleshing it out more as time goes on. |
| 14:56.38 | Kaelten | have other higher priorities atm |
| 14:56.41 | EvilJohn- | ok |
| 14:56.46 | EvilJohn- | light weight is fine |
| 14:56.49 | kolie | BUT you can edit the pages on the curse client beta and add your own now :) |
| 14:56.50 | Kaelten | but he's going to add you so you can work on it. |
| 14:56.53 | EvilJohn- | I see that |
| 14:56.56 | *** join/#curseforge Vangual (n=bah@84-73-127-44.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 14:57.05 | EvilJohn- | I'll put some work into it, try to get a FAQ kidna thing going |
| 14:57.09 | EvilJohn- | it's the least I can do |
| 14:57.13 | kolie | Awsome! |
| 14:57.33 | EvilJohn- | raid season is winding down anyway |
| 14:59.07 | EvilJohn- | looks like i have access now, thanks |
| 15:06.10 | *** join/#curseforge charon_ (n=thomas@cx-public-docking-1-043.ethz.ch) |
| 15:11.51 | Kaelten | cool, now I just need someone to turn the chat logs into a QA format |
| 15:21.12 | *** join/#curseforge AckisWork (i=8ee5572b@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 15:22.46 | Zhinjio | ck? I'm gonna catch some sleep. is there anything I should test out or just wait for you to fix your script? |
| 15:23.48 | Zhinjio | catch y'all later. |
| 15:56.52 | ckknight | alright, I'm back |
| 15:57.06 | ckknight | and I've come with news: |
| 15:57.08 | ckknight | WAR's API is weird. |
| 16:01.51 | Aiiane | lol |
| 16:02.05 | Aiiane | deja vu, ckknight :P |
| 16:02.15 | ckknight | ? |
| 16:02.58 | *** join/#curseforge Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.208.204) |
| 16:03.00 | Aiiane | [07:51] ckknight: WAR's API is definitely odd |
| 16:03.04 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:04.54 | *** join/#curseforge cncfanatics (n=Diego@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 16:05.39 | Chryso | they released the API ? |
| 16:05.54 | ckknight | no, but a good for k, v in pairs(_G) is always fun. |
| 16:06.09 | Chryso | except when it go recursive |
| 16:06.26 | Chryso | WAR is pretty clean imo ^^ |
| 16:06.34 | Chryso | except for communication :( |
| 16:07.33 | ckknight | okay, fixed the tag thing with skg |
| 16:15.18 | ckknight | okay, I'm gonna turn off the packager for a little while (could be a few hours) in order to test the externals-as-metadata thing. I'm turning it off because it'll overwrite your externals thing in the database, thus destroying some work potentially |
| 16:22.27 | *** part/#curseforge Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.208.204) |
| 16:23.10 | *** join/#curseforge Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.208.204) |
| 16:29.20 | kolie | oh sheeeit |
| 16:32.06 | ckknight | ? |
| 16:32.14 | kolie | New client coming out |
| 16:32.29 | ckknight | curse client? |
| 16:32.33 | kolie | yes |
| 16:32.36 | ckknight | k |
| 16:33.39 | kolie | Find an addon is back in. |
| 16:33.55 | kolie | ahh crap |
| 16:41.36 | *** join/#curseforge ZealotOnAStick (n=zoas@adsl-074-239-065-141.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:41.42 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ZealotOnAStick] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.10 | *** join/#curseforge sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.45) |
| 16:46.57 | *** join/#curseforge shingo (n=shingo@p5B055A40.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:58.18 | *** join/#curseforge shingo3 (n=shingo@p5B0550A2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:09.18 | *** join/#curseforge Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 17:11.40 | *** join/#curseforge Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 17:11.51 | Dashkal | mwrarf |
| 17:13.58 | Dashkal | *blinks* they did it, they actually did it. A motorbike |
| 17:14.35 | AckisWork | sup Dashkal |
| 17:14.50 | Dashkal | not terribly much. settling into work |
| 17:15.03 | Dashkal | quick browse of the new model stuff |
| 17:16.37 | AckisWork | i just ahd a nap at work, everyone is laughing at me :( |
| 17:16.38 | *** join/#curseforge charon (n=thomas@84-75-148-145.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:19.20 | Aiiane | patpats AckisWork |
| 17:20.17 | AckisWork | heh |
| 17:28.33 | Vangual | be happy they didn't paint you full with funny tattos |
| 17:29.14 | AckisWork | I woke up once with make-up on when sleeping over at a friends house |
| 17:29.25 | pastamancer | was your butt sore too? |
| 17:29.40 | AckisWork | right now it is but that's because I have a hemeroid |
| 17:30.13 | Dashkal | thank you so much for that, ackis |
| 17:30.20 | AckisWork | yw |
| 17:30.22 | AckisWork | :) |
| 17:30.28 | Dashkal | ooo, mounts and non-combat pets are turning into spells. no more wasted bank space |
| 17:30.36 | Vangual | yea, awesome |
| 17:30.47 | Dashkal | That just suddenly freed me up a good 16 slots |
| 17:30.48 | pastamancer | I have a bag 'o pets that I just can't leave in the bank |
| 17:31.24 | Dashkal | though with all my mounts and vanity pets on me... I may have to make a short addon for the castrandom macros I want :p |
| 17:31.34 | AckisWork | omg really? |
| 17:31.37 | AckisWork | OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG |
| 17:31.43 | Vangual | yus really |
| 17:31.43 | AckisWork | I now have 40 extra bank slots |
| 17:32.05 | Dashkal | ooo, a real collector here :p |
| 17:32.18 | *** join/#curseforge sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 17:32.25 | Dashkal | I'm totally going to go buy up all the vendor pets after this... |
| 17:32.30 | AckisWork | http://www.warcraftpets.com/account/profile.asp?user=ackis |
| 17:32.39 | Pneumatus | i have had to limit myself to carrying 8 pets/mounts at a time :< |
| 17:32.45 | Vangual | on the less bright side, my collector habit now forces me to actually spend some hundred of gold on all the exalted mounts :( |
| 17:32.59 | Aiiane | omg... there's a site for that? |
| 17:33.07 | Aiiane | why did noone tell me :D |
| 17:33.20 | pastamancer | my thoughts exactly |
| 17:33.41 | Dashkal | ouch, yeah, I might have to get the damn hypogriph now... |
| 17:33.52 | AckisWork | Vangual: ditto, time to get one of each mount now opposed to one of each type |
| 17:34.10 | Aiiane | already have a hippogryph >.> |
| 17:34.42 | Aiiane | http://aiiane.net/images/aven_gryph.jpg :D |
| 17:35.02 | Dashkal | I've had the cash for some time, but I just never wanted to spend a bag space on a mount when I have epic FF |
| 17:35.12 | Dashkal | nevermind the cash, I ration in terms of bag slots |
| 17:35.32 | Aiiane | I'm a warlock, I stopped trying to keep free bag slots ages ago >.> |
| 17:36.09 | Pneumatus | has there been any rumor about a profession/shard/ammo bag slot being added? |
| 17:36.09 | Dashkal | heh |
| 17:36.17 | Pneumatus | im sure i heard something ages ago.. |
| 17:36.25 | AckisWork | I wonder if hte murloc suit/etc will be spells as well |
| 17:36.26 | Dashkal | Pneumatus: I haven't heard that one myself, no |
| 17:36.50 | Pneumatus | im still not entirely sure why I carry around a 28 slot herb bag all the time tho... |
| 17:37.43 | Dashkal | heh, I never did get any prof bags for my main |
| 17:37.49 | Dashkal | should really nab a mining bag at some point |
| 17:38.09 | pastamancer | I need to get mining/herb/enchanting bags for my bank alt |
| 17:38.39 | Aiiane | I have 1 of each profession bag for bank |
| 17:38.42 | Aiiane | but I don't carry them |
| 17:39.06 | Pneumatus | i just have 4 guild bank tabs :> |
| 17:39.12 | Aiiane | :P |
| 17:39.34 | Aiiane | So far just a bank alt has served me fine, especially now that same-account item mail is instant |
| 17:39.40 | Aiiane | and it's cheaper ;) |
| 17:40.32 | Pneumatus | well, all of my levelling alts are sat in my guild with the bank so i can share crafting mats around etc |
| 17:40.56 | Aiiane | I just mail things to bank, then as alts need them mail them back out |
| 17:41.30 | Dashkal | I mail most things to my bank guild, greens to the chanter alt... damn, I'm going to have to level her so she can d/e WotLK greens and blues |
| 17:41.59 | Aiiane | my main's an enchanter, so she gets the green mail |
| 17:42.13 | Dashkal | Druid, protector of nature, thrower of dynamite |
| 17:42.18 | Aiiane | :P |
| 17:42.33 | Dashkal | Sadly engineering kinda sucked in TBC. Hopefully it won't in WotLK |
| 17:42.42 | Aiiane | except for the helms |
| 17:42.45 | Aiiane | and the mote extractor |
| 17:42.49 | Dashkal | Keeping a prof for one piece of (damn good) gear didn't please me |
| 17:43.36 | Dashkal | I'm sad with my server. Maelstrom still hasn't had any engi tier 2 help recipies hit the AH that I've noticed |
| 17:43.48 | Pneumatus | my 70s have all of the professions between them, but i' either gonna have to drop mining on my druid for inscriptions or level a DK with inscriptions |
| 17:43.52 | AckisWork | Dashkal: where did you find this news? |
| 17:43.59 | Pneumatus | cant decide if i should make a DK with blacksmithing tho |
| 17:44.05 | Aiiane | I don't think we've even had any *drop* Dashkal, at least hordeside on my server |
| 17:44.08 | Dashkal | AckisWork: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202535862&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 17:44.24 | Dashkal | I know my battlegroup has dropped them. I can link em, but meh |
| 17:44.32 | Aiiane | battlegroup sure |
| 17:44.48 | Dashkal | I'm going to be one of the billion DK inscriptionists |
| 17:44.57 | AckisWork | Dashkal: ty :D is that worlk or normal? |
| 17:45.28 | Aiiane | im going to be one of the people powering through enchanting right off the bat to hopefully get a fairly nice temporarily monopoly on something or other |
| 17:45.30 | NeoTron | Dashkal: lolol |
| 17:45.44 | NeoTron | I wonder if inscription will be profitable in the way JC is |
| 17:46.07 | Dashkal | less so. You don't constantly need new inscriptions the way you do gems |
| 17:46.46 | Dashkal | I'm expecting it's 'personal bonus' to be unique in the way chanting is |
| 17:46.48 | Aiiane | and there will be a billion people making the paper for enchanters |
| 17:47.04 | Dashkal | that market is going to be dirt at first, but it'll settle a few months in |
| 17:48.45 | *** join/#curseforge MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 17:49.15 | Dashkal | ooo, someone brought up the question of the engi flying mount |
| 17:49.23 | Dashkal | since you upgrade your first one for the turbo |
| 17:50.48 | NeoTron | well |
| 17:50.52 | NeoTron | inscription makes scrolls |
| 17:51.10 | NeoTron | and everyone loves scrolls especially since they now will stack with other stuff |
| 17:51.22 | NeoTron | afaik you can use scroll of int + arcane intellect at the same time in wotlk |
| 17:51.27 | NeoTron | not to mention strength and agility scrolls |
| 17:51.48 | Dashkal | mmm, forgot about the 'paper pots' |
| 17:51.52 | Dashkal | good point there |
| 17:56.01 | Pneumatus | inscriptions is gonna be the least long-term profitable than any other crafting, unless there is a call to 'change' the inscriptions you have on your spells for certain encounters etc |
| 17:57.26 | Pneumatus | im not sure how you're ever going to see the likes of epic inscriptions when your basing the profession on herbalism either |
| 18:03.25 | *** join/#curseforge wuh (n=wuh@ti0022a380-0414.bb.online.no) |
| 18:06.30 | Dashkal | erm? Nah, just have some very exotic ingredients for the epic ink you need for the top tier of stuff |
| 18:07.17 | Tenchworks | probally gonna drive up the costs of lotus's with epic inscriptions |
| 18:09.28 | NeoTron | aren't some inscriptions going to be temporary? |
| 18:09.41 | NeoTron | like longer than a buff but not indefinite (the "weaker" inscriptions) |
| 18:15.19 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I hadn't heard that. Will have to investigate |
| 18:15.40 | NeoTron | I am not sure though |
| 18:15.46 | NeoTron | just recall hearing/seeing something about it |
| 18:20.35 | *** join/#curseforge Kolie (n=kraft@adsl-070-154-141-174.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:20.35 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o Kolie] by ChanServ |
| 18:22.11 | ckknight | okay, I finally disabled the packager, it wasn't actually disabled before |
| 18:28.16 | Aiiane | o.o |
| 18:34.00 | Kolie | yay for the addon list. yay for NOT auto installing updates :) |
| 18:43.07 | wuh | Useful or useless mod? http://www.keyloggers.cn/BGInfo.png |
| 18:43.14 | wuh | And its not a keylogger |
| 18:43.20 | AckisWork | keylogger |
| 18:43.22 | wuh | lol |
| 18:43.24 | nevcairiel | keylogger! |
| 18:43.26 | wuh | :[ |
| 18:43.43 | wuh | How did you know :( |
| 18:43.54 | wuh | *Tries to think of more clever ways to distribute trojans* |
| 18:44.07 | Aiiane | lol |
| 18:44.08 | wuh | No, but really, is it worth releasing something simple as that? |
| 18:44.18 | Aiiane | (and <3 @ the domain) |
| 18:44.43 | Pneumatus | if you find it useful, someone else may do |
| 18:44.52 | Pneumatus | but its not doing anything several addons dont do already |
| 18:45.17 | wuh | Are there any specifically only doing that or? |
| 18:45.29 | Pneumatus | mind you, they may not be able to report to say/guild/bg |
| 18:45.35 | wuh | I want it to be very lightweight for only that reason |
| 18:45.36 | Pneumatus | HonorFuPlus has win/loss counters at least |
| 18:46.07 | wuh | True, I didnt add any check for that yet, and its not a perfect ui, I've only just done UI things today |
| 18:46.12 | Pneumatus | HonorFuPlus tracks kills/deaths/hk honor/bonus honor/bg marks/wins/losses/bonus honor weekends |
| 18:46.41 | Pneumatus | so basically a few more BG-related things than yours does, without the reporting to chat channels option |
| 18:46.52 | wuh | I would rather want checkboxes where you can check where it should say it, and then be able to only link one type of BG etc. |
| 18:47.02 | wuh | (which you can through /bginfo commands, but not through UI) |
| 18:47.26 | Pneumatus | but there are loads of addons that do essentially the same things for all kinds of stuff, so i wouldnt worry about that :) |
| 18:48.06 | wuh | Ah well, I like it, pretty much made it so I can check the % wins I have in battlegrounds since I'm a pvper :) |
| 18:48.22 | wuh | And also tell friends :] |
| 18:48.24 | Pneumatus | as for releasing it, if you find it useful others may do as well |
| 18:53.34 | wuh | Thanks :) We'll see! |
| 18:53.56 | wuh | I bet the .xml could be done better since its the first day ive done UI things, but I didnt find too much info about it |
| 18:55.38 | Dashkal | Kolie: who was responsible for clause 7 in the curse EULA? |
| 18:55.43 | Dashkal | curse client |
| 19:01.46 | Kolie | The curse EULA is largely out of date and is only a placeholder in the beta. |
| 19:02.02 | Kolie | AS you can see at the bottom it talks about it applying only in swedish courts etc... |
| 19:02.09 | Kolie | Expect a new one :) |
| 19:02.17 | Dashkal | Clause 7 has better go bye bye |
| 19:02.28 | Dashkal | "Without my consent"? |
| 19:03.05 | Kolie | It basically says the client auto updates, signing the EULA gives us the consent to auto update. |
| 19:03.14 | Dashkal | Not going to happen |
| 19:03.17 | Chryso | Mmm, weird question, but does lua function and stuff works like in C where you need to either declare or prototype the methods before they can be used ? |
| 19:03.24 | Pneumatus | it auto-updates without any interaction? |
| 19:03.49 | Dashkal | And this is why I refuse to run closed source updaters. Right there |
| 19:03.51 | Kolie | At run time it checks for new versions, and can and will auto update itself. There is a cancel button that is shown briefly if you are at your computer. |
| 19:04.05 | Pneumatus | thats kinda begging for malicions/broken code to be run |
| 19:04.21 | Dashkal | bingo. One security failure on your site and suddenly every single user is keylogged |
| 19:04.28 | Kolie | No, actually. |
| 19:04.50 | Kolie | embed a signed key in the client, a secure key is then used to sign updates, if the update doesnt match, drop it. |
| 19:05.05 | Kolie | Only the people with the key could sign updates. |
| 19:05.22 | Pneumatus | if curse is compromised how could users be assured the key isnt |
| 19:05.27 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 19:05.44 | Kolie | The original exe would have to be not comprimised, its embedded in there, if you downloaded a bad exe to begin with is the only way to have it screw up. |
| 19:05.56 | NeoTron | Dashkal: so I understand the concern but today, when you run JWU/WAU/Whatever to autoupdate addons do yuou always check the code of newly updated addons? |
| 19:06.13 | NeoTron | or wait |
| 19:06.15 | Kolie | This has to do with the exe |
| 19:06.17 | Kolie | not the addons. |
| 19:06.21 | NeoTron | you mean the curse client aauto updates itself/ |
| 19:06.29 | Kolie | Yes it does. |
| 19:06.32 | NeoTron | my JWU and WAU does that too |
| 19:06.34 | Pneumatus | i don't update if it's not broken. |
| 19:06.59 | NeoTron | so I change my comment to do you check the source of wau/jwu every time they are updated? |
| 19:07.22 | Dashkal | Your question implies that that is required |
| 19:07.26 | Kolie | I also release WAU publishes :) |
| 19:07.28 | Aiiane | Kolie |
| 19:07.40 | Aiiane | There should still be an option to toggle off auto updates and prompt first. |
| 19:07.54 | Aiiane | Have it toggled on by default, but the user should be able to turn it off. |
| 19:07.59 | Pneumatus | just have an option that you can chose to auto-update blindly, or just inform of an update |
| 19:08.01 | NeoTron | that is proper |
| 19:08.23 | Aiiane | Trust me, I want to support your efforts to make the new client great all I can |
| 19:08.33 | Aiiane | but that is simply a HUGE roadblock if you don't. |
| 19:08.44 | Aiiane | especially PR-wise. |
| 19:08.57 | Pneumatus | im sure i'm not alone knowing i wouldn't touch a client that blindly updates without any option of disabling it |
| 19:09.12 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 19:09.47 | Dashkal | I'm not going to hand-audit every patch, but I want that option |
| 19:10.08 | NeoTron | it's solely a PR issue |
| 19:10.38 | NeoTron | since typically very few, or no one, who complains about auto updating would actually bother checking that what they update is sane once they do it manually |
| 19:11.21 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I don't need to check it... I just need to delay patching long enough so if shit does hit the fan I can avoid the patch |
| 19:11.22 | Pneumatus | it would only take a news item on mmo-champ or the suchlike saying the curse client may auto-download malicious code for execution to kill all faith in it |
| 19:14.32 | Kolie | fix will be out in an hour |
| 19:16.01 | NeoTron | Kolie: the curse updated will automatically handle disembedded dependencies right? |
| 19:16.12 | ZealotOnAStick | latest round of client testing is #2 in my queue right now, I'm working on #1. Starting on CF blacklist and VCS commit stuff is #3. |
| 19:16.15 | Kolie | Both will be supported yes. |
| 19:16.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Can you do something about making it remember what it's downloaded for dependencies say "today |
| 19:16.56 | Kolie | What? |
| 19:17.02 | ZealotOnAStick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.16 | Kolie | It doesnt redownload deps if they are already installed |
| 19:17.20 | Aiiane | well... that really depends on the packaging |
| 19:17.35 | Dashkal | meh, please please please please get the feeds up for premium users as soon as you can |
| 19:17.50 | ZealotOnAStick | Unless it's changed in the last couple of days, I can show you it re-downloading deps multiple times easily by downloading a few things with the same deps from aceaddons.curse.com |
| 19:17.52 | Aiiane | i.e. if it's set to embedded libs, then the packages are going to have the libs regardless |
| 19:18.01 | Aiiane | since they come as a single zip |
| 19:18.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Aiiane: not what I'm referring to at all. |
| 19:18.15 | Aiiane | k, ZealotOnAStick |
| 19:18.44 | Aiiane | I get what you're referring to then, if it's not embed v disembed |
| 19:18.53 | Aiiane | just wasnt sure which problem you were talking about :) |
| 19:19.14 | ZealotOnAStick | should probably be doing it on IM with Kolie, but I saw he was active in here. |
| 19:19.40 | ZealotOnAStick | I'll try it again when I can, Kolie, before bugging you on it again. |
| 19:19.47 | ZealotOnAStick | it's . . . #7 on my list atm. |
| 19:20.05 | Kolie | The only time an addon is installed, is if 1) its not already installed 2) Its newer. |
| 19:20.53 | ZealotOnAStick | it exhibited this behaviour I speak of as recently as last night. |
| 19:21.04 | ZealotOnAStick | but I'll confirm it again, as I said above, before I bug you again on it. |
| 19:21.30 | Kolie | ZealotOnAStick: The fact that dependencies are even handle is coincendental, we will not be using that implementation for dependency handling. |
| 19:22.10 | Kolie | And im pretty sure if Ace2 is installed as a dep, it wont reinstall ace 2. |
| 19:23.12 | ZealotOnAStick | Easiest thing to get it to show it as is any Fubar plugin. It kept re-installing Fubar. :/ |
| 19:27.54 | sylvanaar | man the little details of updaters will kill you |
| 19:31.55 | Dashkal | ckknight: I was noticing that bizarre carto2/3 interaction again last night |
| 19:32.03 | ckknight | k? |
| 19:32.41 | Dashkal | Is this something I should dig into enough to give proper details or should I just switch my worldmap to mapster and forget it? |
| 19:33.48 | ckknight | dig, man, dig! |
| 19:33.55 | ckknight | but I'll be working on cf for a while yet |
| 19:33.58 | ckknight | so I can't work on it now |
| 19:34.03 | ckknight | but tickets are appreciated |
| 19:34.25 | Dashkal | lol, alright. It'll give me something more interesting than a set of dailies. I just didn't know for how long you were willing to support my admittedly strange setup |
| 19:36.52 | ckknight | I'll support it |
| 19:36.59 | ckknight | but only cause I like ya |
| 19:37.13 | AckisWork | ohh... now you kiss? |
| 19:37.24 | ckknight | remember, don't let the balls touch |
| 19:37.27 | ckknight | then it's not gay |
| 19:37.38 | AckisWork | lol |
| 19:37.47 | AckisWork | keep on telling yourself that ;) |
| 19:38.03 | ZealotOnAStick | thinks people need to bother to read the damn chat logs before firing off their fingers with stupid harmful speculation. |
| 19:39.48 | ZealotOnAStick | Ackis, you see ObelixPrime's question in #wowace? |
| 19:39.59 | AckisWork | no |
| 19:45.12 | AckisWork | I responded, I should really start developing that add-on |
| 19:56.11 | Dashkal | Is there a channel where beta stuff is being discussed on topic or is derailing one of these three the only way to go? |
| 19:56.23 | ckknight | go for it, Dashkal |
| 19:56.43 | ckknight | beta stuff = wotlk stuff? |
| 19:56.48 | Dashkal | That was a curiosity. About the only things I'm curious about right at this moment will have to wait until I get my key |
| 19:57.01 | Dashkal | like, I wanna know the full DK story |
| 19:57.15 | Dashkal | Or I'd like to try out runeforging |
| 19:57.27 | Dashkal | Does it replace normal weapon enchants? |
| 19:57.33 | AckisWork | sockets? |
| 19:58.32 | Zhinjio | buh |
| 19:58.45 | AckisWork | sup Zhinjio |
| 19:59.00 | Dashkal | Unless of course someone has tested the replace the weapon chant bit for me :p |
| 19:59.14 | Dashkal | Because as nice as the runeforging chants are, I'd rather mongoose or executioner |
| 19:59.28 | AckisWork | Dashkal: are you referring to add a socket to a weapon? |
| 19:59.43 | Dashkal | AckisWork: Death knights have a class-specific profession: Runeforging |
| 19:59.56 | Dashkal | Lets them put effects (looks like permanent enchants) on their runeblades |
| 20:00.02 | AckisWork | ahh ok |
| 20:00.09 | NeoTron | ah they are visual? |
| 20:00.17 | Dashkal | I'd love to know that as well |
| 20:04.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Dashkal: I think I suggested AckisOCD |
| 20:06.22 | Kolie | Auto update toggle rleease in 1.0.3.3 ( available from the auto updater ;) ) |
| 20:06.40 | Zhinjio | looks like my tag got built. Thanks for fixing, ck |
| 20:07.48 | Zhinjio | ugh. |
| 20:07.54 | Zhinjio | the externals version only included one library |
| 20:07.58 | Zhinjio | that ain't right. |
| 20:09.44 | Zhinjio | ck or Kaelten : care to speculate on that? |
| 20:10.21 | Zhinjio | out of ... 12? libraries? only LibRockHook (the most recently added one to the list of externals) was included in the zipfile from the packager? |
| 20:12.03 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: that's it! Yep, I remember now, it was you |
| 20:12.34 | EvilJohn- | Kolie: Woot |
| 20:12.45 | EvilJohn- | Kolie: Do you have a vista client to test on? |
| 20:12.49 | Aiiane | so how do tags work now on curse? |
| 20:12.53 | Dashkal | Kolie: thank you for that |
| 20:12.56 | Kolie | They are all vista clients. |
| 20:13.05 | Aiiane | (not svn tags, but tags as displayed on curse release) |
| 20:13.14 | EvilJohn- | ok |
| 20:13.24 | Dashkal | I still prolly won't use it personally, but I won't have a problem telling my not-nearly-technical-enough guild to use it. |
| 20:13.28 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm testing mostly on Vista Business here at the office, XP Pro SP3 at home. |
| 20:13.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Kolie's got an XP install in his office here |
| 20:13.47 | Kolie | I got a vista64 and a xp home |
| 20:13.52 | Kolie | I also test on xp swedish. |
| 20:13.55 | EvilJohn- | groovy |
| 20:14.01 | ZealotOnAStick | and I'm probably going to set up VMs for . . . |
| 20:14.08 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
| 20:14.08 | ZealotOnAStick | wait, what are we officially supporting? |
| 20:14.16 | EvilJohn- | He'll need a Mac |
| 20:14.23 | ZealotOnAStick | Not a problem. |
| 20:14.25 | EvilJohn- | better get him a powerbook |
| 20:14.33 | ZealotOnAStick | This machine also has OS X on it. |
| 20:14.34 | EvilJohn- | with big nasty pointy teeth |
| 20:14.35 | Kolie | ZealotOnAStick: do asian, arabic, and swedish and youll be coverng the problems I can think of locale wise. |
| 20:14.38 | Dashkal | Kolie: did you see my comment for leads on how to get the one click install from browser working under linux? |
| 20:14.49 | ZealotOnAStick | I just need to reboot. |
| 20:14.56 | Kolie | Dashkal, I dont believe I did. |
| 20:15.05 | Dashkal | Kolie: in linux you can tell firefox how to handle protocols, but I don't know myself how it's done. It isn't an OS level call, though could potentially be done at the level of KDE or GNOME |
| 20:15.14 | ZealotOnAStick | and we've got 2 macbooks on other devs in the office, if needed. |
| 20:15.17 | Kolie | Yea, I know how to do it actually. |
| 20:15.24 | Kolie | in linux. |
| 20:15.25 | Dashkal | I'm nearly certain that KDE and GNOME both provide ways to register protocols |
| 20:15.27 | Dashkal | oh perfect |
| 20:15.33 | Dashkal | in that case, could you tell me? |
| 20:15.47 | Kolie | sec let me find the code |
| 20:15.49 | Kolie | is buried. |
| 20:16.11 | Dashkal | heh. I never had the need strong enough to be willing to slog through all those docs, but if it's handier for you, I'd love to know. |
| 20:16.15 | Dashkal | If it's a pain, nevermind :p |
| 20:16.23 | Kolie | there is a file or something i believe in desktop/gnome/application/url-handlers |
| 20:16.30 | Dashkal | oh nice |
| 20:16.36 | NeoTron | Kolie: are you Swedish or is it jus <random non-english windows>? |
| 20:16.49 | Zhinjio | ckknight: let me know if there's any additional data that you need |
| 20:16.51 | Kolie | We had a complaint from a user with swedish windows. |
| 20:16.58 | Kolie | So I installed it to debug his problem. |
| 20:17.01 | ckknight | Zhinjio: I fixed it, if you notice, skg is up |
| 20:17.05 | NeoTron | ah I see |
| 20:17.19 | NeoTron | guess I'll restrain myself from speaking swedish to you then ;-) |
| 20:17.34 | ckknight | down with Swedes! |
| 20:17.46 | Kolie | Feel free, I may reserve the right to stare blankly at you however. |
| 20:18.37 | ZealotOnAStick | zyuu broke it. |
| 20:18.47 | Zhinjio | yes, ck, I saw that. My comment a bit higher up was that the version including external only included one of the 12 externals listed on the webpage. |
| 20:18.51 | NeoTron | as a Swede... I can't stand running my OS in Swedish, or localized programs in general |
| 20:18.54 | Zhinjio | LibRockHook, which was the most recently added |
| 20:18.58 | ckknight | Zhinjio: blah! |
| 20:19.01 | Zhinjio | thanks you for fixing the earlier problem. |
| 20:19.02 | ckknight | for skg? |
| 20:19.08 | Zhinjio | I did notice, and thanked you. |
| 20:19.11 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 20:19.14 | Kolie | Neither can Ztuu. |
| 20:19.17 | Zhinjio | noext version looks gret |
| 20:19.19 | Kolie | He hates swedish windows. |
| 20:19.19 | Zhinjio | great |
| 20:19.24 | Aiiane | are tags even working on curse.com atm? or are they not actually functional |
| 20:19.28 | Aiiane | (not svn) |
| 20:19.32 | Dashkal | Far too many of us programmers only know english and can't be arsed to do proper i18n. I don't envy those who do not speak the language. |
| 20:19.42 | ckknight | Zhinjio: yea, issue is that you put it on 4 lines instead of 11 |
| 20:19.48 | ckknight | so the packager got confused |
| 20:19.57 | NeoTron | ofc I moved to the US before the Internet became an everyday thing and there are a lot of new Swedish words I simply don't know |
| 20:19.57 | ckknight | in any event, that externals specification is going away |
| 20:20.00 | NeoTron | related to it |
| 20:20.42 | Zhinjio | how should I specify my externals? And yeah, I can't see any way to actuyally tell from the text entry how many lines it is, so its very hard to see if its right or not |
| 20:21.09 | ckknight | yea, I know, one of the reasons we're changing it |
| 20:21.16 | Dashkal | ckknight: how long until you get your new arcane lil file method ready? |
| 20:21.22 | Dashkal | (To those not in on the joke, the spec file is dead simple) |
| 20:21.26 | ckknight | Dashkal: technically it's ready now, but hush hush |
| 20:21.32 | Dashkal | lol |
| 20:21.34 | ckknight | lemme give the example that skg will use |
| 20:21.48 | Dashkal | I await the document on curseforge describing exactly how the thing works |
| 20:22.36 | Zhinjio | I just fixed the externals on the webpage |
| 20:22.59 | Zhinjio | but I'll switch to whatever metehod you want me to |
| 20:23.12 | ckknight | here's how it _will_ look: http://pastey.net/92226 |
| 20:23.19 | ckknight | in a file called .pkgmeta in trunk |
| 20:23.37 | Dashkal | Any complaint I had about a new type of file is officially gone |
| 20:23.49 | ckknight | Dashkal: you had complaints? |
| 20:24.04 | ckknight | it is stupidly simple, though |
| 20:24.06 | Dashkal | um... I poked you personally about it last evening? |
| 20:24.12 | ckknight | ah yes |
| 20:24.15 | ckknight | more options may be added later |
| 20:24.21 | ckknight | and more things than externals as well |
| 20:24.39 | Dashkal | Packaging rules! Folder roots! Zip structure! |
| 20:25.18 | ckknight | this file will _not_ be included in the zip, not will any dot-file, actually |
| 20:25.21 | ckknight | nor* |
| 20:25.49 | Dashkal | I was actually expecting any file that doesn't match the commit whitelist to vanish into aether |
| 20:26.08 | Dashkal | But if I actually let my brain work that makes no sense :p |
| 20:26.11 | ckknight | it prevents you from committing things in the blacklist |
| 20:26.20 | ckknight | any dotfiles just go away altogether |
| 20:26.26 | ckknight | .svn, .git, .whatever |
| 20:26.45 | Zhinjio | and should I switch to that already, or is that still in development? |
| 20:27.01 | Zhinjio | also, will my externals change force a rebuild or do I need to delete and retag? |
| 20:27.08 | ckknight | still in development, wait till I say so |
| 20:27.15 | Zhinjio | roger dodger. |
| 20:27.17 | ckknight | you'd need to delete and retag |
| 20:27.24 | ckknight | which is another reason for the metafile |
| 20:27.26 | Zhinjio | no problem. thanks. |
| 20:27.29 | ckknight | also, versioning will be nice |
| 20:27.45 | Aiiane | so noone knows what the deal is with curse.com tags? :P |
| 20:27.53 | ckknight | oh, I do |
| 20:27.59 | Zhinjio | if I force an extra linefeed in between the externals entries, will that make problems? Just so I can visually see the linebreaks? |
| 20:28.18 | ckknight | in the metafile? |
| 20:28.26 | ckknight | no, it should effect it at all |
| 20:28.30 | Zhinjio | no, current method |
| 20:28.36 | ckknight | that should be fine as well |
| 20:29.24 | EvilJohn- | man I neeed to get home and start writing that faq, the curse beta questions are out of control |
| 20:29.45 | ckknight | I think I'm gonna write a hook to make sure that the .pkgmeta file is well-formed |
| 20:30.33 | Dashkal | AckisWork: you have a freq: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202275951&sid=1 |
| 20:31.09 | Zhinjio | and finally: how can I delete files from my archive? |
| 20:31.15 | Zhinjio | donm't see it as a project option or anything |
| 20:35.35 | *** join/#curseforge Ascali (n=chatzill@mnsr-4db16e5d.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 20:37.16 | ckknight | Zhinjio: click a file, file options-> remove |
| 20:37.46 | Zhinjio | gotcha. thanks |
| 20:37.48 | Aiiane | [13:26] Aiiane: so noone knows what the deal is with curse.com tags? :P |
| 20:37.48 | Aiiane | [13:26] ckknight: oh, I do |
| 20:37.53 | Aiiane | care to enlighten me? heh |
| 20:38.07 | Aiiane | or was that in response to something else |
| 20:38.21 | ckknight | basically, you can't set tags on curseforge currently |
| 20:38.22 | Dashkal | hmm, you're in my timezone, Aiiane. |
| 20:38.25 | ckknight | you used to be able to on curse |
| 20:38.29 | ckknight | you will be able to in the new curse |
| 20:38.30 | ckknight | but not yet |
| 20:38.33 | Aiiane | kk |
| 20:38.33 | ckknight | so we're in limbo |
| 20:38.34 | ckknight | sadly. |
| 20:39.21 | Zhinjio | I can't make a new tag? GAH! *grin* |
| 20:39.31 | ckknight | why not? |
| 20:39.50 | Zhinjio | 14:34 <@ckknight> basically, you can't set tags on curseforge currently |
| 20:40.05 | Aiiane | I think Zhinjio is having fun messing with tag vs. svntag distinctions in english speech :P |
| 20:40.14 | ckknight | oh, yea |
| 20:40.14 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 20:40.16 | Zhinjio | nm |
| 20:40.49 | Zhinjio | ok, tagged. |
| 20:40.56 | Zhinjio | lets see if the script does its magic! |
| 20:41.05 | Zhinjio | and thanks for fixing, ckk |
| 20:41.12 | ckknight | which script? |
| 20:41.14 | ckknight | the packager's down |
| 20:41.17 | ckknight | I took it down |
| 20:41.31 | Aiiane | needs more testserver, ckknight :P |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | so fix it :P |
| 20:41.36 | Aiiane | (j/k) |
| 20:41.37 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 20:41.51 | Zhinjio | needs more cowbell, ckk! |
| 20:41.53 | ckknight | nevcairiel: actually it works, it just is set to use the pkgmeta system, which isn't published yet |
| 20:42.03 | ckknight | I want to minimally have a hook to check validity |
| 20:42.12 | ckknight | once I get that done, I'll bring the packager up |
| 20:42.15 | ckknight | methinks |
| 20:42.17 | nevcairiel | (22:41:16) (Aiiane) needs more testserver, ckknight :P |
| 20:42.22 | nevcairiel | ^-- |
| 20:42.24 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 20:42.30 | ckknight | we don't have one for the repo system |
| 20:42.39 | AckisWork | Dashkal: can't respond as forum account = hit with ban stick |
| 20:42.49 | ckknight | seeing as Zhinjio is the only one affected, it's not a huge issue |
| 20:43.03 | Dashkal | AckisWork: trolled on the wrong forum? |
| 20:43.10 | nevcairiel | well i dunno how many people actually host addons on the repos yet |
| 20:43.12 | nevcairiel | so *shrug |
| 20:43.32 | AckisWork | no, posted on my second account while the other one was suspended for 3 hours because the mods on the CS forums are a bunch of cunts |
| 20:43.50 | Zhinjio | its fine. my files are up on my server, wowi and wowui |
| 20:43.56 | Zhinjio | I'm just trying to be thorough |
| 20:43.57 | Dashkal | given that they can tell when you do that, I'm amazed it's even possible |
| 20:44.14 | Dashkal | their web team appears to be pretty fail... |
| 20:47.24 | Dashkal | hates it when people set rules to block things easier blocked by code |
| 20:47.52 | Aiiane | eh |
| 20:48.09 | Aiiane | it might be easier blocked by code, but if people find a way around it, it's good to have the rule anyways |
| 20:48.20 | Aiiane | (in a general sense... I have no real stand on this particular case :P) |
| 20:48.46 | Dashkal | rule as well is fine, it's when they didn't even bother to block it |
| 20:48.50 | *** join/#curseforge netcurse (n=chatzill@adsl-99-173-10-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:49.23 | Dashkal | I was ranting this morning in #wowuidev about the no cross faction communication rule (horde saying N O and such) for the same reason |
| 20:50.22 | Aiiane | nods |
| 20:50.39 | Aiiane | would be easier to just have Orcish show up as a randomly generated set of words with apprroximately equal length |
| 20:50.43 | Aiiane | and vice versa |
| 20:50.45 | Aiiane | but oh well |
| 20:51.12 | Dashkal | well, there are good reasons for keeping it somewhat the same. That is to keep it sounding 'orcish'. But the single letter translations should be random |
| 20:51.17 | Aiiane | or at least, single/double characters do |
| 20:51.19 | Aiiane | yeah |
| 20:51.26 | Aiiane | and when I said randomly generated |
| 20:51.33 | EvilJohn- | sad that they enver implemented languages in wow |
| 20:51.36 | Aiiane | I meant random within a framework |
| 20:51.48 | EvilJohn- | would be fun to learn orcish, maybe you have to kill the faction king to do learn the language or something |
| 20:52.08 | Dashkal | eat his brains to consume his knowledge? :p |
| 20:52.14 | Dashkal | Personally, I'd go ask Jaina :p |
| 20:52.37 | EvilJohn- | well, I wouldn't necessarly resort to ritualistic canabilism, but that if that works for you.... |
| 20:52.42 | Dashkal | But there are damn good reasons to keep horde and alli from talking. PvP |
| 20:53.15 | EvilJohn- | does not being able to communicate clearly have a dampening or chilling effect on pvp? |
| 20:53.19 | AckisWork | bleh anyone know how to register for a forum when the image verification doesn't show up at all? |
| 20:54.05 | Dashkal | Consider how much CS-style bitching and ranting you'd see if the kiddy nerds could actually nerd rage to the gankers... |
| 20:54.28 | EvilJohn- | they just nerdrage to general now |
| 20:54.35 | Dashkal | AckisWork: yeah, temporarally allow JS for the site you blocked |
| 20:54.38 | EvilJohn- | though, i mostly just turn that channel off now |
| 20:55.20 | Dashkal | It's there, but I mostly ignore that window. Tells, guild, and party show up in a second window |
| 20:55.40 | AckisWork | Dashkal: the image isn't showing up at all |
| 20:56.15 | Dashkal | if you have all JS on and the image doesn't show at all, all you can do is email the forum admin |
| 20:57.28 | AckisWork | yah spent a while trying to find contact info =/ |
| 20:57.57 | Dashkal | Oh that's cute. It's a 1x1 completely transparent gif image |
| 20:58.14 | Dashkal | You be calling the admin |
| 20:58.37 | AckisWork | ok so I'm not seeing anything then |
| 20:58.39 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:58.44 | AckisWork | I thought it was loading but not showing |
| 20:59.33 | Dashkal | nah, I nabbed it with wget and poked at it |
| 20:59.50 | *** join/#curseforge ZealotOnAStick (n=zoas@adsl-074-239-065-141.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:59.56 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ZealotOnAStick] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.08 | Kody | Sending out emails now to request the additional required info by Blizzard for the first batch of keys |
| 21:10.21 | Ascali | good to know :D |
| 21:15.27 | Dashkal | beta question: does the DK 'final' quest happen instanced or will I have to deal with DKs raiding LHC while leveling alts? |
| 21:17.23 | *** join/#curseforge wuh (n=wuh@ti0022a380-0414.bb.online.no) |
| 21:19.13 | ckknight | hey charon, I didn't know you were working on Threat-3.0 |
| 21:19.30 | charon | i sort of jumped the bandwagon sometime around 2.4 patch day |
| 21:19.44 | ckknight | I frankly didn't know there was a 3.0 |
| 21:19.48 | ckknight | what's wrong with 2.0? |
| 21:19.58 | charon | the design is terrible |
| 21:20.09 | ZealotOnAStick | blinks. |
| 21:20.11 | ZealotOnAStick | How so? |
| 21:20.11 | charon | as nev once put it, with all the band-aids in threat-2.0 you can make a first-aid kit |
| 21:20.32 | charon | there are N hooks using M hook strategies (arguments, function vs plain variable) |
| 21:21.21 | charon | and the N*M possibilities don't even cover for all corner cases in the player handling module |
| 21:21.33 | charon | (though the NPC module has been rewritten to allow arbitrary event handlers) |
| 21:23.26 | *** join/#curseforge vhaarr (n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr) |
| 21:25.03 | nevcairiel | We formed a small group around Antiarc|Sleep to get some more eyes on it |
| 21:25.20 | nevcairiel | mainly charon, xinhuan and me .. and antiarc obviously :) |
| 21:25.28 | charon | ckknight, Kody: you guys are awesome |
| 21:25.33 | charon | and it's one funny coincidence ;) |
| 21:26.00 | Kody | Not really a coincidence, asked ckknight to confirm that you were indeed working on Threat-3.0 :P |
| 21:26.04 | Kody | Since Antiarc is asleep ;) |
| 21:26.22 | ckknight | I figure easiest way is to ask |
| 21:26.31 | ckknight | and hey, if you were lying, then you'd get the banhammer |
| 21:26.50 | nevcairiel | well us 4 mainly kept threat-2.0 running while antiarc was so extremly busy |
| 21:27.05 | AckisWork | was = is? |
| 21:27.21 | nevcairiel | well that too |
| 21:27.31 | *** join/#curseforge kalahassi (n=chatzill@p5B0C30F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:27.32 | nevcairiel | but anyway, we just figured we would offer our help for a rewrite |
| 21:27.36 | nevcairiel | and he agreed ;) |
| 21:28.10 | charon | thanks a lot :) |
| 21:28.15 | charon | and i think /who #omen would be a good list of more candidates *hint hint* |
| 21:30.15 | Aiiane | out of curiousity Kody, is there a ballpark number on how many keys blizz is handing out via addon sites? or have they even specified? |
| 21:32.19 | Kody | I was told there's no limit of who will be invited through us, but we need to pace it out to help them control the flow of people entering beta |
| 21:32.28 | Aiiane | nods |
| 21:32.31 | Aiiane | understandable enough |
| 21:32.54 | nevcairiel | Are beta keys different depending on region? |
| 21:33.05 | nevcairiel | Maybe i should've mentioned in my mail that it would be EU *shrug |
| 21:33.19 | Zyuu | yeah they are |
| 21:33.27 | charon | i suppose they'll figure that out soon enough when they verify your account? ;) |
| 21:33.55 | nevcairiel | whoever Kevin Van Ness is, i needz EU key |
| 21:34.22 | AckisWork | facepalms nevcairiel |
| 21:35.27 | Zyuu | thats Kody |
| 21:36.06 | wuh | Btw, just added http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/bginfo/ if anyone wants to approve :) Hopefully it works as intended :] I've tested it quite a bit at least |
| 21:36.09 | Kody | Zyuu: you sure they're different? |
| 21:37.15 | Kody | Well I'm guessing Blizzard will take care of that because the only thing I was asked to get was what I included in the email |
| 21:38.32 | ZealotOnAStick | just e-mails? |
| 21:39.01 | nevcairiel | and real names |
| 21:39.56 | Zyuu | I tried my EU key on a US account first :P |
| 21:40.00 | Zyuu | wouldnt work for me at least |
| 21:43.41 | netcurse | yo |
| 21:44.17 | Aiiane | how was your trip net?:) |
| 21:44.56 | Kolie | netcurse my buddy! |
| 21:45.04 | netcurse | good |
| 21:45.14 | NeoTron | Kolie: p |
| 21:45.18 | NeoTron | oops |
| 21:45.22 | Kolie | q? |
| 21:45.26 | NeoTron | Kody: perhaps they send emails ask asking for additional info |
| 21:45.39 | NeoTron | Kolie: tab, typo return issue on my end sorry |
| 21:46.05 | Aiiane | 3 typos for the price of one! |
| 21:46.05 | yoshimo | kody, is it possible to get a key if you are not the addon author but one of the main contributors to the addon? |
| 21:46.18 | Aiiane | yoshimo: get the author to add you as an author? |
| 21:46.40 | yoshimo | add where? |
| 21:46.54 | Aiiane | on curseforge? |
| 21:52.01 | sylvanaar | last time, bliz sent emails which sent you to a website where you entered in the info |
| 21:52.42 | sylvanaar | essentially it was just your account name that they needed |
| 21:55.37 | ckknight | well, I've done a cool thing with my .pkgmeta validation. It'll actually check if external repos exist before letting the commit pass through |
| 21:55.49 | ckknight | so if you make a typo or something is just funky, it'll yell at you |
| 21:56.45 | sylvanaar | well, thats cool - thats probably more error checking than there has ever been |
| 21:57.22 | Kolie | sylvanaar: wau behaving now? |
| 21:57.34 | sylvanaar | um |
| 21:58.25 | charon | ckknight: cool feature -- but have you considered that verifying 10+ wowace externals over SVN may take too long for users to wait for the pre-commit? maybe have the hook warn that this process might take some time, if that's possible? |
| 21:59.05 | nevcairiel | checking if the path exists in HEAD is relatively fast |
| 21:59.10 | sylvanaar | Kolie yes - seems to be |
| 21:59.13 | Kolie | yay! |
| 21:59.20 | Kolie | I put in proper regex for wowcompares. |
| 21:59.36 | ckknight | charon: it will only check if you change .pkgmeta |
| 22:00.29 | sylvanaar | i swear wowcompares changes its name every patch |
| 22:00.46 | charon | ckknight: that's what i mean, if this check engages you could 'echo Validating externals. This may take a while, please wait...' if that message makes it back to the user |
| 22:01.58 | charon | nevcairiel: 'svn ls http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Threat-2.0' takes around 1.9s here, so we're looking at 10-30s when you first set the externals |
| 22:02.01 | nevcairiel | I dont think you can echo back unless in the failed message |
| 22:02.34 | ckknight | nev appears to be right |
| 22:02.48 | ckknight | we'll see how it goes for now |
| 22:03.20 | ckknight | it checks for any syntax errors, any possible bad paths and such, and then it'll check if the repos exist |
| 22:05.57 | ckknight | oh, I'm also thinking about adding hooks to check if a lua file can compile (no syntax errors, you damn foreigners) |
| 22:06.09 | Dashkal | ckknight: put the warning in the documentation page for the .pkgmeta file itself |
| 22:06.36 | ckknight | yea, I also plan to link to the docs if the pkgmeta thing messes up ever |
| 22:08.49 | nevcairiel | Also make sure to get a lua version for the syntax checks that supports UTF8 :P |
| 22:11.12 | Kolie | yay you can disable CurseProfiler addon now :P |
| 22:11.34 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 22:11.36 | nevcairiel | finally something good |
| 22:11.42 | Kolie | lol |
| 22:15.42 | Kolie | need to update my sorting predicate. |
| 22:16.17 | ckknight | nevcairiel: yea, I will, I'll use the one cogwheel made |
| 22:21.02 | ckknight | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/pages/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 22:23.23 | Dashkal | LibBanana? Do want. Gimme! |
| 22:23.45 | charon | ckknight: ok, that provides enough warning ;) |
| 22:23.52 | charon | great feature |
| 22:25.56 | ZealotOnAStick | so, for, f'rinstance, /trunk/FuBar_LogFu2 - I'd want this .pkgmeta file in a directory above my LogFu2 folder? |
| 22:26.27 | ckknight | it'd be in trunk |
| 22:26.36 | ckknight | so you'd have /trunk/.pkgmeta |
| 22:26.38 | ZealotOnAStick | or on the CF svn, am I just going to have a /trunk/fileshere and it gets zipped up into the specified dir by the packager, so I'd have .pkgmeta in the same sir as my .toc? |
| 22:26.44 | ckknight | and later, /tags/v2.0/.pkgmeta |
| 22:27.00 | ckknight | the latter assumption is correct |
| 22:27.04 | ckknight | your files go straight in your trunk |
| 22:27.21 | ckknight | including the .toc |
| 22:32.42 | *** join/#curseforge spode- (n=spode@85.134.127.203) |
| 22:33.51 | cncfanatics | is curse download count bugged ? |
| 22:34.02 | cncfanatics | my addon been up on curse only today |
| 22:34.07 | cncfanatics | and it had 18 hits today and 140 total |
| 22:34.10 | cncfanatics | doesn't make much sense |
| 22:35.33 | Pneumatus | my count is off as well |
| 22:35.53 | Pneumatus | the sum of each file download doesnt equal the total downloads |
| 22:36.06 | ckknight | cncfanatics: wait a day. |
| 22:36.19 | cncfanatics | Pneumatus: might be related to deleted files ? |
| 22:36.27 | Pneumatus | nah, ive not deleted any files |
| 22:36.56 | Pneumatus | oh |
| 22:37.06 | Pneumatus | it was off earler, but it may be correct now |
| 22:37.11 | Pneumatus | .. to the calculator |
| 22:37.27 | Pneumatus | off by 9 :) |
| 22:37.35 | ZealotOnAStick | it's . . . special, due to cacheing. |
| 22:39.14 | wuh | lol |
| 22:45.00 | Pneumatus | do downloads straight from CF get counted on the curse page counteR? |
| 22:45.18 | netcurse | not yet. |
| 22:45.36 | Pneumatus | mind you, that wouldnt explain it either |
| 22:48.52 | *** join/#curseforge Tuller (n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 22:50.07 | ckknight | the download counts are screwy. |
| 22:50.17 | ckknight | given enough time of no action, they correct themselves |
| 22:50.23 | ckknight | the new curse will fix this evilness |
| 22:50.49 | Dashkal | damnit. epic fail |
| 22:51.06 | Dashkal | how do you do a null check in bash? I thought it was if ["${var}" == ""]; then |
| 22:51.36 | Dashkal | null/empty check, both are the same for my purposes |
| 22:52.24 | ckknight | Dashkal: use spaces around the [ ] |
| 22:53.04 | ckknight | you're right, though |
| 22:53.19 | Dashkal | Oh yeah... [ is a command, needs a space after |
| 22:53.28 | Dashkal | too long in real languages. coding in bash sucks |
| 22:53.35 | ckknight | truth |
| 22:53.42 | ckknight | okay, the pkgmeta system is in place, people |
| 22:53.44 | ckknight | read about it http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/pages/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 22:53.51 | nevcairiel | I actually dumped my bash scrip the other day and installed lua on the box |
| 22:53.53 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 22:54.06 | ckknight | I'll make an announcement about it |
| 22:54.10 | ckknight | explaining why and all |
| 22:54.25 | Dashkal | if my boss knew lua this script would already be written in it |
| 22:54.38 | Dashkal | I'm very seriously considering snuggling up with my old perl book and using that |
| 22:55.08 | Pneumatus | is there any advantage for using the pkgmeta file over the externals box in repo settings then? |
| 22:55.42 | nevcairiel | i think the box will go, no? |
| 22:55.54 | ckknight | Pneumatus: yes, if you try to use the externals box, you'll notice that it's disappeared |
| 22:56.08 | Pneumatus | that could be a good reason then :) |
| 22:56.12 | ckknight | the main reason to do this is for clarity, versioning, and easy extensibility |
| 22:56.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:56.20 | ckknight | which I'll talk about in the announcement |
| 22:56.25 | nevcairiel | versioned externals is good |
| 22:56.34 | ckknight | definitely agree |
| 22:56.50 | Dashkal | best bash error message ever: <file>.bsh: line 316: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' |
| 22:57.10 | nevcairiel | damn those disconnects |
| 22:57.20 | Dashkal | 316 is (surprise surprise) the last line |
| 22:57.55 | Pneumatus | i guess more headers will/could be added to the pkgmeta file also for future enhancements also |
| 22:58.19 | ckknight | yep, Pneumatus |
| 22:58.23 | ckknight | such as modules |
| 23:01.33 | *** part/#curseforge cncfanatics (n=Diego@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 23:02.50 | Pneumatus | tab is an invalid character to preceed an external? |
| 23:03.19 | Dashkal | Would it be frowned upon to nab one of those torrent and pre-download the beta or should I just be impatient and wait? |
| 23:03.34 | ckknight | Pneumatus: yes, according to the YAML spec |
| 23:03.38 | ckknight | (I didn't write that) |
| 23:05.24 | Pneumatus | damn spec |
| 23:05.32 | Pneumatus | changes tabs to 4 spaces |
| 23:06.21 | ckknight | either that or you can use braces, I believe |
| 23:06.23 | ckknight | not positive on that |
| 23:06.28 | nevcairiel | I hate specs where any whitespace chars are part of the syntax |
| 23:07.07 | Pneumatus | yeh you can use {key, value} or key: value |
| 23:07.07 | ckknight | I'd really prefer not to change the tabs to spaces manually, I'd rather just pass it to the yaml interpreter straight-out |
| 23:07.13 | *** join/#curseforge spode (n=spode@85.134.127.203) |
| 23:07.27 | Pneumatus | " Whitespace indentation is used to denote structure; however tab characters are never allowed as indentation" |
| 23:08.08 | Pneumatus | hurrah, it committed |
| 23:08.19 | Pneumatus | (on the 3rd attempt) |
| 23:10.55 | ckknight | does this seem good? http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/pkgmeta-file-replacing-externals-on-website/ |
| 23:12.33 | Dashkal | Nice and simple |
| 23:13.04 | ckknight | I also added a bit more info on the http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/pages/pkgmeta-file/ page |
| 23:18.42 | *** join/#curseforge ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:18.42 | *** join/#curseforge Luthorhuss (n=chatzill@0x50a58153.svgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 23:18.42 | *** join/#curseforge Nechckn (n=N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/PRManager/Nechckn) |
| 23:18.42 | *** join/#curseforge smariot (n=smariot@bas3-sudbury98-1168049856.dsl.bell.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:18.43 | *** join/#curseforge Kody (n=nope@adsl-99-173-10-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:18.43 | *** join/#curseforge Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 23:18.43 | *** join/#curseforge starlon (n=starlon@melody.lyrical.net) |
| 23:18.43 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 23:20.27 | *** join/#curseforge ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 23:20.27 | *** mode/#curseforge [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:22.34 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: is there a way to request a new package be created without touching the repo? |
| 23:22.51 | ckknight | outside of asking me, to |
| 23:22.51 | ckknight | no* |
| 23:22.58 | ckknight | there is a ticket for that |
| 23:23.15 | ckknight | also, it'll only create a package if the repo is updated anyway |
| 23:24.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah but commiting just to get something like preexisting externals on CF to pull in more recent versions just seems dirty to me |
| 23:24.37 | ckknight | oh, if externals update, it'll repackage |
| 23:24.54 | ckknight | only alpha builds, though, not betas or releases (since those are tags anyway, a fixed point in time) |
| 23:25.09 | Dashkal | I was about to ask |
| 23:25.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah but doing it for a release where nothing changed on your side seems dirty still |
| 23:25.56 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: doing it for a release implied you tested it. Should prolly update some docs or at least have "tested against LibBanana-1.0 rev 4" in the chanelog |
| 23:26.54 | *** join/#curseforge Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:26.54 | Arrowmaster | not many rcs allow you to make a commit if nothing has changed |
| 23:27.09 | Arrowmaster | and making a change to get around that is dirty |
| 23:27.32 | Aiiane | Solution: Keep your changelog as a text file in the repo, too! :P |
| 23:27.36 | Dashkal | then don't embed and require disembedded? |
| 23:27.52 | Dashkal | What you're trying to do is generate a new release for something that had nothing to do with you |
| 23:28.05 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: the .pkgmeta looks a lot like svn:externals, does it support more than what you showed on the example, like specifing specific revisions? |
| 23:28.07 | Aiiane | which is an unfortunate side effect of embedding |
| 23:28.20 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it will |
| 23:28.22 | ckknight | not now, though |
| 23:28.37 | Arrowmaster | which syntax will you use? svn 1.5? |
| 23:29.10 | Dashkal | WTF? |
| 23:29.16 | Dashkal | Clicking "My profile" is broked |
| 23:29.27 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: not sure yet |
| 23:29.32 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it'll have to be valid yaml |
| 23:29.40 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: vote this ticket up: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/218-request-manual-interface-to-the-packager/ |
| 23:30.15 | *** join/#curseforge Luthorhuss_ (n=chatzill@0x50a58153.svgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 23:30.25 | charon | night folks |
| 23:30.30 | Dashkal | night |
| 23:34.39 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: this is the only supported way of doing externals right? |
| 23:34.46 | ckknight | yes |
| 23:34.55 | ckknight | that'll go in the zip, at least |
| 23:35.34 | Arrowmaster | would be nice to atleast parse svn:externals and git submodules and include them too, but probably a lot of work right? |
| 23:35.59 | ckknight | I answer that at the bottom of http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/pages/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 23:36.29 | Dashkal | ckknight: that doesn't answer why you do _not_ support them. |
| 23:36.36 | Dashkal | Only why you don't depend on the, |
| 23:36.39 | Dashkal | them* |
| 23:37.05 | ckknight | standardization is the main reason, also I fear that it will cause people to not use git-based things just because |
| 23:37.09 | Aiiane | probably better to enforce people using the preferred format |
| 23:37.23 | ckknight | also, you have the possibility of having the same info in two places |
| 23:37.25 | Aiiane | since its not really more effort either way |
| 23:37.26 | ckknight | which is bad karma |
| 23:37.51 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: but with this people WILL have info in two places |
| 23:38.03 | Dashkal | The problem is you're reducing the feature set of all these tools to accomidate a common demoninator |
| 23:38.14 | Arrowmaster | atleast i would still set svn:externals and such for those checking out directly from the svn |
| 23:38.16 | Dashkal | It's like the myraids of java libraries that are coded to 1.2 just to be sure they're useful |
| 23:42.31 | *** join/#curseforge Estala (n=Thomas@12-219-209-40.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:43.28 | ZealotOnAStick | really wants to smack people trying to fire shit off from the peanut gallery without having read the chat logs. |
| 23:44.30 | ckknight | Dashkal: if you want features, make a ticket, I'll try to accomodate |
| 23:44.53 | Dashkal | wait a tick... |
| 23:45.04 | Dashkal | Just to be clear. the .pkgmeta controls the file generated by the packager |
| 23:45.17 | Dashkal | But svn:externals, git modules,a nd such will still function when doing source checkouts? |
| 23:46.19 | ckknight | yea, but only if you use svn, not downloading a zip |
| 23:47.10 | ckknight | your assumption appears correct, Dashkal |
| 23:47.45 | ckknight | svn:externals isn't looked at by the packager at all |
| 23:49.10 | Dashkal | shuts up |
| 23:53.53 | ZealotOnAStick | is a tad confused now. |
| 23:54.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i would still be using svn:externals and git submodules because everything isnt about curseforge |
| 23:56.43 | ZealotOnAStick | still fears Git, and is just sort of getting on a first-name basis with Hg |
| 23:58.00 | ZealotOnAStick | anyway, I need to head home now. |
| 23:58.09 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: if what you're looking for is to have the packager produce exactly what your source checkout looks like minus the vcs info, you might consider just writing your own packager script |
