| 00:00.03 | ckknight | a lot saner than having like /repo.php?id=5235 |
| 00:00.07 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:00.08 | Dashkal | heh |
| 00:00.22 | Dashkal | I'm actually a fan of that style, but I really don't get the whole rest bit so just ignore me :p |
| 00:00.45 | ckknight | and I mean, if I give you a link http://curseforge.com/projects/Zomg/repositories/mainline/browse/trunk/blah, you can be pretty sure about what you're looking at. |
| 00:00.57 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 00:01.30 | Dashkal | Its just to to my mind, I'd be happy with projects/Zomg/repositories/mainline?action=clone |
| 00:01.42 | Dashkal | Which isn't as clean when it comes right down to it |
| 00:02.11 | Dashkal | having verbs in the url itself is what I trip on, but it does make sense. |
| 00:02.14 | Dashkal | shrugs |
| 00:04.31 | ckknight | well, look at it this way |
| 00:04.53 | ckknight | the root (curseforge.com) is a noun |
| 00:05.12 | ckknight | all nouns can have other singular nouns, collections, or verbs on them |
| 00:05.44 | ckknight | so you have curseforge.com/projects/, which is a collection, that can only have singular nouns in the next part |
| 00:06.25 | ckknight | so you're at curseforge.com/projects/Zomg, at which point you can have singular nouns (not in this case), collections (such as repositories), or verbs (such as edit) |
| 00:06.28 | ckknight | and so forth |
| 00:06.49 | ckknight | basically, by doing it this way, it's both understandable as well as preventing namespace conflicts |
| 00:07.14 | Dashkal | nods |
| 00:07.40 | ckknight | one thing to note |
| 00:08.12 | ckknight | although you might think that curseforge.com/projects/create should exist, that's actually bad (what if there's a project named create?), instead, /create-project/ is more appropriate |
| 00:08.31 | Dashkal | wait a tick, the point of having verbs after the ? is to ensure they're in their own namespace |
| 00:08.54 | Dashkal | for just that kind of case |
| 00:09.00 | Dashkal | projects/?create |
| 00:12.15 | ckknight | there's no reason to have a query string unnecessarily, if you do that, then the one url changes its behavior immensely (from an index to an action) based on the query string, which is not very RESTful |
| 00:12.59 | ckknight | also, that would overcomplicate things in Django |
| 00:13.01 | Dashkal | This is exactly where rest messes me up. |
| 00:13.05 | ckknight | which is what we use |
| 00:13.43 | Dashkal | I tend to think of a url as pointing to an object of some sort, with an implied action of "get me this object". If you want to do something different, that's what the query string is for |
| 00:15.06 | ckknight | nah, a url can be a verb in its own right |
| 00:15.34 | ckknight | if you have a thing such as /thingies/blah/, then you can do an action on it by doing /thingies/blah/edit/ or so |
| 00:16.16 | Dashkal | Instead of having an object and telling the system what to do with it, you have an action and you're telling the system how to go about it |
| 00:17.41 | ckknight | it's more like the action is a child of the object |
| 00:17.52 | ckknight | sorta |
| 00:58.55 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:59.06 | ckknight | I'm gonna set everybody's addon licenses to all rights reserved for now |
| 00:59.23 | ckknight | gonna clean it up and provide default ones |
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| 02:38.35 | ckknight | anyone have any comments for this list: http://curseforge.com/licenses/ ? |
| 02:39.03 | netcurse1 | cheers Ckknight |
| 02:39.08 | ckknight | hey netcurse1 |
| 02:40.06 | ckknight | I'm surprised how much work I can get done on the weekends |
| 02:46.27 | netcurse1 | :D |
| 03:27.09 | ckknight | okay, cloning is fully implemented |
| 03:27.13 | ckknight | and it pays attention to licenses now |
| 03:27.52 | ckknight | if you use an OSD-compatible license, your project will have full cloning. If you don't, then it's the author's choice. You can have full cloning, single-depth cloning (e.g. only cloning of the mainline), or no cloning at all. |
| 03:28.22 | ckknight | note: even if you specify no cloning, if you have edit rights to the project, you'll be able to make a clone, but random noobs won't. |
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| 04:00.46 | ckknight | well, I guess the next thing to do is Mercurial support |
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| 20:29.16 | [Liquidor] | . |
| 20:30.25 | Dashkal | , |
| 20:30.52 | ckknight | ! |
| 20:31.47 | Dashkal | ; |
| 20:36.04 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 20:36.08 | ckknight | what's everyone up to today? |
| 20:36.19 | nevcairiel | I'm writing a game in OpenGL, its fun! |
| 20:37.22 | ckknight | that would be fun :-P |
| 20:37.30 | ckknight | I did some 3d programming back in the day, but not in some time |
| 20:37.34 | ckknight | what's the game? |
| 20:37.58 | nevcairiel | i think US people call it "Frustration" if my googling worked right, its a stupid university task |
| 20:40.00 | nevcairiel | 2D for now, next task is converting it to 3D |
| 20:45.25 | ckknight | alright |
| 20:49.31 | Dashkal | sounds much more entertaining than doing zomg this zone is nothing but red :p |
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| 20:51.49 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 20:52.03 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 20:52.20 | Dashkal | (I know it's an automatic, but it's almost ingraned to respond like that :p ) |
| 20:59.19 | ckknight | hrm, wondering how necessary it is for non-authors to have read access to the ssh repositories, seeing as they could just use the normal repositories |
| 20:59.20 | ckknight | any thoughts? |
| 20:59.57 | Dashkal | Probably a good thing to restrict them. Should simplify things for you too |
| 21:00.30 | [Liquidor] | ckknight, just limit it. |
| 21:00.41 | ckknight | [Liquidor]: um, how do you mean? |
| 21:00.57 | [Liquidor] | Well... |
| 21:01.02 | nevcairiel | nah dont give them ssh access |
| 21:01.07 | nevcairiel | as long as they have web ssh access |
| 21:01.11 | nevcairiel | or something else |
| 21:01.17 | nevcairiel | ssh=svn |
| 21:01.18 | nevcairiel | i mean :P |
| 21:01.22 | ckknight | nevcairiel: they can access properly through svn://, git://, or hg:// |
| 21:01.24 | [Liquidor] | Just give me a hug ckknight and I don't care. |
| 21:01.31 | ckknight | gives [Liquidor] a hug |
| 21:01.48 | nevcairiel | giving them ssh access is stupid if they have insecure access already ;) |
| 21:01.54 | ckknight | and basically authors would be able to access the svn+ssh://, git+ssh://, hg+ssh:// stuff |
| 21:02.18 | ckknight | nevcairiel: you can only commit/push through the ssh way |
| 21:02.27 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 21:02.35 | nevcairiel | but that matters how? =P |
| 21:02.49 | ckknight | what do you mean? |
| 21:02.57 | nevcairiel | well to your original question? |
| 21:04.03 | Dashkal | here's a question: how often would someone who is only browsing have to switch to the svn+ssh one? |
| 21:04.04 | ckknight | the original question is whether users who don't have write access to a given repository should be able to pull/checkout from the ssh repository, i.e. provide read-only access that way. It's not really necessary seeing as they can get to the repo the other way |
| 21:04.13 | ckknight | Dashkal: never |
| 21:04.16 | [Liquidor] | Let's all ask eachother questions. That'll solve the problem :-) |
| 21:04.31 | Dashkal | if it's never, there's no reason to allow reading from the ssh for non-authenticated people |
| 21:04.40 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:04.45 | ckknight | that's what I'm thinking I'm gonna do |
| 21:04.55 | nevcairiel | or if its really rare, svn clients have a switch command :P |
| 21:05.07 | ckknight | yea, and it's easy enough for hg and git |
| 21:05.28 | Dashkal | how does one change "origin" in git? (Don't answer that if its involved, just curous) |
| 21:07.17 | ckknight | git remote rm origin |
| 21:07.25 | ckknight | git remote add origin new-url |
| 21:07.29 | Dashkal | heh |
| 21:07.35 | ckknight | complex. |
| 21:07.36 | ckknight | I know. |
| 21:07.53 | Dashkal | yeah, forbid access. even if someone does check out, patch, and is later granted commit access to check back in, it's easy to move over to the other url |
| 21:08.12 | ckknight | yea, and there will be a howto on how to switch to a new one |
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| 22:53.23 | Zyuu | hey guys |
| 22:59.52 | ckknight | hey Zyuu |
| 23:05.26 | ckknight | how are you today? |
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| 23:15.40 | nevcairiel | so why is the google calendar sync tool installer limited to not install on XP x64 if i can just turn on compat XP mode and install it fine, and use it fine? |
| 23:17.16 | Dashkal | Gotta love apps that see OMG 64 bit *shoot self* when all the bloddy libs are there |
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