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| 15:12.52 | CBG | AlexandrTheGreat? |
| 15:19.07 | NTH | it is him he just can't spell |
| 15:20.43 | CBG | Hi NTH. |
| 15:20.52 | NTH | Hi CBG |
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| 16:30.31 | SportChick | Mikk: try it now |
| 16:31.50 | Mikk | :) |
| 16:32.05 | SportChick | cool ok |
| 16:32.08 | *** mode/#bzleague [+v Mikk] by SportChick |
| 16:32.17 | AlexandrTheGreat | hi Mikk |
| 16:32.24 | Mikk | hey alex |
| 16:36.11 | quantumdot | is this Mikkel? |
| 16:38.29 | SportChick | quantumdot: it is mikkel |
| 16:46.36 | quantumdot | interesting discussion on #bzflag |
| 16:46.43 | quantumdot | it is heading for disaster |
| 16:46.58 | SportChick | yes, rapidly |
| 16:47.06 | TheRedBaron | with the parties involved, what else would you expect? |
| 16:47.27 | quantumdot | TRB your resignation is not accepted BTW |
| 16:47.37 | AlexandrTheGreat | good |
| 16:48.22 | quantumdot | so you better prepare to take your responsibilities, instead of running away form them :) |
| 16:48.55 | Mikk | You made some of the most interesting points in the last discussions.. can't you just stay on the admin team and resume not playing, but trying to?:) |
| 16:50.08 | quantumdot | Mikk: is that me or TRB you address? |
| 16:50.26 | Mikk | TrB |
| 16:50.32 | Mikk | I'm sure i've seen you play now and then:) |
| 16:50.58 | quantumdot | well i have my excusses |
| 16:51.02 | quantumdot | i am bussy |
| 16:51.13 | quantumdot | and bad connected lately |
| 16:51.30 | quantumdot | from the Univ. residence i am living now, i cant play |
| 16:52.02 | Mikk | ah |
| 16:52.20 | quantumdot | i wont be back before two more weeks |
| 16:52.26 | Mikk | love the new team though.. red and ara are great.. and ani's one of my new favorites:) |
| 16:52.35 | quantumdot | so you would have to wait to see my tank going boom |
| 16:52.50 | quantumdot | ani is red's son |
| 16:52.55 | Mikk | yes, I know |
| 16:52.56 | quantumdot | young but very mature |
| 16:53.03 | quantumdot | more than most :) |
| 16:53.04 | AlexandrTheGreat | he's a real good kid |
| 16:53.21 | quantumdot | and plays with one of those gaming mice grrr |
| 16:53.34 | AlexandrTheGreat | he must take after his mother. KIDDING RED! |
| 16:53.38 | quantumdot | so jittering all over |
| 16:53.45 | Mikk | fastest setting i've seen |
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| 16:53.55 | Mikk | looks fine to me:p |
| 16:53.56 | quantumdot | red cannot handle it actually |
| 16:54.04 | quantumdot | and has to reset it to play |
| 16:54.35 | Gilly | quantumdot: ! birdie told to ask you about my math problem |
| 16:54.37 | quantumdot | Mikk: it may look good to you, but to me is like sammy on that pahgos movie |
| 16:54.57 | Mikk | he |
| 16:55.21 | quantumdot | at least i have no to hit him, well that's the idea apart from accidental tks |
| 16:55.35 | quantumdot | Gilly: what about? |
| 16:55.36 | Gilly | quantumdot: it goes like this: a(r) = dv/dt, v = dr/dt, a=dv/dt=dv/dr * dr/dt |
| 16:55.52 | Gilly | and the question is why is: a=dv/dt=dv/dr * dr/dt |
| 16:56.06 | Gilly | if v(t) = dr/dt |
| 16:56.12 | quantumdot | it is not i think |
| 16:56.32 | Gilly | so you think that it's v(r(t)) = r'(t) ? |
| 16:56.35 | quantumdot | it would be d²r/dt² right? |
| 16:56.43 | Gilly | a ? |
| 16:56.44 | Gilly | yes |
| 16:56.57 | quantumdot | yes a |
| 16:57.08 | quantumdot | second derivative |
| 16:57.14 | quantumdot | the rule chain |
| 16:57.18 | Gilly | but in my math book there is a=dv/dt=dv/dr*dr/dt=dv/dr * v |
| 16:57.23 | Gilly | the chain rule ;) |
| 16:58.29 | quantumdot | ok i missed it |
| 16:58.41 | quantumdot | it is correct yes |
| 16:58.52 | Gilly | why ? |
| 16:59.44 | quantumdot | dv/dt = d(dr/dt)/dt = d²r/dt² or dv/dt = dv/dr * dr/dt |
| 16:59.52 | quantumdot | both are correct |
| 17:00.07 | quantumdot | for short you can think of dt or dr as factors |
| 17:00.11 | Gilly | what makes the second one correct ? |
| 17:00.17 | Gilly | eek - i don't want to :) |
| 17:00.32 | Gilly | because it's in theory incorrect |
| 17:00.34 | quantumdot | it is the chain rule |
| 17:00.52 | quantumdot | no it is not |
| 17:00.56 | quantumdot | hold on |
| 17:00.57 | AlexandrTheGreat | i bet it's the thin chain rule, and you just told him how to do it |
| 17:01.26 | quantumdot | forget about the d's for a while ok |
| 17:01.30 | Gilly | well, i know that D f(g(x)) = f'(g(x))*g'(x) |
| 17:01.50 | Gilly | but is the v funktion given as v(r(t)) = r'(t) ? |
| 17:01.53 | quantumdot | and f' = df/dg |
| 17:01.57 | Gilly | because if it was then i could understand this |
| 17:02.03 | Gilly | yes |
| 17:02.13 | Gilly | and g' = dg/dx |
| 17:02.19 | quantumdot | yes |
| 17:02.30 | quantumdot | so what is the point you miss, im lost |
| 17:02.43 | Gilly | this: is the v funktion given as v(r(t)) = r'(t) ? |
| 17:02.46 | quantumdot | f=a and g= r so you have it |
| 17:02.54 | Gilly | or as normally v(t) = r'(t) ? |
| 17:03.23 | Gilly | hmm.. i'm not differentiating a, but v |
| 17:03.38 | quantumdot | you may have v(r) or v(r(t)), no difference. The only point is what you take as the variable |
| 17:03.56 | quantumdot | v' means nothing if you dont specify the argumenbt |
| 17:04.12 | Gilly | i wrote v(t) not v(r), so it would dv/dt = dv/dt nothing else :P |
| 17:04.19 | quantumdot | let v=v(r) and r= r(t) ok? |
| 17:04.28 | Gilly | yeah if v=v(r) then I can do this ;) |
| 17:04.35 | quantumdot | you can have v' = dv/dr |
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| 17:04.50 | Gilly | or v' = dv/dr * dr/dt |
| 17:05.39 | Gilly | yes yes |
| 17:05.39 | Gilly | i just was confused because my textbook doesn't show the form of v |
| 17:05.40 | Gilly | it just says: v=dr/dt |
| 17:05.40 | Gilly | which could mean that v(t) = r'(t) |
| 17:05.40 | Gilly | not v(r(t)) = r'(t) |
| 17:05.42 | Gilly | which would make more sense to this problem |
| 17:05.43 | quantumdot | the argument of v must be specified or v' doesnt make sense |
| 17:05.54 | quantumdot | when you have only ine variable there is no need, it is implied |
| 17:06.00 | quantumdot | but here you have t and r |
| 17:06.19 | quantumdot | so v' is either dv/dr or dv/dt, which arent the same |
| 17:06.20 | Gilly | yeah |
| 17:06.30 | Gilly | yup |
| 17:06.35 | quantumdot | v' is a short hand notation |
| 17:06.40 | quantumdot | for whatever you decide |
| 17:06.44 | Gilly | but now, v(y) = D y ? :) |
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| 17:06.52 | quantumdot | but once you decide what it means you got yo stick to it |
| 17:06.56 | Gilly | respect to t of course |
| 17:07.11 | Gilly | yeah I got it |
| 17:07.37 | quantumdot | what are on on to? |
| 17:07.47 | quantumdot | are you studying? |
| 17:07.59 | Gilly | self studying... |
| 17:08.04 | quantumdot | aha |
| 17:08.07 | Gilly | they don't teach differential equations to us yet ;) |
| 17:08.18 | quantumdot | what's you age and course? |
| 17:08.31 | Gilly | 17 in a week... (8th May) |
| 17:08.37 | quantumdot | i see |
| 17:08.47 | Gilly | the book is Advanced Engineering Mathematics |
| 17:08.58 | quantumdot | you must be nearly seeing calculus in short |
| 17:09.06 | Gilly | we haven't studied calculus in school yet |
| 17:09.30 | Gilly | next year christmas maybe derivatives |
| 17:09.39 | quantumdot | yes surely |
| 17:09.47 | quantumdot | a bit slow IMHO |
| 17:09.56 | quantumdot | here we get that at 16 already |
| 17:10.04 | Gilly | o_0 |
| 17:10.20 | quantumdot | but most people dont understand a word of it |
| 17:10.23 | quantumdot | i guess |
| 17:10.24 | Gilly | something like D x^2 = 2x or more advanced things too ? |
| 17:10.30 | Gilly | and do they teach you limits + |
| 17:10.34 | quantumdot | a bit more than that |
| 17:10.41 | quantumdot | yes sure at 15 |
| 17:10.48 | Gilly | heck |
| 17:10.51 | Gilly | where are you from ? |
| 17:10.54 | quantumdot | spain |
| 17:10.58 | Gilly | cool |
| 17:11.06 | quantumdot | but as i said people is not mature for that |
| 17:11.09 | quantumdot | i think |
| 17:11.13 | Gilly | heh |
| 17:11.19 | Gilly | i would die if they were :P |
| 17:11.29 | Gilly | i mean if everyone knew calculus there at the age of 15 |
| 17:11.34 | Gilly | when do you study integrals ? |
| 17:11.54 | quantumdot | this is the typical subject that can be learnt in 6 months at the correct age, but comes far too difficult at early age |
| 17:12.08 | quantumdot | simple integrals at 16 i think |
| 17:12.18 | Gilly | no substitutions i hope... |
| 17:12.24 | quantumdot | but again, we missed the meaning of all it |
| 17:12.25 | Gilly | or hyperbolic substitutions |
| 17:12.29 | Gilly | i see.. |
| 17:12.29 | quantumdot | nooo |
| 17:12.35 | quantumdot | simple primitives |
| 17:12.51 | Gilly | yeah D x^2 = 2x, int 2x = x^2 + C :P |
| 17:12.55 | quantumdot | yes |
| 17:13.23 | quantumdot | mostly polynomic funtions and some rational integrals |
| 17:13.29 | Gilly | when do you start to learn about differential equations ? |
| 17:13.32 | quantumdot | p(x)/q(x) |
| 17:13.39 | Gilly | yeah |
| 17:13.43 | Gilly | or p(x)*q(x) ? |
| 17:13.43 | quantumdot | only at university |
| 17:13.47 | Gilly | good |
| 17:13.48 | Gilly | :P |
| 17:14.04 | Gilly | I wonder then... when do you learn the basic trigonometry ? |
| 17:14.11 | quantumdot | differential equations arent part of the high school education |
| 17:14.18 | quantumdot | at 15 |
| 17:14.38 | quantumdot | 15= trigonometry, combinatory, limits |
| 17:14.46 | quantumdot | 16: essential calculus |
| 17:15.00 | quantumdot | 17: more involved |
| 17:15.19 | quantumdot | 18: linear algebra, matrices and more calculus |
| 17:15.25 | quantumdot | that's all |
| 17:15.29 | Gilly | you know, at this year, everyone being 16, we first learned to solve ax^2+bx+c = 0 in the second course... in third we learned basic trigonometry ang geometry, the fourth course was about analytic geometry (the equations mostly) |
| 17:15.40 | quantumdot | oh my |
| 17:16.06 | Gilly | this course we learn about complex numbers |
| 17:16.12 | quantumdot | ax^2+bx+c = 0 is taught at elementary school here |
| 17:16.17 | Gilly | and rational inequalities |
| 17:16.31 | quantumdot | where are you from? |
| 17:16.51 | Gilly | here they don't teach it before they can show how (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a is derived.. |
| 17:16.58 | Gilly | finland |
| 17:17.19 | quantumdot | oh but finland has a fantastic education, best in EU |
| 17:17.25 | Gilly | yes ;) |
| 17:17.26 | quantumdot | probably best world wide |
| 17:17.34 | quantumdot | so they must be doing something right |
| 17:17.41 | Gilly | maybe they make sure most of people learn the things |
| 17:17.54 | Gilly | and don't jump into calculus at 15 because of that |
| 17:18.03 | quantumdot | honestly i think those subjects are more adequate than spanish ones |
| 17:18.15 | quantumdot | spanish ones are far too dificult for youngsters |
| 17:18.32 | Gilly | yeah probably |
| 17:18.48 | quantumdot | here you learn the tricks so to speak, but they are meaningless |
| 17:19.03 | Gilly | i mean... most of people who switch from the A course mathematics to B switch when they start to teach calculus |
| 17:19.13 | quantumdot | most people dont grasp what a derivative is, not to mention a limit or a integral |
| 17:19.20 | Gilly | yeah |
| 17:19.49 | quantumdot | i have good friends at UHT |
| 17:20.00 | Gilly | UHT ? |
| 17:20.02 | quantumdot | UTH |
| 17:20.05 | quantumdot | oops |
| 17:20.10 | quantumdot | TUH |
| 17:20.12 | quantumdot | geez |
| 17:20.22 | Gilly | what does it mean ? |
| 17:20.26 | quantumdot | Technical University Hensilky |
| 17:20.30 | Gilly | ah |
| 17:20.39 | quantumdot | is it HUT i think |
| 17:20.42 | Gilly | helsinki it's written btw ;) |
| 17:20.49 | TheRedBaron | yea i was wondering... |
| 17:20.59 | TheRedBaron | helsinki = cool name |
| 17:21.00 | quantumdot | ok ok |
| 17:21.03 | quantumdot | typing too fast |
| 17:21.24 | quantumdot | i got to run to do some shoping |
| 17:21.27 | Gilly | Helsingin yliopisto, tekninen osasto... i think |
| 17:21.45 | qdot_away | cu |
| 17:21.49 | Gilly | which means The university of Helsinki, Technical line |
| 17:22.02 | Gilly | cu |
| 17:23.11 | Gilly | TheRedBaron: I live in Uusikaupunki, uusi = new, kaupunki = town, so it's New town, swedish call it Nystad where Ny is new, and surprise surprise, stad is town |
| 17:23.59 | Gilly | TheRedBaron: what languages do you think written finnish resembles most ? |
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| 17:48.35 | Gilly | someone here would come for a PB funmatch ? benji, me, destroyer and YOU ;) |
| 17:56.16 | wizart | I've got a replacement on warranty of my logitech gaming mouse. It's strange that I broke the fire button even though I don't use it nearly as much as the average diablo player. Maybe BZFlag timing requires you to press the mouse button much harder than average? |
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| 18:02.53 | SportChick | That_Smell: wb |
| 18:03.01 | SportChick | That_Smell: did you have a nice weekend/trip? |
| 18:03.26 | CBG | ~greet That_Smell |
| 18:03.27 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on That_Smell |
| 18:03.34 | CBG | oh... |
| 18:03.41 | CBG | stupid jbot |
| 18:04.08 | SportChick | ~welcome That_Smell |
| 18:04.10 | jbot | That_Smell, Sup yo? |
| 18:04.19 | CBG | better :) |
| 18:20.00 | That_Smell | ah. sry. was busy in the workplace battle. yes. trip was good.. though too short. |
| 18:20.33 | That_Smell | Hmmm.. I like oatmeal - but not cold. |
| 18:28.13 | That_Smell | who's 'gramps'? |
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| 18:32.23 | brad | can someone reset my pass at the ducati league please? |
| 18:33.00 | [dmp] | rasure |
| 18:33.24 | [dmp] | brad: sure :) |
| 18:33.33 | brad | cool |
| 18:33.45 | brad | "brad2901" |
| 18:37.01 | brad | ~[dmp]++ |
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| 19:27.15 | brad | ~x de en Dr\uffffcken Sie die Eingabetaste um mit dem Starten von nano fortzufahren |
| 19:27.29 | quantumdot | lol |
| 19:27.32 | brad | grr |
| 19:27.32 | SportChick | rofl |
| 19:27.33 | quantumdot | no wonder why |
| 19:28.35 | brad | ~x de en Druffffcken Sie die Eingabetaste um mit dem Starten von nano fortzufahren |
| 19:29.27 | Birdie | i doubt drufffcken is a good word:=) |
| 19:29.30 | Birdie | with all those f |
| 19:29.34 | brad | bleh |
| 19:29.41 | Birdie | ~x de en druffcken |
| 19:29.49 | Birdie | ~x de en drufcken |
| 19:29.51 | brad | that's how it copied |
| 19:29.57 | Birdie | doh |
| 19:30.07 | Birdie | hmm my german skill is dissapointing me |
| 19:30.16 | brad | ;) |
| 19:30.21 | brad | mine is worse |
| 19:31.22 | TheRedBaron | ToughShooter: Help them |
| 19:31.42 | Birdie | ~x de en drucken |
| 19:31.44 | Birdie | pushing |
| 19:31.49 | Birdie | almost:) |
| 19:32.07 | Birdie | i knew that i recognized the word |
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| 19:32.29 | SportChick | NTH: hiya |
| 19:32.35 | SportChick | ~nth++ |
| 19:32.35 | NTH | hey |
| 19:32.37 | SportChick | ~mistake++ |
| 19:32.40 | SportChick | ~quantumdot++ |
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| 19:32.59 | brad | hi NTH |
| 19:33.02 | NTH | nhi brad |
| 19:33.19 | NTH | j bzflag |
| 19:33.39 | NTH | stupid |
| 19:33.49 | NTH | keyboard thing |
| 19:34.04 | brad | ;) |
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| 19:34.23 | NTH | this wireless keyboard is rubbish it only tpes have the chars whn it wants |
| 19:34.32 | NTH | half* |
| 19:34.38 | brad | ya I can see ;) |
| 19:34.49 | SportChick | hehe |
| 19:35.01 | NTH | want to look for a match to start at 21:00 brad |
| 19:35.08 | NTH | i have some things to do |
| 19:35.36 | brad | sure NTH |
| 19:35.37 | NTH | lost is also on at 22:00 must remember to record it |
| 19:35.39 | NTH | k |
| 19:35.45 | SportChick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.55 | brad | <3 lost |
| 19:36.09 | Birdie | whats more important, lost or bzflag:) |
| 19:36.14 | Birdie | (lots is so cool:) ) |
| 19:36.14 | brad | lost! |
| 19:36.19 | NTH | no i will record it |
| 19:36.49 | brad | but but |
| 19:36.54 | NTH | what |
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| 19:37.15 | brad | dunno |
| 19:37.41 | NTH | you said "but but" but what |
| 19:38.16 | brad | but anything |
| 19:38.23 | brad | who knows |
| 19:45.39 | ToughShooter | TheRedBaron: I was afk :/ |
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| 19:47.00 | TheRedBaron | ToughShooter: looks like they solved it though |
| 19:47.04 | kierra | oops |
| 19:47.19 | CBG | kierra: :o |
| 19:48.28 | ToughShooter | brad: Drücken Sie die Eingabetaste um mit dem Starten von "nano" fortzufahren -> Press enter to continue starting "nano" |
| 19:48.57 | brad | oh lol |
| 19:49.02 | ToughShooter | Whatever "nano" should be |
| 19:49.03 | brad | I thought that was some crazy error |
| 19:49.07 | brad | thanks :) |
| 19:49.15 | ToughShooter | np |
| 19:51.32 | ToughShooter | brad: In general if the de -> en translation is longer or equal long it is very likely that the translation was incorrect |
| 19:52.30 | orange | and a single word should really translate to 5 or more english words, in many cases ;-) |
| 19:53.14 | brad | ah |
| 19:53.46 | ToughShooter | Rindfleichettiketierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz is a nice example ;) |
| 19:53.49 | orange | lol! |
| 19:54.01 | brad | lol |
| 19:54.14 | brad | ~x de en Rindfleichettiketierungs�berwachungsaufgaben�bertragungsgesetz |
| 19:54.25 | brad | yep |
| 19:54.26 | ToughShooter | ~x de en Rindfleichettiketierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz |
| 19:54.46 | ToughShooter | Ah, your encoding wasn't reason |
| 19:55.26 | ToughShooter | Too much words to explain and hardly translatable for me |
| 19:55.40 | brad | where did you get it from |
| 19:56.14 | ToughShooter | We have further nice words like Dampfschifffahrtskapitänsausbildungsgesellschaft etc |
| 19:56.33 | ToughShooter | The longer words are not often needed, though |
| 19:56.39 | brad | heh |
| 19:56.44 | CBG | Matrix Reloaded begins now... :) |
| 19:57.05 | brad | so it does |
| 19:57.08 | brad | bbl ;] |
| 19:57.09 | CBG | And tomorrow, "CBG in Trouble with All Teachers" begins. |
| 19:57.33 | CBG | Because earlier "CBG doing homework" should have started, but it was canceled. |
| 19:57.35 | orange | ToughShooter: sorry, but no matter how hard you try, english is still harder than german :-) |
| 19:58.11 | ToughShooter | The ligatures are also a pain, because in the last word I gave the first two 'f's become one but the third f doesn't but can also get combined in other words.. |
| 19:58.59 | ToughShooter | orange: Well, english is less precise and verbose and therefore easier to use. At least that is my very own impression |
| 19:59.37 | orange | even though it is my native language |
| 20:00.25 | ToughShooter | I always keep in my languages are just a tool, except Perl ;) |
| 20:00.36 | orange | ~lart ToughShooter |
| 20:00.41 | ToughShooter | err, that was a horrible sentence |
| 20:01.01 | ToughShooter | comes from changing sentence over and over before sending |
| 20:01.16 | CBG | heheh |
| 20:01.16 | ToughShooter | s/my/mind |
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