| 00:06.21 | guu | New news from matches: Apr 10 00:01 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:12, The Barbarians:1 |
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| 00:57.44 | guu | New news from matches: Apr 10 00:51 => [}{] XaZaX:7, [HoW] Hell On Wheels:5 |
| 01:24.40 | guu | New news from matches: Apr 10 01:23 => [}{] XaZaX:8, [HoW] Hell On Wheels:3 |
| 01:30.16 | guu | New news from matches: Apr 10 01:26 => The Barbarians:6, (TD)The Darkness:2 |
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| 03:47.55 | Death-Barrel | anyone here??? |
| 03:47.57 | Death-Barrel | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=1&threadid=1017& |
| 03:53.00 | orange | whoa, that'll cause some chatter |
| 03:53.36 | Death-Barrel | heh |
| 03:53.40 | Death-Barrel | well i hope so |
| 03:54.08 | Death-Barrel | orange, did you know about this? |
| 03:54.46 | orange | I had heard buzz from someone that changing mouse settings could help gameplay |
| 03:54.58 | orange | I don't know who is using it, though |
| 03:55.01 | Death-Barrel | yeah well i thought i would post to make it fair for everyone |
| 03:55.26 | orange | well, nothing wrong with helping out users with techniques |
| 03:55.30 | Death-Barrel | nope |
| 03:55.37 | Death-Barrel | i just don't like the sneaky bs |
| 04:05.27 | Death-Barrel | feel free to post back and comment :) |
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| 07:08.05 | TheRedBaron | bah, that topic is old... |
| 07:08.11 | TheRedBaron | :P |
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| 08:43.29 | [dmp] | Some things in bzflag is just too preditable. |
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| 10:17.21 | Birdie | death-barrel: your post was pretty lame on ducati forum is one |
| 10:17.26 | Birdie | and 2: how did you found out? |
| 10:18.05 | Birdie | it is not a cheat |
| 10:18.15 | [dmp] | It was stated as such in the forum :) |
| 10:18.16 | Birdie | subject of his topic: "aka cheat" |
| 10:18.35 | [dmp] | yeah, i've read the thread, incluing the bashing |
| 10:19.02 | Birdie | it sux |
| 10:19.17 | [dmp] | i use LCD monitor for playing bzflag, i think everyone using normal crt monitors cheats |
| 10:19.18 | Birdie | he made several people looking like sneaky cheaters |
| 10:19.34 | Birdie | 19 inch:) |
| 10:19.58 | [dmp] | same here (my workstation one) |
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| 10:20.27 | [dmp] | but in that case, quality / high resolution mouse gotta be cheating too |
| 10:20.35 | [dmp] | and what if i wear glasses? |
| 10:20.41 | Birdie | i wear glasses:) |
| 10:20.45 | [dmp] | cheater! |
| 10:20.47 | [dmp] | :) |
| 10:20.48 | Birdie | lol |
| 10:21.07 | Birdie | every one can use the options for his mouse, its not a cheat |
| 10:21.12 | Birdie | no rule says its forbidden |
| 10:21.19 | [dmp] | everyone dosnt get better using it either |
| 10:21.24 | Birdie | also true |
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| 10:22.00 | [dmp] | and i could imagine that the different OSes uses different mouse speeds as default |
| 10:22.37 | Birdie | if you look at the styles |
| 10:22.42 | Birdie | you know who can use it and who cant |
| 10:22.56 | Birdie | like fantazee for example, wouldnt be usefull for him |
| 10:23.03 | Birdie | like me, i move much, it would be for me |
| 10:23.42 | Birdie | and knowing is one thing,placing it on a forum after some lost matches and being frustrated is another:) |
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| 10:25.25 | [dmp] | i got a crap mouse, a crap mousepad and a lcd screen. i could imagine that i might improve my performance by a fraction getting better hardware. B |
| 10:27.39 | [dmp] | I just think some people needs to understand that others might just be better |
| 10:31.20 | [dmp] | but until someone tells me that, im gonna judge all players better than me as cheaters. :) |
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| 12:28.43 | Thonolan | hello :) |
| 12:29.03 | [dmp] | hi |
| 12:29.16 | Thonolan | hi dmp thx for tip |
| 12:29.21 | Thonolan | it works now |
| 12:29.25 | Thonolan | :) |
| 12:29.26 | [dmp] | cool :) |
| 12:29.30 | Thonolan | yay |
| 12:29.50 | Thonolan | now enough space |
| 12:30.08 | [dmp] | sometimes i really miss that in windows. |
| 12:30.22 | Thonolan | yes |
| 12:30.30 | [dmp] | have you ever used amiga? |
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| 12:31.04 | Thonolan | yes |
| 12:31.20 | Thonolan | nice stuff |
| 12:31.33 | Thonolan | it gives today a lot off ppl use them |
| 12:31.43 | [dmp] | i really loved the assign commando. With that you could extend "libs:" and other stuff, by just assigning it to more directories |
| 12:32.45 | [dmp] | i looking forward to when i move back (away from uni) so i can play with our amigas again |
| 12:32.53 | Thonolan | yes |
| 12:33.03 | Thonolan | it is a scene of amiga users |
| 12:33.08 | [dmp] | they're probably hopeless outdated, and most of our floppies are broken :) |
| 12:33.18 | Thonolan | :) |
| 12:33.24 | [dmp] | i was very active back then. But not now :( |
| 12:34.21 | Thonolan | ok dmp thx again must go with dog |
| 12:34.28 | Thonolan | she beating me |
| 12:34.30 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:34.37 | [dmp] | cya |
| 12:34.37 | Thonolan | cu l8ter |
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| 15:26.25 | Mr_Molez_ | kierra ! :p |
| 15:26.39 | kierra | :P |
| 15:26.44 | kierra | Im leaving |
| 15:27.33 | kierra | why? |
| 15:27.57 | Mr_Molez | duno |
| 15:28.26 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 15:29.58 | kierra | lunch time, cu later |
| 15:30.06 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.36 | kierra | Senor Molez |
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| 17:09.38 | Death-Barrel | i never said it was a cheat |
| 17:09.43 | Death-Barrel | get your facts straight |
| 17:10.55 | [dmp] | "bzflag mouse enhancements.... (aka mouse enhance cheat)" |
| 17:11.00 | [dmp] | mouse enhance cheat? |
| 17:11.13 | Birdie | aka |
| 17:11.19 | Birdie | = |
| 17:11.21 | Birdie | as known as |
| 17:17.03 | [dmp] | would setting mouse-speed high, be (more or less) the same as using keyboard? |
| 17:19.01 | Death-Barrel | yeah |
| 17:19.07 | Death-Barrel | some view this as a cheat |
| 17:19.49 | Death-Barrel | i don't view this as a cheat, cause it is legal |
| 17:20.28 | [dmp] | well, you wrote it in your post as the topic. You should be surprised people talk about cheat, as its abit extreme to call it a cheat. |
| 17:20.36 | [dmp] | (if that made any sense) |
| 17:20.51 | Death-Barrel | well yeah |
| 17:21.01 | Death-Barrel | it is a little extreme to call it a cheat |
| 17:22.10 | Death-Barrel | everyone is pissed cause i am shareing their secret |
| 17:22.27 | Death-Barrel | the whole point of it is (lets not keep this a secret) |
| 17:22.35 | Death-Barrel | and i get bashed for it |
| 17:23.31 | Death-Barrel | you guys can sit here and think the topic was super stupid (its only speed for the mouse) but that ins't what it is all about |
| 17:23.47 | Death-Barrel | you aren't getting the big picture |
| 17:27.21 | [dmp] | well, you cant blame people for reading what you wrote (not matter if you dont consider it as a cheat). As you wrote "aka cheat" and then later barons and some players was chained together with this method. I wonder you're causing reations, and nobody likes to be chained to cheats (directly or indirectly) |
| 17:27.48 | [dmp] | personally i feel that this is way out of propotions. I dont see the big problem/discovery here. |
| 17:28.48 | [dmp] | Changing radar to your likings, using your favirote screen resolution, getting a high-res mouse etc. Some of it might improve peoples performance. But i find it pretty straight forward |
| 17:29.06 | Death-Barrel | yeah well i think it is out of porportions also |
| 17:29.11 | [dmp] | i know in other games, there is alot of adjusting of mousespeed/accel. to perform well |
| 17:29.55 | Death-Barrel | thats fine, but don't you relaize that the select few using this are always branded as either laggers, or "shots always go through" |
| 17:29.59 | Death-Barrel | this means something |
| 17:30.03 | Death-Barrel | ppl aren't just seeing this |
| 17:30.09 | Death-Barrel | this is the big picture |
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| 17:30.21 | Death-Barrel | hi |zongo| |
| 17:30.47 | |zongo| | hello |
| 17:31.48 | [dmp] | i havnt experience this for the selected few |
| 17:32.50 | [dmp] | but i might be, as i've said before, naiv :) |
| 17:35.24 | Death-Barrel | well im sorry if some of you took my post in the wrong way (it was blown out of porpotion) |
| 17:35.58 | Death-Barrel | it is very hard for me to refrain from not saying anything to ppl like carnage |
| 17:36.13 | Death-Barrel | i did try and keep the cursing to a minimum |
| 17:37.26 | Death-Barrel | |dmp| you may have not noticed it cause most wait and crank it up when they match |
| 17:37.32 | Death-Barrel | some only use it for matches |
| 17:39.40 | Death-Barrel | i will tell you this, i started using it on friday..... since then people have been saying "lag is bad" stuff in that nature, i have been dodging better, been getting missed by shots that should have hit me, i mean how is this explained?? |
| 17:40.12 | Death-Barrel | this is why i post, cause i would feel like a butt if i was the only one or select few using it |
| 17:40.20 | Death-Barrel | it is an added advantage |
| 17:40.39 | Death-Barrel | might seem small, but it is sure huge |
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| 17:56.14 | Ronny | dmp, the command to ghost?:) |
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| 18:07.39 | [dmp] | http://home19.inet.tele.dk/byrgesen/video/war.mpeg :) |
| 18:07.43 | [dmp] | dont bug me if i code :) |
| 18:08.18 | Birdie | usefull;) |
| 18:47.45 | crko | 1vs1? |
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| 18:55.17 | menotume | [dmp]: are you coding ? |
| 18:55.24 | menotume | [dmp]: how are you ? |
| 18:55.32 | menotume | [dmp]: what's up ? |
| 18:55.50 | [dmp] | menotume: coding a running-log application. My first gui application on PC :) |
| 18:56.00 | menotume | oooohhh |
| 18:56.02 | menotume | gtk ? |
| 18:56.26 | [dmp] | depends on the platform |
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| 18:56.33 | [dmp] | i use wxWidgets |
| 18:56.43 | menotume | what is that ? |
| 18:56.56 | menotume | multi-platform ? |
| 18:57.17 | [dmp] | a "abstraction" layer, so that applications use whatever gui library is available/default for the platform |
| 18:57.31 | [dmp] | so that windows applications looks windowish. |
| 18:57.31 | menotume | k |
| 18:57.40 | menotume | language? |
| 18:57.45 | [dmp] | c++ |
| 18:58.40 | menotume | kewl |
| 19:00.50 | orange | what a firestorm db stirred up, eh? It's a very interesting topic |
| 19:01.11 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:01.16 | menotume | yep |
| 19:01.51 | orange | ma,es |
| 19:01.56 | orange | wrong home keys :-) |
| 19:02.07 | Birdie | (thx for deleting shadow) |
| 19:02.47 | menotume | I can't do anthing - can't control my mouse on the desktop - it's all over the place :D |
| 19:03.22 | |zongo| | lol |
| 19:04.14 | orange | some of the responses have truly surprised me |
| 19:04.30 | |zongo| | yeah |
| 19:04.36 | |zongo| | TRB surprised me |
| 19:04.39 | orange | me too |
| 19:04.55 | |zongo| | he never told me the "mouse cheat" lol |
| 19:05.05 | menotume | It would seem that some of the people who have used it for a while, and don't think it's a big deal, didn't like it being made public :P |
| 19:05.09 | orange | that's the question, how do you decide who is "worthy"? |
| 19:05.27 | orange | my post (last one now) addresses that question |
| 19:05.46 | |zongo| | ah ok |
| 19:05.47 | Birdie | not so many knew about that mouse speed thing |
| 19:05.51 | |zongo| | thx orange :) |
| 19:05.57 | Birdie | we all kept it quiet |
| 19:06.05 | Birdie | but mistake came out with it |
| 19:06.06 | Birdie | to db |
| 19:06.12 | Birdie | and db started the discussion |
| 19:06.15 | |zongo| | i didnt mind until i began playing with kb :O) |
| 19:06.22 | orange | well, I'm glad it came out |
| 19:06.26 | |zongo| | me too |
| 19:06.33 | Birdie | you knew it zongo from me |
| 19:06.44 | |zongo| | sry s/kb/mouse |
| 19:06.45 | Birdie | because you started playing with mouse:) |
| 19:06.48 | Death-Barrel | :D |
| 19:06.53 | |zongo| | ya exactgly |
| 19:06.56 | Death-Barrel | mouse cheaters |
| 19:07.03 | Death-Barrel | heeh |
| 19:07.08 | |zongo| | but i never used the speed-thing |
| 19:07.14 | Death-Barrel | well now you can :) |
| 19:07.16 | orange | better put a jk there, db, tempers are running high in some cases |
| 19:07.28 | menotume | yay, orange ! |
| 19:07.32 | Death-Barrel | good idea >>>> (insert j/k here) |
| 19:07.59 | |zongo| | actually thx to Death-Barrel now i know there are such mouse-boosters :O) |
| 19:08.35 | menotume | I have known for a little over a month. On of the top users told me about it - and specifically told me to keep it quiet |
| 19:08.56 | menotume | Although, I told several people, and have even discussed it with some of the devs |
| 19:09.07 | |zongo| | and, what did they say? |
| 19:09.16 | Birdie | its not a cheat-> chestal his post |
| 19:09.20 | Birdie | so they agreed:) |
| 19:09.23 | Birdie | (i think) |
| 19:09.26 | orange | it's not a cheat |
| 19:09.30 | menotume | I have talked with a few top devs about the possibilty of the mouse accell causing a problem in hit-detection |
| 19:09.50 | menotume | right Birdie, the devs say that it can't cause a hit-detection problem |
| 19:09.59 | orange | but keeping something a secret which puts you several levels above other players is not in the normal bzspirit |
| 19:10.00 | menotume | I am still looking into it though |
| 19:10.11 | Birdie | true orange |
| 19:10.18 | Birdie | but if they ask me to do it(they found out) |
| 19:10.22 | orange | I ask again, if the only thing making you beat someone is some secret setting, are you really a better player? |
| 19:10.22 | Birdie | i'll respect that |
| 19:10.27 | menotume | I have put trace code in bzfs, to see if too many MsgPlayUpdates are being sent |
| 19:11.19 | Death-Barrel | Birdie, you are missing the point, it isn't a cheat, i never said it was a cheat, what i said was it can be view as a cheat by some |
| 19:11.38 | |zongo| | i agree |
| 19:11.50 | |zongo| | and i am happy to know the existence of those boosts |
| 19:12.05 | Death-Barrel | well the players using it are pissed at me now :) |
| 19:12.07 | menotume | Right, in the strictest sense, it's not a cheat at all - it's not a mod of the client code |
| 19:12.21 | |zongo| | before that i simply used to put mouse speed to top on my mac prefs |
| 19:12.26 | Death-Barrel | its just the way they handled it |
| 19:12.33 | Death-Barrel | basically it was handled like a cheat |
| 19:12.38 | menotume | but .... I have noticed what APPEARS to be shots going thru - at very close range. |
| 19:12.43 | menotume | DB: right |
| 19:12.46 | orange | Death-Barrel: that's true |
| 19:12.53 | menotume | so secretive |
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| 19:13.36 | Death-Barrel | well lets put it this way, since i was informed about it, how come i can dodge better, not get hit by shots that would usually kill me and how come everyone is complaing about lag now? |
| 19:14.00 | menotume | so, I will continue to investigte the possibility, even though 'hit-detection logic' is beyond me ATM |
| 19:14.04 | |zongo| | Death-Barrel, lemme play u :P |
| 19:14.14 | Birdie | some one ever complained about me ? shots going through etc ? |
| 19:14.15 | Death-Barrel | and all of the people that everyone has been complaing about, they all use this...... so point being, how is it not causing problems? |
| 19:14.16 | Birdie | no.. |
| 19:14.19 | Birdie | although i use it |
| 19:14.33 | |zongo| | lets do a 1vs1 |
| 19:14.43 | Death-Barrel | with the mouse cheat? |
| 19:14.43 | orange | menotume: you know where I'd look? I'd look at some of the dead-reckoning stuff |
| 19:14.45 | Death-Barrel | lol |
| 19:14.54 | |zongo| | yes :P |
| 19:14.56 | Birdie | dotn use the word cheat! |
| 19:15.00 | Death-Barrel | hehe |
| 19:15.04 | Death-Barrel | its a joke |
| 19:15.06 | menotume | orange: dunno |
| 19:15.08 | Death-Barrel | cheater! |
| 19:15.14 | Birdie | stop db |
| 19:15.19 | menotume | it's difficult |
| 19:15.22 | orange | I've ridden with players who use it (now that I know about it I know what I was seeing) for an hour at a time trying to figure out if there was some cheat there |
| 19:15.36 | orange | now that I understand what causes their tank behavior, it makes total sense |
| 19:15.52 | orange | but here's the thing... your client only sends out updates every so often as to your position/orientation |
| 19:16.00 | Death-Barrel | yep |
| 19:16.08 | menotume | orange: my trace indicates that there is no increase in the _number_ of MsgPlayerUpdates being sent - it remains constant at 20/second |
| 19:16.08 | orange | I believe outside of those updates the other clients "guess" as to where you are and where you are facing |
| 19:16.19 | Death-Barrel | it can look like your in one place, but because of the super fast acceleration you actually arent |
| 19:16.21 | orange | menotume: right, but if the movements are move 'violent' |
| 19:16.30 | menotume | orange: but, something has to be limiting them - i don't know yet if it's at the client or the server |
| 19:16.35 | orange | Death-Barrel: exactly, more violent movements make the other client guesses wrong |
| 19:16.41 | Death-Barrel | ye[ |
| 19:16.42 | Death-Barrel | yep |
| 19:16.52 | menotume | orange: yes, or if a MPU is being dropped |
| 19:16.56 | orange | so you look laggy, jumpy, jittery |
| 19:16.57 | Death-Barrel | thats why i don't think it is fair for only the select few to know about |
| 19:17.08 | Death-Barrel | it should be the standard now |
| 19:17.24 | menotume | orange: that's what I would look at, what happens to hit-detection if a critical MPU is dropped |
| 19:17.45 | Death-Barrel | orange, correct, but in actuality to the server, you aren't |
| 19:17.50 | |zongo| | i am on 1vs1 ;P |
| 19:17.55 | Death-Barrel | ok z i am comming |
| 19:18.09 | orange | menotume: what I'm saying is that they're not dropped... just that they aren't being sent fast enough ever to handle the level of violent changes that this mouse setting creates |
| 19:19.12 | menotume | orange: well, since there seems to be some kind of throttle on how many are being sent, then some are being dropped. |
| 19:19.55 | menotume | my question would be, if at the client, are the coords being fudged to make things ok, or is it just dropping some to keep them at 20.second? |
| 19:20.08 | Mr_Molez | i doubt .3 of a second will make much difference :| |
| 19:20.34 | Mr_Molez | sorry .03 |
| 19:21.01 | menotume | I'll try to get trace into the client today |
| 19:22.51 | menotume | for a manual test - try shooting the modded client at different emulations |
| 19:23.07 | [dmp] | wouldnt the problems (if there is some) of rapid change of direction/speed because of faster mouse-movements, also be true for keyboard? |
| 19:23.28 | Mr_Molez | yes ! |
| 19:23.50 | menotume | if you can hit the keys fast enough |
| 19:24.34 | Mr_Molez | but still .. the acceleration is the same |
| 19:24.56 | Mr_Molez | which is the arguement ? |
| 19:25.02 | menotume | I think it may be all about the 'limit' |
| 19:25.47 | orange | should be interesting to watch it develop |
| 19:25.49 | menotume | ie: events happening faster than 20/second, yet only 20 MPUs/second being sent |
| 19:26.26 | menotume | and, factor in lag |
| 19:27.45 | [dmp] | i think the "udp" feed makes more problem than this (out-of-order packets, dropped, and lag) |
| 19:28.04 | menotume | true |
| 19:28.19 | menotume | but, when a packet is dropped, you see the problem |
| 19:28.51 | menotume | dropped packets cause a lot of 'WTF's |
| 19:29.26 | [dmp] | if events are send 20 times a second, im not sure i would be able to see it always. Sometimes yes |
| 19:29.29 | menotume | you don't see a tank behaving badly when it's droppping packets ? |
| 19:29.44 | orange | yes, even 1% causes serious jumpiness |
| 19:29.56 | orange | and 40ms jitter is horrible |
| 19:30.00 | menotume | :) |
| 19:30.09 | orange | that's .04 seconds, btw |
| 19:30.21 | orange | and it causes tanks to look ill |
| 19:31.51 | [dmp] | except it causes lag and is annoying etc. |
| 19:31.52 | menotume | dunno - could be, mabt not |
| 19:32.18 | orange | jitter doesn't relate to the speedy mouse "thing" |
| 19:32.20 | Mr_Molez | 0.4 ?? 0.33 ?? |
| 19:32.37 | Mr_Molez | .04 ?? 0.33 ? |
| 19:32.53 | orange | 40ms is 0.04 seconds |
| 19:32.58 | orange | is that what you're asking? |
| 19:33.08 | Mr_Molez | umm |
| 19:33.13 | Mr_Molez | ms goes up to 60 dont it ? |
| 19:33.25 | orange | ms is milliseconds |
| 19:33.29 | orange | millionths of a second |
| 19:33.39 | orange | err, thousandths |
| 19:33.42 | Mr_Molez | ahh |
| 19:34.01 | orange | 1ms = 0.001 seconds |
| 19:34.15 | menotume | (confused) |
| 19:35.01 | orange | menotume: while I generally agree, it's the varying lag that indicates that network packets might be bunching up |
| 19:35.09 | orange | which leads to weird tank movement |
| 19:35.20 | orange | noticable enough to the naked eye |
| 19:35.33 | menotume | yes, well it does seem to be c combination of lag and mouse accell |
| 19:36.05 | orange | you're saying 20 packets/second is normal rate? |
| 19:36.14 | orange | but it can be throttled if the player isn't moving? |
| 19:36.27 | menotume | in my test, I joined and just moved bak&forth as quick as I could |
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| 19:36.40 | menotume | yes, much less if not moving |
| 19:36.48 | [dmp] | My jitter is always bouncing, so i doubt if i use mouse-cheat, it would be visible :) |
| 19:37.08 | menotume | [dmp]: you mean you're not sure ? |
| 19:37.10 | menotume | :) |
| 19:37.27 | TOKIMI | we on the "mouse cheat" item? |
| 19:37.35 | orange | we're not calling it mouse cheat |
| 19:37.37 | menotume | mouse cheat? what's that ? |
| 19:37.41 | TOKIMI | lol |
| 19:37.42 | [dmp] | menotume: im pretty sure :) |
| 19:37.45 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:37.54 | TOKIMI | we on the "faster mouse and its implications towards bzplay" |
| 19:38.00 | TOKIMI | lol |
| 19:38.04 | orange | I call it the "mouse thing" |
| 19:38.13 | TOKIMI | works for me |
| 19:38.22 | menotume | orange: all I did was use my new timestamp option, and put a DEBUG on all MsgPlayUpdates received |
| 19:38.29 | [dmp] | but thats just me :) |
| 19:38.35 | TOKIMI | meh |
| 19:38.48 | TOKIMI | it just saves me a bunch of mouse movement because of my small desk |
| 19:38.49 | orange | menotume: ah, cool |
| 19:39.29 | menotume | that's why I added milliseconds to the timestamp (as an option) - for this kind of debugging :) |
| 19:39.53 | orange | here's the way I see, TOKIMI... it's not a cheat, it's not in any way wrong. It's not even wrong to not volunteer the information. It's not even wrong to not directly answer if asked. But when you add up the secrecy and effectiveness of the change for some players, it has been treated just like a cheat by some players. |
| 19:40.11 | TOKIMI | yeah |
| 19:40.15 | TOKIMI | i did like yoru post |
| 19:40.24 | menotume | right, what he said :) |
| 19:40.30 | TOKIMI | i dont see it as a cheat |
| 19:40.35 | TOKIMI | and even |
| 19:40.35 | Mr_Molez | so what about people who have the radar like 40 times the size.. that makes the window small.. so smaller mouse movements also make the mouse move more |
| 19:40.58 | TOKIMI | lol |
| 19:41.03 | TOKIMI | i cant play with out my big radar |
| 19:41.03 | Mr_Molez | if that makes sense |
| 19:41.10 | Mr_Molez | me neither |
| 19:41.10 | orange | it's not a cheat, nor is big radar |
| 19:41.17 | TOKIMI | of course not |
| 19:41.21 | TOKIMI | how can it be? |
| 19:41.23 | TOKIMI | its all settings |
| 19:41.28 | menotume | Mr_Molez: it makes sense, but it seems to make a difference of the accell is outside of the client |
| 19:41.38 | TOKIMI | handed down to us from the Dev gods... :-P |
| 19:42.03 | Mr_Molez | really all the acceleration is doing is making the mouse move to the top of the screen faster.. on big radar the same happens because the view window is so small |
| 19:42.06 | menotume | all this bz-talk makes me want to go to work |
| 19:42.13 | menotume | (work = playing bz) |
| 19:42.18 | TOKIMI | LOL |
| 19:42.19 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 19:42.23 | orange | TOKIMI, et al, here's a question for you... you can crank your radarsize larger than the gui allows by editing your config |
| 19:42.26 | menotume | Mr_Molez: have you tried it ? |
| 19:42.38 | orange | is that cheating? |
| 19:42.38 | Mr_Molez | menotume: well its very noticable |
| 19:42.42 | TOKIMI | er |
| 19:42.48 | TOKIMI | why woudl it be? |
| 19:43.03 | TOKIMI | the config file is just where the gui options are stored. |
| 19:43.03 | orange | TOKIMI, because almost nobody would ever know to do it |
| 19:43.08 | TOKIMI | i dunno |
| 19:43.11 | orange | it's not allowed to go that high in the gui |
| 19:43.19 | orange | is the gui the limit? |
| 19:43.28 | TOKIMI | my hardcore gaming friends, in other fps, all edit their config settings |
| 19:43.39 | TOKIMI | and tehy all hunt for config files to edit |
| 19:43.42 | orange | I'm not saying it's a cheat... I'm asking if anyone else thinks it is :-) |
| 19:43.47 | Mr_Molez | i dont |
| 19:43.48 | Mr_Molez | :p |
| 19:43.52 | TOKIMI | well |
| 19:43.53 | TOKIMI | not me |
| 19:43.59 | TOKIMI | i find it funny thoug |
| 19:44.20 | TOKIMI | iv had people say i was better and more aggressive back BEFORE i changed my map/mouse settings |
| 19:44.31 | TOKIMI | those upgraids have just made me more consistent |
| 19:45.35 | TOKIMI | i dont know meno |
| 19:45.54 | TOKIMI | all this talk of seriouse stuff on the forums has made me NOT want to play bz |
| 19:46.51 | orange | this kind of thing comes and goes all the time |
| 19:49.06 | TOKIMI | does linux automaticly take care of daylightsavings? |
| 19:49.16 | orange | usually |
| 19:49.18 | TOKIMI | hmmm |
| 19:49.22 | orange | depends on if you screwed up the setting though :-) |
| 19:49.25 | TOKIMI | apparently mine didnt |
| 19:49.27 | TOKIMI | ah |
| 19:49.32 | TOKIMI | theres my prob |
| 19:50.29 | TOKIMI | oh well, g2g , laters mates |
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