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| 01:08.18 | Delusional | Reporting From the Land of The ARM-processor MAc Mini⦠first thing I did was download BZFlag, try it⦠Mostly good things to report. |
| 01:08.43 | Delusional | Loumamâs Channel Crossing seems to run perfectly. |
| 01:08.57 | Delusional | with fog and rain. |
| 01:10.27 | Delusional | Servers with old-style no frill maps⦠run perfectly. |
| 01:12.40 | blast007 | nice |
| 01:13.04 | Delusional | the only problemâs Iâm seeing right off the bat, are with transparencyâ¦. teleporters seem fine, but the windows on âironside battlefeildâ are blinking on and off |
| 01:13.32 | Delusional | planet Mofo⦠thatâs another story completely |
| 01:14.16 | Delusional | massive frame jumps⦠itâs jumping like 6 or 8 frames at a time when i look at the center of the map |
| 01:14.33 | Delusional | some pyramids appear and disappear |
| 01:15.50 | Delusional | anything specific you want me to test? |
| 01:16.56 | blast007 | I'd be curious what Rat's Nest looks like and what FPS you get |
| 01:17.07 | blast007 | (with radar and chat console turned on) |
| 01:18.14 | Delusional | 600FPS at mad city, original grape version |
| 01:18.16 | JeffM[m] | you haven't published your newer GL1.5 branch yet have you? |
| 01:19.02 | JeffM[m] | but it sounds like they did implement some GL code mapping in Rosetta 2 |
| 01:20.02 | Delusional | itâs giving frame time in fractions of a millisecond, i hvent seen that before⦠it says âtime 1.40/1.41.1.41 msâ |
| 01:20.21 | blast007 | JeffM[m]: nope |
| 01:20.47 | JeffM[m] | wonder if that has better behavor, it may use fewer old calls. |
| 01:21.25 | blast007 | I wonder if they support OpenGL when building native ARM binaries |
| 01:21.36 | Delusional | ratâs nest next.. image downloads are slow |
| 01:21.51 | blast007 | yeah.. I think one of my load balancers isn't happy |
| 01:21.53 | JeffM[m] | that was my next question, is GL only in the translation layer, or did they include headers. |
| 01:26.53 | Delusional | ratâs nest is good⦠no problems with semi-transparent lightsâ¦. went into a far corner and it almost holds 60FPS when aimed into the center, goes up to 90 when i turn into the corner |
| 01:27.08 | Delusional | not seeing any problems there, at all. |
| 01:27.25 | blast007 | what resolution? |
| 01:29.09 | Delusional | iâm on a 1080p plasma TV at the moment |
| 01:30.39 | Delusional | BZ says 1920*1080 |
| 01:32.32 | Delusional | no i see some of the brackets on the walls are disappearing and reappearing |
| 01:32.53 | Delusional | tried five resolutions in BZ, they all seem good |
| 01:33.35 | JeffM[m] | yeah, the machine is going to have the HP to run bz, the main question I had was how compatible was the OpenGL Impelmentation. |
| 01:35.21 | Delusional | going to âmediumâ quality graphics boosts fps 20 frames |
| 01:36.47 | Delusional | Winnyâs drawinfo rotatng tanks seem perfect |
| 01:40.13 | JeffM[m] | Good for apple on implmenting at least a big chunk of GL 1.0 |
| 01:43.56 | Delusional | anything else you want me to test? |
| 01:46.27 | JeffM[m] | doing a build :) |
| 01:47.07 | blast007 | I'm updating to Xcode 12.2 right now |
| 01:47.40 | Delusional | I havent built BZ in almost ten years, Iâll try it if you guide me through it step by step |
| 01:48.25 | blast007 | Delusional: I'll just try it here and see if it even builds |
| 01:48.38 | blast007 | if it does, I'll give it to you to see if it runs |
| 01:48.49 | Delusional | ok |
| 02:53.17 | blast007 | "OpenGL is deprecated, but is available on Apple silicon." https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/porting_your_macos_apps_to_apple_silicon |
| 02:56.34 | blast007 | realized I'll need arm64 versions of our dependencies |
| 03:03.18 | JeffM[m] | blast007: yeah but "However, this support may be removed in a future version of macOS, so migration to newer technologies is recommended." |
| 03:12.06 | macsforme | Delusional: you said the new Mac mini can't output over 60Hz? |
| 03:12.57 | JeffM[m] | it's got HDMI |
| 03:14.50 | JeffM[m] | apple's site says 60hz at 4k via HDMI 2.0 |
| 03:18.21 | blast007 | I would imagine it can go beyond 60hz at lower resolutions. HDMI 2.0 just maxes out at 60hz for 4K without dropping to a lower quality subsampling. |
| 03:18.33 | JeffM[m] | probably |
| 03:18.39 | blast007 | HDMI 2.0 can do 144hz at 1440p |
| 03:32.06 | macsforme | oh HDMI, sure... but why would you do that to yourself? :-P |
| 03:32.15 | blast007 | might be able to do 240hz at 1440p over displayport or 120 at 4k |
| 03:32.41 | JeffM[m] | yeah the thunderbolt 4 port should go to DP just fine |
| 03:32.46 | blast007 | (I'm looking purely at what DisplayPort 1.4 should be able to do, not necessarily what they allow) |
| 03:33.10 | macsforme | anyway, whenever Macs get new GPUs there are always graphical glitches at first, so that is not surprising |
| 03:33.14 | blast007 | sounds like you can only have one display connected to the thunderbolt ports though? |
| 03:33.48 | JeffM[m] | macsforme: except that it's the GPU from an iphone, it's not really "new" |
| 03:34.29 | macsforme | new in this kind of implementation |
| 03:34.43 | JeffM[m] | new with this OSs drivers |
| 03:35.03 | macsforme | bzflag runs on my iPhone just fine ;-) |
| 03:35.34 | JeffM[m] | run that port on the M1 and I bet it runs better ;) |
| 03:36.24 | macsforme | I bet they still won't support GLES on macOS, even using ARM |
| 03:36.54 | JeffM[m] | probably not |
| 03:37.10 | JeffM[m] | I bet they wont' support anything GL unless the have to, and only for one OS cycle |
| 03:39.52 | blast007 | wouldn't they support it for iOS apps? |
| 03:40.09 | JeffM[m] | maybe only under ios emulation |
| 03:40.26 | macsforme | I can't think of many examples of where deprecated APIs actually stopped working... I guess the Carbon API, but only because they never made it a 64-bit, and they finally dropped support for 32-bit applications in Catalina |
| 03:40.58 | JeffM[m] | it's not just an API in this case, it needs display driver support |
| 04:10.02 | macsforme | oh, they do still support Carbon |
| 04:11.39 | blast007 | I'm not quite sure how to get it to build for arm. |
| 04:12.27 | blast007 | I'm using Xcode 12.2, but it's still only showing Intel for me and even a new test app (command line program, C++) is only building for Intel when I do a release build |
| 04:15.37 | JeffM[m] | do they even support cross compiling? |
| 04:15.59 | JeffM[m] | well they must for ios |
| 04:16.51 | blast007 | "You can build a universal binary on either an Apple silicon or Intel-based Mac computer" |
| 04:17.14 | blast007 | maybe I need to be running Big Sur? |
| 04:17.39 | blast007 | they don't mention that in that porting page though.. |
| 04:18.01 | JeffM[m] | from what I hear apple dev documentation has taken a turn for the worse in the past few years |
| 04:18.50 | blast007 | guess I'll see about installing Big Sur on an external drive |
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| 22:06.38 | tupone | blast007: have you got some time to test the change to speed up the radar (GL2.0) ? |
| 22:18.39 | blast007 | not yet |
| 22:20.23 | tupone | ok. I think the radar is now a lot faster (at least without shot) |