IRC log for #bzflag on 20201119

00:02.04DelusionalSo when I unwrap that M1-chip mac mini tomorrow…. I just download some BZ and bash some tanks into fragments…. right?
00:02.44The_Noah_Aren't the new Macs ARM based?
00:02.50JeffM[m]You'll be the first one to probably find out how well Rosetta2 works with old openGL calls :)
00:02.59JeffM[m]They are
00:03.01Delusionalif you dont chiise the intel chip
00:03.35JeffM[m]all the info apple has said is that "games just run"
00:03.48JeffM[m]I have my personal doubts, but that's what they said
00:04.34Delusionalprobably too busy tomorrow to do the setup…. likely friday I can report
00:05.30Delusionalthey said many games run faster under rosetta2
00:05.43JeffM[m]I'd be curious about several things, 1) does the current build work? 2) Does it even compile in xcode for arm? 3) how does the performance compare.
00:05.50JeffM[m]Apple says a lot of stuff :)
00:06.22JeffM[m]and I wonder if those games that do run faster have Metal backends, because they made the GPU in the SOC optimized for metal2
00:06.26Delusionalcompiling will likely be too tall amountain for me to climb
00:07.07Delusionalsays it’s 8-core and 8-GPU’s
00:07.21Delusionalin a MAC MINI! that blows my mind
00:07.34JeffM[m]I have wondered if all that talk about desupporting open GL and only supporting metal moving forward is because of the arm transition and them not wanting to do GL drivers for the new GPUs.
00:07.46JeffM[m]it's big/little 8 cores
00:07.50JeffM[m]4 bit, 4 little
00:07.54JeffM[m]big
00:08.26JeffM[m]it's an overclocked iphone12 CPU efectivly
00:09.13DelusionalDon’t forget Big Sur, OSX 11
00:09.14JeffM[m]no ram upgrades ether, the memory is literally on the SOC chip. and no external GPUs vai thunderbolt.
00:09.37JeffM[m]heh, yeah the OS that our IT had to tell everyone to not install or the VPN would break for them? :)
00:11.07Delusionallots of reports that Big Sur is bricking pre-2014 machines
00:11.09blast007Big Sur was bricking some Macbook Pros too
00:11.10JeffM[m]Apple has done CPU changes before, so I'm sure they can do it. I just worry if they are going to take the opportunity to raise and fortify the walls of the garden at the same time.
00:11.49blast007(in the real sense - it was actually messing up some chip on the I/O board)
00:12.23JeffM[m]At some point I'm sure I'll be given a mac to work on, at least to test stuff.
00:12.44JeffM[m]Like frying the pram or something?
00:14.29Delusionalneed a recommendation on a over-30 inch monitor, hopefully less than $500
00:14.42blast007dunno.  seems that unplugging the I/O board was letting the system boot again.
00:14.45JeffM[m]flat or curved?
00:15.18DelusionalI want 4k-size, not ultrawide…. wouldn’t mind curved
00:15.41JeffM[m]ultrawide is where it's at :)
00:15.43Delusionalthat might mean 5k
00:16.09DelusionalI’d need a new desk with ultrawide
00:17.20JeffM[m]I have one of these, it's very nice
00:17.22JeffM[m]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0812DKDD9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
00:17.38JeffM[m]it's1440p ultrawide
00:18.11JeffM[m]it fits fine on a normal sized ikea desk
00:18.25JeffM[m]the curve is great for games. odd for work
00:18.43Delusionalneed HDMI version 2, or displau port… hoping for USB-c
00:19.09JeffM[m]you mean thunderbolt?
00:20.37JeffM[m]but you can get cables that go from USBC connector to display port easy.
00:20.59JeffM[m]or a dock that'll give you DP outputs
00:21.02Delusionalhowabout this one  https://www.amazon.com/Sceptre-Curved-32-inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B088GWZ6YD/ref=psdc_1292115011_t3_B0812DKDD9?th=1
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00:21.22JeffM[m]that's just a 1080p display
00:21.50Delusionaloh it’s only 1080p
00:21.58JeffM[m]I wonder if the macs support freesync
00:22.56Delusionalthere’s just so many monitors to choose from, it’s crazy
00:25.22JeffM[m]You'll also want to make sure the USB-C connector is for display, and not well.. USB devices like a hub.
00:28.46blast007"Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C"
00:29.16JeffM[m]Then a cable should do the trick
00:30.57JeffM[m]Wow, apple really wants me to get an Apple Card and buy a new phone and mac....
00:33.11Delusionalthey are pushing that apple card like it’s crack
00:33.32JeffM[m]they gotta get some of that 15% back somehow
00:50.13Delusional$500 is not gonna cut it  
00:56.42JeffM[m]For 4k, yeah that may be right
00:56.51JeffM[m]Tight
01:12.15Delusionalhttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YGZ7C1K/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=bestforphotog-20&th=1
01:14.31JeffM[m]Used
01:14.41JeffM[m]I’d be leery of that
01:22.34Delusional553.75 new on eby
01:30.37JeffM[m]Or spend less and just get a display port to usb cable
01:59.46Delusionalwhat’s with those lights on the back of the scepter?!?!?!  seeing a lot of reports that the LG works nice with macs and even has mac-specific features…   and I really like the up-and-down-stand… the macmini can’t use more than 60hz….
02:01.55JeffM[m]I don’t recall mine having any real lights on it.
02:02.11JeffM[m]It’s packed in a box now for moving
02:03.05Foo_man_chooHow can you guys stand such small monitors?!?? XD [ducks]
02:04.59JeffM[m]Because we like pixels per inch not pixels per foot, and our eyes work ;)
02:06.09Foo_man_chooZING!
02:06.34Foo_man_choo8~d
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02:07.07JeffM[m]I’ve also found it hit or miss with using tvs as displays, mostly with overscan
02:07.11DelusionalIt’s the LG for me… 585 after tax
02:08.41JeffM[m]Hope it works out well
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