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| 01:09.29 | JeffM | without the need for the web map downloader, that can signigant cleanups to the entire process |
| 01:10.44 | JeffM | now I need to rethink the entire connection process. |
| 01:16.24 | macsforme | I think the GLEW change should go into 2.4 |
| 01:20.14 | macsforme | when we did a feature freeze on 2.0 because new development went into 2.2 (or was it 2.99?), there was a lot of frustration because good improvements that could have gone into 2.0 were being refused, and 2.2 dragged on and then was never released |
| 01:20.55 | JeffM | it's fine if it goes into 2.4, it should just also go into master at the same time |
| 01:20.59 | macsforme | I think it would be a mistake to repeat that |
| 01:21.08 | macsforme | sure |
| 01:27.01 | JeffM | I don't think there should be an issue with people putting stuff in 2.4, there should just be 2 exepections with it, 1) that you also need to do master at the same time, and 2) in a perfect world the 2.4 version will never be released, so don't assume that there will be one. :) |
| 01:45.16 | JeffM | ok, I think this will work for world streaming https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3x0Q5tAk/ |
| 01:52.03 | JeffM | 6 total messages https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QTcNOjhb/ |
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| 03:33.14 | JeffM | any suggestions for large maps to test? |
| 03:39.16 | allejo | louman maps? |
| 03:40.23 | JeffM | got one that is large but doesn't have a bunch of textures? |
| 03:40.48 | BulletCatcher | Lasermania is large and uses mostly default textures. |
| 03:41.16 | allejo | try Clay Hills. one of the largest maps I host https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=16306&p=172143 |
| 03:41.46 | allejo | there's almost louman's Churchyard |
| 03:42.07 | allejo | or louman's Home Sweet Home |
| 03:42.08 | BulletCatcher | Large as in lots of objects or large as in physical size? Lasermania is more of the latter. |
| 03:42.49 | blast007 | Louman's Metropolis is 1.4MB, and this map is 2.6MB: http://static.bzexcess.com/boxie_warz.bzw |
| 03:42.59 | JeffM | large as in byte size of the binary data sent to the client |
| 03:43.06 | JeffM | so object count |
| 03:43.11 | blast007 | boxie is probably big for that then |
| 03:43.40 | JeffM | thanks |
| 03:44.07 | blast007 | 10k boxes |
| 03:44.40 | blast007 | it was one I had made specifically to test fastmap :) |
| 03:45.05 | allejo | oh is that the one with just rows and rows of boxes in a circle? |
| 03:45.42 | blast007 | yeah, I think it was a big cylinder made out of randomly created cardboard boxes |
| 03:45.57 | JeffM | ohh yeah that sucker does not parse fast :) |
| 03:46.03 | allejo | lol |
| 03:46.04 | blast007 | I was gonna do a full parody of Boxy Wars, but got bored |
| 03:46.27 | JeffM | 495729 bytes in binary |
| 03:46.41 | JeffM | much better than my 760 byte test map |
| 03:48.17 | JeffM | how long does that normaly take to send? |
| 03:49.37 | blast007 | no idea |
| 03:49.46 | JeffM | trying in 2.4 |
| 03:49.52 | JeffM | because in my version it's nearly instant |
| 03:50.17 | JeffM | yeah, I don't even see the download meter |
| 03:50.27 | JeffM | takes about 15 seconsd in 2.5 |
| 03:50.32 | allejo | you hipster kids with speedy internet |
| 03:50.39 | JeffM | this is local |
| 03:51.06 | JeffM | well it seems to work, so I can check it in and let people test it |
| 03:51.07 | blast007 | 15 seconds in 2.4? |
| 03:51.18 | JeffM | in debug from a local server yeah |
| 03:51.51 | allejo | JeffM: connect to bzflag.allejo.io:4210 |
| 03:52.08 | JeffM | allejo: that doens't give me a comparission |
| 03:52.24 | JeffM | I'd need my code on the same server |
| 03:52.46 | allejo | ah |
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| 03:55.24 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15JeffM2501 opened pull request #142: refactor map transfer system to be much faster (06master...06master) 02https://git.io/vhZOX |
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| 03:55.47 | JeffM | that should also be the start of being able to do inline map changes |
| 03:55.57 | JeffM | just need to get all the tanks off the map |
| 03:57.37 | blast007 | huh.. so somehow I managed to screw up the source archives for 2.4.14... it has the 2.4.13 title logo.. |
| 03:58.47 | JeffM | blast007: so now http processing can be removed |
| 03:58.51 | allejo | does the master branch compile on linux? i'm getting "MsgStrings.cxx:140:24: error: âMsgGrabFlagâ was not declared in this scope" |
| 03:59.05 | JeffM | no clue |
| 04:00.03 | JeffM | where is that file? |
| 04:00.10 | allejo | src/game |
| 04:00.34 | JeffM | that file is not build on windows |
| 04:00.40 | JeffM | I wonder what it thinks it does |
| 04:01.20 | JeffM | the only include reference is in NetHandler.cxx and is commented out |
| 04:01.26 | JeffM | I don't think that file is neded |
| 04:02.16 | allejo | yea doesn't seem that way. it's still in the makefiles |
| 04:02.40 | allejo | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/search?q=MsgStrings&unscoped_q=MsgStrings |
| 04:02.42 | blast007 | it is used in rrlog.cxx |
| 04:02.58 | blast007 | (but that's a separate util) |
| 04:03.04 | JeffM | ok, I'll fix it |
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| 04:04.49 | JeffM | that should do it |
| 04:06.21 | allejo | bzflag.allejo.io:4209 running 2.5.x and 4210 running 2.4.x; both for boxie |
| 04:08.44 | JeffM | 2.4 does about 1% every second |
| 04:08.57 | JeffM | 2.5 does 25% every second, but locks up :) |
| 04:09.05 | JeffM | so looks like it still needs debuggin |
| 04:09.33 | JeffM | I'll work on it |
| 04:09.43 | JeffM | it may need a timeout check |
| 04:09.48 | allejo | :) |
| 04:09.59 | allejo | can I take them down? |
| 04:10.03 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:10.18 | JeffM | I can run it on my server later to test |
| 04:11.06 | allejo | :D |
| 04:11.39 | JeffM | well it's for sure faster |
| 04:12.54 | JeffM | or the send buffer on the server is too full |
| 04:13.07 | JeffM | could make it wait a little |
| 04:15.58 | blast007 | I guess I hadn't done another pull after I merged the PR that bumped the title image |
| 04:16.37 | blast007 | shall fix that tomorrow |
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| 04:49.39 | macsforme | so if we're considering OpenGL ES support for our graphics, we also want to consider touch interface support for our menus, I assume? |
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| 10:40.58 | blast007 | macsforme: not necessarily for 2.6. I just wanted us to keep ES support in mind if we were intending to support that as we rework our GL code. |
| 12:26.00 | blast007 | If we target OpenGL 3.2, is there a reason not to target 3.3? I'm not seeing any GPUs that only support 3.2. For Intel, it jumps from 2.1 to 3.1 to 4. For nVidia/AMD, it jumps from 2.1 to 3.3. |
| 12:51.14 | blast007 | (I don't actually know if there's features in 3.3 we'd use) |
| 12:55.06 | blast007 | hmm... maybe macOS before 10.9 only did OpenGL 3.2, according to https://developer.apple.com/opengl/OpenGL-Capabilities-Tables.pdf |
| 15:00.33 | JeffM | any idea how to fix this? : not foundh: 75: ./autogen.sh: |
| 15:00.33 | JeffM | ./autogen.sh: 213: ./autogen.sh: Syntax error: "elif" unexpected (expecting "then") |
| 15:15.27 | blast007 | is that with the autogen.sh in trunk? |
| 15:15.48 | blast007 | sorry, in master? :) |
| 15:16.05 | blast007 | (regressed to SVN terms for a moment there) |
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| 15:41.41 | JeffM | so what is the utility MsgStrings is used with? |
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| 18:08.11 | JeffM | ahhhhhh server kicks you if your send list is too big |
| 18:08.15 | JeffM | ok, I"ll break it up |
| 18:10.33 | JeffM | it only allows 20k per player to be buffered up |
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| 18:14.02 | JeffM | I am going to increase the buffer size, but I will have it dole it out in smaller chunks. |
| 18:15.01 | JeffM | it'll load the buffer up with 20k of world, then every bzfs cycle it'll check to see if there is 10k or less in the outbound and if so add another 20k |
| 18:15.10 | JeffM | should keep it pretty consistent |
| 18:16.49 | blast007 | did 2.99.x have better handling of send buffers? |
| 18:16.58 | JeffM | yes, I had redone it all |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM | but it was way more buggy |
| 18:17.17 | JeffM | remember I redid all the message handling |
| 18:17.23 | blast007 | k |
| 18:17.29 | JeffM | every message had an object |
| 18:17.40 | JeffM | and they were stored as objects untill the outbound buffer was ready to send them |
| 18:17.48 | JeffM | it was prep for threads |
| 18:18.27 | JeffM | I am also making it try harder to get the map |
| 18:18.50 | JeffM | if the cache is bad, or has a bad MD5, it's going to try the server at least once. instead of just giving up. |
| 18:19.29 | blast007 | awesome |
| 18:20.35 | JeffM | other than the MsgStrings thing, all warnings should be good on linux now |
| 18:20.44 | JeffM | I'd really like to know what it's used for |
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| 19:13.52 | JeffM | almost got it worked out |
| 19:14.04 | JeffM | have a packing problem where its' off by 4 bytes |
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| 19:23.02 | JeffM | ok, so that makes it actualy work on linux |
| 19:23.05 | JeffM | and it is faster |
| 19:23.11 | JeffM | but not quite as fast as it could be |
| 19:23.24 | JeffM | the server loop latency is not high, so I need to fix that |
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| 19:33.58 | spldart | Lemme see if I can crash my OC building.... Didn't we use to call it 'head' instead of 'master' or is there a diff between what I'm thinking and what master is? |
| 19:34.42 | spldart | oOo.. build failed :) Prolly my OC |
| 19:39.30 | spldart | Ah. Google knows all |
| 19:42.52 | tupone | anything better then glm ? Are we ready to use it on bzflag ? |
| 19:50.22 | spldart | :) IC all the MsgStrings.cxx: 's |
| 19:52.55 | spldart | Sry. prolly being a bother. Back to "The Expanse" marathon ;) |
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| 21:53.43 | Zehra | I'm not sure if I am missing something, but seems like I can't set a zone for rabbits and hunters to spawn. |
| 21:53.56 | Zehra | Or at least hunters. :/ |
| 21:54.30 | Zehra | Something which is also confusing me a bit is how to limit the amount of hunters, without total players being limited. |
| 21:55.02 | Zehra | I'd like to allow observers to join, but limit hunters and rabbits to 4 players. |
| 21:55.35 | Zehra | (A plug-in could do this, but I'm not sure if there is a way to do this via options, in the map file.) |
| 22:28.25 | JeffM | I don't think they are real teams in 2.4 are they? |
| 22:40.57 | Juesto | the real team is rouge i think |
| 22:41.06 | Juesto | or rather, hunters |
| 22:41.20 | Juesto | the rabbit is done on demand i think |
| 22:41.32 | JeffM | they are real teams in master |
| 22:41.37 | Juesto | oh |
| 22:41.43 | Juesto | well previously |
| 22:47.42 | JeffM | blast007: can I get rid of rrlog? |
| 22:59.43 | spldart | Card ordered. OpenGL4.4/DirectX12. Firmly a few years ago XD? |
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| 23:06.32 | JeffM | the speed still isn't super great for big maps right now |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM | meidum sized maps go super fast |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM | I'll continue to work on it |
| 23:07.03 | JeffM | it at least SENDS the entire map now and it all works |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM | it just does it in spurts |
| 23:23.18 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, kill rrlog |