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| 00:30.07 | Zehra | thinks of option in BZFlag to disable GUI and only enable radar |
| 00:31.20 | Foo_man_choo | waxes nostalgic |
| 00:31.22 | blast007 | you mean to disable the 3D view? The GUI is the interface elements that overlay the screen. |
| 00:32.07 | Zehra | Yes, the 3D view. |
| 00:32.26 | blast007 | why not just play Asteroid then? |
| 00:32.39 | Foo_man_choo | :) |
| 00:33.04 | Zehra | Kind of thinking of a full screen radar option. |
| 00:33.13 | blast007 | It's a 3D game. Deal with it. :) |
| 00:33.29 | blast007 | if anything, the radar should be gimped |
| 00:34.00 | Foo_man_choo | The seed was BattleZone... So... Make a new game? |
| 00:34.51 | Zehra | I'll probably write a game, after completing programming. |
| 00:34.59 | kierra | misses the full screen radar of years ago |
| 00:35.12 | Foo_man_choo | o_O |
| 00:36.05 | blast007 | kierra: just wait until I eliminate the advantage that editing the config provides ;D |
| 00:36.27 | kierra | plies blast007 with sugar/candy/junkfood |
| 00:37.46 | kierra | I miss learner, brlcad |
| 00:37.55 | Zehra | The option of disabling radar is provided, so perhaps disabling 3D view would be an option. (In the future.) |
| 00:38.04 | blast007 | Zehra: nope |
| 00:38.59 | Foo_man_choo | it would be... wrong.. |
| 00:39.18 | kierra | hi spladarty dart dart |
| 00:39.35 | Foo_man_choo | I like the way you say spladarty dart ;) |
| 00:39.49 | blast007 | while we're at it, let's just make it all turn based |
| 00:40.09 | blast007 | and replace flags with cards |
| 00:40.18 | kierra | i''ll take the Aces |
| 00:40.22 | Foo_man_choo | Yu gi oh |
| 00:40.41 | Foo_man_choo | My tank casts!!!! |
| 00:40.51 | Foo_man_choo | fiery deomon blast |
| 00:41.38 | Zehra | A decent game of hearts would be nice. |
| 00:43.01 | the_map | except for the heartless among us |
| 00:43.19 | Zehra | Would a patch to disable 3D view and permit full-screen radar be considered a 'cheat' ? |
| 00:43.30 | Foo_man_choo | proto break |
| 00:43.31 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:44.06 | Foo_man_choo | you |
| 00:44.21 | Foo_man_choo | d need your own servers and your own version and stuff |
| 00:44.46 | KaadmY | Zehra: you can make the radar+console full opacity and use max size |
| 00:44.53 | KaadmY | It'll make the 3d view like 10 pixels tall |
| 00:45.29 | Zehra | KaadmY: Thanks, I'll see if this will work for me. |
| 00:45.30 | Foo_man_choo | Heck. You wouldn't prolly be allowed on the list server even then cuz you would be kinda lame XD |
| 00:45.47 | Foo_man_choo | sry.. kidding |
| 00:46.17 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: but.. we let you use the list |
| 00:46.21 | blast007 | ducks |
| 00:46.39 | Foo_man_choo | But but... It's me 9-] |
| 00:47.46 | Foo_man_choo | No need to duck though... I stopped flinging my poo 18 months ago. The training is going quite well. |
| 00:49.28 | Zehra | Problem is amount of effort needed to host/run a private list and authentication server/services. |
| 00:50.53 | Foo_man_choo | You want to change the nature of the game play radically but don't want to deal with the effort that might entail? |
| 00:51.17 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: that's Zehra in a nutshell... |
| 00:51.31 | Zehra | :p |
| 00:51.31 | Foo_man_choo | Ah |
| 00:51.33 | Foo_man_choo | IC |
| 00:51.38 | Foo_man_choo | said the blind man |
| 00:54.13 | Zehra | It's not such a massive change in game play. (Many players rarely use the 3D view of the game.) |
| 00:55.09 | Foo_man_choo | That based on your exhaustive study using multiple poll's of players on several servers..... wait.... that's to much effort. |
| 00:55.43 | Zehra | Hehe. |
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| 00:56.02 | Zehra | It requires a few things to work very well. |
| 00:56.32 | Foo_man_choo | bzflag is what it is. And if a view were to disappear then blast007 is right... radar would go. |
| 00:56.59 | Foo_man_choo | mmmMMMmmm Battle Zone |
| 00:57.09 | kierra | Play blind |
| 00:57.14 | Zehra | BattleZone had radar. |
| 00:57.36 | Foo_man_choo | That would require a bad booty surround sound kierra |
| 00:58.08 | Foo_man_choo | If everyone were on equal footing though... could be interesting... shooting at tank movement sounds and shots sounds :) |
| 00:59.03 | Zehra | Could be done with the right settings. |
| 01:00.05 | Zehra | I'd have to disable radar option, and in order to make the 3D view useless, add dozens of shoot-through objects which cannot be seen through. |
| 01:00.18 | Zehra | Also drivethrough |
| 01:00.37 | Zehra | Would make an interesting game mode if done correctly. |
| 01:01.06 | Zehra | Before I forget, it would also require forbid hunting as an option too. |
| 01:03.22 | Foo_man_choo | Good luck with that new version of unofficial bz ;) |
| 01:04.50 | Zehra | I'll write some interesting things in the coming months. |
| 01:05.30 | Zehra | Some related to a few projects of mine. (Which I'm able to complete with my skill level.) |
| 01:08.37 | blast007 | I finished the end of a mission and landed successfully on the aircraft carrier on Top Gun for the NES with audio only. :P |
| 01:12.40 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/BattleZune/BattleZune_20081107_Clip_1.wmv |
| 01:15.05 | bertman | that brings back memories |
| 01:15.17 | bertman | lol |
| 01:16.22 | Foo_man_choo | zomg the lack of audio was deafening ;) |
| 01:17.21 | blast007 | yeah, the only audio I had hooked up was the BZFlag shot sound when you pressed the center button |
| 01:17.32 | blast007 | it didn't actually fire a bullet... just made the bang noise :) |
| 01:17.47 | Foo_man_choo | 8) |
| 01:22.32 | Zehra | Nice video. |
| 01:25.35 | blast007 | main thing I remember about writing that was how badly I messed up the math the first time around |
| 01:25.45 | blast007 | I had completely forgotten how trig worked |
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| 05:12.09 | the_map | figuring it out was like being a detective, looking for all the angles? |
| 05:12.13 | the_map | blast007: ^ |
| 05:22.21 | KaadmY | blast007: Not saying I *would* do that, but I've done a lot harder stuff in a day |
| 05:31.40 | allejo | if I want to add support for custom headers for bz_addURLJob(), what'd be a sane approach? let it take a bz_ApiStringList of headers? |
| 05:35.52 | the_map | python |
| 05:35.53 | the_map | :P |
| 05:54.18 | allejo | sets mode +q on the_map!*@* |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM | allejo: yes that would be a pretty standard way of doing it |
| 16:32.38 | JeffM | your only other real option is to provide single string with a deliminated list, and then you have to pick a delimnator. |
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| 16:58.25 | blast007 | there could be a helper function for building up the header string one header at a time |
| 17:05.03 | JeffM | sure, but you can also do that with a list |
| 17:06.36 | blast007 | ah, didn't realize there was a bz_APIStringList :) |
| 17:06.52 | blast007 | think I've only ever used the int list |
| 17:35.47 | allejo | string list it is then. that class even has a tokenize function so you can do a delimited list if you so please |
| 20:18.38 | JeffM | allejo: you are adding the list to an overide for bz_addURLJob right? or are you adding it to bz_URLHandler_V3? |
| 20:19.59 | allejo | was thinking adding an overloaded bz_addURLJob |
| 20:20.10 | JeffM | ok good, that's the right way |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM | just make sure you add an overload, don't change the existing one |
| 20:23.46 | allejo | was debating on an overload or a default param |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM | not the same |
| 20:24.15 | JeffM | if you add a default param to the existing funciton it'll break allready built pluings |
| 20:24.18 | JeffM | so add a new one |
| 20:24.21 | allejo | ah |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM | the defualt params is a compile time thing, not a run time thing |
| 20:24.59 | JeffM | the funciton would get a signature change, old plugin could not find old function, and it would not know how to find or call the new function |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM | you can add it as a default param, but then you also need to bump the API version, and that means all plugins have to be rebuilt. |
| 20:28.53 | allejo | ah so that'd be an example of an API version bump |
| 20:28.57 | allejo | overload it is then |
| 20:32.08 | JeffM | yeah, when you KNOW that you broke the API |
| 20:32.31 | JeffM | and you want to force old plugins to not load, but give a pretty message instead of crashing :) |
| 20:34.23 | allejo | how'd you add the pretty message? |
| 20:35.11 | JeffM | you don't the system does. it checks to make sure the version is compatible on load |
| 20:35.24 | JeffM | and then does normal debug logging that the plugin did not load |
| 20:35.50 | JeffM | the alternative is to load the pluign, make it look like it work, then all of BZFS crashes when you call the changed function |
| 20:36.20 | JeffM | it's all part of the lib loader |
| 20:37.03 | JeffM | it happens before the plugin class is loaded |
| 20:37.39 | JeffM | when you put the BZ_PLUGIN macro in your code, that registers the static functions that do all that |
| 20:45.37 | allejo | ah so the macro takes care of that check? |
| 20:45.54 | JeffM | it takes care of the plugin side of it, the rest happens inside bzfs |
| 20:46.09 | JeffM | the macro tells tells bzfs what version the plugin was built with |
| 20:47.00 | JeffM | and bzfs compares that with the current one it was built with |
| 20:49.47 | allejo | does the macro just define those functions with the respective information? i.e. bz_GetMinVersion() and friends? |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:49.58 | JeffM | and exports them |
| 20:50.08 | JeffM | it's up to bzfs to load them and call them |
| 20:50.47 | allejo | ahhhh suddenly this makes a lot more sense |
| 21:33.58 | blast007 | THAAAAAT explains everything! |
| 21:34.18 | JeffM | the secrets to the universe are encoded in the API |
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