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| 02:56.04 | macsforme | a few months ago, I discussed a couple of ideas to clean up our repository layout: 1) delete the old bzflag-import-1 and bzflag-import-3 repositories, 2) move the sub-projects under tools/ out of the main repository, and 3) answer our two remaining pull requests still pending |
| 02:57.14 | allejo | votes in favor of 1 and 2 but is too lazy to check 3 |
| 02:57.27 | macsforme | I believe BulletCatcher said we need to preserve some of the issues from the old repositories, and then they can go, and he was looking into a tool to do that... has there been any progress on that, or is that something that I or others can help with? |
| 02:58.48 | the_map | allejo: "-view three for greater or fewer than three monitors" and "Visual Studio 2015", by khonkhortisan; both from 2016 |
| 02:59.12 | allejo | https://github.com/google/github-issue-mover wrt to #1 |
| 02:59.25 | macsforme | for moving the tools/ subprojects out, I think TextTool2 and modeltool can go their own repositories, and bzwtransform is a dead project that can probably go under the bzflag-tools repository in a way that preserves history... thoughts? |
| 02:59.56 | allejo | no official support for moving issues from repo to repo, only tools to recreate them |
| 03:00.58 | allejo | I don't really understand why there's a bzflag-tools repo instead of just separate repos for each project |
| 03:01.20 | allejo | i mean sure they're dead and unmaintained but it's not like public repos cost anything |
| 03:02.43 | macsforme | that sounds like a fair point |
| 03:03.43 | allejo | with regards to vs15, isn't there some technical requirement for vs10? like something won't compile with the latest vs? |
| 03:05.47 | macsforme | as for the pull requests, IIRC there is a reason we haven't already updated to VS2015, and I am working on a premake system that will allow us to create project files for any Visual Studio version we want; there are also some merge conflicts... I would have no problem with rejecting that PR and the associated PR in bzflag-dependencies for now |
| 03:06.58 | allejo | if that PR is closed, i'd say link to where the premake setup is being worked on if it's public |
| 03:07.54 | macsforme | I don't have a three-monitor setup to test the second pull request (does anyone?), but his last comment was six months ago pointing out a problem with it, and nothing has been done about it since |
| 03:08.35 | allejo | i've got three monitors to test it but not sure what i'm looking for or testing |
| 03:09.54 | macsforme | but I personally think that moving forward, we should get rid of the current view arrangement stuff and allow for menu-driven configuration of each monitor independently to be set up as whatever the user wants (main UI, front/left/right view, radar, chat, or some combination of these) |
| 03:10.09 | blast007 | I can have a three monitor setup, but I'm more in favor of removing -view then adding more to it |
| 03:10.21 | macsforme | yeah |
| 03:11.11 | blast007 | there's a decent bit of code that makes -view possible for something that gets rarely used |
| 03:11.33 | macsforme | so we could articulate that we want to go a different direction and reject that one as well |
| 03:12.08 | blast007 | the only one that kinda neat is the stereoscopic one, but that could be a toggle in a menu instead of a -view option |
| 03:12.13 | blast007 | that's* |
| 03:14.27 | macsforme | even that would probably go away when we transition to OpenGL 2.0+, unless we re-implement it in shaders (which to me seems like more effort than it's worth for such an obscure feature) |
| 03:15.53 | blast007 | probably pretty easy to do it with shaders |
| 03:15.54 | macsforme | better to do VR headset support, if we really need to do 3D |
| 03:16.09 | blast007 | I'd not want VR support for BZFlag |
| 03:16.17 | blast007 | might as well just get rid of stealth if you do that |
| 03:16.50 | macsforme | and no-radar maps |
| 03:17.39 | blast007 | I also can't do VR games where I'm walking in the game but not for real |
| 03:18.03 | allejo | wrt to the import-1 repo. there are two issues that we can copy paste and the single open PR has already been merged into our current master branch so it can be closed |
| 03:18.04 | blast007 | driving is a little better if there's a cockpit |
| 03:26.22 | the_map | blast007: motion sickness? |
| 03:26.40 | blast007 | no, it's different than that |
| 03:28.01 | blast007 | well, might be the same thing - but with VR it's pretty immediate, whereas motion sickness for me comes on more gradual |
| 03:29.11 | blast007 | I get motion sick if I'm staring out the side of a moving car, for instance, but it takes a bit of me doing that. I don't just look at the window and go "Huuuurrrgg-" |
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| 16:39.35 | JeffM | you could do VR, but you'd have to model a n actual cockpit that limited the view, elite dangerous style. also you'd need very good controller maping. Keybord/mouse sucks in VR. you can't see your hands. |
| 16:41.07 | blast007 | just do touch controls. "VR tanks - our tanks can PUNCH!" |
| 16:41.25 | JeffM | so it only works with a powerglove? |
| 16:41.46 | blast007 | in elite, what happens if you physically move so you'd be outside of the ship? |
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| 17:06.53 | JeffM | you can't when in fiirst person view |
| 17:07.00 | JeffM | it's rotation only |
| 17:07.08 | JeffM | well a little transation |
| 17:07.18 | JeffM | only inside the cockpit |
| 17:07.35 | JeffM | there is a special external debug camera for taking beauty shots of the spaceships from ourside |
| 17:07.47 | JeffM | but that's not part of the HMD stuff |
| 17:08.18 | JeffM | the VR stuff assumes you are sitting in a chair |
| 17:54.42 | blast007 | k |
| 17:55.48 | blast007 | only cockpit game I had played was EVE: Valkyrie, and I hadn't tried to move myself out of the ship |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM | the vast majority of VR games don't let you move around much, because the reality of cords and stuff |
| 19:01.26 | blast007 | I've got roughly 8' x 6' of space for mine now |
| 19:02.50 | blast007 | need to get another tracking sensor or two |
| 19:05.08 | JeffM | you have a vive? |
| 19:05.52 | blast007 | Oculus |
| 19:06.06 | blast007 | I have the touch controllers now too |
| 19:06.18 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 19:07.25 | blast007 | the software supports up to 4 sensors, though they only mention 2 and 3 camera "experimental" 360 tracking |
| 19:08.07 | blast007 | currently just running it in 180 degree front tracking |
| 19:09.19 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:09.32 | JeffM | some games just arn't going to work if you can move anywhere, anything with a vehicle I think |
| 19:10.12 | blast007 | it's something you have to take into account when dealing with 6DOF headsets |
| 19:10.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM | and as they become more portable more will have that capability |
| 19:11.00 | JeffM | I'd restric yourmovement to some kind off sphere around a nominal pilot head location |
| 19:11.12 | JeffM | or a cylinder |
| 19:11.29 | blast007 | and then start blacking the display out? |
| 19:11.35 | JeffM | maybe |
| 19:11.46 | JeffM | would depend on what makes people less sick |
| 19:11.53 | JeffM | but yeah, something like that |
| 19:11.54 | blast007 | can't just limit the position to be inside the cockpit |
| 19:12.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:12.08 | JeffM | then you get out of sync |
| 19:12.48 | JeffM | go outside of the cockpit and it's all nyancat all the time |
| 19:12.53 | blast007 | so, probably something where you if you leave the appropriate area it stops showing anything except your own vehicle |
| 19:13.26 | JeffM | "inspection mode" |
| 19:13.43 | blast007 | sitting duck mode :) |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM | as for turning around and looking, you could say the trade off is that yes you can see behind you, but you also can't see in front of you. |
| 19:14.17 | JeffM | if you wanted some side view windows or something |
| 19:15.24 | JeffM | they are all solveable problems, it just takes some thought, like mobile it's not just "oh drop in VR support? |
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| 23:47.08 | alezakos | ~allejo++ |
| 23:47.28 | allejo | i did a thing! |
| 23:47.45 | alezakos | yass |