| 00:41.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v jh`] by blast007 |
| 00:41.49 | jh` | lol |
| 00:42.41 | jh` | thanks blast my friend |
| 00:42.49 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:43.28 | jh` | hows it going with the development? |
| 00:44.21 | blast007 | I should probably do some of that ... |
| 00:44.37 | jh` | lol |
| 00:45.39 | jh` | i was playing titanfall2 tonite |
| 00:46.11 | jh` | its a very well made game...nicely optimized for pc |
| 00:47.24 | jh` | though i suck in it but..who cares |
| 00:54.29 | jh` | there was nobody playing ducati in bzflag |
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| 01:16.24 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || https://wiki.bzflag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.8 released! https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=19294 |
| 01:16.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 01:16.42 | Zehra | really nothing atm |
| 01:17.24 | jh` | im not often here |
| 01:18.15 | Zehra | i haven't seen much happen here recently |
| 01:18.40 | Zehra | although it could be that discussions happen much later then i stay around |
| 01:19.33 | jh` | could be so |
| 01:19.55 | jh` | have you got your + back yet? |
| 01:20.04 | Zehra | nope |
| 01:20.26 | blast007 | a better answer would be 'negative' ;) |
| 01:20.37 | jh` | blast why? |
| 01:20.51 | jh` | what did he do to deserve this? |
| 01:20.54 | blast007 | plus, negative.. :P |
| 01:23.56 | Zehra | i'm only postive my auth is negative |
| 01:24.12 | Zehra | positive* |
| 01:28.01 | jh` | what the fuck did you do zehra |
| 01:28.12 | jh` | to deserve this |
| 01:28.30 | Zehra | use a couple accounts to mess with a few polls |
| 01:28.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v jh`] by blast007 |
| 01:28.54 | spldart | Ok... Uhm... language! |
| 01:29.17 | *** kick/#bzflag [jh`!~blast007@bzflag/developer/Blast] by blast007 (jh`) |
| 01:29.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*Janne@*.bb.dnainternet.fi] by blast007 |
| 01:34.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*Janne@*.bb.dnainternet.fi] by blast007 |
| 01:35.25 | spldart | ????? |
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| 01:49.43 | Zehra | wb jh` |
| 01:50.31 | spldart | Chestal allejo DTRemenak joevano L4m3r trepan ping just for fun |
| 01:50.51 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:51.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v jh`] by blast007 |
| 01:51.04 | jh` | im sorry |
| 01:51.51 | jh` | blast...can i pm you for a second? |
| 01:51.55 | blast007 | sure |
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| 02:02.00 | Zehra | is it possible to know what would have to be done to regain "+"? |
| 02:03.38 | JeffM | Have you accepted our lord and savor Chuck into your heart? |
| 02:04.55 | spldart | flips the table |
| 02:05.24 | Zehra | depends on who is Chuck? |
| 02:05.35 | JeffM | then the answer is sadly no.... |
| 02:05.55 | spldart | *just to see the potato salad hit the floor. |
| 02:06.00 | JeffM | Chuck reveals herself in a personal way to each person |
| 02:07.54 | Zehra | goes off in the search of Chuck |
| 02:07.58 | spldart | :y: |
| 02:08.15 | JeffM | Do or do not, there is no try, such is the path of the Jedi |
| 02:09.44 | Zehra | sometimes it is good to restart |
| 02:10.02 | Zehra | and to take a different path |
| 02:12.33 | Zehra | mistakes were made |
| 02:13.18 | JeffM | I sense much fear in you |
| 02:13.33 | JeffM | or beer, it's always hard to tell |
| 02:13.37 | JeffM | it's one of those |
| 02:17.10 | Zehra | the thing i wish would be taken into consideration |
| 02:17.36 | Zehra | is the part of how some still remain in a certain positions |
| 02:17.58 | Zehra | but have made actions which could be considered worst then mine |
| 02:18.31 | Zehra | although they still remain with perms |
| 02:20.37 | JeffM | Really it's up to blast007 , it's his user database |
| 02:22.12 | Zehra | i only wish for this to be taken into consideration |
| 02:22.31 | Zehra | and to make amends for actions previously done |
| 02:22.32 | spldart | That would have been a great way to state you have an issue |
| 02:23.13 | JeffM | What did you do? |
| 02:24.22 | Zehra | several polls were messed with |
| 02:24.30 | Zehra | using several accounts |
| 02:24.59 | Zehra | mostly several kicks |
| 02:25.08 | spldart | What did you do? |
| 02:25.38 | Zehra | mess with /polls using several accounts |
| 02:26.24 | JeffM | Yeah that's an abuse of the account database if I ever saw one |
| 02:27.05 | Zehra | here's my question |
| 02:27.10 | JeffM | But don't get the account database confused with permissions that specific server owners give out, they are different things |
| 02:27.50 | Zehra | i'm thinking of this |
| 02:27.58 | Zehra | if one cheats |
| 02:28.32 | Zehra | why does this not lead to ones account being revoked? |
| 02:28.40 | JeffM | Separate things |
| 02:28.59 | JeffM | Cheating is something you do on a server |
| 02:29.06 | JeffM | Servers are managed independently |
| 02:29.13 | JeffM | Each owner does what they want |
| 02:29.33 | JeffM | The account database and global services are run by blast, he does with them what he sees fit |
| 02:29.47 | JeffM | You messed with blast's system you he locked you out |
| 02:29.49 | spldart | And each server operator fails or overlooks as they choose. |
| 02:29.57 | JeffM | If you had cheated, the individual servers would block you out |
| 02:30.07 | JeffM | So it depends on who owns what you mess with |
| 02:30.16 | JeffM | They are not intrinsically linked |
| 02:30.23 | JeffM | Blast doesn't run all the servers |
| 02:30.32 | JeffM | And the servers owners don't run the global services |
| 02:30.44 | JeffM | And the "project" doesn't directly manage any of it |
| 02:32.28 | JeffM | So really the ONLY thing that will get your + back is for blast to unblock you from global services |
| 02:32.39 | JeffM | That's totally independent from all other things |
| 02:34.38 | JeffM | So saying that "some other people are in places of power on privately run servers" is very totally pointless |
| 02:36.41 | Zehra | it's not the question of power which i had... |
| 02:36.55 | Zehra | mostly was the part of how one may cheat |
| 02:37.21 | Zehra | and not automatically receive an account deactivation |
| 02:37.27 | JeffM | Shura, bzflag is a bad game for internet play, but that's immaterial in this case |
| 02:37.57 | JeffM | You are assuming blast takes it upon himself to police the privately run servers using his global services |
| 02:38.00 | JeffM | That is not the case |
| 02:38.40 | JeffM | Thankfully bzflag is not "fair" nor a democracy |
| 02:38.52 | JeffM | It's a benevolent anarchy |
| 02:38.53 | spldart | werd |
| 02:39.34 | JeffM | You can do whatever you want, with what you own |
| 02:39.59 | JeffM | And you don't own any of the pieces, so you are at the whim of those that do. |
| 02:40.01 | JeffM | We all are |
| 02:40.59 | JeffM | I will tell you this, from personal experience, if he hasn't banned you from this channel, then you've probably got a good shot of getting back in his graces. If he really didn't care he'd just quickly block you from everything. |
| 02:41.10 | JeffM | You'll just have to wait till he feels you've chilled |
| 02:42.01 | Zehra | ok |
| 02:43.23 | JeffM | Just don't try to rush it, that makes it worse :) |
| 02:45.08 | Zehra | will do |
| 02:52.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v Foo_man_choo] by ChanServ |
| 03:14.01 | blast007 | Zehra: it was more specifically that you were using multiple accounts to poll people, I told you to stop, told you it was a bannable offense at the services level, and then you kept doing it |
| 03:18.21 | Zehra | it became a habit since there wasn't an issue raised before |
| 03:18.56 | Zehra | which lead to another mistake |
| 03:20.11 | Zehra | for more then a month (if i remember correctly) |
| 03:20.18 | Zehra | kicks were made |
| 03:20.38 | Zehra | i didn't receive a pm or a notification |
| 03:21.00 | Zehra | or anything which would have quickly cause me to stop |
| 03:21.32 | Foo_man_choo | So it's on us? |
| 03:21.42 | blast007 | I told you on IRC and you said "ok", then you did it again |
| 03:21.45 | JeffM | Foo_man_choo: don't |
| 03:21.53 | Foo_man_choo | k |
| 03:22.22 | Zehra | habits sometimes are a bit hard to instantly break |
| 03:23.02 | blast007 | well I certainly broke that one for ya ;) |
| 03:23.29 | JeffM | You have no inalienable right to notification :) |
| 03:24.34 | Zehra | it's usually nice to receive one a bit early :P |
| 03:24.51 | JeffM | Lots of things that don't happen would be usually nice |
| 03:25.02 | JeffM | Remember, anarchy ;) |
| 03:25.39 | Zehra | yup |
| 03:26.02 | blast007 | you're not really helping your case Zehra |
| 03:26.18 | JeffM | Did you ever actually apologize? |
| 03:27.53 | Zehra | i didn't make apology |
| 03:28.17 | Zehra | although i did say i would make amends |
| 03:28.43 | JeffM | Yeah I can see blast's concerns then |
| 03:30.45 | JeffM | Charge him 100$ for the privilege of parole |
| 03:32.48 | Zehra | lots of things will have to be worked out on my end :P |
| 03:34.09 | JeffM | It does not appear like you believe you did anything actually wrong |
| 03:36.25 | Zehra | i created problems and abused permissions |
| 03:36.36 | Zehra | my actions were wrong |
| 03:36.40 | Zehra | and so was i |
| 03:36.49 | JeffM | That's a start |
| 03:37.02 | Zehra | services were disrupted |
| 03:37.28 | Zehra | server settings screwed in one point |
| 03:37.47 | blast007 | services were not disrupted |
| 03:38.10 | Zehra | oh |
| 03:38.13 | JeffM | remember that a game is not the same as global services |
| 03:39.14 | Zehra | players were annoyed by the use of nicks to apply poll kicks and bans |
| 03:39.39 | JeffM | Did the server owner ban you?> |
| 03:40.03 | Zehra | yes |
| 03:40.10 | Zehra | but not for kicks or bans |
| 03:40.23 | Zehra | only when server settings were messed up |
| 03:40.52 | JeffM | Well that's up to them and totally separate from what blast did |
| 03:41.13 | JeffM | Unless it was blast's server ;) |
| 04:02.49 | short_circuit | sry |
| 04:20.52 | kierra | Cods warned him to stop poll kicks & bans with his multiple nicks |
| 04:21.14 | kierra | And next day he did it again |
| 04:21.44 | kierra | .on cods server |
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| 06:31.30 | DTRemenak | short_circuit: pong ;) |
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| 12:02.21 | short_circuit | My apologies to the whole channel. |
| 16:08.06 | JeffM | you stopped before you did anything really stupid |
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| 19:48.22 | short_circuit | I feel so much better now 9P |
| 19:51.24 | short_circuit | Thanks for the word and I'm glad I shut up. I would have gotten stupid :( |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM | An interesting write up of multiplayer game servers, similar to what we all discussed in other channels, https://cloud.google.com/solutions/gaming/dedicated-server-gaming-solution/. |
| 21:29.47 | JeffM | Of course that one is all about using google services for it all, but still the overall layout sounds similar to what we were discussing |
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