IRC log for #bzflag on 20160802

01:45.01macsforme~allejo--
01:48.11macsformeoh, I completely overlooked your commit
01:48.14macsforme~allejo++
01:49.44allejolol
01:50.32JeffMI'm surprised Debian hasn't crucified you for that PSD file yet.
01:50.37JeffMbreak out the torches!
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01:55.10KaadmYhello ZLSA
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02:45.51allejojeffm, it's not even a proper PSD. it's all be flattened through its history :(
02:46.11JeffMyeah, I lost the origonal and had to fake it :)
02:47.00allejothat just hurts
02:47.07JeffMyeah
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04:16.06JuestoLAN which? Ethernet or fast?
04:23.08allejohuh
04:23.55Juesto"bzflag is optimized for lan, so it doesnt know about lag" for which speed it is specifically designed for?
04:24.55Juestoalso allejo, the clay thing map is an excellent map for rabbit hunt (server with fastmap mentioned today)
04:25.55allejoprobably the average speed from the 90s
04:26.18allejonot a bad idea, would have to take it up with the map author for permission
04:26.49JeffMit didn't care about the signal layer
04:27.02JeffMjust a TCP connection with lag less than a frame time
04:28.16Juestomalashi agreed by the way
04:28.28JeffMUDP used to be optional
04:28.41JuestoUDP is still optional
04:28.47Juestofor me it likes to fail sometimes
04:28.51Juestobut it works great anyway
04:29.11allejoUDP is required for 2.4.x
04:29.18allejoyou'll get kicked otherwise
04:29.19JeffMno I mean you could send all messages over TCP and never open a UDP socket
04:29.19JuestoNot all
04:29.51Juestothe server where noah hosts his map once kept telling me i didnt have udp but it didnt kick me
04:30.03JeffMit should not let you spawn
04:30.08JuestoIt did
04:30.09JeffMsome messages are only sent over UDP
04:30.11Juestoi was even playing
04:30.20JeffMthen that message was not entirely correct
04:30.25JeffMor you had a ver old version
04:30.32Juestono, lastest version
04:30.34Juestoit was recent
04:30.58JeffMits spposed to be requireed
04:30.59allejoI think it's if you try shooting without UDP you get kicked
04:31.06JuestoI was even shooting
04:31.31JeffMthen the game is broken
04:31.46allejotell us something we don't know ;)
04:32.45JuestoIt was a extremely odd case
04:33.01JuestoJUst like the slow motion jitter-spike oddity i had today
04:33.53BulletCatcherJuesto: BZFlag longitude has east and west reversed from GPS coordinates.
04:33.54BulletCatcherUse "set longitude 58.4" (not -58.4) in your config.cfg file to make it work correctly for Buenos Aires.
04:36.24JuestoThanks BulletCatcher
04:36.40BulletCatcherYou're welcome.
04:36.44JuestoWhy it is reversed? (no, "how someone wrote it" is not the answer)
04:36.56BulletCatcherThat is exactly the answer.
04:36.57JeffMyes yes it is
04:37.20JuestoWhy it is reversed? why it was coded that way? why it cant be fixed?
04:37.39JuestoIsnt the celestial calculation supposed to be realistic?
04:37.41JeffMbecause, because, because then it would break legacy ue
04:37.53allejooh I think you mentioned this a bit back, jeff. plugins still use radians for some stuff apparently
04:38.08JuestoStill do?
04:38.16Juestoso the lat and long are radians!?
04:38.18JeffMallejo: yes, because math fucntions do
04:38.31Juestois the celestial IN RADIANS?
04:38.36JeffMno
04:38.39JeffMjesus
04:38.39JuestoPhew
04:38.53allejolol
04:39.17JeffMevertything isn't about you
04:39.25Juestoyeah, sorry
04:39.34JeffMdoubtfull
04:39.35JuestoI just have some attention issue
04:39.51JeffMreally?
04:40.02JuestoYep
04:46.43JeffMallejo: the user facing stuff should be degrees, the API usualy gets input from math functions so they can take radians, it all depens on most common use
04:47.12allejoso reason behind maps being degrees and plugins being radians?
04:48.28JeffMapi is probably a mistake
04:48.36JeffMconsitency is better
04:49.08Juestonow i forgot the longitude for BA
04:49.33BulletCatcherUse "set longitude 58.4" (not -58.4) in your config.cfg file to make it work correctly for Buenos Aires.
04:50.31Juestoi forgot the latitude
04:50.45JeffMgooglr
04:51.01JeffMthe answer is always google
04:52.18Juestosince hes here.... he could tell it right away
04:52.20Juesto-.-
04:52.49JeffMchrist just look it up
04:53.51JeffMor is IRC using 100% of your celleron CPU?
04:54.09Juestonah, i am acessing it thought vnc on a vps
04:55.07JuestoMeh
04:55.25Juestofixed time expects lat and lon to be zero
04:55.29Juestoi believe
04:55.30JeffMirccloud ftw!
05:02.39DTRemenakfor many years geographers defined positive longitudes west and negative east.  astronomers did it the other way (which way makes sense depends whether you look AT earth or AWAY from her).  GPS made everyone adopt astronomic convention, but bzflag was written before GPS was a common thing...
05:03.41JuestoFinally a proper explaination!!
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10:02.38BZnotify[13bzflag] 15kongr45gpen pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/v6UTD
10:02.38BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 142e38453 15kongr45gpen: Show a notification to admins when someone /resets a variable
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15:15.48moriahEl pendejto
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22:37.44KaadmYwoo! got 40+ score on quickshot
22:37.50KaadmYbeat my previous record of around 10
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23:25.58blast007maybe too many flags on the server?
23:27.30blast007basically, the server is trying to send too much data to you at once
23:28.09blast007might be that your connection is confirming receipt of the information fast enough or it's just on the edge of too much data in general
23:34.12blast007play on a different server
23:35.15blast007there are 411 flags on that map, that's quite a bit
23:35.46blast007probably less lag
23:43.58KaadmY..?
23:58.50blast007it's not a map issue...

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