| 00:19.32 | blast007 | I really love desktop linux .... stuck in 640x480 on my nVidia test system... |
| 01:08.36 | macsforme | blast007: interesting, but I don't see how that will help us get a value for a key + modifier |
| 01:08.52 | blast007 | why not? |
| 01:09.46 | blast007 | it literally gives the value for the key.. |
| 01:09.58 | blast007 | and you already have the modifiers from the event |
| 01:10.51 | macsforme | it gives you a char value for the keycode, yes? |
| 01:11.05 | blast007 | a string |
| 01:11.51 | macsforme | that doesn't tell us what, for example, shift + 1 is supposed to create on a user's keyboard layout |
| 01:12.28 | blast007 | why would we need that for action buttons? |
| 01:13.01 | blast007 | SDL_TEXTINPUT is for when you are accepting text input, not for the normal key binding triggers |
| 01:14.36 | blast007 | or is SDL2 that broken? |
| 01:17.01 | macsforme | I don't think our code makes that distinction... we have key down and key up |
| 01:17.27 | blast007 | we have SDL_KEYUP, SDL_KEYDOWN, and SDL_TEXTINPUT |
| 01:17.51 | macsforme | I'm talking about BZFlag, not SDL |
| 01:18.05 | blast007 | so am I |
| 01:20.02 | blast007 | we use the SDL_TEXTINPUT event to handle the vast majority of the keyboard input |
| 01:20.43 | macsforme | BZFlag has BzfEvent::KeyUp and KeyDown... it doesn't make a distinction between action presses and text input |
| 01:21.08 | macsforme | so we have to take what SDL gives us and dumb it down into that form |
| 01:21.24 | blast007 | no, we don't |
| 01:24.21 | blast007 | have two modes (which we kinda do already): playing and composing |
| 01:24.43 | blast007 | playing disables the SDL_TEXTINPUT stuff and uses just SDL_KEYDOWN and SDL_KEYUP |
| 01:25.20 | blast007 | composing enables the SDL_TEXTINPUT and uses it for the majority of keys, but still leaves handles of some special keys to SDL_KEYDOWN/SDL_KEYUP |
| 01:30.13 | macsforme | so you're talking about new functionality, then... sure, but sounds pretty invasive, and it will break all platform interfaces other than SDL 2 |
| 01:32.18 | blast007 | does our other platform follow the user's chosen keyboard layout? |
| 01:32.26 | blast007 | platform code* |
| 01:38.02 | macsforme | SDL 1 does |
| 01:40.01 | blast007 | with a Russian keyboard layout, I can't type anything or even bind keys |
| 01:40.13 | blast007 | with SDL2 it doesn't even register that it tries to bind |
| 01:40.42 | blast007 | with the old native Windows stuff it acts like it binds but doesn't actually add a binding |
| 02:00.34 | macsforme | are you trying to type non-ascii characters? |
| 02:00.54 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:21.20 | macsforme | well that won't work :P |
| 02:59.32 | DTRemenak | blast007: 2.99 does. legacy does not. |
| 03:00.03 | DTRemenak | all ascii all the time |
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| 11:10.27 | blast007 | macsforme: run the checkkeys test program from a terminal (since it writes the debug info to the console) that is included with the SDL 2.0.4 code |
| 11:11.03 | blast007 | at least on Windows, the scancodes provided to keyup/keydown events are the same regardless of the current keyboard layout |
| 11:12.25 | blast007 | so it still identifies my 'G' key as being 'G', even though I'm using a Russian keyboard layout, whereas the textinput event is using the Russian character |
| 11:13.09 | blast007 | so really, there's no reason we should be using SDL_TEXTINPUT on 2.4 since we don't support Unicode |
| 13:15.21 | the_map | what happens if you change to another english layout? |
| 13:17.12 | blast007 | I'd expect the same thing to happen |
| 13:19.15 | blast007 | yep, same thing. the keydown/keyup event has the same scancode, their function to change that back to a friendly key name still uses the normal qwerty layout, but the SDL_TEXTINPUT event shows the dvorak mapping |
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| 14:23.42 | macsforme | blast007: yes, that is the purpose of a scancode |
| 14:24.29 | blast007 | so why aren't we using scancodes? |
| 14:25.15 | macsforme | a scancode gives whatever the physical location of the key is supposed to be, a keycode gives the layout-specific value for that key, and text input gives the actual text produced by pressing that key (or in some cases, a series of keys) |
| 14:25.30 | macsforme | https://wiki.libsdl.org/CategoryKeyboard |
| 14:27.02 | macsforme | and again, the main purpose of using the text input event is to get the key value with modifiers applied (capitals, symbols, etc.) |
| 14:27.35 | blast007 | why does that matter for action keys? |
| 14:29.01 | blast007 | currently someone with a non-latin keyboard layout can't even *play* the game |
| 14:29.23 | the_map | can't they use the mouse? |
| 14:29.42 | the_map | +arrow keys and enter for the menu? |
| 14:29.49 | blast007 | some keys work, sure |
| 14:30.00 | blast007 | but none of the letter keys would |
| 14:30.40 | the_map | kids these days...when I played, all I had was a mouse, arrow keys, tab, and enter |
| 14:30.46 | the_map | :) |
| 14:31.01 | RoscoePColtrain | you had arrow keys? |
| 14:31.10 | RoscoePColtrain | I had to play with asdf |
| 14:31.48 | the_map | I tried that, but they kept jamming on my typewriter |
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| 17:07.21 | kierra | forums really slow...i time out |
| 17:08.05 | blast007 | working fine here |
| 17:29.28 | kierra | hmmm, scroll wheel is considered a macro? |
| 17:32.13 | blast007 | I never said that |
| 17:32.20 | blast007 | I was replying to ccb |
| 17:32.44 | blast007 | and ccb was also not talking about the mouse wheel |
| 17:50.44 | kierra | i thought he mentioned it...mine was more rhetorical question |
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| 18:06.07 | blast007 | kierra: that's just ccb being an idiot |
| 18:07.22 | kierra | ack :) |
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| 20:07.18 | allejo | i haven't seen joevano talk in a while here :( |
| 20:08.16 | Void7 | somebody kick a_map for impersonating the_map |
| 20:08.28 | KaadmY | :D |
| 20:08.36 | KaadmY | it was for a different channel ;) |
| 20:08.43 | KaadmY | kicks Void7 |
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| 21:04.14 | joevano | I'm around... mostly lurking lately. Too much work not enough leisure time... |
| 21:04.54 | joevano | allejo: ^^ |
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