IRC log for #bzflag on 20160123

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03:40.31*** join/#bzflag alpha1-2 (~alpha1@host95.190-138-239.telecom.net.ar)
03:41.19alpha1-2allejo "Breaker of Builds" :P
03:41.44allejothat is my title
03:41.45alpha1-2and that symbol in forums
03:42.21allejois special
03:43.02alpha1-2can you come plese to bzflag.net server to ask you something?
03:44.27alpha1-2if you use filter #2 you will find me quickly
03:44.37allejo...
04:12.27*** join/#bzflag sanandresm (~andres@181.49.242.146)
04:29.06sanandresmHay alguien mas ademas de mi que hable español en este canal?
04:57.03alpha1-2yo, amigo
04:57.21alpha1-2ow
04:57.39alpha1-2pobrecillo
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16:43.32*** join/#bzflag Ojoyeux (4ee605d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.230.5.212)
16:43.37OjoyeuxHello
16:43.43OjoyeuxAny admin  here ?
16:44.11OjoyeuxI try to know if i was ban from Mofo Server ?!
16:44.21blast007try joining ##planetmofo
16:44.32OjoyeuxError connecting server !
16:46.10OjoyeuxI'm a regular player on this server so i don't understand.
16:46.33blast007it has nothing to do with this channel.  /join ##planetmofo
16:47.48OjoyeuxOK, i don't know why i was ban. Thank you for your answer
16:48.59OjoyeuxThere is an admin for mofo here ?
16:49.13blast007dude, I'm telling you to join their channel
16:49.18blast007this is #bzflag, not ##planetmofo
16:49.23blast007type /join ##planetmofo
16:50.40Ojoyeuxi have this : ##planetmofo Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
16:50.47Ojoyeuxi'm sorry to disturb you !
16:51.14blast007well, then send them a PM on the forum or play on another server
16:51.43*** join/#bzflag Ojoyeux (4ee605d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.230.5.212)
16:52.15OjoyeuxI'm sorry, i was disconnected, what did you say ?
16:52.49blast007send them a PM on the forum or play on another server
16:53.19blast007server owner information can be located on strayer's site: http://bzstats.strayer.de/servers/stats/?serverid=43001&lang=en
16:53.44blast007just make sure to include your public IP address
16:54.12blast007they might not have banned *you* specifically and you might just be caught in a range ban
16:58.55OjoyeuxThank you; I sent a message to Optic Delusion !
16:58.58OjoyeuxBye
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21:21.23alpha1-2what should be the way to report a bug? or is it possible (if I understand well) to do it just here, also, if someone doesn't want to register in Github? (also forums keep mentioning, into Bugs and Problems, "sourceforge")
21:27.19blast007what's the bug?
21:28.53alpha1-2related to receiving an error when trying to connect when you are banned
21:29.11blast007that will be fixed for 2.6
21:29.54blast007https://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.6.0  see "rework the joining process"
21:30.07allejoif you're talking about my servers where you couldn't connect, that's unrelated to bz
21:30.58blast007yeah, can't fix firewall rules or other network issues like that ;)
21:31.22blast007our buggy handling of DNS resolution and hostname bans?  that we can fix
21:31.59allejoblast, you probably should update the Bugs forum's description to say github though
21:32.14blast007I should do a lot of things
21:32.54alpha1-2ah I see blast007. And the method to report a bug, what should be? allejo, because there is a bug related to it, what do you mean?
21:33.14blast007alpha1-2: the github repo is the place to report issues
21:33.43blast007alpha1-2: however, if it's the hostban issue, that's already well known and on the todo list for 2.6
21:36.04alpha1-2blast007: yes, that issue I thought, but allejo says it's unrelated. I kept receiving an "Error connecting to server."
21:36.34blast007so what's the bug?
21:36.48blast007it certainly wasn't a success connecting to the server
21:37.18alpha1-2I was not able to connect to any of allejo's servers
21:37.26blast007and?
21:40.16alpha1-2as I said, I thought it was that bug commented in your BZExcess post you sent me and we were talking about recently, which you said "probably" that bug is still active. I just wanted to say it is still active. And I said also 'except allejo corrects me", and he did, but it seems it is not a bug. And I asked him 'what do you mean?" but he didn't asnwered still.
21:41.29alpha1-2clear now? :)
21:42.20allejo<PROTECTED>
21:42.45alpha1-2also, reporting bugs is not very clear how to do it: forums, "Many of these are also useful if you want to help contribute to the game in some way. " into Help and Github, but if someone doesn't want to register, then?
21:43.20alpha1-2ah that, okay
21:44.25allejothe GitHub repo is the official location for bug reports because that's what developers use and can keep track of issues and relate pull requests/fixes
21:44.56allejothe forums is an informal location for non-developers who don't need github accounts
21:45.39allejoand IRC is another method
21:46.10allejoin the long run, if the bug actually exists after discussion then someone will create an issue on github to keep track of it
21:47.32alpha1-2ah okay, thanks. And the old bugs in sourceforge will be kept in mind also, right? or all those should be migrated also to Github?
21:47.54alpha1-2'migrated'*
21:54.38allejoa lot of them are old and were never migrated to github
21:55.32alpha1-2okay
21:56.04alpha1-2what a shame Github doesn't have a measurement system to see how many downloads there are
21:57.59blast007it doesn't need to
21:58.05blast007look where the binary releases go to
22:00.30alpha1-2oh will you put them on download.bzflag.org since now?? :O
22:00.51alpha1-2seems nice!
22:00.59alpha1-2and do you have a counter?
22:02.01alpha1-2still about 1000 downloads from sourceforge (with half of editor, yes, but still)
22:02.48alpha1-2you surely have one!
22:03.24blast007I will
22:03.29blast007probably
22:04.00blast007still working out how I want the download system to work
22:04.26alpha1-2well, nice
22:05.15alpha1-2sourceforge one seems rather nice and complete. Maybe something like it
22:05.27blast007might use https://github.com/etix/mirrorbits or http://mirrorbrain.org/
22:06.15alpha1-2what a mistery they say "600 unkown OS downloaders" http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/files/stats/os
22:06.27alpha1-2downloads*
22:14.23blast007a lot of them are from bzedit
22:14.40blast007it's probably not legit downloads
22:18.01alpha1-2do you think something like Irix or so?
22:19.07blast007no
22:19.20blast007I think like some script or scam
22:20.34alpha1-2or maybe some countries are 'stealing' the technology keeping annonymous :P
22:20.57alpha1-2(it is/was used in US army or I am wrong?)
22:20.58blast007iirc, JeffM once said he found bzedit for sale on some Russian site :P
22:21.10blast007uh, no?
22:21.31blast007why would BZFlag be used by the Army?  to train new recruits for their flying tanks?
22:22.28alpha1-2well, at start they asked for a version of original Battle Zone. Then, I can see some servers still run by them :O
22:23.03alpha1-2(we were playing last night in one of them)
22:23.13blast007wut
22:23.44alpha1-2one version of Pillbox; also there is a developer related
22:23.52alpha1-2(not present)
22:24.32alpha1-2I always have seen BZ like a simulator also
22:24.41alpha1-2(arcade-simulator)
22:28.05blast007first, I think you're wrong.  second, why would that mean the Army has anything to do with BZFlag?
22:30.03alpha1-2about first version or later ones?
22:31.00blast007https://wiki.bzflag.org/Project_History
22:33.28alpha1-2"A version called The Bradley Trainer (also known as Army Battlezone or Military Battlezone) was also designed for use by the U.S. Army as targeting training for gunners on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.[2] Approaching Atari in December 1980, some developers within Atari refused to work on the project because of its association with the Army,[3] most notably original Battlezone programmer Ed Rotberg.[4] Rotberg only came on board after
22:33.29alpha1-2he was promised by management that he would never be asked to do anything with the military in the future.[5] Only two were produced; one was delivered to the Army and is presumed lost, and the other is in the private collection of Scott Evans,[6][7] who found it by a dumpster in the rear parking lot at Midway Games. The gunner yoke was based on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle control and was later re-used in the popular Star Wars game.[5]
22:33.31alpha1-2The Bradley Trainer differs dramatically from the original Battlezone as it features helicopters, missiles, and machine guns; furthermore, the actual tank does not move—the guns simply rotate."
22:35.06blast007so the TL;DR was "BZFlag was not and is not used by the Army"
22:35.20alpha1-2also ARPA.NET name is very noticeable
22:35.35blast007http://www.arpa.net/  read pls
22:40.12alpha1-2do you negate the relationship of BattleZone with the Army?
22:45.38blast007we are not BattleZone
22:48.11alpha1-2okay. well, just I had that thought. But who knows exactly? :P The good thing is that it's Free Software and can be re-used.
22:49.01blast007yup, even by people who are wrong
22:49.12alpha1-2then all the countries (specially powerful ones; see the downloads), will have the same simulator :) (joke)
22:49.36blast007(not laugh)
22:49.41alpha1-2hehe
22:51.09alpha1-2BulletCatcher, you are now the owner of those servers, didn't know
22:51.21BulletCatcherI am.
22:51.34the_map(lisp)
22:52.39alpha1-2when you mentioned it recently, I wondered because I didn't know you had servers. Seems a historic name, isn't it?
22:53.15BulletCatcherThe similarity is intentional, in good fun.
22:53.27alpha1-2also when I joined at start I wondered "wow, ARPA.NET"
22:53.44alpha1-2okay
22:57.02BulletCatcherBRL.ARPA was a real host on the ARPANET 30 years ago.
22:58.00BulletCatcherIt was at the US Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory.
22:58.19BulletCatcherBRL.ARPA.NET is the BZFlag Research Laboratory.
22:58.45alpha1-2:S :P
22:58.47blast007and our guided missiles use the original ARPANET.  true story!
22:58.55BulletCatcherlol
22:59.17alpha1-2stops playing BZ since now... :P
22:59.34alpha1-2(specially using GMs)
23:00.10blast007the NSA wants us to get rid of the cloak flag.  I mean, why have cloak if you have nothing to hide, right?
23:00.32alpha1-2never will stop using CL flag...
23:01.04BulletCatcherThey have an implied Seer flag, so it really doesn't matter to them.
23:03.13alpha1-2BulletCatcher: then nowadays ARPA.NET have "Internet" entusiasts people related?
23:03.27alpha1-2entusiast*
23:04.42alpha1-2(like you :P)
23:25.12*** join/#bzflag Shuist (~Shuist@ppp203-122-213-220.static.internode.on.net)
23:27.31alpha1-2fortunatelly the NSA is not God :) (and never will be)
23:28.06alpha1-2continues playing BZ in peace :))...

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