| 00:44.07 | the_map | it takes my laptop ~1/2 an hour to compile bzflag after pulling updates from github |
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| 01:16.08 | alpha1-2 | not bad neither, the_map |
| 01:26.55 | alpha1-2 | alezakos: a simple doubt, why not using just 256 xterm colors, instead of 16.7 million ones? |
| 01:28.26 | alpha1-2 | it is not only for 5 colors teams with few brightness modifications? |
| 02:45.40 | alpha1-2 | well, first impression is that I had little jumps in sound and video, like with 2.4.2. I will try later again, to be sure it is not my connection (I played a second FM with 2.4.0 just after it and it was normal, but someone else was using a little the network before.) |
| 02:46.00 | alpha1-2 | gn now |
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| 03:03.25 | alpha1-2 | I wonder if I just had updated libcurl it would not have worked in 2.4.0. It is dynamically linked right? |
| 03:05.33 | blast007 | it is |
| 03:06.03 | alpha1-2 | hmm and now why does it work if I didn't updated? |
| 03:06.23 | blast007 | what didn't work before? |
| 03:06.44 | alpha1-2 | IPV6 site cache file, remember? |
| 03:07.12 | alpha1-2 | then it must be statically linked |
| 03:07.29 | alpha1-2 | "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 7 : Failed to connect to 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe67:c7ab: Network is unreachable" |
| 03:07.31 | blast007 | also, the reason we didn't do 256-color xterm was because we support arbitrary colors for the radar and tank, not a 256 color palette |
| 03:07.52 | blast007 | right, but what was that for? |
| 03:08.11 | blast007 | cache file to what server? |
| 03:08.48 | alpha1-2 | 2.4.0 not loading cache map from ahs3's server (using IPV6 I suppose, 'cause it is a new server) |
| 03:08.57 | alpha1-2 | cached map* |
| 03:08.58 | blast007 | because it was probably because you have IPv6 enabled on your computer but local link only, no IPv6 access to the Internet, and the hostname that was used for the cache file probably has an IPv6 record on it |
| 03:09.53 | blast007 | it's not an issue with BZFlag |
| 03:10.00 | alpha1-2 | but 2.4.4RC2 loaded it quickly |
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| 03:10.39 | alpha1-2 | when 2.4.0 wasn't able to use cach method, it turned to slow one |
| 03:10.54 | blast007 | we store the world cache in your home directory, so if you had already joined successfully once it had the world already |
| 03:11.12 | alpha1-2 | I renamed the cache directory |
| 03:11.33 | alpha1-2 | hmm it is a mistery still :P |
| 03:11.44 | alpha1-2 | I will continue later, but thanks :) |
| 03:11.49 | alpha1-2 | it's late |
| 03:14.14 | OnlineCop | I haven't played bzflag since upgrading OS X to the latest, and have been having a hard time finding "if bzflag crashes, try these steps" documents for troubleshooting. Is there a link someone could point me to? |
| 03:16.43 | the_map | google :) |
| 03:16.51 | the_map | try https://wiki.bzflag.org/Common_Support_Issues |
| 03:17.06 | blast007 | there's nothing there for crashes |
| 03:17.18 | the_map | https://wiki.bzflag.org/Common_Support_Issues#Crashes |
| 03:17.19 | OnlineCop | Well, there is: remove the configuration file. |
| 03:17.26 | blast007 | not for this crash, anyway |
| 03:17.29 | blast007 | ignore that |
| 03:17.44 | blast007 | OnlineCop: which version of the game are you running? I'd recommend trying our 2.4.4RC2 if you're not already. |
| 03:17.51 | OnlineCop | But the RC2 seems to let me at least open a window (couldn't even get it to open full screen on 2.4.2), so I'll play with that. :D |
| 03:18.10 | OnlineCop | Yeah; the RC2 appears to open fine. I'll just keep that. :D |
| 03:18.33 | blast007 | Great. :) Let us know if you find any issues with it. |
| 03:18.50 | OnlineCop | Do you have a changelog, so I know what I should keep my eyes out for? |
| 03:19.02 | OnlineCop | I don't see much under https://wiki.bzflag.org/Special:RecentChanges |
| 03:19.21 | blast007 | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/blob/v2.4.4-RC2/ChangeLog |
| 03:19.33 | blast007 | that's wiki changes, not changes to the code |
| 03:19.42 | OnlineCop | Ah. |
| 03:20.00 | blast007 | the ChangeLog link above shows the major things we changed in RC1 and RC2 when compare to 2.4.2 |
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| 04:16.47 | the_map | I'm trying to update the ReverseGeno plugin, but I can't get bzfs to use it |
| 04:16.58 | the_map | RG compiles, no problem |
| 04:17.21 | the_map | I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/9CKWHKwJ |
| 04:18.40 | the_map | I've done make clean, ./autogen.sh, ./configure --enable-custom-plugins=ReverseGeno, make, and make install sequentially, and can't get it to work |
| 04:19.04 | the_map | from the top bzflag folder |
| 04:19.37 | the_map | any advice? |
| 04:20.17 | blast007 | why are you calling a system-installed bzfs and pointing to a local plugin .so file? |
| 04:20.43 | the_map | I don't know; it's how I did it before |
| 04:20.47 | the_map | when it was working |
| 04:21.14 | blast007 | if you're doing 'make install', just do -loadplugin ReverseGeno |
| 04:21.30 | the_map | on the bzfs command? |
| 04:21.40 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 04:21.51 | the_map | ... |
| 04:21.59 | the_map | it seems to have worked... |
| 04:23.08 | blast007 | when you install it, we know where to look, so a path (and extension) are in necessary |
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| 14:24.15 | alpha1-2 | I suppose that 2.4.0 was using static link to libcurl using the inside folder (now deleted), which version was 7.20.1. And the RC2 version used a development version (static link too), which is 7.21.2-45.1 (I already had it updated for some time now). Then, apparently, all was a libcurl issue not being able to handle the new IPV6 addresses, it seems (because it loaded well the Animal Lover's cached file, hosted apparently in a IPV4 server). |
| 14:26.10 | alpha1-2 | development version --> development package* |
| 14:31.26 | alpha1-2 | blast007_: what do you mean by "arbitrary colors for the radar and tank"? (or alezakos) Do players can use any kind of color, apart of 5 main ones? For example, I can set blue tanks (and shots?) in radar and console (and GUI/out of windows too?) to be orange? |
| 14:34.51 | blast007 | alpha1-2: yes, they can set the specific RGB colors to use |
| 14:39.24 | alpha1-2 | It's weird (tho I don't know very much about IPV6), pings to both servers return me IPv4 addresses |
| 14:40.01 | alpha1-2 | maybe ping can't handle IPv6? |
| 14:43.22 | alpha1-2 | about colors, I just wonder/worry if that was not a too long step in updating. I remember other case, those students sending console output to a leds screen; maybe they could have problems also. In the other hand, I see shell console is compatible with the new colors, tho. |
| 14:46.51 | alpha1-2 | hmm, I do ping6, instead and it says also "Network is unreachable"... |
| 15:00.53 | blast007 | alpha1-2: you probably do not have working IPv6 |
| 15:08.04 | alpha1-2 | hmm, but maybe it's just out of dated iputils (ping, ping6). Mine is from 2011; libcurl 7.20.1 is from 2010; and mine latest libcurl is form 2014 (which worked apparently). I saw that I have loopback available in IPv6 for some time now (it was automatically set it seems; I don't remember it; maybe I did it unintentionally); I don't know what more should I do, tho. |
| 15:09.40 | alpha1-2 | (and I can't update iputils anymore, because not available in repository; maybe it is not necessary still tho (to update the whole OS), maybe just configuration issues). |
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| 15:14.09 | alpha1-2 | they both gave the same message ("Network unavailable") and they are from the same stage approx. (2010/11) |
| 15:18.42 | alpha1-2 | researching more about IPv6 |
| 15:22.08 | alpha1-2 | "Network is unreachable"* |
| 15:41.33 | blast007 | alpha1-2: does your ISP provide you with IPv6? |
| 15:42.00 | blast007 | and does all of your equipment support it? your modem and router would need to support it as well. |
| 15:42.50 | alpha1-2 | well, IPv6 is too complex for me now, but my final impression is that RC2, having a newer version of libcurl, was able to handle IPv7 address, apparently. Can anyone (who has IPv6 working) do ping6 to dripshack.us and tell if it is a IPv6 server? |
| 15:44.31 | alpha1-2 | to be honest, I don't know about those, blast007. This is my first, apparently, IPv6 issue ever :P |
| 15:45.11 | brad | do "host dripshack.us" or "dig aaaa dripshack.us" |
| 15:45.16 | alpha1-2 | I was seeing just before that Argentina is implementing IPv6 for some time now, but I don't have all the info now |
| 15:45.43 | alpha1-2 | I will need some time to know all in respect, I think |
| 15:45.46 | alpha1-2 | (complex) |
| 15:47.00 | alpha1-2 | dripshack.us has address 45.79.135.237 |
| 15:47.01 | alpha1-2 | dripshack.us has IPv6 address 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe67:c7ab |
| 15:47.02 | alpha1-2 | dripshack.us mail is handled by 10 mail.dripshack.us. |
| 15:47.15 | alpha1-2 | (host) |
| 15:47.33 | alpha1-2 | then he uses both kinds? |
| 15:48.55 | alpha1-2 | (I did some readings time ago about IPv6 tho, not just before :P) |
| 15:49.09 | alpha1-2 | this is my first issue tho |
| 15:50.29 | alpha1-2 | how can I know quickly if my machine is ready for IPv6? |
| 15:51.58 | alpha1-2 | maybe I have half of the packages out of dated |
| 15:52.19 | alpha1-2 | if "ping6" doesn't work and "host" does... |
| 15:54.24 | alpha1-2 | bind-utils (host) is from 2011 too |
| 16:00.12 | brad | ifconfig should show if you have an ipv6 address...just ignore the 'local' ones |
| 16:04.02 | alpha1-2 | well, thanks for all, I have to go out some now, in this site http://test-ipv6.com/ I have not pass test, in ifconfig I have a IPv6 address, but I suppose it is internal only, because the site says my ISP has not IPv6 implemented (or I have not bought that service?) |
| 16:04.53 | alpha1-2 | I use a modem/router brad, maybe 'cause of this I only have internal addresses with ifconfig right? |
| 16:04.58 | brad | is it something like fe80** ? |
| 16:05.41 | alpha1-2 | I can see my internal IPv4 one (10.0.0.0/24) for example |
| 16:05.43 | brad | you can actually get an external address with ipv6 :-) one of the many benefits with there being so many available |
| 16:06.50 | alpha1-2 | but my ISP should sell it me before right? |
| 16:07.14 | alpha1-2 | yes fe80::... |
| 16:07.24 | alpha1-2 | does this mean local? |
| 16:07.29 | brad | i've never heard of being charged for ipv6 |
| 16:07.32 | brad | ya, that's local |
| 16:07.35 | alpha1-2 | ah |
| 16:08.24 | alpha1-2 | well, that site says my ISP has not IPv6 available still, then one of two: either it has not implemented it still or I have not bought it still :) |
| 16:08.49 | brad | you'll need to ask your ISP that |
| 16:09.15 | alpha1-2 | but why did libcurl work then? it must have used IPv4 at the end |
| 16:09.58 | alpha1-2 | and the first version tried to used IPv7 unsuccesfully it seems |
| 16:10.01 | alpha1-2 | use* |
| 16:10.05 | alpha1-2 | IPv6* |
| 16:10.14 | alpha1-2 | sry typos I'm in a hurry |
| 16:10.15 | brad | I believe it tries v6 first then falls back to v4 (based on precedence in /etc/gai.conf) |
| 16:10.46 | brad | assuming v6 address is returned in dns lookup |
| 16:12.16 | alpha1-2 | this was the error with libcurl 7.20.1 from 2010 and BZ 2.4.0 (if I go it all right): "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 7 : Failed to connect to 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe67:c7ab: Network is unreachable". And with 7.21.2-45.1 and BZ RC2 it worked. |
| 16:12.23 | alpha1-2 | got* |
| 16:12.43 | alpha1-2 | if I do ping6 I get also "Network is unreachable" |
| 16:12.57 | brad | try adding "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" (without quotes) to /etc/gai.conf |
| 16:13.06 | brad | that (should) make it default to v4 |
| 16:14.52 | alpha1-2 | Okay I will see later, but why did the newer libcurl + BZ work apparently without any chage to my gai.conf file? |
| 16:15.27 | alpha1-2 | it must be a bug in the prev. libcurl? |
| 16:15.51 | alpha1-2 | I wil keep connected, thanks |
| 16:15.53 | brad | *shrug* |
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| 16:48.01 | alpha1-2 | I suppose more that it was a BZ bug than a libcurl one |
| 16:56.43 | alpha1-2 | and yes, Animal Lover's site is IPv4 only, according to "host" |
| 17:27.03 | blast007 | what was the issue at Animal Lover's server? |
| 17:27.55 | alpha1-2 | oh man, I said it several times. It is related to the same "-cache" issue. :) |
| 17:28.10 | alpha1-2 | it is solved with the last RC2 version tho |
| 17:29.00 | alpha1-2 | 2.4.0 worked with AL's cached file but not with ahs3's one |
| 17:34.33 | alpha1-2 | (out of topic - general info: wow http://www.instantcheckmate.com is scary and impressive at once; didn't know it.) |
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| 20:10.59 | alpha1-2 | how many debug levels are in bzflag (-debug or -d)? |
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| 20:18.56 | alpha1-2 | apparently until 1215752192 (into BZ console, by using "/debug <big number>") |
| 20:20.41 | alpha1-2 | I am listening some sound clips (little noises) with RC2 (I will check 2.4.2, maybe they were there already IIRC) |
| 20:33.46 | alpha1-2 | well, I hear* them in 2.4.0 even. blast007: how can I know servers versions like you did yesterday? I want a 2.4.0 server to test if it is not problem from server |
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| 21:02.52 | alpha1-3 | I will log out, maybe it's the chat system |
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| 21:20.03 | alpha1-2 | well, RC2 works okay for me then, sorry for the confusion. No video nor audio problems, except some little clips which are present in 2.4.0 also (never noticed them so much). alezakos or blast007: I can't see any RGB menu option, they are not implemented still right? |
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| 22:00.43 | alezakos | alpha1-2: correct, menu options for colors are not implemented, but you can do /localset redcolor or /localset redradar (replace red with any team name or rogue/rabbit/hunter/observer) |
| 22:02.31 | alezakos | as for your other question, there is no reason to hardcode a 256-bit colour palette when we can use 24 bit colours and the user specifies them in RGB |
| 22:03.38 | alpha1-2 | yes, I am understanding the RGB pro now |
| 22:05.00 | alpha1-2 | (going to play a FM now it seems) |
| 22:05.45 | alpha1-2 | ah let me see that command |
| 22:18.15 | blast007 | alpha1-2: dunno if server versions can be queried by players without joining each. I was looking directly at the database, since I run the list. |
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| 22:42.56 | alpha1-2 | ah okay, can you give me two 2.4.0 servers please to test sound? (I go AFK now) |
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