IRC log for #bzflag on 20150926

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04:16.14Constitutionand allejo commits using yet another email address :P
04:27.26allejooh...
05:31.09Constitutionthere's no reason bzadmin should need the data directory, right?
05:32.57Constitutioner, the config directory, I mean
05:33.56ConstitutionI'm not going to fix it now, but I wanted to make BundleMgr.cxx use the SDL 2 function for getting the preferences directory on mac, but it runs into a problem where bzadmin links to common which would have to link to SDL 2
05:35.14ConstitutionI'll leave it for now... that functionality should probably be moved from common to platform
05:56.51Constitutionactually I guess the one I was looking for was getConfigDirName() in DirectoryNames.cxx in libgame... so we have logic to access platform-specific directories in libplatform, libcommon, and libgame...
05:57.14Constitutionjust going to defer that entire issue until another time
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05:59.35BZnotify[13bzflag] 15macsforme pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vnxh7
05:59.35BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14a1e5905 15Joshua Bodine: Updated Xcode project file with new system library locations under the 10.11 SDK....
05:59.35BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 140ad87a1 15Joshua Bodine: Actually made OpenGL context check on Mac OS X use the SDL function, not the CGL function. This also allowed us to eliminate a preprocessor macro in config.h.
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06:05.12Constitutionblast007: I think that will do it for me
06:09.07allejotoo
06:09.47allejogive me like a month and i'll have broken 2.4.5
06:24.03Constitutionallejo: can you just make sure that builds and runs for you, too? not many people able to test the mac build system
06:24.37allejosure thing
06:33.36allejobuilds and runs fine for me
06:34.00allejousing sdl2 fwiw
06:43.20Constitutionthanks
06:44.14allejonp
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10:57.41Geek400hey
10:58.04Geek400Can someone create a server for laggers
10:58.16Geek400so that no one with high lag would be kicked out
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11:14.10blast007no
11:19.08alezakosthere used to be a server that had no lag warnings/kicks, and it was quite popular
13:00.30blast007seems to not be any servers in India or all that nearby.  http://bzexcess.com/geolist/?address=14.99.252.212
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16:56.04BZnotify[13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vnhad
16:56.04BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 14814ffc5 15Scott Wichser: Remove reference to non-existent acceptance form.
16:56.04BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 1422aee32 15Scott Wichser: Ignore .ipch files.
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17:58.46ShuistIs it possible for BZ to be windowed on Windows so that I can do other things and still look at it?:p
17:59.56blast007depends what you mean.  You mean windowed and not minimizing when you click on some other program?  Or just windowed?
18:01.03blast007'/localset Win32NoMin 1' will disable minimizing, even if you want it to
18:02.38ShuistNo minimising pretty much. Would '/localset Win32NoMin 0' be the opposite and allow it to minimise again?
18:05.06ShuistTested it, works. Thanks blast!:D
18:06.07blast007yep, and that setting only lasts as long as the client is running - doesn't save to the config
18:06.30blast007it was put in mainly for debugging purposes though, so don't count on it always existing
18:07.59ShuistAh okay. Will there be another option in its place then?
18:08.15blast007in the future we'll probably refactor a lot of the windowing and input code to be more consistent across platforms, at which time we could investigate making that the default functioanlity (while still allowing manual minimizing)
18:08.23blast007functionality*
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18:26.19the_mapwouldn't something like `bzflag -window 1366x768` work also?
18:31.34blast007the_map: Windows automatically minimizes the window when you click outside the window, which is what Shuist was trying to prevent
18:31.56alezakoshuh, the latest SDL2 seems to have broken my space bar on bzflag
18:32.28blast007alezakos: that'sratherodd
18:32.41blast007tried remapping it?
18:33.06blast007or does it also fail when typing chat, not just when dropping your flag?
18:33.32alezakosit fails everywhere
18:33.43alezakoseven on the mapping menu
18:36.11blast007fun.. are you using the bleeding edge SDL2 from their git?
18:36.46alezakosno
18:36.51alezakosbecause they aren't using git
18:37.03alezakosI'm using the bleeding edge SDL2 from their mercurial
18:37.07blast007:P
18:38.17blast007care to roll back through the revisions to see where it breaks?
18:39.21alezakosyeah, I just found a commit where it isn't broken
18:39.28alezakosso I'm going to try running a bisect
18:48.45Constitutionalezakos: on Linux?
18:49.04alezakosyup
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19:07.22alezakoshttp://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/8a89b58895c1 seems to be the culprit
19:10.09blast007is SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER_X11_HAS_XKBKEYCODETOKEYSYM defined as a 1 (or otherwise boolean true) for you?
19:14.08alezakosSDL_VIDEO_DRIVER_X11_HAS_XKBKEYCODETOKEYSYM is true
19:28.05blast007bz_getCountdownRemaining() shows the wrong time just before the countdown resumes.  Wrote a plugin that sends the value every ~0.5 seconds.  http://static.bzexcess.com/bzbugs/getCountdownRemaining/bzfi0016.png
19:28.24blast007(plugin is at http://static.bzexcess.com/bzbugs/getCountdownRemaining/matchTimeRemaining.zip )
19:34.55blast007when it's wrong, both bz_isCountDownPaused() and bz_isCountDownInProgress() return false
19:39.37the_mapif (wrong) return true;
19:49.52allejoI have to worst feeling it's because of > instead of >=
20:06.44the_mapbut if it is > instead of >= , wouldn't that be easy to test and fix?
20:08.37allejoi'm right, that is the issue
20:08.55allejobut an issue occurs right when the game is paused and that one i need to find
20:12.57Constitutionquestions the timing of new API functions the day before a release candidate tag
20:13.33allejofinds it funny that the API function has to do with timing
20:14.08alezakosasks if it was the old functions that were broken as well
20:14.29allejo^
20:14.55allejoyea, bz_isCountDownInProgress() returned false when the countdown was set to 0
20:15.14allejoeven though it's not until it's -1 that the countdown is considered "finished"
20:16.38alezakos~blast007++ for testing and not shipping a broken RC
20:17.04alezakoswell, that didn't work
20:17.07alezakos~blast007++
20:17.18the_map"for testing and not shipping a broken RC"
20:17.18alezakosand props to allejo for breaking the build again, twice
20:17.37the_mapyeah, it's allejo's job to break stuff, not blast007's
20:17.44allejo:)
20:17.56allejoalthough, to be fair there is another thing I take objection to
20:18.10blast007OVERRULED!
20:18.10allejopauseCountdown() doesn't set the time the game was paused at
20:18.26allejopauseCountdown() only sets some variables and triggers the event :p
20:18.33blast007the whole countdown system is a bit wonky
20:18.39allejoshivers
20:18.58allejoit has a lot of room for improvement :-/
20:19.04blast007yep :)
20:19.08blast007as does most things
20:19.15allejo2.6 here we come!
20:19.26the_mapI thought 2.4.4 was being released?
20:19.31blast007the_map: it is
20:19.41allejolets see if this fixes the countdown accuracy
20:20.15blast007and then 2.6, where we can fix bigger issues like this that require compatibility breaking changing
20:21.39allejoI really really really want to make the BZDB easier to use...
20:21.50blast007easier?
20:21.55allejoand not require an internal "parser" that splits on whitespace
20:22.00allejowell "fix" i guess
20:22.46blast007needs to evolve a bit so there can be per-tank attributes
20:22.49allejoit relies on some command manager class or something that pretty much only exists to parse bzdb sets :p
20:23.25allejoand then it sets some weird reference variables and doesn't even trigger the bzdb change event. so the event has no useful information :p
20:23.43blast007what would you do differently for parsing?
20:24.22allejoslash commands already split on whitespace, so make something like bzdb::set(var, value)
20:28.23blast007doesn't it already use BZDB.set(name, value) ?
20:28.50allejonope!
20:28.53allejoah here it is
20:28.55allejosec
20:29.33allejohttps://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/blob/2.4/src/bzfs/commands.cxx#L1016
20:30.22allejohttps://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/blob/2.4/src/common/CommandManager.cxx#L84
20:30.27blast007CMDMGR is used in various places
20:31.15blast007seems likely to be things that the client might want to trap locally, which /set sometimes does
20:32.20allejoI would think that there's an easier way to handle it then to rely on CMDMGR, no?
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20:35.18BZnotify[13bzflag] 15allejo pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vnj0f
20:35.18BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 1441fd598 15allejo: A countdown is still considered "active" at 0...
20:35.18BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 141bd3782 15allejo: Set the game paused time in pauseCountdown()
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20:35.21allejothat should fix it
20:35.48allejoConstitution, you see? it wasn't my function again! I had fixed that yesterday. it was everything else with bzfs :D
20:37.43allejowith a grep, the biggest usage I see of CMDMGR is it's ArgList variable which is just a vector
20:39.15blast007ArgList?
20:39.29allejoCommandManager::ArgList& args
20:40.21allejoand there is usage of CMDMGR.run() but I think it could be better handled. abstract classes if necessary
20:40.51the_map"CMDMGR" ... could I buy a vowel?
20:41.10allejothe_map, you get the letter Q!
20:41.14blast007the_map: srry, w r ll t
20:41.51allejolol
20:42.03the_mapallejo: Q isn't a vowel; could I but an 'e'?
20:42.05the_mapblast007: nice
20:42.33the_map'e'.toUpper()
20:42.41alezakoswe are all tea?
20:42.58the_mapuh, yeah
20:43.01the_mapyou aren't?
20:43.10alezakosI'm toast
20:43.11blast007dang, and in my line there, y was actually a vowel :P
20:43.29the_mapblast007: sometimes; this wasn't one of them
20:44.25blast007yeah, think I misread
20:44.39the_mapyour own message?
20:44.51blast007no, the "when is y a vowel" site
20:45.09the_mapwait, that exists?
20:45.14the_mapchecks google
20:45.21blast007http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/y-roles.php
20:45.36allejoI was kinda hoping for a whenisyavowel.com
20:45.57blast007though there are similar formed words there that they say y is a vowel, so I'm still confused :P
20:46.17the_mapI was totally kidding when I said that it wasn't a vowel
20:46.29the_mapI have no clue
20:47.02blast007yeah, all I know that in this instance.. it's a letter
20:47.41allejoaccording to that site, Y would be a vowel in sorry
20:47.42the_map"srrγ"
20:47.56the_mapallejo: yeah, I have to agree
20:48.20the_mapit's pronounced like an 'e', not as a 'y'
20:48.22alezakoswhy wouldn't the y in sorry be a vowel?
20:48.43the_mapalezakos: because it's English; it's not supposed to make sense
20:49.14alezakoswhich one of the senses?
20:49.21the_mapnone of them
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23:16.05BZnotify[13bzflag] 15kongr45gpen pushed 2 new commits to 062.4: 02http://git.io/vnjdx
23:16.05BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 1420fb5a4 15kongr45gpen: Update bzls.lua to support HTTPS
23:16.05BZnotify13bzflag/062.4 147cd2887 15kongr45gpen: Polish some outdated pieces of documentation, eliminating almost all SVN references
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