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| 01:35.23 | Flash | Perhaps we should stop providing tarballs of the source... |
| 01:35.40 | Flash | the license requires source be available. Github qualifies as available |
| 01:35.54 | Flash | uncontrolled copies are not a good idea, I think |
| 01:37.42 | blast007 | how is something that we specifically release "uncontrolled"? |
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| 02:42.34 | Patlabor221 | yay, finaly it connets on the lappy |
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| 02:50.51 | Patlabor | and yeah zlsa we arn't going to be able to accept the pull request with the fact that it screws up several other files |
| 02:51.53 | zlsa | pretty sure you want zuii |
| 02:52.13 | Patlabor | oh sorry |
| 02:52.26 | Patlabor | I rememberd it was a Z name :) |
| 02:52.31 | zlsa | np |
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| 19:44.58 | gnu-sense | I have a new security concern. Is there someone I can talk to privately? |
| 19:45.07 | Patlabor221 | sure |
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| 20:24.09 | Patlabor221 | is there an OSX build from anything like a current 2.4.3 ? |
| 20:33.03 | allejo | i think the last "released" build was the no gamma fix by consti |
| 20:33.33 | Flash | I though Constitution was the only one who made release builds |
| 20:33.59 | Flash | (for OS X) |
| 20:34.17 | Patlabor221 | was it put on sourceforge? |
| 20:34.33 | allejo | no, was hosted on a bzflag.org domain |
| 20:34.55 | allejo | http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/mac/ |
| 20:34.56 | Patlabor221 | do you happen to have a link to it? |
| 20:35.23 | Patlabor221 | gnu-sense, get one of those |
| 20:36.02 | allejo | I think nogamma2 would be the appropriate one. SDL2 may have been just for testing |
| 20:36.12 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 20:40.55 | gnu-sense | ugh. OS version issues. |
| 20:41.09 | Patlabor221 | you are runing an OS that is over 5 years old |
| 20:41.16 | Flash | 2.4.3 is a dev build. Why would it be on sourceforge? |
| 20:41.16 | gnu-sense | for a reason... |
| 20:42.00 | Patlabor221 | Flash, some people had issues with various OS upgrades and some of those were built to fix those issues, so they may have been put public as an emergency fix untill we released 2.4.4 |
| 20:42.17 | Flash | ah. |
| 20:42.18 | gnu-sense | Actually I would LIKE to get off of it entirely, but... (boring story) |
| 20:42.19 | Patlabor221 | normaly we don't do odds, but as a stopgap I could see us doing it |
| 20:42.48 | allejo | gnu-sense, what OS X version do you have? |
| 20:42.50 | Flash | if my aging memory is functioning, I thought that was the gensis of 2.4.2 |
| 20:42.57 | Flash | *genesis |
| 20:42.58 | gnu-sense | 10.6.8 |
| 20:43.13 | Patlabor221 | at the time the OSX build was super hard to build so most mac users could not make builds |
| 20:43.33 | Patlabor221 | Flash, there have been several OSX updates that broke things |
| 20:43.38 | gnu-sense | back when, I did it from command line. |
| 20:43.50 | Patlabor221 | so it's not uncommon for us to have extra releases for OSX |
| 20:43.58 | gnu-sense | actually, ./configure amy still work |
| 20:44.04 | Flash | Wasn't it around 10.5 that the default command-line tools went away? |
| 20:44.25 | Patlabor221 | it was when they changed OSX from gcc to LLVM |
| 20:44.37 | Patlabor221 | it took us a while to build a new proejct |
| 20:44.55 | gnu-sense | sorry, I'm being called to another activity,atm... |
| 20:45.08 | allejo | i can't even even build for 10.6 |
| 20:45.10 | Patlabor221 | but yeah there have been several breaks |
| 20:45.21 | allejo | invalid deployment target for -stdlib=libc++ (requires OS X 10.7 or later) |
| 20:45.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah he may be too old for us to help |
| 20:45.25 | Flash | I do remember being broken for a long time |
| 20:45.34 | Flash | I think 10.7 was when I could build again |
| 20:45.43 | Patlabor221 | that sounds about right |
| 20:45.47 | Flash | or maybe I skilled that and it was 10.8 |
| 20:45.57 | Flash | skipped |
| 20:46.12 | Patlabor221 | OSX gets busted a lot |
| 20:46.36 | Flash | yeah, they don't seem to get the open-source multi-platform project paradigm |
| 20:46.46 | Patlabor221 | that and apple don't keep video drivers as up to date as they could, specialy once your OS is not current |
| 20:46.59 | Patlabor221 | no, they don't do multi-plaform |
| 20:47.03 | Patlabor221 | they want ONE plaform |
| 20:47.19 | Patlabor221 | and you buy a new one every 2 years |
| 20:47.30 | Patlabor221 | new phone, new tablet, new mac.. |
| 20:47.36 | Flash | well, to be fair, I always thought Microsoft was "one platform to rule them all and in the darkness bind them..." |
| 20:47.51 | Patlabor221 | true most companies want lock in |
| 20:48.02 | Patlabor221 | at least MS lets you change hardware and dosn't do driver level lock in |
| 20:48.17 | Patlabor221 | lock in means profit, and that's all any company wants |
| 20:48.30 | Flash | nods |
| 20:48.59 | Patlabor221 | the driver thing on the apple side is what bugs me. ATI and nvidia have drivers that work but you can't install them untill apple mucks with them |
| 20:49.09 | Patlabor221 | and if your OS is out of date, you get no more drivers from apple |
| 20:49.15 | Patlabor221 | I can get new drivers for windows 7 |
| 20:49.41 | Flash | not just video. I had to give away a color laser printer because HP wouldn't put out drivers for newer OSs |
| 20:49.58 | Patlabor221 | that sucks |
| 20:50.31 | Patlabor221 | that happens on windows too but it seems to have a longer lifespan |
| 20:50.42 | Patlabor221 | often newer OSs have built in drivers for the hardware |
| 20:51.00 | Patlabor221 | but I do have 2 webcams here from 2002 that I can't make work on windows 8 :) |
| 20:51.09 | Patlabor221 | so it does happen |
| 20:56.34 | blast007 | the 2.4.3 mac builds were actually test builds to see if the mac issues could be fixed. iirc, Constitution wasn't having the issues, so he was kinda having to work blind. |
| 20:57.07 | blast007 | there was a forum topic about it |
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| 23:32.16 | Patlabor221 | zuii, don't worry about people who don't get the idea for the plug-in, you just need to get your fork fixed up. |
| 23:59.26 | allejo | ohhh now i get the pull request. pretty neat :D |