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| 02:44.22 | Flash | ~bzgit |
| 02:44.22 | infobot | bzgit is probably git clone --branch v2_4_x https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3.git bzflag |
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| 02:54.19 | Flash | I'm liking the XCode project ... kudos to whoever worked that out. |
| 02:54.46 | Flash | Just did a refresh/build and all 8 cores maxed out building |
| 02:54.57 | delusional | time? |
| 02:55.17 | Flash | I didn't time it but just a minute or so |
| 02:56.29 | BulletCatcher | IIRC, Constitution gets the blame, er, credit for the Xcode work. |
| 03:00.05 | delusional | i've been thinking i should try to build again, it's been a long time since i needed to. I do have a crash on startup occasionally using the stock 2.4.2 build, So I thought a local build might cure that. Interestingly... restarting my mac does not cure the crash, but if i completely shutdown and then push the button to startup, the BZ crash goes away. |
| 03:00.42 | Flash | that's not good ... hints at a memory error |
| 03:01.00 | delusional | it happens about once every two weeks... you're saying it may be bad ram? |
| 03:01.22 | delusional | or perhaps my hybrid drive? |
| 03:01.38 | Flash | no, I'm saying that the code is using uninitialized memory and you just happen to have a value there that causes grief |
| 03:01.49 | delusional | ah |
| 03:02.12 | Flash | since the contents of uninitialized memory is pseudo random, it depends on what else has been going on in your machine |
| 03:03.31 | delusional | my first inclination was to blame the saved application states that apple uses now, when only a hard shutdown would cure it. |
| 03:05.28 | delusional | would a local build help? |
| 03:05.57 | blast007 | delusional: a debug build run through a debugger would help |
| 03:06.15 | blast007 | (or at the very least, a proper crash dump with a stack trace) |
| 03:06.44 | delusional | apples debugger does supply a dump when it happens. you want that? |
| 03:07.05 | delusional | i think i did paste one wahile back. |
| 03:27.01 | blast007 | I'm not sure if the 2.4.2 binaries had the debug symbols included |
| 03:29.38 | blast007 | our 2.4 packages were smaller than the 2.0 releases, even when you look at releases that weren't universal binaries |
| 03:59.14 | Constitution | I'm not sure what we should do with mac in the future |
| 04:00.07 | Constitution | sdl 1.2 has some issues with mavericks that caused crashes, and when implementing sdl 2 it was functional but there was some video corruption I couldn't get past, and the key handling is all different |
| 04:00.38 | Constitution | and the idea of an independent mac platform lib was not received favorably |
| 04:01.44 | Constitution | and who knows what yosemite will bring |
| 04:16.04 | blast007 | well, we already have native mac platform code. If SDL is gonna be such a pain on OSX, maybe it's just time to ditch it and update the native stuff. |
| 04:17.14 | Flash | I'm also seeing that Apple is creating their own OpenGL layer |
| 04:17.45 | Flash | got a deprecation warning on gluProject ... use GLKMathProject |
| 04:17.57 | Flash | that seems to be Apple-specific, from what I can tell |
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| 05:05.07 | Constitution | the native mac platform code we have is carbon-based (which is deprecated) and therefore not a future-proof solution |
| 05:05.15 | Constitution | it would need a re-write |
| 05:05.38 | delusional | i'm downloading the yosemite pre-release now |
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| 09:34.44 | delusional | I can play BZFlag using yosemite-preview, 380 FPS but it still seems jittery somehow.. no sound, but at this time I don't have sound in any application |
| 09:43.12 | delusional | ah, it was trying to push all sounds thru my connected television. BZ seems just fine under yosemite. |
| 09:45.54 | TD-Linux | delusional, well 380fps means it's not syncing to the osx compositor for some reason |
| 09:46.02 | TD-Linux | it should be solid 60 or whatever your refresh is |
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| 16:17.00 | delusional | here's my crash. http://pastebin.com/jWkBqL4p I'll build debug if you want me to. |
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| 18:08.13 | blast007 | delusional: does either of these work without crashing? http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/mac/BZFlag-2.4.3-20140102-nogamma2.zip http://download.bzflag.org/2.4.3/mac/BZFlag-2.4.3-20140404-SDL2.zip |
| 18:09.01 | blast007 | there was a topic here discussing the exact crash you were having and it was related to the gamma functions in SDL (or SDL's triggering of a bug in the Apple graphics drivers) http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=18654 |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM_ | if there is a rikers cup why isn't there a Schoeneman cup? |
| 18:16.51 | brad | riker made the map gu is based on |
| 18:18.32 | JeffM_ | ahh |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM_ | do VPSs usualy cap out at 100 mb/s? |
| 18:27.59 | blast007 | some companies now use gigabit on this physical hosts, but of course that is shared |
| 18:28.44 | JeffM_ | that makes sense |
| 18:29.15 | JeffM_ | I was getting a slowdown on my backup from my VPS and was unclear why |
| 18:29.41 | blast007 | https://www.linode.com/pricing seems linode even has some that go up to 10Gbit out at the top end |
| 18:30.13 | JeffM_ | I'm pondering upgrading my home connection to the 100/10 plan |
| 18:30.19 | blast007 | what transfer method are you using? |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM_ | scp |
| 18:30.51 | blast007 | for me at least, I've found that scp will stall out if you leave it unthrottled |
| 18:31.04 | JeffM_ | interesting |
| 18:31.56 | JeffM_ | I was just copying some tarbals, I don't have automated backups, just after the hell that was the burst.net failure I wanted to keep some somewhat current backups at home |
| 18:33.44 | blast007 | I do my backup transfers from my server to my home with scp -p -oCompression=no -l 12000 (where the 12000 is 12000 Kbit/sec) The -p preserves timestamps (which is useful for cleaning up old backups on the remote host), and since they're already compressed files I turn off compression. |
| 18:34.03 | JeffM_ | ahh |
| 18:34.39 | blast007 | I've got a 15 meg connection at the moment to get an idea of the percentage of bandwidth I've set the throttle to |
| 18:35.05 | JeffM_ | i was just bumped to 50 down |
| 18:35.36 | blast007 | whenever I get around to canceling my TV service, they'll give me a new modem and bump me to 30 ;) |
| 18:35.44 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 18:35.57 | JeffM_ | for 10$ more I can go to 100 down 10 up |
| 18:36.05 | blast007 | and sadly the new modem will have horrible boot times.. |
| 18:36.13 | JeffM_ | I'm thinking it will be worth it for the 10 up |
| 18:36.21 | JeffM_ | who are you with? |
| 18:36.25 | blast007 | Charter |
| 18:36.42 | JeffM_ | the new modem time warner sent me seems decent |
| 18:36.45 | JeffM_ | it's HUGE |
| 18:36.51 | JeffM_ | but has all the right guts in it |
| 18:37.22 | blast007 | the Charter one my parents have is some Cisco one that seems to take several minutes just to boot, not counting connection times |
| 18:37.28 | TD-Linux | my VPSes have been universally slow. even my DO droplet which is the best out of them is never more than 25mbit/s |
| 18:37.44 | JeffM_ | TD-Linux, it was DO I was dowlaoding from |
| 18:37.57 | JeffM_ | it eventualy peaked up to 53mbits/s |
| 18:38.04 | JeffM_ | but it was highly variable |
| 18:38.19 | blast007 | the joys of shared I/O ;) |
| 18:38.26 | JeffM_ | seems to hold my full upload just fine |
| 18:38.43 | JeffM_ | I could upgrade to 300 down 20 up and give it a run for it's money |
| 18:39.10 | TD-Linux | also sometimes the sftp / scp protocol is a limitation due to latency. |
| 18:41.49 | JeffM_ | so far I've been happy with Digital Ocean |
| 18:44.31 | TD-Linux | they are by far better than the other VPSes I've had. partly due to not being openvz |
| 18:45.56 | JeffM_ | that and they haven't lied to me about totaly being in busness when they are totaly going out of busness :) |
| 18:46.04 | TD-Linux | also most cheap vpses use this control panel that is sold as machine obfuscated php and gets cracked every other week. |
| 18:46.18 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 18:47.26 | Jeffm | burst first just told everyone "your stuff will be shutdown in 8 hours" then appearanly nobody liked that so they sold the VPSs to another provider |
| 18:47.38 | Jeffm | who sent everyone emails 2 weeks later with billing statements |
| 19:03.34 | delusional | blast007: the nogamma one seems just fine at first try... the other one gives weird colors |
| 19:04.30 | Jeffm | apple still have busted gama codes? |
| 19:16.53 | delusional | not using yousemite right now... but the test did go well. |
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