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| 00:47.22 | blindinoneeye | any active @'s that could message me id appreciate it :) |
| 00:50.06 | blast007 | blindinoneeye: depends what/where you're talking about |
| 00:50.41 | blindinoneeye | umm i think it's called easy's server |
| 00:50.56 | blast007 | what about it? |
| 00:51.48 | blindinoneeye | some guys on there seding threats that he's going to "remove" people and calling names - was hoping someone was active and could take a look as he seems to be going from server to server making everyone leave |
| 00:52.56 | blast007 | join a different server then. I don't get what's so special about that server... it's literally just a random map that the BZFlag server creates when you don't specify any map file. |
| 00:53.10 | blindinoneeye | yeah i haveive seen him in two diff ones |
| 00:54.15 | blast007 | the /owner command would tell you the bzbb forum username (and game callsign) of the person who owns the server |
| 00:56.11 | blindinoneeye | yeah he's cleared it out now nouns there |
| 00:56.38 | blindinoneeye | is there a good US host for bzflag servers? |
| 00:58.41 | JeffM | there are many |
| 00:58.56 | blindinoneeye | id like to dabble in the development and customization |
| 00:59.24 | JeffM | then get a little vps and give it a shot |
| 00:59.50 | blindinoneeye | i have a VPS now for web development - but they'd probably block if i installed a game server |
| 01:00.31 | JeffM | check your TOS but many won't |
| 01:00.39 | JeffM | the VPS is already CPU limited |
| 01:00.51 | JeffM | it's shared hosting that usually can't do games |
| 01:00.59 | JeffM | and that's different then a vps |
| 01:01.05 | JeffM | who is your host? |
| 01:01.06 | blast007 | and bzfs is pretty lightweight on CPU/RAM |
| 01:01.24 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:01.31 | blindinoneeye | just chatted with them and said it has to be on a separate game server: http://www.liquidweb.com/solutions/game-servers.html |
| 01:01.35 | blindinoneeye | liquidweb |
| 01:02.12 | JeffM | all those use a lot more resources then bzfs |
| 01:02.22 | blindinoneeye | yeah i can imagine |
| 01:02.44 | JeffM | just install it and see |
| 01:02.52 | brad | how much do you pay for that? |
| 01:03.08 | brad | noticed the VPS start at... $50/mo lol |
| 01:03.11 | blast007 | $50/month for a VPS with 0.9GB RAM.. |
| 01:03.15 | brad | haha right |
| 01:03.22 | blindinoneeye | i think I'm grandfathered in to a lower plan |
| 01:03.25 | blindinoneeye | i pay like $20 |
| 01:03.28 | JeffM | wow that is a rip off |
| 01:03.33 | JeffM | like seriously |
| 01:03.34 | blast007 | blindinoneeye: for what specs? |
| 01:03.35 | brad | https://fast-hosting.net/virtual-servers < $4/mo |
| 01:03.51 | JeffM | even Vps.net is way better then that |
| 01:03.57 | blindinoneeye | id have to look but has always been good fast with good service |
| 01:04.07 | blindinoneeye | brad - does that one allow bzfs |
| 01:04.08 | JeffM | thats like 3 times what you should be paying |
| 01:04.14 | brad | yeah |
| 01:04.31 | brad | and you'd get more resources for a lot less $ |
| 01:04.33 | blast007 | how much RAM does your VPS have allocated? |
| 01:04.46 | blindinoneeye | i think its either 2 or 4GB |
| 01:04.54 | brad | the huge hosting companies always overcharge by crazy amounrs |
| 01:04.57 | brad | amounts* |
| 01:05.00 | blast007 | so that's not terrible then |
| 01:05.13 | blindinoneeye | which plan would you recommend if i want to use it solely to host a dedicated bfs? |
| 01:05.16 | blindinoneeye | bzfs* |
| 01:05.17 | JeffM | what kind of web app do you run that needs 4 gigs of ram? |
| 01:05.27 | JeffM | bzfs uses like 20 megs of ram |
| 01:05.28 | blast007 | JeffM: mediawiki? :P |
| 01:05.32 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:05.35 | brad | you can *easily* run it on the smallest plan |
| 01:05.55 | brad | bz uses literally nothing, unless you have a tonne of plug-ins |
| 01:06.15 | blindinoneeye | cool |
| 01:06.16 | brad | ..which only apoc does :p |
| 01:06.18 | JeffM | yeah it's very small |
| 01:06.20 | blindinoneeye | where are they located? I don't see |
| 01:06.34 | brad | those are in Dallas |
| 01:06.36 | JeffM | they keep moving hosts |
| 01:07.01 | blindinoneeye | thats pretty cheap |
| 01:07.07 | JeffM | but really any VPS should be fine for starters |
| 01:07.29 | blindinoneeye | i just wanna start my own and play around with it |
| 01:07.33 | JeffM | bzflag is very old, it was made for computers way less powerful then we have now |
| 01:07.34 | blindinoneeye | easy is in croatia too :P |
| 01:07.52 | blast007 | I'm using something between 10 and 128MB for my bzfs instances.. "res" shows around 10MB, virt shows around 128.. |
| 01:07.52 | JeffM | there is no reason anyone should play on that server |
| 01:07.54 | brad | ya you won't need much to play around with, i've run bzfs on less |
| 01:07.58 | blast007 | but that's also a debug build :) |
| 01:08.17 | blindinoneeye | even with 10-15 people on ? |
| 01:08.29 | JeffM | we don't store a lot of data per player |
| 01:08.33 | JeffM | maybe a k or 2 |
| 01:08.34 | blast007 | I don't think the RAM really increases all that much with player count |
| 01:08.43 | blindinoneeye | cool I'm going to see if i can get one going now |
| 01:08.52 | blast007 | also think I have an 8MB replay buffer, but not sure where that fits into the equation |
| 01:08.56 | JeffM | bzfs really is just a message relay with a few functions for spawning and giving out flags |
| 01:09.14 | blast007 | I'd also highly recommend building from the latest v2_4_x git code if you want to host |
| 01:09.14 | brad | just dont go crazy with plug-ins :D |
| 01:09.17 | blast007 | ~bzgit |
| 01:09.17 | infobot | bzgit is, like, git clone --branch v2_4_x https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3.git bzflag |
| 01:09.17 | JeffM | all of the game logic is done on the client |
| 01:09.28 | brad | especially plug-ins i make, they all leak memory |
| 01:09.40 | JeffM | brad, it depends what the plugin does, a lot of the shot ones on mofo have to store data per shot that's why they go crazy |
| 01:09.54 | brad | ahh |
| 01:09.56 | JeffM | brad, because you refuse to free your player records :) |
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| 01:10.19 | brad | heh |
| 01:10.51 | JeffM | for 2.6 I can make a function return a shared_ptr to a player record then you won't have to |
| 01:10.53 | blast007 | I've run bzfs on a Nokia N800 internet tablet which is a Linux tablet with a 400MHz ARM processor and 128MB RAM ;) |
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| 01:12.10 | blast007 | Guest92115: connection drop? |
| 01:12.18 | brad | did it..work? |
| 01:12.21 | blindinoneeye | nope thats me |
| 01:12.24 | blast007 | k |
| 01:12.30 | blindinoneeye | switching from web to an actual client |
| 01:12.37 | Will13 | :) |
| 01:13.12 | Will13 | what OS do you guys prefer for bzfs? |
| 01:13.16 | blast007 | linux |
| 01:13.33 | Will13 | centos, ubuntu, or debian look to be choices |
| 01:13.39 | Will13 | only one ive used is ubuntu |
| 01:13.49 | JeffM | pick one you like |
| 01:13.53 | JeffM | it doesn't really mater |
| 01:13.59 | brad | debian wont have 2.4 in repos |
| 01:14.07 | brad | but compiling is easy enough |
| 01:14.09 | blast007 | you won't want to use the ones in the repos anyway |
| 01:14.15 | brad | ah right :P |
| 01:14.18 | blast007 | like I said, latest 2.4.x from git :) |
| 01:14.29 | blast007 | has crash fixes |
| 01:14.40 | Will13 | im assuming 64bit is pointless for bzfs as well |
| 01:15.23 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:16.15 | JeffM | 64 bit doesn't mean faster, it means more ram |
| 01:16.19 | blast007 | I think with Linux you can use more than 4GB RAM even if you do 32-bit through the use of a PAE kernel, but you're limited on the per-process memory |
| 01:16.33 | Will13 | wow that was fast - instant activation |
| 01:16.58 | blast007 | that kind of thing is possible when you don't have to provision any hardware ;) |
| 01:17.14 | JeffM | just copy an image |
| 01:18.28 | Will13 | i havent compiled anything in awhile so this might take me a bit :) |
| 01:18.49 | JeffM | there are instructions, read them |
| 01:24.54 | Will13 | reading the wiki now |
| 01:25.08 | blast007 | there's instructions provided with the actual source |
| 01:25.10 | blast007 | git clone --branch v2_4_x https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-import-3.git bzflag |
| 01:26.42 | Will13 | i guess server is still installing can’t get into console yet |
| 01:36.22 | Will13 | guess server messed up during installl - can’t access it |
| 01:37.41 | Will13 | Boot failed: could not read boot disk. Drive failed |
| 01:37.50 | Will13 | well that’s good to see on first install :P |
| 01:38.22 | brad | ask 'em, they usually sort things quick |
| 01:38.36 | brad | I never saw that issue though |
| 01:38.37 | Will13 | im reinstalling now |
| 01:39.10 | Will13 | might of rebooted it during install but it said it was finished |
| 01:39.13 | brad | ~seen rob1n |
| 01:39.18 | infobot | rob1n is currently on #bzflag (7h 41m 2s), last said: 'announce a bzflag mmorpg'. |
| 01:39.29 | Will13 | hrmm maybe not |
| 01:39.45 | Will13 | “Failed to load installer component. Loading partman-partioning failed with fatal error |
| 01:41.29 | blast007 | talk to your host :) |
| 01:44.07 | Will13 | got a ticket in |
| 01:44.41 | Will13 | Titled ubuntu installation failed. they replied “What OS would you like?” |
| 01:44.47 | Will13 | :P |
| 01:50.53 | Will13 | “It seems you\'ve been unfortunate enough to come across a bug in our installer which I haven\'t seen before.” |
| 01:53.31 | rob1n | brad, what's up :) |
| 01:53.40 | brad | hey |
| 01:53.50 | brad | are you shorty114 by any chance? |
| 01:53.53 | rob1n | yeah haha |
| 01:54.00 | brad | oh wow |
| 01:54.05 | rob1n | it's been a while |
| 01:54.10 | brad | didn't know you were still lurking in here :p |
| 01:54.21 | brad | not seen you for years, then suddenly saw that name |
| 01:54.43 | rob1n | i started signing back on irc a few months ago |
| 01:54.49 | rob1n | so that's probably why |
| 01:54.57 | brad | ahh cool. what are you up to? |
| 01:55.09 | rob1n | not much, close to finishing school up |
| 01:55.16 | rob1n | how have you been |
| 01:55.49 | brad | yeah...been ok. keeping busy ;) |
| 01:56.02 | brad | and playing bz still :D |
| 01:56.11 | rob1n | haha i haven't played in a long time |
| 01:58.30 | brad | you should play some |
| 02:01.06 | rob1n | did you used to play at viper's server a lot? |
| 02:01.13 | rob1n | i swear that's where we first met |
| 02:01.18 | brad | yeah...that's where i startefd |
| 02:01.21 | brad | started |
| 02:03.04 | rob1n | wow two castles is so classic it has its own facebook page |
| 02:10.04 | blast007 | nah, if it was really that classic, it would have it's own myspace page |
| 02:10.11 | blast007 | with a link to geocities |
| 02:10.45 | rob1n | blast007, that's retro, different thing |
| 02:10.50 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:33.47 | Will13 | blast007: n00b question |
| 02:34.13 | Will13 | do i need to change the version in the —branch argument on the git command? |
| 02:34.59 | blast007 | that's a branch, so that will get the latest of the 2.4 code |
| 02:35.06 | Will13 | hrm i am getting an error |
| 02:35.07 | blast007 | so no, leave it as is |
| 02:35.12 | blast007 | what error? |
| 02:35.31 | Will13 | remote branch 2_4_x not found in upstream origin |
| 02:35.48 | blast007 | that's because it's v2_4_x not 2_4_x ;) |
| 02:36.04 | Will13 | oops |
| 02:36.34 | Will13 | seems to be working now |
| 02:45.35 | blast007 | make sure to read the README.Linux |
| 02:46.24 | blast007 | and you can skip installing libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libglew1.5-dev |
| 02:46.34 | blast007 | (those are only for the graphical client) |
| 02:50.52 | Will13 | i think im in over my head |
| 03:01.59 | Will13 | running autogen right now |
| 03:13.15 | Will13 | Is there no way to find your callsign via your email? |
| 03:13.29 | Will13 | Tells me I already have an account - but dont remember the callsign |
| 03:16.33 | Will13 | ah hah - got it |
| 03:24.55 | Will13 | I think I successfully compiled bzflag |
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| 17:57.44 | Will13 | Is there a more detailed guide on server configuration then the bzflag wiki? |
| 18:05.06 | JeffM | not really |
| 18:05.21 | blast007 | 'man bzfs' and 'bzfs -help' has the configuration options |
| 18:05.30 | JeffM | but then so does the wiki |
| 18:07.08 | blast007 | Will13: are you getting stuck on something specific? |
| 18:07.34 | Will13 | well I have successfully compiled bzfs |
| 18:07.54 | Will13 | I have to wait on doing the authentication key as it appears the bzflag site deleted my callsign :P |
| 18:08.08 | blast007 | deleted? it doesn't do that itself |
| 18:08.08 | JeffM | you can't log into the forums? |
| 18:08.15 | JeffM | yeah that'd be odd |
| 18:08.21 | Will13 | well |
| 18:08.25 | Will13 | I reset my password last night |
| 18:08.32 | Will13 | I got the email and it reset successfully |
| 18:08.37 | Will13 | I try to login and it says wrong |
| 18:08.43 | Will13 | go to reset it again it tells me my username doesnt exist |
| 18:09.38 | JeffM | what was the username? |
| 18:10.05 | Will13 | NoTanksForMe |
| 18:10.29 | Will13 | emailed the bzbbadmin@porteighty.org yesterday but havent heard back yet |
| 18:10.33 | blast007 | the name doesn't exist anymore because you changed it after recoverying your password |
| 18:10.37 | blast007 | recovering* |
| 18:10.40 | Will13 | I didn’t change it |
| 18:10.42 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:10.53 | JeffM | I bet the logs differ |
| 18:11.00 | blast007 | I'm looking at the logs, yeah ;) |
| 18:11.07 | Will13 | What did I change it too? |
| 18:11.18 | Will13 | the email says: Hello NoTanksForMe |
| 18:11.18 | Will13 | You are receiving this notification because you have (or someone pretending |
| 18:11.19 | Will13 | to be you has) requested a new password |
| 18:12.42 | JeffM | blast007 runs our services for us, I'm sure he can get you fixed up. |
| 18:12.55 | blast007 | yep, already /msg'ed him |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM | cooleo |
| 18:13.13 | Will13 | yep |
| 18:13.23 | Will13 | autocomplete must of changed it when i was going to the password |
| 18:14.05 | JeffM | you use lastpass? |
| 18:14.13 | JeffM | it does that sometimes |
| 18:14.22 | Will13 | Yeah |
| 18:14.24 | Will13 | :P |
| 18:14.26 | Will13 | Thanks blast007 |
| 18:14.39 | Will13 | Does anyone know if fast-hosting.net vps are static or dynamic? |
| 18:14.41 | blast007 | no prob |
| 18:14.54 | JeffM | they are almost always dynamic |
| 18:14.56 | JeffM | sorry static |
| 18:14.58 | blast007 | the IP addresses? hosting providers do static IPs |
| 18:15.07 | JeffM | you can't host a webpage on a dynamic IP :) |
| 18:15.15 | Will13 | makes sense :P |
| 18:15.18 | blast007 | at least not very well |
| 18:15.27 | JeffM | yeah caching would be hard |
| 18:15.29 | Will13 | i now have an authentication key for bzfs :P |
| 18:15.33 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:15.33 | Will13 | im going places |
| 18:15.36 | Will13 | not fast - but im going |
| 18:15.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:16.02 | JeffM | bzfs -publickey xXX -public 'Some description' and you should be good to go |
| 18:16.10 | JeffM | that'll give you a one shot random map |
| 18:16.15 | JeffM | with no admin :) |
| 18:16.24 | Will13 | so I add it to the exec and not config file? |
| 18:16.31 | blast007 | either |
| 18:16.41 | blast007 | it parses the same way |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM | the config file is just a list of command line arguments |
| 18:17.00 | Will13 | I can change config settings in game can’t I once I setup an admin? |
| 18:17.02 | JeffM | it is not required but handy |
| 18:17.11 | blast007 | most you can not, no |
| 18:17.14 | JeffM | generaly you have to restart for major stuff |
| 18:17.26 | JeffM | you can't change maps, or add shots, or stuff like that |
| 18:17.29 | JeffM | with out a restart |
| 18:17.40 | Will13 | So I can’t set them in game then restart the server to take effect? |
| 18:17.44 | blast007 | even some BZDB settings (which you can alter via /set in-game) may require at least a reconnect to reflect properly |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM | no you shut the server down |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM | change the config or command line |
| 18:18.01 | JeffM | and run again |
| 18:18.23 | JeffM | very few things can be set in game |
| 18:18.39 | JeffM | bzflag is old ;) |
| 18:18.49 | Will13 | ah ok |
| 18:18.58 | JeffM | this is why config files are so handy, it lets you save your arguments and makes restarts easy |
| 18:19.02 | Will13 | I think Im going to ftp in and download config then re-upload -w orking in VI is a pain |
| 18:19.09 | blast007 | also, you'll want to run the server in something like 'screen' or 'tmux' so that it won't close down when you shut down your SSH connection (or background/nohup the process, which I'm not sure if the actual proocess) |
| 18:19.20 | blast007 | sure of* |
| 18:19.22 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:19.50 | blast007 | you can also have a shared config file for multiple servers and then reference that in your per-server config files |
| 18:19.56 | Will13 | “The program bzfs is not currently install. You can install it by typing apt-get install bzflag-server |
| 18:20.18 | JeffM | if you compiled it you need to be in the location it compiled to |
| 18:20.22 | JeffM | or install your compiled version |
| 18:20.23 | Will13 | I am |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM | and you are typing ./bzfs ? |
| 18:20.39 | JeffM | or just bzfs ? |
| 18:21.04 | Will13 | yeah - but I dont see bzfs in /bzflag |
| 18:21.19 | Will13 | Did I install the wrong version? I used the command blast gave me last night |
| 18:21.32 | JeffM | no, building it doesn't put it in the root |
| 18:21.38 | blast007 | did you just do what I gave you, or did you also compile it? |
| 18:21.52 | blast007 | the git command I gave just checks out the source code |
| 18:22.04 | Will13 | i compiled it |
| 18:22.07 | blast007 | k |
| 18:22.10 | Will13 | it’s in /root/bzflag |
| 18:22.23 | blast007 | eww, why did you build it as root? :P |
| 18:22.27 | Will13 | dunno |
| 18:22.32 | Will13 | I’m new to this all :P |
| 18:22.47 | Will13 | I was just happy I was able to compile it successfully |
| 18:23.03 | blast007 | the 'bzfs' command will be available system-wide if you 'sudo make install' from the source tree, but up to you if you want to do that. |
| 18:23.19 | blast007 | but definitly don't run bzfs as root |
| 18:23.24 | Will13 | says I need to install bzflag-server |
| 18:23.38 | blast007 | no |
| 18:23.51 | blast007 | you didn't 'make install' yet, right? |
| 18:24.05 | Will13 | I think so |
| 18:24.33 | Will13 | http://s21.postimg.org/4xp5uqitz/Screen_Shot_2014_06_05_at_2_23_49_PM.png |
| 18:25.25 | blast007 | src/bzfs/bzfs -version |
| 18:26.09 | Will13 | currently not installed |
| 18:26.13 | Will13 | :/ |
| 18:26.18 | blast007 | that would not say that |
| 18:26.25 | Will13 | it just did :P |
| 18:26.34 | blast007 | show me *that* screenshot then ;) |
| 18:26.49 | Will13 | http://postimg.org/image/wnd0hlap5/ |
| 18:26.55 | Will13 | http://s28.postimg.org/500b3hpil/Screen_Shot_2014_06_05_at_2_26_27_PM.png |
| 18:26.56 | Will13 | rather |
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| 18:28.03 | blast007 | you didn't run what I said |
| 18:28.15 | Will13 | what’s that? |
| 18:28.52 | blast007 | I said to run 'src/bzfs/bzfs', but you changed to src/bzfs and then ran bzfs |
| 18:28.52 | blast007 | that's different |
| 18:28.53 | blast007 | so since you're in there now, run ./bzfs -version |
| 18:29.10 | Will13 | oops |
| 18:29.29 | JeffM | if you don't put a path infront of a command it looks at the system paths, not your current path |
| 18:29.40 | Will13 | 2.4.3.20140604-devel-linux-gnu |
| 18:29.50 | Will13 | Yeah I caught that now |
| 18:29.51 | blast007 | a bare command will only search the $PATH (that could include . which is the current directory, but that's not default nor recommended) |
| 18:30.36 | blast007 | (and the reason it's not recommended is that a malicious user could put an evil version of a command in a directory you might be in) |
| 18:31.05 | blast007 | but anyways, if you 'make install' it will place bzfs in /usr/local/bin/ and you'll be able to just run 'bzfs' from anywhere |
| 18:31.39 | JeffM | don't you have to do that as sudo? |
| 18:31.54 | blast007 | he's already root ;) |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM | oh my |
| 18:32.02 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 18:32.20 | blast007 | that may cause issues, actually.. |
| 18:33.17 | blast007 | permissions or ownership issues, specifically. Not sure if we normalize all that during make install. Ideally you'd checkout and build as a normal user, and ONLY elevate to root for the 'make install' (via sudo or otherwise) |
| 18:34.15 | Will13 | hmm invalid command -public JeffM |
| 18:34.20 | Will13 | I think you meant -publictitle? :P |
| 18:34.24 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:34.56 | blast007 | I think 2.0 had it named differently |
| 18:35.02 | Will13 | Ok - I think it started just gave me a qwarning about no acceleration limit set |
| 18:35.39 | blast007 | that's just a warning saying it will apply default settings, and it's only warning because it was something we had changed the defaults on some years back |
| 18:35.49 | blast007 | now you could join the server from a game client |
| 18:36.02 | Will13 | alright - it showed up in the server list! |
| 18:36.07 | blast007 | ;D |
| 18:36.08 | Will13 | except it’s in purple :P |
| 18:36.22 | blast007 | color is based on various settings, like shot count |
| 18:36.46 | Will13 | ah yeah apparently default is one shot |
| 18:36.50 | blast007 | yep |
| 18:36.56 | Will13 | and no jumping eek |
| 18:37.05 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:37.09 | blast007 | and no rico |
| 18:37.12 | blast007 | and no flags |
| 18:37.19 | Will13 | so I guess now - download the config file - go thru it and set everything? |
| 18:37.43 | blast007 | "download the config file" meaning what? |
| 18:37.55 | Will13 | well i tried editing the config file thru vi and it was a pain |
| 18:38.05 | Will13 | I assumed downloading it locally and editing and then re-uploading is easier |
| 18:38.10 | blast007 | nah |
| 18:38.48 | blast007 | might be worth installing the 'vim' package as well as that might make the experience of vi a bit better.. think the default vi package is vim-tiny which acts a bit odd. |
| 18:39.07 | blast007 | or use nano or pico or other editors |
| 18:39.27 | Will13 | yeah i struggled with vi |
| 18:40.07 | Will13 | how do I take down the server so I can use console again? |
| 18:40.34 | blast007 | and you should edit your config in small amounts and test, that way you know what broke it ;) |
| 18:40.36 | JeffM | yeah I haven't made a server in a while :) |
| 18:40.37 | blast007 | Ctrl-C |
| 18:41.19 | Will13 | ah i was hitting command-c |
| 18:41.35 | Will13 | installing vim now |
| 18:41.51 | Will13 | so since i had issues with the server last night right out of bat |
| 18:41.55 | Will13 | they upgraded my server for life |
| 18:42.00 | Will13 | and gave me a day credit :P |
| 18:42.43 | Will13 | I get the $7/mo plan for $4 :D |
| 18:45.41 | blast007 | neat ;) |
| 18:49.06 | Will13 | vim is much nicer |
| 18:50.56 | blast007 | the vim-tiny package seems to insert letters when you use the arrow keys in edit mode, so that's usually the thing that makes me install the normal 'vim' package ;) |
| 18:51.24 | Will13 | yeah |
| 18:51.29 | Will13 | vim makes it easy |
| 18:51.39 | Will13 | once i looked up the shortcuts piece of cake |
| 18:52.11 | Will13 | hmm my config file has -j but i could not jump? |
| 18:58.14 | Will13 | “# This option allows jumping.” / -j |
| 18:58.25 | Will13 | if I comment -j out I’d think that would disable jumping? |
| 19:02.21 | blast007 | right |
| 19:03.05 | blast007 | what option do you have before that? |
| 19:04.05 | Will13 | #-i interface |
| 19:16.26 | *** join/#bzflag apeman (~Victor@222-155-41-238.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 19:16.29 | Will13 | i just started server again and none of changes are met |
| 19:16.39 | Will13 | Is there a command I am missing whereit’s not reading the config file? |
| 19:16.45 | Will13 | using bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf |
| 19:17.18 | JeffM | it does not load the config by defalt |
| 19:17.28 | JeffM | you have to give it a command line option and then the locaiton of the config |
| 19:18.17 | Will13 | ah that explains it |
| 19:18.27 | blast007 | also, don't use the same config file |
| 19:18.29 | JeffM | I belive it's -conf |
| 19:18.33 | blast007 | make it yourself from scratch |
| 19:18.35 | JeffM | then the file path/name |
| 19:18.42 | JeffM | but yeah it's better to make your own |
| 19:18.46 | JeffM | with just what you want/need |
| 19:18.51 | JeffM | the sample has too much stuff |
| 19:18.51 | blast007 | it's far too easy to screw up and not know when whe you start with that monster |
| 19:19.00 | Will13 | ok |
| 19:19.04 | blast007 | not know why when* |
| 19:19.53 | Will13 | im looking for the command |
| 19:20.04 | Will13 | it is -conf thanks |
| 19:20.30 | Will13 | let me try now |
| 19:22.04 | Will13 | woohoo |
| 19:22.26 | Will13 | only thing that doesn’t work now is im not appearing on the server list |
| 19:22.46 | JeffM | did you put in your key? |
| 19:23.20 | Will13 | ahh |
| 19:23.26 | Will13 | i thought I did |
| 19:23.53 | JeffM | hence why it's better for you to make a config from scratch :) |
| 19:23.56 | Will13 | “Note also that recent BZFlag installations come with a "nice" web-based configuration builder that lets you create a configuration using a simple web form” |
| 19:24.18 | JeffM | meh |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM | it' kinda stucks |
| 19:24.35 | blast007 | pretty sure I nuked the one we bundled |
| 19:24.36 | Will13 | k ill just make from scratch |
| 19:24.57 | blast007 | it too had the problem that people would generate bad configs with it and not know why |
| 19:25.14 | blast007 | I had starting making a new one but got bored ;) |
| 19:25.49 | WarPig | What is the set variable to shorten laser range? _laserAdLife? |
| 19:26.08 | Will13 | what do the tildes mean in vim? |
| 19:26.15 | Will13 | I just made a conf file from scratch and it’s filled with them |
| 19:26.34 | WarPig | use nano, your life will be less stressful. :) |
| 19:26.40 | JeffM | empty line |
| 19:26.53 | blast007 | not even empty, it means the line doesn't exist |
| 19:27.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:27.03 | Will13 | ah ok |
| 19:27.05 | JeffM | it means nothing |
| 19:27.27 | blast007 | lets you know that you don't have 30 extra blank line at the end of your files ;) |
| 19:28.12 | Will13 | gotcha |
| 19:28.26 | Will13 | im going thru the wiki now and only adding the configs i want |
| 19:28.42 | JeffM | start simple |
| 19:28.48 | JeffM | get it on the list server first |
| 19:28.51 | JeffM | then add stuff |
| 19:29.03 | blast007 | and test after a couple changes each time |
| 19:29.43 | WarPig | blast007: 01What is the set variable to shorten laser range? _laserAdLife?01 |
| 19:30.03 | WarPig | s/shorten/change/ |
| 19:30.25 | Will13 | _laserAdVel no? |
| 19:30.30 | blast007 | copies the black text to notepad so he can actually read that |
| 19:30.46 | Will13 | _laserAdVel1000The length of each laser shot. Lasers aren't exactly "infinite" as their description states, they go on for as long as this variable states. |
| 19:31.25 | WarPig | <-- not doing anything to change text colors, did not know IRC even supported colored text |
| 19:31.26 | blast007 | sounds like that |
| 19:31.48 | Will13 | WarPig: this has been helpful for me: http://wiki.bzflag.org/Server_Variables |
| 19:32.16 | WarPig | Thanks |
| 19:33.22 | blast007 | WarPig: had you copy/pasted the line? only that line was black and only the part after my name was black. |
| 19:33.38 | WarPig | Yes |
| 19:33.49 | blast007 | probably grabbed font color too ;) |
| 19:33.55 | WarPig | ah |
| 19:34.11 | Will13 | what exactly does the building density var mean? |
| 19:34.17 | Will13 | how wide they are? |
| 19:34.37 | blast007 | Will13: that's controls how many buildings spawn in a randomly generated map |
| 19:34.43 | Will13 | ahhh |
| 19:34.51 | Will13 | how many - got it |
| 19:34.59 | Will13 | I was thinking in terms of their density :P |
| 19:35.02 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:37.01 | Will13 | I see the option -tk to disable punishing a teamkiller - but don’t see a flag to disable team killing entirely? |
| 19:37.57 | JeffM | it's a game mode |
| 19:38.02 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 19:38.13 | JeffM | do you want teams or do you want no teams? |
| 19:38.36 | Will13 | no - just kind of a free for all like easy’s server |
| 19:38.42 | JeffM | so no teams |
| 19:38.52 | JeffM | then your game mode is OpenFFA not FFA |
| 19:39.03 | JeffM | FFA isn't really Free for All, it's Free for Some |
| 19:39.14 | JeffM | then nobody is on a team at all |
| 19:39.18 | JeffM | everyone can blow everyone else up |
| 19:39.25 | Will13 | ah |
| 19:39.32 | Will13 | so essentially everyones rogue |
| 19:39.36 | JeffM | sure |
| 19:39.41 | JeffM | but you can still pick a color |
| 19:40.07 | Will13 | yeah thats what i want |
| 19:40.10 | Will13 | that’s default, no? |
| 19:40.13 | JeffM | nope |
| 19:40.19 | JeffM | Team FFA is the default |
| 19:40.24 | JeffM | has been forever |
| 19:40.33 | JeffM | openFFA was a later addition |
| 19:40.43 | Will13 | Team FFA allows team killings. open does not? |
| 19:41.05 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:41.08 | JeffM | since you have teams |
| 19:41.17 | Will13 | ok looking for the command now - don’t see it on the var list |
| 19:41.24 | JeffM | it's not a variable |
| 19:42.30 | JeffM | offa |
| 19:42.33 | JeffM | -offa |
| 19:42.34 | Will13 | How do you set game mode then? |
| 19:42.35 | Will13 | ah |
| 19:43.05 | JeffM | if you want to disable team kills in a team game then you use -noTeamKills |
| 19:43.30 | JeffM | did you get it connected to the list server? |
| 19:43.41 | Will13 | still making the config |
| 19:43.45 | JeffM | start simple |
| 19:43.49 | JeffM | seriously |
| 19:44.06 | JeffM | just be sure you can connect and show up |
| 19:44.12 | JeffM | then shut it down and fix the rest |
| 19:44.22 | Will13 | yeah i got that far |
| 19:44.30 | JeffM | so it showd up on the list server? |
| 19:45.42 | Will13 | yeah |
| 19:45.52 | Will13 | now im getting “Segmentation fault” when I try to start server |
| 19:46.04 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker) |
| 19:46.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:46.13 | JeffM | then turn off some stuff and see when it starts working |
| 19:46.27 | Will13 | even with just “bzfs’ to start it doesnt load |
| 19:46.27 | JeffM | and did you shutdown the old server properly? |
| 19:46.36 | Will13 | probably not |
| 19:46.50 | Will13 | I just Ctrl-C’d it |
| 19:46.54 | JeffM | you can only have one running on a port at a time |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM | kilall bzfs |
| 19:47.10 | JeffM | killall sorry |
| 19:47.13 | Will13 | killall bzfs |
| 19:47.14 | JeffM | see if anything is running |
| 19:47.16 | Will13 | err.. |
| 19:47.24 | JeffM | please enter root password |
| 19:47.31 | Will13 | says bzfs: no process found |
| 19:47.38 | JeffM | then it ain't running |
| 19:47.45 | JeffM | what error does it say when you try to run it i? |
| 19:48.00 | Will13 | hmm it ran this time |
| 19:48.10 | Will13 | whats the proper way to shut the server down when its running? |
| 19:48.35 | blast007 | Ctrl-C |
| 19:48.54 | JeffM | as long as you are in the correct context |
| 19:49.01 | JeffM | if you started it in screen then you have to be in the same screen |
| 19:49.06 | Will13 | ah there we go |
| 19:49.13 | Will13 | let me see if it’s running now |
| 19:50.13 | Will13 | woohoo it works! |
| 19:50.27 | Will13 | only thing I need to fix now is the amount of flags - there arent as many as id like |
| 19:50.45 | JeffM | how are you adding them? |
| 19:51.07 | Will13 | i havent done anything with flags in the config |
| 19:51.19 | JeffM | so there are 0 flags? |
| 19:51.24 | Will13 | there were |
| 19:51.26 | Will13 | just not many |
| 19:51.34 | blast007 | there are no flags by default |
| 19:51.34 | JeffM | then you had to add them somehow |
| 19:51.41 | JeffM | did you use +s or something? |
| 19:51.45 | Will13 | umm |
| 19:51.51 | blast007 | +f +s and -s add flags |
| 19:52.01 | Will13 | no i have neither of those |
| 19:52.08 | blast007 | also if you're in CTF mode, there will be team flags, of course ;) |
| 19:52.21 | JeffM | you had to add flags somehow |
| 19:52.31 | blast007 | are you loading a map file? |
| 19:52.50 | Will13 | no random |
| 19:53.02 | Will13 | http://s3.postimg.org/8a56dhhdv/Screen_Shot_2014_06_05_at_3_52_38_PM.png |
| 19:53.05 | Will13 | that’s my config file so far |
| 19:53.15 | blast007 | better to use a pastebin for text |
| 19:53.31 | Will13 | Yeah - but the console im using won’t let me copy :( |
| 19:53.39 | Will13 | been too lazy to switch |
| 19:53.50 | blast007 | that sounds like a worthless console |
| 19:53.58 | Will13 | yeah its the web one from the host |
| 19:53.59 | JeffM | 20 shots, good lord |
| 19:54.00 | Will13 | :D |
| 19:54.08 | JeffM | munchkin server then |
| 19:54.11 | Will13 | yeah |
| 19:54.13 | blast007 | even the SSH client on my android tablet supports copy/paste (though in a kinda sucky way) |
| 19:55.43 | blast007 | and you're STILL running it as root |
| 19:55.45 | blast007 | stop that :P |
| 19:55.47 | Will13 | :P |
| 19:55.52 | Will13 | -f bad |
| 19:55.55 | Will13 | does that disable all bad flags? |
| 19:56.24 | blast007 | -f only affects the randomly spawned flags, the number of which are controlled by -s and +s |
| 19:56.46 | Will13 | the wiki mentions “-s bad” but doesnt mention what it does |
| 19:57.01 | blast007 | the config listed should create 0 flags. |
| 19:57.01 | Will13 | ahh “-f bad” - disables all bad flags |
| 19:57.16 | blast007 | and by "all" it means "some, maybe" |
| 19:57.26 | JeffM | only if they were added with s |
| 19:57.49 | Will13 | im adding with +s now |
| 19:57.56 | blast007 | +f O{50} -f bad will still produce 50 obesity flags (if I got the abbreviation right) |
| 19:59.31 | Will13 | woohoo! its working |
| 20:01.51 | Will13 | does increasing the map size have a big impact on server at all? |
| 20:02.22 | blast007 | larger random world would generate more objects, but that's about it |
| 20:03.27 | Will13 | k going to up it 200 and see |
| 20:04.13 | blast007 | 200 what? |
| 20:04.14 | apeman | it is harder for a big map to start getting filled with players because at first the action is slow |
| 20:04.18 | blast007 | world size defaults to 400, no? |
| 20:04.28 | blast007 | true |
| 20:04.40 | blast007 | but I assumed he was talking about performance impacts |
| 20:04.43 | Will13 | wiki says 800 |
| 20:05.29 | Will13 | i just want it a little bigger - so not sure what type of measurement it uses |
| 20:05.39 | Will13 | ill go to 900 |
| 20:05.43 | apeman | there is _worldSize and then theres the map object world (which does the same thing but specifies half-width) |
| 20:05.45 | blast007 | well, there's different ways to measure it |
| 20:05.49 | blast007 | yep |
| 20:05.57 | Will13 | ah |
| 20:06.00 | Will13 | im using _worldsize |
| 20:06.06 | Will13 | ill try 900 and see how it is |
| 20:07.18 | Will13 | aww dyndns isn’t free anymore :( |
| 20:08.55 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (~rob1n@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 20:13.35 | Will13 | how do I set _worldsize ? |
| 20:13.40 | blast007 | do you have a real domain? |
| 20:13.41 | Will13 | i put it in the config file but it rejected it |
| 20:13.48 | Will13 | No - but no-ip gives you free links |
| 20:13.57 | Will13 | i just got willsparadise.servebeer.com to link to the server :) |
| 20:14.09 | blast007 | -set _worldSize 1000 |
| 20:15.12 | *** join/#bzflag khonkhortisan (~Khonkhort@c-50-132-80-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:16.12 | Will13 | testing now |
| 20:17.50 | Will13 | hrmm |
| 20:17.58 | Will13 | works - but for some reason it moved me from page 2 of serverlist to last page |
| 20:20.01 | Will13 | now it shows on serverlist: Will’s Paradise - WillsParadise.ServeBeer.com:5154 :D |
| 20:20.41 | apeman | on the client the serverlist is sorted by current players and then domain name alphabetically |
| 20:21.02 | apeman | If you have no players and start with Z... |
| 20:21.05 | Will13 | domain name must of done it |
| 20:21.12 | Will13 | since it starts with w |
| 20:25.48 | Will13 | I see vars to set pyramid and wall height - but is there not one that limits the size of buildings? |
| 20:26.13 | Will13 | I found the one that lets you make them varying heights - but im looking more to set a max height of randomly drawn ones |
| 20:30.24 | *** join/#bzflag mahem1 (~argon@199.172.234.102) |
| 20:36.36 | JeffM | Will13, not really, the map randomizer is quite simple |
| 20:36.42 | Will13 | k |
| 20:37.49 | apeman | you could save the map and do a sed replacement though |
| 20:38.11 | JeffM | yeah there are seveal ways to do it |
| 20:41.30 | Will13 | no idea how to do that :P |
| 20:41.35 | Will13 | Ill keep it as is - the map is kinda fun |
| 20:41.49 | Will13 | willsparadise.servebeer.com if anyone wants to check it out :P |
| 20:46.06 | Will13 | man server is already hopping.. like 6 people :D |
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| 22:52.30 | Will13 | What’s the best way to edit/create maps on a Mac? |
| 22:52.51 | delusional | wing3D with a 3-button mouse |
| 22:53.02 | apeman | TextWrangler |
| 22:53.07 | apeman | TextEdit* |
| 22:53.13 | delusional | smultron |
| 22:53.38 | JeffM | a text editor |
| 22:53.47 | JeffM | using a modeler requires knowing a lot about the format |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM | wings is not a full map editor, it just happens to support exporting meshes to our format |
| 22:54.21 | Will13 | How do I save a randomly generated map so I can edit it? |
| 22:54.32 | Will13 | I’d like to see how the source looks |
| 22:54.33 | JeffM | login with a client and save the map from the command line |
| 22:54.55 | delusional | join the server and use /saveworld name.bzw |
| 22:55.10 | Will13 | Got it - just looked that command up thanks |
| 22:55.11 | JeffM | it will save it as a file to your client machine |
| 22:55.13 | Will13 | let me do now |
| 22:55.25 | JeffM | it's just a text file with the locations of the boxes and pyramids |
| 22:55.27 | delusional | if you want to edit in wings, use the -o switch /saveworld -o name.obj |
| 22:55.30 | Will13 | wow - my server is the busiest/ server right now :) |
| 22:55.36 | JeffM | don't listen to delusional |
| 22:55.37 | Will13 | been up just a couple hours and is staying full |
| 22:55.43 | JeffM | delusional, thats a Very advanced thing |
| 22:55.51 | JeffM | he's just starting |
| 22:56.36 | delusional | yeah, you gotta know how to edit in text, no matter what other modeling software you use. gotta learn text mapping too |
| 22:57.06 | Will13 | i made maps in counter-strike but that was a long time ago |
| 22:57.18 | delusional | what did you use there? |
| 22:57.24 | Will13 | i forget |
| 22:57.45 | Will13 | Hammer |
| 22:58.24 | JeffM | they store maps in a VERY differnet way then we do. |
| 22:59.12 | JeffM | they use a bsp system not an object system |
| 22:59.17 | Will13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.28 | Will13 | wow this is pretty simple |
| 23:01.47 | JeffM | bzflag is very old |
| 23:01.58 | JeffM | there are more advanced features that the random map does not use |
| 23:02.01 | JeffM | such as meshes |
| 23:02.05 | JeffM | and other shape types |
| 23:02.21 | JeffM | but the basics are boxes and pyramids |
| 23:04.09 | Will13 | yeah |
| 23:04.25 | Will13 | the only thing i’d like to do is change a couple of buildings height which will be easy once i figure out which box is which |
| 23:04.59 | JeffM | that can be the tricky part |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM | you could try to build BZWorkbench, but it is not super stable |
| 23:05.15 | Will13 | yeah theres |
| 23:05.23 | Will13 | a lot |
| 23:05.28 | Will13 | and none of them are labeled :P |
| 23:05.42 | JeffM | if you have a way to run windows apps then BZEditW32 does fine at editing basic maps. |
| 23:05.54 | Will13 | hmm i could run a virtual machine |
| 23:06.09 | Will13 | it gives you a GUI? |
| 23:06.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:06.19 | JeffM | bootcamp is your friend :) |
| 23:06.23 | delusional | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Category:Map_Making and you'll want the BZW manual page. this is one from 2007 and should be easier to understand. http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/manpages_old/bzw_manpage2007.txt |
| 23:06.26 | Will13 | yeah i have it on one mac |
| 23:06.52 | Will13 | theres like 100 buildings so it’ll take a while if i do it just by code |
| 23:07.11 | delusional | there is an easier way i think... first you find your config file and edit it for "showcoordinates 1" |
| 23:07.25 | JeffM | client config he's talking about |
| 23:07.28 | JeffM | not server config |
| 23:07.36 | JeffM | always with the shortcuts that one is :) |
| 23:07.57 | Will13 | too bad theres not a web thing where i could put in code and it’d give me a visual rep that’d be cool |
| 23:08.00 | delusional | then run the map and go to the box you want to change, and note the position. now you can find the box you need in the bzw file. |
| 23:08.13 | JeffM | Will13, that's what bzworkbench is for |
| 23:08.18 | JeffM | it's our graphical editor |
| 23:08.21 | JeffM | but it was never finsihed |
| 23:08.24 | Will13 | thats a good idea delusional |
| 23:08.26 | Will13 | aww |
| 23:09.23 | JeffM | there was not a lot of interest in developing it |
| 23:09.35 | Will13 | sad |
| 23:09.38 | blast007 | you could also program a map generator to you specifications |
| 23:09.49 | JeffM | it only got as far as it did by google paying a developer |
| 23:09.53 | Will13 | i can’t beleive my server is staying full since i started it :) |
| 23:10.16 | Will13 | 15/16 for last while |
| 23:10.17 | JeffM | as soon as it gets one or two real players it will show at the top of the list |
| 23:10.37 | Will13 | it probably doesn’t hurt the IP address is servebeer.com :P |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM | heh (this project intentionaly left blank) |
| 23:10.52 | JeffM | most people wont see that |
| 23:11.10 | Will13 | sure they will - it’s the first thing you see on the server list :P |
| 23:11.18 | Will13 | first thing I notice anyways |
| 23:11.21 | delusional | you got pretty low lag |
| 23:11.29 | JeffM | I don't think many people read the server hostname |
| 23:11.31 | Will13 | yeah i ping like 40-60 to it |
| 23:11.47 | Will13 | i guess my eyes are trained to pick out “beer" |
| 23:13.40 | delusional | I think theres some pent-up demand for a basic map with basic settings. That is what some people want. |
| 23:14.39 | Will13 | yup that’s not in Croatia (Easy Tank) |
| 23:16.23 | Will13 | wow 20/16 people in server |
