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03:44.06DelusionalIs this a good enough license for NZ?  Look at "Rights granted to other end users of the Services."  http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/preview_tos.html
03:44.39Delusionalnot new zealand...  BZFlag
03:50.33blast007what OSI approved license would it be? :)
03:54.52Delusionalthey even allow other businesses to use it.
03:55.10Delusionali dont know what it takes
03:57.07JeffMthat's not a license you would give to BZFlag
03:57.16JeffMthat's a licnese the author gave to that service
03:57.34JeffMthat's a terms of service, not a license
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03:58.10blast007well, it does mention "Rights granted to other end users of the Services."
03:58.50JeffMyeah
03:59.11JeffMif the model was submited after June 1 2012 it should be ok to use  in a map that is posted on the forums
03:59.38Delusionali dont want the model, only the image to be hosted
03:59.39JeffMas there is clause for derived works
03:59.57JeffMso it's an image you made using the model?
04:00.13Delusionaltexture procided with the model
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04:00.32JeffMit should be ok
04:00.40JeffMbut it's on the edge of "iffy"
04:00.46Delusionalgreat
04:00.48JeffMthere are no limits
04:00.55JeffMso I can't see it being an issue
04:01.00blast007but the rules for the image hosting is that it must be an OSI approved license
04:01.08JeffMyeah it doens't fall into that
04:01.11JeffMso that would be the rub
04:01.34JeffMthe rights work out to something similar to the BSD license but it's not exactly that
04:01.51blast007but does that license let you relicense it?  it means the ability to "sublicense"
04:02.08Delusionalwhen i submit, i'n gonna put BSD license
04:02.20JeffMDelusional, you will be lying and it will be denied
04:02.34JeffMblast007, no it does not, only the model service is allowed to sublicense
04:02.39JeffMthats why it's not quite BSD
04:02.56blast007well, it says it grants end users of the service that right
04:02.58JeffMit's like GPL but with most of the BSD rights
04:03.38JeffMyeah maybe
04:03.41JeffMit's iffy
04:04.01blast007Delusional: I'd just recommend you find something else
04:04.03JeffMI don't know if that means that an end user can distribute under the same license, or relicense
04:04.13JeffMyeah, it's close but not specific enough
04:04.26JeffMmost of that is just to protect Trimble's ass
04:05.43blast007sublicense noun. a license granted by a licensee to a third party, under the authority of the license originally granted by a licensor to the licensee
04:05.46blast007*head explodes*
04:06.23JeffMyeah that's the probelm with that term
04:06.31JeffMrelicense would be more clear
04:06.48JeffMDelusional, what is the texture of?
04:07.07blast007can you contact the original author and see if they can or did release it under an OSI approved license?
04:07.56Delusionalthe suntrust building in orlando florida, and a coule of surounding buildings
04:08.23JeffMoof yeah that's going to be a tough one, are there any logos on it
04:08.35Delusionalhttp://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/cldetails?mid=60cef90aad8a6e6a92f5635c7b367918&ct=mdcc
04:08.51Delusionalyeah, theres a logo but i wan't gonna use it.  
04:09.18JeffMyou can find properly licensed textures for those kinds of materials
04:09.37JeffMI know a guy who did a bunch of great CC0 ones
04:09.50DelusionalI did not use the model, I just set that one next to mine for inspiration
04:10.05JeffMok so you just need like concreete?
04:10.10JeffMand glass?
04:11.25JeffMhttp://nobiax.deviantart.com/gallery/24853853
04:11.29JeffMall CC0
04:11.43JeffMhigh res with diffuse, bump, and specular maps
04:16.26JeffMheh, only 15 people on now
04:17.09JeffMthat's 10 servers per player :)
04:17.30Delusionalhowabout this one? http://shocksolution.com/flight_simulation/OrlandoExecutive_scenery.html
04:17.43JeffMnope
04:17.49JeffMnon-comercial
04:19.33Delusionalyer killin me
04:19.45JeffMno, you are just making bad choices :)
04:20.41JeffMbassicly it has to be some real license, not just some vauge words
04:20.55JeffMpublic domain, bsd, CC0 are best
04:21.10JeffMCC BY, CC BY SA, GPL also work
04:21.19JeffMCC BY NC does not
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17:25.43BulletCatcherA BZBB calendar would help promote tournaments and other events.
17:25.48BulletCatcherAlas, all of the phpBB calendar plugins I found are unmaintained.
17:25.49BulletCatcherDo you know of any workable solutions, blast007?
17:27.19BulletCatcherIt ought to be enough to be able to display something that looks like a calendar, with a link to forum threads for each event.
17:27.43JeffMwhy would the GU site not do that?
17:28.12BulletCatcherMy interest is larger than just GU and leagues.
17:28.17JeffMahh
17:28.42JeffMso a service where people could request that events be put on the callender?
17:29.27BulletCatcherYes. I want regular players to be able to schedule something like "let's play Lasermania on Saturday".
17:29.41JeffMwith or with out an aproval process?
17:30.08BulletCatcherInitially, without.
17:30.14JeffMso no spam checks
17:30.22JeffMcan a google callendar do that?
17:30.26BulletCatcherJust the usual BZBB constraints.
17:30.31JeffMthen people could sync that to there own callendars
17:30.35JeffMand bzbb could link to it
17:30.44JeffMmobile notifications and the like
17:31.20BulletCatcherMy personal preference is not to rely upon Google, but that might be the easiest way to do it.
17:31.56JeffMthere may be other callendar systems out there, but I don't see anything in your requirements that makes it have to be integrated into the forums, it can simply be linked from the forums
17:32.30JeffMand given the mobile age we live in, linking to existing callender systems would be a good feature
17:33.08BulletCatcherForum integration would keep it "in the family", but isn't a strict requirement.
17:33.57JeffMthe only feature I see for forum integraton would be that removing a user from bzbb would remove any callendar postings they did too, so an easy way to get rid of abbusers
17:34.04JeffMbut it's more work to set up is my guess
17:37.23BulletCatcherA phpBB plugin that we are willing to use would almost certainly be the least complicated overall.
17:37.58JeffMI don't know about that statement, it means something else to keep up to date when phpbb is updated
17:38.13JeffMunless you mean for the end user
17:38.17JeffMthen yes I agree
17:38.35BulletCatcherI was taking the end user viewpoint into account.
17:38.51JeffMthen assuming it has an acceptable feature set yeah it should be simplest for them
17:45.43BulletCatcherWe already have the "Tournaments And Games" forum.
17:45.44BulletCatcherPosting there may be adequate even without any plugin.
17:49.37BulletCatcherIntegration with the BZFlag motd could be useful, too.
17:50.00JeffMthat would need some filtering :)
17:50.11BulletCatcheryes :-)
18:12.51blast007BulletCatcher: I'm not interested in adding additional mods to the forums
18:13.58blast007(both due to the additional work for upgrades, and because I intend to rid us of phpBB eventually)
18:14.27blast007and our MOTD system is pretty much completely worthless
18:18.04BulletCatcherThen consider this a request for a simple calendar function in the replacement system. :-)
18:20.44BulletCatcherThe existing motd is worthless because we don't use it for anything of value.
18:21.38BulletCatcherIf it contained daily messages of interest to the players, people would take the time to read it.
18:24.35blast007no, it's worthless because it is shoved behind the menu and then joining a server pushes it completely offscreen
18:24.56blast007it should be a popup dialog
18:25.29BulletCatcherIf only we had a plan to implement such a thing. ;-)
18:27.18BulletCatcherI think we could even do that in 2.4, but only the most recent clients would get an actual popup.
18:31.24blast007yeah, but I'd also like the underlying system to change a bit as well
18:31.49blast007well, I guess that could be doen as well ;)
18:32.34blast007working on getting a development environment set back up on my computer
18:33.17BulletCatcheryay
18:34.02BulletCatcherI'll try to get the SVN->Git conversion finished soon so we can focus on development of the game itself.
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20:35.32echelonwas everyone's player stats reset around 2012?
20:35.43JeffMwhat player stats?
20:35.51echelonhttp://stats.bzflag.org/bzstats/player/titmouse
20:36.08echelonFirst Ever Seen On: 2012-01-23
20:36.09JeffMoh no, it just stoped working and I never fixed it
20:36.43echeloni've been playing since '04
20:36.56JeffMok
20:37.03JeffMit hasn't been collecting data forever :)
20:37.26JeffMI started collecting data sometime in 2012
20:37.29echeloni'm pretty sure there was a stats back then
20:37.33echelon^_-
20:37.36JeffMnot using that system
20:37.43JeffMthere are several stats systems
20:37.45echelonk
20:37.49JeffMstrayer has his own
20:37.54echelonoh
20:37.55JeffMit's much more current
20:38.00JeffMbut doesn't show the same kind of data
20:38.28JeffMI mostly wanted to know about player counts, so that's why I wrote my own collector
20:38.41echelonoh
20:39.22JeffMnow the player counts are so low I can eyeball it from strayer's stats
20:39.57echelonheh
20:40.30JeffMthere we go, I shut down the vhost so people won't think it has stats
20:40.40echeloni first found out about the game since it was shipped with knoppix, no one uses knoppix anymore :/
20:41.10JeffMheh that's the distro that came with one of my school books
20:41.17echelon^_^
20:43.28echelonbtw, i eventually found out what was going on a year later.. http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=3715
20:44.13echelonthere was a worm on my windoze :/
20:44.22echelonwas infecting all the binaries
20:44.26JeffMfun
20:45.04JeffMwhat malware system do you use?
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20:45.47echeloni wasn't using anything back then, but i found out after i ran Stinger from mcafee
20:46.09JeffMeww
20:46.12JeffMon both counts
20:46.15echelonheh
20:46.27echeloni run slackware now :)
20:46.46JeffMat least you can install steam
20:46.51echelonheh
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20:52.58echeloni miss the zombie map and the compound
20:53.10irgendwer4711hi, I try to color one object, but server said: unknown object parameter "matref" - skipping. whats wrong?
20:54.00JeffMhow did you try to color it?
20:54.31irgendwer4711material / name red / diffuse 0.8 0.2 0.2 1 / end
20:54.55JeffMthen in your object you use a reference to the material?
20:55.06irgendwer4711pyramid / name Pyramid-red /  position -90 -90 0 / rotation 0 / size 10 10 10 /matref red  / end
20:55.36JeffMyou can't color a basic pyramid IIRC, it needs to be a meshpyr
20:55.46irgendwer4711oh, how
20:55.52JeffMchange the objet type
20:56.06irgendwer4711okay. nothing more?
20:56.07JeffMbox and pyramid are from before we had colors
20:56.14JeffMI think that should do it
20:58.45irgendwer4711ok
21:01.04irgendwer4711some error
21:02.12irgendwer4711I mean, same
21:02.21JeffMdo you have more then one object that uses that matref?
21:02.47irgendwer47114 obejcts and 4 errors
21:03.18JeffMand they are all now meshpyr?
21:03.42irgendwer4711yes, maybe I have to put material def to top
21:04.02JeffMyeah the material has to be defined before you reference it
21:04.38irgendwer4711working, thx
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