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| 16:35.02 | BulletCatcher | How inconvenient will it be for the repo migration if I add more commits at SourceForge? |
| 16:37.14 | JeffM | we are going to have to double stich things no mater what if we keep the git repo for the breaking release. I expect that small fixes will be still made in 2.4 maint |
| 16:37.54 | JeffM | thar ain't no code in the bzflag repo yet |
| 16:38.18 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 16:38.40 | JeffM | what would be handy would be to make a patch for the commit that we can apply to the new repo |
| 16:39.23 | BulletCatcher | That's easy enough to do after the fact with "svn diff -r". |
| 16:39.50 | JeffM | k |
| 16:41.25 | BulletCatcher | I don't have much pending at this point, but my next commit will fix a bug introduced in 2005. |
| 16:41.46 | mebigfatguy | probably mine :) |
| 16:41.58 | JeffM | ahh so something recent |
| 16:42.04 | BulletCatcher | Nope. tupone's. :-) |
| 16:47.10 | BulletCatcher | Apparently, the order in which function-local static variables and class objects are torn down at program exit time can vary by implementation. |
| 16:47.12 | BulletCatcher | bzfs assumes it works one way, but Solaris does it another resulting in a segfault at program exit. |
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| 17:03.42 | Notify | 03BZFlag:bullet_catcher * 22828 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ServerCommand.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ServerCommand.h trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx): Undo r11261 to prevent a segfault at exit on Solaris, which apparently destroys class objects and function-local static variables in a different order at program exit than Linux.Add checks to prevent dereferencing null pointer. |
| 17:05.13 | JeffM | what parts of C++11 does solaris not support? |
| 17:07.01 | BulletCatcher | Oracle's Studio compiler doesn't support it at all, but any given version of g++ works the same on Solaris as anywhere else. |
| 17:07.11 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:07.24 | JeffM | damn so I can't add code that desuports solaris :) |
| 17:07.45 | BulletCatcher | Not that way. :-) |
| 17:14.36 | BulletCatcher | One of my BZFlag pet peeves is that GAME OVER continues to flash for observers even after the next timed game has started, and I have a simple fix to not display GAME OVER at all for observers. |
| 17:14.39 | BulletCatcher | Another suggestion is to show it for limited time for everyone, and then allow players to respawn without rejoining. Thoughts about that? |
| 17:16.19 | blast007 | what is the point of doing game over at all? |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM | depends on what a "Game" is, is the time not in a timed game always NOT a game untill the next one, or do we say that we revert to free play when the time is up |
| 17:16.30 | JeffM | I think we revert |
| 17:16.46 | JeffM | so that would make the over event just be a notification for everyone that can go away |
| 17:16.58 | blast007 | I think our code has come to the point that we can do everything that "gameover" does without actually sending that message type to the clients |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM | it's not like other FPSs that will swap maps |
| 17:17.06 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:17.16 | JeffM | it's just a notifiaction that a timer has expired |
| 17:17.24 | JeffM | and that some rules may be run |
| 17:17.30 | JeffM | do we reset scores? |
| 17:17.33 | JeffM | or respawn anything? |
| 17:17.46 | blast007 | I think we might force a rejoin |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM | seriously? |
| 17:18.07 | blast007 | but I don't use that feature, and I don't play in leagues, so I'm not sure ;) |
| 17:18.17 | JeffM | cus that'd be SUPER lame |
| 17:18.19 | BulletCatcher | Currently, players must rejoin at the end of a timed game. |
| 17:18.30 | JeffM | yeah that needs to change |
| 17:18.37 | BulletCatcher | It is consistent with the arcade model. |
| 17:18.53 | JeffM | we don't take coins |
| 17:18.56 | blast007 | I say just stop sending MsgGameOver and emulate the behavior with our other messages |
| 17:19.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM | send a notification |
| 17:19.39 | JeffM | have a countdown start and kill everyone after like 30 seconds, clear scores, and let them respawn |
| 17:19.42 | blast007 | kill everyone, prevent them from spawning for X seconds after a match, reset scores upon reaching that cooldown counter |
| 17:19.48 | BulletCatcher | We only send MsgGameOver when someone does a /gameover command. |
| 17:20.00 | JeffM | what happens when a timed match ends? |
| 17:20.06 | blast007 | not when a timer runs out? not when the maximum team/player score is reached? |
| 17:20.25 | BulletCatcher | When the game timer expires, current clients go into GAME OVER mode from which the only escape is to rejoin. |
| 17:20.32 | JeffM | wow |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM | ok we need to fix that |
| 17:20.50 | blast007 | is that a client-side thing that looks at the timer itself? |
| 17:20.56 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 17:21.05 | JeffM | I don't mind letting them drive around for 20-30 seconds to see the scores before we reset them |
| 17:21.14 | khonkhortisan | that's not what we want to hear, that the client watches the timer |
| 17:21.19 | BulletCatcher | Search for "gameOver" in playing.cxx to see how it works. |
| 17:21.20 | blast007 | ew.. |
| 17:21.37 | JeffM | then we'll have to fix that in the breaking one |
| 17:22.20 | JeffM | for leagues we can save the last scoreboard and make a command to show it after the reset |
| 17:22.30 | JeffM | in case they don't have an auto reporter |
| 17:22.50 | JeffM | but forcing someone to rejoin is a punishment not a reward |
| 17:23.03 | blast007 | or just don't send a MsgTimeUpdate with a timeLeft of 0 ;) |
| 17:23.08 | BulletCatcher | It really isn't necessary to reset scores at the end of a timed game, only at the beginning (which we already do). |
| 17:23.21 | JeffM | nessisary no, but logical YES |
| 17:23.38 | JeffM | the timed match is over, the server has reverted to free play, so start everyone over |
| 17:23.45 | blast007 | MsgScoreOver also triggers the gameOver state in the client |
| 17:24.06 | JeffM | new players may join when it's over so it should be fair to them and not give the people that played the match a score advantage |
| 17:24.20 | BulletCatcher | There is no need to reset scores for free play. |
| 17:24.35 | JeffM | why not? because score dosn't matter? |
| 17:24.49 | JeffM | and the score gets reset on rejoin so that makes it work like it used to ;) |
| 17:24.49 | khonkhortisan | Rejoining already resets score |
| 17:25.01 | JeffM | yeah so that's the xpected social behavor, everyone gets reset |
| 17:25.29 | JeffM | I know people don't care about score but that dosn't mean we should not try to keep them evened out on actions like this |
| 17:25.46 | BulletCatcher | It's free play. Don't try to control it, JeffM. :-) |
| 17:25.58 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM | I see it as a mode change on the server, as if it was restarted |
| 17:26.30 | JeffM | if a server wanted to keep score they could transfer it with a plugin |
| 17:26.44 | BulletCatcher | Or they could just let it be. |
| 17:26.44 | JeffM | resetting removes the need to rejoin but keeps the current social behavor |
| 17:27.10 | blast007 | why would you want to keep the score after a 'game over'? |
| 17:27.19 | JeffM | I could be convinced to make the score reset an option (defaulted to reset) |
| 17:27.33 | JeffM | yeah I can't see any reason to keep that number other then to record it |
| 17:27.48 | JeffM | and for that we should save the sate at the end so ti can be recoreded even if people leave |
| 17:28.27 | BulletCatcher | There needs to be some way to see the final score for some period of time. |
| 17:28.41 | JeffM | yeah we shoudl save it, and add a command to show it to anyone who asks |
| 17:28.46 | khonkhortisan | SERVER-> Score is 6-5 red |
| 17:28.46 | BulletCatcher | Maybe we should display the final score (non-flashing) along with the GAME OVER message. |
| 17:28.54 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: popup dialog |
| 17:28.54 | JeffM | or save it and show it in a new GUI item untill the next game |
| 17:29.00 | JeffM | yeah we'll have new GUI items |
| 17:29.17 | JeffM | the current score is not the match score |
| 17:29.39 | JeffM | if you keep the score and someone gets a point, you can't record the scoare at the end of the match |
| 17:30.23 | JeffM | the server can keep the entire scoreboard for the last game end |
| 17:30.52 | BulletCatcher | The GU league autoreport plugin, which is in beta testing, records the score at the moment the game ends. |
| 17:30.59 | BulletCatcher | As it should. |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM | sure, I am saying we save it in case they don't have a system like that |
| 17:31.31 | JeffM | but still a player or observer may want to review it later in game, this would let them do it |
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| 17:32.40 | JeffM | heck we may not even need a new GUI item, just have the client be able to tab between the current scoreboard and the last saved one |
| 17:32.49 | JeffM | and the server just packs it up and sends it out |
| 17:33.02 | JeffM | having the ability to show an arbitrary scoreboard on the client isn't a bad idea |
| 17:33.11 | JeffM | then mofo could use it for all time leaderboards |
| 17:34.26 | BulletCatcher | That would be useful, and something to add in a breaking release. |
| 17:34.42 | JeffM | yeah I don't think we can fix this 'right' till breaking |
| 17:35.11 | BulletCatcher | In the meantime, simply not doing GAME OVER for observers is an easy fix for the most annoying part of it. |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM | reseting the score with out saving it now could be probematic for people that don' thave a record plugin |
| 17:35.19 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:35.46 | JeffM | I'd be fine with that, just send them a server text message so they know it's over |
| 17:35.56 | JeffM | maybe with the final team scores too |
| 17:36.33 | BulletCatcher | Everyone already gets a "Timer Expired" message in the chat window. |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM | does it say "game over" ? |
| 17:36.55 | JeffM | or just "timer expired"? |
| 17:36.58 | BulletCatcher | the latter |
| 17:37.11 | JeffM | send the text message with the words "Game over" |
| 17:37.21 | JeffM | I worry about non english speakers who know to look for that term |
| 17:37.57 | JeffM | right now they get both messages, this keeps it as similar to the old way as possible |
| 17:38.30 | BulletCatcher | "Time Expired" is a client side message, so it is easy to change it too. |
| 17:38.57 | JeffM | you mean hard to change in the existing version ;) |
| 17:40.01 | BulletCatcher | Stopping the flashing GAME OVER for observers is just a client change, and I can also modify the client to add "GAME OVER" to the chat window. |
| 17:40.48 | JeffM | why not have the server send it, it's an extra message for non changed clients, throw the final score in and we'll call it an enhcnacement :) |
| 17:41.36 | JeffM | no, I'm wrong you have to do it on the client |
| 17:41.43 | JeffM | as a new client may be used with old server |
| 17:41.56 | JeffM | ok, yeah just have the client add game over too |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM | I was just thinking it may be nice to have the final score in the chat log somewhere |
| 17:42.33 | JeffM | since it's reviewable |
| 17:42.47 | BulletCatcher | That would be an independent bzfs change. |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:43.02 | JeffM | just thinking about all the aspects of it |
| 17:43.07 | BulletCatcher | It should be doable without breaking protocol. |
| 17:44.12 | BulletCatcher | Do you want "Time Expired" and "GAME OVER" on one line in the chat window or two? |
| 17:44.18 | JeffM | 2 |
| 17:44.50 | BulletCatcher | Done. Just gotta test it to be sure. |
| 17:44.50 | JeffM | eventualy I could see timers and games to be seperated, not all games end with time, some end with score |
| 17:45.12 | JeffM | and there could be other reasons for timers, races, etc.. |
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| 19:21.50 | Guest305 | , |
| 19:22.49 | Guest305 | l |
| 19:23.35 | JeffM | p |
| 19:25.01 | Guest305 | jeft can you look for snake and tell him to go on irc |
| 19:25.17 | Guest305 | i am his brother |
| 19:25.21 | JeffM | no |
| 19:25.29 | JeffM | he is no longer allowed in this channel |
| 19:25.31 | Guest305 | why? |
| 19:25.44 | JeffM | many reasons |
| 19:25.56 | JeffM | he is not mature enough to hold a conversation here |
| 19:26.49 | Guest305 | then can you tell snake to go on guleague irc |
| 19:26.53 | JeffM | no |
| 19:27.01 | JeffM | I am not your personal messging service |
| 19:27.09 | JeffM | nor would I know where to find ihim |
| 19:28.19 | Guest305 | i cant go on i am talking to you with my phone |
| 19:29.05 | Guest305 | nvm i just tell khok |
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| 19:36.17 | kierra | oh my |
| 19:39.25 | JeffM | indeed |
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