IRC log for #bzflag on 20130422

00:00.44JeffMif I had the ability to set a milestone as being dependent on another one and could get a graph of the dependencies with the issues attached to each then it'd be nearly ideal
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02:31.49MC_spatulaJeffM: You wouldn't happen to still have this code, would you? ( http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/f138f78af )  -- the link is dead now
02:32.33JeffMI do not make a point of memorising pastebin URLs
02:32.36JeffMwhat was the code?
02:33.05MC_spatulaold forum post about variable speed keys
02:33.29MC_spatulagoogle the link and it should show up
02:33.53JeffMhow old?
02:34.00JeffM2007?
02:34.12MC_spatulaya
02:34.22JeffMI didn't even comment on that thread, why do you think I would have it?
02:34.31JeffMthis is the main reason we don't accept patches on the forums
02:34.35JeffMdid you send it to SF?
02:34.52MC_spatulaYou wrote the patch
02:35.08JeffMthen why would I not have commited it?
02:35.47JeffMseriouysly, I have no memory of that level of detail from 6 years ago ;)
02:35.48MC_spatulaYou don't have it, that's fine, I was just curious -- some people hoard things, you never know.
02:35.58Delusionalhttp://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=11597
02:36.06JeffMoh I hoard all kinds of stuff, I just don't file those things where they can be found again
02:36.11JeffMI would have commited it or thrown it away
02:40.58blast007checking here, but I don't think I ever migrated the pastebin data to another host, so I likely don't have it
02:42.19MC_spatulaIt was a long time ago, asking on here was a last resort. Thanks though
02:43.54JeffMdid you check to source to see if it was ever implemented?
02:44.00JeffMit may just be in the 2.99 line
02:53.20a_meteoriteso I heard that there is a move to git/github going on
02:54.41blast007a_meteorite: then you heard wrong
02:55.08a_meteoriteI guess I read too much into a pasted line of chat in another channel then
02:55.12a_meteoritethat's a shame
03:03.15JeffMthe last idea was bitbucket but that was if SF didn't upgrade well
03:03.27JeffMthe only thing that has changed is that we arn't against another service
03:03.33JeffMthat's far from "in the the process of"
03:05.09a_meteoriteI don't have much experience with bitbucket, I think they're a bit more rough around the edges, but are a bit more flexible with groups/private repos, iirc
03:05.42JeffMand support more then just git
03:05.46blast007the advantage is that they offer mercurial
03:05.54JeffMyeah
03:06.05a_meteoriteah right
03:06.12JeffMtool support for hg seems generaly better on the not linux side
03:06.30JeffMboth hg and git were made to replace bitkeeper
03:06.51a_meteoritegit on windows isn't awesome, but it's not as terrible as it used to be
03:07.00a_meteoriteI really like git extensions
03:07.03JeffMit is getting better
03:07.16JeffMwhen it doesn't eat itself
03:07.29blast007Mercurial support on Windows is much better than Git.  It's on par with Subversion.
03:07.34a_meteoritemigrating away from svn to hg or git will both be difficult
03:07.41a_meteoriteit's doable, but that's gonna be hard
03:07.50JeffMall reasons we haven't done it
03:07.57JeffMlike I said, we are open to the idea if we need to
03:07.58blast007a_meteorite: depends if the goal is to maintain history or not
03:08.02JeffMbut are not activly doing it
03:08.03a_meteoriteAAA_awright used to maintain a git mirror and if I remember right the way tagging was done was a pain
03:08.16blast007I'd *prefer* to maintain history, but I think that would require a lot of manual work
03:08.19a_meteoritewe had a full mirror in git-glory, but it was hard to maintain
03:08.33AAA_awrightSVN doesn't have tags so...
03:08.34blast007(because I would want to split the individual projects into their own repos)
03:08.44JeffMit would be better to split svn stuff first
03:08.49AAA_awright(It doesn't really even have branches)
03:08.50JeffMsee I would
03:08.51a_meteoriteAAA_awright: did it maintain all of the history right?
03:08.55AAA_awrightYeah
03:09.01JeffMAAA_awright, we know you love git so much you want to mary it ;)
03:09.13JeffMit has branches they are just different
03:09.18AAA_awrightblast007: I've been using Git on windows since, what, 2008? It has full support for everything
03:09.25blast007people like AAA_awright are the reason I refuse to use Git ;)
03:09.28JeffMAAA_awright, command line?
03:09.29a_meteoritehaha
03:09.35AAA_awrightJeffM: It has that too
03:09.42JeffMI know, that's ALL it had for a long time
03:09.45AAA_awrightThe last issue I had was that it didn't support files >4GB and that was gone by 2009
03:09.54JeffMand yes tort git now supports all of git features
03:10.08AAA_awrightJeffM: It's had git-gui, gitk, TortoiseGit, since the beginning...
03:10.10JeffMwhen it dosn't eat a repository
03:10.25a_meteoriteI've never had git extensions eat my repositories
03:10.30JeffMgood for you
03:10.31JeffMI have
03:10.34a_meteoriteand I've probably done 3 or so large git repos
03:10.40a_meteoriteactively developed on them
03:10.51JeffMI'm using git for a project now and it's acceptable
03:10.53a_meteoriteeither I'm lucky or you're very unlucky :)
03:11.24AAA_awrightJeffM: I seriously doubt you lost data, it's probably orphaned in the object database somewhere
03:11.35JeffMAAA_awright, oh we fixed it each time
03:11.40JeffMso no, data wasn't lost
03:11.53JeffMit was just mangled up and had to be fixed, revert this, don't revert that, etc..
03:12.11JeffMthe merge just horked
03:12.30JeffMit was just a pain
03:12.43JeffMit ususaly happens when it has to do a history merge
03:13.17JeffMbut really any of the VCS systems will work for us
03:13.24JeffMdistributed or traditional
03:13.33JeffMit all depend on how we want to run the proejct
03:13.41blast007CVS!
03:13.44a_meteoriteoh god
03:13.50AAA_awrightBetter than SVN
03:13.53mebigfatguygetting of SF is a plus
03:13.54JeffMnot really
03:13.58mebigfatguyoff
03:14.00AAA_awrightCVS has real branches and tags
03:14.17JeffMthe upgrade went decently, and I don't think we have any problems since then
03:14.43JeffMthe trackers still suck, but we barely use them anyway
03:15.10blast007we could always host our own copy of trac or similar if that was too much of an issue
03:15.55JeffMsure
03:16.13JeffMalso likes that hg is done with python instead of perl
03:16.40AAA_awrightWhy single out perl?
03:16.47JeffMit's old ;)
03:16.59JeffMpython is easier to port
03:17.14mebigfatguyhg is probably better for new folks, but at the end i think git's branching model is better
03:17.20AAA_awrightAs opposed to ECMAScript or plain old C
03:17.25mebigfatguyaltho there both way better than svn
03:18.01JeffMit's all moot anyway, we don't actualy develop anything
03:18.15AAA_awrightMercurial lacks a coherent branching/tagging model, it's not much better than SVN
03:19.11JeffMdo you have git on highlight?
03:19.18JeffMI mean seriously?
03:19.45a_meteoriteI pinged him
03:19.58a_meteoritesorry about that :P
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03:21.04AAA_awright>_>
03:24.23JeffMyay, server code ported, now to make a client
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21:15.43JeffMwtf dude?
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22:55.07allejowhy snake still allowed here?
22:55.34allejorelated: http://www.bash.org/?52
22:57.48blast007it's sad when I already know what the bash quote is going to be before I go to the link
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