| 00:00.54 | Guest80113 | its 8. I will start one in about 15 minutes and update here with deets |
| 00:02.00 | brad | is Guest80113 your bz name? ;) |
| 00:02.08 | Guest80113 | no haha "Trogdor BurNinat0R" |
| 00:02.15 | brad | ahh |
| 00:02.28 | Guest80113 | I didn't have much luck with /nick yet |
| 00:03.52 | Guest80113 | any potential testers: I am specifically looking for a bug where you kill someone, and it tells you you're getting a new flag.. but you don't. |
| 00:04.17 | Guest80113 | I think a commit JeffM made yesterday might have possibly fixed the issue, but I don't fully understand what was happening |
| 00:05.04 | Guest80113 | (if the bug occurs... when you then eventually die, you finally then get a different flag) |
| 00:05.53 | khonkhortisan | just don't give someone SH everytime they drop their flag :) |
| 00:08.13 | Guest80113 | whats SH |
| 00:08.16 | Guest80113 | I do catch the drop and re-give :) |
| 00:09.47 | Guest80113 | I feel kinda weird posting my IP address on IRC |
| 00:09.59 | Guest80113 | how many ppl do I have |
| 00:10.10 | brad | we do kinda see your IP anyway :p |
| 00:10.12 | Guest80113 | can everyone see it haha |
| 00:10.20 | khonkhortisan | SH is shield, if you give it to someone that just dropped it, they can't be killed |
| 00:10.22 | Guest80113 | alrighty then the damage is done |
| 00:10.25 | brad | yep...that's the beauty of IRC! |
| 00:10.29 | khonkhortisan | I also see the username you log in your computer with |
| 00:10.33 | brad | heh |
| 00:10.41 | khonkhortisan | You can see mine too |
| 00:10.58 | Guest80113 | so... that IP regular port 5154 |
| 00:11.50 | khonkhortisan | What I can't do is copy your ip easily |
| 00:12.02 | khonkhortisan | and this tab just jumped into a new window through keyboard shortcut |
| 00:42.28 | khonkhortisan | Guest80113, audio crash |
| 00:57.46 | Guest80113 | alright Blast there you go. that was a linux client playing a custom sound that wasn't even there |
| 00:58.01 | Guest80113 | with a super recent SVN build on the client - so.. the audio problem *does* still exist |
| 00:58.15 | Guest80113 | but its not even in the part where it actually plays sound since he didn't have my .wav |
| 00:58.34 | Guest80113 | no idea if it woulda happened if he *did* have the sound either |
| 00:58.58 | khonkhortisan | Unable to locate [gungame/gungame_boost] audio file (media dir is set to data) |
| 00:59.14 | Guest80113 | yeah that message doesn't always result in a crash tho :) |
| 00:59.26 | khonkhortisan | so I can't prove it was the sound that caused the segfault |
| 00:59.30 | Guest80113 | right I know :-| |
| 00:59.38 | blast007 | I think even sounds that *do* exist sometimes caused crashes |
| 01:00.17 | Guest80113 | nobody wants to hear my "GunGame Style" sounds anyway XD |
| 01:00.34 | Guest80113 | yeah, you can figure it out |
| 01:01.13 | Guest80113 | you think this is bad audacity (used to produce said sounds) crashes a lot. And kdenlive OMG unusuable |
| 01:01.23 | blast007 | the idea with custom sounds was to be able to link to URLs as well |
| 01:01.31 | Guest80113 | that woudl be sweet |
| 01:01.36 | Guest80113 | I would like that with textures too pls |
| 01:01.44 | Guest80113 | oh wait, they are |
| 01:01.48 | blast007 | that kinda works, but again.. the crashes prevent it from working |
| 01:02.12 | blast007 | prevent it from being used anywhere, I mean |
| 01:02.33 | Guest80113 | I guess I'd like to update textures mid game is that ever possible? |
| 01:02.35 | blast007 | so I'd recommend just removing the calls to the custom sounds |
| 01:02.42 | blast007 | nope |
| 01:02.43 | Guest80113 | i will do so |
| 01:02.46 | Guest80113 | but also any sounds from plugins? |
| 01:02.56 | Guest80113 | or just "my" sounds |
| 01:03.05 | blast007 | don't try to play *any* sounds from the plugin |
| 01:03.14 | Guest80113 | I use flag alert, and gm lock and team win and loss for stuff. oh well :-( |
| 01:03.32 | blast007 | maybe then work, but I don't trust it |
| 01:03.51 | blast007 | no current plugins use it, so it's not a very well tested feature |
| 01:03.59 | Guest80113 | It seems I have found a the place for willing test subjects. Aperture labs up in here |
| 01:04.05 | blast007 | that's something we should probably try fixing for 2.6 |
| 01:04.18 | Guest80113 | that would be nice - sound packs would be fun |
| 01:04.32 | Guest80113 | ideally it would be "server hosted sounds" |
| 01:04.43 | Guest80113 | but failing that, I'm ok with "hey unzip this in your data dir" |
| 01:04.45 | blast007 | it would be handled like textures |
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| 01:04.57 | Guest80113 | yes yes *cackles* |
| 01:05.06 | blast007 | there should probably be a revamped resource fetching system |
| 01:05.25 | Guest80113 | Khonk are u still here |
| 01:05.31 | Guest80113 | I know brad had to go |
| 01:05.43 | Guest80113 | I thought I was logging that entire session... but... I may not have been |
| 01:21.32 | Guest80113 | ? for you blast - I catch shot events and check the flag type. if no flag, I turn the bullet to PZ. I think this was your idea |
| 01:22.43 | Guest80113 | it mostly works but I had a report of someone killing someone ewith a normal bullet by spamming the drop key... |
| 01:23.08 | Guest80113 | my ? is - is there an easy way to just disable dropping flags (like how bad flags work?) |
| 01:28.33 | khonkhortisan | here |
| 01:29.02 | Guest80113 | awesome - thanks for testing |
| 01:29.07 | Guest80113 | I was tyring to recreate the list of issues |
| 01:29.54 | Guest80113 | maybe we should not spam the channel here |
| 01:30.07 | Guest80113 | I tried to open a conversation with you |
| 01:30.09 | khonkhortisan | it's quiet enough to spam |
| 01:30.16 | Guest80113 | ha ok |
| 01:30.19 | khonkhortisan | oh I see it |
| 01:30.23 | Guest80113 | here is what I came up with (stdout was not being captured) |
| 01:30.27 | Guest80113 | oh? |
| 01:30.29 | Guest80113 | nice |
| 01:30.37 | Guest80113 | can you paste it |
| 01:30.51 | Guest80113 | or u can just email me a whole big file if u like |
| 01:30.52 | khonkhortisan | ? |
| 01:30.55 | khonkhortisan | what? |
| 01:30.57 | Guest80113 | oh |
| 01:31.02 | Guest80113 | I thought you had logged the session :-( |
| 01:31.07 | Guest80113 | and you "saw that" |
| 01:31.13 | Guest80113 | here is my lsit |
| 01:31.23 | khonkhortisan | I don't know how to log bzflag from client-side |
| 01:31.30 | Guest80113 | SR tie - there were a few issues here IIRC -- winner starts with 2nd flag? |
| 01:31.33 | Guest80113 | alert message is has < 3 remaining |
| 01:31.35 | Guest80113 | #ifdef sound calls |
| 01:31.37 | Guest80113 | fix killed by NULL (if you die and plugin kills you) |
| 01:31.39 | Guest80113 | fix pz bullet - check bullet type not flag type. |
| 01:31.46 | Guest80113 | I don't either but... I'm guessing ppl have done it |
| 01:32.19 | Guest80113 | I don't think we can change the PZ bullet logic |
| 01:32.31 | Guest80113 | I need to check the flag b/c some flags don't change the shot type like WA |
| 01:32.48 | Guest80113 | but... I could count occurrances and kick someone after a few |
| 01:33.43 | khonkhortisan | reminds me of the wrong end shot random kick |
| 01:34.39 | Guest80113 | wat |
| 01:35.04 | Guest80113 | the shot type not matching expected I'm inclined to blame brads um, downloads |
| 01:35.32 | Guest80113 | I think we decided that the "disabling your shots until u get a flag" message was largely benign |
| 01:36.43 | Guest80113 | what were the other SR tie issues |
| 01:37.15 | khonkhortisan | starting with the second flag and the regular both people die even with different heights |
| 01:37.30 | Guest80113 | oh I dunno if I can actually fix that |
| 01:37.48 | Guest80113 | the 2nd flag I can fix I'm sure |
| 01:38.05 | Guest80113 | let me see about this die event |
| 01:40.44 | Guest80113 | I don't think I can stop the winner from dying |
| 01:42.03 | khonkhortisan | but you can have the winner respawn still with SR? |
| 01:42.36 | blast007 | Guest80113: here's not a prefect way to prevent normal shots from being fired when a flag is dropped quickly |
| 01:42.53 | khonkhortisan | nevermind |
| 01:43.14 | Guest80113 | khonk: ok :) |
| 01:44.59 | Guest80113 | blast: ok - I can see if flagKilledWith is blank on the die event and kick the player |
| 01:45.23 | Guest80113 | AND turn shots to PZ where possible if player had no flag |
| 01:46.12 | khonkhortisan | you should also turn the shot to PZ if the shot type doesn't match the new flag shot type |
| 01:48.43 | Guest80113 | how would that happen? |
| 01:49.32 | khonkhortisan | checking if the player doesn't a flag isn't enough to stop an unflagged shot |
| 01:49.42 | khonkhortisan | what if you get the drop flag message after the shot message? |
| 01:50.41 | Guest80113 | when I handle the shot message, I look at the player record of the shooter and see what the currentFlag is |
| 01:50.49 | Guest80113 | so, it doesnt matter when the drop message comes |
| 01:51.50 | Guest80113 | it is also likely that I am misunderstanding how events happen. again :-D |
| 01:52.12 | mebigfatguy | Guest80113: thats not really going to work |
| 01:52.33 | khonkhortisan | If messages are out-of-order: player drops gm -> player shoots regular shot -> player drops flag -> server gets flag drop, sends flag pickup -> player gets gm -> server gets shot, sees the player has gm, and doesn't change the shot type |
| 01:52.46 | khonkhortisan | whoops I have a duplicate in there |
| 01:53.32 | khonkhortisan | that would be a case where checking the shot type would be important |
| 01:53.34 | blast007 | Guest80113: latency comes into play with flag grabs |
| 01:53.56 | blast007 | when the server gives the player a flag, it takes at least that player's lag time for their client to know they have that flag |
| 01:54.15 | Guest80113 | makes sense blast |
| 01:54.29 | blast007 | or half their lag time.. I forget if the lagstats shows one way or round trip latency |
| 01:54.46 | Guest80113 | its all relative anyway |
| 01:55.07 | Guest80113 | as in, i'm just looking for the outlier :) |
| 01:55.41 | Guest80113 | ok khonk I read you |
| 01:56.42 | Guest80113 | I guess I have to look at the shot type and compare it to what flag the player should have is what you're saying |
| 01:56.46 | Guest80113 | let it pass if its' WA or RC or something |
| 01:58.00 | Guest80113 | its probably still ok to kick any player who killed someone without holding a flag |
| 01:58.30 | mebigfatguy | the answer is to have all shottypes, and just handle most of them like normal |
| 01:58.32 | khonkhortisan | if you can give them that as a reason, so they're not clueless |
| 01:58.47 | Guest80113 | haha they know what they did |
| 01:59.01 | Guest80113 | :) |
| 01:59.36 | khonkhortisan | can't be too sure, they may try to play like normal, dropping gm when they see an st in front of them |
| 01:59.43 | Guest80113 | mebigfatguy I'm not sure I follow what you're suggesting :-/ |
| 01:59.59 | Guest80113 | oh ok |
| 02:00.12 | Guest80113 | khonk: good point -- I should warn them and give them some chances to not do that |
| 02:00.54 | Guest80113 | well, if I check shot type too (versus expected flag) is the problem solved (and then I can remove the kicking code) |
| 02:01.06 | khonkhortisan | you'd have to test that |
| 02:01.12 | Guest80113 | i would need testers |
| 02:01.46 | Guest80113 | I'll have something ready in 15 minutes if anyon here likes counterstrike "gun game" mode |
| 02:10.55 | Guest80113 | hmm looks like shot type is a string, not an enum. |
| 02:12.13 | Guest80113 | anyone know where the possible values are listed |
| 02:14.26 | blast007 | Guest80113: the 'type' value of bz_ShotFiredEventData_V1? it's just the flag abbreviation |
| 02:14.29 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Bz_eShotFiredEvent |
| 02:15.19 | Guest80113 | hah thanks blast |
| 02:15.29 | Guest80113 | shotEvent.type = firingInfo.flagType->flagAbbv; |
| 02:15.33 | Guest80113 | :-D |
| 02:23.18 | Guest80113 | alright any volunteers? |
| 02:23.38 | Guest80113 | its my IP at 5154 and will be up in about 2 minutes |
| 02:33.38 | khonkhortisan | note there's no velocity, angle, or shot path |
| 02:34.50 | khonkhortisan | I don't know what a GLXBadDrawable is, but it's caused by another game and it only affects starting bzflag, not a running one |
| 02:35.06 | Guest80113 | wat? |
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| 02:45.29 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: do you have more info about the GLXBadDrawable? |
| 02:46.16 | Guest80113 | is this something that happened in your client during gun game? |
| 02:47.15 | khonkhortisan | It's caused by my compile of minetest and affects every opengl program that tries to start while it's running |
| 02:47.23 | khonkhortisan | I should probably talk to them about it |
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| 03:29.29 | khonkhortisan | server went down, client went down with it |
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| 04:28.15 | Guest80113 | I did kill the server as I said, but yeah ur client should not have died... |
| 04:29.08 | Guest80113 | rather than kick ppl who actually kill someone without a flag, (as you pointed out it is possible this was an accident) I am demoting them like a suicide |
| 04:40.02 | khonkhortisan | That sounds like a good (temporary) solution |
| 04:40.46 | khonkhortisan | So I suddenly see an ST in front of me, drop my GM to shoot it, then Laser the tank in the distance :) |
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| 18:01.29 | spldart | ArghBlech! PffFt. Debian Wheezy looks alot like Windows 8 :~( |
| 18:03.36 | spldart | ~svn |
| 18:03.36 | ibot | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 18:03.41 | spldart | ~bzflag |
| 18:03.41 | ibot | methinks bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 18:03.59 | spldart | ugh... how do I get it to tell me the current place to do a checkout again? |
| 18:04.07 | spldart | s/place/url |
| 18:04.47 | mebigfatguy | svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/bzflag/code/trunk/bzflag bzflag-code |
| 18:04.55 | spldart | thankies |
| 18:05.14 | alezakos | ~bzsvn |
| 18:05.14 | ibot | bzsvn is, like, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/bzflag/code/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 18:06.21 | spldart | double thanks |
| 19:17.41 | spldart | Well goody goody. Wheezy installed and bzflag source built and plays. Now if I could just get java to work right :~/ |
| 19:26.27 | jeffm | why? |
| 19:28.53 | spldart | Reasons I imagine noone in here would give two cares about ;) I had some issues with some of my personal thingies like java and skype. No biggie. |
| 19:37.13 | jeffm | java is ebil |
| 19:38.27 | jeffm | wtf? |
| 19:38.35 | spldart | Dude! |
| 19:38.51 | swigg_ | I was going to say that. But since you are smarter then me it looks better that you did |
| 19:40.49 | swigg_ | Looks like we fot april fooled'd |
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| 19:43.10 | jeffm | not really clever when you have a captive audience |
| 19:44.09 | spldart | Clever is so hard to come by nowadays. |
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| 22:39.16 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22719 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.h): replace commented out parameters that aren't used with the UNUSED macro. |
| 22:39.23 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22720 trunk/bzflag/include/vectors.h: add util to convert deg to radians |
| 22:39.25 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22721 trunk/bzflag/include/vectors.h: Stupid lying compiler getting confused with templates. |
| 22:39.27 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22722 (trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.cxx trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ShotManager.h): make more of the shot data public so the logic class can access itadd utility methods to shot to compute commonly needed values (life param, etc..)add a void* pimple that logics can use to store additional shot data.make the shot logic be able to do the lifetime check.add default logic to the shot logic update |
| 22:39.29 | Notify | method to do lifetime checks and simple projections.add Setup method so logic can initialize any state data.call update on each shot with a time of 0 to get an initial position.add collision methods for shot that are serviced by the logic classadd ShockwaveLogic that does correct collision and radius tracking. |
| 22:39.51 | joevano | Notify is back :-) |
| 22:40.03 | Notify | 03BZFlag:kongr45gpen * 22723 trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Add a parameter to the /groupperms command to specify which group's perms should be shown |
| 22:40.49 | JeffM | with a vengance |
| 22:42.14 | khonkhortisan | so it _did_ say the whole commit message |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM | ye |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM | p |
| 22:43.35 | JeffM | Notify don't cut any corners |
| 22:46.47 | blast007 | short_circuit: no, Gnome 3 looks a lot like Windows 8 ;) You could use a different desktop environment with Debian Wheezy |
| 23:45.39 | short_circuit | Ok.. default environment for release candidate I downloaded is gnome 3 |
| 23:45.52 | short_circuit | technicalities. |
| 23:46.33 | short_circuit | I'm gonna run with gnome 3 for a while and see if I can get used to it. if so then maybe I can also bring myself to use win 8 |
| 23:46.50 | mebigfatguy | good luck |
| 23:47.00 | short_circuit | hehe |
| 23:47.02 | mebigfatguy | only thing worse unity |
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| 23:53.54 | spldart | I'm thinking wheezy fluxbox for my netbook. |