| 00:54.32 | Delusional | Can default-settings clients can download world cache files from non- bzflag.org sites? |
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| 00:55.10 | JeffM | probably, since we let them download the non-cached version from the game server |
| 00:56.00 | JeffM | let me look for you |
| 00:58.33 | JeffM | I don't see any filtering on the world url |
| 00:58.39 | JeffM | so it looks like it does not filter |
| 01:02.13 | Delusional | cool |
| 01:02.36 | JeffM | yeah I see where the CachedImages use the DownloadAccessList, and the world downloader does not use that |
| 01:02.48 | Delusional | thats what i thought, but i've worked with a modified downloadaccess for so long... |
| 01:03.19 | JeffM | yeah it'd be silly for us to limit world downloads since by default we don't use HTTP for worlds, we get them from the game server |
| 01:03.36 | JeffM | also if it filtered by that then fastmap would not work |
| 01:05.13 | blast007 | if the world cache files could only be downloaded from bzflag.org sites, then none of them would ever work.. there's no way to put cache files on any *.bzflag.org host. |
| 01:05.25 | blast007 | none of them would have ever worked* |
| 01:05.43 | blast007 | and fastmap would be useless ;) |
| 01:32.23 | spldart | Good god I need to play A LOT more! |
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| 02:15.49 | Delusional | In keeping with my one-man tradition of travesty maps... Now playing at apocalypse.... tHE END OF THE WORLD. |
| 02:15.56 | Delusional | check it out |
| 02:16.55 | Delusional | There is no tomorrow, so WTH |
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| 17:19.32 | JeffM | did the world end? |
| 17:21.50 | blast007 | sorta |
| 17:21.52 | blast007 | Error: No more space left on /dev/earth |
| 17:23.01 | JeffM | we can reformat antarticia right? |
| 17:23.10 | JeffM | it's ether that or delete some pr0n |
| 17:26.16 | blast007 | SMART is reporting the ice caps are below threshold, so it might be a good idea to replace them. |
| 17:35.56 | JeffM | just replace the entire thing with a raptor |
| 17:35.59 | JeffM | or the cloud |
| 17:39.53 | DTRemenak | well that's different. My VPS went down Wednesday...looked like a hardware failure on the nodeserver. Sent in a ticket last night when it hadn't been taken care of yet. Apparently the nodeserver is physically missing...seized by the FBI. My provider is, understandably, unhappy. |
| 17:40.59 | DTRemenak | Gave me a new VPS on a different node, and a couple months of free service, so that's fine. Yay for offsite backups. |
| 17:43.26 | JeffM | wow |
| 17:43.43 | JeffM | yeah that is a scarry thing that can happen with sared hosting even with a VPS |
| 17:44.05 | JeffM | you didn't use it to torrent 'linux distrobutions' did you? |
| 17:44.18 | DTRemenak | nope. I'm guessing it was one of the other VPSes on that node. |
| 17:45.04 | DTRemenak | "server seized by the FBI" was previously not on my list of disasters to prepare for. fortunately, the same precautions used for "the building burned down" work... |
| 17:45.09 | JeffM | wonder if that's one of the advantages of the "cloud" ones, if they host the vps off different nodes does that make them not able to take the node, or just the VPS image |
| 17:46.00 | DTRemenak | I wonder if the whole network would be seized in that case... |
| 17:46.25 | JeffM | the provider could probalby make a case that it would be detremental to them running |
| 17:46.32 | DTRemenak | "we'll just take those eight racks over there...and those eight over there..." |
| 17:46.45 | DTRemenak | my provider was not notified until after the fact. |
| 17:46.45 | JeffM | and hopefuly offer just the data for that one VM |
| 17:47.00 | JeffM | so they are a reseller then |
| 17:47.10 | DTRemenak | they don't own the datacenter |
| 17:47.14 | DTRemenak | they own the servers |
| 17:47.34 | JeffM | odd that the FBI can seise a server with out notifying the owners |
| 17:47.44 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM | yay patriot act! |
| 17:48.20 | DTRemenak | apparently the datacenter folks were gagged, too. all they can say is "the FBI has it." |
| 17:48.33 | JeffM | musta been some shady stuff |
| 17:49.24 | DTRemenak | my provider is based in Europe, which might have contributed to them not being notified. |
| 17:49.29 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:49.38 | DTRemenak | primary DC is in Germany |
| 17:50.23 | DTRemenak | so they're kind of "WTF?" right now. |
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| 20:29.15 | capitaninsaneoh | yo yo YO |
| 20:30.11 | capitaninsaneoh | Is map editing prefered method still BZWTools and Blender? |
| 20:31.02 | JeffM | not really |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM | the blender tools have not been updated in AGES |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM | many people just edit by hand |
| 20:31.27 | JeffM | some use BZWorkbench |
| 20:31.36 | JeffM | a few others still use the old windows tools |
| 20:33.52 | capitaninsaneoh | Oh |
| 20:33.54 | capitaninsaneoh | http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZWTools |
| 20:33.59 | capitaninsaneoh | must be out of date |
| 20:34.06 | JeffM | much of the wiki is |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM | it's last edit was in 2010 |
| 20:35.14 | capitaninsaneoh | Yeah |
| 20:35.21 | capitaninsaneoh | Is BZWorkbench up to date? |
| 20:35.26 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:35.29 | JeffM | it was never finished |
| 20:35.33 | JeffM | but it has some functionality |
| 20:36.30 | capitaninsaneoh | and it is the "official" editor? |
| 20:36.42 | JeffM | there isn't really one |
| 20:36.57 | blast007 | official editor is Microsoft Notepad |
| 20:36.57 | JeffM | bzworkbench was suposed to be it if it ever got finished |
| 20:37.12 | capitaninsaneoh | Gotcha |
| 20:38.02 | blast007 | there's a variety of map editors out there, but none that support all the features |
| 20:38.14 | capitaninsaneoh | Umm OK |
| 20:38.18 | JeffM | some people use model tool or wings export for meshes |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM | but maping is a multi-tool endevor |
| 20:38.41 | capitaninsaneoh | Yes, I hear ya |
| 20:39.01 | blast007 | the map format is just text, though, so it is possible to hand edit |
| 20:39.23 | capitaninsaneoh | Is this the official download location for Bzworkbench? |
| 20:39.24 | capitaninsaneoh | http://bzexcess.com/2010/03/bzworkbench-r20937-win32-build/ |
| 20:39.41 | blast007 | that's probably a slightly outdated version of it |
| 20:39.44 | JeffM | we don't have an official build, since it was never completed |
| 20:39.50 | blast007 | I don't think I've built from the latest SVN |
| 20:40.05 | JeffM | if we did it would be on sourceforge with the other official builds we make |
| 20:40.21 | JeffM | there is nothing in the "official" category for mapping |
| 20:40.34 | blast007 | that's just a development build I posted |
| 20:40.43 | JeffM | yeah some devs have posted some builds |
| 20:40.45 | JeffM | that's about it |
| 20:40.59 | capitaninsaneoh | cool thanks |
| 20:41.23 | blast007 | there was also a world generator made during one of the Google Summer of Codes |
| 20:41.26 | JeffM | the project itself does very little in any "official" capacity these days |
| 20:41.30 | JeffM | yeah the city maker |
| 20:41.40 | JeffM | and that took 2 SOCs not just one ;) |
| 20:41.44 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:41.47 | JeffM | we fired him on the second one IIRC |
| 20:49.31 | capitaninsaneoh | Plugins for the server are like mods right? Is there an official list on wiki? |
| 20:49.45 | JeffM | they extend the server, so sure |
| 20:50.04 | JeffM | the wiki has documentiation on some of the plugins we ship with |
| 20:50.12 | JeffM | but there are many third party ones that exist |
| 20:51.20 | blast007 | plugins can also only affect clients in very minimal ways, since the client still handles most of the logic |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM | yeah the client mods required scripting and that got pretty much scrapped |
| 20:51.59 | blast007 | so plugins generally just change the behavior of the server itself |
| 20:52.35 | blast007 | controlling spawning, team selection, setting game variables, etc |
| 20:52.53 | JeffM | changinc score, firing world weapons |
| 20:53.12 | JeffM | serving maps over HTTP |
| 20:53.19 | JeffM | yelling at people |
| 20:53.34 | JeffM | crashing clients |
| 21:02.56 | capitaninsaneoh | I like the last one best |
| 21:02.57 | capitaninsaneoh | =P |
| 21:03.24 | JeffM | it's sadly true |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM | mofo was crashing clients with a bad plugin for a while |
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