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| 00:44.21 | jeffm | badly...... |
| 00:44.39 | jeffm | wow this works |
| 00:46.02 | blast007 | heh |
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| 03:02.06 | Constitution | blast007: yes... it doesn't work :P |
| 03:02.15 | blast007 | lol |
| 03:02.27 | Constitution | or were you looking for something more specific? |
| 03:02.40 | blast007 | what roadblock you hitting? |
| 03:03.41 | Constitution | Xcode seems to be returning errors related to which version of the SDK we ask for... not really sure why |
| 03:04.02 | Constitution | were people successful compiling it on mac through standard autotools scripts? |
| 03:04.12 | Constitution | I'm trying that now as well, for comparison |
| 03:05.47 | blast007 | I think so. JeffM managed to build a bin, but it didn't work when shoved int the 2.4.0 .app |
| 03:07.49 | Constitution | okay. I have been pretty busy with work. I have tomorrow off and will try to wrap it up. Are we happy with intel only 10.6+ only? |
| 03:12.19 | blast007 | yup, that's fine |
| 03:12.43 | blast007 | for the client end of things, not much (or anything?) has changed since 2.4.0 |
| 03:13.21 | blast007 | PPC users and keep using 2.4.0 - I mean, they should be used to running old software by now, right? ;) |
| 03:13.27 | blast007 | can keep* |
| 03:14.20 | Constitution | heh, yep |
| 03:21.34 | blast007 | I'm still working on the Windows installer script anyway - and we may still remove src/other/ from the repo, so the builds would need testing again after that if we do |
| 03:26.22 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22515 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 03:26.23 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: - Default to the correct installation directory when on a 64-bit version of Windows. |
| 03:26.23 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: - Use environment variables instead of NSIS variables for the user data shortcut. |
| 03:46.48 | Gabe_G23 | how is it that a silenced player can still /clientquery? |
| 03:47.15 | Gabe_G23 | Just gets kind of annoying when they start spamming you |
| 04:01.26 | BulletCatcher | Silencing a player just tells your client not to show any of their messages in your chat box. |
| 04:01.28 | BulletCatcher | clientquery is separate code not affected by that. |
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| 06:43.24 | allejo | is there a BZDB variable to hide the triangle that shows where the team flag is? |
| 06:45.27 | allejo | no on the radar but on the actual screen |
| 06:45.27 | khonkhortisan | I think that was a todo, along with radar markers |
| 06:45.52 | allejo | ahh alright. i'm aware of _hideTeamFlagsOnRadar but i wasn't sure if there was something else |
| 06:47.12 | BulletCatcher | Try lowering the quality from experimental to high. |
| 06:47.59 | BulletCatcher | That shows only the tiny triangle on the edge of the mousebox. |
| 06:48.33 | allejo | BulletCatcher, I was just wondering if there was a method of having it global simply because of a map that doesn't need flags but requires ctf |
| 06:49.28 | BulletCatcher | I'm not sure I understand. CTF without flags? |
| 06:51.06 | allejo | a simple game mode that keeps score via team score but without team flags |
| 06:52.13 | BulletCatcher | Does the traditional free-for-all mode not do what you want? |
| 06:52.59 | BulletCatcher | Run bzfs without -c to get that. |
| 06:53.25 | allejo | I'm working on a game mode to keep track of points scored as a team not the total of kills of a team |
| 06:55.28 | BulletCatcher | If the "/flag up" admin command makes the team flags go away, that might work. |
| 06:56.36 | BulletCatcher | We might have to add an API method to let a plugin do that, but that would be easy. |
| 06:56.49 | allejo | flag up doesn't effect team flags |
| 06:56.53 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 06:57.52 | allejo | i'll just leave the little triangle there then |
| 06:58.57 | BulletCatcher | If you can come up with a patch that works for you we may be able to add it. |
| 06:59.46 | BulletCatcher | But I'm not sure that we can do that without incrementing the protocol (i.e., going to version 2.6). |
| 06:59.52 | DTRemenak | why do you have to be in ctf mode? |
| 07:00.08 | DTRemenak | plugins should be able to set all the scores directly |
| 07:00.16 | BulletCatcher | To get team scores that aren't kills. |
| 07:00.27 | DTRemenak | including team scores |
| 07:01.15 | BulletCatcher | So the solution may be to manage the team scores (and not let kills change them). |
| 07:01.25 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 07:02.14 | DTRemenak | run without -c, but manipulate the team scores. might have to register an event for kills and "unscore" them, or we might have an event for score changes that would let you reject them |
| 07:02.56 | DTRemenak | if we're going to patch something, making custom game modes less of a hack is the direction to go :) |
| 07:03.17 | DTRemenak | but I think everything needed should be there |
| 07:03.38 | BulletCatcher | I think you're right. |
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| 07:16.57 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03Prestidigitator 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8341 10/Talk:BZWTools: |
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| 08:53.08 | ts | blast007: Hmm, are you sure about hardcoding "Local Settings" in http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi?r1=22515&r2=22514&pathrev=22515 ? As far as I know the folder names are not english in XP on localised installations, e.g. %USERPROFILE%\Lokale Einstellungen on a german system. This might be related: http://technet.microsoft.com/de-de/library/cc749104%28v=ws.10%29.aspx |
| 08:57.00 | ts | blast007: So maybe going to temp and then somehow one directory lower could work but I don't have access to a XP system. |
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| 10:36.22 | blast007 | ts: ah, hrm... |
| 10:37.06 | blast007 | ts: unfortunately, there isn't a nice environment variable for the local settings on XP |
| 10:39.46 | blast007 | the shortcut should work fine on Vista and 7 regardless of the system language |
| 10:40.22 | blast007 | (and on English versions of XP) |
| 10:40.49 | blast007 | and I think that's better than how it was done before, where it only worked for the user who installed the game |
| 10:41.42 | blast007 | and note that NSIS does not support Unicode, if that matters for this kind of thing |
| 11:55.37 | I_Died_Once | yeah... |
| 11:56.06 | I_Died_Once | if you guys could, make it on windows so that all users can easily access bzflag from the start menu without trickery |
| 11:56.29 | I_Died_Once | bravo, after the fact |
| 12:41.54 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: access the hidden folder with the configuration, screenshots, and saved worlds, you mean? cuz that's what that does. We actually tried that in 2.4.0, but it wasn't quite right. |
| 12:49.24 | I_Died_Once | no, i mean be able to see it in the start menu of other users thay may not have installed the game |
| 12:51.15 | I_Died_Once | for window machines with multiple users, this could be an installed option perhaps |
| 12:51.21 | I_Died_Once | **installer |
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| 12:52.51 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: eh, doesn't it already do that? |
| 12:53.13 | I_Died_Once | i know every administrates their systems differently, not to debate the finer points of all that - but if a computer has users "Admon001" & "Shalby" and "Jake" - and if Admin001 installs the program, it should show up in everyone's start menu |
| 12:53.14 | blast007 | afaik, the start menu shortcuts get put into 'all users' |
| 12:53.17 | I_Died_Once | no, it doesn't |
| 12:53.27 | I_Died_Once | i've had to finagle to get that right |
| 12:53.52 | I_Died_Once | double check that, i dont think thats the case |
| 12:54.36 | I_Died_Once | i might be wrong, ive been known to be retarded at times |
| 12:55.33 | blast007 | well, I'll check, but I'm pretty sure when I looked yesterday it went to all users, since I had to hit 'open all users' instead of just 'open' to see the shortcuts |
| 12:55.57 | I_Died_Once | maybe its been updated since i had to do that, who knows |
| 12:56.12 | blast007 | so you haven't checked recently, like, with 2.4.0? |
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| 16:35.42 | ryanakca | JeffM, blast007: as a heads up, I'll be away from Friday until Monday and so won't be able to do any packaging work on bzflag then. |
| 16:36.17 | JeffM | k |
| 16:39.42 | blast007 | JeffM: I tweaked a couple things in the windows installer script, but there's still some things to fix. The uninstaller isn't getting rid of the start menu shortcuts. |
| 16:40.07 | JeffM | k |
| 16:41.16 | blast007 | Also, ts brought up that on locaized versions of Windows, the 'Local Settings\Application Data' won't exist, since it will be in a different language. Dunno if there's an easy way to work around that in XP. The issue doesn't happen in Vista/7 since there's a %localappdata% environment variable I point at. |
| 16:42.05 | JeffM | we ask for the folder name from windows IIRC |
| 16:42.18 | blast007 | I mean for the start menu shortcut |
| 16:42.45 | blast007 | I changed it to use environment variables. Otherwise, the Config Directory link only worked for the user that installed the game. |
| 16:43.08 | JeffM | ahh, the installer should have functions to get the same folder stuff |
| 16:43.34 | blast007 | it does, but it would get us the directory for the current user |
| 16:44.22 | blast007 | I don't know if there's enough string manipulation options to snag the 'local settings\application data' part off, and I wouldn't be able to actually *test* if it worked on non-English installed of XP |
| 16:45.45 | JeffM | I'm sure others have the same problems |
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| 17:36.07 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: In 2.4 we ship only the DejaVu fonts in a form that the client can use. |
| 17:36.10 | BulletCatcher | I see no reason to include the Toga, Vera, and ume TTFs. |
| 17:38.04 | JeffM | ok then yank em |
| 17:38.13 | JeffM | I just copied what we had from trunk |
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| 17:40.54 | BulletCatcher | will do |
| 17:49.54 | JeffM | colaboration FTW! |
| 17:52.34 | blast007 | what's the plan for src/other/ ? |
| 18:06.52 | JeffM | for now I say we keep it, I have not heard otherwise |
| 18:07.02 | JeffM | they said they were willing to do the work to get it in |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM | and it's been there for the past 10 or so releases |
| 18:08.28 | JeffM | if we continue development after 2.4.2 then I say we start working on a plan to remove or redude our need for it |
| 18:08.36 | JeffM | I think tha'ts a good general goal |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM | I can probalby make windows use native versions of most of em |
| 18:09.37 | JeffM | if I build some parts mixed mode |
| 18:27.17 | BulletCatcher | I am going to include a copy of the DejaVu license file. They seem to require it. |
| 18:27.18 | blast007 | or for windows just have a pack you can download to fill the gaps |
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| 19:04.03 | blast007 | wonders if HP approves of the level 1 techs using the personal, non-commercial version of TeamViewer for remote assistance for business customers.. ;) |
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| 19:13.51 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22516 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (14 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:13.52 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: Keep only the DejaVu TrueType files, as their fonts are the ones we use. |
| 19:13.52 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: Rename DejaVu files to match upstream. |
| 19:13.52 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: Provide detailed upstream source info in README file and remove unneeded Subversion svn:keywords property. |
| 19:13.52 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: Add DejaVu license file. |
| 19:15.58 | BulletCatcher | While doing all that I realized that the DejaVu files really belong under src/other. |
| 19:17.28 | blast007 | they're fine in misc/ ;) |
| 19:28.05 | JeffM | they are only there to be nice like our other art file we put there |
| 19:28.45 | JeffM | I don't belive you have to include the TTF files with all uses of the artistic output of the font files |
| 19:28.54 | JeffM | otherwise all word docs would have to have them too :) |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM | glew is probably the only thing I can't replace with native code |
| 19:30.56 | JeffM | in src/other |
| 19:31.54 | JeffM | and pdurses, but I'd like to deprecate bzadmin and replace it with web tools |
| 19:45.35 | blast007 | yes, bzadmin can go die in a fire ;) |
| 19:45.58 | khonkhortisan | I haven't figured out how to use it yet, you might replace it before I do |
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| 19:46.11 | JeffM | good |
| 19:46.18 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: it's just a command line client.. not much to "learn" |
| 19:46.29 | JeffM | webadmin is a better concept and much more maintainable |
| 19:46.44 | blast007 | and it'll run on an iPhone! |
| 19:46.48 | JeffM | it just needs some fixes for auth and then it should be ready to go |
| 19:47.10 | khonkhortisan | so you can run webadmin but you can't run bzflag |
| 19:47.18 | JeffM | huh? |
| 19:47.22 | khonkhortisan | on an iphone |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM | yeah webadmin is an HTML page that is sent to the phone |
| 19:47.38 | blast007 | webadmin would just be a web page, so, yeah ;) |
| 19:47.40 | JeffM | bzflag is an application |
| 19:47.46 | JeffM | big difference |
| 19:47.54 | JeffM | webadmin runs on the server, not the device |
| 19:48.21 | JeffM | then it's up to the server to pick who gets access to admin features, not whoever tries to connect with a command line client |
| 19:50.34 | blast007 | JeffM: as for the "fixes for auth", what would that be? making it possible for a user that logs in via weblogin to generate an SSP with their name and authentication? |
| 19:50.48 | JeffM | no no, it's much more simple then that |
| 19:50.55 | JeffM | I just have prolems with the token stuff |
| 19:51.03 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:51.12 | JeffM | the web job isn't getting back from the redirect correctly |
| 19:51.29 | JeffM | it used to work in the old HTTPD stuff it just has some bugs in the new implementation |
| 19:51.36 | JeffM | so it's just debugin |
| 19:52.08 | JeffM | after that then it's just porting the old plugin over to the new vhost class |
| 19:52.32 | JeffM | the SSP stuff should be fine |
| 19:52.40 | blast007 | if we start pushing the web stuff, it'd probably be a good time to gut/fix/replace our list server and weblogin stuff, or even go all out and make a proper registration and group system. |
| 19:52.42 | JeffM | so they can chat away |
| 19:52.49 | JeffM | sure |
| 19:52.54 | blast007 | HTTPS and all |
| 19:53.09 | JeffM | security is overrated ;) |
| 19:56.22 | blast007 | yeah, true. We'll just have a publically accessible JSON or JSON-P file with all the usernames and passwords and pull from that. And then we'll just make sure to add it to robots.txt so nobody finds it. |
| 19:56.38 | JeffM | wroked for sony |
| 19:59.32 | khonkhortisan | it would be better to put it in a link island |
| 20:00.00 | JeffM | just shut up and give me your credit card info |
| 20:00.17 | khonkhortisan | I never remember my SSN |
| 20:00.31 | JeffM | go get your wallet, I can wait |
| 20:01.04 | khonkhortisan | there are some people in the world that would actually go get it |
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| 20:03.21 | JeffM | we can just switch to facebook authentication |
| 20:05.29 | I_Died_Once | "Click here to allow this application" |
| 20:06.12 | I_Died_Once | By clicking "Go to App" or "Send to Mobile" above, this app will receive: |
| 20:06.13 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.13 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.13 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.13 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.40 | I_Died_Once | I said a while back y'all should port bzflag to a facebook app! |
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| 20:11.49 | blast007 | JeffM: don't even *joke* about that ;) |
| 20:12.20 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, that's what apple would want to us to do to be in the OSX app store and what our app says whe you download it |
| 20:12.45 | JeffM | I may have to see what we can do to have const or I sign the build |
| 20:13.01 | JeffM | I just hope it dosn't cost 100$ |
| 20:22.59 | I_Died_Once | "What should I play today? Farmville... no... Mafia Wars... nah... bzflag - oh yeah!" |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM | bzflag would be very easy to implement in several of the facebook game frameworks |
| 20:23.55 | blast007 | "Buy a shield flag for $0.99?" |
| 20:24.17 | I_Died_Once | I've never seen any first person shooters in fb games |
| 20:24.25 | I_Died_Once | or anything 3d beyond angry birds |
| 20:24.26 | JeffM | blast007, no, 25 coins |
| 20:24.42 | blast007 | Insert Coin |
| 20:24.48 | I_Died_Once | granted, i don't play any except the occasional poker |
| 20:24.59 | JeffM | nor do you use google it seems ;) |
| 20:25.27 | I_Died_Once | you got me, i didn't search up and become an expert on all things facebook games |
| 20:28.24 | JeffM | most of them use a small group of frameworks |
| 20:33.26 | I_Died_Once | If we had DLC in the 90's - http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/54/32/09ef66288d9179049834c3d3d066b91e.jpg |
| 20:33.39 | I_Died_Once | off topic but this conversation reminded me of this |
| 20:34.00 | JeffM | they were called "expansion packs" |
| 20:34.39 | I_Died_Once | I could beat SMB2 without the princess |
| 20:36.07 | I_Died_Once | Luigi & Toad - FTR |
| 20:48.48 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: To sign the Mac build, it will cost $100. |
| 21:01.19 | JeffM | really? |
| 21:01.38 | JeffM | if we don't sign does it always say something about "this came from the internet and is evil!"? |
| 21:03.52 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: is that $100 just to sign it, or $100 to get a developer account which then gives you the ability to sign your applications? |
| 21:05.22 | blast007 | also, neat, only costs $100 to digitally sign my malware! ;) |
| 21:18.43 | ryanakca | just rebuilt bzflag from trunk, there are a few things my patches missed. Should I prepare a patch, or did someone want to manually fix the four typos? |
| 21:21.05 | JBdiGriz | The $100 is for the developer account which gives you the ability to sign your applications. |
| 21:21.38 | JBdiGriz | If we don't sign, then it is supposed to say something like that. |
| 21:22.01 | JBdiGriz | Of course, this is just current information and is likely to change as Mountain Lion gets rolled out. |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM | isnt that like this week JBdiGriz ? |
| 21:22.30 | JBdiGriz | Apple changed policies so that you don't have to log in to download a free app. |
| 21:23.10 | JBdiGriz | It's like tomorrow. I'll look over the developer documents sometime this week. |
| 21:25.19 | blast007 | ryanakca: if you would post a patch for it, that'd be great |
| 21:25.30 | ryanakca | blast007: Can I do it all in one shot? |
| 21:25.45 | ryanakca | (one patch)? Or do you want a logical separation between them. |
| 21:26.04 | JeffM | multiple patches would be best ryanakca |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM | they are easy to pull if they are a problem |
| 21:26.15 | JeffM | code dumps suck |
| 21:26.26 | ryanakca | It's a spelling mistake fixup, and then three hyphens-as-minus-signs (which means people can't copy-paste from the manpage to the command line) |
| 21:26.42 | JeffM | oh the horror! |
| 21:26.47 | ryanakca | I know! |
| 21:27.49 | blast007 | that could be a feature ;) |
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