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| 14:35.46 | spyroboy | hello |
| 14:36.02 | spyroboy | I'm using arch linux and I've got bzflag 2.4 installed. latest kernels. latest nvidia drivers. |
| 14:36.24 | spyroboy | for some reason, it doesn't matter what res I run bzflag at, windows or fullscreen, it runs extremely slow and it consumes 100% of one of my cores |
| 14:36.44 | spyroboy | it's absolutely unplayable |
| 14:37.14 | spyroboy | I've tried googling around but I haven't been able to find much. most stuff dates back to like 2004 and a lot of it is regarding the crappy fire glx stuff. |
| 14:38.23 | spyroboy | I've found a few resources saying that bzflag might not be limiting frames. I can't find how to enable the frame counter but I found the fps limiting setting in the bzflag config |
| 14:38.30 | spyroboy | it still doesn't help |
| 14:39.04 | spyroboy | any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks. |
| 14:40.21 | BulletCatcher | What is the output of a "glxinfo | grep rendering" command? |
| 14:41.39 | spyroboy | hello10:30 britestar ~ % glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 14:41.39 | spyroboy | direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:41.45 | spyroboy | ignore the hello |
| 14:42.22 | BulletCatcher | Okay, that means accelerated graphics are, indeed, enabled. |
| 14:43.18 | blast007 | I'd be curious what it shows for the renderer string |
| 14:43.40 | spyroboy | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7900 GS/PCIe/SSE2 |
| 14:43.55 | spyroboy | it's not a 2012 GPU but it can definitely play bzflag .. |
| 14:44.31 | blast007 | does BZFlag show that same string when you launch the client? it would list it at the bottom of the screen in the chat box area. |
| 14:44.50 | blast007 | (may have to scroll the chat up to see it) |
| 14:45.28 | spyroboy | it runs very slowly so I'm going to ask ahead of time |
| 14:45.34 | spyroboy | if I have to scroll the chatbox, how do I do that |
| 14:46.01 | spyroboy | nevermind |
| 14:46.04 | spyroboy | it shows, it's the same string. |
| 14:46.46 | BulletCatcher | Does the "glxgears" program run smoothly? Does it use much CPU time? |
| 14:47.02 | spyroboy | very smoothly |
| 14:47.13 | spyroboy | 43968 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8793.507 FPS |
| 14:47.20 | spyroboy | another thing to note is this |
| 14:47.29 | spyroboy | if I do -window 320x240 it's actually playable |
| 14:47.36 | spyroboy | although I think it's not rendering properly. |
| 14:47.53 | spyroboy | it's playable speedwise I mean |
| 14:48.00 | spyroboy | 640x480 is still unplayable. |
| 14:48.53 | spyroboy | you know what, I have an idea |
| 14:49.17 | spyroboy | well shit, I really apologize |
| 14:49.28 | spyroboy | I just moved my old .bzf to .bzf.old and it works well |
| 14:49.53 | spyroboy | looks like half a decade old configuration folder was screwing it all up. |
| 14:50.06 | BulletCatcher | That often fixes problems like that. Glad you found it. |
| 14:50.16 | spyroboy | thanks for looking into the problem with me |
| 14:50.20 | spyroboy | BulletCatcher, blast007 |
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| 23:06.14 | kevinz | Hi, I'm trying to get the BZFlag compile to find gl.h in a different directory. |
| 23:07.03 | kevinz | I want to use GL/gl.h instead of OpenGL/gl.h, can I do that? |
| 23:09.35 | jeffm | on what os? |
| 23:09.50 | kevinz | FreeBSD 9.0 |
| 23:10.23 | kevinz | GL and GLU headers are installed into /usr/local/include/GL |
| 23:10.48 | jeffm | I believe all our GL includes are manged via a single file |
| 23:10.50 | jeffm | bzgl.h |
| 23:11.00 | jeffm | since apple also put them in a different place |
| 23:11.20 | jeffm | change that and it may be all you need |
| 23:11.36 | jeffm | assuming the link stuff is the same as the default makefile |
| 23:11.38 | kevinz | What about the configure script? Do I need to mutilate that too? |
| 23:11.50 | jeffm | if it's just those includes, probably not |
| 23:11.56 | jeffm | but I don't know |
| 23:12.04 | jeffm | it may not build a client unless it detects it |
| 23:12.19 | jeffm | I am not a makefile expert so I dunno |
| 23:12.36 | kevinz | I didn't find bzgl.h, do you know where it is? |
| 23:13.03 | jeffm | should be in include |
| 23:13.05 | jeffm | let me look |
| 23:13.30 | jeffm | bzfgl.h |
| 23:13.35 | jeffm | I was close :) |
| 23:13.40 | kevinz | Ahh, thanks. |
| 23:13.56 | kevinz | What does that 'f' stand for, by any chance? |
| 23:14.15 | jeffm | flag |
| 23:14.18 | jeffm | bzflag |
| 23:14.36 | jeffm | the name of the project :) |
| 23:14.49 | jeffm | bz would just be battle zone, and bzflag has nothing to do with battlezone |
| 23:15.02 | kevinz | Oh right, I knew that -.- |
| 23:15.36 | kevinz | Hmm, bzfgl.h says GL/gl.h is the default. |
| 23:15.46 | jeffm | yep |
| 23:16.09 | jeffm | that's what most linux and windows systems do |
| 23:16.13 | jeffm | apple does openGL |
| 23:16.32 | kevinz | But on my system it's GL/gl.h too... |
| 23:16.37 | jeffm | it's possible your system was misidentified as being a mac |
| 23:16.55 | jeffm | what version are you building from? svn? |
| 23:17.08 | kevinz | No, 2.4 release. |
| 23:17.14 | jeffm | I would recommend using svn |
| 23:17.24 | jeffm | many bugs in the build system were fixed in it |
| 23:18.39 | kevinz | Well, the reason I chose the release was because I'm maintaining the FreeBSD port for BZFlag. |
| 23:19.13 | jeffm | then you'll have to figure out why you were identified as a mac |
| 23:19.13 | kevinz | The latest version we have in FreeBSD ports is 2.0.16 |
| 23:19.19 | jeffm | same for debian |
| 23:19.33 | jeffm | bzflag development is nearly non-existant |
| 23:19.38 | kevinz | I'm going to fix that though, but I just need to figure out how :) |
| 23:19.52 | jeffm | svn will become 2.4.2 when someone finishes the debian package |
| 23:20.06 | jeffm | well I'd see if svn works, if so then diff the makefiles and see what changed |
| 23:20.12 | jeffm | basic investigation |
| 23:20.17 | kevinz | Not a bad idea |
| 23:22.08 | kevinz | Out of curiosity, why isn't there a Debian port done? |
| 23:22.18 | jeffm | because nobody has finished it |
| 23:22.36 | jeffm | and the registered maintainer for debian seems to have gien up |
| 23:22.51 | kevinz | That's a problem. |
| 23:22.54 | jeffm | some others were working on it but haven't gotten around to finishing it |
| 23:23.02 | jeffm | oh bzflag has many problems ;) |
| 23:23.26 | jeffm | it's been a year since 2.4 and nothing has really been developed much |
| 23:23.52 | kevinz | Any conspiracies on what happened? |
| 23:24.00 | jeffm | bzflag died a long time ago |
| 23:24.38 | jeffm | time passed it by |
| 23:29.00 | jeffm | why can't you put svn in bad as 2.4.1? |
| 23:29.02 | kevinz | Wow, I think I made something work. |
| 23:29.27 | kevinz | Well, the freebsd ports system fetches sources from tarballs |
| 23:29.51 | kevinz | I told configure to look in /usr/local/includes, and it seems to have found it. |
| 23:30.10 | jeffm | fun |
| 23:30.21 | kevinz | Makes me wonder why I didn't check that first. |
| 23:30.47 | kevinz | Any changes feature-wise in 2.4.1? |
| 23:31.07 | jeffm | not really |
| 23:31.10 | jeffm | a few bug fixes |
| 23:31.18 | jeffm | support for joystick hats as a butons |
| 23:31.32 | jeffm | and fast map works |
| 23:31.51 | kevinz | I honestly have no clue what that means... |
| 23:32.00 | jeffm | what means? |
| 23:32.05 | kevinz | Joystick? Really? Maybe I should have paid more attention... |
| 23:32.07 | kevinz | Oh, fast map. |
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| 23:32.21 | jeffm | joystick has worked for a long long while |
| 23:32.30 | jeffm | someone just hooked up hats |
| 23:32.43 | kevinz | I never really played with a joystick before, maybe I should try it. |
| 23:32.48 | jeffm | fast map is a plugin that uses the internal http system to send maps instead of via the in game protocol |
| 23:32.58 | kevinz | I'm assuming its faster? |
| 23:33.02 | jeffm | yeah |
| 23:33.17 | jeffm | the in game system is limited to 1k per lag cycle |
| 23:33.31 | jeffm | http streams it out independent of the client/server pingback |
| 23:33.43 | kevinz | I've just been doing some port maint on the games I've played. |
| 23:34.02 | kevinz | Because unfortunately, nobody seems to maintain the games I play :( |
| 23:34.11 | jeffm | the client has been able to download via HTTP for a long time, fast map just makes it automatically use the bzfs server as the HTTP server |
| 23:34.41 | kevinz | Is fastmap automagically enabled? |
| 23:34.55 | jeffm | if you instal the plugin it will take care of the rest |
| 23:35.11 | jeffm | it enables a vhost on the built in http server |
| 23:35.27 | kevinz | I never knew the bzflag server came with an HTTP server |
| 23:35.34 | jeffm | it did in 2.4 |
| 23:35.42 | jeffm | it was back ported from 2.99 |
| 23:35.57 | kevinz | I played 2.4 on Winblows, maybe that's why |
| 23:36.06 | jeffm | it had it there |
| 23:36.15 | jeffm | all platforms have the same server features |
| 23:36.16 | blast007 | the HTTP server in bzfs shares the same port as the game |
| 23:36.21 | jeffm | yep |
| 23:36.27 | blast007 | it's not a separate application |
| 23:36.34 | jeffm | and it was developed on that OS you seem to dislike ;) |
| 23:36.40 | kevinz | Maybe I'm just really really ignorant ^_^ |
| 23:36.47 | jeffm | it would seem so |
| 23:37.15 | jeffm | the server figures out if each conniption is a client or something else |
| 23:37.25 | jeffm | then routes the message to ether the game, or a plugin |
| 23:37.32 | kevinz | I just know enough C/C++ to port stuff. |
| 23:37.47 | blast007 | it's not something that most users would know or care about, since a player doesn't have to worry about it |
| 23:37.53 | jeffm | yeah |
| 23:38.06 | kevinz | I'd put myself in the 'average users' category |
| 23:38.47 | kevinz | For me, its the 'programming' involved in turning 'intern' to 'extern' |
| 23:39.07 | blast007 | and regarding the debian package, someone mentioned on #debian-games that they were gonna look into getting it packaged for unstable/experimental |
| 23:39.30 | jeffm | blast007, so should we crap out 2.4.2 now? |
| 23:39.38 | blast007 | probably |
| 23:39.47 | kevinz | Silly developers... |
| 23:40.02 | jeffm | just being realistic |
| 23:40.26 | jeffm | then you and debian will have a new tarbal to use |
| 23:40.52 | kevinz | Nah, I like my BSD, thankyouverymuch |
| 23:41.01 | jeffm | AND debian |
| 23:41.04 | blast007 | that's why he said you *and* debian |
| 23:41.06 | jeffm | please read all the words |
| 23:41.10 | jeffm | they may be on a test later |
| 23:41.35 | kevinz | Oh, I assumed that I went along with debian |
| 23:42.00 | jeffm | you both need a tarbal to use in a package system, so in that respect yes there are similarities in your needs |
| 23:42.09 | kevinz | Very true |
| 23:42.36 | kevinz | Is it ever tempting to crank out versions as fast as Mozilla? |
| 23:42.45 | jeffm | we can tag when BulletCatcher is awake |
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| 23:42.59 | jeffm | you really don't know what goes on here do you? |
| 23:43.08 | jeffm | development on bzflag is SLOOWWWWWWW |
| 23:43.32 | kevinz | No, it's my first time here on bzflag irc. |
| 23:43.41 | kevinz | I'm just here because stuff isn't working. |
| 23:43.54 | blast007 | surprised this is the first time you're here then ;) |
| 23:44.00 | jeffm | one would think that the maintainer of a project on freebsd would be involved in the project |
| 23:44.20 | kevinz | I would assume so too... |
| 23:44.44 | kevinz | Except that I have the habit of playing games nobody cares to maintain. |
| 23:44.49 | kevinz | Then I get to do it myself. |
| 23:45.18 | kevinz | I've just been through with netrek-cow and crossfire-client a month or two ago. |
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| 23:45.47 | jeffm | they have a java client, hw would that need a freebsd version? |
| 23:46.05 | kevinz | Because I play the GTK2 version. |
| 23:46.18 | jeffm | they need to standardise |
| 23:46.19 | kevinz | And that's the version in ports |
| 23:46.38 | kevinz | Actually, I'm not the maintainer (yet) for BZFlag |
| 23:46.59 | jeffm | who is? |
| 23:47.01 | kevinz | Crossfire and Netrek didn't have maintainers, so I took over. |
| 23:47.20 | kevinz | chuck@pkix.net |
| 23:47.31 | kevinz | Anybody know him? |
| 23:47.36 | jeffm | nope |
| 23:48.02 | kevinz | But otherwise, I *should* be involved in BZFlag. |
| 23:48.16 | kevinz | The build finished, let's see if it works... |
| 23:48.20 | jeffm | there isn't much to it :) |
| 23:48.29 | blast007 | kevinz: have you tried contacting the current maintainer? |
| 23:48.49 | kevinz | Yep, he said he was going to get around to BZFlag when he had time |
| 23:48.57 | kevinz | And I told him I would do it now |
| 23:49.07 | jeffm | that sounds like most maintainers I've seen |
| 23:49.14 | jeffm | did he agree to turn it over to you? |
| 23:49.31 | kevinz | No, I'm just doing a change-request |
| 23:49.38 | kevinz | Though maybe I should ask him for maintainership |
| 23:49.39 | jeffm | what is the policy? |
| 23:49.47 | jeffm | yeah you should be civil first |
| 23:50.02 | kevinz | Basically, people submit patches to the port system. |
| 23:50.10 | kevinz | Then the patches go through the maintainer for approval. |
| 23:50.16 | jeffm | if we make a 2.4.2 maybe that wil bring him out |
| 23:51.03 | kevinz | Okay, time to play BZFLAG! |
| 23:53.36 | kevinz | I forgot that FreeBSD doesn't support my OpenGL acceleration yet... |
| 23:53.57 | jeffm | what a wonderful operating system you have there |
| 23:54.24 | blast007 | um, yes it does |
| 23:54.35 | kevinz | Then I supposed I screwed up something |
| 23:54.41 | jeffm | go be the maintainer of the driver that'll help ;) |
| 23:54.48 | blast007 | I mean, it depends on what chipset/card you have, of course |
| 23:54.57 | blast007 | but I see nVidia drivers for freebsd |
| 23:55.00 | kevinz | Right, they support my video card. |
| 23:55.09 | kevinz | But not the acceleration on the Intel integrated chipset |
| 23:55.20 | jeffm | get a real card |
| 23:55.20 | kevinz | That's coming when they put in KMS support |
| 23:55.34 | kevinz | I try |
| 23:55.46 | jeffm | nvidia cards are very cheap these days |
| 23:57.01 | kevinz | I have to figure out which one fits in my PCI expansion slots |
| 23:57.09 | blast007 | PCI, or PCIe? |
| 23:57.12 | jeffm | PCI or pcie? |
| 23:57.22 | jeffm | cus if it's PCI, then seriously get a new computer |
| 23:57.30 | kevinz | PCI... |
| 23:57.45 | jeffm | how old is the PC? |
| 23:57.50 | jeffm | 15 years? |
| 23:57.54 | jeffm | older then you? |
| 23:57.59 | blast007 | wonders if it's an intel i810 chipset as well ;) |
| 23:58.00 | kevinz | No, thankfully. |
| 23:58.09 | kevinz | Hey, I think it is! |
| 23:58.18 | blast007 | dear God, burn it with fire. |
| 23:58.21 | jeffm | what CPU is it? a celleron? |
| 23:58.22 | kevinz | As you can tell, it's somewhat old. |
| 23:58.33 | jeffm | thats VERY old |
| 23:58.34 | blast007 | if it's an i810, it's a PIII class system |
| 23:58.40 | kevinz | P4 |
| 23:58.48 | jeffm | does it have an AGP slot? |
| 23:58.54 | blast007 | then it's not an 810. maybe an 845. |
| 23:59.15 | jeffm | you can get an AGP card for like 17$ |
| 23:59.19 | kevinz | Let me find out. I can't really remember what computer I have |
| 23:59.34 | kevinz | (as you can see, I'm mostly ignorant) |
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