IRC log for #bzflag on 20120627

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16:17.35torandsWho made the BZFlag teamkill noise?
16:20.28torandskillteam.wav
16:20.40torandsanybody know?
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16:21.28torandsnobody?
16:21.51alezakosState your question again, JeffM was missing
16:22.00JeffMhuhwhat?
16:22.11JeffMI swear I did not know she was your daughter
16:22.28torandsWho made the BZFlag teamkill noise? teamkill.wav
16:22.38JeffMno clue
16:22.44JeffMit was there before we went opensource
16:22.45JeffMwhy?
16:23.15torandsIt all started when I was trying to watch a youtube video
16:23.32JeffMpeople have used our sounds in things, since our sounds are open source
16:23.33torandslisten:
16:23.36torandshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqxl9qiFonc&t=56s
16:23.45JeffMI have heard our shot stuff other places too
16:23.51torandsthe end of this ad has the same sound effect
16:24.13JeffMok
16:24.14JeffMso?
16:24.32torandsIt's just very amusing
16:24.35JeffMahh
16:24.38Constitutionthey had better release the project files and media sources for that video
16:24.54JeffMConstitution, only if you ask them, and it's LGPL, so just for that file ;)
16:25.06JeffMbut it's probable that they both came from the same PD source
16:25.12blast007that's also assuming that we *actually* have any rights to the file
16:25.13torandsPD?
16:25.16blast007public domain
16:25.18JeffMpublic domain
16:25.21torandsah
16:25.34JeffMI doubt someone went and recorded a donkey
16:25.56JeffMwhat woories me is that someone may have actualy stolen it from a non free soundbank and put it in bzflag
16:25.58torandsdon't vote for democrats... they teamkill
16:26.05torandsyeah right...
16:26.09blast007it'd be hard/impossible for us to prove that all our media files are "freely licensed"
16:26.21JeffMsome of the images I can prove
16:26.23blast007and we have no actual "source" files for them
16:26.27JeffMbut the sounds yeah
16:26.35blast007yeah, some, but not all
16:26.58JeffMthe media should be CCBy not LGPL it makes more sense
16:27.11JeffMor probalby just CCSA
16:27.20blast007CC-BY-SA
16:27.21torandsOh I was wondering, why do we have images for the bullets, why aren't they dynamically generated
16:27.28blast007there isn't just a CC-SA
16:27.40blast007torands: because that's how we do it
16:27.47torandsoh
16:27.49JeffMok, then I would not put hard limits on how the BY is applied
16:28.03JeffMtorands, depends on your graphics level
16:28.08DTRemenakactually looks like it was added shortly *after* bzflag went open source, along with jump, land, and phantom.  SVN r210.
16:28.13JeffMand yes images are used in the stuff
16:28.21JeffMDTRemenak, who did it?
16:28.25DTRemenakTim
16:28.35JeffMthen we have to assume he got them from a good source
16:28.42JeffMcus it's his ass on line if he didn't :)
16:28.50JeffMprobably PD
16:29.28JeffMtorands, the images are used as part of the particle effects in high quality shots
16:30.27torandsIt's seems much more flexible to have the shots generated on the fly, so you can easily change the color
16:30.46blast007but why would we need that currently?
16:30.47torandsOr is that up there with server-side bullets
16:30.52torandsyeah thought so
16:31.22blast007we don't have arbitrary team colors right now, so why would we need arbitrary shot colors?
16:52.56JeffMthe shots should be done with shaders anyway
16:53.01JeffMsame for lighting
16:53.17JeffMoptimaly we'd just use an existing third party engine for all graphics
16:56.18JeffMand then just send drawing scripts to the client for how to draw each object
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20:53.17JeffMwhere do people get the numbers the post on the forums?
20:53.29JeffMif 20% of the servers had games that'd be GREAT!
21:19.22blast007JeffM: related: http://bash.org/?737124
21:19.50JeffMit's a hat of asses
21:22.08blast007JeffM: then again, 20% might be fair.  he said that probably only 20% of the servers have even had anyone join them since the servers moved to 2.4.x, not that 20% of the servers have players on at the same time.
21:22.22JeffMahh
21:22.32JeffMwell I don't know where they get that ether
21:22.58blast007same place - just harder do disprove ;)
21:23.07JeffMwe could probably find out how many servers have had more then one player
21:23.25JeffMthinks quol could make a report ;)
21:23.31JeffMwe have the data
21:25.37TheCredibleJeffMyeah we have the server update table, it'd just be a query of that and then remove dupes by name
21:27.20TheCredibleJeffMor do it on the server names table with an innerjoin to the update table with a query to get the max player count for each server update
21:30.50TheCredibleJeffMlast week there were 200 servers total, and 162 of them had games acording to the stats
21:31.05TheCredibleJeffMwell had a single player
21:31.23I_Died_Oncedo observers count in that total?
21:31.31TheCredibleJeffMno
21:31.35I_Died_Oncegood
21:31.44TheCredibleJeffMnor do bots or bzadmins
21:32.01TheCredibleJeffMcomputing servers with multiple players
21:33.10TheCredibleJeffM129 servers had 2 or more players in the week where 200 servers were tracked
21:33.35TheCredibleJeffMand yes I_Died_Once you win for most players
21:33.56TheCredibleJeffM37
21:34.16TheCredibleJeffMbzflag.jp was next closest at 22
21:36.56TheCredibleJeffMwhat's interesting is that you have had 1448 different names play in that same week
21:37.13TheCredibleJeffMno idea how many of those are the same people
21:53.09TheCredibleJeffMI_Died_Once, do you log Ips?
22:02.14I_Died_OnceI got lots of logs
22:02.22I_Died_Onceand i do believe ip's are included
22:03.01I_Died_Oncei got logs from everything since wemoved to our current host
22:03.10I_Died_Oncesince... call it early january
22:03.32I_Died_Oncemost the entire running of the apocalypse
22:04.06I_Died_Onceyeah i got ip's
22:04.56I_Died_Onceyou need anything grep'd lemme know
22:08.52I_Died_Onceplus we got this
22:08.53I_Died_Onceplanet-mofo.com/donf/ranking.xhtml
22:09.02I_Died_Onceonly tracks kills between registered players
22:11.07I_Died_Oncei got that info on the logs, it'd be a matter of sifting through it
22:11.38TheCredibleJeffMI_Died_Once, I'd like to know how many unique IPs you get in a deay, week, month
22:11.50TheCredibleJeffMand how many unique class Cs
22:12.09I_Died_Oncei'll be happy to give it to ya if you tell me what commands to do on the log to get it
22:12.28TheCredibleJeffMnevermind then
22:12.41TheCredibleJeffMit's not somthing that uses "Commands" like you know them
22:12.53TheCredibleJeffMyou would have to take your logs into somethign that could do a query
22:12.58TheCredibleJeffMlike a database
22:13.38I_Died_OnceI'm wide open to doing that, may be a little over MY head, though
22:13.55TheCredibleJeffMwhat do you use your logs for?
22:14.32I_Died_Oncecat apocalypse.log | grep "foo"
22:14.52TheCredibleJeffMwow that must be incredbly inefficent
22:15.52I_Died_Onceprolly, works though
22:16.05TheCredibleJeffMsure for single value queries with no filtering
22:16.08I_Died_Onceit serves my purposes
22:16.14TheCredibleJeffMsure
22:16.18I_Died_Onceor i can grep the output fom grep
22:16.28I_Died_Once*from grep
22:16.38I_Died_Oncegrep-ception!
22:17.16I_Died_Onceslide me a link to a tutorial on what you have in mind
22:17.24TheCredibleJeffMthere isn't one
22:17.35TheCredibleJeffMnot all things are googleable
22:17.59I_Died_Oncei have my bzdmin client running full screen on my secoardy monitor from ym dual head setup
22:18.21TheCredibleJeffMyou would have to find all the join events with IPs, and write a script/app to count the unique Ips
22:18.27TheCredibleJeffMthat don't mean anything
22:18.30TheCredibleJeffMbzadmin is useless
22:18.49I_Died_Oncei disagree, i keep a decent eye on things
22:18.57TheCredibleJeffMfor this use
22:19.06TheCredibleJeffMI want to know how many actual people you service
22:19.08I_Died_Onceyeah
22:19.16TheCredibleJeffMnot player names
22:20.15I_Died_OnceI'd like to know these things too, now that you mention it, but doing a database like that is beyond my current ability
22:20.46I_Died_OnceI got full access to the logs, as you can imagine
22:21.23I_Died_Onceyou wanna send a script, or what have you, i will totally be willing to help and do w/e
22:22.22I_Died_Onceour current log, which we append to is 473 megs
22:22.42I_Died_Once$ du -h a*
22:22.42I_Died_Once7.8M    apocalypse-2.16.12-3.21.12.log.bz2
22:23.42I_Died_OnceI'm sure there are a hundred better ways to manage it
22:24.17I_Died_Onceyou tell me how and i'll give you 'da info, seriously
22:24.54I_Died_Oncei can install a program if its in the debian repo
22:25.27I_Died_Onceword
22:54.36TheCredibleJeffMI would not know what a "script" would be writen in to run on your system, nor do I know the format of your logs
22:55.17TheCredibleJeffMyou need a data miner
23:04.36I_Died_Onceum, "standard" output from bzfs?
23:05.22I_Died_Onceour start script
23:05.24I_Died_Oncewhile true; do /usr/local/bin/bzfs -conf ./FFA.conf | tee -a ~/FFA.log; sleep 20; done
23:05.46I_Died_Oncesame for the apocalypse, change the conf and log name
23:07.44I_Died_Oncei'm surprised no one has come up with some sort of bzfs log... :archiver" or web app or something to sift through the info
23:08.01blast007I_Died_Once: do you use logDetail or -d's?
23:08.07TheCredibleJeffMthat don't realy have a "format"
23:08.13I_Died_Onceyes, logdetail
23:08.20TheCredibleJeffMthen it's not standard
23:08.26blast007:)
23:08.36TheCredibleJeffMdon't worry about it, I don't care enough to teach you how to datamine
23:11.02I_Died_Oncei'm all about providing statistics or whatever data might help the project
23:11.11TheCredibleJeffMexcept you can't
23:11.21I_Died_Onceyou might have to help me get it, but i'm totally open to w/e
23:11.24TheCredibleJeffMyou have the data, not the ability to generate statistics
23:11.31TheCredibleJeffMexactly
23:11.47TheCredibleJeffMso you can't generate stats, you can just dump data
23:12.05TheCredibleJeffMand your data is not in an format that is easy to generate stats from
23:12.10TheCredibleJeffMwith out processing
23:12.25TheCredibleJeffMyou need a programer to process your data into stats
23:12.56I_Died_Onceheres a proposal, if you want, i could give you or another dev an ssh account on our host
23:13.22I_Died_Oncedebian squeeze
23:22.49I_Died_Oncedeath@virtual-debian:~$ tail -n 50000 /home/death/apocalypse.log | grep PLAYER-JOIN | sh datamine.sh | wc -l
23:22.49I_Died_Once493
23:23.44blast007like I said, though, you'll have to figure out how much of the log to pull
23:23.51blast00750,000 lines was just an example
23:29.57I_Died_Oncetail -n 50000 /home/death/apocalypse.log | grep PLAYER-JOIN | grep 2012-06-27 | sh datamine.sh | wc -l
23:29.57I_Died_Once431
23:30.21I_Died_Oncei dont think we're had 431 diff players today
23:32.16I_Died_Oncetail -n 100000 /home/death/apocalypse.log | grep 2012-06-27 | grep PLAYER-JOIN | sh datamine.sh | wc -l
23:32.16I_Died_Once431
23:35.16I_Died_Oncedoes that match info you guys have on your end? come close? seem right?
23:37.44TheCredibleJeffMI_Died_Once, and like I said, I don't care that much ;)
23:38.01TheCredibleJeffMhas trees to define in his spare time
23:39.56I_Died_Oncewe had 501 unique players yesterday
23:45.05I_Died_Oncewow i'm surprised at these numbers
23:46.54I_Died_Oncethx to an exceptionally awesome person, i can tell you how many unique IP's we've had on any given date
23:47.21I_Died_Oncepastebin in a moment
23:49.14I_Died_Oncei'll give you the whole month of june
23:49.19I_Died_Oncethus far

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