| 00:35.51 | kierra | too late |
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| 02:26.01 | JeffM | man.. they sure do love them some youtubes |
| 02:30.34 | spldart | Server ownerz... heads up... dunno for sure but he ran when i called him out... Player Pinkle. Cheating |
| 02:30.41 | spldart | Possible cheating |
| 02:31.03 | spldart | Switched to observer and saw crazy stuff |
| 02:31.45 | spldart | reboots |
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| 03:56.44 | JeffM | spamtastic! |
| 04:20.26 | BulletCatcher | The spam be gone. |
| 04:21.32 | JeffM | glory bee |
| 04:22.19 | spldart | #/kill religion |
| 04:23.35 | spldart | zomg.... please tomorrow... come now |
| 05:02.32 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501 * r118 10/trunk/unit0/game/ (Utilities.cs Game.csproj): Common utils, like computing an MD5 |
| 05:03.54 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501 * r119 10/trunk/unit0/gridWorld/ (Cluster.cs ClusterGeometry.cs World.cs): Serialization of worlds to and from memory buffers so they can be transmitted as single files. |
| 05:07.37 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501 * r120 10/trunk/unit0/gridWorld/World.cs: have the buffer based serialization allocate it's own data info object |
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| 05:32.37 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501 * r121 10/trunk/unit0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): store random maps as resource blobs to send to clients |
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| 16:07.33 | a_liberal | hello |
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| 16:22.26 | blast007 | hi |
| 16:39.15 | a_liberal | hows it going. |
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| 16:55.49 | blast007 | JeffM: tabs are more challenging!! |
| 16:56.37 | JeffM | he's an idiot |
| 16:56.44 | JeffM | just posting to post |
| 17:01.51 | blast007 | I do feel like I lose a couple IQ points every time I read one of his posts |
| 17:02.07 | blast007 | I'm just gonna pull his posting rights later today |
| 17:06.13 | a_liberal | who lol |
| 17:10.54 | blast007 | that guy on the forum |
| 17:11.29 | a_liberal | thatguy... dont know him |
| 17:12.22 | a_liberal | ChaoticFangUp? |
| 17:12.46 | blast007 | ding ding ding, you win! |
| 17:13.41 | a_liberal | I lol'd at his 2.0.14/16 post. |
| 17:14.32 | blast007 | "Stop changing textures!! And by textures, I mean anything related to the graphics on the screen!!" |
| 17:19.04 | JeffM | he wants to feel important |
| 17:19.14 | JeffM | such is the way of youngsters sometimes |
| 17:20.34 | blast007 | JeffM: that new GM texture has too much depth. it's like it's a 3D or something. |
| 17:21.13 | JeffM | yeah it's funny, he comments on the post about the changes needed to keep people, then says the new version sucks and we should not change it :) |
| 17:21.24 | JeffM | I bet he dosn't like 2.4 cus he'd have to rebuild his cheats |
| 17:24.21 | a_liberal | I like 2.4. So yeah. lol. And yeah, updates are plenty necessary |
| 17:24.30 | blast007 | nah, he's just one that thinks only the changes he wants should be included :P |
| 17:24.55 | blast007 | a_liberal: I like trains. |
| 17:24.55 | a_liberal | I mean 1.8 was wonderful, and one of my fav releases, but Im glad we've updated. |
| 17:25.00 | a_liberal | I do like trains. |
| 17:25.04 | blast007 | 1.8 was never released. |
| 17:25.11 | a_liberal | Yeah it was. |
| 17:25.12 | blast007 | 1.10.8 you mean? |
| 17:25.17 | a_liberal | Same diff |
| 17:25.22 | a_liberal | Its been that long xD |
| 17:25.22 | blast007 | no, completely different |
| 17:25.43 | blast007 | 1.8 was a development version that was largely abandoned |
| 17:25.51 | a_liberal | Fair enough. You get what I mean. I was going to look it up to make sure I said the right version. |
| 17:26.04 | JeffM | 1.8 was TOTALY different then 1.10 |
| 17:26.23 | JeffM | 1.10 was made because 1.8 had code nobody wanted to use |
| 17:26.35 | JeffM | in some ways 1.8 is better then enve 2.4 |
| 17:26.50 | a_liberal | So why didnt people want the code? |
| 17:27.04 | blast007 | only things I remember from 1.8 is that it had rain and the thief flag. can't remember anything else about it. |
| 17:27.08 | JeffM | it was the last code worked on by the origonal author and nobody else understood it |
| 17:27.19 | JeffM | blast007, it has bzdb and genric XML model support |
| 17:27.25 | JeffM | oog support and a bunch of other stuff |
| 17:27.31 | blast007 | ah, fun |
| 17:27.50 | JeffM | yeah it had a lot of neat stuff, but was written by like one guy so nobody followed along and would help. |
| 17:28.21 | a_liberal | Geez. Kinda harsh to him. |
| 17:29.05 | JeffM | who? |
| 17:30.15 | a_liberal | By original author, do you mean the creator of BZ? |
| 17:30.20 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:30.23 | JeffM | chris |
| 17:30.39 | a_liberal | And no one would go along with him? That seems harsh. |
| 17:30.40 | JeffM | he did a lot of code, then left |
| 17:30.51 | a_liberal | Ah so there was bad blood there. |
| 17:30.53 | JeffM | he did a lot on his own then had huge code drops |
| 17:30.58 | JeffM | no it had nothing to do with that |
| 17:31.03 | JeffM | it was his dev style |
| 17:31.27 | a_liberal | Gotcha. Didn't really do anything incremental, just threw stuff out in bulk. |
| 17:31.30 | JeffM | it's very hard to have others get up to speed when someone just keeps droping huge code changes with no discussion |
| 17:31.35 | JeffM | sorta |
| 17:31.39 | JeffM | you need to work with people |
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| 17:33.08 | JeffM | so when he went to his other job, we all just decided to keep the 1.7 codebase and pull what we wanted from 1.8 and call it 1.10 |
| 17:33.21 | a_liberal | Any project needs that, but I'd imagine its very important with open-source projects. |
| 17:33.39 | JeffM | depends on how it's managed |
| 17:33.57 | JeffM | ones that run patch based with people that accept and review patches can work with code dumps better |
| 17:34.09 | JeffM | ones that work like us tend to do better with colaboration. |
| 17:37.01 | a_liberal | Sure. All depends on the team. Makes sense. |
| 17:37.46 | JeffM | and the management |
| 17:40.19 | a_liberal | So what language should I learn first do you suggest? I've done very basic Java in the past, so Im a beginner. |
| 17:40.42 | JeffM | language dosn't matter |
| 17:40.52 | JeffM | many schools teach java |
| 17:40.55 | JeffM | some teach python |
| 17:40.57 | JeffM | some teach C |
| 17:41.20 | blast007 | some teach microsoft office and call it a day ... |
| 17:41.22 | a_liberal | Sure, Im just wondering what youd suggest. |
| 17:41.28 | a_liberal | ^^no kidding blast |
| 17:41.30 | JeffM | C# |
| 17:41.55 | blast007 | I'm trying to get some programming courses added here... there's literally nothing in the entire K-12 |
| 17:41.56 | JeffM | it's easy to start with, has some of the simplicty of java and is open source. |
| 17:42.09 | a_liberal | Well Ill start with it then. |
| 17:42.40 | a_liberal | Yeah blast, my school didnt really have anything. |
| 17:42.55 | a_liberal | They had one AP Java class and it was online and the teacher didnt teach |
| 17:43.15 | a_liberal | He threw stuff out there that was poorly written and threw complicated assignments at everyone. |
| 17:44.00 | a_liberal | 45 people started the yearlong class. I withdrew halfway through as not to fail. Apparently 26 other students had the same idea. |
| 17:44.50 | a_liberal | Yeah. Over half the class was that lost and he was never online to help. The only ones left had previous experience programming or were told they couldnt withdraw. Was hell on those forums with people pissed everywhere lol. |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM | most people can learn to program online |
| 17:45.52 | JeffM | just do some tutorials |
| 17:45.55 | JeffM | it's pretty easy |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | programing is just applied logic |
| 17:47.04 | a_liberal | Oh no I'm sure I can. He didnt give tutorials. He gave notes with definitions. Then assignments. |
| 17:48.26 | blast007 | in my high school, we had Turbo Pascal. And then I did essentially and independent study of C++. Though.. it was initially Borland C++ 4.5, which had two build targets. Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.11. ;) OWL ftl. |
| 17:49.26 | blast007 | But yeah, C# is really quite nice. I much prefer it over Java. |
| 17:50.32 | blast007 | JeffM: for the HTTP stuff in C#, are you just handling it with your own code, or are you using some library? |
| 17:51.06 | JeffM | blast007, .net has classes |
| 17:51.11 | JeffM | HTTPListener and WebClient |
| 18:05.31 | blast007 | sweet, looks like HTTPListener can do SSL, though it requires some command-line work |
| 18:06.07 | JeffM | yeah the certs have to be in the right place |
| 18:06.26 | blast007 | httpcfg is used to register the cert |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:07.59 | JeffM | yeah I figured we'd be able to SSL all the communication |
| 18:08.58 | blast007 | I was interested since I'm in the planning stages for a computer inventory/management system, and SSL would be nice for that (since there might be passwords/files transmitted) |
| 18:09.24 | blast007 | and HTTP is an easy protocol to work with |
| 18:09.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:09.39 | JeffM | the listener class is VERY easy to use |
| 18:09.53 | JeffM | tho you can also use lidgren and crypto it too |
| 18:10.53 | blast007 | yeah, that's something that might be worth a look as well |
| 18:11.19 | JeffM | you dont' need a trust relationship do you? just middleman prevention |
| 18:11.43 | blast007 | I'm not sure |
| 18:11.53 | blast007 | I'm still thinking of what all it would do eventually |
| 18:12.17 | blast007 | initially, it'd be a help desk like system with inventory tracking |
| 18:13.04 | blast007 | but over time, it'd be cool to add more features, like software deployment, remote control/view/registry, etc |
| 18:13.21 | JeffM | then http and ssl would probabe be a better choice |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM | then it can integreate with other systems/sites |
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| 20:26.36 | JeffM | should turn the tank into a pony and publish another video |
| 20:26.44 | blast007 | lol |
| 20:27.11 | JeffM | and to win you have to love and tollerate the crap out of the other players |
| 20:32.05 | joevano | JeffM: don't we already do that ;-) |
| 20:32.14 | JeffM | hugs win wars |
| 20:32.45 | blast007 | capture the hug. team death hug. rabbit hug. |
| 20:32.54 | JeffM | team bear hug |
| 20:33.08 | JeffM | capture the leapoard |
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| 20:47.21 | CinSyn[Peaches] | Imma feel really stupid after this, but how do you get to your game after you start the server? |
| 20:47.49 | joevano | how are you starting it? |
| 20:48.04 | joevano | in the client? |
| 20:48.15 | CinSyn[Peaches] | yes |
| 20:48.59 | joevano | you should be able to put 'localhost' (no quotes) in the server address field and 5154 in the port |
| 20:49.05 | joevano | (i think) |
| 20:49.52 | CinSyn[Peaches] | i must admit: i'm *really* clueless. Where's the Server Address Feild? |
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| 20:51.42 | joevano | "Join Game"... then there is a Server and a Port field |
| 20:53.03 | CinSyn[Peaches] | Oh. i told you i'd feel stupid. I completely missed the 'connect' menu option...? |
| 20:53.24 | joevano | no problem |
| 20:58.44 | JeffM | joevano wins at capture the hug |
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| 21:20.29 | blast007 | CinSyn[Peaches]: and if 'localhost' doesn't work, try 127.0.0.1 |
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