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| 15:10.41 | L4m3r | right, I just think that a lot of players might disagree with you ;) |
| 15:14.41 | a_liberal | Oh no I know they do and I have to deal with that its cool |
| 15:14.49 | a_liberal | I just miss it lol |
| 15:18.33 | L4m3r | well then, I need to go to work now, later |
| 15:22.57 | a_liberal | Take it easy. |
| 15:32.37 | blast007 | finds that Kodu runs like crap on this PC ;D |
| 15:33.02 | blast007 | stupid intel extreme craphics |
| 15:33.46 | a_liberal | lol built in? |
| 15:34.14 | a_liberal | The little HD3000 in my i3 is pretty decent actually |
| 15:34.36 | a_liberal | Extreme and HD alike are a little deceiving though arent they :D |
| 15:36.44 | blast007 | this is an older chipset that can barely run the Aero effects in Windows 7 :P |
| 15:36.56 | blast007 | think it's the GMA 3100 |
| 15:37.27 | blast007 | which isn't the 'HD' series - so it's older than the HD3000 |
| 15:37.47 | blast007 | and strangely, it's slower than the GMA 3000 (and of course, the GMA HD3000) |
| 15:38.29 | blast007 | it's a 3GHz dual core processor though. Core 2 Duo E8400. With a decent video card in here, it could do pretty well. |
| 15:39.16 | blast007 | and by "decent" I mean some half-height PCIe x16 card that doesn't draw too much power, since there's no PCIe power cables |
| 15:54.21 | a_liberal | lol yeah just get a low profile |
| 15:54.57 | a_liberal | one of the best ones you can get is the 8400 gs |
| 15:55.03 | a_liberal | in terms of basic use |
| 15:56.42 | a_liberal | http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Express-Graphics-01G-P3-1302-LR/dp/B0049MPQA4 |
| 15:57.42 | a_liberal | VGA, DVI and HDMI Out |
| 15:59.11 | a_liberal | Thats a good computer and the 8400 will do the job enough, maybe not much for gaming, but still much better than integrated |
| 16:01.00 | blast007 | well, I wouldn't be doing gaming on it. It's my work PC. :) |
| 16:01.19 | blast007 | my home PC already has an nVidia 9800 GTX+, but that's gonna get upgraded soon |
| 16:01.24 | a_liberal | Then that card will do work :D |
| 16:01.37 | a_liberal | Yeah I got a 550 Ti in my rig at home |
| 16:01.58 | a_liberal | but I really need to up my processor. Got a 3.2 Phenom II X2 that I unlock into quad core |
| 16:02.00 | blast007 | I'm looking to go AMD next time |
| 16:02.22 | blast007 | one of the higher end Radeon HD 7xxx cards, specifically. either a 2GB or 3GB. |
| 16:02.24 | a_liberal | but Phenoms dropped in price so Im looking at a 3.6 Ghz X4 that I can just speed up the cores |
| 16:02.51 | a_liberal | Ah yeah those are some nice cards. Real expensive though. |
| 16:03.02 | blast007 | yeah, I'm waiting until the car is paid off ;) |
| 16:03.14 | a_liberal | I went with the 550 because it was 200 and still had plenty of power with 2gb of ram and 176 cuda cores |
| 16:03.32 | a_liberal | Yeah im still paying for a damn mailbox X.X |
| 16:05.16 | blast007 | I'll probably do a 7950 or 7970, but I'll wait for the 7990 to come out and see if it makes the other two come down a bit in price |
| 16:06.12 | a_liberal | Definitely. Yeah I really should have invested but it was a gift anyway, so not a big deal lol. |
| 16:06.39 | a_liberal | Don't go with an AMD until both them and Microsoft fix their multi-core issues. |
| 16:06.42 | blast007 | I had upgraded the rest of my computer, so it's time to do the GPU now :) |
| 16:07.17 | a_liberal | Up until recently, Bulldozers couldnt do much because Windows couldn't even see past six cores unless it was a server. |
| 16:08.10 | a_liberal | Windows was updated, but still, there are issues I believe. I think the architecture also has issues. |
| 16:08.34 | a_liberal | But Piledriver is out this year. Should be a lot better and finally give the core series a run for its money. |
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| 16:11.22 | blast007 | just recently saw a "quad core" processor from AMD that wasn't really a quad core. Basically a dual-core with AMD's version of hyper-threading. |
| 16:12.29 | a_liberal | Yes. I believe that's in the APU or the E series. |
| 16:13.19 | a_liberal | That will be the downfall of AMD if they dont at least continue having dedicated cores. |
| 16:13.51 | blast007 | kinda crappy to call it a "quad-core" |
| 16:13.55 | a_liberal | Intels all are like that and arent really true multi-cores because they share the same cache |
| 16:14.07 | a_liberal | Intels have never been true multi-cores |
| 16:14.22 | a_liberal | AMDs all have dedicated cache to each core. |
| 16:15.55 | a_liberal | With that, the pipelines from the cache are dedicated for most AMDs, and not for the Intel's. Intel has one pipeline that splits to the logical cores. |
| 16:16.05 | a_liberal | didnt mean to log lol |
| 16:16.30 | a_liberal | but yeah now AMD is getting a bit risque |
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| 16:17.48 | a_liberal | but the seperate cores are not performing as well as they should |
| 16:18.22 | a_liberal | and Intel's micro-managing turbo boost and the headroom it provides is much more effective than Bulldozer's management. |
| 16:22.34 | blast007 | I've got an i5-2500K at home |
| 16:22.43 | blast007 | performs like a champ |
| 16:23.07 | a_liberal | Oh yeah top tier there |
| 16:23.49 | a_liberal | And the whole reaon for that again is because AMDs have those split cores, and games still dont require multi-processing as heavily |
| 16:24.04 | a_liberal | and the headroom in those Cores are fantastic |
| 16:24.17 | a_liberal | I mean this laptop can play a lot of games with an entry level i3 |
| 16:26.23 | a_liberal | But that Sandy Bridge is gonna last you a long time. |
| 16:26.53 | a_liberal | And as much as I'd like to be an AMD fanboy because of how good they've been for me over the years, |
| 16:27.26 | a_liberal | Intel is the clear winner and I'm sure they will be for the next few years. Unless of course you use AutoCAD or some crazy intensive multi-threading applications. |
| 16:31.16 | a_liberal | My friend has a i7-2700k and that thing is ridiculous. He threw a 6970 in it and now its just a ridiculous machine. |
| 16:37.05 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:37.56 | a_liberal | Yeah lol he's about to build a THIRD rig. Keep in mind this is on his Geek Squad paygrade xD |
| 16:38.13 | a_liberal | He built two rigs in the past year |
| 16:39.09 | a_liberal | an i7-2600k with an Intel Extreme Motherboard and 8GB of DDR3-10666 clocking at 1600 Mhz |
| 16:39.28 | a_liberal | Not sure about the card in that, maybe its a 6850? not sure though |
| 16:39.40 | blast007 | I have 16GB in mine currently |
| 16:40.00 | a_liberal | and then his newer rig is that i7-2700k with 16 GB of DDR3 at 2133 MHz |
| 16:40.10 | a_liberal | and that 6970 |
| 16:40.23 | a_liberal | i wish at times i had that money to blow xD |
| 16:40.37 | a_liberal | and hes married and going to tech school |
| 16:41.10 | a_liberal | but he is using retail discounts given to us by intel so its not nearly as much lol |
| 16:41.27 | blast007 | http://www.fit-pc.com/web/intensepc/ <--- mmm, a little i7 powered system ;) |
| 16:41.36 | blast007 | low powered i7, of course, but still |
| 16:41.49 | blast007 | 1.5GHz dual-core i7 at most |
| 16:42.35 | blast007 | hyperthreaded, and has a turbo boost of up to 2.4GHz. Dunno if it would boost that high in a fanless system though. |
| 16:43.02 | a_liberal | hot damn look at that little guy! |
| 16:43.22 | blast007 | the Fit-PC3 is an AMD Fusion platform |
| 16:43.39 | a_liberal | well id rather have a core in it |
| 16:44.22 | blast007 | a Radeon HD 6320 might not be bad to have, though ;) |
| 16:45.08 | blast007 | a bit pricy though |
| 16:47.17 | a_liberal | its built in right? |
| 16:47.22 | a_liberal | with that APU? |
| 16:47.24 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:48.05 | a_liberal | Discrete built-in is very nice I have to say |
| 16:48.14 | blast007 | I'd use it for a XBMC system |
| 16:48.22 | a_liberal | XBMC? |
| 16:48.32 | blast007 | media center |
| 16:48.46 | a_liberal | hmmm |
| 16:48.49 | a_liberal | looks interesting |
| 16:48.59 | a_liberal | ahhh a Debian distribution |
| 16:49.05 | a_liberal | or its been accepted rather |
| 16:49.26 | blast007 | XMBC itself isn't tied to a specific distro. it's just software that can run on Windows or Linux, or Apple TV (I think) |
| 16:50.45 | a_liberal | Well its approved now for Debian |
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| 16:51.43 | a_liberal | And will be easy to install with the next LTS of Ubuntu, 12.04 |
| 16:51.48 | a_liberal | Neat-o |
| 16:52.11 | a_liberal | well Im heading home now, tomorrow I'll probably get up decently early and start into the world of C |
| 16:52.20 | a_liberal | take it easy! |
| 16:52.55 | a_liberal | thanks for the info and discussion! |
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| 17:17.27 | khonkhortisan | umbrello is asking me whether StateDatabase is a namespace or a class |
| 17:17.40 | JeffM | a class |
| 17:17.43 | JeffM | we have few namespaces |
| 17:18.07 | JeffM | why? |
| 17:18.57 | blast007 | "Umbrello UML Modeller is a free software UML diagram tool" |
| 17:19.05 | JeffM | iahh |
| 17:19.07 | khonkhortisan | Someone on #suse was asking about class diagrams being bigger than page size in dia yesterday and since then I've been trying to make a class diagram |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM | oh godf |
| 17:19.21 | JeffM | you are a brave man |
| 17:19.33 | JeffM | but it should be able to know if it's a namespace or not |
| 17:19.57 | JeffM | class StateDatabase : public Singleton<StateDatabase> |
| 17:19.58 | blast007 | here's our class diagram: http://www.socalmodelcontest.com/puffinschool/images/stories/scribbles.jpg |
| 17:20.13 | JeffM | it may not like the singleton template |
| 17:20.47 | khonkhortisan | that's what I expect it to come out as |
| 17:21.49 | blast007 | in college, I worked with some company as a class project. we had to design a new software system for them. we asked what their current system was like, and they grabbed a piece of paper and a pen and scribbled on it like that ;) |
| 17:22.46 | khonkhortisan | then it should've been an easy job |
| 17:23.05 | blast007 | it wasn't. it was an event scheduling system. |
| 17:23.20 | blast007 | where events would rent out rooms/equipment. |
| 17:24.09 | khonkhortisan | so it has to keep track of supplies too |
| 17:24.23 | blast007 | and I think I intially tried to do it with Microsoft Access, and very quicky got pissed off with VB6/VBScript syntax and went with PHP+MySQL |
| 17:24.49 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: well, and it didn't seem like it would be that complicated |
| 17:25.04 | blast007 | however, now throw in daylight savings time ... |
| 17:25.36 | blast007 | I wasn't experienced enough with stuff like that to be 100% sure my stuff would actually work when DST took effect, not to mention they keep changing the rules now .. |
| 17:25.54 | khonkhortisan | just don't sell any rooms on those two days a year |
| 17:25.58 | blast007 | haha |
| 17:26.23 | blast007 | "In observance of daylight savings time, we are closed for business today." |
| 17:26.34 | khonkhortisan | yeah it's a holiday |
| 17:27.16 | JeffM | so how's fangup's second chance going blast007 ? |
| 17:27.31 | blast007 | oh, going great! |
| 17:28.17 | JeffM | he seems so mature now |
| 17:29.06 | JeffM | oh and did you see the idea that we should get bzflag included with some linux distrobutions.. tha'ts an awesome idea.. can you get on that? |
| 17:29.19 | blast007 | woah, that's brilliant |
| 17:29.36 | blast007 | I should start with Debian! |
| 17:30.39 | JeffM | it can't be that hard |
| 17:32.44 | blast007 | fangup had some post pleading to be unbanned from the game |
| 17:32.56 | blast007 | which was promptly deleted, of course, like most of his posts ;) |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:33.22 | JeffM | he seems to be on the same path as before |
| 17:33.25 | blast007 | "I don't care if I'm banned from the forum, but unban me from the game! blah blah blah" |
| 17:33.42 | JeffM | that right there should be an automatic "no" |
| 17:33.43 | blast007 | he seems to think he's banned from the game because of his actions on the forum |
| 17:33.52 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:34.04 | blast007 | but it's just because he's an annoying little asshat ;) |
| 17:34.44 | JeffM | this is a true statement |
| 17:35.04 | JeffM | wishes he could change his avatar to a pony |
| 17:35.18 | blast007 | oh man, I should |
| 17:35.29 | JeffM | tis an abbuse of power |
| 17:35.41 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:36.28 | blast007 | it's about equivilent to assigning someone the rank of asshat, really.. |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM | then, http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/download/file.php?avatar=9120_1327160619.jpg |
| 17:37.03 | JeffM | is all I have to say |
| 17:37.23 | JeffM | or, http://images.wikia.com/mlp/images/7/73/Derpy_id.png |
| 17:38.21 | blast007 | I have one at home that an animated GIF with the eyes going around is opposite directions |
| 17:38.26 | JeffM | sweet |
| 17:41.48 | blast007 | the cool part is that if he screw up again, I can ban both his home IP *and* his library's IP. ;) |
| 17:45.48 | blast007 | screws* |
| 18:58.19 | khonkhortisan | does bzflag have any kind of automatic documentation like doxygen? |
| 19:25.04 | blast007 | no |
| 19:35.00 | khonkhortisan | what's your opinion of generated documentation? |
| 19:38.16 | blast007 | that it's only useful if the code is actually documented :P |
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| 20:17.27 | blast007 | seriously ponders just moving the BZFlag VPS onto a VM on his dedicated server |
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| 20:23.17 | khonkhortisan | include/ includes two things from src/ |
| 20:24.19 | blast007 | k |
| 20:45.56 | JeffM | why do people keep saying that youtube is the thing that bzflag most needs? |
| 20:46.06 | JeffM | who searches youtube for gameplay videos? |
| 20:47.05 | khonkhortisan | I watch them if I see them, but I don't seek them out. Gameplay videos are better embedded |
| 20:47.42 | JeffM | yeah, I think that most youtube trafic must be from embeded |
| 20:49.19 | joevano | seriously ponders if ChaoticFangUp is worth the hassles |
| 20:49.50 | JeffM | does it look like he's changed from when he was banned before? |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM | I mean the dude dosn't even like my little pony! |
| 20:50.25 | joevano | not really, but I can hold out a bit longer |
| 20:52.25 | JeffM | who was sponsoring his second chance? |
| 20:59.46 | khonkhortisan | not it! |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM | heh, you are not a forum admin :) |
| 21:02.43 | khonkhortisan | I don't think I'd want to be |
| 21:02.49 | JeffM | it is not fun |
| 21:54.31 | khonkhortisan | doxygen isn't as smart as eclipse, it can't see "HUDRenderer::renderStatus()" calls "Roaming::getRoamingLabel()" through a "#define ROAM (Roaming::instance())" |
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| 22:02.33 | calzaath | how would i import a BZW file into a .obj file and other way around? |
| 22:02.49 | JeffM | the client can save a map as an object |
| 22:02.56 | JeffM | and model tool turns obj into bzw |
| 22:03.11 | JeffM | there are also several third party tools that do aspects of the conversion |
| 22:03.18 | JeffM | wings3d can write bzw |
| 22:03.31 | JeffM | the blender plugins can read/write bzw |
| 22:03.45 | calzaath | hmmm i cant find my worlds folder cause' its hidden |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM | it? |
| 22:04.11 | calzaath | and i was trying to work the plugins bot ther wernt working |
| 22:04.19 | calzaath | the folder |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 22:05.01 | calzaath | Linux |
| 22:05.12 | JeffM | then it should be in the .bzf folder in your home dir |
| 22:05.13 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 22:05.26 | JeffM | and were you trying to use the server side player pluing? |
| 22:05.29 | JeffM | plugin? |
| 22:05.50 | calzaath | actually, i think dad could hellp....sorry to bother you :-\ |
| 22:05.56 | JeffM | it's no bother |
| 22:06.03 | calzaath | and its supper time |
| 22:06.06 | JeffM | the server side player bot plugin is nowhere near complete |
| 22:06.07 | calzaath | :P |
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| 22:07.04 | mr64bit | Hey, can anyone help me with the BZW Blender plugin? |
| 22:07.14 | JeffM | we didn't make it |
| 22:07.20 | khonkhortisan | ooh, cool |
| 22:08.31 | JeffM | what problems are you having with it? |
| 22:08.43 | mr64bit | I just can't get blender to recognize it. |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM | I'm not sure if it's been updated to the current blender software |
| 22:09.16 | khonkhortisan | the bzw toolkit link at http://wiki.bzflag.org/Blender doesn't work |
| 22:09.21 | mr64bit | I have 2.62 |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM | yeah the author kinda dropped it |
| 22:09.29 | mr64bit | I got it from blast's file server |
| 22:09.57 | mr64bit | http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/BZWTools/ |
| 22:10.13 | JeffM | yeah it's hard for us to support it since we didn't write it |
| 22:10.18 | blast007 | yeah, I archived it at one point because the old host had spotty uptime |
| 22:10.32 | mr64bit | any suggestions then? |
| 22:10.35 | JeffM | you may want to ask on the blender channel, they know what it's looking for |
| 22:10.41 | blast007 | I haven't actually used it, though, and it probably doesn't work with newer versions of blender |
| 22:10.51 | mr64bit | or should I try wings3d? |
| 22:10.59 | JeffM | depends on what you are trying to do |
| 22:11.02 | blast007 | what are you wanting, exactly? |
| 22:11.15 | JeffM | do you just want to convert a mesh to bzw? |
| 22:11.48 | mr64bit | start making simple maps. |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM | have you read the articles on map making on the forums and wiki? |
| 22:12.06 | mr64bit | then move on to more complex stuff |
| 22:12.09 | mr64bit | yes |
| 22:12.29 | JeffM | then you know that wings and blender are general mesh tools, not complete map making tools |
| 22:12.39 | JeffM | most people make simple maps by hand |
| 22:12.45 | JeffM | or use my lame editor |
| 22:13.07 | khonkhortisan | where's your lame editor? |
| 22:13.24 | mr64bit | I have done some really simple stuff by hand, and some simple stuff BZWorkbench |
| 22:13.27 | JeffM | on sourceforge |
| 22:14.26 | JeffM | you can model meshes in wings and save them as bzw objects |
| 22:14.31 | JeffM | then merge those into your maps by hand |
| 22:14.43 | JeffM | not sure if workbench supports meshes |
| 22:15.36 | mr64bit | I think it's supposed to, but I couldn't get it to work |
| 22:15.53 | JeffM | well it's very unfinished so "suposed to" is a hard thing to say for it |
| 22:20.04 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r117 10/trunk/unit0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): start Resource processing messages |
| 22:36.42 | kierra | optic hunter is looking for bait, delusional |
| 22:51.41 | Delusional | ok |
| 22:52.11 | Delusional | poclyps |
