| 00:00.01 | ducktape | oh alright |
| 00:00.05 | ducktape | haha thanks man! |
| 00:00.08 | ducktape | for everything |
| 00:00.20 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:00.25 | ts3d | recommend http://code.google.com/edu/ |
| 00:00.39 | JeffM | I think they are going to make me use java when I start the classes for my degree |
| 00:02.51 | ducktape | jeff, what did you decide about a Leagues link on the bz site? |
| 00:02.58 | JeffM | yeah there are lots of way to learn on the internet |
| 00:03.11 | JeffM | I still dont' think we should link to any league |
| 00:03.18 | ducktape | ive spent like 10 mins looking for the gu link. happen to know it? |
| 00:03.21 | JeffM | the gettinst started wiki page can link to some |
| 00:03.57 | ducktape | thats fine by me. just curious what the gu link is |
| 00:04.04 | ts3d | http://www.guleague.org/ |
| 00:04.05 | ts3d | this? |
| 00:04.11 | JeffM | same as every link in the world, www.google.com ;) |
| 00:04.17 | ducktape | hahaa |
| 00:04.41 | ducktape | of course i only looked on the bzsite jeff. |
| 00:05.13 | ducktape | thanks! |
| 00:06.17 | ducktape | alrighty, im off. later jeff |
| 00:06.21 | JeffM | have fun |
| 00:06.25 | ducktape | always |
| 00:06.39 | ducktape | you too. good luck with open combat! im excited |
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| 00:08.42 | ts3d | No help from ##OpenGL....no matter |
| 00:08.52 | JeffM | on what? |
| 00:10.01 | ts3d | Just front face stuff. Don't get why these triangles are facing one way instead of another. |
| 00:10.22 | JeffM | what is your winding set to ? |
| 00:10.26 | JeffM | the default is CCW IIRC |
| 00:11.02 | ts3d | Yup. If the front face the one seen from the origin? |
| 00:11.05 | ts3d | is* |
| 00:11.15 | JeffM | it's as seen from the eye point |
| 00:11.27 | JeffM | do you call glFrontFace ? |
| 00:11.39 | ts3d | Eye is always at the origin. |
| 00:11.48 | JeffM | then yes it would be from the orign |
| 00:11.59 | JeffM | do you have any camera transformations? |
| 00:12.03 | JeffM | or world space transformations? |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM | or just perspective and that's it? |
| 00:12.19 | ts3d | No, only a scale + persp |
| 00:12.28 | JeffM | scale.. eww |
| 00:12.31 | ts3d | This is gl 3.3, though |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM | still the same stuff |
| 00:12.41 | JeffM | fragments is fragments :) |
| 00:12.47 | ts3d | Yep |
| 00:13.00 | ts3d | No fixed function junk though |
| 00:13.01 | JeffM | so you have a perspective matrix, what are your points? |
| 00:13.20 | ts3d | I'm just drawing a unit cube which is scaled |
| 00:13.53 | JeffM | a CCW unit square in 2d would be 0,0 1,0 1,1, 1,0 |
| 00:14.08 | ts3d | 2d is no fun. :) |
| 00:14.25 | JeffM | so what are the numbers for one of the faces that is going the wrong way? |
| 00:14.45 | JeffM | and are you doing normals? or your own lighting? |
| 00:15.05 | ts3d | I think so. I was jsut confused as to how the front face is determined. The spec is bit mathy. |
| 00:15.16 | JeffM | not really |
| 00:15.26 | JeffM | it just walks the points from the eye |
| 00:15.34 | JeffM | if it's ccw it's show, if it's cw it's hidden |
| 00:15.50 | ts3d | Just this particular sectino of the spec. The rest is great |
| 00:16.08 | ts3d | Better than any book on gl i've read |
| 00:16.15 | JeffM | I tend to thnk of it where the front is CCW if viewed from the endpoint of the normal |
| 00:16.24 | JeffM | so back along it |
| 00:16.31 | JeffM | then your normal and winding match |
| 00:16.35 | JeffM | and you get what you expect |
| 00:16.55 | ts3d | Ah. That's a good way to think of it. |
| 00:17.21 | JeffM | the normal always points to the outside of a triangle since thats the side that will get light |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM | I got my unit boxes mixed up too when I was doing the voxel geometry |
| 00:22.08 | JeffM | thats why the current test map has one of each block type :) |
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| 00:24.24 | ts3d | Look back along the normal. That's going in my "don't forget this" file. |
| 00:25.25 | ts3d | Have you made any progress on unit0? Only caught the end of your convo with duck |
| 00:25.44 | JeffM | I am working on the server side now |
| 00:25.52 | JeffM | so I can ge the client to connect to it |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM | the simulation system seems to be handling player movment ok |
| 00:26.10 | ts3d | What's the architecture of it? |
| 00:26.25 | JeffM | of the server? |
| 00:26.29 | ts3d | Yes |
| 00:26.49 | JeffM | when it comes down to playing it's normal client/server |
| 00:27.08 | JeffM | there are 2 other services that manage what the individual game hosts actualy do |
| 00:27.17 | JeffM | but they are just for getting the client to the game the player wants |
| 00:27.50 | ts3d | Are you simulating at a fixed time step? |
| 00:27.57 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:28.07 | JeffM | and the client just sends input |
| 00:28.16 | JeffM | and handles a last known postion from the server |
| 00:28.24 | JeffM | so it works more like halflife then bzflag |
| 00:28.41 | JeffM | currently the client is simmulating like 250ms lag |
| 00:28.44 | JeffM | and runing fine |
| 00:29.21 | ts3d | That's what I'm trying to do with my little project too. |
| 00:29.29 | JeffM | it's not that hard to do |
| 00:29.41 | JeffM | just lots of list managment |
| 00:30.00 | ts3d | List management? What do you mean |
| 00:30.03 | JeffM | I keep a last known good positon and time and then just run the history from there to now every frame |
| 00:30.27 | JeffM | you have to keep a list of history states on the client to keep her at the right place while you wait for the confirmation |
| 00:30.54 | JeffM | and I made my class robust enough so that it can be used on the server too |
| 00:31.05 | ts3d | Once you get an good state from server you clear the lists? |
| 00:31.07 | JeffM | it'll get the input, update history there and verify the postions |
| 00:31.11 | JeffM | not all of it |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM | the state from the server was like 100ms ago |
| 00:31.25 | JeffM | so you've got a number of inputs AFTER that |
| 00:31.40 | JeffM | so you end up removing the history that was before the known good postion |
| 00:32.10 | JeffM | and you need to keep the movment vector that was in effect when the good time was accepted too |
| 00:32.12 | ts3d | So you're simulating multiple timestep per frame? Expensive no? |
| 00:32.22 | JeffM | dosn't seem to be |
| 00:32.30 | JeffM | I'm getting several thousand FPS |
| 00:32.43 | JeffM | it only has to do that for the one player |
| 00:32.45 | JeffM | not all players |
| 00:32.53 | JeffM | since I don't know the input for other players |
| 00:32.58 | ts3d | You could also keep the state from the last frame and vance it from there |
| 00:32.59 | JeffM | the rest are just dead reconed |
| 00:33.06 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:33.06 | ts3d | advance it* |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM | that's optimization |
| 00:33.22 | ts3d | :) |
| 00:33.23 | JeffM | you optimise AFTER it works |
| 00:33.28 | JeffM | or you will never finish |
| 00:33.58 | JeffM | I'm currently caching the postion at each history item, so it'd be easy to use those if performance became an issue |
| 00:34.31 | ts3d | Is this in the repo? |
| 00:34.35 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:35.13 | ts3d | I'll have to take a look at that. Currently trying to decicde how to store my state |
| 00:35.20 | JeffM | Game.GameState and Game.ControledActor do all the player sim stuff |
| 00:35.28 | JeffM | I just have a list of actors |
| 00:35.37 | JeffM | and they are all derived based on how they move |
| 00:35.57 | ts3d | Actors and entities, are they synonymous? |
| 00:36.02 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM | I prefer the term actor for things in simulation that DO things |
| 00:36.29 | ts3d | I've read some articles hard to know what they refer too at times |
| 00:36.33 | JeffM | entieis is very generic and can refer to anything, even a static map object |
| 00:36.33 | ts3d | to* |
| 00:36.47 | JeffM | my sim just tracks things that move |
| 00:36.50 | JeffM | so they are actors |
| 00:37.00 | JeffM | they act on the stage |
| 00:37.03 | JeffM | they come and go |
| 00:37.19 | JeffM | I do insert them into my octree for culling tho |
| 00:37.47 | ts3d | Ofcoure wouldn't have to have low fps with only 250 polys on the screen |
| 00:37.56 | ts3d | want to* |
| 00:38.09 | JeffM | if it's a test app, fps isn't a big deal |
| 00:38.27 | JeffM | I only went to vbos so I could make a class for em |
| 00:38.44 | JeffM | and that gets me like 2k fps in debug |
| 00:39.01 | JeffM | and most of the time it's vsynced |
| 00:39.28 | ts3d | What kind of integration are you doing? |
| 00:39.39 | JeffM | integration? |
| 00:39.49 | ts3d | physics |
| 00:39.54 | JeffM | none yet |
| 00:40.00 | JeffM | it'll be super simple when I get there |
| 00:40.06 | JeffM | bump, slide, and stop |
| 00:40.23 | JeffM | just treat the player like a cylinder and move em around the world |
| 00:40.31 | JeffM | I mean the world is a bunch of boxes :) |
| 00:40.54 | ts3d | ooo Python scripting |
| 00:40.54 | ts3d | I like |
| 00:41.10 | JeffM | it was the only scripting system that was not ruby that fit my needs |
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| 00:42.08 | JeffM | I would have prefered lua or javascript |
| 00:42.20 | JeffM | but allas they would make patching harder |
| 00:43.17 | spldart | *wiggle* uber content |
| 00:45.19 | JeffM | I am rather proud of the input system, it's easy to use and should let people configure it however they want |
| 00:49.12 | ts3d | What's the Hail message do? |
| 00:49.29 | JeffM | makes sure the proto is right |
| 00:49.45 | JeffM | and tells the server it's ok to send the UID and PID |
| 00:50.02 | JeffM | it'll also be how the client sends it's connection token that it got from the manager to the game instance |
| 00:50.44 | JeffM | the tokens are gotten over SSL by the client and the manager |
| 00:50.51 | ts3d | No token, no play? |
| 00:52.47 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:52.57 | JeffM | the system is designed around required registration |
| 00:53.03 | JeffM | but it will let you play before you verify your email |
| 00:53.09 | JeffM | just on a limited set of servers |
| 00:53.17 | JeffM | so you can register on first startup |
| 00:53.23 | JeffM | it may allow guests too |
| 00:53.27 | JeffM | but I haven't decied yet |
| 00:53.41 | JeffM | they'd be given a temporary username and session token |
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| 01:00.48 | ts3d | I thought I had this unit cube stripped right. Ugh |
| 01:10.21 | ts3d | There we go. Primitive Restart + Stripes = Fun |
| 01:13.24 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r110 10/trunk/unit0/client/ (5 files): break the game specific stuff out of MainWindow and put it into ClientGame so that it can get input from the network instead of hardcoding it all. |
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| 03:51.33 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501 * r111 10/trunk/unit0/ (20 files in 7 dirs): |
| 03:51.34 | CIA-104 | opencombat: split up the client game so it can be managed easier. |
| 03:51.34 | CIA-104 | opencombat: get hud ready for connection statuses. |
| 03:51.34 | CIA-104 | opencombat: init the avatar list from a script, TODO load the meshes and skins into geometry. |
| 04:09.48 | ts3d | My sky box is reversed, woe is me. |
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| 12:58.06 | spldart | Well that didn't take long. Joined the only FFA server on the first page of the list and played for about 4 minutes. Had the ST flag and noone else was very good. After several kills and no losses I got accused of cheating and everyone left :( |
| 12:59.43 | brlcad | that's what you get for cheating ;) |
| 13:00.43 | spldart | One dude was firing rockets everywhere from up on a block and none would lock. |
| 13:00.49 | spldart | It was funny |
| 13:13.41 | spldart | Yep. Joined a top server and got pwned badly. I'm so rusty. Sry.. I'll shaddup now in bz dev channel ;) |
| 13:53.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 14:21.08 | kierra | hugs brlcad |
| 15:45.06 | brlcad | hugs kierra |
| 15:45.49 | kierra | you dear heart!!!!! long time no see/chat. Hope all is well |
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