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| 01:35.15 | BryanBentz | Anyone here do image submission approval? I have a new map that needs a few submitted images approved. |
| 01:35.52 | BryanBentz | (I've just reinstalled my IRC client - it's using my realname; BZFlag name is The Purple Panzer) |
| 01:36.08 | a_meteorite | blast007: ping ^ |
| 01:36.11 | joevano | BryanBentz: i do.. im on it |
| 01:36.20 | a_meteorite | or joevano then :) |
| 01:36.34 | BryanBentz | thx |
| 01:37.10 | joevano | BryanBentz: fiber will turned up on or before April 27th... 50Mb connection here we come |
| 01:37.18 | BryanBentz | This client UI has changed so much I feel like slapping my monitor. |
| 01:37.24 | BryanBentz | Oh, very nice news. |
| 01:38.56 | joevano | yep, backups wont cause your maps to go nr then |
| 01:40.58 | joevano | BryanBentz: all approved |
| 01:41.12 | joevano | ahs3-: yours is approved as well ;-) |
| 01:41.52 | ahs3- | ah thanks thanks joevano |
| 01:47.26 | BryanBentz | joevano, just sent you an email about maybe doing some dev stuff in the acoustics area. Got to run to get a kid to bed. |
| 01:47.54 | BryanBentz | And thanks on the images; just got back to this unfamiliar client. |
| 01:49.53 | BryanBentz | (The map that needed them I just started serving up; I've found before if I've visited a server and the images aren't available, I can't get them unless I clear cache. I'm ok with that, but many people just don't know it, so this is great.) |
| 01:54.39 | I_Died_Once | if i save a map with my bz client, does it keep and preserve things like spawn zones for tanks and flags? |
| 02:01.35 | joevano | I_Died_Once: i do not believe it saves zones, definatelly no flag info is saved |
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| 07:29.13 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22402 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: If -publicaddr specify only the port, add the external ip (if -UPnP) |
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| 08:34.12 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22404 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/FlagInfo.cxx: |
| 08:34.12 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Clamp the number of flags at 100000 if there are any more than that, not just if there are a huge number more than that. |
| 08:34.12 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Fix a typo in a comment. |
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| 22:58.00 | JeffM | wow, we have over a month of data on the graph now |
| 23:01.33 | I_Died_Once | which graph? |
| 23:01.40 | I_Died_Once | http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/stats/ hasnt been updated since feb 18th |
| 23:01.42 | JeffM | http://quol.bzflag.net/ |
| 23:01.56 | JeffM | yeah I stoped cus quol has the newer site based on it |
| 23:02.44 | JeffM | I wonder if he can add "average rank" to the servers based on player count |
| 23:03.13 | I_Died_Once | nice |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM | small downward trend in max players |
| 23:03.36 | JeffM | but very small, may not be anything real |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM | there is not a similar trend in number of servers with games, but that's hard to say since 1 server usualy is about 10% |
| 23:05.33 | I_Died_Once | yup |
| 23:05.57 | JeffM | there have never been more then 18 servers with games it seems |
| 23:06.38 | I_Died_Once | anything i can do to provide any more helpful data or whatever |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM | more data from a single server won't do much to the overall spread |
| 23:07.18 | JeffM | the site and tracking is giving me the info I was curious about |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM | with less then 20 active games at a time, I think that my hub/instance mechanism would be fine for communities this size |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM | I'm just not sure how well it would scale |
| 23:08.52 | JeffM | better networking and larger worlds could lower the instance count if more people played in larger games |
| 23:09.10 | JeffM | cus to me it seems like your server is almost like the lobby I describe |
| 23:09.21 | JeffM | a place where people go to play untill they go do something else |
| 23:09.28 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 23:09.46 | JeffM | how high is your turnover? |
| 23:09.52 | I_Died_Once | its where the party is |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM | as in how often do people connect and dissconnect? |
| 23:10.07 | JeffM | yeah it's a party, where you go when you are just screwin around |
| 23:10.21 | JeffM | if there is a match or anythig more serious, they leave mofo, go do it, then come back |
| 23:10.24 | I_Died_Once | well, pardon the expression, but aside form the score whore, people mainly stay for a while when they come |
| 23:10.35 | I_Died_Once | yeah, always something going on it seems |
| 23:10.37 | JeffM | do you have any hard data on that? |
| 23:10.46 | I_Died_Once | i got my log |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM | like joins and parts per hour? |
| 23:11.10 | JeffM | I'd like to know your average play time for a single player, as well as how many people join and leave in an hour |
| 23:11.33 | I_Died_Once | well i would pastebin my log but its a bit too large for that |
| 23:11.50 | JeffM | is it always the same 35 people playing or is it just a 35 person snapshot of a stream if people going in and out |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM | yeah I would want you to do some data mining on it first :) |
| 23:12.13 | blast007 | that'd be a bit easier to determine with the output from logDetail. not sure if the normal bzfs logs give enough good information to (easily) parse it |
| 23:12.23 | JeffM | probably |
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| 23:15.13 | I_Died_Once | i got a 61 meg log from the apocalypse in action |
| 23:15.33 | I_Died_Once | want me to 'scp' it your way, jeff? |
| 23:15.43 | JeffM | no |
| 23:15.48 | JeffM | I do not have tools to mine the data |
| 23:15.57 | blast007 | it's unlikely to be useful without a good bit of effort |
| 23:15.59 | JeffM | I just want the answers :) |
| 23:16.02 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:16.17 | blast007 | the bzfs log output wasn't designed to be parsed |
| 23:16.27 | JeffM | as a whole the network as several joins/parts every 5 min |
| 23:16.33 | JeffM | the player count is never flat |
| 23:16.38 | I_Died_Once | well its there and available should anyone need the info |
| 23:16.46 | I_Died_Once | and we have the logdetail plugin loaded |
| 23:17.35 | I_Died_Once | for some reason that reminds me, i might want to write up a privacy policy: |
| 23:18.15 | JeffM | remember, sell to the highest bidder |
| 23:18.21 | I_Died_Once | anything you say or do on this server and all info related becomes ours to do with as we please |
| 23:18.40 | I_Died_Once | ...thank you for playing at Planet MoFo! |
| 23:18.51 | JeffM | I would say just that the info is logged and the logs are made public |
| 23:19.07 | JeffM | you don't want to get into the rats nest of trying to own the comments of your players |
| 23:19.23 | JeffM | you can also say "may be used for promotional reasons" |
| 23:19.29 | trepan | imagines that xz would eat most of that 61M - low entropy |
| 23:19.37 | I_Died_Once | heh |
| 23:20.13 | JeffM | there are legal issues to saying you own user comments |
| 23:20.41 | JeffM | such as if someone types in some hate speach, or child porn type stuff, then you own that and have published it :) |
| 23:21.04 | JeffM | you'll notice most sites that do comments say that the site is not responsible for user comments and the comments are owned by the poster. |
| 23:21.10 | I_Died_Once | anything you say can and will be used against you |
| 23:21.22 | JeffM | possibly |
| 23:21.27 | JeffM | that's a different set of laws |
| 23:21.41 | JeffM | where law enforcement may ask for your logs |
| 23:22.11 | JeffM | cus your ISP will sure as hell give them a dump of the machine if the FBI asks |
| 23:22.13 | I_Died_Once | invokes his fifth amendment right |
| 23:22.30 | JeffM | sadly that does not work for propery |
| 23:22.52 | I_Died_Once | if the FBI comes knocking at my door, i'm selling all you guys out |
| 23:23.00 | JeffM | the data on your machine is evedence not your interogation |
| 23:23.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:23.12 | JeffM | they will go to your ISP with a warrant first |
| 23:23.17 | JeffM | THEN come to your door |
| 23:23.43 | I_Died_Once | "some guy that goes by the alias 'JeffM2501' put me up to it, linked me to a how-to and everything" |
| 23:24.04 | JeffM | they would get the logs from tim |
| 23:24.10 | JeffM | hence our log message in the title |
| 23:24.33 | JeffM | but it's ok, you'd be a terrorist and not have any rights anyway |
| 23:24.51 | JeffM | at least not untill we sign a peace treaty with the prime minister of the terrorists |
| 23:25.03 | I_Died_Once | noww, heres a legit question, then - how many bzflag servers have ever caused or resulted in (however you wanna word that) in a phone call to the police? |
| 23:25.13 | JeffM | we don't know |
| 23:25.27 | I_Died_Once | any? |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM | they would not notify us |
| 23:25.52 | JeffM | go ask the mozilla project how many websites have gotten a DMCA takedown noice |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM | they don't know |
| 23:25.59 | JeffM | they just make the software |
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| 23:27.21 | JeffM | I love how I said that when ibot wasn't logging :) |
| 23:30.34 | trepan | just looked at that stats page, dygraph looks pretty good |
| 23:30.50 | I_Died_Once | i can see it now, my house gets surrounded by FBI agents, i throw open the door and shout "THANK GOD YOU'RE HERE!" |
| 23:31.00 | JeffM | yeah quol did a fine job on the site |
| 23:31.34 | trepan | with the exception of the "Golbal" typo :) |
| 23:31.35 | JeffM | the dynamic graphs make it easy to drill into the data and see trends |
| 23:31.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:31.45 | JeffM | that is probalby me |
| 23:33.38 | I_Died_Once | yeah, the graph pretty much reflects what i noticed - the game being dead usually between 4 and 6am EST |
| 23:34.13 | JeffM | one day it got down to 0 |
| 23:35.45 | I_Died_Once | yeah i wanna pull some decent data together and go pull for a corporate sponsor for the server |
| 23:36.26 | JeffM | seriously? |
| 23:36.33 | trepan | you figure they're up for grabs after Rush's fiasco? |
| 23:37.30 | I_Died_Once | get a certified letter sent and have a commercially lisenced image hosted on images.bzflag.org - "Planet MoFo has been brought to you by: Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat!" |
| 23:38.03 | I_Died_Once | "...and by the letters F, U, and the number 6" |
| 23:38.12 | JeffM | riiiiiggghhhhtttt |
| 23:39.44 | trepan | people always forget the 9 |
| 23:39.55 | I_Died_Once | 512x256 image of a trolley |