| 00:00.17 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7619 10/w/Category:Development: |
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| 00:11.56 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7620 10/w/Category:Development: |
| 00:22.24 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21393 10/tags/v2_99archive/: give v3 trunk a place to live while we pick it apart and put it's guts |
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| 00:24.09 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21394 10/branches/ (v1_10/ v1_10branch/): take the word 'branch' out of the maint branches, we know what folder we are in |
| 00:32.20 | JeffM2501 | hmmmm probably should have cleaned out my trunk dir before I svn moved it :) |
| 00:33.00 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:39.24 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21395 10/ (tags/v2_99archive/bzflag/ trunk/bzflag/): move trunk to v2_99archive tag so it can be replaced with the 2.0.x branch to become 2.3 |
| 00:41.48 | JeffM2501 | there, NOW I deleted bzflag ;) |
| 00:43.49 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7621 10/w/Category:Development: note versions and locations in svn |
| 00:44.20 | Erroneous | hmm...how do I tell svn that my working copy is now a different branch than it was? I have uncommitted changes on trunk. |
| 00:44.53 | JeffM2501 | i know how to do it in tort |
| 00:45.03 | JeffM2501 | relocate |
| 00:45.05 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 00:45.18 | JeffM2501 | there is also switch but that takes you to a different host |
| 00:45.28 | JeffM2501 | or I may have those backwards |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | whatever one Jer didn't tell you to do with the gibbs svn stuff when he changed the URL |
| 00:46.35 | Erroneous | "svn switch", apparently |
| 00:46.40 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:46.51 | JeffM2501 | then relocate is for the host |
| 00:46.56 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 00:46.58 | JeffM2501 | makes sense, you have to get a truck to relocate |
| 00:47.02 | Erroneous | haha |
| 00:47.17 | Erroneous | b...b...but the internet is like a series of tubes, not a truck! |
| 00:47.57 | JeffM2501 | packets are not a fluid |
| 01:07.19 | Foo_man_choo | So... Intarwebs.... water can flow.. and water can crash.. Be like water my friend iintarwebs.... |
| 01:08.05 | JeffM2501 | packets are fixed sizes, they arn't maiable, break one up and it's not a packet ; |
| 01:11.33 | JeffM2501 | ok yeah there is a big list of stuff missing props.. cus I can't check in untill they are fixed :) |
| 01:12.10 | Erroneous | hah |
| 01:12.54 | JeffM2501 | at least I'll get a list |
| 01:14.33 | Thumper_ | Water is just little itty bitty packets (molecules) too and it flows just fine :-P |
| 01:14.59 | Foo_man_choo | heh |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM2501 | tcp can't go out of order ;) |
| 01:16.12 | Foo_man_choo | Put packets in the router and it becomes the router, push packets through the node and it becomes the node... gah.. sry.. I'm in a silly mood |
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| 01:26.55 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21396 10/trunk/bzflag/ (397 files in 13 dirs): snap off a copy of v2_0branch to be the new mainline. |
| 01:27.23 | JeffM2501 | yay, we have a game again |
| 01:32.01 | Foo_man_choo | Be still my beating heart ;) |
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| 01:32.38 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21397 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/version.h src/date/buildDate.cxx): make it be called 2.3.0 with a proto of 0027 |
| 01:33.03 | JeffM2501 | now get the rest of that list fleshed filled out with assignments |
| 01:35.07 | mdskpr | I believe rabbit is a proper team in bzflag2....at least it is defined as one in team.ccxx |
| 01:35.20 | JeffM2501 | is it in the team enums? |
| 01:35.43 | blast007 | hmm, if that's the case, maybe it was the hunter that was made a proper team in v3? |
| 01:35.51 | JeffM2501 | that may be |
| 01:35.58 | blast007 | greps |
| 01:35.59 | JeffM2501 | what are the teams in the enums? |
| 01:36.43 | mdskpr | in team.cxx there are no enums |
| 01:36.50 | blast007 | yeah, in trunk, there's a hunter team, but not in 2.0.x |
| 01:37.13 | blast007 | mdskpr: it's include/global.h that has the enum |
| 01:37.19 | Foo_man_choo | It would be something if I had to get all my deb 5.0 rigs up to 6.0 and get all my dependencies sorted for serious testing again. /me hopes for to much |
| 01:38.12 | Foo_man_choo | Hunter team..... Rabbit could potential have multiple hunters in 3 if 3 ever did release? |
| 01:38.48 | mdskpr | it already has multiple hunters..... |
| 01:38.50 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: yeah, uh, make sure to back up all your files and offer a goat as sacrifice before the 5->6 upgrade |
| 01:39.03 | JeffM2501 | mdskpr, its in a header |
| 01:39.07 | JeffM2501 | search for blue ;) |
| 01:39.21 | mdskpr | i found it! |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM2501 | ctrl+shift+f FTW! |
| 01:39.48 | mdskpr | uh...vi.... |
| 01:39.53 | blast007 | that, or, like, reading what I said ;) cuz I gave him the path |
| 01:40.27 | Foo_man_choo | lmao... My work station is up but and one home rig is up but my main machines are still 5. /me thinks of a cool map with perhaps a plugin where you have one rabbit (yes I meant to say rabbit) with one to 4 hunters and 2 rabbits with 5 to 8 hunters, etc etc |
| 01:41.02 | JeffM2501 | not my fault your tool isn't awesome then ;) |
| 01:41.33 | Foo_man_choo | ugh |
| 01:41.45 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: that was a response to mdskpr |
| 01:41.56 | Foo_man_choo | it sounded bad nonetheless |
| 01:42.01 | Foo_man_choo | ;) |
| 01:42.17 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: proto should skip over what we've already used for dev |
| 01:42.24 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: in any case, v3 could probably have had multiple rabbits, since it offered a "change team" message |
| 01:42.25 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:42.32 | Erroneous | I'd actually go further and use like 200 or something |
| 01:42.35 | Foo_man_choo | ah |
| 01:42.40 | JeffM2501 | kk |
| 01:42.45 | blast007 | BZFS1337 |
| 01:42.49 | Erroneous | haha |
| 01:42.51 | Foo_man_choo | lol |
| 01:43.07 | delusional | I'm waiting to see if trepan's commits will be coming along for the ride, because things like "the text object" and multi-option teleporters have me salivating. |
| 01:43.16 | Erroneous | text object won't |
| 01:43.19 | Erroneous | tele changes probably will |
| 01:43.21 | delusional | bummed |
| 01:43.22 | Erroneous | might do them |
| 01:43.33 | Erroneous | text object requires new font system, which is not coming along |
| 01:43.43 | delusional | ok |
| 01:44.05 | mdskpr | i thought there was an option to use the already in place font system with the text |
| 01:44.09 | JeffM2501 | tele changes should NOT |
| 01:44.18 | JeffM2501 | they break flag zones on drop |
| 01:44.22 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 01:44.33 | Erroneous | why? |
| 01:44.35 | JeffM2501 | cus flags now properly interact witht them |
| 01:44.35 | delusional | argh |
| 01:44.38 | Erroneous | ah |
| 01:44.55 | JeffM2501 | people are using a bug now to cause a flag to be zaped back to the origin |
| 01:45.09 | JeffM2501 | I wrote a spec on what we can do to make it a real feature |
| 01:45.12 | Erroneous | that's not related to the targeting change though, I don't think |
| 01:45.27 | JeffM2501 | no it's just related to the changes to the teleporter geometry |
| 01:45.31 | Erroneous | it's related to the "they're real meshes" change |
| 01:45.34 | JeffM2501 | and how they collide |
| 01:45.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:45.52 | JeffM2501 | changes to links and the port process should not be a problem |
| 01:46.05 | Erroneous | that's the part delusional was talking about, I think |
| 01:46.26 | Erroneous | though I would have pulled both parts if you'd not said anything :) |
| 01:47.08 | Erroneous | enhomes |
| 02:01.51 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21398 10/branches/ (398 files in 15 dirs): take the word 'branch' out of the maint branches, we know what folder we are in |
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| 03:01.26 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21399 10/branches/ (6 files in 6 dirs): move release maint branches to there own dir. |
| 03:02.08 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21400 10/trunk/bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: proto to 200 for "breathing room" |
| 03:06.29 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21401 10/branches/BRANCHES.txt: notes on what the various branch dirs contain |
| 03:07.11 | JeffM2501 | there ya go TimRiker that should make the branches dir a little easier to understand |
| 03:09.39 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21402 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ (. Makefile.am ares/ curl/ glew/ regex/ zlib/): add src/other and libs needed by bz from 2.99 |
| 03:10.58 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21403 10/trunk/bzflag/win32/ (Makefile.am VC71/): remove vc71 support |
| 03:11.20 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21404 10/trunk/bzflag/win32/VC9/ (installer.vcproj makehtml.vcproj): project upgrades |
| 03:13.04 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21405 10/trunk/bzflag/win32/ (Makefile.am VC9/ build/): rename VC9 to build since only one compiler is supported |
| 03:26.47 | JeffM2501 | so who wants to hook up the make system from 2.99 to 2.3 :) |
| 03:28.27 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7622 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ I added it, it was a bad idea, I'll remove it |
| 03:29.02 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7623 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ kill the wabbit |
| 03:30.40 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7624 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Schedule */ what's done is done |
| 03:33.09 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21406 10/trunk/bzflag/ (MSVC/ Makefile.am configure.ac win32/): win32 is not a good term, MSVC is the platform that the build system is for |
| 03:33.49 | a_meteor | My eyes do not believe the activity |
| 03:38.25 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21407 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (ares_build.h curl/ libcurl.vcproj regex.vcproj zlib.vcproj): update project files with data from 2.99 |
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| 04:07.32 | JeffM2501 | yay, the server lives! |
| 04:27.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh the joy of removing configurations |
| 04:27.35 | JeffM2501 | ./$(InputName)_$(PlatformName)_$(ConfigurationName) FTW! |
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| 04:53.48 | JeffM2501 | oh kerbos... I thought I had seen the last of you |
| 04:54.09 | JeffM2501 | but here we are again... |
| 05:10.20 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21408 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (22 files): |
| 05:10.20 | CIA-116 | bzflag: remove unused configurations. |
| 05:10.20 | CIA-116 | bzflag: set projects to use predefined folders based on target and configuration. |
| 05:41.03 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21409 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (21 files): use project names for output dirs |
| 05:58.47 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21410 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 2 dirs): properly build and link curl |
| 06:03.43 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21411 10/trunk/bzflag/Makefile.am: undo an accidental blowout of the makefile |
| 06:06.41 | JeffM2501 | that's enough of that for one day then |
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| 06:53.09 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03bullet_catcher * r21412 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:53.09 | CIA-116 | bzflag: Update the list of places where the version number may need changing. |
| 06:53.09 | CIA-116 | bzflag: Change the version number to 2.3.0 in the other places that need it. |
| 07:02.06 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03213.9.108.240 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7625 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ |
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| 08:10.46 | ruskie | 2.3 ???? |
| 08:13.46 | ruskie | nice |
| 08:19.36 | BulletCatcher | I just started a Ducati-style 2.3 server at BRL.ARPA.NET:15157. |
| 08:19.40 | BulletCatcher | I can connect directly, but it doesn't show up in the server list. |
| 08:21.16 | BulletCatcher | The logs show that it thinks it is public. |
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| 09:14.33 | Constitution | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 09:14.40 | Constitution | ~JeffM++ |
| 09:14.57 | Constitution | durn multiple callsigns |
| 09:19.53 | eTangenT | punches Constitution |
| 10:37.30 | Constitution | eTangenT: gonna make some sounds for me? :) |
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| 11:23.47 | Constitution | hm |
| 11:23.57 | Constitution | josh@victoria:~/Documents/Development/bzflag/v2_3$ time make -j8 > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 11:23.57 | Constitution | real1m7.125s |
| 11:24.25 | a_meteorite | Nice. Specs? |
| 11:24.49 | Constitution | quad-core i7 2.3 |
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| 12:36.33 | mdskpr | i wish.... real=6m17.024s |
| 13:03.44 | Thumper_ | Are we planning to move the -publickey server setting from 2.99 to 2.3? |
| 13:04.31 | blast007 | oo, good question |
| 13:05.37 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7626 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: |
| 13:10.55 | Thumper_ | blast007: did your last wiki edit clobber a bunch of changes you didn't intend? |
| 13:11.11 | blast007 | checks |
| 13:11.38 | blast007 | bleh, what the.. |
| 13:12.07 | blast007 | no idea how I managed to do that |
| 13:12.15 | Thumper_ | old cached copy maybe? |
| 13:12.28 | blast007 | probably |
| 13:12.46 | blast007 | though I haven't accessed the edit page from this system... |
| 13:13.00 | Thumper_ | strange |
| 13:13.01 | blast007 | I definately had cache issues when I was editing it from links on my server |
| 13:13.49 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7627 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Blast|Blast]] ([[User talk:Blast|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:213.9.108.240|213.9.108.240]] |
| 13:14.06 | blast007 | take 2! action! |
| 13:14.11 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 13:14.48 | blast007 | we'll just go with user error - I was probably looking at an old revision and hit the Edit tab on THAT one assuming it would edit the latest page |
| 13:14.58 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 13:15.19 | Thumper_ | I'm glad I decided to peek at what was 'new' in your edit :) |
| 13:16.05 | blast007 | would having the names in bold be better? the italic doesn't really seem to "jump out" as I browsing the list |
| 13:16.48 | Thumper_ | I don't care -- I know what I volunteered for ;) |
| 13:17.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:18.18 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7628 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ There, let's see if I did it right that time. |
| 13:18.46 | blast007 | what the heck |
| 13:19.11 | blast007 | oh wait, I compared my bad revision :P I did do it right |
| 13:19.21 | blast007 | thank god it's Friday ..... |
| 13:19.32 | blast007 | It seems I'm ready for the weekend |
| 13:19.57 | Thumper_ | looks good to me :) |
| 13:20.22 | Thumper_ | yeah ... you're moving the servers this weekend right... :) take a deep breath first |
| 13:20.32 | Thumper_ | s/servers/services/ |
| 13:20.49 | Thumper_ | because so far this doesn't bode well :) |
| 13:22.22 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7629 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ Be Bold!! |
| 13:22.46 | blast007 | we'll see about the moving |
| 13:23.20 | Thumper_ | you missed one |
| 13:23.26 | blast007 | blah |
| 13:23.33 | blast007 | openffa? |
| 13:23.40 | Thumper_ | yes |
| 13:24.05 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7630 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ Be Bolder!! |
| 13:24.12 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 13:25.57 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Thumper 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7631 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ |
| 13:28.15 | Thumper_ | What's 'Map Changes' under to evaluate? Is this the flagbuffet map (and others) or is it something else |
| 13:28.59 | Thumper_ | one of my 2.99 test servers won't start because flagbuffet.bzw is missing is 2.3 (so far) |
| 13:29.08 | Thumper_ | and I commented out the -publickey lines |
| 13:29.19 | blast007 | all of the various BZW format enhancements like mesh teleporters, bzdb-controllable values for stuff like color, etc |
| 13:29.25 | mdskpr | I think it is stuff like adding teleporters on the sides of meshes...and ricochet values per object |
| 13:29.41 | Thumper_ | so bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 and 10001 should be up - but they requireidentify so you get kicked right away until the list and auth works |
| 13:29.58 | Thumper_ | ok thx |
| 13:31.46 | mdskpr | auth works...on norang's bzflag 3 mw server |
| 13:31.48 | Thumper_ | oooh I broke it :) --> Segmentation fault (core dumped) ~ |
| 13:32.45 | Thumper_ | heh I can do that in 2.0.x too |
| 13:32.57 | Thumper_ | when the server list is empty (ie finding servers) Alt - bobms |
| 13:32.59 | Thumper_ | bombs8 |
| 13:33.00 | Thumper_ | *( |
| 13:33.04 | Thumper_ | goes for coffee |
| 13:33.29 | blast007 | looks like you're ready for the weekend too ;) |
| 13:35.01 | Thumper_ | is before coffee. this is normal every day |
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| 13:35.30 | blast007 | hehe |
| 13:36.08 | gnu-sense | hi everyone |
| 13:37.12 | Thumper_ | mdskpr: that's not a 2.3 server |
| 13:57.51 | gnu-sense | can anyone help with a snow leopard compile? |
| 13:58.26 | blast007 | what's the problem? |
| 13:58.28 | gnu-sense | i mainly want to get bzfs and bzadmin to compile |
| 13:58.35 | blast007 | ~ask |
| 13:58.35 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 13:58.44 | gnu-sense | four errors. I can bring them up in a sec |
| 14:01.07 | gnu-sense | Okay very first error: |
| 14:01.08 | gnu-sense | PBXCp build/Development/BZFlag.app/Contents/MacOS/bzadmin src/bzadmin/bzadmin |
| 14:01.09 | gnu-sense | cd /Volumes/Metal/Projects++/svn-110512/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
| 14:01.09 | gnu-sense | pbxcp: bzadmin: No such file or directory |
| 14:01.36 | gnu-sense | that didn't format as I expected |
| 14:03.36 | gnu-sense | This is a v2_0branch compile. I got further with the trunk (fwiw; it actually built binaries) |
| 14:05.03 | gnu-sense | Also, it's been a loooong time since I did this; I'm trying to recover some old work |
| 14:05.15 | blast007 | that's not a build error then |
| 14:05.42 | blast007 | try running bzadmin from where you compiled it |
| 14:05.54 | gnu-sense | I figure I'm missing some essential component, but I am not sure how to diagnose it |
| 14:06.40 | gnu-sense | SDL framework is there; I was unsure what, if anything needed to be done with the dev part of that |
| 14:06.51 | blast007 | bzadmin doesn't use SDL |
| 14:06.56 | blast007 | did you try what I said? |
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| 14:07.39 | gnu-sense | there's no binary, so it can't be run from there. |
| 14:08.03 | blast007 | are you building with xcode? |
| 14:08.09 | gnu-sense | in the trunk build I do get a binary, and I can run it (but there is nothing I can connect it w/) |
| 14:08.11 | gnu-sense | nyes |
| 14:08.14 | blast007 | okay, don't do that. build from the terminal. |
| 14:08.21 | gnu-sense | heh. bzchat error |
| 14:08.22 | blast007 | then maybe we'll get real errors |
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| 14:08.29 | gnu-sense | k |
| 14:09.01 | blast007 | the above just sounds like xcode is complaining that it can't copy the binary into the .app, since it doesn't exist - it's not giving WHY bzadmin doesn't exist |
| 14:09.38 | blast007 | and essentially, the xcode project just calls the command line stuff anyway (afaik, we really only use Xcode to package up the .app) |
| 14:10.29 | gnu-sense | yeah. I kinda got that |
| 14:10.51 | gnu-sense | so just make, with no parameters? |
| 14:11.25 | blast007 | if it's already been ./configure'd, yeah |
| 14:11.49 | gnu-sense | here's what I get: |
| 14:11.51 | gnu-sense | $ make |
| 14:11.51 | gnu-sense | g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../include -DINSTALL_LIB_DIR=\"/usr/local/lib/bzflag/\" -DINSTALL_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/local/share/bzflag\" -DBUILDING_BZADMIN -I../../src/bzflag -fsigned-char -Wno-deprecated -g -O2 -pipe -pedantic -fno-exceptions -W -Wall -Wundef -Wno-import -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -arch ppc -arch i386 -O0 -MT BZAdminClient.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/BZAdminClient.Tpo -c -o BZAdminClient.o |
| 14:11.52 | gnu-sense | BZAdminClient.cxx |
| 14:11.52 | gnu-sense | g++-4.2: -E, -S, -save-temps and -M options are not allowed with multiple -arch flags |
| 14:11.52 | gnu-sense | make: *** [BZAdminClient.o] Error 1 |
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| 14:12.11 | gnu-sense | maybe an autoconfig error |
| 14:12.15 | blast007 | which code version is this? |
| 14:12.25 | gnu-sense | v2_0branch |
| 14:12.44 | gnu-sense | I could try a different one |
| 14:12.46 | blast007 | run ./autogen.sh and ./configure (with whatever options you want) |
| 14:12.57 | blast007 | and then 'make clean' and 'make' |
| 14:13.26 | blast007 | or if you're on a dual-core, you could do: make -j3 |
| 14:14.03 | blast007 | passing --disable-client to ./configure will skip the graphical client if you don't need that |
| 14:14.49 | blast007 | oh, and --enable-shared if you want plugins |
| 14:14.54 | gnu-sense | i was just doing this from inside the bzadmin directory. it's a recursive make, so that has worked in the past |
| 14:15.01 | gnu-sense | okay lemme see |
| 14:15.50 | gnu-sense | the relevant thing now seems to be this: gcc-4.2: -E, -S, -save-temps and -M options are not allowed with multiple -arch flags |
| 14:16.16 | gnu-sense | so it's getting some kinda borked configuration info |
| 14:16.27 | blast007 | it appears to be trying to do a unibin |
| 14:16.34 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.48 | blast007 | trying to see which of the others are actually in that line.. |
| 14:19.58 | blast007 | only ones I see could be the ones starting with -M, but I'm not sure if they're the -M that the error is talking about - not familar with the g++ flags |
| 14:20.51 | gnu-sense | I'm trying ./configure --disable-client atm |
| 14:21.29 | gnu-sense | so this is what it says it will build: |
| 14:21.36 | blast007 | "-MD is equivalent to -M -MF file, except that -E is not implied" |
| 14:21.37 | gnu-sense | CFLAGS are -g -O2 -pipe -pedantic -fno-exceptions -W -Wall -Wundef -Wno-import -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -fno-exceptions |
| 14:21.37 | gnu-sense | CXXFLAGS are -g -O2 -pipe -pedantic -fno-exceptions -W -Wall -Wundef -Wno-import -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -fno-exceptions |
| 14:21.38 | gnu-sense | LDFLAGS are -framework SDL -Wl,-search_paths_first -mdynamic-no-pic |
| 14:21.38 | gnu-sense | LIBS are -lm -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL |
| 14:21.38 | gnu-sense | BZFlag-2.0.17.20110513 with the following: |
| 14:21.39 | gnu-sense | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.39 | gnu-sense | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.39 | gnu-sense | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.39 | gnu-sense | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.23 | blast007 | k, try a make clean and then a make |
| 14:22.49 | gnu-sense | hmm. didn't make clean. let's see what happens |
| 14:23.59 | gnu-sense | it was 2007 I was last working on this! (or Mar-Feb 2008. I can't believe it) |
| 14:24.53 | gnu-sense | seems to have ended without errors |
| 14:25.07 | blast007 | try ./src/bzadmin/bzadmin |
| 14:27.15 | gnu-sense | seems to be working. Okay so that much solved. |
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| 14:27.32 | gnu-sense | I should check the server binary too |
| 14:28.19 | gnu-sense | thx for help blast; I'll save the chat log just in case i need to do this again |
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| 15:28.15 | BulletCatcher | "Missing or invalid server authentication key" is the error message when my 2.3 server announces itself to global. |
| 15:28.23 | Thumper_ | ditto |
| 15:29.05 | BulletCatcher | I am searching for the relevant PHP file. |
| 15:29.45 | Thumper_ | db/bzfls.php: |
| 15:29.52 | Thumper_ | line 737 |
| 15:29.59 | blast007 | ah, yeah |
| 15:30.07 | Thumper_ | BulletCatcher: ^^ |
| 15:30.13 | blast007 | we had a hard-code list of versions that didn't need keys |
| 15:30.17 | blast007 | hard-coded* |
| 15:30.48 | blast007 | I should probably just comment out that check until we decide if we want that in 2.3 |
| 15:30.57 | BulletCatcher | That would be easiest. |
| 15:31.13 | Thumper_ | that's realted to -publickey in bzfs right? I would vote to take it out until we decide what to do with that |
| 15:31.33 | Thumper_ | I added to that to the To Evaluate section earlier |
| 15:31.59 | BulletCatcher | The complete fix is require server auth only for the specific 2.99.x versions where it is implemented. |
| 15:32.30 | blast007 | Thumper_: there, try now |
| 15:32.56 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: well, it doesn't matter too much |
| 15:33.16 | blast007 | not like we're really gonna care if someone runs a 2.99.x server right now without a key :) |
| 15:34.11 | BulletCatcher | The server is happier now. |
| 15:35.41 | BulletCatcher | List server and authentication both work. Yay. |
| 15:36.16 | Thumper_ | mine work too :) |
| 15:36.27 | blast007 | I have a copy of the SVN log if it helps anyone find changes: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag_svn_log.txt |
| 15:36.58 | blast007 | and I can put up a copy of the repo itself |
| 15:42.45 | Thumper_ | I won't need that |
| 15:44.23 | Thumper_ | can we start committing changes to trunk or do we wait until "When proposals are in and accepted by consensus, start the 1-month countdown clock." is done? |
| 15:48.22 | BulletCatcher | I suspect that we'll start the clock today. |
| 15:48.56 | BulletCatcher | Let's wait until JeffM shows up to make that decision, though. |
| 15:49.21 | Thumper_ | sounds good to me |
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| 15:54.59 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:56.21 | blast007 | JeffM: do you think commits can start today? |
| 15:57.32 | BulletCatcher | I would like to see the wiki page changed so that each developer has his own prioritized list of projects. |
| 15:57.52 | blast007 | looks like only 4 things don't have someone assigned |
| 15:58.03 | blast007 | and yeah, that would be good |
| 15:58.37 | BulletCatcher | If devs will work on 1 project at a time, and test between them, then there is less risk of having to revert. |
| 15:59.00 | JeffM | yeah commits can hapen at any time, I don't think we should start the deadline counter for a couple more days cus we have some empty projects |
| 15:59.12 | JeffM | ok 4 is good |
| 15:59.37 | JeffM | I am working on the windows build system rework, I would recomend someone do the makefile build system first |
| 15:59.43 | JeffM | before we do any of the other changes |
| 15:59.59 | BulletCatcher | How important are the unassigned ones? |
| 16:00.04 | JeffM | let me look |
| 16:00.07 | JeffM | I just got to my desk |
| 16:00.38 | JeffM | quoting the fact sphere takes time you know ;) |
| 16:00.50 | JeffM | new make system is critital |
| 16:00.54 | JeffM | someone has to do that |
| 16:01.09 | BulletCatcher | Probably me, then. |
| 16:01.25 | JeffM | server side handicap and gm shot checks are good anti-cheat and really should be done |
| 16:01.27 | JeffM | and are not hard |
| 16:01.45 | BulletCatcher | But I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done other than keeping it working. |
| 16:02.10 | JeffM | 2.99 had redone make files and built plugins in a different way |
| 16:02.21 | JeffM | it was a lot easier to maintain the 2.99 system IIRC |
| 16:02.38 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I'll sign up for that and figure out what needs to be done. |
| 16:02.42 | JeffM | brclad went thru and redid it all based on the files from the brlcad project |
| 16:02.44 | BulletCatcher | It builds now. |
| 16:02.53 | JeffM | yeah it builds it's just not using the NEW system |
| 16:03.05 | JeffM | things like, plugins were on by default, etc.. |
| 16:03.25 | JeffM | we don't want to loose that work on the make system |
| 16:03.41 | JeffM | I'll do round robin, it's easy |
| 16:03.50 | JeffM | and just sets us up for the glorious future |
| 16:03.58 | BulletCatcher | All of the 2.99 work is safely in svn whenever we choose to backport it. |
| 16:04.08 | JeffM | yeah but we'll forget it |
| 16:04.29 | JeffM | you can say the same thing about the mesh support in 1.8, yet we reimplemented it in 2 |
| 16:04.47 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7632 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* New Changes */ |
| 16:05.17 | JeffM | I'll make some google docs for developer assignments and priority today |
| 16:05.26 | JeffM | then link them to the wiki |
| 16:05.54 | BulletCatcher | In what way is the wiki not sufficient by itself? |
| 16:06.08 | JeffM | spreadsheets are not easy in it |
| 16:06.24 | JeffM | I could do it in the wiki, I just prefer googledocs |
| 16:06.29 | JeffM | it's better for that kind of stuff |
| 16:06.32 | blast007 | tables are a pain in the wiki syntax |
| 16:06.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:06.48 | JeffM | it will be public and group editable |
| 16:07.17 | JeffM | don't think you can do a gant chart in the wiki :) |
| 16:08.03 | JeffM | the flag idea page was done in the wiki and it was super hard to maintain |
| 16:08.13 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7633 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ BC tackles the make system |
| 16:08.45 | BulletCatcher | The CIA report showed up before the changed wiki page finished reloading. :-) |
| 16:08.55 | JeffM | yeah our server ain't fast |
| 16:09.07 | Thumper_ | I'll start to worry when CIA reports the change before you make it ;) |
| 16:09.11 | JeffM | blast007, you get all that stuff I msged you about last night? |
| 16:09.22 | JeffM | hopefuly new server will be faster |
| 16:11.24 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:11.37 | JeffM | I don't know if DTRemenak got mysql moved over or not |
| 16:11.52 | DTRemenak | yes, I did |
| 16:11.52 | blast007 | media wiki is a memory hog - I think they assume you have a load-balanced cluster behind a squid cache :P |
| 16:12.05 | DTRemenak | everything except ELGSS |
| 16:12.10 | DTRemenak | (that was 3.8gb) |
| 16:12.22 | JeffM | was that dans? |
| 16:12.27 | DTRemenak | yours |
| 16:12.31 | DTRemenak | alELGSS |
| 16:12.51 | DTRemenak | err, ELGGS? |
| 16:12.52 | JeffM | has no memory of such a database |
| 16:12.58 | DTRemenak | some social networking thing |
| 16:13.02 | JeffM | oh |
| 16:13.06 | JeffM | yeah screw that thing |
| 16:13.25 | DTRemenak | I'd disabled the apache server for it a few months ago because it was killing the mysql server |
| 16:13.28 | DTRemenak | now I know why :) |
| 16:13.37 | JeffM | spamtastic! |
| 16:13.40 | DTRemenak | so I just didn't migrate it |
| 16:13.47 | JeffM | fair nuf |
| 16:13.53 | JeffM | is apache on? |
| 16:13.54 | DTRemenak | it's all still in the backup if you need anything from it |
| 16:13.57 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 16:14.00 | JeffM | k |
| 16:14.06 | JeffM | can I tell him to yank the old drive? |
| 16:14.12 | DTRemenak | got through mysql hoping that I'd set up exim to use mysql, but apparently I hadn't |
| 16:14.19 | DTRemenak | still don't know where the damn exim config files are |
| 16:14.21 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:14.45 | blast007 | do you guys run a mail server on your box? I just use google apps and push mail off with ssmtp |
| 16:14.49 | DTRemenak | I kinda suspect that they were in /var/lib/exim4 and the upgrade blew them all away, which would suck |
| 16:14.55 | JeffM | DTRemenak does, I use google apps |
| 16:15.14 | JeffM | he has more then 10 users |
| 16:15.31 | blast007 | I got in early - I have up to 100 ;) |
| 16:17.12 | DTRemenak | I also don't see why I should have to depend on an third-party company for a service that's been locally hostable for 30 years on hundreds of platforms ;) |
| 16:17.30 | DTRemenak | but I do hate exim pretty bad :) |
| 16:17.35 | JeffM | cus every time you set it up you complain about how hard it is |
| 16:17.59 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I just couldn't ever get my freaking mail server to *work* right |
| 16:17.59 | DTRemenak | it shouldn't be that hard! |
| 16:18.06 | JeffM | yet... it is |
| 16:18.06 | blast007 | I spent hours trying.. |
| 16:18.25 | blast007 | closest I got was all my email going into spam folders :P |
| 16:18.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:18.37 | DTRemenak | domainkeys helps with that |
| 16:18.42 | BulletCatcher | Sendmail FTW :-p |
| 16:19.15 | blast007 | I tried exim and postfix for sure. not sure about sendmail. |
| 16:19.19 | DTRemenak | heh, I got sendmail working pretty fast...getting it secure was another question entirely :) |
| 16:19.50 | blast007 | here, just use Novell Groupwise instead *vomits* |
| 16:19.52 | BulletCatcher | Sendmail security has been as good as any other for the last decade or so. |
| 16:20.07 | DTRemenak | it's easy to misconfigure |
| 16:20.58 | BulletCatcher | blast007: Don't forget to commit the bzfls.php change and copy it to the new server. |
| 16:21.45 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, the main thing about google docs... I can sort by developer, or sort by "done" :) |
| 16:22.11 | DTRemenak | could move the sortable wikitable stuff over :) |
| 16:22.57 | JeffM | no thanks |
| 16:23.20 | JeffM | I'll do that when you move your work related project management into a wiki ;) |
| 16:23.44 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 16:23.57 | DTRemenak | that's not a bad idea, actually :) |
| 16:24.08 | JeffM | nancy would hate it |
| 16:24.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably true |
| 16:36.20 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, are you going to take on the svn props cleanup too? |
| 16:42.33 | DTRemenak | ok, got mail and domainkeys working again. apparently it's less painful the second time around :) |
| 16:42.43 | DTRemenak | still have no idea what happened to the original config files though |
| 16:44.11 | DTRemenak | put all the config in /etc this time... |
| 16:46.28 | BulletCatcher | I'll do props. They are mostly done, already. |
| 16:47.45 | JeffM | k |
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| 16:54.38 | Pimpinella | JeffM: maybe i have time for gm check and server side handicap |
| 16:54.53 | JeffM | put your name down on the wiki then :) |
| 16:55.41 | Pimpinella | i thought about subscribing for it but to be honest i don't know about my workload next month and just picked ONE thing so far to test how much time it takes |
| 16:56.21 | foxkit | does the "new make system" thing in the 2.3 list by /any/ chance mean CMake? because I would be all over that. |
| 16:56.31 | Pimpinella | i havn't worked on bz code for at least 3 years, but that we star out from 2.0 makes me think that i get in quickly |
| 16:56.37 | Thumper_ | foxkit: nope |
| 16:56.52 | JeffM | foxkit, no |
| 16:57.02 | JeffM | it is simply the make file setup from 2.99 |
| 16:57.09 | JeffM | it's alredy done it just needs to be backported |
| 16:57.32 | foxkit | ah, okay then |
| 16:58.12 | Pimpinella | hmm, i guess i havn't worked on any c++ within the last 3 years |
| 16:58.36 | DTRemenak | it'll come back quickly ;) |
| 16:58.45 | Pimpinella | guess so ;) |
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| 17:12.28 | foxkit | that's an...interesting way of linking... something tells me there is an issue with nvidia's libGL (again) http://slexy.org/view/s20jEaL6IA |
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| 17:14.06 | BulletCatcher | Hey, trepan. You should see http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.3 if you haven't already. |
| 17:15.05 | BulletCatcher | It would be worth adding that link to this channel's topic. |
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| 17:15.44 | JeffM | oh google docs.. why do you vex me so |
| 17:15.57 | *** topic/#bzflag by blast007 -> http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.3 || http://my.BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.0.16 is the current release, use it wisely |
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| 17:16.30 | foxkit | message protection is definitely intriguing to me, especially since I've just spent the last 4 months writing a network protocol and associated C++ lib for an internal system |
| 17:16.51 | foxkit | that said I haven't touched bz code in like 5 years :( |
| 17:16.54 | JeffM | that's just backporting the changes we did in 2.99 |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM | not new fancy stuff |
| 17:17.09 | foxkit | oh |
| 17:17.10 | JeffM | but you are welcome to do it |
| 17:17.13 | foxkit | then that sounds even easier |
| 17:17.16 | JeffM | the idea for this is LOW RISK |
| 17:17.33 | foxkit | aka "not 3.0" |
| 17:17.43 | JeffM | 3.0 failed |
| 17:17.47 | JeffM | why would we want to go back there |
| 17:17.53 | JeffM | this has to be released in 31 days |
| 17:19.22 | foxkit | so do I put my IRC nick in the wiki next to message protection? or is it a 'developer' name? |
| 17:20.18 | trepan | BulletCatcher: works for me, doesn't look like anything I've done is being included |
| 17:23.35 | trepan | off the top of my head, two others additions which are simple and useful might be a ReTeam Msg, and the MsgForceState from 3.0 |
| 17:23.46 | trepan | MsgJoinServer would be another easy backport |
| 17:23.53 | BulletCatcher | You are welcome to contribute. |
| 17:24.05 | trepan | probably not going to happen, R/L ... |
| 17:26.40 | BulletCatcher | I understand. Hope you can eventually find your way back here. |
| 17:29.43 | JeffM | anyone got a sec to help me look at a small problem with a google doc? I almost have it supercool |
| 17:30.40 | foxkit | what sort of problem? |
| 17:30.56 | JeffM | usage of vlookup across sheets |
| 17:31.05 | blast007 | JeffM: I could use a break for sure ;) |
| 17:31.29 | JeffM | sent you an inite for it |
| 17:31.37 | JeffM | and it's good it's you, you are my test case :) |
| 17:32.05 | JeffM | bassicly sheet 1 is a list of tasks with developer asignments |
| 17:32.12 | JeffM | then each developer has a sheet |
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| 17:32.19 | JeffM | where they set status and stuff |
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| 17:32.50 | JeffM | but when I put in a bug number on the dev sheet and have it look up the name and type from the main seet it gets it wrong |
| 17:33.13 | JeffM | but when I have the main sheet get the developer status date and notes from the specific developer row it works fine |
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| 17:34.17 | JeffM | see bug 20 is the wings change, but on your sheet it says it's update notification |
| 17:35.21 | BulletCatcher | foxkit: It looks like we are using IRC nicks for our assignments on the wiki page. |
| 17:35.36 | foxkit | ah, okay. |
| 17:35.41 | foxkit | thanks BulletCatcher |
| 17:35.53 | blast007 | in my case, it's the same ;) |
| 17:36.00 | foxkit | also there is definitely something odd with my libGL...I can't even build ftgl |
| 17:36.24 | foxkit | such a bizarre error, it tries to link with the actual .so file instead of using -lGL so I get /usr/lib/libGL.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 17:36.50 | blast007 | JeffM: so essentially you're trying to have a sheet with everyone, and then a single sheet per developer with the same info? |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM | with some of the same info |
| 17:37.06 | JeffM | the name and type |
| 17:37.11 | JeffM | using the ID as a key |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM | then the developer just enters stuff for status, date, and notes |
| 17:37.29 | JeffM | and it shows up on the main sheet |
| 17:37.37 | blast007 | did something like this yesterday in Excel, but with just two columns (a key, and a value) |
| 17:37.39 | JeffM | that way each dev can update there own sheet with just there tasks |
| 17:37.55 | JeffM | but we can sort and muck with the main sheet all we want |
| 17:38.10 | JeffM | I know I'm trying to use it as a database |
| 17:38.16 | JeffM | but it's a simple database :) |
| 17:38.55 | JeffM | the other option is to just put it all in a tracker in SF |
| 17:39.03 | JeffM | but thats.... sf |
| 17:41.48 | JeffM | what I'm trying to do should be possible |
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| 17:46.14 | blast007 | I don't think VLOOKUP will work anyway |
| 17:47.19 | JeffM | hlookup? |
| 17:47.25 | JeffM | did I pick the wrong axis? |
| 17:47.58 | blast007 | I'm reading up on the functions |
| 17:48.21 | JeffM | I think I did, I was thinking the sort was vertical, but I think it wnts to know what axis the looup is |
| 17:48.49 | blast007 | and no, you probably picked the right one |
| 17:49.04 | blast007 | HLOOKUP returns 22 when I tell it to pick index 2 |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM | if it's too nasty I can do it manualy, I just thought it'd be cool to have it automated |
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| 17:54.59 | joevano | i am an excel guru... google docs cant be that different if you need help |
| 17:55.58 | JeffM | sent |
| 17:58.34 | blast007 | that VLOOKUP is acting kinda weird.. |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM | isn't it? |
| 17:58.49 | blast007 | I tell it to search for 15, it gives me 9 |
| 17:58.59 | blast007 | I tell it to search for 20, it gives me 19 |
| 17:59.16 | JeffM | perhaps the joevano can see where it is odd |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM | or maybe thre is a better function |
| 17:59.46 | blast007 | give me #N/A when I search for 2 |
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| 18:00.36 | joevano | you would think this thing would display nicer in chrome :-/ |
| 18:00.45 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:00.47 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:00.48 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21413 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj bzfs.vcproj libcurl.vcproj): copy the resultant bins to a folder for the platform |
| 18:09.10 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21414 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (22 files): I'm not sure why, but what the hell... 64 bit builds |
| 18:09.37 | joevano | now to get the page reference for the status to be dynamic based on the name in the developer column |
| 18:09.55 | JeffM | can you have it pick the name of the sheet from the developer name? |
| 18:09.57 | JeffM | cus that'd be cool |
| 18:10.36 | joevano | i think so... sure I hane done it in excel... but will see what I can do in google docs |
| 18:11.14 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, you should note that techincaly we have 2 copies of zlib now, one in src and one in src/other. I updated the windows build to use src/other like 2.99 did, but once you do the makefile updates you should probalby remove the one in src |
| 18:11.23 | JeffM | src/other is newer IIRC |
| 18:11.37 | JeffM | regex too' |
| 18:11.57 | JeffM | oh and c-ares :) |
| 18:14.25 | BulletCatcher | 2.99 was due for updates for most of the src/other stuff. I now hope to do that for 2.3. |
| 18:18.17 | joevano | JeffM: like that? ;-) |
| 18:25.19 | joevano | OK JeffM, all done... just need to keep the IDs in order to make it all work |
| 18:25.40 | JeffM | you mean I can't sort by anything other then ID? |
| 18:25.41 | joevano | on all lists, but that shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM | can I make another sheet that has it sorted by dev? |
| 18:26.24 | joevano | that is a limitation of VLOOKUP... let me think on it a bit |
| 18:26.37 | JeffM | do I have to use vlookup? |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM | is there another search method? we know that the IDs are unique |
| 18:28.52 | JeffM | has to go foods now |
| 18:32.49 | joevano | yeah, that is what I am going to think on |
| 18:35.41 | Erroneous | BulletCatcher: the src/other stuff was cleaned up considerably in 2.99. I'd blow the whole src/other tree away, copy 2.99's in, and update that. once the build system changes are done, anyway. |
| 19:12.34 | BulletCatcher | 2.0.17 has no src/other tree. The current contents of src/other was copied from 2.99. |
| 19:14.00 | BulletCatcher | At the moment we have both src/zlib and src/other/zlib in trunk, and I expect to reduce that to one copy. |
| 19:14.16 | BulletCatcher | Same for ares, regex, etc. |
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| 20:04.18 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, Erroneous I moved over 2.99's src/other |
| 20:09.54 | JeffM | blast007, what version of curl were we using? |
| 20:10.00 | JeffM | sorry curses no curl |
| 20:10.41 | blast007 | 3.4 was the latest, iirc |
| 20:11.05 | blast007 | http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:11.20 | JeffM | going to just include it in the MSVC dir |
| 20:11.41 | JeffM | then we don't need the "distrobution" targets |
| 20:12.20 | blast007 | note that our 2.0.16 release has a broken bzadmin (crashes when you try to change the chat target, iirc) |
| 20:12.30 | blast007 | so we should make sure it was just a build issue ;) |
| 20:13.06 | JeffM | the current build builds but it dosn't uses curses |
| 20:32.43 | Erroneous | BulletCatcher: ok, that's fine. Just wanted to make sure we built on the work we did in 2.99 instead of reinventing the wheel |
| 20:35.17 | TimRiker | JeffM, does removing the no-textures mode help much other than not having the option? I don't think no-textures should be selected by default, but does it get in the way of something? |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM | no textures makes things go slower |
| 20:36.15 | JeffM | all hardware that bzflag runs on supports textures now |
| 20:36.25 | JeffM | it also makes the code cleaner and gets rid of some stipple crap |
| 20:36.39 | JeffM | I am targeting 5 year old hardware |
| 20:38.19 | TimRiker | well, I can't think of any good reason to keep stipple. but I no-texture should skip texture downloads (not sure that it does now) and get you in faster. would be nice to keep that around. as for the other low settings, I'm a fan of nuking them as you propose. |
| 20:38.58 | TimRiker | plan it so move to server scoring, yes? |
| 20:39.14 | TimRiker | s/so/to/ |
| 20:39.24 | TimRiker | argh.. |
| 20:39.36 | TimRiker | the plan is to move to server scoring, yes? |
| 20:40.10 | Erroneous | yes |
| 20:40.19 | TimRiker | k |
| 20:49.40 | JeffM | reall... download times? |
| 20:49.57 | JeffM | if tha'ts what you are worried about then should add an option to never download anything |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM | not turn off textures |
| 20:50.38 | JeffM | but I will take that into mind |
| 20:51.08 | trepan | such an option already exists, iirc |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM | then we are good to go :) |
| 20:51.23 | trepan | "Automatic downloads", in the Cache menu |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM | cooleo |
| 20:52.19 | TimRiker | k. not a big deal. I'm good. |
| 20:54.07 | JeffM | tho the download speed thing is why I'd like to have a mode where we keep a local cache of the files stored on images.b.o on the machine |
| 20:54.15 | JeffM | then we can keep that updated in the background |
| 20:54.21 | JeffM | but that's for a later version |
| 21:02.25 | Erroneous | we do cache any images that you've used before. don't see the need to cache images that aren't even running on any public servers. |
| 21:03.21 | JeffM | I know you don't ;) |
| 21:06.50 | BulletCatcher | I am under the impression that some players turn off textures to reduce visual clutter. |
| 21:06.52 | BulletCatcher | I recommend getting player feedback before removing that option completely. |
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| 21:07.29 | JeffM | it would be faster (grapohcaly to change the textures to just flat colors then) |
| 21:07.37 | JeffM | make a texture pack that does it |
| 21:10.03 | BulletCatcher | The low-risk development plan would be to preserve the textures-off option in 2.3, then get player input for some future change. |
| 21:13.42 | JeffM | k |
| 21:15.08 | joevano | JeffM: can't seem to come up with any way to let you sort without just doing a copy and paste to another sheet |
| 21:15.28 | joevano | you could use filters though to only look at certain data |
| 21:16.02 | joevano | Google docs is nice, but it isn't quite as powerful as excel |
| 21:16.19 | joevano | a quick script in excel could do it |
| 21:17.17 | joevano | any thoughts of doing something like this out on something like http://www.clockingit.com/ |
| 21:29.42 | JeffM | whatever works |
| 21:29.54 | JeffM | I just know that tracking time on the wiki is going to be messy |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM | google docs was my first choice cus it's pretty generic and we've used it before |
| 21:30.35 | JeffM | people may not like another service they have to make an account for. |
| 21:31.09 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, we could say that the non texture users are cheating since they get an advantage, you should ban them from UI right now ;) |
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| 22:34.02 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7634 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: |
| 22:35.16 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7635 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Assignments and tracking */ |
| 22:36.25 | JeffM | there are 4 unsasigned items that are marked as critical |
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| 22:40.39 | JeffM | those that have signed up for tasks should go set priority fields on the spreadsheet |
| 22:41.19 | trepan | if I can tack the lua stuff in before release, would you want it? |
| 22:41.36 | JeffM | client or server? |
| 22:41.41 | trepan | fwiw, it's low risk; few hooks, and you don't need to use it if you don't want it |
| 22:41.48 | trepan | client -- the one that counts |
| 22:41.57 | JeffM | k |
| 22:42.08 | JeffM | it's worth looking into if you have the time |
| 22:42.17 | a_meteorite | are there any unassigned tasks I could take a whack at? |
| 22:42.26 | JeffM | go read the doc |
| 22:42.26 | trepan | i'd probably start by converting everything to use bz3's vectors.h |
| 22:42.34 | a_meteorite | Ah, there it is |
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| 22:43.27 | trepan | bz3's [df]vec[34] is much easier to use, imo |
| 22:44.04 | JeffM | if it's low risk |
| 22:44.34 | trepan | also, the network protocol hacks should be replaced |
| 22:44.47 | JeffM | can you be more specific? |
| 22:44.50 | trepan | ex: drawInfo being stuffed into extra texcoords |
| 22:45.20 | JeffM | it would be nice to have a list |
| 22:45.26 | trepan | iirc, matswap's are stuffed into group instance names too -- or something along those lines |
| 22:45.27 | JeffM | so we can track it |
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| 22:46.37 | trepan | those are the two that I remem |
| 22:46.45 | trepan | *remember |
| 22:47.21 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21415 10/trunk/bzflag/ (178 files in 10 dirs): add PDCurses so bzadmin can build on windows. |
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| 22:52.16 | disillusional | I am all for adding anything trepan can shoehorn in.... Without that, from a player's perspective there is almost nothing new... they get the wings jump velocity change, HUD markers, small graphics changes.... not much else that a casual player will even notice. |
| 22:52.43 | JeffM | as long as it dosn't turn it into another v3 sure |
| 22:52.49 | Erroneous | server list |
| 22:53.34 | Erroneous | but the general idea is that this is a quick release with small contents |
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| 22:54.32 | disillusional | there has to be SOMETHING to justify a player's download. |
| 22:54.49 | JeffM | there will be |
| 22:54.49 | disillusional | something.. anything |
| 22:54.52 | JeffM | the fact that the server they are on upgraded is a big thing |
| 22:54.57 | a_meteorite | yes, like servers all migrated to 2.3 |
| 22:55.07 | JeffM | it ain't a single player game ;) |
| 22:55.13 | trepan | shouldn't be that hard to backport the lua stuff -- and it increases the game's flexibility by orders of magnitude :) |
| 22:55.18 | Pimpinella | being able to play bzflag after the servers upgraded will justify the download |
| 22:55.21 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:56.00 | Cobra_Fast2 | just an idea: what about making map makers able to use shaders on their objects? |
| 22:56.15 | JeffM | not everyone has a card that can run shaders |
| 22:56.18 | trepan | 1. old idea, see the bzw spec |
| 22:56.20 | JeffM | and that's a biger change |
| 22:56.23 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:56.25 | trepan | 2. lua will allow that |
| 22:56.38 | a_meteorite | changing teams without rejoining would have been niiiice. |
| 22:56.45 | JeffM | lots of things would be nice |
| 22:56.54 | JeffM | ending world hunger would be nice |
| 22:56.56 | a_meteorite | But in all honesty I haven't a clue what changes were made to make it work in 2.99 |
| 22:57.06 | a_meteorite | Probably extensive |
| 22:57.07 | JeffM | you can't let the feature creep eat the release |
| 22:57.22 | Erroneous | what gets in will be in. what doesn't, won't. |
| 22:57.31 | a_meteorite | As long as 2.3 doesn't become the next 2.0: around for 5 years. |
| 22:57.41 | trepan | cutoff date for new features? |
| 22:57.43 | a_meteorite | Or more. Lots more. |
| 22:57.44 | JeffM | if it has too much it won't even release |
| 22:57.50 | Erroneous | better that than the next 3.0, a_meteorite ;) |
| 22:57.53 | trepan | (plus two weeks testing ... then release?) |
| 22:57.54 | JeffM | trepan, probably 30 days from next week |
| 22:57.57 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: this is true |
| 22:58.27 | disillusional | I've had a map I've wanted to make for at least 5 years.... have done some actual work on it.... it requires the 3.0 teleporters. |
| 22:58.31 | a_meteorite | I'd like to see a release schedule or something... more bold updates. A rolling release, if you will |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM | a_meteorite, you mean like that doc we put on the wiki? |
| 22:59.08 | a_meteorite | The BZFlag 2.3 Release Plan? |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:59.17 | JeffM | it has a schedule in it |
| 22:59.24 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: let's start with just one release. we'll go from there. crawl before walking and all. |
| 22:59.33 | JeffM | yeah this may fail |
| 22:59.41 | JeffM | overplaning can kill a release too |
| 22:59.51 | JeffM | if SOMETHING can get done then bzflag isn't dead |
| 22:59.56 | JeffM | if it can't, then yeah it's dead |
| 22:59.58 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: I agree, just it would be nice after 2.3 that rapid-fire releases can continue |
| 23:00.07 | a_meteorite | But let's focus on 2.3 first |
| 23:00.07 | JeffM | that would be the idea |
| 23:00.19 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: sure. if it works, it's probably a good model to follow. |
| 23:00.21 | AAA_awright | Also, if this breaks reverse compatability, shouldn't that mean a major version increment? |
| 23:00.33 | JeffM | AAA_awright, the version docs changed |
| 23:00.37 | JeffM | so no |
| 23:00.44 | JeffM | minor is now the compatability |
| 23:00.49 | AAA_awright | ... That's just how you number versions |
| 23:01.02 | JeffM | we can number them however we want :) |
| 23:01.09 | trepan | is glad to see that -publickey is listed as a possible backport - worthy feature |
| 23:01.11 | AAA_awright | Major version bump = Reverse-incompatible change |
| 23:01.20 | JeffM | not everyone does that |
| 23:01.36 | JeffM | the problem is that we said what 3.0 was going to be, this isn't it |
| 23:01.38 | Erroneous | AAA_awright: the versioning scheme changed for 3.0. we're using the 2.x scheme again for now, skipping 2.2 because of the 2.1 branch. |
| 23:01.54 | Erroneous | and in the older scheme, minor, not major, was compatibility key |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM | if you look at games, EVERY version is incompatabile |
| 23:01.59 | JeffM | WOW, quake, etc... |
| 23:02.01 | a_meteorite | So released it'll be 2.4? |
| 23:02.04 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:02.08 | Erroneous | that's the idea |
| 23:02.13 | JeffM | 2.4.0.0 |
| 23:02.23 | AAA_awright | That's why they release with a new major version... whatever |
| 23:02.38 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: version 20 here we come! ;) |
| 23:02.57 | trepan | a la chrome, up to 12.0 isn't it? |
| 23:03.04 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: That's why you're supposed to be very careful about breaking things for people with a change like that |
| 23:03.04 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 23:03.16 | JeffM | AAA_awright, actualy wow is on 3.x.x each rev is incompatable |
| 23:03.22 | a_meteorite | it's hard to do changes in bzflag without breaking proto |
| 23:03.29 | JeffM | the major versions go with each expansion or engine change. |
| 23:03.36 | a_meteorite | Well, not hard... but it ties your hands |
| 23:03.55 | JeffM | a_meteorite, or force auotmatic updates :) |
| 23:04.57 | JeffM | heck if you look at many office products they never go incompatable :) |
| 23:05.07 | AAA_awright | I thought it waas more along the lines of "you need this new data package if you want to continue" than a protocol change but I don't play WoW. At all. |
| 23:05.09 | JeffM | good thing we ain't makin word |
| 23:05.19 | AAA_awright | Just secondhand reports and complaints |
| 23:05.23 | JeffM | AAA_awright, they change the network crypto every time |
| 23:05.33 | blast007 | AAA_awright: lots of MMOs change the game binary constantly |
| 23:05.33 | JeffM | to stop the haxorz |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM | yeah since they know everyone has to be on the same client |
| 23:05.52 | JeffM | and it's self patching |
| 23:05.55 | AAA_awright | If that's a configuration option or compile-time option I wouldn't call that reverse-incompatible |
| 23:06.10 | blast007 | AAA_awright: what are you talking about? |
| 23:06.25 | AAA_awright | blast007: major.minor.release version numbering |
| 23:06.40 | blast007 | no, I mean, what are you talking about. |
| 23:06.42 | a_meteorite | it's been changed |
| 23:06.43 | JeffM | it's a game, we want everyone playing in the same shared world to have the same game experience, with the way bzflag is writen they need to be on the same versions |
| 23:06.49 | AAA_awright | reverseincompatible.featurerelesae.bugfix |
| 23:07.08 | JeffM | since we don't open docs compatability isn't that important |
| 23:07.09 | blast007 | is this whole thing about our choice of number scheme? if so, stop wasting our time, AAA_awright. |
| 23:07.12 | Erroneous | versioning is entirely bikeshed anyway. nobody cares, and everyone does it differently. |
| 23:07.14 | JeffM | you don't loose your work |
| 23:07.49 | AAA_awright | blast007: I'm not the only one devoting time to it, it's interesting enough to discuss |
| 23:09.23 | Pimpinella | AAA_awright, where've you been the last (how old is bzflag?) 20 years? |
| 23:09.45 | AAA_awright | Pimpinella: Playing BZFlag. |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM | evangelizing git ;) |
| 23:10.02 | AAA_awright | A little bit of that on the side. |
| 23:10.06 | a_meteorite | before it even existed! |
| 23:11.03 | Pimpinella | minor breaks compatability ever since 1.10 |
| 23:11.21 | JeffM | yeah the new scheeme works for old versions |
| 23:11.31 | JeffM | they just had wierd numbers after the minor :) |
| 23:11.55 | JeffM | 1.7 1.8 1.10 2.0, now 2.3 |
| 23:12.03 | AAA_awright | Pimpinella: I was playing since 1.7 where there were no protocol breaks |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM | there were, 1.6 was not compatable |
| 23:12.23 | JeffM | then we broke it in 1.10 |
| 23:12.24 | AAA_awright | Was there a 1.6 now? |
| 23:12.31 | JeffM | not open source ;) |
| 23:12.36 | AAA_awright | I'm not familiar with 1.8 |
| 23:12.38 | JeffM | but yes |
| 23:12.42 | AAA_awright | Ah well then that doesn't count |
| 23:12.44 | Pimpinella | 1.8 broke it |
| 23:12.44 | JeffM | it was a branch that died |
| 23:12.44 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 23:12.57 | JeffM | sure it does, bzflag wasn't always open source |
| 23:12.58 | Pimpinella | even though it was never finished |
| 23:13.02 | JeffM | it was a comerical project |
| 23:13.05 | Thumper_ | JeffM: what's the link to the spreadsheet? |
| 23:13.12 | a_meteorite | https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0Agca59DESlNKdC1CSUtUMUhiSldrOVVPSHcwQUNzOUE&output=html |
| 23:13.25 | JeffM | Thumper_, I sent you an invite to the email I had on file |
| 23:13.30 | JeffM | to the editable version |
| 23:13.31 | a_meteorite | How do we sign ourselves up for something? Ask you to add us? |
| 23:13.45 | Thumper_ | ah haven't checked email in a few hours |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM | what do you want to do? |
| 23:14.27 | a_meteorite | I was going to add message types, looks like blast got that. Was going to take a look at message protection. |
| 23:14.31 | AAA_awright | I think we're pretty bust as is |
| 23:14.37 | Thumper_ | JeffM: got it -- thanks |
| 23:14.56 | AAA_awright | What was the protocol bug that version 2.0.16 was a band-aid for? |
| 23:15.00 | JeffM | a_meteorite, do you know what that is? |
| 23:15.01 | a_meteorite | I'm not familiar with the protocol bug that 2.0.16 did |
| 23:15.17 | JeffM | someone will have to research what BulletCatcher meant by that one |
| 23:15.24 | a_meteorite | JeffM: nope, which is why I was going to take a look at it before I signed up :) |
| 23:15.32 | AAA_awright | What's the -publickey option? |
| 23:15.52 | JeffM | AAA_awright, requring public servers to use a key so we know what bzbb user runs them |
| 23:15.59 | a_meteorite | Since I couldn't see exactly what it was, hadn't been keeping up with 2.99 enough to know all the changes |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM | there is a webpage that generates keys and ties them to accounts |
| 23:16.08 | AAA_awright | right nhm. |
| 23:16.34 | JeffM | a_meteorite, it's making sure that network messages are only accepted when they are valid, i.e. no chat message before join, etc.. |
| 23:16.41 | JeffM | prevents the spam and some attacks |
| 23:16.47 | AAA_awright | I wonder if public-key crypto would be a better solution |
| 23:17.09 | JeffM | it's tied to the domain, so you have to use it with an addy that resolves to the domain name |
| 23:17.14 | JeffM | so crypto is somewhat pointless |
| 23:17.21 | JeffM | this is easy and DONE on the list server side |
| 23:17.22 | AAA_awright | In what sense? |
| 23:17.25 | a_meteorite | JeffM: the message protection one? or the protocol bug 2.0.16 was a band-aid for? |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM | it's just a small bzfs change |
| 23:17.31 | JeffM | a_meteorite, the message protection |
| 23:17.49 | AAA_awright | I didn't know messages had to be protected...? |
| 23:17.57 | a_meteorite | ah. sure, sign me up. |
| 23:18.00 | JeffM | not protected for contents |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM | for the server accepting them |
| 23:18.16 | JeffM | talking about 2 things at once ;) |
| 23:18.37 | JeffM | a_meteorite, you accept the flogging clause if you fail? |
| 23:19.09 | AAA_awright | "Round Robin for services" What does this involve? |
| 23:19.12 | a_meteorite | is the reason no one's signed up is cause it's that difficult? |
| 23:19.17 | Anxuiz | The protocol bug involved sending multiple MsgEnters to change the user's callsign and aquire additional permissions if I recall correctly. |
| 23:19.20 | JeffM | just adding new urls to try when one fails |
| 23:19.37 | JeffM | a_meteorite, no the changes are in 2.99 they just ahve to be moved back |
| 23:20.01 | CIA-116 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7636 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: /* Backports */ |
| 23:20.10 | a_meteorite | ah, and find them. so that can't be so bad. |
| 23:21.20 | JeffM | you are set |
| 23:21.29 | a_meteorite | awesome/ |
| 23:21.40 | JeffM | 3 left |
| 23:22.29 | JeffM | most of it just checks to be sure that the player is in a specific state and if not just ingore the packet |
| 23:30.08 | mrapple | hey so about this new bzflag thing, could i offer some sort of help? |
| 23:30.29 | JeffM | there is a list on the wiki of proejcts with the people who are doing them |
| 23:31.36 | Pimpinella | ttp://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.3 |
| 23:31.45 | Pimpinella | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.3 |
| 23:31.58 | mrapple | Fix the protocol bug that version 2.0.16 was a band-aid for? |
| 23:32.02 | mrapple | wasn't that MsgEnter? |
| 23:32.07 | JeffM | read the backlog |
| 23:33.16 | Anxuiz | for some reason I can never connect to bzflag.org on this computer |
| 23:33.43 | mrapple | probably got caught in the firewall |
| 23:33.45 | mrapple | happened to me |
| 23:34.08 | JeffM | it's going to move soon, it'll get a new firewall :) |
| 23:34.46 | mrapple | where to? blast's server? |
| 23:34.51 | JeffM | no |
| 23:34.52 | JeffM | mine |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM | same datacenter |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM | less crap running on it |
| 23:35.31 | mrapple | gotcha |
| 23:36.04 | mrapple | a website revamp would be nice |
| 23:36.12 | mrapple | as well as revamping the stats site |
| 23:36.20 | Thumper_ | mrapple: make it so |
| 23:36.34 | JeffM | that is not tied to a release in any way |
| 23:36.59 | mrapple | just thinking, new game, new site, might pull it all together |
| 23:37.09 | Thumper_ | JeffM: so for priority I just set it to the order I'll be working on things - that okay? |
| 23:37.11 | a_meteorite | I wouldn't delay 2.3 at all for it |
| 23:37.34 | mrapple | im not saying that |
| 23:37.38 | Thumper_ | mrapple: we want to concentrate on getting the release out the door (with something useful in it) |
| 23:37.51 | mrapple | ok |
| 23:40.50 | JeffM | Thumper_, that what i wanted it to mean |
| 23:41.00 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
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| 23:46.06 | Thumper_ | JeffM: is the server-side handicap r12019,r12020,r12022 ? |
| 23:46.15 | JeffM | dunno |
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| 23:46.45 | Thumper_ | atupone did those and if that's it I'll take it |
| 23:46.59 | JeffM | k |
| 23:47.03 | JeffM | edit away |
| 23:47.07 | Anxuiz | I'd be willing to look into the networking issues if someone would be kind enough to unblock me from bzflag.org |
| 23:47.36 | JeffM | what networking issues are you talking about? |
| 23:47.45 | JeffM | and how did you get blocked? |
| 23:48.56 | Anxuiz | the 2.0.16 protocol bug fix and message protection |
| 23:49.20 | JeffM | message protecton has someone signed up for it |
| 23:49.27 | JeffM | how did you get blocked from the site? |
| 23:49.45 | Anxuiz | I don't know, maybe I was caught in a range block |
| 23:50.00 | JeffM | I was unware that the site firewall used range blocks |
| 23:50.37 | JeffM | blast007 is the master of keys and grounds for the wobsite |
| 23:50.56 | blast007 | Anxuiz: You'll have to be more specific |
| 23:51.21 | blast007 | there's like a half dozen ban systems |
| 23:51.40 | Anxuiz | blast007, I don't get any response from bzflag.org on this internet connection |
| 23:52.00 | blast007 | well, it's very shy |
| 23:52.28 | blast007 | in any case, I can't really help without knowing your IP |
| 23:52.50 | Anxuiz | my IP is 67.171.11.99 (comcast) |
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| 23:58.55 | CIA-116 | bzflag: 03JeffM2501 * r21416 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: try just a little harder to find the data dir on the windows |