| 00:07.16 | mrapple | Murielle: is xleague actually active? |
| 00:11.23 | Murielle | mrapple: xleague is not a league |
| 00:11.34 | mrapple | name is decieving then |
| 00:11.46 | Murielle | suggest one |
| 00:11.59 | mrapple | i dont even know what it is |
| 00:12.07 | Murielle | look at it |
| 00:12.25 | mrapple | oh xleague as in, a new webleague... |
| 00:12.49 | Murielle | there is a homepage there |
| 00:12.52 | mrapple | does it use drupal framework? |
| 00:12.57 | mrapple | or webleague |
| 00:12.57 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:13.05 | Murielle | drupal:/ |
| 00:13.40 | Murielle | and..i think u know it already.Why are you asking? |
| 00:14.28 | mrapple | asking what. if it's active? |
| 00:14.42 | Murielle | about the framework |
| 00:15.11 | mrapple | well if it says "It is based on drupal" i thought maybe you were modeling it after drupal, not using the framework |
| 00:15.14 | mrapple | i ask because i dont know |
| 00:16.11 | Murielle | for your knowledge, mrapple, it is some modules written on drupal |
| 00:16.24 | Murielle | nice, isnt it? |
| 00:18.55 | Murielle | mrapple,if u want to code some modules for it, you are welcome |
| 00:21.47 | JeffM | is there a project somewhere for it? |
| 00:22.34 | Murielle | a prject? |
| 00:23.24 | JeffM | a repository where the sourcecode can be gotten from |
| 00:23.46 | Murielle | there is a private svn |
| 00:23.51 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:23.55 | JeffM | is it open source? |
| 00:24.04 | Murielle | dunno |
| 00:24.09 | jh` | _P |
| 00:24.14 | Murielle | i think it would be |
| 00:24.27 | JeffM | does it have a license anywhere? |
| 00:24.32 | Murielle | no |
| 00:24.41 | JeffM | then it probalby isn't |
| 00:24.43 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 00:25.02 | Murielle | could add a licence |
| 00:25.08 | Murielle | not a problem |
| 00:25.13 | JeffM | did you write it? |
| 00:25.19 | Murielle | drupal? |
| 00:25.25 | JeffM | no the modules |
| 00:25.32 | Murielle | yes the modules |
| 00:25.46 | JeffM | do you want to make them open source? |
| 00:25.49 | Murielle | and i modified some existing themes |
| 00:26.03 | JeffM | were those themes open source? |
| 00:26.10 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:26.36 | JeffM | depending on the licnese they were released under you may have to at least open source those mods you made |
| 00:26.41 | Murielle | the slide up is what i have added |
| 00:26.44 | JeffM | like if it's GPL or CCSA |
| 00:29.56 | mrapple | JeffM: i might be buying one of those tshirts soon :D |
| 00:30.00 | JeffM | ok\ |
| 00:30.09 | mrapple | only one type, right? |
| 00:30.10 | JeffM | you saw my list of what I have left |
| 00:30.12 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:30.14 | mrapple | yep |
| 00:30.15 | mrapple | ok |
| 00:30.16 | JeffM | all I got left for now |
| 00:30.20 | Murielle | what is benefits of opensource? |
| 00:30.37 | JeffM | Murielle: many. mostly people will help you develop your project |
| 00:30.39 | jh` | maybe more developers, but its not sure rugght? |
| 00:30.48 | JeffM | and the code dosn't die when you stop wanting to work on it |
| 00:30.57 | jh` | bzflag is os but not a lot development:P |
| 00:31.03 | JeffM | for the themes, yoy may not have much of a choice |
| 00:31.07 | Murielle | jeffm: why would people help me in opensource and nt in opensource? |
| 00:31.16 | JeffM | huh? |
| 00:31.25 | JeffM | I'm sorry I don't understand what you wrote |
| 00:31.44 | jh` | if someone wants to help, we can open code for him right? |
| 00:31.49 | jh` | without beeing opensource |
| 00:32.01 | JeffM | sure you could help her |
| 00:32.11 | JeffM | but it'd be up to her discression |
| 00:32.12 | Murielle | why would people help me if it was opensource. And why would they not help me if it is not opensource |
| 00:32.21 | jh` | :P |
| 00:32.24 | JeffM | mostly a philosphy thing |
| 00:32.43 | JeffM | as for the themes you should look at the license and see if you can mod them and make them closed source |
| 00:32.52 | JeffM | the rest is your code and you can do what you want |
| 00:32.55 | JeffM | I was just curious |
| 00:33.07 | JeffM | if you stay closed source, I would ask that you not discuss it here |
| 00:33.18 | JeffM | as bzflag supports open source, but it's your call in the end |
| 00:33.31 | JeffM | I do think drupal or something like it is the way to go for leauges |
| 00:34.01 | jh` | it is quite fancy |
| 00:34.15 | JeffM | if the theme's don't allow mods with out source release, and you do mod them. the copyright holders could sue your parrents. |
| 00:34.33 | JeffM | but the license may only require mod release on request |
| 00:34.37 | Murielle | this is free themes, jeffm |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM | under what license? |
| 00:34.52 | JeffM | nothing is ever 'free' ;) |
| 00:34.53 | Murielle | let me check |
| 00:35.04 | JeffM | you should just know what you are using, that's all |
| 00:36.23 | Murielle | they come with drupal installation |
| 00:36.32 | Murielle | there is nothing said inside them |
| 00:36.48 | JeffM | then they will be under whatever license drupal is under |
| 00:37.04 | JeffM | not having a licnese actualy means you have no rights, not that you have full rights |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM | yeah drupal is GPL |
| 00:38.10 | JeffM | so if someone ask you, you must provide the source code |
| 00:38.22 | jh` | but not her own modules right? |
| 00:38.24 | JeffM | for the code you moded |
| 00:38.26 | JeffM | not your new code |
| 00:38.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:38.33 | Murielle | really? i can ask the source of any site using drupal? :) |
| 00:38.34 | JeffM | tho it's GPL, not LGPL |
| 00:38.48 | JeffM | Murielle: if they have moded code sure |
| 00:38.59 | JeffM | that's just the code for the site, not the content |
| 00:39.04 | jh` | i think he means themes |
| 00:39.07 | Murielle | cool.going to ask ubuntu :) |
| 00:39.09 | JeffM | she |
| 00:39.21 | JeffM | they should have there website in a repository |
| 00:39.59 | JeffM | but they would only be required to release source if they modified something that was allready licensed under the GPL or LGPL |
| 00:40.21 | JeffM | if they made the theme from scratch then that is there own code, not a derived work |
| 00:40.40 | AAA_awright | That's only if they are distributing the code |
| 00:40.47 | AAA_awright | They don't have to agree to the terms of the GPL to use it |
| 00:40.51 | JeffM | true |
| 00:41.30 | JeffM | there is that moded gpl that better defines server side software |
| 00:42.19 | Murielle | really...licence things...that do ot sound sexy for me |
| 00:42.21 | AAA_awright | The AGPL tries to require you to publish the source code of server-side software you are using but it's doubtful you could enforce it because it's not an EULA |
| 00:42.41 | JeffM | yeah it'll be interesting to see if that can ever go to court |
| 00:42.57 | JeffM | Murielle: they can be a pain but unfortonatly they have to be dealt with |
| 00:43.26 | JeffM | if you don't want to care about licensing then just PD your work and you are done |
| 00:43.39 | Murielle | PD = ? |
| 00:43.48 | JeffM | public domain |
| 00:43.53 | JeffM | that means you give up rights to it |
| 00:44.08 | Murielle | i do not know who is PD |
| 00:44.17 | Murielle | why would i give him something? |
| 00:44.27 | JeffM | now you are just being silly |
| 00:44.28 | Murielle | oh :p misread |
| 00:44.29 | jh` | pd=public domain |
| 00:44.40 | Murielle | no sorry...i misread |
| 00:44.47 | AAA_awright | http://unlicense.org/ is great |
| 00:44.53 | jh` | mr. public domain |
| 00:45.17 | JeffM | yeah that's a very permisive license |
| 00:45.39 | JeffM | grants bassicly PD and damage liability waver |
| 00:47.45 | JeffM | goes back to pondering the new store layout |
| 00:48.10 | Murielle | since i am not sure about the opensource stuff and since jeffm asked me stop to talk about xleague here, then i stop. But if some people are interested by contributing on this thing, just tell me |
| 00:48.33 | JeffM | Murielle: you may want to make your own channel for it, that can be very productive |
| 00:48.39 | JeffM | as a sugestion :) |
| 00:48.45 | jh` | it has a chan |
| 00:48.50 | JeffM | cool |
| 00:49.03 | Murielle | #xleague |
| 00:49.04 | JeffM | just make sure you follow the rules :) |
| 00:49.25 | Murielle | rules of ... ? |
| 00:49.33 | JeffM | freenode useage rules |
| 00:49.42 | Murielle | -_- |
| 00:49.51 | Murielle | i have so bad reputation ? sad |
| 00:50.08 | JeffM | it's more that we know you are uniformed |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM | uninformed even |
| 00:51.07 | JeffM | if you are serious about the project you may want to look into registering it |
| 00:51.16 | JeffM | then you get cool things like cloaks |
| 00:51.37 | Murielle | i am using cloak |
| 00:51.50 | Murielle | why would i use cloack for a channel? |
| 00:52.08 | jh` | why woulld i use a cloak? |
| 00:52.27 | JeffM | no, you get org cloaks for registering a channel to a project |
| 00:52.51 | JeffM | instead of being unaffilated |
| 00:52.56 | Murielle | ah |
| 00:53.05 | JeffM | you'd be like xleauge/owner or whatever you wanted it to be |
| 00:53.32 | JeffM | and nobody can take your channel name and stuff like that |
| 00:53.41 | Murielle | so it comes when the project is registered ? |
| 00:53.59 | JeffM | yeah you get a lot of services from freenode when you register as an org with a project channel |
| 00:54.10 | JeffM | that's how bzflag got it's custom cloaks |
| 00:54.21 | JeffM | and how it can keep the single # and not be ##bzflag |
| 00:54.47 | Murielle | keywords are "org cloaks channel frenode" (for googling it) ? |
| 00:54.58 | JeffM | it should all be listed on freenode.net |
| 00:55.04 | JeffM | the webpage for the network |
| 00:55.20 | Murielle | thank you for the info, i will look at it |
| 00:55.25 | JeffM | sure |
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| 12:23.19 | wanda | At revision 21347. |
| 12:23.21 | wanda | W In function 'void drawInsideOutsidePoints()': |
| 12:23.23 | wanda | W error: 'const class MeshObstacle' has no member named 'getCheckCount |
| 12:23.25 | wanda | anyone can help? |
| 12:36.08 | trepan | yup, just give me a second |
| 12:38.55 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r21348 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/include/MeshObstacle.h: * added MeshObstacle::getCheckCount() |
| 12:52.58 | wanda | thank you, trepan - it worked |
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| 17:58.37 | JeffM2501 | opinions on this design? http://store.awesomelaser.com/store.png |
| 18:00.08 | blast007 | not bad at all :) |
| 18:00.31 | JeffM2501 | blatently inspired by a wordpress theme I saw :) |
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| 18:01.06 | JeffM2501 | figure have the black bar be a menu with dropdowns for sub sections, and the white bar have the breadcrumb |
| 18:01.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe make the big image be a slideshow etc.. |
| 18:03.40 | alezakos | maybe the store is too black? |
| 18:03.58 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:04.18 | alezakos | I mean, you need to change the colours a little bit, at least that's what I think |
| 18:04.24 | JeffM2501 | you mean the words online store in the logo? |
| 18:04.35 | alezakos | the whole design |
| 18:04.45 | JeffM2501 | it has no color, it's black and white ;) |
| 18:04.53 | JeffM2501 | well mostly white |
| 18:05.04 | alezakos | increase the saturation |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | grays don't have saturation |
| 18:05.31 | alezakos | okay, colorize it |
| 18:05.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather not, a colored site will tint the perception of the products it shows |
| 18:05.56 | JeffM2501 | and they will be many colors |
| 18:06.03 | alezakos | okay then |
| 18:06.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to go nutral |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM2501 | what don't you like about it being monochrome? |
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| 18:10.01 | trepan | confusional: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/mofoxobj.jpg -- exporter to the new .obj format, with grouping; that help? ;) |
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| 18:31.57 | JeffM2501 | how does one make a div be centered in the page? |
| 18:32.27 | trepan | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/4694.htm |
| 18:32.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm was trying that but it wasn't working... maybe something else is wrong |
| 18:33.09 | trepan | there's a discussion in there about older(?) IE interpretation of text-align |
| 18:33.31 | JeffM2501 | looks like auto margins s what I wanted |
| 18:36.09 | Cobra_Fast | <div style="left: 50%; margin-left: -(width/2)px; width: widthpx;"></div> |
| 18:36.21 | JeffM2501 | auto actualy did it |
| 18:36.27 | JeffM2501 | cus I had a width for it |
| 18:41.32 | alezakos | Cannot open include file: 'bzares.h': No such file or directory |
| 18:41.44 | alezakos | on Windows |
| 18:42.37 | JeffM2501 | has anyone kept the windows projects up to date? |
| 18:49.50 | alezakos | Do I need to have bzflag compiled in order to compile a single plugin on windows? |
| 18:53.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:53.14 | JeffM2501 | the installer shipps with the headers and libs you need |
| 18:53.18 | alezakos | LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'bzfs.lib' |
| 18:53.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah you need to tell the compiler where that is |
| 18:53.31 | JeffM2501 | it is in the API folder |
| 18:53.38 | JeffM2501 | on a standard install |
| 18:53.58 | JeffM2501 | the simplest way is to just put it in the same folder as the vcproj |
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| 19:07.13 | alezakos | ok thanks compiled successfully |
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| 19:47.10 | JeffM2501 | so blast007 the section on that store site that had the big image on the left and the 3 stacked images on the right.. my old html 1.1 brain says do bust that out as nested tables, but I know that is the bad way. Would I do that as 4 divs and just set 3 of them to float right? |
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| 20:12.26 | JeffM2501 | awww yeah... thats one busted ass site :) |
| 20:12.51 | JeffM2501 | http://store.awesomelaser.com/ |
| 20:31.18 | mrapple | lol JeffM2501 |
| 20:34.56 | JeffM2501 | lol for you mrapple grrrrr for me |
| 20:35.18 | mrapple | if you want some help i have a little spare time |
| 20:35.20 | alezakos | why? That design seems strange on my PC |
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| 20:37.15 | sunrise6 | hi |
| 20:37.28 | mrapple | hello |
| 20:37.40 | alezakos | In fact, his are for #bzflag-chat |
| 20:37.59 | JeffM2501 | alezakos, because I am not good at HTML and CSS |
| 20:38.11 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, I'm mostly trying to get the big image to be below the white menu bar |
| 20:38.13 | mrapple | JeffM2501: i'd recommend html 4.0.1 if not 5 |
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| 20:38.25 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, I'm doing 1.0 ;) |
| 20:38.35 | JeffM2501 | as in what I know |
| 20:38.48 | mrapple | eh k |
| 20:38.55 | JeffM2501 | this is how I want it to be layed out, http://store.awesomelaser.com/store.png |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm just happy I got a friggin CSS dropdown menu to work :) |
| 20:39.28 | alezakos | this is not html 1, this ix Xhtml 1 |
| 20:39.39 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 20:39.46 | mrapple | margin-top: 90px; to featured_projects |
| 20:39.49 | JeffM2501 | I just want it to work |
| 20:39.58 | alezakos | xhtml 1 is something like html 4 |
| 20:40.01 | JeffM2501 | why dosn't it just go after the white bar? |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM2501 | it's defined after that div's end |
| 20:40.12 | mrapple | yes |
| 20:40.33 | mrapple | or i guess you could specify a height for the menu bars |
| 20:40.51 | JeffM2501 | both have a height |
| 20:40.57 | JeffM2501 | white is 40px |
| 20:41.08 | alezakos | Have you installed Firebug in order to change the source rapidly? |
| 20:41.18 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, did I just define the height of the div, not the height of the contents? |
| 20:41.50 | alezakos | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843/ |
| 20:41.57 | mrapple | JeffM2501: your height for er top_header doesn't match up |
| 20:41.57 | alezakos | "You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..." |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 20:42.26 | JeffM2501 | alezakos, I have dreamweaver for editing |
| 20:42.33 | alezakos | ok |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, then how would I get that "in the works" thing to go over to the right |
| 20:42.53 | JeffM2501 | and let me stack up 3 of them? |
| 20:43.16 | mrapple | float : right; |
| 20:44.07 | JeffM2501 | closer, but not quite, let me re-upload |
| 20:44.13 | JeffM2501 | http://store.awesomelaser.com/ |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM2501 | should I float the big image left? |
| 20:45.01 | mrapple | yes |
| 20:45.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's better, thanks |
| 20:45.11 | mrapple | forgot to mention that |
| 20:45.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:45.16 | mrapple | :P |
| 20:45.28 | mrapple | might want to make your menu bar a tad longer |
| 20:45.31 | JeffM2501 | it's all a learning experience for me |
| 20:45.38 | mrapple | would look better all the way to the edge |
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| 20:45.53 | JeffM2501 | I wanted the border |
| 20:46.04 | JeffM2501 | but I can look at tweaks like that later |
| 20:46.14 | JeffM2501 | just trying to get the bassics down now so I can write the php backend |
| 20:46.26 | JeffM2501 | gotta get the sidebar to look better now |
| 20:46.36 | mrapple | side bar? |
| 20:46.43 | JeffM2501 | the in the works part |
| 20:46.49 | JeffM2501 | the gear and stuff is not lined up |
| 20:47.04 | mrapple | that should be simple |
| 20:47.12 | JeffM2501 | for you |
| 20:47.16 | mrapple | want me to throw together a quick example of how it *should* be done? |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM2501 | will I learn anythign from it? |
| 20:48.28 | JeffM2501 | but sure |
| 20:48.41 | mrapple | i think so |
| 20:54.59 | alezakos | Did you find the way to put "In The Works" in the correct position yet? |
| 20:55.07 | JeffM2501 | sorta |
| 20:55.42 | JeffM2501 | re-uploaded |
| 20:55.55 | JeffM2501 | just need to work out getting the image on the right |
| 20:56.31 | alezakos | float right |
| 20:57.11 | JeffM2501 | then how do I get it to move UP? |
| 20:57.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh I have to put the image before the text |
| 20:57.39 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:58.05 | alezakos | and margin it |
| 20:59.42 | mrapple | almost there http://jsfiddle.net/Z2ySw/3/ |
| 21:03.02 | JeffM2501 | I think I got it, re-uploaded |
| 21:04.17 | mrapple | aw -> http://jsfiddle.net/Z2ySw/7/ |
| 21:04.44 | alezakos | heh that was also me |
| 21:06.15 | mrapple | JeffM2501: make sure to give a width/height to the <p> in the boxes so when the text hits the images, it goes to a newline, not hits the image and falls out of the div |
| 21:06.34 | mrapple | also, the shadows are a litle much for me on the background |
| 21:06.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM2501 | shadows? |
| 21:07.16 | mrapple | on the bg_center_repeat.png |
| 21:07.20 | JeffM2501 | the blend between the gray and the white? |
| 21:07.31 | JeffM2501 | ok, I kinda like it, makes it look 3d |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:07.35 | mrapple | yep |
| 21:07.40 | JeffM2501 | but that's minor |
| 21:07.41 | mrapple | its nice, just a little less shadow |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM2501 | so less contrast |
| 21:07.49 | mrapple | oh no minor changes, right -_- |
| 21:08.46 | mrapple | also the little extra white borders on top look unprofessional -> http://s.bzextreme.com/cdhszxrwprs9my5 |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM2501 | I can just take care of that kinda stuff later |
| 21:08.48 | alezakos | that's not 1024x768 compatible |
| 21:09.04 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, I put them there to be like a shine |
| 21:09.22 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess the right one is one pixel too big |
| 21:09.47 | JeffM2501 | alezakos, good for it then :) |
| 21:09.52 | JeffM2501 | widescreen or death |
| 21:10.06 | alezakos | my screen seems too old |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 21:10.31 | JeffM2501 | but thank you, both of you, you have gotten me a lot further |
| 21:10.50 | alezakos | you're welcome ;-) |
| 21:11.03 | mrapple | yep |
| 21:11.16 | mrapple | also, border-radius eventually? |
| 21:11.26 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 21:11.45 | mrapple | also on the menubar, looks like one/two extra pixels on the right |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM2501 | everything has round borders these days |
| 21:12.19 | mrapple | subtle borders go a long way |
| 21:15.22 | mrapple | sublte shadows are also nice. if you have ff3.6 you can check a small example out here -> http://projects.bzextreme.com/overcast/upload |
| 21:15.32 | mrapple | notice how the recent box seems just behind the main box |
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| 21:26.07 | alezakos | btw, why is the bot hidden? |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM2501 | what bot? |
| 21:26.37 | alezakos | infobot |
| 21:26.44 | JeffM2501 | ibot_ |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM2501 | ibot_, hello |
| 21:26.57 | JeffM2501 | awww she's busted |
| 21:26.57 | alezakos | ~hello |
| 21:26.57 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
| 21:27.09 | JeffM2501 | it's just the name it got I guess |
| 21:27.18 | JeffM2501 | it is less then awesome these days |
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| 22:13.16 | astonishal | trepan I am rendered dumb with astonishment and amazement which borders on stupefecation. |
| 22:15.12 | astonishal | ( the phrase is from Jules Verne's "journey to the enter of the earth" ) |
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| 22:18.52 | trepan | astonishal: so the image helped? |
| 22:19.05 | astonishal | certainly |
| 22:19.53 | astonishal | heh i keep trying to scoll the sidebars |
| 22:21.19 | astonishal | one thing im still confused about, you said the drawinfo fix was server side... but the commits look like they are client side? did i miss something there? |
| 22:21.44 | trepan | i've also written a 'bzw2obj' utility (re-uses a lot a bzfs code), which can convert weapons, zones, and options completely |
| 22:22.06 | trepan | (those items get munged going over the wire) |
| 22:22.18 | trepan | the fix was server-side |
| 22:22.22 | trepan | (for drawInfos) |
| 22:22.58 | trepan | if you look very closely, you may notice that the changes are in MeshDrawInfo::serverSetup() |
| 22:23.31 | trepan | (as opposed to MeshDrawInfo::clientSetup() :) |
| 22:23.53 | astonishal | I gotta tell you, im pretty psyched about the wings improvements. ahhh, thanks that cleared it up. |
| 22:24.23 | trepan | should work for any modeller |
| 22:24.30 | astonishal | why do my pentamids look like boxes? |
| 22:24.40 | trepan | on the world plane? |
| 22:25.29 | astonishal | the eight, five-sided pyramids..those things are actually four separate objects |
| 22:25.44 | trepan | but they're grouped |
| 22:25.57 | trepan | the objects on the left side of the image are group definitions |
| 22:26.15 | trepan | most of the boxes on the world plane are group instances |
| 22:26.24 | astonishal | it was quite a trick to allow Oscillators to shoot while inside... allow burrow to shoot in.... and still stop flags from spawning inside |
| 22:26.26 | trepan | a group instance has to have 3 special faces |
| 22:26.46 | trepan | with .XAxis, .YAxis, and .ZAxis materials |
| 22:26.53 | trepan | they help define the transformation |
| 22:27.15 | trepan | if you keep a group template lying around, it's very easy to use |
| 22:27.36 | trepan | (especially when coupled with wings3d's BB feature set) |
| 22:27.36 | astonishal | so exporting the group leaves a false object in it's area |
| 22:27.49 | astonishal | bounding box |
| 22:28.21 | trepan | an object with a <group:define=...> name that have those 3 faces is a group instance |
| 22:28.47 | trepan | (or <gr:df=...>, all objects have 2 letter abbreviations) |
| 22:28.58 | astonishal | I'm in the middle of redesigning most of that map... this will be the fifth major incarnation. |
| 22:29.54 | astonishal | 2 letter abbrev.'s i saw that the other day too |
| 22:30.48 | astonishal | will this be a christmas present? or will i have to wait longer? |
| 22:32.02 | trepan | probably closer to new year, i have real work that i should be doing ;) |
| 22:33.12 | astonishal | this is the best news around here in awhile. |
| 22:33.31 | trepan | tbh, it's probably too complicated for most bz mappers |
| 22:34.02 | trepan | then again, apparently so are modellers ;) |
| 22:34.12 | astonishal | the thing is.... can we get the worldweapons back into bzw? |
| 22:34.38 | trepan | yup, complete bzw format, except for arc/cone/tetra/sphere |
| 22:34.49 | astonishal | totally awesome |
| 22:35.03 | trepan | even includes <comment:my_text_goes_here> => # my text goes here |
| 22:35.23 | trepan | and <null> objects, that are never emitted to the .bzw |
| 22:36.22 | astonishal | theres a trick i sometimes have to use to get wing's "hole" material to work properly in bzw |
| 22:36.29 | trepan | i may also do some magic to get weapons/zone/etc... to group properly |
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| 22:37.26 | trepan | astonishal: new wings3d version don't have a 'hole' material, the faces just aren't there |
| 22:37.42 | astonishal | hmm.. hadnt noticed |
| 22:39.01 | trepan | i prefer having a special material, manifold geometry is one of the reasons i like wings3d |
| 22:39.20 | astonishal | are you communicating with "optigon" or anyone else in the wings community? I'm sure they'd be proud to include it in their distribution. |
| 22:39.25 | astonishal | pretty sure |
| 22:39.39 | trepan | this is not a "wings3d feature" |
| 22:39.46 | astonishal | thats true |
| 22:39.49 | trepan | it's a Wavefront OBJ featuer |
| 22:39.51 | trepan | *feature |
| 22:40.29 | trepan | it obsoletes the wings3d .bzw exporter, in favor of its .obj exporter |
| 22:41.16 | astonishal | I might bump an old thread on their forum. Just to let him know. |
| 22:41.49 | trepan | you might want to wait until i release something :) |
| 22:42.52 | trepan | there are still a few details to work out, ex: drawInfo render types are problematic |
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